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| 00:28.45 | pupnik | i want a music/ media player client that can respond to verbal requests |
| 00:30.11 | smackpotato | any dj can do that |
| 00:30.41 | smackpotato | should make it a web service |
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| 00:39.48 | jott | imagines the infinite loops by samples like "rewind selector" in songs. |
| 00:41.45 | Proteous | SUDO CHANGE TRACK |
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| 00:42.37 | Proteous | saying that maked me hungry for a sandwich |
| 00:42.46 | Proteous | goes to the kitchen |
| 00:43.58 | pupnik | hahaha jott |
| 00:44.09 | smackpotato | what i miss is the am radio blurb, i thought someone should do an rss fead that playes a blurb every so often as you listen to your own music |
| 00:44.27 | pupnik | i want to make things that old people might enjoy |
| 00:44.56 | smackpotato | like soup |
| 00:45.18 | smackpotato | ? |
| 00:46.04 | jott | bingo? |
| 00:46.35 | jott | hmm is there a bingo for maemo? :) |
| 00:48.29 | jott | could make a nice zen game, just show a random number matrix and then show random numbers :) |
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| 00:50.02 | egypt | anyone know where to find a ruby readline package, if it exists? |
| 00:51.21 | clijunkie | Hello all. If I'm asking in the wrong place, please let me know. I have a n810, and on some site I saw reference to a sd to minisd adapter that someone had gotten to work. |
| 00:51.29 | jott | egypt: the ruby project is abandoned..... |
| 00:51.42 | jott | (for maemo/itos that is) |
| 00:51.58 | clijunkie | I don't have the url to the thread, but I have purchased the adapter. Doesn't work for me. Was wondering if there is a syslog in maemo? |
| 00:52.06 | egypt | weak. |
| 00:52.32 | egypt | clijunkie: dmesg works |
| 00:53.12 | clijunkie | egypt: thank you |
| 00:59.25 | egypt | jott: was there a particular reason it was abaondoned? |
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| 01:06.50 | jott | egypt: i think the maintainer disappeared / had no time anymore. |
| 01:07.03 | jott | feel free to revive it :) |
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| 01:20.18 | robink | Someone needs to port Git and Boost, too. |
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| 01:28.34 | lcuk | robink, i believe git works if compiled from the sdk |
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| 01:29.22 | lcuk | i have a binary over here which works, someone who knows more than me (lbt) compiled it for me. :) |
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| 02:45.18 | spcui | how to upgrade busybox from 1.6.1 to 1.11.1 on N810? |
| 02:45.35 | GeneralAntilles | goodluckwiththat |
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| 02:59.41 | Proteous | so mean |
| 03:05.19 | spcui | how to upgrade busybox from 1.6.1 to 1.11.1 on N810? |
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| 03:05.47 | GeneralAntilles | goodluckwiththat |
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| 03:10.26 | egypt | alright, howabout subversion? |
| 03:11.29 | egypt | searching for "maemo subversion" just gets a lot of repositories that use subversion rather than a package for subversion itself |
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| 03:21.04 | GeneralAntilles | egypt, it should be in Extras. . . . |
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| 03:21.43 | egypt | hm. i'll look again |
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| 03:32.06 | egypt | nope, don't have it. oddly, the regular maemo repository "failed to refresh" with a 404 on /dists/diablo/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz |
| 03:32.11 | egypt | maybe that's related |
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| 03:47.33 | Capn_Fish | Does anybody know where to get the source for the Xomap X server? |
| 03:52.44 | spcui | http://repository.maemo.org maybe there are the sources that you want |
| 03:53.09 | Capn_Fish | There are only old sources there |
| 03:53.20 | Capn_Fish | gits from 2007 |
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| 03:58.45 | spcui | >http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo |
| 03:59.08 | spcui | OS2008 diablo |
| 03:59.37 | Capn_Fish | Still only old gits from 2007. I'm thinking it may be in the main Xorg source now... |
| 04:00.00 | spcui | oh |
| 04:02.03 | Capn_Fish | Although it appears that's when Xorg 7.3 was released (about) |
| 04:02.29 | Capn_Fish | Running a stable release would be nice... I'll play around with the Xorg sources. Thanks |
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| 04:04.51 | pupnik | what is an opengl-aware widget / ui / wm that runs on top of X |
| 04:04.59 | pupnik | +set |
| 04:05.23 | pupnik | i guess we need all the indirect rendering related kinks worked out |
| 04:06.16 | pupnik | but for example |
| 04:06.48 | pupnik | nah dumb example |
| 04:11.43 | RST38h | moo all |
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| 04:24.47 | pupnik | moo RST38h |
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| 04:30.06 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik, Clutter |
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| 04:34.47 | pupnik | any other keywords GeneralAntilles ? |
| 04:35.19 | GeneralAntilles | http://clutter-project.org/ |
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| 05:30.56 | GeneralAntilles | To find the maemo.org bugmasters, just look for the people with too many underscores. :P |
| 05:31.09 | GeneralAntilles | guenther_, any progress on the templates for the Garage migration? |
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| 05:46.19 | pupnik | thanks GeneralAntilles |
| 05:48.22 | RST38h | JetBlue spokesman explains why they are charging passengers for pillows =) |
| 05:49.38 | RST38h | To believe him, it is a win win situation both for the airline and for passengers who buy pillows at a huge discount |
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| 06:13.47 | jahor | hello, my n810 suffer from random reboots. i was directed to the common problem with reformat sollution. but it does not help. yesterday i tried to use dualboot from sd card and after a while it reebooted again. i had suspect it is the abnormaly defective internal flash, but now when it reboots with removable sd card .... could it be something well known or is it the reason for warranty claim ? anybody any hint please ? |
| 06:14.28 | GeneralAntilles | Sounds like a hardware problem |
| 06:14.29 | GeneralAntilles | Just RMA it. |
| 06:21.05 | jahor | GeneralAntilles: that could be the biggest problem... nokia does not sell n810 here in czech rep. so i have it imported by some friend of my friend from us ;( |
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| 06:22.21 | jahor | what i thing about.. to be sure what's the probelm... installing some sort of sylog and logging to the external card or over network |
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| 06:36.41 | Khertan_n810 | Hi ! |
| 06:37.11 | Khertan_n810 | somehave already play with alarmd in python ? |
| 06:38.33 | Khertan_n810 | it seems that add_alarm does nt support utf text : UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xe9' in position 19: ordinal not in range(128) |
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| 07:01.19 | Khertan_n810 | somehave already play with alarmd in python ? |
| 07:01.20 | Khertan_n810 | it seems that add_alarm does nt support utf text : UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xe9' in position 19: ordinal not in range(128) |
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| 07:37.49 | aquatix | morning |
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| 07:52.48 | liri | morning aquatix |
| 07:53.12 | liri | I'm browsing through maemo's garage to find a decent rss reader which can parse the websites I give it |
| 07:53.36 | aquatix | you don't like the default one? |
| 07:53.51 | liri | aquatix: I like it |
| 07:55.17 | liri | aquatix: for some reason it refuses to add the rss feeds I give it |
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| 07:55.33 | qwerty12 | Off the top of my head, there's liferea available and another one called Nibbles |
| 07:55.33 | Blastur | anyone know if Huawei E220 3G modem will work for a N810? |
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| 07:56.17 | aquatix | liri: can you give an example? |
| 07:57.10 | liri | aquatix: yep |
| 07:57.38 | aquatix | is happy; wifi access at work on his tablet o/ |
| 07:57.57 | liri | aquatix: leet :) |
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| 07:58.12 | liri | aquatix: I was even happier when I found out the tablet supported WPA :) |
| 07:58.17 | aquatix | heheh |
| 07:58.19 | qwerty12 | Anyone know where dannym's 3g modem garage project can be found? |
| 07:58.25 | XTLi | :) |
| 07:58.27 | aquatix | thankfully, yes, otherwise i wouldn't be able to do wifi here |
| 07:58.30 | liri | aquatix: anyway, here are 2 examples I tried: http://www.ynet.co.il/Integration/StoryRss2.xml and http://www.haaretz.com/feed/enewsRss.xml |
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| 08:06.22 | fluentis | moin@all... can somebody tell me more about the gps system of the n810... i'm talking about the beta of a-gps support utility... how does it work? |
| 08:08.38 | GAN800 | fluentis, Nokia's beta labs site explains. . . . |
| 08:09.18 | harriv | fluentis: This is not first hand knowledge, but I understood that you tell your rough place to it, and then it goes to net and get's all the expected positions of satellites |
| 08:09.32 | harriv | GAN800: url? |
| 08:09.38 | GAN800 | Google |
| 08:09.42 | harriv | :) |
| 08:09.46 | fluentis | GAN800, i've read it already, but the problem i have isn't explaine there - sowetimes it's workin, sometimes not |
| 08:10.15 | GAN800 | fluentis, hit the bugzilla bug |
| 08:10.16 | fluentis | harriv, http://betalabs.nokia.com/blog/2008/06/30/a-gps-beta-for-n810/ |
| 08:10.29 | liri | aquatix: any news on those rss resources? |
| 08:10.38 | harriv | yeah, that doens't really tell _how_ it works |
| 08:11.02 | fluentis | GAN800, doesn't mean it's a bug, could be a feature |
| 08:11.35 | GAN800 | fluentis, there's a bugzilla bug that talks about a lot of this stuff. . . . |
| 08:11.53 | fluentis | GAN800, about the daemon? |
| 08:11.58 | fluentis | GAN800, already read |
| 08:12.10 | fluentis | GAN800, not talkin about it |
| 08:12.49 | GAN800 | There are other location framework bugs to look at, too. |
| 08:13.15 | GAN800 | Eric Warnke's bugs are a good start |
| 08:13.22 | fluentis | harriv, GAN800, it's a bit strange: you have the possibility to let a-gps connect to network via gprs/umts (packet) so the question i have is, how nessesary it is. |
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| 08:15.04 | fluentis | harriv, GAN800, because it's workin without a network connection too - just not every time... to explayn: i've updated the base of sattelites via gprs, than turned off the packet loading possibility... still works... resetet the device - still no problem, about 20-30 sec. to get a lock. but than, during the day, again "searching"... |
| 08:15.29 | Blastur | i have never ever been able to get a fix with the N810 gps |
| 08:15.40 | fluentis | harriv, GAN800, so wanted to ask, where in the hell it's storing the informations maybe... to watch for them... |
| 08:15.56 | Blastur | at one time, i was close .. like 70% fix |
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| 08:16.06 | Blastur | when i bought a bluetooth gps, i got fix in about 30 seconds |
| 08:16.09 | harriv | fluentis: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2878#c3 |
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| 08:17.44 | fluentis | harriv, gps_last_saved_report should it be... thx |
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| 08:24.37 | GAN800 | ohgod, the server move on the 13th wouldn't happen to be the upgrade, would it? :D |
| 08:26.30 | guenther_ | GAN800: Sorry, not much progress yet. I plan to tend to that code soon-ish. |
| 08:26.33 | rm_you | :P server upgrade?! :P |
| 08:26.44 | rm_you | can't wait to be done with moving |
| 08:26.46 | guenther_ | seriously needs a coffee |
| 08:27.04 | GAN800 | X-Fade, I know you're there somewhere. No more hiding. :P |
| 08:27.11 | guenther_ | Wasn't that announced to be physical location change only? |
| 08:27.14 | GAN800 | guenther_, ok |
| 08:27.19 | rm_you | X-Fade is really good at disappearing when we need him :P |
| 08:27.20 | X-Fade | GAN800: ssssssssshh.. |
| 08:28.02 | X-Fade | GAN800: I just can get more things done when ignoring IRC for a while ;) |
| 08:28.04 | GAN800 | Time to work on a branding unification and changeover for the site with the new logo, no? |
| 08:28.57 | rm_you | yeah |
| 08:29.03 | rm_you | I used to get a lot of work done |
| 08:29.07 | rm_you | then i started talking on here |
| 08:29.11 | rm_you | I havent coded in a week <_< |
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| 08:29.20 | GAN800 | You want me to run through and give you a url + changes list? |
| 08:29.21 | rm_you | rather, that would have been... a week ago |
| 08:29.37 | rm_you | NOW it's more like, i keep packing/moving so much that i cant sit and even get on irc reliably >_< |
| 08:29.57 | X-Fade | GAN800: Was that for me? Sure. |
| 08:30.24 | aquatix | liri: sorry, was away for a moment |
| 08:30.26 | aquatix | trying now |
| 08:31.18 | GAN800 | X-Fade, I've also got to put together a list of minor typo changes. |
| 08:31.47 | X-Fade | GAN800: I hope I can work on it before my holiday internet blackout ;) |
| 08:32.01 | GAN800 | I was thinking I might run through them with you live, but I'm about to sleep. :P |
| 08:32.16 | GAN800 | You and Quim . . . not gonna be a fun month. |
| 08:32.41 | aquatix | liri: i get a parse error on the first one too; maybe it stumbles on the hebrew characters in it? |
| 08:32.44 | aquatix | not sure |
| 08:32.51 | aquatix | liri: tried liferea yet? |
| 08:32.57 | X-Fade | GAN800: Well, at least we can start fresh before the summit ;) |
| 08:33.05 | GAN800 | Hehe |
| 08:33.52 | GAN800 | I was pondering over an optimized site organization the other day. You wouldn't happen to have some sort of site map handy? |
| 08:33.57 | X-Fade | About the server situation. The ISP will move all existing servers on the 13th, this has nothing to do with the new servers/upgrades. |
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| 08:34.19 | GAN800 | Damn! |
| 08:34.32 | X-Fade | GAN800: Oh, but the new servers are there ;) |
| 08:35.05 | X-Fade | GAN800: They will be setup starting next Monday. |
| 08:35.11 | GAN800 | plug them in, turn them on! :P |
| 08:35.30 | X-Fade | GAN800: I'm not sure how long it will take. And I will not be there to see it in action :( |
| 08:36.16 | GAN800 | couldn't manage an internet black-out. |
| 08:36.19 | X-Fade | No sitemap available, I think. Let me check. |
| 08:36.46 | X-Fade | GAN800: Well that is worst case. I probably have some. |
| 08:37.11 | GAN800 | I need to figure out OmniGraffle anyway, and making a map of the current setup will be good for that. |
| 08:37.57 | X-Fade | GAN800: It all depends on how deep into the tree you want to go.. |
| 08:38.00 | guenther_ | GAN800: You're abusing unrelated bugs, dude. ;) |
| 08:38.36 | GAN800 | X-Fade, not too deep |
| 08:38.44 | GAN800 | guenther_, hrm? |
| 08:38.49 | guenther_ | Poking about garage in a bug clearly labeled Component Bugzilla, just to get the new logo on garage... tststs. ;) |
| 08:39.04 | GAN800 | Oh? |
| 08:39.20 | guenther_ | bug 3531 |
| 08:39.29 | GAN800 | meh, the summary didn't specify bugzilla and the wiki was mentioned there. . . |
| 08:39.30 | guenther_ | It worked though, apparently. :) |
| 08:39.39 | guenther_ | nods |
| 08:39.49 | guenther_ | The summary is kind of... sparse. |
| 08:40.10 | GAN800 | tends not to pay overly much attention to component/product |
| 08:40.49 | aquatix | liri: btw, it might be the feed's fault: http://feedvalidator.org/check.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ynet.co.il%2FIntegration%2FStoryRss2.xml |
| 08:40.56 | aquatix | ``This feed is valid, but interoperability with the widest range of feed readers could be improved by implementing the following recommendations.'' |
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| 08:41.06 | GAN800 | X-Fade, I mostly want to figure out the mess that is devlopment and community |
| 08:41.07 | aquatix | it reports the wrong encoding etc |
| 08:41.11 | guenther_ | GAN800: Anyway, it did do the job. :) |
| 08:41.18 | liri | aquatix: yeah I figured it's probably having a hard time to parse it or the language encoding format is doing the problems |
| 08:41.26 | liri | aquatix: I'll try it tonight :) |
| 08:41.44 | aquatix | kk :) |
| 08:41.52 | guenther_ | creeps off to put on a put of coffee |
| 08:42.13 | GAN800 | I'm also inclined to think that bugzilla, wiki, and garage links belong in the main navbar |
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| 08:45.42 | liri | aquatix: I just installed liferea on my ubuntu 8.04 desktop and the first ynet.co.il rss feed works ok |
| 08:45.56 | liri | aquatix: I'm hoping the n810 version is pretty much the same and hoping it would work on it too |
| 08:46.11 | aquatix | i think that's likely indeed |
| 08:46.13 | aquatix | would be nice |
| 08:46.22 | aquatix | does your n810 have support for those chars? |
| 08:46.57 | liri | yep I installed Hebrew fonts and I'm able to read websites with the browser just fine |
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| 08:47.54 | aquatix | kk |
| 08:56.59 | RST38h | GAN: While you are at it, notice that there is currently no direct way to view user profile form maemo.org main page |
| 08:57.17 | RST38h | GAN: Clicking on one's own user name goes directly into editing profile |
| 08:57.44 | RST38h | Also, there is no clear way to look at other people's profiles |
| 08:58.36 | GAN800 | bergie's been working on the profile stuff |
| 08:58.43 | GAN800 | More is on the way. |
| 08:59.47 | X-Fade | Yes, I have talked to him about that. (While having some beers ;) |
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| 09:01.43 | X-Fade | Ugh.. Somehow this doesn't look right: http://starkravingfinkle.org/blog/2008/08/fennec-m6/ |
| 09:01.47 | qwerty12 | lardman|gone: you'll like this one ( I think :P), bluez (4.1-0maemo1) unstable; urgency=low - Avoid memory copies in A2DP write routine for ALSA. |
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| 09:02.51 | GAN800 | Still unstable as hell |
| 09:02.58 | GAN800 | and slow as all get out |
| 09:03.29 | GAN800 | wants Fremantle MicroB. |
| 09:03.43 | X-Fade | And only 50% of the screen available for the actual website ;) |
| 09:04.02 | GAN800 | Fullscreen works |
| 09:04.22 | GAN800 | Tab bar show/hides |
| 09:04.22 | X-Fade | I know, but that screenshot just looks....cluttered. |
| 09:05.12 | GAN800 | I just wish MicroB had tabs. :( |
| 09:05.21 | qwerty12 | will be happy to use it when they fix the speed on it. At least I will have a reason for disabling browserd then. |
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| 09:07.55 | Kegetys | that ui looks pretty bad, too much space wasted for "pretty" icons etc. |
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| 09:08.31 | XTLi | Ewww |
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| 09:13.57 | GAN800 | Eero isn't being very useful in that browser focus bug. :/ |
| 09:14.27 | GAN800 | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2430 |
| 09:16.28 | florian_ | good morning |
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| 09:17.58 | Binky | Good Morning, florian...! |
| 09:19.27 | Binky | Anyone tried the new Pyano? |
| 09:20.20 | qwerty12 | Yes! My router isn't shit at all it seems, I've patched openssh for maemo and now ssh connections to my N800 work :) |
| 09:21.24 | GAN800 | Mine works fine without patching. :P |
| 09:21.40 | macoute | mine too |
| 09:21.46 | macoute | Binky: i was supposed to today |
| 09:22.13 | qwerty12 | Correction. My router is shit :D |
| 09:22.14 | qwerty12 | "OpenSSH sets the IP TOS (to either "lowdelay" or "throughput") and some some routers have been known to choke on such packets." |
| 09:23.06 | Binky | macoute, I broke again my tablet installing it... |
| 09:23.30 | Binky | All the ways to install apps fail |
| 09:23.32 | aspect | Binky: I hadn't heard of that before, but keen to try it |
| 09:23.50 | aspect | .... broke on install? eep! how? |
| 09:24.00 | Binky | And all the ways to solve them, of couse U-_- |
| 09:24.17 | Binky | Well, it installed only half of it |
| 09:24.33 | aquatix | GAN800: why do you need tabs in microb? i'm fine with it having windows |
| 09:24.52 | aquatix | Fennec looks unusable :/ |
| 09:25.11 | Binky | It stopped and now app manager says my only installed app is a broken install of pyano |
| 09:25.41 | XTLi | Binky: have you tried apt from shell? |
| 09:25.49 | qwerty12 | You are using Os2006. I'd be more inclined to blame it on that. |
| 09:26.01 | Binky | dpkg --configure -a and apt-get -f install fail |
| 09:26.26 | Binky | qwerty12, is that to me? Lol |
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| 09:27.00 | GAN800 | aquatix, windows are too many damn clicks. |
| 09:27.09 | Binky | Sometimes it says i dot have enough free space on /var/lib/dpkg/archives... |
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| 09:27.26 | Binky | XTLi, i did |
| 09:27.54 | aquatix | GAN800: only two; or a button click and tap |
| 09:28.02 | Binky | aquatix, is fennec already ported to maemo? Where can i download it? |
| 09:28.11 | aquatix | http://starkravingfinkle.org/blog/2008/08/fennec-m6/ |
| 09:28.37 | aquatix | Binky: not sure whether you want it, seeing that screenshot :) |
| 09:28.38 | GAN800 | aquatix, two is too many |
| 09:28.47 | GAN800 | and it's damn cumbersome |
| 09:29.04 | aquatix | GAN800: use a keyboard ;) |
| 09:29.09 | XTLi | Out of disk space can be pretty lethal to package db's |
| 09:29.12 | GAN800 | and MicroB's million and one focus bugs make it damn near impossible. |
| 09:29.16 | aquatix | tabs only take screen space |
| 09:29.26 | XTLi | I don't remember how well deb copes |
| 09:29.27 | GAN800 | I'm willing to scarifice some |
| 09:29.49 | aquatix | generally even browses fullscreen |
| 09:29.56 | GAN800 | You don't need to use tabs if you don't want to, but I do. |
| 09:30.55 | Kegetys | I would like some quick pop-up bar that would contain tabs and common browse operations that would appear when you click, for example, a small icon at the corner of the screen |
| 09:31.36 | Kegetys | or tap :) |
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| 09:32.52 | X-Fade | GNUton: Hi. How's aKademy for you ;) |
| 09:33.05 | GAN800 | Anyway, night all. |
| 09:33.13 | guenther | night General |
| 09:33.15 | X-Fade | Night, GAN800 |
| 09:33.51 | GAN800 | X-Fade, I'll send a list your way via email as soon as I put it together. |
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| 09:34.00 | X-Fade | GAN800: Sure, no problem. |
| 09:34.37 | GNUton | Hi |
| 09:34.44 | GNUton | X-Fade: Hey mate! |
| 09:35.23 | X-Fade | GNUton: I was just answering your mail ;) |
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| 09:35.54 | aquatix | Kegetys: well, a pop-up menu with `tabs' can be summoned with the window hardware button :) |
| 09:36.34 | Kegetys | aquatix: but there's no browser controls there |
| 09:36.54 | aquatix | true |
| 09:37.21 | aquatix | maybe a show/hide button for the navbar with a tab overview? |
| 09:37.31 | aquatix | is thinking about good UI |
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| 09:37.58 | XTLi | It's a browser. There's no good ui in a browser |
| 09:38.01 | Kegetys | something like that, it could automatically go away after you click something though |
| 09:39.15 | aquatix | yeah |
| 09:39.18 | aquatix | time for lunch |
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| 09:43.50 | GNUton | X-Fade: I read your email... Excellent! :) |
| 09:44.17 | GNUton | X-Fade: the Php script is okay! |
| 09:44.42 | GNUton | X-Fade: Thank you a lot! |
| 09:44.49 | X-Fade | GNUton: Do you expect to upload another orig file? |
| 09:44.56 | X-Fade | GNUton: Or will that one stay the same. |
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| 09:47.15 | konttori | Morning! |
| 09:47.42 | GNUton | X-Fade: I'm going to use the new 4.4.1 orig file.. but not now. I'm going to wait that you come back from your holidays |
| 09:48.04 | X-Fade | GNUton: Ok, I will send you the url by mail. |
| 09:48.24 | GNUton | X-Fade: Ok :) |
| 09:49.09 | konttori | Has everyone already updated? |
| 09:49.13 | konttori | :) |
| 09:49.27 | X-Fade | konttori: Heh, you have inside knowledge ;) |
| 09:49.38 | konttori | (open appman, updater, refresh) |
| 09:49.52 | konttori | Or wait ~ 12h |
| 09:49.57 | konttori | your choice |
| 09:49.59 | _marcell_ | and let's see how the caching nw handles the load... :) |
| 09:50.16 | konttori | Yeah. I'm particulary interested in seeing that |
| 09:50.34 | XTLi | :) |
| 09:50.36 | konttori | I hope we get the statistics on how the servers handle the load. |
| 09:50.52 | X-Fade | *installing* |
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| 09:51.09 | X-Fade | Lol, out of disk space ;) |
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| 09:51.13 | konttori | LOL! |
| 09:51.27 | konttori | Well, you should be able to free some and continue |
| 09:51.44 | X-Fade | uninstalling Fennec ;) |
| 09:52.17 | konttori | Maybe removing any images from the mydocs/images and videos from mydocs/videos will be enough |
| 09:52.44 | X-Fade | konttori: Those are long gone... |
| 09:53.05 | konttori | My default action as well :) |
| 09:54.58 | X-Fade | Download was speed was acceptable. |
| 09:55.04 | X-Fade | -was |
| 09:55.27 | zap | new diablo upgrade? |
| 09:55.39 | X-Fade | yep. SSU. |
| 09:55.41 | lardman | hopefully to the browser ;) |
| 09:55.47 | qwerty12 | ^ |
| 09:55.50 | nomis | "SSU"? |
| 09:56.02 | nomis | "serious software update"? |
| 09:56.14 | macoute | Seamless |
| 09:56.19 | nomis | ah. |
| 09:56.50 | X-Fade | konttori: Changelog available? :) |
| 09:56.52 | nomis | argh, forgot my 810 at home. |
| 09:57.46 | qwerty12 | nomis: you should keep x11vnc running on it :P |
| 09:58.12 | nomis | heh |
| 09:58.25 | X-Fade | Version: 4.2008.30-2 |
| 09:59.02 | X-Fade | GNUton: You have mail. |
| 10:00.43 | konttori | Did you guys notice that it did contain the update description. |
| 10:00.57 | konttori | Basically it said that it has browser and email fixes |
| 10:01.08 | macoute | in which file? im updating right now |
| 10:01.09 | konttori | there are others, but the main fixes are to the browser and emai. |
| 10:01.09 | GAN800 | Not for -unlocked |
| 10:01.20 | konttori | Yeah. Unlocked doesn't have the description |
| 10:01.29 | X-Fade | GAN800: You were sleeping ;) |
| 10:01.29 | GAN800 | It should. :P |
| 10:01.34 | GAN800 | Was |
| 10:01.36 | GAN800 | failed |
| 10:01.42 | qwerty12 | Here, I'll go into catalogue and read the Packages file ;) |
| 10:01.44 | qwerty12 | Maemo-Upgrade-Description: Updates to Email and Browser stability |
| 10:01.45 | GNUton | X-Fade: ok |
| 10:01.51 | lardman | I don't seem to have any updates at all, it's still sitting there saying "Updating" |
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| 10:02.43 | konttori | you need to click on the refresh button to see the updates (or if you have removed the osso-software-version package, then you are out of luck - and you need to install it with apt-get) |
| 10:02.57 | konttori | (or you can do apt-get upgrade) |
| 10:03.20 | lardman | weird, Internal error. Application 'E-mail' closed. I've never run it |
| 10:03.33 | qwerty12 | lardman: modest likes to run in the background :/ |
| 10:03.42 | lardman | qwerty12: oh |
| 10:03.49 | lardman | qwerty12: reboot time I think |
| 10:04.02 | konttori | modest is actually pretty nice to use with the email alerting. |
| 10:04.13 | qwerty12 | heh. I pressed the big update button and my tablet is updating now :/ |
| 10:04.18 | lardman | I couldn't get it to work with my Uni email |
| 10:04.20 | konttori | I've started reading most of my gmail emails from it these days |
| 10:04.30 | GAN800 | Seems like bootmenu might be getting wiped. |
| 10:04.38 | rm_you | lardman: yeah i just got it working with my uni's email about a week ago |
| 10:04.49 | rm_you | GAN800: ick, that would be annoying :/ |
| 10:04.49 | qwerty12 | keeps a backup of the initfs jffs2 image on my computer |
| 10:04.55 | rm_you | remind me not to update tomorrow |
| 10:05.04 | qwerty12 | I aint gonna lose my initfs mods ;) |
| 10:05.05 | rm_you | i'll wait till after i am done moving |
| 10:05.15 | lardman | rm_you: I think mine has some weird root path it uses, and iirc there's no way to set that; at least I assume that's the problem |
| 10:05.37 | rm_you | <_< |
| 10:05.37 | konttori | Well, you can probably update everything on the cli and not do the initfs update |
| 10:05.43 | qwerty12 | lardman: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/m/modest/ - get to it :P |
| 10:06.06 | lardman | qwerty12: Isn't that the default client? |
| 10:06.18 | qwerty12 | lardman: source packages :) |
| 10:06.24 | lardman | qwerty12: ah yes |
| 10:06.39 | XTLi | I just wish there were changelogs |
| 10:06.42 | lardman | qwerty12: not that bothered atm, other things to do, like debugging East London Drum & Bass ;) |
| 10:06.48 | Kegetys | crap, out of free space... anyone tried if it is safe to remove all unused locales from /usr/share/locale? |
| 10:07.04 | rm_you | lardman: and getting datamatrix support working :P |
| 10:07.09 | rm_you | or did I miss that? :P |
| 10:07.10 | qwerty12 | lardman: drum and bass? bruv, u mad? it's all about grime :P |
| 10:07.13 | lardman | rm_you: that is soooo slow |
| 10:07.16 | rm_you | lol |
| 10:07.21 | rm_you | did you get it reading tho? |
| 10:07.25 | lardman | rm_you: we'll have to do something to make it faster |
| 10:07.31 | rm_you | i realize it is kinda... suxxor slow |
| 10:07.34 | rm_you | but does it WORK |
| 10:07.43 | lardman | rm_you: no, the lag was so great I could never get it lined up properly; only had a quick go though |
| 10:07.50 | rm_you | when i left it, it was segfaulting |
| 10:07.55 | XTLi | localepurge <3 |
| 10:07.59 | rm_you | so if it isn't segfaulting anymore, it works :P |
| 10:08.12 | lardman | rm_you: it worked last week anyway iirc |
| 10:08.21 | rm_you | need to only attempt a parse every certain number of frames |
| 10:08.35 | rm_you | or else, require a button press |
| 10:08.40 | rm_you | like a real camera |
| 10:08.47 | rm_you | aim, shoot |
| 10:08.49 | lardman | rm_you: perhaps run it in a thread too, so it doesn't kill the rest of the app |
| 10:08.53 | rm_you | lol yeah |
| 10:09.11 | rm_you | when i get my stuff all set up next week i will try |
| 10:09.18 | rm_you | i srsly want datamatrix to work |
| 10:09.50 | lardman | yeah me too |
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| 10:10.30 | rm_you | we had BETTER be exchanging secret messages with dtmx stickers by the time we go to the summit :P |
| 10:11.05 | lardman | lol yeah, I thought of getting a T-shirt printed with one |
| 10:11.09 | lardman | as well as a Maemo logo |
| 10:11.11 | rm_you | hehe |
| 10:11.15 | rm_you | yeah... |
| 10:11.23 | rm_you | so are we supposed to obtain our own Maemo tshirts? |
| 10:11.33 | rm_you | like, the ones quim mentioned with the non-winning logos |
| 10:11.43 | rm_you | I can do it, just need to know :P |
| 10:11.48 | rm_you | will prolly be crappy iron-on, but meh |
| 10:11.49 | lardman | I believe so |
| 10:11.59 | rm_you | I'll make like 6 |
| 10:12.02 | rm_you | enough for the whole week |
| 10:12.10 | rm_you | different logo every day |
| 10:12.34 | lardman | Looks like a T-shirt with print will cost ~18 GBP or a Polo for ~20 GBP at the places I've looked |
| 10:12.40 | rm_you | hrm |
| 10:12.44 | rm_you | thats ridiculous |
| 10:12.46 | lardman | discount for more |
| 10:12.54 | rm_you | i can go to the mall and get them to print me some for cheap i think |
| 10:12.56 | lardman | well it's not so far off the cost of a T-shirt really |
| 10:12.58 | rm_you | or... better idea |
| 10:13.00 | kulve | cat /etc/osso_software_version |
| 10:13.00 | kulve | RX-34+RX-44+RX-48_DIABLO_4.2008.30-2_PR_MR0 |
| 10:13.06 | rm_you | roommate's dad runs a screenprinting shop :P |
| 10:13.19 | rm_you | yeah. that's win. |
| 10:13.22 | lardman | ah, all good :) |
| 10:13.32 | rm_you | will poke at him like, tomorrow |
| 10:13.33 | qwerty12 | yep, initfs got wiped. I'll start updating fanoush's initfs to version 2008-29 ;) |
| 10:13.47 | rm_you | may come with like, an entire bag of alternate maemo shirts |
| 10:14.03 | rm_you | maybe sell a few to pay for my meals :P |
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| 10:14.10 | lardman | :D |
| 10:14.11 | rm_you | to people who forgot to do it |
| 10:14.21 | rm_you | so quim doesnt yell at them :P win-win |
| 10:14.41 | qwerty12 | Microb is for sure much faster |
| 10:14.46 | rm_you | ooo |
| 10:15.21 | lardman | qwerty12: nice to hear, I was cursing it last night, especially for locking up all the time |
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| 10:16.30 | rm_you | i need maemo shirts anyway.... |
| 10:16.50 | rm_you | if i wore maemo shirts around all the time, maybe i would be able to locate some Nx00 users :P |
| 10:16.53 | rm_you | err |
| 10:16.59 | rm_you | N8x0 users :P |
| 10:17.23 | macoute | no 710 users? ;) |
| 10:17.24 | lardman | rm_you: zeroconf with a broadcast message that you're an IT user |
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| 10:20.03 | harriv | NXX0 users |
| 10:21.09 | Kegetys | *0 users |
| 10:21.39 | lardman | harriv: 770 doesn't have an N ;) |
| 10:22.11 | harriv | d'oh |
| 10:22.49 | rm_you | (l)o(l)wned |
| 10:23.21 | rm_you | hrm |
| 10:23.22 | rm_you | great |
| 10:23.34 | rm_you | Preparing to replace icd2 0.48 (using .../archives/icd2_0.50_armel.deb) ... |
| 10:23.34 | rm_you | Stopping Internet Connectivity daemon 2: icd2 |
| 10:23.35 | XTLi | Stand back, I'm trying regular expressions! |
| 10:23.51 | rm_you | and... ssh closes cause it shut off the net |
| 10:23.54 | XTLi | N?[78].0 |
| 10:23.55 | rm_you | so upgrade stalls |
| 10:24.16 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 10:24.19 | Kegetys | same just happened to me |
| 10:24.24 | rm_you | sup jaffa |
| 10:24.24 | liri | heh, nice XTLi |
| 10:24.27 | MangoFusion | tried running it in screen? |
| 10:24.36 | rm_you | forgot to screen |
| 10:24.43 | qwerty12 | didn't need to |
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| 10:25.58 | GAN800 | Holy SHIT. MicroB SCREAMS. |
| 10:26.03 | rm_you | lol? |
| 10:26.08 | rm_you | nice improvements? |
| 10:26.22 | GAN800 | Insane |
| 10:26.36 | rm_you | would love to see some real stats |
| 10:27.57 | GAN800 | Window changes are much faster |
| 10:28.53 | rm_you | looks around for timeless/timely |
| 10:29.34 | GAN800 | Virtual tect input is, unfortunately, still broken as shit. |
| 10:29.45 | GAN800 | a/tect/text/ |
| 10:30.01 | XTLi | Hmm |
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| 10:30.07 | lardman | Randomly I saw some shared folders shown in the File Manager (shared from my Windows PC) |
| 10:30.17 | lardman | is that a new feature? |
| 10:30.21 | rm_you | lol |
| 10:30.27 | konttori | nope. it's been there for chinook |
| 10:30.30 | rm_you | no, "randomly" is an old feature :P |
| 10:30.33 | konttori | (SMB) |
| 10:30.34 | aquatix | GAN800: you have a new build? |
| 10:30.43 | lardman | ah well, I don't often have Windows booted |
| 10:31.01 | GAN800 | aquatix, refresh Application Manaager. |
| 10:31.12 | zap | GAN800: can you switch language while in browser? |
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| 10:31.20 | rm_you | lulz: gconftool-2: I've been haxored to use xml::/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults as the config source. |
| 10:31.35 | GAN800 | zap, I speak English. |
| 10:31.39 | zap | ah ok |
| 10:31.49 | rm_you | WTF |
| 10:32.15 | rm_you | ok, installing the nokia-repository appears to have BROKEN the update proceedure now |
| 10:32.21 | aquatix | GAN800: ooh! |
| 10:32.21 | rm_you | as it no longer finds any available updates? |
| 10:32.23 | qwerty12 | Nokia still haven't added the Martian language support :( |
| 10:32.42 | XTLi | Maybe browserd finally does its job? :) |
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| 10:32.50 | nomis | qwerty12: do they have klingon now? |
| 10:33.03 | rm_you | ah there we are, just had to update again |
| 10:33.09 | rm_you | wait wtf? |
| 10:33.11 | X-Fade | rm_you: Are you sure that it isn't because you messed with the unlocked package etc? :) |
| 10:33.21 | qwerty12 | nomis: no. what have nokia become! |
| 10:33.24 | XTLi | Could just start with earth languages like lojban |
| 10:33.31 | rm_you | X-Fade: shhhh |
| 10:33.33 | qwerty12 | X-Fade: I updated fine using -unlocked |
| 10:33.36 | lardman | or Polish ;) |
| 10:33.40 | aquatix | whoa |
| 10:33.43 | aquatix | loads of updates |
| 10:33.45 | rm_you | err why is it installing from a chinook repo!? |
| 10:33.52 | X-Fade | qwerty12: Yes, but rm_you tried some crazy things ;) |
| 10:33.53 | qwerty12 | rm_you: because you have it added? :P |
| 10:33.59 | rm_you | qwerty12: no i removed it |
| 10:34.09 | rm_you | X-Fade: yeah, but they should have been SAFE crazy things :P |
| 10:34.17 | X-Fade | rm_you: lol ;) |
| 10:34.18 | aquatix | what is the recommended way of updating? update all? |
| 10:34.21 | qwerty12 | They probably bear no difference |
| 10:34.23 | rm_you | X-Fade: if you noticed, my osso-software-version-unlocked package is in extras <_< |
| 10:34.35 | aquatix | or OS2008 feature upgrade (unlocked) |
| 10:34.37 | konttori | aquatix: I recommend updating the OS first |
| 10:34.40 | X-Fade | rm_you: I haven't dared to touch that.. |
| 10:34.42 | konttori | then the rest of the apps |
| 10:34.43 | rm_you | lol |
| 10:34.43 | qwerty12 | aquatix: OS2008 feature upgrade (unlocked) |
| 10:34.48 | aquatix | cool |
| 10:34.51 | aquatix | does so |
| 10:35.06 | aquatix | gotta love wifi at work :P |
| 10:35.46 | GAN800 | Somebody want to test dummy connections? |
| 10:36.06 | qwerty12 | GAN800: already done so. no dice. |
| 10:36.10 | rm_you | yeah so, it definitely changed my sources.list to use chinook >_< |
| 10:36.13 | rm_you | but i changed it back |
| 10:36.25 | GAN800 | Since there's pretty much zero chance of any Nokia engineers actually telling us if the fix shipped. :rolleyes: |
| 10:36.33 | GAN800 | qwerty12, lame. . . . |
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| 10:36.39 | rm_you | hrmrm.... |
| 10:36.51 | rm_you | still, the updates have disappeared... |
| 10:37.09 | rm_you | i no longer get updates available for initfs-flasher and the kernel flasher |
| 10:37.11 | X-Fade | rm_you: Try apt-get upgrade? |
| 10:37.14 | rm_you | and i did NOT install the updates yet |
| 10:37.16 | rm_you | yeah |
| 10:37.17 | rm_you | gone |
| 10:37.28 | rm_you | i was installing them in chunks on the command line |
| 10:37.43 | qwerty12 | rm_you: you have the password, dpkg -i them and flash-and-reboot yourself :P |
| 10:38.08 | rm_you | someone apt-cache policy initfs-flasher |
| 10:38.34 | qwerty12 | rm_you: even quicker ;) |
| 10:38.36 | rm_you | I have: "Candidate: 0.95.16-200823maemo2", same as installed |
| 10:38.36 | qwerty12 | rm_you: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo/initfs-flasher_0.95.16-200829maemo1_all.deb |
| 10:38.55 | qwerty12 | ^ That's the latest on nokia's servers |
| 10:39.34 | rm_you | hrm |
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| 10:40.58 | nomis | oh wow: finally: http://www.amazon.de/dp/B001CX5G8K/ |
| 10:41.23 | nomis | (unfortunately with a hazardous USB-A-Female connection) |
| 10:41.29 | qwerty12 | rm_you: carry on with the rest of the install and after rebooting run, cat /mnt/initfs/etc/initfs_version. if it's 2008-29, rejoice. if not, wget with the password the link I mentioned and dpkg -i and then flash-and-reboot and rejoice |
| 10:41.52 | rm_you | i mean |
| 10:41.59 | Kegetys | 100g adapter, pretty heavy |
| 10:42.00 | rm_you | the point was that i *didn't* want to flash the initfs right now |
| 10:42.11 | rm_you | but that wasnt the only update that just vanished |
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| 10:42.37 | qwerty12 | rm_you: hmm, does /mnt/initfs/bootmenu.sh still exist? if it does, I'll make a quick solution |
| 10:43.05 | rm_you | yes |
| 10:43.17 | qwerty12 | great, give me a few mins |
| 10:43.20 | rm_you | ?? |
| 10:43.26 | aquatix | nomis: hazardous USB-A-Female? |
| 10:43.45 | qwerty12 | rm_you: I'm into initfs hacking, I've learnt a few tricks ;) |
| 10:43.50 | rm_you | yeah but |
| 10:43.57 | rm_you | again, initfs itself isnt the problem |
| 10:43.59 | nomis | aquatix: it has those evil pieces of metal sticking outwards. |
| 10:44.00 | rm_you | it was just an example |
| 10:44.06 | rm_you | that updates literally just VANISHED |
| 10:44.09 | aquatix | nomis: ah, like that |
| 10:44.10 | nomis | aquatix: it should be molded into plastic. |
| 10:44.15 | aquatix | yeah |
| 10:44.22 | aquatix | not expensive though |
| 10:44.27 | qwerty12 | rm_you: but you don't want the initfs flashed right? |
| 10:44.30 | aquatix | do they ship to the NL? |
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| 10:44.42 | nomis | aquatix: no idea. |
| 10:44.51 | aquatix | looks |
| 10:45.27 | rm_you | qwerty12: well, yes |
| 10:45.41 | qwerty12 | fuck this, i'm confused :P |
| 10:47.25 | qwerty12 | if you are feeling in an experimental mood: apt-get install --reinstall osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked |
| 10:49.03 | aquatix | erm |
| 10:49.17 | aquatix | it's normal that it powers off after the OS2008 update? |
| 10:49.26 | kulve | aquatix: looks so |
| 10:49.32 | qwerty12 | aquatix: yeah, it reboots |
| 10:49.40 | aquatix | yeah, but rebooting != powering off ;) |
| 10:49.44 | aquatix | boots |
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| 10:50.30 | kulve | aquatix: ah, it did restart when I updated it, not just power off.. |
| 10:50.31 | aquatix | wonder why it takes so long |
| 10:50.45 | aquatix | ack |
| 10:50.52 | aquatix | now it turned itself off |
| 10:51.03 | aquatix | with the lcd fading away |
| 10:51.05 | aquatix | crap |
| 10:51.34 | aquatix | is there some safe booting option? |
| 10:54.20 | aquatix | this is odd; it shows the nokia logo, no progress bar |
| 10:54.40 | aquatix | and then it fades |
| 10:55.07 | XTLi | You do have power? |
| 10:55.24 | aquatix | yeah, charged last night |
| 10:55.46 | lcuk | charged last night and have power now are 2 different things ;) |
| 10:55.59 | aquatix | ok, battery was full when i did the update ;) |
| 10:56.11 | aquatix | don't have a charger with me |
| 10:56.19 | aquatix | but it was full several minutes ago |
| 10:56.22 | aquatix | and powers on |
| 10:56.31 | aquatix | but then just fails to boot |
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| 10:57.47 | macoute | my browser doesnt seem to be any faster |
| 10:59.20 | lardman | mine wouldn't connect, might be the connection though ;) |
| 10:59.31 | js_manrique | hi! |
| 10:59.31 | aquatix | would love it when his boots |
| 10:59.51 | js_manrique | does anyboyd know if gazpacho-maemo project is alive? |
| 11:00.09 | js_manrique | (somehting to develop easily GUI wity python) |
| 11:00.32 | js_manrique | wity/with |
| 11:00.44 | GAN800 | macoute, mostly window management. |
| 11:01.10 | rm_you | Reinstallation of osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. |
| 11:01.12 | rm_you | O_o |
| 11:02.50 | aquatix | anyone have an idea how to fix? |
| 11:02.57 | aquatix | or will it be a re-flash? |
| 11:03.39 | lardman | rm_you: have you --force'd it using dpkg? |
| 11:03.49 | rm_you | no?! |
| 11:04.13 | rm_you | apt-cache policy does not show it in any repo |
| 11:04.17 | rm_you | i must be missing a repository |
| 11:04.21 | lardman | oh I see |
| 11:04.28 | rm_you | i KNOW that the nokia-repository package fscked with it |
| 11:04.31 | lardman | it was in the catalogue one I thought |
| 11:04.32 | rm_you | i don't know how tho |
| 11:05.30 | Kegetys | I think same happened to me, all the updates went away and it didnt seem to install them |
| 11:05.38 | rm_you | yeah |
| 11:05.45 | aquatix | meh stares at his paperweight |
| 11:06.17 | lardman | aquatix: reflash |
| 11:06.22 | aquatix | yeah, i guess |
| 11:06.31 | aquatix | will have to wait till this evening |
| 11:06.33 | aquatix | meh |
| 11:06.44 | lardman | obviously your one didn't like the initfs flash |
| 11:06.48 | rm_you | this is why i wasn't fucking with it right now >_< |
| 11:06.51 | rm_you | EXACTLY the reason |
| 11:06.55 | rm_you | it worked. i hope it still works |
| 11:07.05 | aquatix | lardman: apparently |
| 11:07.07 | rm_you | I am flying in 24 hours or so |
| 11:07.09 | GAN800 | Weird, individual update repo for each Diablo version. :/ http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo-1/ |
| 11:07.14 | rm_you | and i dont have time to deal with this <_< |
| 11:07.17 | aquatix | lardman: there's no verbose boot option i guess? |
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| 11:07.35 | GAN800 | rm_you, remove the nokia-repo package? |
| 11:07.41 | rm_you | will try |
| 11:07.48 | GAN800 | Switch that back to diablo/ |
| 11:08.16 | rm_you | that may be it |
| 11:08.24 | GAN800 | It is. |
| 11:08.37 | rm_you | yep |
| 11:08.39 | rm_you | packages are back |
| 11:08.44 | lardman | aquatix: no, you might try disabling the lifeguard reset, but you need the cable & flasher to do that anyway |
| 11:08.48 | GAN800 | Install nokia-repositories last if you'rs doing it manually. |
| 11:09.27 | GAN800 | andre____, the bug as stated is solved, dunno about the internal ticket. |
| 11:09.42 | js_manrique | anybody? is gazpacho-maemo died? |
| 11:09.50 | aquatix | lardman: sounds like i'll just flash this evening, then do an upgrade |
| 11:09.51 | rm_you | ok so for now, i want to flash neither my kernel nor my initfs |
| 11:10.02 | rm_you | so i guess i am good as-is |
| 11:10.10 | js_manrique | another question... has anybody tried fennec M6? it seems that diablo repository doesn't exists |
| 11:10.10 | rm_you | since i have modified versions of both |
| 11:10.29 | GAN800 | js_manrique, it's shit. |
| 11:10.50 | js_manrique | GAN800: fennec? |
| 11:11.00 | GAN800 | Yes. |
| 11:11.14 | js_manrique | GAN800: it is still very alpha, I think |
| 11:11.30 | GAN800 | Only worth installing if you're interested in actively developing it. |
| 11:11.44 | GAN800 | It's not yet alpha |
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| 11:11.56 | GAN800 | alpha is scheduled for a few months from now. |
| 11:12.23 | js_manrique | GAN800: yes |
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| 11:15.12 | rm_you | qwerty12: how to make immc2 the default boot? |
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| 11:15.56 | GAN800 | flasher |
| 11:16.01 | qwerty12 | rm_you: try chroot /mnt/initfs cal-tool --set-root-device ask:mmc2 |
| 11:16.07 | GAN800 | bootmenu readme tells |
| 11:16.21 | lardman | qwerty12: I like the "you could try"..... ;D |
| 11:16.52 | qwerty12 | lardman: :P |
| 11:16.58 | lardman | :) |
| 11:17.43 | rm_you | it isn't immc2? |
| 11:17.54 | GAN800 | lol? |
| 11:18.08 | GAN800 | iTablet |
| 11:18.12 | qwerty12 | rm_you: it shouldn't be iirc. l'll check linuxrc |
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| 11:19.27 | qwerty12 | rm_you: are you using a bootmenu.conf? |
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| 11:20.06 | Khertan_n810 | Hi ! |
| 11:20.55 | rm_you | qwerty12: i guess? I dont mess with initfs |
| 11:21.06 | rm_you | i installed fanoush's thing a while back |
| 11:21.08 | rm_you | and havent touched it since |
| 11:21.31 | qwerty12 | rm_you: bootmenu.conf isn't installed by default. what does cat /mnt/initfs/bootmenu.conf say? |
| 11:22.29 | Khertan_n810 | alarmd binding doesn t accept utf8 encoded string ! |
| 11:22.30 | Khertan_n810 | arg ! |
| 11:22.33 | rm_you | lots of stuff |
| 11:23.11 | macoute | who reported that his microb seemed a lot faster? |
| 11:23.21 | Kegetys | rm_you: what fixed the updates disappearing for you? |
| 11:23.55 | Khertan_n810 | macoute > many people |
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| 11:25.34 | macoute | Khertan_n810: my browser takes about 17 sec to start (from zero to a browser not loading homepage) |
| 11:25.44 | macoute | so that is not an improvement |
| 11:26.13 | macoute | version 4.2008.23-14, is that ok? |
| 11:26.36 | jott | haha "Stopping Internet Connectivity daemon 2: icd2" - last message i saw. doh! :) |
| 11:27.47 | qwerty12 | lol, what are you mans upgrading with? I used the hildon-application-manager to do it and my upgrade went flawlessly :) |
| 11:27.55 | jott | yuk |
| 11:28.00 | jott | never touches h-a-m |
| 11:28.13 | Anunakin | nice |
| 11:28.17 | jott | it's the spawn of evil :O |
| 11:28.24 | Kegetys | jott: same happened to me and now, I think, all the packages/repos are screwed up |
| 11:28.28 | qwerty12 | I usually don't but I do for SSU because ssu packages have special flags which only h-a-m will read :) |
| 11:28.33 | jott | Kegetys: it continues to update |
| 11:28.40 | XTLi | I used apt |
| 11:28.48 | Kegetys | jott: my updates vanished without being installed |
| 11:28.56 | Kegetys | (it seems) |
| 11:28.57 | XTLi | Ran well, rebooted myself afterwards |
| 11:28.58 | jott | apt-get -f install |
| 11:29.21 | jott | well it's still running here |
| 11:29.24 | jott | so let's see |
| 11:29.29 | Kegetys | does nothing... |
| 11:29.42 | jott | maybe all went fine?! :) |
| 11:30.14 | jott | aaah it reconnected and dumped all the output. |
| 11:30.14 | Khertan_n810 | hum ... i ll wait a bit before update |
| 11:30.24 | jott | all hail to long timeouts with ssh sessions :) |
| 11:30.38 | Khertan_n810 | as repository are always broken when there is update |
| 11:30.48 | konttori | Khertan_n810: if you don't have any weird setup, you are safe to do it now. (using appman). |
| 11:31.02 | konttori | the application repositories won't change a bit. |
| 11:31.09 | konttori | Only the system update repo. |
| 11:31.18 | Khertan_n810 | thinks it s mainly due to 33,6k modem used for the maemo repository |
| 11:31.35 | konttori | It's slow? Really? |
| 11:31.58 | macoute | what is the version you guys have after update? |
| 11:32.04 | jott | i got 255kB/s, not good and not that bad either. |
| 11:32.11 | macoute | so control panel - about |
| 11:32.11 | konttori | 30-2 |
| 11:32.23 | macoute | hmm, i only have 23-14 |
| 11:32.28 | macoute | so something didnt work out |
| 11:32.52 | RST38h | macoute: it needs a sacrifice |
| 11:33.01 | macoute | RST38h: would a sheep do? |
| 11:33.10 | RST38h | macoute: preferable human, but a black goat or two will do |
| 11:33.45 | qwerty12 | offers RST38h |
| 11:33.48 | macoute | then i'll go with a human, just to be sure |
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| 11:34.24 | crashanddie | Khertan_n810, they don't have a 33.6k modem |
| 11:34.40 | RST38h | qwerty: won't do |
| 11:34.48 | crashanddie | Khertan_n810, they have an old morse code expert, who directly taps binary on the phone line |
| 11:34.51 | jott | crashanddie: 14.4? or 300bps? |
| 11:34.51 | RST38h | qwerty: 'll just make Him angry |
| 11:34.58 | qwerty12 | RST38h: lol |
| 11:35.23 | konttori | crashanddie: Is the update slow for you? |
| 11:35.25 | crashanddie | When Doctor Who murders Captain Jean-Luc Picard: http://davidtennant.albumpost.com//albums/album833/abu.sized.jpg |
| 11:35.29 | crashanddie | which update ? |
| 11:35.33 | konttori | SSU. |
| 11:35.38 | konttori | As in the OS update |
| 11:35.44 | crashanddie | there's an OS update ? |
| 11:35.49 | macoute | i have problems updatin libopenobex1-packages |
| 11:35.53 | konttori | Are you kidding? |
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| 11:37.38 | crashanddie | well, I wouldn't be surprised if there's an OS update and the servers are slow, everyone's trying to update :P |
| 11:37.44 | crashanddie | what's the update all about, link ? |
| 11:38.22 | jott | lot's of new package versions - hard to tell. fixes and new bugs i guess :) |
| 11:38.43 | XTLi | Changelogs |
| 11:38.46 | jott | are there? |
| 11:38.54 | jott | looks |
| 11:38.59 | XTLi | Really want them |
| 11:39.09 | qwerty12 | lol |
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| 11:39.48 | jott | atleast it rebooted after the update. |
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| 11:40.42 | XTL | Wonder if I should just reflash |
| 11:41.58 | jott | hm is it just me or is the browser a bit faster? |
| 11:42.06 | macoute | should libopenobex be a somehow critical library? |
| 11:42.13 | XTL | jott: Many people seem to be saying it is |
| 11:42.15 | macoute | i think i installed it myself? |
| 11:42.31 | XTL | macoute: Is it used by the builtin BT stuff |
| 11:42.45 | macoute | XTL: is it? |
| 11:42.45 | XTL | send/recv files is what I think it does |
| 11:42.49 | XTL | I don't know :) |
| 11:43.05 | XTL | I keep seeing "Operating system, 0kb" in Appman |
| 11:43.11 | macoute | yeah, that is obex, but if i recall correctly i installed it myself... |
| 11:43.16 | XTL | And about shows old version |
| 11:43.17 | macoute | now i cant remove it, though |
| 11:43.33 | XTL | macoute: It might be from some other repo of course. You could check with apt-cache policy? |
| 11:44.25 | qwerty12 | dannym: (for when he reads the logs), you can find a proper usbmodeswitch deb here: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/usbmodeswitch_0.9.4_armel.deb |
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| 11:45.38 | macoute | XTL: removing it is going to rmemove a lot varying from claws-mail to nokia-repository and skype :) |
| 11:48.47 | XTL | I have it too, and no repo so I think it's from the base system |
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| 11:54.04 | Jaffa | crashanddie: going to see Hamlet in October :) |
| 11:54.17 | crashanddie | Jaffa, you have the tickets already ? |
| 11:54.44 | crashanddie | Jaffa, you going at the London one ? |
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| 12:00.22 | RST38h | Gentlemen, I am at work and it will be a few hors before I canupdate the tablet |
| 12:00.37 | RST38h | So, what is new in the SSU ? |
| 12:00.53 | lcuk | jaffa, don't get all dreamy eyed and lose yourself in the doctorwho/star trek fantasy - remember its hamlet you are going to see |
| 12:01.29 | lcuk | trips up crashanddie |
| 12:02.19 | crashanddie | lcuk, you'll never find me at fault |
| 12:02.43 | lcuk | undoes the bolts on your scooter |
| 12:02.49 | crashanddie | lcuk, at best, you might find errors in my code, but that is merely due to poor keyboards, but, I never, make any mistake |
| 12:03.26 | lcuk | eh crashanddie ? |
| 12:03.28 | crashanddie | oh wait, wait, wait, I'll do that in Horatio Caine (CSI Miami) style |
| 12:04.08 | crashanddie | But I, never [pause][put sunglasses on] make any mistake [walks out of shot] |
| 12:04.27 | lcuk | [and into a lampost] |
| 12:05.01 | qwerty12 | lol |
| 12:05.06 | lcuk | the jim carrey pisstake of that ruined it for the missus - she laughs now everytime hedoes it |
| 12:07.05 | crashanddie | lcuk, have you seen the 10 minute long collection of cheesy lines on youtube ? |
| 12:07.19 | XTL | There's a few iirc |
| 12:07.38 | crashanddie | lcuk, http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_sarYH0z948 |
| 12:08.25 | lcuk | yer i think so, but i cant view stuff here tis work and yt doesnt work too well over this slowass link |
| 12:09.04 | lcuk | crashanddie, i solved my scaling dilemma - actually i had solved it a while ago |
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| 12:10.48 | XTL | flashandreboot helped \o{ |
| 12:11.11 | lcuk | 's head spins: The neat thing about pseudo-randomness is that, if you think about it -- and you don't think too much about it -- you can actually generate a real random number by pseudo-randomizing a pseudo-randomizer a pseudo-random number of times. |
| 12:12.53 | qwerty12 | prefers kde3 over kde4 |
| 12:13.28 | lcuk | qwerty12, i thought 4.1 was much more stable, or havent you tried that yet? or are they both as bad as each otehr |
| 12:13.39 | XTL | prefers home toesurgery to kde |
| 12:13.45 | aquatix | lol |
| 12:14.05 | qwerty12 | lcuk: I tried out the final release of kde4 and I still found it every inch as unstable as the testing builds :/ |
| 12:14.16 | lcuk | lol xtl, gnome foot |
| 12:14.38 | crashanddie | lcuk, it won't be a real random number, will it ? |
| 12:14.46 | crashanddie | lcuk, you're just complicating the whole thing, but it's not random |
| 12:14.56 | lcuk | qwerty12, its a very cutting edge package, 4.1 is supposed to clarify lots of that |
| 12:15.13 | lcuk | crashanddie, no it wont - its from dailywtf |
| 12:16.01 | RST38h | KDE4 = Windows of tomorrow |
| 12:16.08 | qwerty12 | Thanks lcuk for the heads up. May have another go sometime. But I just realised I don't need it as nautilus supports SSH too :) |
| 12:16.30 | aquatix | RST38h: even crappier? |
| 12:16.30 | aquatix | runs |
| 12:16.30 | lcuk | fair enough |
| 12:17.00 | RST38h | about the same |
| 12:17.06 | jott | RST38h: gnome = windows of yesterday? :) |
| 12:17.45 | XTL | With all the pimp shareware mods |
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| 12:19.07 | lcuk | gotta go , back later |
| 12:19.19 | aquatix | rather likes xfce4 |
| 12:19.29 | aquatix | jott: gnome looks a lot better :) |
| 12:19.33 | jott | aquatix: haha |
| 12:19.46 | jott | aquatix: this is the most pathetic thing to say :) |
| 12:19.46 | roadies | why can't you do soft links on n810 doing "ln -s ../mediawiki/index.php ./index.php" complains that the operation is not allowed.....?? |
| 12:20.01 | aquatix | xfce4 with some nice themes is damn nice and usable |
| 12:20.13 | aquatix | roadies: on a memory card? |
| 12:20.21 | roadies | yeah |
| 12:20.29 | aquatix | the memory cards are fat formatted by default |
| 12:20.36 | aquatix | and FAT doesn't support symlinks |
| 12:20.51 | RST38h | jott: yep |
| 12:20.52 | trickie|work | roadies: try ext2 |
| 12:21.14 | trickie|work | filesystem is not journaled but it is a *real* one :) |
| 12:21.15 | aquatix | jott: pathetic to say gnome looks a lot better than windows? or that i like xfce4? :) |
| 12:21.19 | roadies | can you format 'em to ext2 or (pref) ext3 |
| 12:21.26 | aquatix | roadies: sure |
| 12:21.28 | aquatix | google it |
| 12:21.33 | aquatix | there are some nice howto's |
| 12:21.42 | roadies | thanks --- working it |
| 12:21.46 | aquatix | even can do two partitions; one fat, one ext2/3 |
| 12:21.58 | jott | aquatix: it's fine to like xfce. but to say gnome "looks better" is just .... |
| 12:22.17 | aquatix | jott: heheh, yeah, that sounds like being an ubuntu user ;) |
| 12:22.39 | roadies | now ... hold on....dont get too fancy on me... ;-) |
| 12:22.55 | aquatix | i miss the keyboard usability of xfce4 on gnome, but overall gnome works quite ok for me |
| 12:23.34 | aquatix | roadies: two partitions on a card means that you can still have a FAT `disk' which can be read by a windows pc |
| 12:23.35 | mikkov_ | X-Fade: is there a way to upload package to chinook extras non-free? |
| 12:23.38 | aquatix | which could be useful |
| 12:23.51 | aquatix | roadies: but of course you can just format it to ext2 or ext3 |
| 12:24.02 | aquatix | not sure whether ext3 is directly supported by the tablet thoguh |
| 12:24.40 | qwerty12 | it is when the module is inserted |
| 12:24.42 | roadies | aquatix: hummm as much as I try staying away from anything windows these days... its an idea |
| 12:24.58 | X-Fade | mikkov_: Nothing has been setup for that yet. |
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| 12:25.19 | X-Fade | mikkov_: I'm not sure if it is a wise thing to mess with chinook like that ;) |
| 12:26.32 | mikkov_ | X-Fade: but I need it;) I can upload to diablo non-free ;) |
| 12:27.17 | mikkov_ | X-Fade: well, I can put also to free but it really is non-free |
| 12:27.19 | X-Fade | mikkov_: We have some non-free packages in chinook posing as free. |
| 12:27.46 | X-Fade | mikkov_: But I really don't know if it is a good idea to change policies on a 'legacy' repository. |
| 12:28.16 | mikkov_ | X-Fade: I'll use free, np |
| 12:28.17 | aquatix | roadies: https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card should be useful, but it won't load here at |
| 12:28.20 | aquatix | *atm |
| 12:28.34 | X-Fade | mikkov_: It might be a good idea to discuss it on -developers. |
| 12:31.54 | roadies | aquatix: thanks, but before I do any formating, I just discovered the Apache server doesnt have php in it which is the real goal here.... |
| 12:32.05 | aquatix | ah |
| 12:32.13 | aquatix | maybe through cgi? |
| 12:33.16 | roadies | aquatix, sorry more explaining is needed.... I'm looking into setting the n810 up as a wiki server |
| 12:33.27 | roadies | mediawiki needs php |
| 12:35.12 | aquatix | roadies: heh, cool |
| 12:35.22 | aquatix | but maybe you can run php through a cgi on apache |
| 12:35.35 | aquatix | or look into getting the apache php module |
| 12:36.26 | jott | or even lighttpd? |
| 12:37.21 | aquatix | yeah, sounds like a better plan |
| 12:37.31 | Kegetys | nginx + pgp5-fastcgi works |
| 12:37.31 | aquatix | will run better on a n810 i guess |
| 12:37.36 | Kegetys | php |
| 12:37.42 | roadies | I'm starting to poke around for a php module....and I TOTALLY agree it cool... I "popped a cork" as they say when I found the apache server support downloaded it and was webbing into my n810... this stuff is way-way cool |
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| 12:38.42 | aquatix | :) |
| 12:40.51 | Kegetys | http://212.149.175.238:10080/phpsysinfo/ :P |
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| 12:41.24 | aquatix | *crunch* |
| 12:41.28 | aquatix | neat |
| 12:42.55 | aquatix | screenshots :P |
| 12:45.18 | Blastur | anyone in here set up ziproxy to use with n810? i wonder how the microB browser handles gzipped streams/content? (http://ziproxy.sourceforge.net/) |
| 12:45.40 | aquatix | should be fine |
| 12:45.43 | aquatix | imho |
| 12:45.58 | aquatix | maybe uses more cpu though |
| 12:45.58 | Blastur | is it worth it? i figure the gain in reduced bandwidth usage may cause the device to run slow if it has to uncompress and stuff |
| 12:46.08 | Blastur | also, do you know if microB can support JPEG2000? |
| 12:46.11 | aquatix | i wouldn't know |
| 12:46.17 | Blastur | okay, thanks anyway |
| 12:46.19 | aquatix | i think you'd better just try and benchmark |
| 12:46.40 | aquatix | i think it would need a plugin for jpeg2000, and i'm not aware of any |
| 12:47.15 | Blastur | its not so important anyway.. im mostly after gzipped html and jpegs which are reduced in quality |
| 12:47.22 | zap | Kegetys: Distro Name Debian testing/unstable |
| 12:47.24 | Blastur | and that should run fine then on the n810 |
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| 12:47.28 | zap | Kegetys: that's a lie :) |
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| 12:48.07 | Kegetys | zap: blame phpsysinfo :P |
| 12:48.53 | aquatix | Blastur: yeah |
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| 12:49.50 | macoute | what does your dist-upgrade? |
| 12:50.04 | macoute | does it try to remove busybox? :o |
| 12:51.20 | jott | macoute: "apt-get dist-upgrade" went fine here (besides the "icd2 stopped" shock :) |
| 12:54.14 | macoute | jott: hmm, i started my upgrade from h-a-m but now im stuck :/ |
| 12:55.29 | macoute | jott: actually, it seems to be possible that i really do need to remove my busybox... |
| 12:55.46 | macoute | jott: but it didnt warn you that its going to remove a lot of programs? |
| 12:55.49 | macoute | the dist-upgrade |
| 12:56.34 | qwerty12_N800 | macoute: disable all your repos except for the update one |
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| 12:58.09 | macoute | qwerty12_N800: thats what im doing right now |
| 12:58.19 | macoute | i shoulndt have any conflicting ones, though |
| 12:58.36 | macoute | but hey, i got my brand new 5600+ server running in germany! |
| 12:58.48 | macoute | nice job, i orderer it today |
| 12:58.49 | roadies | aquatix, before I logout...thanks for the help |
| 12:59.44 | macoute | and at the same time as i received this confirmation mail the author of mmpc replied to my mail |
| 12:59.54 | macoute | so if you are here, holger, thanx :) |
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| 13:00.24 | jott | macoute: no. i had no troubles with busybox at all using apt-get. |
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| 13:05.22 | eichi_ | hello |
| 13:05.29 | eichi_ | some hot news about maemo? |
| 13:06.38 | XTL | same old |
| 13:07.23 | aquatix | eichi_: new updates today, if you didn't hear/notice |
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| 13:14.10 | Veggen | aquatix: uhm...large updates? |
| 13:14.37 | Veggen | (sorry, I normally don't follow #maemo daytime if I'm a bit busy at work. I'll go read backlog ;P) |
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| 13:15.13 | XTL | somewhat large |
| 13:19.38 | XTL | #3478 is now closed |
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| 13:22.08 | aquatix | Veggen: OS updates; a.o. updates to microb, modest and telepathy |
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| 13:22.18 | aquatix | and some initfs stuff that broke my tablet :P |
| 13:22.29 | aquatix | but that might be because of my own fiddling beforehand |
| 13:22.47 | Veggen | ok, I've done nothing that touches initfs. |
| 13:22.55 | aquatix | neither |
| 13:22.59 | aquatix | still, it broke |
| 13:23.12 | aquatix | anyway, going to reflash diablo this evening and update cleanly |
| 13:23.14 | XTL | Mine failed to do the flash and reboot on its own, but otherwise no problems |
| 13:23.33 | XTL | Not quite sure if there's any tanglible change either except for version strings :) |
| 13:23.34 | aquatix | XTL: mine started to reboot, but gets stuck somehow on the Nokia logo |
| 13:23.44 | aquatix | it just fades out and shuts off |
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| 13:25.42 | Roman__ | hi everybody i want to run web browser with flash support on arm11 i.MX31 processor. I ported and run arora on the ARM but i don;t have flash support. So i want to ask you is it possible to run maemo on ARM processor with flash support ? |
| 13:27.44 | Roman__ | ? |
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| 13:40.13 | RST38h | Roman: Probably. |
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| 13:50.15 | crashanddie | sexy lady: http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/8594/screenshot01ki4.png |
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| 14:01.21 | timeless | is planet.maemo.org broken for anyone else? |
| 14:01.44 | X-Fade | timeless: Hmm it is for me too. |
| 14:01.53 | X-Fade | timeless: I'll find out what happens. |
| 14:02.02 | timeless | Firefox has detected that the server is redirecting the request for this address in a way that will never complete. |
| 14:02.08 | timeless | you'll file a bug? |
| 14:02.12 | timeless | http://maemo.org//news/planet-maemo/ |
| 14:02.14 | timeless | is where i got sent |
| 14:02.14 | *** part/#maemo jegp (n=jegp@190.2.197.26) |
| 14:02.16 | timeless | instead of |
| 14:02.22 | timeless | http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo// |
| 14:02.26 | timeless | which is where we used to go |
| 14:02.33 | timeless | http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/ <- is the ideal url |
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| 14:03.06 | X-Fade | timeless: I get a 404. |
| 14:03.26 | X-Fade | No redirect. |
| 14:05.14 | X-Fade | Hmm ok, it seems that Ferenc was working on it. |
| 14:05.57 | jahor | hi i will repeat my question from this morning: hello, my n810 suffer from random reboots. i was directed to the common problem with reformat sollution. but it does not help. yesterday i tried to use dualboot from sd card and after a while it reebooted again. i had suspect it is the abnormaly defective internal flash, but now when it reboots with removable sd card .... could it be something well known or is it the reason for warranty claim ? anybody any hint p |
| 14:07.27 | zap | jahor: try a clean reflash, if it still reboots it is a reason for warranty claims |
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| 14:07.44 | X-Fade | timeless: Trailing slash removed. |
| 14:08.07 | timeless | woohoo |
| 14:08.48 | timeless | err, did you get the bugjar guy to back post jars 1..11? |
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| 14:08.56 | timeless | is so glad to see a blog for it |
| 14:09.13 | X-Fade | Heh, I just added the atom feed for it. |
| 14:09.41 | timeless | fwiw, we're trying (and failing) to get open in background |
| 14:09.44 | timeless | ... |
| 14:10.04 | timeless | our group wants it, but the ui people aren't budging |
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| 14:10.41 | X-Fade | timeless: Well, I was pleasantly surprised about the browser after today's update. ;) |
| 14:10.42 | Kegetys | why would someone have something against it |
| 14:10.46 | X-Fade | That counts for something.. |
| 14:11.08 | timeless | kegetys: i'm not going there in a public channel |
| 14:11.58 | timeless | x-fade: i'll try to get a new xref up eventually, but a push will have to wait for dreamhost to get fixed |
| 14:12.28 | X-Fade | timeless: What hardware is required for running the mxr? |
| 14:12.30 | Kegetys | can we vote to fire the ui people? :P |
| 14:12.46 | timeless | x-fade: you want something like 100gb of storage |
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| 14:12.57 | timeless | and decent uplink/downlink |
| 14:13.04 | X-Fade | timeless: We might get a VM etc for that.. |
| 14:13.05 | timeless | it really belongs at a dreamhost like system |
| 14:13.19 | timeless | http://www.dreamhoststatus.com/2008/07/21/lovejoy-and-sanjay-file-server-issues/ |
| 14:13.22 | timeless | is the issue |
| 14:13.53 | timeless | i'm one of those 19 :) |
| 14:14.00 | timeless | i expect to be the *last* one |
| 14:15.29 | crashanddie | wait |
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| 14:15.39 | crashanddie | maemo is hosted on dreamhost ? |
| 14:16.22 | X-Fade | no. |
| 14:16.54 | crashanddie | ah, ok |
| 14:17.01 | crashanddie | was frightened there for a second |
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| 14:25.59 | GreyFoxx | Anyone know of a software toggle to tel the n810 to not turn on the red indicator light when the camera is enabled ? |
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| 14:26.53 | timeless | is it possible that's against the law in some countries? :) |
| 14:27.18 | lardman | timeless: I thought that was a shutter sound? |
| 14:27.32 | timeless | i think it's both :) |
| 14:27.32 | lardman | can't see the light when it's up someone's skirt and all that |
| 14:27.35 | GreyFoxx | Dunno about the legalities :) |
| 14:27.54 | lardman | My Nokia phone lets me turn the sound off anyway |
| 14:28.08 | glass | on phones it depends on which firmware it's with |
| 14:28.17 | GreyFoxx | I have acoworker who continues to come into my cube and muck around in my desk, taking things and later denying it :) |
| 14:28.19 | glass | on some locales fw's the sound can't be turned off |
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| 14:32.30 | _al_ | hello, what is the best terminal for n810 supporting utf8? |
| 14:33.25 | X-Fade | zap: ping |
| 14:34.09 | zap | yes? |
| 14:34.33 | X-Fade | zap: We really need to fix this bzip thing ;) |
| 14:34.47 | X-Fade | zap: We both want different things, I think ;) |
| 14:34.52 | lardman | GreyFoxx: claymore |
| 14:35.00 | zap | X-Fade: I would like to see the repository properly reindexing |
| 14:35.12 | zap | it still contains the stone-old version in Packages |
| 14:35.14 | X-Fade | zap: Why did you want to upgrade bzip in the first place btw? |
| 14:35.22 | lcuk | greyfoxx, set a beartrap for the tealeaf |
| 14:35.34 | zap | my bzip package contains MIME types and icons for bzip archives |
| 14:35.41 | mikkov_ | X-Fade: bzip2 worked with abuse packages... |
| 14:35.47 | X-Fade | zap: Ah, ok.. |
| 14:35.53 | lcuk | lol lardman you might get friendly targets with yours |
| 14:35.53 | GreyFoxx | lcuk: This is meant to be part of that trap :) |
| 14:36.02 | X-Fade | mikkov_: Not now: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/qt4-x11_4.4.0-2maemo0/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt |
| 14:36.08 | zap | X-Fade: could you look at the reindexing problem, I would fix bzip2 quickly then |
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| 14:36.17 | zap | X-Fade: I must run home now, sorry :-( |
| 14:36.18 | X-Fade | No theme index file in '/usr/share/icons/hicolor'. |
| 14:36.18 | X-Fade | If you really want to create an icon cache here, use --ignore-theme-index. |
| 14:36.18 | X-Fade | dpkg: error processing bzip2 (--configure): |
| 14:36.28 | mikkov_ | X-Fade: yes, that's why I am wondering ;) |
| 14:36.43 | zap | X-Fade: how you got latest bzip from repository> |
| 14:36.44 | zap | ? |
| 14:37.00 | zap | the repo index still lists the old version (two versions ago) |
| 14:37.03 | X-Fade | zap: Setting up bzip2 (1.0.4-2maemo4) ... |
| 14:37.53 | lcuk | suffers from information overload |
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| 14:38.51 | zap | Source: bzip2 |
| 14:38.51 | zap | Version: 1.0.3-1 |
| 14:38.52 | mikkov_ | X-Fade: here https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/abuse-frabs_2.11-1/i386.root.log.OK.txt bzip2 (1.0.4-2maemo4) works |
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| 14:39.30 | zap | Version: 1.0.4-2maemo2 |
| 14:39.35 | zap | that's what I see in Packages\ |
| 14:39.50 | X-Fade | mikkov_: My guess is that it is because you have a gtk application? |
| 14:39.59 | X-Fade | mikkov_: Because the index is in gtk.. |
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| 14:40.06 | zap | aha, I found the latest version |
| 14:40.10 | zap | it's there now |
| 14:40.16 | t_s_o | hmm, all kinds of new updates show up, now its the map app thats getting a version bump... |
| 14:40.17 | X-Fade | zap: it looks fine to me. |
| 14:40.22 | zap | yes, now it is |
| 14:40.24 | X-Fade | zap: I also checked unzip. |
| 14:40.30 | zap | yes, I checked too |
| 14:40.34 | zap | did you do anything to it? |
| 14:40.36 | mikkov_ | X-Fade: abuse-frabs contains only data files |
| 14:40.42 | t_s_o | heh, needs to clean up some space if i am to install that one :P |
| 14:41.10 | zap | X-Fade: I will fix bzip2 in ~1.5 hours, ok? Have to come home first |
| 14:41.17 | X-Fade | mikkov_: I really don't get it ;) |
| 14:41.22 | X-Fade | zap: Sure, no problem. |
| 14:41.42 | zap | I realized that I need the -t option for gtk-update-icon-cache, since a clean scratchbox doesn't have any icon caches |
| 14:42.22 | zap | X-Fade: do I need to increase version number even after minor changes to a package? |
| 14:42.27 | X-Fade | zap: Ah :) |
| 14:42.38 | X-Fade | zap: Yes. Change the package revision number. |
| 14:42.45 | X-Fade | That is what it is meant for. |
| 14:43.13 | zap | but it's still a mistery why Packages isn't always updated |
| 14:43.27 | zap | maybe because of no free disk space sometimes... |
| 14:43.30 | X-Fade | zap: I made some changes on thursday or friday. |
| 14:43.47 | X-Fade | zap: That problem has been solved this afternoon. (30 GB extra now) |
| 14:43.56 | zap | ok |
| 14:44.06 | GAN800 | Somebody want to explain to Tim on the list that the gradient logo looks like web 2.0 shit. :P |
| 14:44.31 | zap | Dunno what you did on thursday and friday, but I made a lot of uploads on saturday and sunday and they never got into Packages |
| 14:44.37 | X-Fade | GAN800: ME-LIKEzzZZ! |
| 14:44.40 | GAN800 | Anybody else not get reply text in Modest when replying to emails with image attachments? |
| 14:44.53 | X-Fade | zap: Did you update the version numbers? |
| 14:44.54 | aquatix | GAN800: where? what? |
| 14:45.09 | zap | X-Fade: yes, I started updating them on every upload about friday |
| 14:45.15 | aquatix | ah, logo |
| 14:45.32 | zap | okay, we'll see how it works this time |
| 14:45.33 | X-Fade | zap: I see your latest unzip in there.. |
| 14:45.43 | X-Fade | zap: Ok. I'll keep an eye on it. |
| 14:45.43 | zap | yes, it is now but it wasn't this night |
| 14:45.48 | zap | ok, bbl |
| 14:45.50 | X-Fade | zap: Let's try to time it ;) |
| 14:47.11 | t_s_o | cute, now im left with a broken install of map that cant be uninstalled. or at least not by app manager... |
| 14:47.30 | aquatix | t_s_o: apt-get remove? |
| 14:47.39 | t_s_o | planing to, yes |
| 14:47.40 | aquatix | maybe with -f |
| 14:47.50 | aquatix | loves nuking packages |
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| 14:49.25 | t_s_o | heh, apt say i should reinstall before i remove ;) |
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| 15:06.44 | t_s_o | bah, i should have cleaned out the user manual dir a long time ago... |
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| 15:10.14 | t_s_o | err, if the apt-get readout is correct, the map install pulled in a lot of tinymail related packages?! |
| 15:10.48 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody want to stick an announcement about the upgrade on maemo.org? |
| 15:10.51 | t_s_o | oh wait, it was a case of setting up, not installing. still, weird... |
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| 15:11.27 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, Planet's dead. :( |
| 15:11.49 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Shift reload? |
| 15:12.17 | GeneralAntilles | "The following error was encountered: Unable to forward this request at this time." |
| 15:12.31 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Ah, yes WIP. |
| 15:13.15 | GeneralAntilles | There it goes |
| 15:13.50 | X-Fade | *.maemo.org now goes to maemo.org, instead of the repository. |
| 15:14.14 | X-Fade | So a few changes were needed. |
| 15:15.13 | GeneralAntilles | wades into wikipedia to update the Maemo pages. |
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| 15:31.29 | Cptnodegard | does anyone know if you can set bluetooth keyboard language by means of soome fancy command line and not the menu? |
| 15:34.51 | qwerty12 | Cptnodegard: look into hildon-im-xkbtool |
| 15:35.01 | qwerty12 | Cptnodegard: run hildon-im-xkbtool --list as root and tell me what it says |
| 15:38.56 | Cptnodegard | is that somethig i have to install? |
| 15:39.19 | qwerty12 | Cptnodegard: comes with the os. I believe the control panel applet uses that to set layout |
| 15:39.35 | qwerty12 | if you can, plug in the keyboard and run hildon-im-xkbtool --list pleae |
| 15:39.38 | qwerty12 | *please |
| 15:39.39 | Cptnodegard | so what do i put in terminal? |
| 15:39.47 | qwerty12 | hildon-im-xkbtool --list - as root |
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| 15:40.02 | Cptnodegard | i dont rememebr hwo to do anythign as root, only done it once |
| 15:40.48 | qwerty12 | Hmm, does running sudo gainroot in a terminal work? |
| 15:41.31 | GeneralAntilles | Cptnodegard fails at xterm. |
| 15:41.35 | Cptnodegard | i have rootsh instaleld not...the other one, if that helps |
| 15:41.40 | Cptnodegard | of cours ei do :) |
| 15:41.50 | Cptnodegard | i hack hardware not software |
| 15:42.10 | qwerty12 | Cptnodegard: sudo gainroot should work then |
| 15:42.36 | qwerty12 | Gnome integration with ssh is nice :> |
| 15:44.18 | Cptnodegard | rebooted tht hign because usb kb wouldnt work |
| 15:44.20 | Cptnodegard | hang on |
| 15:45.06 | Cptnodegard | the prob im having is that though the bt kb settigns are set to norwegian, sometimes i get english layout when mounting. thought id just add a shortcut to the desktop woith personal-launch to set it to norwegian as it works just going into the control panel and clicking ok |
| 15:46.05 | qwerty12 | It may just be easier to install an script to do it (if the command line way works) in /etc/rc2 and set it up properly |
| 15:46.42 | Cptnodegard | i dont know how to use terminal, im not even gonna try doing that :p |
| 15:46.53 | qwerty12 | lol |
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| 15:48.33 | Cptn-N800 | /home/user # hildon-im-xkbtool --list |
| 15:48.34 | Cptn-N800 | ID 0, Name: "Virtual core keyboard" |
| 15:48.34 | Cptn-N800 | ID 1, Name: "Virtual core pointer" |
| 15:48.34 | Cptn-N800 | ID 2, Name: "TSC2301 touchscreen" |
| 15:48.34 | Cptn-N800 | ID 3, Name: "Internal keypad" |
| 15:48.34 | Cptn-N800 | ID 4, Name: "NOVATEK USB Keyboard" |
| 15:48.36 | Cptn-N800 | ID 5, Name: "NOVATEK USB Keyboard" |
| 15:48.38 | Cptn-N800 | /home/user # |
| 15:50.10 | qwerty12 | Cptn-N800: does "hildon-im-xkbtool --layout=no --id=4" work? |
| 15:50.26 | qwerty12 | (well, I assume no = norwegian) |
| 15:51.59 | Cptnodegard | "please specify both layout and model |
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| 15:53.30 | qwerty12 | Cptnodegard, Cptn-N800: Run hildon-im-xkbtool -g |
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| 15:55.05 | Cptnodegard | wooo :D |
| 15:55.11 | Cptnodegard | gopt model and put in --model=pc105 |
| 15:55.27 | Cptnodegard | but can i run this from personal-launch since it needs root? |
| 15:55.37 | EY | Hello. What is the latest version of OS for the N800? |
| 15:56.21 | qwerty12 | Cptnodegard: put this command line into personal-launcher: rootsh hildon-im-xkbtool --layout=no --model=pc105 --id=4 |
| 15:58.14 | Cptnodegard | dont need the id |
| 15:58.15 | Cptnodegard | at least i didnt use it |
| 15:59.06 | Cptnodegard | run in terminal? |
| 15:59.09 | qwerty12 | nah |
| 15:59.17 | qwerty12 | goes back to my vnc and ssh session :) |
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| 15:59.35 | Cptnodegard | lol thanks for the help :D |
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| 15:59.47 | qwerty12 | np :) |
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| 16:04.50 | Cptnodegard | qwerty12, i get "execution failed" in personal launch and when runnig in root it says rootsh not found |
| 16:05.42 | qwerty12 | Cptnodegard: Not sure. I know rootsh has been used by people in personal launcher fine :/ |
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| 16:06.11 | Cptnodegard | nvm, it seems its case sensitive :3 |
| 16:06.13 | Cptnodegard | sorry |
| 16:07.00 | Cptnodegard | all working perfectly, thank you. now with my modded miniUSB keyboard and a button each for norwegian layout and getting on screen kb back, im all aset :D |
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| 16:09.46 | pupnik | oh sorry, they're having problems with the stream |
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| 16:14.25 | Cptnodegard | for anyone who may or may not care |
| 16:14.28 | Cptnodegard | http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/IMG_2018.jpg |
| 16:14.30 | Cptnodegard | :) |
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| 16:14.59 | qwerty12 | I'm sorry, I don't speak Norwegian, FAIL :P |
| 16:15.04 | Cptnodegard | nothign special other than that i cut the original USB and put a auto-hiost mode miniUSB on there |
| 16:15.14 | Cptnodegard | hiost = host |
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| 16:17.26 | qwerty12 | zap: do your compression packages replace the busybox ones? |
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| 16:18.36 | Khertan_n810 | Hi ! |
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| 16:20.11 | crashanddie | Talk about VPN mess: I have an SSH connection which tunnels my HTTP traffic through to France, on my server, which coincidently pumps the HTTP traffic through the neighbours network... |
| 16:20.13 | zap | qwerty12: yes, but they do it correctly (via update-alternatives) |
| 16:20.30 | qwerty12 | zap: brilliant, thank you. Saves me from symlinking :) |
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| 16:21.13 | zap | gnuzip and gnutar packages |
| 16:21.33 | zap | I had to rename them because the busybox package conflicts with 'tar' and 'gzip' |
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| 16:22.27 | crashanddie | "Previously, they only have been able to cloak very thin two-dimensional objects" |
| 16:22.33 | crashanddie | Very thin 2D objects... |
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| 16:23.29 | johnx | just learned not to apt-get upgrade on the tablet in an un-screened ssh session... |
| 16:23.40 | Khertan_n810 | i can t scp to autobuilder queue ... does it down ? |
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| 16:23.48 | crashanddie | does it down ? |
| 16:23.51 | crashanddie | tttt |
| 16:24.04 | crashanddie | try again, I'm sure you can do better K |
| 16:24.11 | qwerty12 | johnx: icd get you? |
| 16:24.19 | johnx | qwerty12, yup |
| 16:24.23 | qwerty12 | :( |
| 16:24.24 | sjgadsby | qwery12: Clear some space in your mailbox on itT, please. I'm trying to send you something I think will interest you. |
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| 16:24.43 | Khertan_n810 | crashanddie ... i m writing while walking in the street |
| 16:24.51 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 16:24.54 | qwerty12 | sjgadsby: Done, thank you. |
| 16:25.25 | sjgadsby | qwerty12: Thanks! |
| 16:25.35 | Khertan_n810 | hum ... works now |
| 16:26.35 | Guest18754 | So I am building a robotic platform that is going to have all sorts of sensors, temp, humidity, barometric, GPS etc. And I was thinking of throwing a bluetooth modem on it and using my n770 as a display for the relevant data. I would basically send strings of info serially over the bluetooth to my n770, but I am not sure how to actually establish a connection and capture those strings from the 770 side |
| 16:26.50 | johnx | qwerty12, actually my timeout was long enough that it succeeded in the background :D |
| 16:27.03 | qwerty12 | sjgadsby: Reading now, interesting :) |
| 16:27.09 | qwerty12 | johnx: Hehe, that's good to hear :) |
| 16:28.22 | Guest18754 | so any ideas on how to grab strings off of the tablets bluetooth? |
| 16:30.25 | Khertan_n810 | someone can give me the link to the osso alarmd doc ? |
| 16:30.27 | Khertan_n810 | thx |
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| 16:31.40 | pgquiles_ | has anyone tried to build Boost on maemo? |
| 16:31.59 | Khertan_n810 | what is it ? |
| 16:34.06 | pgquiles_ | Khertan_n810: http://boost.org |
| 16:34.47 | qwerty12 | sjgadsby: interesting, I've got the romfs file mounted on my computer. I'll have a dig around :) |
| 16:35.13 | sjgadsby | qwerty12: Thanks. I hope I'm not making too much of this. It just looks very cool to me. |
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| 16:36.18 | Khertan_n810 | great no doc for python osso.alarmd ... |
| 16:37.48 | Khertan_n810 | how do u launch an app with alarmd ? |
| 16:38.04 | qwerty12 | sjgadsby: No problem. No, this seems interesting. Looking at /etc/init.d/microcross-banner, it mentions "GX-Linux(tm) - Standard and Professional Platforms". A google tells me they make linux embedded board solutions. |
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| 16:39.41 | sjgadsby | qwerty12: I noticed that, but haven't had a chance to investigate if that detail leads anywhere interesting. |
| 16:41.23 | qwerty12 | sjgadsby: Cool. Are you able to browse the file system on the device? |
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| 16:42.30 | Binky | bef0rd, still interested in being my savior? |
| 16:42.53 | bef0rd | hey Binky |
| 16:43.04 | Binky | Hi... lol |
| 16:43.22 | sjgadsby | qwerty12: I spent some time trying to get USB serial to it working, but I'm doing something wrong. That's why I'd like some better brains working on this. I see cool possibilities, but I think it'll take me too long to make any progress toward them. |
| 16:43.35 | sjgadsby | Off to lunch for now. |
| 16:44.15 | bef0rd | Binky, still trying to fix your status file? heh |
| 16:44.49 | Binky | That is gone, happily |
| 16:45.03 | aquatix | reflashes |
| 16:45.14 | aquatix | yay, boots |
| 16:45.16 | aquatix | it's ALIVE |
| 16:45.34 | bef0rd | oh, cool |
| 16:46.24 | Binky | aquatix, what happened? |
| 16:46.32 | Binky | bef0rd, http://pastebin.com/mdecb0d3 |
| 16:46.49 | Binky | It all broke when pyano install borked |
| 16:47.04 | aquatix | Binky: i updates os2008 today |
| 16:47.07 | qwerty12 | sjgadsby: Enjoy. Looking in their buildpin.ex program, I found some references. Those seem to be the toolchains they use. Plus there is also an GNU string in the file, so you can use that to strengthen your GPL argument. http://pastebin.com/m1cb227a8 |
| 16:47.17 | aquatix | it rebooted and got stuck on the Nokia logo without progress bar |
| 16:47.20 | aquatix | then shut off |
| 16:47.28 | Binky | Omg |
| 16:47.49 | Binky | I'd like to reflash |
| 16:47.59 | aquatix | restoring backup... |
| 16:48.00 | Binky | All my770 is messed up |
| 16:49.14 | aquatix | after restore i'm going to update again |
| 16:49.14 | aquatix | wonder if that goes well |
| 16:49.14 | bef0rd | Binky, :/ that looks weird |
| 16:49.14 | Binky | It does |
| 16:49.14 | bef0rd | Binky, are you getting out of space on /? |
| 16:49.15 | aquatix | anyone else that did the OS2008 update (unlocked) trough appman? |
| 16:49.57 | qwerty12 | RST38h: Why is vgb so picky? :P. "Loading /media/mmc2/Cokemon.gb...CHECKSUM WRONG". It's an hackzored rom but gnuboy loaded it up fine :) |
| 16:50.40 | aquatix | if i restored application list, is it going to redownload all apps? |
| 16:50.55 | Binky | bef0rd, YESSS!! i want to copy os to my mmc, but the 2 gb card is not working |
| 16:51.17 | Binky | aquatix, i don't think so, but maybe |
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| 16:51.21 | aquatix | ah, apparently not |
| 16:51.22 | aquatix | good |
| 16:51.25 | arachnist | hi |
| 16:51.33 | aquatix | ah, it gives a checklist |
| 16:51.35 | Binky | Hi |
| 16:51.39 | aquatix | hey arachnist |
| 16:51.54 | bef0rd | Binky, that could explain why you are getting so many errors when installing stuff |
| 16:53.13 | Binky | It actually does, but it won't let me uninstall them |
| 16:53.35 | arachnist | is there a way to mount the internal nokia n800 filesystem (not memorycard)? i need to change one line in /etc/init.d/rc\ |
| 16:53.35 | Binky | Hmmm. Expired coke is even better |
| 16:53.57 | arachnist | s/.$// |
| 16:54.11 | crashanddie | arachnist, ? |
| 16:54.13 | qwerty12 | arachnist: do you have fanoush's initfs installed or an mmc boot set up? |
| 16:54.18 | crashanddie | arachnist, just access /etc/init.d ? |
| 16:54.32 | Binky | My mother works in a fruit shop. When drinks expire, she takes them home. Tasty... |
| 16:54.33 | arachnist | qwerty12: no, just diablo |
| 16:54.40 | qwerty12 | arachnist: does your N800 boot? |
| 16:54.54 | arachnist | qwerty12: that's the problem |
| 16:55.01 | arachnist | qwerty12: i changed one line, and it doesn't |
| 16:55.20 | qwerty12 | arachnist: to get access you at least need fanoush's initfs installed which you can then usbnet and ssh in or an mmc boot set up |
| 16:55.58 | bef0rd | lol Binky... |
| 16:56.38 | arachnist | qwerty12: so the only thing i can do, is flash it? |
| 16:56.48 | qwerty12 | arachnist: yep :( |
| 16:57.10 | qwerty12 | If you had either one of them, you could have easily mounted the rootfs |
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| 17:01.02 | aquatix | hm |
| 17:01.34 | aquatix | the update can't be done because it can't install initfs-flasher, kernel-diablo-flasher, flash-and-reboot |
| 17:01.54 | aquatix | i had fixed that a while ago, but maybe that messed up my update of today |
| 17:02.30 | aquatix | anyone ideas on how to install/update/fix those packages so i can successfully update? :) |
| 17:02.53 | egypt | just use the old flasher utility instead |
| 17:03.43 | aquatix | erm |
| 17:03.47 | aquatix | i updated to diablo |
| 17:03.51 | aquatix | with flasher-3 |
| 17:04.04 | qwerty12 | aquatix: grab rootsh from extras (or zap's sudser) and run apt-get -f install | sudo gainroot |
| 17:04.05 | aquatix | and now it gives these 3 unupgradable packages |
| 17:05.20 | pH5 | hi, is somebody familiar with the inner workings of mce? |
| 17:05.27 | pH5 | I can't figure out under which conditions it decides to increase the led_current setting in /sys/bus/i2c/devices/0-0032/led_current above 0. |
| 17:05.32 | pH5 | I'm trying to mix a yellow colour for a LED pattern, but that's impossible at those low currents. |
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| 17:09.00 | aquatix | qwerty12: hm, it says root shell enabled, but apt-get gets access denied |
| 17:09.25 | aquatix | installed rootsh |
| 17:09.27 | qwerty12 | aquatix: close the application manager and killall apt-worker and run that command again |
| 17:09.34 | aquatix | oh duh |
| 17:09.38 | aquatix | *facepalm* |
| 17:10.08 | aquatix | hm |
| 17:10.15 | aquatix | odd, still doesn't work |
| 17:10.32 | johnx | pastebin the exact error? |
| 17:10.58 | qwerty12 | aquatix: try in this order. sudo gainroot, killall hildon-application-manager, killall apt-worker, apt-get -f install |
| 17:11.56 | aquatix | meh, why do you pipe those two commands? |
| 17:12.04 | aquatix | just sudo gainroot, then apt-get is enough |
| 17:12.21 | aquatix | it does nothing though |
| 17:12.33 | aquatix | none upgraded, installed or removed, but 63 not upgraded |
| 17:13.59 | qwerty12 | Try upgrading again then in application manager |
| 17:16.45 | aquatix | qwerty12: just OS2008 Feaure upgrade? |
| 17:16.51 | aquatix | hm, where's the (unlocked) |
| 17:16.54 | qwerty12 | aquatix: yep |
| 17:17.05 | qwerty12 | aquatix: you only get unlocked if you install unlocked manuall |
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| 17:17.10 | aquatix | kk |
| 17:17.31 | qwerty12 | *manually |
| 17:17.36 | aquatix | downloading now... |
| 17:17.38 | aquatix | looks good |
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| 17:19.07 | Guest18754 | Anyone know where I can get the maemo SDK? The maemo.org site just has a bunch of broken links |
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| 17:20.24 | aquatix | and... reboot \o/ |
| 17:20.56 | aquatix | looks like i broke something last time getting those packages installed with apt-get or something |
| 17:21.00 | aquatix | anyways, dinner |
| 17:21.05 | aquatix | qwerty12: thanks for the help :) |
| 17:21.35 | qwerty12 | aquatix: no problem :). glad this ssu worked. When I was using the diablo "betas", the same thing happened to me once. |
| 17:28.10 | Guest18754 | so it seems there is a nice low level bluetooth API I can use. Now I am installing scratchbox etc |
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| 17:31.55 | jott | pH5: afaik the led current is controlled by the ambient light sensor |
| 17:32.45 | pH5 | jott: thanks, qwerty12 just pointed me to the mce sources. so I'm perfectly happy now :) |
| 17:32.55 | jott | ;) |
| 17:34.44 | Stskeeps|mirc | is it just me or is maemo.org completely hosed right now? |
| 17:35.06 | Stskeeps|mirc | (as in main page) |
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| 17:37.54 | Blastur | Stskeeps|mirc: works fine here |
| 17:38.12 | Stskeeps|mirc | odd |
| 17:38.26 | Stskeeps|mirc | i'm getting squid errors or the likes from it |
| 17:38.39 | Stskeeps|mirc | oh, there it is |
| 17:38.54 | Khertan_n810 | re |
| 17:39.04 | Binky | re? |
| 17:39.14 | Khertan_n810 | aquatix > i did the update with application manager |
| 17:41.04 | Khertan_n810 | binky > french shortcut to say : hi again .. |
| 17:41.06 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 17:41.35 | Khertan_n810 | hum literraly ... : 'i'm back' |
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| 17:44.23 | Guest18754 | Stskeeps|mirc, it is not just you they appear to be doing some site maintenance as there are several links that are broken and fixed 5 minutes later only to be broken again |
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| 17:55.03 | RST38h | Motorola clones iPhone! http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/08/11/motorola-alexanders-non-qwerty-counterpart-atila/ |
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| 17:56.02 | johnx | so anything without a physical keypad is automatically an "iphone clone"? |
| 17:56.06 | qwerty12_N800 | wouldn't buy an iphone or a motorola |
| 17:56.19 | RST38h | Anything that looks like an iphone is an iphone clone |
| 17:56.29 | RST38h | wouldn't buy anything that runs WinMobile |
| 17:56.45 | johnx | It resembles an iphone, kinda |
| 17:56.52 | RST38h | Maemo, Symbian, Solaris, anything but WinMobile |
| 17:57.17 | RST38h | johnx: yep, thoroughfully smashed at the corners =) |
| 17:57.26 | qwerty12_N800 | likes Symbian (s60) and winmobile |
| 17:57.36 | johnx | RST38h, and it has more buttons |
| 17:57.43 | RST38h | Symbian is ok (both UIQ and S60) |
| 17:57.54 | johnx | qwerty12_N800, I'd take iphone OS over WinMo anyday... |
| 17:57.57 | RST38h | But WinMobile and other WinCE derivatives are just pure horror |
| 17:58.56 | johnx | winmo is pain. I used to support them in another life |
| 17:59.23 | johnx | I'd actually take a dumb-phone over winmo I think... |
| 17:59.27 | qwerty12_N800 | johnx: heh, you don't by any chance have a phone with symbian foma? |
| 18:00.05 | johnx | qwerty12_N800, I actually have a basic sony-ericson non-smartphone |
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| 18:00.31 | johnx | heh...I'm not even sure what it's running |
| 18:00.45 | qwerty12_N800 | johnx: ah. i hear the sony ericsson w42s (something like that) is fun :D |
| 18:00.57 | johnx | w42s? |
| 18:01.03 | johnx | I have a w51s IIRC |
| 18:01.30 | qwerty12_N800 | goes on esato to dig up the page |
| 18:02.00 | RST38h | Heh, looks like Russians decided to take Tbilisi |
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| 18:02.42 | qwerty12_N800 | johnx: aha, SO905iCS is the one i'm thinking of |
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| 18:02.59 | johnx | qwerty12_N800, on NTT? |
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| 18:03.10 | qwerty12_N800 | johnx: yep |
| 18:03.18 | johnx | I'm on AU-KDDI |
| 18:03.28 | qwerty12_N800 | ah |
| 18:03.32 | johnx | ...and also not in the market for a new phone |
| 18:03.33 | andrewfblack | Hey |
| 18:03.35 | johnx | is boring :) |
| 18:03.39 | RST38h | Cern performs a preliminary LHC test on Aug 8th - and *look* what happens |
| 18:03.54 | qwerty12_N800 | "It features a BRAVIA Screen, utilising the same RealityMAX engine found in Sony's TV's, a 5.1 MegaPixel Camera, with an EXMOR sensor, the same technology found in Sony's latest and greatest 'α700' DSLR! The camera features 'Smile shutter' which will only take a photo when the subject smiles, and has face recognition - add to that a 16.7 Million colour Screen! " |
| 18:03.58 | RST38h | Just imagine what will happen when they actually start this thing |
| 18:04.01 | qwerty12_N800 | hey andrewfblack |
| 18:04.05 | johnx | RST38h, Russia: "The sub-atomic particles made us do it!" |
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| 18:04.34 | RST38h | johnx: Being here, I am more of a believer into a black hole suddenly appearing in Saakashvili's butt |
| 18:04.50 | johnx | qwerty12_N800, yeah, they have some pretty weird feature selections on Japanese phones O_o |
| 18:05.03 | johnx | qwerty12_N800, the latest trend this summer was waterproofing |
| 18:05.15 | aquatix | hm, for collabora haze, do i need anything more than telepathy-haze and libpurple? |
| 18:05.25 | aquatix | somehow, the other IM networks don't show up |
| 18:05.34 | qwerty12_N800 | johnx: lol, but that bravia screen... |
| 18:05.35 | RST38h | DO NOT update libpurple |
| 18:05.39 | qwerty12_N800 | drools |
| 18:05.43 | RST38h | it is not required |
| 18:05.51 | aquatix | RST38h: i installed it |
| 18:05.59 | RST38h | and it looks like Collabora's version of Pidgin has grown by about 15MB |
| 18:06.06 | aquatix | with telepathy-haze |
| 18:06.15 | aquatix | i didn't install pidgin btw |
| 18:06.30 | johnx | qwerty12_N800, yeah, that is a pretty crazy pixel density O_o |
| 18:06.40 | RST38h | yes, but libpurple is like half of pidgin |
| 18:06.59 | aquatix | i know |
| 18:06.59 | qwerty12_N800 | so has to go Tokyo and bring back the latest + best sony ericsson and an hypersim |
| 18:07.12 | RST38h | qwerty: and learn kana? =) |
| 18:07.21 | aquatix | RST38h: but libpurple is `only' 2.45MB |
| 18:07.27 | johnx | RST38h, most phones have a half-assed english translation included |
| 18:07.31 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: if needs must :D |
| 18:07.32 | aquatix | [v2.4.3-1collabora1] |
| 18:07.34 | RST38h | aquatix: this sounds safe |
| 18:07.37 | johnx | qwerty12_N800, make sure it's actually GSM quad-band...lot's of weird networks in Japan... |
| 18:07.46 | RST38h | I think the package I have seen was like 7+MB |
| 18:07.51 | aquatix | but only jabber accounts show up |
| 18:07.58 | aquatix | not the msn etc ones i had before |
| 18:08.04 | aquatix | and i can't add them |
| 18:08.11 | aquatix | so i wonder what i'm missing |
| 18:08.37 | qwerty12_N800 | johnx: yeah, i'm pretty sure NTT use umts so the networks here would work (with an hypersim) |
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| 18:10.02 | johnx | qwerty12_N800, just remember that umts/hspda is actually separate from gsm |
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| 18:10.10 | johnx | one doesn't necessarily mean the other |
| 18:10.33 | johnx | and also there are like a billion frequences of umts in the world |
| 18:10.38 | johnx | or at least 3 |
| 18:10.52 | qwerty12_N800 | johnx: i know but all uk networks support the 2100 band here. afaik, Ntt uses 2100 :) |
| 18:11.18 | johnx | qwerty12_N800, does all of the UK actually have umts coverage? |
| 18:11.25 | johnx | or is it just in the cities? |
| 18:12.15 | qwerty12_N800 | johnx: i'm pretty sure most of it has coverage. it's actually standard on networks as gsm |
| 18:13.04 | aquatix | and otherwise there's always the super-speedy gprs to fall back on |
| 18:13.06 | aquatix | ;) |
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| 18:13.59 | johnx | ...wonder if wikipedia needs to be updated, cause it's saying ntt is still on PDC for 2G and W-CDMA in the 1945-1960MHz band |
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| 18:14.59 | johnx | ah, I get it. all their phones are dual-mode 2G |
| 18:15.04 | johnx | craziness O_o |
| 18:15.55 | qwerty12_N800 | has a cousin there, should get him to send me a phone |
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| 18:19.25 | aquatix | ah, i'm missing account-plugin-haze |
| 18:19.26 | aquatix | d'oh |
| 18:19.34 | aquatix | why doesn't that show up in appmgr :/ |
| 18:20.29 | lcuk | haze plugins are quite effective. we have one in the bathroom |
| 18:20.59 | aquatix | heh, yeah |
| 18:21.11 | johnx | really? it's called haze? |
| 18:21.12 | aquatix | never forget your towel ;) |
| 18:21.24 | aquatix | johnx: haze is the magic that ties it together |
| 18:21.26 | johnx | I picture kind of a terrifying smog in lcuk's bathroom... |
| 18:21.28 | arachnist | http://www.worthalaugh.com/2008/08/10/call-of-duty-womens-edition/ |
| 18:21.30 | aquatix | telepathy-haze |
| 18:21.31 | qwerty12_N800 | thought the northern sky was like haze |
| 18:21.35 | aquatix | johnx: ah, heheh |
| 18:22.04 | lcuk | johnx, its not smog, but at certain times you need a gasmask |
| 18:22.47 | johnx | O_o |
| 18:22.49 | johnx | skeery |
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| 18:30.18 | aquatix | lcuk: tmi ;) |
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| 18:30.38 | lcuk | and i suppose your bathroom smells of roses :P |
| 18:31.25 | aquatix | depends on the time of year i guess |
| 18:31.35 | nemo | actually. yeah |
| 18:31.35 | lcuk | lol |
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| 18:31.50 | nemo | roses or some kinda floral thing. she's always putting scented things in there |
| 18:31.59 | qwerty12_N800 | one smells like weed |
| 18:32.01 | aquatix | nemo: it's a hint ;) |
| 18:32.12 | lcuk | thats how this convo started nemo lol |
| 18:32.14 | nemo | aquatix: heh. every room of house has one :-p |
| 18:32.15 | aquatix | qwerty12_N800: er, why? |
| 18:32.50 | qwerty12_N800 | aquatix: i'm joking, can't find any good suppliers :p |
| 18:32.56 | aquatix | lol |
| 18:33.16 | aquatix | is playing some Creep by Korn from their UNplugged concert |
| 18:33.31 | aquatix | quite a nice cover |
| 18:36.40 | Stskeeps|mirc | mm, radiohead live with that song too is epic as well |
| 18:36.51 | aquatix | true |
| 18:36.54 | aquatix | seen the animation |
| 18:36.55 | aquatix | ? |
| 18:37.04 | Stskeeps|mirc | actually not sure |
| 18:37.06 | aquatix | http://www.lowmorale.co.uk/creep/ |
| 18:37.09 | aquatix | too damn cool |
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| 18:41.40 | t_s_o | ugh, talk about sensitive updater... |
| 18:42.44 | t_s_o | i just hope my recent cleanup freed enough space... |
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| 18:47.10 | qwerty12_N800 | Does anyone know if i can dump /dev/mtd2 from a device to claim a flashable kernel image? |
| 18:48.29 | t_s_o | hrmf, thank god that i read the forum thread as now i have a reboot loop... |
| 18:48.38 | t_s_o | reflash from zero coming up i guess |
| 18:48.40 | RST38h | that isn't going to be the only kernel though |
| 18:48.45 | aquatix | is a happy camper |
| 18:48.52 | aquatix | tablet works fine |
| 18:49.30 | RST38h | which reminds me: have to update |
| 18:49.35 | t_s_o | all i see is the nokia logo, some flashes of the led and then it reboots again. damn thing is about as sensitive as a old nun! |
| 18:49.46 | aquatix | :) |
| 18:50.04 | RST38h | have you tried installing updates on old nuns? |
| 18:50.19 | t_s_o | no, i prefer a shotgun to the head... |
| 18:50.26 | Stskeeps|mirc | i've seen a nun with a huge icecream. that was funny :P |
| 18:50.39 | aquatix | Stskeeps|mirc: yeah, saw that movie too |
| 18:50.48 | aquatix | runs |
| 18:50.57 | t_s_o | i should have seen this coming when the update didnt want to show in app manager :S |
| 18:51.00 | nemo | say, if I screw up this N810 I'm thinking of picking up. is it possible to do external boot for recovery purposes? |
| 18:51.03 | nemo | like. off of USB cdrom? |
| 18:51.12 | t_s_o | nope |
| 18:51.29 | nemo | hum :-/ that's not so good. |
| 18:51.30 | Stskeeps|mirc | nemo: best shot is having bootmenu with usbnet recovery, and a linux box with flasher |
| 18:51.37 | summatusmentis | screw up to what point? If nothing else you can just flash it again... |
| 18:51.38 | Stskeeps|mirc | you can get darn far with that |
| 18:51.50 | RST38h | Preparing for installation. Please pray. |
| 18:51.56 | RST38h | prays earnestly |
| 18:52.04 | summatusmentis | RST38h: installation of what? |
| 18:52.14 | qwerty12_N800 | thank God linuxrc is same in the new initfs. i'll remod tommorow easily. |
| 18:52.16 | RST38h | summa: guess |
| 18:52.41 | t_s_o | yay for habits like putting stuff on the external card |
| 18:52.43 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: i'll cross my fingers |
| 18:52.43 | summatusmentis | Stskeeps|mirc: I have no idea... I haven't been following the conv. |
| 18:52.52 | summatusmentis | wow... not Stskeeps|mirc |
| 18:52.53 | nemo | Stskeeps|mirc: bootmenu - grub or the like? |
| 18:53.00 | summatusmentis | RST38h: see above. |
| 18:53.00 | aquatix | t_s_o: heh, i know that feeling |
| 18:53.01 | kulve | there's no pigdin for diablo? |
| 18:53.02 | nemo | Stskeeps|mirc: or bios boot? |
| 18:53.06 | RST38h | crosses qwerty's fingers |
| 18:53.14 | aquatix | kulve: there is; the collabora one at least |
| 18:53.24 | summatusmentis | RST38h: the software update thing? |
| 18:53.28 | RST38h | yep |
| 18:53.37 | summatusmentis | it was an wasy install |
| 18:53.42 | summatusmentis | mine worked fine |
| 18:53.44 | qwerty12_N800 | Ouch! I'm telling my mom now about what RST38h did. |
| 18:53.45 | summatusmentis | easy* |
| 18:53.50 | Stskeeps|mirc | nemo: this isn't x86 :) |
| 18:54.19 | Stskeeps|mirc | nemo: boot strap process goes through NOLO, then x-loader, that loads a linux kernel and runs a /sbin/init in a initfs in flash |
| 18:54.26 | zap | X-Fade: repository.maemo.org is an akami cluster? Machines in the cluster are unsynchronized... |
| 18:54.34 | Stskeeps|mirc | which then proceeds after a bit of fiddling, to start up OS2008 |
| 18:54.43 | zap | X-Fade: that's the cause of Packages being different for me and you |
| 18:55.10 | Stskeeps|mirc | nemo: normally it's possible to reflash all of it if it breaks down, or parts of it |
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| 18:55.47 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps|mirc: does x-loader actually do anything? it's stored in the same partition as Nolo which is just a binary blob |
| 18:56.09 | RST38h | qwerty: http://www.all-about-halloween.com/stephen-lynch-halloween.html |
| 18:56.10 | Stskeeps|mirc | qwerty12_N800: no clue.. i should use my law-gained right to reverse engineer it sometime |
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| 18:57.24 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: hehe, i wait until halloween |
| 18:57.31 | Stskeeps|mirc | qwerty12_N800: it's prolly second-third stage boot loader or something |
| 18:57.48 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps|mirc: reverse engineer nokias server :p |
| 18:57.49 | Stskeeps|mirc | strings on /dev/mtd0 was interesting, i recall.. or mtd1 |
| 18:58.50 | qwerty12_N800 | cat /proc/mtd is a nice way of seeing what's what |
| 18:59.12 | t_s_o | heh, one good thing, it does not take long for the flasher to finish :P |
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| 19:02.02 | melmoth | X-Fade: ping ? |
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| 19:10.30 | liri | ugh... liferea isn't in the repos |
| 19:12.40 | RST38h | What do I see? Do I see a *stable* Modest?!? |
| 19:12.44 | RST38h | No, it can't be |
| 19:13.15 | Stskeeps|mirc | they fixed the futexes? ;> |
| 19:13.29 | RST38h | It updates both mailboxes?!? |
| 19:13.43 | RST38h | Sts: Wait, let's keep qwerty's fingers crossed for a day or two |
| 19:14.03 | RST38h | If it does not crash and burn, then it is fixed |
| 19:16.18 | brontide | Do we have an updated highspeed/rotation kernel yet? |
| 19:16.29 | RST38h | Heh, looks like Apple shuts out any iPhone applications that try making use of vibration feature |
| 19:16.42 | RST38h | How come I know why? ;) |
| 19:16.52 | RST38h | brontide: Not yet, wait |
| 19:17.12 | brontide | rule of least surprise ( accoring to apple ) you might think you were getting a call |
| 19:17.44 | RST38h | Nope |
| 19:17.55 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: they don't want it to be marketed in red light district |
| 19:18.04 | brontide | So when you repeatedly crash headlong into a wall you might get confused *roleyeyes* |
| 19:18.11 | RST38h | Vibration mechanism is the only moving part in a phone. As result, when used often, it wears out and dies. |
| 19:18.37 | aquatix | and *gasp* we can't have broken iphones! |
| 19:18.43 | RST38h | [Also refer to Symbian/S60 vibration API - you will see how Nokia is trying to prevent the breakage] |
| 19:18.46 | Stskeeps|mirc | RST38h: i thought it was for VibratorApp |
| 19:18.51 | Stskeeps|mirc | for the women. |
| 19:19.01 | aquatix | Stskeeps|mirc: bit overpriced vibe |
| 19:19.03 | brontide | Either way I think all of this SDK/store/kill list stuff can only boost NIT's |
| 19:19.07 | RST38h | Sts: overpriced, yes |
| 19:19.26 | RST38h | NIT is a niche product, no competition to iPhone |
| 19:19.26 | Stskeeps|mirc | hey, people bought that "I'm Rich" thing :P |
| 19:19.59 | RST38h | Sts: Not "people". Apple cultists |
| 19:20.00 | brontide | Yeah, the iBod is only $70 http://www.ohmibod.com/indexJump.html |
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| 19:20.12 | RST38h | Sts: Those are hardly sentioent human beings |
| 19:21.19 | Stskeeps|mirc | what other commercial apps exist for Maemo other than for instance GarnetVM? |
| 19:21.26 | Stskeeps|mirc | if it's even commercial |
| 19:21.34 | brontide | Navigation add-on |
| 19:21.36 | RST38h | Maps! |
| 19:21.42 | Stskeeps|mirc | ah |
| 19:21.42 | dougt | anyone know why microb uses -fno-unit-at-a-time? |
| 19:21.50 | brontide | Skype, gizmo ( commercial, but free apps ) |
| 19:22.05 | Stskeeps|mirc | well i meant as expensive as in beer |
| 19:22.05 | Stskeeps|mirc | :P |
| 19:22.06 | brontide | Fring |
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| 19:33.34 | qwerty12_N800 | X-Fade: any idea when kernel-source-diablo 2.6.21-200823maemo6.tar.gz will be updated to 2.6.21-200829maemo? |
| 19:35.34 | disq | qwerty12_N800: hey, do you have any idea about if we could mod the headset detector to work for other nokia headset button music control thingies? it's not in retu-headset.c or in that dir |
| 19:36.34 | qwerty12_N800 | disq: no idea, sorry |
| 19:36.45 | disq | i have an ad-44 controller which has 7 buttons, a hold switch and a 3.5mm 4-pin jack |
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| 19:45.45 | RST38h | what is pidgin-data? Anyone knows? |
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| 19:48.50 | brontide | RST38h: "This package contains architecture-independent supporting data files required for use with pidgin, such as documentation, icons, translations, and sounds." |
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| 19:50.19 | RST38h | Why is the new version so large though? |
| 19:50.32 | RST38h | It takes 15+MB of disk space |
| 19:50.38 | brontide | dunno, I don't use pidgin |
| 19:51.17 | Stskeeps|mirc | RST38h: it includes full text-to-speech for finnish users prolly |
| 19:51.18 | Stskeeps|mirc | :P |
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| 19:54.08 | RST38h | umgh |
| 19:56.10 | bef0rd | ;_; |
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| 20:25.31 | Guest18754 | anyone around, I am messing around with scratchbox and the maemo SDK and could use some help |
| 20:25.38 | Guest18754 | ? |
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| 20:31.52 | andre___ | Guest18754, don't ask to ask, just ask and be patient. this is irc :) |
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| 20:33.29 | remex | Hello |
| 20:34.05 | andre___ | hej hej. |
| 20:34.43 | bef0rd | this is the internet! |
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| 20:42.44 | steri | I thought at this is SPARTAAA! |
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| 20:43.19 | GeneralAntilles | andre___, what's the internal ticket about for that dependency bug? |
| 20:45.21 | GeneralAntilles | Assuming it's actually about the dependencies rather than needing to push an SSU update, then the only way it could be "fixed" is by shipping a FIASCO image that either includes those packages or has an osso-software-version that doesn't depend on them. |
| 20:48.02 | andre___ | GeneralAntilles, it's just a copy of your report ;-) |
| 20:48.07 | andre___ | that's how it currently works :-/ |
| 20:51.05 | eichi | what does the 2008* package update changelog is? |
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| 20:51.56 | andre___ | eichi: how do you mean? |
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| 20:52.48 | eichi | there was a 0s2008 feature update...what does this mean? browser and email client |
| 20:52.48 | eichi | ? |
| 20:53.10 | eichi | operation system updates |
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| 20:53.26 | eichi | i want to see the changelog |
| 20:55.16 | andre___ | i don't think the ChangeLog is public for all modules (if you really refer to a ChangeLog) |
| 20:55.39 | andre___ | but you can see the list of packages to update in the application manager if you click on details before installing |
| 20:55.56 | Cptnodegard | muahahahahahaha |
| 20:56.02 | Cptnodegard | declares himself genius |
| 20:56.04 | Cptnodegard | http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/n800la1.jpg |
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| 20:58.23 | eichi | andre___, many of my applets are now away... |
| 20:58.46 | andre___ | e.g.? |
| 20:59.35 | eichi | the weather applet |
| 20:59.44 | eichi | and the calendar |
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| 21:04.17 | andre___ | eichi: i wonder if there's an official page listing the updated packages... anyway, maybe it helps tracking down: http://www.gnome.org/~aklapper/maemo/4.2008.30-2-updates-list |
| 21:06.11 | eichi | damn, are all my installed applications away....what the f* |
| 21:07.53 | andre___ | eichi: just to clarify: you were running Diablo before and have installed today's available updates? |
| 21:08.07 | eichi | yes |
| 21:09.12 | andre___ | hmm, bad. now i wonder if other people have also run into this issue... |
| 21:12.09 | GeneralAntilles | Did hildon-desktop just crash? :\ |
| 21:14.35 | eichi | damn my dual boot menu is away too |
| 21:14.42 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: my crystal globe says `yes' |
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| 21:17.23 | eichi | i dont like maemo...allways problems... :( |
| 21:17.38 | GeneralAntilles | eichi, sell it and move on then. |
| 21:18.47 | eichi | GeneralAntilles, its the only small linux device i know, if there would be some equal with other distribution i would do that |
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| 21:19.37 | bef0rd | put linux on it |
| 21:19.56 | mat | mmm, I just began the update... let's hope I won't loose everything as well :p |
| 21:20.10 | eichi | mat, do you have dual boot ? |
| 21:20.11 | GeneralAntilles | You wont. |
| 21:20.14 | GeneralAntilles | He didn't. |
| 21:20.31 | eichi | its only if you use dual boot with boot from sd |
| 21:22.06 | GeneralAntilles | andre___, on a sidenote, just copying over bugs like that one into the internal for the sake of copying them over seems like a good way to encourage more shitty Nokia participation. :\ |
| 21:22.33 | andre___ | GeneralAntilles, yeah, it doesn't improve things at all. but just stopping that doesn't either |
| 21:23.30 | andre___ | i'm going to have a meeting with some nokia folks in two weeks, hope we can agree on some stuff to improve. in the long term this must stop, sure |
| 21:24.46 | eichi | someone did update with dual boot system? |
| 21:25.39 | GeneralAntilles | andre___, if we can get them to look at bugzilla, maybe at least you could figure out a way to syndicate relevant bugzilla bugs into the internal tracker? |
| 21:26.28 | GeneralAntilles | Rather than having two identical reports, one with lots of blathering from ill-informed users and one with useful chatter from Nokia engineers, bugzilla bugs that would normally be duped into the internal tracker would instead be syndicated there so the Nokia engineers don't get to hide. |
| 21:26.42 | GeneralAntilles | is really bored with the whole setup. . . . |
| 21:26.49 | mat | (I'm not using dual boot and update worked fine) |
| 21:27.53 | andre___ | GeneralAntilles, heh... yes and no. In the internal tracker there's a lot more of stuff with regard to versions, hardwares, internal testing links, and some parts of that i guess shouldn't be public (at least not in early stages)... that is the problem. |
| 21:29.00 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia needs to pull its head out of its own ass and learn how to work in the community. |
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| 21:29.11 | GeneralAntilles | Otherwise all the hot air about openness is exactly that. |
| 21:29.21 | andre___ | totally right |
| 21:30.00 | GeneralAntilles | It'd be nice if we could get the managers behind the change. |
| 21:30.06 | andre___ | but you can't get that done from one day to the next. you have to talk to people and convince them |
| 21:30.11 | andre___ | and show them the advantages |
| 21:30.25 | GeneralAntilles | Two years of trying has resulted in very little. |
| 21:30.30 | GeneralAntilles | It wears thin after a while. ;) |
| 21:30.49 | andre___ | i can understand that (though i myself don't know much about the last two years) |
| 21:33.10 | andre___ | GeneralAntilles, but you need arguments... "having things open is better" won't work, it's more the "get in touch with your passionate community (and beta-testers) to get things done faster" :) |
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| 21:33.44 | GeneralAntilles | It's seemingly impossible to get to people inside of Nokia, though. :\ |
| 21:34.11 | GeneralAntilles | The few people that are in the open are already convinced. |
| 21:34.17 | GeneralAntilles | So talking at them wont do anything |
| 21:34.34 | GeneralAntilles | Goes back to the communication issue |
| 21:35.20 | GeneralAntilles | I mean, Quim is great and all, but having one choke point like that doesn't work. |
| 21:35.38 | andre___ | No, that's why the maemo community people have some discussions (personal, or email) with managers (me too) to change their thinking |
| 21:35.57 | andre___ | no, quim on his own of course can't change the entire company culture :) |
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| 21:37.30 | milhouse | @andre - thanks for the update on bug 2770 (/dev/urandom etc.), I didn't want to spam the whole thread with a "Thank you, you're wonderful" post :) |
| 21:37.38 | milhouse | thread => bug report |
| 21:38.29 | GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Tablet_OS#SSU |
| 21:38.31 | andre___ | milhouse, heh, sure... |
| 21:38.32 | GeneralAntilles | sighs. |
| 21:38.35 | GeneralAntilles | God I hate him so much. |
| 21:39.12 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=212534&postcount=80 |
| 21:39.16 | GeneralAntilles | Slow damn clipboard |
| 21:39.32 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody please pick that bullshit apart. |
| 21:39.35 | GeneralAntilles | I'm too tired. |
| 21:39.45 | milhouse | +1 successful system update! that was rather smashing. :) |
| 21:40.18 | GeneralAntilles | AbelMN has the incredible ability to say the dumbest crap. |
| 21:40.35 | andre___ | to comment on that I should have actually taken a look at the ITt wiki before :) |
| 21:40.43 | GeneralAntilles | It's shit. |
| 21:40.55 | GeneralAntilles | Actually, I did a lot of the work to make it less shitty. |
| 21:40.58 | GeneralAntilles | But it's still shit. |
| 21:41.47 | GeneralAntilles | The "ZOMG THIS IS ALL TOO TECHNICAL N U GUYZ R ASSHOLES" line is getting to me. |
| 21:42.42 | andre___ | ah well... calm down, relax, get a beer (or swap the timezone if it's too early) :) |
| 21:42.47 | milhouse | andre - regarding nokia versions, hardwares, internal testing links etc., how is it that other public projects successfully keep sensitive/private bug reports hidden in their public bugzilla? Is this not "safe" enough for Nokia, when it seems safe enough for Mozilla to restrict access to their security bugs etc. |
| 21:43.43 | andre___ | milhouse, Mozilla does not ship hardware. That's a huge difference |
| 21:43.57 | milhouse | what about security bugs affecting 10m+ users? |
| 21:44.30 | milhouse | or have i just missed your point? |
| 21:44.32 | andre___ | don't know if mozilla has a non-disclosure policy or not |
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| 21:45.15 | andre___ | milhouse, it's quite often that there are special mailing lists for security bugs to inform (linux) distributions to ship an update at the same day, and not make the bug public before |
| 21:45.16 | milhouse | i don't know either, but I know that the Mozilla bugzilla has private bugs that are restricted access, Logitech/Slim Devices (hardware manufacturer) have private bugs etc. |
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| 21:45.41 | milhouse | I struggle to understand why Nokia is so "special" or "different" here |
| 21:46.29 | milhouse | re special mailing lists - the bugs are opened up once the bug is fixed/released... Nokia could do the same with their bugs once the hardware is released/announced etc. |
| 21:46.32 | andre___ | indeed, that's what i want to find out too. definitely because there's also hardware involved, and maybe because some stuff, e.g. links to the testing infrastructure, is probably also something considered secret |
| 21:46.50 | nemo | milhouse: big companies aren't good on flexibility or unknowns |
| 21:47.04 | andre___ | having private bugs is not the issue here. it's more about the whole bug life cycle management includes parts that aren't considered to be made public i guess |
| 21:47.27 | andre___ | and discussing why people (deciders) consider some stuff secret is what it's about |
| 21:47.53 | andre___ | if you can convince them that it doesn't need to be secret it's good. but that's not easy |
| 21:47.57 | milhouse | ok, well maybe you're right - but other projects seem to get around it just fine, and not mickey mouse projects but large one, hardware ones, etc. |
| 21:48.08 | bef0rd | OT: is gmail down atm? |
| 21:48.24 | GeneralAntilles | Clearly there are some things Nokia needs to keep secret |
| 21:48.26 | andre___ | milhouse, give me examples, the more knowledge, the easier to convince them when having meetings or exchanging mail |
| 21:48.38 | GeneralAntilles | but clearly the scope of what they keep secret now is far too broad. |
| 21:48.41 | milhouse | bef0rd: yep, seems to be down here (UK) |
| 21:48.55 | milhouse | bef0rd: "Information is temporaryily unavailable" on my iGoogle |
| 21:49.01 | GeneralAntilles | Make it simple, open source things track in bugzilla, closed things in the internal tracker. |
| 21:49.08 | andre___ | GeneralAntilles, right. and some of the things that even i see part of being secret are currently part of a bug's life in the internal tracker, unfortunately |
| 21:49.22 | GeneralAntilles | The code is there for all to see, and the bugs should be too. |
| 21:49.24 | andre___ | sure, that's what i also want to propose |
| 21:49.47 | milhouse | andre: Logitech/Slim Devices operate a bugzilla with restricted access bugs (can't give you any #'s but I came across one the other day which said "Restricted, naff off" or words to that effect) http://bugs.slimdevices.com/ |
| 21:50.01 | GeneralAntilles | Time wasted on stupid administrative overhead syncing between internal and external is a good argument. |
| 21:50.03 | andre___ | definitely +1. just need to look at more internal bug tickets from totally open projects and which info is in there that might be argument of discussion to *not* do it |
| 21:50.06 | milhouse | Slim Devices ship hardware, Squeezeboxes, Transformers, Duets etc. |
| 21:50.14 | milhouse | Mozilla is the other one, of course |
| 21:50.14 | GeneralAntilles | Slows down bug diagnosis and fixing. |
| 21:50.40 | bef0rd | milhouse, thanks! |
| 21:50.54 | GeneralAntilles | Anyway, gotta pick my folks up from the airport. |
| 21:50.56 | GeneralAntilles | Later all. |
| 21:51.04 | GeneralAntilles | steps back, relaxes. |
| 21:51.15 | milhouse | andre: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50788&highlight=secret |
| 21:51.28 | milhouse | KDF is one of the Slim Devices developers (but not an employee) |
| 21:51.31 | andre___ | again, i don't think you can compare mozilla. they don't ship hardware, they don't have "commercial testing cycles" (or however to express) |
| 21:52.08 | andre___ | and mozilla will not get sued if they ship broken software, while i guess that nokia might be afraid of that. (just guesses.) |
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| 21:52.49 | andre___ | milhouse, the problem can't be solved by having secret bugs |
| 21:52.54 | milhouse | no, but what I was getting at was how secure the mechanism is to protect bugs - is it reliable and not easy to hack? If it's reliable then Nokia could potentially use it - if Mozilla use this mechanism to restrict access to security related bugs then I'm pretty sure it's quite reliable |
| 21:53.19 | andre___ | the problem right now is that *every* internal report includes some info that some "deciders" consider to be not public |
| 21:53.25 | milhouse | andre: maybe so, but it's also about removing the barriers to getting the nokia developers involved |
| 21:53.40 | milhouse | grrrrr... management. :) |
| 21:53.44 | andre___ | heh :) |
| 21:54.38 | andre___ | err... it is reliable, we use it in GNOME too. but it has nothing to do with the problem we discuss here :) |
| 21:54.55 | andre___ | we can't set ALL bugs to private ;-) |
| 21:55.49 | andre___ | ...but that's a good discussion here, it helps me collecting arguments and getting some thoughts and opinions. thanks :) |
| 21:56.26 | andre___ | bef0rd, fyi several people in the gnome irc channels say that they can't access gmail too |
| 21:59.06 | wiza | is there any release notes about today's updates? |
| 21:59.16 | wiza | map/feature upgrade? |
| 21:59.57 | milhouse | crikey, changelogs have been promised for so long now |
| 22:00.39 | andre___ | i can offer you the list of updated packages, and querying maemo bugzilla for resolved bugs with target milestone 4.1+ set |
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| 22:01.28 | milhouse | andre: pulling bug refs from bugzilla would be a good start - that's what we've been asking for a long, long time (at one point it was promised, about 3 releases ago I think...) |
| 22:01.40 | milhouse | although do we actually know these bugs have been fixed? |
| 22:02.12 | milhouse | i always got the impression that the process was a little "chaotic", possibly because of the two tracking systems... |
| 22:02.12 | andre___ | it should be correct. otherwise you can blame me in lots of cases ;-) |
| 22:02.19 | milhouse | never :) |
| 22:02.45 | andre___ | it would be also chaotic when only having one tracking system, i promise you ;-)) |
| 22:03.39 | milhouse | there's a mail thread discussing the upstream issues, but tracking our own bugs shouldn't be an onerous task |
| 22:03.55 | andre___ | mail thread? where? |
| 22:05.28 | milhouse | here we are - I think I know the annoying weaselbag who kicked it off... http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/20045?nohighlight=1#20045 |
| 22:08.33 | andre___ | i'm confused - what mailing list is that? it doesn't seem to be maemo-developers@maemo.org |
| 22:08.54 | milhouse | it is - it's a different format |
| 22:09.11 | milhouse | it must be syndicated |
| 22:09.18 | andre___ | why isn't that in the archives in http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers then? |
| 22:09.23 | milhouse | should be... |
| 22:09.28 | andre___ | i'm subscribed to maemo-developers@maemo.org |
| 22:09.36 | andre___ | and i haven't seen those postings |
| 22:09.40 | andre___ | what the |
| 22:10.01 | andre___ | oops. |
| 22:10.06 | andre___ | ok. |
| 22:10.09 | milhouse | :) |
| 22:10.10 | andre___ | all is 2007, sorry |
| 22:10.15 | andre___ | i somehow read 2008 |
| 22:10.21 | milhouse | yep - 18 months ago... hah! 2008? :) |
| 22:10.38 | andre___ | i'm a newbie, bare with me :) |
| 22:10.50 | milhouse | nah, this has been a topic that surfaces with every release... probably since the earliest days |
| 22:10.53 | andre___ | maybe time to renew that topic |
| 22:11.13 | milhouse | sounds like a great idea |
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| 22:11.56 | milhouse | a jakub alluded to, a simple list of bugs based on target milestones shouldn't be too hard to produce - but would be a leap forward in terms of what we've been getting since the first releases. |
| 22:12.05 | milhouse | s/a/as/ |
| 22:13.50 | andre___ | https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&target_milestone=4.1%2B&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED should list the public bugs fixed in today's update |
| 22:14.06 | andre___ | uhm. no, have to correct myself |
| 22:14.21 | andre___ | some of them have been fixed after week 30 when the update was pacakged |
| 22:14.38 | milhouse | andre! get it together!! |
| 22:14.42 | milhouse | woops |
| 22:14.45 | andre___ | heh |
| 22:15.16 | milhouse | ah well... but at least you're in the loop, maybe going forward we can work towards producing a list with each release? |
| 22:15.40 | milhouse | can you narrow your query by date as well? |
| 22:15.48 | milhouse | pre week 30 etc? |
| 22:15.58 | andre___ | you can |
| 22:18.22 | andre___ | https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&classification=Maemo+Software&target_milestone=4.1%2B&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=2008-07-31&chfield=resolution |
| 22:18.27 | andre___ | but that's also not perfect, garrr |
| 22:19.23 | milhouse | I'm going to have to leave you to it - getting late here and I haven't had my dinner... :) |
| 22:19.38 | andre___ | heh. i'm also going to leave for today... |
| 22:19.50 | milhouse | would it be possible to publish the bugs (quim?) once you have a definitive list? at some point, whenever you're ready... |
| 22:20.22 | andre___ | quim is on vacation for the rest of the month, but it may be a good topic for tomorrow evening's sprint meeting - wanna join? |
| 22:20.26 | milhouse | i think that would help raise visibility of bugzilla too, and maybe spur people on to use it more |
| 22:20.43 | milhouse | i'll try - what's the format - irc? |
| 22:20.45 | milhouse | time? |
| 22:20.46 | andre___ | https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint4 |
| 22:20.51 | andre___ | 1900 UTC |
| 22:21.11 | milhouse | oh god, what's that in UK time? |
| 22:21.13 | milhouse | :) |
| 22:21.21 | milhouse | are we utc or gmt right now i have no idea! |
| 22:21.27 | milhouse | it's 23:21 here now |
| 22:21.44 | milhouse | s/gmt/bst/ |
| 22:21.49 | andre___ | UTC is 22:21 for you |
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| 22:22.21 | andre___ | so it's tomorrow at 20:00 in the UK :-P |
| 22:22.22 | milhouse | ok, so 20:00 BST - cool |
| 22:22.52 | andre___ | well, probably it's just boring. but getting more community involved is always good... |
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| 22:23.22 | milhouse | if i can make it home in time i'll drop by |
| 22:23.42 | milhouse | should be there if all goes to plan |
| 22:23.46 | milhouse | right, dinner time - night all! |
| 22:23.59 | andre___ | enjoy your meal, gnight |
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| 22:27.33 | t_s_o | typical that my isp should have trouble right now |
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| 22:55.45 | GeneralAntilles | ~changelog |
| 22:55.46 | infobot | [changelog] dpkg-deb --fsys-tarfile whatever.deb | tar xOf - '*changelog.Debian.gz' | gzip -d | less |
| 22:55.51 | GeneralAntilles | ~change-log |
| 22:55.58 | GeneralAntilles | ~diabl-changelog |
| 22:56.01 | GeneralAntilles | ~diablo-changelog |
| 22:56.02 | infobot | it has been said that diablo-changelog is Announcement: http://tinyurl.com/6k7q7q Version chart: http://tinyurl.com/5duv6t Bugzilla: http://tinyurl.com/68bffr Wikipedia: http://tinyurl.com/4wafha |
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| 23:11.28 | GeneralAntilles | Ehehe, Karel finally lost it. |
| 23:15.31 | t_s_o | funny, after the reflash the maemo extra repo was disabled |
| 23:15.48 | t_s_o | "finally"? i figure that person was long gone... |
| 23:15.49 | GeneralAntilles | Reflash or SSU upgrade? |
| 23:15.55 | GeneralAntilles | Ehehe |
| 23:16.30 | GeneralAntilles | OK, he's finally really lost it and started flailing around at innocent bystanders like a madman. ;) |
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| 23:18.33 | t_s_o | reflash after a borked ssu upgrade... |
| 23:19.38 | dougt | is there any reason to not upgrade to diablo? |
| 23:20.49 | GeneralAntilles | dougt, well, there are lots of reasons for lots of things. ;) |
| 23:20.54 | GeneralAntilles | But my short answer is, no. |
| 23:21.03 | dougt | okay. |
| 23:21.05 | GeneralAntilles | Especially not with 30-2 being out and MicroB getting such a boost. |
| 23:21.30 | dougt | what do you mean, MicroB getting such a boost. |
| 23:21.48 | GeneralAntilles | It's a lot more responsive opening, closing and switching windows |
| 23:21.53 | dougt | ah |
| 23:21.54 | GeneralAntilles | and browsing is just a touch faster overall. |
| 23:22.05 | timelyx | chuckles |
| 23:22.39 | timelyx | andre___: i'm going to pull xrefs for the new diablo eventually, it'll take me a bit |
| 23:23.44 | timelyx | until then, i'm not going to verify code bugs |
| 23:24.47 | timelyx | dougt: in general, unless you've installed lots of third party software which you don't think has been updated yet, you should update |
| 23:24.57 | timelyx | it's the same as w/ the iPod or iPhone |
| 23:25.00 | timelyx | or Firefox |
| 23:25.07 | dougt | timelyx: :-) |
| 23:25.21 | timelyx | as long as any 'interesting' or 'critical' addons are still supported in the newer version, upgrade! |
| 23:25.25 | dougt | just got that cable i was missing at the summit |
| 23:25.32 | timelyx | :) |
| 23:25.41 | dougt | they are hard to find here. |
| 23:25.46 | dougt | had to order it from amazon. |
| 23:25.56 | timelyx | btw, i really wanted to spend more time talking, you never demo'd that device: ( |
| 23:26.29 | dougt | yeah, i know. |
| 23:26.33 | dougt | it went way to quick. |
| 23:26.39 | timelyx | nods |
| 23:26.42 | dougt | did you take the bus on friday? |
| 23:26.54 | timelyx | 11pm on thursday |
| 23:27.12 | timelyx | but i left the dinner w/ dave who needed to catch the 10pm |
| 23:27.21 | dougt | 10am? |
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| 23:27.34 | timelyx | pm |
| 23:27.44 | dougt | i took the 3am without sleeping prior. |
| 23:27.50 | dougt | it was not a fun trip back home. |
| 23:27.57 | timelyx | i'm pretty sure we slept on the bus |
| 23:28.04 | dougt | don't remember? |
| 23:28.05 | timelyx | however i also slept when i arrived in LA |
| 23:28.30 | timelyx | well, i think laura remembers being amused by me sprawled out across 3+chairs (+aisle) |
| 23:28.53 | dougt | nice. |
| 23:29.12 | dougt | no pictures. |
| 23:29.15 | timelyx | i know she slept, and i suspect i wasn't awake when she noticed me like that |
| 23:29.21 | timelyx | hey, at least i found my camera |
| 23:29.27 | timelyx | i had put it in one of my bags :o |
| 23:29.29 | dougt | grats. |
| 23:29.40 | timelyx | sadly, i left my suit jackets in the hotel room |
| 23:29.48 | dougt | btw, i made it through security and onto a plane w/ a full tube of toothpaste. |
| 23:30.06 | dougt | (i didn't know i packed that big of a tube) |
| 23:30.12 | timelyx | heh |
| 23:30.18 | dougt | wonders if I am now on a watch list. |
| 23:30.22 | timelyx | i don't think i'll mention anything i didn't do right |
| 23:30.35 | dougt | probably a safe idea. |
| 23:30.37 | dougt | say... |
| 23:31.03 | dougt | why do you build microb stuff with no-unit-at-a-time |
| 23:31.19 | timelyx | most of those optimizations were picked by people who had no clue |
| 23:31.26 | timelyx | and in testing using gecko default options was better |
| 23:31.38 | timelyx | the other reason historically has been that the compiler was really flaky |
| 23:34.17 | crashanddie | dougt, you're on the ATF watch list, that's for sure ! |
| 23:34.19 | GeneralAntilles | timelyx, you happen to know the 30-2 tablet browser release version off the top of your head? |
| 23:34.47 | GeneralAntilles | The about: page still hasn't been updated for 30-2. . . . |
| 23:35.08 | timelyx | nope, that's what debian is for |
| 23:35.23 | timelyx | dpkg / apt-cache or something |
| 23:35.26 | t_s_o | ugh, where oh where did x hide its keyboard layouts again. i keep forgetting :( |
| 23:35.32 | timelyx | as i told andre___, i haven't pulled xref yet |
| 23:35.42 | dougt | crashanddie: oh, that atf thing is for something else.... i helped with crypto stuff when it was pretty illegal to ship anything without going through alot of pain. |
| 23:35.49 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: as usual, we're finding out about releases after you guys do :) |
| 23:36.07 | GeneralAntilles | Nice. . . . |
| 23:36.23 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, osso-browser 3:2.1.5-1 |
| 23:36.35 | timelyx | crashanddie: that's a meta package |
| 23:36.37 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, bzzt |
| 23:36.37 | timelyx | not very useful |
| 23:36.45 | timelyx | he probably wants microb-engine |
| 23:36.56 | timelyx | or tablet-browser-* |
| 23:37.06 | crashanddie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:37.31 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: if you mean have we moved gecko tags, i can't remember |
| 23:37.33 | GeneralAntilles | "1.0.4" on wikipedia |
| 23:37.38 | timelyx | the plan says we move to 3.0.1 at some point |
| 23:37.53 | GeneralAntilles | I guess I should update the release date, at least. . . . |
| 23:37.55 | timelyx | anyway, it's late |
| 23:38.08 | timelyx | late... it's really late |
| 23:38.20 | crashanddie | dougt, I thought it was for the magic 9 mil casing that suddenly started appearing in your neighbourhood |
| 23:38.41 | crashanddie | dougt, thought, thanks, I'll tag your file with "update needed" |
| 23:38.50 | dougt | :-) |
| 23:38.52 | dougt | no problem. |
| 23:38.52 | crashanddie | s/t,/,/ |
| 23:38.56 | dougt | and it is a 40 cal. i use. |
| 23:38.58 | crashanddie | djeezus |
| 23:38.59 | dougt | :-) |
| 23:39.08 | crashanddie | ~lart infobot |
| 23:39.08 | infobot | turns crashanddie into a lifesized tux doll |
| 23:39.16 | crashanddie | AAAAAARGGGGGH |
| 23:39.31 | GeneralAntilles | bot-pwned |
| 23:39.35 | crashanddie | slams liqbase down infobot's throat |
| 23:40.27 | dougt | searching on http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/ is busted. |
| 23:40.42 | timelyx | there are 2 other search engines |
| 23:40.49 | timelyx | the older one was gronmeyer (?) |
| 23:40.57 | GeneralAntilles | gronmayer.com/it |
| 23:41.03 | GeneralAntilles | Does not include Diablo repositories. |
| 23:41.29 | GeneralAntilles | ferenc is working on a packages.maemo.org that may be live sometime before the summit. :P |
| 23:41.30 | timelyx | ouch |
| 23:41.44 | timelyx | does the other repo tracker handle diablo? |
| 23:42.01 | GeneralAntilles | The Diablo repos could be added to gronmayer |
| 23:42.21 | GeneralAntilles | but I'm disinclined to do it myself, as it only encourages more usage of system-breaking 3rd-party repositories. |
| 23:42.50 | GeneralAntilles | site:http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo will work for you. |
| 23:43.37 | GeneralAntilles | timelyx, Pack Rat was down last time I checked. |
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| 23:43.58 | GeneralAntilles | http://ageofikon.info/packrat/ |
| 23:44.02 | GeneralAntilles | It's back up, I guess. |
| 23:44.19 | GeneralAntilles | Or maybe not |
| 23:44.33 | GeneralAntilles | stabs rm_you. |
| 23:44.39 | GeneralAntilles | ~pack-rat is http://ageofikon.info/packrat/ |
| 23:44.40 | infobot | okay, GeneralAntilles |
| 23:44.45 | rm_you | is stabbed |
| 23:44.56 | rm_you | fixes |
| 23:46.26 | rm_you | ima turn off cron |
| 23:46.30 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, if only Maemo Software had that sort of response time. :p |
| 23:46.34 | rm_you | it won't update automatically, but... that was breaking it instantly |
| 23:46.37 | rm_you | so |
| 23:46.39 | rm_you | whatever |
| 23:46.44 | rm_you | i'll update it manually every week or so |
| 23:46.52 | rm_you | until i figure out why it breaks |
| 23:47.29 | rm_you | I are packing |
| 23:47.45 | rm_you | erk MySQL is broken i think |
| 23:47.47 | rm_you | that seems to be the issue |
| 23:48.27 | rm_you | it breaks... sometimes? |
| 23:48.28 | rm_you | so weird |
| 23:55.34 | t_s_o | and things are back to normal... |
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| 23:56.14 | t_s_o | even my gpe calendar stuff have survived, nice :D |
| 23:57.08 | t_s_o | even tho it seems i have a older version, before the crash bug fix... |
| 23:57.21 | t_s_o | extra devel next i guess... |
