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| 00:42.04 | trev0r | any maemo mapper users here? |
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| 00:45.18 | summatusmentis | I like to pretend I am, but I don't actualy use it |
| 00:45.44 | trev0r | you poser |
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| 01:00.01 | Mace` | that's it.. i'm going to rebuild my entire gentoo box and if that doesn't work i'm wiping it and never looking back |
| 01:00.07 | Mace` | i suppose i'll install debian on the box after this |
| 01:00.10 | Mace` | or ubuntu |
| 01:13.06 | trev0r | what more could you need than your internet tablet |
| 01:18.03 | summatusmentis | a computer that will do VMs :) |
| 01:19.27 | trev0r | the n770 is featured quite a bit in the harold kumar sequel |
| 01:32.23 | gentooer | anyone use mCalendar? |
| 01:33.14 | gentooer | or any other calendar software that syncs with google? |
| 01:33.40 | GeneralAntilles | s/n770/770/g |
| 01:50.21 | summatusmentis | gentooer: I just use Google Calendar :) |
| 01:51.06 | gentooer | yeah i might stick with that for now.. mCalendar is pretty broken |
| 01:51.36 | GeneralAntilles | alpha |
| 01:51.58 | gentooer | yeah i know. just thought i'd give it a try |
| 01:52.25 | GeneralAntilles | Feel free to help Khertan out and submit patches. ;) |
| 01:53.23 | gentooer | i'll try :) |
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| 02:24.48 | robink | Does the Git package from the Debian repository work on Maemo? |
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| 04:24.09 | Italodance | . |
| 04:24.46 | terbo | ^ |
| 04:26.02 | Italodance | :D |
| 04:26.07 | Italodance | morning |
| 04:26.42 | terbo | evenin |
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| 04:37.17 | GeneralAntilles | Who let "Share apps" past copy-editing for the maemo.org intro. <_< |
| 04:46.00 | GeneralAntilles | pokes X-Fade. |
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| 04:50.33 | oilinki | hey. is there a ready made list how much each n810 component uses battery? eg. display min, med, max ,gps chip, wlan idle/action, bt id/action etc. |
| 04:51.36 | GeneralAntilles | No. |
| 04:51.46 | oilinki | oukki. |
| 04:52.35 | oilinki | seems like the lid display is the biggest power hungry element in the system |
| 04:54.29 | GeneralAntilles | Backlights are the biggest consumer of energy on most mobile devices. |
| 04:54.56 | oilinki | maemo-mapper with bt-gps and display lit, the battery life was about 4 hours. display lit only when needed extended the life to 4 times more |
| 04:55.20 | GeneralAntilles | Dropping the brightness can help a lot |
| 04:55.30 | GeneralAntilles | If you're in a car, just get a power adaptor, though. |
| 04:55.59 | oilinki | I had an old power adapter, but n810 seemed to refuse it. need to get a new one. |
| 04:56.15 | GeneralAntilles | Gmail webmail is really slow right now, I'm waiting fo the message I just typed out to finish appearing on screen. <_< |
| 04:56.29 | GeneralAntilles | Voltage is off if it says "Not charging" |
| 04:56.44 | GeneralAntilles | You can pick up Nokia adaptors for about $2 a piece off Amazon. |
| 04:57.27 | oilinki | I'll just go to a local little shop and check there. |
| 04:57.48 | oilinki | I need to install one for my scooter as well. |
| 05:00.00 | GeneralAntilles | Should probably tackle the maemo.org organization one section at a time. . . . |
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| 05:27.52 | Deka | Anyone here in BC? |
| 05:28.24 | MAXLOOT | Hello can someone plz tell me a good maemo/n800 forum? thanks |
| 05:28.40 | Deka | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/ |
| 05:29.44 | MAXLOOT | thanks deka |
| 05:34.55 | lpotter | I drove though BC once. does that count? |
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| 05:42.02 | moontiger | does anybody know how to install something like gedit or whatnot inside sbox? nano is getting really old :( |
| 05:43.10 | GAN800 | How about vi? . . . |
| 05:43.37 | moontiger | everytime i try to run vi i have to kill the process cos i can't even quit from it |
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| 05:49.03 | lpotter | jjust do Esc :q! |
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| 05:50.50 | lpotter | just use the editor on the host |
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| 05:58.47 | GAN800 | moontiger, then learn how to use vi? |
| 06:00.35 | moontiger | gan800 ... i know but i just really dont want to spend that much of my life learning a text editor :| |
| 06:02.09 | GAN800 | It'll take all of five minutes to get the basics. |
| 06:02.56 | terbo | step one: writing an operating system |
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| 06:10.42 | moontiger | i would love to be able to use anjuta but i havent figured out how to even install it inside sbox |
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| 06:12.42 | RST38h | Eclipse? KILL. |
| 06:12.56 | RST38h | moontiger: use pico |
| 06:13.02 | RST38h | you do not need to learn pico |
| 06:13.48 | moontiger | i can use joe and nano but really ... is there no way to use an editor with a gui ... it is 2008 no? *sighs* |
| 06:13.58 | RST38h | there is |
| 06:14.13 | RST38h | I have no idea why you would need a gui in the text editor, but gimme a moment |
| 06:17.51 | RST38h | moontiger: http://geany.uvena.de/ |
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| 06:21.04 | moontiger | thnx but what is the link for? i already use geany on my main dev system for web stuff ... is there a way to get that running insode of sbox? :) |
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| 06:27.20 | moontiger | forgive me ... im reading the ittabletalk pages now ... thanks :) |
| 06:32.09 | trev0r | does syncing the n810 with a phone add anything besides the ability to use the phone's internet? |
| 06:35.19 | moontiger | trevor ... i think you can xfer files if your fone is set up for that but essentially its for internet access i think |
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| 06:36.34 | trev0r | i was wondering if it would notify you of calls, etc |
| 06:36.37 | bef0rd | I can 'control' the n810 from my SE phone |
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| 06:37.30 | GAN800 | trev0r, phonelink |
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| 06:45.19 | moontiger | is resigned to command line tools for dev work *sigh* |
| 06:55.40 | RST38h | good boy |
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| 07:08.07 | bef0rd | why do you need to install the dev tools inside sbox? |
| 07:08.59 | bef0rd | can't you just open the 'project' files outside of sbox, with your IDE, and just use sbox to type make? |
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| 07:13.24 | RST38h | bef0rd: Maemo SDK+ |
| 07:13.42 | RST38h | bef0rd: sb1 won't do it but sb2 (part of maemosdk+) will |
| 07:14.27 | GAN800 | I wonder if it's time to start tackling the branding for maemo.org now that the logo is in place. . . . |
| 07:22.45 | RST38h | depends on what you mean by branding |
| 07:23.02 | GAN800 | maemo -> Maemo, etc |
| 07:23.10 | RST38h | ah |
| 07:23.12 | RST38h | yep |
| 07:24.56 | GAN800 | Now where's X-Fade. . . . |
| 07:25.12 | GAN800 | or bergie. . . . |
| 07:30.23 | GAN800 | Anybody have an opinion on site-wide full-justification? |
| 07:31.04 | Proteous | I think anyone who has an opinion about site-wide full-justification should just shut up |
| 07:31.10 | Proteous | keep it to yourself |
| 07:31.24 | bef0rd | ok. |
| 07:31.27 | Proteous | WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR YOUR QUIBBLES |
| 07:31.54 | Proteous | seriously, no one really cares about it as much as you do, so you'll just be boring us |
| 07:31.57 | GAN800 | steals Proteous's Lucky Charms. |
| 07:32.07 | Proteous | and belive me, no one wants to be bored |
| 07:32.21 | Proteous | especialy by your justification viewpoints |
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| 07:34.04 | Proteous | you can blame GAN800 for my poor disposition |
| 07:34.12 | Proteous | he stole all my breakfast cereal |
| 07:34.21 | Proteous | that makes me cranky |
| 07:34.29 | Proteous | now GET OFF MY LAWN |
| 07:34.47 | GAN800 | adds milk, eats. |
| 07:34.52 | Proteous | cries |
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| 07:45.48 | moontiger | catches up..... |
| 07:46.57 | moontiger | yah well right now im just doing some python for a home screen applet so its not too bad |
| 07:47.14 | moontiger | when i start using c or c++ it might be more of a pain |
| 07:47.30 | moontiger | btw ... can i use c++ for maemo apps? and glade? |
| 07:49.33 | lbt | http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/docs/tutorial/html/index.html |
| 07:50.21 | bef0rd | I saw gtkmm/glade libs with chinook, dunno if they are available to diablo |
| 07:50.28 | lbt | yes |
| 07:50.45 | lbt | (not sure about glade if that's what you meant) |
| 07:51.51 | deckel | I could need a pointer on how to recover my non booting 810. The blue status bar is complete, but it doesn't go any futher. |
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| 07:55.00 | keesj | bef0rd: I think c++ dev was even officialy anounced |
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| 07:57.49 | lbt | if you want to look at a simple-ish c++ app then I'm currently writing Shopper: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/shopper |
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| 08:34.28 | moontiger | lbt: thanks much :) |
| 08:34.50 | moontiger | im developing a simple python home applet to get my google calendar right now just to get my feet wet |
| 08:34.56 | moontiger | then i want to do some more ambitious stuff |
| 08:38.18 | pupnik | deckel: have you tried reflashing? |
| 08:39.08 | aquatix | morning all |
| 08:39.20 | qwerty12 | hi aquatix |
| 08:39.21 | deckel | pupnik: I am sure that would solve the problem but I'd like to avoid that. Seems my installation of advanced-backlight caused the trouble. That was the last thing I did before rebooting. |
| 08:39.40 | qwerty12 | deckel, Do you have fanoush's initfs installed? |
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| 08:40.19 | deckel | qwerty12: No |
| 08:40.57 | qwerty12 | Then you are SOL. Fanoush's initfs can get you into a / either by telnet/ssh or booting another system of a memory card :/ |
| 08:45.00 | deckel | ok. I'll reflash and have a look at this. Thanks. |
| 08:45.00 | GeneralAntilles | deckel, adv-backlight? |
| 08:45.00 | GeneralAntilles | I don't see how. . . . |
| 08:45.00 | GeneralAntilles | Unless there was something broken about your system going in. :\ |
| 08:45.16 | deckel | Yes, adv-backlight. I'll reflash and install adv-backlight again. Just to see if that was the problem. |
| 08:45.22 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, hildon-desktop is a POS :(. I've had it crash on bootup just by updating the rss reader applet. |
| 08:45.57 | GeneralAntilles | lol, qwerty12, everything's a POS to you, isn't it? :P |
| 08:46.20 | GeneralAntilles | deckel, it wont. |
| 08:46.22 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, Of course :P :D |
| 08:46.42 | qwerty12 | so needs a bigger hard drive |
| 08:46.58 | deckel | GeneralAntilles: it won't crash then? |
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| 08:48.23 | GeneralAntilles | deckel, thousands of people use it without issue. |
| 08:48.44 | GeneralAntilles | There's very little chance that it was actually the culprit. |
| 08:49.33 | RST38h | qwerty |
| 08:49.43 | qwerty12 | Hi RST38h |
| 08:50.04 | deckel | So, it is impossible to find out what the problem was? I'll have a look at Fanoush's initfs. Maybe this helps if I run into a similar problem in future. |
| 08:51.29 | GeneralAntilles | Well, boot issues aren't the easiest things in the world to diagnose. |
| 08:51.39 | GeneralAntilles | Definitely install fanoush's initfs. |
| 08:51.57 | GeneralAntilles | As that'll give you a usbnet ssh/telnet recovery route. |
| 08:52.21 | GeneralAntilles | There are thousands of small things that can lead to reboot loops. |
| 08:52.44 | deckel | Do I need a MMC or can I install it without? |
| 08:52.52 | GeneralAntilles | You don't need anything |
| 08:53.11 | GeneralAntilles | it's intended primarily to provide a bootmenu for multiboot |
| 08:53.22 | GeneralAntilles | but you don't need to use multiboot to use it. |
| 08:53.36 | deckel | ok. I'll reflash and install it right after that. |
| 08:53.48 | GeneralAntilles | anything you did between your last poweron and the one that ended in a loop could've caused the loop. |
| 08:55.24 | liri | RST38h: how's it going |
| 08:57.15 | GeneralAntilles | Awesome. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=211972#post211972 |
| 08:58.00 | GeneralAntilles | Google traffic |
| 08:58.04 | Jaffa | Nice. |
| 08:58.05 | GeneralAntilles | That makes me a bit giddy |
| 08:58.11 | GeneralAntilles | No need for FM sideband with that. :D |
| 08:58.26 | GeneralAntilles | Hi, Jaffa. :) |
| 08:58.44 | Jaffa | 'lo |
| 08:58.47 | qwerty12 | Like zap says, would be nice if it was compiled with optimisations :/ |
| 08:59.16 | zap | ? |
| 08:59.38 | qwerty12 | The floating point stuff, I just took a quick look at rules |
| 08:59.44 | zap | and it doesn't use them? |
| 09:00.12 | qwerty12 | Nope, rules just lists O2 |
| 09:00.28 | qwerty12 | Well, this google traffic build anyway |
| 09:00.35 | zap | indeed, no -mvfp |
| 09:00.47 | zap | strange |
| 09:01.14 | zap | maemo mapper author isn't aware that gdk-pixbuf-rotate.c uses heavy floating-point math? |
| 09:01.35 | qwerty12 | maemo mapper author is gone for a while afaik :( |
| 09:01.47 | GeneralAntilles | He's roadtripping. |
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| 09:03.22 | qwerty12 | ~lart libusb |
| 09:03.22 | infobot | strangles libusb with a doohicky mouse cord |
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| 09:04.24 | deckel | GeneralAntilles: Can I follow these instructions? https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_MMC_card |
| 09:05.40 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, just the bootmenu part. |
| 09:06.16 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: i have this crazy idea to store something akin bootmenu.conf in --set-root-device .. not sure how much space i can fill in there though |
| 09:07.00 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: it'd be interesting from the pov that you dont have to reflash or edit initfs to edit bootmenu, and its possible to do it through flasher too |
| 09:08.10 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, nice |
| 09:08.34 | Stskeeps | i'm just not sure when it starts keeling over :> |
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| 09:09.14 | qwerty12 | Hehe, if the initfs is too big, flasher-3.0 will refuse to flash it. You get about 4MB, I've got around 1.3MB free on /mnt/initfs |
| 09:09.21 | roadies | anyone know of a openvpn binnary that works with the latest n810 OS distro? |
| 09:09.49 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: well i would be storing it in CAL instead |
| 09:10.29 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, hmm, then I would be careful :/ |
| 09:10.52 | Stskeeps | either that or i should just get over myself and upgrade to diablo :P |
| 09:10.57 | Stskeeps | for proper rw initf |
| 09:10.58 | Stskeeps | s |
| 09:11.28 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm, that article seems a little less clear than it was the last time I cleaned it up. :\ |
| 09:11.34 | GeneralAntilles | Whose been screwing around with it. . . . |
| 09:13.04 | GeneralAntilles | Why are we now linking tar to /home/user/bin, too. . . . |
| 09:13.05 | GeneralAntilles | Ugh |
| 09:15.30 | mikkov_ | roadies: openvpn is in extras-devel |
| 09:16.03 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: what i'm really just looking for is a good way to have a grub style boot menu that OS'es can be asked to be added to, like, chroot /mnt/initfs bootmenu add "Deblet" mmcblk1p2 ext2 ro,noatime |
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| 09:16.48 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, that would pwn |
| 09:17.05 | Stskeeps | because the current way is just.. too advanced |
| 09:17.54 | Stskeeps | and ideally i would love it to have something like how macs dualboot, where you with dpad can select images/icons for what you'd like to boot |
| 09:18.24 | qwerty12 | Someone made a graphical bootmenu for 770 (well, it showed tux anyway) but I can't find it anymore :( |
| 09:19.22 | zap | Anybody heard the internal flash memory to wear out when somebody uses it extensively for writing? |
| 09:19.37 | Stskeeps | http://www.slashgear.com/gallery/data_files/2/7/8/apple-bootcamp-photo10.png <- mac |
| 09:19.39 | zap | I'm a little worried since while developing I have to often install/uninstall packages |
| 09:19.52 | Stskeeps | zap: could always clone to mmc |
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| 09:20.09 | Stskeeps | easier to replace mmc than internal |
| 09:20.17 | qwerty12 | and hope that flash chip holding initfs doesn't wear out :> |
| 09:20.20 | zap | I'm thinking about using aufs for that |
| 09:20.55 | qwerty12 | zap, good luck. using unionfs to "union" /home/user would kill hildon-desktop :/ |
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| 09:21.12 | zap | why? |
| 09:21.20 | zap | unionfs sucks anyway |
| 09:21.28 | qwerty12 | If I knew why, I'd be a very happy person :) |
| 09:22.00 | zap | Is it possible to write a control panel applet using Python? |
| 09:22.02 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: why is it btw that people reflash the initfs when they could just remount it rw? or does that blow up things? |
| 09:22.22 | deckel | GeneralAntilles: Installed the bootmenu. Thanks for your help. |
| 09:22.30 | GeneralAntilles | OK, article is a little clearer now. |
| 09:23.23 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, I guess most people, regarding initfs, only install fanoush's bootmenu. It has to be compatible with all tablets and all hardware and you can only remount initfs rw in diablo compared to flashing it in all itos's |
| 09:23.38 | deckel | I couldn't install e2fsprogs. Installed the alternative (forgot the name) instead |
| 09:23.44 | liri | can I plug ordinary headphones to the headphone jack on the n810? (not the nokia's provided headphones) |
| 09:23.50 | qwerty12 | liri, yep |
| 09:24.02 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, give that a quick once over to make sure I didn't screw up, would you? https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card |
| 09:24.24 | liri | qwerty12: ahh nice, so I can connect it to the fm tuner in my car |
| 09:24.50 | liri | qwerty12: the n810 though has an N810 transmitter no? maybe I can transmit FM from the n810 itself :) |
| 09:25.02 | roadies | mikkov_: I'm still new at this, where is extra-devel? All I have is extra selection |
| 09:25.08 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, sure, just checking |
| 09:25.22 | qwerty12 | liri, no, N810 has no fm radio/transmitter |
| 09:25.36 | GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Extras |
| 09:26.14 | GeneralAntilles | Time to remove the Diablo Extras note, methinks |
| 09:26.34 | liri | qwerty12: thanks for clearing that out |
| 09:26.44 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, you say to install wget which is fine. But extras should be enabled for wget |
| 09:26.46 | qwerty12 | liri, np |
| 09:27.19 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, Ah, I see that when they read root access, extras would be enabled |
| 09:29.23 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, Alas, diablo extras does not have a full e2fsprogs (http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/e/e2fsprogs/). To be able to install e2fsprogs, they would have to add the diablo sdk repository :/ |
| 09:29.23 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: how bad is a corrupted CAL btw? in terms of if i end up bricking something |
| 09:29.44 | Stskeeps | (i have flasher access and fanoush bootmenu :P) |
| 09:29.50 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, very bad. You would have to cold-flash |
| 09:29.57 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, how do you feel about putting an e2fsprogs in Extras? |
| 09:30.01 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: lovely |
| 09:30.18 | deckel | querty12: I installed the alternative. apt-get showed me |
| 09:32.02 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, I would do but I lost my ssh keys. I wonder if generating new keys and updating the lost ones in my garage page with new ones would work? |
| 09:32.35 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, even more lovely is that steps for doing so are quite undocumented. keesj would be a good person to ask |
| 09:32.46 | mikkov_ | roadie: in that case install from here http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/o/openvpn/openvpn_2.0.9-4etch1maemo1_armel.deb |
| 09:33.08 | qwerty12 | deckel, is mkfs.ext2 present on your system (you may need to be root to see)? |
| 09:33.20 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, dunno, but you can have one of my patented maemo.org Team Sharpened Poking Sticks if you want. ;) |
| 09:33.45 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, Thanks |
| 09:34.04 | qwerty12 | X-Fade, I'm poking you with GeneralAntilles's patented maemo.org Team Sharpened Poking Stick |
| 09:34.06 | deckel | qwerty12: not present, but installing the bootmenu worked without. |
| 09:34.20 | qwerty12 | deckel, then, alas, it's not an alternative |
| 09:34.40 | roadies | GeneralAntilles or mikkov_: hummmm tried to "install" extra-devel from the URL link on the wiki and it fails with app incompatible....any idea ? |
| 09:35.00 | deckel | qwerty12: but it is shown as a replacement by apt-get. |
| 09:35.31 | qwerty12 | deckel, but if it lacks the tools to format an ext2 partition, then I do not see it as an alternative |
| 09:36.06 | deckel | qwerty12: me neither, just wanted to say that this was shown to me. |
| 09:36.12 | GeneralAntilles | deckel, you actually don't need e2fsprogs for bootmenu |
| 09:36.18 | GeneralAntilles | The article headings were sorted badly |
| 09:36.21 | GeneralAntilles | I just cleaned that up. |
| 09:36.25 | GeneralAntilles | roadies, dunno. |
| 09:37.33 | mikkov_ | roadies: use the link that I sent (to roadie ;)) |
| 09:37.42 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm, that .install worked a few weeks ago. |
| 09:38.01 | GeneralAntilles | Why would https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/install/extras-devel.install throw a "Incompatible application package." |
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| 09:39.46 | roadies | mikkov_: sorry, my multi-tasking this morning is off...well try the link *sign* |
| 09:40.09 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, It has a mistake in it. It wants to add the catalogue "extras-devel" but only "[extras]" is in that install. |
| 09:40.22 | GeneralAntilles | Aha |
| 09:40.30 | GeneralAntilles | pokes X-Fade. |
| 09:41.14 | GeneralAntilles | is just gonna file a bug. |
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| 09:44.15 | GeneralAntilles | roadies, thanks for finding that. :) |
| 09:45.28 | GeneralAntilles | Also: these are the best raspberries I've ever eaten. . . . |
| 09:45.34 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: 128 is too long in set-root-device but 100 is okay - i might have wiped out my osso-software version but i think it was broken already before :) |
| 09:45.51 | Stskeeps | but it still boots |
| 09:46.10 | Stskeeps | wlan macs seem intact |
| 09:46.16 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, osso-software-version in cal always corrupts when flashing :/. I've got a fix for it somewhere... |
| 09:47.24 | roadies | GeneralAntilles: OK what did I find? person in confused state running around iwth no head on (aka me)? mokkov_ gave me the URL but to be honest, I'm not sure it will load. One thing I did do is config the extra-devel in the Apps Manager - however it doesnt see anything |
| 09:47.25 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, running /var/lib/dpkg/info/osso-software-version<tab>.postinst will set the software version again |
| 09:47.58 | GeneralAntilles | roadies, the .install file for Extras-devel was malformed. |
| 09:48.03 | GeneralAntilles | Needs to be fixed. |
| 09:48.05 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: ta |
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| 09:49.49 | roadies | oh, glad I could help.... whatever I did :-) |
| 09:49.56 | Stskeeps | has anyone ever encountered initfs not able to mount / (flash fs)? |
| 09:50.17 | qwerty12 | gets excited over new midnight club |
| 09:50.30 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, are you mounting manually? using ssh, bootmenu.conf? |
| 09:50.54 | roadies | GeneralAntilles: If your fixing it, could U let me know when I can try again? |
| 09:51.03 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: well, i'm just curious if it would be possible to put bootmenu.conf on the firmware image instead (in /, not initfs) |
| 09:51.10 | GeneralAntilles | roadies, I don't have the access. |
| 09:51.10 | Stskeeps | and just mount it readonly to get it |
| 09:51.15 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade needs to fix it. |
| 09:51.20 | Stskeeps | and i wonder if jffs can fuck so much up that it's unmountable |
| 09:51.26 | GeneralAntilles | So it'll be whenever I can find him and accost him. ;) |
| 09:51.39 | deckel | where can I find telepathy-haze-0.2.0-1collabora1? Need it for rtcomm-beta-os2008 v2.4 |
| 09:52.46 | RST38h | apparently, it has not been uploaded yet |
| 09:53.22 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, try something like this. mount -t jffs2 -o rpsize=1024,rpuid=0,rpuid=30000 /dev/mtdblock4 /tmp/mnt |
| 09:53.26 | roadies | GeneralAntilles: when U do find him tell him, a poor slob is flapping in the wind with loose sails...as we say here |
| 09:54.04 | GeneralAntilles | deckel, wait it out, or, maybe, bug Robot101 if you're particularly impatient. |
| 09:54.21 | GeneralAntilles | roadies, it's a 5 character fix. ;) |
| 09:54.28 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: well, i don't have an actual crash right now, just probing hypothetical situation that would mess up a initfs that loads its configuration from another FS than initfs |
| 09:56.44 | qwerty12 | cool |
| 09:58.05 | liri | I'm guessing the common thing people do with their N810 is to clone the root partition to the 2gb partition. what do you do with the 256mb? |
| 09:58.22 | Stskeeps | my idea is to have a initfs bootmenu.conf that just indicates which partition / filesystem and options to find the real "bootmenu" on.. for versions less than diablo it would be /dev/mtdblock4 for instance |
| 09:58.48 | Stskeeps | so you dont have to flash for each change |
| 09:59.11 | GeneralAntilles | liri, swap |
| 09:59.24 | RST38h | and when it wears out? |
| 09:59.46 | GAN800 | That'll be abour never. |
| 10:00.02 | liri | how's that GAN800? |
| 10:00.04 | roadies | ok so I've got openvpn_2.0.2-2_arm.deb and attempting to extract it with dpkg but it needs an extraction directory.... is there a pseudo standard for what directories people use? aka /usr/local/[package-name] or something |
| 10:00.24 | liri | we know that reads and writes from/to flash wear it |
| 10:00.56 | GAN800 | Sure, but flash is a lot more durable these daya |
| 10:01.02 | qwerty12 | roadies, why would you want to extract it? |
| 10:01.12 | GAN800 | and the swapiness is about as low as it can ger. |
| 10:01.18 | GAN800 | s/ger/get/ |
| 10:01.32 | liri | GAN800: and the 2gb sd card? |
| 10:02.02 | GAN800 | What about it? |
| 10:02.16 | liri | GAN800: is it more durable than the 256mb flash or less durable? |
| 10:02.32 | roadies | qwerty12: I'm following this road(ies) map: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/installopenvpn/ but then again I'm a blind newbie here so I'm probably formatting my drive as we speak :-) *sign* |
| 10:02.44 | GeneralAntilles | We're talking about two different things |
| 10:02.45 | GeneralAntilles | Nevermind. |
| 10:03.25 | GeneralAntilles | You usually don't use the built-in flash when you boot from SD. |
| 10:03.28 | qwerty12 | roadies, the date on one of those files is 2005 :/. I'd just dpkg -i the openvpn file and then apt-get -f install |
| 10:03.41 | liri | GeneralAntilles: ahh? |
| 10:04.00 | liri | GeneralAntilles: I can use the entire 2gb sd card as the root partition and put swap on the built-in flash. |
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| 10:04.57 | GeneralAntilles | You could make that work, yes. |
| 10:05.14 | GeneralAntilles | I'd just format the 2GB with two partitions, myself, though. |
| 10:05.56 | chelli | roadies: what are you trying to do? openvpn is available in extra(-devel) |
| 10:06.13 | liri | I haven't done anything yet, I currently have the root partition on the 256mb flash and I'd like to 1. clone it cause I need more space and 2. put a swap file/partition as I read in ITT that it's an incredible improvement |
| 10:07.09 | roadies | qwerty12: mikkov_ gave me a URL with a file data 2008, I'm just using the URL I gave you as a HOWTO |
| 10:08.10 | chelli | roadies: i believe this howto is very, very muc outdated |
| 10:08.29 | roadies | chelli: I configed (at least I think) App Manager with the respositry.maemo.com/extra-devel URL but it doesnt see it |
| 10:08.37 | chelli | roadies: which device and which ITOS do you have? |
| 10:08.45 | qwerty12 | roadies, my point is that the wiki page is old |
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| 10:09.38 | roadies | chelli: n810, with the latest OS (as of yeasterday), qwerty12: I agree very old, thanks |
| 10:10.05 | liri | would putting the root and swap on the 2gb sd card wear it out? (btw, if it got wore out, could it be replaced with a new one?) |
| 10:10.31 | chelli | roadies: respositry.maemo.com/extra-devel is wrong, it sould be repository.maemo.org/extras-devel |
| 10:11.16 | chelli | roadies: openvpn is definetly available in the extras-devel-repository for diablo, because i uploaded it there last week ;-) |
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| 10:11.53 | roadies | chelli: totally agree, I have that - missed type in my last chat to U |
| 10:12.45 | roadies | chellI; OK let me check the App Man config again |
| 10:13.33 | chelli | roadies: can you start xterm and give me the output of "apt-cache policy openvpn" ? |
| 10:14.48 | lcuk | crashanddie, ping back |
| 10:15.08 | roadies | chelli: per your request Nokia-N810-23-14:/media/mmc1# apt-cache policy openvpn W: Unable to locate package openvpn |
| 10:15.26 | chelli | ok, then extras-devel is really missing |
| 10:17.19 | roadies | chelli: App Man is telling me refresh failed... I'm rechecking the URL again...so fair I just dont see a spelling problem with it |
| 10:18.15 | GAN800 | URL: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel |
| 10:18.28 | GAN800 | Components: free non-free |
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| 10:19.10 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: i've put my proposal up in Alternatives on ITT if you want to comment/discuss :) |
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| 10:19.49 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, cool, I'll start reading :) |
| 10:19.50 | crashanddie | lcuk, counter back ping |
| 10:19.55 | lcuk | :D heh |
| 10:20.08 | lcuk | theres a mail in the post to you |
| 10:20.45 | crashanddie | :D |
| 10:20.54 | crashanddie | huggles lcuk |
| 10:21.22 | lcuk | dont get excited, it says ".|.." :D |
| 10:21.27 | TTilus | should n810 be able to retain time and date when it runs out of battery? mine has a strantge habit of showing estimated 10 d of battery (when on stand-by) and after couple of days i find it dead and need to recharge before i get it to boot. and when it does boot it has lost date |
| 10:21.55 | GAN800 | TTilus, plug the damn thing in. . . . |
| 10:22.02 | lcuk | TTilus, are you sure you are not losing time through copious amounts of booze? |
| 10:22.14 | GAN800 | and, yes, it has a backup battery. |
| 10:22.28 | TTilus | has never been boozing, believe me or not :D |
| 10:22.43 | lcuk | TTilus, wormhole? |
| 10:22.51 | TTilus | how often do you _really_ need to recharge |
| 10:23.00 | TTilus | if you aren't using it |
| 10:23.01 | lcuk | if on wifi quite often |
| 10:23.11 | GAN800 | Depends significantly on your usage. |
| 10:23.19 | Stskeeps | would love fuel cell for his n800. |
| 10:23.20 | lcuk | not on wifi if theres nothing attempting to do stuff, it can last ages |
| 10:23.21 | GAN800 | just plug it in at night |
| 10:23.28 | GAN800 | it wont kill you. |
| 10:23.36 | lcuk | i plug it in when im workin on it near the ocmputer, otherwise its off |
| 10:23.51 | lcuk | its a fun game playing the "has my 810 managed to get through the night or did it die in its sleep" |
| 10:23.59 | TTilus | haa, it could be wifi |
| 10:24.14 | GAN800 | lcuk, get a real AP. :/ |
| 10:24.38 | lcuk | no wifi at all - i disconnect a few seconds after moving away from computer |
| 10:24.44 | qwerty12 | My N800 dies each night in offline mode. I have too much programs killing the CPU :/ |
| 10:25.00 | lcuk | qwerty12, thats because it doesnt like the south |
| 10:25.11 | lcuk | isntall "northern grit" and it will survive |
| 10:25.16 | roadies | chellI: as the song goes... "I think he's got it" ! I had "user" for the Catalogue Component and it should be "free non-free".... I'm so proud of myself ..... newbie talk here :-) |
| 10:25.33 | chelli | :) |
| 10:25.37 | qwerty12 | lcuk, I broke my charger in the north. you people have dodgy regulations :p |
| 10:26.09 | lcuk | :D |
| 10:26.30 | TTilus | so turning autoconnect wifi off should extend battery life? |
| 10:26.36 | TTilus | what other tips? |
| 10:26.37 | roadies | chillie: ahhhh now my update windows is chirping at me relentless oh the price of fame ;-) |
| 10:26.57 | TTilus | lcuk: when you have your n810 dead, does it loose datE? |
| 10:27.02 | GAN800 | plug it in |
| 10:27.12 | lcuk | TTilus, when on battery dim the screen as much as practical |
| 10:27.14 | TTilus | (and please no jokes about dating just now) |
| 10:27.26 | TTilus | lcuk: already doing it |
| 10:27.26 | lcuk | no point in sitting on max brightness all day when half will suffice |
| 10:27.40 | lcuk | back ater |
| 10:27.44 | TTilus | lcuk: i'm on lowest possible all the time ;) |
| 10:28.22 | TTilus | GAN800: i just dont have the possibility always |
| 10:29.04 | GAN800 | Good, you don't need it always |
| 10:29.04 | TTilus | GAN800: there are times when i'd like to survive 2-3 days without recharging, and i really don't need to use the device much, if at all |
| 10:29.11 | qwerty12 | TTilus, 1. don't trust the battery applet. 2. try /mnt/initfs/usr/bin/retutime --rtc-from-system as root |
| 10:29.23 | qwerty12 | retutime sets the hardware clock |
| 10:29.27 | GAN800 | just plug it in at night. |
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| 10:29.46 | TTilus | "there are times when i'd like to survive 2-3 days" |
| 10:30.18 | GAN800 | if you're not going to use it for a few days, plug it in. |
| 10:30.19 | TTilus | GAN800: during workdays its usually plugged, at least for a while |
| 10:31.06 | TTilus | GAN800: the thing is, i need it with me, i dont know ex ante if im gonna need it |
| 10:31.18 | crashanddie | lcuk, improvement request: put the sketches in /home/user/MyDocs/.documents/liqsketches, or something, but I reflashed, and lost all my data |
| 10:31.39 | crashanddie | s/but/cuz/ |
| 10:31.44 | TTilus | and i'd like to know how can i survive 2-3 days |
| 10:31.45 | GAN800 | It should get 8-14 days on real standby |
| 10:32.00 | TTilus | thats what ive been told, but mine does not :( |
| 10:32.10 | timely | TTilus: personally, i travel w/ ~5 batteries for my n800s :) |
| 10:32.14 | timely | plus spare "chargers" |
| 10:32.15 | TTilus | and it loses time when it dies |
| 10:32.27 | crashanddie | it does ? |
| 10:32.28 | crashanddie | wow |
| 10:32.33 | GAN800 | Don't dodgy stuff that eats cpu, put it in offline mode. |
| 10:32.50 | timely | yeah, offline mode + lock screen |
| 10:33.12 | qwerty12 | Haha, nokia saw their mistake and should be renabling bluetooth audio service for the wimax tablet |
| 10:33.22 | GAN800 | timely, you still running Bora? |
| 10:33.36 | crashanddie | TTilus, one thing you could do, is lock screen, like you always do, open an ssh session, and look at top to see if there's any app eating your CPU cycles |
| 10:34.06 | TTilus | timely: spare chargers? |
| 10:34.38 | timely | GAN800: i haven't updated any of my devices |
| 10:34.43 | GAN800 | lol |
| 10:34.58 | GAN800 | So, uh, early-2007 OS2007? |
| 10:35.02 | timely | TTilus: i have a 770, 3 n800s, |
| 10:35.08 | GAN800 | How do you even use the thing? |
| 10:35.08 | timely | GAN800: something like that |
| 10:35.24 | timely | GAN800: when traveling i just need a basic web browser |
| 10:35.34 | GAN800 | The early Bora releases are pretty much as crappy as possible. |
| 10:36.00 | GAN800 | Opera? :P |
| 10:36.02 | timely | TTilus: anyway, the devices i'm not using are just chargers :) |
| 10:36.19 | timely | GAN800: one of them still has opera + microb(beta), and of course the 770 only has opera |
| 10:36.37 | GAN800 | :shudder: |
| 10:36.42 | GAN800 | ~flashing |
| 10:36.43 | infobot | methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 10:36.52 | GAN800 | ^ hop to it. :P |
| 10:37.08 | timely | yeah sure... |
| 10:37.15 | TTilus | GAN800: whats "dodgy stuff"? ive installed maemomapper and ssh but nothing else |
| 10:37.33 | GAN800 | RSS home applet |
| 10:37.54 | crashanddie | TTilus, do as I tell ya |
| 10:38.32 | timely | oh yeah, get rid of the rss home applet |
| 10:38.50 | timely | and if you don't use chat, you should probably make sure its various pieces are disabled |
| 10:38.53 | timely | and that it doesn't have an account configured |
| 10:39.10 | GAN800 | I wish RSS didn't suck so much. I'd like to use it, but damn. . . . |
| 10:39.34 | TTilus | crashanddie: you mean like ssh in n810 from another box or just open xterm and top? |
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| 10:40.06 | crashanddie | TTilus, ssh in the NIT from another box |
| 10:40.15 | TTilus | crashanddie: or |
| 10:40.19 | GAN800 | Doing it locally with spike the cpu |
| 10:40.20 | TTilus | damn |
| 10:40.23 | TTilus | crashanddie: ok |
| 10:43.00 | TTilus | crashanddie: in addition to the obvious top and sshd there are "OMAP McSPI/0" and "cx3110x" taking cpu, both under 1% |
| 10:43.16 | crashanddie | hmm |
| 10:44.26 | crashanddie | TTilus, do you have the wifi searching for networks all the time ? |
| 10:45.08 | timely | also, do you have a flaky wifi basestation at any of your primary locations? |
| 10:45.17 | timely | some basestations are known to kill poor devices dead |
| 10:45.45 | timely | amusingly the basestation used by nokians in the helsinki area for adsl was one of those :) |
| 10:45.53 | crashanddie | heh |
| 10:45.59 | crashanddie | well, "good for us" |
| 10:46.07 | crashanddie | at least they noticed it right away :D |
| 10:47.16 | TTilus | crashanddie: should not have, how do i check that, like for real check? |
| 10:47.45 | timely | i can't remember when that was noticed/fixed |
| 10:47.48 | crashanddie | click on the wifi icon, then "Connectivity Settings", then "Connect automatically" |
| 10:47.48 | timely | or how it was fixed |
| 10:48.03 | lcuk | crashanddie, i want the sketches (and everything else) to be in a database ideally. first poweron should ask where |
| 10:48.06 | crashanddie | TTilus, I've set mine to "Always ask" |
| 10:48.13 | crashanddie | lcuk, fair enough |
| 10:48.58 | TTilus | crashanddie: mine too has "always ask" in connection settings |
| 10:49.05 | crashanddie | hmm |
| 10:49.53 | crashanddie | TTilus, I don't know... |
| 10:50.18 | crashanddie | TTilus, I mean, your CPU usage seems AOK, as does your wifi behaviour, I haven't seen anything else that could eat up the battery so fast |
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| 10:50.33 | crashanddie | maybe you just have a failing battery ? |
| 10:51.15 | TTilus | and its not only the battery but the fact that the damn thing has like total amnesia when battery dies, and it always first asks for time and date |
| 10:51.38 | TTilus | crashanddie: hum, batteries are cheap, should trie with another one |
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| 11:01.37 | roadies | mikko: GeneralAntillies and chelli: Before I sign off here, thanks very much for allthe help |
| 11:04.03 | mikkov_ | roadies: use the link that I sent (to roadie ;)) |
| 11:04.17 | mikkov_ | roadies: sorry old post ;) |
| 11:05.17 | chelli | roadies: no problem :) |
| 11:05.17 | roadies | mikkov_ not a problem... openvpn is downloaded via extras-devel.... building my cert's now..... thanks again |
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| 11:14.13 | liri | the clone OS script for a 2gb sd card uses the scheme of 128 swap, 128 fat and 128 for root partition. wouldn't it be more useful to create a 256mb swap partition? |
| 11:14.24 | liri | I would think 128mb for swap would not be enough |
| 11:14.59 | timely | um, how much ram do you have on your device? |
| 11:15.16 | timely | some linux configurations can't really do particularly well w/ more swap than ram |
| 11:15.22 | timely | and some user interfaces can't either |
| 11:16.13 | liri | it's an N810 so 128mb ram |
| 11:16.46 | zap | 256 won't be useful |
| 11:17.07 | liri | so 128mb of swap is enough/ideal? |
| 11:17.17 | zap | I'd say it's more than needed |
| 11:17.25 | zap | but not that much to worry |
| 11:17.25 | lcuk | no, 640kb is enough, more is ideal |
| 11:17.54 | liri | lcuk: heh, well said |
| 11:18.12 | liri | ok nice to know that 128mb would be ok |
| 11:18.31 | liri | I'm also wondering why is it required to have the 128mb fat for /media/mmc2 |
| 11:23.02 | Stskeeps | liri: maemo complains otherwise :P |
| 11:23.05 | Stskeeps | it can be less than 128 though |
| 11:26.12 | rm_you | suck, i have to ship my computer tomorrow >_> |
| 11:26.24 | rm_you | i'll be off and on for the next week as I travel |
| 11:26.49 | rm_you | is annoyed at the distinct lack of teleportation related technology |
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| 11:38.35 | lcuk | has a pair of time travelling trousers |
| 11:39.20 | timely | hrm |
| 11:39.33 | timely | anyone know why planet.maemo.org sends me to http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo// (note the second slash) |
| 11:39.59 | liri | Stskeeps: ahh ok |
| 11:40.04 | liri | Stskeeps: 128mb is fine :) |
| 11:40.18 | liri | Stskeeps: I'll give that clone os script a try, hope it doesn't do any harm to the current running os :) |
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| 12:03.05 | roadies | OK, your maemo developers are cool people ! I just downloaded the Apache webserver... what a cool thing, a web server on a tablet ! way way cool |
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| 12:07.20 | rm_you | wow, didn't know anyone had built apache for maemo <_< |
| 12:07.36 | rm_you | figured it was a bit heavy, would prolly go with something like lighttpd |
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| 12:22.29 | rm_you | bbl |
| 12:23.57 | Robot101 | rm_you: apache is smaller than gtk dude :P |
| 12:24.06 | rm_you | heh |
| 12:24.17 | rm_you | but compared to lighttpd or something similar? <_< |
| 12:24.49 | rm_you | sleeps |
| 12:25.03 | Robot101 | aye its bigger, but it'll still work fine |
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| 12:32.00 | GNUton | hi |
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| 12:45.57 | RST38h | rm_you: packrat is down again |
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| 13:45.06 | crashanddie | Hi, can anyone check if they have gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg and if not, can they use the camera app ? |
| 13:45.23 | crashanddie | because I don't have it, and I can't access the camera anymore |
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| 13:46.57 | qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie: which camera app? |
| 13:47.06 | crashanddie | erhm |
| 13:47.09 | crashanddie | "camera" ? |
| 13:47.12 | crashanddie | lol |
| 13:47.21 | crashanddie | you know, the one to take pictures with ? |
| 13:47.30 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe, i have "videocamera" |
| 13:47.32 | mikkov_ | i have it and camera app works |
| 13:49.06 | qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie: i don't have it and video camera works. run cameratest in a terminal |
| 13:49.25 | crashanddie | yeah, I get insertion problems with gstreamer |
| 13:50.06 | crashanddie | http://slexy.org/raw/s21hs3Ma1u |
| 13:50.55 | crashanddie | always good to see "cameratest[2563]: Should not come here --" in the debug output |
| 13:51.24 | qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie: that's odd. i don't have the ffmpeg thing installed |
| 13:52.20 | crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, http://slexy.org/raw/s20qHMEiuE |
| 13:52.29 | crashanddie | do you notice any difference with your NIT ? |
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| 13:53.55 | qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie: http://slexy.org/view/s2u6Z8fDy9 |
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| 13:56.10 | RST38h | "On the internet and in small meeting rooms in Britain and the US, flat earth believers get together to challenge the 'conspiracy' that the Earth is round.'" |
| 13:56.12 | RST38h | Mhm |
| 13:56.55 | RST38h | http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/ |
| 13:57.47 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: i'd click but i fear that link is stuck in the 1920's |
| 13:58.26 | lcuk | RST38h, :D are you gonna join us then |
| 13:59.00 | RST38h | no! |
| 13:59.05 | crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, I added some -extra gstreamer packages, but still same problem... Weird |
| 13:59.17 | RST38h | "What keeps the cylinder upright?" - their faq |
| 13:59.21 | qwerty12_N800 | I knew a northerner would support that... :p, always backward |
| 13:59.37 | crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, so you believe that when you're on holiday ? |
| 13:59.37 | qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie: :/ |
| 14:01.02 | lcuk | if the world is a sphere how come its not difficult to walk northerly? if we were round we would walk uphill |
| 14:01.27 | lcuk | might actually register at htis forum |
| 14:02.27 | crashanddie | ok... this is... bad... |
| 14:02.35 | crashanddie | I only found one reference to the error message I get.. |
| 14:02.37 | crashanddie | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?format=multiple&id=2119 |
| 14:02.47 | lcuk | just reflash and put apps on one by one |
| 14:02.48 | crashanddie | And that's because the 770 doesn't have a hardware camera :/ |
| 14:02.57 | lcuk | its not major serious "the earth is round" type panid |
| 14:02.58 | lcuk | c |
| 14:03.28 | crashanddie | the earth isn't round |
| 14:05.50 | lcuk | its "podgy" around the middle ;) |
| 14:06.30 | RST38h | try to argue with them that the earth is in fact concave |
| 14:06.40 | RST38h | with sun and moon at the middle |
| 14:08.30 | crashanddie | if you want highly religious guy to believe in astronomy |
| 14:08.59 | crashanddie | tell him the big bang *is* god, and that the whole universe comes from one central point, and that that point is god |
| 14:09.12 | aquatix | :) |
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| 14:09.28 | crashanddie | usually, it'll shut them up for a few minutes |
| 14:09.36 | crashanddie | enough to make a clean getaway |
| 14:09.41 | aquatix | ghehehe |
| 14:09.57 | crashanddie | timeless || timely ! NEED YOU |
| 14:10.20 | crashanddie | oh, nevermind, /me reflashes |
| 14:10.41 | RST38h | crash: it will not work |
| 14:10.52 | crashanddie | it won't ? |
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| 14:11.04 | RST38h | crash: eventually they will find inconsistencies between this view and the bible and burn you at a stake |
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| 14:11.10 | crashanddie | ah |
| 14:11.18 | crashanddie | I thought the reflashing wasn't going to work |
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| 14:11.42 | crashanddie | RST38h, yeah, may be so, but I'm a good runner, and I love a good fight :P |
| 14:12.44 | RST38h | then just ask 'em why their drink faux human blood during their rites |
| 14:13.04 | RST38h | and eat faux human flesh too |
| 14:13.41 | crashanddie | it's not human |
| 14:13.44 | crashanddie | that's the whole point |
| 14:13.47 | crashanddie | it's supposed to be divine |
| 14:14.08 | crashanddie | and that's why they eat low end potato chips, and sub par quality wine |
| 14:14.28 | crashanddie | OK WTF |
| 14:14.28 | crashanddie | Bootloader error log follows: |
| 14:14.28 | crashanddie | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:14.28 | crashanddie | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:15.47 | crashanddie | *phew* reflash worked |
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| 14:17.21 | lcuk | arghhhhhhhhhhh |
| 14:17.36 | lcuk | i think i just lost the end of my elbow |
| 14:17.45 | crashanddie | ouch |
| 14:17.48 | crashanddie | where is it ? |
| 14:17.59 | lcuk | ~lart chair being closer to desk than usual |
| 14:17.59 | infobot | makes a balloon animal out of chair being closer to desk than usual |
| 14:18.03 | qwerty12_N800 | spits out evidence |
| 14:19.51 | lcuk | i hope i didnt knock your teef out wiv my elbowe |
| 14:20.04 | lcuk | -e of course |
| 14:20.50 | qwerty12_N800 | nah, typical northerner, nothing there |
| 14:22.34 | lcuk | so many things to do, and all of them require brain effort |
| 14:22.49 | RST38h | crash: This reminds me of a joke where a jew tells the seller "I am not asking you what this fish is made of, I am asking you how much it costs" |
| 14:23.35 | crashanddie | lcuk, reflashed, no apps installed, camera still dead |
| 14:23.56 | lcuk | how are you testing camera? |
| 14:24.11 | crashanddie | either using liqbase, or by installing the camera app |
| 14:24.58 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: follow those pdfs on repairing the camera physically :> :D |
| 14:25.12 | crashanddie | RST38h, yeah... I remember a variation of that... Some guy wants to buy flowers for a chick, goes down to a woman selling flowers "Good day to you sir, how much for 4 dozens of red roses ?" "$250" "No, erhm, I meant, how much time do they need to grow" |
| 14:26.15 | lcuk | "hardware maintenance is outside our contract, if the peripheral is not working on a clean install using standard nokia signed applications and nothing else then you are out of luck |
| 14:26.57 | crashanddie | that's fucked up |
| 14:27.16 | lcuk | i dunno whats up wiv ur camera though, especially just after a flash it should all be nice and work unless something else is working |
| 14:27.50 | lcuk | something else is getting in the way rather |
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| 14:28.12 | lcuk | did you just reflash, install camera and test it |
| 14:28.18 | crashanddie | yup |
| 14:30.01 | lcuk | remove meory cards etc? |
| 14:30.04 | qwerty12_N800 | i dunno why rtcomm upgrade is fucking up: the version it wants is here : http://packages.collabora.co.uk/maemo/pool/user/t/telepathy-haze/ |
| 14:30.17 | crashanddie | lcuk... |
| 14:30.29 | lcuk | mmm |
| 14:30.52 | qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie: go a nokia authorised service center and tell them to run phoenix and choose the camera test |
| 14:31.09 | RST38h | maybe it has not got indexed yet? |
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| 14:31.35 | crashanddie | anyone know where the camera is mounted in the fs ? |
| 14:32.17 | qwerty12_N800 | mounted? tut tut, /dev/video0 |
| 14:32.32 | crashanddie | nothing |
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| 14:33.08 | qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie: it may have got disconnected inside, did your drop it? |
| 14:33.16 | qwerty12_N800 | *you |
| 14:33.57 | crashanddie | not that I know of |
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| 14:36.25 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: updated it myself with the deb and rtcomm 2.4 installed fine |
| 14:36.31 | crashanddie | :/ |
| 14:36.46 | crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, what's that phoenix shit ? |
| 14:37.06 | crashanddie | and where the hell is there an authorised service center in SE london ? |
| 14:38.52 | qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie: phoenix is an internal flasher for bb5 based products. i have a cracked copy but you need special nokia equipment to use it with an n8x0 :( |
| 14:39.10 | crashanddie | ok |
| 14:39.50 | qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie: nokia has a store locator on their site. my nearest one is in romford :/ |
| 14:40.13 | crashanddie | http://www.apps.nokia.co.uk/clubnokiaservice/ :/ |
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| 14:43.40 | crashanddie | shit |
| 14:43.46 | crashanddie | closest is halfway to waterloo |
| 14:43.54 | crashanddie | phuket |
| 14:47.28 | lcuk | crashanddie, many miles from you? |
| 14:47.49 | crashanddie | quite |
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| 14:50.56 | t_s_o | weird, if i use the power button to boot diablo while its turned of and charging i get a white screen. if i then hit the power button again i get the dialog way up in the upper right corner... |
| 14:52.58 | qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie: if you wanna have a go yourself, read original for the l1 + l2 and l3 + l4 n810 service guide |
| 14:53.02 | Stskeeps | t_s_o: does the charger icon move? |
| 14:53.08 | t_s_o | yes |
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| 14:53.16 | Stskeeps | powerlaunch installed by chance? |
| 14:53.22 | t_s_o | nope |
| 14:53.36 | t_s_o | stopped using it after i was told i could edit a file to get reboot in the native menu ;) |
| 14:54.01 | qwerty12_N800 | yeah, systemui.xml |
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| 14:55.06 | Stskeeps | i should really just uninstall that too.. i have some many bloody problems with it |
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| 14:55.58 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, yeah, my alarms and lock on bootup wouldn't work with that. someone should point Austin Che to the rtcomm repo :/ |
| 14:56.37 | Stskeeps | powerlaunch was good to get DSME info though |
| 14:57.28 | t_s_o | hmm, seems the diablo kernel could support the huawei E220 3G modem. that is, if it has usbserial compiled in... |
| 14:58.13 | qwerty12 | usbserial as module works fine |
| 15:00.14 | Stskeeps | i'd kill for a 3g modem with internal battery so it didn't drain too much usb power |
| 15:00.17 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 15:01.57 | t_s_o | qwerty12: i should have guessed that someone had tried it ;) |
| 15:02.12 | t_s_o | Stskeeps: thats known as a mobile phone :P |
| 15:02.49 | Stskeeps | t_s_o: yeah.. but in smaller size - i don't need a screen or a UI or keyboard |
| 15:03.14 | Stskeeps | if nokia sold something like that as accesory to n8x0, they'd get rich |
| 15:03.15 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 15:03.45 | Kegetys | well if you carry a phone anyway you might as well use that as the modem too |
| 15:04.24 | t_s_o | hmm, i know nokia have something like that but im not sure if its 3G enabled or have bluetooth... |
| 15:06.13 | t_s_o | or had, it seems to have dropped of their devices page (same page that still shows the 770 btw, weird) |
| 15:07.21 | t_s_o | ah, it was older then i recalled, and not 3G enabled. and discontinued for that matter... |
| 15:08.01 | pupnik | someone did pair a umts 3g modem with n800 and battery pack, iirc |
| 15:08.18 | pupnik | or maybe a 770 |
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| 15:31.07 | Proteous | 3g realy eats the juice |
| 15:34.06 | Proteous | I can keep my edge connection on all day, most phones will only run a UMTS connection for a few hours |
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| 15:36.19 | Proteous | proFontWindows is a cool font for irssi on the tablet |
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| 16:07.02 | RST38h | The West Virginia DMV granted a religious exemption to a a small group of West Virginia eschatophobes, who fear that digital storage of their drivers license photos is setting up a "mark of the beast" scenario. |
| 16:07.31 | RST38h | South Windsor police arrested Almighty Supremebeing Allah Thursday night... Almighty Supremebeing Allah, who lives in West Hartford, was accused of cocaine possession with intent to sell. |
| 16:08.36 | zap | crude but effective |
| 16:10.13 | RST38h | "A police investigation into the sexual assault and death of several sheep has been hampered because their main suspect has a twin brother who could also be behind the attacks" due to identical DNA. |
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| 16:10.51 | t_s_o | :S |
| 16:11.05 | qwerty12 | Some fucked people... |
| 16:11.23 | t_s_o | heh, something tells me the press loves to write about it... |
| 16:12.39 | pupnik | good to know Proteous - i wasn't aware umts took so much juice |
| 16:12.55 | pupnik | < pondering dropping the dsl |
| 16:13.27 | t_s_o | im guessing its related to the frequency used. from what i understand, there are plans to move umts to the gsm bands at some point... |
| 16:13.41 | t_s_o | dont know if there is any current phone that would support that tho... |
| 16:17.02 | Cptnodegard | since this is the biggest collection of linux geeks in my vicinity ATM, does anyone have anythign bads to say about the acer aspire one/linpus lite? |
| 16:19.57 | t_s_o | cant say as i have yet to get my hands on one. but i tried the linpus lite live cd, and it could not figure out my ati hardware... |
| 16:20.18 | Stskeeps | Cptnodegard: i loathe any acer machinery.. they're bloody impossible |
| 16:20.18 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:20.52 | Stskeeps | always had problem with their hardware |
| 16:21.34 | Cptnodegard | lol |
| 16:21.52 | Cptnodegard | well hardware issues wont be...an issue...with the aa1 as its made for it |
| 16:24.48 | qwerty12 | debates whether to put in the time to port the ck patches: http://members.optushome.com.au/ckolivas/kernel/ |
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| 16:33.08 | lbt | qwerty12: hi - have a look at https://wiki.maemo.org/Advanced_booting and see if I missed anything... |
| 16:33.35 | lbt | and I thought ck had stopped his kernel work? |
| 16:33.47 | pupnik | is linpus the worst distro name ever? |
| 16:34.27 | Stskeeps | anything involving pus in it's name is bad |
| 16:34.28 | Stskeeps | (puss) |
| 16:34.44 | lbt | oh I don't know about *anything* |
| 16:34.54 | qwerty12 | lbt: hi, You may want to make a note to remind the user to change MENU_2 in MENU_2_FBMODE="auto". rest seems fine. |
| 16:35.07 | qwerty12 | lbt: yeah, but his patches for 2.6.21 still work |
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| 16:39.07 | lbt | Chinook doesn't seem to want to boot from a Diablo initfs :( |
| 16:40.06 | qwerty12 | I used an chinook initfs on a diablo rootfs. To force mce not to shutdown the device, I had to enable no-lifeguard-reset |
| 16:40.11 | lbt | got the chinook fs mounted, init ran, the blue bar got 80% across - and then it freezes for 10secs and does an orderly shutdown |
| 16:40.26 | qwerty12 | Of course, wifi didn't work in diablo with an chinook initfs |
| 16:41.07 | lbt | that'd be OK - I just wanted to setup test environments |
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| 16:43.53 | lbt | can I set no-lifeguard-reset using the cal-tool(?) |
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| 16:44.24 | qwerty12 | no, flasher-3.0 only |
| 16:44.43 | qwerty12 | cal-tool can set some values but no-lifeguard-reset isn't one of them |
| 16:44.51 | lbt | 'k |
| 16:45.12 | Cptnodegard | Veggen, you wouldnt happen to know how to get a norwegian KB to work with USB? |
| 16:45.28 | lbt | do you think it is needed for the problem I described? |
| 16:46.26 | qwerty12 | Cptnodegard: can't you just plug it in? I believe bluetooth keyboard settings in control panel lets you change layout of usb keyboard. |
| 16:46.26 | t_s_o | hmm, it seems there is a rtcomm update out... |
| 16:46.26 | qwerty12 | lbt: it was for me |
| 16:46.26 | qwerty12 | t_s_o: forced an update, still can't tell what is new :/ |
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| 16:46.33 | t_s_o | seems its having trouble with haze... |
| 16:46.40 | t_s_o | telepathy-haze that is |
| 16:46.59 | qwerty12 | I installed -haze manually: http://packages.collabora.co.uk/maemo/pool/user/t/telepathy-haze/ |
| 16:47.14 | qwerty12 | after that, update worked |
| 16:49.44 | t_s_o | heh, my collabora entry was still set to chinook, i wonder if that could have an effect |
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| 16:50.02 | qwerty12 | I changed it to diablo, nothing changed |
| 16:50.19 | Cptnodegard | nice, worked, thanks qwerty12 :D |
| 16:50.29 | t_s_o | hmm, seems the chinook subdirs are set up different then the diablo one |
| 16:50.33 | qwerty12 | Cptnodegard: cool :) |
| 16:50.45 | t_s_o | diablo only has user, not haze and others like chinook |
| 16:51.20 | qwerty12 | Hmm, didn't see that, I'll add a duplicate entry for chinook |
| 16:52.33 | RST38h | t_s_o: Oh |
| 16:53.09 | t_s_o | heh, going diablo and user made a libpurple update show up as well ;) |
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| 16:53.31 | qwerty12 | is waiting for kernel with op_mode patch, rotation patch, brightness changing patch, 48Mhz mmc. japanese radio patch, musb fix patch to compile. I'll attack the ck patches tomorrow. |
| 16:53.48 | Cptnodegard | has ther ebeen a slution to the problem with USB kb dismount not re-emabling on screen kb? |
| 16:54.04 | zap | qwerty12: what is 'musb fix patch' ? |
| 16:54.36 | qwerty12 | zap: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3026 - I believe you already commented on it. Nothing to do with usbnet :( |
| 16:54.58 | qwerty12 | Cptnodegard: something about using gconf tool from personal menu to untick a value. I think its on planet maemo somewhere |
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| 16:55.40 | t_s_o | Cptnodegard: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=163217&postcount=17 |
| 16:55.52 | qwerty12 | Typical, forget one #endif and the whole thing stops :/ |
| 16:56.07 | lbt | qwerty12: so that didn't help - it just hung for longer unil I power cycled it... |
| 16:56.37 | qwerty12 | :( |
| 16:56.42 | lbt | ;( |
| 16:57.50 | t_s_o | ah, never mind. seems you had allready seen that thread, and your question about a solution was more a question about a final fix from nokia or similar |
| 16:58.16 | Cptnodegard | thank you qwerty12 and t_s_o! if i were to add a item to personal-launch with the command for enabling the KB, would that work? |
| 16:58.48 | qwerty12 | Cptnodegard: yep, it should do. I know people use it with osso-statusbar-cpu fine |
| 16:58.54 | t_s_o | think so, yes. never tried as i use the graphical gconf editor to fix it if it happens :P |
| 16:59.10 | qwerty12 | True, I use gconf-editor too :P |
| 16:59.33 | t_s_o | basically i have not seen it happen enough to warrant its own icon in launcher |
| 17:00.16 | Cptnodegard | it happens everytime if you use USB kb, at least with me |
| 17:00.21 | qwerty12 | trickie: this would be a nice thing in community kernels: http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/06/02/feel-the-power-of-usb-with-nokia-tablet/ |
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| 17:01.57 | trickie | qwerty12: make a patch for me? |
| 17:01.59 | Cptnodegard | do i have to check "run in terminal" then? |
| 17:02.05 | Cptnodegard | for it to work |
| 17:02.25 | trickie | qwerty12: im lazy, don't have the sources atm |
| 17:02.41 | qwerty12 | trickie: I can try, my diff skills are weird |
| 17:02.53 | qwerty12 | Cptnodegard: shouldn't need to, gconftool doesn't require user input |
| 17:03.06 | t_s_o | hmm, a modest update as well. there goes the multiaccount gui i guess :S |
| 17:03.22 | dannym | hi :) |
| 17:03.34 | qwerty12 | hello dannym |
| 17:03.58 | dannym | qwerty12: ah, hi :) |
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| 17:04.31 | t_s_o | Cptnodegard: if your using a usb keyboard, make sure to unplug the keyboard from the converter before you unplug that from the tablet |
| 17:04.31 | dannym | qwerty12: I was wondering, what's the difference between the "usb_modeswitch" you ported and the (Option) "rezero" program? |
| 17:04.41 | trickie | qwerty12: no worries, i can do it later |
| 17:04.45 | dannym | qwerty12: Is "usb_modeswitch" more generic or something? |
| 17:05.15 | qwerty12 | trickie: sorry. last time I tried, I had a patch that wouldn't apply. :( |
| 17:05.22 | qwerty12 | dannym: I think so, lemme see |
| 17:05.47 | qwerty12 | "This utility works differently to the excellent usb_modeswitch, it supports only the Option devices and it will support multiple Option devices. " |
| 17:06.22 | qwerty12 | t_s_o: I wouldn't update modest. It's the same version number. |
| 17:06.45 | t_s_o | hmm, ok? seems it found it impossible to update anyways... |
| 17:06.54 | Cptnodegard | wohoohohohohohoh it work s:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D thanks again people, youre lifesavers (actually $800 savers as i dont need a aspire one now) |
| 17:07.18 | qwerty12 | Cptnodegard: lol, you were going to buy an aspire to use an usb keyboard? :D |
| 17:07.32 | t_s_o | bah, i keep having chinook overlaps :S |
| 17:07.53 | t_s_o | i should really clean out my repo list |
| 17:08.00 | GeneralAntilles | lbt, == Section == is the top level section header, not = Section = |
| 17:08.19 | dannym | qwerty12: I see... hmm, might make sense to use usb_modeswitch then (and put it into a package of its own) rather than hacking up the new HSO debian package with rezero :) |
| 17:08.42 | Cptnodegard | qwerty12: no to get a working norwegian keyboard and not have to reboot the device to switch back. yes, i know, bad reason to spend that much money but ive made $1520 at work this work instead of taking my vacation so i want a need toy ragardless |
| 17:09.08 | qwerty12 | Cptnodegard: Ah :) |
| 17:09.09 | Cptnodegard | work = week |
| 17:09.10 | dannym | qwerty12: I registered garage project "modem" (and SVN directory).. do you want to put yuor "usb_modeswitch" there, too? |
| 17:09.11 | lbt | GeneralAntilles: OK |
| 17:09.12 | dannym | your* |
| 17:09.16 | t_s_o | seems changing my modest repo from chinook to diablo made the modest update go away. guess its there for those that still want to use chinook |
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| 17:09.43 | qwerty12 | dannym: sure, I can put usb_modeswitch there sometime. Do you think I should package it? |
| 17:10.08 | GeneralAntilles | Gb == Gigabits |
| 17:10.29 | RST38h | Should I install Collabora's version of Pidgin or should I stay away from the sucker? |
| 17:10.30 | dannym | qwerty12: yeah, it would be nice to eventually have everything in a nice normal Extras debian binary package... :) |
| 17:10.34 | RST38h | It is 20+MB |
| 17:10.42 | RST38h | The original one is just 5+MB |
| 17:11.13 | dannym | qwerty12: and I think since "usb_modeswitch" is pretty generic it should go into its own package (since otherwise there would be conflicts if multiple drivers tried to install the same file :D) |
| 17:11.44 | qwerty12 | dannym: yeah :D |
| 17:11.57 | qwerty12 | I'll see if debian carry a package first, save me time :P |
| 17:12.19 | t_s_o | ah, i see now. as modest is part of the firmware now, there is no need for the modest repo outside of chinook. stupid me... |
| 17:12.33 | qwerty12 | Ugh, I have to use such an ugly hack to unmount my mmc :( |
| 17:13.16 | dannym | does anyone else have trouble after doing "apt-get update" in scratchbox (chinook) ? |
| 17:13.43 | lbt | dannym: just recently - or ever? |
| 17:13.57 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, Pidgin or rtcomm? |
| 17:13.58 | dannym | recently... |
| 17:14.27 | lbt | lemmesee |
| 17:15.08 | dannym | a few days ago I updated (first time for a long time) and now I got a file fight between package "debianutils" and "passwd" for file "/usr/sbin/add-shell" ... |
| 17:15.27 | dannym | (or is there a "diablo" scratchbox repository? I'm not insisting on using "chinook" ;)) |
| 17:16.01 | dannym | (and once there is any file conflict, apt-get seems to refuse to do anything until the conflict is fixed... :() |
| 17:16.19 | RST38h | GAN: Pidgin |
| 17:16.28 | RST38h | I installed new RTComm already |
| 17:17.15 | lbt | mine seems OK |
| 17:17.54 | dannym | lbt: what does "dpkg -S /usr/sbin/add-shell" say for your Scratchbox? |
| 17:18.20 | qwerty12 | dannym: diablo sdk scratchbox: debianutils: /usr/sbin/add-shell |
| 17:18.22 | lbt | I think it would be nice to see a wiki page showing the various sources.list entries that should be setup for scratchboxes |
| 17:18.36 | lbt | debianutils: /usr/sbin/add-shell |
| 17:18.47 | lbt | (CHINOOK_ARMEL btw) |
| 17:18.59 | qwerty12 | dannym: this will take some time. usb_modeswitch doesn't use makefile but "compile.sh" script. I will make a quick Makefile |
| 17:19.22 | dannym | qwerty12: hmm... what's the "sources.list" for diablo sdk scratchbox? last time I tried to put "diablo" there it said it didn't exist... |
| 17:19.52 | lbt | yeah - that's why a wiki page would be nice... |
| 17:20.01 | lbt | WTF is it this week |
| 17:20.22 | qwerty12 | dannym: http://slexy.org/view/s2IPQ9vrlG |
| 17:21.01 | dannym | qwerty12: yeah, no hurry... as you can see my build env is botchered for some reason and so having a proper modem autocompilable driver package will take some time anyway :) |
| 17:21.21 | qwerty12 | :) |
| 17:21.38 | qwerty12 | steals lcuk's Makefile |
| 17:21.42 | dannym | hehehe |
| 17:22.16 | dannym | steals qwery12's pastebin text and puts it on a new wiki page |
| 17:22.32 | lcuk | !oi |
| 17:22.42 | qwerty12 | dannym: lol |
| 17:22.46 | qwerty12 | lcuk: :p |
| 17:22.47 | lcuk | that make file has special sauce |
| 17:23.02 | lbt | too late - it's GPL ! |
| 17:23.04 | lcuk | thanks for adding it qwerty12 |
| 17:23.08 | qwerty12 | lcuk: I'm ripping it out, all this program needs is gcc -l usb -o usb_modeswitch usb_modeswitch.c :P |
| 17:23.12 | qwerty12 | lcuk: np :) |
| 17:23.19 | lcuk | lol lbt, qwerty12 has already added stuff |
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| 17:34.19 | dannym | <http://wiki.maemo.org/Scratchbox_Maemo_Repositories> |
| 17:35.27 | qwerty12_N800 | dannym: "deb file:/home/*faheem*/maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_4.1 diablo explicit" ;) |
| 17:36.25 | lbt | I'm very close on this: https://wiki.maemo.org/Advanced_booting#Multi-boot but I'm stuck. If anyone else cares about setting up a multiboot test environment then please take a look :) |
| 17:36.27 | dannym | qwerty12_N800: yeah, saw that just now ;) removing the line :) |
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| 17:36.45 | dannym | qwerty12_N800: thanks ^^ |
| 17:36.56 | qwerty12_N800 | dannym: np :) |
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| 17:38.38 | zach_ | anyone know how to format an sd card? |
| 17:39.39 | dannym | zach_: um... no, it's not magnetic :) but you can create a new filesystem with "mkfs" on one of its partitions or something... |
| 17:39.47 | dannym | {/nitpicky} |
| 17:39.50 | dannym | hides |
| 17:40.00 | lbt | https://wiki.maemo.org/Partitioning_a_flash_card |
| 17:40.41 | qwerty12_N800 | the file manager can do it, if you are formatting it to ext* then resort to the command line |
| 17:42.25 | qwerty12_N800 | makefile variables are there to drive me crazy |
| 17:42.57 | dannym | qwerty12_N800: hehe, try MSVC nmake... you'll be ready to throw the computer out of the window in no time :-> |
| 17:43.17 | qwerty12_N800 | lol |
| 17:43.22 | lcuk | you need to undefine NORTHERNGRIT before trying to deploy it. infact, you could just use the southern_jessie target |
| 17:44.24 | dannym | oh great. I can't dist-upgrade before fixing the file fight either :( |
| 17:44.49 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: at least in the south i'm prepared to use diablo_armel :p |
| 17:45.09 | lcuk | is happy with his helicopter OS |
| 17:45.13 | dannym | lbt: What does your Scratchbox say about "dpkg -l passwd"? |
| 17:45.21 | qwerty12_N800 | dannym: post your error messages |
| 17:46.05 | lbt | ii passwd 4.0.3-31sarge5.osso8 change and administer password and group data |
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| 17:46.29 | t_s_o | hmm, seems that while the modest package has a slight number bump, i cant get it to update... |
| 17:46.43 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: ... until it crashes |
| 17:46.52 | dannym | qwerty12_N800: <http://wiki.maemo.org/Scratchbox_Maemo_Repositories#Warning> |
| 17:47.13 | t_s_o | crap, now i see why... |
| 17:47.16 | t_s_o | stupid me |
| 17:47.18 | qwerty12_N800 | dannym: quick fix is coming up |
| 17:47.35 | lcuk | qwerty12_N800, the only thing i can do to make it crash is code liqbase badly |
| 17:48.08 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: i assume that's always happening? |
| 17:48.25 | lcuk | heh, no |
| 17:48.45 | dannym | lbt: mine says "ii passwd 4.0.3-31sarge5.osso change and administer password and group data"... |
| 17:49.01 | dannym | lbt: looks like it's cutting my field? or does it? *wonders* |
| 17:49.05 | lcuk | dannym, you anret in sb then? just regular console? |
| 17:49.06 | t_s_o | heh, even using apt-get it didnt work. conflict with modest-l10n |
| 17:50.00 | dannym | lcuk: in the console in Scratchbox. My host system is Gentoo so I can't really confuse them ;) |
| 17:50.16 | lcuk | dannym, dont worry its my eyes that need upgrading |
| 17:50.37 | qwerty12_N800 | dannym: apt-get install passwd; dpkg -i --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/passwd_1%3a4.0.3-31sarge5.osso7_i386.deb; apt-get install --reinstall debianutils |
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| 17:51.36 | qwerty12_N800 | you may need to do dpkg -i --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/debianutils<tab> after the --REINSTALL |
| 17:51.45 | qwerty12_N800 | *--reinstall |
| 17:52.00 | qwerty12_N800 | ~lart hildon-input-method |
| 17:52.00 | infobot | strangles hildon-input-method with a 9-pole serial cable |
| 17:53.09 | t_s_o | :P |
| 17:54.08 | RST38h | again, again please! |
| 17:54.16 | RST38h | until it is dead! |
| 17:55.05 | lcuk | wont that raise neck_break() events? |
| 17:55.06 | dannym | hehehe |
| 17:56.05 | RST38h | lcuk: events be damned |
| 18:00.39 | zach_ | hmm "apt-get install e2fsprogs"..it says it may be obsolete or availiable from another source |
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| 18:01.44 | qwerty12_N800 | dannym: got the Makefile sorted. just need to fix the install: section and remove the northerner stuff :p |
| 18:02.52 | dannym | qwerty12_N800: cool :) |
| 18:03.21 | dannym | (*mumbles* what's a northerner?) |
| 18:03.50 | qwerty12_N800 | dannym: lcuk :D |
| 18:04.03 | lbt | he's not alone you know |
| 18:04.11 | lbt | damned pansy suverners |
| 18:06.00 | dannym | weeeird :) |
| 18:06.19 | qwerty12_N800 | yep they are :p |
| 18:06.35 | qwerty12_N800 | pretends i'm not from w.yorkshire |
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| 18:08.52 | dannym | pretends he's not from Wien :) |
| 18:09.14 | qwerty12_N800 | Thats Vienna right? |
| 18:09.28 | qwerty12_N800 | well in English afaik |
| 18:09.50 | RST38h | Should be Vienna... |
| 18:09.54 | dannym | qwerty12_N800: yep :) although I usually don't say that anymore because there's a "Vienna" in the US or something ;) |
| 18:10.34 | dannym | qwerty12_N800: found out my typing "Vienna" in Google Maps and it telling me like 8013km... "swim across the atlantic" ;) |
| 18:10.37 | RST38h | Washington DC suburb |
| 18:10.43 | qwerty12_N800 | dannym: :), lol |
| 18:10.46 | RST38h | been there |
| 18:10.47 | dannym | by* |
| 18:11.26 | dannym | RST38h: oic :) |
| 18:11.26 | pupnik | dannym: do you like Wien? anything to recommend it as a place to live? |
| 18:11.45 | pupnik | is considering moving there |
| 18:12.39 | dannym | pupnik: depends on the district... it's huge... (overall I like it) |
| 18:13.06 | pupnik | i had a chance to see the huge t-systems building, but not much else |
| 18:13.18 | RST38h | just remembers marzipan chocolate bars from his short visit to Wien airport |
| 18:13.38 | RST38h | Those were good though =) |
| 18:15.13 | dannym | pupnik: didn't see the Prater yet? :) The original rollercoaster rides and other puke-inducing (the good kind) attractions ... check it out ;) |
| 18:16.22 | zach_ | Is it possible to format an sd card via usb on a desktop from a n800? |
| 18:17.48 | dannym | zach_: you mean the SD card is in the N800 and the N800 is in device mode, connected to the PC... and you want the PC to "format" it? |
| 18:17.58 | zach_ | i mounted my n800 on my desktop...umounted and did "mkdosfs /dev/sdcard" |
| 18:18.05 | zach_ | on my desktop |
| 18:18.17 | dannym | zach_: yeah, should work. |
| 18:18.33 | zach_ | it did...it deleted my files and shows up as "vfat" |
| 18:18.34 | dannym | zach_: (I never tried without partitions btw) |
| 18:18.42 | zach_ | but... |
| 18:19.30 | qwerty12_N800 | will dh_make usb_modeswitch tomorrow, and if it works, send off the Makefile to the original author |
| 18:19.31 | zach_ | when the sd card is mounted on my n800..(it is 2gb)..it shows up as 120mb and none of my files |
| 18:19.50 | zach_ | are shown on it |
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| 18:20.42 | dannym | zach_: weird... is it an SDHC card? What does "dmesg" say it found? |
| 18:20.46 | dannym | zach_: (on the N800) |
| 18:20.59 | zach_ | no not a sdhc..just a little sd micro |
| 18:24.13 | dannym | has a 2GB Kingston RS-MMC with an adapter next to the N800 battery, works fine (all 2GB) with both Chinook and Diablo |
| 18:25.06 | zach_ | well i cloned os2008 on mine so that i could install KDE |
| 18:26.52 | qwerty12_N800 | hopes uk police broadcast on japanese fm radio frequencies |
| 18:27.02 | dannym | zach_: check "dmesg" output whether it's already misdetecting the device itself or whether it's messing up the filesystem. |
| 18:27.28 | dannym | pupnik: Wien has a lot of trees and clean water (very clean water) and as such doesn't feel as "concrete desert" as, say, [parts of] Munich... |
| 18:28.10 | dannym | pupnik: note that a lot of buildings are old (as in OOOLD) so be careful when choosing a residence :D |
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| 18:31.09 | zach_ | dannym, dmesg doesn't anything about it o.o |
| 18:31.33 | zach_ | well |
| 18:31.39 | zach_ | a little bit but nothing useful |
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| 18:32.22 | dannym | zach_: then check /sys/block/<whatever_device_it_is>/size |
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| 18:35.42 | qwerty12_N800 | http://sds.hpvisualradio.com/sdsweb/Search.do - where the nokia fmradio gets its channel list from |
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| 18:54.21 | qwerty12_N800 | ok, now i know my router isn't dodgy in regards to ssh. i just tried sshing into my account at a webhost and it stays stuck forever after entering the password. on my desktop, sshing there works. when i ssh to my tablet from my desktop, it gets stuck on the password |
| 18:56.02 | lbt | ssh -vvv <host> |
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| 18:58.51 | qwerty12_N800 | ta, after entering password: http://slexy.org/view/s2PYQ4piBh |
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| 19:01.09 | qwerty12_N800 | now i'm getting debug2: client_check_window_change: changed and debug2: channel 0: request window-change confirm 0 repeatedly |
| 19:01.23 | lbt | you get : debug2: channel 0: request shell confirm 0 |
| 19:01.33 | lbt | on success I get: debug2: channel 0: request shell confirm 1 |
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| 19:02.17 | lbt | my last few debugs b4 sucess http://slexy.org/view/s20gOHRdS6 |
| 19:02.30 | qwerty12_N800 | thanks |
| 19:03.30 | lbt | like this : http://slexy.org/view/s20jtIngWg |
| 19:03.44 | lbt | I get that when I resize the 'xterm' window |
| 19:04.16 | lbt | it stops when I stop resizing |
| 19:07.40 | qwerty12_N800 | i think those resizing messages may be when hildon-input-method pops up. but it gives up after: debug2: channel 0: open confirm rwindow 0 rmax 32768 |
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| 19:12.31 | lbt | http://www.networksecurityarchive.org/html/Secure-Shell/2007-01/msg00038.html |
| 19:12.37 | lbt | running out of ptys? |
| 19:13.01 | lbt | that's a kernel config that I've been bitten on b4 |
| 19:14.13 | qwerty12_N800 | it shouldn't be. i've googled and it seems to be an dns error as sshing in from the tablet to 127.0.0.1 works (although not from my computer to tablet) |
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| 19:16.22 | acydlord | holy snap, a Ti flash is like $160 |
| 19:16.30 | acydlord | flask^ |
| 19:22.45 | dannym | ok, dist-upgraded to Diablo... and now: |
| 19:22.48 | dannym | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/passwd_1%3a4.0.3-31sarge5.osso8_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 19:22.48 | dannym | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.01 | dannym | how... new... *bangs head on keyboard* |
| 19:24.18 | dannym | (fixed it the same way as before :)) |
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| 19:29.10 | liri | what key is to be pressed and hold to access the boot menu? it's running so fast I couldn't read it |
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| 19:37.38 | qwerty12_N800 | openssh is still pissing me around. i've disabled dnsmasq to no avail. i'll build a proper openssh from cvs tommorow |
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| 19:54.31 | GeneralAntilles | liri, the menu key |
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| 20:05.28 | liri | GeneralAntilles: thanks, got it :) |
| 20:06.04 | liri | GeneralAntilles: I've set with cal-tool ask:mmc2 although I want to remove the boot menu itself (it's there for 30 seconds and that's too long for me) but leave the default mmc2 root partition |
| 20:06.12 | liri | GeneralAntilles: any pointers on that? |
| 20:06.23 | Cptnodegard | does abiword read .doc? |
| 20:07.46 | dannym | Cptnodegard: depends on which ".doc". There are about 5 formats (that I know) that have ".doc" as file name ending. |
| 20:08.12 | dannym | Cptnodegard: try "file -bi whatever.doc" and see what it says :) |
| 20:08.44 | liri | is it just required to change the timeout option in /mnt/initfs/bootmenu.sh ? |
| 20:09.39 | liri | ahh, it's a read-only filesystem too |
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| 20:11.29 | t_s_o | so, given the new modest package for chinook, is there some updates for diablo right around the corner? |
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| 20:13.32 | RST38bis | you should ask nokia that |
| 20:13.34 | liri | ok got that boot menu resolved |
| 20:13.58 | t_s_o | RST38bis: heh, true |
| 20:15.09 | RST38bis | last thing i know, they have blamed modest crashes and hangups on a kernel problem |
| 20:15.11 | Cptnodegard | dannym, whatever word 2003 spits out by default. |
| 20:16.08 | Stskeeps | RST38bis: is Modest like heavily threaded or something? |
| 20:16.24 | RST38bis | yep |
| 20:16.26 | dannym | Cptnodegard: I've no idea, I'm afraid... try it :) |
| 20:16.35 | RST38bis | using futexes too |
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| 20:17.14 | Cptnodegard | just did, just got a lot of ?????????'s |
| 20:17.20 | Stskeeps | what happened to good old single threaded programs and poll().. |
| 20:17.37 | Stskeeps | after using thunderbird and modest for a bit, i feel like going back to using mutt |
| 20:17.37 | RST38bis | i made a suggestion to use software semaphores or some other mechanism and got brushed off |
| 20:18.24 | t_s_o | Stskeeps: im tempted to reply that they where pushed out to pasture... |
| 20:18.24 | RST38bis | and futexes are not properly implemented on arm |
| 20:20.22 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 20:21.19 | Stskeeps | and yeah, why not just use pthread semaphores :P |
| 20:21.56 | Stskeeps | which reminds me.. where the hell is my pthreads book |
| 20:22.08 | Stskeeps | ah, there |
| 20:22.08 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:26.22 | liri | I previously saw that the N810 detected one of my laptop shares on the network, I think in the File Manager but I can't find it again |
| 20:27.24 | zap | hmm... just noticed that diablo/control in kernel source packags says "Flashable Linux kernel for RX-34, RX-44, RX-48 hardware" |
| 20:28.11 | zap | bah, debian/control not diablo/control :) |
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| 20:35.14 | dannym | finally, after 2 days and about 200 commands, "cdbs" is installed and I can use "dpkg-buildpackage". phiiew.. |
| 20:35.44 | Stskeeps | ow, isaac hayes/Chef died :( |
| 20:36.07 | dannym | thanks lbt, qwerty12, lcuk :) |
| 20:36.22 | dannym | will try to get some sleep now for a change :) |
| 20:38.33 | zap | cdbs rulez |
| 20:39.03 | zap | was it any more complex than just apt-get install cdbs? |
| 20:39.36 | dannym | zap: yeah, Scratchbox decided to bork on me. |
| 20:39.41 | dannym | zap: see <http://wiki.maemo.org/Scratchbox_Maemo_Repositories> |
| 20:39.51 | dannym | oh well, at least I have Diablo on Scratchbox now :) |
| 20:41.00 | dannym | zap: and I reinstalled the devkits, including a 300MB or something doctools devkit (for "xsltproc") via a 12KByte/sec line for the rest of MUD to work. |
| 20:41.21 | dannym | zap: almost painful... ;) |
| 20:41.23 | zap | oh yes :) |
| 20:41.29 | zap | lots of fun |
| 20:42.58 | GAN800 | liri, bootmenu.conf |
| 20:43.00 | dannym | zap: I have to see the positive side, at least I didn't have to refetch the rest of Scratchbox... :-> |
| 20:43.11 | GAN800 | Just set the timeout to zero |
| 20:43.27 | GAN800 | Refer to the README |
| 20:43.57 | liri | GAN800: thanks I already got it resolved with the command option |
| 20:59.20 | zap | Anybody knows how I can find out the version of a certain installed package? |
| 20:59.41 | zap | I need the "Version:" field of the "dpkg -s" output |
| 21:00.07 | zap | (and I know I can filter dpkg -s through sed, but I'm looking for easier solutions) |
| 21:03.17 | blafasel | zap: apt-cache policy packagenamehere? |
| 21:03.20 | blafasel | Does that help? |
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| 21:04.28 | zap | no |
| 21:04.48 | zap | policy says a lot of not-needed things, I need just a string like "1.2.3-maemo3" |
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| 21:07.52 | lcuk | omg. the killed chef. the bastards. |
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| 21:10.31 | blafasel | zap: Sorry then. I thought the version was part of the policy output. |
| 21:13.35 | mikkov_ | zap: dpkg-query -W -f='${Version}\n' dpkg |
| 21:14.01 | chelli | mikkov_: you were 1 sec faster than me ;-) |
| 21:14.13 | zap | oh my :) |
| 21:14.22 | mikkov_ | :) |
| 21:14.54 | chelli | mikkov_: i just needed to figure out the options from the manpage ;-) |
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| 21:16.20 | mikkov_ | chelli: manpage is misleading in one point: it needs '' , "" doesn't work :) |
| 21:16.58 | chelli | LC_ALL=C apt-cache policy dpkg | grep "Installed:" | awk {'print $2'} would do the trick too, but dpkg-query is of cource a lot better ;-) |
| 21:17.26 | chelli | mikkov_: yes, i also saw this, but the example in the manpage used '' already :) |
| 21:18.18 | mikkov_ | chelli: I first read manpage from web which didn't have exact example |
| 21:18.44 | chelli | :) |
| 21:20.05 | GAN800 | lol, lcuk, just getting to season 10? |
| 21:20.52 | lcuk | no GAN800, isaac hayes was found dead :( tis in the news |
| 21:21.02 | GAN800 | oh really? |
| 21:21.09 | lcuk | ya rly |
| 21:22.01 | mikkov_ | is there a way to upload packages to chinook non-free? |
| 21:22.07 | acydlord | not a good weak to be a black entertainer |
| 21:23.09 | lcuk | whats race or popularity gotta do with it? people die every day :( |
| 21:26.45 | liri | The RSS feed reader rejected 3 rss sources I gave it |
| 21:27.04 | liri | I'm guessing because of the language which kinda suck. has anyone experienced something like that? |
| 21:27.46 | acydlord | just saying, cause bernie mac went, and then issac hayes |
| 21:27.52 | acydlord | and i cant spell |
| 21:28.31 | lcuk | i dont think you are alone spelling wise |
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| 21:36.31 | mikkov_ | chelli: are you debian vdr maintainer? |
| 21:40.50 | mikkov_ | chelli: nm, i'm using e-tobi.net version |
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| 23:24.55 | mranostay | is there any patches that allow hildon-desktop to be used on a machine without a touchscreen? |
| 23:25.06 | mranostay | basically for nav on the home screen |
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