IRC log for #maemo on 20080802

00:00.07angel_is that wat i need to do?
00:00.33qwerty12_N800yeah, should do it
00:00.35nomisjga23: no, but you can probably follow the C-example for playing audio and translate it to python.
00:00.52angel_<PROTECTED>
00:00.54angel_then this?
00:01.31jga23ahh, I figured it out, for some reason gstreamer isn't working with http:// addresses
00:01.44jga23only file://
00:02.15nomisjga23: what source-element did you use?
00:02.50jga23its my local squeezecenter stream.mp3
00:03.10nomisjga23: I mean the source-gstreamer-element
00:03.42jga23oh, I just initialized gst with gst.parse_launch("playbin name=sink")
00:04.01jga23and then set_property("uri", "http:....")
00:04.11jga23it worked with file://, but not http://
00:05.25nomisah. Ok, no idea then.
00:08.51BlafaselX-Fade was based in Europe as well, right? So I'll try to catch him tomorrow or something.
00:10.41qwerty12_N800Yeah, The Netherlands afaik.
00:11.40BlafaselThanks
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00:26.37pupnikContext, a European business and consumer technology research firm has just reported that pre-installed Linux was sold on 2.8% of all PCs bought in the UK in June 2008. Doesn't sound like much? In January 2007, desktop Linux's marketshare was 0.1%.  http://blogs.computerworld.com/microsoft_has_serious_plans_to_do_away_with_windows
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00:50.27dick-richardsonis there a way to set a global proxy for all connections?
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01:15.13irqhey
01:15.33irqwhere can i get xmodmap for my n810?
01:18.30irqanyone?
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01:23.03irqplz? £:)
01:23.03trevorhow do you connect to a network share with the n810?
01:25.44irqthe os2007 xmodmap won't install on diablo
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01:28.43irqis anyone around that can help with xmodmap?
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01:32.37dick-richardsonanyone know where I can set a proxy globally?
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01:46.32irqxmodmap is at http://mg.pov.lt/770/
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02:45.46bef0rd;_;
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04:21.07trevorwhat format should the sources.list file use?
04:22.34pupnikhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=search&q=Gallium3D
04:23.27pupnikX11 is too crufty for the third millennium.  We need fundamental changes for modern GPUs.
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05:32.21RST38hpupnik: X11 isn't a 3D API
05:33.04RST38hit is a framework where multiple APIs (including OpenGL btw) exist
05:37.50pupnikwell yah
05:39.09pupniknonetheless
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05:44.32pupnik"Ymanton will work on video decoding via shader instructions. To be prototyped on Gallium3D softpipe implementation first, it will be later implemented for Nouveau."
05:44.41pupnikhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nouveau_39&num=1
05:45.17pupnikI'd like to see Gallium3D on OMAP3430 / 3530
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05:52.57RST38hPowerVR is a much simpler piece of hw
05:53.14RST38hSo, the likely answer is "no" =) But even a truncated version of OpenGL would be nice
05:54.52pupnikyeah
05:54.56pupnikhttp://www.radeonhd.org/?page=fosdem_videos
05:55.03pupnikFOSDEM X.Org 2008 Videos
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06:01.41teamcobrayeah, the dreamcast had a pvr, wicked chip
06:02.43bef0rdI believe I saw some opengl demos on powervr site
06:08.21bef0rdhttp://www.imgtec.com/powervr/insider/demos/shaderbrowser2.asp
06:08.31bef0rdI mean http://www.imgtec.com/powervr/insider/powervr-demos.asp
06:16.52teamcobrawonder how much money would have to be thrown into the pot to get drivers into maemo for it....... problem is, whoever wrote the drivers would probably have ndas, and the driver wouldn't be open, and thus not in mainline
06:17.06teamcobraunless there was a sudden break of common sense
06:19.17pupnikomap3530 and 3430 is much more open from what i've heard
06:20.07teamcobrahow much are the reference boards though? I'd help create a device
06:20.25pupnikbeagleboards are very cheap / subsidized perhaps even
06:20.52teamcobraand by much more open, are there xorg glx/dri/directfb drivers? ;)
06:22.15teamcobrahmmmmm... I have enough to buy gear
06:22.30pupnikhttp://dkc1.digikey.com/us/mkt/beagleboard.html
06:22.49pupnikglx yes afaik
06:23.15pupnikwell yes to all i think
06:23.42teamcobrawowow, I should've bought this instead of an n810, but owell.... still, I shall build a nice prototype
06:24.18teamcobraI know how to do multitouch on a big screen, but how would I pull it off on a nseries-sized device?
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06:35.08teamcobrahahah, nevermind, it looks like apple actually has a patent on that ;p that's wrong, jeff han did a lot of work ;p
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06:52.02pupnikwould be nice to mate an internet tablet to a larger (compatible) touchscreen
06:54.40teamcobraright, w/ more horsepower + opengl es 2.0
06:55.25teamcobraI'd have to add more sd slots, one to accomodate a wifi card
06:56.00teamcobrabuilt in 4-port usb, maybe an extra bus for a built-in wireless or bt
06:56.48teamcobranot an extra bus, but you get the idea... it's late ;p
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07:07.15Cptnodegardanyone here use omweather?
07:08.55RST38hyes?
07:09.13Cptnodegardthe "enable station from gps" option
07:09.15Cptnodegardwtf is it for?
07:09.20Cptnodegardthought it was to add city via gps
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07:12.43Cptnodegardmeh no way to add custom cities internationally...useless then
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07:24.41Cptnodegardhttp://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2189&stc=1&d=1217234247   <- whats the pap that allows for icons on the home screen?
07:25.17bef0rdpersonal-launcher
07:25.48Cptnodegardthx
07:33.32Cptnodegardcan you adfd web bookmarks to personal-launch?
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07:35.58GuestHi !
07:36.30Khertan2:)
07:36.40Khertan2my stupid desktop lcd is dead ...!
07:36.42Khertan2pffff
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07:37.24bef0rdthat happened to me aswell
07:38.06Khertan2dark screen ... green led ... no osd when connecting or disconnecting cable
07:38.28Khertan2and ... a great luminosity 1 seconds before the blackout ...
07:38.43Khertan22,5 years
07:38.50bef0rdheh, at least the OSD works in mine
07:38.59bef0rdyea, it was not even 2 years old
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07:39.14bef0rd:/ it was already out of warranty obviously
07:39.43Khertan22 year of warranty on the mine
07:40.38Khertan2so ... going to buy an another
07:43.09Cptnodegard./usr/bin/browser apparently launches the browser, can you add some shit to that to make it open specific pages?
07:43.25Khertan2hum ... i ll don't buy another lcd
07:43.44bef0rdheh, I had a CRT
07:43.48bef0rdI'm using it atm
07:43.51bef0rd:<
07:44.21bef0rdCptnodegard, probably, but I think that you need to add some parameters instead of shit
07:44.29Khertan2crt powa !
07:45.09Cptnodegardbef0rd lol yeah, i dont know how or what to add so thats why im asking if its even possible. trying to get a photobucket bookmark on personal-launch
07:45.53liriis there a big difference between the screen on the N810 compared to the N800 on sunlight?
07:46.56tank-manliri, imo no
07:47.12X-Fadeliri: Day and night.
07:47.37X-Fadeliri: You can't read the N800 in sunlight.
07:48.35wndCptnodegard, --url foo
07:51.46ItalodanceHELLO GUYSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
07:51.47Cptnodegardjust --url url or some : or "" or whatnot?
07:52.12bef0rdOH HAI Italodance
07:56.17wnde.g. "browser --url http://www.google.com/intl/en/", quotes if needed
07:56.31liriX-Fade: I see
07:56.32wndI think it also parses "--url=foo" correctly
07:57.40liriI haven't seen the N810 so it is possible to stick in it a Micro SD instead o a Mini SD using one of those converters?
07:58.00bef0rdliri, yes
07:59.05Cptnodegard"browser -url lalal" didnt work, neither did browser --url lalala, browser --url=lalala, browser --url:lalala or browser --url "lalala"
07:59.30liribef0rd: but would it be sticking out?
07:59.58bef0rdliri, erhm no
08:00.20bef0rdliri, I have an 8gb microsd + minisd adaptor
08:01.46Cptnodegard@ helping people, got it to work, thanks :d had to do a new item alltogether forpersonal-launch and not just edit the web one
08:01.56lirican you show a picture of it?
08:02.32bef0rdliri, the adaptor is exactly the same size / shape of a microsd
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08:03.03liribef0rd: ahh I see
08:03.28bef0rderm I mean, same size as a minisd, it has a small ranure where you put the microsd
08:03.30liribef0rd: but how does it fit in the minisd compartment? isn't it supported to be smaller?
08:05.50wndCptnodegard, I can only say that "browser --url foo" works for me(tm)
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08:18.03bef0rdliri, www.beford.org/cosas/
08:24.24pupnik"We expect the PowerVR SGX drivers to be publicly available by the end of 2008. Only the kernel portions will be open source. The PowerVR folks will provide binary user-space libraries."
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08:24.40bef0rdthat's something :]
08:29.27pupnikunfortunately, i don't know of any plans to integrate 3d gui widgets or compositing into ITOS
08:30.21pupnikanybody know of such things?
08:32.21glassnice, nice
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08:34.54doc|homewhat's the best mapping app?
08:35.00doc|home(no gps)
08:40.31bef0rdmaemo-mapper?
08:40.52BugBluemaemo-mapper without gps
08:43.25doc|homeok, thanks
08:45.51liribef0rd: cool thanks
08:46.28liribef0rd: how are the speakers on the 810? I read they are less loud than the 800 model
08:47.33bef0rdi've never had a n800 but they are pretty loud
08:49.08liriahh nice
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08:55.24pupnikmine seemed to reqire break-in at loud volume for many hours
08:57.58pupnikugh X input
08:58.29pupnikProcessInputEvents -> ProcessKeyEvent -> AccessXFilterKeyPress/Release -> XkbHandleActions -> XkbProcessKeyEvent -> CoreProcessKeyEvent
09:02.00pupnikah poor Daniel - fixing up X input headaches :) http://www.radeonhd.org/fosdem-2008/fosdem_2008_daniel.ogg
09:02.13lirianybody here with both N810 and N800 devices?
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09:05.03khertan_Hi !
09:05.28khertan_I can't download any map with the default map app ... it s always failed
09:05.43khertan_is there a way to download it elsewhere ?
09:05.50khertan_a http site ?
09:06.07khertan_hum ... maybe should i use a sniffer :)
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09:17.14qwerty12crashanddie's already been there, done that...
09:18.36qwerty12ffs, I can't find that mkfs.jffs2 line to repack the initfs >.<
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09:22.01Spaceman-N810Is there a way to reinstall flash?
09:22.44qwerty12Diablo?
09:22.51Spaceman-N810Chinook
09:22.57qwerty12Oh, out of luck then.
09:23.07Spaceman-N810Damn
09:23.12rm_youlol yeah my flash is broken, i tried to get flash10 to work :P
09:24.06Spaceman-N810I don't have access to a computer to reflash my tablet, as badly as it needs it atm
09:24.11qwerty12The only way I can think of reinstalling Flash in Chinook, requires a deb based linux distro and a *lot* of time
09:24.14bef0rdflash10 is i386 :P
09:24.54zapwhat's flash? you mean adobe flash, or flash ROM
09:25.07qwerty12Flash as in adobe
09:25.10Spaceman-N810Adobe flash
09:25.22zapum.. and how it comes you don't have it? its part of standard ROM
09:25.37Spaceman-N810Mine broke
09:25.46bef0rdhow?
09:25.49zap%-O
09:25.54bef0rdare you sure its not only disabled?
09:26.00Spaceman-N810Specifically, adblock seems to have broken it
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09:26.03Spaceman-N810Ill look
09:26.03bef0rdhave you checked on the components window?
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09:26.55Spaceman-N810Agh, that makes me mad...
09:27.11bef0rdwhat?
09:27.13Spaceman-N810All this time ive suffered w/o flash
09:27.21Spaceman-N810And it's just disabled
09:27.26rm_youlol
09:27.32rm_yousucks for you :( funny for me :P
09:27.38bef0rdI suffer with flash enabled
09:28.04Spaceman-N810Well, its true that i've prolly benefited too
09:28.13qwerty12Lol, atm I'm using MicroB with brontide's usercontent.css, flash and javascript disabled and I've never felt better browsing on a tablet.
09:28.26khertan_lol ...
09:28.37khertan_flash is only needed to see ad
09:29.00Stskeepsqwerty12: in diablo its possible though, reinstalling flash
09:29.06Stskeepsas adobe-flashplayer is on updates
09:29.27qwerty12Stskeeps: I know, that's why I asked if he was using diablo.
09:29.45Stskeepsah
09:30.58Stskeepssometimes i question my own sanity.. i'm trying to make actual debian installer run on tablet
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09:40.40pupnikStskeeps: apt-get works fine
09:44.56Stskeepspupnik: i'm talking about the one used on cd images and such :P
09:45.04Stskeepsand yes, apt-get is prolly fine for many things
09:46.18qwerty12Stskeeps: Is there any point, I had fun using this installer on my tablet last time :P
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09:46.51Stskeepsqwerty12: not sure yet, just investigating since it is a more natural way to install and do preseed configurations and stuff
09:47.05qwerty12Ah
09:47.12Stskeepslooking into a way where it would bootstrap a chroot folder with just enough to get things started, like an initrd
09:47.24AddisonGreetings and salutations gentlemen!
09:47.25Stskeepsso it doesn't need to affect maemo at all with packages
09:48.19Stskeepswhich is a plus since 2008HE (which we plan to support) is a bit low on space :)
09:48.46qwerty12Hehe, tell them to upgrade :P
09:49.58qwerty12Heh, yerga's patch for full screen control panel is fun
09:51.43bef0rdcontrol panel needs some patches to work ok on a rotated screen :P
09:52.29qwerty12In fullscreen mode, control panel works ok in rotation, easily usable.
09:52.41bef0rdsmall icons?
09:52.59qwerty12Nah, large icons
09:53.31zapWoo-hoo! looks like PowerVR will get some use soon :)
09:54.08qwerty12zap: drivers discussion wiki?
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09:54.58zapwiki and mailing list
09:55.08qwerty12ok
09:55.17zap<<We are working to get some version of driver available to developpers but it won't be any Nokia supported version.  The plan is least tell in Maemo Summit could we resolve existing problem and make driver some way available.>>
09:55.47X-Fadezap: Plan to tell if ;)
09:56.27qwerty12Oh, I saw that message y/day
09:58.11zapX-Fade: well its nice to hear anyway that Nokia is on our side :)
09:58.49zapX-Fade: do you know what happened with the builder?
09:59.07X-Fadezap: ?
09:59.32zapit doesn't work, I'm trying to push zip/unzip/zip3 through for several days
10:00.02X-Fadezap: I see them as OK?
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10:00.04zaphttps://garage.maemo.org/builder/chinook/unzip_5.52-14-maemo3/
10:00.40zaphttp://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/z/
10:00.42zapno zip or zip3 here
10:01.14zapbut in the builder the log says everything's ok
10:01.38X-Fadezap: Yeah, so it is not the builder but the repository queue.
10:02.02zapand how much it'll be here?
10:02.23zapI waited more than 24h, then uploaded them again yesterday at night
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10:02.47X-Fadezap: I'll check a bit later.
10:02.52zapthank you
10:04.03zapsome people got out of disk space errors in their logs, maybe that's the reason...
10:12.26bef0rdis there any way to view microb error console? (does it even exist :) ?)
10:13.35zapHey people, what do you think about making a garage project for quick maemo ports of unix packages? The idea is it to contain just the debian/ directory for packages, and use the unchanged mainstream tarball as base (all patches will go to debian/).
10:14.06zapI mean, it's overkill to make separate projects for every unix program in existence...
10:14.17X-Fadezap: Look at mudbuilder on garage.
10:14.26zapaha, ty
10:14.28X-Fadeor mud-builder.
10:14.41zapI'm not the first to think of it? :)
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10:21.44zapUgh, Perl...
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10:21.50zapis a perl hater...
10:25.22lbtanyone know of a video clip organiser for the tablet?
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10:34.57bef0rdhave you seen videocenter?
10:36.39qwerty12bef0rd: btw, control panel full screen, rotated: http://i34.tinypic.com/e1w2c.png
10:37.27RST38hperl is good!
10:37.33RST38h[where it is needed of course]
10:38.14lbtperl is good anywhere!
10:39.01zapwell, fortunately you don't have to learn Perl to use mud-builder :)
10:39.04bef0rdqwerty12, it looks ok, it could look better though :P
10:39.10RST38hJalimo guys released J2ME for N8x0
10:39.14qwerty12It works :P
10:39.25RST38hSo, whoever wanted to play those mobile java games, it is your lucky day
10:39.27qwerty12RST38h: w00t :).
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10:39.48zapit must be damn slow
10:41.34t_s_ook, now im really confused. used the tablet until the battery showed close to empty. put it into offline and locked it, then left it there. it stayed that way for 10 hours! then when i hit the power button to wake up the screen it went dead on the spot...
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10:41.56qwerty12is really liking the look of the preview of omweather 0.21
10:43.38qwerty12Oh shit, it's in svn too, I'm building straight off
10:44.12RST38hzap: They say it is using JIT
10:44.19zaphmm, ARM JIT?
10:44.26RST38hzap: Also, it won't be slower than on my 208MHz E70
10:44.33RST38hThere is no ARM JIT
10:44.42zapqemu-like JIT?
10:44.43RST38hJazelle is no JIT
10:44.55RST38hzap: *some* JIT that is part of Sun's PhoneME
10:45.10zapAh, I was meaning "ARM JIT" as in "JIT for ARM cpus"
10:45.14RST38hqwerty: Screenshot? =)
10:45.19RST38hzap: Well, yes
10:45.33zapcool then, must try it )
10:45.45RST38hzap: Tell us what you find! =)
10:45.52RST38his kinda afraid to put this thing on his tablet
10:46.19glassRST38h: url for that thing? like with lists of jsr's it supports etc
10:46.34zapwhat bad things can happen anyway? the worst - you will have to reflash, and I've passed through this lots of times ;)
10:46.35glassspeed should be ok, but the resolution kills most games.. is it configurable?
10:46.45RST38hglass: http://smancke.blogs.evolvis.org/2008/08/01/phoneme-for-maemo-and-openmoko/
10:47.08RST38hThe only problem is, these Jalimo guys are kinda introverted - it is very difficult to understand what they are talking about
10:47.31qwerty12RST38h: http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2008/07/19/omweather-021-preview/
10:47.38glasshmm cdc != j2me
10:47.53RST38hglass: well, j2me is really cldc
10:47.57RST38hbut cdc will do
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10:48.31glassyes.. but i'm not finding reference to midp anywhere
10:48.42glassdo they have the classes for that or not?
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10:48.47RST38hqwerty: Wow. Is it >20MB in size now? =)
10:48.59RST38hglass: oh, see, it is historical :)
10:49.11RST38hglass: midp became j2me that later became phoneme
10:49.19RST38hglass: it is the same freaking thing
10:49.21qwerty12RST38h: I hope not :D. Let's see if I can get this to build, debian changelog says it is 0.21 version...
10:49.38glassRST38h: ..?
10:49.54glassRST38h: whidh midp version they support then or any?
10:50.39RST38hglass: prolly midp 2
10:50.46RST38hglass: because phoneme is midp2
10:51.13glassaha then. cldc 1.1 like? with floats
10:51.57RST38hthis I do not know
10:52.09RST38hI guess running some benchmark will show you the exact version
10:53.56bef0rdhttp://wiki.openembedded.net/index.php/Java#J2ME_MIDP2.0
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10:55.48RST38hbedf0rd: I think it is different from the PhoneME they have just ported
10:56.51bef0rdbut phoneme is another VM right?
10:58.03RST38hit is vm+libs
10:58.19RST38hlibs are in C
10:58.28RST38hand there are Java wrapper for them
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11:00.34blafaselTalking about introverts.. The vala guys are somewhat unreachable..
11:01.47juergbiblafasel: are we?
11:01.58RST38hblafasel: make a human sacrifice.
11:02.03blafaselDamn. You get me every time ;)
11:02.07RST38hor at least slaughter a goat.
11:02.16blafaseljuergbi: WTF? =) Since when are you here?
11:02.25juergbiblafasel: for ages ;)
11:02.29blafaselAnd what's the magic highlight?
11:02.42blafasel"vala" + "hard" ;)
11:03.44blafaselAt least this time I was idling patiently for 12 hours before I gave up though.
11:04.01juergbii don't have much time, so i may be slow at responding sometimes but i try to answer when questions arise via irc
11:04.02blafaseljuergbi: Do you own a maemo device?
11:04.11juergbiyes, i have a n810
11:04.16blafaselAh, nice
11:04.55lirijuergbi: do you also have/had an N800?
11:05.05juergbino
11:05.21lirijuergbi: how's the GPS on the N80?
11:05.30lirierr, *N810
11:06.00juergbiit used to be pretty bad
11:06.15RST38hNokia: Connecting People!
11:06.16juergbihowever, with a-gps in diablo it works pretty well
11:06.16RST38h=)
11:06.49juergbithe map application could use some improvements but it works
11:07.38blafaselRST38h: ;)
11:07.59blafaseljuergbi: Can I bug you with this vala question of mine? Do you have a second?
11:08.12juergbiyes
11:08.14blafaselHere or over in #vala?
11:08.18lirijuergbi: ahh good
11:08.24juergbi#vala probably makes more sense
11:11.10pupnik<PROTECTED>
11:12.10zapX-Fade: ah, forgot to ask: does DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS on maemo-builder include the 'thumb' option? I see my packages aren't built as thumb, although they have support for it
11:12.23pupnikhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGz52EIVN8s  Quake 2 on pandora devboard
11:12.54zapsoftware or hardware 3D?
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11:22.08zapI can't believe, it's PowerVR :)
11:23.08RST38hit most likely is not
11:23.14kulveat least some of the pandora people do have beta sgx drivers. I really don't know if that uses them
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11:23.46RST38hcan't believe PowerVR IP holder makes any money seeing how difficult it is to get access to their APIs
11:24.16zap:)
11:24.20kulveRST38h: their API is used by millions of nokia phones
11:24.47zapORLY?
11:25.16kulveafaik all those n-series phones uses powervr
11:25.40RST38hkulve: but how many applications?
11:25.47zaphaven't seen any 3D on my wife's father' N95
11:25.48kulveRST38h: probably 0 :)
11:26.02RST38h"used" means "running inside an application"
11:26.43glasskulve: not all
11:26.48kulveRST38h: I excluded games from "application"
11:26.52glasszap: n95 can do really nice 3d
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11:27.11zapglass: how I can see it?
11:27.31zapN810 could do some nice 3D as well, perhaps
11:27.34zapjust no drivers :)
11:27.36kulvezap: buy a game (if there really isn't any free ones)
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11:27.37glasskulve: just n93,n93i, e90, different n95 flavors and n82 have 3d in hw(might forget one model)
11:27.42kulvezap: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N95
11:27.49kulve"332 MHz Texas Instruments OMAP 2420"
11:27.57kulve"Fully HW accelerated 3D (OpenGL ES 1.1, HW accelerated Java 3D)"
11:27.59glasszap: download some 3d games that use it.. that one rally game at least and some others
11:28.19glasszap: or some j2me stuff that use the 3d lib
11:28.38zapok
11:28.48pupniksoftware zap
11:29.05glasse90 does nice 3d on the highres inside screen
11:29.37RST38hOn the other hand "sell hw manufacturer some 3d crap, do not let his clients use it hoping that this way nobody figures out it is crap" is also a good strategy
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11:30.40glassi'm not sure but i think the quake port for n95 uses the 3d hw too
11:32.04RST38hit runs on 3d-less phones afaik
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11:39.49pupnikhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe_R787gREc  jaguar emulator
11:40.20glassRST38h: the same libs use sw on phones without hw
11:41.46pupnikhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JH-mcMpBocU  snes emulator
11:43.43bef0rdeverybody is getting snes emulator but us :(
11:43.53bef0rd(decent speed snes emulator)
11:45.25RST38hsnes9x
11:45.39RST38hjust port it (preferably gp2x version) and you are all set
11:46.50bef0rdI was checking somebody else's work trying to port a gp2x snes emulator, it was an horror, as he called the src package :P
11:47.35RST38hwell, gp2x guys are kinda haxxorish
11:47.45RST38hbut it should still be portable
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11:51.58bef0rdoh, it was pupnik heh http://pupnik.de/snes9x.html
11:52.02khertan_huhu i get a new 22" screen ...
11:52.07khertan_this change many things !
11:54.26bef0rd;_;
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12:31.04lbtpython-tk anyone?
12:31.17lbtapt-get install python has it as 'suggested'
12:31.37lbtbut it "has no installation candidate"
12:31.51qwerty12_N800don't think tkinter is available on the tablet
12:32.32lbtis that a hangover from the upstream packaging then
12:32.35Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: was it mmc+unionfs that needed the case_ stuff or unionfs itself, btw?
12:33.34qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: just the unionfs. the mmcunionfs is a bunch of scripts for it
12:34.03Stskeepsk
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12:43.08khertan_my new screen have a dead pixel ...
12:43.09khertan_in the middle ...
12:43.12khertan_lol
12:43.36khertan_hopefully buy it to a local store and the seller will exchange me it ...
12:44.14Stskeepswhy is
12:44.25Stskeeps'catapults' on the list of banned items on flights? ..
12:46.11khertan_raaahahahahahahahah glade3 isn't really stable !
12:46.18khertan_lost my modifications !!!
12:46.19khertan_grrr
12:48.12qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: so you can't you can catapult the pilot with a bomb and give him/her brain damage
12:48.38Stskeepsalso, this is in cabin baggage
12:49.56jottspeaking of baggage, now it's official: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/01/AR2008080103030.html
12:50.30khertan_bye ... returning my screen to the seller ... :)
12:52.25RST38hjott: Yep. Officially fucked.
12:52.32jottbest thing is that they are allowed to share copies with "private entities"
12:53.17RST38hThe funny thing is, media inspection at the border was one of the USSR trademark kinks
12:53.40RST38hDidn't take long, hehe =)
12:53.50jottRST38h: hah moscow should sue them for patent violation :P
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12:57.17rm_youis that just in checked baggage, i wonder?
12:57.19RST38hjott: don't worry, local news outlets are sure to use this stuff for "no freedom in US" propaganda =)
12:57.30rm_youor if i am carrying my laptop with me on the plane, could they take it then too
12:57.33RST38hrm_you: no, personal inspection too
12:57.54qwerty12_N800RST38h: sounds like the local news have a point...
12:57.55RST38hthey will take your laptop at customs checkpoint in the US, if they want to
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12:58.06RST38hqwerty: Oh, that is the whole point
12:58.25RST38hqwerty: On one hand, it is propaganda, on the other hand, they have got geniune basis for it
12:58.36qwerty12_N800true
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12:59.37RST38hit's isn't like western media treating Russia any differently though.
12:59.56zapyesterday on TV they said even phones and memory cards/pen drives are taboo as well
13:00.06RST38hany media
13:00.29RST38hactually, I got into this kind of trouble once at NYC customs
13:00.43zapI was surprised because this is not mentioned in the media you gave a link to yesterday
13:01.03bef0rdit would be funny to travel with some of those old 5 1/4 floppy disks
13:01.04RST38hzap: if you google for it, you will see that they mean all the media
13:01.13RST38hzap: even pieces of paper with phone numbers in your pockets
13:01.20zap:))
13:01.26RST38hbef0rd: Oh, in my case it was even BETTER
13:01.28rm_youit sucks but for once I'm counting on them to look at me as some white guy <_<
13:01.45RST38hbef0rd: I had a NOR flash chip soldered to a USB connector (no flash drive)
13:02.06zapoh my
13:02.22RST38hrm_you: They are prohibited from racial profiling, so they will anal-probe everyone =)
13:02.32bef0rdhaha, self made storage device
13:02.34RST38hbef0rd: So when the guy asked me to show what is onit...
13:02.36rm_youheh, yeah, but they still do it <_<
13:02.56zapI would like to see their face if you would have an old-style alarm clock with some chips soldered and lots of wires around
13:03.04RST38hbef0rd: I pleasantly told him that it is no problem, but I will need a TV, an outlet to plug my devkit board in, and a computer to make connection to the devkit
13:03.17RST38hbef0rd: Guy sucked it up =)
13:03.27RST38hzap: You better not try
13:03.34rm_youi am not even concerned about what they would find, but I *NEED* my laptop for my job
13:03.44RST38hzap: They will find a reason or two to screw you up for good then
13:03.59rm_youi cant have them taking it for months
13:04.03rm_youor even weeks
13:04.25jottrm_you: let them copy your hdd and give them to some private entity. :/
13:05.14qwerty12_N800I'll use google maps method of going from uk to us and swim
13:05.33rm_youI wonder what they would think of some of the stuff I have on there O_o
13:06.07rm_youvisits 4chan /b/ sometimes
13:06.54rm_youat least, it is all on arrival in US right?
13:07.00bef0rdbtards :|
13:07.08rm_youso i wont have to worry about them stealing my N800 on the way to the summit <_<
13:07.28rm_youI bet some of the security people at the airports are /b/tards
13:08.05zapthey will enjoy your content them
13:08.09zap*then
13:09.32lbthttp://www.truecrypt.org/
13:09.59lbtnow, can we use the multiboot to install it?
13:10.07jottlbt: encryption ensures your laptop will be taken :p
13:10.13qwerty12_N800they'll want the decryption password
13:10.21lbtread the page :)
13:10.23Veggenjott: even if it's work policy?
13:10.32Veggenjott: it is at my work.
13:10.44lbtit will boot to a nice easy OS with innocent files
13:10.55jottVeggen: your work for the terrorists!?  *scnr*
13:11.58lbthttp://www.truecrypt.org/docs/?s=hidden-operating-system
13:12.15lbtor it just boots a normal OS
13:12.43Veggenlbt: quite good idea, in fact, but *if* they discover something fishy, they'll never give it back ;)
13:13.14jottand if there is a truecrypt password prompt at bootup that *is* suspicious.
13:13.37lbtno, the laptop boot sector is normal
13:13.42lbtboots to the decoy os
13:13.42VeggenI think I'm never gonna bring my laptop to US without ensuring a) I have no sensitive data on it, b) that I have a complete/full backup from the day before I leave.
13:13.55lbthowever, the usb stick (containing piccies)
13:14.00lbthas a boot sector
13:14.22lbtand *it* will point the laptop to the truecrypt bootloader
13:14.27lbtthen that asks for a pw
13:14.37lbtwhich goes to the second decoy OS
13:14.38Veggengood idea, until you forget the USB stick at home.
13:14.53lbtor drop the laptop
13:14.59lbtor, or, or
13:15.05lbtpaff ;)
13:15.06zapor they find the usb stick
13:15.16zapin your pocket
13:15.25qwerty12_N800and they decide to boot from it
13:15.30rm_youship it via first class mail
13:15.30lbtand the guards have the knowledge to boot with the stick in place do they?
13:15.41rm_youthey can't search THAT without probably cause :P
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13:15.50lbtand as I said, which goes to the second decoy OS
13:16.02lbtwith 'confidential' work info on it
13:16.09qwerty12_N800lets hope they don't read maemo irc logs
13:16.11lbtwhich you admit under duress
13:16.16lbtof course they do
13:16.21bef0rd:X
13:17.03lbtanyhow, Truecrypt is probably best of breed, if you care.
13:18.05lbtit's 'good enough' to get past TSA and to protect your data even if they confiscate it.
13:18.18lbtThey can't then extradite you for copying CDs
13:18.38bef0rdI still think its easier to upload your sensitive data encrypted somewhere to the internet, and erase your hdd completly
13:18.52RST38hyes, seems to be the only way
13:19.12lbtbef0rd: yes, that's an alternative if you will have internet access
13:19.34qwerty12_N800i like rm_you's idea :p
13:20.02jottlbt: i still think you can see the presence of truecrypt (of course not proof the existence of the hidden os).
13:20.11lbtno you can't
13:20.12jottanyway, there are always ways to get data in and out
13:20.38lbtread Schnier if you like :)
13:20.47lbts/ier/eier/
13:20.51bef0rdthere are also a lot of places to hide an 8gb microsd too
13:21.31qwerty12_N800don't give them an excuse for anal probing...
13:21.31jottlbt: you can see a partition which has no real data on it => assume it is encrypted.
13:21.49lbtjott: no you can't
13:22.03lbtunused space
13:22.08jottlbt: you have an outer partition that is encrypted.
13:22.24lbtit can be set up properly; it can be set up badly
13:22.34jottevery intelligence will *assume* that the "unsused" space contains encrypted data
13:22.46lbtthat's OK
13:22.47jottunused
13:23.12jottif you tell them you used "truecrypt" it is OBVIOUS that there is probably a hidden partition.
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13:23.35lbtif someone who knows about truecrypt is talking to you then you are already in game over mode ;)
13:23.37jott(to reveal the outer partition)
13:23.45lbtas far as delays go
13:23.58bef0rdqwerty12_N800, lol, I was thinking in a watch, even a pacemaker, I dont think they will disassemble it :P
13:24.55jihoonI wonder about how I change the CPU frequency.
13:25.04qwerty12_N800bef0rd: hehe. a pacemaker is a bit extreme but i guess whatever it takes...
13:25.04jihoonAre there anyone who know about that?
13:25.10jottso i think this "hidden" partition under extorsion scenario is not very realistic :P
13:25.20lbthttp://www.truecrypt.org/docs/?s=plausible-deniability
13:25.36lbtseriously, read up on it if you are interested.
13:25.55lbtyour arguments will almost certainly have answers.
13:26.17jottlbt: seriously, it depends on what scenario you assume.
13:27.08lbtnothing is 100% secure
13:27.22lbthowever this approach offers the current best of breed
13:27.26jottand *if* i expect data on a device and the person reveals the password saying it is truecrypt, it is obvious to assume that there is a hidden partition, no matter if there is no way to proof it.
13:27.43lbthence Guantanamo bay...
13:28.30lbtyour argument is "if they do something suspicuous then they are guilty - shoot them"
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13:28.38jottyes.
13:28.40lbtwhich seems like the US
13:28.54jottfor example
13:29.01jotti suppose china too
13:29.08lbtindeed
13:29.23lbthowever the problem is that the criteria you use for guilty
13:29.35lbtencompasses too many people
13:29.46lbteven for the US to 'disappear'
13:29.57lbts/US/china/
13:30.04lbt(sorry, easy to do nowadays ;) )
13:30.42lbtOK - back to bootmenu
13:31.37t_s_oah, there we go. new mauku installed
13:31.39jottwell all i say it does not really matter if you use a hidden partition or not if you are in some states.
13:32.01t_s_onot sure i like the kinetic scroll, but thats a minor issue with the scroll bar turned on ;)
13:32.19lbtthe thing is, the approach will get you past the TSA quick boot check...
13:33.07lbtdoes anyone know of any rules about partitioning an mmc card for multiboot?
13:33.10jottyeah well as i said, it's easy to get data in and out if you really want to.
13:33.25lbtie the first partition should be vfat
13:33.36jottlbt: i set it up this way, less trouble.
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13:34.29texellbt: what TSA quick boot check?
13:34.44texellbt: I've never had to pass any such thing bringing my N810 in or out of the US. O.o
13:34.51lbtthe TSA ask you to boot your laptop to make sure it isn't full of semtex
13:35.04texellbt: semtex? O.o
13:35.13qwerty12_N800bomb stuff iirc
13:35.18texellbt: I've also never had to do that with full on laptops, either. =op
13:35.25lbtme neither
13:35.32lbtbut they do it every now and again
13:35.36texelActually, I had to do that /before/ the TSA started mucking with "security".
13:35.44texelI haven't since they started, though.
13:35.47lbtpossibly more nowadays given recent news
13:35.53texelRecent news?
13:35.58texelhas been in Tokyo for the last month
13:36.07lbtsee "the internet" ;)
13:36.13texelBlargh.
13:36.32texelToo, much trouble to look it up. =op
13:36.36texels/,//
13:37.36texel(weird watching Japanese traditional kabuki on TV where they speak /mandarin/)
13:39.23jotttexel: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/01/AR2008080103030.html
13:39.32texeljott: Thanks. =o)
13:41.00lbtso, for multiboot on 8Gb MMC I was thinking : 2Gb vfat for data :: 1Gb ext3 Chinook everyday-use :: 512Mb ext3 Chinook test :: 512Mb ext3 Diablo test :: 512Mb ext3 2007 test:: 2Gb ext3 Debian :: Spare (not Truecrypt!!)
13:41.16lbtdoes that sound sensible?
13:41.35lbtdo I need anything for the bootmenu thing?
13:41.46texelWell.
13:41.52texelOkay, so the plot thickens.
13:41.55texelI was worried about that.
13:42.00jottlbt: probably some modifications to select the partitions
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13:42.13lbtjott: how do you mean?
13:42.24texelLooks like I get to image my laptops, encrypt the images, and then wipe all equipment when I go back to the states. =o(
13:42.28lbtI was going to pull the MMC to my desktop and partition there
13:42.30jottlbt: well just to have the correct menu entries :)
13:42.36lbtgotcha
13:42.47lbtthe idea was to image the test partitions
13:42.53qwerty12_N800lbt: you'll need to add entries bootmenu.conf
13:42.54lbtthen I can easily restore them
13:43.04lbtto test installations, dependencies etc
13:43.19jottyeah sounds useful.
13:43.22lbtdo I need a tiny partition to store bootmenu data?
13:43.32lbtI was going to do a wiki page
13:43.33jottno it's all in the initfs
13:43.43lbtwhere does that live?
13:43.46lbtin the flash?
13:43.50jottinternal flash
13:43.57texeljott: Big thanks for that link. =o)
13:44.16lbtOK, I may want to make a bootmenu partition then with things to flash
13:44.29lbtin the event of diablo upgrades overwriting it
13:44.34lbtetc
13:45.25lbtis ext3 the correct fs? rather than jffs2?
13:45.34qwerty12_N800yes
13:45.49jottjffs2 is for mtd devices.
13:45.54qwerty12_N800some prefer ext2 over ext3 for mmc cards
13:46.18lbtisn't ext3 w/o journalling == ext2?
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13:46.49jottlbt: more or less.
13:46.51lbt[I always use XFS :) ]
13:47.44jottif you build the kernel module and modify the initfs scripts you should also be able to use xfs.
13:48.02lbtnah - no real benefit here
13:48.12lbtI want it to be generic
13:48.42lbtanyway have you seen the mem requirements to repair xfs
13:48.46qwerty12_N800just add the xfs module to be loaded to bootmenu.conf instead of going for the scripts directly
13:49.33jottactually bootmenu.conf is an initfs script :P
13:49.47qwerty12_N800true :D
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13:51.17qwerty12_N800btw, does this look correct? I get the framebuffer output  but then the n800 reboots: http://pastebin.com/m7a3c5627
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13:53.12qwerty12_N800i may just end up duplicating lines in linuxrc and have flashfb as a "special" id
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13:56.38t_s_olets just say that things are turning from silly to tragic with frightning efficiency...
13:56.53t_s_owell oops on me, the log was scrolled...
13:59.01texelt_s_o: so are you taking about the US TSA/CBP issue? O.o
13:59.09t_s_oyep
13:59.16texelMm.
14:00.07texelThe worst part of it seems to be that the populace can't do anything about it. =o(
14:00.54texelDespite the fact that the US is a democracy, we have about as much input to the decisions of our politicians as the Japanese have with theirs. =o(
14:01.22t_s_osupposedly, japan to is a democracy...
14:01.46texelRight, they are, but in a different way.
14:01.47t_s_ostill, i was ones corrected for calling either that, as neither is a true democracy...
14:02.05texelWell, they're "representative" democracies.
14:02.21t_s_oindeed
14:02.24texelA true 1:1 democracy isn't possible with such a large group of people.
14:02.42t_s_oi dont know, i think irc something brings out the anal detalist in people
14:02.47texelAnd can arguably be one of severely diminishing returns as people vote in blocs.
14:02.49t_s_ough, sometimes
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14:03.25texelshrugs
14:03.42texelPersonally, I'd rather establish the first interplanetary colony on the moon, Luna. =op
14:04.32texelDefending it would certainly be easy -- just toss rocks at the invaders. >=o)
14:05.12t_s_oheh, i could have sworn there was a sci-fi book that contained something like that
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14:14.23texelt_s_o: there was.
14:14.28texelt_s_o: By Vox Day, I think.
14:14.33texelt_s_o: "Rebel Moon"
14:14.42texelt_s_o: And also by Heinlein, actually.
14:14.56texelt_s_o: "Stranger in a Strange Land", IIRC.
14:14.58t_s_oi think maybe its the latter i have heard about
14:15.07texelYeah.
14:15.26texelThe latter has a computer on the moon get mad at it's occupants and attack the earth by throwing rocks. =op
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14:17.05qwerty12_N800mikkov_: what is the difference in your port of lbreakout2 and Yann Benigot's one?
14:22.19t_s_otexel: maybe it was "the moon is a harsh mistress" that you had in mind when you where thinking about a heinlein book
14:24.08t_s_oit could seem that a rail gun on the moon throwing rocks at the earth is a fairly common theme...
14:24.58t_s_oas for setting up a colony to get away from earth politics. didnt RMS talk about something that when writing about DRM and sharing?
14:26.24texelt_s_o: yes! Yeah, that's the one. =op
14:26.49texelt_s_o: Hm. I think so, now that you mention it.
14:27.05texelt_s_o: But I think it was for a demonstration of how bad DRM is.
14:27.13texelt_s_o: or misused copyright.
14:27.16t_s_oindeed
14:27.38texelt_s_o: I wasn't saying setting it up to get away from earth politics, really.
14:27.47t_s_oby setting up something of a hippie commune on the moon that shared media and ideas freely
14:28.06texelt_s_o: just to get away from this "terrorist" this and "terrorism" that shit.
14:28.26texelt_s_o: because getting to the moon is a crapload harder. =op
14:28.33t_s_owell i would say thats part of the political landscape these days, so...
14:28.39texelMmm.
14:28.44texelTrue enough. =o/
14:29.06t_s_osadly i suspect that people like jfk are extinct these days...
14:29.13t_s_othat bullet did more then kill a man...
14:29.17texelMm.
14:29.31texelI guess I"m just sick of having my rights slowly stripped away without my consent.
14:29.32jottit's actually a basis of modern politics to uphold the fear of terrorism.
14:29.41texelAnd what's worse is...
14:29.44texel...when I protest...
14:30.00texel...the large mass of IDIOTS around me respond with, "what? You don't like to be safe?"
14:30.11texelMy usual response is "FUCK NO IF IT MEANS LOSING MY RIGHTS!"
14:30.31texelWhich just pisses them off, of all things.
14:30.45texelInstead of making them think.
14:31.19texelAlso, IDIOTS usually equals TSA guys and most of the general public.
14:31.45texelI actually had a little chat with one of them on the way through the checkpoint.
14:32.25jottgiven the number of homicides in the us it's actually quite "funny" to think about the increased safety by stripping basic freedoms.
14:32.27texelHe had no idea what the word "draconian" meant, and stated to me (after I protested about the 3oz liquid ban) that "they were going to blow up planes with liquids"
14:32.27t_s_ohttp://www.stallman.org/images/brave-and-free.jpg
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14:33.29texelMy response was, "So 'they' is me by that logic, and I clearly do not have anything that would be useful for such a thing, as by your own search."
14:34.23t_s_osadly, just like no sane communist had a badge, no sane terrorist have one...
14:34.37texelHeh
14:35.12texelYet they continually bandy about the "Terrorism ID badge" for all US citizens that essentially creates a national ID system to track /our own citizens/.
14:35.28jotti thought a beard was a terroist badge nowadays? :P
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14:36.32texelNah. Anything that makes you look like anything but Bush is the badge.
14:36.52texel"That child is a terrorist!"
14:36.54texel"Why?"
14:36.56jottah right either him or a terrorist.
14:36.56mattis_can anyone help me with my usb-webcam problem?? http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=209559
14:36.59texel"He's smaller than the president!"
14:37.16texel"Burn her at the stake! She's a witch!" =op
14:38.25texelEh. Enough complaining.
14:38.27texelTime for bed.
14:39.08bef0rdg'night
14:39.17bef0rdbreakfast time
14:39.22texelHhe
14:39.38texelRice balls are awesome for breakfast, btw. =o)
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14:43.23t_s_ojott: that beard comment made me think of something i ones heard about a terrorist in israel. to get past some guards unnoticed, he shaved his beared...
14:45.09t_s_oas for some kind of national id system, it can have both good and bad uses. and thats coming from someone thats grown up with one...
14:45.14zapIs this page still valid: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/UserSections/ ?
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14:45.37zapI had the impression that non-standard sections were deprecated...
14:48.49jottzap: it's the old wiki and and old article... i think the maemo packaging policy lists the valid sections under user/
14:48.54jottan
14:49.02zapsure, they are listed there too
14:49.14zapbut it also lists a number of useful non-standard sections too
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14:49.27mikkov_qwerty12_N800: I wasn't aware of other lbreakout2 port, but now reading the description I have pretty much same changes
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14:49.39qwerty12mikkov_: Ah, cool
14:49.55zapjott: I would prefer for example zip/rar/unzip/tar/bash etc to go into user/Commandline and not into user/tools
14:51.29mikkov_qwerty: I am still trying to get controls more touchscreen friendly
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14:52.24mikkov_qwerty: there is one mouse event i wan't to get rid of
14:52.27jottzap: i would say it's discouraged to use unsupported sections.
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14:53.13qwerty12mikkov_: great. I find lbreakout is a little awkward with regards to touchscreen sometimes
14:54.58mikkov_qwerty: how?
14:55.42fluentiscould somebody tell me more about the a-gps? how does it work?
14:55.59qwerty12mikkov_: it can be a little odd to move around
14:56.07lbtin the bootmenu initfs it says "If you remove extra stuff you may write to initfs and customize bootmenu." What's that about then?
14:56.23qwerty12lbt: if you are on diablo, you don't need to remove extra stuff
14:56.39fluentisand, yes - i've read the fab manual )) just don't think it works sometimes
14:56.47qwerty12the customisations consist of your own bootmenu.conf, utelnetd daemon and ssh server
14:56.49lbtI want to multiboot diablo/chinook/debian
14:57.02qwerty12lbt: if your flash has diablo then
14:57.37lbtit does - I'll say no for now then - ta
14:57.58lbtis this to allow pre-boot access?
14:58.13mikkov_qwerty12: if you could describe a little bit closer, i will try to fix it ;)
14:58.52qwerty12mikkov_: I'm sorry, I just can't seem to describe it. It may be just my imagination or my dodgy N800 touchscreen :)
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15:00.49mikkov_qwerty12: there is limit to 100 fps option which might have something to do with it
15:01.37qwerty12Hmm, interesting. I'll switch to your build later and try out the option after the tablet's finished charging. Thanks.
15:02.32mikkov_that option is available from options menu
15:02.55Cptnodegarddoes anyone have a link to the most up to date way of getting mouse support? the itt thread is a mess
15:04.41jotts/thread// :)
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15:08.37qwerty12What's the codename for os2006?
15:09.10zapgregale?
15:09.16qwerty12Thanks
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15:10.16zapJaffa: are you here? Can I ask something about mud?
15:10.25RST38hrm_you: here?
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15:36.33pupnikthe lgames have so far been quite high quality ports
15:36.35pupnikimo
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15:39.53zapwhat is lgames?
15:40.04qwerty12http://lgames.sourceforge.net/
15:41.32zapIt would be cool if they would use full screen resolution
15:41.38zapbut otherwise, I like them
15:41.54zapcurrently enjoys Metal Blob Solid
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15:53.19bef0rddoes microb store cache files somewhere?
15:53.34lbtwhat package has mkfs.ext2 in it? I thought ext2utils
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15:55.54lbtOK, I found e2fsprogs on debian - but it's not available on Diablo
15:57.28GreyFoxxAnyone know either if a contact can be added to the contact list via the commandline or where the data for contacts is tored if I want to automate importing contacts from another source ?
15:57.50zaplbt: make one using mud-builder
15:58.38lbtzap, I'm doing the https://wiki.maemo.org/Partitioning_a_flash_card process (+ https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card)
15:58.51lbtand notice it's not in the repo
15:59.05lbteven adding Chinook extras
15:59.16qwerty12lbt: grab it from http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/e/e2fsprogs/
15:59.24t_s_ointeresting, mitter seems able to open a new browser window pr entry double-tapped. but the rss reader and modest fails to do the same...
15:59.38zapso its actually in extras
15:59.47lbtqwerty12: at the same time I'm trying to edit the wiki
15:59.50qwerty12zap: That's the SDK repo
15:59.58zapah
15:59.59lbtso _I_ could make it work easily ;)
16:00.15lbtbut I want to make notes about the 'proper' way
16:00.44lbtand I'm not immersed enough (yet)
16:01.27lbt(and actually, I mkfs'ed the partitions on my host so I don't need it at all!)
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16:10.45pupnikBURRRRRRRP
16:11.19lbtmilhouse: are you there?
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16:29.05RST38h"It would appear that the US President has been briefed by Phoenix scientists about the discovery of something more "provocative" than the discovery of water existing on the Martian surface."
16:29.11RST38h[did they find OIL?]
16:38.15GreyFoxxRST: Where did you read that ?
16:38.33GreyFoxxok, I see it on slashdot :)
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16:40.58MangoFusionRST38h: they discovered his brain?
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16:42.38t_s_oheh, its interesting how fast a comments status can change on /., first it was funny, now its flamebait...
16:45.48RST38hGrey: http://www.universetoday.com/2008/08/02/the-white-house-is-briefed-phoenix-about-to-announce-potential-for-life-on-mars/
16:46.16RST38hMango: It is either OIL, JESUS, or OSAMA. Nothing else will interest this administration.
16:51.41bef0rdzombies
16:54.05qwerty12Community kernels can suck my dick
16:54.07lbtthat's JESUS
16:54.56qwerty12now where the fuck is my group management page
16:57.04tank-manaliens
16:58.17MangoFusionah so they must have found jesus entombed in the ice
16:58.28MangoFusionor stuck oil
16:58.40MangoFusionor found osama bin laden. also entombed in the ice
16:58.48MangoFusionor they might have found the next Nokia Internet Tablet
16:58.56MangoFusion;)
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17:00.07MangoFusionthose finn's must have discovered the transporter.
17:00.19MangoFusionnuke 'em!
17:01.51jaskawhaaat
17:01.57jaskateleports to the bunker
17:02.04MangoFusioni'm just bouncing off conspiracy theories here
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17:07.29RST38hMango: Jesus in carbonite
17:07.39RST38hMango: This matches both "Jesus" and "oil"
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17:13.10MangoFusionRST38h: hahaha
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17:13.44t_s_owtf?
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17:16.16qwerty12_N800someone kick this tosser already
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17:25.31RST38hSomebody kill him already
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17:26.15qwerty12_N800fuck off
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17:32.02bef0rd*roll eyes*
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17:33.45Atarii:(
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17:34.05qwerty12_N800lol, who tf is this cunt anywayz
17:34.16t_s_oheh, where is a op when you need one? ;)
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17:46.49Ursinhajones-, you are being reported elsewhere twice, stop it
17:46.55Ursinha*you've
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17:48.39UrsinhaCptnodegard, do you know any ops of this channel?
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17:48.54Cptnodegardhmm
17:49.07Cptnodegardno
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17:49.26Cptnodegardslaps Toni around a bit with a large trout
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17:49.45Cptnodegardhes the founder of the channel so at leats he has access
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17:50.24UrsinhaCptnodegard, we need a op to ban him
17:50.39Ursinhasince staffers are now allowed to interfere
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17:51.01Ursinha*are not
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17:51.06Cptnodegardthats retarded
17:51.07Ursinhagrr
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17:51.21Starnestommyhe's causing network-wide issues so we will take some sort of action
17:51.21UrsinhaCptnodegard, maybe he's using a misconfigured irc client
17:51.22Cptnodegardfreenode is bad engou as it is, they should at least jhelp with this
17:52.03njanCptnodegard, we're aware of it - as you can understand, we're reluctant to just resolve things with force if possible. :)
17:52.19njanCptnodegard, in the meantime, you're welcome to use /ignore - it should be taken care of within a couple of minutes, either way, hopefully.
17:52.22UrsinhaCptnodegard, that's what i was going to say
17:52.25Starnestommyit'll be over in a couple minutes
17:52.47Starnestommyactually, he's just been forced to take a break for a while so he can fix his client
17:53.04Cptnodegardgood :D
17:53.23Cptnodegardnetwork wide issues? o_0
17:53.32njanCptnodegard, he's in several channels :)
17:53.37Cptnodegardah
17:54.05Cptnodegardback to the topic
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17:54.19Cptnodegardi see qwerty12 isnthere, but does anyone know how hes running xchat on os2008?
17:54.49Ursinhaok, i may now go
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18:10.07khertan_Hi !
18:10.18mouser-Hi!
18:11.07khertan_someone know if a registration is needed for Thursday ?
18:12.51mouser-Sorry, I don't know, but there's probably someone else here that does.
18:13.44mouser-But if you're talking about the summit, there's a link for free registration at the site.
18:14.23mouser-Which, double checking, it's in September, so that's likely not what you're talking about.
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18:19.46khertan_lol
18:19.54khertan_i m talking about osim
18:20.01mouser-qwerty12_N800: Cptnodegard was wondering how you were running XChat on os2008 about a half-hour ago.
18:20.03khertan_sorry don't have said it :)
18:20.37khertan_mouser-: xchat is available in xtras-devel, isn't it ?
18:20.39Cptnodegardyup i was :D
18:20.59Cptnodegardaccording to maemo.org its 2007 only
18:21.04qwerty12_N800mouser-: heh. there's a chinook version on google and diablo one is in extras-devel
18:21.25Cptnodegardqwerty12_N800: hows it working? perfectly?
18:21.34qwerty12_N800perfectly
18:21.34RST38huses xchat on diablo and it works just fine
18:21.40RST38hchinook version afaik
18:21.45qwerty12_N800properly hildonised etc
18:21.59Cptnodegardnice. chinook version isnt in any repo?
18:22.28qwerty12_N800RST38h: tbh, chinook version is the same as the diablo one 'cept the diablo one was built under diablo sdk
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18:24.02Cptnodegardas  a noob im scared of stuff sying "EVALUATION Software! Not for productive work!"
18:31.24mouser-Yeah, but as long as you backup frequently and know how to flash your device, you're probably OK.  Nothing should actually break it beyond repair, AFAIK.
18:31.29qwerty12_N800should nudge pipeline to update gtk-gnutella
18:32.02mouser-Could someone give me a list of the default repos that are installed in Diablo?
18:34.19sp3000hrm, why am I getting in this state where I'm connecting or disconnecting to wifi or phone and I can't actually connect or disconnect
18:36.07sp3000nor does visiting offline mode help
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19:24.53sp3000also, why did I kill the channel
19:26.40lbtanyone know why http://maemo.org/development/documentation/pc_connectivity/ is borked?
19:32.32tank-manhow so?
19:32.53tank-manare the instructions incorrect?
19:33.35sp3000hmm, I should probably diablo up my N800, shouldn't I
19:33.39lbtwhen I look at it, all the 'pre' or command text is missing
19:33.59lbtsp3000: be aware of the ongoing 'extras' issues
19:36.26tank-manits a pretty long page, what is missing?
19:36.47lbtright at the top section: Installation to the Tablet
19:37.06lbtoh, wait
19:37.13lbtit's not displaying
19:37.21lbtbut when I cut'n'pasted it here
19:37.23lbtit was present
19:37.31lbtso I suspect a font problem locally
19:37.39lbtlet me check...
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19:54.11feingardenHello.  Does anyone have time for some stupid questions from a newbie 770 owner?
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19:56.31zapdon't ask to ask, just ask
19:57.33RST38hAll right, MasterGear and Virtual GameBoy uploaded to Diablo Extras
19:57.51feingardenGotcha.  First question.  Is 'red pill' mode persistent across resets of the device?  If not, is it persistent across installations of other software or do I have to go into 'red pill' prior to each install activity.
19:58.08RST38hno.no.
19:58.57feingardenSorry?  I have to enter 'red pill' mode prior to each installation attempt?
19:59.29RST38hno
19:59.57feingardenOkay, only once after each reset, then?
20:00.22RST38hyes
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20:02.06feingardenCool.  Thanks!
20:03.06t_s_oand one should not be using red pill unless its really needed...
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20:06.55XTLand remember to turn it off before GA finds out
20:06.56feingardenMakes sense.  One shouldn't use lighter fluid unless its really needed, too, and likely for the same reasons.  Sooo...
20:07.19feingardenHow does one tell when it is really needed?  Is it needed to install DosBOX?
20:08.55zapit is needed only if you want to install packages a end-user is not expected to install normally
20:08.59zapsuch as developer stuff
20:10.19feingardenDoes Dosbox fall into that category?
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20:12.26RST38hIf you can't instal dosbox in blue-pill mode, you should try installing it in red-pill mode.
20:13.16feingardenHas anyone here successfully installed it?
20:15.26RST38happarently, judging from internettablettalk posts
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20:17.57feingardenI've started reading those, though the sheer number of them is somewhat daunting, they assume a level of device-specific knowledge that I'm still aspiring to, and they are frequently ambiguous as to which model they are referring to.
20:18.37feingardenPerhaps I'm trying to run prior to walking, but I'd love to have Dosbox running on my 770.  That would be awesome.
20:19.16t_s_ounless its on the 770 part of the forum, or from around 2005, one can expect it to be about the N800 or N810, as they have the same basic internals and run the same basic firmware
20:21.19feingardenIt's in "software->gaming" which seems to cover all versions of the device.
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20:24.35t_s_oyou may find this page useful: http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php altho its not showing any packages for dosbox for the 770. at least not on the last official firmware. dont know about HE ones tho...
20:26.26t_s_oheh, seems my 2005 comment was a bit overly old :P
20:28.01t_s_oah, its pupnik thats doing dosbox for maemo. should have known...
20:28.14nomisOk, I have a drawing area with a gstreamer xvimagesink on it and it shows the camera image nicely. However, when the widget is partially obscured and gets exposed again, the video does no longer get shown in that area. Do I have to paint the exposed area with the XV color key myself?
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20:29.33nomisgst_x_overlay_expose() in the drawing areas expose handler does not seem to help.
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20:31.01t_s_oim guessing that rubybox will only work on os2008, so thats out...
20:31.21feingardent_s_o:  Thanks for the link.  I'd seen the gronmayer repositories listing before, and it seems like a wonderful list of thousands of ways that I can get myself and my device into serious trouble.  pupnik is indeed the one doing dosbox, but the install instructions seem to be written to an audience more knowledgable than myself.  Perhaps I should take that as a hint...
20:32.16feingardenI *think* that Rubybox is merely a gui front-end, which i don't think I'll need.  I've got some Unix and some dosbox on PC experience that I should be able to leverage to get the games running once the emulator is up.
20:32.27RST38hit probably means that you should thoroughfully educate yourself in order to obtain knowledge necessary to follow pupnik's installation instruction and install dosbox on your device.
20:32.38t_s_oits not that hard really. its just that the thread on the itt forum have grown so long that while it probably started out with the 770 in focus, it have morphed into supporting the N810, without properly showing where the older stuff ends...
20:33.13t_s_oare you installing the os2006 package on pupniks page, feingarden?
20:33.39feingardenRST: That's pretty much what i'm trying to do by asking these questions.  Starting with baby steps...  ;)
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20:38.44feingardent_s_o: The OS2006 package fails to install (as it did prior to my reflash) telling me that the libasound2 and libsdl-net1.2 packages are missing.  As I recall, my previous efforts to install these packages are what led to investigations into red pill modes and my device losing sound entirely.  (Mea culpa, obviously, but learning often involves mistakes.)
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20:41.28feingardenHowever, I now see that both of those packages are included on the Minimo - X11-Common repository, so I'll give them a try again.
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21:07.40hellwolfI cannot boot my N800 when a 4GB SDHC inserted in the external SD slot(but I don't want to boot up from SDHC). But if I remove it out, and I can use the 4G SDHC card after the N800 boot up normally. Could anyone give me some clues?
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21:08.31zaptried to reformat it?
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21:09.21hellwolfzap, well, but, what kind of reformat should I take, and what's the problem there?
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21:16.47zaphellwolf: I don't know whats the problem, but if it helps, it could mean that something happened with the filesystem structure
21:17.21zapbut its not easy to say whats up without knowing what you have modified in the OS
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21:18.10hellwolfI didn't change anything, but I'm trying to reformat my card
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21:26.19LuCkY1hi all
21:26.43flo_laphi LuCkY1
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21:27.33LuCkY1i just want to say that i did get the n810 and it realy rocks ! :)
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21:35.36flo_laplikes the n810 too
21:36.19LuCkY1:)
21:42.40liriLuCkY1: did you own an N800 before?
21:42.47liriLuCkY1: by the way congrads! :)
21:45.33LuCkY1liri: no the N810 is my first IT
21:45.37LuCkY1iri: thanks :D
21:46.40LuCkY1i did install too many apps - its getting slow :D
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21:54.54LuCkY1anyone knows why is gimzo calling to landphones free?
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23:38.36acydlordgreetings
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23:41.29VeggenHmmf. How would you tag motorcar=no except goods delivery at 6-11 (but 6-10 on saturdays) ? ;)
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23:54.43ttmrichterSomehow or other my browser has gone weird.  When I start it it just puts up a message saying "Updating" for looooooooooong periods of time before giving up claiming an internal error.  Running it from the command line doesn't give me any messages at all so I can't figure out what it's having problems with.  Is there anything I can do to recover it before I reflash my machine?  Latest OS2008 image in use.
23:56.02acydlordgo in xterm and delete the browser profile from user?
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