| 00:00.12 | *** join/#maemo crashanddie (n=crashand@SecuraBit/listener/crashanddie) |
| 00:00.21 | GeneralAntilles | I want to leave the thing plugged in and turned on |
| 00:00.27 | GeneralAntilles | but can't really do that if it's just sitting out |
| 00:00.31 | GeneralAntilles | especially with the cat around. |
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| 00:05.12 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, how's your beagle doing? |
| 00:05.38 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.flickr.com/photos/geneneralantilles/tags/beagleboard |
| 00:05.39 | GeneralAntilles | better |
| 00:05.46 | GeneralAntilles | Booting now with workable USB |
| 00:06.00 | crashanddie | Oops! Looks like you followed a bad link. |
| 00:06.06 | GeneralAntilles | Now I've got to figure how to get either the Bluetooth or Wifi adopters working |
| 00:06.11 | jott | the geneneneneneral! :) |
| 00:06.15 | crashanddie | lol at genene |
| 00:06.20 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/tags/beagleboard/ |
| 00:06.28 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 00:07.38 | jott | GeneralAntilles: why not get a simple aluminium case or something? |
| 00:07.45 | jott | should be available for a few bucks. |
| 00:07.52 | GeneralAntilles | Any recommended sources? |
| 00:07.55 | jott | just drill some holes in it :) |
| 00:07.55 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, I love your desktop setup |
| 00:08.08 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, it's entirely obscene. |
| 00:08.34 | crashanddie | well, the 3 flat screen + the IBM M keyboard = awesomeness |
| 00:08.43 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/setupfeb08.jpg |
| 00:08.48 | GeneralAntilles | There's two more. . . . <_< |
| 00:09.05 | crashanddie | deblet worked out of the box? |
| 00:09.19 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 00:09.31 | crashanddie | That's pretty awesome |
| 00:09.56 | crashanddie | drools at the speakers |
| 00:09.59 | lcuk | thats wicked |
| 00:10.11 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, nice pussy |
| 00:10.22 | GeneralAntilles | :P |
| 00:10.27 | GeneralAntilles | I love teh Axioms |
| 00:10.31 | lcuk | i just had a thought - you know this guy thats talking about the extension bettery thing for memory sticks |
| 00:10.50 | jott | hehe the table seems a bit out of style for the setup :) |
| 00:10.52 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, im thinking this based on yours |
| 00:11.11 | GeneralAntilles | jott, I need more table. |
| 00:11.29 | lcuk | would it be good to have a proper power dock on the bottom of the device |
| 00:11.47 | lcuk | rather than clunky one we have currently |
| 00:15.52 | lcuk | gen wtf is this? http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/2798380464/sizes/l/in/photostream/ |
| 00:16.03 | GeneralAntilles | I should probably tag it. |
| 00:16.11 | lcuk | you need to kill it |
| 00:16.15 | GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_crab |
| 00:16.17 | GeneralAntilles | It's dead |
| 00:16.25 | lcuk | thats for the best |
| 00:16.32 | GeneralAntilles | That's just a baby one. |
| 00:16.44 | jott | i would just bring a xkcd reference .. http://xkcd.com/331/ |
| 00:16.46 | lcuk | for context, how large was that - in nokia internet tablet units please |
| 00:16.48 | jott | :) |
| 00:17.43 | GeneralAntilles | A little less than 1 tablet |
| 00:17.47 | GeneralAntilles | That's seagrass around it. |
| 00:18.46 | lcuk | do those demons of the night visit often? |
| 00:18.54 | GeneralAntilles | Sometimes |
| 00:18.59 | lcuk | shudders |
| 00:19.05 | GeneralAntilles | They come and go every couple years. |
| 00:19.12 | GeneralAntilles | They're really not particularly exciting |
| 00:19.13 | lcuk | do flamethrowers work? |
| 00:19.15 | GeneralAntilles | Can't hurt you. |
| 00:19.30 | GeneralAntilles | Full grown: http://www.flickr.com/photos/shane613/2725872879/ |
| 00:20.02 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.flickr.com/photos/alwright1/2754842965/ "hai lcuk" |
| 00:20.03 | lcuk | my missus is afraid of the common little house spider, i am fine with small scale, however an irrational fear of evil things with more legs than me is overpowering |
| 00:20.03 | jott | http://ahscares.org/images/HP-horseshoeCrabInside.jpg hm :) |
| 00:20.28 | lcuk | side on it looks cute |
| 00:20.29 | GeneralAntilles | jott, that's unusually large |
| 00:20.42 | GeneralAntilles | Probably about 2x the size of the ones you see around here. |
| 00:20.48 | lcuk | or he is a midget |
| 00:20.52 | jaska | cute |
| 00:21.33 | lcuk | i couldnt kill the side on one immediately, but if i saw it from above i would think it was an alien |
| 00:23.09 | lcuk | \@/ Horseshoe crabs possess the rare ability to regrow lost limbs, |
| 00:23.23 | lcuk | f***ers won't die |
| 00:23.47 | jott | they are known to eat souls. |
| 00:25.11 | lcuk | its like spiders in tanks - GeneralAntilles how fast do they run? |
| 00:25.26 | GeneralAntilles | Slow |
| 00:25.28 | GeneralAntilles | Very slow |
| 00:25.49 | GeneralAntilles | Not like a blue crab'll dart at you. ;) |
| 00:26.21 | doc|home | fuckers won't die, ugly as sin, eat souls, sounds like cheney, has someone put a mask on one and made it vp? |
| 00:29.07 | jott | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrrYtOc6Y0c and they are heavily into group sex :p |
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| 00:30.40 | mzechner | greetings |
| 00:31.07 | jott | hello. |
| 00:31.19 | Mikho | hard horseshoe crab action! |
| 00:31.35 | GeneralAntilles | I wonder about you sometimes, jott. . . . :P |
| 00:32.16 | jott | it's not my fault it comes as second result on youtube :p |
| 00:36.19 | mzechner | i got a small question on the powervr chip. i did some research and found this https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Drivers_justification on the wiki. is anyone aware of any news on that topic? the last modification dates back to july as far as i can see |
| 00:36.35 | GeneralAntilles | mzechner, everything relevant is on that page and its associated talk page. |
| 00:36.55 | GeneralAntilles | There will likely be more news after the Maemo Summit on the 19th. |
| 00:37.45 | mzechner | great, i'd really appreciate powervr drivers with opengl es bindings :) |
| 00:38.00 | mzechner | lets hope for the best |
| 00:38.37 | GeneralAntilles | I really hate that the bugzilla quicksearch only searches open bugs. |
| 00:38.54 | jott | indeed. |
| 00:39.47 | GeneralAntilles | It might make sense for a bugzilla with 5 or 6 figures |
| 00:39.49 | GeneralAntilles | But not ours. |
| 00:40.46 | jott | i think it almost always makes sense when they are clearly marked closed (like light gray text or striked) |
| 00:41.12 | jott | and put at the end of the list |
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| 00:41.21 | crashanddie | btw guys |
| 00:41.24 | crashanddie | may I just take a moment |
| 00:41.31 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 00:41.36 | GeneralAntilles | Every moment is precious. |
| 00:41.37 | crashanddie | to point how hard Darius makes me laugh |
| 00:41.41 | crashanddie | point out** |
| 00:41.50 | GeneralAntilles | He was funnier earlier in the year. |
| 00:41.54 | GeneralAntilles | Now he's just irritating. |
| 00:42.02 | crashanddie | yeah well I just noticed there was -developer |
| 00:42.05 | crashanddie | :-° |
| 00:42.22 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, if you want more laughs, search for some of his earlier stuff on itT. |
| 00:42.34 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, I have, don't worry |
| 00:42.36 | mdg | Hello! I have a Nokia 770 and I was wondering what OS I can update to? |
| 00:42.44 | GeneralAntilles | Any, actually. |
| 00:42.45 | crashanddie | mdg, hi, welcome |
| 00:42.45 | GeneralAntilles | ~flashing |
| 00:42.46 | infobot | well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 00:43.22 | mdg | will my 770 then be able to play flash videos? |
| 00:43.32 | GeneralAntilles | You'll need to install mplayer |
| 00:43.36 | crashanddie | mdg, performance won't be good |
| 00:43.40 | GeneralAntilles | not in the browser, anyway. |
| 00:43.56 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, there's greasemonkey for microb, right? |
| 00:44.02 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 00:44.04 | GeneralAntilles | It's slow |
| 00:44.07 | mdg | so I would need to download the file and then play it in mplayer for best performance? |
| 00:44.24 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, do you know if it's possible to have an mplayer plugin for microb? |
| 00:44.36 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, there is one. |
| 00:44.40 | GeneralAntilles | mdg, yes. |
| 00:44.47 | GeneralAntilles | Or there are some applications that'll handle it |
| 00:44.48 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, cuz I have this greasemonkey script that loads up mplayer to play the video rather than flash |
| 00:44.50 | GeneralAntilles | UKTube |
| 00:44.52 | GeneralAntilles | Canola |
| 00:44.56 | GeneralAntilles | MyTube |
| 00:45.53 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, might be worth it to try it out... |
| 00:45.58 | mdg | I have another question about accessing clear channel streaming radio station content - is that possible now? |
| 00:46.15 | crashanddie | clear channel? |
| 00:46.21 | GeneralAntilles | I dunno, what does clear channel stream in? |
| 00:46.36 | GeneralAntilles | Probably something shitty and Windows-only know Clear Channel. |
| 00:46.50 | mdg | yes, shifty! |
| 00:47.17 | GeneralAntilles | s/know/knowing/ |
| 00:47.25 | mdg | the link is buried a couple layers deep and its picky about launching its player in a window |
| 00:47.31 | GeneralAntilles | This one's a classic: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11800 |
| 00:48.21 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, but not only are his stories to die for, his writing abilities are just classic |
| 00:49.30 | GeneralAntilles | can't decide if he wants to make peach cobbler or just eat the peaches straight. |
| 00:52.12 | mdg | Do many people still use 770s? |
| 00:52.41 | crashanddie | they're still around |
| 00:53.17 | mdg | people have much luck with things like skype and googletalk? |
| 00:53.50 | crashanddie | I only own the n810, so I couldn't say, really |
| 00:54.11 | mzechner | btw, is there any cheap way to replace a 770's display? i got my old one laying around and it's suffered a 'bit' |
| 00:54.22 | mdg | I was trying to decide what kind of headset I would need if I were trying googletalk |
| 00:55.08 | mzechner | would be a shame to let it die |
| 00:56.15 | mdg | anyone every hacked one to use as a virtual chumbie or whatever it was called? |
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| 00:59.14 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, this is the best ever |
| 00:59.17 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=141027#post141027 |
| 01:00.21 | GeneralAntilles | mzechner, no, not really. |
| 01:00.36 | GeneralAntilles | You could buy a parts 770 off eBay, I suppose |
| 01:00.58 | GeneralAntilles | Somewhat delicate replacement procedure, though. |
| 01:00.58 | crashanddie | not really |
| 01:00.58 | GeneralAntilles | mdg, Skype is mostly a non-starter on the 770. |
| 01:01.00 | GeneralAntilles | GTalk is a little better. |
| 01:01.09 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, small parts, fragile connectors. |
| 01:01.25 | mzechner | nah, i guess it will serve as a server then |
| 01:01.33 | crashanddie | bleh, you obviously never had to play around with a broken laptop :P |
| 01:01.38 | GeneralAntilles | mdg, my personal recommendation is to find yourself a used N800 and upgrade ASAP. ;) |
| 01:01.43 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, I've played with several. |
| 01:02.26 | GeneralAntilles | Replaced the LCD on an old iBook |
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| 01:02.28 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, best hack up till now, transfer a laptop into a HD projector |
| 01:02.35 | GeneralAntilles | and a backlight capacitor on an old PowerBook. |
| 01:02.38 | crashanddie | s/transfer/transform/ |
| 01:03.34 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, Pleas stop. :P |
| 01:03.46 | crashanddie | :'( |
| 01:03.58 | crashanddie | but i luvz uuuu |
| 01:04.15 | GeneralAntilles | Darius is such a nutter |
| 01:04.27 | GeneralAntilles | I wish those Polish rants fanoush found had been translated. |
| 01:04.49 | crashanddie | "What you call blogs is information noise generated by private persons. Blogs are ok" |
| 01:05.24 | crashanddie | anti-these much? |
| 01:05.52 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, yeah I found some of them, one of my roomies is polish, I can give her a fag and tell her to do it |
| 01:06.11 | mdg | there seems to be a problem with the page about updating firmware - I'm getting nothing |
| 01:06.20 | crashanddie | she's usually paid half a buck an hour anyway, so it's a win-win situation anyway |
| 01:06.28 | crashanddie | mdg, refresh it |
| 01:07.18 | GeneralAntilles | mdg, there are some apache issues with the wiki |
| 01:07.30 | GeneralAntilles | waiting on server upgrades that are coming in the next few weeks for a real fix |
| 01:07.36 | GeneralAntilles | just refresh if you get blank pages or error pages. |
| 01:07.59 | mdg | still nothing after refreshing |
| 01:09.05 | GeneralAntilles | Cache, probably. |
| 01:09.09 | GeneralAntilles | shift-refresh |
| 01:09.37 | crashanddie | or ctrl-refresh |
| 01:09.43 | mdg | okay, I'll try shift refresh |
| 01:10.23 | mdg | that worked! Thanks!!! |
| 01:12.14 | crashanddie | mdg, the server is a bit sick. They're trying to feed the hamster, but it won't eat. We're working on it. |
| 01:12.43 | mdg | LOL Poor litttle guy! |
| 01:13.20 | GeneralAntilles | We're lucky 770s are so low power, else the server wouldn't be up at all. ;) |
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| 01:15.56 | mdg | LOL |
| 01:16.38 | mdg | anybody found a really good keyboard hack for the 770? |
| 01:18.43 | GeneralAntilles | To attach a keyboard? |
| 01:18.45 | GeneralAntilles | No, not really. |
| 01:18.53 | GeneralAntilles | Logitech has that little Bluetooth one for $150 |
| 01:21.57 | mdg | oh. Okay |
| 01:22.25 | GeneralAntilles | Otherwise you can grab an iGo stowaway or the Apple BT keyboard. |
| 01:22.32 | GeneralAntilles | Stowaway for compact, foldable |
| 01:22.37 | GeneralAntilles | Apple for laptop-size |
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| 01:25.24 | mdg | Apple BT? |
| 01:25.31 | mdg | I'll have to google that |
| 01:25.46 | crashanddie | I have the Apple BT one for the PS3 |
| 01:25.53 | crashanddie | very comfortable, easy to sit on your lap |
| 01:26.18 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.apple.com/keyboard/ |
| 01:29.02 | mdg | I think I'll go with the apple - it can also be a backup for my old, old iMac |
| 01:32.34 | mdg | Thanks for all the great help! I'm sure I'll be back after I get my 770 flashed. Y'all have a great evening! |
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| 01:33.55 | GeneralAntilles | Mmm |
| 01:34.00 | GeneralAntilles | I love cheeseburgers |
| 01:34.04 | GeneralAntilles | too bad they make such a mess. |
| 01:35.49 | timsamoff | Arg. Having mmc1 read-only issues again. |
| 01:36.27 | GeneralAntilles | Hit it with a stick. |
| 01:36.49 | timsamoff | Stick in hand. |
| 01:37.09 | GeneralAntilles | You check the fs? |
| 01:37.55 | timsamoff | Not yet. I'm lounging... But can't read any emails in Claws. Annoying! |
| 01:38.12 | timsamoff | Er, checking now. |
| 01:38.16 | GeneralAntilles | umount /media/mmc1 |
| 01:38.21 | GeneralAntilles | fsck /dev/mmcblk1p1 |
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| 01:38.26 | GeneralAntilles | As root, of course. |
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| 01:42.17 | timsamoff | Ha! Gotta love when sh commands aren't recognized. I think a reboot is in order! |
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| 01:57.03 | brontide | Hey, anyone else have mytube here? |
| 02:01.12 | Proteous | I have yourtube |
| 02:01.20 | Proteous | yourmom gave it to me |
| 02:01.25 | Proteous | ... |
| 02:11.28 | acydlord | lol, i just had to check to see which channel i was in |
| 02:14.30 | Proteous | heh |
| 02:14.34 | Proteous | keeps it real |
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| 02:21.16 | brontide | I fixed it... a simple fix makes mytube download high-quality vids |
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| 02:55.26 | crashanddie | http://gizmodo.com/5046358/52+inch-sharp-aquos-hdtv-for-3845 |
| 02:55.53 | GeneralAntilles | BuyBuybUYBUYbuy |
| 02:56.00 | crashanddie | :D |
| 02:56.50 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, I was thinking |
| 02:57.34 | crashanddie | do you think we'll ever get to a point, we're just going to get a chip to connect to the TV/screen, and play our game, instead of a console with the game you swap? |
| 02:57.59 | crashanddie | I mean, we've all seen what the OMAP3 is capable of handling |
| 02:58.19 | GeneralAntilles | *ordered* |
| 02:58.22 | GeneralAntilles | We'll see what happens. |
| 02:58.27 | GeneralAntilles | I can always cancel if they change the price. |
| 02:58.39 | crashanddie | well |
| 02:58.50 | crashanddie | it just jumped from 18k to 600 most buyed item |
| 02:59.04 | crashanddie | I think they'll be running out of stock soon :D |
| 03:00.02 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 03:00.07 | GeneralAntilles | Guaranteed wont ship at the price |
| 03:00.12 | crashanddie | sure |
| 03:00.14 | GeneralAntilles | But who knows. |
| 03:00.22 | GeneralAntilles | There've been similar fuckups in the past that've ben honored. |
| 03:00.45 | crashanddie | well, people completed the whole process |
| 03:00.49 | crashanddie | they paid for it and everything |
| 03:01.02 | crashanddie | so won't they be obliged to honour it? |
| 03:01.13 | crashanddie | there must be some lawsuit you guys will be able to file :P |
| 03:01.30 | GeneralAntilles | I don't recall what the agreement says. |
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| 03:01.52 | crashanddie | If they start shipping them |
| 03:02.13 | crashanddie | I think we might as well mail all the paperwork for bankruptcy to the owner |
| 03:02.21 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 03:02.47 | darkblue_B | hello - if I want to run a python process for a long time, I would use screen from the root terminal perhaps ?? I dont see screen installed on my N800.. whats the best way to get it? thx |
| 03:03.18 | LinuxCode | crashanddie, I doubt US law is as generous as UK law |
| 03:03.47 | LinuxCode | in the US you can term and conditions your way out of everything Im sure |
| 03:04.06 | GeneralAntilles | I don't even have a place to put something that big. |
| 03:04.16 | crashanddie | LinuxCode, who are you and how the hell do you know I'm in the UK? :P |
| 03:04.29 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, I'm sure you'll find a way |
| 03:04.41 | LinuxCode | crashanddie, Im your father....DR Evil |
| 03:04.43 | GeneralAntilles | It wont fit in the home theater center at my parent's house, either. |
| 03:04.43 | darkblue_B | your signin on msg shows your IP number often.. |
| 03:04.47 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, and well, $2k bonus is never a bad thing, even if you sell it for $1k |
| 03:05.11 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 03:05.15 | GeneralAntilles | Sell it for a Mac Pro |
| 03:05.48 | crashanddie | darkblue_B, right, like he bothered to check the logs for a time my mask didn't pop in before I joined the channel, trace the IP to get my location, just to know how to phrase his thought |
| 03:05.50 | crashanddie | That makes sense |
| 03:06.20 | LinuxCode | Im in your head |
| 03:06.28 | darkblue_B | screen anyone? |
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| 03:06.33 | LinuxCode | reading your brainwaves |
| 03:06.43 | LinuxCode | hehe |
| 03:06.51 | crashanddie | darkblue_B, having a python process will probably drain your battery in a couple of hours |
| 03:07.06 | darkblue_B | hmm.. its ok.. |
| 03:07.11 | darkblue_B | I can manage t |
| 03:07.15 | darkblue_B | its for a demo |
| 03:07.27 | AStorm | uhm... why would it drain battery? |
| 03:07.48 | AStorm | it depends if it's actually consuming CPU time |
| 03:07.56 | AStorm | just having it in the background won't hurt |
| 03:07.58 | darkblue_B | I'm not that good with the repo system here.. so I am asking about where to find screen.. |
| 03:08.23 | darkblue_B | .. I notice its in the maemo.org/development/doc/man-pages |
| 03:08.40 | crashanddie | darkblue_B, I don't have it in my repos, sorry, can't help |
| 03:09.01 | crashanddie | AStorm, well, most python applets drain my battery quite heavily |
| 03:09.29 | darkblue_B | this is a light weight web server.. it may well be still when not used |
| 03:10.13 | darkblue_B | so .. I have to build screen? that doesnt seem right |
| 03:10.53 | crashanddie | darkblue_B, why do you need to screen it in the first place? |
| 03:11.02 | GeneralAntilles | Should be in the tools repo |
| 03:11.02 | AStorm | crashanddie: that's because they're using cairo? |
| 03:11.09 | AStorm | still, which python applets? |
| 03:11.41 | crashanddie | AStorm, HomeIP and HomeWE |
| 03:11.42 | darkblue_B | crashanddie: hmm, safer than the & backgrounder in the root shell |
| 03:12.08 | AStorm | crashanddie: they such due to other reasons |
| 03:12.12 | AStorm | *suck |
| 03:12.16 | crashanddie | darkblue_B, just make a proper daemon out of it (dunno if that's possible with python, guess so), and correct logging abilities |
| 03:12.23 | AStorm | it is possible |
| 03:12.30 | AStorm | with sys.fork I think |
| 03:12.38 | AStorm | there is syslog module too |
| 03:13.05 | darkblue_B | pointers welcome |
| 03:13.21 | darkblue_B | working source example more welcome! |
| 03:13.34 | crashanddie | darkblue_B, I know the easy way to go would be to screen it, but having a screen running is no more secure than having a desynched shell |
| 03:14.26 | crashanddie | darkblue_B, http://code.activestate.com/recipes/278731/ |
| 03:14.47 | crashanddie | darkblue_B, http://docs.python.org/lib/module-syslog.html |
| 03:14.55 | darkblue_B | looking.. btw- no screen in the tools repo that I see |
| 03:16.27 | darkblue_B | yow.. 'simple' eh? |
| 03:17.48 | crashanddie | is awkwardly helpful tonight |
| 03:18.38 | brontide | if it's a demo then just use a terminal session from a laptop or desktop |
| 03:19.31 | darkblue_B | well, the show goes like this.. I have the light weight server running on the N800.. there is a cusomt RESTful DB server on top of sqlite3 |
| 03:19.55 | darkblue_B | then I use my laptop and run the two web page clients |
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| 03:20.20 | _Tom | is there an IRC client for my n810? |
| 03:20.23 | darkblue_B | so I really dont use the terminal on the N800 at all , once its running |
| 03:20.56 | brontide | Why not use a terminal on the laptop and ssh to the n800 |
| 03:20.57 | darkblue_B | sqlite3 is built into recent python |
| 03:21.24 | darkblue_B | brontide: if I start the thing tonight.. I dont think I wl lhave to change anything for Monday |
| 03:21.42 | darkblue_B | I think it will run quietly |
| 03:21.59 | brontide | simple is use Xterminal on the n800 or use a ssh connection from a laptop |
| 03:22.22 | brontide | or properly daemonize the app |
| 03:22.38 | darkblue_B | ?? |
| 03:22.52 | darkblue_B | I am n on ssh now on the N800 from a laptop |
| 03:23.02 | darkblue_B | why connect later? I dont follow |
| 03:23.11 | darkblue_B | I just want to start it and leave it |
| 03:23.44 | brontide | Then use Xterminal and minimize the window... no need for screen |
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| 03:26.36 | darkblue_B | brontide: I dont see xterminal.. where do I get that? |
| 03:26.51 | brontide | utilities... it's installed by default |
| 03:27.01 | brontide | scroll down |
| 03:27.48 | darkblue_B | nope |
| 03:27.55 | darkblue_B | not finding it ??? |
| 03:28.27 | brontide | You do have os2008? |
| 03:29.00 | darkblue_B | yes, I believe I do.. how can I check? |
| 03:29.41 | brontide | then when you open your application menu on the left, select utilities, and then scroll down to the bottom on the right |
| 03:30.13 | darkblue_B | uuhhh |
| 03:30.19 | darkblue_B | you mean the terminal on the N800 |
| 03:30.24 | darkblue_B | not a remote xterminal |
| 03:30.27 | darkblue_B | ok |
| 03:30.39 | brontide | Yes, it's called Xterminal |
| 03:30.50 | brontide | sorry for the disconnect |
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| 03:35.28 | darkblue_B | ok, well working on the setup |
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| 03:44.42 | _Tom | um... does someone know if there is a IRC client available for the n810? |
| 03:44.56 | GAN800 | ~xchat |
| 03:44.56 | infobot | somebody said xchat was an IRC client for unix and windows at http://www.xchat.org or http://www.silverex.org/news/ |
| 03:45.04 | GAN800 | it's in Extras-devel |
| 03:45.07 | AStorm | ;) |
| 03:45.12 | GAN800 | ~extras |
| 03:45.12 | infobot | somebody said extras was http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras |
| 03:45.12 | AStorm | works quite good |
| 03:45.18 | crashanddie | that should be promoted though |
| 03:45.40 | _Tom | Thanks, thats wha I've been missing lately |
| 03:45.51 | GAN800 | Waiting on some packaging fixes |
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| 03:46.08 | GAN800 | Talk to mgedmin if you want to help. |
| 03:46.09 | _Tom | I use xchat, it works well |
| 03:46.10 | crashanddie | <-- still waiting for X-Fade to return |
| 03:46.23 | GAN800 | He should be back today |
| 03:46.24 | crashanddie | and I'll be able to push some packages :) |
| 03:46.32 | crashanddie | today? |
| 03:46.34 | GAN800 | Which probably translates to Momday. |
| 03:46.42 | crashanddie | Momday? |
| 03:46.46 | GAN800 | s/Mom/Mon/ |
| 03:46.50 | crashanddie | I thought that was around may |
| 03:47.08 | brontide | your Freudian slip is showing |
| 03:47.22 | AStorm | shoving you around |
| 03:49.08 | darkblue_B | brontide: bingo.. the server is running :-) |
| 03:49.28 | brontide | congrats, good luck on your demo |
| 03:49.47 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0010Z28XG/ref=s9sdps_c4_23_at2-rfc_g1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-4&pf_rd_r=1AR8VCNHZSTBFQ7V896H&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=425580501&pf_rd_i=507846 |
| 03:50.11 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, I know where Darius Jack lives |
| 03:50.25 | GeneralAntilles | You should go have tea with him. |
| 03:51.16 | _Tom | 16gb hdsc... sick$42 |
| 03:51.40 | crashanddie | _Tom, SD or microSD? |
| 03:51.51 | GeneralAntilles | SD |
| 03:51.52 | _Tom | oh... :( |
| 03:53.22 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, duntyawannano howadidit? |
| 03:53.27 | darkblue_B | process looks perfectly quiet to me |
| 03:53.48 | darkblue_B | top -b | grep ### |
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| 03:53.55 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, sure, Mr. PI. :P |
| 03:54.00 | crashanddie | hehe :P |
| 03:54.06 | crashanddie | hang on |
| 03:54.26 | crashanddie | trying a few things, if I'm (really) lucky, I should be able to pull out his real name/home address |
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| 03:59.51 | moontiger | GeneralAntilles, you remember that place you sent me a link to for the OTG usb adapters? |
| 04:00.02 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 04:00.14 | moontiger | heh well after 3 weeks of waiting they sent the wrong ones |
| 04:00.17 | moontiger | *sigh* |
| 04:00.31 | GeneralAntilles | Ouch |
| 04:00.44 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.electronicproductonline.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=35_67&products_id=2043 |
| 04:00.45 | moontiger | yah they sent for the n800 but i wanted for the n810 |
| 04:00.49 | GeneralAntilles | That looks better, though. |
| 04:00.53 | GeneralAntilles | Oh, uh, they sent the right one. |
| 04:00.56 | GeneralAntilles | There isn't one for the N810 yet. |
| 04:01.13 | moontiger | yah ... i sent them back :| |
| 04:01.18 | crashanddie | Darius Jack: 88.220.124.198. IE 7. Windows XP. |
| 04:01.22 | moontiger | how come there isnt one for n810 yet?? |
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| 04:01.38 | GeneralAntilles | So, you actually ORDERED the wrong one, they didn't SEND the wrong one. :P |
| 04:01.43 | GeneralAntilles | Jolouis is working on it. |
| 04:01.52 | GeneralAntilles | There's nobody that makes a MicroUSB adaptor of that type |
| 04:01.56 | GeneralAntilles | He's having them custom built |
| 04:02.00 | moontiger | well i THOUGHT it was for the n810 and i SWEAR i read it that way on the page |
| 04:02.03 | GeneralAntilles | You could probably pm or email him for details. |
| 04:02.27 | moontiger | i have a keyboard i want to use but it has a regular usb plug on it |
| 04:03.19 | moontiger | do you know how i can get in touch with him? |
| 04:03.28 | GeneralAntilles | I wonder what all the people thinking they want a Pandora think they're gonna get. |
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| 04:03.39 | GeneralAntilles | They do realize it just ships with a emulator loader, right? |
| 04:03.52 | bef0rd | http://www.electronicproductonline.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=2004 |
| 04:04.25 | _Tom | pandora? |
| 04:04.32 | GeneralAntilles | Krakow, crashanddie? |
| 04:04.42 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.openpandora.org/ |
| 04:05.11 | _Tom | looks cool |
| 04:05.20 | GeneralAntilles | Looks huge in that mockup at the top. |
| 04:05.45 | _Tom | linux? |
| 04:06.15 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, nope, actually, he's in the south of the country, near the Slovakian border |
| 04:06.21 | GeneralAntilles | _Tom, sort of. |
| 04:06.29 | GeneralAntilles | _Tom, it can run Linux |
| 04:06.32 | GeneralAntilles | But it doesn't ship with anything |
| 04:06.38 | GeneralAntilles | So you'll have to put something like Debian on it. |
| 04:07.01 | _Tom | no wimax :( |
| 04:07.12 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 04:07.17 | GeneralAntilles | No comment. |
| 04:07.23 | moontiger | bef0rd, yes thanks i saw that but i really dont want to have a frankenstein cable for my keyboard |
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| 04:09.44 | moontiger | GeneralAntilles, does the keyboard have {}[] keys and a tab? |
| 04:09.58 | bef0rd | moontiger, heh |
| 04:10.13 | GeneralAntilles | moontiger, I don't know. |
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| 04:10.41 | moontiger | i would still love to meet the sicko who decided not to have those keys on the n810 keyboard |
| 04:10.53 | GeneralAntilles | Well, obviously, Nokia's cellphone designers. |
| 04:11.03 | GeneralAntilles | Do you know of any cellphones with them? ;) |
| 04:11.04 | moontiger | sighs |
| 04:11.25 | GeneralAntilles | Stupid, maybe, but it does make sense. |
| 04:11.31 | moontiger | goes to look for bluetooth keyboards .... again |
| 04:11.36 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, well, Krakow was close enough I guess, but from what I can gather he lives under the juris-dick-tion of Bielsko-Biala |
| 04:11.48 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, go visit him. |
| 04:11.57 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, that's a long way from London :P |
| 04:12.01 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, especially for a troll |
| 04:12.09 | GeneralAntilles | Pfft |
| 04:12.11 | GeneralAntilles | It's nothing. |
| 04:12.14 | GeneralAntilles | Europe is small. |
| 04:12.26 | GeneralAntilles | You want to talk long ways, talk about flying coast to coast in the US. :P |
| 04:13.02 | crashanddie | 1,016 mi â about 16 hours 17 mins |
| 04:14.37 | GeneralAntilles | Drive time? |
| 04:14.43 | GeneralAntilles | Awfully slow airplane. |
| 04:14.45 | crashanddie | yup |
| 04:14.59 | GeneralAntilles | It's a perfect weekend trip. :P |
| 04:15.40 | crashanddie | I'm not taking travelling sarcasm from someone who won't even come to the Maemo Summit just because he wants to stay in his room |
| 04:16.07 | GeneralAntilles | Now, now. :P |
| 04:16.08 | darkblue_B | hmm sqlite3 appears to be running, too |
| 04:16.51 | GeneralAntilles | That's 22 hours, anyway. |
| 04:16.56 | GeneralAntilles | So your logic doesn't follow. |
| 04:17.38 | darkblue_B | "here's a chinook compile of sqlite3"... zip file |
| 04:17.44 | darkblue_B | how did they do that? |
| 04:17.57 | crashanddie | remarks: trouble: abuse,bug reports and spam notification: - mailto:abuse@exatel.pl |
| 04:18.07 | darkblue_B | it requires the pc dev environment? |
| 04:19.49 | crashanddie | anyway |
| 04:19.53 | crashanddie | 5:20AM |
| 04:19.57 | crashanddie | My work is done |
| 04:20.07 | GeneralAntilles | Go forth and sleep! |
| 04:20.23 | crashanddie | did you get my PM? |
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| 04:21.02 | GeneralAntilles | It's the johnx |
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| 04:27.34 | moontiger | GeneralAntilles, does the apple bluetooth keyboard work with the n810? |
| 04:27.39 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 04:27.41 | crashanddie | moontiger, yes |
| 04:27.46 | GeneralAntilles | It's a standard HID device |
| 04:28.01 | moontiger | do i have to re-compile the kernel or sacrifice my cat to get it working? |
| 04:28.37 | moontiger | can i remap the keys so i get a proper backspace key? |
| 04:29.04 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 04:29.09 | GeneralAntilles | It's a standard HID device |
| 04:29.15 | GeneralAntilles | xmodmap can do whatever you need. |
| 04:30.03 | moontiger | is anybody using one with the n810? |
| 04:30.33 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, lots of people |
| 04:30.37 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk is one. |
| 04:30.42 | GeneralAntilles | What do you mean by "proper" backspace, anyway? |
| 04:31.00 | moontiger | they only have the "delete on the spot" type of delete key |
| 04:31.23 | GeneralAntilles | The delete key above the backslash key is just a regular backspace key. |
| 04:31.31 | moontiger | goes to look |
| 04:31.37 | GeneralAntilles | Ignore whatever it's labeled as |
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| 04:31.52 | GeneralAntilles | Apple just uses different terminology. |
| 04:32.47 | moontiger | ok so that does backspace ... can i remap something to do delete then? |
| 04:33.05 | GeneralAntilles | Sure, you can remap whatever you want with xmodmap. |
| 04:33.16 | moontiger | even those weird keys along the top row? |
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| 04:33.43 | GeneralAntilles | Er, the function keys? :\ |
| 04:34.02 | moontiger | the thing top right next to f12 |
| 04:34.14 | GeneralAntilles | Should show as F13 |
| 04:34.28 | GeneralAntilles | fn-backspace will probably get you forward delete. |
| 04:34.31 | moontiger | awesome ... so its a good choice you would say? |
| 04:34.39 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, it's an excellent keyboard. |
| 04:34.50 | moontiger | ok schweet ... i'll get one ... thnx :) |
| 04:34.57 | moontiger | oh and they arent too big no? |
| 04:35.04 | GeneralAntilles | It's laptop sized. |
| 04:35.09 | AStorm | hehehe |
| 04:35.48 | moontiger | thank you for the info :) |
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| 05:36.54 | bef0rd | http://beford.org/stuff/n810.svg :P |
| 05:37.14 | GeneralAntilles | Mmm, purty. |
| 05:37.36 | GeneralAntilles | Think you could do a simplified one that'd work at ~40px? |
| 05:39.36 | Mikho | does anybody know if esbox supports eclipse 3.4? |
| 05:40.09 | Mikho | I'd like to set the DISPLAY variable, but unfortunately the environment preferences window is bugged and shows nothing |
| 05:47.07 | bef0rd | let me give it a try |
| 05:59.25 | Mikho | all right, looks like esbox does not support eclipse 3.4, and it doesn't even recognize the lack of support |
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| 06:18.27 | moontiger | Mikho, what u using eclipse for? |
| 06:19.58 | Mikho | software development |
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| 06:36.42 | moontiger | Mikho, what language? |
| 06:38.31 | Mikho | C++ |
| 06:39.39 | moontiger | and you like eclipse? |
| 06:41.20 | moontiger | have you tried the new sbox2 environment and anjuta? |
| 06:44.22 | Mikho | well, eclipse is good, but sloooooow |
| 06:45.04 | Mikho | i tried anjuta, i think, but there was something in it I didn't like |
| 06:46.36 | moontiger | there is a really nice plug-in for C with maemo cross compiling ... its fast and personally i love it |
| 06:47.33 | moontiger | the plug-in cross-compiles and makes a .deb package all in one |
| 06:47.38 | bef0rd | GeneralAntilles, http://beford.org/stuff/n810-2.svg ? |
| 06:48.03 | moontiger | bef0rd, wow thats really nice :) |
| 06:48.17 | GeneralAntilles | Not bad, I'd consider blanking the screen and maybe just outlining the keyboard. |
| 06:48.28 | GeneralAntilles | You should consider making a set that people can use, though. :D |
| 06:48.38 | moontiger | yah thats nice :) |
| 06:52.22 | Jaffa | Shiny |
| 06:53.15 | bef0rd | moontiger, thanks heh |
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| 08:10.32 | khertan | Hi ! |
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| 08:26.21 | GeneralAntilles | Khertan1, what's with the -developers mail? |
| 08:27.22 | qwerty12 | I think it was to do with "Stupid asshole could you stop spamming ... !" and Dave Neary sending an email... |
| 08:27.37 | qwerty12 | Which was a shame because I quite liked Khertan's email |
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| 08:33.55 | GeneralAntilles | Man, everybody needs to grow up. |
| 08:34.35 | qwerty12 | Darius's shit talking is an incentive to get pissed off though. |
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| 08:37.37 | aquatix | good morning all |
| 08:38.49 | qwerty12 | ~seen solmumaha |
| 08:38.52 | infobot | solmumaha <n=solmis@BSN-95-241-94.static.dsl.siol.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 11h 5m 55s ago, saying: 'using usbcontrol?'. |
| 08:39.00 | qwerty12 | hey aquatix |
| 08:39.41 | aquatix | 'sup? |
| 08:40.02 | qwerty12 | nm :) |
| 08:40.56 | qwerty12 | Anyone know a quick and dirty way to recalculate the Installed-Size section in a deb's control file? |
| 08:44.15 | aspect | ar x foo.deb data.tar.gz ; mkdir tmp ; tar -C tmp -xzf data.tar.gz ; du -sb tmp ; rm -rf rmp data.tar.gz |
| 08:44.43 | qwerty12 | Thanks aspect :) |
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| 08:49.12 | mavhc | my diablo n810 is continuously rebooting, is there anything I can do except reflash? haven't done a backup in a while, stupid me |
| 08:50.44 | qwerty12 | If you have bootmenu, you can chroot into it over usbnet and send the deb packages for klogd & sysklogd and install them and at least find out why it is rebooting |
| 08:51.28 | mavhc | I don't, but I might by next time, thanks |
| 08:51.30 | qwerty12 | enabling the rd mode flag no-lifeguard-reset may help as well |
| 08:52.12 | qwerty12 | it may allow your tablet to boot and you may be able to get ssh by wifi (if you have it installed). I messed up the x-server on my tablet, but it booted enough to let me ssh in. |
| 08:53.03 | mavhc | I did a shutdown -r 0, it rebooted, got to the desktop, rebooted again and got less and less into the boot sequence until I pulled the battery, weird |
| 08:53.46 | Stskeeps | yawn |
| 08:54.14 | qwerty12 | hi Stskeeps |
| 08:54.25 | Stskeeps | mornin' |
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| 08:57.23 | qwerty12 | btw, I managed to get an successful install of gnome by disabling the watchdogs and using the original kernel. I set it up to the way I like it (including making gksu let me use matchbox keyboard etc) and I install nit-env-lxde. I love it until the panel messes up :P. I'll delete the config files for the panel and reboot >.< |
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| 08:59.17 | StsN800 | .. decided to give in and install xchat since gprs and ssh into irssi is way too laggy |
| 09:00.01 | GeneralAntilles | killed Deblet when it died during a chroot session. |
| 09:00.04 | qwerty12 | xchat ftw |
| 09:00.27 | StsN800 | gksu would work with hildon input method too? |
| 09:00.44 | qwerty12 | StsN800: Btw, someone says that the hildon libraries are in debian repos already, or smthing like that |
| 09:01.02 | qwerty12 | StsN800: gksu unless with a little tweaking doesn't work with any input method :P |
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| 09:01.23 | StsN800 | qwerty12, yeah but is i-m-f there? |
| 09:01.26 | qwerty12 | In the end, I took the lazy way out and set NOPASSWD in my sudoers and made gksu listen to that |
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| 09:01.35 | StsN800 | i couldn't find it |
| 09:01.59 | qwerty12 | StsN800: No idea, but having the hildon libraries will save a lot of time |
| 09:01.59 | StsN800 | true |
| 09:01.59 | qwerty12 | I need to get nm-applet started and I can start working when I ssh into it |
| 09:02.23 | StsN800 | GeneralAntilles, died on maemo chroot or? |
| 09:02.40 | StsN800 | with qole etc scripts? |
| 09:02.48 | GeneralAntilles | I was debootstrapping an install for the Beagle |
| 09:03.05 | GeneralAntilles | chrooted in after it was done to build and install drivers for a USB wifi adaptor |
| 09:03.09 | GeneralAntilles | wifi connection died |
| 09:03.17 | GeneralAntilles | xfce4 toolbar went away |
| 09:03.20 | GeneralAntilles | tapped the battery out |
| 09:03.22 | GeneralAntilles | it wont boot |
| 09:03.28 | GeneralAntilles | probably has something to do with symlinking prco |
| 09:03.33 | GeneralAntilles | s/prco/proc/ |
| 09:03.55 | furnsie | a few weeks ago I tried to install scratchbox on my ubuntu box, I dont know what problem I had, but I know there was something wrong. I'm looking at it again now - trying to work out whats wrong with it.. and when I run 'scratchbox' it says 'ERROR: You dont; have a Scratchbox user account!'. How can I fix that? |
| 09:03.56 | GeneralAntilles | Now how can I mount ext3 in Maemo to fix it. . . . http://slexy.org/view/s20KnyW7Pg |
| 09:04.20 | qwerty12 | insmod mbcache and jbd first. |
| 09:04.32 | StsN800 | xfce toolbar is normal to disappear if its nit-env-stskeeps:P |
| 09:04.37 | GeneralAntilles | aaah, had mbcache |
| 09:04.47 | qwerty12 | uses modprobe thanks to jott so all I do is modprobe ext3 and it's done |
| 09:04.47 | GeneralAntilles | StsN800, how do you get it back? |
| 09:05.11 | GeneralAntilles | is such a Mactard |
| 09:05.31 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm, still doesn't want to mount. |
| 09:05.34 | StsN800 | GeneralAntilles, right or stylus hol |
| 09:05.41 | GeneralAntilles | I love how verbose mount is. . . . |
| 09:05.42 | qwerty12 | paste the last few messages for dmesg |
| 09:05.51 | StsN800 | d ondesktop brings up menu |
| 09:05.57 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles: install mount.full from extras or the dev repo somewhere, it's much better |
| 09:06.28 | StsN800 | but nit-env-stskeeps is bound to be ditched for lxde soon |
| 09:06.39 | furnsie | how can I uninstall scratchbox? |
| 09:07.54 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm, no wonder |
| 09:07.57 | GeneralAntilles | fsck is going to town on it |
| 09:08.18 | StsN800 | ext2 or ext3? |
| 09:08.22 | GeneralAntilles | ext3 |
| 09:08.38 | GeneralAntilles | This SD card is probably failing |
| 09:08.45 | GeneralAntilles | I'm getting tons of fs issues. . . . |
| 09:09.19 | GeneralAntilles | StsN800, you still offer a tarball install? |
| 09:09.52 | StsN800 | i do a fsck -y on boot in deblet before console appears. thats prolly why it doesn't look like it boots |
| 09:10.20 | qwerty12 | StsN800: Any idea why network manager disconnects my connection when I ssh into it? |
| 09:10.21 | StsN800 | GeneralAntilles, no, due to potential legal issues |
| 09:10.31 | GeneralAntilles | Damn |
| 09:10.43 | GeneralAntilles | doesn't want to have to run through the installer again. . . . |
| 09:11.10 | StsN800 | GeneralAntilles, i plan to support debootstrapping from a .tar.gz though |
| 09:11.28 | StsN800 | but apt packages are more difficult |
| 09:11.30 | GeneralAntilles | Man this is all such a pain in the ass. |
| 09:11.55 | GeneralAntilles | I just want either A. Working goddamn Bluetooth networking, B. Working goddamn USB wifi drivers, or C. Working goddamn USBNet |
| 09:11.59 | StsN800 | hehe. at least it isn't the f |
| 09:12.03 | GeneralAntilles | Apparently I'm not allowed to have any of the above . . . . |
| 09:12.03 | trenka | zap: I'll ask Ed to answer you, since I'm not polite enough |
| 09:12.21 | StsN800 | GeneralAntilles, on beagle? |
| 09:12.34 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 09:12.59 | GeneralAntilles | I may just have to man up and try booting this thing on the Ubuntu LiveCD I've got again. |
| 09:14.01 | GeneralAntilles | The Beagle would be really awesome if I could get networking going. . . . |
| 09:14.08 | zap | trenka: ? |
| 09:14.53 | GeneralAntilles | briefly contemplates USBNet from the Wii. |
| 09:15.36 | StsN800 | GeneralAntilles, wasn't there a usb otg problem on beagle boards? |
| 09:15.44 | StsN800 | or am i mistaken |
| 09:15.56 | GeneralAntilles | Well, there's a silicon issue with the USB host port. |
| 09:16.02 | GeneralAntilles | So they've omitted it. |
| 09:16.06 | GeneralAntilles | But OTG works fine |
| 09:16.17 | GeneralAntilles | I was just having trouble with the kernel that ships with the Ã
ngstrom demo |
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| 09:16.31 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 09:16.31 | GeneralAntilles | Downgraded to the the reference/testing kernel and it works fine now. |
| 09:16.51 | trenka | zap: it's better for me to keep silent for the moment since I'm a bit angre |
| 09:17.13 | Stskeeps | and you were trying g_ether with deblet or something? |
| 09:17.31 | GeneralAntilles | Tried USBNet with the Ã
ngstrom demo image |
| 09:17.38 | GeneralAntilles | The Beagle was more than willing to network |
| 09:17.49 | GeneralAntilles | But I haven't managed to beat my computer into the same. |
| 09:17.50 | zap | trenka: I tried not to irritate you, but it seems I haven't succeeded |
| 09:18.05 | GeneralAntilles | and apparently nobody on the planet uses USBNet with Leopard. |
| 09:19.47 | StsN800 | qwerty12, saw the dsp headers are out? |
| 09:20.06 | qwerty12 | StsN800: Yeah, read that email |
| 09:20.30 | qwerty12 | Seeing as they aren't *really* out; it's easier just jacking stuff from maemo still |
| 09:20.31 | StsN800 | that's fabolous |
| 09:20.52 | StsN800 | well for recompiling osso-esd.. |
| 09:21.11 | qwerty12 | I don't get why TI/Nokia are so anal over the dsp. |
| 09:21.40 | trenka | zap: anyway, I'll do my best to make you happy and keeping the 'build' symlink make sence |
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| 09:23.24 | StsN800 | GeneralAntilles, i loathe i have to reboot into ubuntu to usbnet too:P |
| 09:24.02 | GeneralAntilles | I'm trying not the think about what a pain it's going to be to get the wifi going. |
| 09:24.12 | qwerty12 | StsN800: Which kernel version are you using in Ubuntu? |
| 09:24.14 | GeneralAntilles | At least the damn thing has a serial console. |
| 09:25.01 | StsN800 | qwerty12, no clue but its the.xp rndis problem i dislike |
| 09:25.30 | StsN800 | there is always g_serial which i should add to deblet.. |
| 09:25.45 | qwerty12 | StsN800: Ah. I'm using 2.6.24-21-generic and I swear my usbnet in ubuntu doesn't work anymore :/ |
| 09:26.00 | qwerty12 | StsN800: You should, I added it in initfs and it just keeps on saving my ass |
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| 09:28.43 | StsN800 | im thinking to make holding home key or something under boot would activate a menu to choose g_serial, g_ether, g_file_storage etc |
| 09:29.24 | qwerty12 | g_file_storage is only really useful if you want the user to be able to mount their memory card, and considering that it would be in use during deblet boot... |
| 09:29.59 | StsN800 | cant it export a mounted fs too? |
| 09:30.30 | AStorm | it can't |
| 09:30.31 | qwerty12 | Hmm, yes it can, I didn't have much success exporting mtdblock4 over usb though... |
| 09:30.36 | qwerty12 | oh, my bad. |
| 09:30.39 | AStorm | no, it cannot export a mounted fs |
| 09:30.43 | AStorm | it exports a block device |
| 09:30.55 | StsN800 | blah |
| 09:31.04 | AStorm | use samba for exporting :> |
| 09:31.11 | AStorm | (but someone has to port it first) |
| 09:31.12 | StsN800 | that would be cool thi |
| 09:31.15 | StsN800 | though |
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| 09:38.13 | khertan | Hi everyone ! |
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| 09:38.21 | GeneralAntilles | Hi, khertan. |
| 09:38.38 | GeneralAntilles | Don't tell me you're gonna wimp out on -developers just like that. :P |
| 09:38.47 | khertan | yep i did it |
| 09:39.20 | GeneralAntilles | khertan, khertan, khertan . . . |
| 09:39.26 | GeneralAntilles | you disappoint me. :P |
| 09:40.23 | khertan | i prefer don't waste my time, and use it to make better software |
| 09:41.08 | khertan | when something borring me ... i go out ... |
| 09:42.11 | khertan | GeneralAntilles: http://khertan.net/poubelle/screenshot28.png |
| 09:42.31 | khertan | what do you think of it ? |
| 09:43.04 | GeneralAntilles | I think I can't read French. :P |
| 09:43.06 | GeneralAntilles | Looks good |
| 09:43.11 | GeneralAntilles | You gonna use stock icons, though? |
| 09:43.52 | StsN800 | khertan, heh, thats my attitude when i end in fights with debian-legal or other things.. i just go code cos i want to make a good free product instead of fighting over interpretations |
| 09:43.55 | khertan | GeneralAntilles: many user don't like the look of the stock icons .... |
| 09:44.23 | khertan | StsN800: ;) |
| 09:44.27 | GeneralAntilles | khertan, I'm a stickler for complying with a platform's look and feel. |
| 09:44.39 | khertan | GeneralAntilles: yep me too :) |
| 09:45.02 | khertan | GeneralAntilles: this is why there is a pref 'override_theme' |
| 09:45.03 | khertan | :) |
| 09:45.32 | khertan | if you uncheck it ... it come back to the default stock icons :) |
| 09:46.07 | GeneralAntilles | Sounds acceptable |
| 09:46.13 | khertan | héhé |
| 09:46.18 | GeneralAntilles | Still, I'd have the default the other way around. ;) |
| 09:46.34 | khertan | yep i know ... |
| 09:46.46 | khertan | but i think we can't educate users ... |
| 09:47.06 | khertan | and as many found the OMWeather theme wonderfull ... |
| 09:47.24 | khertan | which doesn't respect any maemo ui design ... |
| 09:47.50 | khertan | i think i should make it default for all users ... and purist like us can deactivate it |
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| 09:48.59 | khertan | users now want something that is beautifull ... and if they haven't this impression while the 30 first seconds they use an application, they close it ... |
| 09:49.42 | khertan | i found this attitude stupid, but this the way that many users today do |
| 09:49.49 | khertan | so ... :) |
| 09:50.05 | khertan | i m trying to make everybody happy :) |
| 09:50.25 | GeneralAntilles | I'm badly inclined towards only making people I don't hate happy. :D |
| 09:50.46 | khertan | :) |
| 09:51.11 | khertan | ok minus some exception :) |
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| 10:01.59 | GeneralAntilles | I'm interested to see what sort of a software boom there'll be after the Summit. |
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| 10:06.02 | furnsie | I did an apt-get remove scratchbox-core, and then ran the maemo-scratchbox-install_4.1.sh script, and it failed with the error Scratchbox command '/scratchbox/compilers/bin/gcc' is not executable. How can I fix this? /scratchbox/compilers/ doesnt even exist. |
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| 10:07.59 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: https://garage.maemo.org/snippet/detail.php?type=packagever&id=2 |
| 10:09.10 | Stskeeps | nm |
| 10:09.13 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Very interesting, but it sounds like we would have to recompile most of the programs on the debian repo? |
| 10:09.39 | Stskeeps | thought this was a generic wrapper |
| 10:09.45 | furnsie | is there a more correct way to uninstall scratchbox rather than deleting /scratchbox and removing scratchbox-core? I really want to get this working, but Im hitting dead ends each step of the way.. |
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| 10:13.08 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: it could be interesting with a osk that uses him and doesnt show its own kbd |
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| 10:13.45 | qwerty12 | True |
| 10:14.00 | Stskeeps | so you dont have to hildonize for h-im |
| 10:14.19 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: got USB networking working between my laptop and N810 for mediaserv demos at the summit |
| 10:15.26 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: hildonizing matchbox-keyboard:> |
| 10:15.48 | Stskeeps | https://garage.maemo.org/snippet/detail.php?type=snippet&id=5 using that |
| 10:15.52 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Matchbox keyboard is ugly :P. I'd only rather use it when I need ctrl buttons etc |
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| 10:16.51 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: the idea is to remove mbk layout totally so it just pops up h-im instead |
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| 10:16.58 | furnsie | are the scripts in /scratchbox/sbin not +x for a reason? |
| 10:18.02 | muu | re |
| 10:18.10 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: enabling normal apps to have h-im |
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| 10:18.33 | muu | seems free42 (calculator) have the wrong key(s) position... |
| 10:19.21 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, if only I had a Linux machine handy. |
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| 10:21.33 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: have i lost you or you don't see the potential of osk in all non-hildon apps:) |
| 10:22.04 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: I just dunno what to say + I'm busy on the rott port :) |
| 10:22.21 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 10:22.32 | Stskeeps | i will hack on it later |
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| 10:29.18 | Addison | Greetings everyone! :) |
| 10:29.38 | zhaozhou | Addison, Heya! |
| 10:30.10 | Addison | Hey, my apologies for such an off topic discussion. But anyone here willing to help me stick in a graphics card for my stupid computer? |
| 10:31.12 | zhaozhou | What type of card is it? |
| 10:31.12 | Addison | I only came here because all of you are nerds. Thought I might find a friendly one that can help me out. *lol* |
| 10:31.23 | zhaozhou | Haha, i probably could. :-) |
| 10:31.28 | Addison | It's a Radeon zhazhou. |
| 10:31.50 | zhaozhou | A PCI-E, right? |
| 10:31.53 | Addison | Damn, that's a weird name you have their. Took me 6 tries just to type it! :) |
| 10:32.09 | zhaozhou | You should use tab-completion. :-) |
| 10:32.48 | Addison | You know what zhaozhou, I'm not sure. I have the card and the CD, but there's nothing on it that says what it really is. |
| 10:33.45 | zhaozhou | You should check that before you buy em. Nowerdays, most cards are PCE-E 16x, but if you buy one that's not compatible with your motherboard, you wont be able to use it. |
| 10:34.04 | Addison | The only thing I see that is distinguishable (God, I can't spell) is at the bottom of the CD.... It says "ATI015-x" |
| 10:34.37 | Addison | I tried to Google it and came up with squadoosh! |
| 10:34.46 | zhaozhou | Does'nt say me anything, actually. :-) |
| 10:35.07 | zhaozhou | Whats the card model? |
| 10:35.35 | Addison | Do clue. Where can I find that out? I've only got the CD and card with me. |
| 10:35.45 | Addison | No = Do. Stupid brain. :( |
| 10:36.24 | zhaozhou | Should be printed on the card, i think. |
| 10:36.42 | Addison | I stuck the graphic's card in my computer and was greeted with unrelenting, obessive beeping from hell. That's about the best I can tell you. |
| 10:36.56 | Addison | Okay, I've got the card on my lap. |
| 10:37.19 | Addison | Where do I look? I've checked the whole thing.... There's nothing really there to look at. |
| 10:37.22 | zhaozhou | THen you could check if there is some type of input on the side, should be 4pins in a square |
| 10:37.51 | Addison | Yep, I've got that. |
| 10:38.08 | zhaozhou | Addison, Right, that's a power input, the card wont start without separate power |
| 10:38.36 | zhaozhou | Addison, On your power supply you should have one of those |
| 10:38.54 | zhaozhou | Addison, Most probably sais 'PCI-E' on the cable |
| 10:39.08 | Addison | Oh Duh! That's why my computer was going into old maid in constant menapause. The card had no juice to it. |
| 10:39.26 | zhaozhou | Exactly. :D |
| 10:39.55 | zhaozhou | Addison, Just to be sure, there is only one of those 4pins powerinputs, right? |
| 10:39.56 | Addison | Okay, so the four pins which is on my right side, what goes into it? |
| 10:40.06 | Addison | Yeah, just one. |
| 10:40.40 | zhaozhou | Addison, You should, as i said, have one of those going out of your power supply |
| 10:42.05 | Addison | Oh shit, you lost me. The card is on my lap right now. My Emachine piece of fluffy turd that's 6 years old is opened though. |
| 10:42.32 | Addison | I don't get the whole power supply thing. |
| 10:42.48 | zhaozhou | 6 years old, huh, lets hope it has one of these then. |
| 10:43.24 | zhaozhou | I don't know if it's the right word, but i think it's called the power supply, right? |
| 10:44.19 | Addison | Hey, I think I see where you're coming from. I've got a couple of wires just hanging out in the breeze with plastic crap attached to them. The wires are yellow, black, black, and red. |
| 10:44.47 | zhaozhou | Haha, yeah, the power supply is the thing those are coming out of. :-) |
| 10:45.06 | zhaozhou | That's the exact thing you want, but they should be in a square. |
| 10:45.10 | Addison | Dear lord, I should be shot just on general principle. *lol* |
| 10:45.49 | Addison | Is it okay if I connect them now? I don't want to die a horrible, searing death. :) |
| 10:46.08 | zhaozhou | If you found one that fits, just plug it in, it cant fail. :-) |
| 10:46.48 | Addison | Okay, it's plugged in. |
| 10:47.17 | zhaozhou | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:PSU-gold-full_set.jpg <- middle right, square one, that's the one you want. :-) |
| 10:47.18 | Addison | The card is still outside my delapidated (again, I can't spell) computer. |
| 10:48.35 | zhaozhou | Just plug it in the PCI-E port, then try booting the computer |
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| 10:51.25 | zhaozhou | lbreakout - best. game. ever. |
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| 10:55.59 | Addison | Hey, sorry for the long pause, Zhao... But my computer just squibbed on me. |
| 10:56.37 | Addison | After I plugged in the power supply thingie, my computer crashed within 30 seconds. |
| 10:58.42 | Addison | Hey zhaozou, care to take this to a private chat since it's off topic here at this forum? |
| 10:59.38 | zhaozhou | Sure thing. :-) |
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| 11:33.10 | GeneralAntilles | lol . . . the BBC, apparently, thinks Florida is run by Jesus. |
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| 11:35.00 | mavhc | why? |
| 11:35.09 | lcuk | Khertan1, there is something wrong when one of our prolific developers hands in the towel, i hope its only the ML you are removing self from |
| 11:35.22 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, it's just -developers. |
| 11:35.34 | GeneralAntilles | mavhc, the reporter kept calling him "Christ" |
| 11:35.51 | GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Crist |
| 11:36.06 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, thats just ingrained spelling cockup |
| 11:36.26 | lcuk | have we heard from khertan himself that its just ml? |
| 11:36.29 | GeneralAntilles | I related news, Cuba is fucked. |
| 11:36.39 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, check the scrollback. |
| 11:36.55 | lcuk | i dont have one - i only logged in a few minutes ago |
| 11:36.58 | GeneralAntilles | Just over an hour ago |
| 11:37.02 | GeneralAntilles | ~irc-logs |
| 11:37.06 | GeneralAntilles | ~maemo-log |
| 11:37.10 | GeneralAntilles | ~maemo-logs |
| 11:37.11 | infobot | i guess maemo-logs is IRC channels are logged at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog |
| 11:37.20 | GeneralAntilles | ~irc-logs is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog |
| 11:37.21 | infobot | GeneralAntilles: okay |
| 11:37.25 | lcuk | no need GeneralAntilles :) your word is good enough |
| 11:37.58 | lcuk | you have a commanding voice of reason (sometimes :P) |
| 11:38.46 | lcuk | anything else happened whilst i was off? any new releases? streakers runnin through the chan? etc |
| 11:39.02 | GeneralAntilles | Nothing interesting |
| 11:39.19 | GeneralAntilles | bought a giant steak for dinner tonight. |
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| 11:39.37 | lcuk | i hope that doesnt attract the devil things |
| 11:39.56 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 11:40.00 | GeneralAntilles | I'm too far inland here. :D |
| 11:40.02 | lbt | mmm Steak and noodles |
| 11:40.14 | GeneralAntilles | Pan-seared ribeye. |
| 11:40.17 | lcuk | regarding your beagle, how warm does it get? does it stay at ambient |
| 11:40.20 | GeneralAntilles | Gotta disconnect the smoke alarm. . . . |
| 11:40.21 | lbt | fry some egg noodles in the steak juices |
| 11:40.30 | lbt | yep Ribeye is best |
| 11:40.36 | lcuk | mornin lbt |
| 11:40.43 | lbt | afternoon |
| 11:40.50 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, I don't think the powersaving is as aggressive as it could be with the current kernel. |
| 11:40.54 | lbt | just been cooking the duck... |
| 11:40.57 | lcuk | its mornin in this house :P i cant smell the bacon |
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| 11:41.07 | GeneralAntilles | It's running at 500MHz, so 100MHz under max |
| 11:41.19 | lcuk | im thinking in ragard to a box |
| 11:41.22 | lbt | very foody today |
| 11:41.28 | GeneralAntilles | Sitting in u-boot (without any powersaving at all) it's hot, but not too-hot-to-touch |
| 11:41.38 | GeneralAntilles | A little hotter than the back of your N810 might get when it's really under load. |
| 11:41.41 | lcuk | do you cook duck often lbt, or is this an experiment? |
| 11:41.45 | lbt | does the beagle have wifi? |
| 11:41.46 | GeneralAntilles | Booted into something it's just a little warm |
| 11:41.50 | lcuk | my 810 can become quite warm |
| 11:41.53 | GeneralAntilles | lbt, nope. |
| 11:41.59 | lbt | whenever it's half prce at sainsburys |
| 11:42.01 | lbt | morning |
| 11:42.04 | GeneralAntilles | The idea was to let the user provide all the extra stuff |
| 11:42.12 | GeneralAntilles | and keep the board itself as cheap, small, and simple as possible. |
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| 11:42.22 | lbt | there are thumbnail usb wifis though |
| 11:42.24 | lbt | IIRC |
| 11:42.31 | lbt | I wanted a pictureframe |
| 11:42.40 | lbt | a 19" one |
| 11:42.54 | lcuk | just grab a proper wifi picture frame and hack linux onto it - it hsould have everything needed |
| 11:43.06 | GeneralAntilles | USBNet is kinda what you're likely to use out-of-the-box. |
| 11:43.24 | lbt | not seen any reliably hackable ones |
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| 11:43.44 | lcuk | i suppose its knowledge of whats in use |
| 11:43.49 | lbt | yes |
| 11:43.54 | aquatix | lbt: old laptop |
| 11:43.59 | lbt | yeah |
| 11:44.01 | lcuk | i bet theres a group of hackers sat in some random irc channel discussing dinner and frames |
| 11:44.13 | aquatix | hmmm, dinner |
| 11:44.20 | aquatix | oggles clock |
| 11:44.27 | aquatix | lunch time :/ |
| 11:44.29 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, I built this instead of a real case. :P http://flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/tags/beagleboard/ |
| 11:44.33 | lbt | a 19" lcd (duck) monitor will fit a beagle inside |
| 11:44.37 | lcuk | OI, put your clock away, this is a family channel |
| 11:44.59 | aquatix | sorry |
| 11:45.00 | GeneralAntilles | lbt, I tossed the idea of hacking the Beagle into one of my Samsung LCDs for kicks. |
| 11:45.21 | lbt | why? |
| 11:45.34 | GeneralAntilles | But Samsung ruined the idea by actually having a really small LCD all-in-one. |
| 11:45.36 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, that will do you for a while - its just a way to stop accidental breakage |
| 11:45.41 | GeneralAntilles | Freak people out |
| 11:45.45 | lcuk | yer gen, thats a nice monitor |
| 11:45.55 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, I mostly just want to keep the cat from playing with it. |
| 11:46.06 | lcuk | but the cat wants to run linux |
| 11:46.11 | GeneralAntilles | I'll build a real case whenever I go visit home and my dad's tools. ;) |
| 11:46.16 | GeneralAntilles | She wants to play with the puppy. |
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| 11:46.25 | lbt | mmm puppies |
| 11:46.36 | lcuk | do you have a pair of puppies? |
| 11:46.43 | GeneralAntilles | Nah, just one. |
| 11:46.45 | lbt | we do |
| 11:47.03 | GeneralAntilles | Cats and puppies |
| 11:47.04 | lcuk | is a cat person |
| 11:47.12 | GeneralAntilles | It's funny, my cat used to just love dogs. |
| 11:47.21 | lcuk | been bitten and jumped on by too many dogs for me to consider having any |
| 11:47.23 | GeneralAntilles | We had a golden retriever that would clean all the cats |
| 11:47.30 | lbt | has 5^H 4^H 3 cats |
| 11:47.37 | GeneralAntilles | so you'd go down to pet a cat and get your hand covered in dog slobber. |
| 11:47.49 | GeneralAntilles | Then the golden died and we ended up with two lapdogs |
| 11:47.53 | GeneralAntilles | The cat doesn't like dogs anymore. |
| 11:47.58 | lcuk | lbt - did you have 5 to begin with? or kittens that are going to other homes? |
| 11:48.18 | lbt | 5, then they got older... |
| 11:48.29 | lcuk | lapdogs, is that like going from a desktop computer to a laptop? |
| 11:48.31 | lbt | had Minka for 19 years |
| 11:49.13 | lbt | FYI : http://science.slashdot.org/science/08/09/07/0334251.shtml |
| 11:49.14 | GeneralAntilles | These evil things: http://www.smallpawsrescue.org/pup3/buttonsheart.jpg |
| 11:49.16 | lcuk | at my mums I grew up with a georgeous bermese - he had a similar life |
| 11:49.33 | lbt | GeneralAntilles: there's a cat like that near here... |
| 11:49.52 | GeneralAntilles | A cat that's a dog? |
| 11:50.15 | lcuk | rat |
| 11:50.29 | lbt | it's a Blofeld cat |
| 11:50.49 | lbt | (sp? - the 007 bad guy) |
| 11:51.33 | lcuk | No mr Lbt, I expect you to spell check |
| 11:53.19 | lcuk | lbt, do you just lurk in /. or are you active? |
| 11:53.43 | lbt | frontpage only most of the time |
| 11:54.06 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk's "that Windows guy" on /. :P |
| 11:54.16 | lcuk | lol, im not actually :P |
| 11:54.40 | lcuk | i dont like the changes they made to logged out standard comments list |
| 11:55.06 | Addison | Hey GA, why don't you stop trying to be everyone's father and just be a nice guy for a moment? |
| 11:56.12 | lbt | ? |
| 11:56.27 | GeneralAntilles | Addison, if you're going to continue to troll in here without provocation, then I'm just going to ban you. |
| 11:56.37 | GeneralAntilles | Consider this your first of 2 warnings. :) |
| 11:56.52 | Addison | Sorry, personal grief. GA upsets me with his constant, unrelenting comments from everywhere. :) |
| 11:57.40 | lcuk | addison, if you have seen GAs desktop - he has 5 monitors and 2 nits, each of them a different site or chan and he types on each of them and sometimes gets mixed up |
| 11:57.45 | lcuk | its not his fault really :D |
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| 12:00.09 | Addison | Wow, 5 monitors and 2 nits? That's so hard core! What a cool person he must be! He must be having sex right now!!!! *lol* |
| 12:00.44 | aquatix | ghehe |
| 12:00.47 | lcuk | he is - theres a special hole in his beagleboard box just for the purpose :D |
| 12:01.03 | lbt | I have 7 monitors, 4 pcs, 3 servers, 4 pdas |
| 12:01.05 | aquatix | the goggles! they do nothing! |
| 12:01.11 | lbt | just imagine the gang bang |
| 12:01.15 | Addison | What's a beagleboard? Sorry, just a little slow witted on my end. |
| 12:01.25 | lbt | it's a puppy in a box |
| 12:01.35 | aquatix | lol |
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| 12:01.43 | lbt | http://flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/2835929206/ |
| 12:01.44 | lbt | see |
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| 12:02.13 | aquatix | aw, the poor animal is getting probed |
| 12:02.33 | lcuk | hey GeneralAntilles, you have it hooked up with proper video out now? |
| 12:02.56 | aquatix | talking about wasted space: http://flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/2835929160/in/photostream/ :) |
| 12:02.57 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, have you slept? |
| 12:03.27 | lbt | aquatix: you have no clue about cooling do you? |
| 12:03.47 | lcuk | THIS IS SPARTAN! http://www.flickr.com/photos/32615155@N00/2785541252/in/pool-beagleboard |
| 12:03.48 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, nah, not yet. |
| 12:03.57 | lcuk | mornin crashanddie |
| 12:04.03 | crashanddie | hey lcuk |
| 12:04.19 | aquatix | lbt: like a closed cardboard box will not heat up inside :) |
| 12:04.30 | aquatix | not sure how much heat that board generates though |
| 12:04.35 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, so, my sleeping pattern is fucked up, I'm drifting about 5 hours east, and you're doing the same? |
| 12:04.37 | lbt | he's not installed the puppy yet |
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| 12:04.56 | lbt | (it's evaporative cooling from puppy slobber) |
| 12:05.02 | aquatix | lbt: :) |
| 12:05.03 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I'm bad, just getting up for class a few hours at a time in the morning. :\ |
| 12:05.03 | lbt | hence 'beagleboard' |
| 12:05.13 | lcuk | as long as he doesnt leave it in the car on a sunny day i tihnk it will be ok |
| 12:05.17 | lcuk | theres enough airholes in the box |
| 12:05.40 | Addison | So you don't actually have a job then, is that correct GA? |
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| 12:06.02 | GeneralAntilles | aquatix, the whole thing draws about 2W under extreme load. |
| 12:06.14 | aquatix | yeah, i remembered something like that |
| 12:06.24 | aquatix | it's a nice setup you have |
| 12:06.42 | aquatix | just struck me as funny that such a small board was put in a rather `large' box :) |
| 12:06.56 | GeneralAntilles | aquatix, didn't have anything smaller handy. :D |
| 12:07.02 | GeneralAntilles | I could fit about 6 of those boards in there |
| 12:07.14 | qwerty12_N800 | all this cool beagleboard stuff is making me hungry for the N900 :) |
| 12:07.19 | aquatix | ooh, beowolf cluster! |
| 12:07.20 | GeneralAntilles | Well, I guess there's the box it came in, but I didn't feel like chopping that up. |
| 12:07.28 | GeneralAntilles | Addison, don't push your luck. |
| 12:08.47 | Addison | Hey GA, go fuck yourself! You're a dick, just live up to it. Trust me, I won't come back here. I personally could care less. |
| 12:09.25 | GeneralAntilles | I don't know which of his relatives I raped and murdered, but DAMN. |
| 12:09.56 | qwerty12_N800 | has 1337 spam in my gmail. :blink: |
| 12:10.22 | lcuk | i have 3043 |
| 12:10.30 | lcuk | since yesterday :P |
| 12:10.42 | qwerty12_N800 | my number is better :p |
| 12:11.03 | lcuk | sends you some so you aren't 1337 anymore |
| 12:11.10 | qwerty12_N800 | lol |
| 12:12.10 | qwerty12_N800 | ~curse dpkg |
| 12:12.11 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, dpkg ! |
| 12:12.13 | lcuk | ill bbl folks |
| 12:14.23 | crashanddie | This is actually pretty good: http://www.acmesystems.it/?id=4 |
| 12:15.00 | GeneralAntilles | MIPS, eh? |
| 12:15.46 | GeneralAntilles | Yeesh |
| 12:15.49 | GeneralAntilles | $200? |
| 12:15.52 | qwerty12_N800 | Pretty dated, usb 1.1? |
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| 12:16.24 | *** join/#maemo m-c- (n=user@pool-64-222-182-142.man.east.verizon.net) |
| 12:16.50 | kpel | hi |
| 12:17.47 | m-c- | hi wwhat is a good reeader for text files oon maemo? is it possible to removee the formattting bar, in Notes, for example?? |
| 12:18.16 | qwerty12_N800 | fbreader |
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| 12:18.32 | GeneralAntilles | What qwerty12_N800 said. |
| 12:19.38 | m-c- | thanks!! |
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| 12:21.17 | GeneralAntilles | Hello, dneary. |
| 12:22.04 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, it's too bad there are nearly no alternative projects for the Beagle Board |
| 12:22.20 | GeneralAntilles | Alternative hardware or alternative software projects? |
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| 12:22.37 | crashanddie | software |
| 12:22.48 | crashanddie | and hardware too I guess |
| 12:23.01 | GeneralAntilles | Beagle aint got a Maemo equivalent? ;) |
| 12:23.06 | m-c- | good luck at that sumit later thiis month == looks impressive |
| 12:23.13 | crashanddie | I mean, excepted the GNU Radio thing, there's NIL to do |
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| 12:24.04 | GeneralAntilles | Other than the same stuff you could do with a slightly larger and more power hungry x86 board. |
| 12:24.09 | crashanddie | "Emma télé est allumée, Emma tais toi" |
| 12:24.42 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, yeah, but that's the whole point, I want to be hacking, I want to be doing crazy stuff... Not the same stuff my laptop can handle :P |
| 12:24.49 | GeneralAntilles | Right |
| 12:24.58 | GeneralAntilles | Well, find small places to stick it. :P |
| 12:25.06 | GeneralAntilles | A carputer project is high on my list. |
| 12:25.15 | crashanddie | yeah, I hear ya |
| 12:25.24 | GeneralAntilles | I kinda like Benson's backback personal-network server idea. |
| 12:25.27 | m-c- | mobile ftp and web server? |
| 12:25.32 | GeneralAntilles | If I actually carried a backpack |
| 12:25.35 | *** join/#maemo madhav (n=Administ@122.167.77.109) |
| 12:26.04 | GeneralAntilles | Or didn't already have all of that provided by my pocket personal-network. . . . |
| 12:26.12 | crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, there's no such thing as "outdated" |
| 12:26.25 | GeneralAntilles | But, you're right, it's less revolutionary than it is evolutionary. |
| 12:26.41 | qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie: usb 1.1 is still slow as shit |
| 12:26.53 | crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, so what, it runs a 100Mhz CPU lol |
| 12:27.03 | crashanddie | it's not meant for speed |
| 12:27.05 | GeneralAntilles | I think it signifies interesting things for the future of high-end ARM CPUs. |
| 12:27.12 | qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie: true :p |
| 12:27.13 | yacoob | even usb 2.0 is slow |
| 12:27.20 | GeneralAntilles | has some hopes for breaking the stranglehold x86 has on the market. |
| 12:27.32 | crashanddie | but those expansion ports are just insane... Have you seen the dev board you just glue on it? Now there's some hacking ! |
| 12:27.50 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 12:27.53 | GeneralAntilles | Lots and lots of buses to play with. |
| 12:27.54 | jott | GeneralAntilles: does it run windows? :P |
| 12:28.03 | crashanddie | jott, actually, yeah, it can |
| 12:28.07 | GeneralAntilles | jott, I bet you could finagle CE on there. ;) |
| 12:28.24 | jott | ce != "windows" :P |
| 12:28.35 | GeneralAntilles | Or the old and tired answer "3.11" |
| 12:28.42 | GeneralAntilles | Actually, I bet the Beagle could handle 98 |
| 12:28.53 | GeneralAntilles | dneary, fix this: http://maemo.org/vote/ |
| 12:29.11 | aquatix | but but, does it run linux? |
| 12:29.13 | crashanddie | couldn't the beagle board emulate a x86 instruction set? |
| 12:29.13 | aquatix | ducks |
| 12:29.14 | m-c- | so many different operating sy |
| 12:29.22 | jott | still, most of the x86 stranglehold is due to microsoft.. :/ |
| 12:29.26 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, sure, same way the tablets do. |
| 12:29.35 | GeneralAntilles | DOSBox or somesuch |
| 12:29.47 | m-c- | systems all sayingnwindows |
| 12:30.51 | crashanddie | I'm pleased, no one yelled "OMG Winblows on the NIT, ARE YOU mad?" |
| 12:31.00 | yacoob | jott, sad thing is, there's no other way to fight it than other hegemony :D |
| 12:31.04 | qwerty12_N800 | OMG Winblows on the NIT, ARE YOU mad? |
| 12:31.09 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 12:31.17 | yacoob | (main disadvantage of Linux on desktop: there's >1 way to do it :) |
| 12:31.21 | GeneralAntilles | throws rotten eggs at crashanddie. |
| 12:31.35 | crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, I will slap you in the face for that |
| 12:31.48 | qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie: sure |
| 12:32.21 | *** part/#maemo m-c- (n=user@pool-64-222-182-142.man.east.verizon.net) |
| 12:32.58 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, our troll could be using wifi, some wifi he hacked? The info I found doesn't add up. |
| 12:33.34 | GeneralAntilles | suddenly feels like he's in the trailer for the next big spy action flick. |
| 12:34.37 | jott | will the beagleboard save the world?! [insert dramatic music] |
| 12:34.43 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, we know he's in southern Poland, we have a huge list of activity (time and IP), we can always contact his ISP to have him shut up |
| 12:35.05 | GeneralAntilles | Nah, that's no fun |
| 12:35.10 | jott | why would any isp care? |
| 12:35.15 | GeneralAntilles | The internet wouldn't be the internet without people like Darius. |
| 12:36.11 | crashanddie | jott, trolls are considered abuse, and given enough complaints, you will see your connection canceled |
| 12:36.17 | crashanddie | s/canceled/cancelled/ |
| 12:36.21 | jott | huh? trolls abuse?! |
| 12:36.37 | jott | you are kidding ... |
| 12:36.47 | crashanddie | no I'm not |
| 12:37.04 | jott | any significant case in poland to prove that?! |
| 12:37.16 | crashanddie | in poland? |
| 12:37.19 | crashanddie | Erhm, no |
| 12:37.20 | jott | would have gained big media attention. |
| 12:37.32 | crashanddie | But I think I have a couple in France |
| 12:37.44 | jott | france is sick for that matter :) |
| 12:37.59 | crashanddie | agreed, they were just banned from newsgroups, the ISP cut their access to any newsgroup |
| 12:38.11 | Jaffa | Interesting bit at the end of pvanhoof's latest post: "We'll most likely use this on the Maemo platform for thumbnailing ourselves". |
| 12:38.27 | Jaffa | Just for the tracker-based search or better media player etc. Hmm? |
| 12:38.29 | pvanhoof | innocent |
| 12:38.54 | crashanddie | "thumbnailing", is that slang for masturbation? |
| 12:39.12 | qwerty12_N800 | only if your knob is tiny |
| 12:39.13 | Jaffa | pvanhoof: interesting stuff :) |
| 12:39.41 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800 would know all about that. :D |
| 12:39.58 | pvanhoof | crashanddie, :) |
| 12:40.34 | crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, oh come on, don't pick on the kid, he's only 6 years younger than you |
| 12:40.38 | qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles: lol, I'm working with big guns here, go back to doing the beagleboard :p :D |
| 12:40.43 | GeneralAntilles | "As I see, some developers at Maemo are overcharged with bad energy and devil's frustration , so just let me live in peace, far from your virtual problems and your off-topics spamming my mailbox." |
| 12:40.57 | GeneralAntilles | I'm gonna have to remember that one. |
| 12:41.03 | GeneralAntilles | "bad energy and devil's frustration" |
| 12:41.47 | GeneralAntilles | Who wants to put together a screenplay for a musical based on the rants of Darius Jack? |
| 12:42.03 | GeneralAntilles | This last one has already got pretty good timing. |
| 12:43.30 | crashanddie | "[developers] driven by egoistic Self EGO killing Maemo community project" |
| 12:43.55 | jott | otoh, he is right with that. i don't get all this extreme whining about him.... |
| 12:43.57 | Jaffa | Given he's requesting to be removed, can I put his email address into the "unsubscribe over the web" box on the mailing list homepage? |
| 12:44.13 | crashanddie | no |
| 12:44.20 | crashanddie | list-master is supposed to take care of that |
| 12:44.24 | Jaffa | Bah. He'd still get a confirmation email. |
| 12:44.41 | Jaffa | crashanddie: listmaster should just say "go here and enter your email addresS" |
| 12:44.49 | qwerty12_N800 | who's up for a spot of hacking, old chaps? |
| 12:44.57 | crashanddie | raises hand |
| 12:45.12 | GeneralAntilles | He's already said he's done with the list once |
| 12:45.17 | GeneralAntilles | We'll see how long this one sticks. |
| 12:45.35 | crashanddie | Jaffa, we're going to see a flying shit explode over your head, it shows your IP address to him? He's going to go mental, trust me |
| 12:45.44 | chmac | I've just reflashed my N810, installed some ssh keys today, changed the hostname, installed pidgin, set up some accounts, etc |
| 12:45.55 | chmac | Now I reboot, and the blue slider goes to 100%, then nothing |
| 12:46.02 | crashanddie | He says that, but he doesn't mean it, he hopes we're going to feel guilty, and say "oooh, nooo, Darius, stay" |
| 12:46.08 | chmac | I have enabled the lock code |
| 12:46.15 | chmac | Is there anything I can do to debug? |
| 12:46.31 | GeneralAntilles | jott, you used up all your energy on the election procedures? :P ;) |
| 12:46.47 | crashanddie | btw, how the fuck do I know what my lock code is on the device? |
| 12:46.55 | GeneralAntilles | 12345 by default |
| 12:46.58 | crashanddie | ah |
| 12:47.02 | jott | GeneralAntilles: nah, i just don't care about a troll like him... |
| 12:47.03 | GeneralAntilles | if you changed it, it's somewhere on the config partition. |
| 12:47.36 | crashanddie | nha it's cool, cheers |
| 12:47.56 | Jaffa | sends him a private email with a direct link which submits the 'unsubscribe me from this list' form |
| 12:48.28 | qwerty12_N800 | Jaffa: tiny url it too |
| 12:48.37 | chmac | Anyone? |
| 12:49.29 | qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie: easy way to get lockcode: http://austinche.name/maemo/getlockcode else you can cat /dev/mtd1ro and get to searching |
| 12:50.11 | crashanddie | how is the security on the lock, btw? |
| 12:50.12 | jott | and things like harassing and insulting him is just stupid and childish... |
| 12:50.14 | crashanddie | I never used it |
| 12:50.52 | qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie: not much. as you just saw, it's easy to get the code |
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| 12:51.21 | crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, yeah, but that means you need access to the device, right? |
| 12:51.27 | crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, which, if locked, is a bit hard |
| 12:52.00 | qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie: someone can also flash a preprepared image of bootmenu and delete /sbin/devlock-blocker |
| 12:52.09 | *** join/#maemo briand (n=brian@dsl020086.dyndsl.nettally.com) |
| 12:52.10 | crashanddie | hmm, ok |
| 12:53.32 | chmac | Does anyone know how to debug a tablet that won't boot? |
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| 12:53.57 | crashanddie | chmac, did you apt-get update && apt-get upgrade? |
| 12:54.21 | chmac | crashanddie: I enabled red pill mode then upgraded everything "update all" |
| 12:54.37 | GeneralAntilles | lol. . . . |
| 12:54.38 | crashanddie | chmac, through the app manager or apt? |
| 12:54.39 | GeneralAntilles | Nice one. |
| 12:54.46 | chmac | crashanddie: the app manager |
| 12:54.47 | crashanddie | oh shit, no diff |
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| 12:54.52 | crashanddie | chmac, reflash |
| 12:54.56 | GeneralAntilles | What on earth drove you to do that? |
| 12:54.56 | chmac | :( |
| 12:55.01 | chmac | GeneralAntilles: lol |
| 12:55.04 | GeneralAntilles | I need to find that guide and kill it with fire. |
| 12:55.13 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, I did a sudo gainroot; apt-get upgrade -f |
| 12:55.28 | chmac | Is there a specific update that causes the issue? |
| 12:55.36 | chmac | Or how do I keep the tablet up to date after I reflash it again? |
| 12:55.40 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, Red Pill in Application manager exposes some magic packages which seem DESIGNED to break the system. |
| 12:55.44 | crashanddie | chmac, don't enable rep pill mode |
| 12:55.49 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 12:55.55 | GeneralAntilles | Red Pill is never the answer. |
| 12:55.56 | crashanddie | s/rep/red/ |
| 12:56.10 | chmac | I like the infobot :) |
| 12:56.15 | GeneralAntilles | That's like the sledgehammer of solutions. |
| 12:56.21 | chmac | GeneralAntilles: Better to use apt-get? |
| 12:56.25 | GeneralAntilles | 90% of the time it's way too much for the job |
| 12:56.36 | crashanddie | I never saw the point of using red pill btw |
| 12:56.38 | GeneralAntilles | the 10% of the time it's actually appropriate, things are coming down anyway. ;) |
| 12:56.48 | chmac | I wanted to install avahi, which wasn't showing up without it |
| 12:56.52 | crashanddie | I prefer using apt-* by far |
| 12:56.53 | GeneralAntilles | chmac, no, just update through the application manager. |
| 12:57.03 | GeneralAntilles | Anything that doesn't show in application manager you install through apt-get |
| 12:57.13 | chmac | Ok :) |
| 12:57.30 | GeneralAntilles | Honestly you're better off reflashing at this point. |
| 12:57.33 | crashanddie | chmac, if you're running diablo, you'll get a warning about updates anyway |
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| 12:58.59 | chmac | Ok, lesson learned |
| 12:59.08 | Mikho | oh, so red pill is a bad idea? |
| 12:59.09 | chmac | I borked it a few weeks back and have finally just gotten round to reinstalling everything |
| 12:59.17 | GeneralAntilles | Mikho, yes. |
| 12:59.17 | crashanddie | chmac, I did it too at some point |
| 12:59.29 | Mikho | good thing I decided to look at the scrollback this time |
| 12:59.34 | GeneralAntilles | Mikho, Red Pill is only to be used in small doses if you know exactly what you're doing. ;) |
| 13:00.01 | crashanddie | But sadly, because it's such a cool thing, with matrix and all |
| 13:00.22 | GeneralAntilles | lots of people who don't understand what it does like to recommend it as some sort of magical fix-all. |
| 13:00.53 | Mikho | hmm, I wonder if it was possible to install xterm in n770 without the pill... |
| 13:00.59 | crashanddie | btw, talking about matrix, is there a decent matrix-scrolling-characters app for Maemo? |
| 13:01.00 | GeneralAntilles | Yes. |
| 13:01.22 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, we seriously don't have the LCD bandwidth |
| 13:01.34 | GeneralAntilles | Only way that'd work is if you convince lcuk to do it. |
| 13:01.51 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, we can play video, surely we could do that? |
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| 13:02.10 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, it CAN be done. |
| 13:02.11 | lcuk | crashanddie, videos are YUV |
| 13:02.17 | GeneralAntilles | But liqbase is the only piece of technology with the ability to do it. |
| 13:02.21 | lcuk | \o/ |
| 13:02.31 | lcuk | gamma leaking portal technology |
| 13:02.34 | GeneralAntilles | It'd make a pretty awesome demo module. |
| 13:03.20 | lcuk | why do you think i start with stars gen? |
| 13:03.30 | chmac | Ok, now to reinstall all over again. At least it'll be fresh in my mind! :) |
| 13:03.44 | lcuk | i was gonna add sinus scrolling text but i thought it was a bit retro |
| 13:04.05 | crashanddie | lol |
| 13:04.20 | jott | lcuk: plasmas! rotating tori! copperbars! :) |
| 13:04.25 | crashanddie | I'm thinking about selling my n810 btw |
| 13:04.37 | teprrr | hi, anyone knows how can I link my app against libqt4's debug libs instead of the normal ones? apparently I can't just set LD_LIBRARY_PATH to point to the correct libpath as the qt4 debug libs are named like the normal ones, but there's ".debug" appended to them |
| 13:04.38 | chmac | Is it possible to remotely control the tablet by the likes of vnc? |
| 13:04.44 | chmac | So I don't have to keep switching to that screen :) |
| 13:04.55 | lcuk | jott, when i rebuilt my colorcube to work at arbitary dimensions (instead of just 256^2) i thought instantly of plasma |
| 13:04.59 | Jaffa | chmac: Yes. Using VNC :) |
| 13:04.59 | jott | teprrr: you don't need to do an extra build |
| 13:05.00 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, in preparation for? |
| 13:05.09 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, getting a WE |
| 13:05.10 | jott | teprrr: just install the debug packages and gdb etc. will use them |
| 13:05.16 | lcuk | WE? |
| 13:05.37 | qwerty12_N800 | wimax editon? |
| 13:05.45 | qwerty12_N800 | *edition |
| 13:05.50 | crashanddie | aye |
| 13:06.01 | GeneralAntilles | Which you're planning to use, where, exactly? |
| 13:06.02 | crashanddie | My camera's dead, the inbuilt mic seems to only work sometimes |
| 13:06.07 | lcuk | london |
| 13:06.18 | qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie: is wimax gonna be any good in london? |
| 13:06.29 | chmac | Jaffa: Is VNC server available for maemo? |
| 13:06.29 | crashanddie | by 2012, prolly |
| 13:06.37 | jott | wimax != wimax. |
| 13:06.43 | jott | :) |
| 13:06.57 | lcuk | chmac, yes |
| 13:06.59 | lcuk | and client |
| 13:07.06 | crashanddie | if anyone is going to launch a wimax service in the UK, it has to be for the Ogames, or never |
| 13:07.08 | teprrr | jott, I can't force it to use them if not running inside gdb? though even if I'm running inside the gdb, I can't do flush painting.. or isn't Xephyr X11 after all? |
| 13:07.24 | lcuk | crashanddie, i believe we have it in manchester or at least trials |
| 13:07.42 | crashanddie | yeah, but the first big application will be the games, that's just obvious |
| 13:07.48 | GeneralAntilles | As jott says, WiMAX != WiMAX |
| 13:07.51 | lcuk | from pipex |
| 13:07.51 | crashanddie | anyone with a little bit of brains can figure that out |
| 13:07.58 | lcuk | in somerfield stores (!?) |
| 13:08.00 | GeneralAntilles | Firstly, is it 2.5GHz? |
| 13:08.04 | GeneralAntilles | If not, no dice. |
| 13:08.27 | crashanddie | well, I don't really care about WiMAX |
| 13:08.32 | furnsie | exit |
| 13:08.36 | crashanddie | I just want the camera to work |
| 13:08.37 | furnsie | oops :) |
| 13:08.39 | chmac | lcuk: Where is vnc server? I don't see it for diablo in http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php |
| 13:08.41 | GeneralAntilles | Warranty? |
| 13:08.46 | lcuk | furnsie, you are meant to type "beam me up" |
| 13:08.54 | GeneralAntilles | chmac, google x11vnc maemo |
| 13:09.00 | GeneralAntilles | It's not in a repo for some reason. |
| 13:09.08 | lcuk | no maintainer |
| 13:09.09 | chmac | GeneralAntilles: Ok, thanks |
| 13:09.16 | lcuk | or not an active one |
| 13:09.20 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody should pick it up and push it to Extras. |
| 13:09.22 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800? |
| 13:09.28 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, bought it from ebay |
| 13:09.41 | lcuk | send it back to ebay then :D |
| 13:09.44 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, all the paperwork is in France, can't be arsed to send it off |
| 13:10.00 | GeneralAntilles | I like lcuk's plan. |
| 13:10.19 | jott | teprrr: what are you trying to do? the .debug libs are just unstripped versions of the original with extra debug symbols. |
| 13:10.31 | qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles: I'm already using the latest x11vnc but it's packaged dirty :/ |
| 13:10.54 | GeneralAntilles | Is that like riddin' dirty? |
| 13:11.02 | lcuk | what do i use to list the available exports inside my app, and can i call them from within my running program dynamically |
| 13:11.09 | jott | teprrr: there should be no difference in behaviour between the two versions. |
| 13:11.27 | crashanddie | lcuk, environment variables? |
| 13:11.37 | lcuk | no, jumppoints |
| 13:12.05 | qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles: Not quite :p. I guess I could package a "clean" version for -extras but I like my one with xrdp too. |
| 13:12.06 | lcuk | so i can scan my binary at runtime and build up a list of specially suffixed functions available for use within the menus |
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| 13:12.14 | teprrr | jott, one can use QT_FLUSH_PAINT only with debug libs to see which parts of the window are being painted |
| 13:12.18 | jott | crashanddie: you could order the spare camera for 3 euro :) |
| 13:12.25 | crashanddie | jott, eh? |
| 13:12.45 | chmac | Sounds like a bit of work to get x11vnc working. I'll probably stick to the stylus for now... |
| 13:12.48 | teprrr | (afaik) |
| 13:12.59 | lcuk | chmac, its just installing the deb? |
| 13:13.13 | chmac | lcuk: Really? Ok, where do I get it? |
| 13:13.27 | chmac | lcuk: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/x11vnc/ seems a bit old... |
| 13:13.27 | jott | crashanddie: http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=372103&eventPage=1 :) |
| 13:13.37 | qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie: did you ever read the bits in the amsterdam stuff regarding the camera? |
| 13:13.45 | crashanddie | nope |
| 13:13.46 | lcuk | chmac, december 2007 isnt that old |
| 13:13.56 | chmac | lcuk: Maybe that's true, this is only 2008 :) |
| 13:14.23 | lcuk | and if its so out of date it just wont install |
| 13:14.50 | jott | teprrr: hum. shouldn't be the case. |
| 13:14.56 | lcuk | anyway, ive gotta get on |
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| 13:16.24 | teprrr | hmm |
| 13:16.58 | jott | teprrr: really, the behaviour is identical on both versions. |
| 13:17.05 | lcuk | qinterface qstyle_interface = { q_magic,"qstyle",0,NULL,(void *)qstyle_free }; |
| 13:17.08 | lcuk | balls |
| 13:18.48 | teprrr | jott, hmm. looking at the code there's some define for checking whether it can be used. no idea though is QT_NO_DEBUG_PAINT (or something like that) is being defined for release builds. |
| 13:19.22 | jott | teprrr: really the .debug version is not a different build .. |
| 13:19.41 | jott | and i think it should be active... |
| 13:19.46 | jott | or better not set.. |
| 13:20.07 | teprrr | jott, ok. the problem lies somewhere else then.. although a bigger problem atm is that qmake doesn't seem to work inside sbox with armel target |
| 13:20.41 | teprrr | sigsegvs, just like uic-qt4 and others |
| 13:21.18 | jott | teprrr: i know. qemu is borked. you have to use the cvs-m version. |
| 13:21.32 | teprrr | qemu catches the signal actually.. could this happen because I'm running sbox inside virtualbox? |
| 13:21.43 | teprrr | ahh, humhum |
| 13:21.53 | jott | either export SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD=/scratchbox/devkits/cputransp/bin/qemu-arm-cvs-m |
| 13:22.02 | jott | or set it in your target config |
| 13:22.08 | jott | (to make it permanent) |
| 13:22.08 | chmac | Is apt-cache the best tool to browse available packages? Is there anything better than `apt-cache search` ? |
| 13:22.33 | teprrr | chmac, umh, what do you need? |
| 13:22.44 | teprrr | dpkg -l can also be used to query package database |
| 13:23.05 | jott | teprrr: it's a bit unfortunate. i think maybe we could do a wrapper script for that, but that's still sub-optimal. |
| 13:23.30 | chmac | teprrr: Ok, thanks. I typically use synaptic on my laptop because it's easier to search, double click something for more info, etc |
| 13:23.41 | jott | teprrr: it's due to the optimization flags used to build... |
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| 13:24.06 | teprrr | chmac, aptitude or some other cli ui perhaps? |
| 13:24.41 | teprrr | jott, ah. will try that.. let's see |
| 13:24.42 | jott | teprrr: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/qt4-devel/2008-August/000053.html here is my post to the ml about it... |
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| 13:26.46 | chmac | Ok, I've reflashed, installed a few things (vncviewer, openssh, not much else), changed the hostname, installed all the updates, now I'm borked again |
| 13:26.51 | snakemountain1 | moring. anyone ever install additional perl modules on you device or can point me to a link |
| 13:26.57 | chmac | The blue bar scrolls to 100% then nothing... |
| 13:27.20 | chmac | Is changing the hostname a big deal? |
| 13:28.54 | teprrr | jott, ah. thanks. seems to work.. hmm, can I change the config for the target without bootstrapping the target again? |
| 13:30.28 | Jaffa | snakemountain1: `apt-get' and `perl -MCPAN' should both just work |
| 13:30.42 | snakemountain1 | danka, i'll give it a try |
| 13:30.42 | jott | teprrr: yes, just edit /scratchbox/users/$USER/targets/xxxx.config |
| 13:31.43 | teprrr | jott, cool, thanks a lot :) |
| 13:31.52 | teprrr | ls |
| 13:31.57 | teprrr | oops |
| 13:35.00 | chmac | Has the OS2008 Feature upgrade (4.2008.30-2) caused anyone issues? |
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| 13:38.47 | gomiam | 4.2008.30-2? I'm still on 4.2008.23... damn :-D Do I need to reflash once again? |
| 13:39.41 | GAN800_ | ~ssu |
| 13:39.42 | infobot | methinks ssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU |
| 13:39.52 | gomiam | thanks |
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| 13:49.43 | lcuk | in c, if ive got a struct with lets say 5 members { int a,b,c,d,e; } if i use an initializer on the first 3 ie. struct A a = { 1,2,3 }; what happens to the uniniitialized items, am i safe to say they are NULL/0 ? |
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| 13:50.07 | teprrr | undefined, I think. could be anything |
| 13:50.51 | lcuk | thats a shame |
| 13:50.53 | teprrr | can't say for sure, have you tested what it does? I doubt it'd initialize those to 0/NULL |
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| 13:51.28 | lcuk | yes i tested, butl the "undefined" could simply be zero at this time with the memory allocated - they came out as null |
| 13:52.30 | lcuk | its in my head that if you init the first member in a constant { } block the remaining ones are set to 0, but i cant find anything to back up my thinking |
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| 13:57.24 | teprrr | from a little googling at least A a = { .a=1, .b=2 } etc. work with C99 |
| 13:58.08 | teprrr | and hmm, the whole struct gets initialized according to some Random Poster :) |
| 13:58.24 | lcuk | i think it works, my concern was adding new members and having to run round and extend the constant initializers |
| 13:59.01 | teprrr | "The members without an explicit initialiser will be initialised to the |
| 13:59.01 | teprrr | right type of zero. |
| 13:59.23 | teprrr | from http://bytes.com/forum/thread200848.html |
| 13:59.43 | liri | that's somewhat understandable and very common among most compilers |
| 14:00.32 | lcuk | yes liri, im just having to declare some statics and am just a bit rusty on things i havent done since wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy back before 2000 |
| 14:00.32 | liri | it's generally unnecessary but I like to explicitly initialize to zero all elements in an array like this: char mybuff[SIZE] = {0}; |
| 14:01.49 | lcuk | thanks guys, ill get my head back into it now |
| 14:02.28 | GeneralAntilles | I'm wondering more and more what Nokia's got cooking with GUPnP |
| 14:06.17 | chmac | Tablet has just borked for the 3rd time in a row... |
| 14:06.32 | chmac | I'm learning all my various passwords / wpa keys by heart at this rate |
| 14:06.42 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, network controlled lights |
| 14:06.53 | GAN800 | lol |
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| 14:07.13 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: UPnP's already part of media player; if they're looking at tracker for more than just search - a better, full-blown UPnP media player with thumbnailing etc.? |
| 14:07.21 | GAN800 | N900 will be sold with 3 complimentary SmartBulbs� :D |
| 14:08.22 | Jaffa | hopes we won't be disappointed with the fremantle stuff at the summit |
| 14:08.23 | johnx | GAN800, nope. The next non-phone from Nokia will be the Nokia Internet Light |
| 14:08.35 | johnx | it will have a revolutionary socket-based interface |
| 14:09.03 | GAN800 | you want to make a call, you gotta shout up at your ceiling fan. |
| 14:09.27 | GAN800 | loads up mediaserv. |
| 14:09.49 | ShadowJK | Q: Hi, can I overclock my Nokia Internet Light? I have 3-phase 380V power available. thx |
| 14:10.00 | GAN800 | MicroB always chokes on the thumbnail generation in big folders |
| 14:10.33 | GAN800 | I only get garbage for thumbnails anywat |
| 14:10.41 | GAN800 | s/wat/way/ |
| 14:11.14 | Jaffa | GAN800: prepping a new mediaserv release atm. May be delayed a couple of hours. Trying to diagnose a "mencoder not being killed" problem. |
| 14:11.20 | johnx | GAN800, nah, I think they want to focus on their core demographic which just use the tablets as pocket flashlights |
| 14:11.43 | GAN800 | They do make awesome flashlights |
| 14:12.18 | GAN800 | My friends always take out their cellphones, I take out 'The Illuminator'. |
| 14:13.49 | GAN800 | You know, show me another handheld that you can watch TV, browse the web and irc with. . . . |
| 14:14.55 | lcuk | n810s should have backing tracks - when you unlock them they should play the THX deep note |
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| 14:16.22 | lcuk | hmmm |
| 14:17.03 | yacoob | "I'm afraid I can't unlock the screen, Dave." |
| 14:17.32 | lcuk | the screen locking is a bit annoying to me - even when locked i can draw onto it |
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| 14:17.53 | GAN800 | You know what was a sound to behold? the 20th Anniversary Macintosh startup sound. |
| 14:18.15 | lcuk | hacks all n8x0s at the summit to play windows startup sound |
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| 14:21.58 | lcuk | ties jott to the chanwall |
| 14:22.30 | jott | stupid session died :~( |
| 14:24.35 | yacoob | why are you keeping stupid sessions then, keep smart ones! |
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| 14:24.53 | jott | i just tried just that :) |
| 14:25.30 | jott | the other one had to feel dash 9. |
| 14:26.12 | jott | vengeance! |
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| 14:39.47 | mikma | hi everyone. have you tried the openttd 0.6.2 from maemo extras-devel? i keep on getting segmentation fault everytime i try to run it |
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| 14:59.21 | chmac | Ok, so it seems adding "user ALL = (ALL) ALL" to visudo causes the system to bork |
| 14:59.23 | chmac | Hmm |
| 14:59.52 | chmac | Anyone know how I would file a suitable bug report? |
| 14:59.54 | qwerty12 | 1. use visudo. 2. Wouldn't you want a NOPASSWD in there too? |
| 15:00.10 | chmac | qwerty12: I guess that's the issue |
| 15:00.25 | chmac | qwerty12: But I don't really want to give user nopasswd access to all commands |
| 15:01.12 | Jaffa | But the user needs NOPASSWD sudo for some |
| 15:03.30 | qwerty12 | mikkov_: Can I steal your scripts to put data on the memory card? |
| 15:04.04 | jott | oh, the "dummy iap" is now "USB"? |
| 15:04.28 | qwerty12 | jott: it was fixed to take whatever name you give it. USB is given when you install the usb control panel applet. |
| 15:04.50 | jott | ah. |
| 15:04.59 | jott | so it does not actually work :) |
| 15:05.14 | qwerty12 | You can make multiple dummy entries like before now in Diablo using gconftool |
| 15:05.36 | qwerty12 | I currently have DEFAULT and DUMMY as a result of me messing around before the update :) |
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| 15:06.05 | jott | well they just should stop being morons and release the source... |
| 15:06.18 | jott | so one could make a proper usb network connection.. |
| 15:06.23 | qwerty12 | +1 |
| 15:06.48 | jott | at least this stupid dummy network thingy could be released.. |
| 15:07.35 | jott | ah well nokia and open source is still a long way to go :) |
| 15:08.46 | chmac | qwerty12: I was assuming all the NOPASSWD entries before the last one would apply first |
| 15:08.57 | chmac | I'm sure that used to be the case as I had my previous tablet set up that way and I'm pretty sure it worked |
| 15:09.01 | chmac | The recent updates have borked it though |
| 15:09.13 | chmac | At least now, 4 reflashes later, I know what the problem is! |
| 15:09.26 | chmac | I'm getting very good at the first few steps after a reflash |
| 15:09.34 | qwerty12 | I'm not really sure on how sudoers work. I just have sudser installed and that's it for me. |
| 15:10.51 | chmac | qwerty12: sudser, does that allow you to sudo as user? |
| 15:10.59 | qwerty12 | yeah |
| 15:11.40 | chmac | qwerty12: Hmm, I'll check it out, is it in extras? |
| 15:11.47 | qwerty12 | Yeah. |
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| 15:35.40 | chmac | Oh well, it seems I've found my issue at lesat |
| 15:35.47 | chmac | The same thing happens before I install the OS2008 update |
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| 16:38.19 | mikkov_ | qwerty12: yeah, use the scripts. You could also test if dh_fixperms --exclude dir is really needed. I think that updating or something didn't work without that. |
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| 16:39.05 | qwerty12 | mikkov_: Thanks, should be useful. |
| 16:52.11 | crashanddie | Google gets its own satellite: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10034476-93.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-5 |
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| 17:03.02 | lardman | afternoon |
| 17:03.41 | qwerty12 | Hi lardman |
| 17:04.53 | lardman | hey qwerty12 |
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| 17:06.41 | qwerty12 | curses as I realise I typed root instead of rott out of habit |
| 17:13.49 | lardman | wonders if he should add a post to the "Council thread : who wants my vote - and why?" thread, sounds like a copy & paste job from a job application :) |
| 17:14.14 | brontide | firefox 3 under osx keeps crashing |
| 17:17.21 | crashanddie | brontide, wrong channel |
| 17:17.41 | brontide | the only site that I was browsing at the time was the maemo wiki |
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| 17:22.45 | rm_you | Damn, my Wiki login is still broken |
| 17:23.07 | StsN800 | there isn't a software method to measure how much energy the tablet uses is there? |
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| 17:23.07 | brontide | darkblue_B: any thoughs on using avahi to advertise your web services over bonjour |
| 17:23.43 | lardman | StsN800: uptime before it shuts down? |
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| 17:24.16 | StsN800 | hehe.. i was more thinking along the lines of powertop |
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| 17:24.42 | lardman | really though, is there a script somewhere to measure battery life? I could do with testing sbcenc |
| 17:25.00 | RST38h | lardman: it is easy to write |
| 17:25.15 | StsN800 | lardman, kcbatt maybe |
| 17:25.16 | lardman | RST38hL I know, I've just got other things to do as ever :) |
| 17:25.24 | RST38h | just read value from procfs (or whatever it is called) and drop it into a text file |
| 17:25.24 | lardman | s/L/: |
| 17:25.34 | qwerty12 | StsN800: powertop requires a kernel with a funky .config option which the n800 doesn't like :/ |
| 17:25.35 | RST38h | lardman: yes, but it is 3-line easy =) |
| 17:25.54 | lardman | RST38h: I'm 3-line busy! ;) |
| 17:26.35 | lardman | actually I'd need to remember to charge my bt headset which is more of a problem |
| 17:26.50 | lopz | hola |
| 17:27.03 | RST38h | [thtat was 3+ lines of IRC messages just now ;)] |
| 17:27.29 | qwerty12 | lardman: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=219869&postcount=21 - battery status from http://www.nitapps.com/ is needed which has a built in logging function. kcbatt - http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/kcbatt/ - is good to look at too |
| 17:27.33 | lardman | yeah, I'm running at ~1% brain capactity atm to save on food |
| 17:28.09 | lardman | cheers qwerty12 I'll take a look |
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| 17:30.07 | crashanddie | lardman, I know the feeling |
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| 17:30.49 | mavhc | why does the firmware update program say "disconnect the charger", seems, well, crazy |
| 17:31.41 | MadMan2k | hi, can someone tell me how to listen to the right click events in hildon? |
| 17:32.02 | lardman | mavhc: CO2 ;) |
| 17:33.32 | mavhc | would help if the download of the firmware wasn't really slow, is nokia running their servers on actual nokia products? |
| 17:34.18 | mikma | so, anyone here tried the openttd 0.6.2 from maemo extras-devel? |
| 17:35.55 | brontide | mavhc: because the NIT's are not really "off" when plugged in, they need to be cold booted to accept a new flash and that means unplugged so they truly turn off |
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| 17:38.02 | StsN800 | mavhc, it is a running joke here that maemo.org is run on 770s:P |
| 17:38.26 | qwerty12 | StsN800: I thought they were planning to upgrade to N800? |
| 17:39.29 | StsN800 | yes, but they are beta testing soldering more ram on the 770s;) |
| 17:39.43 | qwerty12 | hehe |
| 17:47.42 | lardman | right, I've just sent my job application ;) |
| 17:48.16 | lardman | at least that's what if felt like |
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| 17:53.03 | eichi | we need more nice games on maemo that arent small mini-game like things ^^ |
| 17:53.36 | eichi | someone can tell me some? only hex-a-hop is a great one. wesnoth too, but its not good playing on nxxx |
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| 17:56.27 | K_away | eichi: do it yourself ! |
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| 18:12.45 | mikma | well. there is still the openttd 0.6.2 that keeps segfaulting =/ |
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| 18:16.42 | liri | I see the Google Street map in maemo mapper upside down :) |
| 18:17.55 | BULLE | liri: so dont hold your tablet uppside down! |
| 18:18.22 | liri | it's not heh |
| 18:18.30 | liri | seriously, is there a flip toggle there or what? |
| 18:21.05 | liri | oh, toggling auto rotate off does the job |
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| 18:25.41 | yacoob | hm? tablet has inertia sensors? |
| 18:25.47 | liri | is there an easier way to zoom in/out without having to go to the menu? |
| 18:25.58 | yacoob | liri, use +/- keys? |
| 18:26.08 | yacoob | (I presume you're talking about maemo mapper) |
| 18:26.28 | yacoob | if they don't work for you, go to settings, visit 'hardware keys' section and put zoom in/out where you'd like it to be |
| 18:26.39 | liri | yeah maemo mapper on the n810 |
| 18:29.00 | liri | + and - are indeed set in the settings but it doesn't work |
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| 18:32.53 | yacoob | I think there was a comment on that on the mapper's homepage. |
| 18:32.59 | yacoob | or in the help? |
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| 18:39.57 | mavhc | I do like hexahop |
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| 18:49.21 | liri | the help page doesn't have any info about it |
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| 18:51.23 | liri | it has a reset button which I don't want to press |
| 18:54.49 | yacoob | hm... do I need to somehow tell fbreader to refresh its library? I've set the path right, but it doesn't seem to see the files, and I don't want to add them one by one. |
| 18:55.15 | lcuk | just add the first manually and normally by the time you've finished that its scanned and added the ones you expect |
| 18:55.42 | qwerty12_N800 | yacoob: it only scans certain types of files automatically :( |
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| 18:55.45 | lcuk | thou for ages i thought the library only showed items which you had read so didnt see it as a downside |
| 18:57.04 | liri | yacoob: whats a decent zoom level for street maps? |
| 18:58.16 | yacoob | liri, I use 5-8 mostly, but I'm only geocaching. You might want 10+ for driving a car... |
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| 19:02.48 | yacoob | uh, tablet rebooted |
| 19:08.39 | liri | ahh ok |
| 19:09.02 | liri | well would be nice if I figured out how to use the + and - for zoom in/out |
| 19:11.01 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: *trying to dpkg-buildpackage hildon-input-framework |
| 19:12.46 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: cool, i'd have liked to have tried but networkmanager is disconnecting my net connection when I ssh into deblet :/ |
| 19:13.06 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: yeah.. nfi what is amatter with NM. Think monkies wrote it. |
| 19:13.43 | qwerty12_N800 | lol, i don't like networkmanager, keep it disabled on my desktop too |
| 19:14.12 | Stskeeps | there's always editing /etc/network/interfaces and overridingNM :P |
| 19:14.35 | qwerty12_N800 | yep :) |
| 19:17.25 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i do wonder if a gtk program using hildon im through gtk im.. requires the whole hildon stuff running |
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| 19:19.13 | summatusmentis | is there a reason gpe-calendar isn't in extras? |
| 19:22.13 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: oh, and i'm doing this in deblet on my tablet. i think it's going to burst into flames. |
| 19:24.27 | K_away | summatusmentis: it s in extras-devel |
| 19:25.12 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: http://rafb.net/p/LZOa9S90.html <- woop |
| 19:25.47 | summatusmentis | what's the repo search? |
| 19:29.48 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: brilliant! but the shlibs msgs aren't filling me with confidence :) |
| 19:30.26 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: heh, and just had my deblet reboot :> |
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| 19:31.11 | qwerty12_N800 | I just keep my wd's off. easiest solution in kde + deblet... |
| 19:31.36 | Stskeeps | yeah.. wonder what causes it though |
| 19:31.43 | Stskeeps | i suspect oom killer not configured ight |
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| 19:32.36 | summatusmentis | still no microsd cards larger than 8GB right? |
| 19:32.50 | mzechner | greetings. a small question: i just installed gcc 3.4 from the chinook repository. i tried compiling a simple hello world app but ld can't find crt1. i googled for quiet some time now but that didn't help. any tips are appreciated |
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| 19:37.10 | Stskeeps | wb |
| 19:37.52 | qwerty12_n800 | thx, i'm trying mpd |
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| 19:46.04 | qwerty12-N800 | internet connection fuxed up when attempting to install mpd :/ |
| 19:51.35 | crashanddie | summatusmentis, nope |
| 19:52.27 | crashanddie | summatusmentis, start of october 2008 |
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| 19:52.35 | crashanddie | "We are taking pre-orders now from the first UK shipment due in at the start of October 2008. When the stock arrives, orders will be filled based on the pre-order date. We do expect demand to outstrip supply on the product for much of Q4." |
| 19:52.45 | crashanddie | "Our Price: £38.29 (£44.99 inc VAT)" |
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| 19:57.41 | crashanddie | lol @ 32Gb SD card: Weight: 0.4 kg |
| 19:58.03 | Stskeeps | qwerty12-N800: i did introduce a new optimization thing in /etc/init.d/boot-basics taken from maemo.. it may work counterproductive |
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| 19:58.38 | Stskeeps | it hasn't been tested throughly :P (i guess this is one problem of alpha software..) |
| 19:58.56 | qwerty12-N800 | :) |
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| 20:01.40 | liri | who said a zoom of 10 is enough for car nav? hardly a 7 is enough :) |
| 20:03.02 | Stskeeps | qwerty12-N800: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/hildon-input-method-framework/ |
| 20:03.45 | qwerty12-N800 | Thanks! I'll install when i'm in deblet later :) |
| 20:03.57 | Stskeeps | np |
| 20:04.07 | ricko73 | roadmap has been quite stable for gps maps in the US |
| 20:04.11 | Stskeeps | didn't verify them yet but gonna play a bit now while the gf is soaking in the tub anyway.. :P |
| 20:05.07 | lcuk | Jaffa, are you around? |
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| 20:08.34 | Jaffa | lcuk: yup |
| 20:09.17 | lcuk | hi, just a quickie, your video converter - any idea how long it would take to run actually on the device? |
| 20:10.26 | Jaffa | For a typical 640x368 DivX off the Internet to the lowest resolution preset: a realistic time, sub-realtime. |
| 20:10.55 | Jaffa | Of course, if ssvb's optimisations for mplayer also affect the decoding in mencoder (and, ideally, the encoding) it mightn't be as long as one thought. |
| 20:10.58 | lcuk | i know it owuldnt be realtime - but im just thinking whilst its plugged in somewhere |
| 20:11.02 | Jaffa | Would be interesting to know |
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| 20:11.57 | lcuk | if i get round to it ill stick it on device and find out, was more curiosity than anything |
| 20:12.19 | Jaffa | lcuk: yeah, is there a mencoder build? |
| 20:12.51 | lcuk | i dunno, ill look when i have a break later - i just wanted to see if anyones been mad enough yet |
| 20:12.57 | qwerty12-N800 | yer, bundyo's got one from rc2 based off ssvb's mplayer rc1 |
| 20:13.30 | Jaffa | cool |
| 20:13.42 | lcuk | is making classes with inheritance in c. and they appear to work :S |
| 20:14.26 | BULLE | lcuk: just look at gtk+ and feel the pain =D |
| 20:15.26 | lcuk | bulle, im having to look everywhere BUT the pre-built stuff, ive somehow chosen the path of most spikey crushed glass sore knackers resistance :) |
| 20:15.52 | lcuk | wishes graphics looked nice and pretty and fast using the default methods |
| 20:15.54 | BULLE | hehe |
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| 20:18.27 | lcuk | thanks jaffa anyway, cyas later |
| 20:20.35 | Jaffa | cya |
| 20:21.28 | Stskeeps | qwerty12-N800: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/h-i-m.png |
| 20:21.37 | Stskeeps | is kinda useless but it actually works.. |
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| 20:22.25 | qwerty12-N800 | >.<, I think it would work well in nit-env-stskeeps |
| 20:22.44 | Stskeeps | qwerty12-N800: for putting more fuglies on the screens? ;) |
| 20:23.10 | qwerty12-N800 | nah, because n-e-s uses matchbox |
| 20:23.43 | Stskeeps | true |
| 20:23.53 | Stskeeps | iz progress however |
| 20:23.54 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:24.12 | qwerty12-N800 | :) |
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| 20:38.15 | Stskeeps | qwerty12-N800: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=221728&postcount=19 for documentation |
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| 20:40.49 | qwerty12-N800 | Thanks, I really want to get ssh set up so I can compile but doing it using MB is gonna make me crazy. unless I chroot :/ |
| 20:42.01 | Stskeeps | got usbnet? |
| 20:42.07 | Stskeeps | there's a telnetd open on usb0 :P |
| 20:42.13 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 20:42.16 | Stskeeps | true, your kernel |
| 20:43.08 | qwerty12-N800 | i cant think of anything else, i had the perfect working settings, nothing changed but it stopped working :/ |
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| 20:56.02 | solmumaha | qwerty12-N800: why did you thank me in your rott announcement? :) |
| 20:56.43 | qwerty12-N800 | solmumaha: I'm using modified version of your scripts :) |
| 20:57.10 | Jaffa | Right, tablet-encode v2.20 released. mediaserv v0.06 may have to wait another day. |
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| 21:01.43 | solmumaha | does your package update properly? |
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| 21:03.08 | qwerty12-N800 | I have a feeling it does, at least it reinstalled successfully while it was already installed. but i shift the data in the postinst, not the preinst |
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| 21:13.41 | moontiger | lcuk, how is the apple keyboard in real world use? |
| 21:13.54 | moontiger | oh crap i missed him |
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| 21:18.44 | lcuk | i havent used it recently, but everytime i pick it up i marvel at its feel and comfort |
| 21:19.00 | lcuk | not quite, im codin not climbin everest |
| 21:20.00 | lcuk | moontiger, the one thing i miss is delete. |
| 21:20.03 | yacoob | any of you people tried android on n8xx? |
| 21:20.36 | qwerty12-N800 | yacoob: it's old now :/ (if you mean the installer) |
| 21:20.36 | moontiger | lcuk, can you not remap that key above backspace to be delete? |
| 21:20.58 | lcuk | i probably could but for the amount of times i use it i just curse and do it the other way |
| 21:21.18 | lcuk | shift right delete |
| 21:21.18 | moontiger | someone was telling me a simple xmodmap thingy would do the trick :) |
| 21:21.38 | lcuk | it proably would but im a clutz at things like that |
| 21:21.46 | moontiger | ohhhhhhh shift+delete = delete? |
| 21:22.01 | yacoob | qwerty12-N800, I'm rather interested in general impressions - provided that android can do all that maemo can do + have decent PIM - this might be interesting |
| 21:22.03 | lcuk | no, shift + move cursor over what i wanna delete then backspace |
| 21:22.11 | moontiger | is it big? i mean to carry around in my bag with my other stuff? |
| 21:22.38 | lcuk | http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=810cratelaptopmodetc6.jpg |
| 21:22.45 | lcuk | for context |
| 21:22.50 | qwerty12-N800 | http://cs.gmu.edu/~sean/stuff/n800/keyboard/ |
| 21:23.38 | lcuk | thanks qwerty, saved and stored directly on my nokia :) |
| 21:24.04 | lcuk | will do it when he needs it |
| 21:24.19 | qwerty12-N800 | np, mgedmin has diablo versions of xev + xmodmap in his repo |
| 21:24.27 | lcuk | ive got xev here |
| 21:24.33 | lcuk | was looking for something the other day |
| 21:26.31 | crashanddie | chrome fails @ wine |
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| 21:32.35 | dskippy | I am having a tricky time allowing a user to install some software on the maemo. Basically I have a script (running as "user") that I want to run dpkg in. |
| 21:33.21 | dskippy | I have done a chown root:root myscript |
| 21:33.34 | dskippy | And then chmod aug+s myscript |
| 21:34.33 | lbt | pretty sure you can't setuid a shellscript |
| 21:34.38 | dskippy | I thought that would cause my shell script to run with root privilages. But when I run it I get "dpkg: requested operation requires superuser privilege" |
| 21:34.47 | dskippy | Oh really? Does it need to be a binary? |
| 21:34.58 | lbt | the binary running is the shell interpreter |
| 21:35.49 | dskippy | So I guess I could write a C program to wrap dpkg in a secure way (meaning I set the arguments) and setuid that binary. |
| 21:36.18 | yacoob | dskippy, why don't you just suid the dpkg? :) |
| 21:36.23 | lbt | at that point I suggest just giving the user root |
| 21:36.24 | yacoob | (unless there's more than dpkg) |
| 21:36.53 | dskippy | Well I was hoping to avoid opening up a general usage program to avoid security issues. |
| 21:37.07 | dskippy | Though I don't really have much to worry about in my usage. |
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| 21:37.21 | dskippy | I just was frustrated that I couldn't do it "the right way" (TM) |
| 21:38.25 | mdg | Hello! Anyone have any tips for downloading firmware - it won't accept my ID # |
| 21:39.35 | GeneralAntilles | mdg, sure you're on the right page? |
| 21:39.36 | jott | dskippy: why do you want to use a script at all to install something? that's what dpkg/deb packages are for... |
| 21:40.16 | mdg | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/os2008_hacker_edition.php - is this the right page? |
| 21:40.46 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 21:40.54 | mdg | Is there something I'm not doing right in Linux mint? |
| 21:41.13 | mdg | maybe I should try on my windows machine? |
| 21:41.30 | GeneralAntilles | Shouldn't matter |
| 21:41.40 | lbt | I'm getting can't resolve symbol '__register_frame_info' running a binary in initfs under uclibc |
| 21:41.44 | GeneralAntilles | It is the Wifi WLAN MAC, right? |
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| 21:41.51 | mdg | yes |
| 21:42.00 | lbt | I've tried both scratchbox uclibc versions |
| 21:42.09 | lbt | any ideas? |
| 21:42.09 | qwerty12-N800 | lbt: static compile |
| 21:42.22 | mdg | I'll recheck cookies |
| 21:42.25 | Kegetys | why does it even require the mac |
| 21:42.36 | lbt | nope - just tried that |
| 21:42.55 | lbt | damned watchdog just kicked me again... |
| 21:42.59 | jott | lbt: static should always work. make sure you really used -static :) |
| 21:43.03 | qwerty12-N800 | hmm, all my initfs binaries work when static compiled |
| 21:43.15 | lbt | gcc -B static |
| 21:43.33 | qwerty12-N800 | -static |
| 21:43.54 | lbt | Oh, must have read the wrong docs... |
| 21:43.56 | lbt | OK |
| 21:44.36 | mdg | still no luck |
| 21:44.57 | mdg | I'll try my windows machine (ick!) |
| 21:45.50 | qwerty12-N800 | lbt: enable rd-mode, dsme wont reboot after 4 mins. also, i find it's easier to put my initfs bonaries in /tmp in maemo over ssh and chroot /mnt/initfs and test like that |
| 21:46.04 | qwerty12-N800 | s/bonaries/binaries/ |
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| 21:46.31 | lbt | qwerty12-N800: good tips - thanks :) |
| 21:46.42 | jott | you actually don't need to chroot to test :) |
| 21:47.08 | lbt | I wanted to be *absolutely* sure it was running against the initfs libraries... |
| 21:47.14 | dskippy | Actually "chmod ug+s /usr/bin/dpkg" doesn't even work. I still get the permission error when I run dpkg as user. |
| 21:47.35 | jott | it will not use the initfs libraries if it's static :P |
| 21:47.36 | qwerty12-N800 | jott: true, if it's static it'll work anyway but i like the idea of running it in a initfs environment :) |
| 21:47.41 | lbt | dpkg is probably bright enough to drop privs |
| 21:48.04 | dskippy | Damn dpkg and its brightness. |
| 21:48.06 | jott | dskippy: why do you want to do it in the fist place? |
| 21:48.34 | lbt | do either of you guys run usbnet against a bleeding 2.62.7-rcX kernel? |
| 21:48.49 | lbt | I get : unable to enumerate USB device on port 2 |
| 21:48.50 | dskippy | jott: Good question. I have a program that is running on several nokias. Updating them all when I want to make a change is very difficult. I want the nokia to check for new versions itself and install it. |
| 21:48.53 | GeneralAntilles | Kegetys, that should be fairly obvious. |
| 21:48.57 | lbt | which *may* be a regression |
| 21:49.05 | GeneralAntilles | It's Nokia's way of ensuring you actually have a device |
| 21:49.07 | jott | dskippy: that's what package versions are for... |
| 21:49.13 | MakeGho | I wish there was some Go training software for n810 |
| 21:49.15 | jott | and repositories.. |
| 21:49.17 | dskippy | Jott: Yes I know. |
| 21:49.19 | GeneralAntilles | and therefore a license to a lot of the stuff on the tablet. |
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| 21:49.43 | Kegetys | GeneralAntilles: but if its the wlan mac address then it should not be that difficult for someone to "steal" your MAC address |
| 21:49.44 | dskippy | Jott: It doesn't work though. I want it to run when the user runs my program, check for updates, and install them. |
| 21:49.52 | GeneralAntilles | Kegetys, that's not the point. |
| 21:50.06 | GeneralAntilles | It's to satisfy various third-party vendors and Nokia legal. |
| 21:50.07 | jott | dskippy: that's not the "linux" way.. |
| 21:50.28 | dskippy | Jott: I am well aware of that. But I can't rely on the user to make updates. |
| 21:50.33 | lbt | dskippy: run a cronjob as root |
| 21:50.36 | GeneralAntilles | dskippy, familiarize yourself with package management. |
| 21:50.49 | Kegetys | GeneralAntilles: so, not logical at all and just a pointless inconvinience for the user :) |
| 21:50.50 | dskippy | General: I am pretty familiar. |
| 21:51.01 | GeneralAntilles | Kegetys, as with most legal requirements. |
| 21:51.14 | GeneralAntilles | But there is clearly a reason for it that's out of Nokia's hands. :) |
| 21:51.22 | lbt | dskippy: or maybe a cron.daily equivalent |
| 21:51.28 | dskippy | The issue is that these devices are going to be managed by a museum currator and given out to museum visitors. |
| 21:51.33 | lbt | you'd need to do it via alarmd on maemo |
| 21:51.33 | jott | dskippy: just exit you app with a message box telling the user to upgrade :) |
| 21:51.50 | dskippy | Jott: I'm sure I can do better than that. |
| 21:51.51 | jott | dskippy: then update via cron.. |
| 21:51.53 | lbt | are they powered up and down? |
| 21:51.56 | jott | or at startup.. |
| 21:52.10 | dskippy | I don't think cron will run if the device is off, will it? |
| 21:52.11 | lbt | jott: are you looking over my shoulder? |
| 21:52.23 | dskippy | lbt: They are off every day during closing. |
| 21:52.33 | Kegetys | GeneralAntilles: or they just dont bother with making such issues better because when you need that you have already paid for the device, which is what they care about ;) |
| 21:52.36 | lbt | really off? |
| 21:52.41 | qwerty12-N800 | anacron? |
| 21:52.43 | dskippy | lbt: Yes. |
| 21:52.53 | lbt | then edit the startup script |
| 21:52.59 | GeneralAntilles | Kegetys, I'm quite certain they'd prefer not having to implement complicated webserver checks. :) |
| 21:53.05 | dskippy | Where's that? |
| 21:53.10 | lbt | and apt-get install (after the wifi connects) |
| 21:53.35 | GeneralAntilles | But, particularly in the Opera days, they have licensing requirements to satisfy with 3rd-party companies. |
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| 21:54.00 | dskippy | lbt: Oh crap, it's quite likely the devices will be out of wifi range until they are needed. |
| 21:54.03 | lbt | look in /etc/rcX.d |
| 21:54.11 | lbt | that's OK |
| 21:54.15 | dskippy | I don't know if I can rely on a signal until the application is about to run. |
| 21:54.36 | lbt | pull the pkg in whilst on wifi |
| 21:54.39 | Kegetys | GeneralAntilles: well, they could just add a whole load of legal text and a checkbox "I agree and swear I own the device", and say to any 3rd party that if thats not good enough then goodbye we'll find someone who's more reasonable |
| 21:54.40 | lbt | --download |
| 21:54.50 | lbt | and then install it the next morning |
| 21:54.55 | GeneralAntilles | Kegetys, yeah, right. |
| 21:55.09 | GeneralAntilles | Hey, ho, guess what, our internet tablet doesn't have a browser anymore! |
| 21:55.22 | dskippy | lbt: Yeah that's true. I could have a one-day delay. but that's pretty annoying if an update is critical. |
| 21:55.40 | lbt | well, keep a wifi AP near the place they're turned on then |
| 21:55.46 | lbt | d'oh |
| 21:56.04 | dskippy | lbt: :) Not possible |
| 21:56.15 | Kegetys | GeneralAntilles: how do you know what opera would say? my point is just that they dont bother doing that because it is an issue that is not visible until you have already paid for the device and therefore propably is not a very high priority... same thing with nokia phones too on my experience |
| 21:56.18 | lbt | well, you ain't updating without a network |
| 21:56.34 | lbt | and if the device is in the users hands when it goes in range |
| 21:56.37 | jott | dskippy: then just check hourly for updates and download them... |
| 21:56.40 | dskippy | Are we sure it's not possible to allow "user" to install stuff? How does the application manager work? I never enter a password when using that. |
| 21:56.44 | lbt | you can't nicely update then either |
| 21:56.54 | jott | dskippy: sudoers |
| 21:56.56 | dskippy | jott: That might be the best way. |
| 21:57.32 | jott | dskippy: then just put some nice stuff in the pre/postinst scripts to guide the user... |
| 21:57.41 | dskippy | I read sudoers a while ago. It actually contained a lot of programs that aren't there. |
| 21:57.55 | jott | (like "sorry for inconveniences, please press ok blabla") |
| 21:57.59 | dskippy | user ALL = (install) NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/app-installer-tool |
| 21:58.10 | dskippy | app-installer-tool |
| 21:58.13 | dskippy | Doesn't exist. |
| 21:58.37 | jott | and cron is run as root anyway.. |
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| 21:58.44 | yacoob | dskippy, but what's the problem with that? :) |
| 21:59.47 | jott | dskippy: ok so my proposal: run a system upgrade via cron every hour. |
| 22:00.09 | jott | but don't use external repositories, just your own so you have control over what will be updated. |
| 22:00.15 | dskippy | yacoob: Nothing accept I don't understand it. |
| 22:01.01 | jott | and run the upgrade with nice, so it won't interrupt the user that much. |
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| 22:01.14 | dskippy | Jott: I think I agree. That's the current winner. But if it's possible to allow the user to install stuff using sudoers I'd prefer that. |
| 22:01.45 | lbt | I thought you said the users were museum custodians? |
| 22:01.46 | jott | dskippy: that should work too .. but why not use existing infrastructure? :) |
| 22:02.02 | yacoob | lbt, oh, they can handle new technology as well... :) |
| 22:02.05 | jott | (well cron has to be installed, but still) |
| 22:02.15 | jott | it's prooven to work |
| 22:02.17 | dskippy | jott: 1) sudoers is also existing infrastructure. |
| 22:02.30 | GeneralAntilles | What, exactly, do they need to install? |
| 22:02.35 | lbt | yeah, but frankly I make my software easy for *me* to use - and I can handle it! |
| 22:02.40 | lcuk | cant you jsut hook into the existing ssu type thing and get automatic updates? |
| 22:02.40 | jott | GeneralAntilles: his own deployed packages. |
| 22:02.44 | lbt | I just don't want to most of the time |
| 22:02.47 | dskippy | jott: 2) There is an annoying situation with the cron. It's a race condition. |
| 22:03.36 | jott | lcuk: that needs too much user interaction. i would remove the application manager completely from the device.. |
| 22:03.37 | dskippy | Jott: Turn on device, run the program, expect the new update, then after the app starts the cron updates it, the user doesn't see this until the exit and restart which might be tomorrow. |
| 22:04.10 | dskippy | jott: There is no race condition if the update is part of the app running and forces a check and possibly install when the user turns on the device and runs the app. |
| 22:04.16 | jott | but if you say your updates are criticial and can't wait a day? .. |
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| 22:04.38 | dskippy | Jott: I can't parse that sentence. |
| 22:05.20 | jott | you said it would be bad to run cron the next morning as your updates might contain critical fixes that need to be deployed more or less immediately... |
| 22:05.33 | lbt | smells a dead horse |
| 22:05.36 | lcuk | if the deps arent gonna change just write a small bin_start program which does update checking and which might be replaced by the main software |
| 22:05.48 | lcuk | we do it in windows quite a lot |
| 22:05.48 | dskippy | Jott: Yes, that's right. |
| 22:05.59 | dskippy | And the fastest they can get there to do a check every time the user runs the program. |
| 22:06.11 | jott | ah so the program is started often? |
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| 22:06.23 | jott | i thought about starting it in the morning and exit it in the evening.. |
| 22:06.44 | lcuk | if its business software it might not be shutdown routinely |
| 22:06.48 | dskippy | Jott: It usually is run all day, yes. |
| 22:06.53 | lcuk | do YOU turn off your calculator? |
| 22:07.10 | lcuk | big pc is one thing.. |
| 22:07.43 | dskippy | Jott: But if we need them to fix it I'd rather tell them "Exit and restart" rather than "Exist, wait 5 minutes, restart, if you see the fix, you're good, if not, you didn't wait long enough. Do it again and wait longer this time." |
| 22:09.14 | jott | huh?! |
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| 22:09.45 | jott | anyway, either way should work. via sudoers within your application or with a cron job with sanity checks |
| 22:10.09 | dskippy | Jott: Using the cron solution provides a race condition that I'd like to avoid. Museum currators are not tech saavy and might mess things up in a way that's hard for me to debug over the phone. |
| 22:10.58 | jott | there are no race conditions if you do it right.. .. |
| 22:11.05 | jott | anyway. |
| 22:11.10 | jott | do as you please.. |
| 22:11.11 | dskippy | Jott: Your way is fine, sure. I might use your solution if I can't make this sudoers thing work. But it's not as good for my situation as some other solutions I want to explore. |
| 22:11.42 | dskippy | Jott: If I want them to do an update in the middle of the day there is. Especially if some devices are still off. |
| 22:12.36 | lcuk | dskippy, if they have network connectivity you can use vnc to support them just like a regular pooter |
| 22:12.45 | lcuk | or ssh even |
| 22:13.19 | jott | dskippy: huh? if you do it right, then there should be no race conditions.... |
| 22:13.22 | dskippy | lcuk: The issue is with the N800's. They aren't using any other computer. |
| 22:13.32 | lcuk | read what i put again |
| 22:13.35 | jott | anyway. just use sudoers if you feel better with it.. |
| 22:13.52 | dskippy | lcuk: You want to install ssh or vnc on the nokia's you mean? |
| 22:13.57 | dskippy | I have ssh on the nokias. |
| 22:14.32 | lcuk | then technically it does not matter how far away you are, whichever method you use you have options |
| 22:14.41 | dskippy | I can't ssh into a nokia that is turned off though. |
| 22:15.03 | jott | lcuk: still better to have a system that does not need ssh support at all :) even though it is good to have the option :) |
| 22:15.13 | lcuk | if its turned off they have bigger updating problems |
| 22:15.26 | dskippy | I have the option. In fact that's how I currently do it. |
| 22:15.52 | dskippy | It's annoying to ssh into 30 nokias. I wrote a script to do it for me. But the script fails on the ones that are sleeping or turned off. |
| 22:16.21 | dskippy | I get no guarentee that they will be updated. Hence wanting cron or just a trigger on running my app. |
| 22:17.00 | dskippy | Just a quick note: "user ALL = (install) NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/dpkg" didn't work. I added that to /etc/sudoers. |
| 22:17.23 | lcuk | then on startup check for update, download the package and ssh 127.0.0.1 "dpkg etc" |
| 22:17.52 | lcuk | if thats already preconfigured you dont need to mess with sudoers or anything do you? |
| 22:18.08 | jott | dskippy: did you use "sudo dpkg"? :) |
| 22:18.33 | dskippy | Doing dpkg in startup doesn't allow for a mid-day patch |
| 22:18.38 | dskippy | Oh jott: No I'm dumb. |
| 22:18.42 | dskippy | Let me try that again. |
| 22:19.22 | lcuk | if its updated whilst running without giving your software warnings couldnt that cause other issues? |
| 22:19.35 | dskippy | Yeah that worked. |
| 22:20.32 | dskippy | Alright I think I've got all the info I need. Thanks for the help guys. |
| 22:21.00 | jott | dskippy: have you infos about your project? |
| 22:21.03 | jott | sounds interesting. |
| 22:21.14 | dskippy | jott: Yeah... |
| 22:21.16 | dskippy | One sec |
| 22:22.24 | dskippy | http://aldrichart.org/exhibitions/burgund.php |
| 22:22.31 | dskippy | the museum's exhbit page |
| 22:22.52 | dskippy | roundware.sf.net |
| 22:22.56 | dskippy | Project page |
| 22:23.18 | dskippy | New York Times write up: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/08/nyregion/nyregionspecial2/08artswe.html?ex=1370577600&en=51d78e69a7cb21f0&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink |
| 22:23.43 | dskippy | Anyway, I have to run. Thanks again for the help guys. I'm sure one or both of these solutions will do just fine. |
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| 22:51.19 | rm_you | psst... someone know how to say "bitch" in german? the offensive context :P |
| 22:51.57 | rm_you | also, anyone know about using US credit cards / bank cards in Deutschland? |
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| 22:59.19 | AStorm | credit cards will work |
| 22:59.25 | AStorm | bank cards - most likely not |
| 22:59.36 | lcuk | gimme the numbers and names and stuff and ill test em for you |
| 23:00.07 | AStorm | ;P |
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| 23:03.03 | jott | rm_you: "hure" or "schlampe" (where "hure" is more of a prostitute and "schlampe" one who does it with everybody) |
| 23:03.38 | jott | rm_you: visa is probably the best choice for cc here. |
| 23:03.38 | lcuk | ummm jott, just so we are sure, how would we ummm pronounce those? |
| 23:04.28 | lcuk | and jott, what do you say as a cuss word when you stub your toe |
| 23:04.47 | lcuk | just a general expletive which doesnt point at anyone in particular |
| 23:05.02 | jott | erm. i guess something like "hoore" and "shlahmpeh" :) |
| 23:05.20 | jott | better lookup exact phoenetics :) |
| 23:05.24 | crashanddie | rm_you, call your bank, and ask with which bank in germany they have an agreement for free withdrawals |
| 23:05.50 | lcuk | did you actually sit there goin "hooor" "hoOOOoor" of fuckit *clickity( |
| 23:06.16 | jott | hehe |
| 23:06.25 | crashanddie | hure is actually like hoorah but with a silent a |
| 23:06.37 | lcuk | mental note, black keyboard with monitor light at the wrong angle really makes my day |
| 23:06.44 | crashanddie | but then again, it depends how you pronounce "hoorah" |
| 23:06.56 | lcuk | <accent="northern"> |
| 23:07.20 | crashanddie | <pronunciation="fail" /></accent> |
| 23:07.49 | lcuk | <instrnet_portal><stab_you_in_the_eye /> |
| 23:08.00 | GeneralAntilles | Mmm . . . that was a good stak. |
| 23:08.01 | lcuk | ffs @ typing |
| 23:08.04 | GeneralAntilles | s/stak/steak/ |
| 23:08.10 | crashanddie | ERROR: EXPECTING CLOSING TAG AT LINE 1 |
| 23:08.41 | lcuk | a linuxtag :D |
| 23:08.58 | crashanddie | what other reunions are there this year? |
| 23:09.05 | crashanddie | well, "cons" |
| 23:09.33 | lcuk | junkets :) |
| 23:09.37 | crashanddie | I missed out on TLHOPE, I'm going to miss OSiM and the Maemo Summit |
| 23:09.49 | GeneralAntilles | Ha! |
| 23:09.52 | crashanddie | c'mon, bring it on, this year's the year I'm missing them all |
| 23:09.54 | GeneralAntilles | It's just as well I'm not able to make it. :P |
| 23:09.58 | lcuk | hackers festivals |
| 23:11.30 | crashanddie | [22:07] (ChrisAM) I can't get selinux to turn on. |
| 23:11.30 | crashanddie | [22:10] (cs_weasel) caress it gently |
| 23:13.35 | GeneralAntilles | really wishes he had a decent camera up here. |
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