| 00:00.33 | gregorovius | enjoy the expensiveness of each single bit of data |
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| 00:06.56 | gregorovius | hm... I don't want to store data in the internal memory. but it bugs me that the filebrowser only shows stuff under ~/MyDocs. I tried symlinking to /media/mmc2/mydocs, but then when I plug my tablet via usb I get a 'could not unmount' error |
| 00:07.23 | gregorovius | I think cloning the entire os would be a waste... is there anything else I could do? |
| 00:08.19 | Pebby | gregorovius, I do: mv ~/MyDocs /media/mmc2/MyDocs && ln -s /media/mmc2/Mydocs ~/MyDocs - I don't get a background image upon booting the thing but that's a small compromise to make ;) |
| 00:09.35 | gregorovius | Pebby: I did individual symlinks (/home/user/MyDocs/.documents, .videos, etc) and I get that error when plugging via usb... does it happen to you as well? |
| 00:09.42 | GeneralAntilles | emelfm2 |
| 00:09.53 | GeneralAntilles | Why would cloning be a waste? |
| 00:10.07 | Pebby | gregorovius: Nope, but I symlinked the entire dir and not the individual dirs |
| 00:10.38 | gregorovius | GeneralAntilles: I don't need much more free space, too much hassle when symlinks would do |
| 00:10.46 | gregorovius | Pebby: I'll try that out and see if it works for me |
| 00:10.50 | GeneralAntilles | Gives you a nice bootable backup. |
| 00:10.59 | GeneralAntilles | It's a touch faster, too. |
| 00:11.14 | gregorovius | what do you do with the internal memory afterwards? |
| 00:11.32 | GeneralAntilles | Leave it as a bootable backup. |
| 00:11.35 | Pebby | sing a lullabye to it? Keep it as a backup OS in case you bork yourself? |
| 00:11.44 | GeneralAntilles | I'd just install emelfm2, though. |
| 00:13.53 | gregorovius | emelfm2? |
| 00:14.09 | gregorovius | I already have MC, isn't it similar? |
| 00:14.16 | GeneralAntilles | It's GUI |
| 00:23.53 | mikkov_ | another app which isn't in repository |
| 00:24.31 | GeneralAntilles | pipeline doesn't believe in Extras for some damn reason. |
| 00:25.13 | gregorovius | can mmc1|2 be ext2|3 or just vfat? |
| 00:25.41 | GeneralAntilles | It can be whatever you want |
| 00:25.55 | GeneralAntilles | That's most of the point of mmc booting, having it as ext*. . . . |
| 00:26.06 | gregorovius | any pros or cons? (besides vfat not supporting symlinks?) |
| 00:26.21 | GeneralAntilles | Can't mount it on Windows or OS X machines. |
| 00:26.33 | mikkov_ | apps which are not in repository are about to get lost at some point |
| 00:27.10 | GeneralAntilles | mikkov_, feel free to beat up their maintainers. |
| 00:28.02 | mikkov_ | I just like to show example by putting my work only in extras |
| 00:28.13 | gregorovius | ls |
| 00:28.23 | gregorovius | is sorry |
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| 01:42.33 | gregorovius | I keep getting the 'memory card in use' notice |
| 01:42.40 | gregorovius | when plugging via usb |
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| 01:43.58 | AStorm | it most likely is in use by something |
| 01:46.27 | gregorovius | AStorm: I wanted to symlink ~/MyDocs to a folder in a memory card, but then I can't plug via usb |
| 01:46.50 | AStorm | don't do that then |
| 01:47.04 | AStorm | I suspect ~/MyDocs is used for a few programs as a temp dir |
| 01:49.05 | GeneralAntilles | Why would you want to do that? |
| 01:49.10 | GeneralAntilles | Just boot from a card directly |
| 01:49.16 | GeneralAntilles | That's a lot cleaner. |
| 01:56.02 | AStorm | yeah, especially if you want to access it over USB |
| 01:56.12 | AStorm | which doesn't work on a mounted filesystem ;P |
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| 02:25.52 | chmac | When I turn on my n810, it boots, the blue bar slides 100% to the right, then nothing... |
| 02:26.10 | chmac | Are there any debugging steps I can take, or shall I skip all that time wasting and just reflash? |
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| 02:28.08 | chmac | OS 2008 version 4.2008.23-14 is the latest firmware right? |
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| 02:34.18 | chmac | Oh well, let's hope the flashing works... :) |
| 02:34.45 | chmac | Bingo, we're back in business :) |
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| 03:22.03 | gregorovius_ | could something like this ( http://tinyurl.com/6feedg ) work with a n800? I mean the remote control, not the headphones |
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| 03:39.43 | goodmanson | hey |
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| 03:47.00 | el3kt | there's really no way to make n800 chaege from usb? |
| 03:47.07 | el3kt | charge' |
| 03:48.29 | gregorovius_ | el3kt: with a usb to powerplug adapter |
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| 04:28.29 | jeward | Hi, I have an n810 that was working with USBModem on a Treo 755p. It's stopped working and I can't get it going again. Can anyone help me? |
| 04:28.47 | jeward | My MacBook can still tether to it. |
| 04:37.54 | Maur | Is that neccesary? I had my N800 tethered to my Treo 650 via bluetooth, with no 3rd-party software |
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| 05:21.12 | hyankov | guys. can I use a laptop keyboard through the USB? Nokia N800 (OS2008) |
| 05:22.12 | AStorm | maybe, depends on how much current does it want |
| 05:22.23 | AStorm | you might need a powered USB hub |
| 05:23.06 | hyankov | i mean, the laptop is running |
| 05:24.27 | AStorm | uhhmmm |
| 05:24.35 | AStorm | You mean, the actual keyboard laptop has |
| 05:24.43 | AStorm | it'd need a piece of software |
| 05:25.02 | AStorm | I know none program like that |
| 05:25.44 | AStorm | I'd like to though |
| 05:26.27 | AStorm | a piece of software that makes a certain USB port appear like a device |
| 05:26.35 | hyankov | well |
| 05:26.36 | hyankov | there is one |
| 05:26.41 | hyankov | but i am not sure if it will work that way |
| 05:26.43 | hyankov | let me find it |
| 05:26.46 | AStorm | it should |
| 05:26.55 | AStorm | although hub-to-hub connection is unsafe |
| 05:27.06 | AStorm | you'd need a special hacked cable for that |
| 05:28.01 | hyankov | the cable is not a problem |
| 05:28.05 | AStorm | it is |
| 05:28.16 | hyankov | ok, the N800 comes with a USB cable, right? |
| 05:28.19 | AStorm | you cannot provide voltage to a working USB hub |
| 05:28.35 | hyankov | hm |
| 05:28.37 | AStorm | that cable is for n8x0 as a client |
| 05:28.43 | AStorm | although it should work |
| 05:28.47 | hyankov | but there is a program that makes it a host |
| 05:28.58 | AStorm | trick is, you will switch n8x0 into host mode |
| 05:29.08 | hyankov | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/usbhost/ |
| 05:29.16 | AStorm | this will burn the port in your laptop ;P |
| 05:29.23 | hyankov | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/usbcontrol/ |
| 05:29.32 | hyankov | hm |
| 05:29.33 | AStorm | no no, you don't get it |
| 05:29.40 | hyankov | so if it was an external keyboard, it would work? |
| 05:29.46 | hyankov | but if it's a laptop's one, it won't? |
| 05:29.50 | AStorm | yes, definitely |
| 05:29.56 | hyankov | i see |
| 05:29.58 | AStorm | but hub-to-hub is unsafe |
| 05:30.39 | AStorm | you'd have to somehow put n8x0 usb into client mode, while all the software and such works like in host mode |
| 05:30.45 | hyankov | http://tabletschool.blogspot.com/2008/05/nokia-n800-n810-how-to-connect-ordinary.html |
| 05:30.49 | AStorm | or simulate USB OTG on the other side too |
| 05:31.05 | AStorm | and cheat that it's a device to device connection |
| 05:31.13 | AStorm | and that the other side is providing power |
| 05:31.39 | AStorm | (the laptop side) |
| 05:31.45 | hyankov | aha |
| 05:31.46 | hyankov | i get it now |
| 05:31.48 | AStorm | this is some fairly low-level programming |
| 05:31.50 | hyankov | thanks a bunch |
| 05:34.53 | hyankov | anyone here is Python/GTK developer? |
| 05:34.58 | hyankov | i have a very stupid question |
| 05:35.31 | hyankov | don't be shy |
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| 06:13.22 | iron | hi everyone |
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| 06:31.08 | TZander | moin |
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| 06:37.13 | Jaffa | gregorovius_ / AStorm / GeneralAntilles : One of /etc/osso/* defines MYDOCS_DIR which you can use to change the location from /home/user/MyDocs. Anything assuming ~/MyDocs has a bug. I use it to put mine on /media/mmc2 without having the space used of booting off it. |
| 06:39.31 | gregorovius_ | oh, I'll check it out, thanks jaffa |
| 06:39.48 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, so what you're trying to tell me is that N810s have no storage? :P |
| 06:39.56 | gregorovius_ | would be good to add that to the wiki, as there's al ready a 'mydocs' page |
| 06:41.14 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: no, that I want the space for other things ;-p |
| 06:42.46 | gregorovius_ | Jaffa: in /etc/osso/ I only have a file named osso-addressbook-stop.sh |
| 06:44.11 | gregorovius_ | osso-af-init/af-defines.sh: # The MyDocs directory |
| 06:44.11 | gregorovius_ | osso-af-init/af-defines.sh: export MYDOCSDIR=$HOME/MyDocs |
| 06:44.11 | gregorovius_ | osso-backup/osso-backup.conf: <documents-path>$HOME/MyDocs</documents-path> |
| 06:44.11 | gregorovius_ | osso-global-search/locations.conf: <documents-path>$HOME/MyDocs</documents-path> |
| 06:45.11 | gregorovius_ | well, it seems nokia is assuming ~/MyDocs |
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| 06:49.50 | TZander | gregorovius_: as the default, does that surprise? |
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| 06:51.18 | gregorovius_ | somewhat |
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| 07:08.49 | Jaffa | gregorovius_: You want af-defines.sh |
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| 07:09.40 | gregorovius_ | Jaffa: yes, I edited it and it seems to be working, except audio files are not being found when I put them into the .sounds folder |
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| 07:13.17 | gregorovius_ | canola isn't finding images in the .images folder as well =/ |
| 07:13.24 | moontiger | do you guys know anything about home screen applets? |
| 07:15.04 | gregorovius_ | I don't... i'm sure some people in this channel do, but how many of them are awake, I don't know |
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| 07:22.00 | moontiger | heh yah ... friday night and all :) |
| 07:22.17 | moontiger | <--- has no life |
| 07:23.11 | GeneralAntilles | Woo |
| 07:26.17 | qwerty12 | knows he needs a new processor and graphics card when rendering the os2008 desktop makes his fan whir up : |
| 07:29.23 | Jaffa | gregorovius_: you'll need to tell Canola about the new folder |
| 07:29.30 | Jaffa | weddings |
| 07:29.38 | Jaffa | (not mine) |
| 07:30.23 | qwerty12 | effing hell, how do you do a "/" on an N810 keyboard? |
| 07:30.27 | gregorovius_ | Jaffa: it's a hidden folder, hence I can't choose it from canola |
| 07:30.39 | gregorovius_ | it does have a 'sounds folder', but it didn't work |
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| 07:32.25 | qwerty12 | gregorovius_: interested in a wacky way of doing it? |
| 07:32.56 | gregorovius_ | does it involve rabbits or secret magic powder? |
| 07:33.04 | qwerty12 | No, that comes later |
| 07:33.18 | gregorovius_ | is dissapointed |
| 07:33.25 | gregorovius_ | tell me |
| 07:34.46 | qwerty12 | Make a folder with exactly the same numbers of characters in the folder that you want to add (including the .) and add it in canola. Copy the file ~/.canola/prefs/scanned_folders and use an hex editor to change the folder name. I'd say use vi on the tablet but the canola people seem to have some weird way of storing their settings. |
| 07:36.12 | qwerty12 | Oh, the folder has to be in the same path as the hidden one. |
| 07:36.23 | gregorovius_ | funny |
| 07:36.28 | gregorovius_ | yeah, that should work |
| 07:36.42 | qwerty12 | goes back to figuring out how to input a "/" on an N810 keyboard ;) |
| 07:36.52 | gregorovius_ | thanks |
| 07:37.09 | qwerty12 | np. I should just emulate an N800 instead >.< |
| 07:42.37 | gregorovius_ | is there any way to modify the locking/unlocking behaviour? I don't really like power-enter to unlock |
| 07:42.53 | gregorovius_ | i'd rather have a single short press or something like that |
| 07:43.28 | qwerty12 | No :(. mce is closed source. There is a open source clone which is very customisable (powerlaunch) but has some bugs. |
| 07:44.52 | gregorovius_ | bummer |
| 07:44.59 | gregorovius_ | that didn't quite work, btw |
| 07:45.05 | gregorovius_ | canola isn't playing my files |
| 07:45.22 | gregorovius_ | doesn't matter really, I can live with that |
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| 07:51.37 | qwerty12 | has to disable the "n810"'s keyboard. it's driving me effing mad. |
| 07:56.55 | moontiger | qwerty12, you mean the onscreen one? |
| 07:57.40 | qwerty12 | moontiger: no, the hardware one. except I'm using an emulated N810 so I don't actually have the N810 keyboard physically >.< |
| 07:58.03 | moontiger | ohhhhhhhhhh ... well the real one drives me f***ing mad too :| |
| 07:58.47 | qwerty12 | hehe. i'm messing around with gconftool, hopefully I can make it believe it doesn't have a keyboard and I'm using an external one :) |
| 08:00.19 | moontiger | heh :) |
| 08:00.29 | moontiger | anyways ... nn all |
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| 08:42.09 | Pavlz | hello |
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| 08:54.07 | Pavlz | i ask you a thing |
| 08:54.49 | Pavlz | what this the distance that wi-fi can do if i got acees points in outdoor with antennas ? |
| 09:00.24 | GeneralAntilles | That's an unanswerable question. |
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| 09:00.32 | GeneralAntilles | It depends on a huge variety of factors. |
| 09:00.58 | GeneralAntilles | Wifi can pretty much be LoS for as long a distance as you want with the right antenna and amplifier. |
| 09:02.09 | qwerty12 | ~lart Werror |
| 09:02.09 | infobot | whacks Werror with a giant beaver's tail |
| 09:03.56 | Pavlz | for example ? |
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| 09:05.23 | Pavlz | better without amplifier, cause of noise and never sync signal that could damage the RF POWER MODULE |
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| 09:09.11 | GeneralAntilles | Doesn't matter |
| 09:09.18 | GeneralAntilles | It's not a question that can be answered in short. |
| 09:09.22 | GeneralAntilles | Google is your friend. |
| 09:12.00 | Pavlz | i know |
| 09:12.15 | Pavlz | but if you want we can listen this evening |
| 09:12.27 | Pavlz | when i turn back from the sea |
| 09:12.33 | Pavlz | bye bye paolo |
| 09:13.01 | tank-man | if you want a vauge answer, imo the wifi in the n800 is good |
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| 09:50.51 | atul | Hi konfoo |
| 09:50.59 | atul | are u here |
| 09:54.31 | GAN800 | qwerty12, iz palmos better then maemo? :P |
| 09:55.56 | qwerty12 | GAN800: I don't think so. I won't deny that it does have more apps and the handwriting recognition works better than maemo but I never liked it. When I smashed my Palm, I went and bought a Pocket PC and never looked back. |
| 09:56.07 | GAN800 | lol |
| 09:56.23 | GAN800 | Wasn't a serious question. ;) |
| 09:56.34 | qwerty12 | hehe :) |
| 09:57.09 | qwerty12 | Uploading transmission to extras wont work for me unless the autobuilder can run an sbrsh :P |
| 09:57.46 | qwerty12 | "event.c: In function `event_base_loop':event.c:528: internal compiler error: in verify_local_live_at_start, at flow.c:546.Please submit a full bug report,with preprocessed source if appropriate.Send email to arm-gnu@codesourcery.com for instructions." |
| 09:58.13 | qwerty12 | No wait, I have optimisations set, lemme remove them |
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| 11:06.16 | Binky | Hi everyone |
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| 11:07.50 | Binky | People, is there any way that if you unzip/unrar a file, it erases from the compressed file |
| 11:08.55 | Binky | I have enough space on mmc for the rar, but not for the rar and all the unrared files (which should be the double) |
| 11:11.40 | addoc | not according to http://linux.die.net/man/1/unrar |
| 11:12.48 | addoc | move the compressed rar to a usb stick and unrar (or rar e) from that |
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| 11:30.16 | Binky | addoc, thank you |
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| 12:04.01 | CptLaptop | http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/lalala.jpg |
| 12:04.03 | CptLaptop | ide? |
| 12:04.09 | CptLaptop | i have no clue about such things |
| 12:04.58 | GAN800 | What about it? |
| 12:05.19 | aquatix | looks like pata yes |
| 12:05.24 | aquatix | really dusty pata |
| 12:05.31 | CptLaptop | just vacuumed it |
| 12:05.36 | aquatix | :) |
| 12:05.48 | GAN800 | Actually that's a molex in the foreground. :P |
| 12:05.58 | CptLaptop | i need a new DVD burner as that ones flaky |
| 12:06.00 | aquatix | a power supply molex indeed |
| 12:06.11 | aquatix | GAN800: molex is just a brand of connectors :) |
| 12:06.55 | GAN800 | aquatix, excuse me for being lazy with the thumbboard. |
| 12:07.00 | aquatix | :P |
| 12:07.01 | CptLaptop | so i need the dvd burner that says 1 x IDE/ATAPI - 40 pin IDC `? |
| 12:07.11 | aquatix | GAN800: find yourself excused |
| 12:07.14 | mavhc | is it possible to reset the Video Center database of files it thinks its downloaded? it's playing the wrong files. Don't really want to lose the feeds though |
| 12:07.18 | aquatix | would have said the same btw ;) |
| 12:07.31 | aquatix | CptLaptop: that or 80 pin |
| 12:08.57 | CptLaptop | http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/blah.jpg |
| 12:09.02 | CptLaptop | those pins i shou d count? |
| 12:09.18 | aquatix | look like 40 |
| 12:09.23 | aquatix | 80 are smaller |
| 12:09.41 | aquatix | the ribbon cable |
| 12:10.09 | aquatix | http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/imageview.php?image=586 |
| 12:10.45 | CptLaptop | thx |
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| 12:11.55 | CptLaptop | why does one say ide/atapi and the other one i fouind says ata-66? |
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| 12:16.02 | glass | ata-66 is speed spec |
| 12:16.22 | glass | just buy whatever ide/pata drive |
| 12:16.36 | Dibblah | Two links for those unfortunate enough to not be able to afford newer than N770: http://dibblah.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/N770-Battery/ http://dibblah.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/N770-SD/ |
| 12:17.07 | CptLaptop | ah thanks |
| 12:17.29 | GAN800 | s/N770/770/g |
| 12:17.42 | Dibblah | ... Replacing the battery with a 2400mAh cell and a full-sized cell. |
| 12:17.46 | GAN800 | There's no such thing as an 'N770' |
| 12:17.57 | CptLaptop | Dibblah: happen to have similar link (battery) for n800? |
| 12:17.58 | Dibblah | Bah. It's what everyone I know calls it :( |
| 12:18.16 | Dibblah | CptLaptop: It's harder to do, as I mention at the bottom of the page. |
| 12:18.32 | GAN800 | Everyone you know is wrong. |
| 12:18.57 | mavhc | the wrong name is better than the right name though |
| 12:19.02 | Dibblah | (On the "800" ;) the metal backbone goes through the entire unit, adding significantly to it's structure) |
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| 12:19.19 | GAN800 | s/800/N800/g |
| 12:19.21 | mavhc | if you can't afford an n800 can you afford to take apart your n770 and attack it? |
| 12:19.30 | GAN800 | 'Better'? |
| 12:19.40 | Dibblah | Well, since it only cost me £70, yes :) |
| 12:20.33 | CptLaptop | thats more than a used n800 would cost you |
| 12:20.41 | CptLaptop | at least not far from |
| 12:20.58 | Dibblah | CptLaptop: I get the feeling you don't live in the UK. |
| 12:21.23 | CptLaptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:21.26 | Dibblah | And that was ~1.5 years ago, when a company over here had a firesale of them. |
| 12:21.33 | CptLaptop | ah |
| 12:23.07 | mavhc | Dibblah: did you mean 5mm or .5mm in the battery text? |
| 12:23.13 | Dibblah | 5mm. |
| 12:23.39 | Dibblah | It's actually _slightly_ less, but not much. |
| 12:23.46 | CptLaptop | this webshop over here is having a weekend offer for a dmtech starry7 internet radio for 100usd. half want one. anyone have any experience with such standalones? |
| 12:24.56 | mavhc | surely the whole thing is hardly 5mm high |
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| 12:39.47 | Dibblah | mavhc: I don't understand what you mean. |
| 12:39.57 | Dibblah | 5mm == .5cm. |
| 12:40.17 | mavhc | how tall is the battery? |
| 12:40.53 | Dibblah | The new or the old? |
| 12:41.17 | mavhc | new |
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| 12:44.42 | crashanddie | mavhc, the battery in the n810 ? |
| 12:44.44 | crashanddie | The BP-4L ? |
| 12:45.18 | Dibblah | The old is just over 5mm thick. |
| 12:45.28 | Dibblah | The new is just under 9mm thick. |
| 12:46.23 | crashanddie | The BP-4L is 66mm x 43mm x 4mm |
| 12:46.33 | crashanddie | Dunno which one you're talking about |
| 12:47.22 | GAN800 | scrollback. |
| 12:48.55 | crashanddie | oh, 770 battery |
| 12:50.58 | crashanddie | lol, http://shop.eten.hu/mugen-power-3600mah-extended-battery-nokia-n810-with-battery-door-blue-p-475.html |
| 12:51.07 | crashanddie | that's ugly as fuck :P |
| 12:52.06 | GAN800 | lotta power, though. |
| 12:52.06 | crashanddie | yeah |
| 12:52.06 | crashanddie | that's what, more than double what you get from the BP-4L |
| 12:52.26 | lcuk | wakesu p all bleary eyed |
| 12:52.36 | GAN800 | 1500mAh |
| 12:53.00 | crashanddie | well, let's admit that after a year of usage, being optimistic, you get 1200mAh out of it |
| 12:53.08 | RST38h | moo, all |
| 12:53.20 | crashanddie | and that you don't really get 3600mAh, just some 33-3400 |
| 12:53.33 | crashanddie | still a pretty good deal for £40 |
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| 12:53.43 | lcuk | does anyone know where i might find some free stock textures? |
| 12:53.50 | crashanddie | textures ? |
| 12:53.55 | GAN800 | Google? |
| 12:54.11 | crashanddie | GAN800, hey, grumpy, get back in your cave |
| 12:54.11 | lcuk | im tryin google but the sleep in my eyes is interupting |
| 12:54.17 | crashanddie | GAN800, you don't google lcuk |
| 12:54.20 | GAN800 | There's textures everywhere if you search for them. |
| 12:54.43 | GAN800 | hisses at crashanddie. |
| 12:54.58 | crashanddie | lcuk, remember how I said the final version of CR would be out tonight ? |
| 12:55.00 | GAN800 | What sort of textures, anyway? |
| 12:55.02 | lcuk | im looking for royalty free ones tbh :) i wanna see how nicely an alpha blended menu will look :) |
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| 12:55.22 | crashanddie | lcuk, might take a bit longer than that, I started a complete architectural redesign |
| 12:55.35 | lcuk | thinking granite for the background |
| 12:55.40 | lcuk | ooooh crash - its always the way |
| 12:55.55 | crashanddie | last time I commited, git went "HOLY MOTHER OF GOD" |
| 12:56.16 | GAN800 | You could always take a camera outside if it comes down to it. |
| 12:56.44 | lcuk | oh one other thing, the "13:49:50 Unknown event 33, let me know what happened at " error when you press the home key - should i bring up a menu which says "do you wanna return to hildon?" |
| 12:56.49 | GAN800 | flickr might work if you filter by license. |
| 12:56.58 | crashanddie | lcuk, "Exit?" |
| 12:57.03 | lcuk | GAN800, thats a good idea, but i dont have any granite rock formations in manchester |
| 12:57.03 | GAN800 | But there's lots of free stuff on google. |
| 12:57.41 | crashanddie | lcuk, http://www.gettyimages.com/Creative/RoyaltyFree.aspx |
| 12:58.03 | pH5 | hi, does anybody know if there exists a tango style device icon depicting a nokia n810 somewhere? |
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| 12:58.24 | lcuk | thanks crashanddie :D |
| 12:58.47 | GAN800 | I used to have a decent collection but lost it in a drive failure a few years ago. |
| 13:00.24 | crashanddie | lcuk, plenty: http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=2&language=en-US&family=creative&lic=rf&assetType=image&p=stone&src=standard# |
| 13:00.43 | crashanddie | I go to gettyimages for nearly everything |
| 13:00.44 | lcuk | http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Search.aspx?src=findsimilar&assettype=Image&sfkc=Backgrounds%3BMarble%3BPattern%3BRock#2 |
| 13:00.58 | lcuk | i found loads :) thanks |
| 13:03.49 | crashanddie | lcuk, with virgin, is there a limit on downloading ? They say "no limit", but what's the fair use policy ? |
| 13:04.00 | GAN800 | Jaiku is too ridiculous. |
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| 13:04.14 | GAN800 | irc for fail. |
| 13:04.16 | lcuk | there is a limit, if you go over daily cap of (*feck knows*) then you get slowed down |
| 13:04.19 | crashanddie | lcuk, I can't watch megavideo clips anymore, says "connection problem", and when i go through encrypted proxy in france, it works without any problem |
| 13:04.24 | lcuk | it dependes on package and area though i believe |
| 13:04.38 | lcuk | i gave up on all that worry though a while ago and just use it as i need |
| 13:04.48 | t_s_o | GAN800: define rediculous... |
| 13:05.06 | crashanddie | t_s_o, a spell used in Harry Potter |
| 13:05.09 | lcuk | crashanddie, that could be due to other problems |
| 13:05.21 | crashanddie | lcuk, yeah, probably, but well, works now |
| 13:05.28 | GAN800 | I can't, that's not a word. :P |
| 13:06.06 | GAN800 | But, seriously, it's just a stupid waste of time. |
| 13:07.22 | lcuk | if i use a CC none commercial share alike image - do i add attributation in the COPYING license area (which I have a link to view from within liqbase) |
| 13:07.44 | lcuk | or does it have to be on the page where i view the image |
| 13:09.02 | lcuk | has a better idea |
| 13:09.35 | lcuk | crashanddie, i will need the code to open a browser :) im gonna add a closing page |
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| 13:22.39 | crashanddie | lcuk, you already have it |
| 13:23.03 | crashanddie | lcuk, if you have cloudreader installed, there's a file called open_url in /usr/bin |
| 13:23.13 | lcuk | i thought the one i had opened within yours, nm when i come to it if i cant do it i'll holler :) |
| 13:23.37 | lcuk | i never installed it - it was run from the project folder |
| 13:24.02 | crashanddie | lcuk, fair enough, but well, it's in the .deb if you need it, just do a system("open_url http://www.google.com"); |
| 13:24.18 | lcuk | cool thx |
| 13:24.54 | qwerty12_N800 | can't you directly pass a url to the browser by using browser --url? |
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| 13:51.11 | crashanddie | qwerty12-N800, afraid not |
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| 13:51.32 | qwerty12-N800 | ah :( |
| 13:53.29 | crashanddie | qwerty12-N800, well, you can, and you could desynchronise the system() call by using '&' at the end of the command, but the problem is you don't use dbus if you do that |
| 13:54.38 | qwerty12-N800 | ah I see. did cloudreader appear in extras then? |
| 13:54.57 | crashanddie | no, my gpg key still isn't recognised by the builder |
| 13:55.08 | crashanddie | I have to wait until Niels gets back from holiday |
| 13:55.25 | crashanddie | (x-fade) |
| 13:56.25 | qwerty12-N800 | heh :/ |
| 13:56.39 | crashanddie | lcuk, if you're going to be using the open_url script, I might just have to package it, too |
| 13:56.56 | crashanddie | lcuk, cuz if someone uninstalls cloudreader, it would break liqbase |
| 13:57.08 | lcuk | dont worry, i was just thinking about a closing screen for liqbase :) |
| 13:57.17 | crashanddie | lcuk, unless we both add a dependency on the open_url package |
| 13:57.21 | lcuk | what happens inside your script thou |
| 13:57.30 | lcuk | and cant i just run that action inside a system call |
| 13:57.37 | crashanddie | nope |
| 13:57.44 | crashanddie | hang on |
| 13:57.53 | lcuk | its ok |
| 13:58.09 | lcuk | i wont even put it in - of course it may help you if you figure it out |
| 13:58.18 | crashanddie | spam |
| 13:58.20 | crashanddie | send_url () |
| 13:58.20 | crashanddie | { |
| 13:58.20 | crashanddie | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:58.20 | crashanddie | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:58.20 | crashanddie | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:58.21 | crashanddie | } |
| 13:58.23 | crashanddie | send_url "$1" |
| 13:58.25 | crashanddie | DISPLAY=:0 run-standalone.sh /usr/bin/browser >/dev/null 2>&1 & |
| 13:58.27 | crashanddie | for _ in 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9; do sleep 1; send_url "$1"; done |
| 13:58.29 | crashanddie | exit 1 |
| 13:59.41 | crashanddie | dude |
| 13:59.42 | crashanddie | I'm an idiot |
| 14:00.04 | crashanddie | or maybe I'm not |
| 14:00.07 | qwerty12-N800 | if you both have the script inn the same location in each of your packages, dpkg will not install one if the other is installed |
| 14:00.14 | qwerty12-N800 | s/inn/in/ |
| 14:00.17 | lcuk | im not adding scripts |
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| 14:01.09 | crashanddie | ah, no, I'm not an idiot :) |
| 14:02.07 | lcuk | is that your final answer? |
| 14:02.25 | crashanddie | yes |
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| 14:03.06 | lcuk | :D ogod, you just won yourself a half eaten ham sandwich and a pint of gone off milk |
| 14:03.13 | lcuk | ^good even lol |
| 14:05.25 | aquatix | you're now on for the micro wave even |
| 14:05.27 | aquatix | *oven |
| 14:06.30 | lcuk | i really have to stop visiting bacon reddit |
| 14:06.34 | lcuk | it makes me hungry |
| 14:06.38 | aquatix | lol |
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| 14:08.00 | lcuk | whilst i think on, i think ill follow in lardman|gone's footsteps and add "bacon" as an alert keyword |
| 14:08.17 | aquatix | bacon |
| 14:08.26 | aquatix | fanbacontastic |
| 14:10.08 | lcuk | i can feel my arteries hardening: |
| 14:10.09 | lcuk | Chicken Fried Bacon. Bacon with seasoning, battered, breaded, deep-fried, served with ranch or honey mustard sauce. |
| 14:10.41 | aquatix | hm, honey mustard sauce |
| 14:11.04 | lcuk | just searching freenode for a #bacon channel |
| 14:11.10 | Stskeeps | god.. debian sometimes. debconf GTK support requires libgnome2-perl.. which causes installation to need debconf |
| 14:13.50 | lopz | hola |
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| 14:17.48 | aquatix | Stskeeps: *grin* |
| 14:17.56 | aquatix | or rather *rictus* ;) |
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| 14:20.55 | usicow | on ebay I see some screen protectors that they say are for the n810 but the image looks like its for the iphone. Are the iPhone and N810 screen protectors interchangeable? |
| 14:28.11 | Stskeeps | aquatix: i would much rather have taken the Ubuntu port instead of Debian, but it wasn't complete enough :P |
| 14:28.14 | aquatix | usicow: might be that they are the same size |
| 14:28.23 | aquatix | Stskeeps: ah :) |
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| 14:28.47 | Stskeeps | (i -did- have ubuntu booting, but i'm not confident about the basic metapackages) |
| 14:30.31 | Stskeeps | http://i33.tinypic.com/f9lhy0.jpg <- oh this is just plain funny |
| 14:30.32 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 14:32.05 | eichi | is there no other way to view the device time seconds then using "date" in the terminal? |
| 14:32.11 | mavhc | http://allyours.virginmedia.com/html/internet/traffic.html are the limits, but they just slow you down if you break them |
| 14:32.30 | mavhc | however you can dl more slowed down than you can by sticking to the limits |
| 14:35.41 | crashanddie | eichi, sorry ? |
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| 14:37.12 | mavhc | is there an internal temp sensor that the user can read btw? |
| 14:37.51 | qwerty12-N800 | mavhc: yes, it's a standard i2c one |
| 14:38.03 | qwerty12-N800 | mavhc: www.nitapps.com |
| 14:38.36 | mavhc | thanks |
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| 14:40.36 | mavhc | almost everything on that page is something I'd want, brilliant |
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| 15:11.56 | eichi | crashanddie, what? |
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| 15:14.18 | crashanddie | (eichi) is there no other way to view the device time seconds then using "date" in the terminal? |
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| 15:17.01 | eichi | crashanddie, i want to see the "time" |
| 15:17.03 | eichi | with seconds |
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| 15:18.47 | crashanddie | eichi, ok... |
| 15:18.54 | crashanddie | then just get a clock that supports seconds |
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| 15:21.25 | qwerty12 | http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/9935/screenshot03sd1.png |
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| 15:26.38 | crashanddie | qwerty12, you're emulating diablo in diablo? |
| 15:26.50 | crashanddie | qwerty12, what else can you run ? |
| 15:27.52 | qwerty12 | crashanddie: well, my computer is. The wonders of ssh X forwarding :) |
| 15:27.53 | qwerty12 | http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/8237/screenshot04su0.png |
| 15:28.05 | qwerty12 | crashanddie: dunno, haven't installed anything :/ |
| 15:29.01 | crashanddie | oh |
| 15:29.11 | crashanddie | but you didn't get QEMU to run on the NIT natively |
| 15:29.28 | qwerty12 | crashanddie: someone probably could but the speed would be horrible >.< |
| 15:29.37 | qwerty12 | it only needs sdl for output :/ |
| 15:30.02 | crashanddie | could be fun :P |
| 15:30.08 | crashanddie | Running vista on the n810 |
| 15:30.25 | qwerty12 | what I really need to do is emulate os2007 though but that means I have to recompile qemu and I don't want to do that :P |
| 15:30.32 | qwerty12 | eew, I hated vista on my computer |
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| 15:32.57 | eichi | what is "vista" ? |
| 15:33.49 | qwerty12 | raised my eyebrows so fast, they nearly ripped off |
| 15:33.52 | qwerty12 | http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-vista/default.aspx |
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| 15:56.32 | elekt | ubiquity is sweet |
| 15:56.40 | elekt | you guys check it out |
| 16:12.30 | Stskeeps | mozilla or installer? |
| 16:12.31 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 16:26.37 | Stskeeps | ~lart debconf |
| 16:26.37 | infobot | calls debconf on the phone ... the lights are on but nobody's home |
| 16:27.10 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Hehe, what's up? |
| 16:29.02 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: target: gtk dialog boxes instead of ncurses bases while apt-get installing stuff |
| 16:29.25 | Stskeeps | use gtk: requires a package that will use a ncurses box before it installs the support perl library |
| 16:29.53 | Stskeeps | i swear, if someone has the new dll hell award, it's debian |
| 16:30.01 | qwerty12 | heh :( |
| 16:30.18 | qwerty12 | I'm going to start work on backing up mtdblock4 from bootmenu |
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| 16:34.59 | jott | Stskeeps: can't you force an answers? |
| 16:35.19 | jott | Stskeeps: like adding stuff to /var/cache/debconf/config.dat |
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| 16:40.41 | elekt | what's the #maemo logs url? |
| 16:40.52 | johnx | ~topic |
| 16:40.55 | qwerty12 | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog |
| 16:41.04 | elekt | ty, can't always see it in this client |
| 16:41.16 | elekt | it'd be nice to have a ubiquity command for that |
| 16:41.26 | elekt | it's really good :x |
| 16:41.30 | johnx | ah, me neither. I was trying to get a bot to list it... |
| 16:41.47 | qwerty12 | just went and hit the /topic :P |
| 16:42.06 | johnx | doesn't always remember IRC commands |
| 16:42.20 | jott | uses irssi and sees the topic all the time :) |
| 16:42.21 | elekt | it's the curse of gui |
| 16:42.22 | qwerty12 | hardly knows any :) |
| 16:42.35 | qwerty12 | uses X-Chat and sees it at the top |
| 16:42.54 | elekt | what is this 3rd person crap, you can't all be that awesome |
| 16:43.12 | elekt | :P |
| 16:43.24 | qwerty12 | shoots elekt |
| 16:44.20 | johnx | ~lart qwerty12 for being violent |
| 16:44.20 | infobot | follow's qwerty12 with a gauntlet and ... scratch ... HUMILIATION for being violent |
| 16:44.30 | elekt | haha |
| 16:44.36 | qwerty12 | ~curse johnx for saying that |
| 16:44.36 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, johnx for saying that ! |
| 16:44.44 | elekt | haqha |
| 16:45.39 | qwerty12 | ~qwerty12 |
| 16:45.40 | infobot | well, qwerty12 is violent |
| 16:48.51 | elekt | seriously this extension made my day |
| 16:49.25 | qwerty12 | ~ubiquity |
| 16:49.26 | infobot | rumour has it, ubiquity is rubbish |
| 16:49.40 | qwerty12 | Infobot doesn't like it so I don't like it. |
| 16:50.02 | elekt | steve ballmer started the rumour |
| 16:50.12 | elekt | infobot needs some prespective |
| 16:50.49 | elekt | you guys should like it since it's all text based |
| 16:51.06 | elekt | barely any clicks |
| 16:52.18 | mavhc | it's enso for firefox |
| 16:53.09 | elekt | never seen enso |
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| 16:54.20 | elekt | i guess yeah, there's always been stuff like this, but the range of functions is so wide |
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| 17:01.14 | colinl | hi; anyone knows how long between the Extras Builder OK mail and the availability on the apt source? |
| 17:03.21 | Stskeeps | jott: well i don't mind the questions, just the way they're presented |
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| 17:52.22 | elekt | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:52.24 | elekt | }) |
| 17:52.26 | elekt | :D |
| 17:52.58 | jott | this "openUrl" stuff is rather unimpressive. |
| 17:53.07 | elekt | yeah yeah |
| 17:53.08 | jott | the only nice thing about it are inline results |
| 17:53.09 | elekt | but useful |
| 17:53.12 | jott | na |
| 17:53.19 | elekt | you can have it open in that pane also |
| 17:53.32 | jott | but the presentation sucks then.. |
| 17:53.34 | elekt | one guy did an xkcd one that shows the coming in the pane |
| 17:54.14 | elekt | whatever party pooper |
| 17:54.32 | jott | i mean this openurl thingy is like normal search shortcuts that existed for ages :/ |
| 17:54.42 | jott | but the inline results are quite nice. |
| 17:55.02 | RST38h | moo |
| 17:55.09 | elekt | i guess i like how fast it is to get things |
| 17:55.28 | elekt | plus the customizing |
| 17:55.40 | elekt | i don't think this would be too useful on my n800 though |
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| 18:10.42 | kpel | hi |
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| 18:46.52 | Stskeeps | hm. what package has xhost on maemo? |
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| 19:29.36 | Binky | Hi |
| 19:31.27 | addoc | hi Binky |
| 19:32.41 | Binky | addoc, , i have the first release of os2006, it won't manage 2GB cards, but with a USB host will i be able to mount a pendrive of 2, 4 or 8 GBs? |
| 19:32.43 | Binky | Tia |
| 19:33.48 | addoc | dunno, frankly :-) |
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| 19:34.45 | addoc | you can try |
| 19:35.26 | Binky | Ok, thank you |
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| 20:50.39 | riot | hmm.. say, how fscked up is the gps in nokias 810??? |
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| 20:51.03 | riot | i was walking about 2 km through my town (small town, 250k Citizens, no skyscrapers, rather wide streets) |
| 20:51.08 | riot | ..and i got no fix! |
| 20:51.35 | riot | thats beyond all usability... |
| 20:52.25 | qwerty12_N800 | The gps is pretty **** tbh, best you can do is to install a-gps |
| 20:52.41 | riot | i had (according to maemo-mapper) 6 satellites - no fix?! |
| 20:53.40 | mavhc | use a-gps, make sure the clock is set correctly, still not that great |
| 20:53.47 | riot | i mean, i never really had good experiences with GPS (i think the technology is FUBAR..) but my cheapo bluetooth gps gets a (very inprecise) fix in about 60 seconds |
| 20:54.16 | riot | well, how _do_ i use agps?? |
| 20:54.35 | riot | i'm running chinook.. is it possible with that? |
| 20:54.56 | riot | and i have internet most of the time, so what about dgps? |
| 20:59.00 | riot | hmpf. i'm gonna develop my own fscking gps in this town. pfft. |
| 21:00.49 | trev0r | no |
| 21:00.58 | trev0r | diablo only |
| 21:01.00 | Stskeeps | riot: could always make better drivers for the gps and make a fortun |
| 21:01.01 | Stskeeps | e |
| 21:01.02 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 21:02.16 | riot | no, i mean, why is gps so crappy? Doesn't work with cheap devices, no indoors, bad precision... and i've seen stupid (VERY) wlan-triangulation-systems with so fscking high precision and EASE... |
| 21:02.17 | Maur | http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/27350111.html |
| 21:02.24 | Maur | That's just. Wow. |
| 21:04.20 | Stskeeps | riot: i agree nokia kinda chose wrong solution for the gps.. that's one of the things holding me back from getting a n810 |
| 21:04.31 | riot | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.46 | riot | Stskeeps: i didn't really buy it because of the gps.. |
| 21:04.51 | riot | fact is: GPS is CRAP |
| 21:05.08 | Stskeeps | i agree, but outside it's all we have until gaileo comes along :P |
| 21:05.21 | Stskeeps | .. excepting cell-id and tower triangulation and silly wifi proximity |
| 21:05.32 | riot | galileo is meant to deliver navigation indoors??! i disbelieve. |
| 21:05.47 | qwerty12_N800 | meh, nokia implemenation on gps on the n810 is shit |
| 21:06.02 | Stskeeps | i work with a research group that does galileo stuff and they don't believe indoor either |
| 21:06.05 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:06.33 | riot | Stskeeps: satellites are too far away, there is no way of ever receiving e.g. dvb-s indoors either |
| 21:06.48 | Stskeeps | yeah, i know |
| 21:06.52 | riot | so, what do you do? At least for large urban areas?? build a fscking ground-station based network! |
| 21:07.02 | riot | its easy! It costs few bucks! We HAD IT! |
| 21:07.11 | Alystair | wait what? |
| 21:07.24 | riot | stupid radio-towers sprung up all over the country everywhere since the invention of FM-Radio |
| 21:07.32 | Stskeeps | passes riot the coffee pot to calm down a bit over the GPS thing |
| 21:07.53 | riot | Stskeeps: i'm seriously pissed off, but thanks anyway :) |
| 21:08.03 | qwerty12_N800 | recommends anger management :p |
| 21:08.12 | Stskeeps | bowling is good for anger management really |
| 21:08.18 | riot | thing is, i realize that i have 4 gps devices in my appartment... of which NONE is usable. |
| 21:08.34 | riot | i'm not angered, i'm just pissed off by "promises"! |
| 21:08.54 | riot | btw. quake3 is perfect to calm down from about anything. |
| 21:09.11 | Stskeeps | riot: i've more than once considered giving up technology and moving to the romanian mountains with no infrastructure to speak of |
| 21:09.14 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:09.26 | riot | will just smoke a cig, get a shower and then go to a nice party. Oh, and i'll fscking remember this biz-idea. |
| 21:09.34 | mavhc | mountains crash less often, but when you do you might die |
| 21:09.39 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps is going Amish in Europe. |
| 21:10.39 | riot | i've only used ONE reliable gps-solution ever. Cost: about 5kEUR, Antenna: Size of a quarter-pounder... location: Large sailship |
| 21:11.05 | riot | anyone of you read "Spook Country" from William Gibson? |
| 21:11.36 | riot | One of the main reasons, i'm annoyed about gps. The navigation industry blows BILLIONS of bucks into space with no real result! |
| 21:12.13 | ShadowJK | The thing about the large sailship is that the GPS got powered on while sitting in harbour for hours :P |
| 21:12.32 | riot | at least concerning non-military or non-seafaring results |
| 21:12.34 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: worst part is my gf actually owns a house in polish mountains.. but that has infrastructure so that's cheating |
| 21:12.35 | ShadowJK | My N810 gets a fix in a few minutes when not moving and when satellites in view |
| 21:12.41 | riot | ShadowJK: lol :) |
| 21:13.07 | riot | ShadowJK: no, i was sitting in a small park for 5 minutes... it got 3 sats, yet no fix |
| 21:13.11 | ShadowJK | My sirfstar dongle kicks its arse, it's cold starting most of the time and has a more sensitive antenna :) |
| 21:13.22 | riot | i moved along some streets, it got even 6 sats - yet no fix. |
| 21:13.34 | mavhc | works ok for me |
| 21:14.16 | Kegetys | make sure to use agps and dont hold your hand where the gps antenna is |
| 21:14.58 | qwerty12_N800 | It would be nice if jffs2 supported ext2 attributes, then you could set "i" attribute on cached satellite positions |
| 21:15.00 | riot | i had a grip on a very nice small bluetooth gps (looked like an analog camera-film with a tiny lcd) which had a fix (in a large tent...) after about 1 minute.. but still, i don't want to carry yet another device.. |
| 21:15.15 | riot | Kegetys: where tf is the antenna?? |
| 21:15.41 | Kegetys | top left afaik, not sure which part though |
| 21:15.52 | jott | riot: and strongly consider upgrading to diablo and use agps. |
| 21:16.02 | riot | http://www.preisvergleich.ch/pimages/Holux-M-241-Wireless-GPS-Receiver_1197__34717_40.jpg << it was this one. |
| 21:16.10 | riot | holux seems to be rather good |
| 21:16.40 | riot | jott: after upgrading, all my apps etc are gone, right? |
| 21:16.59 | jott | riot: make a backup. |
| 21:17.05 | riot | will i be able to use chinook repositories with diablo? |
| 21:17.10 | jott | or consider a fresh start :) |
| 21:18.01 | jott | yes, but diablo extras(-devel) have almost everything important in it nowadays. |
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| 21:18.23 | TZander | jott: is plasma in there yet? :P |
| 21:18.33 | riot | ok.. hmm. i'm gonna upgrade next week, then.. |
| 21:18.52 | jott | TZander: no, still need to put some effort in it. maybe i push some more packages tomorrow. |
| 21:19.22 | jott | but it plasma is in no chinook repository either, so :) |
| 21:19.25 | riot | oh another thing: is there a better unlock-keypad available? the stuff in chinook is TOO SMALL |
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| 21:20.15 | jott | after finally having a working cmake it should be fairly easy now. :) |
| 21:21.12 | TZander | jott: I saw various screenshots already. |
| 21:21.52 | TZander | jott: my main problem is size. Your / will be full if you have hilon as well as plasma on there. |
| 21:29.10 | jott | zumbi: yep, it's running but not in extras :) |
| 21:29.20 | jott | TZander: ^^ |
| 21:29.56 | jott | and using it from the internal 256mb flash is not very sane :P |
| 21:30.55 | jott | i use the 2gb for my / anyway, so no big space concerns .. |
| 21:31.51 | TZander | jott: I just flashed my n810 with a devel image and / then is your internal thing. |
| 21:32.09 | jott | yep, you need to clone it to the internal sd... |
| 21:32.14 | TZander | jott: So I'll probably have to compile to use /media/[something] |
| 21:32.38 | jott | it's pretty straight forward to use the 2gb card as root. |
| 21:32.49 | TZander | hmm, didn't consider that option yet. |
| 21:33.26 | jott | makes sense if you don't want to fight with every single wasted byte :) |
| 21:34.18 | TZander | it does. |
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| 21:35.54 | TZander | we need a good wiki with these tutorials. I've seen more useful ones in planetkde.org in the last week then I ever found on any maemo.org site :P |
| 21:36.30 | jott | there is wiki.maemo.org :) |
| 21:36.55 | TZander | which is practically empty |
| 21:36.58 | jott | http://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card hm though i must admit not the best :) |
| 21:37.39 | jott | but should do the job i guess |
| 21:38.25 | TZander | jott: ok, is it me or is there just no table of contents or other way to find these developer pages on the wiki? |
| 21:38.43 | TZander | going to the main page just gives you links to developer pages that are not on the wiki. |
| 21:38.44 | jott | the wiki is quite new (or better the mediawiki) |
| 21:38.59 | jott | it needs love, no question. |
| 21:39.47 | jott | but hey, it's a wiki everybody can (try to) improve it ;) |
| 21:39.51 | TZander | notest the continued meme of 'menu on the right'. |
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| 21:40.19 | TZander | I've noticed that a lot of nokia hardware is also easier to operate for left handed people. Makes me wonder about the finns. |
| 21:41.23 | qwerty12_N800 | Hmm, I've heard lots of lefties saying the opposite about the N8x |
| 21:41.24 | jott | didn't you know nokias chief consultant is ned flenders? :) |
| 21:41.24 | qwerty12_N800 | 0 |
| 21:42.19 | TZander | qwerty12_N800: apart from the pen being 'docked' on the right, its easier to use left handed for me. |
| 21:42.38 | TZander | At minimum I don't put my tumb on the eye that detects sunlight |
| 21:43.05 | qwerty12_N800 | For me, I'm always using both hands |
| 21:45.41 | Woefix | maemos wiki doesn't give much results when searching for "qt"... |
| 21:46.04 | jott | hmm. indeed. |
| 21:48.35 | Woefix | porting qt apps to maemo should be easy they say.. but that only counts for the helloworld application :D |
| 21:49.41 | jott | well generally (when there are no big dependency) it should be just a recompile :) |
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| 21:50.09 | jott | but you should consider the screen size :) |
| 21:51.19 | Woefix | compiling works.. |
| 21:51.39 | jott | hey i can even use the qt4 designer on the device which works fairly well .. |
| 21:52.10 | Woefix | really? :) |
| 21:52.44 | jott | yes. |
| 21:52.54 | Woefix | I suppose my qt program isn't written that well :( |
| 21:53.30 | Woefix | does QtScripting also works on maemo qt? |
| 21:53.41 | jott | why not? |
| 21:55.03 | Woefix | well it should.. if the device can find the QtScript library |
| 21:55.17 | jott | i wish there was a way to create widgets in the designer without drag and drop :/ |
| 21:55.46 | Woefix | héhé not easy on tablet I guess :) |
| 21:56.25 | jott | Woefix: everything should work (well some database drivers and opengl support are missing) - otherwise it's a bug. |
| 21:57.36 | jott | well, you need to have the "Docked Window" layout as you can't drag the stuff across multiple windows. and if you have, there is not much real screen space left ... |
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| 21:58.44 | jott | well maybe i think of some patch to make it usable, would be nice to layout widgets on the device. |
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| 22:00.46 | Woefix_ | Have I missed something? My internet is playing some tricks on me |
| 22:01.39 | jott | not sure where you disconnected :) |
| 22:02.41 | Woefix_ | last thing you said was: <jott> i wish there was a way to create widgets in the designer without drag and drop :/ |
| 22:03.31 | jott | (regarding qt4 maemo in general...) Woefix: everything should work (well some database drivers and opengl support are missing) - otherwise it's a bug. |
| 22:04.34 | jott | and i thought about patching designer to make it usable in fullscreen mode to layout widgets on the device :) |
| 22:05.31 | Woefix_ | when trying to run my app it says: Error while loading shared libraries: libqtscript.so.4.. |
| 22:06.01 | jott | hmm |
| 22:06.39 | jott | should be "libQtScript" |
| 22:07.18 | Woefix_ | yes, yes, I typed to fast.. |
| 22:07.26 | jott | ok, install libqt4-script |
| 22:09.51 | Woefix_ | done |
| 22:09.59 | Woefix_ | now libQtNetwork |
| 22:11.28 | Woefix_ | aha :) |
| 22:12.06 | Woefix_ | that's something already |
| 22:12.11 | Woefix_ | thanks |
| 22:14.22 | jott | Woefix_: does your app run now? |
| 22:14.59 | Woefix_ | yes it does :) |
| 22:15.37 | Woefix_ | But there's still a lot that needs to be fixed since I commented out half the program to make it work for Qt first (instead of Qtopia) :D |
| 22:15.45 | lbt | http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff3/freakyjohn101/grim_reaper.jpg |
| 22:15.49 | Woefix_ | need to fix menu/layout,... |
| 22:15.59 | lbt | that's me in the corner... |
| 22:16.33 | Woefix_ | wouldn't want to be at your place ;) |
| 22:17.09 | lbt | has had a bad day :( disk failures, raid rebuilds, kernel bugs, urgh |
| 22:17.51 | lbt | ~lart Samsung |
| 22:17.52 | infobot | hauls Samsung up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles |
| 22:18.14 | lbt | infobot sucks |
| 22:18.15 | infobot | only if you ask nicely and pay well. |
| 22:18.26 | qwerty12_N800 | ~$100 |
| 22:18.27 | infobot | ACTION gives qwerty12_n800 full service! |
| 22:19.56 | jott | you know you can get in jail for this infobot! |
| 22:20.13 | qwerty12_N800 | I wont grass infobot! |
| 22:20.34 | qwerty12_N800 | infobot: wanna come to my house? |
| 22:20.57 | jott | but google maybe will, if google finds out you are underaged. (and i bet google already knows) |
| 22:21.22 | GAN800 | now needs to figure out how to get the Beagle booting something interesting. |
| 22:21.33 | qwerty12_N800 | I'll bribe google... |
| 22:22.03 | lbt | feels sorry for qwerty12_N800 that he's paying an irc bot for full service ... and clearly it's not the first time. |
| 22:22.10 | qwerty12_N800 | <-- one fcuked up person |
| 22:22.17 | lbt | http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff3/freakyjohn101/grim_reaper.jpg |
| 22:22.37 | lbt | hey - at least the kernel guys are answering my emails :) |
| 22:22.45 | qwerty12_N800 | lbt's envious |
| 22:22.55 | lbt | is married ;) |
| 22:24.09 | jott | so lbt is REALLY envious :P |
| 22:24.17 | qwerty12_N800 | lol |
| 22:25.00 | lbt | is married to a trophy wife and has no kids... |
| 22:25.20 | lbt | 's wife *likes* being called a trophy wife :D |
| 22:25.32 | lbt | get's extra for that! |
| 22:26.04 | lbt | hmm, 'night all |
| 22:26.26 | qwerty12_N800 | meanwhile, lbt is /msg'ing infobot |
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