| 00:00.29 | GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3567 |
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| 00:03.42 | Guest25897 | sure installing some stuff right now, give me a minute |
| 00:04.53 | GeneralAntilles | Guest25897, you'd need 4.2008.30-2 |
| 00:05.06 | GeneralAntilles | But thanks for offering. :) |
| 00:05.32 | Guest25897 | heh woops I just saw 2008 and kept goin... |
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| 00:06.48 | Guest25897 | hmm do you know of any problems with maemo-mapper on 2008he? It can't find my gps |
| 00:07.28 | GeneralAntilles | None that I know of. |
| 00:07.38 | GeneralAntilles | It worked fine here last time I checked. |
| 00:08.03 | Guest25897 | it sat spinning for a good 10 minutes looking for my bluetooth gps |
| 00:08.20 | GeneralAntilles | Is the MAC in there and such? |
| 00:08.26 | Guest25897 | nope |
| 00:08.31 | Guest25897 | never showed up |
| 00:08.48 | GeneralAntilles | Tap Scan...? |
| 00:08.55 | Guest25897 | LOL |
| 00:09.08 | GeneralAntilles | and Bluetooth is turned on, right? |
| 00:09.13 | Guest25897 | yea I did ... thats where it was spinning |
| 00:09.32 | Guest25897 | GeneralAntilles: Just restarted, I am going to kick myself if it wasn't... |
| 00:09.43 | crashanddie | cheers GeneralAntilles :) Rotation is nice :) |
| 00:09.54 | GeneralAntilles | Especially with adv-backlight. ;) |
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| 00:10.22 | crashanddie | I thought it'd be more sluggish |
| 00:10.30 | GeneralAntilles | Nah, hardware rotation |
| 00:10.39 | GeneralAntilles | No performance hit |
| 00:10.44 | Guest25897 | oooh |
| 00:10.56 | Guest25897 | that wouldn't work on the 770 right? |
| 00:11.11 | GeneralAntilles | It's so nice, in fact, that you should go here and expound on its virtues. :P http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/advanced-backlight/ |
| 00:11.20 | GeneralAntilles | Guest25897, 770 has support, too |
| 00:11.30 | GeneralAntilles | But the last package set I saw was for OS2005 |
| 00:11.31 | crashanddie | panning a webpage in 90 degree view does show a few artefacts, though |
| 00:11.40 | Guest25897 | heh, so same instructions as that link you posted a while back? |
| 00:11.46 | GeneralAntilles | I don't know if anybody has patched and packaged anything more recent for the 770. |
| 00:12.20 | GeneralAntilles | still can't get over more than 23,000 downloads. |
| 00:12.22 | crashanddie | sometimes I feel so sorry for 770 users |
| 00:12.40 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I sometimes feel sorry for 386 users too. :P |
| 00:12.45 | crashanddie | it's like, they're almost able to do everything n8x0 users |
| 00:12.51 | Guest25897 | GeneralAntilles: don't, I paid $80 for mine a year ago, it was well worth it |
| 00:12.54 | crashanddie | but nobody bothered to make it easy |
| 00:13.08 | GeneralAntilles | People develop for what they have |
| 00:13.22 | GeneralAntilles | Most developers either don't have a 770 or don't have time to focus on legacy support. |
| 00:13.24 | crashanddie | yeah I know, I'm not making a case for them |
| 00:13.33 | crashanddie | it's just, a bit sad, sometimes |
| 00:13.40 | GeneralAntilles | Cruel |
| 00:13.46 | Guest25897 | I plan on doing a good bit of development work to have my 770 interface via bluetooth with a robotics project I am working on this year |
| 00:13.47 | GeneralAntilles | It's actually a big conspiracy |
| 00:13.55 | GeneralAntilles | We're all laughing quietly at them behind our hands. ;) |
| 00:14.06 | crashanddie | it's like, everywhere, we've hung posters with "technically, it could be done. But frankly, you should get yourself something up to date, you cheap bastard" |
| 00:14.16 | GeneralAntilles | Hahaha |
| 00:14.20 | GeneralAntilles | That's exactly it. |
| 00:14.34 | Guest25897 | btw I am an idiot, bluetooth was off |
| 00:14.49 | GeneralAntilles | Maemo Mapper isn't super-smart about stuff like that |
| 00:14.54 | trev0r | you idiot |
| 00:15.02 | GeneralAntilles | It'll happily chug along and never tell you. ;) |
| 00:15.09 | crashanddie | you're called trev0r, you're not allowed to insult people |
| 00:15.49 | trev0r | what about my name? |
| 00:16.08 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, bring out the lame meter! |
| 00:16.23 | crashanddie | ~nickometer trev0r |
| 00:16.28 | crashanddie | OUCH |
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| 00:16.50 | trev0r | nice |
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| 00:18.00 | trev0r | who do you tell mapper to download maps for say an entire state? |
| 00:18.11 | trev0r | how |
| 00:18.29 | GeneralAntilles | Frame the state in your view |
| 00:18.50 | GeneralAntilles | Tap the menu, tap maps, tap manage maps... |
| 00:19.03 | GeneralAntilles | Tap Area, select your zoom levels. |
| 00:19.08 | GeneralAntilles | Then read the help. |
| 00:19.09 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, remember how you said the nickometer sucked, because you were hoping it checked the logs or something ? |
| 00:19.17 | GeneralAntilles | Since it covers this stuff. |
| 00:19.24 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, yes. |
| 00:19.36 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, I was just thinking |
| 00:19.42 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, I'm fucking lucky it doesn't that :D |
| 00:19.48 | GeneralAntilles | Ehehe |
| 00:20.14 | nomis | ~nickometer nickometer |
| 00:20.25 | nomis | riiight! :) |
| 00:20.41 | crashanddie | ~nickometer n1cK0M3t3r |
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| 00:21.06 | nomis | ~nickometer nomis |
| 00:21.11 | nomis | *phew* |
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| 00:23.03 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, so, you're a student right ? |
| 00:23.08 | crashanddie | How many years left ? |
| 00:23.14 | GeneralAntilles | 2-3 |
| 00:23.24 | crashanddie | you're on summer break, right ? |
| 00:23.33 | GeneralAntilles | Couple weeks left |
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| 00:23.59 | crashanddie | and you're not working your ass off at mcdonalds ? |
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| 00:24.25 | crashanddie | what do you live on ? Pasta and donations ? |
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| 00:24.42 | GeneralAntilles | I was doing some code compliance stuff at the old bookstore I work/worked for. |
| 00:24.55 | GeneralAntilles | But I just got back from vacation and haven't yet gone back. |
| 00:25.13 | GeneralAntilles | Spent most of the summer with summer classes. |
| 00:25.27 | crashanddie | awesome summer '-_- |
| 00:25.49 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 00:26.23 | crashanddie | I'm glad I'm done studying |
| 00:26.36 | crashanddie | I'd be gladder if I had a job, honestly |
| 00:26.43 | crashanddie | but still, it feels good when it's over |
| 00:26.48 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 00:26.53 | GeneralAntilles | Write some cool Maemo apps |
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| 00:27.07 | GeneralAntilles | and be sure to make them "killer". ;) |
| 00:27.09 | crashanddie | Yeah yeah yeah |
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| 00:27.15 | crashanddie | I'm doing some stuff |
| 00:27.18 | GeneralAntilles | Imagine if "killer apps" were actually killer? |
| 00:27.21 | GeneralAntilles | :shudder: |
| 00:27.29 | GeneralAntilles | By the way, how'd the site turn out? |
| 00:27.43 | crashanddie | I got fucked |
| 00:28.09 | crashanddie | I was supposed to install everything and go live a few days before moving to London |
| 00:28.34 | crashanddie | But it being french bureaucracy |
| 00:28.59 | christefano | what's the best way to mount my tablet's file system over the network? do you guys use SSHFS? |
| 00:29.07 | GeneralAntilles | sshfs is a good answer |
| 00:29.12 | GeneralAntilles | or just use straight sftp |
| 00:29.44 | lcuk | christefano, faster is directly via usb of course, but no1 really bothers |
| 00:29.44 | christefano | is there a SMB server for the tablet? |
| 00:29.59 | GeneralAntilles | I'm sure there is |
| 00:29.59 | crashanddie | Well, let's just say they had stuff to do, which denied me from coming anywhere near the servers, so the app is ready, but not installed |
| 00:30.07 | GeneralAntilles | But it's just more unnecessary overhead. |
| 00:30.14 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, awesome. |
| 00:30.20 | crashanddie | yeah... |
| 00:30.28 | crashanddie | And now I'm in London, nowhere near the servers |
| 00:30.33 | christefano | yeah, unless someone can recommend an SMB server or something I think I'll stick to SSHFS |
| 00:30.53 | crashanddie | which probably means I'll tell them to shove it, or go down in september to install and get paid |
| 00:30.57 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, you should help with the maemo.org reorg. ;) |
| 00:31.18 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, there's such a lot I should do :P |
| 00:31.32 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I can keep on giving you more. :D |
| 00:31.41 | GeneralAntilles | s/, /and / |
| 00:31.51 | GeneralAntilles | ops |
| 00:32.06 | crashanddie | My whiteboard is already filled to the brim |
| 00:32.23 | lcuk | has an infinte blackboard |
| 00:32.32 | crashanddie | HE'S ALIVE |
| 00:32.41 | lcuk | ish |
| 00:32.42 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, where's my web content? :( |
| 00:32.48 | lcuk | ive been workin on somethin |
| 00:32.51 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, IYA |
| 00:32.55 | lcuk | holy poo! |
| 00:33.02 | crashanddie | winnie ? |
| 00:33.26 | lcuk | s/poo/pooh |
| 00:33.30 | lcuk | damn |
| 00:33.34 | lcuk | why didnt it work? |
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| 00:33.57 | crashanddie | no trailing / |
| 00:34.03 | GeneralAntilles | You didn't close it. |
| 00:34.07 | lcuk | gen, ive been so carried away with things recently |
| 00:34.12 | lcuk | ahhh |
| 00:34.15 | crashanddie | this is a working test |
| 00:34.20 | crashanddie | s/working// |
| 00:34.49 | crashanddie | bee or not to bee, that is the question |
| 00:34.52 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, yeah yeah yeah. :P |
| 00:34.53 | crashanddie | s/bee/be/g |
| 00:35.32 | crashanddie | question = ( to ) ? be : ! be; |
| 00:35.35 | nomis | some test text to test infobot |
| 00:35.53 | nomis | s/test/taest/ |
| 00:35.55 | GeneralAntilles | infobot, you suck. |
| 00:35.56 | infobot | and very well I might add |
| 00:36.03 | crashanddie | hahaha :D |
| 00:36.10 | GeneralAntilles | ~$50 |
| 00:36.10 | infobot | ACTION takes the cash and sucks generalantilles off |
| 00:36.17 | GeneralAntilles | Nasty bot. |
| 00:36.21 | nomis | ok, it respects replacement options :) |
| 00:36.39 | crashanddie | ~GA |
| 00:36.40 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, ga is "go ahead" |
| 00:37.22 | lcuk | will be ready soon enough |
| 00:37.24 | crashanddie | ~cookie |
| 00:37.36 | crashanddie | wtf? |
| 00:37.40 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, for the end times? |
| 00:38.08 | crashanddie | lcuk, I've been doing some funky shit with liqbase |
| 00:38.22 | GeneralAntilles | He's been making it display dirt words. |
| 00:38.27 | Guest25897 | ~lcuk |
| 00:38.29 | crashanddie | dirt words ? Oh yeah |
| 00:38.31 | lcuk | you arent the only one :) ive put in a proper layout model now |
| 00:38.36 | GeneralAntilles | s/dirt/dirty/ |
| 00:38.43 | GeneralAntilles | really hates this damn keyboard. |
| 00:38.52 | crashanddie | lcuk, like... Plugins? :-° |
| 00:39.23 | lcuk | i would hope so if required |
| 00:39.39 | GeneralAntilles | More like a porn browser |
| 00:39.50 | lcuk | heh |
| 00:40.06 | lcuk | i have stepped back from the default main loop and im seeing how much i can do without a main cycle and what else i need |
| 00:40.13 | Guest25897 | bloody hell 2008 is restarting on me a lot... |
| 00:40.16 | lcuk | but i think i need a style gallery |
| 00:40.28 | lcuk | Guest25897, why did you ~me |
| 00:40.42 | crashanddie | lcuk, and I've also been thinkering about transition effects |
| 00:40.57 | lcuk | excellent |
| 00:41.20 | crashanddie | anyway, nothing showable at the moment |
| 00:41.22 | crashanddie | but we'll see |
| 00:41.47 | crashanddie | and, I'm pretty positive my camera is dead |
| 00:41.52 | lcuk | excellent :) |
| 00:42.03 | crashanddie | thank you for cheering the death of my webcam |
| 00:42.04 | lcuk | (!) image saving |
| 00:42.20 | lcuk | your actual 810 camera or is this 800 |
| 00:42.25 | GeneralAntilles | Fuck crashanddie's camera. YEAH! |
| 00:42.37 | crashanddie | lcuk, I only have a n810 |
| 00:42.52 | crashanddie | the n800 was at school |
| 00:43.03 | lcuk | thats a bummer, did you try a reflash and no updates and only install camera |
| 00:43.08 | crashanddie | aye aye aye |
| 00:43.14 | lcuk | chinook? |
| 00:43.18 | crashanddie | aye aye aye |
| 00:43.28 | crashanddie | but it's worse than that, I don't even get a /dev/video0 anymore |
| 00:43.32 | GeneralAntilles | Warranty! |
| 00:43.52 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, bought it on ebay from the states |
| 00:44.15 | lcuk | crashanddie, what does dmesg say when you load camera |
| 00:44.25 | crashanddie | something activated, something deactivated |
| 00:44.28 | crashanddie | hang on |
| 00:44.33 | GeneralAntilles | "u suk crashanddie" |
| 00:44.38 | lcuk | heh |
| 00:44.50 | GeneralAntilles | "bad touch! bad touch!" |
| 00:45.02 | lcuk | nearly woke the missus up on the first comment |
| 00:45.24 | crashanddie | [ 2691.570312] EAC mode: play enabled, rec enabled |
| 00:45.24 | crashanddie | [ 2695.500000] EAC mode: play disabled, rec disabled |
| 00:45.27 | shapr | waargh! |
| 00:45.47 | GeneralAntilles | Hey, shapr. :) |
| 00:46.03 | shapr | y0 GeneralAntilles, how's code? |
| 00:46.09 | shapr | I've been doing C# for months :-( |
| 00:46.14 | lcuk | crashanddie, you get those anyway im sure thats not the camera is it? (i barely use my camera and i get them a lot) |
| 00:46.22 | crashanddie | hmm |
| 00:46.23 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, I've been doing community stuff |
| 00:46.25 | GeneralAntilles | Not much code. |
| 00:46.27 | crashanddie | dunno then, true, I get those a lot |
| 00:46.27 | lcuk | shapr, i feel sorry for you |
| 00:46.32 | shapr | me too |
| 00:46.44 | GeneralAntilles | No more Haskell? |
| 00:46.51 | shapr | Nah, that job is over. |
| 00:46.53 | lcuk | not to worry, i do vb classic in the daytime, but i wont move to .shit |
| 00:47.27 | crashanddie | lcuk, I don't get anything notable in dmesg then |
| 00:48.04 | lcuk | try rebooting it and have a closer look at the log. you might find somethin |
| 00:48.26 | crashanddie | lcuk, I've spent hours on it, really |
| 00:48.45 | GeneralAntilles | Hit it with a stick. |
| 00:48.59 | crashanddie | yeah, I could try and let it fall on the ground |
| 00:49.02 | lcuk | well, thats whats up then isn't it. you've worm your doofer down |
| 00:49.10 | GeneralAntilles | Engadget did post my update announcement. :( |
| 00:49.24 | crashanddie | there's something wrong there |
| 00:49.32 | crashanddie | either the smiley, or a lack of negation |
| 00:49.42 | GeneralAntilles | stupid goddamn keyboard |
| 00:49.47 | GeneralAntilles | s/did/didn't/ |
| 00:49.48 | crashanddie | there you go |
| 00:50.09 | GeneralAntilles | We need a maemo.org announcement and somebody else needs to tip them off. ;) |
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| 00:52.43 | crashanddie | lcuk, do you have a /dev/video0 ? |
| 00:52.49 | GeneralAntilles | http://dot.kde.org/1218580876/ |
| 00:53.35 | lcuk | no |
| 00:54.01 | lcuk | hang on |
| 00:54.13 | crashanddie | that's just sad, GA |
| 00:55.20 | lcuk | :D freebies |
| 00:55.59 | lcuk | i do have a video0, i thought it was a folder at first |
| 00:56.13 | lcuk | then when i catted it it gave invalid arg |
| 00:56.38 | crashanddie | ls /dev/vid* |
| 00:56.38 | crashanddie | ls: /dev/vid*: No such file or directory |
| 00:57.13 | crashanddie | which means it's not detected during boot/startup, thus either heavily damaged, or disconnected |
| 00:57.25 | lcuk | thats a bit cack |
| 00:57.36 | GeneralAntilles | Why do people think anybody cares what device they've decided to use? http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=213102#post213102 |
| 00:57.50 | crashanddie | either way, I need to get the special screwdrivers in order to access that part of the unit |
| 01:00.03 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, because he feels guilty, disappointed, and beaten |
| 01:00.15 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, he needs to feel superior, and lacks the courage to face the truth |
| 01:00.52 | shapr | GeneralAntilles: On the good side, my new job lets me live two miles from MIT. |
| 01:01.06 | shapr | MIT has a unicycling and juggling club :-) |
| 01:01.27 | crashanddie | anyway |
| 01:01.29 | crashanddie | I'm out of here |
| 01:01.55 | lcuk | gnite crashanddie |
| 01:02.02 | crashanddie | lcuk, I might just need to go to manchester for a coupla days, I'll have to crash at your place, k ? |
| 01:02.02 | GAN800 | night |
| 01:02.50 | lcuk | no |
| 01:03.19 | crashanddie | :'( |
| 01:03.23 | crashanddie | </3 |
| 01:03.46 | GAN800 | lol |
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| 01:03.59 | ds3 | silly east coast rats |
| 01:04.00 | GAN800 | crashanddie got shut down. |
| 01:04.10 | crashanddie | throws lcuk into a pool of 4chan |
| 01:04.27 | crashanddie | yeah... |
| 01:04.41 | lcuk | gnite |
| 01:05.02 | crashanddie | lcuk@NIT:~$ /etc/init.d/crashanddie stop |
| 01:05.27 | crashanddie | oh wow, I think he actually didn't appreciate that |
| 01:06.07 | crashanddie | (and for the record, I'm not planning to go anywhere near Manchester :-°) |
| 01:06.14 | GAN800 | He's a Windows user. |
| 01:06.28 | GAN800 | As he's dropping a nuke there. |
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| 01:07.11 | crashanddie | GAN800, listen, our ATF file on you is big enough, so if you don't want it posted on youtube, I'd suggest you stop divulging our classified information all the time |
| 01:07.34 | GAN800 | Woo, internet money time! |
| 01:07.37 | crashanddie | we'll drop our bombs wherever we please, thank you very much |
| 01:07.50 | GAN800 | I'n gonna be the most popular thing on youtube. |
| 01:08.10 | crashanddie | Yeah, you'll even end up in South Park |
| 01:08.57 | crashanddie | anyway, peace |
| 01:09.08 | GAN800 | Take care |
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| 01:42.57 | Guest25897 | just flashed the fanoush kernel and it seems to have gotten worse |
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| 02:21.46 | Guest25897 | Ok so I am getting a bunch of reboots just doing everyday stuff and it seems to coincide with flashing the fanoush kernel on my 770. Also it seems that this does not happen with my mmc card out. I am running 2008HE. Any ideas what is going on? I used the same exact card that fanoush did all the testing with |
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| 03:10.23 | Sargun | How do I start hildon from within scratchbox? |
| 03:10.43 | Proteous | I have no idea |
| 03:11.08 | Proteous | thank you for runing my day by asking me a question that I don't know the answer too |
| 03:11.11 | Proteous | cries |
| 03:11.16 | Proteous | ruining? |
| 03:11.26 | Proteous | I'M USELESS |
| 03:11.38 | Proteous | sometimes I wonder why I even idle in here |
| 03:11.39 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 03:11.52 | GeneralAntilles | For the entertaining puns? :P |
| 03:11.59 | Proteous | that's probably it |
| 03:12.11 | Sargun | WTF |
| 03:12.40 | Proteous | maybe it's because the channel activity keeps my ssh session from timing out |
| 03:12.56 | Proteous | and I"m too lasy to enable keepalives |
| 03:13.06 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 03:13.17 | GeneralAntilles | That's certainly why _my_ N800 idles here. ;) |
| 03:13.23 | Proteous | heh |
| 03:14.16 | Proteous | sorry Sargun, people who know the answers to these questions aren't always around |
| 03:14.19 | Proteous | but sometimes they are |
| 03:14.28 | Sargun | Its all your faul |
| 03:14.30 | Sargun | GeneralAntilles, you know |
| 03:14.31 | Proteous | cries |
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| 03:15.00 | GeneralAntilles | Scratchbox doesn't support my platform of choose very easily. |
| 03:16.09 | Proteous | windows 3.1? |
| 03:16.38 | Sargun | Gentoo? |
| 03:17.04 | Proteous | NEXT? |
| 03:17.09 | Proteous | OS2? |
| 03:17.12 | Proteous | BeOS? |
| 03:17.14 | Toba | PLAT FORM OF CHOOSE! |
| 03:17.18 | Proteous | Amiga? |
| 03:17.38 | Proteous | VMS? |
| 03:18.57 | GeneralAntilles | OS X |
| 03:18.58 | GeneralAntilles | on PPC |
| 03:19.09 | GeneralAntilles | s/CHOOSE/CHOICE/ |
| 03:19.17 | GeneralAntilles | Sorry, I was writing up a whole bucket of win on itT. |
| 03:19.24 | Proteous | lol |
| 03:19.26 | GeneralAntilles | Didn't have attention to spare for some stupid IRC channel. :P |
| 03:19.32 | Proteous | stupid IRC |
| 03:19.40 | Proteous | it's like a yippy dog |
| 03:19.50 | Proteous | one you want to punt across the room |
| 03:19.56 | Proteous | or maybe must stup on, hard |
| 03:19.58 | Toba | no it is more like a mob of people just waiting for you to make a mistake |
| 03:19.59 | Proteous | step |
| 03:20.30 | Proteous | SO NEEDY |
| 03:20.55 | Proteous | ANSWER MY QUESTION NOW OR I WILL BE MAD AT YOU IRC CHANNEL |
| 03:21.25 | Sargun | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/ |
| 03:21.27 | Sargun | its down. |
| 03:21.34 | Proteous | To late, raaawwwwwwwww |
| 03:21.45 | Sargun | back. |
| 03:23.26 | GeneralAntilles | To anybody encountering maemo.org errors, just keep reloading until you get the page. |
| 03:24.13 | n800n | brilliant! |
| 03:24.22 | Sargun | GeneralAntilles, ok. |
| 03:24.28 | Sargun | GeneralAntilles, they are changing DCs still |
| 03:24.30 | Sargun | ? |
| 03:24.40 | GeneralAntilles | Well, it's evidently spread out over two |
| 03:24.49 | GeneralAntilles | and the ISP is still getting everything configured |
| 03:25.12 | GeneralAntilles | Server upgrade are imminent, so hopefully we'll be much better off RSN |
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| 03:29.35 | n800n | logo=nice |
| 03:30.00 | GeneralAntilles | I still think the R in .ORG is off |
| 03:30.08 | GeneralAntilles | It was too small, now I think it's too big. |
| 03:31.20 | n800n | can i see more submissions? |
| 03:31.27 | n800n | or just the 5 |
| 03:31.48 | Sargun | GeneralAntilles, so you don't develop? |
| 03:31.53 | GeneralAntilles | The logo contest page is probably still up on the wiki' |
| 03:32.02 | GeneralAntilles | Sargun, no. |
| 03:32.10 | GeneralAntilles | I'm mostly just a community guy. |
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| 03:32.31 | GeneralAntilles | I would get into it if I felt like trying to get scratchbox to run |
| 03:32.41 | GeneralAntilles | But that'll have to wait until I "upgrade" to an Intel Mac. |
| 03:34.59 | n800n | pyano's fun |
| 03:35.13 | n800n | any new music apps out lately? |
| 03:37.01 | n800n | ooh an qt |
| 03:38.32 | n800n | it's like christmas every couple weeks with maemo |
| 03:39.02 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, Qt was just pushed to Extras. |
| 03:39.10 | GeneralAntilles | gnuton's working for Nokia now, too. |
| 03:40.12 | n800n | nice |
| 03:40.14 | Sargun | neat. |
| 03:40.29 | Sargun | I want to port my gesture recognition stuff to the n810. |
| 03:40.54 | Sargun | A while ago I wrote an app |
| 03:40.57 | Sargun | which used a tilt sensor |
| 03:41.04 | Sargun | to slide a map around. |
| 03:41.06 | Sargun | that was cool. |
| 03:42.05 | Sargun | I'm not sure how well the N810 would handle Gesture recognition though |
| 03:42.09 | GeneralAntilles | Hope the next tablet has an accelerometer built-in. |
| 03:42.28 | Sargun | I'm surprised they didn't do it with the N810 |
| 03:42.52 | Sargun | Then again the N810 is amazingly low cost |
| 03:43.13 | n800n | accelerometer wouldn't make much sense |
| 03:43.24 | n800n | it'd be fun tho |
| 03:43.49 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, not super useful |
| 03:44.01 | GeneralAntilles | But it's not particularly costly or difficult for Nokia to add |
| 03:44.07 | GeneralAntilles | and would make for a cool hacker tool. |
| 03:45.59 | n800n | 4 cool games since my last app binge |
| 03:47.12 | n800n | hexahop, barrage, lierox, lbreakout |
| 03:48.39 | GeneralAntilles | MadBomber |
| 03:49.16 | n800n | i was going down alphabetically |
| 03:49.27 | n800n | i dont think i got to m |
| 03:54.34 | n800n | hsh yeah this is fun |
| 03:55.53 | GeneralAntilles | Diablo Extras is really picking up. |
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| 03:56.42 | Proteous | diablo3 looks cool |
| 03:58.13 | n800n | i was really hoping for a fbreader update |
| 03:58.21 | Grackle | johnx, Stskeeps, the deblet project site instructions don't work with diablo.. The diablo sdk tools don't include subversion. |
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| 04:27.10 | GAN800 | Hi, konttori. :) |
| 04:27.21 | konttori | GAN800: Hi |
| 04:27.40 | konttori | I just commented on the https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3566 bug |
| 04:27.53 | konttori | Indeed it's an issue (GeneralAntilles) |
| 04:28.05 | GAN800 | Yeah, that one got to me. :/ |
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| 04:45.55 | GAN800 | lol, khertan. :D |
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| 04:58.53 | khertan | :) |
| 04:59.20 | khertan | GeneralAntilles: i think you talk about one post in itt ;) |
| 05:02.03 | GAN800 | Hehe, yeah, I loled rather loudly. ;) |
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| 06:03.06 | Stskeeps | Grackle: could you put it on trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet as a bug then? .. diablo seems to be a bit retarded about repos :P |
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| 06:04.12 | Stskeeps | Grackle: and maybe indicate in bug report where subversion is then |
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| 06:09.49 | Stskeeps | Grackle: we're prolly going to make it into a .install file or something, that pulls down the right dependancies from the right repos or something |
| 06:09.58 | Stskeeps | so it gets the dependancies that way |
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| 06:17.16 | Khertan_n810 | Hi ! |
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| 06:21.46 | moontiger | hi khertan :) is there a problem with the latest version of mcalendar that you are aware of? |
| 06:22.03 | Khertan_n810 | yep |
| 06:22.04 | moontiger | wow lots of khertans here tonight |
| 06:22.15 | moontiger | ok cool ... just making sure it wasnt me |
| 06:22.29 | Khertan_n810 | the problem :) |
| 06:22.53 | Khertan_n810 | the problem is corrected on 0.3.8 |
| 06:22.53 | moontiger | yeah heh |
| 06:23.09 | Khertan_n810 | but not yet available in repository |
| 06:23.21 | moontiger | stops checking for updates |
| 06:23.26 | Khertan_n810 | as extras builder is broken |
| 06:23.29 | moontiger | cool ... the prefs screens |
| 06:24.17 | Khertan_n810 | once extras builder will not be amnesiac |
| 06:24.22 | Khertan_n810 | i ll upload it |
| 06:24.24 | moontiger | btw i tried everything i could think of to get the settings menu to appear but i have no clue ... as im sure comes as no surprise ;) |
| 06:25.07 | Khertan_n810 | i ve made a mistake in the code |
| 06:25.27 | Khertan_n810 | miss spelled variable name :) |
| 06:25.37 | moontiger | heh ... it happens |
| 06:26.05 | Khertan_n810 | connection will drop |
| 06:26.17 | moontiger | so with the desktop applet settinsg menu ... it doesnt seem as if the event if handled in the python bindings is my best guess |
| 06:27.33 | Khertan_n810 | i m in the train |
| 06:27.36 | Khertan_n810 | which is going underground |
| 06:27.41 | moontiger | oh wow cool :) |
| 06:27.50 | moontiger | cu on the flipside |
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| 06:39.03 | moontiger | is there a problem with the repos currently? |
| 06:39.50 | Khertan_n810 | contacts.phone.rel == gdata.contacts.REL_HOME: |
| 06:39.54 | Khertan_n810 | oups ww |
| 06:40.04 | GAN800 | moontiger, everything's half working at the moment. |
| 06:40.19 | GAN800 | Refreshing a few times usually gets it. |
| 06:40.19 | Khertan_n810 | moontiger > there is problem with all maemo.org |
| 06:40.30 | moontiger | doh! what happened? anybody know? thnx for the update btw |
| 06:40.32 | Khertan_n810 | repository, garage,wiki, www |
| 06:40.43 | GAN800 | maem |
| 06:40.54 | Khertan_n810 | the problem is again server |
| 06:41.03 | GAN800 | maemo.org is in two places at the moment. ;) |
| 06:41.12 | moontiger | wow really??!! nokia cant afford a decent server and isp?? |
| 06:41.19 | GAN800 | and getting pounded after the Diablo update. |
| 06:41.28 | Khertan_n810 | until they will don't left the 33.6k modem |
| 06:41.36 | GAN800 | Server upgrades are coming in a week or two. |
| 06:41.38 | moontiger | *laughs* |
| 06:41.38 | Khertan_n810 | we will still have problem |
| 06:41.59 | GAN800 | Yesterday's move was the first step. |
| 06:43.00 | moontiger | is there anyway i can get the python sqlite debs so i can do dev work on sbox on this laptop? |
| 06:43.10 | Khertan_n810 | pygtkeditgor mcontacts.glade |
| 06:43.11 | Khertan_n810 | arg ww |
| 06:43.45 | Khertan_n810 | try again a pray ... |
| 06:44.50 | moontiger | it keeps failing to stat the repos i need |
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| 06:46.15 | legind | away sleep |
| 06:49.56 | moontiger | can i grab a version of pysqlite from elsewhere and install that? |
| 06:50.50 | moontiger | ach prolly not |
| 06:50.58 | moontiger | np |
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| 06:51.46 | XTL | Putting a wave of updates on a slow-moving system out at the same moment you move servers... |
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| 06:59.17 | GAN800 | XTL, the ISP jumped the gun. |
| 06:59.48 | GAN800 | and the maemo.org people really had no way of knowing when Nokia was going to dump the update. |
| 07:00.05 | GAN800 | The move has been planned for a while. |
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| 07:00.43 | GAN800 | The managers at Nokia-proper in charge of release scheduling are the ones to blame. |
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| 07:01.40 | XTL | I don't exactly mind. Just seems like a funny thing to do. |
| 07:02.44 | GAN800 | The people in charge of releases at Nokia aren't very good at coordinating |
| 07:04.03 | GAN800 | The process seems to be 'What about today? Uh, yeah, I remember something about something happening soon so . . . let's do it! OK!' |
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| 07:07.34 | GAN800 | b.m.o seems to be completely dead. |
| 07:08.39 | Sargun | bug in the documentation: |
| 07:08.39 | Sargun | http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node6.html |
| 07:08.49 | Sargun | Section: 5.4.1 Overview |
| 07:08.55 | Sargun | 2nd paragraph |
| 07:09.00 | Sargun | To conserve memory, only single instance of an application can be running at any given time. If the application is already running, it will only receive a message about the new invocation, such as "open file 'foo'" and top itself. The user can switch to another, already running application either by using the Task Navigator UI, or by closing the topmost application. |
| 07:10.33 | RST38h | Where is the bug? |
| 07:11.23 | GAN800 | I don't see one either. |
| 07:13.15 | moontiger | khertan ... the settings menu thingy for desktop applets... |
| 07:13.25 | moontiger | did you try to get this working? |
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| 07:21.08 | yigal | is/are there (a) way(s) to keep the screen's and/or led light on - without blinking for the led - while the device is on? |
| 07:22.25 | yigal | I need a very small ammount of light, for which at least the screen is bright enough to give me, and keeping it on would mean I wouldn't another source of light. |
| 07:22.39 | yigal | at least during night's with a little moon in them |
| 07:22.45 | XTL | A torch application. |
| 07:22.57 | yigal | thank you!! |
| 07:22.59 | bef0rd | you can disable the blinking led at eh control panel |
| 07:23.01 | lbt | there is a torch app IIRC |
| 07:24.19 | yigal | great |
| 07:24.37 | GAN800 | moredimmingoptions with MicroB fullscreen pn about:blank |
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| 07:32.58 | Khertan__ | i m back |
| 07:33.16 | Khertan__ | moontiger: no i ven't the time to digger more about the binding |
| 07:33.34 | Khertan__ | moontiger: i m a bit busy working on mCalendar and mContact |
| 07:33.38 | aquatix | good morning all |
| 07:33.44 | moontiger | it looks like returning a gtkmenuitem might work |
| 07:34.08 | moontiger | i'll try it tomorrow when im done teaching and let you know if i got anywhere |
| 07:34.09 | moontiger | ;) |
| 07:38.17 | Khertan__ | good morning aquatix |
| 07:38.31 | Khertan__ | moontiger: yep i'm interested |
| 07:39.01 | moontiger | ok i'll dig into it and see what i can find out ... must sleep now :) |
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| 07:46.17 | herwood | hi |
| 07:46.37 | herwood | does anyone know some way of enabling permanent status bar icons? |
| 07:46.47 | herwood | I somehow managed to disable them |
| 07:47.00 | aquatix | herwood: see the control panel, panel settnigs |
| 07:47.22 | aquatix | second tab in the panel settings dialog window |
| 07:47.51 | aquatix | btw, who's the developer of the load plugin? |
| 07:47.53 | aquatix | erm |
| 07:48.00 | aquatix | system load applet |
| 07:48.06 | herwood | aquatix: did you mean Control panel->Panels->Status bar? |
| 07:48.36 | aquatix | yeah |
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| 07:48.59 | aquatix | you can even modify the order of them |
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| 07:49.04 | herwood | only temporary icons can be enabled/disabled there |
| 07:49.41 | aquatix | they're all gone with you? |
| 07:49.44 | herwood | the permanent icons' (e.g. the battery icon) checkbox is disabled |
| 07:49.58 | aquatix | disabled? hm |
| 07:50.05 | herwood | they are there but I cannot check the checkbox |
| 07:50.08 | aquatix | that's... weird :) |
| 07:50.09 | johnx | herwood, did your desktop panels disappear then re-appear without the icons? |
| 07:50.58 | herwood | johnx: yeah, in some point while I was trying to create my own icon |
| 07:51.11 | johnx | try rebooting |
| 07:51.16 | johnx | they should all be back |
| 07:51.19 | bef0rd | johnx, that have happened to me aswell, all the 'default' icons reappear instead of my config |
| 07:51.29 | herwood | I've tried that a couple of times but they just won't come back :P |
| 07:51.42 | johnx | herwood, ah, a different situation this time :/ |
| 07:51.50 | herwood | yeah |
| 07:52.12 | herwood | should I possibly modify some file to get them back visible? |
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| 08:04.44 | murrayc | What's with bugs.maemo.org being down now? |
| 08:05.14 | murrayc | Ah, I see an email about it on the mailing list. Sorry. |
| 08:05.39 | murrayc | Apparently it will be up again tomorrow. |
| 08:06.00 | X-Fade | murrayc: Probably later this day. |
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| 08:57.44 | Khertan__ | oO° |
| 08:57.59 | tuukkah | is there a howto or something on how to enable multiple network connections at the same time? |
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| 09:02.43 | XTL | curses automake |
| 09:05.10 | qwerty12 | knew I should have taken German |
| 09:05.38 | Khertan__ | want to sleep |
| 09:06.46 | aquatix | qwerty12: it's not hard; just learn dutch, then you can read german quite easily ;) |
| 09:07.35 | qwerty12 | aquatix, nice. But my aptitude for languages is *low* |
| 09:07.44 | aquatix | similar here |
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| 09:07.53 | aquatix | thankfully my parents teached me dutch ;) |
| 09:08.15 | qwerty12 | My parents tried and gave up :D |
| 09:09.23 | aquatix | lol |
| 09:09.33 | aquatix | would've created... issues here i guess ;) |
| 09:09.45 | aquatix | school: `but... he doesn't even talk!' |
| 09:10.11 | aquatix | wouldn't have been good for my geek ego |
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| 09:11.56 | qwerty12 | Hehe, I speak English as my first language, no problems here. :) |
| 09:12.27 | aquatix | i have to say, since i'm on irc my english has improved |
| 09:12.33 | aquatix | scares me a bit |
| 09:13.07 | aquatix | caught himself saying `lol' out loud several times |
| 09:15.14 | qwerty12 | hehe, I feel like that then I realise I'm not on the internet |
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| 09:25.31 | XTL | I've seem people who replace first person comments with third and "me" (/me ...) IRL |
| 09:27.30 | aquatix | Mii! |
| 09:27.47 | aquatix | XTL: those are not irc'ers, those are hillbillies |
| 09:28.02 | aquatix | `conan hungry! conan order burger!' |
| 09:28.13 | XTL | aquatix: Indeed |
| 09:29.53 | XTL | Irc is like alcohol. Nice in moderation, possibly fun in excess and a really sorry sight when gone too far. |
| 09:30.46 | Stskeeps | combining irc, alcohol and a bunch of irc people on a field in the middle of nowhere in the netherlands, is fun too. |
| 09:30.49 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 09:41.03 | Italodance | where is abuse-lib? |
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| 09:41.56 | bef0rd | libabuse-dev |
| 09:42.24 | qwerty12 | You wouldn't want to install a -dev package on the tablet |
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| 09:43.05 | Italodance | bef0rd where is it? on extras=devel? |
| 09:43.56 | bef0rd | oh, I thought you were kidding. xD that name sounds .. funny :P |
| 09:44.09 | Italodance | slaps bef0rd around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:44.13 | Italodance | aggggggg |
| 09:44.18 | Italodance | where is the link? |
| 09:49.47 | lardman | morning |
| 09:50.08 | RST38h | moorning |
| 09:52.02 | mikkov_ | Italodance: extras-devel has abuse-frabs |
| 09:53.18 | Italodance | mikkov_ i need lib abuse |
| 09:54.06 | Italodance | abuse-lib |
| 09:54.53 | mikkov_ | then i can't help |
| 09:56.30 | mikkov_ | but abuse-frabs includes levels from abuse-lib too |
| 09:57.05 | Italodance | i knew |
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| 09:58.45 | mikkov_ | so is abuse working or not? |
| 10:03.12 | rmrfchik | can you pastebin "clean" /etc/sources.list.d/hildot*? |
| 10:03.18 | rmrfchik | hildon |
| 10:03.57 | rmrfchik | I have some problems with latest updateds |
| 10:06.17 | RST38h | a moment |
| 10:08.07 | RST38h | ls: /etc/sources.list.d: No such file or directory |
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| 10:10.39 | lardman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:11.36 | rmrfchik | apt ;) |
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| 10:24.14 | RST38h | it trips pastebin's spam filter |
| 10:24.17 | RST38h | dunno why |
| 10:27.55 | RST38h | rmrfchik: can I msg you? |
| 10:28.01 | rmrfchik | sure |
| 10:28.26 | RST38h | done |
| 10:28.31 | rmrfchik | wow. a lot of. |
| 10:29.05 | rmrfchik | thank you. |
| 10:29.06 | RST38h | not all of them are needed though |
| 10:29.42 | rmrfchik | I can't do a full update because I have some packages newer |
| 10:29.49 | rmrfchik | libxml2 for example. |
| 10:36.22 | pvanhoof | While making a package, I noticed that it installs in debian/tmp/usr/local as prefix |
| 10:36.32 | pvanhoof | How do I make it use debian/tmp/usr instead? |
| 10:36.40 | pvanhoof | Well, I know how, but how do I do this correctly? |
| 10:37.02 | pvanhoof | DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS := --prefix=something? |
| 10:38.25 | terbo | its package specific. look in the configuration of your particular package. |
| 10:38.53 | pvanhoof | I am turning it into a package ter |
| 10:38.55 | pvanhoof | terbo, |
| 10:39.06 | pvanhoof | So I have a project, a piece of source, and I'm making the debian subdir |
| 10:39.20 | pvanhoof | The default prefix of this project is /usr/local |
| 10:40.01 | terbo | wouldn't know what to do if there was no ./configure |
| 10:40.14 | pvanhoof | nono, there's a ./configure |
| 10:40.23 | terbo | then try --prefix when you invoke it |
| 10:40.31 | pvanhoof | In the rules file? |
| 10:41.31 | terbo | wonders .. |
| 10:41.49 | pvanhoof | trying |
| 10:42.08 | pvanhoof | seems to work indeed |
| 10:42.18 | pvanhoof | dpkg-buildpackage: full upload; Debian-native package (full source is included) |
| 10:42.18 | pvanhoof | [sbox-DIABLO_ARMEL: ~/arm/libgee] > |
| 10:43.07 | pvanhoof | http://pastebin.com/m5dab2148 |
| 10:43.09 | pvanhoof | does that look good? |
| 10:43.41 | terbo | yup |
| 10:43.55 | pvanhoof | http://pastebin.com/m2b5804e |
| 10:43.57 | pvanhoof | And that one? |
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| 10:44.23 | zap | libgay.so? |
| 10:44.23 | pvanhoof | Right then, trying to install it |
| 10:44.42 | pvanhoof | No, gee is a library that a lot of vala projects consume, zap |
| 10:44.50 | pvanhoof | juergbi will tell you all about it |
| 10:45.27 | pvanhoof | juergbi, you somehow want the debian subdir for gee? It's a Maemo centric rules-file though |
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| 10:45.54 | terbo | ya looks fine, hope it all works out :) |
| 10:46.40 | juergbi | pvanhoof: probably makes sense to keep it in maemo repos, then |
| 10:46.43 | pvanhoof | http://pastebin.com/m53411d94 |
| 10:46.48 | pvanhoof | juergbi, nods |
| 10:46.58 | pvanhoof | juergbi, I've seen some projects do things like: debian/rules.maemo |
| 10:47.03 | pvanhoof | and debian/rules.ubuntu |
| 10:47.13 | pvanhoof | I think for example the tinymail debian guy did something like that |
| 10:47.15 | pvanhoof | not sure how it works |
| 10:47.36 | pvanhoof | I guess you can somehow pass the rules file to dpkg-buildetcetc |
| 10:48.11 | pvanhoof | Anyway, but perhaps you want control over the description and things like that, juergbi ? |
| 10:49.03 | juergbi | i don't think that it usually makes sense to keep distro-specific things in upstream packages |
| 10:49.20 | pvanhoof | ok |
| 10:49.39 | juergbi | we don't do decisions for distros |
| 10:50.40 | pvanhoof | juergbi, http://codeminded.be/people/pvanhoof/maemo/packages/ |
| 10:56.05 | terbo | cool. i started building a few packages for my self, then realised that .. it would take tonnes more effort to get them to actually work |
| 10:56.21 | terbo | ponders buying a flipstart or other umpc ....... |
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| 11:01.01 | amr | heh, is it normal for 07he to switch off when you tap the power button at the top? |
| 11:01.08 | amr | doesn't bring up the options menu for offline mode/lock etc |
| 11:02.03 | Kegetys | doesnt it do that if you have the developer mode or whatever it is enabled with the flasher app? |
| 11:02.22 | amr | i didn't enable anything like that, just used the windows nokia flasher |
| 11:02.36 | Kegetys | hmm okay, dunno then :) |
| 11:02.42 | amr | heh |
| 11:02.44 | amr | hm |
| 11:02.52 | pvanhoof | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ diablo free |
| 11:03.00 | pvanhoof | Turns out that that one has libgee0 and libgee-dev already |
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| 11:20.46 | lardman | Khertan_n810: I can't seem to find some of the deps for your editor program |
| 11:21.12 | Khertan_n810 | yep :) |
| 11:21.23 | lardman | and your web site is broken, all the pages are the same |
| 11:21.49 | Khertan_n810 | ? |
| 11:22.23 | lardman | oh well, works on the PC, not on the N810 then |
| 11:22.27 | Khertan_n810 | no prob with my website |
| 11:22.30 | Khertan_n810 | ? |
| 11:22.39 | Khertan_n810 | i ve just test on my n810 |
| 11:22.45 | lardman | It kept sending me to the same page last night when I tried |
| 11:23.01 | Khertan_n810 | in fact there is a dependancy error |
| 11:23.59 | lardman | anyway, just thought I'd let you know |
| 11:24.22 | Khertan_n810 | and i don t know why application manager try to install an old version |
| 11:24.31 | Khertan_n810 | yep, thx |
| 11:24.45 | lardman | is there a newer version with working deps? |
| 11:24.48 | Khertan_n810 | as a newer is in chinook repository |
| 11:25.13 | Khertan_n810 | the one on my site |
| 11:25.13 | lardman | ah, I removed that repo, might have to put it back |
| 11:25.22 | lardman | ok, will give it a go later on, cheers |
| 11:25.44 | Khertan_n810 | all dependancies is avalaible on myh site |
| 11:25.58 | Khertan_n810 | don t use chinnok repository on diablo |
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| 11:26.35 | lardman | ok |
| 11:26.53 | lardman | I've no idea why the browser kept taking me back to the news page last night |
| 11:27.31 | crashanddie | X-Fade, need some help with the voting process, just ask, I'm good :P |
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| 11:33.04 | Jaffa | hates work. Especially for the US marketing team. |
| 11:35.33 | RST38h | Jaffa: "I know what to do but do not know how to get rid of the bodies"? |
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| 11:43.17 | Jaffa | RST38h: indeed. |
| 11:43.34 | aquatix | RST38h: bbq! |
| 11:43.48 | Jaffa | They no longer want the moon on a stick. They want the multiverse on a stick. A stick made from a single carbon nanotube. |
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| 12:09.59 | florian | hi dneary |
| 12:10.11 | dneary | hi florian |
| 12:10.17 | dneary | Jaffa: Ping? |
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| 12:21.17 | RST38h | Jaffa: I am sure they know that no matter what they want, what they get will be a turd on a stick. |
| 12:21.28 | RST38h | [and the stick will be made of a surplus pencil] |
| 12:22.26 | Jaffa | dneary: pongish |
| 12:22.58 | dneary | Jaffa: Council elections |
| 12:23.03 | Jaffa | aye |
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| 12:23.25 | Jaffa | saw your email but hasn't had a chance to read it. Probably doing a 15 hour day in the office today :-/ |
| 12:31.39 | timeless | gan: ping |
| 12:31.41 | timeless | dneary: ping |
| 12:31.44 | timeless | jaffa: ping |
| 12:32.31 | Jaffa | timless: pong |
| 12:33.11 | timeless | dneary: ping |
| 12:40.17 | dneary | timeless: pong |
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| 12:51.59 | crashanddie | dneary, if you want me to work on the Voting Process |
| 12:52.02 | crashanddie | dneary, I'm yours |
| 12:52.20 | dneary | great |
| 12:52.52 | dneary | I have this: http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/foundation-web/trunk/foundation.gnome.org/vote/ |
| 12:54.09 | crashanddie | You wouldn't know of any reference to how to get the work on the website ? |
| 12:54.21 | crashanddie | Better yet, a representation of the actual SQL data |
| 12:54.29 | dneary | Yeah |
| 12:54.41 | dneary | I'll get it today |
| 12:55.41 | crashanddie | cool |
| 12:56.28 | Jaffa | dneary: Reading your mail now; agree almost entirely with it |
| 12:56.45 | dneary | Hmmmm... almost? |
| 12:56.49 | dneary | Disappointing |
| 12:56.51 | dneary | :) |
| 12:57.57 | Jaffa | :) |
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| 12:58.04 | Jaffa | Very *very* minor nit |
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| 12:58.25 | Jaffa | Elligible voters being decided tonight rather than the start of the voting. |
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| 12:59.09 | crashanddie | Yeah, I didn't understand that either |
| 12:59.19 | crashanddie | btw, how does one check his karma , |
| 12:59.46 | Jaffa | http://maemo.org/profile/view/crashanddie/ |
| 13:00.01 | Jaffa | Assuming maemo.org wasn't down |
| 13:00.14 | crashanddie | I know I'm not eligible for either voting or anything, but still |
| 13:00.40 | crashanddie | w00t, 3 karma points ! |
| 13:00.44 | dneary | Well, you have to freeze it at some stage |
| 13:01.04 | crashanddie | anyway, I'll be back in a bit, cheers |
| 13:01.15 | dneary | The point, as I understood it, was that people who didn't have accounts at least 3 months weren't elligible because we didn't want ballot stuffing |
| 13:01.22 | dneary | Seems like the same argument applies to karma |
| 13:01.32 | crashanddie | dneary, yeah, but why *now* |
| 13:01.39 | crashanddie | why not at the start of the elections ? |
| 13:01.45 | dneary | As opposed to Sept. 2nd? |
| 13:02.00 | dneary | It could go either way |
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| 13:02.22 | dneary | But you do need to publish a list of elligible voters before the election so that you can correct any errorsw |
| 13:02.32 | mikkov_ | am I supposed to get karma points for apps in maemo.org downloads? |
| 13:02.55 | dneary | mikkov_: You mean, being an owner/developer of an app? |
| 13:03.05 | dneary | Yes |
| 13:03.07 | crashanddie | I mean, for example, I didn't care much for karma, as I thought it was just a bragometer, but if it entitles me to vote, and I think I'm entitled to casting one, I'd like to work on it |
| 13:03.41 | mikkov_ | dneary: I have couple of entries (game ports) in downloads but no karma |
| 13:04.00 | crashanddie | doesn't it have to be a project in the garage ? |
| 13:04.00 | dneary | mikkov_: can you open a bug? |
| 13:04.16 | dneary | yes - it's garage projects, I think |
| 13:04.25 | crashanddie | yeah, which makes sense |
| 13:04.36 | mikkov_ | dneary: yes, now that I know it is a bug ;) |
| 13:04.49 | crashanddie | mikkov_, do you have projects for each app ? |
| 13:05.16 | mikkov_ | crashanddie: you mean garage projects? no |
| 13:05.21 | crashanddie | well then it's not a bug |
| 13:05.34 | crashanddie | mikkov_, you don't get karma points just for uploading sources to the builder |
| 13:05.34 | jott | i think it's bad to have karma as criteria for actually voting. |
| 13:05.42 | crashanddie | jott, true that |
| 13:05.45 | jott | it does not really measure anything. |
| 13:06.01 | mikkov_ | crashanddie: I am talking about maemo.org/downloads |
| 13:06.08 | dneary | crashanddie: I know that my karma is not because I've particularly tried to build it up, it's a by-product of stuff I do (blogs, bugzilla, wiki) |
| 13:06.09 | crashanddie | see, I'm going to be boosting my karma in order to be able to vote |
| 13:06.24 | dneary | Plus, if new wiki edits were included, it'd be even higher :) |
| 13:06.50 | dneary | jott: There was a long discussion on this on the Talk: page of Task:Community_council |
| 13:09.13 | crashanddie | dneary, I don't know... It feels... Borked |
| 13:09.28 | dneary | I undrestand |
| 13:09.39 | dneary | To quote myself from that page: |
| 13:09.44 | crashanddie | there's quite a few guys who are disqualified from voting, just because they participate in alternative ways to Maemo |
| 13:10.23 | dneary | "If that's to be a precondition, then the problems with karma need to be fixed first. Notably: bug #2481 and bug #3240, but really there are a bunch of karma-related problems, if the measure actually becomes important for community participation. Here's a list" |
| 13:10.40 | jott | especially thinking HOW karma can be gained. |
| 13:10.41 | dneary | https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Task:Community_Council#Council_member_karma_requirements |
| 13:10.53 | jott | it's some stupid things to do to get krama. |
| 13:11.08 | jott | (not that all karma criteria are bad) |
| 13:11.34 | crashanddie | Well, to be quite honest, I think that if someone's been registered for 3 months+, and he votes, his "karma" shouldn't come into the decision |
| 13:12.11 | crashanddie | because basically, if he's still active after 3 months, and active enough to cast a vote, I don't think there's any doubt about that person's involvement |
| 13:12.40 | dneary | crashanddie: The logic on the wiki was "anyone who creates an account & does nothing with it shouldn't be elligible" |
| 13:12.59 | jott | and my logic is - karma is not a criteria for anything |
| 13:12.59 | crashanddie | Well there's where your whole thing is wrong, isn't it ? |
| 13:13.06 | dneary | And if someone's doing stuff in the community & doesn't have 25 karma after 3 months, then there's a problem with karma |
| 13:13.33 | crashanddie | Look at lcuk... He's writing insanely interesting software, and he has like what, 10 karma points ? |
| 13:13.50 | dneary | crashanddie: You'd consider that anyone who creates an account should be elligible? |
| 13:14.11 | dneary | (otherwise I don't understand what you mean by " there's where your whole thing is wrong, isn't it " |
| 13:14.14 | dneary | ) |
| 13:14.14 | crashanddie | well, if like you say, someone doesn't do anything with his account after 3 months |
| 13:14.22 | crashanddie | where's the danger ? He won't even notice there's votes |
| 13:14.57 | dneary | crashanddie: It's a very minor check & balance to avoid ballot stuffing |
| 13:15.32 | dneary | But hey - please make a counter-proposal on the mailing list (I don't like having discussions like this on IRC because it's so ephemeral) |
| 13:15.45 | crashanddie | on the other hand, the guy who's working on Maemo, involved with Maemo, and plans to do a lot for Maemo, but hasn't done it within the karma-view, he gets denied from voting |
| 13:15.46 | dneary | Or on the Talk page of the wiki |
| 13:16.17 | dneary | crashanddie: Sure - karma needs to reflect doing, if it doesn't it needs some fixing |
| 13:16.35 | crashanddie | Well... No |
| 13:16.45 | crashanddie | Karma can't track everything |
| 13:17.18 | crashanddie | it's not like it can track what happens on IRC, or anything else, that doesn't happen, per se, on maemo.org |
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| 13:18.08 | jott | karma by concept is broken to reflect true contributions. |
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| 13:18.40 | crashanddie | yeah... but define:true contributions |
| 13:19.53 | jott | code, help other, increase visibility, etc. |
| 13:20.39 | crashanddie | anyway |
| 13:20.42 | crashanddie | back later, cheers |
| 13:21.07 | lcuk | forget karma and all this crap: 1 vote per device. link it to your wlan id |
| 13:21.54 | crashanddie | lcuk, this means the german IT guy from the police unit can cast 20+ votes |
| 13:22.07 | lcuk | so? he has paid 20x more than you |
| 13:22.07 | florian | heh |
| 13:22.19 | crashanddie | lcuk, he didn't pay a thing, the budget did |
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| 13:22.55 | lcuk | then get 21 of your friends to vote for who YOU believe in |
| 13:23.10 | crashanddie | you're just being a troll :P |
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| 13:24.14 | Italodance | ummmm i am thinking to make an adaptor for my simcart |
| 13:24.14 | jott | but i think the one vote per device is much more sane than broken karma. |
| 13:24.21 | lcuk | no, its an election - however you decide who can vote a single sole vote is not as powerful as combining forces with your friends |
| 13:24.27 | Italodance | insert it to N800 |
| 13:24.37 | Italodance | and use GSM phone :D |
| 13:24.43 | Italodance | it can be! |
| 13:24.47 | lcuk | we can even use the n8x0 as an electronic voting terminal :D |
| 13:24.56 | crashanddie | lcuk, I was thinking of that :P |
| 13:24.59 | lcuk | contacts diebold |
| 13:25.00 | crashanddie | lcuk, already wrote an UI mockup |
| 13:25.50 | lcuk | vote: [ ] you [ ] someone else [ ] cowboy neal |
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| 13:27.12 | iXce | hm, I just got my n810, is it worth upgrading to diablo straight away or should I wait for some updates (e.g. that more apps are ported, that autonomy problems are solved...) ? |
| 13:27.32 | jott | iXce: i would update. |
| 13:28.00 | lcuk | iXce, i concur with jott - for a new device, no point in holding back |
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| 13:28.42 | iXce | okai |
| 13:28.44 | iXce | thanks :) |
| 13:28.47 | mikkov_ | is there somewhere a list of how to get karma points? |
| 13:29.20 | jott | register multiple products as it seems: http://maemo.org/profile/view/yerga/ |
| 13:29.26 | jott | gets you 707 karma :P |
| 13:29.48 | jott | 100 per product |
| 13:29.56 | jott | or 101? |
| 13:30.14 | jott | or make some favourites |
| 13:30.28 | jott | shakes his head |
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| 13:31.14 | lcuk | :D someone has balanced my negative digg down rating on my profile |
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| 13:31.58 | lcuk | curses shoddy looking icons with no alt-text or link beneath or reason for being there which just randomly change things forever and make me feel stupid every time i visit the page |
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| 13:32.13 | jott | the more i think about this whole karma rating the more it seems broken |
| 13:32.30 | lcuk | its not broken, but its kinda like pissin in the wind |
| 13:32.35 | jott | hehe |
| 13:32.36 | lcuk | the direction keeps changing |
| 13:32.49 | jott | lcuk++ |
| 13:32.55 | lcuk | at least on slashdot karma is well understood |
| 13:32.56 | jott | now you have more infobot karma :P |
| 13:33.07 | lcuk | o'rly? |
| 13:33.12 | jott | ~karma lcuk |
| 13:33.12 | infobot | lcuk has neutral karma |
| 13:33.15 | jott | oh :8 |
| 13:33.18 | jott | ~lcuk++ |
| 13:33.20 | jott | ? |
| 13:33.26 | jott | ~karma lcuk |
| 13:33.26 | infobot | lcuk has karma of 1 |
| 13:33.28 | jott | ah :) |
| 13:33.35 | lcuk | \o/ w00000t! |
| 13:36.50 | lcuk | ~karma jott |
| 13:36.50 | infobot | jott has neutral karma |
| 13:37.06 | jott | ah all in a well balance of good an evil! :) |
| 13:37.21 | lcuk | ~karma superjott |
| 13:37.21 | infobot | superjott has neutral karma |
| 13:37.25 | lcuk | :D |
| 13:37.49 | jott | i think i should favourite some articles on maemo.org to get a right to vote.. *rolleyes* |
| 13:38.17 | lcuk | chain yourself to the front of the maemo.org server |
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| 13:39.33 | lcuk | i best go back to real work anyway - my karma will surprive for another day |
| 13:39.56 | jott | if i favourite enough i may get 100 karma and might be entitled to be elected! woot! :) |
| 13:40.15 | RST38h | Oh shit |
| 13:40.18 | jott | no it's deadline 23:59 |
| 13:40.25 | RST38h | started writing "Intel Corp just..." |
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| 13:40.51 | crashanddie | jott-- |
| 13:40.53 | RST38h | and then saw a warning on the email |
| 13:40.53 | jott | calls his broker |
| 13:40.54 | crashanddie | ~karme jott |
| 13:40.59 | crashanddie | ~karma jott |
| 13:40.59 | infobot | jott has neutral karma |
| 13:41.05 | crashanddie | oh, you can't go negative :( |
| 13:41.09 | RST38h | Oh well, all in a due time |
| 13:41.21 | jott | ~crashanddie-- |
| 13:41.25 | jott | ~karma crashanddie |
| 13:41.25 | infobot | crashanddie has karma of -1 |
| 13:41.30 | jott | in your face! |
| 13:41.32 | crashanddie | damnit |
| 13:42.05 | crashanddie | ~karma jott |
| 13:42.05 | infobot | jott has neutral karma |
| 13:42.12 | crashanddie | fekit |
| 13:42.20 | crashanddie | imatoher |
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| 13:49.11 | crashanddie | HOLY CRAP ! |
| 13:49.15 | crashanddie | AHAHAHAH :D |
| 13:49.24 | crashanddie | I just got an answer from Google :D :D :D |
| 13:49.43 | aquatix | yay |
| 13:49.56 | RST38h | crash: And they want you? |
| 13:50.00 | aquatix | `your mail will be processed within the next 30 days' ? |
| 13:50.06 | crashanddie | Yeah, they want me to call them up |
| 13:50.10 | aquatix | oh, cool :) |
| 13:50.17 | crashanddie | apparently they'd have a job for me in one of their datacentres |
| 13:50.31 | crashanddie | ok, think, think, think |
| 13:50.42 | crashanddie | I have to find a phone booth |
| 13:50.44 | RST38h | ok, I know what it is |
| 13:51.01 | crashanddie | RST38h, you do ? |
| 13:51.09 | aquatix | phone booth? what's that? |
| 13:51.11 | aquatix | ;) |
| 13:51.13 | RST38h | they want you to work on web services reliability and performance? |
| 13:51.19 | aquatix | has seen those in movies |
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| 13:51.45 | crashanddie | RST38h, no idea, apparently they couldn't get through on my phone, so they want me to call 'em back |
| 13:52.03 | RST38h | crash: Don't be so optimistic right now |
| 13:52.25 | crashanddie | hu ? |
| 13:52.26 | RST38h | crash: First, if it is data center, that is most likely IT job not CS |
| 13:52.35 | crashanddie | yeah, who gives a shit, I don't care |
| 13:52.44 | crashanddie | I need a job to keep living in London, or else it'll be back to France for me |
| 13:52.52 | crashanddie | I'll be able to find something more suited later on |
| 13:52.56 | RST38h | crash: Second, it just means they want to interview you. You will have to go through a day or two of interviews and then they will decide |
| 13:52.59 | RST38h | Oh |
| 13:53.16 | RST38h | So, it is not "hired" yet. |
| 13:53.21 | crashanddie | yeah, I know that |
| 13:53.36 | crashanddie | but basically, having someone actually reply is already a huge improvement |
| 13:54.24 | wanders | crashanddie: You were the guy I talked to about a job in Sweden, right? |
| 13:54.49 | crashanddie | yeah |
| 13:55.13 | RST38h | heh |
| 13:56.14 | crashanddie | wanders, but quite honestly, Sweden's a long way from any place I call home. I don't speak the language, I don't know anyone, and to be honest, that's quite a though pill to swallow |
| 13:56.27 | crashanddie | wanders, I have to try in a more familiar place first |
| 13:57.41 | RST38h | and you are from France right? |
| 13:57.49 | wanders | crashanddie: Totally understand that. |
| 13:57.56 | XTL | I never got around to talking to G headhunters |
| 13:58.17 | crashanddie | RST38h, I've lived in France for the past few years, originally from Belgium though |
| 13:58.50 | Jaffa | reads a lot of the karma for voting scrollback. |
| 13:59.32 | Veggen | crashanddie: Sweden is relatively easy to get around in with a usable english language. |
| 13:59.38 | RST38h | Ah |
| 13:59.51 | Jaffa | It will disqualify some people from the council, and some people from voting. But it's a measure against *general* community involvement rather than specific; i.e. you've done some bug work, you've contributed to the mailing lists, you've blogged, you've ranked news, you've commented on apps in downloads, you've put apps in downloads.maemo.org etc. |
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| 14:00.17 | RST38h | Voting for what? |
| 14:01.15 | Jaffa | As has been pointed out, getting 25 points isn't hard if you're actually involved *in* the community. And that's also why I suggested getting the electoral role at the start of the election period (or as close to it as possible), so people /can/ start contributing in these general ways to become eligible. |
| 14:01.25 | crashanddie | Veggen, Yeah I know, but it's really though, you know... I'm 22, moving to London was already quite a big leap, and at least I speak the language, but going through all the administration stuff, in a language I don't even know the alphabet of ? Now there's a leap of faith |
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| 14:01.26 | Jaffa | RST38h: The Community Council. |
| 14:01.47 | jott | Jaffa: but the whole concept is broken. |
| 14:01.53 | crashanddie | I say, we should vote to define the voting system |
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| 14:01.58 | Veggen | crashanddie: true :) |
| 14:02.02 | jott | Jaffa: look at http://maemo.org/profile/view/yerga/ |
| 14:02.19 | jott | (nothing against him but this shows how meaningless karma is) |
| 14:02.34 | Veggen | crashanddie: But I doubt swedish bureaucracy is as bad as the french ;) (I know a bit about the french because my sister lived there for approximately 10 years) |
| 14:03.01 | Jaffa | Why? yerga's all over the place: he helps on ITT (not measured), hangs out here, contributes to the mailing list, has produced Maemo apps which are popular. Surely that's an example of karma *working*?! |
| 14:03.03 | crashanddie | luckily, I managed to get out of that country before my professional life started out |
| 14:03.17 | RST38h | Not sure if it is the example of karma working |
| 14:03.18 | jott | Jaffa: no, compare that the lcuk karma |
| 14:03.28 | Jaffa | jott: Maybe the absolute number is meaningless, and some contributions are weighted more heavily than others |
| 14:03.30 | jott | Jaffa: it's the VALUE that is strange, like getting 700 karma for products |
| 14:03.35 | crashanddie | "the lcuk karma" ? is that a different version ? |
| 14:03.53 | RST38h | lcuk has got karma of 7 |
| 14:03.55 | jott | Jaffa: and getting karma for favourites is strange too. |
| 14:04.28 | dneary | lcuk: Ping? |
| 14:04.42 | jott | Jaffa: i am not saying yerga does not contribute, just that karma is not a measure to compare to ANYTHING. |
| 14:04.45 | Jaffa | jott: yerga's been writing software for Maemo for ages; lcuk's just started and hasn't released anything but a playtest. It's cool stuff, and is reflected in his sponsorship for the conference. Yes, he should probably be allowed to vote, but tough |
| 14:04.48 | crashanddie | dneary, he's working |
| 14:05.01 | dneary | crashanddie: Who would be elligible to vote in the voting system vote? |
| 14:05.03 | Jaffa | jott: karma for favourites is because favourites helps rank the news on http://maemo.org/news/ |
| 14:05.19 | crashanddie | dneary, I dunno, we should vote on that too |
| 14:05.43 | Jaffa | We've *had* this discussion. There was time to comment on the wiki, the mailing list and ITT. |
| 14:05.48 | jott | Jaffa: it's just a *quantity* measure. |
| 14:05.54 | jott | Jaffa: yeah well |
| 14:05.57 | Jaffa | jott: yes, exactly. |
| 14:06.21 | jott | in the end it's just telling me to not care about maemo.org at all. |
| 14:06.31 | crashanddie | yeah, same here |
| 14:06.35 | Jaffa | As dneary put it so well, it's a crude measure to prevent ballot stuffing and show that you are at least vaguely involved in maemo.org |
| 14:06.52 | crashanddie | No, it's being racist to anyone who doesn't work the way you do |
| 14:07.10 | crashanddie | I don't blog, I don't spend hours writing comments which reflect the same opinion as half the other comments |
| 14:07.22 | jott | and if you really thing "ballot stuffing" is a problem, then the whole maemo.org community seems broken. |
| 14:07.27 | Jaffa | It's the maemo.org Community Council; if you're doing stuff for Maemo, but haven't done anything with the maemo.org community, one could argue there's no issue |
| 14:07.37 | crashanddie | I don't edit the wiki because I haven't mastered the formal wording of wikis just yet |
| 14:08.35 | crashanddie | I create my garage account 3 or 4 months after I got my NIT, so I've had it for what, 3, 4 months ? |
| 14:08.48 | crashanddie | And how much have I needed it ? Null |
| 14:08.51 | Jaffa | crashanddie: so, to be blunt, what have you done which makes you think you should be eligible to vote? Because you want to? If so, that might be valid, but it might not. |
| 14:09.04 | lbt | ooh - I have a karma of 28 |
| 14:09.24 | jott | Jaffa: because he is a member of maemo.org |
| 14:09.26 | crashanddie | I don't believe I should be entitled to a vote |
| 14:09.27 | dneary | (I'm having trouble why you & jott have waited until now |
| 14:09.44 | dneary | That is: I'm having trouble figuring out why... |
| 14:09.53 | jott | because i do not follow every wiki discussion page and do not read itt. |
| 14:09.54 | lbt | has never had karma before |
| 14:10.01 | crashanddie | same here |
| 14:10.04 | crashanddie | lbt, not even IRL ? |
| 14:10.05 | crashanddie | :D |
| 14:10.08 | lbt | goes to watch reruns of "My Name is Earl" |
| 14:10.14 | lbt | IRL or Earl? |
| 14:10.20 | dneary | crashanddie, jott: Please add your grain of salt to the Talk: page, and reply to my mail on the mailing list - it'll be much more beneficial than talking all day about it here |
| 14:10.28 | crashanddie | agreed |
| 14:10.39 | dneary | jott: Nor do I read itt |
| 14:10.52 | lbt | do I get karma for choosing the logo? |
| 14:10.54 | lbt | or lose it? |
| 14:11.11 | dneary | jott: This has come up during the 100 Days initiative, and that was managed mainly in the wiki and on maemo-community |
| 14:11.32 | dneary | lbt: Negative karma... |
| 14:11.37 | lbt | eek |
| 14:11.46 | dneary | lbt: My karma is now -74 |
| 14:11.58 | dneary | (I am joking) |
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| 14:12.08 | lbt | told you to pick the gradient version |
| 14:12.37 | woglinde | hi |
| 14:12.54 | lbt | hmm, so I get karma for bugzilla entries but not wiki submissions? |
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| 14:13.01 | lbt | hi woglinde |
| 14:13.05 | jott | lbt: you can karma for random stuff. |
| 14:13.09 | woglinde | is there a chance or turtorial how I can make a normal xapplication aware of the hildon input framework? |
| 14:13.18 | lbt | but is that random +/- karma? |
| 14:13.29 | woglinde | hi jott btw. |
| 14:13.41 | jott | lbt: if you do it *right* (like focusing on really karma gaining stuff) you get extra karma. |
| 14:13.44 | jott | woglinde: hello |
| 14:13.53 | lbt | woglinde: http://maemo.org/development/sdks/ |
| 14:14.04 | crashanddie | Jaffa, but to be quite honest with myself, and thus being fairly arrogant, if I had to argue why I should be entitled to a vote, I would it's because I'm following what's happening in Maemo, I've been paying close attention during the sprints, I've been reading each email on the mailing lists with full attention, and it is not because someone is mute, he should be considered deaf too |
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| 14:14.22 | jott | woglinde: take a look at qt4 maemo and the jalimo maemo integration. i am not aware of a tutorial. |
| 14:14.27 | crashanddie | s/I would/I would say/ |
| 14:14.27 | woglinde | lbt I didnt find there a tutorial |
| 14:14.32 | jott | (both integrate input framework) |
| 14:15.11 | lbt | http://maemo.org/development/training/ |
| 14:15.26 | crashanddie | anyway, I'm out of here, talk to you guys later, maybe I'll rant about this on the mailing list, but seeing how we get bashed to the ground just for wanting to talk about it, I'm not sure it's such a good idea. Basically, the answer is "you should've opened your mouth earlier. Too late, kthxbai" |
| 14:16.04 | jott | crashanddie: yeah, i think so too. and "it's easy getting 25 karma". |
| 14:16.05 | lbt | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/ |
| 14:16.29 | jott | (which makes the whole point useless anyway) |
| 14:16.43 | crashanddie | btw, quick question, if someone is called "Jamie", how the hell do I know if it's a guy or a gal ? |
| 14:16.45 | lcuk | dneary, pong (and my flippin ears are burning!) |
| 14:16.54 | lcuk | crashanddie, you dont |
| 14:17.04 | lcuk | "Hi Jamie, thanks for mailing me...." |
| 14:17.12 | crashanddie | fair enough |
| 14:17.18 | crashanddie | bbl |
| 14:17.43 | crashanddie | Oh, and btw |
| 14:17.53 | crashanddie | I hope I lost at least 10 karma points for being a flaming troll |
| 14:18.03 | crashanddie | Oh, but wait, it only works on maemo.org ;) |
| 14:18.30 | jott | crashanddie: nah, you gain 10 karma points for trolling there too ;) |
| 14:18.33 | Jaffa | crashanddie/jott: then you'd also have seen the discussions about the council on maemo-dev/users, before maemo-community was created; and the whole 100 Days initiative was to give people the ability to shape it. |
| 14:18.37 | Jaffa | Anyway, work. |
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| 14:21.02 | jott | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:21.35 | jott | but for *voting* itself that's another story. |
| 14:21.54 | lbt | crashanddie: you mailed Google? |
| 14:22.41 | lcuk | bbiab |
| 14:23.10 | jott | i am not even aware where the "3 month" OR "25 karmacrap" gone to "3 month" AND "25 karmacrap". |
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| 14:24.39 | Khertan__ | a question about karma ... how does it work ? |
| 14:24.49 | RST38h | Khertan: divinely |
| 14:25.02 | Khertan__ | i mean what the calculation method |
| 14:25.09 | Khertan__ | s/what/what is |
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| 14:26.01 | jott | Khertan__: something like http://trac.midgard-project.org/browser/trunk/midcom/net.nehmer.account/calculator.php |
| 14:26.10 | jott | not sure if it is the one actually in place |
| 14:26.15 | RST38h | I really do not think karma has to affect voting rights |
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| 14:26.34 | t_s_o | exit |
| 14:26.55 | RST38h | In fact, the more egalitarian (?) rules are created, the worse it will be for the whole thing |
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| 14:31.39 | Anunakin | any knows what is the repo for g++ ? |
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| 14:34.24 | lbt | Anunakin: what do you mean by that? you want g++ on the tablet? or scratchbox? |
| 14:34.50 | Anunakin | on tablet |
| 14:34.58 | lbt | try here: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/programming_languages/ |
| 14:35.22 | Anunakin | thanks |
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| 14:36.52 | atul | How to open .mp3 file using exsting application. |
| 14:39.49 | aquatix | atul: try the media player? |
| 14:40.28 | atul | aquarius-:= but I want using my application does with an api |
| 14:40.33 | atul | How do I do |
| 14:42.50 | jott | how is the price for a midgard "product" calculated? |
| 14:45.54 | jott | and, why do i not get "product" karma for advanced backlight? |
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| 14:48.51 | mikkov_ | jott: I guess that karma updating is broken |
| 14:49.14 | jott | s/updating// :) |
| 14:49.29 | mikkov_ | maybe that too ;) |
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| 14:52.16 | mikkov_ | karma is broken https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2481 |
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| 14:55.16 | jott | makes it really even funnier that this should be a criteria. |
| 14:55.38 | jott | even laughable .. |
| 14:55.48 | jott | anyeay |
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| 14:56.00 | jott | out for a while. |
| 14:56.07 | andrewfblack | Hey Qwerty |
| 14:56.20 | qwerty12 | Hi Andrew |
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| 15:02.37 | andrewfblack | I swear I hate learning new programming languages |
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| 15:04.58 | manyoso | does the maemo API give pressure information for touch events on the touch screen? |
| 15:05.21 | manyoso | either through GTK or X11? |
| 15:07.15 | qwerty12 | thinks someone should bribe the tuxbox team to work on the tablets :D |
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| 15:17.18 | RST38h | qwertyuiop |
| 15:17.27 | qwerty12 | RST38hjkl |
| 15:18.13 | andrewfblack | does Pymaemo have MySQLdb module? |
| 15:18.16 | lcuk | manyoso, it is an x11 extension that supports pressure |
| 15:18.49 | manyoso | lcuk: any info on the API or docs even better? |
| 15:19.11 | lcuk | https://wiki.maemo.org/Using_touch_screen_pressure_data |
| 15:19.17 | manyoso | awesome! |
| 15:19.32 | lcuk | yer, you might need to adjust some things, but its very nice indeed |
| 15:19.44 | manyoso | i'm patching Qt to get at this data |
| 15:19.45 | lcuk | you can basically detect feather to MEDIC! |
| 15:20.21 | lcuk | nice :) |
| 15:20.25 | lcuk | right, ill go again |
| 15:20.34 | lcuk | flies off |
| 15:21.30 | qwerty12 | throws the broomstick to lcuk. can't fly without that now ;P |
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| 15:43.08 | snowmoon-work | damn it's hard to prove that we need noatime mounts on vfat. Had to go digging all over the place to discover how messed up it was |
| 15:44.11 | liri | I'm wondering how to put a menu icon on the system tray in C/GTK+? (is there a development channel dedicated for these questions) |
| 15:45.05 | Jaffa | jott: "Products" karma is based on who created the downloads.maemo.org item AIUI; have you raised an issue saying you should be able to specify in that record everyone who gets karma for it? |
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| 15:46.52 | Cptn-N800 | Does anyone know if its possible to get gnumeric to star writing in a cell automatically without either tapping the edit field or f2 first?= |
| 15:46.59 | Cptn-N800 | Its rather annoying |
| 15:47.09 | Cptn-N800 | Especially when used to normal office |
| 15:48.51 | qwerty12 | is joining the OSX people using OSx86. the cheap mac alternative. :P |
| 15:49.24 | jott | Jaffa: no because i did not care a bit about karma and in fact both ga and rm_you got product points so your assumption is probably wrong. |
| 15:49.35 | mikkov_ | Jaffa: Author field in maemo.org downloads is a bit misleading, in my opinion. I can give impression that uploader(author) is also original author of the program. There could be original-author field or author field could be named something else. |
| 15:50.00 | jott | Jaffa: also see https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2481 |
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| 15:51.50 | frewsxcv | So are these the cards my nokia 770 can read? |
| 15:51.52 | frewsxcv | http://shop.ebay.com/items/__rs-mmc_W0QQ_nkwZrsQ2dmmcQQQ5ftrkparmsZ72Q253A1075Q257C39Q253A1Q257C66Q253A2Q257C65Q253A12QQQ5ftrksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQ_sopZ1?_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 |
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| 15:57.32 | jott | Jaffa: it's just if karma is a criteria for basic democratic rights in maemo.org i might want to collect some karma points. |
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| 16:04.35 | Khertan__ | bye |
| 16:10.24 | dneary | anyone know where I can find out how the karma calculation is done? |
| 16:10.41 | dneary | jott: I talked to gary by the way |
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| 16:10.58 | Gary | no you did not :p |
| 16:11.16 | dneary | He said, in his words, "I guess I just missed the specific triggers" |
| 16:11.21 | dneary | Gary: Not you |
| 16:11.24 | dneary | The other Gary |
| 16:11.32 | Gary | goes back to lurking :p |
| 16:12.05 | dneary | So, for example, he's more active on itt (no karma) and IRC (no karma) and liqbase (not in Garage, not in extras, no karma right now) |
| 16:12.12 | dneary | s/Gary/lcuk |
| 16:12.48 | jott | dneary: http://trac.midgard-project.org/browser/trunk/midcom/net.nehmer.account/calculator.php is the one i found. |
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| 16:13.24 | dneary | I found one plug-in in maemo2midgard - don't know where else I might hunt |
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| 16:13.34 | dneary | I've been missing having a contact with Niels today |
| 16:13.44 | dneary | X-Fade: Where are you when I need you? ;) |
| 16:14.28 | jott | dneary: but yes, that's the whole point. there are some specific triggers so it's just 1) easy to "exploit" 2) meaningless as a whole 3) excluding people contributing in other ways |
| 16:15.01 | dneary | jott: If you want me to say that it's an arbitrary measure that can be gamed, then sure, you're right. |
| 16:15.03 | jott | dneary: but i think the net.nehmer.account thing is responsible. not sure if there is a different version somewhere for the live system. |
| 16:15.34 | dneary | jott: If you want me to say that we shouldn't have any criteria for becoming an elligible voter, then I respectfully disagree |
| 16:16.08 | jott | dneary: 3 month account? |
| 16:16.19 | dneary | You need some activity |
| 16:16.34 | jott | to vote? why?! |
| 16:16.44 | dneary | To be considered a community member |
| 16:16.55 | jott | but karma is not a criteria for that. |
| 16:17.12 | dneary | jott: I'm still waiting for your email proposing an alternative |
| 16:17.33 | jott | what is wrong with 3 month? |
| 16:17.58 | jott | and before ANY karma should be considered atleast 2481 has to be fixed. |
| 16:17.59 | mikkov_ | add bytes written in irc to karma => problem solved ;) |
| 16:18.49 | dneary | jott: 2481 was fixed a long time ago |
| 16:19.03 | dneary | I'm unsure exactly what discussion counts, but I suspect it's a log measure |
| 16:19.19 | jott | i mean mikkov_ and my "project" points seem to be missing. |
| 16:19.27 | dneary | Also, I'm unsure what you need to do to have a product counted, but I suspect that garage enters into it |
| 16:19.49 | jott | all of this is *far* too shady to be a criteria for democratic voting rights. |
| 16:20.02 | jott | (if it is considered to be deomcratic in any way) |
| 16:20.13 | dneary | jott: Please - I won't say it again - if you have objections, bring them up on the mailing list |
| 16:20.24 | mikkov_ | dneary: if you check other entries in downloads, garage doesn't have anything to do with it |
| 16:20.32 | dneary | We've discussed it far too much, and you've made no serious proposals, on IRC |
| 16:20.54 | dneary | mikkov_: For that particular thing, I need to get input from Nemein |
| 16:21.06 | jott | i think it is useless as your word weight more. |
| 16:21.15 | jott | i would suggest "3 month is enough" |
| 16:21.30 | jott | and as it is clearly against your will there is no point in proposing it. |
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| 16:24.10 | dougt | question about osso_initialize() |
| 16:24.35 | dougt | i have an application that calls osso_initialize() with a name and version number |
| 16:24.53 | dougt | the name matches the desktop file exactly |
| 16:25.07 | dougt | but the version differs between the the call to osso_initialize() and the desktop file |
| 16:25.15 | dougt | will the application get wacked? |
| 16:25.27 | dougt | wacked == killed by the system after about 30s? |
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| 16:26.44 | dougt | has been watching too many sopranos reruns. |
| 16:27.26 | dneary | jott: It's not just my decision - what I proposed is simply the result of the debate on the wiki page |
| 16:27.34 | jott | dougt: i think the version number has to match. why not fix the version number and see if it solves your problem? |
| 16:27.42 | dneary | It happens that I agree with the result, but in this case, I am purely an executant |
| 16:28.19 | dneary | If you're not prepared to participate in the discussion - and that means the wiki page or the mailing list - then you can't expect your concerns to be taken into account, and you lose complaining rights afterwards |
| 16:28.24 | dougt | jott: yeah, that is what I am doing, but getting confirmation from another developer that has seen this is also valuable. |
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| 16:28.57 | dougt | jott: do you know much about the call to osso_init*? |
| 16:29.12 | jott | dougt: not enough i guess :) |
| 16:31.07 | jott | dneary: alright i try to think about it a bit. i fear i just got "discussion has been done on the wiki" thrown at my head. |
| 16:31.48 | dneary | jott: OK - I'll wait for your feedback. The mail's on the mailing list, and I'm watching the wiki pages. |
| 16:31.55 | jott | dneary: have you be subscribed to the ml to post? i just read the gmane nntp feed |
| 16:32.12 | dneary | Yeah, it's members only |
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| 16:35.31 | Khertan_n810 | hum mContacts sync with google now works |
| 16:35.44 | jott | stupid question: is there a way to reply to a mail on a list that you are not subscribed to? |
| 16:35.44 | Khertan_n810 | just need to make a better ui now |
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| 16:35.58 | Khertan_n810 | i don t think |
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| 16:36.20 | Khertan_n810 | it depends on list conf |
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| 16:37.55 | liri | whose -incharge of the new maemo wiki? (wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page) |
| 16:38.23 | Khertan_n810 | the webmaster of maemo i presume |
| 16:38.27 | Khertan_n810 | so x-fade |
| 16:39.22 | Khertan_n810 | liri: why ? |
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| 16:42.09 | liri | I want to contribute some info to the wiki but it also involves files which are currently hosted on a user's hosting server and I'd like to "keep them online always" by storing them on the wiki server itself if possible or some other public repository |
| 16:49.37 | liri | where and how can I edit the auto-complete spelling text? |
| 16:50.07 | t_s_o | as in add words and so on? |
| 16:50.24 | liri | also delete words, yeah |
| 16:52.01 | t_s_o | not sure if thats even possible... |
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| 16:57.13 | liri | I'm sure it's possible |
| 16:57.24 | liri | if I only knew where that dictionary file is located |
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| 17:01.24 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 17:01.40 | Khertan_n810 | sorry 3g connection isn t stable undrground |
| 17:06.02 | eichi__ | some news about the latest system update and multi boot? |
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| 17:09.14 | Khertan_n810 | is there a recommended way to invoke modest to create a new mail ? |
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| 17:12.49 | GeneralAntilles | liri, https://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Upload |
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| 17:14.08 | GeneralAntilles | just got caught up on scrollback |
| 17:14.24 | Khertan_n810 | dbus ? but how ? can t found docs |
| 17:14.33 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 17:19.08 | liri | oh my god |
| 17:19.51 | liri | that silly os upgrade feature wiped up the boot menu with the option to boot to the mmc device |
| 17:20.58 | Khertan_n810 | haha |
| 17:21.15 | GeneralAntilles | liri, duh. . . . |
| 17:21.29 | liri | hardly funny |
| 17:21.30 | lcuk | liri, but the upgrade is shiney |
| 17:21.32 | GeneralAntilles | Just download fanoush's flasher again, stick your bootmenu.conf in there and run it. |
| 17:21.41 | GeneralAntilles | liri, the initfs had to be upgraded. |
| 17:21.53 | GeneralAntilles | There's no other way around it than overwriting it completely. |
| 17:22.00 | lcuk | facepalms at repeated hoops needed for custom kernels and locations |
| 17:22.17 | liri | well I used the clone os script so I didn't do it manually, there-fore I've no idea how to just remove the boot loader menu again |
| 17:22.35 | lcuk | :D ssu should say "fanoushes kernel has been updated" |
| 17:23.48 | liri | GeneralAntilles: what bootmenu.conf of mine? |
| 17:23.57 | GeneralAntilles | liri, you don't have one. |
| 17:24.06 | GeneralAntilles | I don't use penguinbait's .deb installer. |
| 17:24.12 | GeneralAntilles | So I can't help you with that |
| 17:24.21 | GeneralAntilles | But I KNOW he hasn't updated it for the latest initfs |
| 17:24.31 | GeneralAntilles | so you'll be downgrading your initfs if you do it again. |
| 17:24.52 | GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card#Install_bootmenu |
| 17:25.16 | liri | do what again? I obviously can't use the clone os script again because it will wipe clean my mmc2 root with the older version running on the flash |
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| 17:27.02 | GeneralAntilles | Install fanoush's modified initfs |
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| 17:32.45 | RST38h | Perfect Shitstorm Day #6 |
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| 17:38.30 | liri | GeneralAntilles: can I copy the bootmenu.conf.8x0.example to bootmenu.conf and leave the way it is? would that be able to boot the internal n810 2gb sd card? |
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| 17:49.33 | liri | GeneralAntilles: I got fanoush's initfs_flasher, is it safe to run on the upgraded version now to recover the bootmenu? |
| 17:49.36 | mavhk | hi, tried to install maemopadplus from the maemo.org website, OS version 4.2008.30-2, says incompatible application package. So I downloaded the deb, that let's me see details of the error, "application packages missing: libwpeditor-plus (>=1.0-0). Any ideas? |
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| 17:50.43 | GAN800 | liri, yes. |
| 17:51.14 | liri | GAN800: ok then, here it goes... |
| 17:51.35 | GAN800 | To both questions, though I would recommend reading the readme and modifying the .conf to better suit your setup. |
| 17:52.34 | liri | GAN800: I don't want to remove entries from it and then get stuck without being able to boot |
| 17:54.11 | RST38h | mavhk: What OS are you running? |
| 17:54.15 | RST38h | Oh, 2008 |
| 17:54.31 | RST38h | mavhk: have you tried installing maemopad+ from the app manager? |
| 17:54.52 | snowmoon-work | since I'm easily confused... do we need a new highspeed/rotation enabled kernel with 4.1+(SSU 4.2008.30-2) or are we still using the older one |
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| 17:55.27 | mavhk | RST38h: same error |
| 17:55.30 | RST38h | explain "need" |
| 17:55.49 | RST38h | mavhk: Ok. Go to app manager repositories menu and see what repos are installed |
| 17:56.18 | RST38h | Do you see "extras" there? |
| 17:56.33 | GeneralAntilles | snowmoon-work, you can get away with the old one. |
| 17:56.41 | GeneralAntilles | I'm not sure what was changed for the kernel. |
| 17:56.46 | GeneralAntilles | But it'll boot with the old one. |
| 17:57.02 | mavhk | 3 nokia ones, maemo extras I enabled, fbreader, and maemo extras-devel I added today, but this failed yesterday. Extras says repository.maemo.org/extras, with free and non-free |
| 17:57.05 | RST38h | GAN: I wouldn't. |
| 17:57.09 | GeneralAntilles | and you're welcome to pester qwerty12 about making Nokia give him the new sources so he can patch together a new one. ;) |
| 17:57.22 | RST38h | GAN: If they really fixed futexes, I wouldn't because futexes needed a kernel fix |
| 17:57.26 | liri | "make sure you know how to reflash device in unusual way if this fails" heh |
| 17:57.39 | liri | I hope fanoush is joking :) |
| 17:57.42 | snowmoon-work | GeneralAntilles: so we don't know if there are fixes yet |
| 17:57.46 | GeneralAntilles | Nope |
| 17:57.50 | snowmoon-work | I'll hold off another day or so |
| 17:57.53 | RST38h | mavhk: try disabling extras-devel and retrying |
| 17:58.02 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody should file a blocker bug if they still haven't posted the sources. |
| 17:58.02 | liri | what unusual way is there to boot it? |
| 17:58.48 | liri | ok I'm going with the initfs_flash |
| 17:58.50 | liri | I hope everything will be ok |
| 17:59.34 | GeneralAntilles | There isn't a whole lot that could go wrong |
| 17:59.35 | mavhk | RST38h: same error |
| 17:59.44 | GeneralAntilles | and anything that does go wrong is very recoverable. |
| 18:00.03 | liri | GeneralAntilles: ok, going at it... |
| 18:03.09 | RST38h | mavhk: Ok. Do you have *other* extras repositories in that list? |
| 18:03.17 | RST38h | mavhk: Check carefully |
| 18:03.25 | RST38h | *or* extras-devel repositories |
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| 18:08.21 | liri | ok reflashed initfs |
| 18:08.40 | liri | mmc2 boots up, though I tried pressing the menu button and the bootmenu didn't appear |
| 18:08.57 | liri | menu button on n810 is the bottom one on the left right? |
| 18:09.36 | mavhk | RST38h: no |
| 18:11.01 | liri | ahh I always get this confused |
| 18:11.10 | liri | it's "hold menu button" not just "press it" |
| 18:11.19 | liri | GeneralAntilles: thanks, it worked just fine |
| 18:11.30 | liri | GeneralAntilles: and thanks for the wiki special upload file link |
| 18:12.59 | fnordianslip | hi all. having previously built myself a custom kernel for diablo and just upgraded to the new diablo version, do I need to update scratchbox and rebuild the custom kernel, or can I use the old one I built? has the kernel actually changed? |
| 18:13.33 | RST38h | mavhk: Ok. Disable *all* repos except for Maemo Extras |
| 18:13.35 | mavhk | RST38h: appears the package is http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/4.0/free/libw/libwpeditor-plus/ but not in the 4.1 tree |
| 18:13.46 | RST38h | Ah |
| 18:13.49 | snowmoon-work | fnordianslip: we don't know, updated kernel source package has not yet been released (according to GA) |
| 18:13.50 | RST38h | This can be fixed :) |
| 18:13.56 | RST38h | mavhk: Add one more repo |
| 18:14.17 | RST38h | mavhk: Copy all entries form the extras repo, but type "chinook" in the distribution field |
| 18:14.25 | RST38h | then try reinstalling |
| 18:14.25 | fnordianslip | snowmoon-work: oh great. tnx. |
| 18:14.59 | mavhk | pity there's no copy in the UI |
| 18:16.04 | RST38h | there is, but you will have to copy field by field |
| 18:16.11 | RST38h | fortunately, there is only one field to copy - URL :) |
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| 18:20.46 | mavhk | seems to be working, thanks. the app manager is offering me other updates now, best to ignore those and disable the chinook repo? |
| 18:20.54 | RST38h | update. |
| 18:21.09 | RST38h | leave chinook repo enabled, it will not harm you |
| 18:21.25 | RST38h | when those packages appear in the diablo repo, you will get a chance to update again |
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| 18:22.14 | jigo | is there a way to manually control power management on an n810 under os2008? features such as cpu scaling, putting bluetooth to sleep and wake etc |
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| 18:23.54 | johnx_ | cpu scaling can me messed with via cpufreq in the same way as any other linux machine |
| 18:24.30 | johnx_ | as for bluetooth...that's actually a good question |
| 18:24.56 | johnx_ | you can certainly just turn bluetooth off via control panel |
| 18:25.18 | jigo | johnx_: cpufreq-selector? |
| 18:25.34 | mavhk | thanks RST38h |
| 18:25.59 | johnx_ | jigo, I actually meant just tweak the files under /sys manually |
| 18:26.09 | lcuk | jigo /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 18:26.13 | johnx_ | cpufreq-selector might work, but it's not necessary |
| 18:26.16 | jigo | ahh thanks |
| 18:26.18 | lcuk | have a look at the others for available options |
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| 18:29.30 | jigo | that did it, hopefully no background service will alter it |
| 18:29.54 | johnx_ | you'll need to set it every boot somehow |
| 18:30.08 | johnx_ | but other than that, I don't recall anything messing with cpufreq settings |
| 18:31.28 | johnx_ | there are a couple exceptions: certain apps require the DSP to run at full speed and for that to happen the CPU speed will be changed as well |
| 18:33.59 | jigo | ahh ok thanks for the info |
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| 18:35.14 | johnx_ | out of curiosity are you changing it so the CPU is always set to minimum or always set to maximum or something else? |
| 18:35.51 | jigo | I dynamically set it to max when an application does an intensive task and minimum when it's idle |
| 18:36.08 | johnx_ | that's the same as the default |
| 18:36.20 | jigo | oh the ondemand governor handles it? |
| 18:36.24 | johnx_ | yup |
| 18:36.30 | johnx_ | what governor did you switch to? |
| 18:36.31 | jigo | because I noticed the frequency being static |
| 18:36.39 | jigo | even when my application wasn't doing anything (lower speed) |
| 18:36.47 | jigo | I use performance and powersave |
| 18:37.55 | johnx_ | nope, it's dynamic. maybe it has a lower threshold for going to high speed than you're used to on a desktop/laptop? |
| 18:38.47 | jigo | yea that's what it could be |
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| 18:39.40 | johnx_ | at 165MHz at the low end it doesn't take much to drive the CPU usage up |
| 18:42.03 | jigo | right |
| 18:46.08 | lcuk | ondemand can be a bit slow on the uptake, liqbase has a gui for setting the performance as required :) |
| 18:46.43 | lcuk | i found originally with my coding that a very intense loop was running well but as i optimised it the cpu dropped back and my app ended up slower :( |
| 18:49.05 | snowmoon-work | I've tried lots of tweaks, but can't seem to push the WiFi to download faster than about 750kB/s |
| 18:49.12 | snowmoon-work | any thoughts? |
| 18:51.14 | lcuk | snowmoon-work, what are you sending over the wire - is this a http download from the web, or ssh type connection |
| 18:51.20 | lcuk | ^air |
| 18:51.26 | snowmoon-work | wget http |
| 18:51.44 | snowmoon-work | > /dev/null |
| 18:51.59 | lcuk | then i dunno :D people forget about the overhead for ssh, but since thats not an issue |
| 18:52.15 | snowmoon-work | Yeah, I've been trying to rule out any extra factors |
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| 18:54.27 | dougt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:59.26 | snowmoon-work | turning power save off on the wifi makes things worse |
| 18:59.30 | snowmoon-work | weird |
| 19:00.51 | GeneralAntilles | The wiki is hilariously unstable |
| 19:00.59 | GeneralAntilles | C'mon, server updates! |
| 19:01.19 | RST38h | GAN: Make a sacrifice. |
| 19:01.25 | RST38h | [you know the rest] |
| 19:02.02 | GeneralAntilles | I'm excited for the Maemo IdeaStorm |
| 19:02.07 | GeneralAntilles | Should be pretty neat once it gets going. |
| 19:03.34 | GeneralAntilles | It's gonna suck with everybody on vacation. |
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| 19:06.43 | jott | GeneralAntilles: whole maemo.org seems *really* broken today. |
| 19:06.56 | GeneralAntilles | It's been broken since the server move yesterday morning. |
| 19:07.26 | RST38h | jott: more than it was in December? |
| 19:07.47 | jott | RST38h: well it gives timeouts every 2nd request. |
| 19:07.55 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, most definitely. |
| 19:08.07 | jott | or "connection refused" |
| 19:08.13 | RST38h | kinda works for me |
| 19:08.17 | lbt | or a blank page |
| 19:08.24 | GeneralAntilles | sits back and waits patiently for the upgrades. |
| 19:08.28 | GeneralAntilles | or "Crap.." |
| 19:08.43 | lbt | kicks ands screams and goes to play in another sandpit |
| 19:08.54 | RST38h | Even managed to update the maemo-planet |
| 19:09.05 | jott | RST38h: lucky you! :) |
| 19:10.17 | GeneralAntilles | Oh, by the way, jott, rm_you and I stole your adv-backlight karma and kept it for ourselves. :P |
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| 19:12.52 | jott | GeneralAntilles: hehe and i would not have noticed until some strange karma hindus came along :P |
| 19:16.34 | red-zack | http://pic.mellbimbo.hu/files/areyoucrazy.jpg |
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| 19:19.43 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade! |
| 19:19.52 | GeneralAntilles | Where's my Sprint logs. . . . |
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| 19:21.05 | lbt | Error: You can not rate yourself" |
| 19:21.16 | lbt | this is crimping my Karma plan.... |
| 19:21.21 | RST38h | red-zack: I can come up with better crap even without getting high |
| 19:21.24 | RST38h | So, it's F. |
| 19:21.35 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
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| 19:23.27 | jott | lbt: just write a love bot, hugging every plant post. :> |
| 19:23.59 | GeneralAntilles | lbt, file some bugs, rate some articles, maybe get into a garage project or two. :p |
| 19:24.15 | GeneralAntilles | Make sure your email for the mailing lists is in your profile. |
| 19:24.27 | lardman | ah, the age-old quest for karma |
| 19:24.44 | jott | best karma per minute will be given my adding things to the download page ;) |
| 19:25.09 | GeneralAntilles | No picking on yerga allowed, jott. :P |
| 19:25.20 | GeneralAntilles | Get back to me when you subscribe to every change on bugzilla. ;) |
| 19:26.00 | lbt | is bored with karma now... |
| 19:26.14 | lbt | has a short attention span |
| 19:26.22 | lardman | jott: why are you anxious about karma? |
| 19:26.24 | GeneralAntilles | Be nice if we had a wiki plugin. |
| 19:26.32 | GeneralAntilles | or a real bugzilla plugin. |
| 19:26.35 | lbt | be nice if we had a wiki |
| 19:26.49 | jott | lardman: because it was proposed that you can only vote for the community council if you have a certain karma level |
| 19:26.50 | GeneralAntilles | lbt, we do, just only about 20% of the time. :D |
| 19:26.57 | lardman | oh I see |
| 19:27.03 | lbt | I get one click in about 3 |
| 19:27.13 | RST38h | gets every click |
| 19:27.20 | RST38h | dunno why |
| 19:27.20 | lardman | jott: get elected and skip the karma collection then ;) |
| 19:27.25 | lbt | I think I'm too noob to vote anyhow... |
| 19:27.41 | jott | lardman: hah i need to add some downloads first to get the needed 100 karma :) |
| 19:28.04 | RST38h | suggests flame wars with winner getting all loser's karma. Now, THAT will liven things up! |
| 19:28.15 | jott | haha |
| 19:28.17 | GeneralAntilles | challenges Quim. |
| 19:28.32 | lardman | jott: more work on maemo-barcode, release it and gain karma |
| 19:28.50 | jott | lardman: i don't care about karma :/ |
| 19:28.55 | GeneralAntilles | jott should be well over the threshold if adv-backlight were being counted properly. |
| 19:28.57 | jott | lardman: as in getting it. |
| 19:29.18 | GeneralAntilles | It's about 48 for Download entry right now. |
| 19:29.19 | RST38h | what is the proposed threshold anyway? |
| 19:29.32 | GeneralAntilles | 25 AND 3 months |
| 19:29.40 | GeneralAntilles | I was in favor of 25 OR 3 months, myself. |
| 19:29.53 | jott | yeah OR would be fine too. |
| 19:29.59 | lbt | Download entry? |
| 19:30.26 | GeneralAntilles | "Products" |
| 19:30.37 | GeneralAntilles | The Downloads entry is how they count karma for applications. |
| 19:30.43 | lbt | gotcha |
| 19:30.53 | RST38h | But one can easily create dummy download entries |
| 19:30.56 | lardman | I always said we shouldn't have a hard and fast rule wrt karma, just a guideline |
| 19:31.00 | jott | RST38h: yep. |
| 19:31.09 | lbt | anyhow, now I have a test env - I need to test Shopper |
| 19:32.13 | jott | lbt: when will barcode lookup be integrated? ;) |
| 19:32.14 | RST38h | has to fix Slide Rule on Maemo |
| 19:32.18 | RST38h | and release it finally |
| 19:32.38 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, I'm with you on that. |
| 19:32.41 | lbt | jott: when it makes sense.... and that could be a while ;) |
| 19:32.44 | GeneralAntilles | Especially for the first round. |
| 19:33.00 | lbt | It'll do "you're near Sainsbury's and you need stuff" first... |
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| 19:33.26 | lbt | I checked the internal GPS tracking and I can't do aisle navigation :( |
| 19:33.36 | lbt | (internal as in inside the supermarket) |
| 19:33.37 | lardman | ~lart compiler errors, for meaning I made a mistake |
| 19:33.38 | infobot | strangles compiler errors, with a 9-pole serial cable for meaning I made a mistake |
| 19:34.09 | lbt | lardman: hah - complain when you get a c++ template compiler error!!! |
| 19:34.44 | moontiger | i wonder if someone can help... i installed sbox on my main laptop and it works fine mostly (apart from a whole bunch of missing plugins and start-up warnings and errors) |
| 19:35.19 | moontiger | on my other laptop it doesnt work so well ... i cant load a python home applet as i get something like "home applet loader not found" type message |
| 19:35.31 | moontiger | anybody got a clue what could of gone wrong? |
| 19:35.38 | RST38h | templates = evil |
| 19:35.52 | moontiger | whats wrong with templates? |
| 19:35.56 | lbt | moontiger: run-standalone.sh |
| 19:35.56 | lcuk | lbt |
| 19:36.02 | lbt | hi lcuk |
| 19:36.06 | lcuk | you can rate yourself :( i put myself to negative |
| 19:36.33 | lbt | d'oh - they fixed it or it knew I wasn't *that* good |
| 19:36.49 | RST38h | hehe |
| 19:37.04 | moontiger | thnx lbt ... but i didnt do that on my other laptop ... i just put a .desktop file in the right place and copied the .py script to the right folder and it would run (for testing of course) |
| 19:37.04 | RST38h | lcuk: Where do you rate? |
| 19:37.09 | RST38h | will rate lcuk back up |
| 19:37.11 | GeneralAntilles | Profile |
| 19:37.32 | lcuk | :D heh, but i can never remove the black mark on my profile and i am reminded everytime :'( |
| 19:37.33 | lbt | hmm, how many people are there here? |
| 19:37.35 | GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/profile/view/lcuk.html |
| 19:37.36 | lardman | feels his karma settling as bluez-utils compiles :) |
| 19:37.38 | lbt | can we take the council? |
| 19:37.49 | GeneralAntilles | "take"? |
| 19:37.56 | lardman | overrun? |
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| 19:38.01 | moontiger | laughs |
| 19:38.10 | GeneralAntilles | Fight? |
| 19:38.11 | lbt | hostile takeover |
| 19:38.20 | lbt | game the system |
| 19:38.28 | moontiger | joins "world of mameo-craft" |
| 19:38.38 | RST38h | I got it: maemo.org website only times out once you log in |
| 19:38.45 | RST38h | Log out - and there won't be any problems |
| 19:39.11 | GeneralAntilles | Well, I'm planning on running legitimately. ;) |
| 19:39.15 | lbt | calls for a karma orgy |
| 19:39.17 | lcuk | which way? |
| 19:39.34 | lardman | aaargh, bt headset is flat |
| 19:39.38 | lcuk | heh @ maemo hacking lovefest |
| 19:39.41 | dneary | lbt: I guess you could, if you (a) gamed the system or did enough to get over 100 karma and (b) then stuffed the ballot boxes by getting lots of people to get accounts, meet minimum requirements for voting, and then get them all to vote for you |
| 19:39.56 | dneary | Oh - and you need to get 3 people to do that to control the council |
| 19:39.59 | lardman | goes to watch tv while charging |
| 19:40.01 | moontiger | isnt that like winning an election anyways? |
| 19:40.14 | jott | dneary: shouldn't be THAT hard. that's what bots are for ;) |
| 19:40.33 | dneary | jott: Give it a go, prove the system's weak :) |
| 19:40.39 | GeneralAntilles | deploys the CAPTCHAs! |
| 19:40.39 | RST38h | lcuk: trying to rate you up - it rotates but goes back to 1 |
| 19:40.40 | lbt | moontiger: yep - dneary's thinking manual ;) |
| 19:40.56 | RST38h | looks like you can only rate people down =) |
| 19:41.07 | jott | dneary: i rather code something useful ;) |
| 19:41.09 | lcuk | i'm guessing the maemo hacker who offers to all people who vote for him free prostitutes at the summit will win |
| 19:41.12 | lbt | hires 1p/minute labour to beat GA's CAPTCHA's |
| 19:41.15 | manyoso | lcuk: i almost have it... but when compiling my app that gets pressure info it can't find the XSP headers |
| 19:41.17 | dneary | lbt: You need to have maemo accounts - which verify email addresses |
| 19:41.25 | lbt | sooo hard... |
| 19:41.35 | manyoso | i was following this: https://wiki.maemo.org/Using_touch_screen_pressure_data |
| 19:41.39 | lbt | does it verify 1/domain? |
| 19:41.48 | lcuk | manyoso, so install the xsp headers |
| 19:41.57 | moontiger | lbt: rofl |
| 19:42.05 | manyoso | what package? |
| 19:42.23 | moontiger | try "apt-cache search xsp" |
| 19:42.49 | manyoso | never mind, found it |
| 19:42.51 | manyoso | sorry |
| 19:43.26 | lcuk | thats ok |
| 19:43.59 | lcuk | lbt, you are a bit of an activist aren't you |
| 19:44.25 | lbt | had a bad day ;) |
| 19:44.44 | lbt | told too many people to stop whining and get on with it!! |
| 19:44.52 | lcuk | i imagine you in a big throne cackling like a meglomaniac whilst waving your fist |
| 19:45.02 | lbt | http://www.teknikoffice.co.uk/products/Response.aspx |
| 19:45.33 | lcuk | how the feck did you have that link to hand? i'm obviously not the first person to make that observation ;) |
| 19:45.45 | lbt | I want a new chair |
| 19:45.53 | lbt | Mrs lbt won't let me have that one :( |
| 19:46.16 | lcuk | mrs lbt is wise - it doesnt look comfy |
| 19:46.24 | lbt | I suppose £500 is too much for a chair |
| 19:46.27 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 19:46.32 | GeneralAntilles | It looks like a crap chair |
| 19:46.33 | lbt | "but dear, it's italian leather" |
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| 19:46.55 | lcuk | not really, aren't aerons still more? |
| 19:46.56 | lbt | "I don't care it's 500 bloody quid" |
| 19:46.58 | jott | lbt: tell her she will have to listen to complaints about your spine all day long if she won't agree with the purchase :) |
| 19:46.58 | RST38h | lcuk: Big throne really isn't sufficient |
| 19:47.07 | GeneralAntilles | Aeron chairs suck. |
| 19:47.09 | lbt | that's what I said |
| 19:47.25 | lbt | so I get massages if I get a cheaper chair :D |
| 19:47.28 | RST38h | lcuk: But give me a doomsday weapon instead of a big throne any day, and see me cackle ; |
| 19:47.41 | lbt | that chair is a doomsday weapon! |
| 19:47.57 | YoG | hi, I'm running os2007he, how can I install libpangocairo |
| 19:48.02 | jott | yeah when you die by falling of it the universe collapses! :p |
| 19:48.15 | lcuk | why has it got a brake cable thing coming from one arm? |
| 19:48.19 | lbt | it has a monoshock |
| 19:48.32 | lbt | I always wanted a bike with a monoshock |
| 19:48.36 | lbt | a chair would do... |
| 19:48.46 | jott | hmm motored wheels would be nice for a chair :) |
| 19:48.56 | lbt | nah - jets |
| 19:49.02 | jott | hover chair? |
| 19:49.05 | lbt | actually, induction... |
| 19:49.13 | lbt | I'm right above the garage |
| 19:49.15 | lcuk | doable today :) |
| 19:49.19 | lbt | lots of room in there.... |
| 19:49.29 | RST38h | jott: and a flamethrower |
| 19:49.32 | lcuk | anyway, i want me one of these: http://tu.trekunited.com/frontpage/images/thetourkirk.jpg |
| 19:50.03 | RST38h | ugly |
| 19:50.04 | jott | hehe nerd-o-meter overload :P |
| 19:50.30 | lcuk | says the linux hacker who solves installation problems whilst wearing trunks and a cape |
| 19:50.51 | jott | http://www.elitechoice.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/armchair1.jpg :) |
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| 19:51.26 | XTL | And no seat belts |
| 19:51.38 | lbt | <sigh> reality: http://www.teknikoffice.co.uk/products/Cobham.aspx |
| 19:51.48 | GeneralAntilles | Ew |
| 19:51.50 | XTL | The hole is pretty suspicious looking |
| 19:52.02 | lbt | GA, nah, leather is "ew" |
| 19:52.14 | jott | XTL: hehe that's what i thought :) |
| 19:52.19 | lbt | homeworker remember |
| 19:52.33 | GeneralAntilles | I need a new chair |
| 19:52.34 | XTL | Yeah, leather + no pants.. |
| 19:52.43 | GeneralAntilles | Probably just go to Office Depot and get the one on special, though. ;) |
| 19:52.47 | lbt | XTL - ah, another homeworker ;) |
| 19:53.06 | lbt | GeneralAntilles: and find a physio whilst you're at it... |
| 19:53.06 | lcuk | JUST WEAR YOUR PANTS FFS |
| 19:53.18 | lcuk | stops ranting |
| 19:53.27 | lbt | gets up to find pants.......... <slurp> |
| 19:53.27 | Anunakin | any knows where is the libc6-dev package |
| 19:53.27 | Anunakin | ? |
| 19:53.35 | lbt | mmm sticky |
| 19:53.36 | XTL | I'm to sexy for my pants.. |
| 19:53.42 | RST38h | Anunakin: fms.komkon.org/Maemo |
| 19:53.46 | RST38h | type name in there |
| 19:55.25 | YoG | can anyone help me find libpangocairo? |
| 19:55.36 | lcuk | did you check behind the fridge? |
| 19:55.47 | lbt | YoG: looking... |
| 19:55.57 | lcuk | RST38h, respam ;) |
| 19:56.05 | YoG | thanks lbt |
| 19:56.25 | GeneralAntilles | eats chocolate pudding |
| 19:56.45 | lbt | isn't surprised GA needs a new chair... |
| 19:57.01 | GeneralAntilles | My cat likes to sit on the top and claw it |
| 19:57.11 | GeneralAntilles | It's largely falling off at this point. |
| 19:57.14 | lcuk | claw the pudding? |
| 19:57.16 | lbt | yep - leather is bad for that too |
| 19:58.01 | keesj | totaly missed coverage about |
| 19:58.01 | keesj | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.01 | keesj | Embedded and Mobile Day |
| 19:58.01 | keesj | oops |
| 19:58.11 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, claw the chair, silly. :P |
| 19:58.27 | XTL | Ours only claw the back from behind |
| 19:58.45 | lbt | GeneralAntilles: you have a strange cat, mine would claw the pudding |
| 19:58.52 | XTL | And the mattress from below |
| 19:59.07 | moontiger | brb ... back to teaching ;) |
| 19:59.08 | lbt | YoG: my tablet is being a pain - still looking |
| 19:59.42 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, my cat is strange. |
| 20:00.51 | RST38h | had a cat that absolutely loved chewing on the VCR power cord |
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| 20:01.39 | lcuk | notes the past tense |
| 20:01.42 | RST38h | [unfortunately, she never managed to chew through to the conductors, so my academic interest remains unsatisfied] |
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| 20:03.33 | GeneralAntilles | It's too bad Nokia has seemingly mostly pushed Texrat out of the tablet scene. |
| 20:03.35 | YoG_ | lbt: sorry, damn windows crashed... did you manage find anything? |
| 20:03.56 | lbt | I think you need the libpango package - not sure of the precise name |
| 20:04.24 | lbt | my tablet is a bit unhappy - my multiboot appears borked |
| 20:05.45 | RST38h | Yog: same - fms.komkon.org/Maemo |
| 20:06.33 | lbt | RST38h: bookmarked - ta |
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| 20:11.06 | RST38h | GA: Texrat never worked on the tablets, afaik |
| 20:13.04 | GeneralAntilles | Yes he did |
| 20:13.07 | GeneralAntilles | and does now. |
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| 20:13.16 | GeneralAntilles | He was involved heavily in the manufacture of the N800. |
| 20:13.27 | GeneralAntilles | and does something or another tablet-related now. |
| 20:13.46 | GeneralAntilles | Mostly I'm lamenting him seeming to have been driven out of tablet-community participation. |
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| 20:14.53 | snowmoon-work | I think that was his own doing going after a few reviews of the n810 without disclosing his emplyment |
| 20:15.08 | RST38h | GA: He knew too much! |
| 20:15.18 | RST38h | Nokia had to maim hima bit |
| 20:15.53 | snowmoon-work | Of course I could have read the whole incorrectly |
| 20:15.58 | YoG_ | I'm getting "Unable to install. Application package is incompatible with current version" with the packages from fms.komkon.org/Maemo |
| 20:16.49 | lcuk | well he appears to have installed "rebootnow.deb" perfectly well |
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| 20:17.22 | RST38h | Yog: you have to choose correct OS version |
| 20:17.36 | amr | i think i'll downgrade to 06 again |
| 20:17.44 | RST38h | and probably need to add Chinook Extras |
| 20:18.01 | YoG_ | RTS38h: I have os2007he, and i choose os2007 |
| 20:18.13 | GeneralAntilles | I still need to put together that list of website issues for X-Fade |
| 20:18.20 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe I'll just start filing them as bugs. |
| 20:18.29 | RST38h | oh |
| 20:18.45 | RST38h | does not know anything about 2007he |
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| 20:19.06 | matteo_ | hi! |
| 20:19.21 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody object to me filing a string of minor website bugs? |
| 20:19.21 | matteo_ | someone know an alternative link to initfs_flasher.tgz |
| 20:19.26 | YoG_ | any way to by pass this error? something like forcedepends or something? |
| 20:19.30 | GeneralAntilles | Since X-Fade is going away for a while soon. . . . |
| 20:19.31 | RST38h | GA: Go ahead |
| 20:19.35 | GeneralAntilles | andre____? |
| 20:19.39 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, :) enjoy the karma boost |
| 20:19.52 | RST38h | GA: And do remind them that there is no profile view link from the main maemo.org page |
| 20:20.11 | andre____ | GeneralAntilles, go go go :) |
| 20:20.12 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, it does feel a bit like whoring. :\ |
| 20:20.27 | lcuk | then you will be used to it :P |
| 20:20.44 | jott | and then want more and more and even more! |
| 20:20.59 | jott | until you beat quim :) |
| 20:21.04 | lcuk | and if you're really good at it, you might be able to afford a doublewide ;) |
| 20:21.16 | GeneralAntilles | is still waiting on the itT boost to get into Quim's ballpark. ;) |
| 20:22.42 | lbt | hmm - running the 'update tablet' whilst booted from an alternate mmc is kinda scewy... |
| 20:23.04 | lbt | and it's replaced the initfs... |
| 20:23.16 | lbt | which makes life interesting |
| 20:25.57 | GeneralAntilles | andre____, I really don't want to whore. Do you object to me grouping the Development section typos into a single bug? |
| 20:26.10 | GeneralAntilles | i.e., URL, issues from top to bottom |
| 20:26.12 | lcuk | 1 per typos |
| 20:26.19 | GeneralAntilles | for each section of Development. |
| 20:26.22 | lcuk | theres another one ^ |
| 20:26.24 | andre____ | GeneralAntilles, just do it, sounds good |
| 20:26.39 | GeneralAntilles | :P |
| 20:26.51 | lcuk | and remember, when the page craps out on you file a bug |
| 20:27.01 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 20:27.04 | lcuk | and when the bug reporter craps out on you make a note to file a bug when it works again |
| 20:27.05 | RST38h | every tim e? |
| 20:27.29 | lcuk | its like pokemon :D you gotta catch them all |
| 20:27.52 | lcuk | should really be codin |
| 20:35.14 | GeneralAntilles | "Scratchbox CPU transparency and maemo3 devkits have been upgraded to 1.0.7 and 1.0.3 respectively." |
| 20:35.23 | GeneralAntilles | s/maemo3/Maemo 3.x/ |
| 20:35.25 | GeneralAntilles | Right>? |
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| 20:35.30 | GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo-4-1-diablo-sdk/ |
| 20:39.23 | jott | GeneralAntilles: it's a package called "scratchbox-devkit-maemo3 - Maemo 3 devkit for Scratchbox" |
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| 20:43.54 | manyoso | lcuk: do you know when the maemo device will support regular XInput extension for pressure information instead of this new specialized XSP extension? |
| 20:44.06 | manyoso | is that even on the TODO list? |
| 20:44.39 | lcuk | manyoso, not that i know of - i needed pressure stuff and i found it and have just used it since. |
| 20:44.52 | lcuk | you could always have a go at making it happen :) |
| 20:45.15 | manyoso | not at the moment |
| 20:45.21 | manyoso | first things first :) |
| 20:45.29 | lcuk | you sound like me ;0 |
| 20:45.33 | lcuk | ) even |
| 20:45.42 | manyoso | lcuk: the nokia devs need something to do ;) |
| 20:45.51 | lcuk | i think they are quite busy |
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| 20:46.00 | manyoso | no doubt |
| 20:46.26 | manyoso | what app do you work on? |
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| 20:47.28 | lcuk | its called liqbase (theres a yt video somewhere showing some of the old stuff) |
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| 20:56.06 | Anunakin | what packages I must install on tablet to have a simple, ./configure make make install? gcc g++ binutils make? any more? |
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| 20:56.22 | lcuk | make is easy |
| 20:56.28 | lcuk | configure and install are tough |
| 20:56.59 | johnx_ | autotools, automake, libtool probably |
| 20:57.06 | johnx_ | a whole bunch of -dev packages |
| 20:57.15 | Anunakin | ok |
| 20:57.30 | Anunakin | -dev packs are obvious... but others not |
| 20:58.16 | lcuk | you wont get autoconf on though |
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| 21:00.50 | johnx_ | build-essential is a good place to start for ideas of what you'll need |
| 21:01.57 | Anunakin | thanks |
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| 21:03.29 | GAN800 | motherfucker |
| 21:03.47 | lcuk | someone beat you to posting errors for karma? |
| 21:03.52 | GAN800 | through six pages and my sister closes the rowser. . . . |
| 21:03.56 | GAN800 | browser |
| 21:04.03 | GAN800 | sighs. |
| 21:04.13 | johnx_ | shift+ctrl+t |
| 21:04.31 | Anunakin | GAN800: On firefox? |
| 21:04.39 | GAN800 | No, session isn't saved. |
| 21:04.44 | Anunakin | try use google sync addon |
| 21:04.57 | Anunakin | this save any pages and sessions |
| 21:04.57 | johnx_ | GAN800, definitely set firefox to save the POST data |
| 21:05.01 | lcuk | johnx_, i dont tihnk that combination will strangle an annoying sister - he needs shift+ctrl+s |
| 21:05.03 | johnx_ | I used to have the same problem |
| 21:05.18 | GAN800 | I was about to copy it over to a text editor, too. |
| 21:05.26 | johnx_ | (losing posts, not strangling sibblings) |
| 21:09.26 | johnx_ | GAN800, I found the setting to tweak in "tab mix plus" but I'm pretty sure it's a native firefox setting. You could probably find it in about:config (maybe on the tablet too) |
| 21:09.59 | GAN800 | Don't use FF |
| 21:10.10 | johnx_ | safari? |
| 21:10.18 | johnx_ | or something based on gecko? |
| 21:10.23 | GAN800 | OmniWeb |
| 21:10.28 | johnx_ | O_o |
| 21:10.35 | crashanddie | GAN800, indeed, the sniping scene was quite intense |
| 21:10.48 | GAN800 | No kidding |
| 21:10.59 | crashanddie | GAN800, but I like the chopper sequence better |
| 21:11.02 | GAN800 | johnx, I love the tabs and workspaces |
| 21:11.06 | GAN800 | Hehe |
| 21:11.09 | crashanddie | literally "chopper" |
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| 21:11.28 | johnx_ | I've heard it's good, but never had a Mac where I could install anything I wanted |
| 21:11.31 | johnx_ | (had one for work) |
| 21:11.41 | GAN800 | The action sequences were good, too bad I didn't give two shits about the characters |
| 21:12.14 | crashanddie | I gave a shit about the girl |
| 21:12.17 | crashanddie | she's kinda hawt |
| 21:13.16 | GAN800 | lol |
| 21:13.37 | crashanddie | Though, the scenario wasn't all that complex, I mean, when the doc says to the kid "oh, one green and one brown, that's a genetic bla bla bla, who you got it from ?" "my mother", and then the mother manages to survive with the virus, I knew how it was gonna end :P |
| 21:13.40 | GAN800 | I coulda cared less when the soldier died. |
| 21:14.06 | crashanddie | Well, that part of the movie is quite sketchy |
| 21:14.25 | crashanddie | I mean, I can understand the army shooting everything down when they're all running about |
| 21:14.25 | GAN800 | But the sniper scene was worth everything |
| 21:14.54 | crashanddie | but when they're trying to steal a car... i mean... Djeezus, that's not some bloodthirsty fucker, that's just a healthy bloke from eastern london |
| 21:15.51 | lardman | is shocked |
| 21:16.07 | lardman | about sbc, not what you lot are talking about |
| 21:16.10 | crashanddie | oh, and btw, I thought the first one was a lot better |
| 21:16.33 | GAN800 | Most definitely |
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| 21:17.22 | lardman | GAN800: from your comment about your sister, I take it you're back home? |
| 21:17.42 | GAN800 | Yeah |
| 21:17.52 | GAN800 | Going back to school on the 25th |
| 21:17.57 | lardman | so does that mean you'll be coming to Berlin? ;) |
| 21:18.08 | crashanddie | I think quite the contrary, actually |
| 21:18.14 | GAN800 | lol, no. |
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| 21:18.50 | crashanddie | I'm just happy they used the exact same theme song |
| 21:18.52 | GAN800 | Especially not without sponsorship. |
| 21:19.22 | lardman | true, that's closed now isn't it |
| 21:19.36 | lardman | hmm, have we had a kernel update in the past few weeks? |
| 21:21.08 | GAN800 | lardman, yesterday |
| 21:21.19 | lardman | really, I must have missed that |
| 21:21.29 | lardman | mine's dated July the 16th |
| 21:21.45 | lbt | I just upgraded and now I'm fixing initfs |
| 21:22.14 | lardman | GAN800: what date does your uname -a show? |
| 21:22.16 | lbt | has anyone tried the old evkey on the new initfs? |
| 21:23.21 | GAN800 | Hrm, maybe it wasn't updatef. |
| 21:24.28 | lardman | that was the initfs, still looks like it's been updated at some point since I tried the dsp unhooking patch |
| 21:24.57 | lardman | hmm, or not, name is identical |
| 21:25.01 | lbt | my initfs was blatted during the install |
| 21:25.04 | GAN800 | kernel was flashed, though. |
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| 21:25.28 | lardman | is that automatic when initfs is updated? Or was there some change at some point, but no name change? |
| 21:25.57 | lbt | well, it rebooted into the flash OS - which wasn't upgrading so didn't carry on the updgrade process and probably didn't flash the kernel |
| 21:26.16 | lardman | not yours, in general :) |
| 21:26.33 | lbt | oh - lardman, your kernel was flashed - but to the same version? |
| 21:26.42 | lardman | yeah |
| 21:26.52 | lbt | ok |
| 21:27.02 | lardman | ~lart Gnome for always crashing the filemanager |
| 21:27.02 | infobot | drops a humongous exploding nuke on Gnome for always crashing the filemanager |
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| 21:29.27 | lardman | how does flash-and-reboot work? Can I somehow just flash a zImage? |
| 21:29.52 | lbt | nandwrite -a -p /dev/mtd2 zImage |
| 21:29.58 | lbt | I think it's mtd2 |
| 21:30.11 | lardman | lol, sounds dangerous |
| 21:30.12 | lbt | *DONT* take my word for it :) |
| 21:30.23 | lbt | In case it isn't '''blindingly obvious''' - messing with the initfs and your tablet flash can burn you. |
| 21:30.33 | lbt | (from the wiki page I'm doing) |
| 21:30.35 | ds3 | don't you usually need a flash_eraseall /dev/mtd2 first? |
| 21:30.35 | lardman | indeed |
| 21:30.44 | lbt | yes ds3 |
| 21:31.34 | lbt | https://wiki.maemo.org/Advanced_booting#Initfs_hacking |
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| 21:33.35 | lardman | nothing about flashing kernel there though is there? |
| 21:33.47 | lardman | not to mind, I used flasher-3 in the end |
| 21:33.51 | lbt | hold your horses ... :) |
| 21:34.21 | lbt | seriously - I don't know at the moment |
| 21:34.44 | lardman | I'm done now anyway, thanks for trying |
| 21:34.47 | lbt | I think I've read some hw architecture stuff on the flash area |
| 21:35.48 | lbt | the empeg car stereo has a /proc/zImage which has a write access hook |
| 21:36.09 | lbt | so copying a new zimage to /proc/zimage initiates a kernel driven flash |
| 21:36.13 | lbt | via a buffer |
| 21:36.20 | lbt | nice safe feeling |
| 21:36.22 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, I already answered that question for you on itT. :P |
| 21:36.27 | lardman | balls, still very low framerate :( |
| 21:36.39 | lbt | damn - I should have done that for the Karma. |
| 21:36.47 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: I know, I couldn't remember whether I had the right binary though |
| 21:36.49 | GeneralAntilles | flash-and-reboot is just a wrapper for fiasco-flasher |
| 21:37.08 | lardman | that sounds better, I couldn't get --help to do anything |
| 21:37.17 | GeneralAntilles | Which grabs images from /usr/share/something, feeds them to fiasco-flasher, deletes them and reboots. |
| 21:39.16 | lbt | http://lessig.org/blog/2008/08/huge_and_important_news_free_l.html |
| 21:39.35 | lbt | just saw via /. |
| 21:42.57 | lardman | hmm, still a distinct lack of frames being displayed while dsp-sbc is being used |
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| 21:43.28 | lardman | any thoughts as to how to debug this? |
| 21:44.05 | lbt | dtrace |
| 21:45.05 | lardman | how will that help? |
| 21:46.06 | lardman | hmm, sounds interesting though anyway |
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| 21:46.47 | lbt | seeing what's happening - possibly looking at elapsed times - kernel level dynamic profiling |
| 21:47.02 | lbt | not sure where that's up to for 2.6.21 though |
| 21:47.24 | lbt | it's not upstream at that point but the patches may be applicable |
| 21:47.36 | lardman | sounds painful whichever way I try it |
| 21:47.46 | lbt | (it's not dtrace though, is it? That's the sun version IIRC) |
| 21:48.03 | lbt | well, sometimes you just need printf()s |
| 21:48.14 | lardman | I've got lots of printfs :) |
| 21:48.16 | lbt | and that's a low-level way to get them ;) |
| 21:48.21 | lbt | kprintfs |
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| 21:48.25 | lardman | the code runs, it just kills video output when it runs |
| 21:51.01 | GAN800 | make it output 'Something's happening' to stdout with every function. |
| 21:51.17 | lardman | I think that may be the problem |
| 21:51.41 | lardman | wondering whether it's slowing down the kernel too much doing data transfers, then mplayer is getting upset and dropping frames |
| 21:51.43 | lbt | I was going to say - I was instrumenting Shopper to find out why it was slow |
| 21:51.53 | lbt | and when I removed the printfs - it was fine |
| 21:52.20 | lcuk | depends where and how many you have - i generally remove running debugs after i confirm things have worked |
| 21:52.35 | lbt | I have *a lot* |
| 21:52.35 | lardman | yeah, I've just converted from using bulk transfers, which the kernel does short by short (iirc), to shared memory with single shorts transferred for sync |
| 21:52.59 | lcuk | if i uncomment just 1 line i can produce over 1000 lines per frame |
| 21:53.08 | GeneralAntilles | starts over with the website bugs. |
| 21:53.19 | lcuk | i need it occasionally but theres no way i could put it in production |
| 21:53.28 | lardman | lcuk: sounds like debugging Tremor, then add on the problem that you can only capture ~100 lines ;) |
| 21:53.45 | ds3 | is dsp/tremor done? |
| 21:53.50 | lardman | ds3: no |
| 21:53.57 | ds3 | dsp/sbc? |
| 21:54.05 | lardman | ds3: yes and no |
| 21:54.14 | lardman | it works, unless you want to watch video too |
| 21:54.23 | lardman | which is what I'm trying to work out now |
| 21:54.27 | ds3 | oh so it does not coexists? |
| 21:54.50 | lardman | it coexists, just kills the video framerate if you try to use it while outputting video too |
| 21:54.53 | ds3 | can I use dsp/sbc with dsp/mp3 to play to a wireless headset? (is the bluez/plugz bits there yet?) |
| 21:54.58 | lcuk | lardman, just try something random, play an mp3 and start liqbase (if you have it) see if the performance is drastically lower |
| 21:55.03 | ds3 | I can do without the video |
| 21:55.14 | lardman | ds3: no, you can't pipe from the mp3 dsp task to the sbc task :( |
| 21:55.26 | lardman | ds3: you have to do mp3 decoding on arm atm using libmad |
| 21:55.52 | ds3 | lardman: Hmmm okay... what about the plugz/bluez bits to use the sbc task? |
| 21:55.52 | lardman | lcuk: it's not a cpu problem afaict |
| 21:56.03 | lardman | ds3: yeah, all works |
| 21:56.12 | lcuk | im thinking memory - im blitting stuff around totally for every frame |
| 21:56.30 | lardman | ds3: one day, I may port an mp3 decoder and work out how to string them together openmax stylee |
| 21:56.36 | lardman | ds3: not for a while though |
| 21:56.39 | ds3 | lardman: is this available as a deb to make media player output with sbc but use libmad for decoding? |
| 21:56.51 | lcuk | if there is a conflict between the dsp and a cpu app wanting the memory bus what happens? |
| 21:57.07 | ds3 | cpu I think has priority |
| 21:57.15 | lardman | ds3: there's a bluez-utils deb on the Garage project page, but it won't tweak the built in player, I don;t know how to do that |
| 21:57.27 | lardman | lcuk: yeah, not sure |
| 21:57.38 | ds3 | lardman: ah.. so no easy way to use A2DP headsets yet w/o a new media player |
| 21:57.42 | lardman | next step is dma for data transfer |
| 21:58.21 | lardman | ds3: no, not until Nokia open the media player, though it must be possible to tweak the conf files to change the GStreamer pipeline, I'd have thought |
| 21:58.45 | lardman | I leave that to someone else, I'll just fiddle with the encoder :) |
| 21:59.13 | ds3 | lardman: someone had a tweaked media player that fully understands OGGs so it can't be that off |
| 21:59.26 | lardman | no, I'm sure it's doable |
| 21:59.43 | crashanddie | 500GB Blu-ray, w00t |
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| 21:59.57 | lardman | you could either go for the alsa sink or there's an gstreamer sbc sink in bluez iirc |
| 21:59.58 | Raytray | boo@highlight. |
| 22:00.14 | lardman | both will use dsp-sbc if you use the tweaked version |
| 22:00.19 | crashanddie | Raytray, then fix it, not my fault if you've highlighted RAY :P |
| 22:00.30 | Raytray | At least I don't highlight for GRAY |
| 22:00.41 | crashanddie | Raytray, I used to have a highlight on "crash" |
| 22:00.55 | crashanddie | I quickly changed that when I joined #debian and ##c++ |
| 22:01.01 | Raytray | lol |
| 22:01.12 | Raytray | Not many say the word ray unless it's like blu-ray or x-ray |
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| 22:01.19 | GeneralAntilles | ray |
| 22:01.20 | ds3 | I just wish there was a central prefs option to say output to A2DP |
| 22:01.25 | Raytray | so I'm pretty much fine except for the occasional ones. |
| 22:01.26 | GeneralAntilles | Ray is so lame. |
| 22:02.02 | Raytray | Oh and then there's antilles. I think he hasn't forgotten the time he went to take a nap and we highlighted him out of it. |
| 22:02.16 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
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| 22:03.13 | crashanddie | I'm going outside for a smoke, anyone care to join me , |
| 22:03.14 | crashanddie | ? |
| 22:03.40 | crashanddie | btw, I just bought a throw-away phone |
| 22:03.52 | crashanddie | well, "just", as in "today" |
| 22:04.16 | crashanddie | went into the store, asked for a pay as you go phone, £30, I paid, they gave me the phone, I left |
| 22:04.25 | crashanddie | no names, no credit card |
| 22:04.54 | Raytray | What for? |
| 22:05.07 | lbt | best things since sliced bread .... for criminals. |
| 22:05.18 | crashanddie | lbt, agreed, it's amazing |
| 22:05.18 | lardman | so are payphones |
| 22:05.32 | crashanddie | lardman, well no, because a payphone is a bit more traceable, right ? |
| 22:05.40 | ||cw | not really |
| 22:05.48 | lbt | yeah - 'cos you'd never look twice at someone lugging a big red box down the street |
| 22:05.56 | ||cw | heh |
| 22:06.13 | aquatix | crashanddie: like the used cell tower of your phonecall isn't logged |
| 22:06.32 | lbt | did you spot the 'throw away' part? |
| 22:06.38 | aquatix | lbt: just paint it blue and put `Police box' on it |
| 22:06.40 | aquatix | lbt: yeah |
| 22:06.42 | ||cw | if oyu use the phone once, they can triangulate you, continuously, but you gotta really piss someone off for them to go through that effort |
| 22:06.54 | lbt | 'throw away' |
| 22:06.54 | aquatix | lbt: it's tracable to the throw away number :) |
| 22:07.13 | ||cw | right, but then you have prints on it |
| 22:07.14 | lbt | so, you know the phone you find in the skip was used... |
| 22:07.16 | lbt | then what? |
| 22:07.22 | lbt | nothing |
| 22:07.23 | ||cw | and survalence cameras |
| 22:07.25 | lbt | untraceable |
| 22:07.27 | aquatix | dump it into the Thames |
| 22:07.30 | lbt | bwahahahaha |
| 22:07.31 | crashanddie | I place my call, use the credit, and stick the phone in the seat in a bus, that'll keep 'em busy |
| 22:07.37 | lbt | indeed |
| 22:07.51 | aquatix | crashanddie: using hand gloves |
| 22:08.09 | crashanddie | and with a mask and glasses so the CCTV doesn't spot me |
| 22:08.33 | crashanddie | aquatix, obviously, if they're tracing a phone I bought 10 minutes ago, they know who I am |
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| 22:09.30 | crashanddie | and btw, how precise is cellphone tracking anyway ? |
| 22:09.41 | aquatix | depends |
| 22:09.42 | crashanddie | I mean, they use triangulation right ? There's always 3 towers covering my phone |
| 22:09.50 | lbt | not as good as GPS |
| 22:09.59 | crashanddie | so that gives them an area to search, at best |
| 22:10.06 | aquatix | `within 1700m' if i have to believe google maps on my phone ;) |
| 22:10.21 | aquatix | in cities it can be quite small |
| 22:10.24 | lbt | depends on how rural |
| 22:10.25 | aquatix | lots of towers |
| 22:10.31 | lardman | depends if you have access to the signal strengths from the non-owning towers I suppose |
| 22:10.33 | aquatix | s/towers/cells |
| 22:10.48 | aquatix | that too |
| 22:11.00 | aquatix | crashanddie: what are you planning and how can i get in? ;) |
| 22:11.22 | crashanddie | anyway, a helluva lot of work, just to trace a phone that just has been bought, and whose owner is basically non-identified |
| 22:11.54 | crashanddie | so I can fairly confirm what I said earlier, vodaphone pay as you talk phones: awesome |
| 22:12.06 | lbt | (if you're a criminal) |
| 22:12.17 | lbt | (otherwise just convenient) |
| 22:12.21 | crashanddie | I mean, for 30 quid, I'd buy something like that just to call my mistress, or if I do industrial espionage |
| 22:12.30 | lbt | good point |
| 22:12.31 | aquatix | lbt: or for someone who likes his privacy |
| 22:12.34 | lbt | where do I sign up |
| 22:12.49 | aquatix | that's the point: no sign up ;) |
| 22:12.58 | lbt | <sigh> |
| 22:13.03 | lbt | are you american? |
| 22:13.10 | aquatix | no, but i might be stupid |
| 22:13.14 | lbt | :D |
| 22:13.21 | crashanddie | you should apply for a green card then :D |
| 22:13.32 | aquatix | is comfortable where he is |
| 22:13.49 | lbt | http://www.teknikoffice.co.uk/products/Response.aspx |
| 22:13.51 | lbt | ? |
| 22:13.51 | aquatix | besides, english is a second language for me and i'm dozing off |
| 22:13.56 | crashanddie | or, if you're having problems, I now a girl who's willing to marry for just under ten grand |
| 22:14.09 | lbt | pesos? |
| 22:14.15 | lbt | lira? |
| 22:14.19 | lardman | is that "I'm now" or "I know"? :D |
| 22:14.26 | lbt | this is irc |
| 22:14.31 | lbt | "I'm now" |
| 22:14.38 | crashanddie | s/I now/I know/ |
| 22:14.44 | crashanddie | it's because of the cockney accent |
| 22:14.49 | lbt | told you he was a criminal |
| 22:14.52 | lardman | :) |
| 22:14.52 | crashanddie | we tend to say "know" as "now" |
| 22:15.18 | aquatix | crashanddie: is she hot? |
| 22:15.27 | lbt | for ten g she'd better be |
| 22:15.28 | aquatix | has some monopoly money left |
| 22:15.37 | lardman | imagines crashanddie in a wig, hmm |
| 22:15.45 | aquatix | eek |
| 22:15.52 | aquatix | hm |
| 22:15.58 | lbt | and you'd need at least 20 nights to get your money's worth |
| 22:16.02 | aquatix | reminds me i don't even know how to picture crashanddie without wig |
| 22:16.08 | aquatix | lbt: :D |
| 22:16.37 | crashanddie | I'm troubled by having an IRC channel trying to picture me, with or without a wig |
| 22:16.43 | lbt | i shouldn't be typing this stuff mixed in with rebuilding initfs |
| 22:16.44 | lardman | anyway, the dspmp3 task can be used to decode audio without clobbering mplayer, but I guess that's less bandwidth and larger chunks too probably |
| 22:16.57 | crashanddie | lbt, where you from ? |
| 22:17.01 | lardman | crashanddie: me too, nightmares tonight for sure! |
| 22:17.01 | aquatix | lardman: stop being so on-topic |
| 22:17.11 | lbt | Reading now, Cheshire b4, |
| 22:17.12 | aquatix | lardman: heheheh |
| 22:17.13 | lardman | aquatix: soooorrry |
| 22:17.18 | aquatix | lardman: /me runs |
| 22:17.26 | aquatix | i need sleep |
| 22:17.28 | lardman | nah, don't worry :) |
| 22:17.37 | aquatix | otherwise i'll only polute $irc more |
| 22:17.46 | lardman | aquatix: :) night night then |
| 22:18.03 | aquatix | nn |
| 22:18.06 | lbt | yeah - I gotta go too |
| 22:18.10 | lbt | 'night all |
| 22:18.19 | lardman | night lbt |
| 22:18.31 | crashanddie | lol... |
| 22:18.42 | crashanddie | I was trying to find "Cheshire b4" on google maps |
| 22:19.02 | crashanddie | until I asked myself the question "why is he telling me he's reading at the moment ?" |
| 22:19.28 | GeneralAntilles | Does anybody even bother to copyedit this stuff before publishing it? :\ |
| 22:19.50 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: copyediting irc? |
| 22:19.50 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: what's that? |
| 22:19.57 | GeneralAntilles | maemo.org |
| 22:20.01 | aquatix | ah :) |
| 22:20.03 | GeneralAntilles | Going through the development section. |
| 22:20.24 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: i did that for one person for the maemo4 stuff |
| 22:20.28 | aquatix | has respect for GeneralAntilles, our quality control guy |
| 22:20.36 | aquatix | and i don't yest |
| 22:20.50 | aquatix | jest |
| 22:20.52 | aquatix | whatever |
| 22:21.15 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: just wanting to say you rock for putting so much effort in the sites |
| 22:21.23 | GeneralAntilles | I do what I can. ;) |
| 22:21.26 | aquatix | falls asleep on his keyboard |
| 22:21.52 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: yeah, but i guess it can be frustrating at times |
| 22:21.57 | aquatix | anyways, nn |
| 22:22.02 | GeneralAntilles | night |
| 22:22.09 | lardman | night GeneralAntilles |
| 22:22.16 | lardman | lol |
| 22:22.18 | GeneralAntilles | @aquatix, lardman. :P |
| 22:22.21 | lardman | wrong end of the stick |
| 22:22.25 | aquatix | :) |
| 22:22.28 | GeneralAntilles | maemo.org is less frustrating than Maemo Software |
| 22:22.34 | lardman | night mk2 aquatix |
| 22:22.37 | timelyx | but no, in general almost everyone here isn't a native speaker |
| 22:22.42 | GeneralAntilles | At least there are maemo.org people at hand to accost. |
| 22:23.21 | aquatix | lardman: thanks |
| 22:23.25 | aquatix | finally gone |
| 22:23.29 | GeneralAntilles | timelyx, it's not even that, really, but consistency in heading levels, capitalization, punctuation, etc. |
| 22:23.55 | timelyx | they don't spot those sorts of things either :( |
| 22:24.30 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm, this corrections list is getting a little long. |
| 22:24.33 | lardman | Right, my dsp task, while decoding stereo 16bit pcm data at 48000Hz, receives 512bytes of data 375 times per second and sends 78bytes of data 375 times per second |
| 22:24.45 | lardman | does anyone think that is alot? |
| 22:24.46 | GeneralAntilles | I guess I'll break the bugs down into smaller groups. |
| 22:25.09 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: less chance of a sibling loosing the whole lot too ;) |
| 22:25.19 | lardman | s/loosing/losing |
| 22:25.23 | GeneralAntilles | Doing it in a text editor this time. :D |
| 22:25.48 | lardman | the worst one is bloody online application forms, I spend ages, click send and it's timed out |
| 22:25.57 | lardman | I do every thing in a text editor now and paste it at the end |
| 22:26.24 | crashanddie | 375 ? |
| 22:26.37 | lardman | yeah, I think that works out? |
| 22:27.33 | crashanddie | something doesn't add up |
| 22:28.01 | lardman | 48000 x 2 channels x 2 bytes/512 bytes = 375 bytes/second |
| 22:28.20 | lardman | scratch that |
| 22:28.24 | crashanddie | lol |
| 22:28.26 | lardman | 375 transfers/second |
| 22:28.29 | crashanddie | yeah |
| 22:28.38 | crashanddie | 192000 bytes/second |
| 22:28.45 | lardman | yep |
| 22:29.22 | crashanddie | that's like what, 180kbytes/s |
| 22:29.22 | lardman | what's the average byterate for mp3s? |
| 22:29.27 | crashanddie | for PCM audio ? |
| 22:29.32 | crashanddie | 192kbit/s ? |
| 22:29.45 | crashanddie | so 24kbyte/s |
| 22:30.01 | lardman | is that the output, I'd like to know the input |
| 22:30.07 | crashanddie | ??? |
| 22:30.25 | lardman | I can work it out actually, 5Mb file is ~3min for example |
| 22:30.34 | crashanddie | mp3 can be anywhere between 64kbit/s and 320kbit/s |
| 22:30.39 | lardman | to compare with the dsp-mp3 task which doesn't seem to slow down video |
| 22:30.42 | crashanddie | but 192 is pretty decent |
| 22:30.58 | crashanddie | 192 is your average movie sound |
| 22:31.15 | crashanddie | 128 or 96 is your low-quality soundtrack |
| 22:32.08 | crashanddie | 192kbit/s = 24kbyte/s / 375 = 64bytes |
| 22:32.56 | lardman | yeah, so I'm almost an order of magnitude above that |
| 22:33.13 | crashanddie | lardman, so when you say you're sending out 78bytes at 375hz, you're around 234kbit/s, a bit higher and you're at 256 |
| 22:33.35 | lardman | yep |
| 22:33.59 | lardman | I guess this may be a fundamental limitation of trying to pass so much data back and forth |
| 22:34.14 | crashanddie | probably |
| 22:34.16 | lardman | would be better to decode mp3 and then encode sbc on the dsp in one go |
| 22:34.45 | lardman | I'm just wondering how much more time to spend fiddling with the code in the hope I can stop the video slow-down |
| 22:34.50 | crashanddie | are you trying to do real time mp3 encoding from a PCM data source, or just playing mp3 ? |
| 22:35.06 | lardman | ah no, am doing sbc encoding from mp3 via libmad |
| 22:35.14 | lardman | for output to bt headphones |
| 22:35.29 | crashanddie | sbc encoding ? |
| 22:35.31 | lardman | the pcm data comes from libmad and crosses to the dsp |
| 22:35.39 | lardman | sbc is the codec for the BT headsets |
| 22:35.41 | GeneralAntilles | 38 corrections for http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_3-x_bora/ <_< |
| 22:36.17 | crashanddie | sub band coding or smart bitrate control ? |
| 22:36.26 | lardman | sub-band |
| 22:36.28 | crashanddie | k |
| 22:36.40 | lardman | low complexity sub band codec to give it its full name |
| 22:37.26 | timelyx | andre____: ping |
| 22:37.26 | crashanddie | ok, so basically just removing the parts of the audio we don't need |
| 22:37.33 | lardman | yeah |
| 22:37.38 | andre____ | timelyx, pong |
| 22:37.51 | lcuk | lardman, have you got a britney filter and stuff in there? |
| 22:38.16 | crashanddie | lcuk, no, but we're working on a northerner filter |
| 22:38.21 | lardman | lcuk: I steer clear of Britney, one mention and viruses are all you get |
| 22:38.43 | lcuk | crashanddie, if you watched the news yesterday you would know just how right you are |
| 22:38.56 | crashanddie | lol ? |
| 22:39.00 | crashanddie | What you talking about ? |
| 22:39.34 | lcuk | http://londonist.com/2008/08/northern_cities_doomed_says_unthink.php |
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| 22:40.51 | blafasel | crashanddie: Are you french? |
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| 22:41.35 | lardman | yeah, I heard that, raze them to the ground! |
| 22:41.48 | lcuk | on the face of it its true |
| 22:41.58 | lcuk | but it will just end up like other mega cities |
| 22:42.11 | crashanddie | blafasel, i've lived in France, why ? |
| 22:42.26 | lcuk | we need our heritage towns |
| 22:43.59 | lcuk | puts his head back into code |
| 22:44.05 | blafasel | crashanddie: Don't hit me. Over here it's called "plenken", i.e. it's uncommon to add spaces before question marks, etc. "Are you alright?" (no space). The french people have rules that explicitly ask for that spaces, so I was just curious ;) |
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| 22:45.59 | GeneralAntilles | thatsalottacorrections https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3570 |
| 22:46.02 | crashanddie | blafasel, in fact, it's curious you would say that, I've always been corrected, here in France, for spacing my question marks |
| 22:46.30 | crashanddie | blafasel, they don't like it, at all, I just do, don't know why, some genetic shit, I guess |
| 22:46.32 | GeneralAntilles | Spacing punctuation like that just pisses me off. |
| 22:46.43 | crashanddie | oh really ? |
| 22:46.57 | GeneralAntilles | simmers. |
| 22:47.07 | blafasel | Hehe. Funny. |
| 22:48.51 | crashanddie | anyway, I've done enough harm here these days, 'night |
| 22:49.09 | blafasel | I didn't plan to start a war on that. It's entirely uncommon (*cough*wrong*cough*) here (Germany), but it might be just the right thing to do elsewhere. So this was really just a question out of curiousity. I mean here are lots of different nationalities. |
| 22:49.24 | blafasel | Hmpf. |
| 22:50.03 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: wow |
| 22:50.08 | blafasel | For kicks and giggles and to see what I was talking about: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plenk |
| 22:50.42 | GeneralAntilles | The Bora page was probably hard-wrapped and got messed up when moved to midgard. |
| 22:52.31 | GeneralAntilles | So, should I wait until I get a response on the corrections for before starting on the next section or just plug ahead? |
| 22:52.41 | GeneralAntilles | s/for/form/ |
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| 22:59.10 | lardman | bed time for me, see you chaps tomorrow |
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