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| 00:17.06 | crashanddie | wow |
| 00:17.11 | crashanddie | his contribution was useful |
| 00:17.51 | crashanddie | http://slexy.org/view/s206PGCHSw |
| 00:19.05 | GeneralAntilles | He's an old troll. |
| 00:19.21 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, badmouther |
| 00:19.27 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, for you, everyone's a troll |
| 00:19.35 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, but the truth is |
| 00:19.41 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, YOU'RE THE TROLL |
| 00:19.47 | GeneralAntilles | facetroll |
| 00:19.55 | Knirch_ | he just needs a haircut, be nice |
| 00:20.07 | crashanddie | trolls? Hair? |
| 00:20.17 | crashanddie | Dude, never try to touch a troll's hair |
| 00:20.49 | crashanddie | You know water is deadly to trolls, right? |
| 00:22.01 | crashanddie | Well, in the same manner they are driven by an uncontrollable burst of energy, power, call this demon manifestation what you want, but they are possessed, and they will murder whomever is responsible for getting them in contact with such vile substance |
| 00:22.16 | crashanddie | Also, never harm their pet flies |
| 00:22.28 | crashanddie | You know, the ones that nest in their ears? |
| 00:23.26 | crashanddie | That's where Chuck Palahniuk got his inspiration for Fight Club |
| 00:23.39 | crashanddie | "You hit me in the ear, oh you fucker" |
| 00:24.00 | crashanddie | Which brings me to the "Brad Pitt is a troll" |
| 00:24.22 | crashanddie | but I feel hostility towards those who read these lines |
| 00:24.53 | crashanddie | Yes you, thou who readst thesest linessest |
| 00:25.24 | crashanddie | In the future or in the past, I can sense the evil, buried deep in you |
| 00:25.57 | crashanddie | I will now retire to my room, my friends await my return |
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| 00:26.36 | crashanddie | My guards have arrived, my fearsome dragonslayers are ready to give their life for me |
| 00:26.55 | crashanddie | Once again, they shall protect their lord as I have given them the right to live |
| 00:27.31 | crashanddie | May the peace be with you, I shall pray as these brave knights draped in white bring me back to my quarters |
| 00:27.51 | GeneralAntilles | Venture Bros is such a great show. |
| 00:27.52 | crashanddie | Or, as some of you, lowlives dear to call them, "the big men in white coats" |
| 00:28.19 | Dekaritae | Indeed it is. |
| 00:28.53 | GeneralAntilles | I just hope I don't have to wait another 2 years for season 4 |
| 00:33.09 | crashanddie | watch this video: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10037202-2.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-5 |
| 00:33.12 | crashanddie | the guy's a genius |
| 00:36.30 | smackpotato | who is going to clone it crashanddie |
| 00:36.53 | crashanddie | that's going to be so CPU intensive |
| 00:37.00 | crashanddie | but I reckon I could code it |
| 00:37.53 | smackpotato | what will cause all the cpu usage |
| 00:38.34 | smackpotato | uses one finger typing always |
| 00:38.48 | crashanddie | well, say you don't want to be too difficult in which keys have been pointed |
| 00:39.00 | crashanddie | you need to work out an error margin based on speed, basically |
| 00:39.17 | crashanddie | so when you're going really quick, you get a bigger zone of possible mistakes |
| 00:39.43 | crashanddie | say I swype from a to u, from u to t, from t to o |
| 00:39.49 | smackpotato | cool like take acceleration into effect and stuff like that? |
| 00:41.14 | crashanddie | for each segment, you have to take the keys around end and starting point, and compare with a list of known words |
| 00:41.19 | crashanddie | and see what would be the most plausible |
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| 00:42.54 | smackpotato | there is an app where letters come flying across the screen and you choose them. its for the handycaped |
| 00:43.16 | crashanddie | handycaped? |
| 00:43.20 | smackpotato | the more probability of a letter the bigger it is |
| 00:43.35 | crashanddie | Don't think there's anything handy in being handicapped |
| 00:43.37 | smackpotato | i forget what its called |
| 00:44.19 | smackpotato | poor spelling is a handycap. i know. |
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| 00:45.52 | smackpotato | your intellegence is data mined from the google spell checker |
| 00:46.21 | smackpotato | poor spellers are targeted with capital one adds |
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| 00:50.28 | smackpotato | also elvis bust ads |
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| 00:56.44 | smackpotato | http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/DasherSummary2.html |
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| 00:56.47 | smackpotato | dasher |
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| 01:18.37 | b1ackdeath | has any one done the tri-boot yet? |
| 01:18.50 | GeneralAntilles | tri-boot? |
| 01:18.58 | b1ackdeath | yes |
| 01:19.09 | GeneralAntilles | OK then. |
| 01:20.39 | summatusmentis | tri-boot what? |
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| 01:20.55 | summatusmentis | aren't there only 2 OSs available? |
| 01:21.35 | b1ackdeath | diablo, debian , and kde |
| 01:21.49 | summatusmentis | KDE isn't an OS |
| 01:21.54 | summatusmentis | it's ontop of maemo |
| 01:22.02 | summatusmentis | on top |
| 01:22.25 | b1ackdeath | still tho |
| 01:22.37 | Mek | I guess you could set up a seperate kde and hildon environment |
| 01:22.43 | b1ackdeath | yeh |
| 01:22.49 | b1ackdeath | thats what i ment |
| 01:24.16 | b1ackdeath | i cant wait for Pandora (console) |
| 01:24.21 | summatusmentis | it shoudl be do-able |
| 01:27.22 | crashanddie | This is just so perfectly well dosed: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-2yMBrWnds&feature=related |
| 01:30.19 | GeneralAntilles | What's to try with tri-boot? |
| 01:30.26 | GeneralAntilles | It's exactly the same as dual booting, except with one more. |
| 01:30.46 | b1ackdeath | i dont know i was just wounding if any one had done it |
| 01:30.48 | summatusmentis | saying you can :) |
| 01:30.57 | b1ackdeath | true |
| 01:31.26 | GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, well, at least 4: OS2007, OS2008, Deblet, Ubuntu. |
| 01:31.38 | GeneralAntilles | Then maybe another few variations of each on top of that. |
| 01:31.44 | summatusmentis | oh, I suppose |
| 01:31.49 | summatusmentis | is Ubuntu available and usable? |
| 01:32.07 | GeneralAntilles | With a little work. |
| 01:32.19 | GeneralAntilles | There isn't really much point using Ubuntu over Deblet, though. |
| 01:32.27 | GeneralAntilles | Well, except for armv6 |
| 01:32.32 | GeneralAntilles | So it'll be marginally faster. |
| 01:32.49 | summatusmentis | and pretty :) |
| 01:32.57 | GeneralAntilles | Er |
| 01:33.13 | GeneralAntilles | They all use the same toolkits and DEs. |
| 01:33.18 | GeneralAntilles | So one can't really be any prettier than the other. :\ |
| 01:33.31 | summatusmentis | I thought Ubuntu had a different interface? |
| 01:33.56 | GeneralAntilles | Gnome, KDE, xfce4, etc, etc |
| 01:34.01 | GeneralAntilles | Pick a DE, pick a theme. |
| 01:34.06 | GeneralAntilles | It's not distro-depenendent. |
| 01:34.23 | b1ackdeath | i want slaxware |
| 01:35.04 | crashanddie | summatusmentis, Ubuntu comes default with Gnome, Kubuntu comes default with KDE, But you can install KDE on Ubuntu no problem. Does Debian come with a default? I don't know, I never installed a GUI on debian, lol |
| 01:35.17 | crashanddie | b1ackdeath, slackware? |
| 01:35.37 | GeneralAntilles | Debian doesn't favor a DE by default. |
| 01:35.42 | summatusmentis | Debian I think generally installs both? |
| 01:35.45 | crashanddie | that's what I thought |
| 01:35.53 | crashanddie | summatusmentis, that would be stupid |
| 01:35.57 | GeneralAntilles | It doesn't install any GUI by default. |
| 01:36.01 | b1ackdeath | haha slax im asleep |
| 01:36.14 | summatusmentis | crashanddie: I know Ubuntu proper has that option, what about the MID version |
| 01:36.15 | crashanddie | b1ackdeath, just tell me something |
| 01:36.27 | GeneralAntilles | MID is GNOME, essentially. |
| 01:36.36 | GeneralAntilles | Most of the same stuff as Maemo. |
| 01:36.40 | summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: if you pick the Desktop profile, does debian install both? or just GNOME? |
| 01:36.46 | crashanddie | b1ackdeath, why the bloody fuck on earth would you want a source based OS on a 400Mhz mobile CPU? |
| 01:37.04 | crashanddie | djeezus, I'm swearing like lcuk |
| 01:37.11 | GeneralAntilles | Why do some people like to get kicked in the crotch? |
| 01:37.16 | GeneralAntilles | I'll never know. :P |
| 01:37.25 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, good point |
| 01:37.31 | lcuk | oi! i resemble those comments |
| 01:37.56 | crashanddie | No but I meant, it's cool |
| 01:38.06 | crashanddie | It's a cool, social thing to swear like you |
| 01:38.12 | b1ackdeath | cuz its hackable and It's sooo much easier to compile and build Slackware packages |
| 01:38.31 | crashanddie | b1ackdeath, it's also a lot faster/easier to just apt a package home :P |
| 01:38.45 | crashanddie | but yeah, your suffering, won't prevent you from doing it |
| 01:39.04 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, check the Cnet link I posted earlier |
| 01:39.10 | GeneralAntilles | Nope |
| 01:39.31 | crashanddie | that was a rhetorical statement |
| 01:39.54 | GeneralAntilles | I saw a "did you" |
| 01:40.05 | GeneralAntilles | Stop hacking my computer. |
| 01:40.25 | GeneralAntilles | Stuck on a 3G connection here. |
| 01:40.32 | GeneralAntilles | No video downloading for me. |
| 01:40.58 | crashanddie | lcuk, I guess we'll have to do it so that GA can understand what we're talking about... |
| 01:41.13 | crashanddie | lcuk, see, no IP infringement, it was only "educational" |
| 01:41.36 | crashanddie | anyway guys |
| 01:41.38 | crashanddie | almost 3AM |
| 01:41.41 | crashanddie | I'm calling it a night |
| 01:41.50 | GeneralAntilles | Call it like it is. |
| 01:42.12 | crashanddie | Has been an exhausting day, and haven't slept a lot these days, so I better get all the sleep I can get |
| 01:42.30 | crashanddie | (I was just by the amount of irony that's contained in that sentence when you say it at 3AM) |
| 01:42.39 | crashanddie | s/just/just struck/ |
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| 02:40.44 | Mrhanz | Hey |
| 02:41.00 | robink | Mrhanz: Hello. |
| 02:41.59 | Mrhanz | Think u could help me geet kimet running on a n770? |
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| 04:22.56 | summatusmentis | :( I wish there were larger micro-sd cards available |
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| 04:24.23 | khertan | Hi ! |
| 04:24.49 | khertan | I'm looking for a voluntary to port http://live.gnome.org/GooCanvas on Maemo and his python binding |
| 04:26.33 | GeneralAntilles | I wish the N810 weren't so shitty. |
| 04:27.00 | summatusmentis | shitty because of mini sd? |
| 04:27.14 | GeneralAntilles | For a lot of reasons. |
| 04:27.21 | summatusmentis | I love my n810, don't think I could deal with the touch keyboard |
| 04:27.23 | GeneralAntilles | Slider, MiniSD, Dpad |
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| 04:27.55 | RST38h | nokia thinks it is more stylish |
| 04:28.09 | RST38h | although frankly n810 is a scratch magnet |
| 04:28.53 | summatusmentis | I'm a fan, but I do like the idea of regular SD cards |
| 04:29.44 | khertan | i like the slider ... but yep ... a full sized sd card is better |
| 04:31.29 | RST38h | does not care what sd card looks like - never removing mine |
| 04:31.49 | summatusmentis | n810 hardware is pretty similar to n800 right? n800 is n810 minus keyboard, sd cards instead of mini sd, no gps ? |
| 04:31.52 | RST38h | but d-pad and the whole thing being constantly scratched do matter |
| 04:32.10 | RST38h | summa: and a real dpad |
| 04:32.59 | summatusmentis | I've been contemplating an iPod Touch, but I suppose I could just get an n800 and accomplish the same thing |
| 04:33.54 | summatusmentis | is the processor speed noticable in any way? |
| 04:36.38 | RST38h | same cpu |
| 04:38.48 | GeneralAntilles | Same hardware |
| 04:38.54 | GeneralAntilles | The accessories are the only thing different. |
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| 04:39.07 | summatusmentis | I thought the cpu was slower by 80Mhz? |
| 04:39.46 | RST38h | no |
| 04:40.04 | RST38h | Sam OMAP2, clock configurable up to 400MHz |
| 04:40.25 | RST38h | probably higher but TI only guarantees operation up to 400 |
| 04:40.35 | summatusmentis | does the n800 need to be overclocked? |
| 04:40.55 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 04:41.04 | summatusmentis | hmm... |
| 04:41.06 | GeneralAntilles | It's the exact same hardware. |
| 04:41.07 | GeneralAntilles | Period. |
| 04:41.33 | summatusmentis | ok, ok :) |
| 04:43.21 | summatusmentis | and we think freemantle will work on the n800, yes? |
| 04:44.14 | GeneralAntilles | There's practically no way it wont. |
| 04:44.20 | GeneralAntilles | If it works on the N810, it'll work on the N800, anyway. |
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| 04:45.54 | summatusmentis | That makes sense. I don't really want another device... :/ |
| 04:51.37 | summatusmentis | ad |
| 04:52.02 | summatusmentis | sorry, trying to detach screen with osk |
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| 04:56.48 | summatusmentis | I suppose the n800 is hard to find now, that it's not available from Nokia anymore |
| 05:04.23 | GeneralAntilles | I really wonder what Nokia's thinking was with killing the N800. |
| 05:05.31 | summatusmentis | the trend for quiet a while was hardware keyboards |
| 05:05.48 | GeneralAntilles | The platform needs a "low-end" model. |
| 05:06.29 | summatusmentis | is the hardware keyboard really that much more contsly? |
| 05:06.33 | summatusmentis | costly* |
| 05:07.16 | GeneralAntilles | Probably less about the hardware cost than about pricing levels. |
| 05:07.32 | GeneralAntilles | The N810 is definitely more expensive to make than the N800, but it can't be by a lot. |
| 05:07.38 | GeneralAntilles | Size is probably a big factor. |
| 05:07.49 | summatusmentis | right |
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| 05:14.24 | Khertan_n810 | Hi again ... |
| 05:14.57 | GeneralAntilles | goaway |
| 05:14.57 | Khertan_n810 | someone know how i can remove the border in a gtk.treeview between columns ? |
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| 05:19.37 | Khertan_n810 | noone ? |
| 05:31.04 | RST38h | GA: N810 is already $300+, how much low end should it get? =) |
| 05:31.28 | GeneralAntilles | About $180 |
| 05:31.31 | GeneralAntilles | like the N800 |
| 05:32.13 | summatusmentis | $180? so $200 is high? |
| 05:32.28 | GeneralAntilles | Well, the market is used-only now. |
| 05:33.07 | summatusmentis | sure |
| 05:33.31 | summatusmentis | there seem to be very few available, presumably because everyone has similar opinions to you :) |
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| 05:37.41 | spcui_ | how can i set up USB networking between my host machine running under winXP and Nokia N810? |
| 05:38.37 | GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking |
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| 05:57.30 | spcui | how can i set up USB networking between my host machine running under winXP and Nokia N810? |
| 05:57.44 | qwerty12 | You can't. |
| 05:57.48 | GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking |
| 05:57.56 | spcui | why not? |
| 05:58.03 | qwerty12 | RNDIS is broken. |
| 05:58.42 | spcui | how can i do anything to fix it? |
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| 05:59.07 | summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: you've got how many tablets? |
| 05:59.15 | GeneralAntilles | Down to 3 |
| 05:59.17 | qwerty12 | Download the kernel and get to modifying source code. I think if we had a fix, it would be in use. |
| 05:59.34 | spcui | yeah |
| 05:59.56 | summatusmentis | GA: I assume you use some for dev and some for day to day use? |
| 06:00.12 | GeneralAntilles | No, not really. |
| 06:00.20 | GeneralAntilles | I don't really do any dev work on the tablets. |
| 06:00.28 | GeneralAntilles | One is an old 770 that's an ebook reader |
| 06:00.35 | GeneralAntilles | the other is my primary N800 |
| 06:00.50 | GeneralAntilles | the other one is a backup N800 that my sister sometimes uses. |
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| 06:06.14 | summatusmentis | I see |
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| 06:09.16 | spcui | GA: what's RNDIS ? |
| 06:09.28 | spcui | about what? |
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| 06:17.31 | GeneralAntilles | is still staring at a desktop in Ã
ngstrom wondering what the next step should be. |
| 06:17.56 | summatusmentis | meaning what? |
| 06:18.05 | summatusmentis | next step for what? |
| 06:18.30 | GeneralAntilles | The Beagle |
| 06:18.37 | GeneralAntilles | I need networking |
| 06:18.42 | GeneralAntilles | Not entirely sure how I want to go about getting it. |
| 06:19.48 | summatusmentis | ah |
| 06:19.56 | summatusmentis | used to use Angstrom on the Zaurus |
| 06:21.31 | GeneralAntilles | I'd almost prefer to use Debian instead since I'm a lot more familiar with it |
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| 06:21.44 | GeneralAntilles | but there's a lot more Beagle-specific effort behind Ã
ngstrom right now |
| 06:21.49 | GeneralAntilles | and Debian is still armv5 |
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| 06:24.37 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: start debootstrapping from mojo.handhelds.org maybe? they have armv6el-vfp :P |
| 06:24.51 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I know. |
| 06:24.53 | GeneralAntilles | I'm considering it. |
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| 06:25.19 | Stskeeps | i bootstrapped ubuntu on tablet but there was just some key pieces gone to consider it usable :P |
| 06:25.51 | Stskeeps | for the later versions |
| 06:26.05 | GeneralAntilles | I'll have access to a machine I can more easily do USBnet from in a couple weeks. |
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| 06:27.30 | Stskeeps | right, i've finally lost patience with thunderbird |
| 06:27.32 | Stskeeps | unstable pos |
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| 07:10.49 | acydlord | well looks like the world didnt end |
| 07:11.42 | Knirch_ | it's a trap! |
| 07:12.16 | Knirch_ | I missed end-of-the-world-day, who's it according to? |
| 07:13.14 | aquatix | good morning all |
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| 07:17.09 | Knirch_ | acydlord: ah, LHC? |
| 07:17.18 | acydlord | indeed |
| 07:19.55 | aquatix | http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/ <- it apparently didn't |
| 07:20.07 | aquatix | if the lhc actually destroys the earth & this page isn't yet updated |
| 07:20.08 | aquatix | please email mike@frantic.org to receive a full refund |
| 07:20.09 | aquatix | *g* |
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| 07:25.09 | acydlord | will do lol |
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| 07:40.29 | melmoth | it could have all projected us in a parallell universe, destroying the orginal one, and we would not even realise... |
| 07:40.41 | melmoth | has to stop reading pk dick novels. |
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| 07:44.47 | aquatix | melmoth: we're all in a simulation currently |
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| 08:03.17 | L0cutus | re |
| 08:03.40 | L0cutus | why apt-get -f install try to remove osso-software-version-rx34 ? |
| 08:04.32 | L0cutus | (i've updated kernel to have screen rotation on my n800) |
| 08:07.36 | GeneralAntilles | You installed something that removes something it depends on. |
| 08:11.57 | Jaffa | morning, all |
| 08:12.09 | GeneralAntilles | Howdy, Jaffa. |
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| 08:13.13 | timeless | hello world |
| 08:13.19 | timeless | how many hours left before i can't vote? |
| 08:13.46 | GeneralAntilles | Just under 20, I guess? |
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| 08:14.07 | dneary | hi |
| 08:14.14 | GeneralAntilles | Hello, dneary. |
| 08:14.20 | timeless | hi dneary |
| 08:14.41 | GeneralAntilles | "will close on 2/9/2008 at 23:59 UTC" |
| 08:14.43 | dneary | hi guys |
| 08:14.49 | GeneralAntilles | Oops |
| 08:14.51 | GeneralAntilles | Wrong date |
| 08:14.53 | dneary | GeneralAntilles: How's the election campaigning going? |
| 08:15.01 | GeneralAntilles | Well, today at 23:59 UTC |
| 08:15.15 | dneary | I just checked the number of people who've voted, it's around 880 |
| 08:15.20 | timeless | wait |
| 08:15.22 | GeneralAntilles | dneary, trying to avoid as much "campaigning" as I can. ;) |
| 08:15.24 | timeless | so i have how many hours? |
| 08:15.25 | dneary | It was 830 or so on Monday |
| 08:15.40 | dneary | timeless: 4 or so |
| 08:15.43 | GeneralAntilles | What, 12k emails went out? |
| 08:15.51 | dneary | timeless: Depending on your time zone |
| 08:15.55 | timeless | gah i'll deal w/ it in a few hours |
| 08:15.58 | dneary | GeneralAntilles: Yup |
| 08:16.15 | dneary | timeless: (I'm kidding... you have 16 hours or so) |
| 08:16.32 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 08:16.39 | GeneralAntilles | got really confused there for a second. |
| 08:17.18 | GeneralAntilles | Somewhat underwhelming turnout, anyway. . . . |
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| 08:18.07 | RST38h | timeless: news for you |
| 08:18.29 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe make a closing warning on maemo.org? |
| 08:18.37 | timeless | too logical |
| 08:18.38 | timeless | (yes please) |
| 08:18.55 | RST38h | timeless: when browserd hangs on some piece of js or css and I kill it, it seems to be leaking memory somehow |
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| 08:19.17 | RST38h | timeless: the only way to recover that I found was to reboot the tablet |
| 08:19.19 | timeless | rst38h: if the browser ui survives and manages to restart the daemon |
| 08:19.25 | timeless | i'm not sure i'm going ot worry much |
| 08:19.55 | timeless | atm we have a bunch of crashes where the browserui crashes trying to commit suicide because it can't restart browserd |
| 08:20.03 | RST38h | timeless: You are not going to worry much when a broken browserd leaks 30% of the total device memory? |
| 08:20.12 | RST38h | And the only way to fix it is a reboot? |
| 08:20.15 | timeless | (yes, browersd crashed, then browser ui failed to restart it, so it tried to commit suicide, but it failed and crashed first) |
| 08:20.30 | RST38h | You misunderstand |
| 08:20.43 | timeless | i think figuring out the problem i've described is slightly more urgent |
| 08:20.45 | RST38h | This is a situation where browserd is restarted |
| 08:20.46 | timeless | but i'm not certain |
| 08:20.50 | timeless | yeah, i know |
| 08:20.51 | timeless | i got that |
| 08:20.55 | RST38h | And the browser is NOT running |
| 08:21.02 | RST38h | But the memory is gone |
| 08:21.06 | timeless | hrm |
| 08:21.15 | timeless | those tend to be Linux/POSIX "features" |
| 08:21.17 | RST38h | not supposed to happen in linux, I know |
| 08:21.20 | timeless | there's very little i can do |
| 08:21.22 | timeless | no no |
| 08:21.30 | timeless | we use things like Shared Memory |
| 08:21.38 | timeless | which are on unix implemented as file descriptors |
| 08:21.44 | RST38h | umgrh |
| 08:21.46 | timeless | and Linux's impl is "special" |
| 08:22.05 | RST38h | Did I tell you before that your browserd-based architecture appears to suck? =) |
| 08:22.08 | timeless | such that there's a guaranteed window during which your app *will* leak its file descriptor if it's killed |
| 08:22.15 | timeless | shrugs |
| 08:22.24 | timeless | you realize that Google Chrome does something similar, right? |
| 08:22.28 | timeless | as does IE8 |
| 08:22.37 | timeless | and Firefox will eventually |
| 08:22.37 | RST38h | you realize that I am not using Google Chrome? =) |
| 08:22.47 | timeless | shrugs |
| 08:22.51 | timeless | i have it, i don't use it |
| 08:22.55 | RST38h | and not using IE8 either |
| 08:23.01 | timeless | neither |
| 08:23.06 | timeless | would need to reboot first |
| 08:23.19 | RST38h | could we please have a browser that does not leak system resources? please? |
| 08:23.28 | timeless | find a better system |
| 08:23.30 | timeless | maybe QNX? :) |
| 08:23.35 | RST38h | no, no |
| 08:23.51 | aquatix | and maybe a microb with a newer version of gecko |
| 08:23.52 | RST38h | do not blame the OS for shortcomings in your app architecture |
| 08:24.07 | timeless | err |
| 08:24.14 | timeless | we probably use XSHM too |
| 08:24.21 | timeless | which iirc shares an impl there |
| 08:24.30 | RST38h | it wasn't OS decision to move whole rendering engine into a daemon and share 30% of the device memory with it |
| 08:25.00 | timeless | shrugs |
| 08:25.07 | timeless | sure sounds more like an os bug |
| 08:25.14 | RST38h | And I think we have by now scientifically proven that this wonderful decision did not produce any noticeable effect on startup time |
| 08:25.17 | timeless | anyway, file a bug in bugs.maemo.org cc eero and include details |
| 08:25.27 | RST38h | Oh I will |
| 08:25.48 | timeless | anyway, i thought we showed that it did effect startup time |
| 08:26.01 | timeless | the requirement was to drop under the 5s window |
| 08:26.05 | timeless | and iirc it did that |
| 08:26.06 | RST38h | It did, by 10%? 20% |
| 08:26.15 | RST38h | from 7 to 5? yes, it did :) |
| 08:26.17 | aquatix | RST38h: more like `empirically', but indeed :) |
| 08:26.29 | timeless | rst38h: that was the requirement, and it did it |
| 08:26.54 | X-Fade | timeless: now aim for 0.5 ;) |
| 08:27.03 | timeless | now would someone please tell me how the heck to get the itunes store to give me its Terms and Conditions to speak English? |
| 08:27.15 | timeless | it's currently speaking this annoying language |
| 08:27.28 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, wouldn't that be nice. |
| 08:27.30 | GeneralAntilles | dreams. |
| 08:28.17 | X-Fade | timeless: Is it correct that the browser says 'connecting' while it is actually already downloading the html file? |
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| 08:28.39 | Jaffa | X-Fade: it is correct - it does say that ;-) |
| 08:28.57 | X-Fade | timeless: Or am I imagining that. |
| 08:29.02 | Jaffa | is actually quite impressed with 880 votes in the election. It was never going to be 12k, but it's more than a couple of hundred |
| 08:29.02 | RST38h | X-Fade: Sorry to ask, but culd you replace vgba_3.6.0* with the latest version uploaded tonight? |
| 08:29.35 | X-Fade | RST38h: Didn't it do that automatically? |
| 08:29.42 | RST38h | X-Fade: I have found that SB2 Diablo bootstrap is broken (contains dependency on libhildonfm2 that has not been released yet), so I had to fall back to Chinook |
| 08:29.54 | RST38h | X-Fade: Not as of 1.5 hours ago |
| 08:29.58 | RST38h | Checking |
| 08:30.37 | X-Fade | RST38h: It should handle the non-free queue once every hour. |
| 08:30.49 | RST38h | no, the record in packages still indicates C:\work\mfayzull\ept\softsdv\v20080828_0\tests\av_tests>grep SUCCESS result_vmx_nehalem_ept.txt.log |wc -l |
| 08:30.49 | RST38h | 430 |
| 08:30.49 | RST38h | C:\work\mfayzull\ept\softsdv\v20080828_0\tests\av_tests>grep FAILURE result_vmx_nehalem_ept.txt.log |wc -l |
| 08:30.55 | RST38h | Shit |
| 08:30.59 | RST38h | You have not seen this. |
| 08:31.18 | RST38h | libhildonfm2 (>= 1:2.0.6.1) <-- this is what packages says |
| 08:31.25 | XTL | No, that would have been embarrassing |
| 08:32.34 | X-Fade | RST38h: 136930 Sep 10 01:32 vgba_3.6.0-1_armel.deb |
| 08:32.54 | RST38h | .deb looks ok |
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| 08:33.03 | X-Fade | RST38h: If you repackage or recompile, please update the version number. |
| 08:33.09 | X-Fade | RST38h: At least the revision. |
| 08:33.16 | RST38h | but the Packages contains data for the previous version |
| 08:33.35 | X-Fade | RST38h: Yes, because you uploaded the same version number. |
| 08:33.49 | X-Fade | RST38h: Shame on you ;) |
| 08:33.58 | RST38h | Yes, true |
| 08:34.06 | RST38h | But it was 2:32am! |
| 08:34.19 | X-Fade | RST38h: I can only fix this by reindexing the repo. |
| 08:34.45 | RST38h | Is it ok to do? The previous version did not install anyway so keeping the same version number should be ok |
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| 08:35.11 | X-Fade | RST38h: Will do, but next time.. Never upload the same version twice ;) |
| 08:35.49 | mikkov_ | if there is old version, always change version number |
| 08:36.33 | GeneralAntilles | Always, always, always, increment the version. |
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| 08:37.19 | aquatix | always! |
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| 08:38.44 | X-Fade | RST38h: Better now? |
| 08:43.53 | RST38h | checking |
| 08:45.16 | RST38h | X-Fade: Yep, that's it. Sorry, I will not be naughty next time |
| 08:45.27 | X-Fade | RST38h: You'd better ;) |
| 08:45.39 | X-Fade | *not |
| 08:45.43 | RST38h | The only victim would probably be qwerty - he manually modified the faulty deb to install it |
| 08:45.55 | RST38h | The rest could not install it anyway |
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| 08:46.06 | hrw | morning |
| 08:46.10 | X-Fade | Well, forced install is always a road to pain. |
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| 08:49.24 | GeneralAntilles | Hi, hrw. |
| 08:51.02 | liri | I just timed the bootup time for my n810, it's about 35 seconds and about 40-45 until it's actually functioning (i.e button presses actually yield applications) |
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| 08:51.34 | Stskeeps | yeah, it's incredible isn't it? :P |
| 08:51.39 | Stskeeps | debian is like 75sec |
| 08:51.40 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 08:52.13 | liri | geez |
| 08:52.16 | liri | that's just too long |
| 08:52.28 | GeneralAntilles | You're not supposed to turn it off anyway. |
| 08:52.32 | aquatix | indeed |
| 08:52.40 | aquatix | almost never reboots the thing |
| 08:53.04 | GeneralAntilles | Just think of your N810 as the computer running the New York Stock Exchange |
| 08:53.08 | GeneralAntilles | are you going to reboot that thing? |
| 08:53.09 | GeneralAntilles | No. |
| 08:53.13 | aquatix | *g* |
| 08:53.35 | aquatix | listens some music on his stock exchange mainframe |
| 08:53.40 | liri | lol GeneralAntilles |
| 08:53.49 | GeneralAntilles | But, seriously, it's an always-on device |
| 08:53.52 | liri | what do you mean not turn it off |
| 08:53.55 | melmoth | NY stock exchange does run with linux if i remember correctly :) |
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| 08:54.03 | aquatix | which has an update of 25 days |
| 08:54.06 | GeneralAntilles | A reboot shaves about 1-2 days off your standby time. |
| 08:54.43 | RST38h | why? because of the mediascanner? |
| 08:54.43 | aquatix | melmoth: yeah, the UK one runs win2003 though |
| 08:54.44 | liri | so what do you do with it when you don't need it for a whole day (i.e work day)? |
| 08:54.55 | aquatix | liri: let it be? |
| 08:54.56 | X-Fade | liri: Just leave it as is? |
| 08:55.04 | aquatix | it sleeps happily |
| 08:55.21 | liri | so just through it in the closed case while it's on? |
| 08:55.51 | GeneralAntilles | If you turn it off, you're wasting way more than 8 hours standby time. |
| 08:56.03 | Jaffa | Turning it on is *very* power intensive |
| 08:56.28 | GeneralAntilles | Close to a minute of 100% everything. |
| 08:56.42 | liri | uhmm |
| 08:56.57 | GeneralAntilles | Whereas it'll stay on for 30 stays from 100% battery at full idle. |
| 08:57.03 | liri | so is there a sleep/standby state or do you get just "leave" it on |
| 08:57.15 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: 30 days? whoa |
| 08:57.21 | GeneralAntilles | It goes into idle several times a second during use |
| 08:57.25 | GeneralAntilles | it's not a desktop machine. |
| 08:57.28 | aquatix | liri: just switch on `hold' |
| 08:57.42 | GeneralAntilles | aquatix, yeah, fanoush has apparently done a few 30-day rundowns |
| 08:57.44 | aquatix | to disable screen and keys |
| 08:57.48 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: wow |
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| 08:57.55 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, that was my reaction too. |
| 08:58.02 | GeneralAntilles | 8-14 days is more realistic. |
| 08:58.04 | aquatix | can't leave his n810 alone for longer than 4 hours though |
| 08:58.17 | GeneralAntilles | liri, ARM is very good with powermanagement. |
| 08:58.25 | aquatix | except for when i'm on standby myself |
| 08:58.26 | GeneralAntilles | Precious. . . . |
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| 09:01.47 | Jaffa | Quite cool: http://twitter.com/statuses/user_timeline/15234407.rss |
| 09:02.35 | aquatix | that's the first useful twitter feed i've come across |
| 09:02.47 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 09:03.24 | GeneralAntilles | crosses fingers for the zombie apocalypse. |
| 09:04.04 | liri | GeneralAntilles: what's offline mode? |
| 09:06.17 | GeneralAntilles | Turns off the radios |
| 09:06.23 | GeneralAntilles | So that'll keep if from trying to autoconnect and such. |
| 09:06.38 | liri | ahh ok |
| 09:06.56 | liri | ok, so you say it's going into standby after a short while just by not touching it, then lock the keys and keep it this way? |
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| 09:08.00 | GeneralAntilles | liri, locking doesn't do anything more than disable touchscreen and key input. |
| 09:09.31 | liri | GeneralAntilles: yeah which is good because you don't want the device to accidentally get input on the screen like it happens with cellphones in your pocket |
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| 09:09.52 | liri | GeneralAntilles: is it safe to leave it in it's standby mode inside a closed pocket case? |
| 09:10.01 | GeneralAntilles | Of course |
| 09:10.22 | liri | cool, I'll try it like that |
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| 09:14.24 | liri | mgcal is very nice, I think khertan should draw some ideas from it |
| 09:14.48 | Jaffa | doesn't think he's seen it. URL/Screenshot? |
| 09:15.13 | liri | just a sec |
| 09:15.43 | liri | here |
| 09:15.56 | liri | http://gagnews.net/?page_id=3 |
| 09:17.00 | aquatix | hm, nice |
| 09:17.23 | Stskeeps | mgcal.. was that moontigers? |
| 09:17.45 | liri | it's lauren's, I don't know his nickname on IRC |
| 09:18.25 | liri | it's a good example how to make efficient use of screen space, which is what I'm trying to tell khertan to do |
| 09:18.55 | Stskeeps | log.08-24-2008:[08:32:57]<moontiger> its called "mgcal" in extras-cevel in case you use google calendar |
| 09:19.01 | Stskeeps | with ~lauren, so prolly him/her |
| 09:19.08 | liri | yep |
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| 09:19.47 | aquatix | is not sure whether he wants to share his complete agenda with google |
| 09:20.05 | liri | whats the name of that upcoming communication tool which replaces the current one? |
| 09:20.24 | Fatal | speech? social interaction? real life? |
| 09:20.26 | Fatal | hides |
| 09:20.32 | Stskeeps | telepathy? |
| 09:20.40 | liri | aquatix: I don't think anything on my calendar is actually important as in terms of paranoia |
| 09:21.12 | aquatix | liri: well, the less google knows about me, the better |
| 09:21.54 | liri | I don't really get this kind of paranoia these days, to be honest |
| 09:22.42 | aquatix | not yet |
| 09:23.01 | liri | I understand how 10 years ago everyone used nicknames on IRC, I connected only through bouncers off of different networks I had access to, spoofed my IP etc but today... I think it's a different world on the net and not really a whole lot worse |
| 09:23.53 | aquatix | myeah |
| 09:23.57 | aquatix | i value my privacy |
| 09:23.58 | liri | I mean, these days you make use of internet services much more |
| 09:24.05 | aquatix | don't need anything to hide for that |
| 09:24.05 | liri | I value my privacy too |
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| 09:32.27 | liri | aquatix do you have a linkedin profile? |
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| 09:34.05 | liri | yeah it's that telepathy thing now that I'm reading it |
| 09:34.16 | liri | when it is due to be stable and avaiable on diablo? |
| 09:34.20 | liri | *available |
| 09:36.10 | Jaffa | liri: Telepathy is already the basis of the IM system in Maemo |
| 09:36.30 | RST38h | Now waiting to telekinesis... |
| 09:37.35 | liri | though it doesn't support yet voice/video is it? |
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| 09:40.01 | Mikho | Could anyone help? I'm trying to launch a service by sending a dbus method call to it from a hildon statusbar plugin. The service gets started allright, but it always fails at osso_initialize. If I run the same service from the task navigator, everything works ok |
| 09:46.51 | Robot101 | liri: it does support SIP and XMPP voice and video calls... |
| 09:47.24 | Robot101 | liri: when you install the telepathy-haze backend, there's no voice/video support there because libpurple doesn't support it yet |
| 09:47.27 | Robot101 | they're working on it |
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| 09:47.43 | vovkav | hi! What is the easiest way to profile the entire linux system with large granularity? Just to see how much time is spent in kernel-libc-libxxx-apllication? |
| 09:48.39 | Robot101 | vovkav: oprofile I think |
| 09:49.30 | Robot101 | it doesn't have the large granularity you say - it's very detailed - but its the only thing I can think of off the top of my head which can profile on such a system-wide level |
| 09:49.50 | Robot101 | but you can always extract less detailed summaries from more detailed information |
| 09:50.51 | vovkav | Robot101: ok.... Do You have a quick suggestion how to rise granularity? Or the url of a quick-start guide? ;) |
| 09:51.20 | Robot101 | never used it, sorry |
| 09:51.23 | RST38h | I suspect he means "small" granularity not "large |
| 09:51.43 | RST38h | vovkav: you want measurements to be more precise? |
| 09:52.27 | Robot101 | oprofile is very precise, I thought vovkav wanted very coarse indication of x % in kernel, y % in this app, etc |
| 09:52.32 | Robot101 | http://www.daimi.au.dk/~sandmann/sysprof/ is another option |
| 09:53.20 | Robot101 | oprofile has some UIs for it too - http://labs.o-hand.com/oprofileui/ |
| 09:53.26 | vovkav | Robot101: coarse -indeed. (My English is not native) |
| 09:53.48 | Robot101 | http://labs.o-hand.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/oprofileui.png |
| 09:53.59 | Robot101 | that seems to be pretty close to what you might want |
| 09:54.44 | Robot101 | you can drill down and see which programs and libraries are taking the time |
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| 09:56.20 | lardman | morning |
| 09:58.20 | RST38h | ok |
| 09:58.32 | RST38h | moo, lardman |
| 09:58.48 | RST38h | vovkav: for coarse stuff, install htop |
| 09:58.56 | RST38h | no need for oprofile |
| 09:58.57 | vovkav | Thanks, everybody! |
| 10:00.21 | GeneralAntilles | I should get some emulators going on the tablet. . . . |
| 10:03.22 | Mikho | Does anybody know how am I supposed to start programs by using DBus? |
| 10:04.01 | lardman | I thought dbus just started them if you asked for a value they provide |
| 10:05.14 | Mikho | yes, it started it ok. Then I would like to osso_initialize the new program |
| 10:05.18 | Mikho | but it always fails |
| 10:06.19 | lardman | dunno, sorry |
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| 10:07.07 | Mikho | osso_initialize happens to be one of the few method calls that give no feedback why it fails |
| 10:07.38 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 10:07.41 | GeneralAntilles | It hates you. |
| 10:07.47 | GeneralAntilles | Gotta treat it sweet like. ;) |
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| 10:26.50 | Mikho | does anyone know which flag would ignore all compiler warnings? |
| 10:28.35 | lardman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:30.06 | Mikho | ok, I'll try that |
| 10:34.45 | aquatix | liri: i have a linkedin profile, yes |
| 10:34.48 | aquatix | why? :) |
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| 10:37.33 | lardman | Interesting, does using the register keyword require a single register large enough to hold the data type, or can it be split? E.g. register mad_fixed64hi_t hi; |
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| 10:44.48 | liri | aquatix: so you can say goodbye to your privacy now :) |
| 10:44.55 | liri | aquatix: I have one too btw |
| 10:45.37 | liri | Robot101: nice to know, thanks. |
| 10:46.00 | liri | Robot101: are there any ideas when would telepathy make it to stable repos? |
| 10:47.01 | Robot101 | liri: eh? it's shipped on the device by default, like, it comes with telepathy-{glib,gabble,sofiasip,mission-control} |
| 10:47.14 | Robot101 | liri: that's how the built-in presence/abook/chat/call apps work |
| 10:47.29 | aquatix | liri: well |
| 10:47.42 | aquatix | liri: who says i have a lot of info on it? :) |
| 10:48.39 | liri | Robot101: maybe I'm confusing things... isn't it supposed to support many IM protocols like pidgin? (i.e icq, msn, irc, etc) |
| 10:48.47 | liri | aquatix: lol |
| 10:48.58 | liri | aquatix: ok well, we'll not argue this :) |
| 10:49.03 | Robot101 | liri: it's an abstraction layer where you can plug in lots of backends |
| 10:49.03 | aquatix | ghehe |
| 10:49.14 | Robot101 | liri: it's already used by the devices to provide SIP and XMPP |
| 10:49.17 | aquatix | liri: just saying i'm a bit hesitant with putting personal stuff online :) |
| 10:49.25 | Robot101 | liri: there's another backend which loads in the pidgin libpurple library |
| 10:49.29 | aquatix | a good researcher can already profile me quite completely |
| 10:49.39 | Robot101 | liri: that lets you add AIM/ICQ/MSN/etc |
| 10:49.43 | aquatix | but i'm a bit hesitant to giving google my complete time scheme |
| 10:50.05 | Robot101 | liri: but it'll never ship by default on the devices, it's got reverse engineered code, all sorts of questions about liability, service agreements, patents, etc |
| 10:50.44 | liri | Robot101: right, I don't expect it to be shipped by default, but is it installable already via app manager? |
| 10:51.42 | Robot101 | hrm, I dunno |
| 10:51.50 | liri | Robot101: by "it" I mean the plugins for the other protocols |
| 10:52.03 | Robot101 | let me have a look |
| 10:52.08 | aquatix | has msn and such that way |
| 10:52.22 | liri | I got a little bit confused about what is what |
| 10:52.23 | GeneralAntilles | The Collabora repo has the necessary stuff. |
| 10:52.28 | aquatix | yeah |
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| 10:52.39 | GeneralAntilles | account-plugins-telepathy and telepathy-whatever |
| 10:52.51 | GeneralAntilles | Be nice to have that stuff in Extras at least. |
| 10:53.02 | aquatix | has collabora haze |
| 10:53.25 | liri | just to make a little sense into it, the currently installed communication tool for doing sip/xmpp is called telepathy right? |
| 10:53.30 | aquatix | http://packages.collabora.co.uk/maemo distribution: diablo components: user |
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| 10:54.56 | Robot101 | oh, our repo does have it |
| 10:54.58 | Robot101 | tum ti tum :) |
| 10:55.43 | liri | Robot101: which repo? diablo testing? |
| 10:55.52 | GeneralAntilles | liri, 4 lines up. . . . |
| 10:55.53 | Robot101 | no the one aquatix just pasted |
| 10:55.56 | aquatix | liri: see my line |
| 10:56.06 | liri | aquatix: what other IMs are you using with it besides msn? |
| 10:56.09 | liri | ahh ok I see it |
| 10:56.25 | Robot101 | I'd just checked on the repo but I'm brain damaged today so I looked in the i386 dir and I didn't see many packages there, lol |
| 10:56.34 | liri | Robot101: what is the package I need to install from there? |
| 10:56.48 | aquatix | liri: erm, yahoo, aim... |
| 10:57.15 | liri | aquatix: does it allow voice/video for msn? |
| 10:57.26 | aquatix | nope, not that i know |
| 10:57.29 | GeneralAntilles | liri, 1 page up. . . . |
| 10:57.40 | GeneralAntilles | aMSN does video and voice with MSN. |
| 10:58.31 | liri | maybe I'll check aMSN too but I'm not too keen on having several messaging apps |
| 10:59.07 | GeneralAntilles | shrugs. |
| 10:59.17 | GeneralAntilles | Well, it's your only option for video and voice with MSN at the moment. |
| 10:59.32 | aquatix | just use sip :) |
| 10:59.36 | liri | yep, I'll check it |
| 10:59.45 | liri | aquatix: I use sip but not all my friends do |
| 10:59.56 | aquatix | beat them till they do ;) |
| 10:59.58 | liri | I'll give aMSN a try, is that on the repos too? |
| 11:00.00 | GeneralAntilles | Time to force your friends to use an open protocol. |
| 11:00.02 | liri | hehe |
| 11:00.07 | liri | tell me about it |
| 11:00.09 | aquatix | or stop talking to them :P |
| 11:00.18 | aquatix | get a cellphone ;) |
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| 11:01.00 | aquatix | loves annoying counter-arguments |
| 11:01.11 | GeneralAntilles | Thankfully everybody I'd want to voice or video to follows my advice in protocol choice. ;) |
| 11:01.25 | aquatix | Robot101: any idea if there's jingle available for maemo? |
| 11:01.32 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: :) |
| 11:01.40 | Robot101 | aquatix: buuh? |
| 11:01.48 | aquatix | never does video chat, only some voip |
| 11:01.50 | Robot101 | aquatix: the built in XMPP thing already makes jingle audio and video calls... |
| 11:02.01 | aquatix | but mainly i do cellphone talks |
| 11:02.06 | aquatix | Robot101: oh duh |
| 11:02.18 | aquatix | gets another coffee |
| 11:05.18 | wnd | talking of which, I've still been unable to establish a voip-call between n810 and my wife's laptop running mac os x with the following requirements met: 1) protocol must be supported by n810's im/voip framework == I don't need to launch skype, gizmo5 or any other "large" and visible application. 2) service needs to be free as in lunch. 3) service needs to work without having to poke holes to local firewall. |
| 11:05.41 | GeneralAntilles | Gizmo |
| 11:05.53 | GeneralAntilles | It's just SIP/Jabber |
| 11:07.18 | wnd | believe me I've tried. obviously I'm doing something horribly wrong, but whatever I do, contact menu on n810 only allows chat, not voip calls. |
| 11:08.01 | GeneralAntilles | You setup the Gizmo account with rtcomm? |
| 11:08.02 | wnd | there's absolutely no problem establishing a voip call between two n8[01]0s |
| 11:08.08 | GeneralAntilles | <username>@sipphone.com ? |
| 11:08.13 | GeneralAntilles | proxy01.sipphone.com |
| 11:08.24 | liri | what's rtcomm? |
| 11:08.31 | GeneralAntilles | The chat framework |
| 11:08.33 | liri | I think that's the one I was talking about |
| 11:08.38 | GeneralAntilles | http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org |
| 11:08.39 | wnd | yeah I have one of those |
| 11:09.01 | aquatix | or an ekiga account |
| 11:09.03 | GeneralAntilles | The rtcomm beta includes a preset for Gizmo VoIP |
| 11:09.11 | GeneralAntilles | It may be worth installing |
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| 11:10.37 | wnd | I've managed to make a call between n810 and linux-pc using an ekiga account, but it worked very unreliably, i.e. sometimes voip would only go one way |
| 11:11.38 | wnd | and what bothers me the most is that pretty much everyone keeps telling me it should work just fine ;-) |
| 11:12.00 | aquatix | do you have some annoying NAT router in between? |
| 11:12.10 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 11:12.12 | wnd | not when I'm testing back home |
| 11:12.25 | GeneralAntilles | Missing a way on one end is a NAT issue. |
| 11:13.31 | wnd | and I though stun would work around that in most cases |
| 11:13.31 | aquatix | has that with his voip phone at home, while stun is enabled :/ |
| 11:13.31 | aquatix | really annoying |
| 11:14.59 | wnd | anyway, I was going to say next that I noticed that some part of stun clearly isn't working as my ip filter is blocking quite a bit of traffic from unstable01.sipphone.com to port 49357. |
| 11:15.32 | wnd | I haven't done anything about it because I figured that I can't possibly expect it to work elsewhere if I need to poke holes back home too |
| 11:16.12 | wnd | and like I said, sometimes the transmission worked both ways |
| 11:16.45 | wnd | and finally, skype works flawlessly |
| 11:17.25 | aquatix | myeah, skype has some neat NAT tricks iirc |
| 11:19.46 | Robot101 | gtalk/jingle is good at NAT traversal |
| 11:19.53 | Robot101 | skype is packed with utter utter bong |
| 11:20.10 | Robot101 | like, it works great, but it does so many ugly things |
| 11:20.31 | Mikho | I wonder what's wrong... DBusConnection * conn = dbus_bus_get(DBUS_BUS_SYSTEM, &err); succeeds, but DBusConnection * conn = dbus_bus_get(DBUS_BUS_SESSION, &err); fails |
| 11:21.03 | wnd | what's the err->message? |
| 11:21.08 | Robot101 | Mikho: are you in scratchbox? don't forget to run under "run-standalone.sh", otherwise the session environment variables don't get set |
| 11:21.19 | Mikho | "did not get reply" |
| 11:22.19 | wnd | is session bus daemon running?-) |
| 11:22.32 | Mikho | This call is from a program started from a taskbar plugin with dbus_bool_t dbus_bus_start_service_by_name -command |
| 11:23.44 | Mikho | the same program can also be found in the task navigator. When I run it from there, everything works |
| 11:23.50 | XTL | Four hours of this boredom will easily match ten of anything else |
| 11:24.14 | Mikho | just when I start the program with dbus, it suddenly can't connect to the *session* bus |
| 11:24.50 | Robot101 | oh |
| 11:24.53 | Robot101 | connect to the starter bus |
| 11:24.57 | Mikho | system bus connection works perfectly in every case |
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| 11:25.08 | Mikho | starter bus? |
| 11:25.19 | Robot101 | the bus that dbus started your application to run on |
| 11:25.33 | Robot101 | so if you're activated by the session bus, it's the session bus |
| 11:25.36 | XTL | \o/ -> |
| 11:25.40 | Mikho | oh |
| 11:26.09 | Mikho | so, I'm not supposed to call osso_initialize from the started program, but to just connect to the starter bus |
| 11:26.22 | Robot101 | hrm |
| 11:26.31 | Robot101 | that is weird though, it should work... |
| 11:26.40 | Mikho | osso_initialize wants to connect to system and session |
| 11:26.42 | Robot101 | I think if you don't call osso_initialize then bad stuff happens |
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| 11:31.07 | Mikho | right... just connecting to starter isn't enough. My app got killed a few seconds after running |
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| 11:49.20 | Mikho | this is so weird... I have two cout << "Blah" << endl; lines in the beginning of my program. If I run the program from the source directory, it prints both lines, but if I move the file to /usr/bin/ it only prints the first line and then nothing |
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| 11:56.45 | crashanddie | Mikho, paste the code to http://www.slexy.org |
| 11:58.26 | Mikho | actually, I think it's an outdated piece of code the dbus is executing. If I remove the executable from /usr/bin, dbus won't start the program, but even if I replace it with a newer version, it still runs the old code |
| 11:59.04 | wnd | check the service file. maybe you changed the path at some point. |
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| 12:07.07 | Mikho | hmmm |
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| 12:09.24 | Mikho | http://pastebin.com/d438b9174 what could explain this? |
| 12:09.46 | Mikho | the running... print line is the first line in the code |
| 12:10.56 | Mikho | it's running a previous version of the program if i copy it to /usr/bin/ |
| 12:11.12 | Mikho | why on earth? |
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| 12:14.22 | Khertan | Hi ! |
| 12:15.43 | aquatix | ey Khertan :) |
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| 12:25.11 | Khertan | is discovering Python Magazine ... |
| 12:25.20 | Khertan | hi aquatix |
| 12:25.41 | liri | lo khertan |
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| 12:28.17 | aquatix | wonders when a NIT edition with a toshiba 240GB 1.8" hdd appears |
| 12:28.23 | aquatix | pmp++ |
| 12:28.46 | GeneralAntilles | Gooooodbyeeee battery life! |
| 12:29.07 | aquatix | who cares ;) |
| 12:29.12 | GeneralAntilles | Me! |
| 12:29.16 | aquatix | too |
| 12:29.18 | aquatix | but still |
| 12:29.26 | GeneralAntilles | Be interesting to see the throughput booting off a 1.8, though. |
| 12:29.34 | aquatix | besides, there are quite a few music players with such hdd's |
| 12:29.51 | aquatix | with decent battery life |
| 12:29.54 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, they don't have hungry SoCs, though. |
| 12:30.11 | aquatix | myeah |
| 12:30.56 | Mikho | ok, I think I solved the problem with osso_initialize. It seems I was supposed to start the service using session bus, not system bus. |
| 12:30.59 | GeneralAntilles | I want a nuclear reactor in my tablet. |
| 12:31.49 | GeneralAntilles | Then I can have my quad-core Cortex A9 running at 2.0GHz and capable of playing Crysis |
| 12:31.57 | GeneralAntilles | with a battery life of 50 years |
| 12:32.03 | liri | haha |
| 12:32.05 | GeneralAntilles | oh, and it can fry eggs |
| 12:32.07 | GeneralAntilles | all the time. |
| 12:32.09 | liri | nice one antilles |
| 12:32.16 | Mikho | but I'm still stumped why it executed different code in /usr/bin directory |
| 12:32.19 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: and do the dishes? |
| 12:32.27 | aquatix | that needs a tremendous amount of energy |
| 12:32.27 | GeneralAntilles | Dry the dishes, certainly. |
| 12:32.31 | aquatix | ghehe |
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| 12:33.26 | Mek | bah, the online train-tickets-booking site refuses to sell me tickets to berlin with some cryptic error message :( |
| 12:33.54 | GeneralAntilles | I love it when that happens. |
| 12:34.13 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: btw, the 240GB 1.8" hdd has a read speed of 488Mbps |
| 12:34.33 | aquatix | or rather, internal speed |
| 12:34.34 | GeneralAntilles | Niceee |
| 12:34.38 | GeneralAntilles | Oh |
| 12:34.44 | GeneralAntilles | I had one of those trying to file a warranty claim on an Xbox |
| 12:35.04 | GeneralAntilles | then the upper-level tech support guy bitched at me because there were at least 2 dozen claim entries in their database. |
| 12:35.18 | GeneralAntilles | Not my fault your claim application is broken. |
| 12:35.54 | aquatix | heh, indeed |
| 12:36.22 | GeneralAntilles | Had to listen to a heavy-metal interpretation of the Halo theme for about an hour. |
| 12:36.29 | GeneralAntilles | also slit his own wrists. |
| 12:36.36 | aquatix | aww |
| 12:36.37 | GeneralAntilles | s/also/almost/ |
| 12:36.39 | Jaffa | Mek: bahn.de ? |
| 12:36.54 | Mek | Jaffa: no... nshispeed.nl (coming from the netherlands) |
| 12:37.20 | aquatix | Mek: ah, the usual cryptic errors of the NS |
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| 12:37.35 | Mek | yeah, "*error.TAMARA.MESSAGE.00801-00510 " doesn't make much sense to me :) |
| 12:37.55 | RST38h | Some tamara has left you an error message |
| 12:37.58 | aquatix | hmmmm, Tamara |
| 12:38.03 | RST38h | Makes perfect sense |
| 12:38.11 | aquatix | !get message 00801-00510 |
| 12:38.12 | povbot | aquatix: Error: The command "get" is available in the Lart and Praise plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "get". |
| 12:38.16 | aquatix | lool |
| 12:38.57 | GeneralAntilles | Whoa |
| 12:39.01 | GeneralAntilles | When did povbot show up? |
| 12:39.27 | Jaffa | Mek: I'm going back to Apeldoorn and booked through bahn.de since it a) worked and b) had an English interface. The .nl site errored for me consistently. |
| 12:39.52 | GeneralAntilles | Must be mgedmin's |
| 12:40.00 | Mek | yeah, I guess I'll try that too... let's hope they don't (like the scottish rail) ignore the country when sending tickets :P |
| 12:40.40 | Jaffa | Mek: bahn.de also did e-tickets which is handy for me cos nss would only post to within .nl |
| 12:42.01 | Mek | hmm... bahn.de doesn't have the cheapest tickets available... perhaps that is why I get errors on the .nl site :) |
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| 12:45.07 | andrewfblack | GeneralAntilles you around got a question you might know |
| 12:45.17 | GeneralAntilles | Hmm? |
| 12:45.43 | andrewfblack | You get Karma from being active in Garage Projects right |
| 12:45.55 | GeneralAntilles | Right |
| 12:46.26 | andrewfblack | is there a delay because I've been releasing stuff like crasy last week or so and I'm still not getting karma the projects are not even showing up under my profile |
| 12:47.02 | GeneralAntilles | Should be 24 hours. |
| 12:47.11 | GeneralAntilles | It could simply not be updating correctly, though. |
| 12:47.15 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, ping? |
| 12:47.24 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: yes, it isn't. |
| 12:47.36 | GeneralAntilles | andrewfblack, well there you go. ;) |
| 12:47.45 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: But I'm working on the new cluster now ;) So.... |
| 12:47.47 | andrewfblack | X-Fade GeneralAntilles thanks |
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| 12:48.09 | GeneralAntilles | andrewfblack, fast maemo.org or accurate karma. |
| 12:48.12 | GeneralAntilles | What do you think? :P |
| 12:48.31 | andrewfblack | GeneralAntililles I would take the Fast maemo.org lol |
| 12:48.39 | GeneralAntilles | Smart man! ;) |
| 12:49.08 | andrewfblack | x-fade is there a way to remove a project? I merge all my themes under one big project. |
| 12:49.22 | X-Fade | andrewfblack: In the admin section of you project. |
| 12:49.31 | X-Fade | andrewfblack: There is a delete button ;) |
| 12:49.45 | andrewfblack | ok I thought there was just couldn't find it |
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| 12:50.37 | lool | aquatix: Hmmm? |
| 12:50.48 | aquatix | eh |
| 12:50.57 | aquatix | *grin* |
| 12:51.03 | aquatix | lool: sorry, it was a long `lol' |
| 12:51.11 | lool | & |
| 12:51.14 | aquatix | didn't know there was an actual person here with that name :) |
| 12:51.41 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 12:51.42 | aquatix | well, actually i did, but didn't realise just yet |
| 12:51.56 | GeneralAntilles | I want a channel filled with people with regular words for nicks. |
| 12:52.00 | Fatal | lool? laughing out of lungs? |
| 12:52.04 | GeneralAntilles | So then I can just tab-complete sentences. |
| 12:52.40 | aquatix | Fatal: i just stretched the sound of the word :) |
| 12:52.43 | Fatal | I did a poor dictonary tabcompletion once for irssi, threw it away since it took too long to tab to a nick :) |
| 12:52.52 | Fatal | laughing out out loud? |
| 12:52.52 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: *grin* |
| 12:53.10 | Fatal | aquatix: contrary to popular belief, lol is not a word :) |
| 12:53.21 | aquatix | Fatal: myeah, i'm at that point that i use it as a word |
| 12:53.24 | aquatix | even in real life |
| 12:53.38 | aquatix | i'm quite aware of the acronym |
| 12:53.40 | GeneralAntilles | docks aquatix points. |
| 12:53.45 | aquatix | :( |
| 12:53.50 | Mek | Fatal: in dutch it is a word... |
| 12:53.51 | Fatal | your spouse have my sincere condolances |
| 12:53.56 | aquatix | spends too much time on irc |
| 12:54.01 | aquatix | Mek: that too |
| 12:54.02 | Fatal | Mek: but dutch are not popular |
| 12:54.10 | aquatix | Fatal: no, but i am dutch |
| 12:54.23 | aquatix | not quite a coincidence |
| 12:55.12 | aquatix | Fatal: my spouse has some experience with me being weird ;) |
| 12:56.04 | Fatal | aquatix: :) |
| 12:57.01 | Jaffa | Anyone heard from OSiM yet? |
| 12:57.26 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Yes, but I am a speaker. |
| 13:06.11 | Jaffa | X-Fade: hmm. Might stick something on -community or email Quim or on the wiki |
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| 13:06.30 | Jaffa | http://linuxuk.org/node/53#comment-76 interesting comment |
| 13:06.47 | Jaffa | *very* interesting comment. *very very* interesting comment. |
| 13:07.34 | aquatix | hm :) |
| 13:07.46 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Well, Peter should know ;) |
| 13:07.47 | GeneralAntilles | Ooooh |
| 13:08.22 | GeneralAntilles | gets a little of the old pre-Macworld Keynote buildup giddiness. |
| 13:08.32 | Jaffa | Indeed |
| 13:08.37 | Jaffa | X-Fade: heh |
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| 13:11.09 | crashanddie | Jaffa, big announcement during Ari's keynote? |
| 13:11.23 | crashanddie | AAAARGGGGHHH I'm going nuts from not joining the summit |
| 13:11.32 | jott | "...one more thing" :) |
| 13:11.38 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 13:12.06 | RST38h | Jaaksi is no Jobs though |
| 13:12.14 | X-Fade | You've got to be there, that is sure. |
| 13:12.20 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody buy him a black turtleneck. |
| 13:12.27 | RST38h | So, expect to hear a lot about the power of open source |
| 13:12.32 | RST38h | But no new products =) |
| 13:13.01 | crashanddie | bleh, I could do that |
| 13:13.10 | crashanddie | keeps mumbling and crawls back into his cave |
| 13:13.25 | GeneralAntilles | Trolls live in caves. |
| 13:13.43 | crashanddie | s/his/GeneralAntilles's/ |
| 13:14.06 | GeneralAntilles | Creeper! |
| 13:14.42 | crashanddie | anyway, gotta go buy some tobacco, ttyl |
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| 13:31.55 | Khertan | "you might get ready to face more question on the booth than you like after Ari's presentation..." |
| 13:32.02 | Khertan | yep interesting comment |
| 13:32.03 | Khertan | :) |
| 13:35.44 | kulve | I made a little CP plugin, but I get "Illegal instruction" when I start it on my n810. Any hints what I might be doing wrong? |
| 13:36.24 | XTL | Doing CP in a society that doesn't approve of it? |
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| 13:47.09 | X-Fade | Andy80: I updated your blog link on the planet. (Sorry, holiday delays) |
| 13:47.21 | Andy80 | X-Fade, thanks :) |
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| 13:49.22 | liri | damn it, stupid drupal config |
| 13:49.32 | Mek | yay, managed to buy a reasonably priced train ticket to berlin after all... it arrives half an hour later than I had hoped, but I'll still get there during lunch on friday :) |
| 13:50.27 | Stskeeps | "more question on the booth than you like after Ari's presentation". Nokia decides to sell Windows Mobile tablets? ;> |
| 13:51.19 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: heh |
| 13:51.30 | kulve | hmm.. My issue seems to relate to sqlite3. Are there any known issues with it..? |
| 13:51.34 | GeneralAntilles | Maemo's moving to Garnet |
| 13:51.49 | Jaffa | "So, I'd like to announce that Maemo 5 will be based on Android and that Java will be the primary development language on our tablet line" |
| 13:52.20 | GeneralAntilles | can only imagine what'll happen to RST38h with that announcement. |
| 13:52.42 | Jaffa | "So, now, I'd like to welcome on stage Steve Jobs to discuss the open sourcing of OS X Mobile and what this means for Maemo and iPhone application compatibility" |
| 13:52.59 | aquatix | riiight :) |
| 13:53.05 | rm_you | roflcopter |
| 13:53.10 | Jaffa | No? |
| 13:53.21 | aquatix | ``Let's talk about merging open source symbian and maemo'' |
| 13:53.30 | Jaffa | Oh god. |
| 13:53.36 | Jaffa | That's almost believable |
| 13:53.39 | GeneralAntilles | "Maemo sux. U guys go home." |
| 13:54.00 | aquatix | Jaffa: indeed, might even be a slightly good idea |
| 13:54.09 | GeneralAntilles | Symbian? :shudder: |
| 13:54.31 | aquatix | rather likes his sony ericsson m600i; nice companion for a n810 |
| 13:55.58 | GeneralAntilles | "N900 will be shipping in November with a quad-band cellular modem for $799 with a 2-year contract" |
| 13:56.35 | jaska | syphilis |
| 13:57.02 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: ouch |
| 13:57.11 | GeneralAntilles | N800 == plague blanket? |
| 14:01.17 | Jaffa | Of course, what we really want is: "N900 will be shipping next month, but the initial device programme versions are here and we'll be handing them out at the Maemo Summit" |
| 14:02.08 | GeneralAntilles | will die. |
| 14:02.12 | andre___ | haha, i don't think that will happen |
| 14:02.28 | kulve | ah, my illegal instruction was due to the fact that I didn't link against sqlite and still used it.. |
| 14:02.47 | GeneralAntilles | andre___, well duuuuuh. :P |
| 14:03.03 | GeneralAntilles | Considering the silicon is still in no shape to ship. |
| 14:03.14 | Khertan | Jaffa: i ll prefere the last sentence |
| 14:03.24 | Khertan | s/prefere/prefer |
| 14:06.11 | Jaffa | andre___: doesn't stop the dreaming |
| 14:06.28 | lardman | What is it with people and bug reports? |
| 14:06.42 | Khertan | gnié ? |
| 14:06.53 | lardman | not sure how Eero's A and B options have merged and been ignored completely in the answers |
| 14:06.59 | lardman | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2878 |
| 14:07.05 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 14:07.08 | summatusmentis | they don't normally announce hardware at the summit? |
| 14:07.11 | GeneralAntilles | It's the GPS bug, lardman. |
| 14:07.24 | lardman | yeah |
| 14:07.28 | GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, there is no "normally" anything at the summit. |
| 14:07.31 | GeneralAntilles | It's the first one. . . . |
| 14:07.35 | summatusmentis | oh it is? |
| 14:07.41 | summatusmentis | that'd explain it :) |
| 14:07.46 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, all of tz's bug reports suck. |
| 14:07.53 | summatusmentis | == noob |
| 14:07.53 | Khertan | summatusmentis: they will announce hardware at the summit ... at least in one of the 3 first summit |
| 14:07.59 | GeneralAntilles | lives in fear of triaging his next report. |
| 14:08.01 | Mek | at akademy the nokians at least hinted they were going to announce something at this summit... |
| 14:08.42 | Jaffa | Mek: they did? |
| 14:08.43 | Khertan | Mek: color on the Application Manager ! |
| 14:08.51 | Khertan | :) |
| 14:09.00 | Jaffa | There've been lots of hints, but I do like to know them all :) |
| 14:09.01 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: If we had some more details about the sat chipset, i.e. min snr values or preferably some debugging output, that bug could be split into two parts - agps failures and chipset failures |
| 14:09.19 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: but you know that, I'm preaching to the converted :) |
| 14:09.24 | Mek | perhaps they were just trying to convince people to come to the summit though :P |
| 14:09.45 | summatusmentis | I don't want amazing new hardware released, because I hate spending money |
| 14:09.59 | jott | the keynote will be at osim though :( |
| 14:10.10 | Khertan | i would love a new hardware if he can have it at a developper price |
| 14:10.38 | Khertan | i hope i could see it |
| 14:10.53 | Khertan | as i arrived in the morning at berlin tegel |
| 14:11.03 | Khertan | i ll arrive |
| 14:11.05 | Khertan | :) |
| 14:11.37 | lardman | would like some cool new hardware |
| 14:11.46 | lardman | preferably with a DSP which has an 8bit char! |
| 14:11.51 | Khertan | lol |
| 14:12.14 | Khertan | i don't hope many things in fact ... i found that the n810 is really a good device |
| 14:12.33 | kulve | lardman: I guess that's not going to happen :) |
| 14:12.51 | X-Fade | lardman: 64bit is hot ;) |
| 14:12.51 | Khertan | i m expecting more from the software than the hardware |
| 14:12.56 | lardman | kulve: the omap3xxx has the tms320c6xx which has an 8bit byte |
| 14:13.05 | RST38h | 64bit is useless unless it can be used in groups |
| 14:13.12 | RST38h | Like 8x8 =) |
| 14:13.18 | kulve | lardman: oh? |
| 14:13.24 | lardman | yeah :) |
| 14:13.52 | kulve | I have beagleboard at the office but I haven't touched the dsp though.. |
| 14:14.32 | lardman | I had a quick skim of the DSP manual |
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| 14:14.47 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, faster, too! ;) |
| 14:15.14 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Oh, sure 64 > 32, so why wouldn't it ;) |
| 14:15.17 | Jaffa | Khertan: indeed, having some UI consistency will be cool |
| 14:15.24 | lardman | different interface mind you - will use the Ti stuff probably, but then that might make debugging easier |
| 14:15.40 | GeneralAntilles | I'm excited to have fewer hardware hurdles. |
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| 14:16.03 | lardman | me too, far too much time spent arsing about trying to convert 8bit to 16bit code and debugging it |
| 14:16.04 | Khertan | Jaffa: yep .. but don't expected dev to use the default one if the ui is ugly |
| 14:16.08 | X-Fade | Jaffa: 10:30 Hildon UI Vision, by Harri Kiljander (Director, User Experience - Maemo Software @ Nokia) |
| 14:16.23 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Talk to him ;) |
| 14:16.26 | Khertan | Jaffa: like no image-button set to False in all the rc theme engine |
| 14:16.28 | msh | it's all going to be like canola! |
| 14:16.32 | msh | ducks |
| 14:16.44 | lardman | as long as it has opengl accel that's fine |
| 14:16.47 | Khertan | and i hope not something like canal ! |
| 14:16.51 | Khertan | canola ! |
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| 14:17.03 | GeneralAntilles | msh, I will murder somebody. |
| 14:17.14 | crashanddie | Laptop with 24h battery life: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7606686.stm |
| 14:17.15 | msh | hm. there's no published way to find out the current draw (or I guess battery life) on the 810 is there? |
| 14:17.27 | Khertan | will help GeneralAntilles to hide the corpse |
| 14:17.36 | msh | apart from splicing charger cables I guess, though that might be skewed by the battery |
| 14:17.48 | GeneralAntilles | msh, it's available from retu, I believe. |
| 14:17.49 | crashanddie | msh, eh? |
| 14:17.53 | msh | retu? |
| 14:18.09 | crashanddie | msh, and you think the information in the task bar is what? Illuminati et Dei? |
| 14:18.11 | GeneralAntilles | The values and their correspondence to reality isn't published, though. |
| 14:18.36 | msh | crashanddie: I mean with better than 5 levels of granularity |
| 14:18.51 | msh | like, could I run an app for say 5 minutes and see if I've improved it's power consumption |
| 14:18.54 | GeneralAntilles | msh, there's battery-level from nitapps.com |
| 14:18.58 | GeneralAntilles | It's a start, anyway. |
| 14:19.06 | msh | GeneralAntilles: thanks, I'll take a look at that |
| 14:19.28 | Khertan | msh: but five minute isn't enough to test battery drain |
| 14:19.30 | sebas | msh: powertop should be able to show it |
| 14:19.39 | sebas | Not sure if there's a maemo package for it |
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| 14:21.46 | GeneralAntilles | Mmm . . . first Qt game for Maemo: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=222671 |
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| 14:36.24 | Jaffa | mutters at ITT users http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=222666#post222666 |
| 14:36.36 | Jaffa | (Moaning about voting) |
| 14:36.55 | GAN800 | Lotta moaning late in the game. |
| 14:40.02 | Jaffa | wonders if brontide is upset about his karma level http://maemo.org/profile/view/brontide/ |
| 14:40.06 | GAN800 | Tim sorta annihilated the community definitions. <_< |
| 14:40.52 | GAN800 | Account age, I believe. |
| 14:40.58 | lardman | Discussion karma points are knackered |
| 14:41.13 | lardman | Groups are also messed up (in terms of what's seen) |
| 14:41.41 | lardman | and what happens to wiki generated points, assuming this is even included any more? |
| 14:42.08 | crashanddie | Lamborghini Superleggera sitting on 4 tea-cups: http://jalopnik.com/photogallery/supertea/1003517440 |
| 14:42.44 | lardman | interesting :), I'd prefer a 430 though |
| 14:43.01 | RST38h | it is easier to list parts of maemo.org that are NOT messed up right now |
| 14:43.16 | GAN800 | wiki plugin isn't written yet |
| 14:43.27 | crashanddie | lardman, you'd rather have a car made by Fiat? |
| 14:43.29 | GAN800 | If somebody wants to write the plugin, the karma points will be there. |
| 14:43.45 | GAN800 | F430 is too heavy. |
| 14:43.54 | lardman | crashanddie: yes, both are Italian anyway, that's surely the major disadvantage ;) |
| 14:44.04 | RST38h | would rather prefer a Toyota =) |
| 14:44.09 | crashanddie | lol |
| 14:44.14 | GAN800 | Lamborghini seems to be a bunch of AWD whores lately. |
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| 14:44.24 | GAN800 | I could go for a Countach, though |
| 14:44.25 | lardman | GAN800: well they are now Audi aren't they |
| 14:44.32 | derf | What's wrong with his karma level? |
| 14:44.35 | GAN800 | Ah, right, lardman, true enough. |
| 14:44.40 | aquatix | crashanddie: tea-cups with steel poles hidden inside? |
| 14:44.42 | lardman | Ignore my comment about being Italian, brain in gear |
| 14:44.44 | GAN800 | derf, he's angry about his account not being old enough. |
| 14:44.45 | crashanddie | lardman, yeah, they are |
| 14:45.06 | GAN800 | RST38h, that's what I drive. ;) |
| 14:45.08 | derf | GAN800: Oh, that makes more sense. |
| 14:45.21 | crashanddie | bugatti is half german/half french |
| 14:45.21 | GAN800 | Actually, my dream car would be a Lotus Elise of some sort. |
| 14:45.29 | GAN800 | Bugatti is trash |
| 14:45.35 | X-Fade | Fisker Karma ;) |
| 14:45.38 | crashanddie | GAN800, I love the Elise... Not too powerful, but good looking and very light |
| 14:45.48 | X-Fade | http://www.fiskerautomotive.com/vehicles/features/ |
| 14:45.51 | crashanddie | GAN800, well, you have to admit, they know how to build a car |
| 14:46.01 | GAN800 | Took a ride in my uncle's Elise Sport about a month ago. |
| 14:46.06 | GAN800 | crashanddie, no they don't. |
| 14:46.11 | GAN800 | They know how to build a space shuttle. |
| 14:46.12 | X-Fade | Finnish and battery powered ;) |
| 14:46.14 | RST38h | GA: I eventually switched to Honda but mainly because RAV4 was such a useless toy |
| 14:46.18 | crashanddie | GAN800, lol... |
| 14:46.20 | GAN800 | The Veyron is no "car". |
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| 14:46.48 | GAN800 | 197HP is quite a lot in a 2,100lbs vehicle. |
| 14:47.07 | GAN800 | X-Fade, plug-in hybrid sports car? |
| 14:47.07 | GAN800 | Ew. |
| 14:47.19 | crashanddie | it drives on roads, it has four wheels, and runs on fuel... That's a car in my book |
| 14:47.34 | aquatix | X-Fade: hm, looks quite nice |
| 14:47.46 | GAN800 | crashanddie, it's also got 16 cylinders, 4 turbo chargers and a cooling system more complicated than the human circulatory system. |
| 14:47.48 | RST38h | BTW, folks, where exactly do you drive your Ferraris and other sports cars? =) |
| 14:47.49 | GAN800 | Space shuttle. |
| 14:47.58 | GAN800 | RST38h, I take all of mine muddin' |
| 14:48.00 | X-Fade | aquatix: Price isn't bad.... for a sports car. |
| 14:48.01 | GAN800 | at the same time. |
| 14:48.01 | aquatix | RST38h: highway, duh |
| 14:48.10 | RST38h | and at which speed? ;) |
| 14:48.14 | GAN800 | Anything that's got CVT isn't a sports car. |
| 14:48.20 | GAN800 | RST38h, uh million. |
| 14:48.21 | aquatix | 200% above alowed, duh |
| 14:48.34 | aquatix | stupid snakes on the roads... |
| 14:48.36 | lardman | I'd still prefer a McLaren F1 over a Veyron, even if it is comparatively slow ;) |
| 14:48.38 | crashanddie | GAN800, and as many radiators as your house, yeah, we know |
| 14:48.46 | GAN800 | lardman, now there's a car. |
| 14:48.49 | crashanddie | lardman, I'm in love with the McLaren |
| 14:48.56 | GAN800 | Veyron is over-engineered trash. |
| 14:48.59 | crashanddie | central position == awesome |
| 14:49.02 | aquatix | wouldn't mind an Elise, or a Mazda mx5 |
| 14:49.09 | lardman | 180-200mph in ~7sec iirc |
| 14:49.13 | crashanddie | GAN800, I just love it for the technical prowess |
| 14:49.13 | lardman | that's quite quick |
| 14:49.23 | GAN800 | The McLaren is a work of understated beauty. |
| 14:49.23 | aquatix | crashanddie: you don't have a girlfriend? or do you want to flee her real quick? |
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| 14:49.32 | lardman | crashanddie: I like the idea of active aero, should have that in F1 me thinks |
| 14:49.35 | GAN800 | crashanddie, go love the space shuttle. |
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| 14:49.42 | aquatix | the F1 is quite awesome though indeed |
| 14:49.49 | RST38h | vehicle porn. |
| 14:49.51 | crashanddie | GAN800, lol... |
| 14:49.54 | GAN800 | They Veyron is impressive for being completely over-engineered and way, way too expensive for what it is. |
| 14:50.04 | crashanddie | GAN800, it costs £6M to produce |
| 14:50.08 | crashanddie | and is sold £800k |
| 14:50.15 | lardman | RST38h: there was a TV program in the UK about that a few weeks back - people who love their cars, literally! |
| 14:50.24 | GAN800 | The Elise, that's an impressive car. |
| 14:50.41 | GAN800 | Small, lightweight, and getting its kick out of a stupid little 1.8l Toyota engine. |
| 14:50.42 | X-Fade | GAN800: For GiRlZZ ;) |
| 14:51.01 | RST38h | lardman: umgh... was it shown as part of adult programming? =) |
| 14:51.36 | GAN800 | They need to take all tho limits off Formula 1. |
| 14:51.39 | crashanddie | lardman, was it this: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=HvuY1nO27Go ? |
| 14:51.47 | GAN800 | 1600hp, enough downforce to push it through the pavement. |
| 14:51.51 | Khertan | I prefer Tesla Motors |
| 14:51.55 | GAN800 | Ew |
| 14:52.01 | GAN800 | Anything electric is not a sports car. |
| 14:52.12 | GAN800 | You don't even get to shift a Tesla |
| 14:52.13 | lardman | crashanddie: yeah, sounds about right, I didn't watch it |
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| 14:52.20 | GAN800 | Might as well drive a Prius. |
| 14:52.27 | lardman | GAN800: nasty machine |
| 14:52.31 | Khertan | GAN800: have you ever try a tesla ? |
| 14:52.37 | GAN800 | Khertan, don't have to. |
| 14:52.41 | GAN800 | It's got no transmission. |
| 14:52.43 | GAN800 | Garbage. |
| 14:52.48 | Khertan | ha ... |
| 14:52.48 | RST38h | Why is electric not a sports car? |
| 14:52.49 | lardman | GAN800: lots of torque though |
| 14:52.53 | GAN800 | "Woo, I put mah foot on the gas!!!!!" |
| 14:52.56 | Khertan | yep ... but it s powerfull |
| 14:52.57 | GAN800 | That's not driving. |
| 14:53.02 | Khertan | GAN800: yep true |
| 14:53.08 | GAN800 | Yeah, well, a truck with a rocket attached to the back is fast, too. |
| 14:53.12 | X-Fade | GAN800: Feel the power of electrical engines... |
| 14:53.15 | RST38h | If its battery has enough amperage to accelerate you faster than a gas engine, how is it not a sports car? |
| 14:53.18 | Khertan | so i prefer this : http://www.az1customimport.com/spip.php?article61 |
| 14:53.20 | GAN800 | X-Fade, thanks, but no thanks. |
| 14:53.30 | GAN800 | RST38h, you're not driving something you're not shifting. |
| 14:53.34 | Khertan | ah oups wrong link |
| 14:53.36 | GAN800 | Steering, brake and gas? |
| 14:53.38 | lardman | I agree with RST38h, I wouldn't want one mind you, but it's still a sports car |
| 14:53.39 | GAN800 | That's a commuter car. |
| 14:54.02 | GAN800 | By the way, Mercedes doesn't make sports cars anymore. ;) |
| 14:54.17 | lardman | never did ;) |
| 14:54.21 | RST38h | GA: Last time I "shifted", I was driving a Lada 2105 and it *definitely* felt shittier than an AT CRV |
| 14:54.22 | GAN800 | Pfft |
| 14:54.32 | lardman | BMW have fallen over with the M3 as well |
| 14:54.38 | GAN800 | Yeah, the M3 is sad. |
| 14:54.47 | lardman | Sounds nice though |
| 14:55.02 | GAN800 | lardman, the 190 was certainly a sports car. |
| 14:55.06 | lardman | but that's the wonder of the V8 |
| 14:55.10 | lardman | GAN800: yeah, true |
| 14:55.19 | GAN800 | straight-six is so much cooler. |
| 14:55.34 | GAN800 | Khertan, ew, AWD. :P |
| 14:55.40 | lardman | Aerial atom has a small displacement V8 iirc |
| 14:55.44 | Khertan | i like this one : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoUHAIvb_kc&feature=related |
| 14:55.54 | GAN800 | I could go for an E30 M3 |
| 14:55.55 | Khertan | skyline is real sport car ! |
| 14:56.09 | lardman | GAN800: wrong hand drive for us, but nice |
| 14:56.28 | Khertan | specially the gtr34 |
| 14:56.29 | GAN800 | Actually, the only AWD car I even remotely like is the Lancia Delta. |
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| 14:56.48 | Khertan | GAN800: i ve test a rt10 |
| 14:56.51 | Khertan | nice car ! |
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| 14:57.23 | lbt | cars... |
| 14:57.31 | lbt | :D |
| 14:57.55 | lbt | TVR Tuscan |
| 14:58.04 | GAN800 | TVR makes some nice stuff |
| 14:58.10 | GAN800 | Sagaris looks really nice. |
| 14:58.14 | lardman | falls to bits though, or leaks, or both |
| 14:58.22 | GAN800 | It's British. . . . |
| 14:58.29 | lardman | Russian ;) |
| 14:58.38 | lbt | neither |
| 14:58.39 | lardman | but yes, not German |
| 14:58.44 | lbt | they're dead :( |
| 14:58.48 | GAN800 | BMW E30 M3, Mercedes 190E, and Lancia Delta EvoIII |
| 14:58.50 | GAN800 | Perfect garage. |
| 14:58.53 | RST38h | TVR is dead |
| 14:58.53 | lbt | http://www.dgreaves.com/bins/Cars/Tuscan/20061007-160737-PS_Lg.jpg |
| 14:58.57 | lardman | I thought another Russian had bought the rights? |
| 14:59.12 | GAN800 | You're such a whore, lbt. . . . |
| 14:59.13 | RST38h | yes, but it went belly up recently |
| 14:59.13 | lbt | all vapourware now |
| 14:59.18 | lbt | I know |
| 14:59.23 | lbt | but I like my cats |
| 14:59.44 | GAN800 | All the great British marques are dying. |
| 14:59.46 | lbt | http://www.dgreaves.com/bins/Cars/06-DB7-or-XKR_Lg.jpg |
| 14:59.46 | GAN800 | So sad |
| 15:00.03 | GAN800 | Jaguar has been dead for a while. |
| 15:00.18 | GAN800 | 'least they're not Ford anymore. |
| 15:00.21 | lbt | well, the XF is helping them |
| 15:00.30 | GAN800 | could go for an XJ220 |
| 15:01.02 | lardman | GAN800: small capacity twin turbo :/ |
| 15:01.16 | lbt | nah, big V8 + supercharger... |
| 15:01.25 | GeneralAntilles | 3.5L V6 |
| 15:01.28 | GeneralAntilles | In the XJ220 |
| 15:01.47 | lardman | far better with a nice BMW V12 in the F1 :) |
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| 15:01.51 | GeneralAntilles | I don't care, lardman. It's a beautiful car. |
| 15:02.04 | lardman | form and function! |
| 15:02.06 | lardman | ;) |
| 15:02.09 | lbt | aesthetics win every time... |
| 15:02.16 | GeneralAntilles | The V6 is almost cooler, though. |
| 15:02.25 | GeneralAntilles | Since it's not just another V12 supercar |
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| 15:02.47 | GeneralAntilles | Mmmm http://www.supercars.net/Pics?v=y&s=c&id=877&p=1993_Jaguar_XJ2201.jpg |
| 15:03.13 | lbt | I nearly got to drive one |
| 15:03.19 | lbt | we went on a track day |
| 15:03.25 | lbt | but it didn't turn up :( |
| 15:03.38 | GeneralAntilles | Too bad |
| 15:03.39 | Khertan | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5mRuJmddjw |
| 15:03.41 | Khertan | :) |
| 15:03.49 | lbt | yup - v.sad to say the least! |
| 15:04.07 | GeneralAntilles | I'm just not impressed by Japanese sports cars. |
| 15:04.10 | GeneralAntilles | They have no elegance. |
| 15:04.28 | lbt | I've done 180+mph indicated on a 1000cc bike |
| 15:04.35 | GeneralAntilles | Oh snap! http://www.supercars.net/Pics?v=y&s=c&id=877&p=1993_Jaguar_XJ2201.jpg |
| 15:04.35 | lbt | A12 |
| 15:04.46 | lardman | careful what you say |
| 15:04.54 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=222692&postcount=72 |
| 15:04.57 | GeneralAntilles | Stupid slow clipboard |
| 15:05.07 | lbt | 'twas a while back... |
| 15:05.17 | Khertan | GeneralAntilles: hum ... i like the line of the skyline gtr34 |
| 15:05.23 | crashanddie | has anyone of you seen a V12 for real? |
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| 15:05.34 | lbt | I had a XJS V12 |
| 15:05.35 | Khertan | but yep ... i like too a nice viper :) |
| 15:05.37 | lardman | how do yo umean? |
| 15:05.38 | crashanddie | like, put the coin on the hood, and rev it up? And the coin doesn't top over? |
| 15:05.43 | Khertan | crashanddie: yep |
| 15:05.56 | Khertan | in a truck :) |
| 15:06.02 | crashanddie | in a truck? LMAO |
| 15:06.03 | lbt | but when you revved it up the tail went sideways... |
| 15:06.16 | GeneralAntilles | This is making me hungry for another round of the ALMS |
| 15:06.19 | lbt | most tail-happy car ever |
| 15:06.27 | GeneralAntilles | I've even got a real camera to take pics with this year. . . . |
| 15:06.33 | Khertan | LMAO ? |
| 15:06.34 | crashanddie | lbt, like any porsche |
| 15:06.58 | lbt | never had a porsche - not our cup of tea |
| 15:07.06 | Khertan | and a diablo |
| 15:07.11 | crashanddie | nha, I mean they're tail-happy |
| 15:07.12 | Khertan | but i haven't drive it ... |
| 15:07.16 | Khertan | only passager |
| 15:07.19 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm, OK, 959'd be the other 4WD car I like. |
| 15:07.23 | crashanddie | cuz of the massive engine sitting on the back wheels |
| 15:07.29 | lbt | never really driven one either |
| 15:07.38 | lardman | and the fact you could drive from Paris to Dakar? |
| 15:07.45 | GeneralAntilles | It's amazing how they turned such a fucked up drive arrangement into a workable vehicle. |
| 15:08.48 | Khertan | i ve see a v12 also in a peugeot ... |
| 15:08.57 | lbt | <grin> |
| 15:08.58 | Khertan | at the exposition parc ... |
| 15:09.05 | Khertan | a 907 |
| 15:09.10 | XTL | :) |
| 15:09.11 | crashanddie | the word "peugeot" in that sentence cancels out any coolness of your statement :P |
| 15:09.12 | Khertan | it s a prototype |
| 15:09.17 | lardman | Diesel? |
| 15:09.20 | Khertan | :) |
| 15:09.31 | GeneralAntilles | You know what's something to behold? |
| 15:09.35 | Khertan | concept car ... more than a prototype |
| 15:09.35 | GeneralAntilles | The Audi R10 |
| 15:09.36 | Khertan | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peugeot_907 |
| 15:09.42 | GeneralAntilles | Quietest race car ever |
| 15:09.45 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, I drove in an R8 |
| 15:09.56 | GeneralAntilles | The LMP1 R10 |
| 15:10.02 | lbt | the R8 is nice |
| 15:10.06 | crashanddie | no it's not |
| 15:10.09 | lardman | still an Audi though |
| 15:10.11 | crashanddie | IT'S FUCKING AWESOME |
| 15:10.14 | Khertan | it was presented at the 'Salon of automobile' |
| 15:10.16 | Khertan | :) |
| 15:10.35 | XTL | The real R8, not the hideous roadcar |
| 15:10.36 | GeneralAntilles | Corvette C6.R versus Audi R10 |
| 15:10.45 | lardman | Take the German any day |
| 15:10.47 | GeneralAntilles | Corvette warbles along like a big, wonderful American V8. |
| 15:10.51 | GeneralAntilles | The R10 just whispers by. |
| 15:10.55 | lardman | American cars can't go round corners can they? ;) |
| 15:11.14 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, the C6.R consistently wipes the floor with the DBR9. ;) |
| 15:11.18 | lardman | Though the Corvette is very quick |
| 15:11.23 | lardman | yeah |
| 15:11.41 | lardman | Difference between race cars and road cars presumably? |
| 15:11.43 | GeneralAntilles | But, no, there aren't many impressive American roadcars these days. |
| 15:11.47 | GeneralAntilles | Corvette and Viper |
| 15:11.56 | GeneralAntilles | I love me that Z06 |
| 15:12.06 | lardman | What's the Dukes of Hazzard car? |
| 15:12.25 | GeneralAntilles | 69 Charger |
| 15:12.33 | GeneralAntilles | I like the 66 Charger a lot more. |
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| 15:12.47 | lardman | There's a new one out isn't there, retro style? |
| 15:13.01 | GeneralAntilles | Nah, you're thinking of the Challenger. |
| 15:13.02 | glass | aerowarrior roadrunner |
| 15:13.05 | GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Challenger |
| 15:13.13 | kulve | is gstreamer0.10-tools in some repo for diablo? |
| 15:13.17 | X-Fade | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.50 | GeneralAntilles | Gimme a 1970 Vanishing Point-white Dodge Challenger R/T any day. |
| 15:13.59 | lardman | X-Fade: give us a hint of new hw and we'll switch back to Nokia products ;) |
| 15:14.05 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 15:14.19 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, X-Fade, that is an ultimatum. :P |
| 15:14.26 | X-Fade | lardman: That is all public knowledge already? |
| 15:15.06 | GeneralAntilles | One week |
| 15:15.10 | GeneralAntilles | I'm gonna die in the meantime. |
| 15:15.13 | lardman | sounds better when it comes from one of you guys though |
| 15:15.20 | GeneralAntilles | pulls a Cartman and freezes himself. |
| 15:15.35 | GeneralAntilles | "you guys" being the maemo.org team? :P |
| 15:16.19 | lardman | Maemo.org|Nokia |
| 15:17.04 | GeneralAntilles | !!! |
| 15:17.05 | povbot | GeneralAntilles: Error: "!!" is not a valid command. |
| 15:17.12 | GeneralAntilles | s/Maemo.org/maemo.org/g |
| 15:18.25 | Khertan | I love my peugeot 306 :) |
| 15:18.34 | crashanddie | this is just sad: http://www.xpl.se/pervers-rutchkana-f-r-barn-2.html |
| 15:18.56 | GeneralAntilles | is still stuck on 3g. :( |
| 15:19.27 | kulve | nobody is using gst-launch on diablo? |
| 15:19.30 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, just the 3 seconds should give you an idea |
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| 15:21.42 | lardman | kulve: sorry, not had to use it since chinook |
| 15:21.43 | crashanddie | lol http://www.torquenstein.net/NYPD/slides/NYPD_Squad_car.html# |
| 15:24.06 | msh | aha, lshal|grep battery |
| 15:24.10 | summatusmentis | s there a media player that has kinetic scrolling? |
| 15:24.13 | summatusmentis | is8 |
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| 15:24.15 | summatusmentis | is** |
| 15:24.26 | lardman | summatusmentis: I thought most did now |
| 15:24.38 | summatusmentis | on maemo, I should be more specific |
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| 15:24.45 | lardman | summatusmentis: canola, media centre, does kagu? |
| 15:25.18 | lardman | s/media centre/mediabox |
| 15:25.18 | summatusmentis | I don't know, I'm only just starting to investigate multimedia on maemo |
| 15:25.51 | summatusmentis | thoughts on which one is best? :-P |
| 15:26.08 | lardman | I was going to try mediabox |
| 15:27.32 | summatusmentis | and a2dp only works with something based on mplayer right? |
| 15:27.54 | lardman | yes, though there's also a gstreamer sink if anyone wants to give it a go |
| 15:28.38 | summatusmentis | hmm, ok |
| 15:28.49 | summatusmentis | (might be picking up an n800 for media :-D) |
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| 15:31.42 | lopz | hola |
| 15:31.55 | lardman | anyone know about the register keyword? |
| 15:32.26 | lardman | and specifically how GCC converts that into register held data for 64bit types |
| 15:32.35 | kulve | now I have the gst-launch, had to compile it myself.. |
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| 15:42.03 | kulve | does somebody want to "beta" test my ogg-support for diablo? |
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| 15:48.24 | lcuk2 | lardman, if the compiler knows how to store a 64bit value inside a data register then i would assume it would do (like if compiling on an x64 |
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| 15:48.37 | Khertan_n810 | hi again |
| 15:48.52 | lardman | yeah, but on arm registers are 32bit |
| 15:48.53 | Khertan_n810 | now i ve implemented all things i want to mcalendar |
| 15:48.56 | lardman | aren't they |
| 15:49.07 | Khertan_n810 | i ll try to do an gpe like view |
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| 15:50.07 | lcuk2 | lardman, yer i know that, but register is just a hint anyway |
| 15:50.08 | Khertan_n810 | do you have an idea if i should try to do it with gtk button/grid ... or something drawing by hand |
| 15:50.20 | lcuk2 | im not sure if it will try to alloc a regpair |
| 15:50.23 | lardman | lcuk2: yep, I was just wondering what GCC would do in that case |
| 15:50.34 | lardman | not to worry anyway |
| 15:50.50 | lcuk2 | is this dsp or arm |
| 15:51.01 | lardman | code for the arm being ported to dsp |
| 15:51.24 | lardman | am off, back later |
| 15:51.43 | derf | I've always found the register keyword fairly useless. |
| 15:51.49 | lcuk2 | ahhh, i wouldnt worry, justignore all register declarations in the original code and then once you have it on and working proceed to optimize |
| 15:52.41 | lcuk2 | derf, its useless unless you are walking through your code and want to identify things you would personally expect in a register |
| 15:53.42 | lcuk2 | oh thanks for the png hint the other night :) ive got it in place now and can load proper images with alpha and have made the proper alpha channel blitting work :) |
| 15:53.55 | derf | Yer welcome? |
| 15:54.27 | derf | All I said was I was dumping PNGs... you went off and did your crazy thing all on your own. |
| 15:55.00 | lcuk2 | it wasnt crazy - i had half done the alpha stuff, but had to stop because i couldnt get an image loaded in with an alpha channel |
| 15:55.28 | lcuk2 | thanks to your tiny insignificant hint i found the flow again and continued where i left it to completion |
| 15:56.27 | derf | I also recently discovered fun things like, the PNG can have an alpha channel even if the color_mask returned by libpng does not have the PNG_COLOR_MASK_ALPHA bit set. |
| 15:57.09 | hrw | bye |
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| 15:57.51 | derf | I don't know how you're expected to decode that, unless you tell libpng to always add an alpha channel, or always strip it. |
| 15:57.54 | Khertan_n810 | what do you think of using cairo to draw a calendar ? |
| 16:01.15 | lcuk2 | derf, it depends how you are expanding other things, ive found it all a bit odd myself and have pretty much taken it to always have an alpha and just ignore sometimes |
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| 16:16.28 | pupnik | <crickets> |
| 16:16.53 | johnx_ | <cicadas> |
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| 16:20.09 | pupnik | hey johnx |
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| 16:23.27 | johnx_ | hey |
| 16:23.59 | johnx | ah, there's the trick...I thought I closed xchat but I just misplaced the window |
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| 16:24.27 | pupnik | what is going on here... ... dead pants or what |
| 16:24.49 | johnx | dead pants? |
| 16:25.00 | pupnik | toten hosen... nothing going on |
| 16:25.07 | pupnik | tote actually |
| 16:25.16 | johnx | ah, nope, nothing going on in my pants |
| 16:26.14 | johnx | people are at work in the Anericas and most of the people in Asia should be asleep |
| 16:26.27 | johnx | what time is it in EU |
| 16:26.38 | pupnik | 18:30 central european time |
| 16:26.55 | johnx | just eating dinner maybe? |
| 16:28.49 | pupnik | just fininshed |
| 16:28.59 | pupnik | gotta run ... |
| 16:29.07 | johnx | :P |
| 16:30.58 | Mikho | toten hosen? |
| 16:31.28 | Mikho | is that a phrase in german or something? |
| 16:31.40 | johnx | I would have to assume so |
| 16:31.56 | johnx | I know "hosen" is pants in German |
| 16:34.07 | Mikho | yes i'm pretty sure it means dead pants, but it's the first time I realized it might mean something |
| 16:34.14 | lbt | hold on, lets see if we can get some people back |
| 16:34.15 | lbt | ... |
| 16:34.17 | lbt | BACON |
| 16:34.21 | lbt | BACON |
| 16:34.26 | brontide | Beer? |
| 16:34.29 | lbt | that should do it |
| 16:34.35 | Mikho | wtf? |
| 16:34.39 | lbt | nah, how long have you been here? |
| 16:34.48 | lbt | Mikho: trust me |
| 16:34.53 | lbt | they'll come running. |
| 16:35.05 | Mikho | if you say bacon? |
| 16:35.09 | lbt | yep |
| 16:35.21 | lbt | try it.. |
| 16:35.21 | Mikho | why don't you say beer in the first place? |
| 16:35.25 | lbt | you have to yell |
| 16:35.28 | Mikho | or... free beer, even better |
| 16:35.32 | lbt | doesn't work |
| 16:35.40 | lbt | it's odd but this is #maemo... |
| 16:35.40 | jott | Mikho: "tote hose" [col.] means something like "nothing going on". "die toten hosen" is a german (pop-)punk band ;) |
| 16:35.42 | Mikho | oh, i'm sure it does |
| 16:36.07 | Mikho | i have plenty of friends who have "free beer" as hilight in irc |
| 16:36.20 | Mikho | jott, thanks for the explanation |
| 16:36.39 | elekt | andrewfblack: liking the mint theme a lot |
| 16:36.39 | johnx | Mikho, yeah, but things are different here |
| 16:37.21 | Mikho | I had a pretty rough day today at work, so i'm enjoying my beer to the fullest |
| 16:37.55 | jott | johnx: free sake? :) |
| 16:38.28 | johnx | jott, gak. I prefer beer or chuhai or maybe umeshu+soda |
| 16:39.54 | summatusmentis | johnx: you don't want a C3200 do you? |
| 16:40.06 | Mikho | ugh, I can't stand chuhai |
| 16:40.16 | summatusmentis | j/win 2 |
| 16:40.20 | Mikho | umeshu is ok, but in small doses only |
| 16:40.23 | summatusmentis | oops |
| 16:40.46 | johnx | summatusmentis, nah. I have a c1000 and I'm looking at google android devices and the pandora right now... |
| 16:41.09 | johnx | Mikho, yeah, it's too sweet for me, thus I mix it with soda water |
| 16:41.57 | summatusmentis | johnx: bummer... I'm trying to justify the n800 I want |
| 16:42.40 | johnx | I'd take a C3200 if it was free, but I'm pretty good for gadgets right now |
| 16:43.12 | summatusmentis | I just need better self control :) |
| 16:44.18 | johnx | also, I could just pick up a c3200 locally if I wanted: http://flickr.com/photos/johnxx/452167911/ |
| 16:45.06 | summatusmentis | Mine's better :-P |
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| 16:45.30 | Khertan_n810 | Hi again |
| 16:45.45 | johnx | hi Khertan_n810 |
| 16:45.55 | Khertan_n810 | i found that showing a windows in pygtk take some time |
| 16:46.02 | johnx | summatusmentis, well, if I change my mind, I'll think about it |
| 16:46.08 | summatusmentis | hi Khertan_n810 |
| 16:46.20 | Khertan_n810 | do you have idea to optimize that ? |
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| 16:46.54 | summatusmentis | johnx: fair enough, I may just go the ebay route... we'll see |
| 16:47.34 | elekt | who wants to joing my new church, the Church of the Lol Boson? |
| 16:47.41 | johnx | summatusmentis, what's your main use for a handheld linux device? |
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| 16:49.17 | Khertan_n810 | does it came from creating an hildon window and reparent thing in it ? |
| 16:49.47 | summatusmentis | johnx: pocket computing. Ideally everything my laptop can do. I'm using my n810 like that now. replacing my ipod with an n800, hopefully, son |
| 16:49.56 | johnx | elekt, is there free koolaid? |
| 16:50.15 | summatusmentis | soon* |
| 16:50.25 | Khertan_n810 | but can i use hildon windon in a glade file . |
| 16:50.26 | Khertan_n810 | ? |
| 16:50.38 | johnx | summatusmentis, well, the only thing I haven't gotten to behave nicely on my c1000 is web browsing |
| 16:50.54 | johnx | summatusmentis, and yes, the N800 is quite a bit faster in most ways |
| 16:51.44 | lcuk2 | lbt, what you want? |
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| 16:52.25 | summatusmentis | right... my C3200 seems really bulky, etc. and the interface is much nicer |
| 16:52.25 | lcuk2 | (i couldnt come sooner, i was driing home, but now i am back i am inexplicably drawn here by a big flashing beacon (of bacon) |
| 16:52.51 | konttori | Khertan_n810: Where has your cairo clock applet gone? |
| 16:52.57 | summatusmentis | sounds like a gross bean |
| 16:53.01 | konttori | I don't see it on your http://khertan.net/mwidgets.php |
| 16:53.05 | konttori | page. |
| 16:53.06 | summatusmentis | beacon* |
| 16:53.15 | Khertan_n810 | konttori: i have never release cairo applet clock |
| 16:53.22 | konttori | really? |
| 16:53.26 | Khertan_n810 | yep |
| 16:53.30 | Khertan_n810 | really |
| 16:53.32 | konttori | Hmm... I wonder who did it then |
| 16:53.38 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 16:53.41 | konttori | that was such a neat clock. |
| 16:53.47 | konttori | do you know who did it? |
| 16:53.52 | Khertan_n810 | nope sorry |
| 16:53.54 | johnx | summatusmentis, in terms of bulk the n800 is wider and only a little thinner...but web browsing is worlds better on it |
| 16:54.23 | konttori | Ok. I'll dig it up and release it myself if needed. (as debian).. I think I have the code for it |
| 16:54.39 | summatusmentis | johnx: the zaurujohnx: the zaurus was fat... I love my n810 |
| 16:55.08 | konttori | I just freaking don't want to push it to extras myself. Anyone else up for doing that if I make a deb out of it? |
| 16:55.12 | summatusmentis | I'm sorry, getting used to the osk |
| 16:55.17 | johnx | just remember that the n800 is bigger than the n810... |
| 16:55.36 | Khertan_n810 | konttory if you the code source i can push it |
| 16:55.50 | Khertan_n810 | send me it at khertan@khertan.net |
| 16:55.56 | konttori | I'll send you the deb. |
| 16:55.58 | summatusmentis | not buy much though? |
| 16:56.03 | konttori | thanks. I'll ping you first. |
| 16:56.11 | Khertan_n810 | konttory: i prefer the source |
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| 16:57.05 | konttori | Ok. So, the python source. And .desktop file I suppose. |
| 16:57.10 | konttori | Do you need anything else? |
| 16:57.45 | brontide | Khertan_n810: I found that most of the overhead is in the huge imports done for gtk, not in the final drawing of the window... and you can use HildonWindow in glade, you just have to edit it after glade-3 spits it out |
| 16:58.06 | Khertan_n810 | brontide: really ? |
| 16:58.11 | johnx | summatusmentis, http://www.sizeasy.com/page/size_comparison/16551-OQO-02-vs-Nokia-N800-vs-Nokia-n810-vs-Iphone-1- |
| 16:58.25 | Khertan_n810 | as reparenting things eat many time too |
| 16:58.31 | Khertan_n810 | this will help a lot |
| 16:58.35 | johnx | that should be accurate, except that the n800 has a bump on the back, so that pic is showing the fattest part |
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| 16:59.39 | summatusmentis | johnx: thanks. I'll look at that later :) |
| 16:59.42 | elekt | nice link |
| 16:59.51 | elekt | no koolaid for you |
| 17:00.04 | elekt | didn't realize the oqo was that small |
| 17:00.24 | johnx | elekt, well, if I were you I'd verify those dimensions :) |
| 17:00.37 | johnx | anyone can make a comparison up there...I just happened to find a saved one... |
| 17:00.52 | brontide | Khertan_n810: Yep, just go in and change it in the glade. You may have to import hildon first, but it works |
| 17:00.58 | konttori | Khertan_n810: I suppose you know the packaging of home screen applets, so I don't need to write any packaging info for you. |
| 17:01.07 | summatusmentis | bye for now all |
| 17:01.16 | Khertan_n810 | konttori: yep |
| 17:01.33 | brontide | I didn't try with a menu though... I don't know what complication that will lead to |
| 17:01.41 | Khertan_n810 | brontide: indeed ... HildonWindow is understand by glade |
| 17:01.47 | Khertan_n810 | libglade |
| 17:02.41 | konttori | Khertan_n810: message sent. Contains the python file for the clock and simple desktop entry |
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| 17:03.00 | konttori | Anyway, it's super cool clock. |
| 17:03.09 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 17:03.36 | johnx | bye summatusmentis |
| 17:04.22 | konttori | Anyway, I think that we need to raise a bit more awareness of the ease of developing python applets. |
| 17:04.49 | lcuk2 | i see they managed to open a portal to xen this afternoon |
| 17:05.14 | lcuk2 | this this was a triumph, im making a note here, huge success |
| 17:05.48 | konttori | Khertan_n810: I'm so happy that I was able to ask indt guys to add the bindings to extras repo for the python hildon home. |
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| 17:06.41 | Khertan_n810 | konttori it s not in extras ? |
| 17:07.09 | konttori | It is after I asked them to include it few months ago. |
| 17:07.09 | konttori | In may I think |
| 17:07.16 | konttori | Anyway, I just haven't had any time to toy with it myself |
| 17:07.36 | konttori | Ah. Just tested. Cairo clock works perfectly. |
| 17:08.04 | konttori | I was in april trying to figure out a way to use pygame to render to home screen applets, but didn't find a way. |
| 17:08.35 | brontide | Khertan_n810: did you actually see a speedup by changing the glade? |
| 17:08.35 | konttori | So, I suppose the only way is to use the cairo if any fancy stuff is needed to get done. |
| 17:09.02 | Khertan_n810 | brontide: not really ... maybe 0.5s |
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| 17:09.44 | brontide | Yeah, that was my understanding as well. The nice thing about the reparenting is the shared codebase |
| 17:10.17 | Khertan_n810 | brontide: but as mcalendar is designed for maemo |
| 17:10.28 | konttori | Khertan_n810: will you be able to package that clock today? (no pressure, just asking) |
| 17:10.44 | Khertan_n810 | konttori: today now ... but tomorrow |
| 17:10.47 | brontide | Biggest improvement I've seen with DialCentral was spinning off threads as early as possible and getting back to gtk.main loop |
| 17:10.50 | konttori | ok. cool. thanks! |
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| 17:11.16 | Khertan_n810 | s/now/no |
| 17:11.43 | Khertan_n810 | brontide: but i don t like threading gtk stuff |
| 17:11.53 | Khertan_n810 | random result |
| 17:12.05 | brontide | It's absolutly required to get good interactivity |
| 17:12.23 | brontide | esp when doing network stuff |
| 17:12.28 | Khertan_n810 | depends on what you do |
| 17:12.44 | Khertan_n810 | yep network usage need to be threaded |
| 17:12.59 | Khertan_n810 | i thread the sync in mcalendar |
| 17:13.19 | brontide | I beat my head on the table ( on and off ) for weeks before figuring out gtk threading under maemo |
| 17:13.38 | brontide | It's actually not that bad |
| 17:13.40 | Khertan_n810 | hehe :) |
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| 17:14.04 | Khertan_n810 | i ve herited my own class from python Thread |
| 17:14.10 | brontide | do you actually do gtk stuff in your threads |
| 17:14.27 | zap | Khertan_n810: is your calendar application translatable to other languages? |
| 17:14.27 | Khertan_n810 | brontide: no ! too dangerous |
| 17:14.36 | Khertan_n810 | zap: no yet |
| 17:14.41 | brontide | Workslike a charm once you know the magic incantation |
| 17:14.56 | zap | Khertan_n810: it doesn't use gettext? A guy asks me to translate it to Russian :) |
| 17:15.07 | brontide | that's what was killing me, dialog window from a thread... but I've made it work :-) |
| 17:15.09 | Khertan_n810 | i use gobject?add_idle :) |
| 17:15.35 | Khertan_n810 | zap: it use mainly a glade file |
| 17:15.39 | brontide | Khertan_n810: gobject.add_idle is not guarnteed to have the gtk lock |
| 17:15.43 | Khertan_n810 | so this could be done easily |
| 17:15.49 | zap | cool |
| 17:15.55 | Khertan_n810 | brontide: yep |
| 17:15.57 | zap | will wait for it :) |
| 17:16.20 | Khertan_n810 | but there some text at random place in the vode |
| 17:16.29 | zap | use gettext then :) |
| 17:16.39 | Khertan_n810 | jjust need to see how to do translatable string in python |
| 17:16.48 | Khertan_n810 | _("the string") |
| 17:17.01 | Khertan_n810 | is enought if i remember |
| 17:17.02 | zap | I wrote an application which uses gettext and glade files, and is translatable |
| 17:17.52 | zap | Khertan_n810: here: http://svn.berlios.de/wsvn/tinyavi/trunk/#_trunk_ |
| 17:18.00 | brontide | Khertan_n810: I've basically abandond idle_add and gone straight to threads that lock gtk only for drawing. it's much more responsive after doing that. |
| 17:18.51 | Khertan_n810 | zap: do you come at the summit ? |
| 17:19.03 | Khertan_n810 | brontide: only one thread manage ui |
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| 17:19.24 | brontide | any thread can, if you lock gtk before doing it. |
| 17:19.28 | Khertan_n810 | so i communicate only notification |
| 17:19.56 | zap | Khertan_n810: no |
| 17:20.05 | Khertan_n810 | brontide: yep but not needed on something like mcalendar :) |
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| 17:20.30 | Khertan_n810 | zap: so i ll contact you after the summit to translate it :) |
| 17:20.41 | brontide | You might be surprised where it can help. |
| 17:20.52 | zap | Khertan_n810: okay, will wait :) |
| 17:20.57 | brontide | I may have to check out source to mcalendar and see ;-) |
| 17:20.57 | Khertan_n810 | brontide: maybe ... |
| 17:21.06 | Khertan_n810 | brontide: do you have example ? |
| 17:21.27 | Khertan_n810 | is an old palmos dev ... so mono threaded app |
| 17:22.19 | brontide | install dialcentral and check out /usr/lib/dialcentral/gc_dialer.py ... Dialer class ( main UI ) half the init code runs in a thread . |
| 17:22.45 | Khertan_n810 | zap: color is horrible but ... http://khertan.net/poubelle/screenshot31.png |
| 17:23.08 | Khertan_n810 | brontide: the init code ... could be interesting |
| 17:23.30 | brontide | So I do all the basic UI setup and draw the window.. and then do all the nitty gritty init in a thread... the thread later check for a login and brings up a dialog window from the thread if necessary to login |
| 17:24.15 | brontide | I even do osso and conic stuff threaded after the main window is already shown |
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| 17:28.03 | Khertan_n810 | i ll look ... |
| 17:28.27 | Khertan_n810 | just need to download it :) |
| 17:28.33 | brontide | it's in extras |
| 17:29.06 | brontide | Oh and it's packaged with py2deb... with icon support... ( need to send you the diff ) |
| 17:29.23 | Khertan_n810 | do you have an idea on how i can render a calendar in a gpe/iphone/dates/ithing month view and week view style |
| 17:29.41 | Khertan_n810 | brontide: ;) i ven t thencourage to do it :) |
| 17:30.07 | brontide | ? do you have a picture? |
| 17:30.19 | Khertan_n810 | of ? |
| 17:30.22 | Khertan_n810 | gpe ? |
| 17:30.24 | lcuk2 | khertan, dynamically - whenever ive done month/week views for things i build them up myself |
| 17:30.26 | brontide | the view |
| 17:30.37 | Khertan_n810 | what i want ? |
| 17:30.55 | brontide | like a screenshot from google/iphone/whatever? |
| 17:31.37 | Khertan_n810 | lcuk2> yep but i m looking for the best way to do ikt |
| 17:31.48 | Khertan_n810 | brontide: i m looking for one |
| 17:32.04 | lcuk2 | yes, it has to be dynamic - a grid of 6 columns, 5 rows (weekends use half each) |
| 17:32.22 | lcuk2 | a function to render a day into a cell |
| 17:32.23 | konttori | Khertan_n810: take a look at code here: http://www.daniweb.com/code/snippet741.html |
| 17:32.39 | konttori | I think that should serve as the fuctional basis of what you want to do. |
| 17:32.44 | lcuk2 | let user scroll and render as required? |
| 17:33.35 | Khertan_n810 | http://www.geardiary.com/wp-content/photos/gpe_cal.png |
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| 17:34.55 | Khertan_n810 | kontorri: it s use a wxWidget |
| 17:35.02 | Khertan_n810 | not available for maemol |
| 17:35.05 | konttori | yeah, but the base code is still applicable |
| 17:35.17 | konttori | you can just convert the drawing to work differently |
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| 17:36.36 | Khertan_n810 | kontorri: it s use a wxWidget |
| 17:36.40 | Khertan_n810 | i mean ... should i do it with cairo ? |
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| 17:37.29 | brontide | Khertan_n810: link 404 |
| 17:37.42 | brontide | Khertan_n810: I emailed you the py2deb.py with icon support |
| 17:37.56 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 17:37.57 | Khertan_n810 | thx |
| 17:37.59 | summatusmentis | do people use their n800 for media? what's the battery life like listening to music constantly? |
| 17:38.09 | Khertan_n810 | http://images.google.fr/imgres?imgurl=http://www.geardiary.com/wp-content/photos/gpe_cal.png&imgrefurl=http://www.geardiary.com/2007/01/17/nokia-770-review/&h=240&w=400&sz=50&hl=fr&start=2&sig2=s4XuCbr2B2VRUMjhznkY-A&usg=__pyJvm_XtvZlUcBnXujFm3tS57JI=&tbnid=ub68yG0IdVgcJM:&tbnh=74&tbnw=124&ei=mQTISNvbCIT00AXYzpAp&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgpe%2Bcalendar%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Dfr |
| 17:38.10 | brontide | It's all of about 12 lines ( including comments ) |
| 17:38.28 | mgedmin | summatusmentis: about 4-5 hours, I'd guess |
| 17:38.31 | Khertan_n810 | brontide: 11 for comments ? |
| 17:38.38 | mgedmin | the device gets warm when I'm listening to music |
| 17:38.51 | mgedmin | it doesn't get warm when I'm reading ebooks, and I can read e-books for ~7 hours |
| 17:39.16 | summatusmentis | mgedmin: :( that's horrible battery life |
| 17:39.23 | summatusmentis | for a media player |
| 17:39.26 | mgedmin | right |
| 17:39.27 | Khertan_n810 | do you use ogg ? |
| 17:39.31 | lcuk2 | mgedmin, its the RIAA scanning your machine for illegal music |
| 17:39.32 | summatusmentis | no, mp3 |
| 17:39.39 | mgedmin | the weight is also quite horrible for a media player |
| 17:39.48 | johnx | it depends on the media player I would think |
| 17:39.52 | brontide | Khertan_n810: Does mcalendar have multiple calendar support yet? |
| 17:39.55 | mgedmin | so get an iPod if all you want to do is listen to music ;) |
| 17:39.59 | johnx | I thought people were doing pretty good with the nokia media player |
| 17:40.14 | mgedmin | I heard that the battery is sufficient to watch two transcoded DVDs |
| 17:40.17 | mgedmin | that would be around 4 hours |
| 17:40.17 | summatusmentis | mgedmin: I'm wanting to not have to carry three devices anymore |
| 17:40.24 | brontide | nokia media player does so much better for music than canola ( for me ) |
| 17:40.25 | Khertan_n810 | brontide: 0.4.0 no, 0.4.1 yes ... but available the 18/09 |
| 17:41.37 | Khertan_n810 | doubt : use gtk.Button or use cairo to draw a calendar |
| 17:41.46 | RST38h | what device? N800? |
| 17:42.15 | summatusmentis | mgedmin: I didn't even think about battery life... maybe I shouldn't purchase the n800 (have an 810) |
| 17:42.35 | mgedmin | if you have an 810, why do you want an 800? |
| 17:42.44 | mgedmin | in practice the battery is sufficient to last the whole day, usually |
| 17:42.48 | mgedmin | unless you keep the GPS on |
| 17:42.56 | mgedmin | in which case it dies after ~3/4 hours |
| 17:42.58 | summatusmentis | storage, there aren't high cap micro sd cards yet |
| 17:43.10 | mgedmin | I've seen 8 gig microSD cards |
| 17:43.27 | summatusmentis | like I said, looking to replace my iPod |
| 17:43.29 | mgedmin | microSD -> miniSD adapters may be somewhat rare |
| 17:43.36 | RST38h | uses 8GB card |
| 17:43.37 | summatusmentis | I've got an adaptor |
| 17:43.49 | Khertan_n810 | n810 batterry isn t better than the n800 one ? |
| 17:43.50 | RST38h | To get an adapter, buy 1GB SanDisk MicroSD |
| 17:43.51 | lcuk2 | pick one up with any random card you see with one and then use it for a larger capacity one |
| 17:43.52 | mgedmin | the nit is not a great media player |
| 17:43.55 | RST38h | comes with adapter, costs $7 |
| 17:44.01 | mgedmin | but it is a usable one |
| 17:44.34 | summatusmentis | Khertan_n810: not by enough |
| 17:44.35 | mgedmin | it boils down to carrying two devices (phone + nit) versus three (phone + nit + ipod) |
| 17:44.37 | brontide | Khertan_n810: maybe after the summit I can sit down and mock up some stuff for mcalendar |
| 17:45.07 | mgedmin | I must have music when I'm walking around town; it's too boring otherwise |
| 17:45.13 | mgedmin | that's, say, 30 minutes per day |
| 17:45.16 | mgedmin | nit is sufficient |
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| 17:45.27 | Khertan_n810 | brontide: imagine in with a lite color instead of red : http://khertan.net/poubelle/screenshot31.png |
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| 17:45.51 | lardman | hmm, just wasted £15 on satellite cable which is no better than what I have atm :( |
| 17:45.54 | Khertan_n810 | 3h30 by day while using bluetooth |
| 17:45.57 | Khertan_n810 | and coding |
| 17:46.00 | brontide | Nice... working around the horrible gtk widget set nicely |
| 17:46.24 | summatusmentis | mgedmin: that's just it, I don't wanna carry 3 devices, and I travel a lot, so I need more than 4 hours of music listening |
| 17:47.05 | Khertan_n810 | ping ? |
| 17:47.30 | lcuk2 | lardman, i dont blame it for having a bad signal - the cable must be what 30,000 miles to the satellite? |
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| 17:47.38 | brontide | pong |
| 17:48.28 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
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| 17:48.40 | Khertan_n810 | 3g isn t really stable outside city |
| 17:49.26 | Khertan_n810 | brontide: omweather see me that gtk is horrible but we can do with it |
| 17:49.27 | brontide | Khertan_n810: What about right aligning the date into the first appointment on that day... seems like a better use of space |
| 17:49.58 | Khertan_n810 | the clear green line with date ? |
| 17:50.21 | Khertan_n810 | because it s a gtk.treeview with 2columns |
| 17:50.33 | Khertan_n810 | and i haven t foun how to merge this |
| 17:50.42 | Khertan_n810 | foun/found |
| 17:51.06 | Khertan_n810 | and i don t want to expand size of the first column |
| 17:51.11 | brontide | Khertan_n810: but nothing's stopping you from including the date as pango formatting on that line right aligned, maybe a hint smaller |
| 17:51.53 | Khertan_n810 | ? |
| 17:52.22 | Khertan_n810 | ah i ve undertood left |
| 17:52.31 | Khertan_n810 | understood |
| 17:52.34 | Khertan_n810 | yep it can be done at right |
| 17:52.56 | Khertan_n810 | if i found how to do it in a gtk textrenderercell |
| 17:52.58 | brontide | I woudn't add a third column either, too much waster width that way |
| 17:53.49 | brontide | Maybe even include the Day there so on the left it's just time |
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| 17:54.25 | brontide | 18:00 [OK]Appeler Jeu 04.09.2008 |
| 17:54.38 | brontide | 21:00 [OK]... ( but no date here ) |
| 17:55.02 | brontide | Khertan_n810: So you're just looking for pango formatting docs? |
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| 17:55.48 | Khertan_n810 | i ve do it with the day at left with time |
| 17:55.54 | Khertan_n810 | but this doesn t help as it won t help to see if event is the same day or not |
| 17:56.01 | Khertan_n810 | i found this more confusing |
| 17:56.09 | Khertan_n810 | and more clear to add a row |
| 17:57.08 | Khertan_n810 | but is a point of view |
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| 17:57.35 | Khertan_n810 | adding a pref could help :) |
| 17:58.00 | andrewfblack | anyone board want install a theme for me and take a few screenshots? I'm at work and I was playing with an idea but can't see how its going to look |
| 17:58.10 | andrewfblack | bored I mean |
| 17:59.57 | Khertan_n810 | sorry can t download it now |
| 18:00.15 | lardman_ | RST38h, crashanddie: No idea where the General is, but I dug this up, some McLaren F1 stats :): http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/IMGP1000.JPG |
| 18:02.17 | Khertan_n810 | brontide: anyway you are the first that found day separator line a waste of space |
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| 18:03.07 | lardman_ | is quite startled at 150-170mph in 3.5s |
| 18:03.25 | brontide | Khertan_n810: It's not bad, just that I think it can be better... that's all |
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| 18:04.00 | Khertan_n810 | do you prefer : http://khertan.net/poubelle/screenshot28.png ? |
| 18:04.15 | Khertan_n810 | don t care of colors :) |
| 18:04.30 | Khertan_n810 | this was some tests |
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| 18:04.51 | Khertan_n810 | using google calendar color |
| 18:05.16 | Khertan_n810 | rahhh microb is again fucked |
| 18:06.44 | summatusmentis | microb eats a lot of memory |
| 18:07.45 | Khertan_n810 | and freeze many time |
| 18:07.46 | johnx | web browsers do in general... |
| 18:07.52 | Khertan_n810 | updated .... |
| 18:08.10 | Khertan_n810 | johnx: yep like other browser |
| 18:08.17 | summatusmentis | johnx: I suppose, this one just seems bad |
| 18:08.38 | johnx | summatusmentis, it's not great, but it's actually pretty good compared to others |
| 18:09.04 | brontide | Khertan_n810: I don't care for the two date format... maybe "Time" "event (duration) [optional date if it's the first even on that date]" |
| 18:09.12 | brontide | er two time format |
| 18:09.21 | summatusmentis | johnx: hmm... I guess that's fair |
| 18:09.35 | brontide | or Time ( duration ) eg 10:57 (1h) |
| 18:09.40 | summatusmentis | is debian finger usabke? |
| 18:10.06 | johnx | summatusmentis, some parts |
| 18:10.09 | Khertan_n810 | hum ... |
| 18:10.18 | johnx | hums |
| 18:10.30 | summatusmentis | johnx: what does that mean? |
| 18:10.30 | Khertan_n810 | you can remove the starttime or endtime |
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| 18:10.35 | Khertan_n810 | it s a parameter |
| 18:10.50 | Khertan_n810 | but you can t yet display duration |
| 18:11.01 | johnx | summatusmentis, it means that you get by easily in some apps, but not all |
| 18:11.09 | johnx | we're talking about a distro with 10,000 packages |
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| 18:11.40 | summatusmentis | sure... I thought maybe there were interface things that made it uniform |
| 18:11.46 | Khertan_n810 | brontide: do you know how to remove border/space between two gtk treeview columns |
| 18:11.47 | Khertan_n810 | ? |
| 18:11.58 | johnx | summatusmentis, nope. most of debian is unchanged |
| 18:12.04 | brontide | Not off the top of my head |
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| 18:12.17 | summatusmentis | johnx: oh... hmm |
| 18:12.27 | johnx | you can install a gtk theme to change it a little bit, but the whole point of debian is to have access to the same software on different systems |
| 18:12.41 | Khertan_n810 | so ... i must go on |
| 18:12.43 | Khertan_n810 | byhe |
| 18:12.45 | Khertan_n810 | bye |
| 18:12.50 | brontide | gtk stuff is stilla bit of voo-doo for me |
| 18:13.02 | Khertan_n810 | for me too :) |
| 18:13.16 | Khertan_n810 | specially with nokia mod |
| 18:13.26 | summatusmentis | johnx: that makes sense. So I suppose it's usable if I'm ok using a stylus |
| 18:13.35 | Khertan_n810 | (like not displaying alternate color in treeview) |
| 18:13.45 | Khertan_n810 | or header hidden by default |
| 18:13.50 | johnx | summatusmentis, I use it with my thumbs...but I've gotten pretty good at that sort of thing |
| 18:14.04 | Khertan_n810 | or space around the content of a hildon window |
| 18:14.40 | Khertan_n810 | or unactivated stock image on button |
| 18:14.43 | summatusmentis | my thumbs are really wide... do you grow your fingernails to a point? |
| 18:14.52 | Khertan_n810 | bye |
| 18:15.00 | johnx | hahaha...nope |
| 18:15.11 | johnx | I usually keep them pretty short |
| 18:15.34 | johnx | for the most part I click with the pad of my thumbs and scroll with the edge of my fingernail |
| 18:16.31 | summatusmentis | you click with the pad of your thumb? dang |
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| 18:17.04 | johnx | you just have to trust the touch screen to figure it out |
| 18:17.22 | summatusmentis | yeah... :) |
| 18:17.39 | summatusmentis | might play with that at some point |
| 18:17.50 | elekt | is GPE Calendar the best organizer? |
| 18:17.52 | johnx | btw, using debian with my thumbs right now :) |
| 18:18.14 | andrewfblack | Hey someone want to be nice and install this theme http://andrewblck.com/Stuff/Minimal.deb then email me a screeenshot or two? I want to see if I want to keep working on this but cna't install it right now |
| 18:18.25 | lcuk2 | elekt, employ a nubile PA, you wont regret it, GPE pails in comparison |
| 18:18.27 | johnx | has no stylus for his n800 anyways... |
| 18:18.37 | summatusmentis | look, at me, I'm johnx, I have ridiculously small thumbs :) |
| 18:18.45 | elekt | ^ haha |
| 18:18.54 | lcuk2 | summatusmentis, he is simply used to where the contact point is |
| 18:19.12 | johnx | summatusmentis, ahahaha...totally not. :P I'm like 190cm tall and have stubby fingers :P |
| 18:19.15 | andrewfblack | about the only think I can't click with my thumbs are small links |
| 18:19.24 | elekt | nubile PA? |
| 18:19.26 | lcuk2 | its not that difficult to use touchscreen reasonably precisely with pads - see iphone for example |
| 18:19.47 | johnx | andrewfblack, those are a pain. that's why I increase font size in the browser |
| 18:19.57 | summatusmentis | I suppose so... I need the big scroll bafs and usercontent.css to use the browser with my thumbs |
| 18:20.02 | summatusmentis | bars* |
| 18:20.24 | lcuk2 | elekt personal assistant :) |
| 18:20.32 | elekt | andrewfblack: the mint theme is great, needs minor tweaks - the text on the menus is not visible unless selected, nice job tho |
| 18:20.36 | elekt | ah, i thought so |
| 18:22.01 | andrewfblack | elekt thanks I'm releasing an update this weekend to all my themes, I noticed the menu thing if you see anymore problems can you post a bug or in the forums on my project? |
| 18:22.11 | elekt | will do |
| 18:22.37 | elekt | it's hard to say what qualifies as bug though |
| 18:22.40 | elekt | but i'll try |
| 18:22.44 | andrewfblack | I'm playing with the idea of a real minimal theme with almost no UI |
| 18:23.02 | elekt | i'm using mint right now |
| 18:23.07 | andrewfblack | well in a theme anything that doesn't look right you can even post things you think should be added or changed |
| 18:23.20 | summatusmentis | I wish maemo were more directly compatible with debiam's feeds |
| 18:23.32 | andrewfblack | I released the wrong background in the linux mint deb also got to change that |
| 18:23.50 | lardman | summatusmentis: that would slow development though |
| 18:24.06 | lardman | summatusmentis: or rather slow adoption |
| 18:24.13 | johnx | lardman, hmm? |
| 18:24.34 | summatusmentis | lardman: perhaps, but then we wouldn't have to wait forever for hildonized office |
| 18:24.45 | lardman | debian was always rather conservative in pushing new package versions I thought |
| 18:24.54 | summatusmentis | s/office/office software/ |
| 18:25.05 | lardman | summatusmentis: well you can run it without Hildonisation of course |
| 18:25.20 | johnx | lardman, heh...os2008 is way behind debian's versions |
| 18:25.25 | summatusmentis | sure bu then it's not pretty :) |
| 18:25.36 | lardman | johnx: things have probably changed, so just ignore me :) |
| 18:25.43 | johnx | well, *all* of debian isn't pretty |
| 18:26.11 | Stskeeps | someone ought to clone maemo with current debian ;> |
| 18:26.12 | johnx | lardman, it's true compared to other distros...but maemo out-debians debian in terms of old package versions |
| 18:26.21 | lardman | :) |
| 18:26.32 | johnx | Stskeeps, well that was my original goal |
| 18:26.33 | lardman | we talking about stable here though? |
| 18:26.46 | johnx | lardman, not necessarily |
| 18:26.59 | Stskeeps | johnx: the main problem is the bloody maemo gtk extensions |
| 18:27.17 | johnx | Stskeeps, hildon? |
| 18:27.18 | Stskeeps | they should be shot for including them straight in the gtk library instead of in a seperate one |
| 18:27.22 | lardman | johnx: it would be nice to be in the situation where developers could have an unstable repo to pull and test from |
| 18:27.32 | lardman | johnx: something for the council, etc. |
| 18:27.37 | johnx | Stskeeps, they're in debian now in a fairly sane way |
| 18:27.41 | lcuk2 | i have a feeling nokia dont care about gtk any more |
| 18:27.46 | lcuk2 | they have a new girlfriend |
| 18:27.57 | Stskeeps | johnx: yeah, except hildon_gtk_im_hide and stuff isnt in the libs, prolly renamed |
| 18:27.58 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:28.05 | Stskeeps | so it's not ABI compatible |
| 18:28.07 | lardman | lcuk2: but what about Symbian? |
| 18:28.31 | lardman | I hope someone takes notes on osim |
| 18:28.33 | johnx | Stskeeps, meh...ABI compatible is overrated |
| 18:28.34 | johnx | lcuk2, they would be crazy to drop it cold |
| 18:28.45 | Stskeeps | johnx: abi compatible would make drag-and-drop copying easier ;) |
| 18:28.51 | lcuk2 | they have to bring symbian along - its like camilla |
| 18:28.58 | lcuk2 | she brings the money |
| 18:29.15 | lardman | Symbian was always rather impressive in terms of power/processor efficiency |
| 18:29.32 | andrewfblack | elekt do you like the top bar going all the way across on Linux Mint theme or should it stop before Icons I can't decided which way I like it |
| 18:29.39 | lardman | It's actually designed for battery powered devices |
| 18:30.19 | johnx | Stskeeps, but the distributions have different fs layouts so you'd have to repackage anyways |
| 18:30.21 | johnx | might as well rebuild from source |
| 18:30.47 | johnx | also, for other ARM systems it's not really a huge win at all...and I have an interest in things besides the n8x0, you know? |
| 18:31.05 | elekt | andrewfblack i think it coul stop before the icons, but it doesn't bother me - also the bar itself could be a little darker for increased contrast on low light settings |
| 18:31.56 | liri | is it possible to customize the messaging sounds of telepathy? |
| 18:32.07 | lcuk2 | is confused by the confused thread in ML about what community means |
| 18:32.20 | Stskeeps | johnx: it was fun to see GeneralAntilles booting Deblet on a beagle board.. and that it worked, heh |
| 18:32.28 | andrewfblack | elekt I was thinking of darkening the bar, the only reason I ran it the full way was I saw it on the old OSX theme for the 770s on my Windows theme I stop before I cons |
| 18:32.31 | liri | the incoming message for gtalk is almost un-noticable |
| 18:33.05 | lcuk2 | liri - if thers no real customisation you could just replace the mp3s - i wouldnt expect them to be embedded |
| 18:34.11 | elekt | andrewfblack, it took a second to get used to it, but i can't decide whether i'd like it better cut off or not - it kinda gives more continuity to the open app this way i think |
| 18:34.34 | elekt | maybe add a shadow under the top icon if possible? |
| 18:35.04 | elekt | i don't know if that's possible, but then that would look like the bar is behind the icon, and more part of the current open app |
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| 18:37.06 | liri | lcuk2: hmm ok |
| 18:37.15 | liri | lcuk2: that's good enough I guess |
| 18:37.20 | lcuk2 | but look for customisation first |
| 18:37.29 | liri | lcuk2: I did but couldn't find anything |
| 18:38.06 | andrewfblack | elekt yeah I can do that |
| 18:38.25 | elekt | awesome |
| 18:38.39 | elekt | really liking it, it's fairly minimalist |
| 18:38.42 | elekt | and i love the font size |
| 18:39.04 | andrewfblack | elekt still trying to decided what to do for the menu arrows and + - can't find anything that really fits |
| 18:39.15 | andrewfblack | thanks |
| 18:39.58 | andrewfblack | don't try and use Media Player with it I forgot to include the buttoms for it lo |
| 18:40.28 | elekt | hehe |
| 18:41.12 | andrewfblack | I'm going to start releasing a Canola Theme for each of my themes also not going to get real fancy with the icons I don't think more like some kinda of a color variation to match |
| 18:43.17 | elekt | do you have access to the volume/brightness sliders? |
| 18:44.51 | andrewfblack | yeah |
| 18:45.47 | elekt | cool, those are the default look right now |
| 18:46.00 | elekt | let me log in and i'll post this stuff |
| 18:46.03 | andrewfblack | Volume/Brightness Sliders and the + - icons that go with them are my next change I'm looking through some Linux mint SS trying to find something good |
| 18:48.02 | Stskeeps | oh that's fancy, ITT actually allows you to backup your PMs |
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| 19:01.17 | elekt | andrewfblack: can the icons be changed? just asking cause i was looking at the plankton theme template out of curiosity and i see a icon-template.png |
| 19:02.15 | andrewfblack | yeah the icons are changed in the Linux Mint Theme you just need to reboot system to see them |
| 19:02.27 | elekt | ah, doing it now |
| 19:02.44 | andrewfblack | Should have Firefox Internet Icon, Thunderbird Contacts, and a Computer Icon from Menu |
| 19:03.08 | moontiger | is this a theme for the tablet? |
| 19:03.18 | andrewfblack | yeah |
| 19:03.27 | moontiger | schweet ... wheres it at? |
| 19:04.12 | andrewfblack | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/themehackers/ for downloads and http://themehackers.maemobox.org for news and screenshots |
| 19:05.04 | andrewfblack | can't find a image of a Linux Mint Slider anywere |
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| 19:07.08 | elekt | the icons are nic, i do feel a little guilty about the firefox icon though |
| 19:07.16 | elekt | better then IE i guess |
| 19:07.24 | elekt | nice = nice |
| 19:07.28 | elekt | nic=nice |
| 19:09.15 | elekt | the top bar now is doing the same thing to the statusbar icons as it does to unselected menu text |
| 19:09.22 | elekt | only after reboot |
| 19:09.46 | elekt | i hope an update is coming soon :D |
| 19:10.01 | andrewfblack | I should have it done tomorrow or friday |
| 19:10.09 | elekt | cool |
| 19:10.20 | andrewfblack | I had a few colors set wrong |
| 19:10.34 | andrewfblack | I can always go with Opera icons |
| 19:10.45 | andrewfblack | or Chrome lol |
| 19:11.21 | elekt | hehe no that's cool, an icon is supposed to be iconic, ffx = internets for me |
| 19:11.48 | Stskeeps | hm. did anyone ever reverse engineer fb-chaimage? |
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| 19:26.21 | Mek | http://kde.garage.maemo.org/ <-- lots of screenshots :) |
| 19:28.05 | lcuk2 | Stskeeps, is that the main loading progress thingy? |
| 19:28.09 | lcuk2 | for normal booting |
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| 19:30.23 | florian | re |
| 19:31.59 | andrewfblack | elekt I think its pertty much done now just got to test it tonight I might have 0.2 out tomorrow |
| 19:32.17 | elekt | good news :) |
| 19:33.18 | Stskeeps | lcuk2: yeah, or just general image loading for the fb |
| 19:33.34 | lcuk2 | try this: https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/osso-af-utils/src/fb-progress.c |
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| 19:35.57 | Stskeeps | ta! |
| 19:36.05 | andrewfblack | hey you guys seen those incar Internet systems befre? |
| 19:36.46 | andrewfblack | My wife is getting me on next month http://www.autonetmobile.com/ |
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| 19:38.09 | brontide | is running python on over 600 CPU's at once |
| 19:38.22 | lcuk2 | thats one big ass snake |
| 19:38.40 | brontide | Oops 800+ |
| 19:38.45 | brontide | :-) |
| 19:38.59 | brontide | doing a little benchmarking |
| 19:39.12 | lcuk2 | a snake that big can do whatever it wants |
| 19:39.38 | lcuk2 | but i cant shake the feeling that you could get the same performance with well coded c on a lot less machines ;) |
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| 19:39.49 | brontide | wonders if the user room people have noticed the fans at this point |
| 19:39.59 | moontiger | lcuk2: like 1 :) |
| 19:40.22 | lcuk2 | lol moontiger, i wasnt gonna be so cruel, but yer - and its an omap and its in powersave mode ;) |
| 19:40.26 | brontide | most of the script is numpy ( large, complicated c calls ) |
| 19:40.40 | moontiger | hehe then my fone could prolly do better ;) |
| 19:40.49 | lcuk2 | with a flat battery |
| 19:41.01 | moontiger | in power saver mode |
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| 19:42.38 | brontide | with over 1600 CPU slots availible I need to throw something in the queue every once and a while to make sure everything is working |
| 19:43.21 | lcuk2 | as much as i like to rip the piss, im really impressed by python and the amount of libraries available - it is the vbscript or arexx glue on this machine and it deserves praise |
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| 19:44.05 | brontide | it sucks as a language compared to ruby, but the libraries make the platform |
| 19:44.25 | lcuk2 | is tempted to offer a small libase interface for it :) |
| 19:46.10 | mikem23 | rather likes python |
| 19:47.23 | brontide | It grow on you over time... like a fungus. |
| 19:50.59 | moontiger | i used it to write mgcal so i love it ... just not for performance stuff :) |
| 19:51.01 | konttori | Mek: what is the performance of plasma home screen? |
| 19:51.27 | Mek | konttori: a bit slow, but not unusable slow |
| 19:51.47 | konttori | Mek: is that 4.1? |
| 19:52.07 | Mek | konttori: no, it is kde trunk (so what will become 4.2) |
| 19:52.34 | konttori | is there an installation setup available for that version for maemo? |
| 19:53.02 | konttori | As I must admit that I'm totally sold by what I'm seeing! |
| 19:53.33 | Mek | konttori: see http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3624 (although I think at least the kdebase-workspace packages are currently in a non-installable state) |
| 19:54.02 | konttori | Oh, that has the kdebase as well. Cool. |
| 19:54.44 | timelyx | do i still have time to vote? :) |
| 19:55.16 | dystopia | can i conclude from here, koffice is being ported to maemo? http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3672 |
| 19:56.02 | Mek | dystopia: 'being ported' is perhaps a bit strong expression; first we want to get 2.0 for 'normal' pcs released... |
| 19:56.13 | Mek | dystopia: but maemo is certainly an interesting target :) |
| 19:57.57 | Stskeeps | wonders if there's a way to check if charging stopped without hald-addon-bme |
| 19:58.26 | dystopia | =] a'ight makes sense! |
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| 20:00.44 | lardman | night all |
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| 20:08.29 | konttori | Mek: out of curiosity, have you been able to install kde on the default memory, or do you have sd install? |
| 20:09.11 | Mek | konttori: I have an sd install right now, although just plasma+dependencies fitted on the default memory as well |
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| 20:09.40 | konttori | so, what do I need to install for plasma (as in, what's the package name) |
| 20:09.49 | konttori | kdelibs is 101 megs. sounds a bit too much |
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| 20:10.44 | Mek | hmm? nah kdelibs isn't that big I think; although it did look like it wasn't going to fit, but the jffs2 compression helped there. |
| 20:10.49 | Mek | but plasma is in kdebase-workspace I think |
| 20:10.52 | konttori | there it goes... let's see if I have enough space. |
| 20:11.45 | Mek | I haven't really tried yet to make stuff smaller (except getting rid of 40MB of svg icons and 40MB of huge wallpapers :) ) |
| 20:12.28 | konttori | :) sweet. Anyway, if that current set fits to mem, that's more than good for now. |
| 20:12.47 | konttori | I'm actually eagerly waiting to see how the plasma stuff runs. |
| 20:14.16 | Mek | if you'll be at the summit, you can see there how well plasma runs as well :) |
| 20:14.45 | konttori | Yeah, I'll definitely be there. |
| 20:15.33 | konttori | so, is kdebase-workspace big? |
| 20:15.42 | konttori | (along with its dependencies) |
| 20:16.46 | konttori | Mek: Any chance you could make you repo compatible with application manager? |
| 20:16.51 | Mek | larger than I'd like it to be... (and there is some stuff in there you don't even need like kwin) |
| 20:17.04 | konttori | And provide a .install file for it? |
| 20:17.39 | Mek | it is certainly possible I guess, although it would probably first require splitting up the packages a bit further into one application-per-package |
| 20:17.57 | Mek | right now they are quite similar to the normal debian packages |
| 20:18.40 | Mek | it is definetly something I want to do before kde4.2 is released (but for that I still have quite some months :) ) |
| 20:18.42 | konttori | Well, is there a need for that? |
| 20:18.55 | konttori | You could just provide a few most basic packages with .install. |
| 20:19.09 | Mek | yeah, that could work too... |
| 20:19.26 | Mek | but I don't want to make it too easy for someone to try this :P |
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| 20:20.28 | Mek | I don't want to make it seem like this stuff is actually usable... |
| 20:20.35 | Mek | (although most of the games are quite usable) |
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| 20:23.24 | konttori | sounds very good indeed |
| 20:26.16 | konttori | I'm installing workspace. |
| 20:26.29 | konttori | what do I need to do to start home screen? |
| 20:26.55 | Mek | just run plasma |
| 20:27.12 | konttori | ok. thanks. |
| 20:27.28 | konttori | I have to go to sleep now. See you later. and kudos for great work! |
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| 20:37.26 | zap | Hey, anybody knows of any useful kernel patch, except for screen rotation and fast SD operations? |
| 20:40.29 | jott | Mek: have you checked the memory consumption, while running kontact for example? |
| 20:41.37 | moontiger | where can i get the screen rotation from? |
| 20:43.56 | jott | moontiger: sse2.net/rotate contains some instructions. you'll find a diablo kernel here: http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/Rotate.zip |
| 20:44.41 | jott | should put a diablo kernel on his site too |
| 20:48.23 | Mek | jott: according to loadapplet for example akregator is using 21MB, kded4 4MB, kwalletd 4MB, knotify4 4MB, klauncher 2MB |
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| 20:49.49 | jott | Mek: ah ok. sounds bearable. |
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| 20:54.09 | Mek | (oh, and each of for example the kio_http slaves also uses 10MB of memory... wich kind of sucks when there are several of them running) |
| 20:54.40 | jott | ugh |
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| 21:03.29 | Jaffa | re |
| 21:04.20 | lcuk | spawn |
| 21:05.22 | eichi | http://video.golem.de/handy/1618/swype-video.html |
| 21:06.29 | Stskeeps | okay, either i'm going insane, or splash screens help deblet bootup times.. |
| 21:06.32 | lcuk | eichi, saw it last night and have tools pre-prepared which could be put to similar purpose |
| 21:06.41 | Stskeeps | (compared to fb console boots) |
| 21:07.15 | lcuk | maybe its the method the console data is sent |
| 21:07.33 | Stskeeps | i should sack bootlogd on it and see if there's an actual improvement |
| 21:08.03 | lcuk | quantitatively please, we know you are insane already |
| 21:08.44 | Stskeeps | indeed |
| 21:10.15 | jott | hits lcuk with a big software patent bat. |
| 21:10.52 | jott | yeehaa! |
| 21:11.37 | lcuk | software patent? whatever happened to replicating something cool? as long as i dont have their source i can wave my stylus around and interpret it as i like |
| 21:11.38 | jott | but yeah this swype should be fairly simple to implement. |
| 21:12.18 | Stskeeps | lcuk: i'll give you pizza if you implement that as a h-i-m or the likes |
| 21:12.19 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:12.30 | lcuk | bacon pizza? |
| 21:12.50 | Stskeeps | bacon is a necessity on pizzas |
| 21:12.51 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:13.13 | lcuk | no, if i wasnt so fatigued i might but right now i need to build other stuff |
| 21:14.04 | lcuk | tho i do have the keyboard tileset lying around |
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| 21:14.26 | lcuk | and i could store away which tiles i hover over |
| 21:14.37 | jott | lcuk: and no you can't, ask the eu ministry of agriculture and fisheries :D |
| 21:14.43 | lcuk | and i could filter out those not in a dictionary but since its a sequence the logic isnt so hard |
| 21:15.00 | jott | (re swpat) |
| 21:16.17 | lcuk | http://www.theonion.com/content/radio_news/earth_explodes |
| 21:16.19 | jott | lcuk: levenstein will wipe your shiny little metal ass :) |
| 21:16.39 | lcuk | he would, but it would gain publicity :) |
| 21:17.06 | jott | maybe he likes it this way? :) |
| 21:17.07 | lcuk | and it might help get it legitimately onto our devices |
| 21:17.14 | Stskeeps | okay, the effect is not only in my head: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/bootchart.nobootlogd.png vs http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/bootchart.splash.png |
| 21:17.32 | Stskeeps | it's actually a massive improvement |
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| 21:18.26 | lcuk | so that code i passed over does the business then? |
| 21:18.31 | Stskeeps | yes |
| 21:18.34 | lcuk | thanks nokia for something if so |
| 21:18.35 | Stskeeps | with some minor hacks |
| 21:18.40 | Stskeeps | (maemo is around ~45 secs bootup) |
| 21:18.46 | lcuk | yer, but it did what it said on the tin |
| 21:19.15 | lcuk | now, how do you get bootup down to <5sec |
| 21:19.29 | Stskeeps | suspend to SD, maybe.. i dunno |
| 21:19.48 | lcuk | its always confused me about how long all boot processes take |
| 21:19.55 | lcuk | im sure most things dont need to run right away |
| 21:20.12 | Stskeeps | well linux is stuck in sysvinit world without dependancy info |
| 21:20.36 | lcuk | like keyboard drivers? usb thingies and those damned framebuffers |
| 21:20.44 | lcuk | without all them we would boot much quicker |
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| 21:22.14 | jott | Stskeeps: hum you just added the fb-progress thing and it got 20s faster?! |
| 21:22.30 | Stskeeps | jott: and disabled console-fb |
| 21:22.34 | jott | aah. |
| 21:22.34 | jott | ok |
| 21:22.37 | Stskeeps | i was astonished too |
| 21:22.49 | jott | console-fb does clearly block :) |
| 21:22.58 | Stskeeps | that explains maemo bootup times a little better |
| 21:23.37 | jott | have you an diablo chart to compare to? |
| 21:23.51 | crashanddie | lmao http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1033016557&posted=1#post1033016557 |
| 21:24.10 | Stskeeps | jott: not handy, just a chinook once that's 45 sec |
| 21:24.30 | jott | Stskeeps: url? |
| 21:24.52 | Stskeeps | http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/jvtmuukk/chinook/bootchart/bootchart-n800-os2008-008_bclng_50ms.png |
| 21:26.49 | jott | Stskeeps: hald and portmap seem to take quite long |
| 21:27.50 | jott | is portmap needed anyway? |
| 21:28.02 | Stskeeps | nah, except for NFS |
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| 21:28.37 | jott | does it really block for 4s?! |
| 21:29.29 | jott | and i guess hald could be a bit stripped down. :) |
| 21:30.37 | Jaffa | Hmm. Stay up for another 2.5 hours and see the election results... or, go to sleep. |
| 21:30.58 | crashanddie | why 2.5? |
| 21:30.59 | jott | prepare you speech we want live coverage :) |
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| 21:31.13 | crashanddie | are the results up at 1 GMT? |
| 21:31.21 | crashanddie | err |
| 21:31.27 | crashanddie | 1BST? |
| 21:31.43 | jott | 00:00 GMT |
| 21:31.54 | crashanddie | fail |
| 21:31.56 | jott | at least polls close .. |
| 21:32.13 | elekt | hah |
| 21:32.14 | Jaffa | mikem23:59 UTC the polls close; given it's software based I wouldn't expect much manual counting to be necessary |
| 21:32.14 | jott | not sure about the results.. |
| 21:32.28 | elekt | i demand a recount |
| 21:32.53 | Jaffa | jott: what, my concession speech? |
| 21:33.20 | crashanddie | Jaffa, now now, watch out what you're saying... This is the maemo server we're talking about... It could take hours for the results to be ready |
| 21:33.21 | jott | Jaffa: or your rejection speech. just be prepared :) |
| 21:33.44 | jott | "thank you for all your support!" *wave* *wave* |
| 21:33.55 | Jaffa | crashanddie: heh - sending out a wiki link and checking it was the right one took a long time |
| 21:34.23 | Jaffa | jott: that's "concession" - I know cos it took me *far* too long to think of the word. I think that means I need to sleep. Especially since Mrs. Jaffa came up with it before I did. |
| 21:34.28 | jott | ah |
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| 21:34.53 | Jaffa | "Concession" and "victory" |
| 21:34.59 | jott | notes |
| 21:35.32 | lbt | do we get to see how many votes each candidate got? |
| 21:35.42 | lbt | or is it 'in/out' |
| 21:35.43 | Jaffa | Would hope so |
| 21:35.53 | lbt | really? |
| 21:36.11 | lbt | Council of equals... |
| 21:36.35 | lbt | just musing... |
| 21:36.37 | Stskeeps | okay, may have to retract my statement on consolefb vs splash - did a retest with the current image and they're about the same |
| 21:36.38 | Jaffa | 'spose. But if you lost by hundreds of votes that could persuade you to not try next time. |
| 21:36.45 | jott | yeah well would be concerning if one person got 99.9% of the votes and 0.1% is distributed among the others :) |
| 21:36.50 | Mek | hmm.. would http://93.157.1.37/~marijn/konqi-maemo.png make a nice t-shirt? :) |
| 21:36.52 | Stskeeps | but then again, i cannot explain why it boots 20 sec quicker suddenly |
| 21:36.52 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:36.59 | Stskeeps | other than i don't have it on charger |
| 21:37.17 | jott | Mek: no winner logo has to be used :D |
| 21:37.32 | lbt | Mek - go for the plain black T-shirt : Turned off |
| 21:37.40 | crashanddie | jott, why not? |
| 21:37.44 | Mek | jott: yeah... I know... |
| 21:37.53 | jott | crashanddie: that's the rules... :) |
| 21:38.06 | jott | crashanddie: well i guess we all get an official t-shirt anyway... |
| 21:38.07 | crashanddie | yeah, but what's the reason behind the rule? |
| 21:38.25 | crashanddie | jott, not all, only those that are going :( |
| 21:38.55 | jott | crashanddie: that are all! :P |
| 21:38.59 | elekt | when do we find out? |
| 21:39.08 | elekt | and where |
| 21:39.08 | jott | pours salt in crashanddies wounds |
| 21:39.40 | crashanddie | jott, you have no idea how cruel I can be |
| 21:39.40 | jott | crashanddie: just sell some hardware you got and come over ;) |
| 21:39.43 | crashanddie | jott, you better watch out |
| 21:40.02 | crashanddie | jott, I already sold my drumkit, to keep living |
| 21:41.08 | Jaffa | sleeps. |
| 21:41.12 | Jaffa | G'night |
| 21:41.14 | jott | night. |
| 21:41.23 | elekt | when do we find out? |
| 21:41.28 | elekt | and where? |
| 21:43.00 | jott | elekt: never. it was all just a big social experiment. |
| 21:43.16 | elekt | you lie |
| 21:43.21 | jott | who knows :) |
| 21:43.32 | elekt | but i'd be good with that honestly |
| 21:44.26 | elekt | who knows, open DSP drivers today, brain implant tomorrow |
| 21:44.35 | elekt | they all become tyrants in the end |
| 21:45.43 | Mek | http://93.157.1.37/~marijn/konqi-maemo2.png <-- okay, no more official logo :) but I suck at doing graphics :P |
| 21:46.23 | jott | Mek: you can also pick a logo from http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_logo_contest_submissions |
| 21:47.23 | pusling | Mek: your logo skills seems better than mine ;) ( http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/ ) |
| 21:47.44 | Mek | :) |
| 21:49.16 | jott | konqi will eat us all! |
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| 21:58.23 | Mek | I guess I could also go with a simple http://93.157.1.37/~marijn/maemo-oxygen.png :) |
| 22:00.43 | jott | Mek: hah that's nice |
| 22:01.02 | jott | i would definitely use this :) |
| 22:01.22 | sp3000 | hmm, odd |
| 22:01.41 | sp3000 | if modest's set to check mail hourly, it seems to do it exactly on the hour? |
| 22:01.51 | sp3000 | notes that probably wouldn't scale well |
| 22:03.08 | jott | Mek: maybe a little more tweaking but otherwise a nice idea (derived from pusling i guess :> |
| 22:03.44 | Mek | yeah... based on the official kde oxygen logo... |
| 22:03.49 | jott | sure |
| 22:04.17 | jott | svg makes it so easy ;) |
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| 22:12.46 | Mek | and konqi with it (okay, I should have removed some of the shadow behind the M emblem): http://93.157.1.37/~marijn/konqi-maemo-oxygen.png |
| 22:14.51 | jott | Mek: also nice but i like the simple one better :) |
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| 22:15.04 | Mek | yeah, I guess I'll go for the simple one |
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| 22:51.13 | sp3000 | why am I tempted to go through each of mark's msgs and seeing if I can pick a statement that is trivially wrong in each, and making a compilation |
| 22:51.22 | sp3000 | but that would be very wrong |
| 22:51.39 | GeneralAntilles | I'll give you a dollar |
| 22:52.09 | sp3000 | I think the success rate would be only 50% or maybe even as low as a third |
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| 23:00.03 | crashanddie | http://slexy.org/view/s2KzrpX0W6 |
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| 23:18.15 | GeneralAntilles | 41 minutes to vote. |
| 23:22.01 | jott | pumps adrenaline in the canditates. |
| 23:22.20 | Raytray | candidates for what? |
| 23:23.31 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.37 | GeneralAntilles | The community council elects. |
| 23:23.40 | GeneralAntilles | Vote for me! :P |
| 23:24.32 | GeneralAntilles | s/elects/elections/ |
| 23:24.52 | briand | No match. |
| 23:24.53 | Proteous | PPfffff |
| 23:25.02 | mgedmin_ | oh, cool, look at the topic |
| 23:25.12 | Proteous | no one wasn'ts a crazy overload |
| 23:25.13 | briand | (should have used "/g" for global. that would've affected all the text, not just the current line. :P~ |
| 23:25.20 | jott | topic? since when does #maemo has a real topic? :P |
| 23:25.27 | GeneralAntilles | briand, doesn't work like that with infobot. |
| 23:25.38 | jott | goes off topic again |
| 23:25.42 | briand | :nod: I know. just being pendantic |
| 23:25.50 | briand | er, pedantic |
| 23:25.58 | briand | i mean: s/pend/pen/g |
| 23:26.00 | briand | ;) |
| 23:26.16 | briand | rather, s/pend/ped/g |
| 23:26.25 | briand | whatever. :) too late in the day to do any thinkin' |
| 23:27.36 | Proteous | IT'S NEVER TOO LATE FOR BRAINAGE |
| 23:28.23 | mgedmin_ | who designed the voting page? |
| 23:28.30 | mgedmin_ | I want to tell them all about <label for="..."> |
| 23:29.44 | GeneralAntilles | mgedmin_, feel free to pummel dneary about the head and shoulders. ;) |
| 23:30.01 | jott | a bit late :) |
| 23:30.21 | GeneralAntilles | For next time |
| 23:31.44 | jott | will there be a next time? i thought the council just restricts the next elections to 2000 karma for voting and changes karma so that only the council members can get that much karma :D |
| 23:32.02 | Raytray | What does this council do? |
| 23:32.22 | jott | start a reign of blood and terror! |
| 23:32.41 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 23:32.48 | GeneralAntilles | Impose its will on Raytray. |
| 23:32.51 | jott | on a more serious note - represent the maemo community and interacts with nokia for that matter :) |
| 23:33.53 | GeneralAntilles | Tablet advocacy to users and community advocacy to Nokia. |
| 23:34.32 | Raytray | Ah I see. |
| 23:35.05 | jott | and getting shiny vip passes and fancy entries in CVs :D |
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| 23:53.08 | Proteous | first rule change will be to make elections in the future illegal |
| 23:53.31 | GeneralAntilles | Pfft |
| 23:53.32 | GeneralAntilles | Lame |
| 23:53.54 | GeneralAntilles | Run the elections, but only let people vote for the current council members. :P |
| 23:53.59 | Proteous | heh |
| 23:54.26 | Proteous | okay, first rule change will be to only let council members code and verify the voting software |
| 23:56.14 | GeneralAntilles | Welcome to Diebold |
