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| 00:00.35 | AStorm | mgedmin: ok, you've lost connection |
| 00:00.58 | AStorm | so, what's that nice app to make the nice AGPS of N82 available over Bluetooth? |
| 00:01.27 | mgedmin | A-GPS Beta? |
| 00:01.30 | AStorm | for Symbian obviously |
| 00:01.41 | mgedmin | no idea |
| 00:01.51 | mgedmin | I don't know if n810's software can make use of the cell info |
| 00:02.07 | AStorm | there was talk of AGPS support for n810 |
| 00:02.11 | mgedmin | there is |
| 00:02.22 | mgedmin | it needs an internet connection (either wifi or gprs of some kind) |
| 00:02.45 | AStorm | I'd only need the AGPS-enabled GPS of Nokia N82 to look like Bluetooth GPS receiver |
| 00:02.51 | mgedmin | I think all it does is download the current almanac/ephemeris/whatever data |
| 00:02.52 | AStorm | :> |
| 00:03.03 | AStorm | mgedmin: yes, it's called quick fix |
| 00:03.17 | AStorm | it downloads fresh ephemeris |
| 00:03.22 | AStorm | almanac wouldn't help as much |
| 00:03.30 | mgedmin | a turn-my-phone-into-bt-gps app would be cool |
| 00:03.53 | AStorm | unfortunately, I'd have to get my hands dirty with Symbian to code that |
| 00:04.04 | AStorm | though it's not impossible |
| 00:04.21 | mgedmin | hates the guy who decided on naming .documents, .sounds etc with a starting dot |
| 00:04.30 | AStorm | yes |
| 00:04.31 | mgedmin | how am I supposed to du -chs MyDocs/* ??? |
| 00:04.54 | AStorm | mgedmin: du -chs MyDocs/.[a-zA-Z0-9]* |
| 00:05.06 | mgedmin | how am I supposed to type [ and ] on my n810 ??? |
| 00:05.10 | AStorm | ... |
| 00:05.12 | mgedmin | yes, yes, I know, use the vkb |
| 00:05.13 | AStorm | with Fn |
| 00:05.31 | AStorm | ah, wait, that's just my customized layout ;P |
| 00:05.34 | AStorm | use Chr key |
| 00:05.35 | mgedmin | yep |
| 00:05.57 | AStorm | also, my layout is *still* not included in ukeyboard |
| 00:05.57 | mgedmin | hey, du is cool |
| 00:06.00 | AStorm | and it ownz |
| 00:06.13 | mgedmin | du -chs MyDocs/.* shows me I have 64 megs in MyDocs and 8 megs outside |
| 00:06.24 | mgedmin | I suspect it's du's hardlink-detection code that kicks in |
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| 00:07.03 | mgedmin | but it doesn't show me the .sounds/whatever |
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| 00:08.41 | mgedmin | wow, I have 17 megs of saved gps tracks |
| 00:08.50 | mgedmin | hadn't realised those were big |
| 00:08.57 | mgedmin | oh, right, xml |
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| 00:31.15 | pupnik | there was probably a reason for the . mgedmin |
| 00:32.05 | moontiger | pupnik, so do you do 3d stuff? |
| 00:32.34 | pupnik | i used to |
| 00:32.47 | pupnik | mostly 2d accel from 1987-1991 |
| 00:32.49 | moontiger | where at? |
| 00:32.53 | moontiger | oh ok |
| 00:32.57 | moontiger | games? |
| 00:33.01 | pupnik | no CAD |
| 00:33.07 | moontiger | ahhhhhhhhh i c |
| 00:33.24 | moontiger | cool :) |
| 00:33.29 | pupnik | luck |
| 00:34.10 | pupnik | so where do i go tonight |
| 00:34.17 | pupnik | to meet a nice lady friend type human |
| 00:34.18 | shapr | Middle East in Cambridge |
| 00:34.44 | pupnik | i could probably be in england in a few hours |
| 00:34.53 | shapr | Er, not that Cambridge! |
| 00:34.57 | AStorm | pupnik: well, if I could just have that kind of dilemma here ;P |
| 00:35.37 | pupnik | it was damn fun with lcuk in berlin |
| 00:35.59 | shapr | Come visit Boston! |
| 00:36.08 | pupnik | no ... can't visit USA |
| 00:36.12 | pupnik | am on terrorist list |
| 00:36.12 | shapr | why not? |
| 00:36.42 | shapr | really? |
| 00:36.42 | AStorm | pupnik: lol |
| 00:36.42 | AStorm | due to what? |
| 00:36.42 | pupnik | my opinions, dumbass |
| 00:36.42 | AStorm | mad bombing run? being jailed? ;P |
| 00:36.44 | AStorm | or just mental institution? |
| 00:36.45 | pupnik | no just speech, you fuck |
| 00:36.53 | pupnik | just opposing mass murder |
| 00:37.10 | AStorm | US is going downwards quick |
| 00:37.22 | shapr | Well, I left Sweden to move to the USA. |
| 00:37.26 | shapr | Sweden isn't much better. |
| 00:37.34 | AStorm | still is better |
| 00:37.44 | pupnik | german |
| 00:37.51 | pupnik | y isn't much better either |
| 00:37.52 | shapr | For some things Sweden is better than the USA. Not for software dev. |
| 00:38.01 | Proteous | the govment just be trying to protect us |
| 00:38.04 | Proteous | from ourselfs |
| 00:38.08 | Proteous | we be too dumb to do it |
| 00:38.16 | Proteous | please mr govment |
| 00:38.22 | pupnik | you're right shapr ... it's all not so binary O|1 |
| 00:38.23 | Proteous | help us be safe |
| 00:38.24 | AStorm | the bush-man is smrt |
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| 00:38.28 | shapr | pupnik: yup |
| 00:38.37 | shapr | pupnik: Sweden was much better for healthy food though. I liked that. |
| 00:38.49 | shapr | It's cheaper to buy healthy food in Sweden. Cheaper to buy fattening food in the USA. |
| 00:39.04 | pupnik | also bad food... chickens with shit all over the meat |
| 00:39.04 | Proteous | I needs my pork rinds and tato chips |
| 00:39.10 | AStorm | it's not cheap to buy proper food in Poland too :/ |
| 00:39.18 | AStorm | it's getting more and more expensive |
| 00:39.26 | pupnik | the chicken in usa tastes like shit... because you are eating meat covered in chicken shit |
| 00:39.33 | shapr | pupnik: I haven't had that problem. |
| 00:39.36 | AStorm | same almost everywhere |
| 00:39.43 | AStorm | it tastes like fish |
| 00:39.51 | AStorm | it's so wrong on many levels |
| 00:40.00 | shapr | I had some beefalo not too long ago, that was tasty. |
| 00:40.03 | pupnik | i'm gonna start killing my own animals |
| 00:40.11 | AStorm | pupnik: cat soup? ;P |
| 00:40.17 | shapr | squirrel soup is good! |
| 00:40.32 | pupnik | yes... that means 96% vegetarian |
| 00:40.37 | pupnik | just 4% killing |
| 00:40.53 | shapr | Life feeds on life. |
| 00:40.58 | pupnik | will go do now... ttyl |
| 00:41.01 | AStorm | except plants |
| 00:41.14 | AStorm | you're not a plant, btw |
| 00:41.17 | shapr | waves at pupnik |
| 00:48.33 | lardman | ~lart unmatching checksums |
| 00:48.33 | infobot | frags unmatching checksums with his BFG9000 |
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| 00:51.04 | shapr | Is it easy to get my mac address from /proc somewhere? |
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| 00:51.26 | lardman | ifconfig? |
| 00:51.45 | lardman | or look in control panel is probably easiest |
| 00:51.46 | Proteous | look under the battery cover? |
| 00:51.59 | lardman | hi lcuk2 |
| 00:52.01 | shapr | I mean, programmatically... |
| 00:52.07 | shapr | I want to generate GUIDs. |
| 00:52.21 | AStorm | shapr: well, uuidgen is there :> |
| 00:52.22 | shapr | lardman: Yeah, ifconfig is probably best, thanks. |
| 00:52.29 | AStorm | in e2fsprogs |
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| 00:53.01 | shapr | hmm |
| 00:53.13 | shapr | AStorm: thanks |
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| 00:56.06 | n800m | i think it's programily |
| 00:57.36 | moontiger | is there a way to *properly* find out what modules my app actually needs as opposed to just commenting them out and seeing it it still runs? |
| 00:57.48 | moontiger | im coding in python btw |
| 00:59.25 | lardman | just comment them out, should be pretty easy to work it out |
| 01:00.07 | lcuk2 | hi lardman, you are up late |
| 01:00.07 | moontiger | ok cool... thats what i am doing ... just wondered if there was a *proper* way ... thnx :) |
| 01:00.14 | lcuk2 | moontiger, there is no magic button |
| 01:00.30 | lardman | Not that I've ever tried :) |
| 01:00.41 | lcuk2 | get an ide which has an intelligence library and knows how to read code and you might have it |
| 01:00.51 | moontiger | cool thnx :) |
| 01:01.18 | moontiger | im not that good with python yet so i dont know if there is some stuff going on behind the scenes that might bite me |
| 01:01.19 | lcuk2 | you are thinking like microsoft and expecting everything built in, for most stuff, expect to get to know the library before you can use it |
| 01:01.23 | lardman | votes for it writing the code too! |
| 01:02.02 | moontiger | just trying to reduce the footprint is all :) |
| 01:02.08 | lcuk2 | its been a bit of a culture shock to me, but googling the function of class usually brings up enough |
| 01:02.42 | shapr | moontiger: You could always do explicit imports. |
| 01:02.46 | lcuk2 | is starting to feel comfortable with linux now |
| 01:02.47 | moontiger | heh i know what you mean :) |
| 01:03.01 | moontiger | shapr, you mean with "import blahblah" |
| 01:03.02 | moontiger | ? |
| 01:03.32 | moontiger | lcuk, me too ... i wouldnt want to go back to windows programming if i had a choice ... i like the linux way |
| 01:04.08 | lcuk2 | the only thing i actively like about windows is vb classic.. |
| 01:04.42 | lcuk2 | i cannot stand anything produced since .net came out |
| 01:05.36 | shapr | moontiger: Yeah |
| 01:05.53 | shapr | lcuk2: After ten years of being microsoft free, I got a .NET job in January. |
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| 01:06.23 | shapr | lcuk2: So far, the only good point of Visual Studio is that it has pretty graphical designers. But its flaws make VS an overall negative. |
| 01:06.38 | moontiger | shapr, im doing that already thnx :) funny bout the .NOT job ;) |
| 01:06.50 | moontiger | i cant stand vs2008 |
| 01:06.51 | shapr | I'm doing SharePoint dev for a living. I mostly use emacs/cygwin/etc. |
| 01:07.34 | moontiger | lcuk2, yah i think they lost the plot since ballmer took charge |
| 01:07.54 | shapr | Microsoft dev makes me crazy. |
| 01:08.06 | lardman | ~lart bitreading code |
| 01:08.06 | infobot | hauls bitreading code up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles |
| 01:08.22 | lcuk2 | shapr, a portion of our codebase has been recoded in .shit over the last 2 years. it makes me shudder when i see just how slow simple things are |
| 01:08.50 | moontiger | yah ... i was always in mfc / atl stuff |
| 01:08.52 | lcuk2 | it looks pretty some of the time, but the graphical glitches and general sluggishness are just dire |
| 01:08.57 | shapr | The only thing worse is all the programmers I meet who have only ever microsoft, have never even heard of the alternatives. |
| 01:09.01 | shapr | ever used* |
| 01:09.08 | lcuk2 | which also explains why i dont like using hildon .. ;) |
| 01:09.09 | moontiger | yah |
| 01:09.34 | lcuk2 | shapr, you get used to the libraries |
| 01:10.02 | lcuk2 | its like a comfort zone where you know how it all works. |
| 01:10.04 | shapr | Yeah, but I doubt I'll ever get used to the instability of the apps. |
| 01:10.21 | lcuk2 | uncertainty is the worst one |
| 01:10.27 | moontiger | thats what happens when you lower the barrier to entry so much |
| 01:10.36 | shapr | Yeah, it's hard to change. |
| 01:10.51 | shapr | But I knew that ten years ago, that's why I refused to take a microsoft job for that time :-) |
| 01:11.08 | moontiger | now you've turned to the dark side luke... |
| 01:11.14 | shapr | Because I now know that linux, etc makes programming that much easier. |
| 01:11.22 | lcuk2 | the main rebuilt app in .net is having a problem. when left alone for a few minutes it would deadlock. no reason or anything. i got called in today to see if i could work my usual magic (i have an ability to track and identify bugs and clean them effectively..) |
| 01:11.33 | shapr | moontiger: Now I get to demonstrate cygwin, etc to my coworkers. |
| 01:11.34 | lcuk2 | i found out it has a listening port |
| 01:11.41 | shapr | ! |
| 01:11.55 | shapr | um, why? |
| 01:11.58 | lcuk2 | i asked the main dev what it was and he had no idea his app was making network connections |
| 01:12.03 | shapr | sheesh |
| 01:12.03 | moontiger | ?? |
| 01:12.39 | lcuk2 | it really pisses me off |
| 01:12.44 | shapr | lcuk2: Did you figure out why it's listening? |
| 01:12.55 | moontiger | or what its listening for?? |
| 01:12.58 | lcuk2 | i know every line of code in my applications and would know for certain what every little bit does |
| 01:13.13 | lcuk2 | no because ive not got 2008 on my machine |
| 01:13.13 | moontiger | barrier to entry == too low |
| 01:13.18 | lardman | even if you wrote it while drunk...? |
| 01:13.25 | lardman | ;) |
| 01:13.27 | lcuk2 | heh lardman :D |
| 01:13.38 | lcuk2 | ok 1 little thing :P |
| 01:13.44 | lcuk2 | you bastard! |
| 01:13.45 | lardman | :) |
| 01:13.56 | lcuk2 | oh shit, i just woke the missus |
| 01:14.17 | shapr | shh! |
| 01:14.20 | lardman | oops |
| 01:14.32 | shapr | manchester? ma? |
| 01:14.37 | lcuk2 | uk |
| 01:14.54 | shapr | ah, too bad. Manchester, MA is about fifteen minutes drive from here. |
| 01:15.04 | lcuk2 | its only 1 thing - i ask about things like threads and code running |
| 01:15.11 | lcuk2 | he blanks it "none of my code is running" |
| 01:15.26 | lcuk2 | i never said your code, i said whats happening whilst the form is on screen |
| 01:15.35 | lcuk2 | what times are there, whats being kicked off |
| 01:15.44 | shapr | Most .net programmers don't know. |
| 01:15.53 | lardman | lcuk2: you're ranting ;) |
| 01:15.56 | shapr | I still don't know much yet :-( |
| 01:15.56 | lcuk2 | of course |
| 01:16.29 | lcuk2 | lardman, do i recall you saying you had installed liqbase |
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| 01:16.57 | lardman | yep, very nice |
| 01:17.02 | lardman | as expected |
| 01:17.12 | lcuk2 | is it still on your system? |
| 01:17.18 | lardman | yep |
| 01:17.26 | lcuk2 | ill send you a mail in a minute |
| 01:17.30 | moontiger | shapr, do you go to codeproject.com ? |
| 01:17.36 | lardman | you're not the phantom-font-changer are you? |
| 01:17.41 | lcuk2 | just got a sketch on it, i would like to see if somethings possible |
| 01:17.51 | lcuk2 | what do you mean? |
| 01:18.04 | lardman | my menu font has changed |
| 01:18.09 | lcuk2 | what to? |
| 01:18.15 | lardman | little |
| 01:18.25 | lcuk2 | i dont see how |
| 01:18.28 | lcuk2 | which menu? |
| 01:18.47 | lardman | only for desktop messages (like screen locked) & the hw off button menu |
| 01:18.57 | lardman | no worries, it's not liqbase |
| 01:19.11 | lcuk2 | ahhh k, what is it? |
| 01:19.17 | lardman | no idea |
| 01:19.23 | lardman | not too bothered |
| 01:21.02 | n800m | it was microsoft |
| 01:21.33 | n800m | or these guys http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=mR-VVHxcFDQ&feature=related |
| 01:23.25 | lcuk2 | actually simon, doesnt matter for tonight, its bedtime i think |
| 01:24.21 | lardman | yeah, I'm feeling pretty tired now too |
| 01:24.41 | lardman | perhaps I'll actually go to sleep now |
| 01:24.54 | lcuk2 | you aint normally about this time of night |
| 01:25.10 | lardman | nah, I went to bed, but couldn't sleep |
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| 01:27.23 | lardman | converting dsp-tremor to use 16bit type buffers for 8bit data is enough to send anyone to sleep ;) |
| 01:27.24 | shapr | moontiger: What's that? |
| 01:27.45 | lardman | anyway, see you chaps tomorrow |
| 01:27.49 | shapr | waves |
| 01:28.06 | moontiger | codeproject.com is the best website and forums for ms dev work ... some very good people there to help if you need any questions answered |
| 01:28.14 | shapr | thanks |
| 01:28.22 | moontiger | np :) |
| 01:28.29 | shapr | My real problem is just lack of familiarity with the libs. I have a lot of programming experience. |
| 01:28.58 | moontiger | there are a lot of tutorials and articles there as well to show you how to do stuff ... i learn a lot from there when im doing something new |
| 01:29.08 | moontiger | check it out ;) |
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| 01:34.36 | lcuk2 | http://www.reddit.com/r/Bacon/comments/6x2ap/chipotle_blta_photo/ |
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| 03:17.44 | GeneralAntilles | Interesting bit on OMAP3: http://www.embedded.com/underthehood/210101486;jsessionid=S1PIBDKTEA45IQSNDLOSKH0CJUNN2JVN |
| 03:19.34 | mgedmin | hey, did the last diablo os update (the first one that was apt-gettable) have a changelog? |
| 03:19.41 | mgedmin | "email and browser changes" is a bit vague |
| 03:21.54 | GeneralAntilles | Modest and MicroB updates |
| 03:21.59 | GeneralAntilles | some fixes to text input |
| 03:22.09 | GeneralAntilles | and some fixes to icd2 |
| 03:22.23 | GeneralAntilles | Modest had a lot of its larger bugs fixed |
| 03:22.31 | GeneralAntilles | MicroB had some pretty big performance boosts |
| 03:23.19 | moontiger | does anyone know how to mount my n810 over sshfs NOT as root on the n810? |
| 03:23.21 | GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, http://tinyurl.com/5axvau |
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| 03:23.48 | mgedmin | moontiger: I do |
| 03:24.04 | moontiger | ummmmm could you enlighten me please :) |
| 03:24.34 | mgedmin | moontiger@laptop $ sshfs user@n810:/ my-n810 |
| 03:24.35 | brontide | bah, any pymaemo/pygtk experts... why does showing a dialog during a gobject.idle_add function cause the app to hang |
| 03:25.10 | moontiger | mgedmin, then it asks for a password and user doesnt have one |
| 03:25.14 | moontiger | thats where im stuck |
| 03:25.30 | mgedmin | set up pubkey auth |
| 03:25.38 | brontide | sudo gainroot; passwd user ? |
| 03:25.41 | mgedmin | if you don't have a ssh key, generate one with ssh-keygen |
| 03:25.49 | mgedmin | then ssh-copy-id user@my-n810 |
| 03:25.53 | moontiger | ughhhhhhh really? :| |
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| 03:26.01 | mgedmin | type in your password... aaah! |
| 03:26.13 | mgedmin | duh, of course 'user' has no password, and that's why you have problems |
| 03:26.14 | moontiger | this doesnt affect me actually USING my n810 afterwards does it? |
| 03:27.04 | gregorovius__ | nope |
| 03:27.18 | moontiger | so the password key is only for remote connections yes? |
| 03:27.28 | moontiger | (sorry im being dumb) |
| 03:27.49 | gregorovius__ | i created a password for user to login first, did the rest over ssh and then removed the passwd again |
| 03:27.55 | mgedmin | anyway, if you copy ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub to your n810 and put it into /home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys, you'll be able to do passwordless logins |
| 03:29.05 | moontiger | so ssh-keygen makes that file yes? |
| 03:29.52 | gregorovius__ | yes. if yu have gnome you can do it all with seahorse, btw |
| 03:30.11 | moontiger | i use xubuntu these days ... gnome i guess |
| 03:30.24 | moontiger | ok i got the .pub file |
| 03:30.34 | moontiger | now copy to my n810 and voila! yes? |
| 03:31.51 | gregorovius__ | pretty much |
| 03:32.30 | moontiger | ok so cool ... thnx so much ... again ! :) |
| 03:33.24 | gregorovius__ | funky |
| 03:35.06 | moontiger | hmmmmm still not working |
| 03:37.04 | moontiger | is .ssh/autorized_keys a directory? |
| 03:41.13 | gregorovius__ | no, it's a file |
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| 03:43.16 | moontiger | so i rename the .pub file? im confused :| |
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| 03:48.12 | gregorovius__ | moontiger, copy the contents into the file |
| 03:48.13 | moontiger | ok i think i got it .... the "cat blah >> blee" thing threw me :/ |
| 03:48.28 | moontiger | sorry for being dumb ... this stuff is kinda new to me |
| 03:48.35 | moontiger | i got it now :) |
| 03:48.37 | moontiger | thnx |
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| 03:49.36 | _gregorovius_ | no problem :) |
| 03:50.15 | moontiger | thats so cool :) now i can stop using sbox so much :) |
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| 03:56.34 | moontiger | way cool ... now i have to fully hildonize my app ... its running ok enough already ... exciting :) |
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| 04:02.06 | moontiger | omg i can actually edit ON the n810! that is way cool :) |
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| 04:25.07 | bef0rd | cool moontiger |
| 04:25.13 | bef0rd | what are you developing on? |
| 04:25.26 | bef0rd | I mean, python, c? |
| 04:25.33 | moontiger | well im using python to write a desktop applet |
| 04:25.40 | moontiger | my first attempt |
| 04:25.41 | moontiger | :) |
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| 04:27.10 | bef0rd | oh cool |
| 04:27.18 | bef0rd | needs some python / gtk help |
| 04:30.42 | moontiger | maybe i can help :) |
| 04:30.49 | moontiger | wassup? |
| 04:33.06 | moontiger | bef0rd, what do you need help with? |
| 04:33.36 | bef0rd | heh ok |
| 04:33.45 | bef0rd | I really know zero about GTK |
| 04:34.01 | bef0rd | I was trying to make this simple app |
| 04:34.31 | bef0rd | It'll download a random image from a server every X minutes, and display it |
| 04:36.46 | bef0rd | This is what I've done so far |
| 04:37.21 | bef0rd | http://slexy.org/view/s20tOXI9AT |
| 04:37.21 | bef0rd | I'm new to python as well :P |
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| 04:41.34 | bef0rd | so, what it does atm is to load the random image but only once the app is loaded |
| 04:41.50 | bef0rd | I can't figure out how to make it change the image |
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| 04:51.22 | moontiger | is looking |
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| 04:52.27 | moontiger | bef0rd, im looking and i can see some stuff that could be better :) |
| 04:53.33 | bef0rd | cool :) |
| 04:53.39 | moontiger | bef0rd, is the image getting saved to the nokia? |
| 04:54.04 | bef0rd | atm it is |
| 04:54.19 | bef0rd | I suppose I can add an option to 'cache' the images |
| 04:54.47 | bef0rd | if the user disables it, it will delete it before loading it |
| 04:55.36 | moontiger | so whats not happening? |
| 04:56.04 | moontiger | ahhhhhhhhh sorry ... i just read above |
| 04:56.11 | bef0rd | yep that |
| 04:56.59 | moontiger | btw... all that "window = hildon.Window()" then "self.window = window" isnt necessary |
| 04:57.10 | moontiger | just do "self.window = hildon.Window()" |
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| 04:58.36 | moontiger | also... i dont see why you would do threading in this context ... seems unnecessary to me |
| 04:58.42 | Dekaritae | Could someone test something for me? |
| 04:58.56 | moontiger | the problem is ... where are you calling the "getcat" function from? |
| 04:58.58 | Dekaritae | If I try to load this image in Image Viewer, it crashes |
| 04:59.07 | moontiger | Dekaritae, what image? |
| 04:59.07 | Dekaritae | http://dekaritae.nothingtrend.com/uploads/Translink_Vancouver.gif |
| 04:59.59 | moontiger | Dekaritae, works fine here |
| 05:00.05 | Dekaritae | Hmm |
| 05:02.03 | Dekaritae | Oki thanks |
| 05:02.32 | bef0rd | moontiger, the 'changeCat' method? |
| 05:02.45 | moontiger | bef0rd, yes |
| 05:03.20 | bef0rd | I think I'm calling it from 'outside' of the program class, 'Meow' |
| 05:03.23 | moontiger | oh i see... |
| 05:03.32 | moontiger | why not just use a timer inside the class? |
| 05:03.52 | bef0rd | oh, that could work heh |
| 05:03.58 | bef0rd | a timer with gobject? |
| 05:04.08 | bef0rd | or is there any other approach? |
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| 05:04.40 | moontiger | a gobject.time_out() |
| 05:05.30 | bef0rd | ok so where should I put the timer? |
| 05:05.33 | moontiger | there are always many other ways ... some better ... some not so ... its all choice but i would use a gobject.timeout_add() |
| 05:05.45 | bef0rd | _init? |
| 05:05.54 | moontiger | well you kick it off in the init function so it starts with the app |
| 05:06.02 | moontiger | then in the timer handler you re-init it |
| 05:06.03 | bef0rd | ok |
| 05:06.06 | bef0rd | tries |
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| 05:07.43 | moontiger | have a look in there for some ideas :) |
| 05:07.50 | bef0rd | thanks |
| 05:08.05 | bef0rd | let's see if the file transfer works heh |
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| 05:13.51 | moontiger | try one more time |
| 05:14.03 | moontiger | or msg me ur email and i'll send |
| 05:14.29 | bef0rd | thanks, munozferna at gmail.com |
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| 05:16.44 | moontiger | ok gimme 2mins |
| 05:18.08 | moontiger | chk email ... from "lauren" ;) |
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| 05:28.23 | brontide | beats gtk to a bloody pulp |
| 05:29.01 | bef0rd | moontiger, thanks again |
| 05:29.12 | moontiger | bef0rd, glad to help :) |
| 05:29.33 | moontiger | awwwwwwwwww brontide wassup with gtk now? |
| 05:29.42 | brontide | Finally figured out that both idle_add and threads require a gtk.gdk.threads_init() and enter/leave blocks, but gobject style stuff doesn't work |
| 05:30.33 | brontide | Now almost all blocking stuff is idle'ed or threaded under DialCentral fka Grandcentral Dialer and it's far more responsive |
| 05:30.47 | brontide | ( not that it was bad before ) |
| 05:30.50 | brontide | ;-) |
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| 06:00.27 | pupnik | ahha |
| 06:00.27 | pupnik | ah a |
| 06:00.28 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:01.09 | pupnik | nah |
| 06:01.57 | n800n | take on me? |
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| 06:02.20 | zap | uh, uhuh, huhuh, huhhh |
| 06:06.34 | moontiger | Khertan, how do i package my applet up for dist? its still rough but it works so i would love to get some feedback from a few users :) |
| 06:08.40 | zap | hates python applets, they eat up CPU |
| 06:08.46 | zap | and battery |
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| 06:10.18 | n800n | what applet |
| 06:11.09 | zap | home* |
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| 06:12.46 | moontiger | ummmmm sheesh.... im scared to say now :| |
| 06:13.25 | n800n | don't listen to the python haters |
| 06:13.25 | moontiger | it get stuff from google calendar and show it on the home screen |
| 06:13.40 | n800n | cool |
| 06:14.15 | moontiger | yah well it kinda works for me as i just want to see a scrollable list of events coming up for as far into the future as i choose |
| 06:14.16 | pupnik | fuck all of us |
| 06:14.17 | pupnik | death death death comes |
| 06:14.58 | moontiger | its my forst app for maemo so it has a lot of room for improvement but it does work and do something useful already |
| 06:15.04 | moontiger | forst = first |
| 06:15.04 | n800n | moontiger, i'd try it bu i've never used google calendar |
| 06:15.35 | moontiger | heh i only use it for work stuff ... this means i wont forget appts |
| 06:15.38 | moontiger | :) |
| 06:15.49 | n800n | unless |
| 06:15.58 | n800n | you're offline |
| 06:16.11 | moontiger | no ... it takes care of that |
| 06:16.17 | moontiger | has local storage etc etc |
| 06:17.06 | zap | moontiger: make sure your applet is inactive at least when desktop is invisible |
| 06:17.27 | pupnik | listen to bach when you die |
| 06:17.33 | pupnik | you will die |
| 06:17.35 | zap | moontiger: I've installed yesterday homeip, homediskfree and homecpu and this morning my N810 was dead |
| 06:17.39 | pupnik | listen to bach |
| 06:18.00 | pupnik | you will die |
| 06:18.00 | zap | yes, Bach is a good addition to python applets |
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| 06:18.27 | n800n | : |
| 06:18.33 | n800n | ; / |
| 06:18.39 | n800n | is he ok |
| 06:18.48 | zap | I hope he's not too drunk :) |
| 06:18.58 | n800n | oh that's all? |
| 06:19.28 | zap | drunk+depression perhaps :) |
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| 06:20.00 | n800n | they go together |
| 06:20.25 | n800n | hangovers are there to fix that |
| 06:20.52 | moontiger | zap: ummmmm ... inactive as in? |
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| 06:21.28 | moontiger | zap, i c ... this one doesnt poll anything unless you tell it to |
| 06:21.42 | moontiger | it does an initial data load and leaves it until you refresh |
| 06:22.04 | moontiger | there is (will be really soon) to set an auto-update period (in hours) |
| 06:22.15 | moontiger | + an option |
| 06:22.22 | Khertan_n810 | zap: python applet don t drain battery |
| 06:22.37 | Khertan_n810 | at least if they are well coded |
| 06:23.00 | moontiger | i will leave mine "running" all night to test |
| 06:23.14 | Khertan_n810 | as when device idle they idle too |
| 06:23.31 | moontiger | my understanding is that if i draw something to the home screen and do not update it then no battery drain will occur ... correct? |
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| 06:23.43 | Khertan_n810 | mine have run 7 days without problem |
| 06:24.00 | Khertan_n810 | moontiger: correct |
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| 06:24.15 | moontiger | Khertan_n810, where can i get your pypackager thingy from? |
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| 06:24.54 | Khertan_n810 | if you use gobject timeout just shutdown it in the background call back |
| 06:25.17 | Khertan_n810 | pypackager is available for chinook but not for diablo |
| 06:25.38 | Khertan_n810 | as with diablo you can t upload to repository |
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| 06:25.44 | moontiger | background callback: yes nice ... how then do ipackage my lil thingy ? |
| 06:26.00 | Khertan_n810 | if you want to diablo repository use py2deb |
| 06:26.09 | moontiger | ok cool thanks :) |
| 06:26.34 | moontiger | my app isnt anywhere near as nice as yours are yet but im still learning :) |
| 06:27.09 | Khertan_n810 | install py2deb and look at /usr/lib/python2.5/site-package/py2deb.py |
| 06:27.16 | Khertan_n810 | as there is no doc yet |
| 06:27.24 | moontiger | ok will do |
| 06:27.27 | Khertan_n810 | i m still learning too |
| 06:27.28 | moontiger | thnx so much :) |
| 06:27.40 | Khertan_n810 | and ask if you need help :) |
| 06:27.45 | moontiger | will do :) |
| 06:28.50 | moontiger | its a cmdline tool yes? |
| 06:29.02 | Khertan_n810 | http://pastebin.com/f367fb9f |
| 06:29.06 | Khertan_n810 | yep |
| 06:31.33 | Khertan_n810 | a makefile for py2deb example |
| 06:31.33 | Khertan_n810 | in fact the one for mcalendar |
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| 06:31.42 | moontiger | ahhhhhhh i see ... you made this specific to mcalendar ... so i just edit the stuff i need and run it yes? |
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| 06:32.20 | Khertan_n810 | it a example of makefile :) |
| 06:32.27 | Khertan_n810 | yep edit it |
| 06:32.29 | moontiger | nice! |
| 06:32.41 | Khertan_n810 | and then scp to extras builder |
| 06:32.45 | moontiger | i see you dont put pygtk etc as depends ... can they be relied upon to be there? |
| 06:33.17 | Khertan_n810 | it depends of what u need |
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| 06:47.32 | Khertan_n810 | i m back |
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| 07:02.19 | moontiger | on the cellfone connection? |
| 07:02.54 | moontiger | Khertan_n810, how did you get those nice transparent backgrounds? is that the cairo stuff? |
| 07:03.15 | Khertan_n810 | yep |
| 07:03.16 | Khertan_n810 | cairo |
| 07:03.32 | Khertan_n810 | yep cellphone connection |
| 07:03.33 | moontiger | doh! i didnt want to do all that stuff but it looks so nice :| |
| 07:04.02 | Khertan_n810 | at home and work i use the nick Khertan |
| 07:04.03 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 07:04.20 | moontiger | what work do you do? |
| 07:04.24 | moontiger | if its ok to ask |
| 07:05.05 | moontiger | brb making some tea |
| 07:05.31 | Khertan_n810 | i m a software engineer |
| 07:05.39 | Khertan_n810 | working in small company ... |
| 07:06.10 | Khertan_n810 | mainly dev using the rad 4d |
| 07:06.14 | Khertan_n810 | 4d.com |
| 07:06.23 | Khertan_n810 | a french rad |
| 07:07.27 | moontiger | nice |
| 07:07.37 | moontiger | are you going to be in long beach in october? |
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| 07:08.27 | Khertan_n810 | long beach ? vacancy ... haha no :) |
| 07:08.40 | Khertan_n810 | s/vacancy/holiday |
| 07:08.56 | moontiger | shame ... its quite nice there ... i saw the conference thing on ur company home page |
| 07:09.10 | moontiger | vacation btw ;) |
| 07:09.23 | Khertan_n810 | i don t work for 4d i use their tool |
| 07:09.23 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 07:09.28 | moontiger | ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 07:09.44 | Khertan_n810 | hehe |
| 07:09.44 | moontiger | my bad i misunderstood :) |
| 07:09.46 | Khertan_n810 | i work for naxos ... |
| 07:09.46 | Khertan_n810 | naxos.fr |
| 07:09.54 | Khertan_n810 | which has been bought by nexity |
| 07:10.19 | moontiger | hmmmmm... its all in french ;) |
| 07:10.22 | Khertan_n810 | yes i know website is horrible |
| 07:10.25 | moontiger | are u in paris? |
| 07:10.48 | Khertan_n810 | yep |
| 07:10.51 | moontiger | nice |
| 07:11.00 | moontiger | im moving to madrid in december :) |
| 07:11.18 | Khertan_n810 | in fact at 'issy les moulineaux' |
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| 07:11.48 | Khertan_n810 | a south city of paris |
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| 07:12.16 | Khertan_n810 | but my office is at 300 of paris border :) |
| 07:12.18 | Khertan_n810 | 300m |
| 07:12.20 | moontiger | dont know it ... but i dont know paris so well ... only been there a few times |
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| 07:12.34 | Khertan_n810 | where do u live ? |
| 07:12.42 | moontiger | right now im in san francisco |
| 07:13.17 | Khertan_n810 | never see it irl :) |
| 07:13.35 | moontiger | its cool enough but im missing europe too much after 5yrs |
| 07:13.43 | Khertan_n810 | hehe |
| 07:14.12 | Khertan_n810 | i ve hesitate 2 year ago to go to mineapolis |
| 07:14.34 | moontiger | mineapolis .... i drove thru it once ... glad to leave |
| 07:14.43 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 07:14.52 | moontiger | i lived in nyc before here |
| 07:14.58 | moontiger | and before that south africa |
| 07:15.38 | Khertan_n810 | i have a job there ... but my wife can t work nin us |
| 07:15.47 | Khertan_n810 | s/sin/in |
| 07:16.00 | moontiger | shame! i think its going to get better here if obama wins |
| 07:16.43 | Khertan_n810 | diplonope |
| 07:16.44 | Khertan_n810 | nope |
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| 07:17.01 | Khertan_n810 | diplome not recognized |
| 07:17.09 | moontiger | ahhhhh yes |
| 07:17.13 | moontiger | they are very strict here |
| 07:17.21 | Khertan_n810 | she is 'sage-femme' |
| 07:17.41 | moontiger | ? |
| 07:17.42 | Khertan_n810 | don t know how we say in english :) |
| 07:18.05 | moontiger | ahhh midwife |
| 07:18.10 | moontiger | to help with the babies |
| 07:18.18 | Khertan_n810 | a less graded doctor that help babyh to born |
| 07:18.25 | AStorm | yeah midwife |
| 07:18.41 | Khertan_n810 | midwife ... i ve learn sometning today |
| 07:18.45 | moontiger | :) |
| 07:19.04 | moontiger | whats the work situation like in europe these days? |
| 07:19.25 | AStorm | moontiger: depends on the country :| |
| 07:19.36 | Khertan_n810 | bad in france ... |
| 07:19.37 | moontiger | well im heading to madrid to start with |
| 07:20.02 | Khertan_n810 | but a bit better for software engineer |
| 07:20.18 | moontiger | cool ... what languages are used a lot there? |
| 07:20.39 | Khertan_n810 | economic situation is a bit bad at this time in france |
| 07:20.58 | Khertan_n810 | language in france ? french :) |
| 07:21.11 | moontiger | computer languages i mean :)~ |
| 07:21.32 | Khertan_n810 | java is the hype thing |
| 07:21.42 | moontiger | oh god ... not java :| |
| 07:22.15 | Khertan_n810 | yep i hate that things too |
| 07:22.21 | AStorm | Khertan_n810: impossible |
| 07:22.25 | aspect | I thought eiffel would be the go in france :) |
| 07:22.28 | AStorm | it's nowhere near as bad as in Poland |
| 07:22.29 | moontiger | its all java middle-ware |
| 07:22.42 | AStorm | well, it is Java suckage here too |
| 07:22.44 | moontiger | aspect, hahaha |
| 07:22.47 | AStorm | or .NET suckage |
| 07:22.50 | Khertan_n810 | there is also many sap / abap need |
| 07:22.55 | moontiger | eeeesh |
| 07:22.57 | AStorm | or low-level hardware :D |
| 07:23.05 | moontiger | hmmmmmmmmmmm that sounds fun |
| 07:23.11 | Khertan_n810 | .net too is well payed |
| 07:23.23 | moontiger | .NOT sucks but i can do it |
| 07:23.26 | AStorm | btw, I need to find something good for our "work practice" at uni |
| 07:23.32 | AStorm | moontiger: sucks less than Java |
| 07:23.39 | moontiger | true dat |
| 07:23.39 | Khertan_n810 | eiffel have never been used |
| 07:23.45 | AStorm | .nyet is the official codename |
| 07:23.46 | Khertan_n810 | except in univesity |
| 07:23.49 | moontiger | eiffel is just a teaching language |
| 07:23.55 | AStorm | Khertan_n810: and at Ericsson |
| 07:24.12 | moontiger | ericsson uses eiffel?? |
| 07:24.16 | AStorm | used |
| 07:24.16 | Khertan_n810 | seriously ? |
| 07:24.21 | AStorm | they created it |
| 07:24.33 | moontiger | ummmmm really? |
| 07:24.38 | Khertan_n810 | this why it s a so poor language |
| 07:24.39 | AStorm | check history |
| 07:24.45 | AStorm | it's unfinished ;P |
| 07:24.58 | Khertan_n810 | it s not started |
| 07:25.05 | AStorm | yeah sure |
| 07:25.16 | moontiger | Bertrand Meyer. |
| 07:25.22 | moontiger | he invented it |
| 07:25.30 | AStorm | ok, so, I want something in low-level programming or firmware |
| 07:25.30 | moontiger | as a demonstration of pure OO concepts |
| 07:25.37 | AStorm | do you have something in mind? :> |
| 07:25.51 | AStorm | moontiger: person... but check who backed it |
| 07:25.51 | Khertan_n810 | as400 is also used in many banks |
| 07:25.55 | aspect | AStorm: I think you're thinking of erlang :) |
| 07:25.57 | moontiger | ohhhh |
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| 07:26.22 | moontiger | i think python is a good OO language |
| 07:26.24 | Khertan_n810 | obj-c powa ! |
| 07:26.32 | Khertan_n810 | for low level stuff |
| 07:26.39 | moontiger | obj-c for iphones? |
| 07:26.51 | moontiger | is the iphone big over there? |
| 07:27.03 | AStorm | ARGH |
| 07:27.05 | AStorm | I;m wrong |
| 07:27.07 | AStorm | indeed |
| 07:27.17 | AStorm | aspect: sorry for misinformation |
| 07:27.20 | AStorm | my mistake |
| 07:27.24 | AStorm | I thought of Erlang |
| 07:27.44 | AStorm | Khertan_n810: obj-c isn't bad, but it's a bit... lacking |
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| 07:31.16 | AStorm | so, I need some fun environment which can sign the pointless "practice contract" with WUT |
| 07:31.34 | AStorm | which is 3-4 papers |
| 07:31.56 | Khertan | i m back :) |
| 07:32.00 | Khertan | i m at office now :) |
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| 07:32.22 | Khertan | AStorm: lacking of what , |
| 07:32.24 | Khertan | ? |
| 07:32.32 | AStorm | Khertan: of some nice syntax |
| 07:32.51 | AStorm | you see, message-passing isn't bad, but isn't convenient in many cases |
| 07:32.56 | Khertan | AStorm: this ... just a point of view |
| 07:33.03 | AStorm | yes |
| 07:33.10 | Khertan | i like it ... |
| 07:33.17 | AStorm | I like it too, more than C++ |
| 07:33.25 | AStorm | which has too much syntax, which is hacky |
| 07:33.33 | Khertan | but now i mainly use python ... it s clear that i prefer it ... but for low level stuff ... |
| 07:33.43 | Khertan | AStorm: personnaly i hate c++ |
| 07:33.55 | Khertan | it s not a language ... it s a hack |
| 07:33.59 | AStorm | for low-level stuff, nothing beats C augmented with assembly |
| 07:34.13 | Khertan | and i hate read or maintain source made by other |
| 07:34.24 | AStorm | some are nice, like Qt |
| 07:34.31 | Khertan | Qt ? |
| 07:34.31 | AStorm | but it's exception, not norm |
| 07:34.40 | Khertan | it s not a language ... |
| 07:34.50 | AStorm | I mean, code written by others ;P |
| 07:34.54 | Khertan | just a framework ... (which i don t like) |
| 07:34.56 | Khertan | ah :) |
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| 07:35.02 | Khertan | never see the qt source |
| 07:36.19 | AStorm | I guess I'll have to delve into Symbian and work with our resident master ;P |
| 07:36.32 | AStorm | get some connections |
| 07:36.44 | moontiger | i like c++ :) |
| 07:36.54 | moontiger | love asm too |
| 07:37.01 | AStorm | moontiger: you either don't know it, or don't use it (C++) |
| 07:37.18 | AStorm | try implementing a general anything in C++ :> |
| 07:37.20 | moontiger | hmmmm well ive been using it for quite a few years now |
| 07:37.29 | AStorm | templates *suck* |
| 07:37.38 | moontiger | i used to write trading systems in c++ |
| 07:37.52 | AStorm | writing iterators sucks too |
| 07:37.53 | moontiger | templates are great if you use them properly |
| 07:38.08 | AStorm | moontiger: ... they suck at their purpose, which is writing generic code |
| 07:38.14 | AStorm | it's much too hard for its worth |
| 07:38.28 | moontiger | well thats cos a lot of people cant write good iterators |
| 07:38.32 | moontiger | so they use stl |
| 07:38.45 | AStorm | because writing iterators is hard |
| 07:38.52 | AStorm | guess why :> |
| 07:38.58 | moontiger | its not really that hard |
| 07:39.10 | AStorm | 4 functions would be enough |
| 07:39.22 | moontiger | first last next prev |
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| 07:41.19 | AStorm | moontiger: yeah, so, give me a clean iterator example |
| 07:41.28 | AStorm | which will work over tree nodes |
| 07:41.37 | AStorm | (linked nodes) |
| 07:41.47 | AStorm | generic |
| 07:42.06 | AStorm | I lost a day doing that |
| 07:42.06 | moontiger | sigly linked or doubly linked nodes? |
| 07:42.12 | moontiger | singly even |
| 07:42.16 | AStorm | uhm, it's a tree |
| 07:42.23 | AStorm | with parent and child nodes |
| 07:42.42 | AStorm | next is the next child |
| 07:42.49 | AStorm | prev is the parent |
| 07:42.55 | AStorm | first and last are tricky :) |
| 07:43.20 | moontiger | hmmmmm i would prolly use recursion.... but that has problems |
| 07:43.24 | AStorm | any order of walk is acceptable |
| 07:43.29 | aspect | next is child or sibling? |
| 07:43.32 | AStorm | in-order, pre-order and post-order |
| 07:43.40 | AStorm | aspect: any is acceptable :> |
| 07:44.03 | AStorm | I prefer top-to-bottom, = in-order |
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| 07:44.14 | aspect | AStorm: no, I'm asking about your ADT. If you only have next/prev pointers it's not a tree afaict |
| 07:44.17 | AStorm | there is no "sibling" pointer |
| 07:44.31 | AStorm | aspect: it has only parent and child pointers |
| 07:44.38 | AStorm | standard tree |
| 07:44.49 | aspect | ok, I misunderstood what you said earlier |
| 07:44.50 | AStorm | multiple children |
| 07:45.00 | moontiger | ahhhhhhhhh so not a binary tree |
| 07:45.10 | aspect | doesn't hold enough c++ in his head to write the code anyway :) |
| 07:45.18 | aspect | it's trivial in scheme :) |
| 07:45.21 | AStorm | moontiger: if it were a binary tree, I could make it an array |
| 07:45.23 | AStorm | that is simple |
| 07:45.40 | AStorm | aspect: it's trivial in Python too |
| 07:45.45 | atul | Hi all, How do I install apt-pkg inside scratch-box |
| 07:45.49 | atul | ? |
| 07:45.49 | moontiger | except arrays have different performance metrics to binary trees |
| 07:45.54 | AStorm | atul: it should be there |
| 07:46.13 | AStorm | moontiger: no, different memory metrics |
| 07:46.15 | aspect | AStorm: not as trivial as in Scheme, I'll bet :) |
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| 07:46.25 | AStorm | aspect: close enough, but you're right :> |
| 07:47.03 | moontiger | thinks about it |
| 07:47.27 | AStorm | a specialization of the tree will walk an SQL database |
| 07:47.30 | atul | AStorm:= but when my application donig ./configure it is giving error message like "checking apt-pkg/configuration.h usability... no" why so ? |
| 07:47.40 | Khertan | laught as he use a high level language :) |
| 07:47.55 | AStorm | atul: it's probably missing apt-dev or sth |
| 07:48.07 | AStorm | Khertan: I would too, I prefer Python also |
| 07:48.13 | moontiger | well the trick is knowing if you have a sibling or need to cross a boundary |
| 07:48.16 | AStorm | BUT stupid companies prefer C++ |
| 07:48.17 | atul | AStorm:= what to do ? Do I need to install apt-dev ? |
| 07:48.27 | AStorm | moontiger: You have to move upwards to get a sibling |
| 07:48.33 | moontiger | right |
| 07:48.38 | aspect | doesn't mind low level languages when they're appropriate .. but c++ suffers from layer upon layer of ad-hoc greenspunning |
| 07:48.41 | AStorm | note, siblings "don't exist" unless you prod them |
| 07:48.55 | aspect | you keep a stack. isn't that how trees are always traversed? |
| 07:48.58 | AStorm | (as I said, I want to walk an SQL database representation of the tree) |
| 07:49.08 | AStorm | aspect: it's too heavy |
| 07:49.13 | moontiger | yah |
| 07:49.14 | AStorm | I want to close unneeded nodes |
| 07:49.15 | aspect | AStorm: ? |
| 07:49.36 | AStorm | aspect: nodes have to be "open" only when needed |
| 07:49.43 | AStorm | the representation will be used for A* |
| 07:49.51 | aspect | did I say anything about opening nodes? |
| 07:50.03 | AStorm | no, but you said you want to keep everything on a stack |
| 07:50.15 | AStorm | so can't free it if required |
| 07:50.40 | aspect | to visit a subtree you visit its root, if there's more than 1 child you push the root paired with the integer 1, then visit the subtree rooted at its first child |
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| 07:50.50 | moontiger | in what context would you use such a DS |
| 07:50.52 | moontiger | ? |
| 07:51.04 | aspect | if you can traverse a tree without keeping track of the info I'm putting on the stack, you should write a paper |
| 07:51.07 | AStorm | aspect: I want to lose the already traversed tree, thank you |
| 07:51.18 | AStorm | let me say again |
| 07:51.26 | aspect | so you push the remaining children |
| 07:51.29 | AStorm | I want a breadth-first iterator |
| 07:51.35 | AStorm | remaining children, yes |
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| 07:51.41 | AStorm | but w/o "loading" them |
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| 07:51.50 | AStorm | make that into C++ iterator |
| 07:51.55 | aspect | well, yes |
| 07:52.18 | aspect | you can push a pointer/reference/handle etc without dereferencing it. that would be standard practice I'd assume. unless you're a javanaut ;-) |
| 07:52.42 | AStorm | aspect: this is correct, problem is passing the stack to the iterators |
| 07:52.59 | AStorm | it either has to be global, or kept in some root structure |
| 07:53.05 | AStorm | tree-global |
| 07:53.07 | aspect | I'd have assumed it's internal to the iterator |
| 07:53.15 | AStorm | now, let's say I want to have concurrent access |
| 07:53.15 | aspect | but then, I don't care to know this much about c++ :-) |
| 07:53.17 | AStorm | ;P |
| 07:53.19 | atul | AStorm:= what to do ? Do I need to install apt-dev ?? |
| 07:53.25 | AStorm | atul: I think so |
| 07:53.48 | atul | HI all "checking apt-pkg/configuration.h usability... no" How to resolve this ? |
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| 07:54.04 | AStorm | atul: ... you need development headers for apt |
| 07:54.08 | AStorm | this means you want apt-dev |
| 07:54.09 | atul | AStorm:= I tryied that but it is failing |
| 07:54.11 | AStorm | install it |
| 07:54.16 | AStorm | huh how? |
| 07:54.32 | moontiger | AStorm, when would you use a sturcture like this? |
| 07:54.58 | AStorm | moontiger: breadth-first traversal? for A* (with minor modifications, like sorting on load) |
| 07:55.38 | AStorm | so, I need to keep an iterator-local stack |
| 07:55.49 | moontiger | sorting on load? wouldnt a simple binary tree do that? |
| 07:55.54 | AStorm | ... |
| 07:56.00 | AStorm | it's a stack actually |
| 07:56.03 | AStorm | how do I pass it |
| 07:56.12 | AStorm | it should be iterator-local |
| 07:57.20 | moontiger | pass it to what? |
| 07:57.28 | moontiger | im obviously not getting something here |
| 07:57.38 | AStorm | either to the recursive or non-recursive iterator |
| 07:57.52 | AStorm | actually, I could do a non-recursive specialized iterator |
| 07:57.56 | AStorm | but I want a generic one |
| 07:58.27 | moontiger | if you use recursion dont you risk stack over-run? |
| 07:58.33 | AStorm | generic breadth-first on a tree which is expanded in each iteration |
| 07:58.51 | AStorm | moontiger: well, it doesn't have to be recursive |
| 07:58.52 | AStorm | just generic |
| 07:59.05 | AStorm | trick is tree is extended in each iteration |
| 07:59.05 | moontiger | im not getting the purpose of the structure so its hard for me to get my head around the problem |
| 07:59.11 | moontiger | ahhhhhhhhh |
| 07:59.13 | moontiger | on load |
| 07:59.14 | moontiger | ok |
| 07:59.21 | moontiger | i get it |
| 07:59.23 | AStorm | also, there may be tree inserts too |
| 07:59.56 | moontiger | do the parent nodes know how many child nodes they have? |
| 08:00.23 | AStorm | how many, yes, but you can't know how many children the children have w/o loading them |
| 08:00.26 | AStorm | which is expensive |
| 08:00.31 | moontiger | right |
| 08:01.10 | moontiger | what did you come up with? |
| 08:01.36 | AStorm | I died at it |
| 08:01.50 | AStorm | in Python, it took a day to write the whole app |
| 08:02.05 | AStorm | because I can dynamically vary the structure in Python |
| 08:02.43 | moontiger | essentially each node would have to be a linked list (in c++) |
| 08:02.54 | AStorm | this is wrong |
| 08:03.00 | AStorm | it has to be a tree |
| 08:03.05 | AStorm | not tree of linked lists |
| 08:03.10 | moontiger | hmmmm |
| 08:03.20 | AStorm | there are no horizontal links |
| 08:03.21 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:03.24 | moontiger | ok |
| 08:03.47 | AStorm | ok, I lied |
| 08:03.48 | moontiger | interesting problem |
| 08:03.53 | AStorm | there are horizontal links |
| 08:04.34 | AStorm | it's apparently not a tree |
| 08:04.42 | AStorm | but a generic graph |
| 08:05.01 | moontiger | then its a "tree" of linked lists... each child node points to its parent node |
| 08:05.14 | AStorm | uhm, it's a graph, no linked lists |
| 08:05.21 | moontiger | ach!! |
| 08:05.21 | AStorm | it's a graph with one root node |
| 08:05.36 | moontiger | right ... but it has child nodes |
| 08:05.40 | AStorm | there can be only one parent |
| 08:05.44 | AStorm | but there can be loops |
| 08:05.52 | AStorm | :> |
| 08:05.54 | moontiger | ie, a list each of which point to their immediate parent |
| 08:06.06 | moontiger | and so on down |
| 08:06.15 | moontiger | im confused why that wouldnt work? |
| 08:06.16 | AStorm | might be, yes |
| 08:06.22 | AStorm | note, there can be loops |
| 08:06.30 | AStorm | you don't want to traverse them indefinitely |
| 08:06.42 | moontiger | that would be checking for circular refs i presume |
| 08:06.47 | AStorm | so a stack is needed |
| 08:06.49 | AStorm | yes |
| 08:07.04 | moontiger | a stack with only as many slots to hold to max potential loop size |
| 08:07.07 | AStorm | actually, in this algorithm, cycles are beneficial, they cut traversal time |
| 08:07.16 | AStorm | moontiger: with infinitely many slots |
| 08:07.21 | AStorm | so dynamically allocated |
| 08:07.26 | moontiger | right ... i just realized that |
| 08:07.29 | moontiger | yes |
| 08:07.40 | AStorm | and with nodes closed when not needed anymore |
| 08:07.47 | AStorm | so, a GC'd stack |
| 08:07.49 | moontiger | but you only have to keep track of the current path so to speak |
| 08:08.43 | moontiger | sounds interesting tho :) |
| 08:08.54 | moontiger | i like messing with data structures |
| 08:10.13 | AStorm | moontiger: current path and next possible hits :) |
| 08:10.33 | moontiger | oh yah .. i see that |
| 08:10.57 | AStorm | the hard part is the GC'd stack |
| 08:11.06 | moontiger | hmmmmmmm yes |
| 08:11.15 | AStorm | high-level languages give you cheap and easy GC |
| 08:11.23 | Khertan | GC ? |
| 08:11.24 | moontiger | well ... its easy if it can take 4 days to run ;) |
| 08:11.31 | Khertan | garbage collector :) |
| 08:11.32 | Khertan | ;) |
| 08:11.34 | moontiger | garbage collection |
| 08:11.35 | Khertan | sorry : |
| 08:11.37 | Khertan | :) |
| 08:12.00 | moontiger | AStorm, but it isnt too hard to write your own stack allocator |
| 08:12.18 | yacoob | hm... what do you people use for storing passwords on the tablet? |
| 08:12.27 | moontiger | files? |
| 08:12.48 | yacoob | that's very... generic :) |
| 08:12.54 | moontiger | sorry .... its late :) |
| 08:13.09 | moontiger | is feeling generic |
| 08:13.22 | yacoob | moontiger, but do you mean that you just keep stuff in a text file and gpg it in/out when needed? |
| 08:14.37 | moontiger | yacoob, actually i dont know ... i was thinking about it today myself ... right now its a home made enc stuffed in a database |
| 08:14.44 | AStorm | yacoob: actually, I keep passwords in my head |
| 08:14.50 | AStorm | it works |
| 08:14.55 | moontiger | but i would like to use mcrypt or something |
| 08:15.15 | lbt | look for and maybe port passwordsafe |
| 08:15.29 | lbt | counterpane version |
| 08:15.33 | yacoob | both password safe and gpasman suck in a different ways :) |
| 08:15.46 | lbt | yeah, security is like that |
| 08:16.08 | yacoob | on palm I was using cryptopad, and someone had a noble goal of making a similar app, but apparently got devoured by pack of angry rhinos some time ago |
| 08:16.28 | moontiger | i'll add it to my list when i get some time |
| 08:16.38 | moontiger | and i'll watch out for hungry rhinos |
| 08:16.39 | moontiger | ;) |
| 08:17.06 | AStorm | train your memory |
| 08:17.14 | AStorm | and make good passwords |
| 08:17.42 | yacoob | moontiger, if you'd be aiming for anything like that: I'm actually looking for storing notes, not only passwords. That's why both of existing software suck. |
| 08:17.57 | yacoob | AStorm, good luck memorizing pgp revocation certificate :D |
| 08:17.57 | AStorm | yacoob: storing notes == maemopad+ |
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| 08:18.08 | yacoob | does it encrypt them in any way? |
| 08:18.08 | AStorm | yacoob: well, that I keep on a safe CD |
| 08:18.17 | AStorm | no |
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| 08:20.16 | moontiger | is there no encryption functionality on maemo? |
| 08:20.40 | yacoob | there's plenty, it's lack of the userfriendly interface that aches |
| 08:20.45 | XTL | There must be. Any particular kind? |
| 08:20.58 | moontiger | i mean a programmer lib that i can use to make a simple app |
| 08:21.00 | Khertan | have tryed to port pycripto to maemo ... to be able to port revelation |
| 08:21.01 | AStorm | gpg is there, right? |
| 08:21.14 | moontiger | any luck khertan? |
| 08:21.28 | Khertan | nope ... i ve scratched my scratchbox install :) |
| 08:21.40 | XTL | The usual ssl libs are also there |
| 08:21.56 | Khertan | but if someone make it available in extras-devel i would be happy :) |
| 08:22.05 | Khertan | http://oss.codepoet.no/revelation/ |
| 08:22.18 | XTL | and libcrypt |
| 08:22.52 | moontiger | is pycrypto just a recompile away? |
| 08:23.15 | Khertan | GTK+ 2.4, GNOME 2.6, Python 2.3, |
| 08:23.15 | Khertan | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:23.24 | Khertan | moontiger > it should be |
| 08:25.02 | yacoob | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/?root=cryptochest is there, although it looks a bit abandoned |
| 08:25.04 | moontiger | ok well i canhave a go at that ... i have a scratchbox running still |
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| 08:28.43 | moontiger | im off to bed ... im tired ... nn all ... thnx for the conversations :) |
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| 08:38.49 | florian | good morning |
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| 08:54.49 | GDE | hi |
| 08:55.35 | GDE | is there a way to transfer files from my PC to the 810 via LAN? |
| 08:55.45 | GDE | wifi |
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| 09:00.27 | XTL | Sure. Pick any one. |
| 09:01.02 | GDE | pardon? |
| 09:01.07 | XTL | Iow, whatever sw you have on both. sch/sftp/http/ftp/tftp/rcp/uucp/netcat+rzsz... |
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| 09:01.18 | XTL | It's just a network connection :9 |
| 09:01.26 | XTL | And most work in either push or pull |
| 09:01.59 | XTL | .. both ways around |
| 09:02.52 | GDE | thanks |
| 09:03.16 | GDE | is there a good ftp client for the maemo? |
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| 09:04.12 | XTL | Good and ftp don't go together :) |
| 09:05.14 | GDE | :( |
| 09:05.59 | GDE | which way would be the easiest to setup? :p |
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| 09:34.21 | usicow | subversion isnt available in the normal 'extras' repository, but I can see it at http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/s/subversion/. Is that something which isnt ready to be used or something? (Im new to maemo). |
| 09:35.09 | lcuk2 | usicow, i use svn from my tablet |
| 09:35.31 | aquatix | lcuk2: on a fat partition? |
| 09:35.43 | lcuk2 | chinook is the previous release of the os which might explain why you cant directly put it on |
| 09:36.19 | lcuk2 | aquatix, what does fat have to do with it? but no its mmc1 which is an ext2 partition |
| 09:36.21 | usicow | lcuk2: ahh, I see.. ok so how did you install svn? |
| 09:36.30 | lcuk2 | i have chinook :) |
| 09:36.37 | usicow | ah |
| 09:36.39 | usicow | :) |
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| 09:36.47 | usicow | it wont work on Diablo? |
| 09:36.49 | lcuk2 | apt-get install svn-specific-name-whatever-it-was |
| 09:36.52 | lcuk2 | it should |
| 09:36.56 | lcuk2 | add the repo and try :P |
| 09:37.06 | aquatix | lcuk2: well, i tried checking out a repository and i got some errors about locks iirc |
| 09:37.32 | usicow | ok, also is there a way I can just download the .deb file and install it without adding the repository? |
| 09:37.35 | aquatix | apt-get install subversion |
| 09:37.44 | lcuk2 | aquatix, it doesnt complain for me - works nicely and ive checked out a number of rojects and pushed changes back |
| 09:37.44 | aquatix | usicow: yes |
| 09:38.00 | lcuk2 | usicow, just download from within the folder you posted |
| 09:38.03 | lcuk2 | and try it |
| 09:38.05 | aquatix | usicow: just download the .deb and on the tablet do "dpkg -i subversion_blah.deb" |
| 09:38.16 | aquatix | [as root] |
| 09:38.21 | lcuk2 | or double tap from the filemanager ;) |
| 09:38.27 | aquatix | ah yeah :) |
| 09:38.28 | lcuk2 | and let the isntaller do its stuff |
| 09:38.34 | usicow | aquatix: great thanks |
| 09:38.42 | aquatix | usicow: and what lcuk2 says ;) |
| 09:39.10 | lcuk | hadnt noticed he wasnt logged in |
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| 09:49.43 | usicow | is there a nice program for maemo that shows CPU usage? |
| 09:51.41 | AStorm | loadapplet? |
| 09:51.55 | AStorm | also, there's top |
| 09:52.05 | AStorm | and probably someone could build htop |
| 09:52.07 | lcuk | usicow, yes, but its top secret and closed source and you cannot even have the binary for it or even see pictures of it |
| 09:52.13 | lcuk | (https://garage.maemo.org/projects/load-applet/) |
| 09:52.25 | yacoob | in fact, one of Nokia associates will be with lcuk shortly to terminate him. |
| 09:52.41 | lcuk | damn |
| 09:52.43 | AStorm | hell, they'll kill ITT and Google for it |
| 09:52.53 | lcuk | it was worth it in the end, information should be free |
| 09:53.08 | AStorm | Long Live Freedom! |
| 09:53.08 | yacoob | too bad load-applet doesn't show more stats in the drop down, though. |
| 09:53.15 | lcuk | hold on, someone at the door |
| 09:53.16 | AStorm | hmmh? |
| 09:53.34 | yacoob | hm, I can simply make a patch... :) |
| 09:54.22 | lcuk | yes you could, if you do decide to dive in, would you find out if it tirelessly updates itself even if the device is locked and screen turned off |
| 09:54.32 | lcuk | cos it would be really wasteful to show information to nothing |
| 09:54.56 | AStorm | heh, it needs some dbus support to disable itself |
| 09:55.00 | lcuk | i had a thought about it being a battery drain when i last had it installed |
| 09:55.13 | AStorm | no, it's not a major battery drain I found out |
| 09:55.39 | usicow | load-applet drains the battery? |
| 09:55.53 | AStorm | not by any noticeable amount |
| 09:55.56 | lcuk | but because its tirelessly ticking over and refreshing itself its doing quite a lot |
| 09:56.06 | AStorm | it's ticking rarely enough |
| 09:56.09 | lcuk | it was just a thought |
| 09:56.14 | AStorm | so it doesn't speed up CPU |
| 09:56.48 | AStorm | doesn't wake it often enough from C3 |
| 09:56.52 | lcuk | no but it pushes data to the lcd every second - does the lcd chip have to wake back up to accept the data even if the screen is off |
| 09:57.03 | AStorm | no, it doesn't apparently |
| 09:57.05 | lcuk | and what does it use for its sleep cycle |
| 09:57.10 | AStorm | at least not when dsme is active |
| 09:57.20 | AStorm | it uses sleep(1); |
| 09:57.39 | AStorm | that is, one second |
| 09:57.52 | lcuk | all i was asking was whether it does actually say "ok, the user has display turned off, maybe i should hold off on updating |
| 09:58.01 | AStorm | it doesn't |
| 09:58.01 | Khertan | someone have successfully use a usb mouse with an n8x0 ? |
| 09:58.07 | AStorm | but it doesn't take a lot of power either |
| 09:58.24 | AStorm | really, I should try to measure both stress and wait times |
| 09:58.30 | gomiam | Khertan: not me. I don't even know how the mouse pointer would show up. |
| 09:58.44 | AStorm | you just have to replace the invisible cursor ;P |
| 09:59.02 | lcuk | gomiam, the theme for maemo DOES have a mouse pointer, its just a transparant square - it can be replaced with a proper one |
| 09:59.05 | AStorm | Khertan: I was too lazy to do that |
| 09:59.08 | lcuk | infact, sometimes you see the x pointer |
| 09:59.25 | AStorm | Khertan: it requires a powered hub most likely too |
| 10:00.00 | Khertan | yep ... i'm just thinking to use my n8x0 with an external display an usb keyboard and a mouse |
| 10:00.00 | Khertan | :) |
| 10:00.00 | gomiam | AStorm: probably not. If a keyboard can work directly, a mouse energy consumption shouldn't be a worry, methinks. |
| 10:00.23 | lcuk | not all keyboards work, check the Ma rating on the device you wanna use |
| 10:00.35 | Khertan | gomiam: optical mouse use more power than a keyboard :) |
| 10:00.49 | lcuk | then get a ball mouse |
| 10:00.51 | Khertan | the Ma rating ? |
| 10:00.56 | lcuk | power |
| 10:00.59 | Khertan | i ll use a usb hub |
| 10:01.11 | lcuk | 100ma max current draw from usb OTG host |
| 10:01.12 | AStorm | powered hub, too |
| 10:01.25 | AStorm | lcuk: I suspect if you push it, the USB could provide 200 mA |
| 10:01.28 | Khertan | as it will be too use at home |
| 10:01.39 | lcuk | no astorm, it wont |
| 10:01.45 | lcuk | it has current limiters afiak |
| 10:01.45 | AStorm | it will, if you force it |
| 10:01.49 | AStorm | yes, it does |
| 10:01.55 | AStorm | can disable these |
| 10:02.07 | gomiam | anyway, I don't really mind. I already have a USB ultra-slim hub and its power source :-) |
| 10:02.13 | AStorm | goodie |
| 10:02.17 | lcuk | hmmm, its official spec and you cant go beyond it |
| 10:02.23 | Khertan | and about vga<->usb .... |
| 10:02.24 | AStorm | lcuk: yes, it's a hack |
| 10:02.31 | AStorm | Khertan: definitely more than 100 mA |
| 10:02.38 | AStorm | and you need a driver |
| 10:02.50 | Khertan | what is the state of the driver project ? |
| 10:03.00 | Khertan | you know the name of the project ? |
| 10:03.00 | lcuk | bbl |
| 10:03.13 | Khertan | i m looking for it on itt ... but it s painfull |
| 10:05.56 | AStorm | Khertan: the driver is there, but not built for maemo |
| 10:06.03 | AStorm | sis-something driver |
| 10:06.10 | AStorm | probably sisusb or something like it |
| 10:06.21 | AStorm | as it's the only vga<->usb I know of |
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| 10:06.55 | Khertan | noone have tryed to use it on a nit yet ? |
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| 10:08.21 | Khertan | xsisusb |
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| 10:14.10 | Khertan | hum ... to mirroring screen it use vncserver |
| 10:15.05 | Khertan | 89,69 the adaptator ... ouch |
| 10:15.09 | Khertan | Euros |
| 10:16.29 | Kegetys | you can get one for ~34e from dealextreme |
| 10:16.32 | Kegetys | 35 |
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| 10:27.11 | Khertan | hum i don't know it |
| 10:27.37 | AFBN810 | Khertan I didn't get that email |
| 10:28.24 | Khertan | AFBN810 ? |
| 10:29.04 | AFBN810 | The mcontacts one its andrewfblack |
| 10:29.20 | Khertan | Kegetys > i don't find it on dealextrem |
| 10:29.30 | Khertan | AFBN810: ah sorry don't recognize you |
| 10:29.40 | Khertan | AFBN810: i ve send it yesterday with modest |
| 10:29.45 | Kegetys | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.4838 |
| 10:29.54 | Kegetys | seems the price has gone up a bit since I ordered, but much cheaper anyway |
| 10:30.09 | AFBN810 | andrewfblack@gmail.com? |
| 10:30.46 | Khertan | yep |
| 10:31.10 | Khertan | i ll send it you again ... |
| 10:31.23 | Khertan | Kegetys: do u use it with a nit ? |
| 10:31.36 | AFBN810 | do you remember the email subject so I can search for it might be in spam |
| 10:31.47 | Kegetys | Khertan: it hasn't arrived yet |
| 10:32.02 | Khertan | as it s not the same as the tested one ... |
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| 10:32.52 | Kegetys | as far as I can tell it is the same one, same chipset etc. |
| 10:33.11 | Kegetys | I should get mine tomorrow hopefully so I can test it then |
| 10:33.54 | Khertan | if it s the same chipset it should be ok |
| 10:36.42 | lcuk | \o/ w000t i'm going on a european vacation - i get to see 3 different germany cities on this trip |
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| 10:37.10 | lcuk | wonders why there are no direct flights from manchester to berlin |
| 10:37.13 | lbt | does anyone use their N800 as a car stereo? |
| 10:37.30 | lcuk | lbt, wasnt there that car stats thing which would work |
| 10:38.10 | AFBN810 | khertan I didn't get it can you send it out again? |
| 10:38.11 | lcuk | oh crap, bbl |
| 10:38.44 | Khertan | AFBN810: yep i ll send it again ... |
| 10:39.05 | Khertan | ouch dealextrem have very poor ratings ... |
| 10:39.18 | AFBN810 | thanks |
| 10:42.18 | Khertan | hum ... someone know where is the x11vnc server package ? |
| 10:42.22 | Khertan | can t found it |
| 10:42.54 | Khertan | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/x11vnc/ |
| 10:43.31 | Khertan | hum ... if i ve wrote x11 instead of x12 in google ... |
| 10:43.54 | Kegetys | ratings? |
| 10:46.19 | Khertan | someone have hacked microsoft france ? : http://www.microsoft.com/france/windows/products/windowsvista/features/experiences/music/default.mspx |
| 10:46.48 | Khertan | kegetys: many review made by french customers are bad ... |
| 10:48.24 | Khertan | bye ... |
| 10:48.39 | Kegetys | well I havent had any problems and I have ordered alot of stuff from them |
| 10:48.43 | Kegetys | though I'm not french :P |
| 10:50.11 | eichi | is there a way to give the gps information from a external bluetooth device from the maemo device to a third device (like mobile phone)? |
| 10:54.47 | nomis | eichi: I guess it would be possible although I doubt that it is easy with the software on the tablet. Should not be too hard though for someone with bluez knowledge. |
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| 10:55.45 | crashanddie | lbt, yeah, I used my n810 for that |
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| 10:56.22 | crashanddie | lbt, I had it mounted on the windscreen, audio connector into aux in for the car stereo, works fine |
| 10:56.45 | lbt | crashanddie: just wondering if/how people had done it |
| 10:57.04 | lbt | maybe an external usb drive? |
| 10:57.17 | lbt | do you use canola? |
| 10:57.22 | crashanddie | yeah, I used canola |
| 10:57.42 | crashanddie | canola is much more finger friendly, and using the stylus whilst driving is a big no-no |
| 10:58.48 | lbt | not seen canola yet - just installing |
| 10:59.07 | ariya | thinks canola2 rocks |
| 10:59.18 | Kegetys | I prefer mediabox |
| 10:59.22 | crashanddie | I never used an external hard drive on my NIT, but I did have an external drive which was directly connected to the stereo |
| 11:00.29 | lbt | I'll see what the sound quality is like on a decent hifi... |
| 11:00.43 | lbt | I've not even listened to an mp3 on it yet ;) |
| 11:01.04 | lbt | really must actually *use* nut |
| 11:01.10 | glass | some car-radios do a2dp |
| 11:01.18 | lbt | <grin> |
| 11:01.54 | lbt | I need a decent amp that takes pcm over wifi... |
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| 11:02.32 | lbt | oops - gotta go ... bbl |
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| 11:04.34 | lardman | morning all |
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| 11:11.03 | usicow | when I open an xterm window, I'd like it to be full screen - as in no typing assistant or anything.. just a 100% full screen text terminal window. Is that possible? I cant seem to get rid of the typing assistant thing. |
| 11:14.11 | lbt | porting.... maemo is based on an upstream debian. Which one? I can't put the upstream deb into my scratchbox (obvioulsy) but I should be able to put the deb-src in... |
| 11:14.12 | XTL | You mean the esc-tab-... line? |
| 11:15.00 | XTL | usicow: menu/view/show toolbar/fullscreen off |
| 11:15.25 | usicow | XTL: nah, I worked out how to remove that one.. its one that Im seeing below that.. all it says on the right hand side is 'abc'. |
| 11:15.41 | XTL | Was it fn-space that should popdown that |
| 11:15.47 | Kegetys | you can remove that entirely by disabling the preidiction & dictionary things from control panel |
| 11:17.34 | usicow | XTL: doesnt seem to work.. but at least you know of something that is capable of removing it :) I'll hunt around more.. any idea what that bar is called by the way? |
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| 11:18.34 | XTL | usicow: Can't recall. It doesn't appear on mine. Did you have a look at Kegetys's setting? |
| 11:21.43 | usicow | is kegety a person? :) |
| 11:21.53 | Kegetys | huh? |
| 11:22.04 | lbt | maybe another way - what version of debian is diablo based on? If any? |
| 11:22.24 | usicow | ohhh sorry Kegetys I missed what you said. |
| 11:22.26 | usicow | hmm |
| 11:22.33 | usicow | thanks. I'll disbale it. |
| 11:23.24 | usicow | perfect :) |
| 11:23.27 | XTL | lbt: There's an answer to that buried somewhere in mailing list, itt or docs. I can't recall. |
| 11:23.37 | XTL | A somewhat older version, I think :) |
| 11:23.41 | lbt | I've been digging!!! |
| 11:23.55 | XTL | I don't see it immediately either. :) |
| 11:23.58 | lbt | I guess it is old - which is fine |
| 11:24.05 | lbt | did you catch my objective? |
| 11:24.06 | XTL | But you should be able to pull from any upstream you want and rebuild. |
| 11:24.16 | lbt | to add a deb-src to scratchbox |
| 11:24.19 | lbt | for portin |
| 11:24.20 | lbt | g |
| 11:24.22 | lbt | yes but |
| 11:24.29 | lbt | I want to port autofs |
| 11:24.32 | XTL | Yes. I've done that for random backports from testing to stable sometimes. |
| 11:24.40 | lbt | which depends on libraries |
| 11:24.49 | lbt | and I want to minimise version conflicts |
| 11:24.50 | XTL | There may be problems, of course, but it should essentially work. |
| 11:25.00 | lbt | I've done it for ddd |
| 11:25.07 | lbt | quite a chain - but simple |
| 11:25.13 | XTL | The libraries you build against should match the tablet. |
| 11:25.29 | lbt | but then I end up building more libraries |
| 11:25.30 | XTL | Either they come from the sdk (match) or you built them yourself (match) |
| 11:25.39 | lbt | and have build-dep version issues |
| 11:25.55 | lbt | when I'm 5 deep |
| 11:26.21 | XTL | If the sw you want demands too new libs and you don't want to port those, you'd need to adapt the package/sw to use older libs. |
| 11:26.36 | lbt | or just use the older version (which is probably fine) |
| 11:26.45 | lbt | which is where I came in... |
| 11:26.47 | lbt | :D |
| 11:26.51 | XTL | :) |
| 11:27.50 | lbt | I think my proposal is a safe way to build any debian package without needing to 'adapt' |
| 11:28.03 | lbt | (non-gui of course) |
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| 11:57.45 | Italodance | www.internettablettalk.com down? |
| 11:59.14 | lbt | no |
| 11:59.28 | Italodance | long loading... |
| 11:59.42 | lbt | no :) |
| 11:59.56 | lbt | face it, it's you. |
| 12:00.18 | Italodance | strange |
| 12:00.23 | lbt | are you? |
| 12:00.45 | Italodance | just can see a white page |
| 12:01.10 | lbt | I'm getting the usual site, and I'm logged in |
| 12:02.20 | lcuk | Italodance, step into the light |
| 12:02.42 | XTL | I'm getting orange boxes that slowly dissolve into the normal page |
| 12:03.08 | XTL | Though a while ago, wiki disappear and "it was just me". |
| 12:03.17 | lcuk | the orange default colours before the theme is applied are awful - it would make the site much more pleasant if they were default colours in the unstyled page |
| 12:04.04 | XTL | I think web forum users deserve all the unpleasantness you can throw at them. |
| 12:04.42 | lcuk | and they return the love to you in the form of IRC trolls spamming goatse wrapped in nokia informative link clothing |
| 12:04.54 | Italodance | who? |
| 12:04.58 | lcuk | xtl |
| 12:05.04 | Italodance | oh |
| 12:05.12 | Italodance | lol |
| 12:05.23 | lbt | XTL: I agree - web forums <shudder> |
| 12:05.34 | lcuk | theres nothing at all wrong with a forum, they work really well |
| 12:05.40 | lbt | uh huh |
| 12:05.51 | lbt | we've had this debate |
| 12:05.55 | lbt | you're wrong |
| 12:05.57 | lbt | <grin> |
| 12:06.09 | lcuk | though i prefer the moderated comment system slashdot has - it lets you see the signal whilst dropping the noise |
| 12:06.48 | lbt | does the n8x0 sound chip allow spdif out through the headphone? |
| 12:07.05 | lcuk | though they screwed that up recently by defaulting to first 25 comments - thats all people moderate on, the rest below are like a barran wasteland |
| 12:10.29 | XTL | I also find reddit's comment system pretty well-working |
| 12:10.49 | XTL | But what you usually come against is the typical phpBB |
| 12:11.51 | XTL | Mmm.. yabb.pl, was it |
| 12:12.23 | XTL | I'm sure there's a few more nightmares. But they all look the same and breed the same culture. |
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| 12:33.52 | herwood | hi, has someone had any problems when developing own statusbar plugins? |
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| 12:39.11 | herwood | i'm having these strange problems that when I install my own plugin, everything works fine, but if I keep on installing and uninstalling it then at some stage some of the other icons disappear. |
| 12:40.12 | herwood | I've also had a couple of time an "effect" where the whole screen turns white and every application is minimized and after a while, everything gets reloaded. |
| 12:40.39 | herwood | Has anyone had similar problems? |
| 12:41.32 | herwood | btw, the hello world app (which also creates icon to the statusbar) works perfectly |
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| 12:46.05 | Khertan | herwood: you get that because your plugin crash |
| 12:46.13 | Khertan | making maemo-launcher crashing |
| 12:46.23 | herwood | hmm |
| 12:46.28 | Khertan | so at the reboot it load a default config to avoir cycling crash |
| 12:46.29 | herwood | I was thinking that too |
| 12:47.05 | herwood | could I get some log-printing somehow so I could trace the problem? |
| 12:49.01 | Khertan | i use the old method of stdout in a file :) |
| 12:49.37 | herwood | aa, ok :) |
| 12:49.48 | herwood | I'll try that, thanks |
| 12:55.33 | brontide | beats up GTK and rifles through their pockets for change |
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| 12:59.31 | brontide | Khertan: PyDeb or PyPackager, which is easier for uploading to extras |
| 13:01.33 | jott | herwood: take a look at advanced-backlight, i added some debug code there to make the plugin run as standalone. see the #ifdef TEST_PLUGIN sections. |
| 13:02.18 | jott | it's easier to attach gdb this way and you don't have to worry about taking down the whole desktop :) |
| 13:03.14 | herwood | thanks jott |
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| 13:11.13 | Khertan | brontide: py2deb is easier to upload to diablo extras ... as you can't with pypackager :) |
| 13:11.30 | Khertan | as package should be built with autobuilder |
| 13:12.11 | brontide | thanks, do you have a crash course for py2deb ( help / wiki / random scribbles ) or is it intuative? |
| 13:12.28 | brontide | and I assume it's meant to be run on-tablet |
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| 13:13.17 | lbt | so apt-get update gives me: |
| 13:13.18 | lbt | W: GPG error: http://www.mirrorservice.org etch Release: Couldn't access keyring: 'No such file or directory' |
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| 13:13.32 | lbt | in scratchbox |
| 13:14.01 | lbt | I can't install debian-archive-keyring ('cos I only have their deb-src) |
| 13:14.18 | lbt | so any ideas on how to tell apt-get to JFDI |
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| 13:15.56 | crashanddie | anyone got any link to get ssh-agent to work in scratchbox ? |
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| 13:16.30 | XTL | Is there some specific problem with it? |
| 13:16.55 | crashanddie | well, ssh-agent is the app that's supposed to remember your SSH-key passphrase, so you don't have to type it everytime |
| 13:16.57 | crashanddie | right ? |
| 13:17.21 | XTL | You could say that |
| 13:17.23 | yacoob | I haven't yet looked for that, but perhaps someone can tell me from top of his/her head - can you use scratchbox on osx? |
| 13:17.36 | jott | lbt: you could just get the debs from debian, they should install fine. |
| 13:17.47 | XTL | yacoob: In an emulator, at least |
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| 13:17.57 | XTL | Natively, it might be tricky/fidgety |
| 13:18.26 | crashanddie | XTL, well, I have my SSH-key in ~/.ssh, but even when I explicitly launch ssh-agent, it keeps asking for my passphrase |
| 13:18.33 | jott | yacoob: in theory it could work but i think no one really tried :) |
| 13:18.41 | crashanddie | XTL, and well, my passphrase just isn't that short, and I'm getting tired of typing it everytime I compile something |
| 13:18.54 | yacoob | right :) |
| 13:18.55 | XTL | Hmm.. |
| 13:19.11 | XTL | I think ssh-agent is supposed to run a shell (or other command) and pass its env vars there |
| 13:19.22 | jott | yacoob: i think the easiest way is to get the vmware image if you are on x86 :) |
| 13:20.16 | XTL | If you just run it, it launches, prints out the env... |
| 13:20.35 | jott | crashanddie: you could also use a ControlMaster and keep a session open :) |
| 13:20.38 | XTL | and stays in the bg. You should run the commands it outputs |
| 13:20.44 | crashanddie | jott, eh ? |
| 13:20.51 | XTL | Or run "ssh-agent bash" or such |
| 13:21.24 | XTL | and then ssh-add and the agent will do the auth for that shell's children |
| 13:21.34 | crashanddie | bleh |
| 13:21.38 | jott | crashanddie: man ssh-config /ControlMaster :) |
| 13:21.39 | crashanddie | that's an ugly hack |
| 13:21.41 | XTL | You can see if ssh-agent is working by running ssh-add, I think. |
| 13:21.49 | crashanddie | yeah, ssh-add -l |
| 13:22.02 | XTL | crashanddie: And that works? |
| 13:22.12 | XTL | I mean no "can't connect to agent" |
| 13:22.16 | Veggen | Modern Linux-distributions will almost always have it running per default. |
| 13:22.20 | crashanddie | it works when I run ssh-agent bash, and run it from there |
| 13:22.26 | crashanddie | doesn't work from the plain scratchbox |
| 13:23.00 | lbt | jott: I can - but I wanted to make life easier - adding the etch deb-src to the scratchbox makes porting easy |
| 13:23.04 | XTL | How about if you run those export SSH_AUTH_SOCK etc lines in the scratchbox shell |
| 13:23.17 | XTL | (See that the /tmp/ socket is reachable etc) |
| 13:23.19 | Veggen | oh, scratchbox is different. but it's likely that you can try using the one from the mother-session, if you take care of getting some environment-values with you. |
| 13:23.27 | lbt | and allows dependency following that (proabably) won't break things |
| 13:23.33 | jott | lbt: yes, i have a sid deb-src :) |
| 13:23.57 | XTL | Like Veggen said, get the right env vars into the scratchbox shell |
| 13:23.58 | crashanddie | XTL, you're a genius :) |
| 13:24.07 | crashanddie | XTL, I just had to copy/paste the output |
| 13:24.22 | XTL | Close. I'm an ex sysadmin. |
| 13:24.24 | XTL | :) |
| 13:24.27 | lbt | any idea why mine won't apt-get update then? |
| 13:24.33 | Veggen | I am a current sysadmin. |
| 13:24.47 | crashanddie | such problem should be taken care of by scratchbox right from the start |
| 13:24.52 | Veggen | I use ssh-keys and ssh-agent *a lot* |
| 13:25.06 | Veggen | :) |
| 13:25.07 | lbt | FWIW : deb-src http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib |
| 13:25.07 | XTL | It's kind of "set up and forget", though. |
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| 13:26.40 | Veggen | XTL: well. having a couple of hundred Unix-boxes, and not same home-dir, my routine on sshing into a box the first time is, "oh? password? can't have that. *copy* relevant files into .ssh* |
| 13:27.37 | yacoob | Veggen, don't tell me that you do it by hand with >100 boxes... |
| 13:29.07 | crashanddie | well, if he got 1 box per week |
| 13:29.12 | crashanddie | I don't see the problem |
| 13:29.29 | crashanddie | gotta be buggered though if you notice your SSH key is a debian-pooped key |
| 13:29.52 | yacoob | crashanddie, key gets compromised, do the key dance again... :) |
| 13:29.53 | jott | well you could easily do something like cat .ssh/id_dsa.pub | ssh foo tee -a .ssh/authorized_keys2 |
| 13:29.56 | jott | := |
| 13:30.33 | lbt | or scp (!) |
| 13:30.50 | crashanddie | jott, or maybe easier: scp ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub user@box:/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 13:30.52 | jott | scp can append? :) |
| 13:31.02 | crashanddie | I thought it could |
| 13:31.09 | lbt | don't need to - you *want* to replace |
| 13:31.36 | jott | if you *want* that's a different story. |
| 13:31.37 | lbt | you just don't want to get it wrong :) |
| 13:31.55 | lbt | anyhow fix my apt problem |
| 13:31.58 | lbt | grrr |
| 13:32.08 | crashanddie | we're talking about SSH now |
| 13:32.10 | jott | but i have different private keys :) |
| 13:32.11 | yacoob | that's why you should just use cfengine or puppet... :) |
| 13:32.16 | crashanddie | apt discussion is planned around 4PM |
| 13:32.28 | lbt | Ok, for the backlog then.... |
| 13:32.37 | lbt | :) |
| 13:32.50 | yacoob | crashanddie, when is punch and pie? |
| 13:33.00 | lbt | I tried a sid deb-src and got the same problem (in case I had cache corruption or summit) |
| 13:33.09 | lbt | 4:15 if you fix my apt |
| 13:34.44 | jott | lbt: why not just install the keyring? ;) |
| 13:34.55 | lbt | I don't have gpg |
| 13:35.16 | lbt | I'd like to minimise the impact on the scratchbox |
| 13:35.58 | lbt | I suppose I could add etch 'deb' and dl the keyring to sb and then remove the deb line |
| 13:36.20 | crashanddie | I some cancer, be back in a bit |
| 13:36.21 | lbt | but then I'd have to dl their gpg too |
| 13:36.38 | lbt | so I've got a really mixed up sb environment at that point |
| 13:36.40 | lbt | ugh |
| 13:37.01 | lbt | this was supposed to be "how do I setup a clean porting ability on sb" |
| 13:37.19 | jott | just add the deb-src and there you go :P |
| 13:37.28 | lbt | A: add this file to the sources.list.d and tell it to ignore gpg sigs |
| 13:37.33 | jott | deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 13:37.34 | lbt | I *did* add the line |
| 13:37.36 | jott | works fine here |
| 13:37.39 | jott | no problems |
| 13:37.46 | lbt | and I get |
| 13:37.47 | lbt | W: GPG error: http://www.mirrorservice.org sid Release: Couldn't access keyring: 'No such file or directory' |
| 13:37.49 | lbt | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 13:38.15 | jott | lbt: so? |
| 13:38.49 | jott | lbt: you can't verify the packages. but it's not *that* important. |
| 13:39.05 | lbt | it didn't appear to properly update the local db |
| 13:39.46 | lbt | goddam it I'm an idiot - *NOW* it's working |
| 13:39.53 | lbt | sorry |
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| 13:50.25 | rmrfchik | in what package I can find cfdisk or fdisk? |
| 13:50.43 | rmrfchik | ...or other program for partition management |
| 13:51.45 | trenka | rmrfchik: sfdisk in busybox |
| 13:53.31 | Stskeeps | rmrfchik: i have a cfdisk.deb that's kinda hacked together as well |
| 13:53.56 | Stskeeps | rmrfchik: http://trac.tspre.org/svn/deblet/dependancies/maemo/cfdisk.deb |
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| 13:54.30 | arachnist | Qermit tez jesteÅ fajny *_* |
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| 13:56.48 | rmrfchik | thanks |
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| 14:28.43 | RST38h | BOO, all |
| 14:30.22 | Khertan | brontide > no doc yet, a command line tool ... but there will be a doc in a near future ... at least for the summit :) |
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| 14:47.25 | kaie | hi. i think some of the people here are working on the qt port of ff. i tried the binary, won't start up to me, symbol lookup error |
| 14:47.47 | kaie | let me know if you want the full error message |
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| 15:05.25 | lbt | RST38h: <eek> |
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| 15:57.47 | MakeGho | I can only find source distribution for maemo-latex :/ is there no binary one for n810? |
| 15:58.57 | krutt | MakeGho: how much did you pay for your 810? |
| 15:59.45 | MakeGho | around 380 â¬, how so? |
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| 16:15.50 | Mek | anybody know of any packages of (parts of) boost for maemo? |
| 16:16.17 | jott | Mek: i think i have them floating around somewhere |
| 16:18.01 | Mek | jott: ah, that would be nice... I can't get boost to install... |
| 16:18.44 | jott | Mek: what's the problem? |
| 16:19.23 | Mek | jott: 'bjam install' crashes (or causes qemu to crash) |
| 16:20.23 | jott | qemu is very fragile... |
| 16:20.30 | jott | try to use the cvs-m version. |
| 16:20.51 | jott | btw. qemu was the reason why cmake crashed. |
| 16:21.13 | Mek | ah, okay :) |
| 16:21.19 | jott | but in this case the other way around (0.8.2-sb2 seems to work but not cvs-m) |
| 16:21.26 | jott | it really stinks :/ |
| 16:21.38 | Mek | how do I install a different qemu/tell scratchbox to use that one? :) |
| 16:22.07 | jott | look at /scratchbox/user/$USER/targets |
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| 16:22.30 | jott | and /scratchbox/devkits/cputransp/bin |
| 16:22.47 | jott | cvs-m should come with the default installation. |
| 16:23.24 | Mek | ah, yes; so just changing the .config to refer to that one should make it use that? (after restarting scratchbox)? |
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| 16:23.55 | jott | you don't need to restart, it's parsed on each prompt :) |
| 16:24.09 | jott | or rather after it. |
| 16:24.16 | jott | before executing something |
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| 16:25.15 | jott | Mek: other than that http://outpo.st/boost/ |
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| 16:27.04 | Mek | ah, that is a lot easier than building them myself :) |
| 16:27.54 | jott | yeah in the end it should be build by the builder anyway :) |
| 16:28.09 | jott | but that's another adventure :) |
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| 16:31.13 | Khertan_n810 | hi ... again ... |
| 16:31.35 | Khertan_n810 | someone know where i can get the defoma lib for abiword \ |
| 16:31.36 | Khertan_n810 | ? |
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| 16:33.56 | andrewfblack | Hey Khertan |
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| 16:40.04 | andrewfblack | umm looks like apple is getting sued because the IPhone 3G is twice as fast as the Regular IPone like they prommised it would be lol |
| 16:40.47 | Khertan_n810 | twice as fast too lost network too |
| 16:40.48 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 16:41.43 | jott | i wonder if they get/got sued for "Half the price." too, as it's pure BS :) |
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| 16:41.58 | mutu_rock | oe sergio |
| 16:42.04 | andrewfblack | lol I'm sure that is next jott |
| 16:42.29 | sergio | eo |
| 16:42.31 | Khertan_n810 | can t code app in python |
| 16:42.36 | mutu_rock | como te va |
| 16:42.48 | Khertan_n810 | no interpreted language is accepted by apple on iphone |
| 16:43.11 | Khertan_n810 | no possibility to code onboard |
| 16:43.12 | Khertan_n810 | so really not interesting |
| 16:43.30 | jott | but it has working 3d drivers :P |
| 16:44.15 | mutu_rock | sergio donde estas |
| 16:44.22 | andrewfblack | yeah I had a friend who got a free itouch from going on work trip he came home same week I got my N810 and he was so excited until he saw my Nokia lol |
| 16:44.39 | Khertan_n810 | useless if we can t use it |
| 16:45.19 | Khertan_n810 | haha |
| 16:46.01 | andrewfblack | hey Khertan did you get that email sent back out |
| 16:48.00 | sergio | mutu_rock trabajando |
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| 16:51.39 | kaie | would you mind if I do some brainstorming? mobile phones still don't have nice cameras, they are still toys (no real flash, no nice optical zoom) |
| 16:52.12 | kaie | let's say I'm travelling with a digital camera, that doesn't use SD cards, and the n810, only |
| 16:52.28 | kaie | is there any way to transfer files from the camera (in my case XD) to the n810? |
| 16:52.35 | Veggen | yes. |
| 16:52.37 | andrewfblack | card read? |
| 16:52.55 | andrewfblack | I havn't tried my USB card reader on my tablet but I would think it would work |
| 16:52.57 | Veggen | The n810 can do USB host mode. You might need to provide power, but a powered hub can do that. |
| 16:53.25 | Khertan_n810 | andrewfblack: yep you should have already get it |
| 16:53.33 | Khertan_n810 | as i send it a 13pm |
| 16:53.56 | andrewfblack | ok its ok my personal email at home I'll check it when I get home. |
| 16:54.00 | kaie | oh really. I didn't know that. hmm. so I should go and hunt for a matching cable and it might immediately work? |
| 16:54.10 | Veggen | kaie: yes, it might. |
| 16:54.13 | andrewfblack | I havn't found a way to check gmail at work yet |
| 16:54.32 | Veggen | kaie: you need a small app to change to USB host mode on the n810 too. |
| 16:55.10 | andrewfblack | kaie : worse case you might need a powered USB hub I would think but card reader shouldn't pull anymore power then a USB Stick |
| 16:55.21 | Veggen | The n810 provides *some* power, but not too much. It *might* be enough for your camera. |
| 16:56.31 | Khertan_n810 | andrefblack: just in case i m uploding it in experiment downloads of my website |
| 16:57.35 | Khertan_n810 | s/uplodind/uploading |
| 16:57.49 | kaie | ok thanks. I'll go and see if I can find an usb-male to usb-male adapter |
| 16:58.25 | andrewfblack | khertan_n810 cool |
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| 16:58.47 | Khertan_n810 | mcontacts.tar.gz |
| 17:00.50 | andrewfblack | cool, btw I noticed my custom theme doesn't look that good on mcalendars I guess its becuase i use 20 for my large font and I guess thats what the buttons use in mcalendar |
| 17:01.42 | lbt | so I need getopt to run ucf to install autofs.... that comes from util-linux -- so how does that interact with busybox? |
| 17:01.55 | Khertan_n810 | 20px for text button ? |
| 17:02.23 | Khertan_n810 | i think many other gtk gui may be broken |
| 17:02.46 | andrewfblack | well on theme maker only choose two font sizes Small font and Large font |
| 17:02.58 | andrewfblack | I guess buttons use the large font one |
| 17:03.06 | Khertan_n810 | arf ... edit the gtkrc manually |
| 17:03.10 | Khertan_n810 | it ll be better |
| 17:03.52 | andrewfblack | yeah I am going to do that because I want to add custom icons and I think I have to do it by editing gtkrc someone said |
| 17:04.04 | crashanddie | \o/ |
| 17:04.08 | crashanddie | CloudReader is finished :D |
| 17:04.34 | qwerty12 | Cloudreader... Hmm, can I smoke that? |
| 17:04.47 | crashanddie | you're too young to smoke |
| 17:04.53 | lbt | so I need getopt to run ucf to install autofs.... that comes from util-linux -- so how does that interact with busybox? |
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| 17:05.06 | Khertan_n810 | 'ALARM_EVENT_CONNECTED |
| 17:05.14 | lcuk | crashanddie, so you have been a busy geezer, what does it do |
| 17:05.14 | Khertan_n810 | sorry wrong window |
| 17:05.25 | qwerty12 | crashanddie: Hey, you gave me GPS coordinates for France :P |
| 17:05.35 | crashanddie | qwerty12, so ? |
| 17:05.54 | qwerty12 | lbt: util-linux conflicts with busybox. Or rather the other way around |
| 17:06.01 | lcuk | hang on a minute, hes too young to take part in an illegal activity? |
| 17:06.02 | qwerty12 | crashanddie: sudden change of mind? ;) |
| 17:06.09 | lcuk | what age do you have to be to do something illegal? |
| 17:06.17 | lbt | is it safe to remove bb and install util-linux? |
| 17:06.37 | crashanddie | qwerty12, I gave you GPS coordinates, does that mean I condone your acts ? |
| 17:06.50 | lcuk | hell yeah |
| 17:06.55 | qwerty12 | lbt: sure. just install corelinux, bash2 etc |
| 17:07.03 | qwerty12 | crashanddie: just helping me with them right? |
| 17:07.31 | crashanddie | lcuk, only what it's supposed to, get the feed for the cloud, display the cloud, wait for user input to select the tag, retrieve the feed for a given tag, wait for user input to select a story, open browser to story, sit in the background until the browser is closed |
| 17:07.38 | qwerty12 | is just taking the piss anyway, jam :) |
| 17:07.46 | lcuk | nice :) |
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| 17:08.00 | crashanddie | lcuk, I optimised the kinetic scrolling, and I have dynamic memory allocation |
| 17:08.07 | lcuk | even nicer :) |
| 17:08.26 | crashanddie | lcuk, I just need to add one last "loading" screen when the browser is loading, and then find out how to get the screen resolution |
| 17:08.39 | crashanddie | and the app will work in landscape/portrait mode |
| 17:08.43 | lcuk | i gave you the sdl_ function call you need to do that |
| 17:08.52 | crashanddie | yeah, only for SDL 1.2.10 |
| 17:08.57 | crashanddie | and we have 1.2.8 |
| 17:09.09 | lcuk | hmm ok then |
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| 17:09.16 | lcuk | you can talk to x |
| 17:09.25 | crashanddie | Yeah, I probably will |
| 17:12.56 | lbt | qwerty12: removing busybox and getting the wrong apps to replace it sounds like a great way to prepare for a re-flash... I can't see 'corelinux' although I have installed bash2 |
| 17:13.34 | lbt | apt-cache showpkg busybox shows a lot of interdependencies |
| 17:13.39 | qwerty12 | lbt: oops, I meant coreutils. There is probably more you need to get like procps etc. It's in the SDK repo |
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| 17:16.21 | Khertan_n810 | back again |
| 17:16.49 | Khertan_n810 | is there someone that understand how alarmd work ? |
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| 17:17.11 | lbt | hmm - so I see conflicing info on this... some suggests that I can install coreutils and it'll replace any busybox links |
| 17:17.25 | lbt | but I get "Note, selecting busybox for regex âcoreutilsâ" |
| 17:17.51 | lbt | sigh - I just want "getopt" |
| 17:17.51 | Khertan_n810 | if i set flag CONNECTED does it wake up device only when connected or also when there is a new connection after the time up ? |
| 17:18.14 | lbt | I hate having to dick around for hours to run a shell script |
| 17:18.32 | Khertan_n810 | parse args manually |
| 17:18.40 | Anunakin | lbt, rebuild coreutil package for not remove busybox |
| 17:19.16 | Khertan_n810 | or do script with python :) |
| 17:19.32 | lbt | Anunakin: there was chat on -dev about just getting rid of bb |
| 17:19.48 | Anunakin | I made some .debs... for bash, grep, ... |
| 17:19.49 | lbt | if someone is doing that then I'll pass |
| 17:19.52 | Khertan_n810 | no alarmd expert here ? |
| 17:20.21 | Anunakin | lbt: but it -dev can break you maemo |
| 17:20.39 | lbt | yes - I wanted to avoid that... |
| 17:20.56 | lbt | (I meant the -dev mail list BTW...) |
| 17:21.15 | lbt | Eero Tamminen <eero.tamminen@nokia.com> writes: Let's get rid of busybox already. |
| 17:21.20 | lbt | good man :) |
| 17:21.31 | gregorovius_ | is the maemo-announce mailing list worth subscribing? it seems to be completely dead |
| 17:21.48 | yacoob | speaking of which. |
| 17:22.23 | yacoob | question to those of you that have some developer connections: how would you rate Nokia's attitude to the community? And their plans, responsivness, ideas...? |
| 17:22.31 | lbt | ah, too hard to publish - I'll just hack it for me |
| 17:23.04 | Khertan_n810 | yacoob: i will say nokia has a great attitude |
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| 17:23.27 | Khertan_n810 | as they sell me an n810 for 99Euros |
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| 17:24.17 | zuh | Khertan_n810: That's bribing, not great attitude ;) |
| 17:24.22 | lcuk | yacoob, nokia is a community grandparent, they are getting us together for a party next month :D |
| 17:24.27 | Khertan_n810 | and extras repository maintainer really help me to dev a tool to upload package from a nit |
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| 17:24.40 | gregorovius_ | well... if they do that, they're expecting you to pay the difference in development time |
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| 17:24.55 | Mek | they gave me one for free :P |
| 17:24.57 | Khertan_n810 | yep an paid travel and accomodation for the summit |
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| 17:25.00 | lcuk | gregorovius_, which you would do anyway |
| 17:25.22 | lcuk | mek, yer we've been waiting for you freeloaders to arrive :P |
| 17:25.28 | yacoob | on site, you'll be fed nokia-love-inducing drugs... |
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| 17:26.17 | Khertan_n810 | they sold me it without condition |
| 17:26.39 | Khertan_n810 | palm as never listen to third party developper |
| 17:27.00 | Khertan_n810 | and never answer to my help request with the api |
| 17:27.07 | RST38h | lcukkk |
| 17:27.14 | lcuk | thats cos palm world was $$$ |
| 17:27.26 | lcuk | rst387.9999999h |
| 17:27.44 | Khertan_n810 | and the worst thing is that their api sucks |
| 17:27.49 | lcuk | cant type ever when he needs to |
| 17:27.52 | Khertan_n810 | as change isn t documented |
| 17:28.06 | andrewfblack | Ehy qwerty12 this weekend I need to get with you on how to do those changes to my theme deb |
| 17:28.06 | lcuk | Khertan, it is if you are in the club |
| 17:28.13 | RST38h | Programming for PalmOS is like ass-fucking a pidgeon |
| 17:28.16 | andrewfblack | opps he gone lol |
| 17:28.17 | ariya | anyone here knows someone who does something with the qt hildon IM ? |
| 17:28.22 | RST38h | [and I mean it literally] |
| 17:28.23 | gregorovius | RST38h: disgusting! |
| 17:28.39 | RST38h | Disgusting does not even begin to describe it |
| 17:28.42 | lcuk | ariya, yes, GNUton and jott are doing qt type stuff |
| 17:28.45 | lcuk | and others as well |
| 17:28.51 | Khertan_n810 | lcuk: which one my software kmeteo hit the top 20 used softwares for palm os |
| 17:29.40 | lcuk | and they never let you in the club? shameful |
| 17:30.30 | Khertan_n810 | example of a bad things : setting the prefs 'HomeButton' on tx set it really to the home button, on treo650 it set the phone button, and on a Treo680 the other phone button to end call |
| 17:30.38 | yacoob | just wonder where does RST gathered the experience to compare it to... :D |
| 17:30.40 | gregorovius | any recommendations for a personal wiki sorta thing? |
| 17:30.44 | Khertan_n810 | tx is identified as lifedrive ... |
| 17:30.59 | Khertan_n810 | lifedrive as a e2 |
| 17:31.07 | yacoob | but yah, I've read briefly PalmOS programming guide, looked like ressurected c64 manual in few places |
| 17:31.10 | lbt | gregorovius: Zim is excellent |
| 17:31.12 | Khertan_n810 | and treo650 itg s depends on rom version |
| 17:31.17 | yacoob | gregorovius, tiddlywiki! |
| 17:31.25 | lbt | not a web wiki -desktop wiki |
| 17:31.27 | yacoob | it does... everything! |
| 17:31.45 | Khertan_n810 | yacoob: worse than a c64 manual |
| 17:31.49 | gregorovius | is zim ported to NITs? |
| 17:32.05 | yacoob | zim seems to be dead. |
| 17:32.15 | Khertan_n810 | other example ... there is a lib to know if a lib exist ... |
| 17:32.24 | yacoob | ah, no, that's just me looking for wrong thing. |
| 17:32.30 | Khertan_n810 | but on some models it answer true instead of false |
| 17:33.14 | Khertan_n810 | so you need to make many switch case in your code to test model, and rom revision |
| 17:33.46 | gregorovius | yacoob: does tiddlywiki work ok on the tablets? |
| 17:33.56 | Khertan_n810 | other thing ... you can t do more than 4 socket or u will break socket stack |
| 17:34.11 | Khertan_n810 | and there is many things like that |
| 17:34.24 | yacoob | gregorovius, don't know, tbh. It's all html+js, so I don't think microb will have any problems with that... |
| 17:35.03 | gregorovius | i was thinking maybe it'll be too much of a strain, but i'll try it out |
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| 17:38.54 | ariya | GNUton: ping |
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| 17:48.33 | Khertan_n810 | raaaaahhhh ! alarmd will make me crazy |
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| 17:49.41 | Edulix | hi |
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| 17:50.03 | Mek | Edulix: hi |
| 17:50.04 | Edulix | is there any easy way to transform an ilbc sound file to wav or mp3? |
| 17:50.20 | Edulix | using command line in linux if possible =) |
| 17:50.41 | Edulix | I recorded the ilbc file with maemo recorder |
| 17:50.47 | Edulix | *files |
| 17:51.13 | brontide | Khertan: I'll give py2deb a whirl and see if I can get Dialcentral ( Grandcentral Dialer ) into extras already |
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| 17:52.53 | Khertan_n810 | brontide: is it in python ? |
| 17:52.58 | brontide | Yep |
| 17:53.03 | Khertan_n810 | oh |
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| 17:54.09 | Khertan_n810 | oh do u cancel an alarm when u don t have his id ? |
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| 17:55.24 | brontide | Hmmm... I've tackled a lot of python/gtk/maemo quirks, but alarmd is not something I've tackled. I'll be working on alarmd next when I finish up the google docs sync |
| 17:56.20 | Khertan_n810 | ... |
| 17:56.51 | Khertan_n810 | i have created an alarm for a test that launch mcalendar each minute |
| 17:57.05 | Khertan_n810 | can t cancel it as i vn t his id |
| 17:57.29 | Khertan_n810 | don t found anything in the python binding to list alarm |
| 17:57.42 | brontide | Hmm... that's stupid |
| 17:57.48 | Khertan_n810 | yep |
| 17:57.58 | brontide | there needs to be a way to enumerate alarms |
| 17:59.00 | brontide | can you get it from the xml file that alarmd uses? |
| 17:59.54 | brontide | here /var/lib/alarmd/alarm_queue.xml |
| 18:01.19 | lcuk | which distro is prefered for scratchbox? |
| 18:02.45 | XTL | Debian might be the most natural one |
| 18:02.58 | XTL | I think the instructions for installing devkits are for D |
| 18:03.49 | Khertan_n810 | hum passing the right say me False |
| 18:03.51 | Khertan_n810 | pfff |
| 18:04.06 | RST38h | lcuk: ubuntu |
| 18:04.18 | RST38h | lcuk: you may have problems with others |
| 18:04.38 | lcuk | ubuntu is debian based isnt it |
| 18:04.38 | brontide | So no luck with the cookie from the xml file? |
| 18:04.46 | lcuk | thanks xtl/ RST38h |
| 18:05.36 | Khertan_n810 | no ... i ve edited file |
| 18:05.36 | Khertan_n810 | work better |
| 18:06.26 | lcuk | RST38h, is it straight forward to install if im careful |
| 18:06.56 | RST38h | it is safe as long as you follow the instructions exactly |
| 18:06.59 | lcuk | needs a machine once again for the summit and it might as well have proper features |
| 18:07.00 | brontide | getting threads/gobject.idle_add was my big advance today, dialcentral is now lots more responsive |
| 18:07.02 | ariya | Icuk: scratchbox on OpenSUSE is also dead easy |
| 18:07.15 | RST38h | I do suggest installing sb2 instead though |
| 18:07.35 | lcuk | simpler? or just another thing to learn |
| 18:07.54 | RST38h | gentler |
| 18:08.00 | lcuk | i was tempted the other day to dd the vmware image directly onto my laptop |
| 18:08.02 | RST38h | you will not have completely insulated environment |
| 18:08.32 | RST38h | In sb1, you log into the "system" and use it this way. To get to your own file system you have to configure networking and use nfs locally |
| 18:08.38 | RST38h | In sb2, you do not log in |
| 18:08.52 | RST38h | Just use "sb2 gcc" instead of "gcc" and you are all set |
| 18:08.58 | lcuk | i dont ever think bout logging in with vmware - its just a console box like i have now |
| 18:09.12 | lcuk | but i run make - do the makefiles need altering to do similar? |
| 18:09.20 | RST38h | yes, but you will have to log in from that console box into sb1 |
| 18:09.33 | RST38h | In sb1, you will run make inside the scratchbox |
| 18:09.46 | lcuk | yes - the desktop icon does all that for me - once ive clicked it im ready to go with no logins |
| 18:09.51 | RST38h | In sb2, you can use whatever make you have in your Linux, just change CC setting |
| 18:09.53 | Mek | in sb1 you can just mount --bind to get your local file system inside scratchbox.. |
| 18:10.19 | lcuk | would prefer to compile and build on a native arm system |
| 18:10.37 | lcuk | would a beagleboard allow this incidentally? |
| 18:10.46 | lcuk | use it as a desktop and build maemo apps? |
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| 18:11.23 | lcuk | ill get ubuntu on the machine first anyway and see which sb fits |
| 18:11.28 | brontide | lcuk: I'm kinda hoping that the maemo firmware under qemu thing pans out |
| 18:11.33 | RST38h | http://exiledonline.com/dolan-who-wants-ice-man/ |
| 18:11.53 | GeneralAntilles | Speaking of that, where'd hrw disappear to? |
| 18:12.07 | lcuk | brontide, i would hope to never have to use an emulator |
| 18:12.09 | RST38h | check his blog? |
| 18:12.15 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, probably very busy |
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| 18:12.45 | RST38h | http://blog.haerwu.biz/ |
| 18:13.19 | crashanddie | isn't hrw on holiday ? |
| 18:13.19 | lcuk | good job i didnt get his blog mixed up with "human rights watch" links :D |
| 18:13.36 | RST38h | He is working at OpenedHand |
| 18:13.42 | lcuk | crashanddie, like i said, very busy |
| 18:13.43 | crashanddie | so ? |
| 18:13.55 | RST38h | Which means he should be VERY busy right around now ;) |
| 18:14.00 | lcuk | holiday is the most important time of the year (assuming he is having one) |
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| 18:14.55 | Khertan_n810 | grr... |
| 18:15.03 | Khertan_n810 | this is stupid to not have iterator to get alarm ... how cancel it if the databased is scratched by user ? |
| 18:15.08 | brontide | I'm on the deck looking out over the water enjoying candy and hard cider..... after spending all morning at the beach... list is hard |
| 18:15.21 | crashanddie | nha |
| 18:15.35 | RST38h | lcuk: afai, no |
| 18:15.36 | crashanddie | at OpenedHand, they just spend time moving desktops around at this time |
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| 18:16.55 | GeneralAntilles | kaie, with the right software (gphoto2) you can hook your camera in directly |
| 18:17.08 | GeneralAntilles | and OTG has plenty of power for that (which it wont have for a card reader). |
| 18:18.21 | crashanddie | QWERTY !!! |
| 18:19.08 | crashanddie | No one would know how I can find out if the tablet is running in landscape or portrait mode ? |
| 18:19.27 | lcuk | yes, see xomap or whatever it is |
| 18:19.36 | lcuk | xrandr maybe |
| 18:19.45 | lcuk | i cant remember which but theres a library for it |
| 18:19.54 | crashanddie | yeah, but that means they need to have xrandr installed :) |
| 18:20.12 | lcuk | and if its not installed then you know its not rotated :) |
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| 18:20.40 | lcuk | for now just check for 800*480 or 480*800? |
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| 18:21.07 | RST38h | check root window dimensions |
| 18:21.26 | RST38h | in fact, I would expect *any* pair of numbers, not just these two |
| 18:21.44 | RST38h | this is the right thing to do, in case you run app on a different device |
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| 18:25.16 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, xrandr is bundled. |
| 18:25.48 | crashanddie | nha, I managed without it |
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| 18:34.46 | a-l-e | hello. i'd like to install php on the n810 and i see 3 packages... which is the difference? is php5-fastcgi-pear a metapackage with all i need? |
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| 18:42.52 | TrueJournals | Hello! |
| 18:43.26 | TrueJournals | ... or not :-P |
| 18:43.53 | TrueJournals | I'm trying to modify rdesktop to get it to work on my n800... but I'm having trouble with power button presses |
| 18:44.11 | TrueJournals | I can't figure out a reliable way to detect if the power button is pressed... any ideas? |
| 18:44.46 | crashanddie | done |
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| 18:44.53 | crashanddie | lcuk, want to see the latest version ? |
| 18:45.16 | lcuk | gfi |
| 18:45.31 | crashanddie | hang on, I'll just tar the needed things so that everyone can try it |
| 18:45.38 | crashanddie | works in both landscape and portrait mode :) |
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| 18:46.54 | lcuk | crash, with randr, or you rotating your assets? |
| 18:47.06 | crashanddie | with xrandr |
| 18:47.11 | lcuk | crosses legs at that thought actually |
| 18:47.13 | crashanddie | I don't change a thing |
| 18:47.47 | lcuk | yer, we should push for native support in default nokia kernel - jott has proven its stable and lots of things benefit |
| 18:48.47 | crashanddie | http://undercity.doesntexist.com/~crashanddie/cloudreader.tar |
| 18:49.43 | crashanddie | anyway, time for star trek voyager, ttyl |
| 18:50.47 | penguinbait | Window Maker anyone? http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=216174#post216174 |
| 18:52.10 | lcuk | penguinbait, great stuff, give a gallery as well: http://www.windowmaker.info/gallery.php |
| 18:52.31 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, there's already a bug |
| 18:52.34 | GeneralAntilles | For kernel and xserver |
| 18:52.45 | GeneralAntilles | xrandr is already shipped |
| 18:53.11 | GeneralAntilles | So get Nokia to ship the kernel and xserver patched then "rotation support" is just "install Advanced Backlight" |
| 18:53.43 | GeneralAntilles | Woo, Voyager. |
| 18:53.44 | lcuk | penguinbait, how much modding did you need to slot this into maemo? |
| 18:53.54 | GeneralAntilles | There a throwback to my youth. |
| 18:53.58 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, it needs a new kernel though |
| 18:54.07 | penguinbait | none, it just runs nicely |
| 18:54.15 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, erm, "ne" |
| 18:54.19 | GeneralAntilles | s/ne/new/ |
| 18:54.19 | lcuk | its a "simple" window manager isnt it |
| 18:54.46 | GeneralAntilles | [2:53pm] <GeneralAntilles> So get Nokia to ship the __kernel__ and xserver patched then "rotation support" is just "install Advanced Backlight" |
| 18:55.03 | penguinbait | 25MB and fits right in flash |
| 18:55.21 | penguinbait | its really only about 6-8mb but I added lots of other stuff |
| 18:55.28 | GeneralAntilles | I don't understand the "let's use a desktop WM on a 4.1" screen with a stylus" thought process. |
| 18:55.54 | lcuk | penguinbait, ive just grabbed the base source, im looking for something to sit ontop of liqbase to use the speed boost.. |
| 18:56.04 | penguinbait | well #1 WM was designed when 800x600 was the majority :) |
| 18:56.27 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, well, that's 800x600 at ~72dpi |
| 18:56.31 | GeneralAntilles | Not 225dpi |
| 18:56.31 | penguinbait | It works real nice, but not for old people who can't see small fonts :) |
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| 18:57.58 | MangoFusion | GeneralAntilles: what's hard to understand? it's a desktop... in your pocket. OMFG!! |
| 18:58.16 | penguinbait | hell its almost worth 25MB just to have real fdisk :) |
| 18:58.41 | Stskeeps | cfdisk isn't bad either |
| 18:58.54 | penguinbait | its got pico too |
| 18:58.55 | penguinbait | hehe |
| 18:59.24 | penguinbait | rcp/rsh/telnet/ftp |
| 18:59.37 | penguinbait | lest also not forget how usefull xeyes is :) |
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| 19:00.19 | RST38h | does pico still crash on search? |
| 19:00.35 | penguinbait | not sure, I will test |
| 19:01.14 | Stskeeps | penguinbait: have you looked at my bootmenu.d stuff btw? (since you do clone to sd stuff and other stuff) |
| 19:01.24 | penguinbait | nope search works fine |
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| 19:01.58 | remex_ | >/w 8 |
| 19:02.26 | penguinbait | Stskeeps, I really only remove Fanoush's checks and balances and place in a deb |
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| 19:02.53 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 19:03.14 | Stskeeps | my idea was mostly the part about adding bootmenu items through a /etc/bootmenu.d system, so its easy to install new items |
| 19:04.29 | penguinbait | I made a bootmenu installer deb, it just installs bootmenu. It will scan all partitions and write out new bootmenu, ext2 and 3 are supported |
| 19:04.48 | penguinbait | It might only scan two per SD card, I dont recall at this point in time |
| 19:04.50 | GeneralAntilles | MangoFusion, I almost exclusively use my thumbs. |
| 19:04.59 | GeneralAntilles | Hitting those tiny little widgets is not possible. |
| 19:05.30 | MangoFusion | not my problem. get smaller thumbs ;) |
| 19:05.40 | Stskeeps | penguinbait: yeah, - my goal was more to have the systems tell how they want to be booted and how to represent in boot menu |
| 19:05.44 | MangoFusion | though seriously |
| 19:05.48 | MangoFusion | i don't get it either |
| 19:05.49 | RST38h | GAN: Use nails |
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| 19:06.09 | MangoFusion | thumbs on an n800 or n810? |
| 19:06.14 | RST38h | penguinbait: cool! Now, if you just pack pico... =) |
| 19:07.12 | penguinbait | use vi, or its 25MB :) |
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| 19:08.29 | GeneralAntilles | scratches up RST38h's N810 with two rusty nails. |
| 19:08.54 | penguinbait | ouch! |
| 19:09.32 | penguinbait | slaps GeneralAntilles around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:09.46 | RST38h | urgh |
| 19:09.53 | GeneralAntilles | Hey, save the trouts for slapping around the Nokians! |
| 19:09.56 | RST38h | penguin: not fair! =) |
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| 19:12.19 | penguinbait | RST it might work by itself |
| 19:12.28 | penguinbait | try penguinbait.com/pico.gz |
| 19:13.26 | lbt | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.33 | Stskeeps | oh, lbt's idea |
| 19:13.34 | Stskeeps | my bad |
| 19:13.37 | lbt | ;) |
| 19:13.46 | lbt | lurks |
| 19:14.06 | lbt | reads the backlog sometimes |
| 19:14.13 | RST38h | penguin: thanks! |
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| 19:14.40 | penguinbait | I think it will work, there are no other files that go with it |
| 19:14.46 | penguinbait | let me know? |
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| 19:20.34 | RST38h | it should work - will test a bit later |
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| 19:22.14 | andrewfblack | I was just thinking I have seen dozens of posts about missing stylist how come no one has ever made some I'm sure people would buy them |
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| 19:23.35 | GeneralAntilles | Made some that'd actually fit in the tablet's stylus slot? |
| 19:23.55 | GeneralAntilles | You'd have to produce at LEAST a thousand to have any sort of reasonable price. |
| 19:24.22 | andrewfblack | I could make them my self to fit for less then a quarter a peice |
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| 19:26.44 | kkrusty | lol |
| 19:26.54 | kkrusty | who came up with i-am-free? |
| 19:26.59 | kkrusty | brilliant |
| 19:30.00 | RST38h | Information technology workers at the US Department of Homeland Security are busy scraping egg off their collective faces after unknown hackers broke into their telephone system and wracked up $12,000 in calls to the Middle East and Asia. |
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| 19:44.47 | andrewfblack | just did some quick math and I can make a Stylus for 9 cents |
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| 19:46.56 | RST38h | in how big batch? |
| 19:47.30 | andrewfblack | 100 |
| 19:50.14 | andrewfblack | thats not to big of a batch I wouldn't think |
| 19:50.34 | andrewfblack | since if I decided to make them I would make min order like 5 |
| 19:50.35 | RST38h | hm |
| 19:53.00 | andrewfblack | well figuring in cost of material to make the molds it would cost me 39 cents for first batch and then 9 cents for each next batch since molds are reusable |
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| 19:57.13 | RST38h | oh you are doing it by yourself |
| 19:57.52 | andrewfblack | yeah |
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| 20:13.02 | moontiger | would they be the same as the existing stylus's (stylii?) ? |
| 20:13.50 | andrewfblack | about 99% I most likly will not have the Nokia imprint on them just to watch out for myself |
| 20:14.12 | andrewfblack | and be smooth instead of the slight texture it has now |
| 20:14.25 | moontiger | color? |
| 20:15.03 | andrewfblack | could be just about any including clear if thats what people wanted |
| 20:15.26 | moontiger | awesome ... put me down for some :) |
| 20:16.37 | andrewfblack | lol I got to order the stuff to make the molds first and I can only make 2 molds at a time since I only have 2 stylus right now I guess once I make the first 2 then I would have 4 to make molds from |
| 20:16.58 | kkrusty | the n810 stylus isnt as good as the one with n800 but Im sure this must be an old topic now |
| 20:17.26 | andrewfblack | whats not the same about them never owned a n800 |
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| 20:18.21 | kkrusty | well they arent the same. The n800 is thicker |
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| 20:19.02 | andrewfblack | well if people wanted some n800 ones I would just need someone to send me there stylus for 24 hours and I could send it back to them |
| 20:19.41 | moontiger | well if you get round to it and need some upfront $$ (oooooooo $10) just let me know ;) |
| 20:20.35 | andrewfblack | I only need $33 to make my first 100 so money isn't the problem, I'll order the stuff next week I might have my first batch done 2 weeks from now |
| 20:22.14 | moontiger | you rock! :) |
| 20:22.46 | andrewfblack | I'll post something on itT once I get the stuff to make the molds in |
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| 20:32.02 | andrewfblack | I have to finish work on my Vac Table so I can make the Nokia Tablet Custom Grip with built in Game Controls |
| 20:32.41 | andrewfblack | I finally decided how to hook the tablet to the Grip |
| 20:34.52 | Luria | duct tape |
| 20:34.55 | Luria | ? |
| 20:35.45 | lcuk | i use highly advanced elastic bands |
| 20:36.19 | Luria | duct tape - it surrounds us, penetrates us, and binds the galaxy together. |
| 20:36.57 | Luria | except for the stuff that's soldered together. thats the dark side, which is a bit more fun. |
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| 20:39.14 | andrewfblack | going to use a stylus hold on the n810 to mount it actually |
| 20:39.34 | Luria | evicting the stylus? |
| 20:39.50 | Luria | hmmm.... cool, i have 13 weeks 6 days of audio in my collection now. need another hdd or two |
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| 20:41.37 | lbt | woo hoo - automount works :) |
| 20:42.02 | Luria | automount on maemo |
| 20:42.08 | lbt | yes |
| 20:42.12 | lbt | autofs |
| 20:42.15 | lbt | with nfs |
| 20:42.15 | Luria | shouldnt it work anyway? |
| 20:42.41 | lbt | didn't appear to be in the modules |
| 20:43.02 | Luria | huh, i wish eeexubuntu knew what it's doing... it always mounts sd as cdfs |
| 20:43.16 | lbt | this is /net/host/files_on_host |
| 20:43.25 | lbt | automagically via nfs/cifs |
| 20:43.35 | lbt | so the mount occurs on access |
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| 20:43.53 | lbt | not hotplug |
| 20:43.58 | Luria | no, i get what you are doing. mostly talking to myself, reminding me to fix my issues. good work, btw. |
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| 21:06.21 | Sargun | uhm |
| 21:06.25 | Sargun | Maemo is GTK based, right? |
| 21:06.39 | lcuk | yes |
| 21:06.42 | Mek | for now, yeah... |
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| 21:27.08 | dougt__ | is nohup available on device? |
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| 21:33.47 | GAN800 | Mek, not gonna change anytime soon. |
| 21:34.25 | melmoth | moi ca m est jamais arrivé un inconnu qui m offre une boulette |
| 21:34.27 | melmoth | oups |
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| 21:42.45 | crashanddie | melmoth, stoi la boulette |
| 21:43.10 | crashanddie | CloudReader: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nCFir0_5Jws |
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| 21:56.57 | lbt | any canola people here - does it work on nfs folders? |
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| 22:02.28 | moontiger | i use mediabox :) |
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| 22:08.38 | crashanddie | what are the "accepted" Section values for .debs again ? |
| 22:14.39 | moontiger | does anybody know how to get a gripper handle on the bottom left of a home screen window? |
| 22:14.58 | moontiger | bottom right i mean |
| 22:15.00 | moontiger | :| |
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| 22:19.51 | GNUton | night |
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| 22:26.38 | moontiger | crashanddie, user free non-free afaik |
| 22:26.52 | GeneralAntilles | moontiger, no. |
| 22:26.55 | GeneralAntilles | That's in the repo |
| 22:26.59 | moontiger | oh |
| 22:27.02 | moontiger | my bad sorry |
| 22:27.06 | GeneralAntilles | He's talking Section: User/Utilities Section |
| 22:27.26 | moontiger | shuts up |
| 22:27.33 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, https://wiki.maemo.org/Package_Categories |
| 22:27.40 | GeneralAntilles | and Extras is just free and non-free. :P |
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| 22:28.27 | moontiger | GeneralAntilles, how do i get the gpg key for uploading to extras again? :) |
| 22:29.02 | GeneralAntilles | ~uploading-extras |
| 22:29.09 | GeneralAntilles | ~extras-uploading |
| 22:29.18 | GeneralAntilles | ~upload-extras |
| 22:29.18 | infobot | upload-extras is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras |
| 22:29.28 | moontiger | hehe nice! :) |
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| 22:34.44 | shapr | @yow ! |
| 22:40.59 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, there is no internet category ? That sucks |
| 22:41.45 | shapr | hugs GeneralAntilles |
| 22:42.31 | GeneralAntilles | 's Tyrant hugs shapr. |
| 22:42.44 | shapr | yipes! |
| 22:43.28 | jaska | oh its you |
| 22:43.32 | shapr | yes it is! |
| 22:43.41 | shapr | heippa hei! |
| 22:43.44 | jaska | moo |
| 22:43.55 | shapr | hyvää huomenta! |
| 22:44.05 | jaska | bit early for that |
| 22:44.11 | shapr | well, yeah... |
| 22:44.23 | shapr | hyvää ihltaa? |
| 22:44.31 | shapr | anyway.... |
| 22:44.46 | jaska | iltaa :) |
| 22:44.57 | shapr | bah, I never could spell Finnish :-( |
| 22:45.13 | shapr | I'm better with Swedish. |
| 22:45.16 | jaska | heh, i remember you lived around here for a while |
| 22:45.24 | shapr | joo |
| 22:45.36 | shapr | Are you in Oulu? |
| 22:45.47 | shapr | Or was that a country-wide 'around here' ? |
| 22:46.01 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, an app that downloads/displays an RSS feed about general news, where should that go ? Communication ? accessories ? tools ? other ? |
| 22:46.10 | jaska | naah, alahärmä (east of vaasa), but i you used to be in a chan where i was iirc |
| 22:46.20 | jaska | prolly with myrddraal or someone |
| 22:46.26 | shapr | or #debian-fi ? |
| 22:46.35 | shapr | I haven't seen myrddraal in a long time. |
| 22:46.51 | jaska | ditto |
| 22:47.00 | crashanddie | in doubt, I'll put it in other |
| 22:48.08 | GeneralAntilles | accessories, maybe, but I don't actually know |
| 22:48.15 | GeneralAntilles | That PDF might have more info |
| 22:48.21 | GeneralAntilles | I haven't paid much attention. |
| 22:48.25 | crashanddie | nha, it doesn't say a lot |
| 22:48.39 | crashanddie | just gives an example for an office app, but your guess is as good as mine |
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| 22:49.08 | GeneralAntilles | Get with X-Fade when he gets back from vacation |
| 22:49.11 | GeneralAntilles | He needs some help. ;) |
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| 23:09.28 | crashanddie | is the autobuilder log in real time ? |
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| 23:10.07 | crashanddie | As in, I just uploaded my package, how long before I see it? :P |
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| 23:13.10 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, ~5 minutes |
| 23:13.41 | crashanddie | hmm, ok |
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| 23:25.32 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, I'm sure that the fact it's me is why the build takes 20+ minutes :D |
| 23:25.57 | crashanddie | if (username == "crashanddie") sleep(3600); |
| 23:26.24 | crashanddie | /that's for bitching about the votes |
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| 23:46.42 | pupnik | opengl es 2.0 bling on Omap 3530 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UFUbqoNgs8 |
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| 23:52.36 | Dekaritae | So, a friend of mine had his notebook taken at customs coming back from the states |
| 23:57.35 | moontiger | Dekaritae, serious? which customs? |
| 23:57.57 | Dekaritae | Well he flew back from florida to ontario |
| 23:58.14 | moontiger | us customs took it? |
| 23:58.40 | aspect | coming *from* the states? I thought that was supposed to happen the other way around? |
| 23:58.44 | Dekaritae | The agent put it on the inspection conveyor, and he went through the metal detector, and when they were done processing him it was gone, and no one knew anything about it |
| 23:59.09 | moontiger | oh so it wasnt customs as such then? |
| 23:59.13 | Dekaritae | Sucks less 'cause it was a work laptop, but still |
