| 00:00.11 | moontiger | i had to say "armel" for it to be happy |
| 00:00.25 | moontiger | now its telling me "python-sqlite" isnt installed |
| 00:00.30 | moontiger | but it is |
| 00:00.41 | bef0rd | isn'it python2.5-sqlite ? |
| 00:00.49 | bef0rd | isn't it* |
| 00:01.04 | LinuxCode | nn ladies and gents |
| 00:01.13 | moontiger | there are no files on the tablet matching that kind of name |
| 00:02.12 | Stskeeps | moontiger: lowercase 'all' didn't do the trick? that's fucked |
| 00:02.29 | moontiger | Stskeeps, yup ... really annoying |
| 00:02.43 | moontiger | bef0rd, "import sqlite3" works |
| 00:02.55 | moontiger | depends on "python-sqlite" doesnt |
| 00:03.35 | bef0rd | that's weird, i've just checked with apt-cache policy python-sqlite |
| 00:10.13 | bef0rd | I think that sqlite3 comes from python2.5-runtime, but I might be wrong, import sqlite3 print sqlite3.__file__ prints the path of a zip file |
| 00:10.41 | Gracana | Is it possible to get the microb browser urlbar to be at the top of the screen? |
| 00:11.09 | moontiger | depends on libsqlite0 doh! |
| 00:11.57 | moontiger | do i have to the docs say not to mention depends that arent "first level" depends |
| 00:12.29 | moontiger | thnx bef0rd |
| 00:13.19 | moontiger | its in the python2.5 zip |
| 00:13.30 | moontiger | does that mean i dont actually have to "depend" on it ? |
| 00:13.32 | bef0rd | what's the dpkg command to know if a file comes from a package? |
| 00:13.46 | GAN800 | Gracana, not that I know of. |
| 00:16.38 | bef0rd | dpkg --serach python25.zip |
| 00:16.44 | bef0rd | it comes from python2.5 |
| 00:18.59 | bef0rd | s/serach/search/ |
| 00:19.44 | moontiger | bef0rd, you dont have to explicitly mention it |
| 00:19.47 | moontiger | :) |
| 00:19.51 | moontiger | it works :) |
| 00:19.58 | moontiger | thnx for the help |
| 00:20.23 | moontiger | does a little dance |
| 00:20.37 | bef0rd | heh, I was trying to figure it out for me too :P |
| 00:20.51 | moontiger | i can send you the control file stuff if you like :) |
| 00:22.20 | moontiger | now to figure out how to get it up to the repo |
| 00:23.46 | moontiger | whats a "changes" file? i dont have one of those? |
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| 00:27.34 | GeneralAntilles | lol, Reggie finally killed that useless Modest thread. |
| 00:27.45 | GeneralAntilles | Let's hope he decides to open another and gets himself banned. |
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| 00:39.29 | moontiger | GeneralAntilles, it says i need a ".changes" file with my .deb package ... what is that? |
| 00:42.41 | Stskeeps | moontiger: it's a specially formatted stating changes done to the package in which version |
| 00:43.03 | moontiger | ok so i need one of those too *sigh* ... i'll google it ... thnx :) |
| 00:45.18 | bef0rd | moontiger, have you tried Khertan's py2deb? |
| 00:45.37 | moontiger | well i want to know how to do this myself properly :) |
| 00:46.22 | Stskeeps | look at how his script does it too maybe? |
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| 01:04.10 | moontiger | jeeeeeeez why cant these people write docs that actually you know *help* someone do something *sighs* |
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| 01:12.05 | moontiger | can i just make a changes file by hand? |
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| 01:20.50 | moontiger | GeneralAntilles, is the ".changes" file the same thing as the "changelog" file ? |
| 01:21.21 | GeneralAntilles | changelog should be program changes, .changes should be packaging changes. iirc, anyway. |
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| 01:36.39 | moontiger | this is so frustrating |
| 01:38.01 | moontiger | im sorry but im still not understanding what a ".changes" file is or where im supposed to get one from |
| 01:38.15 | moontiger | :/ |
| 01:39.12 | GeneralAntilles | This might be helpful: https://maemo.org/forrest-images/pdf/maemo-policy.pdf |
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| 01:41.52 | GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/Maemo_Diablo_Reference_Manual_for_maemo_4.1.pdf |
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| 01:49.55 | moontiger | thnx GeneralAntilles ... reading them now |
| 01:50.48 | moontiger | i have a deb that works on a clean tablet ... i just cant figure out these ".changes" files :( |
| 01:58.29 | moontiger | this is just not worth the effort |
| 01:58.37 | moontiger | the docs all contradict each other |
| 01:58.43 | moontiger | and nothing actually makes much sense |
| 01:58.55 | moontiger | i think i'll just put the deb on my own server and host it there |
| 01:59.03 | moontiger | thanks anyways' |
| 02:00.16 | GeneralAntilles | ugh |
| 02:03.05 | moontiger | none of the docs are set up or geared to python apps |
| 02:03.18 | Proteous | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 02:03.25 | Proteous | gah |
| 02:03.34 | Proteous | sorry |
| 02:03.37 | GeneralAntilles | moontiger, talk to Khertgan. |
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| 02:04.44 | moontiger | its amazing ... nokia builds a tablet and hopes the community writes software for it ... but gives not much help with docs and such |
| 02:04.48 | moontiger | very frustrating |
| 02:05.11 | timeless | erm |
| 02:05.13 | timeless | i'm confused |
| 02:05.21 | timeless | nokia built a platform around Gtk - C |
| 02:05.36 | timeless | they didn't provide instructions for building applications using Wx |
| 02:05.46 | timeless | nor did they provide instructions for building applications using VB |
| 02:05.53 | timeless | nor using VJ++ |
| 02:05.56 | timeless | nor VC# |
| 02:06.00 | timeless | nor Haskel |
| 02:06.09 | timeless | nor Delphi |
| 02:06.16 | timeless | nor dozens of other languages |
| 02:06.26 | timeless | thinks they should have included at least VB |
| 02:06.32 | timeless | it's a really popular language! |
| 02:06.44 | timeless | how do they expect people to write crummy apps w/o instructions? |
| 02:07.14 | timeless | oh, and the real crime is that they don't include instructions for building apps using Logo |
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| 02:14.20 | GeneralAntilles | The point is, Python is officially supported, so why would you expect official documentation? |
| 02:14.23 | moontiger | sorry timeless im just very frustrated |
| 02:16.18 | moontiger | its not so much building the package ... that i have ... its the "uploading to extras" bit and requirements that im having trouble with |
| 02:17.45 | moontiger | im gonna quit posting here as im too frustrated and im pissing everyone off |
| 02:17.47 | moontiger | laterz |
| 02:18.42 | GeneralAntilles | agrees that the docs on that stuff aren't very useful, but isn't sure exactly what Nokia should do about that. |
| 02:18.56 | GeneralAntilles | There's an Extras BoF setup during the Summit, no? |
| 02:19.28 | lpotter | Qt has ample documentation |
| 02:20.31 | GeneralAntilles | Erm, is that relevant? |
| 02:26.22 | GeneralAntilles | Erm, that should read "_isn't officially supported" |
| 02:33.01 | sp3000 | timeless: http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mail/extensions/newsblog/content/Feed.js#383 |
| 02:33.07 | sp3000 | why is ) red? :) |
| 02:33.42 | sp3000 | (#407 may be interesting) |
| 02:34.18 | timeless | sp3000: can you use konigsberg? |
| 02:34.39 | sp3000 | a what? |
| 02:35.04 | sp3000 | .mozilla.org, tx google |
| 02:35.17 | timeless | http://mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mail/extensions/newsblog/content/Feed.js#383 |
| 02:35.48 | timeless | the ) is red because i haven't properly figured out how to write regexp terminators :( |
| 02:35.53 | sp3000 | blog/146 says "to crowded" :) |
| 02:36.05 | timeless | oh gah |
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| 02:38.00 | timeless | fixed :o |
| 02:38.32 | sp3000 | and the answer is, apparently not |
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| 02:39.42 | timeless | sp3000: are you 80.*, 193.*, or 24.* ? |
| 02:39.47 | sp3000 | 80 |
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| 02:40.20 | timeless | try again |
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| 02:47.44 | sp3000 | better |
| 02:48.25 | timeless | but yeah, in short that just requires a lot of magic work for the word highlighting rules |
| 02:48.42 | sp3000 | is surprised that http://www.google.fi/search?q=konigsberg turned out as relevant as it did |
| 02:49.00 | timeless | wow |
| 02:49.02 | timeless | that rocks |
| 02:49.41 | timeless | kinda sad that .com is not as nice |
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| 02:50.22 | sp3000 | yeah, &hl=en buries to 12 |
| 02:51.06 | timeless | http://mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org/mxr-test/source/lib/LXR/Common.pm?mark=29-43,36#25 |
| 02:51.13 | timeless | is the code that does the work iirc |
| 02:51.47 | timeless | http://mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org/mxr-test/source/lib/SimpleParse.pm |
| 02:51.51 | timeless | is the rest of the magic |
| 02:52.48 | sp3000 | heh, I started complaining about colored parens when I got cross-eyed reading js, and now you make me read perl :P |
| 02:52.55 | sp3000 | needs a nap |
| 02:53.28 | timeless | well, if you can figure it out, i'll buy you dinner |
| 02:53.36 | timeless | did you hear about corematic? |
| 02:54.10 | timeless | it sounds like it might not have collected useful stacks for gecko (!js) crashes |
| 02:54.30 | timeless | we're having a hard time figuring out if that's true though |
| 02:55.18 | sp3000 | I think I noticed a few ending in libxul but I didn't have time to look at it |
| 02:56.26 | timeless | if you could try to resubmit those, that'd be great |
| 02:56.35 | timeless | w30+ should automatically do something better |
| 02:57.17 | timeless | resubmit seems to be: echo 'resubmit' > corematic-resubmit ; lzop corematic-resubmit; cat corematic-resubmit.lzo >> foo.rcore |
| 02:57.28 | timeless | then upload *.rcore :) |
| 02:58.19 | sp3000 | heh |
| 02:58.24 | sp3000 | that'll work |
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| 04:07.53 | lpotter | GeneralAntilles: isn't officially supported _yet_ |
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| 04:43.55 | trev0r | i'd think you just watched high fidelity |
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| 05:46.37 | moontiger | does anybody know how to move your gpg private key to another machine? |
| 05:46.58 | shapr | moontiger: It's in ~/.gnupg/ |
| 05:47.00 | shapr | in the keyring |
| 05:47.50 | shapr | moontiger: gpg --list-keys |
| 05:47.53 | shapr | find the one you want |
| 05:48.00 | moontiger | i did that |
| 05:48.04 | moontiger | then export and import |
| 05:48.07 | moontiger | but it doesnt work |
| 05:48.37 | shapr | for example, one of my keys has the short name 26351E19 |
| 05:48.45 | shapr | So I do gpg --armor --export 26351E19 |
| 05:48.55 | shapr | What doesn't work? |
| 05:49.07 | moontiger | ok so im trying to use py2deb on the nit |
| 05:49.12 | shapr | moontiger: If it's your personal key, you'll need --export-secret-keys |
| 05:49.16 | moontiger | but i set up my gpg keys on my laptop |
| 05:49.25 | moontiger | so i exported my secret key |
| 05:49.31 | moontiger | and imported my secret key |
| 05:49.34 | moontiger | on the nit |
| 05:49.57 | shapr | check out ~/.gnupg/options |
| 05:50.05 | moontiger | but gpg --sign says it cant find a secret key |
| 05:50.06 | shapr | see if it's using a different keyring than the one used by py2deb? |
| 05:50.40 | shapr | weird |
| 05:50.54 | shapr | You could also use default-key XXXXXXXX in the options |
| 05:51.08 | shapr | My key sig is B0EF20CC, which I particularly enjoy. |
| 05:51.16 | shapr | 20CCs of beef please! |
| 05:52.17 | moontiger | can i just generate a new key? or wont it match the one in garage? |
| 05:52.38 | shapr | I don't know anything about the garage, I've never uploaded a package. |
| 05:52.56 | moontiger | all day i have been trying to get my deb file ok to upload |
| 05:53.05 | moontiger | and still im f***ing around at it |
| 05:53.17 | moontiger | SO frustrating |
| 05:53.48 | shapr | Look at your ~/.gnupg/options file, see if it specifies some particular secret keyring. |
| 05:53.58 | shapr | Look at py2deb, see if it only check for the default keyring? |
| 05:54.05 | shapr | Maybe there's a verbose mode for py2deb? |
| 05:55.06 | moontiger | there wasnt one |
| 05:55.18 | moontiger | just trust.db and the pub and priv keys |
| 05:55.26 | moontiger | i deleted them all |
| 05:55.38 | moontiger | so how should i import the private key again? |
| 05:55.44 | moontiger | as root or just a user? |
| 05:56.01 | shapr | Well, I assume the secret key is saved as your user? |
| 05:56.15 | moontiger | i would assume too but gpg goofs out if u dont use root |
| 05:56.20 | moontiger | i'll try again |
| 05:56.27 | shapr | That doesn't make sense. |
| 05:56.33 | moontiger | do u know the private key import command? |
| 05:56.40 | shapr | gpg --import ? |
| 05:56.44 | shapr | I've never done that. |
| 06:00.44 | moontiger | and of course on garage thees no way to actually change my key |
| 06:01.00 | moontiger | so im stuck with my key being on a machine that cant generate the packages |
| 06:01.15 | moontiger | and the machine that can generate the packages cant find my key |
| 06:01.42 | shapr | Sorry, I don't know how to help. |
| 06:02.00 | moontiger | *smiles* no thank you for trying ... im sorry to let off ... im just so frustrated |
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| 06:18.52 | moontiger | shapr ... it worked :) |
| 06:19.00 | moontiger | finally after the whole day :) |
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| 06:32.19 | beford | :) |
| 06:33.46 | moontiger | beford, yah its painful for the first time but now i could do it much more easily |
| 06:34.17 | moontiger | its called "mgcal" in extras-cevel in case you use google calendar |
| 06:34.24 | moontiger | devel even |
| 06:34.34 | moontiger | :) |
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| 06:41.13 | shapr | moontiger: yay! |
| 06:41.22 | moontiger | yes :) |
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| 07:05.26 | moontiger | well so if anybody uses google calendar i would appreciate some feedback :) |
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| 07:06.11 | Pavlz | hello |
| 07:06.55 | Pavlz | yersterday morning i worked on charger battery of cell phone k608i |
| 07:07.06 | Pavlz | it works fine |
| 07:07.40 | Pavlz | now my nokia 770 can be charged with a charger batter of cell phone k608i |
| 07:08.05 | Pavlz | why the charger battery of nokia 770 was borken |
| 07:08.32 | Pavlz | now i am satisfied of my little job |
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| 07:09.50 | Pavlz | so if you never need necessity of a charger battery it is necessary to cut the shell, unmount the cable of sony ericsson and to munt the cables of nokia 770 |
| 07:10.05 | Pavlz | happy hacking Paolo |
| 07:12.27 | moontiger | hi Pavlz :) |
| 07:13.03 | Pavlz | hi |
| 07:13.08 | Pavlz | all ok ? |
| 07:13.30 | Pavlz | this night too i did later |
| 07:14.31 | Pavlz | from 12 hours i go with my mom to eat a Pizza |
| 07:14.50 | Pavlz | between |
| 07:14.56 | moontiger | Pavlz, yes all good :) |
| 07:15.09 | moontiger | almost time for bed again tho |
| 07:15.15 | Pavlz | not so well |
| 07:15.28 | moontiger | i got my first app into the repos |
| 07:15.43 | Pavlz | i work the night, bacause is cold |
| 07:15.50 | moontiger | really? |
| 07:15.54 | moontiger | the day is too hot? |
| 07:15.55 | Pavlz | and in the morning is cold |
| 07:16.14 | Pavlz | yes very hot |
| 07:16.18 | Pavlz | for me |
| 07:16.26 | Pavlz | and for my laptop |
| 07:16.36 | moontiger | heh here is not so hot in the summer |
| 07:16.43 | moontiger | in spring and fall it gets hot |
| 07:17.09 | Pavlz | i prefeer winter |
| 07:17.16 | Pavlz | i work better |
| 07:17.25 | Pavlz | ah, i got a news |
| 07:17.49 | Pavlz | i forgotten to communnicate last day |
| 07:18.04 | moontiger | ? |
| 07:18.12 | Pavlz | the next 4 october 2008 |
| 07:18.18 | moontiger | last day = yesterday (in english) |
| 07:18.22 | Pavlz | i had my 3 conference |
| 07:18.54 | Pavlz | i don't remember if was yesterday or before |
| 07:19.00 | moontiger | heh |
| 07:19.07 | moontiger | what is 3 conference? |
| 07:23.16 | Pavlz | yes about http://pdelbene.blogspot.com/ |
| 07:23.51 | Pavlz | i talk in Italy about free software |
| 07:24.11 | moontiger | oh wow thats cool! :) |
| 07:24.53 | Pavlz | but many people that want to use free software don't know the difference between free software and opensource |
| 07:25.10 | Pavlz | or why too share between hackers |
| 07:25.18 | Pavlz | which are the benefits |
| 07:25.44 | Pavlz | and why the GNU General Public License |
| 07:27.00 | Pavlz | how the universities gave their contribute to build kernel or microkernel.... |
| 07:28.13 | moontiger | right |
| 07:28.19 | moontiger | these are common issues |
| 07:28.34 | Pavlz | as so i find myself to reply to guys or people that are more than 30 years old and don't know nothing about, because they are only journalist |
| 07:28.38 | moontiger | a lot of people dont realise free doesnt always mean zero money |
| 07:28.55 | Pavlz | infact this is the story |
| 07:29.45 | moontiger | i guess if ur not a geek who loves writing and sharing code its hard to understand |
| 07:30.03 | moontiger | the idea of programming for the pure love of it |
| 07:31.06 | Pavlz | i bought the t-shirt http://shop.fsf.org/product/happy-hacking-shirt/ and i payd 15 euro |
| 07:32.06 | Pavlz | so yuo can see the shirt that i got and personally rms gave me |
| 07:32.25 | moontiger | nice :) |
| 07:32.39 | moontiger | rms?? u met him? |
| 07:33.22 | Pavlz | yes, i eaten too with him to dinner to the ARA PACIS in ROMA (ITALY) to the RESTAURANT |
| 07:33.54 | moontiger | very nice :) |
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| 07:41.34 | liri | beford: hey |
| 07:41.57 | beford | hi |
| 07:42.29 | liri | did you get pykaraoke_mini to play karaoke files |
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| 07:52.09 | Pavlz | moontiger i searched for you this http://www.laitspa.it/laitweb/festival_innovazione/programma.php?giorno=8 |
| 07:53.16 | moontiger | Pavlz, hahaha :) |
| 07:53.17 | Pavlz | unfortunately the homepage is available in all the languages but these idiots, have not create a link to the homepage for english, spanish, deutch |
| 07:53.21 | moontiger | maybe next year :) |
| 07:55.01 | Pavlz | you can always see http://www.fsf.org/events/ to know where rms is |
| 07:56.02 | moontiger | if i get time before i leave in december i will |
| 07:57.21 | Pavlz | if you are in texas you are lucky |
| 07:57.28 | Pavlz | are you in texas ? |
| 07:57.33 | moontiger | if im in texas im in the wrong place |
| 07:57.41 | moontiger | san francisco, california |
| 07:57.52 | Pavlz | lucky you |
| 07:58.04 | moontiger | why lucky? |
| 07:58.29 | Pavlz | wonderful california |
| 07:58.36 | Pavlz | i saw many movies |
| 07:58.45 | moontiger | well its ok but its not like the movies trust me |
| 07:59.21 | qwerty12 | likes Compton |
| 07:59.30 | moontiger | prefers watts |
| 08:00.50 | moontiger | i must go to bed now as its late and im tired from coding all day :) |
| 08:00.56 | moontiger | i will be back 2moro tho |
| 08:01.22 | Pavlz | 25 (The Free Software Movement)-26 (Free Software in Ethics and in Practise) August 2008 in Houston Texas |
| 08:01.39 | moontiger | houston is too far from here |
| 08:02.02 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: why on earth would udev starting up cause a block device to become unfsckable? :( |
| 08:02.41 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: No idea >.<. Are you sure it's udev and if so, what udev rules are defined? |
| 08:02.44 | Pavlz | this available !!! do you prefeer Paraguay or Perù ? |
| 08:02.55 | moontiger | i think peru |
| 08:03.07 | Pavlz | is more near |
| 08:03.19 | Pavlz | don't seem me |
| 08:03.19 | moontiger | just prefer the name :) |
| 08:03.43 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: the fail upon boot which is replicable by popping battery and booting again, disáppears totally with dpkg --remove udev |
| 08:04.03 | moontiger | Pavlz, im off now ... ciao :) |
| 08:04.39 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: crap. Hmm, do you have a copy of the udev rules that come with deblet by default? |
| 08:04.55 | Pavlz | 18 November 2008 El Peligro de las Patentes Informaticas |
| 08:04.56 | lbt | mornint |
| 08:04.59 | Pavlz | bye bye |
| 08:05.25 | Pavlz | Lima Perù |
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| 08:05.31 | Pavlz | bye bye |
| 08:05.39 | Pavlz | ciao ciao |
| 08:05.49 | Pavlz | to this evening |
| 08:05.51 | lbt | Pavlz: you still here? |
| 08:06.03 | Pavlz | i go to bed now |
| 08:06.09 | lbt | toodle pip then ;) |
| 08:06.14 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: http://projects.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-commits/2008-February/012323.html <- i suspect this might be a fix (scroll down to SlugOS mention in the patch) |
| 08:07.18 | qwerty12 | Ah, hmm, it could be |
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| 08:07.44 | qwerty12 | Would it be possible to make udev start after the file system check or the file system check before udev? |
| 08:08.16 | Stskeeps | probably, but its not healthy since udev is handy to have |
| 08:08.31 | Stskeeps | will boot up his tablet after coffee |
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| 08:09.16 | qwerty12 | Yeah, you are right |
| 08:10.05 | qwerty12 | Looks like mamona has that fix already |
| 08:10.22 | Stskeeps | manona's trac is a nightmare to go through, constant server errors :P |
| 08:10.24 | lbt | how do they do it? |
| 08:10.50 | Stskeeps | doesnt mamona only do flash-based booting? |
| 08:10.51 | qwerty12 | hates trac fullstop. |
| 08:11.07 | Stskeeps | i like trac for many things, not fond of the bug system but the rest is okay |
| 08:11.22 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: no, i remember rodrigo booting off mmc. his blog post was the reason I started to modify initfs |
| 08:11.46 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 08:11.50 | qwerty12 | although not with functional mods :> |
| 08:12.10 | Stskeeps | lbt: btw InstallationProcess is out of date, so it might be more wise to base it on main page installation steps instead |
| 08:12.43 | lbt | 'k |
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| 08:15.17 | Addison | Greetings fellas! :) |
| 08:17.34 | pupnik | nice to see you again Addison |
| 08:17.46 | pupnik | in an irc sense, of course |
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| 08:19.54 | Addison | You can see me all you want pupnik!!!! If you would like, I can even strip down to my skivvies! *lol* |
| 08:21.25 | doc|home | are you female? |
| 08:21.33 | Addison | Hey, it's good to see you as well ArnimS! I actually had a good question for you. |
| 08:22.14 | Addison | "Ancient Domains of Mystery" just put up a new Telnet site for the first time, but certain characters aren't showing up. |
| 08:22.36 | Addison | I remember something about Dawnmist saying that Xterm's colors is buggy. Is that correct? |
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| 08:25.51 | pupnik | Addison: yes |
| 08:25.56 | pupnik | but don't know if that info is current |
| 08:26.56 | pupnik | i assume it works on your PC? |
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| 08:28.24 | pupnik | talking about this Addison ? http://ancardia.ath.cx/adom_server_info.txt |
| 08:28.24 | Stskeeps | heh, - best way to watch maemo mess up, accidentially pivot_root inside it :> |
| 08:30.03 | Addison | Yes exactly pupnik! |
| 08:30.31 | Addison | It's not showing all of the junk of the screen. I think it has something to do with Xterm not showing the right shade of grey. |
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| 08:33.29 | pupnik | are you playing atm Addison ? |
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| 08:33.45 | Addison | Nope. But I can give you a screenshot of it. |
| 08:33.52 | pupnik | i'm on as spectator |
| 08:34.39 | Addison | There's no walls.... |
| 08:34.40 | Addison | http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/1128/adomxp1.png |
| 08:35.53 | Addison | By the way, I've got a really great keyboard for that site. I probably should post it on the forums.... |
| 08:35.53 | Addison | http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/7741/screenshot2008082023084yz8.png |
| 08:36.09 | pupnik | yeah that's the bug. dark grey appearing as black |
| 08:36.42 | Addison | Can you hack it, ArnimS or do you need the fellas at Maemo to clear out that bug? |
| 08:36.54 | qwerty12 | Addison: does the same behaviour occur with roxterm? If so, it may be a libvte problem. |
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| 08:37.31 | pupnik | http://inz.fi/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/shot-2007-05-15-14-14-01.png |
| 08:37.36 | Addison | Yeah, I've also tried Roxterm immediately after. I also tried Putty but it doesn't want to accept the row and column feature within the program. |
| 08:38.27 | Addison | You lost me on that last post ArnimS, is that a program to change the colors? |
| 08:38.46 | pupnik | http://www.cs.rice.edu/~scrosby/software/tf256color/src/256colors2.pl addison, qwerty12 you can test colors iwth that |
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| 08:38.59 | qwerty12 | pupnik: cool, thanks |
| 08:39.52 | Addison | Shit, now I'm lost. Is that a file within the tablet? |
| 08:40.25 | pupnik | it's a little perl script to display the colors you see on http://inz.fi - well maybe not exactly those |
| 08:40.58 | pupnik | run it with "perl 256colors2.pl |
| 08:41.30 | Addison | So what is there to do in getting Xterm to see that it's being stupid with the gray coloring? |
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| 08:44.31 | qwerty12 | For comparison purposes: Desktop: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/osso-xterm-grey-test-desktop.png Tablet: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/osso-xterm-grey-test-tablet.png |
| 08:45.13 | qwerty12 | should have set the desktop xterm to black too >.< |
| 08:45.32 | qwerty12 | upload it again |
| 08:45.58 | pupnik | bbl |
| 08:46.28 | Addison | Good job typing with your feet pupnik! Can't wait to hear from you again! *lol* |
| 08:47.16 | Addison | Oh wait, perhaps "bbl" means something and I'm just too stupid to know? |
| 08:47.31 | qwerty12 | Hmm, is it me or do those colours look the same? I think it's something in libvte. |
| 08:47.38 | qwerty12 | bbl = be back later |
| 08:47.46 | qwerty12 | as far as I know |
| 08:48.25 | Addison | Hey qwerty, how about you come here to the states and work for the NSA. They'll pay you top dollar! |
| 08:48.44 | pupnik | qwerty12: the "bright black" on the tablet is wrong... |
| 08:49.00 | pupnik | it's in the 2nd row on the left - below "System colors" |
| 08:49.18 | pupnik | bbl = be back later |
| 08:49.20 | Addison | You are way too smart for your country. You really need to ditch that shithole space called England! :) |
| 08:49.33 | qwerty12 | Addison: Hehe, I'm not that smart :) |
| 08:49.43 | qwerty12 | pupnik: yes, I see it now, I must be blind :) |
| 08:50.43 | Addison | Becoming blind only happens with unrelenting, obessive masturbation. Care to share your thoughts on this Qwerty? |
| 08:50.46 | Addison | :) |
| 08:50.52 | pupnik | inz new about the problem ages ago. surprised it's not fixed. |
| 08:51.09 | pupnik | knew |
| 08:51.14 | qwerty12 | Addison: *sigh* |
| 08:51.48 | Addison | Sorry qwerty, weird and unnecessary joke at your expense. At least it was fun typing it! :) |
| 08:51.59 | qwerty12 | :P |
| 08:52.19 | pupnik | holy crap the conversation we just had came up on a google search for this topic |
| 08:52.24 | pupnik | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/latest.log.html |
| 08:53.12 | qwerty12 | Happened to me yesterday, I was surprised as I thought it was slow at collecting logs :P :D |
| 08:53.41 | Addison | Hey, the internet is just a daily, turd depository. |
| 08:54.01 | pupnik | the surprising part is that google indexed it so fast Addison |
| 08:54.21 | Addison | I once tried to check up on something simple online and got a hit for "texas roadkill bondage". Seriously, what the hell? |
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| 08:59.13 | Addison | So can the grey mis-color junk be fixed or is it going to be a wait and see sort of thing? |
| 09:02.25 | beford | I'm blind too :| |
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| 09:08.47 | Addison | So pupnik, is there an easy fix to the weird bright black color in Xterm or is that something that I'll have to live with? |
| 09:17.50 | Addison | Hey pupnik and Qwerty, I thought that we were having an engaging conversation with eachother...... What happened? :) |
| 09:18.07 | qwerty12 | has nothing to say :) |
| 09:18.35 | Addison | Are you angry with me for my stupid posts? |
| 09:19.05 | qwerty12 | No no, nothing like that, I just don't know what more I can contribute to this topic. + that I'm busy working on Conky |
| 09:19.06 | Addison | If you say no, you're going to get more of them, you know this right? |
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| 09:23.02 | Addison | Well, it looks like I'm out like a fat kid in dodge ball. I'll see you all around sometime soon. :) |
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| 09:30.10 | lbt | Ok, so I want to install e2fsprogs - packrat says it's in the repository.maemo.org - but what line do I need in sources.list? |
| 09:30.16 | lbt | http://ageofikon.info/packrat/index.php?Action=list&System=OS2008&Arg=e2fsprogs&Section=&Repo=0 |
| 09:30.39 | qwerty12 | It's also in diablo extras-devel |
| 09:31.13 | lbt | there is too much 'random knowledge' required!! |
| 09:31.55 | Stskeeps | wonders why the hell O_EXCL, O_RDONLY fails on a block device |
| 09:33.45 | Stskeeps | or even how to list what holds the lock |
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| 09:37.15 | kulve | lock? |
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| 09:38.12 | Stskeeps | kulve: i have a bizarre problem with udev causing open("/dev/root", O_RDONLY|O_EXCL) to fail with EBUSY |
| 09:38.43 | Stskeeps | fs is mounted ro and all |
| 09:39.20 | Stskeeps | (this happens in fsck.ext3) |
| 09:40.11 | kulve | lsof and fuser might be able to tell who's using it |
| 09:40.45 | kulve | why do you have the O_EXCL there? |
| 09:40.57 | Stskeeps | kulve: that's fsck.ext3 doing that |
| 09:41.26 | Stskeeps | which fails, causing boot process to stall |
| 09:41.33 | Stskeeps | as it cannot fsck root filesystem |
| 09:41.42 | kulve | ah, ok |
| 09:41.43 | Stskeeps | it also happens with the "real" device, mmcblk1p2 |
| 09:56.18 | Mikho | would somebody instruct me how to ignore non-zero exit values in a .sh file? |
| 09:56.53 | trenka | Mikho: program ||: |
| 09:57.08 | Mikho | I'm trying to write a postrm file, but it aborts to an unsuccessful groupdel command |
| 09:57.45 | Mikho | ||? |
| 09:58.46 | pupnik | command1 || command2 will execute command2 on a nonzero return of command1 |
| 09:59.38 | Mikho | ah, I see |
| 09:59.39 | pupnik | not sure whether that helps |
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| 09:59.48 | trenka | and : is a "always true" command |
| 09:59.53 | pupnik | i have a broken prerm here on my laptop |
| 09:59.54 | pupnik | ahhhh |
| 10:00.08 | Mikho | so I should "groupdel blah || :" |
| 10:00.18 | Mikho | ok, thanks |
| 10:00.25 | trenka | Mikho: how many times should I say it? |
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| 10:01.28 | pupnik | thanks trenka - you just fixed my laptop debian |
| 10:01.28 | infobot | gern geschehen, pupnik |
| 10:01.38 | qwerty12 | just uses || true |
| 10:01.42 | Mikho | trenka, had no idea what || or : meant |
| 10:02.49 | trenka | Mikho: people write manpages for you |
| 10:02.57 | pupnik | at least for me, mpd is borked in debian sid.. Stopping Music Player Daemon: mpd failed! invoke-rc.d: initscript mpd, action "stop" failed. |
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| 10:03.30 | Mikho | trenka, I got enough information now and I'm grateful |
| 10:05.01 | Mikho | sometimes scanning manpages is not the fastest way to do things, consider man gcc for instance |
| 10:06.47 | pupnik | some manpages require serious concentration and more than a few kb free RAM in your brain |
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| 10:10.21 | pupnik | hello ianslip |
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| 10:11.11 | fnordianslip | pupnik:, are you talking to me? i can't see the fnord. |
| 10:11.21 | pupnik | lol |
| 10:11.32 | fnordianslip | indeed. |
| 10:11.58 | pupnik | wonders how many ppl here got that |
| 10:12.03 | fnordianslip | me too. |
| 10:12.18 | Mikho | I got it |
| 10:12.34 | Mikho | ...probably |
| 10:12.41 | fnordianslip | well done. a nice apple for you. |
| 10:12.54 | fnordianslip | golden, of course. |
| 10:16.43 | qwerty12 | RST38h: How does a Conky applet that you can't move around sound like? |
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| 10:40.25 | Mikho | I'm wondering if there is any way of checking the binary compability of a shared library, without actually running the code and possibly encountering a segfault... |
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| 10:48.19 | fnordianslip | Mikho: perhaps you could use 'file' ? I'm not expert though. |
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| 10:49.34 | pupnik | "discordian popes" is one of the best band names evar |
| 10:50.38 | fnordianslip | pupnik: sounds good. what genre are they? |
| 10:52.09 | fnordianslip | don't worry, watching them on youtube now |
| 11:00.59 | fnordianslip | well, i'd have to peg them as avantgarde, I guess. |
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| 11:17.07 | user_ | hello |
| 11:17.30 | user_ | i don't find irssi for nokia 770 |
| 11:18.05 | user_ | and on maemo there is the link but not the software |
| 11:18.13 | user_ | error 404 |
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| 11:22.18 | XTL | guess it's rotten |
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| 11:31.48 | lcuk | ~geometric equations |
| 11:31.52 | lcuk | ~lart geometric equations |
| 11:31.52 | infobot | blames geometric equations for all the evil in the world |
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| 11:46.27 | Stskeeps | ~lart udev |
| 11:46.27 | infobot | runs at udev with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut |
| 11:50.36 | lcuk | Stskeeps, are we frustrated just because its sunday morning? |
| 11:51.25 | fnordianslip | pupnik: i've just built a binary for ddate if you want to add some discordianism to your tablet. |
| 11:52.14 | Stskeeps | lcuk: no, frustrated over dealing with some fucked up bug in either linux kernel or in udev that locks the root file system block device :/ |
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| 11:52.59 | lcuk | not good, is this for deblet? |
| 11:54.38 | Stskeeps | yeah. case is - have a ext2/3 filesystem as rootfs, boot normally - mounting rootfs read only and all that jazz.. in the case where the file system needs recovery (battery popped, for instance), fsck refuses to check, because something has a lock on the block device |
| 11:54.47 | Stskeeps | and this only happens when udev is installed |
| 11:55.50 | Stskeeps | it's pretty serious when a system crash causes the system to become unbootable totally |
| 11:55.53 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:57.18 | lcuk | yes sounds like it :(, unfortunately all that was way over my head, but have you had a look at what the actual lock that fsck is encountering |
| 11:57.53 | Stskeeps | it's not in lsof, atleast :P |
| 11:58.33 | Stskeeps | and linux kernel is not the easiest to get to divulge it's secrets |
| 11:59.26 | lcuk | can you compile a custom fsck and log whats triggering its failing? |
| 11:59.56 | Stskeeps | i ran with strace and it fails on open("/dev/mmcblk1p2", O_RDONLY|O_EXCL) |
| 12:00.00 | Stskeeps | with EBUSY |
| 12:00.00 | Stskeeps | >P |
| 12:00.41 | lcuk | theres not something funny on this device like a 5 second timeout delay or something in hardware? |
| 12:01.01 | Stskeeps | you'd think so - but when i run fsck in usbnet shell afterwards, even after 10 minutes, it still happens |
| 12:01.03 | pupnik_ | do you have the usb cable plugged in? |
| 12:01.29 | Stskeeps | yes, but g_file_storage isn't loaded |
| 12:01.39 | Stskeeps | (this is under debian) |
| 12:01.56 | lcuk | *deblet isnt it :P |
| 12:02.19 | Stskeeps | yeah, well, this isn't a specific deblet problem as far as i can tell, so i blame on the underlying base:P |
| 12:02.43 | Stskeeps | ponders idly |
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| 12:04.36 | pupnik_ | oh just saw usbnet |
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| 12:13.26 | Stskeeps | but if anyone can solve wtf it happens, i'm buying them a pizza :P |
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| 12:17.01 | crashanddie | Stskeeps, wouldn't it be easier to ask this in #debian ? |
| 12:17.27 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: ten bucks i'll get told it's not debian |
| 12:17.38 | crashanddie | deal |
| 12:17.58 | Stskeeps | and this channel deals with tablet issues ranging from maemo to the tablets and hacking them to do cool stuff, afaik :P |
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| 12:18.40 | crashanddie | btw, what's your problem exactly ? |
| 12:19.32 | crashanddie | ok, I scrolled up |
| 12:19.52 | crashanddie | you're trying to find out why you can't fsck on a mounted device , |
| 12:19.52 | crashanddie | ? |
| 12:20.07 | Stskeeps | it's a mounted device, obviously, but read-only like normal OS'es |
| 12:20.14 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: when a mounted read-only ext2/3 filesystem on a MMC partition needs repair (usual when crashing..), fsck fails to execute due to Device or resource busy. This only happens when udev is installed. Additionally, the system is booted through a pivot_root initfs |
| 12:20.18 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 12:20.56 | crashanddie | should be (usually *after* crashing) |
| 12:21.17 | Stskeeps | well, or not unmounting it cleanly |
| 12:21.35 | crashanddie | that's still considered as a crash in my book |
| 12:21.54 | Stskeeps | well it's able to be replicated so |
| 12:22.15 | crashanddie | btw |
| 12:22.19 | crashanddie | are you sure it's read only ? |
| 12:22.35 | Stskeeps | positive |
| 12:22.43 | Stskeeps | i can't write to files on it either |
| 12:22.46 | crashanddie | tried to write something on it ? |
| 12:22.46 | crashanddie | ok |
| 12:24.21 | Stskeeps | and strace of fsck.ext3 claims the open(O_EXCL stuff from earlier :P |
| 12:24.24 | Stskeeps | with EBUSY |
| 12:24.39 | crashanddie | Stskeeps, couldn't you blacklist the rootfs in udev conf ? |
| 12:24.58 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: there's even no mention of automounting in udev conf, so |
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| 12:25.44 | crashanddie | echo /dev/mmcblk1p2 >> /etc/udev/mount.blacklist |
| 12:25.53 | Stskeeps | been there done that, didn't help |
| 12:25.58 | crashanddie | and add loglevel=8 and console=tty0 |
| 12:26.04 | crashanddie | to the kernel boot parameters |
| 12:27.35 | Stskeeps | flasher set boot parameters won't work afaik |
| 12:28.21 | crashanddie | hmm |
| 12:28.48 | crashanddie | That sucks ! |
| 12:28.53 | Stskeeps | yup |
| 12:28.58 | Stskeeps | it's been haunting me for quite a while |
| 12:29.30 | crashanddie | can you check if udev is done with everything ? |
| 12:29.39 | crashanddie | or if it's still busy with stuff ? |
| 12:29.47 | Stskeeps | it's all done according to itself |
| 12:29.58 | Stskeeps | even 30 minutes after |
| 12:30.08 | crashanddie | have you checked using a /sbin/udevsettle --timeout=10 ? |
| 12:32.27 | Stskeeps | it says in console it has settled, so :P |
| 12:33.41 | jott | Stskeeps: does lsof show anything else having the device open? |
| 12:33.50 | Stskeeps | jott: nop, checked |
| 12:35.45 | jott | Stskeeps: could it be that the device changes due to different root? (as /dev/mmcblk1 <-> /dev/mmcblk0) |
| 12:36.25 | Stskeeps | jott: hm, good one - but i checked device major,minor of the root device matches with the partition |
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| 12:37.29 | Stskeeps | goes ask in #debian for the sake of it. |
| 12:40.32 | crashanddie | Monster.co.uk: "Please enter your Target Job Title: 'Death; Apocalypse Knight; Dictator'" |
| 12:41.07 | lcuk | crashanddie, there will be a vacancy opening up in the labour party soon |
| 12:41.25 | crashanddie | I'm not a British National |
| 12:42.23 | crashanddie | Well... [joins fingertips like Mr. Burns] It is only a matter of time... |
| 12:43.16 | crashanddie | No but really, what is my "target job title" ? |
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| 12:44.40 | lcuk | crashanddie, you are the only one who knows that |
| 12:45.12 | crashanddie | oh |
| 12:45.20 | crashanddie | well, erhm, I fuckeled then |
| 12:45.27 | lcuk | but i think trying for gigalo wont get you many placements :P the record breaking gurning champion is higher on the list than you |
| 12:45.45 | crashanddie | not, but what are example job titles for programmer ? |
| 12:45.59 | lcuk | code monkey |
| 12:46.14 | Stskeeps | developer |
| 12:46.16 | Stskeeps | slave |
| 12:46.17 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 12:51.11 | lbt | Stskeeps: just wondered about labels... |
| 12:51.20 | lbt | is udev looking at the ext label? |
| 12:51.41 | lbt | could that somehow stay open... |
| 12:52.41 | lbt | thinking about how it created /dev/disk/by-name type stuff |
| 12:57.58 | RST38h | satan's enema |
| 12:58.05 | RST38h | (C)XEvil |
| 13:00.46 | RST38h | although I guess it is a marketing position |
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| 13:03.41 | thux | GeneralAntilles: why forget gronmayer, something wrong there? any other similar repository page? |
| 13:05.49 | RST38h | thux: fms.komkon.org/Maemo |
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| 13:17.09 | crashanddie | thux, because having 5000 different repositories isn't a good idea |
| 13:17.34 | thux | ok i see |
| 13:18.47 | thux | nokia should set up one community repository where everybody could upload their maemos |
| 13:19.22 | RST38h | guess what? it did! |
| 13:20.19 | thux | really i didn't know that |
| 13:22.35 | lcuk | is anyone hungry? http://lloydandlauren.com/?page_id=863 |
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| 13:24.08 | RST38h | Given that they look like regular-volume people, they feed this stuff to strangers... |
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| 13:31.51 | Stskeeps | lbt: i tried disabling volume-id atleast |
| 13:32.42 | Stskeeps | but that would be my thought to |
| 13:32.42 | Stskeeps | o |
| 13:44.12 | Stskeeps | nothing better than free wifi on trains.. and screaming babies |
| 13:50.56 | GNUtonio | Hi |
| 13:51.29 | Stskeeps | morning |
| 13:57.08 | RST38h | Sts <-- must be from Finland or something |
| 13:59.21 | Stskeeps | RST38h: hehe. nah, it's 5pm or so in finland :P |
| 14:01.58 | lcuk | does anyone know of a simple console application which will allow me to add color to gcc compilation logs? i want something i can pipe through and highlight errors |
| 14:03.25 | lcuk | colorgcc :D |
| 14:04.44 | RST38h | why not write your own perl script? |
| 14:05.13 | RST38h | sts: Some weird socialist state then. California? |
| 14:07.00 | lcuk | 1) i dont know perl, 2) this is wrote in perl already. i knew i wasnt the first, but my initial google foo was in the wrong direction |
| 14:08.09 | Stskeeps | RST38h: .dk |
| 14:08.14 | RST38h | only takes a few minutes to write anyways |
| 14:08.36 | RST38h | Sts: 16:08 in Denmark |
| 14:08.39 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 14:08.44 | RST38h | not morning =) |
| 14:08.49 | Stskeeps | feels like it |
| 14:08.50 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 14:08.58 | RST38h | Just two hours behind |
| 14:09.00 | Stskeeps | was up till fucking late messsing around with fsck |
| 14:09.51 | RST38h | never a good idea |
| 14:12.04 | johnx | fscking around with it even? |
| 14:12.17 | johnx | ducks |
| 14:12.29 | johnx | hey Stskeeps, m00 RST38h :D |
| 14:12.34 | RST38h | boo, johnx |
| 14:12.56 | Stskeeps | 'lo johnxx |
| 14:12.59 | Stskeeps | -x |
| 14:13.12 | Stskeeps | johnx: i suspect udev is messing around a bit :P |
| 14:13.19 | johnx | interesting |
| 14:13.22 | Stskeeps | if i remove udev, fsck problem cannot be replicated |
| 14:13.28 | johnx | I wonder why we didn't hit it before |
| 14:13.36 | johnx | in beta3 or earlier in beta4... |
| 14:13.41 | Stskeeps | beta3 was mounted rw |
| 14:13.50 | Stskeeps | in bootmenu.conf |
| 14:14.06 | Stskeeps | the fsck bug has been around almost since the start :P |
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| 14:16.01 | Stskeeps | i'm thinking to just default it with rw and let the boot process remount the stuff ro while it should |
| 14:16.08 | Stskeeps | even if that's not the correct technical solution |
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| 14:16.45 | johnx | Stskeeps, sounds good to me, but I always take the path of least resistance |
| 14:18.08 | Stskeeps | well since it's a showstopper to any kind of decent release, i dont mind least resistance :P |
| 14:19.19 | crashanddie | jott, I'm about to start working on the progress bar :P |
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| 14:26.44 | Stskeeps | shakes his head |
| 14:26.47 | Stskeeps | rw didn't fix it |
| 14:26.50 | esworp | is in a conundrum. |
| 14:26.54 | esworp | :] |
| 14:27.33 | esworp | bleb.org appears down, hwich is the home of the osx gui solution for flashing the firmware. |
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| 14:27.56 | esworp | has anyone got a copy of the flasher.app? I could really use it presently. |
| 14:30.15 | esworp | wow. crickets chirping. |
| 14:30.18 | esworp | :p |
| 14:31.11 | esworp | maybe someone at ITT posted a mirror.. dumdedumdum... |
| 14:33.50 | Grackle | garage.maemo.org |
| 14:33.50 | Grackle | 666 projects, 13410 users |
| 14:33.51 | Grackle | hah. |
| 14:33.57 | aquatix | :) |
| 14:34.30 | Grackle | Well, the maemo.org front page says 666, the garage.maemo.org front page says 662 |
| 14:34.38 | Grackle | and 13,513 users |
| 14:35.18 | Stskeeps | Maemo, sponsored by the devil |
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| 14:41.49 | Grackle | whee I am getting good at typing on my N800 |
| 14:42.13 | Grackle | I wish it could autocorrect spelling mistakes. |
| 14:42.31 | Grackle | Like just now I typed "wprry" instead of "worry" |
| 14:45.55 | crashanddie | probably the devil didn't correct that error because at no point in this discussion have you had to use the word "worry" whatsoever |
| 14:46.31 | Grackle | :P I am using my PC to talk in this channel |
| 14:46.52 | crashanddie | Remember, the devil is just a demon, he's not like that sod of a God who "Knows it all" |
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| 15:05.43 | pupnik | i read that as 'whee I am getting wood at typing on my N800' |
| 15:06.18 | pupnik | ponders a random auto-miscorrect hildon input method |
| 15:10.46 | aquatix | s/wood/pood? |
| 15:11.19 | aquatix | nm |
| 15:23.29 | esworp | looks at http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithmacosx/ and sees significant problems. |
| 15:24.04 | esworp | the links to he downloads for the gui and cli flashers are missing. |
| 15:24.18 | esworp | a google of the apps indicates the server hosting the fils is offline as of aug 15thish. |
| 15:25.10 | esworp | so... who at nokia should I talk to? what are the odds that hey'll say 'go buy a windows machine...' |
| 15:25.24 | crashanddie | not windows per se |
| 15:25.31 | esworp | yeah, my bad.. |
| 15:25.44 | crashanddie | well, the thing is, I don't believe Nokia cares about the Mac flasher |
| 15:25.56 | crashanddie | they don't provide it, so they'll probably wash their hands off it |
| 15:26.19 | esworp | that seems sorta not-in-the-spirit of the tablet, doesn't it? |
| 15:26.30 | crashanddie | erhm |
| 15:26.34 | crashanddie | no |
| 15:26.50 | crashanddie | You can't ask Nokia to endorse all the third party apps possible, right |
| 15:26.58 | esworp | i don't want them to support them.. |
| 15:27.05 | esworp | just host the durn 630k file. |
| 15:27.08 | crashanddie | So if hosting for a third party app goes down, it's not their problem, and rightfully so |
| 15:27.35 | crashanddie | Your only chance is finding a charitable soul in the Maemo community who would have a copy of it |
| 15:27.43 | crashanddie | Or just contact the website owner and ask for it by email |
| 15:27.54 | esworp | i asked when i entered the chat room. :\ |
| 15:28.16 | crashanddie | Yeah but IRC is not really a good representation of the community |
| 15:28.17 | crashanddie | post on ITT |
| 15:28.22 | esworp | i will. |
| 15:28.42 | crashanddie | But I really don't think you should expect Nokia hosting something they didn't write |
| 15:28.57 | crashanddie | especially for a consumer device, that's bound to cause problems |
| 15:30.18 | esworp | i'm suprised, really. I was under the impression that a nokia staffer wrote it on thier free time. that, added to the notion that the less use I get out of this thing, the more likely I am to take my money to someone who make it easier to use with my setup (iphone <barf>) |
| 15:31.31 | crashanddie | Listen, I'm just trying to be helpful |
| 15:32.06 | esworp | i'm not arguing or trying to get a rise out of yah, man. I appreciate the help. |
| 15:32.29 | crashanddie | If someone from Nokia wrote it on their freetime, perfect, awesome, I'm sure it'll work fine, but as it has not been written by Nokia, and thus, Nokia doesn't own any rights on it, I don't see why they would risk hosting something, because, sadly, in our world, hosting = endorsing |
| 15:32.52 | esworp | would the same go for the maemo community? |
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| 15:33.00 | crashanddie | I'm sorry if support for Macs is sketchy, but ranting about it, and saying you're going to buy yet some more Apple hardware, well, that's not going to change a damned thing |
| 15:33.12 | esworp | i will expect to see /someone/ (me?) in the community take up the flame in terms of hosting the app. :] |
| 15:33.29 | GAN800 | ~flashing |
| 15:33.30 | infobot | hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
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| 15:33.40 | crashanddie | That would be good, indeed |
| 15:33.51 | qwerty13 | What do you mean the macos x flashers have gone? http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php |
| 15:34.05 | GAN800 | 770Flasher should be hosted on maemo.org |
| 15:34.23 | esworp | i didn't say they were gone.. but the meamo community page on how to flash had the links removed. |
| 15:34.29 | esworp | the sentence ended with blank spaces. |
| 15:34.34 | esworp | :] |
| 15:34.37 | GAN800 | esworp, did you somehow miss the GIANT 'this wiki is deprecated message'? |
| 15:34.42 | esworp | yup |
| 15:34.43 | esworp | :] |
| 15:34.52 | esworp | <--- not a morning person. |
| 15:35.18 | GAN800 | 770Flasher is just a GUI wrapper for Nokia's flasher. |
| 15:35.30 | GAN800 | Made by Jaffa, a community person. |
| 15:36.01 | esworp | lemme know if you bump into it. |
| 15:37.11 | GAN800 | Just use the console flasher |
| 15:37.24 | GAN800 | The instructions are right there. |
| 15:37.28 | esworp | i am in the middle of that. |
| 15:37.46 | esworp | was ranting? wow. |
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| 15:39.31 | lcuk | GAN800, quite a storm you are havin over there |
| 15:39.45 | GAN800 | 'support' consists of flashing software. |
| 15:39.45 | esworp | Fay? |
| 15:40.00 | GAN800 | lcuk, what storm? |
| 15:40.13 | GAN800 | I've gotten about an inch of rain. :P |
| 15:40.35 | esworp | it was a total non-event here in the pandhandle. |
| 15:40.43 | lcuk | yes fay, werent you covering your windows |
| 15:40.53 | GAN800 | No |
| 15:41.09 | GAN800 | Not for a tropical storm that went in waay sough |
| 15:41.13 | lcuk | and sinking the chairs |
| 15:41.16 | esworp | i bought a little more beer, in case of... a bonring rainy day. |
| 15:41.17 | GAN800 | s/sough/south/ |
| 15:41.38 | GAN800 | Sank the chairs when I thought it was coming here |
| 15:42.08 | GAN800 | Was ready to board if it went into the Gulf and got up around a cat3 |
| 15:42.41 | GAN800 | But it didn't. ;) Cuba tore it to pieces then it went straight for more land. |
| 15:43.30 | GAN800 | is really really tired of the cyrillic spam. |
| 15:43.34 | esworp | what part of the state are you in? |
| 15:44.24 | GAN800 | St. Pete |
| 15:44.40 | esworp | i am in the panhandle presently, but used to work for noaa in the keys. |
| 15:45.07 | GAN800 | We never actually get storms, even though all the predictions continually say they're coming here. |
| 15:45.07 | esworp | something about living on a 4 foot tall island has you watching the forecasts, eh? |
| 15:46.25 | esworp | Invalid FIASCO subblock count (2) |
| 15:46.33 | esworp | that means... bogus download? |
| 15:46.37 | esworp | corrupted file? |
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| 15:49.37 | GAN800 | Corrupt |
| 15:49.47 | esworp | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2325 |
| 15:49.55 | GAN800 | Safari likes to chew up the downloads for some reason |
| 15:50.08 | esworp | an ooooooolllld post about this error presenting with the old installer |
| 15:50.16 | GAN800 | There's an md5 you shoukd check it against. |
| 15:50.20 | esworp | yah |
| 15:50.35 | esworp | i dont use safari |
| 15:50.40 | esworp | but yah. |
| 15:51.27 | GAN800 | Did you download flasher.macosx or flasher-2.0.macosx? |
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| 15:52.02 | esworp | looks |
| 15:52.24 | GAN800 | RST38h, your claim about the bug isn't correct. |
| 15:52.32 | esworp | pfft.. |
| 15:52.35 | esworp | is retarded. |
| 15:52.37 | GAN800 | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3629 |
| 15:53.00 | GAN800 | Extras downloads are counted |
| 15:53.18 | GAN800 | and if they're not, well, that's a REAL bug. |
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| 16:17.08 | zap | Is there a good kernel project, which provides a complete ready-for-end-user kernel, easily installable through app manager? |
| 16:18.47 | trenka | zap: official kernel is not ready for end user? |
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| 16:19.24 | zap | it is ok for most users, but it has connection tracking disabled and this cannot be cured by building just modules |
| 16:19.33 | trenka | BTobotras: great persons here, nice to meet :) |
| 16:19.44 | zap | B == Boris? |
| 16:20.52 | zap | indeed |
| 16:20.59 | GAN800 | zap, the community-kernels project is working on that. |
| 16:21.16 | zap | GAN800: cool. Who I should contact? :) |
| 16:21.26 | GAN800 | fanoush's kernels are really easy to install as long as you can follow instructions. |
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| 16:21.43 | GAN800 | zap, well, uh, probably fanoush |
| 16:21.52 | GAN800 | or maybe trickie |
| 16:22.02 | zap | ty |
| 16:22.02 | GAN800 | or qwerty12 |
| 16:22.21 | GAN800 | qwerty12 is packing a kernel for rotation support. |
| 16:22.54 | trenka | Anybody of the project is going to visit maemo summit? |
| 16:23.11 | GAN800 | Probabky trickie |
| 16:23.17 | zap | maybe we can make just a single kernel, and pack features separately in modules |
| 16:23.22 | GAN800 | Dunno about fanoush. |
| 16:23.41 | esworp_ | fanoush.. sounds like something yummy at a curry restraunt |
| 16:23.53 | trenka | I'm just thinking if it's useful to go there, see, there are a lot of kernel related activity in community |
| 16:24.03 | esworp_ | "can I have the fanoush? ... extra fennel!" |
| 16:24.40 | zap | "and put some esworp on top" :) |
| 16:24.46 | esworp_ | hehe |
| 16:27.02 | GeneralAntilles | esworp_, you don't know fanoush? |
| 16:27.14 | esworp_ | nope.. not terribly 'hip' or 'cool'. |
| 16:27.20 | zap | where I can find him btw? |
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| 16:27.37 | zap | wonders why everybody on this planet does not use irc |
| 16:27.39 | GeneralAntilles | thux: |
| 16:27.40 | GeneralAntilles | ~extras |
| 16:27.41 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras |
| 16:28.00 | GeneralAntilles | zap, on the lists or through Garage or itT or something |
| 16:28.05 | GeneralAntilles | He's mostly everwhere |
| 16:28.13 | GeneralAntilles | It's just that he has, you know, a life and a job and such. ;) |
| 16:28.18 | esworp_ | i don't usually zero in on the names so much. |
| 16:28.32 | zap | sometimes has a life too :) |
| 16:28.49 | GeneralAntilles | esworp_, he's been around forever and is pretty much the first and foremost Maemo kernel hacker. :) |
| 16:29.21 | esworp_ | does he have maemo groupies? "OMG he touched me!!" |
| 16:29.23 | GeneralAntilles | Did Planet stop updating again or are Maemo bloggers just being lame? |
| 16:29.31 | esworp_ | "I'll never wash my stylus again." |
| 16:29.51 | esworp_ | seriously, though.. the kernel stuff HAS to be hard. |
| 16:30.11 | esworp_ | out of all the code manifestations.. the hardware side freaks me out the most. |
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| 16:56.40 | AFBN810 | Hey does USB Control not work on diablo? |
| 16:57.39 | GeneralAntilles | Is there an error? . . . |
| 16:58.19 | AFBN810 | Won't install |
| 16:58.43 | GeneralAntilles | That's not an error. . . . |
| 16:58.43 | AFBN810 | Says incompable package |
| 16:59.20 | AFBN810 | Sorry slow typing on tabet |
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| 17:00.18 | GeneralAntilles | AFBN810, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21376&page=2 that may or may not be useful. |
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| 17:02.08 | DanielW | hi |
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| 17:02.33 | DanielW | my n810 is missing ldconfig can not install the qt4 packages because of that. should i install some other pakcage before? |
| 17:03.12 | moontiger | GA... igot it working eventually ...thnx for the help :) |
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| 17:04.55 | AFBN810 | alson will a gamepad work with the n810 and usb control? |
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| 17:06.12 | moontiger | i am putting a quik guide together for the process if u would be interested in it for the wiki |
| 17:12.22 | AStorm | DanielW: ldconfig is in binutils afaicr |
| 17:12.59 | GeneralAntilles | moontiger, I misspoke last night. Python is NOT officially supported. ;) |
| 17:13.13 | GeneralAntilles | Wiki page sounds great. |
| 17:13.33 | AStorm | DanielW: no, it is in glibc |
| 17:13.41 | AStorm | so I guess it is on the system |
| 17:13.46 | AStorm | /sbin/ldconfig |
| 17:15.15 | RST38h | GAN: Who would think... |
| 17:15.24 | RST38h | Given how much stuff uses it |
| 17:16.45 | pupnik | AFBN810: yes, i've seen USB joysticks on N810s |
| 17:16.54 | pupnik | make that singular, not plural |
| 17:17.25 | AStorm | plural is possible with an USB hub |
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| 17:18.25 | AFBN810 | pupnik do you know if it needs any extra software to make it work or is it just the gamepad I'm trying |
| 17:19.06 | Kegetys | if its a standard HID device then it should work without any extra software, if it doesn't require more power than what the port can supply |
| 17:20.48 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, Python isn't actually shipped or developed by Nokia. |
| 17:21.21 | AFBN810 | This is just a cheap gamepad that says no file system found when I plug it in |
| 17:21.40 | Kegetys | well there usually arent filesystems on gamepads so that doesnt matter :P |
| 17:21.51 | GeneralAntilles | Normal, ignore that. |
| 17:21.56 | GeneralAntilles | It's just being pedantic. :P |
| 17:22.05 | Stskeeps | gamepads with fs'es.. he |
| 17:22.06 | Stskeeps | h |
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| 17:24.25 | AFBN810 | ok I didn't even try it I knew there was no file system on a gamepad just nthought it might had thought it was a usb drive or something |
| 17:24.50 | DanielW | is there an easy way to make screenshots? |
| 17:26.41 | Stskeeps | think there's osso-screenshot or something |
| 17:26.50 | lbt | http://beans.seartipy.com/2007/10/03/different-ways-of-taking-screenshots-in-nokia-n800/ |
| 17:27.00 | lbt | (guess who wondered that) |
| 17:27.23 | lbt | that would be good to port to the wiki DanielW - it's on my list :) |
| 17:30.31 | RST38h | http://www.fredoneverything.net/Military101.shtml |
| 17:34.39 | moontiger | i know ga but they do have examples and they do push it as a dev option |
| 17:34.43 | moontiger | thats why they should have at least the packaging and dist stuff too |
| 17:34.45 | moontiger | imo anyways |
| 17:34.55 | moontiger | :) |
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| 17:35.43 | GeneralAntilles | "they" |
| 17:35.52 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia certainly doesn't push it |
| 17:36.15 | GeneralAntilles | Remember, maemo.org isn't Nokia. |
| 17:36.17 | moontiger | yes they do they have it on the nokia web site |
| 17:37.21 | GeneralAntilles | Link? |
| 17:37.55 | moontiger | il find in a bit when i get out of bed ...gimme 20mins |
| 17:38.42 | moontiger | brb |
| 17:39.03 | GeneralAntilles | ~30-2-changelog is http://p.quinput.eu/debfarm/changelog.html |
| 17:39.03 | infobot | GeneralAntilles: okay |
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| 17:40.13 | possy | Good afternoon |
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| 17:41.51 | possy | I am looking for a couple of packages. For example libmysqlclient1.2-dev for Chinook. According to gronmayer.com the file should be in http://repository.maemo.org/extras . But adding that line to my sources.list in the maemo appliance does not find the libmysqlclient1.2-dev |
| 17:41.59 | possy | Anyone has an idea, what I might do wrong? |
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| 17:46.01 | GeneralAntilles | possy, Extras is included by default |
| 17:46.09 | GeneralAntilles | Erm, scratchbox |
| 17:46.11 | GeneralAntilles | Nevermind |
| 17:46.41 | GeneralAntilles | demands that Nokia bugs mentioned in public changelogs be made public. |
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| 17:47.35 | possy | GeneralAntilles, yes, it is, but I can't find it using apt-cache search |
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| 17:48.12 | possy | probably has to do with the architecture. I just downloaded the http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/4.0/free/m/mysql-dfsg/libmysqlclient12-dev_4.0.24-10sarge2_armel.deb file, but got an error regarding not matching my system |
| 17:48.22 | possy | (armel) does not match system (i386) |
| 17:48.39 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm, where should I file a bug bitching about mentioning Nokia bug numbers in changelogs. . . . |
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| 17:51.51 | Stskeeps | hmm. any of you ever used initfs hacks to redirect console to a usbserial? |
| 17:52.32 | possy | GeneralAntilles, forget what I just said. I am just too stupid! |
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| 17:52.58 | moontiger | GeneralAntilles, http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Developing_Python_Applications_for_maemo |
| 17:56.16 | GeneralAntilles | Wiki |
| 17:56.19 | GeneralAntilles | Not quite official |
| 17:59.32 | moontiger | ummmmm its on nokia.com and it has their logos all over it |
| 17:59.39 | moontiger | sure looks like its blessed to me |
| 17:59.59 | moontiger | and i sure dont see any "NOT OFFICIALLY SUPPORTED" banners anywhere |
| 18:00.19 | moontiger | anyways..... |
| 18:00.45 | moontiger | my point is there could be some more docs explaining the process and im happy to make them up ... if you would want them in the wiki |
| 18:00.48 | moontiger | :) |
| 18:01.11 | moontiger | then at least i would feel i paid back for my frustration |
| 18:01.36 | GeneralAntilles | Is a wiki EVER officially blessed? :\ |
| 18:01.56 | moontiger | well if they DON'T like them they sure as hell say so |
| 18:02.15 | glass | wiki.forum.nokia.com is official part of their dev relations/site |
| 18:02.22 | moontiger | i think its like google's perpetual betas ... it means nobody can criticize them but they get the good stuff from it |
| 18:09.50 | user_ | moontiger |
| 18:10.13 | moontiger | ? |
| 18:10.35 | user_ | i am Pavlz |
| 18:10.39 | GeneralAntilles | Be happy that they've put any resources AT ALL into it. |
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| 18:11.24 | user_ | i turned back now in chat |
| 18:13.09 | moontiger | GeneralAntilles, im not trying to start a lawsuit or anything ... i just pointed out where some of my frustration came from |
| 18:13.16 | moontiger | and you asked for the link |
| 18:13.21 | moontiger | no big deal to me |
| 18:13.23 | moontiger | :) |
| 18:13.54 | moontiger | i wanted to write up a page detailing how to do the python packaging thing is all and wondered if you would be interested for the wiki |
| 18:14.00 | moontiger | hi pavlz :) |
| 18:15.11 | RST38h | moontiger: You should probably talk to Jaffa and/or Khertan |
| 18:15.37 | moontiger | RST38h, its cool i got it all figured out now ... my app is up in the repos |
| 18:15.39 | RST38h | moontiger: Jaffa is behind the python maemo packager, Khertan is the guy most actively using it afaik |
| 18:15.53 | moontiger | but i was going to write a wiki page detailing the process for others |
| 18:16.05 | Stskeeps | moontiger: what did you develop btw? been watching the talk here so :P |
| 18:16.07 | RST38h | moontiger: Jaffa should also be able to tell you where to place the wiki page |
| 18:16.12 | GeneralAntilles | shoots his changelog rant off towards -developers. |
| 18:16.24 | moontiger | mgcal ... just a home screen applet for seeing your google calendar |
| 18:16.33 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, what makes you say Jaffa has anything to do with Python on Maemo? |
| 18:16.33 | moontiger | something i needed and a learning experience for me |
| 18:16.37 | GeneralAntilles | That's INdT. |
| 18:16.39 | Stskeeps | moontiger: ah, sounds handy |
| 18:16.45 | RST38h | GAN: I remember he was behind the packager |
| 18:16.54 | RST38h | May be wrong of course |
| 18:16.55 | GeneralAntilles | No, that's MUD Builder |
| 18:16.55 | moontiger | it has lots more features coming but i wanted to get the first version out |
| 18:17.08 | GeneralAntilles | http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 18:17.21 | RST38h | ah |
| 18:17.31 | moontiger | with khertans py2deb mod and some trial and error it works well but getting there is a journey |
| 18:17.35 | liri | I'm not seeing a way to register to wiki.maemo.org |
| 18:17.53 | GeneralAntilles | liri, it tells you how to register on the login page |
| 18:17.59 | moontiger | it = the packaging process |
| 18:17.59 | GeneralAntilles | It uses the Garage accounts. |
| 18:18.23 | moontiger | btw id appreciate some feedback if anybody cares to :) |
| 18:18.30 | liri | GeneralAntilles: I'm not seeing that it says that but ok :) |
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| 18:20.50 | liri | ok, I'm in, thanks. |
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| 18:22.02 | GeneralAntilles | liri, looks like the notice was removed or overwritten or something |
| 18:22.08 | GeneralAntilles | It WAS there. . . . :\ |
| 18:22.37 | liri | GeneralAntilles: alright, so add it :) |
| 18:23.33 | GeneralAntilles | liri, I can't. |
| 18:23.37 | GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3236 |
| 18:24.11 | liri | GeneralAntilles: I'm documenting how I got pykaraoke to work on the n810 which provides karaoke functionality to the tablet |
| 18:24.23 | GeneralAntilles | Just N810? |
| 18:24.39 | liri | GeneralAntilles: do you think a proper name for the page is how_to_install_pykaraoke or something more general like how_to_get_a_karaoke_machine ? |
| 18:24.51 | liri | GeneralAntilles: well it might work on the n800 too but I don't have one to test it :) |
| 18:26.08 | GeneralAntilles | They're identical except for the keyboard |
| 18:26.20 | liri | GeneralAntilles: so it should work |
| 18:26.29 | GeneralAntilles | Installing pykaraoke |
| 18:26.49 | GeneralAntilles | My point being, try not to limit it to a subset of devices unless it actually requires that subset. ;) |
| 18:27.02 | liri | GeneralAntilles: I read ya |
| 18:27.49 | liri | GeneralAntilles: I'm thinking that I got a good set of midi files (33mb) installed on my desktop (from which I got the procedure going in the first place) through some other package, I'll try to track where I got it from |
| 18:29.09 | GeneralAntilles | I just went through and fixed a bunch of old articles that were for "N810-only" or "N800-only" and weren't actually anything of the sort, so. . . . :P |
| 18:32.29 | zap | hmm, anybody can try invoking "dpkg -s iptables" ? |
| 18:32.45 | zap | osso-software-version-rx44-locked depends on it, but for some reason it's not installed here? |
| 18:35.56 | user_ | where can i find the old application catalogue ? |
| 18:36.33 | GeneralAntilles | "application catalog" ? |
| 18:37.02 | user_ | yes |
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| 18:38.02 | DanielW | quassel on maemo: http://arch.der-winti.de/quasseln810/ :-) |
| 18:38.47 | RST38h | needs work. |
| 18:38.48 | user_ | for nokia 770 |
| 18:38.51 | GeneralAntilles | user_, what I mean to say is, "What, exactly, do you mean by 'application catalogue"? |
| 18:39.16 | user_ | irssi for nokia 770 |
| 18:39.56 | GeneralAntilles | is taking the easy way out: http://gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo2 |
| 18:40.07 | RST38h | it is not in any of the repos |
| 18:41.04 | GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2006/irssi/ |
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| 18:44.56 | user_ | Not found |
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| 18:46.25 | Grackle_ | wee, #maemo on the nit |
| 18:47.14 | Grackle_ | got better at typing on the n800 very quickly after he started ircing with it |
| 18:51.53 | Stskeeps | sometimes i just wonder about ITT.. "What partition do I install deblet in?" |
| 18:52.11 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, run and keep running |
| 18:52.15 | GeneralAntilles | itT is a hellhole |
| 18:52.26 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: it is, but some of the people on there aren't bad |
| 18:52.37 | Stskeeps | .. it's also a good place to retrieve guinea pigs to try out evil experiments |
| 18:53.00 | GeneralAntilles | Some of them, but most of the useful people are on here anyway. |
| 18:53.05 | GeneralAntilles | and the rest need to be recruited. |
| 18:53.20 | Stskeeps | i agree.. things would be a lot easier with people on here |
| 18:53.26 | Stskeeps | i'm getting tired of ITT's private message stuff |
| 18:53.31 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 18:53.37 | GeneralAntilles | Tell them to get on here |
| 18:53.44 | GeneralAntilles | I recruited sjgadsby and Benson |
| 18:54.01 | Stskeeps | oh, never saw benson on here, .. i think |
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| 18:54.53 | GeneralAntilles | He was here for about a week, then dropped off for some reason. |
| 18:54.59 | GeneralAntilles | Bug qole, though. |
| 18:55.19 | Stskeeps | yeah, qole really needs to be on to discuss once in a while :P |
| 18:56.03 | Stskeeps | runs strace on udev start just to have some reading for tonight |
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| 19:00.29 | moontiger | Stskeeps, a cure for insomnia |
| 19:02.32 | johnx | runs the latest version of deblet installer, puts off sleep for a bit |
| 19:03.27 | Stskeeps | okay, i've definately confirmed it's udev doing it :P |
| 19:04.28 | johnx | ah, so we have a culprit |
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| 19:29.46 | timeless | !seen qwerty12 |
| 19:30.10 | liri | ARGG!!! |
| 19:30.25 | Stskeeps | sends liri off to the mental asylum |
| 19:30.49 | liri | I wrote the entire page on the wiki and accidently hit the back button on the browser, then I went forward back to the edit page and it's all GONE |
| 19:30.51 | liri | GGEZ |
| 19:31.00 | liri | these kind of things can drive me mad! |
| 19:31.06 | liri | gonna take a shower to cool off |
| 19:31.29 | johnx | liri, after the shower set your browser to store POST data |
| 19:31.46 | johnx | same thing happened to me so many freaking times... ;/ |
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| 19:38.58 | liri | johnx: how is that done in firefox? |
| 19:39.09 | liri | brb, gone to the shower |
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| 19:41.20 | johnx | liri, I did it through tab mix plus, but I'm pretty sure it's available in about:config |
| 19:41.37 | johnx | something about "store unlimted post data" |
| 19:42.02 | RST38h | Garage now has 666 projects. |
| 19:42.12 | RST38h | It is Apocalypse time!!! |
| 19:43.10 | GeneralAntilles | Woo! |
| 19:43.14 | GeneralAntilles | ~seen qwerty12 |
| 19:43.17 | infobot | qwerty12 <n=faheem@host-84-9-53-226.dslgb.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 9h 26m 34s ago, saying: 'RST38h: How does a Conky applet that you can't move around sound like?'. |
| 19:45.32 | guenther | GeneralAntilles: sorry, commented with the missing details :) |
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| 19:47.15 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, just read that. Thanks! |
| 19:47.31 | guenther | sure, you're welcome |
| 19:47.44 | guenther | I just hoped I can add that later. |
| 19:47.56 | timeless | hrm, someone here have the latest ssu? |
| 19:47.57 | GeneralAntilles | You well enough to check over this for any glaring errors? http://maemo.org/development/bugs/ |
| 19:48.04 | GeneralAntilles | timeless, I do. |
| 19:48.05 | guenther | I'm really feeling like I am watching myself from the outside today... |
| 19:48.13 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 19:48.31 | GeneralAntilles | Load up on the Nyqil and sleep the day away. ;) |
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| 19:51.01 | guenther | GeneralAntilles: Looks good to me. |
| 19:51.14 | GeneralAntilles | Excellent! |
| 19:51.24 | GeneralAntilles | I went through and fixed most of the stuff in the development section |
| 19:51.54 | guenther | Rather generic and the basics -- but no problems with that, and it doesn't claim anything wrong either. ;) |
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| 19:52.28 | guenther | IMHO it always is a good idea to mention these guidelines more than once. :) |
| 19:52.37 | GeneralAntilles | guenther, more sounds good to me. |
| 19:52.45 | GeneralAntilles | I just wasn't feeling particularly inspired. |
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| 19:53.10 | guenther | nods |
| 19:53.40 | guenther | Hey, at the very least, it is a really good start. |
| 19:53.48 | GeneralAntilles | Mostly that was a branding and glaring typo fix, but some refinement would help a lot. |
| 19:53.57 | guenther | We can always add more details, if appropriate. |
| 19:55.32 | guenther | hmm... |
| 19:55.51 | guenther | First thing that comes to mind for adding details: |
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| 19:56.02 | guenther | Community projects, etc. |
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| 19:56.40 | guenther | Currently it mentions the "Maemo platform" only. |
| 19:57.04 | guenther | oh |
| 19:57.10 | guenther | "Note! You will need an account in order to access bugzilla." |
| 19:57.15 | guenther | That's not exactly true. |
| 19:57.25 | guenther | s/access/file bugs/ # ;) |
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| 19:57.47 | guenther | Reading is free (as in beer and account). |
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| 19:58.29 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I was saving the "and community projects" for whenever the new templates go live. :P |
| 19:59.09 | GeneralAntilles | Fixed the note |
| 19:59.29 | guenther | cool |
| 19:59.41 | guenther | right, we can add stuff later |
| 19:59.50 | guenther | I know I shouldn't today. |
| 19:59.57 | GeneralAntilles | How are those templates coming, anyway? :p |
| 20:00.12 | guenther | should not write anything public right now... |
| 20:00.19 | guenther | What templates? |
| 20:00.43 | GeneralAntilles | For the Garage tracking in Bugzilla |
| 20:00.51 | GeneralAntilles | The new bug submission form templates. |
| 20:01.10 | guenther | er... delayed |
| 20:01.30 | guenther | I'm hacking on the stuff to get bugzilla in shape before the summit. :) |
| 20:02.10 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 20:02.11 | guenther | When I'm done with the current hacking, mostly the filed bugs part of this Sprint, I'll take care about the Garage migration. |
| 20:02.19 | GeneralAntilles | doesn't want to run out of inertia on the Garage stuff. |
| 20:02.24 | GeneralAntilles | OK, cool. |
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| 20:03.19 | RST38h | GAN: Downloads from a repo do not increment Garage downloads counter |
| 20:03.25 | guenther | yeah, I understand... probably another week or so, until I get some time |
| 20:03.26 | RST38h | Bug report submitted |
| 20:04.25 | guenther | Hrm, I want a favicon with transparency. |
| 20:05.11 | GeneralAntilles | guenther, that would be nice |
| 20:05.18 | GeneralAntilles | The white corners are ugly on a gray toolbar |
| 20:05.25 | guenther | exactly |
| 20:05.41 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, there wont be any progress on that until at least September 6th |
| 20:05.51 | GeneralAntilles | Since Download's is X-Fade's domain. |
| 20:06.15 | guenther | IIRC one can use PNGs, though that would be some other way to get a favicon, not the exact same as currently used. |
| 20:06.20 | GeneralAntilles | s/Download's/Downloads/ |
| 20:06.29 | guenther | Dunno how IE handles it, though... |
| 20:06.54 | GeneralAntilles | Personally, I'd hope it would choke on it and die. |
| 20:07.00 | RST38h | ah |
| 20:07.14 | guenther | heh |
| 20:07.50 | RST38h | favicon is an .ico file [eeeek] |
| 20:08.05 | RST38h | and .ico files may contain transparency |
| 20:08.16 | guenther | they can? |
| 20:08.27 | GeneralAntilles | http://mxr.maemo.org/mxr.png |
| 20:08.28 | RST38h | yes, you can set a separate mask |
| 20:09.21 | guenther | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.28 | guenther | That works as a favicon, too. |
| 20:10.35 | guenther | GeneralAntilles: The problem with that very png is, that it is too big -- which results in sub-obtimal smoothness. |
| 20:11.14 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, but it looks hot in places that use big favicons. Like bookmarks, etc. ;) |
| 20:11.36 | RST38h | you can have multiple icons in an ico file |
| 20:11.42 | RST38h | small one + big one |
| 20:12.18 | MishaS | infobot: you talk? |
| 20:12.24 | guenther | hmm, is that how the N810 default bookmarks get the large icons? |
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| 20:13.19 | MishaS | seen x-fade |
| 20:13.48 | MishaS | infobot: seen x-fade? |
| 20:13.51 | infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo (1d 6h 59m 23s), last said: 'murrayc: Probably later this day.'. |
| 20:14.14 | lbt | liri: if you installed the Live HTTP Headers then you can often do a replay and grab the post data in the event that the server times out or goes down. Worth having for when you need it ;) |
| 20:14.24 | GeneralAntilles | MishaS, he's on vacation. |
| 20:14.41 | MishaS | GeneralAntilles, thank you :) |
| 20:14.43 | qwerty12_N800 | MishaS: use ~seen :) |
| 20:14.47 | GeneralAntilles | September 6th |
| 20:15.02 | GeneralAntilles | If you need help with Extras (FBReader, right?), hit up Ed Bartosh. |
| 20:15.09 | MishaS | GeneralAntilles, aha... good. |
| 20:15.18 | MishaS | GeneralAntilles, I was wondering about the download stats :D |
| 20:15.32 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, RST38h is having trouble, too. |
| 20:15.33 | MishaS | qwerty12_N800, aha! thanks :) |
| 20:15.49 | MishaS | does not really have a trouble... :) |
| 20:15.58 | MishaS | just wonders if those "2 weeks" are really 2 weeks... |
| 20:17.05 | RST38h | moo, qwerty |
| 20:17.16 | RST38h | Not trouble, just finding them incomplete |
| 20:17.35 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, well, the stats from Extras seem to be being counted for adv-backlight. |
| 20:17.38 | qwerty12_N800 | hey RST38h. I kinda made conky into an applet... |
| 20:17.54 | RST38h | qwerty: Seen it, haven't installed it yet |
| 20:18.12 | RST38h | Given that people report it flickering, not sure if I want to... |
| 20:18.14 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, what's the word on microb-pageupdown? |
| 20:18.42 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: happened with the last version as well :/ |
| 20:18.44 | RST38h | GAN: Maybe I am mistaking, dunno |
| 20:18.53 | RST38h | qwerty: yes, that is why I had to remove it |
| 20:19.30 | RST38h | qwerty: basically, using a plain XWindow for it is wrong, I think. You have to use whatever applets use |
| 20:19.32 | GeneralAntilles | timeless didn't know what was happening. |
| 20:20.02 | qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles: Not sure, i'm not sure if it's just it's one person having problems or if it is a problem as a result of the update. |
| 20:20.10 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, be cool if the "downloads xxxx times" were a link to a page with a breakdown of where that number comes from. |
| 20:20.12 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: true >.< |
| 20:20.27 | GeneralAntilles | "xxx from Diablo Extras, xxx from Chinook Extras, xxx from .install" |
| 20:20.41 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, I get: http://slexy.org/view/s21par6CIw |
| 20:20.56 | GeneralAntilles | snav is enabled and dpad moves line-by-line rather than page-by-page. |
| 20:21.09 | GeneralAntilles | So, uh, I have it installed, but it's showing the default dpad behavior. |
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| 20:22.01 | qwerty12_N800 | Hmm, the sed lines must have changed. i can repack debs off the tablet, i'll take a look. |
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| 20:24.16 | qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles: I think timeless has put out a fix but not packaged it. Could you run dpkg -s microb-pageupdown and tell me the version number? Thanks. |
| 20:24.24 | RST38h | GAN: Yea, but the breakdown page may be too time consuming to do |
| 20:24.51 | RST38h | + I kinda doubt the current system stores information on individual downloads |
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| 20:29.50 | RST38h | hrw |
| 20:30.23 | hrw | hi |
| 20:33.32 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800: 0.1 |
| 20:33.50 | GeneralAntilles | Welcome back, hrw. :) |
| 20:34.09 | qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles: yep, he's got files for a 0.2. i'll package it up... |
| 20:34.15 | qwerty12_N800 | hey hrw |
| 20:34.40 | qwerty12_N800 | has yet to install n800 emulation. i'm a lazy asshole. |
| 20:35.52 | RST38h | http://cbs3.com/local/kimberly.jernigan.second.2.801089.html |
| 20:36.04 | RST38h | Woman Attempts to Kidnap Ex-Virtual Boyfriend! |
| 20:36.11 | RST38h | [and yes, she is ugly like hell] |
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| 20:39.45 | moontiger | man thats a weird story |
| 20:40.29 | RST38h | most dailyrotten.com stories are weird |
| 20:41.22 | zap | RST38h: any news about your great calc? :) |
| 20:46.45 | RST38h | zap: released it |
| 20:46.54 | RST38h | zap: http://fms.komkon.org/SlideRule/ |
| 20:46.59 | zap | any changes wrt the version you gave me? |
| 20:47.11 | RST38h | The Garage page is up and I will make itt announcement as soon as it pops up in Extras |
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| 20:47.18 | zap | cool |
| 20:47.22 | RST38h | zap: Screen size now changes properly |
| 20:47.28 | zap | megacool :) |
| 20:47.37 | zap | buttons are still same size? |
| 20:47.39 | RST38h | a few other things you reported have been fixed I think |
| 20:47.47 | RST38h | buttons become bigger in full screen mode |
| 20:48.03 | zap | good. My fingers are a bit too large for buttons in windowed mode :) |
| 20:48.08 | RST38h | I added labels in the plotter mode for the range selection |
| 20:48.14 | RST38h | zap: Grow nails =) |
| 20:48.25 | zap | I can't, I eat them regularily :) |
| 20:48.28 | RST38h | can't press anything with his fingers |
| 20:48.42 | RST38h | can't even invoke finger keyboard |
| 20:49.05 | zap | you calculate using the stylus? |
| 20:49.12 | RST38h | yep. or a nail. |
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| 20:49.37 | zap | I like how it takes derivatives :) |
| 20:49.49 | RST38h | I think singularities detection still does not work right though |
| 20:49.56 | RST38h | So some graphs look funny |
| 20:51.46 | zap | still asks for the folder on upgrade :) |
| 20:52.13 | RST38h | yea, I did not experiment with that option |
| 20:52.40 | RST38h | kinda afraid to, given how far from the "official template" my deb setup is |
| 20:53.13 | zap | I can help you with packaging, last months I made a lot of them |
| 20:54.44 | RST38h | I made the packaging stuff work |
| 20:55.05 | RST38h | But really hated the way it is overdesigned |
| 20:55.23 | zap | actually its really easy |
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| 20:55.34 | zap | just don't use the dh_make template :) |
| 20:55.47 | zap | if you use cdbs, it's way easier to make packages |
| 20:56.32 | zap | hmm, if you enter, say, "8*" and then press F1 and choose, say "sin(x)" it will enter a carriage return |
| 20:56.37 | zap | is that how it's desiged to work? |
| 20:57.00 | RST38h | yep |
| 20:57.18 | zap | what if I want to enter 8*sin*cos? |
| 20:57.22 | RST38h | always enters the current input beforeapplying whatever Fx function you have chosen |
| 20:57.27 | qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles: Odd, i installed microb-pageupdown 0.1 fine, just stopped browserd manually by init. Here's version 0.2 anyway : http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/microb-pageupdown-0.2.deb |
| 20:57.28 | RST38h | sin of what? |
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| 20:57.46 | RST38h | x cannot be assumed |
| 20:57.53 | zap | I cannot enter anything after sin |
| 20:57.56 | RST38h | even the current version will let you enter other vars |
| 20:58.00 | zap | because after sin it does CR automatically |
| 20:58.11 | RST38h | enter: |
| 20:58.21 | zap | well, '=' |
| 20:58.37 | RST38h | 8 | x sin | * = |
| 20:58.47 | RST38h | or open the keyboard and type 8*sin(x) |
| 20:59.18 | zap | hmm |
| 20:59.20 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, http://slexy.org/view/s20rlC9FZL |
| 20:59.34 | zap | it partially works kind of reverse polish notation |
| 20:59.41 | zap | and partially like normal expressions |
| 20:59.55 | RST38h | I guess the confusion is because of the fact that I support both direct and polish notations |
| 21:00.05 | RST38h | depending on the input |
| 21:00.06 | zap | yep |
| 21:00.31 | GeneralAntilles | bunanson is such a spaz. |
| 21:01.16 | RST38h | given how few buttons are in the on-screen keypad, semi-polish notation looks like a better choice |
| 21:01.33 | RST38h | but for direct kbd input, direct notation is a way better of course |
| 21:01.59 | zap | btw is it possible to make ESC switch between graph/calc mode instead of MENU? |
| 21:02.11 | zap | I find myself often opening the keyboard just because of this |
| 21:02.50 | liri | GeneralAntilles: http://wiki.maemo.org/Howto_install_pykaraoke |
| 21:02.50 | RST38h | yea |
| 21:03.08 | RST38h | I have got a similar request from someone about the emulators |
| 21:03.11 | liri | GeneralAntilles: that page needs some fix up to the styles of <code> entries and such, but it's mostly there |
| 21:03.26 | RST38h | make ESC act as fast forward and make MENU invoke builtin menu |
| 21:03.42 | zap | fast forward in games? :) |
| 21:03.46 | RST38h | it kinda breaks the default behaviour though |
| 21:03.47 | RST38h | yes |
| 21:04.04 | zap | is there such a function there? |
| 21:04.19 | RST38h | of course there is, currently assigned to MENU |
| 21:04.36 | zap | in fmsx? |
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| 21:05.08 | RST38h | got used to it so much that often tries pressing PGUP (fast-forward in PC versions of emulators) when his laptop gets slow |
| 21:05.17 | RST38h | zap: in all of them |
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| 21:07.41 | qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles: Sounds like it needs to be unfucked. Delete /var/lib/dpkg/info/microb-pageupdown.postinst and replace /usr/lib/microb-engine/chrome/toolkit/content/global/platformHTMLBindings.xml with this one : http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/platformHTMLBindings.xml . the file after the update with pageupdown applied. after that, run apt-get -f install |
| 21:08.15 | qwerty12_N800 | s/the file after the update with pageupdown applied/that is the file after the update with pageupdown applied |
| 21:09.17 | RST38h | writes down the word "unfucked". |
| 21:09.50 | RST38h | Anyways, sleep time. |
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| 21:11.43 | GeneralAntilles | liri, fixed. In the future, remember not to hard wrap. :) http://wiki.maemo.org/Installing_PyKaraoke#Configuration |
| 21:13.01 | qwerty12_N800 | Timidity... I have memories installing that in BeOS for prboom :> |
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| 21:16.31 | GeneralAntilles | ssh couldn't be any more laggy |
| 21:18.18 | GeneralAntilles | stabs snav to death |
| 21:18.26 | GeneralAntilles | That worked, anyway, qwerty12_N800. |
| 21:18.31 | GeneralAntilles | Minus snav still being on |
| 21:19.30 | qwerty12_N800 | stop browserd and edit prefs.js. or about:config come think of it. |
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| 21:22.54 | lbt | plaintively asks if anyone knows about gtkmm show_all not calling show() of a class that overrides a container? |
| 21:23.31 | lbt | I think show_all() has been 'optimised' |
| 21:24.36 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, working fine now. |
| 21:27.36 | GeneralAntilles | This _is_ interesting: initfs-diablo (0.95.15-200819maemo3) unstable; urgency=low |
| 21:27.37 | GeneralAntilles | New usbflasher without gpl'd code. |
| 21:27.43 | qwerty12_N800 | yep just saw |
| 21:28.07 | GeneralAntilles | That seems to mean Nokia owes us some code, no? |
| 21:28.13 | qwerty12_N800 | someone sue nokia so that someone can write a cal flasher |
| 21:28.19 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 21:28.27 | GeneralAntilles | Well, might be worth asking about it, anyway. |
| 21:29.03 | qwerty12_N800 | Download the diablo image off tablets-dev quick before they update it :> |
| 21:30.25 | qwerty12_N800 | hopes the dsm svn repo on garage is haxed one day. |
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| 21:32.03 | jott | qwerty12_N800: you could try to get commit rights to the garage web sites :P |
| 21:32.41 | qwerty12_N800 | jott: hehe, i tried going into the project page but i'm not allowed |
| 21:32.56 | jott | and accidently comment out some authentication checks :D |
| 21:33.03 | qwerty12_N800 | lol |
| 21:33.18 | qwerty12_N800 | where do I sign up? :p |
| 21:34.38 | qwerty12_N800 | There are a *lot* of binaries shipped with the system that read CAL. The only source we have that shows that is mce. Useless w/out dsme though. |
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| 21:39.15 | moontiger | lbt... is show virtual? |
| 21:39.48 | lbt | do I need to declare it as such? |
| 21:39.54 | lbt | I'm not an expert c++ |
| 21:40.27 | moontiger | it should be declared as virtual in the base class afaik |
| 21:40.30 | lbt | I am declaring a class as class ItemView: public Gtk::HBox |
| 21:40.51 | moontiger | so it will inherit all methods etc of hbox |
| 21:41.18 | lbt | http://www.gtkmm.org/docs/gtkmm-2.4/docs/reference/html/classGtk_1_1Widget.html#a791d86a0bb3658e378e81d731dd0121 |
| 21:41.20 | moontiger | but if the show() isnt marked as virtual in the base afaik it wont call derived functions that overload the base |
| 21:41.29 | lbt | OK |
| 21:42.09 | lbt | so the base show_all() won't call my show() |
| 21:42.33 | moontiger | maybe you have to provide a show_all_vfunc() that gets the call |
| 21:42.49 | lbt | I then overrode show_all() to call the base show_all() and then my show (which uses logic to hide some widgets) |
| 21:42.54 | lbt | and then :) |
| 21:43.04 | lbt | I wrote a show_all_vfunc |
| 21:43.09 | moontiger | from there you could call your show() func |
| 21:43.09 | lbt | which was ignored :( |
| 21:43.23 | lbt | void ItemView::show_all_vfunc() |
| 21:43.26 | moontiger | you didnt declare yours as virtual tho right? |
| 21:43.43 | lbt | correct I didn't |
| 21:43.48 | moontiger | ok hmmmmmmm |
| 21:44.14 | lbt | yep |
| 21:44.39 | lbt | the first instantiation I removed all show() calls from my class - including contained widgets |
| 21:44.43 | lbt | they all appear !! |
| 21:44.45 | moontiger | and the vfunc isnt called at all? |
| 21:44.52 | lbt | nope |
| 21:45.23 | lbt | I've been googling for it |
| 21:45.44 | moontiger | istead of inheriting from hbox maybe inherit from container? |
| 21:46.23 | lbt | everything else works fine |
| 21:46.40 | lbt | and container is a virtual class (?) |
| 21:46.44 | lbt | abstract |
| 21:46.51 | lbt | isn't it? |
| 21:48.07 | lbt | and I'd need Box, not Container... |
| 21:53.22 | moontiger | im trying to find some info ... brb |
| 21:53.27 | moontiger | on subclassing :) |
| 21:53.32 | moontiger | with gtkmm |
| 21:53.44 | lbt | 'k |
| 21:53.52 | GeneralAntilles | The Modest "chagelogs" are a little hilarious: http://p.quinput.eu/debfarm/changelog.html |
| 21:55.49 | qwerty12_N800 | Their NB shit is a joke. |
| 21:56.14 | GeneralAntilles | It's really insane |
| 21:56.38 | moontiger | lbt ... do you have to register your new class with gobject? |
| 21:56.59 | lbt | I thought the point of gtkmm was simple inheritance.... |
| 21:57.13 | lbt | happy to try though |
| 21:57.42 | moontiger | http://library.gnome.org/devel/gobject/unstable/howto-gobject.html |
| 21:57.55 | moontiger | that talks about subclassing in gtk |
| 21:58.12 | moontiger | seems like you have to register your new class to get it "seen" |
| 21:58.16 | lbt | yeah - that's the main reason I went to gtkmm ;) |
| 21:58.29 | lbt | http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/docs/tutorial/html/ch05s02.html |
| 21:58.33 | moontiger | apparently you still have to do some of that |
| 21:59.05 | lbt | eww |
| 21:59.07 | lbt | what? |
| 22:00.28 | moontiger | wow thats ugly |
| 22:00.33 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, I'm tempted to compile a "List of Shame" of all the Nokia engineers in that list who've made "changelogs" that mention NB# without any more information. ;) |
| 22:00.50 | lbt | bear in mind that this app is 99.99% working - the only quirk appears to be a show/hide issue which I'm beginning to suspect is a bug in some optimisation somewhere... |
| 22:01.48 | qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles: You should. FFS, they are keeping bugs hidden for a open source product. |
| 22:02.11 | GeneralAntilles | lol: osso-af-startup (1.66-4) unstable; urgency=low * mkdir -p the f0rking /var/tmp directory, because, /apparently/, it doesn't exist. Halleluja! |
| 22:02.32 | moontiger | http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk-tutorial/stable/x2191.html |
| 22:02.37 | moontiger | lbt that looks promising |
| 22:02.42 | moontiger | im reading it now |
| 22:03.34 | qwerty12_N800 | Nokia's idea of open source is bullshit. Pussies are even scared to open source the memory applet. |
| 22:04.33 | lbt | that's all the C/Gtk+ stuff though - why do you think it is relevant? |
| 22:04.41 | lbt | ... just asking :) |
| 22:05.14 | qwerty12_N800 | wants to add support for quickly making a swap file on mmc1. ke-recv supports enabling swap off mmc1. |
| 22:06.21 | GeneralAntilles | I really want to destroy the "competitive advantage" argument by getting all of the closed-source Nokia UI stuff replaced with much more useful open source alternatives. |
| 22:06.40 | GeneralAntilles | started with the Backlight and Volume applets. |
| 22:07.30 | lbt | GeneralAntilles: doesn't the kernel source provide some hints for the battery stuff? |
| 22:08.01 | GeneralAntilles | Meh, I'm more interested in * applets and the like |
| 22:08.08 | moontiger | lbt ... just seeing how the gtkmm stuff works under the hood |
| 22:08.10 | GeneralAntilles | I'll leave the low-level stuff to other people. |
| 22:08.25 | moontiger | the vfunc ... is there a func called "on_show_all()" |
| 22:08.32 | moontiger | to handle the event? |
| 22:09.52 | lbt | err |
| 22:10.04 | lbt | Widget doesn't declare on_show_all |
| 22:10.07 | lbt | and nor do I |
| 22:10.42 | lbt | there is : virtual void Gtk::Widget::on_show |
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| 22:10.56 | yacoob | Hello there. |
| 22:11.19 | yacoob | Does wizard-mounter works on OS2008? I can't seem to find the packages with portmap and kernel modules anywhere :( |
| 22:11.25 | lbt | hi yacoob - don't suppose you're shit hot at gtkmm are you? |
| 22:12.02 | yacoob | checks |
| 22:12.04 | yacoob | ...nope. |
| 22:12.16 | yacoob | :P |
| 22:14.24 | lbt | yacoob: dunno about wizard mounter - I ported autofs the other night. I compiled up the various nfs modules - dead easy. |
| 22:14.35 | lbt | nfs-common has portmap AFAIK |
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| 22:15.01 | lbt | I'm busy atm but if you're around tomorrow then I may be able to help... |
| 22:15.11 | moontiger | lbt ... can you get the event mask for your widget and see if its handling the draw events? |
| 22:15.52 | yacoob | I'm just a bit suprised that they've added smb to file dialog... |
| 22:15.54 | lbt | moontiger: lets make sure we're on the same page :) |
| 22:15.55 | yacoob | ...but not to the system. |
| 22:16.35 | yacoob | and yes, I think I saw kernel modules including smb in other package, but I'd like to have a nice gui for mounting :) |
| 22:16.41 | yacoob | (hm, I can force dependencies...) |
| 22:16.55 | moontiger | lbt... if your widget isnt responding to show_all() right? |
| 22:17.02 | lbt | I've got a class subclassing hbox. The class contains a label, button and some more boxes. I pack up the components into the hbox/class |
| 22:17.30 | lbt | according to application state I *may* hide or show the composite widget |
| 22:17.39 | moontiger | right |
| 22:17.55 | lbt | the very first time I show the widget, *all* the composite parts show |
| 22:18.03 | moontiger | ok |
| 22:18.07 | lbt | thereafter they hide/show correctly |
| 22:18.35 | lbt | the first time involves the hildon window doing a show_all |
| 22:18.48 | moontiger | makes notes... |
| 22:19.04 | lbt | now, if I remove *all* show() calls (including the composite parts) |
| 22:19.10 | lbt | they *still* show |
| 22:19.12 | lbt | !!! |
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| 22:19.50 | moontiger | they show just by calling show_all() on the parent container? |
| 22:19.51 | lbt | 'tell you what - I'll publish the code... |
| 22:19.54 | Pavlz | hello |
| 22:19.55 | moontiger | ok |
| 22:19.58 | lbt | yes |
| 22:20.01 | moontiger | hey Pavlz :) |
| 22:20.28 | lbt | the parent container has a show() which uses application state to decide if it should show. |
| 22:20.29 | Pavlz | i finished now to write to the vice president of usa |
| 22:20.33 | moontiger | the show_all() must be calling the individual show() functions itself |
| 22:21.31 | moontiger | there is that "shaow_all_children(bool)" function |
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| 22:22.21 | Pavlz | is impossible that in the usa noboby say where : my aunt, his husband and my cousins are actually, they started 20 years ago from Naples |
| 22:22.23 | moontiger | i would imagine that is iterating over the containers children and calling "show()" on them |
| 22:23.22 | Pavlz | now remain only fbi, cia and nsa |
| 22:23.22 | moontiger | Pavlz, whats the problem? |
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| 22:27.22 | lbt | is the wiki down? |
| 22:27.35 | GeneralAntilles | lbt, not here |
| 22:27.46 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe ferenc just restarted it |
| 22:27.51 | GeneralAntilles | Seems faster than usual, actually. |
| 22:28.26 | lbt | http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras |
| 22:29.15 | lbt | could be my cache I guess - is that page there for you |
| 22:29.21 | lbt | the rest of the wiki seems OK : |
| 22:29.23 | lbt | :) |
| 22:29.31 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, it's there for me |
| 22:29.40 | GeneralAntilles | Cached blank page? |
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| 22:29.45 | moontiger | lbt ... shift-refresh |
| 22:29.55 | moontiger | *always* does that to me too |
| 22:30.16 | lbt | ah - was doing ctrl-refresh... |
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| 22:31.57 | lbt | ah - at last.. hmm something odd... never mind :) |
| 22:32.09 | moontiger | :) |
| 22:32.33 | moontiger | GeneralAntilles, btw the auto-builder is really cool :) |
| 22:32.45 | lbt | that's the problem when I make notes on how to do things off my LAN :) |
| 22:32.53 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, it's a nice thing to have around |
| 22:33.11 | GeneralAntilles | It's especially helpful in cleaning up Extras. |
| 22:33.24 | feingarden | Is this the proper forum to ask questions about DosBox installation problems on a 770 w/ OS2006, or is this a development only room? |
| 22:33.41 | GeneralAntilles | This is everything Maemo |
| 22:33.59 | GeneralAntilles | Just don't expect everybody here to know the answer to everything at all times. ;) |
| 22:35.13 | yacoob | judging from the comments on the forum, the packages are simply gone. Woe upon me! :) |
| 22:36.58 | moontiger | lbt... if i can see the code you're talking about i *might* be able to help ... c++ is my fave language but im new to gtkmm and gtk |
| 22:37.36 | feingarden | No worries. I have just reflashed my 770 after several failed attempts to install DosBox and I was hoping to try again while this resource was available to help w/ problems. Mainly package issues, I think, but I confess that I'm no developer. |
| 22:38.04 | lbt | well, this is my 'get back into it' - so I've never really done C++ and this is my first ever gtk/gtkmm code :) |
| 22:38.14 | GeneralAntilles | http://pupnik.de/dosbox.html |
| 22:38.50 | moontiger | heh then between the 2 of us we might be able to f*** it up even better! ;) |
| 22:39.21 | lbt | :) |
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| 22:41.05 | moontiger | im going to be writing a c gtk app for the nit next so its all good stuff to get into |
| 22:41.39 | lbt | well, seriously - use c++ if you have any choice |
| 22:41.59 | lbt | gtk+ will make you very miserable if you like C++ |
| 22:42.10 | lbt | and actually gtkmm is pretty nice |
| 22:43.59 | moontiger | but the c++ bindings are an extra download for the nit no? |
| 22:44.06 | moontiger | makes the app "bigger" |
| 22:44.19 | lbt | not so's you'd notice |
| 22:44.21 | yacoob | hm... ITOS2008 != OS2008? |
| 22:44.29 | lbt | and there are enough apps using it now... |
| 22:45.50 | lbt | try installing shopper from extras-devel |
| 22:45.51 | GeneralAntilles | yacoob, s/!=/==/ |
| 22:46.31 | yacoob | GeneralAntilles, ok, just wanted to make sure. Then I don't know where on earth authors of wizard-mount found the packages for 2008 :( |
| 22:46.45 | moontiger | what are you writing? |
| 22:47.24 | lbt | moontiger: me? |
| 22:47.31 | moontiger | yes |
| 22:47.36 | lbt | shopper :) |
| 22:47.45 | moontiger | ohhhhhhhhhhh .... *goes to install it* |
| 22:47.50 | lbt | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/shopper/ |
| 22:48.20 | moontiger | i have the extras-devel repo so its in the AM |
| 22:48.53 | moontiger | says it will use 3.61mb |
| 22:51.24 | lbt | mmm - I have an 8Gb SD card... |
| 22:51.46 | lbt | wait 'til you get some Qt apps :) |
| 22:52.17 | Mek | (or kde ones! :P) |
| 22:52.43 | Mek | I could just fit enough of my kde packages on the default rootfs to be able to run plasma :) |
| 22:52.50 | feingarden | GeneralAntilles - No prerequisites? This is a squeaky-clean, freshly installed OS, no bells, no whistles. |
| 22:54.05 | moontiger | lbt, thats why i wont be using qt apps |
| 22:54.26 | moontiger | until qt is in the rom |
| 22:54.55 | lbt | you'll like it when you do |
| 22:55.25 | lbt | but although Qt is fairly new to the nit, it's pretty well established. |
| 22:55.30 | moontiger | i used to use kde a lot |
| 22:55.36 | lcuk | will use whatever gives the crispest performance |
| 22:55.40 | moontiger | and i played with kdevelop |
| 22:55.43 | moontiger | and qt |
| 22:56.23 | moontiger | dont really like the look of qt apps altho the libs are really quite nice |
| 22:56.40 | lcuk | you choose the style i believe |
| 22:57.02 | moontiger | yes it is themed but i just never found a theme i liked |
| 22:57.05 | lbt | according to some recent posts the visual style should be the same |
| 22:57.13 | lbt | for 'hildon' |
| 22:57.14 | moontiger | hmmmmmmm then that would be nice |
| 22:57.27 | moontiger | but its a very large lib install |
| 22:57.34 | lcuk | so is a reflash |
| 22:57.39 | moontiger | the demo app in the repos is 7+mb |
| 22:58.07 | lcuk | thats tiny in real terms, dont reject it before we see what it has to offer :) |
| 22:58.21 | moontiger | well the nit only has 256mb storage |
| 22:58.30 | moontiger | half of which gets eaten anyways |
| 22:58.51 | lcuk | and if a whole generation of apps comes across and uses the libraries we wont need as much space for the old stuff |
| 22:59.00 | moontiger | true dat |
| 22:59.02 | lcuk | it works in the long run :) |
| 22:59.11 | lbt | OK - my code is now here : https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=721 |
| 22:59.25 | moontiger | i mean its cool if we switch over to qt as the base ... but having both seems a little daft on a nit |
| 22:59.41 | lbt | shopperView.cc contains the problem widget |
| 23:00.03 | lbt | MainWindow::create_list_view is where it is called |
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| 23:00.32 | lcuk | lbt, you have seen liqbase, i currently save away all new sketches automatically and named to reflect, i dont like to ever over write anything, but i know this is inpractical. do you trust your users to make backups of the shopping list and stuff |
| 23:00.32 | yacoob | uh... ssh connection to the tablet freezes ever so often :( |
| 23:00.36 | lbt | I've thrown it at the autobuilder |
| 23:00.57 | lbt | lcuk: I give them file->save |
| 23:01.06 | lbt | :D |
| 23:01.14 | lcuk | but for the sketching thats long winded, in draw out |
| 23:01.16 | lbt | (I also save on exit) |
| 23:01.32 | lbt | (and open on startup) |
| 23:01.38 | feingarden | Okay, first attempt at DosBox install gives error that packages are missing, specifically libasound2 and libsdl-net1.2. Which repository is the best source for those? |
| 23:01.40 | moontiger | i use sqlite :) |
| 23:01.49 | lcuk | i like the way the wikis work, but this cannot be implimented without a database properly |
| 23:01.56 | lbt | you need to provide some management - some sketches need binning |
| 23:02.03 | lcuk | and i want to share small subset folders without needing an extract |
| 23:02.04 | GeneralAntilles | yacoob, wifi PSM |
| 23:02.07 | lbt | versioning? |
| 23:02.09 | lcuk | thats true, and any can be removed |
| 23:02.13 | lcuk | but i keep history |
| 23:02.18 | lbt | git |
| 23:02.22 | GeneralAntilles | Turn it off and kill your battery life or keep something network-related running on the other side. |
| 23:02.22 | lcuk | well this is kinda what im thinking about |
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| 23:02.51 | lcuk | the evolution of a set of related sketches sounds afwully like the evolution of a set of source files |
| 23:03.09 | lcuk | and the way they link together and are used in the project needs tracking |
| 23:03.26 | lbt | octopus merges |
| 23:03.46 | lcuk | just looking.. |
| 23:03.49 | yacoob | GeneralAntilles, I just wonder whether tcpkeepalives would help here. If tablet gets traffic, it won't turn off the wireless... |
| 23:04.58 | lbt | well, I've had a good night - I've fixed all my known crash bugs in shopper - a few other useability ones and just have the one left which is a bit of a pain... |
| 23:05.16 | lcuk | great stuff! |
| 23:05.31 | lcuk | thanks for this pointer, looks like ill be reading for some time :) |
| 23:05.32 | lbt | so lets see if autobuilder does 3.3-buggy1 for the morning and I'll hit it again when I'm fresh... |
| 23:05.44 | lcuk | bank holiday tomorrow? |
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| 23:05.55 | lcuk | doesnt know where you are |
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| 23:06.04 | lbt | you need a proper linux box so you can play with git and some of the other stuff |
| 23:06.09 | lbt | I'm in Reading - so yes |
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| 23:06.25 | lbt | (you have a bad memory mcr boy) |
| 23:06.59 | lcuk | yes i know and ive setup the laptop now so will be doing more on it in the next couple of weeks |
| 23:07.30 | lbt | gitk I think is the gui - quite helpful to see git repos |
| 23:08.55 | lcuk | yer ill have a look, it does seem like what i want, or would at least recommend using when configuring sketch groups |
| 23:09.38 | lcuk | yes! just like a standard source editor doesnt care, as long as i think in terms of versioning and inform the operator as such i just say "bleugh and write over everything |
| 23:09.41 | moontiger | lbt i'll look thru the sources more later today ... looks ... complicated :) |
| 23:10.20 | lcuk | moontiger, have you ever been shopping, its serious business. they move stuff around on purpose. |
| 23:10.39 | moontiger | hehe yes i go often ... and they move stuff to increase impulse buying |
| 23:10.48 | moontiger | its careful psychology |
| 23:10.58 | lcuk | yes cos without shopper you forget what you want |
| 23:11.18 | lcuk | and depending upon hunger levels you impulse buy the bacon and tomatoes for some reason |
| 23:11.24 | moontiger | hahahaha |
| 23:11.28 | moontiger | is vegetarian |
| 23:11.53 | lcuk | its only bacon, i thought that was like your candy? |
| 23:12.17 | moontiger | naaaaaa i dont eat animals ... animals are friends not food! |
| 23:12.19 | moontiger | ;) |
| 23:12.45 | lcuk | lardman has converted me. i have seen the light and it has a smoked aroma |
| 23:12.48 | Pavlz | ltb if you want to enjoy with a GNU/linux box take the gp2x |
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| 23:15.29 | moontiger | hehehe |
| 23:15.51 | moontiger | Pavlz, what were you saying about cousins and aunts? |
| 23:17.10 | Pavlz | that your country does not say which end they did |
| 23:17.17 | Pavlz | is impossible |
| 23:18.37 | moontiger | Pavlz, not my country ... im just visiting |
| 23:18.44 | moontiger | you mean how they died? |
| 23:19.18 | Pavlz | no |
| 23:19.57 | Pavlz | i need only and address or a zip, and i find him |
| 23:20.04 | moontiger | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 23:20.08 | *** part/#maemo mikma (i=mikma@reaktio.net) |
| 23:20.12 | moontiger | well they have privacy laws here |
| 23:20.18 | Pavlz | i find the broker ball of viagra |
| 23:20.18 | moontiger | have you tried googleing them? |
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| 23:20.49 | Pavlz | and i gave to the fbi |
| 23:21.28 | Pavlz | we too have privacy |
| 23:22.07 | Pavlz | but are my cousins and aunt |
| 23:22.08 | moontiger | im not understanding you properly ... im sorry :| |
| 23:22.25 | moontiger | well anybody can say they are cousins and aunt |
| 23:22.47 | Pavlz | it seems not so easy |
| 23:23.00 | Pavlz | all beginned 1 month ago |
| 23:23.04 | moontiger | they moved here? |
| 23:23.25 | Pavlz | and usa are not able to find people |
| 23:23.36 | moontiger | well it is a big place |
| 23:23.44 | Pavlz | 20 years ago are arrived in USA |
| 23:23.57 | moontiger | ok |
| 23:24.04 | Pavlz | i take contact with whitehouse.gov |
| 23:24.29 | moontiger | you are trying to get in contact with them yes? |
| 23:24.32 | Pavlz | with american embassy in rome (italy) |
| 23:24.51 | Pavlz | with italian embassy in wdc |
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| 23:25.29 | Pavlz | and with ministero degli esteri (italia) |
| 23:25.54 | Pavlz | i waith only a reply from vice pesident of usa |
| 23:25.57 | moontiger | Pavlz, what are u trying to do? |
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| 23:26.11 | Pavlz | to contact them |
| 23:26.17 | moontiger | ahhhhhhhhhh finally right |
| 23:26.22 | moontiger | and u have no address? |
| 23:26.28 | Pavlz | no |
| 23:26.33 | moontiger | and u cant find them |
| 23:26.39 | moontiger | have u tried google? |
| 23:26.44 | Pavlz | yes |
| 23:26.53 | moontiger | what state did they live in? |
| 23:27.03 | Pavlz | i don't know |
| 23:27.22 | Pavlz | this must to know usa |
| 23:27.40 | moontiger | ok i have to go out for half hour |
| 23:27.42 | moontiger | brb |
| 23:27.51 | Pavlz | not i, they pay tax, they say where they live |
| 23:28.01 | Pavlz | ok |
| 23:28.06 | Pavlz | we wait here |
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| 23:42.47 | Pavlz | google is a censorship |
| 23:43.43 | Pavlz | i tried to use httP://google.us and it redirect to http://google.it |
| 23:44.18 | Pavlz | max i got was http://google.com |
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