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| 20:34.46 | *** topic/#maemo is http://maemo.org | Maemo Summit: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | logs at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ | http://mxr.maemo.org | https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint4 logs http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/ |
| 20:36.23 | Khertan_n810 | rahh !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 20:38.11 | jott | hands Khertan_n810 a stress ball |
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| 20:39.37 | Khertan_n810 | say that the osso.alarmd documentation will be more stressfree |
| 20:41.01 | GAN800 | Only if you know the secret password. |
| 20:42.05 | Khertan_n810 | hildonwindowbordersuck |
| 20:42.16 | Khertan_n810 | i ve the right one ? |
| 20:42.28 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 20:42.37 | GAN800 | Nay |
| 20:43.04 | Khertan_n810 | iphonesucks ? |
| 20:43.24 | Khertan_n810 | maybe ittisfunnytoread ? |
| 20:43.30 | Khertan_n810 | or ... |
| 20:43.31 | MangoFusion | i never noticed the window border until somebody mentioned it today. thanks |
| 20:43.42 | MangoFusion | now i'm going to try and ignore it. |
| 20:43.46 | MangoFusion | must..ignore...border |
| 20:43.57 | Khertan_n810 | mCalendarIsTheBestApp |
| 20:43.57 | MangoFusion | resist...temptation...to...notice...it |
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| 20:44.09 | Khertan_n810 | lol mangofusion |
| 20:44.17 | Khertan_n810 | bit you can remove it :) |
| 20:44.31 | MangoFusion | really though i bet i'm loosing a good deal of web viewing space from that |
| 20:44.33 | Khertan_n810 | s/bit/but |
| 20:44.52 | Khertan_n810 | u must edit gtkrc of your theme |
| 20:45.08 | Khertan_n810 | and look for osso-window-background style |
| 20:45.31 | jott | great, now garage rejects the key again. |
| 20:45.47 | MangoFusion | make me an app that has a big button in called "Remove that darn window border" |
| 20:45.50 | MangoFusion | and i'll be fine ;) |
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| 20:46.07 | MangoFusion | (it has to remove the window border or course though) |
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| 20:46.36 | jott | this border is broken by design. |
| 20:47.01 | jott | makes one want to puke on the one who did it :p |
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| 20:53.49 | jott | zap: could you add something like if [ -z "$DISPLAY" ]; then maemo-select-menu-location...; fi to the mc.postinst please? |
| 20:54.18 | jott | (to make it installable in a sbox without X) |
| 20:54.38 | jott | erm not -z |
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| 20:55.29 | jott | -n or something |
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| 20:58.28 | Khertan_n810 | jott> postinst that require user is really a bad thing ! |
| 21:00.10 | jott | Khertan_n810: there are loads of maemo apps that do.. esp. the maemo-select-menu-location |
| 21:00.32 | crashanddie | Khertan_n810, you got yourself that crappy ">" again ? Djeezus |
| 21:01.07 | Khertan_n810 | crashanddie ... yep a wrong brain setting now |
| 21:01.22 | jott | anyway, a console app should atleast be installable on a console system :) |
| 21:01.26 | Khertan_n810 | as i can t made nick completion working on xchat on maemo |
| 21:02.33 | GAN800 | lol? |
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| 21:05.14 | lcuk | remembers the [tab] conversation with khertan about pygtkeditor |
| 21:05.43 | Khertan_n810 | hehe |
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| 21:06.00 | Khertan_n810 | but it work on pygtkeditor |
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| 21:06.08 | lcuk | it does now |
| 21:06.22 | lcuk | (thank you) |
| 21:06.43 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
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| 21:13.30 | Jaffa | Khertan_n810: interesting post about the noBounds' lab being closed. |
| 21:13.50 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 21:13.58 | lcuk | huh? |
| 21:14.03 | lcuk | link please? |
| 21:18.35 | Khertan_n810 | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Nokia-Closes-Bochum-but-Opens-Cluj-Factory-76274.shtml |
| 21:19.26 | GeneralAntilles | What's the word on the council at this point, Jaffa? |
| 21:19.37 | GeneralAntilles | Anything that needs to be pushed before the start of elections? |
| 21:19.46 | GeneralAntilles | Have you announced your cadidacy? :P |
| 21:19.57 | GeneralAntilles | s/cadidacy/candidacy/ |
| 21:21.31 | lcuk | Khertan, mmm interesting |
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| 21:26.11 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: No and no :) |
| 21:27.11 | Jaffa | was swamped at work last week. Will work on a pitch tomorrow, can't have fewer than 5 candidates. Need to see some posts on p.m.o/ITT etc. I don't think enough people subscribe to -community yet. |
| 21:30.21 | GeneralAntilles | Some people seem adverse to the idea of subscribing for some reason. . . . ;) |
| 21:30.29 | GeneralAntilles | pokes RST38h with a sharp stick. |
| 21:32.00 | GeneralAntilles | lardman|gone needs to post his announcement, too. |
| 21:32.06 | GeneralAntilles | and, hopefully, milhouse. |
| 21:32.22 | Jaffa | aye, then at least one person loses :) |
| 21:32.39 | Jaffa | also considered not standing, having seen the quality of the people announcing so far. |
| 21:33.03 | Jaffa | hopes someone not standing would do interviews etc., but that might be a little excessive in the first one :) |
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| 21:35.09 | GeneralAntilles | favors people he interacts with regularly. |
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| 21:40.40 | Jaffa | Anyone know of anything a bit like Google Docs but for code? Almost like slexy or pastebin but with some editey features |
| 21:41.04 | lcuk | vi? emacs? |
| 21:42.26 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 21:42.58 | Jaffa | lcuk: my box is going offline tomorrow morning for an upgrade :-) |
| 21:43.04 | Jaffa | Hmm, I 'spose I've got the home box |
| 21:43.21 | Jaffa | g'night |
| 21:43.25 | jott | Jaffa: gobby? |
| 21:43.30 | lcuk | jaffa, think inside the box :) see what it would take to code on your nokia |
| 21:43.39 | lcuk | just as an academic process |
| 21:43.49 | lcuk | gnite anyway |
| 21:43.59 | Jaffa | lcuk: Oh, it's got Perl and Subversion already on it, and this is a Perl script to do some svn tomfoolery :) |
| 21:44.01 | t_s_o | hmm, the N800 makes use of a standard nokia charger, yes? |
| 21:44.16 | Jaffa | t_s_o: a standard *modern* Nokia charger (2mm plug) |
| 21:45.09 | t_s_o | heh, the one i have here (bought my N800 used so i dont know if its normal) have a converter on it to fit the tablet |
| 21:45.46 | lcuk | no tso, but i have a similar converter for the AA emergency charger I have |
| 21:46.19 | t_s_o | ok |
| 21:46.43 | t_s_o | well i guess ill see if the usb to phone set i ordered have both kinds of nokia tips ;) |
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| 22:12.43 | practisevoodoo | anyone know where i can get hold of ncurses-base for diablo? |
| 22:12.54 | practisevoodoo | ive tried this http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers@maemo.org/msg13489.html |
| 22:12.57 | practisevoodoo | but no luck |
| 22:14.31 | jott | practisevoodoo: it's in sdk/free and tools/free |
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| 22:15.45 | practisevoodoo | this one? http://maemo.org/development/tools/ |
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| 22:17.47 | zap | practisevoodoo: you need the terminfo database? |
| 22:18.06 | practisevoodoo | err, maybe? what is it? |
| 22:18.27 | zap | /usr/share/terminfo/* |
| 22:18.36 | zap | the terminal definition database |
| 22:19.23 | jott | zap: did you get my msg about mc? :) |
| 22:19.28 | zap | no |
| 22:19.34 | zap | when you wrote it? |
| 22:19.40 | jott | couple of hours ago. |
| 22:19.51 | jott | zap: could you add something like if [ -n "$DISPLAY" ]; then maemo-select-menu-location...; fi to the mc.postinst please? |
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| 22:20.04 | zap | ok |
| 22:20.12 | jott | great, thanks. |
| 22:20.28 | zap | how you got without DISPLAY? |
| 22:20.35 | jott | scratchbox |
| 22:20.41 | zap | aha |
| 22:20.42 | zap | indeed :) |
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| 22:20.50 | zap | I just leave mc unconfigured, and it works fine :) |
| 22:21.12 | jott | hehe it wines about exit 1 in postinst :p |
| 22:23.10 | zap | but that won't work |
| 22:23.18 | zap | I have DISPLAY=:2 in my scratchbox |
| 22:23.31 | jott | mh. |
| 22:23.36 | jott | its empty here |
| 22:23.39 | zap | better to check for some env var specific for sb |
| 22:23.47 | zap | its empty for you, but I set it |
| 22:23.57 | zap | for Xnest |
| 22:24.07 | zap | mmh |
| 22:24.11 | jott | yep, i just set it manually from time to time. |
| 22:24.16 | jott | but detecting sbox would also be ok. |
| 22:24.25 | zap | does osso-af-init.sh set it to :2? |
| 22:24.33 | zap | I don't remember now why I set it... |
| 22:25.09 | jott | i think you have to set it manually (or in .bashrc or what ever) |
| 22:25.26 | zap | test -L /scratchbox maybe? |
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| 22:26.03 | jott | mh yeah, should work. i wonder if there is a "proper" way. |
| 22:26.21 | zap | or $SBOX_TARGET_NAME |
| 22:26.35 | jott | http://lists.scratchbox.org/pipermail/scratchbox-users/2008-June/001260.html :) |
| 22:26.43 | jott | yeah. |
| 22:27.08 | jott | hmm how comes i don't have SBOX_TARGET_NAME ? |
| 22:27.19 | zap | strange |
| 22:27.26 | zap | it's set when you select a target |
| 22:28.10 | jott | if [ -e /targets/links/scratchbox.config ] ; then ... |
| 22:28.13 | zap | do a env|grep SBOX_ |
| 22:28.24 | jott | yeah. |
| 22:28.30 | zap | and? |
| 22:28.55 | jott | both things in proposed in the mail should be fine i guess. |
| 22:29.07 | zap | I like env vars better |
| 22:29.18 | zap | but I'm worried you said you don't have SBOX_TARGET_NAME? |
| 22:29.22 | jott | then do it this way :) |
| 22:29.42 | jott | nope... |
| 22:29.44 | jott | hmm |
| 22:29.48 | zap | weird |
| 22:30.01 | zap | ok then, I'll check for -e /scratchbox |
| 22:30.23 | jott | indeed weird. |
| 22:30.23 | zap | this will work for Ubuntu as well :) |
| 22:30.31 | zap | (if you have sb installed) |
| 22:31.11 | jott | hehe indeed. i use your mc under ubuntu ;) |
| 22:31.23 | jott | where is it from? |
| 22:31.45 | jott | i like the free disk space in the panels :) |
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| 22:33.40 | mikkov_ | totally screwed package :( https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/pyrdesktop_1.3.0-2/i386.build.log.OK.txt |
| 22:34.36 | jott | :/ |
| 22:34.53 | mikkov_ | where was that automatic tester? |
| 22:36.01 | zap | jott: it's the Fedora 9 mc plus a colorizer patch I found on a russian forum, which I almost completely rewrote |
| 22:37.14 | zap | there's a bug I don't like - the cursor is invisible when on a tab in editor |
| 22:37.52 | jott | is it?! seems fine here..hmm |
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| 22:39.31 | zap | jott: open a editor, enter a tab (ctrl+q, <tab>) and then press the right arrow |
| 22:39.53 | zap | this is an annoying bug, I must fix it sometimes |
| 22:40.15 | zap | oops, the left arrow, not right |
| 22:40.24 | jott | i see it here :O |
| 22:40.35 | zap | text console or xterm? |
| 22:40.54 | zap | that's strange since for me it behaves identically in Fedora 9 and Ubuntu |
| 22:41.01 | zap | and on IT |
| 22:42.08 | jott | zap: konsole on the desktop. |
| 22:42.16 | jott | but you are right on the device it's invisible. |
| 22:42.52 | zap | hmm, I don't use konsole |
| 22:43.03 | zap | I think the guy that made that patch uses konsole as well |
| 22:43.33 | zap | indeed, in konsole it's visible |
| 22:43.50 | jott | zap: also in urxvt and xterm. |
| 22:43.53 | jott | strange |
| 22:44.03 | jott | (but the cursor color is different there) |
| 22:44.56 | zap | seems that it hits a bug in libvte then |
| 22:46.24 | jott | indeed, just installed gnome-terminal and there it vanishes. |
| 22:46.50 | zap | osso-xterm and gnome-terminal uses same backend library - libvte |
| 22:47.56 | jott | yep |
| 22:48.02 | jott | but different versions :) |
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| 22:48.28 | jott | the libvte on the device can't even handle "bright black" |
| 22:48.31 | zap | hmm, can you disable bold text in konsole? |
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| 22:49.30 | jott | hm can't see an option for it. |
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| 22:49.39 | zap | how you live with a bold mc? :) |
| 22:50.11 | jott | you mean bold as in font weight? |
| 22:50.17 | zap | yes |
| 22:50.23 | jott | i use terminus bold :) |
| 22:50.26 | zap | colors 8-15 are bold |
| 22:50.30 | jott | so everything is bold :) |
| 22:50.42 | zap | aha, so konsole just can't boldify your font |
| 22:50.56 | zap | since it's bitmap |
| 22:50.58 | jott | yes. |
| 22:51.03 | zap | sucks |
| 22:51.19 | jott | i'm fine with it. it think color is enough "bold" for me :) |
| 22:52.01 | zap | exactly, but konsole makes high-intensity colors use bold fonts when I use a ttf font |
| 22:55.37 | jott | zap: ah you can change it in the color schema defintion. |
| 22:55.42 | jott | for each color |
| 22:56.03 | jott | the "linux color" profile does not use bold at all |
| 22:56.41 | zap | I don't see a difference |
| 22:57.20 | jott | go to settings -> configure konsole -> schema and untick "Bold" for every color :) |
| 22:57.42 | zap | kdebase-4.0.5-5.fc9.x86_64 |
| 22:57.48 | zap | you have kde 4 or 3? |
| 22:58.02 | jott | ok |
| 22:58.04 | jott | ah i still use konsole from kde 3 |
| 22:58.26 | zap | there's no "Bold" tick there in konsole4 :( |
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| 22:58.59 | jott | this sucks :( |
| 22:59.57 | jott | anyway, you can close your mc bug as WONTFIX :P |
| 22:59.59 | zap | meh, every terminal has it's own glitches :) |
| 23:00.46 | zap | I believe cursor is not visible because background color == foreground color there |
| 23:00.57 | zap | just different intensities (background low intensity) |
| 23:01.09 | zap | so libvte chooses a bad cursor color |
| 23:01.13 | zap | mc |
| 23:01.17 | zap | oops) |
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