| 00:00.07 | t_s_o | GeneralAntilles: maybe another entry to add to your wiki article on fixing the app manager, the chance to see the real error messages from apt? |
| 00:00.32 | GeneralAntilles | t_s_o, m-vo is very well aware of how much the error reporting sucks. |
| 00:00.35 | blackdeath | dose any one know how to change the boot menu text? |
| 00:00.50 | GeneralAntilles | I may get around to adding a section, but it's definitely not something they're not thinking about. |
| 00:01.11 | t_s_o | nice to know |
| 00:03.22 | dystopia | hee guaka!! |
| 00:03.38 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm, anybody up for grabbing a list of h-a-m's common error messages? |
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| 00:07.11 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody remember the exact text of Application manager's "your internal card is corrupt, I'm going to sit here and pout" error message? |
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| 00:10.37 | brontide | how do I find out what package owns a file? |
| 00:11.00 | X3N | dpk -S packagename ? |
| 00:11.08 | brontide | I have a file |
| 00:11.20 | X3N | er dpkg even |
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| 00:11.57 | X3N | check the file against the output of dpkg -S ? |
| 00:12.16 | brontide | dpkg -S pattern(file) |
| 00:13.28 | brontide | looks like osso-af-utils is the offending package |
| 00:14.04 | brontide | check out ls -al /usr/share/icons/xcursor-transparent/ |
| 00:16.40 | brontide | linking to your parent is probably not the best of ideas |
| 00:24.40 | GeneralAntilles | The wiki has reached Downloads speeds. . . . |
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| 00:26.04 | brontide | thinks the grass grows faster than wiki's download speeds |
| 00:26.10 | brontide | where were those servers |
| 00:27.39 | GeneralAntilles | Still being worked on |
| 00:27.47 | GeneralAntilles | They did a database dump for testing today. |
| 00:28.02 | brontide | It's just painful at times |
| 00:28.50 | brontide | It's been 2 minutes and browser is still "connected" but no page data yet |
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| 00:32.58 | lardman | lol, I'm thinking the same about my uni connection and it's streaming at a good 42kB/s |
| 00:33.10 | lardman | not long ago that would have been pretty impressive |
| 00:33.44 | GeneralAntilles | I'm not even sure the text I was planning on pasting into the damn article is still in the clipboard. |
| 00:33.54 | brontide | Yeah.. I was annoyed that I was only getting 80mbps down to my laptop the other day on a 100mbps connection |
| 00:34.06 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, we told you to stop running a quake server on there. |
| 00:34.11 | GeneralAntilles | Don't make me get out the cattle prod. |
| 00:34.22 | lardman | or at least tell us the password so we can come play |
| 00:34.43 | GeneralAntilles | is still hoping for some tablet-only Quake deathmatches. |
| 00:34.54 | lardman | they're probably playing using opengl quake on N810s and laughing at us |
| 00:34.59 | lardman | ;) |
| 00:35.19 | GeneralAntilles | 'course, somebody's just gonna use a mouse and keyboard and ruin all the run. |
| 00:35.39 | lardman | Or a Core Duo Quad... |
| 00:35.55 | lardman | or Core Quad, whatever they call them now :S |
| 00:36.08 | lardman | bed time, 24 slides down, more to go tomorrow |
| 00:36.10 | t_s_o | hmm, quad damage ;) |
| 00:36.15 | lardman | night all |
| 00:36.33 | GeneralAntilles | quad glaser! |
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| 00:56.43 | oilinki3 | hmm. who is etrunko? |
| 00:59.27 | GAN800 | Canola guy |
| 01:01.09 | oilinki3 | ah. thanks. that was a very good way to describe :) |
| 01:01.11 | rm_you | lol lardman (lardman|gone), at my uni I get 6Mb/s down :P |
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| 01:07.10 | oilinki3 | and good morning |
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| 01:22.38 | gregorovius | where do I get the flasher for linux? |
| 01:22.51 | gregorovius | I can't find it in http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ |
| 01:23.07 | gregorovius | hm, nevermind, found it |
| 01:23.09 | mdg | Anyone used an A4tech wireless keyboard with the 770? |
| 01:25.08 | GAN800 | ~flashing |
| 01:25.09 | infobot | well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
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| 01:38.55 | mdg | Is there is a difference between bluetooth and wireless - or what is the difference? |
| 01:39.35 | GAN800 | wireless == wifi? |
| 01:40.16 | mdg | so a keyboard described as "RF" is ??? |
| 01:40.24 | johnx | something else :) |
| 01:40.41 | GAN800 | proprietary |
| 01:40.42 | johnx | some random protocol that only works with their included adapter |
| 01:40.46 | mdg | not bluetooth and not wifi? |
| 01:40.52 | johnx | right |
| 01:40.53 | johnx | something else |
| 01:40.54 | GAN800 | Which means it has a USB dongle. |
| 01:41.19 | mdg | Oh, so it won't work with Nokia 770, right? |
| 01:41.33 | johnx | correct |
| 01:41.44 | mdg | Darn! |
| 01:42.17 | mdg | Anyone here have luck with VPN and their Nokia 770? |
| 01:42.17 | johnx | did you just buy one? |
| 01:42.36 | mdg | no johnx, just looking - price is pretty cheap |
| 01:42.59 | johnx | just find a bluetooth keyboard. they're not that expensive last time I checked |
| 01:43.43 | mdg | okay, will have to do that. |
| 01:44.04 | johnx | you should be able to find one for $30-$40 if you look |
| 01:44.32 | mdg | johnx, any recommendations as far as brand, besides apple |
| 01:44.45 | johnx | I don't have one |
| 01:44.51 | mdg | oh okay |
| 01:44.55 | johnx | I hear the palm and igo ones are good |
| 01:45.05 | johnx | n800+usb keyboard here |
| 01:45.10 | mdg | any tips on how to scroll down directories in Midnight Command |
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| 01:45.36 | mdg | igo? Haven't heard of that before |
| 01:46.13 | johnx | they make (made) the stowaway and sierra IIRC |
| 01:46.50 | mdg | any major stores that carry igo? |
| 01:46.58 | johnx | not anymore |
| 01:47.01 | johnx | it's discontinued |
| 01:47.10 | rm_you | which one did I use again? |
| 01:47.11 | johnx | you'll have to look online |
| 01:47.19 | rm_you | looks |
| 01:47.21 | mdg | okay, will do |
| 01:47.31 | johnx | rm_you, the stowaway I think |
| 01:47.41 | gregorovius | is there a new version of ogg-support out? |
| 01:48.08 | rm_you | ah. ThinkOutside stowaway |
| 01:48.30 | rm_you | gregorovius: i think i saw an announcement somewhere about an updated version for diablo, yes |
| 01:48.44 | GAN800 | Planet. |
| 01:48.46 | gregorovius | I saw a post on ITT but I can't find it anywhere |
| 01:48.58 | gregorovius | oh, I'll take a look at planet, thanks |
| 01:49.45 | mdg | Is it easier to get python 2.5 setup in hackeros2007 than regular 2006? |
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| 02:01.26 | mdg | What would I have to do to setup by Apple keyboard (once I get it)? |
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| 02:04.09 | mdg | just pair it as per instructions in nokia manual? No special setup for the keyboard itself? |
| 02:04.13 | rm_you | put the keyboard in pairing mode... open the control panel of the 770, go to bluetooth, and add device |
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| 02:04.52 | mdg | does anyone use more than one bluetooth device at a time - say keyboard and headset? |
| 02:06.08 | mdg | Does Mac keyboards use regular batteries or do I have to buy something special? |
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| 02:08.08 | mdg | Thanks rm_you for the good advice - I can't wait to go pick one up! |
| 02:08.59 | mdg | Now if I can just get windows to flash the updated os I will be totally set and happy! |
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| 02:24.34 | mdg | Goodnight all! |
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| 02:29.25 | johnx | heads off for the long weekend |
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| 02:35.48 | rm_you | hrm. just shot an email to Quim asking for verification that I'm actually even registered for OSiM :P |
| 02:36.21 | rm_you | since no one ever really told me if I was or not. I had my name on the arrivals list well before the deadline, but... yeah. We'll see. I hope I am. :) |
| 02:36.51 | rm_you | On the bright side, at least if I'm not, I have a couple days to see the city :) |
| 02:38.56 | GeneralAntilles | No Ari keynote for you! |
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| 02:42.08 | rm_you | i actually assume I am registered, it's just that no one ever actually explicitly told me |
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| 03:02.48 | brontide | safari + "dell.com" = FAIL |
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| 03:34.03 | brontide | woah.. "The developer session on Thursday 18 will have more than what is explained in the program, based on what Ari Jaaksi will present on Wed 17. Erkko Antila (Fremantle product manager), Quim Gil (OSS marketing manager) and Niels Breet (maemo.org webmaster) will share the schedule to discuss software offering, development platform and Maemo community. " |
| 03:36.18 | rm_you | omgwtfbbq? |
| 03:36.43 | brontide | it's on the maemo wiki of all places.. I was checking the wifi situation and my eyes crossed that |
| 03:37.19 | brontide | https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2008/Organization#OSiM |
| 03:37.48 | GeneralAntilles | Peter mentioned that the Maemo booth might need some backup after Ari's talk on baloo's blog. |
| 03:39.46 | rm_you | lol |
| 03:39.55 | rm_you | are they going to announce some CRAZY SHIT?! :P |
| 03:40.17 | brontide | Short of Nokia saying it Fremantle software and hardware will be shown if not fondled. Also indicates the new SDK *might* be realy |
| 03:40.23 | vegai | Maemo 2009 will be based on Windows Vista? |
| 03:42.02 | vegai | seriously though. |
| 03:42.05 | brontide | Crazy would be 200 dev units :-P |
| 03:42.24 | vegai | briand: by new SDK, would it probably be just an updated version of the current thing |
| 03:42.33 | vegai | or something a new thing? |
| 03:42.40 | vegai | i.e. evolutionary or revolutionary? |
| 03:43.04 | brontide | Oh... just reinstalled and there is a LOT of crap in extras that I don't think should be in the listings... one even said it was for scratchbox |
| 03:43.07 | GeneralAntilles | Maemo 5 |
| 03:43.36 | brontide | evolutionary, expect more polish on existing upstream and critical system items |
| 03:44.51 | brontide | and new hardware... but the hardware will probably not drift too far from the n8x0 form factor and beagle board reference platform |
| 03:47.42 | ricko73 | is there a good twitter app for the n810? |
| 03:48.23 | vegai | the hardware seems to be fine |
| 03:48.32 | vegai | it's the software part that is disappointing |
| 03:48.34 | brontide | mitter? ( I don't use twitter ) |
| 03:48.59 | brontide | vegai: I'm not expecting anything revolutionary. |
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| 03:49.12 | ricko73 | I just signed up for an account |
| 03:49.25 | brontide | we are still talking gtk/qt/linux not apple/iphone |
| 03:50.11 | GeneralAntilles | vegai, the hardware is _not_ fine. |
| 03:50.17 | GeneralAntilles | LCD controller is all messed up |
| 03:50.47 | brontide | yeah, even a slight change to the hardware will make it MUCH more media friendly |
| 03:51.14 | brontide | 800x480 screen, but no bandwidth to get the buffers to the LCD fast enough |
| 03:51.40 | brontide | 3d hardware for, if nothing else, Xserver compsiting |
| 03:52.17 | brontide | current hardware spends far too much time drawing every pixel and moving them to the LCD |
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| 04:22.55 | RST38h | brontide: afaik it was the last minute decision by nokia |
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| 04:34.19 | Alystair | so uh, how do I uninstall apps on a nokia tablet |
| 04:38.15 | Alystair | asks really really dumb questions sometimes |
| 04:38.20 | Alystair | that wasn't worth answering |
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| 05:13.16 | vegai | GeneralAntilles: ok, but the software problems are far worse |
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| 05:13.35 | vegai | doesn't it already have 3d hardware? Just the driver missing |
| 05:13.40 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 05:13.46 | GeneralAntilles | But it's not really up for compositing |
| 05:13.54 | vegai | ok |
| 05:14.03 | GeneralAntilles | Besides, newer hardware solves a lot of the software issues |
| 05:14.19 | GeneralAntilles | Faster CPU == better application start times, more fluid interface, etc. |
| 05:15.02 | GeneralAntilles | The new LCD interface means much better redraw times. |
| 05:16.08 | kulve | you need quite many layers on top of 3d hardware to be able to use it in your (x) application |
| 05:16.25 | kulve | kernel driver, open gl es stack, egl (or something) for X |
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| 06:03.32 | Khertan_n810 | Hi ! |
| 06:03.53 | Stskeeps | mornin' |
| 06:04.41 | Khertan_n810 | morning Stskeeps |
| 06:05.30 | Khertan_n810 | see that the first example of python magazine is free |
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| 06:05.52 | Khertan_n810 | and they explain how to make a custom cairo widget |
| 06:06.26 | Khertan_n810 | could be a good things to draw my own view for mCalendar |
| 06:06.48 | gregorovius | kulve: I just installed ogg-support 0.8 in my freshly-flashed n800, and all oggs are appearing under '(unknown artist)' |
| 06:07.25 | Khertan_n810 | héhé it s ogg ... open source ... |
| 06:08.00 | Khertan_n810 | so there isn t really artist |
| 06:08.11 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
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| 06:09.11 | Khertan_n810 | see the diff of perf of the autobuilder, it s clear that x-fade is no more in vacancies |
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| 06:13.29 | gregorovius_ | oh, nevermind, I found the bug |
| 06:13.58 | Khertan_n810 | ? |
| 06:14.31 | gregorovius_ | http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2836 |
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| 06:22.15 | kulve | gregorovius: yeah, tags are buggy and I don't know (yet) why |
| 06:22.42 | kulve | gregorovius: I get something like 5% of the tags, so they *are* working, it's just buggy.. |
| 06:23.18 | kulve | gregorovius: it might be that the bug is in ogg/gst libs I provide and not in the Nokia components.. |
| 06:25.56 | gregorovius_ | hope it gets sorted out somehow |
| 06:27.22 | Khertan_n810 | no one have make a google public calendar with the summikt program ? |
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| 06:32.42 | Alystair | what's the default password on the 770? |
| 06:33.02 | Alystair | for the device lock |
| 06:33.14 | Khertan_n810 | http://feeds.engadget.com/~r/weblogsinc/engadget/~3/390199143/ |
| 06:33.20 | Khertan_n810 | i like the pad |
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| 06:34.33 | Alystair | hrm 12345 |
| 06:34.35 | RST38h | Khertan: Windows CE |
| 06:34.38 | RST38h | fuck it. |
| 06:34.47 | Dasajev | 64MB of RAM... |
| 06:34.55 | RST38h | (and a 480x272 screen too) |
| 06:35.10 | Khertan_n810 | yep just talking of the pad |
| 06:35.21 | Khertan_n810 | the rest sucks |
| 06:35.38 | Dasajev | the pad looks nice indeed |
| 06:35.41 | Alystair | christ I promised myself I'd only get the 770 to develop stuff and now the 810 looks really tempting :| |
| 06:35.51 | Alystair | as a purely personal device |
| 06:36.20 | Khertan_n810 | only the pad is interersting in this thing |
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| 06:43.32 | Khertan_n810 | http://feeds.engadget.com/~r/weblogsinc/engadget/~3/389799035/ |
| 06:43.40 | Khertan_n810 | a creative internet tablet ? |
| 06:47.55 | RST38h | http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html |
| 06:48.02 | RST38h | Here. Pray. |
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| 06:49.12 | Dekaritae | Khertan_n810: Looks like a tabletkiosk |
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| 06:49.46 | Khertan_n810 | Dekaritae: yep or an larger 770 :) |
| 06:49.55 | kulve | Alystair: what kind of stuff you want to develop on 770? |
| 06:51.38 | Dekaritae | Actually, it looks more like a Samsung Q1B |
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| 06:51.52 | Khertan_n810 | RST38h: the first collision is planned for december |
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| 06:52.23 | gregorovius | is there a digital clock for the statusbar that only takes up 1 slot? |
| 06:52.31 | GeneralAntilles | It's in Extras |
| 06:52.35 | GeneralAntilles | Status Bar Clock |
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| 06:53.25 | RST38h | Khertan: it warped time. |
| 06:53.25 | Khertan_n810 | i ve just uploaded cairo clock to extras devel : an home desktop clock applet |
| 06:53.41 | gregorovius | I installed that and it was an analog clock, unless i missed a setting somewhere |
| 06:53.43 | sebas | Yay, a new clock :-) |
| 06:53.53 | ShadowJK | status bar is full :( |
| 06:53.55 | Alystair | are there any advantages to using hacker OS versions on the 770? |
| 06:54.00 | RST38h | And what do you mean "by december"? Do they intend to end the world on a neat calendar date like Dec 31? =) |
| 06:54.03 | Khertan_n810 | gregorious : yep analog |
| 06:54.19 | Alystair | the time-zone settings on the 770 really really piss me off |
| 06:54.25 | Alystair | why are they listed by city and not country |
| 06:54.26 | gregorovius | i'm looking for a digital clock, I can't read a analog clock that small |
| 06:54.49 | Khertan_n810 | RST3e8h: in mid december they will made the first collision |
| 06:54.59 | GeneralAntilles | gregorovius, switch the mode in the Clock application. |
| 06:55.00 | RST38h | Christmas then! |
| 06:55.18 | GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, do you have advanced backlight installed? |
| 06:55.36 | ShadowJK | nope? |
| 06:55.43 | RST38h | or maybe even Hanukkah? =) |
| 06:55.45 | gregorovius | GeneralAntilles: thanks, that was counterintuitive |
| 06:55.51 | Alystair | advanced backlight? Is that similar to ACmonitor? |
| 06:56.00 | GeneralAntilles | Alystair, no. |
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| 06:56.12 | GeneralAntilles | http://adv-backlight.garage.maemo.org |
| 06:56.38 | Khertan_n810 | never change backlight settting |
| 06:56.45 | Khertan_n810 | always to full :) |
| 06:56.59 | Khertan_n810 | the sensor is good to manage it :) |
| 06:57.14 | Alystair | ah stuff I can't use lol |
| 06:59.50 | GeneralAntilles | Khertan_n810, kills battery life. |
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| 07:03.17 | Khertan_n810 | GeneralAntilles: long enough for me |
| 07:04.12 | Khertan_n810 | i use mainly bt |
| 07:04.23 | Khertan_n810 | less drain battery than wifi |
| 07:04.34 | GeneralAntilles | Only by a little. |
| 07:04.41 | rmrfchik | am I right, current mplayer plays bad video with faad codec? |
| 07:04.44 | Khertan_n810 | yep only a little |
| 07:05.06 | rmrfchik | meanwhile, a built-in media playes do it good |
| 07:05.22 | Khertan_n810 | faad codec |
| 07:05.31 | Khertan_n810 | ? |
| 07:05.47 | rmrfchik | hm. sec... |
| 07:06.30 | rmrfchik | [faad] AAC (MPEG2/3 |
| 07:06.37 | rmrfchik | this is a part of output |
| 07:06.53 | Khertan_n810 | funny to see that when i add percent of all process i can see in a top is around 600% |
| 07:07.17 | Khertan_n810 | mpeg2 play fine in mplayer |
| 07:07.35 | rmrfchik | moreover, [faad] afm: faad (FAAD AAC |
| 07:07.58 | Khertan_n810 | aac is for audio |
| 07:08.28 | rmrfchik | ah, sure, I'm talking about audio, sorry not say it. |
| 07:09.48 | Khertan_n810 | connection will drop entering in subway |
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| 07:14.46 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:15.05 | X-Fade | Morning. |
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| 07:16.49 | X-Fade | About the council blog. I think we can create http://maemo.org/community/council/ and give the council members rights to post messages there. |
| 07:17.02 | X-Fade | We can use that rss in the news section too. |
| 07:17.15 | tekojo | X-Fade sounds good |
| 07:17.25 | X-Fade | And see if we can point an url to that a bit later. |
| 07:17.53 | tekojo | Need to think about that, but I guess it could be done |
| 07:18.06 | tekojo | but don't take that as a promise |
| 07:18.12 | Jaffa | X-Fade: cool, sounds like what we need |
| 07:18.25 | X-Fade | tekojo: yeah, I'm worried about adding ssl etc for yet another domain.. |
| 07:18.55 | GAN800 | Not real important |
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| 07:19.07 | Jaffa | X-Fade: may not need a domain - SSL fun, of course - or just an HTTP redirect to the full URL (a la p.m.o) |
| 07:19.15 | GAN800 | Nice addon, but don't stress things if it's an issue. |
| 07:19.26 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Yes, but we have https problems on that url ;) |
| 07:19.46 | tekojo | might be doable as said, but needs a check |
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| 07:21.58 | GAN800 | You know, I've said it once and I'll say it again, but I wish Maemo Software would take a cue from you guys. :) |
| 07:23.26 | tekojo | GAN800: what do you mean? |
| 07:24.04 | GeneralAntilles | Well, the maemo.org team is involved, responsive, easy to get to, and easy to work with. |
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| 07:24.29 | GeneralAntilles | They deal with their bugs, they get things done and it's not fighting on uphill battle on every single little issue. |
| 07:25.16 | tekojo | ah, that general problem |
| 07:25.54 | GeneralAntilles | ;) |
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| 07:25.58 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Do you think it is a good idea to create a council garage project? |
| 07:26.17 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: So I can use that as group and you add all members there? |
| 07:26.29 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm |
| 07:26.36 | GeneralAntilles | I don't see why not. |
| 07:26.49 | tekojo | I need some time to see what could be done to get some more connections |
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| 07:28.32 | X-Fade | Oh btw, there will also be people from Nokia Legal at the summit. So prepare your questions ;) |
| 07:28.55 | GeneralAntilles | Hopefully we can get the ball rolling on wrapping up the branding stuff. |
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| 07:29.17 | GeneralAntilles | Terms of use, trademark usage, and maemo.org legal disclaimers all need some examination |
| 07:29.29 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody needs to take a look at the patch licensing, too. |
| 07:30.23 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Can you create the project on garage? |
| 07:32.15 | GeneralAntilles | Can I fill in the descriptions later? |
| 07:32.26 | X-Fade | Yes, I will approve it ;) |
| 07:32.45 | GeneralAntilles | web form says "No" |
| 07:32.54 | X-Fade | heh ;) |
| 07:33.04 | X-Fade | 'placeholder' ;) |
| 07:33.07 | GeneralAntilles | Sent |
| 07:33.42 | X-Fade | Approved ;) |
| 07:35.43 | GeneralAntilles | I guess the council should probably start doing sprint progress reporting. |
| 07:36.17 | X-Fade | Sure, I think that is a good idea. |
| 07:36.27 | X-Fade | It works pretty well for us. |
| 07:38.39 | GeneralAntilles | I guess the thing I'm hesitant about is overloading the sprint reviews with too much stuff. |
| 07:39.00 | X-Fade | Well, you could create your own. |
| 07:39.06 | X-Fade | But how to combine :) |
| 07:39.07 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, that's what I'm thinking |
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| 07:39.32 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe keep the wiki-side organization mostly together |
| 07:39.54 | aladds | does anyone know where i can find Xournal for my 770? |
| 07:39.58 | aladds | http://www.bgran.net/etrunko/apt is down |
| 07:40.01 | aladds | :( |
| 07:40.28 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Or make the activity log 2 columns? |
| 07:40.38 | aladds | (running 2007HE, so i need the patch, which i can find, but it needs the original!) |
| 07:40.58 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, that'll involve tables |
| 07:41.11 | X-Fade | Brr wiki tables. |
| 07:41.20 | GeneralAntilles | which means pain and suffering for people submitting progress reports |
| 07:41.24 | GeneralAntilles | I'm talking about the IRC reviews, btw. |
| 07:42.19 | X-Fade | Well, you can do that in the same channel. Before or after ours? And be present to comment on 'our' sprint? |
| 07:42.43 | GeneralAntilles | A lot of the council issues will probably fall under "website" anyway |
| 07:42.56 | GeneralAntilles | so those can be handled in the normal maemo.org IRC sprint reviews |
| 07:43.07 | GeneralAntilles | The problematic stuff would be the Maemo Software related issues. |
| 07:43.13 | X-Fade | Yeah, and the group isn't that large. So I don't think it will be bloating the meeting too much. |
| 07:43.23 | GeneralAntilles | Which should be separate, as it involves different people. |
| 07:43.30 | X-Fade | Well, organise meetings with those guys too ;) |
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| 07:43.55 | GeneralAntilles | Those may have to be played by ear a bit. |
| 07:44.18 | GeneralAntilles | It's a lot of work having to build an organizational framework from the ground up. . . . |
| 07:45.05 | Italodance | someone has libglib ? |
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| 07:51.39 | Italodance | thank u for ur fast help |
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| 07:56.12 | aladds | noone knows where i can get xournal then? |
| 08:02.05 | Italodance | yes |
| 08:02.13 | Italodance | http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/ |
| 08:05.42 | aladds | ah, but for os2007? |
| 08:05.52 | aladds | only has a 770 |
| 08:06.09 | aladds | sorry, i did say that when i first asked, but you might not have been here |
| 08:06.43 | aladds | i found the patch for the os2006 version to work on os2007 |
| 08:06.52 | aladds | but i can't find the os2006 version |
| 08:06.55 | aladds | http://www.bgran.net/etrunko/apt is down |
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| 08:08.22 | Italodance | wait |
| 08:09.36 | aladds | hm? |
| 08:10.13 | Stskeeps | aladds: there exists 2008HE though? |
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| 08:10.25 | Italodance | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/os2007_tested_applications/ |
| 08:10.40 | Italodance | read it and do it :) |
| 08:10.51 | Stskeeps | Italodance: the apt it refers to is down.. |
| 08:10.58 | aladds | 2008HE doesn't work amazingly though, there're problems with the sound being really quiet |
| 08:10.59 | Italodance | also http://henryykt.googlepages.com/xournalforn800 |
| 08:11.07 | aladds | yeah |
| 08:11.20 | aladds | but, as Stskeeps says, the apt, http://www.bgran.net/etrunko/apt is down |
| 08:11.37 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:12.02 | Italodance | hi Jaffa |
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| 08:13.40 | Stskeeps | aladds: http://www.maemo.org.br/platform/apt/pool/user/x/xournal/ maybe |
| 08:13.40 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles, Jaffa: https://maemo.org/community/council/ in the floating bar 'Folder' -> create article. |
| 08:14.11 | aladds | i want armel, right? |
| 08:14.25 | Stskeeps | yes |
| 08:14.40 | Stskeeps | aladds: how hackerish are you btw? |
| 08:14.46 | aladds | hackerish enough |
| 08:14.49 | aladds | :P |
| 08:15.14 | Stskeeps | aladds: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23547 if you get bored.. we're trying to make an updated environment for 770 |
| 08:15.17 | GeneralAntilles | Abstract? |
| 08:15.31 | Italodance | how can i edit and remove application catalogue with x-term? |
| 08:15.39 | Jaffa | X-Fade: cool |
| 08:15.46 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Short version, but it isn't used.. |
| 08:15.47 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 08:15.50 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, OK. |
| 08:15.57 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, this looks perfect, anyway. |
| 08:15.58 | GeneralAntilles | Thanks! |
| 08:16.20 | X-Fade | http://maemo.org/community/council/rss.xml is also in the planet now. |
| 08:16.31 | X-Fade | So it will also show up in the news section. |
| 08:17.01 | Jaffa | X-Fade: cool stuff, thanks |
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| 08:17.29 | GeneralAntilles | Time for somebody to put together an announcement, then. ;) |
| 08:18.42 | Jaffa | Well volunteered ;-) |
| 08:19.11 | aladds | right, which repository will i find libgnomecanvas, libgnomeprint(&ui) & poppler-utils? |
| 08:19.20 | aladds | in which even |
| 08:20.20 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, isn't Tim the marketing guy? :D |
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| 08:21.09 | aladds | nevermind, found it |
| 08:22.22 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: his presentation sample's better than mine. Although I found http://www.sxc.hu/browse.phtml?f=download&id=1042480 and quite liked it as a "community" theme |
| 08:22.43 | GeneralAntilles | Gotta log in |
| 08:22.53 | Jaffa | hang on |
| 08:23.03 | Jaffa | http://www.sxc.hu/photo/1042480 |
| 08:23.39 | GeneralAntilles | Not bad |
| 08:23.47 | GeneralAntilles | Perhaps a little too stylized for my tastes |
| 08:23.59 | GeneralAntilles | We need one with 5 figures. . . . |
| 08:24.04 | GeneralAntilles | His is 6, yours is 4. |
| 08:24.05 | Jaffa | sxc.hu rocks - takes a while to find one you like,though |
| 08:24.09 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: indeed |
| 08:24.39 | aladds | ah, now i've found them for mistral, but are there bora versions? |
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| 08:25.59 | jott | Jaffa: GeneralAntilles maybe you could make it a bit more personal by putting pictures of you up there. |
| 08:26.41 | GeneralAntilles | Pass |
| 08:26.50 | jott | hehe |
| 08:26.56 | GeneralAntilles | I've got zero decent pictures of myself. |
| 08:27.15 | Jaffa | Ditto |
| 08:27.31 | GeneralAntilles | and not even a decent camera at hand to try to get one |
| 08:27.38 | jott | we photoshop you in a group picture at the summit ;) |
| 08:27.38 | Jaffa | jott: and I'm hoping if we can get a could community template for the council, I can use it for my own presentation without having to do much thinking ;-) |
| 08:28.17 | jott | or better gimp you in there.. haha |
| 08:28.34 | timelyx | heh |
| 08:28.47 | Jaffa | http://bleb.org/software/maemo/pres-example.png isn't great though. Simplicity will probably work best (when in doubt, copy the style your company's designer came up with ;-)) |
| 08:29.28 | timelyx | lol |
| 08:30.38 | Italodance | www.internettablet.org.cn |
| 08:30.40 | Italodance | h |
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| 08:32.32 | timelyx | that's actually a fairly good overview for a relatively small page |
| 08:33.48 | Italodance | ummm what's it plutoorbiter-os2008? |
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| 08:38.30 | aladds | for future reference, http://maemo.org.br/platform/apt seems to be a mirror of the dead repo |
| 08:38.44 | Stskeeps | yeah, that was what i found :P |
| 08:38.57 | aladds | someone should wiki it |
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| 08:40.03 | Stskeeps | hmm. is 770 charger same as one for n800? |
| 08:40.20 | aladds | think so, all nokias have used the little charger for a while now |
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| 08:40.48 | timelyx | aladds: subject to change w/o notice |
| 08:41.09 | timelyx | Stskeeps: the 770,n800,n810,n810-wimax all use the mini charger jack |
| 08:41.28 | Stskeeps | sounds good |
| 08:41.49 | timelyx | note that some newer nokia phones use microb usb for charging |
| 08:42.18 | aladds | that's a good point actually |
| 08:42.39 | aladds | the 6500 slide uses the mini jack, but the 6500 classic uses mini usb |
| 08:42.40 | aladds | ;S |
| 08:42.43 | aladds | *:S |
| 08:43.26 | timelyx | passes around a bottle of "confusion" straight from Nokia |
| 08:43.32 | aladds | :P |
| 08:43.51 | liri | argg |
| 08:43.59 | aladds | does the "N800" update |
| 08:44.19 | aladds | yay! :D |
| 08:44.41 | aladds | now needs to make his handwriting smaller :P |
| 08:44.52 | aladds | and keep it legible... |
| 08:44.56 | liri | when I'm working with the gps obviously I don't touch the screen regularly so the lcd light turns off, does the advanced backlight app has a feature to keep the light on constantly for a defined duration? |
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| 08:45.15 | GeneralAntilles | liri, no, but Maemo Mapper does. |
| 08:45.27 | timelyx | yeah, your gps app should do that for you |
| 08:45.42 | liri | mm, I'm using roadmap and it doesn't do that and I don't use maemo mapper so... |
| 08:45.52 | GeneralAntilles | Time to patch Roadmap |
| 08:45.59 | liri | heh |
| 08:46.11 | liri | or fire-up maemo mapper in the background? :) |
| 08:46.11 | jott | http://www.leicestershirevillages.com/uploads/843ff5494264c0626403963.gif :) |
| 08:46.16 | GeneralAntilles | You could probably just lift Maemo Mapper's method whole hog. |
| 08:46.21 | timelyx | liri: that'd be a bug |
| 08:46.33 | timelyx | a backgrounded app should *not* keep the backlight on |
| 08:46.55 | melmoth | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/shownotes.php?release_id=1790 |
| 08:47.05 | melmoth | RoadMap can now suspend display-blanking to keep the backlight on while navigating. |
| 08:48.14 | liri | I'm using a different branch of roadmap called roadmap_editor |
| 08:48.36 | timelyx | forking is bad |
| 08:48.38 | timelyx | don't fork |
| 08:48.54 | liri | heh, you telling me? tell it to that author who forked it |
| 08:48.59 | liri | I hate the fork too |
| 08:49.05 | GeneralAntilles | fork you! |
| 08:50.48 | melmoth | well...backport the patch then. |
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| 08:56.56 | aladds | erm |
| 08:57.03 | aladds | how does the 770 manage memory? |
| 08:57.07 | aladds | it's confusing me |
| 08:57.12 | aladds | as in |
| 08:57.19 | aladds | i'd like to install gnumetic |
| 08:57.23 | aladds | gnumeric |
| 08:57.24 | aladds | but |
| 08:57.52 | aladds | i thought i should free some space, as i remember seeing it say 75% full |
| 08:58.04 | aladds | and 8MB or so free |
| 08:58.07 | aladds | and gnumeric is 9 |
| 08:58.16 | aladds | so i moved everything to my 2GB card |
| 08:58.26 | aladds | now it's saying 0% used |
| 08:58.38 | aladds | so, how much space do i have left for applications? |
| 08:58.44 | aladds | how do i find out? |
| 08:58.48 | aladds | df? |
| 08:58.49 | aladds | :P |
| 08:59.30 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 08:59.30 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 08:59.36 | Stskeeps | of the / |
| 08:59.45 | aladds | crazy :S |
| 09:00.13 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: sigh |
| 09:00.17 | timelyx | *forking without a license* |
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| 09:03.32 | GeneralAntilles | 'morning, dneary. |
| 09:03.44 | dneary | Morning! |
| 09:03.59 | Alan_Peery | Good morning! I have just realised that having Spanish maps in my N810 might be really handy as I am flying there early tomorrow. Does anyone have a good link for adding maps? The only connectivity I will have is wifi at hotel, so I want to have the maps cached. |
| 09:04.15 | dneary | Listening to a hugely interesting presentation: http://www.slideshare.net/david_a_eaves/community-management-presentation?src=related_normal&rel=155665 |
| 09:04.19 | GeneralAntilles | For "Map" or Maemo Mapper? |
| 09:04.45 | Alan_Peery | I like MM better... |
| 09:05.12 | GeneralAntilles | OK, switch to your favorite map repository (say, Google Street), shuffle the view on over to Spain |
| 09:05.28 | GeneralAntilles | Frame the area of Spain you want to download in the windows |
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| 09:06.07 | GeneralAntilles | Go to the menu -> Maps -> Manage Maps... and download the zoom levels you want for that area. |
| 09:08.03 | GeneralAntilles | Looks interesting, dneary. *listening* |
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| 09:16.12 | hrw | morning |
| 09:16.19 | Stskeeps | hrw: did you ever try emulating 770 btw? |
| 09:16.31 | hrw | Stskeeps: there is no emulation of 770 |
| 09:16.34 | Stskeeps | k |
| 09:16.46 | hrw | Stskeeps: 770 is obsolete toy not usable device |
| 09:17.36 | Stskeeps | hehe. i'm of the old school that says old machines are still quite useful |
| 09:18.07 | florian | good morning |
| 09:18.18 | Jaffa | Jaffa Jr. is using a fairly old ThinkPad with Ubuntu and some of the Netbook Remix packages to make it more simple for a 2.5 year old. |
| 09:18.28 | hrw | Stskeeps: I use older devices then 770 |
| 09:18.35 | Italodance | finally someone can help me |
| 09:18.39 | Italodance | ? |
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| 09:18.56 | hrw | Jaffa: older then p3? |
| 09:19.19 | Jaffa | hrw: I *think* it's a celery |
| 09:20.03 | woglinde | hi florian |
| 09:20.03 | Jaffa | Ah, no Google says a type 2656 is an R30, P3 1GHz. |
| 09:20.17 | Jaffa | Still damned fast compared with my old BBC B, A3010 or RiscPC. |
| 09:21.55 | hrw | Jaffa: 1GHz p3 is fast machine very usable |
| 09:22.22 | hrw | 770 was developer device which should not be targetted at users |
| 09:22.51 | Jaffa | hrw: Indeed. Problem is it's been dropped a few times and the LCD has loads of broken rows, often in clumps of about 30 or so; with on a 768 high screen is fun. |
| 09:23.03 | florian | hrw: uh? |
| 09:24.14 | hrw | Jaffa: lcd monitors are cheap now - buy one and connect as external screen? |
| 09:25.04 | hrw | florian: thats my opinion (which was shared by some developers which used 770 since it was proto) |
| 09:25.08 | florian | Jaffa: But some Netbook packages and an old Thinkpad are a good idea. My son is ~2.5 years too... and I have an old Thinkpad without a proper job ;) |
| 09:25.28 | Jaffa | hrw: I've got a spare I'm using as a dual monitor setup on my desktop. We're doing a room shuffle in a few months in preparation for Jaffa Jr. 2, so'll be using one of them then |
| 09:25.41 | florian | hrw: I'm using my 770 for years without trouble... |
| 09:26.17 | Jaffa | florian: the ume-launcher which is clutter based is too slow, but using maximus to full-screen everything, the theme and the window switcher, set firefox to launch on startup and speed dial extension to show big friendly buttons of his favourite websites (e.g. bbc.co.uk/cbeebies/) |
| 09:26.49 | Jaffa | We were going to get him a trackball, but he's getting the hang of a mouse now (was dragging stuff yesterday to do a Flash jigsaw on the cbeebies site) |
| 09:27.23 | florian | heh |
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| 09:27.58 | hrw | florian: sure, there are things which 770 is able to do but many of them can also be handled by cellphone today |
| 09:28.01 | Jaffa | had to get the Flash 10 beta for the Flash video sites he uses to work, though. 9 was just too slow at refreshing :-( |
| 09:28.04 | florian | USB devices and an USB plug are a nece toy as well ;) |
| 09:28.18 | florian | eh nice |
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| 09:41.03 | murrayc | Aargh, maemo.org is down just as I want to see the acommodation page for the summit. |
| 09:49.13 | Jaffa | murrayc: doh |
| 09:52.22 | RST38h | :((( Geegle.com is already taken =((( |
| 09:52.37 | RST38h | Another brilliant business idea bites the dust! =) |
| 09:56.11 | lcuk2 | jaffa, you should get your little tangarine a touchscreen monitor (one of the saphire coated ones so it cant be broken) and show him what computers will be like soon :) (dont make him have gorilla arm though, lie it flat) |
| 09:56.29 | Jaffa | lcuk2: that's be cool. |
| 09:56.39 | Jaffa | goes to look for USB touchscreens |
| 09:56.46 | Jaffa | Or, a whole new monitor |
| 09:56.59 | lcuk2 | you can get a touchscreen overlay for cheap :) |
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| 09:58.01 | Jaffa | That'd probably work quite well when it's the laptop screen; may be tricky with a 17" desktop monitor |
| 09:58.23 | lcuk2 | lim always worried when little lcuk gets on my tablet, the first few times with lukes ds it was liuke he was mining the screen |
| 09:59.09 | Jaffa | Jaffa Jr. loves his (mum's) N810 and can navigate the bookmarks menu and stuff with the stylus. Likes TuxPaint, too. |
| 09:59.11 | lcuk2 | jaffa, get one from ebay aimed for EPOS systems, they are usually better more durable cabinets and geared towards laying flat / at an angle rather than upright |
| 09:59.30 | lcuk2 | jake like mahjong |
| 09:59.41 | Jaffa | Mrs. Jaffa wants the N900 to be announced at the summit so I can get one of them and she can have an N810 all to herself again |
| 09:59.45 | lcuk2 | and youtube |
| 09:59.52 | lcuk2 | lol |
| 10:00.17 | lcuk2 | my missus almost threw mine away :( |
| 10:03.49 | lcuk | bbl |
| 10:05.24 | GeneralAntilles | Veery interesting, dneary. |
| 10:05.49 | dneary | GeneralAntilles: Indeed |
| 10:06.32 | dneary | All about establishing a norm & culture, and querying interests, and facilitating newcomers & communication |
| 10:11.14 | RST38h | lcuk: She threw your n8x0 away? How do you survive now? |
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| 10:39.25 | Jaffa | Interesting. One of the lightning sessions on Friday is now "Sneak preview" by Yannick Pellet (Nokia) |
| 10:40.02 | GAN800 | Put baloo and his cameras as close to the stage as possible. |
| 10:40.17 | Jaffa | heh |
| 10:40.22 | X-Fade | Heh ;) |
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| 10:40.44 | Jaffa | We could just mug Yannick for whatever device he has ;-) |
| 10:40.52 | GAN800 | . . . and lcuk and his Nokian snatching bag right next to him. ;) |
| 10:40.58 | GAN800 | lol |
| 10:41.08 | GAN800 | Great minds. . . . |
| 10:41.18 | Jaffa | s/Great/Evil/ ;-) |
| 10:45.01 | lcuk | nokian snatching bag? |
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| 10:45.30 | lcuk | i might be from manchester but that doesnt make me a scally |
| 10:45.47 | GAN800 | It's for |
| 10:45.51 | GAN800 | a good cause |
| 10:52.52 | jott | is there actually someone live blogging from aris keynote? :) |
| 10:53.00 | jott | gizmodo style :p |
| 10:53.08 | Jaffa | may be too busy hanging on his every word. |
| 10:53.29 | Jaffa | If there's a net connection, I'll type into here as stuff happens; unless there's a better live-blogging type thing. |
| 10:53.34 | Jaffa | Twitter maybe? Never used it |
| 10:53.43 | jott | nah |
| 10:53.51 | jott | only nice thing would be pictures :) |
| 10:54.08 | Jaffa | Not with my crappy W850i's camera. |
| 10:54.10 | jott | irc should be fine as microblogging system ;) |
| 10:54.30 | jott | just get close enough ;) |
| 10:55.45 | lcuk | upload images as asciiart |
| 10:56.17 | jott | |[ ]| <- n900 |
| 10:56.17 | lcuk | when is his presentation? |
| 10:56.32 | GAN800 | Wednesday |
| 10:56.45 | lcuk | [ . : ] vulcan multitouch grip |
| 10:56.49 | Jaffa | lcuk, like "Ari was unhappy with the 770's user experience, :-(. Now, with Fremantle, Ari is happy: :-D" ? |
| 10:56.55 | GAN800 | lol |
| 10:57.19 | GAN800 | 'oh snappp! whats that hes got now??' |
| 10:57.27 | Jaffa | jott: aren't we hoping for a smaller bevel? [__] ? ;-) |
| 10:57.35 | jott | heh |
| 10:58.01 | jott | and a good dpad :) [+ ] :) |
| 10:58.05 | lcuk | profile shot showing its thinner than a mac air --- |
| 10:58.09 | Jaffa | hehe |
| 10:58.31 | GAN800 | It sure a better |
| 10:58.41 | GAN800 | It sure as hell better be. |
| 10:58.55 | Jaffa | Preferably look as pretty, too |
| 10:58.56 | lcuk | retains the slideout keyboard: |
| 10:59.00 | lcuk | [ ] |
| 10:59.00 | lcuk | qwert |
| 10:59.05 | Jaffa | heh |
| 10:59.10 | GAN800 | Stupid fingerkeyboards sends when I don't want it to and wont when I do. |
| 10:59.33 | lcuk | im VERY tempted to put this sliding key input method in |
| 10:59.37 | lcuk | but i know id get in trouble |
| 11:01.47 | RST38h | lcuk: so what happened with your tablet? |
| 11:02.07 | jott | lcuk: look at their patents and work around it :) |
| 11:02.10 | lcuk | nothin, she *wanted* to throw it away :) |
| 11:02.24 | Jaffa | lcuk: "sliding key input"? |
| 11:02.26 | lcuk | well my code will look nothing like their code |
| 11:02.36 | jott | lcuk: this swype thingy :) |
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| 11:02.48 | jott | erm Jaffa ^^^ |
| 11:03.09 | jott | lcuk: that has nothing to do with patents.. |
| 11:03.13 | jott | that's copyright ;) |
| 11:03.39 | lcuk | so they have patented a method to use the touchscreen stylus to accept strokes and turn them into words? |
| 11:04.03 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, you figure out screenshots yet? |
| 11:04.07 | GeneralAntilles | I still want to get that site up. :P |
| 11:04.09 | lcuk | we bought a touchscreen to do just that |
| 11:04.21 | GeneralAntilles | and, you know, it's not every project with a council member working on its website. :P ;) |
| 11:04.23 | lcuk | i was thinking about that earlier actually |
| 11:04.48 | Jaffa | looks at http://www.swypeinc.com/ for a video |
| 11:04.52 | lcuk | i think i can save png quite easily, if i get inclination i will - i want to save actual sketches anyway |
| 11:05.30 | Jaffa | lcuk: that can't be patented - I saw it years ago implemented as a Java applet. |
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| 11:06.58 | jott | Jaffa: you remember what it was called. this thing looked somehow familiar to me but i couldn't tell where from :) |
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| 11:07.18 | Jaffa | Hmm, it's not coming to mind |
| 11:07.25 | Jaffa | I'm sure it was discussed on ITT at well |
| 11:07.27 | Stskeeps | find some prior art so we can get it implemented as a h-i-m |
| 11:07.28 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:07.35 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 11:07.35 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: but yeah, i recall seeing something like this before |
| 11:07.58 | GeneralAntilles | The patent system is just screwed up enough these days that prior art probably wont actually have an effect. |
| 11:07.59 | jott | but even then, this could also be patented before and they bought the right/patent/patent holder what ever :P |
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| 11:10.47 | jott | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkFSGfe2NEQ |
| 11:10.47 | GeneralAntilles | looks at the Summit schedule. |
| 11:11.05 | Jaffa | hachi: http://www.almaden.ibm.com/u/zhai/topics/virtualkeyboard.htm |
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| 11:11.14 | Jaffa | IBM Research project called "SHARK" |
| 11:11.21 | Jaffa | From http://www.primidi.com/2005/07/16.html |
| 11:12.02 | GeneralAntilles | I'm thinking Reggie and Krisse's presentation is either going to be really interesting or really lame. |
| 11:12.10 | Jaffa | Ditto |
| 11:12.12 | jott | Jaffa: ah yeah indeed! |
| 11:12.15 | jott | thanks |
| 11:12.25 | jott | i think this was the one i had in mind ;) |
| 11:12.31 | Jaffa | is relieved to have found it - would've killed me if I couldn't find it. |
| 11:12.32 | Jaffa | me too |
| 11:13.08 | GeneralAntilles | Krisse's got a good finger on the pulse of users |
| 11:13.35 | GeneralAntilles | but it seems likely that it may just end up as a "we want PIM, we want a SIM card, we want iPhone things" |
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| 11:15.00 | hachi | Jaffa: I assume you mean to be telling someone else? |
| 11:15.07 | Jaffa | "We want Canola to replace Maemo" |
| 11:15.15 | GeneralAntilles | :shudder: |
| 11:15.25 | Jaffa | hachi: yes, sorry |
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| 11:15.45 | hachi | no worries, just wanted to make sure :) |
| 11:15.46 | Jaffa | did first letter <tab> and missed 'j' by a character |
| 11:15.51 | hachi | I tend to forget names :) |
| 11:16.05 | GeneralAntilles | Hadn't looked at the schedule in a while |
| 11:16.08 | GeneralAntilles | looks quite tasty |
| 11:19.24 | RST38h | lcuk: ufff |
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| 11:19.55 | RST38h | does not want Canola to replace Maemo |
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| 11:20.02 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 11:20.08 | GeneralAntilles | No, and it wont happen. |
| 11:20.09 | RST38h | Given how prone Canola is to hangups... |
| 11:20.24 | RST38h | Not before they do away with dbus for communications with the player, anyway |
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| 11:20.35 | Jaffa | Indeed. It's exemplar of fairly uninformed comments you sometimes get on ITT, though |
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| 11:21.03 | Jaffa | It shows a) a lack of understanding of the problems of an OS-wide UI; b) a misunderstanding of the difference between an OS/platform and an application/app framework. |
| 11:21.07 | RST38h | I am totally ok if a FIXED Canola replaces Maemo media player though |
| 11:21.27 | aquatix | RST38h: yeah |
| 11:21.33 | RST38h | Krisse is a Symbian guy, you should forgive him that |
| 11:21.43 | aquatix | rather likes the maemo `desktop' |
| 11:21.55 | RST38h | In Symbian, your "desktop" is nothing more than a scrollable list of 9 icons |
| 11:22.09 | RST38h | The rest is all apps |
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| 11:22.13 | aquatix | or a today screen |
| 11:22.32 | Jaffa | aquatix: it's getting there. I'm still not convinved about quite so many of the desktop metaphors being copied on such a physically small screen, but momentum seems to be in the right direction. I may be of a different opinion some time next week ;-) |
| 11:22.51 | aquatix | what would be awesome was to get my cellphone syncing with my n810 for contacts and agenda |
| 11:22.52 | RST38h | today screen is an app |
| 11:23.23 | aquatix | RST38h: maybe, but it's the default thing you see (standby screen) |
| 11:23.25 | RST38h | and it isn't the same across their phones, too |
| 11:23.30 | aquatix | or at least it is on my uiq3 phone |
| 11:23.36 | aquatix | true |
| 11:23.56 | RST38h | yea, but Nokia never claimed it to be a desktop, everybody in Symbian world treats it as an app |
| 11:24.15 | aquatix | rightly so, i guess |
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| 11:28.10 | jott | Jaffa: http://www.mrl.nyu.edu/projects/quikwriting/ <- was the other one i had in mind. |
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| 11:28.56 | Jaffa | I think I'd seen a version of that years ago - but the page was different so it could've been a similar, but different impl. |
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| 11:30.10 | jott | Jaffa: that's the one by ken perlin from 1999 :) |
| 11:30.45 | jott | (the input method not necessarily the site layout :) |
| 11:31.09 | jott | it's a bit different though. |
| 11:31.30 | jott | but still without lifting the pen. |
| 11:32.28 | jott | still there is probably a big patent cloud above all this :/ |
| 11:34.06 | jott | well we could just exclude the usa from any distribution channels :P |
| 11:36.52 | Stskeeps | jott: quikwriting already exists for maemo |
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| 11:55.51 | lcuk | jott, if its not released whos being harmed |
| 11:56.03 | lcuk | just wants to play |
| 11:56.20 | GeneralAntilles | jott, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3699 ? |
| 11:57.07 | lcuk | crap, i cant get 5 minutes today, back later |
| 11:58.22 | andre___ | 3699? context? (just took a look at that one) |
| 11:59.33 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, plenware. |
| 11:59.53 | GeneralAntilles | I still want to know what their angle is. |
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| 12:05.35 | Jaffa | jott: the IBM one's been published in a paper, so it won't be patented (/me knows the joys of the internals of IBM's patent system) |
| 12:06.17 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: would be interesting to see the totality of the bugs @plenware.com has touched |
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| 12:07.59 | GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&emailassigned_to1=1&emailreporter1=1&emailqa_contact1=1&emailcc1=1&emaillongdesc1=1&emailtype1=substring&email1=plenware.com |
| 12:08.02 | GeneralAntilles | Probably not everything |
| 12:08.08 | Jaffa | 36 according to a "one of ... contains" conains plenware. |
| 12:08.13 | Jaffa | https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&long_desc_type=substring&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&emailassigned_to1=1&emailreporter1=1&emailqa_contact1=1&emailcc1=1&emaillongdesc1=1&emailtype1=substring&email1=plenware&emailassigned |
| 12:08.28 | GeneralAntilles | Missing a few bug states. ;) |
| 12:08.42 | Jaffa | Of course. Numptu. |
| 12:08.59 | Jaffa | 64. Interesting variety. |
| 12:09.23 | GeneralAntilles | The test bugs are a nice touch. |
| 12:18.51 | andre___ | half of their comments are suitable deletion candidates |
| 12:19.57 | GeneralAntilles | I'm picturing them sitting in a sea of cubicles dicking around with tablets all day. |
| 12:20.08 | GeneralAntilles | I really, really wonder what they money behind it all is about. |
| 12:20.23 | GeneralAntilles | Meet the new Maemo UI team? :D |
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| 12:22.04 | Jaffa | :) |
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| 12:22.36 | lopz | buenos dias |
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| 12:31.34 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, think we can get around to electing a chair yet? |
| 12:32.01 | Jaffa | We should have a go - would be good to have that in the talk on Saturday. |
| 12:32.10 | Jaffa | First step: ask if anyone *doesn't* want to be the chair? |
| 12:32.30 | GeneralAntilles | Want to handle it on- or off-list? |
| 12:33.17 | Jaffa | My instinct says "off", but I suppose there's no reason it couldn't be on- (are people likely to chime in and say "I don't want /you/ to be chair" who aren't council?) |
| 12:33.38 | GeneralAntilles | Seems unlikely, but it's really an internal issue |
| 12:34.20 | Jaffa | It is. Should our default position - for now, at least - be everything open unless it's really private (like, where/when we go for food ;-)) |
| 12:34.37 | GeneralAntilles | That's my inclination. |
| 12:35.05 | Jaffa | is convinced it's better than any other alternative, despite the relative pros & cons |
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| 12:37.09 | GeneralAntilles | Unless it's sensitive or truly internal (like the chair selection), discussions should be open by default. |
| 12:38.53 | Jaffa | Isn't even the internal stuff being in the open good for two reasons: 1) the nebulous "transparency"; 2) setting an example for the /second/ council of what we're doing, how we're doing it, etc? |
| 12:39.20 | Jaffa | Would seem inefficient for the same discussions to *have* to happen next March. |
| 12:39.35 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, that's true. |
| 12:40.34 | Jaffa | Let's try doing the chair selection in public and see what happens. If it's a disaster, it can be the last time we do internal stuff in public ;-) |
| 12:40.48 | GeneralAntilles | Sounds perfectly reasonable to me. |
| 12:40.55 | GeneralAntilles | goes to draft the email. |
| 12:40.58 | Jaffa | Cos it's not really something important if it does get FUBAR |
| 12:40.59 | Jaffa | Ta. |
| 12:41.13 | Jaffa | 's in the middle of writing an evaluation for a particuarly tricky colleague. |
| 12:41.49 | GeneralAntilles | "hesuxhesuxhesuxhesux" |
| 12:42.08 | Jaffa | Not in /everything/, and I think I have to be more constructive than that ;-) |
| 12:42.19 | Jaffa | "He often keeps his beard trimmed" |
| 12:42.33 | GeneralAntilles | Ahahaha |
| 12:44.14 | GeneralAntilles | The chairperson's powers and responsibilities need to be figured out. |
| 12:45.46 | Jaffa | Easy stuff: 1) Chairing, scheduling & agendaing meetings; 2) setting the tone? 3) probably *not* directing the council - that'd should be more consensus based |
| 12:45.57 | Jaffa | Not imagining a lot of power, TBH |
| 12:46.10 | GeneralAntilles | Right |
| 12:46.28 | GeneralAntilles | I noticed some confusion about it in here the other day |
| 12:46.46 | Jaffa | Really? Didn't spot it myself; worth id |
| 12:46.52 | Jaffa | s/id/digging out a log URL?/ |
| 12:46.58 | Jaffa | Ha |
| 12:47.01 | GeneralAntilles | some people were under the impression that the chairperson was a "president" with real power. |
| 12:47.04 | Jaffa | Bad regexp-fu |
| 12:47.18 | Jaffa | Pfft. Nah. This is "chair" in a council sense, not a communist party sense ;-) |
| 12:47.27 | GeneralAntilles | Right |
| 12:47.36 | Jaffa | The council doesn't have much power, except in voice. How could the chair? ;-) |
| 12:47.41 | GeneralAntilles | But it's probably worth being specific about that. |
| 12:47.54 | Jaffa | Agreed. Nowt wrong with clarity |
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| 12:51.16 | Andymeows | does anyone have a solution for the flashing problem with Diablo? |
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| 12:53.21 | Jaffa | Andymeows: "flashing problem"? |
| 12:54.38 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm, any preference between chair/chairperson/chairman? |
| 12:54.43 | GeneralAntilles | I'm in favor of just "chair" myself. |
| 12:54.44 | Stskeeps | chairwoman |
| 12:54.45 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 12:54.57 | Andymeows | Jaffa: write failed after 0 bytes |
| 12:54.57 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: ditto. "chair" is, I think, the accepted business usage these days. |
| 12:55.10 | GeneralAntilles | chairslug |
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| 12:55.23 | Jaffa | Andymeows: Not seen it. As root? |
| 12:55.36 | GeneralAntilles | chairhe/she/it |
| 12:55.43 | Andymeows | yeah, then: usb_bulk_write: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 12:59.32 | RST38h | GAN: you can use "stool" |
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| 13:00.14 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, skip that and go straight to "feces"? :D |
| 13:00.32 | Andymeows | Jaffa, ok I restarted it and tried again and it worked |
| 13:00.38 | RST38h | GAN: too inelegant |
| 13:00.50 | Jaffa | Andymeows: cool ;-) |
| 13:01.00 | RST38h | It is sufficient to create this thought with the word play =) |
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| 13:14.43 | Stskeeps | btw, kudos to whoever made it easier to pop the battery on n810 |
| 13:14.43 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:16.01 | crashanddie | a little bit too easy sometimes |
| 13:16.25 | Stskeeps | true |
| 13:16.34 | Stskeeps | compared to fighting with it on n800.. |
| 13:16.34 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:16.48 | GeneralAntilles | Fight? |
| 13:16.53 | GeneralAntilles | It's easy as can be |
| 13:16.56 | GeneralAntilles | tap-tap |
| 13:17.03 | crashanddie | Just throw it from the 3rd floor |
| 13:17.30 | crashanddie | battery removal service, call 118 218 and say "N eight hundred" |
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| 13:29.54 | Talus46_n810 | greetings |
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| 13:41.33 | Talus46_n810 | so what's new? |
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| 13:43.32 | Jaffa | lo Talus46_n810 |
| 13:43.53 | Jaffa | Everyone's on tenter hooks for the summit |
| 13:44.13 | X-Fade | lol ;) |
| 13:44.21 | Talus46_n810 | really? |
| 13:44.30 | Talus46_n810 | where will it be? |
| 13:45.17 | Jaffa | Berlin. Next week. Even if the hype we're working ourselves up with falls flat (Ari's keynote, Fremantle announcements, etc. etc.) it'll be good to put names to faces; see lots of cool stuff & drink some beer |
| 13:45.38 | woglinde | yes our good german beer |
| 13:45.42 | ccooke | is anything important expected at the summit? |
| 13:45.43 | GeneralAntilles | still wants to pull a Cartman. |
| 13:45.49 | GeneralAntilles | Too bad it's still summer. . . . |
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| 13:46.08 | Mek | what is 'to pull a Cartman'? :) |
| 13:46.13 | Talus46_n810 | hehe |
| 13:46.20 | GeneralAntilles | Mek, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_God_Go |
| 13:46.29 | Jaffa | ccooke: It's expected that Maemo 5 (Fremantle) will be announced, with more detail. It's also looking like it's possible there'll be an N900 announcement. |
| 13:46.40 | Talus46_n810 | well i'm sad because i can't go next week |
| 13:46.44 | GeneralAntilles | Mek, paragraphs 1 and 4 of the Plot summary. |
| 13:46.51 | ccooke | Jaffa: okay. All sounds good. |
| 13:46.53 | Jaffa | The former's a dead cert. The latter, possibly wishful interpretation of various comments. |
| 13:46.57 | Mek | :) ah yeah, saw that episode... |
| 13:47.05 | Talus46_n810 | nice n900 |
| 13:47.07 | Jaffa | The Fremantle stuff'll possibly be more important. |
| 13:47.23 | Talus46_n810 | will it have a powerfull cpu? |
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| 13:48.28 | _Shurik_ | Hola fellow maemo-ists |
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| 13:48.45 | Jaffa | If it comes, it'll be powerfull*er* probably. |
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| 13:49.07 | GeneralAntilles | OMAP3430, if anything. |
| 13:49.25 | Talus46_n810 | nice |
| 13:49.33 | Talus46_n810 | a 3G? |
| 13:50.27 | GeneralAntilles | Sure as hell hope not. |
| 13:50.34 | GeneralAntilles | There's practically no chance of it, anyway. |
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| 13:58.27 | ccooke | wonders what sort of improvement would be expected on an omap3430 |
| 13:58.53 | Stskeeps | ccooke: online porn will be running more smoothly in browser.. |
| 13:58.54 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:59.11 | Jaffa | It currently... sticks? |
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| 13:59.19 | GeneralAntilles | ccooke, TI has a website. |
| 13:59.24 | GeneralAntilles | Compare the stats to the OMAP2420 |
| 13:59.41 | ccooke | GeneralAntilles: I am... |
| 13:59.58 | ccooke | GeneralAntilles: but that's marketing :-) |
| 14:01.01 | ccooke | although at least it can power the screen... |
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| 14:01.47 | GeneralAntilles | Much faster with the same battery life figures. |
| 14:02.08 | ccooke | Now that would be impressive. |
| 14:02.20 | GeneralAntilles | Eh, technology gets better over time |
| 14:02.35 | GeneralAntilles | The OMAP2420 is 2006 tech |
| 14:02.39 | ccooke | yeah, and every now and then it's nice to acknowledge the fact :-) |
| 14:02.44 | GeneralAntilles | We're going ARM11 -> Cortex A8 |
| 14:02.48 | Jaffa | Hopefully, given TI are being more open in the OMAP3 range we'll get more of the hardware used, too :) |
| 14:03.24 | ccooke | Does anyone think there's a possibility (or even a need for) a higher resolution screen? |
| 14:03.41 | Jaffa | It'd be nice, but it'd have to be physically bigger too, I think. |
| 14:04.00 | Jaffa | Now there's some room for that in an N810 form factor, but I don't think it'll happen any time soon |
| 14:04.00 | GeneralAntilles | I might go for a ~4.5" 1024x600 |
| 14:04.05 | ccooke | Jaffa: They do XGA screens in roughly the same size, now |
| 14:04.09 | GeneralAntilles | Depending on how they work the size and shape |
| 14:04.33 | _Shurik_ | I'm observing conversations in #maemo and #iphone. #maemo talks CPU and XGA screens |
| 14:04.39 | _Shurik_ | #iphone talks silicone cases |
| 14:04.41 | _Shurik_ | :-D |
| 14:04.52 | Jaffa | ccooke: I'm with GA, it'd have to at least 4.5", I think. Of course, doesn't mean everything'd be smaller. |
| 14:04.58 | ccooke | _Shurik_: on the other hand, #iphone have a consumer-ready device. |
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| 14:05.11 | Jaffa | ccooke: we're (supposedly) only one step away... |
| 14:05.16 | inz | ccooke, and silicone cases |
| 14:05.24 | ccooke | Jaffa: two steps, IIRC |
| 14:05.29 | GeneralAntilles | I wouldn't have any issue with 4.1 at 1024x600 |
| 14:05.32 | _Shurik_ | yes but of course there's planty of problems with it too |
| 14:05.36 | _Shurik_ | so I'm keeping both |
| 14:06.16 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: i.e. same physical size as now. Depends how much consistency and usability fremantle brings without just making everything bigger |
| 14:06.55 | ccooke | is somewhat surprised to hear about Fremantle |
| 14:07.03 | ccooke | Diablo's barely released |
| 14:07.12 | GeneralAntilles | Er |
| 14:07.18 | GeneralAntilles | Diablo's a dinky maintenance release. |
| 14:07.39 | ccooke | Point. |
| 14:07.52 | GeneralAntilles | OS2008 is about 10 months old |
| 14:08.03 | GeneralAntilles | Major OS releases are yearly |
| 14:08.06 | dneary | Do you know where maemo.org/downloads comes in the Google search for "Nokia N810 software download"? |
| 14:08.15 | _Shurik_ | I haven't updated to Diablo yet. Is there a really good reson to? |
| 14:08.16 | GeneralAntilles | Fremantle is planned to have more community involvement in its development |
| 14:08.31 | GeneralAntilles | Nothing surprising at all. |
| 14:08.51 | GeneralAntilles | _Shurik_, just update, you're at least two revisions behind. |
| 14:09.12 | _Shurik_ | Kinda scared. Haven't had any issues with Chinook |
| 14:09.21 | _Shurik_ | but you're probably right... might as well |
| 14:09.59 | ccooke | is diablo the first mainentance release they did? |
| 14:10.13 | ccooke | (as in, the first non-full-yearly version?) |
| 14:10.35 | GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo_(operating_system)#Release_history |
| 14:10.57 | Jaffa | ccooke: short answer, no. |
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| 14:11.11 | dneary | Weird: |
| 14:11.13 | ccooke | hum. |
| 14:11.22 | mavhc | I want a case where the front (clear) flips behind the back and acts as a stand somehow |
| 14:11.26 | dneary | When I search for "site:http://maemo.org Nokia N810 software download", the download page is the 4th choice |
| 14:11.41 | dneary | 2 news pages and HOWTO FlashLatest... from the old wiki come first |
| 14:11.59 | dneary | The downloads page without the "site:" qualifier is even worse |
| 14:12.08 | dneary | It's not on the first 10 pages |
| 14:12.40 | brontide | searching for API docs almost always brings you to v 3.1 docs |
| 14:13.06 | GeneralAntilles | mavhc, the tablets already have built-in stands. . . . |
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| 14:13.32 | GeneralAntilles | dneary, can you delete those flashing howtos from the old wiki? |
| 14:13.49 | dneary | GeneralAntilles: Probably |
| 14:14.03 | brontide | searching for "n810 firmware" is even worse |
| 14:15.29 | Jaffa | Need to start Google bombing, perhaps |
| 14:16.03 | brontide | Need to clean up the site |
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| 14:18.12 | GeneralAntilles | By the way, brontide, really nice work on the schedule. It looks good. |
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| 14:19.00 | Jaffa | Agreed |
| 14:19.16 | brontide | I'm sorry you won't be there... I would have been nice to argue semantics over a few pints. |
| 14:19.22 | Jaffa | Hmm, just noticed on Saturday: 12:30 "Nokia & Productivity tools" |
| 14:19.55 | Jaffa | And, at the same time, Clutter - in the "core platform" track |
| 14:20.26 | brontide | Gah... don't tell me there is a presentor conflict |
| 14:20.36 | mavhc | GeneralAntilles: I know, but they don't work when in a case |
| 14:20.39 | Jaffa | No, just me wanting to be in two places at the same time :) |
| 14:21.09 | GeneralAntilles | ^ I would die trying to work that one out. |
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| 14:21.48 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: best not being there after all ;-) |
| 14:22.08 | GeneralAntilles | Likely. ;) |
| 14:23.35 | dneary | gronmayer? |
| 14:23.39 | brontide | Why doesn't the maemo.org logo on the wiki link to somewhere? |
| 14:23.40 | dneary | bot? |
| 14:23.43 | brontide | like the homepage |
| 14:23.54 | GeneralAntilles | brontide, it did for a while |
| 14:23.55 | dneary | It links to maemo.org (or should do) |
| 14:24.00 | GeneralAntilles | I think was a recent change. |
| 14:24.01 | Jaffa | it does. |
| 14:24.03 | Jaffa | just checked. |
| 14:24.04 | murrayc | dneary: Will you put an SVG of the logo up somewhere? |
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| 14:24.19 | dneary | murrayc: I believe that one was mailed to the community list |
| 14:24.20 | brontide | no linky here |
| 14:24.23 | Jaffa | Hmm, screenshot for the current pearl (Evince) is a Linux desktop screenshot |
| 14:24.29 | Mek | brontide: I guess there are no more lightning talk slots available on saturday for a quick talk about kde-on-maemo? :P |
| 14:24.29 | dneary | I have the last-but-one revision, I believe |
| 14:24.52 | dneary | Community file storage and content management - there's a problem space that we're not good at yet |
| 14:24.54 | GeneralAntilles | <div class="grouplogo"> |
| 14:24.54 | GeneralAntilles | <img src="http://maemo.org/midcom-static/style_maemo2007/maemo-logo.gif" title="Maemo.org" alt="Maemo" /> |
| 14:24.54 | GeneralAntilles | </div> |
| 14:24.56 | murrayc | I'm not following it enough to know what's the correct image. |
| 14:25.23 | brontide | Mek: put yourself down on the waitlist... right now we have 30 minutes and 6 5 minute Lightning sessions |
| 14:25.43 | Jaffa | sees frogmetrics.com from the agenda - looks interesting. |
| 14:25.57 | GeneralAntilles | I wanna see the police car N810s |
| 14:26.39 | brontide | The description is slightly different from what he emailed me... his talk will focus a little more on 3rd party development on the platform |
| 14:28.07 | brontide | Jaffa: On the top of the wiki is a maemo.org graphical logo. It does not link anywhere... at least under firefox3 |
| 14:28.26 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, ping. |
| 14:28.36 | Jaffa | brontide: at the top-left corner, where the wikipedia logo is on http://en.wikipedia.org/ ? |
| 14:28.42 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Yep |
| 14:28.54 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, can you linkify that image again? :P |
| 14:29.06 | X-Fade | I didn't change it ;) |
| 14:29.20 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, you using the maemo.org theme for the wiki? |
| 14:29.31 | brontide | top left ( I have a wikipedia skin so it's not there for me ) |
| 14:29.32 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, I swear it used to be a link to maemo.org |
| 14:29.55 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: ah no, it was using Monobook on this machine. |
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| 14:30.04 | Jaffa | Yes. Now I see it :-) |
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| 14:35.59 | brontide | Mek: I'm pretty sure there will be some suffling when people arrive so there is a good chance you can do your demo |
| 14:37.35 | Jaffa | And there'll always be breaks & stuff |
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| 14:38.47 | lcuk | jaffa, frogmetrics, they are the ones who send n810s into a company, do a whole survey and have results on managers workstation live as it happens |
| 14:39.37 | lcuk | (at least thats the impression i got - it might not be that live, but they needed deployment of mobile wifi basestation to get results from users in realtime |
| 14:39.59 | Jaffa | lcuk: indeed; looks effective |
| 14:40.01 | lcuk | was very interested by the information and demonstration he saw :) |
| 14:41.19 | lcuk | ok, we NEED a very quick bluetooith business card transfer program for at the summit |
| 14:41.46 | lcuk | or are people sticking with original printed cards (i havent got any :() |
| 14:42.26 | lcuk | cack! i need to go again |
| 14:42.31 | lcuk | cant get comfy today |
| 14:42.32 | Jaffa | only got my work ones, will bring some - might meet someone willing to pay me a fortune to do very little |
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| 14:48.09 | Jaffa | For anyone staying in the same hotel as me (Mercure Mitte), here's a handy PDF combining hotel info, directions & Google map: http://bleb.org/misc/mercure-mitte.pdf |
| 14:48.58 | _Shurik_ | I'm sorry, where is that event taking place? |
| 14:49.31 | mgedmin | c-base, berlin, germany |
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| 14:50.21 | _Shurik_ | oh okay. Far far away |
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| 14:52.59 | Stskeeps | goes try to build dropbox for deblet |
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| 15:08.25 | Jaffa | SkyHook's made Slashdot: http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/12/1255218 |
| 15:09.47 | GeneralAntilles | That seems like a bit of a privacy invasion. |
| 15:11.05 | Jaffa | Yeah, but now Maemo Mapper - for example - could use the API to get loc data without a GPS connection. |
| 15:11.22 | Jaffa | Or we can use it with AGPS Beta to better enrich the gpsd data |
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| 15:12.33 | Jaffa | Or, more likely, SkyHook'll change the username & password |
| 15:13.12 | Jaffa | Doesn't know mine. |
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| 15:19.37 | Stskeeps | gah.. fuckers - dropbox has a closed source daemon binary |
| 15:19.40 | Stskeeps | but open source client |
| 15:20.34 | lcuk | stskeeps, thats flase advertising - its like entering a brothel to find out they only have grotmags |
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| 15:26.36 | Stskeeps | yeah, i prodded them to make an armel port |
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| 15:42.15 | brontide | is iwlist in any of the standard repos? |
| 15:44.46 | AStorm | no, there's no good support in the driver |
| 15:45.02 | AStorm | the driver doesn't support wireless extensions correctly |
| 15:45.14 | brontide | curse you cx3110x |
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| 15:46.21 | GAN800 | Just be thankful you can connect to wifi at all. :D |
| 15:48.56 | GAN800 | It's too bad there really aren't any decent open source friendly wifi chips. |
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| 15:51.56 | RST38h | http://www.ljplus.ru/img4/g/r/greentroll/bitch.jpg |
| 15:58.30 | ||cw | RST38h: where is that? |
| 16:00.05 | RST38h | Korea |
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| 16:00.19 | RST38h | my guess is that they tried to spell "beach" |
| 16:01.51 | brontide | engrish is always good for a laugh |
| 16:02.29 | RST38h | takes some effort to get words exactly wrong though =) |
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| 17:00.47 | lcuk | i have just made the missus very happy, ive just said the words shes always wanted to hear, but never expected me to say: "Go to ikea..." |
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| 17:34.36 | lbt | "That looks dangerous"..... "It should be OK, I saw it work in a cartoon once..." |
| 17:35.22 | glass | what? chrome? |
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| 17:43.08 | bef0rd | lol |
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| 17:46.44 | AStorm | GAN800: there are, Atheros |
| 17:46.45 | AStorm | :) |
| 17:50.21 | summatusmentis | lcuk: it's all downhill from there |
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| 18:01.33 | Alystair | is there a way to rotate the screen on the 770? |
| 18:01.51 | Alystair | In many cases I'd prefer a longer screen |
| 18:04.39 | rm_you_ | rotation support for the 770 WAS possible... things went weird tho at some point |
| 18:04.49 | rm_you_ | and currently the method we use doesn't work, I believe :/ |
| 18:05.00 | RST38h | http://gizmodo.com/5049061/hp-exploring-shift-to-linux-in-order-to-bypass-vista-compete-with-apple |
| 18:05.02 | RST38h | Hehe |
| 18:05.05 | rm_you_ | though if you are running an older OS, there should be information about how to do that online |
| 18:05.20 | elekt | you're not missing much alystair |
| 18:05.22 | RST38h | moo, rm_you |
| 18:05.34 | rm_you | m00 |
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| 19:05.02 | RST38h | so quiet |
| 19:05.12 | RST38h | is it friday> |
| 19:05.20 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 19:05.54 | jott | everybody just pretends to be afk and on a party :P |
| 19:06.11 | RST38h | yea, right... |
| 19:06.20 | RST38h | +6oC outside, wind and rain |
| 19:06.59 | jott | grab yourself a cocktail and enjoy the weather. |
| 19:07.10 | jott | (or just pretend :) |
| 19:08.05 | lcuk | im building a chair |
| 19:08.05 | Stskeeps | is going to spend an evening debianizing deblet :/ |
| 19:08.10 | lcuk | :| |
| 19:08.26 | RST38h | jott: that's basically what I am doing |
| 19:08.35 | lcuk | and later i will be recreating liqbase from the ground up |
| 19:08.52 | RST38h | has added universal "show framerate" option to all the emulators and is looking at /dev/fb0 usage |
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| 19:09.45 | lcuk | RST38h, :) i now know 100% i can get fullscreen full resolution scaleblit in 25fps :) |
| 19:10.09 | RST38h | yoooo... |
| 19:10.19 | RST38h | wait...did you say SCALEblit? =) |
| 19:11.12 | lcuk | yes |
| 19:11.24 | lcuk | i added alpha blitting since, but thats a bit slower |
| 19:12.02 | RST38h | what size is the source image then? |
| 19:12.34 | moontiger | what scale-blit code are you using? |
| 19:12.54 | lcuk | RST38h, smaller or larger - doesnt actually matter |
| 19:13.08 | RST38h | it can't |
| 19:13.13 | RST38h | has to matter somehow |
| 19:14.50 | lcuk | not really - i recurse through the dest pixels - i occasionally increment the source pointer to skip pixels but thats about it |
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| 19:15.24 | lcuk | if its a small image i inc less, if its large more - but they are in reg adds only (i assume the compiler does it stuff in a little tight loop) |
| 19:17.14 | RST38h | oh, you scale down |
| 19:21.59 | lcuk | RST38h, scale down or up :) |
| 19:23.37 | RST38h | hm |
| 19:23.42 | jott | nearest-neighbor interpolation so to speak :) |
| 19:23.53 | RST38h | on the other hand your destination is always the same size |
| 19:23.59 | lcuk | no, bresham algo turned to bitmap scaling |
| 19:24.00 | RST38h | so yea, you will have roughly the same time |
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| 19:24.24 | jott | lcuk: well not much of a different... |
| 19:24.29 | lcuk | and i slightly overstated - its 23fps |
| 19:24.43 | lcuk | i just tested with large and small images |
| 19:24.57 | lcuk | no noticable difference |
| 19:25.35 | lcuk | (i had a strip at the top which was not being rendered (info bar) i just removed it |
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| 19:26.35 | Jaffa | eughs. Too much food & wine. |
| 19:26.48 | jott | still celebrating jaffa? :P |
| 19:27.23 | Jaffa | Brother going back to uni |
| 19:27.34 | lcuk | never enough wine |
| 19:27.35 | lcuk | or bacon |
| 19:27.49 | Jaffa | Both brothers have girlfriends. All sorts of celebrations |
| 19:27.57 | lcuk | laughs evily cos he knows something you lot dont about next week |
| 19:28.21 | Jaffa | We had chicken in red wine, with gammon strips & red wine. |
| 19:28.26 | Jaffa | lcuk: oh? |
| 19:28.31 | jott | ari will announce the next itos will be based on liqbase :D |
| 19:28.37 | Jaffa | ha |
| 19:28.47 | lcuk | :D itos?? liqit |
| 19:29.10 | lcuk | has been create q*.c classes this week |
| 19:29.21 | Jaffa | psh |
| 19:29.30 | lcuk | im sick of typing liq* |
| 19:29.38 | lcuk | it makes everything long |
| 19:30.10 | lcuk | i really hope we get some more powerful hardware cos i wanna see what i can do with c++ |
| 19:31.02 | jott | liqimage* liqimage_liqscalers_liqliqscale_liqme(liqimage *i, liqnumber w, liqnumber h) :P |
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| 19:33.10 | lcuk | heh, scarily close |
| 19:33.10 | lcuk | liqimage *imgback = liqimage_createfromfilejpeg("marble_dark_400_240.jpg"); |
| 19:34.03 | lcuk | cliprect_drawimageblendcolor(cr,self->backimage,x,y,w,h,cy); |
| 19:34.21 | jott | no liqcliprect? :d |
| 19:34.38 | jott | what is wrong with you??? |
| 19:34.47 | lcuk | lol - there was but double barrelled classes seem wrong that way |
| 19:34.48 | jott | liqs lcuk |
| 19:34.59 | jott | hehe |
| 19:35.04 | lcuk | gives classes 2 names only |
| 19:37.00 | derf | 15:30:10 < lcuk> i really hope we get some more powerful hardware cos i wanna see what i can do with c++ |
| 19:37.18 | derf | You want to make slow, bloated libraries that are difficult to program for? |
| 19:37.49 | lcuk | not at all - i will never stop trying to code small distinct funcional classes |
| 19:38.07 | lcuk | but i am sick of having to put 2 pages of boilerplate down before i can work |
| 19:38.57 | lcuk | ive just incorporated reference counting and subclassing (to a degree) and now dont need to worrk about releasing stuff later and double frees and stuff |
| 19:39.28 | derf | So, basically, the opposite of small and distinct? |
| 19:40.14 | lcuk | no, but if i have created a tree of objects and on each node I might be storing (lets say) a style structure. who frees it if i use it on 2 nodes? |
| 19:41.58 | derf | So by no, you mean yes. |
| 19:42.03 | lcuk | do i go to a database type system where all instances are allocated and memorized centrally? do i get double frees because both leave it open? do i get memory leaks because both assume the other will? |
| 19:42.45 | lcuk | no derf - this is boilerplate around 2 functions - the rest of the structure is exactly as it was (with 3 or 4 members and a few functions) |
| 19:43.21 | derf | Two pages of boilerplate for two functions? That's some serious boilerplate. |
| 19:45.12 | lcuk | yes, 1 for the actual alloc and free, and another to declare the header - im not gonna perlify it for the sake of space |
| 19:45.27 | lcuk | its just annoying to have to put stuff like this that i can get for free in c++ |
| 19:45.42 | derf | Nothing comes for free in C++. |
| 19:46.08 | lcuk | which is why ill probably end up making myself a preprocessor :) a new cfront |
| 19:46.20 | derf | For two functions! |
| 19:46.39 | derf | It's probably better than using C++, anyway. |
| 19:46.41 | lcuk | theres a few other things i can gain whilst im at it |
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| 19:47.11 | derf | At least you won't make other people's lives miserable with a preprocessor. |
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| 19:49.44 | RST38h | added the frame buffer support |
| 19:49.50 | RST38h | No idea if it is gonna work though |
| 19:50.47 | lcuk | is this rgb? |
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| 19:57.48 | RST38h | yea |
| 19:57.59 | RST38h | Actually, it gets interesting there |
| 19:58.08 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.21 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.39 | RST38h | Rebooting to Linsux to try it |
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| 20:04.29 | mikma | so, i changed some led-settings with gconftool. how can i now "execute" the changes so they will actually work? |
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| 20:07.17 | RST38h | hey, lcuk, where do I get omapfb.h? |
| 20:07.41 | lcuk | theres a few places i found it in and none were the same, but generally its in the kernel |
| 20:08.04 | lcuk | i tihnk ive got about 10 different variations here |
| 20:09.29 | RST38h | got it from stage |
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| 20:31.26 | lbt | in my gtk application everything is too small to be finger friendly... how do I make things larger? Isn't that normally a desktop theme issue? |
| 20:33.43 | ToyKeeper | lbt: Depends what "everything" is. For example, you can put padding around the contents of buttons to make the buttons bigger... |
| 20:34.37 | lbt | can I? yes. Would it suck? yes :) |
| 20:34.49 | lbt | everything is the font |
| 20:34.57 | lbt | the checkboxes |
| 20:35.06 | lbt | the menubar buttons |
| 20:35.16 | lbt | the combobox |
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| 20:35.46 | lbt | (I already hacked the menubar combobutton so the button as well as the arrow pop up the menu) |
| 20:36.16 | lbt | I basically want to scale all the gui items to some degree |
| 20:36.52 | lbt | (I'd also like to colour them too - I've not even looked at that yet though) |
| 20:37.00 | ToyKeeper | For a menubar, hildon has a different call than regular GTK, to make it fit with the rest of the theme. |
| 20:38.29 | lbt | in general do you know how I'd approach it? |
| 20:38.30 | RST38h | lcuk: Ok, it does not crash but looks like I am missing something |
| 20:38.34 | RST38h | I do not see the video |
| 20:38.39 | ToyKeeper | Basically, the main window is a "hildon.Window()" instead of a "gtk.Window()", and the menubar is set with "window.set_menu(my_menus)". |
| 20:38.50 | RST38h | Screen stays black |
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| 20:39.07 | lcuk | are you opening a black x window to coverthe main desktop? |
| 20:39.17 | RST38h | I do this: |
| 20:39.18 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.18 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.18 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.18 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.23 | RST38h | In full screen mode |
| 20:39.24 | lbt | Oh, I'm fine with the menubar - everyhing is functional |
| 20:39.32 | RST38h | Is there anything else I have to do? |
| 20:39.45 | dystopia | phone customer support, tell them your phone is dying, then toss it down from the roof |
| 20:39.51 | lcuk | so you have created the main x11 window to cover everything up (otherwise you get bleed through from desktop applets updating..) |
| 20:39.59 | lcuk | this is set to fullscreen and black |
| 20:40.30 | RST38h | nah, I do not have the main x11 window |
| 20:40.40 | ToyKeeper | lbt: Maybe I just have pointier fingers, but I've found the maemo widgets to be plenty big for finger use, even after reducing the font size. |
| 20:40.57 | RST38h | Just switch to full screen mode, that s all |
| 20:40.58 | lcuk | then if its going black you are blitting something wrong - ie you are initialising something |
| 20:41.06 | lbt | mmm - not really the answer I was looking for :) |
| 20:41.15 | lcuk | you say switch to fullscreen mode - the fb is always fullscreen |
| 20:41.18 | RST38h | Do you mean the two ioctl()s from above are sufficient to blit? |
| 20:41.25 | ToyKeeper | lbt: A screenshot might explain faster. |
| 20:41.31 | RST38h | Well, I am telling OSSO that I am switching to full screen :) |
| 20:41.46 | lcuk | do it without the sync itself - it will tear but if its holding something up ytou will see |
| 20:41.54 | lbt | well, right now my tablet appears somewhat unhappy |
| 20:41.57 | lcuk | most likely its the way you have initiialised the mode |
| 20:42.07 | lbt | if you have extras-devel then get shopper |
| 20:42.17 | ToyKeeper | lbt: I'm not sure if I can really help, but it helps to be looking at the same thing. :) |
| 20:42.17 | lbt | see for yourself |
| 20:42.37 | lbt | I'd appreciate it :) |
| 20:42.40 | lcuk | lbt, thats why i build from the top down - start with fullscreen and subdivide :) |
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| 20:42.48 | RST38h | ok, here is my init code: |
| 20:42.53 | lcuk | pastebin |
| 20:43.07 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:43.19 | lcuk | lbt, even in gtk i do it that way - i dont use toolbars, i make a button strip |
| 20:43.23 | lbt | lcuk: I was trying to learn "the maemo way" |
| 20:43.24 | lcuk | it sizes things within it |
| 20:43.36 | lbt | the toolbar is the least of my worries |
| 20:43.39 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:43.39 | RST38h | MAP_SHARED,FBFD,0); |
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| 20:43.46 | RST38h | pixels are 16bit |
| 20:43.51 | lbt | I'm mainly interested in the checkboxes, label fonts etc |
| 20:43.53 | RST38h | Is this how I should do it? |
| 20:44.16 | lcuk | RST38h, no, you should ask omap for the memory ifiak |
| 20:44.34 | lcuk | lemme just dig |
| 20:45.19 | RST38h | Ah! |
| 20:45.25 | RST38h | tellme tellme tellme |
| 20:46.00 | lcuk | call FBIOGET_FSCREENINFO and obtain the required size |
| 20:46.09 | lcuk | then use that returned size for the call to mmap |
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| 20:46.17 | RST38h | I am pretty sure 800*480*2 should do |
| 20:46.25 | RST38h | but what about the mmap address? |
| 20:46.41 | lcuk | i know yours may be getting the right size somewhere - but if you have miscalculated or its not the same internally you will go wrong |
| 20:46.54 | jott | RST38h: hmm. this should work actually.. |
| 20:47.00 | RST38h | yes but not badly right? |
| 20:47.35 | jott | RST38h: are you sure your update window is right? |
| 20:47.46 | lcuk | omapfb_screen_update(0,0, winW,winH, winW,winH, out_omapfb_format); |
| 20:47.49 | RST38h | dunno - I have quoted the update code before |
| 20:48.00 | RST38h | mmm? is there a function like that? |
| 20:48.02 | jott | yeah but i mean the FBUpdate |
| 20:48.13 | RST38h | Ok. Here it is: |
| 20:49.55 | lcuk | how are you initializing fbupdate and the flags within it |
| 20:49.57 | jott | the mmap returns something sane, right? (not MAP_FAILED) |
| 20:50.09 | jott | he's looking for it :) |
| 20:50.11 | lcuk | its the flags thats at fault here |
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| 20:51.43 | lcuk | mplayer uses this method for updating :) |
| 20:51.50 | jott | i use it too :D |
| 20:52.44 | jott | but actually it just needs x,y,width,height,out_x,out_y,out_width,out_height,format (which i set to 0) |
| 20:52.47 | lcuk | what are you playin with now? |
| 20:52.52 | lbt | bollocks - OK, my tablet isn't responding to touch properly. It makes a sound and touch when booting to Deblet is fine. But my diablo install is buggered |
| 20:53.01 | jott | lcuk: oh i played with fb stuff some time ago.. |
| 20:53.05 | lbt | any idea what might be wrong? |
| 20:53.07 | lcuk | if (tearsync_flag) update.format |= OMAPFB_FORMAT_FLAG_TEARSYNC; |
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| 20:53.11 | lcuk | mplayer :) |
| 20:53.20 | ToyKeeper | lbt: I know this doesn't help, but it works fine for me... the only issues I had were missing features to edit or delete items. |
| 20:53.36 | lbt | ToyKeeper: oh it all works |
| 20:53.44 | lcuk | it actually sounmds like its using different memory |
| 20:53.46 | lbt | add items is easy - click the + button |
| 20:53.55 | lbt | press and hold an item to edit |
| 20:54.06 | lbt | (both available from the menu too) |
| 20:54.22 | lcuk | jott - i touched it for about 2 weeks right at the start |
| 20:54.24 | lbt | however try wandering around a supermarket holding it in one hand |
| 20:54.50 | lbt | I want about 5 items visible and to use my thumb to stab at the screen :) |
| 20:55.02 | lbt | (and this is real-world user feedback too) |
| 20:55.03 | ToyKeeper | Ah, the items were hiding behind a touch/hold menu. :) |
| 20:55.06 | lcuk | calls this effect visiblefromorbit |
| 20:55.07 | lbt | yes |
| 20:55.27 | lbt | thinks lcuk is right |
| 20:55.54 | lcuk | i really dont see why all of hildon is designed to use smallest features |
| 20:55.55 | lbt | think Fischer-Price.... |
| 20:56.00 | lcuk | we are not on a desktop and need big things |
| 20:56.04 | lbt | Big colourful buttons |
| 20:56.12 | lcuk | like liqbase has :) |
| 20:56.14 | lbt | that you can hit with a plastic hammer |
| 20:56.22 | lcuk | gets a plastic mallet |
| 20:56.26 | lbt | (lcuk I'm going to port it I swear) |
| 20:56.44 | lbt | just give me a C++ interface... |
| 20:56.55 | lcuk | im surprised you cannot replace the list with a custom one built out of labels |
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| 20:57.00 | lcuk | you say this is slow though |
| 20:57.01 | Grackle | If anyone is interested in an N800, I just put mine on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT |
| 20:57.18 | Havi | invalid item |
| 20:57.18 | lbt | well, I don't know why it's slow - I've not profiled it yet |
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| 20:57.25 | lcuk | lbt, you mean: #ifdef __cplusplus |
| 20:57.25 | lcuk | extern "C" { |
| 20:57.25 | lcuk | #endif |
| 20:57.28 | lbt | I'm using callbacks extensively |
| 20:57.32 | ToyKeeper | lbt: You can edit $HOME/.osso/current-gtk-theme to change the font size, but it gets overwritten each boot and affects all programs. |
| 20:57.33 | Grackle | Havi, oh, I just listed it, maybe it's not really up yet. |
| 20:57.59 | Grackle | Er, no, I just cut off the wrong part of the url. >.>; |
| 20:57.59 | lbt | ToyKeeper: and I really just want my app to change - I'm not rude |
| 20:57.59 | Grackle | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150294101560 |
| 20:58.31 | lbt | liqbase->init(NOW); |
| 20:58.34 | lcuk | lbt, its a purely functional api - its not perfect and new layers get inserted all the time but its fun building something like this :) |
| 20:58.55 | lcuk | int canvas_init(int pixelwidth,int pixelheight,int rotationangle,int fullscreen); |
| 20:58.57 | ToyKeeper | Really, maemo should allow the user to configure GTK fonts, preferably on a per-app basis. I had to override an init script just to keep it from clobbering my config. |
| 20:58.59 | lcuk | like that you mean :P |
| 20:59.15 | lbt | indeed (lcuk and ToyKeeper) |
| 20:59.48 | lcuk | lbt, i try to write everything as a function and to give objects a lifespan |
| 20:59.59 | lbt | OK - new topic... why is my tablet broke? |
| 21:00.07 | lcuk | just because im not writing in c++ doesnt mean i cant take advantage of things :) |
| 21:00.09 | lcuk | whats broke? |
| 21:00.17 | lbt | touch |
| 21:00.22 | lbt | it's kinda broke |
| 21:00.31 | lbt | it clicks on touch |
| 21:00.35 | jott | lbt: messed with /etc/ts.conf by any chance? :) |
| 21:00.41 | lbt | ah |
| 21:00.43 | lbt | erm |
| 21:00.47 | lbt | <blush> |
| 21:00.56 | lbt | goes away |
| 21:01.26 | RST38h | back |
| 21:01.42 | lcuk | pmsl |
| 21:04.05 | lbt | should there be a ts.conf normally? |
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| 21:04.27 | TPC | I have a problem running netcat in xterm on the N800 |
| 21:04.46 | TPC | if I listen on the N800 I can connect to my desktop computer with it |
| 21:05.14 | TPC | but I can't connect to my desktop computer (or any computer on the internet) from the pda, the connection just ends immediately, before any data is transfered |
| 21:05.27 | TPC | any idea what could be wrong? |
| 21:05.48 | lbt | what OS? firewall? iptables? |
| 21:06.13 | TPC | debian linux on the desktop, I have a iptables firewall normally but disabled it while debugging |
| 21:06.30 | TPC | but my desktop box isn't the problem, the same thing happens when connecting to, say, google.com port 80 |
| 21:06.35 | TPC | the web browser can connect to google just fine |
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| 21:07.57 | TPC | what I'm trying to do is stream a movie using netcat to mplayer on the pda, this works fine when doing say "nc -l -p 1234 | mplayer -cache 2048 -" on the pda and "nc pda_ip 1234 < filename.avi" o the desktop box |
| 21:08.13 | TPC | but I want to initiate the connection from the N800, so I don't have to walk over to my computer to initiate the streaming |
| 21:08.19 | TPC | and it just doesn't work |
| 21:09.17 | lbt | ssh <grin> |
| 21:09.49 | TPC | I suppose that would work, but I still want to know whats wrong :P |
| 21:10.02 | ToyKeeper | lbt: Increasing the font size appears to work in the main app area, but doesn't change much elsewhere... got a couple shots to show what changes. |
| 21:10.03 | lbt | so what are you trying to do/run? |
| 21:10.04 | ToyKeeper | http://toykeeper.net/tmp/maemo-shopper-14pt.png |
| 21:10.10 | ToyKeeper | http://toykeeper.net/tmp/maemo-shopper-36pt.png |
| 21:10.43 | lbt | ToyKeeper: nice start :) |
| 21:11.27 | lbt | I seem to have buggered my NIT by playing with tslib and screwing /etc/ts.conf |
| 21:11.45 | lbt | TPC: I meant what command are you using? |
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| 21:12.18 | TPC | nc desktop_ip 1234 |
| 21:12.23 | lbt | ToyKeeper: frankly, I want it to be sexier |
| 21:12.44 | jott | lbt: my ts.conf just contains module pressure and module linear. but when i played around with tslib and modified ts.conf it also broke ts input under hildon at one point :) |
| 21:12.47 | lbt | it's a bit boring (and yes, I know it's a shopping list!!!) |
| 21:13.01 | TPC | if I run in verbose mode it doesn't give an error, just ends immediately saying 0 byte sent, 0 bytes recieved |
| 21:13.22 | TPC | and the netcat on the desktop computer never gets the connection |
| 21:13.23 | lbt | jott: I appear to have removed mine |
| 21:13.35 | TPC | same thing happens if I do, say, nc google.com 80 |
| 21:13.52 | jott | lbt: maybe add those two lines and see if it helps? |
| 21:14.01 | lbt | I thought I was playing in initfs |
| 21:14.04 | lbt | am doing ta |
| 21:14.28 | TPC | I think it may just be a bug in the maemo build of netcat |
| 21:15.19 | lbt | jott: Thanks :) |
| 21:15.42 | lbt | TPC - sounds like it. I wonder if netcat is trying to connect to a terminal or something? |
| 21:15.52 | lbt | should work in an xterm... |
| 21:15.53 | lbt | hmm |
| 21:16.00 | TPC | hm.. I wonder if the one from debians arm distribution would work |
| 21:16.07 | lbt | what about sshing into the tablet from the PC |
| 21:16.10 | jott | lbt: ah nice. did it work? |
| 21:16.19 | lbt | yes that got my menus back |
| 21:16.36 | lcuk | jott :) you saved the world again |
| 21:16.41 | TPC | lbt, that works fine |
| 21:16.50 | lbt | then running nc |
| 21:17.07 | TPC | oh |
| 21:17.09 | lbt | ie ssh to tablet and run nc google.com 80 |
| 21:17.15 | TPC | I'll try |
| 21:17.28 | TPC | note, same thing |
| 21:17.30 | TPC | nope |
| 21:17.43 | lbt | nc --help |
| 21:17.49 | lbt | it may be an old version |
| 21:18.16 | lbt | also nc -t ? |
| 21:18.29 | lbt | so nc -t google.com 80 |
| 21:18.44 | TPC | exactly the same |
| 21:18.59 | TPC | can I paste 4 lines in here? |
| 21:19.18 | lbt | RST38h: does! |
| 21:19.23 | TPC | for version it says gnu netcat 0.7.1 |
| 21:20.09 | TPC | when downloading binaries from debians arm distribution should use download from the arm or armel distro? |
| 21:20.18 | lbt | neither |
| 21:20.21 | lbt | maemo |
| 21:20.32 | TPC | they don't have a maemo distro |
| 21:20.32 | lbt | that may be the problem... |
| 21:20.41 | lbt | maemo isn't debian... |
| 21:20.49 | TPC | I know, but some of the binaries are compatible |
| 21:20.53 | TPC | I didn't get the current copy of netcat from there |
| 21:20.54 | lbt | it has different build deps |
| 21:21.11 | TPC | yes, I'll extract the deb on my desktop and copy over the files |
| 21:21.20 | TPC | I did it for some other package and it worked fine |
| 21:21.29 | lbt | it's trivial to apt-get source netcat |
| 21:21.41 | lbt | and then run debian/rules binary |
| 21:21.46 | lbt | inside scratchbox |
| 21:22.06 | lbt | (although, granted, setting it up isn't trivial) |
| 21:22.10 | TPC | I don't have scratchbox, would be a bit of a pain for me to set up since I run a 64 bit os |
| 21:22.17 | TPC | would have to set up a 32 bit chroot or something |
| 21:22.41 | lbt | you chinook? |
| 21:22.45 | lbt | or diablo? |
| 21:22.53 | TPC | diablo |
| 21:23.15 | trenka | diablo? |
| 21:23.44 | lbt | ah, hibernation over trenka? |
| 21:24.45 | TPC | hm.. that seems to work |
| 21:24.48 | trenka | no trenka around |
| 21:25.02 | TPC | downloaded this: http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/netcat-openbsd/netcat-openbsd_1.89-3_armel.deb |
| 21:25.13 | lbt | TPC: I just built it for you too |
| 21:25.33 | lbt | want a netcat-traditional_1.10-38_armel.deb |
| 21:25.40 | TPC | sure, I guess |
| 21:25.57 | lbt | let me at least install/test first |
| 21:26.03 | lbt | to make sure it works!! |
| 21:26.10 | trenka | any like kernel developer around? |
| 21:26.16 | TPC | ok |
| 21:26.42 | RST38h | jott: still here? |
| 21:26.55 | lbt | TPC: yep, works fine |
| 21:26.59 | trenka | I'm not approved to get maemo sammit |
| 21:27.08 | TPC | ok :) |
| 21:27.19 | lbt | email? |
| 21:27.32 | TPC | andreas@tpwch.com |
| 21:27.45 | TPC | maybe you should see if you can use it to replace the ones in the extras repo |
| 21:27.48 | TPC | as that one seems broken |
| 21:27.56 | ToyKeeper | Hmm, I hadn't tried a shopping list on my todo list app before. It seems to work fine except for being designed for vim users. |
| 21:28.42 | lbt | on its way TPC |
| 21:29.32 | TPC | got it, installing now |
| 21:29.44 | lbt | ToyKeeper: which todo list is that? |
| 21:30.24 | TPC | lbt, yep, it works |
| 21:30.27 | lbt | cool :) |
| 21:30.39 | TPC | thanks |
| 21:30.46 | TPC | so there are three different implementations of netcat, gnu, traditional, and openbsd |
| 21:30.47 | ToyKeeper | lbt: TKDO ( http://toykeeper.net/programs/tkdo/ ) ... I haven't packaged it for maemo yet. |
| 21:30.50 | TPC | interesting |
| 21:31.21 | ToyKeeper | It works; I just haven't fixed up some details and added packaging. http://toykeeper.net/tmp/maemo-tkdo-shopping.png |
| 21:31.21 | jott | RST38h: yes. |
| 21:31.22 | lbt | I just did: apt-get source netcat; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b |
| 21:31.31 | lbt | so whatever came down... |
| 21:32.28 | lbt | <innocent>do you have a version that works with emacs org-mode files? |
| 21:33.10 | RST38h | jott: sorry, my computer keeps crashin |
| 21:33.19 | RST38h | Anyway here is what I have for the update struct |
| 21:33.41 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.41 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.41 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.41 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.41 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.41 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.43 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:34.10 | jott | you need to set the output rect too i would say. |
| 21:34.32 | jott | out_* |
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| 21:36.47 | RST38h | oh |
| 21:36.59 | TPC | this is nice, netcat and mplayer makes a nice combo |
| 21:37.13 | RST38h | can I set different w/h? |
| 21:37.22 | lbt | TPC - wiki entry? |
| 21:37.22 | jott | RST38h: yes. it then uses the hw scaling. |
| 21:37.22 | TPC | now I don't have to copy over video files to the sd card when watching on the N800 within range of my wifi |
| 21:37.36 | TPC | now to figure out how to get mencoder to output to a pipe |
| 21:37.49 | TPC | so I don't have to wait for encoding and can just start watching right away :) |
| 21:37.53 | TPC | lbt, good idea |
| 21:38.26 | RST38h | jott: wow |
| 21:38.41 | RST38h | gonna try that =) |
| 21:39.24 | RST38h | are there predefined scaling factors or any factor will work? |
| 21:39.32 | jott | RST38h: any factor should do. |
| 21:39.48 | jott | it's really just input rect -> output rect :) |
| 21:41.02 | RST38h | IT WORKS |
| 21:41.08 | jott | sweet :) |
| 21:41.11 | RST38h | WONDERFUL |
| 21:41.30 | lbt | RST38h: whacha working on? |
| 21:42.30 | RST38h | GBA emulator |
| 21:42.44 | lbt | OK :) |
| 21:43.06 | lbt | I just want to draw simple things on the fb from initfs |
| 21:43.17 | lbt | one day... |
| 21:43.39 | moontiger | lbt: hehehe i hear ya |
| 21:45.07 | Stskeeps | lbt: did you see fb-progress source? |
| 21:45.10 | lcuk | jott, i thought scaling only applied for yuv mode, yes rgb can have pixeldoubling, but i was sure it didnt work - i think its why mplayer remains as it is |
| 21:45.27 | jott | lcuk: hmm.. sure? |
| 21:45.46 | lcuk | well all the attempts at rgb scaling have been to get pixeldoubling working |
| 21:45.47 | jott | i thought it's more a limitation on the X11 side. |
| 21:46.05 | lcuk | no, if you have the data you should be able to push it over and have the hardware scale it |
| 21:46.10 | lbt | Stskeeps: no, not yet - playing with tslib still (again) |
| 21:46.13 | lcuk | you tell it a region because thats all you want to update |
| 21:46.19 | Stskeeps | lbt: https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/osso-af-utils/src/ |
| 21:46.19 | lbt | I'll make a note though - ta |
| 21:46.42 | jott | was some time ago i did the fb stuff, so you might be right. |
| 21:46.55 | jott | best bet to just try it :) |
| 21:46.56 | lcuk | jott, if it was so simple to do arbitary scaling everyone would have it .. |
| 21:47.03 | RST38h | I will try in a moment |
| 21:47.08 | jott | everyone as in,..... ?! |
| 21:47.09 | lcuk | good thanks rst |
| 21:47.13 | lcuk | you are in a position right now :) |
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| 21:47.32 | jott | there is nearly no one using the fb directly :) |
| 21:47.59 | jott | mplayer probably the only one ..hehe |
| 21:48.01 | lcuk | mplayer does, sdl does |
| 21:48.07 | jott | (as in omapfb, not linux fb) |
| 21:48.10 | jott | sdl? no.. |
| 21:48.12 | lcuk | yes |
| 21:48.13 | RST38h | yea, the missionary position... |
| 21:48.18 | mikma | how can i give '-100' value with gconftool for /apps/osso/sound/master_volume ? |
| 21:48.19 | jott | sdl has an omapfb backend? |
| 21:48.22 | lcuk | yes |
| 21:48.26 | jott | since when? |
| 21:48.30 | mikma | i've tried pretty much all i know but no luck |
| 21:48.36 | jott | and where? |
| 21:48.53 | lcuk | mmm |
| 21:49.52 | lcuk | hang on it calls X11_MITSHMUpdate(current_video,1,&rect); which calls it - it should have been possible to natively support arbitary res still |
| 21:50.09 | jott | yeah thats completely different stuff :) |
| 21:50.11 | lcuk | i said yes because i was following down sometime in the past |
| 21:50.16 | lcuk | yer i realise no |
| 21:50.18 | lcuk | w |
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| 21:50.35 | jott | well RST38h can tell us in moment. would be nice to know for sure :) |
| 21:50.44 | RST38bis | fuck, battery just ran out |
| 21:50.47 | jott | :( |
| 21:51.05 | RST38bis | np, rebooting from pwr outlet |
| 21:52.05 | jott | always sucks to get a black screen when you are in the middle of something.. |
| 21:52.30 | lcuk | you have that moment of panic "did i make a whoopsie" |
| 21:53.19 | RST38bis | x3 seems to work fine |
| 21:53.40 | RST38bis | anyone wants me to try something different? |
| 21:53.50 | TPC | whoo, it works |
| 21:53.56 | TPC | encoding to good quality and streaming on the fly to mplayer on n800 |
| 21:54.02 | jott | RST38h: try full 800x480? :) |
| 21:54.11 | lbt | TPC :) |
| 21:54.20 | RST38bis | i am doing just that |
| 21:54.34 | lbt | TPC now integrate it into MythTV... |
| 21:54.48 | lbt | (shouldn't be that hard actually) |
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| 22:04.23 | lcuk | slashdot/sourceforge down :( |
| 22:06.05 | melmoth | OMG they killed the interoueb ! |
| 22:06.52 | Stskeeps | lcuk: good riddance.. with those ads sf deserved it |
| 22:06.53 | lcuk | they did when i need a tarball from there |
| 22:06.53 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 22:07.04 | lcuk | i agree sts |
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| 22:09.07 | jott | lcuk: there are plenty of mirrors for the files :) |
| 22:10.41 | lcuk | gulp, i got the one i needed and now im gonna walk away |
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| 22:29.15 | fredyrivera | hello |
| 22:29.57 | fredyrivera | Â I ask a question about touch screen? |
| 22:31.45 | fredyrivera | The touch screen of my n810 has suffered damage, someone knows a way to turn off the touch screen and work only with the sliding keyboard? |
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| 22:34.19 | lcuk | fredyrivera, someone earlier had a problem where touchscreen was disabled for him, i gather its damaged and always pressed on something? |
| 22:35.01 | lcuk | or is this possibly a software symptom |
| 22:36.58 | fredyrivera | yes, my ts is always clicking, so I wish disable |
| 22:37.49 | lcuk | lbt, was your screen completely disabbled by your vandalism? |
| 22:37.56 | lcuk | fredyrivera, what actually happened? |
| 22:38.16 | TPC | lbt, any others interested: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=223452#post223452 |
| 22:38.30 | lcuk | and can you not just get a warranty replacement? |
| 22:41.08 | fredyrivera | I live in colombia and the device was buy in the U.S., Nokia has no repair service in colombia. |
| 22:42.25 | lcuk | if you have a us receipt you could at least contact nokia and see what they say about posting it |
| 22:42.43 | fredyrivera | Â I think if I send the parts, I could change it, but it's hard to sell such parts |
| 22:44.06 | fredyrivera | would pay the repair, but who will not be repaired |
| 22:46.27 | fredyrivera | for now, I wish to disable the TS to work as my n810 Gps, as I do that? |
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| 22:47.04 | lcuk | just scrollin back now to see how he fixed his problem |
| 22:47.20 | lcuk | perhaps you could attempt to unfix his problam and stop screen working |
| 22:49.12 | lcuk | ahh, it might not work, but the user had removed a file "/etc/ts.conf" and it broke his tablet and nothing would click properly |
| 22:49.36 | fredyrivera | I do not want to turn off the screen, only the TS, I can also operate the device by ssh or x11vnc, but it is annoying that always click |
| 22:52.48 | fredyrivera | mmm, I was very happy with my n810, mapping colombia for openstreetmap.org, but an excursion was beating and damage: ( |
| 22:53.07 | lcuk | :( thats not good |
| 22:53.47 | sp3000 | suspects mangling pointercal wouldn't help |
| 22:53.49 | Chani | my n810's networkmanager has lost itself twice today. first it was connecting forever, now it's searching forever. how do I restart it without rebooting? |
| 22:54.20 | sp3000 | Chani: try going into offline mode? (short powerbutton press -> ...) |
| 22:54.50 | Chani | sp3000: no luck |
| 22:55.13 | Chani | it still lists the networks from school, and I'm at home, and it never finishes searching |
| 22:55.13 | RST38bis | ok, framerates are way up with fb0 |
| 22:55.36 | Chani | also, the web browser has been going crazy a lot since I upgraded |
| 22:55.56 | sp3000 | hm, like you exit the scanning dialog and come back and it shows wrong networks? |
| 22:56.02 | RST38bis | getting 20-25fps in vgba |
| 22:56.16 | Chani | where's the | character? |
| 22:56.18 | RST38bis | bedtime =] |
| 22:56.25 | Chani | sp3000: yes, wrong networks and "searching" forever |
| 22:56.55 | sp3000 | Chani: Chr, second page |
| 22:57.05 | Chani | found it |
| 22:57.20 | sp3000 | mapped it to Fn - |
| 22:57.23 | Chani | any idea what the network-y processes might be called? |
| 22:58.03 | fredyrivera | Â Now I have to disconnect, if someone has an idea, please send me a mail to fredyrivera at gmail dot com |
| 22:58.32 | fredyrivera | thanks for the help |
| 23:00.03 | sp3000 | Chani: I suppose you could |/etc/init.d/this-or-that restart| for random things until you get success, reboot, or an even more confused state ;) |
| 23:00.27 | Chani | hrm. I need to get bash completion on this thing |
| 23:00.39 | Chani | and ssh-server |
| 23:01.31 | Chani | sp3000: will I be able to do that without root? |
| 23:01.51 | sp3000 | unlikely |
| 23:02.23 | Chani | blarg |
| 23:02.51 | sp3000 | icd2 is the intarwebs connectorification dabbler, wlancond is a wee lan condensator doohickey |
| 23:03.11 | sp3000 | needs sleep :) |
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| 23:45.45 | GeneralAntilles | AStorm, with good wifi powersaving and everything? I don't think so. :P |
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