IRC log for #maemo on 20080914

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`00:09.16`	`ssvb`	`derf: are you still here?`
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`00:19.22`	`derf`	`ssvb: Yes.`
`00:21.07`	`ssvb`	`derf: I was just checking vorbis spec, looks page is cut on the right side in pdf file, page 36`
`00:21.26`	`ssvb`	`but I found the same information in html already`
`00:22.04`	`derf`	`I don't think we can even generate the PDF version anymore.`
`00:22.21`	`derf`	`DocBook has bitrotted out from underneath us.`
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`00:22.48`	`ssvb`	`anyway, what does "packet undecodable" mean? what the compliant decoder should do in this case?`
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`00:24.16`	`derf`	`I don't think the specification ever says.`
`00:24.40`	`derf`	`So you can do anything "reasonable".`
`00:25.16`	`derf`	`E.g., substitute silence, throw the samples away, try to do some more sophisticated interpolation...`
`00:26.43`	`derf`	`The only real guarantee is that a compliant decoder correctly decodes compliant streams.`
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`00:27.42`	`ssvb`	`I see, thanks. Cloning 'oggdec' behaviour would be the best choice probably`
`00:27.55`	`derf`	`It should certainly be a reasonable choice.`
`00:28.19`	`derf`	`Whatever you do, don't try to decode partial data that may be corrupt.`
`00:28.24`	`derf`	`You might blow out Monty's speakers.`
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`01:57.18`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Nice, an iPhone article finally made it to Planet`
`01:57.42`	`GeneralAntilles`	`That certainly sounds like a sign-off letter, can we stop syndicating his blog then?`
`02:00.27`	`timelyx`	`heh`
`02:01.56`	`timelyx`	`yeah, delist him`
`02:04.05`	`GeneralAntilles`	`is writing the flasher usage page.`
`02:04.40`	`GeneralAntilles`	`wonders how, exactly, fiasco-flasher plans on flashing the rootfs.`
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`02:05.58`	`dontupanic`	`does this room have a question bot set up ?`
`02:06.05`	`timelyx`	`~help`
`02:06.15`	`dontupanic`	`thank you`
`02:06.17`	`GeneralAntilles`	`infobot, say hello.`
`02:06.18`	`infobot`	`hello.`
`02:06.29`	`timelyx`	`yeah, don't use ~help, you'll regret it`
`02:06.31`	`timelyx`	`it's just infobot`
`02:06.47`	`dontupanic`	`ok`
`02:07.14`	`dontupanic`	`infobot update n810`
`02:07.25`	`GeneralAntilles`	`~flashing`
`02:07.25`	`infobot`	`rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware`
`02:07.43`	`dontupanic`	`thanks`
`02:08.57`	`dontupanic`	`ya that is more like it. thanks all`
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`02:33.57`	`mdg`	`anyone using a bluetooth adapter with their PC to connect to their N770?`
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`02:35.07`	`mdg`	`My 770 sees my desktop computer via bluetooth, but when I try to pair I get a message that there are no services available?`
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`02:37.33`	`timelyx`	`are you telling us or asking us?`
`02:37.47`	`timelyx`	`because we really don't know your computer :)`
`02:37.55`	`GeneralAntilles`	`~boot-sd`
`02:37.56`	`infobot`	`methinks boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card`
`02:39.32`	`mdg`	`My 770 tells me there are no services, but I have enabled all bluetooth services on my desktop`
`02:40.22`	`timelyx`	`what services does your desktop claim to offer?`
`02:41.09`	`timelyx`	`bluez-utils or bluez-utils-test has tools which let you browse bluetooth services`
`02:41.12`	`timelyx`	`in case you don't trust us`
`02:41.38`	`mdg`	`input service, network service, audio service and serial service - all "running"`
`02:42.20`	`timelyx`	`look at the bluez commandline tool and see what it says`
`02:42.29`	`timelyx`	`but which of those did you expect the 770 to use?`
`02:43.13`	`mdg`	`input or network`
`02:43.35`	`timelyx`	`network is probably pand which we definitely didn't ship support for`
`02:43.47`	`GeneralAntilles`	`input is presumably HID`
`02:43.50`	`timelyx`	`supposedly pand is in bluez-utils(-test)`
`02:43.52`	`GeneralAntilles`	`which the 770 doesn't provide`
`02:44.01`	`timelyx`	`GeneralAntilles: provide as client or server?`
`02:44.27`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Well, you can connect a keyboard to the 770, but you can't make the 770 behave as a keyboard for the computer.`
`02:44.29`	`timelyx`	`but yeah HID was a feature we only vaguely supported w/ n800 and later`
`02:44.32`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Not without 3rd party software, anyway.`
`02:44.42`	`GeneralAntilles`	`~PAN`
`02:44.42`	`infobot`	`Gnome/GTK Newsreader. URL: http://www.superpimp.org/`
`02:44.46`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Bleh`
`02:44.47`	`GeneralAntilles`	`http://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_PAN`
`02:44.52`	`GeneralAntilles`	`~bluetooth-pan`
`02:44.55`	`timelyx`	`GeneralAntilles: i'm pretty sure he's trying to do the former`
`02:45.02`	`GeneralAntilles`	`~bluetooth-pan is http://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_PAN`
`02:45.03`	`infobot`	`GeneralAntilles: okay`
`02:45.16`	`mdg`	`what about the other way around - use the computer keyboard to run the 770?`
`02:45.40`	`timelyx`	`mdg: there's a keyboard control panel applet iirc`
`02:45.49`	`timelyx`	`and maybe a second one labeled something else...`
`02:46.03`	`mdg`	`for os2006?`
`02:46.28`	`GeneralAntilles`	`mdg, VNC is the easier way to go about getting that`
`02:46.31`	`timelyx`	`keyboard as an applet shipped w/ the os`
`02:46.44`	`timelyx`	`but yeah`
`02:46.50`	`timelyx`	`by the time you're there, what's the point`
`02:46.52`	`timelyx`	`use vnc :)`
`02:46.54`	`mdg`	`tried VNC last night - no go - I got a weird network setup apparently`
`02:47.25`	`timelyx`	`install ssh(-server)`
`02:47.45`	`mdg`	`I have one wireless desktop that I would love to use to access the 770, wifi is provided by a belkin router`
`02:48.17`	`mdg`	`ssh-server on the desktop or the 770?`
`02:49.06`	`timelyx`	`personally i'd stick both on both`
`02:49.14`	`timelyx`	`it makes life simpler`
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`02:49.25`	`mdg`	`can I make a "mini" network between my wireless desktop and 770, not using wifi from router?`
`02:49.55`	`timelyx`	`yes`
`02:50.07`	`mdg`	`I have open sshserver on 770`
`02:50.18`	`timelyx`	`but if you have to ask, then you'll probably regret trying to do it :)`
`02:50.37`	`mdg`	`would that be considered an ad hoc connection - wireless desktop to 770?`
`02:50.41`	`timelyx`	`is the desktop wired to the router or wireless?`
`02:50.42`	`GeneralAntilles`	`mdg, you did install x11vnc on the tablet, right?`
`02:51.30`	`mdg`	`the one I want to setup is wireless (the one I am using now is not). Yes X11vnc on 770`
`02:51.47`	`GeneralAntilles`	`and you started it from the menu?`
`02:52.11`	`mdg`	`will try starting it now ->>`
`02:52.40`	`mdg`	`okay, nothing happens when I start it from the menu - I must be missing something`
`02:52.42`	`GeneralAntilles`	`If you got a "connection refused" when trying to connect with VNC from your computer to your tablet, then the vnc server on the tablet wasn't started.`
`02:52.51`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Nah, it doesn't give any notification.`
`02:52.56`	`timelyx`	`nice`
`02:53.00`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Hehe`
`02:53.03`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Well, it works. . . .`
`02:53.06`	`timelyx`	`no one considered adding a system notification area thing?`
`02:53.21`	`GeneralAntilles`	`They may have, but it's basically a recompile.`
`02:53.27`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Not even available in a repository.`
`02:53.47`	`mdg`	`next step would be what? Open a terminal on 770?`
`02:53.58`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Try to connect to VNC from the computer.`
`02:55.14`	`mdg`	`I'm at my wired desktop right now - I don't think it will do anything`
`02:55.54`	`mdg`	`I will try and see what happens`
`02:57.33`	`mdg`	`I type "vncserver" and it tells me "New 'x' Desktop is name-desktop:1"`
`02:57.52`	`GeneralAntilles`	`You want the client`
`02:57.55`	`GeneralAntilles`	`You're connecting to a server`
`02:58.14`	`mdg`	`so I should be typing "vncclient?"`
`02:59.24`	`mdg`	`what would client app be called? vncclient didn't work`
`03:00.17`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Isn't Mint Ubuntu-based?`
`03:00.25`	`mdg`	`yes`
`03:00.29`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Is there a "Terminal Server Client" in the application menu somewhere?`
`03:00.59`	`bef0rd`	`vncviewer`
`03:01.35`	`mdg`	`I don't see "terminal Server client"`
`03:01.47`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Maybe http://www.tightvnc.com/download.html if you want a GUI.`
`03:01.53`	`GeneralAntilles`	`bef0rd sounds like he can help here. ;)`
`03:02.39`	`mdg`	`so I should download tightvnc - let me check in synaptic`
`03:02.53`	`bef0rd`	`mdg, try typing on a terminal 'vncviewer'`
`03:04.05`	`mdg`	`vncviewer is installed on my desktop and it came up with a little box asking for ip address`
`03:04.25`	`mdg`	`shoot - I forgot what my Nokia's IP is`
`03:05.05`	`GeneralAntilles`	`~flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher`
`03:05.06`	`infobot`	`okay, GeneralAntilles`
`03:05.10`	`GeneralAntilles`	`timelyx ^`
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`03:07.35`	`mdg`	`I forgot how to see the IP address of my 770`
`03:08.04`	`timelyx`	`connection manager's app menu has a way..`
`03:08.42`	`timelyx`	`GeneralAntilles: This is a sentence. this is not a proper sentence.`
`03:08.43`	`mdg`	`got it - thanks!`
`03:09.07`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I didn't bother to proof it`
`03:09.36`	`timelyx`	`It is available for Linux and OS X (OS X users can only use flasher-2.0, but it will work the same as flasher-3.0) from here`
`03:09.42`	`timelyx`	`using "here" sucks`
`03:09.58`	`timelyx`	`<Download flasher> for Linux and OS X (...).`
`03:10.26`	`mdg`	`It say "Unable to connect to VNC server" and "vncviewer: ConnectToTcpAddr: connect: No route to host`
`03:10.58`	`timelyx`	`GeneralAntilles: err.. the instructions for flashing say not to plug the device into power`
`03:11.01`	`mdg`	`that's my weird network setup again right?`
`03:11.03`	`timelyx`	`the risk is that its state is wrong`
`03:11.14`	`timelyx`	`or that it loses power when you trip on the cable`
`03:11.27`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Well, you're fine to plug it into power after it's in flashing-mode.`
`03:11.31`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Oh?`
`03:12.05`	`timelyx`	`that's the general theory`
`03:12.12`	`timelyx`	`i haven't checked w/ the people who work on it`
`03:12.30`	`timelyx`	`i do know that the windows flasher goes to extremes to tell you not to leave it plugged in while flashing`
`03:12.33`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Oh well, whatever, I've removed it.`
`03:12.46`	`timelyx`	`and most flasher things say very clearly "don't remove power while flashing"`
`03:12.58`	`timelyx`	`for laptops that means "charge first and remove cables"`
`03:13.22`	`timelyx`	`unless you're clear on what you're doing.`
`03:13.25`	`timelyx`	`'clear' is a bad word`
`03:13.26`	`mdg`	`what's the latest os the 770 can be upgraded to?`
`03:13.31`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Man the quality has gone to shit with the new MX Revolutions. . . .`
`03:13.35`	`timelyx`	`it's from some specific slang, i don't know which`
`03:13.45`	`timelyx`	`mdg: you can get a 2007 or a 2008`
`03:13.58`	`timelyx`	`all of 2006, 2007, and 2008 have strange support terms :)`
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`03:14.09`	`vanRijn`	`re, all`
`03:14.22`	`mdg`	`I tried to flash through MInt - what a nightmare, tried through windows and it refused to find the file`
`03:14.54`	`vanRijn`	`does anyone know what the largest miniSD card the latest firmware supports? is the limit still at 8GB?`
`03:14.57`	`timelyx`	`[edit] flasher-3.0`
`03:14.57`	`timelyx`	`All of the options for flasher-3.0`
`03:15.10`	`timelyx`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:15.10`	`timelyx`	`All of the options for fiasco-flasher.`
`03:15.25`	`timelyx`	`GeneralAntilles: the line 'All of' is useless and inconsistently punctuated`
`03:15.31`	`timelyx`	`save time and remove the line ;-)`
`03:16.11`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Done`
`03:16.24`	`timelyx`	`it's 6am`
`03:16.39`	`mdg`	`If vncviewer does not connect then will SSH work?`
`03:18.56`	`GeneralAntilles`	`"At the sound of the tone, the time will be . . ."`
`03:20.27`	`timelyx`	`6:21am`
`03:21.08`	`mdg`	`how do you turn off X11vnc?`
`03:21.27`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Run it from the menu again.`
`03:21.44`	`mdg`	`oh!`
`03:24.25`	`vanRijn`	`hm. I thought micro sdhc cards came in 16 and 32 GB capacities, but I can't find anyone who actually sells them. =:/ does anyone know if the N810 with the latest Maemo firmware will support something higher than 8gb?`
`03:24.42`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Yes`
`03:24.50`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Hardware limit is 2048GB`
`03:25.08`	`mdg`	`WOW!`
`03:25.16`	`GeneralAntilles`	`SDHC is supposedly limited to 32GB at the moment`
`03:25.22`	`timelyx`	`the 8gb limit was because that's all that was available for testing`
`03:25.25`	`GeneralAntilles`	`but I think that's a FAT limitation or something, I'm not clear on the details.`
`03:25.43`	`timelyx`	`fat16 or fat32?`
`03:26.05`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Right, Nokia didn't have anything higher to test with, so they can't really officially state that it'll work if they haven't tested it, but it'll work fine.`
`03:26.09`	`vanRijn`	`GeneralAntilles: so if I can find a 12GB sdhc card, it should work in the n810?`
`03:26.19`	`timelyx`	`i'd sue someone for selling a 12g card :)`
`03:26.20`	`vanRijn`	`oh, and do you have to format it as fat32? or would xfs work?`
`03:26.32`	`timelyx`	`doesn't think maemo supports xfs :)`
`03:26.32`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Depends on how you want to use it`
`03:26.33`	`vanRijn`	`timelyx: what do you mean?`
`03:26.39`	`timelyx`	`12 isn't a power of 2`
`03:26.43`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Options are: FAT32, ext2, ext3.`
`03:27.06`	`timelyx`	`it'd be insane to try to create such a card`
`03:27.06`	`GeneralAntilles`	`6 and 12GB cards exist`
`03:27.06`	`timelyx`	`really?`
`03:27.06`	`timelyx`	`gah`
`03:27.06`	`timelyx`	`why!?`
`03:27.06`	`Proteous`	`why not?`
`03:27.09`	`GeneralAntilles`	`http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/01/08/ces_sandisk_12gb/`
`03:27.17`	`vanRijn`	`timelyx: http://www.gadgetvenue.com/12gb-sandisk-micro-sdhc-01102749/`
`03:27.28`	`Proteous`	`3 4gb cards in parallel`
`03:27.40`	`Proteous`	`4 4gb cards in raid5`
`03:27.43`	`Proteous`	`FTW`
`03:27.59`	`GeneralAntilles`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital_card#SD_.28non-SDHC.29_cards_with_greater_than_1_GB_capacity`
`03:28.18`	`vanRijn`	`GeneralAntilles: have you had any experience with > 8gb cards in an n810?`
`03:28.27`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I don't own an N810`
`03:28.33`	`GeneralAntilles`	`But I have used 16GB cards in an N800.`
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`03:28.54`	`mdg`	`16GB - are you storing videos?`
`03:28.55`	`vanRijn`	`GeneralAntilles: no problems?`
`03:28.56`	`timelyx`	`anyway fat16 had a 4g limit and fat32's limit isn't really reachable`
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`03:29.07`	`GeneralAntilles`	`vanRijn, like I said before, it'll work fine.`
`03:29.21`	`vanRijn`	`timelyx: I don't have any windows machines.. all Linux... so I have no interest in using FAT at all. =:)`
`03:29.29`	`timelyx`	`vanRijn: whatever`
`03:29.34`	`timelyx`	`ext3 sucks`
`03:29.37`	`vanRijn`	`GeneralAntilles: heh. okay. thanks for clarifying. =:)`
`03:29.38`	`Proteous`	`I use fat to cook my fries`
`03:29.43`	`vanRijn`	`Proteous: lol`
`03:29.51`	`GeneralAntilles`	`mdg, movies, music, ebooks, maps, other operating systems.`
`03:29.57`	`timelyx`	`Proteous: how's that work for you?`
`03:29.59`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Lots and lots of space-eating things.`
`03:30.04`	`Proteous`	`very good, nice and crunchy`
`03:30.07`	`mdg`	`other operating systems?`
`03:30.24`	`timelyx`	`os x :)`
`03:30.33`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Deblet, a backup of OS2008, another OS2008 with KDE`
`03:30.40`	`vanRijn`	`oh, and are there any free gps apps coming so I don't have to fork over money for wayfinder? i'd really like turn-by-turn, talking sweetness. =:D`
`03:30.49`	`GeneralAntilles`	`~musthaves`
`03:30.55`	`GeneralAntilles`	`~must-haves`
`03:30.56`	`GeneralAntilles`	`~must-have`
`03:30.58`	`GeneralAntilles`	`~musthave`
`03:30.59`	`infobot`	`somebody said musthave was Maemo Mapper, FBReader, Vagalume, Canola, Numpty Physics, X-Chat, Evince, ScummVM, MyTube, MPlayer, Advanced Backlight, USBControl, Large Statusbar Clock, Transmission and much more. Also see http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Remarkable_community_projects`
`03:31.02`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Woo`
`03:31.05`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Maemo Mapper`
`03:31.07`	`vanRijn`	`hah`
`03:31.08`	`vanRijn`	`oh`
`03:31.10`	`vanRijn`	`sweet`
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`03:31.26`	`GeneralAntilles`	`or Roadmap if you're into vector maps.`
`03:31.29`	`mdg`	`I dont' know what maemo mapper is?`
`03:31.30`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Though it isn't as polished.`
`03:32.02`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I still haven't gotten around to writing a wiki article on it. . . .`
`03:32.04`	`GeneralAntilles`	`http://gnuite.com/nokia770/maemo-mapper/`
`03:33.01`	`mdg`	`oh map program!`
`03:34.05`	`mdg`	`I can't get networking, I don't think maemo mapper is gonna help me find anything! LOL`
`03:34.17`	`GeneralAntilles`	`No networking?`
`03:34.52`	`mdg`	`Oh wifi yes - I can get on the net via my wifi router, but the VNC stuff - not working`
`03:35.37`	`mdg`	`2 wired linux mint, 1 wireless linux mint and 2 win XP (ick)`
`03:36.03`	`mdg`	`and now 770 because I sold my 333 Mhz laptop`
`03:36.34`	`mdg`	`Oh, and I G4 iMac (wired)`
`03:36.50`	`timelyx`	`GeneralAntilles: could you please yell at the last commenter in 3705`
`03:39.04`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Bugzilla doesn't want to load`
`03:39.12`	`timelyx`	`heh`
`03:39.33`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I probably don't feel like getting involved, anyway.`
`03:39.52`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I'll make andre handle it instead.`
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`03:40.32`	`timelyx`	`ok`
`03:40.43`	`mdg`	`Can I ask, what is the red line across the chart area that keeps showing up in X-chat?`
`03:40.59`	`timelyx`	`shows you what you last saw`
`03:40.59`	`mdg`	`sorry chat area`
`03:41.04`	`timelyx`	`to help you catch up`
`03:41.13`	`mdg`	`oh!`
`03:41.46`	`mdg`	`You can't tell I'm new to this can you? LOL`
`03:41.55`	`timelyx`	`shrugs`
`03:41.57`	`timelyx`	`i asked too`
`03:42.09`	`GeneralAntilles`	`It's not the most clearly intuitive thing in the world.`
`03:42.21`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Useful once you figure it out, though.`
`03:42.34`	`timelyx`	`right`
`03:43.06`	`mdg`	`Can I ask a hypthetical VNC question/`
`03:43.16`	`mdg`	`please excuse my spelling`
`03:44.24`	`mdg`	`only me and my 770 and one other person with a wifi enabled laptop - but no other wifi around - we would both pickup wifi from each other?`
`03:52.20`	`mdg`	`read a post on Ubuntu forums about 770's and 800's running a version of Ubuntu?`
`03:52.36`	`GeneralAntilles`	`goodluckwiththat`
`03:52.41`	`GeneralAntilles`	`It's not exactly easy to set up. ;)`
`03:52.59`	`bef0rd`	`I though Ubuntu Mobile Edition was only for x86`
`03:53.39`	`GeneralAntilles`	`It's not the Mobile edition`
`03:53.39`	`GeneralAntilles`	`http://mojo.handhelds.org/`
`03:53.47`	`mdg`	`I'm not having any luck with anything`
`03:54.02`	`GeneralAntilles`	`The 770 is old`
`03:54.33`	`mdg`	`I know, but my pockets are going to be empty for a while`
`03:55.03`	`mdg`	`so no one uses them anymore?`
`03:55.52`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Nah, some people do`
`03:55.57`	`GeneralAntilles`	`but it's not well supported anymore.`
`03:57.21`	`mdg`	`so basically light websurfing, email, look at pictures and listen to mp3s? Oh and a game or two`
`03:58.50`	`mdg`	`it would be nice if I could also have it be able to send web pages I find to the printer - but again the networking stuff`
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`04:00.30`	`mdg`	`what do you all use for networking your linux computers? Linneighborhood? Just Samba?`
`04:02.22`	`vanRijn`	`mdg: network file sharing, you mean? I use NFS.`
`04:04.45`	`mdg`	`okay. Thanks everyone for the help! I'll go find a networking chat and torture them for a while :) LOL`
`04:04.52`	`mdg`	`Night all`
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`04:10.47`	`lopz`	`night`
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`04:15.17`	`mdg`	`hey, thought I would pop back in to tell you I finally got VNC working - right now I am viewing my desktop on my 770!`
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`04:17.01`	`mdg`	`Thank you everyone for all the great help! Finally, something works!`
`04:17.08`	`mdg`	`Night all!`
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`04:25.59`	`bef0rd`	`ehhm, wrong channel >_>`
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`06:35.55`	`coffee88`	`hi. anyone using eclipse and esbox for maemo dev here?`
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`06:54.09`	`qwerty12`	`Morning StsN800`
`06:54.17`	`qwerty12`	`passes RST38h a bucket`
`06:54.28`	`RST38h`	`thanks and good morning =)`
`06:55.09`	`qwerty12`	`Hehe, good morning RST38h`
`06:55.36`	`qwerty12`	`~curse ubuntu for not including squash lzma support as standard`
`06:55.37`	`infobot`	`May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, ubuntu for not including squash lzma support as standard !`
`06:57.12`	`qwerty12`	`incidentally, module-assistant is some cool shit`
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`06:58.41`	`RST38h`	`unlucky qwerty`
`06:58.56`	`qwerty13`	`Hehe, it's a result of stealing internet :P`
`06:58.57`	`StsN800`	`morn qwerty12`
`06:58.58`	`Jaffa`	`GeneralAntilles: delisting colin doesn't make sense quite yet.`
`06:59.29`	`RST38h`	`qwerty: Don't they jail you for this in UK? =)`
`06:59.41`	`qwerty13`	`Probably do`
`07:00.10`	`RST38h`	`wanted to get a static IP address recently and was told to install VPN`
`07:00.36`	`RST38h`	`They are afraid that somebody will cut in and impersonate my IP address`
`07:00.54`	`RST38h`	`Over the Ethernet.`
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`07:18.54`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Jaffa, OK, but how about after the next iPhone article? :P`
`07:21.49`	`tank-man`	`why is he comparing a phone to a nonphone device?`
`07:22.38`	`tank-man`	`people keep wishing n8x0 had gsm, sounds like they are wishing their phones did more`
`07:23.11`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I don't understand people who want to hold a brick like an internet tablet up to their ears.`
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`07:23.22`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Or try to use Hildon for a phone. . . .`
`07:24.20`	`zap`	`the ideal phone would use a simplisic interface on their primary (small) display and a full-featured desktop on secondary display, like a projector or something like a paper roll which can be pulled out of its back :)`
`07:24.31`	`qwerty13`	`I don't understand the knobs who won't just buy an iPhone if they are in love with it so much.`
`07:24.44`	`GeneralAntilles`	`lol`
`07:25.24`	`zap`	`oh my, qwerty12 upgraded his firmware`
`07:26.09`	`qwerty13`	`I can't be bothered to change my nick even though it's right next to where I'm typing. Yes, I'm that lazy. :P`
`07:26.30`	`qwerty13`	`~lart ubuntu`
`07:26.30`	`infobot`	`slams ubuntu against a large cement Tux`
`07:27.11`	`zap`	`thats perversion - slapping ubuntu with a tux`
`07:27.26`	`qwerty13`	`What is perversion is the ubuntu people removing squashfs lzma from Hardy >.<`
`07:28.00`	`zap`	`I can understand them`
`07:28.05`	`zap`	`lzma sources are a big mess`
`07:28.51`	`qwerty13`	`Alas, I need it though :(. module-assistant keeps building me modules with lzma symbols undefined which makes it useless :/`
`07:28.51`	`qwerty13`	`But for every person that starts comparing the tablet to an iPhone, point them to Aisu's iTablet and leave it there`
`07:30.24`	`tank-man`	`so thats what an iphone is? an app launcher? :)`
`07:30.54`	`qwerty13`	`Perhaps not, but why not piss them off as they piss us off :)`
`07:31.01`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I'll buy that.`
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`07:49.22`	`Jaffa`	`qwerty13: They don't piss /me/ off (well, as long as it's an intelligent discussion about the advantages of a mainstream portable computing device with a niche one)`
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`07:52.08`	`qwerty13`	`Jaffa: To me, there is too much of these Tablets V iPhone discussions. I don't think I've ever read one where anything has been achieved. After all, Nokia aren't going to be rushing overnight to make the tablet iPhone like. To me, they are just a pointless waste of time`
`07:52.34`	`mavhc`	`shouldn't it be being compared to an ipod touch?`
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`07:55.13`	`StsN800`	`yeah, thats more fair`
`07:56.53`	`mavhc`	`and looking at the price differences between touch models you see why there's no sd card slot offered, massive profits`
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`07:59.48`	`Jaffa`	`heads off on his Euro-roadtrip.`
`07:59.57`	`Jaffa`	`See (some of) y'all next week.`
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`08:27.19`	`StsN800`	`qwerty12, you know any intimacies of n80-s2ram?`
`08:28.28`	`coffee88`	`is the new wiki up and running? I just seem to get a blank page at http://wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page`
`08:29.10`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Reload`
`08:29.33`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Maybe force reload if it's in the cache.`
`08:29.44`	`coffee88`	`tried that a few times...`
`08:31.09`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Force reload`
`08:31.17`	`GeneralAntilles`	`add a shift or alt in there or something`
`08:31.44`	`coffee88`	`bingo. shift reload. thanks.`
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`08:39.04`	`StsN800`	`qwerty12, you know any intimacies of n800-s2ram?`
`08:39.28`	`qwerty12`	`StsN800: No, don't use it anymore because wakeup time is a little slow (for me anyway)`
`08:39.44`	`StsN800`	`k`
`08:40.25`	`StsN800`	`was wondering how it works technically but there is no src`
`08:41.00`	`qwerty12`	`Yeah, I searched for that to no avail. You may have seen my sneaky request to put it in extras-devel ;)`
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`08:45.20`	`coffee88`	`hmm. If I want to use the gnet libraries with OS2008 is it as simple as grabbing the source in scratchbox and building for both targets?`
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`08:52.23`	`StsN800`	`did anyone compile a swsusp kernel btw?`
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`09:50.33`	`Italodance`	`hey is xchat availavle for os2008?`
`09:50.57`	`Stskeeps`	`yes`
`09:51.01`	`Stskeeps`	`in extras.`
`09:51.07`	`qwerty12`	`extras-devel`
`09:51.31`	`Italodance`	`oh thank u :)`
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`10:15.37`	`Stskeeps`	`groans over system building`
`10:19.04`	`Stskeeps`	`building new deblet structure over scenario "nokia gets run over by a bus"`
`10:19.04`	`Stskeeps`	`:P`
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`10:20.11`	`qwerty12`	`~curse netgear`
`10:20.12`	`infobot`	`May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, netgear !`
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`10:20.54`	`Stskeeps`	`so if nokia decides to stop supporting devices, it's always possible to build a deblet system with a armel emulator`
`10:21.06`	`qwerty12`	`heh, that's cool`
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`10:21.26`	`qwerty12`	`imagines Stskeeps behind the wheel of a double decker`
`10:22.00`	`GAN800`	`Ha`
`10:22.14`	`GAN800`	`Filled with fertilizer?`
`10:22.19`	`GAN800`	`'run over'`
`10:22.27`	`qwerty12`	`hehe`
`10:28.59`	`Stskeeps`	`now for compiling the deblet xomap with rotation support... on my tablet`
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`10:29.36`	`Stskeeps`	`(or wait till my qemu armel box comes back up)`
`10:30.09`	`Stskeeps`	`qwerty12: you happen to know if rotation support was added to kernel btw permanently or it's still a patch?`
`10:31.21`	`GAN800`	`Stskeeps, you're asking whether it's in the official build? :P`
`10:31.28`	`GAN800`	`Pfft`
`10:32.10`	`Stskeeps`	`GAN800: yeah, basically`
`10:32.43`	`Stskeeps`	`and i assume that's as likely as pigs flying`
`10:33.08`	`GAN800`	`It may happen eventually, but not soon.`
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`11:00.20`	`RST38h`	`Sts: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3519`
`11:01.40`	`Stskeeps`	`RST38h: no bugzilla account`
`11:02.22`	`GAN800`	`http://`
`11:02.33`	`GAN800`	`and get one. . . .`
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`12:13.03`	`RST38h`	`http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/09/hulger-pappa-skype.jpg`
`12:13.33`	`RST38h`	`dead tree skype phon`
`12:13.35`	`RST38h`	`e`
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`12:14.17`	`lardman`	`afternoon all`
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`12:14.38`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Hey, lardman.`
`12:15.07`	`lardman`	`Hi GeneralAntilles`
`12:17.58`	`RST38h`	`moo lardman`
`12:21.17`	`lardman`	`hey RST38h`
`12:21.27`	`lardman`	`anything exciting happen over the weekend?`
`12:21.55`	`lardman`	`will have to bring a print out of his favourite maemo.org logo and pin it to his T-shirt`
`12:24.24`	`RST38h`	`lardman: well I figured out how to use fb0`
`12:24.48`	`RST38h`	`lardman: VGBA now runs at pretty much the real GBA speed in full screen mode (720x480)`
`12:25.21`	`RST38h`	`it will slow down if there are too many GBA video features used, but is otherwise very close to the real thing`
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`12:35.39`	`lcuk_busy`	`hi there lardman \o`
`12:35.55`	`Stskeeps`	`oh, neat, ts calibration is possible under debian \o/`
`12:40.51`	`lcuk_busy`	`Stskeeps, is that using the standard debian module or have you dragged across a maemo modeule`
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`12:46.05`	`Stskeeps`	`lcuk_busy: libts-bin, ts_calibrate - uses fb`
`12:46.12`	`Stskeeps`	`(debian)`
`12:46.26`	`lcuk_busy`	`nice indeed`
`12:46.36`	`lcuk_busy`	`are you comin to the summit?`
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`12:50.43`	`lardman`	`hi lcuk_busy, sorry got shoved off the computer for a bit there :)`
`12:51.08`	`lcuk_busy`	`no complains si, everything going well i hope?`
`12:51.18`	`lcuk_busy`	`t^`
`12:52.10`	`lardman`	`not bad, another busy weekend - wedding then a christening`
`12:52.13`	`lardman`	`you?`
`12:52.47`	`lcuk_busy`	`extremely busy, didnt think i would get the bit i wanted in place and spent a week faffing with a direction ive had to rollback on for now`
`12:52.50`	`Stskeeps`	`lcuk_busy: nop - think i'd be a little out of place with my deblet stuff :)`
`12:52.52`	`lardman`	`is just wondering if he can get to Berlin with just hand luggage`
`12:53.12`	`lardman`	`Was Jaffa coming by train? Did you see the channel tunnel fire news?`
`12:53.14`	`lcuk_busy`	`Stskeeps, its an eco system - come to the next one`
`12:53.24`	`lcuk_busy`	`yer i did, its thrown everything off`
`12:53.34`	`lcuk_busy`	`he said he was driving around numerous places`
`12:53.41`	`lcuk_busy`	`not sure if he got a ferry though`
`12:53.48`	`lardman`	`ok`
`12:53.55`	`Stskeeps`	`lcuk_busy: nod i was thinking about coming but my gf's expatriation to berlin (traineeship) got moved a month so`
`12:57.38`	`lcuk_busy`	`lardman, hes getting into germany via train, just greppin maemo.log to see if i can find the rest`
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`12:59.06`	`lcuk_busy`	`lardman, when are you arriving`
`12:59.12`	`lardman`	`um`
`12:59.16`	`lardman`	`thursday evening`
`12:59.53`	`lcuk_busy`	`heh, ill be there thursday dinner - hopefully by the time you arrive ill know where more are heading`
`13:01.20`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I swear this is a dupe: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3709`
`13:02.20`	`lardman`	`lcuk_busy: cool, where are you staying?`
`13:03.04`	`lcuk_busy`	`at some hotel about 40million lightyears away, by the time the linuxtag payment was sorted and our financials were dealt with here everywhere was full`
`13:04.16`	`lardman`	`so you were hoping for a blackhole to drift over from cern to get to the venue a bit quicker then?`
`13:04.45`	`lcuk_busy`	`not just hoping, it happened http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html`
`13:05.27`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Comment #1: http://www.mulliner.org/blog/blosxom.cgi/n770/iphone3gvsn810.writeback`
`13:05.29`	`GeneralAntilles`	`That's classic`
`13:05.38`	`lardman`	`lol`
`13:06.33`	`lcuk_busy`	`and to follow it up, the song which i thought of when lhc went live`
`13:06.34`	`lcuk_busy`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RthZgszykLs`
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`13:06.57`	`lcuk_busy`	`"this was a triumph, im making a note here, huge success."`
`13:07.24`	`lcuk_busy`	`i really expected to hear the song on the real news`
`13:08.23`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Portal? Psh`
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`13:08.28`	`GeneralAntilles`	`It's Half-Life all the way.`
`13:08.48`	`lcuk_busy`	`well yeah, when gordon gets his hands on the gun all bets are off`
`13:08.53`	`lcuk_busy`	`did you play the hacked up version?`
`13:09.01`	`lcuk_busy`	`ie portal gun in hl2`
`13:09.20`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I didn't play on a PC`
`13:09.25`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Steam can go die in a fire.`
`13:09.31`	`lcuk_busy`	`its for mac and xbox isnt it?`
`13:09.39`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Steam? For Mac?`
`13:09.41`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Hahahaha`
`13:09.42`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Clever`
`13:09.53`	`lcuk_busy`	`it works with wine then`
`13:10.01`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Valve hates OS X`
`13:10.13`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Wine is for Linux`
`13:10.17`	`lcuk_busy`	`i was sure it was out for mac, ahhh welll you miss out on the single greatest single user series`
`13:10.29`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I played Orange Box on the 360.`
`13:10.40`	`lcuk_busy`	`its not the same on a console`
`13:10.46`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Don't have to install any stupid DRM bullshit on my computer.`
`13:10.49`	`GeneralAntilles`	`It's the exact same content`
`13:11.02`	`lcuk_busy`	`cos you bought the stupid computer with the drm already in`
`13:11.15`	`lcuk_busy`	`"hello shopkeeper, can i have 3lbs of drm bullshit please"`
`13:11.20`	`lcuk_busy`	`"certainly, bend over"`
`13:11.41`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Last time I checked, I didn't have to dial in to the mothership to use my OS. ;)`
`13:11.53`	`lardman`	`congrats GeneralAntilles`
`13:12.18`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Goddamnit`
`13:12.32`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Do I at least get a cool shirt or something?`
`13:12.35`	`GeneralAntilles`	`How about a mousepad?`
`13:12.56`	`lardman`	`Official CIC sticker`
`13:13.24`	`lcuk_busy`	`get the man a gavel`
`13:13.44`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Can it be one of those kids toy gavels that squeak?`
`13:14.17`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Damn!`
`13:14.18`	`lardman`	`Probably wouldn't be allowed to take a wooden one on an aeroplane, so yes`
`13:14.18`	`lcuk_busy`	`no, this is serious business`
`13:14.20`	`GeneralAntilles`	`http://www.supercoolstuff.com/items/misc/pics/NV1337.jpg`
`13:14.21`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Those are hammers.`
`13:14.55`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Well, at least this now gives me free reign to chase your asses down when I need a response on something. ;)`
`13:14.57`	`lcuk_busy`	`they look more like lexx, which looks more other things`
`13:15.51`	`GeneralAntilles`	`A giant dragon fly?`
`13:17.05`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I like tim's outline: https://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council`
`13:17.59`	`lcuk_busy`	`can you make irc have a starred nickname and an automatic footnote when you are in the chan?`
`13:18.29`	`Stskeeps`	`GeneralAntilles: you got elected chair?`
`13:18.53`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Stskeeps, yeah, they'll soon learn to regret it, though. ;)`
`13:19.03`	`Stskeeps`	`GeneralAntilles: i was just about to say ;>`
`13:19.04`	`lcuk_busy`	`GeneralVader`
`13:19.07`	`lardman`	`Indeed, /me wonders what he's done! ;)`
`13:19.38`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I'm gonna have X-Fade setup an autodialer at the ISP.`
`13:19.53`	`GeneralAntilles`	`It's gonna call you and recite emails at you whenever I send them to -community.`
`13:20.23`	`Stskeeps`	`would any of you be interested in an account on a debian armel qemu buildbox btw? i'm setting one up atm`
`13:20.34`	`lcuk_busy`	`GeneralAntilles, im surprised you have not been weighing up cochlear implants`
`13:20.41`	`lcuk_busy`	`for all council members`
`13:20.59`	`lardman`	`some remote electic shock pads more likely ;)`
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`13:21.04`	`lardman`	`keep us in line :)`
`13:21.13`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I might just adapt the maemo.org team neck-band tasers to send Morse code.`
`13:21.18`	`lcuk_busy`	`whats this "us" - you are on the fluffin council`
`13:21.24`	`lcuk_busy`	`runs`
`13:21.28`	`RST38h`	`and make sure those pads are connected to a midi sequencer`
`13:21.53`	`lardman`	`lcuk_busy: yeah, well we're supposed to keep you lot in line, and the General keeps us in line :)`
`13:22.03`	`lcuk_busy`	`thats good then`
`13:22.06`	`lcuk_busy`	`gets popcorn`
`13:22.07`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Shit flows downhill.`
`13:22.33`	`lcuk_busy`	`and the general has just eaten 5kgs of tacobells finest`
`13:25.40`	`lardman`	`is bored of presentation writing`
`13:25.43`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Is it too much if I change my signature? :P`
`13:26.03`	`lardman`	`GeneralAntilles: On ITT?`
`13:26.07`	`lardman`	`Go for it :)`
`13:26.23`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Mailing list for now`
`13:26.29`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I haven't decided on itT yet.`
`13:26.48`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I don't want to have to behave over there just yet. . . . :(`
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`13:30.29`	`lcuk_busy`	`when i get to the summit with my laptop - do i do anything special to get it working on the projector - or will it be at some silly resolution or something?`
`13:30.42`	`lcuk_busy`	`or do i just plug it in just like an external monitor?`
`13:30.48`	`lardman_`	`bring a spare goat`
`13:30.51`	`GeneralAntilles`	`You should be able to just plug it in.`
`13:30.58`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I can't guarantee anything with Windows, though.`
`13:31.09`	`lcuk_busy`	`its ubuntu`
`13:31.14`	`lcuk_busy`	`:)`
`13:31.16`	`housetier`	`I hope we will have a pc setup for presentations so we won't have to replug the laptops`
`13:31.28`	`housetier`	`it never works right out of the box`
`13:31.45`	`lcuk_busy`	`housetier, :) hi again, i hope you get one as well`
`13:32.00`	`housetier`	`one per projector`
`13:32.23`	`housetier`	`we switch speakers but not the hardware`
`13:32.38`	`lcuk_busy`	`did you get anywhere with an overhead closeup cam?`
`13:33.29`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Mount a webcam on an a-frame?`
`13:33.37`	`housetier`	`we can mount the camera on a drill stand`
`13:34.04`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Even better`
`13:34.12`	`lcuk_busy`	`7nice! thats the linux way - improvisation`
`13:34.13`	`housetier`	`looks akward but is stable`
`13:34.42`	`lcuk_busy`	`if you dont have a device to test with, just put your phone down and see if it can focus on the screen`
`13:34.55`	`lcuk_busy`	`i normally ended up using the macro mode on my camera to get it in focus`
`13:35.39`	`GeneralAntilles`	`isn't feeling very inspired for an announcement.`
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`13:39.09`	`jonek`	`hi, I created a DUMMY network in diablo, but it doesn't show up, when I scan for networks - what could be the problem?`
`13:39.19`	`GeneralAntilles`	`jonek, did you read the bug?`
`13:39.23`	`GeneralAntilles`	`~bluetooth-pan`
`13:39.24`	`infobot`	`it has been said that bluetooth-pan is http://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_PAN`
`13:39.31`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Actually, that has the same details.`
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`13:40.56`	`jonek`	`yes I have seen that bug, but from what I understand that is only a problem when using PAN with a mobile. I want to use PAN networking via my desktop computer and I managed to get it working yesterday`
`13:41.15`	`jonek`	`but today a simple DUMMY doesn't show up again`
`13:41.20`	`GeneralAntilles`	`You misunderstood`
`13:41.27`	`jonek`	`oh`
`13:41.28`	`GeneralAntilles`	`It doesn't have anything to do with what you're using it with.`
`13:41.45`	`GeneralAntilles`	`You need a working DUMMY module to see the network from the connection list.`
`13:41.53`	`jonek`	`I know`
`13:41.53`	`lcuk`	`fell out`
`13:42.00`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Which should be solved by installing the latest maemo-pan.`
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`13:42.36`	`jonek`	`hu? waht does maemo-pan have to do with DUMMY networks?`
`13:42.54`	`GeneralAntilles`	`PAN connectivity is achieved through the GUI through a DUMMY network.`
`13:43.06`	`jonek`	`yes`
`13:43.17`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Hrm, bergie for the voting software, dneary for coordination, Jaffa for the idea, who am I forgetting to thank?`
`13:43.44`	`jonek`	`but I use tablets for a long time and DUMMY networks have never been a problem till I updated to diablo recently`
`13:44.04`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Right, it's a bug in Diablo.`
`13:44.11`	`GeneralAntilles`	`~bluetooth-pan`
`13:44.12`	`infobot`	`it has been said that bluetooth-pan is http://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_PAN`
`13:44.13`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Read it.`
`13:44.18`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Then read the bug that's linked from it.`
`13:44.23`	`jonek`	`ok thx`
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`13:51.11`	`Jaffa`	`has made it... all the way to Folkestone.`
`13:52.18`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Drive?`
`13:53.11`	`Jaffa`	`Yup. Mother-in-law, Mrs Jaffa and Jaffa Jr. have gone out to see grandparents; notionally so I can work on my presentation.`
`13:53.23`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Hehe`
`14:00.30`	`lcuk`	`jaffa, any problems traffic wise due to the chunnel closure? is it gonna be busier on the ferry`
`14:00.51`	`RST38h`	`wonders if his tablet will survive this`
`14:01.08`	`GeneralAntilles`	`lol, Jaffa, you editing?`
`14:01.17`	`GeneralAntilles`	`All of a sudden the formatting changed drastically`
`14:01.19`	`GeneralAntilles`	`freaked me out`
`14:01.30`	`Jaffa`	`lcuk: M20 was clear all the way down. Tunnel's still closed to prviate traffic so ferry's will be busier. Pre-booked ferry tickets are being guaranteed, though. We're also going Dover -> Dunkirk rather than -> Calais`
`14:01.56`	`Jaffa`	`GeneralAntilles: all I did was remove a superfluous "d" from "involve" in the last line. I noticed the sudden jump too - thought it was you ;-)`
`14:02.05`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Nope, weird.`
`14:02.17`	`lcuk`	`fair enough, me n simon were a big concerned earlier - couldnt remember how you were plannin to go :) thankfully i dug in the logs and found your roadtrip plans :P`
`14:02.38`	`lardman_`	`hi Jaffa`
`14:03.54`	`lcuk`	`how can i get an openoffice presentation displaying videos?`
`14:04.13`	`lardman_`	`heads out to do some food shopping`
`14:04.47`	`lcuk`	`lardman\|out, its not really "shopping" if you ask the butcher for 12lbs of bacon`
`14:04.50`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Anybody know how to do links in midgard?`
`14:04.53`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Just normal HTML?`
`14:05.14`	`lardman\|out`	`lcuk: need bread too to make the sandwiches :p`
`14:05.15`	`lardman\|out`	`bbl`
`14:05.34`	`lcuk`	`lol`
`14:06.06`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Mmm bacon`
`14:06.17`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I had too much fatty food to eat yesterday`
`14:06.28`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Bacon in the morning, left over fried chicken for lunch and a burger for dinner.`
`14:07.07`	`Jaffa`	`lcuk: I dunno how to do videos, I know I'm fiddling with it to get the right layout. Almost would prefer PowerPoint.`
`14:07.10`	`lcuk`	`\@/ right, bbiab i have to ring the missus - tell her to get bacon`
`14:07.34`	`GeneralAntilles`	`PowerPoint may suck, but at least it's predictable.`
`14:07.52`	`lcuk`	`well i really dont need a projector cos everything i do is live, but as a backup i need a few short videos and would want em controlled by presentation software`
`14:08.03`	`lcuk`	`need a presentation^`
`14:09.49`	`Jaffa`	`lcuk: Live demo of tablet-encode and mediaserv, I think. But demoing mud's a bit tricky`
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`14:14.29`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Alright, Jaffa, check that over.`
`14:15.39`	`lcuk`	`what are you editing? top secret evil overlord wiki document?`
`14:15.47`	`Jaffa`	`yes`
`14:15.59`	`lcuk`	`heh`
`14:16.01`	`Jaffa`	`<h1>What are we going to tonight, Brain?</h1>`
`14:16.58`	`GeneralAntilles`	`First announcement for the blog.`
`14:17.07`	`lcuk`	`top banana`
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`14:18.57`	`Jaffa`	`GeneralAntilles: made a few minor punctuation changes, otherwise looks fine.`
`14:19.29`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Alright, submitting.`
`14:19.42`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Ideas for a title?`
`14:19.51`	`GeneralAntilles`	`"Hello and welcome from the new Maemo Community Council!" sounds a little lame`
`14:22.24`	`Jaffa`	`s/and welcome// sounds a bit better`
`14:22.28`	`lcuk`	`"BOW DOWN BEFORE US"`
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`14:22.37`	`Jaffa`	`"KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!"`
`14:22.40`	`Jaffa`	`cough`
`14:22.43`	`lcuk`	`lol`
`14:22.49`	`Jaffa`	`GeneralAntilles: "Introducing the new ..." ?`
`14:22.57`	`lcuk`	`"all your base are belong to us"`
`14:23.00`	`Jaffa`	`Oh, should have a ref to the council talk at the summit`
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`14:23.28`	`lopz`	`hola`
`14:24.04`	`GeneralAntilles`	`"Introducing the new Maemo Community Council"`
`14:24.06`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Hi, lopz.`
`14:24.15`	`lcuk`	`im glad im still able to laugh, ive still got a mountain to climb if i want everything finished`
`14:24.29`	`lcuk`	`GeneralAntilles, what happened to the old maemo council`
`14:24.39`	`GeneralAntilles`	`We ate them.`
`14:24.52`	`lcuk`	`damn those bacon sprinkles`
`14:24.57`	`lcuk`	`they make anything edible`
`14:25.48`	`lcuk`	`another tour operator has gone bust - best pack extra pants - it might end up being a longer germany trip`
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`14:30.08`	`Italodance`	`hey guys what's this new app sayhoo_0.0-test-20090912.1_all.deb ?`
`14:30.45`	`Jaffa`	`GeneralAntilles: added a summit bit`
`14:32.15`	`GeneralAntilles`	`eurgh`
`14:32.19`	`GeneralAntilles`	`It's got no formatting. . . .`
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`14:33.31`	`Italodance`	`sayhoo?`
`14:34.14`	`Italodance`	`oh i got it`
`14:44.00`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Man, midgard mutilates that thing when you hit submit`
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`14:47.29`	`sp3000`	`I guess that's what you're submitting it to`
`14:47.40`	`sp3000`	`maybe it says in the fine print ;)`
`14:49.10`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Wish it had a preview. . . .`
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`14:51.25`	`Jaffa`	`Where's bergie to defend it?`
`14:54.35`	`GeneralAntilles`	`lol`
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`15:29.59`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I wonder if we can get authors for the Council blog. . . .`
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`15:30.11`	`Jaffa`	`GeneralAntilles: would be good`
`15:30.29`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Hi, konttori.`
`15:30.35`	`konttori`	`hi`
`15:30.40`	`lcuk`	`invent a time machine and get shakespeare to blog for you. that would be a coup`
`15:31.53`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Haaaaarrrrr`
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`15:33.01`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Poor Tim is suffering.`
`15:33.49`	`lcuk`	`you think thats suffering? just wait until the mail system catches up and floods him with 3499282373 new mails by sending him the entire archive multiple times ;)`
`15:34.07`	`Jaffa`	`heh`
`15:38.15`	`lcuk`	`GeneralAntilles, the blog authors thing, im quite certain its only available as "by riff-raff" or "by your esteemed, prestigious master of the realms Ryan "the guv'ner" Abel"`
`15:38.32`	`Jaffa`	`lcuk: snappish (see -community ;-))`
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`15:39.21`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I wanna be Spaghetti`
`15:39.29`	`lcuk`	`jaffa, i know i read - the mailing list software doesnt like him`
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`15:40.28`	`Jaffa`	`Hmm, lot of people at the conference and going to be English speakers as primary language. Should probably avoid, therefore, the words "Maemoify" or "Maemoificate" (probably also trademark violations ;-))`
`15:40.40`	`Jaffa`	`s/and/aren't/`
`15:40.55`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Ha`
`15:41.10`	`GeneralAntilles`	`"Bonasera . . . Bonasera . . ."`
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`15:45.21`	`lcuk`	`maemoify: verb: (third-person singular simple present maemifies, present participle maemifying, simple past and past participle maemified)`
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`15:45.45`	`GeneralAntilles`	`wiktionary it`
`15:45.48`	`GeneralAntilles`	`then it'll be official.`
`15:47.03`	`lcuk`	`maemify is not using the whole maemo thing - would it be allowed?`
`15:47.33`	`Jaffa`	`heh`
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`16:06.33`	`Jaffa`	`Arse. Just remembered I was supposed to put the meat in the oven. I was going to put it in later, so it's less like the leather we usually have at my in-laws, but nearly 40 minutes late might be pushing it.`
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`16:56.45`	`Jaffa`	`GeneralAntilles: hmm, new council post doesn't seem to have been syndicated to /news/ yet`
`16:57.17`	`GeneralAntilles`	`The RSS feed is listed in the Planet list`
`16:57.23`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Hasn't updated yet or something`
`16:57.33`	`Jaffa`	`Fairy nuff`
`16:57.58`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Actually, I think I have admin access now and could probably fix it`
`16:58.13`	`GeneralAntilles`	`but asgard scared the pants off me when I poked around in there this morning.`
`16:59.24`	`Jaffa`	`heh`
`17:02.08`	`lcuk`	`GeneralAntilles, you are important now, you shouldnt be poking anywhere, take an ensign with you (preferably one with a red maemo tshirt ;)`
`17:02.50`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Do I get to make it with the alien chicks?`
`17:03.01`	`lcuk`	`only the green ones`
`17:03.24`	`Jaffa`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:03.33`	`lcuk`	`or those lacking in common sense and having low moral fibre`
`17:03.37`	`lcuk`	`PMSL!`
`17:03.38`	`GAN800`	`Ha`
`17:03.57`	`GAN800`	`I've been rewatching Voyager, too. . . .`
`17:04.18`	`lcuk`	`you know how well the maemo ship is runnin by how perfect his hair looks`
`17:04.18`	`GAN800`	`Staple of my childhood that.`
`17:04.30`	`lcuk`	`you know you are in for a shit day when it looks like windy wednesday`
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`17:06.10`	`Jaffa`	`Childhood? Eek, I feel old. TNG was the staple of my childhood.`
`17:06.48`	`lcuk`	`thank god you arent a fossil ;) my mum likes to tell me stories from tos`
`17:07.45`	`mavhc`	`REwatching voyager? what's wrong with your brain?`
`17:08.02`	`GAN800`	`Frasier and Voyager, that was middle school.`
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`17:08.21`	`Jaffa`	`has seen one or two recently; weren't that bad first time round, second time a bit meh`
`17:08.28`	`GAN800`	`mavhc, maybe nastalgia`
`17:08.36`	`Jaffa`	`'s been rewatching Frasiers PVRed off C4 in a morning`
`17:08.41`	`GAN800`	`I like them, though.`
`17:08.48`	`mavhc`	`is that nasty things from your childhood?`
`17:09.06`	`Jaffa`	`heh`
`17:09.35`	`GAN800`	`Better than the new Enterprise, anyway.`
`17:10.24`	`mavhc`	`enterprise only exists to make voyager look like shakespeare in comparison`
`17:11.01`	`GAN800`	`is really not a Star Trek geek.`
`17:11.15`	`GAN800`	`As you might guess by my nick. ;)`
`17:11.55`	`mavhc`	`we might be able to if we were a blank geek`
`17:13.03`	`GeneralAntilles`	`.`
`17:13.06`	`GAN800`	`^ that guy`
`17:13.17`	`Jaffa`	`Last season of Enterprise wasn't too bad.`
`17:13.35`	`mavhc`	`compared with good shows, or the previous 3 seasons?`
`17:13.40`	`GeneralAntilles`	`It's too bad the writing was so terrible.`
`17:13.49`	`GeneralAntilles`	`The cast wasn't bad`
`17:14.01`	`GeneralAntilles`	`effects were pretty and the sets were well made`
`17:14.12`	`mavhc`	`had no money left for writers`
`17:14.36`	`GeneralAntilles`	`But then they had to go and do decontamination room sex scenes with the Vulcan`
`17:15.01`	`mavhc`	`I liked it when the changed the theme song, yeah, because that's the main problem with the show`
`17:15.11`	`mavhc`	`and the name`
`17:15.13`	`Jaffa`	`mavhc: in comparison with the previous 3 seasons`
`17:15.32`	`mavhc`	`exactly`
`17:15.37`	`Jaffa`	`Joy: my Map app's started segfaulting now I've put the german maps on it`
`17:17.08`	`GeneralAntilles`	`At start or in use?`
`17:20.03`	`Jaffa`	`Startup. Window opens, then closes.`
`17:20.15`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Map database is corrupt`
`17:20.21`	`Jaffa`	`Grr`
`17:20.25`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Delete it from mmc2 and redownload`
`17:21.17`	`GeneralAntilles`	`It has such sadly reproducible bugs that even somebody who hasn't used the damn thing for more than 5 minutes can diagnose them. . . .`
`17:21.48`	`Jaffa`	`Amazed that they expect anyone to pay for such a piece of shit.`
`17:22.08`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Yeah, it's fairly impressive.`
`17:22.17`	`GeneralAntilles`	`The wonders of contract work, I guess.`
`17:23.17`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Just be glad the Euro maps don't total out over 700MB. ;)`
`17:23.46`	`Jaffa`	`Eugh, /media/mmc2's gone read only fs. Looks like a brand new corruption`
`17:23.57`	`GAN800`	`Ha`
`17:24.04`	`GAN800`	`FAT needs to die.`
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`17:24.36`	`Proteous`	`noooooo`
`17:24.41`	`Proteous`	`fat is tasty`
`17:25.03`	`Proteous`	`it's geneticly breed into us`
`17:25.16`	`Proteous`	`goos energy source`
`17:25.17`	`GAN800`	`Proteous now officially joins lcuk as the new channel fatty.`
`17:25.22`	`Proteous`	`er, good`
`17:25.50`	`lcuk`	`pardon?`
`17:25.51`	`Proteous`	`I said I like eating fat, not that I am fat`
`17:25.57`	`GAN800`	`Ahaha`
`17:26.06`	`lcuk`	`is skinny`
`17:26.19`	`GAN800`	`You don't need to be fat to be a fatty.`
`17:26.21`	`lcuk`	`is also stressed`
`17:26.27`	`Proteous`	`heh`
`17:27.07`	`lcuk`	`i just found out that images are not being put through the cliprect mangler - so they are escaping their boundaries and drawing all over stuff i need them not to`
`17:27.12`	`Proteous`	`reminds lcuk about his deadlines to stress him more`
`17:27.38`	`lcuk`	`oh ive got enough to be comfortable, i just want the next stage in :)`
`17:27.44`	`GAN800`	`lcuk, just remember, if you don't deliver the liqbase goods, we take your bacon.`
`17:27.51`	`Proteous`	`noooooo`
`17:27.57`	`Proteous`	`so cruel`
`17:27.58`	`lcuk`	`has plenty of bacon to give, believe me..`
`17:28.18`	`lcuk`	`laughs evily`
`17:28.20`	`GAN800`	`lcuk has all the bacon`
`17:28.21`	`Proteous`	`heh`
`17:28.30`	`lcuk`	mk_style.c:87: ERROR : `imgknob' undeclared (first use in this function)
`17:28.35`	`lcuk`	`balls`
`17:28.47`	`Proteous`	`all your bacon is belong to lcuk`
`17:28.58`	`lcuk`	`there is no way i am searching google for images of knobs`
`17:29.10`	`lcuk`	`but i need one!`
`17:29.57`	`lcuk`	`i want a nice shiny png knob`
`17:30.29`	`Proteous`	`damn knobgoblers`
`17:31.12`	`Jaffa`	`lcuk: "dial control" turns up some promising ones`
`17:31.25`	`Jaffa`	`Also, try sxc.hu and run it through Inkscape's trace bitmap feature`
`17:31.30`	`lcuk`	`heh - i just searched GIS and clicked "extra large". (i must have high quality large knobs) my confidence in GIS is so far holding up (barring a ocuple)`
`17:31.45`	`Proteous`	`how about "BIG KNOB OF DEATH"`
`17:32.00`	`lcuk`	`i wanted it throbbing initially`
`17:32.08`	`Proteous`	`...`
`17:32.16`	`lcuk`	`but i couldnt bring myself to code it in`
`17:33.13`	`lcuk`	`Jaffa, its not a dial i want, its a knob for a slider - you have to be able to grab it and move it up and down`
`17:33.43`	`Proteous`	`...`
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`17:34.15`	`Jaffa`	`lcuk: ah. draw one?`
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`17:34.30`	`lcuk`	`ITS NOT MY FAULT THE TERMS HAVE BEEN MISUSED FOR OTHER THINGS!`
`17:35.02`	`Proteous`	`heh`
`17:36.51`	`Proteous`	`just loaded up reddit.com and the is a big bacon.reddit.com ad on the side`
`17:37.16`	`Proteous`	`now I am hungry Ã:/`
`17:37.38`	`lcuk`	`bacon.reddit is the site of perfection. i browse there lots and come away feeling hungry every single time`
`17:37.49`	`lcuk`	`its like a drug`
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`17:46.25`	`lardman`	`lcuk: enough!`
`17:47.07`	`lardman`	`;)`
`17:49.41`	`lcuk`	`sorry, just got roped into carving the pork joint, back later`
`17:50.37`	`RST38h`	`umgh`
`17:51.41`	`RST38h`	`lcuk: BTW, transfer-with-scaling screws up the desktop in window mode`
`17:51.42`	`Stskeeps`	`gah.. xserver-omap doesn't compile with standard debian packages ¤"¤`
`17:51.56`	`RST38h`	`Don't try: you will have to reboot or ssh from outside to fix it somehow`
`17:52.01`	`Stskeeps`	`(it tells me after 7 hours of compiling.)`
`17:54.55`	`lcuk`	`RST38h, for me its fine, i just have to remember to lower the scaled resolution because the factors are a bit off and an 800*480 displayed scaled into a window looks like cack`
`18:07.00`	`jott`	`RST38h: you could switch to another vt.`
`18:07.19`	`jott`	`RST38h: just make sure you will return to the x11 vt when exiting (crashing :)`
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`18:08.42`	`GAN800`	`I love the guys on itT to come in to tell everybody what terrible social skills they have when some idiot overreacts to a harmless comment.`
`18:09.34`	`RST38h`	`lcuk: My guess is you are using a different bit plane (YUV)`
`18:10.02`	`RST38h`	`GAN: Try Slashdot then! You will like it much MUCH more =)`
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`18:10.35`	`GAN800`	`I only browse at -1`
`18:10.45`	`RST38h`	`lcuk: 'cause it is a different device (fb1 or fb2)`
`18:10.50`	`GAN800`	`It's a whole different world.`
`18:10.51`	`jott`	`RST38h: or you could just do a full 1:1 blit on exit ..`
`18:10.52`	`Stskeeps`	`GAN800: since you talk about xorg and fremantle.. do you happen to know if they released any xorg package for this yet?`
`18:11.07`	`GAN800`	`Stskeeps, not a clue.`
`18:11.14`	`RST38h`	`GAN: Does not matter - their system of values is incompatible with normal humans anyway`
`18:11.28`	`RST38h`	`jott: It ismore complicated than that`
`18:11.38`	`GAN800`	`Ha`
`18:11.45`	`jott`	`RST38h: how so?`
`18:12.10`	`RST38h`	`jott: Looks like the scale factor is some persistent setting. Once you blit with scaling configured, it continues blitting the desktop imagery with the same setting`
`18:12.30`	`RST38h`	`GAN: Like somebody said, "Eager but very dull"`
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`18:12.57`	`RST38h`	`jott: Going from full screen to windowed mode seems to kill that off though`
`18:13.16`	`jott`	`RST38h: ugh, yeah that's why i thought about switching vt :)`
`18:13.51`	`RST38h`	`jott: Yea, but how the hell do I switch vt on the tablet? =)`
`18:13.57`	`jott`	`Stskeeps: have you looked at freedesktop.org gits for omapfb support?`
`18:13.59`	`jott`	`RST38h: ioctl`
`18:14.05`	`RST38h`	`jott: Oh.`
`18:14.12`	`Stskeeps`	`jott: hmm, no, but i just found a hint that made me go in that direction`
`18:14.22`	`RST38h`	`asked in terms of a key combination :)`
`18:14.26`	`jott`	`Stskeeps: yeah bugtracker :)`
`18:14.49`	`jott`	`RST38h: heh.. no you can do it via ioctl. don't know it on top of my head. but should be fairly simple to find out ;)`
`18:15.14`	`RST38h`	`jott: I decided to abstain from using this stuff in windowed mode for now`
`18:15.20`	`jott`	`RST38h: directfb uses this for example`
`18:15.38`	`jott`	`yeah in windowed mode this does not work out that well :`
`18:15.43`	`RST38h`	`jott: looks like more trouble than help... although may want to try 1:1 windowed blitting later tonight`
`18:16.21`	`jott`	`Stskeeps: just wondered if they push something upstream..`
`18:17.07`	`Stskeeps`	`jott: i decided that after 7 hours in company with xserver-omap compilation, that there has to be a better way :P`
`18:17.38`	`jott`	`Stskeeps: heh. you could always use plain fb driver and loose some features :)`
`18:17.50`	`jott`	`and update speed :P`
`18:19.09`	`Stskeeps`	`http://www.linux.onarm.com/gitweb/?p=n8x0/source/xf86-video-fbdev-omap.git;a=summary looks interesting`
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`18:19.39`	`Stskeeps`	`(non-nokia)`
`18:22.18`	`kulve`	`it's only stubs still`
`18:22.51`	`Stskeeps`	`thought that would wake you :P`
`18:23.12`	`jott`	`yeah, looks very early in development ;)`
`18:23.34`	`kulve`	`"somebody" should copy stuff from Xomap there..`
`18:25.30`	`RST38h`	`xf86 for n8x0?`
`18:25.42`	`kulve`	`X.Org`
`18:25.51`	`jott`	`xfree86 :)`
`18:26.09`	`RST38h`	`they should have dropped 86 long time ago...`
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`18:29.58`	`jott`	`and while they are at it drop the x11 architecture?`
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`18:35.16`	`GAN800`	`Damnit, tim wants photo and bio? <_<`
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`18:36.15`	`Stskeeps`	`there goes the reelection?`
`18:36.29`	`GAN800`	`Hehe`
`18:37.49`	`GAN800`	`I've got, maybe, 3 pictures I might find acceptable in general, but none of them for a big projector behind a stage.`
`18:39.35`	`jott`	`GAN800: photoshop/gimp to the rescue? :)`
`18:39.54`	`mavhc`	`just steal someone's photo from imdb`
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`18:40.34`	`GAN800`	`Probably not`
`18:41.13`	`jott`	`GAN800: http://lukoagency.free.fr/images/David%20Ankrum/David.jpg ? :P`
`18:41.14`	`GAN800`	`Maybe I should just go with the retarded dialation sun glasses pic and forget it.`
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`18:41.48`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Hehe`
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`19:04.59`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Somebody remind me why the profile uses "The company that hires you" instead of "Employer"`
`19:06.38`	`derf`	`Fives times as many words is five times as good.`
`19:07.43`	`GAN800`	`Clearly`
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`19:11.27`	`hpg101`	`hi all. i need the Perl DBD::SQLite module for my n800 running Diablo. i've found DBI, but not yet the SQLite driver. Any suggestions?`
`19:13.01`	`MangoFusion`	`not on cpan?`
`19:14.16`	`hpg101`	`there's a dynamically loaded .so file, so would need a compiler`
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`19:15.20`	`jrayhawk`	`Debian will make your life a lot easier.`
`19:16.06`	`Stskeeps`	`until you start writing packages, and then you want to stab yourself with your stylus`
`19:16.47`	`jrayhawk`	`Policy saves time in the long run, but yeah, not something to do for fun.`
`19:18.51`	`Stskeeps`	`jrayhawk: i've been using my weekend on converting deblet dpkg-deb --build'd packages into real debian packages.. and converting OSS maemo packages into Debian compatible ones`
`19:19.16`	`Stskeeps`	`right now i'm beating my head over how old some of these methods are, compared to new autoconf etc`
`19:19.30`	`jrayhawk`	`hee hee`
`19:20.01`	`Stskeeps`	`i swear, sometimes it does help being a bit autistic when dealing with this stuff :P`
`19:22.38`	`Stskeeps`	`meh "low priority getting dropbox to work on arm"`
`19:22.38`	`jrayhawk`	`Is there a long term-effort towards Debian repository compatibility for maemo?`
`19:23.09`	`Stskeeps`	`no, but i do one for the deblet project where it can't be avoided having to use -some- maemo packages`
`19:23.13`	`jrayhawk`	`I'm just noticing that there's a huge duplication of packaging effort around here`
`19:23.24`	`Stskeeps`	`also most maemo ports are hildonizations`
`19:23.42`	`jrayhawk`	`Yeah, but things like libraries and such.`
`19:23.59`	`Stskeeps`	`well, maybe fremantle helps things`
`19:23.59`	`Stskeeps`	`:P`
`19:24.11`	`Stskeeps`	`decided to stop waiting and develop the debian platform instead`
`19:25.03`	`Stskeeps`	`as there's been leaps of usability the last months`
`19:26.47`	`jrayhawk`	`I'm currently debating with whether or not I want to continue the debian-chroot-on-maemo approach or if I should just give up and ditch maemo. It'd save me a lot of time if maemo were planning on just doing the right thing in 6-12 months anyway.`
`19:27.24`	`Stskeeps`	`we'll see after summit :P`
`19:28.47`	`Stskeeps`	`debian on tablets still need some more power saving stuff but atleast we aren't using extreme wifi power anymore`
`19:28.58`	`Stskeeps`	`.. and we're able to go into deep sleep`
`19:29.03`	`RST38h`	`But do you get wifi in Debian? And does it still run Maemo apps?`
`19:29.21`	`jrayhawk`	`I doubt hildon stuff would survive, no.`
`19:29.22`	`Stskeeps`	`RST38h: we have wifi`
`19:29.42`	`Stskeeps`	`RST38h: and i'm wondering if chroot maemo is possible ;)`
`19:29.59`	`jrayhawk`	`Ha ha ha, I could run all the hildon crap in Xephyr`
`19:30.47`	`Stskeeps`	`or just on another Xomap display :P`
`19:34.11`	`RST38h`	`sts: !`
`19:34.39`	`RST38h`	`hey, don't badmouth hildon! Surprisingly, I think it is better than running desktop stuff on such a small screen`
`19:35.01`	`Stskeeps`	`i like hildon but i dont like the underlying system`
`19:35.20`	`Stskeeps`	`and hildon libs could have been done otherwise, making ports easier`
`19:36.25`	`mavhc`	`do you really want ports of linux stuff using 93% of your ram though?`
`19:36.51`	`jrayhawk`	`I've run Debian on systems with 32 megs.`
`19:37.19`	`jrayhawk`	`Trust me when I say that Nokia hardware is perfectly adequate for general purpose usage.`
`19:38.04`	`Stskeeps`	`mavhc: one of my pet peeves are the stuff in gtkmm for instance. that attributes on widgets are changed from set_some_name(key,value) to set_attribute(key, value) for instance.. that breaks 99% of all apps`
`19:38.20`	`Stskeeps`	`(not exact method names)`
`19:38.24`	`jrayhawk`	`Actually, given that I'd be ditching all of the resident Hildon stuff, I'd actually be saving memory.`
`19:38.54`	`Stskeeps`	`and i'm willing to bet that there's a preprocessor thing to take set_#(value) to set("#", value)`
`19:39.37`	`RST38h`	`ran FreeBSD on a system with 8MB RAM. With X11. And compiled stuff there.`
`19:39.48`	`RST38h`	`Does not mean a thing: depends on the applications you are going to run`
`19:40.10`	`jrayhawk`	`That's the spirit.`
`19:40.18`	`Stskeeps`	`i miss my 50mhz machine with a yellow heart glued on it a girl gave me :P`
`19:40.50`	`jrayhawk`	`Is a 50MHz machine a gesture of love or a gesture of hatred?`
`19:40.59`	`RST38h`	`Well, spirit or no spirit, face it: you will not run FireFox on this machine. Or XChat. Or Gnumeric. Or GNOME.`
`19:41.01`	`Stskeeps`	`kernel compiles were a drag`
`19:41.10`	`Stskeeps`	`RST38h: Xchat runs.. :P`
`19:41.27`	`jrayhawk`	`Gnome is the only thing I'm seeing as having trouble, though even that would still fit.`
`19:41.30`	`RST38h`	`and is usable? =)`
`19:41.55`	`Stskeeps`	`if they'd make h-i-m work in some of their dialog boxes, sure`
`19:41.56`	`jrayhawk`	`GNOME and Firefox would probably be a swap-thrashing nightmare...`
`19:42.03`	`Stskeeps`	`jrayhawk: gnome was actually astonishingly quick on deblet`
`19:42.19`	`Stskeeps`	`ofcourse some of the apps associated were not`
`19:42.24`	`Stskeeps`	`but the ui itself`
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`19:43.37`	`Stskeeps`	`it isn't a horridly slow machine we're dealing with :P`
`19:44.30`	`jrayhawk`	`Word.`
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`19:45.15`	`Stskeeps`	`plays around with his lxde install`
`19:45.39`	`Jaffa`	`unspods for the second leg of his Euro roadtrip.`
`19:45.49`	`mavhc`	`just crappy apps written to expect 512MB of ram to be lying around so they don't need to optimise anything don't port well`
`19:45.57`	`Jaffa`	`All to entertain the few; the huddled masses; the eager tabletistas`
`19:46.35`	`jrayhawk`	`Are you following Emdebian's attempts to allow for a customization of the base system, or are you making it up as you go?`
`19:47.11`	`Stskeeps`	`well, http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet , http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet/browser/trunk/packages`
`19:47.14`	`Stskeeps`	`what i'm working on right now`
`19:47.16`	`jrayhawk`	`Emdebian is (IIRC) aiming for inclusion in mainline, so it might make your life easier`
`19:47.29`	`Stskeeps`	`it's a MMC install, not a flash install`
`19:47.37`	`Stskeeps`	`but with tablet optimizations`
`19:47.51`	`Stskeeps`	`people run KDE, GNOME, LXDE, Matchbox.. etc`
`19:48.12`	`jrayhawk`	`Not a flash install?! Wuss!`
`19:48.50`	`Stskeeps`	`there's angstrom, manona and stuff like that for people who want that`
`19:49.05`	`jrayhawk`	`Okay, I guess I have a plan, now, at least.`
`19:49.12`	`Stskeeps`	`for me, a mmc install is just fine as it is`
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`19:51.51`	`Proteous`	`here is a question about morality, should I feel bad about logging into my neighbours unsecured wireless router and changing it's setting so it uses a different frequency range then the one I'm using?`
`19:52.16`	`Stskeeps`	`Proteous: well that you're saying it in a public channel which is logged..`
`19:52.21`	`Proteous`	`hehe`
`19:52.26`	`Stskeeps`	`and comes up in google quite often :)`
`19:52.32`	`Proteous`	`hears sirens outside`
`19:52.40`	`Proteous`	`hears the front door being kicked in`
`19:52.45`	`Proteous`	`hides under the bed`
`19:52.59`	`Proteous`	`I didn't say I did it`
`19:53.08`	`Proteous`	`just asked if I should feel bad`
`19:53.23`	`Proteous`	`I mean, who would do such a thing anyway`
`19:53.29`	`Proteous`	`someone with no morals`
`19:53.50`	`Stskeeps`	`and why not change your own frequency range? :P`
`19:54.20`	`Proteous`	`I tried that, thier router was set to hop to "clean" frequencys and it would always change to whatever I set my router too`
`19:54.21`	`mavhc`	`Proteous: what you should do is offer to secure it for them, you'll still know the password, so no other leechers can use it too`
`19:54.28`	`ShadowJK`	`first you need to put all your neighbours on channel 1 and channel 12 so that you've got the middle free for yourself`
`19:54.51`	`Proteous`	`heh`
`19:55.14`	`Stskeeps`	`jrayhawk: but anyway, if you're bored and want to spend time hacking solutions for running debian efficiently & power saving on the tablets, you're more than welcome to help out`
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`19:55.29`	`mavhc`	`does 11n do all that stuff automatically, change power, move frequencies?`
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`19:55.36`	`jrayhawk`	`Yeah, that's looking like the best solution, right now.`
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`20:07.14`	`konttori`	`Khertan: I just tested the cairoclock. Works perfectly. Thanks for putting it to extras!`
`20:07.24`	`konttori`	`I also promoted it to extras proper.`
`20:07.27`	`Chani`	`is there an imap client for the n810 that does threading n'stuff?`
`20:08.54`	`Chani`	`n/m, apparently there are kdepim packages somewhere :)`
`20:09.30`	`Mek`	`well, kmail isn't very usable yet :P`
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`20:12.06`	`Proteous`	`mavhc, yes`
`20:12.24`	`Proteous`	`well, unless you turn that off`
`20:12.42`	`Proteous`	`like maybe on your neighbours router...`
`20:13.05`	`Proteous`	`if you were a totaly amoral person`
`20:13.14`	`Proteous`	`totaly not like anyone here`
`20:13.31`	`Proteous`	`no one here would even think of doing anything like that`
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`20:21.13`	`Chani`	`Mek: what about mailody? since I wanna use imap...`
`20:21.37`	`Proteous`	`I want I want I want, what about other people`
`20:21.42`	`Proteous`	`THINK OF THE CHILDREN`
`20:21.56`	`Chani`	`hehe`
`20:24.33`	`Mek`	`Chani: haven't tried that yet... although I somehow doubt it will work well since it requires akonadi which I think only has a mysql backend for now (at least it would require quite some disk space for all the dependencies :) )`
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`20:26.05`	`Chani`	`oh.`
`20:26.21`	`Chani`	`yeah, uhm, I'm gonna be wanting akonadi-using apps on my n810`
`20:26.29`	`Chani`	`pim is pretty much all I use it for, after all`
`20:26.43`	`Chani`	`(if you include IM in pim)`
`20:27.03`	`Chani`	`so how can we make that work? :)`
`20:27.22`	`Mek`	`I might be completely wrong though. perhaps akonadi works very well... I don't think I have tried any akonadi based apps yet...`
`20:27.23`	`Stskeeps`	`why on .. earth does a pim storage service only have a mysql backend?`
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`20:29.53`	`Mek`	`because apparently both sqlite and mysql/embedded didn't support yet what the akonadi devs need (and why would they write more than 1 backend if it all is still in development)`
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`20:38.04`	`Mek`	`hmm... my mysql-server package is not even installable right now, I guess that is why akonadi-console didn't do anything :)`
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`20:48.05`	`RST38h`	`Anybody knows how to find absolute coordinates of the hildonwindow client area???`
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`20:59.24`	`Alystair`	`Odd development question, could I make the 770 browser work over bluetooth instead of wifi?`
`20:59.39`	`Stskeeps`	`PAN or DUN?`
`20:59.41`	`Alystair`	`eg. pair it up with a computer which is running apache`
`20:59.46`	`Alystair`	`not for external internet`
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`21:00.16`	`Alystair`	`Stskeeps: Huh what I'm not good at this :(`
`21:00.45`	`Stskeeps`	`Alystair: there's something like a personal area network thing for the 800/810 atleast, maybe it works for 770 too`
`21:01.03`	`Alystair`	`I want to make a custom kiosk app that works over a private BT channel, because I might be too lazy to create GUI in python :P`
`21:01.21`	`Alystair`	`I know html/js inside out, heh`
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`21:01.35`	`Stskeeps`	`https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemo-pan`
`21:02.18`	`Alystair`	`tries it`
`21:02.36`	`Stskeeps`	`os2008 only though`
`21:02.37`	`Stskeeps`	`:P`
`21:02.40`	`Alystair`	`FFS.`
`21:03.23`	`Alystair`	`realistically all I need this damn 770 to do is connect over BT and use html/js for a point of sale system. I don't need any other magical functionality... could I use 2008HE for this? Is performance really bad?`
`21:03.58`	`Stskeeps`	`think so - no clue about performance`
`21:04.11`	`Stskeeps`	`don't have a 770 :P`
`21:04.31`	`Alystair`	`ok, other question then. Can the built-in browser be rotated in 2008?`
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`21:04.37`	`Alystair`	`Eg. portrait instead of landscape.`
`21:05.02`	`Alystair`	`or any other 3rd party.`
`21:05.07`	`Stskeeps`	`in mine it can, but that has a special x server installed for that that i'm not sure 770 does have support for`
`21:05.42`	`Stskeeps`	`watches Alystair explode`
`21:05.47`	`Alystair`	`haha`
`21:06.11`	`Alystair`	`I won't explode, just being impatient because I know "proper" point of sales systems would be huge :)`
`21:07.12`	`Alystair`	`ok, now for the most odd question ever. Do you know of any bluetooth vibrators similar to the ones in normal cellphones?`
`21:07.25`	`Stskeeps`	`no, but i'm sure there's a sex shop selling it`
`21:07.28`	`Stskeeps`	`(i'm not kidding.)`
`21:07.37`	`Alystair`	`in a restaurant environment I can't have tablets going "ding", there should be silent methods of communication`
`21:07.45`	`Alystair`	`argh I didn't mean it that way STS :)`
`21:08.04`	`Stskeeps`	`and i know, but i'm quite certain theres some techno pervert designing those`
`21:08.04`	`Stskeeps`	`:P`
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`21:10.13`	`Alystair`	`hrm these could work http://www.netpcdirect.co.uk/bluetooth_vibrating_bracelet.php`
`21:10.31`	`piguet`	`Hi! How do you edit an existing entry at maemo.org Downloads (e.g. for a new release)?`
`21:10.35`	`jrayhawk`	`Linux has native support for the PS2 trance vibrator, which works over USB with some wiring.`
`21:10.38`	`Stskeeps`	`why BT and not wifi btw?`
`21:10.47`	`Stskeeps`	`it seems like a much simpler solution`
`21:11.01`	`Alystair`	`it mainly comes down to security`
`21:11.03`	`Stskeeps`	`(as in, the connect over BT)`
`21:11.08`	`Stskeeps`	`use SSL ..`
`21:11.08`	`Stskeeps`	`:P`
`21:11.15`	`Alystair`	`:(`
`21:11.20`	`Alystair`	`and battery power?`
`21:11.21`	`Stskeeps`	`BT isn't a single bit more secure`
`21:11.28`	`Stskeeps`	`bluetooth is worse at that really`
`21:11.43`	`jrayhawk`	`How so?`
`21:11.47`	`Stskeeps`	`my n800 can stay at least over a day on wifi if it idles a lot`
`21:11.53`	`jrayhawk`	`Oh, in that regard.`
`21:12.22`	`Stskeeps`	`jrayhawk: pin code stuff vs highly protected WPA2 networks? :P`
`21:12.35`	`Stskeeps`	`with that and ssl, it's hard to get into`
`21:12.43`	`Alystair`	`hrm`
`21:12.44`	`Stskeeps`	`also bt distance is problematic`
`21:12.58`	`jrayhawk`	`WPA2, BT, and SSL all use the same key mechanisms.`
`21:12.58`	`Alystair`	`that is an advantage actually`
`21:13.04`	`jrayhawk`	`Well, SSL can use the same key mechanisms...`
`21:13.16`	`Alystair`	`why would you want the connection to work outside the pub? :)`
`21:13.39`	`Stskeeps`	`you can turn down transmitter power on wifi aps you know`
`21:13.39`	`Stskeeps`	`:P`
`21:13.46`	`jrayhawk`	`SSL's is actually more flexible, but not particularly different from a security standpoint, just an administration one.`
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`21:14.10`	`Alystair`	`I like the idea of it working over BT because it's really unheard of and the chances of someone messing it up with their laptop is less likely`
`21:14.38`	`Alystair`	`WEP can be broken easily, and there any many sniffing apps out there for wifi already...`
`21:14.39`	`Stskeeps`	`Alystair: bluetooth dongles sending out noise? has happened :P`
`21:14.51`	`lbt`	`Stskeeps is right. BT isn't 'more secure' than wifi`
`21:15.55`	`lbt`	`both can be attacked physically using transmitters`
`21:16.15`	`Alystair`	`but it... it's more geeky, think of the cred D:`
`21:16.34`	`lbt`	`thing is, you'd probably have to do more yourself to make BT as secure as wifi - and judging by your questions here you'd fail (no offence)`
`21:16.54`	`jrayhawk`	`How's that?`
`21:17.20`	`Alystair`	`none taken`
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`21:20.29`	`Stskeeps`	`http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/packages.txt <- and that was what my weekend went with`
`21:21.45`	`Alystair`	`so is there any trick that I can do on the 770 to rotate the browser into portrait?`
`21:24.12`	`jrayhawk`	`Not easily. There are means of doing so with xrandr, but hildon definitely won't like it and the xserver`
`21:24.17`	`jrayhawk`	`probably won't`
`21:24.23`	`jrayhawk`	`argh there is a cockatiel pressing enter for me`
`21:24.28`	`jrayhawk`	`screw you, cockatiel`
`21:24.37`	`Alystair`	`A parrot?`
`21:25.09`	`jrayhawk`	`yes i am babysitting it and it likes my keyboard`
`21:25.30`	`piguet`	`Anybody here has submitted an app to maemo.org Downloads?`
`21:25.50`	`jrayhawk`	`so you'd need your own xserver and window manager`
`21:26.13`	`Alystair`	`ok`
`21:26.31`	`jrayhawk`	`it would probably be pretty trivial if you were using deblet`
`21:26.43`	`Stskeeps`	`(which isn't out for 770 just yet)`
`21:26.53`	`jrayhawk`	`oh`
`21:26.57`	`Stskeeps`	`but in some months i hope`
`21:27.06`	`Stskeeps`	`the ground work is there already`
`21:27.17`	`Alystair`	`well my requirements should be pretty easy. Kiosk style lock down, nice web browser in reverse portrait, wireless connectivity.`
`21:27.45`	`Alystair`	`reverse portrait meaning physical buttons at the bottom :)`
`21:28.06`	`rm_you`	`doable on an N8x0 >_>`
`21:28.11`	`jrayhawk`	`You can use a debian chroot system and xephyr`
`21:28.56`	`Alystair`	`rm_you: yeah except I don't want to shell out $200+ per device when a single restaurant requires at least 3 tablets that can be made "dumb resistant"`
`21:28.59`	`Alystair`	`the 770 is perfect :P`
`21:29.06`	`rm_you`	`heh`
`21:29.19`	`Alystair`	`Does nokia still produce them?`
`21:29.31`	`rm_you`	`out of curiosity`
`21:29.47`	`Alystair`	`no.`
`21:29.47`	`rm_you`	`i know you can rotate widgets... could you make a program with a rotated browser widget? >_>`
`21:30.02`	`Alystair`	`rotate widgets?`
`21:30.09`	`rm_you`	`like buttons, text, etc`
`21:30.16`	`Alystair`	`FBreader can be rotated!`
`21:30.19`	`rm_you`	`any GTK widget can be rotated IIRC`
`21:30.26`	`rm_you`	`fairly easily`
`21:30.32`	`rm_you`	`what about a gtk webkit widget?`
`21:30.38`	`rm_you`	`or whatever the GTK web component is called`
`21:30.53`	`Stskeeps`	`Alystair: i'd say gtkmozembed + debian chroot + xephyr could to the trick maybe .. or a webkit widget`
`21:30.56`	`Stskeeps`	`anyhow`
`21:30.57`	`Stskeeps`	`sleep time`
`21:31.03`	`Alystair`	`thanks for the help, have a good one`
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`21:31.18`	`lcuk`	`rm_you, are you sure they can be rotated?`
`21:31.28`	`rm_you`	`fairly`
`21:31.30`	`rm_you`	`we do it in ABL`
`21:31.43`	`jott`	`we rotate text not the widget :)`
`21:31.44`	`rm_you`	`well, not a web widget`
`21:31.45`	`lcuk`	`cool`
`21:31.50`	`housetier`	`do these devices have a video out signal?`
`21:31.52`	`rm_you`	`but, a web widget is just a widget`
`21:31.53`	`lcuk`	`can rotate text`
`21:32.00`	`rm_you`	`...`
`21:32.01`	`rm_you`	`hrm`
`21:32.06`	`lcuk`	`i have just had a nightmare evening :)`
`21:32.06`	`rm_you`	`does it only apply to text?`
`21:32.17`	`jott`	`well abl uses pango to rotate the text.`
`21:32.28`	`lcuk`	`rm_you, more specifically, just a specific caption on specific controls i would expect`
`21:32.34`	`jott`	`housetier: you wish :( - no.`
`21:32.40`	`lcuk`	`unless there was some lower level magic goin on`
`21:33.00`	`housetier`	`jott, ok we'll improvise using the drill stand then`
`21:33.48`	`housetier`	`now I only need my crew here on the space station, and a cheap print shop for t-shirts`
`21:34.21`	`lcuk`	`can i enlist half your crew to learn my software and expand it with the nits i need`
`21:34.27`	`lcuk`	`bits`
`21:34.39`	`lcuk`	`has not a lot of coding time left and a lot of things to do`
`21:34.49`	`housetier`	`if I get half of your crew as new members we could strike a deal`
`21:35.13`	`lcuk`	`hmmm`
`21:35.19`	`lcuk`	`i could spare one of the kids`
`21:35.23`	`housetier`	`hehehe`
`21:35.38`	`lcuk`	`do you want the older more gobby one, or the younger one who wees a lot?`
`21:35.45`	`housetier`	`and my crew is small and doesn't necessarily know how to hack`
`21:36.17`	`housetier`	`whats "gobby"?`
`21:36.25`	`housetier`	`can't find it at dict.cc`
`21:36.30`	`lcuk`	`answers back, thinks hes always right..`
`21:36.40`	`lcuk`	`has to have the final word`
`21:36.47`	`lcuk`	`infact, hes just like his mum`
`21:36.59`	`lcuk`	`:D`
`21:37.39`	`housetier`	`ah no that wouldn't work out, I like to have the final word myself`
`21:37.45`	`housetier`	`always.`
`21:37.49`	`lcuk`	`no you don't`
`21:37.50`	`XTL`	`just watched a scene in the Tripods he remembers seeing in the 80's`
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`21:38.50`	`lcuk`	`at least my grid view is working again now`
`21:42.51`	`RST38h`	`ok, I am abandoning the idea of using hw blitting in windowed mode`
`21:42.54`	`RST38h`	`too screwy`
`21:43.12`	`jott`	`fullscreen mode is better for gaming anyway :)`
`21:45.10`	`Alystair`	`I wonder if there is a way to pair a macbook with the 770 and use it as an external keyboard? :P`
`21:45.21`	`Alystair`	`(for the 770)`
`21:45.48`	`RST38h`	`but if anyone can tell me how to get the absolute position of the client window area, I am willing to listen`
`21:49.35`	`jott`	`RST38h: XGetWindowProperty?`
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`21:52.18`	`jott`	`or XGetGeometry?`
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`21:59.02`	`RST38h`	`jott: nah`
`21:59.12`	`jott`	`mh: (`
`21:59.13`	`RST38h`	`it is freaking GTK. it works differently`
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`22:00.30`	`Alystair`	`haha maybe I could install Synergy on the 770?`
`22:02.04`	`jott`	`RST38h: aah in gtk. gdk_window_get_origin ?`
`22:03.28`	`lcuk`	`heh, i hadnt thought of that, ive just cleaned my 810 with a soft cloth and a small amount of wd40 :) i even cleaned my stylustip with the same wd40 cloth (really not loads) and it glides along now`
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`22:16.17`	`RST38h`	`jott: it is more complicated`
`22:16.39`	`RST38h`	`jott: looks like I am getting position of the left upper corner - the title`
`22:16.48`	`RST38h`	`anyways, it is 2:17am, sleep time`
`22:17.42`	`Luria`	`is there an maemo email client with gpg/pgp key management?`
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`22:23.19`	`acydlord`	`reconnect`
`22:23.31`	`acydlord`	`gotta love when a window pops up while typing`
`22:25.14`	`lcuk`	`acydlord, my IDE kept trying to pop up and tell me about updates - it thought it was clever and would popup when it didnt have focus - but the bastard made me clicky anyway`
`22:25.21`	`lcuk`	`i hate blind dialogs`
`22:29.21`	`acydlord`	`indeed`
`22:30.54`	`brontide`	`need to not procrastinate so much`
`22:32.05`	`acydlord`	`i find it odd that microsoft webcams are more compatible with linux than logitech webcams`
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`22:59.04`	`brontide`	`they do make a nice mouse as well`
`23:01.59`	`Mek`	`anyone know if there is a repository that has hildon-initscripts 1.16-1?`
`23:07.51`	`Mek`	`bah, (not surprisingly) the current maemo qt packages don't seem to include the mysql sql plugin :)`
`23:10.32`	`lcuk`	`mek, but mysql is available for maemo`
`23:10.44`	`lcuk`	`i think`
`23:10.57`	`Mek`	`lcuk: is it, where?`
`23:11.03`	`Mek`	`for now I built my own mysql packages...`
`23:11.10`	`lcuk`	`hang on though, got a more serious problem`
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`23:11.35`	`lcuk`	`i just shutdown my machine (long press on power) then restarted and its telling me it cant do stuff cos of low memory`
`23:11.41`	`lcuk`	`it did not shutdown`
`23:11.57`	`lcuk`	`\@/ gah why is there no poweroff for this device`
`23:12.09`	`Mek`	`pull the battery? :P`
`23:12.30`	`lcuk`	`thats what i normally do, but i try to trust when people tell me it shuts everything off`
`23:13.18`	`lcuk`	`the back is flimsy enough that you can bend it when pushing back into place`
`23:13.30`	`derf`	`lcuk: Unplug it and _then_ shut it down.`
`23:13.48`	`lcuk`	`but thats not even fully off from what i can gather`
`23:13.50`	`derf`	`It actually powers down as long as it's not on AC power.`
`23:14.13`	`lcuk`	`ill try that next time then, i did forget about it being on charge`
`23:15.09`	`derf`	`lcuk: Looked at any of the QR code stuff I checked in yet?`
`23:15.19`	`lcuk`	`no im mad busy with liqbase`
`23:16.05`	`lcuk`	`and all the other family stuff that happens`
`23:16.47`	`Mek`	`hmm... squid@maemo.org is giving me an error that it can't reach 127.0.0.1 when I try to get to some page :)`
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`23:52.37`	`m-c-`	`Is there a program to record on the NIT in vorbis?`
`23:55.56`	`derf`	`There's gstreamer... not sure if there's a dedicated program for it.`
`23:56.06`	`derf`	`Though I think latest ogg support is decode-only.`
`23:57.15`	`brontide`	`lcuk: You in Berlin this week?`
`23:57.24`	`lcuk`	`yes`
`23:57.47`	`brontide`	`Will be nice to put real face on people`
`23:58.26`	`lcuk`	`yeah it always is :)`
`23:59.49`	`brontide`	`You will get done with liqbase in time for the 3d hardware to appear`

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