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| 00:07.42 | GeneralAntilles | Why do people insist on putting "RFE:" in the summaries of bugs that are clearly marked as enhancements? :\ |
| 00:08.09 | moontiger | cos people dont read |
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| 00:12.42 | GeneralAntilles | Man, how'd I miss this one? https://wiki.maemo.org/CFSONID |
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| 00:12.51 | GeneralAntilles | Wish that person had logged in. |
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| 00:14.03 | GeneralAntilles | Ahaha: https://wiki.maemo.org/Automatic_Muting_via_cron |
| 00:14.12 | GeneralAntilles | Anything that starts with those first two sections HAS to be deleted. |
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| 00:19.43 | moontiger | GeneralAntilles, is the wiki a paid job for you? |
| 00:19.51 | GeneralAntilles | Nope |
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| 00:20.17 | moontiger | so you just try to keep things clean and neat for the love of it? |
| 00:20.42 | GeneralAntilles | Well, that, and the karma whoring. :P |
| 00:21.04 | moontiger | ahhhhhhhhhh ... and the karma does what exactly? |
| 00:21.45 | GeneralAntilles | Well, there's actually no karma from the wiki yet |
| 00:21.56 | moontiger | is the wiki a nokia thing? |
| 00:22.11 | GeneralAntilles | But karma is factored into who gets the device discount codes, who gets sponsorships, and who is eligible for maemo.org Community Council candidacy. |
| 00:22.17 | GeneralAntilles | The wiki is a maemo.org thing. |
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| 00:22.24 | GeneralAntilles | there's just no karma plugin for it at the moment. |
| 00:22.37 | moontiger | and maeno.org isnt controlled by nokia? |
| 00:23.42 | GeneralAntilles | Not anymore |
| 00:23.52 | GeneralAntilles | That was one of the big points of the branding shakeup |
| 00:23.53 | Pebby | Hey guys, I'm just getting scratchbox set up and am getting an error on compiling that looks like this: /var/tmp/ccrKOgBw.s:16461: Error: selected processor does not support `pld [ip,#0]' -- any ideas? |
| 00:24.10 | GeneralAntilles | ~maemo-brand is https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_brand |
| 00:24.11 | infobot | GeneralAntilles: okay |
| 00:24.24 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia wanted to use the Maemo trademark for themselves |
| 00:24.31 | Pebby | Websearching only revealed that several other people were having trouble with 'pld' on arm platforms, not many solutions =/ |
| 00:24.38 | GeneralAntilles | But it wasn't a well regulated or controlled trademark |
| 00:24.53 | GeneralAntilles | Now we have Maemo and maemo.org (much like Mozilla and mozilla.org) instead of just maemo. |
| 00:24.53 | moontiger | did maemo exist pre nokia? |
| 00:24.58 | GeneralAntilles | maemo.org is the community |
| 00:25.02 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia created Maemo |
| 00:25.09 | GeneralAntilles | Maemo is Nokia |
| 00:25.16 | moontiger | ahhhh i c |
| 00:26.14 | moontiger | how did u get the wiki job? |
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| 00:27.48 | ShadowJK | .. |
| 00:28.03 | GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/%ED%95%9C%EA%B8%80 |
| 00:28.06 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody know what that is? |
| 00:28.32 | GeneralAntilles | Korean, I guess? |
| 00:28.33 | GeneralAntilles | Does anybody read Korean? :P |
| 00:29.18 | GeneralAntilles | moontiger, I'm just a volunteer |
| 00:29.23 | GeneralAntilles | The way any volunteer gets a job |
| 00:29.27 | GeneralAntilles | They step up and get to work. ;) |
| 00:29.54 | ShadowJK | slow wiki is slooow. |
| 00:30.01 | jott | GeneralAntilles: Seems to be http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hangul |
| 00:30.17 | rm_you | There is a disturbance in the force... |
| 00:30.23 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: pong? |
| 00:30.33 | moontiger | GeneralAntilles, what do you do for a paid job, if you dont mind me asking? |
| 00:30.48 | GeneralAntilles | throws a ping-pong paddle at rm_you's face. |
| 00:30.54 | GeneralAntilles | moontiger, fulltime student at the moment. |
| 00:31.00 | moontiger | ShadowJK, yes its slow for me too today |
| 00:31.02 | GeneralAntilles | I usually work in a used bookstore back home during the summer, though. ;) |
| 00:31.43 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm, how much of this is still relevant in ICD2? |
| 00:31.44 | GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Integrate_Bluetooth_networks_into_Connection_Manager |
| 00:32.00 | rm_you | GA is a student, yes? :P |
| 00:32.00 | rm_you | As are quite a few of us here <_< |
| 00:32.01 | GeneralAntilles | Honestly, I'd rather have an article detailing the various dummy connection packages (usbnet, PAN) |
| 00:32.10 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you is lag city, yes? |
| 00:33.10 | rm_you | heh, I was out |
| 00:33.15 | rm_you | and your message scrolled off |
| 00:33.26 | rm_you | all I know is that you messaged me, according to XChat <_< |
| 00:33.31 | GeneralAntilles | I don't even remember |
| 00:33.46 | rm_you | lol |
| 00:33.46 | moontiger | the wiki is very very slow right now for me |
| 00:33.46 | moontiger | students ahhhhh nice |
| 00:33.46 | GeneralAntilles | 770 issue, maybe? |
| 00:33.46 | GeneralAntilles | Something else? |
| 00:33.46 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno |
| 00:33.58 | moontiger | i used to be a student |
| 00:33.58 | moontiger | :) |
| 00:34.26 | GeneralAntilles | The server upgrades were seemingly going to take place on Monday. . . . |
| 00:34.32 | moontiger | GeneralAntilles, that bluetooth stuff is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy out of date |
| 00:34.36 | GeneralAntilles | That seems to not be happening, though. |
| 00:34.46 | GeneralAntilles | moontiger, you want to update it? :P |
| 00:35.07 | moontiger | just need bluetooth PAN package and voila! |
| 00:35.07 | moontiger | i use it :) |
| 00:35.26 | moontiger | i will yes ... how do i do that? |
| 00:35.41 | GeneralAntilles | Login, click edit at the top. |
| 00:35.51 | moontiger | my garage login? |
| 00:35.52 | GeneralAntilles | Though it'll probably change again soon. |
| 00:35.58 | mgedmin | gave up trying to set up PAN on Ubuntu |
| 00:36.09 | rm_you | I think i can actually login to wiki now :P |
| 00:36.10 | rm_you | yay |
| 00:36.18 | GeneralAntilles | Woo |
| 00:36.28 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: my awemazing-tastic switch got here today :P happy |
| 00:36.49 | GeneralAntilles | Time to shuffle lots of big files around. |
| 00:36.50 | rm_you | 24 port gigabit managed switch :P |
| 00:37.07 | rm_you | with rack mounting brackets :P |
| 00:37.10 | rm_you | I need to buy a rack |
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| 01:06.27 | moontiger | GeneralAntilles, i edited that page ... let me know if what i did sucks :) |
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| 01:09.11 | GeneralAntilles | Doesn't maemo-pan depend on the dummy network package? |
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| 01:13.43 | moontiger | it says that and it says that that gets installed automatically |
| 01:13.48 | moontiger | its a dependency |
| 01:15.44 | GeneralAntilles | Anyway, yeah, the content is fine |
| 01:15.51 | GeneralAntilles | I just need to touch up the formatting a bit. |
| 01:15.57 | Pebby | I'm not sure if it's a "bad-thing(tm)," but as to my prior problem involving 'processor does not support pld,' I just set my CFLAGS to use -march=armv5te |
| 01:16.35 | moontiger | GeneralAntilles, i wont be in the least offended if you completely re-edit it ... if i can help at all let me know :) |
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| 01:21.27 | GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_PAN#Installing |
| 01:21.37 | GeneralAntilles | er, https://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_PAN |
| 01:24.07 | Mousey | awesome! |
| 01:24.07 | lcuk_afk | nite chan |
| 01:25.23 | GeneralAntilles | puts cold water in lcuk's bed. |
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| 01:29.30 | Grackle_ | I don't seem to be able to get my NIT to work in ethernet gadget mode :/ |
| 01:30.45 | Grackle_ | If it's in peripheral mode with g_ether loaded and g_file_storage unloaded, then the device does not show up on the host at all (when looking using lsusb) |
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| 01:42.19 | rm_you | upgrading the firmware on my switch ^_^ |
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| 01:52.30 | moontiger | GeneralAntilles, that looks very nice :) |
| 01:52.49 | crashanddie | yeah, GeneralAntilles is quite the looker |
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| 02:25.42 | moontiger | crashanddie, heh i meant the page :)~ |
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| 03:08.17 | lopz | night |
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| 03:52.13 | moontiger | im outtie ... laterz |
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| 04:15.18 | gregorovius | I can't get _anyone_ to ship me an igo stowaway to south america for a reasonable price =/ |
| 04:16.54 | rm_you_ | :( |
| 04:17.51 | gregorovius | dunno why everyone on ebay is so us-centric |
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| 04:18.13 | gregorovius | and amazon only ships books & cds down here |
| 04:19.16 | rm_you_ | know anyone in the US? |
| 04:19.22 | rm_you_ | could get it shipped and reshipped <_< |
| 04:21.34 | gregorovius | maybe, but I'd rather not bother anyone, at least not if I have an option |
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| 04:50.29 | gregorovius | if anyone happens to find a decent price on an igo stowaway with worldwide shipping, please let me know =) |
| 04:50.41 | gregorovius | in the meanwhile, thumb cramps it is |
| 05:11.47 | Dekaritae | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0019K261G |
| 05:11.54 | Dekaritae | PNY P-SDHC32G4-FS 32GB |
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| 05:24.18 | Proteous | damn laggers, cluttering up the channel with clones |
| 05:25.15 | Proteous | in my day you would get k-lined for even saying the name clone |
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| 05:27.26 | Proteous | if they found out you were the same person connecting from two different IPs they would smurf you off the net |
| 05:28.03 | Proteous | nowdays kids can't even stay connected for two minutes |
| 05:28.09 | XTL | http://jcooney.net/archive/2007/02/01/42999.aspx |
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| 05:30.12 | bef0rd | haha |
| 05:33.21 | Grackle | usbnet to NIT with ssh socks proxy is working quite well for me right now |
| 05:33.31 | Grackle | has no wireless card but is using the NIT for wireless internet |
| 05:35.59 | Proteous | usbnet isn't wireless |
| 05:36.41 | Proteous | unless you some wireless usb hardware I guess |
| 05:37.03 | Proteous | s/you/you have/ |
| 05:37.46 | Grackle | Proteous, it's not wireless in that my setup involves wires, but I am not connected to the actual router with wires. |
| 05:39.07 | Proteous | heh |
| 05:41.46 | Proteous | so it's like wireless but with a slight USB teather |
| 05:42.38 | Grackle | It's like having a USB wireless adapter that has a cord instead of plugging directly into the port. |
| 05:42.47 | Grackle | Adapters like that are not uncommon. |
| 05:45.13 | XTL | Antenna that stands up on your desk |
| 05:45.44 | Proteous | although they probably don't call themselves "wireless" |
| 05:45.46 | XTL | Beats trying to get cables across doorways, halls and floors :) |
| 05:46.07 | Grackle | They most certainly do, Proteous. |
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| 05:46.46 | Proteous | hmm I think I finaly get what you azre descibing |
| 05:46.51 | Grackle | This is a stupid argument, anyway. It benefits me to be able to connect using a 3 foot USB cord instead of running an ethernet cable from the basement. End of story. |
| 05:47.14 | Proteous | no one is arguing |
| 05:47.37 | Grackle | Oh, if it's just a misunderstanding.. *finds an image* |
| 05:47.41 | Proteous | well, I guess you could be arguing with yourself |
| 05:48.11 | Proteous | I get it now, no worries |
| 05:48.23 | Grackle | http://www.vdhsoft.be/img_art/19495.jpg like one of these |
| 05:48.23 | XTL | Grackle: That's a setup I've been thinkin about, too, btw. |
| 05:48.36 | Grackle | gotta reboot my computer, I'll be right back |
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| 05:50.48 | Proteous | using a $400 device to replicate the funcionality of a $15 wireless usb dongle is sorta strange |
| 05:51.33 | Proteous | probable fun to mess around with but not overly practical |
| 05:52.31 | Proteous | although how many usb wireless dongles come with a built in battery backup |
| 05:52.46 | XTL | Using something you already have = $0 in equipment |
| 05:54.00 | Proteous | if you don't mind giving up the original porpose of the device while you use it |
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| 05:56.18 | Grackle | back |
| 05:56.26 | doc|home | front |
| 05:56.43 | Grackle | top |
| 05:57.25 | Proteous | just need to turn the IT into a caching proxy,make use of the extra processing power and attached screen |
| 05:57.47 | Proteous | maybe a firewall or something |
| 05:58.09 | Grackle | That could be handy. |
| 05:58.18 | XTL | You could talk do Darius Jack... |
| 05:58.26 | Proteous | preform man in the middle attacks on yourself |
| 05:59.01 | XTL | Would be fun to make a man in the middle proxy that shows a slideshow of captured images from unencrypted http etc |
| 05:59.08 | Proteous | heh |
| 06:01.07 | johnx | XTL, actually reminds me of one of the xscreensavers :) |
| 06:01.52 | XTL | johnx: Sort of like that |
| 06:02.33 | johnx | except getting the pics with ethereal (or some other packet sniffer) instead of random web searches |
| 06:02.59 | XTL | And that access point that turns images upside down |
| 06:03.05 | johnx | ahahaha |
| 06:03.13 | XTL | Or goatses :) |
| 06:03.29 | johnx | turning images upside down wins lots more points for subtlety |
| 06:03.38 | johnx | a 5px blur filter would be nice as well |
| 06:03.53 | XTL | Or modulating the colours |
| 06:04.09 | johnx | ahaha...new Web 3.0...in sepia tone |
| 06:04.48 | johnx | not quite as much fun to prank oneself though |
| 06:04.59 | XTL | No, you need some audience. |
| 06:05.19 | XTL | .. victims |
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| 06:55.14 | Stskeeps | morning qwerty12 |
| 06:55.24 | qwerty12 | Hey Stskeeps |
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| 07:24.09 | gatestone_ | Can anyone comment if, GSM pricing in USA is essentially more expensive than in Europe? I am thingking here like PDA usage, with reasonable amounts of data only |
| 07:25.05 | Stskeeps | i guess it's all about the data plan |
| 07:25.49 | gatestone_ | So what are the cheapest ones? In Finland the going rate is less than 10 euro for month, for unlimited or large cap plans... |
| 07:26.38 | GeneralAntilles | I've got an "unlimited" non-tethering plan from AT&T that I tether to anyway for $20/mo |
| 07:27.14 | GeneralAntilles | Call it $40-$60 a month to tether within the letter of your ToS. |
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| 07:49.10 | Dekaritae | http://www.getpeek.com/ |
| 07:53.18 | moontiger | that looks kind of interesting |
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| 07:53.46 | moontiger | but my n810 + bluetooth fone = 1000000x better |
| 07:55.17 | johnx | the hardware is what might be interesting :) |
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| 08:00.32 | Stskeeps | ick @ at the ugly keyboard |
| 08:02.01 | qwerty12 | bets that the device will be "locked" |
| 08:02.35 | Stskeeps | or running windows blowile |
| 08:03.22 | qwerty12 | doesn't mind winmo, lots of hacking possibilities |
| 08:04.32 | Stskeeps | i went berserk after a week with .NET Compact Framework |
| 08:05.01 | Stskeeps | which led to the worst meeting of my life where it was 2 hours of arguing |
| 08:05.13 | qwerty12 | heh :/ |
| 08:05.16 | Stskeeps | (which ended up with us switching to nokia tablets) |
| 08:05.20 | Stskeeps | (i won) |
| 08:05.34 | qwerty12 | Haha, nice:) |
| 08:06.53 | qwerty12 | can't decide over xmms2 or mpd :/ |
| 08:07.40 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:07.57 | XTL | qwerty12: I'll help you: Pick anything that's not winamp/xmms |
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| 08:08.18 | qwerty12 | XTL: mpd it is :D |
| 08:08.41 | XTL | They've caused enough terror and destruction :) |
| 08:08.49 | qwerty12 | It's quite useful actually using Sonata on the desktop to change tracks on my N800 :) |
| 08:10.24 | Jaffa | grumbles at Thoughtfix for http://tabletblog.com/2008/08/nokia-announces-ntropic-nseries.html |
| 08:11.13 | XTL | heh |
| 08:11.24 | Stskeeps | there is a fair bit of sarcasm in that post though |
| 08:11.35 | Jaffa | Not that I have a Nokia phone, but it's bad enough the links from planet can't be followed due to feedburner problems |
| 08:11.49 | qwerty12 | "Ntropic Location: GPS assist, allowing N800 users to use their phone's GPS for map software" <-- You can already do that. |
| 08:12.22 | Stskeeps | i think there scaringily would be a market for that product though |
| 08:12.22 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 08:12.58 | n800n | if they give me the gps |
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| 08:30.54 | lbt | FYI planet appears to be up... |
| 08:30.57 | Stskeeps | meh, they should port mpd to windows |
| 08:31.04 | RST38h | the miracle |
| 08:31.31 | lbt | meh, they should rewrite windows to run mpd |
| 08:32.43 | qwerty12 | Ouch... http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Windows_Compatibility |
| 08:32.49 | Stskeeps | oh, it supports esound |
| 08:32.51 | Stskeeps | good enough for me |
| 08:33.02 | Stskeeps | scaringily has a esound daemon on his media center |
| 08:33.24 | qwerty12 | Esd is the only thing that works for me on the tablet :/ |
| 08:33.40 | qwerty12 | I use libao on the tablet and libao is set to use esd |
| 08:33.57 | qwerty12 | Although it works quite well when using alsa09 on libao.conf |
| 08:34.14 | XTL | There is a windos esound? |
| 08:34.56 | XTL | I think I once wanted to go the other way.. |
| 08:35.15 | XTL | Can't remember the details. Have som win app send audio over the net |
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| 08:35.53 | moontiger | is there a way to capture tap events on a textview area? and figure out what text is was tapped on? |
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| 08:36.10 | moontiger | is-- |
| 08:37.44 | RST38h | esd is weird and evil |
| 08:37.45 | Stskeeps | XTL: winamp has esd plugin too afaik |
| 08:37.50 | RST38h | not documented too |
| 08:38.05 | XTL | RST38h: indeed |
| 08:38.31 | XTL | Of course it is from the E |
| 08:39.54 | Stskeeps | johnx: LXDE is decent on tablet |
| 08:41.25 | RST38h | XTL: Is the rest of the E similarly screwed and crufty? |
| 08:42.05 | XTL | RST38h: At least they seem to be huge and heavy |
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| 08:44.21 | RST38h | screams at linsux people: Stop building endless audio servers, m@#$%ckers! Just provide a reliable audio device! |
| 08:44.46 | XTL | Heh, "slapt-get is an APT-like system for Slackware package management. Slapt-get tries to emulate the features of Debian's apt-get as closely as possible." |
| 08:45.22 | Stskeeps | "and bugs"? |
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| 08:55.47 | rmrfchik | does it moo? |
| 08:57.49 | XTL | It better |
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| 09:03.01 | rmrfchik | each apt-get must moo |
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| 09:16.38 | logout128 | hello |
| 09:16.39 | lcuk_afk | does anyone know the simplest way to work on and compile a program for 2 different targets at the same time. i want to continue writing code for maemo but want it testable and usable on my x86 laptop as well - i dont want to have to checkin/out from each system and use a different editor etc |
| 09:17.00 | logout128 | could anyone please point me to Maemo 2.x SDK? the link on maemo.org seems to be broken |
| 09:17.25 | lcuk_afk | logout128, 2.x is rather old, is there a specific reason why you are using it |
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| 09:18.40 | logout128 | lcuk: yes, i still have OS2006 on my N770 |
| 09:18.42 | qwerty12 | Has a 770 I guess. |
| 09:19.21 | lcuk | i thought that yould update quite happily to os2007? must be wrong |
| 09:19.28 | logout128 | qwerty12: precisely |
| 09:19.34 | lcuk | logout128, then i dunno |
| 09:20.07 | logout128 | lcuk: os2007 requires swap on card most of the time, sometime freezes without particular reason and is horribly slow on N770 |
| 09:21.06 | lcuk | fair enough, i knew there were issues with running 2008 on a 770, from what i understood however 2007 has been recommended to lots of folks, i shall not mention it again :) |
| 09:21.23 | GeneralAntilles | Which link? |
| 09:22.14 | logout128 | GeneralAntilles: http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo-2-2--gregale-.html |
| 09:22.16 | logout128 | that one |
| 09:23.26 | lcuk | http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_2-2-gregale/ |
| 09:23.52 | lcuk | link is positively wrong on the dev page |
| 09:24.08 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 09:24.11 | logout128 | not cool at all |
| 09:24.12 | GeneralAntilles | That link is right in the sidebar. |
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| 09:24.49 | lcuk | but the big fat link in the middle is wrong |
| 09:24.56 | logout128 | well, http://maemo.org has no sidebar on the front page. but it has SDK link, which is wrong |
| 09:24.58 | GeneralAntilles | Meh, fixed now. |
| 09:25.17 | logout128 | thanks a lot |
| 09:25.25 | logout128 | let's install it |
| 09:25.26 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: You're right, g_serial is brilliant. I'm gonna add an option for usb_serial in initfs |
| 09:25.35 | lcuk | "roll up, roll up, hot SDK action, step inside, come in.........OMG YOU CHEATS ITS A WINDOWS VISTA PRESENTATION!" |
| 09:30.50 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: What do you think about a g_file_storage mod in initfs that will export mtdblock4 over usb? |
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| 09:59.52 | mikkov_ | anybody interested testing boswars from extras-devel? It can install data files (90MB) to mmc, so I would like to hear if it works |
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| 10:04.36 | lbt | so lcuk - how 'big' is liqbase? and if you ported it to SDL could you use it from a minimal (non-X) system.... like say initfs? |
| 10:04.54 | lbt | we wanted a gui bootmenu... |
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| 10:05.42 | qwerty12 | was unaware you could use sdl outside x ;). Surely you mean framebuffer? |
| 10:06.06 | lbt | I thought SDL was framebuffer - my mistake |
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| 10:06.37 | qwerty12 | Atm, I think it uses framebuffer but is linked to X11 libs |
| 10:06.41 | qwerty12 | is not lcuk :P |
| 10:07.49 | keesj | sdl really only provides a "surface" to draw on and the surface can be the framebuffer |
| 10:08.02 | qwerty12 | Ah, my bad, sorry. |
| 10:08.27 | lbt | yep - I think I associate SDL with framebuffer - and they are different |
| 10:09.01 | keesj | it currently uses the X11 backend it is therefore possible to create "windowed" apps |
| 10:09.52 | yacoob | qwerty12, sdl was designed as cross-platform media library, so it can use pretty much anything |
| 10:10.06 | yacoob | including aalib I think :) |
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| 10:11.09 | qwerty12 | yacoob: Ah :). I always thought it was X11 after only ever seeing it in X11 apps :). |
| 10:12.03 | qwerty12 | Does anyone know a bit about how g_file_storage works? |
| 10:14.46 | keesj | qwerty12: I do play with it on daily basis. please ask :p |
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| 10:15.27 | qwerty12 | keesj: thanks :D, hmm, does it find file systems to "export" over usb automatically or does it have to be specified on a command line? |
| 10:17.43 | qwerty12 | Ah, after reading osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh, I get a better idea of how it works :) |
| 10:18.07 | keesj | qwerty12 it can be done two ways |
| 10:18.34 | keesj | during modprobe you can give a number of block devices to export |
| 10:18.47 | keesj | (those can be real devices or simply files) |
| 10:19.00 | keesj | so you can export number of luns |
| 10:19.20 | qwerty12 | Ah, I see, thanks! |
| 10:19.23 | keesj | when the module is already loaded you can use sysfs to change the backing store |
| 10:20.12 | qwerty12 | Yep, great, thanks a lot, that's helped me quite a bit actually. |
| 10:22.19 | keesj | http://www.gelato.unsw.edu.au/lxr/source/drivers/usb/gadget/file_storage.c contains good documentation |
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| 10:50.24 | eichi | is there no way to enable bluetooth faster then going to the control center first? |
| 10:50.32 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: sounds interestig |
| 10:51.08 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Yeah, I'm working on it now that I understand it better (thanks keesj) |
| 10:51.16 | qwerty12 | eichi: Search for switchonbt |
| 10:51.31 | qwerty12 | Fingers crossed that my mtdblock4 doesn't get corrupted :D |
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| 11:07.17 | Binky | Ok, my 770 finally turned on after 15 mins in the fridge and three reboots |
| 11:08.01 | Binky | At first, it didn't want to power on unless it was connected to the charger |
| 11:08.29 | Binky | After that it showed white screens after each tap on the screen |
| 11:08.37 | Binky | And it finally worked |
| 11:08.55 | aquatix | Binky: you took it swimming? |
| 11:09.02 | Binky | Thank you all for pointing me to the solution |
| 11:09.07 | Binky | Nope.. |
| 11:09.49 | Binky | aquatix, i plugged it to the charger, i came to disconnect it 2 or 3 hours later |
| 11:10.01 | Binky | It was off and won't turn on |
| 11:10.15 | Binky | Until today ^^ |
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| 11:12.08 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: I've got mtdblock4 exported over usb, now I'm trying to make my computer believe it's an mtd device... |
| 11:12.35 | Stskeeps | it shows up only as a block device or? |
| 11:12.45 | Stskeeps | (0 size file) |
| 11:13.03 | qwerty12 | brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 80 2008-08-28 12:08 /dev/sdf |
| 11:13.23 | qwerty12 | Yeah, sdf is the only thing I'm getting from dmesg |
| 11:13.41 | qwerty12 | shit |
| 11:13.57 | qwerty12 | I unplugged and replugged the cable and the tablet switched off :/ |
| 11:15.44 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Here is my "function" to load g_file_storage etc. http://pastebin.com/d300f3d4 . I'm unsure as to whether I should use mtd4 or mtdblock4 as I am using now |
| 11:17.51 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: i don't have much experience with g_file_storage sorry |
| 11:18.33 | qwerty12 | No problems, I'll mess around and see what I get :) |
| 11:23.22 | lcuk | lbt, its not he size its the method (size is about 150kb or so) its the methodology - it expects YUV planes rather than RGB interleaved. of course this is arbitary and could be retargetted at some other point - ive been asked about porting to none Xv systems in the past and thinnk it is possible just not something im aiming towards at this point |
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| 11:32.54 | keesj | I have seen a real n800 user in the whild |
| 11:33.18 | keesj | a text writer |
| 11:39.17 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: interesting use of g_serial could be Recovery Applications for *nix/windows |
| 11:39.39 | Stskeeps | a toolset for fixing problems |
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| 11:40.42 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Yeah, sounds interesting. I'm actually quite liking g_serial more than g_ether because g_ether fails to work for me in Ubuntu and Windows. |
| 11:40.52 | Stskeeps | g_ether is easy in ubuntu |
| 11:40.59 | Stskeeps | modprobe usbnet; ifconfig usb0 inet 192.168.2.1 |
| 11:41.02 | Stskeeps | modprobe usbnet; ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.1 |
| 11:41.03 | Stskeeps | i mean |
| 11:41.28 | RST38h | Gentlemen, anybody experienced hangups from the updated version of Modest? |
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| 11:41.43 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: It was working for me once, but I think a kernel upgrade broke it :/ |
| 11:41.45 | RST38h | Where it gets stuck in memory, no longer checks for email and does not come up when you click on the Email icon? |
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| 11:45.46 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Ok, found something odd, I'm modprobing mtdblock and block2mtd etc, /sys/module/block2mtd/parameters/block2mtd contains /dev/sde which is my N800 but as soon as I modprobe jffs2 on the computer, the device quits the mass storage mode from bootmenu and shuts off :/ |
| 11:46.28 | andrewfblack | Morning guys qwerty12 I got your PM thanks |
| 11:46.47 | qwerty12 | morning, sorry about that, my internet got disconnected >.< |
| 11:47.12 | andrewfblack | its cool happens all the time |
| 11:47.33 | andrewfblack | to me atleast |
| 11:48.17 | qwerty12 | :) |
| 11:48.35 | andrewfblack | anyone ever use prisim for the tablet I can't get it to type numbers in it |
| 11:50.25 | crashanddie | prisim ? |
| 11:55.31 | andrewfblack | crashanddie its that app that gives a website a icon to load it from menu and runs inside its own window with no address bar(unless you want it) |
| 11:55.49 | crashanddie | ah, mozilla prism ? |
| 11:56.19 | crashanddie | andrewfblack, do you have an n800 or n810 ? |
| 11:56.23 | andrewfblack | n810 |
| 11:56.31 | andrewfblack | yeah sorry about the extra i lol |
| 11:56.37 | crashanddie | I don't know if it has been hildonised properly, are you using the hardware keyboard or software ? |
| 11:56.59 | andrewfblack | hardware I havn't checked the software one yet |
| 11:57.13 | crashanddie | erhm |
| 11:57.18 | crashanddie | hang on, there's someone in the house |
| 11:57.46 | XTL | the mouse? |
| 11:58.20 | Fatal | the spouse? |
| 11:58.26 | andrewfblack | lol |
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| 12:43.19 | lopz | hola |
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| 13:10.18 | Gary | erm, have they come out with a nice irc client for 4.2008.30.2 |
| 13:10.55 | RST38h | XChat |
| 13:13.11 | XTL | bah |
| 13:13.17 | Gary | I seem to fail at finding a download for that |
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| 13:16.47 | taplax | Gary: search from http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php |
| 13:18.01 | taplax | Gary: xchat seems to be in maemo extras-devel |
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| 13:24.58 | Gary | woot, thanks taplax |
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| 13:28.42 | Jaffa | Anyone who pushes packages to extras, keep an eye out for the "permission denied" and "lost connection" when using dput/scp. If spotted, please re-open #3354 |
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| 13:31.00 | l33t | thanks taplax :-) |
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| 13:32.33 | taplax | that is one of the best repository searching pages that i have found :) |
| 13:32.48 | l33t | I bet |
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| 13:33.18 | l33t | eek default font size is for someone with better eyes than me,brb |
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| 14:01.01 | rmrfchik | err. I can't install sdk on my amd64 box? |
| 14:01.02 | rmrfchik | wtf? |
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| 14:06.29 | l33t | co |
| 14:07.16 | lardman | rmrfchik: doesn't like 64bit |
| 14:07.31 | lardman | rmrfchik: you have to install it manually, or just edit the script to skip the check iirc |
| 14:07.42 | rmrfchik | but amd64 sure supports i386 |
| 14:09.08 | Jaffa | rmrfchik/lardman: there's a better way |
| 14:09.10 | Jaffa | hang on... |
| 14:09.29 | lardman | rmrfchik: depends if your distro is 64bit or 32bit? |
| 14:09.39 | rmrfchik | it's debian amd64 |
| 14:09.46 | Jaffa | rmrfchik/lardman: instructions for deploying on x86_64: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2043#c8 |
| 14:10.09 | lardman | Jaffa: thanks (I went back to 32bit on my Core Due anyway as silly things like flash work better) |
| 14:11.20 | rmrfchik | flash works find on my box ;) |
| 14:11.43 | lardman | ah well, thing have probably changed |
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| 14:13.27 | rmrfchik | setarch not found |
| 14:13.29 | rmrfchik | o_O |
| 14:15.02 | rmrfchik | just hacked the file |
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| 14:16.37 | Jaffa | rmrfchik: you don't have ia32-libs or something installed, then |
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| 14:17.20 | Jaffa | rmrfchik: if you don't need ia32-libs installed to get a working scratchbox, can you comment on #2043 please? |
| 14:17.21 | rmrfchik | i have ia32-libs. what is this "something" which contains setarch? |
| 14:25.17 | yacoob | shouldn't be maemo version of claws called 'pincers'? :) |
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| 14:29.50 | jott | yacoob: how about "fingernail"? :> |
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| 15:04.43 | qwerty12 | ~lart menuconfig |
| 15:04.43 | infobot | hurls dozens of incontinent, insomniac, hungry kittens with tiny little razor-sharp claws and a wide variety of contagious intestinal parasites at menuconfig |
| 15:05.37 | crashanddie | ~fart qwerty12 |
| 15:05.38 | infobot | ACTION farts in qwerty12's general direction |
| 15:05.45 | qwerty12 | lol |
| 15:05.59 | qwerty12 | stabs infobot |
| 15:06.19 | crashanddie | now you've opened the whole gas canister |
| 15:07.59 | qwerty12 | would like to use g_serial for a shell in initfs but when it's missing getty, it kinda makes it impossible :/ |
| 15:10.32 | crashanddie | lol @ #jobs |
| 15:10.58 | crashanddie | qwerty12, that was fast |
| 15:11.01 | qwerty12 | Aww, I thought it was going to be a good channel |
| 15:11.07 | crashanddie | qwerty12, don't think you're going to impress anyone |
| 15:11.10 | qwerty12 | qwerty12: I thought it was another job |
| 15:11.12 | crashanddie | qwerty12, plus I WAS FIRST ! |
| 15:11.23 | qwerty12 | s/qwerty12/crashanddie/ |
| 15:11.25 | qwerty12 | hehe |
| 15:11.34 | crashanddie | lol |
| 15:11.40 | crashanddie | talking to yourself now, eh ? |
| 15:11.43 | crashanddie | crashanddie, hey man |
| 15:11.49 | crashanddie | crashanddie, hey, how you doing ? |
| 15:11.57 | crashanddie | crashanddie, good, good, still looking for a job, all that |
| 15:12.09 | crashanddie | crashanddie, ah, yeah, I know how you feel, don't worry, it'll be alright man |
| 15:12.12 | qwerty12 | finds crashanddie's GP |
| 15:12.15 | crashanddie | crashanddie, yeah... I hope so |
| 15:12.27 | crashanddie | qwerty12, my GP ? |
| 15:12.34 | crashanddie | crashanddie, lol |
| 15:12.36 | crashanddie | crashanddie, lol yourself |
| 15:12.50 | qwerty12 | crashanddie: General practitioner |
| 15:12.56 | crashanddie | oooh |
| 15:13.00 | crashanddie | Don't have one |
| 15:13.16 | qwerty12 | ah, fine, this is a case for the hospital :P |
| 15:13.22 | qwerty12 | first sign of madness and all that... |
| 15:13.38 | crashanddie | crashanddie, he talking 'bout us ? |
| 15:13.41 | crashanddie | crashanddie, I reckon |
| 15:14.33 | crashanddie | qwerty12, can we ask you a question ? |
| 15:14.44 | qwerty12 | crashanddie: depends on what it is |
| 15:15.25 | crashanddie | qwerty12, we won't ask it, then |
| 15:15.41 | qwerty12 | hehe |
| 15:15.49 | _berto_ | uh, Intel acquires OpenedHand |
| 15:15.59 | crashanddie | HUH ? |
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| 15:16.09 | _berto_ | http://o-hand.com/ |
| 15:16.21 | _berto_ | i've just read it |
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| 15:16.38 | crashanddie | djeezus |
| 15:16.44 | Grackle_ | Wow. |
| 15:17.34 | crashanddie | Well... I guess I'm lucky they didn't hire me then |
| 15:18.14 | crashanddie | Plus, they have shitty company politics, no ethic whatsoever |
| 15:20.40 | qwerty12 | glibc is a whore |
| 15:21.05 | Grackle_ | Yeah I heard glibc links with just about everything |
| 15:21.47 | qwerty12 | All I've compiled is getty (and this is the busybox version) statically and it's 480KB :D |
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| 15:22.11 | qwerty12 | I'd use my uclibc toolchain but the binaries sometimes work with the initfs and sometimes don't :/ |
| 15:22.29 | Grackle_ | :/ |
| 15:23.42 | qwerty12 | I've upx'ed it down and it's gone to 220KB which is still bigger than I'd like but mildly reasonable :) |
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| 15:29.22 | johnx | returns from work... |
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| 15:35.49 | mgedmin | maemo mapper disappoints me |
| 15:36.03 | mgedmin | large cpu usage, large memory usage, frequent freezes |
| 15:36.13 | mgedmin | blames sqlite |
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| 15:36.42 | hrw | mgedmin: hi, I have one question to you |
| 15:37.33 | hrw | mgedmin: in Lithuania you have one road sign which I do not know... It is warning sign (triangle one) with black dot in center. What it means? |
| 15:37.49 | johnx | mgedmin, there's a patch to switch it from sql for map storage to stitched together jpgs |
| 15:37.52 | mgedmin | dangerous stretch of road; many accidents here; something like that |
| 15:38.24 | johnx | mgedmin, if you're interested I'll find you a link |
| 15:38.39 | hrw | mgedmin: thx |
| 15:39.03 | mgedmin | johnx: not really; too much hassle and I somehow doubt it would convert my map caches for me |
| 15:39.13 | johnx | there's a tool to do it |
| 15:39.15 | mgedmin | I'll just bitch here |
| 15:39.18 | lardman|gone | cu chaps on Sunday probably |
| 15:39.26 | johnx | 'night lardman|gone |
| 15:39.46 | johnx | mgedmin, fair enough, but it works a lot better IMHO and there's a nice .deb for it |
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| 15:40.38 | Khertan_n810 | Hello everyone ! |
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| 15:40.45 | johnx | hey Khertan_n810 |
| 15:40.47 | Khertan_n810 | everybody ! |
| 15:40.51 | Khertan_n810 | :o) |
| 15:44.52 | Khertan_n810 | there isn t many activity here |
| 15:45.11 | johnx | shrugs |
| 15:45.18 | johnx | maybe people are sleeping or something |
| 15:45.20 | qwerty12 | Even better, busybox 1.00's static getty compiled against uclibc is 49KB compared to 1.61's which is 69KB compiled against the same |
| 15:45.22 | johnx | I know I should O_o |
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| 15:45.48 | Khertan_n810 | johnx: sleeping at 17h45 :) |
| 15:45.54 | Khertan_n810 | gmt |
| 15:46.20 | qwerty12 | johnx: what's the time over there? :) |
| 15:46.25 | qwerty12 | oh, I'm lazy |
| 15:46.28 | qwerty12 | I'll google :) |
| 15:46.28 | johnx | 0:46 |
| 15:46.32 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 15:46.42 | qwerty12 | wow :/ |
| 15:46.51 | johnx | qwerty12, I live in the future :) |
| 15:47.07 | qwerty12 | hehe :) |
| 15:48.29 | johnx | I can tell you about the future: The trains are crowded and the gas prices are high :P |
| 15:49.04 | Khertan_n810 | ll have a furious enjoy if he can slap some google developpers ! |
| 15:49.23 | qwerty12 | Lol, gas prices are the same in the past in that case :P |
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| 15:51.18 | johnx | Khertan_n810, more fun dealing with their API? |
| 15:52.41 | johnx | wow...why is gas so expensive in the UK? |
| 15:53.07 | qwerty12 | johnx: everything driving related is :/ |
| 15:53.38 | Khertan_n810 | look in france |
| 15:53.49 | Khertan_n810 | with 80% tax |
| 15:54.01 | johnx | aaah, taxes I guess |
| 15:54.24 | johnx | qwerty12, car insurance is pretty crazy here (from what I hear) |
| 15:54.25 | Khertan_n810 | 1,52 Euro/L |
| 15:54.53 | johnx | gah...the fun of multiple currency/unit conversions... |
| 15:55.23 | qwerty12 | johnx: heh, but here, you get charged on a lot of stuff :/. toll roads, car tax, they want the congestion charging zone extended etc |
| 15:55.58 | johnx | qwerty12, same here. There's huge tolls to actually get anywhere at all |
| 15:56.09 | johnx | almost makes it cheaper to use the train a lot of the time... |
| 15:56.24 | Khertan_n810 | johnx: yep ... their api suck ! |
| 15:56.42 | Khertan_n810 | many 104 error : reset by peer |
| 15:56.51 | Khertan_n810 | reinit the connection ... |
| 15:56.57 | johnx | Khertan_n810, weak sauce :/ |
| 15:57.09 | Khertan_n810 | and try to get the next event |
| 15:57.29 | Khertan_n810 | and the result is that an endless call |
| 15:57.41 | Khertan_n810 | s/that/that i get |
| 15:57.58 | Khertan_n810 | and noway to detect it |
| 15:58.03 | qwerty12 | arrgh, I can't get getty to start in the initfs >.<. I'm going to have to boot maemo and check the logs :/ |
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| 15:59.14 | Khertan_n810 | and calling only one event is really really slow |
| 15:59.42 | johnx | tries to figure out how hildon menus get popped up when matchbox window titles get clicked |
| 16:00.16 | Khertan_n810 | s/callling/calling details on |
| 16:01.08 | qwerty12 | johnx: look in the hildon-desktop source, there will be similar code there too for the desktop "home" menu |
| 16:01.42 | johnx | hmm...maybe |
| 16:01.51 | johnx | I just had a funny thought though... |
| 16:02.13 | qwerty12 | Well, I just killed matchbox and the menu for the desktop still worked :) |
| 16:02.37 | Khertan_n810 | huhu just see the joomla hole |
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| 16:02.48 | Khertan_n810 | very nice sql injection |
| 16:03.03 | Khertan_n810 | just with a quote |
| 16:03.32 | aquatix | Khertan_n810: where? what? |
| 16:04.14 | johnx | my goal is to replace matchbox with another wm...but I still want to be able to get windows to open their menu with a title-bar click... |
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| 16:19.51 | johnx | heh...the nice, easy hacky way might just be to send "F4" to the app |
| 16:19.52 | mgedmin | what's the jabber resource priority that telepathy uses? |
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| 16:20.17 | mgedmin | I'm connected to a jabber server on my laptop and on my n810, and incoming messages appear on the n810 instead of the laptop |
| 16:20.25 | mgedmin | typing answers works better on a laptop |
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| 16:23.53 | ||cw | mgedmin: that should be configurable |
| 16:24.00 | mgedmin | yes |
| 16:24.08 | ||cw | default is probably 0 |
| 16:24.09 | mgedmin | I can configure the priority in gajim |
| 16:24.24 | mgedmin | are larger numbers better? |
| 16:24.32 | ||cw | no, less |
| 16:24.41 | mgedmin | hmm |
| 16:24.44 | ||cw | IIRC |
| 16:24.53 | ||cw | been a while since i messed with jabber in that way |
| 16:31.41 | qwerty12 | reboots to try g_serial in windows |
| 16:33.31 | jott | johnx: you need implement the XClientMessageEvent atom _MB_GRAB_TRANSFER |
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| 16:34.06 | johnx | jott, awesome! hopefully I'll just be able to yank it from matchbox |
| 16:34.25 | jott | johnx: and look for _NET_WM_CONTEXT_CUSTOM |
| 16:35.07 | johnx | thanks :D |
| 16:35.08 | jott | (as a wmprotocol atom that can be registered) |
| 16:37.03 | jott | johnx: which wm do you plan to modify? |
| 16:37.13 | johnx | I don't really know yet |
| 16:37.25 | johnx | I'm looking at tabbed window managers |
| 16:39.34 | johnx | I'd like to keep the applications as is, but I'm not really sold on the hildon-desktop |
| 16:40.04 | johnx | and xfce, lxde, gnome, kde, etc are really wasteful of screen real estate |
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| 16:40.21 | jott | something like ion or dwm? |
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| 16:40.50 | johnx | jott, that's the idea |
| 16:41.02 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 16:41.04 | johnx | at this point I'm not really commited to anything |
| 16:41.34 | jott | johnx: i think dwm/wmii are pretty easy hackable. |
| 16:41.42 | jott | and do not have much dependencies :) |
| 16:42.24 | johnx | I think I'll do a quick mockup of what I'm thinking |
| 16:44.46 | XTL | hmm |
| 16:45.38 | jott | johnx: ah right dwm was the one i had in mind of hackability - one c file with ~1800 lines :) |
| 16:46.30 | johnx | jott, cool. I'm looking at screenshots now. it might be what I want (or at least a good thing to test with) |
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| 17:17.22 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, what are the odds of Nokia going with an Atom-based system for the Nokia n9xx series ? |
| 17:18.12 | mikkov_ | 0 |
| 17:18.26 | johnx | about the same as them putting in atom in their next phone |
| 17:19.14 | jott | they also contribute omap3 code to the omap linux branch... |
| 17:19.50 | crashanddie | so you three guys are in fact GA clones? I KNEW IT ! |
| 17:19.56 | lcuk | :D Lol |
| 17:20.03 | crashanddie | anyway, thanks for confirming my thoughts |
| 17:20.11 | johnx | crashanddie, nope. I'm just allowed to speak for him in this case |
| 17:20.14 | lcuk | http://www.handcellphone.com/wp-content/uploads/intel-atom_1-3-5-08.jpg |
| 17:20.17 | glass | atom would make it pretty expensive, no? |
| 17:20.31 | lcuk | it was just a thought |
| 17:20.35 | jott | glass: more pretty big and power hungry :) |
| 17:20.39 | qwerty12_N800 | it's a clever trick, they contribute code to linux omap but are really going to release atom with vista for next tablet |
| 17:20.41 | johnx | glass, and hot, and short of battery life, and bigger |
| 17:20.55 | glass | jott: well that too, but bigger battery=more expensive and so on |
| 17:21.44 | lcuk | have you seen the size of the n okia resaerch labs? it was just a thought: with all the atom mids being announced is it unreasonable to suggest nokia might actually be looking at them themselves |
| 17:22.42 | jott | well they most likely have some things in their research labs. |
| 17:23.00 | johnx | lcuk, yeah, I'd be willing to say so actually |
| 17:23.02 | glass | mysterious big underground caverns |
| 17:23.06 | glass | well no really |
| 17:23.22 | glass | my last apartment i could see 3 huge nokia signs from |
| 17:23.29 | crashanddie | The Dark Knight was partially filmed in the Nokia R&D HQ |
| 17:23.46 | lcuk | :O batmans alter-ego is quim gil! |
| 17:24.13 | crashanddie | no |
| 17:24.17 | andrewfblack | ok I got a question for you guys I spend most of my day online but I use 3 to 4 computer throughout the day including work ones but not including my tablet. I hate not having all my files and bookmarks and suck all with me is there an easy to to sync everything between my computer I've used several things but never found anything I like |
| 17:24.18 | johnx | lcuk, There's way too much going for the omap I think, from Nokia's point of view for them to consider something else for a niche, parts bin product line |
| 17:24.55 | jott | and they showcased omap 3 in dark knight, though i am sure they need to clear some things with FCC :D |
| 17:25.00 | crashanddie | Quim in Hungarian means sonar, and Gil in Swahili means predator |
| 17:25.43 | lcuk | johnx, as i say, it was just a thought :) sparking discussion |
| 17:26.05 | lcuk | crashanddie, omg he IS the dark knight |
| 17:26.15 | johnx | lcuk, no offence meant or anything, but I've been involved in this discussion a couple million times on ITT |
| 17:26.19 | jott | lcuk just wants a windows vista based tablet :D |
| 17:26.19 | lcuk | makes a mental note to call him Bruce |
| 17:26.25 | johnx | I wrote a short novel on the subject if you're interested :) |
| 17:26.42 | lcuk | jott, ewwwww no way would i dev for microsoft not |
| 17:26.44 | lcuk | w |
| 17:26.49 | lcuk | lol john |
| 17:26.59 | lcuk | not now that liqbase works on my laptop |
| 17:27.08 | lcuk | well sortof kindof works |
| 17:27.20 | crashanddie | cloudreader is starting to work pretty decently on my laptop |
| 17:27.48 | crashanddie | even though having it in 1280x800 makes it hard to have enough tags to find anything to scroll :P |
| 17:28.06 | jott | just increase the font size :) |
| 17:28.11 | lcuk | crashanddie, i needed a second networkable machine to test collaborative whiteboarding and since i dont have another n8x0 yet i had to do something |
| 17:28.24 | crashanddie | lcuk, understandably |
| 17:28.53 | lcuk | jott, on mine i have to decrease the font size - it is currently visible from orbit (TM) :) |
| 17:29.35 | jott | lcuk: you could test it from your work place ;) |
| 17:29.42 | crashanddie | lcuk, did you ever encounter a problem when switching to dbus startup ? I have random crashes, not reproducible from the console |
| 17:29.42 | lcuk | :D heh i can |
| 17:29.50 | jott | (i gathered you can see your screen at home more or less from there :) |
| 17:29.54 | lcuk | dbus startup? |
| 17:30.00 | crashanddie | lcuk, via the menu |
| 17:30.06 | crashanddie | jott, VNC has that effect |
| 17:30.07 | lcuk | what do you mean |
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| 17:30.18 | crashanddie | lcuk, adding a shortcut in the maemo menu |
| 17:30.40 | jott | crashanddie: nah, vnc is pathetic :/ |
| 17:30.40 | lcuk | no, i have a liqbase_run.sh script which is called by the menu item |
| 17:30.52 | lcuk | that calls sudo liqbase :) |
| 17:30.58 | lcuk | from the right folder |
| 17:31.01 | qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie: 15 seconds crashes with dbus usually means it's not initalized right |
| 17:31.13 | crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, ah ? |
| 17:31.24 | crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, I'm going to have to eat your brain though, one of these days, you know too much |
| 17:31.36 | crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, linky link ? |
| 17:31.41 | lcuk | qwerty12_N800, IS the IBM linux kid |
| 17:31.56 | lcuk | actually, no he isnt - the kid from linuxtag bowels is |
| 17:32.06 | lcuk | jott, do you remember seeing him around |
| 17:32.28 | qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie: are the service names correct, are you calling osso_initalize etc ( i think), i'm not hot on dbus myself |
| 17:32.35 | crashanddie | translation for northerners: "the ki' fro' lynuxteeg bols is" |
| 17:32.36 | jott | lcuk hmm there where some kids playing with lego :P |
| 17:32.45 | qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie: lol |
| 17:32.50 | lcuk | lego robots and stuff yer |
| 17:32.58 | crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, none of those |
| 17:33.23 | crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, well, service names are correct, obviously, but osso_initialise can go fuck itself :P |
| 17:33.51 | crashanddie | I'll look into it, thanks for the hint Q |
| 17:33.53 | crashanddie | OMG |
| 17:33.56 | qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie: heh, let me search that reference pdf |
| 17:33.58 | crashanddie | qwerty12 IS Q |
| 17:34.35 | qwerty12_N800 | yep, my favourite weapon is a British qwerty keyboard |
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| 17:37.08 | lcuk | any idea how i use the same code to build for x86 and maemo at the same time? |
| 17:37.32 | qwerty12_N800 | searches for my 1/2 assed rott port, that uses dbus w/out osso_initalize thanks to solmumaha |
| 17:37.40 | johnx | lcuk, that's the problem scratchbox was invented to solve |
| 17:37.45 | johnx | I bet you didn't want to hear that... |
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| 17:39.17 | lcuk | no johnx - i want 2 binaries out of the same source so i can run on both |
| 17:39.30 | lcuk | i think i need to sync however - the .o files and binaries will conflict |
| 17:39.45 | jott | lcuk: just build out of source then... |
| 17:39.52 | johnx | lcuk, right, you need to do the equiv of "make clean" first |
| 17:40.11 | johnx | rm *.o *.so liqbase-bin |
| 17:40.33 | lcuk | johnx, ill just decide on a primary source editing location, then to build sync it to the x86 and run build on both machines |
| 17:40.50 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:41.12 | johnx | lcuk, fair enough, but in scratchbox you don't need to move the source around, just build once, switch targets, and build again |
| 17:41.21 | jott | lcuk: you could also use symlinks/hard and or mount your remote directory .. |
| 17:41.40 | lcuk | jott, yes i have sshfs or whatever it is called available |
| 17:42.49 | lcuk | is still pleased as punch it works on both sides |
| 17:43.35 | jott | lcuk: as always your problem has a vast amount of solutions :) |
| 17:43.48 | lcuk | yer |
| 17:43.56 | lcuk | im gettin used to that now, and its not a bad thing |
| 17:44.34 | lcuk | ahhh jott, one more question - alpha blending, currently i am blending the entire image - do you normally expect to use it with a full alpha channel (ie from a png) |
| 17:44.52 | lcuk | or for now is arbitary blend0..255 option enough |
| 17:45.08 | jott | well normally you have an alpha channel. |
| 17:45.43 | lcuk | so i need a create alpha from image (for jpegs etc) and give it a mask color |
| 17:46.00 | lcuk | obviously pngs have a full channel |
| 17:46.38 | lcuk | wonders how to do alpha channels with 2 different sized images |
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| 17:48.37 | jott | http://o-hand.com/ oh it's intel now. |
| 17:48.49 | lcuk | hence the question earlier.. |
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| 17:50.01 | jott | lcuk: well i expect an image to have an alpha channel, the blending operation has a constant value. |
| 17:50.28 | jott | i wonder how nokia thinks about the aquistion... |
| 17:51.15 | lcuk | yes, its a combine of the pixelperhaps certain staff members wishift back under the nokia umbrella, or nokia themselves dont care |
| 17:51.31 | lcuk | shit - wasnt finished answerin the blend q |
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| 17:51.45 | jott | haha answer mesh up :D |
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| 17:52.38 | johnx | grrr...fluxbox really doesn't behave well with only one "mouse button" |
| 17:53.50 | lcuk | yes, its a combine of the specified blend with the actual pixel blend attempting to be blitted |
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| 17:58.34 | crashanddie | johnx, well, it was designed as a two buttoned environment |
| 17:59.03 | johnx | yeah, I know. but some things "degrade" more gracefully from 2 or 3 buttons to 1 |
| 17:59.27 | johnx | without two buttons theres no way to close desktop menus for example... |
| 17:59.38 | crashanddie | yup |
| 17:59.55 | XTL | Or play Sam & Max |
| 18:00.07 | johnx | auditions more WMs |
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| 18:07.17 | lcuk | ok jott, ive transformed the algo to include a "fake" alpha channel (just the regular data channel) and it appears to work still, ill thread that in the code and when i have an alpha channel available i will make use of it - otherwise i will use the standard simple blend |
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| 18:21.17 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, less than zero |
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| 18:46.12 | GeneralAntilles | RogerS with yet another lackluster overly dramatic blog post. |
| 18:46.50 | johnx | but hey, on the other hand, the thread on UI discussions is terrifyingly civil |
| 18:47.03 | johnx | like people got tired of constantly flaming |
| 18:47.37 | GeneralAntilles | I don't get the stylus-only approach. |
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| 18:48.05 | johnx | it's the people who started on Palms |
| 18:48.14 | johnx | or winMo devices or whatever |
| 18:48.30 | lbt | or who value the precision... |
| 18:49.15 | lbt | BTW, johnx, you mentioned a maemo-mapper db patch earlier |
| 18:49.16 | johnx | but that's more like the stylus-sometimes, thumbs for quick tasks group |
| 18:49.25 | johnx | precision when you need it, etc |
| 18:49.37 | lbt | oh, OK, yes, mixed stylus and occasional fingers |
| 18:49.53 | lbt | I need to make my shopper more finger friendly :) |
| 18:50.07 | lbt | (finger scrolling in gtk would be a nice start!) |
| 18:50.23 | johnx | lbt, http://code.google.com/p/mmpcmapper/ |
| 18:50.48 | lbt | ta |
| 18:51.37 | johnx | sure, it seems to work rather well, but it's not updated to track the very latest maemo mapper releases |
| 18:51.43 | johnx | it's only up to 2.3 IIRC |
| 18:51.50 | lbt | This project is to develop a collection of **Windows** PC software |
| 18:52.07 | lbt | is it? |
| 18:52.09 | lbt | just windows stuff I mean? |
| 18:52.11 | johnx | don't pay attention to that part :) |
| 18:52.43 | johnx | nah, it's some windows tools and the modified maemo mapper binaries |
| 18:52.48 | johnx | (and a patch I think) |
| 18:52.57 | qwerty12_N800 | johnx: that would be good combined with shuma's patch to draw maps faster or something like that |
| 18:53.07 | lbt | yes, OK, it takes some reading... :) |
| 18:53.20 | johnx | qwerty12_N800, I didn't even know about that |
| 18:53.39 | johnx | lbt, yeah, it looks like it's updated kind of randomly, a bit at a time |
| 18:54.34 | qwerty12_N800 | johnx: yeah, he made a mod of mm that can overlay google traffic amd i'm pretty sure he speeded up drawing... let me bring it up |
| 18:54.49 | johnx | qwerty12_N800, ah, I saw that part |
| 18:55.06 | johnx | yeah, that would be neat, but without a GPS I don't use maemo mapper all that much :/ |
| 18:55.33 | qwerty12_N800 | should merge these 2 forks together |
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| 18:56.37 | lbt | johnx: I got a cheapo BT GPS logger as suggested by GA - kinda interesting... |
| 18:56.56 | johnx | yeah, I need to get one soon |
| 18:57.16 | derf | Cheapo BT GPS = <3 |
| 18:57.31 | johnx | a *good* bt gps and a persistent data connection are on my "really want list" |
| 18:57.39 | GeneralAntilles | I started on a Newton |
| 18:57.44 | GeneralAntilles | and I still don't understand. :P |
| 18:57.58 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, you obviously don't have problems coping with change |
| 18:58.02 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
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| 18:58.12 | lcuk | no, he still uses his newton |
| 18:58.20 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, right, that's the point I was getting at... |
| 18:58.20 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, there's hardly a difference between a cheap GPS and a good GPS these days. |
| 18:58.51 | johnx | yeah, I guess I should just find someplace that ships internationally and pull the trigger then... |
| 18:58.54 | lbt | johnx: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/i-Blue-747-Bluetooth-GPS-Data-Logger-51-Ch-Navigation_W0QQitemZ160276831078QQ |
| 18:59.03 | jott | GeneralAntilles: tell that the nokia engineers :P |
| 18:59.23 | tank-man | i got that gps unit, quick to lock on |
| 18:59.25 | GeneralAntilles | Well, OK, s/GPS/Bluetooth GPS/ |
| 18:59.25 | lcuk | theres nothing wrong with the chip, its the antenna thats the problem |
| 18:59.37 | GeneralAntilles | The chip sucks too |
| 18:59.40 | johnx | lcuk, no, there's something wrong with the chip :) |
| 18:59.48 | GeneralAntilles | It's an AGPS dependent piece of junk. :P |
| 18:59.56 | tank-man | err, not that unit. my bad |
| 18:59.56 | lcuk | winmodem :D |
| 18:59.57 | lbt | yes, and it logs data, and there is unix support |
| 19:00.00 | johnx | and it's the bottom of the barrel in that category too |
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| 19:00.24 | johnx | lbt, I'll probably just get a normal BT GPS...I don't think I have much use for data logging |
| 19:00.58 | lbt | almost the same price - and it means you get GPS data without needing the tablet. |
| 19:01.11 | johnx | the tablets always on me though |
| 19:01.14 | danielvaz | anybody know how to implement inertial effect on scrooling a graphic at a gtk.DrawingArea? |
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| 19:01.20 | lbt | not when I'm skiing |
| 19:01.34 | johnx | I can't carry my tablet when you ski? |
| 19:01.45 | lbt | <grin> |
| 19:01.47 | johnx | :P |
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| 19:01.58 | lbt | and I want to save what routes I've done... 'cos I never read the trail maps... |
| 19:02.15 | moontiger | lbt, hey :) |
| 19:02.21 | lbt | hi moontiger |
| 19:02.23 | johnx | whatever I can get shipped for the cheapest will likely determine what I buy... |
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| 19:02.39 | moontiger | lbt, do u have an email i can send you some thoughts on the shopper app? |
| 19:03.22 | lbt | there you go |
| 19:03.35 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, just make sure it's MTK |
| 19:04.14 | lbt | I'm adding the help and then I think I'll push it to extras as a first public release (barring any bugs/tweaks of course) |
| 19:04.21 | johnx | so MTK is what the cool kids have now? |
| 19:04.50 | tank-man | yea that chipset is good |
| 19:04.54 | lbt | I did a fair amount of research and the i-Blue range came up a lot as a good buy |
| 19:05.34 | lbt | I think they use the mtk chipset... yes |
| 19:06.01 | tank-man | you can leave it in the glove compartment in a car and still lock on |
| 19:06.56 | lbt | and it works with heated front screens too :) |
| 19:07.04 | lbt | in case you need that ;) |
| 19:09.22 | johnx | is there only one "mtk" chipset? or all they all equally good? |
| 19:09.48 | GeneralAntilles | MTK and MTK+ |
| 19:09.54 | GeneralAntilles | There's not a huge difference, though. |
| 19:10.10 | johnx | guh, $30 shipping on a $43 gps... |
| 19:10.12 | GeneralAntilles | I'd just get the regular old i-Blue 737 and be done with it. |
| 19:10.18 | GeneralAntilles | Can't buy locally? |
| 19:10.41 | johnx | I really haven't seen many (any?) locally |
| 19:10.54 | johnx | it's all complete GPS/mobile tv receivers |
| 19:11.35 | johnx | plus, everyone's cell phone has gps and everyone's car, too |
| 19:11.37 | lcuk | danielvaz, kinetic scrolling is essentially holding the latest mouse delta then for every frame whilst you still have a delta you adjust the offset (and decrease the delta by a fraction) |
| 19:12.05 | lcuk | (fraction is based on time since last position update |
| 19:12.39 | danielvaz | thanks lcuk :) |
| 19:14.01 | moontiger | i use a sirf3 based navibe and it rocks |
| 19:14.03 | lcuk | delta=(lastmouse.y-mouse.y); pos+=delta; render(); then once per frame: if(delta) { pos+=delta--; render(); } |
| 19:15.06 | GeneralAntilles | MTK is cheaper, more efficient and more agile than SiRF III |
| 19:16.07 | johnx | I've been out of the GPS game for so long I don't even know the features. this ebay ad talks about "sensibility" and 'every low electricity cost' in addition to a 'humanized design' |
| 19:17.56 | GeneralAntilles | Clearly you should buy that one ASAP. :P |
| 19:18.21 | johnx | heh...it also has free shipping... |
| 19:19.12 | lcuk | lbt, this made me think of you http://www.phun.org/newspics/funny_friday/3019.jpg |
| 19:19.33 | lbt | cool - a logo :) |
| 19:20.11 | lcuk | heh |
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| 19:39.29 | moontiger | i heard that MTK isnt as good for walking and other slow speeds |
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| 19:41.37 | GeneralAntilles | Eh, I don't have any trouble there |
| 19:41.41 | GeneralAntilles | and I do a lot of slow tracking |
| 19:41.56 | GeneralAntilles | Either way, the power consumption is SIGNIFICANTLY better than SiRF III |
| 19:43.05 | johnx | I'll grab an i-blue 737 as soon as I can find one with *reasonable* shipping costs |
| 19:43.23 | johnx | <mumbles>there has to be one locally... |
| 19:44.03 | moontiger | hmmmmm ok ... mine works great for me so i guess in practical terms its all the same |
| 19:44.04 | moontiger | :) |
| 19:44.18 | moontiger | johnx, the 737 is for the track history stuff yes? |
| 19:44.34 | johnx | er, I think that was the 747 |
| 19:44.49 | lbt | yep, 747 has a logger |
| 19:44.51 | johnx | if I need to keep a track, I'll just pair it to the tablet |
| 19:48.49 | moontiger | right |
| 19:49.02 | moontiger | i was going to say also that the logger stuff was apparently crap anyways :) |
| 19:50.26 | lbt | it's not :) |
| 19:50.54 | lbt | it works really well actually - I can download it to Viking |
| 19:51.29 | GeneralAntilles | Why crap? |
| 19:51.41 | GeneralAntilles | It just stores a track to its internal memory that you can dump to a computer. |
| 19:51.55 | GeneralAntilles | Simple, sure, but what more would you want? |
| 19:52.46 | lbt | oh, and you can press the button on the device to basically say 'mark' |
| 19:53.54 | johnx | thanks for all the advice guys. I'm off to bed |
| 19:56.29 | Stskeeps | nini johnx |
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| 20:08.14 | Stskeeps | stretches |
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| 20:36.52 | moontiger | i read a big review of it and apparently the data gets lost easily and has a windows app to actually get the data from the device |
| 20:37.02 | moontiger | maybe they improved it in the last year |
| 20:39.38 | moontiger | i did a bunch of research before buying the one i have and since it "just works" (tm) i didnt keep up with newer stuff |
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| 20:44.31 | Anunakin | NSP2 compiled for Maemo 4.1, not hildonized .... |
| 20:44.31 | Anunakin | http://maemo.vivaphp.net/pool/nsp2-cvs_20080828_armel.deb |
| 20:45.54 | jott | Anunakin: what's NSP2? |
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| 20:53.40 | Anunakin | jott: A matlab like software http://cermics.enpc.fr/~jpc/nsp-tiddly/mine.html |
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| 20:53.54 | Anunakin | jott: but it not using same syntax... |
| 20:54.25 | Anunakin | NSP2 is the new name of scilabGTK |
| 20:59.55 | lbt | moontiger: the reason I bought the iBlue 747 is the availability of opensource linux connectivity/drivers : http://bt747.wiki.sourceforge.net/ |
| 21:00.21 | moontiger | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh awesome .... maybe i should get one too :) |
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| 21:00.42 | BULLE | anyone here got any clues on the future of the tablet os, now when nookia bought trolltech, and seem to push QT aswell ? will they push a gtk+ and qt in some mixed setup ? |
| 21:01.02 | lbt | it looks like it |
| 21:01.11 | BULLE | im a bit worried of having to waste my precious ram on yet another gu library |
| 21:01.26 | lbt | ah well |
| 21:02.01 | BULLE | as gtk+ and the current tabletos seems to be based on several of the gnome support libs |
| 21:02.09 | BULLE | whereas qt rolls their own stuff, in many cases |
| 21:02.35 | lbt | it'll probably have an effect |
| 21:03.01 | lbt | whether it'll be measurable/apparent/significant probably depends on your use |
| 21:03.12 | BULLE | yeah |
| 21:03.15 | BULLE | still |
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| 21:03.26 | lbt | if you just want something to worry about then go right ahead :) |
| 21:03.52 | BULLE | =D |
| 21:04.20 | BULLE | im mor worried about the ram useage in current tabletos, especialy the web browser =D |
| 21:06.32 | GeneralAntilles | s/tablet os/Maemo/g |
| 21:06.58 | GeneralAntilles | The browser will get significantly lighter when it's merged with FF trunk. |
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| 21:16.03 | qwerty12_N800 | likes messing with /sys/class/leds/keypad/brightness :-) |
| 21:25.58 | crashanddie | BULLE, I don't believe they're stupid enough to allow people to load the GTK env libs at the same as the Qt libs. It's like running Kwrite on gnome, a bit stupid |
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| 21:26.28 | crashanddie | BULLE, well, maybe people will be stupid enough to do it, but I think they know enough as to force such a mistake on the end users |
| 21:26.31 | qwerty12_N800 | uses khexedit in gnome :> |
| 21:26.52 | crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, yeah, but you're young and unwise |
| 21:27.13 | crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, btw, the room cleaning job for £5 pw still standing? |
| 21:27.27 | qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie: nah, just that i know gtk hex editors suck |
| 21:27.35 | qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie: what job? :p |
| 21:27.49 | crashanddie | yeah said you'd give me a fiver if I cleansed your room :P |
| 21:28.34 | qwerty12_N800 | i lied :p. mum made me clean it out myself... |
| 21:28.40 | crashanddie | dammit |
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