| 00:07.10 | fUD | ey |
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| 00:12.54 | jott | GAN8001: i'm still waiting for your beagle-in-a-770 mod :D |
| 00:13.24 | GAN8001 | I gotta pull the LCD controller line out before it hits the DVI chip |
| 00:13.30 | GAN8001 | assuming that that'll actually be usable |
| 00:13.34 | GAN8001 | Just not gonna happen |
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| 00:13.56 | error_developer_ | hi |
| 00:14.32 | error_developer_ | i wonder what am i gonna get if i enable R&D mode on n800 ? |
| 00:14.39 | GAN8001 | Don't |
| 00:14.43 | LinuxCode | you will get r&d mode |
| 00:14.45 | GAN8001 | If you're after root, then you want. |
| 00:14.47 | GAN8001 | ~rootsh |
| 00:14.48 | infobot | rootsh is, like, an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/ |
| 00:14.49 | error_developer_ | the flasher utility has such a flag .. |
| 00:14.54 | GAN8001 | It's in Extras. |
| 00:15.02 | LinuxCode | agrees with GAN800 |
| 00:15.06 | AStorm | GAN8001: why not? increases power use or sth? ;P |
| 00:15.06 | LinuxCode | +1 |
| 00:15.21 | AStorm | (yes, it does enable the serial port) |
| 00:15.22 | error_developer_ | ok .. |
| 00:15.25 | LinuxCode | makes it easier to mess your device up |
| 00:15.28 | GAN8001 | AStorm, the only reason somebody asking about it has to use it is for root access. |
| 00:15.43 | AStorm | or have the nice boot image ;P |
| 00:15.44 | GAN8001 | Power usage is one possible reason not to use it. |
| 00:15.46 | error_developer_ | LinuxCode: well ..yaeh, that what i don't want |
| 00:15.55 | GAN8001 | AStorm, install bootmenu. |
| 00:15.56 | error_developer_ | cause it's in hands of my brother .. |
| 00:16.01 | AStorm | I've noticed no increased power use with n810 |
| 00:16.02 | jott | and disabling evil watchdogs .. |
| 00:16.10 | error_developer_ | and they strangly messed it up already |
| 00:16.12 | error_developer_ | :( |
| 00:16.14 | GAN8001 | jott, that's separate from R&D mode. |
| 00:16.30 | GAN8001 | AStorm, more than one @nokia person has mentioned the possibility of increased power use. |
| 00:16.31 | jott | GAN8001: it get's activated with r&d doesn't it? |
| 00:16.33 | error_developer_ | how to get the current image ? |
| 00:16.37 | GAN8001 | jott, no. |
| 00:16.42 | error_developer_ | can i do it with the flasher util? |
| 00:16.45 | GAN8001 | It's an R&D mode "flag" |
| 00:16.51 | LinuxCode | error_developer_, yes |
| 00:16.55 | GAN8001 | R&D mode isn't turned on by setting flags, though. |
| 00:17.06 | GAN8001 | and turning R&D mode on doesn't set flags. |
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| 00:17.15 | GAN8001 | ~flashing |
| 00:17.16 | infobot | i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 00:19.33 | jott | GAN8001: ah ok, i was under the impression that the wd flags where set when activating r&d. |
| 00:19.40 | GAN8001 | Nope |
| 00:19.49 | jott | takes an imaginary note |
| 00:20.15 | GAN8001 | I should gather information for an R&D mode wiki article |
| 00:20.19 | GAN8001 | Poke Igor and Eero |
| 00:24.29 | error_developer_ | wow |
| 00:24.31 | error_developer_ | :) |
| 00:24.33 | error_developer_ | kewl |
| 00:24.41 | error_developer_ | sudo gainroot helped |
| 00:24.54 | error_developer_ | cause i had actually forgotten the password |
| 00:24.56 | error_developer_ | ;) |
| 00:25.05 | error_developer_ | did i get it right, |
| 00:25.18 | error_developer_ | sudo gainroot works only in R&D mode ? |
| 00:26.04 | GAN8001 | No |
| 00:26.07 | GAN8001 | ~root-access |
| 00:26.08 | infobot | [root-access] http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access |
| 00:26.54 | error_developer_ | heh |
| 00:34.03 | error_developer_ | right ,, |
| 00:34.18 | error_developer_ | seems more like a security hole to me .. |
| 00:34.20 | error_developer_ | ! |
| 00:34.23 | error_developer_ | right .. |
| 00:34.45 | error_developer_ | another thing i gotta sort out .. |
| 00:35.45 | error_developer_ | if i just do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 00:36.02 | error_developer_ | will do the same what flasher could upgade ? |
| 00:41.40 | GAN8001 | No |
| 00:41.59 | GAN8001 | apt-get upgrade is a decent way to make your device unbootable if you have the wrong repositories installed. |
| 00:42.17 | error_developer_ | ok |
| 00:42.18 | error_developer_ | well |
| 00:42.26 | GAN8001 | ~flashing |
| 00:42.26 | infobot | hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 00:42.34 | GAN8001 | To update to the latest FIASCO release |
| 00:42.47 | GAN8001 | then install the "OS2008 Feature Upgrade" from Application manager. |
| 00:43.12 | error_developer_ | GAN8001: i haven't see it there .. |
| 00:44.29 | GAN8001 | Are you running Diablo? |
| 00:44.34 | GAN8001 | Have you refreshed the repositories? |
| 00:47.08 | error_developer_ | GAN8001: hm .. |
| 00:47.26 | error_developer_ | i got Nokia-N800-51-3 2.6.21-omap1 |
| 00:47.51 | GAN8001 | That's not the latest. |
| 00:47.57 | GAN8001 | ~flashing |
| 00:47.57 | infobot | [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 00:49.44 | error_developer_ | ok .. |
| 00:49.55 | error_developer_ | i see, i got chinook |
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| 00:50.24 | error_developer_ | so |
| 00:50.34 | error_developer_ | if i edit the sources list |
| 00:50.50 | error_developer_ | and change chinook to diablo |
| 00:50.53 | GAN8001 | No. |
| 00:50.55 | GAN8001 | ~flashing |
| 00:50.56 | infobot | [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 00:52.06 | error_developer_ | then run apt-get upgrade |
| 00:52.18 | error_developer_ | GAN8001: why are you so radical? |
| 00:52.20 | GAN8001 | No. |
| 00:52.31 | error_developer_ | have you personaly experoenced |
| 00:52.32 | GAN8001 | I'm trying to help you not get yourself into a reboot loop |
| 00:52.39 | error_developer_ | ok |
| 00:53.01 | error_developer_ | but |
| 00:54.10 | GAN8001 | But apparently you don't want help |
| 00:55.02 | error_developer_ | GAN8001: well |
| 00:55.02 | error_developer_ | no |
| 00:55.02 | GAN8001 | Do whatever you please, but don't come whining back to me when you back yourself into a corner. |
| 00:55.02 | GAN8001 | I'm telling you it doesn't work that way |
| 00:55.02 | error_developer_ | i just wonder what's wrong with apt-get approach |
| 00:55.02 | error_developer_ | ok |
| 00:55.03 | GAN8001 | It doesn't work like that. |
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| 00:55.21 | GAN8001 | Even if you A. Managed to get the username and password for the upgrade repo, and B. Provide them to apt |
| 00:55.45 | GAN8001 | you'll still need to turn off the watchdog so it doesn't kill itself in the middle of the update |
| 00:55.57 | GAN8001 | and symlink the apt caching directory onto a card |
| 00:56.08 | error_developer_ | ok .., right i see now :) |
| 00:56.14 | GAN8001 | Pull the correct meta-package from the repo so you don't end up with a completely broken install |
| 00:56.30 | error_developer_ | is it a very good idea to upgrade from chinook to diablo ? |
| 00:56.36 | GAN8001 | even if you get out the other side after doing all that, you STILL have a broken ssytem. |
| 00:56.49 | error_developer_ | i had noticed some slight brakege |
| 00:56.50 | GAN8001 | So, why do I tell you not to do it? Because it's a bad damn idea. |
| 00:57.03 | GAN8001 | Flashing is like wiping the tablet clean and starting over. |
| 00:57.12 | GAN8001 | So there's no Chinook -> Diablo issues. |
| 00:57.25 | GAN8001 | The only issue would be restoring a broken backup. |
| 00:57.50 | error_developer_ | just that cause i don't like wipping everything |
| 00:58.02 | GAN8001 | Well, that's why you're upgrading to Diablo |
| 00:58.05 | GAN8001 | ~ssu |
| 00:58.05 | infobot | methinks ssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU |
| 00:58.58 | error_developer_ | but proly i should apply my 'never wipe' technique only to pc-kindda systems |
| 01:00.10 | GAN8001 | Read up on SSU. |
| 01:00.16 | GAN8001 | No more flashes required. |
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| 01:25.37 | Andrewfblack | Hello |
| 01:26.20 | GAN8001 | Howdy |
| 01:34.17 | AFBN810 | anyone know of a vnc viewer that will run from a usb drive? |
| 01:34.35 | AStorm | any |
| 01:34.49 | AStorm | why wouldn't it? |
| 01:36.28 | AFBN810 | some programs don't run well of a usb drive |
| 01:36.43 | AStorm | not if it's writable |
| 01:36.53 | AStorm | and has some real filesystem on it (not FAT) |
| 01:38.13 | AFBN810 | guess I should say it for windows :) |
| 01:39.43 | AStorm | ah, there are a few for windows |
| 01:40.06 | AStorm | there is probably one that doesn't store config outside of its dir |
| 01:40.46 | AFBN810 | yeah I'll take a look arounf for one I need something at work and can't install programs there |
| 01:44.01 | lcuk | with a bit of hacking around with custom u3 stuff i believe you can get a version of vnc running upon insertion of the stick |
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| 01:44.43 | lcuk | failing that, you can get your app coming up on the stupid windows run list |
| 01:45.34 | crashanddie | lcuk, the switchblade only works when you're in admin mode |
| 01:45.36 | AFBN810 | cool |
| 01:46.34 | AFBN810 | hey how do I make my windows desktop screen fit on my nokia over vnc? |
| 01:46.44 | lcuk | AFBN810, more often its convenient to know the url of a vnc binary |
| 01:47.15 | lcuk | you can even create one click installers that you can simply get your client to download and run and it will open a connection back to your office |
| 01:48.00 | AFBN810 | cool |
| 01:48.32 | spcui | Hi, buddies |
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| 01:49.41 | lcuk | AFBN810, but we aren't here for windows ;) |
| 01:50.22 | spcui | who can use the Rotation support for OS2008 on N810? |
| 01:50.32 | AFBN810 | yeah I know I use windows and linux on more then my n810 but at work I am forced to windows all the time |
| 01:51.11 | AStorm | AFBN810: what is this work? |
| 01:51.13 | robink | hopes Nokia will bring OGG support back into Diablo. |
| 01:51.27 | lcuk | anyway, im off to bed, ive got things floating around my mind (literally) |
| 01:51.27 | AStorm | hopes ogg-support is updated :> |
| 01:51.47 | AFBN810 | Astorm its what some of us have to do to make money :) |
| 01:52.11 | AStorm | AFBN810: well, but what exactly |
| 01:52.37 | AStorm | esp. lms-ogg |
| 01:53.11 | AFBN810 | Nuclear Power |
| 01:53.17 | spcui | I found a problem that my N810 did't boot when I executed the command 'flasher -f -k kernel-rx-34_2.6.21.0-osso71-randr2 ' |
| 01:53.35 | spcui | who can help me? |
| 01:53.40 | AStorm | AFBN810: sounds demanding, like watching whole day a monitor ;P |
| 01:53.44 | AFBN810 | I monitor people and objects for radiation |
| 01:53.58 | GAN8001 | flasher-3.0 -F <FIASCO image> --flash-only=kernel -R |
| 01:53.59 | AStorm | yay, you walk and check sensors |
| 01:54.16 | AStorm | I suppose they required an uni degree for that |
| 01:54.27 | AStorm | :) |
| 01:54.40 | AFBN810 | I don't do that much walking its mostly remote monitoring now |
| 01:55.00 | AFBN810 | No degee at all |
| 01:55.08 | GAN8001 | AStorm, snarky much tonight? :P |
| 01:55.13 | AStorm | ok, some smart people at recruitment then :> |
| 01:55.23 | AStorm | GAN8001: yeah, a bit it seems |
| 01:55.30 | spcui | GAN8001 : thanks, I try it |
| 01:56.05 | AStorm | GAN8001: more like, feeling cynical |
| 01:58.25 | spcui | GAN8001 : The kernel-rx-34_2.6.21.0-osso71-randr2 isn't FIASCO image. |
| 01:58.55 | AStorm | spcui: use -k instead of -F then |
| 01:59.03 | AStorm | it's a kernel image, not full FIASCO |
| 01:59.39 | spcui | I know, but I used it |
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| 02:00.17 | AStorm | is it just a kernel image, a .deb, or a gzipped kernel image? |
| 02:00.24 | AStorm | (try file on it) |
| 02:00.52 | AStorm | it not booting is possible if you didn't update kernel modules |
| 02:01.31 | spcui | ok, thanks. You can see it. http://sse2.net/rotate/ |
| 02:02.59 | AStorm | you need to update Xomap first |
| 02:03.12 | spcui | i didn't boot my N810 when i flashed my kernel. |
| 02:03.31 | AStorm | mwhahaha |
| 02:03.38 | AStorm | then boot it |
| 02:03.47 | AStorm | -R should take care of that |
| 02:04.04 | AStorm | (obviously, you have to put the device in the flash mode, but you should know that already) |
| 02:04.42 | spcui | i added -R. |
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| 02:06.21 | spcui | but i didn't boot it |
| 02:06.29 | AStorm | hm? |
| 02:06.35 | AStorm | what happened? |
| 02:06.36 | spcui | yep |
| 02:06.39 | AStorm | it restarted and what? |
| 02:06.46 | spcui | i don't know that |
| 02:06.51 | AStorm | went to white screen, then rebooted? |
| 02:06.55 | AStorm | went to black screen? |
| 02:07.09 | spcui | yeah |
| 02:07.15 | AStorm | black screen, not good |
| 02:07.21 | spcui | went to white screen |
| 02:07.23 | AStorm | ah |
| 02:07.28 | AStorm | so it hanged |
| 02:07.33 | AStorm | in kernel boot |
| 02:07.34 | spcui | then went to black screen |
| 02:07.41 | AStorm | mhm, watchdog killed it |
| 02:08.06 | AStorm | might be broken kernel... or just non-zImage |
| 02:08.25 | AStorm | do run file on it |
| 02:08.32 | spcui | yep, i think so |
| 02:09.39 | brontide | ok, before I go and do something stupid ( too late ) what do I put in the Distribution: field in my .changes file if I want to upload to both diablo and chinook "diablo, chinook" or "" |
| 02:10.03 | spcui | AStorm : Thank you for your time |
| 02:20.07 | brontide | finds some debian docs that indicate "chinook diablo" would be the proper way...... trying |
| 02:24.09 | GAN8001 | brontide, since you're going through the suffering here, think you could compile a short list of possible amendments and additions to https://maemo.org/forrest-images/pdf/maemo-policy.pdf ? |
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| 03:03.05 | GAN8001 | Did jolouis ever make any progress on the N810 OTG adaptor? |
| 03:07.39 | spcui | I want to install the flash-and-reboot, but I don't know where the package is. who can tell me where I find it |
| 03:09.08 | GAN8001 | Er, it's in the upgrade repo |
| 03:09.14 | GAN8001 | and it's not really something you "install" |
| 03:09.23 | moontiger | installs the latest sdk stuff... |
| 03:09.27 | GAN8001 | It's a package that invokes fiasco-flasher |
| 03:09.49 | GAN8001 | spcui, have you installed the latest SSU update? |
| 03:10.12 | spcui | what's SSU? |
| 03:10.28 | GAN8001 | ~ssu |
| 03:10.29 | infobot | it has been said that ssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU |
| 03:11.47 | spcui | thanks |
| 03:16.18 | moontiger | GAN800, is this the new dev env you were telling me about the other day? |
| 03:16.38 | GAN8001 | scratchbox 2 |
| 03:16.46 | GAN8001 | Has a lot of improvements |
| 03:16.49 | moontiger | the sdk 1.5 beta thingy? |
| 03:16.52 | GAN8001 | but Nokia hasn't moved to it officially. |
| 03:16.58 | GAN8001 | RST38h can tell you more about it. |
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| 03:21.28 | moontiger | GAN800, so is the "rootstrap" the actual emulator? |
| 03:22.56 | ToyKeeper | tries to figure out how to make osso-xterm display dark grey instead of black, for "bright black" |
| 03:23.44 | GAN8001 | Forget about Xephyr |
| 03:23.47 | GAN8001 | It sucks even when it works |
| 03:23.55 | GAN8001 | Just compile for ARM and copy to the device |
| 03:24.01 | GAN8001 | Testing will go much more smoothly |
| 03:24.08 | moontiger | ok so i dont need the rootstrap? |
| 03:24.53 | moontiger | im very excited by the anjuta plug-in they say is available |
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| 03:27.52 | brontide | GAN8001: I'll look it over but with my schedule I doubt I'll get any real headway on another project. Most of my problems is because .deb packages are very foreign to me |
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| 03:30.24 | kulve | robink: AStorm: if somebody finds out how to get oggs indexed by metalayer crawler in diablo, I might consider updating it for diablo.. |
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| 03:47.10 | tank-man | i hate that crawler, takes so long to index stuff |
| 03:47.57 | GAN8001 | facepalms |
| 03:48.13 | GAN8001 | Here I am wondering why the hell my pccables.com order hasn't shipped yet. :\ |
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| 04:09.27 | moontiger | holy shit!!! i can use anjuta for dev work !!! :) |
| 04:09.46 | moontiger | GAN800, labor day ;) |
| 04:16.33 | GAN8001 | Right. ;) |
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| 04:31.06 | RST38h | "Assessing the Political Impact of Bristol Palin's Pregnancy" (C)WashPost |
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| 04:36.02 | moontiger | ummmmmmm it works brilliantly ... i take back all my moaning and bitching from the other day about the build tools etc |
| 04:36.08 | moontiger | its so cool :) |
| 04:38.24 | GAN800 | RST38h, I'm writing in the fetus for president. |
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| 05:08.00 | jitu3485 | hi, on my N810, in the terminal i am getting characters is chinese(or something like ASCII) ,locale is en_GE , how to resolv |
| 05:08.02 | jitu3485 | ? |
| 05:08.34 | LinuxCode | nn |
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| 06:19.02 | TTilus | damn, nyt n810 keyb doesnt work as advertised anymore |
| 06:19.46 | TTilus | chr switching seems to be reversed or something |
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| 06:22.40 | ricko73 | TTilus: ? I've not seen that |
| 06:23.49 | TTilus | my keyb has ö / ø key, im supposed to be (and ive been) getting ö with plain key and ø with Chr key |
| 06:23.58 | TTilus | now its reversed |
| 06:24.26 | TTilus | the same with ä / æ key |
| 06:24.34 | TTilus | boot doesnt help |
| 06:26.53 | TTilus | also my bt keyboard stopped working |
| 06:27.19 | TTilus | it pairs but doesnt actually work |
| 06:27.51 | TTilus | lights blink as you type, but you get nothing |
| 06:28.49 | TTilus | might try flashing, id also be able to try out agps |
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| 07:05.19 | Stskeeps | morning qwerty12 |
| 07:05.30 | qwerty12 | Hey Stskeeps |
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| 07:18.32 | rmrfchik | on the http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/applications.html i see "keepassx", but there is no keepassx in the repository. where can I get it? I used to use keepass on my linux box and windows mobile |
| 07:20.03 | qwerty12 | rmrfchik: http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/dists/chinook/extras/binary-armel/keepassx/ |
| 07:21.47 | rmrfchik | will it work on latest diablo? |
| 07:21.56 | qwerty12 | dunno |
| 07:22.02 | rmrfchik | thanks anyway |
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| 07:48.27 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: did you ever progress with mtdutils btw? |
| 07:48.38 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: how do you mean? |
| 07:48.55 | Stskeeps | well, the backup/restore thing, seems like my rootfs jffs2 is getting corrupted so :P |
| 07:49.23 | Stskeeps | and a "clean" copy is only really possible from initfs where it's not mounted |
| 07:49.31 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: I stopped working on it, my scripting knowledge is too low for what I want :) |
| 07:49.35 | Stskeeps | ah, sucks |
| 07:49.45 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: using usbnet/serial, you can perform a backup yourself |
| 07:49.58 | Stskeeps | that's true |
| 07:50.08 | Stskeeps | without using mtd or with? |
| 07:50.12 | qwerty12 | using mtd |
| 07:50.28 | Stskeeps | compiled statically or? |
| 07:50.46 | qwerty12 | yeah, the static ones as you'd want to run the binaries from the initfs |
| 07:50.53 | Stskeeps | k |
| 07:51.05 | qwerty12 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=33348&postcount=31 |
| 07:51.23 | Stskeeps | ta |
| 07:52.05 | qwerty12 | If you don't have mtd-utils in initfs, grab the static ones off my site and shove them in /tmp and mount your memory card up so you can use mtd-utils |
| 07:52.18 | qwerty12 | You can also dump rootfs when you are booted from mmc too :) |
| 07:52.27 | qwerty12 | If you don't want to go long initfs method |
| 07:55.12 | korgoth | win 11 |
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| 07:57.01 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 08:03.08 | napsy_ | Hello. I can't get updates from the maemo repositoryrepository.maemo.org/dists/diablo/sdk. Is there someting wrong with the repos? |
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| 08:05.30 | napsy_ | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1/free/g/gdb/gdb_6.6.dfsg-1+armel+osso1_armel.deb Temporary failure resolving 'repository.maemo.org' |
| 08:05.33 | napsy_ | any ideas? |
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| 08:13.41 | Stskeeps | does ping www.yahoo.com work? :P |
| 08:14.17 | keesj | napsy_: dig repository.maemo.org |
| 08:15.12 | pupnik | hmm, i could really use md5sum on the tablet right now |
| 08:15.37 | pupnik | oh 'coreutils' nm |
| 08:15.56 | pupnik | hah, no do not install that |
| 08:15.57 | keesj | pupnik: usualy part of busybox |
| 08:16.22 | Stskeeps | pupnik: deblet package has a compiled md5sum in /usr/libexec/deblet atleast |
| 08:16.26 | napsy_ | keesj, I got a reply |
| 08:16.28 | Stskeeps | (we needed it for debootstrap) |
| 08:16.33 | keesj | cat test | ssh myhost nd4sun |
| 08:17.10 | pupnik | my os2008 doesn't have it in the busybox |
| 08:18.03 | qwerty12 | pupnik: md5sum binary : http://penguinbait.com/md5sum.gz |
| 08:18.12 | pupnik | bows to qwerty12 |
| 08:19.22 | keesj | napsy_: are you doin that within the sbox target? |
| 08:19.36 | napsy_ | keesj, yes |
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| 08:25.41 | pupnik | erghblhch.. hope the next tablet has more space for rootfs |
| 08:28.47 | pupnik | fdupes would be nice to have (find duplicate files) |
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| 08:30.47 | qwerty12 | pupnik: does sound useful actually, http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/fdupes_1.40-4build1_armel.deb |
| 08:31.41 | pupnik | hops up and down grinning |
| 08:32.12 | pupnik | thank you |
| 08:32.25 | qwerty12 | no problem :) |
| 08:33.10 | pupnik | was trying to do it with shellscript and not getting anywhere (busybox) |
| 08:33.46 | qwerty12 | yeah, busybox sh really sucks. I installed zap's bash2 from extras and then replaced the bash binary with bash3 |
| 08:34.01 | qwerty12 | I finally have a history command :) |
| 08:35.08 | qwerty12 | lmao, look at the fdupes makefile: http://pastebin.com/d4ef3bba0 |
| 08:35.36 | pupnik | hahaha |
| 08:36.22 | pupnik | sweet, helped me clean out 100 MB of dupes |
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| 08:40.30 | timeless | meh, just install zsh |
| 08:40.55 | qwerty12 | that reminds me, I need to install dash and use it for init scripts |
| 08:41.06 | timeless | good luck w/ that |
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| 08:42.04 | qwerty12 | It can't be worse than busybox sh :> |
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| 08:44.15 | alsor | bash3? lol |
| 08:46.08 | alsor | hi, qwerty12 : I found a screenshot http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/screenies/xp_usb_serial.jpg, do u success to config the network under xp with diablo? |
| 08:46.26 | qwerty12 | alsor: no, that's using usb_serial |
| 08:46.46 | alsor | adapter? |
| 08:46.52 | qwerty12 | *g_serial |
| 08:47.05 | alsor | oh, not g_ether... |
| 08:47.10 | qwerty12 | No module, plug in the usb cable to the N800 and the computer thinks it's a serial device |
| 08:47.11 | qwerty12 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=218847#post218847 |
| 08:47.33 | alsor | ok, let me c.. |
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| 08:50.18 | alsor | aha, sounds good. just like the eval board.. |
| 08:51.59 | aquatix | qwerty12: why's that a bmp with a jpg extension? :) |
| 08:52.11 | aquatix | [ http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/screenies/xp_usb_serial.jpg ] |
| 08:52.33 | aquatix | prefers png for screenshots |
| 08:53.15 | qwerty12 | aquatix: crap, I must have shoved a jpg extension in paint with jpg file type >.<. I'll change that |
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| 08:57.37 | qwerty12 | aquatix: thanks for that, I was wondering why that image loaded slowly |
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| 09:03.57 | qwerty12 | johnx: your cron build is working perfectly, thanks |
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| 09:09.22 | aquatix | qwerty12: yeah, same here :) |
| 09:09.39 | qwerty12 | changed it now to png :) |
| 09:10.47 | aquatix | ah, that's a lot better |
| 09:11.02 | qwerty12 | quite likes running uptimed on his tablet :). It now makes me not want to remove the battery :D |
| 09:13.16 | aquatix | ooh, there's a daemon for that? |
| 09:13.25 | qwerty12 | yer: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/N800_Uptime.htm |
| 09:13.44 | qwerty12 | Though it seems my N800 clock is an hour forward |
| 09:14.21 | aquatix | runs ntpd for that ;) |
| 09:14.33 | aquatix | uptimed is on maemo.org? |
| 09:14.36 | qwerty12 | I just ran rdate :) |
| 09:14.41 | aquatix | :) |
| 09:15.17 | qwerty12 | aquatix: no :(. I built my own debs and then modified everything once it was installed on the tablet to work with maemo oddities :/ |
| 09:15.44 | qwerty12 | cron runs a script once an hour to upload my current uptime to that server while filtering out rubbish |
| 09:16.26 | qwerty12 | if I had dpkg-repack on the tablet, I'd have shared the debs |
| 09:17.26 | aquatix | ah |
| 09:17.28 | aquatix | well |
| 09:17.48 | aquatix | at least it won't make me not want to not reboot the device ;) |
| 09:18.36 | qwerty12 | Hehe, I'll see what I can in regards to sharing uptimed. I had to manually hack /var/lib/dpkg/status to change some of the dependencies so that it would install :/ |
| 09:18.46 | qwerty12 | Then I had to hack the postinst scripts etc |
| 09:18.57 | aquatix | meh, sounds too much work for me ;) |
| 09:19.35 | qwerty12 | Heh, yeah, I only wanted uptimed after I installed the full procps on my tablet for some reason |
| 09:19.47 | qwerty12 | ssh makes it so easy for me to replace crap busybox things |
| 09:19.48 | aquatix | *g* |
| 09:22.02 | aquatix | http://tabletblog.com/2008/08/nokia-announces-ntropic-nseries.html <- that'd be so cool... |
| 09:22.31 | qwerty12 | You know Nokia will never make an UIQ version :P |
| 09:22.43 | aquatix | ? |
| 09:22.45 | qwerty12 | (if that was real of course) |
| 09:22.52 | aquatix | ah :) |
| 09:22.56 | aquatix | good memory ;) |
| 09:23.02 | aquatix | is oggling a nokia e71 though |
| 09:23.26 | aquatix | but i'll run my se m600i in the ground first |
| 09:23.28 | aquatix | so that'd mean an upgrade in 2012 or something |
| 09:23.56 | qwerty12 | Come to london and play javelin with the phone |
| 09:24.22 | aquatix | why in London? |
| 09:24.34 | qwerty12 | London 2012 Olympics |
| 09:24.40 | aquatix | ah :P |
| 09:27.30 | aquatix | well, i prefer doing that somewhat sooner then, and getting an e71 while that device is still new ;) |
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| 09:51.12 | qwerty12 | packages bootchart for maemo, may as well see if using dash makes a difference :> |
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| 09:56.09 | Jaffa | qwerty12: oooh, need pretty graph online |
| 09:58.27 | qwerty12 | :). Just updating the debian package to the latest svn, fingers crossed I won't need to hax the status file to install psmisc :) |
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| 09:59.42 | qwerty12 | It wants java packages for the graph part, I'll build without that, the website works to convert the tgz into graph :) |
| 10:03.09 | oilinki3 | aquatix: I wonder would the Ntropic sync be possible to do with syncml-server or similar? |
| 10:03.11 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: the website doesnt work for me, i just have a bootchart-view installation on my ubuntu |
| 10:03.29 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Thanks, I'll do the same :) |
| 10:04.35 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: http://packages.debian.org/sid/all/bootchart/download works fine without dependancies atleast |
| 10:05.17 | korgoth | hm, anyone good with maemo mapper around? :) |
| 10:07.46 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: yeah, but I'm building the latest svn :) |
| 10:07.59 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: rcS has something about bootchart btw |
| 10:08.24 | Stskeeps | my observation was that /tmp is not hospitable to bootchart due to it being 512k so you need to edit /sbin/bootchartd to place it otherwise |
| 10:09.02 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: yeah, good point, I'll go with /var/tmp :) |
| 10:09.50 | Stskeeps | i'd personally just go with using the 32mb tmpfs mount it offers when the mktemp thing doesnt work :P |
| 10:09.58 | Stskeeps | (if [ -z something ]) |
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| 10:14.10 | Stskeeps | odd observation of the day - screen dimmed, run reboot (no dsme reboot), restart doesnt happen, screen stays off but n800 appears dead |
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| 10:21.24 | Stskeeps | wonders if he should take another crack at ublet or not. |
| 10:21.40 | qwerty12 | ublet? lol |
| 10:21.51 | qwerty12 | oh, ubuntu |
| 10:21.57 | Stskeeps | i had ubuntu 7.10 booting at tablet in summer |
| 10:23.41 | Stskeeps | but not sure if 7.10 even has any interest as it's not as complete as the debian armel port |
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| 10:24.18 | Stskeeps | and since moblin moved to a fedora base ubuntu mobile seems to move a bit to a dead end. |
| 10:25.40 | qwerty12 | Well, it installed but it didn't run on bootup :>. Lemme see what needs changing |
| 10:26.21 | qwerty12 | "/etc/init.d/bootchart: line 32: /lib/init/vars.sh: No such file or directory" |
| 10:26.36 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 10:27.26 | qwerty12 | Hmm, it's in initscripts package. Lemme see if I can work around that. |
| 10:27.44 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/jvtmuukk/chinook/bootchart/ looks interesting |
| 10:28.32 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: it does, thanks for that :) |
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| 10:35.29 | qwerty12 | I made a fake vars.sh because I can't figure out that bootchart-logger.c website :P |
| 10:36.25 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 10:36.31 | Stskeeps | yeah, it stumped me a bit afterwards |
| 10:38.53 | Italodance | damn |
| 10:38.59 | Italodance | i will kill myself now |
| 10:39.02 | Italodance | :"'( |
| 10:39.23 | Stskeeps | you damaged your tablet? |
| 10:39.24 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 10:39.57 | Italodance | 90210 is not available on the scene :"""( |
| 10:40.09 | Stskeeps | heh |
| 10:40.23 | Italodance | have u ever watched it? |
| 10:40.29 | Stskeeps | yes, i have |
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| 10:40.59 | Italodance | :""( |
| 10:41.05 | Stskeeps | that reminds me a bit of a quote by eddie izzard: "if a woman falls over wearing high heels, that's embarassing. if a bloke falls over wearing high heels - he has to kill himself." |
| 10:41.26 | Italodance | http://cwtv.com/shows/90210 |
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| 10:42.04 | Italodance | why isn't it on scene? |
| 10:42.38 | Italodance | ah i am notlucky |
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| 10:47.42 | Italodance | Stskeeps u always watch it ? |
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| 10:47.52 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: http://pastebin.com/d29281d98 - ran it and dsme shut off the n800 :D. |
| 10:48.00 | Khertan_n810 | Salutations |
| 10:48.02 | Italodance | :( |
| 10:48.03 | Italodance | :( |
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| 10:48.05 | Italodance | :( |
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| 10:48.41 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: lovely |
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| 10:48.57 | Stskeeps | just bricked his deblet through installing runit |
| 10:50.01 | qwerty12 | ouch :/ |
| 10:50.38 | Italodance | :""( |
| 10:51.55 | lardman | bricked? |
| 10:52.22 | Stskeeps | hehe, okay, bricked is a hard word, just didnt start up properly ;) |
| 10:59.00 | pupnik | call it 'pillowed' |
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| 11:03.01 | aquatix | oilinki: syncml could help quite a bit yeah |
| 11:03.13 | aquatix | not sure whether everything would be possible with it |
| 11:03.43 | Italodance | lol 1 of the cast is persian |
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| 11:09.03 | Khertan_n810 | syncml sucks ! |
| 11:09.44 | lcuk | Khertan, yes, it sucks data from a specified url |
| 11:09.55 | Khertan_n810 | hum |
| 11:10.24 | Khertan_n810 | do you have read the protocol rtf ? |
| 11:10.53 | lcuk | no, but itsnt it xml and enterprisey? |
| 11:11.19 | Khertan_n810 | opendocument from microsoft is xml too |
| 11:11.31 | Khertan_n810 | this doesn t mean it s a good format |
| 11:11.36 | lcuk | ok, point taken |
| 11:11.43 | lcuk | its enterprisey though :) |
| 11:11.45 | Jaffa | SyncML's the best we've got, though |
| 11:11.55 | Khertan_n810 | it s too much complex |
| 11:11.59 | lcuk | its not meant to be good, its meant to be standard |
| 11:12.07 | Jaffa | It's like democracy - it's the worst form of government; except for the others |
| 11:12.18 | Khertan_n810 | no compatibility with old protocol version |
| 11:12.33 | liri | nicely put Jaffa |
| 11:12.52 | lcuk | Khertan, i have the exact same issues regarding sketches |
| 11:12.54 | Khertan_n810 | too much complex so implentation differ from software client/server |
| 11:13.05 | lcuk | theres an over the top xml spec out there for me to ignore |
| 11:14.02 | Khertan_n810 | this mean when you write a client it work only for some servers |
| 11:14.22 | liri | Khertan: how it goes with google cal/contacts/notebook sync? |
| 11:15.07 | Khertan_n810 | liri: mCalendar is ready for summit |
| 11:15.21 | pupnik | o/ Khertan_n810 :) |
| 11:15.23 | Khertan_n810 | mContact: i m rewriting the ui |
| 11:15.32 | pupnik | is someone gonna blog the summit? |
| 11:15.40 | lcuk | is nowhere near ready, but a lot closer after last night |
| 11:15.53 | lcuk | pupnik, hi def video is being taken |
| 11:15.54 | Khertan_n810 | and mMemo is still in my brain |
| 11:16.48 | lcuk | mmmmDinner is on mine |
| 11:17.05 | Khertan_n810 | or mNotes |
| 11:17.12 | Khertan_n810 | still not sure for the name |
| 11:17.13 | liri | Khertan: ok so what are you doing wasting your time chatting with us here? go finish up mMemo! |
| 11:17.21 | liri | Khertan: mNotes does sound better |
| 11:17.24 | liri | Khertan: :) |
| 11:17.44 | Khertan_n810 | coding while walking in the street isn t secure |
| 11:17.52 | liri | heh |
| 11:18.13 | liri | Khertan: same goes for not watching where you're going while typing the keyboard :P |
| 11:18.16 | lcuk | its secure, but instead of a compilation error you walk into a lamppost |
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| 11:19.21 | *** topic/#maemo by GAN800 -> Sprint 4 review today in #maemo-meeting @ 1900 UTC logs will be available from http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/ http://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint4 | http://maemo.org | https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | logs at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ | http://mxr.maemo.org |
| 11:19.22 | pupnik | woot |
| 11:20.21 | Khertan_n810 | hum could you the summit program to the topic too ? |
| 11:20.29 | GAN800 | Logs may eventually be available. . . . |
| 11:20.45 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 11:20.48 | GAN800 | Could probably use a fallback logger with X-Fade on vacation. |
| 11:21.01 | Khertan_n810 | not a link but the text of the programm ? |
| 11:21.08 | pupnik | It's big, it's heavy, it's wood. |
| 11:21.21 | Khertan_n810 | come back to office |
| 11:21.23 | Khertan_n810 | bye |
| 11:21.24 | GAN800 | Summit's in the topic, you can add the program as well if you want, but we don't want the topic too big. |
| 11:21.44 | Khertan_n810 | GAN800: it was a joke :) |
| 11:21.57 | GAN800 | Right-o |
| 11:22.03 | Khertan_n810 | byye |
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| 11:28.47 | aquatix | wtf, i created an account for https://maemo.org/, but it won't let me log in |
| 11:29.13 | aquatix | er, or it did create one for garage and doesn't let me in at maemo.org |
| 11:29.22 | aquatix | just wants https://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/NuvoPearl/ |
| 11:29.56 | inz | aqua, remove s from https |
| 11:30.18 | aquatix | hm, k |
| 11:31.00 | aquatix | http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/ linked me to http |
| 11:31.02 | aquatix | *https |
| 11:31.19 | lcuk | aquatix, i keep getting similar frustrations whenever i go near bugzilla |
| 11:31.42 | lcuk | im a member of maemo, and the garage but i cant file bug reports \@/ single sign in |
| 11:31.49 | lcuk | and i cant file a bug report to say that.. |
| 11:31.55 | aquatix | hm, with http i get the normal page (after waiting a while) |
| 11:33.23 | GAN800 | lcuk, just create a goddamn bugzilla account. |
| 11:34.21 | GAN800 | Unified accounts are entirely pointless until we have single sign-on, which isn't coming soon. |
| 11:34.21 | lcuk | gan, whenever i go near bugzilla ive got a problem or am trying to respond to someone elses problem |
| 11:34.30 | lcuk | im not there to setup extra accounts |
| 11:34.39 | GAN800 | lcuk, then stfu |
| 11:35.08 | GAN800 | If you can't take 30 seconds to register, then you don't have any complaining rights. |
| 11:35.50 | GAN800 | if you feel like coding up a single sign-on system, feel more than free. |
| 11:36.03 | lcuk | i am merely pointing out the fact other places seem to handle it nicely and an account on the main site is the same as an acocunt on the other things |
| 11:37.03 | GAN800 | lcuk, that's not just something you flip a switch on. |
| 11:37.55 | GAN800 | There's a lot involved in setting up somerthing like that that'll actually work with Downloads, gforge, bugzilla, the wiki, etc, etc, etc. |
| 11:38.36 | GAN800 | While it would be convenient, taking 30 seconds to register wont kill you. |
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| 12:09.43 | lcuk | GAN800, sorry for running (im at work) i only mentioned about it :) im intelligent enough to know when i need it ill sign up, doesnt mean i cant moan about it occasionally |
| 12:10.26 | lcuk | im english, i like to moan, infact i think its going to be one of the new events at the 2012 olympics |
| 12:10.40 | Jaffa | Along with queuing |
| 12:10.58 | lcuk | oh yer jaffa |
| 12:13.26 | lcuk | goes properly now, busy afternoon ahead |
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| 12:19.20 | GAN800 | Hrm, guess I'm gonna miss the sprint today. |
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| 12:30.35 | qwerty12_N800 | lunges at bootchart with a fucking knife |
| 12:31.49 | GAN800 | A fucking knife? How amorous. :P |
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| 12:32.04 | qwerty12_N800 | :P |
| 12:32.21 | qwerty12_N800 | It kept hanging the boot >.< |
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| 12:39.31 | Khertan1 | Hi ! |
| 12:39.48 | Khertan1 | I ve just see that google will release a browser today ... |
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| 12:44.48 | GAN8001 | Hi, guenther. |
| 12:45.39 | guenther | General, heya. |
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| 12:47.07 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: what is inside a bootchart tgz? |
| 12:48.14 | guenther | GAN800: Progressing through your website/bugzilla bugs. It would kind of help if you stop spotting new issues. ;) |
| 12:49.46 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: stats and such |
| 12:50.00 | Stskeeps | doesnt matter really, the java thing tar zxfs it |
| 12:51.04 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: Mind giving me a list of the files? I've got files made by bootchart but no tgz to go with it and i was wondering if these are the right files :) |
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| 12:57.03 | GAN8001 | guenther, just file the new ones to /dev/null? ;) |
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| 12:57.58 | guenther | hehe |
| 12:58.30 | GAN8001 | waits for the tablet to get itself out of retard-mode. |
| 12:59.22 | guenther | Actually, I like those bugs. And it's good someone out there spots the wrong branding and stuff. |
| 13:00.09 | GAN8001 | Prepare for the suffering when things get rolling on the new look. ;) |
| 13:00.26 | GAN8001 | Though that's zero progress so far |
| 13:00.34 | GAN8001 | hopefully somebody'll kick off some discussion at the Summit. |
| 13:01.04 | pupnik | darn you nokia, you got me using fingers on the tablet now |
| 13:01.27 | guenther | oh, yeah, a new look will be lots of work... |
| 13:01.31 | GAN8001 | God damn sfdisk |
| 13:01.37 | GAN8001 | It makes my brain hurt |
| 13:02.35 | qwerty12_N800 | ~lart render.bootchart.org |
| 13:02.35 | infobot | puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at render.bootchart.org |
| 13:03.35 | Stskeeps | GAN8001: parted port exists too |
| 13:03.39 | Stskeeps | less braindamage |
| 13:03.45 | GAN8001 | Stskeeps is it in Extras? |
| 13:04.27 | Stskeeps | no, because i am not inclined to go through that process. but it's at http://trac.tspre.org/svn/deblet/dependancies/parted.deb |
| 13:04.48 | Stskeeps | cfdisk is also there, which is okay too :P |
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| 13:06.40 | Stskeeps | also it's a bit of a hacky package so it would never make it through autobuilder as it doesn't 100% compile on scratchbox |
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| 13:07.29 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: automate the hacks in debian/rules :p |
| 13:08.23 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: pft. i'm a dpkg-deb --build man |
| 13:08.24 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:08.34 | Stskeeps | syntatic sugar are for wussies! |
| 13:09.07 | qwerty12_N800 | dpkg-buildpackage ftw :p. i just use dpkg-deb to repack a file :p |
| 13:09.27 | jott | reveals Stskeeps hidden fetish for using .install files |
| 13:10.15 | Stskeeps | hehe. the .install files are only because people wanted them :P |
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| 13:12.17 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: if i was to put bootchartd on maemo i'd use my linuxrc hack, which would run sbin/bootchartd instead, and change the target directory to somewhere else than /tmp |
| 13:12.58 | qwerty12_N800 | will upload my bootchart of maemo booting using bash 3.2.39 and maemo booting using dash in an hour. I know you all cant wait... |
| 13:13.01 | jott | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:13.04 | jott | hups |
| 13:13.27 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: the way i've got it working is pretty fucked anyway :/ |
| 13:13.35 | jott | calms down his fingers on the mouse |
| 13:14.04 | qwerty12_N800 | it saves in /bootchart, no tgz and no header file |
| 13:14.18 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: maemo booting with dash vs busybox could be interesting |
| 13:15.09 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: yer, but i don't want to resymlink busybox back to sh :p |
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| 13:18.01 | GAN8001 | Hi, sjgadsby. |
| 13:18.08 | sjgadsby | Hello. |
| 13:18.40 | sjgadsby | It appears my N800 died on its charger last night. |
| 13:18.53 | GAN8001 | Bricked or no battery? |
| 13:19.14 | sjgadsby | I've tried two batteries and three chargers, and it shows no signs of life. |
| 13:19.41 | GAN8001 | odd |
| 13:20.07 | qwerty12_N800 | sjgadsby: Was it running diablo? |
| 13:20.13 | sjgadsby | Yep. |
| 13:20.32 | GAN8001 | You didn't overwrite NOLO, did you? :P |
| 13:20.37 | qwerty12_N800 | That counts out the messed bootloader then :/ |
| 13:20.56 | sjgadsby | Heh. No. I haven't played with NOLO. |
| 13:21.22 | sjgadsby | I haven't even set it to boot off an SD card. |
| 13:22.21 | GAN8001 | isn't sure how he should feel about having to use his N800 to partition and format an SD card for the Beagle. |
| 13:23.12 | jott | GAN8001: good? :) |
| 13:23.34 | lcuk | sjgadsby, power spike during the night? are other devices in the house flashing/been reset? |
| 13:23.34 | GAN8001 | I have a feeling I may end up using Deblet it install Debian to it, too. . . . |
| 13:23.40 | GAN8001 | Not entirely sure how that'll work out, though. |
| 13:24.33 | Stskeeps | GAN8001: you might as well debootstrap raw debian.. much of the deblet stuff is because of tablet support |
| 13:24.57 | Stskeeps | (if you're speaking of the beagle) |
| 13:25.02 | sjgadsby | lcuk: I thought of that, but there were no storms last night, the charger was connected to a surge suppressor, and none of the devices in the house that go funny at the smallest power flicker were needing to be reset this morning. |
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| 13:25.32 | GAN8001 | Warranty? |
| 13:26.01 | sjgadsby | No, I bought it in Jan/Feb of 2007. |
| 13:26.06 | lcuk | sjgadsby, oooer ok then, and i gather no signs of life does infact mean you see and hear nothing from the device no matter what you do |
| 13:26.21 | GAN8001 | Doesn't sound good. |
| 13:26.23 | lcuk | not a flicker or a whirr or a humm |
| 13:26.35 | GAN8001 | Blue LED is the thing to watch out for. |
| 13:26.40 | qwerty12_N800 | Though I really wouldn't recommend it and have never tried it, some report success by shoving it in a freezer... |
| 13:26.45 | Italodance | Stskeeps are u there? |
| 13:27.00 | sjgadsby | lcuk: Nothing. The LED never lights, the screen never shows anything. The screen backlight doesn't even turn on. |
| 13:27.07 | GAN8001 | qwerty12_N800, that would be the timing issue with pre-51-3 |
| 13:27.21 | GAN8001 | sjgadsby, well, I'd start by leaving it on the charger for at least 8 hours. |
| 13:27.30 | GAN8001 | If nothing after that, sounds like it's time to replace. . . . |
| 13:27.36 | lcuk | sjgadsby, then i think you might need to look into qwerty12_N800's suggestion |
| 13:27.37 | Stskeeps | Italodance: sortof |
| 13:27.55 | lcuk | as much as it pains me, out of warranty and totally dead - what else can you do... |
| 13:28.03 | Italodance | Stskeeps http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1228840/ Original Air Date:2 September 2008 (Season 1, Episode 1) ??????? |
| 13:28.11 | Italodance | are u sure watched it? |
| 13:28.22 | mikkov_ | nolo == embarrassing btw ;) |
| 13:28.23 | Italodance | so it will be on the scene today! |
| 13:28.25 | Italodance | :) |
| 13:28.27 | Stskeeps | Italodance: no, i haven't watched the sequel and i kinda don't want to |
| 13:28.28 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:28.32 | sjgadsby | GAN8001: Yeah, I have it sitting on the USB charger now (it was on the A/C charger last night). It's charging (maybe?) the battery that wasn't in it last night. |
| 13:29.01 | lcuk | sjgadsby, where boutrs in the world are you? |
| 13:29.12 | sjgadsby | lcuk: Pennsylvania, USA. |
| 13:29.47 | lcuk | whats the weather been like, no chance of an ovenright shower pissin all over your machine or something like that? |
| 13:29.49 | qwerty12_N800 | sjgadsby: Are you good with hacking hardware? |
| 13:30.30 | sjgadsby | lcuk: The weather has been beautiful. No rain. |
| 13:31.01 | lcuk | apart from the sole teardrop falling from your eye upon the sight of your dead nokia |
| 13:32.07 | sjgadsby | qwerty12_N800: I have a continuity tester, a digital multimeter, and a soldering iron, and I was in an electronic kit building club in high school, but no, beyond "oh look, that wire's clearly disconnected" I'm no hardware guy. |
| 13:32.32 | lcuk | check the output from thee battery |
| 13:32.33 | qwerty12_N800 | sjgadsby: ah ok :/ |
| 13:32.38 | lcuk | take out of device |
| 13:32.58 | lcuk | i hope i never have to have a conversation like this |
| 13:33.33 | lcuk | crap, bbl |
| 13:33.38 | sjgadsby | lcuk: I'll grab my multimeter and whatnot at lunch. I've nothing here at work. |
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| 13:36.20 | sjgadsby | Maybe that DealExtreme USB charger that melted down a few months back did do some damage. Heh. |
| 13:37.40 | Kegetys | could just be a dead battery, I think my N810 didnt turn on at all without the battery in |
| 13:37.51 | Kegetys | as in, even with the carger plugged in :) |
| 13:37.55 | Kegetys | +h |
| 13:37.57 | GAN8001 | Yeah, but several dead batteries? |
| 13:38.20 | Kegetys | oh |
| 13:38.52 | GAN8001 | Urg, you really need the diablo-sdk repo for Deblet, Stskeeps? |
| 13:39.38 | Stskeeps | GAN8001: i wish i didn't, sec, lemme just see what package it was for |
| 13:39.41 | qwerty12_N800 | sjgadsby: the tablets are pretty resilient. i connected my n800 to the xbox with a really dodgy usb 2 joypad converter, usb still works fine. connected my n800 to the plug using a really dodgy nokia charger made from splicing the end of the new charger connector onto the plug of an old nokia charger. charging still works. |
| 13:40.35 | GAN8001 | Why does nupgrade.sh never want to participate when I actually want to use it? . . . |
| 13:41.27 | sjgadsby | qwerty12_N800: Yes, I'm hoping that leaving it on a different charger with a different battery will bring it back. If not, it'll be time to try the whole ritual sacrifice thing. |
| 13:43.29 | Stskeeps | GAN8001: ah - because of binutils |
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| 13:43.33 | Stskeeps | that's why we need it |
| 13:43.48 | liri | has to port netbsd 3.X kernel code/modules to linux 2.4 |
| 13:43.59 | liri | aewww, such a lousy job :p |
| 13:48.33 | GAN8001 | wow |
| 13:48.39 | GAN8001 | The Deblet installer is quite impressive. |
| 13:49.27 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: that reminds me, can i still use my own bootmenu.conf entries with your initfs. |
| 13:49.34 | qwerty12_N800 | s/./? |
| 13:49.46 | qwerty12_N800 | sorry to be a prick about it |
| 13:52.52 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: yeah, you may need to edit it a bit |
| 13:52.59 | Stskeeps | you can always make *.items yourself |
| 13:53.04 | Stskeeps | it's damn easy |
| 13:53.38 | GAN8001 | hadn't touched Debian since johnx's last tgz release. |
| 13:54.10 | GAN8001 | I should pick up another 16GB card and partition it out to have lots of interesting things to boot from. |
| 13:54.32 | qwerty12_N800 | ok, cool, atm, i have an entry which triggers the framebuffer to automatically refresh and inserts modules to see the boot log and i don't want yo lose that :) |
| 13:54.33 | Stskeeps | we also support boot-from-file on vfat btw |
| 13:54.46 | liri | I really don't know netbsd, would be nice if anyone here has/had some experience |
| 13:54.47 | qwerty12_N800 | s/yo/to/ |
| 13:55.26 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: else it's a matter of editing bootmenu.conf and simply adding entries and increasing the counter |
| 13:56.07 | GAN8001 | So, folks, we're down to less than 24 hours to submit your community council candidacy announcements. |
| 13:56.19 | GAN8001 | We've got 6 people now, which means only one person can lose. |
| 13:56.29 | GAN8001 | Anybody want to step up? |
| 13:56.35 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: take a look at bootmenu.conf if you haven't already :) |
| 13:57.51 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: cool, will do. i'll resize my ext2 partition and reinstall debian later! :) |
| 13:58.13 | GAN8001 | Do I NEED to install the Deblet bootmenu? |
| 13:58.35 | JamieBennett | GAN8001: I'm a little disappointed that more didn't put themselves forward :( |
| 13:58.48 | Stskeeps | GAN8001: it's the best experience, but the stuff to boot from normal bootmenu is still in the init scripts |
| 13:59.37 | Stskeeps | also imho it's better to write .item files in /etc/bootmenu.d and refresh-bootmenu.d, instead of a static bootmenu conf, but that's just me |
| 14:00.01 | GAN8001 | sjgadsby, might you consider putting in a nomination? |
| 14:00.33 | Stskeeps | bbl making food |
| 14:00.42 | sjgadsby | GAN8001: Hmm? A nomination? |
| 14:01.47 | GAN8001 | For yourself. ;) |
| 14:01.49 | GAN8001 | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/community_council_election.html |
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| 14:15.59 | GAN8001 | Pandora got a bit more expensive. . . . |
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| 14:19.43 | rm_you | GAN8001: yeah :/ I started using last.fm in preparation for pandora's death <_< |
| 14:19.46 | rm_you | ack bbl, late |
| 14:20.10 | qwerty12_N800 | lol, i think pandora as in console :p |
| 14:20.14 | GAN8001 | lol |
| 14:20.21 | rm_you | lol |
| 14:20.23 | GAN8001 | When I say Pandora, I NEVER mean the music service. ;) |
| 14:20.25 | rm_you | yeah realized that |
| 14:20.30 | rm_you | hehe |
| 14:20.42 | Kegetys | I think Pandora as in Amiga 500 game :P |
| 14:20.45 | rm_you | its gonna take a bit for me to NOT think of the music service |
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| 14:21.29 | qwerty12_N800 | uses Bittorrent + Gnutella as my music service |
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| 14:31.10 | andrewfblack | how much is the Pandora going to be now? |
| 14:31.19 | GAN8001 | £199 |
| 14:31.25 | GAN8001 | ~$350-$400 |
| 14:31.41 | andrewfblack | Wasn't it supose to be out like last month |
| 14:31.54 | GAN8001 | It was supposed to ship in April. |
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| 14:32.06 | GAN8001 | Now we're looking at December. |
| 14:32.15 | andrewfblack | lol they are trying to be like a big company I guess lol |
| 14:32.20 | GAN8001 | I hate that Karel has made me feel good about Pandora delays. . . . |
| 14:33.24 | andrewfblack | how did you make you feel good about delays? |
| 14:33.41 | ShadowJK | pandora the band? |
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| 14:34.20 | GAN8001 | His neverending line of bullshit has ingrained a kneejerk negative response towards the Pandora in me. |
| 14:34.28 | melmoth | ahahaha |
| 14:34.30 | melmoth | oups |
| 14:34.32 | GAN8001 | ShadowJK, what do you think? |
| 14:34.37 | ShadowJK | no idea |
| 14:34.37 | GAN8001 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandora_(console) |
| 14:34.47 | ShadowJK | oh, a console? |
| 14:34.49 | ShadowJK | I didn't know :-) |
| 14:35.33 | andrewfblack | lol I don't know what would be worst the fast that everyone things my Nokia is a phone or the fact that everyone is going to thing Pandora is a Nintendo DS :) |
| 14:35.55 | andrewfblack | If you never heard of a pandora then youdno't know Karel |
| 14:36.10 | ShadowJK | who's karel |
| 14:36.11 | andrewfblack | Its the only thing he talks about it seems |
| 14:36.41 | GAN8001 | I'm not sure how he thinks it's going to kill the tablets |
| 14:36.46 | GAN8001 | since it doesn't even ship with an OS. |
| 14:37.12 | GAN8001 | and the OMAP3530 bootloader is in a state enough that getting one on it is somewhat time consuming. |
| 14:38.01 | andrewfblack | GAN8001 thats the best part its so cool it doens't need an OS |
| 14:38.53 | glass | well as long thers sw for it.. |
| 14:39.35 | GAN8001 | You can get Debian or Ubuntu or Angstrom on it without much trouble. |
| 14:43.32 | Khertan1 | GAN800: does we know the life battery time of the current proto device ? |
| 14:43.57 | lardman | ~10hrs they say |
| 14:44.13 | Khertan1 | yep ... "they" |
| 14:44.30 | Khertan1 | but noone not a from pandora have try a prototype yet ? |
| 14:45.06 | lardman | yep, that's about the size of it |
| 14:45.20 | Khertan1 | if it like UMPC when Microsoft talk about it ... Around 10 Hours ... |
| 14:45.36 | Khertan1 | it s seems not to use the same referential time than us ... |
| 14:45.42 | lardman | it may well be true, stick a big battery in, etc |
| 14:46.00 | Khertan1 | s/not to/they not use |
| 14:46.00 | lardman | what does the N810 manage? 3hrs of use? |
| 14:46.10 | aquatix | lardman: more |
| 14:46.16 | aquatix | lardman: depending of use |
| 14:46.17 | Khertan1 | lardman: huhu really more |
| 14:46.26 | Khertan1 | i ll say 4 hours of videos |
| 14:46.35 | andrewfblack | I can get 5 hours doing GPS |
| 14:46.36 | aquatix | yeah, something like that indeed |
| 14:46.41 | lardman | yeah, mine lasts ages, I can't remember what they said the 10hrs was doing |
| 14:46.44 | Khertan1 | and 12 hours at least in wifi surfing the web |
| 14:47.33 | andrewfblack | I have anice battery pack for mine now so I don't remember last time it was dead |
| 14:47.38 | PauloZanoni | which repository will give me a x11-dev package? |
| 14:47.59 | aquatix | andrewfblack: well, i don't let mine go dead :) |
| 14:48.08 | aquatix | `battery low' -> run to power outlet |
| 14:49.05 | lardman | PauloZanoni: the standard maemo one used for scratchbox |
| 14:49.13 | lardman | I presume |
| 14:50.33 | PauloZanoni | lardman: I just wanted to do a "gcc -lX11 -lXtst" inside the device (not on any other machine or test environment) |
| 14:51.04 | lardman | PauloZanoni: well add the standard repo which is used by the ARM scratchbox target |
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| 14:53.37 | PauloZanoni | lardman: thx. I'll try to find its url =) |
| 14:54.14 | lardman | I would tell you but I'm on a Windows box atm, sorry |
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| 14:55.25 | qwerty12 | PauloZanoni: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3405#c6 |
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| 15:03.51 | PauloZanoni | qwerty12: thanks! =) |
| 15:06.56 | Khertan1 | someone know lorelei ? |
| 15:07.01 | Khertan1 | an itt member |
| 15:07.08 | Khertan1 | does he come on #maemo ? |
| 15:07.47 | aquatix | sounds like a girl ;) |
| 15:09.11 | Stskeeps | ~seen lorelei |
| 15:09.29 | infobot | lorelei <n=asuka@211.76.35.95> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 618d 2h 3m 7s ago, saying: 'sorry, I am busy to watch tv'. |
| 15:09.29 | aquatix | laggy bot |
| 15:09.43 | aquatix | wow |
| 15:09.54 | qwerty12 | woah, infobot is a perv |
| 15:09.55 | inz | That's one long tv watching session |
| 15:10.08 | Stskeeps | tries installing upstart on deblet and see how it blows up |
| 15:10.14 | aquatix | qwerty12: why perv? |
| 15:10.23 | aquatix | qwerty12: stalker-y? |
| 15:10.35 | qwerty12 | aquatix: it keeps track of people that haven't been seen in about ~2 years :p |
| 15:10.43 | aquatix | ah :) |
| 15:10.44 | Stskeeps | scary, it booted |
| 15:10.49 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: worked for me in maemo, just shutting down would hang :D |
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| 15:12.43 | aquatix | -> home |
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| 15:15.10 | Khertan1 | lol |
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| 15:15.25 | Khertan1 | ~seen ibot |
| 15:15.27 | infobot | ibot is currently on #bzflag (1d 12h 42m 23s) #iteam (1d 12h 42m 23s) ##bspress (1d 12h 42m 23s) #brlcad (1d 12h 42m 23s) #handhelds (1d 12h 42m 23s) #utah (1d 12h 42m 23s) #oe (1d 12h 42m 23s) #zaurus (1d 12h 42m 23s) #gllug (1d 12h 42m 23s) #pillbox (1d 12h 42m 23s) #handhelds-gpe (1d 12h 42m 23s) #openzaurus (1d 12h 42m 23s) #silvercat (1d 12h 42m ... |
| 15:17.16 | oilinki | is there any numbers how many people are running maemo mapper on the tablets? |
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| 15:19.25 | andre__ | how to count? |
| 15:19.36 | oilinki | maybe downloads? |
| 15:20.00 | oilinki | well. I have no idea how many tablets are out there |
| 15:20.03 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: replaced sh with dash, maemo-launcher init script is not compatible with it >.<. But the rest is all good and it does seem to be booting faster. let me change maemo-launcher script back to busybox sh. |
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| 15:22.02 | elekt | dance! |
| 15:27.26 | sp3000 | sees "Closing old moreinfo bugs in Maemo Bugzilla" |
| 15:28.06 | sp3000 | wonders what additional information such closing adds to the bugs |
| 15:28.29 | timeless | notes it's very informative |
| 15:28.41 | sp3000 | I suppose it's ok if not applied too liberally |
| 15:29.20 | sp3000 | and, hm, moreinfo is manual |
| 15:29.34 | sp3000 | yeah, that should be ok as long as it's not an essay |
| 15:29.53 | sp3000 | got kneejerk expi rash on first sight |
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| 15:47.51 | Khertan_n810 | someone know if abiword stock a reference to an inserted image or if the image is stored in the file itself |
| 15:47.55 | Khertan_n810 | ? |
| 15:48.06 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: heh, i have a negative effect on deblet when using upstart, that's interesting |
| 15:48.15 | Stskeeps | then again nothing is really dependancy-based |
| 15:48.47 | qwerty12 | Heh, atm, I'm fixing scripts that don't like being run by dash >.< |
| 15:48.56 | qwerty12 | maemo-launcher and ke-recv are 2 so far |
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| 15:50.44 | Stskeeps | bashisms? |
| 15:51.24 | qwerty12 | Seems like it, but busybox's ash runs them fine :/ |
| 15:51.40 | Stskeeps | stuff like = and == or? |
| 15:52.28 | qwerty12 | I can't be bothered to go through the scripts again so ones that are not compatible with dash, I make the 1st line be: #!/bin/busybox sh (on my N800, /bin/sh --> /bin/bash) |
| 15:53.06 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
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| 15:55.08 | qwerty12 | I'll set up upstart now :>. My maemo deb is .2.0 out of date. Plus I need to fix it hanging on shutdown |
| 15:55.52 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
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| 15:58.47 | Stskeeps | wonders how to speed up debian |
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| 16:00.47 | matmo | g'day. Can anyone point me to documentation/example for "maemo-version", assuming this is what I need to detect platform/version for conditional compile? |
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| 16:10.28 | Jaffa | Hmm, not many last minute council nominations |
| 16:11.47 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: btw, you know like we have to compile statically for initfs? I saw this: http://www.fefe.de/dietlibc/ and I wondered if we could get smaller static binaries with it than with uclibc? |
| 16:12.12 | lardman | Jaffa: how long left? |
| 16:14.27 | Jaffa | lardman: erm, 23:59 UTC so about 5 hours or so? |
| 16:14.34 | lardman | Right, have emailed the list as per the instructions |
| 16:15.06 | lardman | cu chaps later |
| 16:15.23 | Jaffa | lardman|gone: ah, cool - thanks |
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| 16:21.24 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: dash isn't that useful on a tablet, it's missing the builtin source command which is quite vital. osso-system-ui has messed up locales (i.e it won't say shutdown, offline mode etc) |
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| 16:28.39 | Knowledge | Sooo....about that new internet tablet that's coming out.... |
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| 16:30.34 | qwerty12 | lcuk: when you say debiantools, do you mean debianutils? |
| 16:31.19 | johnx | Knowledge, do you know something I don't? |
| 16:31.29 | Knowledge | Nah, I was hoping someone else did.... |
| 16:31.31 | Knowledge | damn it |
| 16:31.41 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: k |
| 16:32.11 | johnx | Knowledge, just do like i do: stalk itt forums and engadget.com |
| 16:32.24 | johnx | if you want to be more complete follow a couple more tech sites |
| 16:32.34 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: it will probably do wonders when debian crew use it officially but atm, it's incompatible osso-af which is quite vital :/ |
| 16:32.41 | johnx | one of those places will know about it as soon there's something to know about? |
| 16:33.42 | Knowledge | I hope |
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| 16:34.12 | johnx | s/about?/about :)/ |
| 16:34.26 | johnx | I really don't know where that "?" came from O_o |
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| 16:35.43 | Khertan_n810 | just discover how using gtk and thread isn t really safe |
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| 16:36.52 | Stskeeps | johnx: is lxde compatible with let's say nm-applet and extensible regarding adding stuff to panels and such? (if i was to make a more "stable" standard environment than nit-env-stskeeps) |
| 16:37.21 | johnx | Stskeeps, I'm pretty sure it has a systray |
| 16:37.23 | Stskeeps | and how does on screen kbd go with it, if at all? |
| 16:38.04 | johnx | Stskeeps, The window manager is openbox. I need to play with my config a bit before I'm happy I think... |
| 16:38.28 | johnx | Stskeeps, also, have you seen the alternate layout for matchbox-keyboard? |
| 16:38.35 | Stskeeps | nop? screenshots? |
| 16:39.01 | johnx | Stskeeps, in a couple minutes. :) |
| 16:39.26 | Stskeeps | my main experience with m-k is that in some wm's it fits in nicely in the bottom and in others it becomes a window, which goes amok if tried to be resized:P |
| 16:39.47 | johnx | openbox is pretty configurable |
| 16:40.29 | johnx | it has nice support for matching window names/classes and performing actions on certain windows, i.e. maximize, don't decorate, resize, place here |
| 16:41.03 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 16:42.52 | johnx | Stskeeps, did you see my screenshot last night? |
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| 16:47.20 | Stskeeps | gah @ isp |
| 16:47.47 | johnx | I need to play with the way matchbox keyboard gets treated... |
| 16:48.01 | Stskeeps | johnx: no, but i'll look at the maemo irc logs |
| 16:48.51 | Stskeeps | ah - yes, i saw that one |
| 16:48.54 | Stskeeps | (new-screenie2) |
| 16:48.59 | johnx | yeah |
| 16:49.07 | Stskeeps | looks good - you force all apps to be fullscreen or? |
| 16:49.22 | johnx | they're just maximized with their titlebar hidden by default |
| 16:49.42 | Stskeeps | well, or automatically maximized |
| 16:49.45 | Stskeeps | k |
| 16:49.48 | johnx | You can get the titlebar back and resize as you see fit on a case-by-case basis |
| 16:50.05 | Stskeeps | looks good |
| 16:50.11 | Stskeeps | does lxde do libgtkstylus or? |
| 16:50.16 | johnx | yup |
| 16:50.30 | johnx | and it's a heck of a lot lighter than xfce |
| 16:50.50 | johnx | I have it on my zaurus now too :) |
| 16:50.58 | Stskeeps | if you get bored, nit-env-lxde is still up for grabs ;) |
| 16:51.15 | johnx | I'll see how far I can get tonight |
| 16:51.22 | Stskeeps | since deblet definately needs a just as functional environment as beta3 did |
| 16:51.48 | johnx | so you're having good results with nm-applet? |
| 16:52.18 | Stskeeps | i'm not confident it's nm's fault there's occasional unstable wifi or not |
| 16:52.28 | Stskeeps | other deblet users prefer other ones |
| 16:52.58 | johnx | well, deblet is the distro for people who want to paint the shed a different color :D |
| 16:53.08 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 16:53.59 | johnx | ok, openbox does not love matchbox-keyboard...I just need to find out why... |
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| 16:56.12 | lcuk | qwerty12, more than likely, yes |
| 16:56.47 | qwerty12 | lcuk: ahh, because I've got debianutils installed on my tablet for dialog |
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| 16:57.25 | qwerty12 | I used a dirty hack to install it but I may be able to clean it up |
| 17:01.42 | Khertan_n810 | ~seen brontide |
| 17:01.47 | infobot | brontide is currently on #maemo (2d 19h 26m 22s). Has said a total of 58 messages. Is idling for 13h 33m 55s, last said: 'GAN8001: I'll look it over but with my schedule I doubt I'll get any real headway on another project. Most of my problems is because .deb packages are very foreign to me'. |
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| 17:04.44 | qwerty12 | waits for mkfs.jffs2 to churn an jffs2 backup of my rootfs... |
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| 17:06.12 | johnx | qwerty12, when did you start using Linux? |
| 17:06.26 | rm_you | johnx: johnx! :P |
| 17:06.26 | johnx | (random question, out of curiosity) |
| 17:06.31 | johnx | rm_you, :D |
| 17:06.43 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: remind me when you turn adult to hire you if i have a company :P |
| 17:06.59 | johnx | rm_you, how go things? and stuff? |
| 17:07.25 | qwerty12 | johnx: about a month after I got my tablet, which was around last year. I'd read tons of linux books before that and had used linux before that but I wasn't serious then :) |
| 17:07.27 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: :) |
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| 17:08.35 | Khertan_n810 | doing pratice to learn is the best thing to do |
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| 17:09.06 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: you should set up a donation box, when i was 15 i actually got quite a decent amount of donations in from my work on my irc daemon |
| 17:09.07 | Khertan_n810 | look at me ... i ve never write a line of python before i get my nit |
| 17:09.08 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 17:09.28 | rm_you | johnx: things and stuff happen. i mentioned we got a neko, i believe... it is very cute :) and starting up classes and things |
| 17:09.49 | Khertan_n810 | Stskeeps: you are lucky i never get donation for kmeteos |
| 17:09.51 | Khertan_n810 | kmeteo |
| 17:09.58 | johnx | rm_you, did you get the computer situation figured out better? |
| 17:10.04 | Khertan_n810 | except a nice bill from my web host |
| 17:10.14 | rm_you | working on routing two internet connections together through one linux box |
| 17:10.19 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Wow. I'm not inclined to work for donations :) (though I do want money in my real job when I get one obviously :D) |
| 17:10.29 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: oh, i don't work for the donations, they just help |
| 17:10.30 | rm_you | i have a 24port gigabit managed switch :P |
| 17:10.34 | qwerty12 | Khertan_n810: Cool, what did you used to program in? |
| 17:10.35 | Stskeeps | Khertan_n810: i've always managed to get free hosting from people.. perk of it being irc :P |
| 17:11.00 | Khertan_n810 | which send me a 200 dollars bill for bandwith limit |
| 17:11.18 | Khertan_n810 | 45000 download the same day |
| 17:11.34 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: but if we count donations since i was 15 i think i've gotten atleast ~1500 usd over time |
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| 17:11.39 | Stskeeps | for a bloody ircd |
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| 17:11.49 | Khertan_n810 | huhu |
| 17:11.49 | Stskeeps | and that doesn't count hosting |
| 17:12.12 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: that reminds me as I'm doing this, if I did make bootmenu support backing up mtdblock4, I'd have to shove a notice in to remind people to turn on rd mode >.< |
| 17:12.22 | Khertan_n810 | i don t get a donation i get a bill (i ve paid 200 euros) |
| 17:12.24 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: shit, ~$1500!?! |
| 17:12.31 | Khertan_n810 | and leave them 5 min after |
| 17:12.37 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: 10 dollar per user does add up |
| 17:12.52 | Stskeeps | (or more, what they choose to donate) |
| 17:13.00 | qwerty12 | heh, that's brilliant :) |
| 17:13.13 | Khertan_n810 | hum maybe i ll get some donation for mCalendar ? |
| 17:13.21 | Khertan_n810 | hihi ... i don t believe |
| 17:13.36 | qwerty12 | but I don't really have anything to call my own, I just compile other people's programs and search for little hacks |
| 17:14.01 | Stskeeps | Khertan_n810: if you have happy users and it's non-intrusive that you're asking for donations, it might come |
| 17:14.26 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: i've gotten 100$ for setting up an ircd on a shell account, don't underestimate the hacks :P |
| 17:14.30 | Khertan_n810 | what do you mean by 'non-intrusive' ? |
| 17:14.41 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: lol |
| 17:16.18 | Khertan_n810 | his happy ... mCalendar gui is now better, sync log and multi calendar sync are debugged |
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| 17:16.58 | Khertan_n810 | and tomorrow i ll try to do a real ui for mContacts |
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| 17:17.15 | Stskeeps | Khertan_n810: my donation method is basically a paypal button on home page, putting donator name in the credits of programs and a text file stating that "we give you this program for free, but we put a lot of effort, time and money into making this program. If you appreciate this program, you can donate <here>, - anything will do" :P |
| 17:17.30 | Stskeeps | i've gotten weird hardware at some point too, but it -did- help :P |
| 17:17.30 | Khertan_n810 | brontide: are you here ? |
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| 17:19.45 | Khertan_n810 | Stskeeps: hum used the same method in the past without success |
| 17:19.50 | rm_you | goes to pay rent |
| 17:20.16 | Stskeeps | Khertan_n810: you're doing the right thing with mcalendar atleast, you seem to be involved with your users |
| 17:20.32 | Stskeeps | then again, i also did support for people quite often, which increased donations |
| 17:21.10 | rm_you | I really wonder when I'll find time this semester to do the control panel applet portion of ABL <_< |
| 17:21.11 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 17:21.23 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: "If you appreciate my work and would like to show it, there's a donation box <here>. Anything will do". I'd actually donate :P |
| 17:22.02 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Heh, lol, thanks :) |
| 17:22.16 | Khertan_n810 | Stskeeps: i m trying to do a usefull calendar app for maemo |
| 17:22.24 | Stskeeps | but in the end it comes down to that with OSS projects - I get more money off working per week than i get in half a year of donations |
| 17:22.31 | Stskeeps | Khertan_n810: which is bloody needed |
| 17:22.41 | Khertan_n810 | i found that maemo lack from a good calendar |
| 17:23.01 | rm_you | Khertan_n810: truth |
| 17:23.02 | qwerty12 | great, my rootfs finally dumped, now I can start testing upstart :> |
| 17:23.11 | Stskeeps | i would be happy with a decent ical viewer |
| 17:23.14 | rm_you | i tried to use gpe calendar, but it is only soso |
| 17:23.28 | Khertan_n810 | same things for contacts app |
| 17:24.09 | Khertan_n810 | personnaly i found that using gpe is a real pain |
| 17:24.22 | Khertan_n810 | interface isn t designed for maemo |
| 17:24.26 | Stskeeps | quote of the day: "and your deblet installer has more dependencies than a sociopath." |
| 17:24.49 | Khertan_n810 | and alarm need that pe work in background |
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| 17:25.40 | rm_you | goes to pay rent, *really* |
| 17:25.46 | Stskeeps | hehe |
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| 17:25.55 | Stskeeps | automatically transfered through my netbank here |
| 17:25.56 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:27.19 | Khertan_n810 | self.bp_autosync = self.wTree.get_widget("bp_autosync" |
| 17:27.23 | Khertan_n810 | ouch sorry |
| 17:31.30 | liri | canola can't play videos/music over nfs/sabma yet right? |
| 17:31.51 | GAN8001 | UPnP is better. |
| 17:32.31 | lcuk | what does canola look for to identify images, cos it cant find anything even though i have stuff on my drives? |
| 17:32.40 | qwerty12_N800 | liri: You may be able to mount your smb share and add it to the scanned dirs. |
| 17:32.47 | GAN8001 | You have to add search directories. |
| 17:32.57 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: you happen to know if there's any stuff like blkid to get UUIDs in initfs? |
| 17:33.01 | liri | GAN8001: : does it support upnp? |
| 17:33.10 | GAN8001 | liri, yes. . . . |
| 17:33.16 | Stskeeps | (from block partitions) |
| 17:33.21 | lcuk | ahhhh gan, ill go hunting |
| 17:33.22 | liri | qwerty12_N800: well that's the alternative |
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| 17:33.27 | Khertan_n810 | streaming video is like using a fat16 to write a 4Go file ! |
| 17:33.42 | liri | GAN8001: ahh nice, but I don't know if mythtv supports that and how |
| 17:33.53 | GAN8001 | It should |
| 17:33.56 | GAN8001 | along with transcoding. |
| 17:34.44 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: no idea, sorry. if busybox has the feature, compile that statically. i'll compile a blkid binary tomorrow |
| 17:35.34 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 17:36.02 | liri | Khertan: finished with nNotes already? :-) |
| 17:36.09 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i'm just thinking it could prolly be better for a bootmenu to look for UUIDs instead of block devices.. so people can switch sd cards etc and we can tell them no such partition etc ;) |
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| 17:36.20 | qwerty12_N800 | i still wonder if dietlibc is smaller than uclibb |
| 17:36.26 | GAN8001 | is off |
| 17:36.31 | GAN8001 | Have fun with the Sprint. ;) |
| 17:36.31 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: hehe |
| 17:36.49 | liri | Khertan: I'm just enjoying bugging you, ignore my comments. Is there a way I can help though? |
| 17:37.45 | Stskeeps | Khertan_n810: your screenshots on http://khertan.net/mcalendar/mcalendar.php are broken btw |
| 17:38.46 | Khertan_n810 | the css too |
| 17:38.55 | Khertan_n810 | where do you get this url ? |
| 17:39.02 | Khertan_n810 | the right is : http://khertan.net/mcalendar.php |
| 17:39.25 | Stskeeps | was referred to it from garage project |
| 17:39.55 | Khertan_n810 | hum ... it s sad |
| 17:40.38 | liri | Khertan: when it "syncs" to google calendar, does it download all calendar items? |
| 17:40.48 | Khertan_n810 | nope |
| 17:40.57 | Khertan_n810 | it do it the first time |
| 17:41.14 | Khertan_n810 | but after i just look at the updated one |
| 17:41.19 | ToyKeeper | Is there any way to flash a n810 without a USB cable? |
| 17:41.34 | Stskeeps | ToyKeeper: internally from tablet, maybe |
| 17:42.01 | liri | Khertan: but still, is there a way to limit it to download from date x to date y? |
| 17:42.25 | ToyKeeper | Just curious; I got one slightly used and everything except the cable is included. Not sure if I need to go buy one. |
| 17:42.43 | Stskeeps | it's a fairly standard usb cable afaik |
| 17:42.53 | ToyKeeper | Yeah, it's just a size I don't have. |
| 17:43.06 | lcuk | toykeeper, ive used about 3 times - twice for flashing, and once to play with a usb keyboard (before going out getting a bt one) |
| 17:43.17 | lcuk | used mine ^ |
| 17:43.18 | Khertan_n810 | Stskeeps: thx for the broken link |
| 17:43.20 | Khertan_n810 | i ve just updated garage |
| 17:43.37 | ToyKeeper | Yeah, I don't expect to use it much. But I do want to flash it once in a while. |
| 17:44.05 | lcuk | ToyKeeper, get yourself a replacement from nokia or elsewhere then |
| 17:44.27 | ToyKeeper | :) |
| 17:45.30 | Stskeeps | so what does people think about bounty-based projects? having a base project, and then if X people put in a bounty (money) for a certain feature to be added, and developer Y implements feature, users X agrees this is what they wanted and the money then flows to developer Y? |
| 17:46.32 | liri | Khertan: so what about that calendar sync? I'm asking because I use like 10 calendars altogether and they're pretty large. I wouldn't want to be downloading hundreds of megabyte worth of data (even if it's one time). |
| 17:47.53 | lcuk | Stskeeps, thats the way it should be :) once a developer begins taking in outside requests to do code he himself would not undertake on his own back, his time should be compensated - OSS doesnt prevent that, it just gives more people the opportunity to assist |
| 17:48.53 | Stskeeps | i'm looking a bit at http://micropledge.com/ |
| 17:48.55 | Stskeeps | seems interesting |
| 17:48.55 | Pebby | Stskeeps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_Performer_Protocol ;) |
| 17:49.51 | melmoth | I am happy to announce a first usable demo of sayhoo (a "find your route with a rentabike in paris" application) :-) |
| 17:49.59 | melmoth | http://sayhoo.garage.maemo.org/ |
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| 17:55.31 | Stskeeps | it could be an interesting method to induce tablet programming atleast |
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| 17:56.40 | mikkov_ | melmoth: sayhoo looks interesting. Where does it get it's routing data? |
| 17:57.42 | lcuk | Stskeeps, i believe there is a bounty section on the garage |
| 17:58.46 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 17:58.55 | Stskeeps | i'd never trust garage with money though :P but that's just me |
| 17:59.53 | jott | Stskeeps: i already recieved a bounty for a garage project :D. |
| 18:00.02 | melmoth | mikkov_: open street maps |
| 18:00.26 | jott | the system works :). |
| 18:00.46 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 18:02.08 | jott | but encouraging others to pay a bounty is nice as a little incentive. |
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| 18:16.42 | liri | ok got upnp up on mythtv, now to figure out how to get it working on canola |
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| 18:25.55 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: btw, mmc block numbers are funky in maemo : https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2747 |
| 18:27.50 | Stskeeps | oh bloody hell |
| 18:27.59 | Stskeeps | -that's- what that fix is for |
| 18:28.19 | qwerty12_N800 | lol, you removed it!?! |
| 18:28.35 | Stskeeps | no, i didn't use INT_CARD/EXT_CARD |
| 18:28.42 | qwerty12_N800 | ah |
| 18:29.17 | qwerty12_N800 | lol, i'll wait for you to fix before installing debian again :) |
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| 18:31.25 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: what partition size would you recommend for deblet? atm i've got a 2gb partition |
| 18:31.37 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i run with 1.8-9gb or something |
| 18:31.59 | johnx | I guess it depends on how many things you want to compile... |
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| 18:32.07 | mikkov_ | melmoth: so sayhoo should work in other cities than Paris too |
| 18:32.29 | melmoth | yep |
| 18:32.46 | melmoth | but, if it s bigger than paris, chances are there will be not enough ram on the tablet |
| 18:33.11 | mikkov_ | luckily helsinki isn't bigger than paris ;) |
| 18:33.40 | melmoth | mikkov_: you can 'easily' prepare the same for helsinky wiht the tools directory |
| 18:34.03 | melmoth | first look at feed-osm-db.py |
| 18:34.34 | melmoth | at the bottom, change the settinfs so it match a retangle containing helsinky |
| 18:34.55 | melmoth | launch it, it will download info from openstreetmap, and create the database. |
| 18:35.31 | melmoth | do the same with downloadtiles.py |
| 18:35.47 | mikkov_ | ok, going to try it |
| 18:35.59 | melmoth | and , then , you also need to prepare a pickle jar. with create-pickle.py |
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| 18:36.37 | melmoth | the pickle jar is the graph of street and ways so that python can load it without having to compute it live again |
| 18:37.11 | melmoth | finally, i think in sayhooGlobals.py you have to tell where to start from (as far as displaying the tiles are concerned) |
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| 18:57.53 | andrewfblack | if anyone is interested looks like google chrome is out |
| 18:58.10 | lardman | is there an url? |
| 18:58.28 | lardman | Anyone have a recommendation for a windiff (i.e. graphical diff) for Gnome? |
| 18:58.46 | andrewfblack | http://www.google.com/chrome |
| 18:58.54 | lardman | lol, easy as that |
| 18:59.02 | andrewfblack | installing now |
| 18:59.26 | andrewfblack | got to love it it will even install on my work computer which doens't have admin access :) |
| 18:59.37 | Juhaz | lardman, meld |
| 18:59.53 | johnx | yay! windows only! woo! |
| 19:00.09 | lardman | Juhaz: great, looks ideal :) |
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| 19:02.14 | andrewfblack | lol well only think I have done with it so far is itt forums and the funny thing it they do seem to run better |
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| 19:05.18 | liri | is mediaserv from mediautils supposed to be a upnp server? |
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| 19:07.57 | Stskeeps | qwerty12-N800: damnit, now i have to refactor a hell lot of stuff to make this stuff :P |
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| 19:08.59 | qwerty12-N800 | Stskeeps: lol, ouch, i just thought you would have to do a sed :p |
| 19:09.47 | lardman | Juhaz: works really well, many thanks |
| 19:10.20 | Stskeeps | qwerty12-N800: i wish |
| 19:10.35 | qwerty12-N800 | :/ |
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| 19:16.50 | jott | so anyone ported chrome to maemo yet? :> |
| 19:17.50 | johnx | jott, heh...it's not even out for linux :P |
| 19:17.50 | RST38h | why? |
| 19:17.54 | Pebby | I have several libraries compiling in scratchbox and I would like to make debian packages to get them on my n810 easily - is there a good way to build them all as one super-package, or do they have to be separate ones? |
| 19:19.08 | ToyKeeper | Heard of any fitaly keyboards for maemo? |
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| 19:22.31 | jott | johnx: wonder what's missing :), download takes quite a while 450mb.. |
| 19:22.38 | jott | and only 450kb/s... |
| 19:22.47 | johnx | 450MB? |
| 19:22.51 | johnx | seriously? |
| 19:24.15 | jott | the source, yes. |
| 19:24.40 | jott | probably includes test cases etc. |
| 19:26.00 | johnx | i wonder if they wrote their own toolkit or if they're using xul or what... |
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| 19:28.44 | RST38h | they are using webkit |
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| 19:31.02 | jott | RST38h: that does not tell much about the toolkit used.. |
| 19:32.23 | lcuk | it lasted about 3 seconds |
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| 19:36.45 | RST38h | jott: means that they are likely to have something on their own |
| 19:36.53 | RST38h | jott: my guess - javascript-based |
| 19:37.28 | RST38h | "Google Chrome relies on Apple's WebKit software for rendering Web pages, he said" -- does WebKit belong to Apple now? |
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| 19:44.21 | andrewfblack | I need to find me a good portable IRC Client For Windows I hate using mibbit. |
| 19:44.47 | liri | pidgin for windows is nice |
| 19:45.49 | andrewfblack | I forgot it has IRC Client in it, Its already installed on my thumb drive lol |
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| 19:49.19 | liri | yep |
| 19:49.25 | liri | pidgin has like everything in it :) |
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| 19:56.19 | andrewfblack | can't get pidgin to connect to freenode.net |
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| 19:59.13 | RST38h | don't - it will suck anyway |
| 19:59.18 | RST38h | get xchat |
| 20:00.24 | andrewfblack | I need something I can run from a USB Stick since I can't install most applications at work |
| 20:00.55 | lcuk | makes a note to lock down usb on andrews computer tomorrow |
| 20:01.08 | lcuk | also notes "mibbit.com" is not a work related domain |
| 20:01.40 | andrewfblack | yeah I have access to anywhere on web just don't have admin writes to install |
| 20:01.55 | andrewfblack | some things install fine some don't |
| 20:02.19 | lcuk | tell me about it, i had a tough time installing the latest botnet on my work machine |
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| 20:03.16 | andrewfblack | the heck with it I'll just stick with mibbit |
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| 20:04.25 | qwerty12-N800 | just haxed my school computers, i install whatever |
| 20:04.43 | mavhc | mirc will run portably iirc |
| 20:05.20 | andrewfblack | Mirc will run but it heard it doesn't save your settings or anything that might not be write not sure |
| 20:05.29 | coffee | Hi. any gtk+ gurus here that aren't on #gkt+? is it possible somehow to left align text (and pixmap) on a toggle button? |
| 20:07.00 | lcuk | andrewfblack, run mirc in a writable environment, get the settings as you want them |
| 20:07.07 | lcuk | then transfer to usb? |
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| 20:11.04 | ToyKeeper | Yay, pidgin is still broken in the same way as it was 5 years ago... it can't grok multiple connections to the same server. |
| 20:11.08 | ToyKeeper | (as happens with dircproxy) |
| 20:11.33 | Jaffa | re |
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| 20:15.48 | Stskeeps | qwerty12-N800: was a bit more than sed but i think i made it now.. ugliest code of my life |
| 20:15.52 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:16.24 | qwerty12-N800 | Stskeeps: w00t, great :) |
| 20:16.36 | Stskeeps | updating installerdeb once i've tried to boot using the resulting boot menu items |
| 20:16.55 | qwerty12-N800 | cool, i want to install deblet again :) |
| 20:19.34 | Stskeeps | qwerty12-N800: odd question. wouldn't this bug probably also mean that there could be a situation where suddenly my indicated swap partition would change places? |
| 20:19.47 | Stskeeps | (and why did i just have a deja-vu about this?) |
| 20:20.39 | qwerty12-N800 | Stskeeps: no idea, sorry. i only use a swap file on the tablet |
| 20:21.16 | Stskeeps | k |
| 20:21.36 | Stskeeps | i guess linux would refuse to use it if it wasnt mkswap'ed |
| 20:21.43 | Stskeeps | else it could potentially trash partitions |
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| 20:23.51 | liri | is anybody using the gpe suite? |
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| 20:24.46 | timelyx | RST38h: webkit was always an apple product |
| 20:24.55 | timelyx | khtml was the older upstream |
| 20:25.13 | timelyx | RST38h: it's like saying microb uses Mozilla's Gecko |
| 20:25.16 | timelyx | which it does |
| 20:25.44 | timelyx | johnx: v8 would need to be ported to arm |
| 20:25.57 | RST38h | timelyx: yes, but what about konqueror codebase? |
| 20:26.00 | melmoth | use gpe calendar and contatcs |
| 20:26.21 | timelyx | RST38h: that's khtml last i checked |
| 20:26.48 | RST38h | timelyx: I seem to remember that Apple's Safari rendering engine is taken from konqueror |
| 20:27.03 | jott | well it's a matter of "respect" if you tell it's origin... |
| 20:27.06 | RST38h | timelyx: Is WebKit the same thing or something new? |
| 20:27.22 | jott | webkit is a fork of khtml with many changes |
| 20:27.25 | timelyx | webkit is the branding of apple's branch of khtml |
| 20:27.42 | timelyx | they did quite a lot of changes to khtml |
| 20:27.50 | RST38h | ah |
| 20:27.53 | timelyx | and expected they couldn't possibly upstream them all |
| 20:27.57 | RST38h | so it is no longer the original thing |
| 20:28.12 | RST38h | and apple can rightfully claim the ownership |
| 20:28.23 | timelyx | from day 0 they didn't expect it to be called khtml |
| 20:28.28 | jott | timelyx: mainly because apple did not collaborate in the development process.. :/ |
| 20:29.01 | timelyx | jott: apple like google works in secret |
| 20:29.06 | jott | yep. |
| 20:29.15 | timelyx | in fact, amusingly a number of the people who worked on safari and chrome |
| 20:29.15 | jott | well now webkit is open.. |
| 20:29.18 | Pebby | Anyone know if there's an easy way to set up scratchbox to allow chrooting? I'd like to compile a bunch of things, chroot, install them there, then rsync to my n810... making debian packages already feels unwieldy =/ |
| 20:29.18 | timelyx | used to work together on firefox |
| 20:29.34 | timelyx | dave hyatt, ben goodger, mike pinkerton |
| 20:29.55 | timelyx | Pebby: scratchboxes are chroots |
| 20:30.06 | timelyx | you can't really have another layer |
| 20:30.13 | Pebby | timelyx: I assumed as much, but I can't go in one deeper? |
| 20:30.59 | jott | Pebby: you can use scratchbox -t $DIR $COMMAND |
| 20:31.18 | Pebby | timelyx: Fair enough... I suppose I will just have to configure all these things I'm installing to install to some weird path then rsync to that? |
| 20:31.18 | jott | from your host env |
| 20:31.33 | timelyx | depends what you're really trying to do |
| 20:31.37 | Pebby | jott: sorry, I'm a big newbie with scratchbox - what's that do? |
| 20:31.58 | jott | Pebby: basically it's like chroot $DIR $COMMAND |
| 20:32.20 | jott | (not really, as $DIR is not set as root but as the dir to go to) |
| 20:32.26 | Pebby | timelyx: Well, I have several libraries I want to compile for the n810. They make tons and tons of files, and I'd like to have them all in one place so I can rsync them over to my n810 where I actually want to use them |
| 20:33.09 | Pebby | And building debian packages has been mostly frustrating to me... it seems like an unwieldy way to get my compiled stuff to the n810 too |
| 20:35.41 | andrewfblack | releasing first version of my newest theme tongiht |
| 20:35.43 | andrewfblack | Its an Xmen theme |
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| 20:39.10 | jott | Pebby: if you are just "porting" libraries for now it is *really* better to build debian packages. |
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| 20:43.02 | timelyx | ok, fwiw v8 is available for arm |
| 20:43.13 | timelyx | so in theory chrome would have some chance of working on linux-arm |
| 20:43.50 | jott | timelyx: well when we have some basic linux support at all :) |
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| 20:44.54 | Stskeeps | qwerty12-N800: installerdeb 1.2-7 has fix :) |
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| 20:45.01 | jott | would still be interesting to see how well v8 performs on arm. |
| 20:45.16 | qwerty12-N800 | Stskeeps: thanks :) |
| 20:45.28 | jott | http://code.google.com/p/v8/ .. |
| 20:46.08 | Pebby | jott: Okay, thank you for the suggestions. I think with some scripting I can set up a nice, updating thing... of course I'm porting something that's actively being updated by other people too ;) |
| 20:46.27 | Stskeeps | oh, funky, v8's primarily developed 10 meters from my office |
| 20:46.27 | ||cw | wait, google has their own browser? |
| 20:46.58 | Stskeeps | (recognizing some google employees) |
| 20:47.07 | jott | Pebby: btw i use -> alias sb='scratchbox -d "$(pwd | sed s/\\/scratchbox\\/users\\/$(whoami)//)"' |
| 20:47.55 | jott | so i can just prefix "sb make" when i am in the /scratchbox/user/$USER/home/$USER dir |
| 20:48.11 | Pebby | jott: nice, that's much easier than entering the environment |
| 20:48.15 | jott | Stskeeps: you work for google? |
| 20:48.37 | Stskeeps | jott: no, google has offices across the road from where i work at uni - IT cluster in town |
| 20:48.54 | jott | ah, k. |
| 20:49.33 | Pebby | jott: One thing I've also found is that I have to change my 'march' CFLAG from arm to armv5 when building some things under sbox... is that odd? |
| 20:50.14 | jott | actually it should work without it. but who knows what build system might fail :) |
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| 20:51.40 | Pebby | jott: Hehe, the only info on it I could find online (it fails on a very particular thing) is that the binary wouldn't work if maemo were running on something maemo does not run on ;) |
| 20:56.41 | Khertgan_again | i ve just tested chrome |
| 20:56.41 | Khertgan_again | seems to be a nice browser |
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| 21:03.10 | bmidgley | lardman: community meeting is now? |
| 21:04.09 | qwerty12-N800 | bmidgley: I think it's finished now |
| 21:04.27 | lardman | bmidgley: just finished I think |
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| 21:04.54 | guenther | yes, just finished |
| 21:04.58 | lardman | Someone's got a log though |
| 21:06.30 | bmidgley | lardman reminder said 21:00 UTC? |
| 21:06.49 | guenther | yes |
| 21:06.55 | bmidgley | lardman anyway, good to see you on the list, you've got my vote :) |
| 21:06.58 | guenther | It's 01:00 UTC by now. :) |
| 21:07.25 | guenther | bmidgley: Did the offset the wrong way round? ;) |
| 21:07.42 | guenther | err, no, wait |
| 21:07.45 | bmidgley | guenther, I used "TZ=UTC date" |
| 21:07.48 | guenther | 21:00 is not UTC |
| 21:07.54 | guenther | 19:00 UTC it started |
| 21:08.13 | guenther | oh, that reminder... On the community list by Dave? |
| 21:08.27 | bmidgley | ah, announcement by Dave was off |
| 21:08.30 | guenther | He silently assumed his local time when talking about 21:00 |
| 21:08.56 | bmidgley | I finally thought I would make one! heh |
| 21:09.19 | lardman | cheers bmidgley, I must talk to you about how to merge in DSP stuff to bluez |
| 21:10.29 | bmidgley | lardman it depends... how do you build it? |
| 21:10.46 | lardman | the arm-side stuff more than the dsp-side I was thinking |
| 21:10.56 | lardman | no rush though |
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| 21:11.10 | bmidgley | is it git hosted yet? |
| 21:11.20 | lardman | svn |
| 21:11.33 | lardman | on Garage, dsp-sbc |
| 21:11.39 | LinuxCode | 21 is utc |
| 21:11.44 | LinuxCode | 21:11 |
| 21:12.10 | LinuxCode | currently is BST/GMT+1 22:12 |
| 21:14.40 | bmidgley | lardman: you're still waiting on some details to route from the dsp, right? |
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| 21:23.13 | Pebby | sigh, still can't compile this sucker... error: selected processor does not support `pld [lr,#32]` - websearching says it has something to do with some ARM related things, but I can't figure out how to get around it (or remember how I got around it last time) =/ |
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| 21:26.15 | RST38h | you should select correct cpu architecture |
| 21:26.50 | lardman | bmidgley: how do you mean route? |
| 21:27.16 | lardman | bmidgley: the DSP task works fine, I'm not sure whether there's even a DSP-side driver for the BT hardware, assuming it's possible |
| 21:27.25 | RST38h | pld supported starting with arm5e |
| 21:28.36 | bmidgley | lardman: I saw your request for dsp programming details on the ask-nokia page |
| 21:28.44 | bmidgley | the question is still out there I guess |
| 21:29.02 | lardman | bmidgley: ah yes, that's for the EAP headers, which will allow output via the audio codec |
| 21:29.42 | Pebby | RST38h: export CFLAGS="-march=arm5e" && make still fails =( |
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| 21:29.43 | lardman | bmidgley: I'm cracking on with the DSP-based tremor and mad-based mp3 decoders now, and hope to be able to keep everything on the DSP OpenMAX-style |
| 21:30.01 | lardman | s/mad-based/mad-on-DSP |
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| 21:30.25 | derf | lardman: Want to tackle DSP-based CELT? |
| 21:30.35 | lardman | derf: not at the moment thanks! |
| 21:30.50 | derf | I think it already has code for a couple of DSP's. |
| 21:31.03 | derf | Not sure what would need to be modified to get it to run on the OMAP. |
| 21:31.10 | lardman | I'm happy to help, but don't want to have to go it alone |
| 21:31.21 | RST38h | Pebby: prolly need some other flags |
| 21:31.41 | lardman | I've got lots on at the moment, and it will just get pushed to the wayside like tremor has until now |
| 21:31.56 | derf | Well, we'll see if my LCA talk gets accepted... would be neat to show a demo of it running on the NIT. |
| 21:32.27 | lardman | at least with sbc I was motivated to get my headset working, I don't even use ogg, so not too motivated (except by the thought of OpenMAX goodness) |
| 21:33.08 | Pebby | RST38h: Any good way of figuring out what flags I need? Aside from asking here/somewhere repeatedly? ;) What sucks is I swear I had it working a while ago, then sbox crashed, heh |
| 21:33.12 | joshin_ | Can anyone recommend a webkit based browser for maemo? |
| 21:33.14 | lardman | derf: do you have a link to describe CELT? |
| 21:33.32 | derf | http://celt-codec.org/ |
| 21:33.51 | lardman | Pebby: what's that instruction do? |
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| 21:34.17 | crashanddie | Poor man's visualisation system: Take a jack-RCA cable, plug right RCA into TV audio input, left RCA into TV video input. Done |
| 21:34.40 | Pebby | lardman: Wish I could tell you... I'm just a very unknowledgeable person trying to compile someone else's code (which compiles fine on x86) |
| 21:35.35 | qwerty12-N800 | if it's x86 asm, wouldn't it need to be modified for arm asm? |
| 21:36.32 | lardman | -mcpu=arm1136j-s is the correct mcpu string for the N8x0 |
| 21:36.35 | derf | That's not x86-asm. |
| 21:36.44 | Pebby | it's not that, though, qwerty12-N800 |
| 21:36.52 | lardman | bear in mind that scratchbox can't execute some of the instructions which that produces though |
| 21:36.57 | qwerty12-N800 | Ah, ok, I misread. Thanks. |
| 21:37.16 | lardman | qwerty12-N800: no, I had the same thought |
| 21:37.46 | Pebby | lardman: adding that to cflags has no effect... augh, I can't believe I didn't document what I did to get this working last week. Stupid memory =P |
| 21:40.31 | Pebby | it definitely seems like it's something unsupported by arm5e and later, as lardman said, but I can't understand why it doesn't seem to be compiling for -march=arm5e (or the other arm5's i tried) |
| 21:40.39 | lardman | Pebby: no idea then, is PLD a real instruction on the ARM? |
| 21:40.49 | RST38h | PLD is a preload-data hint |
| 21:40.59 | lardman | ah ok |
| 21:41.01 | RST38h | I have no freaking idea why Pebby needs it, really... |
| 21:41.19 | RST38h | But ARM5e should support it just fine, as long as you provide right compile time options |
| 21:41.44 | RST38h | lemme quickly check the options available |
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| 21:41.56 | Pebby | Me neither, RST, but it certainly seems like it's missing some option I haven't discovered... don't really know where to read up to on the possible options =( |
| 21:42.47 | Pebby | lardman: from websearching, sure seems like it, just one not supported on early ARMs |
| 21:42.59 | RST38h | aha, you also want -mcpu= |
| 21:43.24 | ssvb | Pebby: that's 'armv5te' and not 'arm5e' |
| 21:43.38 | lardman | these should really be set already in the default toolchain though |
| 21:43.46 | Pebby | ssvb: tried that as well |
| 21:43.47 | lcuk | they are |
| 21:43.50 | lardman | hi ssvb |
| 21:44.01 | ssvb | hi lardman |
| 21:44.13 | Pebby | lardman: that's what I thought... I did a by-the-numbers install of sbox according to nokia's instructions |
| 21:44.32 | RST38h | -march=armv6j -mcpu=arm1136jfs |
| 21:44.34 | lcuk | the main non library part of my makefile is -O3 and it runs as quick as a big long specific version |
| 21:44.37 | RST38h | that's omap2 |
| 21:45.18 | ssvb | RST38: why are you keeping posting incorrect options? ;) |
| 21:45.32 | ssvb | just check 'man gcc', everything is there |
| 21:45.43 | RST38h | ssvb: I post what I find online |
| 21:45.50 | RST38h | -mcpu=arm1136j-s seems to be more correct |
| 21:45.55 | lardman | -mcpu=arm1136jfs might be -mcpu=arm1136jf-s depending on the version of the toolchain (GCC 3 vs 4) |
| 21:46.13 | Pebby | What's even more baffling is, upon starting sbox, I can't even figure out from where it's getting those settings (used to an /etc/make.conf on gentoo, for example) |
| 21:46.53 | lardman | Pebby: built into GCC |
| 21:46.53 | Pebby | lardman: the gcc included with the default nokia install seems to be 3.4 |
| 21:47.08 | timelyx | Pebby: you're trying to microoptimize? |
| 21:47.10 | timelyx | if so, why? |
| 21:47.10 | Pebby | lardman: Ah, so that gcc was made with all the 'correct' options? |
| 21:47.12 | lardman | Pebby: I can't remember which is which I'm afraid |
| 21:47.39 | Pebby | timelyx: No, I'm trying to merely compile a library |
| 21:47.50 | lardman | Pebby: yes, though the -mcpu is more generic, as qemu was not (and may still not) be able to execute some of the specific instructions for out processor |
| 21:48.01 | Pebby | timelyx: however, it will not compile by default |
| 21:48.04 | lardman | s/out/our |
| 21:48.12 | timelyx | Pebby: you need -O1 or something |
| 21:48.17 | Pebby | lardman: the question is, what's the right -mcpu ? |
| 21:48.19 | timelyx | that's the only real requirement |
| 21:48.25 | timelyx | w/o optimization, it'll fail |
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| 21:48.31 | RST38h | qemu is useless anyway |
| 21:48.34 | lardman | Pebby: try both and see which is not flagged as being rubbish |
| 21:48.35 | ssvb | lardman: you can try to upgrade cpu transparency package and use the most recent version of qemu |
| 21:48.36 | timelyx | (the toolchain ships w/ a very lame compiler) |
| 21:48.53 | lardman | ssvb: yep, not been an issue for me yet though |
| 21:48.53 | timelyx | Pebby: if all you want is something that builds, -O1 -g |
| 21:49.03 | timelyx | and don't do anything beyond that |
| 21:49.16 | RST38h | timelyx <-- cruel |
| 21:49.34 | RST38h | btw, GCC is not supposed to issue PLD, even with -O2 |
| 21:49.34 | timelyx | optimization is a fool's errand |
| 21:49.41 | timelyx | PLD? |
| 21:49.53 | RST38h | timelyx: He is having trouble with PLD instruction |
| 21:50.09 | RST38h | not supported by the default target cpu |
| 21:50.47 | bmidgley | lardman I see what you mean about the arm code changes to bluez |
| 21:50.49 | Pebby | timelyx: that would not let it compile, since it still thinks pld isn't supported by whatever ARM it thinks it has |
| 21:51.11 | bmidgley | are they in shape to push upstream? |
| 21:51.30 | lardman | bmidgley: not sure they are in shape :D |
| 21:51.49 | ssvb | Pebby: just make sure that '-mcpu=arm1136jf-s' option is feeded to gcc when compiling the relevant file and everything will be all right |
| 21:51.55 | lardman | bmidgley: it's a bit messy, not sure if that would be acceptable |
| 21:52.20 | Pebby | ssvb: ok, one moment... let me poke around a bit more then try that |
| 21:52.35 | bmidgley | lardman I can guarantee Marcel won't accept it, but we can start looking it over :) |
| 21:52.44 | bmidgley | he doesn't like anything on the first pass |
| 21:53.06 | lardman | bmidgley: I'm happy to maintain it outside, but would be interested to hear comments on how to switch between ARM vs DSP encoding, etc. |
| 21:53.22 | ssvb | RST38h: PLD might be emitted by the compiler if you use -fprefetch-loop-arrays optimization |
| 21:53.36 | ssvb | but PLD is useless on internet tablets |
| 21:53.45 | bmidgley | lardman is there any reason to prefer the arm codec if the dsp is present? |
| 21:53.50 | lardman | and also ideas about how to structure it better, rather than two chunks surrounded by #ifdef #else etc |
| 21:54.17 | lardman | bmidgley: it will encode audio and still allow video to be output on the Nokia tablets |
| 21:54.35 | lardman | bmidgley: there's apparently some sort of memory contention issue, certainly not CPU load related |
| 21:54.47 | bmidgley | ok |
| 21:54.51 | bmidgley | not a trivial decision then |
| 21:55.02 | lardman | in truth there may be no reason to do it on the DSP until the (mp3) decoder can also be placed there and pass the data over directly |
| 21:55.57 | lardman | that would/should provide even better CPU savings and hopefully avoid the video output problem, not sure how to tie into Bluez mind you, but we'll cross that bridge when we get to it, etc. |
| 21:56.21 | Jaffa | timelyx: btw, does TraceMonkey work on ARM; or am I misremembering and it does do native-code JIT? |
| 21:56.34 | Jaffa | s/does/doesn't/ |
| 21:56.41 | lardman | probably as a gstreamer/openmax element, /me needs to do more reading up on that |
| 21:56.57 | ssvb | bmidgley: DSP eats up 70MHz of ARM core performance due to frequency scaling, so it is not very helpful to offload a job that 70MHz ARM also could do |
| 21:57.05 | timelyx | sighs |
| 21:57.14 | timelyx | there's some stuff |
| 21:57.20 | timelyx | but basically it crashes instantly |
| 21:57.22 | timelyx | or something |
| 21:57.27 | lardman | ssvb: but the speeds can be decoupled, and the sbc encoder still runs at the lower DSP speed |
| 21:57.39 | Jaffa | timelyx: so, not to be expected in the next microb version ;-/ |
| 21:57.44 | lardman | yet video drops to <1fps |
| 21:59.02 | Pebby | ssvb: Sorry, I'm still a 'make' newbie.. I put the mcpu CFLAG in and it still definitely wouldn't build, but how do I make sure that 'make' is actually getting that, since I'm not sure how to compile just that file (throws a bunch of errors, etc.) |
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| 22:00.27 | ssvb | Pebby: look at the compiler output, see something like '-O2' or whatever other options, open makefile in your favourite editor, add -mcpu=arm1136jf-s to the set of optimization flags |
| 22:00.35 | lardman | CFLAGS="blah" make |
| 22:00.58 | ssvb | lardman: that will only work if makefile respects CFLAGS variable |
| 22:01.03 | lardman | yeah |
| 22:01.11 | ssvb | we can't completely rely on it |
| 22:01.13 | lardman | we had better also hope it's written in C ;) |
| 22:01.53 | Pebby | ssvb: you're my hero, thanks ;) |
| 22:02.06 | ssvb | :) |
| 22:02.07 | Pebby | The makefile just steps on the CFLAGS I try to set, it would appear? |
| 22:02.22 | crashanddie | btw, anyone have any info about Java on the NIT ? |
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| 22:03.56 | Pebby | I'll see if I can get the sucker to build... at least I learned something new about Makefiles =P |
| 22:05.10 | Pebby | Still complains about pld with -mcpu and/or -march, but it's a start ;) |
| 22:05.48 | lardman | check they were actually used in the gcc command |
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| 22:07.02 | Pebby | They're definitely not being used, and I inserted them into the only two places I could find those commands (O2) showing up |
| 22:07.09 | lardman | what is it with C and comments, how can I comment out a region which also contains comments? |
| 22:07.28 | lardman | Pebby: can you pastebin the Makefile? |
| 22:07.39 | Pebby | lardman: certainly, one minute |
| 22:07.57 | ssvb | lardman: I usually use '#if 0' at start and '#endif' at the end of block |
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| 22:08.08 | ssvb | they can be nested |
| 22:08.17 | lardman | ah, I see |
| 22:08.24 | lardman | thanks |
| 22:08.31 | ToyKeeper | Is there any way to turn off the row used for the space bar in the onscreen keyboard? |
| 22:08.58 | ToyKeeper | I'm trying to make a fitaly layout, and that row is completely unnecessary... uses space the regular alpha area should be using instead. |
| 22:08.58 | RST38h | http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fes.engadget.com%2F2008%2F09%2F02%2Fifa-2008-commodore-nos-muestra-su-ummd-8010-f-y-los-nuevos-conc%2F&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=es&tl=en |
| 22:09.03 | RST38h | Hehehehe |
| 22:09.15 | RST38h | How low has it fallen! |
| 22:10.16 | crashanddie | X-Fade, when the hell are you coming baaaaaack? We neeeeeeeeeeed uuuuu |
| 22:11.11 | RST38h | gotta make a human sacrifice |
| 22:11.46 | andre__ | crashanddie, september 8th :-) |
| 22:13.37 | Pebby | lardman: I'm happy to post the makefile, but there appear to be MANY makefiles, hehe... I'm assuming it's failing on one of the nested ones. Shouldn't the makefiles respect my settings in the configure script? |
| 22:14.03 | lardman | yes |
| 22:14.22 | lardman | assuming it's a standard configure script you should be able to do the following though: |
| 22:14.32 | lardman | CFLAGS="blah" ./configure |
| 22:14.41 | lardman | it has always worked for me at least ;) |
| 22:15.29 | Pebby | Ok, let me try that... I miss gentoo already, hehe |
| 22:15.35 | bmidgley | lardman, I suspect gstreamer is flexible enough |
| 22:15.55 | bmidgley | to tell it to transcode mp3 to sbc and have it use the linked dsp tasks |
| 22:15.58 | lardman | bmidgley: something to keep me busy then :) |
| 22:16.23 | lardman | ah, gstreamer can't keep it all on the DSP though, that's where OpenMAX comes in |
| 22:16.54 | bmidgley | I've read about openmax... seemed comparable to gst (superficially) |
| 22:17.18 | lardman | yeah, but they seem to coexist, appears to me to be GStreamer for DSPs and the like |
| 22:18.42 | Pebby | lardman: That appears to be working... it definitely got my CFLAGS when I force-fed it like that. Thank you! I wonder how to fix it on a global level, though |
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| 22:19.37 | lardman | that will propagate the change through all of the Makefiles as it regenerates them |
| 22:19.49 | RST38h | Umgh...VGBA release... |
| 22:21.12 | Pebby | lardman: Yeah, I can do that, I just mean for every time I run a configure script, I'm wondering why it doesn't like my export CFLAGS technique. Hmm... ah well, I'll poke around. Thank you for the help, and the others who helped too =) I have a nice shiny .deb now too |
| 22:21.33 | lardman | np |
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| 22:23.59 | GeneralAntilles | Howdy the review go? |
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| 22:27.28 | lardman | was in and out |
| 22:27.47 | lardman | but mainly out |
| 22:30.32 | lardman | ah, alloca presumably returns zeroed memory |
| 22:34.22 | jott | anyone actually knows a reason why dialogs under the maemo matchbox themes miss the close/[X] button? is this some weird ui spec thing? |
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| 22:46.18 | lardman | hmm, do you think it a bad sign when a pointer is returned such that its address is 1 ? |
| 22:46.38 | lardman | e.g. malloc returns an address of 1 |
| 22:46.56 | derf | You may have broken it. |
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| 22:47.24 | lardman | I wonder if that's its roundabout way of telling me it's out of memory? |
| 22:47.46 | derf | More likely you wrote out of bounds and clobbered the memory manager's internal structures. |
| 22:48.51 | lardman | I just did this: work=(ogg_uint32_t *)_ogg_malloc((s->used_entries*2-2)*sizeof(*work)); |
| 22:49.20 | derf | It's more about what went on _before_ the malloc call I'd be worried about. |
| 22:49.40 | lardman | would the effect be immediate? |
| 22:50.18 | derf | Could show up at any point... might require several more malloc/free calls to become apparent... who knows, really. |
| 22:50.47 | derf | Debugging memory corruption is hard. This is why x86 has valgrind. |
| 22:50.53 | lardman | fair enough, I'll look back through the call stack and see if I can spot anything suspicious |
| 22:51.02 | lardman | :( |
| 22:51.21 | derf | Are you just using the standard malloc? I thought you mentioned a custom replacement earlier. |
| 22:51.50 | lardman | nah, gone back to standard as the omap2420 has more memory than Monty was originally writing for |
| 22:52.00 | joshin | GeneralAntilles: Did you get your Beagle board yet? |
| 22:52.01 | lardman | but the standard may not be standard |
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| 22:52.36 | GeneralAntilles | joshin, yeah, a few days ago. |
| 22:52.49 | GeneralAntilles | Having serial issues, though, because I'm incompetent. ;) |
| 22:52.56 | joshin | Doh. |
| 22:52.59 | derf | You could try #defining _ogg_malloc to always allocate twice as much storage and see if it goes away. |
| 22:53.11 | GeneralAntilles | In need of a null modem cable at the moment. |
| 22:53.12 | derf | That would lend strong credence to the buffer overflow theory. |
| 22:53.24 | GeneralAntilles | May run out to Best Buy to get one if they have it. |
| 22:53.28 | lardman | ok, I'll give that a go tomorrow, thanks |
| 22:53.36 | derf | (or add some fixed amount, or both) |
| 22:54.08 | derf | And if you fill it with a known value, you might even find where it's happening. |
| 22:54.25 | lardman | yeah, not easy to read the memory either unfortunately |
| 22:54.29 | joshin | GeneralAntilles: RatShack would have better odds. Or you can just hack a spare serial cable. |
| 22:54.46 | GeneralAntilles | No spares. :( |
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| 23:06.58 | lardman | bmidgley: I've added you |
| 23:07.12 | lardman | derf: I'm remembering why I hate tremor ;) |
| 23:07.21 | lardman | anyway, time for bed, see you all tomorrow |
| 23:08.13 | LinuxCode | GeneralAntilles, here take mine.. |
| 23:08.20 | LinuxCode | hands over a null modem cable |
| 23:09.49 | bmidgley | lardman thx |
| 23:09.55 | bmidgley | doh |
| 23:11.42 | crashanddie | w00t at new mask :) |
| 23:17.41 | mavhc | can I get media player to recheck for files?, there's a load that don't exist anymore |
| 23:17.56 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, thanks for the blogging! :) |
| 23:20.58 | RST38h | "Holidaymakers' shock after fleeing gun horror to find porn film being made in foyer of their hotel" |
| 23:22.20 | glass | "oh the horror" |
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| 23:23.48 | RST38h | the suffering... |
| 23:24.55 | RST38h | "A seven-year-old girl with a rare illness is being kept alive by four doses of Viagra a day." |
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| 23:29.48 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, heh - you're welcome, needed to share my impressions :) |
| 23:32.13 | andre__ | oh, you even commented. |
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