| 00:00.13 | GeneralAntilles | has a 5-blade razor. :P |
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| 00:00.32 | crashanddie | Double edge security razor = win |
| 00:01.01 | GeneralAntilles | I've tried every number of blades |
| 00:01.16 | GeneralAntilles | The 5-blade is the only one that doesn't chew me up. |
| 00:01.30 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, you just don't have proper technique |
| 00:01.36 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, yeah. |
| 00:02.10 | sp3000 | instead of paying any attention to the personal part, he goes off on a rant on the case in point item I included just in case it was needed |
| 00:02.28 | GeneralAntilles | I like the thread where he blew up in Igor's face. |
| 00:03.06 | sp3000 | what, do I need a HELLO I'M TRYING TO SAY SOMETHING POTENTIALLY PERSONALLY OFFENSIVE intro to make that register? |
| 00:03.47 | crashanddie | most important part, pre-shave. Take a shower before shaving, massage the skin lightly with very hot water, rinse your face with hot water and keep it very wet, lather up, don't use pressurised foam, that's just bullshit, use a regular shaving cream/gel, keep your blade hot and very wet, and only one pass, even if you missed a bit, never pass on your skin a second time when there's no lather |
| 00:03.55 | GeneralAntilles | <thisisthepartyouwanttogetworkedupover></thisisthepartyouwanttogetworkedupover> |
| 00:04.11 | crashanddie | <flame></flame> |
| 00:04.19 | sp3000 | crashanddie: I lost you at hot and very wet |
| 00:04.25 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 00:04.30 | crashanddie | sp3000, I'm right there |
| 00:04.36 | crashanddie | well, not atm |
| 00:04.48 | crashanddie | ok, that came out wrong |
| 00:06.05 | crashanddie | also, do multiple passes, and shave in the same direction as the hair growth, *NEVER* against it |
| 00:06.44 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, yes, I know. ;P |
| 00:08.14 | crashanddie | I enjoy shaving, I have different kind of blades to go with my mood, from ninja sharp blades for when I have death wishes to blades that are very forgiving, in case I'm in a rush, I have different kinds of lather, soap, cream, you name it, and yes, I use a brush :) |
| 00:08.45 | GeneralAntilles | Fetishist, eh? |
| 00:08.51 | GeneralAntilles | hot and wet |
| 00:08.56 | GeneralAntilles | it all makes sense now |
| 00:09.14 | crashanddie | I just like to be reminded of my night when I wake up ;) |
| 00:09.39 | crashanddie | ok I admit, that was just the inner geek wishful thinking right there |
| 00:09.41 | GeneralAntilles | Ehehe |
| 00:15.20 | GeneralAntilles | Fried chicken and rice |
| 00:16.16 | crashanddie | sadly, this is a very good example of very poor quoting: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-users/2008-September/022430.html |
| 00:16.54 | GeneralAntilles | I think qgil takes the cake for poor quoting practices by your metrics. |
| 00:17.22 | crashanddie | really? |
| 00:18.05 | jott | there is always http://learn.to/quote :) |
| 00:18.26 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, actually no |
| 00:19.20 | crashanddie | He also renames topics on the fly, which isn't bad practice |
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| 00:58.39 | sp3000 | sighs |
| 00:58.40 | sp3000 | SOMEONE IS WRONG ON THE INTERNET |
| 00:58.49 | sp3000 | gives it a day |
| 01:00.08 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
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| 01:01.23 | ccooke | wonders if the SOMEONE being WRONG on the INTERNET was wrong in a way he hasn't encountered yet. |
| 01:01.38 | ccooke | Probably. There's so *much* wrong... |
| 01:01.49 | GeneralAntilles | It's like Pokemon |
| 01:01.53 | GeneralAntilles | "Gotta correct them all!" |
| 01:02.10 | ccooke | you have to experience it all... before the charges of homicide start to stack up? |
| 01:02.32 | ccooke | ah, well. It keeps things interesting. |
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| 01:03.16 | ccooke | For instance, It's 2am here, I have work in the morning and *instead* I'm hacking on a bastardised RSS archiver for my tablet. Anything interesting has to be a bonus. |
| 01:11.17 | aspect | oh sweet |
| 01:11.30 | aspect | xournal can open pdfs \o/ |
| 01:17.42 | ccooke | aspect: and edit them, which is better :-) |
| 01:18.50 | aspect | yeah. I just discovered this by accident downloading a pdf on my tablet/notebook which doesn't have xpdf installed. made me very happy! |
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| 01:22.59 | derf | It uses pdftoppm, which comes from xpdf. |
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| 02:03.07 | crashanddie | OMFG I just had a fox sniff my ass and run away |
| 02:03.31 | GeneralAntilles | Are you sleeping out on the yard or something? |
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| 02:22.11 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, I'm outside with the laptop so I can smoke freely |
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| 02:43.13 | mdg | hello! I am trying to download Mplayer to my Nokia 700 running OS2006. What is the "helper" application that seems to be missing? |
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| 02:46.04 | mdg | When I try to download mplayer from the maemo website I have a download error "/tmp/player-1.install could not be opened because the associated helper application does not exist. Change the association in your preferences." |
| 02:47.07 | mdg | Y'all are quiet tonight :) |
| 02:50.17 | mdg | hello anyone |
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| 02:57.46 | gregorovius | mdg: os2006? |
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| 03:03.04 | mdg | I've tried and tried to install Hackeros 2007 - no luck |
| 03:05.07 | summatusmentis | hi all |
| 03:05.43 | gregorovius_ | does os2006 have a repository manager? |
| 03:09.09 | mdg | how do I add mplayer to my nokia 770 - os 2006 |
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| 03:13.41 | mdg | found it - tools > application manager |
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| 03:16.51 | summatusmentis | how many people use their tablet for dev as well as for day to day use? |
| 03:19.37 | gregorovius | that's what I was talking about :) |
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| 03:33.42 | mdg | how can I add the application repositories list to /etc/apt/sources.list on my nokia? |
| 03:38.30 | ToyKeeper | Well, I've got a working fitaly keyboard now, but it still needs some tweaking. |
| 03:38.32 | ToyKeeper | http://toykeeper.net/tmp/maemo-fitaly-1.png |
| 03:39.17 | ToyKeeper | http://toykeeper.net/tmp/keyboard-fitaly.xml |
| 03:43.39 | ToyKeeper | Hmm, I should swap the sections, to make typing easier for right-handed people. |
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| 03:56.40 | ToyKeeper | Yes, much better. |
| 03:56.43 | ToyKeeper | http://toykeeper.net/tmp/maemo-fitaly-2.png |
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| 03:59.11 | gregorovius | ToyKeeper: what's that layout for? |
| 03:59.27 | ToyKeeper | Optimized for english single-finger typing. |
| 03:59.41 | ToyKeeper | It minimizes the distance between consecutive letters, on average. |
| 04:00.03 | ToyKeeper | Qwerty/dvorak both tend to maximize the distance, since they're designed to alternate hands as much as possible. |
| 04:00.06 | gregorovius | I guess single-finger applies for stylus as well |
| 04:00.23 | gregorovius | not a bad idea |
| 04:01.34 | ToyKeeper | There's some weirdness in matchbox-keyboard with exact key sizing... like a key with width=3000 isn't the same width as three keys with width=1000. |
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| 04:02.07 | ToyKeeper | I haven't had much luck with attributes like 'fill="true"' either. |
| 04:02.40 | ToyKeeper | Anyway, when I get things tweaked more, I'll try to get it included in the package. |
| 04:03.12 | ToyKeeper | It's almost a direct copy of my fitaly layout for openembedded: http://toykeeper.net/ipaq/gfx/screenshots/2002-11-11.fitalyslashdot.png |
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| 05:09.33 | GeneralAntilles | woot.com |
| 05:09.38 | GeneralAntilles | If anybody needs a backup unit |
| 05:10.16 | ToyKeeper | ... backup battery? |
| 05:10.41 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 05:11.05 | ToyKeeper | I was hoping for a cheap NIT. I was sad when I missed their 770 sale. |
| 05:11.47 | GeneralAntilles | I need to pick up a battery pack to make my Beagle a bit more mobile. |
| 05:12.03 | Italodance | %80 users are american here yes!? |
| 05:12.04 | GeneralAntilles | Need something a bit smaller, though. |
| 05:12.13 | GeneralAntilles | Italodance, uh, no. |
| 05:12.20 | GeneralAntilles | Why is that with an exclamation point? :\ |
| 05:12.41 | Italodance | hehe |
| 05:12.58 | Italodance | cos IT only sell in USA |
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| 05:14.12 | tekojo | Morning |
| 05:14.18 | GeneralAntilles | Howdy |
| 05:14.31 | tekojo | How's life? |
| 05:14.43 | tekojo | and the beagle |
| 05:14.47 | GeneralAntilles | Waiting for the next weekend. ;) |
| 05:15.00 | GeneralAntilles | Suffering in its own little Catch-22. |
| 05:16.39 | timelyx | Italodance: Nokia sold the tablet on their web site |
| 05:18.32 | rmrfchik | err, why media player don't see my music on external card (/media/mmc1/music/.../*mp3)? |
| 05:19.18 | timelyx | rmrfchik: it uses a crawler, which if running should find the music... |
| 05:19.36 | rmrfchik | and how to run a crawler? |
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| 05:19.39 | GeneralAntilles | The crawler can fail for a variety of reasons. |
| 05:19.39 | tank-man | maybe its still indexing the mp3s |
| 05:19.51 | GeneralAntilles | It should take care of itself. |
| 05:20.24 | rmrfchik | i put files to card on thursday |
| 05:20.37 | rmrfchik | 5 days ago |
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| 07:08.54 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, ping. |
| 07:11.10 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Pong. |
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| 07:13.11 | GeneralAntilles | Did you ever get the logs from the last sprint review? |
| 07:13.20 | GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting still needs to be updated. |
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| 07:14.33 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I should have logged it, let me check. |
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| 07:15.06 | X-Fade | Yes, I have the log. |
| 07:15.11 | X-Fade | Will upload it. |
| 07:15.50 | GeneralAntilles | Thanks |
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| 07:22.45 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/maemo-meeting-2008-09-02.html |
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| 07:24.34 | GeneralAntilles | Eeeeexcellent |
| 07:25.28 | X-Fade | I changed history a bit ;) |
| 07:25.52 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 07:26.16 | GeneralAntilles | You should intersperse snarky comments throughout all the logs. |
| 07:26.36 | GeneralAntilles | "What? X-Fade didn't miss the last sprint review." ;) |
| 07:26.38 | X-Fade | heh ;) |
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| 07:46.54 | Khertan_n810 | Hi ! |
| 07:47.11 | Stskeeps | morning Khertan_n810 |
| 07:47.32 | Khertan_n810 | i need some help with thread and gtk |
| 07:48.01 | Khertan_n810 | in mcalendar i use py thread and idle_add |
| 07:48.16 | Khertan_n810 | but how to do it without using a gtk.main |
| 07:48.17 | Khertan_n810 | ? |
| 07:48.45 | Stskeeps | Khertan_n810: i don't think it's possible.. i had a friend of mine develop on a thread + gtk, and without a event dispatch loop everything messes up horridly |
| 07:49.22 | Khertan_n810 | hum ... |
| 07:49.51 | Stskeeps | in python :P |
| 07:50.07 | Khertan_n810 | but how can i do it with gtk.main() |
| 07:50.16 | Khertan_n810 | once i call it |
| 07:50.35 | Khertan_n810 | the program wait for user input |
| 07:50.42 | Khertan_n810 | or an event |
| 07:51.09 | Khertan_n810 | but i can t emit event only when i m out of the gtk event loop |
| 07:51.22 | Khertan_n810 | is there a way to send an event to this loop |
| 07:51.24 | Khertan_n810 | ? |
| 07:52.01 | inz | Khertan, what do you want to do? |
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| 07:52.19 | Stskeeps | Khertan_n810: there's very likely a method for it |
| 07:52.25 | Stskeeps | for putting things into event queue |
| 07:52.32 | Khertan_n810 | hum i found using idle_add |
| 07:53.22 | Stskeeps | remembering to do gtk.gdk.threads_init() btw? |
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| 07:53.50 | Stskeeps | http://unpythonic.blogspot.com/2007/08/using-threads-in-pygtk.html <- think i used this one back when i worked with threads and pygtk |
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| 07:57.31 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:00.36 | Stskeeps | lbt: you don't happen to be some obscure C coder with plenty of X11 coding experience? |
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| 08:05.06 | Khertan_n810 | re |
| 08:05.14 | Khertan_n810 | sorry connection drop |
| 08:05.32 | Khertan_n810 | and don t mind about my previous sentence |
| 08:05.54 | Khertan_n810 | this is the morning and it s seems i not very well wake up |
| 08:06.18 | liri | hey Khertan |
| 08:06.29 | Khertan_n810 | hey liri |
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| 08:06.55 | Khertan_n810 | Stskeeps: :) this works now ... |
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| 08:10.42 | Khertan_n810 | re |
| 08:11.02 | Khertan_n810 | is tired of this unstable connection |
| 08:12.47 | liri | Khertan_n810: I installed mcalendar a few days ago - I was wondering if you're going to support the calendar view |
| 08:13.18 | Khertan_n810 | calendar view ? |
| 08:13.34 | Khertan_n810 | you mean displaying a sample calendar ? |
| 08:13.55 | Khertan_n810 | to show day on month without any events ? |
| 08:14.29 | liri | I mean to show all days in a month in a kind of a matrix way - called monthly view (and not in the form of an agenda/todo list) |
| 08:15.18 | Khertan_n810 | in a view like this i can t show any event on na suchn small screen |
| 08:15.46 | Khertan_n810 | but i don t remember if i ve implemented this in 0.4.0 |
| 08:16.08 | Khertan_n810 | but now when you clic on the current date (at the top) |
| 08:16.14 | liri | I thought so too but I'm sure the split of the boxes can be improved and maybe the font reduced |
| 08:16.14 | Khertan_n810 | it display a calendar |
| 08:16.23 | liri | yeah I saw the calendar display |
| 08:16.40 | liri | but it's a calendar without showing events so I don't get the feeling where I have events and where I don' |
| 08:16.43 | liri | *don't |
| 08:17.05 | liri | a good improvement to the agenda view is to add colors for example |
| 08:17.19 | liri | because it's a white-black list of events in different dates and it's not easy to read |
| 08:17.50 | liri | maybe you can even separate dates like in MS Outlook which has "This week", "Last week" kind of separators |
| 08:17.59 | Khertan_n810 | i ve added google calendar color in 0.4.1 |
| 08:18.36 | liri | I don't remember which version I have, I installed it from the repos |
| 08:18.46 | Khertan_n810 | so 0.4.0 |
| 08:18.57 | Khertan_n810 | 0.4.1 isn t available yet |
| 08:19.01 | liri | think about the monthly view |
| 08:19.07 | liri | at least a weekly view is required |
| 08:19.12 | liri | ok |
| 08:19.28 | Khertan_n810 | it ll look like : http://khertan.net/poubelle/screenshot28.png |
| 08:19.53 | liri | much nicer |
| 08:20.21 | Khertan_n810 | in fact i made list |
| 08:20.35 | liri | but different days/dates should have different colors too |
| 08:20.53 | liri | otherwise if all of the events for 2-3 subsequent events are in the same calendar then they are all colored in blue |
| 08:21.01 | Khertan_n810 | as i hate view like gpe or dates (pimlico) |
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| 08:21.01 | liri | which again, makes it harder to read (at least for me) |
| 08:21.39 | Khertan_n810 | yep i m looking on how to make color for each days |
| 08:24.25 | liri | by the way, will google contacts be in sync with the communications contacts app in the tablet? (the one used for the sip calls) |
| 08:24.25 | aquatix | Khertan_n810: nice |
| 08:24.47 | Khertan_n810 | thx |
| 08:24.51 | aquatix | Khertan_n810: are you going to implement syncml btw? |
| 08:25.05 | aquatix | as i don't really like sharing all my data with google |
| 08:25.24 | Khertan_n810 | if i found a way to do it easy |
| 08:27.10 | Khertan_n810 | bye |
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| 08:32.54 | RST38h | Hello all |
| 08:33.08 | RST38h | Could somebody check for me if VGBA 3.6 has gone into Extras? |
| 08:33.27 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:33.32 | Jaffa | Hmm, I think I said that |
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| 08:40.29 | X-Fade | RST38h: I see it on my N810 diablo. |
| 08:40.47 | X-Fade | 3.6.0-1 |
| 08:41.07 | RST38h | Yep, just checked the directory file |
| 08:41.15 | RST38h | Thanks! Updating Downloads page as we speak |
| 08:42.01 | X-Fade | RST38h: Sorry, no auto updater for non-free yet ;) |
| 08:47.20 | RST38h | It's fine with me - I can update it manually, there is a lot more things I have to do when releasing a product |
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| 09:41.40 | lardman | 'ello |
| 09:42.31 | GeneralAntilles | I don't think Downloads could get any slower. |
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| 09:42.39 | GeneralAntilles | Hi, lardman. |
| 09:43.02 | lardman | hi GeneralAntilles |
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| 09:51.06 | Jaffa | lo lardman |
| 09:51.34 | crashanddie | hi lardman, Jaffa & GeneralAntilles |
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| 09:57.22 | lardman | hi Jaffa, crashanddie |
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| 10:19.10 | hrw | morning |
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| 10:22.18 | lardman | hi hrw |
| 10:24.26 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, is it just or, or has the maemo.org/Maemo Community council thing only managed to become less clear? |
| 10:26.13 | GeneralAntilles | dneary's not even here for me to poke. . . . |
| 10:28.13 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe I just wasn't clear enough on the list |
| 10:28.33 | GeneralAntilles | but dneary is saying exactly the OPPOSITE of what I meant and acting like it's what I said. . . . |
| 10:37.50 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: It's getting less clear, certainly. There is a community of people outside of maemo.org who use Maemo-powered devices; and the aim of the council should be to help encourage people use maemo.org |
| 10:38.28 | GAN800 | The other issue is that "Maemo" implies "Maemo Software" |
| 10:38.53 | GAN800 | and the goal isn't really to get Nokia to ship a PIM suite. :/ |
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| 10:46.24 | melmoth | hmmm, is somebody speaking chinese here by any chances ? |
| 10:52.25 | lcuk | mmmmmmm chicken blt FTW! |
| 10:54.02 | GAN800 | Mmm . . . |
| 10:54.10 | GAN800 | time to buy bacon |
| 10:54.29 | lcuk | well i went for a salad but was tempted by the smell |
| 10:54.58 | Khertan_n810 | hi |
| 10:54.59 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, whats the bacon like round your way? do you get from a butchers or direct from a pig |
| 10:55.06 | lcuk | hi Khertan_n810 \o |
| 10:55.16 | GAN800 | Grocery store usually |
| 10:55.27 | lcuk | pre-packaged? |
| 10:55.32 | GAN800 | Yeah |
| 10:55.34 | lcuk | pre-cooked? |
| 10:55.34 | Khertan_n810 | vote for GA |
| 10:55.46 | GAN800 | I'm too lazy to seek out fresh stuff. |
| 10:55.53 | lcuk | Khertan_n810, you arent meant to tell us your vote |
| 10:55.53 | GAN800 | No, not cooked. |
| 10:56.12 | lcuk | i honestly believe by the next maemo election we should have custom software stack and voting MUST be done from maemo device |
| 10:56.25 | lcuk | touchscreen voting FTW |
| 10:56.33 | GAN800 | Shrink-wrapped, vacuum-sealed slab of meat slices. |
| 10:56.36 | Khertan_n810 | hum ... i doesn t talk about the maemo council one |
| 10:56.47 | lcuk | ahhh Khertan_n810 lol |
| 10:57.05 | Khertan_n810 | but it was about the last sentence of ga |
| 10:57.20 | lcuk | are you a bacon man as well? |
| 10:57.28 | GAN800 | lol |
| 10:57.31 | Khertan_n810 | lol |
| 10:57.46 | Khertan_n810 | talking about previous last sentence |
| 10:57.46 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 10:58.00 | Khertan_n810 | aim of maemo council |
| 10:58.12 | lcuk | is only pullin ur leg |
| 10:58.36 | GAN800 | So he can take it off and cook it into bacon |
| 10:58.43 | GAN800 | lcuk's a sick, sick man |
| 10:58.46 | lcuk | :D lol |
| 10:59.02 | lcuk | leg doesnt make good bacon |
| 10:59.09 | lcuk | gimme some decent pork-belly |
| 10:59.13 | aquatix | ~bacon++ |
| 10:59.29 | lcuk | my god if i went through scrollback people would think i was bacon obsessed |
| 10:59.31 | Khertan_n810 | is there a tutorial about opening a n810 somewhere ? |
| 10:59.47 | aquatix | Khertan_n810: slide it up |
| 10:59.50 | aquatix | runs |
| 10:59.53 | lcuk | Khertan_n810, ummmmm ive seen a service manual somewhere |
| 11:00.09 | Khertan_n810 | it s seems there is something the screen and the keyboard |
| 11:00.15 | lcuk | which includes full frontal step by step undressing |
| 11:00.26 | lcuk | i think |
| 11:00.42 | Khertan_n810 | when i slide up i can hear something 'scratching' |
| 11:00.43 | lcuk | rummages through his grotmags ermmmmm internet links to find it |
| 11:01.15 | Khertan_n810 | i ve some scratch on the space key too |
| 11:01.16 | lcuk | you have grit in your mechanism - you will end up with scratches on the keyboard like others mentioned in itT yesterday |
| 11:01.26 | Khertan_n810 | lol |
| 11:02.17 | Khertan_n810 | so i m not the only one |
| 11:04.26 | Khertan_n810 | hope he will understand everyone at summit as his english isnt't fluent |
| 11:04.53 | GeneralAntilles | Alright, I'm washing my hands of the maemo.org/Maemo issue |
| 11:05.01 | GeneralAntilles | If somebody else wants to argue it, feel free. |
| 11:05.01 | lcuk | Khertan_n810, you has a privmsg :) |
| 11:05.03 | GeneralAntilles | I'm not interested. |
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| 11:05.41 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, good job you are washing hands of it |
| 11:05.46 | lcuk | maemo.org/Maemo doesnt exist: |
| 11:05.47 | lcuk | Error 404: Page could not be found. |
| 11:05.47 | lcuk | The requested URL /Maemo/ could not be found on this server. |
| 11:06.39 | lcuk | Khertan_n810, we will do lots of hand waving and stuff |
| 11:06.47 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 11:06.58 | Khertan_n810 | i ll talk in python :) |
| 11:07.06 | lcuk | heh |
| 11:08.28 | crashanddie | moanin' lcuk & Khertan_n810 |
| 11:08.34 | lcuk | i have to go again, cblt is finished |
| 11:08.40 | lcuk | balls mornin crash |
| 11:08.52 | lcuk | bbl |
| 11:09.48 | Khertan_n810 | morning crashanddie |
| 11:09.58 | crashanddie | http://www.boreme.com/media/yr2007/suicide-blowjob.jpg |
| 11:10.32 | crashanddie | Khertan_n810, don't be afraid to ask people to repeat |
| 11:10.46 | Khertan_n810 | i ll not |
| 11:11.19 | Khertan_n810 | just hope they will not be borred after the 10 times :) |
| 11:11.50 | GeneralAntilles | We'll give everybody trouts to hit you with when you get it wrong. :P |
| 11:11.51 | Khertan_n810 | crashandie: funny |
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| 11:12.17 | Khertan_n810 | lol |
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| 11:18.59 | andre___ | what's the exact name of that background process running that makes my n810 blink and display an icon in the buttom left corner when a new mail has arrived? |
| 11:19.23 | GAN800 | magic |
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| 11:19.43 | GAN800 | it's notifier something, I believe. |
| 11:19.45 | andre___ | but "ps ax | grep magic" doesn't provide output :-P |
| 11:19.55 | GAN800 | probably registers a dbus service |
| 11:20.13 | GAN800 | I'd check for the .desktop in the taskbar plugin folder. |
| 11:20.14 | andre___ | probably... ok. let's read that ps ax output, andre... |
| 11:21.17 | GAN800 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:23.19 | Jaffa | weighs in on the maemo.org/Maemo thread. |
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| 11:25.21 | Khertan1 | crashanddie canola est lourd... |
| 11:25.31 | Jaffa | For, y'know, fun 'n' stuff... |
| 11:26.06 | GAN800 | Jaffa, the 'fun'n'stuff' is over in -users. ;) |
| 11:26.11 | crashanddie | Jaffa, nicely put |
| 11:26.13 | RST38h | proposes capitalizing Maemo as MaEm0 |
| 11:26.33 | GAN800 | maEmo |
| 11:26.40 | RST38h | It looks more eleet this way and will serve to unite "maemo" and "Maemo" adherents =) |
| 11:26.48 | RST38h | [against the new capitalization] |
| 11:27.06 | aquatix | RST38h: s/eleet/breezer |
| 11:27.57 | Khertan1 | m43M0 |
| 11:28.09 | aquatix | /\/\43M0 |
| 11:28.16 | crashanddie | just emo |
| 11:28.20 | aquatix | lol |
| 11:28.24 | aquatix | my Emo |
| 11:28.25 | crashanddie | looking at all the drama on the mailing lists |
| 11:28.34 | aquatix | my first emo |
| 11:28.34 | GAN800 | makes a // gang sign. |
| 11:28.49 | aquatix | (sony style) |
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| 11:29.02 | Khertan1 | /\/\aem0 |
| 11:29.24 | GAN800 | Meme-o |
| 11:29.58 | crashanddie | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ueUOTImKp0k |
| 11:29.59 | liri | m/-\emo |
| 11:30.16 | liri | or my personal favourite |
| 11:30.19 | aquatix | liri: hm, that looks almost sci-fi classy |
| 11:30.20 | liri | maemoooooooooo |
| 11:30.24 | aquatix | ghehe |
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| 11:30.28 | liri | heh |
| 11:30.49 | GAN800 | Mmm. Reminds me of Life Aquatic |
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| 11:31.58 | Jaffa | Oooh, we should do a "Finding Maemo" T-shirt for the summit ;-) |
| 11:32.26 | GAN800 | Ha |
| 11:32.46 | GAN800 | Somebody draw up a tablet with fins |
| 11:33.01 | GAN800 | Then prep for the assault from Disney legal. |
| 11:33.14 | Jaffa | I laugh in the face of a lawsuit. |
| 11:33.21 | Jaffa | And I'll do it anonymously and claim parody. |
| 11:33.34 | Jaffa | Oh, and I can't draw so it won't be anywhere close to their trademarks ;-) |
| 11:33.43 | Mek | hmm... anyone has seen this error before in scratchbox? /scratchbox/compilers/bin/g++: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libfakeroot/libfakeroot-tcp.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 11:34.10 | GAN800 | That damn mouse is responsible for the sad state of current copyright law. |
| 11:34.22 | Mek | (and that file does actually exist) |
| 11:34.27 | Khertan1 | Jaffa: i can draw it for you ... with a style near my great maemo logo ... : http://khertan.net/poubelle/logo1.png |
| 11:34.41 | Jaffa | Khertan1: heh |
| 11:34.46 | GAN800 | <3's that logo |
| 11:34.59 | GAN800 | Khertan was robbed. |
| 11:35.08 | Knirch_ | Ma EMO |
| 11:35.15 | lcuk | we should pilfer one of the esquire mag e-ink things and get a live maemo tshirt, or just cut a n810 sized hole |
| 11:35.18 | GAN800 | I'm quite certain the selection committee took a bribe. |
| 11:35.35 | lbt | SLANDER! |
| 11:35.43 | lbt | cried |
| 11:35.45 | _marcell_ | andre___: that would be modest |
| 11:35.51 | GAN800 | lcuk, N810+velcro |
| 11:36.14 | lcuk | no, i need the velcro for when i go sheep hunting |
| 11:36.22 | lbt | your not welsh |
| 11:36.36 | andre___ | _marcell_, interesting. then it's not running here, would explain why i don't get popups about new imap mail anymore |
| 11:36.49 | lbt | s/ur/u're/ |
| 11:37.23 | GAN800 | murderall modest |
| 11:37.53 | lcuk | wonders what to do with all his desktop icons |
| 11:38.25 | Khertan1 | kill --violently modest |
| 11:38.26 | aquatix | lcuk: ctrl+a del |
| 11:38.37 | Khertan1 | lcuk: rm -rf / |
| 11:38.51 | aquatix | rm -rf ~/Desktop |
| 11:39.30 | lcuk | i cant do that, ill lose important stuff like "youtube: manamana" |
| 11:39.53 | lcuk | and such classics as "youtube - thomas the tank engine" |
| 11:40.07 | lcuk | jake will cry |
| 11:40.17 | jott | Mek: did you apply the fakeroot patch? |
| 11:40.22 | lcuk | and then start opening the remaining icons |
| 11:40.55 | Mek | jott: what fakeroot patch? |
| 11:41.07 | jott | Mek: from the qemu-eabi site.. |
| 11:41.21 | jott | see also http://setanta.wordpress.com/category/maemo/ |
| 11:41.39 | Mek | ah, yeah, I see... not yet :) |
| 11:41.47 | jott | it's step 4 here :) http://qemu-arm-eabi.wiki.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 11:48.51 | Mikho | Ok, I have an autoconf problem |
| 11:49.01 | GAN800 | ohgod |
| 11:49.13 | GAN800 | Shatner is advertising WoW now |
| 11:49.21 | lcuk | now? thats ancient |
| 11:49.23 | Mikho | when I write pkgdatadir=[${datarootdir}]/[$PACKAGE] it expands to ${prefix}/share/serlaunchd |
| 11:49.42 | Mikho | now how can I get the macro to expand the prefix as well? |
| 11:49.46 | yacoob | plus, Mr. T. was so much better :D |
| 11:49.51 | GAN800 | I've only seen the Mr. T one. |
| 11:50.26 | GAN800 | WoW is bad enough it ALMOST makes me hate _Blizzard_. . . . |
| 11:50.39 | yacoob | it's not bad, it's just a game |
| 11:50.58 | GAN800 | yacoob, gtfo WoW addict. |
| 11:51.05 | lcuk | i think playing maemo is the best game of all |
| 11:51.24 | yacoob | GAN800, having problems? :D |
| 11:51.28 | lcuk | after buying the base package and working hard, i am now a level 69 dev |
| 11:51.34 | yacoob | (I don't play it) |
| 11:51.39 | lcuk | farming in the itT forums is fun |
| 11:51.39 | GAN800 | WoW is evil |
| 11:51.42 | yacoob | lcuk, just wait for the expansion |
| 11:52.03 | jott | loots lcuk source code |
| 11:52.31 | lcuk | yacoob :) i see my time in maemo as extreme gaming :) its also learning for the future - all the pain ive had this year flexing my c muscles and learning all about linux is going to pay off in the long run |
| 11:52.47 | yacoob | GAN800, it doesn't make sense. It's just like saying 'ketchup is stupid'. WoW is just a game, people becoming addicted to it have problems, that they would droow in something else if there wasn't wow |
| 11:52.55 | lcuk | jott, not yet you wont - though no doubt i will repeat the last time i went on holiday before i step onto a plane :) |
| 11:53.04 | Mikho | anyone know anything about autoconf? |
| 11:53.16 | yacoob | but that's offtopic here, agreed. |
| 11:53.18 | lcuk | no Mikho i dont have it on my device |
| 11:53.40 | XTL | ketchup _is_ stupid |
| 11:53.49 | aquatix | lol |
| 11:54.08 | aquatix | thankfully it is, otherwise i'd be eating sentient mushed tomatoes :/ |
| 11:54.09 | lcuk | xtl whats your view on mayonaise? |
| 11:54.31 | aquatix | lcuk: mayonaise is yummy (the dutch stuff that is) |
| 11:55.11 | X-Fade | It sure is! :) |
| 11:55.14 | lcuk | aquatix, did i ask you, you are not authorized to speak of culinary things in this channel, xtl is our resident goto man for food |
| 11:55.18 | lcuk | :P |
| 11:55.45 | aquatix | sudo all_culinary_talk aquatix |
| 11:55.48 | jott | why you have not mentioned bacon yet? |
| 11:55.53 | aquatix | s/all/allow |
| 11:56.15 | aquatix | jott: i did :) or where you talking about lcuk? |
| 11:56.17 | lcuk | jott, cos im digesting a lovely blt+chicken sandwich from earlier - i still have the taste on my lips |
| 11:56.24 | yacoob | sentient bacon from Proxima IX |
| 11:56.35 | aquatix | yacoob: :) |
| 11:56.41 | lcuk | bacon is sentient before its made into bacon |
| 11:56.47 | aquatix | damn, getting hungry again |
| 11:56.49 | jott | aquatix: lcuk has to say bacon at least three times a day in this channel :) |
| 11:56.50 | lcuk | after that its just delicious |
| 11:56.54 | aquatix | had lunch just 1.5h ago |
| 11:57.12 | aquatix | lcuk: *g* |
| 11:57.18 | lcuk | pigs are just mobile bacon caravans |
| 11:57.54 | aquatix | apt-get source bacon |
| 11:58.00 | aquatix | downloading pig... |
| 11:58.15 | XTL | lcuk: Mayonnaise is brilliant :) |
| 11:58.17 | lcuk | spider pig, spider pig, does whatever a spider pig does |
| 11:58.22 | lardman | I was in the lab, hence my lack of reply ;) |
| 11:58.23 | XTL | Well, in its place of course |
| 11:58.28 | lcuk | lol lardman |
| 11:58.31 | lardman | feeling hungry now though |
| 11:58.34 | lcuk | exploding bacon |
| 11:58.59 | XTL | mmm |
| 11:59.00 | aquatix | awwgh |
| 11:59.02 | lcuk | mmmm my maemo.org t-shirt will have to include bacon |
| 11:59.05 | aquatix | gets a cookie |
| 11:59.18 | aquatix | everyone is lunching or talking about food |
| 11:59.27 | jott | thinks of making bacon+eggs. |
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| 11:59.44 | baaba | did gstreamer0.10-tools suddenly disappear? |
| 12:00.03 | lcuk | bstreaky0.10-tools ? |
| 12:00.29 | jott | gstreamer0.10-bacon |
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| 12:00.37 | jott | baaba: was it ever there? |
| 12:00.42 | aquatix | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:00.43 | aquatix | ;) |
| 12:01.42 | lcuk | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/g/gstreamer0.10/ |
| 12:02.07 | lcuk | its in there: gstreamer0.10-tools_0.10.13-0osso13~diablo1_i386.deb |
| 12:02.34 | baaba | oh nevermind, i forgot to add diablo/sdk |
| 12:02.45 | baaba | *facepalm* |
| 12:02.47 | lcuk | happy to bacon |
| 12:02.53 | Mikho | ok, found it already |
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| 12:03.05 | aquatix | hm, anyone knows why, if in python i have a class object with a library that i fill with instances of another class and i create another of that big class that creates its own instances of the other class, that i get copies of instances from the objects in the first class'es library in the second? |
| 12:03.29 | aquatix | wonders whether that sentence even is comprehendable |
| 12:03.44 | lcuk | no, unparsable |
| 12:03.50 | aquatix | meh |
| 12:04.46 | aquatix | instance class1( library1{class2, class2, class2} ) other instance class1( library1{class2, class2, class2} ) <- same class2 instances as the first one has in its library |
| 12:05.03 | aquatix | while i create new instances |
| 12:05.27 | lcuk | then it depends how you are initializing the class1_v2 instance |
| 12:05.33 | lcuk | is it just a shallow clone? |
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| 12:05.54 | aquatix | clusters[i] = Cluster.Cluster(<<parameters>>) |
| 12:06.13 | lcuk | parameters=fuck? |
| 12:06.25 | aquatix | no, but they are irrelevant ints |
| 12:06.31 | aquatix | with id's and such |
| 12:07.18 | lcuk | do you explicitely construct and fill the member library1 when you create the instance, or do you clone the first object and work from there |
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| 12:08.29 | aquatix | lcuk: i do another explicit construct |
| 12:08.39 | aquatix | sec, i'll pastebin a piece |
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| 12:10.18 | andrewfblack | Anyone know how you can upload a Projects website on garage.maemo.org? |
| 12:10.22 | RST38h | North Korea was yesterday accused of infiltrating an international taekwondo group and using it as a front for espionage and assassination, including a planned 1982 attempt on the life of South Korean president Chun Doo Hwan |
| 12:10.30 | RST38h | Ninjas!!! |
| 12:10.44 | GAN800 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:10.48 | lcuk | sounds more like zoolander tbh |
| 12:10.55 | GAN800 | s/is/in/ |
| 12:11.25 | andrewfblack | thanks |
| 12:12.05 | aquatix | lcuk: http://pastebin.com/d24397bf3 |
| 12:12.25 | aquatix | hope that's clear |
| 12:13.37 | aquatix | somehow, i get the same Node's (same objects) in the various Cluster's |
| 12:16.09 | lcuk | aquatix, you mean only a single lonely node is created - or you manage to create a group of them, but the same group is used for each and every cluster |
| 12:16.23 | aquatix | the latter |
| 12:16.49 | aquatix | of course, the way i do it, each subsequent cluster has 1 Node more, but that's just one addition to the previous group |
| 12:17.03 | aquatix | which shows up in the cluster created after |
| 12:17.07 | aquatix | really odd :/ |
| 12:17.49 | lcuk | how do you know they are the same instance because from my nonprofessional view that code looks like it should work |
| 12:18.35 | aquatix | print self.nodes[i].__class__ |
| 12:18.47 | aquatix | and those object id's are the same |
| 12:19.27 | lcuk | yes, you are printing the classid not the instance id |
| 12:19.34 | aquatix | also, they all have the same cluster id after init is done (passed by the cluster to the node) |
| 12:19.38 | aquatix | oh |
| 12:19.43 | aquatix | but still |
| 12:22.22 | lcuk | in the pastebin code you call cluster.cluster with more params than you have in cluster.__init__ |
| 12:22.32 | lcuk | is this just a pastebin translation |
| 12:22.55 | aquatix | lcuk: no, disregard the last 2 parameters |
| 12:22.58 | lcuk | or normal behavious |
| 12:23.09 | aquatix | was a copy/paste edit error :) |
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| 12:23.20 | aquatix | those are some settings for the nodes |
| 12:23.55 | lcuk | whats the header for node__init |
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| 12:26.09 | aquatix | lcuk: http://pastebin.com/def1b7ed |
| 12:26.15 | lcuk | i personally tihnk its creating everything you are just looking at the wrong values to confirm - i would hazard you are storing a value in the wrong field which makes it look the same, but you are constructing all the objects - just confirm it yourself with some debug lines in each constructor and confirm the values passed to each |
| 12:28.27 | aquatix | myeah, i already did that, but i'll do some more debuggin |
| 12:29.27 | lcuk | dwhat does the "id" member do in python, is it a special keyword and does odd things - its being highlighted by pastebin as if it is ? |
| 12:30.09 | aquatix | lcuk: btw, http://pastebin.com/d22a82354 is the output of those __class__ calls |
| 12:30.17 | aquatix | hm, good point |
| 12:30.28 | aquatix | but shouldn't it complain then? |
| 12:30.39 | aquatix | it's defined in the class itself too |
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| 12:31.07 | lcuk | not sure, perhaps you are allowed to change it - just to be safe try converting to c(luster/node)id and see |
| 12:31.26 | aspect | lcuk: id() is a global function in python. pastebins' highlighting is stupid. |
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| 12:34.14 | aquatix | lcuk: besides, in that output pastebin, the `Cluster 1' etc is done by doing print "Cluster " + str(self.id) |
| 12:34.18 | aquatix | however, rewriting that now |
| 12:34.24 | GAN800 | Hit it with a stick. |
| 12:36.19 | aquatix | GAN800: i did, same shit |
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| 12:36.42 | aquatix | grmbl |
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| 12:38.39 | lcuk | aquatix, hmmm it is reusing your instances, very strange |
| 12:39.07 | aquatix | lcuk: indeed :/ |
| 12:39.29 | lcuk | ill call back later, hope you resolve it - try removing the inner loop and see if its still doing it |
| 12:39.48 | lcuk | then look at how other simple versions work and manage it - because you arent doing anything massively complex |
| 12:40.05 | aquatix | indeed |
| 12:40.13 | aquatix | what do you mean exactly with the inner loop? |
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| 12:42.56 | lcuk | aquatix, read this http://www.ibiblio.org/g2swap/byteofpython/read/class-init.html |
| 12:43.17 | lcuk | it sais you should only need Node(....) to construct |
| 12:43.23 | aquatix | hm |
| 12:43.25 | aquatix | sec... |
| 12:43.31 | lcuk | it also leaves off the initial init stuff you do at the head of the class |
| 12:43.50 | Jaffa | not a graphics artist: http://bleb.org/software/maemo/finding-maemo.jpg |
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| 12:44.06 | lcuk | depending upon when the nrNodes=4 id=-1 nodes={} gets called it might be running your __init__ function and then reclearing the nodes array |
| 12:44.45 | aquatix | if i do that, i get: |
| 12:44.46 | aquatix | TypeError: 'module' object is not callable |
| 12:45.07 | aquatix | hm |
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| 12:48.48 | lcuk | jaffa, on the back of your finding maemo t-shirt you MUST have a map showing location of c-base and a path from various hotels |
| 12:50.03 | lcuk | aquatix, my hunch is the init code you have outside the __init__ function. keep everything else the same as it was at your pastebin and just remove the stuff from outside __init__ |
| 12:50.12 | lcuk | comment it out |
| 12:50.21 | lcuk | anyway, back later |
| 12:50.35 | aquatix | oh hm |
| 12:50.43 | aquatix | lcuk: thanks |
| 12:50.47 | aquatix | that might just work |
| 12:50.56 | aquatix | has coded too much with normal languages ;) |
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| 13:04.18 | lbt | OK who's a physicist? |
| 13:04.55 | Jaffa | lcuk: heh |
| 13:05.06 | lbt | What's the upper bound energy for a Higgs boson? |
| 13:05.46 | lbt | and how much energy is there (in eV) in a single spark in a flint/steel strike? |
| 13:06.48 | X-Fade | 42? |
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| 13:07.36 | liri | it depends if is attached to a zpm module, and even then it differs between the types of matter-energy streams that spread through a wormhole |
| 13:07.58 | liri | babels some Stargate language |
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| 13:17.30 | crashanddie | liri, "zpm module" ? |
| 13:17.36 | crashanddie | liri, zero-point module module? |
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| 13:18.38 | RST38h | lbt: You don't really need to know this |
| 13:18.59 | RST38h | lbt: You only need to know that on Sep 11 2008 WE ARE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!! B) |
| 13:19.16 | RST38h | [btw, good choice of date] |
| 13:20.08 | lbt | I'm working it out |
| 13:21.51 | lbt | OK, that surprised me :) |
| 13:22.33 | lbt | A steel spark has an energy of 50 Million GeV. |
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| 13:22.45 | lbt | CERN is making particles of about 12GeV |
| 13:22.50 | lbt | We are so in the shit... |
| 13:23.30 | ShadowJK | http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=1066 |
| 13:24.27 | lbt | yeah, there are a lot of them ;) |
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| 13:31.58 | lopz | hola |
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| 13:35.07 | lbt | Sorry, CERN is making particles of, erm, 14TeV. A spark is all of 50,000 TeV |
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| 13:43.17 | Khertan1 | 11 Sept 2008 ? |
| 13:43.21 | RST38h | lbt: my guess is that particles making a spark are flying in different directions |
| 13:43.22 | Khertan1 | a thuesday ? |
| 13:43.33 | Khertan1 | not possible |
| 13:43.35 | RST38h | Wednesday, Khertan, wednesday |
| 13:44.07 | Khertan1 | oh ... |
| 13:44.08 | RST38h | lbt: while LHC will accelerating them all in one direction |
| 13:44.21 | Khertan1 | wednesday is tommorow ... |
| 13:44.23 | Khertan1 | so 10 ? |
| 13:44.33 | RST38h | Oh, Thursday then |
| 13:44.35 | Khertan1 | lol ... i ve look the wrong year |
| 13:44.50 | Khertan1 | yep Thursday |
| 13:44.52 | Khertan1 | :) |
| 13:44.57 | RST38h | See? They haven't started it yet and years are already all wrong |
| 13:45.07 | Khertan1 | i ve look 2007 :) |
| 13:45.24 | Khertan1 | starting what ? |
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| 13:47.20 | Stskeeps | LHC launches at 10.09.08 .. :> |
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| 13:48.27 | Stskeeps | (10.9.8..:> |
| 13:48.31 | Khertan1 | oh ... THE LHC ! |
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| 13:55.18 | Jaffa | Or... they *have* started it and we're in a timeloop |
| 13:55.54 | n800m | damn it not again |
| 13:57.05 | elekt | phew logs check out. |
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| 14:07.08 | sp3000 | http://webcast.cern.ch/index2.html is fascinating |
| 14:07.27 | sp3000 | (the video part in particular) |
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| 14:09.00 | RST38h | is there any other part to it? |
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| 14:12.09 | lardman | ~lart freeview |
| 14:12.09 | infobot | teaches freeview the basics, including how to RTM |
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| 14:27.54 | maketo | hi, |
| 14:28.04 | maketo | hi, how do I know if I am running chinook or diablo? |
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| 14:30.11 | maketo | anyone? |
| 14:30.39 | aquatix | maketo: see the config screen |
| 14:30.50 | aquatix | control panel |
| 14:30.56 | elekt | about product |
| 14:31.03 | aquatix | yeah |
| 14:31.09 | aquatix | was looking up the exact option |
| 14:31.26 | maketo | hmm |
| 14:31.34 | aquatix | if it's version 4.2008.30-2 or something, it's diablo |
| 14:31.39 | maketo | it says "version: 2.2007.51-3" |
| 14:31.45 | andre___ | that's chinook |
| 14:31.56 | maketo | ok cool, thank you very much |
| 14:32.35 | aquatix | you're welcome :) |
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| 14:33.16 | elekt | i think we need more sexy themes |
| 14:33.35 | lbt | thinks so too |
| 14:34.55 | aquatix | thirds that motion |
| 14:35.17 | aquatix | there's a nice theme editor btw |
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| 14:35.21 | qwerty12 | thinks we need more themes |
| 14:35.23 | aquatix | maybe i should get creative |
| 14:35.25 | elekt | yeah i was looking at it |
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| 15:05.03 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: i wouldn't mind a timeloop if it meant that knowledge in your mind was kept for next iteration :P |
| 15:05.17 | Stskeeps | except development projects gets kinda .. endless |
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| 15:14.13 | andrewfblack | elekt if you have a theme you want made let me know I do requests |
| 15:14.38 | andrewfblack | opps already gone |
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| 15:19.17 | aquatix | is thinking about a mix between the sleekness of Hendrika and the clean translucent bars of the default theme |
| 15:22.40 | andrewfblack | aquatix that sounds cool |
| 15:23.41 | aquatix | yeah |
| 15:23.47 | aquatix | too bad we don't have the templates |
| 15:24.09 | andrewfblack | those would be real easy to remake |
| 15:24.38 | qwerty12 | Nokia don't make their themes using konttori's theme maker... |
| 15:25.10 | andrewfblack | qwerty12 I know that but I could easly make a template that looked just like Hendrika |
| 15:26.22 | aquatix | qwerty12: they don't? tsk... |
| 15:26.37 | andrewfblack | lol |
| 15:26.51 | andrewfblack | maybe they should |
| 15:26.56 | qwerty12 | aquatix, learn about the horribly complicated hildon theme tools... I know the LCARS guy uses that |
| 15:27.13 | aquatix | i can imagine |
| 15:27.24 | aquatix | there's a reason konttori made his own theme maker :) |
| 15:31.49 | andrewfblack | the bad thing is konttori theme maker is still to hard for some people :) |
| 15:32.05 | andrewfblack | one guy can't even figure out how to open it lol |
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| 15:32.43 | qwerty12 | Nokia theme makers tend to be compilcated in general. Ever seen the Carbide theme maker for S60 phones? My personal favourite is the Sony ERicsson theme maker. |
| 15:34.10 | andrewfblack | nope n8x0 is the first device I have ever made a theme for |
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| 15:35.12 | andrewfblack | I think I should start releasing files only once a week, I think if I keep releasing stuff daily people will get tired of looking and downloading my stuff |
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| 15:38.05 | n800m | which themes are yours? |
| 15:38.49 | andrewfblack | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/themehackers/ |
| 15:38.55 | andrewfblack | They are all there |
| 15:39.45 | qwerty12 | Ooh, a lot of themes, thanks! |
| 15:40.02 | elekt | cool |
| 15:40.45 | andrewfblack | Thanks can't beleave you guys didn't know about them I have posts on itT and I have had several news articles on front page of garage |
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| 15:41.16 | elekt | i remember seeing the windows one |
| 15:42.12 | andrewfblack | like i just released a theme yesterday but I have two more that are just about ready and I have a few fixes to one I released yeserday but I don't know if I should go ahead and update it or wait since I just did it yeserday |
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| 15:42.34 | elekt | are there screenshots ? |
| 15:42.41 | andrewfblack | I don't want people to get tired of downloading themes from me |
| 15:42.43 | Jaredu|Work | heyo :) |
| 15:42.53 | andrewfblack | http://themehackers.maemobox.org/ |
| 15:42.59 | andrewfblack | screenshots are there |
| 15:43.15 | Mek | cd "/home/marijn/host/kde4libs/kde4libs-4.1.62~svn859093/obj-arm-linux-gnueabi/kate/plugins/pythonencoding" && /usr/bin/automoc4 "/home/marijn/host/kde4libs/kde4libs-4.1.62~svn859093/obj-arm-linux-gnueabi/kate/plugins/pythonencoding/ktexteditor_python-encoding_automoc.cpp" "/home/marijn/host/kde4libs/kde4libs-4.1.62~svn859093/kate/plugins/pythonencoding" "/home/marijn/host/kde4libs/kde4libs-4.1.62~svn859093/obj-arm-linux-gnueabi/kate/plugins/pythonencoding" /usr/b |
| 15:43.22 | Mek | sorry abou tthat :) |
| 15:43.35 | Mek | middle-mouse-paste is nice, but sometimes anoying :) |
| 15:43.40 | Jaredu|Work | omgz |
| 15:43.43 | Jaredu|Work | WINDOWZE |
| 15:43.46 | Jaredu|Work | lol ;) |
| 15:44.06 | Jaredu|Work | not bad on the themes man |
| 15:45.02 | andrewfblack | thanks, I have a xmen and Linux Mint one is the works as well and just started a Superman one by request |
| 15:45.08 | elekt | yeah nice stuff |
| 15:45.11 | Jaredu|Work | =] |
| 15:45.29 | andrewfblack | the other deveolpers in my project are all working on themes as well one person is doing a James Bond one that looks cool |
| 15:45.51 | elekt | i wanna see the linux mint one, the backgrounds look good |
| 15:46.00 | Jaredu|Work | Alright so Im new to this channel, I'll be getting an N810 within a couple weeks (waiting for college refund check +shipping time) and kinda was wondering if there was anything i need to know about the device that i havent already obsessed and found out already lol |
| 15:46.15 | Jaredu|Work | I currently have a sony mylo com 2, but the n810 is going to be nice for remote ssh from school :) |
| 15:46.28 | Jaredu|Work | and page rendering is considerably faster :P |
| 15:46.58 | Jaredu|Work | knowing how to make themes would be a bonus as well as its quite fun to do that stuff :P |
| 15:48.05 | Jaredu|Work | was thinking of maybe a stargate theme? ^_^ |
| 15:48.29 | andrewfblack | elekt I'll try and get a release of the linux mint theme in the next few days. |
| 15:48.45 | elekt | cool |
| 15:50.00 | Jaredu|Work | andrewfblack: how exactly do you make themes..? i know its gtk but is it just swapping the images or how does that work o.O |
| 15:50.24 | Jaredu|Work | ive used linux for awhile but the n810 will be the first customizable portable so i figured i'll go all out |
| 15:50.46 | lcuk | kontorri is designing a theme maker, hes been blogging about it |
| 15:50.59 | andrewfblack | I have a tutorial one itT but you basicly download this https://garage.maemo.org/projects/thememaker/ and edit the .psd file to way you want it to look then open the jar file and make theme |
| 15:51.17 | Jaredu|Work | ah awesome |
| 15:51.42 | lcuk | http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/ |
| 15:51.52 | lcuk | on his site theres vids and stuff explaining the process |
| 15:51.55 | Jaredu|Work | are there varables like size of the menu bars and stuff that are adjustable or are they locked |
| 15:51.56 | andrewfblack | yeah me and kontorri email just about everyday I've been talking him into adding features like the icon support and such |
| 15:52.11 | andrewfblack | there are some varables |
| 15:52.34 | Jaredu|Work | ive seen some instances of transparency so i know at least that works |
| 15:52.53 | Jaredu|Work | so worst case scenario i could do a shaded bar via pixel texturing lol |
| 15:52.57 | lardman | lcuk: I'm having strange sadistic thoughts of writing some code in VBA |
| 15:53.09 | Jaredu|Work | errrr |
| 15:53.09 | lardman | s/sadistic/masochistic |
| 15:53.16 | Jaredu|Work | dont do it xD |
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| 15:53.29 | lardman | I'm trying not to |
| 15:53.40 | Jaredu|Work | do some C instead |
| 15:53.40 | Jaredu|Work | lol |
| 15:53.52 | lardman | I want to make my email client record video when I email it a message |
| 15:54.02 | derf | Friends don't let friends write VB. |
| 15:54.08 | Jaredu|Work | this is true |
| 15:54.09 | lardman | and I'm running WinXP at work, so it's going to be outlook |
| 15:54.14 | Jaredu|Work | or python |
| 15:54.15 | Jaredu|Work | lol |
| 15:54.25 | Jaredu|Work | errr |
| 15:54.28 | Jaredu|Work | sec |
| 15:55.54 | lardman | now I just need to chose a suitable bit of pvr sw which will run on windows, to do the recording |
| 15:57.10 | lardman | is aiming for slingbox type functionality without getting into trouble for using work bandwidth |
| 15:57.24 | qwerty12 | ~lart other people using router so I can't upgrade firmware |
| 15:57.25 | infobot | squeezes other people using router so I can't upgrade firmware till other people using router so I can't upgrade firmware turns blue like papa smurf |
| 15:57.31 | lcuk | lardman, for quick bit of glue on a windows machine you cannot beat it :) |
| 15:57.47 | lcuk | just have a large glass of whiskey and get on with it |
| 15:57.58 | lardman | lcuk: yeah I know, I started programming using vb/vba |
| 15:58.19 | lardman | before I was legally allowed to drink whiskey ;) |
| 15:58.34 | qwerty12 | Bet it didn't stop you anyway :P |
| 15:58.50 | lcuk | really? i thought at your age you wouldv started flicking switches on an altair |
| 15:58.52 | lcuk | :P |
| 15:59.11 | lardman | well, embarassingly, I prefered Archers, then cider, then moved onto nasty bitter beer ;) |
| 15:59.12 | elekt | NICE burn |
| 15:59.50 | lcuk | its fine, i prefer alcopops :) if i cant taste the booze i wont get drunk |
| 15:59.53 | lardman | lcuk: how rude, I'm only 30 :p |
| 16:00.15 | lcuk | lol took you long enough to realise :P |
| 16:00.22 | yacoob | 30? people don't live that long. |
| 16:00.25 | lcuk | younger than me - i was sure you were older :) |
| 16:00.37 | lardman | only in my wisdom :D |
| 16:00.41 | lardman | hmm |
| 16:00.44 | lardman | :) |
| 16:00.59 | lardman | yacoob: yeah, starting to feel it now ;) |
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| 16:01.11 | lcuk | indeed :) your wisdom got you into linux before me |
| 16:01.37 | lcuk | really shouldv rejected the college courses and offers of money and stuck to his guns and ran linux on an old 286 |
| 16:01.44 | lcuk | anyone got a time machine i can botrrow? |
| 16:01.55 | lardman | that was just my desire to replace my Psion 5 -> Zaurus, needed to do some tweaking to get on Uni network, and the rest is history |
| 16:02.13 | yacoob | running linux on an old 286 makes MAN out of a wimp! |
| 16:02.30 | lcuk | i think im over the worst of the linux thing here, im starting to "get it" :) |
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| 16:02.57 | qwerty12 | is decent at linux, no idea how |
| 16:03.29 | lcuk | qwerty12, your brain can adapt, you are like the borg - i was similar in picking up amiga and windows and spectrums and stuff at the time |
| 16:03.59 | lcuk | is old now |
| 16:04.03 | yacoob | "When I was your age I... uh... um..." |
| 16:04.09 | qwerty12 | I've never touched an Amiga, don't think I would ever understand one if I used it :P |
| 16:04.25 | lcuk | its linux without the open source bit |
| 16:04.32 | lardman | or understand why people used such underpowered hardware? ;) |
| 16:04.37 | lcuk | itt just worked and there was a thriving shareware community |
| 16:04.48 | qwerty12 | what about warez? |
| 16:04.56 | qwerty12 | For a friend, you know... |
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| 16:05.13 | lcuk | lardman, amiga was ahead of its time, and with its custom chipsets it was a multi core wonder: very similar to this ere n810 (if we could use all cores that is) |
| 16:05.27 | lardman | revtran for the Psion was a thing of beauty :) |
| 16:05.28 | lcuk | oh yer qwerty, i got my first 2 warez games from my mum |
| 16:05.35 | lcuk | "Terminator 2" and "lemmings" :) |
| 16:05.41 | yacoob | it's just stopped evolving. |
| 16:05.42 | qwerty12 | lol :) |
| 16:05.45 | yacoob | and pcs started to. |
| 16:05.51 | lcuk | remembers the floppies |
| 16:06.28 | lardman | still has to use them, some of the lab hw is so old! |
| 16:06.33 | yacoob | yes, and the joys of having a bad sector on disk 11 out of 12. |
| 16:06.48 | qwerty12 | loves the inventor of usb flash drives |
| 16:07.08 | lcuk | lardman, if you buy something to act as a tool you dont update it if it works as expected |
| 16:07.08 | XTL | hates the weenies that kept floppy drives and vhs tapes going for so long |
| 16:07.08 | qwerty12 | My first computer had a floppy drive which worked for a while, until I broke it |
| 16:07.34 | elekt | i still have a few punchcards |
| 16:07.46 | elekt | text mainly |
| 16:08.02 | XTL | I just have a flowchart template |
| 16:08.05 | yacoob | sets +nostalgia,+my_computing_experience_is_older on #maemo |
| 16:08.20 | lcuk | elekt, could you get punch-card pron? |
| 16:08.43 | qwerty12 | http://www.asciipr0n.com/pr0n/ ... |
| 16:08.53 | lcuk | thats not punchcard though |
| 16:09.08 | qwerty12 | Meh, who punches porn on punchcards? |
| 16:09.27 | elekt | these just give me a 7043 error - "hanging chad on card XX" |
| 16:09.34 | lcuk | a porn hunter with a punchcard machine |
| 16:09.36 | yacoob | one of my first run ins with computing was making stars for the christmas tree out of my dad's programs saved on punch-tape |
| 16:10.14 | lcuk | omg yacoob, i hope he was finished with them - you could have setback software development by years |
| 16:10.35 | lcuk | on error goto top_of_christmas_tree |
| 16:10.51 | elekt | haha |
| 16:11.14 | dystopia | garage.maemo.org ssl certificate has been broken forever :/ |
| 16:11.35 | lcuk | back later |
| 16:11.40 | yacoob | yes, crucial code calculating zeroes of grade 2 polynomials was lost forever! |
| 16:11.45 | andrewfblack | dystopia I don't beleave you everything at maemo.org works fine :) |
| 16:12.02 | yacoob | luckily, civilisation is still standing, but the secrets of levitation, teleportation and orbital lasers is long lost. |
| 16:12.23 | jott | ....back in the days where you could replace a transistor with a welding apparatus. |
| 16:12.39 | dystopia | lol:p |
| 16:12.43 | elekt | sends zap yacoob command to his satellite |
| 16:12.48 | elekt | spoken too soon. |
| 16:13.36 | elekt | i tried to change an ide cable on a laptop once |
| 16:14.07 | elekt | sauter all over the pins |
| 16:14.40 | yacoob | ghaa! |
| 16:14.48 | elekt | never got a new mobo for it, i guess i should |
| 16:15.01 | Mek | bah... qemu is just too unpredictable... now I've got stuff that just sometimes fails, but when trying to debug it doesn't fail anymore :( |
| 16:15.02 | y_c_ob | look what you've done :( |
| 16:15.02 | elekt | crappy laptop design though, worst cooling ever |
| 16:15.23 | andrewfblack | elekt it must be a HP laptop |
| 16:15.29 | elekt | sony :( |
| 16:15.54 | andrewfblack | wow my old HP laptop ran so hot that it melted where the power plugs in |
| 16:16.08 | dystopia | Mek what qemu version |
| 16:16.16 | elekt | oh this one went stright for your testicles |
| 16:16.36 | andrewfblack | thank god HPs have a media dock thing on side that allows a second input for power |
| 16:17.09 | elekt | this one had really crappy airflow |
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| 16:17.17 | elekt | and it was a p4 |
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| 16:17.36 | elekt | nice screen though, that's why i tried to save it |
| 16:17.39 | Mek | dystopia: svn trunk (with some scratchbox patches) |
| 16:17.43 | andrewfblack | yeah mine is a full p4 in a laptop I used to have to put it in the frezzer to cool it down |
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| 16:17.57 | Mek | dystopia: it's the first version that actually is able to run everything I need sometimes... :) |
| 16:17.58 | elekt | haha |
| 16:19.32 | elekt | i've only mixed a fridge with computers a few days ago trying to rescu a file off a dropped hdd |
| 16:19.50 | elekt | i ended up not needing it anymore and the hd is still in there 4 days later |
| 16:20.02 | elekt | next to the pizzas |
| 16:20.12 | elekt | and the veggie dogs |
| 16:20.32 | andrewfblack | the fridge works great for cooling off a over heated laptop back in my Everquest days I had to do it all the time if I overheated durring a raid and needed to get back in game fast |
| 16:21.03 | andrewfblack | elekt thats your problem veggie dogs wont revive a hard drive you need turkey dogs |
| 16:21.08 | elekt | i just underclocked mine |
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| 16:21.23 | elekt | if it only were that simple |
| 16:22.23 | y_c_ob | hm... I should move everything from my palm to the tablet and see how it behaves there. |
| 16:22.24 | andrewfblack | well mine no longer as a screen, or alot of other parts. Basicly its the bottom of the laptop I use for a media storage/server |
| 16:22.33 | dystopia | Mek: except it sometimes quits running ;) |
| 16:23.02 | Mek | yeah, but that is still better than consequently not working at all :) |
| 16:23.32 | Italodance | agggggggggggggg |
| 16:24.04 | jott | Mek: have you tried using sbrsh? |
| 16:24.28 | Mek | no, haven't tried that... |
| 16:24.34 | Mek | won't that be slow? |
| 16:24.40 | jott | well.. |
| 16:25.00 | jott | depends on your host performance :) |
| 16:25.17 | jott | but at least the code is not run in an emulator. |
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| 16:26.45 | Khertan_n810 | Hi ! again |
| 16:27.08 | summatusmentis | hi |
| 16:27.09 | jott | Mek: oh, btw do your kde builds make use of vfp? otherwise it could get relatively slow on floating point operations due to conversion. (and plasma uses quite a lot fp stuff :) |
| 16:27.43 | jott | and as you fight with it so hard now it should be at least worth the effort ;) |
| 16:27.52 | Mek | hmm.. how do I enable vfp? :) |
| 16:28.41 | kulve | grep EXTRA /scratchbox/doc/variables.txt |
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| 16:29.32 | jott | Mek: see the mkspecs of qt :) |
| 16:29.42 | Mek | :) |
| 16:30.37 | jott | Mek: -pipe -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp -mcpu=arm1136j-s -mtune=arm1136j-s |
| 16:30.58 | jott | is used. (plus -Os) |
| 16:31.07 | Mek | ah, fun :) during linking or compiling (or both)? |
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| 16:31.16 | Mek | compiling I guess.. |
| 16:31.21 | jott | yep |
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| 16:37.10 | lardman | home time, cu all alter |
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| 16:37.13 | lardman | or later |
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| 16:39.53 | andrewfblack | later guys need some lunch |
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| 16:52.46 | konttori | qwerty12: Nokia makes the themes using a very similar tool though. And the templates are the same. |
| 16:53.08 | konttori | So, there is template for hendrika, echo and all other nokia themes. |
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| 16:53.19 | qwerty12 | k :) |
| 16:53.46 | konttori | And they are compatible with theme maker. |
| 16:53.59 | konttori | also the cut files that theme maker uses are the same ones nokia uses |
| 16:54.18 | konttori | (obviously only for the already released os versions) |
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| 17:01.25 | lcuk | konttori, thats just teasing us :P you aren't meant to mention the future :P |
| 17:02.16 | konttori | I wasn't? How come I forgot to mention that? Oh well, can't fix what's done. |
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| 17:03.05 | konttori | I have a feeling that there may be some announcements on the summit that may shed a bit of light on that area as well. |
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| 17:05.17 | lcuk | konttori, had that feeling for a while as well :P |
| 17:05.45 | lcuk | your theme maker looks cool :) |
| 17:05.57 | konttori | thanks. It's a nice small utility. |
| 17:05.57 | lcuk | when can we drop the need for photoshop type programs and actual dev themes on device? |
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| 17:06.13 | lcuk | all the best utilities are small |
| 17:06.22 | konttori | when you have photoshop quality image editor on the device. |
| 17:06.57 | lcuk | does it use multiple layers in the photoshop file? |
| 17:07.04 | lcuk | or is it just used as a single container? |
| 17:07.09 | johnx | lcuk, install gimp? |
| 17:07.10 | konttori | I really don't think a small screen is well suited for pixel editing work. Of course, if the device would be able to connect to a monitor and you would use a mouse, then that would be a whole different game. |
| 17:07.20 | konttori | yeah, gimp is good enough for the job. |
| 17:07.21 | lcuk | not really usable though jott |
| 17:07.39 | konttori | also inkscape is what some of nokia themers actually use (those who don't use adobe illustrator) |
| 17:07.59 | lcuk | konttori, the screen is fine, theres a modern technology invented called zoom :P |
| 17:08.14 | konttori | :) |
| 17:08.28 | lcuk | but touch is the perfect medium for art :) |
| 17:13.21 | Anunakin | ;) |
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| 17:17.55 | Khertan_n810 | hi again ... |
| 17:18.35 | Khertan_n810 | what do you think of something like this : http://khertan.net/poubelle/screenshot31.png |
| 17:18.45 | Khertan_n810 | of course with other colors :) |
| 17:19.52 | BULLE | Khertan_n810: all i get is a text only blog |
| 17:20.03 | johnx | same here |
| 17:20.04 | Khertan_n810 | hum |
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| 17:23.00 | jott | very pragmatic and functional indeed :) |
| 17:23.22 | Khertan_n810 | arg stupid maemoftp |
| 17:23.24 | Khertan_n810 | http://khertan.net/screenshots/screenshot31.png |
| 17:23.35 | Khertan_n810 | uploaded in the wrong folder |
| 17:24.56 | Khertan_n810 | the old url should work now |
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| 17:25.00 | Khertan_n810 | what do you think of something like this : http://khertan.net/poubelle/screenshot31.png |
| 17:25.01 | johnx | yeah, that looks good I think |
| 17:25.04 | jott | i would use other colors. *scnr* :) |
| 17:25.20 | johnx | how will month view and week view look |
| 17:25.20 | Khertan_n810 | this is just test color |
| 17:25.21 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 17:25.25 | johnx | those are the ones I use the most |
| 17:25.34 | Khertan_n810 | this is a month view |
| 17:25.44 | johnx | aaah... |
| 17:25.46 | jott | oh. |
| 17:25.52 | johnx | I probably couldn't use it |
| 17:25.56 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 17:26.09 | johnx | everyone has a different style :) |
| 17:26.09 | Khertan_n810 | you prefer something like gpe ? |
| 17:26.10 | jott | isn't a month view that you actually see the whole month? :) |
| 17:26.26 | jott | that's more of a "summary view" |
| 17:26.38 | Khertan_n810 | hum ... |
| 17:26.51 | johnx | I need to see my events for a week or month at the same time "Oh, I have next friday free, but not saturday" |
| 17:26.57 | Khertan_n810 | summary for the month so |
| 17:27.33 | johnx | google calendar works well for me, for example |
| 17:27.49 | Khertan_n810 | yep but not me :) |
| 17:28.01 | johnx | right, so if this works for you, you should do it :) |
| 17:28.04 | Khertan_n810 | i ll try to do something like that |
| 17:28.18 | Khertan_n810 | for content the most of user |
| 17:28.30 | Khertan_n810 | but not really easy to do with gtk |
| 17:28.37 | Khertan_n810 | maybe you have an idea ? |
| 17:29.19 | johnx | I'm pretty useless with GUI programming, but the way that dates handles it seemed nice |
| 17:29.38 | Khertan_n810 | hum ? really ? |
| 17:29.46 | Khertan_n810 | you found that usefull ? |
| 17:30.02 | johnx | I liked the week view in dates |
| 17:30.10 | Khertan_n810 | (i ask as i found that useless but it s a point of view) |
| 17:30.14 | johnx | the part I didn't like is that it wouldn't grab from google |
| 17:30.21 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 17:30.46 | Khertan_n810 | my first idea was to modify ermining to sync date with google |
| 17:30.55 | Khertan_n810 | but as they use this nthing nammed eds |
| 17:31.11 | Khertan_n810 | i ve decided to do my own calendar |
| 17:31.44 | johnx | dates looks like it hasn't been touched in quite a while... |
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| 17:32.11 | johnx | I think we have two different usage scenarios |
| 17:32.21 | johnx | what do you use the calendar for, Khertan_n810 ? |
| 17:32.54 | Khertan_n810 | mainly ... for my personnal thing to do ... |
| 17:33.14 | Khertan_n810 | and important 'reunion' at work |
| 17:33.43 | Khertan_n810 | as their is an alarm :) i never miss a call conf |
| 17:33.47 | johnx | aaah, mainly for todos then? I have my appointments for the whole month and so I use it to plan out which days I have free |
| 17:33.52 | Khertan_n810 | s/their/there |
| 17:34.10 | sp3000 | expects 'free' to be a toggle |
| 17:34.13 | Khertan_n810 | i would mean appointments |
| 17:34.25 | Khertan_n810 | sp3000: ? |
| 17:34.39 | sp3000 | hasn't really used the thing enough to be sure if he understands it though :) |
| 17:34.40 | johnx | Khertan_n810, well, yes, but mainly for the current day, right? |
| 17:34.57 | Khertan_n810 | mainly for the week |
| 17:35.13 | Khertan_n810 | but not for the month like you |
| 17:35.22 | Khertan_n810 | so i understand you |
| 17:36.03 | Khertan_n810 | but my main problem of the month view is how to do itnreadable on such small screen |
| 17:36.25 | jott | Khertan_n810: http://debain.org/?p=214 |
| 17:36.29 | sp3000 | wonders how he ended up in year 9999 |
| 17:36.37 | jott | maybe you can rip something from that one |
| 17:37.12 | johnx | maybe use color blocks like dates or gpe uses? then just show info on tap? |
| 17:38.35 | johnx | loves using other people's fast inet connections :) |
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| 17:39.30 | jott | Khertan_n810: http://debain.org/?p=214 not sure you got this |
| 17:39.31 | sp3000 | oh so you're the peer that reset khertan's connection |
| 17:39.32 | Khertan_n810 | sorry connection drop |
| 17:39.48 | sp3000 | Khertan_n810: ah, canceling the datepicker goes 9999 |
| 17:39.51 | Khertan_n810 | haven t got it |
| 17:41.06 | johnx | and I said "just use a similar month view to dates or gpe calendar and provide more info when the user taps an appointment" |
| 17:41.15 | Khertan_n810 | sp3000: :) |
| 17:41.48 | Khertan_n810 | sp3000: corrected on 0.4.1 (not available yet) |
| 17:42.15 | Khertan_n810 | johnx ... hum imagine this on the small screen of the nit |
| 17:43.10 | Khertan_n810 | johnx: i ll take a look |
| 17:43.17 | jott | Khertan_n810: well the dpi is high enough :) |
| 17:43.37 | johnx | give dates a try. There's not much functionality, but it's a nice UI mockup :D |
| 17:43.58 | crashanddie | is back from interview |
| 17:44.00 | jott | maybe intel pushes it :) |
| 17:44.06 | Khertan_n810 | jott: the dpi of the screen not the one of my eyes |
| 17:44.26 | johnx | also, screen dpi doesn't make my thumbs smaller |
| 17:44.30 | Khertan_n810 | johnx: i used date before mcalendar :) |
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| 17:44.38 | jott | well for an overview it's fair enough. |
| 17:44.53 | Khertan_n810 | right: for an overview |
| 17:44.59 | johnx | Khertan_n810, for the day view your method is just fine |
| 17:45.26 | jott | and a typical use case for a calendar is to get an overview :) |
| 17:45.34 | Khertan_n810 | johnx: i ll make some try to do a ui like date |
| 17:45.46 | Khertan_n810 | but i can t promise it will be usefull :) |
| 17:45.59 | Khertan_n810 | jott: hum ... right |
| 17:46.53 | liri | Khertan_n810: take for example the HTC devices, the screen is MUCH smaller than on our tablets, maybe half size, and yet it's showing the calendar in monthly view just fine |
| 17:47.01 | jott | well maybe look at this goocalendar thingy. it seems to be written in python and already provides some sort of month view/timeline view. |
| 17:47.24 | Khertan_n810 | jott: i m extracting the source |
| 17:47.30 | jott | judging from the short video so to speak :) |
| 17:47.37 | liri | Khertan_n810: I guess it's a matter of using fonts and designing the GUI correctly. for example that vertical scroll bar on the right is way too big, and the buttons can be reduced to smaller icons too |
| 17:47.42 | liri | Khertan_n810: just my thoughts |
| 17:47.43 | jott | (just popped up from a google search) |
| 17:48.10 | johnx | liri, Khertan_n810 is going for thumb friendly I think |
| 17:48.42 | Khertan_n810 | liri: i don t think ... |
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| 17:48.59 | Khertan_n810 | a calendar could be use only with thumb for me |
| 17:49.04 | liri | I'm just making a point that there is enough room to display a monthly view |
| 17:49.19 | johnx | everyone wants something different :) |
| 17:49.24 | liri | oh here's a VERY good suggestion |
| 17:49.28 | Khertan_n810 | johnx: yep |
| 17:49.31 | johnx | Khertan_n810, you should do whatever makes you happy :) |
| 17:49.38 | liri | Khertan_n810: I think I have a good suggestion that will work out |
| 17:49.48 | Khertan_n810 | hum ... so i stop the dev |
| 17:49.56 | Khertan_n810 | i m happy with it |
| 17:49.56 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 17:50.19 | Khertan_n810 | i want to do the best calendar for maemo |
| 17:50.26 | jott | but you don't need a scroll bar for finger friendliness :) |
| 17:50.32 | Khertan_n810 | so i should take care of user point of view |
| 17:50.34 | jott | kinetic scrolling ftw :P |
| 17:50.38 | liri | Khertan_n810: ok so I guess we'll have to wait for the next version |
| 17:50.54 | Khertan_n810 | jott ... and how do you clic with kinetic |
| 17:51.00 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 17:51.04 | jott | tap |
| 17:51.07 | Khertan_n810 | hate kinetic |
| 17:51.11 | johnx | my opinion on scrollbar size: since it can be set in the theme, I think apps should just use small scrollbars |
| 17:51.16 | jott | it's not that it is an unsolved problem. |
| 17:51.22 | jott | just that many implementations suck ;) |
| 17:51.34 | Khertan_n810 | johnx: hum theme really ? |
| 17:51.52 | johnx | Khertan_n810, yup :) |
| 17:51.56 | jott | if the app respects the theme :p |
| 17:52.07 | johnx | jott, i haven't found one that didn't |
| 17:52.24 | johnx | jott, it's the way the gtk widget is drawn, not much the app can do about it... |
| 17:52.25 | jott | i think the iphone does it fairly well. |
| 17:52.48 | johnx | here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17678 |
| 17:52.55 | johnx | the theme is called echowb |
| 17:53.00 | jott | johnx: sure, just manually set the width. |
| 17:53.00 | johnx | first thing I install after a flash |
| 17:53.47 | jott | those nokia thumb things are just named widgets. |
| 17:54.02 | johnx | jott, right, so with small scrollbars all of the "it wastes space" people are happy, and the rest of us can just use a theme with wide scrollbars |
| 17:54.07 | jott | but you can change the default value :) |
| 17:54.42 | jott | still if an app messes with it, your theme settings are worthless :P |
| 17:55.08 | johnx | I have never seen any app able to mess with it *shrugs* |
| 17:55.25 | jott | it usually makes no sense ... |
| 17:56.26 | johnx | if any app messes with scrollbar size a polite "please don't do that" to the author of the app should fix it :) |
| 17:56.40 | jott | hopefully. |
| 17:56.51 | johnx | anyways, it's hypothetical |
| 17:56.56 | johnx | even firefox plays nice |
| 17:56.57 | Khertan_n810 | johnx: there isn't any theme with large scrollbar |
| 17:56.57 | Khertan_n810 | hildon.hildon_helper_set_thumb_scrollbar(self.wTree.get_widget("scrolledwindow3"),True) |
| 17:56.58 | Khertan_n810 | any theme set this |
| 17:57.06 | Khertan_n810 | goocalendar use a module nammed goocanvas |
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| 17:57.36 | johnx | Khertan_n810, hmm? uhm, no. I'm using a theme that makes all scrollbars wider. |
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| 17:57.57 | johnx | did you look at the thread I linked? |
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| 18:00.27 | Khertan_n810 | it s loading |
| 18:00.47 | johnx | I can link to the post with the screenshot directly if you want |
| 18:02.02 | Khertan_n810 | i got it |
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| 18:02.50 | Khertan_n810 | but i like the thumb style for something like mcalendar |
| 18:03.03 | Khertan_n810 | but i don t want it for the browser |
| 18:03.06 | Khertan_n810 | how i do ? |
| 18:03.32 | johnx | nevermind then |
| 18:03.54 | johnx | I wonder if there's a way to do something tricky with their startup scripts to make them look at different gtkrc files... |
| 18:04.05 | johnx | it would be a hack though |
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| 18:05.59 | gregorovius | does anyone else find using fingers on the nit's screen not comfortable? even if i've just washed my hands, scrolling or dragging my finger feels like there's way too much friction |
| 18:06.15 | johnx | I use my fingernails mostly |
| 18:07.09 | gregorovius | I don't have a screen protector... do you? doesn't it scratch your screen? |
| 18:07.20 | johnx | fingernails? no I don't think so |
| 18:07.33 | johnx | I think a plastic stylus would be harder |
| 18:07.43 | johnx | just don't sharpen your fingernails :) |
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| 18:08.07 | johnx | honestly though, I don't care that much about cosmetic scratches |
| 18:08.25 | johnx | my N800 does not exist to look pretty: it exists to be useful |
| 18:08.34 | gregorovius | the stylus is a bit round-pointed |
| 18:08.36 | gregorovius | oh, I agree |
| 18:08.51 | gregorovius | scratches bother me because then it's harder to see what's below |
| 18:09.15 | johnx | I've been poking at it with my fingernails for over a year now (since march 2007) with no terribly ill effects |
| 18:10.04 | johnx | I bought a floor model from a compUSA liquidation sale...I never had a stylus or manual or carrying case |
| 18:10.17 | andrewfblack | I have a chunk missing in my screen and I can still see whats behind it when its lit up bright |
| 18:10.36 | XTL | I think I also tap with nails, but not drag |
| 18:10.58 | XTL | Things like tediously turn sound on/off, set presence or pick networks |
| 18:10.58 | johnx | I tend to tap with my thumb and drag with my nails |
| 18:11.01 | gregorovius | I tap with nails all the time, but dragging feels too scratchy |
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| 18:11.44 | gregorovius | i've never used an iphone, is the screen 'smoother', so to speak? |
| 18:11.47 | johnx | XTL, just a note, you can open the volume control and tap d-pad center to mute |
| 18:12.03 | johnx | gregorovius, yup. it's glass not plastic |
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| 18:12.12 | johnx | designed for thumbs vs designed for stylus |
| 18:12.33 | gregorovius | ah, no wonder, I was thinking it'd be extremely uncomfortable if it were like this |
| 18:12.57 | gregorovius | i'd like something like a teflon screen protector :) |
| 18:13.13 | johnx | do they make it transparent? |
| 18:13.19 | Mek | in fact due to the different technology of ytouchscreen a stylus doesn't even work on an iPhone |
| 18:14.15 | Khertan_n810 | bye |
| 18:14.28 | johnx | bye Khertan_n810. good talking to you :) |
| 18:14.35 | gregorovius | no idea |
| 18:14.58 | gregorovius | maybe I just don't understand why canola and a whole bunch of apps are aiming to be finger-friendly |
| 18:15.04 | Khertan_n810 | good talking to you too |
| 18:15.15 | gregorovius | i mean, if you're going to use your fingernail, then you don't really need a wide-ass scrollbar |
| 18:16.06 | johnx | gregorovius, err...i prefer wide scrollbars |
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| 19:05.12 | konttori | gregorovius: You are quite right that the friction is not comfortable |
| 19:06.25 | konttori | The n810 screen is really optimal for fingernail/pen usage |
| 19:06.37 | lcuk | the biggest problem with scrollbars big or small is having to aim - if its a scrollbar it should be against the gutter so your finger/thumb/stylus can use it easily |
| 19:08.22 | Mek | hmm... do I think it is worth 250 euros for me to come to a day-and-a-half of the maemo summit... |
| 19:09.07 | lcuk | mek, if you have a better use for 250 euros then no, but if you believe it will be a worthwhile experience then yes |
| 19:09.29 | gregorovius | I wonder if there's a screen cover with a glass-like feel |
| 19:09.52 | lcuk | my screen is losing sensitivity |
| 19:10.11 | lcuk | it does not respond any more to finger on the left hand side - still works with stylus all over though for now |
| 19:10.16 | lcuk | is going blind |
| 19:10.17 | Mek | if I had thought about this earlier I might have been albe to do a kde-on-maemo lightning talk... |
| 19:11.49 | Jaffa | Mek: have it there anyway; would be cool to see |
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| 19:13.26 | Mek | hmm.. why is the "Job title" field required in the registration form... are unemployed people not welcome? :P |
| 19:13.36 | lcuk | just say hobby :) |
| 19:13.51 | lcuk | its for people who are coming in a work capacity |
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| 19:15.47 | lcuk | theres nothing wrong if my software is still a work in progress is there |
| 19:15.55 | lardman | may I curse? |
| 19:16.01 | lcuk | please do |
| 19:16.07 | lardman | ~curse dsp programming |
| 19:16.08 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, dsp programming ! |
| 19:16.14 | lardman | ah, much better :) |
| 19:16.44 | lcuk | thats not cursing - the dsp is wrong about so many things |
| 19:16.51 | lcuk | let it all out |
| 19:17.07 | lardman | true |
| 19:17.17 | lardman | no, I don't want to offend it, nearly got mp3 decoding working |
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| 19:17.47 | johnx | lardman, you wrote your own mp3 decoder? O_o |
| 19:17.54 | lcuk | sounds like me, ive got a whole backlog of modules needing my love and limited time to do it, just got back from the hospital and not sure how much will get finished |
| 19:18.08 | lardman | nah, code was mainly from someone else, I'm just tweaking to get it to work with dspgateway |
| 19:19.08 | summatusmentis | how usable is the a2dp stuff? |
| 19:19.09 | lcuk | i got png image loading working last night (after a ding from derf) and because of that had to incorporate and finalise the alpha blending code.. :) glad its done, but sidetracked me from creating the ui objects |
| 19:19.15 | ToyKeeper | johnx: Fitaly works, though it still needs some tweaking... http://toykeeper.net/tmp/keyboard-fitaly.xml |
| 19:19.21 | ToyKeeper | johnx: http://toykeeper.net/tmp/maemo-fitaly-2.png |
| 19:19.34 | lardman | summatusmentis: works afaik, if not, please let me know ;) |
| 19:20.00 | lardman | lcuk: sidetracking, story of my life |
| 19:20.12 | t_s_o | hmm, app manager just sits there at half bar with the cpu idle when doing a update... |
| 19:20.14 | summatusmentis | lardman: I'll have to do that some time |
| 19:20.35 | lcuk | yer lard, and it looks like i wil b away from computer for quite a bit in the next few days :( |
| 19:20.43 | lcuk | got a poorly older family member |
| 19:20.45 | lardman | summatusmentis: Once I get this mp3 code working, I plan to move the entire mp3->sbc pipeline to the DSP side |
| 19:20.57 | lardman | lcuk: sorry to hear that |
| 19:21.18 | lardman | summatusmentis: which will hopefully make it suitable for video soundtracks too |
| 19:21.28 | lcuk | so are we, thankfully she is having a better day today, but well |
| 19:21.32 | lardman | assuming they;re mp3 ;) |
| 19:22.14 | lcuk | does anyone have any ideas/suggestions/solutions about a fixed cam and stand for presenting using the live nokia sat on a base? |
| 19:22.22 | summatusmentis | lardman: that'd be exciting. Is it only mp3 now? |
| 19:22.53 | lcuk | jott, are you around? |
| 19:23.12 | jott | looks around |
| 19:23.15 | jott | oooh |
| 19:23.23 | jott | what's up? |
| 19:23.46 | lcuk | my previous comment - any ideas (im thinking of you because you have no travelling to do before the summit |
| 19:24.23 | lcuk | although you will have your hands full with rm_you :D |
| 19:24.27 | jott | hmm. well i guess most newer cameras will do fine. |
| 19:24.48 | jott | i guess the only problem is, to find a proper way to fix it. |
| 19:25.10 | lcuk | http://www.chromacolour.com/store/digital_animation_ca.htm |
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| 19:25.16 | lardman | summatusmentis: the sbc encoder? Anything that can be decoded on the ARM and sent to ALSA output can be encoded |
| 19:25.28 | lcuk | thats the sort of thing im thinking, but obviously if we can rig something up ourselves it would suffice |
| 19:25.39 | jott | lcuk: yes something like this would so it. but it's a bit of a short time frame to get it i guess :/ |
| 19:25.53 | lardman | summatusmentis: however, if you try this with e.g. mp3, video drops to <1fps - some sort of memory contention is my theory |
| 19:25.54 | lcuk | yes jott, we need to see if anyone has one |
| 19:26.16 | lcuk | even a flexy holder thing - or an old adjustable lamp with duct tape would do ;) |
| 19:26.26 | summatusmentis | lardman: oh, I see |
| 19:26.31 | jott | duct tape hehe :) |
| 19:26.55 | jott | what would macgyver do? |
| 19:27.28 | jott | not sure if the c-base folk may have something to improvise.... |
| 19:28.00 | lcuk | i asked on the ML but didnt get much of a reaction, but i think it would help and save the hassle we had at ltag |
| 19:28.12 | lcuk | if no machine handy it can just be show and tell in a better way |
| 19:28.29 | lcuk | barring that, could we get a mega fresnel lens |
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| 19:28.37 | jott | yes. well at least for the people relying on showing the work on the actual device :) |
| 19:29.27 | lcuk | it helps if you can see it first hand, obviously having short movie clips will work but its not quite the same and vnc isnt either |
| 19:29.34 | jott | ~seen housetier |
| 19:29.37 | infobot | housetier <n=housetie@unaffiliated/housetier> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 19d 23h 43m 51s ago, saying: 'we should have had quim find out the coordinates when he was here'. |
| 19:29.42 | lcuk | the other problem with people expecting vnc would be wifi bandwidth |
| 19:30.06 | lcuk | ~seen jamiebennet |
| 19:30.06 | infobot | lcuk: i haven't seen 'jamiebennet' |
| 19:30.07 | lcuk | ~seen jamiebennett |
| 19:30.08 | infobot | jamiebennett <n=jamie@host217-34-38-3.in-addr.btopenworld.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 7d 5h 31m 33s ago, saying: 'GAN8001: I'm a little disappointed that more didn't put themselves forward :('. |
| 19:30.16 | jott | well usb network :) |
| 19:30.20 | lcuk | damn him for being so ircphobic |
| 19:30.50 | jott | ~seen __t |
| 19:30.51 | infobot | __t <n=t@echelon.ext.c-base.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 4d 22h 16m 3s ago, saying: 'who can do this?'. |
| 19:30.56 | jott | mh.. |
| 19:31.11 | lcuk | does anyone have one of these they can bring to the summit? http://www.amazon.co.uk/Joby-GP1-01P-Gorillapod/dp/B000EVSLRO/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1220988639&sr=1-3 |
| 19:31.35 | jott | i have a smaller one .. |
| 19:31.54 | lcuk | can it grip onto any sideways surface (like a handy mic stand?) |
| 19:32.22 | jott | not really. it's *really* cheapo :) |
| 19:32.25 | jott | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.1309 |
| 19:32.26 | jott | :) |
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| 19:33.23 | lcuk | that would do: that at least has the proper camera base, some form of adhesive tape would do the rest (if someone would invent such a thing) |
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| 19:34.05 | lcuk | now all we need is a camera that works in webcam mode and a laptop to work it from |
| 19:34.16 | lcuk | where are all the nokians when we need them ;) |
| 19:34.34 | lardman_ | Well I;ve got a crappy webcam you could use, not sure it;'s Linux-proof though |
| 19:34.50 | derf | Just stream it all from an NIT and tell them to like it. |
| 19:35.24 | lcuk | derf, it wont look good |
| 19:35.34 | lcuk | im expecting wifi to be useless |
| 19:35.54 | lcuk | others may not though |
| 19:36.17 | derf | lcuk: That's why you have to tell them to like it. |
| 19:36.54 | lcuk | but if their presentation doesnt go well it leaves everyone uncomfortable, just trying to help remove the problem by having a backup plan :) |
| 19:36.57 | jott | hehe "use your imagination, dudes!" |
| 19:37.09 | lcuk | unfortunately remembers pupnik (and myself) |
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| 19:38.33 | jott | hey housetier :) |
| 19:38.39 | housetier | hello |
| 19:39.01 | keesj | blames web standards for not being able to create a t-shirt with the hash sign "#" |
| 19:39.33 | lcuk | oh yer, tshirt time |
| 19:39.35 | housetier | yesterday __t told me about the camera "problem". my idea was to hang it from the ceiling, so it won't be in the way of the audience and still close enough to the speaker |
| 19:39.43 | lcuk | sends missus out on a mission |
| 19:40.10 | keesj | I wanted #maemo with lcuk . Jaffa Lardman pupnik etc |
| 19:40.11 | lcuk | :D spider-pig can fit it |
| 19:40.19 | housetier | however, the camera won't be very mobile then... |
| 19:40.29 | jott | housetier: the important part is, that it captures the small nokia screen. |
| 19:40.49 | lcuk | keesj :) nice idea, find a better more standards compliant tshirt printer |
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| 19:41.29 | housetier | I guess the device will sit on a table? |
| 19:41.31 | lcuk | housetier, we are only thinking a small handheld digi cam pre setup to correct height to show off |
| 19:41.34 | lcuk | yer |
| 19:41.56 | lcuk | this is the very expensive ideal variant |
| 19:41.57 | lcuk | http://www.chromacolour.com/store/digital_animation_ca.htm |
| 19:41.58 | housetier | the cam will just record, right? |
| 19:42.16 | lcuk | no, live feed into laptop and onto projector |
| 19:42.21 | Mek | lcuk: don't they already have such a thing perhaps? |
| 19:42.25 | lcuk | so everyone can see |
| 19:42.38 | lcuk | mek, i dunno - i tried looking but didnt see any info |
| 19:43.05 | housetier | so "our job" would be to set up the hardware, but not rent anything right? |
| 19:43.31 | lcuk | well im just asking whether people have it or how we can set it up |
| 19:43.46 | jott | there was no real reaction from "official" side. |
| 19:44.06 | jott | and lcuk really needs such a setup (and others would probably like it too) |
| 19:44.42 | lcuk | i suppose i could create a streaming video server in time, but i would have to stop what im doing here |
| 19:44.48 | jott | most parts are technical details. |
| 19:45.10 | housetier | now tell me what you need from us |
| 19:45.24 | lcuk | housetier, are you c-base or nokia or just a bod? |
| 19:45.31 | jott | c-base. |
| 19:45.38 | housetier | I am the event manager for c-base |
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| 19:45.55 | lcuk | ahh cool :) hi there. |
| 19:47.08 | jott | i think something to fix the/a camera and get the feed to the projector (probably a webcam would do the job and would allow to use existing computers attached to the projector) |
| 19:47.12 | lcuk | the problem is that i want to show my software running directly on my nokia handheld. i am aware theres a projector but we are expected to bring our own laptops for presentation, i need an overhead camera to display whats in front of me on the big screen |
| 19:47.47 | lcuk | it would be better obviously if the camera and laptop were there and available for anyone to use during the day |
| 19:48.01 | lcuk | so they can present their software to everyone without having to crowd around a 4inch screen |
| 19:48.47 | jott | imagines 200 people looking at a single n810 screen :) |
| 19:48.51 | lcuk | an extreme example of requirements: EXTREME |
| 19:48.54 | lcuk | dman |
| 19:48.57 | lcuk | http://animanatee.com/uploaded_images/stopmosetup-725705.jpg |
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| 19:49.18 | lcuk | anything from a ballcam in same location up would be ideal |
| 19:49.26 | housetier | we do not have spare laptops, we considered setting up pcs with standard software. so only the speaker would change but not the hardware |
| 19:49.35 | keesj | I do have great webcam |
| 19:49.36 | keesj | Logitech QuickCam Pro 9000 |
| 19:49.40 | housetier | ok now do you need the camera stand? |
| 19:50.15 | lcuk | if you have one on site already which could view our devices, yes that would be great |
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| 19:51.04 | housetier | yeah I don't think we will spend 999 USD on that kind of hardware |
| 19:51.19 | lcuk | no, certainly not expecting anything like that - it was the principle |
| 19:51.23 | housetier | so we will make do with what we have got |
| 19:51.59 | lcuk | jott has a flexi tripod that i am sure we could duct tape to a mic stand on the day if needbe |
| 19:52.04 | housetier | that means we need to get an extra feed into the projector |
| 19:52.10 | lcuk | keesj, are you arriving the night before? |
| 19:52.30 | lcuk | it could be a choice by the speaker and just switch as they come up |
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| 19:53.01 | keesj | lcuk: I have not planned yet |
| 19:53.27 | lcuk | cos obviously it would be better to have it tested before the day |
| 19:53.32 | keesj | :P |
| 19:53.33 | lcuk | ill see if i can pilfer a webcam |
| 19:53.49 | lcuk | crap, crappy children brb |
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| 19:54.35 | keesj | perhaps it's better if you don't count on me. I will pull a double-lardman on you (bringing kids + GF) |
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| 19:54.56 | lardman | :) |
| 19:55.12 | lardman | No kids yet and gf/fiance is staying home for this one |
| 19:55.26 | lardman | fiancee |
| 19:55.40 | lardman | got to be careful, people might get the wrong idea |
| 19:55.44 | housetier | good, I'll see that we can set up a camera on a stand and have its feed go into the projector if the speaker wants. i cannot promise anything at this state, i am only a "manager" not a technician :) |
| 19:56.27 | jott | housetier: great. thanks for the effort and time :) |
| 19:57.24 | lcuk | housetier, thank you :) i will also try to arrange something as a backup backup |
| 19:57.42 | jott | the so called plan b :) |
| 19:57.50 | lcuk | jott, could you bring your tripod with you on the day or ill meet you day before or something |
| 19:58.02 | lcuk | plan c, i already have movies |
| 19:58.09 | jott | yes, should be possible. |
| 19:58.16 | lcuk | my camera however doesnt work as a webcam |
| 19:58.28 | jott | i guess there are quite some folks at c-base the day before?! :) |
| 19:58.43 | lcuk | is that an unofficial meeting point? |
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| 19:59.49 | jott | well it's regularly open i suppose... |
| 20:01.34 | lcuk | ok, i best get on, i dont know how much more time im gonna get |
| 20:02.01 | lcuk | thanks jott |
| 20:02.34 | housetier | c-base is open every day :) |
| 20:02.59 | housetier | we will be extremely busy on thursday, and probably wednesday before the summit! |
| 20:03.51 | lcuk | i bet you will, hope it goes smoothly from your side |
| 20:04.12 | housetier | it has to :D |
| 20:04.22 | lcuk | yes, quite :) |
| 20:04.31 | housetier | people are doing their best |
| 20:04.55 | lcuk | yer, its gonna be great |
| 20:05.07 | lcuk | thanks for popping by, ill cyas all later |
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| 20:09.53 | elekt | just got an aspire one |
| 20:09.58 | elekt | it's so cute! |
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| 20:22.49 | RST38h | Anybody has libhildonfm.so.2 ? |
| 20:22.52 | RST38h | and what version? |
| 20:23.04 | crashanddie | btw guys |
| 20:23.09 | crashanddie | I was interviewed for a job today |
| 20:23.17 | crashanddie | anyone care to know the name of the guy? |
| 20:23.23 | crashanddie | you're never going to build this |
| 20:23.33 | ToyKeeper | ... build? :) |
| 20:23.45 | crashanddie | yeah, it's not gonna compile |
| 20:23.51 | crashanddie | your brain is going to throw errors |
| 20:24.03 | ToyKeeper | readies his mental parser |
| 20:24.10 | gregorovius | segfaults |
| 20:24.14 | crashanddie | (I was thinking about working on a project, which is why I switched building and believing) |
| 20:24.30 | crashanddie | He's called Hildon |
| 20:24.40 | ToyKeeper | Heh, yeah. I was gonna say... someone's got makefiles on the brain. :) |
| 20:25.10 | ToyKeeper | What does hildon actually mean? |
| 20:25.17 | andrewfblack | elekt I just released the first publuc version of the Linux Mint theme if you want to look at it still got some more to go on it |
| 20:25.22 | ToyKeeper | I never heard of it until I used maemo. |
| 20:25.53 | elekt | i'm tied up atm, i'd love to see a screenshot, updated your blog yet? |
| 20:26.52 | RST38h | anybody willing to help me resolve a little versioning problem? |
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| 20:27.12 | andrewfblack | I'm going to post a few screen shots tonight when I get home |
| 20:27.29 | elekt | i'll check it out tonight |
| 20:27.33 | andrewfblack | cool |
| 20:27.35 | elekt | sorry, busy day, my gf's 30th |
| 20:27.46 | elekt | and i got her this little laptop i'm setting up for her |
| 20:27.53 | andrewfblack | don't remind her lol |
| 20:28.03 | elekt | she's not that girly |
| 20:28.10 | elekt | or old |
| 20:28.36 | andrewfblack | my wife isn't girly but she hated it when she tured 30 and I kept reminding her I was still in my 20s come to think about it I still do it now that she's 31 |
| 20:28.59 | elekt | hehe |
| 20:29.07 | mavhc | never ask a women her age, because they suck at maths |
| 20:29.47 | pusling | ...is there a way I can make maemo mapper autosave tracks every X minutes ? |
| 20:30.20 | elekt | yeah andrewfblack maybe i'm speaking too soon, the day's not over yet |
| 20:30.24 | derf | It already autosaves the track. It's stored in a database. |
| 20:30.29 | andrewfblack | I havn't been able to decided what netbook I want yet |
| 20:31.10 | Veggen | I ordered a new EeePC 901... |
| 20:31.18 | Veggen | but am sort of undecided too. |
| 20:31.31 | pusling | derf: I lost my track when it ran out of power. |
| 20:31.40 | Veggen | I think I don't like the "bloat" that seem to happen with the newer models, though :) |
| 20:31.49 | mavhc | only problem with the 901 is the price |
| 20:31.58 | derf | Are you running a really old version? |
| 20:32.00 | andrewfblack | 901 droped today |
| 20:32.01 | mavhc | it's reaching real laptop prices |
| 20:32.18 | elekt | this acer aspire one is so cute |
| 20:32.21 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: I have no idea how you got that number :/. the latest one in the update repo is 1:2.0.5. Like I said on ITT, I had to change the dependencies line to get it to install and the file open dialog was fine. |
| 20:32.22 | andrewfblack | several of the Eee Pcs droped in price today |
| 20:32.25 | elekt | it's the win xp version |
| 20:32.27 | pusling | derf: the version I downloaded from maemo mapper homepage like a week ago |
| 20:32.36 | elekt | $349 |
| 20:32.42 | derf | That's not really old. |
| 20:33.04 | andrewfblack | When I first heard of the dell one I was so happy until I saw the stats and the price you are just buying the neme with that one |
| 20:33.12 | mavhc | I'm an idiot, I recorded all these gps traces whilst on holiday for geotagging my photos, then didn't back them up, then the n810 went into infinite crash mode and I had to reflash, sigh |
| 20:33.13 | Veggen | We'll see. Probably I can cancel/reorder before it ships end of month. Norwegian 901 will arrive end of month, they say. |
| 20:33.19 | pusling | I also wouldn't describe it that way ;) |
| 20:34.04 | Mek | pusling: compared to debian not much is really old :P |
| 20:34.44 | pusling | Mek: the maemo debian toolchain ;) |
| 20:34.47 | RST38h | qwerty: question: where do I find a place from which deb packager takes these versions? |
| 20:34.51 | Mek | yeah, true :) |
| 20:36.06 | pusling | Mek: have you by the way tried merkaartor svn on maemo yet ? ;) |
| 20:36.13 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: Do you mean where the version numbers get taken for the produced deb? |
| 20:37.57 | Mek | pusling: no, never heard of it before |
| 20:38.51 | pusling | Mek: okay. I'm at least curious ;) |
| 20:39.46 | jott | pusling: i tried it. |
| 20:39.55 | jott | some weeks ago at least. |
| 20:39.58 | jott | works quite ok. |
| 20:40.07 | pusling | nice. |
| 20:40.24 | pusling | maemo mapper can't do edits at least as far as I can see. |
| 20:40.29 | jott | the stylus is a bit imprecise though.. |
| 20:40.49 | jott | maemo mapper just shows bitmap tilemaps... |
| 20:41.06 | RST38h | qwerty: yes |
| 20:41.25 | RST38h | qwerty: because if I don't find the place I will have to downgrade bootstrap to chinook =( |
| 20:41.27 | jott | with merkaartor you get the raw osm data :) |
| 20:41.44 | Mek | so, just booked my hotel for the maemo summit... I guess I'll be coming for a day-and-a-half (arriving friday during lunch :) ) |
| 20:41.55 | pusling | jott: but then I can fine tune when I get back. I at least haven't found the nice way with maemo mapper to mark postboxs, banks and stuff. |
| 20:41.58 | jott | Mek: nice. |
| 20:42.08 | pusling | jott: and by raw osm data, I get uptodate maps and not week old maps ;) |
| 20:42.13 | jott | pusling: yep. |
| 20:42.27 | jott | it's a straight forward compile. |
| 20:42.48 | jott | just disable most of the widgets and you'll be fine. |
| 20:43.16 | jott | http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/9837/merkaartorvq8.png screenshot from a few weeks ago. |
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| 20:44.17 | jott | (by disable i mean tick off the dock widgets - a single one is just fine :) |
| 20:44.25 | pusling | yeah. |
| 20:44.28 | pusling | looks quite usable |
| 20:44.36 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: I would guess from dpkg's /var/lib/dpkg/status file, you could edit and rebuild deb. But that is dirty, instead you can either svn export https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/tags/hildon-fm/1_2.0.6.1/ and dpkg-buildpackage or (what sounds better to me) downgrade to the version that comes with diablo : http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/libh/libhildonfm/ and rebuild |
| 20:46.04 | RST38h | qwerty: I am using sb2 so my options are somewhat limited |
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| 20:46.53 | RST38h | qwerty: what libhildonfm2 version should I put there? |
| 20:47.24 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: 1:2.0.5 |
| 20:47.34 | pusling | derf: or do you know some secret way to recover my lost maemo mapper track ? |
| 20:48.06 | RST38h | I have got libhildonfm2-dev inside sb2 and it depends on 1:2.0.6! |
| 20:48.06 | derf | pusling: Look in the database and see if anything's left of it? |
| 20:48.19 | derf | That's probably a lot of work, though. |
| 20:48.37 | pusling | then I_guess i can recreate the tracks of some local allotments another day ;) |
| 20:49.20 | andrewfblack | later guys time to head home. |
| 20:51.39 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: I have no idea about the oddities of sb2, sb1 user here, but the version that is currently in diablo is 1:2.0.5. If you upload 1:2.0.6-1, I don't think osso-soft-version will let you install it. If you edit the depends line manually, your program built with 1:2.0.6 is running fine on a device with 1:2.0.5 |
| 20:51.41 | elekt | anyone know a site where i could get ascii -> hex for a wep password? |
| 20:52.05 | RST38h | Aha |
| 20:53.54 | RST38h | I hacked dpkg/status file |
| 20:54.11 | RST38h | dunno if it is the right thing to do |
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| 20:56.09 | qwerty12_N800 | I'd recommend restoring it afterwards unless you replaced all instances? I don't recommend it, I only do it on my tablet to replace rubbish busybox stuff with the real stuff properly |
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| 21:03.29 | Jaffa | sleeps; will have to do a better version of http://bleb.org/software/maemo/finding-maemo.jpg as a silkscreen for a t-shirt |
| 21:04.56 | keesj | how about something around maemo people |
| 21:04.56 | Mek | should probably make some kde/maemo shirt... |
| 21:06.34 | keesj | needs to read about what happend on the kde day in belgium |
| 21:07.37 | crashanddie | we're all going down in flames: http://img.lulz.net/src/G%C3%B6rd%C3%B6n%20Friim%C3%A4n.jpg |
| 21:09.08 | sp3000 | you can always check at http://hasthelhcdestroyedtheearth.com/ |
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| 21:13.02 | lardman | wonders why his output file is ~1/2 size and doesn't contain the right data |
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| 21:14.19 | mgedmin | love that it has an rss feed |
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| 21:20.51 | RST38h | shit, I am almost ready to downgrade to chinook rootstrap |
| 21:21.55 | qwerty12_N800 | upgrade to sb1 |
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| 22:07.51 | RST38bis | curses diablo rootstrap |
| 22:08.11 | RST38bis | broken pieceofshit |
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| 22:11.17 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 22:11.21 | GeneralAntilles | fanoush just blew by qgil |
| 22:11.31 | RST38bis | ? |
| 22:12.11 | GeneralAntilles | in karma |
| 22:12.12 | GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/profile/list/ |
| 22:13.15 | RST38bis | ah... the karma is broken anyway |
| 22:13.23 | GeneralAntilles | Meh |
| 22:13.29 | RST38bis | so is downloads page |
| 22:13.39 | RST38bis | and the stats |
| 22:14.00 | RST38bis | and sb2's diablo rootstrap |
| 22:14.26 | lardman | my karma seems to have gone down |
| 22:14.39 | RST38bis | that's how one starts thinking of killing ppl I guess |
| 22:14.57 | lardman | how can karma go down? |
| 22:15.27 | lardman | especially when I don't have anything on the news page to be given a thumbs down |
| 22:15.34 | GeneralAntilles | Down indeed |
| 22:15.41 | GeneralAntilles | I don't even see you on the first two pages. |
| 22:15.51 | RST38bis | you did not perform sacrificial rites. |
| 22:15.56 | lardman | :) |
| 22:16.01 | GeneralAntilles | 114 |
| 22:16.03 | GeneralAntilles | Ouch |
| 22:16.12 | GeneralAntilles | down from ~330-ish |
| 22:16.24 | GeneralAntilles | lost discussion karma? |
| 22:16.30 | GeneralAntilles | Time to file a bug, I guess. |
| 22:16.49 | lbt | nah, it's fine, I've gone up 2 pages :) |
| 22:16.54 | RST38bis | ok, last attempt to package |
| 22:17.48 | lardman | ah, my discussion=8, comment=4, favs=1.75, groups=33, bugzilla=56, blogs=8 |
| 22:18.05 | lardman | discussion seems to have taken a pounding in the new weighting system |
| 22:19.08 | lardman | hmm, qwerty has 44 for discussion |
| 22:19.13 | RST38bis | could some1 paste link to karma list? (using tablet) |
| 22:19.15 | GeneralAntilles | It's a bug |
| 22:19.25 | GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/profile/list/ |
| 22:19.27 | lbt | I have 108 for discussion !! |
| 22:19.41 | RST38bis | thnks |
| 22:19.47 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, your discussion karma is being calculated incorrectly or something. |
| 22:20.06 | lardman | qgil has 6 for discussion too :) |
| 22:20.19 | lbt | off by 1? |
| 22:20.26 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: ah well, I'm sure I'll survive |
| 22:20.29 | GeneralAntilles | fanoush has 1400 or so |
| 22:20.34 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, file a bug, please. |
| 22:21.04 | RST38bis | hehe, it worked! |
| 22:23.05 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: Is it definitely a bug, perhaps that's by design? |
| 22:23.11 | GeneralAntilles | It's a bug |
| 22:23.16 | GeneralAntilles | clearly it's not new weighting |
| 22:23.19 | GeneralAntilles | as fanoush has 1400 |
| 22:24.08 | GeneralAntilles | My discussion karma went up, too. |
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| 22:27.23 | lardman | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3692 |
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| 22:28.00 | GeneralAntilles | Thanks! |
| 22:28.31 | lardman | np probs |
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| 22:29.31 | lcuk | can we please have it like a pop chart with whos rising and falling? |
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| 22:30.14 | lcuk | we could get a maemo celeb to read out the charts on a sunday afternoon |
| 22:30.24 | GeneralAntilles | Maemo Top 40 |
| 22:30.31 | GeneralAntilles | I'm so down with that. |
| 22:30.34 | GeneralAntilles | I nominate crashanddie. |
| 22:30.46 | lbt | 'night all - sweet, bacony dreams... |
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| 22:30.47 | lcuk | yer - hes always sayin hes a radio dj |
| 22:30.52 | lcuk | nite lbt |
| 22:30.54 | crashanddie | celebs? |
| 22:31.00 | lcuk | bacony never flashed hmmm |
| 22:31.03 | lcuk | yer, you |
| 22:31.17 | lcuk | give us some decent tunes to code to |
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| 22:31.28 | lcuk | good discussion, overview of the scene |
| 22:31.31 | lcuk | news tidbits |
| 22:31.37 | crashanddie | erhm |
| 22:31.41 | lcuk | lol |
| 22:31.45 | lcuk | 24/7 NOW |
| 22:31.46 | crashanddie | How about... |
| 22:31.47 | crashanddie | No |
| 22:31.58 | lardman | night lbt |
| 22:32.04 | GeneralAntilles | :( |
| 22:32.06 | RST38bis | ok, i have fixed vgba packaging |
| 22:32.20 | lcuk | lol crashanddie we are gettin carried away, why not |
| 22:32.38 | crashanddie | cuz my ass is going to be flying around the world :D |
| 22:32.47 | GeneralAntilles | A monthly Maemo podcast would be pretty cool. |
| 22:32.54 | crashanddie | oh, I can do that |
| 22:33.00 | RST38bis | time to hit the bed |
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| 22:33.18 | lcuk | "this is kermit the frog reporting from [insert country] on [insert news] |
| 22:33.56 | lcuk | have we got anything to subscribe and download and listen to podcasts on this device? |
| 22:34.01 | lardman | If /me gets elected, he might have to veto the karma rule for the next election otherwise he might not be able to vote by then |
| 22:34.07 | lardman | ;) |
| 22:34.09 | GeneralAntilles | Canola |
| 22:34.11 | RST38bis | and I should reiterate that podcasts suck. use text, as fathers of the net intended. |
| 22:34.14 | GeneralAntilles | Video Center |
| 22:34.14 | crashanddie | LMAO |
| 22:34.15 | lcuk | how bad are you lard? |
| 22:34.16 | GeneralAntilles | gpodder |
| 22:34.26 | crashanddie | lcuk & GeneralAntilles: I just got this in a PM "[23:33] (macmoby) i've been working on producing a few audio and video podcast but the going been slow because I work full time. if you're not already involved with the hak5 guys would you be interested in being involved in an audio panel discussion on tech/mobile/web/future that could be recorded and released as a podcast" |
| 22:34.27 | lardman | lcuk: 114 |
| 22:34.41 | lcuk | lol |
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| 22:35.35 | lcuk | still more than me |
| 22:35.42 | lcuk | im a 49er :( |
| 22:35.43 | crashanddie | lcuk, the guy that interviewed me (well, the first one) |
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| 22:35.47 | crashanddie | lcuk, he's called "Hildon" |
| 22:35.54 | lardman | at least you're not negative hey? ;) |
| 22:36.11 | lcuk | yer \o/ |
| 22:36.47 | lardman | I knew it was too easy, wrong output from mp3 task so started removing the asm, and now have to plumb in lots of 64bit arithmetic :( |
| 22:37.12 | lcuk | youch! |
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| 22:37.23 | lardman | yeah, given up on that for the night |
| 22:38.18 | lcuk | and lardman, the discussion tweaks seem right if its counting thanks from itT - unless they put it on a logarithmic scale fanoush would be astronomical |
| 22:38.47 | jott | woo karma crap again :P |
| 22:39.11 | lcuk | im tempted to get them to suggest a scrolling window of thanks - ie consider all thinaks in last 6 months |
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| 22:39.38 | lcuk | that way a person will shine like a star when they are meant to ;) |
| 22:40.25 | lcuk | my god, arent i being pushy.. apologies, i would look to try to see if that would be a better approach |
| 22:40.30 | lardman | lcuk: fair enough |
| 22:40.45 | lcuk | is a bit wired tonight |
| 22:41.05 | lcuk | infact, i am gonna vanish again.. |
| 22:41.07 | lcuk | cyas later |
| 22:41.55 | lardman | night lcuk |
| 22:42.13 | lardman | anyone know how to get a list of thanks on itt? |
| 22:42.36 | lardman | i.e. #of thanks/posts/other metric for top 20 people, etc |
| 22:43.32 | GeneralAntilles | There isn't one |
| 22:43.47 | GeneralAntilles | Well, Reggie's got an XML dump |
| 22:43.52 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno the URL |
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| 22:44.05 | lardman | nah, fair enough, just wondering if it could do it automatically |
| 22:44.22 | GeneralAntilles | Top Thanks: me, Benson |
| 22:44.54 | qwerty12_N800 | qwerty12 3rd |
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| 22:48.44 | lardman | how many posts are you on GeneralAntilles? |
| 22:48.55 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno |
| 22:48.59 | GeneralAntilles | Somewhere close to 3k |
| 22:49.07 | GeneralAntilles | Texrat probably has the most posts. |
| 22:49.13 | lardman | :) |
| 22:49.56 | lardman | After writing that blurb about why this and that, I looked back at oesf.org |
| 22:50.11 | lardman | ~4.5k |
| 22:50.26 | lardman | worn myself out :) |
| 22:54.20 | crashanddie | lcuk & GeneralAntilles: shouldn't the MaemoDJ for Radio Maemo have at least 25 in karma? |
| 22:54.47 | GeneralAntilles | I figure we can let you slip by just this once. ;) |
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| 22:55.49 | crashanddie | First song on Radio Maemo: http://www.deezer.com/track/1089 |
| 22:55.50 | jott | crashanddie: 200 minimum. better yet 2000! |
| 22:56.08 | crashanddie | jott, now you're just asking me to be a karma whore |
| 22:56.43 | jott | that's what karma is all about :> |
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| 22:57.19 | lardman | wonders if ct100 is good enough or whether to go for ct125 satellite cable |
| 22:57.32 | crashanddie | Though, I thought participating on the mailing lists was taken into account in the karma? |
| 22:57.50 | GeneralAntilles | It is. |
| 22:58.17 | crashanddie | More than 3 emails, I s'pose then :P |
| 22:58.22 | jott | darius jack rules them all :) |
| 22:58.57 | crashanddie | Ever since I first read an email from him |
| 22:59.05 | crashanddie | I wanted to make my signature "Darius, Jack Off" |
| 23:00.14 | jott | how about "Darius - The true heart of karma" |
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| 23:02.38 | lardman | night chaps |
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| 23:36.08 | naroth | maemo |
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| 23:38.05 | qwerty12_N800 | night |
