| 00:00.48 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 00:00.51 | GeneralAntilles | Poor crashanddie. |
| 00:01.24 | GeneralAntilles | You should shift your schedule around so you're up at 5 every morning and do the same. |
| 00:05.56 | crashanddie | I only have 2x 0.5w speakers on my laptop |
| 00:06.01 | crashanddie | I'm not going to impress anyone |
| 00:07.04 | GeneralAntilles | Get some workboots and stomp around |
| 00:07.40 | crashanddie | Nha |
| 00:08.04 | crashanddie | I want her to think there's something wrong with her sound system |
| 00:08.09 | crashanddie | actually, if I had the time/money |
| 00:09.52 | crashanddie | I'd get a microcontroller, and a microphone, and if there are sub 40hz sounds coming up over a certain threshold (say... 40dB), between 6AM and 10AM, bam, pull the electrics for 10s |
| 00:10.27 | elekt | nice |
| 00:10.32 | elekt | shouldn't be hard to do |
| 00:10.36 | crashanddie | not really |
| 00:10.38 | elekt | or too expensive |
| 00:10.45 | elekt | hm |
| 00:11.08 | crashanddie | that would actually be the best thing ever |
| 00:11.24 | crashanddie | cuz even if say, I'm staying at the gf one night, it would still happen |
| 00:11.28 | elekt | yeah i dunno why i never thought of it |
| 00:11.44 | crashanddie | gives you alibi and everything |
| 00:12.02 | elekt | yeah but you still have to get to the panel |
| 00:12.19 | crashanddie | Is that really a problem? |
| 00:12.21 | crashanddie | It ain't for me |
| 00:12.46 | elekt | you can't leave tracks |
| 00:13.01 | elekt | ok this is a fertile ground tho |
| 00:13.04 | crashanddie | like I said, small radio circuit |
| 00:13.14 | elekt | scrolls up |
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| 00:13.42 | elekt | hm |
| 00:14.01 | elekt | what about getting a bass driver |
| 00:14.19 | elekt | and feeding back the bass |
| 00:14.40 | elekt | stick it to the floor/wall |
| 00:15.07 | elekt | i don't see this clearly but it'd be fun to try |
| 00:15.19 | elekt | they'd be confused |
| 00:15.22 | Pavlov | anyone have a nice Xomap with symbols package floating around? |
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| 00:50.31 | evaryont | What's the recommended Flickr client for n800? |
| 00:50.39 | evaryont | w/ OS2008 |
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| 01:21.18 | ToyKeeper | Hmm, default 'net radio applet doesn't seem to like my mp3 channels. |
| 01:21.26 | ToyKeeper | wonders which app(s) are better. |
| 01:23.21 | ToyKeeper | Mplayer handles it just fine... maybe there's a small GUI to let me select channels. |
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| 01:33.06 | r2s | I got diablo os2008 upgrade and got some problem with keyboard layout... there's no esc,tab,ctrl,alt shown on the screen anymore... what to do?? |
| 01:39.46 | ToyKeeper | r2s: I switched to the matchbox keyboard and made my own layout, because the default keyboard hardcodes the location of the space bar. |
| 01:40.07 | ToyKeeper | http://toykeeper.net/tmp/maemo-fitaly-2.png |
| 01:40.23 | ToyKeeper | It wasn't trivial to get installed / configured, though. |
| 01:40.55 | GAN800 | Matchbox keyboard is gross. |
| 01:41.29 | GAN800 | Why not play with h-i-m? |
| 01:43.49 | ToyKeeper | I might, if I can find a relatively easy way to give it a layout description I like. |
| 01:44.37 | ToyKeeper | I made a fitaly layout for the default keyboard, whatever that's called... and it was unusable. |
| 01:50.48 | evaryont | don't people use flickr w/ their nokia? :) |
| 01:51.35 | r2s | why ESC/TAB/CTRL/ALT not working on normal keyboard operation... but in terminal it was shown |
| 01:51.49 | r2s | how can I change my current keyboard layout? |
| 01:52.07 | r2s | I'm now using the DIablo OS2008 |
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| 02:31.04 | nelson | what does the chat client in Diablo mean when it puts an exclamation mark in the green circle? |
| 02:31.15 | nelson | I tried googling for the answer, but none was forthcoming. |
| 02:32.30 | GAN800 | Tap it and it'll tell you. |
| 02:32.46 | GAN800 | usually one service isn't logged on. |
| 02:35.05 | nelson | aha! I see! okay, thanks, I understand now. So you can call me at 212-202-2318 and it will ring my n810. Neat. |
| 02:35.33 | moontiger | nelson: how does that work? |
| 02:35.35 | nelson | aka FWD#404529 |
| 02:36.13 | nelson | I pay $5/month for a new york city phone number that calls my FWD number, which then rings ... anywhere. |
| 02:36.30 | moontiger | ahhhhhhhhh neat |
| 02:36.36 | moontiger | who do you pay $5 to? |
| 02:38.08 | nelson | Vivox. |
| 02:38.20 | nelson | sorry, it's $6/month. |
| 02:39.53 | moontiger | cool ... and what answers it on the n810? |
| 02:40.01 | nelson | The SIP client. |
| 02:45.14 | moontiger | is that from the rtcomm beta thingy? |
| 02:45.33 | Jaredu|away | yo |
| 02:45.46 | Jaredu|away | moontiger: didnt you ask me something before you left? |
| 02:45.52 | nelson | moontiger: sorry, I don't know. |
| 02:46.09 | moontiger | ummmmm not sure Jaredu ... ive been fighting oracle all day so my brain is a bit fried |
| 02:46.44 | Jaredu|away | ah lol |
| 02:47.06 | Jaredu|away | maybe yesterday w/ amsn + video? |
| 02:47.54 | Jaredu|away | hmm |
| 02:47.56 | Jaredu|away | question guys: |
| 02:48.02 | Jaredu|away | im trying to install more apps now |
| 02:48.07 | Jaredu|away | and its saying not enough memory available |
| 02:48.12 | Jaredu|away | am i limited in how many apps i can have installed? |
| 02:48.28 | Jaredu|away | ive filled the 128mb device memory i think |
| 02:48.34 | Jaredu|away | can i install somewhere else or something? |
| 02:50.12 | moontiger | you can make some virtual memory up to another 128mb |
| 02:50.18 | moontiger | in the ctrl panel -> memory |
| 02:50.38 | Jaredu|away | doesnt that run out the internal card faster though? |
| 02:50.47 | Jaredu|away | from what ive heard its bad >.< |
| 02:50.51 | moontiger | well yes it grabs from there |
| 02:50.59 | moontiger | what are you installing? |
| 02:51.03 | Jaredu|away | well |
| 02:51.09 | Jaredu|away | i like...a ton of apps lol |
| 02:51.20 | Jaredu|away | i got rid of map so i freed up 1.5 gigs |
| 02:51.27 | Jaredu|away | >.< |
| 02:51.28 | moontiger | well maybe be a bit more careful for what you need? |
| 02:51.34 | moontiger | you dont use the gps? |
| 02:51.39 | Jaredu|away | it wont lock signal |
| 02:51.42 | Jaredu|away | i waited 30 mins |
| 02:51.48 | Jaredu|away | :'( |
| 02:52.00 | moontiger | did you install a-gps? |
| 02:52.04 | Jaredu|away | no |
| 02:52.08 | Jaredu|away | i tried under control panel |
| 02:52.11 | moontiger | try that ... it helps a lot |
| 02:52.11 | Jaredu|away | location |
| 02:52.15 | Jaredu|away | hm |
| 02:52.34 | moontiger | a-gps = assisted gps ... it gives the gps a clue where you are to help with the fix times |
| 02:52.43 | Jaredu|away | if i added the extra 128mb |
| 02:52.49 | Jaredu|away | how much faster would it wear out the card |
| 02:52.50 | moontiger | i use an external gps most of the time and get instant fixes |
| 02:52.59 | Jaredu|away | cause i dont wanna have to replace the device for at least a year and a half |
| 02:53.07 | moontiger | its very debatable that it actually wears out the card |
| 02:53.15 | Jaredu|away | ah |
| 02:53.15 | Jaredu|away | well |
| 02:53.17 | Jaredu|away | its nand |
| 02:53.45 | moontiger | i think writing wears out much more |
| 02:53.53 | Jaredu|away | hmm |
| 02:54.02 | Jaredu|away | wouldnt setting it as swap mean lots of writing? |
| 02:54.29 | moontiger | it isnt swap |
| 02:54.33 | moontiger | its virtual memory |
| 02:54.37 | Jaredu|away | what's the diff |
| 02:54.41 | moontiger | it becomes storage memory |
| 02:54.44 | Jaredu|away | ahh |
| 02:54.50 | Jaredu|away | alright thne |
| 02:54.51 | Jaredu|away | then |
| 02:55.01 | moontiger | ive had mine set that way since xmas and had no problems at all |
| 02:55.07 | Jaredu|away | excellent then |
| 02:55.28 | Jaredu|away | if i ever get a scratch on the screen or the internal part of the card goes out can i send it to nokia to have them fix it to factory standards for a fee? |
| 02:55.42 | moontiger | scratches? no |
| 02:55.46 | moontiger | unless u pay |
| 02:55.50 | Jaredu|away | well yeah |
| 02:55.52 | Jaredu|away | i intend to |
| 02:56.01 | Jaredu|away | prob like 50$ or so |
| 02:56.03 | moontiger | prolly cheaper to get a new one by then i would imagine |
| 02:56.07 | Jaredu|away | i rarely get scratches |
| 02:56.13 | Jaredu|away | but the small ones bug the hell out of me :P |
| 02:56.25 | moontiger | yeah ... try to use the sleeve |
| 02:56.38 | Jaredu|away | i have a military grade screen protector on my phone... i can throw it against a wall and it wont get scratched :P |
| 02:56.52 | johnx_ | moontiger, swap = virtual memory |
| 02:57.07 | Jaredu|away | i have the same type of protector on my mylo but it made the touchscreen all rubbery |
| 02:57.17 | Jaredu|away | johnx_: so.... advisable? or no |
| 02:57.35 | johnx_ | there's a way to set up swap on a removable card |
| 02:57.37 | moontiger | johnx ... he was talking about the "extending program memory" thing |
| 02:57.43 | johnx_ | I'd go that route if I were you |
| 02:57.47 | johnx_ | moontiger, and that's swap |
| 02:58.02 | moontiger | swap = virtual memory in a paging file |
| 02:58.04 | moontiger | not the same thing |
| 02:58.17 | johnx_ | moontiger, we're talking about the thing in the control panel, right? |
| 02:58.22 | moontiger | yes |
| 02:58.23 | Jaredu|away | yes |
| 02:58.30 | johnx_ | moontiger, yes, that's swap |
| 02:58.36 | johnx_ | I can prove it if you want |
| 02:58.37 | Jaredu|away | it says its swap in the options |
| 02:58.42 | moontiger | hmmmmmm well u cant run apps from a swap file |
| 02:59.14 | johnx_ | right |
| 02:59.40 | johnx_ | Jaredu|away, before looking for a way to install someplace else, have you cleaned out the example content? |
| 02:59.42 | Jaredu|away | Virtual: "Internal memory card can be used as additional virtual memory for opening more applications" Available: 128mb extend virtual memory [./] Size: 128mb |
| 02:59.51 | moontiger | i thought it extended program memory in a usable way |
| 02:59.56 | Jaredu | example content? no |
| 02:59.58 | johnx_ | there's 10MB worth of PDFs, a demo movie, etc |
| 03:00.02 | Jaredu | ahh |
| 03:00.13 | johnx_ | and some pictures of nature |
| 03:00.20 | moontiger | heh all crap too :) |
| 03:00.21 | johnx_ | just move it to your card if you want to keep it |
| 03:01.57 | Jaredu | how do i move it o.O |
| 03:02.06 | johnx_ | Jaredu, file manager :) |
| 03:02.20 | Jaredu | nvm :D |
| 03:02.22 | Jaredu | found the cut option |
| 03:02.26 | Jaredu | its like using a mac lol |
| 03:02.31 | Jaredu | used to right click >.< |
| 03:02.33 | johnx_ | or drag it |
| 03:02.42 | johnx_ | tap-and-hold to right click |
| 03:03.07 | johnx_ | back in 15 |
| 03:03.36 | Jaredu | grr |
| 03:03.39 | Jaredu | operation failed |
| 03:03.43 | Jaredu | fsck! |
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| 03:22.07 | eeanm | whats a good irc client to use? |
| 03:25.15 | johnx_ | on a tablet? |
| 03:25.26 | johnx_ | well, actually I like xchat on desktop and tablet |
| 03:30.13 | robink | Rawr I want ipv6.ko to autoload again. |
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| 03:55.32 | jaredu_n810 | ello |
| 03:55.46 | jaredu_n810 | back lol |
| 03:55.56 | jaredu_n810 | had to help out uncle |
| 03:56.49 | jaredu_n810 | anyone need any help? |
| 04:05.33 | Proteous | yeah, can you make me a sammich? |
| 04:08.01 | jaredu_n810 | i can |
| 04:08.10 | jaredu_n810 | but i would eated it |
| 04:08.13 | jaredu_n810 | hehheh |
| 04:08.15 | Proteous | heh |
| 04:09.06 | jaredu_n810 | hmm |
| 04:09.18 | jaredu_n810 | im bored and talking on skype |
| 04:09.35 | jaredu_n810 | anyone got gizmo? |
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| 04:10.30 | jaredu_n810 | woo another user |
| 04:11.24 | jaredu_n810 | what to do... |
| 04:11.40 | Mek | is packing my bag to get on a train to berlin in 45 minutes... |
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| 04:14.03 | jaredu_n810 | oo |
| 04:14.05 | jaredu_n810 | fun |
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| 04:40.26 | Jaredu | hmm |
| 04:40.29 | Jaredu | on pc again |
| 04:40.41 | Jaredu | are there any other photoshop-esque programs out there other than mypaint? |
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| 06:27.03 | rm_you| | headed to cbase in a sec |
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| 07:20.46 | X-Fade | Live from c-base... |
| 07:21.05 | blafasel | same. :) |
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| 07:27.24 | Stskeeps | looking forward to the live reporting :P |
| 07:27.47 | rm_you | ok i'm online at cbase keynote |
| 07:28.35 | blafasel | hehe |
| 07:28.35 | rm_you | alright... |
| 07:28.39 | rm_you | who else is on |
| 07:28.57 | blafasel | <- |
| 07:28.58 | zchydem_n800 | I am :) |
| 07:29.16 | jott | me me me |
| 07:29.28 | X-Fade | me |
| 07:29.35 | rm_you | we need to have like everyone who is on IRC do something random :P |
| 07:29.37 | blafasel | Still trying to become sober though |
| 07:29.47 | rm_you | lol blaf |
| 07:29.52 | zchydem_n800 | jott you are here? I need to find you |
| 07:30.02 | blafasel | hehe |
| 07:30.06 | rm_you | yeah he's next to me in the back |
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| 07:30.23 | rm_you | i'm waving slightly |
| 07:30.23 | blafasel | "Sonntagstrasse" was fine yesterday |
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| 07:30.27 | Jaffa | Morning, all from the summit |
| 07:30.30 | jott | yes last row zchydem |
| 07:30.59 | rm_you | alright, starting |
| 07:31.11 | zchydem_n800 | jott, ok I'm on thirrd row |
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| 07:35.05 | rm_you | introducing Ari |
| 07:35.33 | timsamoff | Reminder: More Summit updates on Jaiku via @sjgadsby. |
| 07:36.07 | rm_you | lol, jaiku |
| 07:39.22 | rm_you | ok, done introducing people |
| 07:39.33 | rm_you | maybe soon some content :P |
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| 07:40.49 | rm_you | going over the agenda |
| 07:42.00 | Stskeeps | sjgadsby seems to be a bit hit by allergies to report :P |
| 07:42.14 | rm_you | hah |
| 07:42.20 | rm_you | i mean... aww :( |
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| 07:42.44 | rm_you | so, similar slides so far to his keynote... the maemo circle |
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| 07:43.48 | Jaffa | Same talk of 3 platforms |
| 07:44.18 | blafasel | some are new now.. :) |
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| 07:46.42 | rm_you | talking about stretching the device to support future technologies, not just the technologies of today |
| 07:47.53 | Jaffa | The future and current YouTube, Skype, Facebook etc |
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| 07:49.00 | Italodance | [WinXP UpTime: 3days 20hrs 7mins 40secs] [Idle: 1day 21hrs 35mins 23secs] [Time&Date: 12:18:54 × 19/09/2008] [DCC Gets: 0/0] [DCC Sends: 0/0] [Memory Usage: 257/512MB (50.20%) ] |
| 07:49.06 | Stskeeps | .. |
| 07:49.24 | Stskeeps | hugs the ignore command |
| 07:50.52 | *** join/#maemo tigert (i=tigert@kapsi.fi) |
| 07:50.55 | aquatix | ... mirc? |
| 07:50.56 | tigert | http://flickr.com/photos/tigert/2869156965/ |
| 07:51.06 | aquatix | anyone still using that crap? |
| 07:51.36 | Stskeeps | aquatix: irssi |
| 07:51.52 | aquatix | Stskeeps: yeah, me too |
| 07:51.57 | blafasel | irssi, but hard to use on the itt for me |
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| 07:52.04 | aquatix | but the info from Italodance shows mIRC |
| 07:52.11 | aquatix | blafasel: ah? |
| 07:52.20 | rm_you | xchat is nice on n8x0 imho :P |
| 07:52.21 | aquatix | runs irssi in a screen session on his server |
| 07:52.37 | Stskeeps | rm_you: yeah, some annoyances but i would love something like macirssi :P |
| 07:52.56 | rm_you | and i can use my same settings from desktop so it is very like what i am used to |
| 07:53.01 | blafasel | aquatix: same |
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| 07:53.07 | rm_you | irssi i use too, but not as much... only when my xserver is broken :P |
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| 07:53.26 | aquatix | rm_you: :) |
| 07:53.35 | rm_you | ... which was 6/7 days of the week when i ran gentoo :P |
| 07:53.40 | aquatix | it's convenient for me; irc from everywhere |
| 07:53.41 | blafasel | hehe |
| 07:53.46 | aquatix | rm_you: *g* |
| 07:53.58 | blafasel | -funrollClues |
| 07:54.11 | rm_you | ok, recapping OSiM |
| 07:54.35 | rm_you | HSPA, OMAP3, camera, etc |
| 07:56.24 | rm_you | alright thats it from Ari |
| 07:56.29 | rm_you | mostly recap |
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| 07:58.14 | blafasel | someone hand me a coffee please |
| 07:58.33 | tekojo | coffeee, where?? |
| 07:58.40 | blafasel | :) |
| 07:58.52 | zchydem_n800 | jott can you raise yor hand? or wave it or do some funny movements... |
| 07:58.54 | tekojo | Addicted :-) |
| 07:59.17 | blafasel | please ask him to dance |
| 07:59.37 | blafasel | in front of the projector |
| 07:59.40 | rm_you | lol |
| 07:59.43 | zchydem_n800 | hehe |
| 08:00.50 | rm_you | can someone paste the alt-text from the latest xkcd please? :P |
| 08:01.05 | rm_you | can't get alt-text on tablet AFAICT |
| 08:01.28 | tekojo | mmm coffee |
| 08:01.30 | blafasel | source? |
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| 08:01.45 | tekojo | downstairs |
| 08:01.57 | rm_you | cant view source in the browseri |
| 08:02.04 | rm_you | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:02.13 | jaska | Staple guns: because duct tape can't make that 'kaCHUNK' noise. |
| 08:02.31 | jaska | for xkcd 478 |
| 08:03.24 | rm_you | yeah thanks :P |
| 08:03.45 | jaska | actually my browser didnt want to copypaste it so i had to actually type it (gasp) |
| 08:03.52 | rm_you | lol |
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| 08:05.17 | jonek | hi, everybody listening to this tree-talk |
| 08:05.35 | rm_you | hi :P treeees |
| 08:06.19 | rm_you | wait are you sitting two seats to my left? :) |
| 08:06.33 | rm_you | lol |
| 08:06.36 | tekojo | good reference |
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| 08:06.45 | jonek | ;-) |
| 08:07.11 | jsmanrique | hi! |
| 08:07.12 | rm_you | hrm ok so we can tell who is here by cbase hostmask |
| 08:07.22 | jsmanrique | already at maemo summit |
| 08:07.24 | rm_you | is there a way to list users by hostmask regex? |
| 08:07.27 | Stskeeps | i'm wondering when freenode starts thinking you're all clones and akill you ;> |
| 08:07.31 | aquatix | jaska: heh, just read it :) |
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| 08:08.47 | jsmanrique | who is responsible of ligthing talks slides managment |
| 08:08.50 | jsmanrique | ? |
| 08:09.05 | rm_you | when are the lightning talks? |
| 08:09.10 | rm_you | what else is going on now?a |
| 08:09.40 | Jaffa | is IRCing through his colo boox |
| 08:09.46 | tekojo | rm_you: it's all linear until the afternoon |
| 08:09.56 | rm_you | k |
| 08:10.15 | rm_you | i can't access my vpn from n800 :( |
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| 08:13.02 | tekojo | jsmanrique: ask someone with a new white t-shirt |
| 08:13.58 | jsmanrique | tekojo: I thought it was a red t-shirt |
| 08:14.01 | jsmanrique | ok |
| 08:14.57 | Jaffa | Brontide is at the front |
| 08:15.13 | Jaffa | Ask him. Ask me if you don't know him |
| 08:15.34 | blafasel | did anyone else wake up when he said booze? |
| 08:16.50 | rm_you | lol |
| 08:17.28 | jsmanrique | ok, thanks |
| 08:18.25 | jsmanrique | I think that lighting talks should be near the front on time |
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| 08:22.19 | tigert | the network is not too bad here |
| 08:23.11 | blafasel | yep |
| 08:23.26 | Jaffa | Better than OSiM |
| 08:23.42 | Jaffa | Although they had aircon |
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| 08:24.12 | tigert | aircon exists just outside the door :) |
| 08:25.13 | Jaffa | In the big blue room? |
| 08:25.41 | Jaffa | About to start on "Maemo UI vision" - I have high hopes... |
| 08:25.44 | tigert | I think someone painted it gray |
| 08:25.51 | tigert | heh |
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| 08:28.18 | rm_you | meh, downloading fennec at like... BYTES per second... >P< |
| 08:28.20 | rm_you | >_< |
| 08:28.33 | rm_you | ah, gary is behind me now tho :P |
| 08:28.34 | blafasel | ac is irrelevant, I need mor oxygen |
| 08:28.52 | blafasel | where ar you? |
| 08:28.54 | rm_you | you need more alcohol |
| 08:28.59 | rm_you | LAST row |
| 08:29.01 | blafasel | that too |
| 08:29.20 | rm_you | sitting right next to the nokia hr woman :P |
| 08:29.27 | blafasel | and can you actually hear something? |
| 08:29.31 | rm_you | yep |
| 08:29.49 | rm_you | where are you |
| 08:29.56 | rm_you | wow, this slide AGAIN |
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| 08:31.30 | blafasel | I'm sitting only 3-4 rows in front of you |
| 08:31.58 | jott | hey woglinde not at the summit? |
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| 08:32.39 | woglinde | he jott I will come later |
| 08:32.52 | woglinde | I have to work |
| 08:33.00 | jott | ah ok. |
| 08:33.07 | woglinde | and if all gone bad I will have a meeting in the afternoon ;( |
| 08:34.14 | aquatix | awww |
| 08:34.37 | zchydem_n800 | taplax, are you around? |
| 08:34.38 | aquatix | would've liked to attend too |
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| 08:35.25 | jott | talking about "big wow in ui"-vision |
| 08:35.38 | taplax | zchydem_n800: o/ |
| 08:36.07 | taplax | zchydem_n800: your nose is it the web :) http://tabletblog.com/2008/09/live-from-first-maemo-summit.html |
| 08:36.19 | jonek | what is that hardware on that slide? |
| 08:36.20 | jott | what device is this on the slide? |
| 08:36.29 | zchydem_n800 | how's life at the office? |
| 08:36.43 | rm_you | anyone close enough to read branding? |
| 08:36.49 | rm_you | looks like some text in the top right corner? |
| 08:37.22 | blafasel | too late |
| 08:37.28 | tigert | its not a device |
| 08:37.29 | jott | took pictures? :9 |
| 08:37.32 | tigert | just mockup |
| 08:37.38 | Jaffa | Scrapping the normal desktop size Gtk menus |
| 08:37.39 | jott | mmh |
| 08:37.42 | jonek | are the slides available anywhere for download? |
| 08:37.46 | suihkulokki | would ask from UI people if they are going to get rid of transistient popup windows like iphone mostly has :P |
| 08:37.50 | taplax | zchydem_n800: fun, of cource |
| 08:38.08 | Jaffa | Looked good: moving away from desktop metaphors |
| 08:38.08 | zchydem_n800 | taplax, yes its my nose:) |
| 08:38.17 | woglinde | jott hm I will try fix qtnx/nxagent keyboard problem the following |
| 08:38.19 | woglinde | way |
| 08:38.27 | jonek | Jaffa: exactly |
| 08:38.43 | Stskeeps | Star Trek Tablets? :P |
| 08:38.53 | jonek | does anybody know DeepaMehta? that is a innovative UI metaphor! |
| 08:39.17 | woglinde | I will write a little gtl apps which sends the keys from an input field via fakeinputkey to window which you can select |
| 08:39.26 | jonek | http://www.deepamehta.de |
| 08:39.34 | aquatix | jonek: interesting |
| 08:39.57 | thux | hi, in my n800 maemo-mapper seems to hang when try gps. got external gps bt-308 device, which works with nokia phones, does n800 support it? |
| 08:40.33 | rm_you | rofl |
| 08:41.00 | rm_you | making devices for people who don't use the devices but want them so they can look cool? is that a real target demographic? >_< |
| 08:41.39 | jott | woglinde: sounds like an ugly hack that might even work ;) |
| 08:42.12 | rm_you | wow, only 1/3 of the users of NITs are end users and not developers? <_< |
| 08:42.25 | aquatix | rm_you: that's like how people use their spiffy cellphones most of the time |
| 08:42.27 | aquatix | or laptops |
| 08:42.29 | jonek | rm_you: hehe |
| 08:42.29 | pyhimys | Arr ye scurvy landlubbers! |
| 08:42.41 | rm_you | that's an interesting skew |
| 08:42.43 | pyhimys | And morning to all |
| 08:42.43 | jonek | I wonder what Nokia concludes from that facts |
| 08:42.43 | blafasel | what did you expect? |
| 08:42.45 | woglinde | jott args xtest can only send to display not windows |
| 08:44.39 | jonek | for me it seems obvious that they should take a mediator role or somethng like that: talke good ideas and code from community and put it together with their internal resources on usability etc. |
| 08:45.03 | jonek | ... just thinking |
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| 08:46.34 | blafasel | so thats the explanation. My brain booted in less than 30ms today, which hurted. I won't blame the czech beer |
| 08:48.34 | tigert | heh |
| 08:48.37 | blafasel | Excuse me, maybe I'm too slow to follow, but did he give some real details apart from the demographic stuff? Seems to be a little light on content? |
| 08:49.00 | tigert | its hard to talk about what you yet cannot talk about |
| 08:49.01 | blafasel | Very - general. |
| 08:49.01 | Jaffa | Mockups |
| 08:49.54 | blafasel | tigert: Good point, but the introduction was promoting transparent development, imo |
| 08:49.56 | Jaffa | Will be interesting to see how UI delivered matches designers' ideas |
| 08:50.19 | tigert | blafasel: yea, i know. |
| 08:51.16 | tigert | haha |
| 08:51.34 | rm_you | wow i totally missed that multitouch reference |
| 08:51.40 | tigert | ;) |
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| 08:51.44 | woglinde | re |
| 08:51.50 | tigert | that was a good one =) |
| 08:52.48 | jonek | most important audio signal for me would be to be notified about loss of GPS fix!! |
| 08:53.01 | blafasel | hehehe |
| 08:53.06 | jonek | when recording tracks |
| 08:53.11 | blafasel | That was a good one |
| 08:53.17 | Jaffa | saw it, but wondered if it was intended |
| 08:53.33 | blafasel | say it. I want a sound after a fix. |
| 08:53.43 | rm_you | i should someday just draw some words on my map with the gps :P |
| 08:53.45 | blafasel | and remember the 30ms rule... |
| 08:53.47 | rm_you | just run around a field |
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| 08:55.57 | blafasel | long introduction, short and precise answer Â:) |
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| 09:24.50 | Stskeeps | heh, did entire c-base just get knocked offline? |
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| 09:25.53 | tigert | no |
| 09:26.05 | tigert | i think wlan ran out of ip's |
| 09:26.15 | taplax | :) |
| 09:26.24 | tigert | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:26.54 | woglinde | howmay people are there now? |
| 09:26.57 | woglinde | many |
| 09:28.01 | taplax | 216? :) http://maemo.org/news/events/maemo_summit-001/ |
| 09:28.04 | t_s_o | that image toughtfix have on the blog is interesting. i see a lot of N810's... |
| 09:28.07 | RST38h | boo all |
| 09:28.30 | rm_you | ah inet is back |
| 09:28.49 | woglinde | taplax not all who registered there will be were and there will be some people which didnt register |
| 09:29.11 | tigert | i put stuff on the maemo flickr pool too |
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| 09:30.08 | Stskeeps | wb c-base people |
| 09:30.09 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:30.12 | Jaffa | has a connection back |
| 09:30.54 | Jaffa | This talk of email reminds me to check for a quoted-printable qjoting reply bug in bugzilla |
| 09:32.36 | tigert | :) |
| 09:32.50 | tigert | there is one thing i always am annoyed wih |
| 09:32.53 | tigert | with |
| 09:33.21 | tigert | the assumption that a tablet user is sitting on a desk and has a laptop next to the tablet ;) |
| 09:33.51 | rm_you | admittedly the cube thing is an interesting idea, but is this the time and place? |
| 09:34.44 | X-Fade | yes. I went on holiday for 4 weeks and my n810 was my only device. Then you learn... |
| 09:36.48 | Jaffa | :) |
| 09:37.02 | rm_you | so. new stuff? |
| 09:37.20 | jott | lets see |
| 09:37.21 | tigert | X-Fade: yes |
| 09:37.35 | tigert | X-Fade: or how to use it during commutes |
| 09:37.37 | tigert | etc |
| 09:39.13 | t_s_o | it could be that toughtfix's summary of reggie's talk leaves out some details, but i cant say i agree with most of the "what users want" points... |
| 09:39.22 | t_s_o | but then i find canola a horrorstory, so... |
| 09:39.22 | X-Fade | sitting in a bumpy bus and try to click on a link...fun |
| 09:39.30 | tat3 | thinks users in general want _different things_ |
| 09:39.40 | t_s_o | tat3: you may well be right there |
| 09:39.48 | t_s_o | X-Fade: it have been done ;) |
| 09:41.16 | sp3000 | X-Fade: I manage to do that fine these days |
| 09:41.43 | taplax | X-Fade: try mahjong ;) |
| 09:42.17 | sp3000 | it, uh, takes practice to hold the thing and tap precisely with only one hand so you don't get the bump desync from two arms |
| 09:42.27 | woglinde | nokia had put sudoko as default game on |
| 09:42.29 | tigert | the world would be much better if everyone just spoke for themselves ;) |
| 09:42.38 | t_s_o | "bump desync"? |
| 09:42.54 | rm_you | finally |
| 09:42.58 | jott | clutter will come |
| 09:42.59 | rm_you | graphics acceleration :P |
| 09:43.09 | rm_you | clutter is neat :P |
| 09:43.26 | Jaffa | As he says, Ari had said that already ;-) |
| 09:43.26 | X-Fade | opengl es2.0 |
| 09:43.28 | jott | there goes the backward compatibility ;L |
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| 09:43.46 | rm_you | yeah ari hinted |
| 09:43.52 | sp3000 | t_s_o: hey, it's the best I could do for how both hands don't bump in exactly the same way due to a bumpy bus |
| 09:43.53 | rm_you | just glad they're finally defining it |
| 09:44.01 | Jaffa | indeed |
| 09:44.11 | mgedmin810 | yay hardware accelerated 3d in freemantle |
| 09:44.29 | t_s_o | sp3000: ah, ok. thats why i put the tablet on my leg when those kinds of issues show up ;) |
| 09:44.49 | jott | now how clutter performs on n8xp ;) |
| 09:44.50 | mgedmin810 | clutter as the ui library in the sdk |
| 09:45.00 | Jaffa | has a problem with "assuming nothing less than always online". That means people don't have to think about caching when in a dead spot, or bandwidth usage etc |
| 09:45.12 | mgedmin810 | or cost |
| 09:45.16 | Stskeeps | i'm with jaffa on that one |
| 09:45.18 | rm_you | yeah |
| 09:45.18 | t_s_o | carriers will love that one |
| 09:45.25 | rm_you | exactly why i asked about that at the dev session |
| 09:45.27 | Jaffa | mgedmin810: s/as the/in the/ |
| 09:45.37 | Stskeeps | iphone is getting hurt -so- badly by bad 3g in .dk |
| 09:45.54 | rm_you | they assured me everything would always still work without network service available... but the mindset they're promoting isn't probably the best... |
| 09:45.54 | jott | gecko based widgets |
| 09:46.06 | Jaffa | indeed |
| 09:46.07 | Stskeeps | jott: that smells like cpu nightmare |
| 09:46.54 | Jaffa | Higher level stuff can have the libs handle battery DBUS signals etc |
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| 09:54.32 | mgedmin810 | I like the focus on user experience |
| 09:54.56 | jott | next special round for high profile apps includes developers getting beta devices |
| 09:55.13 | mgedmin810 | the switch from palmos to maemo was a definite step down in the experience department |
| 09:55.28 | mgedmin810 | more features, though |
| 09:56.07 | mgedmin810 | alpha of next maemo sdk: november |
| 09:56.09 | jott | November alpha sdk |
| 09:56.21 | mgedmin810 | beta: next march/may |
| 09:56.29 | Stskeeps | i wonder if that includes source packages of xorg and such |
| 09:56.29 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:56.40 | Stskeeps | (do ask!) |
| 09:57.40 | jott | proper qt4 release also march-may |
| 09:57.54 | mgedmin810 | (schedule is preliminary) |
| 09:58.47 | mgedmin810 | quality will be sacrificed to get the sdk out asap |
| 09:59.12 | mgedmin810 | "please forgive us if it isn't all beautiful" |
| 09:59.27 | jott | release early and often :) |
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| 09:59.35 | rm_you | exactly |
| 10:00.14 | woglinde | waahaha why this xkdb hacker dont give us the source code |
| 10:00.46 | rm_you | is it not GPL? |
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| 10:01.05 | woglinde | could be MIT |
| 10:01.05 | mgedmin810 | skims irclog |
| 10:01.13 | solmumaha | hmm, now i need to learn to program |
| 10:01.31 | zap | that's awful |
| 10:01.41 | mgedmin810 | thux: bt-308 works fine with the n800 |
| 10:02.28 | rm_you | is timeless here yet? >_> |
| 10:03.30 | timeless | yes |
| 10:03.35 | timeless | i'm in the front |
| 10:03.43 | timeless | i was busy trying to figure out what's up w/ my scripts |
| 10:03.56 | timeless | it turns out that the component i was looking into isn't currently being shipped for fremantle |
| 10:04.05 | timeless | which would explain why it wasn't handled |
| 10:04.14 | timeless | same appears to apply to all of the ones i'm missing |
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| 10:15.33 | t_s_o | mgedmin810: i cant really compare palmos to maemo, but i cant really say i find much problems with the maemo "experience"... |
| 10:16.11 | t_s_o | not that i think a ui should be a experience, imo it should only be there to allow me to access the function i want to use at the moment... |
| 10:17.29 | mgedmin810 | right |
| 10:17.46 | mgedmin810 | and not crash all the time and be laggy |
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| 10:18.20 | mgedmin810 | I'm grumpy because the browser crashed once today |
| 10:18.59 | t_s_o | the only time i see laggy interface is when the cpu is topped out doing something else |
| 10:19.12 | mgedmin810 | and then the whole tablet rebooted |
| 10:19.22 | mgedmin810 | for no apparent reason |
| 10:19.24 | t_s_o | not seen that much since diablo |
| 10:19.36 | mgedmin810 | ram wasn't full, cpu wasn't busy |
| 10:20.34 | t_s_o | cant recall that. only time i have seen a similar reboot was when cpu was hogged for a extended time and lifebelt (or whatever its called) kicked in... |
| 10:21.18 | t_s_o | and since diablo, even thats been rare |
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| 10:22.49 | crashanddie | t_s_o, watchdog? |
| 10:23.09 | t_s_o | crashanddie: thanks |
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| 10:41.05 | jonek | I am interested in meeting anybody interested in Java on tablets here @ maemo summit ... feel free to contact me |
| 10:41.55 | timeless | frowns |
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| 10:43.54 | Jaffa | jonek: cool, will do |
| 10:44.30 | Jaffa | thinks Java could be one of the best languages to develop apps with |
| 10:45.01 | rm_you| | i lost my connection, didn't i >_> |
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| 10:45.41 | t_s_o | hmm, rm_you still responds to pings... |
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| 10:54.43 | tekojo | c-base is crazy and impressive! |
| 10:54.54 | tigert | it is |
| 10:54.55 | tekojo | get a tour if you can from one of the members! |
| 10:54.58 | tigert | neat |
| 10:55.06 | tigert | should do that |
| 10:55.48 | Jaffa | realises his plan of showing mediaserv off the tablet may be a little hindered with his broken microb |
| 10:56.38 | Jaffa | will blame timeless ;-) |
| 10:58.30 | murrayc | Is anyone near Rodrigo Novo? |
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| 10:59.18 | _berto_ | murrayc: he was at the c-base bar |
| 10:59.21 | Stskeeps | Khertan_n810: how's germany? |
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| 10:59.36 | jonek | tekojo: whom did you ask for a tour? |
| 11:00.04 | Khertan_n810 | Hi ! |
| 11:00.16 | crashanddie | Khertan_n810, alors? :D |
| 11:00.30 | Khertan_n810 | Stskeep : :like the last time i come :) |
| 11:00.36 | tigert | wow |
| 11:00.47 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 11:00.52 | tigert | indt portet edje to qt and c++ |
| 11:00.57 | _berto_ | murrayc: he's at the ltalk room now |
| 11:01.04 | tigert | etrunko presenting |
| 11:01.11 | Khertan_n810 | crashanddie: mon anglais est vraiment moisi |
| 11:01.17 | murrayc | _berto_: Front? Back? Left? Right? |
| 11:01.23 | crashanddie | Khertan_n810, hahaha :D |
| 11:01.35 | Khertan_n810 | no problem to hear ... but a few understand me :) |
| 11:01.41 | _berto_ | back, next to the door |
| 11:01.48 | crashanddie | Khertan_n810, ca viendra, tkt |
| 11:02.09 | murrayc | _berto_: Thanks. I'll try to grab him soon. |
| 11:02.41 | _berto_ | yr welcome |
| 11:02.45 | crashanddie | Khertan_n810, au moins tu fais deja l'effort, et tu essayes de parler une autre langue... T'es deja au dessus de 9/10 des autres francais |
| 11:03.21 | Khertan_n810 | ouaip |
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| 11:04.08 | GeneralAntilles | tekojo1, just, fyi, there's no such thing as an "N770". :P |
| 11:04.38 | tekojo1 | Sorry I tend to forget :-) |
| 11:04.53 | tekojo1 | thanks for the note, need to go and update |
| 11:05.06 | Stskeeps | http://pastebin.com/m385f8626 <- 770 booting Deblet (not quite at framebuffer console yet.) |
| 11:05.20 | Stskeeps | (thanks to aladds) |
| 11:05.40 | timeless | bug jar! |
| 11:05.49 | aladds | i have a picture of the last messages of the loader too |
| 11:05.55 | GeneralAntilles | March/May sounds like a long time to wait. |
| 11:05.58 | aladds | nothing interesting though |
| 11:06.39 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: aye; Nov will be interesting, but I get the impression it'll be fairly bare |
| 11:06.46 | timeless | :( |
| 11:06.52 | GeneralAntilles | I may HAVE to get an Pandora as a stop-gap. |
| 11:07.12 | Stskeeps | or make your beagle portable? :P |
| 11:07.18 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 11:07.21 | woglinde | hehe |
| 11:07.27 | Stskeeps | (i saw power supply for it.. with batteries) |
| 11:07.29 | RST38h | Cthulhu heard me and made Nokia obey! |
| 11:07.34 | jott | GeneralAntilles: may is beta so final might even be a few cycles later... |
| 11:07.38 | woglinde | stskeeps sure |
| 11:07.39 | GeneralAntilles | It's already eco-friendly: http://flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/2835929160/ |
| 11:07.39 | RST38h | They are releasing a replacement for E70! |
| 11:07.54 | GeneralAntilles | Just slap a 7" touchscreen on the top |
| 11:07.56 | GeneralAntilles | Good to go! |
| 11:08.07 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i've had a cardboard box media center |
| 11:08.10 | Stskeeps | as well :> |
| 11:08.15 | woglinde | stskeeps original they are assemblied for cellphones |
| 11:08.28 | RST38h | General: Is it pizza powered? |
| 11:08.49 | GeneralAntilles | Mr. Fussion |
| 11:08.49 | Stskeeps | heh, could be fun, pizza box tablet ;) |
| 11:09.10 | GeneralAntilles | That's a box from an external Firewire enclosure kit. |
| 11:09.14 | GeneralAntilles | (I think) |
| 11:09.19 | tigert | marlboro box device :) |
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| 11:13.21 | mgedmin810 | sudden projector troubles |
| 11:13.43 | suihkulokki | trouble putting magic smoke back into projector? |
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| 11:14.51 | timeless | yes |
| 11:15.23 | mgedmin810 | yawns and thinks getting up at 5 am might have been a mistake |
| 11:16.45 | blafasel | anyone able to lend me a charger during lunch? this usb power pack doesn't work.. |
| 11:17.56 | jonek | hehe - i need a charger too! |
| 11:18.42 | jonek | we should attach to c-base's berillium core ;-) |
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| 11:18.57 | blafasel | hmpf. Mine's at the hotel.. Might as well try to get it during break |
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| 11:22.15 | sp3000 | so I take it having a summit on talk like a pirate day hasn't turned inconvenient yet |
| 11:22.17 | rm_you| | timeless: you here? |
| 11:22.19 | rm_you| | timeless: looks like canvas tags work on both old and new browser, BTW >_> |
| 11:22.23 | rm_you| | Jaffa: if you need to borrow my tablet for the demo, it works very well with mplayer/dbus-laucher |
| 11:22.27 | rm_you| | jonek: i am also interested in Java on tablet :P will have to find you later |
| 11:22.31 | rm_you| | I see the wifi driver on garage, but still not seeing dsme code >_> |
| 11:22.35 | rm_you| | or even a project for me |
| 11:22.37 | rm_you| | *for it |
| 11:23.04 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, rm_you|, I can't find DSME either. |
| 11:23.07 | tigert | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:23.15 | rm_you| | timeless: you here? |
| 11:23.17 | rm_you| | timeless: looks like canvas tags work on both old and new browser, BTW >_> |
| 11:23.21 | rm_you| | Jaffa: if you need to borrow my tablet for the demo, it works very well with mplayer/dbus-laucher |
| 11:23.23 | rm_you| | jonek: i am also interested in Java on tablet :P will have to find you later |
| 11:23.39 | sp3000 | tigert: aye! |
| 11:23.46 | GeneralAntilles | What a spammer. |
| 11:23.50 | rm_you| | lol |
| 11:24.04 | rm_you| | i checked the mg.poc.lt logs and it didn't look like any of my messages went through <_< |
| 11:24.34 | rm_you| | *sigh* |
| 11:24.43 | tigert | sp3000: oh no |
| 11:25.07 | rm_you| | oh right, i remember now |
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| 11:25.43 | rm_you| | yarr matey? :P |
| 11:25.46 | Jaffa | rm_you|: am going to reflash at the hotel tonight, I think |
| 11:26.04 | jonek | everybody intersted in java@tablets: we should set up a meeting point and time with Sebastian Mancke. he is into jalimo very much and also here @c-base |
| 11:26.44 | rm_you| | Jaffa, alright, i'll be here if that fails :P |
| 11:26.47 | mgedmin810 | rm_you the irc logs lag by 5 mins |
| 11:26.48 | blafasel | count me in, I guess |
| 11:26.50 | Jaffa | ta |
| 11:27.03 | Jaffa | ditto - would be good |
| 11:27.05 | mgedmin810 | a cron script generates the html every 5 mins |
| 11:27.10 | rm_you| | mgedmin810, right, but i saw the messages both before and after mine, and mine werent in the middle |
| 11:27.23 | mgedmin810 | 'cuz I'm too lazy to set up a cgi or a web server |
| 11:27.42 | mgedmin810 | heh |
| 11:27.52 | rm_you| | they probably got delayed until my connection was re-established, which i didn't think would actually happen |
| 11:28.46 | mgedmin810 | a guy is trying to do animations through a sis vga usb dongle |
| 11:28.47 | mgedmin810 | at 0.5 fps |
| 11:28.47 | rm_you| | lol |
| 11:28.47 | rm_you| | qole |
| 11:28.47 | rm_you| | where are you, mg? |
| 11:28.47 | mgedmin810 | right in front |
| 11:28.58 | rm_you| | ah. |
| 11:29.09 | Jaffa | Oh FFS1 Stupid tablets-dev won't work in links due to its broken cookie etc |
| 11:29.19 | rm_you| | heh |
| 11:29.21 | rm_you| | try w3m? |
| 11:29.24 | rm_you| | on links2 |
| 11:29.30 | rm_you| | *or |
| 11:29.35 | tigert | wow |
| 11:29.39 | Jaffa | That was links2 |
| 11:29.40 | tigert | that was impressive |
| 11:29.42 | rm_you| | ah. |
| 11:29.47 | rm_you| | tigert, you here too? |
| 11:29.53 | tigert | to do a presentation wit openoffice impress |
| 11:29.58 | rm_you| | yeah, Impress is Impressive :P |
| 11:30.00 | tigert | in the tablet =) |
| 11:30.06 | tigert | rm_you|: yeah |
| 11:30.07 | blafasel | still hoping for gary |
| 11:30.11 | rm_you| | we were playing with Gimp yesterday at OSiM in his chroot |
| 11:30.13 | Jaffa | fennec's form entry doesn't work so reflashing may be screwed as an idea |
| 11:30.24 | rm_you| | fennec was pissing me off earlier today |
| 11:30.51 | rm_you| | i tried the newest version, at least it doesnt crash, but it's laggy as all hell and using multiple tabs breaks the input |
| 11:32.06 | tigert | rm_you|: its pretty impressive, the small touchscreen is the hardest thing |
| 11:32.18 | mgedmin810 | "people on itT disagree with everything" |
| 11:33.20 | sp3000 | I bet they'd disagree with that |
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| 11:33.50 | tigert | haha |
| 11:33.54 | tigert | poor dude =) |
| 11:35.27 | rm_you| | GeneralAntilles gets a menton |
| 11:35.31 | rm_you| | *mention |
| 11:35.44 | GeneralAntilles | What are we doing? |
| 11:35.44 | rm_you| | anyone know a decent battery monitor that'd be in debian-sid repos? |
| 11:35.53 | rm_you| | BugJar lightning talk |
| 11:35.59 | rm_you| | moving on to another now |
| 11:36.03 | Stskeeps | rm_you|: depends if you get it from HAL or not |
| 11:36.06 | rm_you| | very lightninglike :P |
| 11:36.09 | tigert | cat /proc/apm-something? :) |
| 11:36.18 | blafasel | waiting for gary to present |
| 11:36.25 | rm_you| | Stskeeps, dunno, i'm running a fairly empty debootstrap on usb on my laptop >_> |
| 11:36.28 | rm_you| | just set it up yesterday |
| 11:37.07 | Stskeeps | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:37.21 | rm_you| | cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1/state |
| 11:37.21 | rm_you| | present: yes |
| 11:37.21 | rm_you| | capacity state: ok |
| 11:37.21 | rm_you| | charging state: discharging |
| 11:37.21 | rm_you| | present rate: 15372 mW |
| 11:37.21 | rm_you| | remaining capacity: 1353 mWh |
| 11:37.23 | rm_you| | present voltage: 11370 mV |
| 11:37.35 | rm_you| | so.... hrm. that number looks smallish? |
| 11:37.46 | rm_you| | i should probably shut down >_< |
| 11:38.59 | t_s_o | 1,1V if im reading it right |
| 11:39.29 | rm_you| | GAH |
| 11:39.31 | blafasel | hm? mWh = V? |
| 11:39.34 | rm_you| | yeah yapci says remaining 5 minutes |
| 11:39.35 | rm_you| | lol |
| 11:39.40 | rm_you| | i gotta shut down :P |
| 11:39.44 | rm_you| | switching to n800 |
| 11:39.45 | blafasel | hehe |
| 11:39.56 | sp3000 | no, x*J !== V |
| 11:40.26 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, still need the FIASCO image? |
| 11:40.32 | t_s_o | as in, amp times volt makes watt or something like that... |
| 11:40.44 | blafasel | leaving as well, need to charge |
| 11:43.59 | crashanddie | t_s_o, that's actually 11.3V |
| 11:44.10 | crashanddie | and mWh is "milli watts per hour" |
| 11:44.11 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: please |
| 11:44.19 | t_s_o | bah, my points are rusty ;) |
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| 11:45.21 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I think my server at home is going into drive failure, but give me a couple minutes. |
| 11:45.32 | tigert | it feels pretty crazy to install ubuntu inside vmware fusion |
| 11:45.36 | Khertan_n810 | FOOOOOOOD !!!! |
| 11:45.44 | tigert | the installer runs and then you popup terminal and type on irc.. |
| 11:45.48 | tigert | but now food yeah |
| 11:45.51 | tigert | -> & |
| 11:46.21 | t_s_o | this channel is starting to remind me of my lanparty days ;) |
| 11:46.32 | crashanddie | sadly, it does |
| 11:46.49 | t_s_o | feeling old, crashanddie? |
| 11:47.15 | tigert | :) |
| 11:47.16 | crashanddie | my lanparty days... That was 8 years ago when I started that |
| 11:47.32 | crashanddie | wait |
| 11:47.33 | crashanddie | no |
| 11:47.37 | tigert | its over 10 years of gnome for me |
| 11:47.37 | crashanddie | 10 years ago |
| 11:47.58 | tigert | crashanddie: the "oh wait no" is the scary part |
| 11:48.15 | crashanddie | tigert, diaf |
| 11:48.15 | timeless | frowns |
| 11:48.17 | tigert | you realize its 2 years since you last counted ;) |
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| 11:53.05 | Stskeeps | dreamweaver work drags the soul out of you, kicking and screaming. |
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| 11:55.45 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, yeah, I think it's dead. |
| 11:55.50 | GeneralAntilles | Uploading to somewhere else from here. |
| 11:55.53 | GeneralAntilles | ETA 25 minutes |
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| 11:58.02 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: cool, ta |
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| 12:11.18 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, URL coming in pm. |
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| 12:33.10 | rm_you| | timeless: YOU HERE? |
| 12:33.15 | rm_you| | gah caps |
| 12:34.20 | rm_you| | ls /maemosummit/people/ |
| 12:37.08 | tigert | havent seen timeless around |
| 12:37.14 | tigert | but I could be wrong too |
| 12:37.35 | tigert | someone should put the channel to show in the beamer as well |
| 12:37.53 | tigert | so that the schedule is on top of the screen and a nice scrolling view of #maemo would be on the bottom :) |
| 12:37.56 | tigert | in the staircase |
| 12:38.35 | tekojo | timeless is here somewhere |
| 12:41.46 | RST38h | Heh. Live tigert. |
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| 12:44.49 | Blafasel | yay, charging |
| 12:45.49 | tigert | RST38h: nobody recognizes me thanks to the disguise anti-beard! :) |
| 12:50.05 | Blafasel | okay, who's already having a beer at the bar? :) |
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| 12:51.27 | rm_you|wtf | grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 12:51.32 | rm_you|wtf | unreliable inet FTL |
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| 12:52.28 | Blafasel | screen ftw |
| 12:52.33 | aquatix | Blafasel: :) |
| 12:52.50 | rm_you | xchat <_< |
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| 12:53.00 | rm_you | Blafasel: where are you? |
| 12:53.02 | aquatix | rm_you: time to consider irssi? ;) |
| 12:53.14 | rm_you | if i had somewhere to ssh to that had irssi |
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| 12:53.35 | rm_you | my server is behind a firewall, and can get to it via VPN but the VPN software i need doesnt run on maemo |
| 12:53.38 | Blafasel | i'm in the room with the bar, obviously |
| 12:53.41 | rm_you | same |
| 12:53.45 | rm_you | where tho, lol |
| 12:54.05 | Blafasel | nokia table. in front of ari |
| 12:54.09 | aquatix | rm_you: you can rent a shell on my server? :) |
| 12:54.16 | rm_you | lol |
| 12:54.18 | Blafasel | worst dress code: me |
| 12:54.23 | Blafasel | :) |
| 12:54.34 | rm_you | lol |
| 12:54.42 | aquatix | Blafasel: running around in a kilt? |
| 12:54.54 | aquatix | :) |
| 12:55.04 | Blafasel | aquatix: erm.. |
| 12:55.10 | rm_you | i'm sitting next to jott |
| 12:55.11 | Blafasel | not today |
| 12:55.13 | rm_you | well, he's standing |
| 12:55.25 | aquatix | actually, kilts might be fun even :/ |
| 12:55.39 | rm_you | i would totally wear one if I could afford one |
| 12:55.39 | treestone | You guys at the summit -- what are you irc'ing from? Laptops? Tablets? |
| 12:55.40 | Blafasel | no fine idea |
| 12:55.51 | Blafasel | are we talking about the same bar? |
| 12:55.51 | rm_you | N800 |
| 12:55.56 | Blafasel | tablet |
| 12:56.02 | treestone | Cool |
| 12:56.03 | Blafasel | c-base bar? |
| 12:56.08 | rm_you | yeah i saw you |
| 12:56.19 | rm_you | at least i think i did. i see Ari |
| 12:56.42 | Blafasel | cheater. where are you |
| 12:56.54 | rm_you | do you know who jott is? |
| 12:57.12 | Blafasel | not at all |
| 12:57.15 | rm_you | ah |
| 12:57.22 | rm_you | well |
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| 12:57.46 | Blafasel | ok |
| 12:58.18 | rm_you | later |
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| 13:05.48 | Jaffa | unbeers |
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| 13:06.09 | Stskeeps | any highlights from summit today? |
| 13:06.26 | Jaffa | Erm |
| 13:06.34 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 13:06.39 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, tabletblog.co |
| 13:06.40 | GeneralAntilles | m |
| 13:06.41 | rm_you | erm :/ |
| 13:07.12 | tigert | it was fun to post photos to flickr from the opening while listening to Harri's talk |
| 13:07.28 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: ta |
| 13:07.30 | tigert | and seeing thoughtfix type on his laptop |
| 13:07.40 | tigert | and knowing it will be on the planet in a sec :) |
| 13:07.45 | t_s_o | i hope someone gets those fremantle shots up soon |
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| 13:07.54 | tigert | t_s_o: those are not fremantle shots |
| 13:08.10 | tigert | they are mockups of ideas tossed around during the design work |
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| 13:08.19 | pierlux | are there maemo mapper hackers at the summit? |
| 13:08.29 | t_s_o | heh, i know, but i didnt feel like being precise when everyone would know otherwise anyways |
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| 13:09.55 | Jaffa | knows - from being responsible (partly) - how little developed code matches designer mockups & concepts |
| 13:10.53 | t_s_o | indeed, if designers had their way, we would all be using some wonderful computers that would never show a error message, ever... |
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| 13:11.12 | Stskeeps | t_s_o: or when it does, Clippy would appear. |
| 13:11.19 | Blafasel | ehehe |
| 13:12.19 | t_s_o | for a moment there i wondered by you where talking about chippy (as in steve paine, umpcportal) |
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| 13:12.49 | t_s_o | err, why |
| 13:14.55 | rm_you | yeah, gnuite is at the summit (maemomapper dev) |
| 13:15.40 | t_s_o | i suspect that interface designs are like war strategies, they never survive past a encounter with the enemy (user)... |
| 13:17.11 | jott | new ui is written from scratch |
| 13:17.32 | jott | full thumb support |
| 13:17.46 | t_s_o | ok, now im scared |
| 13:18.09 | jott | panning integrated int gtk |
| 13:18.19 | jott | for scrollingareas etc |
| 13:18.45 | jott | more hildon widgets |
| 13:18.52 | Blafasel | and we get a "report this error to microsoft" style dialog |
| 13:19.07 | jott | yeah with send button |
| 13:19.13 | jott | i saw it :) |
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| 13:19.27 | RST38h | a link to the presentation? please? |
| 13:19.48 | tigert | the network is starting to stall again |
| 13:20.03 | jott | RST38h: live feed |
| 13:20.29 | jott | not yet for download i guess |
| 13:20.32 | Blafasel | jott: are you in the dev session or ui/desktop? |
| 13:20.38 | jott | yeah |
| 13:20.46 | jott | desktop |
| 13:20.52 | jott | track |
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| 13:20.57 | Blafasel | ah, ok |
| 13:22.01 | jott | so most widgets should be easily thumb-able now |
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| 13:24.20 | jott | dedicated desktop buugmaster for community integration |
| 13:24.34 | Jaffa | We've got the exact same issue at work atm |
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| 13:26.31 | Jaffa | wishes ppl would STFU when someone's speaking |
| 13:27.10 | Stskeeps | does that include tablet tapping? ;> |
| 13:27.48 | Blafasel | the robot sounds are awkward |
| 13:28.10 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: no, just talking loudly... |
| 13:29.17 | tigert | gah |
| 13:29.41 | tigert | doing everything for everyone = complexity and insane maintainability burden |
| 13:29.59 | tigert | (stylus vs thumb) |
| 13:30.22 | Jaffa | This is gnuite asking, btw |
| 13:31.51 | pierlux | are there maemo mapper hackers at the summit? |
| 13:32.03 | tigert | ok we seriously need a hackergotchi thing, or some other way to connect names to people |
| 13:32.07 | tigert | its a huge issue right now |
| 13:32.10 | pierlux | ircnet seems to ban c-base |
| 13:32.11 | tigert | :) |
| 13:32.11 | Jaffa | :) |
| 13:32.36 | tigert | plus I shaved my beard so nobody recognizes me =) |
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| 13:33.25 | Pavlov | do it all, tigert |
| 13:33.33 | tigert | :) |
| 13:34.02 | pierlux | i just told the guys in my back to shut it up |
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| 13:34.58 | Jaffa | grrs - SWT & Jalimo have it righter, IMHO |
| 13:36.05 | tigert | hm? |
| 13:36.17 | tigert | gah its hard to hear what people say |
| 13:36.17 | Blafasel | jalimo? did you talk about java support already? |
| 13:36.32 | Jaffa | Lower barrier to entry with reusing existing API |
| 13:36.44 | tigert | yea, the api is a good point |
| 13:36.47 | aladds | Stskeeps: would it be a bad thing to make udev work even though we have 2.6.16? |
| 13:37.08 | tigert | wow the network just got boosted again |
| 13:37.11 | Jaffa | Blafasel: I asked why the Gtk version has separate widgets when Jalimo SWT and Qt give you the right widgets & menus OOB |
| 13:37.13 | tigert | who stopped warezing? :) |
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| 13:37.37 | jott | Jaffa: ah i did not understand a word ;) |
| 13:37.40 | Jaffa | :) |
| 13:37.47 | jott | Jaffa: and you are right |
| 13:37.53 | Jaffa | jott: heh, all this talking |
| 13:37.56 | tigert | jaffa: you got a brown shirt? :) |
| 13:38.00 | jott | with both assumptions |
| 13:38.08 | Jaffa | tigert: yeah, an ubuntu one |
| 13:38.08 | aladds | ok |
| 13:38.12 | tigert | Jaffa: look to 5-o-clock |
| 13:38.16 | aladds | well i did a bit of horrible hacking |
| 13:38.19 | aladds | but i have a console |
| 13:38.20 | Jaffa | on right, about 4 rows back |
| 13:38.24 | tigert | :) |
| 13:38.24 | aladds | i have a console |
| 13:38.27 | aladds | deblet |
| 13:38.29 | aladds | on 770 |
| 13:38.29 | Jaffa | tigert: :K |
| 13:38.30 | aladds | :D:D |
| 13:38.34 | Jaffa | tigert: :) even |
| 13:38.53 | tigert | (oO) -> "Jaffa" |
| 13:38.56 | tigert | :) |
| 13:39.03 | aladds | Stskeeps: console |
| 13:39.17 | t_s_o | heh, another reminder from lanparty days. i recall someone ones pasted a large ascii-art to indicate where he was seated when someone asked |
| 13:40.02 | t_s_o | and one other time we used a large inflateable tux on top of a server tower as a location reference ;) |
| 13:40.24 | RST38h | large unflatable tux sounds kinmky |
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| 13:40.29 | RST38h | s/kinmky/kinky/ |
| 13:40.51 | tigert | t_s_o: :) |
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| 13:41.03 | Jaffa | !!! Diablo counts as a major release. Therefore no guarantee of fremantle for N810. |
| 13:41.04 | povbot | Jaffa: Error: "!!" is not a valid command. |
| 13:41.05 | Gnuton | Hi there! |
| 13:41.09 | t_s_o | RST38h: i think it was a suse promo thing, it had the "lizard" on it |
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| 13:41.31 | Jaffa | povbot: shush |
| 13:41.31 | povbot | Jaffa: Error: "shush" is not a valid command. |
| 13:41.33 | t_s_o | Jaffa: ugh, flashbacks to 770 there :( |
| 13:41.48 | brontide | Jaffa: I would bet someone shoehorns a HE, but it's not going to be pretty |
| 13:42.00 | tigert | Jaffa: I dont really think n810 has the power |
| 13:42.04 | Stskeeps | aladds: sorry, hi - no, not a bad thing |
| 13:42.06 | jott | but its an even bigger jump with a 3d interface.. |
| 13:42.17 | etrunko_lap | Jaffa: wow |
| 13:42.18 | aladds | Stskeeps: just uploading a picture |
| 13:42.23 | brontide | Yes, but as GA likes to point out... it *was* promised |
| 13:42.24 | Stskeeps | aladds: you got fb working? |
| 13:42.25 | Jaffa | tigert: agreed |
| 13:42.28 | etrunko_lap | so the follow up happens here/ |
| 13:42.29 | etrunko_lap | :D |
| 13:42.32 | RST38h | t_s_o: Inflatable tux with a lizard on it...hmmmm... |
| 13:42.33 | Jaffa | :) |
| 13:42.34 | aladds | Stskeeps: yes |
| 13:42.35 | aladds | :D |
| 13:42.37 | Stskeeps | aladds: .. how? |
| 13:42.41 | Stskeeps | beating it into submission? |
| 13:42.41 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:42.49 | aladds | lol |
| 13:42.50 | aladds | sort of |
| 13:42.56 | etrunko_lap | live follow up |
| 13:42.57 | RST38h | jott: Who promised 3d interface? |
| 13:43.05 | jott | RST38h: clutterf |
| 13:43.12 | jott | it will be used |
| 13:43.13 | aladds | i looked at /etc/init.d/udev |
| 13:43.19 | GeneralAntilles | That is unbelievable fucking bullshit. |
| 13:43.21 | tigert | opengl is not "3d widgets flying in space" anyway |
| 13:43.23 | RST38h | jott: any practical reason for a 3d ui? |
| 13:43.27 | aladds | noticed how it checked to see which kernel you had |
| 13:44.29 | jott | and relies on gl |
| 13:44.29 | aladds | changed it so it always returns 0 |
| 13:44.30 | GeneralAntilles | They can at least be straight with us |
| 13:44.30 | aladds | then did /etc/init.d/udev start |
| 13:44.30 | GeneralAntilles | and say they're breaking the promise |
| 13:44.30 | GeneralAntilles | instead of making up bullshit. |
| 13:44.30 | aladds | noticed it worked |
| 13:44.30 | Stskeeps | aladds: interesting |
| 13:44.30 | jott | RST38h: fast compositing etc |
| 13:44.30 | aladds | then /etc/init.d/console-fb start |
| 13:44.30 | aladds | and it came up |
| 13:44.30 | RST38h | jott: yes but why? |
| 13:44.30 | aladds | :D |
| 13:44.30 | Stskeeps | aladds: neat :) |
| 13:44.30 | Stskeeps | aladds: i assume it was missing /dev/fb0 or something |
| 13:44.30 | aladds | i think so yeah |
| 13:44.37 | GeneralAntilles | Diablo was _not_ a major release in any sense of the word. |
| 13:44.38 | Jaffa | lardman has pointed out that PowerVR for 2420 would help ;-) |
| 13:44.40 | GeneralAntilles | Bleh |
| 13:44.40 | jott | RST38h: it makes sense but sucks for backwardcomaptibility |
| 13:44.47 | aladds | it also means i can make swap work |
| 13:44.51 | jott | RST38h: offload cpu |
| 13:44.56 | jott | etc |
| 13:44.57 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: indeed |
| 13:45.01 | t_s_o | sounds like this will be the last tablet for me, pandora here i come... |
| 13:45.11 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia employees were insistent on that point. |
| 13:45.17 | GeneralAntilles | They can't turn around and claim that it was. |
| 13:45.23 | aladds | http://www.flickr.com/photos/10211714@N03/2870416354/ |
| 13:45.25 | GeneralAntilles | Just come out and say you're breaking the promise. |
| 13:45.42 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I did. He shrugged |
| 13:45.50 | GeneralAntilles | Who's up there? |
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| 13:46.07 | aladds | Stskeeps: touchscreen works, i get things if i cat /dev/input/mice and touch it |
| 13:46.07 | woglinde_n810 | re |
| 13:46.09 | RST38h | jott: yes but why do you need 3d at all in your UI? |
| 13:46.12 | Stskeeps | aladds: :) |
| 13:46.16 | RST38h | What is wrong with 2d? |
| 13:46.17 | Jaffa | Erm, name escapes me. Anyone else? |
| 13:46.28 | aladds | Stskeeps: and the buttons work too, they all give crazy characters |
| 13:46.37 | Stskeeps | aladds: that's expected |
| 13:46.41 | aladds | :P |
| 13:46.43 | Blafasel | take a picture, label it "target" |
| 13:46.48 | jott | RST38h: 3d does not necessarily mean rotating etc |
| 13:47.14 | jott | RST38h: but making use of 3d chip for gui effect etc |
| 13:47.35 | jott | blending, zooming, scrolling |
| 13:47.49 | t_s_o | basically, graphics acceleration. what ati cards did before 3d chips became big |
| 13:47.49 | RST38h | h |
| 13:47.51 | RST38h | ah |
| 13:47.53 | jott | all better with textures |
| 13:48.22 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, that still doesn't pan out, actually, because the N810W will only be getting Diablo. |
| 13:48.37 | t_s_o | if one can do 3d at 30+ fps, doing 2d is nothing ;) |
| 13:48.38 | GeneralAntilles | So that's _one_ round of support, no matter how much bullshit you want to spin. |
| 13:48.50 | RST38h | then n8x0 should be able to pull it off, as long as it has some eye candy degradation |
| 13:48.52 | tigert | oh man |
| 13:48.55 | tigert | so timeless IS here |
| 13:48.58 | suihkulokki | what I suggest would make "Hackers Edition" just a set of propriertary packages you can install on top of a Debian (deblet) installation (with OSS components already in debian) |
| 13:49.01 | tigert | d'oh |
| 13:49.07 | tigert | just didnt see him before :) |
| 13:49.11 | tigert | he's at stage right now |
| 13:49.30 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: did they promise two for N810W? |
| 13:49.35 | Stskeeps | suihkulokki: did you notice the debian release maemo is based on? :P the dependancies are .. fucked, to say the least |
| 13:49.54 | Stskeeps | so there'd be quite a bit of mangling |
| 13:49.59 | Jaffa | tigert: making sure we stay on-topic ;-) |
| 13:50.11 | t_s_o | well, at least the wifi driver for the tablets is going open source... |
| 13:50.13 | suihkulokki | Stskeeps: well they need to be fixed eventually anyway |
| 13:50.18 | Stskeeps | suihkulokki: other than that it's an idea |
| 13:50.20 | dystopia | why is N810WE not released yet? |
| 13:50.26 | brontide | GeneralAntilles: Desktop by Rodrigo Novo |
| 13:50.33 | t_s_o | dystopia: no sprint wimax to use it on? |
| 13:50.38 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, there was nothing said about any specific tablet. |
| 13:50.41 | Jaffa | brontide: ta |
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| 13:50.54 | tigert | Jaffa: :) |
| 13:51.24 | suihkulokki | dystopia: it should be released by sprint for sprint's network when sprint believes their network is ready for customers iirc |
| 13:51.33 | Jaffa | dystopia: cos Sprint's wimax network's not rolled out yet |
| 13:51.44 | dystopia | i see |
| 13:51.45 | Stskeeps | aladds: progress on pic? :> |
| 13:52.04 | Stskeeps | suihkulokki: but what i'd really like to see is many of the excellent apps for maemo work for debian too :P |
| 13:52.06 | dystopia | texrat reports he's been using it though... its half rolled out? :0) |
| 13:52.08 | Stskeeps | (the oss ones) |
| 13:52.15 | aladds | Stskeeps: http://www.flickr.com/photos/10211714@N03/2870416354/ |
| 13:52.27 | Stskeeps | woop |
| 13:52.28 | Jaffa | dystopia: true - testing at least |
| 13:52.28 | Stskeeps | ! |
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| 13:52.50 | Anunakin | Any here using Mamona on N8x0? |
| 13:53.09 | Stskeeps | aladds: feel free to post to the Deblet on the 770 post on ITT with this picture |
| 13:53.37 | Stskeeps | aladds: how fast does it boot? |
| 13:53.45 | aladds | quite quick |
| 13:53.54 | aladds | i could film it if you want? :P |
| 13:53.59 | aladds | and youtube it |
| 13:54.01 | Stskeeps | hehe, okay |
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| 13:54.16 | birunko | Anunakin, yes |
| 13:54.31 | tigert | hey, if you post photos to flickr, put them on the "maemo" group pool as well |
| 13:54.56 | Stskeeps | tigert: i'm not entirely sure it's fitting for maemo though since it's an alternative to maemo :P |
| 13:55.05 | Stskeeps | aladds: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=deblet has some videos already |
| 13:55.28 | dystopia | does "High definition cameras for content creation." means the N900 will contain a good camera? |
| 13:55.39 | aladds | Stskeeps: but are any of them on a 770? ;) |
| 13:55.47 | Stskeeps | aladds: hehe |
| 13:55.55 | Stskeeps | aladds: was meant as things to tag with:P |
| 13:56.05 | aladds | ah right |
| 13:56.08 | brontide | dystopia: I specifically asked screen facing or back facing and they said it was intended for taking and sharing photots |
| 13:56.27 | GeneralAntilles | dystopia, high resolution, anyway. |
| 13:56.37 | GeneralAntilles | What that says about sensor quality, well. . . . ;) |
| 13:56.56 | tigert | Stskeeps: I meant in general |
| 13:56.57 | dystopia | hmmm... taking and sharing photos of yourself or the rest of the world? :> |
| 13:57.01 | tigert | not that actual photo |
| 13:57.08 | brontide | I would guess at least 2mp |
| 13:57.25 | dystopia | carl zeiss? |
| 13:57.29 | brontide | ha |
| 13:57.58 | Jaffa | N95's current camera, perhaps |
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| 13:58.07 | Stskeeps | bbl bus |
| 13:58.19 | brontide | they don't have a prototype yet ( or not that they are sharing ) so i doubt they would know that kind of specifics |
| 13:59.32 | Jaffa | Correct |
| 13:59.43 | brontide | There was some discussion, second hand, about Nokia *maybe* supplying beagle board firmware to hardware hackers ( like dsp and 3d apps ) |
| 13:59.56 | Jaffa | Unless the N900 is just a portable Beagleboard |
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| 14:00.26 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, well, in effect it is. ;) |
| 14:00.56 | Jaffa | is now in "Real Time Comms" |
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| 14:01.14 | kup | hi |
| 14:01.19 | brontide | GeneralAntilles: well I guess you have your council work cut out for ya' |
| 14:01.29 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia loves making me wrong. |
| 14:02.02 | Jaffa | :) |
| 14:02.40 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe if I just change my line to "everything will suck" I might at least be wrong in a good way. . . . |
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| 14:03.40 | brontide | I'm not in love with HSPA... I will live with it only if the price is right <$400USD |
| 14:03.51 | Jaffa | Peter was just saying they want *everyone* to want the next tablet |
| 14:04.01 | brontide | Ha |
| 14:05.08 | t_s_o | GeneralAntilles: going for the reverse psychology angle? ;) |
| 14:05.42 | Blafasel | more like the deperate angle |
| 14:05.45 | t_s_o | Jaffa: in other words, they are gunning for sheple approval rating, iphone style? |
| 14:05.55 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, they gonna make it $200? |
| 14:06.18 | GeneralAntilles | Or just force everybody into an upgrade. . . . |
| 14:06.26 | Jaffa | They've been saying "more expensive", quite explicitly |
| 14:06.42 | bongo | or resizable :D |
| 14:07.03 | brontide | No way a +$500USD unit would be suicide for the platform |
| 14:07.07 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 14:07.13 | GeneralAntilles | You're in MID territory there. |
| 14:07.13 | timsamoff | We were told to, "Get more money." |
| 14:07.39 | Blafasel | right now? |
| 14:07.54 | Blafasel | I'm in the wrong session, dammit |
| 14:08.55 | Jaffa | Cor, a timsamoff |
| 14:08.55 | brontide | at $200-$350 it's a good deal for a utility and a toy... at +$500 without a phone, but with the costs of a data plan... it's crazy talk |
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| 14:09.47 | bongo | 3g should be an optional upgrade |
| 14:10.03 | rm_you | where are you guys? |
| 14:10.16 | brontide | browser |
| 14:10.51 | Blafasel | dev |
| 14:11.07 | Jaffa | RTC |
| 14:11.19 | tigert | rtc |
| 14:11.39 | timsamoff | Rtc |
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| 14:11.56 | Blafasel | I like the 3G stuff a lot, I'm more concerned with the unitprice, not the data plan |
| 14:12.56 | bongo | with an optional 3g module it could be cheeper |
| 14:12.56 | Jaffa | Blafasel: agreed |
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| 14:14.15 | bongo | i've 3g in my phone and only one contract |
| 14:15.56 | Jaffa | In the UK, someone's pointed out to me a pay-as-you-go SIM-only HSPA deal for mobile broadband which works out at 5ukppm |
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| 14:16.20 | Jaffa | Means I could get a cheaper, smaller, simpler, longer battery-life phone |
| 14:16.35 | Blafasel | that's about 8 eur? let me ask google |
| 14:16.49 | t_s_o | http://www.flickr.com/photos/thoughtfix/2869595647/in/set-72157607375406663/ <- hell yes they are going to gun for the iphone segment... |
| 14:16.58 | Jaffa | Yeah, about 8eur |
| 14:17.14 | Jaffa | 1GB usage included |
| 14:17.44 | Jaffa | Totally changes my ideas about HSPA |
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| 14:18.16 | bongo | in germany you can have unlimited mobile internet for 10 euro |
| 14:18.32 | Blafasel | bongo: where? educate me |
| 14:18.40 | callahad | Is there streaming video of the summit anywhere? I'd really like to catch Tim Samoff's "Maemo User Interface Issues" presentation tomorrow. |
| 14:18.46 | andrewfblack | I don't even want to talk about US Mobile internet prices |
| 14:18.46 | sp3000 | fi too, though I pay 15 because I'm überlazy |
| 14:18.53 | bongo | www.1und1.de |
| 14:19.02 | Blafasel | ugh |
| 14:19.09 | bongo | see "mobiles internet" |
| 14:19.15 | GeneralAntilles | andrewfblack, ++ |
| 14:19.22 | sp3000 | (I think there might have been small print saying 3G/mo though) |
| 14:19.32 | Blafasel | bongo: hehe.. no. |
| 14:19.44 | bongo | no what? |
| 14:19.52 | Blafasel | but which service are they reselling? t-mobile? |
| 14:20.11 | bongo | i tried to find out but didn't find anything |
| 14:20.13 | Blafasel | no, that company is not an option :) |
| 14:20.18 | bongo | he he |
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| 14:20.51 | bongo | mh, that's the problem. i would like to try it for 3 months |
| 14:21.03 | bongo | but you have to singn in for 2 years |
| 14:21.04 | andrewfblack | BTW since there are a few people around can a few check out my newly redesigned http://www.tabletos.org I turned it into kinda a Link Page for tablets. Right now I'm just looking for Comments like The whole Idea Sucks or the Whole idea is cool. Its not done yet jst throwing a preview out there. |
| 14:21.35 | GeneralAntilles | Google home page for tablets? |
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| 14:21.48 | GeneralAntilles | I'd make the "TabletOS" banner in the left a little less ugly. |
| 14:21.56 | GeneralAntilles | It's squished up against the edge here. |
| 14:22.01 | andrewfblack | Its just text right now |
| 14:22.02 | GeneralAntilles | Other than that it looks nice. |
| 14:22.04 | mgedmin | "food"? |
| 14:22.19 | mgedmin | it is a bit slow |
| 14:22.20 | sp3000 | Invalid command 'ARGARGARG', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration. |
| 14:22.26 | mgedmin | or is the network here finally overloaded? |
| 14:22.33 | bongo | Blafasel: where are you from? |
| 14:22.43 | andrewfblack | I havn't decided if i'm going to go with a text logo or a image trying to keep it fast loading |
| 14:23.04 | andrewfblack | my benchmarks have it loading at about 0-2 secs on 56k |
| 14:23.36 | Blafasel | andrewfblack: go for fast, please |
| 14:23.42 | Blafasel | bongo: cologne |
| 14:23.51 | andrewfblack | GeneralAntilles: what do you think about the scroll arrows on the screen? |
| 14:23.59 | andrewfblack | Stupid Idea? |
| 14:24.08 | t_s_o | hmm, the links are full screen, make stylus scrolling a issue. and im no fan of the arrows... |
| 14:24.10 | treestone | andrewfblack: Looks OK to me, but I'm a content-type of person, I don't look at glamour so I don't ask for icons and stuf. |
| 14:24.16 | GeneralAntilles | andrewfblack, I'm not sure. |
| 14:24.29 | bongo | blafasel: yeah, i live there, too ;) |
| 14:24.36 | GeneralAntilles | They may be largely pointless for a lot of people. |
| 14:24.41 | Blafasel | hehe.. nice |
| 14:24.48 | GeneralAntilles | But I doubled the size of the default scrollbar just so I could thumb it. |
| 14:25.04 | Jaffa | Fremantle is going to have multiple simultaneous VoIP calls (i.e. conferncing) and hold/unhold |
| 14:25.12 | Blafasel | ehrenfeld for me, working in the cologne tower |
| 14:25.16 | andrewfblack | GeneralAntilles: yeah I'm thinking the same this site does scroll well just click and draging in middle of screen |
| 14:26.28 | andrewfblack | I've been gathering moble links for a while I still have alot to add and I'm going to start a itT post or something to submit new ones |
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| 14:27.00 | tigert | andrewfblack: awesome favicon =) |
| 14:27.16 | GeneralAntilles | :biggrin: |
| 14:27.43 | tigert | yeah =) |
| 14:27.46 | tigert | :D |
| 14:27.52 | andrewfblack | tigert: I do all that work and you notice the favicon lol |
| 14:28.00 | Blafasel | java question.. |
| 14:28.02 | tigert | <- the artist |
| 14:28.13 | tigert | thats a neat idea for a site btw |
| 14:28.40 | andrewfblack | new favicon and maybe a banner depending on how small I can make the file will come soon |
| 14:28.46 | tigert | I need to try that with the tablet |
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| 14:29.48 | tigert | its a bit smaller than 9mm per row ;) |
| 14:30.04 | andrewfblack | I've been running the site through benchmarkers and load timers for the last day in a half and making it as fast as I can |
| 14:30.05 | GeneralAntilles | Gnuton, you mind if I move the new Qt4 article on the wiki to "Qt4 Hildon"? We don't do camelCase on the wiki. ;) |
| 14:30.58 | tigert | andrewfblack: you could show/hide the subcategories with css? |
| 14:31.28 | andrewfblack | instead of reopening page? |
| 14:31.30 | andrewfblack | I've been thinking of that |
| 14:31.33 | tigert | dunno if its faster in the end to load the whole thing at first and then just show the correct page |
| 14:31.46 | tigert | as opposed to loading each level separatedly |
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| 14:31.57 | tigert | hard to tell |
| 14:32.05 | tigert | depends on connection speed |
| 14:32.38 | GeneralAntilles | Well, what's the total size of the page with everything? |
| 14:32.57 | andrewfblack | 9955 bytes is the font page |
| 14:33.08 | Gnuton | GenralAntilles: why don´t you like the camel? i just kidding.. you can move it.. I´ll update the webpage |
| 14:33.17 | GeneralAntilles | Even an EDGE connection can handle 10KB/sec. |
| 14:33.49 | GeneralAntilles | Thanks! There'll be a redirect, so if you have any old links sitting around it wont be an issue. |
| 14:33.55 | Blafasel | they didn't ask for 'whitespace' lovers |
| 14:34.39 | _berto_ | or brainfuck |
| 14:34.42 | Gnuton | GeneralAntilles: that´s good! |
| 14:35.35 | andrewfblack | Anyone have an opinion on the scroll arrows? Thinking about ditching them |
| 14:35.57 | Blafasel | _berto_: surrender to malbolge :) |
| 14:36.05 | andrewfblack | would cut 2k off the site lol |
| 14:36.22 | _berto_ | :D |
| 14:36.48 | Blafasel | andrewfblack: ditch them |
| 14:37.42 | Jaffa | andrewfblack: ditch - it's inconsistent with everything else |
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| 14:40.10 | andrewfblack | ok they are gone |
| 14:41.31 | andrewfblack | ok one more question the thing in bottom that makes font smaller/larger if I ditch it I will drop 1 http request and almos 1k any ideas? |
| 14:41.49 | GeneralAntilles | Ditch |
| 14:41.52 | GeneralAntilles | We have zoom buttons. |
| 14:42.07 | Jaffa | zactly |
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| 14:45.12 | andrewfblack | ok up top in header there is a grandient its only like 400bs and 1 http request should I drop it or keep it |
| 14:46.26 | andrewfblack | I considered dropping the arrow to right of liks also but its only like 400b and I think it makes the site look good |
| 14:46.53 | GeneralAntilles | I wouldn't worry too much. |
| 14:47.01 | GeneralAntilles | Connecting to the server takes by far the most time right now. |
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| 14:47.21 | andrewfblack | really is no way to speed that up |
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| 14:47.58 | andrewfblack | Remember if my server runs slow blame Qole its his fault |
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| 14:48.17 | qwerty12 | hehe |
| 14:48.35 | andrewfblack | and a little bit of Qwerty12s fault also |
| 14:48.57 | qwerty12 | Moi? I store medium sized files :P |
| 14:49.30 | andrewfblack | so far this month people have downloaded 50GB of data from Qoles account with me |
| 14:49.50 | andrewfblack | Yeah Qwerty12 your way behind Qole |
| 14:50.55 | andrewfblack | I still only use about 0.4tb out of 6tb a month |
| 14:52.02 | qwerty12 | puts Fremantle on the the server to make people download off my space, muahahahaha |
| 14:52.47 | andrewfblack | lol, my goal is to use all 6TB of bandwidth in amonth thats why I started giving away space |
| 14:53.05 | andrewfblack | I even removed upload limit on most people |
| 14:53.12 | qwerty12 | nice |
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| 14:56.35 | Blafasel | buy me a beer and I tell more |
| 14:56.39 | Blafasel | nice quote |
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| 14:59.10 | tigert | hmm |
| 14:59.11 | tigert | crap |
| 14:59.22 | tigert | we are in a need of a minidvi -> vga converter in the downstairs room |
| 14:59.27 | tigert | if anyone has one, it would be awesome |
| 14:59.45 | tigert | I remember someone had a macbook around..? |
| 14:59.58 | tigert | and possibly has an adapter? |
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| 15:00.28 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 15:00.28 | Blafasel | what's on schedule now? |
| 15:00.28 | GeneralAntilles | Calling IRC! Calling IRC! |
| 15:00.41 | tigert | :) |
| 15:00.41 | tigert | yeah |
| 15:00.42 | tigert | PAGING I-R-C! |
| 15:00.54 | bilboed-tp | multimedia talk in downstairs room |
| 15:00.59 | tigert | yes |
| 15:01.00 | bilboed-tp | tigert, that's a weird way of typing :) |
| 15:01.10 | tigert | it will be less-than-multi -media if we cannot find the adapter... :) |
| 15:01.19 | tigert | bilboed-tp: :) |
| 15:01.33 | Blafasel | tigert: what's the topic? |
| 15:01.50 | GeneralAntilles | tigert, just get everybody to cluster around the laptop. ;) |
| 15:01.51 | Blafasel | ask via microphone in each room? |
| 15:02.06 | aladds | tigert: i have such required adaptor here, however i doubt you're in the uk |
| 15:02.17 | Mek | use the camera to view the laptop screen... |
| 15:02.19 | andrewfblack | aladds: lol |
| 15:02.37 | Mek | that solution was used last year at Akademy for a presentation too :) |
| 15:03.19 | qwerty12 | aladds: I'm in the UK, where can I steal your adapter from? |
| 15:03.51 | Blafasel | yay, free chili con carne |
| 15:04.01 | Mek | where is the free chili? |
| 15:04.05 | Blafasel | 'slightly burned, please donate' |
| 15:04.16 | Blafasel | c-base, big room |
| 15:04.36 | Blafasel | where the bar is locatedr |
| 15:04.50 | Mek | okay, but I'll wait for the veggie chili |
| 15:05.06 | andrewfblack | is C-Base so big you guys need IRC to communicate lol |
| 15:05.20 | Blafasel | uhm. chili without carne? that's elsewhere I guess |
| 15:05.34 | Mek | Blafasel: the announcement said that it would follow later |
| 15:06.01 | Mek | andrewfblack: irc is friendlier for the presentations/talks going on than shouting across the room :P |
| 15:06.02 | andrewfblack | should veggie chili be ready first since there is no meat to cook |
| 15:06.26 | Blafasel | both were only warmed from earlier, afaik |
| 15:06.35 | aladds | qwerty12: how long do you need it for? |
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| 15:06.37 | Blafasel | and this one a tiny bit too much |
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| 15:06.51 | housetier | the chili CON carne was prepared last night and burned this afternoon. |
| 15:06.53 | Jaffa | can smellthe chili someone has |
| 15:06.56 | qwerty12 | aladds: lol, I'm joking :) |
| 15:07.06 | aladds | fine :P |
| 15:07.15 | housetier | chili SANS carne however is being prepared as we speak and will take another hour I think |
| 15:07.21 | GeneralAntilles | Oh god I'm hungry. |
| 15:07.24 | tigert | its not that badly burnrd really |
| 15:07.30 | housetier | usually we do not burn our ood |
| 15:07.31 | qwerty12 | All the stuff I have has VGA ports on it anyway :/ |
| 15:07.32 | housetier | food |
| 15:07.35 | tigert | its nice and spicy |
| 15:07.56 | tigert | housetier: it read that its slightly burned ,) |
| 15:08.00 | tigert | ;) |
| 15:08.04 | Jaffa | Bah, why's it being served in the middle of sessions?! |
| 15:08.20 | housetier | tigert, well from my point of view it is ruined but I will try it anyway |
| 15:08.25 | tigert | Because its delicious? :) |
| 15:08.26 | housetier | I am STARVING |
| 15:08.45 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, can't argue with tigert's logic. |
| 15:08.48 | housetier | "Der Hunger treibts rein und der Ekel treibt es runter" |
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| 15:11.09 | bongo | housetier: sounds disgusting :D |
| 15:12.19 | Blafasel | actually it's quite good |
| 15:12.29 | tigert | it is not too bad at all |
| 15:12.38 | tigert | makes you want a beer though |
| 15:12.40 | Blafasel | just lie to youself and call it 'smoked chili' |
| 15:12.54 | Blafasel | there. fixed it |
| 15:12.57 | Jaffa | had a nice big Becks at lunch |
| 15:13.55 | Blafasel | becks? ugh.. :) |
| 15:13.55 | tigert | my german gesucks |
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| 15:13.55 | bongo | becks is good |
| 15:13.55 | bongo | bitburger is better |
| 15:13.56 | Jaffa | OMAP 3430 just confirmed in new Multimedia Framework arch diagram |
| 15:14.25 | Blafasel | beck's is written in a stupid (non-german) way and a 'fashion' beer.. :-p |
| 15:14.42 | GeneralAntilles | Well, at least I got that right. :rolleyes: |
| 15:15.12 | tigert | i almost had a disaster happen when i said weiÃbier |
| 15:15.14 | Jaffa | Blafasel : it's not that bad, compared with the real fashion beers like Corona and shit |
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| 15:15.32 | tigert | and the guy said "ein beck's bier" |
| 15:15.36 | bongo | or becks + shit |
| 15:15.37 | tigert | "noooooooo" |
| 15:15.50 | tigert | corona is ok with lime |
| 15:16.03 | Blafasel | great, that means they'll change the architecture in spite of the promise and just because you had to speak up. |
| 15:16.08 | tigert | its just not a "good" beer but its good as it is |
| 15:16.21 | Mek | was quite amazed to see lots of germans drinking beer at a railway station at 9:00 in the morning already... |
| 15:16.43 | tigert | Mek: or "still"? :) |
| 15:16.59 | Mek | :) |
| 15:17.11 | Blafasel | mek: a saying here is that 6 beer replace a full meal.. |
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| 15:17.51 | Blafasel | and that you had nothing to drink at that point/if you convert like that |
| 15:18.11 | Jaffa | tigert: it then tastes like limey piss |
| 15:18.29 | Blafasel | seconded |
| 15:18.42 | Mek | never tasted limey piss... |
| 15:18.50 | qwerty12 | has. me loved it |
| 15:19.00 | qwerty12 | Waiter! Moar |
| 15:20.08 | summatusmentis | qwerty12: what's the drinking age in the UK? |
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| 15:20.15 | qwerty12 | summatusmentis: 18 |
| 15:20.31 | aladds | :D |
| 15:20.37 | summatusmentis | of course it is. the US is so backwards about some things |
| 15:20.47 | tigert | Jaffa: yea. but it goes nicely with grilled meat etc |
| 15:21.08 | Mek | tigert: or 'slightly burned' chili? |
| 15:21.12 | tigert | yes |
| 15:21.19 | Jaffa | Well, that when it's legal to *buy* it, it's legal to *drink* it (in restaurants etc) much younger |
| 15:21.19 | tigert | though this is not corona |
| 15:21.21 | GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, crazy, isn't it? |
| 15:21.26 | GeneralAntilles | still can't legally drink. |
| 15:21.29 | tigert | i dont think they have it even |
| 15:22.09 | summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: it's stupid. I just turned 20. |
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| 15:22.23 | summatusmentis | Jaffa: really? see, that just makes me angry :) |
| 15:22.39 | GeneralAntilles | Just less than a month until I'm good to go, though. |
| 15:22.54 | summatusmentis | I've got 12 months :) |
| 15:22.57 | qwerty12 | summatusmentis: come to Europe, get wasted, go back :P. Plus get high if you are in Amsterdam. |
| 15:23.01 | Blafasel | hehe.. 21 as drinking age is crazy |
| 15:23.14 | qwerty12 | I think it was 21 here a long while back |
| 15:23.19 | GeneralAntilles | I'm not really that concerned, though. |
| 15:23.22 | summatusmentis | qwerty12: hopefully next year I'll be able to study abroad |
| 15:23.23 | GeneralAntilles | is definitely not a drinker. |
| 15:23.32 | summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: well, right, it's just stupid |
| 15:23.46 | GeneralAntilles | The principle of the thing. ;) |
| 15:23.54 | tigert | drinking for just drinking is |
| 15:24.03 | Blafasel | stupid |
| 15:24.17 | summatusmentis | Blafasel: yeah, but we're allowed to drive at 16, die for our country at 18, but wait, we can't decide if we want alcohol or not until 21 |
| 15:24.39 | Blafasel | anyway, you're allowed to drink beer, wine and stuff like that at the age of 16 here |
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| 15:24.59 | summatusmentis | hmm |
| 15:25.08 | Blafasel | drinking includes buying, btw :) |
| 15:25.25 | summatusmentis | wait, where is here? Germany? |
| 15:25.39 | summatusmentis | or are we still talking about the UK? |
| 15:25.44 | bongo | blafasel: seems to be no problem for 12 year old kids |
| 15:26.08 | bongo | summatusmentis: yes, germany ... |
| 15:26.32 | summatusmentis | I see |
| 15:28.42 | Mek | thinks "Desktop Search Hackfest" is a bit an incorrect title for a talk that is 100% about tracker... |
| 15:29.07 | liri | kmplayer == mplayer ? |
| 15:29.37 | bongo | kmplayer is a gui for mplayer |
| 15:29.40 | Jaffa | I thought it wasn't a talk, but an actual hackfest?1 |
| 15:30.02 | Mek | there is also a talk with that title that was going right now... |
| 15:31.03 | Jaffa | pfft |
| 15:31.04 | tigert | fix the schedule :) |
| 15:31.14 | tigert | its a wiki... ;) |
| 15:31.47 | Jaffa | heh |
| 15:32.06 | liri | odd, how come I can't find mplayer on the list? is it at all available in diablo repo? |
| 15:32.12 | andrewfblack | I got a new router last month and totally forgot to lock the wireless connect until last night I got on computer and was looking router setup and noticed 10 Computes connected, I only had 6 Conneced so I had 4 leachers on my network |
| 15:33.37 | andrewfblack | I think 2 of them were Ipod Touches becuase the computer name was IPOD1 and IPOD2 |
| 15:33.50 | qwerty12 | lol, how could you forget? I got a new router *yesterday* and removed the default accounts (admin and superuser) and hacked around to get a "root" account |
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| 15:34.34 | andrewfblack | well I don't use the wireless that much at home, mainly for my wifes laptop which I don't touch |
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| 15:35.06 | andrewfblack | I guess I'm to busy working on other stuff to worry about my router setup |
| 15:35.30 | summatusmentis | qwerty12: what kind of router did you get that allows you that kind of access? |
| 15:35.38 | Jaffa | 's tablet is running out of juicde |
| 15:35.47 | qwerty12 | Heh, I wasted about 2 hours trying to bridge the router to my old one |
| 15:35.53 | andrewfblack | My wife wanted me to try and find out who they were before I locked them out |
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| 15:37.09 | summatusmentis | andrewfblack: what does that get you? |
| 15:37.09 | qwerty12 | summatusmentis: speedtouch. but don't be fooled, it totally sucks in that regard. features are nice but web interface and cli are fucked. when I telnet into my old router, I get a usual busybox shell with normal commands. with the speed touch, I have to learn stuff like :saveall, snmp rocommunity= etc |
| 15:37.38 | Jaffa | Fremantle'll have "Midas" which is a multimedia app framework |
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| 15:37.52 | andrewfblack | summatusmentis: finding out who they are well that gets them bitched at by my wife |
| 15:38.06 | Jaffa | Local/remote playback/browsing; playlist mgmt/sharing |
| 15:38.07 | mgedmin | my wifi at home is intentionally open |
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| 15:38.48 | andrewfblack | well call me cheap but I have 20meg connect(thanks to a nice Cable Man) and I don't want to share it for free lol |
| 15:39.14 | mgedmin | only has 4 megabits per second... :/ |
| 15:39.32 | tigert | the hackfest != the talk about hackfest |
| 15:39.40 | Jaffa | Midas means built-in media player is extensible |
| 15:39.46 | GeneralAntilles | That's nice. |
| 15:39.57 | GeneralAntilles | NEON accelerated video decoding. ;) |
| 15:40.29 | tigert | <quim> "you have to search to find the search hackfest" |
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| 15:40.48 | andrewfblack | I used to only have 6 until my cable guy said some idiot wired my house so he rewired it and ran a staight wire to my cable modem that doesn't have any TVs or anything split off is how I got the speed I'm getting. I'm only paying for like 8 megabits |
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| 15:41.25 | GeneralAntilles | 20/2 at home, 5/512 here. :( |
| 15:41.38 | liri | mplayer is supposed to be on maemo extras, no? |
| 15:42.03 | andrewfblack | yeah well I got 0/0 at work stupid wifi here needs you to run a windows mobile program to get certifiate to connect |
| 15:42.18 | qwerty12 | andrewfblack: that's pretty cool, I'm getting 16MB here and getting billed for 8MB |
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| 15:42.38 | andrewfblack | qwerty12: dont you just love getting more then you pay for |
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| 15:42.52 | qwerty12 | andrewfblack: for sure :D |
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| 15:44.24 | andrewfblack | I just wish I had better then 3.5 down |
| 15:44.34 | andrewfblack | I mena 3.5 up |
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| 15:44.47 | _gregorovius_ | Hi. anybody knows if there will be videos of the conference, and if, where could those be found? |
| 15:44.59 | qwerty12 | andrewfblack: be happy, I've only got 1MB up :/. |
| 15:45.11 | Jaffa | Yes. They're not available yet |
| 15:45.22 | Jaffa | Battery dead. |
| 15:45.22 | andrewfblack | I was thinkig of moving some of my websites to a server in my house but I don't think 3.5 up would be enough for them |
| 15:45.57 | mgedmin | 1 MB up? luxury! |
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| 15:47.01 | liri | arrrg! |
| 15:47.14 | liri | why on maemo garage page for mplayer the download link is only an mplayer.install? |
| 15:47.17 | liri | sheesh |
| 15:47.29 | liri | I'd expect there would be a deb package |
| 15:47.46 | _gregorovius_ | okay, thanks Jaffa |
| 15:47.51 | qwerty12 | liri: I'd point you straight to the deb but that means you have to resolve a lot of deps. Actually zap's apt-getit will be useful in this case. |
| 15:48.46 | liri | qwerty12: well here's a question |
| 15:49.05 | liri | qwerty12: how come if I run 'apt-cache search mplayer' from console I find the mplayer package but in application manager, it doesn't list it |
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| 15:50.05 | qwerty12 | liri: I have no idea. Is it installed already? For example, downloading the canola youtube plugin pulls in mplayer as a dependency. |
| 15:50.23 | liri | qwerty12: ahh. then maybe I have it installed already |
| 15:50.33 | liri | qwerty12: yeah it seems to be the case |
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| 15:50.50 | treestone | liri: dpkg -l |grep mplayer |
| 15:50.59 | treestone | or apt-cache policy mplayer |
| 15:51.00 | rm_you | back :P |
| 15:51.05 | qwerty12 | dpkg -l mplayer also works |
| 15:51.15 | liri | yeah I know how to find it |
| 15:51.16 | rm_you | also, convinced lcuk to sit down and look at datamatrix support really quick |
| 15:51.26 | liri | the problem was that I didn't even know that I had it installed at the first place |
| 15:51.26 | rm_you | wish us lcuk :P |
| 15:51.34 | rm_you | s/lcuk/luck/ |
| 15:51.41 | qwerty12 | lol |
| 15:52.19 | mgedmin | what's datamatrix? |
| 15:52.30 | rm_you | barcode |
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| 15:58.20 | t_s_o | hmm, datamatrix pr built in cam? |
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| 16:07.19 | Blafasel | the place downstair in the c-base building is crazy. |
| 16:07.47 | Blafasel | especially the huuuuge GTA4 on PS3 setup.. :-p |
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| 16:11.22 | tekojo | c-base as an idea is crazy :-) |
| 16:11.45 | Mek | s/as an idea// :P |
| 16:12.32 | tekojo | s/as an idea// |
| 16:12.41 | tekojo | :-) |
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| 16:15.17 | t_s_o | c-base? |
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| 16:15.52 | GeneralAntilles | Where the Maemo Summit is being held. |
| 16:17.05 | t_s_o | ok. didnt really tell me much tho |
| 16:17.24 | GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-base |
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| 16:17.50 | Blafasel | t_s_o: think crazy people with a lot of time and energy (and money) |
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| 16:18.09 | t_s_o | that could be either good, or bad ;) |
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| 16:18.28 | Jaffa | back with timsamoff's charger |
| 16:19.07 | Blafasel | hehe. I finally have one as well, if anyone's in need |
| 16:21.25 | Blafasel | t_s_o: let's say it's interesting and I'd join them without the distance to Berlin. |
| 16:22.52 | Blafasel | But still, the story they present is awkward or, if you're not into sci-fi, idiotic. If you like creative and crazy people who build, hack, game, party it's rather cool |
| 16:24.30 | t_s_o | heh, sounds like it would have been a fun place to visit indeed. but yes, traveling to berlin will not be in my near future plans, at least... |
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| 16:25.30 | liri | kmplayer should definitely support some command arguments if it's supposed to be an mplayer frontend |
| 16:25.34 | Blafasel | if you do, drop by. They are quite open imo |
| 16:25.54 | trenka | ssvb: |
| 16:26.18 | Blafasel | liri: Never used it. did you try kmplayer -- realargumentshere |
| 16:26.26 | AStorm | hello |
| 16:26.38 | AStorm | is there the maemo-browser developer around? |
| 16:26.52 | AStorm | I would love "arrow keys" feature from it in Firefox |
| 16:27.01 | AStorm | it is great with laptops |
| 16:27.26 | liri | Blafasel: no, but I don't see the point because it has a menu option for Player which includes Osso Media server, Mplayer and Flash |
| 16:27.35 | AStorm | (opera has that already too, shift+arrows) |
| 16:27.42 | liri | Blafasel: so I'd assume it would support command arguments for mplayer if it actually is a frontend to it |
| 16:28.53 | t_s_o | AStorm: refering to the "jump to next link" thing? |
| 16:28.54 | GeneralAntilles | Hey, AStorm! |
| 16:29.05 | GeneralAntilles | You heard about the WLAN driver, right? |
| 16:29.05 | AStorm | t_s_o: yup |
| 16:29.21 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles: something new with prism54spi? :) |
| 16:29.23 | Blafasel | liri: yep, sounds reasonable. what did you try? of course it can expose the arguments as gui options as well, since you're free to call mplayer directly if you know the parameters |
| 16:29.31 | GeneralAntilles | AStorm, open source WLAN driver is on Garage. |
| 16:29.41 | GeneralAntilles | http://stlc45xx.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 16:29.43 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles: cx3110x or prism54 spi? |
| 16:29.47 | AStorm | hmmmmmmmm |
| 16:29.54 | AStorm | Gentoo is coming... |
| 16:30.00 | GeneralAntilles | So, when can we get your kernel? :P |
| 16:30.13 | AStorm | not just kernel |
| 16:30.15 | AStorm | distro :> |
| 16:30.16 | johnx_ | AStorm, just bring a stack of sd cards with you... |
| 16:30.19 | Blafasel | does that mean I might get injection support? |
| 16:30.33 | AStorm | Blafasel: depends on firmware more than the driver |
| 16:30.36 | AStorm | driver is hackable |
| 16:30.43 | johnx_ | Blafasel, it means you can try writing it |
| 16:30.44 | GeneralAntilles | Blafasel, it's mentioned in the README. |
| 16:30.52 | GeneralAntilles | Blafasel, also see the thread on -developers |
| 16:31.02 | Blafasel | johnx_: I expected that |
| 16:31.08 | Jaffa | seen timsaoff using maiku or whatever it is today. Looks nice |
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| 16:31.32 | GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/stlc45xx-open_source_wlan_driver_for_n800_and_n810/ |
| 16:31.33 | qwerty12 | How does stlc45xx-cal? Do I replace wlan-cal in initfs with that? If so, shouldn't be hard. |
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| 16:31.43 | tigert | listens to the c-base talk |
| 16:31.44 | qwerty12 | s/stlc45xx-cal/stlc45xx-cal work/ |
| 16:31.46 | sp3000 | AStorm: the keywords you're lookig for are spatial-navigation, snav |
| 16:31.53 | Blafasel | GeneralAntilles: didn't look at it yet, I'm without laptop and only attend sessions here / use the tablet |
| 16:32.09 | Blafasel | tigert: same |
| 16:32.41 | tigert | its ... unique :) |
| 16:32.49 | AStorm | sp3000: yes, found no extension for Firefox that does this |
| 16:32.54 | AStorm | do you know of any? |
| 16:32.59 | GeneralAntilles | AStorm, does what? |
| 16:33.23 | Blafasel | tigert: yes. creative.. |
| 16:33.41 | sp3000 | AStorm: dunno, there's an implementation or two but I haven't the faintest who has what |
| 16:34.11 | AStorm | I suspect it's some fairly easy JavaScript + minor piece of XUL |
| 16:34.29 | AStorm | but I know zilch about XUL, so can't write it myself |
| 16:35.15 | AStorm | also, I don't know how to bind keys in Firefox :) |
| 16:36.00 | AStorm | ok, so the last piece now is gfx driver |
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| 16:36.27 | AStorm | do we have an accelerated framebuffer X server already? |
| 16:37.09 | johnx_ | AStorm, for the N8x0? or whatever's next? |
| 16:37.16 | AStorm | n8x0 |
| 16:37.19 | AStorm | omapfb |
| 16:38.08 | AStorm | an X driver that can use it correctly and has xv support |
| 16:38.18 | johnx_ | correctly? hmm? |
| 16:38.18 | AStorm | and is compilable :> |
| 16:38.23 | johnx_ | and we have xv support... |
| 16:38.28 | AStorm | johnx_: as in, accelerated |
| 16:38.37 | AStorm | bonus if it's already included in X.org release |
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| 16:38.45 | AStorm | or at least compatible with latest |
| 16:39.03 | AStorm | must be open obviously |
| 16:39.15 | johnx_ | well, you can probably use the fbdev driver in x.org |
| 16:39.19 | johnx_ | but xomap is open source |
| 16:39.22 | johnx_ | it's based on kdrive |
| 16:39.26 | AStorm | except that's unaccelerated... |
| 16:39.38 | AStorm | hmm, is the omap part hacked in horribly |
| 16:39.47 | AStorm | or nice separate driver as in modular X? |
| 16:39.53 | johnx_ | is there some acceleration feature that isn't being taken advantage of? |
| 16:39.58 | johnx_ | besides the sgx/pvr? |
| 16:40.16 | AStorm | uhm... I meant, fbdev is unaccelerated |
| 16:40.21 | AStorm | xomap obviously is |
| 16:40.37 | johnx_ | accelerated...how? |
| 16:40.58 | johnx_ | it's just a basic framebuffer AFAIK |
| 16:41.03 | AStorm | really? |
| 16:41.22 | AStorm | hmm, maybe it's less visible there |
| 16:41.35 | johnx_ | and anyways, that's not where the bottleneck is, remember? |
| 16:41.36 | AStorm | or Xomap has some added speed hacks |
| 16:41.55 | AStorm | yes, 20 FPS is at epson chip |
| 16:42.19 | AStorm | (actually, slow transfers to it) |
| 16:42.32 | johnx_ | I guess you could say xomap is "accelerated" in a sense. it probably takes advantage of whatever tricks our fb can do to speed things up |
| 16:42.44 | AStorm | johnx_: exactly what I mean |
| 16:42.51 | johnx_ | is there a problem with xomap? |
| 16:42.56 | AStorm | no, there's none |
| 16:43.07 | johnx_ | is really confused |
| 16:43.08 | AStorm | except that I'd have to wrap it and make an ebuild for it |
| 16:43.16 | AStorm | if I go through with Gentoo/ARM ;) |
| 16:43.21 | johnx_ | that's easy. it's based on kdrive |
| 16:43.26 | AStorm | this *will* be good for experiments |
| 16:43.34 | johnx_ | no need to "wrap" it |
| 16:43.35 | AStorm | johnx_: yes, but Gentoo now has modular X |
| 16:43.43 | johnx_ | so build it seperately |
| 16:43.49 | johnx_ | debian has modular x too |
| 16:43.50 | AStorm | uhm.... |
| 16:43.56 | AStorm | "build it" |
| 16:44.02 | AStorm | Gentoo is source-based |
| 16:44.06 | johnx_ | yes |
| 16:44.07 | AStorm | it wants ebuilds |
| 16:44.13 | johnx_ | steal another kdrive's ebuild |
| 16:44.18 | AStorm | let me check |
| 16:44.22 | johnx_ | like xephyr |
| 16:44.27 | AStorm | wrong |
| 16:44.35 | AStorm | xephyr is USE=kdrive to xorg-server |
| 16:44.37 | AStorm | :P |
| 16:45.03 | AStorm | so, I'd have to hack the main ebuild somewhat... |
| 16:45.06 | johnx_ | pretend I don't use gentoo |
| 16:45.25 | AStorm | or alternatively, diff that kdrive vs mainline |
| 16:45.31 | AStorm | then hack the diff to hell |
| 16:45.39 | johnx_ | are you saying that they somehow integrated the kdrive build process into xorg-server? |
| 16:45.43 | AStorm | sure |
| 16:45.47 | johnx_ | as in...they made it less modular? |
| 16:45.54 | AStorm | no, it's an option |
| 16:46.09 | AStorm | you can build xorg-server statically with USE=kdrive |
| 16:46.16 | AStorm | that gets you tiny xserver |
| 16:46.16 | johnx_ | wonder how this is handled in debian... |
| 16:46.35 | AStorm | I mean, USE="static kdrive" |
| 16:46.54 | AStorm | dynamic kdrive is just usual modular X server, but with some added features from kdrive |
| 16:47.07 | AStorm | kdrive has been actually integrated into xorg-server (mostly?) |
| 16:47.19 | johnx_ | ah, ok, that's news to me then |
| 16:47.35 | johnx_ | maybe steal an *older* ebuild for it, before it was integrated |
| 16:47.42 | johnx_ | that would be the path of least resistance |
| 16:47.56 | AStorm | possibly |
| 16:48.04 | AStorm | or I could diff Xomap vs its base |
| 16:48.16 | AStorm | see what they changed and port the changes to main X server |
| 16:48.31 | AStorm | for an xf86-video-omap |
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| 16:49.21 | AStorm | actually, there *is* x11-base/kdrive |
| 16:49.24 | AStorm | version 4.3.0 |
| 16:49.33 | johnx_ | and there you are :) |
| 16:50.18 | johnx_ | hmmm...I guess I vaguely remember talk of integrating xomap into debian's build system for x11 |
| 16:50.36 | johnx_ | I've been out of the x11 build system for a long time. It's been nice |
| 16:51.19 | AStorm | hmm |
| 16:51.29 | AStorm | USE="kdrive sdl" builds xsdl |
| 16:51.34 | AStorm | hmmhmm |
| 16:51.53 | AStorm | do we have an accelerated SDL driver already |
| 16:51.59 | johnx_ | so you can't specifically say emerge x-server-xephyr |
| 16:52.01 | johnx_ | ? |
| 16:52.18 | johnx_ | to a certain extent |
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| 16:52.30 | johnx_ | I'm sure there's room to make it faster |
| 16:52.44 | AStorm | johnx_: yes, here you can't |
| 16:52.52 | AStorm | but xorg-server does have xephyr inside |
| 16:53.09 | johnx_ | as long as you know the right build flags to make it happen |
| 16:53.11 | AStorm | and USE=kdrive builds xfbdev |
| 16:53.25 | AStorm | assuming supported drivers are enabled |
| 16:53.38 | AStorm | USE=minimal disables dlopened modules and builds them in |
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| 16:54.05 | johnx_ | I know that gentoo has some great points...but I think I'll definitely stick to debian... |
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| 16:54.16 | Blafasel | anyone seeing gary? i look like an idiot if i pass everyone, looking at the badge |
| 16:54.25 | GeneralAntilles | A funny thought occurs to me. |
| 16:54.34 | AStorm | johnx_: so, I'll have to grab Xomap |
| 16:54.38 | GeneralAntilles | The Beagle is only a little more expensive than an iPhone SDK license. |
| 16:54.39 | AStorm | diff it against its base |
| 16:55.08 | AStorm | then see what they changed, except bugfixes which are already in new xorg |
| 16:55.36 | AStorm | at worst, I can just provide patched x11-base/kdrive |
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| 16:56.08 | johnx_ | do you get to make a new USE flag? USE="omap" or something? |
| 16:56.23 | AStorm | it depends on how I do it |
| 16:56.35 | AStorm | can create a new ebuild entirely, like, x11-base/xomap |
| 16:56.42 | AStorm | and make it provide virtual/x11 |
| 16:57.24 | johnx_ | thinks that makes the most sense...but has also been accused of being a dirty debian user |
| 16:57.32 | AStorm | not really the best |
| 16:57.44 | AStorm | the best would be adding a patch against new xorg-server |
| 16:57.50 | AStorm | which already has kdrive in |
| 16:58.09 | AStorm | and add new VIDEO_CARDS option |
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| 16:59.14 | AStorm | first, I need an url to source of Xomap and also info what it's based on :> |
| 16:59.28 | johnx_ | based on kdrive-xfbdev |
| 16:59.38 | AStorm | uhm, version |
| 16:59.47 | qwerty12 | AStorm: Source of which Xomap? |
| 16:59.51 | johnx_ | let me just find you the source... |
| 16:59.57 | AStorm | qwerty12: hmm? |
| 17:00.06 | qwerty12 | Maemo Xomap or plain Xomap? |
| 17:00.14 | AStorm | what's the difference? |
| 17:00.57 | qwerty12 | No idea, I haven't really been following this convo so I dunno if it's what you want. |
| 17:01.22 | AStorm | I actually want a semi-accelerated (at least) X server :> |
| 17:01.49 | AStorm | and the best way to do this is to provide a patch on top of xorg-server 1.4.x or 1.5.x |
| 17:02.07 | liri | now I got a cool media center at home - videos that play on mythtv are also streamed with vlc and I can catch the stream with the tablet (it's streamed on real-time, i.e: with the video played progress) |
| 17:02.12 | qwerty12 | I see :) |
| 17:02.20 | AStorm | patch vs original kdrive is ok too, I could try porting |
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| 17:02.36 | penguinbait | qwerty :) |
| 17:03.26 | johnx_ | AStorm, this is likely what you want: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1/free/x/xorg-server/ |
| 17:03.30 | johnx_ | version 1.3.99 |
| 17:03.44 | qwerty12 | Hey penguinbait |
| 17:03.59 | AStorm | 1.3.99... a bit old |
| 17:04.06 | AStorm | but not too old to make porting hard |
| 17:04.26 | johnx_ | like they say "if it ain't broke let it sit until it succumbs to bit rot." |
| 17:04.35 | AStorm | I'll be able to move it to 1.4.2 at least |
| 17:04.43 | AStorm | 1.5 will be harder due to new modesetting |
| 17:05.01 | ssvb | AStorm: what kind of acceleration for X server do you want? |
| 17:05.26 | AStorm | ssvb: any that will make it work fast? :> |
| 17:05.48 | AStorm | what omapfb mplayer driver does is good |
| 17:06.28 | AStorm | exa driver would be a great boon |
| 17:06.46 | AStorm | but I should be able to port xaa driver to exa |
| 17:08.54 | ssvb | I'm not sure if exa can provide any performance improvement |
| 17:11.02 | ssvb | but I may be wrong, we just need to find something that can be HW accelerated |
| 17:11.41 | ssvb | scaling is already used by Xv, there are patches for rotation |
| 17:11.44 | ssvb | what next? |
| 17:13.38 | ssvb | true tearsync is a bit tricky, but might be done |
| 17:14.13 | Stskeeps | AStorm: you're welcome to hack omap support into newest xorg really, where kdrive is intergrated :P |
| 17:14.33 | Stskeeps | i think some of the linux-onarm people started a stub |
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| 17:15.35 | Stskeeps | johnx_: think deblet's new motto can be "No Tablet Left Behind" and the distro for people who want to paint the bikeshed in a different colour ;) |
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| 17:16.07 | AStorm | Stskeeps: so, I'll contact them when I get this to work |
| 17:16.37 | johnx_ | Stskeeps, sounds good to me. nice to see people finally getting behind alternat distro projects and not just putting their fate in Nokia's hands |
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| 17:17.14 | Stskeeps | johnx_: saw the 770 pic+vid? |
| 17:17.44 | johnx_ | saw the post |
| 17:17.49 | johnx_ | haven't watched it yet |
| 17:17.51 | Stskeeps | oki |
| 17:18.12 | Stskeeps | vid isnt that entertaining but shows it actually boots just as well as a n800 |
| 17:18.51 | johnx_ | prolly around as fast as a zaurus with pxa27x |
| 17:19.22 | Stskeeps | video is without dash so |
| 17:19.30 | Stskeeps | dunno how fast it is with |
| 17:20.04 | Stskeeps | AStorm: i'm greatly interested in new xorg and buildable in sane surroundings, with omapfb support atleast |
| 17:20.16 | AStorm | :) |
| 17:20.36 | Stskeeps | (xorg-server on maemo breaks when building under new header files) |
| 17:20.45 | johnx_ | good thing everyone's not as lazy as me :) |
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| 17:21.09 | Stskeeps | hehe, you did a lot of the ground work |
| 17:21.43 | johnx_ | ...and I was going to leave things at beta3 for the most part |
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| 17:23.24 | Stskeeps | i'm intruiged by people porting fedora.. didn't know they were at all interested in ARM |
| 17:23.40 | johnx_ | I think everyone is these days |
| 17:25.02 | Mousey | yay arm! |
| 17:25.09 | Sargun_Screen | arm is interesting |
| 17:25.17 | Mousey | it's endian agnostic! |
| 17:25.21 | Mousey | ^_^ |
| 17:25.21 | nemo | CISC should have been strangled long ago |
| 17:25.25 | Sargun_Screen | noo |
| 17:25.28 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: ping |
| 17:25.33 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, pong. |
| 17:25.41 | johnx_ | nemo, that seems to be the goal of the cortex a8 |
| 17:26.11 | nemo | interesting. hadn't heard of it |
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| 17:26.23 | johnx_ | nemo, it's the ARM core in the omap3 |
| 17:26.32 | nemo | and of course intel is trying to cram its CISC into an itsy bitsy low-power form. |
| 17:26.37 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: will you be about at 8am GMT tomorrow? We're wondering about trying to do a vid conference with the overhead camera. |
| 17:26.41 | nemo | not sure how well that's working |
| 17:27.06 | GeneralAntilles | 4 AM EDT? |
| 17:27.07 | GeneralAntilles | No way in hell. |
| 17:27.09 | johnx_ | nemo, they're losing performance in the process and not really hitting incredible performance |
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| 17:27.37 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: you're usually up 24/7 ;-p |
| 17:27.44 | GeneralAntilles | Usually |
| 17:27.50 | GeneralAntilles | But I'm getting back on a real schedule |
| 17:27.58 | GeneralAntilles | and people are gonna be here for the weekend. |
| 17:27.58 | Jaffa | Bah |
| 17:28.07 | Jaffa | Fair enough |
| 17:28.17 | nemo | johnx_: the one thing I loved about x86 was that there was an instruction for *everything* - the fact that you could write an entire app that wrote out to a monitor with just a few instructions. |
| 17:28.19 | GeneralAntilles | I'm full of excuses. |
| 17:28.24 | GeneralAntilles | Wanna try another angle? :D |
| 17:28.38 | nemo | johnx_: now that RISC is 64 bits long, are there magic instructions out there? |
| 17:28.59 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: lardman says a likely story ;-) |
| 17:29.25 | GeneralAntilles | is even gonna be tailgating tomorrow. |
| 17:29.51 | johnx_ | nemo, dunno actually. I just follow the big picture. cortex a8 = fast. atom = not as fast as it should be. |
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| 17:35.23 | t_s_o | hmm, power management to go open source? |
| 17:35.37 | GeneralAntilles | A lot of it already is. |
| 17:35.56 | johnx_ | yeah, most of it is controlled "the right way" by now |
| 17:36.02 | johnx_ | through iwconfig and /sys |
| 17:36.26 | nemo | I'm surprised more HW manufacturers haven't gone OSS already |
| 17:36.33 | nemo | seems it'd save them a lot of trouble in retaining coders |
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| 17:36.50 | nemo | continual update cycles, chasing the OS manufacturers... |
| 17:36.52 | t_s_o | nemo: IP leake worries... |
| 17:37.08 | nemo | t_s_o: they should have kept the interfaces more abstract :) |
| 17:38.20 | johnx_ | a lot of HW manufacturers are taking the kernel and slapping their own UI on it |
| 17:38.30 | t_s_o | then there is silly things like those winmodems of old, where most of the actual work was done inside the driver... |
| 17:38.35 | johnx_ | sony mylo, archos, motrola phones |
| 17:39.10 | derf | t_s_o: It's not silly. They were really cheap. |
| 17:39.31 | brontide | overpriced sounds cards |
| 17:39.52 | t_s_o | derf: cheap yes, but unless you used windows, forget about getting them working... |
| 17:40.04 | derf | t_s_o: They pretty much all work now. |
| 17:40.07 | derf | They haven't gone away. |
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| 17:40.42 | derf | But I would be upset if they 56k modem in my laptop had any appreciable manufacturing cost. |
| 17:40.46 | derf | *the |
| 17:41.02 | derf | Since I never use the thing, and couldn't have told them to leave it off. |
| 17:41.10 | t_s_o | and what about current day wifi, where i uspect part of the reason for not releasing interface specs is that the wifi is channel locked in software, not hardware... |
| 17:41.31 | derf | t_s_o: It is. Again, it's cheaper that way. |
| 17:41.35 | GAN800 | Imagine the chaos. |
| 17:41.56 | nemo | t_s_o: sure. that's why scanners write their own drivers |
| 17:42.18 | nemo | t_s_o: my laptop has one of those, in case I need it. |
| 17:42.26 | GAN800 | For some reason the taskbar is disappearing on the home screen. |
| 17:42.32 | johnx_ | yup, deblet supports 13 channels |
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| 17:42.37 | johnx_ | one less than I want, but meh |
| 17:42.52 | Stskeeps | johnx_: cos we don't calibrate the wifi, eh? :P |
| 17:43.00 | Stskeeps | (i'm not sure that's 100% legal really..) |
| 17:43.06 | derf | I was pissed when I was travelling in Europe and the WAP outside my hotel room was on a channel that's restricted in the US. |
| 17:43.07 | johnx_ | Stskeeps, it is for me here |
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| 17:43.31 | johnx_ | I don't know about the rest of you |
| 17:43.35 | derf | And of course no one there had any idea what I was talking about when I tried to explain the problem to them and get someone to change it. |
| 17:43.36 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: wlan-cal calibrates the wifi which is always ran on initfs start |
| 17:43.39 | johnx_ | just be glad I'm not turning anyone in :D |
| 17:43.41 | brontide | I just figured in infastructure mode it would pick that up and use it |
| 17:43.41 | t_s_o | derf: and in france some of the us wifi channels are on a military band... |
| 17:44.05 | derf | t_s_o: Right. I'm sure the band is used for something else in the US. |
| 17:44.14 | derf | But I wasn't in the US. I just had a US wifi card. |
| 17:44.28 | qwerty12 | This is one of the reasons I want to be able to write to CAL. Have access to that, switching wifi bands isn't hard. |
| 17:44.28 | t_s_o | and if the hardware companies opened up, they would be slapped silly by fcc and friends... |
| 17:44.40 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: not sure linuxrc does that really :P also we rmmod cx3110x and umac |
| 17:44.48 | Stskeeps | it should probly. |
| 17:44.53 | derf | Yes, it would be actually illegal for them to do. |
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| 17:45.16 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: linuxrc *should* do that. But if you rmmod cx3110x and umac, then that could make a difference |
| 17:45.20 | t_s_o | so what saves them a dime, cost us in versatility... |
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| 17:45.35 | derf | They sell a lot of units. That's a lot of dimes. |
| 17:45.45 | derf | And most of them aren't to Linux users. |
| 17:45.51 | johnx_ | t_s_o, nah. they'd have to lock it in hardware and have different versions otherwise |
| 17:45.57 | johnx_ | then there would be no hacking it |
| 17:46.16 | johnx_ | different versions for different areas |
| 17:46.16 | t_s_o | in other words, where would the fun be then, johnx_? |
| 17:46.45 | johnx_ | if we had more expensive wifi solution locked in hardware I wouldn't be enjoying channel 13 right now |
| 17:46.50 | derf | Yeah, at least this way you can violate FCC regulations without fabricating a new chipset. |
| 17:47.10 | derf | If that's what you really want to do. |
| 17:47.19 | kulve | Stskeeps: AStorm: all patches are of course greatly appreciated :) |
| 17:47.21 | johnx_ | or use the frequencies that are legally accessible in the country you're in... |
| 17:47.26 | RST38h | mooooo |
| 17:47.35 | johnx_ | m00 RST38h. m00 |
| 17:47.43 | derf | johnx_: On a device surely not licensed for use there. |
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| 17:47.49 | RST38h | johnx: hacking newly opened wifi driver? =) |
| 17:48.10 | johnx_ | RST38h, nah. the old one works ok. I'm more interested in usability than low level stuff |
| 17:48.11 | AStorm | kulve: against xorg-server? ok :) |
| 17:48.19 | johnx_ | I'll let more clueful people hack it |
| 17:48.23 | RST38h | derf: This is not violating FCC regulations |
| 17:48.44 | johnx_ | RST38h, using 802.11 channel 13 in the US is |
| 17:48.47 | RST38h | Blowing up a homemade EM bomb is |
| 17:48.50 | AStorm | derf: you can violate FCC regulations anywhere |
| 17:48.55 | AStorm | with anything |
| 17:49.00 | AStorm | e.g. modded antenna |
| 17:49.11 | RST38h | johnx: but who is gonna know, at 100mwt... |
| 17:49.14 | AStorm | no need to hack the driver |
| 17:49.19 | kulve | AStorm: yes. We use mainly Xorg, and it would be great to have anything ported from the Xomap to that |
| 17:49.33 | RST38h | Any news from the summit? |
| 17:49.33 | AStorm | kulve: if there is anything important to port, I will try |
| 17:49.43 | johnx_ | RST38h, the shadow knows what FCC non-compliance lurks in the hearts of men... |
| 17:50.05 | kulve | the XV stuff would be the priority I guess. Otherwise there's no hope of video with Xorg |
| 17:50.15 | Stskeeps | AStorm: http://www.linux.onarm.com/gitweb/?p=n8x0/source/xf86-video-fbdev-omap.git;a=summary |
| 17:50.22 | AStorm | FCC certs are pointless |
| 17:50.25 | Stskeeps | (from kulve's stuff) |
| 17:50.27 | AStorm | I mean, enforcing compliance |
| 17:50.46 | AStorm | just make the reference firmware and state that anyone using hacked one is non-compliant already |
| 17:50.59 | RST38h | btw, Nokia listened to my prayers and going to release E72 |
| 17:51.12 | RST38h | Too bad the display will most likely be 320x240 |
| 17:51.15 | AStorm | alternatively, make it clear that you can't assert compliance with any different version of the driver |
| 17:51.22 | AStorm | than certain binary blobs |
| 17:51.46 | AStorm | that should be enough for Nokia lawyers |
| 17:51.54 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody happen to have the overo link I dropped in here a day or two ago handy? |
| 17:51.58 | AStorm | and everyone will still be happy |
| 17:52.11 | Stskeeps | they should really make the -cal thing be a downloadable based on component model like diablo does updates |
| 17:52.14 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:52.18 | Stskeeps | instead of behind a friggen mac + eula |
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| 17:53.09 | t_s_o | AStorm: any non-compliant radio is a jammer... |
| 17:53.30 | AStorm | t_s_o: wrong |
| 17:53.47 | AStorm | trick is, formal compliance check is impossible in any use case |
| 17:53.54 | GeneralAntilles | Found it. |
| 17:53.57 | AStorm | unless you are actually jamming someone/something, you're clear |
| 17:54.15 | AStorm | FCC compliance is for devices sent to customers |
| 17:54.19 | t_s_o | ok, so i oversimplified. but thats still probably the argument used in governmental circles |
| 17:54.21 | AStorm | so that they're known to not interfere |
| 17:54.34 | AStorm | for that, certifying a bunch of binary blobs is enough |
| 17:56.38 | rm_you | qwerty12: ping |
| 17:56.44 | qwerty12 | rm_you: pong |
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| 17:57.04 | rm_you | need a kernel with rotation but no mmc patch. stat! |
| 17:57.16 | GeneralAntilles | I wonder how much the overo is gonna end up costing. |
| 17:57.37 | GeneralAntilles | Lighter-weight OMAP, but adding in Bluetooth and WiFi. |
| 17:57.44 | qwerty12 | rm_you: I'm kinda rushed for time atm :( and compiling a kernel will use time that I don't have :( |
| 17:57.46 | rm_you | tthe mmc patch doesn't agree with lcuk's card |
| 17:57.56 | rm_you | >_< |
| 17:58.42 | rm_you | well i think jott is doing it |
| 17:58.52 | qwerty12 | cool |
| 17:59.08 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: school work or? |
| 17:59.28 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: yeah + I'm fixing a cgi |
| 17:59.30 | rm_you | lcuk is sad, lol |
| 17:59.41 | johnx_ | did it eat his card? |
| 18:00.05 | rm_you | don't think so... just no longer appearing |
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| 18:13.52 | rm_you | ah good. works with jott's kernel |
| 18:15.39 | fabry | hi there, can anyone give me the right cx3110x's driver for wpa_supplicant, I've *50-2 2.6.21-omap1 kernel |
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| 18:16.04 | brontide | fabry what about the newly opened wifi drivers? |
| 18:16.14 | johnx_ | fabry, one sec, let me dig it up |
| 18:16.29 | johnx_ | brontide, they're not for 2.6.21, AFAIK |
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| 18:16.55 | fabry | brontide, oh dunno about open drivers |
| 18:16.57 | brontide | I would love to see iwlist implemented for skyhook |
| 18:17.07 | fabry | brontide, let me know :) |
| 18:17.13 | Stskeeps | http://trac.tspre.org/svn/deblet/dependancies/2.6.21-omap1/cx3110x.ko is what i use in deblet |
| 18:17.17 | Stskeeps | (2.6.21-omap1) |
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| 18:17.23 | brontide | they announced it yesterday and it landed in garage today |
| 18:17.41 | brontide | give ot take two beers |
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| 18:19.26 | rm_you | still waiting on dsme >_> |
| 18:19.26 | fabry | Stskeeps, ok thank you, I try it right now |
| 18:19.55 | Stskeeps | i still don't think dsme is that truely interesting |
| 18:20.03 | qwerty12_N800 | rm_you: +1 /me wants to write to cal |
| 18:20.04 | brontide | dsme hasn't dropped into garage yet? |
| 18:20.09 | Stskeeps | nop |
| 18:20.30 | brontide | I'm sure it's just because of crazynedd here |
| 18:20.31 | qwerty12_N800 | brontide: it's always been in garage, just private... |
| 18:21.07 | brontide | like some of the other odd-sounding ones |
| 18:21.57 | dystopia | brontide: do you mean ability to use skyhook api? |
| 18:22.01 | johnx_ | rm_you, it's bme I want |
| 18:22.08 | johnx_ | rm_you, what do you plan to do with dsme? |
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| 18:22.33 | Stskeeps | and bme is a snowball's chance in hell of getting prolly :P |
| 18:22.39 | johnx_ | yeah |
| 18:22.46 | johnx_ | nokia legal will never release it |
| 18:22.49 | Stskeeps | i'm fine with it just being hald-addon-bme really |
| 18:23.02 | Stskeeps | or plugins for ohm |
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| 18:23.24 | brontide | why? it can't hurt to ask |
| 18:23.52 | brontide | since it's pretty likely that they are dropping future support officially |
| 18:24.06 | brontide | fremantle will be only for the newer drvices |
| 18:24.19 | qwerty12_N800 | bollocks :( |
| 18:24.23 | qwerty12_N800 | no he? |
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| 18:24.57 | s | nick flavioribeiro |
| 18:25.00 | brontide | short of magic and fairy dust I don't see how fermantle will run on the current hardware any better than os2008HE on a 770 |
| 18:25.40 | johnx_ | brontide, it does depend on how they do certain things |
| 18:25.54 | qwerty12_N800 | brontide: true but the nosy side of me wants to still see it |
| 18:26.14 | johnx_ | for example, will they use a compositor or are they talking about each app drawing directly with openGL |
| 18:26.21 | brontide | clutter alone requires more and faster hardware than the n810 can provider |
| 18:26.55 | Stskeeps | if they would just publish powervr drivers it'd prolly help a shitload. |
| 18:27.18 | brontide | compositor, so it would be possible to emulate at 10fpm |
| 18:27.20 | johnx_ | Stskeeps, It wouldn't help enough and it'd cost them lots of money |
| 18:27.29 | johnx_ | brontide, so we can do without, right? |
| 18:27.42 | brontide | fpm |
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| 18:27.53 | johnx_ | hmm? |
| 18:28.10 | brontide | frames per minute ( I'm probably off, but it will be slow ) |
| 18:29.01 | johnx_ | maybe I'm misunderstanding, but if they're using a compositing window manager we can just use a regular one on the n8x0 hardware and skip those features |
| 18:29.16 | johnx_ | or is this something different? |
| 18:29.30 | kulve | problem with the powevr drivers is that there's not X integration |
| 18:29.31 | brontide | dystopia: skyhook is the pseudoGPS, but you need to be able to access current AP information for ALL the AP's around you. the cx3110x only gives you a full iwlist when you are not already associated with a base |
| 18:30.03 | brontide | skyhook is the api that iPod Touch uses for location |
| 18:30.28 | brontide | skyhook + gsm is very accurate in any populated location |
| 18:30.43 | brontide | and even works indoors instantly |
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| 18:31.25 | Stskeeps | brontide: in deblet NM i see all other AP's atleast, even if i'm associated |
| 18:31.47 | brontide | Hmm... people have said that's impossible |
| 18:31.53 | johnx_ | Stskeeps, those may be cached results |
| 18:32.01 | Stskeeps | that may be true |
| 18:32.33 | brontide | It would be nice to have |
| 18:32.42 | Stskeeps | and that kinda sucks if i'm going to make positioning with tablets probably together with my thesis.. |
| 18:32.44 | guardian | hi |
| 18:32.46 | johnx_ | also, now that I blamed power saving for association problems it associates fine every time |
| 18:32.47 | johnx_ | grrr |
| 18:33.07 | brontide | typical |
| 18:33.57 | Stskeeps | johnx_: with or without power saving? |
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| 18:34.11 | johnx_ | Stskeeps, I never touched the power saving stuff again |
| 18:34.20 | johnx_ | and even when I did it was likely set back immediately |
| 18:34.28 | Stskeeps | k |
| 18:34.28 | robink | Is there going to be a WiMax edition of the Nokia N900? |
| 18:35.02 | brontide | robink: dunno... based on the fact they have announced HSPA I would say probably not |
| 18:35.22 | johnx_ | also based on more wimax delays |
| 18:35.28 | robink | brontide: Bummer... |
| 18:35.44 | johnx_ | I was really cheering for wimax...but I really don't know at this point |
| 18:36.10 | brontide | I guess the wimax edition is ready-to-go... the ball is in sprints hands since they are the only partner at this point |
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| 18:36.40 | robink | brontide: There's also Clearwire. |
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| 18:37.05 | robink | brontide: ...which will merge with sprint |
| 18:37.28 | johnx_ | yeah, they're working together |
| 18:37.34 | johnx_ | so there's only one game in town |
| 18:37.39 | johnx_ | so to speak |
| 18:37.45 | robink | Hrm. |
| 18:38.06 | fabry | Stskeeps, with that driver: ioctl[SIOCSIWPMKSA] : No such device ioctl[SIOCSIWAUTH]: Operation not supported |
| 18:38.32 | fabry | I'm following this thread -> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12738&page=2 |
| 18:38.36 | robink | ATM they're still using different technologies, so I'm still not convinced you can use an N810W on clearwire's network. |
| 18:38.40 | RST38h | brontide: HSDPA device is still way off though |
| 18:39.29 | RST38h | As to N810W, my guess is they are waiting for the WiMax network to go into operation in US |
| 18:40.49 | johnx_ | robink, I think the situation is "not right now." |
| 18:41.02 | dystopia | brontide: yes, ipod touch & iphone use it, its pretty good |
| 18:41.06 | Stskeeps | fabry: did you rmmod old one and insmod the new one? |
| 18:41.28 | robink | johnx_: That sucks. |
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| 18:41.33 | fabry | Stskeeps, yep, rmmod, and insmod /path/driver |
| 18:41.40 | Stskeeps | mmkay |
| 18:41.50 | johnx_ | robink, but eventually I think clearwire will end up with just one network that works with mobile-wimax as well |
| 18:41.52 | Stskeeps | works with wpa2 on deblet atleast :P |
| 18:42.30 | johnx_ | robink, they probably have to replace hardware with something that's compatible with their old pre-wimax/fixed-wimax customer hardware *and* the newer mobile-wimax hardware |
| 18:42.40 | qwerty12_N800 | fabry: after insmod, run chroot /mnt/initfs/ wlan-cal |
| 18:42.43 | johnx_ | so they'll likely role it out in a place by place basis |
| 18:42.59 | fabry | qwerty12_N800, ok I try |
| 18:43.50 | robink | johnx_: They do support the Expedience Mobile WiMax currently, not sure if it's compatible with 802.16e. |
| 18:43.56 | andrewfblack | ok I'm not sure if there are anymore mobile sites on the web I don't have listed now lol |
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| 18:45.17 | fabry | qwerty12_N800, nothing, "operation not supported" |
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| 18:45.53 | johnx_ | robink, now that's interesting...I was trying to find out this info before, but couldn't seem to dig it up |
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| 18:46.31 | johnx_ | robink, so I wonder what they're doing turning on the new xohm wimax city-by-city... |
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| 18:48.53 | rm_you | lol sitting down cause i am too drubk to stand and type lol |
| 18:49.19 | rm_you | johnx: cbase is fscking amazing |
| 18:49.30 | johnx_ | brontide, I'm in deblet right now. iwlist wlan0 scan sees two APs while I'm connected to my own |
| 18:49.38 | johnx_ | brontide, any more info I can give you? |
| 18:49.45 | rm_you | especially with nokia paying for all the beer :P |
| 18:49.49 | brontide | huh |
| 18:49.55 | johnx_ | rm_you, I'm already pretty jealous :/ |
| 18:49.59 | fabry | are there some howto for installing wpa_supplicant on diablo or chinook? :) |
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| 18:51.07 | johnx_ | fabry, there are some binaries up. no packages, AFAIK |
| 18:51.40 | johnx_ | fabry, I have no idea if this still works: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12738 |
| 18:52.23 | fabry | this not works for me :( |
| 18:52.49 | fabry | is the situation different on diablo? |
| 18:53.08 | fabry | I've installe chinook on external SD and diablo on internal memory |
| 18:53.19 | johnx_ | I don't use wpa_supplicant in diablo |
| 18:53.22 | johnx_ | only debian |
| 18:53.39 | johnx_ | if Nokia's ICD has changed it might be difficult to make it work |
| 18:53.49 | johnx_ | maybe a dummy connection could be used |
| 18:53.52 | fabry | if deblet works fine I'll install it ASAP |
| 18:54.19 | johnx_ | it's worth a try |
| 18:54.53 | Stskeeps | might warn there's coming a major release out in a week or so, where you need to reinstall :P |
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| 18:55.12 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: you're fucking kidding me? |
| 18:55.21 | johnx_ | I won't get too attached to my install then |
| 18:55.28 | johnx_ | qwerty12_N800, but you like reinstalling things, right? :D |
| 18:55.29 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: .. it has apt-get resume |
| 18:55.29 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:55.41 | johnx_ | Stskeeps, O_o |
| 18:55.47 | johnx_ | hacking apt-get? |
| 18:55.51 | Stskeeps | johnx_: it retries apt-get -d install |
| 18:55.55 | Stskeeps | first -d, then install |
| 18:56.01 | Stskeeps | it won't die horridly then |
| 18:56.01 | johnx_ | aaah |
| 18:56.06 | qwerty12_N800 | johnx_: installing nit-env-gnome was too much! |
| 18:56.07 | johnx_ | good deal |
| 18:56.07 | Stskeeps | i can't do it with debootstrap (yet) |
| 18:56.13 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: brilliant :) |
| 18:56.29 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: and i hope there's a upgrade path but im not sure its more work than its worth |
| 18:56.33 | johnx_ | qwerty12_N800, "doctor, it hurts when I do this!" "Then don't do *that*!" |
| 18:56.34 | Stskeeps | since there's a lot of things changed |
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| 18:56.48 | Stskeeps | 'lo jiiv |
| 18:56.58 | jiiv | hi there :) |
| 18:57.10 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: any idea if deblet works with wpa2? |
| 18:57.31 | Blafasel | any plans for a party tonight? |
| 18:57.37 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i use wpa2 at home |
| 18:57.39 | Stskeeps | so yes, it does |
| 18:57.39 | jiiv | stskeeps: looks like you've been busy; i'm about to have to pull the trac updates from my google reader :) |
| 18:57.44 | johnx_ | qwerty12_N800, seems happy here |
| 18:57.56 | Stskeeps | jiiv: hehe, sorry |
| 18:58.16 | jiiv | no, i'm quite happy :) i'm probably going to reinstall this weekend to play with the new changes. |
| 18:58.16 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, johnx_ : thanks, my new router supports it and my old one with an upgrade... |
| 18:58.39 | Stskeeps | jiiv: yeah - wait for the beta really, i'm not quite done yet :P |
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| 19:09.54 | jiiv | Has anyone here tried using the 1.1.7 version of ThemeMaker? |
| 19:12.02 | andrewfblack | jiiv I use 1.1.7 for all my themes now |
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| 19:17.37 | Stskeeps | can anyone explain to me why debian packaging makes /etc/init.d "conffiles"? |
| 19:18.11 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: anything in /etc is a conffile by default |
| 19:18.37 | Stskeeps | so it needs to bother users with overriding init.d scripts provided by the package.. |
| 19:19.05 | mgedmin | I think that only happens when the user actually modified the init.d script, no? |
| 19:19.22 | suihkulokki | init.d scrips should read anythig overridable from /etc/default |
| 19:19.44 | johnx_ | suihkulokki, tell that to nokia... |
| 19:19.56 | Stskeeps | mgedmin: ran into that and i didn't modify it - i think |
| 19:20.13 | Stskeeps | has to divert network/interfaces it seems like |
| 19:20.27 | Stskeeps | (i'm sure i'll get lynched for some of these hacks..) |
| 19:20.45 | mgedmin | pulls out a burning torch |
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| 19:42.46 | robink | What kind of speeds can you get with HSPA? |
| 19:42.58 | robink | WiMax still sounds faster. |
| 19:43.48 | GeneralAntilles | Faster than WiMAX on the top end |
| 19:44.01 | GeneralAntilles | AT&T has phones in the 7.6Mbps range right now |
| 19:44.20 | GeneralAntilles | ~15Mbps are coming soon. |
| 19:44.21 | infobot | GeneralAntilles: okay |
| 19:44.26 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 19:44.32 | GeneralAntilles | infobot, go die in a fire. |
| 19:44.55 | qwerty12_N800 | gets the petrol ready |
| 19:45.28 | GeneralAntilles | Faster than a lot of people's cable. |
| 19:45.30 | johnx_ | ~15Mbps |
| 19:45.30 | infobot | 15mbps are coming soon. |
| 19:45.34 | GeneralAntilles | Though the latency is higher. |
| 19:45.35 | johnx_ | :D |
| 19:45.42 | GeneralAntilles | ~150-300ms in most cases. |
| 19:45.43 | johnx_ | ~botsnack |
| 19:45.43 | infobot | johnx_: :) |
| 19:45.44 | robink | GeneralAntilles: Ah. |
| 19:45.55 | GeneralAntilles | I usually get around 150-200ms |
| 19:46.20 | GeneralAntilles | Looks like infobot has 4 eyes. |
| 19:46.33 | robink | Blargh I wish Nokia had stuck with WiMax for their cell models. |
| 19:46.34 | GeneralAntilles | I wonder why colons are popular on IRC |
| 19:46.43 | GeneralAntilles | commas are so much more elegant. |
| 19:46.57 | GeneralAntilles | robink, WiMAX isn't really deployed yet. |
| 19:47.07 | robink | GeneralAntilles: It is in my area. |
| 19:47.16 | GeneralAntilles | OK, 2 or 3 cities in the US. :P |
| 19:47.25 | GeneralAntilles | 3g/EDGE is most everywhere. |
| 19:47.33 | robink | GeneralAntilles: I count 4, but yeah. |
| 19:48.14 | GeneralAntilles | WiMAX makes more sense in a niche device for the time being. |
| 19:48.37 | robink | GeneralAntilles: Clearwire has Seattle and greater Kitsap county (most of the rest of the Puget Sound region) covered where I live. |
| 19:49.06 | johnx_ | yeah, they cover a fair number of major cities |
| 19:49.08 | fabry | Stskeeps, are problem installing deblet on tablet with maemo on SD and diablo on internal memory? |
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| 19:50.25 | Stskeeps | fabry: you need to install to a SD, we don't install to internal memory |
| 19:50.38 | Stskeeps | but be aware you might have to write your own boot menu items for the cloned SD stuff |
| 19:50.56 | Stskeeps | internal memory = flash |
| 19:51.12 | robink | johnx_: I thought Clearwire was only in the Northwest...Isn't it Sprint who are rolling out in most major cities in the US? |
| 19:51.30 | johnx_ | http://www.clearwire.com/store/service_areas.php |
| 19:51.44 | robink | johnx_: Oh yeah. |
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| 19:52.37 | johnx_ | anyways, xohm (the newer wimax network) is a joint project, AFAICT |
| 19:53.54 | robink | johnx_: Will it require redeployment in areas Clearwire currently supports? |
| 19:54.10 | johnx_ | I honestly don't know |
| 19:54.27 | johnx_ | but the coverage seems to be starting city-by-city |
| 19:55.08 | robink | johnx_: Hmm... |
| 19:55.34 | cmw_ | ls |
| 19:55.42 | cmw_ | heh wrong window :p |
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| 20:00.56 | brontide | is it bad to upload to extras-devel after three Berliner's |
| 20:01.27 | GeneralAntilles | No way! |
| 20:01.53 | brontide | Khertan showed me a trick |
| 20:02.15 | brontide | so I integrated it into DialCentral and uploaded the new copy |
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| 20:06.43 | Stskeeps | brontide: you should make a competition on who can submit extras-devel stuff standing on their head, drinking a beer, and submitting |
| 20:06.46 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:07.06 | ShadowJK | HSDPA+HSUPA has similar latency as wimax, apparently |
| 20:07.11 | brontide | upload-beer pong |
| 20:08.05 | brontide | is way too with it for this many beers |
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| 20:10.06 | woglinde | re |
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| 20:19.14 | Stskeeps | groans at debhelper |
| 20:19.53 | vanRijn | does anyone know whether there are any maemo video apps that can handle h264 videos encoded for a PSP? |
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| 20:21.32 | robink | vanRijn: I don't believe the 2420 can handle H.264 that well. |
| 20:21.53 | vanRijn | robink: what's the 2420? I have a Nokia N810... |
| 20:21.58 | robink | vanRijn: Maybe if somebody wrote a codec for the c55x, but even then. |
| 20:22.03 | GeneralAntilles | Could if the IVA were used. |
| 20:22.16 | robink | vanRijn: The OMAP 2420 is the CPU in the N810. |
| 20:22.18 | GeneralAntilles | 640x480 h.264 at reasonable bitrate no problem. |
| 20:22.21 | vanRijn | robink: ahh, okay, thank you |
| 20:22.24 | robink | GeneralAntilles: Really? |
| 20:22.32 | vanRijn | GeneralAntilles: how can I do that then? |
| 20:22.43 | vanRijn | and what is IVA? |
| 20:22.49 | GeneralAntilles | You don't. |
| 20:22.52 | robink | GeneralAntilles: That's an ARM7 with no floating point (no SIMD, either). |
| 20:22.54 | GeneralAntilles | That's up to TI and Nokia. |
| 20:22.58 | vanRijn | oh |
| 20:22.59 | vanRijn | blef |
| 20:23.18 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: there's a spinning 3D maemo.org logo here without the .org.... |
| 20:23.30 | vanRijn | so I'm looking at re-encoding all my ripped videos to something the N810 likes better? |
| 20:23.44 | Stskeeps | heh, GA would have created quite a scene if he was at summit, eh :P |
| 20:23.49 | Jaffa | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.17 | vanRijn | anybody done this already? any pointers on a good mencoder command? What's the best size to encode at if I want to do full-screen movie watching? |
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| 20:24.33 | robink | I suppose if you used them both side-by-side... |
| 20:24.37 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, I might've booed that poor Desktop presentation guy off the stage. . . . |
| 20:24.49 | GeneralAntilles | ~mediautils |
| 20:25.00 | GeneralAntilles | ~mediautils is http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 20:25.01 | infobot | GeneralAntilles: okay |
| 20:25.24 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: or ari when mentioning 3G? ;> |
| 20:25.35 | vanRijn | GeneralAntilles: thank you. =:) |
| 20:25.42 | Jaffa | vanRijn: http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/tablet-encode.html |
| 20:25.49 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, on an N810? :P |
| 20:26.01 | Jaffa | Lightning session in the summit tomorrow |
| 20:26.06 | vanRijn | Jaffa: awesome, thanks |
| 20:26.16 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I linked Ari to the branding page on his blog. ;) |
| 20:26.28 | GeneralAntilles | "Maemo.org Maemo.org Maemo.org" |
| 20:26.36 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I saw ;-) |
| 20:26.52 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, any word on the upgrade repo stuff? |
| 20:27.03 | GeneralAntilles | and has anybody poked Nokia legal about the maemo.org issues? |
| 20:27.05 | woglinde | summit was nice |
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| 20:28.24 | woglinde | GeneralAntilles hm on the architecture session the issue was raised |
| 20:28.42 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: not clear yet; we're gonna have a discussion in our pres tomorrow |
| 20:28.46 | woglinde | so the repos should became clearer and easier |
| 20:29.22 | MangoFusion | lightning session? sounds hair-raising |
| 20:29.57 | woglinde | MangoFusion you have 5 minutes to talk about yout stuff project wahtever |
| 20:31.02 | MangoFusion | what now |
| 20:31.02 | MangoFusion | err |
| 20:31.10 | MangoFusion | #import <conversation.h> |
| 20:31.16 | MangoFusion | waffle_a_lot(); |
| 20:31.23 | MangoFusion | there ;) |
| 20:31.40 | GeneralAntilles | Mmm . . . waffles. |
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| 20:35.27 | Benny1967 | hi... are slides online anywhere? found only 2 presentations so far. |
| 20:36.03 | GeneralAntilles | Thoughtfix has some pictures on his flickr account |
| 20:36.09 | Jaffa | Not yet, no. |
| 20:36.17 | Jaffa | Nextt weee;k |
| 20:36.20 | GeneralAntilles | The dev session slides are up on Quim's blog. |
| 20:36.32 | GeneralAntilles | Ari's keynote slides are on his blog. |
| 20:36.33 | Benny1967 | seen them... and they made me want to see nore ;) |
| 20:36.37 | GeneralAntilles | Haven't seen any others. |
| 20:37.07 | Jaffa | Most of the presentations today have been Nokian |
| 20:37.13 | Benny1967 | cool to have slides this way at least ;) |
| 20:37.34 | Jaffa | LordAntilles' councils slides will be online next week, certainly |
| 20:37.48 | Benny1967 | Jaffa, and nokians dont publish slides? |
| 20:37.58 | GeneralAntilles | http://flickr.com/groups/maemo/ |
| 20:38.35 | GeneralAntilles | Play "label the people" with the flickr shots. |
| 20:38.35 | Jaffa | Benny1967: it's a miracle when they publish *sourcez* |
| 20:38.49 | Benny1967 | LOL |
| 20:39.31 | GeneralAntilles | I really want one of those lanyards. |
| 20:39.33 | Benny1967 | i liked the pix on flickr. must be very, very cool to be there |
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| 20:40.37 | Benny1967 | lanyards? i'd rather have peter schneider. *evilgrin* |
| 20:41.51 | GeneralAntilles | brontide is hilariously prominent in a lot of those flickr shots. |
| 20:42.20 | brontide | uh oh |
| 20:42.27 | woglinde | Benny1967 yes c-base is nice |
| 20:42.52 | Benny1967 | ;) |
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| 20:44.12 | Benny1967 | and from the pictures it seems people r really enjoying themselves |
| 20:44.36 | brontide | Unfortunatly the lighting toghight leaves quite a bit to be desired |
| 20:45.04 | brontide | GeneralAntilles: which shots? |
| 20:45.41 | GeneralAntilles | brontide, the ones on flickr. :P |
| 20:45.47 | GeneralAntilles | handful's got some |
| 20:45.55 | GeneralAntilles | The Maemo group has some more. |
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| 20:47.41 | Jaffa | and the fucking new age transient industrial electro synth pop |
| 20:47.48 | GeneralAntilles | Hahaha |
| 20:48.20 | brontide | is very confused |
| 20:49.05 | GeneralAntilles | http://flickr.com/photos/handful/2866905529/ |
| 20:49.09 | GeneralAntilles | Like that. |
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| 20:52.09 | brontide | Yes, well that was the developer session that was more like "I can't answer that", "we're not talking about hardware here", ...... |
| 20:52.33 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 20:53.10 | brontide | any other flatering shots you've dug up? |
| 20:53.18 | Benny1967 | how much alcohol did you guys take to berlin to make the nokians talk? |
| 20:54.13 | Benny1967 | I'll not have you come home with those "i cant answer that"-stuff ;) |
| 20:55.21 | GeneralAntilles | http://flickr.com/photos/tigert/2869156965/sizes/l/in/pool-373437@N21/ |
| 20:55.40 | Jaffa | brontide: poke your tablet |
| 20:55.59 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa from Hell http://flickr.com/photos/sjgadsby/2869294909/sizes/l/ |
| 20:57.07 | Jaffa | Muwahahaha |
| 20:57.45 | crashanddie | Jaffa, you need to get yourself to the gym again |
| 20:57.48 | Jaffa | Kneel before Zod^WJaffa |
| 20:57.49 | crashanddie | build those shoulders a bit |
| 20:58.18 | Jaffa | crashanddie: meh |
| 20:58.23 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 20:59.13 | crashanddie | for the next council election |
| 20:59.16 | crashanddie | I want pics |
| 20:59.27 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie's only voting for the buff people. |
| 20:59.38 | Jaffa | He's in trouble then |
| 20:59.43 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
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| 21:01.06 | crashanddie | You'd be amazed :P |
| 21:01.26 | Jaffa | Nah, I've seen the rest of the people |
| 21:01.35 | crashanddie | oh, and just for the record |
| 21:01.43 | Steve__ | Jaffa, how was the first day of the summit? |
| 21:01.48 | crashanddie | I will *never* be a candidate for the council |
| 21:01.59 | Jaffa | Steve__: good |
| 21:02.04 | GeneralAntilles | Actually, it doesn't matter. |
| 21:02.09 | GeneralAntilles | There will be no more elections. ;) |
| 21:02.16 | Jaffa | crashanddie: not buff enough? |
| 21:02.25 | Steve__ | Jaffa: is everyone who was at OSiM still there? |
| 21:02.38 | Jaffa | Steve__: AFAICT |
| 21:02.47 | Steve__ | cool |
| 21:02.58 | brontide | Jaffa: you should head down to the McFit |
| 21:03.13 | Steve__ | hah, we passed that on the train |
| 21:03.15 | Steve__ | is it a gym? |
| 21:03.18 | brontide | Yep |
| 21:03.24 | crashanddie | Jaffa, I work out and run on a daily basis |
| 21:03.35 | woglinde | steve 24 hours open or so |
| 21:03.45 | Jaffa | good grief |
| 21:03.47 | GeneralAntilles | By that he means, "run to the fridge". :P |
| 21:03.52 | Steve__ | nice one, jamie and I almost missed the flight home today |
| 21:03.58 | Steve__ | went to see checkpoint charlie, and got lost |
| 21:04.22 | Jaffa | would rather have Blink182 or Bryan Adams, Buckfizz or S-Club 7 than this noise, btw |
| 21:04.23 | crashanddie | Jaffa, I played rugby, paintball on a competition level, and also did competition boxing |
| 21:04.53 | GeneralAntilles | Wow |
| 21:04.55 | GeneralAntilles | That is bad. |
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| 21:05.49 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: got a Gtalk account? I'll vid conf it over to you so you can say hello ;-) |
| 21:06.54 | smackpotato | how do i get nice |
| 21:07.12 | smackpotato | or install core utilities |
| 21:07.52 | qwerty12-N800 | meh installing coreutils is more trouble than it's worth ;). dpkg -x it out from a coreutils deb |
| 21:08.16 | Steve__ | did anyone see the User Interface keynote? |
| 21:08.21 | mgedmin | prefers "this noise" to the ms windows startup sound |
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| 21:08.44 | smackpotato | thanks qw ill see how to do that |
| 21:08.52 | Jaffa | mgedmin: after about 3 hours of nthe same tho.... |
| 21:09.12 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, how is that bad? |
| 21:09.25 | mgedmin | but imagine 3 hours of looped ms windows startup sound |
| 21:09.28 | mgedmin | shudders |
| 21:09.42 | qwerty12-N800 | Jaffa: don't most people continually hear the sound of windows startup anyway? :p |
| 21:09.47 | Jaffa | :) |
| 21:10.10 | Jaffa | wonders about recording this and putting it somewhere for the channel to here. |
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| 21:10.32 | Jaffa | Anyone interested, tablet call aflegg@gmail.com... |
| 21:11.01 | Stskeeps | "Your email address has won £182,000 Great British pounds (GBP) in the |
| 21:11.02 | Stskeeps | ongoing NOKIA MOBILE PROMO." |
| 21:11.03 | Stskeeps | woo! |
| 21:11.04 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:11.10 | Jaffa | If on fremantle, we could have a conf call.... |
| 21:11.11 | Stskeeps | (targeted spam, i like it.) |
| 21:11.44 | crashanddie | Jaffa, why wait for fremantle? |
| 21:12.12 | qwerty12-N800 | Stskeeps: my email address has a ferrari. i have to threaten it with knuckledusters before it hands over keys |
| 21:13.02 | Steve__ | nice alpha blending jaffa |
| 21:13.08 | Steve__ | floating head? |
| 21:13.25 | Jaffa | indeed |
| 21:14.37 | lardman | qwerty12-N800: we're missing you, free beer |
| 21:15.01 | Jaffa | underage girlls |
| 21:15.05 | lardman | and 15 yo gils |
| 21:15.08 | Steve__ | bullshit |
| 21:15.10 | lardman | girls even |
| 21:15.11 | qwerty12-N800 | lardman: hehe |
| 21:15.21 | Jaffa | we weren't interested |
| 21:15.39 | lardman | but thought of qwert of course |
| 21:15.54 | Jaffa | of course |
| 21:16.13 | lardman | hmm, typing not so good on little kb, nothing to do with beer |
| 21:16.13 | Steve__ | i was disturbed by the number of hookers on the one street |
| 21:16.44 | qwerty12-N800 | Steve__: name of street please? |
| 21:16.49 | Steve__ | heh |
| 21:16.57 | qwerty12-N800 | :p |
| 21:17.00 | Jaffa | long/lat |
| 21:17.30 | crashanddie | qwerty12-N800, how about we make sure we go to the next NIT con together? |
| 21:17.40 | woglinde | Steve__ oranienburger? |
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| 21:17.58 | crashanddie | qwerty12-N800, maybe your mummy will let you leave if I get her to trust me (will take about 10 minutes) |
| 21:18.02 | Steve__ | where 24 am pm is |
| 21:18.06 | Steve__ | hackesher markt or something |
| 21:18.07 | lardman | where are you lcuk? |
| 21:18.09 | crashanddie | hey lcuk ! |
| 21:18.17 | crashanddie | lardman, he's at c-base, lol |
| 21:18.30 | crashanddie | lcuk@echelon.ext.c-base.org |
| 21:18.33 | woglinde | Steve__ yes its oranienburger strasse |
| 21:18.35 | jott | rm_you MIA |
| 21:18.43 | Steve__ | is it not illegal? |
| 21:18.56 | lardman | crashanddie: i'm sat in there |
| 21:18.56 | crashanddie | orange burger road? |
| 21:18.57 | woglinde | Steve its tolerated |
| 21:19.00 | qwerty12-N800 | crashanddie: lol :p. anyway, i'm 16 in a month so... |
| 21:19.05 | jott | i started lcuk client |
| 21:19.07 | Steve__ | fair enough |
| 21:19.10 | Steve__ | they all carry bum bags |
| 21:19.12 | Steve__ | i found that amusing |
| 21:19.17 | jott | should be back any minute |
| 21:19.19 | woglinde | crashanddie no oranienburg is a small city north of berlin |
| 21:19.24 | crashanddie | lardman, well my answer was valid nonetheless |
| 21:19.51 | Steve__ | are the bum bags used to store crack? |
| 21:20.10 | crashanddie | i would say "bum bags" are already a crack |
| 21:20.11 | woglinde | Steve meebey |
| 21:20.40 | Steve__ | hmmm |
| 21:20.49 | jott | hey lcuk |
| 21:21.51 | lardman | oi lcuk, which side of the bar are you on? |
| 21:22.27 | lcuk | in cabase jott installeed it for me |
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| 21:22.39 | lcuk | near backddoor |
| 21:22.55 | crashanddie | are you drunk? |
| 21:22.57 | lardman | hi |
| 21:22.58 | lcuk | hey lardman lookup |
| 21:23.01 | lcuk | very |
| 21:23.03 | lardman | sort of |
| 21:23.07 | lcuk | hi crash |
| 21:23.13 | lcuk | pm me |
| 21:23.14 | crashanddie | hey pal |
| 21:23.16 | crashanddie | k |
| 21:23.29 | jott | free beer does not imply getting drunk...harhar |
| 21:23.48 | Steve__ | you obviously aren't drinking enough |
| 21:23.57 | yacoob | F1. |
| 21:24.13 | yacoob | Canola sucks. What was the other, nonsucking media player capable of playing from upnp av? |
| 21:24.14 | jott | we can still type on a n810 keyboard :) |
| 21:24.37 | Steve__ | jott: then you definitely haven't been drinking enough |
| 21:24.44 | woglinde | jott *g* |
| 21:25.27 | jott | Steve__: well i guess beer does not make one drunk |
| 21:25.42 | jott | it's more of a softdrink |
| 21:25.51 | Steve__ | what kind of beer are you drinking? |
| 21:26.05 | jott | hefeweizen |
| 21:26.55 | woglinde | that's no beer |
| 21:26.55 | jott | schneiders weisse 5.4% vol :) |
| 21:27.17 | woglinde | blood hound gang whould say it's "kuhpisse" |
| 21:27.18 | jott | delicious softdrink ;) |
| 21:27.37 | Steve__ | i had a white russian last night |
| 21:27.42 | jott | is not a pils-man |
| 21:27.47 | Steve__ | there were lumps in the milk |
| 21:28.13 | woglinde | white russian rocks |
| 21:28.25 | jott | Kahlua |
| 21:28.32 | Steve__ | not with lumpy milk! |
| 21:30.35 | jott | rm_you is still on the toilet.... . . |
| 21:31.07 | Stskeeps | queue? :> |
| 21:31.07 | lardman | lcuk, what's your gmail? come on link-local |
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| 21:32.19 | mgedmin810 | hi, jott :) |
| 21:32.21 | lcuk | hmmm just a mo im tethered and talkin to my good m8 |
| 21:32.39 | jott | hello you there on the other side of the table |
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| 21:34.08 | Steve__ | was the summit recorded? |
| 21:34.27 | woglinde | Steve__ yes |
| 21:34.34 | jott | Steve__: so part of it |
| 21:34.36 | jott | some |
| 21:34.57 | Steve__ | PyPy Python for Maemo (by Holger Krekel and/or Maciej Fijalkowski). |
| 21:35.00 | Steve__ | that's the bit i'm after |
| 21:35.07 | Stskeeps | oh, i'd have loved to see that one |
| 21:35.25 | Stskeeps | (i actually made pypy run once on maemo.. long ago) |
| 21:35.30 | jott | it was just 4 minutes |
| 21:35.53 | Stskeeps | still :P |
| 21:35.53 | woglinde | hehe |
| 21:35.59 | woglinde | lightning talk? |
| 21:36.00 | jott | better talk to the actual people |
| 21:36.06 | jott | yeah woglinde |
| 21:36.54 | jott | it was more of a promotion talk than a content talk |
| 21:37.04 | Steve__ | i wanted to go, but couldn't change flights |
| 21:37.15 | woglinde | I thought this lightning talks for |
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| 21:37.54 | jott | woglinde: yeah just to make it clear |
| 21:38.53 | lcuk | brb |
| 21:39.05 | Steve__ | Stskeeps: how did you get it to run? i'm having real trouble getting impacket and pcapy packaged up |
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| 21:42.00 | Stskeeps | Steve__: pypy? through scratchbox mostly and some hacks |
| 21:42.11 | Stskeeps | long long time ago |
| 21:42.13 | woglinde | hm first android cellphone next tuesday |
| 21:42.25 | Steve__ | hmm |
| 21:43.52 | woglinde | only 200 bucks |
| 21:44.14 | jott | htc announced it for 23th, right? |
| 21:44.18 | mgedmin810 | waah my browser just crashed |
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| 21:44.38 | woglinde | yes next tuesday is 23th |
| 21:44.44 | woglinde | and t-kom usa annouced it |
| 21:44.55 | jott | 23 has to be the date ;) |
| 21:45.54 | jott | can remember 23s |
| 21:45.59 | lardman | bed time, night all |
| 21:46.01 | woglinde | hm maybee the htc dream will have eabi |
| 21:46.09 | woglinde | nite lardman |
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| 21:49.47 | GeneralAntilles | 23th is the day of the server upgrades, too. |
| 21:50.13 | woglinde | GeneralAntilles hehe |
| 21:50.19 | mgedmin810 | upgrade all yr srvrs to android phones1 |
| 21:50.37 | woglinde | lol |
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| 21:51.41 | Steve__ | http://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceball.gif |
| 21:51.53 | towo | oh, look |
| 21:51.58 | Steve__ | grr |
| 21:51.59 | towo | It's the image flickr puts in front of photos |
| 21:52.16 | Steve__ | http://www.flickr.com/photos/thoughtfix/2869591803/in/set-72157607375406663/ |
| 21:52.27 | Steve__ | is it just me, or is that a bit of a sausage-fest? |
| 21:52.51 | GeneralAntilles | It's a Linux conference, what do you expect? |
| 21:53.07 | Steve__ | very true |
| 21:54.30 | crashanddie | http://www.flickr.com/photos/thoughtfix/2869594903/in/set-72157607375406663/ |
| 21:54.33 | crashanddie | interesting |
| 21:56.04 | GeneralAntilles | Stands to be very slick |
| 21:56.09 | Steve__ | http://www.flickr.com/photos/thoughtfix/2869588939/in/set-72157607375406663/ |
| 21:56.11 | GeneralAntilles | too bad it's 6-8 months away. |
| 21:56.11 | Steve__ | more interesting |
| 21:56.19 | GeneralAntilles | I was ready for OMAP3 when the N810 came out. . . . |
| 21:56.31 | GeneralAntilles | Creeper |
| 21:56.41 | Steve__ | heh |
| 21:57.48 | yacoob | uh, timidity for maemo... |
| 21:57.59 | yacoob | why on earth would I want to use it? 8) |
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| 22:00.41 | crashanddie | Any videos/reports about the summit so far? |
| 22:01.02 | GeneralAntilles | There are plenty of reports. |
| 22:01.06 | GeneralAntilles | Not many videos, though. |
| 22:01.12 | GeneralAntilles | Those are, apparently, coming next week. |
| 22:01.52 | crashanddie | blhttp://flickr.com/photos/sjgadsby/2869746283/in/set-72157607344621047/eh |
| 22:01.55 | crashanddie | hmm |
| 22:02.00 | crashanddie | that wasn't supposed to happen |
| 22:02.04 | crashanddie | "bleh" |
| 22:02.39 | jott | crashanddie: there where some private video cams around. probably takes some time to process |
| 22:02.53 | crashanddie | jott, no official recordings? |
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| 22:03.01 | jott | no |
| 22:03.05 | GeneralAntilles | baloo is transcoding his HD stuff on Monday. |
| 22:03.14 | crashanddie | we'll have to take of that for the next time |
| 22:05.04 | woglinde | nite |
| 22:05.51 | crashanddie | For the next con, I want at least: live audio feed, talkers get mic, viewers that ask questions get mic, everything is recorded, at least one video recording the whole room, possibly another filming the talkers, and real plus would be access to the video out on the laptop |
| 22:06.10 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
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| 22:06.24 | GeneralAntilles | C-SPAN coverage of the event? |
| 22:06.31 | crashanddie | lol |
| 22:06.37 | crashanddie | not C-SPAN |
| 22:06.39 | jott | hey you got live irc coverage what do you expect more ;) |
| 22:06.53 | crashanddie | But well, HOPE manages to do this kind of shit |
| 22:06.59 | crashanddie | I'd expect Nokia to be able to do the same |
| 22:07.08 | crashanddie | And I have all the hardware back in France |
| 22:07.12 | crashanddie | it's just a matter of transporting it |
| 22:07.16 | jott | connecting people?! |
| 22:07.34 | GeneralAntilles | Connecting creepers on the internet to Linux conferences. |
| 22:08.05 | crashanddie | "Next week, on 'Life of Ryan'" |
| 22:08.21 | jott | i'll have to look for rm_you ... |
| 22:08.33 | crashanddie | "Well, I was trying to get the beagle board running, and suddenly, it all went dark" |
| 22:10.09 | GeneralAntilles | jott, conference room. . . . |
| 22:10.39 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, that sounds like it should be a Monty Python production. :P |
| 22:11.21 | yacoob | anyone tried using mokopedia on n8x0? |
| 22:11.25 | jott | GeneralAntilles: the mans conference room, eh? |
| 22:11.39 | GeneralAntilles | jott, no, leave him in it. ;) |
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| 22:12.10 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, that's actually a real show |
| 22:12.38 | GeneralAntilles | Well shiver me timbers. |
| 22:12.39 | GeneralAntilles | That it is. |
| 22:12.43 | crashanddie | http://www.surfthechannel.com/info/television/Life_Of_Ryan/56871/S2E5.html?aid=214095 |
| 22:12.44 | crashanddie | proof |
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| 23:04.37 | dystopia | talkers get mic <- uhm, yes, duh? :-) |
| 23:04.56 | dystopia | i mean else the rest in the room can't even freakin' hear the Q |
| 23:05.49 | Steve__ | pardon? |
| 23:06.54 | dystopia | on a conference the person who is speaking must have a microphone one way or another |
| 23:07.22 | Steve__ | indeed |
| 23:07.26 | dystopia | else hardly everyone in the room (especially those sitting behind the questioner) cannot head him |
| 23:07.40 | Steve__ | what's the context? |
| 23:07.44 | dystopia | nor can anyone who watches vid (because camera is in back of room) |
| 23:07.55 | dystopia | 00:06 < crashanddie> For the next con, I want at least: live audio feed, talkers get mic, viewers that ask questions get mic, everything is recorded, at least one video recording the whole room, possibly another filming the talkers, and real plus would be access to the video out on the laptop |
| 23:08.27 | Steve__ | ah yes |
| 23:08.44 | dystopia | im already superglad with the reports thus far dont get me wrong |
| 23:08.47 | crashanddie | dystopia, what I meant by that, is that the sound is to be recorded |
| 23:09.08 | crashanddie | dystopia, not just channelled to some speakers so the crowd can hear |
| 23:09.13 | dystopia | its just, for the people on the conference, its rather sad they can't follow.. the conference they're attending? :-) |
| 23:09.42 | dystopia | yeayea.. perhaps.. maybe we should have gone to there.. its nokia's loss, mostly;-) |
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| 23:10.03 | dystopia | but those ppl on the conference.. they there.. can't even hear the question.. LOL.. had this on FOSDEM a few times.. |
| 23:10.10 | bucketj | have a question about installing microb-browser |
| 23:10.17 | dystopia | microphone getting past allong the whole room :-) |
| 23:10.21 | bucketj | i get two dependency errors |
| 23:10.26 | dystopia | pass it on :-) |
| 23:10.28 | bucketj | maemo-browser-dialogs and maemo-browser-widgets |
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| 23:10.39 | bucketj | where can i get these packages? |
| 23:10.46 | GeneralAntilles | bucketj, install on what? |
| 23:11.04 | bucketj | i'm trying to install the mozilla browser here: |
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| 23:11.05 | crashanddie | dystopia, it's usually better practice to have a stand with mic people walk up to in order to ask a question |
| 23:11.05 | dystopia | crashanddie: so, it is a different issue than the fact we got no live material other than text reports |
| 23:11.05 | bucketj | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/microb-browser/ |
| 23:11.13 | bucketj | and when i try to install it says two packages are missing |
| 23:11.24 | bucketj | and it's maemo-browser-widgets and maemo-browser-dialogs |
| 23:11.30 | bucketj | but i don't know where to find those |
| 23:11.30 | dystopia | crashanddie: yes, possisble, but some folks dont like to stand before a crowd |
| 23:11.48 | crashanddie | dystopia, I can't be arsed to think of that, frankly |
| 23:11.54 | crashanddie | dystopia, you ask a question, you stand up |
| 23:12.09 | dystopia | stand up, sure, but stand before crowd is different |
| 23:12.13 | Steve__ | why should they stand up and walk to a mike to ask a question? |
| 23:12.19 | crashanddie | bucketj, first question, why are you even trying to install the browser? Don't you have the browser installed ? |
| 23:12.40 | bucketj | i have the opera one that the 770 came with |
| 23:12.45 | dystopia | crashanddie: maybe if you had general anxiety disorder you'd understand :-) |
| 23:12.46 | bucketj | now i'm trying to install the mozilla-based one |
| 23:12.47 | crashanddie | Steve__, because it solves the problem of having to pass the mic through the whole room? |
| 23:13.04 | crashanddie | bucketj, Nokia 770 right? |
| 23:13.10 | bucketj | yeah |
| 23:13.14 | bucketj | running os2007HE |
| 23:13.14 | Steve__ | why not have someone walking around with the mic, handing it to the person who wants to ask the question? |
| 23:13.14 | dystopia | is drunk :0) |
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| 23:13.29 | dystopia | throw a wireless mic through the crowd |
| 23:13.49 | dystopia | whoever lets it fall on ground stays to clean the building till its clean :-) |
| 23:13.53 | crashanddie | wireless mic == expensive and impractical in my experience |
| 23:14.05 | dystopia | headset + sip :D |
| 23:14.17 | GeneralAntilles | bucketj, the newer releases of OS2007HE already come with MicroB. . . . |
| 23:14.33 | bucketj | i just downloaded a new release yesterday and didn't come with it |
| 23:14.33 | bucketj | huh |
| 23:14.45 | dystopia | don't take me too serious im bit wasted;lddddd |
| 23:14.50 | dystopia | hhii |
| 23:14.54 | Steve__ | crashanddie: impractical, how? |
| 23:15.12 | bucketj | oh. ha. so it is. |
| 23:15.18 | AStorm | wireless mics are very practical |
| 23:15.19 | bucketj | then why doesn't google reader or google mail load properly |
| 23:15.29 | AStorm | and not too expensive |
| 23:15.42 | GeneralAntilles | bucketj, because they're big heavy js applications? |
| 23:15.44 | AStorm | less expensive than gearing chairs with mics |
| 23:15.57 | bucketj | well i thought that was the point of microb |
| 23:16.00 | GeneralAntilles | I say we gear AStorm with a mic and walk him around. |
| 23:16.03 | crashanddie | Steve__, battery fails, poor signal, can be stolen |
| 23:16.04 | AStorm | bucketj: you want more RAM for those, n770 is failing at it |
| 23:16.07 | GeneralAntilles | bucketj, the 770 is old. |
| 23:16.12 | GeneralAntilles | Enable swap. |
| 23:16.13 | bucketj | true |
| 23:16.15 | AStorm | uhm, yes, s/n770/770/ |
| 23:16.20 | AStorm | yes, you need more swap |
| 23:16.22 | bucketj | how do i enable swap |
| 23:16.25 | crashanddie | google |
| 23:16.26 | AStorm | and it will work *slow* |
| 23:16.40 | GeneralAntilles | It's in Control panel. |
| 23:17.02 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles: paying me is more expensive |
| 23:17.09 | crashanddie | I don't see the problem with having a centralised stand where people go ask a question |
| 23:17.16 | GeneralAntilles | Pfft. Pay? |
| 23:17.20 | AStorm | but anyway, you still need someone to give that mic |
| 23:17.32 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, increasing the barrier to entry for asking questions is a bad plan. |
| 23:17.32 | AStorm | throwing mics destroys them quickly |
| 23:17.32 | Steve__ | it's impractical |
| 23:17.36 | AStorm | and can cause accidents |
| 23:17.47 | crashanddie | what the? |
| 23:18.05 | AStorm | a good idea is to have a few stationary wired mics |
| 23:18.12 | AStorm | so that interested people can come to them |
| 23:18.22 | crashanddie | AStorm, exactly what I said |
| 23:18.25 | AStorm | usually works well-enough |
| 23:18.25 | crashanddie | thank you |
| 23:18.38 | AStorm | worse than wireless mics of course :> |
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| 23:19.46 | AStorm | crashanddie: be sure to have the mixer or preamp somewhere close |
| 23:19.56 | AStorm | to enable/disable them at will |
| 23:20.02 | AStorm | or some sound guy |
| 23:20.14 | crashanddie | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=jMKRnea_3rE |
| 23:20.19 | crashanddie | no problem |
| 23:21.03 | AStorm | people tend to mess up when faced with switches on mics |
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| 23:23.05 | crashanddie | AStorm, I'm an experienced sound engineer, like I said, I have the equipment, I'd love to take of it the next time |
| 23:23.50 | AStorm | crashanddie: excellent |
| 23:23.54 | Steve__ | crashanddie: did you go to the maemo summit? |
| 23:24.02 | Steve__ | are you at* |
| 23:24.03 | crashanddie | I didn't |
| 23:24.09 | crashanddie | sadly |
| 23:24.26 | crashanddie | take care of it** |
| 23:25.20 | crashanddie | AStorm, the biggest problem of course, would be getting the equipment to the next conference |
| 23:25.52 | GeneralAntilles | Bet you can talk Nokia into it. |
| 23:25.58 | crashanddie | AStorm, if the conference is over a 1000 km from southern france, it'll probably be cheaper to rent stuff |
| 23:26.17 | bucketj | the html version of gmail works pretty well |
| 23:26.18 | AStorm | pity I won't be able to go there :/ |
| 23:26.35 | AStorm | going 1000 km far in the middle of day studies is hard |
| 23:26.56 | AStorm | unless I'll get international exchange there... but I don't know French ;P |
| 23:27.30 | crashanddie | I don't know how much it weighs, but I'd say something around 150-200kg, so carrying it with me on a plane is impossible |
| 23:27.48 | AStorm | treat it as baggage |
| 23:28.05 | AStorm | but then, it may arrive later than you or such stuff |
| 23:28.06 | crashanddie | lol |
| 23:28.14 | crashanddie | 200kg == 400lb |
| 23:28.20 | AStorm | I know |
| 23:28.23 | Steve__ | travel light? |
| 23:28.43 | AStorm | it will cost a fortune anyway ;P |
| 23:28.48 | crashanddie | that's my whole point |
| 23:29.22 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, you should be able to lug that around no problem, Mr. Buff. :P |
| 23:29.22 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, haha |
| 23:29.22 | AStorm | eh, 200 kg on wheels is easy enough |
| 23:29.26 | crashanddie | the problem isn't so much the weight |
| 23:29.27 | AStorm | but needs a few persons to move |
| 23:29.36 | AStorm | at least 2 |
| 23:29.38 | crashanddie | it's the sheer size |
| 23:29.39 | bucketj | can the 770 take two mem cards? |
| 23:29.47 | bucketj | is there a slot for one internally? |
| 23:29.53 | AStorm | bucketj: yes |
| 23:29.59 | bucketj | under the battery or what? |
| 23:30.02 | AStorm | yes |
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| 23:30.21 | GeneralAntilles | lol? |
| 23:30.29 | GeneralAntilles | AStorm, the 770 just has one RS-MMC slot. :P |
| 23:30.36 | bucketj | that's what i figured |
| 23:30.38 | AStorm | hmm, ok, I failed |
| 23:30.41 | AStorm | n800 has two |
| 23:30.42 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 23:30.46 | GeneralAntilles | 50 lashings! |
| 23:30.46 | AStorm | ;P |
| 23:30.50 | bucketj | i guess the 2007 HE is just assuming i'm on an 800 or something |
| 23:31.05 | AStorm | it is hacked version of n800 software, yes |
| 23:31.33 | crashanddie | renting out a decent equipment for a few days will probably cost you around 1200-2000euro, maybe a bit more depending on the size of the place you have to rig |
| 23:31.51 | crashanddie | but if I can't drive to it, renting will definitely be cheaper that moving it around |
| 23:32.04 | Steve__ | http://cnettv.cnet.com/9742-1_53-50003669.html |
| 23:32.05 | crashanddie | in other words, do the next con in Paris |
| 23:32.11 | Steve__ | this would be impressive on the tablets |
| 23:32.33 | crashanddie | Steve__, I have a version that works pretty well |
| 23:32.39 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, make Nokia pay. |
| 23:33.07 | crashanddie | Steve__, I just need to work on the algorithm a bit more, I wanted a very ugly version working fast |
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| 23:33.36 | Steve__ | what you writing in? |
| 23:33.39 | crashanddie | lcuk is also working on it, within liqbase |
| 23:33.58 | crashanddie | Steve__, mine is just basic C++ with SDL graphics |
| 23:34.04 | melmoth | next.con.in.paris++ |
| 23:34.10 | Steve__ | cool |
| 23:34.19 | bucketj | when you enable swap on the 770 |
| 23:34.28 | bucketj | does it extend the memory to the mmc card? |
| 23:34.34 | crashanddie | bucketj, yup |
| 23:34.41 | AStorm | you could call it that |
| 23:35.12 | Steve__ | i've never really got into C++ |
| 23:36.49 | AStorm | crashanddie: it's RIPOFF |
| 23:36.52 | robink | How do you reflash the kernel portion of the initfs? I want to see if I can get ipv6.ko to autoload again. |
| 23:36.53 | AStorm | that's what dasher does |
| 23:37.16 | GeneralAntilles | robink, kernel isn't part of initfs. |
| 23:37.22 | robink | oops |
| 23:37.22 | crashanddie | AStorm, yeah, it's ripoff, so fucking what? |
| 23:37.24 | GeneralAntilles | ~flasher |
| 23:37.25 | infobot | flasher is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher |
| 23:37.54 | robink | I just want a modules.dep. |
| 23:38.03 | AStorm | crashanddie: I want that for keyboard |
| 23:38.11 | AStorm | with 10 keys |
| 23:38.29 | AStorm | could almost be like chorded keyboard for words |
| 23:38.50 | crashanddie | wait, what? |
| 23:39.16 | AStorm | crashanddie: ok, it sucks too |
| 23:39.26 | crashanddie | I lost ya |
| 23:39.29 | AStorm | it is a standard dictionary-based system |
| 23:39.35 | AStorm | non-dynamic |
| 23:39.43 | AStorm | T9 for touchscreen |
| 23:39.48 | AStorm | = fail |
| 23:40.03 | GeneralAntilles | robink, if you're talking about the kernel modules on the initfs, just remount /mnt/initfs rw |
| 23:40.20 | robink | GeneralAntilles: Ahh. |
| 23:40.31 | robink | GeneralAntilles: That'll fix things? |
| 23:40.39 | GeneralAntilles | You've got about 2MB to play with on Diablo. |
| 23:40.50 | AStorm | crashanddie: and I suspect some equally pointless lawyer will enable that to be patented |
| 23:40.53 | GeneralAntilles | Well, assuming you're going to go into the initfs to fix whatever you did. |
| 23:40.57 | GeneralAntilles | I don't know what you broke. :P |
| 23:41.04 | AStorm | gah |
| 23:41.06 | crashanddie | AStorm, we have a visual keyboard |
| 23:41.15 | crashanddie | AStorm, and Apple had a patent on that IIRC |
| 23:41.32 | AStorm | yes, done with Newton |
| 23:41.33 | AStorm | :) |
| 23:41.38 | robink | GeneralAntilles: Maemo clobbered modules.dep when I upgraded the kernel modules. |
| 23:41.43 | AStorm | but they messed the application up |
| 23:41.54 | AStorm | so it ended up more specific than just a visual touchscreen keyboard |
| 23:42.50 | AStorm | anyway, we could take the idea further |
| 23:43.10 | AStorm | create a 2D dasher-like system |
| 23:43.36 | AStorm | with flashy rectangles-in-your-face look too :> |
| 23:44.12 | AStorm | just an adaptive optimization of standard keyboard |
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| 23:45.01 | AStorm | where predicted letters get bigger screen area |
| 23:45.47 | AStorm | bonus if it's thumb-optimized |
| 23:46.00 | AStorm | I suspect someone has patented that already anyway |
| 23:46.09 | AStorm | if not, I'll try that ;P |
| 23:47.39 | AStorm | that swipe is no better than dasher which uses whole words |
| 23:48.09 | AStorm | (except the vertigo part, which is easily solvable) |
| 23:58.59 | robink | Anybody know why a modules upgrade would blow away modules.dep? |
