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| 01:05.32 | [yzf600] | howdy |
| 01:05.41 | [yzf600] | I wrote a pygtk app for my maemo |
| 01:05.55 | bef0rd | cool. |
| 01:06.04 | [yzf600] | It opens up port 21234 and listens for any connections |
| 01:06.12 | [yzf600] | I can't connect to it, however |
| 01:06.35 | [yzf600] | I have debugged the socket on my localhost (desktop) and it works like a charm |
| 01:06.54 | pupnik | waitaminute. does n810 gps give altitude info? |
| 01:06.54 | [yzf600] | the client just can't connect to the pygtk app on the maemo: socket.error: (111, 'Connection refused') |
| 01:07.45 | [yzf600] | is there some network settings I need to tweak to get it to accept connections? |
| 01:08.19 | bef0rd | I don't think so, are you sure the socket is listening? |
| 01:09.19 | [yzf600] | yea |
| 01:09.32 | [yzf600] | I'm pretty sure |
| 01:10.25 | [yzf600] | I set up a gobject for it: sock = socket.socket(socket.AF_INET, socket.SOCK_STREAM) |
| 01:10.29 | [yzf600] | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:10.33 | [yzf600] | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:10.36 | [yzf600] | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:11.20 | bef0rd | I'm not into python programming, but I would do the following to check it, install netcat, run nc -lvvp 21234 and try to connect to it |
| 01:11.21 | [yzf600] | unless the gobject mechanism doesn't work the same on the maemo pygtk |
| 01:11.47 | [yzf600] | you mean run netcat on my 770? |
| 01:11.56 | bef0rd | if you are unable to connect, then it means there's indeed something blocking the connection |
| 01:12.02 | [yzf600] | right |
| 01:12.11 | bef0rd | yea, its available on extras |
| 01:12.19 | [yzf600] | ah yea |
| 01:12.20 | [yzf600] | thanks |
| 01:14.40 | [yzf600] | btw - does this work on a shell : apt-get install xxxx ? |
| 01:14.48 | bef0rd | you need to get root access first |
| 01:14.57 | [yzf600] | right |
| 01:15.00 | [yzf600] | I am root |
| 01:15.11 | bef0rd | it works :) |
| 01:15.34 | [yzf600] | would you happen to know what package netcat is on the gregale (n770) release ? |
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| 01:15.47 | [yzf600] | apt-get install netcat didn't work |
| 01:15.57 | lcuk | apt-cache search netcat should tell you |
| 01:15.57 | bef0rd | oh, don't know if its available for that version |
| 01:16.18 | [yzf600] | nope, no netcat for me |
| 01:16.27 | lcuk | though bef0rd is right, its most likely not standard |
| 01:16.37 | lcuk | theres a repo search site gronmayer or something |
| 01:16.52 | lcuk | i think you can filter to specific release repos |
| 01:18.25 | [yzf600] | ok |
| 01:18.40 | lcuk | looking however, it is only listing it for os2007 |
| 01:18.43 | [yzf600] | so I can put the client on the maemo and have it talk to the server on my desktop |
| 01:18.57 | [yzf600] | but putting the server on the maemo, and the client on the desktop does not work |
| 01:18.59 | [yzf600] | strange |
| 01:19.19 | lcuk | i have a python remote control app here which connects to my home computer |
| 01:19.43 | lcuk | on my 2008 machine it works everytiem theres a connection |
| 01:20.10 | [yzf600] | that sounds like the remote control app is a client and you desktop is the server |
| 01:21.06 | lcuk | yes |
| 01:21.39 | lcuk | the desktop listens for connections then sends keystrokes out to the app on top |
| 01:22.19 | [yzf600] | I'm confused |
| 01:22.49 | [yzf600] | do you press buttons on the nokia screen, and those are sent to your desktop where something is updated? |
| 01:23.11 | lcuk | yes - i play movies on my big screen computer and control them from the nokia |
| 01:23.19 | [yzf600] | oh - ok |
| 01:23.35 | lcuk | but thats what you just said you could flip your app to |
| 01:23.46 | lcuk | or did i mishear you |
| 01:23.52 | [yzf600] | I can get connections from the nokia - desktop |
| 01:23.58 | [yzf600] | but I can't get desktop -> nokia |
| 01:24.13 | [yzf600] | I'm thinking something in the network settings is blocking it |
| 01:24.23 | [yzf600] | perhaps I should try a different port number |
| 01:24.28 | lcuk | its most likely at your big computer end |
| 01:24.40 | lcuk | try running both the client and the server onm the nokia |
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| 01:24.58 | [yzf600] | good idea |
| 01:24.59 | lcuk | try connecting via loopback |
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| 01:25.23 | [yzf600] | both running local works |
| 01:25.39 | lcuk | is your desktop linux or windows? |
| 01:25.49 | [yzf600] | desktop linux |
| 01:26.16 | lcuk | heh, i know nothing about firewalls and networks in linux - but the tablet is pretty open on the network |
| 01:26.26 | lcuk | from what i can gather |
| 01:26.40 | bef0rd | some routers block traffic from LAN to WLAN |
| 01:26.54 | bef0rd | mine had an option for that |
| 01:27.05 | lcuk | yes, without explicit rules thats a possibility |
| 01:27.33 | lcuk | anyway, hope you get it working |
| 01:27.38 | lcuk | im off 2 bed |
| 01:27.46 | [yzf600] | my nokia does respond to pings and I can ssh into it |
| 01:27.47 | [yzf600] | hmm |
| 01:27.55 | [yzf600] | thanks for your suggestions |
| 01:28.02 | bef0rd | ah ok |
| 01:28.09 | bef0rd | night lcuk. |
| 01:28.29 | [yzf600] | different port (1234 instead of 21234) didn't help any |
| 01:28.31 | [yzf600] | hmm |
| 01:28.32 | lcuk | try a lower standard port - i know things like webservers work |
| 01:28.36 | lcuk | lol |
| 01:28.41 | bef0rd | try starting it as root? |
| 01:28.45 | bef0rd | openssh runs as root |
| 01:28.46 | [yzf600] | I am root |
| 01:28.51 | bef0rd | oh. |
| 01:29.57 | [yzf600] | port 999 didn't work |
| 01:30.00 | [yzf600] | let me try 80 |
| 01:30.43 | [yzf600] | no luck with 80 |
| 01:30.56 | bef0rd | try stoping ssh and using 22 :P |
| 01:31.00 | [yzf600] | yea |
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| 01:34.31 | [yzf600] | whopse |
| 01:34.41 | [yzf600] | killed sshd before I fixed the file |
| 01:35.06 | [yzf600] | and vi is a bitch to use via xterm on nokia |
| 01:35.28 | bef0rd | nano ftw |
| 01:38.38 | [yzf600] | hmm - I can't bind to port 22 - permission denied |
| 01:39.19 | jaska | running as user? |
| 01:39.31 | jaska | you need root or capabilities to bind below 1024 |
| 01:41.19 | [yzf600] | do |
| 01:41.21 | [yzf600] | soh |
| 01:41.23 | [yzf600] | doh |
| 01:41.32 | [yzf600] | didn't realize xterm runs as "user" |
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| 01:57.31 | [yzf600] | nmap scan of nokia only shows 1 open port |
| 01:57.50 | [yzf600] | port 22 |
| 01:58.11 | [yzf600] | iptables show up empty |
| 01:58.34 | [yzf600] | I wonder why port 22 is open, but my app running at 1234 can't be seen |
| 01:58.38 | [yzf600] | strange |
| 01:59.09 | [yzf600] | anyone know of any other apps for the nokia that accept socket connections? |
| 01:59.12 | [yzf600] | besides ssh? |
| 02:00.09 | bef0rd | bomerman |
| 02:00.14 | bef0rd | bomberman* |
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| 02:00.47 | bef0rd | did you install nc? |
| 02:01.45 | [yzf600] | nc isn't available for os2006 I think |
| 02:02.54 | [yzf600] | ehhh - I have to go to bed |
| 02:03.07 | [yzf600] | perhaps the solution will come to me in my sleep :) |
| 02:03.19 | bef0rd | ok |
| 02:03.26 | bef0rd | did you check gronmayer repos list? |
| 02:03.34 | [yzf600] | thanks bef0rd |
| 02:03.44 | [yzf600] | I'll check those tomorrow |
| 02:04.14 | bef0rd | ok |
| 02:04.17 | bef0rd | night |
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| 02:12.10 | GAN800 | Awesome . . . Barrage nuked my Application menu. |
| 02:14.51 | mikkov_ | what happened? |
| 02:16.16 | GAN800 | Didn't install cleanly and now the application menu is blank. |
| 02:17.11 | bef0rd | it worked for me |
| 02:17.13 | mikkov_ | did you have some error message? (i packaged barrage) |
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| 02:17.41 | GAN800 | Didn't bother to check the logs, just 'Install failed'. |
| 02:19.45 | mikkov_ | try update-desktop-database, though i'm not sure if that is even related |
| 02:20.55 | mikkov_ | /usr/share/applications/hildon has .desktop files there? |
| 02:22.55 | GAN800 | 'No directories in update-desktop-database search path could be processed and updated.' |
| 02:22.58 | GAN800 | Yes |
| 02:23.17 | GAN800 | Wonder if I've got fs corruption. |
| 02:23.49 | mikkov_ | that update thing shouldn't return anything |
| 02:24.13 | GAN800 | apt-getting it for a real log. |
| 02:26.24 | GAN800 | PATH is messed up. . . . |
| 02:26.50 | GAN800 | Hrm, maybe that shit gphoto2 package that stuck all of its stuff in /usr/local/ |
| 02:27.08 | GAN800 | Apologies, mikkov_, for the misfired accusation. |
| 02:27.26 | mikkov_ | that's ok |
| 02:28.55 | mikkov_ | so gphoto2 did something nasty? |
| 02:29.15 | GAN800 | Likely, don't feel like poking at the package on the tablet. |
| 02:29.43 | GAN800 | Check it out and maybe send a nasty letter to the packager if its screwy |
| 02:30.01 | GAN800 | Once I get back to a real machine. |
| 02:30.25 | GAN800 | Either way, packages putting stuff in /usr/local/ is BAD BAD BAD. |
| 02:31.03 | GAN800 | Somebody want to pastebin their /etc/profile for me? |
| 02:32.52 | mikkov_ | http://pastebin.com/m44700e30 |
| 02:33.35 | mikkov_ | lines are a little bit screwed |
| 02:34.52 | GAN800 | Hrm, same thing here |
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| 03:00.13 | timeless | hi gan800 |
| 03:00.18 | timeless | check out mxr.maemo.org :) |
| 03:02.49 | GAN800 | Hey, timeless |
| 03:02.57 | GAN800 | Back from the States? |
| 03:02.59 | timeless | no |
| 03:03.05 | timeless | well, is YVR back from the states? |
| 03:03.08 | timeless | i suppose maybev? :) |
| 03:03.26 | GAN800 | lol |
| 03:03.35 | GAN800 | really doesn't love the new logo. |
| 03:04.24 | timeless | not my fault |
| 03:04.28 | timeless | is it applied right? |
| 03:04.37 | timeless | YVR's server bans mxr.maemo.org |
| 03:04.40 | GAN800 | Yeah, looks fine. |
| 03:04.46 | timeless | i can hit timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test and mxr.mozilla.org |
| 03:04.49 | timeless | very very strange |
| 03:04.51 | timeless | cool |
| 03:04.59 | timeless | i'll be back to reality in 48 hrs or so |
| 03:05.24 | GAN800 | is on vacation. |
| 03:05.33 | timeless | enjoy |
| 03:05.48 | GAN800 | Hehe, spotty internet out here. |
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| 03:12.11 | timeless | yvr offers free wifi, until it failed to allow mxr.maemo.org, i thought it was perfect |
| 03:12.55 | bmidgley | RST38h, johnx: fwiw, the current a2dp does have a little arm asm in the inner loop |
| 03:12.56 | GAN800 | TPA has awesome free wifi |
| 03:14.10 | bmidgley | it copies stuff around too much but the computation is fairly tight now afaict |
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| 04:28.12 | Macer | anybody here get kopete working with ssl support? |
| 04:28.18 | Macer | i'd sure love to know how you did it |
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| 04:31.11 | makos | how often do you guys have to reboot you n810? |
| 04:33.57 | RST38h | X-Fade: Here? |
| 04:42.52 | makos | does maemo freeze much on you guys' |
| 04:42.54 | makos | ? |
| 04:45.52 | RST38h | no. |
| 04:46.08 | makos | ok...been freexing on me alot lately |
| 04:46.18 | makos | maybe i should reflash |
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| 04:52.48 | eton_ | hi |
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| 05:05.49 | RST38h | GA: Have you heard of any problems committing stuff to extras lately? |
| 05:05.59 | RST38h | Garage refuses scp |
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| 05:13.01 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I don't have Extras access. |
| 05:13.15 | GeneralAntilles | and haven't been here for a few days. |
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| 05:13.23 | GeneralAntilles | is on vacation. |
| 05:13.31 | GeneralAntilles | Alright, somebody k-line his ass already. . . . |
| 05:13.53 | GeneralAntilles | So, uh, no, I haven't heard anything. |
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| 05:15.33 | RST38h | understood. |
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| 05:18.46 | Raytray | Hmm.. |
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| 05:19.21 | GeneralAntilles | Stupid JIRC client. |
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| 05:21.02 | *** mode/#maemo [-b jones-!siovene@cs181102007.pp.htv.fi] by GeneralAntilles |
| 05:21.44 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody remove that in a few hours. :P |
| 05:21.50 | *** mode/#maemo [-o GeneralAntilles] by GeneralAntilles |
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| 05:29.57 | RST38h | GA: If you ban people, at least do it right |
| 05:30.14 | RST38h | *siovene@*.pp.htv.fi |
| 05:30.50 | RST38h | Otherwise he will come back =) |
| 05:30.57 | GeneralAntilles | I don't want him gone |
| 05:31.00 | GeneralAntilles | Permanently |
| 05:31.05 | GeneralAntilles | Just for the duration of his retardation. |
| 05:31.29 | Raytray | What could you be possibly doing to have that happen a million times? |
| 05:31.38 | GeneralAntilles | and not get k-lined? |
| 05:31.39 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno |
| 05:31.52 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe trying to paste the same 20 lines into #ubuntu over and over and over? |
| 05:32.20 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, hopefully by the time he gets around to evading the ban he'll has stopped flooding. ;) |
| 05:32.26 | GeneralAntilles | s/has/have/ |
| 05:33.47 | RST38h | GA: Depends on whether he was doing it on purpose *or* was a vicitm of someone else |
| 05:33.56 | GeneralAntilles | shuoldn't try to do useful things on itT. |
| 05:34.39 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, well, he hasn't come back so far. :P |
| 05:34.41 | RST38h | Make a list of posts answering 99% common questions, keep it in some file and Copy&Paste =) |
| 05:35.01 | GeneralAntilles | I should put together a bot. |
| 05:35.36 | RST38h | GA: Either couldn't figure out "this irc thing" or was called off by his mother for dinner/bath/sleep =) |
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| 05:35.48 | GeneralAntilles | Hi, qwerty12. |
| 05:36.02 | qwerty12 | Hello,GeneralAntilles. |
| 05:36.05 | RST38h | qwerty |
| 05:36.14 | qwerty12 | Hi RST38h |
| 05:36.34 | qwerty12 | The alarm actually got me up at 6:30. Imagine that... |
| 05:37.05 | GeneralAntilles | Man, California is way in the past. |
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| 05:39.41 | RST38h | your 6:30 is our 9:30 |
| 05:39.56 | RST38h | And Chinese have been up for at least 5 hours by now =) |
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| 05:40.22 | Raytray | Your 9:30 is my 1:40:17 |
| 05:41.19 | RST38h | Raytray: Then what are you doing here? =)~ |
| 05:41.54 | RST38h | Anyways, work. |
| 05:41.58 | Raytray | I had a nice conversation with a friend and now I'm a bit alert to go to sleep yet. That and I'm kind of homing they might call back. :P |
| 05:43.01 | Raytray | s/homing/hoping/ |
| 05:46.00 | RST38h | THEY will definitely call you back, Raytray |
| 05:46.47 | RST38h | hehe |
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| 05:47.47 | Raytray | Just trying to get me to stay up allnight? :P |
| 05:48.34 | qwerty12 | If you can't trust a man who is in the future, who can you trust? :P |
| 05:48.53 | GeneralAntilles | Definitely not qwerty12. |
| 05:49.00 | qwerty12 | Muahahahahaha |
| 05:49.10 | qwerty12 | And that is evil FAIL in the morning. |
| 05:49.16 | qwerty12 | To me that is. |
| 05:49.24 | GeneralAntilles | wishes he could figure out this stupid PATH issue. |
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| 05:50.01 | Luria | anyone used the iptables in the repositories? |
| 05:50.37 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody needs to murder the guy who put together that gphoto2 package. |
| 05:50.53 | qwerty12 | Ouch, I'm just reading your problem :( |
| 05:51.30 | GeneralAntilles | root seems to be OK, but user and apt-get aren't happy. |
| 05:51.50 | GeneralAntilles | wishes he had a real computer to test with. |
| 05:51.59 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:52.05 | GeneralAntilles | Where else could the problem be? |
| 05:52.25 | qwerty12 | Which gphoto package were you using? |
| 05:53.15 | GeneralAntilles | http://darethehair.googlepages.com/software.html |
| 05:53.25 | GeneralAntilles | Would check the package, but not on an XP laptop. :P |
| 05:54.32 | qwerty12 | Hehe, hmm, not sure how that package was done but it doesn't look like it was done with standard debian tools. dh_make would have wanted it to go in /usr by default |
| 05:54.47 | qwerty12 | I think jott has a [proper] package of gphoto2 |
| 05:54.52 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:55.43 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I pulled this one off an EDGE connection in about a 20 minute window of connectivity in Yosemite two days ago after the camera filled up too quickly. ;) |
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| 05:57.05 | qwerty12 | I'll see if I can reboot into linux and mount up the diablo image. I'd offer files off my tablet but due to lack of charger, it is dead for timebeing. |
| 05:57.27 | GeneralAntilles | Meh, don't worry yourself. |
| 05:57.48 | GeneralAntilles | I have other people I can coerce into giving me things. |
| 05:58.00 | qwerty12 | Hehe |
| 05:58.07 | GeneralAntilles | Wont have much time to troubleshoot for the next couple days, anyway. |
| 06:01.11 | GeneralAntilles | Out for a day or two. |
| 06:01.16 | GeneralAntilles | May pop in tomorrow evening. |
| 06:01.17 | GeneralAntilles | 'night |
| 06:01.23 | qwerty12 | 'night |
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| 06:13.33 | qwerty12 | ffs, I install a "kernel service" and this wireless adapter disconnects my connection to the 'net |
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| 06:18.05 | bef0rd | kernel service? |
| 06:18.34 | qwerty12 | Windows, no idea what that means but libusb-win32 says it was installing one of them... |
| 06:19.29 | bef0rd | oh heh, windows >_> |
| 06:19.49 | qwerty12 | Usually, I'm a linux user but this morning I needed the rapidshare downloaders... |
| 06:24.19 | bef0rd | I've had to use it too :X I used to dual boot, bud I decided to remove it completly like 6 months ago |
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| 06:31.13 | qwerty12 | Hmm, anyone want to make initfs logos under windows? Only bit of 0xFFFF I can get to compile... |
| 06:31.23 | qwerty12 | (the logotool that is) |
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| 06:31.50 | Italodance | qwerty12 |
| 06:31.55 | Italodance | i can race for u? |
| 06:32.15 | qwerty12 | race? |
| 06:33.00 | Italodance | y scene |
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| 06:34.18 | bef0rd | oh internet slang :| |
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| 06:37.12 | Luria | btw, bef0rd thanks for the heads up re: defcon |
| 06:38.39 | bef0rd | Luria, no problem |
| 06:38.49 | Luria | i exchanged emails with avs, we'll probably meet up at some point |
| 06:39.50 | Luria | he suggested using iptables, which i now see is in some repo on my it... anyone tried it? does stock diablo have kernel support for it? |
| 06:39.50 | avs | I hope so |
| 06:39.56 | Luria | oh hey |
| 06:40.02 | Luria | didnt see ya there |
| 06:41.16 | Luria | was distracted, sending a fb message explaining the old login timing attack (to build user lists) to a nascent (or willing to learn) hacker, of sorts. |
| 06:41.34 | qwerty12 | iptables binary already comes with diablo |
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| 06:42.17 | Luria | didnt seem to be there |
| 06:42.24 | qwerty12 | Are you root? |
| 06:42.29 | Luria | of course |
| 06:42.41 | qwerty12 | Hmm, I know it's there on my device... |
| 06:42.44 | Luria | is there a locate type command in diablo |
| 06:43.16 | Luria | or whereis or something |
| 06:43.20 | XTLi | Not really |
| 06:43.21 | qwerty12 | You can get slocate from free's debfarm repo. I use it on my device, works nicely |
| 06:43.28 | Luria | k thanks |
| 06:43.31 | bef0rd | mine has iptables too |
| 06:43.36 | Luria | huh. |
| 06:43.36 | qwerty12 | but for now, you'll have to stick with find if you don't want to install anything |
| 06:43.51 | XTLi | ~# which iptables |
| 06:43.53 | XTLi | /sbin/iptables |
| 06:43.59 | qwerty12 | Yep, it *is* installed by default on a diablo device |
| 06:44.01 | Luria | lemme look again |
| 06:44.16 | qwerty12 | the http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com update repo has it listed too |
| 06:44.29 | Luria | i saw it in apt-cache |
| 06:44.36 | qwerty12 | it should be on the device |
| 06:44.59 | Luria | but i dont think the binary was there. im sure im wrong, tho, as all of you have it |
| 06:45.13 | Luria | holy crap is the email client buggy |
| 06:45.28 | Luria | it crashed 2sec into a fresh boot |
| 06:45.57 | XTLi | apt-cache policy iptables |
| 06:46.11 | XTLi | See if it's installed |
| 06:46.26 | XTLi | Dpkg -L it to see where |
| 06:46.42 | Luria | looking |
| 06:47.28 | Luria | XTLi, are you on a n8x0? |
| 06:48.34 | XTLi | N810, yes. But haven't kept too close track on sw |
| 06:49.07 | Luria | no, was wondering about the odd capitalization. :-) |
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| 06:49.51 | XTLi | Right :) |
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| 06:53.11 | Luria | btw, whats the best bash? i see three versions in the repos |
| 06:54.06 | Luria | ok, seems to be working now. weird. |
| 06:54.48 | Luria | thanks for the help |
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| 06:57.38 | Luria | damn, i wish i could obfuscate ip packet source and destination |
| 06:59.50 | bef0rd | it would be easier to shutdown the wireless connection on the n810 at defcon :P |
| 07:01.03 | Luria | true, but what fun would that be |
| 07:01.47 | Luria | i bought a 500mw 802.11g usb thing today |
| 07:02.05 | Luria | a little big to call it a dongle, i guess |
| 07:02.28 | Luria | i doubt/wonder if it will show in time |
| 07:02.52 | bef0rd | defcon is next week? |
| 07:03.06 | Luria | this friday |
| 07:03.11 | Luria | blackhat is now |
| 07:03.20 | Luria | but out of my budget :-) |
| 07:04.12 | Luria | im getting in thurs, hopefully i can preregister on thurs |
| 07:05.00 | Luria | i wish they took preorders |
| 07:05.47 | Luria | afk, beer+cig = :) |
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| 07:11.48 | liri | lol bef0rd |
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| 07:15.48 | bef0rd | heh, i'd like to go to defcon |
| 07:16.02 | bef0rd | actually to any decent security conference / meeting |
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| 07:24.39 | liri | bef0rd: I know what you mean |
| 07:25.00 | liri | bef0rd: I'm totally in another place in the world, can't imagine how I could get there anyhow |
| 07:25.28 | liri | bef0rd: actually the OSiM conference sounds interesting too and it's even in Europe, would be nice to attend it |
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| 07:26.43 | bef0rd | yea, I have no money though :( I went to a 'security' conference here, a guy was showing some shell code on the screen and everybody was like 'omg hack :O' |
| 07:28.02 | liri | hehe |
| 07:28.10 | liri | I guess people are amazed easily |
| 07:28.15 | aquatix | :) |
| 07:28.15 | liri | at least those with not much of a clue |
| 07:28.32 | liri | It's hard to amaze us oldschool guys |
| 07:28.40 | aquatix | saw a presentation of a hypervisor hack, now that was cool |
| 07:29.08 | aquatix | somehow turn the current OS into a VM using hardware virtualisation without skipping a beat and the OS noticing |
| 07:29.22 | liri | still has backup CDs of his Remote Access BBS directory back from 96' or so when he was running a 36k modem |
| 07:29.38 | RST38h | put it only and make it telnettable =) |
| 07:29.44 | RST38h | s/only/online/ |
| 07:29.51 | liri | hehe |
| 07:29.56 | liri | nah |
| 07:29.57 | aquatix | try to re-write those, as cd-r's tend to get unreadable after a while |
| 07:30.05 | aquatix | would be a shame |
| 07:30.22 | liri | actually when the Internet cought up with everyone, the guys who were running BBSs like me moved to a telnet version of it, though I figured the time for BBSs kinda died so I just quit |
| 07:30.33 | liri | but I was running it straight for about 4-5 years I think |
| 07:31.18 | liri | here's a quick wiz - I called it THC BBS, anyone know what THC stands for? |
| 07:31.30 | aspect | the hackers choice! |
| 07:31.34 | liri | lol yeah |
| 07:31.41 | aspect | those were the days :) |
| 07:31.43 | liri | I was inspired with the group at the time |
| 07:31.51 | liri | even had a few email changed with van hauser |
| 07:31.53 | liri | he's a nice guy |
| 07:31.57 | aspect | they had a good name too ;-) |
| 07:32.02 | liri | lol definitely |
| 07:32.22 | liri | I'm gonna get you a screenshot of the BBS directories I found just for the laugh of it :) |
| 07:32.32 | aspect | sounds great |
| 07:32.40 | liri | I found that backup CD by accident when I was re-arranging my collection a couple of weeks ago |
| 07:32.48 | liri | I was totally shocked that I actually had that copy |
| 07:33.01 | bef0rd | well, I'm not *that* old school hehe |
| 07:33.05 | liri | I installed DOSbox on one of my windows machines to try and access it heh, was fun |
| 07:33.07 | aspect | somewhere I've got backups of the stuff I was trading around BBSes back in the day ... should be some great stuff in there |
| 07:33.21 | liri | aspect: definitely worth the look for it :) |
| 07:34.08 | aspect | writing intros and diskmags in turbo pascal to try and get cred with the warez/hacker crowd :) |
| 07:34.19 | RST38h | Could somebody check if MG shows up ion Diablo Extras? |
| 07:34.59 | bef0rd | checks |
| 07:35.21 | hrw | morning |
| 07:35.34 | bef0rd | sega 8bit console emulator |
| 07:35.39 | bef0rd | 2.6.0-1 |
| 07:36.03 | liri | aspect: you know what I misss |
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| 07:36.10 | liri | aspect: the "paging to sysop" |
| 07:36.22 | liri | aspect: now that's a sound I'm gonna miss |
| 07:37.49 | aspect | haha |
| 07:38.58 | aspect | ymodem-g was the best advance ever |
| 07:39.06 | aspect | chat with sysop while transferring files |
| 07:39.43 | XTLi | Heh |
| 07:40.12 | aspect | even uploading the zip files which extracted files into ..\..\users.dat ;-) |
| 07:40.36 | Luria | btw, hopetracker.donthax.me |
| 07:41.02 | Luria | liri, thats for you |
| 07:41.36 | RST38h | bedf0rd: Is vgb there as well? |
| 07:41.42 | Luria | ah. the days of pascal and pcboard... |
| 07:42.20 | Luria | anyone remeber rip bbses? |
| 07:42.22 | bef0rd | RST38h, yea, I installed it this morning |
| 07:42.47 | RST38h | Now, just need to find X-Fade and figure out ssh access problem... |
| 07:43.02 | macoute | Luria: i used to run my own back in the days |
| 07:43.17 | Luria | rip or pcboard? |
| 07:44.28 | Luria | aquatix, btw, that tracker has a vm and security lecture, tho i havent watched it, nor did i attend when i was at hope |
| 07:44.34 | macoute | Luria: pcboard |
| 07:46.33 | Luria | ha. i set up a fake bbs with my school's permission, using their pcboard 14.5 license to get the hayes sysop discount on the new 28.8 vfc modem and (awesome) serial board. |
| 07:46.37 | aquatix | Luria: hm? |
| 07:47.22 | Luria | used a spare line at home and "made" a temporary bbs with the help of some schoolmates help of |
| 07:47.35 | Luria | err, typo :-) |
| 07:47.39 | liri | Luria: nice thanks |
| 07:47.42 | liri | Luria: I was afk :p |
| 07:47.45 | Luria | np |
| 07:47.53 | Luria | adam savagre was awesome |
| 07:47.57 | Luria | savage |
| 07:48.15 | Luria | damn, my eeepc needs a backlit kybd |
| 07:48.35 | aquatix | yeah, those should be default on laptops |
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| 07:48.50 | aquatix | same with a light sensor |
| 07:49.21 | Luria | cold boot was awesome and hardcore, as was port knocking |
| 07:49.49 | Luria | how do i pwn was funny and somewhat insightful |
| 07:50.24 | Luria | hardware obfuscation was also good |
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| 07:51.41 | Luria | unfortunately, there are still ~70 talks that are missing |
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| 07:54.05 | Luria | actually, macoute, i remember coming home from high school and seeing a call in from hayes to validate the "existence" of the bbs |
| 07:55.53 | Luria | ah yes, thank you google for supplimenting memories of '94 |
| 07:55.59 | Luria | the hayes esp serial board |
| 07:56.55 | Luria | a 16550af on steroids |
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| 07:59.30 | Italodance | . |
| 07:59.50 | aquatix | ! |
| 07:59.59 | Luria | ? |
| 08:00.10 | liri | heh |
| 08:00.20 | aquatix | Luria: i knew that one was coming :) |
| 08:00.28 | Luria | :) |
| 08:00.32 | Italodance | hoh |
| 08:00.48 | Luria | bef0rd, which "security conference" was that? |
| 08:01.01 | Italodance | well i am sad :( |
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| 08:01.05 | Luria | is catching up with the scroll back buffer |
| 08:02.06 | Italodance | Luria where r u from? |
| 08:02.12 | Luria | nyc |
| 08:02.15 | bef0rd | http://blog.beford.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/hacking.jpg |
| 08:03.11 | aquatix | white hats++ |
| 08:03.15 | Luria | was it the presenters or the audience (or both) that sucked? |
| 08:03.43 | bef0rd | most of the presenters heh, 2 of them were good though |
| 08:04.07 | Luria | after hope and defcon, im thinking about berlin in the winter |
| 08:04.15 | Italodance | my problem isn't solved yet http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22313 |
| 08:04.19 | Luria | i guess im getting back into this |
| 08:04.38 | bef0rd | It was here in Colombia, I supposed it was not going to be very good, but I had to go anyway |
| 08:05.22 | Luria | i understand |
| 08:05.33 | Luria | sorry to hear that though |
| 08:05.56 | Luria | ive been thinking about the offensive security certs |
| 08:06.13 | Luria | anyone have any experience or opinions? |
| 08:07.01 | Luria | Italodance, why not clear out your repositories, add the active ones from gronmeyer and update your package list? |
| 08:07.09 | liri | well I'm quite offensive but I'm not certified |
| 08:07.17 | liri | I kid people, curse, alot of these stuff... |
| 08:07.19 | bef0rd | lol |
| 08:07.20 | Luria | heh |
| 08:07.20 | liri | :-) |
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| 08:07.29 | avs | "offensive" certs? |
| 08:07.39 | Luria | avs, the bt3 people |
| 08:07.40 | liri | avs: he means black hat kinda stuff |
| 08:07.44 | avs | aa |
| 08:07.53 | Luria | theyll be at defcon |
| 08:08.10 | liri | talking about bt... bt is now composed of 2 teams, one of which is Israeli :-) |
| 08:08.24 | Luria | liri, you israeli? |
| 08:08.29 | liri | Luria: yep |
| 08:08.40 | Luria | where from? |
| 08:08.58 | liri | Luria: you weren't here when I was made fun of when asking about GPS functionality in N810 and I was asked if I was going to put it in a Tank? lol |
| 08:09.17 | Luria | heh. guess not. |
| 08:09.18 | liri | Luria: Ramat Gan, it's like 2 minutes from Tel Aviv |
| 08:09.39 | Luria | ani makir gush dan, achi |
| 08:10.26 | Luria | ah, bezeq. memories... |
| 08:10.27 | liri | Luria: heh, hazak |
| 08:10.34 | liri | Luria: you israeli? |
| 08:10.43 | Luria | na'im me'od |
| 08:10.48 | Luria | no, new yorker |
| 08:10.58 | liri | Luria: ahh, jewish or what? |
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| 08:11.27 | Luria | yeah, also a stint at heb u (har ha-tzofim) |
| 08:12.03 | liri | nice |
| 08:12.04 | Luria | but i brought my hebrew along with me ;-) |
| 08:12.31 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:13.08 | Luria | so, israelis on the bt crew? |
| 08:13.30 | Luria | you know them? |
| 08:14.22 | liri | Luria: well before it was BT it was called whoopix and the team behind it are Israeli, yes |
| 08:14.36 | liri | Luria: we're talking about the same thing here right? BT being BackTack |
| 08:14.42 | Luria | yeah |
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| 08:14.54 | liri | so yes |
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| 08:15.05 | liri | I don't know them personally though I heard that Mati is good |
| 08:15.12 | liri | but again, can't really comment on it |
| 08:15.17 | bef0rd | i thought you were talking about bluetooth heh |
| 08:15.23 | liri | lol bef0rd |
| 08:15.40 | Luria | u'lai yesh hanacha "mishpachtit" lol |
| 08:15.46 | MaceN800 | hi |
| 08:15.54 | liri | Luria: I mean, anyone can piece together a distribution full of tools. the question is if these guys truly are skilled... that's another story and I don't really know |
| 08:16.02 | liri | Luria: lol |
| 08:16.04 | Luria | fair enough |
| 08:16.06 | liri | Luria: lo nir'e li |
| 08:16.44 | Luria | gam li. k'mo ha dag nachash, ein frayerim :-) |
| 08:17.07 | MaceN800 | is there some sort of distro for n800? |
| 08:17.20 | bef0rd | diablo |
| 08:17.21 | qwerty12 | debian |
| 08:17.22 | bef0rd | mamona |
| 08:17.32 | bef0rd | poky? |
| 08:17.39 | MaceN800 | heh |
| 08:17.40 | Luria | it seems there is some cissp credit given for the courses, so they cant be too bad |
| 08:17.50 | qwerty12 | I think there is angstrom too |
| 08:18.05 | Luria | debian, maemo, android sorta... go to itt |
| 08:18.06 | MaceN800 | debian? like an actual debian distro for n800?? |
| 08:18.15 | Luria | there is a forum section |
| 08:18.19 | avs | luria, cissp cpes aren't really a very strong proof of quality |
| 08:18.20 | bef0rd | Poky Linux I mean http://www.pokylinux.org/ |
| 08:18.23 | Luria | for alternative distros |
| 08:18.29 | qwerty12 | http://trac.tspre.org/projects/nit-debian |
| 08:18.57 | Luria | true, but if they do a decent job of covering the supposed course material, it could be interesting |
| 08:19.11 | bef0rd | does nit-debian use maemo kernel wireless module? |
| 08:19.51 | Luria | plus i heard a rumor that some of the 1st level materials are on some torrent site... something about a bay or something |
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| 08:20.33 | qwerty12 | Luria, the bay near Sverige? |
| 08:20.51 | MaceN800 | wow |
| 08:20.59 | Luria | do they have pirates or ninjas? |
| 08:21.16 | MaceN800 | the debian install looks very interesting |
| 08:21.22 | qwerty12 | They have a pirate party :/ |
| 08:21.32 | Luria | oh, then probably, yeah |
| 08:21.43 | doc|home | Luria: better than that, pirate boats carrying ninjas. Ninjas for land actions. Pirates for sea actions. Unstoppable |
| 08:21.46 | qwerty12 | heh |
| 08:21.50 | MaceN800 | does it come with dev tools to build from source for armel? |
| 08:21.55 | Luria | pirates wear black hats, ninjas, hoods |
| 08:22.06 | qwerty12 | MaceN800, It does the debootstrap on the tablet |
| 08:22.25 | MaceN800 | wow |
| 08:22.32 | Luria | so, pirates in the bay |
| 08:22.38 | Khertan | Ho ! |
| 08:22.47 | Luria | with the black hat booty |
| 08:22.50 | MaceN800 | looks like i have something to do tomorrow then ;) |
| 08:22.52 | qwerty12 | Ho? |
| 08:22.57 | qwerty12 | :P |
| 08:23.12 | Khertan | Hi ! (pirate version ) |
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| 08:23.15 | MaceN800 | i want to install this deb distro |
| 08:23.25 | MaceN800 | what wm does it use? |
| 08:23.38 | qwerty12 | Khertan, Oh! I was thinking of something else, ignore me. lack of sleep... |
| 08:23.41 | MaceN800 | or do you use whatever? |
| 08:23.42 | Khertan | (ho == hi.pirate_version()) |
| 08:23.57 | Khertan | qwerty12 > and what do u think ? |
| 08:24.17 | Luria | ice or kde, iirc |
| 08:24.19 | qwerty12 | MaceN800, Matchbox with xfce panel. it used to use full xfce but matchbox is better suited to tablets |
| 08:24.29 | qwerty12 | Khertan, nothing... |
| 08:24.54 | Khertan | ... |
| 08:24.54 | Luria | whoops, really? did i misread the debian thread? |
| 08:25.08 | MaceN800 | good interface? |
| 08:25.13 | X-Fade | RST38h: Ssh problem? Tell me? ;) |
| 08:25.16 | oilinki | what is browserd and why it eats 50% of the memory? |
| 08:25.35 | RST38h | oilinki: resident part of the microb |
| 08:25.44 | MaceN800 | do all the features work that you would find in maemo/hildon? |
| 08:25.46 | RST38h | X-Fade: Refuses scp login, tells the key is wrong |
| 08:25.48 | qwerty12 | browserd = The shit part of microb for diablo |
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| 08:26.09 | RST38h | yep, somebody should tell nokia guys responsible for it to kework it |
| 08:26.13 | Khertan | oilinki > a stupid idea, that preload some part of microb |
| 08:26.23 | oilinki | my browser is not even started yet. |
| 08:26.27 | X-Fade | RST38h: I'll check what the error is. |
| 08:26.33 | RST38h | takes memory, sometimes eats cpu cycles, does not do anything visibly good |
| 08:26.38 | oilinki | ah. preload with huge demand of memory. |
| 08:26.45 | Khertan | oilinki > yes ... a stupid idea ... |
| 08:26.45 | Luria | i was wondering why performance seems to have crapped out since chinook |
| 08:27.08 | qwerty12 | Someone should dpkg-repack the chinook version of microb and icd... |
| 08:27.10 | Luria | i used to be able to do 6+ windows, now i get lockups on three |
| 08:27.48 | MaceN800 | i really want to install this debian distro now |
| 08:27.51 | X-Fade | RST38h: Remind me your username again :) |
| 08:27.58 | RST38h | finds tendency to keep huge parts of maemo apps resident disturbing |
| 08:27.59 | MaceN800 | hope it doesnt suck |
| 08:28.00 | RST38h | X-Fade: fms |
| 08:28.16 | oilinki | then how about the maemo-launcher processes? seems to eat a lot of memory as well. can be killed? |
| 08:28.21 | Luria | i take it microb will crap out if browserd goes away? |
| 08:28.27 | qwerty12 | oilinki, no, don't kill it |
| 08:28.31 | qwerty12 | Luria, yep |
| 08:28.33 | Khertan | hope he can say what he think about this resident thing to maemo dev at summit |
| 08:28.40 | RST38h | We have now got 12MB of Modest in memory, 11-17MB of browserd, and I am pretty sure somebody will make Python resident shortly |
| 08:28.58 | qwerty12 | RST38h, python-launcher-daemon comes to mind but that one helps :) |
| 08:28.59 | Khertan | RST38h > already done |
| 08:29.02 | Luria | btw, wtf is up with modest? |
| 08:29.07 | RST38h | Khertan: Python is optional for now |
| 08:29.09 | Khertan | RST38h > python-launcher |
| 08:29.13 | RST38h | Luria: Nothing |
| 08:29.20 | RST38h | Luria: Just disable it |
| 08:29.35 | Luria | i boot my n810 and 2 seconds later, internal email crash |
| 08:29.49 | RST38h | Luria: Modest does not work properly. |
| 08:29.52 | Luria | i need gpg anyway |
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| 08:30.04 | X-Fade | RST38h: What is your ip? |
| 08:30.11 | Luria | will things go wrong if it is uninstalled? |
| 08:30.19 | RST38h | X-Fade: Good question but I am sure it ends with ultranet.ru |
| 08:30.22 | qwerty12 | Luria, yes. osso-software-version depends on it |
| 08:30.29 | Luria | i thought so |
| 08:30.42 | RST38h | Luria: Don't need to uninstall it, just disable the sucker |
| 08:30.42 | MaceN800 | hm |
| 08:30.51 | Luria | so to disable it, i need to edit some init somewhere? |
| 08:31.00 | RST38h | Luria: Remove all your email accounts form it |
| 08:31.03 | X-Fade | RST38h: Or can you try it now, so I can monitor :) |
| 08:31.12 | qwerty12 | And disable the automatic update in settings |
| 08:31.15 | RST38h | Luria: This will leave it in memory (unfortunately) but will prevent it from doing harm |
| 08:31.22 | RST38h | X-Fade: Can't - I am at work |
| 08:31.28 | Luria | are you kidding |
| 08:31.35 | RST38h | Luria: no :( |
| 08:31.39 | X-Fade | RST38h: Ok, what time did you try it last? |
| 08:31.55 | Luria | its like 1 step forward, two back |
| 08:32.03 | RST38h | X-Fade: 9:00-9:40 EU time |
| 08:32.20 | RST38h | Wait, no... 9:00-9:40 MSK makes it 8:00-8:40 EU time |
| 08:32.56 | Luria | i love how stable rtcomm is, which isnt "released," but email doesnt work, doesnt support encryption, but takes up memory |
| 08:32.59 | X-Fade | RST38h: Well, server is in finland time ;) |
| 08:33.06 | RST38h | Luria: The real problem was that the author did not concern himself with anything but very intricate IMAP protocol implementation |
| 08:33.10 | Luria | is the IE team working at nokia? |
| 08:33.19 | RST38h | X-Fade: Is .FI GMT+2? |
| 08:33.27 | X-Fade | +3 |
| 08:33.37 | RST38h | Luria: So the rest of the stuff got untested / unfixed |
| 08:33.47 | Luria | sigh |
| 08:33.53 | RST38h | X-Fade: you are on Moscow time then, 9:00-9:40 |
| 08:34.17 | RST38h | Oh, shit, no daylight savings... :) |
| 08:34.34 | Luria | is there any way to minimize the memory footprint? |
| 08:34.50 | RST38h | X-Fade: Sorry for the mess. Google says that you are an hour behind so login attempt must have happened in 8:00-8:40 EEST |
| 08:34.54 | qwerty12 | If there was, we'd all be doing it :) |
| 08:35.14 | RST38h | Luria: there is |
| 08:35.14 | qwerty12 | Don't use it? |
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| 08:35.27 | RST38h | Luria: 1. Find whatever config runs modest and disable it there |
| 08:35.44 | RST38h | Luria: 2. Find where media crawler starts and disable it |
| 08:35.50 | liri | is searching dealextreme for a micro to mini sd adapter for the N810... |
| 08:35.52 | X-Fade | RST38h: Ok, I think I found your ip. |
| 08:36.00 | RST38h | AFAIK, there is no way to disable browserd |
| 08:36.04 | liri | I found http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.7184 and http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.5341 |
| 08:36.09 | liri | any ideas if these are good? |
| 08:36.21 | bef0rd | rtcomm is pretty good indeed |
| 08:36.38 | liri | bef0rd: whats rtcomm advantage over pidgin? |
| 08:36.51 | X-Fade | RST38h: The only thing I see is an incoming connection. Nothing more. |
| 08:37.03 | bef0rd | liri, rtcomm supports voip |
| 08:37.04 | Luria | voice and integration |
| 08:37.33 | bef0rd | with Google Talk, gizmo, SIP |
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| 08:37.35 | Luria | one less thing to run, to take up screen real estate |
| 08:37.36 | MaceN800 | this deb distro looks awesome |
| 08:37.40 | liri | ahh |
| 08:37.50 | doc|home | deb distro? |
| 08:37.53 | liri | nice |
| 08:37.58 | qwerty12 | doc|home, debian-nit |
| 08:38.05 | liri | I'm used for pidgin already |
| 08:38.11 | RST38h | X-Fade: Right - it refused login |
| 08:38.18 | doc|home | qwerty12: got a link? |
| 08:38.21 | liri | once I reflash the device and hack it I might also check rtcomm |
| 08:38.26 | qwerty12 | doc|home, http://trac.tspre.org/projects/nit-debian |
| 08:38.30 | bef0rd | rtcomm is preinstalled |
| 08:38.31 | bef0rd | :) |
| 08:38.31 | doc|home | maemo mostly works, i'm hesitant to go fucking with shit |
| 08:38.40 | MaceN800 | xfce looks like gnome |
| 08:38.42 | liri | could someone check one of those links above for the microsd adapter and tell me if this is the right one to get for the N810 |
| 08:38.42 | doc|home | I have enough of that with the freerunner |
| 08:38.56 | qwerty12 | You install it on a seperate partition |
| 08:39.04 | doc|home | does look nice though |
| 08:39.11 | doc|home | long time fan of xfce |
| 08:39.16 | Luria | liri, as someone who stil uses gaim and pidgin on another machine |
| 08:39.19 | XTLi | Xfce is gnome with a bit of cde thrown in |
| 08:39.22 | MaceN800 | will nit-debian built apps support cups? |
| 08:39.25 | doc|home | does it have a webkit browser? |
| 08:39.25 | Luria | dump it, go with rtcomm |
| 08:39.27 | XTLi | Worst of both worlds |
| 08:39.35 | bef0rd | liri, yes |
| 08:39.47 | Luria | unless you need otr, which no one uses |
| 08:39.54 | bef0rd | Luria, are you using rtcomm beta? |
| 08:40.02 | MaceN800 | if it can print with cups i'm sold heh |
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| 08:40.07 | liri | bef0rd: thanks I wasn't sure if this would fit the N810 or not |
| 08:40.10 | liri | bef0rd: so I'll buy it |
| 08:40.19 | Luria | i used it on chinook, and i installed it again tonight |
| 08:40.20 | bef0rd | MaceN800, I think it does |
| 08:40.29 | Luria | i stopped using my it for a while |
| 08:40.31 | liri | Luria: otr? |
| 08:40.40 | Luria | off the record messaging |
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| 08:40.57 | MaceN800 | bef0rd what browser are they using in the screenshots? |
| 08:41.15 | bef0rd | checks |
| 08:41.26 | MaceN800 | can you build armel ffox? ;) |
| 08:41.39 | qwerty12 | Yes. If you like uber slowness. |
| 08:41.45 | bef0rd | it looks like epiphany |
| 08:41.47 | MaceN800 | haha |
| 08:42.08 | MaceN800 | i'll install it when i get home |
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| 08:42.42 | Luria | can i get safari for it? |
| 08:42.53 | MaceN800 | i need a browser that's supported by bank sites ;) |
| 08:43.03 | Luria | it would go well with my decor. |
| 08:43.12 | MaceN800 | and ajax support would be nice |
| 08:43.18 | bef0rd | yea, its epiphany but it doesn't say if its using gecko or webkit backend |
| 08:43.43 | MaceN800 | i think gecko |
| 08:43.46 | qwerty12 | I want safari on the tablet just for http://www.tuaw.com/2005/05/02/porn-mode/ |
| 08:44.55 | MaceN800 | it does support the bt modem right? |
| 08:47.37 | bef0rd | dunno |
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| 08:48.24 | bef0rd | but I'll probably install nit-debian next week end heh |
| 08:48.38 | lbt | johnx: Stskeeps: about the nit-debian wiki. It says "deb http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free non-free" change chinook to diablo - should that be diablo/tools? |
| 08:48.42 | MaceN800 | ok. i'll try it out tomorrow |
| 08:49.22 | Luria | k, 'nite |
| 08:49.28 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, it shouldn't be diablo at all. the diablo sdk repo doesn't carry a subversion |
| 08:49.51 | MaceN800 | i can always rebuild the maemo/kde install if nit sucks |
| 08:49.51 | bef0rd | g' night |
| 08:50.28 | qwerty12 | Hmm, installing gnu utils for windows = good way to break batch files :/ |
| 08:50.29 | bef0rd | if you have enough space there is information at the wiki to setup multiples boots |
| 08:50.50 | MaceN800 | i have 8G/8G |
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| 08:51.12 | MaceN800 | but i dont like using the external |
| 08:51.28 | RST38h | qwerty: and "dir" |
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| 08:51.43 | MaceN800 | maybe i'll get another 8G to swap out |
| 08:51.45 | RST38h | For some reason my "dir" command has become case-sensitive now |
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| 08:52.09 | lbt | MaceN800: I've been doing this: https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card#MultiBoot not quite there yet but feel free to comment |
| 08:52.33 | qwerty12 | RST38h, heh. It wasn't gnuutils but the perl install that I got :/ |
| 08:53.52 | MaceN800 | heh... i dont mind wiping it |
| 08:54.14 | qwerty12 | lbt, which part of the script does not work? |
| 08:54.18 | X-Fade | RST38h: I can't find why you can't connect. I'll ask Ferenc to look into it. |
| 08:54.22 | MaceN800 | n800 is just a toy right now until i find the best way to use it |
| 08:54.34 | lbt | script is fine :) It doesn't boot afterwards |
| 08:54.46 | lbt | I read on ITT that rootfs may be 'light' |
| 08:55.03 | lbt | and I haven't got a console to see why the boot fails |
| 08:55.28 | X-Fade | zap: Ping? |
| 08:56.08 | MaceN800 | ok tell you how it goes in a few hrs when i get home |
| 08:56.22 | MaceN800 | screenshots look promising |
| 08:56.29 | qwerty12 | Ah. It could be because you are using block2mtd |
| 08:56.29 | qwerty12 | . mtdram which does work (at least for initfs modding) would probably require a server with 5GB of ram to mount a rootfs (I have to use 88MB of straight ram to mount a 2.1MB image. People with 1GB of ram can't even mount it) |
| 08:56.37 | qwerty12 | ^@lbt |
| 08:56.43 | lbt | got it |
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| 08:57.10 | lbt | I do modprobe mtdblock |
| 08:57.21 | MaceN800 | qwerty |
| 08:57.43 | MaceN800 | i have an 8G server if you need a shell... fbsd tho |
| 08:58.02 | MaceN800 | if you want to mod on it |
| 08:58.02 | qwerty12 | MaceN800, Thanks but I have no need for it personally, just a comment :) |
| 08:58.11 | MaceN800 | k |
| 08:58.12 | lbt | sorry - missed your earlier comment d'oh |
| 08:58.53 | lbt | I don't think there is a problem with the script - rsync is fine etc. however... |
| 08:59.09 | RST38h | X-Fade: will experiment with it when I get home tonight |
| 08:59.14 | qwerty12 | block2mtd works when I read files off a jffs2 image but then trying to make an new image using it always fails for me |
| 08:59.29 | lbt | OK - I'm just reading ATM |
| 08:59.31 | lbt | this guy: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=209854#post209854 |
| 08:59.38 | X-Fade | RST38h: Ok. |
| 08:59.40 | MaceN800 | i need to set up apache and vhost n800.rancorous.net |
| 08:59.44 | MaceN800 | heh |
| 08:59.53 | RST38h | X-Fade: BTW, any idea if I can host Pack Rat at maemo.org? rm_you's server is having some problems |
| 09:00.08 | lbt | Re-checking the contents, I found rootfs.jffs2 lacks ... a whole bunch of nodes within /dev/ |
| 09:00.25 | RST38h | X-Fade: And also I wanted to do a few more experiments like static dependency checking across repositories |
| 09:00.29 | lbt | I only tried b4 bed last night so just something for l8r |
| 09:01.51 | lbt | and I'm happy to extract and then mkfs.jffs2 to modify |
| 09:01.53 | qwerty12 | Maybe they are generated on first boot. You could use flasher to reflash the diablo image and then reflash an image of fanoush initfs and then backup the rootfs using usb networking after it has been flashed: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18433 |
| 09:02.23 | lbt | yes - I was hoping for a fiasco extraction based scripted approach. |
| 09:02.37 | lbt | looking at itt post though... |
| 09:03.30 | qwerty12 | You may also want to look at https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/tools/trunk/rootimagescripts/ |
| 09:04.36 | lbt | ta |
| 09:06.25 | lbt | ah- 6 minutes and 4 seconds after kernel boot - that explains that then. I was looking in linuxrc etc for a bg'ed sleep/reboot... |
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| 09:08.17 | kpel | hello |
| 09:08.41 | lbt | I've also hacked linuxrc to loop around the menu to allow retries if a boot fails (rather than just dropping to flash boot). This allows incremental connections from usb-nw to tweak initfs and then retry menu entries (ie forgot to specify ext module in menu) |
| 09:08.44 | rm_you | RST38h: is it still killing it every night? |
| 09:10.04 | lbt | anyway - work now.... bbl |
| 09:10.20 | rm_you | it works when i do it manually... so it must be something with permissions |
| 09:12.54 | lbt | This "classic" quantum sex joke just in: |
| 09:12.59 | lbt | Q: Why didn't Heisenberg have a good sex life? |
| 09:13.04 | lbt | A: Because when he had the time he didn't have the energy, and when he had the energy he didn't have the time. |
| 09:13.28 | qwerty12 | Someone should have just slipped him a blue pill |
| 09:14.01 | hrw | so does someone integrated bootmenu into diablo initfs? |
| 09:14.14 | qwerty12 | hrw, fanoush has done it for a long time |
| 09:14.20 | qwerty12 | I did it before fanoush for the diablo betas :P |
| 09:14.40 | hrw | hmm.. would have to look at it then |
| 09:15.55 | qwerty12 | I've currently got my bootmenu set up so I can switch the framebuffer into automatic mode and get boot messages |
| 09:16.25 | hrw | 1gb card now cost 1.5 eur.. |
| 09:16.30 | RST38h | rm_you: yep, it's dead now |
| 09:18.47 | XTLi | 1.5? |
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| 09:19.45 | hrw | XTLi: 1.5 |
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| 09:21.20 | Italodance | . |
| 09:23.30 | hrw | did someone tested n810 with class2/4/6 cards? |
| 09:23.46 | hrw | does it have a sense to spend extra money to get class6 card? |
| 09:24.26 | rm_you | RST38h: ok, testing one more thing |
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| 09:25.47 | macoute | hrw: is there a way to get the info of the class of the card without removing the card? |
| 09:26.16 | macoute | i have my root fs on the card so i wouldnt want to remove it ;) |
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| 09:36.39 | Khertan | hrw > tested with a class 4 and class 6 on n800 ... |
| 09:36.48 | Khertan | no many differencies |
| 09:36.53 | Khertan | specially for my use :) |
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| 09:39.32 | hrw | Khertan: its 50% price difference between class4 and 6 |
| 09:39.47 | hrw | 65 pln for 8gb class4 and 97 pln for 8gb class6 |
| 09:46.42 | zap | X-Fade: yes? |
| 09:46.58 | X-Fade | zap: I found the problem with your packages. |
| 09:47.07 | zap | and whats it? |
| 09:47.19 | X-Fade | zap: It didn't like the Original-maintainer after the files section. |
| 09:47.26 | zap | uhm |
| 09:47.27 | zap | got it |
| 09:47.31 | X-Fade | zap: I have changed the script to fix that. |
| 09:47.40 | X-Fade | zap: And they are now all in extras-devel. |
| 09:47.43 | zap | which script, my control file? |
| 09:47.48 | zap | or the builder? |
| 09:47.54 | X-Fade | zap: No our queue manager. |
| 09:47.58 | zap | ah cool |
| 09:48.07 | zap | thank you very much |
| 09:48.18 | zap | I wanted to ask you long ago :) |
| 09:48.33 | zap | why DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS does not contain 'thumb' in builder? |
| 09:48.38 | zap | (and perhaps vfp?) |
| 09:49.12 | X-Fade | zap: Default scratchbox settings. If you want something else, you need to specify it yourself? |
| 09:49.37 | zap | Well maemo-policy.pdf says that my control file has to support the 'thumb' keyword |
| 09:49.48 | zap | but it's not enabled unless DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS contains "thumb" |
| 09:50.02 | zap | same about vfp |
| 09:50.17 | X-Fade | zap: Can you write a mail to -developers about that? So we can discuss the implementation there? |
| 09:50.23 | zap | okay |
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| 09:54.52 | kulve | zap: afaik, vfp isn't thumb, so you can't really mix those |
| 10:00.30 | zap | kulve: that's the problem of package maintainer to enable support for EITHER thumb OR vfp |
| 10:00.48 | zap | but imho the builder must say he wants BOTH thumb AND vfp |
| 10:01.07 | kulve | ok |
| 10:01.09 | zap | for example, maemo mapper would definitely gain from vfp, and it's not using it |
| 10:01.29 | zap | (the bitmap scaling/rotation code uses floating point) |
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| 10:18.01 | Khertan | rah ... glade will make me crazy ! |
| 10:19.23 | zap | whats wrong with it? |
| 10:19.28 | zap | so far I was very pleased |
| 10:20.07 | Khertan | i don't like it :) |
| 10:20.27 | Khertan | and more on windows ... |
| 10:20.29 | Khertan | crash a lot |
| 10:20.42 | Khertan | yes i know ... but i m at work ! |
| 10:22.06 | zap | it never crashed for me |
| 10:22.12 | zap | but I'm on Linux... |
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| 10:24.00 | Khertan | zap> work much better on nux |
| 10:24.30 | Khertan | and my main problem with glade (and gtk) ... it s that all my interface isn't terrible ... |
| 10:24.46 | zap | what you mean terrible |
| 10:25.09 | zap | if you're used to Windows API, just forget the GUI approaches from windows |
| 10:25.13 | zap | gtk is 'think different' |
| 10:25.14 | Khertan | i found them ... how to say .... ugly |
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| 10:25.34 | Khertan | zap> i'm not used to windows api (never use it :) ) |
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| 10:25.46 | zap | then I don't see your problem |
| 10:25.58 | zap | gtk is a pretty, simple and effective API |
| 10:26.00 | Khertan | the problem ... me :) |
| 10:26.08 | Khertan | i'm a coder ... |
| 10:26.10 | zap | try to grok gtk |
| 10:26.13 | Khertan | not a designer :) |
| 10:26.20 | Khertan | and my ui is ugly |
| 10:26.21 | Khertan | :) |
| 10:26.27 | zap | um |
| 10:26.57 | Khertan | "try to grok gtk" << what does this mean ? |
| 10:27.05 | zap | well maybe you can find someone to build interfaces or you :) |
| 10:27.17 | Khertan | :) |
| 10:27.33 | Khertan | i ve tryed edje ... but not very well integrated in maemo |
| 10:27.34 | zap | what are you designing? |
| 10:27.47 | XTLi | Make it simpler |
| 10:28.07 | zap | what is edje? |
| 10:28.40 | forge | A library |
| 10:28.54 | forge | A part of EFL |
| 10:28.55 | Khertan | a library like libglade, that enable you to make gui like the canola one |
| 10:29.25 | ranit | hi, i compiled the phonon-gstreamer separately for desktop succesfully but while compiling for the maemo device, it doesn't suport openGL , what should i replace the openGL with..? the pro file is http://rafb.net/p/a5nBEb25.html |
| 10:29.30 | glass | zap: hows vfp vs. fixed point performance in stuff like scaling, texturemapping or such? |
| 10:29.30 | XTLi | Meaning slow? |
| 10:29.43 | Khertan | google for "how to make beautiful gtk interface" ... first result "GTK+ NetHack" |
| 10:29.44 | Khertan | lol |
| 10:29.53 | XTLi | :) |
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| 10:30.13 | Khertan | i understand a much more the GTK Style now :) |
| 10:30.25 | zap | glass: of course fixed-point is fasted than vfp, but maemo mapper already uses some library that does it in floating-point |
| 10:30.43 | Khertan | maybe i should make a ncurse gui ... |
| 10:30.53 | zap | ranit: thats a cool joke |
| 10:31.13 | ranit | ? |
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| 10:31.29 | zap | "it doesn't suport openGL , what should i replace the openGL with" <- hahaha |
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| 10:31.40 | Veggen | Khertan: I once, in the pre-web-bank-era, was part of implementing an ncurses bank client. |
| 10:31.46 | Khertan | ranit > ncurse ? |
| 10:32.10 | Khertan | Veggen> :) i'ven't know this time :) |
| 10:32.33 | Khertan | Veggen> my bank client was made in cocoa :) |
| 10:32.38 | Khertan | :) |
| 10:32.40 | zap | Khertan: well gtk interface and canola-like interface are two completely different things |
| 10:32.59 | Veggen | It wasn't in the pre-web-time, it was around 1998-1999, but it was around the time where people still made fat clients. |
| 10:33.06 | kulve | ranit: no replacement for open gl |
| 10:33.30 | zap | we're still full of hope though :) |
| 10:33.31 | Veggen | It did, however, result in a pretty good screen-oriented ncurses-library that I'm gonna try fish out from the corporate veils. |
| 10:33.35 | Veggen | (some day) |
| 10:33.51 | ranit | then is there any way i can compile the phonon-gstreamer, kulve |
| 10:34.02 | Khertan | zap> yes ... but i don't want to make a canola-like ... just use the lib to make a great design :) |
| 10:34.21 | zap | Khertan: I believe you can make great design with gtk as well |
| 10:34.23 | Khertan | kulve>ncurse could replace it :) |
| 10:34.25 | Veggen | I didn't remember/think of keeping it from myself, and anyways I don't own the rights. But I think it's actually good enough quality that I could have it released, I think. |
| 10:34.32 | Khertan | zap > some can ... me not :) |
| 10:34.36 | Veggen | And it's void of any business-logic whatsoever. |
| 10:35.01 | kulve | ranit: I'm not familiar with the project, so I can't say, sorry |
| 10:35.20 | zap | Khertan: its like somebody thinks "I'll buy this Canon Mark III and then every my shot will be a masterpiece" |
| 10:35.53 | XTLi | Isn't there a sw Mesa libGL port? |
| 10:35.53 | Veggen | It's a little bit weird to use, though, since it's screen-oriented :) This is because it was intented for usage with a 3270-emulator-thing for customers with 3270-terminals. |
| 10:36.05 | Khertan | := |
| 10:36.15 | XTLi | zap: lot of people seem to |
| 10:36.30 | zap | XTLi: but for some reason it doesn't happen :) |
| 10:36.31 | XTLi | Instead, they'll video the rattling of the shutter |
| 10:36.50 | Khertan | zap > why not ? with interface builder from apple it s a lot simpliest to make beautifull interface |
| 10:37.02 | Khertan | zap > of course you still can make crappy things |
| 10:37.16 | zap | Khertan: it includes a "masterpiece mode" button? |
| 10:37.25 | XTLi | Veggen: :-D |
| 10:37.33 | Khertan | zap> no, but some auto features to help :) |
| 10:38.07 | zap | I don't know, never used apples, but I had no real problems with glide |
| 10:38.09 | Veggen | (off topic) more expensive cameras usually give more possibilities, but quality will probably not improve significantly between Canon 450D and Canon Mark III for "normal people". |
| 10:38.28 | Khertan | zap > the problem isn't glade again ... more me :) |
| 10:38.36 | Khertan | have you ever see mCalendar ? |
| 10:38.37 | XTLi | Quality of content especially |
| 10:38.44 | Khertan | i found the gui ugly |
| 10:38.55 | zap | Khertan: no, but I'll try to find it |
| 10:39.17 | Khertan | http://khertan.net/poubelle/mcalendar01.png |
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| 10:39.57 | Khertan | will try to come to summit with the maemo logo that should win .... http://khertan.net/poubelle/logo1.png |
| 10:41.00 | hrw | Khertan: ugly is lightly told |
| 10:41.52 | Khertan | hrw> hum ... don't understand the mean of your text ... this is worst than ugly ... or just a few ugly ? |
| 10:41.53 | Khertan | :) |
| 10:42.06 | ranit | any one who have compiled phonon-gstreamer(Qt) for maemo ?? |
| 10:42.32 | hrw | Khertan: it is worst that ugly |
| 10:43.29 | Khertan | hrw > :) |
| 10:44.39 | Khertan | hrw > remember that this is for a stylus free interface |
| 10:44.42 | zap | Khertan: I forgot my school French, but doesn't "Ajouter" mean "Help" ? |
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| 10:44.52 | Khertan | Ajouter == Add |
| 10:44.56 | zap | ah ok |
| 10:44.58 | Khertan | (it s in fact gtk-add) |
| 10:45.07 | zap | and what's mercredi 23? |
| 10:45.20 | Khertan | Wednesday 23 |
| 10:46.07 | zap | and what means "Free"? |
| 10:46.37 | Khertan | When you click on the "Free Button" it display the free time available in the day |
| 10:47.02 | Khertan | so don't really need to look at disponibility ... click on free and you see it immediatly |
| 10:47.46 | zap | I would remove the time and the "juillet 2008" buttons |
| 10:47.55 | zap | the time is duplicated in the status bar |
| 10:48.06 | zap | and "juillet" can be changed in the top bar |
| 10:48.40 | zap | instead, you can make the "juillet" in the top bar clikable (button without borders) |
| 10:49.18 | zap | then, the "Next" and "Prev" buttons could be made larger, there is too much precious screen space lost on left and right side of them |
| 10:49.54 | Khertan | when you click on "Juillet" bottom button it display all event for the month jully |
| 10:49.55 | zap | and finally, I would add a little space between all controls (3 pixels or so) so that they don't glue together |
| 10:50.31 | zap | how do you remove events btw? I see "Add" but no "Remove"? |
| 10:50.46 | Khertan | in current displayed date in the top bar, click on it provide a calendar to go directly to a date |
| 10:51.14 | Khertan | http://khertan.net/poubelle/mcalendar03.png |
| 10:51.28 | Khertan | removing event is made in the event details itself ... |
| 10:51.45 | zap | aha, ok |
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| 10:52.14 | Khertan | the event details screen is a bit different now ... |
| 10:52.15 | hrw | Khertan: can we get agenda view? |
| 10:52.32 | Khertan | hrw > what do u call agenda view ? |
| 10:52.49 | Khertan | something with colored box where we can't see the event ? |
| 10:53.00 | hrw | Khertan: list of events |
| 10:53.25 | Khertan | this is already a list of events |
| 10:53.30 | Khertan | displayed in a list |
| 10:53.34 | XTLi | Busy/free view? |
| 10:53.35 | hrw | ah. ok |
| 10:53.57 | Khertan | XTLi> with a free view :) |
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| 10:54.26 | Khertan | but i m still studying how to make a better ui |
| 10:54.38 | Khertan | and mainly fix google synchro problem |
| 10:54.39 | XTLi | <- Lagged. Gui or net, either way |
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| 10:55.23 | Khertan | some reccurent event with by day setting is displayed at wrong date |
| 10:55.39 | Khertan | so ... i ll be back ... |
| 10:55.44 | Khertan | going to eat |
| 10:55.53 | Khertan | thx for your advice zap |
| 10:56.33 | zap | just trying to help with something |
| 10:57.19 | zap | maybe use a bandy list, like most PIM apps? |
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| 10:57.26 | Andy80 | hi |
| 10:57.30 | zap | one white entry, one colored |
| 10:57.54 | zap | makes it easier for eyes to distinguish one event from another |
| 10:58.03 | zap | also will make your app more colorful, it's quite B/W right now |
| 11:01.26 | zap | the buttons "next" and "prev" will move depending on the title... thats bad. I would make the center item expandable, and the buttons non-expandable so that they stay always at margins |
| 11:02.03 | zap | and perhaps leave only the icon, no need for text |
| 11:02.10 | Andy80 | zap: what app are you talking about? |
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| 11:02.39 | zap | <quote="title">logs at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/</quote> |
| 11:04.37 | XTLi | Zebra chainform look is pretty handy in subtle tones |
| 11:06.25 | XTLi | What are those really called in english? |
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| 11:18.05 | hrw | XTLi: alternative backgrounds? |
| 11:19.32 | riderman | Hi, are there some DBUS - pros here? |
| 11:22.45 | nomis | riderman: specific questions are more likely to get answers. |
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| 11:24.34 | riderman | okay, then here my question: I`ve got a Nokia 770 and want to be able to know how many percent of my battery are left. So I tried a small tool named battery-status but this didn`t work. |
| 11:25.15 | riderman | Now i`m playin around with the D-BUS and i allready can find out how many Bars are shown in the Battery-Icon |
| 11:25.34 | riderman | but how can I get the time that is left for the battery? |
| 11:25.55 | riderman | excuse my bad english, I`m German... |
| 11:27.09 | nomis | riderman: the english is ok :) |
| 11:28.15 | riderman | with this command I get the Number of bars shown in the battery-icon: dbus-send --system /com/nokia/bme/request com.nokia.bme.request.status_info_req |
| 11:28.57 | nomis | riderman: yeah, I am unsure how well documented the bme stuff is. It is one of the proprietary parts unfortunately. |
| 11:29.54 | riderman | and with this I want to get the time left: dbus-send --system /com/nokia/bme/request com.nokia.bme.request.timeleft_info_req - I`ve been reading around many hours and normally, this should work, but it just doesn`t want to... |
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| 11:30.42 | johnx | riderman, batterystatus seems to get lots of info |
| 11:31.12 | johnx | did you look at the source? (apologies if you already looked) |
| 11:32.14 | riderman | at the source of the tool battery-status? Yes, allreda looked at it... The problem is that this tool doesnt work either on my 770 |
| 11:32.33 | johnx | sorry, just looked over. didn't see that this was for a 770... |
| 11:32.54 | johnx | reads his backlog |
| 11:33.30 | riderman | this tool also works with com.nokia.bme.request.timeleft_info_req |
| 11:33.39 | zap | riderman: even doesn't work in OS2008HE? |
| 11:33.52 | nomis | mhm, I don't seem to get status messages with dbus-send |
| 11:34.23 | riderman | i had the OS2008HE for some time and there it didn`t work, too. But now i`ve the normal OS2006 again |
| 11:34.45 | riderman | you have to run dbus-monitor --system in an other terminal |
| 11:34.55 | nomis | ah. |
| 11:35.32 | zap | and you don't see the rpc's used to get the information you're interested in? |
| 11:35.55 | riderman | what are rpc`s ? |
| 11:35.55 | zap | I mean, with dbus-monitor |
| 11:36.01 | zap | rpc == remote procedure call |
| 11:36.13 | riderman | ah okay |
| 11:36.31 | nomis | quite likely the timeleft_info_req has been added in later revisions of bme then, or? |
| 11:36.45 | riderman | this could be! |
| 11:37.00 | zap | does the stock statusbar applet show it? |
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| 11:37.06 | riderman | no |
| 11:37.17 | zap | in this case it's very possible |
| 11:37.29 | zap | I think the time left is computed by some heuristic |
| 11:37.32 | zap | you could do the same |
| 11:37.36 | riderman | the applet shows only the battery with 1-4 bars |
| 11:37.41 | MoRpHeUz | anybody from brussels here ? =) |
| 11:37.51 | zap | riderman: you can't get the battery charge in percents? |
| 11:38.03 | riderman | this is what I want :) |
| 11:38.07 | andre___ | anybody in here running chinook who could email me his "/etc/operator_settings" file? |
| 11:38.17 | zap | MoRpHeUz: only brussels cabbage here |
| 11:38.29 | hrw | andre___: chinook not diablo? |
| 11:38.39 | riderman | the battery-status prog does this by calculating it ot of the time left value |
| 11:38.42 | zap | riderman: try to look in /sys then, I think it contains full info |
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| 11:39.24 | andre___ | hrw, yes, chinook |
| 11:39.30 | Ecam | well |
| 11:39.36 | andre___ | hrw, want to compare regressions :) |
| 11:39.39 | hrw | ah |
| 11:39.42 | Ecam | just got home.. let me see about installing this nit-debian distro |
| 11:40.20 | andre___ | hrw: i just need more hardware to be able to run everything here ;-) |
| 11:40.42 | hrw | andre___: or qemu |
| 11:40.46 | riderman | so you think the value is saved somewhere in /sys/power ? |
| 11:40.52 | MoRpHeUz | zap: =) |
| 11:40.54 | andre___ | hmm. that would be an option, indeed |
| 11:41.05 | riderman | this would be the easiest way... |
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| 11:41.20 | zap | riderman: its not in /sys/power |
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| 11:41.38 | zap | its somewhere under /sys/bus/platform/i2c/ or something like that |
| 11:42.05 | riderman | ah okay, thank you! I`ll just search a bit there now :) |
| 11:44.02 | Macor | hm |
| 11:44.20 | Macor | what was the nit-debian site again for install instructions? i know someone said it here earlier |
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| 11:50.29 | johnx | Macor, http://trac.tspre.org/projects/nit-debian |
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| 12:03.09 | riderman | my god... there are many files :) |
| 12:07.59 | lcuk | there are many files, all alike. |
| 12:08.07 | lcuk | > N. |
| 12:08.37 | lcuk | You walk North. In a clearing near the glen is a folder and some binaries. You are likely to be eaten by a grue. |
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| 12:23.27 | XTLi | > find . -type f -name 'treasure' |
| 12:27.38 | ranit | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:29.29 | hrw | build without gl |
| 12:30.20 | aquatix | XTLi: You find a dark pit. The tip of a tentacle slowly creeps over the edge, then quickly grasps your legs and drags you into the eternal darkness. In the distance you hear grues scream their last breath. Darkness envelopes you. |
| 12:30.33 | aquatix | is in an evil mood |
| 12:31.39 | aquatix | maybe i should start a MUD |
| 12:31.42 | riderman | I don`t find anything in this file-jungle... any Idea for what filename i could search? |
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| 12:33.09 | Macor | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/dists/diablo/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 64.208.21.81 80] |
| 12:33.13 | Macor | hm... wtf |
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| 12:33.59 | Raytray | RST38h, you were right. :P |
| 12:34.22 | Macor | http://trac.tspre.org/projects/nit-debian <- these instructions are broken for diablo |
| 12:34.48 | X-Fade | Macor: diablo doesn't have a single sdk repository anymore. |
| 12:35.01 | X-Fade | Macor: diablo/sdk and diablo/tols |
| 12:35.19 | X-Fade | s/tols/tools/ |
| 12:35.43 | Macor | yeah... that sucks heh |
| 12:35.43 | Macor | guess i have to change those in the lists file |
| 12:35.51 | Stskeeps | Macor: did you add that repo yourself manually or? |
| 12:36.01 | ranit | but this is the outcome ..... http://rafb.net/p/7NZgxt10.html, hrw |
| 12:36.02 | Macor | yes manually |
| 12:36.15 | Stskeeps | Macor: so technically it has nothing to deal with nit-debian? ;) |
| 12:36.27 | hrw | ranit: no --without-gl option? |
| 12:36.40 | Macor | deb http://repository.maemo.org/dists/diablo/sdk diablo free non-free |
| 12:36.47 | Macor | so i'm guess it would look like that? |
| 12:37.01 | Macor | not nit-debian.. but the install instructions on their page says to "just replace chinook with diablo" |
| 12:37.06 | Macor | which doesn't work |
| 12:37.20 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 12:37.27 | Stskeeps | sec |
| 12:37.39 | X-Fade | Macor: deb http://repository.maemo.org/ diablo/sdk free non-free |
| 12:37.49 | Macor | ah i see |
| 12:38.06 | Macor | and diablo/tools |
| 12:38.17 | Stskeeps | Macor: yeah, you're right - thanks, i'll edit it |
| 12:39.55 | Macor | for extras it looks like it would be ... |
| 12:40.02 | Macor | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/ diablo free non-free |
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| 12:41.14 | Macor | sorry.. mean dists? |
| 12:41.19 | Stskeeps | i'm working a bit on a solution where i can avoid having to introduce dependancies to maemo at all.. the whole repo business is a bit messy at times :) |
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| 12:42.48 | Stskeeps | hmm. what Maemo distribution is 'screenÃ' in, in Diablo? |
| 12:42.50 | Stskeeps | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:42.58 | Stskeeps | (yes, i checked gronmayer) |
| 12:43.11 | Macor | yeah.. i'm still trying to figure out how to set up the repository.maemo.org/ one |
| 12:44.10 | Stskeeps | seems like screen is missing in Maemo extras |
| 12:44.18 | Stskeeps | for diablo |
| 12:44.31 | Macor | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ diablo/sdk free non-free |
| 12:44.47 | Stskeeps | does apt-get install screen work then? |
| 12:44.50 | Macor | that's what their site says to use |
| 12:45.03 | Macor | i'm actually trying to install subversion :) |
| 12:45.38 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 12:45.43 | Macor | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/dists/diablo/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 64.208.21.73 80] |
| 12:45.50 | Macor | bastard :) |
| 12:45.52 | Macor | oops |
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| 12:46.56 | Stskeeps | Macor: just get maemo extras enabled and subversion might be there? |
| 12:47.01 | Stskeeps | i'm honestly not sure :P |
| 12:47.02 | mikkov_ | Macor: extras is http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ diablo free non-free |
| 12:47.04 | Khertan | there is a dists ... |
| 12:47.15 | Khertan | there is one useless dists ... |
| 12:47.19 | Khertan | there is one useless "dists" ... |
| 12:47.22 | Khertan | pfff |
| 12:47.25 | Macor | yeah.. i noticed ;) |
| 12:48.15 | zap | riderman: any success? |
| 12:48.28 | Macor | Package subversion is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 12:48.34 | Macor | wow are you kidding me :) |
| 12:48.42 | Macor | i'm about to just downjload the deb manually haha |
| 12:48.49 | riderman | no... still searching |
| 12:48.54 | Stskeeps | Macor: i'll make you a tar.gz of the current svn, sec |
| 12:49.04 | zap | riderman: I can tell you how its called on N810 |
| 12:49.30 | riderman | that would be nice :) |
| 12:49.38 | Stskeeps | Macor: blah, nevermind, installer needs subversion too (..) |
| 12:49.53 | Stskeeps | or not.. sec |
| 12:50.11 | Macor | i was talking about subversion itself |
| 12:50.24 | Stskeeps | Macor: yeah, i'd say getting the .deb yourself is easier :P |
| 12:50.31 | Macor | it seems like it would be easier to just download the deb than to rely on the repostories |
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| 12:52.50 | nomis | riderman: joh, das ist ziemlich lästig. Es wäre schon cool, wenn man irgendwo eine Dokumentation aller DBus-APIs hätte, insbesonders von den proprietären Komponenten. |
| 12:52.54 | nomis | arks. |
| 12:53.32 | XTLi | Indeed |
| 12:53.51 | Macor | ok.. got it |
| 12:53.58 | Macor | guess i can continue with this nit install now :) |
| 12:55.15 | hrw | nomis: dokÅadnie tak jak mówisz |
| 12:55.37 | nomis | hrw: bless you! ;) |
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| 12:56.01 | hrw | ;) |
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| 12:56.27 | nomis | hrw: It actually was intended to be a private message. I was just complaining about a lack of documentation of the dbus api of the proprietary components. |
| 12:56.47 | hrw | nomis: propertiary stuff is curse of maemo |
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| 12:57.18 | nomis | dbus is not really introspectable, is it? |
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| 12:58.47 | lbt | Stskeeps: Macor: I noted the self same issue on here this morning - I couldn't find a way to register on the Trac site to edit the wiki though |
| 12:59.10 | Macor | Package binutils is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 12:59.16 | Macor | wtf? |
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| 13:01.09 | Stskeeps | lbt: yeah, wiki editing is for coders only for now, but bug reports are always welcome |
| 13:02.06 | Stskeeps | noting those issues when they arise |
| 13:02.07 | Macor | what rep is binutils a part of? |
| 13:02.19 | Macor | the installer doesn't seem to want to install binutils |
| 13:02.45 | zap | would like to know to what LED refers /sys/class/leds/cover |
| 13:03.38 | pvanhoof | How do I detect if the keyboard is opened on a n810? |
| 13:03.48 | zap | via a GPIO |
| 13:04.01 | nomis | pvanhoof: there is a dbus message for that. |
| 13:04.36 | pvanhoof | nomis, you know which one? |
| 13:04.41 | Macor | hm |
| 13:04.43 | zap | my guess is, if its undocumented, better don't use it |
| 13:05.03 | Kegetys | when you slide the keyboard open/closed it prints it in dmesg I think |
| 13:05.06 | nomis | pvanhoof: sorry, it is gconf. /system/osso/af/slide-open |
| 13:05.52 | Macor | is there a diablo rep with binutils on it ? i suppose it's not a part of maemo or maemo extras |
| 13:05.53 | pvanhoof | nomis, aha so I just listen for that key using GConf? |
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| 13:06.43 | nomis | pvanhoof: yeah. |
| 13:06.47 | Macor | only rep i have found is chinook |
| 13:06.53 | mikkov_ | Macor: binutils is in sdk or tools repo |
| 13:07.12 | Macor | mikkov_ - in maemo.org .. ok.. i'll look for it |
| 13:07.52 | riderman | hm... now I found something interesting... theres a file in /sys/devices/platform/omap_uwire/spi2.0 named vbatt but the value into it is 0 |
| 13:08.29 | riderman | the temperature is stored in temp0 and temp1 in this path, but I dont need this :) |
| 13:12.42 | Macor | ok.. progress.. thanks |
| 13:13.54 | Macor | seems to be going good now |
| 13:14.22 | Macor | crosses his fingers and hopes debian installs :) |
| 13:15.49 | riderman | lol, it even recognizes if the battery-cover is open or closed |
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| 13:17.03 | Kegetys | thats for N800 maybe to prepare for the inner SD card to be removed |
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| 13:17.40 | zap | riderman: it seems the battery voltage sensor is in the "tahvo" chip, if I'm not mistaken |
| 13:18.09 | Kegetys | it would be nice to have a button for stylus in/out, could be used to change UI between finger/stylus style |
| 13:19.05 | zap | you can use the keyboard out/in gpio for that |
| 13:19.19 | zap | at least for proof-of-concept |
| 13:19.29 | riderman | okay, I`ll have a look... it found some locations with tahvo... |
| 13:19.31 | Kegetys | it has some trigger in it? |
| 13:19.45 | XTLi | Stylus being in or out doesn't treally mean you're in any mode |
| 13:19.55 | zap | Kegetys: of course, OS always knows if keyboard is open or closed |
| 13:20.11 | Kegetys | zap: stylus != keyboard :) |
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| 13:20.21 | XTLi | Mine is often lying on the table and I interact on a whim |
| 13:20.59 | Kegetys | it would be better imo than the current system where some elements are big and some are small, you could also have some way to manually toggle it |
| 13:21.19 | XTLi | This must have been talked to death before somewgere |
| 13:21.26 | RST38h | Make it a rule to cover light sensor every time you remove the stylus |
| 13:21.36 | Kegetys | I haven't ever talked about it, if you dont want to talk about it then dont talk :P |
| 13:21.39 | RST38h | This way you can use light sensor as the stylus-out flag =) |
| 13:21.46 | XTLi | Unfingerable elements are a problem, though |
| 13:22.14 | Kegetys | I personally find the huge elements to be more annoying as I usually use the stylus |
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| 13:22.40 | Kegetys | like the browser shortcut menu |
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| 13:26.37 | Macor | hm ... does it matter if i use LBA or not when making a 1G fat32/vfat partition for this debian install? |
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| 13:27.29 | hrw | Macor: it does not |
| 13:28.10 | Macor | then 0B it is |
| 13:29.24 | Macor | just wanted to be able to use swap and have a little space on it for the hildon on the internal flash |
| 13:29.38 | RST38h | The Knights Templar are demanding that the Vatican give them back their good name and, possibly, billions in assets into the bargain, 700 years after the order was brutally suppressed by a joint venture between the Pope and the King of France. |
| 13:30.05 | Macor | sounds like black people in the US demanding money for slavery :) |
| 13:30.07 | zap | hahahah |
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| 13:30.33 | zap | even worse, afaik the Templar order was completely wiped away off the place of planet |
| 13:30.48 | zap | today anybody may call himself a Templar and require payments |
| 13:31.00 | Macor | well.. that's what you get for going against Jesus :) |
| 13:31.02 | RST38h | Not really, they have got real descendants |
| 13:31.14 | Macor | because that is definately something Jesus would want |
| 13:31.16 | zap | thats a urban legend |
| 13:31.20 | Macor | as is taught in the new testament |
| 13:31.23 | RST38h | They do look inbred though: http://www.osmth.org/ |
| 13:31.27 | zap | spreaded by the so-called new templars |
| 13:31.45 | Macor | i think they are just trying to scam gold from the church :) |
| 13:31.57 | zap | sure they are |
| 13:32.33 | RST38h | Then they should declare a Crusade and lay siege on Vatican |
| 13:32.50 | RST38h | Isn't it the knightly thing to do? |
| 13:32.54 | zap | are you sure they know which side to grab sword from? |
| 13:32.59 | zap | *a |
| 13:33.27 | Macor | hm.. is 128M really big enough for a swap for this? |
| 13:33.37 | RST38h | Well, that is of no concern to the public |
| 13:33.54 | Macor | don't they still have the vatican guard.. in like.. old school knight clothes protecting the vatican? |
| 13:34.21 | kpel | that's the swiss guard and i don't think they are dressed as knights |
| 13:34.27 | Macor | i vaguely remember seeing that in euro trip |
| 13:34.38 | Macor | where do the swiss come into this? |
| 13:34.53 | nomis | no, they are dressed as clowns. |
| 13:34.58 | RST38h | Sitzerland? |
| 13:34.58 | Macor | one day the pop decided to find the most neutral country in the world and say "you're going to have to protect us" |
| 13:34.58 | kpel | no idea, but that's how the guard is called |
| 13:35.25 | Macor | i guess because the swiss have all the countries' monies stored in their vaults |
| 13:36.06 | kpel | all the blood covered, unlaundered monies |
| 13:36.11 | Macor | hm.. do i set a bootable flag on any of these partitions? |
| 13:36.17 | hrw | thats swiss guard indeed |
| 13:36.36 | hrw | The Papal Swiss Guard in the Vatican was founded in 1506 and is the only Swiss Guard that still exists. |
| 13:36.38 | Macor | in order to get nit-debian to boot? it doesn't say anything about it in the instructions |
| 13:39.15 | Macor | to ext3 ... or not to ext3.. that is the question |
| 13:40.12 | hrw | to |
| 13:40.32 | XTLi | Oh.. They really are dressed like clowns |
| 13:40.35 | Macor | heh... yeah .. i picked ext3... but on an 8G flash |
| 13:40.46 | Macor | yeah. they look all yellow |
| 13:40.53 | Macor | with chef hats on |
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| 13:42.36 | Macor | well.. it seems to be finally installing to the partition.. this looks like it's going to take a year so i'm going to sleep.. hopefully it doesn't run into problems |
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| 13:44.18 | Macor | i hope this nit-debian install doesn't suck :) |
| 13:48.38 | XTLi | Damn. It's probably too late for me to apply |
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| 13:49.42 | Macor | for the swiss guard? :) |
| 13:50.11 | XTLi | Yes |
| 13:50.35 | Macor | just walk up to the vatican in a monk suit whipping yourself in tongue |
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| 13:50.59 | XTLi | Maybe a foreign legion.. |
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| 13:51.35 | Macor | wow.. nit-debian has a ton of debs for armel |
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| 13:52.34 | Macor | sure looks promising.. as long as cups works.. i'm a happy camper.. and maybe my bt keyboard.. that would be nice too :) |
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| 13:54.50 | RST38h | Hehe, MPAA wants to illegalize analog video outputs |
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| 13:56.03 | riderman | argh... I find everything thinkable but no battery voltage or battery percents |
| 13:57.26 | XTLi | Nothing you can derive them from? |
| 13:57.39 | pupnik | i'm never paying to see a movie again in my life |
| 13:58.03 | solmumaha | pupnik: what sucked? |
| 13:58.07 | riderman | no |
| 13:58.18 | pupnik | mpaa. |
| 13:58.27 | pupnik | Tim Buckley - Song to the Siren: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2QmQhYZEvQ |
| 13:58.29 | pupnik | "Oh my heart, oh my heart... shies from the sorrow." |
| 13:58.33 | solmumaha | oh |
| 13:59.03 | pupnik | that, and there are better things to do with time, solmumaha |
| 14:00.53 | solmumaha | could be |
| 14:01.06 | solmumaha | let me know if you find something |
| 14:04.15 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:07.13 | riderman | Okay... enough for today - I`ll try tomorrow agin... bye |
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| 14:24.33 | Stskeeps | Macor: you succeeded? |
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| 14:27.17 | Binky | Ok, I dont be want to be arrogant or anything, but i would like anyone to answer quickly. I bought a 2 GB card. My 770 says is corrupted or not formated. Can i format the card with it in the device and the deevice connected via USB? I don't know if it's mounted, because if i do as root umount /media/mmc1 it says umount invalid argument. |
| 14:27.26 | Khertan | does gnome-vfs is available on diablo ? |
| 14:27.44 | Khertan | does we can mount drive by ssh with it ? |
| 14:27.58 | pupnik | Binky: you should be able to format it vfat with a card reader |
| 14:28.01 | hrw | Binky: I would format it with external card reader |
| 14:28.16 | hrw | I do not know does 770 kernel handled 2GB sd cards |
| 14:28.39 | pupnik | my 770 handles and formats 2GB rs-mmc, but i forgot if it's an updated kernel |
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| 14:28.56 | Binky | pupnik, hrw , i would if i have one. That's why i'm so desesperated |
| 14:29.13 | Binky | I have the first OS2006 release. |
| 14:29.27 | pupnik | so can you format with it connected to usb... is the question |
| 14:29.39 | pupnik | hrw - do you know? |
| 14:29.39 | Stskeeps | Binky: i think fanoush's page mentions something about it |
| 14:30.05 | Binky | Stskeeps, thank you, i'll give it a look |
| 14:30.18 | Binky | pupnik, yes, it is |
| 14:30.21 | hrw | Khertan: there is gnome-vfs but no idea about ssh |
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| 14:30.43 | hrw | it should be formatable *IF* tablet see it properly |
| 14:31.01 | hrw | Binky: insert card into 770 and check dmesg does it recognize card |
| 14:31.08 | Khertan | hrw > ok thanks ... i ll look |
| 14:31.19 | hrw | there was a problem with >1GB sd cards several kernel versions ago |
| 14:31.51 | Binky | [ 2226.326995] FAT: bogus number of reserved sectors |
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| 14:32.09 | Khertan | if someone doesn't know what to do ... i ve pycripto to compile and update to extras devel :) |
| 14:32.16 | Binky | [ 2226.327087] VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on mmcblk0p1 |
| 14:32.38 | hrw | Binky: tried to format it with os2006? |
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| 14:34.09 | Binky | From File Manager? If i click it says is not inserted |
| 14:34.46 | Binky | And with efs2progs (or something like it) i have to umount it, where i didn't suceed |
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| 14:48.32 | hrw | Binky: please pastebin dmesg when you insert card |
| 14:48.34 | hrw | ~pastebin |
| 14:48.35 | infobot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 14:52.14 | Binky | [ 4331.519226] MMC2: Command timeout, CMD7 |
| 14:52.23 | Binky | Oh, i don't get it |
| 14:52.24 | Binky | Lol |
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| 14:52.31 | hrw | ok, so it does not like it rather |
| 14:53.22 | Binky | http://pastebin.ca/1092538 |
| 14:53.29 | Binky | Here it is full |
| 14:53.47 | hrw | no card then |
| 14:54.35 | Binky | It is inserted in slot, but if i connect 770 to my pc, i'm able to write data |
| 14:54.52 | hrw | then try to format it from pc |
| 14:55.07 | hrw | but I do not have too good thinking about it |
| 14:55.20 | Binky | When connected to my pc, can i format it or will i break something because its inserted? |
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| 14:55.36 | Binky | My 770 is not under warranty... lol |
| 14:57.04 | hrw | Binky: mine never was |
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| 14:58.01 | Binky | As mine (second-handed) |
| 14:58.16 | Binky | But is the second week it's in my possesion |
| 15:00.07 | hrw | Binky: I am first owner of that 770 but I got it boxed from Nokia guy |
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| 15:01.30 | Binky | So, you got it free? |
| 15:01.39 | hrw | yes |
| 15:01.59 | Binky | Lucky you... |
| 15:02.00 | hrw | otherwise I would not buy it - its too underpowered to be usable |
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| 15:08.04 | t_s_o | hmm? |
| 15:09.57 | Binky | I'm going to reflash, bye |
| 15:10.11 | hrw | t_s_o: ? |
| 15:10.27 | t_s_o | i missed what device you where talking about |
| 15:10.32 | hrw | 770 |
| 15:15.05 | t_s_o | ah |
| 15:15.48 | t_s_o | i have one here thats whitescreened. but as its a us model that expansys sold of to cover orders in europe, nokia wont touch it for some silly reason... |
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| 15:18.48 | MakeGho | Has anyone got maemotex to work in n810? Would be so nice to get it :/ |
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| 15:31.11 | zap | Is it quiet here, or my network connection is gone? |
| 15:32.12 | pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1lHb3ODuko 800-watt Optibike on dirt track chases train. |
| 15:32.23 | pupnik | shh, don't disturb the coders |
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| 15:34.09 | zap | cool, electric bike is my dream |
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| 15:41.39 | pupnik | that gang of young colorado freaks kicked all of the swiss', german, china's, japan's and korea's e-bike asses with that thing |
| 15:44.55 | zap | $9000, OMG |
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| 15:48.45 | lcuk | is huntin' wabbits |
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| 15:50.26 | qwerty12 | refrains from demonstrating the rabbit joke involving a farmer and a knife |
| 15:50.48 | qwerty12 | (well imaginary knife anyway. and imaginary rabbit come think of it too) |
| 15:51.43 | pupnik | you can get chinese grandmother e-bikes for a few hundred dollars zap |
| 15:52.06 | zap | this one, for example http://www.electric-bikes.com/bikes/kits.html#BMC |
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| 15:53.46 | JZA | hi I got a question regarding the performance of the maemo platform on email and imap |
| 15:54.19 | JZA | I tried to get my gmail on imap on my n800 but I saw my app collapse by so much email. I wonder if it download the email to the system or can I fine tune it to show me the email of a period of time |
| 15:54.50 | johnx | JZA, is this OS2007 or the latest OS2008? |
| 15:54.54 | JZA | OS2008 |
| 15:54.55 | JZA | Diablo |
| 15:55.21 | johnx | nevermind then...just wondering |
| 15:55.33 | johnx | out of curiosity, how many messages do you have? |
| 15:55.39 | JZA | a lo |
| 15:55.41 | JZA | lot |
| 15:55.52 | JZA | around 30000 |
| 15:56.28 | johnx | did you ever considering archiving or labeling some? |
| 15:56.32 | JZA | I actually dont mind getting email, I just want to be able to send. |
| 15:57.21 | zap | It makes sense to create a folder called "Archive" and move all the contents of the inbox there |
| 15:57.25 | JZA | johnx: do u mean archieve on n800 or on the Gmail account (web) |
| 15:57.39 | johnx | on the gmail web interface |
| 15:57.43 | zap | but anyway, you better set up a account in the built-in mail application and read/write mail through it |
| 15:58.01 | JZA | zap? |
| 15:58.22 | JZA | johnx, well I'll give it a try |
| 15:59.11 | zap | JZA: sorry for my bad English, what you did not understand? |
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| 16:19.21 | camden | hi folks |
| 16:19.51 | camden | does anybody know how to install a .deb into the removable card space? |
| 16:20.41 | camden | ie freeciv won't fit into my program memory so I wish to install it onto my sd card. |
| 16:21.09 | mgedmin | camden: it's very difficult |
| 16:21.22 | camden | I was worried about that |
| 16:21.31 | mgedmin | you'd have to reformat the SD card as ext2 (or ext3) and then set up bind mounts or symlinks or something |
| 16:21.42 | mgedmin | or just copy your root fs onto it |
| 16:21.48 | camden | hmm |
| 16:22.46 | hrw | o mgedmin |
| 16:22.52 | mgedmin | meow |
| 16:22.54 | hrw | mgedmin: hi, how was pythoon conf? |
| 16:22.58 | mgedmin | nice |
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| 16:27.39 | bef0rd | camden, well you can probably move some data files, not executables from /usr/share to the sd card to free some space, and then simlynk |
| 16:29.43 | nemo | Interesting |
| 16:29.57 | nemo | It isn't practical to, say, just remount /usr onto the sd card? |
| 16:30.44 | nemo | ... I suppose that was also entail never removing the SD card again :) |
| 16:30.45 | bef0rd | if its not ext3 / ext2 I'm not sure if it gonna work, aren't there /usr/bin executables? |
| 16:31.01 | nemo | bef0rd: well. ext3 sure, that's not a problem |
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| 16:31.18 | nemo | and I guess if I unmounted it the real /usr would appear - but then I'd have issue of keeping 'em in sync |
| 16:31.34 | nemo | 'spose some other space-sucking low hanging fruit would be a better target |
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| 16:31.44 | nemo | on my computer, that is usually /home :) |
| 16:32.07 | nemo | bef0rd: that symlink sounds like a better idea :) |
| 16:33.08 | camden | well, I have no problem moving files, making symlinks, and such, but it's a lot of trouble. for now I'll remove the wasteful apps. |
| 16:33.12 | camden | thanks for the advice folks. |
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| 16:33.31 | bef0rd | heh, I actually only did that with lxdoom folder, I wanted to add several custom wads |
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| 16:49.45 | hrw | have a nice evening - I go for a walk |
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| 17:05.43 | hendry | is there strace on diablo? |
| 17:10.04 | johnx | I believe it's available from a repository |
| 17:10.06 | jott | hendry: yes, in diablo/tools repository. |
| 17:11.01 | lcuk | johnx, the holy grail is also available from a repository, as is elvis. the trick is knowing which repo |
| 17:11.35 | johnx | lcuk, gronmayer.com/it has strace. no idea about elvis. Jesus is ... right behind you! watch out! |
| 17:11.48 | lcuk | the FSM will protect me |
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| 17:12.15 | lcuk | his noodly appendage is installed |
| 17:13.28 | nemo | looks for FSM in cowsay |
| 17:13.39 | johnx | apt-cache search fsm |
| 17:13.50 | nemo | aww. not there |
| 17:13.58 | nemo | guess I'll have to make one |
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| 17:14.37 | zetheroo | I have no sound on video playback on the N800 |
| 17:15.11 | zetheroo | please help |
| 17:15.25 | zap | stock media player or mplayer? |
| 17:15.29 | johnx | you need to tell us a little more info |
| 17:15.39 | nemo | any video or a particular video? :) |
| 17:15.41 | zetheroo | I am using the default media player |
| 17:15.51 | johnx | have you tested more than one file? are you sure the sound isn't set to mute? |
| 17:15.58 | lcuk | volume up there and in control panel? |
| 17:15.58 | zetheroo | I just copied an mpeg4 to the SD card |
| 17:16.04 | johnx | what have you done/installed recently? |
| 17:16.08 | zetheroo | volume is all up |
| 17:16.11 | zetheroo | and sound is working |
| 17:16.14 | lcuk | check other files |
| 17:16.16 | zetheroo | just not on the vid |
| 17:16.18 | johnx | does the included video play? and what error do you get? |
| 17:16.35 | zetheroo | have not installed anything in months |
| 17:16.46 | zetheroo | the video plays very well |
| 17:17.00 | johnx | alright, so a certain video you have isn't compatible |
| 17:17.03 | johnx | is that correct? |
| 17:17.16 | zap | try mplayer, it's better and eats more formats |
| 17:17.20 | zetheroo | is not compatible? |
| 17:17.29 | zetheroo | mpeg4 |
| 17:17.35 | johnx | a certain video you have doesn't work, but others do, right? |
| 17:17.46 | zap | sound could be encoded in a whacky format |
| 17:17.54 | johnx | "mpeg4" is a name that contains a lot of sub-formats |
| 17:18.08 | zetheroo | Audio Codec: MPEG 1 Audio, Layer 3 (MP3) |
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| 17:18.15 | ^meus | hello |
| 17:18.18 | zap | thats strange then |
| 17:18.27 | zap | but anyway, try mplayer |
| 17:18.29 | zetheroo | Channel: Stereo |
| 17:18.38 | zetheroo | is mplayer in the repos? |
| 17:18.42 | zap | should be |
| 17:18.56 | zap | yes, it is |
| 17:19.07 | zetheroo | ok |
| 17:19.36 | zetheroo | I had tried another mp4 file and the sound was there .. but off-sync |
| 17:19.41 | lcuk | zetheroo, any chance your audio system is in use? |
| 17:19.45 | lcuk | ahhh right |
| 17:19.59 | zetheroo | audio on the device is working throughout |
| 17:20.08 | zetheroo | but there is not other media playing other than the vid |
| 17:20.13 | johnx | what is the resolution of the video that had out-of-sync sound? |
| 17:20.29 | zetheroo | oof.. I dunno |
| 17:20.34 | zetheroo | would it make a diff? |
| 17:20.57 | zetheroo | the one I am trying to play now is 320 x 240 |
| 17:21.01 | zap | sure, N8x0 cannot play high-res videos |
| 17:21.25 | zap | mplayer can handle up to something like 512x304 |
| 17:21.32 | zap | and stock media player up to 400x240 |
| 17:22.18 | meus | i need some help |
| 17:22.53 | meus | i'm trying to load plugin outside of the plugin loader on maemo (diablo 4.1 is the one i'm testing) |
| 17:23.01 | meus | and i'm trying to load them with python |
| 17:23.02 | zetheroo | the dimensions of the off-sync file was also 320 x 240 |
| 17:23.22 | meus | actually i don't know what i'm doing wrong with liboss |
| 17:23.24 | meus | libosso |
| 17:23.26 | zetheroo | Audio Codec: MPEG-4 AAC audio |
| 17:23.31 | meus | or if i need to use dbus |
| 17:23.39 | meus | (python-dbus) |
| 17:23.45 | lcuk | zetheroo, reboto your nit, something might have screwed up with mp3? |
| 17:23.53 | lcuk | reboot even |
| 17:24.16 | zetheroo | ;-) |
| 17:24.50 | lcuk | morgon freeman is in hospital :O |
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| 17:25.01 | meus | somebody know something about this topic? |
| 17:25.16 | zetheroo | ok mplayer is not at all playing this file... the sound is all scambled and the picture moves once every 10 seconds |
| 17:26.53 | zetheroo | any ideas? |
| 17:27.49 | lcuk | try it on desktop |
| 17:27.56 | meus | zetheroo: is mplayer working fine with another kind of videos? |
| 17:28.12 | zetheroo | try the video on a computer? |
| 17:28.23 | zetheroo | I have .. it works perfectly |
| 17:28.32 | zap | very strange |
| 17:29.12 | zap | looks as if your video uses a very high bitrate |
| 17:29.16 | zap | too high for 320x240 |
| 17:29.41 | zap | what size (MB) and what length (hours/minutes) is it? |
| 17:29.50 | meus | zetheroo: is mplayer playing the audio fine? |
| 17:30.30 | zetheroo | the file is 1 hour and 14 min |
| 17:30.40 | zetheroo | 280 MB |
| 17:31.08 | zetheroo | Audio Bitrate: 128 kbps |
| 17:31.22 | zetheroo | VLC plays it perfectly in Ubuntu |
| 17:31.57 | zetheroo | Totem does not play it though |
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| 17:32.38 | zap | looks fine |
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| 17:33.33 | zap | 300kbit video, 128kbit audio |
| 17:33.40 | zap | pretty easy to decode |
| 17:33.55 | zetheroo | :) |
| 17:34.16 | zap | can you split a small piece of it so that I can download and see it? |
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| 17:34.29 | zap | with avidemux2 for example |
| 17:34.34 | azut | hello |
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| 17:34.35 | zetheroo | how would I do that? |
| 17:35.00 | zap | install avidemux2 (apt-get install avidemux2) then open the video in it, set start and end point, select "copy" mode and save |
| 17:35.28 | zap | something like a 1Mb piece would be fine |
| 17:35.37 | zetheroo | I have avidmux ... its what I used to convert this video |
| 17:35.44 | zap | ok |
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| 17:36.12 | zap | You may want to try this converter: http://developer.berlios.de/project/showfiles.php?group_id=9512 |
| 17:38.10 | zetheroo | ok I have a 3.6 mb file |
| 17:38.19 | zetheroo | how can I send it to you? |
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| 17:38.48 | zap | just like that :) |
| 17:38.54 | RST38h | arm.com! |
| 17:38.54 | zetheroo | cool |
| 17:39.11 | crashanddie | dl.free.fr |
| 17:39.17 | RST38h | let us catch and torture him in our underground chamber! |
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| 17:42.57 | ap31r0n | anyone that can help with python, dbus and/or libosso? |
| 17:43.13 | RST38h | epends |
| 17:43.19 | RST38h | depends. ask. |
| 17:43.42 | zap | ok lets see it... |
| 17:44.11 | ap31r0n | ok, i wanna load hildondesktop plugins |
| 17:44.26 | ap31r0n | without using the plugins loader of maemo |
| 17:44.58 | ap31r0n | and i don't know what i'm doing wrong with libosso |
| 17:45.48 | ap31r0n | (those are python plugins and the example i took of the loader is the one into the python-maemo web) |
| 17:46.05 | ap31r0n | so i create the osso.Context |
| 17:46.19 | ap31r0n | and the osso.Plugin |
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| 17:46.39 | ap31r0n | but the osso.plugin_execute doesn't work |
| 17:47.45 | ap31r0n | i cannot execute it inside scratchbox or inside the device (N800 + Maemo Diablo) |
| 17:48.05 | zap | zetheroo: okay, here's my diagnosøû |
| 17:48.09 | zap | *diagnosis |
| 17:48.21 | zetheroo | zap: ok |
| 17:48.23 | zap | zetheroo: the AVI index is somewhat broken (?) |
| 17:48.35 | zap | zetheroo: try playing from command line with the -forceidx switch |
| 17:48.51 | zap | then it plays fine and the CPU load is around 30% |
| 17:49.19 | zetheroo | this seems a bit over my head |
| 17:49.42 | zap | okay, step-by-step: 1. open a terminal (know how to do it)? |
| 17:49.53 | zetheroo | open |
| 17:50.09 | zap | now enter: mplayer /media/mmc1/*.avi |
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| 17:50.17 | zap | (provided your avi file is in /media/mmc1) |
| 17:50.42 | zetheroo | do I need to be doing this in the N800 or on the computer? |
| 17:50.47 | zap | on N800 |
| 17:50.50 | zap | ugh |
| 17:50.54 | zap | n800! :) |
| 17:50.56 | zetheroo | oh ha |
| 17:51.02 | zap | okay, it has a screen keyboard anyway :) |
| 17:51.15 | zap | a bit easier on n810 but never mind |
| 17:51.28 | zetheroo | ok so the terminal is open |
| 17:51.34 | zap | and? |
| 17:51.50 | RST38h | Anybody good at drawing icons? |
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| 17:52.04 | zap | RST38h: borrow without shame from /usr/share/icons |
| 17:52.12 | zap | (if your program is GPLd, that is) |
| 17:52.22 | JZA | hi is there a developer here? i want to have a very basic app for my n800 |
| 17:52.23 | lcuk | they are cc i believe |
| 17:52.26 | RST38h | zap: It is not |
| 17:52.38 | RST38h | zap: And I can't find the right icons anyway |
| 17:52.38 | JZA | basically a dialg and 2 buttons, one to insert text, the other to send an the other to quit |
| 17:52.48 | JZA | is there like a template of gui that I can just connect. |
| 17:53.02 | RST38h | zap: So looking for someone to draw three svg icons |
| 17:53.03 | JZA | I got a simple bashscript "oneliner" that I want to put a gui on it. |
| 17:53.45 | zap | zetheroo: how its going? |
| 17:54.09 | zetheroo | still trying to enter the proper command |
| 17:54.13 | zetheroo | :) |
| 17:54.16 | zap | :) |
| 17:54.23 | lcuk | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/s/sdk-default-icons/ |
| 17:54.37 | zap | 'free' as in 'GPL' :) |
| 17:55.03 | RST38h | Well, if it is LGPL then I do not mind |
| 17:55.07 | RST38h | Full GPL won't do though |
| 17:55.19 | zap | RST38h: you may take a look at the internets, there are sites with absolutely free icons |
| 17:55.33 | RST38h | zap: I already looked, really |
| 17:55.38 | zap | sad |
| 17:55.44 | RST38h | And even painted a few icons myself |
| 17:55.57 | RST38h | The remaining three are ones I can't figure out on my own =( |
| 17:56.02 | zap | unfortunately I'm not much of a painter :) |
| 17:56.13 | zetheroo | zap: ok I did it and its opened like before... garbled sound and jumpy video |
| 17:56.43 | zap | zetheroo: okay, now press the Up arrow (to open the old command again) and add -forceidx to the end of command (after a space) |
| 17:56.53 | lcuk | zetheroo, watch it on your big one and put it out of your mind for a while - you could have seen it all by now |
| 17:57.27 | zetheroo | lcuk: you don't understand ... I am doing this becasue I will need to take video with me on a trip... on this unit |
| 17:57.38 | zetheroo | zap: ok one sec |
| 17:57.38 | zap | zetheroo: but in any case, I would recommend to use my program that I pointed above - it will easily generate video that is playable on N8x0 |
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| 17:59.10 | RST38h | lcuk: The ones in the archive are nice |
| 17:59.13 | zetheroo | zap: still the same with the -forceidx at the back of the command |
| 17:59.15 | RST38h | No match though. |
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| 17:59.41 | zap | zetheroo: strange, although I tried with -forceidx right after 'mplayer' |
| 17:59.46 | RST38h | has to show a SEGA console, a ColecoVision console, and a GameBoy Advance |
| 17:59.49 | zap | e.g. mplayer -forceidx /media/mmc1/*.avi |
| 17:59.57 | zetheroo | zap: oh ok |
| 18:00.00 | zap | not sure if it matters, I'll try again with -forceidx at the end |
| 18:00.27 | zap | hmm no, it works at the end too |
| 18:00.43 | zap | zetheroo: okay, then you may fix the index on your PC |
| 18:01.02 | lcuk | RST38h, just cheat and write the words in an icon - it will suffice for v1 wont it? |
| 18:01.13 | zetheroo | zap: one thing though ... the file on the PDA ends with .mpeg not .avi |
| 18:01.29 | zap | is it mpeg4? |
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| 18:01.39 | zap | oh |
| 18:01.51 | zap | looks like you embedded a MPEG4 stream into a .mpeg file |
| 18:02.01 | zap | don't do that, its pretty non-standard |
| 18:02.22 | lcuk | zetheroo, have you tried running it through one of the media converters? |
| 18:02.28 | zetheroo | zap: when I just copied the file to the SD card the N800 could not open it at all becasue it said it did not have a program to open it with.... so I renamed it to .mpeg |
| 18:02.45 | zap | so it's an AVI container really? |
| 18:02.47 | RST38h | lcuk: It won't =( |
| 18:02.48 | ap31r0n | wow |
| 18:02.49 | lcuk | either the nokia one or the one zap said |
| 18:03.02 | RST38h | wants correct icons not just some icons - those he can draw himself |
| 18:03.19 | lcuk | :( RST38h then do a quick GIS for the keywords and make an icon from the preview bitmaps |
| 18:03.52 | zap | zetheroo: try this on your PC: mencoder -forceidx -oac copy -ovc copy myfile.avi -o myfile-fixed.avi |
| 18:04.02 | zap | then copy myfile-fixed.avi to N8x0 and try playing it |
| 18:04.45 | zap | this worked for the clip you sent me |
| 18:04.50 | RST38h | lcuk: need 3 icons for Maemo alone + 88x88 .SVG icon for S60 + some icons for UIQ + of course a windows icon |
| 18:04.55 | RST38h | lcuk: So it has to be in SVG |
| 18:05.50 | runehol | hi, I have a N810 and I'm trying to make the CPU go as fast as possible |
| 18:06.02 | zap | zetheroo: and plays even with the stock media player |
| 18:06.18 | runehol | I've borrowed some cpufreq sysctls from http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17666&page=8 , although they didn't have much effect on my test case |
| 18:06.28 | runehol | are there any othe tricks I should use? |
| 18:06.53 | zap | N810 uses a overclocked CPU anyways |
| 18:07.16 | zap | the normal running speed for OMAP2420 is 330MHz and on N810 it's clocked at 400 |
| 18:07.27 | runehol | (I don't care about battery life) |
| 18:07.36 | zap | and about frying your CPU? :) |
| 18:07.44 | runehol | yeah, I care a little about that :) |
| 18:08.02 | zap | there's a temperature sensor in the chip though |
| 18:08.04 | runehol | but just for short-time testing, it shouldn't matter too much |
| 18:08.36 | zap | well I guess you will want to look at the kernel sources |
| 18:08.45 | zap | there should be the code to clock the CPU |
| 18:08.53 | Luria | i thought the 2420 speed is supposed to be set by vendor from something like ~100mhz - 1ghz |
| 18:08.55 | zap | you will want to patch it :) |
| 18:09.22 | runehol | really? so changing the cpufreq configuration isn't enough? |
| 18:09.22 | zap | Luria: well, on Texas Instruments OMAP2420 page it says the speed is 330Mhz |
| 18:09.40 | zap | runehol: cpufreq module exposes only four speeds, and the max is 400 |
| 18:09.50 | runehol | ah |
| 18:09.50 | zap | if you want more, you will have to modify the cpufreq driver |
| 18:09.54 | runehol | well, 400 should be fine |
| 18:10.02 | zap | it's at 400 already |
| 18:10.13 | runehol | the strange thing is that changing the cpufreq configuration didn't seem to have any effect at all |
| 18:10.13 | zap | (when under load, that is) |
| 18:10.22 | runehol | which let me to believe that I did it incorrectly |
| 18:10.40 | zap | if you see no effect, it means that the speed governor works very well ;) |
| 18:10.42 | runehol | I've basically done the following as root: |
| 18:10.43 | runehol | echo performance > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 18:10.44 | runehol | echo 400000 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_min_freq |
| 18:11.10 | johnx | in a constant load situation ondemand should be fine |
| 18:11.16 | runehol | yeah, I suppose that might be it. I could try setting the max scaling frequency and see if performance goes down |
| 18:11.28 | johnx | it's when the load dips down then comes back up often that it doesn't cope all that well... |
| 18:11.53 | zap | [root@tota|/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/stats]cat time_in_state |
| 18:11.53 | zap | 165000 33111704 |
| 18:11.53 | zap | 266000 26890 |
| 18:11.53 | zap | 330000 346603 |
| 18:11.54 | zap | 400000 5343148 |
| 18:12.00 | zap | runehol: try the above |
| 18:12.09 | zap | you'll see how much time it spends at every frequence |
| 18:12.11 | Luria | 330 to 1ghz |
| 18:12.13 | runehol | yeah, I saw the 400000 stats increase after having pegged it |
| 18:12.42 | Luria | thats it; ~120 (iirc) is power save idle |
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| 18:13.27 | Luria | note, this does not mean the n8x0 can safely do this given the cooling issues with its form factor |
| 18:13.50 | zap | thats why you'll want a plugin that shows CPU temperature |
| 18:13.59 | zap | and unfortunately, I don't know about one |
| 18:14.14 | johnx | there's a little temp monitor app |
| 18:14.15 | runehol | okay, and the speed of my test case goes down when setting scaling_max_freq to 165 MHz |
| 18:14.23 | runehol | so basically, cpufreq does great out of the box |
| 18:14.25 | johnx | don't know if it pulls from the CPU or another internal sensor... |
| 18:14.27 | runehol | thanks for the help |
| 18:15.19 | zap | johnx: it's some device on the i2c-1 bus |
| 18:15.25 | zap | dunno where's that physically |
| 18:15.39 | zap | tmp105 |
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| 18:15.51 | johnx | the temp monitor I'm thinking of is at nitapps.com |
| 18:16.59 | zap | yes I've seen it, but it's a command-line app iirc |
| 18:17.12 | Luria | oh, i like nitapps. |
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| 18:17.24 | Luria | i just realized i have the repo... |
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| 18:17.34 | liri | the diablo image to reflash the n810 is 128mb big? |
| 18:17.53 | Luria | there about |
| 18:18.23 | liri | yicks |
| 18:18.48 | Luria | ... 129103249 2008-07-30 15:58 RX-44_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 18:19.07 | Luria | need an md5sum? :-) |
| 18:19.44 | hendry | jott: thanks btw |
| 18:19.50 | lcuk | runehol, simplest cpu switching is just to change the ummmm gimme a minute |
| 18:20.03 | Luria | (speaking of, i had an infinite reboot on my first flash. i dont know if it was because i used the static flasher or had a corrupted d/l, so i changed both |
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| 18:20.42 | zap | zetheroo: any success? |
| 18:20.43 | lcuk | runehol, are you trying to set the speed from console, or something within your app |
| 18:22.50 | lcuk | and finally, runehol changing the scaling_governor is best way to work, you can choose things like powersave to always stay slow, or performance to always run fastest (400). the default governor (ondemand) does what it says on the tin, but does not scale equally so your app speeds up and slows down - it throws off all sorts of timings |
| 18:23.02 | liri | I'm on Windows already so I'll use Nokia's software to reflash it |
| 18:23.04 | liri | does it provide checksum? |
| 18:23.22 | Luria | dunno, havent used it in months |
| 18:23.30 | Luria | im sure it will be fine |
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| 18:23.48 | runehol | lcuk: I've just set it from xterm |
| 18:23.51 | liri | heh ok |
| 18:24.25 | runehol | I can see som jittering in the timing with the default governor |
| 18:24.32 | Macor | that sucks |
| 18:24.42 | runehol | so I should probably whip up some scripts to set the governor when I need it |
| 18:24.43 | Luria | b'hatzlacha |
| 18:24.53 | Macor | i fell asleep while nit-debian was installing and there was some keymap thing that i was supposed to go through |
| 18:25.03 | lcuk | runehol, fair enough :) when i was writing the code for liqbase i went through similar - but very substantial jitter. |
| 18:25.03 | Macor | so it just sat there :) |
| 18:26.04 | lcuk | i used to use a script from scratchbox which would echo the performance setting in, copy my app over, execute it and then knock the cpu back down after finishing |
| 18:26.17 | Stskeeps | Macor, yeah, so it goes >P |
| 18:27.01 | Macor | haha |
| 18:27.10 | lcuk | runehol, http://de.pastebin.ca/986570 was what i used for ages |
| 18:27.20 | Macor | how crappy :) now i have to wait for it to unpack a ton of pkgs |
| 18:27.25 | lcuk | now i dont bother and run in performance all the time im plugged in |
| 18:27.30 | Macor | i was hoping it would be done and i could boot it by now |
| 18:27.45 | Italodance | wow 3G Modem drivers is coming to maemo :D iphone will be loser again |
| 18:27.53 | Italodance | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/modem/ |
| 18:28.00 | Macor | 3G modem drivers? |
| 18:28.01 | runehol | lcuk: thanks |
| 18:28.26 | Macor | er. i've been using my 3G phone with it since i bought it :) |
| 18:28.46 | lcuk | macor, whats the iphone like for writing on? |
| 18:29.04 | Kegetys | for usb modems maybe? |
| 18:29.06 | Macor | i don't know. i don't have an iphone. i was talking about on my n800 |
| 18:29.11 | Italodance | Macor what's ur phone? |
| 18:29.13 | lcuk | :D |
| 18:29.23 | Macor | n95 |
| 18:29.38 | Italodance | no i am talking about |
| 18:29.40 | Luria | why cant nokia make 3/4 band hsdpa phones |
| 18:29.41 | Italodance | OY |
| 18:29.42 | Italodance | IY |
| 18:29.44 | Italodance | IT |
| 18:29.45 | Italodance | y |
| 18:30.18 | Italodance | i wish my n800 had gsm for simcart :( |
| 18:30.31 | Macor | er |
| 18:31.11 | Italodance | IT Could Won The World And Iphone Will Hide |
| 18:31.25 | Italodance | lol Hulk.R5.XviD-PUKKA |
| 18:31.49 | Italodance | Iron.Man.R5.XviD-BaLD |
| 18:31.51 | Italodance | lol |
| 18:32.32 | johnx | RST38h, is there some trick to disabling the sound in vgba? |
| 18:33.42 | Macor | Unpacking oss-wireless-module (from .../oss-wireless-module-1.2-1.deb) ... |
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| 18:34.05 | Macor | what kind of wifi does an n800 use? |
| 18:34.33 | johnx | cx3110x |
| 18:34.46 | Italodance | Macor download wifi info app! |
| 18:35.11 | Italodance | how are ya johnx? |
| 18:35.19 | johnx | pretty good |
| 18:35.35 | johnx | but also tired |
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| 18:35.44 | Italodance | any news for carman? |
| 18:35.46 | Macor | no. installing debian on my n800 |
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| 18:37.11 | Italodance | Macor http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/wifiinfo/ |
| 18:37.16 | Italodance | Batman.The.Dark.Knight.720p.BluRay.x264-SEPTiC fake or no? |
| 18:37.41 | johnx | Italodance, this isn't a warez channel :/ |
| 18:37.51 | Italodance | hehe y |
| 18:37.56 | Macor | does this look like #l33thax0ingw4r3z? |
| 18:38.46 | lcuk | macor thats false advertising dude |
| 18:39.06 | ap31r0n | somebody know how can i load hildondesktop home applets out of the maemo plugin loader(python or c)? |
| 18:42.50 | lcuk | ap31r0n, you will have to build yourself something which gives the desktop framework without the desktop being there. why do you want to unhook the applets ? |
| 18:44.51 | ap31r0n | well, actually i'm developing some tools |
| 18:45.02 | ap31r0n | and i want to load or unload some applets |
| 18:45.06 | ap31r0n | from the main app |
| 18:45.21 | ap31r0n | depending on the use |
| 18:46.29 | lcuk | so you want your own applet framework? |
| 18:46.54 | lcuk | cos wont your app have different features than the hildon desktop |
| 18:47.15 | ap31r0n | uhm |
| 18:47.26 | ap31r0n | not different features |
| 18:48.01 | ap31r0n | i can load them from the applet loader |
| 18:48.42 | ap31r0n | the thing is that i'm changing the applets frequently |
| 18:48.55 | lcuk | so you are writing a new control panel doofer to control the existing applets, or you have your own window and you want to host applets within it |
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| 18:49.31 | ap31r0n | well, it's like the first thing |
| 18:49.40 | ap31r0n | i've an app |
| 18:49.48 | ap31r0n | and i want to load some applets son the Home |
| 18:49.55 | ap31r0n | (on the home) |
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| 18:50.11 | ap31r0n | for example |
| 18:50.37 | ap31r0n | i have and editor and i want to load a "post it" with some notes like an applet |
| 18:50.44 | ap31r0n | from my app |
| 18:50.49 | nano- | What video format is best suited for the n810? |
| 18:50.51 | ap31r0n | or unload the old post-it |
| 18:51.01 | zetheroo | zap: I have downloaded and installed that other app you told me of .... just wondering how long it takes for a video to convert? |
| 18:51.11 | nano- | Which one uses the least cpu? |
| 18:51.15 | GAN800 | nano- xvid with mp3 |
| 18:51.27 | nano- | check |
| 18:51.34 | GAN800 | Easy way to do it is to grab a copy og tablet-encode or ITVC |
| 18:51.47 | GAN800 | make sure it's 44.1 or lower. |
| 18:52.06 | GAN800 | There's a media encoding article at wiki.maemo.org |
| 18:52.24 | GAN800 | Search for it, it'll tell you what you need to know. |
| 18:52.33 | nano- | nice.thanks. |
| 18:53.06 | ap31r0n | ?? |
| 18:53.19 | zetheroo | zap: you still here? |
| 18:53.22 | lcuk | ap31r0n, each applet on the desktop needs to have a .desktop file - wont that become unmanagable pretty soon requiring multiple .desktop files for each postit (whether shown or not?) |
| 18:53.37 | zetheroo | anyone else know how to use TinyAVI? |
| 18:53.53 | ap31r0n | lcuk: uhm... i see |
| 18:54.04 | zap | zetheroo: yes |
| 18:54.13 | zap | zetheroo: whats the problem with it? |
| 18:54.31 | zetheroo | zap: well it just seems to take much longer than Avidmux |
| 18:54.34 | ap31r0n | lcuk: well, that's not my problem |
| 18:54.45 | ap31r0n | lcuk: i only need one applet for managing that applet |
| 18:54.52 | ap31r0n | that notes |
| 18:54.52 | zap | zetheroo: how much? For me it's about 20-30 minutes |
| 18:55.08 | GAN800 | ~tablet-encode |
| 18:55.27 | zetheroo | zap: well its at 2 percent .... its been about 5 min |
| 18:55.35 | zetheroo | is that normal? |
| 18:55.42 | zap | what CPU do you have? |
| 18:55.43 | GAN800 | ~tablet-encode is http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/ Jaffa's media encoding suite. |
| 18:55.44 | infobot | GAN800: okay |
| 18:55.53 | ap31r0n | lcuk: the thing is that i want to control it from my app without copying it on the /usr/lib/hildon-desktop and /usr/share/applications/hildon-home ... |
| 18:56.39 | Macor | or hildon at all :) |
| 18:56.41 | Macor | heh |
| 18:56.44 | zetheroo | zap: its a Duo Core 2.0 GHZ |
| 18:56.59 | GAN800 | Desktop applets aren't really meant to be loaded and unloaded dynamically all the time. |
| 18:57.00 | zetheroo | zap: it just seemed that Avidmux was alot faster ... |
| 18:57.09 | lcuk | im not sure if its possible |
| 18:57.12 | zetheroo | zap: did a whole movie in about 25 min |
| 18:57.26 | zap | zetheroo: thats what I have on Core Duo 2/2.4Ghz |
| 18:57.27 | GAN800 | Maybe not two-pads |
| 18:57.37 | GAN800 | s/pads/pass/ |
| 18:57.53 | zap | zetheroo: have you used two-pass encoding in avidemux? |
| 18:58.17 | zetheroo | zap: not sure ... I did not manually change any settings |
| 18:58.23 | GAN800 | tablet-encode is the way to go. ;) |
| 18:58.39 | ap31r0n | lcuk: anyway, do you think that i can load and unload one applet from my app without touching the applet loader? |
| 18:58.48 | zap | GAN800: have you tried my program, or it's just out of your head? |
| 18:59.05 | zap | GAN800: or you did any comparison? |
| 18:59.06 | lcuk | ap31r0n, ive just been looking, ive not found anything myself yet |
| 19:00.42 | ap31r0n | ok |
| 19:00.53 | GAN800 | zap, something tablet-specific. I like and use tablet-encode. It's been around for a long time. |
| 19:00.57 | zap | zetheroo: what settings you were using, I'll try now |
| 19:01.08 | zap | GAN800: my prog is also tablet specific, so? |
| 19:02.06 | Macor | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 19:02.08 | zap | zetheroo: what settings are you using, I'll try it here |
| 19:02.11 | Macor | son of a bitch! |
| 19:02.36 | Macor | Chroot command failed: ['chroot', '/mnt/nit-debian', 'apt-get', 'install', '-y', '--force-yes', 'nit-env-stskeeps'] |
| 19:02.37 | zap | zetheroo: encoding a 1.4Gb file with N8xx/mplayer medium quality settings? |
| 19:03.14 | zetheroo | zap: encoding a 700MB file with medium quality and size |
| 19:03.19 | Stskeeps | Macor: could you put the whole screen on rafb.net/paste ? |
| 19:03.19 | zap | ok |
| 19:03.32 | Macor | Stskeeps - sure |
| 19:03.52 | Stskeeps | Macor: as i'll be able to figure out what goes on then :P |
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| 19:04.01 | zetheroo | zap: Mplaer angine - best |
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| 19:04.24 | zap | zetheroo: by the way, you can encode two videos at once |
| 19:04.34 | zap | zetheroo: tinyavi will detect and use 2 cores if you have them |
| 19:04.44 | zetheroo | zap: oh ok |
| 19:04.51 | vandenoever | i'd like to compile a pure qt program for maemo diablo, what's the easiest way to do this? |
| 19:04.51 | Macor | Stskeeps - http://rafb.net/p/vIRRc013.html |
| 19:04.58 | Macor | it seems to be from the keymap |
| 19:05.56 | Macor | chrooting and installing nit-env-stskeeps seems to work fine |
| 19:06.03 | Stskeeps | that's odd though |
| 19:06.04 | GAN800 | zap, what advantage does your program offer over 'one more option'? |
| 19:06.17 | Macor | no wait..... |
| 19:06.21 | zap | GAN800: try and see |
| 19:06.39 | zap | and compare result size/quality |
| 19:06.43 | GAN800 | Sorry, don't have the time or equipment for that right now. |
| 19:06.46 | zetheroo | zap: I ma at 21 percent now |
| 19:06.47 | Macor | no it doesn't... it's nit-env-stskeeps |
| 19:06.52 | Macor | i'll paste the error |
| 19:07.05 | zap | zetheroo: I'm at 5% and I started a couple minutes ago |
| 19:07.12 | GAN800 | tablet-encode is just a mencoder front-end, it can be configured to do whatever. |
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| 19:07.23 | zap | GAN800: sure, so is tiny-avi |
| 19:07.31 | GAN800 | Slightly different default settings aren't an advantage. |
| 19:07.48 | Stskeeps | Macor: thanks in advantage, i don't have to rerun install myself then :P |
| 19:07.55 | GAN800 | Why the need for two basically identical projects? |
| 19:08.20 | zap | GAN800: they aren't identical |
| 19:08.30 | GAN800 | basically |
| 19:08.30 | Macor | Stskeeps - http://rafb.net/p/lptJfT61.html |
| 19:08.37 | Macor | so do i just re-run? |
| 19:08.45 | Macor | that would suck :) |
| 19:08.48 | lcuk | GAN800, why the need for 20000000000 basically the same media players? |
| 19:08.52 | GAN800 | Two mencoder front-ends, why not patch tablet-encode instead? |
| 19:08.56 | Macor | you wouldn't happen to know why it messed up would you? |
| 19:09.04 | GAN800 | lcuk, they aren't the same |
| 19:09.14 | zap | GAN800: because I would have to rewrite it almost 100% |
| 19:09.17 | lcuk | select file, play music/video |
| 19:09.17 | GAN800 | Significantly different interfaces. |
| 19:09.27 | GAN800 | lcuk, oversimplified. |
| 19:09.29 | Macor | i'll try to boot it and see what happens... if it doesn't boot i'll go ahead and re-run the installer and see how it goes |
| 19:09.36 | Macor | that's really odd tho |
| 19:09.37 | zap | GUI = 66% of the code |
| 19:09.43 | zetheroo | zap: I wish tinyAVI would use both cores for one file... |
| 19:10.00 | zap | zetheroo: actually it can, but I haven't enabled this |
| 19:10.01 | GAN800 | Finger/stylus, feature-rich, lightweight. |
| 19:10.25 | Stskeeps | Macor: no, you're quite close so :P |
| 19:10.31 | Stskeeps | Macor: give me some minutes to track down a debian change |
| 19:10.52 | zetheroo | zap: can I enable it? |
| 19:10.53 | zap | zetheroo: its more effective to encode two videos at once than one video in two threads |
| 19:10.58 | zetheroo | ok |
| 19:11.26 | Macor | Stskeeps - ok... well if you know a way i can fix it from there by hand before rebooting |
| 19:11.32 | zap | zetheroo: its easy to enable that, but it depends what you will do more often |
| 19:11.39 | Macor | i mean it just died on me for the x keymapping :) |
| 19:12.30 | GAN800 | Anyway, zap, changing for the sake of changing doesn't work for me. |
| 19:12.52 | zap | GAN800: you see, I wrote tinyavi about a year ago |
| 19:13.04 | Stskeeps | Macor: well the apt-get is last step before mv /sbin/start-stop-daemon /sbin/start-stop-daemon.FAKE; mv /sbin/start-stop-daemon.REAL /sbin/start-stop-daemon |
| 19:13.26 | Macor | but the apt-get dpkg is failing for that last pkg |
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| 19:13.57 | Macor | nit-env-stskeeps won't install |
| 19:14.06 | lcuk | whats the error |
| 19:14.14 | zap | zetheroo: indeed, the last version is much slower than previous. Thats because I concentrated on highest quality :( |
| 19:14.30 | Macor | i pasted it |
| 19:14.32 | zap | zetheroo: do you think it makes sense to drop quality in favour of encoding time, or make that selectable? |
| 19:14.38 | Macor | http://rafb.net/p/lptJfT61.html |
| 19:14.46 | hendry | on my user terminal, `su` report applet requires root privileges! how do i get around this?: |
| 19:15.03 | Stskeeps | Macor: yeah, cos it relies on a wide range of packages :) it's not a package with files, it's a metapackage, tells apt what to get |
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| 19:15.32 | Macor | well.. let me see which pkg it actually failed on |
| 19:15.49 | zetheroo | zap: I need to get as many videos as I can on a 4 GB SD card .... thats what I am thinking of the most... |
| 19:16.10 | zap | zetheroo: in this case current settings are the best for you |
| 19:16.28 | Macor | Reloading system message bus config...Failed to open connection to system message bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_s |
| 19:16.28 | Macor | ocket: No such file or directory |
| 19:16.28 | lcuk | zetheroo, taking your pron collection on holiday? |
| 19:16.29 | zap | zetheroo: and I would suggest you to put all the videos at once in the queue |
| 19:16.47 | Stskeeps | Macor: yeah, that's the bug i'm looking at cos other people ran in it too |
| 19:16.58 | Macor | hm.... |
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| 19:17.19 | Macor | would the chroot matter for networking settings? |
| 19:17.22 | zap | zetheroo: you can add new files and press "Convert all", that won't affect the running conversion |
| 19:17.38 | Stskeeps | Macor: hm? |
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| 19:17.48 | zetheroo | lcuk: for my 3 year old daughter on a 14 hour flight .. |
| 19:17.50 | Macor | like the resolv.conf is set for the localhost |
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| 19:17.57 | zetheroo | zap: ok ...thanks |
| 19:17.58 | Stskeeps | yeah, that's fine |
| 19:18.02 | lcuk | that would be a firm no then |
| 19:18.04 | Stskeeps | with network manager you get resolvconf |
| 19:18.17 | Stskeeps | Macor: you can apt-get install nit-env-basic and get a basic working installation |
| 19:18.24 | Stskeeps | which you can boot into and ssh |
| 19:18.54 | Macor | i'm trying it now |
| 19:19.16 | ap31r0n | lcuk: did you see something?¿ |
| 19:19.16 | Stskeeps | i'll look into what happens with HAL in the meantime, after a smoke :P |
| 19:19.22 | Macor | nope... same problem |
| 19:19.44 | lcuk | ap31r0n, i didnt unfortunately |
| 19:19.52 | Stskeeps | Macor: same error? that's odd |
| 19:20.00 | ap31r0n | lcuk: ok, thxs anyway |
| 19:20.03 | Stskeeps | brb |
| 19:20.19 | Macor | Can't start Hardware abstraction layer - please ensure dbus is running failed! |
| 19:20.40 | Macor | is there a dbus pkg that needs to be installed? |
| 19:20.50 | Macor | within the chroot? |
| 19:20.50 | lcuk | hal returned: "im sorry Macor, i can't do that" |
| 19:21.34 | Macor | i can start over and try again and see what happens. maybe i missed a step |
| 19:22.14 | Macor | but hal is where it screws up... it tries to install hal then gnome-mount... network-manager.. etc |
| 19:22.40 | Stskeeps | yeah, i agree |
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| 19:23.21 | Stskeeps | lemme just boot up my debian |
| 19:24.07 | Macor | it's either hal or dbus that's causing it |
| 19:24.16 | liri | congrads to me again, now on diablo |
| 19:26.17 | terbo | :) |
| 19:28.58 | Macor | it has to be dbus |
| 19:29.12 | Macor | dbus won't create a socket file |
| 19:30.08 | Stskeeps | it shouldn't, either |
| 19:30.14 | Stskeeps | it shouldn't try to start or reload it while installing |
| 19:30.34 | Macor | ok well. i'll start from scratch and be careful with what i choose |
| 19:30.43 | Macor | and see what happens. maybe there is some minute step i missed |
| 19:31.55 | liri | what about repos now after I upgraded to diablo? |
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| 19:32.38 | Stskeeps | Macor: you said it failed before this? |
| 19:32.49 | Stskeeps | as in, before the first apt-get error? |
| 19:32.52 | Macor | it got up to the apt-get for hal and gave me those errors |
| 19:32.55 | Stskeeps | ok |
| 19:33.01 | Macor | i didn't receive any other errors before that |
| 19:33.12 | Stskeeps | you don't have to reinstall, just give me a couple of seconds :) |
| 19:33.16 | Macor | i'm going to try again from scratch and see what happens. i'll also pick a different mirror |
| 19:33.34 | Macor | i already reboot it :)... i guess i can mount and chroot again if you know how to fix it |
| 19:33.36 | Stskeeps | ah, okay |
| 19:33.43 | Stskeeps | yeah, i have a good idea |
| 19:33.48 | Macor | ok.. sec |
| 19:34.49 | Macor | ah crap |
| 19:35.00 | camden | later folks. |
| 19:36.11 | Macor | gr |
| 19:36.19 | Macor | i don't have a damn ext2/3 module loaded |
| 19:36.28 | Macor | wtf... that should be something that starts by default :) |
| 19:36.35 | Stskeeps | tell the maemo people that :P |
| 19:37.26 | Macor | where the hell does maemo keep its modules? |
| 19:37.37 | Stskeeps | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:37.46 | Stskeeps | you need to load mbcache and ext2 |
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| 19:38.26 | Macor | insmod: cannot insert 'ext3.ko': Unknown symbol in module (-1): No such file or directory |
| 19:38.33 | Macor | that's gay :) i'll just mount it as ext2 |
| 19:39.03 | Macor | wtf |
| 19:39.29 | Macor | mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p2 on nit-debian/ failed |
| 19:40.10 | Stskeeps | you need jbd.ko or something for ext3 |
| 19:41.54 | Macor | awesome |
| 19:41.58 | Macor | remind me to autoload those |
| 19:42.08 | Macor | wtf :) it's linux.. they should autoload by default |
| 19:42.38 | Macor | ok.. i'm chrooted now.. any idea how to fix? |
| 19:43.33 | Macor | well.. that was different |
| 19:45.05 | Macor | http://rafb.net/p/77OH2l63.html |
| 19:45.05 | Macor | i have unset local settings |
| 19:45.05 | Macor | locale |
| 19:45.12 | liri | is there no point in configuring diablo repos/extras? |
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| 19:46.02 | Macor | ok.. i really must have missed something during the install Stskeeps ... i'm going to just start from scratch and see what happens |
| 19:46.06 | Stskeeps | Macor: no, wait :P |
| 19:46.09 | Stskeeps | got the solution now |
| 19:46.12 | Macor | oh |
| 19:46.27 | Stskeeps | svn up in installer directory |
| 19:46.41 | Stskeeps | run ./postdebootstrap /mnt/nit-debian (if you have it mounted there) |
| 19:46.56 | Macor | outside chroot? |
| 19:47.00 | Stskeeps | yes |
| 19:47.47 | Macor | Connecting to trac.tspre.org|84.238.10.195|:80... |
| 19:48.27 | Stskeeps | should darn well be up :P |
| 19:48.43 | Macor | that looks kinda ugly :) |
| 19:49.24 | Macor | http://rafb.net/p/M9JOCX69.html |
| 19:49.46 | Macor | what's with all that other stuff.. likt it's trying to chroot to /mnt/nit-debian on its own |
| 19:50.21 | Stskeeps | ofcourse it does |
| 19:50.37 | Stskeeps | and it succeeds, too |
| 19:50.45 | Stskeeps | it needs to chroot in like everyone else to install packages |
| 19:50.56 | Macor | i see |
| 19:51.11 | Macor | it just looks... :) brutish |
| 19:51.20 | Stskeeps | http://trac.tspre.org/projects/nit-debian/wiki/InstallationProcess |
| 19:51.24 | Macor | ok.. well.. this looks like it's going to take a minute |
| 19:51.40 | Stskeeps | yeah, coffee is okay, but not going for a movie |
| 19:51.40 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:51.58 | Macor | that's what i was going off of |
| 19:52.12 | Stskeeps | Macor: installers are brutish .. and since it's alpha software right now, it has to be verbose and show what's going on :) |
| 19:52.36 | Macor | same error ;) |
| 19:53.26 | Stskeeps | eh |
| 19:53.33 | liri | what are the chinook repositories info? maemo.org seems to be outdated, listing only os 2007 repos |
| 19:53.41 | Macor | http://rafb.net/p/MEqEE525.html |
| 19:54.17 | Macor | seems to go ok until it gets to nit-env-stskeeps then gives me locale errors and then just stops installing :) |
| 19:54.49 | Stskeeps | yeah, .. it's a debian error it seems like |
| 19:54.54 | Stskeeps | i'm trying to see if i can do anything better |
| 19:55.06 | Macor | this installer has worked for others before? |
| 19:55.27 | timely | liri: http://mxr.maemo.org/chinook/source/chinook.sources.list |
| 19:55.57 | Stskeeps | Macor: yeah - including myself |
| 19:56.08 | Macor | it it has worked for other people then i think it would be best for me to just start from scratch and try again just to make sure i don't miss steps |
| 19:56.21 | Macor | i probably rolled onto the keyboard while it was installing and i was asleep or something |
| 19:56.23 | Stskeeps | Macor: nah, it won't help :P |
| 19:56.35 | Stskeeps | cos other people ran into the same problem |
| 19:56.40 | Stskeeps | just noone posted error logs :) |
| 19:56.55 | Macor | well.. right now it is a final option .. it could very well be a problem with the mirror i'm using.. maybe they have a screwed up deb |
| 19:57.23 | Macor | there could be quite a few variables why it isn't working.. maybe i have the chinese knockoff n800 that is missing a cpu instruction |
| 19:57.40 | Macor | but i'll try that first and if it doesn't work then i'll keep pasting the error msgs i get to help you dev it |
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| 19:58.47 | Stskeeps | well, give me 3-4 minutes to write something and commit it, that would definately help :P |
| 20:00.40 | Macor | sure |
| 20:00.45 | Macor | sorry. was grabbing some food |
| 20:00.48 | Macor | just tell me when you're ready |
| 20:01.40 | liri | timely: I upgraded to diablo. I'm guessing only chinook repos is available now? |
| 20:01.48 | timely | ? |
| 20:02.40 | Stskeeps | Macor: svn up; LC_ALL=C ./postdebootstrap /mnt/nit-debian |
| 20:02.40 | timely | s{"maemo-logo.png"}{"/maemo-logo.png"}g' |
| 20:02.42 | timely | eep |
| 20:02.45 | timely | http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/diablo.sources.list |
| 20:02.57 | Stskeeps | Macor: er, do sh refresh-base /mnt/nit-debian first |
| 20:02.57 | Macor | k |
| 20:03.05 | Stskeeps | just so we have a clean slate |
| 20:03.14 | timely | liri: depending on what you're actually doing |
| 20:03.20 | timely | there are definitely diablo repos |
| 20:03.23 | Stskeeps | Macor: ignore the last part :P |
| 20:03.28 | timely | although the ones there ^^ are for developers not devices |
| 20:03.28 | Stskeeps | (the refresh-base stuff) |
| 20:03.55 | Macor | Cptnodegard: cannot stat '../nit-base-packages': No such file or directory |
| 20:03.55 | Macor | find: /mnt/nit-debian/nit-base-packages: No such file or directory |
| 20:04.25 | timely | are you guys trying to debootstrap? |
| 20:04.36 | Stskeeps | Macor: yeah, just realized you prolly didnt check out base packages from svn.. lemme guess, /mnt/nit-debian/nit-base-packages is empty? |
| 20:04.37 | Cptnodegard | Macer: why you adressing me? |
| 20:04.59 | Macor | cpt - accident.. was supposed to be cp: |
| 20:05.00 | Stskeeps | timely: debugging post-debootstrap debian installer |
| 20:05.05 | liri | timely: I read that diablo sources have only a small set of applications available |
| 20:05.12 | Cptnodegard | ah |
| 20:05.15 | timely | liri: correct |
| 20:05.32 | timely | sources cover the open source portion of the platform |
| 20:05.47 | Stskeeps | Macor: so is /mnt/nit-debian/nit-base-packages empty? |
| 20:05.52 | timely | (and my cross reference sadly is missing a couple of amusing pieces because it's missing a connecting node) |
| 20:06.04 | liri | timely: right, so where does that leave me? should I have both diablo and chinook repos? or only reone of them? |
| 20:06.18 | timely | chinook shouldn't be any different if you're using source repos |
| 20:06.22 | ryoohki | is the wimax edition out yet?! |
| 20:06.23 | Macor | the dir isn't even there Stskeeps |
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| 20:06.31 | timely | ryoohki: ask sprint? |
| 20:06.57 | ryoohki | timely: um, thanks, i think? :-) |
| 20:07.22 | Stskeeps | Macor: alright.. cd /mnt/nit-debian; svn export http://trac.tspre.org/svn/nit-debian/trunk/nit-base-packages |
| 20:07.26 | Macor | http://rafb.net/p/UmsG5c44.html |
| 20:07.29 | Stskeeps | Macor: and then do the postdebootstrap thing |
| 20:07.32 | Binky | Hi. I am going to reflash but, is it so important to have the battery full? |
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| 20:07.51 | liri | timely: no idea what are source repos or how to enable them. I got the N810 like yesterday and I reflashed to diablo. it now has no repositories configured |
| 20:08.03 | Stskeeps | Macor: okay, my bad again :) i had 3 hours of sleep last night and it's starting to hit me |
| 20:08.27 | Macor | heh |
| 20:08.44 | Macor | it's grabbing the base packages now |
| 20:09.07 | Macor | Exported revision 33. |
| 20:09.11 | Stskeeps | oki, after that svn up in installer directory and do LC_ALL=C ./postdebootstrap /mnt/nit-debian |
| 20:09.40 | timely | err |
| 20:09.52 | timely | if you open application manager, does it really show 0 repositories? |
| 20:10.06 | timely | because um... that's not supposed to happen |
| 20:10.24 | Macor | http://rafb.net/p/PupRxu56.html |
| 20:10.35 | Macor | didn't work Stskeeps |
| 20:11.24 | timely | Macor: wrong ver of python? |
| 20:11.47 | timely | who wrote debian_installer.py? |
| 20:11.47 | Stskeeps | timely: nah, bad coder (me) |
| 20:12.18 | Macor | things take time ;) |
| 20:12.18 | Stskeeps | Macor: svn up in installer directory, it should give you revision 35, and the postdebootstrap line agai |
| 20:12.49 | timely | Stskeeps: i'd argue your filename should be sts_debian_installer.py until it's fairly finalized |
| 20:12.59 | timely | imo you're violating their branding namespace |
| 20:13.22 | Macor | Updated to revision 35. |
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| 20:13.53 | Macor | same command? ... |
| 20:13.55 | Macor | LC_ALL=C ./postdebootstrap /mnt/nit-debian/ |
| 20:13.57 | Stskeeps | yes |
| 20:14.26 | Macor | ok... it's downloading linux-odules now |
| 20:14.32 | Macor | er.. modules too ;) |
| 20:15.03 | Stskeeps | timely: and so does the debian chroot project if we're getting technical. i'm considering just renaming the whole thing to get around this discussion. i do believe source files should have names after their function and not their author |
| 20:15.51 | Stskeeps | and in this case, it's a debian installer, debootstrapping and loading packages on top to make users that want to run debian on their tablets able to properly |
| 20:15.59 | Stskeeps | +be |
| 20:16.18 | timely | Stskeeps: my background is that of one of the people who forced proper naming for proejcts |
| 20:16.22 | Macor | a while huh? :) |
| 20:16.31 | Macor | er... this is going to take a while was what i was trying to say |
| 20:16.32 | timely | it's up to debian to give themselves a good or a bad name |
| 20:16.42 | timely | treading on their name is a violation of their existence |
| 20:16.54 | timely | the same applies to maemo (see Maemo (?) guidelines) |
| 20:17.01 | Macor | that's a little harsh don't you think :) |
| 20:17.04 | timely | and Linux and just about any other project |
| 20:17.14 | timely | Macor: it's important... |
| 20:17.26 | timely | i came in and thought "oh boy, debian's installer is buggy" |
| 20:17.40 | timely | that's unfair to debian. and it's not my fault. his product was misleading |
| 20:18.18 | Macor | Stskeeps .... |
| 20:18.22 | Stskeeps | Macor: same error? |
| 20:18.40 | Macor | http://rafb.net/p/WcU2Bx38.html |
| 20:18.42 | Macor | no |
| 20:18.45 | Macor | asking for root pw now ;) |
| 20:18.57 | timely | you have to set noe |
| 20:19.17 | Macor | Chroot command failed: ['chroot', '/mnt/nit-debian/', 'passwd', 'root'] |
| 20:19.25 | Stskeeps | Macor: .. |
| 20:19.33 | Macor | heh |
| 20:19.39 | Macor | my bad on that one... |
| 20:19.46 | Macor | damn wireless keyboard |
| 20:20.16 | Stskeeps | timely: i don't care for project politics. i've had my fair share of fights with debian-legal. i'm in this to make a good product that people can use to have a debian experience that isn't bugy on the tablets and pave the way for a free alternative incase nokia decides to stop supporting the tablets. |
| 20:20.25 | Stskeeps | and for people to have the most use of their tablets. |
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| 20:21.00 | timely | Stskeeps: i'd be shocked to hear debian would let you keep the name |
| 20:21.01 | Stskeeps | Macor: hang on a second while i look at the source |
| 20:21.04 | Macor | see... that's good old "don't give into the institution" type shit :) |
| 20:21.10 | timely | i remember debian going after other projects over that |
| 20:21.15 | Macor | Stskeeps - no.. i think that was my fault |
| 20:21.46 | Macor | just give me a minute... i don't know why i did it but i reran the command by accident.... it takes like 5 mins.. i think my wireless keyboard just screwed up |
| 20:21.56 | Stskeeps | timely: read what i said at the first line. i'm going to change the name, most definately. also, there has been no release of this stuff as such, just people discovering what we're doing and loving it. |
| 20:21.59 | Macor | timely - then they are being far too restrictive :) |
| 20:22.02 | Stskeeps | and finding our svn |
| 20:22.38 | timely | Macor: in short, the law isn't flexible on it |
| 20:22.45 | timely | if you don't defend your marks, you lose them |
| 20:22.53 | Macor | marks in opensource? :) |
| 20:22.53 | Jaffa | mutters darkly at #3542 |
| 20:23.08 | Macor | that's microsoft talk there young man |
| 20:23.24 | timely | Macor: nope |
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| 20:24.30 | Macor | it would be one thing if he were just doing it to be an immature child making bad code in order to hurt the name.. but he is actually trying to make a useful project and if anything the debian developers should be proud of it |
| 20:24.41 | timely | doesn't matter |
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| 20:25.20 | RST38h | Jaffa: You are still using Modest? |
| 20:26.21 | Jaffa | RST38h: I'm attempting to make the software which comes with the device work. I'm all for a specific mobile device email client; but basically want something with GMail's conversations, good GMail IMAP integration and a cached mode when the network connection is unavailable or patchy (without me having to select 'Offline') |
| 20:27.16 | RST38h | Jaffa: You are being a masochist. |
| 20:27.29 | Jaffa | Is there something which meets those requirements? |
| 20:27.42 | Jaffa | Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease :) |
| 20:27.44 | RST38h | Jaffa: BTW, it looks like they are not going to fix the 100% CPU usage bug saying that "it will all be fixed when we fix futexes in the kernel" |
| 20:28.23 | timely | RST38h: he wants software that "just works" |
| 20:28.30 | timely | it's too much to ask, but he's still learning :) |
| 20:28.35 | Jaffa | tsk :) |
| 20:28.51 | Jaffa | 's in a "I hate computers"; "I hate writing software" and "I hate using software" mode at the moment. |
| 20:28.52 | RST38h | timely: I also want software that just works. But once I figure out some software does not work, I stop using it |
| 20:29.09 | timely | ah, so you're vindictive |
| 20:29.15 | MangoFusion | Jaffa: the great outdoors welcomes you |
| 20:29.18 | Jaffa | RST38h: figured I need to start making my morning commute more useful than sleeping for another 45 minutes. |
| 20:29.21 | timely | he's just an over eager optimist |
| 20:29.21 | MangoFusion | ;) |
| 20:29.25 | RST38h | Jaffa: I would probably try Claws, if I were you |
| 20:29.35 | RST38h | Jaffa: Or PINE compiled for Maemo |
| 20:29.37 | Jaffa | says this whilst writing a berating email to a developer who should know better |
| 20:29.57 | RST38h | Jaffa: Complaining to Modest developers is useless. They are above your puny complaints. |
| 20:29.59 | Jaffa | RST38h: I've yet to see a usable Claws UI on the tablet; but am willing to accept it may be possible to configure it. |
| 20:30.35 | timely | just install google mail for firefox w/ gears :) |
| 20:30.36 | RST38h | Jaffa: They are the mighty wizards who conquer IMAP API specs on daily basis and write diatribes about templates and other C++ features to the Planet |
| 20:30.55 | RST38h | Jaffa: What are *your concerns* in comparison with this? |
| 20:31.30 | RST38h | Jaffa: I mean, between you and STL, who is more important to the Programmer? |
| 20:31.44 | Jaffa | timely: GMail's offline mode with gears isn't here yet is it? Rumoured to be a few weeks away AIUI |
| 20:31.45 | RST38h | [hint: "Jaffa" is a bad guess.] |
| 20:31.48 | Jaffa | RST38h: :) |
| 20:31.48 | timely | linux tm |
| 20:31.55 | timely | http://www.linux.com/forums/topic/248 |
| 20:32.01 | timely | Linux.com :: Linux(TM) ....is it different from conventional Linux? |
| 20:32.12 | Jaffa | timely: btw, you don't want to get me on to the performance of the JS version of GMail with microb in my current mood ;-) |
| 20:32.13 | timely | http://assignments.uspto.gov/assignments/q?db=tm&rno=1916230 |
| 20:32.29 | timely | Jaffa: ui=1 or ui=2 ? |
| 20:32.46 | Jaffa | timely: erm, let me check |
| 20:33.06 | Jaffa | I tend to use the static HTML for quick reading, but it's not exactly usable for replying well-formedly |
| 20:35.23 | Jaffa | timely: ui=1 |
| 20:36.33 | Jaffa | timely: issues partly related to size of GUI elements - probably more than anything else. |
| 20:37.02 | Jaffa | Right. "Commit things better you numpty" email sent. Time for a cuppa and a cuddle with Mrs Jaffa & bump. |
| 20:38.16 | timely | numpty? |
| 20:38.23 | Jaffa | err, hang on |
| 20:38.27 | timely | Jaffa: anyway, i think mxr.maemo.org is properly branded |
| 20:38.34 | timely | if people have complaints, they can give a yell |
| 20:38.48 | timely | when will maemo.org get the refresh, and is a new motto included? |
| 20:38.48 | Jaffa | http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/numpty#Noun |
| 20:39.14 | Jaffa | timely: cool :-D Not heard anything about a motto or tagline; I hope/expect not. |
| 20:39.23 | lbt | no tagline |
| 20:39.27 | lbt | according to peter |
| 20:39.34 | timely | lbt: what do you mean no tagline? |
| 20:39.44 | timely | should i actually delete the tagline from my alt text? |
| 20:39.54 | Jaffa | timely: I would. |
| 20:40.00 | lbt | I think the current "code in your hands" |
| 20:40.04 | lbt | is going |
| 20:40.10 | timely | to /dev/null ? |
| 20:40.18 | lbt | yup |
| 20:40.31 | lbt | but that's just my understanding |
| 20:40.51 | timely | lbt: so the alt text should be "maemo.org" ? |
| 20:40.57 | timely | please load mxr.maemo.org and confirm... |
| 20:41.07 | lbt | I gues.... anyhow - where do gconf settings get stored |
| 20:41.17 | timely | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.22 | lbt | needs more yelloe |
| 20:41.24 | lbt | w |
| 20:41.34 | timely | ? |
| 20:41.46 | lbt | mxr.maemo.org |
| 20:41.51 | lbt | not yellow enough |
| 20:42.00 | lbt | in my considered opinion |
| 20:42.11 | timely | did i pick the wrong logo? |
| 20:42.20 | lbt | the logo is right |
| 20:42.28 | lbt | but the page is too grey |
| 20:42.37 | RST38h | timely: btw, any way to disable browserd? current or potential? |
| 20:42.47 | lbt | and "About Cross-References" is the wrong font |
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| 20:42.50 | lbt | it clashes |
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| 20:43.15 | timely | RST38h: not really |
| 20:43.17 | lbt | you need a sans-serif font |
| 20:43.25 | timely | lbt: write some css, i'll use it |
| 20:43.45 | lbt | I only do manly code. |
| 20:43.48 | lbt | css is for girls |
| 20:44.55 | RST38h | timely: are there at least plans to get rid of it? |
| 20:44.58 | lbt | thanks - found my gconf stuff |
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| 20:47.15 | liri | timely: it doesn't show 0 but it says the repos are unavailable |
| 20:48.00 | timely | liri: http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/ |
| 20:48.16 | timely | RST38h: absolutely not |
| 20:48.31 | timely | i'm hoping to see mozilla moving to using a similar system too |
| 20:48.46 | timely | (not necessarily a true daemon, but at least a second process) |
| 20:49.10 | RST38h | timely: it sucks. |
| 20:49.30 | RST38h | timely: takes memory. periodically goes into a 100% CPU loop. |
| 20:49.53 | timely | RST38h: you're making a very stupid assumption |
| 20:49.58 | RST38h | tmiely: Once it does that, it can only be killed using 3rd party apps because it has no close icon |
| 20:50.07 | timely | namely that the browser wouldn't behave exactly the same way |
| 20:50.16 | RST38h | timely: Taking memory and 100% CPU loop are not assumptions |
| 20:50.31 | RST38h | timely: I can quit browser. I can't quit browserd |
| 20:50.33 | timely | assuming that a non browserd browser wouldn't use 100% of the cpu is |
| 20:50.48 | RST38h | timely: Sure, it would |
| 20:50.57 | RST38h | timely: But it can be quit and browserd can't |
| 20:51.03 | timely | not true actually |
| 20:51.12 | RST38h | What not true? |
| 20:51.15 | timely | it's possible to have ui apps that aren't killable |
| 20:51.28 | timely | all you need is for them to be stuck in a system call |
| 20:51.28 | RST38h | Yes, but not in the case of MicroB |
| 20:51.34 | timely | no |
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| 20:53.25 | RST38h | In the case described above, it is not being stuck in a system call. Wouldn't take 100% CPU |
| 20:53.48 | timely | i'm not actually sure about that |
| 20:53.56 | timely | it depends on how poorly implemented the system is |
| 20:54.03 | RST38h | timely: Well, if you think about it you will see why it can't |
| 20:54.03 | timely | fwiw in testing w/ microb pre browserd |
| 20:54.10 | timely | it was possible for the [x] to be absolutely useless |
| 20:54.18 | timely | i.e. you *couldn't* kill it from the ui |
| 20:54.24 | timely | even though it was using 100% of the cpu |
| 20:54.36 | timely | because it was *answering* "are you alive" (but not answering "please close") |
| 20:54.53 | RST38h | Well, you just had to wait for window manager to say "this app does not respond. kill?" |
| 20:55.01 | timely | nope |
| 20:55.03 | timely | didn't work |
| 20:55.07 | RST38h | weird |
| 20:55.10 | timely | the app responded to "i'm alive" |
| 20:55.25 | timely | it just was too busy to handle "please close" |
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| 20:55.30 | RST38h | To a termination message? |
| 20:56.06 | RST38h | it acknowledged termination message but did not close? Well, that had to be fixed inside MicroB |
| 20:56.22 | RST38h | Browserd has nothing to do with it |
| 20:56.38 | timely | well, given there was no browserd... |
| 20:56.42 | timely | this was pre browserd |
| 20:56.51 | timely | but no, i can't remember where the fault was |
| 20:56.56 | RST38h | timely: well, now it hangs in browserd and we do not even have the [x] |
| 20:56.57 | timely | it could have been in the gecko side.... |
| 20:57.06 | timely | so get a stack trace |
| 20:57.14 | lbt | does anyone know about qemu: Unsupported syscall: 264 |
| 20:57.14 | RST38h | timely: Can I suggest something, given that browserd can't get keworked? |
| 20:57.41 | timely | you can suggest whatever you like, the likelihood of it being ignored depends on what it is |
| 20:57.49 | timely | lbt: buy a newer qemu :) |
| 20:57.55 | RST38h | lbt: Open file dialog? |
| 20:58.02 | RST38h | timely: Ok |
| 20:58.24 | lbt | RST38h: probably |
| 20:58.29 | RST38h | timely: Right now, there is always a copy of browserd lingering in memory and taking ~12MB RAM (5-6MB actually) |
| 20:58.40 | RST38h | lbt: Debug on real device, do not use emulation |
| 20:58.41 | jott | lbt: the qemu with sbox does not support all arm11 instructions. |
| 20:58.59 | lbt | <mutter> |
| 20:59.00 | timely | or arm v6 |
| 20:59.04 | RST38h | timely: I suggest killing this copy if nobody uses it for, let us say, 15 minutes |
| 20:59.04 | timely | depending on how you number your arms |
| 20:59.17 | lbt | OK - I always compiled and debugged i386 version |
| 20:59.25 | lbt | I see a few differences though |
| 20:59.36 | timely | RST38h: that mostly defeats the goal |
| 20:59.43 | RST38h | timely: Not really, look |
| 20:59.44 | lbt | s/I see/I _think_ I see/ |
| 21:00.06 | timely | RST38h: the goal is that you should always be able to *quickly* open the browser from *anywhere* |
| 21:00.11 | RST38h | timely: Whoever uses the browser often will always open it with browserd still running |
| 21:00.26 | RST38h | timely: it is only the first time that takes a bit more time |
| 21:00.32 | timely | no |
| 21:00.45 | RST38h | timely: Also, I have to disappoint you because browserd does not appear to significantly reduce browser startup time |
| 21:01.11 | RST38h | timely: So whatever that goal was, it does not seem to be fulfilled |
| 21:01.14 | timely | hrm... if it isn't, then i'm fairly certain something's wrong... |
| 21:01.24 | timely | how many browserds are running after you open browser? |
| 21:01.28 | RST38h | timely: 2 |
| 21:01.28 | timely | 1 or 2? |
| 21:01.32 | timely | ok |
| 21:01.35 | timely | right... |
| 21:01.35 | RST38h | timely: a 2MB and 12MB |
| 21:01.41 | lbt | wouldn't it be easier to hack the filemanager to make it appear to be closed down? and just super-minimise it? |
| 21:01.51 | timely | and after it's closed for 15min, which is open, the 2mb or the 12mb? |
| 21:01.54 | RST38h | lbt: Qemu is broken. Do not use it. |
| 21:01.57 | lbt | windowmanager |
| 21:01.57 | RST38h | timely: both |
| 21:02.11 | timely | puzzles |
| 21:02.22 | RST38h | As I said, that 12MB copy is always lingering |
| 21:02.27 | lbt | RST38h: I was barging into your conversation |
| 21:02.31 | timely | i don't mind it lingering |
| 21:02.39 | timely | i don't like it not improving start speed |
| 21:02.46 | timely | mind you, i'm not sure how you could possibly measure it |
| 21:02.59 | RST38h | will a timer do? |
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| 21:03.07 | timely | what's your reference? |
| 21:03.18 | RST38h | timely: chinook vs diablo |
| 21:03.20 | timely | you can't compare it to chinook |
| 21:03.23 | timely | they're not the same gecko |
| 21:03.30 | GNUton | Hi there |
| 21:03.32 | timely | don't go around comparing apples and oranges |
| 21:03.36 | RST38h | but I can start it with the 12MB copy running and not running |
| 21:03.44 | RST38h | and measure both ways |
| 21:03.56 | jott | hello GNUton. |
| 21:04.06 | GNUton | hey jott! :) how are you? |
| 21:04.12 | timely | shrugs |
| 21:04.17 | timely | i just got back from a business trip |
| 21:04.23 | timely | i don't really have energy to debate this |
| 21:04.23 | jott | fine. just played around a bit with qedje :) |
| 21:04.30 | timely | i haven't even taken my luggage upstairs |
| 21:04.37 | RST38h | timely: not debating, just going to measure and tell the numbers |
| 21:04.39 | timely | nor have i gone to work, which i intended to do hours ago |
| 21:04.55 | GNUton | jott: I read about it.. |
| 21:05.13 | GNUton | jott: I had a look at its code this afternoon.. |
| 21:05.31 | RST38h | 18.48s when loading www.rbc.ru with browserd running |
| 21:05.37 | GNUton | jott: but I don´t tryied yet |
| 21:05.50 | GNUton | jott: what do you think? |
| 21:06.30 | RST38h | 21.25s when loading www.rbc.ru with browserd killed |
| 21:06.41 | jott | GNUton: looks quite promising, as it offers qt based signal/slot communications and allows easy creation of "bling" interfaces. |
| 21:07.36 | GNUton | are there example to try it? |
| 21:07.56 | jott | GNUton: some basic canola style animation stuff. |
| 21:08.20 | jott | with a qDebug when something is clicked ;) |
| 21:08.55 | lcuk | RST38h, that site starts off REALLY well in chinook, but then as the flash elements start it slows right down and almost never finishes the page |
| 21:09.09 | RST38h | lcuk: 'cause you have to use adblock ;) |
| 21:09.28 | RST38h | does not event see those flash elements ;) |
| 21:09.29 | timely | oh brother |
| 21:09.36 | timely | how about about: or about:blank or something? |
| 21:09.42 | timely | picking a heavy site isn't reasonable |
| 21:09.48 | RST38h | it's not |
| 21:09.48 | lcuk | does adblock on this device remove before addition of flash, or after the flash has been placed into the dom and initialized? |
| 21:09.50 | GNUton | jott: ok |
| 21:10.01 | RST38h | btw, I am actually using pda.rbc.ru - it is flash free |
| 21:10.01 | timely | you're skewing percentages to include something unrelated |
| 21:10.20 | RST38h | timely: I have used pda.rbc.ru - no ads, no flash, 18/21s |
| 21:10.29 | lcuk | less than 2 seconds refresh time? |
| 21:10.31 | timely | try about: instead? |
| 21:10.32 | jott | http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/9837/merkaartorvq8.png <- also somewhat useable. merkaartor openstreetmap editor ;) |
| 21:10.56 | timely | Safari can¹t open the page ³http://pda.rbc.ru/² because it can¹t find the server ³pda.rbc.ru%e2%80%ad². |
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| 21:11.01 | timely | pda.rbc.ru is a great page |
| 21:11.02 | RST38h | timely: But, you see, I am not using about: in my daily life. There is nothing to see |
| 21:11.07 | RST38h | timely: A moment |
| 21:11.22 | RST38h | finds pda.rbc.ru just fine |
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| 21:12.02 | RST38h | pda.rbc.ru canonical name = adaron.rbc.ru. |
| 21:12.02 | RST38h | Name: adaron.rbc.ru |
| 21:12.02 | RST38h | Address: 80.68.240.193 |
| 21:12.47 | RST38h | ok, I will try with google instead |
| 21:13.12 | timely | kicks firebug |
| 21:13.17 | timely | it beachballed my browser |
| 21:13.56 | timely | make sure you aren't getting google/ig or a logged in variant... |
| 21:14.14 | timely | really, what's wrong w/ "about:"? |
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| 21:14.26 | RST38h | timely: there is nothing to see there, it is not a typical usage case |
| 21:15.18 | RST38h | 17.12s on plain google with browserd on |
| 21:15.40 | timely | the question is proportionally for a local load how much does it improve things |
| 21:15.57 | timely | people should *not* be using remote pages as their start pages if they want to complain about speed |
| 21:16.08 | RST38h | 20.14 with browserd killes |
| 21:17.15 | RST38h | timely, you are being unreasonable |
| 21:17.16 | timely | nope |
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| 21:17.17 | RST38h | people use for their start pages what they are used to use for their start pages |
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| 21:17.18 | timely | if i want a fast load experience, i will save a local copy of the page i want |
| 21:17.18 | timely | oddly, microb theoretically supports saving complete pages |
| 21:17.18 | RST38h | ok, should I measure to the time when it says loading" then? |
| 21:17.18 | timely | (no idea if it ever works) |
| 21:17.38 | RST38h | so load time will not be included? |
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| 21:17.41 | timely | probably |
| 21:17.54 | RST38h | measuring |
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| 21:19.25 | timely | fwiw, YSlow gives http://pda.rbc.ru/ a C- |
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| 21:19.38 | camden | hi folks |
| 21:19.42 | camden | how's it going today? |
| 21:19.57 | timely | which is pretty bad |
| 21:20.18 | liri | RST: can I bug you with a repository setup a bit? |
| 21:20.23 | RST38h | 18.60s without browserd |
| 21:20.26 | RST38h | liri? |
| 21:20.39 | camden | has anybody had luck setting up bluetooth pan networking with a windows mobile phone on diablo? (n810) |
| 21:21.25 | RST38h | 15.08s with browserd |
| 21:21.37 | RST38h | sorry, timely, still no doughnut =( |
| 21:21.55 | liri | RST38h: on my new N810, I put diablo on it a couple of hours ago, booted it, went into application manager -> looked at the catalogs but they were all "failed to refresh" |
| 21:22.04 | RST38h | And this time was measured until I see the "connecting" message |
| 21:22.16 | RST38h | liri: no internet connection? |
| 21:22.28 | liri | RST38h: I have Internet, I think maybe the repos are out-dated |
| 21:22.42 | RST38h | liri: don't think so |
| 21:23.04 | timely | liri: any strange packages installed? |
| 21:23.10 | RST38h | liri: try checking for updates from app manager |
| 21:23.15 | timely | also, if you copy the urls from the repo list, can you reach them directly? |
| 21:23.36 | liri | just a sec, let's try it one at a time, I'll enable the repos |
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| 21:24.10 | RST38h | timely: Anyways, if you still do not believe me that browserd does not shave any significant time off browser loading, I can ask others at this channel to measure their times and file a bug |
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| 21:24.52 | RST38h | timely: But my strong suspicion is that browserd is just a "misfeature" right now |
| 21:24.59 | RST38h | more or less like Modest. |
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| 21:25.45 | Stskeeps | modest makes me want to scratch my eyes out - even my SE cellphone e-mail client is more responsive :P |
| 21:27.10 | doc|home | yeah, modest = ass. claws is far better |
| 21:27.44 | liri | ok it needed a disable/enablething... so back to the repos. I currently have: 1. nokia catalog (http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/) and 2. nokia 3rd party software (http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/non-certfied) |
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| 21:28.13 | RST38h | liri: You probably want to add chinook extras |
| 21:28.29 | timely | RST38h: filing that bug is a waste of time |
| 21:28.31 | timely | we're not changing it |
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| 21:29.09 | timely | you're free to nag eero about finding out what's wasting time before browserd is poked |
| 21:29.18 | timely | 12s seems a bit long w/o talking to a browser |
| 21:29.22 | liri | RST: yep I need to understand these repos a little bit. chinook is only extras or other things too? |
| 21:29.27 | timely | RST38h: how big is history? |
| 21:29.39 | RST38h | no idea, never checked |
| 21:29.49 | RST38h | liri: just extras |
| 21:29.51 | timely | it's a file somewhere near ~/ |
| 21:29.57 | RST38h | lemme clear it |
| 21:30.02 | timely | find it, move it out of the way, check its size.. :) |
| 21:30.20 | RST38h | timely: If you are not changing it, you are fixing it |
| 21:30.34 | liri | RST38h: ok, how do I add extra then? :) |
| 21:30.35 | timely | um... i'm not doing anything |
| 21:30.37 | RST38h | timely: If you are not fixing it and you are not changing it, then you will get publicly booed =) |
| 21:30.43 | timely | oh brother |
| 21:30.52 | liri | I have a disabled maemo extras listed there |
| 21:30.54 | RST38h | liri: Add Repository |
| 21:31.00 | RST38h | liri: Enable it back |
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| 21:31.13 | liri | how would it know if it's chinook or anything else? |
| 21:31.14 | RST38h | liri: And add a copy of it, but saying "chinook" in the distribtion field |
| 21:31.24 | RST38h | clear dist field = diablo |
| 21:31.34 | liri | the settings are http://repository.maemo.org/extras, free, non-free |
| 21:31.44 | RST38h | it is diablo |
| 21:31.50 | liri | ahh right |
| 21:32.06 | liri | I remember reading about it, if distribution field is empty then it takes the default as the image version |
| 21:32.23 | liri | ok so to enable it but add chinook in the Distribution field? |
| 21:33.19 | RST38h | timely: .browser_typed_urls? |
| 21:33.23 | RST38h | 39 entries |
| 21:33.27 | RST38h | liri: No |
| 21:33.38 | RST38h | liri: 1. Enable this repository. DO NOT CHANGE IT |
| 21:33.52 | liri | RST38h: ahh, so to leave it as diablo. ok |
| 21:33.57 | RST38h | liri: 2. Add new repository. Copy fields from repository #1 to repository #2 |
| 21:34.07 | timely | yes |
| 21:34.13 | RST38h | liri: 3. In repository #2, type chinook in the distributon field |
| 21:34.18 | RST38h | timely: Is 39 entries a lot? |
| 21:34.27 | timely | shrugs |
| 21:34.31 | timely | how long are they? |
| 21:34.41 | timely | i have one entry which iirc is thousands of chars long :) |
| 21:34.51 | timely | (This causes serious problems for the urlbar) |
| 21:34.53 | RST38h | whole file is 1968 bytes |
| 21:35.04 | RST38h | not long |
| 21:35.23 | timely | also, are you only using standard bookmarks, or have you made your own? |
| 21:35.28 | timely | wonders if we eagerly load bookmarks |
| 21:35.35 | timely | (which would be both likely and stupid) |
| 21:35.50 | liri | RST38h: ok done. now both extras are enabled. fetch for updates now? |
| 21:36.19 | Proteous | the URL bar is not a file transfer protocal |
| 21:36.37 | timely | Proteous: it isn't? |
| 21:36.40 | timely | that's how i used it :) |
| 21:36.43 | RST38h | timely: Of course I have made my own |
| 21:36.59 | RST38h | timely: Is it bad? =) |
| 21:37.09 | timely | RST38h: for perspective, i visited a computer on friday which had enough bookmarks in ie |
| 21:37.18 | RST38h | 211 bytes in .bookmark |
| 21:37.25 | timely | that when ff3.0.1 ran its first launch import favorites, it hung for a really really long time |
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| 21:37.53 | RST38h | 7367 bytes in MyBookmarks.xml |
| 21:37.54 | timely | if you less .bookmark, do you find that isn't the xml file you seek? |
| 21:38.07 | timely | yeah, the My one sounds more promising :) |
| 21:38.29 | RST38h | it is a bunch of XML crap |
| 21:38.38 | RST38h | lemme see, you are using libxml to parse it? =) |
| 21:38.38 | RST38h | \ |
| 21:38.44 | RST38h | on startup? |
| 21:38.57 | liri | RST38h: wouldn't the diablo repo conflic with the chinook one? |
| 21:39.02 | liri | *conflict |
| 21:39.03 | timely | use strace and figure out if we are reading it |
| 21:39.12 | timely | i'd place better than even money on us reading it at startup |
| 21:39.32 | RST38h | 26 bookmarks |
| 21:39.35 | RST38h | liri: no |
| 21:39.56 | RST38h | timely: this will be about 2 bookmarks per second =) |
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| 21:40.39 | liri | ok :) thanks |
| 21:40.47 | RST38h | goes to clean his teeth, read Catch22, and hit the bed |
| 21:40.59 | timely | RST38h: for kicks, try having 1000 bookmarks (a reasonable approximation of the user i encountered) |
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| 21:41.11 | timely | i'm not sure... but anyway... there are probably some really stupid things we're doing on startup |
| 21:41.19 | timely | and they're probably in the ui side |
| 21:41.20 | RST38h | timely: it is probably not the right time but when you get to work, do consider the possibility that browserd is screwed. |
| 21:41.26 | RST38h | I mean, in general. |
| 21:41.33 | timely | nah |
| 21:41.38 | timely | i have dozens of other things to consider |
| 21:41.42 | RST38h | timely: I do not visit that many sites =) |
| 21:41.45 | timely | like the fact that the ui itself is screwed |
| 21:42.22 | RST38h | timely: Well, if you add something to the system and it takes memory and does things and ends up being of no use, you probably should consider it first |
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| 21:42.48 | timely | shrugs |
| 21:43.07 | RST38h | timely: In the meanwhile, I will ask a few people here to measure microb loading times with and without browserd |
| 21:43.25 | RST38h | just to make sure I am not seeing ghosts |
| 21:43.34 | timely | shrugs |
| 21:43.42 | timely | 3s out of 10 is a very good win |
| 21:43.47 | timely | the goal was something like that |
| 21:43.49 | RST38h | no, timely |
| 21:43.53 | RST38h | not 3s out of 10s |
| 21:43.59 | RST38h | 3s out of 18s |
| 21:44.03 | timely | if we're taking 20 instead of 10, then the problem is in the other 10 |
| 21:44.06 | timely | not in the savings near the 3 |
| 21:44.18 | RST38h | Browserd saves 3s out of 18s |
| 21:44.27 | RST38h | it is whopping 16.6% |
| 21:44.36 | timely | right, but you're chasing the wrong ghost |
| 21:44.41 | RST38h | and it is *not* noticeable |
| 21:44.42 | timely | why is it taking 20 instead of 10? |
| 21:45.05 | timely | and sadly, i don't think we have symbols for the ui, so you can't easily see where it's doing work |
| 21:45.06 | RST38h | no, no, that is not the original topic of conversation |
| 21:45.22 | RST38h | the original topic was that browserd takes memory while being of no use |
| 21:45.24 | timely | look. the design goal is to get the speed to very close to 5s |
| 21:45.35 | RST38h | I understand |
| 21:45.44 | timely | and a 3s penalty to start the browser makes it very hard to achieve 5s |
| 21:45.45 | RST38h | but it does not look like browserd is the way to do it |
| 21:45.51 | timely | err. |
| 21:46.05 | RST38h | If you ask me, realistically I would suggest trying to switch from xml bookmarks to plain text |
| 21:46.09 | timely | if those 3s can't possibly be saved by not using a browserd, then they're definitely the way to go |
| 21:46.16 | timely | would just lazy load bookmarks |
| 21:46.21 | timely | (and urlbar history) |
| 21:46.26 | RST38h | but you do not know if they can right now |
| 21:46.31 | RST38h | this too |
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| 21:46.39 | RST38h | but in any case, dropping xml may help |
| 21:46.43 | timely | shrugs |
| 21:46.57 | timely | the xml flavor was some stupid "brilliant" idea from some "group" that long predates me |
| 21:47.03 | timely | i'm hoping it'll die soon enough |
| 21:47.11 | RST38h | timely: this sounds very familiar |
| 21:47.21 | timely | but atm the possible replacement for it has serious issues w/ memory cards |
| 21:47.28 | RST38h | timely: but try keworking it in the name of performance (should not be hard to test) and see hoe many seconds |
| 21:47.32 | timely | and doesn't have the best lazy load behavior |
| 21:48.10 | timely | RST38h: sadly, bookmarks was given 0 allocation for the next release |
| 21:48.20 | Curs0r | Is there a channel that might be able to help me with a battery question about my n800? |
| 21:48.25 | timely | but yeah, i'll see if maybe sometime we can try to donsomething on this |
| 21:48.57 | RST38h | timely: commenting out a line that loads them and inits xml and testing won;t take much time |
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| 21:49.03 | liri | I think it's time to check the gps functionality |
| 21:49.08 | timely | is still looking for advice on colors for mxr.maemo.org |
| 21:49.13 | timely | liri: install agps first |
| 21:49.15 | camden_ | oh hey, speaking of gps: |
| 21:49.24 | liri | so with diablo installed I guess it's better to install agps |
| 21:49.44 | camden_ | if you have been having trouble with maemo mapper not finding your gps, go to settings, and make sure that the gps device is 'bluetooth' with no address entered, not 'internal' |
| 21:49.50 | RST38h | timely: what is wrong with current white? |
| 21:49.54 | liri | timely: ok, getting it |
| 21:50.02 | timely | RST38h: someone complained about the other colors |
| 21:50.10 | timely | the gray/yellow not matching the black/blue/purple |
| 21:50.15 | camden_ | ie if you have been running maps first to start the gps, then maemo-mapper to actually use it, this is the problem. |
| 21:50.23 | camden_ | (I was pulling out my hair on it for a while) |
| 21:50.24 | timely | i'm not sure i disgaree |
| 21:50.27 | RST38h | oh those |
| 21:51.08 | RST38h | timely: ok, black->black, blue->dark brown, purple->lighter brown |
| 21:51.25 | RST38h | timely: and change menu frame style to something neater =) |
| 21:51.53 | timely | ? |
| 21:51.56 | timely | make a mock up |
| 21:54.18 | timely | RST38h: http://mxr.maemo.org/style/site.css |
| 21:54.22 | timely | load that, then go back |
| 21:55.13 | timely | thinks that the current "blue" could be used for "red" and maybe the current "purple" for "blue" |
| 21:55.29 | timely | hasn't done color mixing in years |
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| 21:56.31 | RST38h | timely: not yellow, brown |
| 21:56.44 | RST38h | wait, lemme mix them |
| 21:57.13 | RST38h | #330000 for links |
| 21:57.16 | timely | reload |
| 21:57.38 | RST38h | #703A00 for visited links |
| 21:58.12 | timely | also need one for :active and one for :hover |
| 21:58.19 | RST38h | something like this, but I would make unvisited links darker than visited ones |
| 21:58.29 | RST38h | the above two values should (probably) work |
| 21:58.38 | timely | have you reloaded? |
| 21:58.41 | RST38h | yes |
| 21:58.59 | timely | i now have a brown, an orangish and a yellowish orange |
| 21:59.12 | liri | timely: I set the red target at my area though I don't see any ok/cancel buttons |
| 21:59.26 | RST38h | looks ok to me, although I would swap visited/unvisited link colors |
| 21:59.44 | timely | liri: eh? |
| 22:00.07 | liri | timely: A-GPS Beta poped up the world map screen |
| 22:00.16 | timely | oh, i've never used it |
| 22:00.33 | liri | timely: I know I'm supposed to choose my location there and so I did. what now? |
| 22:00.44 | liri | timely: oh... didn't you se install a-gps? :) |
| 22:00.48 | liri | *say |
| 22:01.20 | timely | just because i know you need to install X doesn't mean i know how X works :) |
| 22:01.30 | liri | ahh hehe |
| 22:01.46 | liri | timely: do you use the gps with a-gps then? |
| 22:01.52 | timely | btw, you need X on your n810... but i don't even under stand gtk :) |
| 22:02.25 | timely | nah, i use google maps (java) to ask my phone where i am :) |
| 22:02.42 | timely | and for gps, i use a nokia bt gps module :) |
| 22:03.17 | timely | RST38h: reload? |
| 22:03.32 | liri | ahh ok |
| 22:03.36 | liri | thanks anyway :) |
| 22:04.18 | timely | liri: i work on browsers and mxr... anything beyond that is hearsay :) |
| 22:05.17 | camden_ | hey folks, is there a way to re-run the phone setup wizard? |
| 22:05.59 | timely | go to control panel |
| 22:06.11 | timely | if you pair a new phone it'll automatically nag you |
| 22:06.23 | timely | but the menus in control panel should offer something like "operator setup wizard" |
| 22:06.31 | timely | (actual strings vary by locale) |
| 22:07.13 | camden_ | timely: found it, thank you |
| 22:07.50 | camden_ | gah. I think I screwed myself on PAN funtionality by doing the phone wizard before I installed the maemo-pan package |
| 22:09.01 | Macor | well... lets see if audacious works in this nit-debian install |
| 22:09.57 | RST38h | timely: yep |
| 22:10.31 | timely | http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/kernel-source-diablo-2.6.21/kernel-source/drivers/acpi/dispatcher/dsmethod.c |
| 22:10.33 | timely | how's that? |
| 22:11.21 | RST38h | timely: menu frame style - try border: 2px dotted #000000; |
| 22:11.32 | RST38h | you can also try dashed |
| 22:11.49 | RST38h | looks like this: http://fms.komkon.org/ |
| 22:13.02 | liri | whats the name of the wget package? cause I don't find it |
| 22:13.28 | RST38h | liri: fms.komkon.org/Maemo/ and type the name there |
| 22:14.56 | liri | so many tricks to learn :) |
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| 22:16.53 | camden | whoa, how long was I gone |
| 22:16.54 | camden | ?? |
| 22:17.16 | liri | camden: 2days!! |
| 22:17.33 | camden | I think I was abducted by aliens. I'm experiencing lost time |
| 22:17.34 | camden | :D |
| 22:17.46 | timely | RST38h: reload http://mxr.maemo.org/ |
| 22:17.50 | camden | I guess I wasn't experiencing it, which is the unnerving bit. |
| 22:18.17 | RST38h | wait, moved to the tablet... |
| 22:19.05 | liri | RST38h: on that site I clicked the wget.install file and downloaded, it added a chinook repos (seems to be extras-devel) but stil couldn't find the wget package |
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| 22:19.27 | timely | it should load on the tablet :) |
| 22:19.54 | RST38h | timely: to my eye looks ok |
| 22:20.01 | wolfspirit | is there a way to set a route in maemo mapper without having to download anything? I downloaded a bunch of maps ahead of time but can't seem to find where to set a from/to destination without connecting to the internet |
| 22:20.23 | RST38h | may need a spacer under the logo and/or centering th logo |
| 22:20.56 | GNUton | night |
| 22:21.28 | timely | i think in one of my variants, i had the maemo logo to the right of the table |
| 22:21.44 | RST38h | menu items need to be made nowrap |
| 22:21.59 | RST38h | they wrap on the tablet |
| 22:22.11 | camden | so, I know I asked a second ago, but has anybody had success using the maemo-pan package to use bluetooth PAN with a windows mobile smartphone? |
| 22:22.27 | timely | RST38h: wrap how? |
| 22:22.48 | RST38h | timely: another varisnt is to keep the logo above main text and menu at the left |
| 22:23.10 | timely | RST38h: yeah |
| 22:23.14 | timely | that's what i meant |
| 22:23.43 | RST38h | timely: you have got version name znd revisions in parents. revisions wrap |
| 22:24.13 | timely | reload http://mxr.maemo.org/ |
| 22:24.34 | RST38h | coooool |
| 22:24.35 | timely | RST38h: revisions are supposed to have a smaller font |
| 22:24.39 | jott | timely: looks much better with the logo on the right |
| 22:24.50 | RST38h | are not |
| 22:25.05 | timely | RST38h: yeah, i know |
| 22:25.09 | timely | that got lost at some point |
| 22:25.16 | timely | or never made it to mxr.maemo.org, whichever |
| 22:25.18 | RST38h | and font won't prevent them from wrapping |
| 22:26.31 | camden | hmmm.. found a hack for my phone that should allow sharing over wifi instead of bluetooth |
| 22:26.50 | RST38h | you do have lots of vertical space at the left |
| 22:27.10 | camden | which is sweet because bluetooth drains my battery like a frathouse drains a keg. |
| 22:27.19 | RST38h | may use it to reformat menu instead of nowrap |
| 22:27.35 | wolfspirit | hmm.. so you can't set a route offline with maemo mapper? Interesting.. what about the other navigation solutions for the n810.. do they have these features? |
| 22:27.54 | timely | RST38h, consider: http://mxr-test.landfill.bugzilla.org/ |
| 22:28.03 | timely | and keep in mind that my internal version has hundreds of trees |
| 22:28.31 | jott | timely: i would center (or right align) the logo on the source-view pages. |
| 22:28.56 | camden | lol. there goes alternate universe me |
| 22:28.56 | timely | jott: um, hold |
| 22:30.16 | RST38h | timely: this one would win from moving menu to the bottom |
| 22:30.38 | RST38h | and breaking it into 3-4 columns |
| 22:31.37 | timely | reload / |
| 22:31.49 | timely | which looks better, diablo or os2008? |
| 22:32.19 | jott | i vote for the logo in the right column :) |
| 22:32.30 | timely | jott: eh? |
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| 22:32.43 | timely | is still trying to remember how to fix the image align |
| 22:33.04 | zap | hmm... what could be the reason that a binary compiled with -mthumb is about 1.5 times LARGER than without it? |
| 22:33.29 | timely | jott: you prefer http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/diablo.sources.list ? |
| 22:33.51 | timely | zap: thumb instructions are wider iirc |
| 22:34.03 | zap | no, they are 16 bit vs 32-bit in normal mode |
| 22:34.09 | RST38h | making font smaller looks wrong in the title |
| 22:34.28 | RST38h | thumb instructions are narrower |
| 22:35.17 | RST38h | zap: it might have to duplicate a few funcs in thumb and arm |
| 22:35.19 | timely | zap: the reason is that you'll need more instructions to do work like complex jumps |
| 22:35.28 | timely | or could be |
| 22:35.39 | timely | would hope the compiler doesn't have duplicated functions |
| 22:35.47 | zap | RST38h: in which situation compiler will duplicate a func? |
| 22:35.53 | runehol | the compiler doesn't duplicate functions |
| 22:35.56 | RST38h | sometimes it has to |
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| 22:36.03 | Xamusk | hi |
| 22:36.15 | runehol | it'll execute a jump that switches from arm to thumb instead |
| 22:36.19 | zap | um, its a program, not a library. I wouldn't be surprised if it would duplicate them in a library... |
| 22:36.24 | RST38h | zap: when it somehow cant generate a bx |
| 22:36.28 | Xamusk | did anyone here get calendar syncing working with Ubuntu? |
| 22:36.40 | zap | RST38h: what's a bx? |
| 22:36.50 | zap | ah, a b instruction? |
| 22:36.57 | runehol | branch with exchange |
| 22:37.05 | zap | ok |
| 22:37.08 | RST38h | zap: jump+mode change |
| 22:37.16 | runehol | where exchange means switch between arm/thumb mode |
| 22:37.34 | zap | afair switching is done by just jumping to a non-even address |
| 22:37.44 | zap | non-4-multiple |
| 22:37.45 | RST38h | zap: you can ask gcc for a map and compare |
| 22:37.55 | zap | indeed, I should do it |
| 22:37.58 | zap | I'm intrigued |
| 22:38.02 | RST38h | zap: jumping with bx |
| 22:38.08 | RST38h | b wont switch |
| 22:38.12 | zap | aha |
| 22:38.22 | jott | timely: yes, i think it looks better when centered. |
| 22:38.27 | RST38h | and jazelle wants bj |
| 22:38.35 | zap | I read the arm asm guide several years ago last time |
| 22:38.46 | RST38h | this will jump to jaava codr |
| 22:39.07 | zap | bj switches the CPU to the undocumented java mode? |
| 22:39.29 | RST38h | knows much more about arm inst set than it is safe for sanity |
| 22:39.41 | runehol | BXJ, but yeah |
| 22:39.45 | RST38h | zap: it is documented |
| 22:40.00 | zap | why nobody makes a hw java interpreter then? |
| 22:40.09 | zap | or rather, executor |
| 22:40.18 | RST38h | some do |
| 22:40.40 | zap | they will have to pay Sun a license fee? |
| 22:40.44 | RST38h | it isnt fullly documented though |
| 22:40.50 | runehol | java really needs a JIT to run fast |
| 22:40.51 | RST38h | no they wont |
| 22:41.00 | RST38h | may have to pay arm |
| 22:41.07 | timely | jott: and http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/find ?? |
| 22:41.10 | runehol | virtual method calls by default are expensive, and a JIT can inline those |
| 22:41.30 | zap | runehol: and hw support doesn't help? |
| 22:41.37 | RST38h | java needs a shotgun fired at it |
| 22:41.46 | timely | RST38h: just wait until we get silverlight :) |
| 22:42.01 | RST38h | zap: jazelle accelerates it at x3 at the average |
| 22:42.19 | RST38h | cool but not a holy grail |
| 22:42.22 | jott | timely: hm still think "center" is better but that's just my opinion :) |
| 22:42.25 | runehol | zap: hw that just executes java opcodes can't do all those tricks |
| 22:42.50 | zap | does virtual method call involve a search thru a hash table or something like that? |
| 22:43.00 | runehol | no, it's like in C++ |
| 22:43.07 | zap | why its expensive then? |
| 22:43.08 | runehol | accessing an offset in a vtable |
| 22:43.12 | timely | jott: reload |
| 22:43.17 | RST38h | timely: the only way you are getting shitlight is with winmobile |
| 22:43.18 | runehol | because every method is virtual by default |
| 22:43.34 | runehol | unlike C++, wher you have to mark methods as virtual |
| 22:43.35 | zap | hmm, so a JIT could accelerate C++ as well? :-) |
| 22:43.41 | runehol | it's the power of defaults |
| 22:43.48 | timely | RST38h: www.nokia.com/A4136001?newsid=1197788 |
| 22:43.53 | timely | not true :/ |
| 22:44.16 | jott | timely: better |
| 22:44.36 | timely | jott: really? |
| 22:44.37 | RST38h | timely: thats marketing guano |
| 22:45.12 | RST38h | timely: we have seen ie on solaris, this will be another case of that |
| 22:45.14 | runehol | timely: do you know if that's a pure software implementation or if you'll layer it on top of a graphics accelerator? |
| 22:45.17 | jott | timely: look at google/yahoo/ask they all center the logo :) |
| 22:45.39 | jott | well ask actually not anymore :P |
| 22:45.43 | jott | anyway |
| 22:45.50 | jott | i think it's better ;) |
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| 22:46.26 | timely | RST38h: i've seen ie on hpux too... |
| 22:47.11 | RST38h | timely: was it usable?;) |
| 22:47.30 | timely | yes.. |
| 22:48.16 | timely | http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/search |
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| 22:48.22 | timely | jott: does that really look ok? |
| 22:50.22 | RST38h | really sleep now. |
| 22:50.25 | jott | timely: well i would phrase it this way: "i like it better than before" |
| 22:50.32 | Macor | hm |
| 22:50.47 | timely | jott: i'm accepting more input :) |
| 22:50.48 | Macor | sound doesn't seem to work in this debian install even though it says it does on their site :) |
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| 22:51.01 | timely | eww |
| 22:51.27 | timely | 46 and 64 are pretty close, right? |
| 22:51.34 | timely | fixes a small dyslexic typo |
| 22:52.15 | camden | this is maddening |
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| 22:59.20 | timely | jott: so,... back to / |
| 22:59.24 | timely | how do i make things smaller? |
| 22:59.39 | zap | ah, got it - when I was using -mthumb, configure disabled optimizations (e.g. no -O2) |
| 22:59.40 | timely | i don't really want to try to use columns |
| 22:59.42 | timely | it's a royal pain |
| 22:59.52 | timely | zap: heh |
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| 23:16.04 | bcharrow_ | Hi all. Can anyone help me 'modprobe' |
| 23:16.29 | andre___ | means? :-) |
| 23:16.32 | bcharrow_ | I get "modprobe: cannot parse modules.dep" whenever I try and use it on the n810 |
| 23:16.37 | timely | hi andre___ |
| 23:16.50 | Veggen | bcharrow: you don't modprobe, you insmod on the tablet :) |
| 23:16.59 | bcharrow_ | I see. |
| 23:17.15 | bcharrow_ | The reason I ask is that I compiled powertop for the 810 and it seems to want to use modprobe instead of insmod |
| 23:17.16 | andre___ | hey timely |
| 23:17.29 | Macor | hm.. i should be able to get an ouput from cat /dev/snd/controlC0 |
| 23:17.46 | Macor | is there something i need to install to get /dev/dsp support ? |
| 23:17.54 | Macor | like alsa-oss or something? :) |
| 23:19.26 | bcharrow_ | Another question: if I compile a custom kernel using scratchbox (all I do is add 'CONFIG_TIMER_STATS=y' to the .config), it breaks wifi.... |
| 23:19.38 | bcharrow_ | I recompile cx3110x from source and can put it on |
| 23:19.42 | Xamusk | did anyone here get calendar syncing working with Ubuntu Hardy? I'm not finding packages for libopensync-plugins-gpe |
| 23:20.14 | bcharrow_ | But I was wondering if there was a way to get the compiled .ko for cx3110x onto the device via flashing |
| 23:20.52 | bcharrow_ | as it is, I have to transfer it the MMC, and then manually (i.e. using the command line) swap my new .ko for the original one |
| 23:24.38 | jott | bcharrow_: put the modules in the right location, (like /lib/modules/$(uname -r)) and run depmod ( http://sse2.net/depmod ) for using modprobe |
| 23:24.52 | jott | bcharrow_: on diablo you can just remount,rw the initfs |
| 23:26.51 | timely | jott / andre___: so, what else can i do to make mxr.maemo.org prettier? |
| 23:27.48 | andre___ | don't ask me for arty stuff ;-) |
| 23:28.17 | jott | timely: move the logo in the right column on the /diablo page to make it consistent ;) |
| 23:29.02 | timely | move how? :) |
| 23:29.05 | timely | center? |
| 23:29.25 | timely | remember, not all centers are created equal |
| 23:30.14 | jott | timely: no in the right column like on the startpage ;) |
| 23:30.31 | jott | (or the /os2008/ page) |
| 23:32.04 | bcharrow_ | jott: Thanks! Do you know if there's a way to create a custom initfs, that I can just flash stuff over? |
| 23:33.10 | timely | yeah, i know |
| 23:33.14 | jott | bcharrow_: sure, search for fanoush initfs, but for diablo you do not really need tricks for modifications of it as it can simply be mounted as rw ( mount -o remount,rw /mnt/initfs ) |
| 23:33.20 | timely | but remember, there's a table that eats into the total space |
| 23:33.33 | timely | so if i center the logo, it's centered against a space without the left edge |
| 23:33.38 | timely | which means its center won't match |
| 23:40.26 | bcharrow_ | jott: Really appreciate it. Everything is working just fine now. |
| 23:40.58 | Macor | ok. i'm at a loss finding out how to get nit-debian to connect with bt devices |
| 23:41.26 | Macor | hm |
| 23:48.20 | Macor | or play audio :) |
| 23:51.37 | sp3000 | timely: hey, did you notice I implemented a usable search |
| 23:52.04 | sp3000 | it's not everywhere though yet |
