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| 00:02.47 | robink | Git for Maemo? |
| 00:08.55 | ttmrichter | acydlord: I'll give it a try. Thanks. |
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| 00:11.31 | ttmrichter | OK, I'm assuming that .browser is the browser profile. Deleting it doesn't fix anything. Is there anywhere else that this could have gone off? |
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| 00:21.43 | nicesj | hi |
| 00:22.35 | nicesj | I wrote ubi image(created by ubinize) to the flash device.. |
| 00:22.47 | nicesj | after boot (linux), |
| 00:23.02 | nicesj | "df" displays invalid total size. |
| 00:23.24 | nicesj | I have 156 MB free spaces but the df displays only 114 MB |
| 00:23.43 | nicesj | it is different with UBI LEB size |
| 00:23.57 | nicesj | anyone has same exp? |
| 00:24.05 | nicesj | or How can i figure it out? |
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| 00:24.41 | nicesj | * LEB size == total available LEB count |
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| 00:26.35 | Oliver_385634 | hello |
| 00:27.08 | nicesj | hi |
| 00:29.00 | acydlord | that was exciting, my computer rebooted while i was in the middle of making a powerpoint for a presentation =/ |
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| 00:37.59 | sp3000 | anyone ever get the feed applet into a state where no matter what gesture you do from the resize corner, it always grows the applet one step right- and downward |
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| 00:39.17 | sp3000 | or it might just be a certain class of poorly executed gestures |
| 00:39.47 | sp3000 | it's a bit odd that there's some sort of third option between yes you grabbed it and no you didn't grab it |
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| 00:51.15 | trev0r | has anyone had problems with flash player breaking in os2008? |
| 00:51.39 | trev0r | pages suddenly think i dont have flash installed |
| 00:56.17 | johnx | trev0r, if the browser crashes while flash is running sometimes it disables the flash component |
| 00:56.33 | johnx | check to make sure it's enabled in the menu on the bottom right of the browser |
| 00:57.42 | trev0r | yeah that was the problem |
| 00:57.42 | trev0r | thanks |
| 00:58.03 | johnx | :) |
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| 01:49.53 | toti_ | Hey, I'm searching for a mplayer version with anabled v4l support, any Idea where to get it from? |
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| 02:27.19 | jihoon | Please, help me. I don't know how to scale the CPU frequency of n810. |
| 02:29.20 | Proteous | step 1: get a scale that measures CPU frequency. Watch out, this part is tricky, I mistakenly got a scale that measures the frequency that I hit myself in the eye while playing halo |
| 02:29.41 | Proteous | (side note: it's 14 times an hour) |
| 02:30.01 | Proteous | step 2: place CPU on scale |
| 02:30.04 | Proteous | step 3: profit |
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| 02:30.47 | johnx | jihoon, it scales automatically |
| 02:31.05 | Proteous | so does my eye pain sadly |
| 02:31.53 | Proteous | my snarky comments scale proportionaly with my discomfort with difficult questions |
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| 02:32.31 | Proteous | figuring that last comment out I leave as an exercise for the reader. |
| 02:32.40 | jihoon | johnx, I want to scale manually. |
| 02:33.01 | jihoon | johnx, is it impossible? |
| 02:33.08 | johnx | jihoon, it's possible |
| 02:33.17 | johnx | it's the same as a normal linux desktop using cpufreq |
| 02:33.23 | Proteous | jihoon feels that the browsing experience is too snappy, he wasn't to try to slow things down a little |
| 02:33.46 | Proteous | s/wasn't/wants/ |
| 02:33.46 | johnx | Proteous, I actually leave mine clocked at 400MHz most of the time |
| 02:34.03 | Proteous | is that higher or lower then normal? |
| 02:34.38 | johnx | Proteous, normally it scales up and down "as needed" but sometimes you just want maximum performance all the time and damn the consequences :) |
| 02:35.01 | Proteous | as long as one of the consequences isn't your battery catching on fire |
| 02:35.16 | johnx | no fire, just shortened battery life |
| 02:35.22 | johnx | I can live with that |
| 02:35.33 | johnx | jihoon, echo performance > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 02:35.38 | johnx | that locks it at 400MHz |
| 02:36.06 | johnx | and replace performance with ondemand to return to the default setting |
| 02:36.29 | jihoon | That is changing cpu frequency governer. |
| 02:37.13 | johnx | yes, but "performance" just locks it at the highest frequency |
| 02:37.14 | jihoon | I'd like to compare the battery consumption along to the cpu frequency |
| 02:37.32 | jihoon | ah.. |
| 02:37.46 | jihoon | ok |
| 02:37.49 | jihoon | Thank you very much |
| 02:37.53 | johnx | sure :) |
| 02:37.59 | jihoon | Have a nice day! |
| 02:38.05 | johnx | if you want to do something more complex, just look for any docs on cpufreq |
| 02:38.47 | johnx | the cpufreq on the N810 is just the normal Linux cpufreq, nothing special or different |
| 02:39.22 | jihoon | yes, but I can't find the /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_setspeed file |
| 02:41.39 | jihoon | I'll try to change the governor. |
| 02:41.44 | jihoon | Thank you johnx |
| 02:42.03 | johnx | hmm, /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_setspeed is only for the userspace governor I think |
| 02:43.16 | jihoon | ah.... |
| 02:44.13 | jihoon | n810 doesn't support userspace governor, does it? |
| 02:44.23 | johnx | the hardware does I'm sure |
| 02:44.35 | johnx | it's just not compiled for the kernel Nokia provides |
| 02:44.39 | johnx | you could compile it I'm sure |
| 02:45.01 | jihoon | oh |
| 02:45.28 | jihoon | I don't have an enough time. |
| 02:45.44 | jihoon | I'll try to change the governor. |
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| 04:03.36 | mikedep333 | hello, modest keeps crashing on me while it is running in the background. Any advice? |
| 04:03.51 | mikedep333 | *I'm on diablo |
| 04:03.59 | mikedep333 | I have some old chinook repos that I was using |
| 04:04.29 | mikedep333 | I think they are the source of the problem |
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| 04:11.32 | mouser- | Do you have a backup you could restore from and get rid of the chinook repos? |
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| 04:34.40 | mikedep333 | mouser-: no |
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| 05:34.37 | Luria | hi |
| 05:35.14 | Luria | anyone here? |
| 05:35.28 | rm_you | yes? |
| 05:35.33 | Luria | hey |
| 05:36.07 | RST38h | no |
| 05:36.13 | RST38h | rm_you: PackRat is down again |
| 05:36.15 | Luria | do you (or anyone else) know of anything i can plug in to my n8x0 to turn it into a rf spectrum analyzer |
| 05:36.22 | RST38h | rm_you: looks like crawler has got some problems |
| 05:36.26 | rm_you | RST38h: wtf... my cron job must be breaking it |
| 05:36.40 | RST38h | Luria: You can plug a spectrum analyzer into your n8x0 |
| 05:36.41 | Luria | i hadnt thought about it but a comms tech friend of mine asked about it |
| 05:36.57 | RST38h | Aside from that, no. |
| 05:37.36 | rm_you | RST38h: hrm.... crawler appears to work when i run it... |
| 05:37.45 | rm_you | RST38h: does cron run as a different user? |
| 05:37.50 | rm_you | could be permissions |
| 05:37.54 | RST38h | rm_you: probabl |
| 05:37.58 | rm_you | i'll set up the crontab to log |
| 05:38.03 | Luria | was thinking along the carman - sensor plus n8x0 as display - approach |
| 05:38.11 | RST38h | rm_you: the thing is, it looks like crawler clears the database tables but never fills them |
| 05:38.16 | rm_you | right |
| 05:38.28 | RST38h | Luria: Yes, but that sensor is going to contain the whole spectrum analyzer |
| 05:38.46 | Luria | sure |
| 05:39.05 | Luria | im sure the it would suck at the math |
| 05:39.43 | Luria | essentially, then, i guess im looking for a armel linux friendly usb spec analyzer |
| 05:40.21 | Luria | its a pretty specific question, so i thought id start here, esp. if anyone's ever tried such a thing |
| 05:41.18 | derf | I'm not aware that anyone in the community has tried such a thing. |
| 05:42.07 | derf | I'd think you could find stuff fairly cheap to at least do the wifi spectrum... not sure how useful that would be for what you have in mind. |
| 05:42.56 | Luria | well, for his purposes, he was looking at 2.4ghz interference with wireless mics in a broadcast studio |
| 05:43.02 | Luria | in fact |
| 05:43.20 | Luria | google tells me this is pretty interesting http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5193 |
| 05:44.02 | Luria | as a ham, i was thinking much more broadband, but a start is a start |
| 05:44.23 | derf | Well, my company builds multi-million dollar RF collection and analysis systems. |
| 05:45.03 | rm_you | RST38h: k well, fixed for now... need to figure out what is going on |
| 05:45.04 | Luria | out of my budget :-) |
| 05:45.09 | derf | I don't think the N810 will ever get that broadband... |
| 05:45.33 | RST38h | derf: He just wants access to the sampling buffer via USB |
| 05:45.35 | derf | ...though for a few hundred bucks I think you can get a 500 MHz A/D the size of a postage stamp these days. |
| 05:45.53 | Luria | exactly |
| 05:46.36 | derf | Never mind that the N810 couldn't actually process that much data in real time. |
| 05:46.49 | Luria | was wondering if there is a cheapish usb dongle option out there that will communicate in some sort of format that i can parse |
| 05:46.56 | RST38h | Oh yess: http://www.ljplus.ru/img4/s/u/sunlightphoto/mashinka1.JPG (check out the tag) |
| 05:47.09 | RST38h | derf: does not have to |
| 05:47.24 | RST38h | derf: just has to present the data to the user and this does not happen too often |
| 05:48.01 | Luria | nice paint job |
| 05:48.38 | RST38h | and from another viewpoint: http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v192/privratnik/?action=view¤t=VOLVOinMoscow_2.jpg |
| 05:49.18 | Luria | from that 1st pic, the tones reminded me of the mystic paint mustang |
| 05:54.00 | Luria | now that i think about it, it would have been fun to have the wispy setup for DEFCON |
| 05:55.00 | robink | Boost for Maemo? |
| 05:55.30 | robink | It's not in any of the repositories and I can't find it by searching maemo.org. |
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| 05:56.23 | rm_you | RST38h: ohsit |
| 05:56.28 | rm_you | *ohshit |
| 05:56.36 | rm_you | DBD::mysql::db do failed: MySQL server has gone away at ./Crawler.pl line 187. |
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| 05:59.11 | Macer | wow |
| 05:59.17 | Macer | this many people here? :) |
| 05:59.25 | Macer | is anybody actually around? |
| 05:59.30 | bef0rd | no |
| 05:59.31 | elekt | nah |
| 05:59.34 | Macer | hah |
| 05:59.34 | johnx | totally not |
| 05:59.40 | rm_you | nope |
| 05:59.45 | Macer | anybody have any place where i can learn how to cross compile for the n800 |
| 05:59.52 | bef0rd | ~sdk |
| 05:59.53 | infobot | Software Development Kit |
| 05:59.56 | johnx | ~scratchbox |
| 05:59.57 | infobot | from memory, scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/ |
| 06:00.10 | Macer | i looked at that but it requires an i386 based box |
| 06:00.22 | johnx | Macer, so what are you on? |
| 06:00.23 | bef0rd | it should include a guide to the maemo SDK link |
| 06:00.46 | Macer | i tried the scripts.. kept telling me that it won't work unless it's on an i386 |
| 06:01.05 | johnx | Macer, what machine are you on? PPC? x86_64? |
| 06:01.07 | Macer | i have an amd64 gentoo box |
| 06:01.14 | Macer | a macbook.. and my n800 |
| 06:01.31 | Macer | i was trying to install gcc in diablo or some type of dev stuff but no luck |
| 06:01.32 | johnx | and do you use gentoo x86_64 or gentoo i386? |
| 06:01.40 | Macer | x86_64 ;) |
| 06:01.45 | Macer | it has 8G in it |
| 06:01.59 | Macer | needed the 64bit stuff |
| 06:02.05 | elekt | of course |
| 06:02.10 | johnx | an i386 chroot and removal of the check in the script should work fine for you |
| 06:02.39 | Macer | hm.. does this require a linux box or can i use fbsd for it? |
| 06:02.54 | Macer | i have an i386 fbsd box |
| 06:02.58 | johnx | infobot, maemo-sdk is the development environment for the Nokia Internet Tablets, found here: http://maemo.org/development/ |
| 06:02.59 | infobot | johnx: okay |
| 06:03.20 | johnx | I think that way it uses binfmt-misc is pretty linux specific |
| 06:03.54 | Macer | i already went there johnx .. tried to install on my n800 and my amd64 gentoo box |
| 06:03.59 | Macer | requires an i386 based install |
| 06:04.11 | elekt | is itt down? |
| 06:04.14 | Macer | i might just go ahead and make an i386 debian box |
| 06:04.20 | elekt | or slow? |
| 06:04.27 | johnx | i386 chroot and a quick hack to the install script really should work |
| 06:04.39 | Macer | think it's down |
| 06:04.40 | johnx | I used a 64bit kernel and a 32bit chroot, so I don't see the difference... |
| 06:04.53 | Macer | do i just copy the libs? |
| 06:04.56 | johnx | s/chroot/linux install/g |
| 06:05.09 | johnx | copy what libs to where? |
| 06:05.16 | Macer | to the chroot |
| 06:05.26 | Macer | i'd probably have to rebuild everything for that |
| 06:05.36 | johnx | a 32bit chroot, as in, install gentoo 32bit or debian 32bit or whatever into a chroot |
| 06:05.47 | Macer | haha |
| 06:06.02 | johnx | there's a painless debian/ubuntu tool for doing that but I have no idea about how to do it in gentoo |
| 06:06.02 | Macer | installing debian in a vm would take 1/4th the time ;) |
| 06:06.22 | Macer | yeah.. gentoo is a bitch sometimes |
| 06:06.23 | johnx | but wouldn't get you native speeds :shrug: |
| 06:06.33 | Macer | that's fine.. it's a dual dual core w/8G |
| 06:06.47 | Macer | :) i'm patient for developing maemo apps |
| 06:06.50 | johnx | if you're going down the vm route there's a prepared one |
| 06:07.00 | Macer | wow serious? |
| 06:07.08 | Macer | and yes.. itt is down |
| 06:07.24 | Macer | what i would give for a gentoo install for armel |
| 06:07.30 | Macer | with a portage tree |
| 06:07.34 | johnx | Macer, ahaha...so make one |
| 06:07.43 | Macer | i was honestly thnking about it |
| 06:07.44 | johnx | there's plenty of info available |
| 06:07.55 | johnx | would this be to run in qemu or on the device itself? |
| 06:07.58 | Macer | since it builds |
| 06:08.09 | Macer | .... might be kinda slow huh? :) |
| 06:08.12 | johnx | http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ if you end up on the vm route |
| 06:08.13 | bef0rd | is the vm updated with a diablo sdk? |
| 06:08.20 | johnx | bef0rd, good question |
| 06:08.23 | johnx | looks |
| 06:09.47 | Macer | wow.. that's awesome johnx |
| 06:09.57 | johnx | I think it's aimed at chinook still :/ |
| 06:10.08 | johnx | you'd have to upgrade the sdk after you opened it... |
| 06:10.25 | Macer | heh |
| 06:10.45 | Macer | anybody here running kde on it? |
| 06:11.11 | johnx | someone asked that the other day I think |
| 06:11.13 | Macer | i booted from the internal SD (8G) and installed kde on it... which is great because now i can use koffice and print from my n800 |
| 06:11.25 | johnx | but seriously, the only thing you have to do on it is compile things |
| 06:11.28 | Macer | (as well as konqueror which is horrible) |
| 06:11.31 | johnx | the rest of the dev work can be on the host |
| 06:11.34 | pupnik | that is a noteworthy feature |
| 06:11.40 | johnx | aaah...kde on their tablet |
| 06:11.41 | johnx | I see |
| 06:11.51 | Macer | yeah.. for using it as a wannabe laptop w/printing |
| 06:11.58 | Macer | i was able to print from it to my networked laser printer |
| 06:12.09 | Macer | i want to ditch my laptop and use my n800/su8w for school |
| 06:12.14 | johnx | I have debian on mine, in fact I should start digging back into making sound work again... |
| 06:12.36 | Macer | only thing that is messed up is kopete doesn't have ssl support |
| 06:13.05 | Macer | i guess they couldn't figure out how to build the qca tls qt stuff |
| 06:14.33 | Macer | which is all i really want to do |
| 06:14.59 | Macer | although i want to build my own kde with more of a bare install and host debs for kde apps |
| 06:15.22 | Macer | the 2G kde that they have out is rather overdone :) lots of redundant apps |
| 06:15.41 | johnx | so, are you thinking of being in kde full-time? or switching back and forth? |
| 06:15.45 | Macer | i don't see why a kde install would have vsirc and kopete |
| 06:16.08 | Macer | i wouldn't mind going full time kde if there were a better browser |
| 06:16.31 | Macer | and a build of kopete or pidgin that supported ssl with google talk |
| 06:16.36 | johnx | always the stumbling block... |
| 06:16.43 | Macer | i'd perfer kopete ;) |
| 06:16.56 | Macer | kopete has a nicer interface |
| 06:17.37 | johnx | all comes down to opinion :) |
| 06:18.07 | Macer | yeah i suppose.... kde has its flaws on an n800.. mostly screen size/res problems with certain windows.. although alt+drag helps |
| 06:18.28 | Macer | but kde gives it a lot more functionality as an office device |
| 06:18.55 | Macer | i'd love to see video codecs for the camera too... like maybe something that would support aim video |
| 06:19.10 | johnx | what linux app does aim video? |
| 06:19.17 | Macer | none |
| 06:19.18 | Macer | ;) |
| 06:19.19 | johnx | cause access to the camera is just standard v4l2 |
| 06:19.33 | Macer | gizmo is the only app i've seen on the n800 that works for video |
| 06:20.19 | Macer | gizmo doesn't seem to work over cingular 3G ...i don't know if it's a problem with the protocol they use or with att |
| 06:20.19 | bef0rd | yea and gaim-vv seems to be dead since a couple years ago |
| 06:20.22 | johnx | I've heard about amsn as well |
| 06:20.39 | johnx | well att wishes that voip didn't exist :) |
| 06:20.48 | johnx | that might have something to do with it too... |
| 06:20.50 | Macer | i dunno about that |
| 06:21.01 | Macer | fring + skype works on my n95 |
| 06:21.12 | Macer | when i tether the n800 it doesn't seem to work for gizmo. but skype still works |
| 06:21.27 | Macer | skype works for audio i should say.. gizmo won't connect at all.. i think it's a sip thing |
| 06:21.37 | johnx | hmm |
| 06:21.49 | Macer | no video support on n800 for skype :) kinda sucks |
| 06:21.51 | bef0rd | I believe skype uses some procedures to disguise traffic as HTTP |
| 06:22.06 | Macer | yeah.. that's what i heard.. att probably blocks sip traffic |
| 06:22.08 | johnx | Macer, we know. Skype doesn't love us enough :) |
| 06:22.25 | Macer | those bastards :) |
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| 06:22.56 | Macer | gizmo video works pretty well over wifi though.... unfortunately.. there are situations where i require video calling over the 3G connection (that doesn't work) |
| 06:23.30 | Macer | but kde on n800 is awesome.. i was actually suprised at how well it worked |
| 06:23.38 | bef0rd | I think Linux Skype doesnt support video either |
| 06:23.40 | Macer | i think i'm going to try to find a ff armel build |
| 06:23.46 | Macer | no. it doesn't ;) |
| 06:23.48 | bef0rd | desktop linux I mean |
| 06:23.58 | Macer | at least not one that i've seen |
| 06:24.06 | Macer | although i don't usually use skype on my linux box |
| 06:24.48 | Macer | wow the n800 would be awesome if skype supported video ;) |
| 06:25.41 | johnx | yeah...the skype guys really need to get their act together :/ |
| 06:25.43 | Macer | ah well.. sorry i'm so blahblah. been drinking bacardi and i'm a little talkative |
| 06:25.47 | bef0rd | we should harass them as the ubuntu users did with foxconn |
| 06:25.51 | johnx | no problems |
| 06:25.51 | bef0rd | :P |
| 06:26.01 | Macer | heh... but i'm blad there's a maemo # |
| 06:26.02 | johnx | it's quiet here anyways |
| 06:26.05 | Macer | with actual people here |
| 06:26.16 | Macer | nobody understands my obsession haha |
| 06:26.28 | Macer | i am going to get an n810 just for the qewrty |
| 06:26.30 | Macer | qwerty |
| 06:26.38 | Luria | Macer, i just did that |
| 06:26.50 | Macer | got the n810 for the qwerty? |
| 06:26.57 | Macer | i'm so sick of pecking at this thing :) |
| 06:27.00 | Luria | yeah |
| 06:27.13 | Luria | lost my foldable kybd and bt gps |
| 06:27.27 | Macer | i have an su8w |
| 06:27.35 | Macer | it's great but it's kinda irritating to use sometimes |
| 06:27.46 | Luria | and i was able to buy a n810 on CL for $250 |
| 06:27.56 | Macer | wow really? |
| 06:28.00 | Macer | that's not bad at all |
| 06:28.07 | Luria | with 4gb sdhc too |
| 06:28.20 | bef0rd | I need a foldable kb too |
| 06:28.39 | Luria | so, i figured an extra $150 for a new it was better than replacing |
| 06:28.53 | Macer | yeah |
| 06:29.04 | Macer | i'm sure the n810s qwerty is awesome |
| 06:29.05 | Luria | actually i like n810+occasional BT apple kybd use |
| 06:29.23 | Macer | it's nice when you're doing a lot of typing |
| 06:29.25 | Luria | its not foldable, but it fits in a knapsack |
| 06:29.36 | Macer | but sucks when you are just typing for a few secs |
| 06:29.45 | Macer | and keep turning it off and on and off and on |
| 06:30.09 | Luria | which is why the n810 kybd is good |
| 06:30.33 | Luria | also, the screen was a big improvement |
| 06:30.53 | Macer | doesn't it have the same screen as an n800? |
| 06:31.01 | Macer | same res and size |
| 06:31.11 | Luria | transflective |
| 06:31.35 | Macer | i bought a cover for my n800 for that |
| 06:31.36 | Macer | ;) |
| 06:31.44 | Luria | not the same |
| 06:32.08 | Macer | i guess not heh |
| 06:32.18 | Luria | you can read the screen without the led backlight |
| 06:32.26 | Luria | helps the battery life too |
| 06:32.45 | Luria | cause i find you can use lower brightness settings |
| 06:32.59 | Macer | hm... going for $350 new |
| 06:33.03 | Macer | i think i'll buy one this week |
| 06:33.11 | Macer | wonder what i should do with my n800 :) |
| 06:33.18 | elekt | gimme |
| 06:33.35 | Macer | how difficult is it to type on the qwerty |
| 06:33.50 | Luria | not great, not bad. needs more key travel. |
| 06:33.58 | Macer | hm |
| 06:34.09 | Macer | i just hope it's not frustrating to use |
| 06:34.17 | Macer | does it still have an onscreen when it's not flipped open? |
| 06:34.24 | Luria | i've only had it a few days, so i need to acclimate |
| 06:34.25 | Luria | yes |
| 06:34.39 | Macer | and when you slide it out the onscreen goes away i'm guessing? |
| 06:34.50 | aspect | this has got to be a stupid question: how do I determine which OS version I'm running? |
| 06:34.55 | Macer | no d pad on the front :) |
| 06:35.19 | johnx | aspect, settings -> control panel -> about |
| 06:35.22 | Macer | i wish the d pad was a little better built.. it's rather small and playing the neogeo emulator is kinda a pain |
| 06:35.44 | Macer | ok. it was nice talking to all of you... i'm going to sleep |
| 06:35.47 | Macer | take care |
| 06:35.51 | johnx | I really have no idea why nokia has so many problems making a decent d-pad |
| 06:36.05 | johnx | 'night Macer :) |
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| 06:36.44 | bef0rd | yea, i've had a lot of fun with iNes but my hand hurts after a while :P |
| 06:36.54 | aspect | johnx: thanks. Can you also explain to me the relation between OS2008 and Chinook/Diablo? |
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| 06:37.12 | johnx | Chinook and Diablo are both "OS2008" |
| 06:37.14 | Luria | i wish there were a mini d-pad on the front of the n810 |
| 06:37.29 | johnx | chinook was earlier in the year, and diablo is the current release |
| 06:37.47 | johnx | software compatibility between them is very high |
| 06:38.03 | Luria | note the incremental letter change |
| 06:38.36 | aspect | so they use different repositories? |
| 06:38.50 | bef0rd | yes |
| 06:38.57 | Luria | they should, but many chinook things will run on diablo |
| 06:39.02 | Luria | fwiw |
| 06:39.14 | johnx | yes, but you can often use packages from chinook repositories without anything bad happening |
| 06:40.03 | aspect | great. is there somewhere I can see a list of repositories? browsing around maemo.org doesn't seem to enlighten me -- maybe I'm missing something obvious |
| 06:40.55 | johnx | aspect, http://ageofikon.info/packrat/ and http://gronmayer.com/it |
| 06:41.26 | aspect | thanks |
| 06:41.43 | Luria | gronmeyer ftw. it will even package an install file with your repo selections |
| 06:42.14 | Luria | which touches on a rant of mine - why does the package manager still suck (slowly) |
| 06:42.58 | aspect | ah, the second link even differentiates between chinook and diablo! |
| 06:43.11 | Luria | yes |
| 06:43.12 | johnx | Luria, because the people smart enough to fix it just use apt-get |
| 06:43.30 | Luria | yeah, yeah |
| 06:43.42 | Luria | wasnt there an aptitude port |
| 06:43.54 | aspect | thanks a lot -- I feel I've got a much better idea of what the hell's going on now :-) |
| 06:44.09 | Luria | (please dont tell me about apt-cache search, i know how to use debian) |
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| 06:44.36 | johnx | Luria, I was thinking of trying a compile of gdebi at least |
| 06:44.46 | johnx | that might help a lot of use cases... |
| 06:45.48 | Luria | maybe, but aptitude is supposed to be used for everything now b/c of dependancy checking |
| 06:46.12 | johnx | but gdebi is so nice and graphical... |
| 06:46.27 | johnx | ah, you mean gdebi depends on aptitude? |
| 06:46.31 | Luria | truth be told, most of my aptitude use is command line only |
| 06:46.42 | Luria | no, i mean... (finding link) |
| 06:46.55 | johnx | I was mainly thinking that gdebi would be helpful for mid-experienced users |
| 06:47.08 | johnx | still uncomfortable with the command line, but not afraid to take some risks |
| 06:47.59 | Luria | which is why they should just fix the gui package mgr :-) |
| 06:48.41 | johnx | but gdebi does dependency fetching of packages that aren't part of a repo |
| 06:48.45 | johnx | that's the major benefit |
| 06:48.49 | Luria | http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/aptitude |
| 06:49.08 | Luria | it was the auto remove of unused libs |
| 06:49.18 | Luria | with aptitude |
| 06:50.22 | johnx | I think they bumped the apt version from chinook->diablo |
| 06:50.27 | johnx | so aptitude should be a lot easier |
| 06:50.48 | Luria | i just checked on my diablo n810 |
| 06:51.04 | Luria | apt-get doesnt list auto remove |
| 06:51.09 | pupnik | i still think it's so cool that n810 dosbox supports joysticks... http://junk.kegetys.net/mobile_gaming.jpg |
| 06:51.13 | pupnik | ty Kegetys |
| 06:51.34 | johnx | wow pupnik...just wow |
| 06:51.52 | pupnik | i didn't know it worked :) |
| 06:52.20 | aspect | pupnik: that's a c64 in the background! |
| 06:52.51 | Luria | someone in manhattan has to sell female-female usb a adapters, dammit |
| 06:53.07 | pupnik | i had to search a while to find one online |
| 06:53.26 | bef0rd | I made it myself lol |
| 06:53.27 | Luria | i can find it online no problem, |
| 06:53.32 | bef0rd | it looks horrible, but works |
| 06:53.35 | Luria | but i'd like it before defcon |
| 06:53.45 | Luria | and i fly on the 7th |
| 06:54.13 | pupnik | sacrifice two usb cables then |
| 06:54.20 | Luria | on the n810, thats all i need, right? |
| 06:54.42 | pupnik | i've used one to talk to a usb wifi stick |
| 06:54.57 | pupnik | never tried joysticks |
| 06:57.33 | aspect | arg another question: from the "About product" screen (or elsewhere), how do I tell apart Chinook and Diablo? |
| 06:58.51 | Luria | what does it say under version? |
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| 06:59.26 | aspect | 4.2008.23-14 |
| 06:59.39 | aspect | I guess that's Diablo, going by advice from Boingo via google :) |
| 06:59.45 | Luria | diablo it is |
| 07:00.59 | aspect | I guess that's good :-). Pity it was so obscure for me to discover, but I feel a bit more oriented now. Thanks again. |
| 07:01.56 | Luria | also, you can check from the command line |
| 07:01.59 | Luria | uname -a |
| 07:07.57 | aspect | again, only if you know 23-14 means diablo |
| 07:09.15 | Luria | look at the date tho |
| 07:09.21 | Luria | june 08 |
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| 07:09.57 | aspect | ah yes. that's easier to infer |
| 07:10.21 | aspect | I feel rather silly for not looking at uname first :P .. cheers |
| 07:10.35 | Luria | sometimes the cli is easier than the gui :-) |
| 07:10.36 | GNUton | Hello |
| 07:11.08 | johnx | though uname isn't always a silver bullet...the kernel stayed the same between 50-2 and 51-3 |
| 07:11.28 | Luria | can anyone recommend a usb rj-45 adapter for the n810 |
| 07:11.44 | Luria | i know one chipset is in kernel |
| 07:12.12 | Luria | would like to do the least amount of work, tho promisc mode is a necessity |
| 07:12.17 | aspect | johnx: I guess my real question is then, where do these numbers come from? |
| 07:12.30 | johnx | 23 is the week number of the year |
| 07:12.35 | johnx | 23rd week |
| 07:12.36 | Luria | unsigned integers |
| 07:13.02 | johnx | but it's not quite the date it was released to the public, so much as the "final internal build" I think |
| 07:14.28 | aspect | I think I know enough -- any more will just confuse/frustrate me further :-) |
| 07:20.06 | Luria | no one can recommend a usb-rj-45 dongle? |
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| 07:31.03 | RST38h | Luria: You mean a network adapter? |
| 07:31.55 | Luria | yeah, i see the usb100m is good |
| 07:32.07 | Luria | finally found the howto |
| 07:32.18 | RST38h | Luria: google for n810 network adapter. |
| 07:33.01 | Luria | yeah, i found it. linksys usb100m. |
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| 07:45.08 | pupnik | innteresting |
| 07:45.32 | Luria | are there any firewalls for maemo? |
| 07:45.57 | johnx | Luria, iptables |
| 07:46.04 | johnx | or do you mean a frontend? |
| 07:46.09 | Luria | no pf, huh. |
| 07:46.28 | Luria | frontend would be nice, but i can actually get away with 1194 only |
| 07:46.36 | Luria | udp at that |
| 07:46.45 | Luria | plus dns |
| 07:46.53 | johnx | if it runs on desktop linux it would be easy to compile... |
| 07:47.02 | Luria | so its not a complicated set |
| 07:47.49 | Luria | was hoping for a repo, just cause it makes maintaining things easier |
| 07:48.01 | johnx | what are you looking for? pf? |
| 07:48.28 | Luria | pf, ipfw |
| 07:48.34 | Luria | err |
| 07:48.40 | johnx | uhm, isn't pf bsd? |
| 07:48.52 | Luria | yeah, but its ported everywhere |
| 07:49.17 | johnx | I don't think many people even run firewalls on their tablets |
| 07:49.34 | johnx | kind of a niche market given that there are no ports open by default... |
| 07:49.37 | Luria | its kinda an issue for me this week |
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| 07:52.15 | Luria | id rather not get pwned at defcon |
| 07:52.22 | johnx | ahaha |
| 07:52.32 | johnx | I was actually just thinking that |
| 07:52.36 | Luria | now you see |
| 07:52.54 | johnx | "There's like *one* situation in all the world where you'd need a firewall on a tablet..." |
| 07:53.01 | Luria | plus i do have sshd, but thats easily fixed |
| 07:53.09 | Luria | bet you thought i was nuts |
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| 07:53.29 | johnx | nah, I thought you were just overly paranoid or possibly confused about the use of firewalls |
| 07:53.59 | johnx | still, can't you turn off the services while at defcon? |
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| 07:54.15 | Luria | uh, when i specified dns and 1194/udp only, i can understand paranoid, but not understanding firewalls? |
| 07:54.40 | johnx | eh, I'm too used to answering questions on iTT... |
| 07:54.46 | Luria | remember, this is a place where machines were rooted via wifi drivers |
| 07:55.00 | johnx | "I need a firewall so if someone gives me the viruses they can't steal my credit cardz" |
| 07:55.05 | Luria | heh |
| 07:55.12 | bef0rd | there was somebody here saying that if you were going to defcon and wanted to talk with nokia/maemo security guys talk to him |
| 07:55.38 | Luria | damn, ive been asking. any chance you remember who? |
| 07:56.09 | bef0rd | let me check irc logs |
| 07:56.23 | Luria | i taught someone wep cracking and explained arp poisioning tonight. she was shocked... but grasped quite a bit for not being a real computer user. |
| 07:56.44 | Luria | also showed why vpns on the go are handy... |
| 07:57.06 | bef0rd | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=defcon |
| 07:57.17 | bef0rd | avs |
| 07:57.33 | Luria | yeah, cool, thanks |
| 07:58.11 | johnx | looks like there's some iptables modules from a totally unknown source here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20866 |
| 07:58.16 | johnx | :D |
| 07:58.26 | Luria | uh huh :-) |
| 07:59.28 | Luria | aw christ, i may actually have to use my scratchbox debian machine |
| 07:59.34 | Luria | havent touched it since 07 |
| 07:59.34 | johnx | heh |
| 07:59.41 | johnx | should be pretty straightforward |
| 07:59.57 | Luria | did hello world, was glad it worked, and then left the machine humming |
| 08:00.26 | Luria | i think its in an unitentional competition with my openbsd box |
| 08:00.46 | johnx | to see which machine can attract the least use? |
| 08:00.50 | Luria | yup |
| 08:00.58 | Luria | and longest uptime |
| 08:01.09 | johnx | heh...I had a samba server that kinda won that one a long time ago |
| 08:01.19 | Luria | they idle really reliably |
| 08:01.32 | johnx | they serve files really reliably given a simple setup |
| 08:01.40 | Luria | true |
| 08:01.57 | johnx | so reliably that after you leave the people who still use it tend to forget where it was physically located |
| 08:02.12 | Luria | i read bash.org too :-) |
| 08:02.19 | johnx | hmm? |
| 08:02.23 | Luria | ive thought of moving my vpn from my wrt54gs to the bsd machine a number of times |
| 08:02.25 | Luria | oh |
| 08:03.08 | johnx | holds up his hand |
| 08:03.11 | johnx | scouts honor |
| 08:03.12 | Luria | bash.org/?5273 |
| 08:03.16 | johnx | actually happened to me though |
| 08:03.45 | Luria | http://josh.st/blog/2005/11/02/literally-lost |
| 08:03.48 | johnx | it wasn't at someone's house though, it was at my old high school's campus |
| 08:03.54 | Luria | this isnt you, huh |
| 08:04.02 | johnx | nope |
| 08:04.18 | bef0rd | haha /me reads bash.org too |
| 08:04.51 | Luria | sigh, mac authentication. i mean, really? |
| 08:05.15 | johnx | I set up a dead simple samba server for the year book class at my old high school. I graduated. They emailed me like 2 years later. "So, uhm the old server, where exactly was it?" |
| 08:06.07 | Luria | heh, part of my intro to wep was my explaining that 1)blank ssids, 2)mac whitelisting and 3)turning off dhcp are useless |
| 08:06.30 | Luria | how much did you charge them to answer :-) |
| 08:06.56 | johnx | not useless, it just means that whoever hacks you knows a little bit about what they're doing. You wouldn't want someone to do a half-assed job hacking you. :) Think of it as an entrance exam |
| 08:07.43 | johnx | I was on vacation, checked my mail when I got back and they had already sent a "nevermind, found it" message |
| 08:08.08 | Luria | i suppose, though i know a network guy who was leeching, and told me his neighbor turned off dhcp... he was proud that he remembered the dhcp settings... |
| 08:08.20 | Luria | i was laughing at him, a bit |
| 08:09.36 | Luria | speaking of trivial hacks... i was looking at local APs today |
| 08:10.21 | Luria | and i cracked one, and noticed the ssid was two hex pairs from the middle of the mac |
| 08:10.58 | Luria | then i noticed the wep key was the MAC, with the last pair -2, plus 14 zeros appended |
| 08:11.26 | johnx | wow |
| 08:11.31 | johnx | that's pretty bad |
| 08:11.32 | Luria | wait |
| 08:11.37 | Luria | it gets much better |
| 08:11.41 | johnx | heh |
| 08:11.50 | Luria | i then connected to another smc router, with the same mac/ssid scheme |
| 08:12.12 | Luria | and guessed the wep based on this "algorithm" |
| 08:12.18 | Luria | lo and behold |
| 08:12.52 | Luria | so, when i was giving my wep explaination, i said, lets crack yours (she lives across the street) |
| 08:13.01 | Luria | so i asked, whats your ssid |
| 08:13.23 | Luria | she said, i dont remember, but it's four letters or numbers |
| 08:13.40 | Luria | i said, let me guess, you have to type in 14 zeros... |
| 08:13.47 | Luria | her jaw dropped |
| 08:14.04 | Luria | apparently, time warner has done this all over nyc |
| 08:14.13 | johnx | oh wow |
| 08:14.45 | johnx | it's one thing if it's a small number of routers, because all it takes is a slight variation to at least force someone to crack the key |
| 08:14.53 | Luria | if you see an smc id and a 4 char ssid, its guaranteed to work |
| 08:15.08 | Luria | cause clearly, they never touched the config page |
| 08:15.37 | Luria | time warner has got to be at least %40 of the nyc broadband market |
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| 08:16.21 | Luria | i guess they did it for the l1 techs who are walking people through connecting laptops |
| 08:17.00 | johnx | and it would be fine if it were like 100 routers in the whole city...but once you hit a certain threshold... |
| 08:18.18 | Luria | they should xor it with their phone number or something |
| 08:19.21 | johnx | yeah, I can just imagine the L1 techs, "And uhm, now write out your phone number LSB first..." |
| 08:19.52 | Luria | the tech will have the subscriber number |
| 08:20.03 | johnx | nah, that'd be cheating |
| 08:20.08 | Luria | they can do the math on the custserv side |
| 08:20.24 | johnx | if they can't teach customers to XOR they shouldn't be working in tech |
| 08:21.29 | Luria | i promised to help her with her network, but i think ive worked on one of these modem+router POSes before |
| 08:21.48 | Luria | you cant do anything |
| 08:22.17 | Luria | if you are lucky, you can turn it into a bridge and then build/buy a real ap and router |
| 08:23.01 | Luria | loves confusing the l1 techs when they ask which OS he runs |
| 08:23.42 | Luria | it also usually gets you bumped up :-) |
| 08:29.57 | Luria | you know, i bet the admin pass is also mac based |
| 08:30.12 | Luria | makes mental notes |
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| 08:47.54 | ITalodance | damn i got this problem |
| 08:47.54 | ITalodance | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22313 |
| 08:48.01 | ITalodance | someone can help me please? |
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| 08:53.21 | pupnik | good question ITalodance |
| 08:54.40 | pupnik | "change the Catalogue Distribution from blank to 4.1 and chinook to 4.0" ... whatever that means |
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| 08:58.45 | zap | try gentoo |
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| 09:02.02 | kpel | hi |
| 09:02.40 | lbt | my device only recognises 6 partitions on my mmc card - known problem? |
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| 09:05.47 | qwerty12 | is feeling in classic mode. I'll probably dig out the ut99 cd's later. Be nice if the OpenUT code compiled in sbox... |
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| 09:06.52 | qwerty12 | lbt: I'm pretty sure bootmenu is limited to 4 based on my observations when initfs modding |
| 09:10.33 | lbt | 4 partitions? |
| 09:10.50 | lbt | can the device only boot from primary partitions? |
| 09:11.09 | qwerty12 | There are only device nodes for 4 partitions in /dev. Infact by default, it's only 2 partitions, fanoush adds the other 2 |
| 09:11.17 | qwerty12 | */mnt/initfs/dev |
| 09:11.45 | lbt | ah, I was looking at /proc/partitions |
| 09:11.51 | lbt | which may explain things :) |
| 09:11.58 | lbt | I shall check /dev too |
| 09:12.01 | lbt | mknod is OK |
| 09:12.19 | lbt | but, even in /proc/partitions the kernel only sees 7 |
| 09:12.26 | lbt | on my desktop there are 9 |
| 09:12.58 | lbt | (data, spare, extended, everyday, debian, tst1, t2,t3, t4) |
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| 09:19.10 | qwerty12 | ~lart cal-tool for making me chroot |
| 09:19.10 | infobot | pries cal-tool's back open with a screwdriver and flashes a new bootldr to cal-tool for making me chroot |
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| 09:22.46 | Luria | wow you guys are nuts with the partitions |
| 09:26.56 | lbt | Not really: I want to have multiple clean environments to test package installations. |
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| 09:29.52 | lbt | it is a problem though. The 2nd mmc looks like it starts at major/minor 254/8 |
| 09:29.58 | lbt | bleh |
| 09:33.13 | ITalodance | pupnik |
| 09:33.13 | ITalodance | blank to 4.1 and chinook to 4.0? which one? |
| 09:33.13 | ITalodance | i did it but nothing |
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| 09:33.43 | pupnik | ITalodance: i don't understand it sorry |
| 09:33.59 | qwerty12 | ffs, openlierox isn't showing in my application manager despite me having the diablo extras-devel there. shitty application manager. |
| 09:34.30 | Spaceman-N810 | I don't understand why, but i'm sooo tempted to buy gizmo out credit even though i have a cellphone |
| 09:35.18 | ITalodance | pupnik my Catalog can't find maemo extras |
| 09:35.46 | pupnik | you people fix the problems with diablo, and i'll upgrade when most IT users are running it |
| 09:36.04 | qwerty12 | There was me thinking they were... |
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| 09:53.08 | blafasel | juergbi: Will you be at the maemo summit in Berlin? |
| 09:54.23 | juergbi | blafasel: no, i won't be there |
| 09:55.58 | rm_you | stupid light sensor <_< |
| 09:56.37 | rm_you | pupnik: yeah, i thought like 99% of us devs were using diablo now... |
| 09:57.18 | rm_you | hrm well, sleep time.... |
| 09:57.30 | rm_you | hopes he doesnt have a wicked hangover in the morning |
| 09:58.56 | liri | anyone with an N800/N810 from Europe? or anywhere else outside the US |
| 10:00.17 | Veggen | sure. |
| 10:01.19 | liri | I'm wondering about the power supply/adapter which originally comes for a US plug |
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| 10:02.13 | aquatix | liri: what do you want to know? |
| 10:02.24 | Veggen | "originally"? It comes in different versions. |
| 10:02.25 | qwerty12 | On my N800 at least, it uses the nokia standard port for charging, if you get the wrong one, you could easily buy a new one from a local phone shop. |
| 10:02.34 | aquatix | got a US n810 and has bought a dutch plug for it |
| 10:02.47 | aquatix | yeah, nokia n-series plug |
| 10:02.58 | aquatix | not the older, bigger one |
| 10:03.23 | Veggen | I got a normal norwegian one. |
| 10:03.28 | qwerty12 | The older ones were much better than the n-series ones. |
| 10:04.04 | qwerty12 | My older ones still work, I've broken both my thin ones. My N800 is only surviving because my sister let me use her charger. |
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| 10:04.26 | aquatix | qwerty12: :) |
| 10:04.33 | bef0rd | how did you break them? |
| 10:04.44 | aquatix | qwerty12: there are cheap 3rd party chargers |
| 10:05.10 | aquatix | yeah, i'm curious |
| 10:05.16 | aquatix | i've mine in my backpack |
| 10:05.19 | aquatix | and it's still fine |
| 10:05.20 | qwerty12 | bef0rd: They break after a while, they are pretty weak. I broke one by dropping my N800 onto the carpeted floor :rolleyes: |
| 10:05.24 | aquatix | *knocks on wood* |
| 10:05.37 | aquatix | yeah, that you shouldn't do ;) |
| 10:05.40 | qwerty12 | aquatix: yeah, probably get one of those. probably made a lot better than nokia's crap |
| 10:05.40 | Veggen | aquatix: it's more likely to break if you use it while plugged in. |
| 10:05.52 | Veggen | I often do. |
| 10:05.53 | aquatix | Veggen: yeah, figured :) |
| 10:06.02 | qwerty12 | aquatix: still doesn't deter from the fact that they are weak |
| 10:06.09 | aquatix | true |
| 10:06.13 | aquatix | tiny :/ |
| 10:06.21 | aquatix | as a lot of stuff is nowadays |
| 10:06.34 | qwerty12 | My N-Gage charger still is going strong. My Sony Ericsson charger has never broken. |
| 10:07.42 | aquatix | the old SE chargers you had to make a "break" gesture with to unplug |
| 10:07.47 | aquatix | quite interesting :) |
| 10:08.02 | qwerty12 | Ha, my mum still does that with her T630 :D |
| 10:08.06 | aquatix | never broke indeed |
| 10:08.09 | aquatix | yeah |
| 10:08.29 | qwerty12 | Fastport was an improvement though. Not like Nokia with their move to the thin port. |
| 10:08.53 | qwerty12 | I'll see if any shops sell a converter for the old charger to new charger. |
| 10:09.12 | aquatix | try dealextreme.com |
| 10:09.28 | qwerty12 | Thanks |
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| 10:18.23 | RST38h | qwerty |
| 10:19.08 | qwerty12 | RST38h |
| 10:21.19 | liri | aquatix: I'm getting mine from ebay so the plug is for the US but I will connect it to a European electricity network. |
| 10:21.38 | qwerty12 | Does rpsize=1024,rpuid=0,rpuid=30000 get set at initfs time? |
| 10:22.50 | liri | aquatix: is it ok to just put a converter on the end of the charger and connect it to the wall socket? |
| 10:23.58 | aquatix | liri: not sure, but i think the converter could do both 110V and 230V |
| 10:24.08 | aquatix | now where did i put the US one... |
| 10:24.43 | aquatix | at least on my europe [dutch] version it says 100V-240V |
| 10:24.49 | aquatix | so with a converter you should be fine |
| 10:25.00 | aquatix | a new one isn't *that* expensive though |
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| 10:25.04 | aquatix | and smaller ;) |
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| 10:43.41 | liri | when I say converter I'm not talking about a different a charger but about the head part only which plugs into the socket |
| 10:52.18 | aspect | liri: you should be fine. my charger says it's rated 100-240v; I figure that's universal |
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| 10:54.30 | bef0rd | the plug is not, he may need an adaptor |
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| 10:55.52 | aquatix | liri: yeah, i know |
| 10:56.19 | aquatix | but if you put such a head part on the charger, it becomes larger |
| 10:56.22 | aquatix | it'll work though |
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| 11:32.20 | bef0rd | ;_; i'd like armagetron on the n810 |
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| 12:35.07 | mattis_ | Anz experiences with N810 crashing after USB device accessing? |
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| 13:03.02 | ITalodance | i need a dupe site,i can race pm me |
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| 13:55.35 | bef0rd | does chinook lxdoom work on diablo? |
| 13:56.16 | aspect | if there's not a diablo lxdoom, then yes |
| 13:56.32 | aspect | got his unit preinstalled with diablo and lxdoom |
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| 13:58.32 | bef0rd | weird, I've just installed it from chinook extras but it doesnt work |
| 13:59.03 | bef0rd | tries again |
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| 14:29.51 | sp3000 | dammit |
| 14:30.07 | sp3000 | I've installed something again that breaks the charging animation, haven't I |
| 14:30.35 | t_s_o | the one in the corner, or the fullscreen one? |
| 14:30.57 | sp3000 | the statusbar one |
| 14:31.14 | sp3000 | I know uninstalling free42 breaks it, haven't met other cases |
| 14:31.46 | t_s_o | qwerty12 said something about refreshing the gtk icon cache, worked for me after a unforseen reboot gave me trouble |
| 14:31.51 | johnx | I thought I heard of other causes on itt... |
| 14:32.06 | sp3000 | oh, yeah, true |
| 14:32.18 | sp3000 | forgot there's that workaround |
| 14:32.20 | sp3000 | thanks :) |
| 14:33.51 | t_s_o | np |
| 14:34.11 | t_s_o | heh, running gem in dosbox. whats next? |
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| 14:48.46 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 14:49.04 | lbt | hello |
| 14:49.09 | lbt | hi lcuk |
| 14:49.18 | lcuk | afternoon chaps |
| 14:49.29 | lcuk | takes off his muddy boots |
| 14:50.03 | lcuk | wow |
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| 14:50.33 | lcuk | my boots have kept my feet dry. that is a miracle |
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| 14:58.28 | wazd | Hello everybody) |
| 14:58.41 | wazd | Can I ask technical question?) |
| 14:59.01 | johnx | wazd, yes, of course |
| 14:59.45 | wazd | How can I change bluetooth device type? Is there any way? |
| 14:59.58 | wazd | I have BT headphones jabra BT620s |
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| 15:00.20 | wazd | And they're always connecting as HFP |
| 15:00.30 | RST38h | How else should they connect? |
| 15:00.38 | wazd | A2DP |
| 15:00.57 | RST38h | Maemo does not support A2DP. |
| 15:01.25 | qwerty12 | Use johnx's a2dp-support with lardman's dsp-sbc |
| 15:01.29 | wazd | Damn, and why russian faq tells thet "I's okay guyz everything workz" |
| 15:01.44 | johnx | it works with mplayer and other things that can use alsa |
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| 15:01.50 | RST38h | wazd: Because it is a russian faq |
| 15:02.15 | wazd | Ok, then next question) |
| 15:02.17 | johnx | canola/mediabox/kagu |
| 15:02.36 | wazd | I've already installed that pack on diablo and there's no BT icon in Kagu) |
| 15:02.52 | johnx | did you read the instructions I posted on itt? |
| 15:03.00 | RST38h | afaik it is a bit more involved than "installing a pack" |
| 15:03.00 | wazd | It worked perfect on Chinook (thanks a lot btw :) |
| 15:03.03 | qwerty12 | wazd: Ignore kagu's icon. It uses older a2dp implementation |
| 15:03.12 | johnx | RST38h, it really isn't |
| 15:03.13 | RST38h | you have to use modified bluez, etc |
| 15:03.21 | johnx | RST38h, no, that's not true |
| 15:03.21 | wazd | nono |
| 15:03.28 | RST38h | johnx: No? Really? |
| 15:03.30 | qwerty12 | RST38h: Only for dsp-sbc |
| 15:03.34 | wazd | It worked on Chinook without any shaman moves |
| 15:03.39 | johnx | RST38h, it's one modified config file |
| 15:04.12 | RST38h | But is main cpu version running well? I heard reports of severe performance penalty and distortions? |
| 15:04.15 | johnx | RST38h, I made a nice .deb that does the modification for you, then you run one shell script that asks for your BT headphones address and sets everything else up |
| 15:04.22 | johnx | RST38h, in diablo it's much better |
| 15:04.29 | RST38h | ok |
| 15:04.37 | johnx | about 30% CPU usage to play an mp3 in mplayer over a2dp |
| 15:04.41 | wazd | well, I got to try it again) |
| 15:04.47 | johnx | 30% CPU at 400MHz that is |
| 15:04.53 | johnx | but still, I use it all the time |
| 15:05.17 | pupnik810 | how is sound quality johnx |
| 15:05.23 | wazd | On chinook it smoothly played for 4 hours I think |
| 15:05.30 | wazd | Sound is nice |
| 15:05.55 | wazd | If you're not a weird meloman than you would not hear the difference) |
| 15:06.01 | RST38h | johnx: is it assembly optimized? |
| 15:06.29 | johnx | RST38h, sound is as good as a2dp can get I think, which means "not perfect" |
| 15:06.39 | johnx | as for assembly optimization, probably not |
| 15:06.52 | johnx | there should be lots more room for ARM specific optimizations |
| 15:06.53 | RST38h | Maybe it can gain a bit from optimization... |
| 15:07.02 | RST38h | who is maintianing it? |
| 15:07.04 | johnx | the DSP is the real place to do it though |
| 15:07.18 | johnx | RST38h, talk to bmigley (sp?) on here |
| 15:07.53 | wazd | woooooow |
| 15:08.00 | johnx | bmidgley actually :) |
| 15:08.03 | wazd | weirdest bug ever)) |
| 15:08.42 | wazd | I've tried to enter something in search field in ITT and it entered text from the right |
| 15:08.57 | wazd | from the tablet |
| 15:10.02 | qwerty12 | It does that now :/. I just use advanced search instead |
| 15:11.25 | RST38h | somebody is overusing css again... |
| 15:12.03 | RST38h | can I please go back in time and strangle whoever came up with css? |
| 15:12.29 | qwerty12 | Although it has to be said, pitch can be a little dodgy with a2dp. I wonder if lardman got a chance to listen to that track... |
| 15:12.55 | qwerty12 | needs a new charger. my tablet is dead for the time being. I can still come here and annoy you all though. |
| 15:13.05 | johnx | I thought he was the one who said something about not having access to a high accuracy timer |
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| 15:22.34 | lcuk | johnx, i think he wanted the timer to check his optimisations rather than for specific coding requirement |
| 15:23.07 | johnx | ah really? I thought it was in response to the slight periods of higher and lower pitch sound |
| 15:23.13 | johnx | likely mis-remembered |
| 15:23.48 | lcuk | its ok i havent been here for a couple of days - its easy for all to miss stuff |
| 15:23.59 | johnx | I've been out and about as well |
| 15:24.09 | lcuk | may infact be totally wrong about the timings |
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| 15:24.40 | lcuk | i found a problem on my nit while i was away |
| 15:25.00 | lcuk | i tried to move 600files from one folder to the other. it took over 10 minutes |
| 15:25.01 | johnx | bummer :( |
| 15:25.30 | johnx | was this on the built-in flash? the soldered on sd card? from one media to another? |
| 15:25.31 | qwerty12 | lcuk: with the command line or file manager? |
| 15:25.49 | lcuk | file manager - i wanted a selection, not all |
| 15:25.55 | johnx | ah |
| 15:26.12 | johnx | somehow GUI file managers always find a way to slow down simple things... |
| 15:26.22 | lcuk | still faster than vista |
| 15:26.31 | qwerty12 | generally finds using the command line faster. Don't know nothing about advanced bash expressions but * gets me far... |
| 15:26.49 | qwerty12 | lcuk: that was one of the reasons I reformatted and reinstalled xp :/ |
| 15:27.06 | lcuk | yer, i might install xp on my tablet |
| 15:27.24 | qwerty12 | cool, let me know how it goes |
| 15:27.47 | lcuk | * would have moved everything, i just wanted to speed up graffiti wall - it got a bit sluggish with 1000 files in there |
| 15:28.13 | qwerty12 | I know, just I can do magic with * |
| 15:28.15 | qwerty12 | :P |
| 15:28.23 | qwerty12 | and tab-completion that is |
| 15:28.41 | lcuk | tab completion is a very nice feature |
| 15:31.40 | qwerty12 | Just out of question, has anyone been able to do usb networking in ubuntu 8.04? I'd always assumed I'd be the one mucking it up but after reading -developers, I may not be doing so. |
| 15:32.11 | lbt | I got it working in Debian this morning... |
| 15:32.17 | lbt | either bridged mode |
| 15:32.24 | lbt | or point to point... |
| 15:33.07 | lbt | I can't get tablet 'ifup' to use dhcp though |
| 15:34.32 | qwerty12 | Hmm, I'm thinking a ubuntu kernel upgrade broke it as I was able to use it a long time ago on 7.10 |
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| 15:42.49 | lbt | https://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking#Configuring_the_host_as_a_bridge |
| 15:43.37 | qwerty12 | Someone should recommend the Nokia maemo-control-usb on that page... |
| 15:44.07 | lbt | https://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking#Tablet_USB_network_configuration |
| 15:44.17 | lbt | usb-otg-plugin ? |
| 15:44.43 | qwerty12 | Nah, the nokia maemo-integration team have a usb networking applet that goes in the control panel |
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| 15:44.48 | lbt | in that case I await your edit ;) |
| 15:46.35 | qwerty12 | Here's a pic of the applet in the control panel: http://i26.tinypic.com/2ir57rp.jpg . Here's the applet: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/m/maemo-control/ |
| 15:46.44 | qwerty12 | Nah, I'm no wiki editor :) |
| 15:47.05 | lbt | I'll show you... |
| 15:47.24 | qwerty12 | 00h, fighting talk |
| 15:47.42 | lbt | <innocent>it's not beyond you is it</innocent> |
| 15:49.25 | qwerty12 | of course it is, I hate wiki editing. I only look at them. Someone should edit the modifying root image wiki page to include instructions for mkfs.jffs2 |
| 15:49.57 | lbt | https://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking#USB_statusbar_plugin |
| 15:50.21 | qwerty12 | nice |
| 15:50.29 | lbt | funnily enough I just unpacked my fiasco image about 2 mins ago |
| 15:50.43 | Macer | wow |
| 15:50.56 | Macer | i just played openlierox |
| 15:50.58 | qwerty12 | flasher won't let me unpack fiasco images in /root :P |
| 15:50.59 | Macer | it's actually very fun |
| 15:51.22 | lbt | on my host |
| 15:51.39 | lbt | https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card#MultiBoot |
| 15:52.10 | Macer | heh |
| 15:52.20 | Macer | it's pretty easy to boot off the sd |
| 15:52.36 | lbt | yes - I want to boot 4 images though |
| 15:52.40 | Macer | it's nice to have all the extra space too |
| 15:52.45 | Macer | 256MB? :) |
| 15:52.50 | lbt | 8Gb |
| 15:52.51 | qwerty12 | lbt: Nice, I may apply that mknod modification. I've already got a tarball of my customised initfs on my computer... |
| 15:52.56 | Macer | how small heh.. but i guess they weren't expecting so much to be installed |
| 15:53.10 | Macer | like ms when they said "640 is enough" |
| 15:53.11 | lbt | I was hoping fanoush would mod his initfs |
| 15:53.26 | Macer | the initfs isn't that important |
| 15:53.37 | qwerty12 | It isn't? |
| 15:53.50 | lbt | the /dev on the initfs matters if you want a partition that's not there ;) |
| 15:54.01 | Macer | ah... didn't think about that |
| 15:54.02 | Macer | :) |
| 15:54.04 | mikkov_ | Macer: did you have any problems with openlierox? is it worth to put in maemo downloads? |
| 15:54.27 | Macer | well i haven't played it enough to say.. i just started playing it right now.. although 2 pkgs won't install |
| 15:54.28 | qwerty12 | lbt: My favourite mod is KotCzarny's coloured bootmenu. I spent ages updating it for the diablo initfs version :/ |
| 15:54.41 | Macer | level pack 5 and mod pack 2 won't install |
| 15:54.48 | lbt | This is why I'd like git on garage |
| 15:55.05 | qwerty12 | mikkov_: Just out of question, do you have a N800 or N810? I notice I have to keep remapping buttons on my N800 :) |
| 15:55.06 | Macer | mikkov_ - it's an awesome game for an n800 tho |
| 15:55.08 | mikkov_ | Macer: ok, i need to check them |
| 15:55.10 | lbt | so we can push back mods like this and make accepting them easy |
| 15:55.25 | mikkov_ | qwerty: N800 |
| 15:56.09 | mikkov_ | qwerty: I really haven't changed default mappings, if they are configurable from the game |
| 15:56.12 | qwerty12 | Ah, openlierox is great, I just had to map the buttons so things like jumping actually worked. Be nice if it was done automatically but I guess I'm just lazy. |
| 15:56.20 | qwerty12 | Ah, ok |
| 15:56.32 | Macer | heh... i just used my bt keyboard |
| 15:56.33 | Macer | ;) |
| 15:56.49 | Macer | flinging around on the bungee grapple hook was kinda fun |
| 15:57.08 | Macer | can you hook a bt mouse up to an n800? |
| 15:58.00 | Macer | i never tried it |
| 15:58.27 | glass | iirc somebodys done it |
| 15:58.44 | glass | there was something needed to do to make the cursor visible |
| 15:59.26 | qwerty12 | would love to see my crappy compile of rise of the triad finished ;) |
| 15:59.58 | Macer | i have to make a dev enviroment for maemo... i downloaded the vm but well.. my server with vmware on it kinda... "crashed" |
| 16:00.08 | qwerty12 | arggh, I hate using the wink smiley. It's not me |
| 16:00.11 | Macer | well... X froze up on it ... but hte box is still running and i don't do down time haha |
| 16:00.56 | qwerty12 | Who wants to DDOS Macer's server? |
| 16:02.47 | qwerty12 | ~lart you people, I was offering a once in a lifetime opportunity here |
| 16:02.47 | infobot | takes out you people, I was offering a once in a lifetime opportunity here with the trash |
| 16:04.17 | qwerty12 | ffs, scratchbox-toolchain-arm-uclibc_0.9.8.5_i386 uses uClibc-0.9.26 but the initfs uses uClibc-0.9.28 |
| 16:04.18 | RST38h | Another day, another server... |
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| 16:11.10 | pupnik | wb konttori |
| 16:11.18 | konttori | hi |
| 16:11.28 | konttori | thanks |
| 16:13.56 | konttori | pupnik: anything interesting going on? |
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| 16:14.25 | lbt | is jffs2 in upstream kernel |
| 16:14.39 | johnx | lbt, it's the rootfs |
| 16:14.41 | pupnik | nothing good here, sorry |
| 16:14.57 | lbt | I need to do a loopback mount on my host on 2.6.26 |
| 16:15.04 | lbt | so I need jffs2 support on it |
| 16:15.10 | qwerty12 | lbt: I believe it is. At least I can use jffs in ubuntu fine |
| 16:15.14 | lbt | couldn't see it in menuconfig |
| 16:15.20 | lbt | hmm |
| 16:15.24 | qwerty12 | lemme check |
| 16:15.28 | lbt | something to do with mtd too isn't it |
| 16:15.32 | johnx | I'm about 90% sure it's in the vanilla linux tree |
| 16:15.41 | johnx | lbt, likely |
| 16:16.00 | qwerty12 | lbt: what are you mounting? |
| 16:16.06 | johnx | it only works on mtd devices, so it might not be compileable without mtd support |
| 16:16.19 | lbt | fiasco image |
| 16:16.29 | lbt | to rsync to my tst partition |
| 16:16.31 | qwerty12 | No, which part? initfs, rootfs etc? |
| 16:16.36 | lbt | rootfs |
| 16:16.45 | lbt | rootfs.jffs2 |
| 16:16.48 | qwerty12 | Oh, ok. |
| 16:17.15 | qwerty12 | I know ubuntu has support for jffs2 via modules, what happens if you modprobe jffs2? |
| 16:17.58 | lbt | aha |
| 16:18.03 | lbt | config dependency |
| 16:18.13 | lbt | it appears once mtd is selected as a module |
| 16:23.11 | GreyFoxx | Anyone here use an alternate car mount with their n810? There is no way I'm drilling holes in my dash but would like to get a good carmount for it :) |
| 16:23.39 | Macer | i'm sure boxwave might have one |
| 16:23.59 | Macer | never looked myself though |
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| 16:24.03 | lbt | b4 going too far - have you used it by hand in the car? My N800 is unreadable too often |
| 16:24.20 | Kegetys | doesn't the mount have some standard connector thing? so you can mount the part where the n810 goes to some other attachment thing |
| 16:24.26 | GreyFoxx | lbt: yeah, easily readable in the car |
| 16:24.39 | GreyFoxx | keg: If the connector is standard I wouldn't know |
| 16:24.44 | lbt | 'k I know the 810 is better in that respect. |
| 16:24.54 | GreyFoxx | if it is and I can get a suction cup kinda adapter that would be nice |
| 16:25.05 | Kegetys | I think it is, thats why it is in two parts afaik |
| 16:25.12 | GreyFoxx | cool |
| 16:25.14 | Kegetys | with the round thing splitting it apart |
| 16:25.30 | GreyFoxx | I haven't put this thing down since I got it on Wednesday heh |
| 16:25.42 | Macer | http://www.boxwave.com/products/mobilemountingkit/index.htm |
| 16:25.55 | Macer | GreyFoxx - looking for something like that? |
| 16:26.06 | Macer | it uses suction to the windshield |
| 16:26.23 | GreyFoxx | looking for something that uses suction yeah |
| 16:27.01 | qwerty12 | Matchbox guys can't spell... |
| 16:27.07 | qwerty12 | WM_DIALOGS_STRATERGY_STATIC |
| 16:27.07 | GreyFoxx | once I configure open vpn on this thing, and get kismet running I should have most everything on here I use on a regular basis |
| 16:28.40 | bef0rd | lol qwerty12 |
| 16:29.22 | qwerty12 | I'm trying to get the movable window stuff to work without placing the dialog in funny places :) |
| 16:30.22 | Kegetys | get some cheap one from dealextreme or similar instead of that boxwave thing, hideously expensive |
| 16:30.34 | Macer | qwerty ;) |
| 16:30.36 | Macer | made in china |
| 16:31.00 | GreyFoxx | actuakky I was planning on a dealextreme order thisweek. I'll check there site. Thanks |
| 16:31.02 | Macer | qwerty - install kde |
| 16:31.05 | Macer | heh.. windows move just fine |
| 16:31.23 | qwerty12 | Macer, nah, watchdog would go crazy when I did install kde |
| 16:31.38 | Macer | kde is awesome on the n800 |
| 16:32.19 | Macer | just because it can print from just about anything |
| 16:32.19 | Macer | heh |
| 16:32.33 | Macer | i wish someone would build ff for the n800 for use with kde.. konqueror sucks balls |
| 16:33.06 | RST38h | All right, MasterGear 2.6 for Maemo officially released. |
| 16:33.10 | lbt | I thought ff was in Debian? |
| 16:33.14 | Macer | know what's odd... i can't seem to get my n95s gps to bt to my n800 |
| 16:33.18 | Macer | i wonder if there is a way to do that |
| 16:33.19 | qwerty12 | RST38h: Just saw, thanks :) |
| 16:33.20 | RST38h | Whoever wants it, http://fms.komkon.org/MG/ (coming to Extras later) |
| 16:34.08 | pupnik | congrats RST38h ! |
| 16:34.25 | Macer | gamegear emulator heh |
| 16:34.26 | RST38h | nothing to be congratulated for, this release has been planned for 1+ month |
| 16:34.43 | RST38h | do check new x3 magnification mode when playing GameGear games though |
| 16:36.26 | Macer | msx emulator too huh? that's awesome :) |
| 16:36.34 | Macer | i'd probably use that way before the gamegear emulator heh |
| 16:36.54 | Macer | speaking of which.. i need to install gngeo |
| 16:37.05 | Macer | i love samurai showdown iv :) |
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| 16:37.44 | RST38h | And now, long and boring process of sending new version to the registered users.... |
| 16:38.36 | Macer | heh |
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| 17:05.38 | humbolt | I messed up my N800. |
| 17:06.52 | humbolt | "/proc/bus/usb" was not mounted and not when I try to flash in the new software, it does not show an old software version anymore and therefore does not flash |
| 17:08.38 | humbolt | what can I do to get the new software onto the device? |
| 17:09.57 | humbolt | can anybody help me? |
| 17:12.42 | pupnik | i never mounted '/proc/bus/usb'... |
| 17:13.06 | qwerty12 | I just do all my flashing using sudo |
| 17:13.21 | pupnik | Macer, RST38h wrote those emulators.... |
| 17:16.55 | lbt | are there any unionfs ports for the n800? |
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| 17:18.49 | zap | lbt: I would use aufs instead |
| 17:18.58 | zap | unionfs sucks, its buggy |
| 17:20.07 | lbt | I was just reading up on that... :) |
| 17:23.54 | zap | I had random crashes on my server while using unionfs |
| 17:24.10 | zap | just that they weren't fatal, due to linux' ability to survive kernel crashes |
| 17:27.31 | lbt | it's on my mind for having a clean test install OS and then aufs mounting a disposable overlay |
| 17:27.54 | zap | indeed, would be something nice for devs |
| 17:28.03 | zap | hmm, and for end users as well |
| 17:28.18 | zap | will remove that 256Mb limit for rootfs while still making use of it |
| 17:28.41 | zap | now that I think of it, it would be a killer feature ) |
| 17:29.02 | lbt | it would be nice wouldn't it... |
| 17:29.16 | zap | yep |
| 17:29.43 | zap | the only problem would be USB |
| 17:29.50 | lbt | add it to the kernel-patches list... |
| 17:29.57 | zap | it won't let the SD disk be visible as a pen drive... |
| 17:31.02 | zap | I'm thinking about a pygtk script that would let you repartition your SD card, and use part of it for rootfs |
| 17:31.06 | lbt | but it would work at a partition level |
| 17:31.31 | zap | ? |
| 17:31.59 | lbt | I'm not sure what the usb problem is |
| 17:32.11 | lbt | the non-rootfs would still be exposed |
| 17:32.21 | lbt | so the fat data partition |
| 17:32.30 | zap | you mean, split the SD card into two partitions? |
| 17:32.37 | lbt | I have 6 |
| 17:32.46 | zap | what for :) |
| 17:33.12 | lbt | data, everyday OS, Debian, tst1, tst2, tst3 |
| 17:33.18 | lbt | 8Gb though |
| 17:33.36 | lbt | I think I may make it tst1, tst2, aufs scratch |
| 17:33.40 | zap | and how ITOS likes it? Does it show all of them when you connect your tablet via USB to a PC? |
| 17:34.28 | lbt | let me see (it's on usb nw at the moment - and I use ssh for data sharing) |
| 17:34.49 | lbt | (and debian, not windows) |
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| 17:35.09 | lbt | oh yes, it saw them! |
| 17:35.13 | zap | all? |
| 17:35.25 | lbt | 6 KDE windows for removable media |
| 17:35.43 | zap | N810? |
| 17:35.45 | zap | or 800? |
| 17:35.52 | lbt | sde: sde1 sde2 sde3 sde4 < sde5 sde6 sde7 > |
| 17:35.53 | lbt | N800 |
| 17:35.59 | zap | and only one SD card? |
| 17:36.04 | lbt | internal |
| 17:36.09 | lbt | Diablo |
| 17:36.21 | lbt | 2.6.26 on the host |
| 17:36.22 | zap | hmm I thought only N810 has internal/external SD |
| 17:36.33 | lbt | no, N810 only has external |
| 17:36.37 | lbt | N800 has both |
| 17:36.41 | zap | ? |
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| 17:36.51 | zap | N810 has a 2Gb internal card, and a external slot |
| 17:37.00 | zap | you can't replace the 2Gb card easily |
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| 17:37.11 | lbt | N800 has an internal slot - that's what I meant by internal |
| 17:37.13 | lbt | sorry |
| 17:37.25 | zap | Ah, like in phones? Somewhere under the battery? |
| 17:37.27 | lbt | you meant the 810 - OK, understood |
| 17:37.30 | lbt | yes |
| 17:37.41 | zap | Sorry for dumb questions, never seen a N800 :) |
| 17:37.51 | lbt | put the keyboard away |
| 17:37.56 | lbt | there you go. |
| 17:38.02 | lbt | :D |
| 17:38.07 | oilinki3 | how do I get accesspoint information from the command line on n810? |
| 17:38.19 | zap | oilinki3: use iwconfig |
| 17:38.26 | zap | and iwlist |
| 17:38.33 | zap | you'll have to install them first though |
| 17:38.43 | oilinki3 | zap: oh. thank you. |
| 17:38.48 | zap | look for wireless-tools package |
| 17:39.12 | oilinki3 | I have that already. I just tried to find the command starting with w :) |
| 17:39.51 | zap | you can get a list of files in a package by using 'dpkg -L <packagename>' |
| 17:41.02 | oilinki3 | iwgetid -r seems to give what I need at the time. |
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| 17:46.23 | lcuk | how come i can sit outside in the cold and reain for 2 days but yet now i am home i am shivering |
| 17:46.51 | lbt | you caught a cold by sitting outside in the cold and rain for 2 days. |
| 17:46.58 | lbt | d'oh |
| 17:46.58 | lcuk | lol most likely |
| 17:47.17 | lcuk | i actually think its cos i took my boots off |
| 17:48.26 | lcuk | lbt, hows shopper goin - did you manage to get a chinook install? |
| 17:48.40 | lbt | I'm doing : https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card#MultiBoot |
| 17:48.48 | lbt | so I can get a test environment |
| 17:49.20 | lcuk | oooh, i started down that road, but got lost with all the docs at the time being 800 oriented |
| 17:51.57 | oilinki3 | ok. tomorrow I can go to check wether n810 can do an automatic login to the free wifi network in bangkok |
| 17:52.29 | oilinki3 | do you know how to get the gps location data from the command line as well? |
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| 18:10.00 | Macer | well. that sucks :) i guess i should have given teh vfat on the internal card a little more than 1G for the vfat partition |
| 18:10.04 | Macer | evidently maps uses it |
| 18:10.13 | Macer | i can't seem to find a way to change where it stores its maps either |
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| 18:10.55 | lbt | Macer: maemo-mapper? |
| 18:10.57 | Macer | but there is a way to get it to use the n95 as a gps |
| 18:11.07 | mikkov_ | Macer: all openlierox packages should be now installable |
| 18:11.08 | Italodance | . |
| 18:11.46 | Macer | ah crap |
| 18:11.50 | Macer | sure isn't.. it's nokia maps |
| 18:11.53 | Macer | damnit :) my bad |
| 18:11.55 | dannym_ | err. How does one give "Thanks" on the InternetTabletTalk forum? |
| 18:12.00 | dannym_ | is probably just blind |
| 18:12.06 | Macer | mikkov - i'll try it out |
| 18:12.21 | Macer | have to refresh the rep? |
| 18:12.28 | mikkov_ | yes |
| 18:12.46 | mikkov_ | i'm not sure if packages are there yet |
| 18:12.58 | mikkov_ | but at least extras-devel is updated |
| 18:13.18 | Macer | heh... it's just 1 mod and 1 game map pkg |
| 18:13.47 | Macer | it did find the updates though.. i'm installing them now |
| 18:14.13 | Macer | does maemo-mapper allow you to use something other than the internal vfat partition? |
| 18:14.16 | mikkov_ | dannym_: there's "thanks" button belowe each message. I think you have to be logged in to see them |
| 18:14.24 | lbt | Macer: yes |
| 18:14.28 | Macer | i only made it 1G and that was because it uses it for the swap |
| 18:14.40 | Macer | anything i actually want to store i'd put on the external |
| 18:14.53 | mikkov_ | Macer: the rest of the packages are in installabe packages section ;) |
| 18:14.57 | Macer | ah ok.. yeah i was a little confused when maps asked me for money |
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| 18:15.12 | Macer | mikkov - yeah.. i'm updating the ones i have now .. i'l try the last 2 in a minute |
| 18:15.24 | Macer | i want tot test out the internet play once i get a little better at it ;) |
| 18:15.45 | dannym_ | mikkov_: really? not here... and I'm logged in... that said I'm really tired and it might be I just don't recognize it :( |
| 18:15.51 | Macer | but right now i'm working on using my n95s gps with the n800 |
| 18:15.52 | dannym_ | mikkov_: how does the link look? |
| 18:16.07 | Macer | maemo-mapper charges money like maps? :) |
| 18:16.22 | Macer | i was a little confused when it started asking me for a key.. i was reminded of an apple product |
| 18:17.00 | Macer | it's great having all this space for my n800 with the internal sd as / :) |
| 18:17.15 | Macer | they should have made the default internal 16G or something.. but that would make the thing cost like $1000 |
| 18:17.16 | mikkov_ | dannym: it's green "Thanks!" text. But it depends on theme you are using, and some of them don't even have the button |
| 18:18.04 | mikkov_ | Macer: you probably won't have a chance if opponent isn't also using internet tablet ;) |
| 18:18.56 | Macer | heh |
| 18:18.59 | Macer | well.. i have my bt keyboard |
| 18:19.05 | Macer | but i'm sure the lack of a mouse hurts :) |
| 18:19.11 | Macer | too difficult to aim quickly |
| 18:19.22 | mikkov_ | oh kb definetly helps ;) |
| 18:19.36 | Macer | is it even possible to play it without one? |
| 18:19.43 | mikkov_ | openlierox doesn't use mouse for aiming on any platform |
| 18:19.53 | Macer | ah well.. so it's all kb? |
| 18:19.53 | mikkov_ | only buttons |
| 18:20.15 | Macer | well... that helps even the playing field |
| 18:20.41 | Macer | all the pkgs installed without problem now... mod pack 3 huh? :) |
| 18:21.01 | mikkov_ | yeah, i didn't include all mods last time ;) |
| 18:21.17 | mikkov_ | but you don't need them all at the same time |
| 18:21.18 | Macer | well.. they all updated.. and the remaining pkgs installed correctly |
| 18:21.33 | Macer | just the latest? |
| 18:21.37 | Macer | i jsut started installing everything heh |
| 18:21.45 | mikkov_ | just the one you are playing |
| 18:21.59 | Macer | oh.. well.. i just installed all of them heh |
| 18:22.05 | mikkov_ | at minimum you don't need any extras |
| 18:22.13 | Macer | i have the space ;) |
| 18:22.45 | Macer | my n800 sure did start to suck until i decided to go ahead and use the internal card to boot |
| 18:23.28 | Macer | ah well. i'm going to go ahead and work on this n95 to n800 gps thing |
| 18:23.34 | Macer | hopefully it works without a hitch |
| 18:24.18 | Macer | nokia should make the n900 have built in cell capabilities |
| 18:24.23 | Macer | it would put the iphone to shame |
| 18:25.21 | mikkov_ | I wouldn't be too surprised if n900 had cellular |
| 18:25.51 | dannym_ | mikkov_: hmm.. which theme do you use? (which has it :)) |
| 18:26.01 | dannym_ | tried Default, Minimalistic and Mobile so far :) |
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| 18:27.32 | mikkov_ | dannym_: default "n810 v2" at least has it |
| 18:29.07 | dannym_ | mikkov_: not here, I just tried it explicitly... |
| 18:29.34 | dannym_ | mikkov_: maybe I need to have a certain number of posts on the forum or something... |
| 18:29.38 | dannym_ | strange... |
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| 18:31.47 | dannym_ | in any case, I tried and give up on that for now :) |
| 18:32.10 | dannym_ | doing more important things like porting 3G Modem stuff... |
| 18:32.24 | dannym_ | (or rather, releasing the finished thing ;)) |
| 18:32.37 | dannym_ | anyone got MUD builder to run? |
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| 18:33.10 | dannym_ | I get a "have your installed xsltproc" error message and when I "fakeroot apt-get install xsltproc" it goes SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY not set... well of course not... |
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| 18:35.04 | dannym | switches to i386 target and prepares himself mentally to have binaries for the wrong architecture in the finished DEB on the server :-> |
| 18:39.46 | mikkov_ | dannym: i can install xsltproc in sb just fine :) |
| 18:40.24 | RST38h | Things are screwed when your application requires xslt... |
| 18:41.44 | dannym | RST38h: "mud" requires xslt. |
| 18:41.51 | dannym | RST38h: to build its thing... |
| 18:42.23 | dannym | do I use MUD in i386 or in ARM target? Or outside scratchbox? |
| 18:43.55 | dannym | just puts a fake "xsltproc" into "/scratchbox/tools/bin/" :P |
| 18:44.49 | RST38h | dannym: and that is why things are screwed = |
| 18:46.29 | dannym | RST38h: mmmmh :) well I didn't write "mud" and if it takes more than an hour off my life I'll just register another tiny garage project and so avoid using it... |
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| 18:46.44 | dannym | but I thought "mud" was supposed to be used for the smallish no-changes projects... |
| 18:47.18 | zetheroo | I have an N800 and have set an alarm on the clock app ... just wondering if it will activate even with the power off? |
| 18:48.02 | Macer | awesome |
| 18:48.11 | Macer | got my n800 to use the n95s gps |
| 18:48.12 | dannym | RST38h: or do you mean Scratchbox should have one already? hmm... |
| 18:48.22 | dannym | an XSLTProc* |
| 18:48.24 | Macer | i think i'll buy a mount for it for my car now heh |
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| 18:48.49 | Macer | gps + att 3G .... little by little my n800 is replacing a ton of things |
| 18:49.03 | Macer | soon i'll just need my n95 n800 and su8w |
| 18:49.08 | mikkov_ | dannym: it doesn't matter from which environmet you upload your files to autobuilder, if that's whar you're asking. |
| 18:49.44 | RST38h | macer: it is 3 devices. |
| 18:49.54 | Macer | although with the n810 i wouldn't really need to use teh gps.. and it sorta sucks because you have to have this extgps program on the n95 |
| 18:49.58 | RST38h | dannym: I mean that XSLT is evil. |
| 18:50.10 | MangoFusion | as far as battery life goes, i think the N800 is great |
| 18:50.16 | dannym | RST38h: agreed ;) |
| 18:50.17 | Macer | RST38h - yeah, but all 3 are about 1/8th my macbook ;) |
| 18:50.18 | RST38h | Makes you think it can actually do something useful, but does not |
| 18:50.24 | Macer | and they fit in my pockets |
| 18:50.38 | RST38h | Macer: and they charge from a single tit? =) |
| 18:50.41 | MangoFusion | developing for it though, not quite as straight forward as other platforms |
| 18:50.55 | Macer | i wish |
| 18:50.58 | dannym | mikkov_: unfortunately "mud" also builds the packages so does it matter from which environment "I" build my package? ;) |
| 18:51.08 | Macer | i should make an adapter for that though... the su8w uses AAA |
| 18:51.16 | RST38h | Mango: Actually, it is easy, you just need to figure out what parts of instructions you DO NOT need |
| 18:51.20 | Macer | it lasts like a month :) |
| 18:51.27 | Macer | if you use it a lot i mean |
| 18:51.28 | MangoFusion | RST38h: haha |
| 18:52.00 | Macer | n800 battery life is great though.. .even while in use |
| 18:52.00 | MangoFusion | though in my case it is a bit more challenging since i need to run linux in a vm. on a mac. which can be a nightmare at times |
| 18:52.01 | RST38h | Mango: For example, the whole automake/autoconf stuff can be safely keworked |
| 18:52.03 | MangoFusion | :( |
| 18:52.11 | mikkov_ | mikkov_: it helps to test building for both targets but it's not required ;) |
| 18:52.15 | RST38h | had to make a partition and put Ubuntu there |
| 18:52.22 | RST38h | Mango: You also do not need sb |
| 18:52.38 | RST38h | Mango: sb2 is quite sufficient without being so cumbersome |
| 18:52.39 | MangoFusion | tried the dual boot approach, but that was even worse ;) |
| 18:52.39 | mikkov_ | doh, dannym: same |
| 18:52.51 | Macer | ah well.. i think i'm done doing little n800 projects for now |
| 18:53.05 | Macer | i need to unpack penguinbait's deb for kde and rape it |
| 18:53.20 | RST38h | Mango: And you do not really need Xephyr and Qemu because Qemu does not emulate whole Maemo anyway |
| 18:53.22 | Macer | there are a ton of things i don't use.. i'd rather just have the kde and koffice and cups install and get rid of evrything else |
| 18:53.30 | Macer | since kopete doesn't support ssl gtalk :) |
| 18:53.35 | RST38h | Macer: Will be very slow. |
| 18:53.41 | MangoFusion | one thing i really wish the n800 had though was better sensitivity on the touch screen. Seems very awkward when compared to, say, my iPod touch :( |
| 18:53.47 | Macer | RST38h - kde? it isn't that bad |
| 18:53.52 | Macer | i've been testing it out for a while |
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| 18:54.01 | RST38h | Macer: sluggish even on my 1.1GHz laptop =) |
| 18:54.05 | Macer | it is a great replacement for my laptop at school |
| 18:54.15 | Macer | depends on your definition of sluggish ;) |
| 18:54.21 | MangoFusion | RST38h: have you tried tunneling X and running it remotely instead? |
| 18:54.26 | Macer | i could deal with kword taking 10 secs to open as long as it works |
| 18:54.33 | RST38h | KDE <-- copied Windows so successfully that it became too sluggish to use =) |
| 18:54.43 | Macer | hahaha |
| 18:54.48 | Macer | yeah... they sure did didn't they? |
| 18:54.50 | Macer | :) |
| 18:54.55 | RST38h | Macer: I like when things snap |
| 18:55.06 | RST38h | Macer: If they do not snap, I call it sluggish |
| 18:55.07 | Macer | well.. it's an n800.. you're expecting too much from it |
| 18:55.18 | dannym | anyone knows where the 4.1 SDK rootstrap is? |
| 18:55.22 | Macer | it prints from koffice .. which is more than i expected it to do |
| 18:55.26 | dannym | plots to check whether it contains xslt :) |
| 18:55.39 | Macer | prints from all kde based apps actually since kde uses cups as its spooler |
| 18:55.51 | RST38h | you print from a tablet? =) |
| 18:55.58 | Macer | yeah |
| 18:56.06 | Macer | cups works on it.. i've tested it |
| 18:56.17 | Macer | prints directly to my networked laser printer using cups |
| 18:56.34 | Macer | but most hildon apps don't support cups |
| 18:56.44 | dannym | Macer: hehehe... that works? cool ^^ |
| 18:56.47 | Macer | i'd have rather ditched the kde install and used abiword and gnumeric |
| 18:56.58 | Macer | yeah.. it works very well as a matter of fact :) i was as shocked as anybody |
| 18:57.35 | Macer | takes about a minute for it to actually start the printing.. but hey... if i can use my su8w and n800 for school (keeping it in my pockets) instead of lugging around a laptop in my bag.. i'm game |
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| 18:58.18 | Macer | i'm going to start repkging the debs that were released when i get the chance and see about getting the use of the package manager in kde itself going |
| 18:58.51 | Macer | that way you could actually add and remove the stuff you want/don't want.. right now there doesn't seem to be an easy way to do it |
| 18:58.51 | RST38h | abiword still does not work fully |
| 18:58.59 | RST38h | gnumeric kinda works but needs some polishing |
| 18:59.18 | Macer | abiword works well enough to use.. but doesn't support cups printing in hildon |
| 18:59.29 | Macer | hildon really wasn't designed with printing in mind :) |
| 18:59.52 | dannym | who would have thought ;) |
| 18:59.56 | Macer | which is a shame because it would have been an awesome stock feature |
| 19:00.12 | Macer | with slogans like.. "can your iphone print?" |
| 19:00.15 | Macer | heh |
| 19:00.23 | RST38h | I don't think adding cups to hildon is such a huge problem though |
| 19:00.32 | MangoFusion | i tried printing on my n95. didn't work ;) |
| 19:00.40 | Macer | nor do i... you probably would just need to add a spooler |
| 19:00.45 | Macer | MangoFusion - works with bt printers |
| 19:00.58 | Macer | which sadly most aren't |
| 19:01.04 | MangoFusion | Macer: didn't work with the one i tried. some sort of error |
| 19:01.09 | dannym | (hmm.. anyone downloaded <http://www.scratchbox.org/download/files/sbox-releases/apophis/tarball/scratchbox-devkit-doctools-*> already? I don't want to download 133 MB with 12KB/s and then find out it doesn't contain "xsltproc"... |
| 19:01.12 | Macer | really? hm.. that sucks |
| 19:01.19 | RST38h | hehehe |
| 19:01.25 | Macer | they should add cups to the n95 too :-D |
| 19:01.37 | RST38h | dannym: Be prepared: this thing will pull whole TeX distribution |
| 19:01.47 | Macer | n95s are a little laxed though.. not as eye candied out as iphones but i still think they are overall a more powerful phone |
| 19:01.52 | dannym | aaargh. |
| 19:02.03 | dannym | xsltproc, a kingdom for xsltproc... |
| 19:02.12 | Macer | once nokia releases someting like an n800 with cell support though.. i'm eating it up.. i don't care if it costs $2000 |
| 19:02.12 | Macer | heh |
| 19:02.18 | RST38h | dannym: just compile it separately |
| 19:02.30 | MangoFusion | one thing i really noticed with the n95 after using the touch was how much clicking about you have to do with the dpad to get anywhere |
| 19:02.32 | Macer | n95 has 3d accel :) |
| 19:02.34 | RST38h | Macer: And you are gonna stick THAT to your ear? |
| 19:02.41 | mikkov_ | dannym: xslt proc belongs to sdk |
| 19:02.47 | Macer | yeah.. i hate the buttons on my n95 too |
| 19:02.53 | Macer | it is way too easy to keep hitting the wrong ones |
| 19:02.57 | RST38h | Macer: touchscreen in? |
| 19:02.59 | dannym | RST38h: I tried, it worked when I used it on a test file but crashed on the MUD.xslt (surprise surprise) :-( |
| 19:03.01 | MangoFusion | though then again every normal phone has that issue |
| 19:03.08 | dannym | no one using MUD here? :( |
| 19:03.28 | Macer | most of them i suppose.... it is very irritating on the n95 though |
| 19:03.36 | Macer | it's almost like they did it on purpose to torture people |
| 19:03.38 | RST38h | dannym: As I said, xslt is highly evil and its creators were better to be disposed off while they were fetuses |
| 19:03.46 | Macer | you know how sadistic those engineers could be :) |
| 19:04.21 | RST38h | Macer: dark Finnish genius. |
| 19:04.25 | MangoFusion | one thing that sucks currently is that the little switches that go beneath the volume controls on mine fell off after an accident, so i can't really control the volume very easily any more |
| 19:04.34 | dannym | RST38h: yeah, tell me about it... I wrote an entire Web GUI for a search engine provider using XSLT style sheets and xsltproc, libxslt and *eeek* the Mono wrappers... O_O |
| 19:04.36 | Macer | i d on't really like hildon though.. that whole... full screen or none thing they have going on is kinda irritating |
| 19:04.49 | dannym | tortures himself with a spoon... aah more relaxing :) |
| 19:05.02 | Macer | it would be nice if they had seperate desktops and more applets to work with :) |
| 19:05.10 | RST38h | dannym: Believe it or not, using plain PHP would save you and your employer sooo much time =) |
| 19:05.18 | dannym | RST38h: I know :) |
| 19:05.27 | zap | Macer: you can treat icons on the app bar as desktop switchers |
| 19:05.34 | RST38h | Of course it would not be eleet enough |
| 19:05.48 | Macer | zap .. that's kind of ghetto ;) |
| 19:05.49 | zap | Macer: this way, every app launched gets its own desktop |
| 19:06.01 | lbt | any maemo-mapper devs on here? |
| 19:06.02 | zap | I personally would hate to have overlapped windows on N8x0 |
| 19:06.04 | Macer | heh |
| 19:06.21 | RST38h | Folks, there is an example of an app that uses multiple windows on N8x0 |
| 19:06.33 | Macer | xmms? |
| 19:06.36 | RST38h | It is OpenTTD |
| 19:06.37 | zap | sure, microb for example |
| 19:06.40 | dannym | RST38h: the semi-functional-programming style of XSLT drives me nuts... the darn xslt apply-template stuff which is somehow procedural... the mutually incompatible vendor extensions, ... |
| 19:06.47 | zap | openttd is unplayable |
| 19:06.49 | RST38h | And OpenTTD is absolute hell to navigate and control |
| 19:06.51 | RST38h | zap: Yep |
| 19:06.51 | dannym | RST38h: I'm grateful I don't have to do it anymore :) |
| 19:07.05 | RST38h | dannym: Itr is not even THAT |
| 19:07.14 | lcuk | the desktop uses multiple windows |
| 19:07.16 | RST38h | dannym: It is small crap, like lack of regular expressions |
| 19:07.28 | MangoFusion | openttd really needs a proper mobile version |
| 19:07.34 | RST38h | dannym: That are SUPPOSED to be there, only nobody implements them |
| 19:07.34 | MangoFusion | not just a simple port |
| 19:07.54 | RST38h | dannym: Or the fact that you cant reassign a variable |
| 19:08.16 | RST38h | dannym: Or lack of includes (yes, I know these freaks have a separate STANDARD for includes which nobody supports!) |
| 19:08.36 | dannym | RST38h: yeah, vendor extensions. GAH. |
| 19:09.19 | RST38h | dannym: Actually, regexp are XSL 2.0 (nobody supports it) and XSI is a separate standard (supported separately but not inside XSL for some reason) |
| 19:10.09 | RST38h | And no, I am not licensing some "XML studio solution" for $600/seat and using mouse (!) to do xsl processing |
| 19:11.34 | pupnik | haha |
| 19:13.35 | dannym | hehe whyyy not? :-> |
| 19:14.25 | RST38h | 'cause I have to do it from inside a makefile =) |
| 19:15.08 | RST38h | Of course I understand that the bunch of Indian kids who wrote this "solution" have never heard about makefiles in their Java class, but still... |
| 19:16.59 | keesj | RST38h: xpath is fuzzy enough for me |
| 19:21.43 | MangoFusion | makefile |
| 19:21.47 | MangoFusion | what is that? |
| 19:21.58 | MangoFusion | puts on dunce cap |
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| 19:24.39 | lcuk | awww man, you guys are so lucky. |
| 19:27.21 | liri | all of you owe me a congrads!! |
| 19:27.58 | liri | after literally months of looking for it I got the N810 this evening from a local guy who had i (so it's 2nd hand but good still) |
| 19:28.42 | MangoFusion | nice! |
| 19:28.49 | MangoFusion | good buy? |
| 19:30.01 | dannym | ahaaa!! |
| 19:30.18 | dannym | good old find(1) found "/scratchbox/devkits/doctools/bin/xsltproc" :) yay |
| 19:30.38 | RST38h | keesj: XPath - can't do joins properly |
| 19:30.59 | RST38h | keesj: this single weakness is sufficient enough to drop it |
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| 19:31.30 | liri | it cost me $314 but it has only 1 stylus and no car charger |
| 19:34.11 | liri | so now I need to get going at hacking it |
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| 19:40.57 | Jaffa | dannym: just caught up with stuff. You still having problems? From a /last, some questions I assume keesj may have answered: mud runs in Scratchbox, both armel & i386 targets. mud requires devscripts, xsltproc and one or two other things which, eventually, will become part of a Depends line in a deb (when it itself gets put into extras); full list at http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jaffa/mud_design. |
| 19:41.52 | zap | Jaffa: hi! |
| 19:43.26 | Jaffa | zap: hi! Just replying to your last email, but then got to go and do the washing up :-( |
| 19:43.48 | zap | thats not a problem |
| 19:44.02 | zap | Um.. I filled a join request on garage, please ignore it |
| 19:44.12 | zap | I thought I have to be a member of the project to submit xml files :) |
| 19:44.55 | Jaffa | zap: fair enough :) |
| 19:45.12 | Jaffa | If you start submitting patches to mud itself, after a couple I'd be happy to give you svn access. |
| 19:45.26 | Jaffa | Or one really good one, I suppose :) |
| 19:46.30 | zap | I don't know perls, so it's not likely to happen :) |
| 19:46.40 | zap | hahah, I meant perl |
| 19:46.45 | zap | kind of like "internets" |
| 19:47.08 | Jaffa | has 3 and wants a fourth ;-) |
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| 19:56.01 | liri | odd... when I play the nokia video on the N810 and while it's playing I click on the top menu, it slowly opens up... is this supposed to appen? |
| 19:56.55 | lcuk | videos play using an overlay, its slightly different to the normal screen so tihngs might be a big more sluggish |
| 19:57.14 | lcuk | i dunno though, cos my mediaplayer crapped out on my over the weekend |
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| 19:57.53 | kpel | i just upgdated to diablo and i was surprised to find out that i didn't have to add repos manually. well done team maemo! |
| 20:00.06 | lcuk | where does media player (default nokia provided one) get its file list from, and what may prevent it from having one (i know the files exist i can play directly from mplayer) |
| 20:01.06 | Jaffa | mediacrawler |
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| 20:01.42 | Ecam | yeah openlierox kinda sucks on the n800 online |
| 20:02.04 | lcuk | jaffa - its never randomly crapped out before - i tried rebootin and stuff. hmm ill pop battery incase it was really stuck |
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| 20:02.56 | Kegetys | does the liero thing support joysticks |
| 20:05.26 | RST38h | btw good question |
| 20:11.59 | zap | is liero the dos game that google found for me? |
| 20:12.14 | mikkov_ | openlierox? |
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| 20:12.35 | mikkov_ | beta5 changelog says: "optimised/fixed joystick support |
| 20:13.00 | RST38h | zap: See, you can also try an IR joystick |
| 20:13.15 | mikkov_ | we have beta3 because beta5 has problems with our libstdc++ |
| 20:13.17 | liri | lcuk: it's just that I remember that on the N800 it worked pretty well, not being sluggish |
| 20:13.43 | RST38h | actually, not, a different project |
| 20:13.44 | lcuk | liri, you might just have other things hapepning |
| 20:14.01 | zap | looks cool |
| 20:14.18 | zap | RST38h: unfortunately N8x0 does not have an IR receiver |
| 20:14.47 | RST38h | zap: But you can still plug one |
| 20:14.55 | zap | that would suck |
| 20:15.07 | RST38h | given that the usb socket is covered, it would... |
| 20:15.12 | zap | I could plug in a USB RF receiver as well |
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| 20:15.24 | zap | and then I could choose one of thousands radio joysticks |
| 20:15.25 | Kegetys | or use a bluetooth joystick/gamepad |
| 20:15.28 | Kegetys | or usb one |
| 20:15.40 | RST38h | there are very few bt gamepads |
| 20:15.45 | Jaffa | wiimote works |
| 20:15.49 | RST38h | wiimote seems to be the only usable choice |
| 20:16.07 | lcuk | easiest to obtain |
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| 20:17.50 | Kegetys | my chinese wiimote copy has not arrived yet :| does it work well with n810? |
| 20:19.37 | Ecam | openlierox would be good if you could use a controller for it |
| 20:19.41 | Ecam | like a usb gamepad or something |
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| 20:21.59 | liri | ok so... where do I get started at hacking my N810? I got it 2nd hand from someone, so maybe I should reflash it? |
| 20:22.31 | pupnik | M-HT finished newer and faster version of his DOSBox dynamic recompiler backend. |
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| 20:22.56 | pupnik | starts to get a bit of the old gleam back |
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| 20:28.34 | liri | the US nokia charger says 100-240v and 50hz-60hz - is that ok to put it in the plug in Europe? (US is 50hz with 110v and Europe is 60hz with 220v) |
| 20:29.02 | ShadowJK | US is 60hz, EU is 50hz |
| 20:29.23 | ShadowJK | But yes, that charger should work just about anywhere |
| 20:29.45 | ShadowJK | Though US has flat pins and europe has round pins, so the US charger doesn't fit straight into EU sockets |
| 20:29.46 | RST38h | diablo extras does not like my ssh key again |
| 20:29.55 | RST38h | has someting broken over weekend? |
| 20:30.01 | RST38h | liri: yes |
| 20:32.43 | Jaffa | has successfuly used his N810 charger in the US, the UK and continental Europe. All modern device chargers tend to be global, requirinhg only physical travel adapters. |
| 20:32.58 | lcuk | but check on the safety label first |
| 20:33.05 | liri | cool, so I just need to get the physical adapter to connect it to the wall socket |
| 20:33.09 | RST38h | and remove the safety pin! =) |
| 20:33.22 | liri | what safety label lol? |
| 20:33.24 | RST38h | [otherwise it will not blow up]] |
| 20:33.51 | lcuk | on the plug packaging itself theres normally a label indicating range of voltages |
| 20:34.36 | blafasel | liri: Works fine for me. |
| 20:35.02 | blafasel | US charger, adapter, running here with 230v |
| 20:35.06 | liri | on the actual charger it says INPUT: AC 100-240V and 50-60Hz, 150mA |
| 20:35.22 | lcuk | my nokia charger says 100-240v embossed onto the plastic |
| 20:35.38 | blafasel | liri: So why do you ask in the first place? ;) |
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| 20:36.00 | lcuk | cos he didnt rtfp |
| 20:36.14 | liri | lol want to make sure |
| 20:36.23 | liri | I just got it :) |
| 20:36.58 | lcuk | does anyone know of a shop thats open sunday nights that sells gas masks |
| 20:37.10 | pupnik | can anyone explain quickly why thumb instructions can be faster? |
| 20:37.19 | lcuk | 16bit instruction size |
| 20:37.29 | pupnik | perfect, ty |
| 20:38.11 | RST38h | pupnik: 2 instructions are read at once |
| 20:38.12 | pupnik | and this can help some code on omap2420? |
| 20:38.32 | RST38h | pupnik: this helps th performance especially if your memory is connected via 16bit bus |
| 20:38.39 | lcuk | full arm instructions are 32bit, so for specific opcodes and actions it can be quicker. but full 32bit instructions can contain multiple stepped operations in one from a wider variety of registers and memory locations. |
| 20:38.40 | RST38h | yes, it may help some code on omap |
| 20:38.41 | blafasel | lcuk: You head beans for dinner? |
| 20:39.04 | blafasel | s/head/had/ |
| 20:39.07 | Kegetys | doesnt seem that openlierox supports joysticks |
| 20:39.19 | lcuk | blafasel, ive just come back from 2 days of camping with the lads: beer and bad bbq food combined to make mine and the rest of the families life a living hell |
| 20:39.26 | RST38h | pupnik: On the other hand, Nintendo recommends using thumb when running out of ROM (16bit bus) but using 32bit arm instructions when running out of 32bit iwram |
| 20:40.14 | pupnik | can i tell a particular object file to compile using thumb instructions? would the whole emulator build have to run in 'thumb mode'? |
| 20:40.20 | RST38h | pupnik: With thumb you lose direct alu operations on upper half of ARM registers, conditional opcode execution, and a few other things |
| 20:40.21 | blafasel | lcuk: Ouch. ;) |
| 20:40.25 | Macer | hm |
| 20:40.31 | Macer | bsg done yet? |
| 20:40.31 | Macer | heh |
| 20:40.43 | Macer | i haven't watched it almost all season because all the beginning episodes sucked |
| 20:40.45 | RST38h | pupnik: Depends on whether your compiler knows how ot use BX opcode to switch |
| 20:40.49 | lcuk | pupnik, yes i believe you can (technically you can at functional level) but i dunno how to switch |
| 20:40.52 | RST38h | if it does not, then no |
| 20:41.04 | pupnik | ty, taking notes |
| 20:41.35 | liri | is there an N810/N800 dedicated website/wiki? seems that maemo.org Howtos and guides isn't realy updated with information about 770 and stuff |
| 20:41.38 | lcuk | blafasel, its more than ouch - ive been bunged up for the whole time whilst suffering the rest of the group - now mine has decided to erupt |
| 20:41.43 | Kegetys | ah, the version in the repo is beta3, joystick support is in beta4 and fixed in beta5 :| |
| 20:41.49 | RST38h | http://www.codesourcery.com/archives/arm-gnu/msg00032.html |
| 20:41.51 | lcuk | its a good job the internet cannot conduct smells |
| 20:42.36 | lcuk | but to give you a teste: if it was an operating system it would be Vista |
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| 20:42.41 | RST38h | pupnik: See above link |
| 20:42.42 | lcuk | taste ffs |
| 20:42.52 | pupnik | thanks RST38h |
| 20:43.05 | pupnik | and that's tmi lcuk |
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| 20:43.29 | lcuk | pupnik, its evil - you dont expect me to sit here dying alone do you |
| 20:43.34 | RST38h | so, has something happen with diablo extras? |
| 20:43.42 | RST38h | I can't upload - says ssh key is incorrect |
| 20:44.27 | pupnik | i have heard complaints recently but don't know if that is related |
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| 20:45.10 | keesj | liri: we are wokring on http://wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page |
| 20:45.33 | sbaturzio | Aloha! |
| 20:48.50 | RST38h | sleep. |
| 20:50.50 | dannym | RST38h: good idea... me too :) good night ^^ |
| 20:51.38 | liri | keesj: looks good. |
| 20:57.36 | liri | keesj: those notes about gaining root access are somewhat scaring :) |
| 20:58.02 | liri | keesj: could possibly damage the device... |
| 21:00.26 | RST38h | so could a correctly directed hit with a fork |
| 21:00.57 | RST38h | now, REALLY sleep. |
| 21:01.22 | pupnik | good night RST38h ` |
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| 21:02.21 | liri | night RST, go to sleep already :) |
| 21:06.16 | keesj | K |
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| 21:17.43 | Binky | Hi |
| 21:17.57 | Binky | Can i ask a question? |
| 21:18.23 | Binky | Where the hell is the MMC slot on the 770? |
| 21:18.43 | forge | Eeh |
| 21:18.59 | Binky | That door down in the right? |
| 21:19.35 | forge | Yeah |
| 21:19.39 | Binky | Sorry, mine was second handed and came with the MMC on. |
| 21:19.47 | Binky | Ok, thanks! |
| 21:20.02 | Binky | Can i remove it with the 770 on? |
| 21:23.19 | liri | seems that the version I have installed on the 2nd hand N810 is OS2008 version 1.2007.42-19 which I'm guessing is rather old... |
| 21:24.42 | blafasel | So what? Flash it, if you want. |
| 21:24.50 | blafasel | Backup your stuff though |
| 21:26.28 | liri | whats the current OS 2008 version? are the changes considerable? |
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| 21:29.21 | Macer | http://imagechan.com/images/c1b753a2135e2a576ccd84b05e765065.gif |
| 21:29.31 | Macer | what are the chances? :) |
| 21:30.11 | blafasel | Macer: Ouch |
| 21:30.37 | blafasel | Another case of "Don't try to be too smart with ads" |
| 21:30.41 | Macer | the banner is probably random |
| 21:30.51 | Macer | it just happened like that by chance |
| 21:30.56 | blafasel | No, probably using context, like adsense. |
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| 21:32.16 | Macer | heh |
| 21:32.26 | Macer | when keepin it real goes wrong |
| 21:33.39 | liri | the swap button on the N810 is the top button from the 2 left buttons on the side? |
| 21:35.07 | mikkov_ | looks like i have openlierox beta5 working.. |
| 21:35.10 | blafasel | liri: Using the windows flasher? It shows you the right pictogram. But yes. |
| 21:35.24 | mikkov_ | or not |
| 21:35.31 | blafasel | The one with two rectangles/windows |
| 21:36.03 | liri | Blafasel: I'm reading about the flasher (probably will be with linux) on the wiki page |
| 21:36.15 | blafasel | liri: Okay. So - Yes ;) |
| 21:36.22 | liri | Blafasel: thanks :) |
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| 21:36.59 | liri | Blafasel: is there a chance to damage the device and ender it un-bootable or somehing? |
| 21:38.43 | kpel | do you guys remember what is the name of the applet that checks your gmail account? |
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| 21:40.17 | GeneralAntilles | lbt, think you could slim down the MultiBoot section a bit? |
| 21:40.27 | blafasel | liri: Sure, drop it from the 5th floor or something. |
| 21:40.28 | GeneralAntilles | It's really weighing the article down. |
| 21:41.04 | blafasel | liri: With updates? No, don't think so. I heard of no "brick" and I don't believe you can brick it (easily, without force). |
| 21:41.52 | GeneralAntilles | Bricking requires something going wrong during the ~3ms window of the NOLO flashing. |
| 21:41.58 | GeneralAntilles | even then, you can still revive it with the right cable. |
| 21:42.19 | liri | Blafasel: I'm not talking about dropping it. I'm talking about the reflash operation, just don't want to end up with a bricked device |
| 21:42.28 | GeneralAntilles | You pretty much can't |
| 21:42.53 | GeneralAntilles | I've been in the tablet world for more than 2 years and never once seen anybody brick it flashing. |
| 21:43.32 | blafasel | See above. The point is: The chance bricking your device is probably lower than the change that someone drives you over when you leave the house ;) |
| 21:44.19 | GeneralAntilles | We could run the numbers for you if you like, but NOLO is about 9KB in total |
| 21:44.20 | blafasel | I need to sleep, can't type anymore. |
| 21:44.31 | GeneralAntilles | and the flash runs at about 5-7MB/sec |
| 21:44.33 | GeneralAntilles | You do the math. |
| 21:46.29 | liri | heh ok |
| 21:48.18 | lbt | GeneralAntilles: yes - it's not done yet |
| 21:48.52 | liri | is the current flash version for N810 newer than 1.2007.42-19? |
| 21:49.20 | solmumaha | kpel: mnotify |
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| 21:50.39 | GeneralAntilles | liri, significantly. |
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| 21:52.49 | kpel | solarion: thanks |
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| 22:13.54 | Macer | wow they just can't make horror stuff like they used to. |
| 22:15.21 | blafasel | Well, what did you expect. Even the X-Files movie sucks badly. Very, very badly. |
| 22:19.54 | lcuk | noooooooo dont tell me that |
| 22:20.46 | blafasel | You didn't watch it yet? |
| 22:20.57 | lcuk | no, and i dont wanna know anything about it |
| 22:21.01 | blafasel | No spoilers at all. I just didn't like it. |
| 22:21.23 | blafasel | Watched the original version, because I wanted to have the real voices.. |
| 22:21.31 | lcuk | i understand its full title is X-Files:Last chance at milking the cow" |
| 22:21.38 | lcuk | but i wanna see it anyway |
| 22:21.39 | blafasel | I mean.. What's up with dubbing every movie over here anyway. |
| 22:21.53 | lcuk | where are you? |
| 22:21.59 | blafasel | Germany. |
| 22:22.10 | blafasel | Every frikking movie is in german. Always. |
| 22:22.12 | lcuk | ahhh - i suppose things need dubbing then |
| 22:22.27 | blafasel | It's hard to find original versions over here in a decent cinema |
| 22:23.37 | lcuk | blafasel, i can see why though |
| 22:23.59 | lcuk | its a shame theres no way to get a computer to do a translation using the original actors voiceprint |
| 22:24.00 | blafasel | lcuk: Explain it to me ;) |
| 22:24.07 | lcuk | i suppose it will happen eventually |
| 22:24.26 | blafasel | Hmm.. Currently you just have very strange expectations. |
| 22:24.48 | blafasel | Bruce Willis? Completely different voice, very famous over here (the dubbed one) |
| 22:25.07 | lcuk | well if i were a cinema owner here i know 99% of my customers couldnt speak german. i would want an english language film |
| 22:25.09 | blafasel | More stupid example: Eddie Murphy. You don't want to listen to the german version.. |
| 22:25.15 | lcuk | other way round is surely true |
| 22:25.27 | blafasel | lcuk: It's a matter of education, imo. |
| 22:25.44 | mikkov_ | over here only childrens movies are dubbed (and Simpsons: The Movie) |
| 22:25.44 | lcuk | so get in your time machine and train everyone |
| 22:25.49 | lcuk | i agree with you |
| 22:26.10 | lcuk | but any major change would take 50 years plus? |
| 22:27.17 | blafasel | Maybe |
| 22:27.26 | blafasel | mikkov_: Where are you from? |
| 22:27.39 | mikkov_ | Finland |
| 22:28.00 | lcuk | wedont your respective countries produce any homegrown movies? |
| 22:28.03 | lcuk | -we |
| 22:28.12 | blafasel | Sure |
| 22:28.19 | lcuk | do they sell as well |
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| 22:29.08 | mikkov_ | finnish movies sell nowaday pretty well here |
| 22:29.36 | mikkov_ | 15 years ago finnish movier were complete joke |
| 22:29.38 | blafasel | Yes, most do |
| 22:29.49 | pupnik | eliminating or reducing current copyright monopoly protections would open up the world of art to the people again: individuals playing instruments and singing, independent artists rising to prominence on popular meritocracy |
| 22:30.01 | lcuk | it does work, and producing films and programs natively does more than a simple dubb - it incorporates local language traditions jokes or situations |
| 22:30.04 | blafasel | Anyway, time to sleep - lots of work tomorrow. G'Night |
| 22:30.09 | pupnik | cu |
| 22:30.28 | lcuk | gnite blafasel |
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| 22:31.18 | lcuk | pupnik, copyright in reasonable terms helps the individuals |
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| 22:31.59 | pupnik | i know of valid arguments which support that lcuk |
| 22:32.41 | lcuk | its just a very big machine you work against and the odds against an independent are stacked |
| 22:33.26 | lcuk | but a tiny piece of grit can cause the whole thing to sieze :) how you doin today |
| 22:34.00 | pupnik | weird i guess |
| 22:35.01 | lcuk | bleugh. did i see you talkin emulators before? |
| 22:51.16 | lbt | 'night all |
| 22:52.41 | lcuk | gnite lbt |
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| 23:35.31 | Xamusk | is there any calendaring app for maemo better than gpe-calendar? |
| 23:37.32 | bef0rd | mcalendar? |
| 23:37.41 | bef0rd | don't know if is better though |
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