| 00:00.02 | GAN8001 | Or maybe the Airport setup does that. |
| 00:00.10 | fUD | k - let me see |
| 00:00.13 | lcuk | i entered the wep key for mine in plaintext |
| 00:00.37 | GAN8001 | lcuk, you don't have a Mac |
| 00:00.41 | lcuk | but depending upon which setting you have it must be a 5 or 13 charater key |
| 00:00.48 | GAN8001 | Your input isn't relevant to this situation. :P |
| 00:00.59 | lcuk | we are talking about the tablet |
| 00:01.18 | GAN8001 | Nah, this is an OS X issue. |
| 00:01.20 | fUD | Hmm its tiger - I dont see that anywhere |
| 00:01.31 | lcuk | if theres a nonstandard router thats not doing things to spec take the faulty hardware back :) |
| 00:01.40 | fUD | :P |
| 00:01.55 | GAN8001 | It's a convenience thing. |
| 00:02.12 | GAN8001 | Apple just lets you enter a HEX key as a plaintext string. |
| 00:02.32 | GAN8001 | Easier to remember. |
| 00:02.35 | lcuk | gan, thats cos hex is a subset of plaintext :) |
| 00:03.16 | fUD | How annoying :) |
| 00:03.18 | GAN8001 | You may be missing what's happening |
| 00:03.29 | GAN8001 | You give OS X an easy-to-remember string (say, |
| 00:03.34 | GAN8001 | "password") |
| 00:03.42 | GAN8001 | It converts it to HEX for use internally |
| 00:04.00 | GAN8001 | Then on your other OS X machines you can enter the key as "password" |
| 00:04.06 | GAN8001 | But the tablet doesn't do the conversion |
| 00:05.09 | fUD | http://snippets.dzone.com/posts/show/5026 |
| 00:06.28 | fUD | That produces a key too long |
| 00:06.30 | fUD | *sigh* |
| 00:06.50 | lcuk | gan, thats standard - i enter keys on tablet in plaintext |
| 00:07.03 | lcuk | but i know it also has a hex counterpart |
| 00:07.57 | fUD | how can I get the plain text into hex I can type in.. |
| 00:09.06 | lcuk | i really dont think you need to, but try this page http://www.csgnetwork.com/wepgeneratorcalc.html |
| 00:10.06 | lcuk | http://forums.macrumors.com/archive/index.php/t-154097.html |
| 00:10.40 | fUD | Let me try |
| 00:12.15 | fUD | Hmmzzz |
| 00:12.24 | fUD | Keep getting invalid key length |
| 00:14.32 | lcuk | ok, do you know the original passphrase you entered on your router |
| 00:14.39 | fUD | I do |
| 00:14.52 | lcuk | how is the router configured |
| 00:15.01 | lcuk | open/shared etc |
| 00:15.02 | fUD | Its the macbook pro with internet sharing |
| 00:15.40 | lcuk | similar in principle to me with windows xp and internet sharing |
| 00:15.53 | fUD | Dang - I got a meeting |
| 00:15.54 | fUD | bbl |
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| 01:33.28 | brontide | fUD: IIRC the OSX dhcp server is not liked by the nokia dhcp client... I would search on that first |
| 01:34.59 | brontide | Khertan: you awake... was wondering why Py2deb has a changelog item when generate seems to have it's own that ignores the one set in the class? |
| 01:36.07 | brontide | Khertan: also added icon support for Py2deb all 10 lines (including comments) |
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| 02:18.53 | RST38h | back |
| 02:22.24 | robink | RST38h: Hello. |
| 02:23.52 | brontide | wiki's out again? |
| 02:25.49 | GAN8001 | Man, I fail so hard at serial stuff. . . . |
| 02:26.01 | GAN8001 | At least I'm getting output that's timed like boot output |
| 02:26.08 | GAN8001 | but it's all garbage characters. |
| 02:26.19 | GAN8001 | Working here, brontide, |
| 02:26.23 | GAN8001 | Reload. |
| 02:26.58 | brontide | shift reload finally got it |
| 02:27.09 | brontide | when is the new hardware coming? |
| 02:27.58 | Mikho | boom, ubuntu upgrade killed my os again |
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| 02:29.05 | Mikho | the installation paused to ask me if I want to save /etc/ntp or sth file, but there was no way to input the answer, as the computer was frozen |
| 02:30.32 | GAN8001 | brontide, Nokia does not announce future hardware plans. |
| 02:30.40 | GAN8001 | But I am playing with an OMAP3530. . . . |
| 02:30.52 | RST38h | but we already know it will be omap3 |
| 02:31.57 | GAN8001 | All of the @nokia commits to the linux-omap git kinda give it away. ;) |
| 02:34.20 | brontide | GAN8001: I think you misunderstood, when will the new server be in place already? |
| 02:34.26 | GAN8001 | Oh |
| 02:34.27 | GAN8001 | Ha |
| 02:34.37 | GAN8001 | Well, I was under the impression that it was going to be last Monday. |
| 02:34.43 | GAN8001 | But, uh, I guess that was incorrect. |
| 02:34.50 | GAN8001 | Soon, I suppose |
| 02:34.55 | GAN8001 | As the 100 days are almost up. |
| 02:35.04 | brontide | Does this make any sense I don't see an error https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/dialcentral_0.8.0-3/ |
| 02:35.30 | GAN8001 | Bad build-deps |
| 02:36.21 | brontide | same as always.... Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5) |
| 02:37.02 | GAN8001 | is not familiar enough with the autobuilder to be more accurate or specific. |
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| 02:38.07 | brontide | The only major change was adding the icon... I'll double check it's the right syntax |
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| 02:45.53 | GAN8001 | brontide, the other answer could, of course, just be autobuilder instability. |
| 02:48.47 | brontide | in that case do I just resubmit after incrementing the build |
| 02:49.03 | GAN8001 | Yeah, that'd be one option. |
| 02:53.06 | sin18 | does anyone know when libxpm4 would be available for diablo (i cannot install dosbox on nokia n800 without this library) |
| 02:55.37 | GAN8001 | These don't work? . . . http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1/free/libx/libxpm/ |
| 02:55.41 | Mek | it is available... (altough it might be in extras or extras-devel... not sure about that) |
| 02:58.49 | sin18 | i was looking up on http://pupnik.de/xkbd.html (dosbox link) but i 'll try from repository |
| 03:06.14 | sin18 | GAN8001 , Mek : even from the repository it gives the same error "unable to install libxpm4 incompatible application package" |
| 03:08.51 | GAN8001 | apt-get |
| 03:08.58 | GAN8001 | or dpkg -i |
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| 03:14.57 | rm_800 | anyone seen anything about replacing or expanding the internal memory in the n810? >_> |
| 03:15.26 | GAN8001 | goodluckwiththat |
| 03:15.42 | GAN8001 | You'd need equipment, skills and the source to a replacement chip |
| 03:15.44 | GAN8001 | notgonnahappen |
| 03:15.57 | rm_800 | lol |
| 03:16.25 | rm_800 | yeah, but some people are remarkably dedicated |
| 03:17.41 | brontide | last I checked those dedicated people are probably working on newer hardware :-P |
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| 03:24.08 | AFBN810 | hello |
| 03:24.50 | sin18 | GAN8001 : while Application Manager didnt allow me to install it ... dpkg -i worked ... thanks. |
| 03:29.54 | fUD | brontide: k |
| 03:30.39 | rm_800 | becomeroot is the new package right? |
| 03:31.09 | GAN8001 | No |
| 03:31.11 | GAN8001 | ~rootsh |
| 03:31.15 | infobot | from memory, rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/ |
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| 03:31.26 | GAN8001 | The one in Extras. |
| 03:32.09 | Mek | CMake Error at kdecore/kconfig_compiler/CMakeLists.txt:11 (kde4_add_executable): |
| 03:32.18 | Mek | damn, stupid middle-click :P |
| 03:35.19 | kulve | robink: not really. The metalayer crawler doesn't find oggs anymore :/ |
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| 03:44.48 | rm_800 | jott: yo? |
| 03:45.37 | Mek | bah, the latest qt packages in extras-devel still don't have ssl support :( |
| 03:46.28 | GAN8001 | andre____, "Maemo.org" ?! |
| 03:46.33 | GAN8001 | For shame! For shame! |
| 03:49.05 | GAN8001 | Also, andre____, why haven't you installed Advanced Backlight yet, hmmm? |
| 03:51.56 | rm_800 | lol ga |
| 03:52.14 | GAN8001 | See the guilt! https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=914&action=view |
| 03:55.13 | rm_800 | lol so many brightness and volume icons... like a whole 2. wtf :P |
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| 03:55.52 | brontide | grumble grumble grumble... is there any way to find out more information as to why the build failed |
| 03:56.02 | GAN8001 | Not really. :\ |
| 03:56.14 | GAN8001 | Um, I'd poke -developers, maybe |
| 03:56.24 | GAN8001 | Ed Bartosh is the man you're after |
| 03:56.32 | GAN8001 | Normally X-Fade's about to prod at it |
| 03:56.40 | GAN8001 | but he's not back until the 6th. |
| 04:01.11 | Mek | brontide: I think "dpkg-checkbuilddeps: error: syntax error in control file debian/control at line 43: line with unknown format (not field-colon-value)" is your problem... |
| 04:04.29 | brontide | Mek: thanks! |
| 04:04.35 | brontide | .me goes lookin |
| 04:07.26 | brontide | Hmmm... there is no line 43, and the previous block is the icon... which according to the wiki is formatted correctly.... |
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| 04:08.21 | moontiger | brontide, take out the icon and try again :) |
| 04:08.21 | Mek | I think there is a trailing space on line 43 |
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| 04:09.41 | robink | kulve: Even with the lightmediascanner-ogg module installed? |
| 04:09.48 | Mek | (and removing that trailing space makes dpkg-checkbuilddeps no longer complain) |
| 04:10.10 | brontide | [0:-1] to the rescue |
| 04:10.19 | robink | kulve: It's missing from diablo-extras. |
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| 04:11.10 | kulve | robink: metalayercrawler and lightmediascanner-ogg are two separate things |
| 04:11.40 | kulve | and lightmediascanner-ogg is provided by the canola team, not me.. |
| 04:11.41 | robink | kulve: Oh! I didn't even know about metacrawler. |
| 04:11.51 | kulve | lightmediascanner is used only by canola |
| 04:12.00 | robink | kulve: Gotcha. |
| 04:12.44 | robink | Well, I guess I can wait for support in Diablo-extras. |
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| 04:13.12 | kulve | are you using canola or the built-in player? |
| 04:13.53 | robink | kulve: Builtin, I believe (I thought that was Canola) |
| 04:14.50 | kulve | http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola/ |
| 04:14.57 | kulve | there's screenshot about canola |
| 04:15.09 | kulve | ja I don't know how to get oggs played with the built-in player |
| 04:15.17 | kulve | s,ja,and, |
| 04:18.12 | robink | I can play oggs, just not index them. |
| 04:18.50 | brontide | needs sleep... made the change and forgot to save it |
| 04:18.55 | kulve | yeah, that's the problem. In chinook tha indexing worked, but not in diablo anymore |
| 04:18.55 | brontide | doh |
| 04:24.09 | brontide | All hail Mek |
| 04:24.50 | sin18 | what is the difference between ruby1.8 and ruby1.8-maemo and where i can find the latter ? it doesnt seem to be in repository |
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| 04:28.52 | robink | Canola2 doesn't seem to index Ogg files. |
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| 04:33.19 | robink | I guess I have to wait for lightmediascanner-ogg support in Diablo again... |
| 04:34.11 | robink | Or does Canola2 use metacrawler? |
| 04:35.25 | robink | Sorry, metalayercrawler. |
| 04:37.31 | robink | Looks like lightmediascanner... |
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| 05:53.05 | XTL | emma: I think in theory, yes. Can't recall if there was a project for that |
| 05:53.40 | XTL | There's the same problems that any non-Nokia port would have, of course. |
| 05:53.47 | emma | but is that ubuntu mid not the same type of thing as maemo? |
| 05:54.09 | XTL | Not really. But of course in some sense it kind of is. |
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| 06:02.54 | GAN800 | Clutter is accelerated. |
| 06:03.13 | GAN800 | They all use Hildon. |
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| 06:05.02 | rm_you | GAN800: yes, yes, what? |
| 06:12.22 | GAN800 | Huh? |
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| 06:22.30 | eichi | is there a way to sync a folder over bluetooth with maemo? gsync doenst accept this kind of connection |
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| 06:44.05 | Stskeeps | emma: ubuntu can run on n800 but the armel port isn't complete so it's not that fun to play with |
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| 06:47.25 | emma | what's armel? |
| 06:47.33 | emma | is that the onscreen keyboard? |
| 06:47.46 | timelyx | the debian name for the cpu + abi used by nokia tablets since 2006 |
| 06:48.08 | timelyx | but you could probably read about it in wikipedia |
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| 09:05.06 | Italodance | :D |
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| 09:18.12 | LuCk1 | hi all, does any one know a usb/bluetooth UMTS Devices for the N810? |
| 09:20.21 | LuCk1 | i did found this devices: http://www.naviman24.de/E-PlusBASE-UMTS-USB-Stick-E169__i_010B-PE-SM.html but dont know who it works with maeomo |
| 09:20.40 | LuCk1 | s/maeomo/maemo/ |
| 09:23.20 | aquatix | plays it safe and just hooks up his phone with his n810 over bluetooth |
| 09:24.32 | crashanddie | LuCk1, I never heard of any device that worked, never looked at those devices though. But do a background check first, does it work on Linux ? If it does, there might be a way to implement it (especially if it runs on Debian :D) |
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| 09:29.04 | LuCk1 | crashanddie: i did found a german blog post which says it works on xandroas(debian) :-) http://www.einfach-eee.de/tutorials/linux/umts-mit-usb-modem-von-base-e-plus/ |
| 09:30.37 | LuCk1 | aquatix: are there big umts performance differences between the different devices? |
| 09:31.08 | qwerty12 | crashanddie: hey, the osso-xterm code has code that calls the browser with a url internally without a script. just thought it would be useful :) |
| 09:31.18 | qwerty12 | using dbus |
| 09:31.54 | crashanddie | oh, does it? |
| 09:32.14 | crashanddie | thanks Q, I'll look into it |
| 09:32.19 | qwerty12 | np :) |
| 09:32.35 | qwerty12 | was looking at the code to bring back some functions they removed >.< |
| 09:33.04 | yacoob | korgoth, you need to change LC_CTIME for that. |
| 09:33.27 | yacoob | korgoth, that is, change it in one of the local files, no UI control for that. |
| 09:34.22 | yacoob | bleh, LC_TIME of course |
| 09:35.32 | korgoth | tnx yacoob, ill give it a try :-) |
| 09:35.35 | yacoob | and the file is /etc/osso-af-init/locale |
| 09:36.02 | yacoob | "suggested" value is LC_TIME=fi_FI - that also affects date settings. |
| 09:36.10 | yacoob | but you might want to experiment with that |
| 09:36.33 | yacoob | http://www.vinc17.org/maemo/index.en.html has a nice idea how to choose the best |
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| 11:38.34 | Italodance | some knows cool themes for os2008? |
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| 11:41.29 | eichi | can i use a external SD card, which is longer then a normal one, without closeing the slot? |
| 11:41.38 | eichi | to "fake" the closed slot |
| 11:42.05 | aquatix | not sure, i think closing the slot triggers an event |
| 11:42.54 | eichi | yes it does, but you can trigger things mechanicaly or manuel to kernel like "echo "1" /proc/what/ever |
| 11:43.06 | eichi | > |
| 11:43.26 | qwerty12_N800 | yeah. you could modify the ke-recv source to not listen to the slot closed event |
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| 11:44.19 | lcuk | or shove a matchstick in so it still gets it |
| 11:45.33 | lcuk | crashanddie, i replaced my menus :) |
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| 11:56.04 | Mikho | would anyone have any idea where to start looking for bug when my program aborts with malloc memory corruption upon performing: _eventbuffer = new EventBuffer(); |
| 11:56.31 | qwerty12_N800 | Is prompt a command that is internal to bash? |
| 11:56.39 | Mikho | it doesn't even get to the constructor... |
| 11:58.31 | lcuk | mikho, generally malloc fails cos it has no memory |
| 11:58.39 | lcuk | check you have enough ram to do what you wanna do |
| 11:59.17 | Mikho | shouldnt it throw an exception or something? |
| 12:00.10 | lcuk | i dunno, what does the code do - and is it using c syntax malloc internally to the constructor? |
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| 12:00.33 | lcuk | check the code inside the constructor(s) and see which are doing what |
| 12:00.40 | Mikho | oh... it got fixed when i did a make clean before compiling |
| 12:00.50 | Mikho | I wonder what the problem was |
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| 12:02.09 | lcuk | you changed things in different source files and the size of the structs changed |
| 12:02.19 | lcuk | your makerules arent adapting to changes in headers |
| 12:02.33 | Mikho | so, why didnt it detect the change and recompile? |
| 12:02.40 | Mikho | it has adapted so far |
| 12:02.46 | lcuk | (though its more finicky to setup like that, for small projects if you change the size of memory structures do a make clean |
| 12:03.12 | Mikho | I wonder if it just compares file sizes when searching for changes... |
| 12:03.27 | lcuk | i dont know your makefile layout, but most just check for the source file related to the .o file, but thats not containing all places where that data is used |
| 12:03.39 | Mikho | hmm |
| 12:03.41 | lcuk | no, its date based usually |
| 12:03.56 | Mikho | this is somewhat weird |
| 12:04.21 | lcuk | you can build your makefile so that changes in a header file can cause recompilation of all related source files |
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| 12:04.41 | lcuk | but its not as simple to do because you need to know the dependency chain |
| 12:04.55 | Mikho | I'm using autotools, and usually it compiles nearly everything again when I change the header files |
| 12:05.21 | Mikho | hmm... how does it find out the dependencies? |
| 12:05.24 | lcuk | then go and look at your make rules |
| 12:05.54 | lcuk | it doesnt automatically, there might be a command to find it, but i dont see it as worth it for most projects |
| 12:06.04 | Mikho | I see |
| 12:06.21 | lcuk | ive just got into the habit of doing a make clean when i change the members of a structure |
| 12:06.36 | Mikho | oh well, it works for now. I'll just have to remember to make clean whenever I get weird errors |
| 12:06.47 | lcuk | heh yer |
| 12:06.48 | Mikho | thanks for advice |
| 12:07.10 | lcuk | np |
| 12:08.13 | crashanddie | lcuk, just got called up, they're arranging an interview with project lead in London this week, if I pass this one, I have an interview with company hot-shot next week |
| 12:08.32 | lcuk | \o/ w0000tness |
| 12:09.09 | lcuk | dont tell him about your cheese fascination |
| 12:09.13 | lcuk | you dont want to put them off |
| 12:10.08 | crashanddie | "Why didn't you get the job" "I like sausages" "Well, that's not a problem, I love sausages too" "Oh really, do you wanna come by and have a look at my collection?" |
| 12:10.21 | lcuk | heh lol |
| 12:10.32 | lcuk | have you seen my shineny menus yet? |
| 12:10.39 | crashanddie | nay |
| 12:10.43 | lcuk | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=T7SViwZwqoc |
| 12:10.48 | crashanddie | haha |
| 12:11.17 | crashanddie | oh wow |
| 12:11.35 | crashanddie | oh you cock, I love it |
| 12:12.11 | lcuk | heheh ;) now, you see the tiny nobble on the top right of each menu item? |
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| 12:13.11 | crashanddie | yeh |
| 12:13.59 | lcuk | well that opens up the sketch editor :) set to context for the specific menu item |
| 12:14.11 | crashanddie | ooooh |
| 12:14.15 | crashanddie | nice |
| 12:16.27 | lcuk | yer, im starting to feel a bit more confident about the tiles and how they need to be used - but now things ive been planning are certainly coming into place |
| 12:17.28 | crashanddie | good |
| 12:18.07 | aquatix | <3 Test Area |
| 12:18.24 | lcuk | heh aquatix :) it changes daily |
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| 12:18.45 | lcuk | but i wont say all the things that have been in there ;) |
| 12:19.15 | aquatix | :) |
| 12:19.29 | aquatix | well, i love that dragging-around of images in that movie |
| 12:19.53 | aquatix | lcuk: can i download a new version somewhere? |
| 12:19.56 | lcuk | it annoyed me because theres about 5 images which are massive (sat images) |
| 12:20.02 | aquatix | ah |
| 12:20.19 | lcuk | no sorry aquatix you will have to wait |
| 12:20.24 | yacoob | lcuk, is that a demo of anything specific, or just interface ideas? |
| 12:20.29 | crashanddie | "And you will have to talk to people: clean up your language; let's talk about perimeter defence. Don't use any IT language. At all. The word firewall becomes a swearword. *I know you hate these soul-less bastards, they don't like you very much either*" |
| 12:20.29 | aquatix | lcuk: kk |
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| 12:20.51 | aquatix | crashanddie: ? :) |
| 12:20.58 | yacoob | if it's the latter, I have an idea of a feature. "Lassoing" few items might be useful. |
| 12:21.12 | aquatix | lcuk: just wondering whether i could mess about with your eyecandy app :) |
| 12:21.25 | lcuk | yacoob, ive had to start from scratch with things, but now i have a fast book reader and the core bits for building an interface i can finally build a file selection/listview thingy and actually get a proper book reader out of the way |
| 12:22.53 | jott | lcuk: in the end i see you writing your own books, so you have something to read :> |
| 12:22.59 | lcuk | yacoob, anything is quite possible with it - the physics thing will most likely end up as a dynamic tagcloud for instance |
| 12:23.10 | lcuk | nahhh jott |
| 12:23.14 | crashanddie | lcuk, TRAITOR |
| 12:23.19 | crashanddie | tagcloud is my thing |
| 12:23.23 | crashanddie | you don't touch it, bitch |
| 12:23.26 | crashanddie | :D |
| 12:23.44 | lcuk | physics view is already in the existing released version :) |
| 12:23.51 | lcuk | it just did it for sketches |
| 12:23.59 | lcuk | and its not in the youtube video |
| 12:24.21 | lcuk | and crashanddie the tags im talking about will be for localised content |
| 12:24.31 | lcuk | not xml stuff from a website :P |
| 12:24.33 | crashanddie | lcuk, don't worry, I'm just kidding :) |
| 12:24.37 | lcuk | unless of course its from liqserver... |
| 12:25.08 | crashanddie | lcuk, I might have a small module that creates a list of tags based on recurrent words in .txt files :P |
| 12:25.11 | lcuk | . o O ( today maemo, tomorrow, the world! ) |
| 12:25.30 | jott | i'm still waiting for the announcement of liqbacon. |
| 12:25.59 | lcuk | crash, ive got alist tree which does something out-fudging-standing which you lot havent seen yet (cos i couldnt build a ui for it) |
| 12:26.04 | lcuk | :D:D:D liqbacon |
| 12:26.20 | lcuk | puts it in |
| 12:26.46 | crashanddie | actually, I'm pretty sure I could build an electronic device to cook bacon |
| 12:26.51 | yacoob | *keyword spotted* bacon? where? |
| 12:27.00 | lcuk | what should it do? be like the "i am rich" but show a rasher and call it "i am hungry" |
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| 12:27.24 | crashanddie | this is actually a pretty awesome idea guys |
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| 12:27.40 | lcuk | :D |
| 12:27.50 | lcuk | best bacon source>>>> http://www.reddit.com/r/bacon |
| 12:27.55 | yacoob | have device emit a small radius but strong EMP pulse. Boils water, cooks bacon. |
| 12:28.04 | crashanddie | thermal camera, electric heater, and then build some mechanical thing to turn it over |
| 12:28.04 | lcuk | we had some lovely thick cut bacon yesterday |
| 12:28.12 | jott | lcuk: something like flashing "bring me bacon" "i am hungry" so you could use it in a restaurant. |
| 12:28.24 | jott | just hold up your tablet and get some bacon then ;) |
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| 12:28.43 | lcuk | :D heh jott, we could use it in berlin :D |
| 12:28.46 | crashanddie | and have a button "Yes sir" on it |
| 12:28.50 | lcuk | excellent ill get on with that tonight ;) |
| 12:29.01 | crashanddie | if no one hits the button for 30s, start playing the sound of a pig |
| 12:29.19 | lcuk | jott, do you think the projector can project the smell of cooking bacon? |
| 12:29.35 | crashanddie | I'm leaving now |
| 12:29.42 | jott | lcuk: we might have to cheat a bit and bring some real bacon with us ;> |
| 12:29.49 | crashanddie | I'm getting depressed each time I hear the word berlin these days |
| 12:29.51 | lcuk | actually, wheres lardman, he normally pings with his bacon keyword |
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| 12:30.09 | crashanddie | "lard" is a synonym for bacon, right ? |
| 12:30.10 | jott | lcuk: probably already gone out to get some bacon ;) |
| 12:30.19 | lcuk | customs: "excuse me sir, have you got any weapons, bombs, or bacon?" |
| 12:30.47 | lcuk | im gonna go and have a cig (no, im not making smoked bacon) |
| 12:30.55 | lcuk | ill see you lot later on :) |
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| 13:29.13 | Italodance | who's Michael Arrington ? |
| 13:29.17 | Italodance | http://www.tablet-guru.com/2008/07/21/michael-arrington-wants-an-internet-tablet/ |
| 13:32.29 | aquatix | heh |
| 13:34.04 | Italodance | ? |
| 13:35.31 | aquatix | Italodance: funny story |
| 13:35.51 | Italodance | plz tell me? :) ? |
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| 13:36.08 | aquatix | Italodance: quite interesting that those people all yell `that's a cool idea', but don't know about the NIT's |
| 13:36.16 | aquatix | well, that link you posted |
| 13:36.40 | Italodance | hehe |
| 13:36.51 | Italodance | btw is there a screenshot for NuvoClear2 theme? |
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| 13:38.32 | Italodance | IT hasn't no more theme :( |
| 13:41.46 | aquatix | Italodance: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=166480&postcount=401 ? |
| 13:42.19 | GAN800 | lcuk, fyi, the door close event is magnetic, so a matchstick wont do anything. |
| 13:42.57 | Italodance | tnx |
| 13:44.37 | aquatix | should create a nice wallpaper |
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| 13:50.49 | MangoFusion | lack of contrast between the icons and the wallpaper though |
| 13:53.41 | aquatix | MangoFusion: myeah, but that depends on the wallpaper |
| 13:54.09 | aquatix | but the icons in the top row lack contrast indeed |
| 13:54.17 | aquatix | default theme is better in that regard |
| 13:54.52 | RST38h | aquatix: What city is it? |
| 13:55.02 | aquatix | RST38h: the link says monaco |
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| 13:55.23 | aquatix | RST38h: i only found this post with google myself, so i don't know any details either :) |
| 13:56.17 | RST38h | ah |
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| 13:58.39 | RST38h | ...a recent move in the UK has council's relying on info from "Citizen Snoopers" to report the transgressions of their neighbors... |
| 13:58.41 | RST38h | lovely |
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| 13:59.33 | RST38h | why is UK so preoccupied with surveillance anyway? too much crime? |
| 13:59.48 | GAN800 | Because the UK sucks ass. :P |
| 14:00.35 | RST38h | well, that's granted, but really, from the common sense point of view? |
| 14:01.15 | GAN800 | Same reason the US is obssessed with its security theater? |
| 14:01.26 | GAN800 | Most people are just plain stupid. |
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| 14:05.35 | RST38h | no,no, I can tell with 100% precision why us is obsessed with security theater |
| 14:05.43 | florian | RST38h: heh... this sounds like a historic news from the GDR ;) |
| 14:05.59 | Veggen | RST38h: UK is obsessed because they want to be good buddies with US? |
| 14:06.13 | RST38h | That's because the whole hierarchy of officials have to report up the chain what they are doing to "insure security of the homeland" |
| 14:06.36 | RST38h | And if they don't report, they get their asses whipped. It is exactly the same as in old good USSR |
| 14:06.38 | aquatix | . o O {Wasn't that done in the USSR too?} |
| 14:06.46 | aquatix | lol |
| 14:07.03 | aquatix | RST38h: i was typing too slowly :) |
| 14:07.09 | Veggen | In a perverted sense, this actually helps on security. |
| 14:07.17 | RST38h | aquatix: That is exactly why I recognize it |
| 14:07.29 | Veggen | Because as long as people stay frightened, the terrorists doesn't have to actually do anything. |
| 14:07.31 | aquatix | Veggen: yeah, but i don't think it helps society in general |
| 14:07.38 | aquatix | Veggen: heh, yeah |
| 14:07.46 | Veggen | They just have to show that they still are willing to do it. |
| 14:07.50 | aquatix | terrorise your own country, put the terrorists out of a job |
| 14:08.05 | RST38h | Veggen: It does not, really - does not target real problems and screws with people's brains indirectly leading to panic |
| 14:08.43 | RST38h | But with UK surveillance I do not understand at all. It does not seem to be related to terrorism threat. It does not seem to be made on US' request. |
| 14:08.46 | Veggen | RST38h: well, yes. But it makes real terrorism unnecessary :) |
| 14:09.07 | RST38h | It probably does not give those idiots in the office much to report up, because it is just more of the same thing |
| 14:09.41 | Veggen | RST38h: well...maybe the officials are out of "good measures" to improve security, but have to show they are doing *something*? |
| 14:10.16 | RST38h | Veggen: Hey, security or not, absolutely nothing beats unplanned demolition of a few skyscrapers in the middle of a workday |
| 14:10.49 | RST38h | Veggen: Yes, but they are doing the same thing - you can't successfully report doing the same thing every months |
| 14:11.10 | RST38h | Veggen: 'cause your bosses will consider it "lack of progress" |
| 14:11.12 | Veggen | RST38h: well. Face it, the real goal of terrorists is not to kill everyone. it's to make everyone afraid that they're gonna get killed. |
| 14:11.22 | aquatix | yeah |
| 14:11.31 | RST38h | Veggen: Stupid terrorists |
| 14:11.52 | RST38h | They do not yet understand the beauty of the KILL ALL PEOPLE idea! =) |
| 14:12.03 | aquatix | not all |
| 14:12.06 | aquatix | kill most |
| 14:12.11 | Veggen | Well. I happen to think that the war on terrorism in its current form can *never* be won. |
| 14:12.12 | aquatix | hm |
| 14:12.18 | RST38h | killing most is segregation. |
| 14:12.22 | aquatix | but kill all is more beautiful indeed |
| 14:12.26 | aquatix | back to scratch |
| 14:12.29 | Veggen | The only way to win it, is to take away their recruitment. |
| 14:12.37 | RST38h | Veggen: There is no war on terorirms |
| 14:12.48 | aquatix | `There is no war' |
| 14:12.49 | RST38h | Veggen: it is an oxymoron |
| 14:12.54 | Veggen | RST38h: of course. |
| 14:12.55 | RST38h | Oh, there is plenty of wars |
| 14:12.56 | aquatix | looks at his spoon |
| 14:13.32 | Veggen | And how to take away recruitment? Give people an alternative to being terrorists. |
| 14:14.02 | RST38h | Veggen: just kill off more people. |
| 14:14.05 | aquatix | give them ticking handgrenades? |
| 14:14.29 | Veggen | None of this will help. but you already know that. |
| 14:14.30 | RST38h | Actually, you want to give recruiters an alternative |
| 14:14.38 | RST38h | Not the recruited |
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| 14:14.51 | Veggen | What *would* help, is if Israel would stop already to build more settlements, for example. |
| 14:15.33 | Veggen | Yes, I do sympathize with israelians that just want peace too, but they can not expect it before they stop provoking the arab world. |
| 14:15.42 | Veggen | And Israel *is* a large part of it. |
| 14:15.52 | GAN800 | woo, Quim's back! |
| 14:15.57 | RST38h | Believe me, based on Chechen war, building less settlements WOULD NOT help |
| 14:16.35 | Veggen | RST38h: Currently, I think it would. But alas, I haven't studied politics. |
| 14:16.40 | RST38h | 'cause it doesn't do anything to reduce the pool of jobless, angsty, palestinian youth |
| 14:16.40 | GAN800 | dneary, too! |
| 14:16.55 | Veggen | RST38h: well, it's a good first step. |
| 14:17.39 | RST38h | Now, placing these guys into militarized units and shipping them to some far away country to battle whatever other freaks are there...it would do the job |
| 14:18.11 | RST38h | Alternatively, you can divide them into two camps, arm both, and let them kill each other. |
| 14:18.28 | RST38h | That is the British way |
| 14:19.00 | RST38h | *or* you can arm the baddest ones and let them kill the rest, while the rest will become guerillas (for a while, before extermination) |
| 14:19.04 | RST38h | That is the Russian way |
| 14:20.03 | GAN800 | lardman, you gonna send in your nomination? |
| 14:20.33 | lardman | GAN800: ? |
| 14:20.34 | Veggen | RST38h: Well. This became too much politics. But the only way to stop it in the long run in an acceptable way, *is* to take away motivation to be recruited as terrorists, and jobs, ecomony, less settlements etc. are all part of that. |
| 14:20.45 | lardman | GAN800: Community council you mean? |
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| 14:20.51 | GAN800 | Yes |
| 14:21.07 | GAN800 | Running out of time and we don't have many nominations. . . . |
| 14:21.15 | lardman | yeah, I've been busy though, not sure that's quite what would be needed |
| 14:21.50 | GAN800 | We've got an electionless council right now. :/ http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Community_Council/Candidate_declarations |
| 14:21.59 | riot | say, is the security-code application opensource? Because the one i have here in chinook.. um.. sucks major in several points |
| 14:22.20 | sp3000 | GAN800, that's optimal, right? :) |
| 14:22.43 | GAN800 | sp3000, not if my picks aren't all on that list. :D |
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| 14:24.09 | lardman | when's the election anyway? |
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| 14:24.24 | GAN800 | 2 days. . . . |
| 14:24.32 | jeward | Until? |
| 14:24.33 | lardman | has been somewhat preoccupied scouting out wedding venues |
| 14:24.37 | GAN800 | Nominations close in about 36 hours. |
| 14:24.41 | lardman | ok |
| 14:24.42 | jeward | Oh. |
| 14:24.57 | jeward | Has anyone got a way to read usenet news yet? |
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| 14:25.15 | aquatix | lardman: oh noes, you're going to join *that* group? :) |
| 14:25.30 | lardman | aquatix: yep :) |
| 14:25.31 | inz | jeward, I once compiled pan for maemo, but it was totally unusable |
| 14:25.32 | aquatix | gives up lardman |
| 14:25.41 | GAN800 | Busy indeed. . . . :p |
| 14:25.41 | aquatix | lardman: well, can't blame ya ;) |
| 14:25.46 | jeward | inz: I've heard that. |
| 14:25.50 | RST38h | Veggen: Not gonna happen, alas |
| 14:25.58 | lardman | well, once I've done that I should have some free time again |
| 14:26.03 | jeward | inz: I don't evencare about offline ability. |
| 14:26.16 | jeward | inz: Do you know how to read news with claws? |
| 14:26.24 | inz | jeward, nope, sorry |
| 14:26.40 | RST38h | lardman: Once you join *that* group, you will not have any free time |
| 14:26.43 | sp3000 | sounds like cat territory |
| 14:26.53 | lardman | RST38h: lol |
| 14:27.34 | Veggen | RST38h: unfortunately, I'm afraid you're right, thus the world has no chance to create peace in the middle east. |
| 14:27.42 | aquatix | jeward: just add a news server as news account? |
| 14:28.04 | jeward | aquatix: Let me try that, one sec. |
| 14:29.28 | Veggen | because it's quite linked, all of this. And it's not at all difficult for terrorist groups to recruit people who have no life to speak of to lose anyways. |
| 14:30.58 | aquatix | jeward: otherwise, you might want to check Pan: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemo-pan |
| 14:31.03 | aquatix | crap |
| 14:31.08 | aquatix | jeward: disregard that |
| 14:31.16 | aquatix | that's not the pan i thought it was ;) |
| 14:31.17 | jeward | aquatix: I already tried that. :) |
| 14:31.26 | aquatix | ah, k |
| 14:32.12 | jeward | aquatix: I can'r figure out how to add an account other than pop3. |
| 14:32.29 | aquatix | jeward: sec, let me get my tablet |
| 14:32.32 | jeward | aquatix: The add account dialogue is... not useful. |
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| 14:33.38 | aquatix | jeward: click the Basic item there |
| 14:33.55 | aquatix | jeward: then choose News (nntp) for Protocol |
| 14:34.06 | jeward | Oh, okay, thanks! |
| 14:34.12 | timeless | !seen andre |
| 14:34.12 | aquatix | jeward: that dialogue is a tad weird, but the items are selectable :) |
| 14:34.22 | timeless | could someone here please help me? |
| 14:34.24 | aquatix | if you know that, you can config everythnig |
| 14:34.28 | GAN800 | ~seen andre____ |
| 14:34.40 | infobot | andre____ <n=andre@f053154208.adsl.alicedsl.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 9d 10h 37m 35s ago, saying: 'w'. |
| 14:34.40 | timeless | gan: bug 3590, c2 |
| 14:34.43 | timeless | i don't speak commenter's language |
| 14:34.53 | timeless | is it possible to translate that into English? |
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| 14:35.11 | aquatix | timeless: is it german? |
| 14:35.13 | aquatix | looks |
| 14:35.25 | timeless | i think it's chinese |
| 14:35.27 | aquatix | eh |
| 14:35.35 | aquatix | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3590 right? |
| 14:35.36 | GAN800 | lol |
| 14:35.39 | timeless | yes |
| 14:35.47 | aquatix | only sees english comments |
| 14:35.50 | timeless | aquatix: be careful, half the time i'm asking for help, there's a trap |
| 14:35.55 | timeless | this is one of those cases |
| 14:36.04 | timeless | c1 and c2 are *not* English |
| 14:36.07 | GAN800 | @plenware is hilarious. I wonder if those guys are getting paid for that. |
| 14:36.08 | aquatix | a |
| 14:36.10 | aquatix | ah |
| 14:36.36 | aquatix | timeless: just read the file and close it, duh ;) |
| 14:36.39 | timeless | (the other half of the time, my questions really are as simple to answer as they seem) |
| 14:36.46 | timeless | aquatix: what file? |
| 14:36.56 | andre__ | err. timeless? i'm around it seems :-P |
| 14:36.58 | aquatix | a file |
| 14:37.38 | GAN800 | andre__, "Maemo.org"?! |
| 14:37.54 | aquatix | timeless: maybe they mean that you should close file handles after using them? |
| 14:37.57 | andre__ | GAN800, context! we need context! :-P |
| 14:38.01 | jeward | aquatix: Got it configured... any idea how o subscribe to a newsgroup... or browse available groups? |
| 14:38.16 | aquatix | jeward: maybe just browse them? |
| 14:38.22 | GAN800 | Some Bugzilla comment you made. |
| 14:38.32 | jeward | aquatix: I would if I could figure out how... |
| 14:38.33 | aquatix | jeward: i don't use claws-mail as nntp client myself and don't have internet atm |
| 14:38.35 | aquatix | oh |
| 14:38.39 | aquatix | sec |
| 14:39.04 | andre__ | GAN800, ah, "some". yeah, i remember. ;-) well, happens... |
| 14:39.49 | GAN800 | Also, andre__, install this: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/advanced-backlight/ |
| 14:40.50 | andre__ | why? |
| 14:41.02 | andre__ | i don't care about 200 different optiond for backlight. i'm fine with it. |
| 14:41.17 | GAN800 | To save statusbar space and because it's awesome. :P |
| 14:41.18 | wnd | timeless, I didn't look at actual source for gnomevfs, but I think you need to fail harder if return value doesn't match EOF or OK. afterall, gnome-vfs-result.h also defines GNOME_VFS_ERROR_TOO_MANY_OPEN_FILES. |
| 14:41.38 | GAN800 | Yes, but your statusbar is a little full. :p |
| 14:41.48 | andre__ | i got enough statusbar space for everybody. no, not really :) |
| 14:42.23 | timeless | wnd: sadly my xref is down again |
| 14:42.27 | GAN800 | OK, because it's opensource and Nokia's applets aren't. ;) |
| 14:42.33 | Jaffa | GAN800: the major disadvantage to four of us standing is only one of us loses... |
| 14:42.55 | andre__ | GAN800, heh... i don't care that much about it :) |
| 14:43.27 | GAN800 | OK, suit yourself, continue suffering with crappy statusbar applets. |
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| 14:43.54 | lcuk | did *all* the nokia guys return on the same day? |
| 14:44.08 | timeless | i was in italy for the middle of last week |
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| 14:44.15 | timeless | but most vacations end by a certain time |
| 14:44.31 | timeless | my summer vacation will be in october, because i'm not a european |
| 14:44.35 | Veggen | timeless: Italy? Where? |
| 14:44.40 | timeless | Torino |
| 14:44.55 | timeless | (business trip, need to file expense claims...) |
| 14:44.59 | Veggen | ah. Hmm, that's one of the places I haven't been yet :) |
| 14:45.00 | lcuk | cool, just looks like when a closet couple return to work in a line trying not to look conspicuous |
| 14:45.05 | aquatix | summer vacation? what summer vacation? |
| 14:45.07 | lcuk | good trips? |
| 14:45.10 | aquatix | looks overworked |
| 14:45.27 | crashanddie | aquatix, how could you possibly be overworked ? |
| 14:45.29 | timeless | aquatix: it's a hypothetical thing that i'll do in a month |
| 14:45.34 | timeless | i haven't done it yet |
| 14:45.36 | lardman | GAN800: Right, I've added some blurb ;) |
| 14:45.51 | timeless | lcuk: well, al italia lost my luggage both ways |
| 14:45.52 | Veggen | timeless: I have two weeks scheduled vacation in october that's getting less and less possible, too. |
| 14:45.55 | lcuk | hi there lardster, i thought your alert would be binging earlier |
| 14:46.03 | Veggen | lcuk: Via Amsterdam? |
| 14:46.05 | timeless | the first taxi driver demanded more cash than i had and wanted to hold me ransom |
| 14:46.08 | lcuk | timeless, omg, thats like everyone losing maemo.org ;) |
| 14:46.10 | GAN800 | lardman, be sure to announce on -community, too. |
| 14:46.21 | timeless | the atm i visited refused to extend me a line of credit for 70eur |
| 14:46.28 | timeless | because i had maxed out my visa |
| 14:46.31 | lcuk | timeless, did you get it all back or is it still gone? |
| 14:46.31 | lardman | GAN800: is that a ml? |
| 14:46.38 | crashanddie | lardman, yeah |
| 14:46.39 | Veggen | lcuk: I think it's not Al Italia but the airport in Amsterdam. Because it's happened to Paris, too, via Amsterdam. |
| 14:46.40 | lardman | feels slightly out of it atm |
| 14:46.48 | lardman | crashanddie: thanks |
| 14:46.49 | timeless | the finnish visa card has a phone number on the reverse which isn't open outside of business hours |
| 14:46.54 | Veggen | (eh, timeless) |
| 14:47.02 | lcuk | lardman, have a bacon butty :) |
| 14:47.06 | timeless | heaven forbid you need to ask for help from your visa card issuer at night or on weekend |
| 14:47.06 | timeless | s |
| 14:47.11 | Jaffa | likes the fact that Thoughtfix is so optimistic that he thinks everyone at Nokia is so quiet cos they're working hard on something *amazing*. Now, I don't doubt that fremantle - when we see it - will be pretty damn cool compared with diablo, but a) it's holiday season; b) it ain't gonna cure world hunger |
| 14:47.13 | aquatix | crashanddie: shush ;) |
| 14:47.25 | Veggen | timeless: This summer, I got it back after only two days, though ;) |
| 14:47.26 | aquatix | crashanddie: let's pretend for a moment i'm working my ass off |
| 14:47.31 | Jaffa | lardman: https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-communityhttps://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community |
| 14:47.38 | Jaffa | lardman: and, just once, https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community |
| 14:47.43 | lcuk | jaffa, given enough pigs i could cure world hunger |
| 14:47.46 | lardman | Jaffa: yep got it thanks |
| 14:47.52 | lardman | lcuk: hear hear |
| 14:47.53 | timeless | oh, and forget trying to speak English and knowing American sizes when you're in a hurry to buy pants in Italy |
| 14:47.54 | Veggen | (to a place a little into the italian alps) |
| 14:47.57 | lcuk | well, for certain groups anyway |
| 14:48.01 | timeless | at least the service was friendly and they *tried* to help |
| 14:48.03 | crashanddie | aquatix, ok, you have till 1600 GMT, after that you're doing nothing again, deal |
| 14:48.04 | timeless | sadly, that didn't work |
| 14:48.05 | crashanddie | ? |
| 14:48.19 | timeless | (all i wanted was a pair of 32x34 kakis) |
| 14:48.23 | aquatix | crashanddie: that's in 2 hours? |
| 14:48.34 | aquatix | erm, 1 hour |
| 14:48.45 | crashanddie | aquatix, 12 minutes |
| 14:48.47 | lcuk | timeless, with no money for a few more hours you would have lost weight and couldv got the cheaper smaller pants :) |
| 14:48.50 | lardman | that list has been going for ages, first I've heard of it (and remembered anyway) |
| 14:48.51 | lcuk | mastercard were helping you |
| 14:48.51 | timeless | veggen: hrm, yeah i lost my luggage in ams technically |
| 14:48.51 | jeward | Anyone know how to read usenet news with claws? |
| 14:48.57 | timeless | but i've flown through ams a bunch of times |
| 14:49.02 | Veggen | timeless: That happens a lot in Ams. |
| 14:49.02 | timeless | (using klm) |
| 14:49.03 | aquatix | crashanddie: oh, i thought i was living at gmt+2 |
| 14:49.04 | wnd | and forget it when you want to send a post card in Italy ;-) |
| 14:49.11 | aquatix | or does gmt have dst too :) |
| 14:49.14 | lcuk | i technically had no problem through amsterdam last time |
| 14:49.17 | Veggen | timeless: So I wouldn't blame Al Italia here, I think. |
| 14:49.17 | timeless | i've also lost my luggage both ways flying through paris (de gaul) |
| 14:49.19 | crashanddie | aquatix, of course we do :) |
| 14:49.20 | timeless | (cdg) |
| 14:49.34 | aquatix | crashanddie: well, i'm confused with utc then :) |
| 14:49.44 | lcuk | lardman >> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=T7SViwZwqoc :) |
| 14:49.47 | GAN800 | lardman, it was midgard2maemo |
| 14:49.48 | crashanddie | aquatix, GMT = UTC + DST |
| 14:49.50 | lcuk | goes again |
| 14:49.55 | aquatix | crashanddie: i see :) |
| 14:49.57 | lardman | GAN800: ah, ok |
| 14:50.00 | Veggen | timeless: Actually, my track-record through Ams is about 50/50 :) |
| 14:50.09 | aquatix | crashanddie: well, as government worker, i agree with the deal ;) |
| 14:50.14 | timeless | veggen: ok... |
| 14:50.21 | Veggen | timeless: Half the plane-trips, it goes ok, half it gets delayed. |
| 14:50.23 | aquatix | never flies *through* ams, but from and to |
| 14:50.27 | timeless | maybe i should keep score |
| 14:50.37 | timeless | aquatix: speaking of to/from |
| 14:50.39 | Veggen | timeless: but I haven't travelled *that* may times through Ams. |
| 14:50.46 | lardman | lol @ bellicose comments to bug #2878 |
| 14:50.50 | timeless | the baggage delivery guy here in HEL remembered me from the last time he delivered a bag |
| 14:50.56 | aquatix | timeless: lol |
| 14:51.00 | timeless | i told him i'm flying next weekend... |
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| 14:51.04 | crashanddie | aquatix, "My dad's the fastest man in the world, he's an F1 driver, he finishes work at 4 and he's home at 4:10" "Well my Daddy's the fastest dad in the world, he finishes work at 6 and he's home at 4. He works in public service" |
| 14:51.15 | timeless | so we'll see eachother shortly after :) he suggested an apt |
| 14:51.22 | aquatix | crashanddie: ghehehe |
| 14:51.32 | timeless | lol |
| 14:52.57 | aquatix | lardman: bellicose? |
| 14:53.17 | crashanddie | anyway, back to watching hope keynotes |
| 14:53.35 | GAN800 | The GPS and the OGG bug really bring out the disgruntled customers. |
| 14:53.40 | lardman | talking about lawsuits, etc |
| 14:54.01 | derf | Must be from the US. |
| 14:54.07 | lardman | :) |
| 14:54.23 | GAN800 | s/customers/idiots/ |
| 14:54.46 | lardman | derf: I was back to making some progress on Tremor, been slightly busy for the past few weeks though |
| 14:55.03 | derf | lardman: Is that why progress is past-tense? |
| 14:55.08 | lardman | derf: converted to built-in malloc, need to debug the byte reading code though |
| 14:55.26 | lardman | derf: well it's stalled temporarily, again, but I do have a second wind |
| 14:55.33 | derf | I've been making some progress on the QR-code stuff. |
| 14:55.37 | lardman | cool |
| 14:55.51 | timeless | aquatix: lardman was showing off his vocabulary |
| 14:56.04 | derf | I can now successfully detect lots of codes that both the Java package and zxing cannot. |
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| 14:56.17 | timeless | qr? |
| 14:56.30 | derf | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QR_Code |
| 14:56.35 | lardman | timeless, aquatix, I did have to check if it had double-L though ;) |
| 14:56.49 | lardman | derf: nice :) |
| 14:56.50 | aquatix | timeless: oh, it's a word :) i thought it was a nick |
| 14:56.55 | aquatix | lardman: :) |
| 14:57.18 | derf | All I need to do is figure out the most efficient way to search for the alignment patterns, and the rest should be easy. |
| 14:57.31 | lardman | famous last words ;) |
| 14:57.52 | derf | I already did the hard work of fixing the RS decoder. |
| 14:58.17 | lardman | I need to look at the pdf code, but it's not going to happen before Berlin that's for use |
| 14:58.22 | AFBN810 | hey cabthe vncviewer for maemo connect to any kind of vnc server? Can't get it to connect to my uvnc server |
| 14:58.22 | lardman | s/use/sure |
| 14:58.29 | aquatix | just align the warp deflector with the force field and everything should be set |
| 14:58.34 | yacoob | Damn. I've been rickrolled by my own itunes. |
| 14:58.39 | aquatix | yacoob: lol |
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| 15:01.17 | MangoFusion | yacoob: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2b1D5w82yU ? |
| 15:01.26 | yacoob | not clicking! |
| 15:01.46 | MangoFusion | aww, cmon. It's a top secret video of iTunes on maemo. yes. |
| 15:02.39 | MangoFusion | no i lie. it is in fact accelerated opengl running on an IT |
| 15:03.09 | MangoFusion | seriously |
| 15:03.10 | lardman | Nice, katix-efis already connects to x-plane |
| 15:03.12 | MangoFusion | >:) |
| 15:03.47 | lardman | why am I watching Rick Astley? |
| 15:04.42 | lardman | ah, I now understand what rickrolling is |
| 15:05.10 | MangoFusion | is it rick astley. or is it rick astley running on an IT? |
| 15:05.16 | MangoFusion | bwhahaha |
| 15:07.00 | lardman | crosses MangoFusion off the "feed the world with bacon sandwiches" list ;p |
| 15:09.51 | timeless | sighs |
| 15:09.57 | timeless | the agps bug is kinda interesting |
| 15:10.02 | timeless | if i wanted to learn all about agps |
| 15:10.28 | lardman | I think it just comes down to poor sensitivity of the chipset, or some firmware issues, neither of which we can fix |
| 15:10.47 | timeless | i don't think i'm allowed to think :) |
| 15:10.53 | lardman | would be good to see some more debugging output from the chipset to work out what's going on though |
| 15:10.59 | lardman | timeless: :) |
| 15:16.23 | timeless | andre__: omigosh |
| 15:16.26 | timeless | that's a lot of votes |
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| 15:16.38 | timeless | note to self: do not touch bug :) |
| 15:18.06 | andre__ | timeless, currently having private mail getting people into publicly commenting on the plans... sigh |
| 15:18.23 | lardman | in case you get sucked into the impending lawsuit hey? ;) |
| 15:19.11 | Jaffa | andre__: you mean Nokia *don't* lurge from one bug ridden feature to another?! It's planned that way? ;-) |
| 15:19.35 | Jaffa | * Not suggesting all features are buggy, just some people are disgruntled |
| 15:19.36 | andre__ | haha |
| 15:20.01 | andre__ | reminds me of the "do it, if YOU want to get sued" answer i received one week ago :) |
| 15:20.54 | GAN800 | Do it! It's not everyday you get the opportunity to be sued. ;) |
| 15:21.23 | andre__ | hmm... in the past i prefered to have it the other way round... |
| 15:23.54 | lcuk | lardman, a much better youtube link :) not that astley bloke :) http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=T7SViwZwqoc and fyi, i am having a "i am hungry" module inside liqbase :) |
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| 15:24.57 | lardman | lcuk: nice |
| 15:25.26 | lcuk | indeedy, physics works with image scaling :D |
| 15:25.47 | lcuk | thought he would need the IVA for that |
| 15:25.47 | lardman | now just a few gestures to stack things hey? ;) |
| 15:26.14 | lcuk | ha, no i dont need to actually use that one for anything other than testing if things work |
| 15:26.18 | lardman | this yours too? http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mWViPc17rnA&feature=related |
| 15:26.21 | lardman | :D |
| 15:26.44 | lardman | probably not overly related then |
| 15:27.45 | lardman | doesn't know for sure that lcuk doesn't have a Lamborghini of course |
| 15:27.48 | lcuk | lol no - but eldest was so carried away yesterday by a chain of sports cars he rode into the side of a moving car! thankfully hes ok but its his warning for concentrating on his bike |
| 15:28.20 | lardman | :) |
| 15:28.27 | lcuk | (the driver had seen him and was stopping so it was more like hitting a wall for luke) |
| 15:28.52 | lardman | I'm offski, see you chaps tomorrow |
| 15:28.55 | lcuk | couldv been so much worse thou |
| 15:29.00 | lcuk | alrighty, cya later lardman |
| 15:29.08 | lardman | yeah, if he was going slightly quicker - nasty |
| 15:30.28 | johnx | plays with alternate panel layouts in debian/n8x0 |
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| 15:34.40 | johnx | ~lart spammers for spamming my cell phone |
| 15:34.40 | infobot | forces spammers to use Outlook Express for spamming my cell phone |
| 15:36.33 | sp3000 | from bad to perverse |
| 15:36.54 | sp3000 | but, that'll teach them! :) |
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| 15:37.19 | johnx | yeah, nothing like having my phone vibrate in the middle of the night and wake me up only to find spam |
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| 15:39.26 | sp3000 | agh, sqlalchemy is murdering me with this auto-correlation thing |
| 15:39.40 | sp3000 | flails about helplessly |
| 15:41.45 | sp3000 | oh, oops, I win |
| 15:42.09 | sp3000 | tres excellent |
| 15:42.46 | johnx | congratulations! what did you win? |
| 15:43.02 | sp3000 | a working query |
| 15:44.28 | sp3000 | or, a subquery that doesn't explode in a poof of confusion trying to correlate to the enclosing query that ...uh, has both participants doing ...something ..there already |
| 15:44.54 | johnx | that doesn't sound as good as winning the lottery |
| 15:44.57 | johnx | I think I'll pass |
| 15:45.51 | sp3000 | it's a kind of monkey-typewriter-shakespeare moment really |
| 15:46.05 | sp3000 | since I havent' really quite figured it out :P |
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| 15:46.41 | johnx | I have those except it's monkey-keyboard-shatner |
| 15:47.19 | timeless | gan: i'm pretty sure i have the opportunity to be sued daily |
| 15:47.22 | timeless | or at least weekly |
| 15:47.58 | johnx | ah, the famous "cake or lawsuit?" question on fridays? |
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| 15:50.03 | GAN800 | Yeah, well, that's you. The rest of us poor schmucks have to make due wih what we can get. ;) |
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| 15:53.13 | Andy80 | hi all |
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| 15:55.03 | lardman_ | I couldn't stay away |
| 15:55.19 | sp3000 | oh, heh, turns out I didn't win yet, I was looking at the wrong thing :D |
| 15:55.41 | sp3000 | luckily the same principle applied |
| 15:57.05 | sp3000 | timeless: this is generalizing filter ui to all reports and letting you switch between reports/lists while keeping your query |
| 15:57.18 | timeless | yum |
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| 16:12.09 | lardman|home | I really can't see what's wrong with the mono stream in dsp-sbc |
| 16:12.36 | lardman|home | ah, unless I multiply the stream size by 2 without checking, hmm |
| 16:15.58 | lardman|home | hmm, doesn't look like it |
| 16:16.24 | GAN8001 | Do it right, lardman|home. :P |
| 16:16.42 | lardman|home | I did, still not sure what's wrong with it |
| 16:17.20 | qwerty12 | lardman|home: meanwhile, give people who complain of this program a copy of sox :P |
| 16:17.27 | qwerty12 | s/program/problem/ |
| 16:17.50 | lardman|home | qwerty12: yeah :) |
| 16:17.59 | lardman|home | qwerty12: would be good to fix it though |
| 16:18.08 | GAN8001 | milhouse, ping. |
| 16:18.19 | qwerty12 | lardman|home: yeah :) |
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| 16:20.08 | Khertan_n810 | Hi ! |
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| 16:22.04 | lardman|home | hmm, bet it was a #pragma MUST_ITERATE(1) |
| 16:22.08 | qwerty12 | takes the time to learn ssh-agent :/ |
| 16:23.16 | lardman|home | nope, that pragma should be fine. Drat! |
| 16:26.25 | Khertan_n810 | Abiword is really nunstable |
| 16:26.25 | Khertan_n810 | s/nunstable/unstable |
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| 16:28.23 | GAN8001 | Yeah, it's pretty beta. |
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| 16:44.19 | Jaffa | infobot, seen megabyte405 |
| 16:44.47 | infobot | megabyte405 <n=ryan@user-12l2bbd.cable.mindspring.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 48d 21h 9m 38s ago, saying: ':D I lack actual maemo programming experience, I just use and package'. |
| 16:44.48 | Jaffa | !seen megabyte405 |
| 16:44.48 | Jaffa | gives up |
| 16:44.48 | qwerty12 | ~seen megabyte405 |
| 16:44.48 | infobot | megabyte405 <n=ryan@user-12l2bbd.cable.mindspring.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 48d 21h 9m 39s ago, saying: ':D I lack actual maemo programming experience, I just use and package'. |
| 16:47.54 | _berto_ | vagalume 0.7 is out, guys -> http://blogs.igalia.com/berto/2008/09/01/vagalume-07-released/ |
| 16:48.33 | qwerty12 | _berto_: nice, thanks! |
| 16:48.53 | _berto_ | i'm going to have a drink :) see you later |
| 16:53.44 | Jaffa | qwerty12: ta |
| 16:54.58 | johnx | can we call it "pulling a nokia" when someone releases software, then runs away? :D |
| 16:55.14 | konttori | is just looking at hum-gtk |
| 16:55.16 | konttori | http://code.google.com/p/hum-gtk/ |
| 16:55.21 | johnx | thanks for the release _berto_ :) |
| 16:55.30 | timeless | johnx: what do you call it when i write a package once, and then my server runs away? :) |
| 16:55.32 | Stskeeps | stretches |
| 16:55.40 | konttori | The code is amazingly simple as it's using tracker as the backend: http://hum-gtk.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ |
| 16:56.06 | konttori | just simply awesome to look at (recommended to take a peek at the code niceness) |
| 16:56.45 | johnx | timeless, hmm...maybe your server pulled a nokia on you? |
| 16:57.01 | Stskeeps | ponders what to work on tonight |
| 16:57.46 | Khertan_n810 | decision is made ... i keep a gtk ui for mCalendar |
| 16:58.05 | qwerty12 | qwerty's N800 uptime is the best :> : http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/N800_Uptime.htm |
| 16:58.30 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: hehe, you reflash a lot? ;) |
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| 16:58.40 | sin18 | any recommendations for an irc client for diablo (repository only show available for os2006, os2007) |
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| 16:58.51 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: So far I've survived but usually yes :D |
| 16:58.52 | timeless | sin18: epic running on a server |
| 16:58.56 | timeless | in a screen session |
| 16:58.59 | qwerty12 | sin18: X-chat, it's in diablo extras-devel |
| 16:59.01 | timeless | using ssh from xterm on your n810 |
| 16:59.06 | Khertan_n810 | sin18: x-chat |
| 16:59.14 | Khertan_n810 | but i don t like it |
| 16:59.30 | Khertan_n810 | maybe i should do my own in python :) |
| 16:59.35 | sin18 | Thanks. |
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| 17:02.49 | Khertan_n810 | hate sourceforge |
| 17:08.08 | konttori | just published blog entry on the hum-gtk goodness: http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/ |
| 17:09.04 | qwerty12 | compiles a proper cron daemon >.< |
| 17:09.26 | johnx | qwerty12, look in mud builder :) |
| 17:09.43 | johnx | mud build cron |
| 17:09.53 | qwerty12 | johnx: Thanks :). The one I've got at the moment isn't doing wonders for me >.< |
| 17:10.16 | johnx | I haven't used it recently, but if the one in mud doesn't work I'll take a look at it again |
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| 17:13.42 | qwerty12 | Well, it downloaded but it chose to build a source package instead :). I'll dpkg-source it and dpkg-buildpackage :) |
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| 17:14.10 | johnx | hmm? |
| 17:14.17 | johnx | I'll have to test it I guess... |
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| 17:14.39 | Jaffa | qwerty12: mud should build both source & binary packages. |
| 17:15.31 | qwerty12 | Jaffa: I only got the source package, maybe something on my end is messed up. No problems though, brilliantly easy for me either way :) |
| 17:16.04 | johnx | it's also possible that one or more of my hacks has an adverse effect in diablo... |
| 17:16.38 | Jaffa | qwerty12: it's also possible that the build failed - I'm not entirely convinced at the moment that there aren't edge cases |
| 17:17.01 | Jaffa | Suffice to say, I've got 2 weeks to fix such issues and write a presentation and demo for the summi |
| 17:17.03 | Jaffa | +t |
| 17:18.37 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 17:19.24 | Khertan_n810 | i ve two week to finish mContacts, release a first version, release and finish the new version of mCalendar |
| 17:19.34 | Khertan_n810 | write presentation |
| 17:19.47 | Khertan_n810 | and maybe a new version of pygtkeditor |
| 17:19.50 | qwerty12 | Thanks for the cron and mud-builder johnx and Jaffa. Bye. |
| 17:20.26 | Khertan_n810 | write a presentation for py2deb |
| 17:20.26 | Khertan_n810 | for the summit :) |
| 17:20.26 | lardman|home | bbl |
| 17:21.21 | Jaffa | Khertan_n810: heh, I'm not going to offer to swap ;-) |
| 17:21.46 | Khertan_n810 | and also if i found time made a small explanation on how to write a applet in python with a prefs dialog |
| 17:21.47 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
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| 17:23.01 | AFBN810 | You guys are not going to belave this I'm at a subway and they set the password on there wireless internet the same as the networks name lol |
| 17:23.34 | johnx | AFBN810, is it even supposed to be a public network? |
| 17:24.07 | AFBN810 | if it was public why would it be locked |
| 17:25.06 | AFBN810 | network name and pre-share key are subway4788 |
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| 17:25.27 | Khertan_n810 | classic ! |
| 17:25.32 | AFBN810 | I'm going to start trying this more often |
| 17:26.00 | Khertan_n810 | so you live in usa ? |
| 17:26.07 | AFBN810 | yeah |
| 17:26.21 | AFBN810 | why is subway usa only? |
| 17:26.26 | Khertan_n810 | :) centurytel was bought by verizon |
| 17:26.27 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 17:26.38 | Khertan_n810 | and is usa only |
| 17:27.02 | Khertan_n810 | they don t have network else where |
| 17:27.57 | AFBN810 | not sure prised this is a centrytel network they are big around here |
| 17:28.51 | AFBN810 | didn't know verison had them now was that reveny? |
| 17:29.05 | AFBN810 | recent |
| 17:29.18 | Khertan_n810 | in fact i m wrong ... centurytel bought a part of verizon |
| 17:29.21 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 17:29.26 | AFBN810 | lol |
| 17:29.40 | Khertan_n810 | 2000 - 2002 |
| 17:29.46 | AFBN810 | ahh ok |
| 17:29.46 | johnx | verizon the landline company, not verizon the cell phone company though |
| 17:30.23 | AFBN810 | cool |
| 17:31.21 | AFBN810 | I should go check some more subways to see if they are all setup this was lol |
| 17:32.15 | AFBN810 | hey khertan_n810 how is ncontacts coming btw? |
| 17:32.59 | Khertan_n810 | mcontacts ... it should be ready for the summit |
| 17:32.59 | Khertan_n810 | at least the first beta version |
| 17:35.00 | Khertan_n810 | but be carefull with open ap, in Paris some do this to get login and password from stupid user which don t use secure protocol |
| 17:35.21 | AFBN810 | what about those of us with wives that wont let use go to sumit? |
| 17:35.42 | Khertan_n810 | it ll be available for all of course |
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| 17:36.01 | lcuk | AFBN810, tell your wife you are going on a hunting trip |
| 17:36.10 | Khertan_n810 | but change your wife :) i go to the summit |
| 17:36.18 | lcuk | or staying at a friends house |
| 17:36.34 | AFBN810 | lol |
| 17:37.22 | Khertan_n810 | mcontacts will be available one day before in the extras devel repository, as i ll not be able to push it to repository when i ll be at berlin |
| 17:37.31 | Khertan_n810 | roaming data is too high |
| 17:37.42 | AFBN810 | cool |
| 17:37.46 | aquatix | Khertan_n810: no wifi? |
| 17:38.07 | Khertan_n810 | aquatix: i don t like use unknow ap |
| 17:38.14 | AFBN810 | did you find some better icons then I used |
| 17:38.29 | lcuk | Khertan_n810, setup a vpn tunnel to your home machine |
| 17:38.45 | aquatix | Khertan_n810: fair enough; you could use a vpn tunnel or something though |
| 17:38.46 | lcuk | oh sorry, your home machine is n810 |
| 17:38.51 | aquatix | lol |
| 17:38.57 | Khertan_n810 | AFBN810: not sure yet, i ll work on it in a few hours when i ll be at home |
| 17:39.04 | aquatix | or at least ssl over http and such :) |
| 17:39.06 | AFBN810 | cool |
| 17:39.19 | Khertan_n810 | aquatix: ssl isn't secure |
| 17:39.23 | lcuk | Khertan_n810, when you are at the summit itself surely you could slurp from someones internet |
| 17:39.35 | aquatix | Khertan_n810: it is when you check the certificates |
| 17:39.37 | lcuk | wonders what the S is for |
| 17:39.53 | aquatix | lcuk: session ;) |
| 17:40.02 | AFBN810 | hey got a question while I'm here I got a uvnc server on my windows desktop will the vnc viewer maemo not work with it |
| 17:40.55 | lcuk | AFBN810, i dont know about a specific extension to vnc, but standard vnc works a treat |
| 17:40.58 | lcuk | lol aquarius- |
| 17:41.04 | lcuk | lol aquatix |
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| 17:41.18 | lcuk | back after t |
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| 19:06.18 | alex_ | I have a nokia 770. I installed IT2007 hacker edition on it and it works great most of the time... just a big sluggish. My biggest complaint is how often it seems to sometimes randomly reboot more often than not white some program is starting. Is This a common problem and should I downgrade? |
| 19:06.49 | timeless | is there an it2008he? |
| 19:06.53 | GAN8001 | Do you have swap enabled? |
| 19:06.57 | GAN8001 | OS2008HE exists. |
| 19:07.06 | GAN8001 | But it's a touch more unstable than OS2007HE |
| 19:07.14 | alex_ | ic |
| 19:07.22 | GAN8001 | More feature-full and useful, but slower and less stable. |
| 19:07.30 | GAN8001 | Integrated circuit? |
| 19:07.37 | alex_ | I want speed and stability |
| 19:07.52 | alex_ | integrated circuit ? |
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| 19:08.26 | GAN8001 | The speed and stability is probably best found with OS2006 |
| 19:08.40 | GAN8001 | But, uh, the 770 kinda sucks in general. |
| 19:08.57 | GAN8001 | If you REALLY want speed and stability, pick up a used N800. |
| 19:08.58 | timeless | 'i see' |
| 19:09.05 | alex_ | yeah but I got it for 70 bucks on ebay... really nice pdf reader :) |
| 19:09.07 | timeless | but please don't write two letter abbreviations |
| 19:09.10 | timeless | it really isn't worth it |
| 19:09.33 | timeless | if you want speed, you could consider buying a cheap n800 |
| 19:09.36 | timeless | it's faster :) |
| 19:09.39 | timeless | and has more ram :) |
| 19:09.50 | alex_ | how much are they going for these days |
| 19:10.41 | GAN8001 | ~$150 |
| 19:10.53 | alex_ | not bad |
| 19:10.55 | GAN8001 | It's worlds better than the 770. |
| 19:11.22 | alex_ | I'll look into it... thanks for the advice :) |
| 19:11.55 | hung_andrew | hello all. I have got a question. Does Nokia Travel Charger AC-4, which came with Nokia N810 Internet Tablet, support 220V/50Hz or only 110V/60Hz. Will it work in Russia (220V/50Hz) If I buy in USA? Thanx in advance |
| 19:12.42 | RST38h | supports both |
| 19:12.53 | RST38h | will work in Russia. |
| 19:12.54 | AStorm | yes, it's dual-mode |
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| 19:13.08 | AStorm | in fact, I have AC-4e here in Poland |
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| 19:13.14 | hung_andrew | RST38h,AStorm thank you |
| 19:14.07 | hung_andrew | I am waiting my N810 from States... Thrilling |
| 19:14.21 | Stskeeps | hung_andrew: obviously you might need a plug converter but besides that it should be fine |
| 19:14.30 | Stskeeps | also ac-4 are dead cheap |
| 19:14.46 | hung_andrew | yeah. I see |
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| 19:17.01 | timeless | yeah, the chargers work fine |
| 19:17.17 | timeless | i've used old nokia chargers from the us here in europe w/o issue |
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| 19:18.41 | pupnik | anybody interested in browsers, but not an expert? Google made a comic about Google Chrome / Webkit and why they think it's rawsome. http://blogoscoped.com.nyud.net/google-chrome/ |
| 19:18.53 | Proteous | rawrsome |
| 19:19.19 | timeless | pupnik: i think most of us could read /. |
| 19:19.19 | pupnik | i thought it was pretty keen |
| 19:19.25 | Proteous | this is also rawrsome if you like the mythbusters: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKK933KK6Gg |
| 19:19.28 | AFBN810 | can anyone suggest a good vnc server for windows |
| 19:19.47 | AStorm | lol |
| 19:19.54 | AStorm | web apps fail when the server or connection fails |
| 19:19.57 | AStorm | still far too often |
| 19:20.21 | Proteous | my computer fails when my computer fails too |
| 19:20.46 | AStorm | hehe |
| 19:20.52 | AStorm | but connection is lost too often |
| 19:21.07 | Proteous | if my internet connection fails I have little use for my browser |
| 19:21.20 | Proteous | I guess I can log into my router and keep hitting refresh |
| 19:22.35 | johnx | google reader might be nice for a while if you had a backlog. so would google docs with a local cache |
| 19:23.28 | Proteous | so would looking into a more stable net connection |
| 19:23.33 | Proteous | maybe some redundancy |
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| 19:23.49 | johnx | Proteous, think cell phone connection + train + tunnel :) |
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| 19:24.22 | johnx | redundancy at 90km/h that fits in my backpack sounds expensive :) |
| 19:24.25 | Stskeeps | johnx: how difficult would it be to adapt a2dp scripts to deblet btw? |
| 19:24.26 | Proteous | heh |
| 19:24.43 | johnx | Stskeeps, they're totally not necessary for the most part |
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| 19:25.10 | RST38h | johnx: Long wire that you lasso onto a tree before entering the tunnel! |
| 19:25.25 | johnx | RST38h, I'll let you try that first O_o |
| 19:25.30 | lcuk | does linux have a problem with folder lengths and filenames (like old 8.3) ? |
| 19:25.52 | AStorm | no |
| 19:25.54 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: hell no |
| 19:26.04 | Stskeeps | isn't there a PATHLEN or something? |
| 19:26.16 | lcuk | probably is, but thats not the same thing |
| 19:26.27 | lcuk | thanks though |
| 19:26.29 | johnx | and I think you can't have a / in the name |
| 19:26.39 | lcuk | pathlen is the entire longest path - you could still break that with 8.3 |
| 19:27.07 | AStorm | 4096 characters is a lot |
| 19:27.10 | AStorm | :> |
| 19:27.15 | lcuk | im actually building with preferences and knowledge of files :) |
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| 19:29.52 | t_s_o | hmm, google building a browser around webkit, called chrome. whats the chance of fremantle microb going webkit? |
| 19:30.25 | unixSnob | any belgians around -- who know a good way to get mobile broadband on an n800? |
| 19:33.05 | GAN8001 | t_s_o, MicroB == Gecko |
| 19:33.25 | GAN8001 | A "MicroB" WebKit is something that can't exist. |
| 19:33.44 | t_s_o | ah, i figured that microb was both the ui and the gecko engine combined |
| 19:34.00 | t_s_o | and that the ui was flexible enough to have engine swapped |
| 19:34.03 | GAN8001 | Nope, just the engine. |
| 19:34.12 | GAN8001 | Though most everybody calls the whole thing MicroB. |
| 19:34.24 | t_s_o | at least that was the impression i got when i toyed around with the gecko engine on my 770 |
| 19:34.30 | GAN8001 | EAL (Engine Abstraction Layer) |
| 19:34.37 | t_s_o | ah |
| 19:34.47 | yacoob | it'd be nice to have webkit browser. |
| 19:34.53 | yacoob | on the tablet, I mean. |
| 19:35.08 | GAN8001 | Epiphany WebKit is available |
| 19:35.11 | GAN8001 | But the UI sucks. |
| 19:35.23 | johnx | midori is a lot faster anyways |
| 19:35.34 | yacoob | ...that's why I said that it would be nice to have webkit *browser* :D |
| 19:35.35 | GAN8001 | t_s_o, the whole thing is actually tablet-browser. |
| 19:35.44 | GAN8001 | Well, Mozilla-based browser for Maemo |
| 19:35.51 | GAN8001 | tablet-browser-ui |
| 19:36.51 | qwerty12_N800 | someone should update bundyo's midori hildonisation patch to the latest head |
| 19:36.54 | timeless | webkit does exist internally as a backend |
| 19:37.02 | timeless | it doesn't actually have anything impressive |
| 19:37.07 | timeless | it's not really worth it |
| 19:37.18 | timeless | and do note that webkit doesn't itself include crypto or various other critical ui elements |
| 19:37.23 | timeless | so it's not actually "useful" |
| 19:37.32 | timeless | you need to *build* a full browser aroudn it |
| 19:37.33 | t_s_o | well that clears up a lot |
| 19:37.42 | timeless | webkit is a lot closer to gtkhtml than it is to a web browser |
| 19:37.43 | GAN8001 | I want a real UI for MicroB. |
| 19:37.46 | timeless | but everyone forgets that |
| 19:37.49 | timeless | gan: no comment :) |
| 19:37.55 | timeless | but w/ that, we're starving |
| 19:37.57 | timeless | alter :) |
| 19:38.21 | GAN8001 | Actually, I could just go for an open source UI for MicroB. |
| 19:38.27 | GAN8001 | Then the community can run with it. |
| 19:38.32 | t_s_o | what i would like is a way to pick individual images to load while the browser is in "show only loaded images" mode |
| 19:38.53 | t_s_o | thats a good one GAN8001 |
| 19:39.38 | milhouse | pong |
| 19:41.25 | GAN8001 | milhouse, might you consider nominating yourself for community council candidacy? |
| 19:41.39 | GAN8001 | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/community_council_election.html |
| 19:41.54 | johnx | midori on debian: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/new-screenie2.png |
| 19:42.00 | milhouse | i considered it, but don't think i'm the right person for the job - i've now got only a passing interest in this project i'm afraid |
| 19:42.07 | milhouse | :( |
| 19:42.45 | mavhc | webkit, because firefox just works on too many websites to be cool |
| 19:42.56 | milhouse | GAN: I know it's a lame excuse, but to be honest this project is nothing but aggro |
| 19:43.00 | GAN8001 | Burned out on it, have you? :P |
| 19:43.03 | qwerty12_N800 | johnx: which environment is that? looks cool :) |
| 19:43.28 | johnx | qwerty12_N800, that's lxde with openbox set for no decorations, maximize by default |
| 19:43.43 | qwerty12_N800 | looks good, thanks :) |
| 19:43.53 | milhouse | GAN: Pretty much, my enthusiasm has been crushed under the weight of bureaucracy and finnish corporate politics |
| 19:44.12 | unixSnob | Anyone notice that the n800 doesn't fully function with FON access points? Either the ip phone works, or the browser, but not both |
| 19:44.21 | johnx | qwerty12_N800, poke at me if you want the settings files. I'm calling it "under construction" for now... |
| 19:44.46 | qwerty12_N800 | unixSnob: disable the wifi power saving on the n800 |
| 19:45.06 | unixSnob | qwerty12_N800: i'll have that a shot.. thanks |
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| 19:45.08 | qwerty12_N800 | johnx: thanks, will do when I reinstall debian |
| 19:45.27 | johnx | qwerty12_N800, the big red x is for closing the active window, BTW |
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| 19:45.58 | GAN8001 | unixSnob, your router has broken wifi PSM |
| 19:46.01 | GAN8001 | Not the tablet's fault. |
| 19:46.20 | qwerty12_N800 | johnx: cool, i'm clumsy when it comes to my tablet, may have to resize :) |
| 19:47.04 | qwerty12_N800 | unixSnob: yeah, dell laptops have the same problem with fon |
| 19:47.13 | unixSnob | GAN8001: other devices don't seem to have a problem with the router... although the n800 doesn't seem to ahve a problem w/ other APs. BTW, what's a PSM? |
| 19:47.33 | mavhc | so that's the reason FON managed to sell routers for $5, they were crap |
| 19:47.54 | milhouse | WiFi PSM -> WiFi Power Save Mode |
| 19:48.00 | unixSnob | GAN8001: hmm.. but I think the n800 had the same issue with another FON AP. I'll have to retest tat |
| 19:48.07 | unixSnob | s/tat/that/ |
| 19:48.24 | johnx | unixSnob, turn off the power management on the n800 and see if the problem goes away |
| 19:48.30 | milhouse | there's a comment against the PSM bug in bugzilla which refererces FON routers I think |
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| 19:49.52 | johnx | qwerty12_N800, that left panel is actually a bit smaller than the left panel in OS2008 |
| 19:50.00 | putterson | how do I get xkbd-bthid to work on my n810? I have it installed and it runs but I don't know how to connect it to my computer. |
| 19:50.18 | milhouse | unix$nob: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1636 |
| 19:50.31 | GAN8001 | ~psm is http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_Power_Saving_Mode_(PSM) |
| 19:50.34 | infobot | ...but psm is already something else... |
| 19:50.36 | t_s_o | a subwoofer hooked up to a N810, there goes the neighborhood |
| 19:50.54 | GAN8001 | ~psm |
| 19:50.55 | infobot | it has been said that psm is Personal Security Manager for Mozilla, at http://docs.iplanet.com/docs/manuals/psm/psm-mozilla/index.html. You don't need to restart mozilla as noted on that URL. It also consumes 100% CPU unfortunately... lame piece of software. no longer works as of mozilla 0.7, or needed for viewing of some login sites, i.e. yahoo. install by apt-get install mozilla-psm |
| 19:50.59 | GAN8001 | Ugh |
| 19:51.03 | GAN8001 | ~wifi-psm is http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_Power_Saving_Mode_(PSM) |
| 19:51.04 | infobot | okay, GAN8001 |
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| 19:51.48 | qwerty12_N800 | johnx: cool, maybe I shouldn't then :/ :) |
| 19:52.38 | GAN8001 | unixSnob, Wifi PSM is what gives you 3-4 days battery life while idle on wifi |
| 19:52.42 | johnx | qwerty12_N800, at this stage I'm just messing around, seeing what works. Open to ideas and suggestions too :) |
| 19:53.03 | GAN8001 | Unfortunately it makes shitty routers spaz out |
| 19:53.16 | GAN8001 | and the N800 wont automatically fall back to a safemode. |
| 19:54.43 | unixSnob | GAN8001: guess I should turn off PSM, and just save power by going to offline mode |
| 19:54.55 | GAN8001 | Or buy a real router |
| 19:54.57 | johnx | anyways, off to bed. night all |
| 19:54.58 | GAN8001 | That'll solve it, too. |
| 19:55.04 | GAN8001 | night, johnx. |
| 19:55.06 | unixSnob | at the moment the PSM setting is not in an obvious place |
| 19:55.10 | qwerty12_N800 | night johnx |
| 19:55.21 | unixSnob | GAN8001: electronics are pricey in Belgium (where I just moved) |
| 19:55.24 | GAN8001 | unixSnob, please read the link I showed you. |
| 19:55.51 | GAN8001 | If it's still not clear, I can add screenshots at some point. |
| 19:57.58 | putterson | Does anybody know how to get xkbd-bthid to work? |
| 19:58.04 | unixSnob | ah... PSM is configured on a per connection basis.. that's all I need to know. I'll give it try when I'm done downloading the belgium maps |
| 19:59.26 | t_s_o | i think one save enough power by simply disconnecting. at that point the tablet more or less idles the wifi radio. i cant say i see much diff between wifi disconnected and offline mode over longer periods of time |
| 20:00.02 | GAN8001 | Disconnecting means I don't have internet |
| 20:00.04 | GAN8001 | Which doesn't work. |
| 20:00.48 | t_s_o | hehe :) |
| 20:02.52 | GAN8001 | It's idling on XChat all the time |
| 20:03.01 | GAN8001 | and usually fetching mail/waiting for SIP. |
| 20:03.02 | unixSnob | that's seems to have fixed it |
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| 20:03.51 | GAN8001 | Say goodbye to your battery life if you're planning on letting it idle, though. |
| 20:04.47 | unixSnob | i keep it plugged in when I'm at home, using my FON router.. on the go, i'll only use other fon rtrs momentarily |
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| 20:11.12 | Khertan | Hi ! |
| 20:11.15 | Stskeeps | unixSnob: i don't hvae any problems flashing fonera router with dd-wrt and enabling WMM |
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| 20:12.45 | unixSnob | Stskeeps: what's wmm? I'm actually using a dd-wrt router in client bridge mode |
| 20:13.16 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: they run dd-wrt? even my extremely shitty £100 router can't do that :\ |
| 20:13.22 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: they can |
| 20:13.32 | Stskeeps | unixSnob: there's setting for wifi multimedia mode or something.. sec |
| 20:13.44 | qwerty12_N800 | now i'm pissed :) |
| 20:14.10 | Stskeeps | oh, i mean WMI |
| 20:14.31 | unixSnob | Stskeeps: I was thinking about looking into alternate fonera hotspot s/w, but figured i might as well use an actually fonera router. but if dd-wrt is better, and can still participate in the fon network, i'd be quite interested |
| 20:14.33 | Stskeeps | or not.. |
| 20:14.50 | Stskeeps | unixSnob: i got tired of my fonera and went and bought a wl-500g premium |
| 20:14.53 | jussio1 | /wc |
| 20:14.55 | Stskeeps | cheap and extremely hackable |
| 20:14.58 | *** part/#maemo jussio1 (n=jussi@ubuntu/member/jussi01) |
| 20:16.03 | Stskeeps | but yeah, there's a WMM toggle in settings somewhere |
| 20:16.34 | unixSnob | wmm or wmi? wmi google hits don't seem related to fon network |
| 20:16.49 | GAN8001 | I like the Buffalo WHR-G125 |
| 20:16.57 | GAN8001 | Too bad they can't sell them in the States at the moment. |
| 20:17.15 | unixSnob | has a buffaly whr-g54 |
| 20:17.26 | GAN8001 | Tomato firmware |
| 20:17.32 | GAN8001 | So much better than that DD-WRT shit. |
| 20:17.47 | unixSnob | does tomato have client bridge mode? |
| 20:17.50 | unixSnob | and vpn? |
| 20:17.54 | GAN8001 | I bought 3 from Circuit City for $20 a piece when they were having a sale. |
| 20:18.11 | unixSnob | I heard tomato was feature poor... but more reliable radio |
| 20:18.29 | GAN8001 | It's much lighter |
| 20:18.39 | GAN8001 | way more reliable and much, much faster, though. |
| 20:19.18 | unixSnob | well, I need client bridge mode and vpn, so I can mooch off neighbors and not worry about honeypots ;) |
| 20:20.09 | unixSnob | wonders why the whr-g125 is banned in the states |
| 20:20.42 | Veggen | unixSnob: go for something that you can install openvpn on? |
| 20:20.47 | GAN8001 | Patent bullshit |
| 20:21.31 | unixSnob | hmmm... should I stock up on these in Belgium, and bring them in? |
| 20:21.46 | GAN8001 | http://wifinetnews.com/archives/008025.html |
| 20:22.19 | unixSnob | Veggen: well i'm satisfied with dd-wrt running on buffalo at the moment. The flakiness is rare and manageable |
| 20:22.19 | GAN8001 | The WHR-G125 is the new WRT54G in a lot of circles. |
| 20:22.53 | unixSnob | Veggen: although I wonder if it would be worth it to try a firmware with better range |
| 20:23.12 | milhouse | The Linksys WRT610N looks quite interesting... |
| 20:23.51 | GAN8001 | Friend of mine bought one |
| 20:23.55 | GAN8001 | It was shit with the stock firmware |
| 20:23.56 | milhouse | Any good? |
| 20:24.00 | milhouse | Ah :) |
| 20:24.03 | GAN8001 | Dunno if you can load something aftermarket on there. |
| 20:24.05 | milhouse | Thought it might be... |
| 20:24.25 | GAN8001 | He returned it and I upgraded his v2 WRT54G to Tomato. |
| 20:24.28 | unixSnob | heh... it's a patent dispute apparently on the firmware.. too bad they aren't keen to sell the g125 to those who will replace the f/w anyway |
| 20:24.32 | milhouse | I tried Tomato on a WRT54GS v2 - I liked it, shame I couldn't get the port forwarding to work... may give it another try when I get time |
| 20:24.58 | GAN8001 | Was it just not working or an issue with the web interface? |
| 20:25.08 | GAN8001 | It's a little more complicated than DD-WRT's interface. |
| 20:25.19 | GAN8001 | I had trouble getting it to work when I first tried |
| 20:25.30 | GAN8001 | Don't remember what I figured out, though. |
| 20:25.51 | milhouse | GAN: Not sure, haven't investigated it much - same result with both 1.19 and 1.21 (latest available)... others don't have a problem, but I suspect it may be peculiar to the 54GS v2 |
| 20:26.23 | milhouse | The only other person I could find complaining about port forwarding with Tomato also had a 54GS v2 |
| 20:27.03 | GAN8001 | Well, you could always pick up a WHR-G125 to use as your router and move the Linksys to network extension duty. ;) |
| 20:27.10 | milhouse | Was actually trying to diagnose a fault with a Slim Devices Duet not working properly with Sveasoft Talisman 1.3.1 so getting Tomato working wasn't my main priority |
| 20:27.16 | GAN8001 | I've got 4 units covering my parent's house. |
| 20:27.32 | milhouse | I bought a pair of powerlan 200MB AV units - work a treat |
| 20:27.41 | RST38h | *4*?!? |
| 20:27.44 | RST38h | Umgh |
| 20:27.58 | milhouse | I used to have a second WR54GS v2 in client mode, which is what I was testing Tomato on |
| 20:28.09 | GAN8001 | RST38h, plaster walls and lead paint. |
| 20:28.29 | milhouse | lead paint??? |
| 20:28.33 | GAN8001 | I get coverage from the other side of the street out front to the alley and from top to bottom. |
| 20:28.41 | GAN8001 | Well, we stripped most of it out a long time ago. |
| 20:28.49 | GAN8001 | But there's still some around. |
| 20:28.53 | RST38h | well, I have got concrete on steel skeleton, but one DI-624 still does the job |
| 20:29.02 | milhouse | blimey... suspect it's a bit of a health hazzard! |
| 20:29.13 | GAN8001 | RST38h, how much space, though? |
| 20:29.25 | GAN8001 | ~3,500 sq/ft here. |
| 20:29.30 | RST38h | GAN: ~1008ft^2 |
| 20:29.48 | GAN8001 | milhouse, I had crazy lead poisoning when my dad started repainting the house when I was a kid. |
| 20:29.58 | GAN8001 | Might explain a bit. ;) |
| 20:30.12 | RST38h | yea, especially if your 3500 are on several floors... |
| 20:30.14 | milhouse | :) |
| 20:30.24 | GAN8001 | Almost 3 floors |
| 20:30.31 | RST38h | yep, that explains it then |
| 20:30.32 | GAN8001 | Converted attic on top. |
| 20:36.22 | crashanddie | has changed the topic to: http://maemo.org | Maemo Summit: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | logs at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ | http://mxr.maemo.org | https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint4 logs http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/ | We are currently discussing the size of our homes, current winner: GAN8001 with approx 3,500 sq ft |
| 20:36.39 | GAN8001 | Not my home. |
| 20:36.49 | GAN8001 | I live in 502sq/ft. ;) |
| 20:36.59 | GAN8001 | This'd be my PARENT'S house. :P |
| 20:37.13 | crashanddie | has changed the topic to: http://maemo.org | Maemo Summit: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | logs at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ | http://mxr.maemo.org | https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint4 logs http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/ | We are currently discussing the size of our homes, current loser: GAN8001 with only 502 sq ft |
| 20:37.34 | GAN8001 | pokes crashanddie with a fire-harded spear. |
| 20:37.43 | crashanddie | dodges |
| 20:38.19 | crashanddie | throws the dead-boring microcontroller TLHOPE keynote at GAN8001 |
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| 20:38.59 | GAN8001 | crashanddie, you have experience with serial connections? |
| 20:39.10 | GAN8001 | I kinda got my hacked up connector working on the Beagle |
| 20:39.11 | crashanddie | define:experience |
| 20:39.26 | GAN8001 | But I can't bring myself to ask why I'm just getting garbage characters in #beagle. |
| 20:39.27 | crashanddie | what kind of serial port is it ? |
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| 20:39.52 | GAN8001 | Well, I need an IDC10 to DB9 (AT/Everex) adaptor |
| 20:39.58 | GAN8001 | But I couldn't source one soon enough |
| 20:40.28 | GAN8001 | So I chopped a DB9 cable in half, stripped out soldered and shrink-wrapped the wires. |
| 20:40.47 | GAN8001 | Then wired up RX, TX, and GRND to the Beagle |
| 20:41.12 | XTL | hmm |
| 20:41.22 | GAN8001 | The problem seems to be with the ground wire that's usually attached to the port shielding. |
| 20:41.30 | GAN8001 | If I don't ground it, I get nothing |
| 20:41.42 | GAN8001 | If I do, I get garbage characters that are timed like a bootup sequence. |
| 20:41.54 | XTL | Noise? |
| 20:41.56 | GAN8001 | (grounding against the SD slot housing) |
| 20:42.05 | GAN8001 | Haven't a clue |
| 20:42.08 | crashanddie | what are you connected to ? |
| 20:42.13 | lcuk | ALIENS! |
| 20:42.15 | GAN8001 | My experience with serial connections is about nill. |
| 20:42.25 | GAN8001 | A Prolific USB adaptor. |
| 20:42.33 | crashanddie | Oh |
| 20:42.36 | crashanddie | that's bad |
| 20:42.47 | GAN8001 | I don't have a computer with a real serial port handy. |
| 20:42.58 | GAN8001 | I was hoping my dad's ThinkPad would have one, but. . . . |
| 20:43.09 | crashanddie | wait |
| 20:43.15 | crashanddie | how many connecters have you soldered ? |
| 20:43.16 | crashanddie | 3? |
| 20:43.47 | GAN8001 | Just needs 3 according to the Beagle wiki |
| 20:43.59 | crashanddie | hmm |
| 20:44.05 | crashanddie | did you connect it through null modem ? |
| 20:44.15 | GAN8001 | I soldered the stranded wire and shrink wrapped em to make slip-on connectors. |
| 20:44.20 | lcuk | show us the wiki page you are reading |
| 20:44.23 | RST38h | Get a USB-RS232 dongle |
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| 20:44.27 | lcuk | it will help to give context to what you are trying |
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| 20:44.31 | RST38h | They are a bit tricky but work most of the time |
| 20:44.39 | GAN8001 | RST38h, got one. |
| 20:45.16 | crashanddie | GAN800, the problem is, IIRC, only connecting 3 cables on a serial cable is possible, but you'll lose all the RTS, CTS, DCE, DTE and timing pins |
| 20:45.25 | crashanddie | which is kinda what made RS232 so handy in the first place |
| 20:45.39 | GAN8001 | http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardFAQ#Serial_connection_.231 |
| 20:46.11 | GAN8001 | crashanddie, well, I actually hooked everything up originally before I read that ^ and got the same result. |
| 20:46.26 | florian | re |
| 20:46.59 | GAN8001 | It's really not particularly important, I'm getting an IDC10 cable tomorrow, I'd just be interested to know if there's a simple explanation. |
| 20:47.12 | crashanddie | GAN8001, ok, so only 3 pins are connected, you read the the paragraph under that? About the random characters ? |
| 20:47.18 | XTL | GAN8001: what powers the bagel? |
| 20:47.35 | lcuk | blueberry muffins and strong tall lattes |
| 20:47.46 | GAN8001 | 5v adaptor that was sold with it from Digi-Key |
| 20:47.51 | XTL | Mmm.. muffins |
| 20:47.53 | GAN8001 | crashanddie, yeah, played with the terminal settings |
| 20:47.58 | GAN8001 | Tried a bunch of different terms |
| 20:48.06 | GAN8001 | Similar results |
| 20:48.14 | GAN8001 | Slightly different random characters on each. |
| 20:48.15 | lcuk | GAN800, cant you just send video out and use usb keyboard |
| 20:48.22 | GAN8001 | lcuk, if only. . . . |
| 20:48.31 | lcuk | ? why not? |
| 20:48.35 | GAN8001 | You have to have a serial console to set up the first boot. |
| 20:48.51 | GAN8001 | One video is just the Beagle logo, other is test colors. |
| 20:48.51 | lcuk | but then after that you can? |
| 20:48.55 | GAN8001 | Yeah |
| 20:48.56 | XTL | Well, can't say anything from this distance. |
| 20:49.05 | GAN8001 | I've got the Angstrom demo ready to go on an SD card. |
| 20:49.10 | RST38h | Wait |
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| 20:49.20 | RST38h | GAN: Try crossing rx/tx wires |
| 20:49.30 | RST38h | i.e. plug it through a null modem and see what happens |
| 20:50.27 | lcuk | GAN800, :D its a bit like learning to be a ninja |
| 20:50.40 | XTL | I could probably use one of those.. |
| 20:50.53 | lcuk | a ninja or a beagleboarrd? |
| 20:51.11 | crashanddie | GAN8001, the USB touchscreens, do you know if they actually get the video through USB, or through DVI ? |
| 20:51.34 | XTL | Have ninja, will travel |
| 20:51.49 | lcuk | crashanddie, not usually - the usb is just the interface for the touch |
| 20:51.54 | GAN8001 | crashanddie, the Xenarc ones are DVI/VGA/Composite + USB |
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| 20:51.57 | lcuk | look around for purchasing touch panels |
| 20:52.27 | lcuk | ie you can get the same touch overlay in serial or usb, but the video comes from normal source |
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| 20:55.50 | crashanddie | wait |
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| 20:55.58 | crashanddie | there's no ethernet port ? |
| 20:57.04 | GAN8001 | No |
| 20:57.11 | GAN8001 | No wifi or Bluetooth either |
| 20:57.15 | crashanddie | sucks |
| 20:57.15 | GAN8001 | Compact and cheap |
| 20:57.18 | GAN8001 | Meh |
| 20:57.20 | GAN8001 | USB stuff |
| 20:57.24 | crashanddie | I love the beagleboard |
| 20:57.24 | GAN8001 | It's 3"x3" |
| 20:57.27 | GAN8001 | and $150 |
| 20:57.31 | crashanddie | Don't get me wrong, I love it |
| 20:57.42 | crashanddie | but I mean... No connectivity... |
| 20:57.52 | crashanddie | Or you have to sacrifice the SDIO port and put wifi in there |
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| 20:58.13 | crashanddie | or Usb2E |
| 20:59.33 | GAN800 | I've got an old Linksys USB ethernet adaptor that I'll use. |
| 21:00.27 | GAN800 | I might buy one of those EyeFi cards for kicks. |
| 21:01.15 | crashanddie | I would love a beagleboard with a little more ports |
| 21:01.42 | GAN800 | Gumstix has an OMAP3530 board coming. |
| 21:01.57 | GAN800 | That'll probably be what you're after |
| 21:02.14 | GAN800 | Though the Rev.D Beagle might be too. |
| 21:03.39 | XTL | parsed that as "Reverend Beagle" |
| 21:04.17 | sp3000 | reverend d. beagle! |
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| 21:09.10 | crashanddie | GAN800, does anyone know about a rs232 adaptor that works with the n8x0 ? |
| 21:11.19 | GAN8001 | crashanddie, http://flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/tags/beagleboard/ |
| 21:11.26 | GAN8001 | You'll have to build one. |
| 21:12.18 | crashanddie | why the fuck do you the picture of an alien |
| 21:12.21 | GAN8001 | One more closeup coming down the pipe. . . . |
| 21:12.35 | GAN8001 | The horseshoe crab? |
| 21:12.52 | GAN8001 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_crab |
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| 21:15.04 | crashanddie | holy shit: A single horseshoe crab can be worth $2,500 over its lifetime for periodic blood extractions. |
| 21:15.49 | qwerty12_N800 | wtf is in their blood? |
| 21:16.12 | mavhc | tasty tasty crab blood |
| 21:16.18 | mavhc | for the nautical vampire |
| 21:16.43 | XTL | craab people |
| 21:17.41 | GAN8001 | The flickr export plugin for Aperture is the slowest thing ever. |
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| 21:26.14 | RST38h | Circuit Porn!! |
| 21:26.37 | GAN8001 | Finally, the closeup: http://flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/2819239690/ |
| 21:27.11 | RST38h | More circuit porn! |
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| 21:27.31 | UtopiahGHML | hi #maemo :) |
| 21:27.31 | RST38h | Using just tx/rx wires will lower your rs232 throughoutput |
| 21:29.30 | GAN8001 | Apparently that's all that's implemented |
| 21:29.41 | GAN8001 | I just need enough to tell it to boot from the SD, though. |
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| 21:33.46 | lardman | evening all |
| 21:36.25 | RST38h | Oh |
| 21:36.41 | RST38h | May well be - a lot of SoCs do not provide flow control |
| 21:36.45 | RST38h | larrrdman |
| 21:37.16 | lardman | hi RST38h |
| 21:37.17 | RST38h | Anybody knows *when* AGPS updates it info? I have changed the location on the map, but it does not seem to have fetched new data |
| 21:37.29 | lardman | anyone know how I display the files in a given package? |
| 21:37.30 | RST38h | Oops. It just did. =) |
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| 21:37.52 | lardman | s/display/list |
| 21:37.59 | jott | lardman: dpkg-query -L package |
| 21:38.00 | lardman | i.e. using apt or dpkg |
| 21:38.06 | RST38h | lardman: dpkg |
| 21:38.06 | lardman | jott: cool, thanks |
| 21:38.27 | jott | (this works only for installed packages) |
| 21:38.41 | lardman | yep, that's what I was after |
| 21:38.44 | RST38h | dpkg -L to be exact |
| 21:38.57 | lardman | Anyone here have the dsp-sbc packages installed? |
| 21:39.19 | qwerty12_N800 | i have the tar.gz + bluz-utils deb |
| 21:39.26 | qwerty12_N800 | bluez even |
| 21:39.43 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: Could you tell me the modification date of /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstbluetooth.so please? |
| 21:40.33 | lardman | has a later testing version installed, but needs some way of working out if the dsp version is installed for this thread: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13468&page=25&highlight=a2dp |
| 21:40.54 | qwerty12_N800 | lardman: give me a sec :) |
| 21:40.59 | lardman | np |
| 21:41.57 | qwerty12_N800 | 6th July |
| 21:42.15 | lardman | thanks |
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| 21:47.04 | lardman | looks for a mono file that he can bear listening to ;) |
| 21:47.31 | qwerty12_N800 | lardman: you know the one I sent is all good :p |
| 21:47.39 | lardman | hmmm :) |
| 21:49.11 | qwerty12_N800 | meanwhile tries to fix a grep -v "Content-type: text/html" that is removing everything :/ |
| 21:49.17 | lardman | cool, found one |
| 21:53.03 | lardman | so strange, sounds like it's playing through a few paper bags |
| 21:53.48 | qwerty12_N800 | is that is because of dsp-sbc or that the song sounds like that anyway? :p |
| 21:53.54 | lardman | lol |
| 21:53.58 | qwerty12_N800 | s/is/of |
| 21:53.59 | lardman | no, dsp problem |
| 21:54.12 | lardman | I'm playing the MASH theme tune |
| 21:54.52 | qwerty12_N800 | eastenders ending ftw |
| 22:01.33 | lardman | fixed it |
| 22:01.48 | qwerty12_N800 | great :) |
| 22:01.53 | lardman | it was indeed overzealous use of #pragma MUST_ITERATE(1) |
| 22:02.08 | lardman | I'll upload it |
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| 22:06.26 | lardman | right, should be there in sbcenc.tar.gz |
| 22:06.33 | lardman | just extract that in the root directory, etc. |
| 22:07.44 | qwerty12_N800 | thanks, i'll grab in a minute :) |
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| 22:11.05 | lardman | tries some more tweaking of the MUST_ITERATE #pragma to see if he can a) break it again or b) speed it up some more |
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| 22:17.57 | Stskeeps | dash vs bash on n800/deblet: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/bootchart.bash.png , http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/bootchart.dash.png |
| 22:20.30 | qwerty12_N800 | is currently using bash3 compiled with -Os in maemo and prefers much more to dash which he compiled and disliked |
| 22:20.47 | GAN8001 | Wow |
| 22:20.52 | GAN8001 | That's a big hit. |
| 22:23.50 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i prefer bash myself as well, but dash is good for system scripts |
| 22:23.52 | AStorm | what about comparing to busybox sh? |
| 22:24.04 | AStorm | (the default) |
| 22:24.06 | Stskeeps | AStorm: i'm not confident busybox sh can boot a debian initscripts |
| 22:24.13 | AStorm | ah, debian, no |
| 22:24.20 | AStorm | but Maemo init scripts, definitely |
| 22:24.48 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: yeah. Good idea actually, i should edit all my init scripts to use dash |
| 22:25.00 | Stskeeps | there's bootchart support in maemo boot afaik :P |
| 22:25.45 | qwerty12_N800 | dash failed for me because it won't support coloured prompt :p |
| 22:26.11 | Stskeeps | GAN8001: yeah, that's why debian is wanting to switch to dash, and why ubuntu seems so fast at boot (it's not all because of upstart) |
| 22:26.51 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: I'd have to argue that, i used upstart in maemo and boot was much faster |
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| 22:27.48 | LinuxCode | evening guys |
| 22:27.55 | LinuxCode | any of you use email certs with maemo ? |
| 22:28.05 | LinuxCode | Im on the N810...import of pk12 exports works |
| 22:28.08 | LinuxCode | now |
| 22:28.22 | LinuxCode | but I cant use them in the email application |
| 22:28.32 | LinuxCode | any ideas would be helpful.. |
| 22:28.44 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: upstart ofcourse helps |
| 22:30.16 | lardman | smiles at choice b) |
| 22:32.11 | GAN8001 | RST38h, crashanddie, XTL, I think it's the cable. Just getting garbage from an echo test. |
| 22:32.46 | crashanddie | GAN800, you clod |
| 22:32.54 | GAN8001 | Yeah, something like that. |
| 22:32.59 | GAN8001 | I'm noob at this. :D |
| 22:33.46 | Stskeeps | okay, either my figures are faulty or there's no impact whatsoever.. |
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| 22:34.27 | AFBN810 | Hey |
| 22:34.55 | Stskeeps | doh. |
| 22:35.27 | Stskeeps | (looked at two copies of the same..) |
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| 22:54.57 | lardman | aargh |
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| 22:59.07 | LinuxCode | is it pirate day again ? |
| 22:59.53 | lardman | :) |
| 23:00.09 | lardman | just doing my bit for global warming |
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| 23:13.24 | LinuxCode | spanks lcuk |
| 23:13.36 | lcuk | oi! |
| 23:14.05 | LinuxCode | haha |
| 23:14.08 | LinuxCode | alright mate |
| 23:14.09 | LinuxCode | ? |
| 23:14.22 | lcuk | yer, im havin a great time building stuff |
| 23:14.25 | LinuxCode | ever imported certs into your N810 for email use ? |
| 23:14.31 | LinuxCode | building what mate ? |
| 23:14.32 | lardman | always wondered what went on in here at night! |
| 23:14.34 | lcuk | never touched email on it |
| 23:14.41 | LinuxCode | lcuk, k mate |
| 23:14.44 | LinuxCode | was worth a try |
| 23:14.58 | LinuxCode | what ya building ? Im intrigued |
| 23:15.02 | lcuk | lardman, it gets quite lively occasionally |
| 23:15.08 | LinuxCode | not another wood holder for the N810 ? |
| 23:15.09 | qwerty12_N800 | LinuxCode: lardman wants in :P |
| 23:15.19 | LinuxCode | qwerty12_N800, wants what mate ? |
| 23:15.23 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 23:15.25 | lcuk | LinuxCode, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7SViwZwqoc |
| 23:15.27 | LinuxCode | my pirate hat ? |
| 23:15.42 | qwerty12_N800 | LinuxCode: the spanking :p |
| 23:15.44 | LinuxCode | ohh you are working on that |
| 23:15.54 | LinuxCode | qwerty12_N800, I only spank select few people |
| 23:15.58 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 23:16.03 | qwerty12_N800 | lol |
| 23:16.25 | LinuxCode | lcuk, sweet... how much progress have you made on it since I spoke to you a month or so ago ? |
| 23:16.25 | lcuk | lardman, ive just moored the images in place and am trying to work out how to scale the closest ones so further away from finger is smaller |
| 23:16.28 | lardman | I've got a fiance for that now, thanks anyway ;) |
| 23:16.47 | lardman | lcuk: you should have them slowly shrink back to original size too |
| 23:17.03 | LinuxCode | lardman, extra wishes huh ? |
| 23:17.07 | LinuxCode | lol ;-D |
| 23:17.09 | lcuk | linuxcode, ive completely rebuilt the rendering routines to allow an arbitary clipping rectangle and built a tile object class which i can insert data into... |
| 23:17.12 | lardman | s/fiance/fiancee (sorry no accents on my kb) |
| 23:17.16 | lcuk | lardman :) |
| 23:17.24 | LinuxCode | lcuk, sounds cool mate |
| 23:17.24 | lcuk | like they currently do :) |
| 23:17.31 | lcuk | the only problem is that they are jumpy |
| 23:17.36 | LinuxCode | hehe |
| 23:17.39 | lardman | lcuk: ah ok, didn't see that in your original vid |
| 23:17.43 | lcuk | ive made the initial grid code more friendly |
| 23:17.48 | lcuk | and it doesnt overlap initially |
| 23:17.51 | LinuxCode | code base issue ? or rendering problem ? |
| 23:18.07 | LinuxCode | my N810 seems a bit sluggish lately |
| 23:18.14 | LinuxCode | might reflash and see if i can find out why |
| 23:18.33 | lcuk | it had a bad initial tiling thing where it just scaled and if there was too many it would overlap until they were moved |
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| 23:18.42 | lcuk | you can see it on the youtube vid |
| 23:19.16 | lcuk | the little nobbles above each and every menu item are to be linked by ident to a particular drawing or image :) |
| 23:19.47 | lardman | I've got to hit the sack, worn myself out with that sbc fix & tremor byte reading debugging |
| 23:19.58 | lardman | lcuk: will have a chat/another look at the video tomorrow |
| 23:20.00 | lcuk | yer i spotted you earlier :) nice one |
| 23:20.14 | lardman | sleep tight all |
| 23:20.20 | lcuk | gnite :) |
| 23:20.24 | qwerty12_N800 | night lardman |
| 23:20.32 | qwerty12_N800 | too late :) |
| 23:21.11 | lcuk | always quick |
| 23:22.14 | LinuxCode | blames the fiancee |
| 23:22.17 | LinuxCode | ;-p |
| 23:23.23 | LinuxCode | lcuk, you gonna play euormillions ? |
| 23:23.47 | LinuxCode | £92 jackpot! |
| 23:23.49 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 23:23.50 | lcuk | i think the missus has a ticket |
| 23:23.57 | lcuk | a whole £92 oooh |
| 23:24.00 | LinuxCode | its ridiculous |
| 23:24.09 | LinuxCode | add a M |
| 23:24.12 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 23:24.18 | lcuk | Moooh? |
| 23:24.23 | LinuxCode | yeh mooh |
| 23:24.25 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 23:24.26 | LinuxCode | ;-p |
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| 23:24.49 | lcuk | i cant get used to this mousepad |
| 23:24.52 | lcuk | its too slippery |
| 23:25.20 | LinuxCode | my brother got me one in Thailand |
| 23:25.24 | LinuxCode | shape of a floppy |
| 23:25.33 | LinuxCode | its not slippy ..quite good |
| 23:25.45 | LinuxCode | once the rubbery smell wore off |
| 23:25.51 | LinuxCode | the thing stank of rubber |
| 23:26.45 | lcuk | well this makes the mouse act like a superconductor, its practically levitating |
| 23:27.05 | lcuk | is used to an old knackered cloth surface |
| 23:27.16 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 23:27.24 | LinuxCode | gives lcuk a new mouse |
| 23:27.39 | lcuk | mouse is fine |
| 23:27.43 | LinuxCode | new desk ? |
| 23:27.44 | lcuk | has a heavy ball |
| 23:27.49 | LinuxCode | you are getting greedy now mate |
| 23:27.55 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 23:27.57 | LinuxCode | ;-} |
| 23:28.40 | qwerty12_N800 | doesn't use mousepad, wooden surface + optical sensor |
| 23:28.52 | LinuxCode | qwerty12_N800, same mate |
| 23:28.57 | lcuk | i still cant get used to optical |
| 23:28.59 | LinuxCode | well...got that mouse pad now |
| 23:29.05 | LinuxCode | lcuk, why not ? |
| 23:29.13 | LinuxCode | actually this one is a laser one |
| 23:29.27 | LinuxCode | any of you remember the old amiga mouse ? |
| 23:29.28 | lcuk | i pickup my mouse quite often, and everytime i try it with a laser mouse the pointer fucks off west |
| 23:29.34 | LinuxCode | god that thing was a pain in the arse |
| 23:29.47 | GAN8001 | Get a non-shitty mouse? |
| 23:29.51 | lcuk | with the ball it stays where it is - i sort of half roll it around whilst picked up |
| 23:29.55 | LinuxCode | lcuk, mie seems fine with that |
| 23:30.09 | LinuxCode | mince* |
| 23:30.13 | LinuxCode | mine |
| 23:30.15 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 23:30.17 | lcuk | lol |
| 23:30.20 | LinuxCode | mince lol |
| 23:30.22 | LinuxCode | !!!!!!!!!!! |
| 23:30.24 | LinuxCode | hahahah |
| 23:30.29 | qwerty12_N800 | ?!?!?!?!? |
| 23:30.35 | GAN8001 | Have your sensitivity set high enough so you don't have to lift it up. :P |
| 23:30.41 | LinuxCode | qwerty12_N800, mince as in minced meat ? |
| 23:30.45 | lcuk | its not for lifting up |
| 23:31.03 | qwerty12_N800 | LinuxCode: Lol, i know, just joking :) |
| 23:31.07 | lcuk | point bein, i just dont like em |
| 23:31.19 | LinuxCode | qwerty12_N800, I bloody hope so mr qwerty! |
| 23:31.21 | LinuxCode | rofl |
| 23:31.26 | qwerty12_N800 | :p |
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| 23:50.25 | GAN8001 | http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_YaAt2fURNNU/SLqeKk3iDqI/AAAAAAAAAFw/-AerACW-cK8/s1600-h/Model.jpg |
| 23:50.26 | GAN8001 | lol |
| 23:51.11 | Raytray | Who's richard? |
| 23:51.38 | qwerty12_N800 | rms i guess |
| 23:51.43 | qwerty12_N800 | the gnu guy |
| 23:52.13 | qwerty12_N800 | I wouldn't say the N810 is entirely open, a *lot* remains closed |
| 23:52.50 | GAN8001 | The comments never fail to crack me up on his blog. |
| 23:52.51 | GAN8001 | http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/2008/08/different-ways-and-paradigms.html |
| 23:53.05 | GAN8001 | I like: "how about running windows mobile 6 on this unit-nokia have created this great device with below average software" |
| 23:55.25 | GAN8001 | Stallman, Raytray. :P |
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| 23:56.08 | Raytray | Ah |
| 23:56.34 | GAN8001 | Tuco |
| 23:57.12 | Tuco | Hi gan800, Raytray |
| 23:57.21 | Raytray | heya |
| 23:57.38 | Tuco | what you guys doing here |
| 23:58.03 | Raytray | Same as you I assume. |
| 23:58.11 | GAN8001 | Absolutely nothing. |
| 23:58.15 | Tuco | idle? |
| 23:58.20 | Raytray | Dregs come around here too? |
| 23:58.30 | GAN8001 | Used to. |
