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00:25.20darkblue_Bso.. flashing a N800 from linux.. I am looking at DIABLO 4.2008.23-14
00:25.30darkblue_Bgood?  stick with stable?
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00:26.24darkblue_B(I listed with dpkg --list just now for what is there already.. 2007 stable I think.. June?
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00:32.16GAN80023-14 is old.
00:32.26GAN800Upgrade to 30-2
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00:50.39AFBN810hey
01:03.16darkblue_B30-2 ??? where do I fnd that?  GAN800
01:03.58GAN800Open Application manager, go to the 'Check for updates' section and tap the little rotating arrow in the bottom right of the toolbar.
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01:10.46GeneralAntilleswonders why the information in the topic title is relevant. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=215573#post215573
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01:35.25moontigerGA: cos its a brilliant thread *laughs*
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03:31.07lionel_Has anyone else had problems flashing an N800 with the RX-34_DIABLO_4.20
03:31.08lionel_08.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin image?
03:33.17lionel_I posted to this channel earlier today and got no response.  Looking back in the IRC log, it looks like at least one other person (handle = hub) ran into the same problem.
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03:35.22lionel__Their solution, and the one that worked for me, was to ditch the RX-34_DIABLO image and instead go with RX-34_2008SE.2.2007 ...
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04:07.48darkblue_Bhuh.. I just flashed with the RX 34 2008SE image
04:08.06darkblue_Bseems to be going well.. from 64bit linux
04:08.35GeneralAntillesupgrade process consists of two commands: apt-get remove mplayer apt-get install mplayer
04:08.38GeneralAntillesfacepalm
04:08.49GeneralAntillesYou gotta wonder about some people.
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04:10.20ShadowJKwonders if that works better for people mixing/changing random repos back and forth
04:11.54darkblue_Bthe backup it found appareantly has some of my settings.. I had forgotten about.. so far so good
04:12.05darkblue_Bnow to compare dpkg list
04:12.16darkblue_BI had python and apache going
04:12.32GeneralAntillesI don't get why people are obsessed with filling their catalogs with tons and tons of craptastic repositories.
04:13.34darkblue_Bdecentralized repos.. its inevitable, dont you think?
04:15.23GeneralAntillesOnly decentralized because of assholes insisting on opening a new one for each and every damn package.
04:15.35GeneralAntillesThere's one repo you need, and that's Extras.
04:17.32darkblue_Bok.. so ssh.. how does this go..
04:18.38darkblue_BopenSSH is in te installable apps list
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04:20.31GeneralAntillesOf course it is, it's in Extras.
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04:30.09darkblue_Bhmm my old dpkg list shows gnu readline
04:30.22darkblue_BI wonder what the package name is for that
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04:34.06darkblue_Band it says cant stat package xxx from http://xarchive.garage.maemo.org chinook/user packages
04:34.15darkblue_Bthis is diablo
04:34.30darkblue_Bperhaps I need to expunge some list of repos
04:36.07timelessgan: how do people reply to bugmail?
04:38.06darkblue_Bso where do I get apache, python and gnu readline?
04:38.24timelessyuck :)
04:38.34timelesspython should come from extras ...
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04:38.41timelessand i'd hope readline would too
04:38.53timeless(if they don't come from tools/sdk)
04:39.39darkblue_Btimeless: why yuck?
04:40.11timelesswhy do you want to run a full web server on a poor mobile device?
04:40.47darkblue_Bwell I suppose I dont have to
04:41.00darkblue_BI am writing a system in python right now for work
04:41.22timelessssh+screen
04:41.27darkblue_Bpython has its own, well several, ways of responding to http
04:41.34darkblue_BI dont care for apache..
04:42.40darkblue_Bas I recall, someone told me to install canola and I will get python
04:43.26darkblue_Byep. .canola2
04:43.47timelessyeah it will...
04:44.00darkblue_BI'm confused abou tthis chinook vs diablo bit
04:44.12darkblue_Blooks like plenty of things are coming from sonething called chinook
04:44.35darkblue_BI sure apprecaite that backup..
04:44.42darkblue_Bit found it and it worked
04:46.23timelesschinook is the old version
04:46.36timelessideally the versioning is such that stuff in diablo is newer
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04:46.57timelessand therefore you should get stuff from diablo if someone bothers to make a package for it
04:47.58darkblue_B??
04:48.08darkblue_Bso I neeed to add the dablo repo?
04:48.11darkblue_BI dont see it
04:48.18darkblue_Bonly the General's Extras
04:49.07timelessif you're running diablo
04:49.14timelessthen you should have/add diablo repos
04:49.19darkblue_Byes...
04:49.34darkblue_Bso I just went to edit the catalog details fro maemo Extras
04:49.46darkblue_Bit says "Distribution: chinook"
04:49.51darkblue_Bthat may be leftover
04:49.57darkblue_Bmaybe i should change that
04:50.29timelesswhat version of the os are you running?
04:51.19darkblue_BI just flashed with RX 34 2008SE
04:52.41darkblue_Band I installed canola2.. saw a bunch of chinook things come in
04:53.14darkblue_Bit had found a backup file and used it..
04:53.21timeless2008se?
04:53.28darkblue_Byes
04:53.37timelessse usually means sales edition...
04:53.58darkblue_Bwell thats what I found on line
04:54.29darkblue_Bohhh I have the RX 34 DIABLO sitting here
04:54.36darkblue_Bnot on the right machine
04:54.41darkblue_Bhmmm
04:54.48darkblue_Bperhaps I should do this again
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05:04.54darkblue_Bcoolness.. the backup file worked again
05:05.05darkblue_B*now* I am in Diablo
05:06.17darkblue_B*now* it wants to download a bunch of apps auto magically
05:06.30darkblue_BI havent touched the repos.. but its convenient to just say yes
05:08.58darkblue_BI suppose it will do the right thing (?)
05:08.58darkblue_Bwell I said cancel
05:09.18darkblue_Band went through the repos list and changed everything that said chinook to diablo
05:09.55darkblue_Bit wants to put th eOS update in
05:10.04darkblue_B4.2008.30-2
05:10.08darkblue_Bok to that
05:11.45tank-manyes
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05:18.38timelesssighs
05:18.53timelesscould we please *ban* *@plenware.com  from bugs.maemo.org?
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05:48.16hachianyone know if the mail app can be told to not run in the background?
05:48.30hachiI like it... but I really wish I could disable it from running at times
05:50.22timelesstechnically...
05:50.37timelessnot sure if it'll really work if you do it :)
05:50.59timelesshachi: can you "define" times?
05:51.08timelesslike, should it not run if you're "offline"?
05:51.10hachiwhen I so choose
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05:51.25hachias in, when I pick the option that says "stop running this bloody process in the background"
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05:53.13timelessignores hachi
05:53.48darkblue_Bnow I have root login
05:53.51hachigee, thanks
05:54.01hachiask me to define something, and then treat me like dirt
05:54.16darkblue_Bbut when I login as user, I dont know my passwd
05:54.27darkblue_Bis there a default user passwd or something?
05:54.31timelessthere isn't really a password for user
05:54.40timelessit's just not supposed to accept remote logins
05:54.52darkblue_Breally?  the previous one did
05:55.00timelessafaik there isn't...
05:55.02darkblue_Bok.. I guess I dont care
05:55.12hachianyone else have a clue about the mail application?
05:55.21darkblue_Btimeless: thx
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06:01.15timelesshttp://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/base-passwd-3.5.11.osso4/debian/patches/01user.dpatch#11
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06:01.16timelessfwiw
06:01.26timelesshttp://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/base-passwd-3.5.11.osso4/debian/patches/01user.dpatch?mark=20#11
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06:03.36moontigerhachi: yah ... i think it sucks
06:03.37moontiger:)
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06:05.06hachiis that what I said that was wrong?
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06:13.20moontigerhachi: no i dont think so ... not sure if you said anything wrong ... i *think* most people use claws
06:13.30timelessnote that claws can't be backed up
06:13.52timelessand along w/ pidgin, it's a fairly good way to make the backup app break
06:14.00aquatixtar cf claws.tar ~/.claws-mail
06:14.23aquatixor something :)
06:14.24timelessoh sure... and leave the rest of the device unable to back up
06:14.30aquatix?
06:14.44aquatixput the tar in a card or in your documents or something
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06:14.56aquatixif you leave if in the home, backup will break?
06:15.07timelessit's not the tarbal
06:15.14timelessit's the conf files for claws and purple
06:15.20timelessthey're written to break backup :)
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06:15.23aquatixerm, worked here
06:15.41timelessaquatix: and note that the claws one at least is broken in 3.5
06:15.42aquatixbackup didn't barf or whatever, and restored fine
06:15.45timelessthey promised a fix in "next"
06:15.49timelessum... i doubt it
06:15.53aquatixand i use claws 3.5
06:15.59timelesssince i talked to their devs
06:16.07timelessthe backup won't restore everything
06:16.11aquatixi reflashed my tablet with diablo when the last update broke
06:16.20aquatixand it restored as good as everything to me
06:16.34aquatix[i didn't restore everything, not the multimedia stuff etc]
06:16.45aquatixno glitches
06:16.55aquatixbut maybe full restore fails then
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06:17.49moontigertimeless: i dont use my n810 as my main email store anyways so i dont mind if it gets toasted in the event of a backup
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06:17.59hachithe last version of claws I used couldn't handle multiple accounts concurrently in the interface
06:18.08hachihave they changed that recently?
06:18.22timelessmoontiger: suit yourself
06:18.25moontigerhachi: i *wish* they would make modest usable as i dont really like claws
06:18.34moontigerbut claws works
06:18.36moontigermostly
06:18.39timelessthe bigger problem is purple, which basically breaks backup entirely
06:18.47timeless(backup is the buggy app in that case)
06:18.48moontigerwhereas modest .... ummmmm .... sucks
06:19.00timelesscan you guys be more detailed than "sucks"?
06:19.22hachi'you guys' ?
06:19.40timelesswhichever of you is going to say that it sucks
06:19.44moontigertimeless: no user configurable fonts ... viewing different accounts is *ridiculous* ... changing to different account is as dumb
06:19.45hachiI like it
06:19.59moontigerand... the notification thing gets *really* annoying
06:20.13moontigerand ... the fact that i cant tell it to stop damn checking my email
06:20.23moontigerchecks her notes...
06:20.25hachiI just want to make it so that when I configure it, it doesn't run all the time
06:20.35moontigerthats it for now i think
06:20.42moontigerafter those i get bored and uninstall it again
06:20.55hachiI'm basically cornered into configuring it, and then letting it run 24/7, or disable/delete the accounts
06:21.28moontigerhachi: thats my point ... they did so much good work on it and yet it is ruined by these small points
06:21.31moontigeri dont get it
06:22.00moontiger*shakes head*
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06:24.31konttorimoontiger: perhaps you could contact pvanhoof about the issues.
06:24.38timelesswow, i have 3 bugs numbered 1698 in my mailbox
06:24.43timelessthat's kinda odd
06:24.53timeless(mozilla, maemo, claws)
06:24.58konttorihe's usually in freenode from around 9 CET
06:25.42konttori(the guy behind tinymail and also the main developer of modest - well used to be the main developer for modest, he's working mostly on tracker at the moment)
06:26.04aquatixtimeless: *g*
06:26.05konttoribases that solely on his commit history to tracker :)
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06:28.30GeneralAntillestimeless, hitting "reply all" on the bugmail notices or something. I get a lot of "Re: [Bug #blah]..." messages from people.
06:28.45timelesshrm
06:28.52moontigerkonttori ... i did before and got nowhere so i just stopped using it until either it gets fixed or i get enough time to try to fix it myself ... i respect whoever worked on it ... i just disagree with the design decisions they made
06:29.15GeneralAntillesmoontiger, so, uh, what you're saying is that you think MORE people use a hard-to-find 3rd-party client than the built-in client that ships on EVERY DEVICE?
06:29.18GeneralAntillesRight then. . . .
06:29.47moontigerGA... no ... i was referring to people here mostly ... and i did say "i think"
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06:30.05GeneralAntillestimeless, +1 on banning @plenware.com. . . .
06:30.08konttoriYeah, the font issue is a big one on the platform. Did you at any point consider just using a theme with the font and font size you like more?
06:30.30moontigerkonttori ... i do but modest completely ignoes it
06:30.37GeneralAntilleskonttori, that wont changed Modest's fonts in the message window.
06:30.47konttoriReally? You must be kidding!
06:30.54konttoriI must check that out.
06:31.06konttorisounds really truly horrific.
06:31.06GeneralAntillesI'd be OK if reducing font size with the zoom keys would stick
06:31.16GeneralAntillesBut you have to change everytime you open a new message
06:31.26GeneralAntillesI actually really like Modest, myself.
06:31.28konttorihow about when you click on the next / previous button?
06:31.31moontigerkonttori: as it stands right now i think it is horrific (to borrow your expression)
06:31.40konttorialso likes modest
06:31.49GeneralAntillesBut it does have a few quirks that seem to stem from taking the whole "keep it as small as possible" way too far.
06:31.52moontigerwould love to like modest and keeps trying
06:32.02GeneralAntilleskonttori, retained with next/previous.
06:32.10konttoribut then again, I use it to read my personal email, which means that I open it once or twice a day and mostly click on the next button
06:32.12GeneralAntillesBut I don't always read my mail consecutively.
06:32.26konttoriGA: that explains why I haven't noticed the issue myself
06:32.40konttoriOr have been bothered by it.
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06:34.26GeneralAntillesThe multiple accounts behavior is really baffling
06:34.41GeneralAntillesand actually seems to have gotten worse than I remember from previously.
06:34.44timelessheh
06:35.08GeneralAntillesHaving to switch from 2 levels down in the menu is just craziness
06:35.46timelessconsiders finding mailboxes to test w/ modest
06:35.51timelessconsiders finding food
06:35.58timelessdecides to send a gmail instead
06:37.16XTLTo the orbit?
06:37.27GeneralAntillesModest will die on big IMAP accounts, too.
06:39.05timelesshrm, btw..
06:39.05timelesswhat would you guys say to having the maemo.org logo on mxr.maemo.org float:right instead of being left or center?
06:39.05timelessbtw, what's the name of the modest process that runs in the background?
06:39.05timelessis it /usr/bin/modest ?
06:39.05timelesscoughs
06:39.09timelessi think my smallest imap account is ~10,000 messages
06:39.11timelessand that's one i don't use
06:39.46timelessmy inbox has 190,047 unread conversations :)
06:40.21hachimine top out around 10k, and I just archive the junk yearly
06:40.22timelessi thought they were supposed to have limits to deal w/ big inboxes
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06:40.40timelessi actually archived mail from my personal gmail box yesterday for the first time ever
06:41.12GeneralAntilles<PROTECTED>
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06:41.21konttorimodest works pretty well on 10k messages still
06:41.35konttorihaven't tested on bigger ones though
06:41.43timelessfrom memory, i think modest is basically instantiated by some dbuss client
06:41.48konttoriinitial db build though takes a bit of time
06:41.50timelessif you either whack the dbus client or the dbus contract
06:41.58timelessyou could probably get the daemon to go away
06:42.03timelesspossibly w/o seriously harming the ui
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06:42.33XTLMy inbox is squeaky clean, usually.
06:42.34timelessin the previous architecture, there was a task navigator client which was partially responsible for the polling of mail
06:42.45timelessso it's conceivable that it's what's responsible for polling modest
06:42.53timelessin which case, you could try whacking it first :)
06:43.30aquatixinbox is clean, but 196466 messages in the rest of my imap account :)
06:43.57aquatixmodest generally has some troubles with it
06:44.06timelesschuckles
06:44.10timelessyour mailbox is small :)
06:44.12XTLNever tried to do message counts.
06:44.26XTLMight be interesting :)
06:44.31aquatixXTL: claws-mail gives a total in the system tray on my machine
06:44.35aquatix[desktop]
06:45.07aquatixwell, in the mouse-over of the system tray icon actually, but you get the point
06:45.17GeneralAntillesm-vo's idea to make Modest and MicroB uninstallable could quiet some people.
06:45.31timelessum, you can't uninstall them?
06:45.33timelessthey're just packages
06:45.44GeneralAntillesNot without removing osso-software-version
06:45.47timelessuninstall the meta package, and then uninstall two or so core packages for microb
06:45.53GeneralAntillesand never getting SSU updates again.
06:45.59timelessyeah well, osso-software-version will have to be uninstalled
06:46.03timelessactually, wait
06:46.19aquatixGeneralAntilles: well, i kinda like modest
06:46.19timelessanyone here actually understand how debian alternatives works?
06:46.26aquatixbut it's sluggy [at least to start] here
06:46.34aquatixtimeless: somewhat
06:46.50GeneralAntilleshttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3602
06:46.51timelessbecause i could trivially write a package that changed the depends for osso-software-version
06:46.59timelessbut the question is how to deal w/ upgrades
06:47.21aquatixor create a dummy package that provides `modest'
06:47.29XTLthat's what I'd have said
06:47.54timelesshrm,
06:47.58timelessyeah, well...
06:48.06timelessproviding modest isn't such a problem
06:48.07GeneralAntillesMicroB and Modest would be upgraded just like any other application package.
06:48.09timelessproviding microb is
06:48.54aquatixGeneralAntilles: yeah, i like that idea
06:49.34timelessthere are a bunch of things that use microb's functionality
06:49.38timelesse.g. the tutorial
06:49.44timelessand hopefully there will be more in the future
06:49.58timelessif you "provide" microb (* really microb-engine+tablet-browser-daemon)
06:49.58GeneralAntillesI'm not really overly concerned about MicroB and Modest, but it'd definitely be nice to be able to cleanly and easily remove the commercial installers, bundled documentation, and bundled media for good without having to delete it again with every SSU push.
06:50.18timelessand someone properly depends on them, then when they install, they're a broken app
06:50.37atulHi all, I am creating one database in using my application and writing some values on to it but while writing in to it giving me error messsage like "Can't execute: attempt to write a readonly database"
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06:50.51XTLWrap dillo :)
06:50.59aquatix:)
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06:51.03timelessxtl: have fun
06:51.14timelessthe api you need to implement is quasi public
06:51.17aquatixtimeless: why would you want to get of microb though?
06:51.23timelessbut the daemon stuff isn't open source
06:51.34timelessaquatix: get _rid_ of ?
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06:51.46aquatixer, yeah
06:51.50aquatixis still waking up
06:51.52GeneralAntillesaquatix, presumably to save space if you really don't need a browser, or to switch to an alternative once they actually become usable.
06:51.58aquatixbrain-to-irc adapter isn't optimal yet
06:52.08aquatixGeneralAntilles: fair enouhg
06:52.11aquatix*enough
06:52.15timelessgan: "it won't work"
06:52.27GeneralAntillesaquatix, I can't imagine being in either of those situations myself, though. ;)
06:52.27timelessaquatix: in theory for the reasons gan suggests
06:52.31XTLatul: You're not giving much information
06:52.31timelessin practice, i'd never do it
06:52.36timelessand anyone who tries will regret it
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06:52.42timelessit's like fighting the awesomebar
06:52.51timelesseventually you'll stop fighting and learn to love it
06:52.51GeneralAntillesHa
06:52.53XTLBest guess would be that the error message is right :)
06:52.57moontigerfought the awesome bar to start with
06:53.00aquatixtimeless: i didn't even fight it
06:53.02atulXTL, am using Sqlite as back-edn data base
06:53.02timelessthere's a great /. comment for that
06:53.17moontigeratul: what are you trying to do?
06:53.17GeneralAntilles"They can't handle awesome of THAT magnitude!"
06:53.34aquatixi was a bit baffled the first few times i used it, but it adapted to me
06:53.39aquatixwhich is good :)
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06:53.49GeneralAntillesEverything Firefox pretty much pisses me off these days.
06:53.58moontigerGA: how so?
06:54.04GeneralAntillesI don't use Windows machines anymore
06:54.04aquatixi think fx3 works quite fine
06:54.10aquatixdefault browser for me
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06:54.14aquatixGeneralAntilles: so?
06:54.20moontigeri use FF3 on all my machines
06:54.23GeneralAntillesand there are plenty of faster, better integrated, less irritating browsers available for OS X.
06:54.27aquatixi use it as default linux browser
06:54.31aquatixah, osx
06:54.40timelessshrugs
06:54.46timelessi can't use any good browsers on osx
06:54.48aquatixGeneralAntilles: which do you use btw?
06:54.49GeneralAntillesFirefox is just SLOW on all of my PPC machines for some reason.
06:54.52timelessso i don't want to hear about any of them :)
06:55.07aquatixtimeless: get a mac dammit ;)
06:55.09timelessthey all suck (for dropping support for 10.3) :)
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06:55.12timelessaquatix: i have one!
06:55.14timelessthat's the problem
06:55.21GeneralAntillesaquatix, 2x2.5GHz G5 with Leopard
06:55.37timelessi have panther 1.6ghz g5
06:55.38aquatixGeneralAntilles: and you're using Safari?
06:55.46aquatixhas none
06:56.00GeneralAntillesstarts fundraising for the "Let's Launch Copies of Leopard Out of a Cannon at timeless" campaign.
06:56.06GeneralAntillesaquatix, OmniWeb.
06:56.14GeneralAntillesI could also use Safari
06:56.22aquatixooh, an omniweb user
06:56.24timelessgan: omniweb from 5.x+ was webkit
06:56.25GeneralAntillesOr, hell, Camino if I had to pick something Gecko-based.
06:56.37GeneralAntillesI really like OmniWeb's tab system.
06:56.38timelesspreferred omniweb when they had their own engine
06:56.59timelessregretted not buying it
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06:57.29GeneralAntillesI was glad for OmniWeb 4 back in the IE 5.5 days.
06:57.38GeneralAntillesCame back to it about a year ago.
07:00.58GeneralAntillesdoesn't feel like having to use XP to update the HAVA box.
07:01.21aquatixbut, it's revolutionary!
07:01.34timelesscries
07:01.40GeneralAntillesWish they'd just provide a web interface or something.
07:01.44timelessi really should have made a bookmark to that slashdot comment
07:01.47timelessit's impossible to find
07:01.47GeneralAntillesIt's fun watching TV on the tablet, though.
07:01.49aquatix[sorry, was the first word i noticed googling that acronym]
07:02.02GeneralAntilleshttp://myhava.com
07:02.20aquatixGeneralAntilles: yeah, that's where the quote came from
07:02.24GeneralAntillestimeless, things you want to find usually are. :P
07:02.31GeneralAntillesaquatix, ah.
07:03.00aquatixGeneralAntilles: it's like slingbox
07:03.12GeneralAntillesBut with tablet support!
07:03.29aquatixbutbutbut, slingbox runs linux!
07:04.09aquatixGeneralAntilles: do you need a client on your tablet?
07:04.15aquatixor does it produce a stream?
07:04.21GeneralAntillesaquatix, client
07:04.28GeneralAntillesAlthough you can get to it with VLC
07:04.33GeneralAntillesRTSP stream
07:04.45GeneralAntillesSo presumably you could latch onto that somehow.
07:04.58GeneralAntillesBut that doesn't give you control of the IR blaster.
07:05.16aquatixhm, nice
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07:05.29timelessgives up
07:07.04timelesshey, how does suggests work"?
07:07.14timelessif you have Foo 1.1 installed
07:07.17timelessand Bar 1.1 installed
07:07.37timelessand you have MetaBaz 1.1 installed and it suggests Foo 1.1, Bar 1.1, Py 1.1
07:07.49timelessand you see MetaBaz 1.2 available
07:07.57timelessand it suggests 1.2 of Foo, Bar and Py
07:08.07timelesswhat happens if you try to install MetaBaz?
07:08.42moontigertimeless: is that your website?
07:08.48timeless?
07:08.59GeneralAntillestimeless, Application manager doesn't do anything about suggests.
07:09.04moontigerwebwizardry etc etc
07:10.04timelessi don't run my own servers :) webwizardr.net and viper.haque.net and timeless.justdave.net are all loaned to me by friends :)
07:10.20timelessand typos are mine :)
07:10.33aquatixtime to catch a train
07:10.35moontigerbut you do all the coding etc yes?
07:10.35aquatixlaters
07:10.58timelessum, webwizardry.net does a lot of unrelated stuff
07:11.03GeneralAntillesBye, aquatix
07:11.06timelesshistorically a bunch of us used it to build mozillas
07:11.13timelessatm i mostly use it as an ssh portal for irc
07:11.23timelessviper is where i host my blog and a mailbox i never read :)
07:11.50timelesstimeless.justdave.net basically hosts mxr.maemo.org which is essentially a hosted application
07:11.50aquatixlaters all
07:11.51moontigercool :)
07:11.56timelessvery little stuff actually is developed there
07:12.12timelessmostly it's developed on mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org and swift(@work)
07:14.33moontigerthats neat
07:14.39GeneralAntillesThis seems a little small and pointless to justify its own article http://wiki.maemo.org/Mount_a_USB_CDROM_drive
07:14.43moontigerso you do dev work for a living too?
07:14.45GeneralAntilleswonders where he should put it.
07:15.02XTLSome general usb host mode page?
07:15.52GeneralAntillesThat'd be https://wiki.maemo.org/USB_host_mode
07:16.47XTLMakes sense to me. Perhaps a section..
07:16.48GeneralAntilleshttp://wiki.maemo.org/Everything_about_CDMA-like_Providers_%28Verizon%2C_Sprint%29_and_DUN
07:16.52XTLIs there a page about keyboards?
07:16.59GeneralAntillesThat seems largely pointless.
07:17.13GeneralAntillesDoesn't the operator setup wizard handle all that?
07:17.27GeneralAntillesXTL, not yet, want to make one? :D
07:17.29XTLJust bt, it seems.
07:18.09XTLI thought there's another common item that could go on a usb page. Then again, the bt keyb stuff is on its own page.
07:18.12GeneralAntillesTips on avoiding having your operator detect ToS violations seems like a bad topic for the maemo.rog wiki to cover.
07:18.26timelessheh
07:18.29XTL:)
07:18.42GeneralAntillesdeletes.
07:18.56GeneralAntilleshttp://wiki.maemo.org/Enabling_DUN_on_Windows_Mobile_5_and_6
07:19.03XTL"How to avoid billing issues" sounded more exciting than it was
07:19.05GeneralAntillesNot entirely a Maemo topic
07:19.15timelessgan: http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Whatlinkshere/Everything_about_CDMA-like_Providers_(Verizon%2C_Sprint)_and_DUN
07:19.18GeneralAntillesProbably better served by a google search
07:19.31GeneralAntillesOr just installing PAN-support. . . .
07:19.32timelesshttp://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Everything_about_CDMA-like_Providers_(Verizon%2C_Sprint)_and_DUN&action=edit
07:19.41timelessYou do not have permission to do that, for the following reason:
07:19.41timelessYour user name or IP address has been blocked.
07:19.42timelessThe block was made by dneary. The reason given is Anonymous contributions over HTTP restricted..
07:19.59XTLtimeless: how about https?
07:20.01timelessis it possible to fix the error to say
07:20.08timeless"you are not logged in, perhaps you should log in first"
07:20.25XTLMight be a bit more friendly. (https works, though)
07:20.36timelessyeah well...
07:20.38timelessthat too
07:20.38GeneralAntillestimeless, not without nasty mediawiki hacks.
07:20.48timelessgrr
07:20.58timelesswhat about changing the edit links to be https?
07:21.01GeneralAntillesPersonally, I'm in favor of using MediaWiki's permissions to properly ban anonymouse edits.
07:21.05timelessyou can't seriously tell me that *that* would be hard?
07:21.16GeneralAntillesanonymous*
07:21.31GeneralAntillesWell, I suppose I could change the ban reason.
07:21.33GeneralAntillesOne sec.
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07:22.18timelessis confused
07:22.21timelessi'm using https
07:22.26timelessit's letting me try to edit the page
07:22.36timelessbut it has a 'log in' link at the top
07:22.39GeneralAntillesYou can edit over https anonymously.
07:22.52GeneralAntillesreally wishes MediaWiki had an admin control panel.
07:23.02timelessok, that makes a load of sense
07:23.05timelessshakes head
07:23.32XTLwishes there was something that stopped people from using mediawiki. And php.
07:23.42timelessand wikis!
07:23.47timelessok, i give up
07:23.58timelesstrying to find the previous version of a deled page is apparently hard
07:25.28GeneralAntillestimeless, OK, here's the issue. Anonymous edits over http show up as by "127.0.0.1" because of some proxy weirdness.
07:25.45GeneralAntillesSo you can't ban IPs specifically
07:26.03GeneralAntilleswhich is problematic because you get spammers (who seem to come from the same IP often enough).
07:26.29GeneralAntillesThe bug on that is a WONTFIX, so we're banning 127.0.0.1, which effectively bans all anonymous edits over http.
07:26.47GeneralAntillesYou CAN edit anonymously over https, though, because we get a real IP for users doing that.
07:27.10GeneralAntillesPersonally, I'm in favor of banning ALL anonymous edits, but there wasn't consensus for that when the discussion last came up.
07:27.14GeneralAntillesSo here we are.
07:27.31timelesshttps://wiki.maemo.org/Enabling_DUN_on_Windows_Mobile_5_and_6
07:27.45timelessyou've kinda broken that page by deleting 1/3 of the links
07:28.13GeneralAntillesYeah, I'm gonna delete that one too.
07:28.24timelessor maybe you deleted 2/4 of the links?
07:28.46GeneralAntillesThese are old itT wiki articles that andrewfblack has been kind enough to help migrate.
07:28.54GeneralAntillesProblem is, lots of them are terrible. :\
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07:29.31timelessi hope he's not doing it by hand
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07:29.40timelessbtw, is anyone going to kill the other wikis?
07:29.48timelessso many wikis, so little valuable content
07:30.05GeneralAntillesThe old midgard wiki is mostly a 770-relevant archive at this point
07:30.26GeneralAntillesI need to get with dneary to go through it, though, as a lot of its articles are colliding uselessly with newer articles.
07:30.36GeneralAntillesThe itT wiki is up to Reggie
07:30.42GeneralAntillesPersonally, I'd like to see it deleted.
07:30.57GeneralAntillesBut the itT crowd is likely to lynch me if I suggest it again.
07:31.00XTLmidgard is a pretty neat name. I wonder if that scheme was kept up anywhere.
07:31.03timelessheh
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07:31.32GeneralAntillesand the 770 crowd will lynch me if I suggest deleting the midgard wiki again.
07:31.47timelesslol
07:32.06XTLSo you'll have to have careful timing to get both requests out before the mob hits
07:32.09GeneralAntillesJust gotta try to mitigate their negative effect on the ease-of-access to relevant information.
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07:32.26timelessare the 770 wiki things r/w ?
07:32.32GeneralAntillesXTL, see if I can get them to kill eachother when they arrive here at the same time to kill me.
07:32.32timelessbecause i keep hitting r/o wikis
07:32.35GeneralAntillesmidgard is locked.
07:32.37timelesswhich pisses me off
07:32.42timelessthe content sucks
07:32.43GeneralAntillesWhich is funny for a wiki
07:32.45timelessand i'd liek to fix it
07:32.53XTLindeed
07:33.04timeless(even my typos would be an improvement!)
07:33.11GeneralAntillestimeless, well, part of it is that we'd rather see any effort that might go there go into the mediawiki instead.
07:33.31timelesscan you tell google NoIndex? :)
07:33.33GeneralAntillesBut we didn't consider deleting the old content seriously enough when the mediawiki was just migrated midgard content.
07:33.42GeneralAntillestimeless, can we? That'd help a lot.
07:33.47timelessyeah
07:33.50timelessa couple of ways
07:33.56timelessone is w/ robots.txt
07:34.03timelessanother is w/ their site thingy
07:34.07timelessi can't remember how it works
07:34.22GeneralAntillesNow that mediawiki actually has some useful content, some midgard pages need to be deleted.
07:34.22timelessbut probably Agent: * Disallow: /community/*
07:34.34timelessor something like that
07:34.45GeneralAntillesLike I said, I'll be running through the list with dneary when he gets back from vacation.
07:35.21timelesshttps://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/docs/en/about.html
07:35.26GeneralAntillesNow I want to figure out what's actually happening with the maemo.org layout.
07:35.50GeneralAntillesSo I can decide whether or not I want to try to fix the broken "maemo.org" mediawiki style.
07:36.36GeneralAntillesbookmarks.
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07:37.45GeneralAntilleshttp://wiki.maemo.org/Category:Midgard_wiki <- those are the pages that need attention
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07:40.14moontigertimeless: that works for the bots who respect robots.txt
07:40.21moontigerother will ignore it
07:42.12GeneralAntillesI need more good overview pages like this: http://wiki.maemo.org/USB
07:42.22GeneralAntillesSomebody want to volunteer to do one for SSH or VNC? :)
07:46.13moontigerGA: i would be happy to ... just the overview stuff and links?
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07:46.41GeneralAntillesmoontiger, not a lot of useful SSH or VNC articles at the moment, but, yeah.
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07:47.16GeneralAntillesThis will likely be a good jumping off point: http://wiki.maemo.org/Access_a_linux_pc_desktop_from_an_Internet_Tablet_using_VNC_and_SSH
07:48.22moontigerummmmm whats wrong with that page?
07:50.13moontigeri have to get some sleep now but i'll talk more with you tomorrow about it if thats ok? :)
07:50.18GeneralAntillesIt's poorly formatted, poorly written, filled with lots of cruft information and generally poor quality.
07:50.25GeneralAntillesyeah, no rush. ;)
07:50.34GeneralAntilleshttp://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth
07:50.41GeneralAntillesFeel free to red-link pages which should exist.
07:50.58Jaffa__Morning, all
07:51.30GeneralAntillesHey, Jaffa.
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07:54.28GeneralAntilleslol: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3163#c1
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08:01.14XTL<3 plenware
08:02.19GAN800wonders what, exactly, they're planning to release on Maemo. . . .
08:02.30GAN800s/release/unleash/
08:03.13lbtGeneralAntilles: maybe setup a 'Connectivity' meta page? wifi, usb, ssh, vnc, telnet, PChost, linuxhost...
08:03.35XTLCategory?
08:03.38GAN800lbt, also sounds like a pla,
08:03.55GAN800XTL, that _could_ be better.
08:04.12GAN800That's at least easier and more flexible
08:04.13XTLMediawiki also has those boxes, doesn't it
08:04.20GAN800If less descriptive.
08:04.42lbtbut it's front-page linkable... https://wiki.maemo.org/Connectivity
08:04.58lbtand it's a wiki - move or delete it if it doesn't work :)
08:05.17Jaffa__GAN800: who/what are plenware?
08:05.22GAN800Category:Connectivity is also linkable.
08:05.45GAN800Jaffa__, some Finnish company that just opened an office in China.
08:05.55GAN800http://www.plenware.com
08:06.08lbtCategory:Connectivity won't have red links...
08:06.34GAN800lbt, true enough.
08:06.51XTLShould it?
08:07.03XTLI think categories are useful for seeing what there is, not what's missing.
08:07.08GAN800Just do both for now, I suppose.
08:07.18lbtexactly - eventually convert them
08:07.30XTLOf course a main conn page can be in the category :9
08:08.48XTLThere might not be a neat way to get away from maintaining a list that can be inferred plus a list of what's missing.
08:09.08GAN800Getting these basic topics covered would really be helpful.
08:09.19XTLUnless you make the connectivity page manually list missing topics and have a category box if those are available
08:09.29GAN800I hit USB pretty well yesterday
08:09.41lbthttps://wiki.maemo.org/Connectivity
08:09.51GAN800Bluetooth I just started on
08:10.06GAN800But it needs some real articles to link to.
08:10.32lbtGAN800: I'm an architect - you need a developer ;)
08:10.36GAN800Bluetooth networking should be split into PAN and DUN.
08:10.42lbtfor any real work
08:10.49GAN800and cleaned up.
08:11.07GAN800Bluetooth keyboards needs a cleanup.
08:11.27GAN800Need a Bluetooth mice article
08:11.38GAN800Need more grunt workers. . . .
08:13.17XTLarmy of peons
08:13.40GAN800"Work, work."
08:14.33lbtrero
08:14.44lbtOK - gotta feed the cats
08:14.57GAN800meow
08:15.23GAN800My car currently thinks she wants to go outside to talk to the opossum.
08:15.24lbtthrows GAN800 a biscuit
08:17.27XTLOurs are probably taking the house apart now that the big cats are gone
08:20.09lirilbt: was just looking at that Logitech remote you told me about last night
08:20.16lirilbt: that's 399euros
08:20.29lirilbt: n8x0 + irreco gives you all that and more :)
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08:24.54lbtliri: not quite - the logitech (which is too expensive) is told what to display by the app
08:25.16lbtirreco just throws commands at the client
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08:25.34lbtso it doesn't know what state the client is actually in
08:25.48lbtkinda like pressing the power button n times
08:25.53lbtis it on or off?
08:25.59XTLyes
08:26.21lbtit's not a cat
08:26.45GAN800on, clearly, as it's receiving ir commands. :P
08:26.57lbtno - you're just sending them
08:27.00lbtthat's my point ;)
08:27.14lbtactually it's been nicked
08:27.33lbtbbiab
08:29.30GAN800ups the default scrollbar width up another few pixels.
08:37.07RST38hheh
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08:46.03konttoriGAN800: did you also widen the scrollbar pixmap?
08:46.11konttori(out of curiosity)
08:47.36GeneralAntilleskonttori, way too lazy for that
08:47.44GeneralAntillesI may get around to it once I decide on a good width
08:47.57GeneralAntillesRight now, the arrows on either end are surrounded by whitespace
08:48.06GeneralAntillesand the bar itself is repeated on the right.
08:48.18GeneralAntillesLittle wonky, but it works much better with my thumb
08:48.22konttoriI've been asked to add that as a property to theme maker.
08:48.36konttorias in: scrollbar width/height
08:48.39GeneralAntillesand isn't nearly as oversized as those damn thumb scrollbars.
08:48.57Khertan_n810hi
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08:49.09GeneralAntilleskonttori, Jaffa__ and Khertan were talking about a replacement Theme control panel to tweak stuff like that.
08:49.10konttoriyeah. I hear you. I also prefer to have the scrollbars about 2x wide as they are by default
08:49.20konttorisounds like a good idea to me.
08:49.30konttoriotoh: then you also need to change the pixmaps anyway
08:49.34Khertan_n810konttori: add also if you can the border size of the style osso-window-*
08:49.40konttoribut, I mean, on general, it sounds like a good idea
08:50.09konttoriAt least the previous versions had the ability to toggle it to 2 pixels
08:50.12konttoriI can'
08:50.16GeneralAntillesis slowly seeding plans to have all Nokia closed-source applets replacement by much higher-quality and more-usable open-source community solutions.
08:50.21Khertan_n810generalantilles we talk about it
08:50.23konttorit remember if that is working on the current version or not
08:50.32Khertan_n810but i ve so many thing to do ...
08:50.37Khertan_n810that nothing isn done
08:50.43konttoriI know the feeling
08:50.48GeneralAntillesKhertan_n810, I may be able to talk rm_you into putting it on his list. ;)
08:50.53konttoriwhich reminds me to get back to writing documentation
08:51.16wizahas anyone else noticed that keypad on device lock could be bigger
08:51.17GeneralAntillesSInce he's gonna be doing a replacement for the Display control panel anyway.
08:51.31GeneralAntillesYes, wiza, there's even a bug for it. ;)
08:51.33Khertan_n810why not
08:51.53wizaGeneralAntilles: good :)
08:52.52wizaGeneralAntilles: which bug, is someone working on it or...?
08:53.08GeneralAntilleswiza, search for it, I don't remember the number off-hand
08:53.12Khertan_n810huhu google has just blocked my calendar account
08:53.15GeneralAntillesIt has no @nokia activity.
08:53.47Khertan_n810maybe they don t like multiple access to their api
08:53.59Khertan_n810100 concurrent request :)
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08:55.49lirilol Khertan
08:57.01Khertan_n810they just ask for captcha ...
08:57.24Khertan_n810but i still waiting unlock
08:58.25Khertan_n810is it me or listening audio drain battery  fast ?
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10:02.26kulvehttp://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2008/08/20/linux-on-arm/
10:09.54XTLHas anyone thought of making a non-candy music player like mpd work on the nit?
10:10.28kulvekilikali is non-candy
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10:10.32XTLI expect the decoding is what eats battery, but at least you could make it just do that and not race with a ui
10:10.52floriankulve: Doesn't sound that promising...
10:11.57XTLWell, that's not too bad.
10:13.29Jaffa__XTL: There are a number of mpd clients, at least
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10:32.45crashanddieI think I just went barking mad
10:33.06crashanddieMy clothing disappeared
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10:44.04GeneralAntillesJUST went? :P
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10:44.49GeneralAntillescontinues sewing a flag out of a large pile of clothing.
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10:48.06RST38hIs this flag also a part of maemo branding? =)
10:49.28GAN800Only when I sent a team of ninjas around the summit with branding irons with the flag on them.
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11:33.28crashanddieok
11:33.29crashanddiethat's it
11:33.30crashanddieI lost it
11:33.43crashanddiethe landlord came in, and I mentioned I lost my trousers and shirt
11:33.48crashanddiewe start looking everywhere
11:33.55crashanddieliterally, everywhere
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11:34.26crashanddiekitchen, laundryroom, common room, he's about to open the other rooms from the other tenants to check
11:34.41crashanddiewe go check one last time in my bedroom (and there's isn't a lot to hide there)
11:35.04crashanddieI pull the covers off, and we find the trousers and shirt neatly folded under a pillow
11:35.17crashanddieI have no fucking idea how it got there
11:37.51MikaTcrashanddie: maybe someone had to take the current Matrix from the backup tape, then rewind a bit and play again...
11:38.17XTL"You know when you're at a big party, at the end of it everybody's asleep, the bloke who's on speed is always hoovering"
11:38.38crashanddieyeah, but the thing is, at any point in time, my clothes never got anywhere near the damned pillow
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11:55.57Stskeepskulve: hm, that a new Maemo base or?
11:56.36Stskeepskulve: looks darn interesting though
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11:57.13kulveStskeeps: not maemo based
11:57.38kulveI guess it's more for developing that using.. Definitely not for end users..
12:00.03Stskeepsah, i just recognized your name from somewhere, thought it was nokia :) you might be interested in my bootmenu patch that adds ability for multiboot to have a /linuxrc that is executed instead of initfs's changes. I use it in Deblet myself to avoid initfs fuckery :) http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22705
12:02.32Stskeepsit gets rid of the need to have initfs rm stuff on your partition, but still makes you able to talk to dsme and such
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12:08.21usicowI just got my n810 today.. whats the preferred way to play around in its shell? Use a terminal window on the n810, or install openssh and ssh into it from a deaktop?
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12:09.29Stskeepsdepends on if you're a machocist or not
12:09.40Stskeepsi like ssh from a desktop since i dont like the keyboard :P
12:10.16usicow:) ok
12:10.52usicowI guess its hard working with that little keyboard in a shell
12:11.02usicowdo you have an external keyboard for the n810 too?
12:11.08Stskeepskulve: we also have patches in Deblet for WPA/WEP encryption support, if you use the properitary umac atleast
12:11.15Stskeepsfor cx3110x
12:11.21Stskeepsi got NetworkManager with mine
12:11.25Stskeeps+working
12:11.41Stskeeps(with WPA/WPA2 etc)
12:12.14egyptusicow: definitely ssh
12:12.28egyptnot having pipe is a pain
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12:17.15usicowok cool.. just flashing it to OS 2008 first, and then I'll install openssh-server
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12:23.38timelesshello world
12:23.48timelesshas anyone here ever had ctrl-a in the browser location bar not work?
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12:24.18timelessegypt: try the british keylayout?
12:24.24timelessor is this the n810 hardware
12:24.35timelessbecause the software vkb layouts are distinct for US/GB
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12:29.38kulveStskeeps: I'm very interested in those.
12:30.06roadiesIS there a PHP distro for maemo, to be exact an Apache PHP plugin?  I have the Apache distro but its missing PHP
12:30.19Stskeepskulve: lemme just dig it up.. sec
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12:32.54usicowIm trying to update to OS2008, but in the update wizard thing it says 'device not found'.. windows does see it though - I can browse the internal memory card.. any ideas whats going on?
12:33.12usicowI can see the USB logo
12:33.29Stskeepskulve: http://trac.tspre.org/svn/deblet/dependancies/2.6.21-omap1/cx3110x.ko is the binary, you can test with this i guess, i'll try to see if i can find the source patches
12:34.39atulHI I am using sqlite3_open (DB, &db); when I try to wright something on run time it gives error message like "Can't execute: attempt to write a readonly database" How to resolve this problem ?
12:34.47atulHI all, For above problem I found solution of using sqlite3_open_v2(") which take SQLITE_OPEN_READWRITE flag but on maemo platform it says undefined.
12:37.34Stskeepskulve: deblet-cx3110x.patch
12:37.35Stskeepser
12:38.00Stskeepskulve: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit2/f/deblet-cx3110x.patch
12:38.07Stskeepsi think this is the one, no warranties though
12:38.13Stskeepslooks like the correct one so
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12:51.11kulveStskeeps: thanks
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12:52.56ranithi, is there support for decibel on maemo dev
12:54.10Stskeepskulve: your audio works fully in kaze? we might borrow that solution then since that's what we're missing :)
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13:00.23kulveStskeeps: well, not sure about the "fully" part, but at least the normal playback seemed to work
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13:04.11mranostay_workhello
13:04.53mranostay_workanyone here can help me with a Maemo legacy question? what media indexer is on the Nokia images?
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13:32.32usicowis this what I should install for a termianl on the n810? osso-xterm - X Terminal Emulator for OS2008
13:32.56lcukterminal is installed by default?
13:33.06usicowoh
13:33.31usicowahh I see it.. cool thanks
13:33.39usicowI hate being a noob :)
13:33.57lcukdon't worry, we wont laugh at you (too much)
13:34.17usicowhehe
13:34.50lcukive totally forgotten what i came online for, ahhh well ill remember later
13:37.05usicowI just installed bash2 via ssh into my n810, but in the middle of it a dialog box opened on the n810 saying that I have to issue the command bash-config to make it the default and stuff.. is there a way I can stop stuff like happening if Im ssh'ed in? Cause maybe I dont have physical access to my n810 at that time :)
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13:51.11usicowusing sftp and 802.11g network I should be able to get more than 200k/s uploading to the n810 right?
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13:54.23pupnikhi usicow
13:54.55usicowhey
13:54.57pupniknever tried bash2
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13:55.22usicowok, no worries
13:55.34pupnikbut some packages require you to click on dialog boxes
13:55.42pupniknot possible to do everything via ssh
13:55.47pupnikvnc works though
13:55.50usicowshame.. but I think I can live with that :)
13:55.55usicowoh thats a good idea.. I'll install vnc
13:56.04pupnikalso if you develop for the tablet
13:56.21pupnikor just want to use it from your desktop - you can install synergy to control the tablet with your pc kbd/mouse
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13:56.50pupnikmakes typing on the tablet quite convenient
13:56.51usicowyeah I read about that.. you think that works pretty well?
13:58.42pupniki wouldn't miss it
13:58.52usicowah, ok
13:59.42usicowI got another question.. I just uploaded some mp3's via sftp into the directory /root, but I cant find where they went on the n810 if I use the file manager :) where did they go?
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14:02.56pupnikeh the file manager is not made for people like me
14:03.14pupnikit hides stuff... that makes me chuck things at a wall
14:03.44pupnikspeaking of which, that's a good project - replacement filemanager and open dialog boxes
14:03.58usicowyeah,.. I can see :)
14:04.04pupnikusicow: ssh into root and ls /root
14:04.36usicowpupnik: yeah thats what I ended up doing.. I just wont make the mistake on uploading to /root again :)
14:04.50usicowI just mv'ed them to /home/user
14:04.57pupnikyeah :( or MyDocs
14:05.04usicowk
14:05.08pupniki symlinked MyDocs to my MMC card
14:05.27pupnikthat way i can store big crap and see it easily in filemanager / open dialogs
14:05.38usicowgot ya
14:05.50pupnikright in Video, Audio whatever
14:13.32Khertanhi ...
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14:29.55crashanddieanyone want to beta test a small app ? And tell me what they think of it ?
14:30.15crashanddieYou'll need to install wget/libxml++/libsdl_ttf
14:31.57Khertancrashanddie > what does it do ?
14:32.46crashanddieit retrieves an XML file that is compiled every 10 minutes, containing tags about the latest news stories, and displays those. At the moment it's just about testing SDL, and the panning
14:33.05crashanddielater on, you'll be able to view the stories related to a given tag
14:33.22crashanddieBasically, RSS on steroids
14:33.30Khertanlol
14:34.27usicowpupnik: I can see vncviewer available via apt-cache search, but not the server.. can I run vnc server on the n810?
14:34.46crashanddieno one wanna try it ? :(
14:35.14KhertanRAHHHH ! i understand why i get error 400 in sync !
14:35.31Khertangoogle id isn't permanent !
14:35.32Khertanhuhu
14:35.35Khertangreat idea
14:35.40crashanddiec'mon GeneralAntilles you're not doing anything anyway, give it a go :P
14:36.00usicowcrashanddie: sorry, Im just setting my new n810 up.
14:36.06crashanddieno problem :)
14:36.20crashanddieI'm out to get some fags anyway, bbl
14:36.20pupniki just realized that I get laid less often than i reboot computers
14:36.48crashanddiepupnik, which means you you're a well paid person
14:36.58RST38hcrashanddie: please stop doing that
14:37.03crashanddiedoing what ?
14:37.15RST38hshudders every time the word is used in its british meaning
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14:37.24RST38h=)
14:37.26crashanddielol
14:37.40crashanddiewell, I'm talking the right language
14:37.46RST38htrue
14:37.57pupnikthis is very, very wrong
14:38.08crashanddienot that slang should be considered part of the "right language"
14:38.25crashanddiebbiab
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14:41.21RST38h~lart VT
14:41.21infobotstuffs VT into a shiny new tin can and vacuum seals it
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14:50.35Italodancelol
14:50.36Italodancehttp://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/non-free/c/canola2/
14:50.42Italodancenon-free!?
14:50.45usicowI just got an error 'not enough memory in target location' when isntalling rdesktop.. why would that be?
14:51.26Italodancehi pupnik
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14:52.44AndrewFBlackusicow how much free memory do you have on your tablet?
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14:53.09usicowAndrewFBlack: if I use the df command I can see the / is 99% full
14:53.36usicowis that the problem?
14:53.55||cwyup
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14:54.55AndrewFBlackusicow that would be it
14:55.02usicowhmm ok.. the only thing I put on there was 88MB of mp3's though into /home/users/MyDocs
14:55.24AndrewFBlackyou installed a lot of programs?
14:55.42usicowAndrewFBlack: nah, not at all.. just bash2 I think,.. oh and skype
14:56.07crashanddieItalodance, canola2 isn't open source
14:56.34crashanddieusicow, the root filesystem is 128Mb
14:56.54AndrewFBlackusicow yeah the 88mb is alot I would move them to a card
14:56.54crashanddieusicow, n800 or n810 ?
14:57.02usicowits an n810
14:57.12crashanddieusicow, move them to the internal memory card then
14:58.51usicowok.. Im relativly new to linux, but how can I tell what partition /home/users is on?
14:59.01usicow/home/user rather
14:59.13usicowcause thats where I had put the mp3's
14:59.20Italodancecrashanddi do u have this new version?
14:59.31crashanddieItalodance, nope
15:00.23crashanddieusicow, well / is mounted on /dev/mtdblock4, so everything under it (and which is not specified in the mount table) will be mounted there
15:00.34crashanddieusicow, so, considering /home is under /, well...
15:01.08SjBusicow you should do an apt-get clean I've notice that the apt archive dir was using all my hd space
15:01.20usicowcrashanddie: ahh
15:01.31crashanddieyeah, or just rm -rf /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb
15:01.33usicowSjB: ok I'll do that.
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15:01.40cbx333hi all
15:01.50cbx333what's the easiest way to rotate the screen....?
15:01.55cbx333does it even work?
15:01.58crashanddieyes it does
15:02.05cbx333i saw something about xrandr
15:02.10cbx333and tried to install sliderotate
15:02.16cbx333but it said it couldn't find xrandr
15:02.24crashanddiecbx333, you running diablo or chinook
15:02.25crashanddie?
15:02.31cbx333chinook I think
15:02.35cbx333how can I tell
15:02.52cbx333it's been a while since I last flashed
15:02.55usicowwith the root file system being so small doesnt everyone complain that they cant install all the programs they want?
15:03.03cbx333maybe Ishould upgrade
15:03.15cbx333crashanddie: ?
15:03.31crashanddiecbx333, well, I only tried it on diablo, and it was pretty straightforward
15:03.37crashanddieI don't know if a lot changes under chinook
15:03.44cbx333hmmm
15:03.47cbx333ok
15:03.53cbx333I'll try and get diablo tonight
15:03.55crashanddieusicow, it is possible to install the rootfs on an external memory card
15:04.01cbx333starts a backup
15:04.35crashanddiecbx333, http://sse2.net/rotate/
15:04.54crashanddiecbx333, note the link under the "Update" section, which points to the how-to for diablo
15:05.42usicowcrashanddie: do people do that? Or is that bad for performance or something?
15:05.57crashanddieusicow, quite some people did/do it
15:05.58cbx333crashanddie: and that's the latest kernel?
15:06.38crashanddieusicow, but it makes sense to do it on a external memory card (not the internal one), as you can change the external one, if something goes wrong (corrupt card, worn out, whatever)
15:06.57usicowcrashanddie: I see ok.
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15:07.11cbx33350% backed up
15:07.12cbx333:D
15:07.13crashanddiecbx333, I followed the instructions for diablo, used the files that were provided, didn't have any problem
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15:10.05cbx333http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/advanced-backlight/
15:10.11cbx333presumably you still need xrandr
15:11.49crashanddiecbx333, yes, advanced backlight only provides an easy to use interface when you have installed support for it
15:12.57cbx333ok
15:13.54usicowIm not sure what happened, but now when I go to Catalogues in the application manager its blank :( how can I get back the default catalogues?
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15:19.01usicowdamn.. it was because my root partition was full again
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15:50.15Khertan_n810still doesn t understand why he get reset by peer error from gdata while retrieving only one evzent !
15:50.33RST38hpeer hates you!
15:51.05Khertan_n810this is like this 400 error which occur sometime
15:51.16Khertan_n810and same request work 30s later
15:51.56RST38hMeanwhile, Motorola cluster fuck continues...
15:52.05Khertan_n810does gdata is still in beta
15:52.16Khertan_n810?
15:53.54Khertan_n8101570: GtkWarning: gtk_widget_size_allocate(): attempt to allocate widget with width 720 and height -9
15:53.56Khertan_n810huhu
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15:57.49GNUtonHi there
15:58.18Khertan_n810hi gnuton
15:59.07GNUtonHey Khertan_n810 :)
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16:47.49JZAhi how can I get some CLI for maemo
16:48.05JZAI am looking for tools such as wget
16:48.50crashanddieapt-get install wget
16:49.34JZAanyone here?
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16:49.56johnxis here
16:49.56Khertan_n810i m back
16:49.56JZAErr http://repository.maemo.org diablo/free wget 1.10.2-2osso2
16:49.56JZA<PROTECTED>
16:49.56JZAFailed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/w/wget/wget_1.10.2-2osso2_armel.deb  Temporary failure resolving 'repository.maemo.org'
16:49.56JZAE: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
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16:50.21Khertan_n810JZA: under sb ?
16:50.27johnxJZA, "works for me" (tm)
16:50.32Khertan_n810lol
16:50.40JZAKhertan_n810: sb?
16:50.47johnxsb = scratchbox
16:50.48Khertan_n810scratchbox
16:50.57JZAno I have diablo 4.0.1
16:51.17Khertan_n810so pray a bit much and try again
16:51.29johnxcan you ping google.com?
16:51.34JZAyeah
16:51.50johnxand can you reach repository.maemo.org from your desktop?
16:51.54JZAok is working now
16:52.06Khertan_n810pray that his sync will finish in reset by peer error
16:52.11johnxI guess that's why it's a "Temporary failure" :)
16:52.40JZAbtw any IRC client for diablo
16:52.45crashanddiedude
16:52.47JZAxchat didn't make it to diablo
16:52.47johnxxchat is in maemo extras
16:52.48crashanddie!google
16:52.49JZAneither pidign
16:52.57crashanddieJZA, of course they did
16:53.04johnxuses xchat on his n800
16:53.16crashanddieand I use pidgin/xchat on my n810
16:53.20JZAI used xchat on n800 for chinook
16:53.26JZAbut there is no 2008 version
16:53.39crashanddieJZA, diablo AND chinook == 2008
16:53.47JZA2007 then
16:53.55crashanddieJZA, and most chinook packages are compatible with diablo
16:54.06JZAok let me try
16:54.13crashanddieJZA, like I said, google
16:54.24johnxxchat is in the diablo extras repository
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16:56.03Khertan_n810i use it currently :)
16:56.36JZAok this is odd my sources.list are empty
16:56.52Khertan_n810.d
16:57.03johnxmaemo is not debian. :) your repos are under /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
16:57.20Khertan_n810debian use .d too
16:57.42johnxit puts base stuff in sources.list though
16:58.26Stskeepsplays with his semi-gui deblet installer
16:58.41Khertan_n810noone have the time to help me to make a better gui for mcontacts ?
16:58.57johnxcatches up on the news after having been AFK for 48 hours
17:00.07Stskeepsjohnx: i'm putting out a "please beta test my now more easy installer" post in some hours when i've tested i can install fully :P I made a "Install Deblet" icon that runs roxterm and uses zenity for many questions :P
17:00.29johnxvery cool
17:00.38johnxI have a working install now with lxde and it's quite fast
17:00.41johnxI even use gdm
17:00.59johnxmemory usage is only a couple percent and it can be swapped out easily I bet
17:01.06Stskeepsalso regarding sound, Kaze (some other armel dist for n800) had some stuff that might work - i added hint to Deblet has no sound thread
17:01.16AndrewFBlackkhertan_n810 I got the time if you teach me how lol
17:01.36lcukui design is something you can do with a piece of paper and a pen (or liqbase)
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17:01.57AndrewFBlackWell yeah I can design it but I cna't make it
17:02.16Stskeepsjohnx: also with the new introduction of "linuxrc"'s into boot menu, it's possible to make things like "boot into ext2 image file" :>
17:02.32Stskeepswhich is darned slow but neat
17:02.58zethero1How do i change the default application for opening video files?
17:02.58johnxStskeeps, then we can just ship a prepared image...like before :P
17:03.20johnxzethero1, not all that easily. lookup dbus-switchboard
17:03.32Stskeepsjohnx: i plan to have "Install onto a file on your MMC"
17:03.33Khertan_n810AndrewFBBlack: i just need a glade file
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17:03.58JZAKhertan so I installed the Extra repo from here but still cant find xchat
17:04.01JZAhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Extras
17:05.05JZAneither apt-cache search xchat helped
17:05.13zethero1Anyone?
17:05.17JZAcan u provide the URI of the Extra repo?
17:05.21lcuksearch will only search within your setup repos
17:05.50lcuki dont know which repo its in, i installed it months ago from an old deb i found
17:06.01JZAright, I thought I just enabled the Extra repo on that site
17:06.09johnxzethero1, look at dbus-switchboard
17:06.15JZAlcuk: so it wasn't a diablo package?
17:06.33JZAok that might change things
17:06.36lcukno, at the time it was a chinook beta test thing
17:06.49johnxJZA, It might be in extras-devel or something
17:06.59lcukbut i heard it got put into some maemo extras repo or another
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17:07.09AndrewFBlackKhertan_810 I'm willing to help if you want me to
17:07.30Khertan_n810extras-devel
17:07.30johnxJZA, yeah extras-devel
17:07.50johnxJZA, also use this to search for things: xchat site:repository.maemo.org
17:08.12Khertan_n810AndrewFBlack: do u know how to use glade ?
17:09.12AndrewFBlackKhertan_n810 I've never used it before but I think I will pick it up easly
17:09.22Khertan_n810:)
17:09.35Ghjmedoes nokia n810 have 2d acceleration?
17:09.54Khertan_n810yep ... not very difficult ... but a little boring to use ... and to make great looking gui
17:09.54lcukGhjme, the nokia n810 has 2d AND 3d de-acceleration
17:10.13Khertan_n810but no driver yet :)
17:10.25JZAok that worked
17:10.26Ghjmeoh
17:10.56AndrewFBlackI've made some UI before beleave it or not anything I cna do at work I consider fun lol
17:10.58Khertan_n810there is to simplify the same 3d processor than in the iphone at a lower frequency
17:11.43Khertan_n810AndrewFBlack: can i send you the current glade file by mail ?
17:11.45Ghjmeis the ui speed decent?
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17:11.56AndrewFBlackyeah andrewfblack@gmail.com
17:12.34johnxGhjme, it depends on the app. overall it's ok, but not "really fast"
17:12.56Ghjmeok
17:13.49johnxGhjme, was there any app you had in mind?
17:14.08JZAwhat abotu pidgin? I can't see pidign on extras or extra-devel
17:14.20AndrewFBlackKhertan_n810 any certain look your going for?
17:14.30Ghjmejohnx: no not any specific
17:14.43Khertan_n810something that can be use without stylus :)
17:15.21johnxJZA, I guess it's only available in the chinook extras repo
17:15.39JZAjohnx would it run on diablo?
17:15.47JZAI only got this repo http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/3.2/free/p/pidgin/
17:15.50johnxJZA, I would assume so
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17:16.03johnxJZA, look further down :)
17:16.03AndrewFBlackkhertan_810 ok send it over when you get a chance and I'll take a look at it tonight
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17:16.16JZAright but this is 3.2 not 4.x
17:16.30johnxJZA, look. further. down. the. page.
17:16.40zethero1johnx: looks kinda complex ... But thanks for the heads up
17:17.44Khertan_n810AndrewFBlack: mail sent. thanks for your help
17:18.06AndrewFBlackno problem I'll give it a try.
17:18.22Khertan_n810i ve send you the entire project
17:18.33AndrewFBlackok
17:18.34Khertan_n810there is also the python code
17:18.47Stskeepsjohnx: you bored to check an .install file for diablo that i'm not sure works? (it doesn't -actually- install bootmenu and deblet, but it installs the installers for them)
17:18.55Khertan_n810but if you change ui it ll crash
17:19.14AndrewFBlackok
17:19.16johnxStskeeps, heh. I just booted to debian to work on sound :)
17:19.18zethero1Is it possible to watch video over the network?
17:19.34Khertan_n810and don t sync twice time ... it will wipe many informations of your gmail contacts
17:19.36Khertan_n810:)
17:19.39GAN800http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org
17:19.51Stskeepsjohnx: hehe, alright :)
17:20.04AndrewFBlacklol ok good to know
17:20.11Khertan_n810:)
17:20.28Khertan_n810i wipped mine test account
17:21.03Khertan_n810hum mcalendar can now sync multiple calendar :)
17:21.11AndrewFBlacksweet
17:21.22AndrewFBlackyou started work on mtasts yet?
17:21.23Khertan_n810just need to do more test
17:21.31AndrewFBlackmtasks
17:21.34Khertan_n810tastes ? :)
17:21.42Khertan_n810mtasks already exists
17:21.46AndrewFBlacklol ok
17:22.04Khertan_n810but not very goof
17:22.06Khertan_n810good
17:22.06Khertan_n810and no sync
17:22.10Khertan_n810as there isn't google tasks
17:22.32AndrewFBlackcould you sync mTasks with google Notebook?
17:22.55Khertan_n810nope ... no end date, no status
17:23.02Khertan_n810on google notebook
17:23.24AndrewFBlackhow about a mNotes then :)
17:23.27Khertan_n810but i ll make later a google mNotes
17:23.30Khertan_n810:)
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17:23.43dannymhi :)
17:24.00Khertan_n810hi
17:24.03AndrewFBlackwhat would be real nice is something to sync my Google Docs
17:24.17Khertan_n810hum ...
17:24.31Khertan_n810there isn t editor for document yet
17:24.40Khertan_n810so this will be hard to do :)
17:25.11Khertan_n810and from what i ve see syncing google docs is painful
17:25.21AndrewFBlackyeah I would think it is
17:25.29Khertan_n810as you can t keep category
17:25.45lcukyou can email documents between it from what i understand
17:25.46Khertan_n810otherwhile i could make the sync in a folder
17:26.05AndrewFBlackTo tell the truth on documents I would be happy with 1 way sync to the tablet just for viewing
17:26.13Khertan_n810with subfolder for category
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17:27.12AndrewFBlackicuk yeah you can email them in I've done it before
17:28.45lcukAndrewFBlack, i dont know how you managed it, but you managed to find a variation on my nick thats actually harder to say than my proper one
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17:29.28Khertan_n810lol
17:29.34AndrewFBlacklcuk I'm just that good
17:29.43Khertan_n810i see u k !
17:29.45Khertan_n810:)
17:32.42GAN800Somebody want to find the old bug and dupe this? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3617
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17:33.26GNUtonHi bergie! :)
17:33.55bergiehi
17:34.01bergieI'm just popping in for a moment between swordfighting practice and some beer :-)
17:34.58johnxbergie, just as long as you never do that in a different order :)
17:35.11bergierarely, rarely
17:36.28Khertan_n810GAN800: #2051
17:36.45GAN800Ahaaaa, thanks!
17:37.04GAN800gets really lazy when he's on the tablet.
17:37.38Khertan_n810but i ll not edit it ... i m on tablet too
17:38.18Khertan_n810GAN800: there is a bugzilla ui for the tablet ? or it s not maintain
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17:38.30GAN800Mabugz
17:38.53GAN800I've found that all bugzilla clients just plain suck
17:39.10lcukfile a bug
17:40.14Khertan_n810lol
17:40.39Khertan_n810not worse than using microb
17:41.22GAN800lol, the KDE guys are already filing bugs.
17:41.47GAN800They need to learn how to upgrade, judging by some version numbers.
17:41.48Khertan_n810bug for what ?
17:41.55Khertan_n810arf
17:42.03Khertan_n810kde guys :)
17:42.05GAN800Khertan, WAAAAY worse than using MicroB.
17:43.44timelessgan: where are the bugs?
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17:44.42Stskeepsheh, it's apparent that the kde people have gotten n810s.. they're blogging about it on galaxy.osnews.com which i follow
17:44.45Stskeeps:P
17:46.05GAN800timless, #3617 for one.
17:46.08Khertan_n810hum ... not a good idea
17:46.14GAN800There are a couple others.
17:46.26johnxto be fair, there was a lot of good written in Qt for various zauruses
17:46.27lcukStskeeps, they were given freebies last week
17:46.47GAN800Man, I'm a 'technological primma donna' now.
17:47.35Stskeepsreal hackers buy the tablets themselves, fall in love, and hack on them all day
17:47.37Stskeeps:>
17:47.47johnxGAN800, primma? whoever called you that is a createev spellerer
17:48.02crashanddieanyone with Diablo wanting to do me a favour ?
17:48.09GAN800http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=215720
17:48.18GAN800Awesome thread, btw.
17:48.46johnxGAN800, will I regret this?
17:49.06GAN800johnx, it's pretty hilarious.
17:49.07Stskeepsthe wet slot one?
17:49.18Khertan_n810johnx > the zaurus ui is ... horrible
17:49.21Stskeepsah, or that one
17:49.30GAN800No, the 'I'm Black and I need Help' one
17:49.41Khertan_n810lol
17:49.42johnxKhertan, not the UI in general, but some of the nice Qt apps
17:50.01crashanddieI'll rephrase that: I need someone with diablo, I'll give him a cookie and buy him a beer at the Summit
17:50.24crashanddiedammit
17:50.29dannymhehehe
17:50.34crashanddieI just disqualified everyone who doesn't come to the summit
17:50.45dannymcrashanddie: sure, what favour? :)
17:50.53GAN800I might do you a 'favor'. :P
17:51.05crashanddieGAN800, stfu you redneck
17:51.39crashanddiedannym, apt-get install wget libxml++2.6c2a libsdl-ttf2.0-0
17:51.45crashanddie(on the tablet, of course)
17:51.52Stskeepsgod.. debootstrap and huge apt-get is possible worse than watching XP install
17:52.00GAN800crashanddie, stfu you drug addict. :P
17:52.20crashanddieand then: wget http://undercity.doesntexist.com/~crashanddie/cloudreader && wget http://undercity.doesntexist.com/~crashanddie/adler.ttf && chmod +x cloudreader
17:52.22AndrewFBlackI don't know who posted under a fake name on that I'm black and need help thread but they need some balls I disagree with people all the time and get flamed prob more then most people and I always use my login
17:52.43Khertan_n810disqualified for what ?
17:53.19Khertan_n810AndrewFBlack: do like me ... don t feed the troll
17:53.36Khertan_n810so .... bye
17:53.51AndrewFBlackwhich troll the want to be black one or the one who posted under fake name :)
17:54.05johnxGAN800, the funny part was when they invoked your name in the one thread you *didn't* post in
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17:55.05GAN800johnx, plus the irony of bitching about having to search in a thread where every bit of information the guy could want is right there.
17:55.42johnxsome people are really just completely search impaired. they look at a blank search form and they just freeze up
17:55.46GAN800I'm moving more and more towards just abandoning that hellhole for good.
17:55.46johnxI don't know what it is...
17:55.51AndrewFBlackI think we should ask Reggie to compare Ips and see who posted under a dummy account
17:56.27AndrewFBlackGA if you leave who am I going to talk shit about all the time :)
17:56.36johnxGAN800, you need to let some threads go. They'll either figure it out on their own or not. no need to worry about it. if no one posts it will just drop off the front page and they'll figure it out or not
17:56.50GAN800When innocent comments get 'ur uh d-bag!', it's time to move on.
17:57.28GAN800At least on other forums I have other d-bags to duke it out with.
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17:57.49GAN800But fighting with idiots is neither interesting nor enjoyable.
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17:58.24johnxthe people with half a clue don't care enough to fight
17:58.28Stskeepsi just enjoy the Alternative forums, they are pretty much quiet :P
17:58.29crashanddiedannym, ?
17:58.39AndrewFBlackI'm offened GA doesn't concider me a d-bag with him
17:59.13johnxGAN800, we could stage a big fight. :D see how many people back each of us without knowing what we're fighting about :)
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17:59.33GAN800If you want to see truely epic d-baggery, check out 'thomm' on the AmbrosiaSW forum for Redline.
18:00.17AndrewFBlacklol johnx that would be funny as hell
18:00.31crashanddiewhat's so funny about hell ?
18:01.10johnxcrashanddie, clowns
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18:01.45crashanddieO RLY ?
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18:02.01johnxcrashanddie, strue
18:02.23GAN800The big arguments are the best.
18:02.36roadiesanyone have experience setting up a applic package have time for a few questions on the process
18:02.46GAN800Thanks!-whoring is never better than when the flames are highest. ;)
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18:04.22roadiesIs using Ubuntu or just vanilla Debian better?
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18:04.39crashanddieGAN800 is an alien who fuels off trolls and flamewars
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18:04.46crashanddieroadies, define:better
18:05.11AndrewFBlackitT has never seen a good flameware
18:05.14AndrewFBlackwar
18:05.37lirihםw come pyano isn't in my repos?
18:05.38crashanddiethat's because I'm not on it regularly
18:05.45liriis it sוpposed to be on chinook or diablo?
18:06.13roadiesI'm porting a applic over to a n810 (apache with php), I have the maemo devel environ working on my Fedora but I think I need to use a debian distro to get it to the n810
18:07.05GAN800liri, because Aisu hasn't pushed it.
18:07.34roadiesso I need to build a system, which on is easier Ubuntu or Debian and if Ubuntu will I run into the same problem with the packaging process
18:07.48liriGAN800:  he really should :)
18:08.08johnxwhat are your current problems with the packaging process. you should be able to do it inside scratchbox...
18:09.17roadiesjohnx: page 451 of the refer manual says to "tar xvfz" the run a deb process against the tar file, Fedora does rpm not deb stuff.
18:09.47roadiesand the n810 doesnt have a tar supporting "z" compress
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18:10.10RST38htar cvzf - files |gzip >target
18:10.21RST38hsorry, you want uncompress...
18:10.23johnxroadies, hang on a sec and I'll read the page, but you should be able to do packaging inside scratchbox
18:10.24crashanddiedannym, any news man ?
18:10.26CptLaptopwhats the webcomic reader app called again, anyone?
18:10.31RST38hthen gzcat source.tgz |tar xvf -
18:10.32crashanddiedannym, PM me, I'm off to eat something
18:12.38dannymcrashanddie: installing :)
18:12.43dannymcrashanddie: okay
18:12.47roadiescrashhanddie: the other issue is I can compile everything just great in the DIABLO_X86 environment but not in the DIABL0_ARM environ....aka... "make install fails" dont I need to do that to port to the n810?
18:12.52crashanddiedannym, well, now I'm still here
18:13.12crashanddiewtf you talking to me for roadies ?
18:13.38neilpwcCptLaptop: just a regular image viewer?
18:14.08crashanddieroadies, You should probably try to install all the compilation tools you installed under X86 on DIABLO_ARM too, as they don't share the same installed package list
18:14.16roadiesI dont cause I type the wrong name....I am very sorry...... meant to direct to johnx
18:14.47crashanddielol... From johnx to crashanddie, quite a leap my friend ;)
18:15.12roadiescrashhanddie...its been a long long day...
18:15.14johnxroadies, try putting the actual error messages on pastebin...there's lots of things that can fail :)
18:15.16roadies*sign*
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18:15.26johnxknows about long days O_o
18:15.34crashanddieroadies, try typing "cra" and then hitting the tab key on your keyboard
18:15.38johnxroadies, page 451 of which manual?
18:17.06crashanddiedannym, you're killing me :P
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18:19.05roadiesJohnx: Maemo_Diablo_reference_manual_for_maemo_4.1.pdf off the maemo webpage
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18:19.06dannymcrashanddie: (libsigc+-2.0-0c2a, libglibmm-2.4-1c2a and libxml++2.6c2a are unsigned it says... I'm overriding it)
18:19.45dannymcrashanddie: yeah well, my internet connection isn't exactly fast... best grab something to eat, it will take a few minutes... I'll be here the whole time :D
18:20.10crashanddiedannym, yeah well, my timing's off, I have a few minutes of my own :)
18:25.27johnxroadies, what happens if you do that stuff inside scratchbox?
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18:27.33roadiesjohnx: "make"s work fine in both DIABLO_X86 and DIABLO_ARM, "make install" has problems in DIABLO_ARM and I have not tried running the backage stuff within scratchbox.  I didnt know you could do that so let me try
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18:28.14roadiesJohnx: correction:  backage should be package
18:30.13roadiesJohnx:  but let me ask, am I correct in assuming, I need to build within the DIABLO_ARM envirnoment since its for the n810.  And do I really need to do the make install step anyway?  Isnt that taken care of by the packaging ?
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18:33.03crashanddiedannym, lol... Are you connected through a 1994 dial-up modem ?
18:33.08liriis it possible to add programs to the applications menu? I took a look at panels in control panel but it's not possible there
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18:34.01dannymcrashanddie: no, I'm connected through a usbnet cable... bear with me :)
18:34.12crashanddieok :)
18:34.24dannymcrashanddie: one of the things I should fix is to find a Wireless Hotspot somewhere instead ;)
18:34.39Anunakinhi! all!
18:34.43mikkov_liri: add .desktop file to /usr/share/applications/hildon
18:35.27roadiesJohnx:  I have to bolt home, got people screaming at me.... talk l8r thanks for the help
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18:46.00GeneralAntillestimeless, I don't think I'm going to bother filing a bug for the About product control panel/
18:46.07GeneralAntillesThat's a change for Fremantle
18:48.14timelesssighs
18:48.16timelessyou really should have
18:48.24timelessanyway, i'm going home
18:48.45GeneralAntillesI mean, I will if you want me to. :P
18:48.50timelessplease
18:49.00GeneralAntillesI just don't thinks it's something that'll change early.
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19:00.29vandenoeverwhat is the most convenient way of doing development for maemo?
19:00.44vandenoeveri've been playing with scratchbox, but it corrupts quite easily
19:00.57vandenoevercould it be a good idea to have a real virtual machine?
19:01.09mgedminthere isn't one
19:01.18mgedminthe least inconvenient way is probably the vmware image
19:01.28mgedminbut I'm not sure there's one with the latest sdk in it
19:01.42mgedminwhat sort of scratchbox corruption do you see?
19:01.50vandenoeverldd crashing
19:01.57mgedminwith what error?
19:01.59vandenoeverapt-get not working anymore
19:02.09mgedminnetwork connection issues?
19:02.13vandenoevermgedmin: segmentation fault
19:02.22vandenoevermgedmin: no, network is fine
19:02.24mgedminooh, segfault
19:02.36vandenoeveryeah, for ldd, that seems pretty serious to me
19:03.08vandenoeveri heard of a guy who does maemo development that he runs scratchbox in a vm to be sure it does not kill his fs
19:03.31vandenoevermaybe hes' paranoid, but i'm a bit unsure about using scratchbox now
19:05.21jottas always, you should know what you do before pressing enter :)
19:06.15jottvandenoever: one easy way is to setup a new target, then backup the target and just restore it later if you need to.
19:06.42dannym*@#! RNDIS (USB networking) kernel module just crashed both in the device _and_ on the host
19:06.56vandenoeverjott: backup means 'tar cjf /home/me/scratchbox.tar.bz2 /scratchbox' ?
19:07.05lcukvandenoever, maybe he uses vmware not because of the corruption from scratchbox itself, but from the corruption of installing and configuring it - the vmware image is all nicely setup and you dont have to mess
19:07.40lcukhi mgedmin :) did you enjoy your holiday
19:07.47jottvandenoever: no, look at /scratchbox/users/$USER/targets
19:07.56mgedminhi lcuk
19:07.57mgedminkinda yeah, especially those days when it wasn't raining
19:08.07lcukthats always a bonus
19:08.17lcukhopes its sunny in berlin
19:08.42lcukjott, we need weather reports every day in the near future :P
19:08.43vandenoeverjott: i'll have to reinstall it first :-)
19:09.31jottvandenoever: you should be able to just setup a new target as it's unlikely that you broke scratchbox itself when you just where inside the pseudo chroot :)
19:10.02jottlcuk: rain, clouds, 13-23C :/
19:10.14vandenoeverjott: ok, i'll look into the target concept
19:10.27lcukwant sun and low-mid 40s ;)
19:10.31vandenoeverit's still 1 month away guys!
19:10.50lcukonly 1 month!
19:11.03lcukhas tonnes to do
19:12.19jottlcuk: berlin is not really in the south, even if you may think so from your location ;)
19:13.08lcukjott i think we are about even
19:13.52jottyeah more or less
19:14.33jottbut as northerner everything must be south :P
19:15.10lcuk\@
19:16.05jottbtw have you found an hotel/hostel?
19:16.09lcukyes
19:16.17lirimikkov_: ahh thanks!
19:16.27lcuki booked it last night and sent my mail to the travel agent re flight just before
19:16.47jottaye where is it?
19:20.34GreyFoxxheh
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19:25.31dannymcrashanddie: yep, works fine :)
19:25.39dannymcrashanddie: I see a loading screen...
19:25.51dannymcrashanddie: and then a big panable area with lots of words
19:27.45lcukjott berlin Stresemannstraße 49, 10963
19:28.03lcukHoliday Inn Express Berlin City Centre - am Ku'Damm
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19:29.33jott"am Ku'Damm" haha very broad definition :)
19:29.45jotti used to live two blocks from there
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19:33.24lcukjott :) cool, how far from c-base then on foot, i know on the map but thats not the same
19:34.08nomiswalking from Kudamm to C-Base is not feasible AFAIK.
19:34.18housetierthat's too far indeed
19:34.39jottit's more or less möckernbrücke/anhalter bahnhof not kudamm but still it's a bit of a walk :)
19:34.39lcukyou dont know how far me and pupnik walked :P
19:34.42housetieryou should the s-bahn to "Jannowitzbrücke"
19:34.52housetieromg anhalter
19:35.05housetierwhen in doubt: take the s-bahn
19:35.16jottmh i guess u-bahn i better from there :P
19:35.31jottnot the best connection to jannowitzbrücke with public transportations :)
19:35.45housetiermaybe not from there
19:36.13jottyep, that's what i meant.
19:36.20housetierhttp://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=114842302533667483625.000435eb6278ce181eb4d&ll=52.512813,13.411367&spn=0.006699,0.021973&t=h&z=16
19:36.26housetierthis link is helpful I guess
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19:38.28jottlcuk: it's about 4km, if you like walking it's ok :)
19:38.45jottbut better hope you get a gps fix :P
19:39.55housetierI wonder if we the coordinates of c-base somewhere on the homepage
19:41.02jottthat link seems good too.
19:42.01jottwasn't there a wiki page for the people arriving? maybe put it there.
19:42.13housetierdoes this look accordingly: gps-data: N52°30.64' E13°25.22' (WGS84)
19:42.21rm_youaww, GeneralAntilles pinged me but it scrolled off <_<
19:42.26housetierjott, the one from the topic you mean?
19:42.39jotthmm i guess so.
19:42.43jottlooks
19:43.01jottnot followed the travel stuff as i don't need to travel :)
19:43.07housetierwikipedia seems to disagree: 52° 30′ 47" N, 13° 25′ 11" O
19:44.30jott52.512898,13.420122
19:44.39jottaccording to google maps :)
19:44.51housetier:)
19:44.53jott+52° 30' 46.43", +13° 25' 12.44"
19:45.06jottyeah wikipedia seems to be right.
19:45.46housetierwe should have had quim find out the coordinates when he was here
19:47.44moontigeris the libmokoui stuff available on os2008 ?
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19:50.41GeneralAntillesrm_you, another control panel applet.
19:50.54GeneralAntillesFor tweaking themes and possible some matchbox settings.
19:52.31flo_lapre
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19:58.32rm_youGeneralAntilles: someone wants us to do it?
19:58.35rm_youlike... you? :P
19:58.43GeneralAntillesYes, me, of course. ;)
19:58.54GeneralAntillesNeither Jaffa__ nor Khertan seem to have the time.
19:59.07GeneralAntillesSince you'll be working on a Control panel applet, ANYWAY. ;)
19:59.10JaffaUnfortunately not :(
19:59.24rm_youlol ok
19:59.26GeneralAntilless/applet,/applet/
19:59.27Jaffawants to finish mud changes before the summit, but hasn't really started on them.
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19:59.30rm_yousend me details in PM or something
19:59.42rm_youI have to run to the bank to pay rent
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20:03.28JaffaGrrr. And now my computer's hung doing NFSey and USBey stuff
20:04.47Jaffa_juan was great. /msg'ed me effectively "a/s/l?". Nice to be wanted
20:05.19GeneralAntillesWelcome to AOL.
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20:18.59lirigoogle reader gives you it's own subscription address which is aggregated no?
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20:19.12RST38hafaik no
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20:21.47liriRST38h: surely there is some way for an rss reader to work with google reader
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20:29.14mgedminliri: opml export & import?
20:29.31mgedminthat'd get you the same subscriptions in both
20:29.40mgedminwouldn't help you keep read/unread status in google reader
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20:35.50lardmanevening chaps
20:36.45GAN800Howdy
20:36.51lardmanHow goes it Ryan?
20:37.31lirimgedmin: I'm new to RSS (surprisingly why...) so what's opml export/import?
20:37.38GAN800Well enough, delaying taking all of the patio furniture out of the pool until this stupid storm figures out where it wants to go to die.
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20:38.23lirimgedmin: google reader also has a notes functionality in style of RSS which is why I'm asking
20:38.35lardmanthe wonders of Florida ;)
20:39.33lcukponders taking the patio furniture out of the muddy puddy at the bottom of his garden
20:39.40lcukpuddle even ffs
20:40.12lardmanyeah, all rain, no (swimming)pools over here
20:40.33lcuktheres a few, but they get closed down when youngsters leave deposits
20:40.51lardmanhmm, thanks for that!
20:41.04lcukjake had to do the walk of shame the other day with the mrs.  he denied it whilst stood around
20:41.30lardmanwonders why Rhythmbox won't play...
20:41.33lcuk"ladies and gentlemen, the pool will be closed until tomorrow"
20:41.41lcuk:'(
20:41.44lardmanah, poor kid
20:41.46GeneralAntillesPools suck
20:41.57GeneralAntillesMostly just a pain in the ass to care for.
20:42.01lardmanunless you've not got one!
20:42.12GeneralAntillesThe idea is to know somebody with a pool
20:42.13lardmansod the pool, give me the sunshine!
20:42.16GeneralAntillesand use their's
20:42.22lardmangood plan
20:42.31GeneralAntillesVery overcast at the moment.
20:42.47lcukwhats the temp there? or don't i want to know
20:42.55GeneralAntilles80s, probably
20:43.21lardmanso warmer than here anyway
20:43.36GeneralAntilleshttp://www.weather.com/weather/local/USFL0438?from=enhsearch_loc
20:43.37lcukthe artic is warmer than here most days
20:44.06lardmanyeah well, you do live up North! ;)
20:44.11GeneralAntillesClouds are keeping the temp down a bit. . . .
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20:44.38lcukis gonna move somewhere else, even people in other countries take the piss out of my northernness
20:45.25lcukwonders how much complainin hes gonna get by turnin the wii off and sending the kids to bed..
20:45.39GeneralAntillesHehe, Wii.
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20:47.47lardman_rubbish internet connection
20:47.54GeneralAntillesThe nice thing about earthquakes and tornadoes is that you don't know they're coming.
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20:48.01GeneralAntillesHurricanes are too much damn stress.
20:48.18RaytrayDon't watch the news.
20:48.33bef0rdThat won't stop the hurricanes
20:48.43RaytrayHe wouldn't know they're coming then
20:49.07lardman_ah, but I bet the weather plugin for maemo mapper would tell him :)
20:49.39GeneralAntilles"If it goes out into the Gulf and builds up, am I gonna have to put plywood up on the 70-odd windows on the house?"
20:49.49RaytrayLeavethe plywood up?
20:49.54GeneralAntilleslol
20:50.21GeneralAntillesI'm not even sure I could scrounge up the help to get them put up in the first place.
20:50.39GeneralAntillesdoesn't remember the last time they had to go up fondly.
20:50.46GeneralAntillesHey, at least they're all pre-cut now.
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20:51.34lardman_have fewer windows :p
20:51.37lardman_;)
20:51.42lcukinstall linux
20:51.43GeneralAntillesYeah, there's one plan.
20:52.17lcukwell that was less stressful than i figured it would be
20:52.29GeneralAntillesHehe
20:52.47GeneralAntillesI've got Microsoft's new plan for getting kids to hate Linux at a young age
20:52.51florianre
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20:53.18GeneralAntillesShip homebrew kits to parents to use to stop them using their Wiis whenever the kids are bad.
20:53.33GeneralAntillesThey'll quickly learn to hate Tux.
20:53.37lcuki keep threatening to install linux on the eldests' DS
20:54.01GeneralAntillesHaha
20:54.04lcukhe has a fit and wont let me near his stuff.  when he got guitar hero i threatened him with similar ;)
20:54.07GeneralAntillesBad person, lcuk.
20:54.18GeneralAntillesYou should save that as a reward if he's good. :P
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20:54.39lcukthe thing is, he used to have a ubuntu desktop and never once complained
20:56.47lcukGeneralAntilles, the 770 was shipped with a standalone clip together stand wasnt it
20:56.50GeneralAntillesSomebody needs to write a "Developing on device" wiki article already.
20:57.01GeneralAntilleslcuk, it was the shittiest thing you can imagine
20:57.08GeneralAntillesIf you tapped the screen offcenter it would fall off.
20:57.10lcukyes, i suppose someone does really
20:57.18lcuklooks around
20:57.51lcukim just thinking i need something similar but bigger for my cradle
20:58.21GeneralAntillesTo act as a stand for the cradle?
20:58.26lcukyer
20:58.46GeneralAntillesWell, uh, they sell stands for hardcover books that might work.
20:59.15lcuki might just make another cradle to sit the current cradle in
20:59.53GeneralAntillesI don't seem them online, but you should be able to find them in bookshops.
21:00.28GeneralAntillesI don't want to try to figure out Scratchbox under PPC/OS X
21:00.37GeneralAntillesAt least I know compiling on device works. ;)
21:01.08fred:|
21:01.19lcukcompiling does, but its not automatic and incomplete for custom projects
21:01.36moontigerGA: so you dont have a linux box?
21:01.46lcukthe lack of "configure" support brings most downloaded projects to a fullstop
21:01.52GeneralAntillesmoontiger, unless you count my tablets.
21:02.09moontigerwell of course... excepting them i meant
21:02.13lcukcan we count all of them? we only have 32bit calculators
21:02.19rm_youGeneralAntilles: maybe I could set you up on my buildbox <_<
21:02.28GeneralAntillesrm_you, nah, not that important.
21:02.40GeneralAntillesIt's easier just to con other people into doing my compiling for me. ;)
21:02.53GeneralAntillespokes Navi with a stick.
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21:02.56moontigerim finding developing under plain gtk on the desktop then porting works well for me
21:03.17lcukmoontiger, same goes for sdl (with a few slowdowns)
21:03.41GeneralAntillesI might dual-boot Linux on my G5 if it didn't turn into a jet taking off in Linux.
21:03.52fredfinds developing under plain qt on the desktop then plain recompiling (+ ui changes) works well :)
21:04.13moontigerlcuk, yah i cant imagine developing on the tablet is very much fun for anything more than a few changes
21:04.30moontigerfred, i hear yah
21:04.35lcukmoontiger, i do 100% of dev compiling and running on the tablet
21:04.42fredneeds to do more UI changes though :(
21:05.01lcuki edit files using komodo edit in windows, or same in linux etc
21:05.20lcukwhen im out and about though, i can hack away (with pygtkeditor) and make things and tweak and recompile
21:05.20GeneralAntillesGood compatibility with desktop toolkits is one of the tablet's biggest strengths, but also its biggest weakness. . . .
21:05.20fredhttp://files.fredemmott.co.uk/yanihp-n810.jpg - not exactly finger-friendly :p
21:05.23moontigeri was going to look at komodo ... is it worth it?
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21:05.58lcukive got it configured to write c code - the editor is nice and fast and its styled to look and feel like visual basic classic code editor
21:06.03moontigerfred, hehe wossit?
21:06.21moontigershudders at the mention of vb ;)
21:06.24lcukmoontiger, its an editor though, its not a full ide - i use console to build
21:07.08moontigerlcuk, i use anjuta for c/c++ stuff ... geany for php web ... and now (god help me) gedit for python
21:07.08bef0rdthe editor is free, right?
21:07.08fredmoontiger: older full size screenshot: http://files.fredemmott.co.uk/yanihp-info-on-right.png
21:07.10lcuki wont try to change your mind, but vb can do everything any other language can, its just syntax
21:07.22lcukbeford yes
21:08.07moontigerlcuk, i find it like coding with mittens on compared to c++
21:08.17lcuki treat vb like methadone
21:08.21moontigerfred, ok cool ... nice track btw ;)
21:08.28lcukwhich is why im very happy to be back in c
21:08.35lcukmicrosoft c is horrid
21:08.42moontigerlcuk, yah ... im liking python but its kinda vb-ish
21:08.48lcukcoding for windows turned me off it and thats when i found vb
21:09.43moontigerlcuk, i used to write trading systems for windows and you couldnt talk to the reuters feeds via vb back then
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21:09.53mgedminvb turned me off
21:09.55fredmanaged to write some fairly advanced stuff in VB without learning what the difference between a module and a class module was... in 3 years.
21:09.59mgedminbut then I had found delphi first
21:10.00fredhangs head in shame
21:10.09mgedminbefore it became too buggy to be useful
21:10.13moontigerits ok fred ... we all understand :)
21:10.17jottfred: is it possible to change the collection path with yanihp? it seems to lack a menu :)
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21:10.24lcukmoontiger, having activex access meant you could talk to anyone and anything - it actually made sense on the desktop
21:10.41moontigeryah but the reuters stuff didnt have any activex controls
21:10.44fredjott: erm, yeah, it does :p you get asked on first run - otherwise, there's the config file
21:11.08jottfred: ok so it's config file :)
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21:11.16fredkeeps on meaning to add menus + settings page, but doesn't seem to ever get around to it
21:11.21lcukwithout knowing specifics i cant comment, but ive not had a problem personally where its not been solvable by code or library
21:11.47moontigerlcuk, i have great respect for vb coders ... i saw some amazing stuff written in it ... i just alwats preferred the c syntax
21:11.51lcukfred, i know that feeling, im moving to a brain database right now and pondering things
21:11.55moontigeralways too
21:11.57lcukas do i
21:12.25lcukhence me being here now coding back in c and loving every minute of it :)
21:12.30moontigerim almost done with my first maemo app ... couple more days and i'll be ready to package it ... that should be fun to figure out
21:12.31moontiger:)
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21:12.49jottfred: ah and why are the cover arts fetched from last.fm instead of using embedded or local one?! :O
21:13.03jottsame for lyrics :)
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21:14.10jottnever admit you are in charge of an incomplete project or you will be bombarded with feature requests :>
21:14.40lcukor an incomplete os
21:15.14dghenkeSo it would be a bad idea for me to mention I'm sending this from BitchX on my n810?
21:16.02jottlcuk: still thinking about liqos? ;)
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21:16.38lcukwell jott, if i *can* get the editor off the ground i can start self compiling
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21:17.31lcukOMG, maemo had a virus
21:18.15lcukill b back laterish
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21:21.00fredjott: coverart is currently cached, and looks at amazon, musicbrainz, and last.fm
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21:21.10fredplan to look at folder.{jpg,png} and tags, not got around to it
21:21.16fredwasn't aware there was a lyrics tag though
21:21.25jottfred: yep, there are multiple lyrics tags :)
21:21.32fredoh dear.
21:21.37jottmy collection has both album art and lyrics for nearly all songs :)
21:22.03jottotherwise i think it looks nice.
21:22.14jott(only tested on the desktop for now)
21:23.20fredjott: got a link to some documentation on lyrics tags in different containers? (or just a list off the top of your head)
21:23.58jotthttp://www.id3.org/Lyrics3v2 and the other id3.org stuff :)
21:24.11jottoh lyrics3v2 hmm that's new :)
21:24.28fredoh dear
21:24.33fredharbours a hatred for id3
21:24.36jottfred: http://www.id3.org/id3v2.3.0#head-e76d4fb26268baf285bff899581cc284427a2789
21:24.46jottUSLT/SYLT
21:25.42fredhugs xiph comments for being a format that's actually sane to work with
21:25.46jotti think those are the most common ones. afair itunes uses USLT
21:25.53jotthehe
21:26.07jottyeah id3 is somewhat grown from the wrong seed :)
21:26.15derfThere's also CMML/Annodex.
21:27.07crashanddiedannym, awesome, thanks
21:30.43jotthaha but this Lyrics3v2 really shows how broken id3 is :)
21:35.11fredwtf...
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21:35.15fredspots APIC type 11
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21:36.31fredhttp://www.id3.org/id3v2.3.0#head-70a65d30522ef0d37642224c2a40517ae35b7155
21:36.42jottyep
21:37.02jottthat's the one commonly used.
21:37.07jottwtf
21:37.09jottarg
21:37.27fredI assume that type $03 is the common one :p
21:37.34jotthehe
21:37.45jottyes
21:38.05lcukindividually the letters work
21:38.48jottThe ID3v2 standard may suck, but bright coloured fish seem to be the redeeming value of this standard.
21:38.56jottfirst google hit :)
21:39.54jottshould tag his mp3s with the proper fishes
21:40.51fred21:39 < Faux> fred: Clearly a nod at Xiph. :p
21:40.52fred:p
21:41.09jotthehe
21:41.26jottyeah probably
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21:41.34fredresists urge to make a few 'MP3s' with no MP3 audio but with ogg/vorbis embedded in APIC $11
21:46.40dannymcrashanddie: you're welcome :)
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21:49.26polyonymousHey guys, I'm trying to install the maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org thingie, which tries to grab stuff from maemo.research.nokia.com, which doesn't quite exist. Do you know a solution to the problem?
21:49.48lbtref deblet and just general interest... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08/20/freerunner_debian/
21:51.35lbtpolyonymous: you know you're going for a bleeding edge sdk right?
21:52.24lbtfor a productive sdk go here: http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo-4-1-diablo-sdk/
21:53.07lbtor let us know how it works out :) I dropped sdk+ a couple of months back...
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21:54.43moontigerguys... how often would you want a calendar app to auto-refresh?
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21:56.21lbtmoontiger: just before it needs to
21:56.35moontigerlaughs
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21:56.54polyonymouslbt, of course I do ;-)
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21:57.14lbtthink about it... especially with alarms etc.... updates often arrive more frequently near events
21:57.31polyonymouslbt, I've tried the production one, it works, now it's time to try bleeding edge, isn't it? :)
21:57.34lbtpolyonymous: just in case - I can't tell if you're a noob or just nuts...
21:57.48lbtit worked very nicely for me for a while
21:57.49polyonymouslbt, the latter :)
21:58.05lbtthen it started playing silly buggers with LD_PRELOAD
21:58.08lbtand died
21:58.20lbtI haven't got round to trying again yet...
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21:58.37polyonymousI don't mind it dying. But you see - you've tried it, and so I want to :)
22:00.18pupnikwoo i may be able to make it to berlin
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22:00.30lbthttp://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=214480
22:00.46dannymsleeep...
22:00.53lbtpolyonymous: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32
22:01.16lbtpolyonymous:google-foo--
22:01.47lbtalso suggests you're using a v.old source
22:01.59lbtanyhow I'm off -- good luck
22:02.08polyonymouslbt, thanks
22:02.08moontigerlbt, maybe i didnt put that very well ... in terms of fetching your stuff from say google calendar ... what update interval would be often enough?
22:02.17polyonymousActually, I'm off for today myself :)
22:02.18moontigeroh doh!
22:02.23lbtmoontiger: I knew what you meant
22:02.24moontigerlaterz
22:02.28lbtI guess 15 mins
22:02.30lbtbut be clever
22:02.36moontigeri am ;)
22:02.47lbtso adapt the timing near events
22:02.59lbtfor those last minute change of venues
22:03.00lbtetc
22:03.02moontigerhmmmmmmmmm... in case they change you mean?
22:03.07moontigerright
22:03.10moontigernice idea :)
22:03.12moontigerthnx
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22:03.33lbtalso, if nothing happens, lighten the load in quiet times
22:03.42lbtbattery life
22:03.42moontigerright
22:03.49moontigerthere is a manual refresh option too
22:03.52lbtcron is so last week
22:03.56lbtand the week before ;)
22:04.00lbt'night all
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22:04.36GeneralAntillespupnik, you gonna do a session?
22:04.41polyonymousnight
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22:33.56cbx33hey guys
22:33.59cbx33just updated to diablo
22:34.02cbx33and now it won't let me install the updates
22:34.05cbx33any ideas why?
22:34.15cbx33unable to update browser-neteal
22:34.37cbx33and it dos it fo alot of the packages
22:36.27cbx33any ideas?
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22:41.04yacoobHello there :) Is there a way to get rid of presence icon in the upper right corner?
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22:43.27cbx33hmmm
22:43.36cbx33none of my catalogs say diablo
22:43.38cbx33should they?
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22:44.09bef0rdyacoob, disabling all accounts I believe
22:44.46yacoobcbx33, if I'm not mistaken, if you don't specify anything, app manager will use current distro name
22:44.50bef0rdyacoob, or in the control panel
22:44.53bef0rdchecks
22:45.08yacoobbef0rd, doesn't seem to be an option to hide the icon, just default status and time to away
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22:45.39bef0rdyea, just checked, presence can't be disabled
22:45.40bef0rd:/
22:47.56cbx33well i can't update
22:48.00cbx33I'm sure that must be it
22:48.11cbx33maybe I'll restore from backup but ignore my appliation list
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22:55.35yacoobsadly, pidgin sucks even more than built in chat. Oh well.
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23:06.21MangoFusionyacoob: i second that
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23:13.59cbx333hey all
23:14.23bef0rdhi
23:14.24cbx333anyone have a stock sources file??? for diablo??
23:14.47cbx333when i restroe my backup it overwrites it
23:15.05cbx333even if i untick application list
23:15.35lardmanyacoob: but you can add presence plugin
23:15.49lardmanyacoob: though it seems to kill the battery (Pidgin)
23:16.03lardmananyway, night all
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23:33.25AStormwhy oh WHY doesn't n810 have the GPS from N82
23:34.08AStormalso a question - is it possible to hack BP-6M supporting phone to use BP-6L?
23:34.16AStorm(the same n810 does)
23:34.23AStormwait, I'm wrong
23:34.26AStormBP-5L
23:34.53glassare the sizes about the same?
23:35.04AStormno
23:35.14AStormok, it's impossible
23:35.22AStormthe fresh BP-6M is smaller and 1050 mAh
23:36.01AStormit's like 2/3 of BP-5L ;P
23:36.11AStormeven in size
23:42.13AStormwell, it still uses the same old small Nokia plug...
23:42.37AStormwhich means my designer phone battery adapter will work :P
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23:46.06derfAStorm: N82 uses AGPS (Assisted GPS), so it's using information from the cell network that the N810 doesn't have.
23:47.43AStormwell
23:47.53AStormcan it make that info available over Bluetooth?
23:47.54AStorm;P
23:48.40mgedminagps rules
23:48.45AStormindeed
23:48.49glassisn't there some app for s60(either native or j2me) that makes the phone act as a bt gps?
23:48.59mgedminbut IT DOES NOT WORK when you need it: i.e. when you're abroad
23:49.09mgedminand there's no open wifi around you
23:49.18mgedminand no gprs/edge/3g data connection
23:49.20glassmgedmin: works but it's horribly expensive usually..
23:49.31AStormmgedmin: well, 90s GPS lock time of my n810 is cool enough
23:49.53AStormat worst it's 180s
23:50.13mgedminmeh, move halfway across the globe and try again
23:50.18AStorm(weird, as it should get correct almanac in much shorter time)
23:50.26AStormmgedmin: ... it's 30s residential
23:50.34AStormthanks to those nice maemo mapper updates
23:50.54AStormalthough agps is more precise obviously
23:51.26AStormhot lock is fast too
23:51.44AStormthe thing I need is a good app, like, ARM version of AutoMapa ;P
23:52.17mgedminokay, what's this "residential" thing and should I update my maemo-mapper?
23:52.18AStormor some nice hack to make maemo mapper voice-guide
23:52.40AStormmgedmin: it means if the time and position matches well enough, the fix is much faster
23:53.20mgedminwaah I want zeroconf/mdns/avahi on my n810
23:53.41mgedminI have my laptop and the n810 in the same (foreign) wlan, and I want to ssh to it by name, not by ip
23:54.21AStormuhm, add your own DNS server?
23:54.45mgedminby "foreign" I was trying to say "the wifi of the hotel I'm currently staying at that I cannot really reconfigure"
23:54.51mgedminpoorly-chosen word, that "foreign"
23:55.18AStormahh well
23:55.22AStorm/etc/hosts, use it
23:55.34mgedminip, dynamic, hard to figure out
23:55.48mgedminI suppose I should give up and install that home applet
23:55.49AStorms/dynamic/use dyndns/
23:55.57mgedminwow, cool
23:55.58AStormah, you mean the IP of the device
23:56.09mgedminassuming dyndns works for internal IPs
23:56.21AStormit does detect them
23:56.42AStormsets your dns to external ip
23:56.54AStormalthough I guess you could force it
23:57.36mgedminhm weird, I can't ping it by ip
23:57.46mgedmineven though I'm in the same lan
23:57.52mgedminfirewall?
23:58.05mgedminthat would make my zeroconf wishes moot
23:58.31AStormpings are disabled maybe?
23:58.39AStormtry tcpping or sth
23:58.46mgedminssh also worketh not

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