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| 00:15.54 | Alystair | man maybe I should just buy up used iPod Touches instead |
| 00:16.23 | Alystair | I don't know where to go to learn about developing stuff for Maemo |
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| 00:22.41 | lopz | re |
| 00:24.26 | mikkov_ | Alystair: here's info about developing for maemo http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/ |
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| 00:33.32 | Alystair | ok reverting to 2007, 2008 is too slow and buggy on the 770 |
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| 03:26.35 | robink | I seem to be unable to create swap, even though I have enough space on /media/mmc2 |
| 03:26.56 | Jaredu | thatsn ot good |
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| 03:27.48 | robink | Jaredu: Any idea how to fix it? |
| 03:28.19 | Jaredu | absolutely no clue, i get my n810 tomorrow or wednesday via 2nd day air |
| 03:28.26 | robink | Jaredu: Cool. |
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| 03:30.05 | robink | I could always create the swap manually. |
| 03:49.37 | robink | Anyone else had this problem? |
| 03:50.26 | johnx_ | apparently swap can be pretty flakey sometimes |
| 03:52.42 | robink | johnx_: Bummer. |
| 03:52.59 | robink | Well, I'll just hope metalayer-crawler doesn't need /too/ much memory. |
| 03:53.20 | johnx_ | it's been a lot better lately |
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| 03:58.41 | robink | Well it's got more than 2000 OGGs to search through. |
| 03:59.40 | robink | Makin' some swap. |
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| 04:13.19 | tank-man | how come other programs like canola2 index the music so fast it seems |
| 04:14.12 | robink | tank-man: They use lightmediascanner. |
| 04:14.26 | robink | tank-man: ...which is currently missing OGG support in Diablo. |
| 04:14.55 | tank-man | i see |
| 04:14.57 | robink | tank-man: I corresponded with a developer at OpenBossa, and he said they'll have lightmediascanner0-ogg in the Diablo Extras repository in time for the release of canola2_beta10. |
| 04:15.11 | robink | tank-man: ...which should be hopefully by next week. |
| 04:15.44 | robink | Man, I need to buy a Beagle Board. |
| 04:17.07 | kulve | robink: what would you do with a beagleboard? |
| 04:18.12 | robink | kulve: Actually learn how to develop for an OMAP. |
| 04:18.34 | robink | kulve: ...since it's what's going to be used for the next generation of Nokia's tablets, purportedly. |
| 04:19.08 | robink | kulve: I've started to get familiar with the N810's archetecture, but since the 3530 has a different DSP I thought I'd get a BeagleBoard to learn about what the differences are. |
| 04:19.13 | kulve | I guess you can learn most of the omap stuff with n8x0 as well.. |
| 04:19.18 | robink | kulve: That's true. |
| 04:19.58 | kulve | and there's currently two dsp "gateways" for omap3: dsp link and dsp bridge and I think neither of them are in the omap kernel yet.. |
| 04:20.20 | kulve | but nevertheless, it's a fun toy :) |
| 04:20.21 | robink | kulve: Ah. |
| 04:20.24 | robink | kulve: Indeed :-) |
| 04:27.14 | lopz | night |
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| 04:34.10 | robink | 'night lopz |
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| 05:38.44 | tekojo | Morning! |
| 05:40.55 | Stskeeps | morning |
| 05:47.50 | tekojo | What's the best way to start gathering info on what parts of the site the community uses actively? |
| 05:48.04 | Stskeeps | access_log? :> |
| 05:48.28 | tekojo | I mean bigger bits, like wiki, garage (I know these are pretty heavily used) and so forth |
| 05:48.50 | tekojo | Yes :-) but the other side, what is really important |
| 05:49.39 | tekojo | I mean the index page gets a huge number of hits, but my guess is that most people just go somewhere from there |
| 05:50.19 | tekojo | Community mailing list? |
| 05:50.27 | Stskeeps | personally uses the wiki and mailing list archives |
| 05:54.13 | bef0rd | Google analytics :P |
| 05:57.28 | tekojo | Hmm, maybe. But I am interested in knowing what is important (there's enough to do, so figuring out what to do first is an issue) |
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| 06:05.08 | GeneralAntilles | Wiki is top priority. |
| 06:05.32 | GeneralAntilles | I've faced a lot of resistance in getting people to use it because of the server issues. |
| 06:06.03 | GeneralAntilles | Next I'd say that Downloads needs to be fast. |
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| 06:06.20 | tekojo | Thanks GA! |
| 06:06.34 | GeneralAntilles | Then Garage |
| 06:06.48 | GeneralAntilles | Bugzilla is in good shape, so that's not an issue |
| 06:07.00 | Stskeeps | what's with the bizarre obsession with https on garage btw? |
| 06:07.07 | GeneralAntilles | Midgard |
| 06:08.29 | Alystair | hahaha |
| 06:08.37 | Alystair | GeneralAntilles I'm creating the most ghetto awesome system ever |
| 06:08.50 | GeneralAntilles | Alystair, does it involve DOSBox? |
| 06:09.19 | Alystair | since the 770 is too damn slow to run any cool full screen effects, it's just going to VNC into a server that has multiple browser windows specifically locked down for each 770 connected |
| 06:09.30 | Stskeeps | sounds like a plan |
| 06:09.31 | GeneralAntilles | <_< |
| 06:09.31 | Alystair | so it effectively becomes a dumb terminal over wifi |
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| 06:09.51 | GeneralAntilles | Why not just use the 770 to access the site directly? |
| 06:10.06 | Alystair | you try doing slick sliding effects using JS. |
| 06:10.32 | GeneralAntilles | Why does it need to be slick? |
| 06:10.44 | Alystair | because point of sale systems normally suck terribly. |
| 06:10.52 | GeneralAntilles | I mean, not even Apple's PoS system is slick. :P |
| 06:10.59 | Alystair | this is going to be the ipod of POSes. |
| 06:11.14 | Alystair | GeneralAntilles: it is in comparison to other places. instant checkout? awesome. |
| 06:11.16 | bef0rd | jott, ping =) |
| 06:11.29 | GeneralAntilles | I can't see how VNC would be any smoother than local js. |
| 06:11.39 | GeneralAntilles | and can picture it being quite a bit less smooth, in fact. |
| 06:11.51 | Stskeeps | Alystair: if anything fails, there's always X forwarding |
| 06:11.51 | GeneralAntilles | Why not just a native GTK application? |
| 06:12.13 | Alystair | because I know how to make a web application inside out with out learning anything new |
| 06:12.26 | Alystair | and to do a GTK app I'd need to learn a whole slew of new things |
| 06:12.27 | GeneralAntilles | tekojo, in general, I'd prioritize the user stuff over the developer stuff in the short-term. |
| 06:12.40 | GeneralAntilles | Well, it'd be a lot smoother with GTK. |
| 06:13.00 | Alystair | in what language is that coded? |
| 06:13.10 | GeneralAntilles | Take your pick. ;) |
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| 06:13.16 | GeneralAntilles | The preference is C |
| 06:13.27 | GeneralAntilles | Python is also an option, though. |
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| 06:16.32 | Alystair | :/ |
| 06:16.45 | Alystair | I'd need to learn so much just for a "hello world" let alone a slick ipod like interface. |
| 06:17.02 | GeneralAntilles | Heck, there are GTK bindings for PHP if you're really sick. :P |
| 06:17.29 | summatusmentis | there are? |
| 06:17.31 | summatusmentis | gross |
| 06:17.43 | GeneralAntilles | http://gtk.php.net/ |
| 06:18.07 | Alystair | haha just realized this would be a really ugly solution |
| 06:18.12 | Alystair | since there is only one mouse pointer |
| 06:18.23 | Alystair | so people would end up stealing the cursors |
| 06:18.31 | Alystair | blah! |
| 06:18.55 | GeneralAntilles | If you want slick, Python + EFL is gonna be the way to go (Canola) |
| 06:19.37 | jott | bef0rd: pong :) |
| 06:20.39 | Alystair | GeneralAntilles: can I easily create a program in portrait mode? |
| 06:21.35 | Alystair | just googles it all |
| 06:21.57 | GeneralAntilles | Erm, "program in"? |
| 06:22.16 | GeneralAntilles | That'd be a xserver-level deal. |
| 06:22.39 | GeneralAntilles | All you really need to know from a programming standpoint are the window dimensions. |
| 06:22.49 | Alystair | ok |
| 06:23.06 | Alystair | which would be 480x800 |
| 06:23.24 | GeneralAntilles | Right |
| 06:23.30 | GeneralAntilles | brb |
| 06:23.58 | bef0rd | jott, I'm trying to apply the new patches from http://sse2.net/rotate/ |
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| 06:24.31 | bef0rd | jott, I just did the dpkg -i step, but got some error messages ... http://slexy.org/view/s201HTzXBj |
| 06:25.16 | GeneralAntilles | osso-software-version-variant? :\ |
| 06:25.29 | jott | osso-software-version-variant ? |
| 06:25.53 | Alystair | Canola doesn't even run on my 2007HE. Installs, then after running it "Canola - Loading"... then vanishes. |
| 06:25.59 | GeneralAntilles | gets ready to blame rm_you again. |
| 06:26.05 | jott | bef0rd: you only need the -unlocked if you have the "-locked" version :) |
| 06:26.17 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.google.com/search?ie=utf8&oe=utf8&q=osso-software-version-variant |
| 06:26.18 | jott | don't ask me what you have there ;) |
| 06:26.37 | Alystair | jott: Can rotation work on 2007HE :( |
| 06:26.59 | jott | Alystair: theoretically it could |
| 06:27.21 | bef0rd | oh, let me check that package policy |
| 06:27.56 | jott | Alystair: i think the touchscreen makes some trouble when rotated, so this has to be patched somewhere i guess.. |
| 06:28.24 | Alystair | hmm |
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| 06:33.11 | bef0rd | jott, should I follow with the next steps ? :P |
| 06:33.30 | jott | bef0rd: yes. |
| 06:33.47 | jott | bef0rd: you could also remove this variant package and install the proper -unlocked one. |
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| 06:34.28 | Alystair | great |
| 06:34.46 | Alystair | all the "click to install" links are now forwarding back to maemo.org :| |
| 06:34.58 | Alystair | http://maemo-efl.garage.maemo.org/ <-- how can I actually download anything |
| 06:35.42 | bef0rd | jott, according to apt-cache policy I don't have that installed |
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| 06:36.39 | jott | bef0rd: hum.. |
| 06:36.53 | jott | bef0rd: try apt-get -f install ? |
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| 06:37.08 | Alystair | goes back to his absolutely insane VNC idea + VM layer per tablet |
| 06:37.26 | marcell_ | Alystair: change download.maemo.org to repository.maemo.org in the links |
| 06:37.43 | marcell_ | Alystair: on maemo-efl page |
| 06:37.51 | Alystair | this is going to break my fingers |
| 06:37.59 | Alystair | because I can't find the VNC server for os2007 |
| 06:38.09 | Alystair | so I need to retype everything on the damn on-screen thing |
| 06:38.28 | bef0rd | jott, just rebooted from flash, everything seems to be working |
| 06:38.48 | GeneralAntilles | http://mike.saunby.googlepages.com/x11vncfornokia7702 |
| 06:40.04 | Alystair | marcell_: unable to download. application package not found. |
| 06:40.37 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.google.com/search?ie=utf8&oe=utf8&q=site:repository.maemo.org+efl |
| 06:42.16 | Alystair | is this the normal non-windows/osx experience when trying to get work done. |
| 06:43.09 | GeneralAntilles | I say again, the 770 is old and not well supported. |
| 06:43.22 | Alystair | I'm running 2007HE now, that shouldn't be the problem :( |
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| 06:43.25 | GeneralAntilles | You should be aware of what you're getting into when you buy a 3 year old device. ;) |
| 06:43.31 | GeneralAntilles | OS2007 is unsupported. |
| 06:43.32 | RST38h | moo all |
| 06:43.36 | GeneralAntilles | Hacker Edition even more so. |
| 06:45.46 | Alystair | edje demos don't even run on the system :( |
| 06:46.17 | Alystair | thanks for the link to VNC tho |
| 06:46.30 | marcell_ | GeneralAntilles: the install files can be downloaded if the download.maemo.org is replaced with repository.maemo.org. At least the first one worked for me. |
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| 06:58.57 | Stskeeps | Alystair: you on os2007he now or? |
| 06:58.59 | Pinger | How to set up USB networking with winXP? |
| 06:59.23 | Alystair | yes, 2007he |
| 06:59.23 | Stskeeps | Pinger: the RDNIS part of usb networking is broken in n800/n810 versions sadlty |
| 06:59.46 | Stskeeps | Alystair: if you know how to get into the terminal or ssh in.. could you do me a favour and dpkg -l | grep xserver? |
| 06:59.52 | Pinger | I know that |
| 06:59.53 | Stskeeps | just curious what x server the HE runs |
| 06:59.58 | mgedmin | wants mmpc for diablo :/ |
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| 07:00.47 | Pinger | what do i do to use the network under winXP |
| 07:00.50 | Alystair | ii xserver-xomap 1.1.99.3-0osso37 OMAP X server |
| 07:00.54 | Stskeeps | Alystair: ta |
| 07:01.48 | Stskeeps | regarding rotation i found http://mared.com/xrandr_nokia_770/ |
| 07:01.53 | Stskeeps | but i'm not sure it works on HE |
| 07:02.03 | Pinger | Stskeeps: How can solve this problem? |
| 07:02.23 | Stskeeps | Pinger: the usb networking is broken for windows machines |
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| 07:02.46 | Alystair | Stskeeps: the joke is that I really don't need the launcher/osso/whateverthehell loads initially |
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| 07:03.16 | Alystair | I want this to become a locked down piece of equipment where only one full screen program executes unless you key in a password or reflash it or something |
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| 07:03.25 | Stskeeps | Alystair: yeah - i'm just collecting info so it's easier to put alternative OS'es on the 770 |
| 07:03.27 | jsmanrique | hi! |
| 07:03.32 | Alystair | cool :) |
| 07:03.57 | jsmanrique | anyone using easy 0.7 in Diablo in a N800? |
| 07:04.43 | jsmanrique | camera module in n800 claims IOError because it can't find jpeg decoder, but in N810 I don't get that error... any idea? |
| 07:05.05 | Alystair | Stskeeps: using this dpkg thing I can uninstall any crap I don't think I need on the device? |
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| 07:05.20 | Stskeeps | Alystair: yeah, but you may also break things horridly :P |
| 07:05.46 | Alystair | I'm not afraid of anything breaking at this point |
| 07:05.51 | Alystair | can always reflash |
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| 07:06.35 | Stskeeps | is just waiting for his friend to get his 770 he got on ebay so that person can start hacking on deblet for it |
| 07:06.52 | Alystair | you can get your own for dirt cheap |
| 07:07.07 | Alystair | hell I might sell mine and buy an ipod touch instead :P |
| 07:07.21 | Stskeeps | well, i paid for this friends one as it would be a motivational thing to get it working ;) |
| 07:07.23 | Alystair | then again you can't make a POS on an ipod and expect it to not walk out the door one day. |
| 07:07.40 | Alystair | er POS terminal |
| 07:11.16 | Stskeeps | yeah :P |
| 07:11.23 | Stskeeps | most people wouldn't know how to deal with a 770 |
| 07:11.56 | Alystair | the 770 would hit all the categories needed if I could actually start to develop on the damn thing |
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| 07:12.04 | Alystair | none of the demos work for this Canola stuff |
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| 07:21.01 | Alystair | ok learned some new things that are useless to me via shell, like where background images and sounds are located for default launcher :| |
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| 07:21.43 | liri | is anyone experienced with maemo mapper? this might be more related to google maps url... street maps for my country are only available via the url: maps.google.com/?hl=iw and I was wondering how to get that to work with maemo mapper's url (mt.google.com/mt?....) |
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| 07:24.01 | Alystair | ah now the systemui.xml file is cool :) |
| 07:24.02 | Stskeeps | Alystair: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/lxde.png <- my tablet at some point :> |
| 07:24.20 | Alystair | woah what is this |
| 07:24.25 | Alystair | it looks linuxy |
| 07:24.30 | Stskeeps | debian on the tablets |
| 07:24.31 | aquatix | heh, interesting |
| 07:24.37 | Alystair | lmao are you running multiple screens |
| 07:24.38 | aquatix | looks nice, Stskeeps |
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| 07:25.02 | Stskeeps | Alystair: no, just running debian on it :P |
| 07:25.18 | Alystair | is it actually responsive? |
| 07:25.19 | Stskeeps | (unless you're referring to the virtual desktops) |
| 07:25.22 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 07:25.31 | Stskeeps | i should really do a video sometime.. |
| 07:25.49 | GeneralAntilles | Comcast needs to die in a fire. |
| 07:26.08 | Stskeeps | Alystair: but that's what i'm hoping to bring to 770 :P |
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| 07:27.42 | GeneralAntilles | Apparently I'm not allowed to use http anymore. . . . |
| 07:27.44 | Alystair | except I don't need any of this amazing magic, I just want to run a single app blah blah blah |
| 07:28.03 | Stskeeps | Alystair: it's a matter of just selecting the right environment, barebones X |
| 07:28.11 | Alystair | mhm :) |
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| 07:28.15 | Stskeeps | and them build you app on top |
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| 07:28.28 | rm_you | yay |
| 07:28.33 | Alystair | and learn how to code in something beyond javascript :P |
| 07:28.38 | Alystair | and php. |
| 07:28.43 | Alystair | and neither count :( |
| 07:28.44 | Stskeeps | Alystair: vncviewer exists :P |
| 07:29.05 | rm_you | finally in berlin at casa jott |
| 07:29.13 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you didn't crash into the ocean. |
| 07:29.14 | Alystair | even I think that's a really ugly hack though. |
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| 07:29.28 | Stskeeps | Alystair: well then it's a matter of a gtkmozembed app.. sec |
| 07:29.29 | rm_you | yep! woo |
| 07:29.53 | Alystair | the cool thing about doing it via VNC is if the tablet crashes nothing is lost. |
| 07:29.55 | Stskeeps | Alystair: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PythonRecipes/WebBrowser |
| 07:30.02 | Alystair | just pick up another one and keep going |
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| 07:32.25 | Alystair | you know what's real interesting though? The internal sketch pad from 2007HE is a lot smoother on the 770 than the original sketch tool in 2006. |
| 07:32.45 | Alystair | maybe there's buffering of input |
| 07:35.07 | Stskeeps | mm |
| 07:35.58 | jsmanrique | I get this: "IOError: decoder jpeg not available" |
| 07:36.52 | jsmanrique | but in N810 it works |
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| 07:40.09 | Alystair | Stskeeps: this one is cooler http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/lxde-rotated.png |
| 07:40.09 | Alystair | :P |
| 07:42.50 | Alystair | is "matchbox" the default launcher in 2007HE? |
| 07:43.44 | Alystair | looks like it is |
| 07:44.30 | Stskeeps | it's the usual window manager |
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| 07:46.45 | RST38h | Alystair: btw, there is Google ;) |
| 07:47.12 | Alystair | sorry :( |
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| 07:50.08 | Stskeeps | Alystair: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPP2BGsY4BM ;) |
| 07:51.53 | Alystair | ok google does not answer, what is sapwood? |
| 07:52.35 | Stskeeps | think it's a theme engine thing, not sure |
| 07:52.40 | melmoth | works here (hint: "sapwood maemo") |
| 07:54.05 | Alystair | I'm such a tool :( |
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| 07:57.20 | fluentis | hi@all |
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| 07:57.46 | robink | wants lardman to come back. |
| 07:57.57 | fluentis | does anyoone know how to get access to the f keys on a nokia 810 in dosbox? |
| 07:58.05 | fluentis | f1, f2 etc |
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| 08:00.34 | Stskeeps | http://www.skforlee.com/independent_work/lunch_bag.html <- brilliant! |
| 08:00.37 | RST38h | Alystair: http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&=&q=sapwood+maemo+wiki&btnG=Google+Search |
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| 08:04.46 | Alystair | haha that's great Stskeeps |
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| 08:06.05 | Alystair | his double sided jars are also cool |
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| 08:06.36 | robink | My N810 just lost IPv6 support. |
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| 08:08.07 | robink | Can't load ipv6.ko as modprobe can't parse modules.dep |
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| 08:10.42 | wnd | use insmod |
| 08:11.14 | robink | Just did |
| 08:11.25 | robink | Am I going to have to insmod ipv6.ko every time from now on? |
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| 08:12.28 | wnd | how did you get the module loaded before? |
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| 08:12.43 | wnd | personally I use this, http://wnd.katei.fi/maemo/install/loadipv6.install |
| 08:12.55 | wnd | it loads the module at system start up |
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| 08:13.25 | robink | Maemo used to load it at startup for me anyway. |
| 08:14.41 | robink | How do I regenerate modules.dep? |
| 08:14.43 | wnd | for whatever reason it didn't do that for me, not even though I do have autoconfiguration and native ipv6 |
| 08:14.45 | wnd | shrugs |
| 08:15.09 | robink | When I tried to upgrade the whole thing, it upgraded the kernel modules but not the kernel; could that be the problem? |
| 08:15.15 | wnd | for what it's worth I get the same error from modprobe |
| 08:15.27 | robink | hmm |
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| 08:16.14 | wnd | also on one of our development devices (that I tried) running older releases |
| 08:16.24 | robink | How annoying |
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| 08:18.43 | wnd | my guess is that that's because /lib/modules simply isn't there |
| 08:19.33 | robink | After insmodding ipv6.ko, the whole network stack packs it in. |
| 08:20.06 | wnd | and to answer the actual question, normally modules.dep can be created with depmod |
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| 08:20.52 | wnd | however since the modules are under /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/ I'm not sure if running depmod is such a good idea |
| 08:21.57 | robink | wnd: Oh, I was insmodding the module in /lib/modules/2.6.21-omap2 |
| 08:24.38 | wnd | as I said, I don't even have /lib/modules. all the modules I have are in initfs. |
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| 08:34.17 | jsmanrique | ok, my jpg decoder problem is a PIL problem... |
| 08:34.33 | jsmanrique | why does it works different in N800 and N810, both with Diablo installed? |
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| 08:45.55 | Alystair | hmmm remote desktop client dies |
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| 08:47.19 | Alystair | The program 'rdesktop' received an X Window System error. The error was 'BadAtom (invalid Atom parameter)'. (Details: serial 49 error_code 5 request_code 23 minor_code 0) |
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| 08:53.58 | hrw | morning |
| 08:54.07 | RST38h | ehlo hrw |
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| 08:57.04 | timelyx | Alystair: file a bug against rdesktop |
| 08:57.14 | timelyx | don't forget to install -dbg packages and run w/ --sync |
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| 09:02.34 | Stskeeps | Alystair: there's a better build of rdesktop afaik tthat fixes that problem |
| 09:03.01 | Blafasel | Moin. Stupid question: Although I have a fine confirmation for my summit registration (got it looong ago) I'm not part of the list here: http://maemo.org/news/events/maemo_summit-001/ |
| 09:03.41 | Blafasel | Please tell me that this has nothing to do with my registration at all. |
| 09:04.53 | Blafasel | Actually forget about that and add me to the list of people you know that are unable to write their own name. Thanks for your attention, I'll now return to embarassed lurker-mode again. |
| 09:05.44 | Mek | :) |
| 09:06.31 | aquatix | pats Blafasel and hands him a cup of coffee |
| 09:06.57 | timelyx | makes it an espresso |
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| 09:12.16 | Alystair | Stskeeps: Where do I find it, the one on garage doesn't install on 2007 :| |
| 09:12.21 | Alystair | (0.4) |
| 09:13.50 | Alystair | whoops 5am, bye. |
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| 09:27.16 | Stskeeps | nothing better than when the uni fileserver breaks down and your work machine stalls completely.. |
| 09:27.19 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:30.53 | timelyx | AFS or NFS? |
| 09:31.21 | Stskeeps | well, samba in this case, but nfs would exhibit same results |
| 09:31.22 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 09:33.43 | timelyx | err |
| 09:33.49 | timelyx | upgrade to fuse :) |
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| 09:56.36 | Stskeeps | hm, does newer kernel-diablo kernels work with chinook? (curious question) |
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| 09:58.56 | lbt | Stskeeps: yes |
| 09:59.05 | Stskeeps | brilliant |
| 09:59.21 | lbt | I multiboot chinook/diablo/diablo2/deblet |
| 10:15.06 | Stskeeps | i'm moving deblet closer to being a debian distribution with apt repostories, non-free/contrib/main etc |
| 10:15.19 | Stskeeps | so not so many packages have to be built on tablet |
| 10:15.31 | Stskeeps | http://trac.tspre.org/svn/deblet/trunk/packages/ so far |
| 10:16.28 | ShadowJK | timelyx, still probably hard to do anything useful without files :) |
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| 10:58.56 | jsmanrique | anyone using pymaemo in n800/diablo? |
| 10:59.19 | jsmanrique | why jpeg encoder is failing in n800 but n810 is working? any idea? |
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| 11:00.17 | rm_you | back from shopping. i can charge my n800 on euro plugs now :P |
| 11:00.46 | aquatix | :) |
| 11:00.55 | aquatix | was about the first thing i did when i got my n810 |
| 11:01.12 | aquatix | but that was because the US charger didn't fit in my wall outlets ;) |
| 11:01.40 | rm_you | anyone else in berlin yet? should be some, according to the wiki arrivals page |
| 11:02.01 | aquatix | can't attend :( |
| 11:02.05 | dneary | I've not left yet |
| 11:02.15 | rm_you | :( |
| 11:02.24 | aquatix | i should've asked the boss whether i could make it as business trip ;) |
| 11:05.19 | hrw | I use british charger via eu<>us<>uk adapter |
| 11:05.45 | aquatix | adapters are huge |
| 11:05.58 | hrw | I have very small uk->eu ones too |
| 11:06.10 | aquatix | for me (living in the netherlands) it was a better option to just buy a dutch version ;) |
| 11:06.28 | hrw | I plan to buy nokia e51 so will get eu charger |
| 11:06.51 | aquatix | is thinking about the nokia e71 |
| 11:06.58 | aquatix | really nice device |
| 11:07.02 | hrw | I would rather get e66 but price ;( |
| 11:07.56 | X-Fade | rm_you: I'm in Berlin now :) |
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| 11:10.58 | rm_you | hey ;p kool |
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| 11:11.32 | X-Fade | And the hotel provided me with free wifi, so everything is ok ;) |
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| 11:11.54 | rm_you | is hanging out with jott and about to eat lunch |
| 11:12.07 | RST38h | aquatix: E71 is no replacement for E70 :( |
| 11:12.12 | RST38h | It is shiny though |
| 11:12.17 | X-Fade | waiting for his room to become available. |
| 11:13.06 | GeneralAntilles | That's a new one |
| 11:13.08 | GeneralAntilles | Request for paid tech support |
| 11:13.19 | aquatix | RST38h: hm, e71 has qwerty though |
| 11:13.22 | aquatix | oh wait |
| 11:14.43 | RST38h | aquatix: it does. Have you tried using that qwerty? ;) |
| 11:14.52 | aquatix | not yet |
| 11:15.01 | aquatix | but i love the qwerty on my se m600i |
| 11:15.07 | RST38h | Do try at some store. You will see how it is *not* E70 |
| 11:15.42 | X-Fade | I think I saw the Ars Technica editor walk by just now, not sure though ;) |
| 11:16.00 | aquatix | RST38h: never tried an E70 either :) |
| 11:16.05 | aquatix | X-Fade: ooh :) |
| 11:21.36 | hrw | ok - I have wikipedia loaded in maemo/qemu ;D |
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| 11:28.22 | RST38h | aquatix: E70 is almost like a real keyboard |
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| 11:28.47 | aquatix | RST38h: yeah, it's quite large |
| 11:28.50 | RST38h | X-Fade: Practice catch&release =) |
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| 11:29.57 | rm_you | when do i need to be at osim tomorrow? what time is registration? |
| 11:30.17 | rm_you | fails at finding the wiki page |
| 11:30.45 | X-Fade | rm_you: osimworld.com should be able to tell you? |
| 11:31.09 | rm_you | lol k |
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| 11:33.03 | Khertan_n810 | Hi ! |
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| 11:37.56 | mikkov_ | X-Fade: any progress on this https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3549 ? |
| 11:39.05 | liri | hey Khertan |
| 11:39.11 | Khertan_n810 | hey liri |
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| 11:39.13 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
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| 11:41.52 | X-Fade | mikkov_: Not at the moment. I'm having a battle with openoffice for my OSiM World presentation ;) |
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| 11:49.41 | Khertan_n810 | X-Fade: better than my battle with google document |
| 11:49.42 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 11:50.03 | Khertan_n810 | This things is too bad |
| 11:51.44 | andrewfblack | would be Khertan_n810 best friend if he made a google document sync program |
| 11:53.02 | X-Fade | Well, at least I have my laptop with me and I don't have to do it on the small screen of my tablet. |
| 11:53.28 | Khertan_n810 | andrewfblack: brontide work on it |
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| 12:00.17 | jsmanrique | is there any documentation about py2deb package? |
| 12:01.02 | jsmanrique | I am using pypackager to build .deb but I would like testing py2deb |
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| 12:06.48 | timeless | sighs |
| 12:06.49 | timeless | http://www.google.com/search?q=libncurces-dev&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
| 12:06.52 | timeless | shakes head |
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| 12:07.39 | Fatal | ouch |
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| 12:14.54 | timeless | fatal: Bug 3720 has been added to the database |
| 12:14.59 | timeless | spelling is hard for people in this land |
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| 12:19.47 | lcuk | Khertan_n810, you ready? |
| 12:19.56 | Fatal | oh neat, some thumbnails only work when you're logged in on the site. http://maemo.org/midcom-serveattachmentguid-a18e4aa20d3811ddb592236f6065827d827d/thumbnail_screenshot01.png vs https://maemo.org/midcom-serveattachmentguid-a18e4aa20d3811ddb592236f6065827d827d/thumbnail_screenshot01.png |
| 12:20.31 | timeless | that made me log in... |
| 12:20.36 | Fatal | (stripping the "filename" makes the link work even when not logged on) |
| 12:21.02 | Fatal | i.e http://maemo.org/midcom-serveattachmentguid-a18e4aa20d3811ddb592236f6065827d827d |
| 12:21.19 | Fatal | guess I should dig up whomever to pester about such things |
| 12:21.34 | X-Fade | Fatal: That is because of a problem with memcached. Will be fixed soon. |
| 12:22.32 | Fatal | X-Fade: how long has it been like this? (I kind of recall seemingly random images dropping off the site when going there on my tablet (never thought about it until now though)) |
| 12:23.03 | X-Fade | https isn't cached, so you don't have that problem. |
| 12:23.05 | Fatal | never thought about it as to investigate, the missing images has been like that for atleast a couple of months from my experience |
| 12:23.28 | lcuk | x-fade, any ideas for how to embed a video into a presentation? |
| 12:23.34 | X-Fade | Has been this way for a long time. Memcached has issues at these high loads. |
| 12:23.38 | lcuk | or is it simply not possible |
| 12:23.43 | timeless | high loads? |
| 12:23.48 | Fatal | X-Fade: but is good to know it's being resolved, thanks |
| 12:24.33 | Fatal | X-Fade: I suspect that's the same reason why I randomly don't get to see the "click to install" image? |
| 12:25.12 | X-Fade | Fatal: Yes. |
| 12:25.34 | Fatal | X-Fade: ok good, asking because I couldn't reproduce it at my workstation, thanks |
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| 12:27.01 | X-Fade | Yes, problems like that are pretty random. |
| 12:27.54 | Fatal | X-Fade: timeless question was kind of interesting though, how high loads are we talking about? |
| 12:28.14 | X-Fade | Load > 40? :) |
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| 12:28.29 | timeless | how many cpus? |
| 12:28.33 | aquatix | has seen images not appear on maemo.org for months, also on his pc's |
| 12:28.36 | aquatix | X-Fade: whoa |
| 12:28.39 | X-Fade | 1 quadcore. |
| 12:28.41 | Fatal | >40, o_O INSANE |
| 12:28.47 | timeless | so that's really >10 |
| 12:28.52 | lopz | hola |
| 12:28.52 | Fatal | sorry for caps |
| 12:29.11 | timeless | iirc load is total processes waiting for any cpu per unit time |
| 12:29.17 | aquatix | X-Fade: is it going to be multiple servers? |
| 12:29.19 | Fatal | if we had a system like that at work, I'd be slapping the admin silly and say "you're doing it wrong" :) |
| 12:29.24 | X-Fade | timeless: Well, yes. |
| 12:29.29 | timeless | if you have 4 cpus that means you only really have 10 processes waiting for one cpu |
| 12:29.42 | Fatal | I guess the server handles a whole more than "just" the website? |
| 12:29.50 | timeless | hopes not |
| 12:30.04 | timeless | w/ a load of 40, esp if that's a typical load, then it should be dedicated |
| 12:30.07 | X-Fade | aquatix: Yep, loadblanced. |
| 12:30.30 | aquatix | timeless: iirc, it doesn't only do a single website |
| 12:31.51 | timeless | wonders who uses automake1.5, automake1.6, automaken |
| 12:35.12 | GAN800 | isn't sure he wants to try his luck with the Comcast connection again. |
| 12:37.05 | timeless | heh |
| 12:37.11 | timeless | i'm trying my luck w/ apt |
| 12:37.13 | timeless | it's not fun |
| 12:37.35 | timeless | feature: apt-get doesn't flush its output which means that it may or may not spit all lines to stdout before it's reaped |
| 12:37.44 | timeless | this makes processing it from anything hard/impossible |
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| 12:49.20 | timeless | hrm |
| 12:49.37 | timeless | can someone please load about:plugins on their n8x0 and tell me what version of flash is listed? |
| 12:49.44 | timeless | i want to know if nokia ever fixed that |
| 12:49.47 | timeless | is assuming it wasn't |
| 12:50.48 | TPC | sure |
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| 12:52.15 | TPC | it says Shockwave Flash 9.0 r31 |
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| 13:48.46 | timeless | wonders how frequently andre___ imports bugs into nokia's db |
| 13:49.42 | GeneralAntilles | Usually at least once every couple days. |
| 13:49.50 | andre___ | yeah. |
| 13:50.05 | andre___ | like... now. :-P |
| 13:50.10 | GeneralAntilles | s/once/one batch/ |
| 13:50.20 | GeneralAntilles | Too often. . . . |
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| 13:55.51 | GeneralAntilles | is actually somewhat impressed by iTunes 8. |
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| 14:16.35 | fluentis | hi@all |
| 14:16.56 | fluentis | a question about canola2 - is it correct to ask in this chan? |
| 14:17.16 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:17.21 | fluentis | cool |
| 14:17.23 | GeneralAntilles | but you may get an answer here. |
| 14:17.24 | fluentis | thanx |
| 14:17.27 | fluentis | ok |
| 14:20.41 | fluentis | so - it's just about the albom cover art sorting option... when i'm trying to go into album sort i have an album for every song of this album... sorry, it's realy difficult to explain... so imagine - album "jogga" and there are 5 tracks in it - in winamp i have just : album "joga" and in it 5 tracks, in canola i have 5 times the album "jogga" - once for every track... :( |
| 14:21.09 | fluentis | i think it's a way canola interpretes id tags - but dunno know how to solve it... what should i change? |
| 14:23.27 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody needs to hit tz with a stick |
| 14:23.34 | GeneralAntilles | His bug reports are the next best thing to useless. |
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| 14:24.23 | jsmanrique | hi! |
| 14:26.04 | fluentis | hm... nobody a hint? |
| 14:26.26 | liri | would an imap mail account result in downloading ALL headers of the messages I have? |
| 14:26.45 | keesj | fluentis: there is one optionin the settings to remove duplicates |
| 14:26.47 | keesj | sadfasdfalsdf |
| 14:27.12 | fluentis | nope it's not duplicates |
| 14:27.27 | keesj | but to put them in one "group" |
| 14:27.58 | jsmanrique | could somebody help me with my Python/PIL problem? |
| 14:28.27 | lmoura | jsmanrique, I was going to take a look at it right now |
| 14:28.49 | jsmanrique | lmoura: ok, thanks |
| 14:29.12 | keesj | it's under settings media library -> Multiple album entries |
| 14:29.16 | lmoura | so, the jpeg codec fails in n810, although using the same version? |
| 14:29.42 | jsmanrique | lmoura: jpeg codec fails in N800, but works in N810 |
| 14:29.48 | jsmanrique | lmoura: both have same OS |
| 14:29.51 | lmoura | oh, right |
| 14:30.04 | fluentis | keesj: i'll try it now... thank you |
| 14:30.06 | jsmanrique | lmoura: and both seem having same Python (2.5.2) |
| 14:30.38 | lmoura | ok |
| 14:30.50 | jsmanrique | lmoura: both have libjpeg 62 |
| 14:30.55 | fluentis | another question is about dosbox for maemo.... hmm... how to get acces to special funkttion keys with n810 hardware keyboard? f1, f2 etc? |
| 14:32.11 | lmoura | jsmanrique, is that Image module the PIL one or you wrote it? |
| 14:33.58 | jsmanrique | lmoura: it is the PIL one... I don't have that programming level to create my own one :-D |
| 14:34.24 | lmoura | jsmanrique, easy package? I'm talking to their developers now |
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| 14:35.12 | jsmanrique | lmoura: both machines are using easy 0.7, but the error seems to come from PIL from PyMaemo.. I think |
| 14:35.17 | melmoth | jsmanrique: what about comparing the package list installed on both machines ? |
| 14:35.29 | jsmanrique | melmoth: done |
| 14:35.45 | jsmanrique | melmoth: but it is not a trivial task |
| 14:36.13 | melmoth | of course it is... dpkg -l , a bit of python or sed/awk to read both list and compare |
| 14:36.39 | jsmanrique | melmoth: yes, more or less |
| 14:37.00 | melmoth | actually, its the same os installed ? dpkg -i > list.txt , then sort them, then diff them |
| 14:37.28 | jsmanrique | melmoth: ok, maybe I could try |
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| 14:40.29 | lmoura | jsmanrique, melmoth it is looking like more a missing dependency while building the package |
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| 14:41.19 | melmoth | lmoura: same os, so i would expect same packages content and dependencies definitions |
| 14:42.06 | jsmanrique | melmoth: it seems that python2.5-imaging is the same in both devices (1.1.6-1osso2) |
| 14:43.35 | jsmanrique | it seems that python2.5-runtime is different |
| 14:44.04 | jsmanrique | c1.0-3 in n810 and 1.0-8 in n800 |
| 14:44.24 | lmoura | jsmanrique, python runtime is just a meta package for the python* packages |
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| 14:45.58 | jsmanrique | python-hildon is also different |
| 14:46.25 | jsmanrique | 0.8.8-1oso8 en n810, and 0.8.9-1osso2 in n800 |
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| 14:47.57 | lmoura | jsmanrique, I'm going out for lunch now and when I'm back I'll continue, ok? |
| 14:48.07 | jsmanrique | ok |
| 14:48.27 | jsmanrique | maybe I'll send the python installed packages list to maemo and pymaemo developers list.. |
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| 14:50.37 | guenther | points at the /topic |
| 14:50.48 | guenther | Are the results still provisional? |
| 14:51.19 | guenther | Didn't the 5 day time-frame pass already? |
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| 14:55.05 | melmoth | jsmanrique: why wouldnt you start by updating the machine to the latest version of pcakage available ? |
| 14:55.18 | melmoth | you know. bug gest fixed (sometimes) |
| 14:57.40 | jsmanrique | melmoth: nice idea, but... everything in n800 was installed from zero yesterday |
| 14:58.41 | melmoth | if i were you , i would try it anyway |
| 14:59.02 | melmoth | once i would have the same settings everywhere, then, comparing strace |
| 14:59.29 | jsmanrique | melmoth: but, package manager says that there isn't any update available... |
| 15:00.06 | melmoth | how is this possible : if you use the same repo, then you should have the same version of software installed on both system if both are up to date |
| 15:00.30 | fluentis | somebody use dosbox on a n810? |
| 15:00.38 | jsmanrique | melmoth: that is one of my questions |
| 15:01.07 | jsmanrique | melmoth: n810 has more repos, but n800 is using latest updates... so, is the bug new? |
| 15:01.21 | melmoth | may be |
| 15:01.31 | jsmanrique | melmoth: and this is turning me mad |
| 15:02.47 | melmoth | make both system up to date at the same patchlevel. double check it is still wokring ok on the one where you did not have the problem (just in case it s a new bug) |
| 15:03.02 | melmoth | if it s a new bug: report it on bugzilla.maemo.org with a test case |
| 15:03.31 | melmoth | if not, compare strace output on both system, and try to see why it says there is no such file |
| 15:03.39 | melmoth | may be permission, who knows ? |
| 15:07.45 | jsmanrique | melmoth: now, both devices have same repositories configured... |
| 15:08.09 | jsmanrique | melmoth: both are updating packages list.. let's see if they ask for updates.. |
| 15:08.51 | GeneralAntilles | guenther, suppose not, dneary needs to declare, though. |
| 15:09.06 | jsmanrique | melmoth: nice, 10 updates for n810 |
| 15:10.20 | jsmanrique | melmoth: but, none python related :-/ |
| 15:11.17 | guenther | GeneralAntilles: Ah, I see. |
| 15:12.11 | GeneralAntilles | guenther, by the way, thanks for the help on the IRC bot. |
| 15:13.30 | guenther | sure, no problem |
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| 15:14.23 | GeneralAntilles | Howdy, lardman. |
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| 15:24.09 | jsmanrique | python packages list sent to pymaemo mailing list |
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| 15:49.11 | |fluentis| | does anybody know in which chan i could ask a question about dosbox in maemo? |
| 15:49.45 | ||cw | I guess you could ask here... maybe some one uses it |
| 15:50.42 | |fluentis| | so - i need a hint, how to access the funktion key (F1, F2, F3 etc.) on a hardwarekeyboard of a N810 |
| 15:51.00 | |fluentis| | in dosbox |
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| 16:02.22 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: i spent a lot of time trying to report a bug to apple about itunes8 |
| 16:02.59 | timelyx | it insisted on server the mandatory terms and conditions in Finnish to myself (an English speaker) and my russian colleague |
| 16:03.25 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: who's tz? |
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| 16:06.46 | lardman | Hi GeneralAntilles, sorry for the delay |
| 16:07.44 | GeneralAntilles | timelyx, https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&emailreporter1=1&emailtype1=substring&email1=thomas%40mich.com |
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| 16:07.52 | GeneralAntilles | In particular, this bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3560 |
| 16:08.49 | jsmanrique | I have to leave... |
| 16:08.55 | jsmanrique | see you tomorro |
| 16:09.09 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: Can you access the google docs presentation? Doesn't seem to like me |
| 16:10.01 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, http://docs.google.com/Presentation?docid=dfrtdqv5_79g7r73ggv&hl=en |
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| 16:11.26 | lardman | Bring on faster hw, this is painfully slow - modest + email draft + web x2 + pidgin for irc |
| 16:12.04 | qwerty12 | pidgin sucks for irc, xchat ftw |
| 16:13.23 | lardman | Let me check |
| 16:13.53 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 16:13.54 | qwerty12 | If you want real lightness, irssi :P |
| 16:13.55 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, XChat for serious. |
| 16:13.58 | GeneralAntilles | It's in Extras-devel. |
| 16:15.14 | lardman | Ok, just installed |
| 16:15.17 | qwerty12 | sighs and tries to fix a simple string replace util that keeps segfaulting |
| 16:15.19 | lardman | Bbiam |
| 16:15.24 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, despite the slowness, it's damn cool that it can manage it at all. :D |
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| 16:17.50 | derf | qwerty12: sed? |
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| 16:18.47 | qwerty12 | derf: yeah, I guess that's an option. I wonder why the author of this code chose to make his own utility. |
| 16:19.42 | derf | Why are there 5,000 text editors? |
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| 16:19.58 | Stskeeps | because a great number of text editors make one microsoft word? |
| 16:19.59 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 16:20.25 | lardman | better, device crashed |
| 16:20.30 | derf | Even I wrote a text editor. For DOS. In PASCAL. |
| 16:20.47 | derf | Fortunately, I wisely threw that code away rather than let anyone see it. |
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| 16:21.10 | yacoob | it's now sleeping, waiting for the moment when the Stars Are Right. |
| 16:22.07 | ||cw | the text editors I use do things word doens't |
| 16:22.13 | MangoFusion | derf: because 99% of text editors suck. nobody can get it right ;) |
| 16:22.22 | ||cw | and word does things my text editors don't. they are for different tasks |
| 16:22.33 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: only seems to be one page? |
| 16:22.39 | ||cw | scite does things pretty damned right |
| 16:22.51 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, it just needs your bio entries |
| 16:22.56 | GeneralAntilles | If you want to paste them to me I can enter them |
| 16:23.05 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:23.16 | MangoFusion | does it order cups of tea for you during a long code jamming session? i think not |
| 16:23.26 | MangoFusion | so not right ;) |
| 16:23.30 | derf | emacs will. |
| 16:23.37 | ||cw | I'm sure one could make a plug-in to do that |
| 16:23.59 | ||cw | emas is an OS, not an editor :P |
| 16:24.06 | derf | C-x M-c M-cupoftea |
| 16:24.14 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: i'll have a look and send them in an email |
| 16:24.15 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: is soft poweroff similar to s2ram btw? |
| 16:24.51 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: I would say not. s2ram suspends the cpu and softpoweroff keeps the tablet alive while it is in that state |
| 16:25.17 | Stskeeps | true |
| 16:25.30 | derf | There was an actual s2ram script floating around a while back. |
| 16:25.42 | Stskeeps | there's a binary without source still (n800-s2ram) |
| 16:25.48 | qwerty12 | http://ftp.iasi.roedu.net/mirrors/openwrt.org/people/mbm/n800/suspend.sh |
| 16:25.48 | Stskeeps | and i just wonder how it works |
| 16:25.54 | qwerty12 | ^^ the script |
| 16:26.03 | Stskeeps | oh that's interesting |
| 16:26.07 | derf | It can just use the normal Linux software suspend interface. |
| 16:26.17 | derf | The only problem is it has to frob the watchdog. |
| 16:26.25 | derf | So it can only suspend for 60s at a time. |
| 16:26.37 | Stskeeps | yeah, but that prolly helps power consumption |
| 16:26.47 | derf | Better than nothing, anyway. |
| 16:26.56 | timelyx | nice |
| 16:27.24 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: you should at least mention how to get the log form application manager |
| 16:29.08 | Stskeeps | derf: fanoush spoke something about 30 days on s2ram |
| 16:29.39 | derf | I'd believe it. |
| 16:30.07 | derf | Does that binary integrate itself nicely into the soft poweroff menu? |
| 16:30.59 | qwerty12 | No, it runs as a service |
| 16:31.16 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, soft poweroff is no different from locking. |
| 16:31.32 | derf | Maybe I will write one that does. |
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| 16:31.56 | jsmanrique | I am back (at home now) |
| 16:33.02 | rm_you | so, anyone ELSE in berlin yet? ;p |
| 16:33.24 | Mek | isn't arriving until friday during lunch :P |
| 16:33.48 | johnx_ | rm_you, how was the flight? :D |
| 16:34.08 | rm_you | according to the travel wiki, we should have a few by now. just the problem of them finding wireless and loading up irc :P |
| 16:34.23 | rm_you | johnx_: not actually that bad |
| 16:34.33 | timelyx | rm_you: i'm flying tomorrow morning |
| 16:34.38 | timelyx | no idea about flight path or anything |
| 16:34.39 | rm_you | barely made my connection |
| 16:34.44 | timelyx | anyone know anything about the conferencing? |
| 16:34.50 | timelyx | i'm scheduled to do a presentation |
| 16:34.55 | timelyx | but no one explained what i'd have |
| 16:35.00 | timelyx | like a projector... |
| 16:35.04 | timelyx | or support for slides |
| 16:35.07 | timelyx | or a whiteboard |
| 16:35.14 | timelyx | or a microphone.. |
| 16:35.21 | johnx_ | rm_you, skeery. I've had to run for those before...always exciting, rarely fun |
| 16:35.23 | rm_you | had to sprint to make it, landed at 530 and departure was 550. surprised my bg made the transfer |
| 16:35.43 | GeneralAntilles | timelyx, there may be details on the wiki. |
| 16:35.47 | timelyx | wow |
| 16:35.50 | GeneralAntilles | Supposedly there should be stuff there. |
| 16:35.56 | rm_you | s/bg/bag/ |
| 16:35.57 | GeneralAntilles | I've yet to see a straight answer, though. |
| 16:36.13 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: how about wifi? :) |
| 16:36.33 | timelyx | yes, i can be greedy sometimes ;-) |
| 16:37.03 | GeneralAntilles | Wifi should be plentiful |
| 16:37.15 | rm_you | johnx_: unlike japan, i was able to buy a prepaid sim card and phone for 20€ |
| 16:37.20 | GeneralAntilles | The c-base guys are setting up a server to handle videos, pictures and such |
| 16:37.21 | timelyx | the last conference i was at, the wifi was slower than my cell |
| 16:37.26 | GeneralAntilles | So there's got to be a way to access it. |
| 16:37.36 | GeneralAntilles | ___t is with c-base, I believe. |
| 16:37.38 | rm_you | yeh but this is osim, not cbase |
| 16:37.40 | GeneralAntilles | So if you see him here, you can ask. |
| 16:37.56 | timelyx | btw, since i should arrive tomorrow |
| 16:37.57 | GeneralAntilles | The presentations for you guys will be at c-base, though, no? |
| 16:38.01 | timelyx | can i go to osim? if so, how? |
| 16:38.11 | timelyx | i'm only scheduled to present at maemo summit on friday @4 |
| 16:38.25 | timelyx | i'm not scheduled to go to osim |
| 16:38.29 | timelyx | isn't sure what an osim is |
| 16:38.37 | GeneralAntilles | OSIM is where Ari is giving his talk. |
| 16:38.41 | rm_you | ah yeh prolly the one he's talking about... but i have to demo stuff at the booth tomorro |
| 16:38.45 | johnx_ | rm_you, the situation is better here if you take a 3G GSM phone from Europe. There should be a way to roam on docomo...but I digress... |
| 16:39.12 | GeneralAntilles | timelyx, most of the community guys being sponsored are registered for OSiM |
| 16:39.17 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno about the corporate folks. |
| 16:39.22 | rm_you | i thought the system there wasnt even supported by quadband >_> |
| 16:39.25 | GeneralAntilles | That'd be an internal question'd be my bet. |
| 16:39.49 | timelyx | what's it cost to attend? |
| 16:39.58 | rm_you | 3000€ |
| 16:40.03 | rm_you | ish |
| 16:40.24 | johnx_ | rm_you, it's ... uhm ... complicated |
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| 16:40.59 | rm_you | you can come to the free dev session... tho i have a feeling nokia should have already paid for you... |
| 16:42.06 | rm_you | or... dunno wtf your situation is |
| 16:42.11 | timelyx | i didn't ask to go to osim |
| 16:42.22 | rm_you | jott is filling me in |
| 16:42.31 | GeneralAntilles | Probably the only interesting thing is Ari's talk. |
| 16:42.47 | lardman | isn't going to osim either - at another conf |
| 16:42.50 | lardman | bbl |
| 16:43.26 | GeneralAntilles | JamieBennett may very well be taping Ari's talk, so it may not matter that much. |
| 16:48.09 | timelyx | ok, alternatively, is there some place to do work @osim |
| 16:48.17 | timelyx | like could i go, get free wifi and power and just code for maemo |
| 16:48.20 | timelyx | also, will bpeople be around for pre sumats? |
| 16:48.30 | timelyx | s/sumats/summit chats/ |
| 16:52.04 | rm_you | i'll be at osim but i imagine people will want to gather at the end of the day for aemo discussion, etc |
| 16:52.28 | rm_you | *maemo |
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| 16:53.33 | jsmanrique | lmoura: could you test something? |
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| 16:54.47 | lmoura | jsmanrique, I managed to reproduce it here |
| 16:55.52 | jsmanrique | lmoura: that sounds interesting |
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| 16:59.01 | brontide | is waiting around for my flight |
| 16:59.40 | GeneralAntilles | The tablets are the perfect airport companions. |
| 16:59.58 | brontide | Glad I setup my BT/3g link last week |
| 17:00.18 | brontide | right now I'm on my laptop listening to german phrases |
| 17:00.22 | GeneralAntilles | Here's some really lame spam: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=224344#post224344 |
| 17:01.01 | brontide | Bah, now they are going after existing threads? Spammers need to get a life |
| 17:01.26 | GeneralAntilles | They've been using that approach for a couple weeks now. |
| 17:02.02 | brontide | First I've seen it, but iTT has been low on my list as of lately due to life |
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| 17:02.21 | GeneralAntilles | Just as well, it's more of a waste of time than usual. |
| 17:02.23 | Andy80 | hi all |
| 17:02.39 | Andy80 | is someone of you already at maemo summit? |
| 17:02.39 | brontide | Hi Andy |
| 17:02.52 | brontide | is about 12 hours away |
| 17:03.32 | Andy80 | brontide: you'll be there in 12 hours? |
| 17:03.43 | brontide | give or take |
| 17:04.25 | Andy80 | cool :) I'll be there on 18, late in the evening |
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| 17:06.22 | lcuk | are people having an informal meeting anywhere before friday? |
| 17:06.31 | lcuk | ie outside c-base or something |
| 17:06.39 | lcuk | or in a hotel or somethin |
| 17:07.26 | brontide | I'm sure something ad-hoc will appear thursday after OSiM |
| 17:08.17 | rm_you | well, all the sponsored people that are attending osim will probably meet tomorrow for the keynote |
| 17:08.42 | lcuk | rm_you, are you in germany already |
| 17:09.03 | jott | can poke rm_you for real |
| 17:09.12 | Blafasel | Do it! |
| 17:09.17 | lcuk | and rm_you can stroke your pussy for real |
| 17:09.39 | jott | does not share lcuks fantasies |
| 17:09.42 | rm_you | i'm currently hanging out with jott, so... if anyone is in the area, we've just been hacking all afternoon |
| 17:09.57 | rm_you | he does have TWO cute pussies |
| 17:10.02 | RST38h | back |
| 17:10.09 | RST38h | lcuk/rm_you/jott moo |
| 17:10.13 | jott | hey! |
| 17:10.18 | lcuk | rm_you, ive seen his cats, but he didnt show me the pussy movies |
| 17:10.33 | lcuk | you must be very special :D |
| 17:11.14 | rm_you | lol |
| 17:11.15 | lcuk | RST38h, are you comin to berlin this week? |
| 17:11.38 | jott | hmm, is it time for a cold beer yet? :) |
| 17:11.39 | lcuk | how was the flight rm_you |
| 17:11.47 | Stskeeps | nnnn |
| 17:11.47 | lcuk | its ALWAYS time for a cold beer |
| 17:11.48 | brontide | needs a shower |
| 17:11.53 | lcuk | unless its time for a warm beer |
| 17:12.00 | RST38h | lcuk: Nope |
| 17:12.00 | lcuk | which case you would know its not time for a cold beer |
| 17:12.05 | RST38h | lcuk: Work. |
| 17:12.12 | lcuk | is goin aq bit mad with stress |
| 17:12.20 | jott | RST38h: lcuk motto is "never code sober" |
| 17:12.25 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:12.31 | jott | he always tries to hit the ballmer peak |
| 17:12.34 | rm_you | not bad. sat next to an old german guy named hans who knew a little bit of english so we took turns trying to speak each other's language |
| 17:12.36 | GeneralAntilles | Isn't Intel sponsoring OSiM? |
| 17:12.45 | lcuk | jott, i have only ever coded once whilst drunk and i cocked that up so i wont try again |
| 17:13.12 | rm_you | and we did some of the exercises from my intro german textbook. he just had to do them backwards ;p |
| 17:13.17 | jott | ew, another legend dies :~( |
| 17:13.20 | lcuk | lol rm_you if you arent careful you could setoff an international incident |
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| 17:13.25 | lcuk | can imagine the news |
| 17:13.30 | RST38h | General: I am a corporate slave at the moment. |
| 17:13.46 | rm_you | heh |
| 17:13.49 | johnx_ | RST38h, I know the feeling :/ |
| 17:14.02 | RST38h | jott: Yea, just today we discussed elaborate torture plans for a few people with the same motto =) |
| 17:14.20 | lcuk | "Today an IRC hacker named rm punched a german passenger whilst onboard a jet at 37000feet, he said 'my mother is not the local whore'. " |
| 17:14.26 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, just think about how much money you're making the stockholders. ;) |
| 17:14.40 | RST38h | General: Stock is down to $19+ - so not much |
| 17:14.54 | lcuk | stock around the world is becoming like toilet paper |
| 17:14.58 | RST38h | General: One the other hand, given yesterday financial clusterfuck... |
| 17:15.21 | GeneralAntilles | The world is coming down. |
| 17:15.25 | lcuk | wonders if he will get home after trip |
| 17:15.46 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, its not entirely collapsing, but theres a big shift happening |
| 17:15.53 | RST38h | lcuk: well, the oil is down too, so you have got pretty good chances the airline will still have fuel |
| 17:15.59 | rm_you | yeah. some major us financial company declared chapter 11 bankruptcy? i was hearing about it in the airport |
| 17:16.28 | johnx_ | thought he might be safe from the US's financial "issues" here...turns out he was wrong |
| 17:16.31 | RST38h | rm_you: Rather, they are lining up for bankruptcy proceedings |
| 17:16.42 | lcuk | rm_you, over in the uk, 2 large travel firms went bump, leaving thousands of people stuck abroad in hot countries without any spare suncream |
| 17:16.43 | RST38h | johnx: Nobody is safe realy |
| 17:16.56 | johnx_ | rm_you, world stock markets are going non-linear |
| 17:17.05 | GeneralAntilles | Well, economic downturns ARE good for the environment. :P |
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| 17:17.20 | lcuk | johnx_, they have never been linear |
| 17:17.38 | johnx_ | GeneralAntilles, "no more humans" would also be good for the environment... |
| 17:17.51 | rm_you | doesn't even know what that means |
| 17:17.57 | RST38h | johnx: That is what I have been advocating all the way |
| 17:18.02 | RST38h | johnx: KILL ALL HUMANS |
| 17:18.02 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 17:18.42 | brontide | Gah... CNN is advocating.. "Don't pull your money out now, we're just hitting bottom" |
| 17:18.46 | lcuk | rm_you, the stockmarket is just one example of a chaotic system which can occasionally go through localised stability periods followed by a bifurcation which can trigger a lot of randomness |
| 17:18.57 | brontide | please someone gouge my eyes out |
| 17:19.04 | johnx_ | actually, I'd like to put some money in now... |
| 17:19.15 | lcuk | brontide, any preference to which tool i use |
| 17:19.33 | brontide | spoon |
| 17:19.37 | rm_you | yeah. well. i hope i can make it through college :P |
| 17:19.42 | johnx_ | all I have is sporks... |
| 17:19.43 | lcuk | johnx_, not all of it though :) just enough to see if you catch it right |
| 17:19.54 | brontide | hates airports |
| 17:20.00 | lcuk | where you comin from? |
| 17:20.09 | johnx_ | lcuk, just enough to wish I had put more in if it works and less in if it fails? |
| 17:20.10 | lcuk | ive got 2 flights there and 2 back |
| 17:20.20 | lcuk | johnx_, yeah |
| 17:20.37 | brontide | Albany International Airport... hah, flights to canada shouldn't count eh |
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| 17:20.55 | RST38h | brontide: "Now is the best time to buy in!" (C)RBC.RU |
| 17:20.58 | lcuk | ahhh didnt know you were so far |
| 17:21.18 | RST38h | Have been telling it for a few days now. Today's stats: MMVB -17+%, RTS -11+% |
| 17:21.40 | brontide | Here to JFK->Tegel |
| 17:21.58 | lcuk | nokias pocket i assume? |
| 17:22.23 | brontide | Should be there in time to catch the keynote tomorrow... of course. I'm a lousy state worker, I have time, but no money ;-) |
| 17:23.08 | lcuk | heh |
| 17:24.32 | brontide | Ugh... it's a real puddle jumper for the first flight |
| 17:24.50 | RST38h | comair? |
| 17:24.59 | brontide | Delta |
| 17:25.14 | RST38h | delta's puddle jumpers are usually served by comair out of jfk |
| 17:25.15 | brontide | Delta connect.... some partner-ish |
| 17:25.21 | RST38h | It is Comair. |
| 17:25.28 | brontide | Freedom air |
| 17:25.30 | RST38h | 60% on time arrivals |
| 17:25.45 | RST38h | Freedom Air is something new, dunno them |
| 17:26.07 | brontide | Probably the same thing, new management |
| 17:26.59 | RST38h | Delta: 76% |
| 17:28.24 | brontide | bah, as long as I get off the ground in jfk by 7pm EST I'll be fine |
| 17:28.37 | brontide | Thanks for cheering me up |
| 17:28.40 | brontide | :-P |
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| 17:30.25 | brontide | anyways... gotta go and save my phone battery... chat more later |
| 17:45.50 | jsmanrique | adding personal maemo-summit travel info to the wiki |
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| 17:56.56 | jsmanrique | will we see freemantle and a new device in Ari's keynote tomorrow? what do you think? |
| 17:59.00 | RST38h | General: Check http://fms.komkon.org/MaemoMain.html again |
| 17:59.14 | RST38h | I have started putting together the documentation page |
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| 18:02.17 | Stskeeps | wb qwerty12_N800 |
| 18:02.22 | hozano | jsmanrique, did you solve the problem of the camera decoder ? |
| 18:02.30 | qwerty12_N800 | hi Stskeeps |
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| 18:16.00 | dystopia | how can US economy be bad an now 1 EUR is worth 1,38 USD previously it has been 1,55.. |
| 18:16.59 | nemo | world economies are complex and intertangled |
| 18:17.17 | nemo | dystopia: and the US has been living on rest of world's charge card for a long time |
| 18:17.24 | callahad | dystopia: The exchange rate is like that because everyone's currency is falling, albeit at different rates. |
| 18:17.38 | nemo | dystopia: anyway, the midpoint is 1.41451 according to xe.com |
| 18:17.50 | nemo | which is a bit off the high, but not that much |
| 18:18.27 | nemo | gold has taken more of a hit, fascinatingly. $776 USD |
| 18:18.49 | nemo | over 20% off high |
| 18:18.57 | dystopia | yet people are selling their gold... |
| 18:19.41 | dystopia | maybe americans still believe in their currency, i see the Eu stock markets often reacting to the US stock markets |
| 18:19.51 | nemo | oil is down to $90-ish |
| 18:19.55 | dystopia | or at least, that is what the radio is tellin' |
| 18:20.04 | dystopia | yeah that too, oil price lowers too.. |
| 18:20.09 | dystopia | just doesn't get economics |
| 18:20.10 | nemo | dystopia: the actual productive capacity of the US economy is still high |
| 18:20.15 | nemo | dystopia: they've just run up a lot of debt |
| 18:20.26 | nemo | dystopia: oil is priced in dollars. also, saudis are bucking opec |
| 18:20.51 | nemo | dystopia: economics is fascinating. tangled ecology |
| 18:20.54 | RST38h | nemo: gold is overvalued, it had years of rising up |
| 18:20.55 | dystopia | oil in dollars, dollar is worth less..? |
| 18:20.57 | nemo | can't just harm one thing without harming everything |
| 18:21.06 | RST38h | still, gold is gonna go up ;) |
| 18:21.13 | nemo | RST38h: well, in inflation adjusted dollars, is not that high. |
| 18:21.26 | RST38h | nemo: more than dollars themselves though =) |
| 18:21.43 | dystopia | i heard asia is bailing out of USD favoring EUR |
| 18:21.58 | nemo | RST38h: dollar itself isn't properly inflation adjusted yet |
| 18:22.06 | nemo | RST38h: the disparity may be closed from either end |
| 18:22.13 | RST38h | true |
| 18:22.18 | nemo | dystopia: currency holdings are being diversified. |
| 18:22.25 | nemo | I doubt they'll switch exclusively to Euro |
| 18:22.28 | lmoura | jsmanrique, I tried recompiling the package and it worked in N800. I'll upload it and soon will be fixed |
| 18:22.33 | nemo | european union would just take advantage of it like US did |
| 18:22.56 | dystopia | if i were asia i'd use both |
| 18:23.20 | nemo | if I was in asia I'd use as many stable assets as I could find |
| 18:23.28 | nemo | trouble is, these days, stable assets are hard to find |
| 18:23.54 | nemo | dystopia: http://x.m8y.org/1k |
| 18:23.55 | dystopia | because economy is a lot of hot air ;-) |
| 18:23.58 | dystopia | thanks |
| 18:24.08 | GeneralAntilles | There can't possibly be enough of a market in netbooks to justify the explosion of available modules on the market. . . . |
| 18:24.11 | nemo | dystopia: clever dude. he predicted our next bubble well in advance |
| 18:24.16 | nemo | I made use of his prediction already |
| 18:24.35 | nemo | dystopia: just last week I heard Marketplace discussing it, so he definitely beat the curve |
| 18:25.40 | dystopia | interesting |
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| 18:26.50 | dystopia | on elementary school i was taught depressions happen approx every 7 years |
| 18:27.47 | dystopia | with reference to the egyptian story about the cows and agriculture, with 7 years good, 7 years bad.. but i'm not sure such should be taken seriously as it refers to the bible |
| 18:27.54 | RST38h | registered to vote |
| 18:28.14 | RST38h | This is how low I have fallen... |
| 18:29.05 | dystopia | is there a relationship between these depressions in the 20th/21st century and the FRS? |
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| 18:31.14 | RST38h | dystopia: with respect to US economy, the rule of thumb was 5 years up, 1 down |
| 18:31.41 | RST38h | but, of course, every rule of thumb changes once your thumb gets broken... |
| 18:31.44 | dystopia | newly elected President Richard Nixon faced a run on the U.S. gold supply, and his solution was novel: unilaterally end the U.S. legal obligation to redeem dollars with gold; in other words, default. <- death of the gold standard |
| 18:31.54 | dystopia | RST38h: hehe:-) |
| 18:34.15 | dystopia | It?s the old rule about bank debt, applied to international deficit finance: if you owe the banks $3 billion, the bank owns you. But if you owe the banks $10 trillion, you own the banks. <- :0) what a rule! |
| 18:34.46 | dystopia | so that is why the US government purchased a bank recently? |
| 18:38.09 | liri | is the iNES Maemo able to read .zip files or should I extract? |
| 18:38.19 | RST38h | use .gz instead |
| 18:38.23 | RST38h | I do not read .zips |
| 18:39.17 | liri | but you do read .nes right? |
| 18:39.42 | liri | well no point in unzipping and then gz'in so I'll just extract the zips and leave it as .nes |
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| 18:42.26 | RST38h | liri: gzipping them only takes one command (gzip *.nes) and saves space |
| 18:44.07 | hrw|gone | http://blog.haerwu.biz/tmp/maemo-qemu-bt.jpg ;) |
| 18:44.08 | dystopia | nemo: war is good for the economy, correct? |
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| 18:44.30 | RST38h | hrw: fake? =) |
| 18:44.34 | hrw|gone | RST38h: real |
| 18:44.40 | hrw|gone | RST38h: but not public yet |
| 18:44.43 | RST38h | hrw: wow. |
| 18:44.46 | Stskeeps | hrw|gone: wrote a bluetooth device? :P |
| 18:45.02 | hrw|gone | RST38h: use host BT to communicate |
| 18:45.11 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 18:46.38 | hrw|gone | ~curse person which decide that maemo GtkListView ignore keyboard |
| 18:46.38 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, person which decide that maemo GtkListView ignore keyboard ! |
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| 18:51.49 | RST38h | hrw: incredible stuff |
| 18:51.55 | RST38h | can it use wifi too? =) |
| 18:52.01 | Khertan_WebChat | Hi ! |
| 18:52.15 | Khertan_WebChat | I ve a question about my flight in a plane |
| 18:52.16 | hrw|gone | RST38h: if you have NDA free documentation for wifi in n8x0... |
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| 18:52.29 | Khertan_WebChat | to gain time ... i ll come only with a small baggage |
| 18:52.31 | RST38h | mhm |
| 18:52.38 | Khertan_WebChat | keep it with me |
| 18:52.43 | Khertan_WebChat | during the flight |
| 18:52.54 | Khertan_WebChat | do you think that a belt could be a problem ? |
| 18:53.12 | hrw|gone | belt for crossbow? |
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| 18:54.03 | Stskeeps | Khertan_WebChat: could always wear the belt and i doubt they'd protest |
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| 18:59.43 | lcuk | Khertan_WebChat, they understand people wear belt, your main luggage goes in the cargo hold, the hand luggage must be REALLY small - they have limits to what you can hold |
| 19:00.06 | lcuk | and you can only take 1 piece of hand luggage through - your laptop bag or a normal carry on bag |
| 19:00.24 | hrw|gone | lcuk: some airlines allow laptop+bag iirc |
| 19:00.32 | nemo | dystopia: depends whose economy your talking about |
| 19:00.38 | lcuk | the operative there is *some* i think |
| 19:00.56 | lcuk | i wouldnt like to be stood at airport and have to decide which - take a laptop bag with a small pocket |
| 19:01.02 | nemo | dystopia: who's |
| 19:01.08 | nemo | you're |
| 19:01.13 | nemo | wow. my grammar sucks today |
| 19:01.18 | nemo | gets some more coffee |
| 19:01.23 | lcuk | it must be contagious then - sorry |
| 19:01.45 | lcuk | is taking laptop for the first ever time |
| 19:01.57 | lcuk | omg ive still got so much to do |
| 19:03.13 | nemo | dystopia: lot of factors, but war does "create jobs" - is spectacularly inefficient at it of course. gov't created jobs can be thought of as a risky long-term investment that might pay off, or might just run up the credit cards further. |
| 19:03.48 | XTL | Mm.. sweet depression |
| 19:04.10 | RST38h | May I remind the participants that the latest war (Iraqi one) has not created a significant amount of jobs |
| 19:04.36 | nemo | RST38h: the world wars helped US initially since it was selling weapons to the other combattants |
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| 19:04.51 | nemo | even so, wasn't that beneficial - setting US up as dominant power and currency benefitted it more. |
| 19:04.58 | nemo | god |
| 19:05.03 | nemo | my spelling is screwed too. WTH |
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| 19:08.08 | hrw|gone | nemo: since iraq war started usd started to loose value |
| 19:08.23 | hrw|gone | I remember 1usd = 4 pln. now it is rather ~2pln |
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| 19:11.45 | XTL | better catch it and bring it back to tight value |
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| 19:20.15 | nemo | hrw|gone: one of many factors |
| 19:20.27 | nemo | hrw|gone: but yes. not an insignificant one |
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| 19:35.59 | RST38h | http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/16/fiorina_palin_lacks_experience.html |
| 19:36.08 | RST38h | Fiorina <eek> |
| 19:36.23 | RST38h | THAT Fiorina |
| 19:37.31 | guenther | jott: around? |
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| 19:42.17 | Proteous | we kicked jott out, no one likes that guy |
| 19:43.14 | konttori | Has anyone timed what is the longest time to save a page in maemo.org? I've now been waiting for around 3,5 minutes for it to save. |
| 19:43.24 | konttori | (adding application) |
| 19:43.56 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 19:44.00 | GeneralAntilles | Downloads is among the worst |
| 19:44.09 | GeneralAntilles | Go cook yourself dinner or something. |
| 19:44.12 | Proteous | maemo.org is slow? |
| 19:44.23 | GeneralAntilles | News to me. |
| 19:44.33 | Proteous | !!! |
| 19:44.34 | povbot | Proteous: Error: "!!" is not a valid command. |
| 19:44.39 | Proteous | ... |
| 19:44.49 | Proteous | !shush |
| 19:44.49 | povbot | Proteous: Error: "shush" is not a valid command. |
| 19:45.32 | Proteous | !IcomplainAboutErrorsAlot |
| 19:45.32 | povbot | Proteous: Error: "IcomplainAboutErrorsAlot" is not a valid command. |
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| 19:45.54 | RST38h | General: Have you checked the development page layout I have done? |
| 19:46.08 | Proteous | !a b |
| 19:46.09 | povbot | Proteous: Error: "a" is not a valid command. |
| 19:46.22 | konttori | save completed! |
| 19:46.27 | Proteous | !""" |
| 19:46.28 | povbot | Proteous: Error: No closing quotation |
| 19:46.51 | Proteous | !""/"' |
| 19:46.52 | povbot | Proteous: Error: "" is not a valid command. |
| 19:46.56 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, the tutorials section looks like a google ad. :P |
| 19:46.57 | guenther | What's next? Attempting an SQL Injection? |
| 19:47.02 | Proteous | yes |
| 19:47.06 | Proteous | :) |
| 19:47.25 | Stskeeps | Proteous: to save the rest of us, /msg povbot !a b works too |
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| 19:48.52 | RST38h | General: As long as it is short and clear, this should not be a problem |
| 19:49.16 | RST38h | I am more concerned about placing all the other stuff (not tutorial and not reference) |
| 19:49.25 | RST38h | Will most likely link to it from Resources pane |
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| 19:56.48 | dystopia | !sdrawkcab |
| 19:56.48 | povbot | dystopia: Error: "sdrawkcab" is not a valid command. |
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| 20:06.22 | konttori | Hi guys. cairoclock is out (thanks khertan!) |
| 20:06.24 | konttori | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/cairoclock/ |
| 20:09.13 | konttori | I just made a small blog post about it: http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2008/09/cairoclock-out.html |
| 20:09.48 | GeneralAntilles | There's another clock of a similar type in the statusbar-clock package. |
| 20:10.34 | konttori | is it the same? |
| 20:11.43 | GeneralAntilles | "Bahnhofsuhr" |
| 20:11.46 | GeneralAntilles | Looks a little nicer. |
| 20:11.59 | timeless | south train station ? |
| 20:12.16 | mikkov_ | konttori: no, it isn't the same |
| 20:12.25 | konttori | any screenshots of the statusbar clock thingy? |
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| 20:13.35 | sp3000 | which thingy? |
| 20:13.53 | sp3000 | has one thingy |
| 20:13.59 | konttori | the statusbar clock home screen applet that GeneralAntilles was talking about |
| 20:14.02 | timeless | sp3000 i'm still trying... and i'm hitting some snags |
| 20:14.14 | timeless | sp3000 (mostly people snags) |
| 20:14.30 | GeneralAntilles | mikkov_, they both provide scalable desktop clocks. |
| 20:14.31 | sp3000 | you're hitting people? |
| 20:14.50 | konttori | timeless: what was the uri to the flash on facebook that didn't work? |
| 20:14.55 | konttori | I was trying to find it yesterday |
| 20:15.15 | timeless | it's basically any video in new facebook |
| 20:15.21 | timeless | or something like that |
| 20:15.33 | timeless | sadly atm new facebook triggers an infinite out of memory dialog cascade instead |
| 20:15.35 | konttori | Ah.. Can you send me a link to any? |
| 20:15.38 | timeless | which made testing kinda suck |
| 20:15.40 | konttori | ;) |
| 20:15.43 | timeless | no. requires a facebook account |
| 20:15.45 | timeless | i don't have one |
| 20:15.56 | mikkov_ | GeneralAntilles: yes, but they are not the same. Transparency is cairoclock's "thing" |
| 20:16.03 | timeless | i sent you an email w/ our tester cc'd and asked him to get steps for you |
| 20:16.10 | timeless | he should get back to you tomorrow |
| 20:16.11 | konttori | thannks |
| 20:16.16 | timeless | i'm travelling tomorrow to berlin |
| 20:16.24 | konttori | I'm not interested in it today either ;) |
| 20:16.31 | konttori | Ah. I'll leave on thursday |
| 20:17.34 | robink | wishes he hadn't upgraded the kernel modules for his N810 |
| 20:17.44 | robink | thinks that's what broke the ipv6.ko autoloading. |
| 20:18.42 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/clock.jpg konttori |
| 20:19.05 | konttori | ah. thanks. cool. |
| 20:19.21 | konttori | Looks like that other clock is also using cairo |
| 20:19.37 | konttori | just isn't transparent. |
| 20:20.25 | sp3000 | removes from home again |
| 20:20.33 | sp3000 | looks away |
| 20:20.37 | sp3000 | sees desktop crash |
| 20:22.38 | robink | My desktop crashes all the time. |
| 20:23.51 | gomiam | robink: should you buy new legs for it? *ducks and hides* |
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| 20:28.15 | robink | gomiam: Heh |
| 20:28.29 | robink | I need either newer nVidia drivers or the Noveau ones. |
| 20:28.39 | guenther | hmm, reminds me |
| 20:29.06 | guenther | The desktop crashes for me, too. More than frequently. |
| 20:29.06 | brontide | is getting a charge and a good signal |
| 20:29.18 | guenther | Basically, just leave the device alone for a while... |
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| 20:30.07 | guenther | By "crash" I mean... All home applets are disabled, and vanished from the desktop. |
| 20:30.43 | guenther | The enabled tray applets get reset to default, too. |
| 20:31.02 | guenther | This seems to have started when I first set up Modest. |
| 20:31.13 | guenther | Does the above ring a bell for anyone? |
| 20:31.21 | mikkov_ | usually one of the applets is causing the crash |
| 20:31.23 | robink | Oh, N8x0 desktop? |
| 20:31.48 | guenther | hah, yes :-) |
| 20:32.06 | mikkov_ | what applets are you using? |
| 20:32.12 | guenther | You where talking OT, eh? Right, there's a reference to nVidia later... ;) |
| 20:33.26 | guenther | Applets: Used to be RSS Reader, Web Search, Clock, Get Started. Plus OMWeather (unstable edition) and Countdown Home. |
| 20:33.46 | guenther | (this does *not* coincide with unstable OMW install) |
| 20:34.42 | guenther | Status Bar: large status bar clock. alarm applet disabled. |
| 20:35.17 | guenther | FWIW, I disabled all these home applets but Clock and OMWeather. |
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| 20:35.24 | guenther | crashed again, just a few ago |
| 20:35.53 | mikkov_ | disable them all. Then you know if it's something else or not |
| 20:36.05 | guenther | Funny, dude. |
| 20:36.19 | guenther | If I disable all applets, how am I supposed to see the crash? |
| 20:36.27 | guenther | Which is... disable all applets. |
| 20:36.33 | mikkov_ | leave menu open |
| 20:36.58 | guenther | hmm... |
| 20:37.13 | robink | Anyone know why the GPE applet doesn't show todos? |
| 20:37.31 | sp3000 | you've done everything there's to do? |
| 20:37.44 | sp3000 | you're free now! |
| 20:37.47 | guenther | Well, applets are disabled. Let me restart though -- they are still saved and enabled in the settings. So I can really disable them. |
| 20:38.10 | guenther | How am I supposed to see if the menu is still open, after the screen is disabled? |
| 20:38.18 | guenther | Got to tap to get t back on... |
| 20:38.56 | mikkov_ | disable screen blanking |
| 20:39.14 | guenther | right, smart move :) |
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| 20:40.14 | mikkov_ | actually it seems that applications also exit when hildon-desktop crashes |
| 20:41.21 | guenther | hmm, I don't think I ever got an app running when this happened |
| 20:41.48 | mikkov_ | hmm now i have two hildon-desktops running at the same time ;) |
| 20:42.02 | mikkov_ | looks pretty interesting |
| 20:42.09 | guenther | hmm, wait |
| 20:42.22 | guenther | No option to disable display switching off. |
| 20:43.19 | mikkov_ | ok, now there is three hildon-desktops |
| 20:43.53 | guenther | go mikkov_, go! |
| 20:44.02 | guenther | There's RAM for another one. |
| 20:44.44 | mikkov_ | four |
| 20:44.53 | mikkov_ | five |
| 20:45.03 | lcuk | starts chanting "Six!!! Six!!! Six!!!" |
| 20:45.21 | mikkov_ | they wont die! |
| 20:45.29 | guenther | uhm, you started announcing with 2... |
| 20:45.41 | lcuk | you will have to nuke 'em from orbit. its the only way to be sure. |
| 20:45.49 | guenther | There are *2* here, too. |
| 20:46.09 | lcuk | oh, hes got a problem, i thought he was just stresstesting |
| 20:46.13 | mikkov_ | when i try kill them, there always one more |
| 20:46.27 | lcuk | you sure they arent just in zombie stage |
| 20:46.58 | mikkov_ | they are all functional ;) |
| 20:49.17 | mikkov_ | situation back to normal :) |
| 20:50.29 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 20:50.32 | GeneralAntilles | I love that |
| 20:50.35 | GeneralAntilles | Hall-o-mirrors |
| 20:51.16 | mikkov_ | ok, applications don't always die when hildon-desktop dies |
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| 20:52.15 | GeneralAntilles | In fact, they usually don't. |
| 20:52.22 | GeneralAntilles | They just disappear from the task navigator. |
| 20:53.10 | brontide | unless hldon-launcher also went crazy and/or you get whacked by the watchdog |
| 20:53.24 | brontide | hildon-launcher even |
| 20:56.36 | rm_you | so. when should i plan to show up for osim? at exactly 8? or like 10ish? |
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| 21:03.05 | guenther | geeky conference... 8 he said... |
| 21:03.17 | Stskeeps | a hangover and around 11 for the lucnh |
| 21:03.18 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:07.03 | brontide | wonders what international flight that pidgin is on |
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| 21:07.46 | brontide | Tim and I will probably be crashing things around 11 assuming no flight delays |
| 21:09.10 | Stskeeps | samoff? (sp) |
| 21:22.06 | sp3000 | 'samoff' seems to be the correct spelling. |
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| 21:28.11 | brontide-alt | Stskeeps: Yep, we're on slow flights over the pond and are meeting up at Tegel |
| 21:28.31 | Stskeeps | hehe, say hi from me and thanks for the logo ;) |
| 21:28.51 | RST38h | General, before I go to sleep, do check the development page layout one more time |
| 21:28.53 | lcuk | you should try to do world record wifi connection from plane2plane |
| 21:29.08 | RST38h | General: It looks like vertical columns have not been such a good idea so I changed them |
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| 21:46.30 | yacoob | hm... anyone used http://stardict.sourceforge.net/Dictionaries_WikiPedia.php ? |
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| 21:56.45 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: you happen to remember which kernel .config setting generates fbcon, softcursor, bitblit, font? |
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| 21:57.56 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: no, there's quite a few of them, can't remember the settings i enabled :/ |
| 21:58.22 | Stskeeps | nm, got it |
| 21:58.41 | Stskeeps | it's basically enabling framebuffer console |
| 22:00.48 | GeneralAntilles | still doesn't get what allnameswereout's angle is. |
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| 22:06.34 | brontide-alt | thinks some people just like to argue |
| 22:07.58 | GeneralAntilles | Evidently |
| 22:09.47 | mikkov_ | if server upgrade isn't done soon, we're in deep shit |
| 22:10.53 | GeneralAntilles | Why's that? |
| 22:11.27 | mikkov_ | maemo.org is beginning to totally unusable |
| 22:11.32 | mikkov_ | to be |
| 22:11.40 | GeneralAntilles | Erm? |
| 22:11.42 | GeneralAntilles | That's new? |
| 22:11.57 | dystopia | more of the same |
| 22:12.37 | brontide-alt | It's frustrating since I would to put more stuff there |
| 22:12.43 | mikkov_ | not new, now it's getting unbearable even for me |
| 22:12.49 | mikkov_ | :/ |
| 22:13.29 | GeneralAntilles | Eh, it fluctuates. |
| 22:13.59 | brontide-alt | flatulates more likely |
| 22:14.24 | mikkov_ | trend to slower and slower |
| 22:14.39 | GeneralAntilles | The stupid Finnish holiday really screwed us over. |
| 22:15.02 | mikkov_ | what holiday? |
| 22:15.11 | brontide-alt | anyways... that's my plane.... be back when I can find reliable internet in Berlin |
| 22:15.11 | *** part/#maemo brontide-alt (n=ew2193@43.sub-75-221-50.myvzw.com) |
| 22:15.22 | GeneralAntilles | The really lame Finnish summer holiday. |
| 22:15.34 | mikkov_ | that was 1.5 months ago |
| 22:15.57 | GeneralAntilles | Right |
| 22:16.12 | GeneralAntilles | We might be a month into new servers if it weren't for the holiday. |
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| 22:17.27 | mikkov_ | and generally you can keep your holidays somewhere between may and august |
| 22:19.08 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: noticed "Kernel Execute-In-Place from ROM" in .config btw |
| 22:19.10 | GeneralAntilles | My point being, the people at the ISP needed to get the upgrade move going went on hoilday |
| 22:19.17 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: (not active) |
| 22:19.19 | GeneralAntilles | which delayed the upgrade until now. |
| 22:20.03 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: yeah, .config has a lot of things (like kexec) but they don't work :( |
| 22:24.35 | sneakret | I can't help noticing that when I click a URL in xterm, it underlines but doesn't open. Is there a way to make it open? |
| 22:24.45 | sneakret | like ctrl-click |
| 22:24.50 | sneakret | or sumfin |
| 22:25.10 | qwerty12_N800 | grab my xterm mod |
| 22:25.29 | sneakret | gimme :) |
| 22:25.46 | qwerty12_N800 | they disabled the context menu because of bugs, i reenabled because open url worked fine :) |
| 22:25.49 | qwerty12_N800 | a sec :) |
| 22:25.50 | dystopia | holy day:-) |
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| 22:26.20 | dystopia | is it possible to actually use a newer kernel than the stock using the .config from old ? |
| 22:26.52 | sneakret | also, is there any way to make urls open in a new browser, instead of clobbering my existing one? |
| 22:26.53 | qwerty12_N800 | sneakret: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23291 |
| 22:27.02 | sneakret | thanks! |
| 22:27.43 | dystopia | ironically he can't click on it :0) |
| 22:28.07 | sneakret | I noticed that irony myself! :) |
| 22:28.17 | qwerty12_N800 | using irssi? :p |
| 22:28.51 | sneakret | and... wouldn't it be nice to be able to open a URL from the search applet? |
| 22:29.31 | dystopia | once you got it working i'll send you a link to http://www.unixsex.com |
| 22:29.32 | sneakret | can't screen xchat |
| 22:29.48 | qwerty12_N800 | you can get xchat for maemo |
| 22:30.01 | qwerty12_N800 | it's in diablo extras-devel |
| 22:30.04 | GAN800 | You can proxy it, though. |
| 22:30.21 | sneakret | dircproxy or something? |
| 22:30.34 | dystopia | irssi-proxy |
| 22:30.41 | qwerty12_N800 | ssh -X forwarding i'd presume |
| 22:30.41 | GAN800 | irssi-proxy |
| 22:30.53 | mikkov_ | it's good to know that maemo.org maintainer is close to his work place ;) http://nemein.com/en/people/ |
| 22:30.53 | sneakret | ah, cool. I'll check it out then! |
| 22:31.26 | dystopia | there is a manual about this on http://www.irssi.org or type /set proxy |
| 22:32.25 | mikkov_ | is there some reason why xchat is only in extras-devel? |
| 22:32.30 | sneakret | seems like it should be possible to add an Open URL to the search applet... has that been done? |
| 22:32.33 | guenther | timeless: HAHA |
| 22:33.03 | GAN800 | mikkov, mgedmin is working on cleaning up the packaging. |
| 22:33.14 | qwerty12_N800 | mikkov_: mgedmin explained on -developers that there are too much locale packages |
| 22:33.15 | guenther | Thanks for the uppercase hint. :) That was from memory, but I am positive it actually is upper case. |
| 22:33.25 | guenther | timelyx: ^^ Or is it you? ;) |
| 22:33.40 | dystopia | it does clutter the list |
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| 22:39.03 | mikkov_xchat | I think that xchat could be in extras. Seems to work fine |
| 22:39.13 | sneakret | qwerty12_N800: No tidy little patched xterm package, eh? |
| 22:39.21 | GAN800 | Like we said, it's just the packaging. ;) |
| 22:39.44 | GAN800 | If somebody wants to jump in and clean it up for him, I'm sure he wouldn't mind. |
| 22:39.51 | mikkov_ | packaging can be fixed later. |
| 22:39.59 | qwerty12_N800 | sneakret: it's a deb. |
| 22:40.03 | mikkov_ | jus promoting xchat should be fine |
| 22:40.40 | sneakret | ah.... I thought it was just a .patch |
| 22:41.13 | GAN800 | I need to get a windshield holder for the tablet for my headboard. . . . |
| 22:41.13 | sneakret | Oh! didn't see the attachment |
| 22:41.18 | sneakret | d'oh |
| 22:42.37 | mikkov_xchat | xchat statusbar thing seems pretty useless to me |
| 22:42.45 | GAN800 | It is |
| 22:42.52 | qwerty12_N800 | it can be disabled in settings |
| 22:42.54 | GAN800 | Turn it off in prefs. |
| 22:43.15 | mikkov_ | i would vote for totally removing it ;) |
| 22:43.35 | GAN800 | Disabled by default, maybe. |
| 22:43.41 | qwerty12_N800 | ^ |
| 22:44.48 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm, let's see |
| 22:44.58 | GeneralAntilles | Ari's talk is at 11:55 UTC+2 tomorrow |
| 22:45.10 | GeneralAntilles | 5:55 local |
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| 22:47.11 | Chani | why do I have a window called 'browserd' under all my other windows, showing gmail which I thought I just closed? |
| 22:48.08 | robink | Argh, I'm missing Maemo-Summit |
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| 22:53.16 | dystopia | 17:55 tomorow? live? |
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| 22:57.03 | GAN800 | AM |
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| 22:57.22 | GAN800 | Doubtf there'll be a webcast |
| 22:57.46 | GAN800 | Somebody should be updating us here. |
| 22:58.08 | lcuk | if i crash out of a program - what happens to the memory - is it all freed up or can it be slowly eaten |
| 22:58.27 | robink | 04:55 PDT. |
| 22:58.57 | dystopia | so in about 10 hours |
| 22:59.20 | robink | Assuming it's at 11:55PM over there. |
| 23:00.23 | dystopia | 11:55 UTC+2 (Finland time), that is 10:55 in Berlin |
| 23:00.33 | dystopia | AM |
| 23:00.43 | GAN800 | Oh, Berlin is +1? |
| 23:00.56 | dystopia | Berlin is +1, Finland +2 |
| 23:01.01 | GAN800 | It's in Berlin, not Finland. |
| 23:01.19 | dystopia | so its in about 11 hours |
| 23:01.46 | robink | 02:55 PDT? |
| 23:02.14 | robink | (GMT -0700)? |
| 23:02.17 | GAN800 | EDT is -4, PDT is -7 |
| 23:02.35 | robink | GAN800: You guys are EDT? |
| 23:02.41 | GAN800 | I am. |
| 23:02.51 | robink | GAN800: I assume GeneralAntilles is as well. |
| 23:02.52 | GAN800 | I'm not sure who 'guys' is. |
| 23:03.11 | GAN800 | <- GeneralAntilles800 |
| 23:03.19 | dystopia | lol |
| 23:03.21 | GAN800 | s/800/N800/ |
| 23:03.21 | robink | haha OK n/m |
| 23:03.30 | robink | GAN800: Gotcha. |
| 23:03.33 | dystopia | robink: you're right though |
| 23:03.41 | robink | dystopia: Hurrah. |
| 23:04.51 | dystopia | hope some german news service will report about OSiM |
| 23:06.41 | GAN800 | baloo's got a 720p camera |
| 23:07.04 | GAN800 | So we'll be getting itat some point. |
| 23:07.29 | mikkov_ | dystopia: Finland is +3 |
| 23:07.30 | robink | GAN800: One of those $200 720p cameras? |
| 23:07.33 | GAN800 | Somebody might be able to swing a ustream feed if wifi isn't totally slammed there. |
| 23:07.50 | GAN800 | robink, no, I think he's got something real. |
| 23:07.55 | robink | mikkov_: Doesn't Finland have more than one TZ? |
| 23:08.02 | GAN800 | There's and equipment list on the wiki. |
| 23:08.12 | mikkov_ | robink: no |
| 23:08.19 | robink | GAN800: The only 720p cameras I could find were ~$200. |
| 23:08.30 | robink | mikkov_: Oh, 'k. |
| 23:08.33 | Mek | I think berlin is in CEST, and thus UTC+2... |
| 23:08.41 | GAN800 | robink, most big camera manufacturers have at least one now. |
| 23:08.54 | robink | GAN800: Didn't know that. |
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| 23:09.00 | mikkov_ | it's daylight saving time |
| 23:09.17 | robink | mikkov_: Ahh. |
| 23:09.21 | mikkov_ | or summer time |
| 23:09.28 | GAN800 | DST need |
| 23:09.31 | GAN800 | s die |
| 23:09.44 | GAN800 | Stupid fkb |
| 23:09.50 | robink | Why was it initated anyway? |
| 23:09.53 | mikkov_ | GAN800: agreed ;) (abot dst) |
| 23:10.06 | robink | s/ita/itia/ |
| 23:10.11 | GAN800 | Likes to randomly send when I don't want it to and refuses to when I do. |
| 23:10.16 | mikkov_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time might have some reasoning |
| 23:10.29 | GAN800 | robink, ~wikipedia dst |
| 23:10.36 | GAN800 | lol |
| 23:10.42 | GAN800 | Stupid fkb again |
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| 23:18.49 | dystopia | Berlin is on GMT+1 |
| 23:19.35 | mikkov_ | during dst +2 |
| 23:20.16 | mikkov_ | GMT was deprecated some 30 years ago |
| 23:22.24 | dystopia | what is the time in london? |
| 23:22.35 | dystopia | DST+1? |
| 23:22.48 | dystopia | this is the current time in berlin: |
| 23:22.50 | guenther | err |
| 23:22.53 | mikkov_ | UTC+1 |
| 23:22.53 | dystopia | Wed Sep 17 01:23:16 CEST 2008 |
| 23:23.11 | guenther | Berlin is UTC +1, currently UTC +2 due to dailight saving. |
| 23:23.20 | guenther | London is UTC. ;) |
| 23:23.30 | guenther | So, right now... +0100 |
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| 23:25.32 | guenther | Helsinki, btw, is UTC +2, thus +0300 now due to daylight saving time. |
| 23:25.41 | guenther | Same for Instanbul. :) |
| 23:26.40 | dystopia | i get it, but i assumed the timezone, like for example CEST, would automatically take DST into account |
| 23:27.15 | dystopia | so CEST (and if DST is in effect its +1) that how i always counted; wrong |
| 23:27.26 | guenther | If you have that S in the timezone name... yes |
| 23:27.52 | dystopia | without S its correct? |
| 23:27.59 | guenther | CEST is central european summer time |
| 23:28.03 | dystopia | ahh i see |
| 23:28.14 | dystopia | CET or CEST |
| 23:28.26 | guenther | Same as CET. Just the other half of the year. |
| 23:28.33 | dystopia | and if you use GMT+1 this isn't possible with +S |
| 23:28.43 | guenther | aye |
| 23:29.07 | guenther | I can't memorize these acronyms anyway. |
| 23:29.23 | guenther | I use timezone offsets internally. :) |
| 23:29.25 | dystopia | thats why i prefer GMT+1 etc |
| 23:29.47 | guenther | UTC +1 |
| 23:29.49 | GAN800 | UTC |
| 23:29.54 | guenther | GMT is deprecated :) |
| 23:29.59 | GAN800 | GMT is dead |
| 23:30.04 | dystopia | and i counted from london, so if london is in summer time and so am i, no need to take DST into account |
| 23:30.23 | guenther | You rarely need to anyway. |
| 23:30.39 | guenther | Most countries do have DST. |
| 23:31.04 | dystopia | but the DST goes into effet on different times throuhout the world |
| 23:31.11 | mikkov_ | these countries don't have DST http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time_around_the_world#No_DST |
| 23:31.17 | guenther | Differs a week or two, occasionally. But other than that time, it's safe to simply drop the DST and just use timezone offsets. |
| 23:32.02 | dystopia | few years ago i almost missed an airplane due to that |
| 23:32.16 | guenther | heh |
| 23:32.38 | lcuk | would rather walk around the airport for 4 hours than ever risk that chance |
| 23:32.42 | guenther | DST change already in effect, though you didn't know because "yours" isn't? |
| 23:32.51 | lcuk | i have my nokia, i can be entertained :) |
| 23:33.35 | mikkov_ | isn't whole EU changing DST at the time now? |
| 23:33.37 | lcuk | i think im ready now by the way |
| 23:33.45 | mikkov_ | at the same time |
| 23:33.59 | guenther | dunno, possibly |
| 23:34.07 | guenther | EU and US don't, that I know... |
| 23:34.21 | guenther | Oh, and that some US states changed it recently. |
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| 23:34.43 | guenther | Caused some major trouble with PIM software... |
| 23:35.06 | dystopia | guenther: exactly |
| 23:35.15 | guenther | Read: All appointments off by 1 hour. |
| 23:35.21 | guenther | That was fun. :) |
| 23:36.18 | dystopia | i always use that excuse when i'm late on appt but it gets old quickly for some reason |
| 23:36.18 | guenther | heh :) |
| 23:36.18 | dystopia | "my PDA was broken" |
| 23:36.23 | robink | GAN800, guenther: Thanks; good to know. |
| 23:36.36 | guenther | I was effected only indirectly by that change. Dealt with lots of users... |
| 23:37.17 | guenther | dystopia: yeah, you can use that a few times |
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| 23:37.28 | dystopia | must be hell experiencing that same problem again and again |
| 23:37.43 | guenther | Just be careful to use it a week, and then let a couple months pass before you use it again. ;) |
| 23:38.09 | Veggen | <---wasjust out on town with a large (200 million dollar) customer, a vendor and an agenda. |
| 23:38.13 | Veggen | was weird. |
| 23:38.27 | dystopia | mt other excuse is that i couldnt find my house keys |
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| 23:38.57 | dystopia | although i had to use that only once thus far :0) |
| 23:39.37 | Veggen | ok, customer was drunk and might not have as much power as he says he has :) |
| 23:39.47 | dystopia | grins |
| 23:40.03 | guenther | $ ps axw | grep [/]hildon-desktop | wc -l |
| 23:40.03 | guenther | 2 |
| 23:40.11 | guenther | Is that normal? |
| 23:40.16 | dystopia | at least he wasn't on cocaine |
| 23:40.26 | guenther | Straight after boot. |
| 23:40.49 | dystopia | don't know, but here 2 as well |
| 23:40.51 | mikkov_ | guenther: it's normal |
| 23:40.54 | GAN800 | er, grep and the real hildon-desktop? |
| 23:41.06 | dystopia | the processes id are following up too |
| 23:41.17 | guenther | GAN800: No, that's what the [] is for. :) |
| 23:41.21 | guenther | Not counting grep. |
| 23:41.39 | dystopia | i also have 2 hildon-input-method, also PID in sequence |
| 23:41.41 | guenther | dystopia: exactly |
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| 23:41.54 | guenther | ok, cool, thanks guys |
| 23:42.04 | guenther | So that's not my crashing desktop issue. |
| 23:42.12 | dystopia | hehe:-) |
| 23:42.58 | guenther | already ponder a re-flash |
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| 23:44.02 | Veggen | dystopia: nah. but it was still weird. We're a vendor, another part of our company is a vendor at a different level, and some of the business of this London trip might affect that, cause they might be buying something of someone else instead of us (them), and give us (another part) the maintenance job. |
| 23:44.08 | Veggen | polictics. |
| 23:47.05 | dystopia | is getting a headache already |
| 23:47.06 | dystopia | :> |
| 23:48.45 | Veggen | dystopia: so we just had a hotel lobby chat that I'm not sure that we should have had. but we were drunk, he was drunk, are we excused? I dunno :) |
| 23:49.44 | dystopia | maybe such leads to regaining confidence :0) |
| 23:50.17 | guenther | Veggen: harmonically? |
| 23:50.24 | guenther | No disagreements, just fun? |
| 23:50.32 | Veggen | guenther: harmonically. |
| 23:50.44 | guenther | Then it sounds like whatever the topic was, it was right. |
| 23:51.09 | guenther | Makes customers stay. ;) |
| 23:51.25 | Veggen | I hope so :) |
| 23:51.57 | dystopia | one time at FOSDEM, we (linux developers) went out to dinner to a restaurant some openbsd guy recommended, they came later, and after we ate while they were still ating, we saw a cockroach.. enjoy your meal and see you tomorow ;-) |
