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| 01:07.48 | GeneralAntilles | This looks like an endorsement for OMAP3 in the next tablet if _I've_ ever seen one: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=221381&postcount=4 |
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| 14:57.46 | *** topic/#maemo is Voting open: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Community_Council/Candidate_declarations | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | logs at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ |
| 14:57.47 | summatusmentis | if they get a notice from someone, they'll track your ip, and tell you to stop |
| 14:58.02 | summatusmentis | if they get a lot of notices, they send an email to everyone telling them to stop |
| 14:58.10 | qwerty12 | In London, no one gives a shit atm |
| 14:58.14 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: it's just uni rules so |
| 14:58.25 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: encrypted ftp and likes they dont care about |
| 14:58.30 | Stskeeps | also dorms arent on campus here, so |
| 14:58.36 | summatusmentis | anyone using mcalendar? |
| 14:58.38 | qwerty12 | Ahh |
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| 15:01.45 | summatusmentis | for whatever reason, on mCalendar, when I try to add an even on the n810 side, the timing doesn't sync correctly to google calendar |
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| 15:04.27 | RST38h | moo all |
| 15:04.37 | RST38h | [whoemever I have not yest seen today] |
| 15:04.59 | summatusmentis | hi RST38h |
| 15:05.07 | lardman | qwerty12: which performance optimisations are these? |
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| 15:13.41 | timeless | anyone know why planet.maemo.org looks so strange? |
| 15:13.53 | RST38h | Is it just me or has Quim Gil gone insane? |
| 15:14.01 | timeless | asked first! |
| 15:14.06 | RST38h | yea |
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| 15:29.53 | _julian | does someone know if avahi-qt ist available for maemo as package somewhere? |
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| 15:38.14 | Khertan1 | Hi ! |
| 15:38.33 | Khertan1 | dneary: Thx i ve received your email. |
| 15:38.39 | summatusmentis | Hi Khertan1 |
| 15:39.36 | Khertan | :) |
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| 15:40.30 | summatusmentis | Khertan: is it a known bug of mcalendar for it to not pay attention to am or pm? |
| 15:40.38 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: isn't it qwerty15 by now? ;> |
| 15:41.08 | qwerty13 | Stskeeps: God knows >.>. Shitty router is effin up when I'm dl'ing torrents |
| 15:41.18 | Khertan | summatusmentis: which bugs ? |
| 15:41.47 | qwerty13 | lardman: sorry, just got back here. wait a sec please :) |
| 15:41.59 | summatusmentis | whenever I try to add an event within mCalendar, it will ignore the am or pm designation, and sync as am back to Google Calendar |
| 15:42.10 | dneary | Khertan: You've voted, then? |
| 15:42.13 | qwerty13 | lardman: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/cx3110x-devel/2008-February/000019.html |
| 15:42.18 | Khertan | dneary: yep thx |
| 15:42.20 | summatusmentis | for instance, if set for 7:00 pm, it'll sync to google as 7:00 am |
| 15:42.21 | dneary | Khertan: You're welcome :Ã |
| 15:42.30 | qwerty13 | RST38h: Got any pointers on compiling EMUTools? :) |
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| 15:42.41 | Khertan | summatusmentis: strange ... |
| 15:43.06 | Khertan | when you enter event you choose am or pm in the hildon widget ? |
| 15:43.07 | Khertan | right ? |
| 15:43.19 | summatusmentis | yes |
| 15:43.37 | summatusmentis | I'm using 0.4.0 |
| 15:43.41 | Khertan | hum ... |
| 15:43.50 | Khertan | i ll made some test ... |
| 15:43.57 | lardman | qwerty13: cool, thanks |
| 15:44.16 | summatusmentis | I can pull together a bug report with screen shots if you'd like |
| 15:44.16 | Khertan | could you send me the sync log after making a new event ? |
| 15:44.25 | Khertan | i prefer the log :) |
| 15:44.28 | summatusmentis | where do I find the sync log? |
| 15:44.33 | Khertan | launch it from xterm |
| 15:44.38 | Khertan | with 'mcalendar' |
| 15:44.44 | Khertan | you ll see a lot of text :) |
| 15:45.26 | Khertan | send me it at khertan@khertan.net |
| 15:45.29 | Khertan | pls |
| 15:45.50 | summatusmentis | ok, will do |
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| 15:46.51 | Khertan | see u later ... |
| 15:46.52 | Khertan | bye |
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| 15:47.32 | crashanddie | just sent 60 CVs for PHP-related jobs |
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| 15:53.08 | MangoFusion | crashanddie: 60? |
| 15:53.33 | crashanddie | yup |
| 15:53.41 | crashanddie | I hope I'll get at least one interview with that :P |
| 15:53.59 | florian | crashanddie: learn C ;) |
| 15:54.10 | crashanddie | florian, I know C |
| 15:54.23 | florian | crashanddie: so why PHP? ;) |
| 15:54.50 | crashanddie | florian, I know C, C++, Java, STL, Kernel Programming, Network Programming, I know a whole lot |
| 15:55.02 | crashanddie | they just require experience, which I don't have |
| 15:55.08 | crashanddie | I'd blow their minds if they'd just give me an interview :P |
| 15:56.42 | murrayc | crashanddie: Today not all employers need on-the-job experience. Personally, I am far more convinced by visible open source activity. Get involved in something. Then send me your CV. |
| 15:57.17 | crashanddie | I am involved, it's just open source is hard to sell decently on a CV... |
| 15:57.44 | crashanddie | How much of it did I do exactly? "Well, I did the design of those 3 functions, and that one, and that one..." "And that one?" "Well, I worked on it with another guy" |
| 15:58.00 | murrayc | crashanddie: URLs are persuasive. I like to browse svn directories, looking at commits. I like to see bugzilla activity and patches. |
| 15:58.34 | murrayc | crashanddie: I like to see mailing lists to see how people communicate and how they think. |
| 15:58.50 | crashanddie | well then you're one hell of an HR |
| 15:58.56 | murrayc | Small companies are different. |
| 15:59.07 | crashanddie | murrayc, not looking to hire someone in London? :P |
| 15:59.20 | murrayc | crashanddie: Berlin. |
| 15:59.31 | crashanddie | bleh |
| 16:00.13 | murrayc | Everyone wants to be in Berlin. |
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| 16:00.21 | crashanddie | does your company give financial help for relocation? :P |
| 16:00.26 | MangoFusion | what you do is |
| 16:00.35 | MangoFusion | make your own exclusive php sideproject |
| 16:00.36 | murrayc | crashanddie: Yes, for good candidates. |
| 16:00.40 | crashanddie | My german is rusty, but I should be able to get it going fast enough |
| 16:00.41 | MangoFusion | then you can go |
| 16:00.43 | MangoFusion | "i made that!" |
| 16:00.49 | MangoFusion | and if people use it |
| 16:00.56 | MangoFusion | "i made that and its really popular" |
| 16:01.04 | MangoFusion | and if people like it enough to want to buy it |
| 16:01.20 | crashanddie | yeah, but that requires to already have a job to live |
| 16:01.22 | MangoFusion | "i'm selling it. i don't need a regular job now. bwhahahaha" |
| 16:01.56 | crashanddie | I need a job to live... I'm out of money, out of luck, out of motivation, basically |
| 16:03.42 | murrayc | crashanddie: Seriously, send me some URLs. Make your case. If you are interested in doing C (and a little C++) Maemo work. |
| 16:03.43 | murrayc | Gotta go. |
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| 16:03.57 | crashanddie | murrayc, hell yeah ! email? |
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| 16:05.25 | Gnuton | Hi there |
| 16:05.45 | crashanddie | hey Gnuton |
| 16:06.03 | Gnuton | :) |
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| 16:11.48 | jott | hello gnuton! |
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| 16:13.14 | Mek | hi Gnuton |
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| 16:28.39 | Khertan_n810 | Hi again |
| 16:28.53 | Khertan_n810 | is there a way to boost audio gain in mplayer ? |
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| 16:29.27 | qwerty12 | Khertan_n810: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=158165&postcount=7 |
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| 16:31.51 | Khertan_n810 | thx qwerty12 |
| 16:31.58 | qwerty12 | no problems |
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| 16:33.35 | darkterror46 | greetings |
| 16:33.38 | darkterror46 | :-D |
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| 16:39.18 | lardman | cu tomorrow chaps |
| 16:40.11 | aquatix | qwerty12: that's in the config file i gather? |
| 16:40.19 | qwerty12 | aquatix: yea |
| 16:40.46 | aquatix | kk |
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| 16:46.49 | melmoth | garage's svn is down... |
| 16:47.49 | Mek | it was't a couple of minutes ago... |
| 16:47.57 | Mek | s/was/wasn |
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| 16:51.50 | Gnuton | Mek, why dont you aggregate your blog in maemo planet? |
| 16:52.01 | X-Fade | Gnuton: Hi ;) |
| 16:52.05 | Mek | Gnuton: I asked for it a few weeks ago, but never got a reply... |
| 16:52.14 | Mek | (and got told the one responsible for it wsa on vacation) |
| 16:52.17 | X-Fade | Mek: Erm sorry :) |
| 16:52.21 | X-Fade | Mek: That is me ;) |
| 16:52.22 | Mek | :) |
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| 16:52.41 | X-Fade | I will catch up on my email asap. |
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| 16:53.12 | Gnuton | hey X-Fade, it`s nice see you again |
| 16:53.27 | X-Fade | Gnuton: Yes, long time no see. |
| 16:53.32 | Gnuton | ah ah |
| 16:53.34 | Gnuton | :) |
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| 16:54.22 | Gnuton | X-Fade, how are you? are you still in vacationà |
| 16:54.24 | Gnuton | ? |
| 16:54.38 | X-Fade | Gnuton: I see you managed 4.1.1 all by yourself? :) |
| 16:54.43 | X-Fade | *to upload |
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| 16:54.54 | X-Fade | Gnuton: No, I'm back now. |
| 16:55.38 | Gnuton | X-Fade: yep =) |
| 16:56.03 | X-Fade | Mek: Ik zal je blog nu toevoegen. |
| 16:56.12 | Mek | okay :) |
| 16:56.47 | Gnuton | ok.. router time.. I`ve to explain to my girl how to setup a wireless router... |
| 16:56.57 | Gnuton | see you later... |
| 16:57.59 | Swaps | 3451 |
| 16:57.59 | Swaps | ok |
| 17:01.56 | X-Fade | Mek: Ok, your blog has been added to the planet. |
| 17:03.23 | Mek | thanks a lot |
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| 17:07.25 | X-Fade | Mek: Cool stuff btw ;) |
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| 17:10.43 | crashanddie | X-Fade, ARE YOU BACK, |
| 17:10.44 | crashanddie | ??? |
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| 17:11.26 | X-Fade | crashanddie: Yep. |
| 17:11.38 | jott | X-Fade: welcome back! |
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| 17:11.54 | crashanddie | X-Fade, wb, I know you must get harassed by emails, but can I ask if my issue has been duly noted? |
| 17:13.16 | X-Fade | crashanddie: The GPG one? |
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| 17:13.52 | crashanddie | X-Fade, aye |
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| 17:14.20 | X-Fade | crashanddie: Ok, I will send you a new invite, so you can upload your gpg key again. |
| 17:14.28 | crashanddie | X-Fade, cheers |
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| 17:14.45 | X-Fade | crashanddie: Ok, done. |
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| 17:15.37 | crashanddie | X-Fade, btw, is there a bug report about not being able to change SSH/GPG keys easily? |
| 17:16.03 | X-Fade | crashanddie: I don't know. It is on Ferenc's todo list, for sure ;) |
| 17:16.58 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/h-i-m-matchbox.png <- woop! |
| 17:17.15 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: nice one! :) |
| 17:17.52 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Looks ugly, but still... impressive :) |
| 17:18.12 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: h-i-m example keyboard ftw |
| 17:18.12 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:18.22 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: lets jook the maemo one :P |
| 17:18.26 | johnx | Stskeeps, !!! |
| 17:19.24 | crashanddie | Stskeeps, nice work |
| 17:19.40 | Stskeeps | the sad thing is however that h-i-m looks crap on non-matchbox though |
| 17:19.43 | Stskeeps | or atleast in openbox |
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| 17:20.49 | jott | what has h-i-ms look to do with matchbox? shouldn't that be a sapwood "problem"? |
| 17:21.25 | johnx | Stskeeps, same situation as matchbox-keyboard? |
| 17:21.26 | johnx | jott, nah, not that...how its window is handled... |
| 17:21.30 | jott | ah |
| 17:21.34 | crashanddie | jott, you're the slappedwood problem |
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| 17:22.25 | qwerty12 | crashanddie is the problem |
| 17:22.47 | crashanddie | yeah but I'm a mature problem |
| 17:23.09 | jott | never fixed and never touched :p |
| 17:23.16 | crashanddie | I'm pure |
| 17:23.24 | crashanddie | qwerty12, you on the other hand, you're a brand new problem |
| 17:23.29 | crashanddie | qwerty12, everyone's eyeing young |
| 17:23.34 | lcuk | in a desolete unused part of the system marked with "DO NOT ENTER" |
| 17:23.38 | crashanddie | qwerty12, everyone wants to fiddle with you, see how you react |
| 17:24.10 | crashanddie | lcuk, yeah but at least I'm not in Manchester :P |
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| 17:24.37 | qwerty12 | The standard stereotypical way, knuckledusters. |
| 17:24.40 | lcuk | good point |
| 17:25.03 | crashanddie | lcuk, do I feel a disturbance in the force? |
| 17:25.21 | lcuk | sorry yer, i couldnt hold it in any more |
| 17:25.27 | lcuk | the smell will dissapate soon |
| 17:25.35 | lcuk | wafts arms around |
| 17:25.54 | crashanddie | uses his armpits as breathing apparatus |
| 17:25.57 | lcuk | the more important question is why are you fighting the world? |
| 17:25.58 | crashanddie | oh shit, bad idea |
| 17:26.16 | crashanddie | lcuk, I'm pissed |
| 17:26.29 | crashanddie | lcuk, I'm tired of "Oh, awesome, thanks, I'll get back to you soon" |
| 17:26.31 | lcuk | not a good combination |
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| 17:27.28 | crashanddie | I think the most obvious and insulting one was the guy who told me he'd call me back cuz he had to go to a meeting, and hung up before I gave the last 3 digits of my phone number |
| 17:27.35 | lcuk | cannot wait for the communal royalty system to be put in place |
| 17:28.15 | crashanddie | "Oh, I'm sorry, they're calling me for a meeting, is there a number I can join you at?" "Yeah, 07.787.347..." "Ok thanks, bye, tuuut, tuut" |
| 17:28.15 | lcuk | youch? you havent got a phone number with name have you ie 1800 ILUVEYOURGRAN |
| 17:29.02 | lcuk | cripes though |
| 17:29.09 | crashanddie | I mean, if you're not even going to bother to take the number down, at least pretend, and count the number of digits |
| 17:30.27 | lcuk | downer |
| 17:31.50 | jott | what? your mobile phone number has more than 4 digits? how should we respect you :p |
| 17:32.24 | crashanddie | jott, I have a 3 digit slashdot number :P |
| 17:32.25 | jott | but really, this is very impolite... |
| 17:35.01 | lcuk | crashanddie, nahhh you cant have |
| 17:35.13 | lcuk | unless its anonymous coward (666) |
| 17:35.42 | crashanddie | I'm the devil's neighbour |
| 17:35.44 | crashanddie | 665 |
| 17:37.50 | Stskeeps | johnx: meh, gtk lacks some hildon extensions else it would be possible to drag in nokia kbd ;) but this is good enough for now |
| 17:38.01 | johnx | well, I'd answer his question...but he quit |
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| 17:38.26 | johnx | Stskeeps, I guess I'll focus on matchbox for now, too |
| 17:38.46 | johnx | qwerty12, there's a good reason ntfs-3g doesn't cope with hibernated drives :) |
| 17:39.38 | Stskeeps | johnx: i'm going to test xfce4-wm + h-i-m and see how that goes |
| 17:39.44 | qwerty12 | johnx, :), but I wish it would, even it it meant risking data loss (for me anyway :)) |
| 17:40.11 | johnx | you should try the matchbox-keyboard layout Navi made :) |
| 17:40.47 | johnx | qwerty12, it would be a pretty big risk. There's a really good chance some of your data on disk is in an inconsistent state |
| 17:41.18 | Stskeeps | johnx: url? :P |
| 17:41.27 | qwerty12 | johnx, I'll just sync before hibernating, most of my hibernations are done with all programs closed |
| 17:41.44 | johnx | qwerty12, like kernel32.dll ? |
| 17:42.22 | qwerty12 | Maybe not :/ |
| 17:42.36 | johnx | Stskeeps, http://www.xenf.net/n800stuff/keyboard.xml |
| 17:42.58 | qwerty12 | Meh, I guess even I could remove the check from ntfs-3g |
| 17:43.05 | johnx | drop that in /usr/share/matchbox-keyboard IIRC |
| 17:43.28 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 17:43.34 | Stskeeps | johnx: same result with example hi |
| 17:43.38 | Stskeeps | -i-m under xfce wm |
| 17:44.00 | johnx | yeah, but the layout is better if you're going to use matchbox anyways |
| 17:44.13 | Stskeeps | tested matchbox + lxde yet? |
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| 17:44.39 | johnx | momentarily |
| 17:44.51 | Stskeeps | then checked yourself into mental hospital for some weeks? :P |
| 17:44.51 | johnx | I'm just getting setup on a fresh install |
| 17:45.06 | johnx | aaaah, sad |
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| 17:45.14 | johnx | I was wondering why you weren't using it :( |
| 17:45.17 | johnx | what's the problem? |
| 17:45.27 | Stskeeps | hmm? |
| 17:46.05 | johnx | ah, I thought you'd tested it and the "mental hospital" was where you went afterwards? |
| 17:46.16 | Stskeeps | hehe, no |
| 17:46.25 | lopz | hola |
| 17:47.06 | johnx | hola lopz |
| 17:47.19 | lopz | heya johnx !! |
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| 17:52.25 | johnx | ff3 works disturbingly well in deblet... |
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| 17:53.05 | Stskeeps | johnx: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/lxde-matchbox-h-i-m.png |
| 17:53.40 | johnx | quite nice |
| 17:53.55 | Stskeeps | changed it in /etc/xdg/lxsession/config |
| 17:54.41 | johnx | I did too, but for some reason it didn't take |
| 17:54.46 | johnx | trying again in a second... |
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| 17:55.12 | Stskeeps | i'm not sure why, but it feels like the background desktop keeps on rebooting or something.. nfi why |
| 17:55.28 | johnx | I turned it off to save a little memory |
| 17:57.43 | johnx | hmm...it's kinda sad how much faster an OMAP2420 is vs a PXA270 |
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| 18:05.25 | RST38h | johnx: At the same frequency? |
| 18:09.06 | johnx | RST38h, nah, the PXA270 is a little faster |
| 18:09.06 | johnx | 416MHz |
| 18:09.11 | johnx | armv5 vs armv6 |
| 18:09.21 | johnx | intel pulled the "P4 trick" when they designed the PXA series...lengthen the pipeline, then try to compensate with a higher frequency |
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| 18:10.49 | RST38h | ah |
| 18:11.00 | ToyKeeper | Stskeeps: Which onscreen keyboard program is in that screenshot? |
| 18:11.21 | RST38h | poor Intel, that P4 fiasco just keeps on coming back |
| 18:11.35 | ToyKeeper | I've been looking for one which is more configurable than the default, so I can do a fitaly layout. |
| 18:12.37 | johnx | RST38h, well it should! That was such an indescribably stupid "strategy" on their part |
| 18:12.41 | ToyKeeper | I got the regular keyboard to do fitaly, but there seems to be no way to get rid of the huge space bar, so it's really squished. |
| 18:13.17 | Stskeeps | ToyKeeper: hildon input keyboard + example vkb |
| 18:13.17 | Stskeeps | hildon input method, i mean |
| 18:14.12 | Stskeeps | johnx: i've found why matchbox doesnt look fancy docking or whatever in non-matchbox: _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_INPUT |
| 18:14.56 | Stskeeps | .. i think, or _TOOLBAR |
| 18:15.38 | ToyKeeper | I'm not sure how to use layouts such as this: http://www.xenf.net/n800stuff/keyboard.xml |
| 18:15.49 | Stskeeps | that's for matchbox-keyboard |
| 18:16.01 | tagarashi | what kind of package management does maemo use? I'm looking through downloads and I see a lot of GPE applications. ipkg maybe? |
| 18:16.34 | ToyKeeper | Ah, then if I can find that package, I should be able to make a decent fitaly layout. |
| 18:17.09 | Stskeeps | tagarashi: apt |
| 18:17.21 | tagarashi | ok, cool |
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| 18:20.33 | johnx | openbox doesn't honor it? or matchbox keyboard doesn't set it? |
| 18:20.37 | johnx | hmm |
| 18:20.45 | johnx | ToyKeeper, that's for matchbox-keyboard in debian, not hildon-input-method in Nokia's linux |
| 18:20.49 | johnx | tagarashi, dpkg |
| 18:20.55 | johnx | ToyKeeper, errr...There might be a version of matchbox keyboard that works with OS2008...I really don't know |
| 18:21.04 | ToyKeeper | Yeah, I'm looking now. :) |
| 18:21.05 | johnx | Stskeeps, matchbox wm doesn't cooperate with the lxde "task list" it seems |
| 18:21.27 | ToyKeeper | ... pondering how much will break if I pull the package from debian directly. |
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| 18:21.37 | johnx | ToyKeeper, possibly a lot? |
| 18:21.47 | johnx | hang on a sec |
| 18:22.13 | Stskeeps | johnx: i would really like not to have to depend on matchbox for proper input method atleast.. it kinda defeats the whole deblet is for the people who want to paint the bikeshed a different colour motto ;) |
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| 18:22.52 | Stskeeps | so i'm hacking on h-i-m a bit |
| 18:23.14 | johnx | Stskeeps, yeah...I guess we keep investigating other WMs or start hacking into one of the input methods... |
| 18:23.34 | johnx | input methods or wms... |
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| 18:24.16 | Stskeeps | think there's most hope in h-i-m really as there's already qt im plugins and such .. and i have an idea in store to make h-i-m work for any x app |
| 18:24.41 | johnx | I guess so, but matchbox keyboard works with unmodified X apps |
| 18:25.10 | johnx | well, you look at that, and I'll look at matchbox-keyboard and we'll see what happens :) |
| 18:25.33 | johnx | hey ToyKeeper: http://maemocjk.garage.maemo.org/dists/diablo/user/binary-armel/ :D |
| 18:27.18 | tagarashi | wow usbcontrol i can add external hard drive? |
| 18:28.07 | johnx | as long as they're self powered or need less than 100mA |
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| 18:29.24 | t_s_o | err, is planet maemo breaking down? |
| 18:30.09 | johnx | dunno. my RSS reader is getting spammed with blank posts |
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| 18:33.05 | Stskeeps | johnx: yeah - it works but doesnt dock nicely as such |
| 18:36.46 | johnx | Stskeeps, in matchbox? |
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| 18:39.05 | tagarashi | johnx, would you know what external drives work with usbcontrol? mA usage does not seem to be a regularly available spec. |
| 18:40.22 | johnx | tagarashi, usb sticks (ie, flash memory) generally work. hard drives that use an AC adapter are reported to work |
| 18:40.48 | johnx | hard drives (1.8" and 2.5") that don't use an AC adapter won't work unless you find a way to provide additional power |
| 18:41.19 | tagarashi | ok so if its < 100mA it would power from the host? |
| 18:42.02 | johnx | yup |
| 18:42.06 | johnx | I have 2 usb sticks |
| 18:42.13 | johnx | one works the other doesn't |
| 18:42.37 | tagarashi | thats a bummer .. ok thanks |
| 18:43.01 | johnx | usually they work...the one that doesn't is kind of cheap and old and sketchy :) |
| 18:43.27 | johnx | it might even be lying about its power requirements |
| 18:43.56 | MishaS | Jaffa, btw, fbreader is now in extras, you might consider re-evaluating it for diablo :) |
| 18:44.00 | MishaS | (chinook/diablo) |
| 18:45.10 | Stskeeps | johnx: no sorry, changed to openbox again to mess around a bit with h-i-m |
| 18:45.45 | konttori_ | by the way, writing to usb sticks also usually draws more than reading, so even if you were able to read, writing might cause corruption of the usb stick |
| 18:46.06 | johnx | konttori, I've had good luck with it so far |
| 18:46.13 | konttori_ | But, I suppose it's really easy to just attach some battery setup to provide power to the sticks/hard drive |
| 18:46.40 | konttori_ | I wonder how easy it would be to draw that power from the n810 battery |
| 18:46.48 | konttori_ | it provides close enough correct voltage |
| 18:46.48 | johnx | I was running a rootfs and swap on a usb stick on my zaurus for a long time |
| 18:46.54 | konttori_ | nice |
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| 18:47.06 | johnx | 3.7v vs 5v? |
| 18:48.28 | konttori_ | was the battery 3.7 v only? |
| 18:48.30 | konttori_ | bummer |
| 18:48.54 | konttori_ | anyway, might still be enough. |
| 18:49.12 | konttori_ | I recon 4.5 v would be enough. |
| 18:49.55 | johnx | aren't li-ion batteries between ~3.7 and ~4.2 depending on charge level? |
| 18:50.16 | ToyKeeper | johnx: Thanks, it seems to work. I'll let you know when I get a working fitaly layout. |
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| 18:50.49 | ToyKeeper | It looks like matchbox-keyboard doesn't handle sliding off keys, but I can't tell for sure yet. |
| 18:51.19 | konttori_ | could be. I don't know much about the inner workings of batteries. |
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| 18:57.42 | konttori_ | Anyone here who is doing themes? |
| 18:58.02 | konttori_ | I need someone to try out the latest version of theme maker that includes support for icons. |
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| 18:58.35 | johnx | alright, I'll give it a quick shot |
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| 18:58.58 | konttori_ | can you ping me at urho.konttori@gmail.com and I'll reply with theme maker attached. |
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| 18:59.11 | konttori_ | do you use linux? (just curious) |
| 18:59.46 | johnx | yup, ubuntu 8.04 |
| 18:59.47 | johnx | I figured you need linux testers, right? |
| 19:00.06 | konttori_ | Well, I don't test it myself on linux so, why not! |
| 19:00.32 | konttori_ | (target audience for theme maker is osx and windows -> not coders, but artists) |
| 19:00.44 | tagarashi | how does the n810/n800 act when hooked via usb? networking or mass storage device? or could i choose between the two? |
| 19:00.49 | tagarashi | via usb to the pc |
| 19:01.01 | johnx | tagarashi, you can choose |
| 19:01.10 | tagarashi | sweet |
| 19:01.11 | johnx | default is mass storage access to the SD cards |
| 19:01.13 | tagarashi | ohg |
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| 19:03.45 | konttori_ | johnx: Thanks! I've sent the package along with few second instructions. |
| 19:05.07 | johnx | got it |
| 19:05.47 | johnx | will test then go to bed :) |
| 19:07.06 | melmoth | anybody know when is svn supposed to be back ? |
| 19:07.14 | konttori_ | thanks johnx. |
| 19:07.50 | konttori_ | oh, after you install (and set to use) a theme with new icons, some icons will only take effect after restart. |
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| 19:10.29 | johnx | maybe I'm being dense but I don't see anything about icons... |
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| 19:15.07 | konttori_ | at the bottom of the view |
| 19:15.38 | konttori_ | under the optional font file |
| 19:16.20 | johnx | I really don't know how I missed that |
| 19:16.36 | konttori_ | :) |
| 19:19.12 | johnx | progress seems to have stopped at 1% |
| 19:19.16 | johnx | I'll let it sit for a while |
| 19:23.56 | johnx | ah, note for linux: make sure to run it from the CLI in the cwd with java -jar foo.jar |
| 19:25.37 | johnx | Exception in thread "AWT-EventQueue-0" java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Width (-1) and height (-1) cannot be <= 0 |
| 19:26.06 | johnx | I'm off to bed for now...need sleep |
| 19:27.09 | dystopia | good night johnx |
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| 19:30.36 | konttori_ | night johnx! |
| 19:30.39 | konttori_ | http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2008/09/theme-maker-117-now-with-support-for.html |
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| 19:33.45 | konttori_ | thanks johnx. I figured that the icons template is mandatory. |
| 19:33.54 | konttori_ | that's the reason it was stuck at 1% |
| 19:33.59 | konttori_ | goes to bed as well |
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| 19:39.07 | Stskeeps | shakes his fist at private window manager window extensions |
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| 19:52.06 | lardman | evening all |
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| 19:57.53 | RST38h | evening lardman |
| 19:58.04 | lardman | hi RST38h |
| 20:01.36 | lardman | very quiet here tonight |
| 20:05.30 | Mek | jott: do you know/remember how the issues with building cmake based stuff on the autobuilder was fixed? As now qt requires qemu cvs-m I'm hitting the same problems locally when building kde stuff... |
| 20:06.30 | RST38h | lardman: anything new with a2dp? |
| 20:06.45 | lardman | RST38h: all finished as far as I'm concerned |
| 20:07.02 | lardman | RST38h: except for the video issue, but I don't know what that is |
| 20:07.05 | RST38h | lardman: so the only stuff left is at nokia's end? |
| 20:07.19 | lardman | RST38h: yeah, in terms of them supporting it out of the box? |
| 20:07.31 | RST38h | lardman: yes. should we start the bombardment? |
| 20:07.43 | lardman | RST38h: it will be troublesome probably because they use one of the dsp tasks as a mixer |
| 20:08.17 | RST38h | how do they stream headset audio then? |
| 20:08.18 | lardman | RST38h: no, I want to push for some new tasks which can be linked together - with a separate mixer task that can be used by either sbc or eap |
| 20:08.36 | RST38h | yes but this can't happen without nokia's participation right? |
| 20:08.52 | lardman | RST38h: I don't know, not thought about it |
| 20:09.08 | lardman | RST38h: not quickly without them, no, but still doable in the long term |
| 20:09.22 | RST38h | my guess is that a2dp should happen in parallel with headset stuff, at the same level |
| 20:09.31 | lardman | RST38h: I'm not even sure the mixer thing is the problem, that's my guess |
| 20:09.40 | RST38h | oh |
| 20:10.14 | RST38h | lardman: Why not open a bug for A2DP integration and ask dneary to find somebody responsible? |
| 20:10.32 | lardman | RST38h: is there not one already, I think there is |
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| 20:10.56 | RST38h | vaguely remembers opening it, yes |
| 20:11.09 | RST38h | Should kick it around a little bit for all to see |
| 20:11.27 | lardman | certainly |
| 20:11.43 | lardman | we may see something for the next device as I presume the code will need to be re-written entirely |
| 20:11.49 | lardman | the dsp code that is |
| 20:13.14 | lardman | assuming we move to an omap 3xxx that is |
| 20:13.16 | RST38h | does OMAP3 use a different dsp? |
| 20:13.20 | lardman | yeah |
| 20:13.28 | lardman | tms320c6xx |
| 20:13.33 | RST38h | probably will, although I expect to see omap3 based S60 devices first |
| 20:13.43 | lardman | as opposed to tms320c55x |
| 20:14.02 | RST38h | ah... |
| 20:14.38 | lardman | anyone here familiar with libmad? |
| 20:14.55 | RST38h | yes what about it? |
| 20:15.11 | lardman | just trying to get it running on the dsp |
| 20:15.36 | lardman | http://maemo.pastebin.com/m1a7c20c3 |
| 20:16.13 | lardman | just wondering if that indicates a fault, and if so where |
| 20:16.28 | jott | Mek: hm that's bad... i guess we really should consider wrapper scripts for the tools on an sbox installation or evaluate the performance gain.. :( |
| 20:16.32 | RST38h | I would start by looking at the executable map |
| 20:16.52 | RST38h | does ti dsp compiler generate symbol maps? |
| 20:16.58 | lardman | not sure |
| 20:17.04 | lardman | what is one? |
| 20:17.11 | RST38h | check, see what is at address 0x0293d8 |
| 20:17.16 | lardman | oh I see, where the failure was you mean |
| 20:17.29 | RST38h | a map will look like a list of labels with addresses |
| 20:17.47 | lardman | yep, hang on let me browse the docs and see what I can find |
| 20:17.49 | Mek | jott: yeah, I guess somehow it should be possible to run a native cmake from an ARMEL target? |
| 20:17.53 | RST38h | but if this message is printed by libmad, it should have "translation fault" string somewhere |
| 20:18.03 | RST38h | look for this one too |
| 20:18.10 | lardman | RST38h: no, that's a message from dsp_dld |
| 20:18.24 | lardman | RST38h: to tell us that there was a fault in the task |
| 20:18.32 | jott | Mek: uhm. that should also be possible. but i am not a real sbox expert. |
| 20:18.33 | RST38h | ok, then map it is |
| 20:18.52 | jott | Mek: another way would be to use a more recent qemu svn snapshot... |
| 20:19.14 | jott | Mek: qemu is really unfortunate :( |
| 20:19.34 | Mek | jott: yeah, that might help too... are there instructions somewhere on how to get a newer svn snapshot? |
| 20:20.03 | lbt | anyone played with tslib recently? |
| 20:20.06 | jott | Mek: no. basically you need to apply some of the patches that are used in sbox. |
| 20:20.18 | Mek | sounds like fun... |
| 20:20.18 | jott | lbt: me a bit :) |
| 20:20.28 | lbt | did you get anywhere? |
| 20:20.39 | lbt | static linking |
| 20:20.40 | lbt | ? |
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| 20:21.40 | jott | lbt: not entirely.. |
| 20:22.00 | jott | well actually it needs some debugging i thing.. |
| 20:22.26 | jott | Mek: http://outpo.st/qemu-arm-eabi-sb2 might give this one a try. |
| 20:22.42 | jott | Mek: then there is also sbrsh... |
| 20:23.00 | lbt | I was thinking of just getting the modules and combining them into a maemo-tslib |
| 20:23.01 | jott | lbt: want may version to continue to work on? |
| 20:23.09 | lardman | RST38h: nice idea, but the code is relocated |
| 20:23.36 | jott | i bascially removed the dlopen stuff and initialize the modules on demand.. |
| 20:24.06 | lbt | go on then... |
| 20:24.52 | jott | lbt: not sure if i just sucked at setting it up or if there is still some major bug in it.. |
| 20:25.10 | jott | lbt: http://outpo.st/tslib-1.0-static.tar.gz |
| 20:25.10 | Mek | jott: that one doesn't work; apparently it isn't new enough for the vfp stuff the current qt stuff depends on |
| 20:25.22 | jott | Mek: darn.. |
| 20:25.41 | lbt | ta |
| 20:25.42 | jott | Mek: well maybe go for wrapper scripts for now then? |
| 20:26.02 | jott | Mek: like "SBOX_BLABLA=qemu-bla qmake $@" |
| 20:26.10 | Mek | yeah, I'll try that |
| 20:26.14 | Anunakin | jott, I think better not use patched tslib |
| 20:26.23 | jott | Anunakin: huh? why not? |
| 20:26.38 | RST38h | lardman: ouch |
| 20:27.01 | lardman | RST38h: it may be possible to work out how, but not really necessary atm |
| 20:27.04 | RST38h | lardman: ok, plan b: put a lot of printfs into the code that is supposed to execute |
| 20:27.16 | lardman | RST38h: yeah, that's what I'm doing ;) |
| 20:27.22 | RST38h | lardman: hehe ;) |
| 20:27.28 | Anunakin | jott: remember, ... I told you about use keylauncher from OpenZaurus project... this emulate all mouse buttons... with stylus... and works for all applications |
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| 20:29.35 | lbt | jott: do you think tslib should/would work whilst maemo is running? |
| 20:30.19 | lbt | I can't see why not : /dev/event/0 is only read |
| 20:30.19 | jott | lbt: i can "cat /dev/input/event3" so... yes i think it should work.. |
| 20:30.51 | jott | lbt: yeah permission too.. its "3" though.. |
| 20:31.01 | jott | Anunakin: tbh. i can't remember.. sources? |
| 20:31.54 | lbt | thanks - just pseudo device... |
| 20:36.41 | jott | lbt: make sure to set TSLIB_TSDEVICE :) |
| 20:37.10 | lardman | when a comparison is done in C between a variable and a static value, is the static value cast(ed) to the same type as the var? |
| 20:37.13 | jott | would be great if you manage to run it .. probably something small and stupid :) |
| 20:37.15 | lbt | ts_parse_vars.c:36: undefined reference to `bzero' |
| 20:37.26 | jott | huh? |
| 20:37.29 | lbt | just peering around... |
| 20:37.46 | lbt | it linked to libts.a |
| 20:38.07 | lbt | but then linking to my test applet (one of their tests IIRC) gave that... |
| 20:38.49 | lbt | d'oh it had a ts_config() call |
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| 20:43.26 | RST38h | lardman: no |
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| 20:43.47 | lardman | RST38h: how is the comparison performed then? |
| 20:43.53 | RST38h | lardman: or, really, if it CAN be casted it will be, otherwise you are gonna get a warning or an error |
| 20:44.04 | RST38h | lardman: example: |
| 20:44.13 | RST38h | (unsigned long)L == 5 will work |
| 20:44.21 | andrewfblack | Just released a new Matrix Theme and Updated Windows XP theme with Custom Icons. If anyone is interested. |
| 20:44.40 | lardman | RST38h: my question really stems from the problem that pointers are 23bit on the DSP, and I'm wondering if a pointer can be correctly compared to -01 |
| 20:44.46 | RST38h | (int)L == 5ULL will cause a warning |
| 20:45.01 | RST38h | lardman: compare it to NULL |
| 20:45.06 | RST38h | lardman: and you should be fine |
| 20:45.26 | lardman | RST38h: hmm, NULL has the value 0, when malloc fails it appears to return -1 |
| 20:45.35 | lardman | RST38h: in 23bit form of course |
| 20:45.36 | RST38h | lardman: that is a wrong malloc |
| 20:45.45 | RST38h | 'cause good malloc returns null :) |
| 20:45.51 | lardman | RST38h: most things are wrong on a DSP ;) |
| 20:46.00 | RST38h | ok, do it this way: |
| 20:46.36 | RST38h | (unsigned int)PTR == 0xffffff |
| 20:46.38 | lardman | if(pointer=0x7fffff) or whatever the correct value is? |
| 20:46.57 | RST38h | the above comparison will work no matter what |
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| 20:54.50 | lardman | is beginning to wonder whether he can work out the relocation easily |
| 20:55.01 | lardman | had enough of all these dbg() [printf()] |
| 20:55.48 | lardman | wow, nearly worked |
| 20:56.37 | RST38h | I would go with printfs |
| 20:56.46 | RST38h | you already put some, just put some more |
| 20:57.28 | lcuk | ahhh printfs, like toilet roll after a curry, you can never have enough |
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| 20:57.56 | aquatix | lol |
| 20:59.07 | qwerty12_N800 | hates curry to the dismay of my relatives |
| 21:01.16 | lardman | the problem with printfs (or rather dbgs for the dsp) is that eventually you run out of space to store the static data |
| 21:01.29 | RST38h | well, remove some old ones |
| 21:01.42 | lardman | yeah, well with dsp-tremor I need most of them |
| 21:02.01 | RST38h | but you are specifically looking to solve the libmad problem |
| 21:02.07 | lardman | but yeah, comment out as I go along |
| 21:02.09 | RST38h | so just concentrate your printfs on it |
| 21:02.27 | lardman | oh no, it's on a per-task basis, just commenting on what happens eventually |
| 21:02.39 | lcuk | i thought i was a sucker for punishment, im ever surprised by how much pain you endure for that dsp lardman :) |
| 21:02.59 | RST38h | pain? |
| 21:03.00 | lardman | lcuk: it's a case of finishing what I've started |
| 21:03.07 | RST38h | he has got printfs and malloc and you call it pain? |
| 21:03.18 | lardman | I'd gladly bin the tremor stuff, no-one seems interested, I don't even use it |
| 21:03.24 | lcuk | oh yes, ive got a whole ui class structure to build yet .. |
| 21:03.34 | jott | yeah malloc is a gift :) |
| 21:03.47 | RST38h | his malloc returns -1 on failures though |
| 21:03.52 | lcuk | ive got the individual parts and they work alone, but ive just made a nice bit of glue :) |
| 21:04.03 | RST38h | prolly because his memory starts at 0 |
| 21:04.15 | lardman | RST38h: it seem to return a few different values actually, which is slightly worrying |
| 21:04.16 | lcuk | and ends at about 12 |
| 21:04.33 | lardman | yep, a whole 12 bytes to use :) |
| 21:04.48 | lardman | 0 is saved to check for null pointer errors of course |
| 21:04.59 | lcuk | lardman, do the pointers HAVE to be 16bit aligned and is the result returning odd valueson error |
| 21:05.27 | lcuk | or something equally pie in the sky |
| 21:05.34 | lardman | lcuk: well the byte is 16bits, I don't think it needs to be aligned though |
| 21:05.35 | RST38h | ok, this laptop is gonna die in a moment |
| 21:05.48 | lardman | RST38h: thanks for your help, before you go |
| 21:06.06 | derf | lardman: _I'm_ interested. |
| 21:06.28 | lardman | derf: ok :) not many people are interested then ;) |
| 21:06.56 | lardman | derf: with that said, I need to work out what I can remove from the memory allocation, and see if I can get away without going back to the slab allocator |
| 21:07.05 | derf | BTW, the QR code stuff is now correctly accounting for projective distortion and picking out all the alignment patterns. |
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| 21:07.17 | lardman | derf: great! :) |
| 21:07.18 | derf | All the remains is the actual decoding part. |
| 21:07.29 | lcuk | derf! excellent |
| 21:07.32 | jott | derf: sounds good! |
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| 21:07.37 | derf | Just that part was about 3000 lines of code. |
| 21:07.51 | jott | derf: how does it perform on the device? have you tried? |
| 21:07.57 | derf | jott: Not yet. |
| 21:08.24 | derf | It's pretty dang fast on the PC, though, except for the PNGs I'm writing out all over the place. |
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| 21:08.43 | derf | Just for added challenge, I'm also not using any floating point. |
| 21:09.06 | lardman | wonders if he's actually got some pcm out of the mad task |
| 21:09.28 | lardman | derf: Q31 or something like that? |
| 21:10.08 | derf | lardman: Much more complicated than that. |
| 21:10.12 | lardman | :) |
| 21:10.18 | jott | wizardry!! |
| 21:10.18 | lardman | ? |
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| 21:11.26 | derf | I actually don't use any 32x32->64 bit multiplies at all. |
| 21:11.50 | derf | Which I was fairly surprised to be able to get away with. |
| 21:12.35 | ccooke | laughs |
| 21:12.47 | lcuk | derf, what are you using to write pngs, gstreamer? |
| 21:12.55 | derf | lcuk: libpng. |
| 21:13.01 | ccooke | The correct solution for a CGI program running on my tablet is, of course, to have the CGI script run bash... |
| 21:13.06 | derf | It's just for debugging. |
| 21:13.48 | lcuk | i couldnt get that initialized, can you tell me what libs and flags you use |
| 21:14.04 | derf | Initialized? |
| 21:14.05 | lcuk | ive got it installed but couldnt find a -dev package for it |
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| 21:14.52 | lcuk | yer, ive got jpeg loading code and a block of png loading code using libpng, but i cant find the -dev so have no headers or objects |
| 21:15.00 | lardman | http://maemo.pastebin.com/m718ceb30 a lack of major errors which is nice |
| 21:15.17 | derf | libpng12-dev - PNG library - development |
| 21:15.28 | derf | I just link with -lpng |
| 21:15.48 | lcuk | :( apt-cache search libpng12-dev |
| 21:15.48 | lcuk | Nokia-N810-23-14:/media/mmc1/liqbase_www_jpeg# |
| 21:16.07 | derf | That was |
| 21:16.08 | derf | [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: ~] > apt-cache search png |
| 21:16.08 | lcuk | can you pastebin your sources ? :) |
| 21:16.39 | lcuk | evas and the runtime |
| 21:16.39 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: quick + dirty way : http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/libp/libpng3/ |
| 21:17.01 | derf | It's just r.m.o, the sdk binaries, and deb http://tuomas.kulve.fi/debian/ chinook maemo |
| 21:17.19 | derf | (Yes, I know Chinook is old, but I'm too lazy to upgrade) |
| 21:18.27 | lardman | how weird, when I remove the comments from the various fns I get a translation error, but with them, it runs ok |
| 21:18.29 | lcuk | hmmm, thats why then - im only using the defaults, qwerty12_N800 how do i convert that path to a proper repo deb line |
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| 21:18.40 | lardman | I wonder if my compiler is compiling something away that it shouldn't |
| 21:18.51 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: wait a sec, i've got it here |
| 21:18.55 | lcuk | ta |
| 21:20.35 | qwerty12_N800 | ~lart h-a-m |
| 21:20.35 | infobot | holds h-a-m to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails |
| 21:21.03 | lardman | the chimp? |
| 21:21.31 | lcuk | i think hes trying to cut n paste from app manager |
| 21:21.36 | lcuk | i just tried this and it failed |
| 21:21.36 | lcuk | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ diablo free non-free |
| 21:22.14 | qwerty12_N800 | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ diablo sdk/free tools/free sdk/non-free tools/non-free |
| 21:22.30 | lcuk | thanks :D |
| 21:22.59 | lcuk | oh look :D libpng12-dev - PNG library - development |
| 21:23.46 | lcuk | knows where he went wrong |
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| 21:24.32 | lcuk | derf, without you i wouldnt have realised i needed the 12 |
| 21:24.35 | lcuk | \o/ |
| 21:24.40 | lcuk | runs to put it in |
| 21:25.46 | liri | is anybody using the GPE calendar with google sync? |
| 21:27.27 | qwerty12_N800 | curses after finding out dpkg-dev will take 30MB of space on the / |
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| 21:29.51 | sp3000 | giggles |
| 21:30.54 | sp3000 | so first I'm like ok meh mark goes off on a rant when seeing something he disagrees with in a conversation |
| 21:31.49 | sp3000 | then I'm like ok wtf mark goes off on roughly the same rant one intervening message and 33 minutes later when seeing something he agrees with in the same conversation |
| 21:32.07 | sp3000 | some people get all the energy :P |
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| 21:33.56 | ccooke | IS there a decent superserver for maemo? |
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| 21:34.39 | qwerty12_N800 | Does anyone happen to have a dpkg-repack package? |
| 21:35.30 | sp3000 | (preferably dpkg-repacked, for that distinctive flavor of recursion) |
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| 21:36.00 | ccooke | qwerty12_N800: no, but you can script up a substitute pretty easily |
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| 21:36.33 | sp3000 | oops, two messages and 92 minutes later, let's not be unfair here |
| 21:36.44 | qwerty12_N800 | ccooke: Heh, probably not me :/. I'll hit up the sbox in the morning. |
| 21:36.50 | lardman | ow, just deafened myself with very loud static |
| 21:37.19 | ccooke | qwerty12_N800: if you can't find one, remind me - I've probably got a script for it lying around somewhere |
| 21:37.32 | ccooke | does a lot of shell scripting |
| 21:37.38 | qwerty12_N800 | lardman: /Now/, would you rather listen to my music? ;P |
| 21:37.57 | qwerty12_N800 | ccooke: Might take you up on that, thanks. |
| 21:38.04 | sp3000 | qwerty12_N800: isn't that what he said he just did :P |
| 21:38.26 | qwerty12_N800 | sp3000: :P |
| 21:38.29 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: yeah, might sound better now too! ;p |
| 21:39.15 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe, I did the same thing. mplayer rc2, a2dp, full volume... |
| 21:39.42 | ccooke | How's a2dp support coming along? Still a massive battery drain |
| 21:39.43 | ccooke | ? |
| 21:40.56 | lardman | ccooke: I've not tested the battery life using the DSP, if anyone is bored and fancies doing a comparison I'd like to hear |
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| 21:41.55 | ccooke | Damn. It looks like there's no inetd already ported to maemo. Is that the case, or am I just blind? |
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| 21:43.44 | jott | qwerty12_N800: http://outpo.st/dpkg-repack_1.28_all.deb but you need a gnu tar in /bin/tar for it... |
| 21:44.17 | qwerty12_N800 | jott: thanks! already got gnutar symlinked there :) |
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| 21:49.11 | lcuk | balls! |
| 21:49.31 | qwerty12_N800 | prefers saying bollocks |
| 21:49.48 | elekt | pollocks! |
| 21:50.01 | elekt | throws paint @ #maemo |
| 21:50.07 | jott | quark! |
| 21:50.20 | elekt | frak? |
| 21:50.29 | lcuk | if i am to do alpha blending using a proper alpha channel source i need to allocate 5 bitplanes! |
| 21:50.35 | lcuk | :D frak |
| 21:50.44 | lcuk | shoots a cylon |
| 21:51.01 | jott | hands lcuk a towel |
| 21:51.12 | jott | better stuff your bitplanes on it |
| 21:51.26 | jott | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:51.45 | lcuk | its not a problem, but its a glitch in my plan |
| 21:52.44 | lcuk | because the UV planes are each half resolution, i cannot simply pass a reference to the primary alpha - the routine would not know how to handle a double res plane (some of the time) |
| 21:52.58 | lcuk | and rather than fucking im just gonna allocate an extra half res one |
| 21:53.34 | jott | lcuk: maybe alpha in uv resolution is sufficient? |
| 21:53.36 | lcuk | its all derfs fault though for mentioning saving pngs |
| 21:54.27 | lcuk | maybe,but then the function which blends a single channel bitplane (Y or U or V) would still need to know, this time do it at half resolution, and others do it at full |
| 21:54.39 | lcuk | but memory wise it would make things simpler |
| 21:55.20 | lcuk | yes jott, and it would hopefully allow a bit of optimisation |
| 21:55.35 | lcuk | excellent idea :) |
| 21:56.02 | lcuk | wasnt doing bitmaps tonight, ive got a style library to write |
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| 22:08.33 | konttori_ | Averyone seen this? http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3662 |
| 22:08.37 | konttori_ | koffice for maemo |
| 22:09.17 | konttori_ | Installation instructions: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3624 |
| 22:09.27 | konttori_ | (contains repository links) |
| 22:09.46 | konttori_ | perhaps someone could make a .install link for the guy |
| 22:10.49 | qwerty12-N800 | Sounds like Mek on here :> |
| 22:11.16 | Mek | yeah, that is my blog :) |
| 22:12.04 | qwerty12-N800 | Nice work , I think I just need to set up an mmc boot :) |
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| 22:15.31 | sp3000 | gets personal on -users |
| 22:15.38 | sp3000 | someone tie my hands now |
| 22:15.43 | jott | ignores -users |
| 22:15.58 | jott | problem solved :) |
| 22:16.43 | jott | Mek: does it work with a wrapper script? |
| 22:19.36 | Mek | jott: that is still a bit tricky, as essentially it is only cmake that needs to run with the normal qemu, and everything else with the svn version, but that everything else includes programs that are build by cmake, so I need to do some cmake magic to change stuff between building and executing of them... |
| 22:20.09 | jott | yuk. |
| 22:20.16 | jott | ~lart qemu |
| 22:20.16 | infobot | slaps a compatible dib on qemu's head |
| 22:20.28 | Mek | perhaps I could write my own qemu-replacement binary that somehow decides based on what is being run which real qemu to exec |
| 22:20.57 | jott | Mek: would be great to know why qemu fails and have a proper fix.. |
| 22:21.11 | jott | or better why cmake fails under the cvs-m version.. |
| 22:21.21 | jott | (afair it worked for my - that is even stranger) |
| 22:21.43 | Mek | yeah... fixing qemu would of course be the best solution... |
| 22:23.33 | jott | Mek: oh, i just realized i gave you the wrong qemu... http://outpo.st/qemu-arm-0.9.2-svn was the one i meant... |
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| 22:25.02 | jott | that's a recent svn snapshot with some of the important patches backported by me. |
| 22:26.09 | jott | if it turns out that it works for you, it might be worth to double check the necessity of the patches i left out and make it proper... |
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| 22:27.10 | Mek | jott: uhm, that one only shows me usage information whenever I try to run something... |
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| 22:27.35 | jott | huh?! |
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| 22:27.49 | lcuk | :D heh, can anyone guess what the search and replace was: // blend blending from an actual blend channel |
| 22:27.52 | jott | is confused |
| 22:28.38 | jott | lcuk: will it blend? :) |
| 22:28.45 | lcuk | i think it will |
| 22:30.37 | jott | gna |
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| 22:55.17 | cactaur | Hey, does anyone know what the function of icd2 is on Diablo? |
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| 22:55.45 | qwerty12_N800 | Internetz |
| 22:56.11 | cactaur | Because it's currently running up about ~98% of the CPU according to top. |
| 22:56.37 | cactaur | And I'm not even connected yet. |
| 22:57.00 | jott | it tries so hard to get connected :) |
| 22:57.25 | jott | that does not sound normal though.. |
| 22:57.30 | Mek | jott: I think what might be happening is that scratchbox passes --sbox-call to qemu which perhaps your qemu version does not understand? |
| 22:57.39 | jott | Mek: yes. |
| 22:57.43 | jott | Mek: sorry. |
| 22:57.52 | jott | Mek: the first qemu was the right version. |
| 22:58.21 | jott | Mek: i mixed something up there - so apparently there is another patch missing. :( |
| 22:59.20 | Mek | okay, the first one exist with a "qemu: uncaught target signal 4 (Illegal instruction) - exiting" when trying to run a qt application (built with vfp like the packages currently are) |
| 22:59.28 | Mek | s/exist/exits |
| 22:59.31 | jott | yes. |
| 22:59.40 | jott | confirmed. |
| 23:00.49 | jott | i was pretty sure it worked once... bah.. |
| 23:01.16 | Mek | well, previously the qt packages didn't had vfp enabled, and everything just worked :) |
| 23:02.14 | jott | Mek: no with vfp ofcourse.. |
| 23:02.22 | Mek | ah, okay :) |
| 23:02.38 | jott | hates qemus crappieness |
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| 23:04.34 | jott | mhh |
| 23:05.04 | jott | http://qemu-arm-eabi.wiki.sourceforge.net/?f=print |
| 23:05.28 | jott | i thought this project was abandoned... |
| 23:05.37 | jott | they made some changes |
| 23:06.02 | jott | Mek: mind to test it? qmake works with it |
| 23:06.25 | jott | don't know about your cmake problem :d |
| 23:06.50 | Mek | I'll try it |
| 23:06.58 | jott | oh i actually tried the trunk version.. |
| 23:07.04 | jott | don't know if it is different |
| 23:07.17 | jott | there are a bunch of scripts in there... |
| 23:07.25 | jott | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.31 | lardman | night all |
| 23:07.56 | andre___ | party on. |
| 23:07.56 | jott | first run get-qemu.sh |
| 23:08.04 | jott | then build-* |
| 23:08.17 | Firebird | since were talking about qemu, how would one go about installing a qemu-arm binary, when ever I try to use one that I've installed it says cannot found even though the file (qemu) is there |
| 23:09.07 | jott | Firebird: installed where? and how? :) |
| 23:09.36 | Firebird | jott, copied it into devkits/cputrans/bin then added it to the methods file |
| 23:10.19 | jott | ok. |
| 23:10.20 | Firebird | it says "cannot find file/at/path/qemu-arm-blahblah" even though it does exist at that exact path |
| 23:10.33 | jott | is it executable? |
| 23:10.38 | Firebird | yep |
| 23:10.50 | Firebird | I can even run it manually |
| 23:10.57 | jott | which qemu did you use? |
| 23:11.04 | Firebird | from source |
| 23:11.07 | Firebird | 0.9.1 |
| 23:11.09 | jott | the vanilla svn version does not work |
| 23:11.20 | jott | sbox uses a couple of patches |
| 23:11.50 | Firebird | so I need to apply those patches? |
| 23:11.55 | jott | yes |
| 23:11.59 | jott | http://qemu-arm-eabi.wiki.sourceforge.net/ |
| 23:12.01 | Firebird | ah |
| 23:12.20 | *** join/#maemo crashanddie (n=crashand@SecuraBit/listener/crashanddie) |
| 23:12.21 | jott | i just realized that they maintain newer patches as it seems. |
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| 23:14.44 | jott | well actually the qemu-erm-eabi is at r4993 and upstream is at r5181 |
| 23:15.21 | jott | i guess it's just a matter of luck that you find a qemu that works with all the applications *you* use :/ |
| 23:16.44 | Mek | jott: yay, that version seems to at least work better than anything so far :) |
| 23:16.49 | jott | woot |
| 23:16.54 | jott | ok good news ;) |
| 23:17.04 | jott | still a messy situation.. |
| 23:17.43 | jott | i guess this need to be documented somewhere :/ |
| 23:17.59 | *** part/#maemo cactaur (n=gregory@unaffiliated/cactaur) |
| 23:18.38 | Mek | yeah... I guess if tonight my entire kde build suceeds I'll blog about this tomorrow... |
| 23:18.48 | jott | Mek: sweet. |
| 23:19.02 | GeneralAntilles | oh dear christ |
| 23:19.08 | jott | have you a working digikam? :) |
| 23:19.23 | Mek | I do, why? |
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| 23:19.57 | GeneralAntilles | doesn't know how anybody deals with -users. |
| 23:20.00 | jott | ah like to play with it. as maemo misses a decent "basic" photo editor... |
| 23:20.43 | GeneralAntilles | andre___, isn't Mark just such a wonderful person? :P |
| 23:20.58 | jott | lol quim spammed my planet feed :p |
| 23:21.16 | andre___ | *shrug* I just wonder if I should reply an "I meant everything as I wrote it, and I'm a native speaker of course" |
| 23:21.36 | andre___ | but in general, I don't care that much. Had enough conflicts in the last days, one more or less... don't care... |
| 23:21.59 | jott | Mek: it's not your repo yet :/ |
| 23:22.25 | GeneralAntilles | I hate that guy. |
| 23:22.33 | GeneralAntilles | He turns every discussion he's involved in into a flamewar |
| 23:22.45 | andre___ | haha |
| 23:22.52 | andre___ | ok, i should reply then ;-)) |
| 23:22.57 | GeneralAntilles | He's really an ass |
| 23:23.33 | GeneralAntilles | that likes to trumpet himself as a crusader for the protection of the common man from the horrible oppressive geeks. |
| 23:28.34 | andre___ | done. cigarette, sleep, breakfast, work. now that's a plan! |
| 23:28.45 | GeneralAntilles | Woo |
| 23:29.09 | andre___ | hej, you wrote a message too :) |
| 23:29.33 | GeneralAntilles | I probably shouldn't have |
| 23:29.37 | GeneralAntilles | but I'm so sick of his BS. |
| 23:31.04 | andre___ | I can only answer "*shrug*" on such stuff. Seen too many flamewars in the last years, don't get sick anymore, it just bores me :) |
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| 23:40.11 | sp3000 | comes back from tv |
| 23:40.19 | sp3000 | I didn't stir anything did I? |
| 23:40.28 | sp3000 | toldya shoulda tied me up :P |
| 23:42.10 | GeneralAntilles | sp3000, nah, he can stir even the most innocuous little things into a shitstorm, all on his own. |
| 23:42.29 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, that's the overreaction reaction I reflexively respond to. |
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| 23:44.27 | andre___ | "overreaction reaction", heh... "I misunderestimated that." |
| 23:45.04 | crashanddie | eh? |
| 23:45.08 | crashanddie | who hates me? |
| 23:45.10 | GeneralAntilles | When I tried to describe it this morning, it turned into GeneralAntilles == Darius |
| 23:45.20 | GeneralAntilles | My attempts at greater precision have failed. :P |
| 23:46.22 | andre___ | having several accounts/identities on one mailing list and starting flamewars with oneself? |
| 23:46.27 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, ??? |
| 23:46.30 | andre___ | oh, you good old scriptkiddie times :-D |
| 23:46.42 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, check -users. |
| 23:47.03 | crashanddie | erhm |
| 23:47.08 | crashanddie | link? :-° |
| 23:47.40 | GeneralAntilles | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-users/2008-September/022404.html |
| 23:48.14 | andre___ | well, I AM arrogant. no need to discuss that :-P |
| 23:48.35 | GeneralAntilles | This sort of shit is why I jump to the conclusion that responses that seem over-the-top are over-the-top (like your IRC message this morning). |
| 23:49.35 | crashanddie | oooh |
| 23:49.36 | andre___ | wonders who "you" is and which timezone "morning" refers to |
| 23:50.26 | crashanddie | andre___, I was a bit mischievous this morning on -developers, and challenged ideas about #maemo being part of maemo.org or the widespread Maemo Community |
| 23:51.13 | andre___ | ah |
| 23:51.42 | andre___ | yeah, saw that |
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| 23:52.46 | sp3000 | that said, mail usage is a shitstorm by its nature |
| 23:53.11 | sp3000 | people have their own personal crazy workflows and setups that conflict with each other |
| 23:53.31 | crashanddie | you get that on each medium |
| 23:53.51 | sp3000 | although the modest account switching thing (haven't personally met it) doesn't sound like something that really serves any case beautifully |
| 23:54.07 | crashanddie | half reading on IRC cuz you have meat in the pan, faulty argumentation cuz you want to prove a point on the mailing list because you want to catch the last bus |
| 23:54.11 | sp3000 | I dunno, mail seems to get it more than others |
| 23:54.29 | crashanddie | people should just learn to stfu sometimes, especially on mailing list, you have the time to ponder your ideas and formulate them |
| 23:54.44 | GeneralAntilles | Mailing lists are weird like that |
| 23:54.53 | GeneralAntilles | They tend to drag in the strangest types of people |
| 23:54.54 | crashanddie | but there's one thing that annoys the fuck out of me on the mailing lists |
| 23:55.04 | crashanddie | QUOTING! |
| 23:55.05 | GeneralAntilles | IRC and forums are more consistent. |
| 23:55.11 | sp3000 | hahaha |
| 23:55.26 | sp3000 | QUOTEFIGHT |
| 23:55.31 | GeneralAntilles | doesn't come from a mailing list background and is probably doing it wrong. |
| 23:55.32 | crashanddie | you see emails with a 300lines+ trailing message |
| 23:55.53 | derf | GeneralAntilles: Just don't top-post and there won't be any blood. |
| 23:56.04 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, haven't done any of that. |
| 23:56.07 | sp3000 | the nice thing with irc is proper asshats get out of hand and then banned in real time with relatively little drama |
| 23:56.19 | GeneralAntilles | I tend to delete a lot of cruft when I'm quoting |
| 23:56.31 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, which is the correct way of doing things |
| 23:56.36 | GeneralAntilles | I've no idea why a lot of people insist on quoting automatically generated signatures. |
| 23:57.23 | crashanddie | Less than 10 lines of quoting + bottom-posting = perfect, 10-20 lines of quoting + bottom-quoting = ~medium, but depends on quality of signal, 20+ lines of quoting or top-quoting = nightmare |
| 23:57.58 | crashanddie | signatures = less than 4 lines |
| 23:58.14 | crashanddie | no, me a newsgroup moderator? No way ;) |
| 23:59.00 | GeneralAntilles | The "CONFIDENTIAL AND PRIVATE" signatures crack me up. |
| 23:59.54 | sp3000 | I can't fucking believe it |
| 23:59.58 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, they're the most stupid thing invented since the marketing-driven 3+ blades razors |
