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| 00:51.13 | timeless | can someone please help me? |
| 00:51.20 | timeless | i'm getting an error from some part of apt |
| 00:52.13 | timeless | i'm doing: apt-get update |
| 00:52.32 | timeless | and i get: Unable to parse package file /path/something-armel_Packages |
| 00:56.15 | elekt | whoa 4 minute lag |
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| 01:27.30 | lcuk | crashanddie, you about? |
| 01:27.48 | timeless | sp3000: ok, script seems to be doing something :) |
| 01:27.58 | lcuk | timeless, are you goin to the summit |
| 01:28.07 | timeless | i fly in a few hours |
| 01:28.42 | lcuk | i dont leave for another 24h |
| 01:28.55 | lcuk | nervous? |
| 01:28.57 | timeless | an assistant booked the flight for me |
| 01:29.01 | lcuk | or lookin forward to it |
| 01:29.05 | timeless | about giving a presentation w/o any prep? |
| 01:29.09 | timeless | oh sure, i look forward to it |
| 01:29.15 | timeless | i can't wait for one of us to be skewered |
| 01:29.16 | timeless | ... |
| 01:29.17 | lcuk | heh, ive not written mine either yet :) |
| 01:29.33 | timeless | do you know anything about the place where the presentations will be? |
| 01:29.35 | lcuk | but i know exactly the path im taking this time |
| 01:29.41 | lcuk | not a damned clue |
| 01:29.56 | lcuk | i know some of the people setting it up have been in |
| 01:29.59 | timeless | anyway, my script is doing "something" |
| 01:30.17 | lcuk | we have requested a special display stand - an overhead camera for showing nokias on big screen |
| 01:30.34 | timeless | ah, good, i was wondering about that |
| 01:30.43 | lcuk | i *need* that ;) |
| 01:30.45 | timeless | what about support for powerpoint/whiteboards? |
| 01:30.55 | lcuk | BOYLT |
| 01:31.00 | timeless | should find a device w/ a modern version of the platform |
| 01:31.01 | lcuk | BYOLT even |
| 01:31.03 | timeless | BOYLT? |
| 01:31.16 | lcuk | they will have one there a desktop machine setup for presentations though i believe |
| 01:31.21 | lcuk | bring your own |
| 01:31.55 | lcuk | but cant be guaranteed i dont think |
| 01:32.13 | lcuk | at linuxtag everyone took their own |
| 01:32.53 | timeless | ok, what if i just want a whiteboard instead of using a laptop? :) |
| 01:32.58 | lcuk | anyway, its bed time |
| 01:33.02 | timeless | isn't really a fan of powerpoint |
| 01:33.10 | lcuk | crashanddie, if you wake up, check your mails, theres a package waiting |
| 01:33.11 | timeless | it should be packing time for me |
| 01:34.20 | lcuk | have a safe journey timeless, ill see you there |
| 01:34.33 | timeless | wonders if they provide name tags |
| 01:34.35 | timeless | and thanks :) |
| 01:35.15 | lcuk | best had do - i want a collection |
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| 01:45.08 | gregorovius_ | sorry, my connection dropped, did my question make it through? |
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| 01:57.58 | AFBN810 | Hey |
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| 02:17.15 | gregorovius | is it possible that the upnp plugin for canola is making it stay more active and consume more battery even in offline mode? |
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| 02:42.20 | timeless | cool new problem |
| 02:42.27 | timeless | i'm not allowed to get sources for closed binaries :) |
| 02:42.40 | summatusmentis | go figure |
| 02:42.59 | timeless | summatusmentis: i'm inside nokia's firewall |
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| 02:43.17 | summatusmentis | oh, you normally have access? |
| 02:43.26 | summatusmentis | that's different |
| 02:43.29 | timeless | well, um... depends on your definition of normally |
| 02:43.38 | timeless | historically these packages were posted as binaries w/o sources |
| 02:43.49 | timeless | now there are source packages and the build system builds them |
| 02:43.56 | timeless | but it limits who's allowed to get the source packages |
| 02:45.52 | summatusmentis | I see |
| 02:46.08 | timeless | it's actually progress |
| 02:47.07 | summatusmentis | you couldn't get the source before, you can't get the source now... how is that progress? |
| 02:47.24 | timeless | at least the same system that builds most packages builds their packages |
| 02:47.34 | timeless | which means there are fewer variables in the build system |
| 02:47.49 | summatusmentis | that's fair :) |
| 02:49.03 | timeless | i should figure out what to do |
| 02:49.15 | timeless | because right now those packages give 0 representation |
| 02:49.26 | timeless | where it might be nice to at least ICK |
| 02:49.52 | timeless | dpkg-source: error: cannot open .dsc file ./libgc_1:6.6-2osso2.dsc: No such file or directory |
| 02:50.00 | timeless | "that's not right" :( |
| 02:53.12 | timeless | odd, libncurces-dev isn't listed as a missing package here |
| 02:53.16 | timeless | wonders if it was already fixed |
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| 02:56.05 | timeless | actually, i think it's about time for me to go to the airport |
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| 03:38.31 | timeless | ok, interesting failure case: |
| 03:38.33 | timeless | rsync: open "/home/timeless/xref/autoconf/tests/acc.at" failed: Permission denied (13) |
| 03:39.03 | timeless | the file is -r--r--r-- |
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| 03:43.16 | dystopia | rsync is a lying scumbag:-) |
| 03:44.34 | timeless | nah, it's doing what i told it to do |
| 03:44.40 | timeless | the question then is... why did i tell it to do that? |
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| 04:01.41 | zpol | night |
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| 04:14.27 | timeless | cries |
| 04:15.43 | gregorovius | hugs timeless |
| 04:15.54 | gregorovius | poor dev... |
| 04:16.27 | timeless | my script collected something like 150/900 items |
| 04:17.12 | timeless | 175/950 v 400 for the previous script |
| 04:17.26 | timeless | so instead of doubling, i've lost more than 50% |
| 04:17.42 | gregorovius | which way is the good way? |
| 04:17.52 | timeless | 950 is what i want |
| 04:17.52 | gregorovius | (i've no idea what you're doing) |
| 04:18.00 | timeless | although i'm not sure that's a correct number |
| 04:18.10 | timeless | mostly bigger is better |
| 04:18.35 | gregorovius | ups, gotta go |
| 04:18.44 | gregorovius | good luck with those numbers growing =) |
| 04:18.56 | timeless | i'm making something like http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/source/ |
| 04:19.03 | timeless | except for something after chinook |
| 04:42.02 | RST38h | yawn |
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| 04:51.58 | Pavlov | hey, is it possible to replace the screen on an n810? |
| 04:52.10 | Pavlov | like, when the lcd seems to have gotten cracked on the one you use? |
| 04:52.44 | dystopia | contact nokia support to get it fixed |
| 04:53.35 | johnx_ | funny you should mention that...I just saw a place with n810 parts referenced on ITT. I can't vouch for them, though: http://www.mytrendyphone.com/shop/search-1.html?keyword=nokia%20n810 |
| 04:54.03 | Pavlov | dunno how it got cracked but its right through the screen |
| 04:54.55 | Pavlov | mm |
| 04:54.56 | Pavlov | fun! |
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| 05:47.27 | Stskeeps | yawns loudly |
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| 05:47.42 | Stskeeps | morning qwerty12 |
| 05:47.49 | qwerty12 | hi Stskeeps |
| 05:48.21 | Stskeeps | http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet/browser/trunk/packages/non-free/cx3110x-umac-module/debian/rules <- worst hack ever |
| 05:48.41 | Stskeeps | a debian package that can be built without dpkg-buildpackage, just debian/rules binary binary-arch |
| 05:48.44 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 05:49.07 | qwerty12 | lol :P, dpkg-deb in a rules file... :P |
| 05:49.19 | Stskeeps | well that's actually indirectly what's done really |
| 05:49.28 | Stskeeps | dh_builddeb does similar things |
| 05:49.47 | Stskeeps | and a rules files is actually deep down just a makefile |
| 05:49.51 | qwerty12 | also just realised that that isn't a debian rules file. /me wakes up :) |
| 05:50.14 | qwerty12 | Oh, wait, now I see the title. I'm wasted :P |
| 05:50.17 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 05:50.38 | Stskeeps | im having breakfast right now too to wake up :P |
| 05:51.18 | qwerty12 | I'll have to resort to whacking myself with a bottle :P |
| 05:52.13 | qwerty12 | + I'm attempting to modify some code. If you have my "skills", not a good idea @ this time >.< |
| 05:52.39 | Stskeeps | but my build-on-tablet process is much saner now.. apt-get -d source <non-free module>, tar -zxf <non-free-module>*.tar.gz, cd <non-free-module>, debian/rules binary binary-arch |
| 05:52.46 | Stskeeps | and just requires make as an dependancy |
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| 06:20.20 | dystopia | hello rm_you, you lil wardriver :-) |
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| 06:23.02 | user__ | hi |
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| 06:43.31 | rm_you | lol |
| 06:43.44 | rm_you | heading to osim now >_> |
| 06:44.04 | Stskeeps | have fun |
| 06:44.11 | Stskeeps | report live ;) |
| 06:45.58 | dystopia | enjoy rm_you!! |
| 06:46.03 | dystopia | how do you like berlin thus far ? |
| 06:46.21 | dystopia | (probably drunk already ehh? :P) |
| 06:46.34 | dystopia | ari's talk is in 3 hrs |
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| 07:17.28 | aquatix | morning all |
| 07:17.43 | solmumaha | morning |
| 07:22.24 | jsmanrique | morning |
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| 07:30.57 | Jaffa | lo from OSiM |
| 07:32.27 | jott | hello jaffa. so you got wlan for live coverage? :) |
| 07:33.03 | Jaffa | If you want to know, apparently, about the next Maemo device (maybe not called an "Internet Tablet"), look at the flood of patches sent last night to linux-kernel |
| 07:33.08 | jsmanrique | Jaffa: is there any streaming from the conference |
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| 07:33.36 | jsmanrique | ? |
| 07:33.40 | Jaffa | Not from OSiM, AFAIK |
| 07:34.10 | Jaffa | I'll be typing here during Ari Jaaksi's keynote, though. |
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| 07:35.17 | jsmanrique | Jaffa: ok, it is at 11:45, isn't it? |
| 07:35.56 | jsmanrique | Jaffa: so, maemo "next device" is more than a rumour? |
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| 07:39.24 | Jaffa | jsmanrique: 09:55 \âGMT - about 1.25 hours |
| 07:40.03 | Khertan | Hi ! |
| 07:40.27 | jsmanrique | hi Khertan |
| 07:40.48 | jsmanrique | Jaffa: we need a bingo card, similar to Apple's keynote ones :-D |
| 07:41.02 | Jaffa | :) |
| 07:41.09 | Khertan | Jaffa: do you have a link of this commit web log ? |
| 07:41.28 | jsmanrique | Jaffa: yes, is there a link to that commits? |
| 07:41.48 | Jaffa | no, not found it yet - bit tricky to pin it down on an $810 |
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| 07:41.56 | jsmanrique | maybe fremantle will be presented today |
| 07:42.17 | Jaffa | Should be |
| 07:42.28 | GeneralAntilles | http://source.mvista.com/git/gitweb.cgi?p=linux-omap-2.6.git;a=summary |
| 07:42.32 | GeneralAntilles | That's normally what I watch. |
| 07:42.53 | rm_you | woot |
| 07:43.01 | inz | Jaffa, that's one cool flood, especially the bits like "Fixed OMAP3 version check" and "debobs support for OMAP3430" |
| 07:43.02 | Khertan | thx GeneralAntilles |
| 07:43.04 | rm_you | at osim booth |
| 07:43.27 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, get a demo going with VGB and a Wiimote. :D |
| 07:43.35 | Jaffa | rm_you: with Reggie and rogers in Android keynote |
| 07:44.49 | Khertan | many OMAP3 fixes ... |
| 07:44.52 | Khertan | interesting |
| 07:45.05 | Jaffa | Some of the audio layer may have been closed because of lots of stuff in there which'd make sense only in a certain context |
| 07:45.53 | Khertan | ARM: OMAP: Split omap2 cpu detection into 24xx and 34xx specific functions |
| 07:45.56 | Khertan | :) |
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| 07:49.15 | jsmanrique | and some gumstix and beagleboard related stuff... |
| 07:50.17 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, lotta that. |
| 07:50.27 | GeneralAntilles | Though most of that hacking isn't in mainline yet. |
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| 07:51.50 | GeneralAntilles | http://source.mvista.com/git/gitweb.cgi?p=linux-omap-2.6.git;a=commit;h=de1121fdb899f762b9e717f44eaf3fae7c00cd3e |
| 07:52.08 | GeneralAntilles | SGX == PowerVR |
| 07:53.37 | Jaffa | Rumour here so far: including some phone component, massively more powerful, 32GB storage, massively multimedia oriented, not called an "Internet Tablet" |
| 07:53.51 | GeneralAntilles | Phone? |
| 07:53.54 | GeneralAntilles | :shudder: |
| 07:54.13 | jsmanrique | Jaffa: Maemo phone? |
| 07:54.26 | johnx_ | GeneralAntilles, remember wwan != phone |
| 07:54.44 | GeneralAntilles | johnx_, anything cellular is bad news in my book. |
| 07:54.49 | Jaffa | As long aas it's not more expensive, more restrictive and still has BT connection as Tier1 |
| 07:55.13 | lcuk | and a kb |
| 07:55.31 | Jaffa | agreed |
| 07:55.42 | GeneralAntilles | I'd rather not have the keyboard, myself. ;) |
| 07:55.55 | Jaffa | tsk, shush you |
| 07:56.20 | GeneralAntilles | ~flashing |
| 07:56.21 | infobot | somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 07:56.23 | dystopia | Jaffa: thank you for the update! |
| 07:56.56 | Jaffa | will get my laptop out for the Maemo keynote fror faster typing |
| 07:57.10 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, watch, it'll be a UMPC with an Atom. |
| 07:57.55 | Jaffa | heh |
| 07:57.56 | johnx_ | GeneralAntilles, with an n96 glued to the back :D |
| 07:58.01 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 07:58.04 | GeneralAntilles | "component" |
| 07:58.13 | GeneralAntilles | "That'll be $2499 please" |
| 07:58.50 | GeneralAntilles | johnx_, they'll provide a little 3-inch USB dongle for the N96 for faster tethering. ;) |
| 07:59.28 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, have you converted all the demo units to only demo Advanced Backlight yet? |
| 07:59.53 | jsmanrique | no, please, keep the price low :-D |
| 08:00.08 | Jaffa | now has to associate rm_you nick, name and face |
| 08:00.20 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, go hit him with a stick for me. |
| 08:00.27 | jsmanrique | is there any info from nokia related sources about new devices? |
| 08:00.32 | jsmanrique | maybe, a good camera? |
| 08:00.36 | GeneralAntilles | jsmanrique, no. |
| 08:00.43 | GeneralAntilles | "Nokia does not announce future hardware plans" |
| 08:01.01 | Jaffa | Two hours (sorry, got time wrong) |
| 08:01.02 | GeneralAntilles | Basically, like got a lot of incredibly irritating cheeky laughter from a rat in Texas |
| 08:01.05 | johnx_ | jsmanrique, just lurk and watch or dig through the logs for the channel |
| 08:01.23 | GeneralAntilles | and a lot of OMAP3-related commits to linux-omap from @nokia folks. |
| 08:01.38 | GeneralAntilles | s/Basically, like/Basically, we've/ |
| 08:01.51 | Stskeeps | anything popping up on freedesktop stuff? (xorg) |
| 08:02.12 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, I suppose it's a possibility, I haven't been paying attention, though. |
| 08:02.18 | Jaffa | Oh, other rumour: no new device before xmas |
| 08:02.22 | rm_you | lol |
| 08:02.40 | rm_you | Jaffa: where are you? still android? |
| 08:02.41 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, that one makes sense. |
| 08:02.59 | jsmanrique | Jaffa: yes, that would make sense |
| 08:03.08 | GeneralAntilles | OMAP3430 ES3.0 isn't shipping 'til November |
| 08:03.09 | Jaffa | rm_you: at front, now T-Mobile talking about how cool open stuff is |
| 08:03.20 | GeneralAntilles | and they've got to actually get it into the devices before they ship. |
| 08:03.23 | jsmanrique | new "devices" should come with "better" camera... |
| 08:03.40 | GeneralAntilles | Plus, everybody and his brother is going to be clamoring for the new OMAP3 silicon once its out. |
| 08:04.10 | jsmanrique | so, first there should be a new "OS" update |
| 08:04.45 | Jaffa | Fremantle won't be released without device, IMHO |
| 08:04.49 | GeneralAntilles | There'll be Fremantle alphas and betas in some form |
| 08:04.58 | GeneralAntilles | but I'm with Jaffa, it wont be coming without a new tablet. |
| 08:05.33 | rm_you | gonna have to move to ad-hoc to set up the mediaserv demo, so i'll have to drop offline |
| 08:05.59 | rm_you | this network is blocking like all traffic |
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| 08:06.38 | Jaffa | Oooh, there's going to be a mediaserv demo on the stand? |
| 08:06.53 | rm_you | i told you i would ;P |
| 08:07.09 | Jaffa | == proud (had forgotten ;-)) |
| 08:07.11 | rm_you | i seem to remember asking you if i could do it ;p |
| 08:07.26 | Jaffa | I remember now |
| 08:07.32 | rm_you | anyway, dropping off to get that set up |
| 08:07.56 | johnx_ | rm_you, good luck! |
| 08:08.02 | johnx_ | heads off to work |
| 08:08.13 | jsmanrique | why should fremantle come with a new device? |
| 08:08.24 | rm_you | Jaffa: drop by when you can :P |
| 08:08.28 | Jaffa | cos all new OS releases have |
| 08:08.42 | Jaffa | rm_you: will do (got my lanyard already) |
| 08:08.42 | jsmanrique | it works (or should work) in actual N810 devices (so, N800 too?) |
| 08:09.19 | jsmanrique | Jaffa: yes, that's true |
| 08:09.38 | Jaffa | bigger marketing splash |
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| 08:10.16 | jsmanrique | anyone knows if OH people (Mathew Allum i.e.) will be in Maemo Summit? |
| 08:10.47 | jsmanrique | how has Intel buying OH has affected that? |
| 08:10.57 | Jaffa | dunno |
| 08:11.07 | mgedmin | wasn't there a list of attendees somewhere? |
| 08:11.25 | Jaffa | on the main summit (non wiki) page |
| 08:11.45 | mgedmin | http://maemo.org/news/events/maemo_summit-001/ |
| 08:11.58 | mgedmin | Matthew Allum is there |
| 08:12.05 | jsmanrique | yes, I know |
| 08:12.53 | jsmanrique | just asking for an update, nothing else... |
| 08:13.10 | Jaffa | I'm sure he'll be asked |
| 08:13.12 | Stskeeps | someone whack him for _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_INPUT, as that makes most on screen input be monopolized to matchbox-wm |
| 08:13.16 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 08:14.32 | jsmanrique | http://tabletblog.com/2008/09/live-from-osim-last-internet-tablet.html |
| 08:15.17 | GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, any chance you could push XChat to Extras and just not the language packs for now? |
| 08:15.21 | Stskeeps | when is the talk btw? (in how many hours) |
| 08:15.30 | mgedmin | GeneralAntilles: promote, you mean? |
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| 08:15.37 | mgedmin | sounds like a great idea! |
| 08:15.42 | mgedmin | um, is that possible? |
| 08:15.53 | mgedmin | does promotion work on the binary package level, or the source package level? |
| 08:15.59 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: 1.5. Stay here for live updates |
| 08:16.07 | Jaffa | mgedmin: binary |
| 08:16.14 | Stskeeps | meh, means i'll have to skip lunch. hunger strike for new tablet |
| 08:16.14 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 08:16.15 | mgedmin | yay |
| 08:16.26 | Stskeeps | (.. or i could bring my tablet, hmm..) |
| 08:16.33 | Jaffa | (well, both - no recompilation) |
| 08:16.33 | mgedmin | "ending in name"? |
| 08:17.01 | Jaffa | "Interrnet Tablet" possibly being dropped |
| 08:17.03 | Stskeeps | it'll now be Token Ring Tablet |
| 08:17.07 | GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, push, promote, same thing. ;) |
| 08:17.10 | jsmanrique | does anyone knows qik service? |
| 08:17.58 | mgedmin | *sigh* maemo still slow as molasses |
| 08:17.58 | jsmanrique | if someone is at OSiM with a mobile phone with video camera and wlan, perhaps someone could publish a stream |
| 08:18.04 | mgedmin | and I don't even know what molasses are |
| 08:18.35 | mgedmin | GeneralAntilles: promoted |
| 08:19.05 | GeneralAntilles | Woo |
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| 08:22.21 | GeneralAntilles | tick-tick-tick-tick |
| 08:23.14 | GeneralAntilles | Interesting that the latest round of DSLRs have 720p |
| 08:24.42 | GeneralAntilles | and a 14.7 megapixel consumer cam for $400 |
| 08:24.46 | GeneralAntilles | Hellooooo, noise city. |
| 08:25.33 | Stskeeps | there should be a hunt for people with obvious unreleased tablets on OSiM ;) |
| 08:25.43 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 08:26.15 | GeneralAntilles | There's a "preview" presentation during the Summit from an @nokia person |
| 08:26.27 | GeneralAntilles | We've decided that lcuk is going to mug him for whatever tablet he's got. |
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| 08:30.17 | keesj | the standard trick is to listen to bt device names |
| 08:31.33 | sneakret | assuming they're discoverable |
| 08:31.42 | Pavlov | sounds nice |
| 08:31.49 | Pavlov | should have gone |
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| 08:33.21 | GeneralAntilles | Ha, stupid people moaning about MicroUSB being less durable than MiniUSB. |
| 08:34.15 | Alystair | wait another standard? |
| 08:34.25 | Stskeeps | keesj: yeah, especially since the tablets are called Nokiasomething |
| 08:34.31 | GeneralAntilles | It's smaller and more durable than MiniUSB |
| 08:34.40 | GeneralAntilles | Alystair, the N810 uses it. |
| 08:34.49 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.hellomotoq.com/forums/media/1648/microusb.jpg |
| 08:34.52 | GeneralAntilles | MicroUSB is on the right. |
| 08:34.57 | Alystair | oh wow |
| 08:35.01 | Alystair | cool. |
| 08:35.24 | Alystair | it IS a universal standard right? not another phone-charger like situation :) |
| 08:35.35 | GeneralAntilles | It's a USB standard, yes. |
| 08:35.47 | Alystair | Then I'm all for it! Hooray. |
| 08:36.29 | GeneralAntilles | The only real problem with it is that not many devices use it yet |
| 08:36.33 | GeneralAntilles | so it's hard to find cables. |
| 08:37.07 | GeneralAntilles | Whereas I've got about 6 MiniUSB cables just lying around behind my desk here. ;) |
| 08:38.53 | mgedmin | afaiu all new phones use it |
| 08:38.58 | mgedmin | or at least are supposed to |
| 08:45.00 | Jaffa | 1 hour to go |
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| 08:50.19 | Jaffa | just saw someone in the audience with a maemo.org lanyard put away a Psion 5mx. |
| 08:50.32 | Jaffa | Ticks all my boxes ;-) |
| 08:51.15 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 08:52.10 | Stskeeps | i had an old ass psion organizer.. i wonder where i left it |
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| 08:52.22 | Stskeeps | it worked still after what 10 years though |
| 08:52.39 | GeneralAntilles | Newton was my thing |
| 08:53.01 | Stskeeps | i always kinda wanted a newton in my childhood :P |
| 08:53.39 | Jaffa | Ditto. |
| 08:56.44 | Blafasel | How's osim so far? |
| 08:56.55 | GeneralAntilles | The Newton is pretty awesome. |
| 08:56.59 | Blafasel | And is there any plan for a pre-summit gathering? |
| 08:57.06 | Blafasel | Tomorrow night? |
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| 09:04.39 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=224533 |
| 09:04.43 | GeneralAntilles | That guy's in for a fun time. |
| 09:06.16 | Khertan | Rahhh ! I hate google docs ! |
| 09:06.37 | GeneralAntilles | 50 minutes |
| 09:07.37 | sneakret | what'd google docs do to you? |
| 09:08.02 | GeneralAntilles | Killed his family, clearly. |
| 09:08.15 | sneakret | I meant besides that. |
| 09:08.16 | Khertan | it have just kill my presentation |
| 09:08.27 | Khertan | for py2deb |
| 09:08.30 | sneakret | Ugh. |
| 09:08.45 | sneakret | when are you presenting? |
| 09:08.47 | Khertan | the pdf generated isn't the same as what i can see in google docs |
| 09:09.09 | Khertan | sneakret: i ll present a new version of mCalendar and py2deb in light session |
| 09:09.24 | sneakret | New mCalendar? Cool! |
| 09:09.40 | Khertan | i don't speak english well enough to made an interesting presentation ... |
| 09:09.48 | Khertan | more than 10 min |
| 09:10.30 | Khertan | rahah .... now google docs insert interline between line ! |
| 09:10.33 | GeneralAntilles | Khertan, just give it in French! |
| 09:11.24 | yacoob | what are you people ticking to? |
| 09:11.26 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, did you see my email on -community? |
| 09:11.38 | GeneralAntilles | yacoob, Ari's presentation at OSiM World. |
| 09:13.08 | Khertan | GeneralAntilles: yep but i want that there is more than 1 people at my presentations : |
| 09:13.10 | Khertan | :) |
| 09:13.36 | Khertan | oups ... google docs now is freeze |
| 09:13.37 | Khertan | lol |
| 09:13.39 | GeneralAntilles | Alternatively, give it in English, but pad it out with interspersed violent cursing in French. |
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| 09:14.24 | Khertan | GeneralAntilles: for a lightning session i ll be able to do it in english |
| 09:14.33 | AStorm | hmm, how can I find out which repo is blocking my update? |
| 09:14.49 | GeneralAntilles | Check the log? |
| 09:14.57 | GeneralAntilles | and by "update" you mean? |
| 09:15.00 | GeneralAntilles | Refreshing the repos? |
| 09:15.01 | AStorm | right now, updating seems to have hanged at 1,67 MB (yes, I don't do that often) |
| 09:15.04 | AStorm | yes |
| 09:15.08 | AStorm | where is the log? |
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| 09:15.22 | GeneralAntilles | In the menu in Application manager |
| 09:15.24 | GeneralAntilles | Logs... |
| 09:15.30 | GeneralAntilles | Alternatively, just run an apt-get update as root in XTerm |
| 09:15.49 | AStorm | i'll do that then |
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| 09:17.25 | AStorm | garage.maemo.org is down or what? |
| 09:18.01 | mgedmin | oh maemo.org, you |
| 09:18.12 | mgedmin | down again??? |
| 09:18.47 | mgedmin | shakes his head |
| 09:19.20 | Blafasel | I'm really looking forward to 2 days of irl lurking ;) |
| 09:19.23 | GeneralAntilles | AStorm, fwiw, the maemo.org repos are working fine here. |
| 09:19.32 | AStorm | yes, they are |
| 09:19.42 | AStorm | modest.garage.maemo.org is not etc. |
| 09:19.45 | AStorm | I have to fix these |
| 09:19.56 | AStorm | where are they now? |
| 09:20.08 | GeneralAntilles | Diablo? |
| 09:20.13 | GeneralAntilles | I'd just delete it. |
| 09:20.17 | GeneralAntilles | It's not really usable in Diablo. |
| 09:20.19 | AStorm | chinook |
| 09:20.35 | GeneralAntilles | Oh, time to upgrade. :P |
| 09:20.45 | AStorm | I'm waiting till Canola works well with Diablo |
| 09:20.54 | GeneralAntilles | It doesn't? |
| 09:20.57 | AStorm | and, i'd have to redo all my hacks |
| 09:21.01 | AStorm | this is work ;P |
| 09:21.42 | GeneralAntilles | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/non-free/c/ |
| 09:21.57 | GeneralAntilles | Planet seems to be down. |
| 09:22.37 | AStorm | hopefully, there is lms-ogg |
| 09:23.18 | AStorm | NO. there's none |
| 09:23.24 | AStorm | they should be kicked really hard |
| 09:23.25 | GeneralAntilles | kulve just updated ogg-support for Diablo. |
| 09:23.33 | AStorm | what is the use of ogg-support, if there's no lms-ogg? |
| 09:23.41 | AStorm | canola won't see the files |
| 09:23.58 | GeneralAntilles | Go prod #canola |
| 09:25.25 | AStorm | done |
| 09:25.34 | kulve | ogg-support tries to add ogg-support for n8x0. Not for some special 3rd party app, like Canola |
| 09:26.07 | GeneralAntilles | AStorm, now just wait for it not to be 5 AM in Brazil. ;) |
| 09:26.38 | AStorm | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/ogg/ - is this down? :P |
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| 09:28.51 | yerga | AStorm, complete maemo.org is down or very overloaded ;) |
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| 09:30.04 | AStorm | heh |
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| 09:30.47 | AStorm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:36.02 | rm_you | back. keynote in like 20 min >_> |
| 09:36.55 | GeneralAntilles | We demand a live video feed. |
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| 09:36.58 | GeneralAntilles | Figure it out. |
| 09:37.01 | johnx | rm_you, madness :D |
| 09:37.27 | brontide | I'm here |
| 09:37.29 | Mek | some live typing in here whatever Ari says would be okay for me too :P |
| 09:37.45 | brontide | I'll summarize the interesting bits |
| 09:38.01 | GeneralAntilles | brontide, OK, we've got you and Jaffa. |
| 09:38.05 | GeneralAntilles | Your summaries will be scored. |
| 09:38.07 | trenka | when he is talking? |
| 09:38.16 | GeneralAntilles | The winner wont receive 50 lashings. |
| 09:38.28 | GeneralAntilles | trenka, just under 20 minutes. |
| 09:38.33 | trenka | thanks |
| 09:38.50 | Jaffa | is in place. Laptop connected. |
| 09:38.53 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, maybe give the winner o karma point ;p |
| 09:38.53 | mgedmin | http://twemes.com/OSiM is emptyish |
| 09:38.56 | Jaffa | Running later. |
| 09:39.12 | Jaffa | s/r// |
| 09:39.18 | GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, Twitter sucks |
| 09:39.27 | Jaffa | 11:30 talk runs for 25 mins and hasn't started yet. |
| 09:39.28 | brontide | is going on 24 hours with no sleep, so he might nod off if it's not too exciting |
| 09:39.55 | Jaffa | brontide: you in the room? |
| 09:40.17 | robink | upgraded his kernel modules and now modules.dep is missing and module-init-tools conflicts with BusyBox. |
| 09:40.28 | Jaffa | is down at the front, on the right (was on the left before) |
| 09:40.29 | robink | :( |
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| 09:41.05 | brontide | yes, mac striped shirt |
| 09:41.18 | rm_you | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:41.35 | Jaffa | rm_you: loads. |
| 09:41.38 | rm_you | k |
| 09:41.42 | brontide | lappy, or NIT? |
| 09:41.58 | Jaffa | lappy |
| 09:42.04 | robink | Oh, the keynote is about to begin. |
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| 09:42.05 | Steve_B | Hello, im at the conference too! |
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| 09:44.13 | mib_p5x2ezcuk_wo | have i missed the keynote? |
| 09:44.22 | Steve_B | No |
| 09:44.23 | mib_p5x2ezcuk_wo | hmm |
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| 09:44.47 | lcuk_work | bit better |
| 09:44.50 | lcuk_work | thanks Steve_B |
| 09:44.55 | brontide | found him |
| 09:44.55 | rm_you | lcuk: ! |
| 09:45.14 | lcuk_work | rm_you !! |
| 09:45.27 | lcuk_work | is gonna see you in a ocuple of days |
| 09:45.35 | Steve_B | Thats ok lcuk, what did i do? |
| 09:45.38 | lcuk_work | makes typos in RL as well |
| 09:45.44 | lcuk_work | you answered my question |
| 09:45.45 | rm_you | lol |
| 09:45.51 | lcuk_work | i came in with a stupid nick |
| 09:46.07 | Steve_B | Ahh ok :-) |
| 09:46.29 | Steve_B | Im at the conference, but unable to go to the keynote |
| 09:46.51 | lcuk_work | rm_you: can you get ari to postpone the keynote - i want liqbase to come first before the rug is swept from under it |
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| 09:49.19 | Steve_B | Did you get a hold of him lcuk? |
| 09:50.13 | Jaffa | Lights are dimming |
| 09:50.20 | lcuk_work | hold of who? - cos im in england and hes in germany |
| 09:50.20 | lcuk_work | ooooh jaffa |
| 09:50.42 | Jaffa | This is Azingo first; 25 mins - unless they've changed the agenda due to the late running |
| 09:50.49 | Steve_B | Rm_you, on here i mean |
| 09:50.51 | lcuk_work | "this is kermit the frog reporting live from OSiM |
| 09:50.52 | brontide | gotta sign up for the pub quiz |
| 09:50.55 | Jaffa | Nope: this is Azingo |
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| 09:52.37 | Jaffa | You'll all have to be patient. ;-p |
| 09:52.38 | ptman | "last internet tablet" == phone with maemo? |
| 09:52.44 | rm_you | wtf. ok we're sstanding in the back... |
| 09:52.53 | ptman | or rather, not ==, but => |
| 09:53.11 | lcuk_work | rm_you: you are still closer than most of us |
| 09:54.18 | rm_you | k well, azingo it is |
| 09:55.25 | Jaffa | lcuk_work: you're coming over in about 20 mins, tho? |
| 09:55.45 | lcuk_work | no, i set off at 6am UK time tomorrow morning |
| 09:55.51 | Steve_B | Ouch |
| 09:55.59 | lcuk_work | not as early as last time |
| 09:56.03 | Jaffa | Ah, of course. |
| 09:56.12 | lcuk_work | i was at the airport by 3am then |
| 09:56.29 | Jaffa | is half sleep himself ;-) |
| 09:56.31 | Steve_B | For an event starting at 9am? |
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| 09:57.07 | lcuk_work | no, im arriving at 11:30ish thursday morning for a 9am thing on friday.. |
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| 09:57.17 | Steve_B | Maemo summit |
| 09:57.22 | Kypeli | _o/ |
| 09:57.33 | lcuk_work | \o_ |
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| 09:58.23 | Jaffa | Maemo's jist got its first namecheck - in a non-Nokia presentation |
| 09:59.04 | GeneralAntilles | What does Azingo do, anyway? |
| 09:59.17 | brontide | I'm still trying to figure that out |
| 09:59.20 | lcuk_work | mobile ui stack ontop of linux |
| 09:59.30 | lcuk_work | http://www.azingo.com/products.shtml |
| 09:59.37 | GeneralAntilles | "Azingo, formerly Celunite, provides next-generation mobile phone software that delivers Internet-enabled, rich user experiences to entertain, inform and enrich the lives of individuals worldwide. Azingo uniquely offers a one-stop solution for commercializing new mobile phone products that significantly reduce development costs and shorten delivery schedules for silicon vendors, handset manufacturers and operators." |
| 10:00.03 | lcuk_work | closed source icing ontop of our cake? |
| 10:00.22 | Steve_B | Sounds like marketing speak! |
| 10:00.23 | Jaffa | At least they're LiMo-based. |
| 10:00.35 | GeneralAntilles | http://linuxdevices.com/files/misc/azingo_mobile_screenshots.jpg |
| 10:00.43 | lcuk_work | i should never have listened to GLaDOS, the cake was a lie |
| 10:01.21 | rm_you | lol |
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| 10:03.29 | Steve_B | What is liqbase? |
| 10:03.52 | Jaffa | liqbase is shiny |
| 10:04.00 | GeneralAntilles | Steve_B, http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=liqbase&search_type=&aq=f |
| 10:04.02 | lcuk_work | liqbase is shiny++ |
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| 10:04.09 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk_work, it's too bad you don't have a URL to hand out. ;) |
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| 10:04.26 | lcuk_work | im at work |
| 10:04.29 | lcuk_work | normally i have :P |
| 10:04.34 | *** join/#maemo brontide (n=ew2193@port-212-202-116-146.static.qsc.de) |
| 10:04.38 | lcuk_work | but you mean a proper one |
| 10:04.42 | GeneralAntilles | and by URL, I mean a website for liqbase to advertise at the summit. :P |
| 10:04.47 | lcuk_work | i was thinking of giving you copy tonight but i havent got time |
| 10:04.55 | Steve_B | Im on my n810 so cant click the link |
| 10:05.06 | lcuk_work | it was all in my head - i only finished principle code at about 2am :S |
| 10:05.14 | lcuk_work | tap n hold |
| 10:05.23 | lcuk_work | or search youtube for it |
| 10:05.29 | GeneralAntilles | Steve_B, why can't you click the link? |
| 10:05.31 | Steve_B | It wont open, not enough memory |
| 10:05.32 | Italodance | what's the screen size of Archos? |
| 10:05.36 | GeneralAntilles | lol? |
| 10:06.57 | brontide | is starting to doze off |
| 10:07.00 | johnx | Italodance, which archos? |
| 10:07.04 | lcuk_work | has crashanddie been on this mornin? |
| 10:07.09 | rm_you | lol GW Bush jokes |
| 10:07.55 | Italodance | johnx......it was the same IT! |
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| 10:08.26 | Steve_B | Typing on the n810 is painful |
| 10:09.01 | johnx | try tapping on thf |
| 10:09.11 | Steve_B | Thf? |
| 10:09.16 | rm_you | slightly, yes |
| 10:09.28 | johnx | ...screen of an n800. way more painful |
| 10:09.45 | rm_you | i could whip out my bluetooth keyboard ;p |
| 10:09.54 | Steve_B | Ahh thats probably true |
| 10:10.06 | rm_you | ah yeah. sorry n800 screen is me lol |
| 10:10.16 | jott | so, where are the pictures and videos? :) |
| 10:10.19 | rm_you | it is kinda blah |
| 10:10.36 | lcuk_work | !OI! rm_you, you will get arrested if you whip yours out - especially at a big conference |
| 10:10.36 | povbot | lcuk_work: Error: "OI!" is not a valid command. |
| 10:10.44 | johnx | kills time at work waiting for something to do. |
| 10:10.46 | lcuk_work | laffs at silly povbot |
| 10:10.50 | rm_you | jott: err i can post a horrible n800 cam pic :p |
| 10:10.57 | brontide | I'm wondering why he is telling us to use standard html/js ... aren't they selling something? |
| 10:11.03 | rm_you | lol lcuk |
| 10:11.34 | GeneralAntilles | S'too bad somebody didn't do a ustream feed. |
| 10:11.34 | lcuk_work | brontide: for a mobile device, isnt that the point: you CAN use standard if you use their framework |
| 10:11.54 | rm_you | i just paid 3,60⬠for a tiny glass of coke >_< |
| 10:11.55 | lcuk_work | rm_you is streaming into a plantpot in the corner of the room |
| 10:12.13 | GeneralAntilles | EUROPEAN conference food prices? |
| 10:12.14 | GeneralAntilles | Ouch |
| 10:12.15 | lcuk_work | and how much for the flight from america and conference particiaption? |
| 10:12.42 | rm_you | lol i didn't pay that tho |
| 10:12.47 | rm_you | :P |
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| 10:13.06 | lcuk_work | so 3.60 is very cheap for an intercontinental flight+ticket :D |
| 10:13.08 | brontide | or any offline tech + fast js |
| 10:13.57 | Blafasel | rm_you: Ouch |
| 10:13.59 | Jaffa | Azingo is wrapping up |
| 10:14.07 | brontide | still doesn't get azingo's talk |
| 10:14.12 | Jaffa | ARI JAAKSI KEYNOTE TO START SHORTLY. |
| 10:14.19 | rm_you | lol i guess >_> |
| 10:14.28 | rm_you | ooo he's wrapping up. now nokia? |
| 10:14.29 | Blafasel | I hope the prices on the summit are better.. ;) |
| 10:14.34 | brontide | who is this Ari guy anyways ;-) |
| 10:14.42 | Jaffa | brontide: it *seems* to boil down to a wWebKit renderer and some and some dev tooling |
| 10:16.04 | rm_you | hopefully all this talk of flasg based stuff will lead to us getting better / faster linux flash support |
| 10:16.28 | rm_you | *flash |
| 10:16.44 | jott | http://www.azingo.com/pr080917_web20_apps.shtml and http://www.azingo.com/management.shtml :) |
| 10:17.39 | GeneralAntilles | First? |
| 10:17.40 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
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| 10:19.08 | lcuk_work | its another "we cant do full youtube live in browser" system: "Azingoâs Web 2.0 video application enables users to interact with videos" |
| 10:19.13 | brontide | they do say *fast* |
| 10:19.49 | brontide | needs sleep first / fast same diff |
| 10:20.07 | Jaffa | heh |
| 10:20.50 | Jaffa | Azingo guy has finished. |
| 10:20.57 | rm_you | woo |
| 10:21.10 | Jaffa | Ari is taking the stage. |
| 10:21.11 | rm_you | ari going on |
| 10:21.33 | Jaffa | He looks like a short Arnie |
| 10:21.52 | brontide | slide: Kids with kites |
| 10:21.54 | jott | so who cat get to his pockets and runs fast? :) |
| 10:22.13 | Jaffa | Operating in two diffeerent worlds: suits & t-shirts. Very fruitful collaboration |
| 10:22.17 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk_work's not there yet, jott. :( |
| 10:22.40 | StsN800 | is in lecture with the n800 as a tiny display like when watching games on the go |
| 10:22.42 | lcuk_work | hey, im not a scally |
| 10:22.47 | Jaffa | 70% of open source development is corporate sponsored |
| 10:22.56 | Jaffa | (source: FSF) |
| 10:22.57 | lcuk_work | isnt sponsored |
| 10:23.24 | Jaffa | Says no product announcement today |
| 10:23.29 | rm_you | awwwwww no product announcing |
| 10:23.36 | GeneralAntilles | Boo him off the stage. |
| 10:23.43 | Steve_B | Thats unfortunate |
| 10:23.46 | Jaffa | And he's not going to educate any communiteies (/. overreaction reference) |
| 10:23.58 | Jaffa | 80% of device s/w is open source now |
| 10:23.59 | t_s_o | hmm, is there a browser plugin that reroutes flash videos to mplayer for full screen playback? |
| 10:24.09 | Jaffa | Maemo is "designed for Internet-optimized multimedia computers" |
| 10:24.28 | glass | hehe |
| 10:24.35 | lcuk_work | t_s_o: i would love to make a proper binary plugin for our browser to do just that |
| 10:25.21 | lcuk_work | something that sits between the browser and the actual flash plugin - something we can click to activate, something we can send to mplayer with - something SIMPLE and would make stuff fast. but ive got no time or knowledge of how to do it ;) |
| 10:26.14 | Jaffa | Choice of desktop widget sets directed products they released using Maemo |
| 10:26.18 | lcuk_work | might use the internet on tablet more if that was the case |
| 10:26.42 | t_s_o | i know there is a plugin to block the flash from automatic play, but its been hit or miss for me in the past. and i keep suspecting that it loads the flash in the background, something that to me is unacceptable on a mobile connection |
| 10:26.53 | lcuk_work | jaffa - have a vodka shot everytime you hear the words "QT" |
| 10:27.06 | GeneralAntilles | s/QT/Qt/ |
| 10:27.14 | brontide | we would all be quite sober at this point |
| 10:27.22 | lcuk_work | t_s_o: that doesnt block cleanly, it sits inside the javascript on a page and isnt a very clean solution |
| 10:27.29 | aquatix | t_s_o: you can download .flv's, then play them with whatever player you like? |
| 10:27.34 | lcuk_work | give it time brontide |
| 10:27.50 | aquatix | has a bash script to download youtube movies |
| 10:27.56 | Jaffa | 3 different platofmrs: S30/40 - mass market phones; Symbian-based phones - smartphones; Maemo platform rooted in Linux, truley community related. |
| 10:28.22 | t_s_o | aquatix: and other random flv's? youtube i can do with mytube already... |
| 10:28.23 | rm_you | myTube works well for doing that with youtube vids |
| 10:28.25 | aquatix | there's also some firefox plugins to download flash movie material, so might be portable to microb |
| 10:29.23 | t_s_o | thing is for me that the only use i have for flash on the tablet is the odd video, so a plugin that could detect those and grab them for playback using mplayer or whatever would work much better then the current solution imo |
| 10:29.43 | Jaffa | UI is closed part - their area of differentiation |
| 10:29.51 | Jaffa | 4 generations of Maemo |
| 10:29.54 | t_s_o | but then maybe i should just grab a archos 5g when it becomes available :P |
| 10:29.59 | Jaffa | Now working on 5th generation |
| 10:30.05 | Jaffa | Showing you some of the highlights |
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| 10:30.20 | rm_you | omg cellular |
| 10:30.22 | Jaffa | Online anywhere with cellular connectivity over HSPA |
| 10:30.24 | Jaffa | OMAP 3 processor. HD camera |
| 10:30.48 | Jaffa | Broadband vision of devices. |
| 10:30.56 | brontide | there goes the neighborhood |
| 10:31.08 | jsmanrique | ! |
| 10:31.10 | GeneralAntilles | Bleh |
| 10:31.11 | GeneralAntilles | 3g |
| 10:31.13 | GeneralAntilles | kills self. |
| 10:31.14 | rm_you | lol crizazy |
| 10:31.15 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, looks like you lose ;p |
| 10:31.19 | Jaffa | Bottom half of slide is cut off |
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| 10:31.54 | Jaffa | OMAP3 will give "huge boost in performance" |
| 10:31.54 | rm_you | omap3 will be sweet but isn't surprising |
| 10:32.03 | timsamoff | Ari is talking. |
| 10:32.09 | GeneralAntilles | HD camera is gonna be noisy as hell. |
| 10:32.10 | Jaffa | Accelerated graphics and so forth. |
| 10:32.20 | rm_you | cellular surprises me a little bit but makes sense |
| 10:32.32 | t_s_o | just hope the price dont spike to much... |
| 10:32.40 | Steve_B | I dont like the idea of cellular access |
| 10:32.41 | Jaffa | (indeed) |
| 10:32.50 | GeneralAntilles | t_s_o, I'm not sure how it can't. |
| 10:32.52 | timsamoff | Ah, Jaffa's already here. :) |
| 10:32.57 | Jaffa | :) |
| 10:32.58 | GeneralAntilles | I really don't want to pay N96 prices. :\ |
| 10:33.06 | rm_you | are these not powerpoint but physical slides?! |
| 10:33.06 | t_s_o | GeneralAntilles: indeed |
| 10:33.10 | GeneralAntilles | timsamoff, and rm_you and brontide. ;) |
| 10:33.12 | brontide | neither do I |
| 10:33.13 | johnx | hd just means 1280*720 or highr... |
| 10:33.13 | aquatix | demands a gsm chip! |
| 10:33.21 | Jaffa | Nokia is now gold sponsor of the Linux Foundation |
| 10:33.21 | timsamoff | Ha! Cool. |
| 10:33.27 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, yeah, but HD isn't stills |
| 10:33.29 | t_s_o | i got my N800 nice and cheap used. but if we are looking at used HTC phone prices then no go what so ever |
| 10:33.32 | GeneralAntilles | It's video, which == noise. |
| 10:33.34 | Jaffa | Nokia contributed code today for 3G/HSPA cellular connectivity for oMAP3 to Linux kernel |
| 10:33.59 | aquatix | t_s_o: heh, i prefer having a tablet alongside my cellphone too |
| 10:34.49 | timsamoff | I prefer having a tablet with a charged battery. :( |
| 10:34.55 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 10:35.06 | rm_you | lol tim |
| 10:35.12 | GeneralAntilles | Besides, HSDPA is gonna be ridiculously expensive in the states. |
| 10:35.14 | rm_you | truth |
| 10:35.16 | GeneralAntilles | $50 at least. |
| 10:35.22 | Jaffa | (So, cellular layer open?) |
| 10:35.26 | rm_you | also truth |
| 10:35.31 | GeneralAntilles | I can't afford a 2nd cable bill. |
| 10:35.37 | wiza | GeneralAntilles: so like 5 euros? |
| 10:35.39 | Jaffa | (gone very laggy) |
| 10:35.41 | wiza | :D |
| 10:35.52 | rm_you | heh qt is in the maemo circle |
| 10:36.13 | Jaffa | And SQLite |
| 10:36.14 | t_s_o | rm_you: i didnt expect anything else |
| 10:36.24 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 10:36.28 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, like, duh. :P |
| 10:36.38 | rm_you | well yeah, been using sqlite for a while no? |
| 10:37.00 | rm_you | t_s_o: yeah... |
| 10:38.06 | Jaffa | (lots of projects have - does media-scanner us it?) |
| 10:38.06 | Jaffa | Nokia still struggling with working in the open. Still working on it |
| 10:38.24 | *** join/#maemo rajesh (n=atul@61.16.248.242) |
| 10:38.37 | timsamoff | Always will unless Maemo spun off. |
| 10:38.45 | Jaffa | More on Maemo 5 in the Maemo DevSesh |
| 10:38.53 | rm_you | hrm |
| 10:39.13 | Jaffa | Plug for Maemo Summit |
| 10:39.19 | Steve_B | Thats the bit im allowed in, hooray! |
| 10:39.25 | Jaffa | He's forgotten where it is |
| 10:39.25 | mikkov_ | nobody is forcing you to use cellular. Device will be more expensice though |
| 10:39.28 | jott | me too :) woo |
| 10:39.45 | GeneralAntilles | mikkov_, if it's in the device, I'm paying for it. |
| 10:39.58 | Jaffa | Now questions. |
| 10:39.59 | GeneralAntilles | FCC certifications, hardware, software support |
| 10:39.59 | Steve_B | Jott, are you in berlin? |
| 10:40.02 | GeneralAntilles | those things all cost money. |
| 10:40.03 | jott | Steve_B: yes. |
| 10:40.09 | Steve_B | Same |
| 10:40.20 | hrw | morning |
| 10:40.33 | Jaffa | Q: Will Nokia have longterm committment to Maemo in the longterm, with the Qt purchase & Symbian opening. Is there a longterm roadmap? |
| 10:40.35 | Jaffa | A: Yes. |
| 10:40.41 | rm_you | LOL |
| 10:40.48 | mikkov_ | GeneralAntilles: yeah, but no monthly bills if you don't want them |
| 10:40.52 | hrw | someone has e1000e network card? |
| 10:40.52 | Jaffa | Q: 3G & HSPA also imply voice? Or just data? |
| 10:40.54 | lcuk_work | yes, but you have to pay $140 extra to get it |
| 10:40.58 | Jaffa | A: Today just talking about data. |
| 10:41.03 | GeneralAntilles | mikkov_, don't care, I don't want to pay for cellular. Period. |
| 10:41.09 | StsN800 | timsamoff, huge thanks for the logo btw |
| 10:41.15 | Jaffa | There will be a new generation, let's see what they bring. |
| 10:41.27 | Jaffa | This is a headsup today, not an announcement. |
| 10:41.31 | lcuk_work | GeneralAntilles: chill, see what they offer before you bitch - its new and improved |
| 10:41.40 | Jaffa | Talking about releasing early & showing the direction. |
| 10:41.42 | brontide | Unless they are really competitive on price, this will be a non-starter for me |
| 10:41.46 | Jaffa | He finally seems to get it. |
| 10:42.07 | Jaffa | ^( ) |
| 10:42.16 | Jaffa | Telling you as soon as possible about some of the developments. |
| 10:42.21 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk_work, HSDPA is bad news in my book. Period. :) |
| 10:42.35 | jott | hopes for a dev program :) |
| 10:42.46 | Jaffa | Q: When will th efifth generation come out? What about the slow microb browser? |
| 10:42.53 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: otoh, nokia makes loads of cellphones, maybe hsdpa chip is cheap for them |
| 10:43.03 | timsamoff | 4 Real. |
| 10:43.06 | Steve_B | Unless they release two versions, one with and one without? |
| 10:43.09 | GeneralAntilles | aquatix, hardware cost is just a small portion of the total cost. |
| 10:43.15 | Jaffa | A: When the time is right, we will tell you. I recognise the performance issues, we are working on it. I'm sure they'll be improved signifcantly. |
| 10:43.18 | rm_you | lol complaining about microb.fennec is faster? not imo >_> |
| 10:43.25 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: so, what's your problem? |
| 10:43.30 | aquatix | FCC? |
| 10:43.37 | GeneralAntilles | aquatix, FCC, software support |
| 10:43.38 | jsmanrique | Jaffa: nice answer... |
| 10:43.40 | GeneralAntilles | All those things cost money. |
| 10:43.41 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: k |
| 10:43.44 | Jaffa | Q: (gnuite) Will Maemo 5 be compatible with existing devices? |
| 10:43.51 | GeneralAntilles | Which means I'm going to be paying for it in the cost of the hardware. |
| 10:43.57 | Jaffa | A: THinking about how to do it. Don't know yet. |
| 10:44.01 | Jaffa | New hardware may mean new difficulties. |
| 10:44.05 | jsmanrique | Jaffa: :-D |
| 10:44.06 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: fair enough :/ |
| 10:44.08 | brontide | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:44.09 | timsamoff | Good Q, though. |
| 10:44.14 | GeneralAntilles | Better be. |
| 10:44.14 | jsmanrique | Jaffa: and that's even better |
| 10:44.22 | lcuk_work | brontide: depending on the ui expected it may be a non starter |
| 10:44.25 | Jaffa | Q: Are there any plans fordiversifying Maemo? |
| 10:44.26 | GeneralAntilles | They promised at least 2 rounds of support for each tablet. |
| 10:44.36 | rm_you | lol etting short bursts of irc. connection seems to have issues |
| 10:44.43 | aquatix | maemo for a cellphone would be interesting |
| 10:44.53 | lcuk_work | from what i recall nokia are fullsteam forward and get adequate performance from new devices without caring about old |
| 10:44.55 | Jaffa | A: No current intentions for promoting to other vendors. |
| 10:45.21 | brontide | GA, they already provides 2 rounds of support |
| 10:45.32 | lcuk_work | thinks building from the ground up will allow all devices to work |
| 10:45.43 | Jaffa | Q: Various logos - including Qt. What's the role of Trolltech within the Maemo story? |
| 10:46.04 | GeneralAntilles | brontide, the N810 got 1. |
| 10:46.23 | brontide | depends on how you read Diablo |
| 10:46.29 | Jaffa | A;: Currently gtk based. Will also support Qt in future. Eventually, are we going to eventually find some technical merge? We have some plans; but (it sounds like still up in the air) |
| 10:46.30 | GeneralAntilles | It's not a round. |
| 10:46.37 | GeneralAntilles | It's a minor update. |
| 10:46.40 | GeneralAntilles | "Feature Upgrade" |
| 10:46.42 | aquatix | Diablo is just enabling incremental updates |
| 10:46.55 | GeneralAntilles | Support round is OS2005, OS2006, OS2007, OS2008, etc. |
| 10:47.04 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I reckon they'll break the promise or hamstring the back support. |
| 10:47.08 | Jaffa | That's it. It's over. |
| 10:47.26 | Jaffa | KEYNOTE ENDED. NO NEW DEVICE ANNOUNCED. MAEMO 5 WILL SUPPORT HSPA AND HD CAMERA AND OMAP3. |
| 10:47.30 | lcuk_work | now mug him and get hands on the test machine you know he has in his pocket |
| 10:47.43 | GeneralAntilles | Bleh |
| 10:47.45 | timsamoff | :D |
| 10:47.55 | rm_you | what is this? |
| 10:47.55 | jsmanrique | what do you expected? |
| 10:47.58 | GeneralAntilles | is not super thrilled. |
| 10:48.06 | jsmanrique | no device was expected |
| 10:48.10 | GeneralAntilles | Not cellular garbage. |
| 10:48.10 | lcuk_work | i think ari just read the n900 thread |
| 10:48.13 | Jaffa | is worried about price |
| 10:48.30 | lcuk_work | nahhh jaffa - look at the pandora - they are talking that spec hardware |
| 10:48.37 | jsmanrique | it gets one year to get Carl Zeiss certification |
| 10:48.40 | lcuk_work | thats what £200? |
| 10:48.40 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk_work, they don't have cellular |
| 10:48.43 | timsamoff | Device discount program? |
| 10:48.46 | StsN800 | GeneralAntilles, in .dk 3g no-voice is actually decently priced |
| 10:48.51 | Jaffa | jsmanrique: A new device has been pre-announced: it will have in-built data connectivity and HD camera and OMAP3. |
| 10:48.56 | GeneralAntilles | StsN800, yeah, well, I live in the States. |
| 10:49.01 | lcuk_work | GeneralAntilles: stop bitching, nokia knows how to do data modems |
| 10:49.03 | jsmanrique | Jaffa: and that's great |
| 10:49.10 | timsamoff | This guy's funny. |
| 10:49.21 | rm_you | very |
| 10:49.21 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk_work, whatever. |
| 10:49.24 | Jaffa | timsamoff: helps us, but everyone else may suffer. No point being a developer if the platform is overpriced for end-users. |
| 10:49.29 | Steve_B | Data is pretty expensive in the uk too |
| 10:49.47 | Jaffa | Indeed. |
| 10:49.52 | aquatix | waits till the price is known |
| 10:49.52 | timsamoff | Too true, Jaffa. |
| 10:49.53 | lcuk_work | Maemo internet via sneakernet |
| 10:49.57 | brontide | Which means being shackled to a provider |
| 10:49.58 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk_work, costs add up fast, and the cellular support impacts the platform in software development costs. |
| 10:50.03 | aquatix | i think nokia won't make the thing more expensive |
| 10:50.05 | brontide | for the discount |
| 10:50.08 | rm_you | so are there plans for lunch? |
| 10:50.28 | mikkov_ | new device will cost at least as much as N95/N96, that's my guess |
| 10:50.28 | Jaffa | rm_you: provided, AIUI |
| 10:50.32 | lcuk_work | GeneralAntilles: if its ONLY a modem then it can be a blackbox just like the usb dongle modems we get now |
| 10:50.34 | timsamoff | Although, didn't I hear someone say recently that they didn't develop for other users. :p |
| 10:50.34 | Steve_B | Thats what im hoping, im hank marvin |
| 10:50.35 | GeneralAntilles | aquatix, they'd price themselves out of the market if they did. |
| 10:50.35 | Jaffa | rm_you: getting hungry |
| 10:50.41 | aquatix | exactly |
| 10:50.43 | Jaffa | ...and my battery's dying |
| 10:50.52 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: so i think you shouldn't worry yet :) |
| 10:51.03 | rm_you | same and same lol |
| 10:51.05 | brontide | the N95/N96 has an order of magnitude economy of scale |
| 10:51.05 | GeneralAntilles | Cellular is bad juju however you look at it. |
| 10:51.06 | Jaffa | N810 was more pricey than N800, more pricey than 770 |
| 10:51.13 | rm_you | you outside? |
| 10:51.13 | brontide | higher than an n900 will |
| 10:51.21 | Jaffa | rm_you: still at front |
| 10:51.28 | timsamoff | N1k. N1k! |
| 10:51.38 | rm_you | this guy really is hilarious |
| 10:51.43 | lcuk_work | i, for one, welcome our cellular overlords who give us 24/7 internet without messing with other things |
| 10:51.53 | timsamoff | Crackin' me up. |
| 10:51.55 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk_work, more like 5-hour internet. |
| 10:52.07 | GeneralAntilles | You wont get always-on with the sized battery we have now. |
| 10:52.15 | lcuk_work | thats about the same as i get now :) |
| 10:52.16 | Jaffa | lcuk_work: for another 15 quid a month on top of mobile phone bill |
| 10:52.20 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, I wouldn't go back to the booth. ;) |
| 10:52.42 | rm_you | jaffa: should i head outside? |
| 10:52.42 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk_work, probably less, in fact. |
| 10:52.44 | Steve_B | Jaffa, even then its limited |
| 10:52.49 | GeneralAntilles | The N810W is somewhere in the 3-4 hour range. |
| 10:52.52 | lcuk_work | jaffa, happily pay it if the data comes in quickly enough - i dont want it for "internet" i want to connect to my server |
| 10:53.09 | Steve_B | To the amount of data you can download per month |
| 10:53.16 | Jaffa | Wind River. 5 Reasons why Open Source Won't Work in Mobile. |
| 10:53.28 | Jaffa | 1) A Linux phone will never be as good as an iPhone |
| 10:53.31 | Steve_B | Fair usage and all that |
| 10:53.32 | rm_you | ah ok stupid irc burst/delays |
| 10:53.35 | timsamoff | Too flipping funny. |
| 10:53.45 | brontide | *FSVO "good" |
| 10:53.56 | rm_you | i love this guy |
| 10:53.56 | Steve_B | Whats 2? |
| 10:54.06 | Jaffa | hasn't got to 2 |
| 10:54.12 | jott | 2) We are unable to make good software. :P |
| 10:54.14 | lcuk_work | jaffa, you type quick :D |
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| 10:54.19 | Steve_B | You're still in there? |
| 10:54.30 | Jaffa | aye |
| 10:54.52 | Steve_B | Ahh, i thought you left after the ari talk |
| 10:55.01 | Jaffa | didn't move quick enough |
| 10:55.05 | Jaffa | ;-) |
| 10:55.15 | rm_you | same |
| 10:55.16 | timsamoff | Me hungry too. |
| 10:55.16 | Khertan | Jaffa: 1) A Linux phone will never be as good as an iPhone : FALSE |
| 10:55.21 | Steve_B | Thats unfortunate |
| 10:55.27 | rm_you | got stuck lol |
| 10:55.31 | brontide | Khertan: it's a joke |
| 10:55.37 | Khertan | :) |
| 10:55.38 | Khertan | i know |
| 10:56.06 | rm_you | Khertan: he's doing logical contradictions point by point |
| 10:56.07 | Khertan | how ... there was a keynote ? |
| 10:56.20 | Jaffa | Definition of good: "There are 15 million units in the market today that a deveoper has to write an app for once, and they *know* they have 15 million builtin customers. And you *cannot* say that today about Linux. Not even 1 million users". |
| 10:56.31 | rm_you | he's not actually saying that |
| 10:56.42 | brontide | no new products, no major changes from what's already happened with maemo.org |
| 10:56.50 | rm_you | it's the argument he's tryying to counter |
| 10:57.11 | timsamoff | This is a really good talk -- people need to discuss these things. |
| 10:57.18 | brontide | yesyesyes |
| 10:57.21 | Khertan | hum ... this wasn't planned for tomorrow ? |
| 10:57.22 | Khertan | ? |
| 10:57.36 | Steve_B | Is it lunchtime? |
| 10:57.42 | Jaffa | Ari's keynote was today. Honest: I've just watched it. |
| 10:57.45 | Khertan | this have change ... |
| 10:57.55 | rm_you | or use to point out problems |
| 10:57.56 | Khertan | and i ve see the change |
| 10:58.14 | timsamoff | I saw Jaffa nodding off. |
| 10:58.18 | Steve_B | Lol |
| 10:58.27 | Khertan | arg ... i think i ll see it tomorrow ... this why i come so early in the morning tomorrow |
| 10:58.27 | Jaffa | timsamoff: heh |
| 10:58.29 | Khertan | :( |
| 10:58.39 | Jaffa | 2) "Symbian's open source announcement has given everyone a false sense of hope" |
| 10:59.11 | timsamoff | My battery is red again. Arg. Later everyone. |
| 10:59.16 | Khertan | 2) Symbian sucks ! |
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| 10:59.19 | Khertan | :) |
| 10:59.31 | Khertan | ... i ll going to eat ... |
| 10:59.55 | Khertan | want that today is tomorrow |
| 10:59.56 | Khertan | ... |
| 11:00.37 | Jaffa | The hype surrounding the shift after Ari's keynote which was pitched by the @nokians doesn't *quite* seem to match reality. Maybe an HSPA component /really/ changes the game? |
| 11:00.51 | GeneralAntilles | waits for Umptious to come back and edit the wikipedia article. |
| 11:00.56 | Jaffa | 3) "There are too many platform choices and operators insist on hedgin their ebets" |
| 11:01.28 | Khertan | Jaffa: yep Windows Mobile and Symbian should not exist ! |
| 11:01.30 | Khertan | :) |
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| 11:01.52 | rm_you | gah cmon irc... update |
| 11:02.33 | brontide | Fragmentation is preventing Linux from being a real competitor in the marketplace |
| 11:02.40 | GeneralAntilles | Well, the one good thing is maybe people will finally stop bitching about 3G support. |
| 11:02.57 | brontide | 4) OEM's won't let go legacy code |
| 11:03.07 | GeneralAntilles | Kinda kills the N810W's niche, though. |
| 11:04.11 | Khertan | :) |
| 11:04.19 | Jaffa | When/where is the DevSesh? Can't find any ref to it in the Event Guide |
| 11:04.27 | Jaffa | 5) Too many in the mobile value chain just don't get it! |
| 11:04.59 | Steve_B | Jaffa, its not in there |
| 11:05.11 | Steve_B | Its got a seperate document |
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| 11:07.08 | Jaffa | Steve_B: righto. We probably need to make sure there's soem info about it on the booth |
| 11:07.10 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: well, there's HSDPA here, but no wimax |
| 11:07.35 | Steve_B | Is anyone on the booth now? |
| 11:07.42 | Jaffa | 5 things to do to make open source in mobile work |
| 11:07.45 | Jaffa | 1) Get a new product marketer |
| 11:07.53 | Jaffa | 2) While you're at it, get a new engineering director too |
| 11:08.01 | Jaffa | 3) Stop lookin over your shoulder, start to innovate |
| 11:08.04 | aquatix | will do a grep on `Jaffa' tonight :) |
| 11:08.09 | Jaffa | 4) Change your low cost play into a high value play |
| 11:08.14 | Jaffa | 5) Think outside the ohone |
| 11:08.15 | rm_you | i think i'm supposed to be on the booth >_< |
| 11:08.21 | aquatix | rm_you: :) |
| 11:08.28 | Steve_B | Uh oh |
| 11:08.36 | lcuk | rm_you, yes, literally, you should be ON the booth - dancing |
| 11:08.54 | rm_you | but i can't just leave on this guy. he's just too awesome |
| 11:08.58 | aquatix | rm_you: the cancan |
| 11:09.00 | Jaffa | :) |
| 11:09.08 | aquatix | rm_you: then stay :) |
| 11:09.14 | lcuk | aquatix, i was thinking more ooga chacka |
| 11:09.26 | rm_you | i think jamie went at least... |
| 11:09.28 | aquatix | lcuk: also a good choice |
| 11:09.45 | lcuk | he could do village people dance quite well |
| 11:10.17 | aquatix | lcuk: why do you know? ;) |
| 11:10.25 | rm_you | lol lcuk. remind me to slap you :P immediately followed by buying you a pint :) |
| 11:10.27 | lcuk | (m) its fun to stay in the M.A.E.M.O |
| 11:10.37 | aquatix | loool |
| 11:10.48 | lcuk | :D dont slap me or i might drop my tablet and completely destroy liqbase in the process |
| 11:10.49 | brontide | Seems like he is talking directly to people like Nokia. |
| 11:11.04 | Jaffa | Yeah |
| 11:11.08 | aquatix | lcuk: b.a.c.k.u.p.s. |
| 11:11.10 | aquatix | :) |
| 11:11.16 | rm_you | i can do some swingdance :P |
| 11:11.18 | Jaffa | has switched back to N810. |
| 11:11.30 | aquatix | Jaffa: external keyboard? |
| 11:11.30 | Jaffa | screen & ssh rock |
| 11:11.34 | lcuk | aquatix, technically i have already sent the full source code + binary around the world :) |
| 11:11.42 | aquatix | lcuk: true |
| 11:11.48 | lcuk | has offsite backup |
| 11:11.55 | aquatix | lcuk: but is that the latest? |
| 11:11.56 | rm_you | yep. sorta been thinking, is ari watching this? :p |
| 11:12.08 | lcuk | no aquatix - i only mailed it last night after i finished enough for my presentation |
| 11:12.11 | Jaffa | fooooood |
| 11:12.17 | aquatix | lcuk: ah :) |
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| 11:12.35 | lcuk | i have some bugfixes to do - but i can get them done on the plane |
| 11:12.51 | lcuk | OH SHIT! i need pygtkeditor before then |
| 11:13.09 | lcuk | Khertan, i hope you are givin that program some love - i want it super speedy |
| 11:13.22 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 11:13.52 | lcuk | i dont wanna have to write my own ide as well ;) though after tomorrow its a distinct possibility :) |
| 11:14.07 | Khertan_n810 | lol |
| 11:14.23 | Khertan_n810 | i m currently planning a rewrite of pygtkeditor |
| 11:14.30 | mgedmin | what news from osim? |
| 11:14.38 | Khertan_n810 | but nothing is done yet |
| 11:14.45 | lcuk | writing your own texteditor component again? |
| 11:15.01 | lcuk | or using the existing one still with just your python magic around it? |
| 11:15.30 | Jaffa | The booth is manned |
| 11:15.46 | lcuk | it would be better if it was womanned |
| 11:15.53 | Khertan_n810 | lcuk: i think using the existing one ... gtksourceview but with different parameters |
| 11:16.04 | lcuk | :D heh @ rm_you bein the maemo boothbabe |
| 11:16.04 | Khertan_n810 | and a more recent version of it |
| 11:16.19 | Khertan_n810 | and doing some optimization |
| 11:16.45 | lcuk | Khertan, if it goes anywhere rapidly, i might be able to get you a gtk editor component using liqbase backend in a windowed display |
| 11:16.47 | aquatix | Khertan_n810: is it an idea to port http://scribes.sourceforge.net/ ? |
| 11:16.59 | lcuk | but that all depends on me gettin serious dev time for it all |
| 11:17.03 | Khertan_n810 | not really too slow |
| 11:17.11 | lcuk | Khertan, oh yes, it is |
| 11:17.15 | aquatix | Khertan_n810: ah, gtksourceview already |
| 11:17.20 | lcuk | mollasses on a tuesday |
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| 11:17.50 | rm_you | attempts to drag lcuk's mind out of the gutter |
| 11:18.08 | lcuk | puts a dollar in rm_yous thong |
| 11:18.08 | Khertan_n810 | but i ll integrate some of the idea i see in scribes |
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| 11:19.05 | lcuk | Khertan, for desktop ide i like komodo-edit - if you havent tried it give it a blast :) |
| 11:19.27 | Khertan_n810 | i try to avoid kde things |
| 11:19.38 | Khertan_n810 | i don t like it most of the time |
| 11:19.50 | Khertan_n810 | but i ll get a look |
| 11:20.00 | lcuk | is it kde? i use it in windows |
| 11:21.42 | lcuk | brb anyway, stomach grumbling |
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| 11:34.38 | lcuk | crashanddie, crashanddie where for art thou crashanddie |
| 11:40.13 | Robot101 | lcuk: btw, wherefore means why :) |
| 11:40.37 | GeneralAntilles | Summon him like Beetlejuice |
| 11:41.13 | lcuk | thank you Robot101 |
| 11:41.24 | lcuk | still doesnt help me |
| 11:42.21 | lcuk | ok, can someone PLEASE confirm im not the only one freaked out by this: http://www.neuticles.com/ |
| 11:43.31 | johnx | lcuk, used to know someone who had a dog with those. |
| 11:43.52 | lcuk | thats scary |
| 11:44.06 | lcuk | REALLY scary |
| 11:45.08 | johnx | *shrugs*¢it was an ex-show dog but actually really good natured. |
| 11:45.40 | Blafasel | lcuk: I like the idea that you can have them with different "firmness" |
| 11:46.07 | johnx | is away again for a bit |
| 11:47.13 | Blafasel | So when you're used to play with your dog's testicles you can still enjoy it just the same! Stil feels - natural! hrhr.. Splendid, I have to bookmark the site |
| 11:47.40 | lcuk | Blafasel, infact - you could say its the dogs bollocks |
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| 12:09.41 | mgedmin | google maps rules |
| 12:09.45 | mgedmin | openstreetmap also |
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| 12:17.49 | Jaffa | yawns |
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| 12:20.04 | yacoob | lcuk, looks like another money sink for fools |
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| 12:23.24 | Blafasel | I like the paragraph in the faq that advises the owner to massage the new genitals weekly to suppress scar tissue generation.. |
| 12:24.28 | Blafasel | hrhr.. This is a neverending wtf.. |
| 12:25.51 | aquatix | Blafasel: that's wrong in so many ways :) |
| 12:26.15 | Blafasel | aquatix: Yeah.. Like: "Hey, I cut off your testicles. Let me turn you on" |
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| 12:34.10 | lopz | hola |
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| 12:36.17 | rm_you | woo. battery still holding out somehow |
| 12:39.53 | Blafasel | For how long so far? |
| 12:40.09 | Khertan | I get this error in my bugtracker entered by an user : "When configuring mCalendar, many of the input fields inappropriately use initial caps. For example, when entering the password or login, the first character of the field defaults to upper case." |
| 12:40.14 | Blafasel | I'm curious if the battery pack will be handy this weekend. |
| 12:40.25 | Khertan | how can i unactivated the auto caps on gtk.Entry ? |
| 12:40.50 | dystopia | hrw: yes ihave e1000 |
| 12:41.28 | hrw | dystopia: I found solution - wrong cable |
| 12:42.19 | lcuk | khertan, i would have imagined if whatever "isPassword" flag you use to make stars appear would also automatically disable the auto capitalizing text input |
| 12:42.31 | lcuk | or do you just use a standard text field with visible password |
| 12:44.17 | rm_you | brb |
| 12:44.23 | rm_you | rebooting... memory issues <_< |
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| 12:50.35 | Khertan | lcuk: this is not the case for isPassword ... there is still Auto Caps |
| 12:50.45 | Khertan | but i m looking for other gtk entry too |
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| 12:51.18 | Khertan | but i can also answer to the user that this is a problem with the interface chair/keyboard |
| 12:51.21 | Khertan | :) |
| 12:52.35 | lcuk | khertan, autocaps is a user configurable option on normal text boxes - if they dont want it they can disable it in control panel? |
| 12:53.28 | melmoth | Khertan: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2008-06-27.log.html |
| 12:53.48 | melmoth | snowmoonI've found this, self.entry_id.set_property('autocap', False) but I get GtkEntry does not have property autocap |
| 12:53.54 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.slideshare.net/silpol/nokia-and-maemo-next-iteration-presentation/ |
| 12:54.22 | Khertan | lcuk: yep but a password field should not have it |
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| 12:55.26 | melmoth | Khertan: if i were you, i would vote on https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3095 |
| 12:56.50 | Khertan | has voted ... |
| 12:56.51 | Khertan | :) |
| 12:56.56 | Khertan | thx melmoth for the links |
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| 13:00.13 | keesj | GeneralAntilles: very nice . ! |
| 13:02.04 | Khertan | DevSesh 5 will be interesting ... |
| 13:04.43 | GeneralAntilles | keesj, not my doing. |
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| 13:11.17 | mgedmin | hm, will the next internet tablet have built-in 3g/hspa? |
| 13:11.33 | GeneralAntilles | Unfortunately. |
| 13:11.37 | aquatix | lol |
| 13:11.42 | aquatix | pats GeneralAntilles |
| 13:11.43 | mgedmin | un? |
| 13:11.49 | aquatix | it will work out just fine |
| 13:11.53 | GeneralAntilles | $$$$$$$$ |
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| 13:12.24 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: maybe they even release a NIT light, without sliding keyboard en 3g |
| 13:12.31 | aquatix | for $99 ;) |
| 13:12.58 | lcuk | or get the full one 'free' with an 18month contract ;) |
| 13:13.22 | andrewfblack | It was hard enough talking my wife into letting me speed $500 on my first tablet |
| 13:13.25 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, at $50/mo for data? |
| 13:13.27 | GeneralAntilles | I don't think so. |
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| 13:13.35 | _teo_ | hello |
| 13:13.45 | lcuk | people seem to be scooping them up in their millions from the apple side |
| 13:13.54 | lcuk | "i dont think so" sounds more like sour grapes :P |
| 13:14.53 | GeneralAntilles | Huh? |
| 13:14.59 | GeneralAntilles | I can't afford that kind of cost. |
| 13:15.00 | GeneralAntilles | Period |
| 13:15.05 | GeneralAntilles | no ifs ands or buts. |
| 13:15.10 | _teo_ | I'm having an issue with the browser in OS2008, maybe you folks can help me. Simply, when I start the browser, the app hangs there, there's a notification box saying "Updating" and while the app interface responds (menu opens, icons are clicked), I can't open any page nor do anything useful, like an interface that does nothing |
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| 13:15.45 | andrewfblack | I'm more afraid of Nokia not making the OS backwards compatable and I will be stuck with a tablet that no one is writing software for anymore |
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| 13:16.00 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:16.11 | GeneralAntilles | andrewfblack, welcome to the 770 owner's world. |
| 13:16.18 | lcuk | gen, you have multiple expensive devices in your home, you are chairman of the community council, stop whining about cost - if one comes out i doubt you would be able to resist |
| 13:16.37 | lcuk | and i doubt it would be long before you were accepted for the dev-handouts or beta testing etc |
| 13:16.41 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, it's not just my own personal cost I'm considering, though. |
| 13:16.44 | aquatix | and noone is forcing a data contrac on you |
| 13:16.51 | GeneralAntilles | The N800 was popular because it was cheap |
| 13:16.59 | _teo_ | GeneralAntilles: woohoo, it works! thank you very much! |
| 13:17.03 | aquatix | see how many got an n810 :) |
| 13:17.03 | GeneralAntilles | A $700 tablet would kill off most of the market. |
| 13:17.10 | GeneralAntilles | Bleh |
| 13:17.12 | aquatix | is afk for a bit |
| 13:17.13 | GeneralAntilles | I don't feel like arguing it. |
| 13:17.16 | lcuk | where does anything say anything about price? |
| 13:17.16 | _teo_ | who would have thought it was just a daemon to restart -_-' |
| 13:17.29 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: heh :) just saying that you shouldn't be too gloomy now |
| 13:17.31 | GeneralAntilles | It's the Nvidia discussion all over again. |
| 13:17.39 | aquatix | bbl |
| 13:17.45 | aquatix | cheer up ;) |
| 13:18.38 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, compare it to the N96. |
| 13:18.43 | lcuk | huh? nahhh its not - but aquatix is right - itsn ot required that you use mobile, but it would be a great asset to be built in. anyway im afk as well |
| 13:18.57 | GeneralAntilles | I still pay for it even if I don't use it. |
| 13:19.33 | lcuk | yer, i have a damned expensive gps sitting in my 810 that i barely use - it tells me im sat at my computer |
| 13:19.45 | GeneralAntilles | Er? |
| 13:19.47 | GeneralAntilles | Expensive? |
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| 13:19.57 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia probably got all of those chips for free from TI. |
| 13:20.13 | andrewfblack | yeah GPS chips are dirt cheap |
| 13:20.23 | GeneralAntilles | Especially GPS chips as shitty as the one in the N810. |
| 13:20.29 | andrewfblack | lol |
| 13:20.31 | lcuk | and they would do likewise with the gprs chip, come on you are just against cellular fullstop - even if it was free |
| 13:20.50 | GeneralAntilles | It's never free. |
| 13:20.56 | GeneralAntilles | That's why it's cellular |
| 13:21.04 | GeneralAntilles | They have to pass all sorts of expensive testing to even sell it. |
| 13:21.09 | GeneralAntilles | Doesn't matter how much the hardware costs. |
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| 13:21.23 | andrewfblack | If they are going cellular built it it wont be long and they will be locking them to certain companys in the US |
| 13:21.23 | RST38h | moo all |
| 13:21.27 | Andy80 | hi all |
| 13:21.31 | lcuk | and they manage that and sell phones for $20 or less |
| 13:21.56 | andrewfblack | $20 phone comes with a 2 year contract |
| 13:22.05 | lcuk | no, payg |
| 13:22.13 | GeneralAntilles | Those phones have economies of scale involved that an N900 wont ever be able to compete with. |
| 13:22.17 | RST38h | well, buy your phone at full price and do not sign the contract |
| 13:22.18 | andrewfblack | payg phones are alot more then $20 |
| 13:22.21 | RST38h | it is as easy as this |
| 13:22.32 | mgedmin | what's "payg"? |
| 13:22.38 | RST38h | pay as you go |
| 13:22.38 | GeneralAntilles | Pay as You Go |
| 13:22.41 | lcuk | what about the 3g modem i can buy over here for £30 that plugs into computer and is just a modem? |
| 13:22.48 | andrewfblack | cheapest pay as you go phone I have seen is about $50 to %75 |
| 13:22.50 | RST38h | in other words, what you are doing =) |
| 13:22.54 | andrewfblack | $75 |
| 13:23.22 | johnx_ | ah, well. time will tell. but I think I should get more maemo software into debian, make sure to keep my options open :) |
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| 13:24.23 | johnx_ | hopefully we'll get to the end of this situation where each device has a totally different software stack |
| 13:24.55 | Khertan | is thinking of making the most well selled and easy to code application for iPhone ... |
| 13:24.56 | StsN800 | johnx_, btw google finit-alt and see the videos |
| 13:25.15 | Khertan | at some company ... each device should have an anti-virus ... |
| 13:25.20 | lcuk | khertan, gfi |
| 13:25.33 | StsN800 | johnx_, could be interesting to adapt |
| 13:25.35 | Khertan | The Khertan AntiVirus for iPhone |
| 13:25.57 | Khertan | Some nice icons ... a nice progress bar ... |
| 13:26.02 | Khertan | and it ll be enought :) |
| 13:26.12 | Khertan | no need to a real engine :) |
| 13:26.17 | Khertan | s/to/of |
| 13:26.21 | Khertan | :) |
| 13:26.23 | lcuk | but if all apps come from app-store and you cannot run as a daemon isnt that kinda fruitless |
| 13:27.08 | Khertan | lcuk: this useless true ... but some company don't accept iphone as the company policies claim that there is no anti virus on it |
| 13:27.26 | lcuk | heh, good idea then |
| 13:27.27 | johnx_ | lcuk, nope. it's even better this way. nothing to slow down other apps :) |
| 13:27.28 | mgedmin | are there antiviruses for regular plain old non-smart phones? |
| 13:27.48 | lcuk | are there viruses for plain old non-smart phones? |
| 13:27.55 | GeneralAntilles | For WinMob? Probably. |
| 13:28.01 | Khertan | mgedmin: 6630 isn't a smartphone |
| 13:28.05 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.airscanner.com/downloads/av/av.html |
| 13:28.07 | Khertan | but there is many antivirus ... |
| 13:28.26 | lcuk | bbl |
| 13:28.47 | mgedmin | anything with windows mobile in it is not a phone in my book |
| 13:28.56 | Khertan | arg this suck ... you need a mac to compile something for iPhone |
| 13:29.12 | GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, how do you figure? |
| 13:29.18 | Khertan | mgedmin: 6630 isn't something with winmobile |
| 13:29.20 | GeneralAntilles | The Motorola Q is definitely a phone. |
| 13:29.38 | mgedmin | general: the link you posted said "antivirus for windows mobile" |
| 13:29.42 | mgedmin | I didn't read any further than that |
| 13:29.45 | Khertan | http://jp.opera.com/img/press/phones/nokia_6630.jpg |
| 13:29.48 | mgedmin | I'm not sure why we're discussing 6630 |
| 13:29.59 | Khertan | because it s my phone :) |
| 13:30.04 | Khertan | it s not a smartphone |
| 13:30.05 | mgedmin | I expressed my incredulity with a company policy outlawing cellphones that have no antivirus software for them |
| 13:30.10 | Khertan | but there is antivirus for it |
| 13:30.31 | Khertan | will not give any name ... like BNP ... |
| 13:30.32 | Khertan | :) |
| 13:31.00 | Khertan | they force us to have antivirus on Mac osx |
| 13:31.02 | Khertan | :) |
| 13:31.29 | Khertan | and don't let anything using there network if the device don't have an antivirus |
| 13:31.37 | Khertan | s/there/their |
| 13:32.13 | lcuk | what about a firewall? |
| 13:32.29 | pyhimys | Khertan: switches/routers too? :) |
| 13:32.52 | pyhimys | Or printers! |
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| 13:33.00 | mgedmin | hey, does this ethernet cable have antivirus on it? |
| 13:33.15 | andrewfblack | my company wont let me use my n810 just because its not windows |
| 13:34.26 | andrewfblack | only way to get a computer on the wireless network is to run a windows program that sets it up to work |
| 13:34.27 | Khertan | pyhimys: lol ... :) |
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| 13:34.39 | t_s_o | iirc, one can get ethernet dongles now that apply antivirus and ids on the traffic passing thru it... |
| 13:35.11 | Khertan | there is also small ethernet<->wifi dongle that can be plug discretly :) |
| 13:35.37 | GeneralAntilles | Khertan, that's one way to get your ass fired. |
| 13:35.55 | Khertan | example i ve see a company with a strong security get hack from internal ... behind the cofee machine there was an unused ethernet plug ... |
| 13:36.08 | Khertan | and something use it to reroute all the traffic ... |
| 13:36.13 | Khertan | GeneralAntilles: yep ... it is |
| 13:37.56 | t_s_o | just make sure to keep a copy of the root password(s) on the keychain usb dongle ;) |
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| 13:42.06 | pyhimys | or on a postit on your monitor |
| 13:42.30 | t_s_o | i was thinking more in case one got fired ;) |
| 13:44.02 | pyhimys | then you just need a machine that does ssh porforwarding to a some outside machine |
| 13:44.06 | hrw | I know company which require using windows-only software to connect to company vpn |
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| 13:46.25 | pyhimys | In one of my former companies we found out a nt-box that had an uptime of 900+ days. It was on public internet with iis and sql-server. |
| 13:46.37 | pyhimys | And it wasn't cracked! |
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| 13:52.36 | liri | pyhimys: it was probably on a 2400 baud modem, on one could even ping it :) |
| 13:53.26 | pyhimys | liri: or blackhole routed |
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| 13:55.42 | RST38h | why would a script kiddie hack his own box? |
| 13:55.52 | aquatix | pyhimys: how do you know it wasn't rootkitted? |
| 13:56.02 | aquatix | besides, did it actually do something useful? ;) |
| 13:56.04 | t_s_o | RST38h: training? forgotten the password? |
| 13:56.14 | pyhimys | there wasn't ftp-server running? |
| 13:56.22 | aquatix | you sure? ;) |
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| 13:57.41 | t_s_o | i recall reading a classical story about some university server betting drywalled because noone remembered that it was there, as there had been no reason to physically access it in ages... |
| 13:57.51 | pyhimys | aquatix: pretty sure. The unix-admins couldn't believe it so they checked out the box pretty thoroughly |
| 13:58.13 | aquatix | ghehe |
| 13:58.41 | aquatix | it hadn't a firewall up on all ports? |
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| 13:58.44 | pyhimys | Anyways it wasn't my box. The windows admins smirked for weeks after that. |
| 13:59.02 | aquatix | :) |
| 13:59.24 | pyhimys | Ofcourse it had a firewall in front of it. But it had atleast http open. |
| 13:59.25 | aquatix | `wow, we had one server with big uptime and no cracks!' |
| 14:00.16 | pyhimys | and iis isn't actually known for robust security |
| 14:00.20 | johnx_ | RST38h, I hacked my own machine once. I inherited an SGI O2 with a lost root password... |
| 14:00.48 | t_s_o | physical access = boot to single user? |
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| 14:02.14 | johnx_ | there was some reason I could easily |
| 14:02.22 | RST38h | johnx: Ah, O2s ... |
| 14:02.29 | johnx_ | I ended up taking out the drive and rewriting the root password |
| 14:02.31 | RST38h | weeps a little bit |
| 14:02.43 | johnx_ | I never did figure out what to do with it |
| 14:02.52 | RST38h | But it looked cool |
| 14:02.57 | johnx_ | it's stored in my parents garage for now |
| 14:03.01 | RST38h | Like a blue trashcan |
| 14:03.12 | pyhimys | johnx_: watch the opengl demos forever? |
| 14:03.15 | johnx_ | mine was kinda old and beat up |
| 14:03.27 | aquatix | johnx_: can't you run an AI on it? |
| 14:03.29 | johnx_ | or play bzflag :) |
| 14:03.42 | RST38h | johnx: Somebody had sex with it? =) |
| 14:04.14 | johnx_ | RST38h, eh? it was just scratched and missing the cd-rom drive cover... |
| 14:04.20 | RST38h | Oh |
| 14:04.31 | RST38h | missing cdrom drive cover <-- sure evidence |
| 14:04.39 | Jaffa | is back in the hotel. |
| 14:04.56 | jsmanrique | lmoura: hi! |
| 14:05.10 | RST38h | johnx: btw it should play this quite nicely: http://www.evl.uic.edu/aej/AndyBattalion.html |
| 14:05.13 | aquatix | johnx_: install an AI on it and call it Erwin ;) |
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| 14:05.32 | jsmanrique | lmoura: how could I update python packages since it doesn't appear in app manager? as root in console? |
| 14:05.32 | johnx_ | ah...I remember user-friendly when it was still kinda funny... |
| 14:05.41 | aquatix | johnx_: ;) |
| 14:05.49 | aquatix | today's actually is quite fun |
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| 14:14.15 | andrewfblack | I wonder if that MMORPG that runs on Android will run on the Tablets on Android |
| 14:15.30 | yacoob | I wonder how good will android be doing on the tablets |
| 14:16.17 | johnx_ | a lot better once there's source :) |
| 14:16.48 | johnx_ | hard to get excited about making it work with binary hacks that break the license agreement when the source release is imminent... |
| 14:18.14 | Jaffa | Android'll run very badly due to the lack of 3D drivers: all the talk during the Android Keynote was of "compelling UI" and easy Â3D. |
| 14:18.35 | yacoob | I just wonder whether it will provide missing pim functionality... |
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| 14:19.03 | Khertan | yacoob there is some marvelous pim on maemo |
| 14:19.05 | Khertan | :) |
| 14:19.07 | johnx_ | Jaffa, I think 3D won't be required |
| 14:19.20 | Khertan | the problem of android is java |
| 14:19.48 | johnx_ | for developers I guess :) |
| 14:19.50 | johnx_ | but it's only a problem once, not a new problem with every new device |
| 14:20.16 | Jaffa | Admittedly, the next Maemo device is going to have 3D acceleration, so it becomes much more likely as an Android target. |
| 14:20.23 | Khertan | johnx_: a problem for dev ... mainly mean less applications ... so a problem for users :) |
| 14:20.28 | aquatix | i think they choose language to make it easier for developers |
| 14:20.40 | Jaffa | But, from what I overheard, that's looking in the wrong direction for which big Linux company'll be involved. |
| 14:20.54 | yacoob | Khertan, it must be pretty deep burried 8) |
| 14:21.30 | Khertan | yacoob: http://khertan.net/poubelle/screenshot38.png |
| 14:21.30 | johnx_ | Khertan, well, I'm happy to wait and see |
| 14:21.31 | johnx_ | this year is seeing a lot of interesting linux devices to choose from |
| 14:21.56 | Khertan | johnx_: yep it seems ... but android don't enjoy me ... |
| 14:22.10 | yacoob | ohhh, it's getting better :D |
| 14:22.12 | aquatix | Khertan: is mContacts compatible with the built-in contacts? |
| 14:22.20 | Khertan | aquatix: nope |
| 14:22.25 | Khertan | eds sucks |
| 14:22.27 | aquatix | hm |
| 14:22.32 | yacoob | Khertan, can has month view, free time view and syncml plx? :> |
| 14:22.40 | Khertan | eds <-> evolution data server |
| 14:22.46 | aquatix | seconds syncml |
| 14:23.04 | Khertan | vote -1 for syncml |
| 14:23.10 | Khertan | :) |
| 14:23.14 | aquatix | overrules Khertan ;) |
| 14:23.25 | yacoob | cracks the whip over Khertan. |
| 14:23.33 | yacoob | Community has spoken! Get back to work! |
| 14:23.34 | yacoob | :) |
| 14:23.36 | aquatix | seriously, it'd be awesome to have, as you can then actually sync it with phones and such |
| 14:23.39 | Khertan | i ll see what i can do |
| 14:23.42 | liri | mcalendar should also support multi calendars because that's common in google calendar |
| 14:23.53 | aquatix | Khertan: i'm aware that syncml is extremely hairy though :( |
| 14:23.59 | Khertan | liri: don't say it ... but it ll in a few days ... |
| 14:24.12 | liri | Khertan: nice :) |
| 14:24.17 | Khertan | in fact the not yet release version do it :) |
| 14:24.27 | liri | Khertan: cool, I'm looking forwards to it |
| 14:24.34 | Khertan | aquatix: hairy ... i ll not be so polite |
| 14:24.50 | Khertan | but i m looking how to do this |
| 14:25.02 | aquatix | can't you look at opensync's code for it? |
| 14:25.13 | Khertan | i can look |
| 14:25.25 | Khertan | but ... i already wear glasses |
| 14:25.35 | Khertan | i don't want to be blind |
| 14:25.46 | aquatix | ghehehe |
| 14:25.59 | aquatix | `omg, the goggles - they do nothing!' |
| 14:26.15 | aquatix | doesn't know whether the opensync code is nice or not |
| 14:26.39 | Khertan | oh ... i ve found something interesting about sync ml : http://fr.wikibooks.org/wiki/Programmation_XML/SyncML |
| 14:26.40 | Khertan | :) |
| 14:27.33 | Khertan | huhu it use uuid |
| 14:27.53 | Khertan | <SyncML> <SyncHdr> <VerDTD>1.1</VerDTD> <VerProto>SyncML/1.1</VerProto> <SessionID>104050403</SessionID> <MsgID>5</MsgID> <Cred>...</Cred> </SyncHdr> <SyncBody> <Status>...</Status> <Sync> <Target>target database URI</Target> <Source>source database URI</Source> <Add>datafield and data</Add> <Replace>an existing data field with some data</Replace> </Sync> </SyncBody> </SyncML> |
| 14:27.58 | Khertan | ouch sorry |
| 14:29.22 | Khertan | hum ... and if says that i can do something that use google as middleware for the syncml ? |
| 14:29.24 | RST38h | jaffa: Android = java |
| 14:29.40 | Khertan | and java != good |
| 14:29.40 | RST38h | I.e. it suddenly becomes uninsteresting for any serious development |
| 14:30.49 | Jaffa | Pfft. |
| 14:30.57 | yacoob | RST38h, there are developers that think exactly otherwise :) |
| 14:31.07 | Jaffa | Android actually == JVM + Dalvik. |
| 14:31.17 | Jaffa | Which means: Groovy, Python, JRuby, Java, ... |
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| 14:31.27 | Jaffa | Mature tooling. Rich libraries. |
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| 14:31.50 | Jaffa | Anyone who says "Java is uninteresting for any serious development" may mean *to them*, but in the real world... not so much. |
| 14:31.59 | RST38h | Jaffa: abismal performance |
| 14:32.08 | RST38h | memory hog. |
| 14:32.09 | Jaffa | (FSVO real, where real == $$$) |
| 14:32.26 | RST38h | Jaffa: In a real world you need to play mpeg4 video ;) |
| 14:32.31 | Jaffa | RST38h: Google's answer to that is Dalvik, not a typical stack-based JVM. Whether it works or not, I dunno. |
| 14:32.37 | aquatix | RST38h: actually, things like opera mini and google maps run just fine on my cellphone |
| 14:32.46 | RST38h | jaffa: Dalvik is not the answer, I am sorry |
| 14:32.54 | Jaffa | RST38h: Android demo I saw this morning was quite happy doing complex 3D, semi-transparent rendering and MPEG4 video. |
| 14:33.02 | aquatix | is curious to the performance of android though |
| 14:33.05 | yacoob | RST38h, bad java apps are mostly results of its popularity |
| 14:33.06 | RST38h | jaffa: It works faster than most JITs of course, but not fast enough |
| 14:33.10 | yacoob | same story as with php |
| 14:33.22 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, did you get my -community email? |
| 14:33.26 | Jaffa | RST38h: It's better than Python |
| 14:33.29 | RST38h | jaffa: I have seen 3D demo on a Spectrum. Does not mean anything. |
| 14:33.30 | aquatix | RST38h: but how is that different from python on the n8x0? |
| 14:33.42 | yacoob | you had sudden influx of eager "developers", commiting every possible sin there is |
| 14:33.48 | RST38h | Python is not trying to become the only languge to develop in |
| 14:33.53 | Jaffa | RST38h: I'm not going to have a theoretical debate about the performance of a platform which hasn't been released. |
| 14:33.53 | aquatix | true |
| 14:34.04 | RST38h | Python is an option on Maemo. Java is the main dev language on Android |
| 14:34.07 | aquatix | RST38h: but it runs fine, and people are doing multimedia with it |
| 14:34.17 | RST38h | Jaffa: it is not theoretical, really |
| 14:34.19 | Khertan | Jaffa: RST38h: It's better than Python : FALSE ! |
| 14:34.32 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: which one, the first task one? |
| 14:34.37 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 14:34.42 | Jaffa | Yeah |
| 14:34.55 | aquatix | Khertan: erm, performance of java in a decent jvm is better than python |
| 14:35.05 | RST38h | Jaffa: Very practical. Means that instead of video decoders, emulators, complex games you will just get a bunch of underbaked slow java apps like you get for java phones |
| 14:35.08 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I figure you're probably best equipped to understand the issue. |
| 14:35.10 | aquatix | likes python though |
| 14:35.14 | GeneralAntilles | So if you could bug everybody else about it. ;) |
| 14:35.26 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: will do :-) |
| 14:35.28 | jott | it really depends on which applications you want to develop. 90% of normal end-user apps will probably be fine with dalvik. |
| 14:35.38 | python | likes aquatix too :) |
| 14:35.46 | jott | depending on how fast the native gui+multimedia stack is... |
| 14:35.46 | aquatix | awww :) |
| 14:35.54 | Khertan | lol syncml AND python search in sourceforge give no results |
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| 14:36.11 | Jaffa | jott: indeed. |
| 14:37.55 | aquatix | Khertan: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=130831&package_id=183625 ? |
| 14:38.06 | aquatix | that's code from http://www.taskcoach.org/ |
| 14:38.23 | dystopia | t_s_o: yes that was a DEC :-) |
| 14:38.41 | Khertan | yep ... but syncing task is easy |
| 14:38.53 | Khertan | and isn't really hard |
| 14:38.59 | Khertan | not the same thing for event |
| 14:39.03 | Khertan | recurrence |
| 14:39.08 | Khertan | for example :) |
| 14:40.10 | yacoob | recurrence? exceptions from it ftw! |
| 14:40.18 | aquatix | yeah |
| 14:40.30 | yacoob | (speaking of which, scheduleworld has just messed my gcal :E) |
| 14:40.31 | aquatix | i think devices normally just store exceptions to the recurrence |
| 14:40.57 | aquatix | gave up on synching his phone (primary PIM) a while back |
| 14:40.58 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia's insistence that their closed-source UI stuff gives them an advantage is laughable. |
| 14:41.14 | GeneralAntilles | If anything, it hurts them because the community can't hack on it and turn their suck into not-suck. |
| 14:41.19 | aquatix | no good syncml services out there |
| 14:41.36 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: myeah |
| 14:41.50 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: suffice to say, I'll raise this with Ari tonight ;-) |
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| 14:42.10 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, beat him around with a 2x4. |
| 14:43.32 | Khertan | aquatix: do you if taskcoach is already be able to do sync by syncml protocol ? i see nothing in the code |
| 14:43.36 | johnx_ | yeah, 80% is the low and mid level libraries, 20% is all the user facing stuff... |
| 14:43.59 | Jaffa | ...apart from hildon-desktop |
| 14:44.13 | GeneralAntilles | 80% is all the stuff they just got from other people. ;) |
| 14:44.19 | Jaffa | :) |
| 14:44.28 | johnx_ | well hildon-desktop *itself* is open...but not anything that makes it a real desktop |
| 14:44.37 | Jaffa | true |
| 14:44.43 | aquatix | Khertan: well, i got those links from here - http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python.announce/browse_thread/thread/86a3c875c3da65d9 |
| 14:45.05 | GeneralAntilles | I still need somebody who knows libconic |
| 14:45.20 | GeneralAntilles | Be really nice to replace the connectivity applets with a "Advanced" version. |
| 14:46.03 | aquatix | Khertan: or check http://libsyncml.opensync.org/ |
| 14:46.04 | johnx_ | heh...like network manager? |
| 14:46.08 | aquatix | but that's C, likely |
| 14:46.22 | aquatix | Khertan: interesting to make a port though ;) |
| 14:46.59 | GeneralAntilles | The battery applet should be an easy one to replace. |
| 14:47.13 | johnx_ | practically done already |
| 14:47.50 | johnx_ | since you can put systray apps in the statusbar it should be just a matter of compiling an off the shelf battery applet that can grok hal |
| 14:48.15 | GeneralAntilles | Drag in some retu numbers for some more interesting stats. |
| 14:48.34 | johnx_ | then you quickly end up being device specific... |
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| 14:48.50 | johnx_ | one step forward, two steps back |
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| 14:49.07 | GeneralAntilles | Well, what else are you looking to use it on? :P |
| 14:49.12 | Binky | Hi all |
| 14:49.21 | GeneralAntilles | It'd be simple enough to detect what it's running on, anyway. |
| 14:49.31 | johnx_ | GeneralAntilles, *everything else* :) |
| 14:49.47 | GeneralAntilles | and only show the retu stuff when appropriate. |
| 14:49.57 | johnx_ | how about the next tablet for one, and the pandora for another |
| 14:49.59 | GeneralAntilles | Personally, I'd rather have the extra functionality on the tablet I have right now. |
| 14:50.29 | johnx_ | then code it in :P |
| 14:50.40 | Binky | People, i never play marbles, if i remove /usr/games/lmarbles, will it be removed? |
| 14:50.41 | johnx_ | I'm just say there are already battery applets we can use now |
| 14:51.02 | GeneralAntilles | johnx_, get to Hildonizing then. :P |
| 14:51.23 | johnx_ | meh |
| 14:51.32 | johnx_ | I'm not sold on a hildon only desktop |
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| 14:52.23 | Stskeeps | johnx_: still have a bit of an idea of a hildon ui on debian, eh? |
| 14:52.32 | summatusmentis | if there were a way to have a dual hildon/gtk desktop... :) |
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| 14:52.47 | johnx_ | Stskeeps, digging into the "pkg-maemo" modest source package right now |
| 14:53.42 | johnx_ | if I could make bzr checkout the code...grrrr |
| 14:54.07 | aquatix | Binky: isn't there a package for it? |
| 14:54.18 | aquatix | Binky: if so, remove it with the app manager |
| 14:54.28 | Binky | It comes preinstalled |
| 14:54.42 | johnx_ | it still has an entry in apt |
| 14:54.57 | johnx_ | but if you remove it through apt it will remove osso-software-version-* |
| 14:55.22 | GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, Hildon is GTK. . . . |
| 14:55.42 | Binky | johnx_, But anyway, i can't remove apps, i have to erase files |
| 14:56.06 | johnx_ | Binky, you can remove it with apt-get remove <package> |
| 14:56.30 | Binky | No, i can't |
| 14:56.40 | johnx_ | I have done this in the past |
| 14:56.42 | Binky | Results in an error |
| 14:56.55 | qwerty12 | johnx_: dpkg with force-all can remove a package but leaves deps unsatisfied |
| 14:57.07 | qwerty12 | s/a package/a preinstalled package/ |
| 14:57.10 | johnx_ | qwerty12, I just sacrificed osso-software-version |
| 14:57.16 | Binky | I can install apps but i can't remove them. |
| 14:58.00 | Binky | johnx_, what's the use of that package? |
| 14:58.03 | qwerty12 | johnx_: true. In chinook I did this but now with SSU, I don't take any chances :) |
| 14:58.10 | johnx_ | qwerty12, same here |
| 14:58.24 | johnx_ | Binky, it's used during updates to make sure everything gets updated |
| 14:58.33 | johnx_ | anyways, if you want to remove just the files, do apt-cache search marbles, then dpkg -L package-name |
| 14:58.40 | johnx_ | that will tell you the files |
| 14:58.49 | Binky | cannot remove `/.': Invalid argument Errors were encountered while processing: any appE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 14:59.22 | summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: oh, I guess I knew that |
| 14:59.36 | johnx_ | what was the exact command you used |
| 14:59.38 | johnx_ | ? |
| 15:00.05 | Binky | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:00.18 | Binky | But the same with any package |
| 15:00.34 | johnx_ | aaah...so your whole system is somewhat broken |
| 15:00.45 | Binky | Also, apt-cache search marbles won't give me any result |
| 15:01.00 | Binky | johnx_, it was, but i kinda 'fixed' it |
| 15:01.24 | johnx_ | if you can't remove any app I would call it broken |
| 15:01.26 | Binky | So, i can install, but no uninstall |
| 15:01.36 | johnx_ | also, it does turn up results on my working system |
| 15:02.01 | Binky | My /var/apt/archives/status broke |
| 15:02.41 | Binky | johnx_, it finds results for other apps, but not marbles |
| 15:03.27 | qwerty12 | Binky: What is in /var/lib/dpkg/info/? Do you have a *marbles.list file in there? |
| 15:03.34 | johnx_ | I can't make guesses about what kind of damage is done to /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 15:03.45 | Stskeeps | gah. anyone happen to have utelnetd-0.1.3.tar.gz source laying about? |
| 15:03.51 | Stskeeps | the homepage of it is broken |
| 15:03.58 | Binky | johnx_, it manages apt-get |
| 15:04.11 | johnx_ | Binky, and yet it's obviously broken |
| 15:04.35 | Binky | Nope. It's blank, since it was all corrupted |
| 15:04.38 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Simple tricks ;) http://www.pengutronix.de/software/utelnetd/utelnetd-0.1.3.tar.gz |
| 15:04.50 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: ah |
| 15:04.56 | Stskeeps | my geek fu isn't as good as it used to |
| 15:05.16 | Binky | And my 770 doesn't know what apps i have installed |
| 15:05.20 | Binky | But i know |
| 15:05.28 | qwerty12 | Though I probably have the source laying about due to the amount of router firmware sources I got... |
| 15:05.35 | johnx_ | Binky, ahahaha...so your /var/lib/dpkg/status isn't related in any way to what's installed...but it's not *broken* |
| 15:06.32 | Binky | johnx_, that's it. i messed up the file location, sorry |
| 15:06.43 | johnx_ | if you want to remove it by hand then try find /usr -name "*marble*" |
| 15:06.49 | johnx_ | that will give you a hint at least |
| 15:07.12 | johnx_ | some stuff in /usr/share /usr/games and maybe /usr/lib |
| 15:08.21 | Binky | Yup. |
| 15:09.20 | johnx_ | then when you have time, reflash :) |
| 15:09.24 | Binky | And remov all results. And it's done, true? |
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| 15:09.44 | johnx_ | well, remove stuff that you think is related |
| 15:10.02 | johnx_ | and there will probably be little bits left behind |
| 15:10.14 | johnx_ | there's not much you can do in your situation, without a working package manager |
| 15:10.27 | Binky | Oh no! I'd have reflashed looong time ago, but WSOD is there... Hiding... And when you less wait it... WHITE!!! |
| 15:11.07 | jott | are there any plans for the evening? |
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| 15:16.28 | GeneralAntilles | http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/2008/09/osim-news-whats-up-with-maemo.html |
| 15:17.34 | GeneralAntilles | For shame! "Maemo.org is an open source project, sponsored and contributed by Nokia" |
| 15:19.06 | GeneralAntilles | "Nokia uses Maemo.org as the foundation of its own Maemo software that currently fuels Nokiaâs Internet Tablets" not sure what _that_ means, exactly. |
| 15:19.20 | Stskeeps | marketing speak? |
| 15:20.35 | dystopia | it means nokia abuses maemo.org and currently nokia internet tablet is using maemo software |
| 15:21.29 | GeneralAntilles | Can somebody at the Summit make sure somebody from Nokia legal is hunted down about the maemo.org stuff? |
| 15:23.04 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Members |
| 15:23.08 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia hasn't been upgraded. |
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| 15:28.57 | *** topic/#maemo by GeneralAntilles -> Sprint5 review in #maemo-meeting 9/19 | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ |
| 15:29.10 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody know what's going on with the sprint review? |
| 15:29.33 | lcuk | a sprint review in the middle of the summit? |
| 15:29.45 | GeneralAntilles | So says the wiki |
| 15:29.46 | lcuk | sounds like an odd time |
| 15:30.12 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, don't see where it could fit. |
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| 15:59.10 | andrewfblack | is anyone at the summit on there Tablet? lol |
| 15:59.35 | aquatix | everyone's battery is running out now ;) |
| 16:00.02 | aquatix | andrewfblack: was quite fun to see quite a lot of NIT's (and Eee's) at FOSDEM this year too btw |
| 16:00.08 | aquatix | and that's already a while ago |
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| 16:01.25 | andrewfblack | Lunch time |
| 16:01.43 | aquatix | enjoy |
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| 16:06.49 | mathisderpenner_ | weiß einer die lottozahlen |
| 16:09.03 | aquatix | yeah, hello to you too |
| 16:12.10 | ptman | so the announcements today mean mobile broadband on maemo, not mobile phone running maemo? |
| 16:12.26 | Jaffa | Correct. |
| 16:13.06 | Jaffa | foods. |
| 16:14.04 | Stskeeps | who'd want a nokia tablet glued to their ear anyway? |
| 16:14.10 | qwerty12 | sighs in relief as I replace my shell script cgi with a c++ one |
| 16:14.11 | Stskeeps | earprint galore |
| 16:14.12 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:15.33 | dystopia | nokia implant tablet |
| 16:15.55 | dystopia | with 100% more RFID:-) |
| 16:16.48 | Stskeeps | god, i'd really like a ctrl-alt-del like thing on the tablets |
| 16:16.52 | Stskeeps | so i dont have to physically pop the battery |
| 16:16.53 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:17.11 | Stskeeps | ponders making a mmc door trigger |
| 16:17.19 | johnx_ | figure out a way to send a sysrq |
| 16:17.27 | johnx_ | usb keyboard should do it |
| 16:17.49 | lcuk | Stskeeps, ill buy that for a dollar |
| 16:17.55 | Stskeeps | i'm sortof making the boot process all over again so it feels like june again |
| 16:18.14 | lcuk | usb big red button |
| 16:18.17 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 16:18.54 | lcuk | i allocated all my sketches (about 300 at the mo) multiple times without freeing them, my pooter went a bit skitz |
| 16:18.58 | Mousey | can stimpy KEEP from PUSHING the SHINEY RED BUTTON that BECKONS him EVEN NOW |
| 16:19.55 | johnx_ | Stskeeps, you want one of these: http://gizmodo.com/5051024/hps-wireless-comfort-keyboard-has-emergency-ctrl+alt+del-key |
| 16:20.00 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 16:20.17 | Stskeeps | johnx_: i noticed one reason for ubuntu on tablets - mojo targets the processors more directly than debian's catch-most-arm |
| 16:20.31 | johnx_ | yeah, I've been thinking about that |
| 16:20.45 | johnx_ | a debian build of mojo looks pretty ideal though |
| 16:20.48 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 16:20.55 | johnx_ | angstrom is another possibility, too |
| 16:21.10 | Stskeeps | and i wonder if it would be possible to compile specific needed packages like let's say xserver, dash or the likes :P |
| 16:21.17 | Stskeeps | but not sure how apt handles that |
| 16:21.19 | johnx_ | I'd still like to figure out what needs to happen to run hildon apps in a normal window manager... |
| 16:21.32 | johnx_ | Stskeeps, you export some env variable and build away |
| 16:21.37 | Stskeeps | true |
| 16:22.10 | johnx_ | we have such a wealth of apps that work *really* great on the tablet...it would be a shame to toss them aside |
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| 16:22.31 | Stskeeps | i was thinking if it would be possible to do Maemo chroot really |
| 16:22.38 | Stskeeps | with same tricks, two xomap etc |
| 16:22.51 | johnx_ | *sigh* that seems pretty icky to me |
| 16:23.01 | Stskeeps | yeah, but it's one way ;) |
| 16:23.07 | johnx_ | definitely |
| 16:23.15 | Stskeeps | hildon packages exist for debian though |
| 16:23.20 | johnx_ | yup |
| 16:23.46 | johnx_ | and I'm working on figuring out why bzr won't let me check out the work in progress modest debian package... |
| 16:24.23 | Stskeeps | you want to see if it sucks less on debian? ;) |
| 16:24.39 | johnx_ | I *like it* on os200x |
| 16:24.49 | johnx_ | I must be the only person who it works perfectly for... |
| 16:24.52 | Stskeeps | yeah :P |
| 16:24.53 | qwerty12 | You would need to run a sapwood at least. I did ssh -X forwarding of hildon apps from the tablet to the computer and the result was a little freaky :/ http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/screenies/N800XForwarding-test.png |
| 16:25.10 | johnx_ | qwerty12, that's cause the gtk theme is set to hildon too |
| 16:25.17 | johnx_ | I'm thinking sato gtk theme would be nice |
| 16:25.28 | johnx_ | hildon gtk theme is truly weird |
| 16:25.53 | johnx_ | and I want to stab sapwood for wasting my time |
| 16:26.13 | johnx_ | ha! made bzr work |
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| 16:27.40 | johnx_ | seriously, a gtk theme that relies on some random separate process ... who thought that was an ok idea? |
| 16:28.07 | rm_you | jott: yo? |
| 16:28.13 | Stskeeps | johnx_: maybe it saves resources.. |
| 16:28.55 | johnx_ | Stskeeps, It must...but it's still a kludge |
| 16:29.01 | GeneralAntilles | Sapwood is supposed to be "lightweight" |
| 16:29.20 | johnx_ | good for it. the default gtk theme is probably more lightweight |
| 16:29.37 | GeneralAntilles | Then why are they using? |
| 16:29.41 | GeneralAntilles | There must be SOME reason. |
| 16:29.55 | johnx_ | they probably wanted to be able to theme with pixmaps |
| 16:30.02 | johnx_ | that's my only conclusion |
| 16:30.36 | qwerty12 | at least sapwood is opensource. it would really take the piss if it wasn't :/ |
| 16:30.59 | johnx_ | anyways, I'll see what I can make work without it |
| 16:31.04 | johnx_ | and how screwed up the results look :) |
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| 16:31.32 | johnx_ | an omap3 sure will be nice for on-device builds :) |
| 16:31.45 | Stskeeps | i have two qemu-system-armel debian boxes by now :P |
| 16:31.54 | Stskeeps | using them for building |
| 16:31.59 | Stskeeps | not as fast as scratchbox though.. |
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| 16:32.16 | johnx_ | I should put mine back in place...but I'm not convinced it's much faster on an athlon64 |
| 16:32.29 | johnx_ | and thankfully I'm not building anything huge these days |
| 16:32.35 | GeneralAntilles | johnx_, Beagle's are cheap. ;) |
| 16:32.50 | Stskeeps | i was thinking about getting a beagle but i dont have any flatscreens :P |
| 16:32.55 | johnx_ | GeneralAntilles, pandora comes with a screen :) |
| 16:33.04 | GeneralAntilles | Twice the price, though. |
| 16:33.12 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, not ONE? |
| 16:33.19 | GeneralAntilles | They haven't sold a use CRT in at least 4 years. . . . |
| 16:33.29 | GeneralAntilles | s/use/useful/ |
| 16:33.30 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: well, except on a laptop |
| 16:33.34 | johnx_ | dvi to vga converter exist, right? |
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| 16:34.15 | Pavlov | beagles don't have screens to break either |
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| 16:34.17 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i'm of the opinion that i should use old equipment until the benefit of something newer warrants the cost |
| 16:34.27 | Stskeeps | or the pain |
| 16:34.28 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:34.49 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, if you had upgraded to an LCD 4 years ago, you would've recouped the cost in electricity saving several times over. |
| 16:34.55 | johnx_ | Stskeeps, I know what you mean...all my crts finally died horrible, slow deaths |
| 16:35.00 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: oh, i don't get charged for electricity :P |
| 16:35.05 | johnx_ | I'm lucky too, cause I have no desktop space for them |
| 16:35.06 | Stskeeps | very low flat rate |
| 16:35.14 | jott | rm_you: pong |
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| 16:42.04 | RST38h | back |
| 16:42.07 | RST38h | -303! |
| 16:42.21 | RST38h | Isn't it fun to watch, in a weird macabre way? |
| 16:46.37 | liri | can the default media player or canola play http streams from vlc? |
| 16:46.42 | johnx_ | RST38h, how is it where you are? |
| 16:47.16 | Khertan_n810 | my crt died violently too |
| 16:47.17 | Khertan_n810 | with the mother board, and all thing plugged in the electric plug in my student appartement |
| 16:49.17 | johnx_ | RST38h, so what do you think? time to buy in yet? |
| 16:49.46 | Stskeeps | nokia stock? :P |
| 16:50.11 | johnx_ | I think the DOW is what he's on about |
| 16:50.19 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 16:50.24 | johnx_ | took awhile to figure out that wasn't just a random number :) |
| 16:51.37 | RST38h | johnx: also not good |
| 16:52.18 | RST38h | johnx: government stopped trading for a few hours, reopened it, and MMVB-3%, RTS-6% |
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| 16:52.50 | johnx_ | ick |
| 16:52.51 | RST38h | johnx: I dunno. Looks like this is not the end of the descent |
| 16:55.32 | johnx_ | ha! my bank is getting screwed too |
| 16:56.14 | RST38h | johnx: if this goes for a few more days, there is a good chance that Putin says "ok, we tried market economy and it did not work out" and just tells the government to buy whatever remains of the stocks, wholesale |
| 16:56.30 | Stskeeps | and puts back communism into place saying they were just hibernating? :P |
| 16:56.34 | RST38h | that would be fun |
| 16:56.39 | johnx_ | RST38h, seriously? |
| 16:56.49 | RST38h | sts: more or less, although it is socialism, basically |
| 16:56.58 | RST38h | johnx: yes. |
| 16:57.02 | johnx_ | O_o |
| 16:57.18 | RST38h | johnx: they have got the money - 3rd place in gold reserves in the world |
| 16:57.31 | johnx_ | ahaha...Japan Tobacco is up. Stressed out bank execs need to smoke :D |
| 16:57.35 | johnx_ | RST38h, gold is down though... |
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| 16:57.56 | RST38h | johnx: it'll be up in no time now =) |
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| 17:01.12 | dystopia | NOK 5,69% down |
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| 17:02.24 | RST38h | As a side note, Obama is up |
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| 17:04.15 | johnx_ | wonders about currency values as modest builds |
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| 17:08.57 | Khertan_n810 | Someone have ten minutes to help me ? |
| 17:09.04 | RST38h | johnx: ruble has been down but is now floating around 25.5/$ |
| 17:09.09 | RST38h | khetan:? |
| 17:09.23 | Khertan_n810 | mCalendar icon doesn t appear in the tasknav |
| 17:09.31 | Khertan_n810 | and i don t understand why |
| 17:09.51 | Khertan_n810 | i think it s .desktop problem |
| 17:10.05 | RST38h | johnx: euro appears to be up relative to $ |
| 17:10.07 | Khertan_n810 | but after refine and revise it again and again |
| 17:10.18 | Khertan_n810 | i ve still the same problem |
| 17:10.20 | RST38h | Khertan: on the left side, where running apps icons are? |
| 17:10.33 | Khertan_n810 | RST38h: yep |
| 17:10.41 | RST38h | not a .desktop problem |
| 17:10.49 | RST38h | you have to report your app name to gtk |
| 17:10.50 | Khertan_n810 | hum really ? |
| 17:10.53 | RST38h | a second |
| 17:10.59 | Khertan_n810 | arg ... |
| 17:11.02 | Khertan_n810 | this suck |
| 17:11.10 | Khertan_n810 | i blank it |
| 17:11.21 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.21 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.22 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.32 | RST38h | the first line (gtk_init) is what you need |
| 17:11.36 | Khertan_n810 | as when creating window with Hildon window and python |
| 17:11.37 | Khertan_n810 | binding |
| 17:11.54 | RST38h | you have to do it somehow |
| 17:12.00 | Khertan_n810 | if you don t clear the name, it show the name of the python file + the name of the window |
| 17:12.09 | RST38h | or it won't know what icon to show |
| 17:12.22 | Khertan_n810 | hum i will try ... thx |
| 17:12.33 | RST38h | fake argc/argv for it |
| 17:12.37 | Khertan_n810 | i think too it could be a dbus things |
| 17:14.33 | Khertan_n810 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:14.37 | Khertan_n810 | seems to be not enoughn |
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| 17:15.25 | RST38h | no, you need to pass argc/argv to gtk_init |
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| 17:17.25 | rm_you | jott: reping |
| 17:17.50 | jott | rm_you: what's up? :) |
| 17:18.25 | rm_you | we're going for food and a pint. |
| 17:18.34 | jott | aye. where to? |
| 17:18.56 | rm_you | irish pub next to the hotel here |
| 17:19.30 | rm_you | in the shopping center belw the hotel |
| 17:19.59 | jott | hmm, alright. i think i'll come around. when are you there? |
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| 17:20.43 | GNUton | Hi there |
| 17:21.01 | mikkov_ | Khertan: set_title() could be what you're looking for |
| 17:21.06 | rm_you | going now. be there for a while. i can call you on timeless' phone in a bit |
| 17:21.52 | Khertan_n810 | set_title doesn t seems to work for icon |
| 17:22.19 | mikkov_ | ah, ok haven't really tried |
| 17:22.41 | mikkov_ | osso_initialize() had something? |
| 17:23.22 | jott | hello GNUton |
| 17:24.12 | RST38h | Kherton, gtk_init |
| 17:24.30 | RST38h | Khertan: it makes no sense to try other ways. I have already tried them all :) |
| 17:25.20 | mikkov_ | you don't really call gtk_init directly in pygtk? |
| 17:25.30 | Khertan_n810 | but i don t understand as i don t set it on pygtkediotr and it s work |
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| 17:25.51 | Khertan_n810 | and i ven t found how to call gtk_init in python way |
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| 17:30.30 | chrisv | hi folks |
| 17:30.43 | mikkov_ | Khertan_n810: you have specified service file in mcalendar.desktop but there is no .service file with that name |
| 17:30.53 | RST38h | Khertan: I am sure python calls it for you implicitely |
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| 17:31.57 | Khertan_n810 | mikkov_: usr/share/dbus-1/services/mcalendar.service |
| 17:32.01 | Khertan_n810 | not here ? |
| 17:32.20 | chrisv | n00b question: as it seems there is no resolvconf (the program, not the resolv.conf file) on maemo, how is one supposed to add a nameserver dynamically (trying to setup openvpn)? |
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| 17:33.27 | mikkov_ | Khertan_n810: ah, ok I was looking for net.khertan.mcalendar. Forgot difference between service name and actual file ;) |
| 17:33.42 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
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| 17:36.41 | dougt_ | noob q -- when you boot a different kernel using the flasher, do you lose access to your media cards? |
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| 17:37.02 | Khertan_n810 | sorry 3g connection drop sometimes |
| 17:38.35 | johnx_ | modest is not a small app... |
| 17:39.03 | mikkov_ | chrisv: you could try some hackery with up and down scripts if you know dns servers beforehand |
| 17:39.15 | Khertan_n810 | i ll say more : modest is the best mobile email client i have ever see |
| 17:40.09 | johnx_ | Khertan, you and me are the only 2 people who think that... |
| 17:40.22 | mikkov_ | chrisv: this could also be helpful https://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?thread_id=3286&forum_id=2715 |
| 17:41.17 | chrisv | mikkov: thx, that dnsmasq thing seems to be exactly what I was looking for |
| 17:41.33 | RST38h | johnx,Khertan: you are |
| 17:41.46 | RST38h | it's awful, mostly because of the bugs |
| 17:42.23 | RST38h | but a non-proportional font setting and the ability to see *all* your accounts at the left would also help it |
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| 17:42.38 | Khertan_n810 | RST38h: i don t see bugs ... |
| 17:42.51 | Khertan_n810 | ok sometimes a killall modest help |
| 17:43.17 | johnx_ | there are bugs...it's just better than anything *else* |
| 17:43.32 | Khertan_n810 | (a connection drop while retrieving a mail can freeze the retrieving process) |
| 17:43.32 | jott | mutt :) |
| 17:43.44 | Khertan_n810 | Pyne4Maemo :) |
| 17:43.57 | Khertan_n810 | not bugged ... but less function |
| 17:44.07 | johnx_ | heh...the big win for modest is that it's thumb-friendly |
| 17:44.09 | Khertan_n810 | no ssl |
| 17:44.13 | Khertan_n810 | no imap |
| 17:44.37 | Khertan_n810 | and have a great interface |
| 17:45.20 | Khertan_n810 | simple ... and not many click are requirement to do sample thing |
| 17:45.31 | Khertan_n810 | s/requirement/required |
| 17:45.41 | Khertan_n810 | s/sample/simple |
| 17:45.48 | Khertan_n810 | s/thing/things |
| 17:45.50 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 17:46.07 | johnx_ | exactly. it covers 90% of my usage while mobile |
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| 17:51.08 | Sargun_Screen | i like the treo keyboard far better |
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| 17:51.29 | Sargun_Screen | but its too od for a device as large as a tablet |
| 17:51.54 | johnx_ | I like the zaurus 5500 keyboard best...but maybe I'm weird |
| 17:52.11 | johnx_ | ...for treo-sized keyboards |
| 17:52.22 | johnx_ | and the zaurus c1000 keyboard for bigger ones |
| 17:53.04 | Khertan_n810 | i like the one from the n810 |
| 17:53.30 | Khertan_n810 | anyway i ve never try the keyboard of the 5500 |
| 17:53.44 | Khertan_n810 | but i know i don t like the treo one |
| 17:55.08 | johnx_ | and modest built! |
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| 17:59.15 | dystopia | mutt supports ssl as does stunnel |
| 17:59.26 | RST38h | PINE. |
| 17:59.31 | RST38h | wants his PINE. |
| 17:59.49 | johnx_ | hits RST38h with a PINE |
| 17:59.55 | dystopia | uw bleh, not free enough |
| 18:00.06 | RST38h | Microsoft Almost Bought Nintendo, And More Revelations by Peter Moore [Microsoft] |
| 18:00.12 | RST38h | scary shit |
| 18:00.44 | RST38h | has no problem with "not free". It is free if they let me use it for free and do not bugger me |
| 18:00.54 | Khertan_n810 | RST38h: ? |
| 18:01.15 | dystopia | strange maybe join #warez instead |
| 18:01.31 | RST38h | dystopia: I did not mention "steal" anywhere |
| 18:01.47 | RST38h | uw lets me use PINE for free. No stealing involved. |
| 18:01.48 | dystopia | "steal" |
| 18:01.59 | dystopia | if you want scary proza try halloween files ;-) |
| 18:02.19 | RST38h | yea, but MS buying Nintendo - horror! |
| 18:02.21 | dystopia | why not just use mutt? |
| 18:02.29 | RST38h | not used to it, that's all |
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| 18:02.37 | Khertan_n810 | rst38h : a rumor ? |
| 18:02.37 | dystopia | or sth else actively mantained |
| 18:02.38 | RST38h | would probably use it otherwise |
| 18:02.42 | Khertan_n810 | or for real |
| 18:02.51 | dystopia | consider muttlikepine |
| 18:03.03 | RST38h | Khertan: http://gizmodo.com/5051146/microsoft-almost-bought-nintendo-and-more-revelations-by-peter-moore |
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| 18:03.47 | dystopia | glad they didn't, now we have the Wii |
| 18:05.33 | GeneralAntilles | http://tservice.net.ru/~s0mbre/blog/2008/09/17/ |
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| 18:06.50 | johnx_ | oooh...the new gumstix |
| 18:06.54 | johnx_ | didn't know about that |
| 18:07.25 | Stskeeps | hehe, that looks cute |
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| 18:08.05 | Khertan_n810 | 18 juil 2007 peter moore leave microsoft for EA Sport |
| 18:08.12 | Khertan_n810 | not really a fresh news |
| 18:08.14 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
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| 18:13.57 | konttori | hi |
| 18:14.09 | dystopia | hello |
| 18:14.12 | konttori | what have people been thinking about the page 3 on aris slides? |
| 18:14.32 | konttori | http://www.slideshare.net/silpol/nokia-and-maemo-next-iteration-presentation/ |
| 18:14.49 | GeneralAntilles | I think HSDPA sounds expensive. |
| 18:14.56 | dystopia | the hot debate involves HSPA |
| 18:15.04 | dystopia | some love it, some hate it |
| 18:15.12 | GeneralAntilles | I'm interested to know if we'll be getting a RAM upgrade. |
| 18:15.27 | johnx_ | me? I'm against sharing photos. Stealing souls is the devil's work! |
| 18:15.35 | Khertan_n810 | i m more interested by the slide page 6 |
| 18:15.36 | GeneralAntilles | Micron only offers a 256MB PoP without the NAND. |
| 18:15.38 | johnx_ | GeneralAntilles, my sources say no |
| 18:15.44 | Khertan_n810 | more at the devsesh 5 :) |
| 18:15.53 | GeneralAntilles | johnx_, it depends. |
| 18:16.22 | Blafasel | HSPA would be nice |
| 18:16.53 | konttori | well, wimax is not so wide spread, and there seems to be unlimited data plans all over the place these days |
| 18:17.06 | konttori | at least to me that sounds pretty good. |
| 18:17.08 | johnx_ | HSPA without a huge price hike would be nice. so would a free lunch. too bad neither exist... |
| 18:17.25 | GeneralAntilles | konttori, data'll be at least $30/mo. |
| 18:17.29 | GeneralAntilles | Here in the US. |
| 18:17.38 | GeneralAntilles | That's more than I want to pay. |
| 18:17.44 | konttori | we have in finland 9 euros per month unlimited data on 3g |
| 18:18.06 | GeneralAntilles | I wouldn't care so much if they were offering a tablet WITHOUT the HSPA modem that I'm not going to use. . . . |
| 18:18.13 | GeneralAntilles | But it doesn't sound particularly promising. |
| 18:18.21 | konttori | how about the omap3? |
| 18:18.25 | Blafasel | Hmm.. Data is 25 EUR here, I only cancelled it some days ago because of my mofo stupid f..ing carrier. |
| 18:18.38 | GeneralAntilles | Eh, that's been expected for a while. |
| 18:18.45 | GeneralAntilles | Nothing new there. |
| 18:18.51 | Stskeeps | konttori: expected - just hoping the battery life is just as good :P |
| 18:18.59 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, it will be. |
| 18:19.08 | GeneralAntilles | Well, we've got two extra cores in the game. |
| 18:19.17 | GeneralAntilles | So the high-usage scenario may be a bit shorter |
| 18:19.25 | konttori | well, I would expect that the battery life would be. I don't think nokia would unlearn the linux power management overnight |
| 18:19.26 | GeneralAntilles | but regular use should be the same life, if not better. |
| 18:19.44 | GeneralAntilles | Well, OMAP3 has almost the same consumption figures as OMAP2 |
| 18:19.51 | GeneralAntilles | at 2-3x the performance. :D |
| 18:20.42 | konttori | sure. and that sounds pretty nice for flash on the browser |
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| 18:21.03 | johnx_ | and video! and games! |
| 18:21.06 | GeneralAntilles | Flashy UI compositing effects. |
| 18:21.11 | konttori | do they mention anything about which omap3? |
| 18:21.17 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 18:21.25 | GeneralAntilles | But there's pretty much no chance it wont be the OMAP3430 |
| 18:21.36 | GeneralAntilles | But there's pretty much no chance it wont be the OMAP3440 is really a UMPC chip |
| 18:21.48 | dystopia | data plans are cheap nowadays |
| 18:21.57 | GeneralAntilles | and the OMAP3420 and OMAP3410 are missing cores/have smaller LCD controllers. |
| 18:22.04 | GeneralAntilles | dystopia, not cheap enough. |
| 18:22.09 | GeneralAntilles | and more expensive than just tethering for me. |
| 18:22.19 | dystopia | then you go tether:-) |
| 18:22.31 | GeneralAntilles | and pay for an HSPA modem I wont use. |
| 18:22.38 | konttori | so, are you saying it's either 3430 or 3440? |
| 18:22.39 | GeneralAntilles | doesn't like paying for hardware that wont be used. |
| 18:22.43 | dystopia | or don't buy the device |
| 18:22.49 | GeneralAntilles | konttori, there's pretty much no chance of it being OMAP3440 |
| 18:22.53 | dystopia | oh i get that all the time |
| 18:23.02 | konttori | ah. so, that leaves 3430? |
| 18:23.03 | dystopia | i get software free when i buy hardware |
| 18:23.03 | GeneralAntilles | It's almost certainly (like, 99%) that it'll be OMAP3430 |
| 18:23.08 | dystopia | nero, for example |
| 18:23.11 | dystopia | or windows |
| 18:23.19 | GeneralAntilles | OMAP3430 is 600MHz, OMAP3440 is 800MHz |
| 18:23.30 | dystopia | or SD card, or cables, or car mount kit |
| 18:23.31 | GeneralAntilles | The voltage bump to get 800MHz is less than trivial. |
| 18:24.06 | RST38h | So, anything new on that Jaaksi speech? |
| 18:24.28 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, did you see the slides or the blog post? |
| 18:24.38 | RST38h | yes, but slide look very generic |
| 18:24.44 | GeneralAntilles | http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/ |
| 18:24.46 | RST38h | nothing in them really |
| 18:25.04 | GeneralAntilles | Well, they summarize the content of the speech pretty nicely. |
| 18:25.05 | konttori | so, 3430 cannot be run on any greater speed than 600? |
| 18:25.28 | johnx_ | Stskeeps, modest runs ok with different gtk themes...though it's missing a huge chunk of icons |
| 18:25.39 | GeneralAntilles | konttori, well, the Pandora guys got the OMAP3530 (same chip, except missing a couple interfaces and slightly larger ball-pitch) up to 900MHz |
| 18:25.46 | johnx_ | and since it's coded with only the hildon theme in mind some widgets are mis-sized |
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| 18:26.00 | GeneralAntilles | It can be overclocked, but the chance of it just up and dying one day goes up fairly significantly. |
| 18:26.37 | RST38h | BTW, those 900MHz or 600MHz will do you no good if your SDRAM is clocked at 100MHz |
| 18:26.54 | johnx_ | and nokia will definitely ship a smaller, tighter system with less room for heat to go |
| 18:26.59 | RST38h | Unless, of course, you are running some video decoder that fits into cache, with data |
| 18:27.02 | GeneralAntilles | 133MHz, RST38h. |
| 18:27.13 | Stskeeps | johnx_: sounds interesting |
| 18:27.19 | RST38h | GAN: Low :( Cache sizes in these chips? |
| 18:27.30 | GeneralAntilles | brainfarts. |
| 18:28.11 | GeneralAntilles | digs up the Beagle hardware reference. |
| 18:28.14 | RST38h | Found it |
| 18:28.15 | RST38h | L1: 32 KB (ARM Cortex-A8) |
| 18:28.27 | RST38h | L2: 96 KB (DSP),256 KB (ARM Cortex-A8) |
| 18:28.35 | RST38h | 256kB L2 is nice |
| 18:29.15 | RST38h | Does not tell clocks per access for these though and whether they are joint or separate caches |
| 18:29.55 | RST38h | Ah, found it. L1: 4-way associative 16kB I and D caches |
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| 18:30.08 | Stskeeps | johnx_: screenshot? |
| 18:30.41 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, this may be meaningful to you: http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/12c7bd415fbc0993/456fd8eda1edde8e?lnk=gst&q=memory#456fd8eda1edde8e |
| 18:31.02 | RST38h | 256kB L2 cache is unified |
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| 18:32.35 | RST38h | GAN: Seeing how far his C and Simd figures are, he is measuring code executing time =) |
| 18:32.43 | hung_andrew | Hi, all. Such a question. How much tome does it take to fully charge your Nokia N810 from zero? |
| 18:32.54 | hung_andrew | how much time |
| 18:32.58 | GeneralAntilles | hung_andrew, 30 minutes to 80%, 2.5 hours to 100% |
| 18:33.11 | RST38h | Later he quotes 168MB/s and 190MB/s |
| 18:33.14 | GeneralAntilles | 2-3 hours total. |
| 18:33.47 | hung_andrew | thank you all, this is my first N810 charging |
| 18:33.49 | johnx_ | Stskeeps, finding a section of my mail I don't mind putting in a screenie :) |
| 18:34.05 | RST38h | His effective rate is 47.5 million accesses per second |
| 18:34.16 | Stskeeps | johnx_: viagra spam ;) |
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| 18:34.35 | RST38h | Well, it probably comes down to 133MHz you quoted |
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| 18:38.43 | GeneralAntilles | btw, Ari may have let slip the new term. |
| 18:38.47 | GeneralAntilles | "multimedia computer" |
| 18:39.28 | Stskeeps | that's .. so 90s? |
| 18:39.37 | johnx_ | Stskeeps, http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/modest-screenie.png |
| 18:39.47 | RST38h | GAN: This is the term they used to refer to N95 initially |
| 18:39.49 | RST38h | It is not new |
| 18:39.52 | johnx_ | have to figure out why localization didn't take... |
| 18:39.56 | Stskeeps | johnx_: hehe, funky |
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| 18:40.03 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, "may" |
| 18:40.05 | GeneralAntilles | It's in the blog post. |
| 18:40.15 | RST38h | GAN: The had to scrap it last time as it confused potential buyers |
| 18:40.18 | johnx_ | Stskeeps, yeah, but it works! |
| 18:40.32 | Stskeeps | johnx_: maybe localization is seperated out into sapwood too or something |
| 18:40.32 | RST38h | "What do you mean 'computer'? It is not a phone?" :) |
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| 18:40.46 | GeneralAntilles | More appropriate for a tablet |
| 18:40.55 | Stskeeps | i think internet tablet would be just as good really, even with 3g :P |
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| 18:41.09 | RST38h | yep, although somehow I doubt it will fly for the tablet either =( |
| 18:41.29 | RST38h | quite a lot of "normal people" (tm) consider computer dull |
| 18:41.32 | johnx_ | Stskeeps, nah...sapwood is just for caching/drawing pixmaps...thank god |
| 18:41.51 | dystopia | N9/3=3G |
| 18:41.59 | GeneralAntilles | They should just call it a "magic box" |
| 18:42.15 | RST38h | The Pad! |
| 18:42.35 | RST38h | Just copy those damn StarTrek datapads already! =) |
| 18:42.46 | Getkeys | they could call it the "NIT", where NIT would stand for NIT Is a Tablet |
| 18:42.48 | Stskeeps | think usability studies on those showed they were.. horrid |
| 18:42.48 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:43.02 | RST38h | NIT is a measurement unit for light, I think |
| 18:43.21 | RST38h | Sts: Actually, they have been designed for the series by a professional UI designer |
| 18:43.32 | johnx_ | also a small bug, IIRC |
| 18:43.37 | dystopia | 'just give me the box' |
| 18:43.44 | RST38h | Sts: this is why they look usable enoug |
| 18:44.00 | Stskeeps | ah |
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| 18:44.15 | Getkeys | or !Phone |
| 18:44.28 | johnx_ | always funny to see the big, clunky computers of star trek from 10-15 years ago :) |
| 18:44.29 | dystopia | 'shall i describe it to you, or do you need a box' bah im sure someone can come up with a good quote referring to device |
| 18:44.39 | Stskeeps | i call my tablet my device |
| 18:44.39 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:44.49 | Stskeeps | atleast when speaking to the gf.. |
| 18:44.49 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:44.57 | dystopia | N810 i call patched magic hat |
| 18:45.21 | GeneralAntilles | johnx_, it makes me sad that I can see that the datapads are just decals. :( |
| 18:45.24 | dystopia | N800 i refer to as twin towel |
| 18:45.29 | RST38h | Sts: at least you are not calling it your precioussss |
| 18:45.48 | dystopia | hihi:-) |
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| 18:48.34 | Stskeeps | RST38h: .. sometimes ;> |
| 18:48.58 | johnx_ | alright...got icons with the hildon-icons theme in debian |
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| 18:49.12 | johnx_ | I had localization working before in debian beta2 |
| 18:49.30 | johnx_ | but for now, time to call it a night |
| 18:50.21 | Stskeeps | nini |
| 18:50.31 | Stskeeps | goes rewrite the postdebootstrap part of installer |
| 18:51.10 | johnx_ | heh...even the color select works for writing in annoying colors in your html emails |
| 18:51.13 | johnx_ | w00! |
| 18:51.17 | johnx_ | really sleeps |
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| 18:54.24 | hung_andrew | Hello, again. How long does it take to flash my N810 tablet to RX-44_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14 under Windows? |
| 18:54.38 | GeneralAntilles | ~20 seconds for the flashing |
| 18:54.52 | GeneralAntilles | However long it takes you to download ~128MB to download ~128MB |
| 18:55.44 | hung_andrew | cool. thank you all, guys |
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| 19:42.55 | GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3560#add_comment |
| 19:43.01 | GeneralAntilles | shakes his head. |
| 19:44.56 | lcuk | jott, are you about |
| 19:48.56 | GeneralAntilles | Christ |
| 19:48.57 | GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3722 |
| 19:49.09 | GeneralAntilles | When you do unsupported things, you get unsupported behaviors. |
| 19:49.55 | Stskeeps | you searched for 'red pill'? :P |
| 19:50.33 | GeneralAntilles | No, it was in the recent changes search. |
| 19:51.27 | Stskeeps | doesn't red pill just give more trouble than gain really? i mean, from what i understand of it, it just converts app manager into synaptic with all gory details on |
| 19:51.33 | Stskeeps | and that's for people who can't do apt-get |
| 19:51.33 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 19:52.54 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, only people who understand it should use it |
| 19:52.58 | GeneralAntilles | and he clearly doesn't understand it. |
| 19:53.09 | yerga | GeneralAntilles, another similar bug reported for him: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3463 |
| 19:53.16 | GeneralAntilles | yerga, he's full of them. |
| 19:55.13 | sp3000 | GeneralAntilles: meh, re 3722 it's reasonable enough to request that it be documented on the red pill page in the wiki |
| 19:55.38 | GeneralAntilles | That's hardly a bugzilla issue. |
| 19:55.59 | sp3000 | shruggery |
| 19:56.19 | GeneralAntilles | I'm probably a bit biased against him |
| 19:56.30 | GeneralAntilles | as I'm really goddamn tired of his endless streams of useless bugs. |
| 19:57.06 | GeneralAntilles | "Let's put 6 issues into 1 bug report, then whine about 3 other unrelated things." |
| 19:57.13 | sp3000 | almost useless is ok |
| 19:57.20 | sp3000 | yeah, the presentation isn't optimal |
| 19:57.32 | GeneralAntilles | It wouldn't be so bad if he'd figure it out. |
| 19:58.24 | GeneralAntilles | They're the type of bugs that require the maximum amount of effort from the triager. |
| 19:58.33 | GeneralAntilles | They're not quite bad enough that you can just mark them as INVALID |
| 19:58.54 | GeneralAntilles | but they're not quite good enough that making useful bugs out of them is a reasonable proposition. |
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| 20:14.11 | hrw | GeneralAntilles: will you be on summit? |
| 20:14.30 | GeneralAntilles | Nah, not making this one. |
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| 20:52.11 | hrw | bye |
| 20:55.30 | GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/service_break_23_9_2008.html |
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| 20:56.39 | GeneralAntilles | Hello, lardman__. |
| 20:57.08 | lardman__ | hi GeneralAntilles |
| 20:57.20 | lardman__ | it's been a long day, home at last :) |
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| 20:57.38 | derf | lardman__: Looked at the QR code stuff I checked in yet? |
| 20:58.01 | lardman__ | derf: I've been at a conf I'm afraid, hardly had time to check my email |
| 20:59.07 | GeneralAntilles | lardman__, I was noticing that the sprint review is still planned for Friday on the wiki. |
| 20:59.11 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody should poke Quim about that. |
| 20:59.23 | GeneralAntilles | Somehow I don't think a ~1-2 hour review is gonna fit into that tight schedule. |
| 21:00.50 | derf | lardman__: That's why I'm poking you about it now. |
| 21:01.24 | lardman__ | derf: I'm not going to get a chance before I go I wouldn;t think |
| 21:01.37 | lardman__ | derf: but will try to take a look tomorrow before if I have time |
| 21:01.51 | lcuk | should be asleep now |
| 21:02.01 | lcuk | hi lardman__ :) |
| 21:02.27 | lardman__ | hi lcuk |
| 21:02.33 | lardman__ | lcuk: you over there already? |
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| 21:02.54 | lcuk | no - io have a flight at 745 tomorrow mornin |
| 21:03.04 | GeneralAntilles | Ouch |
| 21:03.08 | lcuk | im trying to find out how long before i have to be at airport |
| 21:03.22 | qwerty12_N800 | that's a shame. still being in the north that is. |
| 21:03.30 | qwerty12_N800 | :p |
| 21:03.39 | RST38h | ok, finally caught modest hanging |
| 21:03.49 | tuukkah | any pointers on how to import the phone book of my s40 phone into the tablet contacts system? |
| 21:03.51 | lcuk | it does say last checkin 30mins before - can i trust that and get there for about 630 ? |
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| 21:03.58 | RST38h | looks like it does not like when the wifi connection breaks while it is checking for email |
| 21:04.11 | RST38h | in this case it gets stuck and stays stuck until killed |
| 21:04.20 | lbt | lcuk: who you flying with |
| 21:04.39 | lcuk | Lufthansa |
| 21:04.42 | lbt | cheapo airlines will refuse to board you if *their* watch says 30 mins... |
| 21:04.53 | GeneralAntilles | tuukkah, vcards? |
| 21:05.00 | lbt | it's not worth pushing the limits... |
| 21:05.02 | lcuk | right, so if i give myself 60minutes i should be ok |
| 21:05.22 | lcuk | flight depart 745. i arrive at airport at 630 ;) |
| 21:05.25 | RST38h | Lufthansa eek |
| 21:05.35 | lcuk | its even worse, its a frikkin minibus |
| 21:05.46 | RST38h | lcuk: add 45 minutes for the anal cavity check! |
| 21:05.54 | qwerty12_N800 | lol |
| 21:05.56 | lcuk | im not goin to america |
| 21:06.02 | lbt | good point |
| 21:06.03 | RST38h | [or whatever those security people do to passengers nowadays] |
| 21:06.36 | lcuk | ok, what time would you lot aim to be at the airport for a 7:45 flight.. ? |
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| 21:06.49 | RST38h | 2 hours in advance at least |
| 21:06.53 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 21:06.57 | lbt | typically 2 hrs |
| 21:07.07 | tuukkah | GeneralAntilles, do you know how to get the vcards out of the phone? |
| 21:07.10 | RST38h | if it is a us airport - 3 hours |
| 21:07.11 | lcuk | sets his clock for 5:15 |
| 21:07.16 | GeneralAntilles | tuukkah, Bluetooth? |
| 21:07.34 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe a memory card if you've got the right cards/adaptors. |
| 21:07.38 | lcuk | thats more sleep than i normally get in a workday! |
| 21:07.43 | lbt | hey lcuk is slashdot's main page down? |
| 21:08.01 | lcuk | fine this end |
| 21:08.23 | lcuk | gulp! i just clicked for plane info on the checkmytrip page, it says "Aircraft Info close |
| 21:08.23 | lcuk | This Aircraft is not supported. " |
| 21:08.25 | tuukkah | GeneralAntilles, would be cool if the file manager showed the contacts as a file on the phone... |
| 21:08.25 | MangoFusion | slashdot down? OMFG..... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! |
| 21:08.39 | MangoFusion | *phew*, still working here |
| 21:08.42 | lcuk | lbt, hit refresh a few hundred times ;) or build a script |
| 21:08.54 | MangoFusion | darn you lbt. getting me all worried like that! ;) |
| 21:09.06 | lbt | ah were lufthansa todays airline? |
| 21:09.23 | lcuk | this is how serious DOS attacks start you know - whisper campaigns - soon it will be in the news and millions of geeks will be hittin refresh on the slash homepage |
| 21:09.41 | lbt | not if it's down |
| 21:09.53 | lbt | then the geeks are in the dark |
| 21:10.17 | lbt | actually telnet slashdot.org 80 doesn't connect either... |
| 21:10.42 | lbt | what does it resolve to? 216.34.181.45 |
| 21:10.54 | lcuk | you havent put some kind of anti-time waste program on :D |
| 21:11.00 | tuukkah | GeneralAntilles, for each contact on the phone, i can send it as MMS or SMS , or over infrared or bluetooth. the tablet doesn't know how to receive those |
| 21:11.21 | lcuk | no, 216.34.181.48 |
| 21:11.39 | tuukkah | gnokii can backup the contacts, but it has its own format |
| 21:11.41 | lcuk | you are stale and out of date :P |
| 21:11.49 | lbt | hmm, I was playing with DNS at the weekend |
| 21:11.58 | lbt | whilst rebuilding my array *AGAIN* |
| 21:12.01 | lcuk | then unplay |
| 21:12.13 | lbt | djdns soon... |
| 21:13.07 | lcuk | doesnt wanna put his zippo into his main luggage :( |
| 21:13.21 | lcuk | but i hated to see it violated and stripsearched by the french |
| 21:14.05 | lbt | strap it to your nokia with some wires... what could possibly go wrong |
| 21:14.08 | lcuk | tonight is the first night ive not wanted to hack at liqbase :) |
| 21:14.18 | lcuk | nahh |
| 21:14.37 | lcuk | ive lost my emergency charger though - i dunno what im gonna do |
| 21:16.22 | lcuk | 7 hours and then it starts |
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| 21:22.20 | tuukkah | oh, wow, unlike what the man page says, gnokii has the option to use vcard format for the phone book =) |
| 21:22.21 | lbt | ah : added Netfilter auto-block against 216.34.181.45 for 604800 seconds |
| 21:24.22 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PRVkUe5tzE |
| 21:26.07 | GeneralAntilles | Slower than Fennec? |
| 21:26.10 | GeneralAntilles | He's kidding, right? |
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| 21:30.19 | andrewfblack | anyone know a VNC server that has a decent web viewer, all the ones I've used are very slow over web and I need something I can use at work and I hate using services like logmein.com |
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| 21:42.27 | lardman__ | ~lart TalkTalk |
| 21:42.27 | infobot | says "boot to the head" and knocks TalkTalk over |
| 21:43.36 | qwerty12_N800 | keep on disconnecting you? my cousin had to keep rebooting his talktalk router :/ |
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| 21:44.57 | lardman__ | qwerty12_N800: I have to talk to someone there; it was rock solid for a year, now really crappy |
| 21:45.38 | lardman__ | I wonder if it conincides with my contract being up and my saying that I'd think about whether to sign up for another stint (nothing wrong with them, I just want channel 5 somehow and Bath is crap for freeview) |
| 21:45.42 | Stskeeps | hrm, makes me want to hear talk talk.. |
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| 21:46.26 | qwerty12_N800 | :(, I hope O² aren't crap. I telnetted into one of their thomson routers and instantly thought wtf |
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| 21:46.58 | lardman__ | btw N810 was great at the conf (free wifi), nice to sit there and check email |
| 21:47.22 | lardman__ | browser still too memory heavy though |
| 21:47.24 | rm_you | qwerty12_N800: any idea on the current state of android on n8x0? |
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| 21:47.46 | lardman__ | rm_you: hmm, is that an answer ;) |
| 21:47.50 | qwerty12_N800 | rm_you: no :/ |
| 21:48.04 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: http://rafb.net/p/K8NFHM29.html <- <3 my new installer |
| 21:48.05 | rm_you | lol? |
| 21:48.11 | qwerty12_N800 | slip of the stylus :) |
| 21:48.39 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: that a question? :p |
| 21:48.58 | rm_you | lardman_: when are you arriving? or did you already and i diidn't realize it? lol |
| 21:49.11 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: hehe, also in the apt-get part of it i've included download and repeat apt-get -d install if it doesnt work first time ;) |
| 21:49.17 | GAN800 | lardman_, we're so close to huge memory usage improvements. . . . |
| 21:49.20 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: for people with broken internet connections |
| 21:49.31 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: .. can't get debootstrap to bloody report it didn't download a package |
| 21:49.50 | lardman__ | crap, I can't get back to Bath from the airport on the way home |
| 21:49.53 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: it does sound useful |
| 21:50.21 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: can't you patch debootstrap yourself? |
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| 21:50.31 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: yeah, i'm inclined to do it |
| 21:51.25 | Stskeeps | that'll probably be a step once i get tired of debootstrap not resuming nicely :P (it does have --download-only but "unable to download package" is a bloody warnin |
| 21:51.29 | Stskeeps | g |
| 21:52.36 | rm_you | lardman: ? |
| 21:53.06 | lardman | rm_you: just checking the public transport links |
| 21:53.14 | lardman | and they don't link on the way back |
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| 21:53.33 | rm_you | lardman_: when are you arriving? or did you already and i didn't realize it? |
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| 21:53.49 | lardman | rm_you: 9pm tomorrow night |
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| 21:54.48 | rm_you | k |
| 21:55.32 | rm_you | there were a couple of guys asking dsp questions, so i told them to talk to you during the summit |
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| 21:56.06 | tuukkah | is there no bin/diff for the tablet? |
| 21:56.14 | lardman | rm_you: cool, thanks |
| 21:56.40 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: am I too late to do my bio? |
| 21:57.09 | GAN800 | Friday is the presentation |
| 21:57.19 | GAN800 | Tim's the one to talk to anyway. |
| 21:57.41 | lardman | GAN800: I emailed him day before yesterday to say I was away, no reply that I've seen |
| 21:58.03 | lardman | I'll send the info round our group anyway so hopefully he'll see it |
| 21:58.08 | GAN800 | Jaffa might be easier to get ahold of |
| 21:58.13 | lardman | probably as busy as I was at conference anyway |
| 21:58.29 | GAN800 | Yeah, just add the info to Google Docs. |
| 21:58.47 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: so have you persuaded someone to setup a portable webcam so you can be there? ;) |
| 21:59.01 | GAN800 | Hehe |
| 21:59.04 | lardman | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.31 | GAN800 | I wanna be a big hologram like Darth Vader. |
| 21:59.36 | lardman | must be doable with one of the messenger apps, or even an ipcam |
| 21:59.41 | lardman | lol |
| 21:59.53 | lardman | so you've not made it to emperor yet then? ;) |
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| 22:01.18 | GAN800 | The Evil Emperor Palpatine is Texrat. |
| 22:01.20 | tuukkah | from #3032 seems we're getting a diff with fremantle |
| 22:01.48 | GAN800 | tuukkah, you'll be set by sometime next year, then. ;) |
| 22:02.42 | tuukkah | GAN800, i'll have to work around, yes :-/ |
| 22:04.47 | Stskeeps | tuukkah: http://maemo.daylessday.org/repo/dists/chinook/user/binary-armel/diffutils-2.8.7.deb is what i use for diff personally |
| 22:06.20 | lardman | robink: I'm back! (saw your comment in the irc logs :) |
| 22:07.55 | lardman | GAN800: Weird, that GoogleDoc only showed your entry from my n810; from my pc I see it all |
| 22:07.58 | lardman | I was confused |
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| 22:09.35 | GAN800 | Nothing new. :P ;) |
| 22:16.38 | lardman | GAN800: I was wondering though |
| 22:16.55 | lardman | GAN800: Google docs was very very slow on the N8x0 browser too :( |
| 22:17.22 | GAN800 | It's a ridiculously heavy js app |
| 22:17.42 | GAN800 | and the js engine we've got is way behind the times. |
| 22:17.53 | lardman | yeah |
| 22:18.05 | lardman | the browser still needs some useability love |
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| 22:19.51 | lardman_ | ~lart Talktalk many times over |
| 22:19.51 | infobot | pulls out his louisville slugger and uses Talktalk many times over's head to break the homerun record |
| 22:20.15 | lardman_ | Right, I've added some blurb |
| 22:20.22 | lardman_ | time to see if I've got a better photo |
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| 22:21.12 | GeneralAntilles | Don't get rid of the silly photo. |
| 22:21.19 | GeneralAntilles | I don't want to be the only one with a silly photo. :P |
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| 22:25.24 | arl_ben | can some one tell me how to update my path on my n810 for programs that i have in my /home/user directory |
| 22:25.46 | tuukkah | thanks Stskeeps, have it now :-) |
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| 22:29.36 | arl_ben | any one? |
| 22:31.28 | tuukkah | arl_ben, PATH is defined in /etc/profile |
| 22:32.41 | arl_ben | ok so when i reboot it should be the same as when i edited it |
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| 22:33.19 | tuukkah | it's enough to open a new terminal |
| 22:33.35 | arl_ben | ok |
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| 22:34.31 | arl_ben | thank you |
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| 22:48.21 | arl_ben | im back when i am not login in as root from using "sudo gainroot" my path is different how can i fix this |
| 22:48.52 | arl_ben | vs non root |
| 22:51.32 | GNUton | night |
| 22:56.26 | tuukkah | arl_ben, good questions. seems to be ugly, in /usr/sbin/gainroot |
| 23:02.07 | arl_ben | so what should i do |
| 23:04.23 | tuukkah | arl_ben, well, the simplest would be to edit that file and remember that the edits get lost whenever a new version of gainroot is installed |
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| 23:05.00 | arl_ben | ok |
| 23:05.03 | arl_ben | thank you |
| 23:05.07 | lardman | dare I try to join? |
| 23:06.10 | lardman | so the n900 spec is out is it? |
| 23:06.15 | lardman | lots to read on ITT |
| 23:06.31 | tuukkah | oh, interesting |
| 23:06.40 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, no specs. |
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| 23:06.52 | lardman | ok, but omap3xxx? |
| 23:06.54 | GeneralAntilles | Just OMAP3, HSPA, HD camera. |
| 23:07.06 | GeneralAntilles | itT is mostly trash today. |
| 23:07.06 | lardman | what's hspa? |
| 23:08.02 | GeneralAntilles | 3G data |
| 23:08.04 | lardman | so it has a phone in it? |
| 23:08.10 | GeneralAntilles | Data-only so far. |
| 23:08.31 | lardman | Interesting, would be fine it it comes with a life-time contract |
| 23:08.44 | GeneralAntilles | Free HSPA for life? |
| 23:08.45 | GeneralAntilles | Ha. |
| 23:08.49 | drjnut | yeah! |
| 23:08.56 | drjnut | I want it too |
| 23:09.13 | lardman | no really, there's some gadget around which offers it, probably just for the year though at a reasonable rate |
| 23:10.35 | robink | lardman: Hey! :-) |
| 23:10.42 | lardman | hi robink |
| 23:11.10 | lardman | http://www.pocketsurfer.co.uk/ was what I was thinking of |
| 23:11.11 | robink | lardman: Just got back from the city. |
| 23:11.34 | lardman | I just got back from Macclesfield :) |
| 23:12.18 | robink | lardman: Do you live near Cheshire? |
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| 23:12.29 | lardman | No, in Bath |
| 23:12.40 | lardman | just under 4hrs to get back :S |
| 23:13.02 | robink | lardman: Yikes. My commute was easier. |
| 23:13.27 | lardman | Off to Berlin tomorrow, Holly's seen me for about 1hr all week |
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| 23:13.55 | GAN800 | Ha |
| 23:14.04 | robink | lardman: Is she coming with you to the summit? |
| 23:14.11 | GAN800 | lardman's running up the relationship debt |
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| 23:14.24 | lardman | robink: Not this time round, she's got work to do |
| 23:14.40 | lardman | GAN800: Well I proposed, so I reckon I'm still in credit; just |
| 23:15.00 | GAN800 | pfft |
| 23:15.07 | lardman | lol |
| 23:16.39 | lardman | is reading the responses to the Ari talk, quite exciting :) |
| 23:22.15 | robink | lardman: Where are you reading this? |
| 23:22.25 | robink | ITT? |
| 23:23.17 | lardman | yeah |
| 23:23.21 | elekt | bathroom? |
| 23:23.27 | lardman | lol |
| 23:23.30 | lardman | no, N810 is flat |
| 23:24.27 | robink | Is the N810 WiMax edition shipping? |
| 23:24.43 | lardman | no idea, no such thing over here aafaik |
| 23:24.48 | lardman | wimax that is |
| 23:24.56 | robink | lardman: Ah |
| 23:26.26 | robink | Sprint is saying "Look at us! We're spending money on WiMax!" but no actual info about technology or deployment. |
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| 23:26.39 | lardman | I thought I read somewhere that that had fallen on its head? Or at least stalled for some reason? |
| 23:26.44 | robink | They're buying out clearwire and merging it with their upcoming network. |
| 23:26.52 | robink | lardman: News to me. |
| 23:27.02 | lardman | I may have got the wrong end of the stick |
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| 23:28.59 | GAN800 | Well, networks are up and usable. |
| 23:29.17 | GAN800 | Texrat brags about it every chance he gets. |
| 23:29.27 | lardman | oh fair enough |
| 23:29.33 | lardman | enough range to reach over here? ;) |
| 23:29.39 | robink | GAN800: Not sure if clearwire's current network is N810-compatible. |
| 23:29.43 | crashanddie | ~nickometer k1Ng_L0u |
| 23:29.59 | lardman | I quite like the sound of a built-in 3G radio, sorry GeneralAntilles |
| 23:30.00 | lopz | hola |
| 23:30.01 | GAN800 | He's using it on a N810W in at least Dallas and Baltimore. |
| 23:30.18 | robink | GAN800: Clearwire? |
| 23:30.32 | GAN800 | robink, I dunno. |
| 23:30.59 | robink | GAN800: Clearwire's current network is some weird Motorola thing. |
| 23:31.04 | lardman | bed time for me, have a presentation to finish tomorrow! |
| 23:31.08 | lardman | night chaps |
| 23:31.36 | robink | GAN800: Dallas and Baltimore are primarily Sprint testbeds. |
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| 23:33.02 | tuukkah | watching q&a linked: http://www.youtube.com/v/-PRVkUe5tzE |
| 23:35.17 | GeneralAntilles | The Fennec vs MicroB comment made me chuckle. |
| 23:35.24 | GeneralAntilles | Fennec is in no way shape or form faster than MicroB |
| 23:35.33 | GeneralAntilles | He's probably got AdBlock installed or some such nonsense. |
| 23:38.57 | tuukkah | which reminds me i didn't get flashblock working properly on microb :-( |
| 23:40.23 | robink | Does anyone know if it's possible to use the N810W with Clearwire's network? |
| 23:40.56 | robink | Sprint hasn't rolled out in my area, and it'll just be Seattle for a while when they do. |
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| 23:41.12 | qnr | Don't know, I asked them if they required their own hardware on my machine |
| 23:41.26 | qnr | and they said yes, so I didn't investigate any further |
| 23:41.29 | robink | qnr: Ah. |
| 23:42.14 | qnr | might be possible if you're technically inclined, but there are a number of free wifi areas in my town so it wasn't so urgent |
| 23:42.39 | robink | qnr: Ah. |
| 23:45.39 | GeneralAntilles | http://bundyo.org/maemo/site/ |
| 23:45.42 | GeneralAntilles | Nice |
| 23:46.12 | elekt | ok. which one of you did sarah palin's yahoo account |
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| 23:46.33 | tuukkah | it's weird but it works: if you install adblock, flashblock starts to work properly too! :-) |
| 23:46.49 | GeneralAntilles | AdBlock nukes performance. |
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| 23:47.55 | tuukkah | have you tried to have it installed but disabled? |
| 23:48.58 | GeneralAntilles | Haven't bothered. |
| 23:49.16 | GeneralAntilles | Flash is off, ads are handled through hosts/css. |
| 23:50.32 | elekt | work for anyone ? http://wikileaks.org/ |
| 23:53.25 | robink | elekt: Not I. |
| 23:53.42 | elekt | it's the sarah palin thing isn't it |
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| 23:54.06 | elekt | the uk one is down too, but i dunno if it's a mirror or just domain |
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