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00:03.16evaryontAnyone here able to install Granule (the flash card program) on n800/OS2008?
00:03.34evaryontI can't - every time I've tried the App Manager can't find gstreamer-tools
00:03.44evaryontand I don't know where to get gst-tools :(
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00:19.03GeneralAntillesWell, I've got an Angstrom serial console.
00:19.07GeneralAntillesGotta wait for that damn cable. . . .
00:22.40RST38hcongratulations :)
00:23.26GeneralAntillesI've now reached the level of semi-tard.
00:25.13RST38huses opportunity to curse ICNexus for not installing SSHD on their dev board
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02:23.06evaryontI've recently formatted my 4gb SD card, and the nokia n800 can mount/read/write it, but my linux computer can't even detect that it is a device. udev creates a dev device (/dev/sdc) but when I attempt to mount it (mount /dev/sdc /media/sdcard) mount says sdc isn't a valid block device. There are no other /dev/sdc* files, (i.e. sdc1, sdc2..), only sdc
02:23.41evaryontMy sd card reader is usb connected, and I have a second USB based sdcard reader, I've tried both, and both fail with the same error
02:30.52evaryontMy card is a SDHC, though I think that the reader supports them (though I'm not sure)
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02:32.22Alystairoh man I'm an idiot and bought my 770 without a mem card :(
02:32.30Alystairit still works without one right?
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02:35.08GeneralAntillesOf course.
02:36.13evaryontah
02:36.25evaryontmy bad...it's the reader. Only SD, not SDHC :/
02:38.50AlystairGeneralAntilles: so it's only used for external storage, if I want to keep stuff like MP3s or text files, etc right?
02:39.22GeneralAntillesWell, you _can_ boot from it.
02:39.30GeneralAntillesBut most people just use it for storage
02:39.40GeneralAntillessince you've only got about ~64MB available internally.
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02:46.37Alystairinternal is faster than external though, right? usually the case.
02:47.12GeneralAntillesErm, well, not really.
02:47.15GeneralAntillesDepends a lot on the card
02:47.30GeneralAntillesand whether you have a 48MHz-enabled kernel
02:48.02GeneralAntillesCards go from somewhat faster to significantly slower than internal
02:49.15AlystairI'm pretty into soft mods so I'm going to be tweeking this thing to no end
02:49.32Alystaira bit of hardmod expirience as well but nothing as hardcore as chip replacements :)
02:50.02GeneralAntillesThere aren't any chips you can really replace on the 770. ;)
02:50.31DekaritaeBristol Palin is ChristinaModel
02:53.56Alystairhaha oh man Red Alert 3 looks horrific
02:54.05Alystairnot even Peter Stormare can save it.
03:00.00RST38hReplace OMAP1 with OMAP2!
03:00.46GeneralAntillesIf you can do that by hand, you automatically win at everything ever for the rest of your life.
03:01.00moontigerGeneralAntilles, is that 48MHz mod worth the trouble?
03:01.07GeneralAntillesIt's just a kernel flash
03:01.16GeneralAntillesLess effective on the N8x0 than the 770
03:01.24moontigerok
03:01.25GeneralAntillesand it's not endorsed by TI, so there may be stability troubles.
03:01.30GeneralAntillesBut there will be improvement.
03:01.46moontigerach i'll pass unless its going to change my world :)
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04:07.19Alystairoh man I'm going to be so happy
04:07.31Alystairto be able to walk around the house and stream 80gb of music and radio
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04:09.58rob2087can anyone recommend a good irc client?
04:10.13GAN800XChat
04:10.20GAN800it's in extras-devel
04:10.26GAN800~extras
04:10.30infobothmm... extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras
04:10.48rob2087thank you
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04:17.08tank-manis there a package/script to remove 'docpurge' and install the info/man pages for what is installed?
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04:24.44Alystairwhy does the front page of the maemo.org wiki show up blank?
04:24.54Alystair> http://wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page <
04:25.47GeneralAntillesReload
04:25.52GeneralAntillesIt's a server issue
04:25.59GeneralAntillesApache threads are segfaulting every once and a while
04:26.06GeneralAntillesWaiting on server upgrades for a fix.
04:26.18Alystairew, alright
04:26.29GeneralAntillesShould be within the next month
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04:32.47GeneralAntillesdirtyrice88, gtfo
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04:47.55dirtyrice88whoa whoa whoa
04:47.59dirtyrice88chillax man
04:49.47moontigerGeneralAntilles, when do you get the results of the vote thingy?
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04:49.54GeneralAntilles6 days
04:50.54moontigercool ... you were in it yes?
04:51.47GeneralAntillesRyan Abel
04:51.58moontigerwhat does the winner get?
04:52.06GeneralAntilleshttps://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Community_Council/Candidate_declarations
04:52.10GeneralAntillesWell, there are 5 "Winners"
04:52.17GeneralAntillesThey get positions on the maemo.org Community Council
04:52.33GeneralAntillesCall it a maemo.org schoolboard election or something. ;)
04:53.11moontigerand does that mean you get to influence things?
04:53.42GeneralAntillesIt's not really an authority position.
04:53.48moontigeradvisory?
04:53.48GeneralAntillesMore of a community leadership and facilitation position.
04:53.52moontigerok
04:53.58GeneralAntillesHelp organize community events
04:54.03moontigerwell i voted for you cos i think you do a good job here ;)
04:54.09GeneralAntilleshelp facilitate communication between Nokia and the community
04:54.22GeneralAntillesBringing community issues to Nokia's attention, in particular
04:54.26GeneralAntillesThanks! :)
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05:04.34tekojoHi everyone!
05:04.44GeneralAntillesHello
05:05.05tekojoI thought it would be proper to introduce myself over here
05:05.23GeneralAntillesHehe, most everybody's asleep at the moment. ;)
05:05.28tekojoI am the new Nokia project manager for maemo.org
05:05.45GeneralAntillesAh, right, I saw your email on -community.
05:05.47tekojoI know, but I'll start small :)
05:05.50GeneralAntillesWelcome! :)
05:05.55tekojoThanks
05:06.09melmothHola. You work early in the morning :)
05:06.28tekojoBy the way GeneralAntilles do you ever sleep?:)
05:06.43GeneralAntillesFrequently, yes. :D
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05:06.54GeneralAntillesis poking at USBNet on a Beagle Board at the moment. . . .
05:07.04tekojomelmoth, yep I tend to come in early
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05:10.42Stskeepspokes the coffee machine
05:11.39GeneralAntillesThe Beagle seems about as eager as possible to use USBNet
05:11.43GeneralAntillesMy OS X box, not so much
05:11.56GeneralAntillesStskeeps, can I share the wifi connection over USBNet under Deblet? :D
05:12.27GeneralAntillesis bound and determined to turn his N800 into a glorified USB wifi adaptor.
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05:13.10StskeepsGeneralAntilles: that's a good question, i don't know if cx3110x does bridging, or if there's NAT modules available ;)
05:13.20GeneralAntillesMaybe I'll strap the Beagle to the back and turn the N800 into a VNC frontend. . . .
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05:14.41Stskeepstekojo: so does the maemo.org website actually run on a 770? ;>
05:15.03GeneralAntillesI'm so glad to see some real progress on that in the last sprint review.
05:15.18Stskeepswe're getting N800s?
05:16.08GeneralAntillesNah, just more parallelization. ;)
05:16.14tekojoStskeeps: hard to say, I only have a 810
05:16.31GeneralAntillesEhehe
05:16.44GeneralAntillestekojo, he was poking fun at the fact that maemo.org is so godawful slow. ;)
05:17.08tekojoI know, and it is slow
05:17.09GeneralAntillesThe running joke is that the website is actually hosted on a 770.
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05:18.00tekojoYes, but I can't tell, I think it is a secret
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05:19.45GeneralAntillesI think I may just end up turning this Beagle into a compiler for my tablets for the time being. . . .
05:31.38StskeepsGeneralAntilles: saw my Deblet Hack Challenges post btw? could be an interesting way to entice developers for Maemo (if one is made for that) to develop things that are normally considered needed for the platform - where the thread is used for combing user knowledge such as hints how you could get started etc
05:31.38moontigerhello tekojo :)
05:31.41tekojohello moontiger
05:31.48moontigerso you work for nokia?
05:32.08tekojoYes
05:32.27moontigertell them thanks for the new sb2 toolchain ... its wayyyyyyyyyyy better than before :)
05:33.08tekojoHaven't tried it myself yet, but I'll tell them
05:33.20moontigerespecially the anjuta plug-in
05:33.38tekojowill do
05:33.59moontigerwhat exactly is your role in the scheme of things?
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05:35.11tekojoTo see that maemo.org is in good shape from the technical point of view
05:35.17AddisonGreetings and salutations gentlemen!
05:35.34tekojoservices, hardware and all that
05:36.17rm_youdid the server upgrades already happen?
05:36.52tekojoNot yet, working on it.
05:37.41tekojoIt's in the last sprint before Berlin
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05:38.57Stskeepsmorning qwerty12
05:39.01AddisonQwerty!  What's up G Money Dog Nuts?!?!?!!!!!
05:39.07qwerty12morning Stskeeps
05:39.11qwerty12hi Addison
05:39.40AddisonAnything monumentally exciting going on with you today, qwerty?
05:40.21AddisonIf so, don't leave out any of the filthy details!  :)
05:40.21moontigerok
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05:43.30qwerty12Heh, this is why I love my N800: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/screenies/kismet.png
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05:44.22GeneralAntillesNo
05:44.23GeneralAntillesThey were discussed in the sprint review
05:44.23GeneralAntillesWe're close
05:44.23GeneralAntillesTesting should be going on as we speak.
05:45.06AddisonWhat the crap did you run to get that screenshot there qwert?
05:45.36AddisonOh, and what does that screenshot possibly even mean?
05:46.37qwerty12Oh, it's kismet actually running for more than an hour.
05:47.12AddisonI thought kismet was something about hooking up with a girl.  Now you've lost me.  :(
05:48.09Stskeepsqwerty12: any of the challenges you want to work on? :>
05:49.05qwerty12Stskeeps: I could do the mpd one easily, I've already done it for maemo
05:50.41AddisonYou could ask qwerty to build you a flux capacitor and he would say that it was already done.  :)
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05:51.15qwerty12Na, /me head is hurting
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05:52.38AddisonWell qwerty, you're probably the smartest one here.  I don't even know how to change the blinker fluid for my car.
05:53.05qwerty12Meh, I'm definitely not the smartest. :)
05:53.53AddisonOh that's right.  You told me about your grades at school.  Let me take that compliment back!  *lol*
05:54.59qwerty12Stskeeps: Just a note, you would have to use the esd from maemo if you want a esd daemo
05:55.00qwerty12n
05:55.34qwerty12(unfortunately, we cannot build our own)
05:55.52GeneralAntillesSooo, who wants to flesh out http://wiki.maemo.org/Installing_applications#Console ? :P
05:56.08qwerty12sudo gainroot
05:56.12qwerty12to install from a repo
05:56.17qwerty12apt-get install whatever
05:56.25qwerty12to install from a local deb
05:56.33qwerty12dpkg -i /path/to/.deb
05:56.45qwerty12Of course, that would have to be heavily expanded :P
05:57.17GeneralAntillesYeah, yeah.
05:57.21GeneralAntillesI could do it myself.
05:57.24GeneralAntillesI just don't want to.
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05:58.07rm_you_so voting started? >_>
05:58.30qwerty12Stskeeps: btw, is the only way to compile stuff for debian is on a tablet? I don't want to be like lcuk :P
05:59.03GeneralAntillesrm_you_, why the face?
05:59.14rm_you_no reason :P
06:02.23Stskeepsqwerty12: yeah, i noticed (esound), regarding compile stuff - i think it's possible to set up a a debian armel target in sb
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06:03.19qwerty12Stskeeps: Cool, I really don't want to touch some of this stuff on a tablet. I'm tempted to throw it out when using MicroB, doing a compile would make actually throw it out
06:03.19Stskeepsqwerty12: http://www.scratchbox.org/documentation/docbook/debiandevelopment.html
06:03.40Stskeepsi did a linux kernel compile. isnotthatbad
06:03.40Stskeeps:P
06:03.51qwerty12sbox does that for me :P
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06:08.07Stskeepsqwerty12: post updated indicating your interests in some of the challenges
06:08.42qwerty12Cool, sorry to be unsure about it but I need to do some work here as well
06:09.14Stskeepsofcourse :)
06:09.37Stskeepsmy first priority is my own work too, so, deblet is just a nice hobby :>
06:09.59qwerty12:)
06:10.09qwerty12I'm booting into debian now to see what is the problem with mpd
06:10.18rm_you_omfg sweet! it's working!!!
06:10.23rm_you_IT'S ALIVE!!!
06:10.36qwerty12I'm excited for you but I don't know what to be excited about :P
06:10.39rm_you:P
06:10.52rm_youi got two residential cable lines, 12mbit each, running in parallel
06:11.04qwerty12crap, nice one
06:11.04GAN800sicko
06:11.06rm_youand my debian router machine is doing load balancing
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06:11.28GAN800$$?
06:11.46rm_youone torrent runs at 1.4MB/s down on one connection, 2.8MB/s with both :P
06:12.10rm_you$97 a month for two 12mbit lines and basic cable
06:12.18GAN800Not bad
06:12.31rm_youooo
06:12.34rm_you3.0MBps :P
06:12.44rm_youdances
06:12.54qwerty12effing hell, all I did was install debian, boot into it, install irssi and run shutdown -r now and now it doesn't want to boot :P
06:12.57rm_youi need to grab a third line
06:13.07rm_youscrew the cable tv
06:13.10rm_youi need more internet :P
06:13.25qwerty12yer, if it's anything like british cable, it's easy to hack
06:13.33rm_youi don't even care
06:14.30rm_youat 3Mbps, i can stream 720p, i think :P
06:15.33Pebbywhat's the upstream, though? ;)
06:15.50rm_you.... 2Mbps <_<
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06:16.03rm_youcombined >_<
06:16.26qwerty12Well, google have made an linux chrome port but after the security flaw, I don't think I want to install it :P
06:17.03rm_youlol?
06:17.16Pebbyi wish comcast would sell me my package i have with up/downstream reversed
06:17.21doc|homea security flaw already?
06:17.24qwerty12http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/security_flaw_in_google_chrome.php
06:17.29doc|homehahaha
06:21.05n800mpfft security flaw
06:22.42doc|homepffft, *previously patched* security flaw
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06:27.19rm_youpfft, more like a user stupidity flaw
06:27.33rm_youis not worried
06:27.48doc|homerm_you: how?
06:28.09doc|homethinks we have our first chromium fanboi :)
06:28.22rm_youany time a user has to actually click through things to make the bad things happen, that's a user stupidity flaw <_<
06:29.01rm_youyes, it could be better, but it isn't by any means the "gaping security flaw" that all the news sites are toting it as
06:29.18rm_youi was thinking it would like, automatically execute code on my machine
06:29.24rm_youwhich would be bad
06:29.37rm_youas long as i'm semi-intelligent, there's no danger <_<
06:30.10rm_youalso, i hadn't even used chrome till just now... i downloaded it about 3 minutes ago specifically to test out this "flaw"
06:30.19rm_youi just hate all the fear-mongering
06:31.03n800mif this is the worst news, it's doing pretty well as far as security
06:32.11qwerty12GeneralAntilles: No fair, I want to see more beagleboard porn
06:32.29rm_youhrm
06:32.38rm_youit's open source.
06:32.39doc|homerm_you: java apps are supposed to be sandboxed, if they can save shit to your harddisk it's most definitely a problem
06:32.40rm_youneat
06:33.08GeneralAntillesqwerty12, I left the good camera at home
06:33.08mavhcjava apps can save to your hd, you're thinking of applets
06:33.20qwerty12GeneralAntilles: Ah :)
06:33.21GeneralAntillesI'm not sure I can bring myself to shoot pictures of it with the crap one I've got here.
06:33.24doc|homemavhc: yes, sorry, I meant applets
06:33.25rm_you... mine popped up and said "where would you like to save this file?" so i selected a place, and then it downloaded, and popped itself into the download bar on the bottom... and when i clicked it, it ran... exactly expected behavior, IMO
06:33.39doc|homerm_you: that doesn't sound like what the article mentions
06:33.40n800myeah
06:33.57mavhcwhat's this gaping security flaw, url?
06:34.05rm_youhttp://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/security_flaw_in_google_chrome.php
06:34.13rm_youdemo: http://raffon.net/research/google/chrome/carpet.html
06:34.32rm_youbasically the same thing in opera, except i need to double click
06:34.42rm_youfirefox, same, just requires doubleclick
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06:34.51rm_youthis is stupid <_<
06:35.18doc|homeif there's a save dialog then yeah, it's stupid, but wasn't it the lack of one they were mentioning
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06:35.25n800mit's like cheney iis writing software reviews
06:35.33doc|homecheney can write?
06:35.47qwerty12That piece of shit can't do nothing
06:35.50n800mwith hot lead
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06:36.21rm_youohhhh, in the options i have "ask me for download location" set
06:36.22n800mwhat a cheap fucking way to get hits on a website
06:36.29n800mwhy didn't i think of that
06:36.36rm_you...
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06:36.53rm_yousec, lemmie turn that off in firefox and see if it does the same thing
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06:40.56rm_youah no, firefox doesn't do what i expect it to do...
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06:41.08rm_youmeaning, it seems to entirely ignore my settings for auto-downloading
06:41.16rm_youi guess that's "more secure"?!
06:41.18rm_you>_<
06:41.20n800m3?
06:41.35rm_youno, 2 :/
06:41.41rm_youi need to update, don't I <_<
06:42.00n800mwell
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06:42.23n800mi use 3 and i can save something with one click
06:42.40n800mi don't see how that's any diferent
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06:42.55n800malways been able to do it
06:43.43rm_youso am i not the only person that thinks this "security scare" is a bit far-fetched?
06:43.53n800mit's bull
06:44.00n800mbut it;s a good wy to get hits
06:44.06rm_youyeah, thanks
06:44.13rm_yousomeone else thinks it's kind of bogus
06:44.38aspectgaping security flaw + chrome in your link title
06:44.49aspectonly way to garner more bloglinks would be to mention the iphone
06:45.15n800mhah
06:58.44rm_youwow, so that safari nightly build is actually pretty neat
06:58.56rm_youi like watching acid3 just fly to completion :P
07:03.50Stskeepsqwerty12: doesn't want to boot?
07:03.55qwerty12Stskeeps: nope
07:04.00Stskeepswhere does it stall?
07:04.16qwerty12give me a sec, i'll start it again
07:04.59Stskeepsi had a weird issue with screen being dimmed, rebooting from ssh, and then it just went into a dead mode where it was obviously restarted, but it didn't want to boot from power key
07:05.10Stskeepshad to pop battery
07:05.23qwerty12Stskeeps: /etc/rc2.d/S89cron: 49: tail: not found
07:05.28Stskeepseh
07:05.29qwerty12Stopping boot logger: bootlog
07:05.39qwerty12dsp_dld: event detected
07:05.51Stskeepswtf @ tail not found
07:05.51qwerty12The most exciting thing I did was install irssi :P
07:05.58qwerty12I dunno :(
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07:06.00Stskeepsext2 or ext3?
07:06.03qwerty12ext2
07:06.14Stskeepsi've seen extreme examples where ext2 wiped out a lot of files
07:06.18Stskeepsi use ext3 for this reason
07:06.21GeneralAntillesqwerty12, added a few more shots with the crap camera. :P
07:06.32qwerty12Stskeeps: I will reformat ext4
07:06.34Stskeepseven if it does more wearing, it's more secur
07:06.34qwerty12*3
07:06.34Stskeepse
07:06.38qwerty12GeneralAntilles: Thanks :)
07:06.42rm_youaww
07:06.48rm_youi was like... ext4! woot! :P
07:06.56qwerty12lol :P
07:07.12rm_younow with.... even more journaling?
07:07.20rm_youanyways, sleep :P
07:07.23rm_yousleeps
07:07.36Stskeepsare the mmc cards on two different channels btw? *considers journalling on external device..*
07:08.28qwerty12no idea
07:09.10aquatixmorning all
07:10.29rm_youwonders how well chrome//linux would port to a mobile device, like, for instance, a NIT
07:11.18GeneralAntillesIt's about as bloated as it can get
07:11.26GeneralAntilles~200MB of RAM doing nothing.
07:11.39GeneralAntillesIt's designed to thrive on speed and power.
07:11.46GeneralAntillesNot play nice in a limited environment.
07:12.01rm_youhrm
07:12.15rm_youjust seems like it would be nice to have a webkit browser with a really nice interface
07:12.24Stskeepsepiphany-webkit exists though
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07:12.57rm_you<_<
07:13.29rm_youwell, sleep
07:13.33rm_youactually sleeps
07:14.21qwerty12got directfb compiled with the omap gfx driver, I'll compile some test apps later and try them out :>
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08:20.01JaffaMorning, all
08:20.10lbtmorning
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11:25.30lcukhmmm voting page comes up with only "Maemo Community council election September 2008" and no content after i login with the token specified
11:25.59lardmanclick on that link
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11:26.32lcuklardman, i did
11:26.38lardmanoh
11:27.00jottfor me it took *ages* to load.
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11:27.17jotti just put the tab in the background and did other stuff ;)
11:27.25lcukwent here: http://maemo.org/vote/   selected which election, entered email addy and token, then it brought up an almost blank page
11:27.40lcukpage is complete though
11:27.48lcukit was quick and is not pending any further information
11:28.33lcukmust not be welcome to vote :(
11:28.36lardmanlol
11:28.48lardmansure you didn't sleep-vote last night? :)
11:29.01lcukpositive - first time ive used the token
11:29.13lcukand no wine recently either
11:29.34jottbut beer? :)
11:30.11jottor schnaps? :)
11:30.11lcukno
11:30.15lcuki had bacon
11:30.19jotthmmm :)
11:30.39XTLis starving
11:30.45lcuki wasnt going to, but the bread was frozen, and a ham sandwich on toast just isnt the same- so i made a blt :)
11:30.52jottgets hungry too after all this bacon talk :)
11:31.18lcuk:D heh i love my  keyword trigger.  i am eternally grateful for lardman for giving me the idea
11:31.35lardmanoi!
11:31.46lardmanmaking me hungry too, only 30min till lunch :)
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11:35.42lcukheh lol
11:36.07jottlcuk infected everyone with a bacon virus
11:36.09lcuktheres no reported bugs
11:36.13lcukis confuddled
11:36.26lcukif you think its bad now, just wait for the summit
11:36.31lardmantry again?
11:36.42lardmanno bacon in Germany you mean?#
11:37.23jottyou get bacon here, no worries :)
11:37.55lardmangood good
11:38.05lcuklardman, no i have written "i am hungry"
11:38.25lcukthink of the iphone app "i am rich" but involving bacon :)
11:38.42jottyou should really put the word bacon in it ;)
11:38.51jottotherwise you might just get a salad ;)
11:39.14lcukyer, but  if you put bacon into a salad, it stops being a sald and becomes "hunt the bacon"
11:39.27jott;>
11:39.44jotti heard that before ;)
11:40.07lcuk;) some comedian guy in a standup routine telling far too many bacon jokes
11:40.08jottbut remember it might be salad without bacon :).
11:40.17jottah right. i saw this ;)
11:40.24lcukNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooOOOoOoOooooOOOoOoooo
11:41.04lcuklooking at the results ive got, its a problem within vote.php - something is making it bail before its added the content for the next step (i assume candidate  list)
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11:54.57lcuklooks like it cannot open the database - i dont know tonnes about php, but following the source for vote.php (actual source dave gave a link before he went on holiday a few weeks ago)
11:59.42_marcell_lcuk: I asked bergie to take a look
12:00.01lcuki also sent a mail back to dave :) thanks marcell
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12:04.19lcukdamn, gotta run, bbiab
12:06.01jottlcuk: if ($user=="lcuk") exit(); ? ;)
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12:31.08roadieswhat is the gstreamer-tools package apt-get repository url?  I have installed deb http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free and deb http://maemo-hackers.org/apt bora main into sources.list but it doesnt work
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12:36.54mib1Hi all
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12:37.10mib1Just a quick question
12:39.05mib1Can I repartition the external mmc card on a N810 using the usb cable? The N810 is unable to finish booting because I borked rootfs partition, and I want to put debian in the external card to boot from there
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12:40.04glassdunno why it wouldn't be possible
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12:41.50mib1That is, the access to the mmc card through usb cable is direct then
12:43.00Stskeepsmib1: rootfs partition, - cloned OS2008 or?
12:43.34liriyay!!
12:43.57lirithe google maps service now allows mapping of my country (probably not complete but still!!!)
12:44.21lirigreat, now I can use maemo mapper with my n810 (used a roadmap svn branch until now)
12:45.35mib1rootfs partition in internal jffs2 flash, Diablo, I borked it by linking /var/tmp to /tmp to avoid writes to internal flash
12:46.39mib1Now it hangs at the end of boot process. I need to boot from mmc to fix it
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12:52.24roadieswhat is the responsibility for OS2008 gstreamer?  thanks...
12:53.17crashanddieroadies, erhm, everything sound related ?
12:53.31crashanddieroadies, well, not everything, but it's just a very big thing, why ?
12:54.26roadiescrashanddie: I'm trying to use the gst-launch tool... which isnt on my OS2008 n810
12:54.49crashanddiedo you have diablo or just chinook ?
12:55.03roadiesdiablo
12:55.15crashanddiehang on, lemme try
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12:56.27crashanddieroadies, if it's of any comfort to you, I don't have it on my NIT either ;)
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12:57.27roadiescrashanddie: one always love company.... even when its two deer in headlights ;-)
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12:59.39crashanddieroadies, gst-launch is apparently in the gstreamer-tools package
13:00.02crashanddieroadies, which sadly, I don't see in the repo
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13:00.42roadiesyes and that defines my problem.....
13:01.11roadiescrashanddie: thanks for looking
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14:06.31lardmanwonders if the latest tremor code is markedly better than the probaby rather old tremor-lowmem code
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14:10.13derfI doubt it. The whole project has been fairly dormant for years.
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14:10.47lardmanI've seen a mistake in the lowmem-no-byte code, namely the requirement of a 8bit byte type
14:10.56derfIf you've got the RAM, though, you shouldn't be using lowmem.
14:11.13lardmannah, pretty limited really on the DSP
14:11.13derfIt's much slower.
14:11.13lardmanoh
14:11.18lardmanwell that may be troublesome
14:11.37lardmanare there figures for the memory requrements lying about anywhere?
14:12.02derfCheck the mailing list archives.
14:12.11lardmancodebook.c on the latest Tremor code looks far less complex than that in the lowmem-(nobyte) code
14:12.14lardmanok, will do
14:12.42derfI seem to recall some, but I'm typing this on my NIT at a conference, so...
14:13.26lardmanno probs, I'm just wondering if I should cut my losses and think about porting from Tremor proper, or continuing the way I am
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14:21.56lardmanhttp://focus.ti.com/lit/ml/sprp525/sprp525.pdf they make it sound so easy :)
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14:26.00qwerty12woot, new kernel source diablo available. I'll update my kernel to that version, even if it is the same :P
14:26.05lardmanlcuk: you see dneary's email?
14:26.13lardmanqwerty12: :)
14:26.13dnearysomeone called?
14:26.20qwerty12hey lardman :)
14:26.34lardmandneary: lcuk was complaining that he couldn't vote earlier
14:26.42dnearylardman: Ah
14:26.48dnearyI send so many :)
14:26.52fredlardman: oooooh
14:26.56dnearyI was wondering which one you were talking about
14:27.17lardmanfair enough, the one that just popped up in my inbox then :)
14:27.43dnearyFunny - I've been getting a lot of people replying to the voting token mail, resulting in that thread having new mail, but it being slightly hidden in Thunderbird on account of the thread being older
14:27.58dnearylardman: Ah! That clears it up
14:32.06aquatixandrewfblack: you here?
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14:39.13andrewfblackI'm here
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14:43.31lcukserious note, tsk tsk - you made changes to something which didnt need them - and you also forgot to update the date embedded within the vote.php page (it sends it to the client as meta info) and also, if theres a voting problem you left the gnome address there :P
14:43.43lcukhmmm where did half that go
14:44.14lcukdneary hahahaha @ changes, does it mean i can vote now?
14:44.25dnearylcuk: Normally, yes
14:44.28lcukmentally reverse the order of those posts ^
14:45.03lcukmade a similar cockup today :)
14:46.45andrewfblackI still can't figure out why I didn't get a vote email to my second maemo account
14:46.58andrewfblackI don't know if my work killed it as spam or what
14:47.17aquatix:(
14:47.31aquatixsue IT
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14:53.08qwerty12~curse hal, udev and all the other crap that automounts my partitions
14:53.08infobotMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, hal, udev and all the other crap that automounts my partitions !
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14:54.15sven-tekthe time is right to check out diable now :-)
14:54.49qwerty12lmao, darius is calling anidel a troll and darius is a legend in poland
14:54.51sven-tekdiablo
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14:58.29tekojoHi all!
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14:59.28tekojoI thought I'd make an introduction
15:00.10tekojoI'm the new Nokia project manager for the maemo.org hardware and service side
15:00.19andrewfblackHello
15:00.36florianhi tekojo
15:00.43tekojoHi
15:00.49qwerty12Heh, nice to meet you tekojo. I'm the local #maemo troll :P :)
15:00.49andre__cool, tekojo is around! hej hej! (we met a week ago) :)
15:01.12tekojoHi andre! good to talk again
15:01.45tekojoqwerty12 I notice, I've lurked a couple of times here this week
15:02.36qwerty12:), I do have my occasions where I am useful :).
15:02.57andrewfblackjust a few qwerty12 :)
15:03.03tekojoBased on my limited experience, definately yes
15:03.26qwerty12I just have to curb my swearing habit on this channel :)
15:03.57tekojoIs this a family friendly place?
15:04.36qwerty12Hmm, I'm 15, anyone younger here? Others swear sometimes but not as much as me + I use more words :P
15:04.45andre__more or less, apart from the daily rant on nokia :-P
15:05.00Stskeepsor complaining about code
15:05.00Stskeeps:P
15:05.08andre__right
15:05.15tekojo:)
15:05.31andrewfblackyoung people always swear more
15:05.33qwerty12I'm ~lart'ing and ~curse'ing all the time
15:05.46qwerty12~lart andrewfblack for that stereotype for example
15:05.46infobotsmacks andrewfblack for that stereotype up side the head with a clue-by-4 for example
15:05.52qwerty12:P
15:06.15andrewfblackhey shouldn't you be in school
15:06.35qwerty12Nay, this is BST, I was already out an hour ago :P
15:07.20andrewfblackyeah I know I was just messing with you
15:07.20andre__tekojo, are there plans to blog on planet maemo about your tasks (and maybe changes)?
15:07.28Stskeepshttp://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/lxde.png <- lxde is kinda neat on the tablet
15:07.57tekojoYes, I'll try to get the team maemo blog going again
15:08.09andre__ah, right, even the team one... i like that idea
15:08.14andre__looking forward to that
15:08.47tekojoYes, and I intend to someone else to give an occational line or two too
15:08.50yacoobskims backlog. qwerty12, you youngling! get off my lawn!
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15:09.23Stskeepsqwerty12: after a year on irc i swore like a sailor
15:09.37qwerty12pops yacoob. You get off the lawn, you're staining it with your blood!
15:09.37Stskeeps(started at 13 :P)
15:09.43qwerty12Stskeeps: lol
15:10.18andrewfblackqwerty12 was in diapers when I started using IRC :)
15:10.24yacoobBah! When I was your age I... I... uh... I kept music down, you little!
15:10.44qwerty12Stskeeps: Sorry but I switched from nit-env-stskeeps to the gnome one. env-stskeeps is too minimal for me
15:10.52qwerty12andrewfblack: so, is that why you use mibbit?
15:10.57qwerty12yacoob: lol :P
15:10.58Stskeepsqwerty12: i got tired of nit-env-stskeeps too - it was mainly something to illustrate use of deblet tech
15:11.11Stskeepsqwerty12: new std environment would prolly be lxde based
15:11.20qwerty12cool, lxde looks good
15:11.35andrewfblackqwerty12 I use mibbit because I have enough crap on my work computer to get me fired as it is
15:11.52qwerty12andrewfblack: have you seen my user area at school?
15:12.05andrewfblackI havn't found a decent looking on that runs off of USB yet
15:12.13andrewfblackqwerty12 nope
15:12.30qwerty12I keep games and some hax tools there
15:12.50qwerty12~lart directfb for the omap driver not working
15:12.50infobotexecutes killall -HUP directfb for the omap driver not working
15:13.27andrewfblackI think alot more on my school computer as well but back then we didn't need admin to install stuff like now
15:13.51qwerty12I needed admin, so I went out and got it
15:14.14qwerty12Stskeeps: soon as I get debian working, I'll work on mpd for sure
15:14.49qwerty12Stskeeps: without a proper esd daemon though, the sound is going to be awful though unless alsa actually works in debian?
15:15.12Stskeepsqwerty12: fillin package that performs modifications should do the trick
15:15.15Stskeepsalsa does work
15:15.32Stskeepsatleast alsaplayer does
15:15.45qwerty12Stskeeps: alsaplayer was producing *horrible* sound y/day
15:16.05qwerty12Stskeeps: dunno about a fillin package, I prefer to make changes directly to the deb file and then update the md5sums
15:16.36qwerty12or delete the md5sums if I changed/added too many files :P
15:20.49lbtsorry
15:21.11lbtcouldn't resist prodding the troll
15:21.49qwerty12lbt: did you get the initfs toolchain set up?
15:22.12lbtdownloaded it
15:22.23qwerty12used the tar.gz version
15:22.25lbtbeen <shock>working</shock> today
15:22.32qwerty12work?!? :O
15:22.52qwerty12had all double lessons today >.<
15:22.56lbtI know
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15:28.26Stskeepszenity --scale --max-value=127 --print-partial | sudo xargs -L 1 /bin/set_backlight
15:28.33Stskeeps^ backlight scale in a line
15:28.37Stskeepsheh
15:28.51Stskeeps(set_backlight > something/panel/backlight_level
15:29.15Stskeepsi guess i should use dsme instead thoug
15:29.16Stskeepsh
15:37.38lardmanmm, that itt thread is quite entertaining
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15:38.35ustunozgur_hi, is there a way to turn off the warning when installing a non-nokia app? ""Nokia has neither created nor delivered this software ..."
15:39.07hrwhack h-a-m
15:39.11qwerty12ustunozgur_: Modify the app installer source, I made some patches somewhere for removing that message but they are out of date
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15:40.50ustunozgur_qwerty12: ok, thanks.
15:41.15qwerty12I don't think I have them anymore but I'm not a programmer but I was able to read that code :)
15:41.45andrewfblackstrange I am banned from joining a channel I've never joined before
15:42.03qwerty12Probably because you are using mibbit
15:42.14andrewfblackthats screwed up
15:42.30qwerty12some chans don't accept web client
15:42.49glasssome channels require identify
15:44.58ustunozgur_the function names are appropriately "annoy user" and such. here https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/osso-application-installer/src/util.cc
15:45.48qwerty12look for show legalese too
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15:46.32qwerty12I just patch the source to jump straight to the installing function, you have to patch it in two places, one for installing from a repo, one for installing from a local deb
15:47.03qwerty12iirc, the file you want to look at is operations.cc
15:48.08andrewfblackwell I even tried to install Mirc and can't connect they must be blocking a port
15:48.38andrewfblackI guess I could VNC to home computer and just Chat from there
15:49.20qwerty12You should run linux on your home computer and ssh from your workplace ;)
15:50.03andrewfblackI run linux on 2 of my servers but windows on my main computers
15:50.26qwerty12:)
15:50.57andrewfblackI have always played to many games to use linux on main computer
15:52.20Khertan2do you know if darius jack come to maemo summit ?
15:52.46qwerty12If he is, have the tomatoes ready
15:53.59lardmanhttp://www.embeddedtechjournal.com/articles_2005/20051004_arm.htm interesting
15:54.21Khertan2arg i ve think to buy some some week before ...
15:54.33qwerty12lardman: mind sharing me an English version please? :)
15:54.47Khertan2as if i buy it now ... there will not moisture ...
15:55.05lardmanneed it translated to cockney rhyming slang hey? ;)
15:55.12Khertan2s/will/will have
15:55.33qwerty12lardman: Nah, hate that rubbish, I'm not even from London, instead it's all about modern slang :P
15:55.48Khertan2> > COULD YOU STOP SPAMMING THIS LIST ? THANKS !
15:55.48Khertan2>
15:55.48Khertan2> Instead of just arguing (which is quite annoying BTW), why
15:55.48Khertan2> dont you write
15:55.49Khertan2> some code
15:55.54Khertan2haha ... very funny
15:56.56qwerty12Khertan2: Nice Python code :)
15:57.54lardmancu all tomorrow
15:58.19Khertan2maemo@bitblit.net == darius jack ?
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16:15.58andrewfblackyou know I remember windows used to come with an IRC client I wonde why they got ride of it
16:16.34johnxProbably to push new users towards MSN
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16:18.46Stskeeps'lo johnx
16:18.50johnxhey
16:19.04johnxhow's it going?
16:19.16Stskeepsjohnx: i'm writing a small thing that uses zenity and is insertable into lxde's application launch bar
16:19.26Stskeeps(that panel preferences is wonderful)
16:19.43Stskeepsalso i've added nit-env-lxde (basically what is needed to get lxde running, nothing else) to repository
16:19.56Stskeepsjohnx: oh, and it's the brightness adjustment :P
16:20.23johnxI'm still trying to make matchbox-keyboard play nice with openbox
16:20.35Stskeepsyeah, that's prolly biggest challenge
16:20.38johnxI didn't have much luck so I'm going to try lxde panel+matchbox
16:20.54johnxI really did want the option of "floating" some windows though :/
16:21.06Stskeepsyeah.. what about GNOME on screen keyboard?
16:21.12Stskeepsor doesnt it sit itself ideally into the screen?
16:21.27johnxI haven't looked at it
16:21.44johnxI like matchbox keyboard because it's so light and there's a nice thumbable key layout for it...
16:22.13Stskeepsyeah
16:22.28Stskeepshttp://www.gok.ca/
16:22.54johnxyeah, looking at screenshots
16:23.00johnxit's hideous looking O_o
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16:23.07Stskeepsyup
16:24.00Khertan2ouch : "ca pique les yeux
16:24.11Khertan2"
16:24.13Khertan2:)
16:24.16Khertan2bye
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16:24.24qwerty12Something about eyes
16:25.19johnxStskeeps, well I built matchbox wm with session management, so I'll play with that first and see if it makes me happy
16:25.34andre__..."it hurts my eyes" for the non-frenchies :)
16:28.13qwerty12Ta, my french sucks :)
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16:56.38lcukstretches and yawns even thou hes been up for ages
16:56.44Stskeepsjohnx: did you see my challenges post btw?
16:56.56johnxerm...I don't think so
16:57.04johnxon ITT?
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16:57.36qwerty12http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23371
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16:58.51Stskeepswaving fresh meat in front of the people who like to hack their deblet ;)
16:58.58lcukStskeeps, you dont do things by halves do you - thats an impressive todo list
16:59.08Stskeepslcuk: i'm just insane
16:59.08Stskeeps:P
16:59.17Stskeepsand any of these are bloody brilliant to have really
16:59.18lcuknot really - at least you are starting with a known os
17:00.10johnxlcuk, nah, he's just insane...but I agree with him on not taking half measures :)
17:00.23qwerty12waits for his latest kernel to compile. at least the 35KB patch applied cleanly
17:01.13lcukStskeeps, whats keeping most of these things from being used directly from native debian?  is it the underlying drivers?
17:01.46johnxlcuk, *sigh* Nokia does things in strange ways a lot of the time
17:01.52Stskeepswhat johnx said
17:01.59johnxso there's a "linux way" and a "Nokia way"
17:02.01Stskeepsideally they would be HAL values or something
17:02.15Stskeepsbut it's not often there's a GUI for USB host/gadget for instance
17:03.32johnxwell, it's not often that's even a user configurable option :)
17:03.44johnxembedded harware is always fun
17:03.53Stskeepsjohnx: did you see lxlauncher btw?
17:04.07johnxStskeeps, yeah, I tried it but the font size is hardcoded
17:04.13qwerty12It was Tony Lindgren's work with backporting usb host that started it off on N800 wasn't it?
17:04.15johnxit looks pretty darn nice though
17:04.48johnxStskeeps, I have a somewhat novel idea for the lxde desktop though...
17:04.52Stskeepsjohnx: mm?
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17:06.27johnxI'm just throwing this out as a concept, but I'm thinking of moving the "statusbar"/systray applets to a panel that's only visible when the desktop is shown
17:06.47qwerty12Interesting, it's possible for the the WiMax chip to be run at 48Mhz
17:07.11johnxI'd also like to be able to run some of the maemo desktop applets
17:07.37johnxThat's next on my list after playing with matchbox (or gnome) keyboard a little bit
17:07.44Stskeepsjohnx: could be interesting.. i'm the type who'd like a shortcut to go to desktop then though
17:07.52Stskeepslike, keyboard shortcut
17:08.35johnxthe home key seems like a good candidate
17:08.46qwerty12Stskeeps: btw, was the WEXT patch you used  for the cx3100 the one of the mailing list?
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17:09.21Stskeepsqwerty12: yes, but i applied an extra fix on top to make it signal it supports WPA etc
17:09.29Stskeepsqwerty12: any stability problems with that one?
17:09.39qwerty12Thanks, no, I'm just curious :)
17:09.53Stskeepshttp://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/lxde-brightness.png
17:11.22johnxStskeeps, gorgeous!
17:11.35johnxah, lxlauncher must work nice as long as you lie about the dpi...
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17:13.12johnxgrumbles about people who don't think about high dpi screens when they write code...
17:13.35Stskeepsokay
17:13.37Stskeepsnow i'm scared
17:13.44Stskeepsit says "Senior member" next to me on ITT :/
17:13.55qwerty12Stskeeps: happens above a certain post count
17:14.01Stskeepsyeah, just reached post 100 :P
17:14.19johnxyeah, I don't want to think about how many posts I've made...
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17:15.08qwerty12On ITT, TBH, I don't really notice my post count
17:15.38andrewfblacklook Qwerty12no Mibbit :)
17:16.02qwerty12OMG, andrewfblack without mibbit? :P :)
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17:16.51andrewfblacklol for a few mins this IRC over VNC will drive me crazy
17:17.09johnxStskeeps, are you using gdm with lxde?
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17:21.41svuwhere could I find osso-software-version-rx44 ?
17:21.46svuI uninstalled it :(
17:28.50Stskeepsjohnx: yes
17:28.56Stskeepsjohnx: i made an autologin package
17:29.08Stskeepswell, b-man or fatalsaint did
17:29.09sven-tekoups, i removed busybox
17:29.29johnxStskeeps, a package just to set the "autologin" bit in gdm or something else?
17:29.45Stskeepsjohnx: something that makes it autologin to user in /etc/tablet_user
17:29.49Stskeepsin gdm
17:29.55johnxfair enough
17:30.01Stskeepsit also starts up the X server sanely and all that jazz
17:30.03johnxmy setup is starting to diverge already...
17:31.53Stskeepshttp://trac.tspre.org/svn/deblet/trunk/nit-base-packages/nit-env-lxde/DEBIAN/control <- just a metapackage
17:33.10johnxwell the one thing about matchbox wm is it really works great with matchbox keyboard :/
17:33.13Stskeepsyeah
17:33.30johnxsighs
17:33.41Stskeepsi wonder what makes the magic happen
17:34.05johnxit's just about window handling...
17:34.11RST38hAnybody using Pidgin?
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17:34.40johnxI *think* the same thing could be done in openbox if matchbox keyboard set its WM_CLASS to *anything*
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17:35.00johnxbut it leaves it blank so openbox can't match against it...maybe devilspie is the answer...
17:35.11tekojoRST38h on a NIT
17:35.58RST38hyes
17:36.27tekojoYes, currently
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17:38.01RST38hdo you know if it is worth installing collabora version in stead of nix?
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17:39.23tekojoSorry can't help haven't tried both
17:40.04tekojoI have the nix version
17:40.06RST38hare you using the nix one then?
17:40.08RST38hsame here
17:40.46RST38hApp Manager is offering  to install the collabora version but it is 20MB extra
17:41.33tekojo20, that's a lot
17:42.00RST38ha lot of it can probably be deleted later
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17:48.40Stskeepsjohnx: hack matchbox-keyboard? :P
17:48.53johnxyeah, maybe...
17:48.57johnxtrying to avoid that
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17:49.16svurtcom-beta-os2008: Depends: telepathy-haze (>= 0.2.0-1collabora1) but 0.1.4-0collabora1 is to be installed
17:49.24svuwhere would I find the right package?
17:49.42RST38hcollabora repo
17:51.15RST38hTrack This
17:51.17RST38h<PROTECTED>
17:51.23RST38hHehe
17:51.54johnxRST38h, so you're getting into US politics these days?
17:52.06RST38hjohnx: No, reading dailyrotten.com
17:52.10johnxaaah
17:52.22RST38hjohnx: Although I do have to admit that they have a lot in common
17:52.45svuRST38h, which repo? could you give me the url please?
17:53.07johnxah, the idea of censorship in the age of the internet...so quaint
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17:53.33RST38hsvu: http://fms.komkon.org/Maemo/ and search for package there
17:53.39RST38hIt will let you install from the right repo
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17:54.00RST38hjohnx: censorship isn't interesting enough
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17:54.09RST38hjohnx: but book burning is nice, yes =)
17:54.13tekojoandrewfblack, back on mibbit :)
17:54.16Khertan_n810Hi
17:54.31Khertan_n810just a question , i lack of a good idea
17:54.43Khertan_n810mCalendar can sync in background now
17:54.59Khertan_n810but how can i avoid two sync at the same time
17:55.08RST38hcreate a lock file
17:55.19Khertan_n810i ve think of a stupid file in /tmp
17:55.26RST38hbasically, yes
17:55.30Khertan_n810but if sync crash ...
17:55.39RST38hthere is a method to avoid it gracefully
17:55.45svuRST38h, thanks!
17:55.55RST38hInto that file, write the timestamp of when you are starting to sync
17:55.59Khertan_n810user will with message an other sync is in progress
17:56.06RST38hIf the second sync can't open the lock file for writing
17:56.15RST38hIt should open it for reading and check the time stamp
17:56.25Khertan_n810RST38h ! hey great idea !
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17:56.50RST38hIf the time stamp is "stale", find the hung process, kill it, remove the lock file, go back to square #1
17:57.38Khertan_n810thx for the tip RST38h
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18:01.43svuRST38h, no updated version of telepathy-haze found :(
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18:16.35qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: don't think i will be attempting to install deblet for a while, the 6th install attempt works fine until the watchdog reboots the tablet :( (nothing running on it, i was leaving it unattended) :(
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18:35.16ToyKeeperWow, fennec is really slow.
18:35.51johnxyes
18:36.30ToyKeeperI was looking for a way to make noscript work on my n810.  I guess I didn't find an answer yet.  :)
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18:55.18Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: so it reboots during install? O_o
18:56.13qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: yeah :D, it was configuring gconf and cpu = 100%
18:57.35johnxmaybe an out-of-memory thing?
18:59.27Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: swap enabled or not?
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19:00.44qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: swap enabled
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19:00.45mikkov_is there a way to disable/enable home applets from command line?
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19:00.47qwerty12_N800mikkov_: hacking the hildon-desktop .conf files
19:00.48mikkov_anything more specific? I am trying to get applet to reload when upgrading
19:01.48mikkov_python home applet if that matters
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19:04.33mikkov_deleting .desktop and creating it again seems to work
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19:05.04mikkov_or renaming to something else and back
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19:08.24Pavlxhello
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19:08.47Pavlxmy nokia 770 has got a problem
19:09.00Pavlxthe mory card remain out
19:09.22Pavlxso i must to press until memory enter
19:09.28Pavlxin the slot
19:10.03Pavlxat the same time says: that there is not any memory card inside
19:10.11Pavlxwhat i can do ?
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19:12.11melmothPavlx: sounds like a broken slot, or some dirt in it
19:12.53Pavlxdoes not close
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19:13.02Pavlxis not dirty
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19:13.48MishaS!seen X-Fade
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19:14.09infobotx-fade is currently on #maemo (14m 22s), last said: 'murrayc: Probably later this day.'.
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19:16.22GeneralAntillesohgod
19:16.34GeneralAntillesYou guys seriously didn't just spawn a huge troll thread on -developers?
19:16.55MishaSwonders what thread is that...
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19:17.45qwerty12_N800GeneralAntilles: darius is a fucktard
19:17.56XTLThe multitouch thread?
19:18.08GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N800, no shit.
19:18.13GeneralAntillesYes, Darius's thread.
19:18.25jottwonders how much karma darius would have :)
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19:18.47jottprobably way above 100 ;)
19:18.55XTLDarius for president!
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19:20.39Pavlxso i must to stay one month wyhout pda
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19:21.29qwerty12_N800I like the way he says others are trolling
19:21.36Pavlxand i don't know how i must to pay why is out of warranty
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19:22.39Pavlxi would ask you a think
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19:23.11Pavlxthe 810 has got wimax, but work s too as wifi or not ?
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19:24.04Pavlxbecause here wimax there is not again in italy and if there is, is to payment
19:24.16jottPavlx: only the n810 wimax edition has wimax, the normal does not have wimax support.
19:24.18melmoththe n810 does not do wimax
19:24.25jottbut both support wifi
19:24.43Pavlxwith 800 there is the wifi
19:24.46melmothnon c e molto wimax anche in francia ;-)
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19:25.07Pavlxif 810 has got too support for wi-fi is a good thing
19:25.14jottPavlx: ^^..
19:25.32jottall current its support wifi, and this will  most likely not change in the next generations :)
19:25.53jottbe it 770, n800, n810, n810wimax - all have wifi
19:26.01GeneralAntillesThe N810W is probably gonna be tied pretty well to Sprint's network.
19:26.13GeneralAntillesEspecially since I doubt the networks in Italy are 2.5GHz
19:26.38Pavlxi must again to buy the 800
19:26.41jottyes, and the n810w will probably be useless for anybody outside of the sprint wimax coverage anyway.
19:26.44Pavlxaqnd the 810
19:26.58jottPavlx: the n810 (without W or Wimax) does not have wimax.
19:27.15Pavlxbut are not very cheap
19:27.28jottthey are more expensive than n800, right.
19:27.29Pavlxthey costs a lot
19:30.51__tis Jamie Bennett here?
19:31.03GeneralAntillesNo.
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19:34.49jott~seen JamieBennett
19:34.50infobotjamiebennett <n=jamie@host217-34-38-3.in-addr.btopenworld.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 5h 36m 15s ago, saying: 'GAN8001: I'm a little disappointed that more didn't put themselves forward :('.
19:35.43Pavlxhow is expensive the nokia 800 ?
19:36.10jottit's more expensive in europe than in the states..
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19:55.14GeneralAntillesis a sick puppy.
19:55.34GeneralAntillesI'd have vnc going from the Beagle to provide a "display" if OS X's USBNet driver weren't so old and crappy.
19:58.34qwerty12_N800can't be worse than ubuntu's :(. i swear they broke it in their subsequent kernel releases :(
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19:59.06qwerty12_N800it's  why i'm forced to use g_serial :/
20:00.19GeneralAntillesI guess I need to go buy a USB network adaptor of some kind
20:00.23GeneralAntillesNot sure which to get, though.
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20:02.59RST38hwould like to kill something
20:03.16mgedmintry a small piece of paper
20:03.26RST38hmgedmin: something squishy!
20:03.50mgedminhow about a cone of ice cream?
20:03.51GeneralAntillesKill an artichoke, rip its heart out and eat it!
20:04.20RST38hpreferably the guy who equipped this dev board with ethernet, wifi, 5 USB connectors, and an SD card slot but DID NOT install SSHD on it
20:04.43RST38hYea, "I am a vegetarian not because I like animals but because I *hate* the plants"
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20:06.41AnunakinCan anyone confirms if qt4 libs on devel-extras are corrupted?
20:06.42Anunakinhttp://qt4.garage.maemo.org/diablo.html
20:06.50GeneralAntillesHi, dneary.
20:09.13jottAnunakin: .. gnuton wanted to push an updated version by now. :(
20:09.37Anunakingnuton?
20:09.48dnearyhey ho
20:09.54jotthello dneary.
20:10.09jottAnunakin: the one who uploaded the maemo0 packages :)
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20:11.07GeneralAntillesSo, dneary, what do you think about starting to delete some of the pages in the old wiki that collide with new stuff on mediawiki?
20:11.21jottAnunakin: packages are actually fine, just the package db is out of sync (or the other way around, how ever you view it)
20:11.25dnearyGeneralAntilles: Collide how?
20:11.34GeneralAntillesWell, take the flashing articles
20:11.41GeneralAntillesThey usually come up first in google searches
20:11.43Pavlxi found the nokia n800 it is possible that i buy it
20:11.46GeneralAntillesor the booting from MMC articles.
20:12.02Pavlxthey ask few something 200 euro
20:12.04GeneralAntillesSo people looking for that information tend to run into the old, outdated, inaccurate pages first.
20:12.12Pavlxnew never used
20:12.30dnearyI've been considering the old wiki 100% legacy now, and have been more or less ignoring it, beyond having the warning "this page is now useless and unmaintained - please see the new wiki (and move this page there & update it if you think it's still relevant)
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20:12.51dnearySo we need to make the new wiki Google trawlable - is it right now?
20:12.52GeneralAntillesProblem is, google and other sources aren't also ignoring it.
20:12.56VDVsxPavlx, the n810 is about 359 € now, brand new
20:12.56RST38hchange the page background to olive green
20:13.04Pavlxor if any of you want to sell me a nokia n800 i am very happy
20:13.10RST38hThat will make people stay away from the old pages =)
20:13.18Pavlxi speaked ok n800
20:13.24Pavlxnot n810
20:13.39VDVsxPavlx, ah ok, you want the n800
20:14.01Pavlxyes, for 360 euro, is out of me
20:14.24Pavlxvery expensive now
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20:14.53Pavlxwhy we don't wait to buy, until to buy to these prices very high ?
20:15.42GeneralAntillesThe new wiki is on the google results pages
20:15.46GeneralAntillesjust not ranked as high.
20:15.48VDVsxPavlx, try to buy a used one, I see a n800 for 150 € in a ebay like store two moths of use
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20:16.08GeneralAntillesBut, really, the clearly redundant and problem solving stuff just needs to be deleted
20:16.12GeneralAntilleslike the flashing articles
20:16.21lardmanarchived?
20:16.22GeneralAntilless/solving/creating/
20:16.33GeneralAntilleslardman, that doesn't stop google.
20:16.57Pavlxyes, but if we don't buy the prices go down
20:16.57GeneralAntillesTake: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=flashing+maemo&btnG=Search
20:17.11lardmanGeneralAntilles: true
20:17.16GeneralAntillesThe good result is 5 items down.
20:17.20GeneralAntillesThe crap results are right on top.
20:17.22Anunakinjott: ok!
20:17.23VDVsxPavlx, lol
20:17.50lardmanchange those pages to point to the correct one with a big warning at the top, etc,?
20:17.53GeneralAntillesor http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=boot+from+sd+maemo&btnG=Search
20:18.01GeneralAntillesJust delete them
20:18.04GeneralAntillesthere's nothing useful in them.
20:18.19GeneralAntillesJust less-clear and outdated flashing instructions.
20:18.36lardmanyeah, fair enough, just a thought
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20:19.31Pavlxwhy nokia continue to use opera ?
20:19.48qwerty12_N800they dont
20:19.59Pavlxis dimostrated that minimo and others are better
20:20.13Pavlxon n800 and n810
20:20.22mikkov_maemo is using mozilla based browser
20:20.31mikkov_opera is old stuff
20:20.55Pavlxbut they install
20:21.28mikkov_you can not use opera with latest OS version
20:21.40Pavlxand then shared directories
20:21.53Pavlxthat are hidden
20:22.04Pavlxprograms as flash
20:22.23Pavlxothers to support mp3, wav, avi, wmv
20:22.59Pavlxis easy to do a cross compile of ffmpeg2theora from the source code
20:23.25Pavlxand than exec on nokia
20:24.30Pavlxand to convert a movie is necessary to write ./ffmpeg2theora-version of theora and the name of movie with extension
20:25.08Pavlxto press enter and after times, you got a movie in *ogv (ogg video)
20:25.26VDVsxmy login in maemo wiki is always expiring, if a login and then click on something the login expires in the moment, anyone experiencing that to ?
20:26.28Pavlxdonìt ask me i never listened something of this type
20:26.52Pavlxis the first time i listen a similar problem
20:27.11Pavlxso VDsx, i can't help you
20:27.22PavlxVDVsx
20:27.42dnearyGeneralAntilles: You're probably right.
20:27.58dnearyI've avoided working on anything midgard since the new wiki's there though
20:28.07dnearyperformance has just been so awful
20:28.10dnearyIt's been painful
20:29.41GeneralAntillesYeah, it can probably wait until after the server upgrades
20:29.57GeneralAntillesDo you happen to have a Special:Allpages equivalent for the Midgard wiki handy, though?
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20:30.14Pavlxexcuse me guys
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20:30.47Pavlxi say to you bye bye, i go to see a little of telly and i continue tomorrow
20:31.31Pavlxat the same time i would inform that in these dsys the GNU Project has done 25th years
20:31.50Pavlxi invite for a moment to see http://gnu.org
20:32.00Pavlxbye bye
20:32.03Pavlxpaolo
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20:39.49jottGeneralAntilles: google inurl:http://maemo.org/community/wiki ? :)
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20:49.18ItalodanceIron.Man.DVDRip.XviD.INTERNAL-BeStDivX
20:49.20Italodanceimmmmm
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20:57.09StskeepsItalodance: not sure how's that relevant to tablets or maemo .. :P
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20:59.26jottit's not a deblet but a warezlet :)
20:59.32GeneralAntillesjott, does that give me a list of all pages on the midgard wiki?
20:59.51jottGeneralAntilles: i think it should give you all those indexed by google.
21:00.09GeneralAntilleshttp://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Allpages
21:00.11GeneralAntillesThat's what I'm after.
21:00.54jottGeneralAntilles: it returns all results that have "http://maemo.org/community/wiki" in the url, so that should cover all wiki pages ;)
21:01.02jottbut a proper internal page would be better
21:01.03Stskeepsjott: after seeing people ask for ed2k for maemo i wonder their sanity..
21:01.03Stskeeps:P
21:01.17GeneralAntillesI know dneary has something from when the migration took place, anyway.
21:01.45dnearyGeneralAntilles: There was a wiki page with a list of all the pages
21:01.55dnearyI made it all by myself.
21:01.58GeneralAntillesHa
21:02.00GeneralAntillesFun stuff
21:02.03GeneralAntillesLink?
21:02.05dnearyOn my ownsest
21:02.11jottStskeeps: you could walk around the street and use a foreign wlan to hide your traces :P
21:02.29Stskeepsjott: true, true
21:02.32dnearyhttps://maemo.org/community/wiki/wikireorg/ ?
21:02.48Stskeepsbut then again i could do the same with a n810 + a laptop in the backpack connected through usb
21:02.51Stskeeps:P
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21:04.03dnearyhttps://maemo.org/community/wiki/wikipagelist/
21:06.40GeneralAntillesThanks, I'm gonna go through and compile a list of pages which really need to die.
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21:09.50__twhy iss the https://wiki.maemo.org/ so f***ing slow?
21:10.34GAN800Because the server is overloaded.
21:10.42GAN800upgrades are imminent.
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21:14.48__twho can do this?
21:14.54GeneralAntillesEr
21:15.01GeneralAntillesUpgrade the servers?
21:15.03GeneralAntillesThe maemo.org people
21:15.05GeneralAntillesThey're working on it.
21:15.08andre__yupp
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22:13.25lardmanderf: there appears to be no difference even if I #define malloc to allocate 2* the requested data
22:14.55RST38hlardman <-- is in trouble
22:15.20lardmanyeah, annoying dsp-tremor errors :(
22:20.08lardmanhmm, address of one of the buffers is still 1
22:21.00lardmanwork=(ogg_uint32_t *)_ogg_malloc((s->used_entries*2-2)*sizeof(*work));
22:21.07lardman<PROTECTED>
22:21.07lardman<PROTECTED>
22:21.13lardmanyuck
22:21.34lardman[224751.554687] _make_decode_table: sizeof(*work)=2, work=[1,0]
22:21.38lardmanjust to finish it off
22:22.28lardmanhmm, cast to unsigned but trying to output as signed, should check that
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22:23.54lardmanstill comes out as 1 anyway, not negative
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22:24.49puslinghi peoples.  is there a way to tell maemo mapper to download several map sizes of some areas (without having to "visit" them with maemo mapper ?
22:25.09lardmanyes, there's a dialog where you can set an area to download
22:25.15lardmanmanage maps I think
22:25.23lardmansomewhere in that menu anyway
22:26.57puslingand another issue - when travel 10-15 kilometres with the gps on on maemo mapper, it seems like maemo mapper is eating up all my memory. My simple guess would be that it never free'es cached pixmaps for areas you have been ?
22:27.46lardmanpusling: no idea, does it depend on speed? You can always look at the source code in Garage
22:29.03puslingdoesn't really like sourcecode which uses libraries begininng with g.
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22:29.49lardman?
22:29.55lardmanglib?
22:29.59puslinggtk
22:30.09lardmanah well
22:32.05qwerty12_N800If i make the file /etc/no_lg_reboots, do i have to reboot the tablet before it's picked up by dsme?
22:32.52lardmanno idea
22:33.52qwerty12_N800watchdog fuxed up my 2nd loong gnome debian install :)
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22:37.08lardmanargh, ran out of space for static (aka dbg text string) data
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22:37.33Chaniwhat's the relation between files I see in hte file browser on hte n810 and files I see when I plug it into my computer? how do I move files between the two?
22:38.13ChaniI copied music onto the device but don't know where it is (although I can play it), and I have pdfs in hte Documents folder that I need to get off the device before I flash it
22:38.13GeneralAntillescomputer is /media/mmc1 and /media/mmc2
22:38.23GeneralAntillesInternal and External cards in File Manager
22:38.23lardmans/is/sees
22:38.36GeneralAntilles<PROTECTED>
22:38.43GeneralAntillesYou don't want to keep things on the rootfs.
22:38.47ChaniI'm not seeing Internal or External
22:39.06GeneralAntillesOr whatever you have your cards named
22:39.08ChaniI don't have a flash card
22:39.11GeneralAntillesEr
22:39.14ChaniI've just got the usb cable
22:39.22GeneralAntillesThen you're not mounting anything on the computer.
22:39.35lardmanWindows should still see the built-in internal one, unless there;s something using it when you attach the usb cable
22:39.40GeneralAntillesOh, right.
22:39.41GeneralAntillesN810
22:39.46ChaniI am. I plug it into hte computer and I see Music, Video, tmp, map
22:39.59lardmanon a new drive letter?
22:40.03Chanilinux
22:40.14GeneralAntilles<PROTECTED>
22:40.14lardmannew mount point then?
22:40.18ChaniI am using hte n810 at the same time
22:40.29Chaniit decided to put it on /media/disk
22:40.37lardmansounds about right
22:40.42puslinghi Chani
22:40.42lardmanthat's the internal flash memory
22:41.44Chanihmm.
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22:42.06Chanion hte n810 file manager, I see things like Documents, Images, etc... a completely different set of folders
22:42.34GeneralAntillesUnplug the N810
22:42.39GeneralAntillesScroll down on the left column
22:42.43lardmanChani: at the bottom of the list (on the left hand side), it should have an entry for a memory card
22:42.52lardmanbut not while the usb cable is plugged in!
22:43.09Chanioh. huh
22:43.24Chaniso I have to unplug, transfer files, then plug in again
22:43.46lardmanyes
22:44.07lardmanor use sftp over wifi, etc.
22:44.10Chanipokes around in a terinal on hte n810
22:44.25ChaniI forgot this thing had xterm
22:44.37lardmanyou'll need to install openssh on the N810
22:45.06lardmanstill need to unplug the cable to allow the n810 to see the card though
22:45.34Chaniyeah, not having ssh bites. but I wanna flash it before I install any more stuff
22:46.39Chaniso I hear there's a backup utility to get bookmarks and such off the device. does that run in linux? or can I just cp hte relevant folders over to the usb-accessible folder myself?
22:47.23lardmanbackup runs on the n810 and saves data to one of the cards
22:47.36qwerty12_N800Chani: unplug the cable, cp -ar ~/MyDocs/ /media/mmc2, plug in the cable, et volia your documents are there
22:47.37Chanioh. huh
22:47.37lardmanbut I'd copy stuff like mp3s manually
22:49.19Chaniahh, I see where the settings are...
22:49.44Chanihooray for nice standard linux stuff :)
22:49.51lardmanwhat are you flashing to? sometimes the settings are not compatible
22:50.05ChaniI dunno, whatever the latest thing is
22:50.23Chaniwill incompatible settings fail nicely, or break stuff?
22:50.23lardmanwhat do you have atm?>
22:50.29lardmanbreak probably
22:50.33Chaniwhatever came on the device
22:50.36Chanilaame
22:51.35Chaniwonders if there's space to just back up everything wholesale and sort it out later
22:51.36qwerty12_N800chinook i presume as it's an n810
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22:53.34lardmanbed time for me, night all
22:53.40Chaniohh interesting. you'd think that /home would be on mmc2, really, but no...
22:54.08Chanigood thing I didn't fill up / with all the photos I took
22:54.41qwerty12_N800i don't think nokia planned to put ~ on a vfat fs personally...
22:56.10qwerty12_N800gets back to the debian install and forces himself to stay awake
22:56.14Chaniahh. yeah, just tried to cp -ar and it's complaining about not being able to set ownership...
22:57.09tank-manprobably cause fat dont support permissions
22:57.31Chaniso there's two gigs of vfat storage but only 256m on /
22:58.05Chaniiinteresting.
22:58.07Mekyou can easily reformat the vfat to something else, if you don't intend to use it with a windows pc
22:58.32Chanigood point
22:59.05Chaniof course, I'll probably just end up buying a nice big card for it. what type of card does it take? I've never bought one before
22:59.13Mekmini-sd
22:59.24Chanihasn't got much in the way of modern gadgets :)
23:00.04qwerty12_N800Chani: you can clone the 256mb flash onto the 2gb and boot from it
23:00.20Chanihmmmm.
23:01.03Chanibut it might make sense to leave / alone for hte most part. maybe reformat the 2gb and mount it on /home
23:01.17Mekyeah, that's also what I did... made it easier to play around with (still quite large) kde packages :)
23:01.32Chanibut then it'd get automagically unmounted when I plugged it into a computer?
23:01.43Chaniyeah, I want koffice now :D
23:02.02Mekno, if you use the 2gb as / I don't think you can access it from a computer anymore
23:02.03Chaniactually, what I want most is akregator. and ssh
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23:04.27Chaniand ogg-theora codecs :P
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23:21.23dirtyrice88VERY HARD
23:25.00GeneralAntillesStskeeps, guess what. :P
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23:31.56ccookeHas anyone had any luck getting google gears to work on Diablo?
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23:49.55Chanianyone happen to know where exactly browser passwords are stored? some of mine have typos and it seems impossible to overwrite them from the ui
23:51.34Chaniaha. found the file
23:51.40Chanibut of course it's not plaintext
23:51.58ChaniI wonder if I can selectively nuke only the invalid ones...
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