| 00:07.51 | zap | oh my gott, application manager is open source! |
| 00:10.23 | robink | Bah, sh is saying an app I compiled isn't there. |
| 00:12.50 | robink | Can't test it from scratchbox as it uses the DSP. |
| 00:15.00 | zap | isnt where |
| 00:15.12 | zap | maybe its missing a shared lib? do a ldd on it |
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| 00:18.47 | Frustrated | Hello |
| 00:19.44 | Frustrated | I am having some trouble getting an application to run on my Nokia 770 |
| 00:19.58 | Frustrated | and I have a few questions if anyone feels like helping |
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| 00:24.18 | robink | zap: It's sh that's complaining, not the app itself. |
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| 00:32.27 | crashanddie | Frustrated, just go ahead and ask |
| 00:32.41 | crashanddie | Frustrated, there's no point in asking if you can ask, if we know the answer, we'll reply, and we'll help |
| 00:33.40 | smackpotato | whens the new tablet coming out |
| 00:33.53 | smackpotato | id think soon |
| 00:35.35 | smackpotato | to answer all the people who as me why. its because omap3 boards are now $150 |
| 00:36.39 | smackpotato | hello hello is this this thing on. hello |
| 00:37.06 | crashanddie | smackpotato, what the hell are you on about ? |
| 00:37.21 | crashanddie | smackpotato, if you really want to talk to yourself, a mirror usually does the trick pretty good |
| 00:37.40 | Frustrated | sorry |
| 00:38.00 | Frustrated | I am wondering, does the Nokia 770 already have GTK+ version 2.1? |
| 00:38.01 | smackpotato | a development board for the ti omap3 is $150 |
| 00:38.33 | smackpotato | do you have an opinion on this |
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| 00:41.47 | smackpotato | my opinion is comercial products are come in soon, and im excited to the point of phycosis |
| 00:42.44 | robink | You mean psychosis? |
| 00:44.23 | smackpotato | ya |
| 00:44.42 | smackpotato | and come in = coming |
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| 01:03.23 | Frustrated | What do you mean commercial products? |
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| 01:07.27 | smackpotato1 | maybe a $100 arm computer or maybe a new internet tablet. is there anything out there now? |
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| 01:14.07 | Frustrated | Any new products like that? |
| 01:17.21 | smackpotato | yes? |
| 01:19.33 | Frustrated | Perhaps some of the new ultralight laptops |
| 01:19.41 | Frustrated | Theres the Nokia 810 |
| 01:19.53 | Frustrated | which isn't really new, but atleast recent |
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| 01:21.34 | robink | attempts to build the malloc-based dsp-tremor. |
| 01:22.46 | lcuk | go robink! |
| 01:22.50 | robink | ? |
| 01:23.06 | lcuk | your interest in the dsp |
| 01:23.14 | robink | Oh. |
| 01:23.44 | crashanddie | smackpotato, the n810WE will come out |
| 01:23.50 | Frustrated | My real problem is that I am trying to use my Nokia 770 at work to update to Twitter.com |
| 01:24.09 | crashanddie | HA |
| 01:24.16 | crashanddie | Now there's your main problem, my friend |
| 01:24.34 | Frustrated | however the focal "Update" button will not work, and I am interested to see if there is a functional program I can find specialised for twitter |
| 01:24.35 | crashanddie | And, as far as I can tell |
| 01:24.37 | crashanddie | you're screwed |
| 01:24.47 | Frustrated | there is such a program |
| 01:24.56 | Frustrated | which is called Mitter |
| 01:25.13 | Frustrated | http://code.google.com/p/mitter/ |
| 01:25.20 | robink | tries to figure out lardman's build system. |
| 01:25.20 | Frustrated | that is the project page |
| 01:25.30 | lcuk | Frustrated, do i gather this is mainline linux and you are willing to compile this up yourself |
| 01:25.36 | crashanddie | I love it when people just don't give a rat's ass about what you're saying |
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| 01:25.56 | Frustrated | I am willing, but I've never done it before |
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| 01:26.25 | lcuk | ok, what os have you got on your 770 and what is your main usage pattern |
| 01:26.26 | smyows | Hi o/ |
| 01:26.51 | Frustrated | This is my first real attempt at using linux, and before I was using only code I could install with the Application Manager |
| 01:26.59 | lcuk | ie: would you be willing to try the os2008hacker edition and seeing if its stable for you |
| 01:27.16 | Frustrated | Its the stock OS |
| 01:27.21 | Frustrated | Would it void my warranty? |
| 01:27.26 | crashanddie | no |
| 01:27.49 | Frustrated | Alright, hows it work/ |
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| 01:28.35 | lcuk | i dunno - you might actually be able to use pygtk on your 770, have you any idea if you can |
| 01:28.40 | crashanddie | jfgi |
| 01:29.23 | Frustrated | I was trying to figure out how earlier actually, but got nowhere |
| 01:29.57 | lcuk | its very likely that python got integrated much later, and certainly a newer version would require the latest os |
| 01:30.36 | lcuk | search google for the hacker edition of os2008 and see if you want to try upgrading to it |
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| 01:31.48 | Frustrated | I have the python runtime version 2.5 installed |
| 01:31.50 | lcuk | once you have the lastest os, you are in a better position to try running python programs. it might actually work well for you, but be warned os2008 on the old 770 might make it unstable for certain things, read it all. maybe consider os2007 since its more stable |
| 01:31.57 | lcuk | try it then.. |
| 01:32.05 | Frustrated | I have |
| 01:32.06 | lcuk | should save his fingers |
| 01:32.16 | Frustrated | it installed without a problem |
| 01:32.35 | Frustrated | however when I try to load Mitter from the list of program nothing happens |
| 01:32.38 | Frustrated | not even a loading screen |
| 01:33.12 | Frustrated | and when I try to load it from Xterm I get an error about wrapping |
| 01:34.12 | smyows | How to configure openvpn on maemo? |
| 01:34.52 | Frustrated | which I understand, is probaby more relevant to the developers, but I was hoping I could get some help installing pygtk |
| 01:35.10 | Frustrated | because I think I am probably having a UI problem if nothing pops up when I try to load the ui version |
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| 01:36.26 | smyows | Is's my config http://www.pastebin.ca/1086692 |
| 01:37.42 | smyows | What is wrong |
| 01:38.08 | crashanddie | Frustrated, the OS running on the stock 770 is pretty much outdated, not a lot of people use it (most people have an n8x0, which uses chinook/diablo) |
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| 01:38.31 | Frustrated | Understood |
| 01:40.22 | smyows | Anyone use openvpn? |
| 01:40.29 | robink | Not I. |
| 01:40.37 | Frustrated | AQctually, I am curious about openvpn myself |
| 01:41.47 | smyows | The tun do not up ;/ |
| 01:43.55 | Frustrated | What architecture does the n770 use? |
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| 01:44.43 | Frustrated | I tried to install an "armel" package which game me an "Incompatible Package" error |
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| 01:48.53 | johnx | Frustrated, the 770 under OS2006 is armel |
| 01:49.05 | johnx | but there are a lot of things that could cause an incompatible package message |
| 01:49.47 | Frustrated | Thanks |
| 01:49.57 | Frustrated | I have been recommended to try "Red Pill Mode" |
| 01:50.11 | johnx | avoid that if you can |
| 01:50.31 | smyows | johnx: do u use openvpn on maemo? |
| 01:50.38 | johnx | Frustrated, if possible just run dpkg and apt-get from the command line |
| 01:50.40 | johnx | smyows, nope |
| 01:50.56 | Frustrated | I dont have wifi at home |
| 01:50.58 | smyows | :\ |
| 01:51.17 | johnx | smyows, I don't think I have access to any VPNs at this point in my life. I'd have to make one first... |
| 01:51.56 | johnx | Frustrated, so you download packages from the internet and put them on your rs-mmc card? |
| 01:52.01 | Frustrated | What is "Red PIll Mode exactly |
| 01:52.27 | Frustrated | I am right now, otherwisre I just search for compatible packages |
| 01:52.30 | johnx | Frustrated, it relaxes the rules for what kind of things are allowed to install |
| 01:53.07 | johnx | but it can lead to problems because it can let you install incompatible things |
| 01:53.25 | johnx | also, sometimes it will let you update packages that shouldn't be updated |
| 01:54.20 | Frustrated | well it doesnt work anyways |
| 01:54.43 | Frustrated | I am missing other things |
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| 02:18.33 | brontide | I hate it when I get done with a project and realize I should have done it differently |
| 02:19.20 | johnx | I usually find it worse when I'm 75% done and find out that I should do it differently |
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| 02:20.33 | GeneralAntilles | just got back from Dark Knight viewing #3. :P |
| 02:21.05 | brontide | mumbles to himself ... need to see that movie |
| 02:21.34 | GeneralAntilles | Make sure you see it in IMAX |
| 02:21.47 | Frustrated | I like it less when I find I NEED to do it differently |
| 02:22.28 | brontide | tweaking generally it would fall into what... sysctl, sysfs, prefs.js, blocked hosts, chrome, gconf, and what others? |
| 02:26.06 | pppoe_dude | is there a way to send sms messages from my n810? |
| 02:26.17 | pppoe_dude | without bluetooth/cellphone |
| 02:26.26 | GeneralAntilles | Find some sort of web service. |
| 02:26.35 | johnx | there are webbased sms services |
| 02:26.38 | GeneralAntilles | Or use AIM. |
| 02:26.58 | pppoe_dude | hmm |
| 02:27.05 | johnx | apparently google even has one :) |
| 02:27.09 | pppoe_dude | is there a client that can do that? |
| 02:27.14 | pppoe_dude | rather than use my web browser |
| 02:27.25 | pppoe_dude | seems like the presence client on maemo should do that |
| 02:27.26 | johnx | <GeneralAntilles> Or use AIM. |
| 02:27.45 | brontide | or skype |
| 02:27.58 | johnx | apparently gtalk as well |
| 02:28.06 | pppoe_dude | what's gtalk? |
| 02:28.10 | brontide | heh |
| 02:28.11 | johnx | google talk |
| 02:28.18 | pppoe_dude | oh ok. gizmo might do that too |
| 02:28.52 | GeneralAntilles | Options galore! |
| 02:28.58 | pppoe_dude | is there actual google talk on n810? |
| 02:29.08 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm . . . Brazil or Psycho? |
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| 02:29.14 | GeneralAntilles | pppoe_dude, . . . |
| 02:29.34 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, have you already seen both? I say Brazil if you haven't seen it |
| 02:29.36 | GeneralAntilles | The whole chat framework is basically GTalk/SIP/Jabber as shipped. |
| 02:29.45 | GeneralAntilles | No, haven't seen either. |
| 02:29.53 | GeneralAntilles | Well, saw Psycho a really long time ago. |
| 02:29.58 | pppoe_dude | GeneralAntilles, seems like sip/jabber |
| 02:30.07 | johnx | google talk is jabber... |
| 02:30.12 | pppoe_dude | johnx, jabber and more |
| 02:30.28 | johnx | jabber + some kind of voice addon |
| 02:30.29 | pppoe_dude | it uses xmpp but has its own features |
| 02:30.39 | johnx | you can sign into a gtalk account with any jabber client |
| 02:30.42 | GeneralAntilles | Loading up the tablet for the flight tomorrow. |
| 02:30.55 | pppoe_dude | johnx, true, but you can't use all the features |
| 02:31.06 | johnx | correct |
| 02:31.07 | pppoe_dude | hence why i was wondering if google talk actually allows sending sms from the client |
| 02:31.38 | johnx | apparently it works by relaying it through some 3rd party |
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| 02:32.03 | johnx | it's just some user-provided feature |
| 02:32.08 | Frustrated | So then, how do I install a tar.gz file? |
| 02:32.38 | johnx | Frustrated, .tar.gz is just a generic archive format, like .zip |
| 02:32.42 | johnx | it depends on the contents |
| 02:32.57 | Frustrated | Thank you |
| 02:33.32 | johnx | what are you trying to install? |
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| 02:41.35 | GeneralAntilles | is getting around the spare battery limit by bringing a 770. |
| 02:41.46 | Frustrated | Nothing yet |
| 02:42.18 | Frustrated | Ive sort of given up on it |
| 02:42.25 | Frustrated | I dont think I'm going to find anything just yet |
| 02:42.42 | Frustrated | and I think I should just wait until Twitter reinstates IM updates |
| 02:42.51 | Frustrated | and I can just work with GAIM |
| 02:47.57 | Frustrated | Thanks for all your help, I'm sure Ill be back in again |
| 02:54.16 | robink | hopes lardman comes back soon. |
| 02:57.16 | derf | It's like 4AM in England. |
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| 02:59.14 | ChuangJiang | Hello,everyone |
| 02:59.59 | ChuangJiang | I'm from Beijing China. |
| 03:02.05 | ChuangJiang | I'm setting up the cross-compiled environment according to the URL: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/4.1/INSTALL.txt |
| 03:03.49 | ChuangJiang | I've done Step 2.1 Running installer. |
| 03:04.36 | GeneralAntilles | Only took Apple 2 weeks to get back to my with something besides a canned answer and it amounts to them telling me to use a browser compatible with the latest web technologies. |
| 03:04.45 | GeneralAntilles | Then they give me links for Firefox and Safari |
| 03:04.47 | GeneralAntilles | Helpful. |
| 03:05.41 | spcui | Hi ChuangJiang, i'm ChengDu |
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| 03:06.24 | ChuangJiang | Hi, Spcui. Nice to meet you. |
| 03:07.14 | ChuangJiang | I'm have problem with the Scratchbox, can you help me? TIA. |
| 03:07.27 | spcui | you can set up the environment via manually |
| 03:07.42 | spcui | ok, what's wrong with you |
| 03:09.10 | ChuangJiang | At present, I've already installed Maemo by the Script. |
| 03:10.21 | GeneralAntilles | starts the timer for Apple's next reply. |
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| 03:28.44 | brontide | So apple is like google, except they have worse support |
| 03:31.37 | GeneralAntilles | Probably has to do with the MobileMe fuckup. |
| 03:37.42 | brontide | Yeah, each revision seems to be FAIL at first, but eventually is ok |
| 03:41.08 | Proteous | anyone know of an app that would lock and unlock my n810 when I open and close the keyboard? |
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| 03:42.05 | Proteous | sadly its not some thing you can do with the defaut lock settings |
| 03:42.11 | GeneralAntilles | Look for autolock |
| 03:42.17 | GeneralAntilles | or something similar |
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| 03:42.29 | GeneralAntilles | There's one that deals with the slide and one with the light sensor. |
| 03:42.43 | Proteous | okay thanks |
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| 03:44.02 | GAN800 | I like how they started with an automated canned answer to move on to a human-provided one. |
| 03:44.09 | Spaceman-N810 | Holy crap it's hard to get a minisd card into this thing |
| 03:44.51 | brontide | Sounds like a personal problem |
| 03:45.18 | Spaceman-N810 | rolls eyes |
| 03:45.42 | brontide | I used a pencap to get mine to click |
| 03:46.10 | Spaceman-N810 | I finally got it |
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| 03:59.44 | Spaceman-N810 | Man, my battery meter is all f-ered up |
| 04:00.30 | Spaceman-N810 | I love this thing, but i would never recommend it to the average consumer |
| 04:01.56 | GAN800 | Makes sense, seeing as how it's not yet for the average consumer. |
| 04:02.10 | GAN800 | s/yet/yet ready / |
| 04:02.38 | GAN800 | Step 3/5 |
| 04:02.59 | Spaceman-N810 | Weird infobot thing |
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| 04:07.38 | Proteous | found slidelock,although python is all screwed up on here so I can't install it |
| 04:07.45 | Proteous | gotta reflash |
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| 04:17.52 | Dekaritae | http://winkde.org/pub/kde/ports/win32/installer/ |
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| 05:25.57 | Khertan_n810 | Hi ! |
| 05:26.07 | Proteous | OMGHI2U |
| 05:28.29 | GAN800 | Proteous killed Khertan. ;_; |
| 05:29.01 | Proteous | cries |
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| 06:21.22 | spcui | where is the code just like Ctrl-<some key> on N810? |
| 06:22.06 | AStorm | uh? |
| 06:22.15 | AStorm | there is Ctrl on N810 keyboard |
| 06:22.28 | AStorm | and it is on the default terminal taskbar |
| 06:22.35 | AStorm | called Ctrl |
| 06:23.13 | spcui | I mean the shortcuts |
| 06:24.20 | spcui | just like Ctrl+S |
| 06:27.18 | spcui | No body can answer me? |
| 06:29.28 | rmrfchik | can't parse the question |
| 06:29.34 | rmrfchik | Error 2: sytnax error |
| 06:33.54 | spcui | sorry about that |
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| 06:36.29 | AStorm | Ctrl+S is just Ctrl+S |
| 06:36.31 | AStorm | :) |
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| 06:36.47 | AStorm | or S with Ctrl modifier |
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| 07:16.23 | Khertan | Hi ! |
| 07:16.27 | X-Fade | Khertan: I'm checking your problem. |
| 07:16.44 | X-Fade | Khertan: I resubmitted the package to see if it happens again. |
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| 07:16.55 | Khertan | thx x-fade |
| 07:17.31 | Khertan | it s a package generated with tar, vi, md5, ls, and gpg :) |
| 07:17.47 | X-Fade | lol :) |
| 07:18.04 | Khertan | based and the source in chinook repository |
| 07:18.04 | Khertan | :) |
| 07:18.09 | Khertan | s/and/on |
| 07:18.19 | Khertan | so i can't certify that all works :) |
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| 07:22.19 | bef0rd | ;_; |
| 07:22.34 | RST38h | ehlo, all |
| 07:23.56 | X-Fade | RCPT TO: RST38h\nFROM: X-Fade\ndata\nHi :)\n.\n |
| 07:24.38 | X-Fade | RST38h: Or didn't you start the conversation in mailserver speak ;) |
| 07:24.39 | aquatix | FIN/ACK |
| 07:24.47 | RST38h | 250: Ok: queued ad 6666 |
| 07:25.23 | RST38h | Mhm...it was supposed to be "as", but "ad" also sounds relevant |
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| 07:28.45 | bef0rd | hey Khertan, can I ask you something about your packages? |
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| 07:29.35 | Khertan | X-Fade > [2008-07-30 10:30:01] REJECTED: Error: Can't read from dsc file 'python-hildondesktop_0.0.2-1.dsc' |
| 07:30.24 | X-Fade | Khertan: Yeah, it was too quick ;) |
| 07:30.57 | X-Fade | Khertan: Second run was better although it failed with the same Size Mismatch error. |
| 07:31.47 | Khertan | arf |
| 07:31.52 | Khertan | bef0rd > yes of cource |
| 07:31.53 | Khertan | bef0rd > yes of cours |
| 07:31.54 | Khertan | bef0rd > yes of course |
| 07:32.01 | Khertan | grrr stupid keyboard |
| 07:33.37 | RST38h | X-Fade: BTW, I just got an email "page iNES - NES/Famicom Emulator has been commented by xuan thien (xuanthien123)" with a link to maemo.org, but the iNES page at maemo.org/downloads does not appear to be commented |
| 07:33.52 | RST38h | Is it a bug, a feature, or a temporary glitch? |
| 07:34.01 | X-Fade | RST38h: Try the https version? |
| 07:34.17 | X-Fade | RST38h: I guess you are looking at a cached page. |
| 07:34.35 | RST38h | I may be (behind a proxy) |
| 07:35.01 | X-Fade | RST38h: No, our http version is cached by a squid cache. So it takes a while to see a new page. |
| 07:35.30 | RST38h | Loaded https - still no coconut |
| 07:35.37 | X-Fade | RST38h: Or you can just add some random things after the url. Like ?bla |
| 07:35.46 | X-Fade | RST38h: Ok, which url? |
| 07:36.14 | bef0rd | Khertan, I've just flashed with diablo, and was checking your home* applets. they seem to depend on a lot of things, i.e., why does the homecepuspeed depends on python-bluez and mcalendar? |
| 07:36.59 | bef0rd | s/homecepuspeed/homecpuspeed/ |
| 07:37.58 | Khertan | python-bluez ? |
| 07:38.08 | Khertan | gnie ? |
| 07:38.30 | Khertan | hum ... maybe a depandancies of python2.5-runtime |
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| 07:38.46 | Khertan | and for mCalendar ... this is an error :) |
| 07:38.55 | bef0rd | yea, that's between the dependencies that the Application Manager lists |
| 07:40.06 | Khertan | i ll correct it, and add depandancy to python-hildondesktop as i ve believe it was in python-hildon but this is not the case |
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| 07:41.11 | Khertan | hum ... mContacts sync progress ... i can now get all contacts name and email ! |
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| 07:42.15 | bef0rd | Khertan, oh, yea, it seems like python2.5-bluez is part of python2.5-runtime, I've just checked with another package |
| 07:42.32 | Khertan | :) |
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| 07:51.45 | trickie|work | jott: ping |
| 07:54.54 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:55.42 | Khertan | Jaffa > Hi ! |
| 07:56.01 | Khertan | Jaffa > on saturday you made a session of packaging with mud |
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| 07:56.35 | Khertan | do you think it s possible after your session to made a little one explaining packaging source packages with py2deb.py |
| 07:56.50 | Khertan | to upload them to extras-devel ? |
| 07:57.20 | X-Fade | Khertan: It would be good to have a packaging track anyway. |
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| 07:58.45 | Khertan | packaging track ? (sorry i don't understand the mean) |
| 07:59.13 | X-Fade | Khertan: Multiple sessions with the same theme. |
| 07:59.29 | Khertan | ah oki ... |
| 07:59.50 | Khertan | yes it ll be good to do this in the same session |
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| 08:03.28 | lbt | logo question: do you guys think the logo should explicitly _not_ reference wireless? or pda associations? |
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| 08:04.37 | lbt | qgil you just missed me ask : logo question: do you guys think the logo should explicitly _not_ reference wireless? or pda associations? |
| 08:04.54 | qgil | hi testing testing accessing through web interface |
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| 08:05.15 | lbt | seems to work |
| 08:05.55 | lbt | did you get my question? (I sent that moments after the irc notify - edge case) |
| 08:06.00 | qgil | http://www.mibbit.com/ just saved me from ssh tunneling, double wireless connections and whatnot |
| 08:06.54 | qgil | lbt: I'm not involved in the logo selection - see who is in carge at https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint3 :) |
| 08:07.12 | lbt | but you are in the community |
| 08:07.21 | lbt | I value your opinion... (I'm a judge) |
| 08:07.46 | lbt | and everyone elses... (if they care - HEY WAKE UP) |
| 08:07.47 | qgil | what is a "pd |
| 08:07.58 | lbt | pda |
| 08:08.09 | lbt | it seems the web interface may have glitches |
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| 08:09.03 | qgil | what is a "pda association"? |
| 08:09.20 | lbt | an association with a personal digital organiser |
| 08:09.33 | lbt | ie including concepts such as a stylus in the logo |
| 08:09.40 | qgil | I know what "pda" is, I mean how you associate to that concept in a logo |
| 08:09.53 | qgil | the wireless association is clear, you put those waves and there you go |
| 08:10.04 | qgil | url example of a logo with a pda association? |
| 08:10.09 | qgil | ahhhh stylus |
| 08:10.16 | lbt | the question was: should the logo explicitly _not_ reference wireless? |
| 08:10.43 | qgil | I have no strong opinion about this - I can only tell you that wired devices are not in our roadmap ;) |
| 08:10.55 | lbt | pschneid: you listening ;) |
| 08:10.56 | Khertan | lol |
| 08:11.18 | lbt | I think that the whole point any community is the core it grows around. |
| 08:11.26 | lbt | and we're not just random friends |
| 08:11.28 | Khertan | so you ll made wireless extern video out ? |
| 08:11.31 | Khertan | ;) |
| 08:11.44 | pupnik | maybe a hand holding a rectangle |
| 08:11.45 | lbt | we share a common interest - In particular we are about being untethered - communications over the ether.. |
| 08:11.48 | qgil | well, there are wireless power chargers in the market... ;) |
| 08:12.20 | Khertan | qgil > but none that don't kill the user :) |
| 08:12.31 | lbt | (what, like mobile phones?) |
| 08:12.35 | lbt | ducks |
| 08:12.58 | pschneid | First time IRC for the sake of the jury...bare with me |
| 08:13.32 | X-Fade | pschneid: So far so good ;) |
| 08:13.42 | qgil | pschneid: hi there |
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| 08:14.46 | X-Fade | Khertan: Your problem is fixed now. We needed to invalidate the cache on that package at akamai. |
| 08:15.11 | X-Fade | Khertan: You now seems to miss Build-Depends on python ;) |
| 08:15.21 | X-Fade | s/seems/seem/ |
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| 08:17.37 | lbt | pschneid: so about dropping wireless symbols... |
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| 08:21.27 | Khertan | X-Fade > thx for your help |
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| 08:21.44 | X-Fade | Khertan: We aim to please ;) |
| 08:21.44 | Khertan | i ll stop trying to do it from device ... |
| 08:22.10 | Khertan | and try to found some time to do it from the vmware sdk image this week end |
| 08:22.19 | Khertan | with debian tools |
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| 08:26.41 | pschneid | you are asking my view on wireless symbols in the to-be-chosen maemo.org logo, right? |
| 08:26.43 | RST38h | X-Fade: loaded https page - still no comments |
| 08:26.51 | RST38h | maybe the guy deleted his comment? weird. |
| 08:27.23 | X-Fade | RST38h: Which page? |
| 08:27.49 | X-Fade | RST38h: Or maybe it was a rating and he left no comment. |
| 08:27.59 | RST38h | X-Fade: https://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/ines/# |
| 08:28.10 | RST38h | The email notification said "has been commented by" |
| 08:28.22 | X-Fade | RST38h: Then the mail shouldn't have been sent. (Bug :) |
| 08:28.27 | RST38h | heh |
| 08:29.11 | RST38h | I kinda suspect it had to be sent to a different project maintainer |
| 08:29.24 | hrw | morning |
| 08:30.06 | X-Fade | RST38h: I suspect it is a rating. We turned on notification last week, so you might not have seen this before. |
| 08:32.01 | RST38h | Sounds like it |
| 08:32.14 | lbt | pschneid: yes (thought you'd gone - went to email) |
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| 08:33.03 | lbt | happy to chat in public though. |
| 08:35.38 | pschneid | lbt: well, I answered there already, but for the benefit of other IRC chatters, here is my view on IRC in regards to symbols identifying a pen or wireless connectivity in the maemo.org logo: IMHO, the maemo.org logo should communicate the values and attributes of the community and to a lesser extent of the product it works on. We should keep the doors open to contribute apps from Maemo Community to desktop projects and cre |
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| 08:38.10 | lbt | pschneid: you hit the line length |
| 08:38.22 | lbt | irc = more small sentences |
| 08:38.44 | lbt | with follow on if you type quickly (or cut'n'paste) |
| 08:38.44 | pschneid | Ja, ja, ja. Let me learn, will ya? ;-) |
| 08:39.21 | lbt | hints'n'tips - plus I wasn't sure your client would make it obvious... :) |
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| 08:42.13 | Persia | . |
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| 08:44.57 | RST38h | pschneid: I totally agree and suggest we use bare-breasted anime characters for the logo |
| 08:45.18 | pschneid | lbt: actually, my client shows the complete "biography" I wrote previously nicely - this mibbit is rather convenient client for somebody that sits behing a massive amount of firewalls |
| 08:45.38 | RST38h | pschneid: A lot of people here will agree on this, as a good reflection of community values |
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| 08:47.04 | lbt | pschneid: so on our clients you got cut off at "... desktop projects and cre" |
| 08:47.19 | lbt | which is why I waited a few mins to see if you realised... :) |
| 08:47.56 | zap_ | X-Fade: does the build environment start from scratch for every build? |
| 08:48.12 | X-Fade | zap_: Yes. It installs a clean sdk every time. |
| 08:48.57 | X-Fade | zap_: A clean slate, so we can reproduce the same result every time. (That is the idea at least ;) |
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| 08:50.40 | pschneid | and here is the rest of my last entry in "long vehicle style": We should keep the doors open to contribute apps from Maemo Community to desktop projects and create code for devices with pen-based input i.e. pure finger-touch devices, etc. |
| 08:50.56 | zap_ | X-Fade: so thats why build takes ages :) |
| 08:51.53 | X-Fade | zap_: Check the timestamps on this log for example: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/lbreakout2_2.5.2-2.1maemo2/armel.root.log.OK.txt |
| 08:52.21 | X-Fade | zap_: Takes about 2 minutes. |
| 08:52.48 | zap | :) then the server should be really busy :) |
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| 08:53.25 | X-Fade | zap: Any package in particular? |
| 08:53.29 | lbt | I suppose my take on the logo is that it should communicate to non-community members and be actively liked by community members. |
| 08:53.45 | rm_you | X-Fade: can I log into the wiki yet? >_> |
| 08:53.57 | zap | X-Fade: no, just my usual grumbling ;-) |
| 08:54.02 | pschneid | lbt: couldn't agree more. |
| 08:54.31 | lbt | I've been trying to avoid things that are too 'corporate' |
| 08:54.31 | X-Fade | rm_you: Not my department? ;) |
| 08:54.39 | RST38h | thinks the logo has to be round and navy-blue. |
| 08:54.58 | lbt | and there's a fine line between amateurish and playful |
| 08:55.38 | RST38h | [god, I was right omitting the "include a hamster and a wheel" part] |
| 08:55.43 | zap | thinks the logo has to be square and purple |
| 08:56.08 | lbt | (see - the community wants purple - deadnight it is) |
| 08:56.09 | RST38h | zap: I think we should have a fight! |
| 08:56.23 | zap | FIGHT!!! |
| 08:56.27 | pupnik | maemo logo: http://www.affordablehousinginstitute.org/blogs/us/star_wars_clone_army.jpg |
| 08:56.30 | RST38h | KILL KILL |
| 08:56.37 | zap | left, left, right, up, left, down, left, SPACE, SPACE |
| 08:56.38 | lbt | http://wiki.maemo.org/images/thumb/b/b9/Maemo.org_logo_contest_underscore_1.png/288px-Maemo.org_logo_contest_underscore_1.png |
| 08:56.43 | lbt | seems appropriate then |
| 08:57.04 | lbt | stickman starred in the photoshop/animator flash film |
| 08:57.05 | pupnik | neat |
| 08:57.15 | RST38h | zap: RESET. |
| 08:57.43 | lbt | ctl-alt-sysreq b |
| 08:58.02 | zap | by the way, anybody got a good joystick for N8xx? I looked around and there is little choice of bluetooth joysticks, and they all are damn big... |
| 08:58.08 | Khertan | up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, select, start, and with this super power, unlimited ammo i ll beat you ! |
| 08:58.36 | lbt | so pschneid, you following the rational elements of a (quiet) irc session ;) |
| 08:58.38 | zap | ban cheaters |
| 08:59.00 | Khertan | lol |
| 08:59.02 | RST38h | zap: There is exactly 1 (one) BT joystick on the market =( |
| 08:59.52 | zap | sad. I've seen some little cheap wired joystick for notebooks though |
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| 09:00.04 | Khertan | RST38h > in fact there is two ... the original on the same china copy |
| 09:00.06 | RST38h | USB connector is hidden in N810 |
| 09:00.17 | Khertan | s/on/and |
| 09:00.19 | zap | you mean you'll have to open the handle? |
| 09:00.23 | RST38h | Khertan: made at the same factory, no doubt =( |
| 09:00.26 | RST38h | zap: Yes |
| 09:00.34 | zap | this is unfortunate |
| 09:00.35 | RST38h | Actually, I can't as it is covered by the case |
| 09:00.45 | zap | we want controls like on PSP! :) |
| 09:00.47 | Khertan | RST38h > many chances ... |
| 09:00.47 | RST38h | There are few more options to consider though |
| 09:00.58 | Khertan | lol |
| 09:01.04 | zap | RST38h: which? |
| 09:01.15 | RST38h | Well, you can use your cell phone as joystick |
| 09:01.20 | zap | doh |
| 09:01.26 | RST38h | This will need a program for the cell phone |
| 09:01.31 | zap | cell phones have keyboards worse than N8xx |
| 09:01.37 | RST38h | zap: some. |
| 09:01.47 | zap | With all my respect to Nokia, it cannot do keyboards |
| 09:01.50 | lbt | include wii accel tech in your phone and bt connect it to the nit... |
| 09:01.51 | zap | *make |
| 09:01.53 | RST38h | zap: Others like E70 are pretty decent. And we are talking about dpad, not kbd right now |
| 09:02.01 | RST38h | BTW! |
| 09:02.18 | zap | buying a phone to play games sounds jerky |
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| 09:02.22 | RST38h | zap: thanks to konttori (I think) you can use WII dildo-like thingie with N8x0 |
| 09:02.32 | zap | ah, indeed |
| 09:02.38 | zap | now if it just sells somewhere here |
| 09:02.44 | zap | that would rule, I think |
| 09:02.56 | RST38h | zap: Seen it at a videogame kiosk in Sedmoi Kontinent |
| 09:03.04 | RST38h | zap: Not sure about the price, probably a lot |
| 09:03.07 | zap | nice, I'll look around |
| 09:03.35 | RST38h | ergonomics-wise, it is probably the best choice |
| 09:03.54 | zap | touchscreen is nice, but if you'll use it for controls first you risk to punch it through, and second you don't see well what happens on the screen :) |
| 09:04.43 | RST38h | and n810 dpad is just not usable =( |
| 09:04.56 | zap | especially the up arrow :) |
| 09:05.07 | RST38h | You call THAT an "arrow"? =) |
| 09:06.16 | Khertan | hey right ! we can use wii remote as a joystik ! |
| 09:06.31 | zap | Perhaps Nokia's going to sell bt joysticks for N8xx in future? Otherwise why the would make such a bad dpad? |
| 09:06.48 | RST38h | wii remotes start at $27 in US |
| 09:06.52 | RST38h | Pretty cheap |
| 09:06.54 | zap | hmm, cheap |
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| 09:07.08 | Khertan | 39 Euros in france ... pretty hight ! |
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| 09:07.27 | Khertan | i should by mine in us |
| 09:07.48 | RST38h | wonders what he should type into price.ru to get the correct item |
| 09:08.38 | RST38h | Hmm.."wii remote".... rur1450 |
| 09:09.44 | zap | RST38h: look here: http://injapan.ru/auction/d84621780.html |
| 09:10.09 | zap | and here: http://injapan.ru/auction/t72321514.html |
| 09:10.14 | zap | hee, hee, hee... |
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| 09:10.53 | zap | $18, cheaper than dirt |
| 09:11.15 | RST38h | zap: these are not controllers |
| 09:11.51 | zap | ? |
| 09:11.52 | RST38h | zap: they are fakes, flashlights that project game images |
| 09:12.44 | zap | indeed, the second seems a fake |
| 09:13.02 | RST38h | First one needs a Wii controller to work |
| 09:13.17 | zap | I know, its kind of an addon? |
| 09:13.20 | RST38h | It is a SNES-like pad that plugs into Wii controller |
| 09:14.03 | zap | this is a fake too? http://injapan.ru/auction/e78937696.html |
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| 09:15.11 | RST38h | zap: it is another addon |
| 09:15.48 | aquatix | whoa, cool |
| 09:17.06 | zap | RST38h: here's a non-fake: http://injapan.ru/auction/f69415901.html |
| 09:17.31 | zap | does it work per se, or it needs some additional add-on to function properly? :) |
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| 09:20.20 | aquatix | 11:09:44 zap | RST38h: look here: http://injapan.ru/auction/d84621780.html |
| 09:20.24 | aquatix | that one is real |
| 09:20.35 | aquatix | zap: just plug it into a wiimote and it works |
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| 09:20.54 | RST38h | aquatix: yes but we are looking for a wiimote |
| 09:21.09 | RST38h | zap: yea, this one is real |
| 09:21.23 | aquatix | ah, k |
| 09:21.31 | aquatix | well, the last link from zap is real indeed |
| 09:21.34 | RST38h | zap: How are you gonna deliver it from Sapporo to Moscow? |
| 09:23.45 | zap | RST38h: it'll cost about $30 I think, if you take several it'll be cheaper than to buy here |
| 09:24.54 | RST38h | EMS comes down to $78 |
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| 09:25.38 | RST38h | if you buy multiple ones, you hit customs and have to pay 50-100% extra |
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| 09:27.42 | zap | customs won't touch you unless your whole pack is estimated to 10000RUR, in practice I got items that cost ~$500 without paying anything |
| 09:28.00 | RST38h | zap: Hehe, you may not know yet ;) |
| 09:28.10 | zap | I buy photo lenses there :-P |
| 09:28.40 | RST38h | zap: But if you send via express service (EMS etc) the postage cost gets counted into those 10000 |
| 09:28.57 | zap | nope |
| 09:29.01 | RST38h | Yep |
| 09:29.07 | RST38h | Got hit by this once |
| 09:29.28 | RST38h | $200 customs duty on a $150 phone |
| 09:29.34 | zap | ??? |
| 09:29.43 | RST38h | They wanted $800 first |
| 09:29.47 | zap | its always 30% |
| 09:30.14 | RST38h | Yes, but the package cost is being estimated by some guy |
| 09:30.38 | RST38h | So he can tell you that your package is actually worth $500 and compute 30% of that |
| 09:30.44 | aquatix | ouch |
| 09:30.47 | zap | have you got one or several? If several, that won't pass the 'for personal use' case |
| 09:31.06 | RST38h | zap: One. And it was a developer sample (marked as such) |
| 09:31.24 | RST38h | zap: BTW, sending stuff OUT is near impossible |
| 09:31.28 | zap | neo? |
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| 09:31.35 | RST38h | zap: Moto |
| 09:31.40 | zap | ok |
| 09:31.49 | zap | well my experience so far was very positive |
| 09:31.56 | RST38h | Try sending a gaming console and a few carts |
| 09:32.06 | yerga | xap, now you are a unzip-zip admin in the garage |
| 09:32.13 | yerga | feel free to do anything ;) |
| 09:32.24 | zap | yerga: thanks :) I just wanted to fix a few things |
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| 09:33.07 | RST38h | zap: My experience so far has been "f@#king sh#t, I am buying it in US or sending it from US" |
| 09:33.47 | zap | you're unlucky :) |
| 09:33.51 | RST38h | maybe |
| 09:34.19 | Khertan | i pay a beer at the summit for the one which upload python-hildondesktop binding and the launcher to diablo extras-devel |
| 09:34.25 | Khertan | someone interested ? |
| 09:34.38 | Khertan | :) |
| 09:34.41 | RST38h | Khertan: What volume of beer? |
| 09:34.57 | Khertan | :) |
| 09:35.01 | X-Fade | Khertan: Sorry, already got enough beer credits ;) |
| 09:35.06 | zap | not less than one bucket |
| 09:35.18 | Khertan | i would say 1 Litre |
| 09:35.31 | Khertan | (Litre ? in english ... don't sure) |
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| 09:35.54 | zap | liter but everybody understands :) |
| 09:35.59 | Khertan | 1 litre = 0,264172052 gallons |
| 09:36.06 | Khertan | :) |
| 09:36.30 | zap | my vocabulary says both are ok :) |
| 09:36.59 | Khertan | remove the french dictionnary :) |
| 09:37.15 | RST38h | litre is british |
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| 09:38.03 | wnd | and gallon is ambiguous :-) |
| 09:38.03 | zap | oh well have to run now. See you. |
| 09:38.51 | RST38h | litre = dm^3 |
| 09:39.15 | RST38h | as in +1E0 dm^3 |
| 09:42.43 | atul | Hi when I am trying "[sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: ~] > apt-get update " It failed with Error message "Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/binary-armel/Packages.gz Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file.I" |
| 09:42.53 | atul | why so ? |
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| 09:52.52 | yerga | Khertan, stay tuned to the autobuilder ;) |
| 09:53.05 | yerga | I am uploading the hildondesktop bindings |
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| 09:58.30 | RST38h | atul: Repository is down |
| 09:59.09 | atul | RST38h: but when I open form browser it will get open. Ok I have to wait. |
| 09:59.16 | atul | RST38h: thanks |
| 10:00.26 | Khertan | yerga > HEY ! THANKS ! |
| 10:00.48 | yerga | first attempt failed :P |
| 10:01.07 | Khertan | ;) |
| 10:01.36 | RST38h | atul: you mean the exact file? |
| 10:01.41 | Khertan | mv: cannot stat `debian/build/usr/bin/hildon-desktop': No such file or directory |
| 10:01.43 | Khertan | :) |
| 10:02.51 | X-Fade | Heh, yerga is hunting for beer ;) |
| 10:03.21 | yerga | yes! but it will be in the next summit ;) |
| 10:03.26 | atul | RST38h: Not exactlly actually when I try to open I found the required package it not available there. |
| 10:04.16 | X-Fade | atul: Your dns lookup isn't working inside scratchbox. |
| 10:04.29 | atul | X-Fade: Yes it is working |
| 10:04.46 | X-Fade | atul: http://lists.scratchbox.org/pipermail/scratchbox-users/2007-March/000906.html |
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| 10:06.04 | Khertan | is thinking of a new website that offer a new service ... sending beer by fast postal delivery :) |
| 10:06.11 | Khertan | very usefull to all of us :) |
| 10:06.28 | X-Fade | Beer exchange. |
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| 10:06.50 | atul | X-Fade: Thanks |
| 10:08.42 | jott | trickie|work: pong |
| 10:08.57 | atul | X-Fade: RST38h: When I try to open abouve link the actual package is not there so may be that is the problem. Not of apt-get's |
| 10:09.17 | trickie|work | jott: hello |
| 10:09.29 | atul | X-Fade: RST38h: That package remove by debian guys but maemo guys forgot to remove same one |
| 10:09.45 | trickie|work | jott: i made a mail to -dev already but just wanted to check if http://sse2.net/rotate/Updated_blizzard_rotation_support_v2.diff is that lastest patch for rotation support? |
| 10:09.56 | X-Fade | atul: maemo doesn't fetch from debian.org. |
| 10:10.04 | X-Fade | atul: So you must have added that yourself. |
| 10:10.09 | jott | trickie|work: yes, this should be the latest version. |
| 10:10.22 | jott | looks at -dev |
| 10:10.54 | trickie|work | cool |
| 10:11.11 | atul | X-Fade: How come I didn't't added anything when I am trying apt-get update it is failing and on console it is displaying message which indication that it is taking form debian.org. |
| 10:11.40 | X-Fade | atul: Well, that is not coming from the maemo sdk. |
| 10:11.58 | atul | X-Fade: ok |
| 10:12.20 | RST38h | quietly wonders when Nokia adds the rotation patch to its stock kernel |
| 10:12.36 | RST38h | It is not like this patch harms anything, unless activated... |
| 10:12.39 | qwerty12 | It won't :( |
| 10:12.40 | jott | trickie|work: any particular question or just wanted to confirm that the link in the mail is right? |
| 10:12.59 | RST38h | qwerty: Why? |
| 10:13.13 | trickie|work | jott: yeah just checking i have correct versions of most (all?) know kernel patches |
| 10:13.23 | jott | trickie|work: nice. |
| 10:13.23 | trickie|work | ast least ones that are useful for the community kernels project |
| 10:13.36 | jott | trickie|work: how about a git branch? :) |
| 10:13.37 | lbt | can the kernel be upgraded without flashing in diablo? |
| 10:13.39 | qwerty12 | RST38h, Well, its an unofficial patch and it means extra work on nokia for fixing the nokia applications that do not work in rotation. |
| 10:13.52 | trickie|work | jott: can we get a git repo at the garage? |
| 10:13.55 | qwerty12 | lbt, yes, you can run fiasco-flasher as root |
| 10:13.59 | RST38h | qwerty: Nokia does not have to provide tools ot activate rotation |
| 10:14.01 | trickie|work | or just use one of the free mirrors i guess |
| 10:14.18 | lbt | jott: I wondered about git - but would quilt or similar be better? |
| 10:14.27 | RST38h | qwerty: Just needs to apply the patch. And whoever rotates his screen is on his own, it is still not an officially supported featyre |
| 10:14.44 | qwerty12 | RST38h, Maybe not. But Nokia are pretty anal when it comes to 3rd party stuff. The application manager legal message is a nice example. |
| 10:14.45 | jott | trickie|work: not yet but we could use repo.or.cz |
| 10:14.51 | jott | lbt: why in particular? |
| 10:15.13 | lbt | well, there's a constant baseline (nokia kernel) |
| 10:15.24 | lbt | maybe git repos for the patches... |
| 10:15.34 | trickie|work | jott: i would liek to use git, was just trying to stay in maemo-infrastructure land with my quilt suggestion |
| 10:15.43 | lbt | but the patches are pick'n'choose |
| 10:15.44 | jott | lbt: well *all* kernel developers use git. |
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| 10:15.54 | trickie|work | maybe we also want branches also |
| 10:15.57 | jott | and you can cherry-pick any patches you like with git |
| 10:16.02 | trickie|work | build kernels for n770's |
| 10:16.07 | lbt | jott: have you seen the name at the bottom of the git docs? |
| 10:16.26 | lbt | I *like* git |
| 10:16.27 | sbaturzio | Aloha! |
| 10:16.29 | trickie|work | yeah i agree that git would be more useful, especially if we want to start backporting anything or generating new patches |
| 10:16.40 | lbt | but I'm not sure it's right for managing a patch set |
| 10:16.45 | lbt | managing the patches - yes |
| 10:17.04 | lbt | but do we want a single alternative kernel with all patches? |
| 10:17.15 | trickie|work | yeah thats the question |
| 10:17.21 | jott | well, we can make any branch |
| 10:17.27 | trickie|work | and do we support kernels for n770's etc |
| 10:17.35 | jott | so if there is a need for a kernel with fewer patches, than that is a branch |
| 10:17.47 | jott | or for 770 |
| 10:18.12 | jott | you can easily exchange patches between the branches... |
| 10:18.46 | lbt | how does the mm kernel branch work |
| 10:19.02 | lbt | that's the model I think we want |
| 10:19.37 | jott | hm |
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| 10:20.16 | lbt | Andrew documents his process - take a look for that |
| 10:20.32 | lbt | I've not been on lkml for a few months - I know he used to use quilt |
| 10:20.41 | lbt | he may have found a way to do it with git |
| 10:21.08 | lbt | each patch of course is developed in isolation based on linus's tree |
| 10:21.19 | lbt | but there is no git of the nokia tree |
| 10:21.26 | lbt | we could make one |
| 10:21.53 | jott | based on the omap tree maybe? |
| 10:22.03 | lbt | is that their upstream? |
| 10:22.08 | AStorm | lbt: yes, nokia tree looks much like linux-omap |
| 10:22.11 | AStorm | with major patches |
| 10:22.12 | jott | i'm quite sure. |
| 10:22.16 | AStorm | most of them are in |
| 10:22.26 | AStorm | linux-omap is currently better than 2.6.21 nokia |
| 10:22.33 | AStorm | EXCEPT the stupid wifi driver |
| 10:22.40 | lbt | :D |
| 10:22.41 | trickie|work | well they are not the same though |
| 10:22.41 | AStorm | gah |
| 10:23.00 | AStorm | someone should tell Nokia to test and build the driver vs 2.6.26 |
| 10:23.08 | lbt | I think it's best to base the kernel patch on the nokia released kernels |
| 10:23.11 | AStorm | skipping 5 releases is enough |
| 10:23.13 | trickie|work | im sure they are internally though |
| 10:23.19 | trickie|work | yeah we cannot base on linux-omap |
| 10:23.23 | AStorm | lbt: they're buggy a lot |
| 10:23.27 | AStorm | but yes |
| 10:23.36 | lbt | well, I suppose backports... |
| 10:23.37 | trickie|work | as it differs and we don't want to second guess what nokia will do the future |
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| 10:23.42 | AStorm | esp. the tsc driver is buggy |
| 10:23.42 | lbt | which may get picked up |
| 10:24.02 | lbt | but they're loosely coupled (as 'patches' or branches) |
| 10:24.04 | lbt | hmm. |
| 10:24.09 | jott | trickie|work: i thought not about branching head but more of the version that is most likely the base for the nokia kernel. |
| 10:24.10 | AStorm | tsc driver works by coincidence |
| 10:24.17 | AStorm | it's ripe with race conditions |
| 10:24.28 | AStorm | the one in 2.6.25 or newer is good |
| 10:24.33 | lbt | jott - or create a new git tree |
| 10:24.43 | lbt | import the nokia released kernel |
| 10:24.48 | lbt | as head |
| 10:25.00 | lbt | and then branch each of the patches... |
| 10:25.13 | lbt | local devs can merge to test for conflicts |
| 10:25.29 | trickie|work | well i gotta run, but i think we should throw these ideas to the list |
| 10:25.32 | lbt | but the git tree keeps them independent? |
| 10:25.58 | lbt | ok - I like git approach after all |
| 10:26.46 | AStorm | really, have nokia build the frigging driver against some recent linux-omap |
| 10:26.57 | AStorm | what can they lose? it can even be untested |
| 10:27.11 | AStorm | just built and somewhat working |
| 10:27.21 | lbt | hey, it's wifi.... one day... |
| 10:27.38 | jott | AStorm: help with the open wifi driver development .) |
| 10:27.41 | lbt | atheros just went fully OS didn't they? |
| 10:27.43 | AStorm | "One day I'm gonna cut you into little pieces"? |
| 10:27.52 | AStorm | lbt: most, yes |
| 10:28.02 | AStorm | trick is, prism54 spi patch is very undeveloped |
| 10:28.05 | lbt | good enough for upstream? |
| 10:28.14 | AStorm | and I don't have the hardware to develop it |
| 10:28.22 | AStorm | or specs |
| 10:28.54 | AStorm | I'd have to fashion a custom pingrabber FPGA |
| 10:29.02 | AStorm | and then decode what it sends |
| 10:29.18 | lbt | eek - way out of my area... :) |
| 10:29.40 | jott | AStorm: http://cx3110x.sipsolutions.net/ |
| 10:29.44 | AStorm | there are similar tools already made |
| 10:30.00 | AStorm | jott: new devel? driver w/o horrid binary blob? |
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| 10:30.03 | AStorm | (firmware is ok) |
| 10:30.32 | jott | AStorm: yes. |
| 10:30.37 | AStorm | I've seen this page |
| 10:30.41 | AStorm | the driver is underdeveloped |
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| 10:30.45 | jott | sure |
| 10:30.58 | AStorm | and I don't have the hardware to grab internal SPI |
| 10:31.12 | jott | but when you help, the original developer will most likely gain motivation to continue |
| 10:31.46 | eichi | "Internal error. Application "E-mail" closed.........i got this message very often now |
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| 10:31.53 | AStorm | but I can't w/o hardware |
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| 10:32.11 | jott | AStorm: you have your tablets. there are ways and means to reverse engineer stuff. |
| 10:32.13 | AStorm | need a good FPGA which works under Linux and isn't too expensive - recommendations? |
| 10:32.30 | AStorm | yes yes |
| 10:32.46 | AStorm | there are ways, but I can't grab SPI in software with the controller Nokia uses |
| 10:32.55 | lbt | have you asked about this stuff on lkml? |
| 10:33.01 | AStorm | ... |
| 10:33.09 | AStorm | more like, on linux-omap :> |
| 10:33.14 | AStorm | I should |
| 10:33.21 | lbt | lkml would welcome it |
| 10:33.31 | AStorm | huh why? it's related to OMAP only |
| 10:33.37 | lbt | I've hung out there enough |
| 10:33.43 | AStorm | the chip is ARMv7 with random software uploaded |
| 10:33.48 | jott | http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.wireless.general/11997 |
| 10:33.59 | jott | (this is the original post) |
| 10:34.02 | AStorm | where random software is actually LMAC |
| 10:34.27 | jott | i guess posting on the wireless list should give helpful responses. |
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| 10:34.38 | AStorm | "We need to look into umac or see how it communicates to figure that out, shouldn't be too hard" |
| 10:34.47 | AStorm | guess why I'd need the hardware :P |
| 10:35.19 | lbt | asking on lkml to get support for unsupported hardware may well put you in touch with people |
| 10:35.28 | lbt | who may be able to loan you hardware |
| 10:35.31 | lbt | tools etc |
| 10:35.50 | lbt | there's a lot of talk about helping out with drivers |
| 10:36.15 | lbt | ask them to back it up - you may get somewhere |
| 10:36.28 | AStorm | heh, really, they won't send an FPGA to some J. Random |
| 10:36.39 | AStorm | these thing cost some |
| 10:36.50 | lbt | no - but you may live near someone who'll give you access |
| 10:36.52 | AStorm | I could ask though which board they recommend |
| 10:36.58 | lbt | or you may not |
| 10:37.07 | lbt | don't ask, don't get |
| 10:37.16 | AStorm | actually, I should be able to somehow loan one out of our labs if I prod the right person |
| 10:37.19 | AStorm | hopefully |
| 10:37.30 | lbt | just being encouraging :) |
| 10:37.34 | AStorm | but that's in a few months |
| 10:37.45 | AStorm | I'd also buy n800 to take it apart |
| 10:37.47 | AStorm | :P |
| 10:37.55 | AStorm | (no need to destroy my shiny n810) |
| 10:38.00 | lbt | has anyone dropped/killed one? |
| 10:38.17 | AStorm | lbt: + and is willing to send one to Poland |
| 10:38.44 | lbt | I'd chip in to postage... it's called community :) |
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| 10:39.35 | AStorm | wait first till I get that FPGA |
| 10:39.41 | AStorm | and proper cables |
| 10:39.47 | lbt | indeed |
| 10:39.53 | Binky | Hi everybody |
| 10:40.00 | lbt | but I think people will help if you/we ask... |
| 10:41.43 | Binky | Does anyone know what does this mean? /home/user # /usr/bin/pidgin Alarm Clock. And then it crashes |
| 10:41.58 | jott | and also getting johannes berg motivated to work more on the driver would also bring some synergies. |
| 10:43.05 | X-Fade | yerga: Hmm i386 weidness? |
| 10:43.21 | Binky | GAIM gives me a segmentation fault and Pidgin crashes for that 'Alarm Clock'... |
| 10:44.14 | yerga | X-Fade, yes, the armel built right |
| 10:44.47 | X-Fade | yerga: I don't get that ;) |
| 10:44.57 | yerga | X-Fade, can you see the config.log file? |
| 10:45.00 | X-Fade | yerga: No gcc for i386? |
| 10:45.25 | X-Fade | yerga: I can only see what you can see. Which is: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/python-hildondesktop_0.0.2-1/ |
| 10:45.25 | jott | so AStorm go for it grab you ida pro and objdump for now until you get your fpga :) |
| 10:45.50 | AStorm | jott: already grabbed objdump |
| 10:45.56 | AStorm | asm isn't too interesting |
| 10:46.07 | AStorm | and theoretically due to licence constraints we can't use it :P |
| 10:47.59 | yerga | X-Fade, no problem, I can reproduce it in my i386 system |
| 10:48.29 | X-Fade | yerga: Ah. |
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| 10:54.53 | jott | AStorm: i guess getting the frame dumps in an early stage would already help. and you don't need an fpga for that .. |
| 11:01.09 | AStorm | this means I need a hacked AP :) |
| 11:01.21 | AStorm | or wait, you're talking what frame dumps? |
| 11:01.25 | AStorm | memory dumps of UMAC? |
| 11:01.49 | AStorm | this can't be legal :/ |
| 11:01.53 | jott | It would |
| 11:01.53 | jott | be great to get complete frame dumps out of umac by making |
| 11:01.53 | jott | cx3110x log all the data. |
| 11:02.03 | AStorm | yes |
| 11:02.11 | AStorm | could do that |
| 11:02.38 | AStorm | still need a separate device, I'm using my n810 so much I haven't upgraded to diablo by reflash yet |
| 11:04.10 | X-Fade | Khertan: You owe yerga a beer now ;) |
| 11:05.02 | yerga | :), wait a moment, I hope the packages are right but it's necessary a bit of testing |
| 11:05.28 | X-Fade | yerga: Well it builds ok now, that is a start.. |
| 11:06.07 | yerga | I have tested it locally and work, but you never know |
| 11:06.50 | X-Fade | "[extras-builds] [diablo]: python-hildondesktop 0.0.2-1 OK" |
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| 11:22.44 | jott | X-Fade: is there an easy way to contact all garage project members when there is no mailing list? |
| 11:25.36 | Khertan | Yeah great ! |
| 11:25.45 | Khertan | thanks yerga |
| 11:26.04 | yerga | Khertan, no problem ;) |
| 11:26.22 | Khertan | that really help me a lot ! |
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| 11:28.18 | Binky | Khertan, i finally find you. thank you so much for your help with python |
| 11:28.50 | Binky | If i add a debian arm eabi repository... Will it work? |
| 11:28.50 | yerga | Khertan, I only ask you a thing, please delete the python-runtime dependence from the plugins. |
| 11:28.59 | RST38h | Anybody knows how I can run a program from Perl and access itsstdin and stdout as files? |
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| 11:31.36 | Khertan | yerga > ? why ? |
| 11:31.58 | yerga | it installs every python package |
| 11:32.07 | yerga | and it isn't necessary |
| 11:32.13 | Khertan | yes ... of course ... |
| 11:32.14 | Khertan | :) |
| 11:32.36 | Khertan | Binky > why do you want to do that ? |
| 11:33.00 | Binky | Add the repository or thank you? |
| 11:33.14 | Khertan | ? |
| 11:33.33 | Khertan | Binky>a debian repository |
| 11:33.43 | Khertan | yerga > ok i ll change that ... :) |
| 11:33.52 | Binky | If first, I want to install a few packages that are not ported to maemo |
| 11:33.54 | yerga | Khertan, thanks! |
| 11:33.58 | qwerty12_N800 | Binky: you would trash the system. i don't know if qole's debian chroot works on 770. |
| 11:34.09 | Binky | Tuxguitar and jokosher |
| 11:34.13 | Binky | Ok.. |
| 11:34.16 | Khertan | yerga > i ll do that around 18:00 GMT+2 |
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| 11:34.38 | Khertan | Binky > many libs aren't made to be use on maemo |
| 11:34.49 | Khertan | Binky > and many things will claim this libs |
| 11:35.04 | Khertan | Binky > so you could crash the system |
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| 11:36.01 | Binky | Khertan, ok... i removed it. anyway, update package list took too many MBs |
| 11:36.17 | X-Fade | jott: I think we can do that through gforge. What do you want to do? |
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| 11:37.26 | Binky | Khertan, will take years to see these apps ported |
| 11:37.31 | X-Fade | jott: I can send to 'All project developers', 'all project admins'. |
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| 11:38.07 | lcuk | X-Fade, spamming again :P |
| 11:38.28 | jott | X-Fade: ah.. uhm /me searches the link :) |
| 11:39.29 | Khertan | huhu ... macosx as still no patch for the bind exploit ... |
| 11:40.30 | Khertan | Binky > yes ... you could wait for tuxguitar ... it s dev in java |
| 11:41.32 | Binky | I could wait, but not on OS2006... |
| 11:41.57 | Binky | Khertan, will be released a Diablo HE? |
| 11:42.24 | Khertan | none idea |
| 11:43.19 | Khertan | for jokosher, it s writted in pygtk ... but it need the depandancies http://gnonlin.sourceforge.net/ |
| 11:45.04 | Binky | I almost smash my pc against the floor trying to solve that depend in Ubuntu |
| 11:45.36 | Binky | Later i knew jokosher was on repos and i hadn't to install a deb |
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| 11:47.44 | Binky | Khertan, Since no IM works on my IT do you know of any web based messenger that works? Ebuddy doesn't |
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| 11:52.26 | Khertan | Binky > no sorry |
| 11:53.36 | qwerty12_N800 | Binky: You really should clone a HE onto an mmc. on my N800 OS2008, pidgin + rtcomm beta are stable. |
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| 11:59.01 | Binky | Khertan, I only have 512 mbs |
| 12:02.46 | Binky | qwerty12_N800, sorry, i meant that message to you |
| 12:03.27 | qwerty12_N800 | Binky: Ah. I'd get a bigger mmc then :) |
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| 12:14.50 | Binky | qwerty12_N800, WHAT THE HELL DOES THIS MEAN? ~ $ /usr/bin/pidgin Alarm clock. And pidgin exits |
| 12:15.27 | aquatix | garbage in, garbage out? |
| 12:15.33 | qwerty12_N800 | Binky: I have no idea. |
| 12:16.07 | Binky | aquatix, what? |
| 12:16.29 | aquatix | well, if you feed pidgin an alarm clock, it fails |
| 12:16.37 | aquatix | or something |
| 12:16.55 | aquatix | is slowly cooking in his office, so might not make too much sense |
| 12:17.09 | aquatix | airco hasn't been deployed here yet :/ |
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| 12:18.44 | Binky | aquatix, maybe it makes sense but not for a newbie like me. all was right until i upgraded it to 2.4.3-0nix0 and now doesn't work and i can't install gaim. all web based ones nor gizmo do not work. No IM |
| 12:19.55 | qwerty12_N800 | Binky: Downgrade it. browse through the maemo extras repo. |
| 12:20.22 | lcuk | aquatix, becoming steamix? |
| 12:20.34 | aquatix | Binky: ah; the part i don't understand is the `alarm clock' |
| 12:20.42 | aquatix | lcuk: quite so |
| 12:20.58 | aquatix | damn, i even have sweaty hands, that's a bad sign |
| 12:21.03 | aquatix | gets some cold water |
| 12:21.07 | lcuk | ewwww |
| 12:21.18 | qwerty12_N800 | lol |
| 12:21.39 | Binky | I'd downgrade with aptitud purge, but i don't know with apt-get |
| 12:21.46 | aquatix | *sigh* |
| 12:21.50 | lcuk | i tried running liqbase on a computer without a fan, it just ended up steaming all over |
| 12:21.58 | aquatix | lcuk: dirty mind... |
| 12:22.05 | aquatix | teehee |
| 12:22.21 | qwerty12_N800 | aquatix: that TITle goes to me :p |
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| 12:22.33 | lcuk | i havent got a dirty mind |
| 12:22.43 | lcuk | clean and pure thoughts. |
| 12:22.52 | lcuk | ok, so maybe i think nuns are hot |
| 12:23.05 | aquatix | ah, so you where just grossed out by my clammy hands? |
| 12:23.07 | aquatix | can't blame you |
| 12:23.08 | RST38h | "Sovereign immunity blocks DMCA suit against Air Force" |
| 12:23.15 | aquatix | lcuk: eww |
| 12:23.28 | aquatix | [only nuns i've seen lately are 60+ ;) ] |
| 12:23.49 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk would still go after them I bet :p |
| 12:23.52 | lcuk | mmmmmm bea mcarthur in a nun costume |
| 12:24.28 | lcuk | -mc |
| 12:25.33 | aquatix | ... |
| 12:25.39 | lcuk | :D |
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| 12:26.05 | Binky | Bye, thank you all! |
| 12:26.14 | aquatix | lcuk: i gather you like Madonna then? http://www.nu.nl/img.db/1676855+s(350!x234!) |
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| 12:26.44 | lcuk | god she looks rough |
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| 12:26.58 | lcuk | but yer, i'd take her home most likely :D |
| 12:27.06 | lcuk | its madonna ffs |
| 12:27.34 | lcuk | anyway, must dash |
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| 12:29.48 | qwerty12_N800 | ffs, why TF does my dpkg --set-selections get reset when i reboot the tablet. |
| 12:29.53 | summatusmentis | nuns are hot? ... |
| 12:30.07 | summatusmentis | forbidden pleasure or something? |
| 12:31.16 | qwerty12_N800 | is tempted to learn python to make an frontend to apt-get pinning |
| 12:32.12 | aquatix | qwerty12_N800: what's wrong with vi /etc/apt/preferences ? :) |
| 12:33.18 | qwerty12_N800 | aquatix: that is where you do apt-get pinning right? :) |
| 12:33.44 | aquatix | qwerty12_N800: indeed :) |
| 12:34.51 | qwerty12_N800 | atm, bluez-utils & xomap-xserver wants to be updated. if I do that, i lose dsp-sbc + rotation. |
| 12:35.24 | aquatix | cute: http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/2ndChances/w1kspidersquirrel.jpg |
| 12:36.02 | qwerty12_N800 | aww |
| 12:36.55 | qwerty12_N800 | Think if it's dressed like a nun, a certain member here will take it home? :P |
| 12:37.04 | RST38h | qwerty" they just HAVE TO add the rotation patch |
| 12:38.26 | aquatix | qwerty12_N800: quite certain |
| 12:39.16 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: If something messes up as a result of that patch, they have to support it too. Instead of talking to me, file a bug and see what they (i.e nokia) say. |
| 12:39.25 | qwerty12_N800 | aquatix: hehe |
| 12:39.38 | X-Fade | Anybody interested in being a kernel hacker @ Nokia? http://maemo.org/news/jobs/view/1217420722.html |
| 12:40.41 | qwerty12_N800 | Get in touch with fanoush ;) |
| 12:41.18 | crashanddie | X-Fade, why does it have to be in Finland :( |
| 12:41.31 | Khertan | yep ... |
| 12:41.40 | Khertan | and i'm not a kernel patcher ... :) |
| 12:41.53 | crashanddie | I'm moving to the UK tomorrow, I can hardly see myself moving to FI right away... Maybe in a couple of years |
| 12:42.35 | crashanddie | X-Fade, it really sucks they don't have positions like this in Farnborough |
| 12:42.45 | qwerty12_N800 | Finland's nice but i couldn't move there. Helsinki isn't like london :) |
| 12:42.45 | X-Fade | crashanddie: Well, I have been there and I quite liked to visit there ;) |
| 12:43.25 | aquatix | crashanddie: you're relocating tomorrow? |
| 12:43.30 | crashanddie | aye |
| 12:43.41 | RST38h | qwerty: Actually, a good idea. |
| 12:44.00 | RST38h | qwerty: What component has ot be patched in order for rotation to work? |
| 12:44.02 | RST38h | Xomap? |
| 12:44.27 | jott | RST38h: kernel and xomap |
| 12:44.37 | RST38h | jott: All righty. |
| 12:44.40 | aquatix | crashanddie: nice! pre-emptive good luck with moving :) |
| 12:44.51 | crashanddie | thanks :) |
| 12:45.13 | jott | and xomap hasn't been touch by nokia for a long time as it seems :) |
| 12:45.48 | qwerty12_N800 | Nokia now carry libxrandr too :) |
| 12:45.57 | RST38h | What will be the STEPS TO REPRODUCE? |
| 12:46.24 | qwerty12_N800 | 1. Get drunk |
| 12:47.13 | aquatix | 2. Get $female drunk too |
| 12:47.22 | jott | RST38h: either install advanced backlight and miss the rotation options or start xrandr on terminal and see it's error message. |
| 12:47.48 | aquatix | [its] |
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| 12:48.23 | dannym | hehehe |
| 12:48.55 | jott | EXPECTED OUTCOME: sex |
| 12:49.02 | qwerty12_N800 | lol |
| 12:49.44 | crashanddie | ACTUAL OUTCOME: going home alone and surfing pr0n |
| 12:49.51 | aquatix | REALITY: epic fail |
| 12:50.00 | aquatix | heheheh |
| 12:50.05 | qwerty12_N800 | no no, crashanddie , that's your outcome |
| 12:50.33 | crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, you're not even allowed to get drunk, so please, keep the smartass answers in your pants :P |
| 12:50.45 | aquatix | qwerty12_N800: yours is - ACTUAL OUTCOME: waking up next to a 71 your old nun |
| 12:50.50 | aquatix | *year |
| 12:50.56 | qwerty12_N800 | ouch. i just got owned >.< |
| 12:51.05 | aquatix | ;) |
| 12:51.07 | RST38h | Bug 3519 Submitted |
| 12:51.16 | qwerty12_N800 | aquatix: isn't that lcuk's outcome :p |
| 12:51.24 | aquatix | qwerty12_N800: double fail |
| 12:51.28 | RST38h | Folks, please, go to https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3519 and support this bug report |
| 12:51.42 | aquatix | qwerty12_N800: maybe you're not waking up next to that nun alone |
| 12:51.46 | aquatix | [ewwww] |
| 12:51.47 | qwerty12_N800 | nooooooooo, i neva fail |
| 12:52.00 | qwerty12_N800 | aquatix: you joining in too? |
| 12:52.09 | aquatix | qwerty12_N800: was thinking about lcuk |
| 12:52.13 | aquatix | i prefer young nuns |
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| 12:52.52 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: give me a min, i'll vote |
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| 13:01.31 | crashanddie | btw, if anyone has a job in mobile computing in London for a very talented, handsome, awesome and humble young man ! Hit me ! |
| 13:01.31 | X-Fade | mikkov_: Nice, now I can test obsoleting packages with openlierox. ;) |
| 13:02.03 | lcuk | aquatix, still on about nuns? you must be pretty fixated, ive been away workin while you have been dreamin |
| 13:03.40 | pupnik | "Why did Nokia buy Trolltech? Because you can trim down Qtopia to smaller phone profiles than you can Maemo/Hildon." - Svartalf |
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| 13:04.48 | pupnik | can advanced backlight turn off backlighting alltogether, and if so, is screen visible in bright sunlight without any backlighting? |
| 13:05.17 | crashanddie | pupnik, hardly |
| 13:05.51 | mikkov_ | X-Fade: please do :) |
| 13:06.21 | RST38h | Well, Qtopia *is* more trimmable |
| 13:06.34 | RST38h | I wonder what is gonna happen with Symbian though... |
| 13:06.55 | aquatix | lcuk: well, i'm having a meltdown here; office is getting really warm [stupid non-aircoed office...] |
| 13:07.04 | aquatix | lcuk: and you put the concept in my mind |
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| 13:09.37 | qwerty12_N800 | searches in vain to find an english dbox2 wiki |
| 13:10.15 | aquatix | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DBox2 <- dbox2 wiki ;) |
| 13:10.17 | aquatix | runs |
| 13:10.50 | qwerty12_N800 | aquatix: of course! how could i miss that?!? :p |
| 13:10.56 | qwerty12_N800 | ends sarcasm |
| 13:11.12 | X-Fade | mikkov_: I will, I now have 3 useable versions. So that is cool. |
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| 13:14.03 | pupnik | crashanddie: it'd be cool if someone could invent a surface that can be electronically switched between mirroring and transparent |
| 13:15.23 | lcuk | isnt that what some phones do? when active and on the screen shows light through from behind, but when powered off it turns into a mirror |
| 13:15.42 | crashanddie | yeah, but that's still just a single way mirror |
| 13:15.59 | crashanddie | which means there's loss of brightness, and you need to light up the screen |
| 13:16.07 | lcuk | thats not what he said - you can see stuff through from behind the screen |
| 13:16.21 | crashanddie | what pupnik wants is a surface that would become transparent/reflective based on its current |
| 13:16.42 | lcuk | just choice of lcd crystals then i would assume - its gotta be possible |
| 13:17.00 | pupnik | for the emu folks, some mame games getting "100-150fps" on the pandora devboards... wonder about the stutters in the youtube though. maybe lcd refresh issues? :P http://openpandora.org/blog.php |
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| 13:17.51 | pupnik | i don't know of reflective lcds. point being to get good reflectivity in sunlight, and high brightness/contrast in the dark. |
| 13:18.07 | pupnik | -- for the backlight |
| 13:18.37 | pupnik | i think 'transflective' is just a partially reflective, partially transmissive, fixed-ratio backing behind the lcd |
| 13:18.47 | pupnik | *backing layer |
| 13:18.57 | lcuk | transreflective screens: hundreds of pinpricks on the surface of the 810. lets sunlight get in and behind to bounce and come back out allowing it to be visible in sun |
| 13:19.09 | lcuk | look carefully in the sun |
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| 13:19.43 | lcuk | back later |
| 13:20.31 | pupnik | i sense a communication problem |
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| 13:23.17 | RST38h | pupnik: I can get you 100fps on N8x0 if I do not blit all those frames to the actual screen |
| 13:23.27 | RST38h | pupnik: So, what is the big deal about it? :) |
| 13:23.46 | RST38h | Especially if you overclock it to 500MHz |
| 13:24.37 | crashanddie | we can overclock the NIT to 500Mhz ? |
| 13:25.44 | RST38h | probably yes |
| 13:25.53 | RST38h | although Ti will never tell you how :) |
| 13:26.03 | RST38h | and it is not guaranteed to work |
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| 13:28.10 | qwerty12_N800 | you can modify kernel to have dsp 220 with cpu 400 but you risk damaging device requiring cold-flash |
| 13:28.22 | pupnik | RST38h: nobody's claiming they did any optimisation on xmame |
| 13:28.27 | pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbPQJUOsQBQ&fmt=18 higher quality vid |
| 13:28.48 | pupnik | RST38h: i just love seeing full fps emulation |
| 13:28.54 | RST38h | pupnik: Xmame is a shitload of games and there is a special version for GP2X afaik |
| 13:29.30 | RST38h | If this Capcom game is running on their second-gen board, then it is impressive indeed |
| 13:30.00 | RST38h | I mean Capcom's second gen board of course :) |
| 13:31.39 | pupnik | i haven't followed xmame since i helped ben with a patch in.. uh. 1999 or smth |
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| 13:33.12 | crashanddie | I'm sorry, but about that vid |
| 13:33.21 | crashanddie | what proves us it's not a simple video playing in fullscreen ? |
| 13:33.33 | RST38h | it's probably not |
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| 13:33.43 | crashanddie | I mean, how do the games load one after the other ? Why no loading times, it just switches from one game to the other, like that ? |
| 13:33.47 | RST38h | you can see the speed being uneven sometimes |
| 13:33.54 | pupnik | "And I'm unfortunately going to have to echo that I don't think that emulating CPS1/2 level hardware at these frame rates is anything impressive" - Exophase |
| 13:34.11 | RST38h | CPS2 is impressive |
| 13:34.19 | RST38h | CPS2 is basically a Genesis |
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| 13:34.26 | lcuk | crashanddie, i see task switching in instant time now - its not magic - theres mkore grunt in the dooferbob |
| 13:35.02 | crashanddie | well |
| 13:35.10 | pupnik | RST38h: aha ok. and nothing arm-optimized like picodrive. i unnerstand |
| 13:35.13 | crashanddie | I'm not convinced unless I see someone play the games |
| 13:35.34 | lcuk | lol - that can be fakeried just as easily |
| 13:35.57 | crashanddie | not with me 3ft from the dude it isn't |
| 13:36.09 | lcuk | didnt someone put a video of google maps 3d stuff on nokia at one point |
| 13:36.12 | lcuk | but it was just a video |
| 13:36.12 | RST38h | pupnik: I do think they are using Cyclone in mame |
| 13:36.21 | RST38h | pupnik: So it *is* optimized like picodrive |
| 13:36.34 | crashanddie | lcuk, just yank his hand off the controller for a minute, if the character keeps playing, I'll know what I know :) |
| 13:37.05 | RST38h | Folks, I do not know why you would suspect pandora people of fakery |
| 13:37.10 | lcuk | and probably be arrested for gross misconduct and abuse of a boothbabe |
| 13:37.27 | RST38h | I mean, they are probably skipping frames in this demo, but why would they replace gameplay with a video? |
| 13:37.28 | lcuk | (if its a woman at a show that is) |
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| 13:37.58 | lcuk | crashanddie, we saw omap3 doin some really cool stuff at linuxtag |
| 13:38.07 | lcuk | it is capable of being a desktop replacement |
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| 13:39.08 | snowmoon-work | I doubt pandora is wandering too far from the reference platform, so we can expect similar performance gains on the next NIT release |
| 13:40.02 | RST38h | most likely |
| 13:42.31 | X-Fade | Hmmz ;) http://maemo.org/intro/gallery/tag/all/omap3/ |
| 13:42.41 | lcuk | will happily replace his desktop if it means native fully supported arm compilation environment without restrictions |
| 13:42.50 | pupnik | somebody made the game controller for ipod that i wanted to see for the tablets http://www.icontrolpad.com/ |
| 13:43.12 | pupnik | heh going from 300 watts to 3 watts |
| 13:43.45 | lcuk | ipod doesnt need it doesit ? its got own accel? |
| 13:44.19 | X-Fade | Hehe, this one is especially cool: Big buck bunny full screen on omap3 :) http://maemo.org/intro/gallery/photo/28b1f0e657d111ddbfe68b393589b445b445/tag/all/omap3/ |
| 13:44.20 | lcuk | ahhh the buttons |
| 13:44.20 | pupnik | you can't play emulator games with an accelerometer |
| 13:44.35 | lcuk | x-fade :) lots of interest in omap3 isnt there |
| 13:44.39 | pupnik | http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=a7sx8CrVLW8 also RST38h - dunno if you saw zodttd's new psx emu |
| 13:44.51 | jott | pupnik: something like this would be really neat for the tablets. |
| 13:45.46 | pupnik | agree |
| 13:47.34 | Khertan | zodttd have made a new psx emu ? for which os ? :) |
| 13:47.48 | jott | i wonder if there are some companies who would do (realtive) cheap custom milling :) |
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| 13:49.11 | jott | http://www.arcadeshop.de/index.php?cPath=73_97 or adding things like this to a nit :P |
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| 13:49.29 | jott | http://www.arcadeshop.de/Joysticks-Thumbstick-yellow_452.html hm |
| 13:50.03 | snowmoon-work | pupnik: why not use a wiimote? |
| 13:50.15 | pupnik | Khertan: he's just porting psx4all to pandora |
| 13:50.24 | pupnik | snowmoon-work: i prefer to hold the unit with the display in my hands |
| 13:50.33 | pupnik | otherwise, table necessary |
| 13:50.43 | Khertan | pandora ? don't know |
| 13:52.25 | jott | despite the uglyness of the pandora i think it will beat the n9xx in gaming as it has a proper dpad and buttons. i bet the n9xx will have an even worse dpad than the n810 ;) |
| 13:53.07 | pupnik | http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=0lWgzcXhF2o hacked SNES controller plugged into ipod |
| 13:53.52 | GAN800 | Nokia does seem to hate good dpads. |
| 13:53.53 | pupnik | Khertan: http://openpandora.org/ http://openpandora.org/blog.php |
| 13:55.17 | X-Fade | GAN800: My 7650 had quite a nice one. |
| 13:55.48 | X-Fade | Although that was more a joystick like thing than a dpad. |
| 13:56.12 | jott | X-Fade: no, it was not really usable for gaming :/ |
| 13:56.26 | jott | my thumb hurt for hit :) |
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| 13:57.08 | X-Fade | jott: I don't know if that says more about you than about the dpad ;) |
| 13:57.22 | jott | or about my gaming habits? ;) |
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| 13:57.35 | pupnik | cool |
| 13:57.37 | pupnik | "Sony's PSP GPU code basically renders to 320x240 (without any filtering or effects on textures) and then optionally scales that to somethign bigger afterwards. psx4pandora will render to 640x480 (or more, depending on the game) and have options to scale by how much you want in either direction. Also there will be bilinear texture filtering (which honestly I can't see why Sony would overlook) and a Scale2x filter applied on the textures beforehand as we |
| 13:57.49 | RST38h | X-Fade: 7650 thing was difficult to use |
| 13:57.59 | RST38h | painful, I would say |
| 13:58.24 | X-Fade | RST38h: Well, I could use it without looking. That is something.. |
| 13:58.45 | RST38h | that's true |
| 13:58.56 | jott | X-Fade: yeah it is ok for menu navigation but not for fast reaction. |
| 13:59.21 | Kegetys | the nokia 9300 has an analog "stick", except it doesn't work as analog, only as button presses when you move it for a certain amount |
| 13:59.32 | jott | pupnik: but something like the icontrolpad should not be *that* hard to do... |
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| 14:02.50 | ShadowJK | My E70s joystick sucks, stops working now and then |
| 14:02.59 | pupnik | jott, maybe take apart a wii, and mount the buttons and electronics into a homemade casing |
| 14:03.00 | X-Fade | Yes! Finally #3486 is fixed. |
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| 14:04.14 | pupnik | :) |
| 14:04.15 | jott | pupnik: hm yeah or wire an modded usb pad to it. |
| 14:04.34 | pupnik | i'll just play the slow games like exult etc |
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| 14:05.04 | Kegetys | or use a joystick: http://junk.kegetys.net/mobile_gaming.jpg :P |
| 14:05.10 | jott | exult does not need a pad at all :P |
| 14:05.29 | jott | hehe Kegetys |
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| 14:05.43 | MangoFusion | lol |
| 14:06.14 | jott | pupnik: i just thought that it would be cheaper and does need an extra battery. |
| 14:06.40 | aquatix | Kegetys: that's... awesome |
| 14:07.01 | aquatix | what game is that btw? |
| 14:07.18 | Kegetys | stunt island |
| 14:07.38 | jott | stunt island, wow haven't heard/seen this for AGES :) |
| 14:08.46 | jott | ..1992 that's like 16 years ago ;) |
| 14:09.08 | pupnik | Kegetys: that's awesome |
| 14:09.16 | X-Fade | Kegetys: Why is that game not in Extras and/or the downloads category? |
| 14:09.25 | pupnik | it's dosbox |
| 14:09.25 | jott | X-Fade: it's dosbox |
| 14:09.28 | GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3517 <- dupe |
| 14:09.35 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody want to find the original for me? |
| 14:09.44 | aquatix | hm, wonder whether i can play falcon 3 on it |
| 14:09.48 | X-Fade | Hmm dosbox eh.. |
| 14:10.16 | pupnik | Kegetys: how the heck did you get that working... got a url with howto? can i link to it? |
| 14:10.25 | RST38h | GA: comment/vote on 3519 |
| 14:10.33 | Kegetys | pupnik: stunt island or the joystick? |
| 14:10.37 | pupnik | the joystick |
| 14:10.46 | Kegetys | just plug it in and add the bindings to dosbox cfg |
| 14:11.23 | pupnik | .... wow |
| 14:12.26 | Kegetys | some small gamepad may be a bit more user friendly for carrying around though :) |
| 14:13.14 | jott | Kegetys: haha just imagine sitting in the train or plane and put that stuff out ;) |
| 14:13.24 | Kegetys | :) |
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| 14:15.46 | aquatix | jott: plane is the funiest |
| 14:15.59 | aquatix | especially when moving with the plane |
| 14:16.23 | jott | aquatix: and training crashes with stunt island :) |
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| 14:19.19 | lcuk | ~lart missus not bein back from work |
| 14:19.19 | infobot | sends a legion of lawyers after missus not bein back from work's head |
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| 14:22.55 | RST38h | lcuk: vote or comment on bug 3519 |
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| 14:28.29 | Khertan | hop ! web site update finished ... |
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| 14:34.49 | crashanddie | Kegetys, I guess we could hook up a PS3 controller pretty easily to an NIT |
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| 14:36.56 | Kegetys | crashanddie: as long as it works as a HID joystick and doesn't eat too much current then yes |
| 14:37.00 | lcuk | RST38h, you will have to give me a link, i cant swearch or scrollback too well withg vnc |
| 14:37.19 | lcuk | cant search either |
| 14:37.31 | GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3519 |
| 14:37.33 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 14:37.36 | RST38h | thanks |
| 14:37.50 | GeneralAntilles | Browser: bugs.maemo.org, enter 3519 in the box. :P |
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| 14:38.05 | lcuk | swearch: verb - to hunt for vulgar words |
| 14:39.05 | lcuk | i cant push for this bug - i havent installed it myself yet any way - though i very nearly put it on last night because i need to test something which may make my life easier |
| 14:39.55 | jott | lcuk: that's a reason more to vote for it, as when it is resolved you will not need to install it :) |
| 14:40.30 | RST38h | lcuk: There are links to patches attached already - check them |
| 14:40.30 | lcuk | agreed, but i have another problem - my username and apssword is not accepted |
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| 14:40.40 | RST38h | lcuk: They are decent, generic patches |
| 14:40.44 | RST38h | no hacks |
| 14:40.59 | lcuk | RST38h, i know where the patches are, i have resisted so far because its not in default kernel and i dont want a customer to have to reflash kernel just to use my softare |
| 14:41.08 | RST38h | lcuk: same here |
| 14:41.14 | jott | lcuk: that's why to vote for such a bug ;) |
| 14:41.15 | crashanddie | Kegetys, it's bluetooth |
| 14:41.20 | RST38h | lcuk: this is why these should be in the stock kernel |
| 14:41.39 | lcuk | The username or password you entered is not valid. |
| 14:41.39 | Kegetys | crashanddie: ok... first point still applies though :) |
| 14:41.51 | lcuk | i cant log into bugzilla to tell them theres a bug with my useraccount |
| 14:41.54 | jott | i don't actually care for it myself, as i worked on the patch and have installed it anyway .. |
| 14:42.05 | lcuk | RST38h, jott agreed on all counts |
| 14:42.09 | jott | but still voted for it as it's a good thing for others. |
| 14:43.15 | lcuk | ok, i can loginto maemo.org but not bugzilla |
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| 14:43.35 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, email password |
| 14:43.40 | GeneralAntilles | It's not the same as Garage. |
| 14:44.15 | lcuk | ? maemo.org account is not same as bugs.maemo.org? |
| 14:44.31 | GeneralAntilles | No. . . . |
| 14:44.37 | lcuk | thats a bug in itself |
| 14:44.43 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, no. |
| 14:44.47 | GeneralAntilles | Just STFU on it |
| 14:44.53 | GeneralAntilles | It's been discussed to death. |
| 14:45.08 | GeneralAntilles | Single sign on is pointless until we have single log on. |
| 14:45.22 | lcuk | so they need different usernames and passwords? |
| 14:45.25 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody put those patches into the bug as attachments. |
| 14:45.29 | GeneralAntilles | No. |
| 14:45.39 | GeneralAntilles | You can use the same, you just have to register separately. |
| 14:45.48 | jott | GeneralAntilles: links are not sufficient? |
| 14:46.00 | GeneralAntilles | Attachments are better and easier. |
| 14:46.10 | RST38h | May get out of date though |
| 14:46.21 | RST38h | But links may just disappear, mhm |
| 14:46.23 | jott | feel free to wrap them up ;) i added the links. |
| 14:46.30 | GeneralAntilles | Then update the attachments. |
| 14:46.32 | lcuk | linkrot |
| 14:46.51 | GeneralAntilles | Anyway, NOTMYJOB. |
| 14:47.05 | jott | thought GeneralAntilles was the bug monkey :P |
| 14:47.08 | GeneralAntilles | Attach them or not, just my recommendation to help get things done. :) |
| 14:47.08 | jott | hides |
| 14:47.20 | RST38h | <notmyjob>Update the attachments</notmyjob> - here, in XML style |
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| 14:47.56 | lcuk | jott, RST38h im sorry but im not gonna play bugzilla game for now |
| 14:48.07 | lcuk | bbl |
| 14:48.26 | zfigz | Hey, what's the best way to start fresh with the n810? I just backed up my data etc using Diablo. I want to reflash etc and then restore with my backup. |
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| 14:48.51 | RST38h | lcuk: it can wait :) |
| 14:49.09 | RST38h | zfigz: So, what is stopping you? |
| 14:49.25 | Khertan | yerga > it s a real pain to found all depandancies for a python script |
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| 14:50.17 | yerga | Khertan, I know ;) |
| 14:50.36 | Khertan | python-hildondesktop, python2.5-hildon, python2.5-gobject, python2.5-dbus, python2.5-osso, python2.5-cairo, python2.5-gtk2 |
| 14:50.40 | Khertan | ... |
| 14:51.02 | Khertan | but i don't understand why u don't want all module which are present in runtime |
| 14:51.09 | Khertan | as many application use python |
| 14:51.17 | zfigz | RST, I was just curious if there was anything else I should do. I've been having an issue where my memory card isn't read until I reboot. |
| 14:51.37 | GeneralAntilles | ~flashing |
| 14:51.37 | infobot | somebody said flashing was covered at http://wiki.maemo.org/Upgrading_tablet_OS |
| 14:51.49 | X-Fade | Khertan: You should always aim for the smallest amount of dependenceis. Space isn't unlimited, you know.. |
| 14:51.52 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, just register. |
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| 14:52.52 | yerga | Khertan, if I only want install a python home applet, I don't need the bluez, conic, gnome, imaging modules |
| 14:53.54 | GeneralAntilles | andre____, you mind giving yerga editbugs? :P |
| 14:54.01 | Khertan | hum ... bluez and conic will be for the next planned applet :) |
| 14:54.34 | andre____ | if yerga tells me his email address (or at least part of it), i'd love to :) |
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| 14:55.01 | andre____ | ah. got it. |
| 14:55.13 | yerga | deserve I editbugs? :P |
| 14:55.20 | X-Fade | andre____: He already follows every bug, so ;) |
| 14:55.26 | GeneralAntilles | Yes. |
| 14:55.35 | andre____ | right. saw that :) |
| 14:55.43 | GeneralAntilles | This way I don't have to read your comments to figure out what things I should do to bugs. :P |
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| 14:55.50 | GeneralAntilles | You can do them yourself. ;) |
| 14:55.57 | X-Fade | yerga: You must get a massive amount of mails from bugzilla btw :) |
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| 14:56.19 | yerga | X-Fade, not many |
| 14:56.21 | andre____ | yerga: now you have unlimited power, use it wisely. common sense..., blah... |
| 14:56.22 | andre____ | (damn, seems i forgot the text of the general disclaimer) |
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| 14:56.28 | yerga | 50 everyday or so |
| 14:56.36 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I'd die getting that much spam. |
| 14:56.38 | yerga | andre____, of course |
| 14:56.54 | yerga | I hope don't break anything |
| 14:56.59 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: SPAM (37329) ;) |
| 14:57.04 | andre____ | maemo bugzilla is small. i wonder about the people subscribed on *everything* in gnome bugzilla |
| 14:57.13 | GeneralAntilles | A "all updated bugs from the last 2 days" is much better suited to my needs. |
| 14:57.20 | RST38h | andre: there is procmail for such people =) |
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| 14:57.31 | andre____ | RST38h, i know :) nevertheless... |
| 14:57.38 | Khertan | oups ... homeapplet is in the wrong section ... :) |
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| 14:57.55 | X-Fade | pokes Khertan with a sharp stick ;) |
| 14:57.58 | Khertan | user/accessories ? it ll be better :) |
| 14:58.44 | yerga | andre____, it works. Thanks! |
| 14:58.50 | Khertan | in the french translation (user/office is translated to 'Bureau' which is also 'desktop' so ... never see the error) |
| 14:59.10 | andre____ | yerga: cool. thanks in advance for doing all the work now ;-)) |
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| 14:59.50 | RST38h | gentlemen, do notice that utilities, tools, accessoriews are the same thing |
| 15:00.16 | RST38h | maybe you need more descriptive groups? |
| 15:00.36 | zap | Anybody knows how to pass the large underground pool at 3rd level of Metal Blob Solid? :) |
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| 15:01.16 | zap | <<The section of packages in the user segment SHOULD be one of the following: ac- |
| 15:01.16 | zap | cessories, communication, games, multimedia, office, other, programming, support, |
| 15:01.16 | zap | themes, tools.3 The sections in this list will appear correctly localized in the Application Manager.>> |
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| 15:07.09 | Khertan | Does the wifi is directionnal on the n810 ? |
| 15:07.09 | zap | wifi is always bi-directional |
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| 15:07.40 | RST38h | he is asking about the antenna |
| 15:07.56 | zap | by the way, what's the max network speed one gets when copying files over wifi on n8xx? For me it's about 500k/s although the chip advertises itself as a 54Mbit one |
| 15:08.30 | RST38h | that is kB, right? |
| 15:08.38 | zap | yes, kilobytes\ |
| 15:08.56 | zap | 54Mbit == 6 megabytes/s |
| 15:09.01 | zap | but I get about 10 times less |
| 15:09.06 | X-Fade | zap: Limited by flash write speed and cpu. |
| 15:09.19 | zap | hm |
| 15:09.28 | zap | flash reads about 5Mb/s and writes about 2-3 |
| 15:09.33 | RST38h | also effective wifi speeds are usually much slower than advertized |
| 15:09.33 | X-Fade | zap: But I have seen higher speeds. |
| 15:09.50 | RST38h | all right, time to go home |
| 15:09.55 | zap | X-Fade: like? |
| 15:10.12 | zap | should try iperf for n8xx |
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| 15:12.06 | jott | my throughput is also around 500-650k/s |
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| 15:24.51 | snowmoon-work | Did the barcode/qr code app ever make it out of planning? |
| 15:25.50 | aspect | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemo-barcode/ had some discussion on here a few days ago |
| 15:26.19 | aspect | apparently it works quite well on 1d barcodes but doesn't deal too well with curvature so far |
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| 15:29.36 | snowmoon-work | thanks, my boss just started down the QR code path so I was looking to see if any maemo apps existed yet. I already have a bookmarklet for generating QR codes |
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| 15:29.50 | zfigz | Anyone think flashing my n810 would resolve my issue where my n810 will not recognize removable mdea if i switch it out while it's on? |
| 15:30.08 | Kegetys | generic barcode scanner that would work as well as the kaywa reader would be nice |
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| 15:34.12 | GeneralAntilles | I get around 700-950KB/sec over SFTP |
| 15:34.35 | jott | GeneralAntilles: on a compressed file? ;) |
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| 15:38.52 | GeneralAntilles | Movies and such |
| 15:40.46 | RST38h | back |
| 15:40.56 | GeneralAntilles | forward |
| 15:41.27 | RST38h | starts chewing tape |
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| 15:42.31 | GeneralAntilles | OK, ready with Brazil, Psycho, Alien and Aliens for the plane. |
| 15:43.08 | jott | GeneralAntilles: how long are you going to fly? |
| 15:43.54 | GeneralAntilles | 1.5 + 4.25 hours |
| 15:44.00 | GeneralAntilles | Plus 2 hours in Atlanta |
| 15:44.06 | GeneralAntilles | Likely wont get through more than 2 |
| 15:44.15 | GeneralAntilles | But the rest will be for the trip back |
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| 15:45.51 | RST38h | Ah,Atlanta...3 hours in line to Delta counter, 1 hours waiting for the bus, 10 hours in hotel, 2 hours in security line next day |
| 15:46.10 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 15:46.12 | RST38h | will never forget Atlanta. |
| 15:46.23 | GeneralAntilles | I had an 8-hour layover in Atlanta last year. |
| 15:46.29 | GeneralAntilles | Atlanta sucks |
| 15:46.50 | RST38h | the line to security is pretty spectacular though |
| 15:47.22 | pupnik | when was this RST38h ? |
| 15:47.26 | RST38h | the longest line I have ever seen, including ussr |
| 15:47.27 | pupnik | any laptop searches? |
| 15:47.35 | RST38h | not that time |
| 15:47.46 | pupnik | USA will implode from its own stupidity |
| 15:48.01 | RST38h | it was in february/march |
| 15:48.02 | GeneralAntilles | I'd tell the security personnel "I'll show you mine if you show me yours" |
| 15:48.40 | jott | pupnik: sad thing is, that most european countries follow |
| 15:48.45 | pupnik | yes jott |
| 15:48.52 | GeneralAntilles | It amazes me how a lot of intelligent and reasonable people can allow shit like this to happen. |
| 15:50.08 | jott | the power of nightmares |
| 15:50.16 | pupnik | great documentary |
| 15:50.40 | GeneralAntilles | suddenly pictures andre____ as a Pokemon master. |
| 15:50.40 | pupnik | well done... convincing etc. i wouldn't take it as the gospel truth in all detail, but it's superbly crafted. |
| 15:50.50 | GeneralAntilles | He's living every 8-year-olds dream. |
| 15:50.57 | andre____ | what the?! |
| 15:51.08 | andre____ | shall i read the backlog? guess not... |
| 15:51.15 | GeneralAntilles | Nothing interesting there. |
| 15:51.31 | andre____ | OK, Sir! ;-) |
| 15:51.35 | GeneralAntilles | s/bug/Pokemon/ |
| 15:51.40 | pupnik | 10 minutes to the scott horton show |
| 15:51.52 | GeneralAntilles | they're roughly analogous. |
| 15:52.07 | RST38h | ga: how would you prevent this shit from happening? |
| 15:52.10 | jott | pupnik: yeah as with all political documentary always THINK while watching. |
| 15:52.22 | Mousey | RST38h: buy better politicians |
| 15:52.26 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, a revolution. |
| 15:52.35 | GeneralAntilles | The Constitution insists upon it. |
| 15:52.58 | pupnik | the declaration of independence actually |
| 15:52.59 | Mousey | a revolution in lobbying! |
| 15:53.07 | GeneralAntilles | andre____, you may have had to have been growing up in the US 10 years ago to get the whole Pokemon thing. ;) |
| 15:53.10 | RST38h | ga: you have no money to buy politicians and no determination to revolt |
| 15:53.14 | GeneralAntilles | Er, right, thanks pupnik. ;) |
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| 15:53.28 | GeneralAntilles | Me individually, no. |
| 15:53.31 | Mousey | MORE TELEVISION! |
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| 15:53.52 | andre____ | GeneralAntilles, i know that stuff, and it was partially a hype here to. but i didn't care about people at that time ;-) |
| 15:53.55 | RST38h | ga: neither does socium as a whole |
| 15:53.56 | Mousey | legalize marajuana |
| 15:54.04 | Mousey | that'd solve half the problem |
| 15:54.11 | zfigz | mmmm |
| 15:54.25 | GeneralAntilles | Legalize it all. |
| 15:54.26 | crashanddie | Mousey, and create 3 times as many |
| 15:54.39 | Mousey | crashanddie: right! but nobody would notice |
| 15:54.42 | Mousey | &_& |
| 15:54.47 | GeneralAntilles | Do whatever you want with your own damn body, just don't expect me to pay for the consequences. |
| 15:54.52 | crashanddie | so a bug that isn't discovered isn't a bug ? |
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| 15:55.02 | pupnik | 99% of US non drug users surveyed said they would not try heroin or cocaine if legalized |
| 15:55.19 | crashanddie | there's a big difference between saying something, and actually doing it |
| 15:55.28 | Mousey | hugs his Battery Full icon |
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| 15:55.52 | crashanddie | anyway, peace |
| 15:55.56 | lbt | has the munchies... |
| 15:56.02 | crashanddie | gotta go say goodbye to some people here |
| 15:56.05 | RST38h | pupnik: you cant survey unborn babies though |
| 15:56.06 | crashanddie | ttyl |
| 15:56.12 | Mousey | adios |
| 15:56.19 | lbt | toodle pip |
| 15:56.34 | pupnik | RST38h: yeah, and there's something called individual responsibility |
| 15:56.39 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 15:56.44 | RST38h | pupnik: and if you legalize this stuff, the number of addicts will likely grow with time |
| 15:56.47 | GeneralAntilles | Mostly forgotten these days. |
| 15:57.14 | GeneralAntilles | You'll also put the entire illegal drug industry out of business overnight. |
| 15:57.41 | pupnik | actually legalization would be a huge shock to wall street |
| 15:58.01 | andre____ | GeneralAntilles: "Do whatever you want with your own damn body" was also my position, but if you see friends killing themselves slowly, you have to realize that it doesn't work |
| 15:58.01 | pupnik | catherine austin-fitts did a nice presentation on how they need the drug money a few years back |
| 15:58.06 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody seen Layer Cake? |
| 15:58.25 | GeneralAntilles | andre____, well, neither does making it illegal. |
| 15:58.29 | pupnik | andre____: then you intervene, as a friend. |
| 15:58.30 | GeneralAntilles | People will get it either way |
| 15:58.41 | GeneralAntilles | Clearly government crackdowns don't work. |
| 15:58.56 | Mousey | it has Bond in it! |
| 15:58.57 | andre____ | hmm. okay, so same position. just wanted to clarify :) |
| 15:59.33 | Mousey | blah, it's a matter of education |
| 15:59.42 | lbt | you might want to ask *why* people take drugs or drink. Isn't a lot of it escapism? The root cause of a lot of this stuff is deep down... |
| 16:00.05 | GeneralAntilles | They should read fantasy instead. *g* |
| 16:00.17 | Mousey | or play wesnoth! |
| 16:00.21 | lbt | Piers Anthony ... Bio of a Space Tyrant.... |
| 16:01.18 | GeneralAntilles | I like On a Pale Horse |
| 16:01.25 | GeneralAntilles | Only good book in that series, unfortunately. |
| 16:02.00 | pupnik | Macroscope was good too |
| 16:02.16 | lbt | I can't remember - I've read too many... |
| 16:02.19 | pupnik | Anthony's reflections on death were poignant |
| 16:02.27 | pupnik | And of course the rolicking Xanth |
| 16:02.39 | lbt | (banned in the US) |
| 16:02.48 | pupnik | what is banned? |
| 16:02.54 | lbt | (people are *naked* under their clothes!!) |
| 16:02.56 | lbt | Xanth |
| 16:03.06 | pupnik | lol wasn't when i bought em |
| 16:03.08 | lbt | don't you read the afterwords? |
| 16:03.23 | lbt | some states apparently |
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| 16:03.52 | lbt | vague recollections - probably not a 'legal' ban - just the bible bashers... |
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| 16:04.18 | pupnik | oh driving them out of stores? yes i vaguely recall that |
| 16:04.19 | lbt | I want my book collection (titles) on my n800 |
| 16:04.51 | pupnik | Playing NOW on the Scott Horton Show! Fred Kaplan will discuss his article in Slate magazine, âHow Much Does John McCain Really Know About Foreign Policy? Not As Much As Heâd Like You to Think.â Stream here http://kaosradioaustin.org/ Irc channel ##AntiWarRadio on irc.freenode.net - CU there! http://kaosradioaustin.org:8959/kaos-64.m3u |
| 16:05.15 | GeneralAntilles | Lots of things are "banned" |
| 16:05.19 | Mousey | uh |
| 16:05.22 | GeneralAntilles | Doesn't really mean much |
| 16:05.38 | lbt | it does to the rest of the world |
| 16:05.39 | GeneralAntilles | lbt, I have 'em on my N800. |
| 16:05.44 | lbt | we value freedom :) |
| 16:05.49 | lbt | what do you use? |
| 16:05.53 | GeneralAntilles | Doesn't even mean much for the states they're banned in. |
| 16:05.55 | GeneralAntilles | FBReader |
| 16:05.59 | Mousey | freedom isn't free |
| 16:06.07 | lbt | oh, the books :) |
| 16:06.14 | lbt | I just meant the titles |
| 16:06.19 | GeneralAntilles | Claiming anywhere really values freedom these days is a farce. ;) |
| 16:06.23 | lbt | so I can see what I've already got |
| 16:06.28 | lbt | true.. |
| 16:06.36 | GeneralAntilles | Europe clearly doesn't value freedom |
| 16:06.40 | GeneralAntilles | Nor does North America. |
| 16:06.44 | MangoFusion | #include <conspiracy.h> |
| 16:07.02 | lbt | in the UK they watch very carefully to make sure we're free. |
| 16:07.09 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 16:07.21 | GeneralAntilles | The UK's ban on firearms makes me laugh. |
| 16:07.29 | lbt | not me |
| 16:07.58 | lbt | it may make sense in the US where there is so much open land |
| 16:08.06 | GeneralAntilles | Bleh |
| 16:08.12 | GeneralAntilles | Don't get me started on that nonsense. |
| 16:08.27 | GeneralAntilles | it makes sense anywhere where free people wish to protect their freedom. |
| 16:08.32 | lbt | there is *nowhere* in england where a gun can safely be fired outdoors |
| 16:08.41 | GeneralAntilles | Clearly the people of the UK aren't interested in that. |
| 16:08.44 | lbt | shooting people isn't allowed |
| 16:08.56 | lbt | nor, sadly, is elecrocuting them |
| 16:09.22 | derf | No one values freedom. |
| 16:09.26 | GeneralAntilles | Besides, the "space" argument is nonsense. |
| 16:09.39 | lbt | ? |
| 16:09.42 | GeneralAntilles | There are millions of firearm owners in big cities. |
| 16:09.47 | lbt | oh yes |
| 16:09.53 | lbt | stupid or what! |
| 16:10.00 | lbt | it's too late in the US |
| 16:10.03 | GeneralAntilles | Which is why we have things like gun ranges. |
| 16:10.14 | GeneralAntilles | Stupid is the UK's ban. |
| 16:10.17 | lbt | guns are part of the culture |
| 16:10.29 | lbt | I have *never* seen a gun |
| 16:10.36 | lbt | other than in the airport |
| 16:10.38 | GeneralAntilles | There's a reason the firearm amendment is #2. |
| 16:10.54 | lbt | hey, we just use gunpowder.... |
| 16:11.02 | lbt | much better |
| 16:11.14 | lbt | and we get fireworks in november when it's dark at nigh |
| 16:11.15 | lbt | t |
| 16:11.19 | lbt | (d'oh) |
| 16:11.47 | lbt | (hmm, those fireworks are dim... oh, wait, it's July!!!) |
| 16:12.10 | GeneralAntilles | I don't know how a people can put up with having such a basic freedom as the right to defend yourself taken away from you. |
| 16:12.24 | lbt | unarmed combat |
| 16:12.36 | lbt | it's the difference between Rugby and American Football |
| 16:13.11 | lbt | I'd just love to see the football pansies in a real rugby match with no armour.... |
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| 16:14.51 | GeneralAntilles | Anyway, it's time for me to go. |
| 16:15.00 | GeneralAntilles | I'll be in and out over the next week or so. |
| 16:15.02 | GeneralAntilles | Later all. |
| 16:15.04 | lbt | lol :) l8r... |
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| 16:20.06 | Khertan_n810 | Hi ! |
| 16:20.56 | Khertan_n810 | x-fade > is there a way to upload to extra builder queue without using the web interface |
| 16:20.57 | Khertan_n810 | ? |
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| 16:24.52 | mikkov_ | Khertan_n810: use sscp |
| 16:24.54 | mikkov_ | scp |
| 16:24.56 | melmoth | Khertan_n810: should work with dput http://extras-cauldron.garage.maemo.org/HOWTO.html |
| 16:26.23 | mikkov_ | scp your stuff your_account@garage.maemo.org:/var/www/extras-devel/incoming-builder/diablo |
| 16:26.30 | Khertan_n810 | hum last time i ve tryed connection was refused |
| 16:26.47 | Khertan_n810 | hum ... in incoming-builder |
| 16:26.48 | mikkov_ | do you have ssh key installed |
| 16:26.58 | Khertan_n810 | i ve do it in the wrong folder |
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| 16:28.35 | Khertan_n810 | thx |
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| 16:40.26 | Cptnodegard | http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/cautionary.png |
| 16:40.28 | Cptnodegard | lololol |
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| 16:42.34 | qwerty12 | Hmm, CFS or anticipatory scheduler? |
| 16:42.44 | mgedmin | ouch, the popup text |
| 16:42.56 | jott | Cptnodegard: you should link to the whole page not only to the image as it's missing the alt title this way ;) |
| 16:42.59 | mgedmin | canonical url: http://xkcd.com/456/ |
| 16:44.08 | Cptnodegard | sry, old habit |
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| 16:47.48 | Cptnodegard | anyone tried WD passport HDDs on n8x0's with USB battery for power source? |
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| 16:59.17 | t_s_o | hmm, i would have loved to see a geographical spread on that last labletblog vote... |
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| 17:02.25 | zfigz | Can anyone answer my post? |
| 17:02.27 | zfigz | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=208604#post208604 |
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| 17:03.41 | GNUton | Hi there |
| 17:04.13 | snowmoon-work | Contacts is crappy on a good day, good luck. Your best bet is to open a bug report and maybe they can fix it for os2009 |
| 17:04.36 | GNUton | X-Fade: ping |
| 17:05.14 | mikkov_ | Khertan: python-hildondesktop is called python2.5-hildondesktop is diablo extras-devel ;) |
| 17:05.45 | zfigz | snowmoon, thanks for the reply. |
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| 17:17.46 | darkip | hey |
| 17:19.52 | dannym | zfigz: is the sip number before the "@" unique or is is dependent on the SIP (gate?)? |
| 17:21.34 | zap | whoa, zip 3.0 has been released |
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| 17:23.10 | darkip | quick question: I have an n810, do a dual boot with diablo on my internal memory and kde on my external mini-sd? |
| 17:23.19 | dannym | zap: O_o really? zip hasn't had any updates in ages... you do mean upstream? (InfoSys) |
| 17:23.32 | zap | yep :] |
| 17:23.36 | zap | http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=118012 |
| 17:23.52 | zap | and unzip 6.0 is betas |
| 17:24.25 | dannym | *reads changelog* |
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| 17:26.33 | dannym | "fix memory bug when rebuilding Zip64 central directory extra field which can crash MinGW and other ports when processing large files. (zipfile.c)" ... aha |
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| 17:30.10 | RST38h | BTW, Maemo libz is somehow broken - it won't unpack files compressed with earlier zlib versions |
| 17:30.14 | zap | unicode support, at last |
| 17:31.07 | zap | RST38h: unfortunately its part of the locked distro |
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| 17:33.24 | zap | ugh, zip archives support bzip2 compression %-O |
| 17:33.43 | dannym | darkip: is that a question? I don't have your device so I can't... :) |
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| 17:34.13 | zap | hello konttori, the Nokia guy :) |
| 17:34.20 | konttori | hi |
| 17:34.31 | dannym | darkip: If you meant whether it's possible, then I say yes, there is a boot (manager) menu thingie available which asks you at bootup which partition you want to boot from :) |
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| 17:37.53 | dannym | zap: is there unicode support in ZIP? At least in "zipfile.c" all there is with "UNICODE_SUPPORT" is one lousy "#include" :) well, I'll read the other files properly later... :) |
| 17:38.08 | dannym | hi konttori |
| 17:38.20 | zap | dannym: I read that in their changelog, haven't looked into details yet |
| 17:38.29 | konttori | dannym: I don't see why zip would care about the content in any way |
| 17:38.47 | konttori | it's byte based anyway |
| 17:39.12 | zfigz | dannym, I think it's the same always. |
| 17:39.30 | zfigz | dannym, sorry, I'm at work. |
| 17:40.31 | derf | konttori: Not in the file content, in the file names. |
| 17:40.33 | dannym | konttori: yeah, although people use all kinds of whacky encodings in the directory in the ZIP file.. |
| 17:41.02 | dannym | konttori: so you get like KOI8-R encoded names with "unzip -v" :) |
| 17:41.16 | konttori | ah. well, could be an implementation detail issue. |
| 17:41.17 | dannym | (and it says nowhere that they are KOI8-R ... AFAIK) |
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| 17:41.29 | konttori | how about tarring the content and zipping the tar? |
| 17:41.44 | derf | And some stuff even convmv can't fix. |
| 17:41.59 | derf | konttori: The problem is you are often not the one creating the archive. |
| 17:42.13 | konttori | true enough |
| 17:42.14 | derf | It's handling the crazy archives other people make that's the problem. |
| 17:42.20 | zap | dannym: even zip 2.32 itself does that, the windows archive puts them in the ANSI codepage... |
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| 17:43.07 | dannym | zap: I see... bah... |
| 17:43.28 | zap | thats one of the reasons to switch to zip 3.0 :) |
| 17:43.45 | zap | I hope Maemo will be the first Unix distro to include pre-built packages for it :-) |
| 17:43.58 | RST38h | zap: Then Nokia has to fix it |
| 17:44.12 | zap | RST38h: it Works For Them {tm} |
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| 17:44.39 | zfigz | VOIP ports are blocked often, aren't they? |
| 17:44.47 | RST38h | zap: They still have to fix it. And it is dead easy too, jump upgrade libz to the next minor version number |
| 17:45.03 | dannym | zap: yeah yeah I can feel the pressure ;) |
| 17:45.47 | zap | dannym: I'm doing it right now :) |
| 17:46.26 | dannym | ah, that's good then... volunteers ;) |
| 17:46.30 | dannym | -s |
| 17:48.11 | zap | its part of my Make Archiving Easy in Maemo project ;) |
| 17:49.45 | dannym | zap: So you are Andrew? nice to meet you ^^ |
| 17:50.03 | dannym | compiles the Win32 version of ZIP 3.0 to see what it does to German Umlauts in names now... |
| 17:50.05 | zap | um... am I the only Andrew around? :) |
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| 17:50.59 | dannym | zap: no, but you requested membership on "zip-unzip" :) |
| 17:51.07 | dannym | zap: and I'm Danny :D |
| 17:51.10 | zap | indeed :) |
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| 17:51.43 | zap | I see the SVN is empty, thats very good :-) |
| 17:53.32 | dannym | zap: hehehe, well we try to keep as close to upstream as possible so there was no need for our own SVN branch yet :) |
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| 17:54.15 | zap | dannym: thats it, I'm not going to import any code to SVN, just the debian/ stuff :) |
| 17:54.37 | dannym | (as diff from upstream, there's a small patch in the "unzip -vvv" directory listing part and a new "batch-unzip.c" (yields additional executable) but that's pretty much it) |
| 17:54.40 | zap | the idea is that you just download zip30.zip from sf., put it into the respective dir and run dpkg-buildpackage |
| 17:54.41 | dannym | zap: okay :-) |
| 17:55.14 | zap | I'm going to split batch-unzip into a separate package, if you don't mind |
| 17:55.36 | zap | perhaps we can call it unzip-filemanager or unzip-fm, what do you think? |
| 17:55.57 | dannym | zap: yeah, now that we have package management and install files, I see no reason not to split them :-) |
| 17:55.59 | GAN800 | -fm |
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| 17:56.27 | zap | Radio Unzip, 2.32 FM |
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| 17:56.51 | smyows | help |
| 17:56.51 | dannym | zap: do you want to make an entire file-manager-like thingie? The only use case it handles right now is unzipping the entire thing into a subdir (which is the only thing I ever do ;))... |
| 17:56.53 | smyows | :D |
| 17:56.59 | smyows | helo everybody |
| 17:57.24 | zap | dannym: I already made a pretty hildonized port of XArchiver |
| 17:57.37 | zap | if you want, I can give you the url to the .deb so you can test it |
| 17:57.37 | smyows | how to ignore onde package with broken dependencies on apt? |
| 17:58.07 | zap | dannym: but since XArchiver is a wrapper around the command-line stuff, I need to ensure there are high-quality packages for most used archivers |
| 17:58.11 | dannym | zap: ah, cool :) sure... |
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| 18:05.06 | zap | X-Fade: when the package promoter displays what packages in extras-devel can replace packages in extras, it uses dpkg --compare-versions? |
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| 18:06.13 | dannym | zap: hmm... http://imageupload.com/~imageupl/show.php/143215_ZIP30WindowsXP.PNG.html |
| 18:06.42 | zap | cool |
| 18:07.00 | dannym | zap: see how it breaks the Umlauts while zipping... |
| 18:07.09 | dannym | zap: ("adding: "...) |
| 18:07.34 | zap | indeed :) |
| 18:07.41 | zap | but it stores them okay? |
| 18:07.50 | zap | btw, how the old unzip will unpack it? |
| 18:08.02 | dannym | zap: I'm transferring the ZIP file to the N800 as we speak :) and I'll also try that :) |
| 18:08.25 | GAN800 | lol, some decrepit old woman here with an Eee. |
| 18:16.18 | pupnik | i wonder if we could combine lcuk's happy scroller code with a pdf reader |
| 18:16.31 | lcuk | yes please |
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| 18:17.55 | dannym | zap: the ZIP's directory seems to be ANSI as before :( |
| 18:18.53 | zap | maybe it's UTF-8? |
| 18:19.05 | zap | or maybe you have to enable Unicode by using some option |
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| 18:20.38 | dannym | ah |
| 18:21.06 | dannym | I just octal dumped the thing, it removed the Umlauts completely when I tried to "unzip -v" with the old version... |
| 18:21.11 | dannym | good :D |
| 18:21.19 | smyows | guys |
| 18:21.41 | smyows | i have installed one package with dependency |
| 18:21.50 | smyows | ops not |
| 18:21.50 | pupnik | i just sold another N810 :) |
| 18:21.56 | smyows | i have installed wvdial |
| 18:22.05 | smyows | wvdial depends debconf |
| 18:22.13 | smyows | debconf is not installed |
| 18:22.43 | smyows | is possible to keep wvdial package on apt? |
| 18:22.54 | smyows | or apt ignore this dependency? |
| 18:23.11 | dannym | zap: so what happens is that: 1) "zip3" some file whose name contains Umlauts, 2) "unzip2 -v" on the device, it will remove the Umlauts (backwards compat probably...) |
| 18:23.41 | dannym | zap: do you have a "unzip3" ARM binary already? :) |
| 18:23.55 | dannym | (just the executable so I can check what it does then :)) |
| 18:23.58 | zap | dannym: unzip 6.0 is still beta, I think it makes sense to wait for the release |
| 18:24.17 | dannym | zap: ah, yeah... |
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| 18:27.49 | dannym | zap: brb :) |
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| 18:31.51 | mneptok | anyone have a moment to answer silly questions about OS2008 updating? |
| 18:32.21 | GAN800 | Just ask. |
| 18:32.35 | GAN800 | If there's somebody here to answer, they will. |
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| 18:35.27 | nemo | pupnik: ok. I'll ask here. |
| 18:35.30 | mneptok | does this really require Windows? |
| 18:35.46 | GAN800 | What makes you think that? . . . |
| 18:35.46 | qwerty12_N800 | No, linux or os x works. |
| 18:36.00 | GAN800 | ~flashing |
| 18:36.01 | infobot | flashing is probably covered at http://wiki.maemo.org/Upgrading_tablet_OS |
| 18:36.02 | mneptok | GAN800: Nokia telephone support |
| 18:36.09 | GAN800 | Pfft |
| 18:36.18 | nemo | I've been searchingfor a UMPC for years. Keyboard size wasn't critical, but ditching all that wasted space of touchpad was - as was battery life and ability to run a linux distro |
| 18:36.21 | sp3000 | yeah, humans are useless |
| 18:36.21 | GAN800 | Who calls telephone support these days |
| 18:36.26 | mneptok | that URL has no content |
| 18:36.26 | nemo | this Nokia N810 looks perfect |
| 18:36.36 | pupnik | it's very close to perfect :) |
| 18:36.40 | sp3000 | mneptok: reload, the wiki likes to give you blank pages at random |
| 18:36.48 | nemo | pupnik: so. what obstacles would I run into in terms of getting arbitrary linux app X running on it? |
| 18:36.59 | nemo | pupnik: and what package management system(s) does it support? |
| 18:37.05 | pupnik | situation is getting better all the time. .deb |
| 18:37.10 | mneptok | sp3000: clicking reload like an impatient grnadmother ordering socks. no dice. |
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| 18:37.23 | nemo | pupnik: 2.6.x kernel? |
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| 18:37.33 | pupnik | yeah.. |
| 18:37.35 | sp3000 | mneptok: the sort of reload that bypasses cache, like shift-ctrl-r on fx |
| 18:37.50 | nemo | not that that is really that critical in terms of HW support on a umpc obviously - but impacts other stuff |
| 18:37.53 | mcgorny | hey, could anyone tell how to view the arp-cache list on N810 / os08 |
| 18:37.53 | pupnik | the native UI library is hildon - a subset of GTK |
| 18:37.55 | nemo | sweet |
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| 18:38.07 | nemo | pupnik: ... subset. subset of GTK2? |
| 18:38.12 | nemo | what are we losing? |
| 18:38.13 | GAN800 | No |
| 18:38.20 | GAN800 | Extension of gtk |
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| 18:38.25 | qwerty12_N800 | ^ |
| 18:38.28 | pupnik | ok extension of gtk2 |
| 18:38.28 | nemo | GAN800: superset? :) |
| 18:38.31 | GAN800 | Designed for mobile use |
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| 18:38.41 | pupnik | subset was rong |
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| 18:39.01 | GAN800 | It's Gtk with some addons for mobile stuff |
| 18:39.20 | GAN800 | Generally speaking, Gtk applications can run straight. |
| 18:40.09 | pupnik | mcgorny: not sure sorry |
| 18:40.12 | nemo | good times. |
| 18:40.29 | nemo | how about j2me support? |
| 18:40.40 | pupnik | nemo is a programmer :D |
| 18:40.42 | nemo | not a huge priority for me, but would be nice |
| 18:40.43 | GAN800 | mneptok, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 18:40.44 | pupnik | mmmmooor coderrrzzzz |
| 18:40.53 | nemo | code monkey |
| 18:40.58 | GAN800 | ~no flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 18:40.59 | infobot | GAN800: okay |
| 18:41.26 | nemo | Also, pupnik said the N810 runs tethered, which is not a problem for me - but just for information, is there something comparable that doesn't require that |
| 18:41.27 | jott | nemo: you need to hack a bit to get j2me running, actually j2se is easier ;) |
| 18:41.31 | nemo | or can dock? |
| 18:41.42 | nemo | jott: doesn't shock me... |
| 18:41.54 | nemo | jott: although I suppose I could run the Sun WTK :D |
| 18:42.10 | nemo | or maybe strip down the sun wtk |
| 18:42.15 | pupnik | if you live in a wimax city, you might want the wimax edition. but no radio |
| 18:42.18 | nemo | just render a screen with inputs |
| 18:42.19 | pupnik | *cell radio |
| 18:42.30 | mcgorny | damn, I'd really need to see that cache, but there's no 'arp' script included & google doesn't find any packages for that either |
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| 18:42.43 | nemo | pupnik: and no plans to change that? |
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| 18:42.54 | GAN800 | apt-cache |
| 18:42.57 | pupnik | afaik no plans to change that |
| 18:43.06 | pupnik | GAN - adress resolution protocol |
| 18:43.18 | Binky | Hi everyone |
| 18:43.33 | GAN800 | Right then |
| 18:43.37 | jott | GAN800: i think he means arp as in address resolution protocol ;) |
| 18:43.57 | mcgorny | yep |
| 18:44.08 | jott | ah pupnik was faster :P |
| 18:44.24 | jott | mcgorny: should be a trivial compile |
| 18:46.14 | mcgorny | hmok never compiled stuff for my tablet before |
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| 18:46.23 | kpel | hi |
| 18:46.42 | RST38h | GA: Do you by any chance know if Maemo provides server space for web projects? |
| 18:46.51 | GAN800 | 'web'? |
| 18:46.55 | jott | mcgorny: it's actually in the net-tools package of the sdk |
| 18:47.10 | GAN800 | Like pack rat? |
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| 18:47.34 | jott | mcgorny: http://outpo.st/arp |
| 18:48.23 | RST38h | GA: Yep |
| 18:48.39 | RST38h | Looks like rm_you's server has got into some problems |
| 18:48.41 | GAN800 | No, but get with ferenc |
| 18:48.48 | RST38h | Ok, thanks |
| 18:48.52 | GAN800 | He's working on packages.maemo.org |
| 18:49.30 | GAN800 | Which wont include non-maemo.org packages, but might be a good way to work on the aggregator anyway. |
| 18:49.45 | RST38h | GA: I wanted to move it somewhere stable + do some more work on it |
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| 18:50.27 | RST38h | GA: One possible extension is that icon-based group aggregator, another is a script that automatically detects any package conflicts inside one repository or across multiple ones |
| 18:51.12 | smyows | rsalveti, helo |
| 18:51.32 | smyows | rsalveti, como esta recife? ;) |
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| 19:01.30 | Binky | is not involved in the conversation. |
| 19:01.39 | pupnik | it could be worse... |
| 19:01.50 | zfigz | Hey |
| 19:01.57 | zfigz | Are SIP ports usually blocked? |
| 19:02.05 | rsalveti | smyows: quite good :-) |
| 19:02.07 | befr0d_ | is wondering about what conversation |
| 19:02.11 | zfigz | I'm trying to use the wifi at work and gizmo isn't working (via the internet call app) |
| 19:02.14 | zfigz | but skype does work. |
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| 19:03.35 | befr0d_ | skype uses different port, also skype seems to include an option to 'disguise' the traffic as http I believe |
| 19:03.50 | Binky | How much money would you want for this trade? Nokia 700 + money for a N800 |
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| 19:04.40 | nemo | pupnik: since you said this thing has GPS - can I glance over the APIs for fetching the data? |
| 19:04.50 | zfigz | befr0, that's good to know. |
| 19:04.53 | nemo | I assume they are on maemo.org somewhere? |
| 19:05.15 | zfigz | I just prefer the internet call app...and i like having my number recognized by people's caller ids |
| 19:06.09 | pupnik | nemo um... i'm not the person to ask. there is info out there |
| 19:06.30 | nemo | pretty much just want lat/lon with precision :) |
| 19:06.42 | nemo | bonus if I can fetch history and altitude |
| 19:07.52 | melmoth | nemo: as long as you are _really_ patient, you can have those info |
| 19:07.52 | smyows | rsalveti, is possible to next release of operational system of n8x0 to put ppp dialer on osso-conect... |
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| 19:07.53 | dannym | back :) |
| 19:07.53 | melmoth | but to be honest, the gps in the 810 is more of a gadjet than anything else: the time it takes to hook to satellite is horrible |
| 19:08.48 | smyows | rsalveti, i've compile new kernel with other modules to work vivozap and rebuild some debian packages (wstremer, wvdial...) to work 3g on maemo |
| 19:09.08 | smyows | rsalveti, now works fine, but is not elegant ;D |
| 19:11.05 | nemo | melmoth: ... on order of... |
| 19:11.08 | nemo | minutes? |
| 19:11.28 | nemo | melmoth: also, hopefully GPS is disableable, and when activated, what impact on battery life? |
| 19:11.39 | melmoth | if you are lucky..near the place you had it woring the last time, with good sunshine, outside and immobile.. 10mn roughly |
| 19:11.41 | qwerty12_N800 | Does mc have a hex-editor? |
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| 19:11.46 | nemo | melmoth: eep |
| 19:12.02 | nemo | melmoth: ok. that is pretty much useless. |
| 19:12.21 | melmoth | if you are trecking by foot and dont mind the first quarter of an hour, it s ok. |
| 19:12.33 | thiagoss | I'm trying to create a SessionBus object in python and I'm getting "Failed to execute dbus-lanch to autolaunch DBus session". It seems like the session dbus is not running. |
| 19:12.54 | nemo | melmoth: oh. I can actually use it to track a path? |
| 19:13.05 | nemo | that's like my main use of GPS |
| 19:13.08 | thiagoss | I believe is should be started when I start my n800. But apparently it is not. Help? |
| 19:13.19 | melmoth | it s just a gps, you do what you want with it..Some application such as maemoapper have this tracker feature already built in |
| 19:13.21 | dannym | thiagoss: is your environment variable "DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS" set in your shell? |
| 19:13.26 | dannym | the* |
| 19:13.51 | qwerty12_N800 | you are meant to use run-standalone.sh iirc |
| 19:13.53 | melmoth | nemo: this was meant to be maemoMapper with an m :) |
| 19:14.07 | mneptok | great. Nokia tech support is about as iseful as a whistle on a duck. |
| 19:14.11 | mneptok | *useful |
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| 19:15.23 | pupnik | melmoth, well that's worse than my average. on a good day i'll get a lock in 2 min. on a bad day, moving around, never. |
| 19:15.36 | thiagoss | dannym, let me check |
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| 19:16.31 | melmoth | pupnik: you leave in the country ? i m most of the time in city, so no big area without building around |
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| 19:16.49 | thiagoss | dannym, it is not |
| 19:17.00 | thiagoss | But things were working until last week |
| 19:17.26 | pupnik | melmoth: in a midsize town. brick buildings. trees.. |
| 19:17.27 | nemo | mneptok: hm. I think a whistle on a duck would be pretty handy |
| 19:17.52 | nemo | I guess same utility as their tech support. entertainment value. |
| 19:18.01 | melmoth | grumble.. I never managed to have a lock so fast. |
| 19:18.19 | nemo | other utility similar with their tech support. easier to find 'em when hunting them down. |
| 19:18.52 | nemo | melmoth: that's a reason to regret the lack of cell. cell info can be really useful to locate in urban areas |
| 19:18.59 | nemo | or anywhere else satellites are obstructed |
| 19:19.04 | thiagoss | dannym, what should I do to autoset this envvar with the session bus when system is initialized? |
| 19:19.16 | nemo | some folks who rave about their GPS don't realise their cell phone is quietly using cell tower info to supplement missing satellites |
| 19:20.12 | melmoth | i think there is something about using non gps data to help localisation on a cold start (i think the key word is agps) |
| 19:20.40 | melmoth | but i m not following this real closely (i manage to spot the most nearest kebab in town, and this is my main cause of deplacement) |
| 19:20.46 | RST38h | there is a-gps |
| 19:20.53 | RST38h | and it works, although not always |
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| 19:21.17 | nemo | RST38h: what is a-gps, and what could it be in a device without a radio? |
| 19:21.18 | RST38h | looks like you need to reboot tablet in order for a-gps to read data from scratch |
| 19:21.27 | nemo | oh |
| 19:21.28 | nemo | wifi? |
| 19:21.35 | RST38h | nemo: The GPS locking process consists of 3 stages |
| 19:21.38 | GAN800 | Or 'tap on map' |
| 19:21.48 | RST38h | GAN: Apparently not - I tried |
| 19:22.06 | RST38h | I.e. you change location by tapping, but it only reads new data after reboot, god knows why |
| 19:22.13 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: Restating gps + supl daemons? |
| 19:22.20 | qwerty12_N800 | *restarting |
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| 19:22.26 | nemo | ooh. this has a touch sensitive screen? |
| 19:22.31 | nemo | man. my requirements were looooow |
| 19:22.34 | RST38h | nemo: 1) getting 'almanac' (sat status), 2) getting 'ephemerides' (sat locations), 3) finding sats |
| 19:22.53 | RST38h | nemo: 1+2 will take at least 3 minutes on the best gps receiver |
| 19:22.54 | pupnik | nemo, screen is excellent |
| 19:22.58 | GAN800 | lol |
| 19:23.11 | GAN800 | can't imagine using the tablet without touch. |
| 19:23.11 | nemo | pupnik: nifty. I seriously just wanted a teensy computer that ran linux and didn't waste real estate on touch screen |
| 19:23.21 | nemo | this mic, camera and gps business is just gravy |
| 19:23.28 | RST38h | nemo: a-gps will read 1+2 off the net, using your GPRS or WiFi connection |
| 19:23.30 | nemo | er |
| 19:23.33 | nemo | s/touch screen/touch pad/ |
| 19:23.37 | pupnik | right |
| 19:23.41 | RST38h | nemo: this leaves step 3 only |
| 19:23.52 | pupnik | the power profile is also much superior to 'umpc's |
| 19:23.55 | RST38h | nemo: And step 3 is like 30+ seconds |
| 19:24.02 | nemo | RST38h: neat. I never properly understood the underlying mechanics |
| 19:24.12 | RST38h | nemo: Check Wiki for details |
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| 19:24.22 | pupnik | RST38h-san knows of many things |
| 19:24.30 | nemo | RST38h: my understanding of speed was due to supplementing a missing sat with cell info to figure out what side of planet you were on |
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| 19:24.37 | RST38h | s/many things/lotsa crap/ |
| 19:24.45 | nemo | RST38h: didn't know they could also fetch other info ahead of time |
| 19:24.51 | lcuk | ~kids |
| 19:24.59 | lcuk | ~lart kids |
| 19:24.59 | infobot | flings poo at kids |
| 19:25.02 | lcuk | :D |
| 19:25.05 | RST38h | nemo: well, lacking cell info, A-gps will ask you to tap your approximate location on a map |
| 19:25.14 | nemo | RST38h: heh. cool. |
| 19:25.16 | RST38h | nemo: kinda primitive but works just as well |
| 19:25.19 | GAN800 | lcuk, that's just asking for trouble. |
| 19:25.21 | nemo | RST38h: I'll take that |
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| 19:25.31 | nemo | RST38h: hell, I hopefully only have to tell it what continent I'm on |
| 19:25.33 | GAN800 | Those little bastards'll just fling it back. |
| 19:25.56 | lcuk | GAN800, not really, jake just came and sat on my knee - instead of just talkin to me, he closed everything i had open |
| 19:26.02 | nemo | although... I guess even with just one satellite... |
| 19:26.04 | RST38h | nemo: Actually, not. The 1+2 data is valid for about 100km radius or so |
| 19:26.08 | nemo | yeah |
| 19:26.09 | GAN800 | Hahaha |
| 19:26.20 | GAN800 | lcuk dun got punkd |
| 19:26.38 | nemo | RST38h: and the GPS is easy to activate/deactivate? |
| 19:26.40 | lcuk | code - gone, irc - gone, multi page search - gone |
| 19:26.48 | RST38h | nemo: In N810? |
| 19:26.57 | nemo | RST38h: also, since you seem knowledgeable - where are the APIs? And is there a cli query tool I could use for scripting? |
| 19:26.59 | RST38h | nemo: It gets activated automatically when some application asks for it |
| 19:27.00 | nemo | RST38h: yeppers |
| 19:27.08 | nemo | RST38h: and shuts down... how? |
| 19:27.20 | mcgorny | i have another silly question. when I leave only the maemo-chinook repository in the application manager, then I see only like 3-4 packages that I can install. What's up with that, do I have to update something to be able to install the others ? |
| 19:27.21 | GAN800 | When it's done. |
| 19:27.22 | RST38h | nemo: some time after the last app closes it |
| 19:27.27 | GAN800 | gpsd |
| 19:27.32 | RST38h | it does linger for about 30-60 seconds |
| 19:27.39 | nemo | cool, cool. |
| 19:27.50 | RST38h | nemo: I think you can just read GPS data from a pipe |
| 19:27.56 | nemo | GAN800: dæmon with a polling tool? |
| 19:27.58 | GAN800 | mcgorny, flash Diablo already. |
| 19:27.59 | RST38h | nemo: in NEMA (?) format |
| 19:28.10 | nemo | (gpsd) |
| 19:28.13 | RST38h | nemo: But there are several APIs, search maemo.org |
| 19:28.30 | marcell1 | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/apis/4-1/ |
| 19:29.02 | nemo | marcell1: libgpsmgr ? |
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| 19:29.10 | nemo | no. that doesn't look right |
| 19:29.13 | nemo | browses |
| 19:29.15 | marcell1 | I guess so. I have not used it myself. |
| 19:29.40 | melmoth | nemo: you know python ? |
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| 19:29.52 | nemo | melmoth: avoided it so far. |
| 19:30.02 | nemo | melmoth: my interpreted languages are perl, php, javascript |
| 19:30.14 | nemo | and I suppose pl/sql if you want to get technical |
| 19:30.15 | dannym | thiagoss: "dbus-launch xyz" |
| 19:30.55 | melmoth | main langages for maemo are C and python for scripting. |
| 19:30.57 | mcgorny | GAN800: ok, hopefully the other stuff I have will be reinstallable then ;P |
| 19:31.03 | melmoth | there is a gps api in python described somewhere |
| 19:31.21 | dannym | thiagoss: for example "exec dbus-launch ssh-agent xfce4-panel" in "xinitrc"... I'm speaking generally, it should be done automagically by the distribution... |
| 19:31.43 | thiagoss | dannym, ok, thanks. I'll take a look |
| 19:31.53 | nemo | melmoth: guess I'll learn it if it comes to it |
| 19:32.01 | nemo | melmoth: I'm sure there are perl libs too :-p |
| 19:32.37 | melmoth | not so sure about perl libs for the gps binding |
| 19:33.15 | konttori | vala seems to be coming nicely together, so if you want something in between python and c, that's a good alternative. |
| 19:33.33 | konttori | or genie even more so, as it's python syntax vala. |
| 19:34.03 | konttori | If I needed to write something with C, I'd use vala instead. |
| 19:34.06 | melmoth | nemo: http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/documentation/python_gps_examples/index.html |
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| 19:34.13 | nemo | konttori: that might help with (1) - 1) python pisses me off on the arrogance of forcing my formatting and forbidding one-liners 2) CPAN is still way more comprehensive |
| 19:34.18 | konttori | If I needed to write something fast, I'd still use python |
| 19:34.27 | nemo | melmoth: oh, I'm sure I'll figure it out if I have to |
| 19:34.30 | RST38h | konttori: why not perl? |
| 19:34.31 | nemo | just wish python would die though |
| 19:34.42 | pupnik | we have ruby for the tablets too nemo |
| 19:34.49 | konttori | I like the forced formatting. |
| 19:34.57 | nemo | pupnik: hmm. another interpreted language I haven't dipped into. |
| 19:35.07 | nemo | pupnik: might try that one. pity Python is better with big num |
| 19:35.09 | konttori | I think that's one of those you either like or truly dislike things |
| 19:35.09 | melmoth | i do not think any of the other scripting langaue come with a gpssomething binding anyway.... |
| 19:35.18 | melmoth | not a hildon one for that matter |
| 19:35.30 | RST38h | When you all die and get into Hell, the Satan will make you program MUMPS. |
| 19:35.37 | nemo | http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Amaemo.org+perl+gp |
| 19:35.37 | zap | dannym: what's the .cbz extension? why it's listed as application/x-zip-compressed ? |
| 19:35.40 | nemo | ... gps |
| 19:35.41 | konttori | well, I think python is just more suitable for any UI like coding than perl. |
| 19:35.59 | RST38h | UIs are overrated =) |
| 19:36.02 | dannym | zap: comic book zip |
| 19:36.06 | zap | %-O |
| 19:36.09 | nemo | hm. none of those appear to be libs |
| 19:36.10 | dannym | zap: was a feature request |
| 19:36.13 | dannym | zap: :D |
| 19:36.14 | RST38h | But when you need pattern matching, nothing beats Perl |
| 19:36.27 | nemo | RST38h: that's just regex |
| 19:36.32 | zap | dannym: thanks god you did not include that manga viewer into the unzip package :-o |
| 19:36.39 | nemo | RST38h: I prefer perl syntax too - but then, I like javascript syntax. pity cli javascript is not there yet |
| 19:36.47 | nemo | RST38h: prototyping rocks |
| 19:36.47 | lardman | RST38h: about the re-reading data after a reboot, that's not correct |
| 19:36.50 | dannym | zap: of course not :) |
| 19:37.00 | zap | I've seen it in the postinst hook :) |
| 19:37.00 | konttori | qt has nice javascript support |
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| 19:37.11 | lardman | RST38h: it will re-read the supl message as long as the gps is not up |
| 19:37.26 | konttori | you can do pretty much everything on javascript on qt |
| 19:37.36 | dannym | zap: actually the manga viewer thingie is kinda obsolete since the builtin image viewer stopped being stupid :) |
| 19:38.07 | lardman | RST38h: step 3 should also really be "finding sats and establishing accurate time" ;) |
| 19:38.14 | zap | dannym: :) |
| 19:38.32 | zap | I like the quiver image viewer a bit more, although it does not see my bluetooth phone |
| 19:38.50 | pupnik | quiver++ |
| 19:39.00 | pupnik | gqview a bit faster but not hildonized yet |
| 19:39.10 | qwerty12_N800 | quiver ftw |
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| 19:39.21 | zap | gqview died, unfortunately |
| 19:39.57 | qwerty12_N800 | zap: i believe there is a way of entering your phones mac manually in quiver |
| 19:40.10 | zap | mac? |
| 19:40.36 | zap | I think thats because quiver does not use gnome vfs api |
| 19:41.19 | qwerty12_N800 | zap: bluetooth address then if you will |
| 19:41.42 | zap | and where I should enter it? |
| 19:42.18 | qwerty12_N800 | file > open location. i think it's some like obex://14:25: etc |
| 19:42.27 | qwerty12_N800 | let me check... |
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| 19:45.26 | zap | way too clumsy anyway :) |
| 19:45.43 | qwerty12_N800 | :) |
| 19:45.54 | nemo | konttori: re: qt JS hooks - using, presumably khtml as the interpeter? |
| 19:46.00 | nemo | interpreter |
| 19:46.26 | jott | nemo: no, QtScript |
| 19:46.50 | nemo | jott: oh. that's a new one by me. decent SDK? |
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| 19:47.27 | Khertan_n810 | Hi ! |
| 19:47.31 | jott | nemo: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/qtscript.html |
| 19:48.09 | nemo | jott: this is just a wrapper |
| 19:48.34 | RST38h | [5~ |
| 19:48.34 | nemo | jott: doesn't say QtScript is an interpreter. Appears to call a wrapped QScriptEngine which could be presumably khtml or gecko or whatever. |
| 19:48.51 | jott | Qt Script is based on the ECMAScript scripting language, as defined in standard ECMA-262. |
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| 19:49.41 | nemo | jott: I'm familiar with ecmascript and have the ecma-262 spec handy. what you're linking me to shows demos of using a QScriptEngine, but there is no reference to extensions in an SDK. |
| 19:49.52 | nemo | jott: looks like just a generic hook |
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| 19:50.07 | jott | nemo: no. it IS an ECMASCript implementation. |
| 19:50.15 | nemo | jott: ... well sure. that's fine |
| 19:50.21 | nemo | jott: obviously QScriptEngine has to call something |
| 19:51.13 | nemo | jott: ecmascript itself though is pretty useless for anything except very self-contained operations |
| 19:51.21 | nemo | jott: can't interact with filesystem, network or other devices. |
| 19:51.25 | jott | just read the page i linked |
| 19:51.32 | nemo | jott: I'm reading. |
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| 19:52.46 | nemo | http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/qtscriptextensions.html - guess that's what I'm looking for |
| 19:52.53 | nemo | now I just need to find a list of standard extensions I guess |
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| 19:53.26 | GAN800 | rm_you, ping |
| 19:54.15 | nemo | yep. still thin on fun stuff. but can look elsewhere. |
| 19:54.19 | nemo | jott: thanks for reference though |
| 19:54.20 | dannym | zap: hmm.. what does the quiver image viewer do differently? |
| 19:54.32 | jott | nemo: what are you after? |
| 19:54.44 | nemo | jott: this is sorta like the rhino docs |
| 19:54.53 | nemo | jott: explains how to invoke JS from inside an existing framework |
| 19:55.19 | nemo | jott: what I would like is something more like perl and python (or gecko). an interpreter that can be thrown at a file or commandline, and comes with a large well defined SDK |
| 19:56.48 | GAN800 | jott, I've got another idea for rm_you to implement for me. :D |
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| 19:58.17 | RST38h | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080730/ap_on_re_us/woman_in_bathroom |
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| 19:59.46 | qwerty12_N800 | wtf |
| 19:59.53 | jott | nemo: you could basically do something like this with qtscript. but in the end qtscript has another focus ;) |
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| 20:00.32 | nemo | jott: sure. I could obviously make a small wrapper program for that |
| 20:00.41 | nemo | jott: although I'd still have issue of setting up that SDK |
| 20:01.04 | nemo | jott: the qtscript focus does seem similar to rhino |
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| 20:09.04 | atkarc^^ | hello |
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| 20:10.57 | jott | nemo: you might also be interested in kross. |
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| 20:12.16 | nemo | jott: interesting, but appears to require I lug around KDE |
| 20:12.33 | nemo | but useful for that I guess |
| 20:12.39 | nemo | kinda like windows scripting host |
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| 20:13.35 | jott | nemo: http://xmelegance.org/kjsembed/examples/cmdline/cmdline.js |
| 20:14.42 | jott | nemo: or http://xmelegance.org/kjsembed/examples/sql/sql.js :) |
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| 20:17.18 | nemo | jott: ok. so kjscmd does *NOT* require running KDE? :) |
| 20:17.30 | nemo | jott: or the dæmons the desktop uses? |
| 20:17.35 | nemo | as, say, a KDE app would require? |
| 20:17.39 | jott | nemo: just the libs for kli stuff (maybe some more packages). |
| 20:17.49 | jott | cli |
| 20:17.59 | jott | but in the end you don't need a running kde session. |
| 20:18.17 | nemo | looks for a package that provides it |
| 20:18.28 | jott | (to be honest i never used it just read about it ;) |
| 20:19.50 | nemo | [ N] kde-base/kjsembed (3.5.9): KDE javascript parser and embedder |
| 20:19.53 | nemo | that looks like it |
| 20:24.04 | jott | nemo: there should also be a kde 4.1 version of it. |
| 20:24.55 | jott | nemo: kde4libs-bin in ubuntu |
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| 20:40.18 | RST38h | One more task off my list for today... |
| 20:42.51 | pupnik | what? |
| 20:48.26 | RST38h | nothing special, just doing various work |
| 20:49.04 | RST38h | 960x240 LTPS LCD |
| 20:49.14 | RST38h | Heh, they measure horizontal resolution in pels |
| 20:49.56 | paul_anagrama | I have qwerty12 kernel with rotation, I have xomap-xserver (the required version) installed, I have last adv-backlight insatalled, but the rotation doesn't work. When I click on the adv-backlight, the buttons for rotation are not there. what I'm doing wrong? |
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| 20:52.08 | jott | paul_anagrama: when the buttons are missing you have the wrong xserver. |
| 20:52.58 | RST38h | is reading datasheet on a poor man's OMAP |
| 20:53.18 | RST38h | A knockoff, not a real thing of course |
| 20:53.43 | paul_anagrama | jott, thanks :-) |
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| 20:55.01 | paul_anagrama | in red-pill mode is showing that there is an OS2008 Feature upgrate - 9.1 MB, should I upgrade? |
| 20:56.11 | RST38h | Has got PCMCIA controller, how is that?!? |
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| 20:59.26 | dannym | sleeep... |
| 21:00.22 | RST38h | This thing can work as a desktop replacement. |
| 21:00.58 | lcuk | RST38h, quite a lot of embedded devices nowadays can |
| 21:01.13 | RST38h | yes, but it got everything down to PS/2 port |
| 21:01.32 | lcuk | heh |
| 21:01.48 | RST38h | ah, it is not ARM, it's a MIPS |
| 21:04.42 | RST38h | and it has got a video accelerator |
| 21:06.44 | zap | oops, my ssh key doesn't work with garage anymore |
| 21:06.52 | zap | I was banned? |
| 21:07.34 | pupnik | RST38h: is this something you can name, or is it NDA |
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| 21:10.04 | RST38h | pupnik: ICNexus 26x0 series SoC |
| 21:11.32 | pupnik | wonder what intel wants with that |
| 21:11.43 | pupnik | ttyl |
| 21:12.17 | RST38h | Intel has nothing to do with this |
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| 21:13.27 | zap | why someone would want a 960x240 LCD, and how this can replace a desktop |
| 21:13.37 | zap | this could replace an HP-42 calculator perhaps |
| 21:13.53 | RST38h | they count width in pels |
| 21:14.01 | RST38h | it is really 320x240 |
| 21:14.47 | lcuk | or its 960 greyscale |
| 21:17.13 | atkarc^^ | goodnight all |
| 21:17.30 | RST38h | lcuk: dream on =) |
| 21:17.31 | zap | shudders imaginig his display would do 320x240 |
| 21:17.54 | RST38h | programmed for 128x96 display once |
| 21:17.55 | lcuk | RST38h, :) not everyone thinks in colo |
| 21:18.04 | lcuk | color even |
| 21:18.15 | RST38h | lcuk <-- YUV man =) |
| 21:18.21 | lcuk | Y :) |
| 21:18.31 | lcuk | i came for the black and white text |
| 21:18.44 | lcuk | i have no need for color (apart from my sketching :D) |
| 21:19.18 | zap | I came to release you of colors, I am teh Grayscale man! |
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| 21:20.39 | Proteous | I always liked The Woz story about how he figured out how to output to a color monitor without the normal stuff to do it. |
| 21:21.01 | lcuk | that sounds familiar |
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| 21:22.28 | RST38h | Proteous: solder two more rows of DRAM on top of the existing one? |
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| 21:23.19 | Proteous | ? |
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| 21:24.37 | lbt | not being an itt inhabitant - does anyone know of any threads there discussing the logos? |
| 21:24.43 | Proteous | He was able to generate the required analog signal with the correct timing just using the few chips he had available, no dedicated DAC |
| 21:25.25 | RST38h | oh, that... |
| 21:25.39 | RST38h | but you don't really need DAC for NTSC |
| 21:25.51 | RST38h | NTSC is all timings anyway |
| 21:26.15 | Proteous | the cool part wasn't that he did it, it was how he did it |
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| 21:26.18 | nemo | RST38h: ditto on the 128x96 - that was just last month actually |
| 21:26.39 | Proteous | the stuff that other people were using at the time was exspensive |
| 21:26.46 | Proteous | expensive |
| 21:26.55 | RST38h | What year was it? |
| 21:27.01 | crashanddie | btw, it's colour :P |
| 21:27.04 | Proteous | :P |
| 21:27.14 | Proteous | 2008 |
| 21:27.21 | Proteous | what year did you think it was? |
| 21:27.35 | RST38h | 'cause Atari 2600 appeared in 1977 and it did NTSC just fine |
| 21:27.42 | crashanddie | first colour display ? |
| 21:27.52 | RST38h | wasn't expensive at all, used MAIN CPU to output video signal |
| 21:28.20 | CAP4276 | hello |
| 21:28.46 | Proteous | the was before that |
| 21:28.57 | Proteous | think, homebrew computer club |
| 21:28.59 | Proteous | apple 1 |
| 21:29.09 | Proteous | computers cases built of wood |
| 21:29.14 | Proteous | wirewrap it yourself |
| 21:29.26 | lcuk | atari had a wooden facia |
| 21:29.31 | Proteous | lol |
| 21:29.31 | Proteous | true |
| 21:29.38 | crashanddie | btw |
| 21:29.51 | crashanddie | Computers have always been colour enabled :P |
| 21:30.06 | crashanddie | I remember the screens being green on black, or orange on black |
| 21:30.10 | crashanddie | that's colour to me :P |
| 21:30.20 | crashanddie | Even white on black is colour :P |
| 21:30.21 | lcuk | ewwww them were the days: shrek porn |
| 21:30.28 | crashanddie | hahaha |
| 21:30.36 | crashanddie | looks like we didn't evolve that much |
| 21:30.50 | lcuk | i thought i was a fossil |
| 21:31.01 | crashanddie | btw |
| 21:31.10 | crashanddie | notice how "the matrix" made green on black cool |
| 21:31.23 | crashanddie | like somehow it was a revelation |
| 21:31.27 | Proteous | bah, my ssh sessions have been green on black since before the matrix |
| 21:31.44 | Proteous | I went through an orange on black faze too |
| 21:31.52 | lcuk | i best get my head back into code anywa |
| 21:31.55 | crashanddie | phase |
| 21:32.04 | crashanddie | lcuk, take car |
| 21:32.09 | crashanddie | or bus |
| 21:32.10 | lcuk | sets fazer to stun |
| 21:32.44 | lcuk | thats almost fonzified :D |
| 21:33.04 | crashanddie | you're the fonz |
| 21:33.25 | Proteous | don't go jumping any sharks now |
| 21:34.24 | crashanddie | Back in the day, lcuk was the cool guy, with the torn leather jacket, the 50cc bike, jeans so tight his testicles... well, you get the picture |
| 21:34.28 | crashanddie | LCUK IS THE FONZ |
| 21:35.10 | crashanddie | I'll stfu now |
| 21:35.24 | lcuk | actually, it was manchester inthe 80's - i had jeans so baggy i could fit my waist in the legs |
| 21:35.43 | crashanddie | wait |
| 21:36.09 | crashanddie | in 2000, I was 14 |
| 21:36.23 | crashanddie | which means in 1990, you were 15 |
| 21:36.32 | lcuk | if 1990 i was 15 |
| 21:36.47 | lcuk | i aint *that* old |
| 21:37.08 | crashanddie | man |
| 21:37.10 | crashanddie | I was 4 |
| 21:37.11 | lcuk | still gets called liam gallagher |
| 21:37.12 | crashanddie | in 1990 |
| 21:37.48 | crashanddie | I mean, you must've had your first look at penthouse when I was being assembled |
| 21:38.59 | lcuk | nahhh |
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| 21:40.25 | crashanddie | /alias lcuk Bernie_Barker |
| 21:40.26 | crashanddie | :D |
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| 21:41.54 | lcuk | ..? defies words. even safe search did not protect my eyes |
| 21:44.06 | lardman | am I too late to abuse lcuk too? ;) |
| 21:44.16 | crashanddie | is it ever |
| 21:44.20 | crashanddie | ? |
| 21:44.26 | lardman | nah, true :) |
| 21:44.27 | lcuk | shurrup gramps |
| 21:44.52 | deisi | soy española |
| 21:45.30 | crashanddie | deisi, language in this channel is English |
| 21:45.47 | lardman | deisi: hello Spanish girl |
| 21:45.52 | lcuk | wonders what he did |
| 21:46.22 | lardman | to receive the abuse, or change the language? :) |
| 21:46.22 | lcuk | simon, i am actually thinking about a problem which you may be able to put your mind to |
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| 21:46.30 | lardman | uurgh |
| 21:46.33 | lcuk | its mathematical :) |
| 21:46.34 | lardman | go on then :) |
| 21:46.55 | lcuk | i am revisiting multitouch |
| 21:47.06 | deisi | hello |
| 21:47.31 | lcuk | the aim this evening is for me to take a 1 dimensional set of data points and identify the finger points over time |
| 21:47.53 | lardman | how is the data presented? |
| 21:48.10 | lardman | is there some raw form which might give multitouch abilities? |
| 21:48.12 | lcuk | collection of data points - can be an arbitary array, but its variable in time |
| 21:48.23 | lardman | ok |
| 21:48.29 | crashanddie | deisi, hi, how can we help you ? |
| 21:48.30 | lcuk | at present ive got [x,y,z,t] |
| 21:48.36 | lcuk | z=pressure ;) |
| 21:48.56 | lardman | right |
| 21:48.56 | crashanddie | how precise is the pressure information ? |
| 21:49.00 | lcuk | now, when ive tried in the past ive been attempting to work with the whole 2d matrix |
| 21:49.30 | lcuk | ~600 to ~100 units from "are you touching me" to "MEDICCCCCCC!" |
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| 21:49.54 | crashanddie | possible to make some kind of scale ? |
| 21:50.00 | crashanddie | Could be useful for those cops in germany |
| 21:50.13 | crashanddie | they could use it to measure how much weed someone's carrying |
| 21:50.14 | lcuk | the data is very scattered - when you press the second finger the weight distribution spreads and you get a data point at the centre of mass |
| 21:50.35 | lcuk | doubt it |
| 21:50.53 | rm_you | yeah but from what i've seen it tends to jump rapidly between the two points |
| 21:51.03 | crashanddie | leave it for a second, look at the screen, it reads "let him walk", next guy, the screen reads "busted, call Fox, we need the Cops crew" |
| 21:51.03 | rm_you | depending on pressure |
| 21:51.13 | lcuk | yes rm - thats the centre of mass shifting |
| 21:51.19 | rm_you | right |
| 21:51.22 | lcuk | it does it with a single finger, but only within a tiny radius |
| 21:52.52 | crashanddie | I'll be back in a small hour, then I'll be heading to bed |
| 21:52.54 | lcuk | im gonna see what i can do tonight to identify it and try a few equations out - but ill build a mini test lab to see it all. if i get nowhere quick simon, would you take a peek and see if you can manage anything? |
| 21:52.56 | crashanddie | cheers if I don't catch ya again |
| 21:53.06 | crashanddie | simon ? |
| 21:53.11 | lcuk | lardman |
| 21:53.14 | crashanddie | oh |
| 21:53.23 | crashanddie | being intimate and everything, are we ? |
| 21:53.37 | crashanddie | lardman, how's your cat ? |
| 21:53.47 | lcuk | somehow seems wrong to call him lardman in public rl, so i got used to simon |
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| 21:53.58 | lardman | sorry, had to go get a spider |
| 21:54.01 | lcuk | especially when lardwoman was there :P |
| 21:54.09 | lcuk | lol |
| 21:54.55 | lardman | sailing close to the wind there! ;D |
| 21:55.13 | lcuk | yer i know lol |
| 21:55.30 | lardman | so does it oscillate between the two points, or somewhere between the two depending on the pressure of your fingers? |
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| 21:56.18 | lcuk | it waves between the two depending upon pressure - and its wildly variant at times |
| 21:56.26 | lardman | I have a horrible feeling that unless you can get people to always tap with the same pressure, you're got too many variables |
| 21:57.31 | lcuk | i can get a rotated eclipse of pressure data - and i think i can know when it expands or contracts |
| 21:57.34 | lardman | how is the pressure measured? If you hold one finger on, then hold another somewhere else, does the pressure measured go down -> is it averaged, or added? |
| 21:57.38 | lcuk | which should be good for maps |
| 21:58.31 | lcuk | you get a data XY at the centrepoint of the 2 fingers (assuming perfect touches) and i believe its lighter pressure but i never looked |
| 21:58.31 | lardman | ah ok, so look at the time history, decide from the random behaviour that it's multi-touch, then look at how the data changes to see whether the fingers are moving together/apart? |
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| 21:58.48 | lcuk | yes - thats how im thinking |
| 21:58.57 | lardman | sounds interesting |
| 21:59.29 | lardman | your widget will need to filter the tap/mousedown events and do its own processing then |
| 21:59.37 | lcuk | ill see if i can give you a testlab |
| 21:59.41 | lcuk | yes |
| 21:59.43 | lardman | will be annoying if you also want to do single taps in that area |
| 21:59.53 | lardman | laggy |
| 21:59.56 | lcuk | but thats ok, the mouse event will simply return single touch |
| 22:00.13 | lcuk | its only once the stroke goes bonnkers do you know its a 2touch |
| 22:00.19 | lardman | yeah, but you'll need to look at the time history to decide if it's single or multi-touch |
| 22:00.49 | lcuk | think of the map - the single touch will just floatmove anyway - like the book reader bit of liqbase grab hold and move document |
| 22:00.56 | lcuk | if you then go bonkers it just zooms |
| 22:01.47 | lcuk | for this device i fear the biggest problem is not technical, but pyhsical - the screen is simply too tacky to use with finger pads |
| 22:02.05 | lcuk | it might need thimbles to work cleanly ;) |
| 22:02.12 | lardman | :) |
| 22:02.24 | lardman | or wait for a multi-touch version to come out... |
| 22:02.28 | lardman | or is it all patented? |
| 22:02.37 | lcuk | i dunno |
| 22:02.44 | lcuk | i wouldnt like an apple screen though |
| 22:02.54 | lardman | res? |
| 22:03.01 | lardman | looks quite nice though |
| 22:03.13 | lcuk | have you tried using a stlus on the apple ipod you have? |
| 22:03.27 | lcuk | could you imagine handwriting or sketching on it? |
| 22:03.50 | lcuk | they have lots of things, but touch on that device is too fat and imprecise |
| 22:04.53 | lardman | ah, ok, I've not tried and I can't find it atm |
| 22:05.04 | lcuk | hehe - you cant even use a fingernail |
| 22:05.10 | lcuk | its the wrong type of touchscreen |
| 22:05.15 | lcuk | or wear gloves ;) |
| 22:05.42 | lcuk | anyway, it was just on my mind - if i get anything setup tonight ill give you a shout tomorrow |
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| 22:06.00 | jott | lcuk: there is most likely a pen that is usable with the iphone touchscreen |
| 22:06.18 | lcuk | yer, ive got a battery powered one for my other tablet |
| 22:06.20 | lardman | lcuk: ok |
| 22:06.39 | lardman | hi jott |
| 22:06.51 | lcuk | back later folks :) |
| 22:07.01 | lardman | night lcuk |
| 22:07.01 | jott | hey lardman how is it going? |
| 22:07.09 | jott | lcuk: bye :) |
| 22:07.14 | lardman | jott: not bad, you? |
| 22:07.18 | lcuk | thanks lardman gnite yourself |
| 22:08.16 | jott | lardman: yeah fine, but should have achieved a bit more today :) |
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| 22:08.43 | jott | http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/product/16691.htm :) |
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| 22:09.15 | lardman | expensive! |
| 22:09.50 | lardman | I had a look at the pdf417 (stacked 1D barcodes) code this morning, it expects a b&w image as input, and it should be aligned correctly |
| 22:09.54 | jott | if you pay your monthly iphone bill you won't notice :P |
| 22:09.57 | RST38h | lardman: according to mac cultists, expensive=holy! |
| 22:10.16 | lardman | jott: ah, ipod touch and it's the gf's |
| 22:10.25 | lardman | RST38h: :) |
| 22:11.02 | RST38h | [and I am NOT joking, once had to argue with some nutcase complimenting Jobs on how nicely and pleasantly He makes him spend money on iPhone services] |
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| 22:14.05 | RST38h | TSA Confiscates Homemade Battery and Water Bottle, Declares Victory Over Terror! |
| 22:14.07 | lardman | and these barcodes differ in size, but from a rough calculation, that needs to be aligned to ~1.4 degrees |
| 22:16.11 | jott | lardman: it would also be nice to have a set of preprocessing filter. |
| 22:16.29 | zap | and plugins, plugins! |
| 22:16.41 | zap | (in Python, of course) |
| 22:17.06 | lardman | plugins would be good, yes, so people can slot in whatever type of handling they want |
| 22:17.35 | lardman | jott: Looking at the datamatrix code it actually follows the edge, this might be the best bet |
| 22:17.45 | lardman | unless I can hold my hand very still |
| 22:18.06 | lardman | and the pre-processing will be the big thing - will look at the 1D code you added to see how to clean up the input data |
| 22:18.24 | jott | i guess the biggest problem is out-of-focus handling. |
| 22:18.35 | jott | the current code just uses a moving average |
| 22:18.50 | lardman | is out of focus that big a thing? The images looked ok to me |
| 22:19.04 | lardman | on n810 this is |
| 22:19.28 | jott | yeah here too.. it's not *much* but given that the bars have a small spacing in the first place... |
| 22:20.17 | lardman | would be painful having to do a sharpen filter on the data though, computationally |
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| 22:20.27 | jott | lardman: yeah :( |
| 22:20.43 | lardman | but, I don't actually know how long it would take, perhaps it wouldn't be so bad |
| 22:20.44 | jott | well i wonder if it would work on 320x240 images. |
| 22:21.23 | jott | because 640x480 sucks alot of cpu. |
| 22:21.27 | jott | (the camera alone) |
| 22:21.39 | lardman | the other thing is to just sharpen the line in question |
| 22:21.56 | lardman | or rather that line using that + ones above & below |
| 22:21.58 | jott | lardman: yeah well i guess we could reduce the number of scanlines alot |
| 22:22.05 | jott | currently every 4th row is taken |
| 22:22.23 | jott | it would probably enough to consider only every 16 rows or so. |
| 22:22.37 | lardman | I don't think 1D is a problem though, it works pretty well and is quick |
| 22:22.45 | jott | and with that it seems reasonable (atleast for the 1d) to apply filters only on the scanline |
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| 22:22.54 | jott | (and some adjacent lines) |
| 22:23.05 | jott | lardman: yeah still could be better ;) |
| 22:23.23 | lardman | was rm_you having troubles because of blurry images or was it something else? |
| 22:23.39 | jott | hm blurry, and curvature |
| 22:23.43 | lardman | jott: leave the optimisation until the rest of the app works I reckon |
| 22:23.54 | lardman | 1D optimisation that is |
| 22:25.24 | lardman | I'll have to have a play with it |
| 22:25.35 | lardman | am feeling a bit left out being away for a week ;) |
| 22:25.51 | jott | still does not really care about anything but ean13 :) |
| 22:26.06 | lardman | wants it to be complete |
| 22:26.25 | lardman | and he also sees quite a few datamatrix & stacked barcodes and wants to know what they say |
| 22:26.35 | jott | hehe |
| 22:26.39 | lardman | so what about ean handling then? |
| 22:26.54 | lardman | there's a database currently? What does it do? Contain lookups? |
| 22:27.16 | jott | lardman: yeah it's the database from upcdatabase.com which contains mostly us/uk products. |
| 22:27.26 | lardman | how large is it? |
| 22:28.34 | lardman | isbn lookup would be simple enough to add, it's easy to calculate |
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| 22:29.00 | lardman | assuming we can find a db, or fallback to the web (which should also happen with the unknown eans) |
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| 22:29.36 | jott | yeah would also be nice to allow manual data entry that can be submitted to upcdatabase |
| 22:29.47 | lardman | true |
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| 22:30.31 | jott | 955377 items are currently in there |
| 22:30.36 | jott | minus a bit of spam ;) |
| 22:30.53 | brontide | This afternoon I was using the camera application and feeding the .jpg's to a QR code webapp |
| 22:30.54 | lardman | then we just need a web guru to write some code to ask Amazon, etc., how much these things cost and their reviews and we'll be just like AndroidScan ;) |
| 22:31.14 | lardman | brontide: how did it work? |
| 22:31.22 | lardman | how well that is |
| 22:31.28 | brontide | I can post one of the images, quite well |
| 22:31.33 | jott | lardman: we could use switch to qt for the gui, this would make everything fairly easy ;) |
| 22:31.55 | lardman | :) |
| 22:32.08 | lardman | Is maemo switching, did I miss something important? |
| 22:32.09 | jott | lardman: python is also fine, kerthan is working on some bindings. |
| 22:32.48 | lardman | yeah python would be good, nice and easy for people to add stuff in |
| 22:33.55 | jott | lardman: in the long term it's not unlikely ... but for now we soon have nice hildonized qt ;) |
| 22:34.10 | lardman | I saw that bit |
| 22:34.22 | lardman | well, makes no odds to me really, as long as it works well |
| 22:34.56 | brontide | http://picasaweb.google.com/ericewarnke/Web/photo?authkey=46QGTgmVhCU#5228939015032733170 |
| 22:35.26 | lardman | one thing we will need to do is work out whether we can run each barcode decoder sequentally until something gets a match, or if that will be too slow and we need to use quick tests to provide hints as to the barcode type |
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| 22:36.11 | lardman | brontide: that's not the image you were trying to decode is it? |
| 22:36.13 | jott | lardman: hm well i guess it will be too slow. it's at 100% cpu already with 640x480 :( |
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| 22:36.26 | brontide | lardman: worked perfectly |
| 22:36.34 | lardman | jott: yeah, but will lots of runs thougth the 1D code |
| 22:36.43 | lardman | brontide: from that, impressive |
| 22:36.47 | brontide | zxing |
| 22:36.51 | brontide | http://zxing.org/w/decode.jspx |
| 22:37.38 | lardman | I'm impressed |
| 22:38.04 | brontide | Yeah, i was surprised as well... although much further back and it started to fail |
| 22:38.09 | jott | hm maybe we should really port zxing to c/c++ :) |
| 22:38.23 | brontide | zxing is already availible for c/c++ |
| 22:38.26 | jott | oh |
| 22:38.29 | brontide | QR codes only though |
| 22:38.38 | jott | ah, ok. still nice. |
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| 22:41.10 | derf | What's with all the Objective C stuff? |
| 22:41.56 | lardman | brontide: is this what you're talking about? http://zxing.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/cpp/core/src/ |
| 22:42.12 | brontide | Yep |
| 22:42.33 | brontide | I believe that's the engine being used on the webpage |
| 22:42.34 | pupnik | lardman - did you see this? http://junk.kegetys.net/mobile_gaming.jpg |
| 22:42.39 | lardman | looks like they do processing to overcome any distortion |
| 22:42.58 | lardman | pupnik: :) |
| 22:43.41 | darkip_ | is there a guide for partitioning the internal memory on the n810 for setting up a dual boot? |
| 22:44.45 | brontide | The other python library I saw also used opencv ( computer vision ) to do cleanup/distortion processing http://www.pedemonte.eu/pyqr/usage.html |
| 22:45.06 | jott | yeah opencv would be another option |
| 22:45.08 | brontide | ( once again QR codes ) |
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| 22:46.17 | lardman | can we just use "extern "C"" and use the library? |
| 22:46.52 | brontide | Oh... and in case you need some more fodder I made a bookmarklet. Just click on the bookmark and the current URL is translated into a QR code http://www.rit.albany.edu/~ew2193/test.html |
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| 22:47.21 | Binky | Hi everyone |
| 22:47.41 | Binky | Does anyone here have notion of apps porti |
| 22:47.50 | Binky | Porting* |
| 22:47.50 | jott | now i only have to see a qr code in rl :) |
| 22:48.23 | Binky | I'll pay for porting TuxGuitar or Jokosher |
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| 22:48.56 | lardman | jott: I seem to remember reading that it was being ported to C++ for Symbian, or something like that |
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| 22:49.23 | jott | lardman: zxing or what are you speaking of? |
| 22:49.48 | lardman | iPhone even; yes zxing |
| 22:50.15 | jott | then that's probably objc ;p |
| 22:50.25 | brontide | Thanks to google generating QR codes is easy http://chart.apis.google.com/chart?chs=360x360&cht=qr&chld=L|0&chl=https%3A//wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2008 |
| 22:50.29 | lardman | http://code.google.com/p/zxing/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions says both |
| 22:51.01 | jott | yeah in the end the actual algorithm shouldnt be that hard to port ;) |
| 22:52.15 | brontide | I think the C/C++ backend is targeted for iPhone ( hence the Obj-C ) |
| 22:53.02 | lardman | porting is boring though |
| 22:53.33 | lardman | but easier than making it up oneself (though not as interesting) |
| 22:53.42 | lardman | anyway, time to hit the sack for me |
| 22:53.43 | jott | yeah when it's only a matter of 30-40 mins its ok. everything longer is annoying ;) |
| 22:53.50 | derf | It's okay, I haven't been doing a strict port. |
| 22:53.58 | Binky | Anyone: will it work on tablets if i compile from source an app for another architecture like x86 |
| 22:54.03 | lardman | derf: as long as it works we'll be happy :) |
| 22:54.05 | derf | Though the zxing QR code support looks heavily based off the qrcodes project. |
| 22:55.01 | lardman | night all |
| 22:56.48 | Blafasel | hrhr.. German (yellow press) TV just talks about "Did we actually land on the moon?" ;-) |
| 22:57.06 | Binky | was looking for an answer |
| 22:57.58 | Blafasel | Binky: If you compile for (the right) arm architecture and the dependencies re in place on the device: Should work |
| 22:58.05 | Binky | Blafasel, in Spain, the NASA anniversary notice took all this week until today |
| 22:59.13 | Binky | Blafasel, i meant to compile for x86... I'll have to look furthr, thank you. |
| 22:59.21 | Blafasel | Binky: Interesting. This TV stuff is kind of supporting the "It never happened" pov. But - well.. TV over here is worse than reading slashdot at -1 ratings.. |
| 23:00.17 | Blafasel | Binky: Compiling for x86 on the tablet? Same thing: Would work (assuming the right and working toolchain, some patience etc.) |
| 23:00.44 | Binky | Here tv instead of black and white is pink and yellow... |
| 23:01.53 | derf | I love how they completely stripped the copyright statement of the old Reed-Solmon coder they stole, then converted it into C++ with tons of dynamic allocation and other overhead, fixed at least one of the bugs, and then introduced more of their own. |
| 23:05.52 | crashanddie | derf, I'm sorry, what are you talking about ? |
| 23:06.00 | crashanddie | derf, what was the source language, C++ ? |
| 23:07.53 | crashanddie | derf, so basically, lemme get this straight. You're bitching because someone took someone else's code, rewrote it in another language with a completely different memory allocation design, and with completely different bugs ? |
| 23:08.37 | crashanddie | I mean, REALLY ? |
| 23:08.55 | crashanddie | I could understand you're whining about copyright infringement if there happened to be the same bugs, or the same design flaws |
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| 23:11.24 | derf | The original source language was C, possibly already translated into Java, depending on where they stole it from. |
| 23:11.31 | derf | But really, that part was just icing on the cake. |
| 23:11.43 | derf | I'm mostly laughing at the amount of effort put into to it to make it worse. |
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| 23:13.21 | crashanddie | well, I'm always very cautious when accusing someone from stealing code |
| 23:13.27 | crashanddie | not that I had to up till now |
| 23:14.30 | derf | crashanddie: Having read both the original C and the Java port, I can assure you this was based on it. |
| 23:14.32 | lcuk | but was the code stolen and used in a closed proprietary app, or into another oss block? at worst the credit can be returned, i don't see it as a big deal |
| 23:14.40 | rm_you | jott / lardman|gone : yeah switching to python /QT would be nice |
| 23:14.47 | lcuk | and slow |
| 23:14.47 | derf | No, it wasn't a big deal, as I said, "Icing on the cake." |
| 23:14.53 | rm_you | and I am planning on doing Amazon web scraping for ISBN/UPC |
| 23:14.54 | crashanddie | lcuk, +1 |
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| 23:15.06 | crashanddie | I don't get the whole python thing, really |
| 23:15.45 | crashanddie | python will go down as one of the dead babies of the geeky boom |
| 23:15.54 | lcuk | i agree that oss code should be attributed, its good practice to respect the shoulders you stand upon |
| 23:16.12 | lcuk | no, python makes it very good to create and modify objects |
| 23:16.17 | lcuk | but some code NEEDS low level |
| 23:16.20 | crashanddie | when prettiness becomes one of the selling arguments of a scripting/programming language, you know some guy got funky on crack |
| 23:16.21 | jott | lcuk: it's not only good practice but a legal issue. |
| 23:16.48 | derf | jott: A lot of people care a lot more about manners than laws. |
| 23:16.55 | lcuk | jott, like i said - put the notice back up |
| 23:17.28 | jott | derf: yeah well it is bad manner AND a copyright infrigment |
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| 23:17.47 | lcuk | although, technically jott - you are right, the author of a GPL app can sue the fraudulant authors of another gpl app |
| 23:18.04 | lcuk | but i wonder whether statutary damages would apply? |
| 23:18.13 | jott | lcuk: it's like copying a commercial binary. |
| 23:18.34 | lcuk | yes, gpl can be commercial |
| 23:18.49 | crashanddie | it's copyright infringement... Be it of a free piece of something or something you pay for shouldn't make any difference |
| 23:19.00 | jott | lcuk: no, stealing code, is like pirating a closed source app. |
| 23:19.08 | jott | that's my point. |
| 23:19.48 | jott | there is no big difference. not even in a legal sense. |
| 23:19.54 | crashanddie | this irc bouncer idea was genius :D |
| 23:20.24 | crashanddie | it's just awesome to have the exact same PMs on my NIT and laptop... No problems with copy/paste :D |
| 23:20.26 | lcuk | ok, agreed jott :) they shouldn't have done it |
| 23:20.50 | crashanddie | lcuk, I just made swapper half less useful :D |
| 23:21.44 | lcuk | :) oh, you are letting everyone logon to the bouncer? |
| 23:22.02 | crashanddie | heh |
| 23:22.20 | crashanddie | no, not quite |
| 23:22.47 | derf | jott: Well, in all honesty, most lawyers evaluate legal issues based on the potential damages. |
| 23:23.11 | derf | And one open source project stealing from another is not likely to amount to much in the way of damages. |
| 23:23.40 | jott | derf: yeah well you won't get millions of dollar probably. |
| 23:23.44 | jott | but you can legally enforce it. |
| 23:23.49 | derf | I mean, it would take a real asshole to even go to court over that. |
| 23:24.17 | derf | And judges aren't generally interested in letting assholes extract their pound of flesh. |
| 23:24.24 | lcuk | depends upon if you want customer sales revenue, but what if you solved problems in your codebase to obtain grants and donations |
| 23:24.52 | jott | derf: why an asshole? i mean when the other guy uses some other license and does not react on friendly emails? |
| 23:24.54 | lcuk | using the code for google soc position |
| 23:25.01 | jott | and you want your code to be gpl.. |
| 23:25.13 | darkip_ | when I try to partition my n810's internal memory when I reboot i'm told the card is corrupted/unformatted, any ideas? |
| 23:25.25 | jott | i can't see why it would be a problem to legally enforce a copyright notice. |
| 23:25.41 | lcuk | this is in part related to gpl 3 now isnt it |
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| 23:25.45 | crashanddie | lcuk, I'd love to, but Freenode doesn't allow many clones, I'd have to walk up to Freenode on behalf of Maemo, don't think anyone's gonna let me do that :P |
| 23:26.18 | lcuk | oh, i thought you had a server with your own cloning/merging |
| 23:26.46 | derf | jott: Well, if the infriger doesn't bother to take any steps when confronted with the infringement, then yeah (in which case they are the asshole). |
| 23:26.57 | lcuk | give us all YOUR account, we can all solve the cut n paste problem, but that may introduce other issues |
| 23:27.14 | derf | But a normal person, when told, "You're infringing my copyright, please fix that or I'll sue you," will add an attribution. |
| 23:27.21 | lcuk | agreed derf, you have spotted something valid, mail them |
| 23:27.35 | jott | derf: well but that's a question of behaviour. |
| 23:28.04 | derf | jott: It's a question of risk. |
| 23:28.17 | jott | derf: why? |
| 23:28.20 | lcuk | has gpl license available in scrolly window in liqbase :) |
| 23:28.25 | derf | It's very easy to strip off a copyright notice, and the risk that that will come back to bite you in any serious way is small. |
| 23:28.42 | derf | At worst, you add the attribution back in. |
| 23:28.54 | crashanddie | lcuk, I'm guessing each one would want one nickname, which still means one single connection to freenode even if it's for multiple guys connecting to my server (the bouncer)... But I dunno how many different nicknames Freenode allows... 2? 5? 10 ? So that's max 10 people I can host |
| 23:29.10 | lcuk | nahhh, we can all be crashanddie for a day |
| 23:29.19 | lcuk | on second thoughts, who would want to be you :P |
| 23:29.24 | crashanddie | exactly |
| 23:29.32 | derf | I suspect this goes on a whole lot more in the open source world than people think. |
| 23:29.37 | crashanddie | I mean... No one can bear this level of perfection :P |
| 23:29.43 | crashanddie | excepted me, of course |
| 23:29.46 | lcuk | derf, and i suspect it doesnt actually matter |
| 23:29.49 | derf | (I suspect it also goes on even more in the proprietary world, but there it's harder to track) |
| 23:30.12 | crashanddie | derf, remember the issue of Microsoft using FOSS in their binaries ? |
| 23:30.16 | jott | derf: well if you change the license it can get a bit more difficult. |
| 23:30.18 | lcuk | its all expanding the gpl universe and a "please be polite" should be sufficient |
| 23:30.29 | derf | crashanddie: And 50 million other small embedded developers. |
| 23:30.41 | derf | lcuk: Yes, this is what I'm saying. |
| 23:30.53 | jott | derf: and it is good manner not to sue anyone without contacting him. |
| 23:31.15 | crashanddie | not without ? |
| 23:31.25 | jott | heh |
| 23:31.25 | crashanddie | so it's good manner to sue someone and contact him ? |
| 23:31.30 | lcuk | or get some of your minions to descend upon their website and borl him over with OTT demands to attribute the author |
| 23:31.36 | jott | crashanddie: :P |
| 23:31.38 | derf | jott: Yes, only an asshole would do that, which was my original point. |
| 23:31.39 | lcuk | bowl^ |
| 23:31.55 | jott | crashanddie: dawn your native tongue :P |
| 23:32.05 | crashanddie | wut ? |
| 23:32.08 | crashanddie | native ? |
| 23:32.15 | lcuk | im vanishing again for a bit :) have code in my head |
| 23:32.23 | jott | derf: and my point is that the asshole is still in the right. |
| 23:32.37 | crashanddie | lcuk, btw, what do you run on ? |
| 23:32.39 | jott | (not making him less an asshole) |
| 23:32.45 | lcuk | what do you mean? |
| 23:32.52 | lcuk | computer wise? |
| 23:32.57 | crashanddie | lcuk, well, you keep having code in your head |
| 23:33.07 | crashanddie | what do you have running in your head ? x86 ? Armel ? SPARC ? |
| 23:33.08 | lcuk | ive had code in my head for years :) |
| 23:33.15 | derf | jott: Yes, but the legal system tends to frown on people who act like that. |
| 23:33.17 | lcuk | natively its 68k |
| 23:33.23 | crashanddie | ouch |
| 23:33.50 | lcuk | not really, 8 data and 8 address regs, a flat memory model |
| 23:33.58 | lcuk | 32bit native |
| 23:34.24 | lcuk | sounds just like the omap :) |
| 23:34.34 | jott | derf: hm? like all the riaa/music industry cases? :P |
| 23:34.36 | pupnik | um, do we have any decent whiteboarding with chat for N8x0? |
| 23:34.53 | derf | jott: Yes, something like that. |
| 23:34.54 | lcuk | pupnik, we will have hopefully soon |
| 23:35.01 | derf | jott: Or the SCO cases. |
| 23:35.15 | lcuk | though, chat might be better using the main keyboard still |
| 23:35.17 | lcuk | or vid |
| 23:35.17 | pupnik | that could be neat lcuk |
| 23:36.05 | lcuk | anyway, back later |
| 23:36.09 | pupnik | cheers |
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