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| 01:36.15 | pupnik | the state is never innocent |
| 01:53.58 | Toba | true |
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| 03:09.36 | rm_you | hrm, super tempting: http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Linksys-SLM2024-10-100-1000-Gigabit-24-port-Switch_W0QQitemZ270261273592QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item270261273592&_trkparms=72%3A1077%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14.l1308 |
| 03:32.09 | GeneralAntilles | What in the world would you do with a 24-port switch? |
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| 03:35.30 | lpotter | hook up a bunch of different boxes |
| 03:40.30 | GeneralAntilles | Well, duh |
| 03:40.40 | GeneralAntilles | But there's no way he has more than 10 of those. :P |
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| 03:49.43 | GreyFoxx | 24 ports can shrink faster than you might expect. I'm using like 20 ports out of my 24 port :) |
| 03:58.30 | pupnik | <stupid joke censored> |
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| 04:03.00 | Andrewfblack | Hello |
| 04:05.09 | bef0rd | hai |
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| 04:31.00 | Andrewfblack_ | hey is the kernal flasher something that runs on your tablet or a PC? |
| 04:31.46 | pupnik | pc normly |
| 04:33.13 | GeneralAntilles | Well, there is a flasher on the tablet for kernel and initfs |
| 04:33.14 | Andrewfblack_ | I don't think I will ever get rotation to work :) |
| 04:34.13 | GeneralAntilles | It involves installing a couple packages and a kernel. . . . |
| 04:34.36 | Andrewfblack_ | I've installed everything it has to install and downloaded the kernal |
| 04:34.50 | Andrewfblack_ | just get flash the kernal |
| 04:34.58 | Andrewfblack_ | just can't flash it I mean |
| 04:35.09 | GeneralAntilles | fiasco-flasher -k <zImage> -f |
| 04:35.33 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12 or jott will put together a package to handle it all soon enough, |
| 04:38.55 | smackpotato | hows screen rotation working out for everybody. i cant think of anything to do with it |
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| 04:45.50 | Andrewfblack_ | lol well I got it to flash the kernal but now it wont boot |
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| 04:50.52 | Andrewfblack_ | well its late and I need to reflash tablet again now lol later |
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| 07:38.00 | chelli | zap: are you there? |
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| 07:46.45 | zap | yes |
| 07:47.52 | zap | chelli: wanted to ask something? |
| 07:48.07 | zap | oh cool, builder is clear from old cruft |
| 07:48.37 | chelli | zap: could you please try to upload unzip and unrar-nonfree with increased version numbers again, because it is a little bit annoying that they are uninstallable in extras-devel, please see also: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3488 |
| 07:49.20 | chelli | zap: especially look at comment #1 from Niels |
| 07:50.00 | zap | ah, thats why it isn't in Packages |
| 07:50.05 | zap | this sucks indeed |
| 07:50.22 | zap | I don't want to increase version number just because there was some bug in autobuilder :-( |
| 07:51.05 | chelli | zap: as far as i can see, you uploaded the same version of unzip 6 times, you ot 4 times an ok, and i am pretty much sure that it is uninstallable sine it was built sucessfully the second time |
| 07:51.48 | zap | there were some very minor tweaks |
| 07:51.56 | chelli | zap: it is no bug in the autobuilder, you should allways!!!! increase the revision number when you upload a package that was built sucessfuly before |
| 07:52.49 | chelli | zap: in case of unzip, it should just be 5.52-14-maemo4 then |
| 07:52.50 | zap | I thought extras-devel was a special repository where you can fix build/compatibility and other packaging issues |
| 07:53.10 | zap | I'll use my own repository for this then |
| 07:54.28 | chelli | zap: yes, local testing without increasig the revision number should be fine, but on public repositories you should always increase the revision if you make a change, no matter how small this change might be |
| 07:55.09 | zap | I was imagining extras-devel as a non-public (for end-users) repository |
| 07:55.19 | zap | but I see your point |
| 07:57.50 | chelli | zap, not really, extras-devel is for developing and testing, but if a package is uninstallable, this hurts everyone who has your package installed and is using extras-devel, i also believe that a big number of end-users is using this repository too |
| 07:58.54 | moontiger | i thought extras-devel had to contain only installable stuff? |
| 07:59.24 | chelli | zap: my opinion is that it should not matter if a totally broken package gets into extras-devel, as long as the maintainer cares and fixes the problem in a relatively short amount of time ;-) |
| 08:00.18 | zap | and even in a not-very-short too |
| 08:00.42 | zap | installing unknown packages from extras-devel is a risk on your own |
| 08:00.59 | chelli | moontiger: yes, it should, but afaik there are no automated test that really verify the installability of a package before it gets into extras-devel |
| 08:02.11 | moontiger | im a bit new to this but i thought that if a packages dependencies were met then it should be installable no? |
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| 08:03.27 | chelli | zap: of course end-users using this repository should be aware of possible problems, but other developers should be aware that packages in extras-devel might be build-dependencies for packages from other people, so a broken package in extras-devel might also break building for other packages too, and this is a far bigger problem than only one broken package itself |
| 08:03.42 | zap | ok |
| 08:04.45 | zap | X-Fade: are you here? |
| 08:04.47 | moontiger | would it be safe to say that it is best to depend only on known packages or other packages that you know to be good? |
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| 08:05.42 | zap | moontiger: someone may upload a broken 'package that you know to be good' together with your upload |
| 08:06.03 | moontiger | zap: right ... yes i see |
| 08:06.37 | moontiger | i also see how having an automatic checking tool would be tricky too as the target is always moving |
| 08:07.09 | chelli | zap: yes, and ths is also a reason for increasing the reision numbers, otherwise it is nearly impossible to distinguish a package(-version) that is known to be goog from a broken one ;-) |
| 08:07.18 | zap | the best thing would be to upload your own packages, on which nobody depends :) |
| 08:07.33 | chelli | :) |
| 08:07.53 | zap | but in my case unzip IS a package on which my package depends ;) |
| 08:08.10 | moontiger | isnt that getting towards the windows dev model where all apps are huge monoliths that include everything they need? |
| 08:08.59 | zap | no, it's just taking into account the problems that can arise because of the inverse model |
| 08:09.12 | moontiger | right ... of course |
| 08:09.40 | moontiger | but how can we stop someone taking a package that we depend on (and have even written maybe) and modifying it and re-uploading it? |
| 08:10.19 | zap | we don't stop him, we bug him until he gets it fixed |
| 08:10.52 | moontiger | or fix it ourselves i guess if it was from us originally ... as you say better to rely on your own stuff |
| 08:10.55 | moontiger | if possible |
| 08:10.57 | chelli | well, packages might include all stuff they need to build, even if there are separate packages for it but at least in Debian this usually leads to a so called Release-Critical-Bug |
| 08:11.12 | moontiger | right |
| 08:11.55 | zap | and in debian gzip package depends in mingw32 %-O |
| 08:12.01 | zap | s/in/on/ |
| 08:12.15 | zap | dumb infobot |
| 08:12.24 | chelli | nice feature :) |
| 08:12.42 | zap | I was shocked when I did apt-get source gzip |
| 08:12.57 | moontiger | really?? that doesnt make any sense |
| 08:16.02 | chelli | zap: in Debian there are the so called non-maintainer-uploads (NMU) where developers are allowed to fix critical bugs in other developers packages, but as long as there is no defined policy for such things, it would not do an NMU, even if i could, because the other developer might not like it :) |
| 08:16.31 | zap | ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gzip/gzip_1.3.12-6.dsc |
| 08:16.31 | chelli | (no defined policy for maemo) |
| 08:16.37 | zap | see the Depends: line |
| 08:16.48 | zap | (Build-Depends: that is) |
| 08:18.43 | chelli | "patch from upstream to fix compilation with mingw32, and patch from |
| 08:18.43 | chelli | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:18.43 | chelli | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:18.43 | chelli | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:18.57 | zap | :)) |
| 08:19.08 | chelli | so it really has a purpose :) |
| 08:19.14 | zap | Sure, Debian for Windows |
| 08:19.27 | zap | is Windows a supported hardware platform for Debian? :) |
| 08:20.32 | zap | I think if somebody wants a gzip-win32, he could do a separate gzip-win32 package |
| 08:20.35 | chelli | zap: no, win32-loader is a bootloader to boot linux from the windows bootloader, from the description: "This package provides a win32 program that can be used as a loader for |
| 08:20.35 | chelli | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.35 | chelli | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:21.21 | zap | rather than forcing everybody who want to recompile gzip (even for ARM) to download a 26Mb archive with cruft |
| 08:23.59 | chelli | zap: ok, i just googled it, win32-loader is part of a very cool way to install debian from windows, see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H937zZidIZk |
| 08:24.10 | zap | so what :) |
| 08:25.10 | chelli | zap: an additional source-package would mean code-duplication and nobody wants to duplicate code (at least quality-aware people should want to avoid this) :) |
| 08:26.24 | Stskeeps | i still wonder why xfce4 pulls in finnish phonetics. |
| 08:26.26 | Stskeeps | in debian |
| 08:26.42 | zap | Stskeeps: because there's a new way to install Debian from Finnish |
| 08:26.46 | zap | *cool |
| 08:26.56 | zap | (or from Finland?) |
| 08:26.58 | Stskeeps | speaking to it? :P |
| 08:27.09 | zap | dunno, look on youtube :) |
| 08:27.21 | chelli | zap: :) |
| 08:27.42 | zap | ;) |
| 08:29.01 | zap | Sad, looks like Xarchiver/maemo release will not happen on these holidays too, despite the fact that I finished it half of month ago |
| 08:38.01 | chelli | zap: so could you please upload a versions of unzip and unrar-nonfree to make them installable again? (if you do not want to, i am volunteering to test NMU's of these packages) ;-) |
| 08:46.03 | aquatix | wtf, why are my maemo contacts suddenly messed up again? |
| 08:46.13 | aquatix | i had them all named and merged correctly :/ |
| 08:55.00 | Stskeeps | what is that open source alternative OS that indt does? manona? can't seem to get the spelling right |
| 08:55.13 | Stskeeps | ah, nm, got it |
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| 08:55.31 | zap | chelli: I want to try to bug X-Fade (for the last time, I promise! :) to do a repository reindex |
| 08:56.01 | GeneralAntilles | He's gone for vacation, isn't he? |
| 08:56.17 | zap | chelli: the same problem is with 7 packages, and I doubt the builder will be happy to rebuild all of them from scratch in two variants (diablo and chinook) |
| 08:56.31 | zap | oh |
| 08:56.35 | zap | is he? |
| 08:56.43 | chelli | GeneralAntilles: from aug 14 he is on vacation as far aas i saw in the wiki |
| 08:56.50 | GeneralAntilles | Ah |
| 08:58.25 | chelli | zap: the autobuilder was hammered with mutiple builds of qt4-x11 in the last week, i really doubt that rebuilds of your 7 very small packages would hurt the builder in any way ;-) |
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| 09:01.30 | chelli | i hope that X-Fade will be able to fix my problem with the autobuilder/repository before his vacation too, i am trying to get a new package (canola-flickr-plugin) into the repository since Tuesday, i always mysteriously disappears after the autobuilder built it fine :( |
| 09:02.01 | zap | or alternative, he could give us ze root pazzw0rd :-E |
| 09:02.14 | chelli | :) |
| 09:02.14 | zap | *ly |
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| 09:06.16 | chelli | well, in my case i am now going to setup a temporary repository for my package, i really wanted to avoid creating new repositories, but i am a little bit tired of waiting for this to be fixed :( |
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| 09:12.10 | Stskeeps | heh, it's funny - dschmicker managed to end up how to debootstrap on tablet with same method as i did :> |
| 09:12.27 | Stskeeps | (on ITt) |
| 09:13.04 | qwerty12 | He wants to make an installer too :D |
| 09:14.26 | Stskeeps | yeah, sent him a private message |
| 09:14.34 | Stskeeps | he seems to have worked out part of the sound problem too, like you posted |
| 09:14.54 | Stskeeps | private message as in "hey, good job, you're welcome to join us if you want", not threats ;> |
| 09:15.03 | qwerty12 | Cool :) |
| 09:15.04 | qwerty12 | Lol |
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| 09:17.23 | ``Cube | guys? do you like the new logo? |
| 09:17.31 | Stskeeps | the maemo one? :P |
| 09:17.36 | ``Cube | yea ;) |
| 09:18.12 | ``Cube | Stskeeps: ? |
| 09:18.22 | Stskeeps | i'm rather so-so about it, it's alright i guess - nothing really ground-breaking |
| 09:18.55 | Stskeeps | then again, i'm a computer scientist, i don't have a sense of art aesthetics ;) |
| 09:19.03 | Dekaritae | It's vaguely jesusfish |
| 09:19.04 | ``Cube | Stskeeps: exactly - there were soo many other submission that looked nice, and even had something unique and recognizable with the ae. |
| 09:19.07 | ``Cube | heh ;) |
| 09:19.24 | ``Cube | I mean the flat variants are rather okay |
| 09:19.32 | ``Cube | just the ae isn't that recognizable |
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| 09:22.29 | user__ | hi there. I have an "unable to create virtual..."error on my tablet but I have enough free space. any idea? |
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| 09:23.21 | Binky | befr0d, are you bef0rd? |
| 09:23.40 | qwerty12 | user__, Check if the mmc isn't corrupt, in unix, fsck.vfat (iirc) and in windows, chkdsk |
| 09:24.27 | bef0rd | yep |
| 09:24.31 | bef0rd | hi Binky. |
| 09:24.39 | Binky | Big lol! |
| 09:24.41 | Binky | Hi |
| 09:24.49 | Binky | I almost solved it all |
| 09:24.51 | user__ | qwerty12 is it possible to do that from the tablet? |
| 09:25.08 | bef0rd | cool, what did you do? |
| 09:25.19 | Binky | bef0rd, error is in this line |
| 09:25.22 | Binky | , python2.5-id3lib (>= 0.5.1- |
| 09:25.39 | Binky | Sorry, , python2.5-id3lib (>= 0.5.1-) |
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| 09:26.06 | bef0rd | yea |
| 09:26.08 | qwerty12 | user__, Which tablet is it? |
| 09:26.13 | bef0rd | what should it say then? |
| 09:26.18 | user__ | n810 |
| 09:26.44 | bef0rd | checks his dpkg status file |
| 09:26.51 | Binky | It has a character that is not "permitido" (how do i say it?) |
| 09:27.01 | bef0rd | allowed |
| 09:27.08 | Binky | It is a space or a ', i believe |
| 09:27.14 | qwerty12 | user__, if it's an N810, the internal memory may be corrupt: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18043 |
| 09:27.40 | Binky | Ohhh, thanks, i didn't remember |
| 09:28.33 | user__ | ok, I will read that. I maybe need a fresh full reinstall, my / has only 30m leftfree space |
| 09:28.56 | bef0rd | Binky, ok, I see mine I believe |
| 09:29.49 | bef0rd | do you want me to paste it? |
| 09:30.12 | Binky | If you can, please |
| 09:30.38 | bef0rd | ok let me get down stairs |
| 09:31.53 | Binky | I have 770 and OS2006 if it's important |
| 09:33.34 | bef0rd | I think its not but compare it to yours anyway |
| 09:34.13 | Binky | Maybe some part is missing |
| 09:34.31 | bef0rd | http://www.pastebin.ca/1096701 |
| 09:36.22 | bef0rd | that's how the line starts with, right? |
| 09:37.42 | Binky | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:38.05 | Binky | I wrote 1osso2 to see what happens =) |
| 09:39.59 | bef0rd | you could also try to remove ', python2.5-id3lib (>= 0.5.1-)' if that doesnt solve it |
| 09:40.50 | Binky | Ook |
| 09:41.30 | Binky | Ok |
| 09:41.33 | Binky | Now |
| 09:41.46 | Binky | App manager does not boot |
| 09:41.59 | bef0rd | try |
| 09:42.08 | bef0rd | that dpkg command you were using yesterday |
| 09:42.37 | Binky | Oh, just take three times more than yesterday to boot... |
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| 09:47.12 | chelli | "python2.5-id3lib (>= 0.5.1-)" is invalid, i believe it must either be "(>= 0.5.1)" or something like "(>= 0.5.1-1)" |
| 09:47.55 | Binky | Ok. Nevermind. It is solved |
| 09:48.03 | Binky | But there are more errors |
| 09:48.53 | bef0rd | where |
| 09:49.24 | Binky | numptyphisics package |
| 09:49.37 | Binky | Duplicate maemo-26-icon |
| 09:50.30 | bef0rd | no idea, can you remove it? |
| 09:51.00 | Binky | I'm looking. Line 405... |
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| 09:52.07 | Binky | Ok |
| 09:52.19 | Binky | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:52.44 | bef0rd | how is that. |
| 09:53.09 | Binky | duplicate value for user-defined field `Maemo-Icon-26' |
| 09:53.37 | Binky | That field is like 40 lines of random numbers and letters |
| 09:53.58 | Binky | I can't see nothing duplicated |
| 09:54.03 | qwerty12 | It's an png encoded in base64 |
| 09:54.22 | Binky | O_o |
| 09:54.41 | Binky | It will take time to figure where the hell is |
| 09:55.23 | bef0rd | delete everythin |
| 09:55.27 | bef0rd | you dont need the icon |
| 09:55.31 | bef0rd | I mean delete from |
| 09:55.38 | bef0rd | Maemo-Icon-26: BLABLA |
| 09:55.49 | bef0rd | tol the last line of base64 |
| 09:55.53 | bef0rd | to* |
| 09:55.56 | Binky | Includin maemo-icon-26 line |
| 09:56.05 | RST38h | kill kill |
| 09:56.37 | Binky | lol |
| 09:57.09 | bef0rd | yes. |
| 10:01.02 | bef0rd | Binky, you still have the status old backup, right? |
| 10:01.03 | zap | bomb, bomb |
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| 10:13.46 | AStorm | hello |
| 10:14.02 | AStorm | I'm getting size mismatches from extras-devel |
| 10:14.13 | AStorm | for bzip2, unrar and unzip |
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| 10:16.24 | zap | AStorm: it's a known problem |
| 10:16.43 | AStorm | what's the workaround? |
| 10:16.45 | zap | do you get that when you try to install them, or when building packages? |
| 10:17.04 | AStorm | installing |
| 10:17.15 | zap | you can just get the .debs directly and install them |
| 10:17.29 | AStorm | it doesn't make upgrade skip them |
| 10:17.38 | zap | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/u/ |
| 10:17.40 | zap | from here |
| 10:17.55 | Binky | bef0rd, i have it |
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| 10:18.29 | zap | hmm, xchat crashed |
| 10:18.30 | AStorm | zap: its chinook here |
| 10:18.33 | zap | from here: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/u/ |
| 10:18.37 | zap | yes |
| 10:18.45 | zap | I gave you the wrong url |
| 10:18.55 | zap | for chinook just replace diablo by chinook |
| 10:18.59 | zap | in the url |
| 10:19.07 | AStorm | it does dl them from there |
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| 10:19.37 | AStorm | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/b/bzip2/bzip2_1.0.4-2maemo1_armel.deb Size mismatch |
| 10:19.51 | zap | I know |
| 10:20.03 | zap | that's because Packages file has not been updated |
| 10:20.16 | zap | X-Fade: beep, beep |
| 10:22.19 | AStorm | need a workaround to make upgrade think they've been upgraded (i did install with dpkg) |
| 10:26.22 | zap | I don't think it's a good idea to do apt-get upgrade with extras-devel enabled |
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| 10:42.11 | mange | is it possible to totally remove modest from diablo? |
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| 10:42.34 | AStorm | zap: it usually works |
| 10:42.45 | AStorm | and I can rollback if needed |
| 10:43.04 | zap | AStorm: there are no guarantees |
| 10:43.28 | AStorm | I know that |
| 10:43.31 | AStorm | :P |
| 10:43.49 | AStorm | there are no guarantees if you add coreutils either |
| 10:44.53 | zap | or if you add sdk repos |
| 10:45.05 | zap | try bash from there ;-) |
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| 10:54.31 | AStorm | zap: one from nittools works |
| 10:55.01 | zap | sure it does, I just want to point out that not every repository is sane to use for a upgrade on NIT :) |
| 10:56.14 | AStorm | yup :> |
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| 11:05.22 | mange | does a background image consume more battery? |
| 11:05.42 | mange | i mean, in a significant way |
| 11:05.44 | glass | can't think why it would |
| 11:06.34 | mange | i mean, if the code is like "if (haveBackground) { foreach Pixel in bitmapArray: putPixel(..); } then it would, yes? |
| 11:06.45 | mange | if it does that for each desktop redraw |
| 11:07.06 | glass | dunno why it would be that stupid |
| 11:07.07 | mange | otherwise it can just do some hardware call to floodfill a region with a certain color |
| 11:07.47 | glass | i'd imagine it would have the background image anyways, be it a picture or not, in memory and just memcpy it |
| 11:08.11 | crashanddie | mange, I agree that some applications are poorly engineered, but I doubt that the background code is actually that poor |
| 11:08.31 | mange | okey, nice to hear |
| 11:08.37 | mange | i really like my background image :) |
| 11:11.24 | crashanddie | djeezus, my internet is slooooow |
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| 11:15.40 | AStorm | mange: I noticed no time gain w/o bg |
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| 11:36.10 | pupnik | what's the best maemo 'client' for mediaRSS? |
| 11:36.30 | pupnik | i want to get notices, or autoget a podcast |
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| 11:40.13 | f0rtex | hi everybody! has anybody an usb-audio device working with N810 Diablo release ? |
| 11:44.07 | crashanddie | f0rtex, don't think so mate |
| 11:45.49 | f0rtex | Bummer |
| 11:46.54 | jott | i can't see the problem if the device is supported by linux. |
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| 11:47.58 | AStorm | it needs a powered hub though |
| 11:48.04 | AStorm | and the alsa driver |
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| 11:49.33 | f0rtex | ain't alsa drivers installed by default? |
| 11:50.13 | jott | you need the driver/module for the specific usb soundcard. |
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| 11:51.35 | f0rtex | are they in the repository or do i have to compile them ... |
| 11:51.59 | jott | i bet you have to compile them |
| 11:53.59 | f0rtex | ok, thanks. |
| 11:55.15 | jott | and remember that the n810 does not provide the full 500mA, so you might need a powered hub (or power injected cable) as astorm said. |
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| 11:55.58 | jott | what do you want to do with it? |
| 11:56.36 | disq | got one of those nokia ad-54 music headset controls |
| 11:56.44 | f0rtex | attach my n810 to my hifi system :) |
| 11:56.45 | disq | wonder if i can use it with the tablets |
| 11:57.08 | f0rtex | I used to do it with my zaurus c3000 :) |
| 11:57.34 | AStorm | f0rtex: uhm... |
| 11:57.50 | AStorm | can't use the minijack? |
| 11:58.37 | f0rtex | sure, but you've the geek-effect with usb-audio ;) |
| 11:59.28 | f0rtex | and you've only to attach one cable |
| 11:59.57 | jott | you could do funny mixing sessions with two soundcards - mobile dj set :) |
| 12:01.14 | jott | hm my usb soundcard seems to just use 100mA so it should work without power injection. |
| 12:03.03 | f0rtex | I have a hard disk attached to my n810 too so I need definitively a hub |
| 12:07.24 | pupnik | mannnn |
| 12:07.27 | pupnik | Mann Adobe Flash: Integer overflow in Adobe Flash Player 9.0.115.0 and earlier, and 8.0.39.0 and earlier, allows remote attackers to execute arbitrary code via a crafted SWF file with a negative Scene Count value, which passes a signed comparison, is used as an offset of a NULL pointer, and triggers a buffer overflow. http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2007-0071 |
| 12:07.33 | pupnik | old but ick, ick, ick |
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| 12:14.48 | mange | hey, is there a snes or mame emulator on n810? |
| 12:15.00 | mange | i noticed there are emulators for nes and gameboy already |
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| 12:22.10 | pupnik | yes xmame. no real snes yet |
| 12:23.24 | pupnik | if you don't mind launching from command line you can try http://pupnik.de/snes9x.html |
| 12:25.30 | mange | oh |
| 12:25.34 | mange | thank you |
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| 12:26.41 | pupnik | hopefully a fullspeed snes this year |
| 12:26.55 | pupnik | should have been finished in spring |
| 12:31.56 | AStorm | canola guys broke their youtube package |
| 12:32.11 | AStorm | it has ~ instead of - in the version string |
| 12:33.31 | jott | ~ is valid for version strings. |
| 12:33.33 | chelli | ~ is allowed in version strings |
| 12:33.34 | chelli | :) |
| 12:34.04 | AStorm | mhm |
| 12:34.07 | AStorm | noticed |
| 12:34.26 | AStorm | so they just weren't updated or sth |
| 12:34.56 | AStorm | drat |
| 12:35.45 | AStorm | new install of canola pulled in beta9-maemo1 and not beta9-maemo2 |
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| 12:43.06 | RST38h | pupnik: snes9x should rule =) |
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| 12:55.55 | MakeGho | are you really able to play with the n8x0 keyboard? |
| 12:56.00 | MakeGho | that sounds unbelievable |
| 12:56.14 | MakeGho | what's the point of having such software if the controls are unusable =) |
| 12:56.33 | MakeGho | othern than the leetness points, "look, I can do this and this with my device" |
| 12:56.41 | Kegetys | use a gamepad |
| 12:56.59 | Kegetys | and you do not have to play games where you need "fast" controls |
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| 12:57.11 | AStorm | well, arrows work ok |
| 12:57.37 | crashanddie | I should try to get a PS3 controller to work on the NIT |
| 12:57.41 | AStorm | and the 4 color keys are ok too |
| 12:57.50 | crashanddie | adds yet another item to the whiteboard |
| 12:58.00 | AStorm | as "hukm" |
| 13:05.42 | pupnik | MakeGho: right now i'm playing with the keyboard instead of dpad on my nes emu |
| 13:05.57 | pupnik | so qweasdzxc and uiojklm,. |
| 13:06.05 | pupnik | gives me the diagonals |
| 13:07.19 | MakeGho | sounds like a better idea |
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| 13:09.17 | Kegetys | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:49.06 | ywwg | can someone reopen bug 1738? I've added a patch but I don't seem to have the permissions to reopen it myself |
| 13:50.09 | zap | create a dup :) |
| 13:55.49 | ywwg | considering I filed the original bug, I don't think that will go over well :P |
| 13:59.34 | chelli | zap: plese, please fix your packages in extras-devel (see: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/chinook/abuse-sdl_0.7.1-1maemo1/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt for another reason why you should reupload your packages as soon as possible (bzip2 in this case)) |
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| 13:59.51 | zap | uh-oh |
| 14:00.00 | zap | okay, looks like X-Fade is already on holidays |
| 14:00.49 | chelli | zap: yes, might be possible, i did not get an answer from him on Thursday and Friday, last time i spoke with him was Wednesday |
| 14:01.01 | lcuk | nokians dont go on holiday. they are recalled to the mothership for re-imaging |
| 14:06.10 | mikkov_ | chelli: you wan't to play abuse? ;) |
| 14:06.16 | crashanddie | wan't ? |
| 14:06.31 | mikkov_ | ööh want |
| 14:06.48 | crashanddie | tha'ts enuff abbuce liek dat ! |
| 14:06.52 | mikkov_ | english is hard ;) |
| 14:07.01 | chelli | mikkov_: well, i would like to have less easy-to-fix bugs in extras-devel ;-) |
| 14:07.33 | mikkov_ | non installable bzip2 is not in diablo extras-devel |
| 14:07.45 | chelli | not? |
| 14:07.54 | mikkov_ | not |
| 14:07.56 | crashanddie | mikkov_, you might find this interesting: http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSKUA75572520080807 :D |
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| 14:08.25 | mikkov_ | to me it looks like qt4 compiling right now |
| 14:10.13 | chelli | mikkov_: this is the problematic bzip2: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/bzip2_1.0.4-2maemo1/ and exactly this version is installed while building abuse-sdl ("Get:33 http://osso.stage.dmz chinook/free bzip2 1.0.4-2maemo1 [38.8kB]") |
| 14:11.01 | mikkov_ | abuse was on chinook autobuilder |
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| 14:11.20 | mikkov_ | diablo version is compiling now |
| 14:11.23 | chelli | ok, the it is this one: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/chinook/bzip2_1.0.4-2maemo1/ :) |
| 14:11.52 | mikkov_ | ntp needed bzip2 and it was OK |
| 14:11.58 | chelli | mikkov_: my guess is that the diablo build will fail too :) |
| 14:12.13 | chelli | ok, then the diablo version is fixed |
| 14:12.26 | mikkov_ | yeah but not chinook ;) |
| 14:13.17 | chelli | yet another reason not to upload different packages with the same version number - you can just not distinguish the broken one from the one which is fine :) |
| 14:13.45 | mikkov_ | qt4 is building https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/qt4-x11_4.4.0-2maemo0/ |
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| 14:25.18 | chelli | zap: thank you very much :) |
| 14:25.26 | zap | np :) |
| 14:25.36 | chelli | mikkov_: i guess you can retry abuse-sdl on chinook :) |
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| 14:48.21 | lcuk | crashanddie, |
| 14:53.56 | chelli | hooray, unzip is installable again ;-) |
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| 15:10.04 | crashanddie | lcuk, pong |
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| 15:14.03 | blaz3 | hello all, i was wondering if there was an IRC client for OS2008 |
| 15:14.09 | crashanddie | xchat ? |
| 15:14.22 | qwerty12 | ^ |
| 15:14.38 | crashanddie | blaz3, http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ |
| 15:14.45 | blaz3 | thank you! |
| 15:15.14 | crashanddie | qwerty12, you coming down to London 2600 next week ? |
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| 15:15.55 | qwerty12 | crashanddie, hmm, I'd like to but I'm a skint shit at the moment :/ |
| 15:16.29 | crashanddie | work some |
| 15:18.19 | qwerty12 | Yeah, hmm. Hopefully, I can get some money. It would have been easier if my sister hadn't had lost my oyster card. |
| 15:19.12 | crashanddie | qwerty12, get her to get you a new one |
| 15:19.36 | crashanddie | qwerty12, can't you like ask for a new one, considering it's lost ? |
| 15:20.51 | qwerty12 | I never reported it lost :(. At the time, I was getting free travel for 2 years but then they reduced it to one year. Also, there is no point come think of for applying because I'm gonna be 16 in a few months and I may as well apply for a proper oyster card then. |
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| 15:28.49 | crashanddie | qwerty12, then get your sis to pay for all your travels until you're 16 |
| 15:29.43 | qwerty12 | is pondering that idea |
| 15:30.11 | MangoFusion | do you actually look 16? |
| 15:30.45 | qwerty12 | yeah, otherwise I'd have lied :( |
| 15:31.05 | MangoFusion | darn |
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| 15:33.29 | crashanddie | MangoFusion, lol... qwerty12 doesn't look 16 |
| 15:33.36 | crashanddie | MangoFusion, far from that even |
| 15:33.47 | crashanddie | MangoFusion, as his nickname states, he looks 12 :D |
| 15:33.55 | MangoFusion | hahaha |
| 15:34.16 | qwerty12 | crashanddie, :P |
| 15:34.55 | mikkov_ | chinook bzip2 still uninstallable |
| 15:36.16 | mikkov_ | or is it noninstallable... |
| 15:37.42 | crashanddie | neither |
| 15:37.59 | mikkov_ | what is it then? ;) |
| 15:38.00 | crashanddie | not-installable ? |
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| 15:41.22 | Jsn0327 | is it worth upgrading to diablo from os2008 right now? |
| 15:41.47 | crashanddie | Jsn0327, don't see any reasons against it |
| 15:42.24 | chelli | zap: "Setting up bzip2 (1.0.4-2maemo2) ... |
| 15:42.24 | chelli | /var/lib/dpkg/info/bzip2.postinst: line 9: gtk-update-icon-cache: command not found" (bzip2 on chinook) |
| 15:42.52 | Jsn0327 | well what are the major improvements over os2008? Is the diablo release an alpha or beta release? |
| 15:43.09 | crashanddie | Jsn0327, neither, it's a full release |
| 15:43.32 | Jsn0327 | does a2dp work in diablo? |
| 15:44.04 | crashanddie | Jsn0327, major improvements: no reflashing for next OS updates, the update manager is now "automatic" (notifies you on the home screen when packages are available for update), new email client, new browser backend |
| 15:44.28 | Jsn0327 | those are pretty significiant |
| 15:44.42 | qwerty12 | Some could argue if "new email client, new browser backend" is an improvement |
| 15:44.46 | aquatix | Jsn0327: let's just say that it's a good idea to upgrade :) |
| 15:44.50 | aquatix | is happy with diablo |
| 15:45.03 | Jsn0327 | any report on the functionality of a2dp? |
| 15:45.47 | chelli | Jsn0327: afaik nothing changed related to a2dp compared to Chinook |
| 15:47.44 | Jsn0327 | that sucks. You would think that a2dp would be a pretty high priority for nokia |
| 15:48.05 | qwerty12 | Well it is for them with their phones. |
| 15:49.38 | Jsn0327 | no it's for any bluetooth enabled media product |
| 15:49.45 | zap | chelli: damnit! |
| 15:49.59 | Jsn0327 | it's included with choinook but it wasn't enabled because it wasn't complete |
| 15:50.11 | Jsn0327 | i just figured that they would complete it before the release of diablo |
| 15:50.14 | Jsn0327 | oh well |
| 15:50.29 | zap | chelli: what's strange, I have it in my scratchbox |
| 15:51.06 | zap | f*k, f*k, f*k |
| 15:52.07 | chelli | zap: [sbox-CHINOOK_X86: ~] > dpkg -S `which gtk-update-icon-cache` |
| 15:52.08 | chelli | libgtk2.0-bin: /usr/bin/gtk-update-icon-cache |
| 15:52.35 | zap | and? |
| 15:52.53 | chelli | does bzip2 depend on libgtk2.0-bin? |
| 15:52.58 | zap | no |
| 15:53.29 | zap | but Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.2_armel-rootstrap.tgz contains gtk-update-icon-cache! |
| 15:53.33 | zap | I double checked that! |
| 15:53.47 | chelli | hmm |
| 15:54.09 | zap | What SDK are using them in the builde? I can't get that |
| 15:54.10 | chelli | my scratchbox says it is in libgtk2.0-bin :) |
| 15:54.15 | zap | so? |
| 15:54.22 | zap | libgtk2.0-bin is part of SDK |
| 15:55.11 | zap | do I have to list gtk2.0 as a dependency for any gtk package then? |
| 15:55.24 | mikkov_ | autobuilder doesn't have about anything installed by default |
| 15:55.46 | chelli | yes, but autobuilder is special, it just installs a minimal environment, which does not neccesarily mean the every package which is installed in scratchzbox is installed in the autobuilder environment too |
| 15:56.16 | zap | ok, where I can see the list of essential packages in Maemo? |
| 15:56.27 | zap | or a list of packages that autobuilder uses? |
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| 15:57.23 | mikkov_ | autobuilder disk is full again :) |
| 15:57.50 | mikkov_ | or not.. |
| 15:58.32 | chelli | zap: for libraries, this is handled by ${shlibs:Depends} in the Depends line in debian/control, so packages do not need to manually list all library in depends, but for additional commands you run in the maintainer scripts (post{inst|rm}, pre{inst|rm}), you must add dependencies yourself |
| 16:00.02 | mikkov_ | is gtk-update-icon-cache necessary for bzip2? at least it's not needed when installing applications with .desktop file |
| 16:00.08 | chelli | zap, or you can call the command this way: "gtk-update-icon-cache || true" this way it will never fail, even if gtk-update-icon-cache is not available ;-) |
| 16:00.49 | zap | mikkov_: for .desktop files you have to specify desktop-file-utils in dependencies |
| 16:01.20 | zap | if you don't, this is an error! |
| 16:03.26 | mikkov_ | i don't use update-desktop-database and it's working for me |
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| 16:05.15 | zap | that's because your package is not used in the autobuilder :( |
| 16:05.47 | mikkov_ | but i don't call it anywhere ;) |
| 16:06.09 | mikkov_ | maybe it shoudl be used.. |
| 16:08.36 | zap | chelli: uploaded a fixed bzip2... |
| 16:10.41 | chelli | tell it mikkov_, it his abuse-sdl which build-depends on quilt, which depends on bzip2 ;-) |
| 16:10.44 | shd | if an application would have a default download directory, what would be the preferred path on maemo? |
| 16:11.09 | zap | chelli: what other packages do you use at the build stage? |
| 16:11.18 | shd | ~/MyDocs looks obvious.. |
| 16:11.31 | zap | and its the best choice, if not /media/mmc1 |
| 16:12.05 | shd | thanks.. |
| 16:12.11 | chelli | zap: it depends, one of my packages build-depends on zip for example |
| 16:13.44 | shd | zap: i think i'll create a directory under /media/mmc?/, these files can be rather large (video) |
| 16:15.04 | chelli | i think that /media/mmc2 might be better, this oe is available at least on every n810, /media/mmc1 is only available if an memory card is inserted in the external slot of the n8x0 |
| 16:15.12 | zap | shd: The best way would be to ask user, and default to ~/MyDocs/.video |
| 16:15.29 | chelli | zap: yes, agreed |
| 16:15.32 | zap | shd: some people (like me) have already ~/MyDocs/.video a symlink pointing to the right place :) |
| 16:15.38 | chelli | :) |
| 16:16.49 | shd | zap: i also have a symlink at home dir :) |
| 16:17.47 | shd | zap: we will make the download path configurable of course, but i'm looking for the best default.. i'm guessing mmc device is the safest default bet now |
| 16:18.04 | jott | shd: why not ask on first start? |
| 16:18.52 | shd | jott: i like programs that don't ask questions by default |
| 16:19.08 | jott | better than programs that break things :) |
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| 16:19.34 | shd | well, it hasn't happened yet :) |
| 16:20.14 | pupnik | wow the flash exploit was amazing |
| 16:20.16 | shd | usually, when i install some program, i don't want to configure it.. just apt-get install program, and then i can directly use it.. sane defaults rule :) |
| 16:20.42 | pupnik | http://www.matasano.com/log/1032/this-new-vulnerability-dowds-inhuman-flash-exploit/ |
| 16:21.11 | jott | the only sane default would be .video as this is the canonical location for videos. |
| 16:23.15 | mikkov_ | pupnik: one more reason to disable flash ;) |
| 16:24.35 | zap | shd: then use ~/MyDocs/.video, that's what Nokia programs use |
| 16:25.00 | shd | zap: it's not necessarily videos.. |
| 16:28.25 | crashanddie | lcuk, second pong |
| 16:28.29 | jott | shd: then use ~/MyDocs/.documents - that's where all "other stuff" usually goes. |
| 16:28.47 | shd | jott: okay |
| 16:29.12 | shd | my heuristics is: 1. find mmc device, use that. if not found, use ~/MyDocs/.documents |
| 16:29.50 | jott | i think writing on mmc without asking users is always bad. |
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| 16:30.53 | shd | hmm.. perhaps.. i'll just make it ~/MyDocs/.documents then. the user can configure it to mmc if needed |
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| 16:39.28 | chelli | mikkov_: your abuse-packages seem to install still bzip2 1.0.4-2maemo2, seems that the package files have not yet been regenerated, otherwise it should install 1.0.4-2maemo3 |
| 16:40.18 | mikkov_ | chelli: yeah i noticed |
| 16:40.44 | RST38h | moo all |
| 16:41.30 | mikkov_ | is that current diablo bzip2 installable? (1.0.4-2maemo2) |
| 16:41.44 | chelli | zap: a fixed unrar-nonfree for diablo is still missing ;-) |
| 16:42.01 | zap | did changed bzip2 work? |
| 16:42.05 | chelli | mikkov_: i do not know |
| 16:42.15 | zap | I'm waiting some positive result to avoid multiple useless uploads |
| 16:42.31 | chelli | zap: the latest bzip2 is not yet available in the repo |
| 16:42.50 | mikkov_ | here diablo bzip2 didn't work https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2008q3/001827.html |
| 16:43.09 | mikkov_ | sorry wrong address |
| 16:43.27 | mikkov_ | https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2008q3/001829.html |
| 16:44.15 | zap | /var/lib/dpkg/info/bzip2.postinst: line 9: gtk-update-icon-cache: command not found |
| 16:44.16 | zap | thats the old bzip2 package |
| 16:44.32 | mikkov_ | did you upload maemo3 for diablo? |
| 16:45.09 | mikkov_ | oh now it's there ;) |
| 16:45.18 | chelli | :) |
| 16:46.45 | mikkov_ | waiting for repositories to update |
| 16:46.52 | chelli | it would be great if my canola-flickr-plugin would appear in the repo as well, just tried another upload, same situation as always, package builds fine, but seems to go to /dev/null after the build :( |
| 16:48.34 | mikkov_ | canola-flickr-plugin has a directory but it's empty ;) http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/c/canola-flickr-plugin/ |
| 16:51.05 | chelli | mikkov_: yes, i know, even the sources are integrated under http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/source/c/canola-flickr-plugin/ :( |
| 16:52.30 | mikkov_ | chelli: maemo is changing to source only distro ;) |
| 16:52.38 | chelli | :) |
| 16:53.59 | chelli | lets switch the base-system to gentoo and build everything on the tablets with emerge, the code must be faster then ;-) |
| 16:54.46 | mikkov_ | absolutely :) |
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| 16:56.11 | chelli | to bad that http://funroll-loops.org/ is not available anymore :) |
| 16:56.44 | chelli | ah, there is a new version of the page at http://funroll-loops.info/ :) |
| 16:57.10 | mikkov_ | zap: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/abuse-frabs_2.11-1/i386.root.log.FAILED.txt |
| 16:57.20 | Stskeeps | zanshin: how's the deblet going? |
| 16:57.48 | zanshin | I've installed nit-env-stskeeps :) |
| 16:58.10 | Stskeeps | zanshin: and it runs without issue? |
| 16:58.13 | zanshin | It's pretty ok, but the device specs are not up to it |
| 16:58.19 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 16:58.28 | zanshin | it runs ok until you startup a browser :) |
| 16:58.49 | zanshin | menu's are pretty smooth etc. But don't run any applications |
| 16:58.50 | lbt | I'm trying to setup multiboot but I can't get a 2nd OS image to boot |
| 16:58.51 | Stskeeps | well there's no browser automatically installed :P |
| 16:59.01 | Stskeeps | zanshin: maybe swap is a good thing to have |
| 16:59.03 | lbt | I'm doing this : https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card#MultiBoot |
| 16:59.03 | zanshin | hehe that's why |
| 16:59.19 | lbt | any suggestions on seeing kernel boot time messages? |
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| 16:59.33 | lbt | (no I don't have a serial console onto the solder pads) |
| 16:59.42 | zanshin | I want to try some lightweight apps and the matchbox environment |
| 16:59.43 | chelli | mikkov_: ok, at least a new error message :) |
| 16:59.48 | Stskeeps | lbt: what are you trying to boot? cloned OS2008? deblet? |
| 16:59.48 | zanshin | matchbox runs ok |
| 16:59.58 | lbt | cloned chinook |
| 17:00.07 | zanshin | i've got elinks2 now as a browser which is ok to |
| 17:00.14 | lbt | I want to document how to setup a 4-way boot |
| 17:00.20 | lbt | (see that link) |
| 17:00.26 | Stskeeps | lbt: is your bootmenu.conf set up correctly? |
| 17:00.31 | lbt | seems to be |
| 17:00.31 | mikkov_ | chelli: progress, progress ;) |
| 17:00.42 | lbt | I have ssh'ed into it |
| 17:01.03 | lbt | and I've hacked the linuxrc to cycle round |
| 17:01.13 | lbt | rather than just default to flash |
| 17:01.31 | zanshin | But it would be nice if there is a browser more orientated to tablets |
| 17:01.32 | chelli | zap: you really should change the call of gtk-update-icon-cache to "gtk-update-icon-cache || true", this would solve the problems and you can remove the dependency to libgtk2.0-bin again ;-) |
| 17:01.46 | qwerty12 | lbt, I've got my initfs modified to show me boot messages |
| 17:01.53 | lbt | Ah |
| 17:01.57 | qwerty12 | lemme see if I can access my ext3 through unix |
| 17:01.58 | zap | chelli: why not put a dependency? |
| 17:02.02 | qwerty12 | *windows |
| 17:02.03 | lbt | I was going to ask you about that |
| 17:02.27 | GreyFoxx | qwert: I installed your highspeed kernel package, how can I tell if it's actually using it ? |
| 17:02.41 | GreyFoxx | It doesn't seem to have had much effect on anything that I can tell |
| 17:02.43 | lbt | <qwerty12> I've currently got my bootmenu set up so I can switch the framebuffer into automatic mode and get boot messages |
| 17:02.46 | Stskeeps | zanshin: so what do we have now.. it took us what steps to get through? debootstrap manually, apt-get install python and such on the chroot, postdebootstrap from deblet installer, wireless driver issues and X setuid problems? |
| 17:02.47 | chelli | zap: because i believe that gtk-update-icon-cache is available on the tablets anyway |
| 17:02.48 | jott | cli apps adding icons are suspect anyway :P |
| 17:02.52 | lbt | you said t'other day |
| 17:03.00 | GreyFoxx | but I have noticed and this might be unrelated, that gps sync times are much shorter |
| 17:03.10 | qwerty12 | GreyFoxx, Dunno :D. The original patch has a debug patch but I chose not to include it because it adds to "dmesg" waste |
| 17:03.11 | chelli | zap: and on the autobuilder it is just not necessary :) |
| 17:03.26 | zanshin | stskeeps: no wireless issues, wireless is fine, usbnet issues |
| 17:03.39 | qwerty12 | lbt, what happens if you run /mnt/initfs/usr/bin/fb_update_mode? |
| 17:03.51 | GreyFoxx | qwe: k |
| 17:04.07 | Stskeeps | zanshin: well the wifi driver wasnt up to date with my modifications, atleast :P |
| 17:04.15 | lbt | it gives me a usage message... |
| 17:04.26 | qwerty12 | good |
| 17:04.42 | lbt | should I run it during the linuxrc script |
| 17:04.44 | qwerty12 | Ok, remount /mnt/initfs read write |
| 17:04.49 | qwerty12 | no no, fanoush has proper support |
| 17:04.56 | lbt | ok |
| 17:04.58 | Stskeeps | zanshin: but sounds good - then we have a possibility to get deblet for 770 :) |
| 17:05.02 | zanshin | stskeeps I've removed xfce but now my screen keeps pretty low in light. Is there a daemon which I have to startup for that? It worked ok in nit-env-stskeeps |
| 17:05.15 | qwerty12 | mount -o remount,rw /mnt/initfs should do it |
| 17:05.19 | lbt | I am now running a normally booted tablet - OK -just so you know where I am |
| 17:05.23 | Stskeeps | zanshin: dimming or? |
| 17:05.29 | zanshin | dimming yes |
| 17:05.35 | lbt | done |
| 17:05.44 | Stskeeps | zanshin: dsme-tools package or /etc/init.d/dsme-something has values to adjust |
| 17:06.07 | lbt | (I didn't know jffs2 was a read-write fs) |
| 17:06.42 | qwerty12 | lbt, in diablo, partition layout was changed so you can remount read write. If jffs2 wasn't, rootfs would be useless :> |
| 17:07.10 | qwerty12 | lbt, ok, grab this http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/modules-2.2007.50-2-custom.tar.gz |
| 17:07.47 | lbt | ok |
| 17:07.49 | zanshin | stskeeps: if I do echo 32 > /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level it's dimmed within a few seconds |
| 17:08.30 | qwerty12 | lbt, go into drivers\video\console and extract the 4 modules there. Move them into /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/ |
| 17:08.51 | Stskeeps | zanshin: edit the values in dsme-tools init.d |
| 17:10.23 | Stskeeps | to be higher i guess |
| 17:10.30 | lbt | done |
| 17:10.40 | Stskeeps | zanshin: it's like at 30 seconds to dim, 60 seconds to turn off |
| 17:11.12 | jott | zap: btw, it would be good if you fill the "Maintainer" field with your data as you made "significant" changes to it. |
| 17:11.14 | qwerty12 | lbt, now, edit /mnt/initfs/bootmenu.conf and include lines similar to this: http://pastebin.com/m45ec9816 |
| 17:11.36 | zap | jott: I wasn't planning to do initially |
| 17:11.52 | lbt | OK softcursor bitblit font fbcon |
| 17:11.54 | jott | zap: then remove the icon stuff and leave the package vanilla :) |
| 17:11.55 | lbt | and FBMODE |
| 17:12.17 | zap | jott: I cannot, Maemo does not include MIME types for archives |
| 17:12.39 | zap | and as such, it won't work with Xarchiver I plan to release Real Soon Now {tm} |
| 17:13.00 | zanshin | stskeeps It seems more like the backlight is dimmed right away not within 30 sec. Even if I touch the screen it doesn't come back. It's set on 30 60 by the way |
| 17:13.55 | Stskeeps | zanshin: odd.. try disable dsme-tools then, just add a exit 0 in the top after "!#/bin/sh" |
| 17:14.01 | Stskeeps | it may be different way to communicate with dsme on 770 |
| 17:14.45 | lbt | ok - done that |
| 17:14.53 | lbt | remount ro and reboot? |
| 17:15.21 | qwerty12 | lbt, yep |
| 17:15.50 | qwerty12 | lbt, after it's booted run /mnt/initfs/usr/bin/fb_update_mode manual otherwise the display will run slowly |
| 17:16.01 | Stskeeps | anyone ever considered making a initfs bootmenu that runs guess_fstype on each partition and sees if they have a /sbin/init, and then make it be in menu? |
| 17:16.01 | zanshin | hmm ok |
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| 17:16.21 | Stskeeps | (maybe without _) |
| 17:16.28 | lbt | ok |
| 17:16.43 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, You should suggest it to Fanoush. He's a decent guy, listens to suggestions |
| 17:17.22 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: yeah, he seems like - i have a couple of suggestions that would allow for better debian booting too |
| 17:17.47 | Stskeeps | cos initfs booting is .. retarded at times |
| 17:18.02 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, and if you can't wait, hack it yourself :D. I've got a tarball of the initfs with my customisations already applied |
| 17:18.36 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: i will possibly after my exams next week :P |
| 17:18.37 | lbt | just like my Zaurus ;) |
| 17:18.42 | lbt | cheers qwerty12 |
| 17:18.52 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, cool, good luck :) |
| 17:18.54 | qwerty12 | lbt, np :) |
| 17:19.07 | zanshin | stskeeps: ow by the way, dillo is a nice lightweight browser to, but it doesn't do fames |
| 17:19.17 | zanshin | I tried it also |
| 17:19.22 | lbt | is there any way to select the kernel? |
| 17:19.24 | lbt | kexec? |
| 17:19.27 | zanshin | screen seems to work ok now |
| 17:19.39 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: it's because to fix a bad fsck'ing problem in debian, i need the initfs to mount the fs readonly at first.. i know i can edit this in bootmenu.conf, but normal people don't do that.. |
| 17:19.40 | lbt | or doesn't it matter? |
| 17:19.59 | qwerty12 | lbt, no :(. Fanoush said he was working on kexec a long while back. |
| 17:20.43 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, Ah. Hmm, I can see why that be implented by fanoush |
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| 17:25.33 | jott | zap: wouldn't it make much more sense to create a package with a freedesktop.org.xml? maybe even an updated shared-mime-info? |
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| 17:26.01 | jott | i mean the bzip2 executable is not really related to the mimetype... |
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| 17:27.28 | lbt | hmm, "cat EXEC format error".... any ideas? |
| 17:27.31 | lcuk | anyone know of any partition recovery tool for windows? missus has killed her partition table (followup to the events earlier in the week) |
| 17:27.55 | lbt | there's a bootable rescue CD called trinity |
| 17:28.06 | lbt | which is oriented towards windows recovery |
| 17:28.29 | lcuk | well technically windows is booting (from the older partition on other disk) |
| 17:28.38 | lbt | and there's a disk scanner that scans for partition identifiers to try and guess partitions |
| 17:28.41 | lcuk | it got copied to a new drive about 12 months ago |
| 17:28.52 | lcuk | cool, ill have a look |
| 17:28.58 | jott | and i think if at all it would make sense to have the mime info in the libbz2 package. |
| 17:30.45 | lcuk | had just started to break everything as well. |
| 17:31.01 | lcuk | is undertaking a massive reorganisation |
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| 17:43.16 | RST38h | KILL KILL |
| 17:44.21 | lbt | pussycat? |
| 17:44.35 | pupnik | sex on wheels |
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| 17:58.03 | zap | jott: I was thinking about that, but it's not my concern to build system-wide packages for ITOS... and if Nokia haven't bothered to make a freedesktop.xml system-wide package, why should I? |
| 17:58.19 | zap | Besides, it just looks logical that every program describes the file types it works with |
| 17:58.34 | zap | by the way, Debian packages contain mime info files, just in a different format (?) |
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| 18:09.36 | lbt | FWIW: https://wiki.maemo.org/Advanced_booting |
| 18:09.56 | jott | zap: which debian console cli app contains an icon?! |
| 18:10.16 | zap | no icons, but MIME type definitions |
| 18:10.24 | zap | icons are just for file manager |
| 18:11.55 | jott | zap: http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/mime-policy/ch2.html |
| 18:12.30 | zap | aha |
| 18:12.35 | zap | if [ -x, that is |
| 18:14.33 | jott | i still think it would be wise to have the freedesktop mime defintion instead of copying the same info into more or less related packages... |
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| 18:32.41 | lcuk | lbt, :) thanks ive got the partition back, just waiting for missus to get back with memory stick to backup to |
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| 18:40.45 | lbt | lcuk: good to hear :) |
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| 18:44.31 | lcuk | lbt, indeed it is, she was skitsing because the only backup i had of her sims was last time we updated (over a month ago) |
| 18:45.06 | lbt | tsk tsk |
| 18:45.30 | lbt | losing the little woman's little people would be bad |
| 18:46.12 | lcuk | she shouts at me when i lock me in the swimming pool n stuff :D i am banned from messing with it |
| 18:46.45 | lbt | quite right too |
| 18:50.29 | lbt | hmm - OK, my boot is crashing at the pivot_root - why would that be? As soon as pivot_root has run I get 'Exec format error' msgs |
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| 18:51.07 | lcuk | lbt, guessing you have exec format errors |
| 18:51.18 | lbt | you think? |
| 18:51.25 | lcuk | :D |
| 18:52.06 | lbt | I guess the new / is duff in some way... |
| 18:52.25 | lbt | hmm, I wonder if chrooting to it will help.... |
| 18:54.20 | lbt | ooh... chroot /mnt/chinook/ /bin/sh.... chroot: cannot execute /bin/sh: Exec format error |
| 18:55.54 | lcuk | unix/win problem? crlf thingy |
| 18:56.11 | lbt | doubt it |
| 18:56.23 | lbt | I don't have _that_ OS installed anywhere... :) |
| 18:56.41 | lbt | (apart from my work laptop - <sigh>) |
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| 18:57.18 | lbt | I copied the files using the script here https://wiki.maemo.org/Advanced_booting |
| 18:57.28 | lbt | brb |
| 18:59.36 | pupnik | "I'm trying, honey, I just can't get out of my own way." - George, from "Shampoo" |
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| 19:09.50 | Veggen | anyone using jaiku here? |
| 19:10.39 | Veggen | <---trying to find an invite. It's closed for registration. I can wait until they (perhaps) find that they have room for me, or I can have someone invite me... |
| 19:11.09 | Veggen | I have a plan to start using it for openstreetmap. It'd be perfect for colloboration, I think :) |
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| 19:16.36 | Brenduh | Does anyone know how to stop 2008he from freezing up on the 770? |
| 19:17.02 | pupnik | when does it freeze up Brenduh ? |
| 19:17.18 | Brenduh | when I go to type a url in the address bar |
| 19:17.54 | Brenduh | I tap and the keyboard doesn't come up. It freezes there |
| 19:19.11 | pupnik | do you already have a wifi connection when you bring up the browser? |
| 19:19.16 | Brenduh | yes |
| 19:20.05 | Brenduh | I'm not sure if the patches installed. I used the nokia software to update it. |
| 19:20.42 | lcuk | does the keyboard work from other locations? |
| 19:20.56 | Brenduh | yes, I used it to type my wifi passwords in |
| 19:21.27 | lcuk | is this from the very front page of the browser - without any flash etc messing thingsu p |
| 19:21.52 | Brenduh | google is my start page. it says home.html so whatever is default |
| 19:22.59 | lcuk | does the keyboard come up if you press the search box |
| 19:23.08 | Brenduh | didn't try that let me check |
| 19:25.16 | Brenduh | sorry it's very very slow |
| 19:25.28 | jott | Brenduh: did you add swap? i think 2008he on 770 does not really work without it. |
| 19:25.55 | Brenduh | I don't think so. Not if it doesn't come with it |
| 19:26.02 | jott | enable it then. |
| 19:26.13 | jott | should be in control panel somewhere. |
| 19:26.26 | Brenduh | ok, I'm froze up again. lol I'll try just as soon as I can |
| 19:26.41 | jott | it can do much if ram is full :) |
| 19:27.04 | lcuk | does 770 have less SDRAM than the 8x0? |
| 19:27.06 | Brenduh | i have a 1 gig card in there, is there a way for it to use that? |
| 19:27.10 | jott | lcuk: 64mb |
| 19:27.14 | lcuk | ahhh |
| 19:27.26 | lcuk | Brenduh, thats what the swap is for |
| 19:27.34 | jott | Brenduh: yes i think the swap thingy should ask you. |
| 19:27.42 | Brenduh | ahh thanks. ok as soon as I can boot up I'll try that lol |
| 19:27.50 | Brenduh | yeah it does act like a memory problem |
| 19:28.30 | lcuk | Brenduh, if you havent tried it, you might find the 2007he is a bit more stable from what i hear |
| 19:28.48 | jott | but 2008 is more shiny :) |
| 19:29.03 | lcuk | imagines running 2009 on n8x0 |
| 19:29.13 | Brenduh | I don't know much about the software (can't tell huh?) I was hoping to get something that would run youtube and skype |
| 19:29.37 | jott | hands lcuk the flux capacitor |
| 19:30.03 | lcuk | heh :D flux capacitor visualisation for liqbase |
| 19:30.22 | jott | Brenduh: i think chances are low that you can use youtube with flash |
| 19:30.27 | jott | it barely works on the n8x0 |
| 19:30.44 | jott | but you can try canola/mytube. |
| 19:30.50 | Brenduh | ahh ok. Well I rarely use this so I don't mind if I have to keep uninstalling |
| 19:30.55 | jott | skype should work i assume. |
| 19:31.05 | Brenduh | it won't let me choose more than 64 meg ram |
| 19:32.10 | jott | lcuk: i would vote for flux capacitor virtualization instead of plain visualization :) |
| 19:34.10 | Brenduh | ok 2007 is more stable? |
| 19:40.12 | pupnik | From the "I told you so" files of pupnik: "Skype "Back Door" for Eavesdropping Revealed" http://nestmannblog.sovereignsociety.com/2008/08/skype-back-door.html |
| 19:43.21 | pupnik | "Zfone is a new secure (open source) VoIP phone software product which lets you make encrypted phone calls over the Internet. Its principal designer is Phil Zimmermann, the creator of PGP, the most widely used email encryption software in the world. Zfone uses a new protocol called ZRTP, which has a better architecture than the other approaches to secure VoIP." http://zfoneproject.com/ |
| 19:43.54 | Brenduh | I'm not married to skype but I thought it was the only one that worked with the nokia |
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| 19:45.04 | zap | jott: problem is, it's not the same info |
| 19:48.10 | pupnik | Brenduh: there's also 'gizmo' voip, and iirc some other alternative |
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| 19:48.28 | pupnik | i'm curious if anyone in maemo knows about better alternatives, or zfone specificially |
| 19:48.32 | Brenduh | ahh ok thanks |
| 19:49.16 | GeneralAntilles | Gizmo/sipphone.com + rtcomm is the way to do VoIP, in my opinion. |
| 19:49.37 | Brenduh | just finshed installing 07, we'll see if that works better |
| 19:50.49 | pupnik | ty GeneralAntilles. your general knowledge of tablets is vast. |
| 19:51.34 | GeneralAntilles | Only because I waste all of my time with them. :P ;) |
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| 19:53.10 | Brenduh | much better, thank you for the info! |
| 19:55.14 | GeneralAntilles | The rtcomm beta has a preset for Gizmo |
| 19:55.21 | GeneralAntilles | Which makes adding an account for it a little easier |
| 19:55.36 | GeneralAntilles | but if you don't want to install the beta, just remember "proxy01.sipphone.com" |
| 19:56.58 | GeneralAntilles | lbt, thanks for splitting, that works a lot better. |
| 19:58.00 | Stskeeps | hm. CAL. how much stuff can you store in --root-device without it splitting open? |
| 19:59.46 | pupnik | thanks, GeneralAntilles: saved |
| 20:00.03 | Brenduh | thanks again for your help |
| 20:00.14 | pupnik | do you have any recommendation for a remote client to a music server (PC attached to home stereo)? |
| 20:00.29 | pupnik | so i can use tablet as a remote to pick /play music |
| 20:00.47 | pupnik | was looking at xmms2 on the PC and a networkable client for the tablet |
| 20:01.05 | mikkov_ | qt4 failed again ;) (bzip2) |
| 20:01.17 | GeneralAntilles | mpd + mmpc |
| 20:01.33 | GeneralAntilles | Or some other mpd client. |
| 20:01.46 | pupnik | interesting, thanks again |
| 20:01.56 | GeneralAntilles | http://mmpc.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 20:02.45 | GeneralAntilles | I'm really thinking a simplification and slimming-down of maemo.org would be useful for the redesign. |
| 20:03.04 | Stskeeps | odd quote of the day.. , from /dev/mtd0: "Yup, there it is. Stand by for some Linux pleasure. |
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| 20:10.41 | GeneralAntilles | would like to figure out what to do about the Internet Tablet OS -> Maemo changeover on wikipedia. . . . |
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| 20:16.10 | GeneralAntilles | I don't think qgil really understood my question when I asked on the wiki. |
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| 20:17.46 | pupnik | then restate the question perhaps |
| 20:18.10 | GeneralAntilles | Tried and failed again |
| 20:18.15 | GeneralAntilles | Then gave up |
| 20:18.20 | GeneralAntilles | Now he's on vacation. ;) |
| 20:20.29 | pupnik | well earned i'm sure |
| 20:20.53 | GeneralAntilles | Quite |
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| 20:46.13 | RST38h | The death match on Wednesday is still on! =) |
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| 20:51.00 | mikkov_ | zap: now bzip2 seems to be working :) |
| 20:51.10 | zap | surprise :( |
| 20:51.29 | jott | zap: what's the difference? and if there is one is it really necessary to differ from the "officially sanctioned" mime definitions?! |
| 20:52.06 | zap | jott: every package provides mime types for used file format, what's unclear here? |
| 20:52.34 | jott | zap: wrong |
| 20:53.28 | jott | zap: that would imply conflicting files when two packages support the same mime types. |
| 20:53.56 | jott | (both with the same content and the same file location) |
| 20:54.29 | zap | and? |
| 20:54.34 | jott | that's why there is a "SHARED-mime-info" for all basic mime types. |
| 20:54.40 | zap | update-mime-types cope with this fine, don't worry |
| 20:54.44 | jott | no |
| 20:54.45 | jott | wrong |
| 20:54.47 | zap | yes |
| 20:54.55 | zap | thats why mime definitions have a priority |
| 20:56.57 | jott | ok, put it this way. how many debian packages provide mime types? |
| 20:57.27 | jott | how many of them provide an extra desktop file so it can actually handle the types? |
| 20:57.39 | zap | I have not counted, but found many |
| 20:57.48 | jott | about 10-20 maybe |
| 20:58.14 | jott | (which do not handle the type) |
| 20:58.23 | jott | the shared-mime-info provides nearly all of them. |
| 20:59.56 | zap | shared-mime-info provides nothing |
| 20:59.57 | zap | do dpkg -L shared-mime-info before saying this |
| 20:59.57 | jott | yeah i see that maemo s-m-i sucks |
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| 20:59.57 | jott | because it's from 1999 or so :) |
| 20:59.58 | rm_you | woo 1999 :P |
| 21:00.39 | jott | that's why i suggested to provide a recent freedesktop based s-m-i (maybe s-m-i-freedesktop) |
| 21:01.11 | zap | no, its because Nokia take the decision (and I can understand why) to not include the whole 1Mb freedesktop.xml in the default distro |
| 21:01.30 | zap | and as far as I understand their approach, every applications carries his MIME types with it |
| 21:01.38 | timely | you mean MBs of storage don't grow on trees? |
| 21:01.39 | zap | and thats what I'm trying to follow |
| 21:01.54 | zap | I mean NITs do everything to save space |
| 21:03.42 | jott | but bzip2 does not acctually handle the mime type from a desktop perspective. |
| 21:04.50 | zap | and tar does not provide a handler from desktop perspective |
| 21:05.00 | zap | and neverless, the debian tar package contains the mime type definition |
| 21:05.26 | RST38h | wait, gentlemen, what are you trying to do? |
| 21:05.46 | jott | zap: well it's mime type actually binds an action. |
| 21:05.56 | RST38h | I am looking at your discussion and it sounds like there is already a way to do what you want |
| 21:06.02 | jott | it's not a type defintion |
| 21:06.27 | zap | jott: MIME type definitions don't define actions |
| 21:06.32 | jott | RST38h: it's more a design decision |
| 21:06.40 | jott | application/x-tar; /bin/tar tvf -; print=/bin/tar tvf - | print text/plain:-; copiousoutput |
| 21:06.43 | jott | application/x-gtar; /bin/tar tvzf -; print=/bin/tar tvzf - | print text/plain:-; copiousoutput |
| 21:06.50 | jott | that's what's in your tar "mime type" |
| 21:06.55 | RST38h | jott: There is a directory with mime definitions and there is a directory with .desktop files |
| 21:07.08 | jott | RST38h: yes. |
| 21:07.11 | RST38h | jott: A mime definition simply says "file with this extension or content has this type" |
| 21:07.24 | RST38h | jott: The .desktop file says "this application supports these mime types" |
| 21:07.26 | jott | yes |
| 21:07.27 | jott | right |
| 21:07.48 | jott | my point is, an application that provides a mimetype *should* also provide the desktop |
| 21:07.59 | RST38h | oh...not necessarily |
| 21:08.20 | RST38h | what if there are multiple applications for a type (let us say .pdf) |
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| 21:08.50 | RST38h | OR I may decide to add a mime type but not support it in the current app version |
| 21:08.50 | jott | then we have a problem when there is no shared-mime-info |
| 21:09.01 | jott | well actually not. |
| 21:09.03 | RST38h | what problem? |
| 21:09.49 | jott | ok, to rephrase it. who should provide mime types? |
| 21:10.05 | zap | and who? |
| 21:11.01 | jott | in best case, a shared mime info given by the freedesktop standards. |
| 21:11.18 | RST38h | whoever has intention to access files of these types |
| 21:11.28 | jott | or, in case of a single application, it should in a best case also provide the desktop |
| 21:11.57 | jott | RST38h: so it clutters? |
| 21:12.17 | jott | like 20 apps handling the same type should all put the same mime info in there? |
| 21:12.36 | jott | or not even handling them from a desktop view |
| 21:12.37 | zap | like I said, update-mime-types can cope with this |
| 21:12.42 | jott | sure |
| 21:12.50 | zap | it is *designed* to see several xml files that define same MIME info |
| 21:12.53 | jott | i never said it would not work. |
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| 21:13.17 | RST38h | jott: it may |
| 21:13.22 | zap | allright, look at the existing xml files in /usr/share/mime/packages/ |
| 21:13.35 | RST38h | there is no problem with it |
| 21:13.36 | zap | they are all provided by some separate package that handles the respective format |
| 21:13.52 | RST38h | it is quite possible that multiple apps will be able to handle a type |
| 21:14.21 | jott | RST38h: sure. my design question was, should all clutter mime or should one promote the official freedesktop standard. |
| 21:14.35 | zap | why you call that 'clutter'? |
| 21:15.14 | RST38h | probably the first |
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| 21:15.31 | jott | .. ok.. |
| 21:15.36 | RST38h | because MIME has always assumed ability to add new private types |
| 21:15.38 | zap | besides, my approach is to provide not only a MIME type, but icons for this file type |
| 21:15.46 | RST38h | if you only follow freedesktop you can't do that |
| 21:15.51 | zap | and thats will be a lot more than 1Mb... if it provides them all |
| 21:16.26 | jott | RST38h: sure. but those actually IN there? for new unsupported types thats perfectly fine. |
| 21:16.51 | jott | anyway. |
| 21:16.59 | jott | we disagree and i don't think we will agree. |
| 21:17.05 | jott | it's ok. |
| 21:17.09 | jott | i accept your opinion. |
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| 21:19.24 | RST38h | jott: well, having a default set of types probably wouldn't harm |
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| 21:20.43 | RST38h | But I do not see this as a very important feature, more like a neat thing to have |
| 21:21.44 | jott | RST38h: yeah well, it's actually already there in the freedesktop.org.xml just needs to be put in place ;) |
| 21:23.22 | RST38h | if it takes a lot of space in flash and/or takes long time to parse when loading, then it is a problem |
| 21:23.36 | RST38h | I have no idea why Nokia hasn't used it though |
| 21:23.50 | jott | jffs2 should compress it fairly well. |
| 21:24.18 | timely | RST38h: did you talk to leonid? |
| 21:25.01 | RST38h | timely: yes. he seems to think it is adblock |
| 21:25.28 | jott | adblock slows the browser drastically down ... |
| 21:25.29 | RST38h | says he is getting 5s to open a microb window |
| 21:25.43 | RST38h | well, I can just test right now |
| 21:25.51 | moontiger | yes i second that with adblock and performance ... i uninstalled it |
| 21:25.54 | timely | adblock is indeed a good guess |
| 21:26.04 | timely | adblock on launch iirc will try to update all of its block lists |
| 21:26.09 | timely | or something similarly stupid :) |
| 21:26.14 | RST38h | only if you ask for it |
| 21:26.14 | jott | my startup times ~tripled. |
| 21:26.19 | moontiger | thats what i guessed was happening too |
| 21:26.19 | timely | shrugs |
| 21:26.23 | jott | (with adblock installed) |
| 21:26.35 | timely | anyway... thanks.. that's good. i'll make that point 5 in my "how to break microb and blame us" |
| 21:26.38 | RST38h | but you are not getting any ads right? |
| 21:26.47 | jott | RST38h: right :) |
| 21:26.49 | timely | i turn off image loading :) |
| 21:26.55 | RST38h | timely: do wait until I test it |
| 21:27.06 | moontiger | im happy with flashblock ... the other ads arent so heavy imo |
| 21:27.07 | timely | RST38h: i wouldn't push until i got to work :) |
| 21:28.52 | RST38h | timely: In the meanwhile, looks like some (if not all) livejournal.com pages send browserd into a loop |
| 21:29.08 | chelli | zap: the is still no fixed unrar-nonfree in diablo-extras-devel *puncturing-you-with-a-needle* ;-) |
| 21:29.23 | zap | yes, it is |
| 21:29.38 | timely | RST38h: sadly i have bigger issues atm |
| 21:29.46 | zap | I'll fix it RSN |
| 21:29.48 | RST38h | timely: even bigger issues? |
| 21:29.51 | timely | a primary service i work on was disabled because it was killing its host |
| 21:30.03 | RST38h | is it world peace? =) |
| 21:30.07 | moontiger | hehe |
| 21:30.09 | timely | the server is used my many developers and is the stage for a service used by most mozilla devs |
| 21:30.19 | timely | it's also the upstream for a service used by maemo devs @nokia and mxr.maemo.org |
| 21:30.23 | moontiger | what was / is the service if i may ask? |
| 21:30.26 | timely | i need to solve that before i play w/ anything else |
| 21:30.29 | chelli | zap: (it is still 3.8.2-1maemo1 which has the size-mismatch) :) |
| 21:30.39 | timely | moontiger: well, you can't see the down version :) |
| 21:30.46 | moontiger | heh right |
| 21:30.47 | timely | mxr.mozilla.org is the live one, mxr.maemo.org is the maemo equiv |
| 21:30.48 | moontiger | :) |
| 21:31.00 | moontiger | what does it do? |
| 21:32.00 | timely | if you can't figure that out at first, but figure it out later |
| 21:32.11 | timely | i'm accepting patches to improve it so that you wouldn't have to ask |
| 21:32.21 | timely | i really don't have time to answer. and it should be self explanatory |
| 21:32.28 | moontiger | i actually went and read the page ... now i get it ... sorry :| |
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| 21:34.06 | RST38h | where do I find updated rtcomm components? |
| 21:34.40 | moontiger | so the service is bringing the server down because the indexing crawler(s) are too intensive? |
| 21:35.04 | timely | nope |
| 21:35.12 | timely | i'm told it's actually the /source/ script |
| 21:35.22 | timely | which was recently "optimized" by adding caching |
| 21:35.28 | timely | but i have no idea what's going wrong |
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| 21:35.49 | GeneralAntilles | AdBlock kills MicroB. Hosts/CSS is the way to block ads. |
| 21:36.01 | timely | GeneralAntilles: what's the status on the bugs.maemo reorg? |
| 21:36.08 | moontiger | wonder if the caching tripped the swap file usage or something |
| 21:36.12 | GeneralAntilles | timely, no visible progress. |
| 21:36.22 | GeneralAntilles | The logs from the bugzilla meeting are up. |
| 21:36.29 | timely | moontiger: the process went over 1gb a couple of times |
| 21:36.31 | RST38h | does not kill microb for me |
| 21:36.33 | timely | i have no idea |
| 21:36.35 | GeneralAntilles | Basically blocked by guenther's work on the templates at this point. |
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| 21:37.20 | timely | ok |
| 21:37.28 | timely | the last visit to source before it was killed was by msnbot ... |
| 21:37.32 | timely | grumbles |
| 21:37.54 | GeneralAntilles | timely, bookmark http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/ |
| 21:37.57 | jott | is there actually an explanation why adblock makes the microb startup so slow? |
| 21:38.07 | RST38h | it loads stuff |
| 21:38.14 | GeneralAntilles | I just got back from vacation, and haven't yet gotten back to sitting on people. |
| 21:38.18 | timely | jott: there are a couple of profilers available if you want to try playing w/ them |
| 21:38.32 | RST38h | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 21:38.32 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:38.32 | timely | best of all, i have no idea which of two mxr's was actually responsible for the death |
| 21:38.45 | jott | RST38h: yeah but SO slow?.. |
| 21:38.47 | RST38h | Any ideas of what would be holding back these? |
| 21:38.50 | moontiger | wow sounds like fun ... not |
| 21:38.54 | RST38h | jott: it is JavaScript |
| 21:39.25 | jott | RST38h: still shouldn't be that slow if done right :) |
| 21:39.42 | lbt | anyone know about mounting jffs2 on mtd devices? I'm getting jffs2_scan_eraseblock(): Magic bitmask 0x1985 not found at 0x07f40aa8: 0x0104 instead |
| 21:39.50 | timely | moontiger: and of course, there's no guarantee that the last request was actually the cause of death... it's just a more likely candidate |
| 21:39.52 | moontiger | jott: depends on the implemntation of the hpptrequests in the browser code i guess |
| 21:40.11 | GeneralAntilles | I'd rather seen AdBlock taken down, personally. So many newbies install it and then blame the resulting slowness on MicroB. . . . |
| 21:40.32 | moontiger | timely: yah |
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| 21:40.35 | Blastur | hello! |
| 21:40.47 | jaska | but browsing on such a small display with ads its... frustrating, unless you limit yourself to known-good sites |
| 21:40.55 | GeneralAntilles | should maybe talk krisse into doing a Tablet School article on ad blocking |
| 21:40.59 | GeneralAntilles | jaska, hosts/css |
| 21:41.38 | Blastur | anyone know if its possible to connect a joystick to the n810? |
| 21:41.41 | timely | moontiger: it wasn't a good experience, the box admin just "killed" the files |
| 21:41.43 | jott | but with hosts you can't block http://goodsite.com/ads/ .. :/ |
| 21:41.44 | Blastur | i mean, does it supply enough power |
| 21:41.46 | timely | and didn't send me an email |
| 21:41.51 | timely | he figured i'd "notice eventually" |
| 21:41.56 | moontiger | wow nice! |
| 21:42.00 | moontiger | what a great guy |
| 21:42.02 | timely | it turns out there are a series of cron jobs that did start yelling at me |
| 21:42.10 | timely | so i looked, and indeed the directories were missing |
| 21:42.22 | timely | but no hint as to where they went or why (or who killed / moved them) |
| 21:42.30 | timely | oh, and it was friday, and i was about to turn into a pumpkin |
| 21:42.34 | GeneralAntilles | jott, that's where CSS comes in. |
| 21:42.39 | moontiger | right |
| 21:42.58 | timely | anyway... i got him, and he thankfully moved them to ~timeless/ |
| 21:43.07 | timely | so they're not lost *phew* |
| 21:43.23 | moontiger | so this is indexing and xref'ing the maemo stuff? |
| 21:43.25 | jott | GeneralAntilles: yeah well... i would rather have a sane adblock ;) |
| 21:43.44 | timely | moontiger: the mxr.maemo.org one does, yes |
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| 21:44.07 | timely | note that it's somewhat still, the hosting provider there ran into an issue w/ their file system store and until that's fixed, i shouldn't push updates |
| 21:44.34 | timely | we kinda suspect my data was the ton of bricks (they're like straw) that broke the camel's back :( |
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| 21:45.23 | moontiger | how much data did u generate? |
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| 21:46.28 | jott | does greasemonkey for mircob "work" or has it similar problems as adblock? |
| 21:47.30 | timely | moontiger: well, the indexes in some cases are 1/2 gb each :) |
| 21:47.40 | timely | but mostly it's the sources themselves are gbs (say 22 in one case) |
| 21:47.45 | moontiger | wow thats a lot of data to be moving around |
| 21:47.53 | timely | no kidding :) |
| 21:48.02 | timely | and for added fun, i'm behind a firewall |
| 21:48.08 | timely | which means i get to use rsync + ssh tunneling |
| 21:48.23 | timely | oh, and i can never find the right command when i need it :) |
| 21:48.39 | RST38h | timely: 6.48 with browserd running and adblock disabled |
| 21:49.45 | GeneralAntilles | jott, somewhat similar to adblock last time I tried. |
| 21:50.09 | GeneralAntilles | The page renders normally, then the GreaseMonkey scripts are applied and the page is re-rendered. :\ |
| 21:50.15 | RST38h | timely: 8.73 without browserd and without adblock |
| 21:50.37 | timely | RST38h: much closer to our targets |
| 21:50.43 | timely | now you understand why we were mistified? |
| 21:50.54 | timely | not perfect, it's supposed to be <5 iirc |
| 21:51.07 | timely | mystified ? |
| 21:51.10 | timely | sighs |
| 21:51.36 | jott | GeneralAntilles: :( |
| 21:52.12 | GeneralAntilles | throws lots of grenades at the browser team to mistify them. |
| 21:52.40 | timely | GeneralAntilles: i'm almost done reading the log |
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| 21:55.03 | RST38h | timely: still <3sec difference |
| 21:55.38 | RST38h | so it looks like you are wasting memory for browserd to gain <3sec load time difference |
| 21:55.56 | timely | sorry |
| 21:56.06 | timely | getting it into that 5s window was really a requriement |
| 21:56.13 | timely | plus there's a slightly more interesting point |
| 21:56.20 | timely | browserd has multiple consumers |
| 21:56.23 | moontiger | is it not possible for the adblock plugin to defer updating the lists until a few seconds after the browser has loaded |
| 21:56.26 | moontiger | ? |
| 21:56.31 | timely | perhaps mail or chat or the tutorial |
| 21:56.39 | timely | and we don't want those apps to crash just because gecko does |
| 21:57.06 | timely | GeneralAntilles: so where's the blog? i want to subscribe to bugjar |
| 21:57.17 | timely | also, did sjgadsby put in the old jar entries? |
| 21:57.24 | timely | because there's nothing that says a blog can't have old content |
| 21:57.51 | RST38h | oh, one browserd can serve multiple clients? |
| 21:58.05 | jott | moontiger: it actually does not need to do automatic updates at all.... well once a month would more than suffice. |
| 21:58.10 | GeneralAntilles | timely, I never got a URL. |
| 21:58.31 | moontiger | jott: so why does it do that by default?? |
| 21:58.42 | GeneralAntilles | I don't think he ever followed up to get it onto planet, either. |
| 21:58.47 | jott | moontiger: don't ask me :) |
| 21:58.53 | timely | RST38h: try the tutorial. afair it is a browserd client |
| 21:58.53 | moontiger | heh :) |
| 21:58.58 | timely | i can't remember any others |
| 21:59.06 | timely | but i know internally there are plans for a couple of others |
| 21:59.17 | timely | no guarantees of release cycles or anything :) |
| 21:59.46 | jott | moontiger: probably because it's an 1:1 port from the desktop version, with just the xul ui removed ;) |
| 22:00.19 | jott | (and maybe an extra delay added :P |
| 22:00.27 | moontiger | jott: right ... *laughs* |
| 22:00.31 | timely | there's no guarantee of quality w/ the -extras ports |
| 22:00.38 | timely | in fact, there's a history of some major bugs in them :) |
| 22:00.47 | lbt | is jffs2 endian |
| 22:01.05 | timely | lbt: jffs2 isn't the future as you can see from #maemo logs and itt :) |
| 22:01.19 | jott | timely: you should slap people and enforce quality :) |
| 22:01.28 | timely | EBUSY |
| 22:01.30 | GeneralAntilles | Just as well that Browser Extras isn't in maemo.org Extras. |
| 22:01.38 | lbt | it may not be the future |
| 22:01.39 | jott | timely: just slap then then ;) |
| 22:01.44 | jott | them |
| 22:01.47 | lbt | but Chinook comes with it |
| 22:02.02 | lbt | and I want to take the chinook jffs2 and put it on my nit |
| 22:02.03 | moontiger | chinook isnt the future either tho is it? |
| 22:02.16 | timely | lbt: can chinook boot off an mmc running ext2? |
| 22:02.18 | GeneralAntilles | Chinook is quite clearly the past. |
| 22:02.27 | jott | timely: yes. |
| 22:02.27 | lbt | I'll let you know |
| 22:02.39 | lbt | OTOH I'd like my app to work on chinook |
| 22:02.42 | timely | pretend jffs2 doesn't exist, and move along w/ life |
| 22:02.49 | lbt | so I want a chinook image to test |
| 22:03.11 | lbt | OK - tell me how to setup multiboot... |
| 22:03.16 | lbt | https://wiki.maemo.org/Advanced_booting |
| 22:03.20 | timely | fwiw, i'm generally not opposed to dwelling in the past, i run 10.3.9 after all :) |
| 22:03.30 | lbt | I want to extract from jffs2 |
| 22:03.31 | timely | (and various old versions of Maemo) |
| 22:03.56 | lbt | my script on that page results in executables that say |
| 22:03.57 | jott | prepares an shiny exploit package for timely |
| 22:04.18 | timely | ENOTWORTHIT |
| 22:04.18 | lbt | ooh... chroot /mnt/chinook/ /bin/sh.... chroot: cannot execute /bin/sh: Exec format error |
| 22:04.28 | lbt | EIDONTCARE |
| 22:04.30 | timely | GeneralAntilles: https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Getting_Nokia_involved_in_Bugzilla is kinda empty |
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| 22:04.37 | jott | but it's shiny :O |
| 22:04.41 | RST38h | FSLEEP |
| 22:04.47 | timely | jott: true |
| 22:05.05 | timely | lbt: ls -lf /mnt/chinook/bin/sh |
| 22:05.10 | lbt | and - all this frigging about has taught me lots about incidentals :) |
| 22:05.25 | lbt | busybox symlink |
| 22:05.39 | timely | try running busybox instead? |
| 22:05.45 | lbt | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Aug 3 17:50 /mnt/chinook/bin/sh -> busybox |
| 22:05.48 | lbt | I did |
| 22:06.02 | lbt | ./busybox: line 1: syntax error: "(" unexpected |
| 22:06.12 | lbt | I wondered about corruption during the rsync |
| 22:06.27 | lbt | but the config files in etc are OK |
| 22:06.32 | jott | windows line endings? :) |
| 22:06.52 | lbt | I don't have that OS on any of my machines |
| 22:07.01 | lbt | but that's not to say... |
| 22:07.07 | jott | just a blind guess .. |
| 22:07.12 | lbt | 's fair |
| 22:07.53 | lbt | I used the script on the page I linked to get the files into my chinook partition |
| 22:08.06 | lbt | but the executables don't execute |
| 22:08.07 | jott | "I used this script (which doesn't work yet)" haha wiki fin :) |
| 22:08.09 | jott | fun |
| 22:08.15 | lbt | I get Exec format errors |
| 22:08.28 | lbt | during linuxrc execution |
| 22:08.31 | timely | for kicks, try just running it w/ chroot |
| 22:08.34 | lbt | just after the pivot_root |
| 22:08.37 | timely | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.42 | lbt | I did |
| 22:08.47 | timely | what's it say? |
| 22:08.53 | lbt | hold on |
| 22:09.11 | lbt | chroot: cannot execute /bin/sh: Exec format error |
| 22:09.25 | lbt | which is where it all began.... |
| 22:09.40 | lbt | and I went down the "is jffs2 endian rabbit hole" |
| 22:09.51 | lbt | then I checked ./etc/ and the files there are OK |
| 22:09.54 | GeneralAntilles | timely, I tried to provoke some discussion on that during the meeting with lame results. |
| 22:10.03 | GeneralAntilles | pokes andre____ with a sharpened stick. |
| 22:10.18 | timely | GeneralAntilles: the pages don't seem to work in safari 1.x |
| 22:10.23 | timely | one of them worked in ff2 |
| 22:10.41 | GeneralAntilles | Oh? |
| 22:10.43 | GeneralAntilles | Reload |
| 22:10.44 | lbt | should Chinook work on a Diablo kernel? |
| 22:10.52 | GeneralAntilles | Apache threads are segfaulting in the wiki |
| 22:11.00 | lbt | or rather a diablo initfs |
| 22:11.02 | GeneralAntilles | Basically waiting on the server upgrades for a fix at this point. . . . |
| 22:11.30 | GeneralAntilles | lbt, probably |
| 22:11.34 | GeneralAntilles | No guarantees, though. |
| 22:11.49 | lbt | and there's no kexec yet |
| 22:12.06 | timely | oh youch |
| 22:12.24 | timely | lbt: probably not the whole thing |
| 22:12.36 | timely | but busybox should either give you a useful error or work if the binary is proper |
| 22:12.37 | lbt | the other thing that made me wonder was my host gave a lot of these errors when I loopback mounted the jffs2 rootfs to get the chinook image off |
| 22:12.43 | lbt | jffs2_scan_eraseblock(): Magic bitmask 0x1985 not found at 0x07f48024: 0xa4db instead |
| 22:12.44 | timely | it's a way to test for file corruption |
| 22:13.00 | lbt | I agree timely |
| 22:13.01 | jott | lbt: that does not sound sane. |
| 22:13.09 | lbt | indeed |
| 22:13.18 | lbt | I suspect the loopback mount isn't right |
| 22:13.18 | timely | and yeah, "that sounds BAD" |
| 22:13.32 | timely | ok |
| 22:13.33 | lbt | and hence I wondered if it was endian |
| 22:13.39 | lbt | and I think that's where I came in :D |
| 22:13.40 | timely | it seems like my biggest consumer on friday was msnbot |
| 22:14.00 | jott | now microsoft has all of the maemo code :O |
| 22:14.11 | jott | ok, the open parts ;) |
| 22:14.14 | lbt | I also found this quote on a Gentoo page :The image is an Little Endian jffs2 image. To mount it on Big Endian architectures (like PowerPC) it'll have to be converted: |
| 22:14.26 | timely | my other consumer was a libwww-perl script trying to exploit some service |
| 22:14.38 | lbt | and, IINM the arm is a different endian to the x86 |
| 22:14.42 | lbt | but I'm not sure |
| 22:14.44 | jott | lbt: maemo is armel. |
| 22:14.46 | timely | jott: it was spidering mozilla not maemo |
| 22:14.59 | lbt | armel -endian little? |
| 22:14.59 | jott | timely: ah so they have firefox now ;) |
| 22:15.04 | lbt | same as x86? |
| 22:15.04 | timely | yep |
| 22:15.16 | lbt | ok - so it's not that... |
| 22:15.33 | lbt | goes digging for shiney things again... |
| 22:15.57 | jott | lbt: maybe the jffs2 version is incompatible. |
| 22:16.12 | lbt | I'm on 2.6.27-rc2 |
| 22:16.16 | lbt | so maybe |
| 22:16.28 | lbt | I was just looking for mount options - |
| 22:16.38 | lbt | the mtd2block driver |
| 22:16.44 | lbt | has options to set the erase size |
| 22:16.49 | jott | hehe -o justfcknwork |
| 22:16.56 | lbt | so I need to find out how the jffs2 image was made |
| 22:17.01 | lbt | I wish it would!! |
| 22:17.16 | lbt | I *WILL* make it |
| 22:17.35 | jott | isn't there some tool that can just extract a jffs2 image? |
| 22:17.45 | lbt | jffs2dump |
| 22:17.49 | lbt | I've seen |
| 22:17.56 | lbt | but I want it to mount dammit |
| 22:18.51 | lbt | the source for block2mtd (IIRC) suggests that the erasesize is adjustable |
| 22:19.27 | lbt | I think it's an undocumented feature passed in after a , |
| 22:20.09 | jott | lbt: have you googled for your error? gives quite some results :) |
| 22:20.27 | lbt | yes - they didn't seem helpful |
| 22:20.44 | lbt | I think it is just corruption - but I'm not 100% sure |
| 22:22.04 | lbt | the 'services' file in mnt/chinook/etc terminates abruptly at ircd 6667/tcp # Internet Relay |
| 22:22.18 | lbt | after 16384 bytes |
| 22:22.35 | timely | youch |
| 22:22.40 | timely | that's a magicish number |
| 22:22.50 | lbt | it is isn't it :) |
| 22:23.11 | lbt | I'm going with corruption and a bad erasesize on the loopback mount |
| 22:23.27 | lbt | now, how do I analyse a jffs2 image to determine creation attributes? |
| 22:23.37 | lbt | is thinking out loud |
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| 22:25.26 | lbt | hmm fanoush does $MYDIR/mkfs.jffs2 -r initfs -o $1 -e 128 -l -n |
| 22:28.41 | lbt | ouch - just tickled a BUG |
| 22:29.48 | timely | OOPS? :) |
| 22:30.01 | GeneralAntilles | really hates the "Email, Digg, Spam This!" spam on planet posts. . . . |
| 22:30.10 | lbt | on my host |
| 22:30.37 | GeneralAntilles | Looks like aisu stole your WB theme, timely. ;) http://planet.maemo.org |
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| 22:30.49 | lbt | http://pastebin.com/d3f79d629 |
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| 22:35.03 | lbt | <sigh>, reboot bbl |
| 22:37.24 | timely | heh |
| 22:37.54 | timely | nice choice of art, and given that i can't get WB here (my DVR is broken) i think i'll just smile :) |
| 22:38.16 | timely | the xp theme for it is impressive |
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| 22:38.54 | timely | chuckles |
| 22:39.02 | timely | i guess people really don't like vala :) |
| 22:39.18 | lbt | why? |
| 22:39.44 | timely | check out the bottom of planet-maemo |
| 22:40.03 | timely | the vala item (not by zeenix) is +1 -6 |
| 22:40.11 | timely | which is possibly a record for bad karma |
| 22:42.16 | lbt | are you sure it's not just because it's an inane comment? |
| 22:45.09 | timely | no, too lazy to check |
| 22:45.16 | timely | oh |
| 22:45.20 | timely | it really is just one comment? |
| 22:45.26 | lbt | yep |
| 22:45.31 | timely | alright, let's make it -7 :) |
| 22:45.33 | ywwg | so I created a new application for maemo. I call it "I Am Free." It displays a red gem and costs absolutely nothing |
| 22:45.33 | lbt | I was interested in vala... |
| 22:45.37 | ywwg | :D |
| 22:45.43 | lbt | yawns |
| 22:46.11 | timely | ok, -7 it is :) |
| 22:46.16 | ywwg | get it while it's hot: http://ywwg.com/maemo/i_am_free-diablo.install |
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| 22:48.21 | crashanddie | anyone ever had the issue of flash video not working correctly on a 770 ? |
| 22:48.37 | timely | um, it's not going to work |
| 22:48.45 | timely | flash video gets feature upgrades w/ each flash release |
| 22:48.51 | timely | (8.5, 9, 9.5, 10) |
| 22:48.58 | timely | flash on 770 is older |
| 22:49.20 | crashanddie | apparently my vic has flash 9 on his 770 (2007HE) |
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| 22:50.02 | timely | shrugs |
| 22:50.12 | timely | unless i'm mistaken that's unlicensed |
| 22:50.21 | timely | please correct me if i'm wrong |
| 22:50.41 | crashanddie | I don't know |
| 22:52.33 | timely | the general story is that people pay adobe for flash by the unit(w/ specified os) |
| 22:52.50 | timely | and nokia would not have paid adobe for flash9 on 770 |
| 22:53.48 | lbt | anyone here running chinook - could you tell me what "cat /proc/mtd" says? |
| 22:54.00 | lbt | the rootfs line |
| 22:54.51 | GeneralAntilles | Flash 9 on the 770 is unlicensed |
| 22:55.02 | GeneralAntilles | but some people grab it from an N800/N810 |
| 22:55.20 | GeneralAntilles | It really doesn't have the horsepower for in-browser flash video |
| 22:55.26 | GeneralAntilles | They should use mplayer if they really need it. |
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| 22:55.44 | timely | i'm not really sure what the rules on that are, but in general, it's probably not very nice to ask an unwitting person about that... |
| 22:56.12 | pupnik | this is AWESOME: Homemade Handheld Helicopter --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_QOLk1V7sw |
| 22:57.24 | timely | heh |
| 22:57.31 | timely | nokia sells an extended device warranty? |
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| 22:57.49 | timely | or is that compusa? |
| 22:57.59 | GeneralAntilles | Gotta be CompUSA |
| 22:58.16 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia doesn't even have parts for the 770 anymore. |
| 22:59.29 | timely | that could be so interesting |
| 22:59.35 | timely | the last time i dealt w/ compusa on a deal like that |
| 22:59.51 | timely | i (well my dad) got a free upgrade from a 386 to a 486 because a part failed :) |
| 23:00.25 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia was either doing payouts or replacements with N800s for a lot of 770 owners with WSoDs. |
| 23:01.09 | GeneralAntilles | I'm surprised by the number of people reporting dramatically improved tablet experiences going Chinook -> Diablo. |
| 23:01.16 | lbt | my 3yr old Canon S1 had a dodgy sensor and it got replace with a spanking new S5 'cos they were out of stock of the sensors :) |
| 23:01.24 | GeneralAntilles | I mean, Diablo's nice, but it isn't really a dramatic improvement |
| 23:01.30 | timely | GeneralAntilles: interesting |
| 23:01.41 | GeneralAntilles | Makes me think a lot of people had some godawful-broken Chinook installs. |
| 23:02.52 | lbt | WOOHOO!!!! |
| 23:02.54 | GeneralAntilles | lbt, I'm going to see if I can work a deal for my mother's old S500 for a discount on a refurbed Rebel. |
| 23:03.19 | lbt | they're nice |
| 23:03.48 | GeneralAntilles | My dad got an XTi for a 25-year company anniversary present |
| 23:03.55 | GeneralAntilles | I'd like to get an XT or something for myself. |
| 23:04.34 | lbt | I have a D30 |
| 23:04.36 | lbt | :D |
| 23:04.47 | GeneralAntilles | Whore. |
| 23:04.48 | lbt | original and not the best! |
| 23:05.00 | lbt | really need an upgrade now |
| 23:05.19 | GeneralAntilles | My buddy just got a free D80 from some crazy old woman he knows in Bermuda. |
| 23:05.28 | lbt | no, this is the pre 30D,20D,10D,D60 version |
| 23:06.03 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, the august sprint is supposed to be in 4 days, how come the wiki is empty ? |
| 23:06.13 | GeneralAntilles | 22, isn't it? |
| 23:06.25 | crashanddie | Planning meeting organized in the #maemo-meeting IRC channel on Tuesday 2008/08/12 |
| 23:06.34 | GeneralAntilles | Mostly because Quim is now on vacation, anyway. |
| 23:06.50 | crashanddie | sooo... Quim goes to hug a beach, and everyone stops working ? :D |
| 23:07.06 | GeneralAntilles | Well, Quim does most of that work. ;) |
| 23:07.22 | lbt | anyhow - the answer is: echo "/dev/loop0,128KiB" > /sys/module/block2mtd/parameters/block2mtd |
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