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| 00:13.02 | t_s_o | hmm, did the media player get a slight interface update? |
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| 00:29.03 | t_s_o | hmm, i do hope that nokia makes a in hardware way for future tablets to boot of a SD card or similar |
| 00:36.02 | GeneralAntilles | t_s_o, recovery mode? |
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| 00:36.08 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, that would be rather cool |
| 00:36.26 | GeneralAntilles | Actually, there _IS_ a recovery mode that's been implemented as part of SSU. |
| 00:36.35 | t_s_o | yep, maybe with some way to do a serial terminal pr usb or something ;) |
| 00:36.41 | GeneralAntilles | I have no idea how it's activated, nor how it works, though. |
| 00:36.46 | t_s_o | figures |
| 00:37.03 | GeneralAntilles | I've only heard it mentioned twice. |
| 00:37.12 | GeneralAntilles | So it may not be entirely up-to-speed, though. |
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| 00:38.01 | t_s_o | ok |
| 00:39.23 | t_s_o | still, with how much the backups store of settings and other data, doing a reflash is not that much of a issue any more |
| 00:39.40 | t_s_o | annoying, but not much of a checklist |
| 00:40.03 | t_s_o | i see that the app manager will even tell you its a good idea to do a backup and supply a button for it so |
| 00:41.11 | t_s_o | my major issue was that is had the lib issue and tried to use -unlocked via apt-get. that resulted in some error or other and dead wifi... |
| 00:41.12 | ds3 | GeneralAntilles: you mean the ability of the processor to boot of the SD card in place of the NAND? |
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| 00:53.35 | t_s_o | hmm, super soaker with ice cubes. pass the vodka ;) |
| 00:55.32 | t_s_o | meh, off to bed |
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| 01:04.31 | GAN800 | ds3, well, anything really. |
| 01:05.07 | GAN800 | Something that'd be easy for newbies to use and worked with the shipped software set preferably. |
| 01:12.59 | ds3 | GAN800: the feature I am thinking of is far not newbie friendly |
| 01:13.04 | ds3 | s/far// |
| 01:26.15 | ryoohki | has nokia said when the n810 wimax version is coming out? |
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| 01:27.12 | GAN800 | ryookhi, 'summer 2008' |
| 01:27.33 | GAN800 | It's highly dependent on Sprint getting their shit together, though. |
| 01:32.32 | mikkov_ | and that is dependent on when ex Nokia Networks get's their shit together? |
| 01:32.42 | mikkov_ | gets |
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| 01:46.27 | Capn_Fish | My system just updated, as did the initfs. Since I'm running Debian off of my SD card, that's no good, so I went to reflash it, but fanoush's initfs flasher says "unknown initfs version 2008-29" How can I flash my initfs back so I can use Debian? |
| 01:47.22 | trev0r | doesn't debian run really slow |
| 01:47.32 | Capn_Fish | No |
| 01:47.37 | Capn_Fish | It runs quite nicely |
| 01:47.55 | Capn_Fish | It's FAR superior to Maemo |
| 01:48.59 | trev0r | really? |
| 01:49.38 | trev0r | weird |
| 01:49.50 | Capn_Fish | What makes you think it's slow? |
| 01:50.18 | trev0r | on what, n810? |
| 01:50.31 | Capn_Fish | Ya |
| 01:51.23 | trev0r | lack of ram and a slow cpu i would think |
| 01:52.00 | aspect | what makes it superior to Maemo? |
| 01:53.07 | Capn_Fish | You can pick your WM, you can run standard apps on it, there's more software available for it, it gets regular updates, etc. |
| 01:53.11 | Capn_Fish | Take your pick |
| 01:53.35 | aspect | they're all good reasons :) |
| 01:53.50 | trev0r | what browser do you use in it |
| 01:53.53 | Capn_Fish | Oh, and readily available onboard development tools |
| 01:53.56 | Capn_Fish | Epiphany-gecko |
| 01:54.03 | Capn_Fish | With Flash support :) |
| 01:54.15 | aspect | lack of hildon might be a bit annoying, but I'm sure that can be worked around with a bit of effort |
| 01:54.32 | Capn_Fish | Debian HAS Hildon packages, not that I'd want them |
| 01:54.42 | aspect | only onboard development tool I want is tcl/tk ... bugger compiling on a pocket device :) |
| 01:54.54 | Capn_Fish | Nah. It's not too bad |
| 01:54.59 | trev0r | how's the speed ? |
| 01:55.06 | Capn_Fish | Better than on a Zaurus |
| 01:55.09 | trev0r | of ghe browser |
| 01:55.23 | Capn_Fish | I'd say on par, maybe a little slower, than the default in Maemo |
| 01:59.50 | trev0r | groovy |
| 02:00.07 | Capn_Fish | It is quite nice |
| 02:01.17 | Capn_Fish | http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet |
| 02:01.20 | Capn_Fish | Have fun |
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| 02:10.30 | Capn_Fish | Oh, I just needed to download the latest initfs_flasher from fanoush's site :P |
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| 02:46.26 | smackpotato1 | 4.2008.23-14 am i missing a repository |
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| 03:38.44 | chmac | Can anyone recommend a password manager for maemo? I want to keep my encrypted password list in sync between my laptop and tablet |
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| 04:37.26 | Italodance | . |
| 04:38.23 | terbo | ^ |
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| 04:44.54 | bef0rd | v |
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| 04:54.52 | burnte | am I the only guy that the new update borked/ |
| 04:54.53 | burnte | ? |
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| 05:00.20 | bef0rd | <t_s_o> reflash after a borked ssu upgrade... |
| 05:00.29 | burnte | oh, I already did |
| 05:00.30 | burnte | hours ago |
| 05:00.34 | burnte | I was just hoping I wasn't alone |
| 05:00.41 | burnte | misery loves company. |
| 05:00.47 | burnte | I'm reloading apps and such now. |
| 05:00.55 | bef0rd | heh, it seem to have failed for t_s_o too |
| 05:01.02 | bef0rd | it worked ok for me though |
| 05:01.11 | doc|home | new flash image? |
| 05:01.14 | burnte | Funny, my SD card came in today, and I was thinking, "Boy, now I an work on backing up the entire partition... |
| 05:01.25 | burnte | doc|home: No, slipstreamed upgrade |
| 05:01.29 | doc|home | oh well bugger |
| 05:01.30 | burnte | downlaodable, no reflashing needed |
| 05:01.34 | burnte | well |
| 05:01.37 | burnte | let me rephrase that |
| 05:01.39 | doc|home | not such a good thing then :) |
| 05:01.40 | burnte | none SHOULD be needed. |
| 05:01.45 | doc|home | heh |
| 05:01.57 | burnte | in my case, and the case of a few others, yes. |
| 05:04.21 | bef0rd | burnte, did you have a bootmenu installed? |
| 05:04.37 | burnte | nope |
| 05:04.47 | burnte | RD mode, root access, btu no boot menu |
| 05:10.34 | burnte | can anyone else get to maemo.org? |
| 05:10.39 | bef0rd | tries |
| 05:10.57 | bef0rd | Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at maemo.org |
| 05:11.02 | burnte | I can't from PA, another friend can't from Florida, so... yeah |
| 05:11.04 | burnte | I thought so |
| 05:11.18 | burnte | this is obviously a concerted effort to keep me from having a working tbalet. |
| 05:11.29 | burnte | forst they break my tablet with their "update" then they keep me from my apps. |
| 05:11.35 | burnte | EVERYONE IS OUT TO GET ME! |
| 05:11.54 | acydlord | lol |
| 05:12.00 | acydlord | tried flushing your dns cache? |
| 05:12.47 | burnte | yes, although I doubt everyone was using my same DNS server. :) |
| 05:13.33 | burnte | there's a router or server down |
| 05:13.37 | burnte | hops fail after 62.176.60.162 |
| 05:14.14 | bef0rd | maybe they applied the update and it broke the n800 webserver |
| 05:14.16 | bef0rd | :P |
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| 05:14.24 | burnte | that's it! |
| 05:14.35 | burnte | they tested the update on a production server, like any sensible admin would. |
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| 05:16.43 | bef0rd | lol |
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| 05:18.26 | chmac | Was there a recent update that caused problems? |
| 05:18.45 | burnte | indeed. |
| 05:18.50 | chmac | I think I've got some updates pending... |
| 05:18.56 | chmac | burnte: What was the update? |
| 05:18.59 | bef0rd | it didnt cause any problem for me :P |
| 05:19.35 | burnte | ChanServ: The OS2008 update |
| 05:19.48 | chmac | Have you guys managed to get a tool that safely stores passwords on both desktop / tablet? |
| 05:19.49 | burnte | bef0rd: That's becaus eyou're obviously in on everything. |
| 05:20.15 | burnte | chmac: Post-It notes are secure enough for me! |
| 05:20.15 | chmac | burnte: You mean the flash update to OS2008? Or is it something that downloaded through application manager? |
| 05:20.26 | chmac | burnte: Not very portable though! :) |
| 05:20.29 | burnte | chmac: The slipstreamed update. |
| 05:21.31 | chmac | burnte: Not sure what that is. Something I have to specifically download? Or will it try to auto-install? |
| 05:21.51 | burnte | AFAIK nothing automatically downloads |
| 05:21.54 | burnte | most people have been fine |
| 05:21.57 | bef0rd | try to click 'check updates' |
| 05:22.02 | burnte | but a few unlucky soulds got borked |
| 05:22.18 | bef0rd | then you can choose if you want to download it or not |
| 05:22.29 | chmac | I install all the repos from that list, so it takes forever to get updates, etc |
| 05:24.50 | chmac | Looks like gringotts might be the best choice... |
| 05:25.11 | chmac | Has a desktop and a tablet client... :) |
| 05:28.48 | bef0rd | cool, didn't know the built in image viewer also included some basic editing stuff :) |
| 05:31.06 | RST38h | moo all |
| 05:35.50 | burnte | moo. |
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| 05:47.08 | chmac | Anyone else using Gringotts? |
| 05:47.15 | chmac | I've just installed, but it's missing a lib... |
| 05:54.37 | moontiger | did they fix the bluetooth PAN issue with this update at all? |
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| 06:22.56 | Mace_ | hi |
| 06:23.01 | Mace_ | anybody here use att for their connection? |
| 06:23.04 | Mace_ | using bt? |
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| 06:27.51 | zap | try to divide the number of the users on this channel by the number of internet users worldwide, and then multiply it by the number of att customers |
| 06:28.02 | zap | you'll get the approximative probability of this happening |
| 06:28.26 | zap | ah yes, and multiply by the number of users using BT divided by the overall number of internet users |
| 06:28.47 | zap | My estimated guess is something like, 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% |
| 06:33.03 | GAN800 | Mace_, I am. |
| 06:33.16 | zap | oh! this is a wonder! |
| 06:33.32 | zap | (wonder == very little chance event happening) |
| 06:33.34 | GAN800 | moontiger, no, the dummy connection fixed were not pushed. |
| 06:33.55 | GAN800 | eyeroll @ zap |
| 06:34.07 | zap | ;) |
| 06:34.14 | GAN800 | maemo.org working for anybody else? |
| 06:34.34 | zap | nope |
| 06:34.40 | zap | Connection to 62.61.85.38 Failed |
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| 06:38.30 | bef0rd | internet is broken :X |
| 06:39.51 | zap | it is 0wned |
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| 06:42.03 | qwerty12 | is patiently waiting for kernel-source-diablo to be updated |
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| 06:43.19 | Sargun | Is http://www.maemo.org/ unavailable? |
| 06:43.21 | Sargun | ughj |
| 06:43.33 | Sargun | I need the scratchbox install script |
| 06:43.36 | Sargun | stupid |
| 06:43.59 | bef0rd | I believe its available at tablets-dev.nokia.com (dunno if that site is down too) |
| 06:44.10 | bef0rd | Service Unavailable |
| 06:44.27 | bef0rd | pwnt |
| 06:46.14 | Sargun | uh |
| 06:46.18 | Sargun | someone call nokia |
| 06:46.20 | Sargun | :-P |
| 06:48.12 | GeneralAntilles | _marcell_, fix maemo.org. :( |
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| 07:09.28 | Sargun | thanks |
| 07:09.31 | Sargun | moontiger, |
| 07:09.40 | moontiger | ;) |
| 07:09.40 | Sargun | but I can't DCC :-( |
| 07:09.49 | moontiger | eesh ... do u have email? |
| 07:09.49 | Sargun | I'll get it in the mornin |
| 07:09.51 | Sargun | g |
| 07:09.53 | moontiger | oh ok |
| 07:09.56 | Sargun | thanks though |
| 07:10.01 | Sargun | its almost time to get some Zs. |
| 07:10.07 | moontiger | me too :) |
| 07:10.12 | moontiger | where u at? |
| 07:10.49 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: It seems the ISP doesn't know how to read calendars. |
| 07:10.58 | GeneralAntilles | Ahaha |
| 07:11.00 | GeneralAntilles | Awesome. |
| 07:11.24 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: So the servers are now in a truck :( |
| 07:11.36 | moontiger | ??!! |
| 07:11.46 | doc|home | you stole the servers?! |
| 07:11.50 | doc|home | calls the cops |
| 07:11.51 | X-Fade | Moving to another datacenter. |
| 07:12.00 | moontiger | nooooo way! |
| 07:12.05 | doc|home | oh yeah, says he with the "SWAG" bag |
| 07:12.29 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade's getting a new server farm for his basement. |
| 07:12.33 | doc|home | hah |
| 07:12.44 | qwerty12 | goes and hijacks a truck in Finland. dsme source code for all! |
| 07:13.41 | GeneralAntilles | Wrong server, qwerty12. ;) |
| 07:13.42 | X-Fade | qwerty12: heh, I'm pretty sure it is not in there.. |
| 07:14.16 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles: Hmm, so garage isn't hosted on that server? |
| 07:14.22 | qwerty12 | X-Fade: hehe |
| 07:15.01 | qwerty12 | It's a shame dsme-commits and dsme-devel are dead :( |
| 07:15.09 | qwerty12 | I learnt a lot by signing up though... |
| 07:16.25 | *** topic/#maemo by GeneralAntilles -> http://maemo.org is currently down for scheduled maintenance (one day early) | Maemo Summit: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | Create the new maemo.org logo: https://wiki.maemo.org/maemo.org_logo_contest | logs at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ | http://mxr.maemo.org |
| 07:16.50 | GeneralAntilles | Anyway, I'm no longer hungry. Back to bed with me. You guys have fun with the hordes of confused newbies. ;) |
| 07:17.12 | X-Fade | lol. |
| 07:17.21 | qwerty12 | gets the guns out. time to go on a newbie hunt. |
| 07:17.31 | RST38h | gnight |
| 07:19.15 | moontiger | nn all :) |
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| 07:49.29 | samppa | estimated downtime left ? |
| 07:49.40 | XTL | 7hrs? |
| 07:49.54 | XTL | Heh, there's an i-am-free app |
| 07:50.00 | samppa | :D |
| 07:50.05 | samppa | 7hours ?? |
| 07:50.17 | X-Fade | samppa: That is worst case.. |
| 07:50.35 | X-Fade | samppa: But it will probably be back sooner. |
| 07:50.39 | XTL | So make it 9 |
| 07:50.46 | samppa | ok :) |
| 07:50.54 | aquatix | XTL: yeah, too bad it needs python :) |
| 07:51.03 | X-Fade | Angry calls can go to the ISP :) |
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| 07:51.24 | samppa | :) |
| 07:52.12 | aquatix | am i reading right that the servers of maemo.org are being moved? |
| 07:52.26 | qwerty12 | X-Fade: Do they speak English? (My knowledge of English swearing is greater than my knowledge of Finnish or Dutch ones :)) |
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| 07:52.50 | X-Fade | qwerty12: Oh, I'm sure you will get the message across ;) |
| 07:53.09 | XTL | Finnish does have a more tanglible edge to it, done properly |
| 07:53.22 | X-Fade | But apart from them being a day early, we would have the same situation tomorrow.. |
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| 07:55.27 | samppa | so is this downtime becouse of isp ? |
| 07:56.02 | X-Fade | Harware is being moved to another datacenter. |
| 07:56.10 | liri | aquatix: I got liferea installed on the NIT and guess what |
| 07:56.12 | qwerty12 | Go on X-Fade, you know you want to don your Superman outfit and get the Servers back of the trucks |
| 07:56.17 | qwerty12 | *servers |
| 07:56.23 | liri | aquatix: it still refused to get some of those RSS, said they were invalid |
| 07:56.35 | liri | aquatix: I found one RSS feed that it accepted but it didn't display hebrew :) |
| 07:56.39 | liri | so no luck for me there |
| 07:56.50 | aquatix | liri: hm :( |
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| 07:57.06 | legind | interesting |
| 07:57.08 | samppa | so is this going to be the end for maemo.org lagging ? |
| 07:57.14 | legind | actually the nameservers are down too |
| 07:57.17 | aquatix | liri: i guess you would have to mail the site owners with some feedvalidator.org results |
| 07:57.21 | legind | try to ping ns.nokia.com |
| 07:57.28 | legind | try to ping ns2.nokia.com |
| 07:57.30 | legind | nothin |
| 07:57.53 | liri | aquatix: yeah and I'll doubt they would actually take that into consideration :) |
| 07:57.54 | aquatix | nokia.com works though |
| 07:58.00 | legind | yeah |
| 07:58.06 | liri | aquatix: the weird thing is that the same website works fine on liferea on Ubuntu |
| 07:58.12 | aquatix | liri: well, it's their feeds, and they are invalid |
| 07:58.15 | liri | aquatix: so as it happens the versions DO differ! |
| 07:58.19 | aquatix | oh |
| 07:58.21 | X-Fade | legind: That has nothing to do with this ;) |
| 07:58.22 | aquatix | weird |
| 07:58.52 | liri | yep |
| 07:58.53 | legind | X-Fade, I'm sure its related |
| 07:59.17 | X-Fade | legind: Well, then I won't argue with you. |
| 07:59.38 | trickie|work | :) |
| 08:01.04 | tbf | wtf? maemo.org down? |
| 08:01.29 | trickie|work | see topic |
| 08:01.48 | tbf | trickie|work: uh. |
| 08:02.21 | qwerty12 | * Topic for #maemo is: http://maemo.org is currently down for scheduled maintenance (one day early) |
| 08:02.24 | qwerty12 | Says it all to me |
| 08:02.45 | tbf | doesn't understand the meaning of "one day early" |
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| 08:03.19 | legind | ah I wasn't aware it was scheduled |
| 08:03.20 | qwerty12 | This email was sent: "Our ISP is transferring the *.maemo.org servers to a new hosting center. |
| 08:03.20 | qwerty12 | Because of this, all servers will be down on the 13th of August, between |
| 08:03.20 | qwerty12 | 07:45 and 17:00 (EEST)." |
| 08:03.37 | qwerty12 | As you can see, it's not the 13th of August and the ISP decided to jump the gun :( |
| 08:04.01 | aquatix | isp's are weird that way |
| 08:04.19 | tbf | not quite professionel to shutdown the old servers before the move |
| 08:04.36 | XTL | Yep. They can have your servers shut down and moved halfway to a new rack without you knowing anything about it |
| 08:04.48 | XTL | (Not that that ever happened to me, no..) |
| 08:05.17 | XTL | And when you bring in new ones, you find someone's UE sitting in your dedicated cabinet. |
| 08:05.28 | tbf | if my hoster would do that to me, it'd terminate the contract immediatly |
| 08:05.42 | XTL | But I don't do that anymore. Ahh.. |
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| 08:05.55 | Khertan | Hi ! |
| 08:06.06 | Khertan | does someone have access to maemo.org ? |
| 08:06.13 | tbf | Khertan: see topic |
| 08:06.14 | qwerty12 | * Topic for #maemo is: http://maemo.org is currently down for scheduled maintenance (one day early) |
| 08:06.38 | Khertan | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22733&page=16 |
| 08:06.38 | tbf | Khertan: obviously Nokia hired the cheapest of all cheap web hosters for running maemo.org |
| 08:06.40 | Khertan | :) |
| 08:06.47 | Khertan | lol haven't see topic :) |
| 08:06.48 | Khertan | thx |
| 08:07.15 | Khertan | tbf > the hoster isn't bad ... just the driver of the 33.6k modem is unstable |
| 08:07.19 | qwerty12 | lol |
| 08:07.25 | tbf | hehe |
| 08:07.28 | Khertan | surely a win modem used under linux |
| 08:07.33 | Mek | damn... lovely planning... shutting down *.maemo.org almost at the same time as 100 free devices will be given to hackers at Akademy... |
| 08:08.02 | Khertan | there is more bad ... when many user get notifications of an diablo update ... |
| 08:08.05 | Khertan | ;) |
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| 08:08.47 | X-Fade | Khertan: That is not related. |
| 08:08.57 | qwerty12 | When there is a new diablo SSU update, do the FIASCO images get updated? |
| 08:08.59 | Khertan | someone know something about lightning session ? |
| 08:09.04 | Khertan | X-Fade > i know |
| 08:09.09 | Khertan | someone know something about lightning session organization ? |
| 08:09.10 | Khertan | :) |
| 08:09.16 | Khertan | a word was missing :) |
| 08:09.30 | Khertan | X-Fade > just kidding ... |
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| 08:15.14 | Khertan | using windows at work is really annoying ! |
| 08:16.11 | bef0rd | s/work/*/ |
| 08:16.22 | bef0rd | :P |
| 08:16.25 | Khertan | yep :) |
| 08:16.27 | Khertan | thx |
| 08:18.12 | Khertan | each right click on a folder kill the explorer.exe |
| 08:18.24 | Khertan | copy a file ... lag of 30s |
| 08:18.39 | Khertan | i think something is wrong in the db registry |
| 08:18.54 | melmoth | X-Fade: you here ? |
| 08:19.24 | Khertan | ccleaner ... 552 dll missing |
| 08:19.25 | Khertan | lol |
| 08:19.32 | qwerty12 | Khertan: probably a dodgy shell extension loaded |
| 08:19.47 | qwerty12 | iirc http://nirsoft.net has a tool that can disable them |
| 08:19.48 | mbuf | one day downtime is from which timezone? |
| 08:19.59 | Khertan | yep ... this was that ... a dodgy shell extension where dll is missing |
| 08:20.15 | Khertan | ccleaner clean the registry and now work really better |
| 08:20.40 | X-Fade | melmoth: yep |
| 08:20.47 | X-Fade | mbuf: UTC-24? :) |
| 08:20.49 | Khertan | i m surprised as ... i ve only install a few things on this developpment workstation |
| 08:21.03 | Khertan | glade / 4D / 7z |
| 08:21.23 | Khertan | firefox, mirc, thunderbird |
| 08:21.27 | Khertan | and nothing else |
| 08:22.45 | Khertan | rha .... it s come back again ... |
| 08:24.29 | egypt | anyone know if the cx3110x is capable of injection? |
| 08:25.42 | mbuf | X-Fade, :) |
| 08:26.08 | melmoth | X-Fade: remember the bugzilla 3416 ? (autoubild binary content change according to final architecture.) |
| 08:26.33 | melmoth | i was wondering if something was supposed to happen on it (ie, is somebody assigned to look at it) ? |
| 08:26.48 | melmoth | or if i should consider building a repo. |
| 08:26.59 | Khertan | melmoth > BAD IDEA ! |
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| 08:27.47 | melmoth | Note that, because i already pushed successfully one library (clucene-core) in diablo extras, using the chinook binary ends up in a broken install |
| 08:27.51 | X-Fade | melmoth: Ed is back from holiday. I will remind him about it again.. |
| 08:28.05 | melmoth | thanks. |
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| 08:38.58 | sven-tek | Hi |
| 08:39.31 | sven-tek | is there a way to backup my n800 with image-file? |
| 08:42.56 | sven-tek | creating a image, which i can flash back to the device would be cool |
| 08:43.30 | aquatix | you can create a backup with the backup tool |
| 08:43.41 | aquatix | it will restore almost anything after a flash |
| 08:43.46 | aquatix | even installed programs |
| 08:44.14 | aquatix | gives you a list with checkboxes which applications you want to install again |
| 08:44.29 | aquatix | worked well here |
| 08:44.37 | XTL | A cleanly treated system should come up well with those, yes. |
| 08:44.51 | XTL | And it won't back up everything (including breakage) |
| 08:44.59 | qwerty12 | mtd-tools will backup everything |
| 08:45.18 | XTL | System gets rebuilt on flash+update and user backup is dropped over that afaik |
| 08:46.01 | XTL | Hm.. pdumpfs might be handy. Although there's not that much changing on the tablet in normal use |
| 08:46.49 | aquatix | XTL: yeah, that's how that restore works indeed |
| 08:47.03 | aquatix | worked well here |
| 08:47.13 | aquatix | restored all my settings, contacts etc |
| 08:47.29 | XTL | Worked well for me, too. I've done that once so far. |
| 08:48.51 | aquatix | too, yesterday :) |
| 08:49.10 | aquatix | thank the Light for that OS2008 update asking to do a backup before proceeding |
| 08:50.32 | XTL | :) |
| 08:54.28 | *** topic/#maemo by X-Fade -> Maemo Summit: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | Create the new maemo.org logo: https://wiki.maemo.org/maemo.org_logo_contest | logs at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ | http://mxr.maemo.org |
| 08:54.50 | *** topic/#maemo by X-Fade -> Maemo Summit: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | ogs at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ | http://mxr.maemo.org |
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| 08:55.04 | X-Fade | Hmm ok, not good. |
| 08:55.18 | *** topic/#maemo by X-Fade -> Maemo Summit: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | logs at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ | http://mxr.maemo.org |
| 08:55.24 | XTL | Ah |
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| 08:59.20 | Khertan | still many some 500 error |
| 08:59.22 | Khertan | +s |
| 08:59.30 | Khertan | "crap.." |
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| 08:59.37 | Khertan | lol nice error :) |
| 09:00.11 | Khertan | http://wiki.maemo.org/ -> crap ... |
| 09:00.12 | XTL | Should put a [Flame ISP] button on every errorhandler page |
| 09:00.14 | Khertan | hihi |
| 09:00.21 | Khertan | yep ! |
| 09:00.21 | XTL | :-D |
| 09:00.42 | Khertan | who is the isp ? |
| 09:00.49 | qwerty12 | ARRGH, I'm uploading an avi to the XBOX and the mess of network cables makes me want to strangle someone with them |
| 09:01.10 | Khertan | qwerty12 > ? cable ? |
| 09:01.12 | Khertan | this thing still exist ? |
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| 09:01.33 | XTL | laaag |
| 09:01.33 | qwerty12 | Khertan, ethernet cables, scart etc |
| 09:01.47 | XTL | I had to use an ethernet cable just this morning. |
| 09:01.53 | qwerty12 | I'm too cheap to get an cross over cable when I have a spare router :) |
| 09:02.04 | XTL | Laptop windos decided there's no network reception. In the end it just needed a reboot. |
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| 09:04.04 | aquatix | XTL: yeah, that's some backwards feature of windows |
| 09:04.30 | aquatix | i've even encountered situations where i needed to restart windows when i wanted to switch from wifi the ethernet or the other way around |
| 09:04.34 | oilinki3 | cables are great when using microwave oven |
| 09:04.43 | aquatix | oilinki3: :) |
| 09:04.56 | aquatix | oilinki3: don't put your tablet inside such a machine ;) |
| 09:05.30 | XTL | Yeah. You can use an xbox for that. |
| 09:05.39 | XTL | Remember to video it. |
| 09:05.42 | oilinki3 | aqua: no need. One time I even rebooted my wlan-router.. just to later figure out that the connection problem was caused by the microwave oven |
| 09:05.56 | aquatix | ;) |
| 09:06.25 | aquatix | you might want to try another channel |
| 09:06.32 | aquatix | slightly different frequencies |
| 09:06.35 | XTL | "defrost" |
| 09:06.55 | aquatix | maybe another channel works better when heating your food |
| 09:07.01 | XTL | I wonder how broad-spectrum the microwave interference is |
| 09:07.11 | XTL | You haven't tried whether it hurts BT? |
| 09:08.14 | aquatix | oilinki3: or crank up your router's radio power :) |
| 09:08.26 | oilinki3 | I'm ok with that. we are not using the micro so often. just need to be sure that there is no voip call on progress when heating the food |
| 09:09.04 | Khertan | hum ... if you oven disturb your wifi don't stay too near when you use it |
| 09:09.09 | Khertan | it should not happen |
| 09:09.20 | Khertan | s/you/your |
| 09:09.57 | aquatix | true |
| 09:10.04 | aquatix | microwave oven should be shielded |
| 09:10.06 | oilinki3 | I suppose there is a bit of leak anyway. and yes. I rather be a bit away of it. |
| 09:10.27 | XTL | The shielding won't stop all of the interference and things like positioning matter |
| 09:10.35 | aquatix | oilinki3: if bits of your body starts getting cooked, you know you're in trouble ;) |
| 09:10.41 | XTL | If it breaks an otherwise clean conn from a distance, I'd worry |
| 09:10.49 | oilinki3 | basically it does not cut the lines, but there is a loads of erros and for example loading web pages does not work |
| 09:11.11 | aquatix | even changing your position 10cm could have effect |
| 09:11.12 | Khertan | XTL > the shield should stop frequency used by wifi on channel 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 |
| 09:11.34 | aquatix | iirc, the wavelength of wifi is about 20cm? |
| 09:11.37 | Khertan | if it don't ... change it ... the shield have been damaged |
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| 09:14.07 | oilinki3 | it's a new oven so I tought that it should not be any serious issue. |
| 09:14.55 | Khertan | someone know spreadshirt.com ? |
| 09:15.04 | XTL | Khertan: define "know" |
| 09:16.14 | Khertan | know -> mean ... are they serious ? how is delivery, fast, slow ... ? |
| 09:16.37 | XTL | I think they're serious. Haven't done any business with them myself. |
| 09:16.56 | Khertan | i'm trying to make a nice tshirt for the summit ;) |
| 09:17.51 | XTL | I think they have the idea that you can sell your own designs. Which is pretty neat if you have some low volume project (like a piece of sw) |
| 09:18.11 | XTL | So you can have them offer shirts with fan logos to random people |
| 09:21.36 | Khertan | :) |
| 09:21.48 | Khertan | maybe they will be fan for my maemo tshirt :) |
| 09:22.22 | Khertan | based on http://khertan.net/poubelle/logo1.png |
| 09:24.43 | XTL | If the copyrights are not a problem, you could set up shop with all the logos :9 |
| 09:26.23 | Khertan | lol i ve made this logo ... i don't thing someone would wear this thing :) |
| 09:30.44 | XTL | Ah, but try and mention it on irc and you might find yourself in a sea of your creations :) |
| 09:31.06 | XTL | (I remembered the logo :) |
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| 09:34.26 | rm_you | I found someone who is screenprinting random Maemo logo shirts for me for like $12 each |
| 09:34.36 | rm_you | which isnt spectacular, but not horrible |
| 09:34.54 | rm_you | I may blow up the Adv Backlight logo and put that on a shirt too :P |
| 09:36.23 | Khertan | ... hum ... |
| 09:36.25 | Khertan | 12$ |
| 09:36.35 | Khertan | i ven't found something under 22Euros |
| 09:36.47 | rm_you | O_o |
| 09:37.00 | rm_you | maybe i should make tons, and sell them :P |
| 09:37.12 | Khertan | lol |
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| 09:38.43 | Khertan | http://khertan.net/poubelle/tshirt1.png |
| 09:39.09 | Khertan | ouch ... +6 euro for delivery !!! |
| 09:39.34 | Khertan | 30 Euros ... for a stupid tshirt.... it s a bit expensive |
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| 09:39.52 | kpel | oh yes |
| 09:40.20 | aspect | does diablo automatically shut itself down under any circumstances other than flat battery? |
| 09:40.31 | kpel | so there is a maemo logo at last. nice play with the infinity symbol. but why all this pale greyness? |
| 09:40.49 | aspect | Khertan: maybe try threadless .. I think you need a bunch of people to vote before it's in catalogue but we might be able to manage that :-) |
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| 09:43.15 | bef0rd | http://img506.imageshack.us/img506/8870/bobesponjaillamk8.jpg |
| 09:44.20 | kpel | omg, they found bob! |
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| 09:48.34 | LoCusF | any cool stuff on the new feature upgrade for OS2008? |
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| 09:50.18 | Khertan | yep there is a new too kweel version number !!! |
| 09:50.19 | Khertan | : |
| 09:50.21 | Khertan | :) |
| 09:50.34 | Khertan | modest/microb mainly |
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| 10:06.58 | Khertan | lol ... i found a printed tshirt for 15Euros ... with 15 Euros for delivery ... pffff |
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| 10:20.47 | Khertan | yeah ... comboutique.fr ... 18Euros ... for one logo and one line of text in the back |
| 10:24.59 | Italodance | 2008-08-12 maemo.org Sprint4 IRC planning meeting2008-07-28T07:43:22Z dab2a01e5c7811ddaefc737a25da451d451d |
| 10:25.33 | Khertan | ... hum ... |
| 10:25.35 | Khertan | it s today |
| 10:25.42 | Khertan | maybe i could join |
| 10:26.05 | Khertan | maemo wiki : Connection to 127.0.0.1 Failed |
| 10:26.34 | Khertan | Italodance > could you remember me the channel and time ? |
| 10:26.50 | Italodance | hi yeah |
| 10:27.00 | Italodance | Khertan umm |
| 10:27.14 | Italodance | ! |
| 10:27.30 | Khertan | ?!? |
| 10:27.49 | Khertan | lol found |
| 10:28.09 | Khertan | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:28.12 | Italodance | Khertan no |
| 10:29.33 | Italodance | #maemo-meeting |
| 10:29.55 | lardman | is this going on atm? |
| 10:30.07 | X-Fade | 19:00 utc. |
| 10:30.17 | lardman | X-Fade: cool |
| 10:30.43 | lardman | Anyone here who knows about hw interrupts? |
| 10:30.49 | Khertan | hum ... i ll join :) just to see what is a maemo-meeting :) |
| 10:30.50 | X-Fade | I'll be playing Quim tonight ;) |
| 10:31.15 | lardman | X-Fade: right, I'll prepare a long list of questions to paste at you ;) |
| 10:31.16 | X-Fade | Only I don't have the answers, like he does. |
| 10:31.21 | qwerty12 | lol |
| 10:31.30 | Italodance | today i refreshed my app manager and saw a new 3d game called ABUSE? anyone knows it? screenshot? |
| 10:31.43 | Khertan | Italodance .... rohh !:!!!! |
| 10:31.54 | Khertan | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abuse_(computer_game) |
| 10:32.02 | qwerty12 | Italodance, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=157548 |
| 10:32.23 | Italodance | thank u Khertan & qwerty12 :D |
| 10:32.49 | lardman | I was looking at the mp3.o dsp task and notice there are no DMA strings in there, anyone know if that is encapsulated by XDAIS? |
| 10:32.55 | wiza | did feature upgrade update kernel too? mostly interested 'cause I'm using a2dp's dsp/arm decoupling stuff |
| 10:33.04 | qwerty12 | wiza, yeah |
| 10:33.05 | Italodance | ut's 15 mb wow should be good :( |
| 10:33.08 | Italodance | :) |
| 10:34.13 | lardman | wiza: it might have overwritten bluez-utils |
| 10:34.53 | Khertan | Unable to forward this request at this time. .... rah ... could you come with some guy from the isp that run maemo.org at the summit ? we can so made a real deathmatch .... |
| 10:35.03 | wiza | lardman: aah, that too, haven't tested a2dp after that upgrade, any updates coming to that or does the old version/kernel work? |
| 10:35.23 | lardman | wiza: not much point in using the kernel atm as videos don't want to play with it |
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| 10:35.42 | wiza | lardman: not using internet tablet for watching video |
| 10:35.44 | lardman | wiza: I'm looking at doing DMA/some other way of getting it to work with video output too |
| 10:36.02 | wiza | lardman: gps, email, web and music is 'nuff for me |
| 10:36.08 | lardman | wiza: in which case you still don't need the kernel, that just allowed you to push the ARM to full speed while using the DSP |
| 10:36.19 | wiza | ok |
| 10:36.45 | lardman | for you, it's pretty much done |
| 10:37.13 | lardman | for people who want to be able to use it to redirect audio while watching video with mplayer, I need to work out why the mplayer frame rate drops to ~1fps |
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| 10:37.33 | wiza | lardman: there was some clitches in the sound, might be that canola was using way too much cpu... but that wasn't really annoying, rode my bike like 300km and it happened maybe 30 times |
| 10:37.59 | lardman | wiza: ah yeah, qwerty12 mentioned some glitches too, I've not got round to look at that; I will do though |
| 10:38.14 | wiza | sweet |
| 10:38.19 | lardman | Were you playing mp3s? |
| 10:38.23 | wiza | yep |
| 10:38.47 | wiza | not that I'm needing that much now, weather is gettin' even more shittier than usual |
| 10:38.51 | lardman | It would be useful if you or qwerty12 could chop out the chunks which are causing glitches, or at least tell me the time in the song so I can do so |
| 10:39.14 | qwerty12 | lardman, that song I sent you is glitched all the way through :) |
| 10:39.16 | lardman | otherwise I need to convert the entire tracks to pcm, send it though and do a diff |
| 10:39.21 | lardman | qwerty12: ok |
| 10:39.33 | qwerty12 | if you wish, just cut some seconds from the start |
| 10:39.34 | lardman | qwerty12: isn't that the way it's supposed to sound? ;) |
| 10:39.56 | qwerty12 | lardman, nope as the default bluez a2dp stuff plays it fine ;P |
| 10:40.02 | lardman | :p |
| 10:40.11 | timeless | um, when is maemo.org planning on working? |
| 10:40.38 | lardman | qwerty12: I'll take a look this evening, am feeling better (have had a stinking cold & couldn't be bothered to program() |
| 10:41.07 | qwerty12 | lardman, great, thank you. I think I'm feeling the start of a cold here (runny nose) :D |
| 10:41.33 | qwerty12 | Or it could be a result of eating these "chilli" crisps :/ |
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| 11:58.10 | lcuk | liri, yes, but i dont know if its been updated for diablo |
| 12:00.00 | Khertan | lcuk > lol ... the worst solution ... |
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| 12:00.56 | Khertan | vmware is setted for chinook ... but to make diablo compatible application just change repository and apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 12:01.11 | crashanddie | s// / |
| 12:01.26 | crashanddie | s/\//\/\// |
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| 12:03.47 | Khertan | ? |
| 12:04.18 | Khertan | oh ... there is a python-qt wikipedia reader ... |
| 12:05.13 | lcuk | Khertan, when you move to qt you will find theres pretty much everything |
| 12:05.17 | Shiggidy | so i heard there were 2 versions of rdesktop? anyone link to both? |
| 12:05.33 | Khertan | lcuk > qt sucks ... |
| 12:05.34 | Khertan | :) |
| 12:06.03 | liri | lcuk: yep, I see it now |
| 12:06.10 | Khertan | the interest of a qt reader ... is to clean all this nasty qt thing ... |
| 12:06.17 | crashanddie | Khertan, lcuk sucks more than qt ? Is that what you said ? |
| 12:06.19 | Khertan | to make a great gtk reader :) |
| 12:06.29 | Khertan | crashanddie > lol |
| 12:07.17 | Khertan | '>' is added by this stupid windows irc client i use. |
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| 12:07.36 | aquatix | Khertan: config it! |
| 12:07.37 | aquatix | ;) |
| 12:08.30 | Khertan | aquatix > yep ... format c: |
| 12:08.44 | XTL | Make it so. |
| 12:08.44 | aquatix | Khertan: no, cfdisk, format / |
| 12:08.49 | lcuk | Khertan, according to netcraft gtk is dying. qt is rising |
| 12:09.17 | aquatix | lcuk: according to my crystal ball, microsoft is going to use kde as gui in windows 7 |
| 12:09.29 | Khertan | netcraft ... |
| 12:09.34 | Khertan | who is it ? |
| 12:09.49 | crashanddie | It's the online nickname of The Doctor |
| 12:09.55 | aquatix | netcraft is an internet statistics site |
| 12:09.59 | aquatix | crashanddie: lol |
| 12:10.14 | XTL | Mmm.. internet statistics |
| 12:10.18 | aquatix | crashanddie: i've seen him! i've seen him! |
| 12:10.26 | aquatix | he was on the tellie |
| 12:10.30 | crashanddie | aquatix, which one ? |
| 12:10.32 | crashanddie | ah, ok |
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| 12:10.38 | crashanddie | everyone saw the doctor the telly |
| 12:10.45 | aquatix | crashanddie: i saw various iterations |
| 12:10.45 | crashanddie | or has seen |
| 12:10.54 | aquatix | ;) |
| 12:11.13 | aquatix | has a doctor captured on dvd |
| 12:12.21 | crashanddie | anyone know if there's a bug about the freely moving desktop applets in OS2008 ? (as opposed to the locked desktop applets in OS2007) |
| 12:12.29 | crashanddie | and if so, which bug # it is |
| 12:13.02 | Khertan | 80833http://www.maemo.orgJune 2000 |
| 12:13.12 | Khertan | from netcraft ... and you believe them ... |
| 12:13.14 | Khertan | arf |
| 12:14.00 | timeless | does sjgadsby irc? |
| 12:14.21 | Khertan | fklsdjf lfjsdlfkj sdlfj ? |
| 12:14.29 | timeless | not-my-fault |
| 12:14.47 | mikkov_ | offline wikipedia on nit would be pretty cool |
| 12:14.58 | crashanddie | there already is, isn't there , |
| 12:15.11 | mikkov_ | actually there is, i've used it |
| 12:15.24 | XTL | Although the point of the nit is kind of to have things online in reach |
| 12:15.32 | mikkov_ | i used some dict viewer |
| 12:15.53 | XTL | Is there a dict to wp gateway? |
| 12:16.00 | aquatix | solders the wifi chip off his NIT's motherboard |
| 12:16.01 | Khertan | i see that in 2005 there is something interesting in the maemo roadmap : "UI development tool e.g Gazpacho with Hildon widget support" |
| 12:16.06 | Khertan | no news ? |
| 12:16.19 | mikkov_ | there is dict files made from wikipedia dumps |
| 12:16.20 | crashanddie | aquatix, wouldn't be soldering, technically |
| 12:16.27 | XTL | Ah |
| 12:16.36 | aquatix | it would involve a soldering iron and melting |
| 12:16.44 | aquatix | doesn't see the problem ;) |
| 12:17.11 | pupnik_ | anybody interested in a fun thing to port? http://siebn.de/index.php?page=burningsand/game |
| 12:17.20 | aquatix | i'd likely ruin the thing and the table i'm working on, but that's because my soldering skills are rather lousy |
| 12:17.21 | crashanddie | well, see, soldering implies the use of heat and melted metal to attach multiple pieces together |
| 12:17.42 | aquatix | crashanddie: i'd reverse the process |
| 12:17.48 | aquatix | antisoldering then |
| 12:17.51 | aquatix | fair enough |
| 12:17.52 | XTL | "desoldering" |
| 12:18.02 | aquatix | unsoldering |
| 12:18.06 | XTL | (which mostly describes removing solder) |
| 12:18.11 | aquatix | sounds like unraveling |
| 12:18.11 | crashanddie | pupnik_, that's not a fun part |
| 12:18.24 | XTL | un might give images of just breaking the joint |
| 12:18.37 | crashanddie | pupnik_, I don't know about you, but porting wine to an NIT looks like a major PITA |
| 12:18.44 | aquatix | crashanddie: in my case, it would still result in multiple pieces attached together |
| 12:19.00 | aquatix | like, motherboard fused with casing and such |
| 12:19.04 | XTL | Running arm binaries with a win api? |
| 12:19.12 | aquatix | should learn to solder correctly |
| 12:19.45 | pupnik_ | crashanddie: source is available, SDL display backend |
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| 12:20.07 | pupnik_ | it's surprisingly fast - curious about the data structures |
| 12:20.25 | aquatix | loves how the screenshots are exactly the same for win and lin |
| 12:20.28 | crashanddie | aquatix, it's not hard, the main thing to remember is "don't use too much solder, in fact, use very little" |
| 12:20.45 | XTL | Always tin your bit and all the leads you'll solder |
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| 12:20.54 | XTL | .. sparingly, of course. |
| 12:20.56 | aquatix | crashanddie: and don't sniff too much of the magic smoke |
| 12:21.20 | XTL | Magic smoke improves when you hit a drop of cyanoacrylate with the soldering tip |
| 12:21.41 | aquatix | ooh |
| 12:21.54 | aquatix | so that'd make me sniff both magic smoke and glue? |
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| 12:22.07 | aquatix | choose the wrong profession when he went into software |
| 12:22.19 | XTL | is in the process of remedying that |
| 12:22.41 | aquatix | XTL: but was that serious, or... |
| 12:22.54 | aquatix | has heard weirder remedies |
| 12:23.02 | crashanddie | I've soldered waayy too much :P |
| 12:23.19 | aquatix | doesn't even own an iron |
| 12:23.27 | aquatix | i've soldering tin though |
| 12:23.28 | XTL | I'm trying to get to EE. |
| 12:23.44 | XTL | I always wanted to, but kind of got sucked in to being a programmer and sysadmin |
| 12:23.49 | Veggen | aquatix: I do, but I'm clumsy with hardware, so I hardly use it ;) |
| 12:23.58 | Veggen | hardware just sucks. |
| 12:23.58 | aquatix | Veggen: :) |
| 12:24.01 | aquatix | indeed |
| 12:24.02 | XTL | Just bought a new iron/station |
| 12:24.05 | XTL | ahs, ass |
| 12:24.06 | aquatix | it needs to work |
| 12:24.10 | aquatix | software is more my thing |
| 12:24.46 | XTL | Hardware can be tortured. |
| 12:24.56 | aquatix | uses software for that |
| 12:25.21 | XTL | aquatix: But you'll know the software enjoys it |
| 12:25.32 | aquatix | uh-huh |
| 12:25.42 | aquatix | except when it starts panicking |
| 12:29.43 | XTL | I wonder if electronics has the delicious cycle, too. |
| 12:29.56 | XTL | "I have some leftover chips, I should get some pcb and make circuits" |
| 12:30.05 | XTL | "I have some leftover pcb, I should get some chips and make circuits" |
| 12:30.25 | aquatix | :) |
| 12:30.44 | aquatix | "I have some leftover circuits, I should build me a robot army" |
| 12:30.46 | XTL | (I always just have spare chips, but I'm a packrat) |
| 12:31.31 | crashanddie | aquatix, I have 4 different soldering irons, and about 2kg of solder :P |
| 12:31.39 | XTL | I should get some microcontrollers. Still haven't got around to it. |
| 12:31.47 | crashanddie | XTL, where do you live ? |
| 12:31.54 | XTL | crashanddie: oulu.fi |
| 12:32.18 | crashanddie | ouch, ok |
| 12:32.26 | XTL | Indeed :9 |
| 12:37.32 | crashanddie | Nha, cuz I have a bunch of Atmel AtMega microcontrollers here |
| 12:37.43 | crashanddie | XTL, and if you'd been anywhere near, could've sent you a bunch :P |
| 12:38.31 | msh | hm. there's nothing in /proc or /sys to look at power draw (mA/mW) for the n810 is there?) |
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| 12:41.41 | msh | or in the hardware (accessible by software) any way for that matter |
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| 12:43.48 | XTL | crashanddie: Nice. I'm not anywhere near most anything, though. |
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| 12:53.20 | lcuk | xtl, if you are brave you could try microwave soldering ;) |
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| 12:55.18 | Hrw|n810 | hi |
| 12:55.35 | Hrw|n810 | omweather does not update here |
| 12:55.41 | Hrw|n810 | someone got it too? |
| 12:56.18 | crashanddie | sorry, quit using omweather ages ago |
| 12:56.32 | crashanddie | Hrw|n810, IIRC, omweather simply uses Yahoo! weather |
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| 12:56.46 | lcuk | Hrw|n810, dunno perhaps the webscraping has failed |
| 12:56.58 | lcuk | or the weather has stopped |
| 12:57.06 | lcuk | reboot the world and try again |
| 12:57.17 | crashanddie | Hrw|n810, check if you have access to weather.com |
| 12:57.21 | Hrw|n810 | ok |
| 12:58.10 | lcuk_work | bbiab |
| 12:59.23 | aquatix | works here |
| 12:59.30 | crashanddie | here too |
| 12:59.32 | crashanddie | but he's gone |
| 13:00.21 | aquatix | meh, telepathy gabble or something was taking 200% cpu |
| 13:00.23 | lcuk_work | large tornado took him away? |
| 13:00.25 | aquatix | now my battery is drained |
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| 13:07.50 | Cptnodegard | forl @ jeppe |
| 13:07.56 | Cptnodegard | *rofl |
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| 14:06.26 | Khertan | hum... maemo.org still down ... |
| 14:08.15 | LinuxCode | its not down |
| 14:08.18 | LinuxCode | check your shit |
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| 14:11.38 | Khertan | LinuxCode > main page is ok ... but look at the thing behind |
| 14:11.39 | Khertan | :) |
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| 14:12.03 | LinuxCode | behind where ? |
| 14:12.20 | Khertan | http://maemo.org/downloads/ |
| 14:12.24 | Khertan | The following error was encountered: |
| 14:12.24 | Khertan | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:12.28 | Khertan | The system returned: |
| 14:12.28 | Khertan | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:12.36 | XTL | w.m.o also throws a real error now |
| 14:12.40 | Khertan | of course it depends on where you connect |
| 14:12.47 | Khertan | as there is many caching system |
| 14:12.58 | Khertan | sometimes real error ... sometimes crap |
| 14:14.09 | liri | is it possible to play midi files on the n8x0? |
| 14:14.35 | XTL | I'm guessing there's no (exposed) hw synth, but you could run (port?) timidity and go through that |
| 14:14.58 | XTL | icbw. Having a hw synth would be funny. |
| 14:14.58 | liri | I'm wondering cause that would open up a whole new karaoke joke box window :) |
| 14:15.08 | liri | there's pykaraoke |
| 14:15.09 | lbt | FWIW, I'm getting intermittent errors on maemo.org too: can't login, some pages are blank, others are fine |
| 14:15.51 | XTL | They saw that the move was tomorrow, so they're hauling it back. |
| 14:16.33 | liri | pykaraoke I think depends on libsdl though isn't such good news I guess |
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| 14:18.20 | Khertan | libsdl ... |
| 14:18.33 | Khertan | is it available, isn't it ? |
| 14:18.51 | XTL | I imagine it would be |
| 14:19.12 | XTL | Yes, 1.2 |
| 14:19.34 | Khertan | there is many users complaining on itt about ssu |
| 14:19.35 | XTL | In the base system even, isn't it? |
| 14:19.37 | Khertan | huhu |
| 14:20.20 | XTL | One thing I hate is not having everything in apt's reach |
| 14:20.32 | XTL | and in public |
| 14:20.57 | XTL | I guess they want to keep some of it hidden away |
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| 14:23.30 | Khertan | XTL > yes but make all thing visible , and you ll see more people complaining ... |
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| 14:37.30 | Khertan | ouch ... some user complaining about ssu update seems to have also sdk 4.1 repository ... |
| 14:38.10 | Khertan | is there a gtk designer god here ? :) |
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| 14:42.41 | brontide | Khertan: I think you're assuming that GTK can look good |
| 14:44.11 | Anunakin | Any knows if are a method to use socks5 under maemo? I think create a proxy and use it over a ssh tunnel (socks5) ...? |
| 14:44.42 | Anunakin | kkkk GTK <> Look good!!! :P |
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| 14:49.56 | crashanddie | Anunakin, could you rephrase that? Didn't quite catch that |
| 14:50.17 | Khertan | brontide > :) |
| 14:50.29 | crashanddie | Khertan, get rid of the " > " |
| 14:50.33 | crashanddie | Khertan, it's annoying |
| 14:50.35 | Khertan | :) |
| 14:50.47 | Khertan | yep ... 2s ... i ll get a real irc client |
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| 14:57.01 | Khertan | yep ... a real irc client |
| 14:57.05 | Khertan | on windows ... |
| 14:57.31 | aquatix | which one? |
| 14:57.34 | Khertan | irssi |
| 14:57.36 | Khertan | :) |
| 14:57.37 | aquatix | ah :) |
| 14:57.44 | aquatix | the only real irc client ;) |
| 14:58.23 | Khertan | some of linux user say that emacs is the only real irc client :) |
| 14:58.26 | Khertan | +s |
| 14:58.41 | aquatix | emacs is a nice OS indeed |
| 14:58.58 | aquatix | has a nice irc and email client too i heard |
| 14:59.08 | aquatix | too bad it's missing a decent editor ;) |
| 14:59.15 | aquatix | runs |
| 14:59.23 | brontide | Khertan: I've avoided the OS known as emacs |
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| 15:01.03 | Khertan | maybe one day i should try it |
| 15:01.16 | Khertan | crashanddie: you see ? no more '>' |
| 15:01.20 | Khertan | :) |
| 15:01.27 | crashanddie | aaah :) Nice |
| 15:01.30 | XTL | Positive |
| 15:01.35 | crashanddie | now make it a ",", and I'm really happy |
| 15:01.45 | Khertan | no no no ... irssi use ':' ... |
| 15:01.47 | aquatix | crashanddie: why? |
| 15:01.50 | Khertan | so it should be ':' |
| 15:01.51 | aquatix | , is weird |
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| 15:01.56 | aquatix | indeed |
| 15:01.58 | XTL | : is traditional |
| 15:01.59 | crashanddie | no it's not |
| 15:02.06 | aquatix | crashanddie: then you're weird ;) |
| 15:02.09 | Khertan | it s the default irssi config |
| 15:02.12 | crashanddie | Hell yes I am |
| 15:02.17 | crashanddie | Khertan, way better, anyway |
| 15:02.17 | Khertan | so it s the standard ... |
| 15:02.19 | Khertan | :) |
| 15:02.19 | XTL | and , is used in more in random sentences |
| 15:02.28 | crashanddie | I'll tell you this |
| 15:02.52 | Khertan | :) |
| 15:03.09 | aquatix | i think `:' is better for addressing someone than randomly putting a pause character in a sentence |
| 15:03.16 | XTL | < crashanddie> Khertan, way better, anyway |
| 15:03.18 | crashanddie | ':' indicates a direction, a specification, ',' indicates an enunciation |
| 15:03.31 | XTL | Was that to Khertan, Kertan and way better or Khertan, way better and anyway? |
| 15:03.33 | aquatix | crashanddie: exactly, i direct you |
| 15:03.47 | aquatix | +it to |
| 15:03.52 | crashanddie | in other words, I'm not only talking to some person, I'm talking to that person, and anyone who wants to join in |
| 15:04.05 | crashanddie | XTL, now you're just shagging mosquitoes |
| 15:04.07 | Khertan | hum ... |
| 15:04.20 | XTL | crashanddie: illustrating my earlier point |
| 15:04.39 | XTL | To a machine, that would be a killer problem. Generally, they don't care though. |
| 15:04.40 | crashanddie | nooo you're not, you're just abusing your point of view to try and put me at wrong |
| 15:04.46 | XTL | It's a matter of manners. |
| 15:04.53 | Khertan | use is notepad and writing in the funny expression section : 'you re just shagging mosquitoes' |
| 15:04.54 | crashanddie | it doesn't change a lot |
| 15:04.57 | Khertan | ;) |
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| 15:05.15 | Khertan | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:05.22 | XTL | You know, this is the first channel I've seen any disagreement on this. |
| 15:05.26 | lcuk_work | crashanddie, : you are wrong :P |
| 15:05.29 | crashanddie | haha |
| 15:05.38 | XTL | And there's generally irc-illiterate sentiment here |
| 15:05.47 | XTL | What's it been.. 13 years? |
| 15:05.48 | ywwg | I'm adding an application to the maemo website, and it says to save the entry before uploading a screenshot. I've saved the entry, now how do I edit it to add the screenshot? |
| 15:05.59 | crashanddie | XTL, what did you just say ? |
| 15:06.08 | X-Fade | ywwg: Use the floating bar. |
| 15:06.11 | crashanddie | "(XTL) You know, this is the first..." |
| 15:06.13 | crashanddie | that's my point |
| 15:06.23 | crashanddie | XTL, see what I meant now ? |
| 15:06.23 | Khertan | ywwg: before use the floating windows |
| 15:06.29 | X-Fade | ywwg: 'Page' -> Edit. |
| 15:06.36 | lcuk_work | so many clients, so many formats, no1 is wrong (except for crashanddie,) |
| 15:06.43 | XTL | crashanddie: Yes. In 13 years or so, every other channel has taken it for granted that you use colon. |
| 15:07.02 | Khertan | hum ... why not using ([{[{[Khertan]}]})>:_: ? |
| 15:07.06 | lcuk_work | xtl, but xchat by default uses "[name], " |
| 15:07.08 | XTL | And this is the only one where someone uses another char or another word for 'topic' |
| 15:07.10 | Khertan | it ll be clear : |
| 15:07.11 | Khertan | :) |
| 15:07.23 | XTL | lcuk_work: I'm sure it does. |
| 15:07.27 | crashanddie | XTL, so because they thought the earth was flat for a bazillion years, they were right ? Fundamental things should never be challenged ? :D |
| 15:07.35 | ywwg | aha. I didn't realize those were menus |
| 15:07.52 | Khertan | crashanddie: yep they were right ... ask to the inquisition ... :) |
| 15:07.52 | XTL | < XTL> You know, this is... |
| 15:07.59 | crashanddie | hahaha :D |
| 15:08.02 | lcuk_work | xtl, therefore its the right way. or are you gonna argue that x-chat doesn't rule the interwebs? :P |
| 15:08.04 | XTL | I wasn't using a fallacy, I was diverging |
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| 15:08.23 | Khertan | hey ... this is really not important ... |
| 15:08.37 | lcuk_work | no, its vitally important |
| 15:08.38 | XTL | lcuk_work: It probably does. Windows and IE too |
| 15:08.45 | ywwg | gah, is the site incredibly slow for anyone else? |
| 15:08.52 | crashanddie | ywwg, everyone else |
| 15:08.52 | Khertan | ok ... don't move i ll configure irssi :) |
| 15:08.59 | aquatix | irssi is right |
| 15:09.03 | ywwg | crashanddie: thought so |
| 15:09.17 | lcuk_work | dont the rfcs define this? |
| 15:09.23 | crashanddie | nope |
| 15:09.26 | XTL | At least the bitchx is dead. |
| 15:09.51 | XTL | Protocol doesn't take part in content |
| 15:10.01 | XTL | ¥< XTL> It's a matter of manners. |
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| 15:10.39 | aquatix | renicks to ..::aquat1x::.. |
| 15:10.40 | Khertan | yeark ... it s seems not configurable ... |
| 15:10.46 | lcuk_work | actually, it sortof does, the inner protocol uses [nick] : [msg] |
| 15:10.51 | kpel | is there a reason for the libbz2-1.0 and libdb4.2 packages to be kept back in diablo? |
| 15:11.00 | kpel | apt-get cannot upgrade them |
| 15:11.06 | qwerty12 | aquatix, yep, it's showing :P |
| 15:11.15 | kpel | (neither the application manager) |
| 15:11.17 | XTL | Mmm.. resonance :) |
| 15:11.26 | qwerty12 | ~lart the freenet irc server. I wanted to go in #dbox2 :( |
| 15:11.26 | infobot | burns the freenet irc server. I wanted to go in #dbox2 :( to a crisp with a laser |
| 15:11.27 | Khertan | {('[lcuk_work]')}:> now i m sure something is good :) |
| 15:11.32 | aquatix | qwerty12: talking about netiquette ;) |
| 15:11.53 | aquatix | Khertan++ |
| 15:11.57 | Khertan | :) |
| 15:12.07 | aquatix | you forgot colouring |
| 15:12.19 | Khertan | Oh : ... colouring ! |
| 15:12.20 | crashanddie | colors are disabled here |
| 15:12.20 | kpel | no colouring, please, please no |
| 15:12.24 | aquatix | waits till someone gets banned |
| 15:12.28 | Khertan | i forgot that ! |
| 15:12.30 | Khertan | yep ... |
| 15:12.32 | aquatix | crashanddie: thankfully |
| 15:12.37 | crashanddie | aquatix, indeed |
| 15:12.39 | Khertan | thx to remind me this |
| 15:12.40 | crashanddie | test |
| 15:12.47 | crashanddie | but phat is still possible |
| 15:12.48 | kpel | failed |
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| 15:13.01 | X-Fade | http://gizmodo.com/5035456/blue-screen-of-death-strikes-birds-nest-during-opening-ceremonies-torch-lighting Quality software ;) |
| 15:13.12 | aquatix | X-Fade: yeah, classic |
| 15:13.12 | XTL | ^C-colours. That was the time mirc ruled the unwashed seas.. |
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| 15:13.24 | aquatix | about time mirc dies |
| 15:13.28 | mikkov_ | X-Fade: is the autobuilder borked? |
| 15:13.31 | qwerty12 | mirc sukzorz |
| 15:13.50 | Khertan | haha |
| 15:13.55 | X-Fade | mikkov_: I think it has something to do with the move of the servers. |
| 15:14.02 | XTL | xchat is a minor nuisance compared to that |
| 15:14.05 | aquatix | no more questions on how to get online on that mirc chat network |
| 15:14.07 | mikkov_ | X-Fade: ok |
| 15:14.12 | X-Fade | mikkov_: The builder itself seems to be broken/gone/messed up. |
| 15:14.40 | XTL | I'm sorry, but I have to say this again: |
| 15:14.43 | XTL | At least the bitchx is dead. |
| 15:14.46 | XTL | :) |
| 15:15.02 | mikkov_ | X-Fade: lots of UNKNOWNs ;) |
| 15:15.24 | X-Fade | mikkov_: Yeah, I guess the autobuilder doesn't know what hit him ;) |
| 15:15.54 | X-Fade | mikkov_: -ESERVERMOVEDONEDAYEARLYSORRY |
| 15:16.22 | aquatix | kthxbye |
| 15:16.57 | aquatix | reminds me of my isp's system transition; also a day early |
| 15:17.23 | X-Fade | Well, it messed up my day :( |
| 15:17.24 | aquatix | thanks guys, now i can't edit that document on my home server from work anymore |
| 15:17.50 | Khertan | test |
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| 15:18.32 | aquatix | Khertan: pong |
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| 15:20.16 | Khertan | i ll be back |
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| 15:27.58 | dmes | anyone has an example of HildonWizardDialog ? |
| 15:29.07 | qwerty12 | Can't think of any examples but it's used in Maemo FTP and Modest |
| 15:33.05 | dmes | qwerty12: ok.. thanks.. i'll check the source |
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| 15:35.58 | dmz | howdy y'all, anyone using an N810 here w/either a bluetooth or plugin headset & built in SIP-voip client? |
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| 15:44.22 | bhervier | gnieee |
| 15:45.22 | Khertan | is there a irssi client for maemo ? |
| 15:47.06 | Khertan | ... uhm bye ... |
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| 15:52.33 | AStorm | Khertan: you can build your own irssi too :> |
| 15:52.52 | AStorm | still, XChat is much more suited for the touchscreen |
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| 16:06.31 | konttori | Anything interesting going on? |
| 16:07.38 | Veggen | Hm. My kernel is dated june 11th. Is that the most recent? (just did an apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade) |
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| 16:12.48 | qwerty12 | Veggen: Jul 16 is the most recent |
| 16:13.36 | pH5 | what is up with the diablo extras autobuilder? everything I throw at it just returns a "[diablo]: ... UNKNOWN" e-mail. |
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| 16:15.18 | qwerty12 | Is xmkmf in any diablo sdk repository? |
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| 16:16.56 | Veggen | qwerty: hmm. Then I haven't upgraded all... |
| 16:17.09 | pH5 | qwerty12: isn't that provided by xutils-dev? |
| 16:17.21 | Veggen | qwerty: On uname -a? |
| 16:17.30 | qwerty12 | pH5: Yep, thanks. Just compiled it now. |
| 16:17.30 | Veggen | on ls -l, it's dated jul 16. |
| 16:17.49 | qwerty12 | Veggen: uname -a and /proc/version. |
| 16:17.53 | qwerty12 | Veggen: run flash-and-reboot |
| 16:18.10 | Veggen | ah, thanks. |
| 16:19.47 | remex | w3 |
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| 16:21.25 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody gonna make a 30-2 announcement for maemo.org? |
| 16:21.58 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I'm not sure if that makes sense. Especially if these updates are weekly orso. |
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| 16:22.07 | konttori | Good question. I'm surprised that there has been no official one |
| 16:22.15 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, weekly? |
| 16:22.20 | GeneralAntilles | You're kidding, right? :P |
| 16:22.21 | GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3560 |
| 16:22.33 | GeneralAntilles | That guy needs to either learn how to file useful bugs or stop filing them. |
| 16:22.35 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Or whatever ;) |
| 16:22.43 | GeneralAntilles | I don't think he's filed a useful bug in his life. |
| 16:23.17 | Veggen | hmm. think browser *is* much faster, yes. |
| 16:23.21 | GeneralAntilles | I'm inclined to just INVALID most of them since they just end up sitting because nobody can actually figure them out. |
| 16:23.54 | X-Fade | konttori: I can give you rights to post announcements? |
| 16:24.48 | konttori | It's not my position to announce these things. Quim is on vacation and while he's away, I don't know who should be announcing such things. |
| 16:25.13 | X-Fade | konttori: Well, I guess someone from your team should? |
| 16:25.55 | Luria | so, diablo's iptables... not so great |
| 16:26.10 | konttori | I'll talk tomorrow to people who should be announcing it. It may also be intentional that no so much noise is made of the update. |
| 16:26.27 | konttori | It was really made to fix the email power drain issue |
| 16:26.45 | X-Fade | And everybody will get a notification automatically. |
| 16:27.11 | Luria | to be fair, DEF CON was quite a bit of a test. |
| 16:27.44 | GeneralAntilles | If Nokia is ever going to provide real changelogs, announcements should really be made on maemo.org. |
| 16:28.02 | GeneralAntilles | Besides, it's a COMMUNITY site, we may just take it into our own hands and relieve Nokia of the burden. ;) |
| 16:28.12 | qwerty12 | Using fbvnc on a tablet is a nice way to make you shut it down :> |
| 16:31.03 | lardman | 7pm UTC? |
| 16:31.08 | lardman | See you chaps later on |
| 16:31.49 | brontide | SSU includes a new build of libssl so things like x11vnc won't install without an override |
| 16:33.26 | brontide | and why doesn't maemo have libssl.so link to the most recent version rather linking directly to bare versions |
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| 16:34.10 | dneary | hi all |
| 16:34.27 | pupnik | was ITOS affected by the debian libSSL low-entropy bug? |
| 16:34.34 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik, no. |
| 16:34.42 | pupnik | ^^ knows everything |
| 16:34.44 | GeneralAntilles | Our stuff was (sadly?) way older than it. |
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| 16:34.48 | pupnik | hahaha |
| 16:34.49 | dneary | Is there any interest in the community council any more? |
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| 16:35.10 | GeneralAntilles | dneary, from me there is. ;) |
| 16:35.13 | dneary | Or rather, is there anyone with sufficient interest in the community council to organise it? :) |
| 16:35.18 | GeneralAntilles | brontide, you mean newer than 0.9.8? |
| 16:35.31 | GeneralAntilles | That'd be Jaffa |
| 16:35.48 | GeneralAntilles | The issue he's worried about is a CoI since he's planning to run. |
| 16:35.53 | dneary | I have to go in a minute, but if people think it's worthwhile, I'd like to take it on as a task for the next sprint (and since I'm taking 2 weeks holidays, it'll have to be rolling by Friday) |
| 16:36.04 | brontide | Must have been from the chinook libs then since I have 0.9.7 ( needed for x11vnc to install ) |
| 16:36.07 | dneary | Jaffa? |
| 16:36.15 | pupnik | dneary: ok thanks for the heads-up |
| 16:36.20 | dneary | I'll help you avoid CoI |
| 16:36.21 | GeneralAntilles | dneary, gonna be here for the Sprint? |
| 16:36.23 | dneary | pupnik: NP |
| 16:36.37 | dneary | I'm gonna be here for the IRC meeting layer, and for the next 3 days |
| 16:36.46 | brontide | either way there should be a libssl.so.X -> libssl.so.0.9.8 so that minor revisions don't bork apps |
| 16:36.55 | dneary | And I've been pretty down in the dumps the last couple of days - pre-holiday blues |
| 16:36.58 | GeneralAntilles | s/Sprint/Sprint review/ |
| 16:37.08 | GeneralAntilles | Anyway, Jaffa'll likely be here then. |
| 16:37.09 | dneary | GA: Yes |
| 16:37.22 | dneary | s/GA/GeneralAntilles/ |
| 16:37.44 | GeneralAntilles | brontide, or, perhaps, better dependencies specification by packagers? |
| 16:38.05 | brontide | Won't matter since libssl does not have synlinks |
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| 16:39.33 | brontide | so until libssl is fixed, apps will need to be linked against one of them and that will break some chinook<->diablo compatibility needlessly |
| 16:40.32 | tuukkah | i don't see such symlinks on debian either |
| 16:41.18 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 16:41.28 | GeneralAntilles | Symlinking system libs like that is usually a bad plan. |
| 16:41.46 | GeneralAntilles | That's really a packager issue. |
| 16:42.08 | brontide | You mean all the other symlinked system libs are a bad idea |
| 16:42.17 | GeneralAntilles | maemo.org's about as unstable as it can be. . . . |
| 16:42.59 | brontide | as far as I can tell libssl is the only system lib ( or one of the only ) that does not contain symlinks |
| 16:43.21 | brontide | at least under debian/maemo... works fine under RHEL |
| 16:43.37 | dneary | Gone - be back in a couple of hours |
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| 16:46.22 | tuukkah | brontide, maybe this is to the point: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/155784/comments/17 |
| 16:48.39 | brontide | well then they are doing it wrong since RHEL got it right |
| 16:49.16 | brontide | Wouldn't be the first libssl mistake debian made |
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| 16:50.49 | Khertan_n810 | i'm back |
| 16:51.29 | t_s_o | ugh, karel's less then usefull trolling in the ssu update thread is starting to get to me :( |
| 16:51.40 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, what the hell is going on with maemo.org? |
| 16:51.46 | GeneralAntilles | Are we still mid-move? |
| 16:51.54 | Khertan_n810 | haha |
| 16:52.20 | Khertan_n810 | this is really funny to read some complain on itt |
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| 16:54.24 | brontide | hmm, this is a first, now browserd is stuck comsuming 100% of the CPU |
| 16:55.19 | t_s_o | bah, i need to cut back on the kaffeine while reading itt... |
| 16:56.12 | GeneralAntilles | t_s_o, just cut back on the itT. ;) |
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| 16:56.39 | tuukkah | i was also confused by the ssu. does it make sense that "update all" complained about each package, "update" on the "operating system upgrade" worked... |
| 16:57.12 | qwerty12 | f*** me, £210 for a dbox2, I don't feel like getting conned today :( |
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| 16:59.26 | t_s_o | dbox2? |
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| 17:01.17 | florian | qwerty12: oh, that's quite a lot |
| 17:01.55 | qwerty12 | t_s_o, Cable boxes. Made by Nokia, not in production anymore. I'm interested in running linux on one. Though the DM7025 is tempting to me though as well. |
| 17:02.05 | t_s_o | ah |
| 17:02.20 | qwerty12 | florian, yeah :(. I'd grab one of ebay but they are already running neutrino on them. Not sure if I'd be able to flash it easily. |
| 17:03.13 | GeneralAntilles | t_s_o, goddamn is that thread full of misinformation. |
| 17:03.33 | GeneralAntilles | tuukkah, please don't leave Red Pill mode on. |
| 17:03.37 | GeneralAntilles | Fucking Red Pill |
| 17:03.50 | GeneralAntilles | I'm going to have to begin punishing people who leave it on. |
| 17:04.32 | t_s_o | heh, murphy is having a field day ;) |
| 17:04.48 | tuukkah | i'd rather use apt-get, but i suppose i'd get punished either way =) |
| 17:05.00 | qwerty12 | Karel Jansens would rather get fucked by a rhino then reflash the N800. Sounds odd. |
| 17:05.10 | florian | qwerty12: you need the original os? |
| 17:06.24 | qwerty12 | florian, I've read you need the UCodes out of the original Betanova firmware :/ |
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| 17:06.54 | t_s_o | qwerty12: its karel, nough said... |
| 17:07.09 | qwerty12 | t_s_o, lol, yeah |
| 17:07.29 | t_s_o | he seems to be channeling ballmer lately tho... |
| 17:08.05 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 17:08.20 | GeneralAntilles | sjgadsby looks shirtless in his profile picture. |
| 17:08.49 | florian | qwerty12: well, it might be not leagl but I guess google will find them :-) |
| 17:10.07 | qwerty12 | florian, so true, thanks. legality isn't a problem to me, I plan on following a friend who gets new keys every month on his eurovox :D |
| 17:10.26 | florian | hehe |
| 17:10.28 | Khertan_n810 | does u found that modest work better with gmail after the ssu ? |
| 17:11.09 | Khertan_n810 | metalayer is still here |
| 17:11.11 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 17:13.06 | Khertan_n810 | it work much better after a killall modest :) |
| 17:14.20 | lcuk_work | does anyone know which repo i can install "the ark" from? |
| 17:14.24 | GeneralAntilles | t_s_o, Application manager shits all over itself and dies when mmc2 is corrupted and read-only. |
| 17:14.27 | qwerty12 | I wish psdoom didn't use i386 asm :). It literally kills processors :) |
| 17:14.39 | lcuk_work | is drowning |
| 17:14.42 | t_s_o | ok, noted, i invalidated by request anyways |
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| 17:14.49 | GeneralAntilles | It caches the .deb files to mmc2 |
| 17:15.01 | GeneralAntilles | I'm not sure about any temporary storage during the .deb unpacking and install |
| 17:15.03 | Khertan_n810 | hum ... extras builder still amnesiac |
| 17:15.10 | GeneralAntilles | which is what clean might clean out. |
| 17:15.32 | qwerty12 | lcuk, "the ark"? |
| 17:15.33 | t_s_o | ah |
| 17:15.46 | lcuk | yer, big boat thing where i can survive a flood |
| 17:15.53 | qwerty12 | lol |
| 17:16.00 | GeneralAntilles | You have to build that from source |
| 17:16.05 | lcuk | :D |
| 17:16.16 | GeneralAntilles | "source" being a big stack of wood. ;) |
| 17:16.17 | lcuk | downloaded from god on a hillside? |
| 17:16.40 | t_s_o | iu guess i should have tried to get the app manager to do the update rather then gone for -unlocked, but for me to remove the offending lib i had to clear out things like python (i guess i got what was coming for me for mixing diablo and chinook)... |
| 17:17.08 | lcuk | apt-get install ark-instructions |
| 17:17.08 | lcuk | Error: Depends upon Christianity faith. |
| 17:17.15 | t_s_o | hmm, new mauku, interesting |
| 17:17.31 | MangoFusion | apt-get install faith |
| 17:17.38 | GAN800 | -unlocked did fine here |
| 17:17.56 | GAN800 | It'll be largely dependent on which repositories you have. |
| 17:18.03 | qwerty12 | apt-get install pistol |
| 17:18.04 | qwerty12 | Error: A pistol is too shit for you qwerty12, have an AK-47 instead |
| 17:18.12 | GAN800 | Ha |
| 17:18.30 | GAN800 | qwerty12, have you ever even seen a firearm? : |
| 17:18.37 | GAN800 | P |
| 17:18.50 | lcuk | maemo.org profiles are a bit ummm bob. you get points for things like blogs or groups without actually supplying links to them |
| 17:19.01 | Khertan_n810 | lol |
| 17:19.09 | qwerty12 | GAN800, Well, does a Pump Pellet gun count :P |
| 17:19.17 | GAN800 | hands lcuk a stick to go poke bergie with. |
| 17:19.29 | GAN800 | qwerty, no. |
| 17:19.34 | qwerty12 | damn |
| 17:19.43 | lcuk | no, i cant go to the admins - if i do i have to admit the shame at digging myself down |
| 17:19.44 | rm_you | time to fly |
| 17:19.45 | rm_you | BBL |
| 17:19.50 | rm_you | much later :P |
| 17:19.56 | lcuk | you settin off already? |
| 17:20.01 | qwerty12 | shoots rm_you while he is mid air |
| 17:20.09 | GAN800 | lcuk, lie and tell them it was qwerty12. ;) |
| 17:20.20 | qwerty12 | lol |
| 17:20.28 | lcuk | they will know its me |
| 17:20.34 | lcuk | i shouldnt be able to mark myself down :( |
| 17:20.50 | lcuk | <<< FIAL |
| 17:20.51 | GAN800 | They enabled it just for you. |
| 17:22.29 | Khertan_n810 | ... as extras builderiks still amnesiac ... i ll watch a zode of stargate ... bye |
| 17:23.03 | qwerty12 | http://psdoom.sourceforge.net/images/ss3.gif <-- My new favourite linux process manager |
| 17:23.08 | brontide | wiki.maemo.org is still 2 out of 3, only 30% of my loads are crapping out |
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| 17:23.28 | GeneralAntilles | pokes X-Fade again. |
| 17:24.25 | GeneralAntilles | and _marcell_ ran away. . . . |
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| 17:41.24 | GAN800 | New approach: |
| 17:41.56 | GAN800 | X-Fade, is there anything in particular you want help with for the meeting? :P |
| 17:43.16 | Jaffa | sees his name in scrollback whilst waiting for the app to rebuild |
| 17:43.36 | GAN800 | Community council |
| 17:43.54 | Jaffa | Ah yeah |
| 17:44.01 | GAN800 | dneary may or may not have volunteered to help push it. |
| 17:44.37 | Jaffa | What we'll need is the voting system first and foremost; and as I've no idea of the underlying structure of *.maemo.org, I've *no* idea how much work that is. |
| 17:45.04 | GAN800 | Apparently, from the lists, not a huge amount |
| 17:45.26 | GAN800 | bergie and/or ferenc volunteered to work on that. |
| 17:46.50 | X-Fade | GAN800: Stop poking me!!! :) |
| 17:47.17 | GAN800 | Hey, this one has a treat attached! :D |
| 17:48.40 | konttori | I'm getting permission denied when trying to upload to extras diablo |
| 17:48.45 | X-Fade | Heh. |
| 17:48.50 | konttori | Do I need to get special access to do so? |
| 17:49.10 | konttori | As in, I've previously been able to upload to chinook with no issue |
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| 17:49.52 | X-Fade | konttori: No, that is intended behaviour. |
| 17:50.04 | konttori | So. What do I need to do? |
| 17:50.10 | X-Fade | konttori: Ever since the diablo release, it has been that way. |
| 17:50.21 | X-Fade | konttori: Get your application into extras-devel first. |
| 17:50.21 | konttori | ?? really? Why? |
| 17:50.34 | konttori | Ah - into diablo extras devel I assume |
| 17:50.53 | X-Fade | And promote it via the promoter: https://garage.maemo.org/promoter/diablo |
| 17:50.54 | GAN800 | wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras |
| 17:53.02 | konttori | So, I upload to /var/www/extras-devel/incoming-nonfree/diablo or /var/www/extras-devel/incoming-free/diablo |
| 17:53.28 | X-Fade | konttori: Yes, but obviously we don't want too much non-free. |
| 17:56.15 | konttori | there was no /var/www/extras-devel/incoming-free/diablo |
| 17:56.19 | GeneralAntilles | Modest is faster and more efficient than Gmail webmail on my 867MHz G4. . . . |
| 17:56.21 | konttori | is it just incoming then? |
| 17:57.16 | pH5 | konttori: I've always uploaded to /var/www/extras-devel/incoming-builder/diablo |
| 17:57.39 | X-Fade | konttori: You might want to read the documentation GA posted. |
| 17:57.46 | lcuk | titters |
| 17:57.47 | Anunakin | hey using maemo on SD? can I repatch the kernel? |
| 17:57.56 | Anunakin | hey any using maemo on SD? can I repatch the kernel? |
| 17:58.04 | GeneralAntilles | Anunakin, what does "repatch" mean? |
| 17:58.14 | GeneralAntilles | Reflash a patched kernel? |
| 17:58.19 | RST38h | moo. |
| 17:58.42 | Anunakin | yes |
| 17:58.44 | konttori | AH. Indeed. Now it's uploading. |
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| 17:59.11 | konttori | the non-free is just fine for me. thanks |
| 17:59.11 | Anunakin | GeneralAntilles: because after update ... this stay loading from flash |
| 17:59.13 | X-Fade | Not that the package will reach the repo today... but hey ;) |
| 17:59.21 | konttori | I did scan through the page GA posted. |
| 17:59.48 | konttori | But I was not able to notice what was the 'free' location. anyway, thanks for your help! |
| 18:00.58 | X-Fade | konttori: That is because we don't allow binary uploads to free. We always require source. |
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| 18:01.24 | X-Fade | konttori: And only non-free stuff should go to non-free, otherwise it will be removed. |
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| 18:01.49 | konttori | Well, I'm doing python stuff, so source is in there. However, the builder scripts might not work on it. |
| 18:02.04 | X-Fade | konttori: Check out py2deb. |
| 18:02.39 | GeneralAntilles | Did anybody file a bug about the webmaster mailto on maemo.org server-side error pages being "<webmaster>" |
| 18:02.41 | GeneralAntilles | ? |
| 18:02.47 | X-Fade | Khertan wrote that to package your python script up for the autobuilder. |
| 18:02.59 | GeneralAntilles | doesn't seen one. |
| 18:03.03 | GeneralAntilles | files. |
| 18:03.16 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I can't remember seeing a bug for that. |
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| 18:05.15 | X-Fade | zap, pH5: I'm sorry, the ISP messed up and not it seems they have firewalled off the builder ;) |
| 18:07.50 | GeneralAntilles | "Muhaha, no builder for these losers!" |
| 18:08.28 | kpel | can you install unrar without problems? yesterday the apps manager was saying that the file was corrupted. |
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| 18:10.04 | andre___ | anybody else also having problems with viewing wiki pages or is it just me? it needs several tries here to get the page displayed... |
| 18:10.18 | X-Fade | andre___: Yes, server overloaded. |
| 18:10.22 | andre___ | ok |
| 18:10.41 | GeneralAntilles | #3563 |
| 18:11.01 | GeneralAntilles | We now have an extra type of error message to see when using the wiki |
| 18:11.06 | GeneralAntilles | It's like christmas. |
| 18:12.12 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I like the 'Crap...' one ;) |
| 18:16.05 | Sargun | Maemo is so cool. |
| 18:16.09 | zap | X-Fade: cool |
| 18:16.17 | Sargun | I love your developers. |
| 18:16.18 | zap | yes, maemo is soo cool ;) |
| 18:16.30 | zap | X-Fade: have you read my mail? |
| 18:17.33 | Italodance | news? |
| 18:17.37 | Italodance | new games? |
| 18:17.45 | X-Fade | zap: Let me forward it to marcell, he should be able to look at it. |
| 18:19.18 | zap | I hope it gets fixed :) |
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| 18:26.16 | X-Fade | zap: It seems that the Packages.bz2 file wasn't marked as nocache. The others do. |
| 18:26.22 | Khertan | Hi ... again |
| 18:26.27 | *** topic/#maemo by GeneralAntilles -> Sprint 3 review meeting in #maemo-meeting today @ 19:00 UTC https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint3 | Maemo Summit: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | logs at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ | http://mxr.maemo.org |
| 18:26.38 | X-Fade | zap: So that will be fixed in the near future. |
| 18:26.53 | zap | well I don't know how that cluster tech works :) |
| 18:26.54 | GeneralAntilles | Italodance, the question to "new games?" is always, "No." |
| 18:27.12 | zap | I thought it should propagate changes between different hosts, like OCFS2 does |
| 18:28.04 | X-Fade | zap: There are all kinds of options ;) |
| 18:28.42 | X-Fade | brontide: You should have gotten an invitation by now? |
| 18:28.49 | brontide | yep |
| 18:28.53 | X-Fade | brontide: Great ;) |
| 18:28.55 | GeneralAntilles | lol, how can you claim to "undestand" Red Pill and still try and install the Operating System update. . . . |
| 18:29.38 | brontide | Now I'm just going to have to figure out how to get this to work under PyPackager |
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| 18:29.58 | X-Fade | brontide: Ask Khertan ;) |
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| 18:31.05 | X-Fade | Look, I summoned him. |
| 18:31.36 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
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| 18:33.40 | kkrusty | can I reflash from diablo back to chinook? |
| 18:34.16 | zap | Khertan: don't you know some replacement for g_filename_from_uri() in Python? It's a shame, but I see there isn't a direct wrapper for it... |
| 18:34.58 | GeneralAntilles | kkrusty, sure, but I can't imagine why you would want to. |
| 18:35.28 | kkrusty | GeneralAntilles: Well I couldnt find pidgin and some other packages for diablo |
| 18:35.42 | GeneralAntilles | Just grab the Chinook ones, then. . . . |
| 18:36.05 | kkrusty | GeneralAntilles: then why are they in chinook then? |
| 18:36.21 | GeneralAntilles | Because the package maintainers haven't put them through the Diablo autobuilder. |
| 18:36.26 | GeneralAntilles | In summary, for good reasons. |
| 18:37.33 | GeneralAntilles | Oh hell |
| 18:37.42 | GeneralAntilles | I forgot to attach the error message to #3564 |
| 18:37.52 | GeneralAntilles | Now I can't get maemo.org to throw one. |
| 18:38.23 | brontide | Khertan: if I copy over .ssh keys and gpg keys I should be able to use the auto-upload portion of PyPackager, No? |
| 18:39.02 | kkrusty | GeneralAntilles: Im handing over my N800 to my brother who isnt very linux friendly. I just figured that he could go wrong less with chinook |
| 18:39.18 | GeneralAntilles | Diablo is the way to go. |
| 18:39.25 | kkrusty | feels he didnt have to tell GeneralAntilles his life story but did anyway |
| 18:39.30 | Sargun | How long until Maemo gets on other devices? |
| 18:40.09 | GeneralAntilles | er |
| 18:40.17 | GeneralAntilles | Well, uh, the Beagle can run Maemo. |
| 18:40.17 | thux | hi, in os2008 how i get battery status in command line? |
| 18:40.32 | GeneralAntilles | thux, nitapps.com |
| 18:41.52 | GeneralAntilles | andre___, lol too many mid-air collisions on #3564. I'm not typing my comment out again. |
| 18:42.07 | GeneralAntilles | Anyway, I mostly wanted to see what people think about having a bugzilla link. |
| 18:42.18 | GeneralAntilles | Since we have one for the documentation pages, it might also work on error pages. . . . |
| 18:42.22 | Sargun | GeneralAntilles, I mean, a phone. |
| 18:42.24 | andre___ | GeneralAntilles, you're quick. but i am too! :-P |
| 18:42.34 | andre___ | yeah, the idea is good |
| 18:42.45 | GeneralAntilles | Sargun, "Nokia does not announce future hardware plans." |
| 18:42.57 | GeneralAntilles | Sargun, either way, hopefully not anytime soon. |
| 18:43.02 | Sargun | hehe |
| 18:43.11 | Sargun | hopefully? |
| 18:43.35 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, because cellular BS is bad juju |
| 18:43.46 | Sargun | How come? |
| 18:43.53 | GeneralAntilles | Having to integrate it with Maemo will just negatively impact the whole platform |
| 18:44.18 | GeneralAntilles | Carrier requirements, government requirements. All sorts of stupid crap that takes time and effort away from making Maemo awesome. |
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| 18:44.52 | GeneralAntilles | andre___, can we have all of tz's reports marked moreinfo by default yet? :P |
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| 18:45.23 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, google is DDoSing the website, then? :D |
| 18:45.37 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: And msn and yahoo and... |
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| 18:45.39 | Sargun | too sad: -( |
| 18:45.40 | Sargun | :-( |
| 18:45.49 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Well, it only takes a few more connections. |
| 18:46.36 | andre___ | GeneralAntilles, haha, reminds me of one patch review by Karsten who once wrote "I hereby reject your next patch in advance" Can send you the link if interested :-D |
| 18:47.16 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 18:47.18 | GeneralAntilles | Awesome. |
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| 18:48.09 | andre___ | well, he was totally right. that contributor did nearly everything wrong in his patch |
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| 18:54.11 | Binky | Hi |
| 18:55.51 | Binky | recieved a cold welcome |
| 18:56.06 | X-Fade | Hi Binky ;) |
| 18:56.33 | GeneralAntilles | andre___, how's progress on doing away with "nobody@maemo.org"? |
| 18:56.33 | Binky | Woo Hoo! |
| 18:56.36 | X-Fade | 4 minute meeting warning... |
| 18:57.36 | andre___ | GeneralAntilles, for some components it's good, for many it's that developers tell me that they don't have time to also watch maemo bugmail. again stuff to discuss with bosses in two weeks, hopefully... |
| 18:57.50 | Binky | X-Fade, What? |
| 18:57.51 | GeneralAntilles | They need to make time, then. |
| 18:58.08 | GeneralAntilles | Or delegate somebody to be in charge of their public component. |
| 18:59.01 | andre___ | I know of thoughts to have more people for this |
| 19:00.00 | Binky | oh, l Wanted to ask..., ls there any way to run jar files on ITs? |
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| 19:00.28 | GeneralAntilles | I need a set of all-white clothes for dealing with chlorine. I can never seem to avoid spilling just a little on myself. :\ |
| 19:00.54 | GeneralAntilles | Poke @ everybody. #maemo-meeting |
| 19:00.57 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa |
| 19:01.52 | housetier | jaffa |
| 19:01.57 | housetier | dammit |
| 19:01.57 | Binky | wtf? GeneralAntilles , is that an IRC Channel? |
| 19:02.00 | housetier | wrong paste again |
| 19:02.07 | GeneralAntilles | Binky, yes. |
| 19:02.16 | housetier | today is not a good day for me to be on the internets |
| 19:03.06 | *** topic/#maemo by GeneralAntilles -> Sprint 3 review meeting in #maemo-meeting is going on NOW! https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint3 | Maemo Summit: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | logs at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ | http://mxr.maemo.org |
| 19:04.01 | Binky | what is it for? |
| 19:04.33 | GeneralAntilles | See the URL |
| 19:04.38 | GeneralAntilles | Sprint review meeting for maemo.org |
| 19:05.10 | Binky | l don't get it. |
| 19:05.28 | GeneralAntilles | It's for maemo.org work. |
| 19:05.53 | Binky | Ok,thank you. |
| 19:05.56 | arachnist | is there a known bug about diablo and batteries getting out-of-juice? |
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| 19:06.02 | arachnist | (on n800) |
| 19:06.14 | amr | time to get playing with my 770 again :D |
| 19:07.14 | amr | worth flashing it to 07? |
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| 19:07.29 | GeneralAntilles | I would go whole-hog and install OS2008HE myself. |
| 19:07.31 | GeneralAntilles | ~flashing |
| 19:07.32 | infobot | flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
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| 19:07.39 | amr | heh |
| 19:07.41 | GeneralAntilles | needs to add an SSU section. |
| 19:07.58 | t_s_o | :P |
| 19:08.07 | Binky | amr, if you boot from mmc, yes |
| 19:08.14 | amr | i don't boot from mmc |
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| 19:08.18 | amr | not at the minute, anyway |
| 19:08.23 | atka__ | hello |
| 19:08.34 | atka__ | somebody can help me? |
| 19:11.10 | atka__ | i want to flash my nokia 770 with os2008HE, but i have a small problem |
| 19:11.24 | amr | good timing, i was thinking of doing the same |
| 19:11.40 | atka__ | i download the image, and the flasher-3.0 |
| 19:11.51 | GeneralAntilles | I'd also get flash booting going with that. |
| 19:11.56 | GeneralAntilles | and install the 48MHz kernel |
| 19:12.17 | atka__ | 48mhz kernel, |
| 19:12.19 | atka__ | ? |
| 19:12.38 | GeneralAntilles | For MMC bus speed |
| 19:12.39 | lcuk | memory card memory speedup |
| 19:12.44 | GeneralAntilles | bunanson has a guide up somewhere. |
| 19:12.49 | atka__ | oh |
| 19:12.51 | atka__ | i read it |
| 19:13.04 | t_s_o | bah, why did my 770 have to go wsod... |
| 19:13.20 | amr | :( |
| 19:13.20 | atka__ | but now i want flashing simple my n770 |
| 19:13.32 | GeneralAntilles | t_s_o, warranty? |
| 19:13.39 | GeneralAntilles | atka__, flash away, then. |
| 19:13.42 | lcuk | cos the brightest stars burn quickest |
| 19:13.44 | GeneralAntilles | What's the problem? |
| 19:13.54 | t_s_o | GeneralAntilles: tried, nokia said no as its a usa model and im in norway |
| 19:13.56 | atka__ | Suitable usb device not found, waiting |
| 19:14.03 | atka__ | i plug the charger |
| 19:14.05 | GeneralAntilles | t_s_o, that's so lame. |
| 19:14.09 | lcuk | t_s_o, lame excuse really isnt it |
| 19:14.11 | t_s_o | stupid end of life sale from expansys :( |
| 19:14.11 | atka__ | and this is the problem: |
| 19:14.16 | GeneralAntilles | You got a local consumer protection group you could take that up with? |
| 19:14.52 | lcuk | norway is close enough to take the device directly to finland and camp in the reception of nokia until they replace it. |
| 19:15.03 | amr | lol |
| 19:15.06 | atka__ | Usb device found at bus 001, device adress 003 (and under it:) Error claiming usb interface: operation not permitted |
| 19:15.14 | t_s_o | it also happened after the 21 day complaint time that expansys works with, even tho i would expect it to work like norwegian consumer laws given they have a page and office here. but damned if i can get hold of anyone with half a brain... |
| 19:15.39 | GeneralAntilles | atka__, sudo flasher-3.0 . . . . |
| 19:15.47 | atka__ | hm... |
| 19:15.51 | t_s_o | so i ended up getting a used N800 and have been happy with that so far. still, that 770 is to date a expensive paperweight... |
| 19:15.53 | atka__ | ok, i will test it |
| 19:16.14 | GeneralAntilles | atka__, "operation not permitted" pretty much always means you need root. . . . |
| 19:16.25 | lcuk | on the desktop end |
| 19:16.35 | atka__ | ^^ |
| 19:18.02 | atka__ | oooh yeah |
| 19:18.05 | atka__ | flashing |
| 19:18.08 | atka__ | thank you |
| 19:18.16 | atka__ | and sorry for my lame question :$ |
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| 19:19.24 | lcuk | atka__, dont worry, ive been asking sillier questions for the last 8 months :) |
| 19:19.44 | GeneralAntilles | ^ the hilarious windows user. :P |
| 19:19.48 | lcuk | is eternally grateful to the members here |
| 19:20.09 | amr | i think i'll give thememaker another go |
| 19:20.13 | atka__ | :) |
| 19:21.03 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, :) i think im over my hump with most things now. gaining confidence and kinda seem able to do stuff |
| 19:21.04 | amr | i might just say screw it and buy an n800/n810 |
| 19:21.15 | GeneralAntilles | Do |
| 19:21.23 | GeneralAntilles | They're lightyears ahead of the 770. |
| 19:21.28 | GeneralAntilles | Just ask Hedgecore. |
| 19:21.35 | amr | yeah but i'm not really using my 770 as it is :x |
| 19:21.39 | amr | mostly for ebooks |
| 19:21.55 | amr | i regret not picking an n800 up when they were dirt cheap around january |
| 19:22.03 | GeneralAntilles | ebay |
| 19:22.08 | lcuk | then keep it as is - some people need a calculator but get sold a macbook |
| 19:22.09 | amr | yeah i'm looking right now :D |
| 19:23.05 | lcuk | i could really do with another 8x0 |
| 19:23.40 | amr | another? |
| 19:23.43 | amr | give me yours pls |
| 19:24.11 | atka__ | hmmm the os2008he sexiest than the os2007he :D |
| 19:24.13 | lcuk | no, i need a pair of them to test some networking code |
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| 19:25.02 | amr | ah |
| 19:25.36 | lcuk | its not the same pretending my desktop is another 810 |
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| 19:30.21 | amr | how handy, my tablet only receives data after it has sent some |
| 19:30.24 | amr | like on xchat |
| 19:30.29 | amr | messages only come in after ive just sent one |
| 19:30.35 | GeneralAntilles | psm |
| 19:30.43 | GeneralAntilles | Just let XChat idle. ;) |
| 19:30.54 | amr | i've been trying |
| 19:31.23 | amr | currently sat there with some old messages on it's screen |
| 19:33.13 | amr | :/ |
| 19:33.15 | amr | that's annoying |
| 19:33.35 | GeneralAntilles | Well, it only increases the battery life by about 4 days |
| 19:33.40 | GeneralAntilles | Feel free to turn it off |
| 19:33.55 | amr | what, wireless? |
| 19:33.55 | amr | :p |
| 19:33.55 | GeneralAntilles | It's in the connectivity controls somewhere under advanced. |
| 19:33.59 | amr | oh? |
| 19:34.03 | lcuk | lardman, how do we deal with projects like you suggested where the author is not around |
| 19:34.04 | amr | wtf i didn't know it actually did that |
| 19:34.15 | amr | here i am thinking my router is busted |
| 19:34.17 | amr | or my tablet is |
| 19:34.27 | GeneralAntilles | wifi power saving mode |
| 19:34.31 | lardman | lcuk: no idea, assuming the author can't be contacted, I'm sure X-Fade could make someone new the admin |
| 19:34.37 | GeneralAntilles | Cycles the radio on and off a few times a second. |
| 19:34.53 | lardman | lcuk: it's just that I'd not even seen these |
| 19:34.55 | amr | hmm i don't see it |
| 19:34.57 | lcuk | but thats a bit mean - i suppose people wont mind |
| 19:35.10 | lardman | lcuk: perhaps I need to spend more time browsing Garage to see what's in there :) |
| 19:35.16 | lcuk | i agree - lots of things get started and not completed |
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| 19:35.57 | amr | GeneralAntilles where abouts is it? |
| 19:36.02 | lcuk | yer, like i said - if you wanna head up a programming posse to try to fix up some projects (maybe away from the general mailing list) i would join in where possible |
| 19:36.03 | amr | not seeing a power saving mode option |
| 19:36.19 | lcuk | we can pool our skills and bring specific projects forward a litttle bit :) |
| 19:36.30 | lardman | lcuk: I'm pretty busy atm with what I already have :( |
| 19:36.36 | lcuk | not the only one |
| 19:36.39 | GeneralAntilles | amr, somewhere in the per-connection configuration options. |
| 19:36.42 | GeneralAntilles | There's a tab for it. |
| 19:36.52 | lcuk | just keep it open - people will pull together when needed if the cause is worthwhile |
| 19:36.52 | amr | hmm i'll keep looking then |
| 19:36.53 | amr | thanks |
| 19:37.00 | lcuk | we shall give you a batphone |
| 19:37.06 | lardman | but perhaps a bit of adversiting and a sort of sprint on a project might be good |
| 19:37.22 | atka__ | heh, i start the web browser, and my tablet reboot, nice... :D |
| 19:37.33 | GeneralAntilles | swap on? |
| 19:37.45 | atka__ | omg, no, thanx |
| 19:37.48 | amr | i see 'other' that talks about transmission power |
| 19:37.50 | amr | but not psm |
| 19:37.54 | lcuk | agreed - it was good seeing everyone doing a little bit on the barcode thing :) |
| 19:37.59 | amr | i see i can edit it using gconf though |
| 19:38.11 | GeneralAntilles | atka__, OS2008HE doesn't work without swap. |
| 19:38.14 | lcuk | let us know if you find something decent :) |
| 19:38.19 | GeneralAntilles | amr, OS2007? |
| 19:38.28 | amr | whatever is on the nokia 770 |
| 19:38.32 | amr | so uh, 06? |
| 19:38.38 | GeneralAntilles | OS2005-OS2008 |
| 19:38.44 | GeneralAntilles | Could be anything. ;) |
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| 19:38.53 | GeneralAntilles | Ugly blue/red/green/orange theme? |
| 19:38.56 | lardman | lcuk: I might trawl through Garage and look for projects which a) look cool and/or b) are quiescent |
| 19:38.59 | atka__ | i activate the swap, one minute ^^ |
| 19:39.05 | GeneralAntilles | That configuration was added in OS2007, I believe. |
| 19:39.18 | amr | ah |
| 19:39.19 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe gconf, maybe not configurable in the old OSes. |
| 19:39.41 | amr | (with IT2006, it is not configurable). |
| 19:39.42 | amr | ah shag. |
| 19:39.54 | GeneralAntilles | Put OS2008HE on there |
| 19:39.54 | amr | looks like i'm upgrading |
| 19:39.56 | GeneralAntilles | OS2006 sucks. |
| 19:40.04 | amr | do i need to do anything special other than flash it using the tool? |
| 19:40.14 | GeneralAntilles | Nope |
| 19:40.15 | GeneralAntilles | ~flashing |
| 19:40.16 | infobot | well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 19:40.20 | amr | cool beans, thanks |
| 19:40.24 | GeneralAntilles | Just make sure you enable swap |
| 19:40.38 | GeneralAntilles | and I would look into MMC booting and 48MHz kernel. |
| 19:40.52 | amr | i'll google those too |
| 19:40.52 | amr | thanks |
| 19:41.35 | amr | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22155 |
| 19:41.40 | amr | heh, that looks like exactly what i need |
| 19:41.51 | atka__ | now creating virtual memory for the card ^^ ): |
| 19:41.52 | atka__ | :) |
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| 19:53.49 | atka__ | yeah, working |
| 19:55.30 | lardman | hmm, that authoritative list is curious, are there really that many "hamradio" apps? |
| 19:55.46 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 19:56.06 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, a bit strange. |
| 19:56.26 | lardman | would be tempted to tweak AppManager to lump all non-allowed section tags to be placed under a "Junk" category |
| 19:56.46 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 19:56.58 | GeneralAntilles | I'm not entirely against that as a possible solution. |
| 19:57.09 | lardman | Is there a list of the currently used section tags? |
| 19:57.10 | GeneralAntilles | But I'd rather just see things put in the correct places. |
| 19:57.13 | amr | what on earth is the 'swap key' ? |
| 19:57.15 | lardman | i.e. the ones which we don't want? |
| 19:57.18 | brontide | Why does autobuilder even allow non-sanctioned categories |
| 19:57.20 | GeneralAntilles | amr, Home key. |
| 19:57.25 | amr | ah |
| 19:57.25 | amr | ty |
| 19:57.26 | lardman | brontide: indeed |
| 19:57.36 | GeneralAntilles | brontide, because we don't have a list of what's sanctioned |
| 19:57.48 | GeneralAntilles | and there wasn't a good consensus the last time it was discussed. |
| 19:57.59 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: some people may always want their own category though |
| 19:58.01 | GeneralAntilles | There was a sizeable objection from gcobb. |
| 19:58.12 | GeneralAntilles | Whose opinion should weigh heavily. |
| 19:58.21 | amr | updating, woowoo |
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| 19:59.02 | lardman | I do like the idea of debtags though, not sure how to make it work unconfusingly though |
| 19:59.34 | GeneralAntilles | I really wish we had somebody with a lot of experience and a real opinion. |
| 19:59.47 | GeneralAntilles | Rather than a lot of us just flailing around. |
| 19:59.49 | brontide | maybe an upstream guru |
| 19:59.57 | GeneralAntilles | Sounds like a good idea. |
| 19:59.59 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: I don't see any real problem here though, we just make a decision, see if it works |
| 20:00.00 | amr | i really wish opensource had some nice program designers :< |
| 20:00.01 | GeneralAntilles | Gotta find one. . . . |
| 20:00.04 | amr | instead of good programmers |
| 20:00.18 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, well, it tends to be non-trivial to change these things on the fly. |
| 20:00.21 | amr | as well as good programmers ! |
| 20:00.22 | amr | even |
| 20:00.46 | GeneralAntilles | So getting something in that works well on the first try is important |
| 20:00.58 | brontide | I do like the idea of App manager lumping everything that it doesn't understand into Other |
| 20:01.09 | brontide | and then we can sort it out as we go |
| 20:01.12 | GeneralAntilles | and enforcing capitalization. |
| 20:01.27 | GeneralAntilles | An authoritative list enforcement by Application manager is good for localization, too. |
| 20:01.46 | brontide | How about an autobuilder warning |
| 20:01.48 | amr | oh my |
| 20:01.50 | amr | 2008 is hot. |
| 20:02.02 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: I'll have to re-read the ml posts |
| 20:02.07 | lardman | bbiab |
| 20:02.14 | GeneralAntilles | brontide, maybe. |
| 20:02.28 | brontide | that will bring attention to the issue without changing the status quo |
| 20:02.29 | GeneralAntilles | Personally, I'm in favor of rejecting packages that don't comply. |
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| 20:05.07 | gentooer | do I have to do anything special to install the "OS2008 Feature upgrade 1:4.2008.30-2" if I boot off a SD card? |
| 20:05.57 | milhouse | GA: I think we should be strict, that's probably the easiest option. If it doesn't comply, reject. |
| 20:06.04 | GeneralAntilles | gentooer, nope. |
| 20:06.10 | lardman | GA: You're a pastafarian? |
| 20:06.38 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, only a little around the eyes. ;) |
| 20:06.52 | GeneralAntilles | I'm about as un-religious as they get. |
| 20:07.11 | GeneralAntilles | milhouse, yeah so do I, but we need consensus before we can do that. |
| 20:07.16 | lardman | Just saw your "Praise FSM!" ;) |
| 20:07.46 | milhouse | Can't we just make a decision? :) Getting consensus seems to be one of the biggest problems - I'd say make the decision, and if anyone disagrees then deal with it after. |
| 20:07.47 | amr | is it just my device or is the max volume on 2008he super quiet? |
| 20:07.48 | GeneralAntilles | $DIETY wasn't coming to me, so I went with the next best thing. :D |
| 20:08.05 | GeneralAntilles | milhouse, prod that discussion on -developers again. |
| 20:08.17 | gentooer | GeneralAntilles, i just upgraded and overwrote my modified initfs and now i'm running off internal memory :( |
| 20:08.25 | GeneralAntilles | Some people who actually use the thing had some objections, so. . . . |
| 20:08.48 | milhouse | GA: Has the never ending packages debate kicked off again on -developers? I've not been paying attention to it much of late :( |
| 20:08.50 | GeneralAntilles | gentooer, when fanoush's flasher asks you if you want it to spit out a jffs2 image of the initfs, say "yes" |
| 20:08.55 | GeneralAntilles | Then copy that over to your computer |
| 20:09.08 | GeneralAntilles | Then you can re-flash your initfs with flasher-3.0. |
| 20:09.15 | GeneralAntilles | milhouse, not recently |
| 20:09.28 | GeneralAntilles | I'm still referring to the last big one from a few months ago. |
| 20:09.42 | milhouse | i thought we were close to agreeing a set list of categories, based on the maemo standard ones which everyone ignored ? |
| 20:10.01 | GeneralAntilles | No, the category list isn't the biggest issue |
| 20:10.05 | GeneralAntilles | It's still enforcement. |
| 20:10.09 | milhouse | if we now have autobuilder for extras, isn't it relatively easy just to boot out any non-confirming builds? |
| 20:10.15 | milhouse | oh right gotcha |
| 20:10.32 | milhouse | well, how much consensus do we need? will 2 do? |
| 20:10.33 | amr | ok this may be massively obvious |
| 20:10.33 | milhouse | :) |
| 20:10.42 | amr | but how do i turn the onscreen keyboard back on with 2008he ? |
| 20:10.57 | GeneralAntilles | amr, use center-dpad to activate |
| 20:10.57 | amr | i realise 2008 devices have a hardware keyboard so i assume that's why it's not coming up |
| 20:11.04 | amr | ah i'm a lemon |
| 20:11.04 | GeneralAntilles | Thumb detection is funky in Chinook. |
| 20:11.21 | GeneralAntilles | Diablo fixes it, but Diablo isn't yet (ever?) out for the 770. |
| 20:11.44 | GeneralAntilles | milhouse, we may want to put an RfC on the wiki and CC -developers. |
| 20:11.52 | GeneralAntilles | Give it a few weeks, see what people say, go from there. |
| 20:12.08 | GeneralAntilles | Helping X-Fade get the proposal in good shape is the first step, though. |
| 20:12.39 | milhouse | I would say that sounds perfect - make the proposal, and see what the reaction is... I'd say most will go along with it. |
| 20:12.45 | milhouse | a decision is better than no decision. |
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| 20:13.24 | GeneralAntilles | Oh hell |
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| 20:13.35 | GeneralAntilles | 30-2 disabled maemo.org Extras. |
| 20:13.39 | GeneralAntilles | What the fuck, Nokia?! |
| 20:14.13 | milhouse | so it did - same here |
| 20:14.15 | milhouse | twats. |
| 20:14.16 | brontide | picks jaw up off the floor |
| 20:14.21 | amr | heh, not a good start |
| 20:14.33 | brontide | what do they use for regression testing a magic 8 ball? |
| 20:14.36 | amr | 08he just soiled itself |
| 20:14.38 | GeneralAntilles | That retarded nokia-repositories package. |
| 20:14.56 | GeneralAntilles | andre___, should we add a 4.1+ version? |
| 20:15.05 | atka__ | yeah, i added some of repos... i love os2008 ^^ |
| 20:15.13 | GeneralAntilles | I'm tempted to file this Extras bug as critical . . . |
| 20:15.27 | GeneralAntilles | is thinking out arguments to justify it as "data loss" in his head. |
| 20:15.54 | amr | atka__ is your sound screwed? |
| 20:16.17 | amr | seems like certain frequencies are being dropped |
| 20:16.23 | amr | like vocals in songs are massively reduced |
| 20:16.27 | amr | i can't hear sound effects very well |
| 20:16.59 | andre___ | GeneralAntilles, yeah, also thought about that |
| 20:17.06 | andre___ | will do that tomorrow, ok? |
| 20:17.14 | GeneralAntilles | andre___, yeah, no rush. |
| 20:17.15 | atka__ | amr, i cant mean your question |
| 20:17.29 | atka__ | :$ |
| 20:17.31 | amr | can you hear sound effects okay in 08he? |
| 20:17.52 | atka__ | oh, yes :) |
| 20:18.02 | amr | oh hrm |
| 20:18.22 | atka__ | but i switch off sound effects |
| 20:18.24 | amr | this is frustrating :( |
| 20:18.28 | amr | yeah so do i, but my sound is very broken |
| 20:18.39 | amr | i'll see if it's the same with headphones |
| 20:18.41 | GeneralAntilles | konttori, ping. |
| 20:19.13 | andre___ | GeneralAntilles, i want rush! push me! ;-) |
| 20:19.41 | GeneralAntilles | andre___, do everything now or stick poking will commence in 3... 2... ! |
| 20:19.47 | atka__ | off: there is a hungarian? :) |
| 20:21.11 | andre___ | eeks |
| 20:21.33 | andre___ | Joreggelt. |
| 20:22.02 | atka__ | :D |
| 20:22.27 | atka__ | Neked is. |
| 20:22.50 | amr | yeah my sound is definitely screwed |
| 20:22.59 | amr | and i'm randomly rebooting |
| 20:23.03 | amr | heh, think i'll download the image again |
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| 20:23.29 | amr | ~flashing |
| 20:23.30 | infobot | hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 20:24.52 | GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3566 |
| 20:24.54 | GeneralAntilles | Please vote. |
| 20:25.03 | GeneralAntilles | konttori, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3566 anything you can do to push that internally. |
| 20:25.09 | GeneralAntilles | That's really unacceptable. |
| 20:25.14 | GeneralAntilles | Downright evil, really. |
| 20:25.18 | GeneralAntilles | For a variety of reasons. |
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| 20:27.41 | brontide | GeneralAntilles: vote + comment confirming |
| 20:28.18 | brontide | Love it "Nokia doesn't arbitrarily screw with user settings on a live system." |
| 20:28.38 | GeneralAntilles | Man, that one really got to me. |
| 20:28.45 | GeneralAntilles | Everything about that is wrong |
| 20:28.56 | GeneralAntilles | There's no reason to touch Extras, they aren't changing anything. |
| 20:29.02 | brontide | At this point why isn't Maemo extras enabled by default |
| 20:29.09 | GeneralAntilles | The only repository they need to touch is the Tableteer upgrade repo. |
| 20:29.15 | GeneralAntilles | brontide, ahahah . . . no. |
| 20:29.53 | GeneralAntilles | maemo.org Extras being a community repository and not a Nokia one, they have no business touching it. |
| 20:30.00 | XTL | I didn't notice extras getting disabled.. |
| 20:30.21 | brontide | Then why even list it be default |
| 20:30.25 | GeneralAntilles | The irony of ironies is disabling it with a package named "nokia-repositories" |
| 20:30.29 | brontide | s/be/by/ |
| 20:30.41 | GeneralAntilles | Because it's where people get all of their software from |
| 20:30.48 | XTL | Nope. Actually I got a second one |
| 20:30.54 | GeneralAntilles | So it's just a few taps to un-disable it. |
| 20:31.02 | GeneralAntilles | Rather than having to add it on their own. |
| 20:31.11 | X-Fade | New profile listing is in place. |
| 20:31.12 | brontide | It's just a single tap to run and .install file that will add it |
| 20:31.31 | GeneralAntilles | Meh, you have to open a browser and find a website that has a .install |
| 20:31.35 | GeneralAntilles | That's more work to me. |
| 20:31.45 | XTL | What version of nokia-repository should there be on 30-2? |
| 20:31.49 | GeneralAntilles | brontide, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3279 |
| 20:32.05 | gentooer | is there anyway I can just mount the internal memory partitions and access them directly? |
| 20:32.05 | X-Fade | https://maemo.org/profile/list/category/blogs/ for example. |
| 20:32.12 | GeneralAntilles | XTL, the only repository change is "diablo-1" for the upgrade repository |
| 20:32.20 | GeneralAntilles | Which seems like a bad way to do things to me. :\ |
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| 20:32.25 | amr | how big an mmc do i need for mmcboot? |
| 20:32.29 | amr | 08he if that matters |
| 20:32.36 | GeneralAntilles | amr, at least 256MB |
| 20:32.38 | XTL | (Again, base packages don't show a repo for me on policy) |
| 20:32.40 | amr | oh that's mine |
| 20:32.41 | amr | fine* |
| 20:33.23 | amr | so basically, flash to 08he, get the 48mhz kernel, flash the kernel |
| 20:33.29 | amr | then look at mmc booting? |
| 20:33.36 | GeneralAntilles | amr, right. |
| 20:33.44 | amr | (sorry for being horribly new, i haven't touched my tablet in about a year) |
| 20:33.52 | Anunakin | GeneralAntilles: Are you a user of oeforums? |
| 20:34.04 | GeneralAntilles | Anunakin, no. |
| 20:34.33 | BULLE_ | any particular reason the web-browser grinds to a complete halt whenever you visit a site with more then one or two flash items ? |
| 20:34.38 | BULLE_ | it just runs out of memory or ? |
| 20:34.44 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm, it'd be nice to have a full overview page for karma. |
| 20:34.46 | Anunakin | GeneralAntilles: OK... because on old times... I saw a GA on Zaurus forums |
| 20:35.43 | GeneralAntilles | Having a bunch of separate pages for each individual item is kinda awkward. |
| 20:36.00 | GeneralAntilles | and bugs is missing from the "sort by" list. |
| 20:36.41 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Well, no. Now I can see that yerga is the absolute application king ;) |
| 20:37.53 | GeneralAntilles | 30-2 would actually have been a good opportunity for Nokia to fix the Extras branding in Application manager if they were gonna fuck with it anyway. |
| 20:37.57 | GeneralAntilles | rolleyes. |
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| 20:38.36 | amr | christ i can't even open the repository list |
| 20:39.01 | amr | just rebooted, nice |
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| 20:39.34 | GeneralAntilles | amr, OS2007HE is a bit more stable if OS2008HE doesn't work for you. |
| 20:39.46 | amr | yeah i might have to give that a bash, heh |
| 20:39.50 | GeneralAntilles | I use OS2008HE and like it a lot, but it's hit or miss for some people. |
| 20:39.53 | amr | which tablet do you have? |
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| 20:40.49 | GeneralAntilles | 770 and N800 |
| 20:40.57 | amr | son of a bitch... |
| 20:41.02 | amr | it restarted again trying to open the repos list |
| 20:41.07 | GeneralAntilles | BULLE, because flash is slow and shitty. |
| 20:41.30 | GeneralAntilles | BULLE, flash brings my 2x2.5GHz G5 grinding to a halt sometimes. |
| 20:41.35 | amr | lol |
| 20:41.40 | GeneralAntilles | We have 400MHz and very little RAM to work with. |
| 20:42.06 | amr | 07he is being downloaded |
| 20:42.19 | amr | what a pain |
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| 20:42.44 | GeneralAntilles | amr, I'd just get an N800 and call it a day. ;) |
| 20:42.47 | amr | heh |
| 20:42.50 | amr | i'm very tempted |
| 20:42.55 | amr | oh it rebooted again :x |
| 20:43.15 | GeneralAntilles | Something's probably wrong. |
| 20:43.28 | amr | it's the applications manager that does it |
| 20:43.35 | GeneralAntilles | could be a corrupt sources.list |
| 20:43.42 | amr | hum |
| 20:43.52 | GeneralAntilles | Though odd that the watchdog would kick in for that. . . . |
| 20:44.28 | amr | it's computers - they're generally odd :( |
| 20:46.55 | amr | i don't know whether it's doing it automatically after a time |
| 20:47.06 | amr | i just typed in to x-term: cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:47.16 | amr | and as soon as i hit tab to complete sources.list - it rebooted |
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| 20:47.21 | GeneralAntilles | It also kills it when it goes too lock in a CPU lock |
| 20:47.24 | GeneralAntilles | Oh? |
| 20:47.29 | GeneralAntilles | Sounds broken. |
| 20:47.33 | amr | sounds massively broken |
| 20:47.38 | GeneralAntilles | Reflash? |
| 20:47.43 | GeneralAntilles | Odd, though. |
| 20:47.49 | amr | already done with a newly downloaded copy of 08 |
| 20:47.52 | amr | i'll give 07 a go |
| 20:48.01 | amr | anything critical in 08 that isn't in 07? |
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| 20:48.12 | GeneralAntilles | A lot of fixes and improvements. |
| 20:48.16 | amr | oh :( |
| 20:48.24 | GeneralAntilles | New software compatibility. |
| 20:48.32 | GeneralAntilles | I'd try 07 and see how it goes, though, |
| 20:48.35 | amr | well i made do with 06, hopefully 07 will do |
| 20:48.42 | GeneralAntilles | It's not super-critical. |
| 20:50.18 | GeneralAntilles | andre___, happen to recall the "tap-to-hide-notification-banner" bug number? |
| 20:50.32 | GeneralAntilles | Ahaha |
| 20:50.59 | GeneralAntilles | "It was my understanding that once OS2008/Diablo was installed, that future updates to the OS would not require a reboot". |
| 20:51.01 | GeneralAntilles | Awesome. |
| 20:51.15 | GeneralAntilles | Guess that guy is really, _really_ concerned about uptime, eh? |
| 20:51.32 | andre___ | well. i think he's just a very average user. |
| 20:51.51 | andre___ | err, don't even know which bug exactly you have in mind |
| 20:51.59 | GeneralAntilles | It's a Sean Luke bug |
| 20:52.01 | GeneralAntilles | I'll find it |
| 20:52.18 | timelyx | chuckles |
| 20:52.25 | timelyx | my ipod required a reboot (or 2) for 2.0.1 |
| 20:52.33 | timelyx | reboots are not really a serious concern |
| 20:52.49 | timelyx | a more interesting requirement is that you actually be able to use SSU at all |
| 20:52.55 | timelyx | is somewhat concerned about that part |
| 20:53.11 | andre___ | GeneralAntilles, 1253? |
| 20:53.25 | GeneralAntilles | That's the one |
| 20:53.31 | GeneralAntilles | I think that's resolved for Diablo |
| 20:53.41 | GeneralAntilles | most infobanners seem to go away when I tap them now, anyway. |
| 20:53.53 | andre___ | not all. |
| 20:53.56 | amr | heh, it was 08 that broke my sound, 07 seems to be okay |
| 20:54.08 | GeneralAntilles | No, active ones like "Updating..." don't |
| 20:54.17 | andre___ | i'm still annoyed that after removing the lock and tapping the loudspeaker symbol, i have to wait to change the volume |
| 20:54.21 | timelyx | BULLE: you shouldn't expect anything to handle multiple flash applets well |
| 20:54.28 | GeneralAntilles | But stupid ones like "Nokia thinks they're a really green company, and thinks this banner will impress you" do. |
| 20:54.39 | andre___ | haha |
| 20:54.45 | Veggen | ok, det ble ikke mer enn fire mil på sykkel. Vel, det holder vel. |
| 20:54.57 | Veggen | (pent og rolig og se seg om blir det jo sånn) |
| 20:55.15 | GeneralAntilles | is still really pissed about that bug. |
| 20:55.26 | Veggen | uh, wrong channel. |
| 20:55.28 | andre___ | Veggen, does that really belong here? :-) |
| 20:55.29 | GeneralAntilles | They've added it to the charing screen, too. . . |
| 20:55.32 | andre___ | ah :) |
| 20:56.20 | GeneralAntilles | If Nokia ACTUALLY gave two licks about the environment, they'd stop producing billions and billions of disposable cellphones. |
| 20:56.29 | GeneralAntilles | Hypocrisy at its finest. |
| 20:56.30 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: i was in the meeting about that |
| 20:56.38 | timelyx | it was very depressing |
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| 20:56.53 | timelyx | but basically my understanding is that it came from some EU reg |
| 20:57.04 | GeneralAntilles | No shit? |
| 20:57.10 | timelyx | and basically had nothing to do w/ being green and everything to do w/ regulatory compliance |
| 20:57.17 | GeneralAntilles | Awesome. |
| 20:57.26 | timelyx | ~free market ftw |
| 20:57.35 | GeneralAntilles | Can't they ship a US-only firmware so as to not piss me the fuck off? :D |
| 20:57.50 | timelyx | i was there because i was making some other ChangeRequest and we got lumped together |
| 20:57.54 | timelyx | heh |
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| 20:58.49 | GeneralAntilles | andre___, I'm so used to that stupid lock banner that I don't even notice anymore. |
| 20:58.57 | GeneralAntilles | Yet another reason we need soft poweroff. |
| 20:59.55 | andre___ | ...and i should stop working for today and get into a club. well, half an hour left :) |
| 21:01.35 | timelyx | andre___: so... how's templating? :) |
| 21:02.03 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, wow, you seem like you've had a rough day |
| 21:02.16 | crashanddie | chill, you're the king of nerves bro |
| 21:02.36 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, nah, I'm fine, just one of my steam release sessions re: Nokia. ;) |
| 21:02.39 | andre___ | timelyx, another topic for tonight? no way, ping tomorrow again ;-) |
| 21:02.58 | crashanddie | oh yeah, tonight was supposed to be a sprint, right ? |
| 21:03.07 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, just finished up a little while ago |
| 21:03.11 | crashanddie | lol |
| 21:03.14 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: can you ping sjgadsby about adding back bugjars to the blog w/ proper dates? |
| 21:03.21 | crashanddie | I think I'm going to give titles to those sprints |
| 21:03.31 | GeneralAntilles | timelyx, I'll send him a PM. |
| 21:03.34 | crashanddie | last month's sprint "the one with way too much things on it" |
| 21:03.35 | timelyx | thanks |
| 21:03.49 | crashanddie | and this month's "the one nobody knew anything about" |
| 21:03.52 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/ logs'll be there whenever X-Fade posts them. |
| 21:04.04 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, thanks |
| 21:04.05 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, I thought it was on the 22nd for some reason. |
| 21:04.20 | crashanddie | 4 days ago the wiki page was empty as hell |
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| 21:04.38 | crashanddie | well, not that hell has been near emptiness at any point, but still |
| 21:04.49 | *** topic/#maemo by GeneralAntilles -> Sprint 3 review meeting in #maemo-meeting is complete https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint4 logs http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/ | Maemo Summit: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | logs at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ | http://mxr.maemo.org |
| 21:05.55 | GeneralAntilles | maemo.org seems to be held together with bailing wire at the moment |
| 21:05.57 | andre___ | crashanddie, that's quite normal because people were working on Sprint3 at that time ;-) |
| 21:06.33 | crashanddie | andre___, oh btw, you the one I talked about belgium after last sprint ? |
| 21:06.54 | andre___ | crashanddie, yes :) |
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| 21:07.17 | crashanddie | andre___, I managed to get the 1h30 long video about Belgium splitting |
| 21:07.25 | crashanddie | andre___, I can share a link if you want :) |
| 21:07.44 | andre___ | yes! :) |
| 21:07.48 | andre___ | great! |
| 21:08.13 | crashanddie | hang on |
| 21:08.57 | crashanddie | andre___, it's in french with dutch subs, it's the best I could get, really |
| 21:09.17 | andre___ | it's both fine, definitely |
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| 21:10.14 | andre___ | though i have to decide whether to listen or to read. hmm :) |
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| 21:10.53 | GeneralAntilles | timelyx, pinged. |
| 21:12.02 | timelyx | thx |
| 21:15.47 | GeneralAntilles | wishes guenther had been at the sprint review so he could've poked him about the templates. |
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| 21:16.41 | andre___ | GeneralAntilles, he's got his birthday today. he should be back tomorrow |
| 21:17.00 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 21:17.07 | GeneralAntilles | has a birthday present for him. :D |
| 21:19.50 | lardman | night all |
| 21:20.17 | timelyx | andre___: so um |
| 21:20.22 | timelyx | 4.1+ sucks |
| 21:20.33 | timelyx | could we possibly use 4.1, 4.1.1, 4.1.2, ... ? |
| 21:20.44 | timelyx | i think you'll find there are going to be a number of those |
| 21:21.07 | GeneralAntilles | I doubt anybody will actually be able to say it'll be coming with that sort of certainty. |
| 21:21.19 | GeneralAntilles | A bunch of Modest updates didn't make 30-2 |
| 21:21.40 | timelyx | well, predicting when things happen is hard |
| 21:21.52 | timelyx | but once they're resolved, it's certainly possible to fix things to the proper release |
| 21:22.14 | GeneralAntilles | Certainly |
| 21:23.08 | crashanddie | is tempted to add "Happy BDay Guenther !" in the topic, but considering the formal topics in this channel, resists |
| 21:23.35 | andre___ | timelyx, it's been like always... i asked nokia folks, and nokia folks couldn't tell me any plans. from nowadays point of view i prefer .1 and .2 too, but at that time i had no idea whether nokia will have huge updates (like yesterday) or maybe release only one package at a time |
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| 21:24.08 | andre___ | at least it would make querying for changes included in version X a little bit easier |
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| 21:25.18 | andre___ | but i agree that "4.1+" is becoming vague now, especially if there's going to be a second update |
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| 21:25.40 | andre___ | ...the General agrees here? that's nearly a bugsquad majority then ;-) |
| 21:26.12 | GeneralAntilles | I don't have a strong opinion either way |
| 21:26.20 | GeneralAntilles | There are issues with both implementations |
| 21:26.27 | GeneralAntilles | But 4.1+ is really ugly |
| 21:26.32 | andre___ | what's the issues with having .1 and .2? |
| 21:26.48 | andre___ | yeah, i expected smaller and more often updates at that time |
| 21:27.00 | GeneralAntilles | Well, it's likely to piss some people off when Nokia doesn't ship fixes according to the TM. |
| 21:27.15 | crashanddie | you know, there's always a way |
| 21:27.23 | timelyx | fwiw, one approach you can use |
| 21:27.25 | crashanddie | ship a new update, every wednesday (or other day of the week) |
| 21:27.26 | timelyx | is make a 4.1+ |
| 21:27.32 | timelyx | and then rename it to 4.1.1 |
| 21:27.35 | crashanddie | even if there's no real work :P |
| 21:27.35 | timelyx | and then make a new 4.1+ |
| 21:27.37 | crashanddie | (done) |
| 21:27.40 | timelyx | and move things out that miss the boat |
| 21:27.51 | timelyx | in the case where very few things actually make the boat |
| 21:27.53 | timelyx | just make 4.1 |
| 21:27.56 | timelyx | err 4.1.1 |
| 21:28.32 | GeneralAntilles | Weeklies are how they do it for the internal testing. |
| 21:28.51 | GeneralAntilles | guesses he should remove the maemo logo from the ITOS article. . . . |
| 21:28.52 | crashanddie | bimonthly would be nice, too |
| 21:28.56 | timelyx | don't expect weeklies for public releases |
| 21:29.03 | crashanddie | why not ? |
| 21:29.15 | timelyx | because weekly is our increment of work |
| 21:29.21 | crashanddie | just make two versions, bleeding edge, and stable |
| 21:29.27 | timelyx | um |
| 21:29.30 | timelyx | splitting qa is bad |
| 21:29.35 | timelyx | we're already splitting engineering |
| 21:29.53 | crashanddie | bleh, splitting engineers isn't that hard |
| 21:30.05 | GeneralAntilles | gets out a chainsaw. |
| 21:30.10 | crashanddie | just a nice big whack with an axe |
| 21:30.21 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, polluter |
| 21:30.29 | GeneralAntilles | and proud of it! |
| 21:30.32 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, think of the children ! |
| 21:30.45 | andre___ | well, current update has a 30 in it. it was made public in 33. i don't think weekly public updates make sense right now, while having a beta of fremantle will make sense (different topic) |
| 21:30.51 | GeneralAntilles | Alternative answer: but it's a hybrid! |
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| 21:31.48 | GeneralAntilles | I wish I had an answer for the wikipedia branding. |
| 21:31.49 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, using hybrid doesn't make you eco-friendly, it just makes you a sheep who buys the marketing's latest invention |
| 21:31.50 | GeneralAntilles | ;) |
| 21:32.20 | crashanddie | timelyx, I know we'll never see weekly/bimonthly updates, it's just wishful thinking |
| 21:32.37 | crashanddie | though, am I right in believing the browser has gained some serious speed ? |
| 21:32.41 | crashanddie | or just placebo effect ? |
| 21:32.50 | GeneralAntilles | It has gained speed. |
| 21:32.58 | GeneralAntilles | Especially with opening/closing windows. |
| 21:33.14 | crashanddie | well, I've been feeling loading pages is quite faster |
| 21:33.25 | crashanddie | quite a bit, actually |
| 21:33.51 | GeneralAntilles | I had a bit of a "this is where we should've been in 2005" moment when I used it. |
| 21:34.06 | crashanddie | lol |
| 21:34.11 | crashanddie | 2005 ? With the 770 ? |
| 21:34.52 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, you know, if people had started off seeing the NIT for what it was, instead of porting huge code-bases and then blaming the hardware for not being fast enough, we wouldn't be in such a mess right now |
| 21:35.05 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 21:35.27 | GeneralAntilles | can't wait for Fremantle MicroB. |
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| 21:35.37 | crashanddie | I'm not waiting for MicroB anymore |
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| 21:35.44 | crashanddie | I think I'm going to start writing my own browser |
| 21:35.45 | XTL | I never was |
| 21:35.51 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 21:35.53 | GeneralAntilles | goodluckwiththat |
| 21:36.07 | crashanddie | [clarkson] How hard can it be? [/clarkson] |
| 21:36.11 | XTL | :-D |
| 21:36.15 | crashanddie | well, not the whole browser, obviously |
| 21:36.31 | crashanddie | but, things like the UI, stuff like that |
| 21:36.33 | GeneralAntilles | A need MicroB front-end not crippled by Nokia would be nice, though. |
| 21:36.57 | gregorovius | hey... I'm curious about ogg vorbis in diablo, anyone knows when it might be ready? |
| 21:37.09 | gregorovius | s/ogg vorbis/ogg vorbis support/ |
| 21:37.23 | crashanddie | like, not having the boggled menus in the way, taking up god knows how much screen real estate |
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| 21:37.40 | GeneralAntilles | gregorovius, held up by managers and lawyers. . . . |
| 21:37.48 | crashanddie | having panning feel snippy and good responsiveness |
| 21:37.52 | timelyx | crashanddie: contribute to fennec :) |
| 21:37.53 | crashanddie | I'm tired of sluggish browsers |
| 21:38.06 | GeneralAntilles | xul is such a space eater |
| 21:38.14 | timelyx | shrugs |
| 21:38.20 | crashanddie | Do you guys know fennec is slang for something not nice in french ? |
| 21:38.24 | crashanddie | (but then again, almost everything is) |
| 21:38.28 | timelyx | fennec argues that you'll have no onscreen space spent on xul |
| 21:38.55 | GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fennec_Fox |
| 21:39.50 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, have you ever seen one of those ? |
| 21:39.53 | crashanddie | I mean, for real ? |
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| 21:40.08 | GeneralAntilles | Likely at a zoo somewhere, but I couldn't say for certain. ;) |
| 21:40.08 | crashanddie | those things STINK ! |
| 21:40.32 | GeneralAntilles | Most animals do. ;) |
| 21:40.35 | crashanddie | no |
| 21:40.38 | crashanddie | most animals have an odour |
| 21:40.44 | crashanddie | Fennecs stink |
| 21:40.49 | gregorovius | GeneralAntilles: what do you mean? it's already working but held up by burocracy? |
| 21:41.09 | crashanddie | timelyx, I've been thinking about it |
| 21:41.15 | GeneralAntilles | gregorovius, I don't know about anything Nokia has internally, but it's not really technical issues holding things up. |
| 21:41.24 | Sargun | Nokia is having some weirdness |
| 21:41.27 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 21:41.36 | GeneralAntilles | They were weird about OGG in HTML 5. |
| 21:42.23 | crashanddie | anyway, I'm going to watch 28 weeks later |
| 21:42.24 | gregorovius | is there any way to unoficially fix this in the meanwhile? I installed mogg from the chinook repo and youamp, but I'd rather use ogg-support with canola |
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| 21:42.33 | crashanddie | I need to fry my brain a bit with poor acting |
| 21:43.01 | dmz | anyone happen to know if a headset+mic that works with the nokia n810? (other than what came with it, a real headset for skype or sip) |
| 21:43.16 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, action's pretty good |
| 21:43.20 | pupnik | TO UNDERSTAND GEORGIA LISTEN TO THIS http://www.kaosradioaustin.org/audio/download/4102/Anti-War_Radio_%2811am_on_Aug_12th%2C_2008%29.mp3 |
| 21:43.26 | crashanddie | how doesn't the one that came with it not work, dmz ? |
| 21:43.29 | GeneralAntilles | The sniper scene is quite a thing to watch. |
| 21:43.44 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, no spoilers, kthxbai |
| 21:44.02 | crashanddie | dmz, and other than that, I use the Nokia BT earpiece... 300 something |
| 21:44.03 | dmz | crashanddie i need a better quality, i want it to not fall off, have better pick-up. i have a good headset for my cisco voip phone, good headset=good quality call |
| 21:44.43 | crashanddie | dmz, from my experience (been on the SIP phone nearly 6 hours, today only), the call quality depends highly on the other end phone |
| 21:45.05 | crashanddie | dmz, with my mother, there's horrible buzzing and echo, with my gf, the call is fine, really, quite awesome actually |
| 21:45.12 | GeneralAntilles | dmz, it's a standard 3-channel 3.5mm plug. |
| 21:45.15 | dmz | my cisco 7960 has great quality, when i tried my nokia it sounded grainy |
| 21:45.26 | dmz | generalantilles, thank you that's what i needed |
| 21:45.47 | GeneralAntilles | Shit |
| 21:46.04 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you's unlocked package may be causing some weirdness. . . . |
| 21:48.19 | Sargun | I like my Polycom IP501 |
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| 21:49.09 | crashanddie | lol... Proof of challenged Cops: http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/6086/image001rv5.jpg |
| 21:51.40 | amr | 07 seems to be playing nicely |
| 21:51.45 | amr | now i need to add my repos back in :< |
| 21:52.00 | amr | is maemo.org/downloads being funny for anyony else? |
| 21:52.09 | amr | getting errors from squid |
| 21:53.12 | GeneralAntilles | amr, the sites split up over two datacenters and was just moved this morning. |
| 21:53.19 | amr | ahh |
| 21:53.23 | amr | that'd answer it |
| 21:53.25 | GeneralAntilles | Just keep reloading until it works. |
| 21:53.32 | amr | hitting f5 a bunch of times seems to work |
| 21:53.33 | amr | ah yea |
| 21:53.34 | GeneralAntilles | Server upgrade are imminent |
| 21:53.41 | GeneralAntilles | It'll probably be up to speed in a couple weeks. |
| 21:53.50 | GeneralAntilles | s/upgrade/upgrades/ |
| 21:54.08 | amr | what codename is 07? bora? |
| 21:54.36 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 21:54.47 | GeneralAntilles | 2008/4.0 is Chinook |
| 21:54.50 | amr | swish |
| 21:54.52 | GeneralAntilles | 2008/4.1 Diablo |
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| 22:03.49 | khertan | Hi again |
| 22:04.08 | khertan | autobuilder problem is still not resolved ? |
| 22:04.21 | GeneralAntilles | khertan, ISP-side, doubtful. |
| 22:04.52 | khertan | GeneralAntilles: does maemo is hosted on a free ISP ? |
| 22:05.02 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 22:05.09 | GeneralAntilles | Seems like it, doesn't it. ;) |
| 22:05.41 | khertan | so this is really a winmodem driver problem with the 33.6k modem |
| 22:06.24 | khertan | thx for the info GeneralAntilles |
| 22:06.31 | khertan | so ... i ll go sleeping |
| 22:06.36 | GeneralAntilles | They firewalled off the autobuilder machine or something stupid |
| 22:06.37 | GeneralAntilles | night |
| 22:06.45 | khertan | good night |
| 22:07.14 | GAN800 | is really digging Modest for mobile use. |
| 22:10.08 | summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: really? Modest seems to be really slow |
| 22:10.26 | summatusmentis | althouhg i'm using IMAP, and 1x connection |
| 22:10.34 | GAN800 | lol. . . . |
| 22:12.23 | GAN800 | The application list just keeps looking better. |
| 22:13.12 | amr | i wish openssh would install faster :( |
| 22:13.15 | amr | ah there we go |
| 22:13.25 | GAN800 | Keys have to be generated |
| 22:13.37 | GAN800 | Slow on 252MHz. ;) |
| 22:14.11 | amr | yeah, heh |
| 22:14.18 | amr | ok, it says it changed my root password |
| 22:14.20 | amr | but it didn't? |
| 22:14.30 | *** join/#maemo secureendpoints (i=chatzill@125.sub-75-216-195.myvzw.com) |
| 22:14.40 | GAN800 | did it give you a prompt? |
| 22:14.48 | amr | it did |
| 22:14.52 | amr | i entered a new password |
| 22:14.58 | amr | but sudo -s says the password is wrong |
| 22:15.11 | GAN800 | You entered a new password there? |
| 22:15.16 | amr | yea |
| 22:15.16 | GAN800 | oh |
| 22:15.22 | amr | hrm |
| 22:15.26 | GAN800 | user password wasn't set |
| 22:15.39 | amr | hm? |
| 22:15.41 | crashanddie | GAN800, you know what's surprising about 28 weeks/days later ? |
| 22:16.16 | crashanddie | GAN800, I've seen *loads* of gore flicks, even the worst you can imagine. But 28* are part of the very few that still scare the shit out of me |
| 22:16.31 | amr | can't wait for 28 months later |
| 22:16.40 | crashanddie | 28 years :/ |
| 22:16.45 | GAN800 | Hehe |
| 22:16.54 | crashanddie | 28 generations |
| 22:16.55 | amr | lol |
| 22:17.00 | amr | can keep it going for a while |
| 22:17.08 | crashanddie | 28 centuries |
| 22:17.10 | amr | hm, shag |
| 22:17.13 | GAN800 | I don't remember the last horror flick that really got to me. |
| 22:17.18 | amr | i wonder if i reinstall becomeroot it will work? |
| 22:17.25 | GAN800 | amr, do |
| 22:17.34 | crashanddie | after a while, people won't even remember what the first one was... "yeah, but 28 x later than what ?" |
| 22:17.37 | amr | ok, i'll give it a whack |
| 22:18.38 | amr | it appears not |
| 22:18.42 | amr | still asks for password :( |
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| 22:18.54 | GAN800 | sudo gainroot4 |
| 22:18.57 | GAN800 | sudo gainroot |
| 22:19.09 | amr | my bad |
| 22:19.12 | amr | it did work, i typo'd |
| 22:19.38 | GeneralAntilles | sudo uses user password |
| 22:19.42 | GeneralAntilles | There is no user password |
| 22:19.47 | amr | yeah |
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| 22:28.19 | Sargun | How many packages are in the SDK? |
| 22:29.10 | *** join/#maemo amr- (n=amr@cpc2-leed7-0-0-cust551.leed.cable.ntl.com) |
| 22:29.23 | amr | let's see if i disabled psm right |
| 22:29.28 | GeneralAntilles | Sargun, lots. |
| 22:29.34 | Sargun | GeneralAntilles, decimal? |
| 22:29.44 | Sargun | I'm wondering if this will finish today. |
| 22:29.57 | Sargun | 92% [485 libsmbclient-dbg 11222/831kB 1%] 7779B/s 27m54s |
| 22:30.01 | Sargun | How long do I have left? |
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| 22:32.54 | Sargun | a staffer? |
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| 22:33.22 | crashanddie | wut, you think staff isn't allowed in #maemo ? |
| 22:33.30 | crashanddie | Welcome denny, how may we help you ? |
| 22:33.45 | Sargun | Staff is sort of like the secret police |
| 22:33.54 | Sargun | they only come out when they want to screw with something |
| 22:33.56 | denny | I'm okay thanks... haven't broken my 810 lately :) |
| 22:34.00 | denny | laughs |
| 22:34.03 | crashanddie | hah :) |
| 22:34.03 | Sargun | ;-P |
| 22:34.08 | crashanddie | see Sargun, told ya |
| 22:34.13 | Sargun | Sureeee. |
| 22:34.26 | Sargun | maemo.org has been acting really odd lately. |
| 22:34.28 | denny | I should do the A-GPS upgrade at some point |
| 22:34.35 | denny | be nice to have GPS that actually worked |
| 22:34.41 | GeneralAntilles | Sargun, it's in two datacenters at the moment. |
| 22:34.45 | GeneralAntilles | Be happy it's up at all. ;) |
| 22:34.52 | crashanddie | denny, well, you'll need to have internet connectivity |
| 22:35.10 | crashanddie | denny, A-GPS really only is a show-and-tell helper for the GPS to start with |
| 22:35.14 | denny | nods |
| 22:35.23 | Sargun | GeneralAntilles, do you work for Nokia? |
| 22:35.26 | denny | that's what it needs though |
| 22:35.37 | GeneralAntilles | Sargun, no, just an enthusiastic community member. |
| 22:35.38 | denny | same chip as the N82 I have, but that gets initial location from cell masts |
| 22:35.40 | crashanddie | no, GeneralAntilles is just a student in his pants |
| 22:35.42 | denny | locks in seconds |
| 22:35.56 | pupnik | fuckin make babies |
| 22:35.57 | pupnik | and make sure they grow up ok |
| 22:35.58 | pupnik | then you have some spawn for when you die |
| 22:35.59 | pupnik | what the bitch likes for music or politics is NOT IMPORTANT |
| 22:36.02 | denny | whereas the N810 can fail to lock for 10, 20 minutes |
| 22:36.07 | crashanddie | pupnik, wut the hell ? |
| 22:36.08 | andre___ | crashanddie, pants? what's the webcam URL? |
| 22:36.09 | Sargun | Isn't it going to retry: |
| 22:36.14 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:36.14 | Sargun | Err http://repository.maemo.org diablo/sdk/free libx11-6-dbg 2:1.1.1-1osso3 |
| 22:36.14 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:36.14 | Sargun | Get:502 http://repository.maemo.org diablo/sdk/free libxau6-dbg 1:1.0.3-2osso1 [15.0kB] |
| 22:36.15 | Sargun | :-/ |
| 22:36.18 | Sargun | or will it quit |
| 22:36.20 | Sargun | and fail. |
| 22:36.29 | GeneralAntilles | Sargun, give it a day or two. |
| 22:36.31 | crashanddie | Sargun, wget will retry, and resume where possible |
| 22:36.40 | Sargun | Is that wget? |
| 22:36.43 | pupnik | if you like linux, make babies.. crashanddie |
| 22:37.05 | Sargun | babies! |
| 22:37.18 | crashanddie | pupnik, weed is bad for your health, worse yet, it's bad for y00 karm4 |
| 22:37.22 | crashanddie | pupnik-- |
| 22:37.37 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik's plan for populating the world with Linux babies. :D |
| 22:37.59 | crashanddie | I think we'll be facing extinction soon the |
| 22:38.03 | crashanddie | s/the/then/ |
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| 22:38.35 | crashanddie | ponders lighting a fag in his non-smoking flat... |
| 22:38.37 | pupnik | everyone in #maemo must have MANY SPAWN |
| 22:38.54 | pupnik | we're talkin obscene amounts of children |
| 22:39.07 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik's child army |
| 22:39.08 | crashanddie | denny, no but really, can we do something for you ? You're giving me the creeps, just sitting there, saying nothing :P |
| 22:39.17 | Sargun | Can I paste 5 lines? |
| 22:39.19 | crashanddie | denny, use your NIT, and don't login :P |
| 22:39.26 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, he's here frequently. |
| 22:39.29 | GeneralAntilles | Watching you. |
| 22:39.31 | crashanddie | yeah I know |
| 22:39.31 | andre___ | Sargun: five?!?! ;-) |
| 22:39.34 | crashanddie | that's the problem |
| 22:39.38 | crashanddie | Sargun, slexy.org |
| 22:39.40 | Sargun | http://pastebin.ca/1168795 |
| 22:39.42 | Sargun | fine. |
| 22:39.43 | GeneralAntilles | He's like Ceiling Freenode Staffer. ;) |
| 22:39.45 | Sargun | anyways |
| 22:40.04 | GeneralAntilles | had 3 staffers in a 10-person clan channel for a little while. |
| 22:40.05 | Sargun | how do I got about fixing |
| 22:40.20 | crashanddie | yeah, and he just needs to look weird at a router, and there's a Freenode Catastaffee |
| 22:40.34 | crashanddie | servers going down, services bouncing back and forth |
| 22:42.21 | *** join/#maemo SDuensin (n=Scott@185.sub-75-205-59.myvzw.com) |
| 22:42.26 | crashanddie | btw |
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| 22:42.50 | crashanddie | Isn't it really *sad* how the Contact feature in OS2008 doesn't even permit you to save an actual *home address* |
| 22:43.18 | crashanddie | and I'm guessing, the saddest part, is that nobody actually noticed up till now |
| 22:43.22 | crashanddie | </sarcasm> |
| 22:43.43 | andre___ | there IS a bug report for it |
| 22:43.48 | andre___ | so you're not the only one |
| 22:43.51 | *** part/#maemo CVirus (n=Satan@41.196.146.70) |
| 22:43.58 | crashanddie | ok |
| 22:44.10 | crashanddie | how do I have to spell it out so people notice the </sarcasm> tag ? |
| 22:44.14 | Sargun | crosses his fingers |
| 22:44.25 | Sargun | crashanddie, SARCASM!!!111!!11!!! |
| 22:44.38 | andre___ | home address? is that this place where people live in reallife? |
| 22:44.50 | Sargun | andre___, Yes, its obsolete. |
| 22:45.11 | Sargun | Nokia is moving techforward. Where people's homes are not existent |
| 22:45.12 | andre___ | i heard stories from my parents about it |
| 22:45.13 | Sargun | or used |
| 22:45.18 | Sargun | we will all use teleporters |
| 22:45.42 | andre___ | i have an astral body projection for that stuff |
| 22:46.41 | crashanddie | Sometimes I wonder if you guys just want to get into bash.org, or if you really believe the joke isn't old after 7 lines ? |
| 22:47.14 | GeneralAntilles | Who voted this guy the humor police? :P |
| 22:47.44 | andre___ | what joke? |
| 22:47.51 | crashanddie | No one voted, you thought this was a democracy ? |
| 22:48.00 | andre___ | democracy never worked out. |
| 22:48.03 | crashanddie | and btw, it's "humour" :P |
| 22:48.04 | GeneralAntilles | pulls out his op. |
| 22:48.36 | andre___ | best parades and shows are still done by regimes, see the olympics opening for example. hence there's a good reason for regimes to exist |
| 22:48.46 | GeneralAntilles | Woo, parades! |
| 22:48.58 | crashanddie | andre___, have you ever seen the red army dancers remixed to RunDMC ? |
| 22:49.13 | GeneralAntilles | The good thing is that with HDTV you don't even need to be a part of one to see them! |
| 22:49.15 | andre___ | nope :) |
| 22:49.20 | crashanddie | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KoQb8vb4blA |
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| 22:50.06 | andre___ | procastinating |
| 22:50.52 | GeneralAntilles | lol, looks like they got a little West Side Story going on there for a second. |
| 22:51.14 | dmsuperman | I have an n800, with os2008 (the diablo one) and I want to use maemo mapper with a gps device. Can anybody suggest a particular model or place to look for a bluetooth gps adapter for about 50 bucks? |
| 22:51.30 | GeneralAntilles | i-Blue 737 |
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| 22:52.52 | crashanddie | will even work in a boeing |
| 22:53.01 | dmsuperman | where's that sold at? |
| 22:53.38 | crashanddie | boeings ? Wow, you're asking in the wrong channel... Ask your local airport |
| 22:54.06 | crashanddie | dmsuperman, http://www.amazon.com/i-Blue-737-Bluetooth-GPS-Receiver/dp/B000KH7MZ4 |
| 22:54.48 | GeneralAntilles | Local airport? |
| 22:54.59 | GeneralAntilles | More like, contoct Boeing directly. |
| 22:55.19 | crashanddie | yeah, or concoct a hijacking |
| 22:55.21 | GeneralAntilles | s/contoct/contact/ |
| 22:55.25 | crashanddie | :P |
| 22:55.38 | GeneralAntilles | really hates this keyboard. |
| 22:55.44 | crashanddie | IS ON FIYA |
| 22:55.50 | GeneralAntilles | Mushy, hard to push Apple piece of crap. |
| 22:55.57 | crashanddie | oh, yeah, those are terrible |
| 22:56.04 | GeneralAntilles | I took my backup Unicomp board back up north for some reason. |
| 22:56.07 | crashanddie | I don't really like the space there's between each key |
| 22:56.10 | GeneralAntilles | I should order another one. . . . |
| 22:56.17 | GeneralAntilles | It's an old one. |
| 22:56.22 | GeneralAntilles | Plastic |
| 22:56.29 | crashanddie | hmm |
| 22:56.35 | GeneralAntilles | White |
| 22:56.41 | crashanddie | yeah, grey now |
| 22:57.02 | GeneralAntilles | http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/5936/directinapplexq7.jpg |
| 22:57.06 | dmsuperman | GeneralAntilles, how good is it? does it usually take ages to find itself? does it interact with maemo mapper well? |
| 22:57.21 | crashanddie | oh btw |
| 22:57.25 | GeneralAntilles | dmsuperman, about as good as they get for that price. |
| 22:57.31 | crashanddie | GA |
| 22:57.42 | GeneralAntilles | CAD |
| 22:57.52 | crashanddie | anyone blaming the keyboard, when they type "contoct" instead of "contact", really needs to open the excuse book again :D |
| 22:58.11 | GeneralAntilles | Meh, the whole keyboard throws off my fingers. |
| 22:58.11 | crashanddie | that's just finger fail |
| 22:58.15 | dmsuperman | GeneralAntilles, would you suggest it or don't bother at that price? |
| 22:58.22 | GeneralAntilles | dmsuperman, buybuybuy. |
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| 22:58.32 | dmsuperman | GeneralAntilles, awesome, thanks :D |
| 22:58.36 | crashanddie | dmsuperman, i-blue make incredible good hardware |
| 22:58.46 | GeneralAntilles | My point was more that, "Well, it's no 1000Hz $500 jet fighter GPS, but it'll do." ;) |
| 22:58.54 | GeneralAntilles | +0 |
| 22:59.03 | GeneralAntilles | Actually +2x0 |
| 22:59.21 | crashanddie | just use s/// |
| 22:59.32 | crashanddie | cuz +2x0 doesn't make a lot of sense |
| 22:59.42 | GeneralAntilles | Just go fall off a cliff. |
| 22:59.55 | crashanddie | GPS tells me closest is Dover |
| 22:59.56 | GeneralAntilles | and do as your name says. :P |
| 23:00.33 | GeneralAntilles | wants a 100Hz GPS |
| 23:00.53 | crashanddie | I am wondering tonight, in the sun, on a bus to Dover |
| 23:01.13 | crashanddie | Could you freeze me in, and defrost me when it's over... |
| 23:01.21 | GeneralAntilles | How's the internet in the UK? |
| 23:01.34 | crashanddie | well |
| 23:01.41 | crashanddie | quite comparable to the one I had in France |
| 23:01.46 | crashanddie | it even has the same websites and everything |
| 23:02.03 | GeneralAntilles | That's good. |
| 23:02.07 | crashanddie | yeah |
| 23:02.15 | crashanddie | I thought I'd be completely lost, but I got lucky I guess |
| 23:02.19 | amr | :( |
| 23:02.21 | crashanddie | finding a country which shares the same internet |
| 23:02.24 | m-vo | Dudes, there is a OS update for diablo. Did anyone notice? |
| 23:02.26 | GeneralAntilles | Too bad you didn't move to China, you get a whole new internet! |
| 23:02.42 | GeneralAntilles | m-vo, why did it disable maemo Extras for me. >:( |
| 23:02.45 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, I think I would've lost a fair bit of internet, not got a new one :P |
| 23:02.52 | m-vo | Did it? Damn. |
| 23:02.59 | GeneralAntilles | nokia-repositories package |
| 23:03.12 | crashanddie | lights a fag, I know, I shouldn't |
| 23:03.13 | Sargun | yaay |
| 23:03.18 | Sargun | maemo-sdk is installing |
| 23:03.47 | Sargun | m-vo, can't we just update from the application manager? |
| 23:03.50 | GeneralAntilles | Anyway, yeah, m-vo, people noticed. ;) |
| 23:04.14 | m-vo | Ahh, yes, last minute changes to nokia-repository... |
| 23:04.23 | crashanddie | OOOoooh, so that's what the big orange icon was... |
| 23:04.29 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 23:04.38 | m-vo | GeneralAntilles, cool, I'm on vacation right now, I nearly missed it. |
| 23:04.57 | crashanddie | doesn't see the point between vacation and noticing an update |
| 23:05.04 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 23:05.06 | Sargun | GeneralAntilles, can't we just update from the application manager? |
| 23:05.15 | crashanddie | Sargun, yes, we can |
| 23:05.26 | GeneralAntilles | Sargun, you should be updating from the application manager. |
| 23:05.27 | Sargun | checks for updates |
| 23:05.31 | *** join/#maemo matt_c (n=mcroydon@137.147.45.66.cm.sunflower.com) |
| 23:05.32 | m-vo | It's the first update via deb packages! It's a milestone! There should be more huzzah. :-) |
| 23:05.41 | Sargun | huzzah. |
| 23:05.52 | amr | Upgrading microb-browser 0.0.8-3 to 0.0.8-4: apt-worker: Not handling unrelated package libacl1. E: I wasn't able to locate file for the libgtk2.0-0 package |
| 23:05.55 | crashanddie | the whole point of app man updates is the click and forget it provides |
| 23:05.55 | Sargun | my package manager doesn't see anything |
| 23:06.01 | Sargun | application manager. |
| 23:06.07 | amr | i broke :( |
| 23:06.14 | GeneralAntilles | m-vo, I think most people are thinking more along the lines of "Well, we're finally about where my laptop has been for the last 8 years." ;) |
| 23:06.27 | m-vo | crashanddie, I work on that stuff and normally I know when things like this happen. |
| 23:06.40 | crashanddie | m-vo, who you work for ? |
| 23:06.48 | m-vo | Nokia. |
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| 23:07.13 | crashanddie | you couldn't get me a job at Farnborough could ya ? |
| 23:07.25 | Sargun | repository.maemo.org is messed up |
| 23:07.34 | GeneralAntilles | Sargun, quite probably. |
| 23:08.25 | Sargun | GeneralAntilles, Where are they moving to? (DC wise) |
| 23:08.41 | crashanddie | Somewhere near AC |
| 23:08.42 | GeneralAntilles | Sargun, dunno. |
| 23:08.45 | m-vo | crashanddie, nope, 'fraid not.. :) |
| 23:08.51 | GeneralAntilles | Somewhere with faster servers soon enough. |
| 23:08.54 | Guest25897 | I have been told that 2008HE was fairly stable on the n770, but I have just flashed it and I can't even open the web browser without it restarting. What did I do wrong? Can anyone help me debug this? |
| 23:08.56 | crashanddie | oh well, it was worth the try |
| 23:09.13 | crashanddie | 770, there's no n |
| 23:09.30 | GeneralAntilles | Guest25897, did you enable swap? |
| 23:09.52 | Guest25897 | virtual memory was already enabled and set for 64mbs |
| 23:10.21 | Guest25897 | crashanddie :) |
| 23:11.13 | Guest25897 | GeneralAntilles: was there something else I needed to do? |
| 23:11.21 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 23:11.33 | GeneralAntilles | Just weird otherwise. |
| 23:12.01 | crashanddie | Guest25897, could try to launch the browser from the command line, and redirect the output to a file, so you can see if there are any error messages ? |
| 23:12.03 | GeneralAntilles | Crap, I can't remember the update repo username now. <_< |
| 23:12.06 | GeneralAntilles | digs up the patch. |
| 23:12.13 | Guest25897 | could it have something to do with the card being too slow? I did not use the fanoush kernel |
| 23:12.34 | Guest25897 | crashanddie: sure |
| 23:13.03 | atka__ | goodnight all |
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| 23:14.49 | Guest25897 | Hmm this time it worked... maybe virtual mem was not enabled and going to memory it automatically enabled it? Doesn't make sense... |
| 23:16.11 | amr | well that's odd |
| 23:16.22 | amr | my menus on the left |
| 23:16.28 | amr | sometimes are big icons, some are small |
| 23:16.32 | amr | sometimes* |
| 23:17.49 | Guest25897 | it grows to big icons when it detects what it believes is a inger press rather than a stylus |
| 23:18.13 | Guest25897 | amr: It's actually a nice feature once you figure out what the heck it is doing |
| 23:18.24 | amr | oh, that's kinda awesome |
| 23:19.07 | Guest25897 | yea :) |
| 23:21.36 | Guest25897 | ok so I heard the sound out of the speaker was unhearable....it doesn't seem that bad to me |
| 23:22.03 | Guest25897 | as a matter of fact I just turned the volume up and it seems quite loud |
| 23:25.35 | crashanddie | earlier today, some guy in my street wanted to place a call to his gf in France |
| 23:25.45 | crashanddie | and considering I have free SIP to France, I handed over my NIT |
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| 23:25.58 | amr | Guest25897 yeah i had that problem, sound was really poor |
| 23:26.05 | crashanddie | he dialed the number, and put the NIT to his face |
| 23:26.07 | amr | 07 seems to be fine though |
| 23:26.10 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 23:26.12 | crashanddie | sound was maxed out |
| 23:26.23 | GeneralAntilles | Ouch |
| 23:26.28 | crashanddie | his ear started bleeding when his gf said "HELLO ???" |
| 23:26.31 | Guest25897 | I cant figure out why it is fine, I thought it was a universal problem with 2008he on 770 |
| 23:26.46 | m-vo | crashanddie, it's not a phone! :-) |
| 23:27.01 | crashanddie | yeah, *I* know :D |
| 23:27.36 | Guest25897 | I am really liking the feel of 2008 |
| 23:27.44 | amr | what program does everyone here use for their twitter updates? |
| 23:28.08 | Sargun | I wonder when the DC move will be complete. |
| 23:28.13 | crashanddie | we don't twitter |
| 23:28.22 | amr | :( |
| 23:28.26 | crashanddie | twitter is for people who are not cool enough to own an NIT |
| 23:28.28 | GeneralAntilles | amr, try Mauku? |
| 23:28.30 | Sargun | crashanddie, doesn't Nokia have a twitter clone? |
| 23:28.31 | amr | NIT? |
| 23:28.31 | Sargun | NIT? |
| 23:28.33 | amr | oh |
| 23:28.34 | Sargun | ahaha |
| 23:28.36 | kpel | twitter bad |
| 23:28.36 | amr | nokia internet tablet |
| 23:28.37 | amr | hah |
| 23:28.37 | GeneralAntilles | They just added twitter support. |
| 23:28.40 | Sargun | Nokia internet tablet |
| 23:28.42 | GeneralAntilles | ~NIT |
| 23:28.44 | amr | oh sweet, cheers GeneralAntilles |
| 23:28.47 | Sargun | Nokia should do their own server. |
| 23:28.51 | Sargun | err, service. |
| 23:28.54 | Sargun | they are better than that |
| 23:29.01 | GeneralAntilles | ~NIT is Nokia Internet Tablet |
| 23:29.02 | infobot | GeneralAntilles: okay |
| 23:30.56 | kpel | http://uk.weather.yahoo.com/UKXX/UKXX0085/index_c.html |
| 23:31.06 | kpel | the weather is unknown... nice prediction :P |
| 23:31.20 | Sargun | Urbanista diaries FTW |
| 23:31.52 | Guest25897 | so flipping the screen made everything unusable, is that usual? |
| 23:32.19 | amr | hm? |
| 23:32.40 | *** join/#maemo wom (n=wom@213.139.163.254) |
| 23:32.55 | Sargun | You guys, Urbanista diaries is down |
| 23:33.00 | Guest25897 | in 2008 there is an option to change screen orientation, doing so chops things up and leaves things unusable |
| 23:33.10 | amr | oh |
| 23:33.11 | amr | eep |
| 23:33.31 | GeneralAntilles | Guest25897, did you install Advanced Backlight? |
| 23:33.37 | Guest25897 | yea.. |
| 23:33.47 | GeneralAntilles | Rotation detection is broken on the 770 for some reason |
| 23:33.54 | GeneralAntilles | I still need to poke rm_you about that. . . |
| 23:33.58 | Guest25897 | ok I will be sure to uninstall it them |
| 23:34.09 | Guest25897 | *then |
| 23:34.09 | GeneralAntilles | You'd need a patched xserver and kernel to rotate |
| 23:34.11 | amr | as in a gyro GeneralAntilles? |
| 23:34.13 | GeneralAntilles | Nah, you can use it |
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| 23:34.20 | GeneralAntilles | Just don't touch the rotation controls. |
| 23:34.31 | GeneralAntilles | A reboot will fix it. |
| 23:34.35 | GeneralAntilles | Sorry for the mix up. :( |
| 23:34.49 | Guest25897 | well I don't want to be showing it off to someone and them do that to it... |
| 23:34.58 | GeneralAntilles | Fair enough |
| 23:35.05 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you is away for a little while |
| 23:35.06 | Guest25897 | but SOUND WORKS! |
| 23:35.11 | GeneralAntilles | I'm make him fix it when he gets back. |
| 23:35.41 | Guest25897 | whoever fixed that has made me quite happy |
| 23:36.57 | amr | hm |
| 23:37.03 | amr | looks like i need skype-installer for mauku |
| 23:37.24 | GeneralAntilles | Erm |
| 23:37.29 | GeneralAntilles | Did you remove it? |
| 23:37.33 | amr | i haven't touched it |
| 23:37.37 | GeneralAntilles | Huh |
| 23:37.39 | GeneralAntilles | Weird |
| 23:37.50 | GeneralAntilles | I actually don't know if they've compiled a version for OS2007. |
| 23:37.59 | amr | if i go into installed programs i don't see it though |
| 23:38.01 | amr | h |
| 23:38.04 | amr | ah* |
| 23:38.10 | amr | so mauku might not work? |
| 23:38.22 | amr | screw it, i'll use the twitter site |
| 23:38.45 | GeneralAntilles | Just order that N800. ;) |
| 23:38.56 | Guest25897 | the only thing with that is it takes a solid minute to fire up the borwser and load twitters site |
| 23:39.11 | Guest25897 | can't type today... |
| 23:39.52 | amr | heh, looks like i'll have to! |
| 23:40.11 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, advanced backlight enables support for rotation ? |
| 23:40.19 | Guest25897 | hmm, I wonder if tehre are any command-line twitter clients |
| 23:41.00 | iXce | Guest25897: there are |
| 23:41.05 | amr | mitter looks to be one |
| 23:41.06 | iXce | twyt is a good one |
| 23:41.39 | amr | mauku is indeed working now |
| 23:41.45 | Guest25897 | so one of those should be fairly easily ported if they haven't been already. I still don't have to rely on going to the site |
| 23:41.51 | amr | apparently the install error means nothing |
| 23:42.06 | Guest25897 | heh, well forget command line then |
| 23:45.04 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, no. |
| 23:45.19 | GeneralAntilles | It just provides controls for it if you have rotation support installed. |
| 23:45.19 | Guest25897 | has maemo-mapper been moved to a main repo? |
| 23:46.03 | GeneralAntilles | Guest25897, it's in most of the Extras repos. |
| 23:46.05 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, rotation should really be made easy |
| 23:46.13 | GeneralAntilles | Not Diablo Extras, yet, unfortunately. |
| 23:46.21 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, qwerty12 and jott are working on it. |
| 23:46.30 | Guest25897 | crashanddie: rotation is not overly simple |
| 23:46.46 | GeneralAntilles | It's actually pretty easy to do as a deb install with Diablo. |
| 23:46.46 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, like for instance, now that there's this update to Diablo, I don't know if I should use the files provided in the ITT wiki |
| 23:47.04 | GeneralAntilles | Just need a way to get the correct osso-software-version-rx*3-unlocked on the device. |
| 23:49.03 | crashanddie | yeah, I'm going to wait for qwertypants to show up and tell me what to do |
| 23:49.16 | crashanddie | cuz I've reflashed way too often these days :P |
| 23:50.31 | GeneralAntilles | Eh, install his Diablo packages. |
| 23:51.16 | GeneralAntilles | A rotation support metapackage with the kernel in Extras-devel would be both cool and fairly straightforward. |
| 23:53.57 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, you telling me if I install the diablo flasher, libxrandr, and xomap, I'll be fine? |
| 23:54.25 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=196034&postcount=194 |
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| 23:54.35 | GeneralAntilles | Just install those 4 packages in that order. |
| 23:54.49 | GeneralAntilles | Then flash-and-reboot to flash the kernel |
| 23:54.52 | GeneralAntilles | You'll be good as gold |
| 23:55.14 | Sargun | Alright, I've gotten Maemo. |
| 23:55.19 | Sargun | Now to get Moko. |
| 23:58.29 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody with an active Facebook account want to try to reproduce this? |
