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| 00:09.06 | rm_you | jott: lcuk: I want to get datamatrix working... |
| 00:09.19 | rm_you | so that we can encode links and stuff on our tablets |
| 00:09.30 | rm_you | and then at the summit people can scan the images from people's tablets :P |
| 00:09.36 | rm_you | easy way to share links |
| 00:09.54 | lcuk | cool idea |
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| 00:12.30 | gramulhaozin | hey guys |
| 00:12.44 | gramulhaozin | the N810 USB is host or client ? |
| 00:12.56 | gramulhaozin | can I connect a wireless USB into it ? |
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| 00:14.03 | rm_you | gramulhaozin: it is on-the-go |
| 00:14.07 | rm_you | so it can do host |
| 00:14.49 | gramulhaozin | I'm wondering if I can plug a sierrawireless card into it |
| 00:18.54 | gramulhaozin | rm_you: like an EVDO card |
| 00:19.03 | gramulhaozin | rm_you: or 3g or edge |
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| 00:20.01 | GeneralAntilles | gramulhaozin, if you can find drivers. |
| 00:20.09 | GeneralAntilles | and it'll need a power injector |
| 00:20.33 | gramulhaozin | 5volts right |
| 00:20.44 | gramulhaozin | 5 volts and 1/2 amps |
| 00:22.14 | gramulhaozin | a little 5V LI-Poly batter would work |
| 00:23.24 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody set up video chat with their tablet, make yourself a hard hat and attach it to it so I can attend the Summit. |
| 00:24.55 | gramulhaozin | there is linux support for the thing |
| 00:25.08 | gramulhaozin | ATT sells plan for PDA for 30 Bucks |
| 00:25.27 | gramulhaozin | can I get a GSM SIM from PDA and plug into a card and play ? |
| 00:26.29 | *** topic/#maemo by GeneralAntilles -> Sprint review @ 1900 UTC 7/22 in #maemo-meeting bugs.maemo.org meeting after the sprint | http://maemo.org | Maemo Summit: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | Create the new maemo.org logo: https://wiki.maemo.org/maemo.org_logo_contest | logs at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ | http://mxr.maemo.org |
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| 00:44.05 | summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: Sprint review? what does that mean? |
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| 02:15.55 | crashanddie | Haha |
| 02:16.13 | crashanddie | I can launch websites on the NIT my console on my laptop :) |
| 02:18.52 | crashanddie | http://slexy.org/view/s2cs8TPVoA |
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| 02:52.13 | skibur | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiYbQfDhGKg |
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| 03:01.59 | UserID10T | Hey folks. Could someone help me with some questions about the advanced backlight statusbar applet? |
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| 04:29.22 | GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis: https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint3 |
| 04:33.49 | ttmrichter | OK, I've finally got around to installing the Maemo SDK. Am I missing something or is the environment entirely missing all the apps that my own apps may want to wind up interacting with? |
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| 04:52.01 | rm_you | UserID10T: what you need? |
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| 06:02.54 | Stskeeps | anyone with a 770 who can answer http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22164 ? i'm personally a bit curious about -sources.tar.gz ;) |
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| 06:04.39 | rm_you | UserID10T: yo |
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| 06:08.52 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, that'd really be a Nokia question. I've never seen a straight answer to that. Basically, it should be a collection of patches and scripts for turning OS2008+OS2006 into OS2008HE, but I don't know of anybody outside of Nokia who has managed to apply them |
| 06:09.03 | GAN800 | They basically come with zero documentation. |
| 06:09.48 | Stskeeps | GAN800: well, there's both patches and -sources, and the last one is curious :P |
| 06:10.29 | Stskeeps | i guess i'm just too excited cos i just got my morning coffee ;) |
| 06:10.40 | GAN800 | If you want a WLAN to grab them for nit-debian, I can furnish you with something. |
| 06:12.00 | Stskeeps | mm, might be interested, and just hoping it's not closed source stuff in it as that'd taint me :P |
| 06:13.29 | johnx | Stskeeps, yeah, I was just gonna say the same thing :/ |
| 06:13.49 | Stskeeps | mostly curious because of differences between n770 and n800 |
| 06:14.03 | Stskeeps | johnx: saw my messages last night? |
| 06:14.08 | johnx | yup |
| 06:14.54 | Stskeeps | and this one? ;) NIT-Debian, Flash, http://rafb.net/p/wI5uCi52.html and http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian-fullscreenflash.jpg (done with import -window root nit-debian-fullscreenflash.jpg) |
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| 06:15.22 | Stskeeps | which leads to a -lot- of interesting possibilities |
| 06:15.44 | johnx | a flash based UI for you? :) |
| 06:15.54 | Stskeeps | well for anyone who want to implement it |
| 06:16.31 | Stskeeps | to make a UI it's a matter of getting cherrypy (python based webserver), slap a flash on top that uses json to communicate with the backend cherrypy, and a gtkmozembed script :P |
| 06:16.40 | Stskeeps | it's actually fairly fast loading |
| 06:17.00 | johnx | that's pretty cool |
| 06:17.05 | johnx | how's the responsiveness? |
| 06:17.32 | Stskeeps | well i only had lame .swfs to test with, but haven't seen any simple flash things |
| 06:17.53 | Stskeeps | the one i had in browser was okay in responsiveness, but it was prolly slowed down by having entire of ephihany loaded |
| 06:18.34 | johnx | a pixel doubled 400x240 flash UI might be neat for some applications |
| 06:20.37 | Stskeeps | but i have the hack down to having a package Provides: osso-esd (which depends on a real esd), apt-get install libcurl3 libosso1, dpkg -i adobe-flashplayer, dpkg -i libplayback, and a LD_PRELOAD of libesd and my 'fakehildon.so' |
| 06:20.42 | Stskeeps | so it's fairly packagable |
| 06:21.02 | Stskeeps | if i can find something to inject a library dependancy into a .so we could avoid LD_PRELOAD |
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| 06:26.27 | doc|home | anyone know why mpcc still isn't working? |
| 06:27.04 | GAN800 | mmpc? |
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| 06:27.17 | doc|home | er, possibly :/ |
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| 06:27.34 | GAN800 | qwerty12, interviewed? :P |
| 06:27.35 | doc|home | yes |
| 06:27.41 | doc|home | mmpc |
| 06:28.01 | qwerty12 | GAN800: Yep :/ |
| 06:28.39 | qwerty12 | I'm not much of a speaker though... |
| 06:29.09 | GAN800 | Ha, Skype interview? |
| 06:29.44 | qwerty12 | He wanted me to do an podcast, I was too tired and would prefer to do an Q&A |
| 06:30.25 | GAN800 | Hehe |
| 06:30.44 | GAN800 | Not being Quim, the rest of us fail at 'live' interviews. :D |
| 06:30.54 | qwerty12 | Lol :D |
| 06:31.21 | qwerty12 | If someone was to live interview me right now, all they would hear was mumbles. |
| 06:31.23 | Stskeeps | irc interviews are much better |
| 06:31.23 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 06:31.29 | qwerty12 | <-- Too tired >.< |
| 06:31.32 | Stskeeps | voice is overrated ;) |
| 06:32.13 | GAN800 | Voice is alright, but better left to people with experience with it. |
| 06:32.54 | XTLi | On both sides |
| 06:33.38 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Please fix the the backspace key in the installer! It sends a ^@ symbol instead, I was up to the root password part (which it took me a long time to get to) and I made a mistake and I couldn't go back to change it so I thought I would get the option to set it again and I didn't. The chroot failed and the installer kicked me out :( |
| 06:33.42 | XTLi | You can rarely get away from it, though |
| 06:34.24 | XTLi | That is a funny bs |
| 06:34.26 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: root password? then system is almost installed |
| 06:35.12 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: just chroot /mnt/nit-debian, passwd root, mv /sbin/start-stop-daemon /sbin/start-stop-daemon.FAKE; mv /sbin/start-stop-daemon.REAL /sbin/start-stop-daemon |
| 06:35.17 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: I messed it up though. I'm not sure what was to be done next so I reformatted the partition :/ |
| 06:35.20 | Stskeeps | oki |
| 06:35.31 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: what TERM do you have? |
| 06:35.38 | Stskeeps | i think it's a screen issue so :P |
| 06:35.39 | XTLi | Funny way to say NUL? |
| 06:36.00 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: I'm using the osso-xterm that comes with Diablo. |
| 06:36.39 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: ah, still tampering with not over ssh :) |
| 06:36.46 | Stskeeps | i'll see what i can do |
| 06:37.25 | qwerty12 | :), thanks, I can't ssh into my device so ssh is out for me. Meanwhile, I'll grab that terminal KotCzarny built with xvkbd. |
| 06:37.48 | Stskeeps | could you do a "set | grep TERM" in osso-xterm and tell me what it says? |
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| 06:38.53 | qwerty12 | COLORTERM='Terminal' |
| 06:38.54 | qwerty12 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:38.57 | XTLi | Maybe echo $TERM |
| 06:39.09 | Stskeeps | k |
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| 06:42.58 | Stskeeps | neat, searching for ^@ on google groups causes a server error |
| 06:47.26 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/screen/+bug/29787 |
| 06:47.56 | Stskeeps | could you see if "and make sure "stty erase ^?" is set for the terminal" would work? |
| 06:48.29 | Stskeeps | or nevermind, i'll just grab svn and add the screenrc patch :P |
| 06:49.39 | qwerty12 | That's even nicer :P. BTW, I know I'm complaining a lot but I really appreciate your work into this. |
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| 06:52.07 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: hey, software has bugs and if there's bugs reported, it only means people cared enough about the product to do it :P |
| 06:52.28 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: svn up, and screen -c template-screenrc, and try to run passwd or the likes and see if backspace works now |
| 06:53.18 | qwerty12 | Great, grabbing now. |
| 06:53.36 | Stskeeps | screen -c won't run an installer, just a sh session to see if it happens again :P |
| 06:57.12 | qwerty12 | I'm 80% sure it didn't work and when I tried testing again, mce restarted the device :/ |
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| 06:59.14 | qwerty12 | No, password says the passwords I enter do not match. |
| 06:59.20 | qwerty12 | *passwd |
| 06:59.32 | Stskeeps | k, so i guess fix didn't work, hmm. |
| 07:00.09 | Stskeeps | did you have backspace problems when entering mirror? |
| 07:00.22 | qwerty12 | Yeah |
| 07:01.22 | Stskeeps | hmm |
| 07:01.38 | qwerty12 | Gtg now, bye |
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| 07:02.33 | Stskeeps | guess i'll have to mess around with osso-xterm when i get home :> |
| 07:04.55 | XTLi | It's not the brightest term around |
| 07:06.19 | XTLi | If you run stty, is erase set to something funny? |
| 07:06.52 | rm_you | i'm not sure that i like my new sleep schedule >_> |
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| 07:09.17 | johnx | hey rm_you |
| 07:09.22 | johnx | rm_you, why not? |
| 07:09.25 | rm_you | :P |
| 07:11.48 | jott | rm_you: http://xkcd.com/448/ so where are you now? ;) |
| 07:12.06 | rm_you | lol |
| 07:12.13 | rm_you | problem is, i'm going to sleep now |
| 07:13.25 | jott | rm_you: don't be too sure about that yet ;) |
| 07:13.45 | rm_you | gah |
| 07:13.47 | rm_you | whats up? :P |
| 07:13.52 | jott | plays the riddler.. muhahaha |
| 07:14.04 | rm_you | jott: so, trying to figure out why this isn't working with anyone ELSE's tablet |
| 07:14.06 | rm_you | grrs |
| 07:14.18 | rm_you | no one else can get names of items to come up |
| 07:14.22 | rm_you | makes no sense |
| 07:14.26 | rm_you | works perfect on mine |
| 07:14.46 | rm_you | what version of libsqlite3-0 are you on? |
| 07:14.50 | jott | maybe you have a different sql database or sqlite version indeed .. |
| 07:15.07 | rm_you | hrm |
| 07:15.17 | jott | Installed: 3.4.1-1osso3 |
| 07:15.37 | jott | though it would be mindf*cked if the minor version would matter :/ |
| 07:15.49 | rm_you | using 3.5.9 here |
| 07:16.32 | jott | why not use the official one? |
| 07:16.38 | rm_you | dunno >_> |
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| 07:16.40 | rm_you | will switch back |
| 07:16.42 | rm_you | OH yeah |
| 07:16.48 | rm_you | i needed sqlite3 to make the DB |
| 07:17.02 | rm_you | and for some reason the official one just straight up REFUSED to build the main package |
| 07:17.05 | rm_you | with the utilities |
| 07:17.24 | jott | you could always write a mini client .. :P |
| 07:17.30 | rm_you | lol |
| 07:17.32 | rm_you | sec |
| 07:17.41 | rm_you | need to grab the official one |
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| 07:18.16 | Khertan_TheReal | Hi ! |
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| 07:19.02 | rm_you | yep wow |
| 07:19.09 | rm_you | it's the version of the lib |
| 07:19.12 | rm_you | gah |
| 07:19.13 | rm_you | fixing |
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| 07:22.03 | Khertan_TheReal | someone have see ubuntu ume first release ? |
| 07:22.20 | Khertan_TheReal | does there is a pim ? |
| 07:22.26 | Khertan_TheReal | calendar specially ? |
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| 07:26.12 | rm_you | hrm |
| 07:26.43 | rm_you | jott: great... |
| 07:27.14 | rm_you | i think the db is broken |
| 07:27.22 | rm_you | in 3.4.1 |
| 07:27.25 | rm_you | >_> |
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| 07:27.45 | jott | rm_you: oO |
| 07:29.12 | rm_you | stupid... |
| 07:29.17 | jott | indeed |
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| 07:30.18 | rm_you | oops forgot to add the .h |
| 07:30.22 | rm_you | checked in properly now :P |
| 07:30.25 | rm_you | lol |
| 07:30.26 | jott | http://www.sqlite.org/formatchng.html mh ;) |
| 07:30.58 | rm_you | you and your "mh" |
| 07:31.16 | jott | "The previous file format change has caused so much grief that the default behavior has been changed back to the original file format. " ;) |
| 07:31.55 | rm_you | damnit |
| 07:32.44 | jott | still it should work.. this change as before 3.4 :/ |
| 07:33.05 | jott | 3.4.2 to 3.5.0 -> The on-disk file format is unchanged. |
| 07:33.14 | jott | hah but it does not say 3.4.1 -> 3.5.0 ;> |
| 07:33.29 | rm_you | ...... |
| 07:33.32 | rm_you | this is stupid |
| 07:33.57 | rm_you | i'd go back to 2.8 if the API wasnt horribly undocumented and lame |
| 07:34.19 | rm_you | and i'd just convert the DB if there was a buildable version of sqlite for 3.4.1 |
| 07:34.19 | bef0rd | can't you 'export' it to sql sentences and then create it again with 3.4.1? |
| 07:34.22 | XTLi | :) |
| 07:34.26 | bef0rd | oh :P |
| 07:34.36 | rm_you | IT'S RIDICULOUS |
| 07:34.37 | rm_you | WHY |
| 07:34.47 | rm_you | WHY DOESN'T 3.4.1 INCLUDE THE MAIN UTILITY PACKAGE |
| 07:34.50 | rm_you | WHYYYYYYYY |
| 07:34.55 | XTLi | .dump exports |
| 07:35.03 | rm_you | and what will import it!? |
| 07:35.05 | rm_you | >_< |
| 07:35.32 | XTLi | Just running the output, which is SQL imports |
| 07:35.50 | XTLi | But without access.. :) |
| 07:36.48 | XTLi | You can't get to any tool or api that would let you run arbitrary statements? |
| 07:38.05 | rm_you | hrm |
| 07:38.09 | rm_you | working on it |
| 07:38.15 | jott | or just add the sqlite3 package description to the 3.4.1 control file? ;) |
| 07:39.22 | XTLi | I don't actually know what you're doing anyway :) |
| 07:40.29 | jott | cursing that 3.4.1 sqlite databases seem to be incompatible to 3.5.9 ones :) |
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| 07:42.51 | rm_you | jott: it is in there |
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| 07:43.02 | jott | rm_you: no |
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| 07:43.20 | rm_you | jott: it so totally is :P well, in mine |
| 07:43.23 | rm_you | i tried messing with it |
| 07:43.25 | jott | atleast not in the osso one |
| 07:43.33 | bef0rd | why does rm_you have 3.5.9? |
| 07:43.33 | jott | from diablo sources |
| 07:43.38 | rm_you | yep |
| 07:43.43 | jott | it just build the sqlite3 package |
| 07:43.43 | rm_you | bef0rd: i built it myself |
| 07:44.03 | jott | bef0rd: because the nokia folks removed the sqlite3 standalone from the control file :p |
| 07:44.15 | jott | and hence it's not build.. |
| 07:44.31 | acydlord | my touchscreen isnt working anymore :( |
| 07:44.37 | acydlord | doesnt even make the tick when you press it |
| 07:45.07 | jott | disabled the tick |
| 07:45.33 | acydlord | hah, then re-enable the touch :p |
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| 07:47.22 | jott | i just wanted to say, that the tick is not an indication for a working touchscreen ... :/ |
| 07:48.12 | Khertan_TheReal | acydlord > check there is nothing blocked between the screen and the cover |
| 07:48.26 | acydlord | northing in there |
| 07:48.33 | acydlord | at least not that i can see |
| 07:48.33 | jott | reboot? :) |
| 07:48.42 | acydlord | reboot and reflash didnt fix |
| 07:48.51 | bef0rd | ouch |
| 07:49.13 | jott | mh :( |
| 07:49.22 | Khertan_TheReal | because as it not multitouch if something is pressing the screen between the plastique cover and the screen, user feel that the touch screen is defective |
| 07:49.53 | Khertan_TheReal | also remove screen protector if you have one |
| 07:49.57 | acydlord | i looked down in there and didnt see anything |
| 07:50.02 | acydlord | no screen protector |
| 07:50.05 | Khertan_TheReal | hum too bad |
| 07:50.12 | acydlord | anyway to pull the front face off to make sure? |
| 07:50.28 | Khertan_TheReal | oh ... |
| 07:50.42 | Khertan_TheReal | wifi at home drop ... |
| 07:50.53 | acydlord | it's an n810 |
| 07:51.03 | jott | acydlord: hm not that easy .. |
| 07:51.05 | acydlord | at least on the 880 i could pull the front cover off |
| 07:51.20 | XTLi | Would be useful tosee if the screen is registering anything |
| 07:51.38 | acydlord | i was gonna try to pull everything apart to make sure something didnt come loose but didnt get too fa |
| 07:52.00 | Khertan_TheReal | hum ... if it s a n810 ... waranty should cover this |
| 07:52.04 | acydlord | the screen was resgistering touches off and on for the past 2 days, and then about 2 hours ago it just stopped altogether |
| 07:52.12 | Khertan_TheReal | as n810 is less 1 year old |
| 07:52.22 | jott | rm_you: http://outpo.st/sqlite3_3.4.1-1osso3_armel.deb works here |
| 07:52.39 | acydlord | yeah |
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| 07:52.46 | rm_you | k |
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| 07:52.56 | jott | acydlord: and i would not open it as long as you have warranty ... |
| 07:53.00 | acydlord | but from what i've heard about the nokia repairs i may be dead by the time i get it back |
| 07:53.10 | Khertan_TheReal | great thing that there is a 2 year warranty |
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| 07:53.30 | Khertan_TheReal | acydlord > it take 2 weeks to get mine come back |
| 07:54.03 | acydlord | I have a feeling it's something to do with the cable from the keyboard sliding |
| 07:54.11 | jott | acydlord: maybe also check with a local nokia store.. if they can fix it inhouse you can make better pressure |
| 07:54.11 | acydlord | 2 weeks isnt too terribly bad |
| 07:54.24 | acydlord | i dont think i have a local nokia store |
| 07:54.29 | acydlord | guess i should check |
| 07:54.48 | XTLi | Laggy :( |
| 07:56.12 | acydlord | from looking at the itt forums it seems to be a common issue =/ |
| 07:56.22 | Khertan_TheReal | acydlord > call nokia support, they will give you the nearest one |
| 07:56.42 | acydlord | i thought there was only one nokia store in the states |
| 07:56.49 | Khertan_TheReal | ? |
| 07:57.18 | acydlord | when i was looking online awhile back they only had newyork listed |
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| 07:59.12 | Khertan_TheReal | repair center can be a store that isn't nokia one |
| 07:59.21 | Khertan_TheReal | they just send it |
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| 07:59.34 | Khertan_TheReal | this was the case for me |
| 07:59.53 | acydlord | AHH |
| 08:00.15 | johnx | now I'm worried about my touch screen :( |
| 08:00.32 | acydlord | CRAP, THE NOKIA SITE SAYS TO SEND A PROOF OF PURCHASE? |
| 08:00.37 | acydlord | eep sorry aboot the caps |
| 08:00.45 | johnx | understandable |
| 08:00.51 | johnx | I'm in the same situation... |
| 08:01.48 | acydlord | i hope they dont absolutely require the proof of purchase, i lost all that mess moving |
| 08:01.57 | acydlord | this makes me wish i handt sold my 800 |
| 08:04.37 | jku | acydlord, they don't in Finland at least |
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| 08:06.38 | macoute | in finland you hardly ever need a proof of purchase with nokias |
| 08:06.52 | macoute | and with n810 you really shouldnt, as its not as old yet :) |
| 08:07.15 | Khertan_TheReal | same thing in france |
| 08:07.57 | Khertan_TheReal | but if u buy it online, you can also ask for a duplicata |
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| 08:09.16 | acydlord | I bought it online, but the online store nokia used for the developers discounts sucks |
| 08:10.16 | acydlord | the nokia site really isnt friendly to IT owners |
| 08:10.20 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:10.29 | acydlord | the repair thing first tells me to contact my service provider |
| 08:11.20 | rm_you | they should give developers special warranty services :P |
| 08:11.37 | Veggen | mmm. I like n810, but the phone bill will be high :) |
| 08:11.59 | Veggen | <---on vacation in ital. |
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| 08:12.28 | acydlord | they should, but it seems the main arm of nokia is oblivious to the tablets |
| 08:12.52 | johnx | I think it's kind of a pilot project at this point |
| 08:13.25 | johnx | I wonder how it was when Nokia was first getting into mobile phones... |
| 08:13.33 | acydlord | i cant even get the repair taken care of without calling |
| 08:13.41 | acydlord | it requires a carrier and the cell number |
| 08:13.51 | johnx | heh |
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| 08:15.45 | XTLi | And when you call, they tell you to reinstakk windows, their software and see if it works |
| 08:16.04 | XTLi | Then tell you that version isn't supported |
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| 08:16.15 | rm_you | jott: wtf |
| 08:16.23 | rm_you | jott: ok now i am getting the same as you, no names |
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| 08:16.52 | X-Fade | morning |
| 08:17.09 | rm_you | nm |
| 08:17.10 | rm_you | working |
| 08:17.19 | rm_you | just found ONE barcode that does ODD things |
| 08:18.38 | rm_you | jott: anyway, you can try it now, new DB |
| 08:18.44 | acydlord | man, i'm gonna be stuck using my centro for awhile if i have to ship my n810 out for repairs |
| 08:19.16 | Khertan_TheReal | hehe |
| 08:19.23 | Khertan_TheReal | Palm Powa ... |
| 08:19.29 | acydlord | yeah |
| 08:19.46 | acydlord | i hope they get the treo 800 palm version out before christmas |
| 08:20.14 | Khertan_TheReal | hum ... personnaly i ll never buy palm product |
| 08:20.15 | Khertan_TheReal | :) |
| 08:20.28 | acydlord | why is that? |
| 08:20.31 | johnx | heh...saw a 16MB clie for $30 used at a local store...almost looked like it would be worth it to play with |
| 08:20.54 | Khertan_TheReal | i was a fanboy in the past ... but they re api tend to be more and more ridiculous |
| 08:21.32 | johnx | yeah, from a development perspective I would stay the heck away. but they're nice from a user perspective for some things |
| 08:21.35 | acydlord | i mainly got mine for all the dirty hacks you can do |
| 08:22.04 | acydlord | like circumventing sprint's 5gb a month PAM cap |
| 08:22.04 | rm_you | jott: http://www.ageofikon.info/upc3.db.bz2 |
| 08:22.09 | rm_you | same filename (meh) new DB |
| 08:22.10 | Khertan_TheReal | example : to set the home button to launch an application there is a way to do this with api, but there is a new function incompatible with the old each time a new device is released |
| 08:22.14 | rm_you | should work now |
| 08:22.16 | rm_you | test? |
| 08:22.29 | Khertan_TheReal | for treo680, there is two ... |
| 08:23.45 | Khertan_TheReal | it s a real pain to use network socket for example |
| 08:23.58 | acydlord | mourns his N810 touchscreen |
| 08:24.12 | Khertan_TheReal | as library isn't the same for all device, and isn't documented for all device |
| 08:24.22 | acydlord | yeah, i gave up on coding for palm awhile back |
| 08:24.36 | Khertan_TheReal | i ve pass many time to make kMeteo working on many device |
| 08:24.36 | acydlord | i dont even use it for much more than email and as a modem to be honest |
| 08:25.01 | acydlord | i'm using kmeteo on my centro :) |
| 08:25.04 | Khertan_TheReal | :) |
| 08:25.18 | Khertan_TheReal | i ve writted my own library |
| 08:25.23 | johnx | rm_you, will test in a sec |
| 08:25.36 | acydlord | haha, and tis whole time i didnt notice it was one of your apps |
| 08:25.45 | acydlord | i should look at the about pages more often |
| 08:25.49 | Khertan_TheReal | :) |
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| 08:25.54 | Khertan_TheReal | and it s open source |
| 08:25.55 | Khertan_TheReal | :) |
| 08:26.15 | acydlord | it's the best weather app i've found for palm |
| 08:26.31 | acydlord | anywho i've got to get to bed, gotta be up for work in 5 hours |
| 08:27.57 | Khertan_TheReal | thanks |
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| 08:39.34 | rm_you | :) |
| 08:39.40 | bef0rd | ;_; |
| 08:40.11 | johnx | grabs upc3 |
| 08:40.23 | bef0rd | did you get the db to work with 3.4.1 rm_you ? |
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| 08:40.43 | rm_you | bef0rd: yes |
| 08:41.02 | bef0rd | cool. What was it for? :P |
| 08:41.07 | Stskeeps | johnx: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22164 , guess that explains what it is :) (fanoush's post) |
| 08:41.08 | rm_you | jot managed to strangehold the control file into coughing up the utility package |
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| 08:41.28 | rm_you | bef0rd: barcode scanner |
| 08:42.10 | johnx | Stskeeps, think it's safe for people to look at that stuff? |
| 08:42.31 | johnx | rm_you, ok, so I have the .db |
| 08:42.37 | johnx | where should I get the program? |
| 08:42.51 | Stskeeps | johnx: not a single bit |
| 08:43.00 | Stskeeps | well, mce is already "out there" |
| 08:44.04 | johnx | <sarvasm>great. Nothing quite like a release of source that has more potential to cause harm than good.</sarcasm> |
| 08:44.41 | Stskeeps | yeah.. there should be a law that once a source has leaked from official company page, it's public domain ;) |
| 08:47.06 | Stskeeps | god, i love my regen_repo script |
| 08:47.09 | Stskeeps | saves so much bloody time |
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| 08:51.13 | Stskeeps | woo, http://rafb.net/p/KWZidu60.html :) |
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| 08:53.59 | johnx | slick |
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| 08:57.55 | Stskeeps | johnx: is license on http://trac.tspre.org/projects/nit-debian#License okay for you? since i include a bunch of your hacks :P |
| 08:59.04 | johnx | hmm, I wonder what Debian's policy is with regards to using the Debian name to promote Debian derivatives |
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| 08:59.51 | Stskeeps | that's a good question |
| 09:00.09 | Stskeeps | else we'll just call it something else :P |
| 09:01.25 | Stskeeps | but then any of the projects around the tablets with Debian have issues, even the chroot ones ;) |
| 09:01.54 | macoute | so not GPL? |
| 09:02.16 | macoute | i doubt Debians name can be used in "closed" projects? |
| 09:02.58 | rm_you | johnx: http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/maemo-barcode |
| 09:03.09 | johnx | macoute, it's essentially the BSD license unless I'm mistaken |
| 09:03.15 | macoute | well, your license seems ok |
| 09:03.17 | johnx | the BSD license is GPL compatible |
| 09:03.25 | macoute | johnx: yeah, i just read it :) |
| 09:03.32 | johnx | ah, ok |
| 09:03.34 | Stskeeps | johnx: it is the bsd license :P |
| 09:03.39 | macoute | johnx: but is your version of bsd gpl compatible? |
| 09:03.50 | macoute | theres no saying "BSD License version xxx" |
| 09:04.06 | macoute | so its not BSD, althought it "is" BSD |
| 09:04.08 | johnx | was the advertisement clause a problem? I forgot... |
| 09:04.19 | Stskeeps | yeah, it was |
| 09:04.22 | Stskeeps | but there's none in this one |
| 09:04.28 | Stskeeps | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_license |
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| 09:04.45 | johnx | macoute, since the BSD license allows you to re-publish under the GPL, it's de-facto GPL compatible |
| 09:05.32 | macoute | johnx: yeah, BSD is, but no-one is sure that is your version of BSD |
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| 09:06.01 | macoute | johnx: as your license is not BSD (as there is no mention of BSD anywhere on your license) |
| 09:06.22 | macoute | but that surely looks like a nice project :) |
| 09:06.29 | macoute | i havent had the time to test myself yet |
| 09:06.30 | johnx | macoute, ok, read the license. it clearly says you're allowed to do pretty much anything, including relicense |
| 09:06.34 | Stskeeps | macoute: http://www.opensource.org/licenses/bsd-license.php |
| 09:06.34 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:06.50 | Stskeeps | basically same license, so |
| 09:07.26 | macoute | yeah, i remembered incorrectly |
| 09:07.34 | macoute | theres no mention of BSD in BSD license either :) |
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| 09:08.04 | johnx | Stskeeps, yes, the BSD license sounds fine |
| 09:08.23 | Stskeeps | johnx: goodie |
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| 09:09.40 | johnx | Stskeeps, the debian.org trademark page seems to have the answer: We allow all businesses to make reasonable use of the "Debian" trademark. |
| 09:09.47 | johnx | more here: http://www.debian.org/trademark |
| 09:09.52 | johnx | so it seems like we're fine |
| 09:10.40 | macoute | it doesnt |
| 09:10.44 | macoute | i was reading the same page |
| 09:10.50 | macoute | Licensing is necessary any time anyone creates a company, product or set of services, certification program, or even a separate free software project that wants use the DEBIAN mark as part of its name. |
| 09:10.57 | macoute | so you are using debian in the name? |
| 09:11.23 | macoute | hmm, this is not the same page im reading, this is a draft. maybe that has changed? |
| 09:11.35 | johnx | I figured we were covered since it said it was ok to make a CD and call it Debian |
| 09:11.44 | johnx | the page I linked is the current policy |
| 09:12.21 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 09:12.23 | macoute | johnx: it is ok to make a cd and call it debian if IT IS A debian :) |
| 09:12.30 | Stskeeps | it is a debian, really |
| 09:12.33 | Stskeeps | with packages on top |
| 09:12.34 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:12.35 | macoute | but if you modify it it is not ok |
| 09:12.42 | Stskeeps | we don't touch any of the base packages |
| 09:12.45 | macoute | http://wiki.mako.cc/TrademarkFreedom |
| 09:13.00 | macoute | this is the draft (which is linked on johnx's pasted site) |
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| 09:13.30 | macoute | the copyright is not ready yet, though already registered |
| 09:13.57 | Stskeeps | if there starts being problems it'll be a matter of sedding and renaming :P |
| 09:14.08 | macoute | thats true too :) |
| 09:14.20 | Stskeeps | we don't use it in our domain name, for instance |
| 09:14.34 | johnx | and we do use their debootstrap |
| 09:14.40 | Stskeeps | and i kinda don't want another fight with debian-legal |
| 09:14.43 | Stskeeps | that was a fun time. |
| 09:14.44 | macoute | but id ask from debian, as thats a way to give some credit for debian too |
| 09:15.06 | macoute | and im pretty sure they would allow the use of debian name |
| 09:15.09 | macoute | if asked |
| 09:15.11 | Stskeeps | we'd just call it "Debbie NITs" |
| 09:15.11 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:15.55 | macoute | as the main goal for the debian copyright is to be as free as possible, only to protect debian trademark from any harm done |
| 09:16.25 | johnx | let's call it good for now. :) |
| 09:16.28 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 09:16.47 | macoute | :) |
| 09:16.57 | hrw | morning |
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| 09:29.57 | johnx | rm_you, awesome sauce! |
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| 09:32.54 | johnx | rm_you, yeah, lighting is definitely the key |
| 09:33.13 | johnx | it's finding codes but no successful lookups yet |
| 09:33.19 | johnx | just "unknown unknown" |
| 09:33.27 | johnx | that's not entirely surprising though... |
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| 09:38.31 | jott | johnx: yeah the db is a bit us/uk specific |
| 09:38.37 | johnx | heh |
| 09:38.48 | johnx | I got one of them to send me an SQL error |
| 09:39.01 | johnx | I like the idea of running buffer overflow exploits on barcode readers :) |
| 09:39.06 | jott | haha |
| 09:39.45 | jott | ean14 would cause alot of buffer overflows in my code :) |
| 09:40.13 | johnx | the barcode in question is: 4988602135084 |
| 09:40.16 | XTLi | Next step: rfid |
| 09:40.29 | Khertan_TheReal | johnx > lol this could be fun :) |
| 09:40.47 | Khertan_TheReal | maybe we can look to integrate an exploit |
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| 09:41.04 | Khertan_TheReal | with simple command line ... rm -rf :) |
| 09:42.17 | jott | johnx: you can submit codes at upcdatabase.com so the next db contains your items ;) |
| 09:43.36 | johnx | I'd like to see a "search for this string with google" |
| 09:43.42 | Khertan_TheReal | does tabletschool don't accept any comment ? or just mine ? |
| 09:44.23 | Khertan_TheReal | johnx > add to mcalendar this event ... could be cool too :) |
| 09:44.58 | johnx | Khertan_TheReal, does mcalendar listen for dbus messages? |
| 09:45.05 | Khertan_TheReal | no :) |
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| 09:45.14 | Khertan_TheReal | maybe i should implement it |
| 09:45.22 | Khertan_TheReal | this could not be very hard ... |
| 09:45.27 | Khertan_TheReal | specially in python |
| 09:45.46 | Khertan_TheReal | but at this time i don't see any interest ... :) |
| 09:48.32 | rm_you | johnx: if we get datamatrix working, we can do that |
| 09:48.40 | rm_you | encode urls / arbitrary text into barcodes |
| 09:48.44 | rm_you | will be awesome |
| 09:48.54 | rm_you | can make links as barcodes and print them and stick them to thing |
| 09:48.58 | rm_you | and scan them with n800 :P |
| 09:49.14 | rm_you | or just display text as barcodes on our n800 and have other n800s scan them :P |
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| 09:57.22 | Khertan_TheReal | rm_you > with the webcam ? |
| 09:57.50 | rm_you | yes |
| 09:58.12 | Khertan_TheReal | someone have try ubuntu ume first release ? do u know what pim they use ? |
| 09:58.21 | lcuk | ~lart tosspot cow orkers |
| 09:58.21 | infobot | drops a truckload of VAXen on tosspot cow orkers |
| 09:58.45 | rm_you | kills the tauren orkers |
| 09:59.59 | rm_you | johnx: SQL errors are normal I think? it means the resultset was zero rows... i think. maybe. |
| 10:00.05 | rm_you | <_< |
| 10:00.09 | rm_you | i should go back and read my own code |
| 10:00.10 | lcuk | i have such a stream of not very nice language i could spout towards a certain individual :) |
| 10:00.11 | johnx | rm_you, ok |
| 10:00.13 | johnx | just sayin' |
| 10:00.18 | rm_you | :P |
| 10:00.27 | rm_you | try scanning some of these on the screen |
| 10:00.43 | rm_you | http://www.upcdatabase.com/random_item.asp |
| 10:01.05 | lcuk | nooooo, the random item is not very worksafe |
| 10:01.11 | rm_you | lol |
| 10:01.17 | rm_you | better that way :P |
| 10:01.34 | rm_you | i can redirect any blame, and laugh :P |
| 10:01.40 | rm_you | it was random! |
| 10:02.08 | rm_you | lcuk: well, it is working nicely for anything in the database |
| 10:02.16 | rm_you | now to work on amazon scraping later |
| 10:02.16 | lcuk | mind you, i think *cow orker* needs 00282387217 shoving up his backside |
| 10:02.22 | rm_you | in a few days |
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| 10:02.53 | lcuk | i hope to god thats a valid code and that its big and uncomfortable |
| 10:03.32 | rm_you | lol |
| 10:04.59 | rm_you | he might need some 0716770019486 |
| 10:05.04 | lcuk | has a song about said worker but would be booted off freenode for singing it in channel :) |
| 10:05.28 | crashanddie | oi |
| 10:05.30 | lcuk | lol i havent got the code lookup here |
| 10:05.39 | lcuk | not you crashanddie :) |
| 10:06.03 | rm_you | to go with his 0033171203994 |
| 10:06.04 | rm_you | :P |
| 10:06.05 | crashanddie | how y'all doing ? |
| 10:06.11 | crashanddie | lcuk, implementing file transfer |
| 10:06.40 | rm_you | lcuk: get your video client/server in testing yet? :P |
| 10:06.45 | rm_you | that should be fun to test |
| 10:06.46 | lcuk | i was havin a great mornin until warshat for brains got in my way |
| 10:07.02 | crashanddie | $ ./sw_client -h 192.168.0.20 -p 32001 -l whatismyip.com |
| 10:07.04 | crashanddie | :D |
| 10:07.18 | lcuk | crashanddie, :) excelleent |
| 10:07.22 | rm_you | lol? |
| 10:07.26 | lcuk | rm_you, :) yes, it will be fun |
| 10:08.17 | lcuk | will finish the protocol and server tonight - theres more than just raw images required |
| 10:08.27 | rm_you | this item concerns me: 0022333462782 |
| 10:08.32 | lcuk | still doesnt know how to create accounts and have security |
| 10:08.54 | lcuk | i dont want someone spoofing rm_you with a live goatse |
| 10:09.02 | rm_you | lol |
| 10:10.16 | lcuk | ponders compression |
| 10:10.21 | rm_you | lcuk: i think you should divert your attention briefly to the datamatrix code :P |
| 10:10.22 | crashanddie | where should I store temp files on the NIT ? |
| 10:10.31 | rm_you | lcuk: or maybe after you finish that :P |
| 10:10.36 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:10.38 | rm_you | crashanddie: /tmp/ ? :P |
| 10:10.55 | lcuk | rm_you, square barcodes will get attention from me when i see them in more places than the internet |
| 10:11.02 | rm_you | lcuk: lol |
| 10:11.07 | rm_you | QR is all over the place in japan |
| 10:11.08 | rm_you | but |
| 10:11.15 | rm_you | datamatrix is useful for other things |
| 10:11.17 | lcuk | am i in japan? |
| 10:11.27 | rm_you | datamatrix is useful for US to PLAY WITH! :P |
| 10:11.29 | lcuk | might be actually |
| 10:11.30 | rm_you | and it is so close |
| 10:11.40 | lcuk | then get it working, its your baby |
| 10:11.43 | johnx | lcuk, you could be ... if ... the Price is Riiiight! |
| 10:11.45 | crashanddie | there's not enough space on /tmp |
| 10:11.45 | rm_you | i bet you could make datamatrix support work in less than 30 minutes |
| 10:12.03 | rm_you | I am not into imaging, i have no idea what is going on |
| 10:12.07 | lcuk | crashanddie, use ummmm /var then - aint that for files like that |
| 10:12.10 | rm_you | or C internal structures >_> |
| 10:12.22 | rm_you | crashanddie: /media/mmc1/ ? |
| 10:12.24 | rm_you | crashanddie: /media/mmc2/ ? |
| 10:12.26 | lcuk | or c code |
| 10:12.31 | lcuk | or c compilaiton |
| 10:12.33 | rm_you | lol |
| 10:12.43 | rm_you | I can do the compilation mostly :P |
| 10:12.51 | lcuk | lets face it, if c was like php or python you would be happy wouldnt ya :P |
| 10:12.55 | rm_you | the more I use C the more I hate it |
| 10:13.00 | rm_you | but yes. |
| 10:13.06 | XTLi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:14.08 | lcuk | crashanddie, you already have your own branch /var/crash |
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| 10:14.30 | lcuk | but you really want /var/cache |
| 10:14.50 | lcuk | or direct to destination |
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| 10:15.05 | rm_you | bbl, sleep :P |
| 10:15.25 | lcuk | cya later |
| 10:15.27 | crashanddie | in other news |
| 10:15.31 | crashanddie | my skin is peeling off |
| 10:15.44 | johnx | what exciting news |
| 10:15.47 | lcuk | ewww gross |
| 10:16.07 | johnx | crashanddie, that's what you get for being out under the terrifying day star |
| 10:16.10 | MangoFusion | too much information |
| 10:16.17 | XTLi | Join the club |
| 10:16.25 | glezos | Hi all. This was probably brought up a number of times, but here it goes: My n810 doesn't turn on (even with fridge technique). Flashing sequence is stuck at "Suitable USB device not found" (no usb hub). Tried some alternative switches to the command-line, but no luck. Any advices? |
| 10:16.57 | lcuk | forget the command line: does it turn on normally? |
| 10:17.08 | johnx | glezos, well the good news is the freezer-hack thing only applies to the n800 as far as I know |
| 10:17.09 | lcuk | you are confuddling 2 different things |
| 10:17.28 | lcuk | and putting it in the fridge cant help that much can it? unless proximity to the milk helps |
| 10:17.34 | glezos | lcuk: no, it doesn't |
| 10:17.37 | XTLi | If it doesn't turn on at all, the flasher isn't going to get anywhere :) |
| 10:17.45 | lcuk | then RMA it and let nokia help |
| 10:17.53 | johnx | lcuk, it was a specific issue related to some timing issue with the n800 AFAIK |
| 10:17.57 | lcuk | the device was released less than a year ago, you have warranty |
| 10:18.07 | lcuk | this is 810 though |
| 10:18.14 | glezos | XTLi: yeah, I figured that out. It was working properly before GUADEC, and when it was turned off, it never came alive again. |
| 10:18.27 | lcuk | try a replacement battery |
| 10:18.59 | glezos | lcuk: will do that. |
| 10:19.20 | lcuk | but i think fridges and voodoo magic wont help |
| 10:19.48 | XTLi | Does it react in any way when the charger is plugged in? |
| 10:20.18 | lcuk | a little voice inside the 810 goes "owwwww, warm that bloody thing up before you stick it in there" |
| 10:20.38 | XTLi | You can try the battery but there's propably not much else to do |
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| 10:21.05 | lcuk | "theyr gonna make me go to recall, i said no no no" |
| 10:21.23 | ccooke | wonders what a sprint review is |
| 10:22.19 | glezos | XTLi: yes, the screen flashes a few times with "NOKIA" on it |
| 10:22.37 | Khertan_TheReal | n810 has two years warranty |
| 10:22.57 | glezos | This thread shows it might also be a charger problem: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20696 |
| 10:23.14 | Khertan_TheReal | glezos > are u sure that you are using the right command line for flashing it ? |
| 10:23.53 | glezos | Khertan_TheReal: yeah, I don't think it's a flashing issue though. |
| 10:24.32 | lcuk | glezos, ok, you say it DOES turn on but doesnt boot up properly and goes off again almost immediately |
| 10:25.00 | glezos | lcuk: right. |
| 10:25.00 | lcuk | which is of course different to it wont turn on at all |
| 10:25.05 | glezos | ok, sorry |
| 10:25.17 | glezos | lost in translation. :) |
| 10:25.33 | Khertan_TheReal | do u see the screen with two hands ? |
| 10:25.49 | lcuk | deffo try to get a different fully charged battery or try an alternative nokia charger |
| 10:26.05 | glezos | Khertan_TheReal: no |
| 10:26.31 | glezos | lcuk: yeah, that's what i was thinking as well. |
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| 10:28.00 | glezos | thank you guys |
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| 10:41.19 | MangoFusion | muhahaha. now i can build apps which work on my Jailbroken iPod 2.0... for free. |
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| 10:41.34 | MangoFusion | actually, now i don't have a clue what to make so it's pretty much useless |
| 10:41.38 | MangoFusion | oh well |
| 10:41.41 | MangoFusion | back to m NIT ;) |
| 10:42.20 | XTLi | You can ping localhost |
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| 10:44.29 | sp3000 | but can you telnet to 80? |
| 10:54.22 | GAN800 | I guess I should put the wiki url in the title, but it's so long. . . . |
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| 10:57.03 | Jaffa | GAN800: for this evening's meeting? |
| 10:59.35 | GAN800 | Yeah |
| 10:59.44 | GAN800 | Since people don't know how to google 'maemo sprint' |
| 11:01.42 | RST38h | yawn |
| 11:02.18 | *** topic/#maemo by GeneralAntilles -> Sprint review @ 1900 UTC 7/22 in #maemo-meeting https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint3 bugs.maemo.org meeting after the sprint | http://maemo.org | Maemo Summit: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | Create the new maemo.org logo: https://wiki.maemo.org/maemo.org_logo_contest | logs at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ | http://mxr.maemo.org |
| 11:03.06 | *** topic/#maemo by GeneralAntilles -> Sprint review today @ 1900 UTC in #maemo-meeting https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint3 | bugs.maemo.org meeting after the sprint | http://maemo.org | Maemo Summit: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | Create the new maemo.org logo: https://wiki.maemo.org/maemo.org_logo_contest | logs at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ | http://mxr.maemo.org |
| 11:03.59 | GeneralAntilles | 2 "Thanks!" from 1,000 |
| 11:04.02 | GeneralAntilles | Then I can finally rest. |
| 11:04.51 | XTLi | Oh, it's tonight already |
| 11:05.13 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, that title is a bit short, care to make it a bit longer? |
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| 11:06.01 | XTLi | You mean topic? |
| 11:06.28 | lcuk | you say potato |
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| 11:07.19 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, how does "Sprint review today @ 1900 UTC in #maemo-meeting https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint3 | bugs.maemo.org meeting after the sprint | http://maemo.org | Maemo Summit: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | Create the new maemo.org logo: https://wiki.maemo.org/maemo.org_logo_contest | logs at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ | http://mxr.maemo.org | lcuksuxlcuksuxlcuksuxlcuksuxlcuksuxlcuksuxlcuksuxlcuksuxlcuksu |
| 11:07.41 | lcuk | coool, thanks GeneralAntilles, ill remember that |
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| 11:08.29 | GeneralAntilles | Ahaha. This is so what my hair looks like right now (just having gotten out of bed): http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/14/Karadic_mainpage.jpg |
| 11:09.31 | lcuk | also known as "Pili trianguli et canaliculi" |
| 11:13.30 | Khertan_TheReal | someone have tryed the first Ubuntu UME Release ? and see what pim they use ? |
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| 11:15.47 | crashanddie | lcuk, file transfer completed |
| 11:16.12 | lcuk | it took since last night to transfer 1 tiny file :P |
| 11:16.17 | lcuk | people arent gonna accept that |
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| 11:17.18 | crashanddie | lcuk, shove it |
| 11:17.36 | lcuk | i gather this is the windows pusher and a maemo daemon? |
| 11:17.54 | crashanddie | linux pusher |
| 11:17.59 | crashanddie | I don't care about windows |
| 11:18.02 | jott | *yawn* |
| 11:18.12 | lcuk | mornin jott |
| 11:18.14 | jott | ah right maemo meeting |
| 11:18.17 | lcuk | cool though |
| 11:18.35 | crashanddie | lcuk, I'm really keeping the protocol extremely minimal |
| 11:18.50 | Stskeeps | Khertan_TheReal: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/ApplicationsOverview#mobile-applications-pimp |
| 11:18.56 | lcuk | "Here, have a file" |
| 11:19.22 | lcuk | does the desktop pusher get to choose any kind of location (like push to mmc or push to docs or push to favs? |
| 11:19.39 | crashanddie | lcuk, unsigned int for transfer type (link or file), unsigned int for link/file size, content |
| 11:19.50 | crashanddie | lcuk, not in this version, I'm doing everything on a temp file |
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| 11:19.51 | jott | crashanddie: cat file.txt | netcat -p 1911 foo ? ;) |
| 11:20.01 | eikke | anyone knows whether Quim hangs out on irc sometimes? |
| 11:20.12 | crashanddie | eikke, sometimes |
| 11:20.17 | jott | eikke: he rushes in here from time to time |
| 11:20.19 | lcuk | eikke, yes he does but usually only when required. |
| 11:20.25 | crashanddie | jott, yeah, that's about it |
| 11:20.33 | eikke | ok, thanks |
| 11:20.33 | lcuk | hes like a superhero, dashing from scene to scene |
| 11:20.39 | jott | and he will attend to the maemo meeting today i guess |
| 11:20.57 | crashanddie | jott, wouldn't cat struggle on binary files though ? |
| 11:21.07 | lcuk | speaking of superheros - jott are you gonna wear your costume at the summit? :P |
| 11:21.08 | jott | crashanddie: why should it? |
| 11:21.15 | crashanddie | jott, dunno, just had that feeling |
| 11:22.01 | lcuk | passes magic,content4cc,contentsize,contentdata |
| 11:22.04 | jott | crashanddie: there are arguments to break stuff, thats right ;) |
| 11:22.16 | crashanddie | heh |
| 11:22.53 | lcuk | randomly modifies cow orkers files |
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| 11:24.52 | hrw | plays with qemu |
| 11:24.54 | crashanddie | lol |
| 11:25.01 | crashanddie | I just got the "cow orkers" joke |
| 11:25.07 | crashanddie | goes into hiding |
| 11:25.21 | hrw | crashanddie: sent? |
| 11:25.33 | crashanddie | hrw, wanted to ask a question, cover letter, yes or no ? |
| 11:25.44 | crashanddie | hrw, and if yes, whom should I address it to ? |
| 11:26.42 | GeneralAntilles | hopes the meeting is done in less than 4 hours. |
| 11:28.02 | lcuk | lol GeneralAntilles you dont have to stay for everything |
| 11:28.43 | jott | but he wants to have the last word ;p |
| 11:28.56 | GeneralAntilles | Gotta be here for the bugzilla meeting |
| 11:29.10 | GeneralAntilles | . . . and jott's thing. :D |
| 11:29.31 | GeneralAntilles | Dark Knight in IMAX at 7:15 |
| 11:29.34 | GeneralAntilles | I'm excited. |
| 11:29.42 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, at the end |
| 11:30.05 | jott | screw those *!# german cinemas, way too long to wait for this movie... |
| 11:30.18 | jott | best of all - they probably take this long to make a horrible dub |
| 11:30.20 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, there's the thing with the guy and the dude |
| 11:30.29 | GeneralAntilles | Batman dies. |
| 11:30.50 | hrw | with small child I do not remeber when last time I was in cinema |
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| 11:31.00 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: aw, you spoiled it |
| 11:31.19 | GeneralAntilles | hrw, what, no kid's movies? |
| 11:31.30 | jott | baby movie ;p |
| 11:31.31 | crashanddie | aquatix, go watch it, no matter how many spoilers you've seen/heard |
| 11:31.45 | hrw | GeneralAntilles: #define small "less then year" |
| 11:31.53 | Khertan_TheReal | Stskeeps > so ... there is nothing done yet ... it s still in specifications process |
| 11:31.57 | aquatix | crashanddie: surprisingly, i read surprisingly few |
| 11:32.01 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, right. |
| 11:32.06 | crashanddie | hrw, then you probably haven't seen a movie in about a year ? |
| 11:32.12 | aquatix | crashanddie: yeah, i should watch it i guess |
| 11:32.21 | crashanddie | aquatix, heath is amazing |
| 11:32.48 | GeneralAntilles | I manage to avoid spoilers for movies pretty well, actually. |
| 11:32.49 | crashanddie | hrw, answer to the questions above ? |
| 11:33.10 | crashanddie | GA surfs the web with his eyes closed |
| 11:33.12 | GeneralAntilles | hrw, when are you going to do battle with fanoush's kid? ;) |
| 11:34.11 | GeneralAntilles | My computer summarizes everything I might want to read "Not a spoiler. Not a spoiler. Spoiler. Not a spoiler." |
| 11:34.31 | Stskeeps | Khertan_TheReal: some stuff is done |
| 11:34.49 | GeneralAntilles | Did you guys read that "Not a spoiler" on slashdot yesterday? It was pretty interesting stuff. :D |
| 11:34.49 | Stskeeps | anyone has some swf emulating a iphone interface or some "flash based UI"? |
| 11:34.56 | hrw | crashanddie: last was February I think - when wife and daughter were in hospital. 'Jumper' was the movie |
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| 11:35.38 | hrw | hi mgedmin |
| 11:35.46 | mgedmin | hi |
| 11:35.53 | crashanddie | hrw, ha... in fact I was referring to the other questions :D should I send a cover letter, and if so, who will read it ? |
| 11:35.56 | hrw | GeneralAntilles: ? |
| 11:36.14 | Khertan_TheReal | Stskeeps > yes i m talking about pim apps |
| 11:36.20 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: which of the 12? ;) |
| 11:36.22 | hrw | crashanddie: someone in company will read. you can be 100% sure that it wont be me |
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| 11:36.31 | GeneralAntilles | hrw, doing battle with fanoush's kid or my lame not-a-spoiler joke? |
| 11:36.39 | hrw | battle GeneralAntilles |
| 11:36.59 | Khertan_TheReal | Stskeeps > there is iphone's like keyboard in edje ... but don't know about it in swf |
| 11:37.22 | crashanddie | hrw, fair enough |
| 11:37.31 | GeneralAntilles | hrw, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=203891#post203891 |
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| 11:44.23 | X-Fade | http://www.linuxtoday.com/developer/2008072100135NWEM |
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| 11:51.25 | GeneralAntilles | lol @ comments: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/17/wikipedia-tries-approval-system-to-reduce-vandalism-on-pages/ |
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| 11:59.40 | Italodance | straNGE! i changed some skins for my xmms but the device memory is full now! (from 11 mb empty) |
| 11:59.55 | smyows | Helo |
| 12:00.16 | Italodance | i rebooted it but didn't changed |
| 12:01.23 | smyows | My usb hub powered is not recognized ;/ |
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| 12:01.49 | Italodance | smyows what's ur app? |
| 12:01.50 | smyows | To os2009 usb support must be impuved |
| 12:01.54 | Italodance | usb control? |
| 12:01.59 | smyows | Yep |
| 12:02.01 | Italodance | HUH! |
| 12:02.11 | Italodance | try host and other parts too |
| 12:02.14 | smyows | Is recognized but somtimes is, somtimes not |
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| 12:02.22 | GeneralAntilles | smyows, there's a whitelist |
| 12:02.27 | GeneralAntilles | It may not be on it. |
| 12:02.31 | smyows | Only in host works so so |
| 12:02.38 | GeneralAntilles | and there wont be an "OS2009" |
| 12:03.58 | smyows | If i compile another kernel on sbox my hub and another usb devices works? |
| 12:04.06 | smyows | Sorry my bad english |
| 12:06.46 | Jaffa | sighs at the "Update to repositories" thread on ITT |
| 12:06.54 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 12:07.09 | GeneralAntilles | It like a whole 'nother world of insanity that I can't get my head around. |
| 12:07.53 | Italodance | my xmms can't play songs! :( |
| 12:08.46 | GeneralAntilles | The most basic assumptions are so totally flawed that I'm not even sure where to begin trying to explain. |
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| 12:09.46 | Italodance | GeneralAntilles do u have a job? |
| 12:10.02 | GeneralAntilles | I'm in school |
| 12:10.11 | Italodance | oh |
| 12:10.30 | Italodance | u are always 24/hour here for talk! |
| 12:10.41 | GeneralAntilles | Not really. |
| 12:10.51 | GeneralAntilles | I just keep odd hours so it appears that way |
| 12:11.01 | Italodance | ok! :D |
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| 12:15.09 | GeneralAntilles | notices new Nokia names in Bugzilla. |
| 12:15.17 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, gogogogogo! ;) |
| 12:15.22 | RST38h | ga: what school? |
| 12:15.35 | andre__ | heh |
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| 12:15.58 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Where? |
| 12:16.03 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, http://fsu.edu/ |
| 12:17.10 | RST38h | ga: cs?=) |
| 12:17.16 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, don't have any particular bug numbers in mind. |
| 12:17.20 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, yes. |
| 12:24.18 | mouser- | I'm finally on Diablo, and seem to have the poor battery life bug as well. |
| 12:25.25 | mouser- | It was fully charged yesterday morning and has mostly been in offline mode the entire day and night. This morning, it was dead. |
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| 12:30.17 | mikkov_ | which desktop applets are you using? |
| 12:30.17 | Khertan_TheReal | mouser- > what is installed on it ? |
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| 12:38.42 | RST38h | How come updated canola plugins are in diablo extras but canola itself is not? |
| 12:40.08 | GeneralAntilles | It's in Extras-devel |
| 12:40.14 | GeneralAntilles | They're finishing up testing, I think. |
| 12:40.36 | GeneralAntilles | I would've waited until Canola was there before promoting the plugins, myself, though. |
| 12:40.46 | GeneralAntilles | As it just leads to dependency issues. |
| 12:42.14 | Jaffa | The world is full of nonsense. |
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| 12:43.05 | RST38h | its weird because you cant use plugins from extras without canola from extras devel |
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| 12:44.47 | RST38h | also looks like personal menu package is broken and mc package has got a problem with ncurses dependency |
| 12:45.19 | Khertan_TheReal | and onboard user can't still upload package to extras-devel ... but it s an other story |
| 12:45.21 | Khertan_TheReal | :) |
| 12:45.55 | RST38h | khertan: I talked to canola guys |
| 12:45.56 | steri | anyone have any idea why my ssh server doesn |
| 12:46.07 | steri | anyone have any idea why my ssh server doesn't work :S I can connect it locally but not from remote pc |
| 12:46.10 | Khertan_TheReal | i know ... :) |
| 12:46.18 | RST38h | khertan: looks like you can dput to extras non-free |
| 12:46.26 | Khertan_TheReal | no no no ... |
| 12:46.28 | Khertan_TheReal | ;) |
| 12:46.35 | Khertan_TheReal | it s a free package ... |
| 12:46.53 | Khertan_TheReal | so really ? i can directly upload to non free with scp ? |
| 12:47.09 | XTLi | It would be nice if you could set some pinning priorities in appman |
| 12:47.09 | GeneralAntilles | Khertan_TheReal, why can't you upload from device? |
| 12:47.10 | Jaffa | Khertan_TheReal: why can't you upload a package to extras-devel from a device? It's just scp. Did you mean you can't build a source package yet cos you've not worked out how, did you mean you can't *sign* a package on the device because of no debsign/gnupg, or did you mean you can't generate a key on the device to sign with? |
| 12:47.29 | Khertan_TheReal | GeneralAntilles > dpkg-buildpackage don't work |
| 12:47.30 | XTLi | Almost makes me want to pin by hand as repos pile up |
| 12:47.41 | Khertan_TheReal | Jaffa > gnupg is available |
| 12:47.59 | Khertan_TheReal | i can up ... i can do it with chinook repository with pypackager |
| 12:48.05 | Jaffa | Khertan_TheReal: I know. I was asking you why you think you can't upload to extras-devel. |
| 12:48.24 | Khertan_TheReal | but as source can't be rebuild with dpkg-buildpackage |
| 12:48.30 | Khertan_TheReal | as it s not standart debian source |
| 12:48.48 | Jaffa | Right, so it's nothing to do with the device. It's a limitation in PyPackager - that's different. |
| 12:49.04 | Khertan_TheReal | and can't do it onboard as dpkg-buildpackage failed with a 'sh: bad signal 's'' |
| 12:49.04 | RST38h | Jaffa: he cant create a source package on the device |
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| 12:49.33 | GeneralAntilles | XTLi, use fewer repos. |
| 12:49.35 | Khertan_TheReal | Jaffa > yes the dev of pypackager sucks ! his application can't do real debian packages ! |
| 12:49.35 | RST38h | Jaffa: pypackager or not, he is still screwed, unfortunately |
| 12:49.42 | Khertan_TheReal | :) |
| 12:49.43 | Jaffa | RST38h: there's no reason one can't, though. It's a tarball with a debian/rules file and a .dsc. |
| 12:49.59 | Khertan_TheReal | Jaffa > yes ... just some rules ... |
| 12:50.01 | Jaffa | RST38h: or am I missing something |
| 12:50.16 | RST38h | Khertan: maybe you should just extend pypackager :) |
| 12:50.18 | Khertan_TheReal | but i m not funny enought to build rules by hand |
| 12:50.40 | RST38h | Jaffa: it is not a plain tarball afaik, but close enough |
| 12:50.54 | Khertan_TheReal | RST38h > it s what i m trying to do by trying to install dpkg-buildpackage |
| 12:51.11 | jott | Khertan_TheReal: the bad signal stuff is easy to fix.. |
| 12:51.20 | Khertan_TheReal | jott > really ? |
| 12:51.25 | Khertan_TheReal | how ? |
| 12:51.58 | jott | its a "kill" argument in one of the dh_ scripts |
| 12:52.03 | Jaffa | debian/rules is a trivial Makefile which has to support about 4 targets. A script to create such a file should be relatively straightforward given a tree of stuff. |
| 12:52.08 | Khertan_TheReal | jott ... yes ... one :) |
| 12:52.17 | Jaffa | All the dh_* stuff is to help people, but it's not essential. |
| 12:52.33 | RST38h | does have a cut down rules file |
| 12:52.50 | Khertan_TheReal | Jaffa > yes i know |
| 12:53.02 | jott | Khertan_TheReal: i am not at home atm.. |
| 12:53.10 | jott | i cant remember on top of my head :/ |
| 12:53.12 | RST38h | unfortunately it is not clear which rules are safe to kework |
| 12:53.21 | jott | but it was fairly straight forward to see where it stops |
| 12:53.42 | Jaffa | RST38h: if you control the structure of your project, you're probably best building it up from scratch; especially if it's Python based. |
| 12:54.12 | GeneralAntilles | Woo, more super-sized monospace HTML email spam on -users! |
| 12:54.13 | RST38h | mine is c |
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| 12:54.43 | Khertan_TheReal | GeneralAntilles > configure your server ... mine filter html email :) |
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| 12:54.52 | Jaffa | RST38h: autoconf-based? |
| 12:55.04 | GeneralAntilles | Khertan_TheReal, gmail webmail at the moment |
| 12:55.10 | jott | Khertan_TheReal: and it's just a s/-s FOO/-FOO/ |
| 12:55.27 | jott | as busybox kill does not understand -s SIGNAL |
| 12:55.27 | Khertan_TheReal | jott > thx i ll try to look |
| 12:55.42 | Khertan_TheReal | GeneralAntilles > gmail can read mail on other server ... :) |
| 12:55.48 | GeneralAntilles | Well, at least he's polite: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-users/2008-July/022035.html |
| 12:55.58 | mouser- | Khertan_TheReal: None that I didn't use before. The gpe PIM summary, rss reader (with autoscroll disabled) and another one |
| 12:56.18 | Khertan_TheReal | hum ... and the other one is ? |
| 12:56.33 | RST38h | but I do control it myself because deb packaging is just a kludge on top of existing project |
| 12:56.51 | RST38h | Jaffa: no autoconf. no automake. |
| 12:57.12 | RST38h | compiles just fine without them |
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| 12:58.26 | Khertan_TheReal | more i understand how debian package work and are built more i found this too much complicated... |
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| 12:59.08 | Khertan_TheReal | and i m surprised that there is so many applications packaged ... :) |
| 12:59.29 | RST38h | Khertan: so is a lot of things designed by people who just like designing stuff |
| 12:59.30 | aquatix | lots of maintainers ;) |
| 12:59.35 | hrw | Khertan_TheReal: debian packaging is easy. |
| 13:00.02 | hrw | Khertan_TheReal: building for maemo is less due to scratchbox and lack of native building |
| 13:00.37 | RST38h | building for maemo is dead easy with sb2 |
| 13:00.40 | jott | actually building debian packages in scratchbox is fairly easy too .. ;) |
| 13:01.23 | XTLi | From the pkg front, yes |
| 13:01.46 | XTLi | Maybe even easier than building on the system you actually use |
| 13:01.50 | RST38h | sb1 does suck though especially if you use autoconf as maemo tutorials suggest |
| 13:02.04 | XTLi | Pull in deps as you need etc |
| 13:02.31 | hrw | RST38h: tutorials... |
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| 13:02.39 | RST38h | there is exactly one tutorial (hello world) that shows building without autoconf |
| 13:02.43 | XTLi | But sw dev/port itself might have some extra trickiness |
| 13:02.51 | jott | never had real problems with scratchbox, just with gcc 3.4.4... |
| 13:03.01 | hrw | I would like to see clean tutorials, not that 'how to port glade based app to hildon' |
| 13:03.05 | XTLi | Horror |
| 13:03.08 | RST38h | a lot of people miss it though and go for maemopad example |
| 13:03.48 | hrw | and I would like to get normal sdk instead of scratchbox |
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| 13:04.04 | hrw | with normal cross-compiler + libs/headers |
| 13:04.11 | hrw | just like Poky does |
| 13:04.29 | RST38h | true |
| 13:04.38 | RST38h | sb2 is close to that though |
| 13:05.09 | RST38h | prepend everything with sb2 and forget that you are not building natively |
| 13:05.10 | hrw | I do not want to use "sb2 something" but just something |
| 13:05.16 | smyows | Exist config.gz on maemo kernel? |
| 13:05.18 | hrw | sb2 ls |
| 13:05.20 | RST38h | I understand |
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| 13:05.43 | RST38h | but this you can avoid with aliases and a few makefile rules |
| 13:05.48 | hrw | "sb2 cd source;sb2 vi configure.ac;sb2 ./configure --options-misc;sb2 make"? |
| 13:06.17 | johnx | you only need to run sb2 in front of ./configure and make in that example, IIRC |
| 13:06.21 | mgedmin | I'd do the vi without sb2 |
| 13:06.50 | mgedmin | and I doubt it will work with cd |
| 13:06.50 | mgedmin | can you sb2 apt-get install anything these days? |
| 13:06.50 | RST38h | hrw: sb2 sh :) |
| 13:06.51 | mgedmin | iirc it used not to work |
| 13:06.58 | hrw | RST38h: and "sb2 sb2 sh" |
| 13:07.09 | RST38h | I think apt-get works |
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| 13:07.18 | RST38h | hrw: wont work |
| 13:07.27 | mikkov_ | maemo.org is down? |
| 13:07.34 | hrw | RST38h: why? you just told me 'prepend everything with sb2' ;( |
| 13:07.41 | RST38h | not clear why you would want to run apt-get though |
| 13:07.55 | RST38h | hrw: but NOT twice:) |
| 13:08.00 | jott | RST38h: apt-get install foo-dev |
| 13:08.15 | mikkov_ | just working slower than life, i guess |
| 13:08.23 | RST38h | jott: ok, valid |
| 13:08.27 | jott | mikkov_: get used to it ;) |
| 13:08.42 | hrw | RST38h: "apt-get upgrade" to get chinook->diablo |
| 13:09.12 | RST38h | hrw: I do not think sb2 guys have diablo rootstrap yet |
| 13:10.00 | hrw | RST38h: in normal world rootfs can be built from packages... |
| 13:10.27 | RST38h | Well, we are in the Nokia world |
| 13:10.42 | RST38h | so be thankful it is not s60 |
| 13:10.48 | jott | hah |
| 13:11.37 | hrw | with s60 situation is more clear - platform is closed |
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| 13:12.27 | jott | well lgpl implies closed platforms too.. |
| 13:13.05 | jott | stabs closed platforms |
| 13:15.03 | RST38h | maemo is not open either |
| 13:16.01 | RST38h | and you should get used to the fact that no established company will make its platform open in Gpl sense |
| 13:16.13 | RST38h | they aint stupid |
| 13:19.12 | Khertan_TheReal | is thinking of option he have : making his own repository (--) / fix pypackager and be able to upload new package in december, mean that mCalendar ll not be updated during this time (----) / made his own application manager/updater with his own packaging system (can be build in one month) but problem with .deb package depandancies (---) |
| 13:19.37 | RST38h | I would go with #2 |
| 13:19.50 | RST38h | although #1 sounds tempting |
| 13:20.11 | Khertan_TheReal | any other option ? |
| 13:20.50 | johnx | ask someone else to make a package for mcalendar? |
| 13:21.03 | Khertan_TheReal | johnx > :) |
| 13:21.09 | Khertan_TheReal | and pygtkeditor |
| 13:21.15 | Khertan_TheReal | and homeip |
| 13:21.21 | johnx | aren't python apps pretty simple to package? |
| 13:21.21 | Khertan_TheReal | and homethings* |
| 13:21.36 | Khertan_TheReal | there are ... when dpkg-buildpackage can be installed |
| 13:21.39 | Khertan_TheReal | :) |
| 13:21.43 | smyows | It[ is possible to use the make menuconfig on sbox? |
| 13:21.50 | jott | just make dpkg-buildpackage work ;) |
| 13:21.55 | Khertan_TheReal | hum... |
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| 13:22.08 | johnx | Khertan_TheReal, why can't you use scratchbox at all? |
| 13:22.08 | mikkov_ | btw are python-hildondesktop and hildondesktop-python-loader nokia supported? |
| 13:22.20 | johnx | smyows, yes, with a little hack. google should give you the answer |
| 13:22.20 | jott | or get rid of busybox on maemo ;) |
| 13:22.29 | Khertan_TheReal | johnx > because it s not available on n810 :) |
| 13:22.35 | smyows | johnx: thx |
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| 13:22.47 | johnx | Khertan_TheReal, and you don't have an x86 computer at all? |
| 13:22.59 | smyows | johnx: and the kernel os2008 configuration? |
| 13:23.01 | Khertan_TheReal | Jott > i ve tryed replace busybox ... and the result was to flash my tablet :) |
| 13:23.24 | blafasel | Quick survey: I'm (in my day job) mostly a java/.net guy. Are there _any_ mono applications for the devices so far? Otherwise I'd probably go for vala, but.. The docs were rather sparse last time I checked. |
| 13:23.27 | jott | make it proper *rolleyes* :P |
| 13:23.29 | johnx | smyows, google kernel compile site:maemo.org |
| 13:23.33 | Khertan_TheReal | johnx > i ve one ... but don't have the time to sit in front of it :) |
| 13:23.47 | Khertan_TheReal | a nice small 4800 |
| 13:23.48 | johnx | Khertan_TheReal, ssh |
| 13:23.49 | Khertan_TheReal | + |
| 13:23.52 | smyows | johnx: thx again |
| 13:24.02 | Khertan_TheReal | johnx ... hum ... yes ... i m dumb ... |
| 13:24.04 | hrw | smyows: kernel config is with kernel sources |
| 13:24.13 | Khertan_TheReal | #4 ... ssh it ! |
| 13:24.24 | johnx | my build box is thousands of miles away |
| 13:24.41 | johnx | only a problem when the real owner wants to use it or takes it down for some reason :) |
| 13:24.43 | mgedmin | thousands of miles, what's that in milliseconds of ssh latency? |
| 13:24.52 | johnx | mgedmin, slightly painful |
| 13:25.01 | johnx | workable though |
| 13:25.04 | Khertan_TheReal | this ll be slow with data connection ... |
| 13:25.29 | Khertan_TheReal | but ... just to use dpkg-buildpackage ... this could be a solution ... |
| 13:25.29 | mgedmin | vi rules on slow connections |
| 13:25.38 | johnx | Khertan_TheReal, use rsync to only push changes |
| 13:26.02 | Khertan_TheReal | rsync ... is the way that i ve scratched my work last time ... :) |
| 13:26.12 | Khertan_TheReal | but there is a gui for maemo now ... :) |
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| 13:26.26 | Khertan_TheReal | inverted src / dst :) |
| 13:26.31 | johnx | ick |
| 13:26.36 | johnx | tar is the one that messes with me O_o |
| 13:26.56 | johnx | it's hilarious when you accidentally concatenate your mp3s :) |
| 13:27.27 | jott | hands Khertan_TheReal a --dry-run |
| 13:28.45 | Khertan_TheReal | http://manatlan.infogami.com/py2deb |
| 13:28.55 | Khertan_TheReal | a great module for python :) |
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| 13:33.22 | Italodance | who has xmms here? |
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| 13:39.55 | Khertan_TheReal | hum ... i m just discovered scribes... a great apps ! |
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| 13:50.06 | smyows | I use n800_defconfig or nokia_2420_defconfig for n800 os2008? |
| 13:51.05 | anddam | hello |
| 13:51.58 | Stskeeps | smyows: think guide says nokia_2420_defconfig |
| 13:52.13 | Italodance | Khertan_TheReal XMMS? |
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| 13:52.39 | smyows | What is the diference about n800 and 2420 |
| 13:52.46 | Stskeeps | smyows: one works and the other doesnt :P |
| 13:52.58 | anddam | Italodance: Iran? |
| 13:53.45 | anddam | I was wondering if a N-serie device could be handy as calculator, like using a CAS and a numeric program like octave or scilab |
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| 13:54.31 | anddam | but I wasn't able to figure it out, I searched and found some reference to a request for a "light octave" but nothing of interest. Has anyone tried this? |
| 13:54.43 | jott | anddam: octave works on the n8x0 |
| 13:55.01 | jott | so das mathomatic |
| 13:55.27 | jott | and probably alot other open source CAS and numeric programs |
| 13:55.37 | jott | you can also run a TI emulator ;) |
| 13:55.44 | anddam | jott: I was aiming at a 770 due to low price of used items, I see there os2008 HE and I read it is an hybrid between os2006 binaries and os2008 structure |
| 13:55.55 | Italodance | anddam YEs |
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| 13:56.34 | jott | anddam: yeah well, the 770 is slower (in particular due to missing vfp much slower for floating point operations) and has less memory |
| 13:56.37 | anddam | actually I'm already owning and using a TI89 and I was wondering if a more modern device (backlight, wifi, screen, linux with its possibilities) can replace it in doing math |
| 13:56.38 | Khertan_TheReal | Italodance > XMMS ? |
| 13:56.43 | jott | still, most basic stuff should work |
| 13:57.00 | jott | anddam: really depends on what you are aiming at.. |
| 13:57.09 | anddam | jott: can you explain me what the difference between HE and standard are? |
| 13:57.16 | jott | i guess solving highly non-linear pdes will not be much fun on a 770 ;) |
| 13:57.24 | Italodance | Khertan_TheReal ok yes XMMS is a great app,agree with u,i like winamp |
| 13:57.45 | Khertan_TheReal | i never said that ... i hate xmms and winamp ... |
| 13:57.54 | Khertan_TheReal | i m talking about scribes |
| 13:58.00 | jott | anddam: HE are hacker editions (not really officially supported) |
| 13:58.13 | jott | but with more modern system components |
| 13:58.16 | Italodance | Khertan_TheReal lol |
| 13:58.25 | anddam | jott: nothing heavy, basic calculations, some matrix elaboration, some graph |
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| 13:58.36 | jott | otoh, if you just want to run some CAS you might be fine with OS2005/06 |
| 13:58.56 | anddam | jott: obviously having a full system on background offers much more using some programming language with numeric package |
| 13:59.14 | binky | hi there |
| 13:59.36 | anddam | jott: it's still a thought, I'm getting infos |
| 13:59.46 | anddam | jott: obviously there's the geeky factor too |
| 13:59.56 | binky | jott, are you named after that app? |
| 13:59.58 | jott | hehe i guess so |
| 14:00.02 | jott | binky: no :* |
| 14:00.04 | jott | :( |
| 14:00.14 | binky | lol, ok |
| 14:00.18 | jott | curses jott.com |
| 14:00.48 | binky | THAT was what I meant |
| 14:00.58 | anddam | jott: and card size limit for 770 is 2gb, right? |
| 14:01.12 | jott | anddam: not sure. i never had a 770... |
| 14:01.19 | binky | I believe, but you still can install the fanoush kernel for supporting SDHC |
| 14:01.41 | anddam | binky: me? |
| 14:01.55 | anddam | ah yes, I see |
| 14:02.20 | binky | sure, you. It's my firs time on IRC and I don't know how to get that little message with the name of the person who is supposed to be sent |
| 14:02.33 | jott | anddam: just try to find out what cas/numeric program you want to use. |
| 14:02.46 | aquatix | binky: just type the name :) |
| 14:02.48 | binky | or you have just to type it? |
| 14:02.52 | binky | ah... I see |
| 14:03.04 | binky | thank you... |
| 14:03.05 | jott | anddam: then we might can tell you if it runs on a n8x0 or 770... |
| 14:03.07 | aquatix | you can type the first few chars and tap <tab> to complete even |
| 14:03.20 | anddam | scilab? |
| 14:03.33 | binky | I'd feel like in terminal then... |
| 14:03.46 | binky | aquatix: cool... thanks |
| 14:03.55 | jott | anddam: hmmm.. might be on the edge i guess.. |
| 14:04.10 | anddam | binky: tab completion precedes the use of the fire |
| 14:04.28 | anddam | jott: I read something didn't work properly, like gnuplot, due to Hildon |
| 14:04.38 | anddam | jott: or better due to the fact that it didn't use Hildon |
| 14:05.18 | jott | anddam: no its a normal x server running, so almost all stuff should "work" without modifications. |
| 14:05.28 | jott | anddam: its just not "integrated" |
| 14:05.50 | jott | (like the default onscreen keyboard can be an issue) |
| 14:06.05 | binky | and... I'd like to ask a thing, maybe the most stupid, but... how the hell do you enlarge the on-screen keyboard? |
| 14:06.24 | jott | has a n810 - no need for an osk :) |
| 14:07.10 | binky | I still with an arcaic 770 :'( [Paypal donations are always appreciated, do I merit it?] |
| 14:07.30 | anddam | jott: oh, how's the hw keyboard feeling? |
| 14:07.32 | jott | there is (for example) xkbd http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=65137 |
| 14:07.40 | jott | anddam: i like it. but some people don't |
| 14:07.56 | jott | i guess it's how you can get used to it... |
| 14:08.03 | jott | best would be to try it out in a store. |
| 14:08.18 | jott | (though it takes a while to get used to it - so the first impression might be inaccurate) |
| 14:08.52 | anddam | can you type in a medium long text (say a long email) comfortably? |
| 14:08.56 | binky | jott: you know, I'm thinking in porting some apps... but I don't know programmin, what language should I learn? C++? Python? Ruby? Perl? I'd like to have Audacity, Jokosher or Rosegarden |
| 14:09.56 | jott | binky: well i guess python is not that bad for getting started. |
| 14:10.06 | ccooke | binky: Different apps are written in different languages - and not all apps will be suitable on a tablet with limited cpu power |
| 14:10.25 | ccooke | Python is a good start for the libs, but the tutprials aren't very good. |
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| 14:11.07 | binky | I think C++ ftw, because It's structurated and should not be hard to begin. but it's a looong way until i can do something like that |
| 14:11.31 | ccooke | binky: have you already learned to program? |
| 14:12.00 | binky | ccooke: nope. |
| 14:12.01 | anddam | binky: I wonder how useful Rosegarden would be.. |
| 14:12.10 | crashanddie | binky, the "what language to start with" is about as old as computers are |
| 14:12.18 | crashanddie | binky, and there isn't a real answer |
| 14:12.28 | jott | i compiled milkytracker for the device.. runs really good ;) |
| 14:12.30 | binky | crashanddie: or "what linux distro do I choose?" |
| 14:12.34 | jott | and has not that high |
| 14:12.37 | ccooke | binky: in that case... hmm. Given the set you mentioned, Ruby is probably the 'easiest' to learn |
| 14:12.40 | jott | "jack" footprint ;) |
| 14:12.48 | ccooke | and it's not a bad choice of first language (few are!) |
| 14:13.00 | crashanddie | binky, my personal opinion would be to start with a not-too-heavily typed language (scraps a few), learn basic concepts, and then step up to a more serious language |
| 14:13.05 | binky | ccooke: Thn |
| 14:13.08 | ccooke | it's also similar enough in syntax to python that you can make the jump easily enough |
| 14:13.19 | crashanddie | (note the fact that I imply that languages which are not typed suck) |
| 14:13.19 | binky | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:13.20 | jott | are the ruby hildon bindings still maintained? |
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| 14:13.37 | binky | Sorry, I can't erase... I meant, thank you lol |
| 14:13.45 | sp3000 | GeneralAntilles: hum, isn't garage-bugzilla relevant to -developers |
| 14:14.15 | ccooke | jott: They looked to be, when I was looking. They can't be much worse than the python libs documentation-wise, though ;-) |
| 14:14.36 | jott | well gtk documentation in general sucks pretty much ;) |
| 14:14.46 | ccooke | (Much more interesting than 'which language should you start with' is 'Which *shouldn't* you start with' ;-) |
| 14:14.53 | binky | anddam: as a... sort of musician, (and now, Timidity++ is available) is one of the greatest things we could see in our ITs |
| 14:15.18 | binky | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:15.38 | jott | binky: seen milkytracker? ;) |
| 14:15.47 | ccooke | not so much easier (although a few: COBOL, for instance *are* easy)... but a lot more fun. |
| 14:15.56 | binky | jott: I'm googling it, but webpage does not load |
| 14:16.02 | ccooke | For instance - I'd say nobody should *ever* start programming with php or perl :-) |
| 14:16.12 | jott | mh.. indeed |
| 14:16.13 | binky | jott: forget it, I'll look for screenshots |
| 14:16.15 | jott | seems to be down |
| 14:16.38 | jott | yeah images.google to the rescue ;) |
| 14:17.14 | binky | jott: looks great, it does support differents MIDI instruments, doesn't it? |
| 14:17.35 | jott | binky: actually its a classical tracker with samples |
| 14:18.02 | GAN800 | sp3000, website stuff is -community now. |
| 14:18.03 | binky | hm... is it in the garage or do you have a .deb? I'd like to give a try |
| 14:18.04 | jott | binky: so you can load pretty much every sound ;) |
| 14:18.16 | jott | i had a deb.... |
| 14:18.16 | GAN800 | But, uh, yeah, there's probably some overlap. |
| 14:18.28 | jott | looks under the pillows |
| 14:18.39 | zap | jott: how fast the response is? |
| 14:18.54 | zap | I mean, you press a key, how fast do you hear the sound? |
| 14:19.21 | jott | zap: its quite fast, its optimized for embedded use |
| 14:19.32 | jott | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21653 ah someone else also made a deb |
| 14:19.33 | zap | its not about embedded, it's about N8x0 |
| 14:20.03 | binky | Is the greatest thing since PyAno. I could record any sound for make it larger... maybe Ty could just add more keys and add my sounds... is he around here? |
| 14:20.12 | ccooke | zap: the n810 is an embedded architecture still |
| 14:20.14 | sp3000 | GAN800: if the developers of the relevant apps aren't involved, I don't see why anyone else should care |
| 14:20.14 | zap | I like the "Zap" button |
| 14:20.36 | jott | i think i made 1-2 changes to have it accept rmb ... |
| 14:20.47 | jott | never tried the deb of pskosis |
| 14:20.51 | jott | psykosis |
| 14:20.54 | GAN800 | sp3000, well, at this point most of them are on vacation. |
| 14:20.54 | sp3000 | that is, maybe if it's in /really/ early stages it might be useful to limit discussion to the community-enabler-hackers circle |
| 14:21.03 | jott | but it's a nice app |
| 14:21.22 | binky | jott: OS2008 only... I can't try it. My 770 runs OS2006 U-_- |
| 14:21.33 | GAN800 | I'm not trying to limit anything, but we're still in the technical planning stages atm. |
| 14:21.39 | jott | binky: should be still worth a try.. it just uses sdl |
| 14:22.01 | sp3000 | bugzilla is a developer tool :) |
| 14:22.08 | binky | I'll do, but maybe dependencies will fail |
| 14:22.28 | jott | yeah --force-all ;p |
| 14:22.41 | jott | there are also some youtube tutorial videos |
| 14:22.51 | jott | (you can even paint a waveform ;) |
| 14:23.22 | binky | jott: Would be funny hear a loop of me doing "lalalal hey!, lalala hey!..." all the time...r |
| 14:23.56 | Italodance | many guys use load-applet? |
| 14:23.57 | binky | jott: dpkg -i --force-depends would work, no? |
| 14:24.14 | jott | binky: just try it ;) |
| 14:24.29 | jott | really - can't tell you |
| 14:24.54 | sp3000 | GAN800: I don't care what box something belongs in, I care that the right people know about what's relevant to them |
| 14:25.33 | GAN800 | sp3000, feel free to ping -developers. |
| 14:25.43 | GAN800 | I'm not really able to at the moment. |
| 14:25.46 | sp3000 | k |
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| 14:26.10 | sp3000 | also, if you can't thell, I get a rash whenever something is labelled "community" :) |
| 14:26.14 | sp3000 | tell even |
| 14:26.27 | binky | PD: Anyone tried to donwload a large file, and IT says it's donwnloaded in less than a second. then you look, and there is a file with that name and 1 KB? |
| 14:26.35 | GAN800 | Well, is maemo2midgard better? |
| 14:26.42 | sp3000 | heh ;) |
| 14:27.01 | guenther | binky: checked the files contents? |
| 14:27.07 | guenther | My guess: HTML... |
| 14:27.08 | GAN800 | is knee deep in an eMac mobo replacement. |
| 14:27.26 | binky | yes, it doesn't open. ? |
| 14:27.38 | guenther | What doesn't open? |
| 14:27.42 | guenther | less $file |
| 14:27.49 | guenther | How can that fail? :) |
| 14:28.04 | jott | fsck ;O |
| 14:28.17 | binky | jott: installed sucesfully |
| 14:28.27 | binky | guenther: I'll give you the exact message, wait |
| 14:28.50 | crashanddie | can I just tell dbus to launch a file, and it will try to open it based on Mime type ? |
| 14:29.42 | binky | COltrane_-_Love_Supreme --- 6 kB. I try to open and says "Imposible Abrir" what means "Impossible To Open" |
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| 14:30.01 | binky | it says is a text/html file |
| 14:30.05 | guenther | Don't double click it. |
| 14:30.09 | jott | crashanddie: dbus is an IPC system not a launcher ... |
| 14:30.13 | guenther | Open it in a text editor. |
| 14:30.20 | guenther | Aha, exactly my guess! :) |
| 14:30.29 | crashanddie | jott, fair enough |
| 14:30.36 | crashanddie | jott, does such a launcher exist ? |
| 14:30.42 | guenther | What was the URL you tried to download? |
| 14:30.58 | binky | somthing from Rapidshare |
| 14:31.17 | guenther | thanks for being as vague as possible, dude... |
| 14:31.25 | crashanddie | he's not vague |
| 14:31.27 | guenther | Complain to Rapidshare. |
| 14:31.46 | crashanddie | binky, I'll bet the HTML file is something as a security check, or a 404 page |
| 14:31.54 | guenther | crashanddie: Yes, he is. I asked for the URL. Not half of the doamin name only. |
| 14:32.15 | binky | guenther: Sorry ^^ It was... *searching* http://rapidshare.com/files/37812428/Coltrane_-_Love_Supreme.rar Is that what you were looking for? |
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| 14:32.27 | guenther | binky: yes :) |
| 14:32.41 | binky | crashanddie: A minute later, I downloaded it in my computer |
| 14:32.52 | crashanddie | And how #maemo becomes an illegal link sharing service |
| 14:33.14 | binky | crashanddie: I prefer to download directly in my IT, because my 770 won't work with the USB cable |
| 14:33.27 | crashanddie | binky, yeah, but you opened it with your browser on your computer, right ? |
| 14:33.30 | guenther | binky: That is not the file. Despite it's name. |
| 14:33.38 | crashanddie | TATAAAAA |
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| 14:33.45 | guenther | It IS a HTML page, that contains a link to the actual download. |
| 14:33.47 | binky | crashanddie: In record stores in my city there's only crappy pop, when I see something original that is worth, I buy it |
| 14:33.49 | crashanddie | as I said :) |
| 14:33.59 | skibur | :) |
| 14:34.12 | crashanddie | does the happy penguin dance |
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| 14:34.31 | binky | crashanddie: you are always right |
| 14:34.41 | crashanddie | I know |
| 14:34.46 | crashanddie | but thanks for confirming :) |
| 14:34.50 | binky | guenther: and why it donwloaded the HTML instead of the rar? |
| 14:35.02 | guenther | because you told it to download the file? |
| 14:35.15 | guenther | Just open the link in a browser. |
| 14:35.22 | guenther | Don't mind the extension. |
| 14:35.25 | guenther | It is irrelevant. |
| 14:35.40 | guenther | It is an HTML page. With ads. |
| 14:35.45 | sp3000 | GAN800: ook, I pushed the proposal mtg proposal at -dev |
| 14:35.48 | guenther | And the link to the file you actually are after... |
| 14:36.24 | binky | I opened rapidshare in the 770, clicked on Free (^^) waited the period and clicked on download, as usual. I told to download a 75 MBs rar of relaxing jazz =P |
| 14:37.02 | guenther | Good thing is, this channel is logged. And the logs indexed by google... |
| 14:37.06 | jott | crashanddie: there are some, run-mailcap is one of them and kfmclient is for kde, there is most likely something gnome specific.. |
| 14:37.24 | guenther | Next time you forgot the link, just ask google for "maemo coltrane". ;-) |
| 14:37.56 | crashanddie | I'm tempted to do ~coltrane is at http://rapidshare... |
| 14:39.19 | jott | crashanddie: gnome-open |
| 14:39.36 | binky | sorry, won't do that again... but you asked me for the link, so... |
| 14:39.38 | crashanddie | jott, just found it :P |
| 14:40.14 | guenther | binky: Heh, I didn't mean to complain. |
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| 14:41.20 | binky | guenther: but is better to complain, I'd never learn then =P |
| 14:42.16 | zap | MilkyTracker rullz |
| 14:42.28 | zap | listens to the Thraddash theme from sc2 |
| 14:42.34 | jott | yeah milkytracker is nice ;) |
| 14:42.52 | jott | i also showed it off at the linuxtag maemo booth ;) |
| 14:43.04 | guenther | binky: Not a big deal... |
| 14:43.27 | guenther | google for "the file hoster" instead of maemo... Lot of hits. |
| 14:43.43 | zap | but if you switch away from it, you're f*d :) |
| 14:44.16 | guenther | Just keep in mind that IRC might be logged, before handing out your porn URLs... ;-) |
| 14:44.30 | jott | zap: http://outpo.st/milkytracker_0.90.80-1_armel.deb use my port |
| 14:44.34 | jott | its integrated ;) |
| 14:44.35 | crashanddie | jott, you don't know of anything like gnome-open on the maemo platform ? |
| 14:44.40 | jott | i made it back in april :P |
| 14:44.44 | zap | it is "hildonized" ? :-) |
| 14:45.03 | zap | jott: why it's not in extras? |
| 14:45.05 | qwerty12 | Hildonise an SDL app? |
| 14:45.06 | jott | zap: yes.. atleast it integrates in the task manager |
| 14:45.12 | jott | zap: lazyness ;P |
| 14:45.28 | jott | i could probably push it there |
| 14:45.30 | jott | well when i get home |
| 14:45.44 | binky | guenther: in IRC is called pr0n |
| 14:46.18 | binky | jott: sorry, i installed milky tracker, but not tried it, I forget about... |
| 14:46.27 | guenther | Nah, only by 1337 kiddies and early Mozilla devs. |
| 14:46.43 | jott | binky: no worries, it's up to you to use it or not ;) |
| 14:46.47 | guenther | The GIF and JPEG lib was named libpr0n... |
| 14:48.00 | binky | guenther: we could make pornographic Unix? it could be called Linuxxx. ...Looks like I'm on drugs... |
| 14:48.23 | jott | there is already ascii pron ..... |
| 14:48.27 | guenther | hehe |
| 14:48.32 | binky | jott: I click it, but does not boot it does not show "Loading Milkytracker" or anything |
| 14:48.48 | jott | binky: try to run it from the console |
| 14:48.49 | guenther | Use the ao mplayer output... ;) |
| 14:49.09 | jott | binky: and the only milkytracker i tested is the one linked above ;P |
| 14:49.28 | jott | writes a note that he has to push it into extras |
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| 14:49.48 | qwerty12 | binky: Give me a copy of that distro plz |
| 14:49.53 | binky | milkytracker: error while loading shared libraries: libasound.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 14:50.19 | jott | binky: apt-get install libasound2 ? |
| 14:50.37 | qwerty12 | Lib asound should already be provided by the os |
| 14:50.43 | binky | qwerty12: here it is www.whatwouldjesusdownload.com/christianubuntu/ |
| 14:50.47 | jott | qwerty12: even os2005/06? :) |
| 14:51.07 | qwerty12 | binky: I want my Linuxxx! /me cries |
| 14:51.12 | binky | I was searching my stylus, I had it in my mouth... I feel idiot |
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| 14:51.19 | qwerty12 | jott: Good point, never used 2005/06 :) |
| 14:51.28 | jott | neither |
| 14:51.59 | binky | qwerty12 and jott : cool cats with their n8x0s.... |
| 14:52.51 | jott | poses around |
| 14:52.51 | binky | with their ports of apps... their thousands of posts.... |
| 14:53.08 | binky | Temporary gailure resolving 'repository.maemo.org' D'oh! |
| 14:55.08 | qwerty12 | feels like ripping apart my only xbox controller and shoving standard usb port on the end so I can connect to my N800. Fanoush has the module in his module pack |
| 14:55.47 | aquatix | is thinking about using his wiimote for mouse pointer or something |
| 14:55.56 | binky | Bye, I liked so much, this channel, Is my first time with IRC =) |
| 14:56.09 | aquatix | binky: see you! |
| 14:56.13 | aquatix | meh |
| 14:58.14 | qwerty12 | So who wants to join me in making Linuxxx: Tux Strip edition? |
| 15:00.33 | Khertan_TheReal | huhu ... there is a port of conky |
| 15:00.52 | qwerty12 | Tis was a half arsed compile put together by me :P |
| 15:01.14 | Khertan_TheReal | lol ... i see that you have compiled qwerty12 |
| 15:01.21 | Khertan_TheReal | arf ... not really surprised :) |
| 15:01.56 | qwerty12 | I actually made some improvements on it but it got deleted from my shift from AndLinux to Ubuntu :) |
| 15:02.01 | Khertan_TheReal | this was just for fortune ? |
| 15:02.23 | qwerty12 | Nah, I liked the effect on my desktop, and I thought it would be nice on a tablet too |
| 15:02.37 | qwerty12 | Shame matchbox is a little dodgy :/ |
| 15:02.59 | Khertan_TheReal | ? |
| 15:03.47 | Khertan_TheReal | arg double buffer don't work ? |
| 15:04.06 | qwerty12 | I was messing around with a way to get it to draw on the desktop and be movable but matchbox only believes in one window at a time so it drawed it in some ugly white windows |
| 15:04.09 | qwerty12 | *window |
| 15:04.11 | qwerty12 | Nope :( |
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| 15:06.21 | Khertan_TheReal | hum ... |
| 15:09.04 | Khertan_TheReal | qwerty12 > help your users : http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19905&page=5 |
| 15:09.05 | Khertan_TheReal | :) |
| 15:10.06 | qwerty12 | mrlanrat's website is up again and I did say it had to be installed in red pill mode :P (and no, I'm not shoving user/ in the section) |
| 15:10.39 | qwerty12 | reminisces over that KDE picture and remembers how running KDE in a loopfs sucked. |
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| 15:11.35 | RST38h | moo all |
| 15:12.05 | qwerty12 | cuts RST38h and eats him. He says hi before that though. |
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| 15:13.00 | RST38h | you should cook you meat before eating it |
| 15:14.03 | qwerty12 | Vhat iz diz cook u r on about? I eat raw. |
| 15:14.12 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Debian installer round 2 :P |
| 15:14.22 | RST38h | cannibal! |
| 15:14.38 | GeneralAntilles | Thanks, sp3000! |
| 15:14.48 | qwerty12 | munches on a spare arm lying around |
| 15:15.03 | RST38h | Somehow, running kde sucked even without loopfs... |
| 15:15.08 | sp3000 | it's slightly short notice though ;) |
| 15:15.19 | RST38h | qwerty: arm9 or arm11? |
| 15:15.37 | GeneralAntilles | sp3000, my other hope was that people interested enough would be paying attention to -community, the wiki and the sprints. |
| 15:15.56 | qwerty12 | RST38h: arm666 |
| 15:16.10 | RST38h | qwerty: and has it got jazelle?=) |
| 15:16.30 | qwerty12 | No, it's got flameinferno |
| 15:16.34 | GeneralAntilles | That's the CPU qwerty12 built with 2lbs of assorted resistors. |
| 15:17.04 | RST38h | neural design indeed |
| 15:17.05 | qwerty12 | I had some help from my friend and he wanted it named after himself... |
| 15:17.07 | sp3000 | GeneralAntilles: dunno what the subscriber base of -community looks like, but I think it's more poeple interested in hacking on the community, less people hacking in the community |
| 15:17.17 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: k, still osso-xterm? i havent looked at it yet :P |
| 15:17.50 | Atarii | anyone here got a 770 with 2006OS? |
| 15:18.07 | GeneralAntilles | OS2006 sucks. :P |
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| 15:18.19 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: I'll head onto KotC's site and grab aterm & xvkbd |
| 15:18.40 | Atarii | indeed GeneralAntilles, but i need to find out what version of xserver it has |
| 15:18.58 | qwerty12 | Atarii: Go to the codename folder in the maemo repo's |
| 15:19.12 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: k, looking into it.. my xterm cant even backspace in shell in osso-xterm |
| 15:19.26 | qwerty12 | Atarii: For example, for diablo: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/x/xorg-server/ |
| 15:19.32 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: :) |
| 15:19.42 | Atarii | qwerty12 good idea thanks :p |
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| 15:19.46 | RST38h | wonders if two passes through the same address in code indicate a busy loop wait |
| 15:19.59 | RST38h | given that all registers are the same |
| 15:23.51 | crashanddie | bleh |
| 15:24.05 | crashanddie | libhildonmime's documentation is virtually non-existent |
| 15:25.58 | GeneralAntilles | Woo, 1,000 Thanks! |
| 15:26.44 | qwerty12 | presses remove button and makes it 999 :P |
| 15:26.57 | qwerty12 | For about 10 seconds because someone else presses it |
| 15:28.09 | sjgadsby | Hrm. It's time to put real pressure on Reggie for that "No Thanks!" button. |
| 15:28.21 | GeneralAntilles | Then I'll get -1,000 |
| 15:28.28 | sjgadsby | In two days. |
| 15:28.29 | GeneralAntilles | First on both ends! |
| 15:28.31 | GeneralAntilles | Woo! |
| 15:28.41 | GeneralAntilles | sjgadsby, I give it 8 hours. |
| 15:28.51 | GeneralAntilles | All the WFTs of the world will come pouring back in. |
| 15:29.18 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: got a six, sec |
| 15:29.20 | Stskeeps | fix |
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| 15:29.57 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: I haven't started yet, i'm installing xvkbd and aterm so I guess I got time :) |
| 15:30.37 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: svn up when time is of installer |
| 15:30.46 | Stskeeps | it has a backspace fix now, you can test using screen -c template-screenrc |
| 15:30.56 | qwerty12 | Great, can I checkout now? |
| 15:31.56 | Stskeeps | yeah, think so |
| 15:32.09 | Stskeeps | test template-screenrc first before installing ;) |
| 15:32.12 | qwerty12 | Good, because xvkbd crapped out on me in Diablo >.< |
| 15:32.42 | Khertan_TheReal | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22141 <<< very funny ... |
| 15:33.05 | Khertan_TheReal | the main problem is still between the chair and the screen ... |
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| 15:33.36 | qwerty12 | Their ass? |
| 15:35.35 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Just out of question, is the first fat partition on the mmc mounted automatically? (I plan on making init script to swapon my .swap file so it's useful to know beforehand :)) |
| 15:36.11 | GeneralAntilles | Khertan_TheReal, I still can't wrap my head around that one. |
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| 15:37.21 | GeneralAntilles | Khertan_TheReal, you get dpkg-buildpackage sorted? |
| 15:37.34 | Khertan_TheReal | GeneralAntilles> yes by ssh ... |
| 15:37.46 | Khertan_TheReal | mainly an temporary solution ... |
| 15:38.18 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Hmm, fix doesn't seem to be working for me, got another program I can test with except for passwd? |
| 15:38.19 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 15:38.45 | Khertan_TheReal | GeneralAntilles > i ll try a bit more ... with the repository for the sdk |
| 15:38.56 | Khertan_TheReal | but i think i ll brick my n810 again :) |
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| 15:40.54 | GeneralAntilles | Khertan_TheReal, bootable backup! |
| 15:41.42 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: not in debian mounted i think (mmc fat) |
| 15:42.12 | qwerty12 | Ta, I'll get it to mount that at /media/something too :) |
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| 15:43.25 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Fix doesn't work, I just confirmed it at the mirror selection part. Unless you updated after I checked out :) |
| 15:43.51 | GAN800 | Khertan, either that, or find a team of gullable minions with tablets and make them test for you. :P |
| 15:44.49 | GAN800 | Nokia can probably tell you all you need to know about that strategy. *g* |
| 15:45.14 | qwerty12 | Ha |
| 15:45.30 | GAN800 | qwerty12, how's the XChat with spell check going? |
| 15:45.36 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: blah :/ try with another term then |
| 15:46.04 | qwerty12 | GAN800: Made the packages but it won't do it :(. I plan on trying again sometime :/ |
| 15:46.10 | GAN800 | Think I should file an enhancement request for a global spellcheck framework? |
| 15:46.26 | GeneralAntilles | What do they use on Linux? |
| 15:46.39 | qwerty12 | I'd like that :). Could be integrated into hildon-input-method. |
| 15:46.43 | qwerty12 | aspell, enchant iirc |
| 15:46.55 | jott | GeneralAntilles: aspell ispell myspell you name it ;) |
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| 15:47.13 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody familiar with Linux spellcheck frameworks should probably file it. |
| 15:48.12 | jott | well i guess it might make more sense to push this on the upstream gtk front ... |
| 15:48.17 | jott | don't know about the situation there.. |
| 15:48.27 | lbt | May be of interest: Royal mail are releasing their entire Postcode data for a govt 'competition' not 'free' but.... http://www.showusabetterway.co.uk/call/data.html#mail |
| 15:49.07 | qwerty12 | Haha, if address are included, this could make for some good knock down ginger... |
| 15:49.52 | johnx | I think gtk has a spellcheck framework |
| 15:49.57 | johnx | is it just not used on maemo? |
| 15:50.05 | MangoFusion | lbt: app idea: insert post code, provide driving directions. |
| 15:50.08 | MangoFusion | oh wait.. err |
| 15:50.12 | MangoFusion | already done. darn |
| 15:50.17 | MangoFusion | too late |
| 15:50.19 | qwerty12 | johnx: gtkspell? I'm sure that's seperate |
| 15:50.31 | crashanddie | johnx, aspell ? |
| 15:50.42 | lbt | MangoFusion: "public information" |
| 15:50.44 | crashanddie | johnx, at least, I use aspell on my computer |
| 15:50.45 | jott | aspell is generic |
| 15:50.56 | johnx | i dunno, but I seem to have spellchecking in every gtk app that works exactly the same... |
| 15:50.58 | lbt | as in 'free' (or at least, paid for by taxes) |
| 15:51.02 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3071 |
| 15:51.04 | johnx | or is it actually a gnome thing? |
| 15:51.05 | jott | there has to be some abstraction/binding to gtk.. |
| 15:51.12 | qwerty12 | libsexy and gtkspell provides gtk spelling iirc |
| 15:51.27 | johnx | qwerty12, that could be it then. I guess it's just commonly used... |
| 15:51.32 | jott | libsexy from the makers of libpr0n ? |
| 15:51.48 | crashanddie | why is it I always happen to stride across the only libs that are not documented ? Djeezus |
| 15:51.48 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Hmm. Time for vte/osso-xterm changes me thinks... |
| 15:51.50 | lbt | http://www.showusabetterway.co.uk/call/data.html#ons Neigbourhood stats .... N800 screams loudly in high crime areas... |
| 15:52.25 | qwerty12 | jott: Hmm, what happens if I LD_PRELOAD libpr0n into my terminal? |
| 15:52.30 | lbt | or keeps up a running commentary on house prices as you pass them... |
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| 15:52.43 | jott | qwerty12: you pervert :P |
| 15:53.03 | qwerty12 | What have you got against my second name... :( :P |
| 15:53.24 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: try editing the templ screenrc to have that bind instead if the existing |
| 15:53.27 | lbt | crashanddie: try developing a C++ app for hildon... that'll show you "not documented" |
| 15:53.50 | crashanddie | lbt, thank you, I did, and I thought gtkmm was pretty well documented |
| 15:54.23 | crashanddie | lbt, try to find any kind of info about libhildonmime :P |
| 15:54.29 | lbt | I said hildon.... |
| 15:55.06 | lbt | 'use the source' crashanddie |
| 15:55.10 | lbt | oh, wait. |
| 15:55.13 | qwerty12 | crashanddie: what are you exactly trying to do? |
| 15:55.36 | crashanddie | qwerty12, just trying to find an easy way to load the default app for a given file |
| 15:55.52 | crashanddie | qwerty12, basically, what I want is the behaviour of gnome-open myfile.txt |
| 15:56.04 | MangoFusion | lbt: Nearest hospital... automatic dial-in to arrange an appointment to cure IT addiction |
| 15:56.04 | qwerty12 | Arrgh, too much energy drinks. Made me too hyped. |
| 15:56.15 | qwerty12 | crashanddie: sounds a bit like that mime-open app |
| 15:56.27 | crashanddie | what mime-open app ? |
| 15:57.29 | qwerty12 | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/38021?search_string=mime-open |
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| 15:58.13 | jott | or just run-mailcap :p |
| 16:01.07 | crashanddie | jott, mailcap is a PITA to configure first |
| 16:01.21 | jott | crashanddie: pfff :P |
| 16:01.25 | jott | whiner :P |
| 16:01.46 | GeneralAntilles | is baffled by this light fixture. |
| 16:01.59 | crashanddie | jott, feck off :P I asked you if there was something like it on maemo, you ignored :P |
| 16:02.41 | jott | i told you run-mailcap :) |
| 16:02.52 | jott | but i guess this mime-open is fine too |
| 16:03.04 | Sargun | What graphics processor does the N810 have in it? |
| 16:03.24 | crashanddie | Sargun, nVidia 9800 Ultra x2 in SLI |
| 16:03.38 | Sargun | funny |
| 16:03.41 | qwerty12 | crashanddie: NOW you tell me |
| 16:03.49 | crashanddie | me |
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| 16:04.27 | crashanddie | qwerty12, if you have any idea how to compile that app, I'd love it xD |
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| 16:04.50 | qwerty12 | crashanddie: which app? :P. mime-open's already got a deb :) |
| 16:04.58 | crashanddie | :/ |
| 16:04.58 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: any luck? |
| 16:05.19 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: I'm trying again, I shall use the wonders of copy and paste :) |
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| 16:06.22 | Stskeeps | with the change from bugs.maemo in tempÃl screenrc? |
| 16:06.31 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, do it right. |
| 16:06.41 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Nah, can't be bothered :) |
| 16:06.47 | Stskeeps | k |
| 16:06.53 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, ? |
| 16:07.00 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, hanging myself ? |
| 16:07.10 | GeneralAntilles | That's one option, yes. |
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| 16:07.22 | GeneralAntilles | It'd be more manly i you strangled yourself, though. |
| 16:07.24 | Stskeeps | ill include fix in svn then and hope it works:P |
| 16:07.26 | qwerty12 | crashanddie: If you do that, please leave your magic stuff in your will to me |
| 16:07.37 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody want to help my arrive at some sort of consensus here: https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Ext2_file_system_on_flash_card_partition ? |
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| 16:08.04 | crashanddie | qwerty12, sadly, mime_open doesn't work :D |
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| 16:08.37 | GeneralAntilles | Is this useful, crashanddie? http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15194 |
| 16:08.47 | qwerty12 | crashanddie: >.<, what app are you trying to get to work? maemo gets sprung over dbus quite a bit :/ |
| 16:09.14 | crashanddie | qwerty12, I just want to be able to open a god damned file, without caring about which program will open it |
| 16:09.26 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, no, it's not |
| 16:09.45 | GeneralAntilles | Uh, isn't that exactly what that switchboard thing does, though? |
| 16:10.11 | qwerty12 | switchboard wants a list of applications it will open, crashanddie wants the system to figure it out itself |
| 16:10.24 | crashanddie | because it already does... |
| 16:10.26 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 16:10.32 | GeneralAntilles | goodluckwiththat |
| 16:10.41 | crashanddie | I mean, when you open a file in File Manager, it knows which program to use, right ? |
| 16:10.54 | GeneralAntilles | Scream at it really loudly. |
| 16:10.57 | GeneralAntilles | I bet that will work. |
| 16:11.14 | qwerty12 | crashanddie: It looks up defaults.list iirc |
| 16:11.24 | crashanddie | qwerty12, I think the time-out is too short on mime_open... I get the banner "Images-Loading", but it dies too soon |
| 16:12.06 | qwerty12 | Hmm, if you are used to *really* long dbus-send commands, you can do it with that too... |
| 16:12.47 | johnx | or map all files to being opened with a shell script |
| 16:12.54 | johnx | then throw the logic in the shell script :) |
| 16:13.02 | crashanddie | heh |
| 16:13.22 | crashanddie | I have this open_url which works fine: http://slexy.org/view/s21OAr8ioG |
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| 16:13.42 | crashanddie | heh |
| 16:13.46 | smyows | how to flash my new kernel an my modules into n800? |
| 16:13.56 | crashanddie | when I started out this morning, I thought "how hard can it be ?" |
| 16:14.21 | johnx | smyows, modules go in initfs, kernel gets flashed with flasher |
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| 16:14.57 | smyows | initfs is read only? |
| 16:15.10 | qwerty12 | You can remount rw in diablo |
| 16:15.33 | qwerty12 | But it's probably better to shove them in /lib/modules/ etc on the rootfs |
| 16:16.14 | johnx | qwerty12, if he rebuilt all the base modules he probably needs them in initfs, right? |
| 16:16.14 | smyows | hmm |
| 16:16.32 | smyows | my new kernel size is 1676k |
| 16:16.41 | smyows | is bigger to put on n800? |
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| 16:17.27 | qwerty12 | johnx: Hmm, depends, for base modules, I would say you are right but for the extra ones, I'd put them in /lib/etc but I don't know what modules he compiled so I'm making assumptions :> |
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| 16:18.14 | johnx | qwerty12, I'm guessing too :) |
| 16:18.25 | johnx | smyows, which is it? base modules or extra modules? |
| 16:18.59 | smyows | so.. my modules is compiled with a new kernel config |
| 16:19.10 | Khertan_n810 | bye |
| 16:19.51 | smyows | make modules_install, have installed the modules into /lib/modules/2.6...... |
| 16:20.03 | smyows | in my sbox |
| 16:20.34 | smyows | i ll copy to sd card and put in /lib/modules too? |
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| 16:21.32 | johnx | uhm...you need to have at least the same modules with the same name as those that are in initfs now in initfs |
| 16:22.07 | smyows | hmm |
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| 16:22.37 | smyows | is possible to reflash kernel into n800? |
| 16:22.59 | johnx | smyows, yes |
| 16:23.11 | smyows | :D cool |
| 16:26.18 | qwerty12 | ym, shitty ati, graphics corruption. ctrl+alt+backspace for me :/ |
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| 16:30.08 | smyows | i try to move actual modules but is read only fs |
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| 16:30.49 | johnx | smyows, yes it is |
| 16:30.56 | johnx | you need to remount it with rw |
| 16:31.00 | smyows | hmm |
| 16:31.38 | smyows | umount /dev/root ; mount -o rw /dev/root /mnt/initfs |
| 16:31.45 | smyows | is it? |
| 16:31.54 | qwerty12 | hell no |
| 16:31.58 | johnx | heh |
| 16:32.08 | smyows | :P |
| 16:32.13 | qwerty12 | dsme will blow your tablet to bits :P |
| 16:32.15 | smyows | dummy is a big problem |
| 16:32.23 | qwerty12 | mount -o rw,remount /mnt/initfs |
| 16:32.30 | smyows | uauhhuau |
| 16:32.30 | qwerty12 | (ta hrw) |
| 16:32.40 | smyows | thx |
| 16:33.27 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
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| 16:33.50 | smyows | if my kernel is wrong compiled is possible to reinstall os2008? |
| 16:33.59 | johnx | smyows, of course |
| 16:34.04 | GeneralAntilles | Apple sent me a boilerplate "Here are the fucking support articles you fucking idiot" email in response to my "your stupid 'standards compliant' shit is no such thing" |
| 16:34.13 | smyows | so, let's go |
| 16:35.48 | qwerty12 | flasher-3.0 -F --flash-only=initfs,kernel <diablo flash image> or something like that should sort you out if you fcuk up |
| 16:35.55 | crashanddie | could anyone install http://andrew.triumf.ca/N810/repository/dists/chinook/user/binary-armel/mime-open.deb and see if they can open a file ? |
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| 16:36.00 | Blafasel | qwerty12: Having ATI driver issues as well? Hrmpf.. |
| 16:36.43 | zfigz | wow, the gps on the n810 seriously sucks |
| 16:36.50 | zfigz | it still takes half a year to find a location |
| 16:37.14 | smyows | qwerty12, my kernel have 1.7m , is bigger to reflash? |
| 16:37.14 | crashanddie | zfigz, have you tried A-GPS ? |
| 16:37.15 | qwerty12 | Blafasel: Yeah :(. Run a screensaver and screen starts flickering like crazy. Can't see the enter password prompt and when I do enter it, everything's double and pixelated and I can't see anything. ctrl-alt-backspace made everything normal and of course, the xserver restarted :/ |
| 16:37.30 | zfigz | A-GPS didn't seem to work very well/. |
| 16:37.33 | zfigz | It was just a map |
| 16:37.44 | crashanddie | zfigz, did you point at your current location ? |
| 16:38.16 | Blafasel | qwerty12: I know the troubles.. Might even switch soon. |
| 16:38.16 | zfigz | hmm maybe i'll try installing it here again |
| 16:38.23 | zfigz | i just uninstalled it and it didn't seem to do much |
| 16:38.40 | crashanddie | lol |
| 16:38.56 | crashanddie | "3 different guys told me to use A-GPS, but I can't make it work, so it seriously sucks" |
| 16:39.04 | Blafasel | zfigz: To my limited understanding the a/gps app just lets you (re)set the last fix point (which is updated with every fix afterwards) |
| 16:39.27 | zfigz | So I'd use both Maemo Mapper "and" A-GPS? |
| 16:39.43 | Blafasel | Which in turn helps (if you have network access) to get a list of sats in view for your location -> speed increase |
| 16:39.54 | johnx | zfigz, http://www.nokia.com/A41163987 |
| 16:40.09 | Blafasel | In a way. You only start the app though if you moved far away from your last fix.. |
| 16:40.09 | crashanddie | zfigz, just launch A-GPS, be connected to the internet, point to your location (roughly), start the GPS (be it Maemo Mapper or Map), and you'll get a fix within a minute |
| 16:40.19 | Proteous | a-gps sucks, it ate all my fries |
| 16:40.40 | GeneralAntilles | That bastard! |
| 16:40.41 | Proteous | all I was left with was a puddle of katsup |
| 16:40.50 | crashanddie | my record from cold boot is 18 seconds using A-GPS |
| 16:40.55 | GeneralAntilles | steels Proteous's katsup while he's not looking. |
| 16:40.59 | Proteous | cries |
| 16:41.07 | GeneralAntilles | s/steels/steals/ |
| 16:41.09 | Proteous | lol |
| 16:41.13 | zfigz | so you need an internet connection eh? |
| 16:41.29 | qwerty12 | Sounds like a lolcat situation... |
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| 16:41.32 | Blafasel | zfigz: Exactly. wifi or packet data |
| 16:41.36 | zfigz | oh ok |
| 16:41.39 | GeneralAntilles | Steels might be fun, too, though |
| 16:41.41 | zfigz | so the gps is pretty faulty |
| 16:41.41 | crashanddie | zfigz, yeah, amazing eh, on an internet tablet, who'd have thought of it |
| 16:41.44 | GeneralAntilles | Then you just have a puddle of cold metal. |
| 16:41.48 | Blafasel | zfigz: Huh? |
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| 16:42.00 | zfigz | You 'have' to have the internet to use the gps, right? |
| 16:42.03 | Blafasel | No |
| 16:42.10 | qwerty12 | I love drinking Mercury. |
| 16:42.21 | crashanddie | qwerty12, I prefer a good Jupiter |
| 16:42.31 | qwerty12 | crashanddie: I lik venus |
| 16:42.31 | Blafasel | You have to have a connection for a-gps, packet data or wifi. |
| 16:42.32 | smyows | i need to install kernel-diablo-flasher or fiasco-flasher |
| 16:42.39 | qwerty12 | apt-get -f install |
| 16:42.39 | crashanddie | qwerty12, you lick Venus ? |
| 16:42.40 | GeneralAntilles | should probably put together some notes for the Bugzilla meeting. |
| 16:42.46 | Proteous | when you are in range of known access points the GPS can use that to figure out what the nearby GPS sats are and get a fix faster |
| 16:42.50 | qwerty12 | crashanddie: hell yes |
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| 16:46.00 | zfigz | eh |
| 16:46.04 | zfigz | gps still isn't working |
| 16:46.08 | zfigz | i think i'm just gonna trash it all |
| 16:46.22 | zfigz | Establishing GPS fix . . . . . . . . . . . forver |
| 16:46.24 | GeneralAntilles | Go outside |
| 16:46.26 | Proteous | maybe go outside |
| 16:46.32 | crashanddie | lol |
| 16:46.38 | GeneralAntilles | You don't get fixes beneath a roof. |
| 16:46.38 | GNUton | Hello |
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| 16:46.56 | crashanddie | zfigz, you for real ? Or you just the same troll from the forums ? |
| 16:47.05 | MangoFusion | outside? i hate to go outside? nooooooooooo! |
| 16:47.08 | MangoFusion | *have |
| 16:47.19 | crashanddie | MangoFusion, it worked :P |
| 16:47.22 | Proteous | FROM INSIDE MY FARADAY CAGE I CAN'T A GPS FIX WTF!!! THIS THING SUCKS" |
| 16:47.34 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, he's just a figment of your disturbed mind. |
| 16:48.01 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, you know where you can figment my disturbed mind ? :D |
| 16:48.01 | zfigz | no troll here |
| 16:48.11 | GeneralAntilles | I'm not sure if it's a lot of people or just one person, but I keep seeing people telling me I have a disturbed mind on itT. |
| 16:48.23 | GeneralAntilles | My disturbed mind wonders who let the other personalities out. |
| 16:48.24 | Proteous | well, it's true |
| 16:48.43 | GeneralAntilles | My house really is a faraday cage |
| 16:48.47 | qwerty12 | It's all in your head... |
| 16:48.49 | GeneralAntilles | lead paint and plaster walls. |
| 16:49.11 | zfigz | so yeah... |
| 16:49.13 | zfigz | I open agps |
| 16:49.16 | zfigz | then maemo mapper |
| 16:49.17 | zfigz | and nothing |
| 16:49.25 | GeneralAntilles | OUTSIDE. |
| 16:49.36 | zfigz | I should go outside? |
| 16:49.50 | GeneralAntilles | No, stay inside |
| 16:49.54 | GeneralAntilles | outside is hot and no AC |
| 16:49.58 | GeneralAntilles | You don't want to go outside |
| 16:50.04 | qwerty12 | This is one of the rare times where gtfo literally applies :P |
| 16:50.12 | GeneralAntilles | uses liqbase to take notes. |
| 16:50.15 | GeneralAntilles | Hear that luck? :P |
| 16:50.40 | GNUton | :) |
| 16:50.47 | smyows | :/ my n800 is in loop |
| 16:50.48 | GNUton | is liqbase packaged? |
| 16:51.00 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 16:51.05 | sp3000 | eek, there actually is a luick too |
| 16:51.05 | GNUton | why not? O_o |
| 16:51.05 | qwerty12 | Nay, you have to unzip it yourself |
| 16:51.08 | sp3000 | luck even |
| 16:51.25 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk! |
| 16:51.27 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 16:51.39 | qwerty12 | GNUton: People from the north have trouble using dpkg-buildpackage :P |
| 16:51.41 | GeneralAntilles | GNUton, because lcuk is a Linucks newb. ;) |
| 16:51.51 | GeneralAntilles | Leenucks |
| 16:51.57 | qwerty12 | Leesnuts |
| 16:51.59 | GNUton | qwerty12: ahha :) I think so |
| 16:52.08 | GeneralAntilles | leencuks teg |
| 16:52.29 | GeneralAntilles | Everybody laugh at lcuk's accent: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUPp_mE7rwI |
| 16:52.35 | lcuk | qwerty12, :) if its so easy please be my guest and show me how its done |
| 16:52.55 | qwerty12 | Me was laughing for a long time. I have the same accent, just a *lot* less |
| 16:52.57 | GNUton | GeneralAntilles: My accent is more funny!!! |
| 16:53.02 | lcuk | but you will first have to sort out the /install section of the makefile and decide where all the files are going |
| 16:53.17 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe, GNUton, but do you have any cool YouTube vids? :P |
| 16:53.17 | qwerty12 | lcuk: Give me your debian folder so far :P :) |
| 16:53.30 | lcuk | ok gimme a mo |
| 16:53.33 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, ~/.liqbase |
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| 16:53.44 | GNUton | GeneralAntilles: not yet.. you all are lucky!!! |
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| 16:53.54 | anddam | hi again |
| 16:53.56 | GeneralAntilles | not ~/_aqd or whatever it is. :P |
| 16:54.00 | anddam | anyone around with a 770? |
| 16:54.11 | qwerty12 | has an android vid, except I ain't speaking on it :P |
| 16:54.22 | lcuk | errrrr how do i checkout my own source? |
| 16:54.23 | GeneralAntilles | spotted a qwerty12 in that one. |
| 16:54.29 | lcuk | JOKING |
| 16:54.30 | GeneralAntilles | svn checkout |
| 16:54.32 | anddam | qwerty12: vid as in video ? |
| 16:54.41 | qwerty12 | anddam: yea |
| 16:54.47 | zfigz | yeah....still establishing gps fix |
| 16:54.55 | zfigz | my gps is whack |
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| 16:55.55 | qwerty12 | lcuk: oh, it's in svn? I can check it out from here :) |
| 16:56.32 | GNUton | lcuk: where do you live? |
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| 16:56.53 | qwerty12 | Somewhere where the people talk odd |
| 16:57.08 | lcuk | qwerty12, the /debian isnt in there |
| 16:57.20 | qwerty12 | I have a choice of going there or halifax this friday :/, oh will the torture of the dodgy voices neva end? :P |
| 16:57.42 | lcuk | im gonna regrab whats there, add the debian folder and put it back |
| 16:57.46 | qwerty12 | lcuk: ahh |
| 16:57.51 | lcuk | the current source isnt exactly in a perfect state |
| 16:58.12 | lbt | does it build? |
| 16:58.24 | lcuk | manchester |
| 16:58.36 | GeneralAntilles | does it blend? |
| 16:58.40 | lcuk | lbt - yes but theres stuff in there im not happy with yet and will change |
| 16:58.43 | GNUton | lcuk: ok thanks |
| 16:58.54 | lcuk | so im not puttin it up till ive tested and am comfortable with |
| 16:59.09 | Blafasel | branch! |
| 16:59.27 | lbt | I was hoping to buid and use it tomorrow... |
| 16:59.28 | GNUton | GeneralAntilles: I think that he have a perfect english accent.. or not? |
| 16:59.33 | Blafasel | That way you have the revision history at least. |
| 16:59.35 | lbt | s/buid/build/ |
| 16:59.44 | qwerty12 | GNUton: ell no :P |
| 17:00.14 | lcuk | Blafasel, i have revision history anyway, nightlies go up into a private tar.gz :) |
| 17:00.37 | lcuk | now, lemme get this network connected and ill sort out for qwerty |
| 17:00.39 | Blafasel | lcuk: Okay. Hard to diff those in a sensible way for me, but ;) |
| 17:01.07 | GNUton | qwerty12: no ? ok.. ok, so I hope that anyone of you never hear my accent!! I´m italian and my english accent is really orrible! |
| 17:01.09 | lcuk | :) ive got surprises planned and they arent exactly surprises if everyone is looking now are they |
| 17:01.36 | lcuk | gahhhh xchat popup baloons have gone mad |
| 17:01.47 | qwerty12 | lcuk: lets make them more mad |
| 17:01.49 | qwerty12 | lcuk: 1 |
| 17:01.50 | qwerty12 | lcuk: 2 |
| 17:01.52 | qwerty12 | lcuk: 3 |
| 17:01.53 | qwerty12 | :P |
| 17:02.03 | lcuk | they only pop when ive not got window to front you numpty |
| 17:02.10 | qwerty12 | asshat :P |
| 17:02.22 | lcuk | wannabe southernboy |
| 17:02.28 | qwerty12 | besides, it's been a while since I used libnotify :P |
| 17:02.49 | lcuk | although you are annoying me every few seconds by telling me its in svn and you will check it out |
| 17:03.19 | *** join/#maemo lcuk (i=lcuk@cpc1-oldh7-0-0-cust232.manc.cable.ntl.com) |
| 17:03.30 | lcuk | see if that helps |
| 17:03.52 | qwerty12 | It didn't. I'm still here. |
| 17:04.08 | lcuk | lol |
| 17:04.16 | lcuk | qwerty12, where are you expecting the binary to go itno |
| 17:04.25 | crashanddie | bleeeeh, why doesn't hildon_mime_open_file() work :'( |
| 17:04.44 | Blafasel | What does 'Doesn't work' mean? Just curious. |
| 17:04.56 | qwerty12 | lcuk: no idea, I just wanna get the debian folder with the sources :/ so I can find out where the binary goes :/ |
| 17:05.05 | lcuk | directly into /use/bin or into its own folder somewhere? cos currently i have a /sh to start it |
| 17:05.11 | crashanddie | Blafasel, the banner pops up, showing "APPNAME-Loading", but then the banner just dies |
| 17:05.24 | Blafasel | qwerty12: Part of his problem(s) is figuring out where they SHOULD go, to my understanding at least. |
| 17:05.37 | qwerty12 | lcuk: oh, /usr is the norm so I guess I'd try there :) |
| 17:05.38 | lcuk | dpkg takes its input from the "make install" |
| 17:05.47 | qwerty12 | Blafasel: Yep, just realised >.< |
| 17:05.47 | lcuk | there is no make install section |
| 17:06.03 | lcuk | runs from source folder |
| 17:06.04 | qwerty12 | I'll j00k one from another project :P |
| 17:06.34 | crashanddie | hmm |
| 17:06.37 | madhav | lcuk: ping |
| 17:06.40 | crashanddie | time to light a fag |
| 17:06.40 | lcuk | the problem ive had is looking at other projects files are splattered around |
| 17:06.51 | crashanddie | dusts off the blowtorch, and heads to the basement |
| 17:07.04 | lcuk | crashanddie, when you return you can pleassssssssssse help me |
| 17:07.11 | madhav | lcuk: there is some problem with xsp..on my device.. |
| 17:07.50 | crashanddie | lcuk, I can try |
| 17:07.51 | madhav | lcuk: u got any idea, how to enable xsp extension.. |
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| 17:08.16 | qwerty12 | lcuk: I'll see what I can do as far as the install stuff goes. I'll see if I can make an quick sudoers file too. |
| 17:08.16 | lcuk | it should be enabled by default from what i recall? |
| 17:08.30 | lcuk | qwerty12, :) bonus gimme 2 then |
| 17:09.02 | qwerty12 | Just waiting for the debian folder to show up :) |
| 17:09.19 | madhav | i checked xorg-xserver build configuration..its --disable-xsp in kernel flags.. |
| 17:09.23 | crashanddie | qwerty12, you running diablo ? |
| 17:09.31 | qwerty12 | crashanddie: yeah |
| 17:09.40 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, read up on POSIX. :P |
| 17:09.59 | lcuk | yes GeneralAntilles, that helps me when people are clamoring for things |
| 17:10.04 | zfigz | so how exactly do i get maemo mapper and a gps to work ? |
| 17:10.13 | lcuk | stops for 6 months to read a few books and become one with unix |
| 17:10.20 | GeneralAntilles | The POSIX filesystem specs will be a good starting point |
| 17:10.26 | madhav | lcuk: ? |
| 17:10.51 | lcuk | madhav, gimme a minute here please |
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| 17:11.02 | crashanddie | qwerty12, http://undercity.doesntexist.com/~crashanddie/hildon-open <-- download that, and try to open a .txt file with it (chmod +x hildon-open && ./hildon-open mytextfile.txt) |
| 17:11.18 | crashanddie | lcuk, you still on chinook ? |
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| 17:11.28 | lcuk | yes |
| 17:11.29 | qwerty12 | I would love to try but I'm currently installing debian atm :/. CPU = 100% |
| 17:11.39 | crashanddie | qwerty12, hmm, ok |
| 17:11.59 | crashanddie | lcuk, can you do what I just told q to do ? |
| 17:12.15 | GeneralAntilles | wikipedia had an article that I can't find now. :\ |
| 17:12.21 | lcuk | crashanddie, which is? |
| 17:12.34 | crashanddie | lcuk, http://undercity.doesntexist.com/~crashanddie/hildon-open <-- download that, and try to open a .txt file with it (chmod +x hildon-open && ./hildon-open mytextfile.txt) |
| 17:12.49 | qwerty12 | madhav: in diablo xorg-server, it's set to --enable-xsp |
| 17:12.51 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, there it is. |
| 17:12.53 | GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard |
| 17:13.02 | lcuk | crashanddie, i can as soon as i push this update to svn for qwerty |
| 17:13.10 | crashanddie | k |
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| 17:14.18 | zanshin | Hi everybody, I would like to install debian on my nokia 770, but I can't find it on linserver.no-ip.biz no more. What would be the best resource to learn how to install debian on a N770? |
| 17:14.57 | GeneralAntilles | OK, miscellaneous bugzilla stuff |
| 17:15.04 | GeneralAntilles | Bug Jar and the new wiki plugin |
| 17:15.08 | GeneralAntilles | Triaging guide |
| 17:15.10 | zanshin | Or is there a howto to install it with debootstrap? |
| 17:15.12 | Stskeeps | zanshin: well, we've started a debian for nit tablets project in general and if you want to play guneia pig and help out with getting it working for 770 too, you're welcome :) http://trac.tspre.org/projects/nit-debian |
| 17:15.18 | lcuk | ok |
| 17:15.20 | GeneralAntilles | Guided submission form for people without canconfirm |
| 17:15.27 | GeneralAntilles | I know I'm missing a bunch of stuff. . . . |
| 17:15.30 | lcuk | as long as i havent ballsed anything up i think i am updating svn |
| 17:15.52 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, is that the list for the discussion later on ? |
| 17:15.58 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 17:16.11 | GeneralAntilles | Mostly just notes for stuff we need to hit |
| 17:16.14 | zanshin | Stskeeps: Ok I'll have a look |
| 17:16.34 | lcuk | craptastic. im gonna get the laptop setup for scratch-frikkin-box :) |
| 17:16.37 | GeneralAntilles | It's more of an informal get together |
| 17:16.50 | lcuk | theres a few "extra" files in the debian folder |
| 17:16.52 | GeneralAntilles | We're sorta failing at having all the right people together in the same place otherwise. |
| 17:16.56 | lcuk | i believe they would be temp files |
| 17:17.36 | zanshin | Stskeeps: I read it shout be possible to use debian for 880, but that one doesn'y boot. I got multiboot working but it hangs on boot. |
| 17:17.44 | GeneralAntilles | 880? |
| 17:17.51 | crashanddie | 8x0 |
| 17:18.24 | zanshin | yes :) sorry |
| 17:18.45 | Stskeeps | zanshin: i think we require fanoush's initfs atleast (referred to on page), and then we can see what happens :P |
| 17:18.46 | lcuk | nice! |
| 17:19.02 | zanshin | Got that :) |
| 17:19.03 | qwerty12 | lcuk: enjoy. remember to do the vdso and mmap fix if installing on ubuntu hard |
| 17:19.08 | zfigz | Is there any trick to getting Maemo Mapper and A GPS to work? |
| 17:19.09 | lcuk | ive just been sent an email with >1000 names details and credit card stuff |
| 17:19.27 | crashanddie | lcuk, awesome ! |
| 17:19.30 | zfigz | lcukm lucky you |
| 17:19.30 | crashanddie | lcuk, slexy it ! |
| 17:19.31 | Stskeeps | zanshin: also having SSH access to your tablet is a basic thing since it's hell to do it on stylus keyboard :P |
| 17:19.42 | zanshin | :) yep |
| 17:19.56 | qwerty12 | lcuk: I see the debian folder, safe for checking out? |
| 17:20.10 | lcuk | yer i cant wipe the crap out of it |
| 17:20.10 | Stskeeps | what OS version do you have on the tablet, zanshin? and can the 770 handle 2gb SD? |
| 17:20.24 | lcuk | makes a mental note to do things properly next time |
| 17:20.52 | lcuk | qwerty12, join the project and you can reupload if you manage to get it working |
| 17:21.18 | qwerty12 | lcuk: If I do manage to get it working, I'll just tar.gz my changes :) |
| 17:21.26 | zanshin | Stskeeps: Do you know how th initfs exactly works. When I checked debian for 8x0 there were no kernels in /boot so gues it takes it's kernel to boot from somewhere else. |
| 17:21.38 | lcuk | qwerty12, :) ok cheers |
| 17:22.30 | Stskeeps | zanshin: it uses same kernel as the existing OS, - it loads kernel first, then code in initfs and then through voodoo executes /sbin/init like a kernel would on the partition it boots |
| 17:22.34 | lcuk | crashanddie, loaded notes but then said "unable to open" |
| 17:22.58 | crashanddie | lcuk, did you give it a real file ? |
| 17:23.10 | qwerty12 | lcuk: just out of question, ever tried using the vfp, march, mtune optimisations or didn't it have no effect? |
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| 17:23.42 | lcuk | i tried lots of things back when starting but -O3 was plenty |
| 17:23.53 | qwerty12 | cool, just wondering :) |
| 17:23.56 | lcuk | and it was also the fastest |
| 17:24.24 | lcuk | not sure whether i tried *every* combination, but i got over 25fps and can drop ~ 100 lines of text on screen |
| 17:24.32 | lcuk | draw^ |
| 17:24.47 | lcuk | qwerty12, if i specify the full path to the file it opens |
| 17:24.52 | lcuk | but using local path it fails |
| 17:24.58 | qwerty12 | s/qwerty12/crashanddie :) |
| 17:25.00 | lcuk | damn, not qwerty12 i meant crashanddie |
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| 17:25.04 | lcuk | lol yer |
| 17:25.12 | crashanddie | lcuk, ok, great |
| 17:25.15 | lcuk | Nokia-N810-50-2:/media/mmc1# ./hildon-open dmesg.txt |
| 17:25.15 | lcuk | Nokia-N810-50-2:/media/mmc1# ./hildon-open /media/mmc1/dmesg.txt |
| 17:25.21 | lcuk | first one failed, second one worked |
| 17:25.34 | crashanddie | lcuk, ok, thanks |
| 17:25.44 | Blafasel | lcuk: Pretty awesome video |
| 17:26.02 | qwerty12 | lcuk: Would having liqbase_readme.txt distributed be an requirement too? |
| 17:26.08 | Blafasel | Especially the note taking. |
| 17:26.23 | crashanddie | OK, I need another guinea pig but who is running diablo now |
| 17:26.25 | lcuk | Blafasel, it doesnt actually do it justice, the stylus kept missing on the upstrokes (its sat on a foam pad so tablet moves away) |
| 17:26.33 | lcuk | qwerty12, yes |
| 17:26.40 | lcuk | thats why i wanted them in a folder on their own |
| 17:26.59 | qwerty12 | I'll make it move in /usr/share/liqbase then :), otherwise in /usr/share/docs docpurge will have it's way :) |
| 17:27.09 | lcuk | Blafasel, ive got 900 sketches now |
| 17:27.18 | qwerty12 | s/it's/its |
| 17:27.20 | crashanddie | lcuk, how fast does it load ? |
| 17:27.55 | lcuk | a lot quicker now i've didled with it - i just do a scan of the folder, begin layout and load a few more every frame until complete |
| 17:27.59 | lcuk | it works quite weel |
| 17:28.17 | lcuk | but im reversing the direction |
| 17:28.26 | lcuk | i want to be writing at the BOTTOM of a big sheet of paper |
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| 17:28.54 | lcuk | so i can automatically just look back over what ive done and advancing a page when ive finished is easier on the eyes |
| 17:28.56 | crashanddie | ab ab ab ab |
| 17:28.58 | Blafasel | lcuk: How are they arranged? I mean, the screen you write on is just prepended to the whole "paper"? |
| 17:29.15 | crashanddie | s/ab ab ab ab/a*((ab)*|b*)/ |
| 17:29.21 | crashanddie | hmm |
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| 17:29.26 | crashanddie | ~/a*((ab)*|b*)/ |
| 17:29.34 | lcuk | each sketch is a rectangular area all fitted within the frame and laid out as neatly as possible |
| 17:29.44 | lcuk | Blafasel, +- zoom keys work |
| 17:29.52 | Blafasel | Nice. |
| 17:29.54 | lcuk | and having 100 or so on screen as icons is wicked |
| 17:30.13 | Blafasel | And your project contains the source for those sample apps as well or "only" for the drawing itself? |
| 17:30.15 | qwerty12 | arg, time for me to go, I'll take a look in the morning :) |
| 17:30.17 | lcuk | anyway, tea ready, back soon |
| 17:30.17 | qwerty12 | bye |
| 17:30.49 | crashanddie | /ab ab ab ab/a*((ab)*|b*)/ |
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| 17:30.51 | lcuk | Blafasel, liqbase contains everything i got stable until the day i released. i cleansed out the partial test stuff |
| 17:30.59 | lcuk | but now im full steam building them again |
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| 17:31.12 | crashanddie | Blafasel, you wouldn't be running diablo by any chance ? |
| 17:31.16 | lcuk | theres some more stuff in there that the video doesnt show |
| 17:31.19 | Blafasel | crashanddie: I am |
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| 17:31.24 | lcuk | back soon |
| 17:31.28 | crashanddie | Blafasel, mind doing a small test for me ? |
| 17:31.44 | Blafasel | crashanddie: Not at all, but I've to head home right now. 15min? |
| 17:31.56 | crashanddie | Blafasel, purrfect |
| 17:31.59 | Blafasel | brb |
| 17:36.00 | crashanddie | m/purrfect/ |
| 17:36.22 | crashanddie | hmm, infobot's perl implementation isn't that complete, is it ? |
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| 17:39.31 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, it's a dumb IRC bot. :P |
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| 17:41.14 | lcuk | based on GeneralAntilles's mind |
| 17:42.46 | GAN800 | You see the depth of my disturbedness! |
| 17:43.38 | lcuk | lol yer |
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| 17:43.52 | lcuk | im a bit freaked out about all these CC numbers |
| 17:44.23 | GAN800 | Maybe trying them out one by one will help. |
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| 17:45.21 | lcuk | lol GAN800, no - i seriously dont want them but i dont know what to do with them |
| 17:45.54 | lcuk | theres people from all over the world here and some from nearby |
| 17:45.55 | lcuk | :S |
| 17:46.06 | GAN800 | Pass the buck, forward them on down the line. |
| 17:46.19 | wazd | Hello everybody :) |
| 17:46.45 | GNUton | Hello wazd! |
| 17:46.47 | lcuk | :( theres even more than i thought |
| 17:46.55 | lcuk | [Message clipped] View entire message |
| 17:48.16 | GAN800 | The result of that $1000 lcuk paypalled to that credit card scammer after he had that red wine. |
| 17:48.56 | zfigz | Can someone walk me through on how to get maemo mapper and a gps to work? |
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| 17:49.32 | GAN800 | restrains himself from making a joke about 'a gps'. |
| 17:49.46 | zfigz | the gps is seriously sketchy |
| 17:49.53 | zfigz | i was hoping for the gps to be a lil' more reliable |
| 17:50.34 | GAN800 | When you hope for a "lil'" of anything, you set yourself up for disappointment. |
| 17:51.04 | crashanddie | zfigz, what exactly is your problem ? |
| 17:51.15 | crashanddie | ok, let's do this together, will ya ? |
| 17:51.35 | crashanddie | get your NIT connected on wifi |
| 17:51.42 | crashanddie | get close to a window/outside |
| 17:51.49 | Jaffa | Evening, all |
| 17:51.52 | crashanddie | launch a-gps beta |
| 17:52.00 | GAN800 | Hi, Jaffa. |
| 17:52.01 | lcuk | note: GPS WORKS WELL WHEN IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO PLANET EARTH |
| 17:52.16 | lcuk | hi jaffa |
| 17:52.25 | GAN800 | lcuk, no wonder I've been having so much trouble. . . . |
| 17:52.34 | lcuk | and such lag playing wow |
| 17:52.36 | crashanddie | my location is already set, so I'm not changing anything on the map a-gps shows me, but make sure the indicator is close to your area |
| 17:52.48 | crashanddie | launch Map |
| 17:53.02 | zfigz | crash, it never locates me |
| 17:53.17 | GAN800 | My friends have all gotten back into that shit after breaking their addictions 6 months ago. |
| 17:53.27 | lcuk | zfigz, have you attmpted to go outside with a clear view of the sky and set it going |
| 17:53.28 | zfigz | openning a gps |
| 17:53.31 | lcuk | gps does not work indoors |
| 17:53.33 | zfigz | lcuk, actually...no |
| 17:53.40 | lcuk | there ya go :P |
| 17:54.01 | zfigz | ok |
| 17:54.03 | zfigz | so do this |
| 17:54.04 | zfigz | open a gps |
| 17:54.06 | zfigz | then go to maemo mapper |
| 17:54.08 | zfigz | and voila? |
| 17:54.15 | GAN800 | zfigz, agps beta isn't supposed to locate you . . . tap on the map where you are. |
| 17:54.48 | sjgadsby | You are the Assist in Assisted GPS. |
| 17:55.07 | wazd | oh hell |
| 17:55.26 | wazd | you need to show positioning system where you are?) |
| 17:55.46 | zfigz | ok |
| 17:55.48 | zfigz | i'm gonna go outside |
| 17:55.50 | GAN800 | To within about 300 miles. |
| 17:56.13 | wazd | GAN800: ah, thats better :) |
| 17:58.07 | GeneralAntilles | sjgadsby -> #maemo-meeting |
| 17:58.11 | lcuk | jaffa |
| 17:58.47 | lcuk | ive been sent an email which has disturbed me muchly. it contains well over 1000 names addresses and credit card details |
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| 17:59.04 | lcuk | someone tell me where i can send this so it gets handled properly |
| 17:59.13 | GeneralAntilles | From who? |
| 17:59.27 | lcuk | i dunno, another gmail user |
| 17:59.41 | wazd | lcuk: you're rich man! :D |
| 17:59.42 | sjgadsby | A very confused Nigerian scammer. |
| 17:59.50 | lcuk | no, these look too legit :S |
| 18:00.10 | GeneralAntilles | gmail-abuse? |
| 18:00.13 | GeneralAntilles | Something similar |
| 18:00.57 | lcuk | but its not abuse like that - ive just tried looking on police site n stuff but cant see anything major |
| 18:01.04 | aquatix | lcuk: please send it to me! |
| 18:01.28 | aquatix | has some gadgets he wants to buy; having some CC numbers ready is nice ;) |
| 18:01.53 | Stskeeps | lcuk: UK? |
| 18:01.58 | lcuk | yes |
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| 18:02.49 | wazd | BTW, where can I apply for some bla-bla-bla time at the Maemo Summit?) |
| 18:02.58 | Stskeeps | lcuk: "fraud intelligence bureau"? |
| 18:03.08 | Jaffa | wazd: the Talk page |
| 18:03.08 | X-Fade | wazd: In the wiki? |
| 18:03.34 | zfigz | yeah |
| 18:03.36 | Blafasel | crashanddie: Shoot |
| 18:03.36 | zfigz | didn't work outside either |
| 18:03.40 | zfigz | n810's gps sooks |
| 18:03.53 | wazd | Jaffa, X-Fade: I realy have searched for something specific but I haven't found it( |
| 18:04.18 | GAN800 | the Summit page on the wiki |
| 18:04.28 | Jaffa | wazd: http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Maemo_Summit_2008 |
| 18:04.34 | lcuk | Stskeeps, thanks, that takes me to other periphery organisations where i can only signup for newsletters and leave comments |
| 18:04.48 | GAN800 | the lightning talks and BoF sessions are being put together there |
| 18:05.02 | Jaffa | Erk, lightning sessions now only 5 mins each (again) |
| 18:05.03 | lcuk | thats the right idea though |
| 18:05.10 | lcuk | Jaffa, i noticed that |
| 18:05.10 | wazd | oh, thank you very much |
| 18:05.20 | GAN800 | Jaffa, talk fast. |
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| 18:05.48 | zfigz | I know a gps isn't supposed to locate me |
| 18:05.58 | GAN800 | maybe implement a 2x transcoding feature for tablet-encoding ans use that on a recording of your talk? :P |
| 18:06.05 | Jaffa | heh |
| 18:06.26 | GAN800 | Locating you is exactly what a gps is supposed to do. *g* |
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| 18:06.55 | GAN800 | Jaffa, don't irc as root. :P |
| 18:07.11 | Jaffa | GAN800: indeed ;-) |
| 18:07.35 | lcuk | how come it knows im lcuk |
| 18:07.45 | Jaffa | 's keyboard was playing up in Ubuntu so had to switch OS |
| 18:07.45 | GAN800 | dneary, got any opinion on that '/usr on sd' article? |
| 18:07.49 | smyows | is possible to put a original kernel os2008 kernel |
| 18:07.54 | X-Fade | Yep |
| 18:08.11 | smyows | anyone have zimage to send-me? |
| 18:08.22 | smyows | my n800 is in loop :P |
| 18:08.25 | GAN800 | smyows, use the command qwerty12 gave you. |
| 18:08.40 | smyows | ? |
| 18:09.14 | GAN800 | flasher-3.0 -F <FIASCO image> --flash-only=kernel -R |
| 18:09.55 | GAN800 | lcuk, what knows? |
| 18:10.22 | lcuk | well i logged in on my 810 just after jaffa |
| 18:10.26 | smyows | i do not have original image |
| 18:10.29 | lcuk | mine said lcuk@ instead of anything |
| 18:10.49 | GAN800 | smyows, http://tablets-dev.nokia.com |
| 18:11.10 | Stskeeps | lcuk: re the cc thing, i guess bank would be the best option to report it to as they have procedures internally about fraud :P |
| 18:11.19 | GAN800 | You set your username in XChat? |
| 18:11.40 | lcuk | Stskeeps, but which bank, its countrywide list |
| 18:11.50 | lcuk | GAN800, so y did jaffas come up with root |
| 18:12.04 | Stskeeps | lcuk: your own to start with |
| 18:12.05 | GAN800 | Because that's his username. |
| 18:12.19 | lcuk | ok Stskeeps :) |
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| 18:13.16 | Stskeeps | lcuk: im deriving that from http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/crime-victims/reducing-crime/fraud/ atleast |
| 18:13.29 | Stskeeps | since they are responsible for verifying the crime and reporting it to the police |
| 18:14.04 | lcuk | i find it hard to believe i cannot directly contact someone and say "OI this is dodgy" |
| 18:14.17 | lcuk | i might go out on the street with a camera - ill find a policeman in seconds |
| 18:14.26 | Stskeeps | yeah.. its ironic |
| 18:14.57 | Jaffa | lcuk/GAN800: I'm not on my N810 as root (my N810 is showing it through a screen session on badger.bleb.org) but for following the meeting I decided that bitchx isn't the most easy interface to follow multiple rooms in. The OS I'm booted into only has one account at the moment, and it's "root" |
| 18:15.23 | lcuk | lol jaffa we are only pullin at your peel |
| 18:15.24 | Stskeeps | lcuk: bringing a printout of the first 30 pages prolly help to illustrate theres a problem |
| 18:15.37 | Stskeeps | or whatever seems overwhelming for the bank guy |
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| 18:15.58 | Jaffa | lcuk: indeed - I've given out the same advice many times :-) |
| 18:15.58 | GNUton | jott: ping |
| 18:16.02 | lcuk | ok, just gonna order some ink cartridges |
| 18:16.10 | lcuk | oh crap, it needs a cc |
| 18:16.22 | dneary | hey hey |
| 18:17.55 | rm_you | hrm back |
| 18:18.34 | lcuk | Forward suspicious-looking emails 'from' HSBC to:phishing@hsbc.com <<< i can do that |
| 18:18.39 | GAN800 | rm_you -> #maemo-meeting |
| 18:18.52 | rm_you | happening now? |
| 18:18.59 | lcuk | but i cant someonesentmethousandsofcreditcards@hsbc.com |
| 18:19.00 | GAN800 | 40 minutes |
| 18:19.42 | rm_you | GAN800: ok i will go take a shower now... got a dentist appointment at 2:00, need to leave by like 1:00 to get there on time, meeting starts at 12:00 >_> |
| 18:19.51 | rm_you | GAN800: so i'll prolly miss a bit of it if it is over an hour |
| 18:20.13 | rm_you | anything i should be thinking about pre-meeting? |
| 18:20.23 | GAN800 | Cleaning or hole drilling? :P |
| 18:20.37 | rm_you | hole drilling :P |
| 18:20.40 | rm_you | they're going to gas me |
| 18:20.43 | rm_you | woo |
| 18:20.47 | GAN800 | Woo! |
| 18:20.58 | lcuk | rm_you, :( |
| 18:21.02 | rm_you | lol |
| 18:21.04 | GAN800 | Better than having to sit throug it. |
| 18:21.07 | rm_you | lcuk: it is very minor :P |
| 18:21.13 | rm_you | preventative work |
| 18:21.15 | lcuk | MINOR |
| 18:21.24 | GAN800 | novacaine alergy? |
| 18:21.27 | rm_you | lol |
| 18:21.34 | rm_you | no, they will give me that too :P |
| 18:21.53 | lcuk | i need gassings just so they can inject me so they can repair it |
| 18:21.58 | lcuk | damn evil butchers |
| 18:22.03 | GAN800 | minor + gas is odd. . . . |
| 18:22.11 | rm_you | I asked for it :P |
| 18:22.21 | GAN800 | Ha |
| 18:22.24 | GAN800 | Whimp |
| 18:22.25 | rm_you | How often can you legally get gassed out of your mind? :P |
| 18:22.48 | rm_you | This turns dentist trip from "meh" -> "woo" :P |
| 18:23.07 | rm_you | lcuk: stereotypes of british dentistry come to mind |
| 18:23.08 | pupnik_ | yaay taosynth was reactivated |
| 18:23.09 | pupnik_ | anybody do sound with linux? |
| 18:23.11 | pupnik_ | http://taopm.sourceforge.net/examples/sounds.html |
| 18:23.46 | pupnik | damn german dentists don't use gas, as a rule. |
| 18:24.39 | rm_you | anyway, brb shower |
| 18:24.49 | GAN800 | Last time I was under was for adnoid removal |
| 18:24.50 | rm_you | should i have questions ready for the meeting/ |
| 18:24.55 | rm_you | or is it not that kind of meeting? |
| 18:25.13 | GAN800 | They used ether, I threw up on the hospital steps leavinging. |
| 18:25.18 | GAN800 | it was fun |
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| 18:25.22 | rm_you | lol |
| 18:25.25 | Blafasel | No questions. Just BS bingo |
| 18:25.26 | GAN800 | rm_you, sprint review |
| 18:25.29 | rm_you | kk |
| 18:25.31 | Jaffa | 's never had a general anaesthetic or, in fact, any form of gas :-( |
| 18:25.32 | GAN800 | Not that kind. |
| 18:25.38 | rm_you | then brb |
| 18:26.21 | GAN800 | I wish somebody would be cool and help me get together a useful agenda for a real maemo-meeting. :P |
| 18:27.24 | pupnik | GAN800 "world domination" |
| 18:27.55 | GAN800 | I think I'm stuck in an un-useful mindset about it and need somebody else get some real direction going. |
| 18:28.05 | Blafasel | GAN800: First point: "Socializing" |
| 18:28.10 | Italodance | http://maemo.org/news/events/maemo-org_sprint3_irc_planning_meeting/ ok then what? |
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| 18:28.31 | GAN800 | I've got a '20 questions with Quim' thing going on that's boring, topical and unhelpful. |
| 18:29.16 | X-Fade | This is purely a sprint progress report meeting. |
| 18:29.25 | Italodance | oh Tue 11:30 PM ....it's 11 PM now! |
| 18:29.35 | Italodance | Y! |
| 18:30.55 | GAN800 | Quim said it should be more like a real 'meeting' for the community, but I'm not entirely sure how to facilitate that without falling into stupid S60 fanboy question hell again. |
| 18:31.42 | X-Fade | GAN800: I'm guessing that I need to put the channel on moderate soon ;) |
| 18:31.54 | Jaffa | GAN800: Council led meeting FTW. |
| 18:32.01 | GAN800 | Hehe |
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| 18:33.11 | Italodance | well maemo guys will be here? |
| 18:33.24 | RST38h | boo. |
| 18:33.30 | GAN800 | hoo |
| 18:33.37 | Italodance | only US!? |
| 18:34.14 | RST38h | yes, us and THEM. |
| 18:34.30 | GAN800 | rocks out. |
| 18:35.29 | RST38h | is timeless around? |
| 18:35.47 | GAN800 | RST38h -> #maemo-meeting |
| 18:35.59 | GAN800 | Don't think he's here yet. |
| 18:36.08 | RST38h | ack. |
| 18:36.52 | GAN800 | Hopefully he's not gonna miss the bugzilla meeting. . . . |
| 18:37.35 | RST38h | I have got the 100% cpu + hangup bug in microb/browserd again |
| 18:38.03 | RST38h | same site - livejournal.com, looks like some js goes haywire |
| 18:38.10 | Stskeeps | GAN800: is it alright just to lurk and observe, and not talk? not sure how public this sounds :P |
| 18:38.22 | X-Fade | Hmmm I wonder why I haven't ever seen a software update notification on my N810 :) |
| 18:38.32 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, most definitely. |
| 18:38.32 | X-Fade | Something is up.. |
| 18:38.46 | GAN800 | X-Fade, applet turned off? |
| 18:38.50 | RST38h | xfade: no repos added? |
| 18:38.52 | X-Fade | GAN800: Nope. |
| 18:39.14 | X-Fade | RST38h: Nope, I have lots of applications from extras and extras-devel on there. |
| 18:39.30 | X-Fade | But somehow I don't get any notification. |
| 18:39.36 | RST38h | xfade: better tell why canola is still in extras-develop while its plugins are in extras |
| 18:39.55 | X-Fade | RST38h: Check again ;) |
| 18:39.56 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, scrollback. :P |
| 18:40.00 | Jaffa | X-Fade: me neither, I've never seen *any* |
| 18:40.01 | RST38h | i am also |
| 18:40.07 | RST38h | ah! |
| 18:41.48 | lcuk | fffffffffffs ive just been onto my bank |
| 18:42.22 | lcuk | and no1 wants to do anything seriously: we hear all about bank details lost: well ive bloody well found them and hence theres a trail and no1 wants to do anything |
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| 18:42.45 | RST38bis | disconnected |
| 18:43.01 | Italodance | NEW STAFF http://www.nokia.com/betalabs/chat :D |
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| 18:44.20 | GAN800 | lcuk, Fight Club time. |
| 18:44.45 | lcuk | i got told to take it to my branch |
| 18:45.01 | lcuk | by the FRAUD department |
| 18:45.15 | Jaffa | lcuk: ring your favourite national newspaper. |
| 18:45.18 | Jaffa | ...or the BBC |
| 18:45.27 | lcuk | "we do not have access to the email addresses of our security personel for data protection reasons" |
| 18:45.36 | Jaffa | lcuk: ?! |
| 18:46.16 | lcuk | that was the fraud people, i am shocked and outraged as well |
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| 18:46.38 | lcuk | eventually the nice woman at the internet banking helpline told me to send it generically to phishing@hsbc |
| 18:46.46 | ds3 | 9 |
| 18:47.04 | lcuk | but its not a frikkin phish, its an antiphish |
| 18:48.25 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, i'm the bank manager. i'd like the details that were lost from our bank to be returned to me so i can deliver it in the morning and launch a full investigation. |
| 18:49.10 | lcuk | i once rang the bank to tell them that cookies could be copied over and a session could be kept between multiple computers. they jumped quickly then |
| 18:49.19 | lcuk | :P qwerty12_N800 |
| 18:49.33 | qwerty12_N800 | I run the halifax :p |
| 18:49.33 | lcuk | !infact, ive prob still got the address |
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| 18:51.42 | guenther | slaps andre__ |
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| 18:52.08 | guenther | :) |
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| 18:56.04 | chx | anyone checked the N810WE on Rogers' WiMAX? |
| 18:56.30 | GeneralAntilles | Nobody but Nokia personnel have N810Ws. |
| 18:56.56 | lcuk | I have received the following in my inbox which I think is a bit shocking. |
| 18:56.57 | lcuk | I do not know which bank or accounts the people are for, but am a customer of HSBC and think SOMEONE needs to look at these at a matter of urgency. |
| 18:56.57 | lcuk | I am surprised you have no other security addresses I can use anymore so apologise if this is the wrong address to forward this to. |
| 18:57.31 | jott | GNUton: pong |
| 18:57.47 | chx | GeneralAntilles: ah, thanks |
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| 18:59.02 | MangoFusion_ | wtf? |
| 18:59.09 | aquatix | lcuk: sounds good |
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| 19:00.01 | lcuk | not really: |
| 19:00.01 | lcuk | Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently: |
| 19:00.01 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:00.27 | aquatix | *sigh* |
| 19:01.05 | lcuk | you cant make this stuff up |
| 19:01.27 | lcuk | resends |
| 19:02.00 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, attach porno, should catch their attention. stick high priority on it too :o |
| 19:02.04 | qwerty12_N800 | *:p |
| 19:02.51 | lcuk | pmsl |
| 19:02.53 | aquatix | :) |
| 19:02.54 | lcuk | wrong chan |
| 19:03.12 | lcuk | ive just sent hsbc the bounce |
| 19:04.38 | rm_you | wow |
| 19:04.50 | rm_you | Italodance: yes |
| 19:04.59 | rm_you | Italodance: please keep random questions in this channel :P |
| 19:05.22 | lcuk | yes, lets <lcuk> bollards |
| 19:05.23 | lcuk | <lcuk> sorry |
| 19:05.51 | qwerty12_N800 | what has the world come to when an man cannot even get good wifi in the bathroom :o :p |
| 19:06.18 | aquatix | qwerty12_N800: sounds like you need another AP |
| 19:07.58 | qwerty12_N800 | aquatix, i need 2 :/. this one doesn't support bridging or ssh |
| 19:08.39 | Stskeeps | i like asus wl-500g premium .. hasn't failed me yet and openwrt is fantastic on it |
| 19:08.42 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:08.47 | Stskeeps | and it's like 30 quid here |
| 19:08.57 | jott | Stskeeps: agreed |
| 19:09.11 | qwerty12_N800 | i'll get my friend to ship me one from DK :p |
| 19:09.15 | jott | i have an usb soundcard and a usb-serial connected to fax modem attached |
| 19:09.34 | Stskeeps | and i absolutely love the feature of being able to move switch ports from WAN (straight on dorm lan), and LAN (behind lan) |
| 19:10.49 | jott | but tbh the broadcom wlan card in it sucks :/ |
| 19:10.55 | jott | needs to get a decent one |
| 19:11.16 | Stskeeps | jott: running with 2.4 kernel and enabling wifi power save is just good for my nokia |
| 19:11.36 | qwerty12_N800 | can't be worse than atheros's stuff :( |
| 19:11.54 | aquatix | is happy with his v2 wrt54g |
| 19:11.57 | jott | Stskeeps: yeah it's works but reception could be better.. |
| 19:12.00 | Stskeeps | true |
| 19:12.10 | Blafasel | crashanddie: Still need something? |
| 19:12.26 | crashanddie | Blafasel, yeah, hang on |
| 19:12.40 | aquatix | an wireless router with usb for storage could be handy though |
| 19:12.40 | crashanddie | Blafasel, http://undercity.doesntexist.com/~crashanddie/hildon-open <-- download that, and try to open a .txt file with it (chmod +x hildon-open && ./hildon-open mytextfile.txt) |
| 19:13.00 | crashanddie | Blafasel, try with both full path and just cwd |
| 19:13.14 | qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie, i can test now if you wish |
| 19:13.35 | crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, you can try it out too then, never too much tests |
| 19:14.27 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, cp + paste worked a treat. network manager works great :) |
| 19:14.38 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: you got it installed? wee |
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| 19:15.00 | GNUton | jott: I´m updating the QGTKstyle code in the repository. |
| 19:15.08 | qwerty12_N800 | yeah, heh, lart my router otherwise ssh ftw |
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| 19:15.33 | jott | GNUton: yeah fine. i think i can apply my patches in the next days. |
| 19:15.50 | jott | GNUton: may changes should work on current svn head |
| 19:16.15 | Blafasel | crashanddie: Will do, takes a minute though. |
| 19:16.50 | jott | GNUton: i can now officially contribute and have to see now how/if i can work together with jens on some outstanding issues |
| 19:18.21 | GNUton | jott: great! :) |
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| 19:18.39 | kpel | hello |
| 19:19.46 | qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie, tried it on diablo, works nice as long as i give it a full path. it even runs under root w/out me resorting to prefixing run-standalone |
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| 19:21.25 | crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, that's the whole idea |
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| 19:21.55 | GNUton | jott: There is an important issue to fix now.. |
| 19:22.02 | jott | GNUton: what is it? |
| 19:22.51 | lcuk | Italodance, and anyone else who doesnt know whats happening or what they are wittering on about, go see here https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint3 |
| 19:23.06 | lcuk | is trying to listen |
| 19:23.10 | GNUton | jott: QGTKStyle doesn´t theme the frame around the application |
| 19:23.42 | jott | mhh.. ah you mean this 2-3 pixel border? |
| 19:24.12 | GNUton | jott: of course |
| 19:24.57 | GNUton | http://www.gnuton.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/qt4-on-maemo.jpg |
| 19:27.10 | jott | mh but usually the background color should match the inner border color... |
| 19:29.31 | jott | http://outpo.st/qt4.png <- that's my current style :) |
| 19:30.36 | RST38h | http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article4364377.ece |
| 19:30.38 | lpotter | thats cool... assistant on maemo |
| 19:30.41 | RST38h | Finally! |
| 19:31.01 | lpotter | need to cross compil eit though :) |
| 19:31.03 | crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, you know, hildon-open ? |
| 19:31.04 | GNUton | jott: however the file that the GTK style use to skin the borders of the top level window are qgn_plat_application_* |
| 19:31.08 | crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, doesn't work on my NIT... |
| 19:31.35 | qwerty12_N800 | worked for me :p |
| 19:31.38 | crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, camera doesn't work anymore, mplayer doesn't work anymore, gps only works once and then I have to reboot |
| 19:31.48 | crashanddie | I think I've been playing around with my NIT a bit too much :P |
| 19:32.37 | jott | GNUton: yeah not sure how to do it. i can't find anything in qstyle :/ |
| 19:33.20 | qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie, my camera+mplayer still work. running any other kernels? |
| 19:33.38 | crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, I switched to android at some point, then back |
| 19:34.33 | lcuk | crashanddie, that was me messing last night - sorry if i broke naything :P |
| 19:34.33 | GNUton | jott: by the way this is a Style issue.. this morning I watched the code... because i thought that was a WM issue.. |
| 19:34.51 | lcuk | "Wake up Michael, you're going to miss your flight" |
| 19:35.01 | crashanddie | Hahahahaha |
| 19:35.06 | Blafasel | Sorry for being slow. Worked for you, qwerty12_N800? Should I test it as well/still, crashanddie |
| 19:35.07 | crashanddie | "MY NAME IS SEBASTIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN" |
| 19:35.21 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, did you get rid of the Android kernel? |
| 19:35.31 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, I thought so |
| 19:35.34 | qwerty12_N800 | hmm, my 1st android kernel has those problems, sounds like it's still there... what does cat /proc/version say? |
| 19:35.38 | lcuk | im sorry michael, im afraid i cannot change your name. the reasons are not serious enough" |
| 19:36.01 | qwerty12_N800 | SEBASTIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN - woah. long name. |
| 19:36.10 | lcuk | lol |
| 19:36.13 | jott | GNUton: btw, do you know if you will join the summit now? |
| 19:36.27 | crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, Linux version 2.6.21-omap1 (root@trice) (gcc version 3.4.4 (release) (CodeSourcery ARM 2005q3-2)) #2 Wed Jun 11 15:00:15 EEST 2008 |
| 19:36.45 | qwerty12_N800 | oh, that's nokia stock :/ |
| 19:36.47 | crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, you have no idea how long all my names are :P |
| 19:37.04 | qwerty12_N800 | lol |
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| 19:39.17 | GNUton | jott: I´m not sure yet. But there is a possibility! ;) |
| 19:39.36 | GNUton | jott: you live in berlin, isn´t it? |
| 19:39.42 | jott | yes |
| 19:39.44 | jott | i will be there :) |
| 19:39.49 | GNUton | great! :) |
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| 19:40.23 | crashanddie | would be ironic |
| 19:40.31 | crashanddie | people coming from all over the world to berlin to attend the summit |
| 19:40.37 | crashanddie | and a local not joining in :P |
| 19:40.51 | jott | i just consider doing a lightning session about qt4 on maemo progress.. as there are still slots open |
| 19:40.53 | GNUton | crashanddie: ahah :) |
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| 19:41.36 | crashanddie | "Why weren't you there jott ?" "Well, I had to take 2 busses and a tram... Couldn't be bothered" "I took 3 planes and a train" "Pfff, bragger" |
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| 19:43.48 | GNUton | jott: My big problem is that my english is not very good.. but if you want we can have a session on Qt4 togheter. |
| 19:44.43 | GNUton | probably for september I´ve improved my speaked english! :P |
| 19:44.56 | crashanddie | spoken |
| 19:45.00 | crashanddie | :P |
| 19:45.01 | GNUton | ehhe :) |
| 19:45.03 | GNUton | thank you |
| 19:45.17 | crashanddie | GNUton, best way, listen to the BBC 24/7 |
| 19:45.25 | GNUton | yes it´s irregular! :) |
| 19:45.44 | GNUton | crashanddie: I´m listening ESL podcast. |
| 19:45.57 | crashanddie | Electronics Sports League ? |
| 19:45.59 | crashanddie | That ESL ? |
| 19:46.06 | qwerty12_N800 | and whatever you do, do not copy lcuk's accent |
| 19:46.11 | GNUton | ahha :) English as Second Language |
| 19:46.14 | crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, AGREED |
| 19:46.23 | jott | GNUton: well slots are set to 5 min/person if we do it together we would get 10 minutes :P |
| 19:46.35 | lcuk | .|.. |
| 19:47.00 | crashanddie | jott, write my name down, I'll stfu all the time, just look cute; you'll have 15m that way :) |
| 19:47.35 | jott | haha yeah timeslot exploit :) |
| 19:47.51 | crashanddie | in fact |
| 19:47.57 | crashanddie | anyone who wants 5m extra, write my name down |
| 19:48.06 | crashanddie | if I'm lucky, I'll just need to get a seat on stage and be done with it |
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| 19:48.43 | qwerty12_N800 | i'll come and start directing questions at crashanddie :p |
| 19:48.59 | crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, ask me any question |
| 19:49.06 | crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, and I'll be able to answer |
| 19:49.17 | GNUton | jott: ah ok! :) I thought that the slots get more time. |
| 19:49.29 | lcuk | they did |
| 19:49.33 | lcuk | it started as 10mins each |
| 19:49.36 | qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie, wtf did you contribute to that :p |
| 19:49.45 | crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, yes |
| 19:49.47 | jott | GNUton: well don't know there are still four open workshop slots.. |
| 19:52.32 | Italodance | um http://www.nokia.com/betalabs/agps-tablet GPS Beta can work on n800 too? |
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| 19:54.15 | Italodance | qwerty12_N800 hi friend can u change the size of xmms? |
| 19:54.40 | qwerty12_N800 | no |
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| 19:56.48 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: GAN800: ok heading out for dentist in a minute |
| 19:56.55 | GeneralAntilles | Have fun. ;) |
| 19:57.05 | rm_you | hope I don't miss "rm_you, respond now and we'll send you to the summit" or anything :P |
| 19:57.27 | crashanddie | rm_you, I'll ghost your nick and reply |
| 19:57.33 | rm_you | lol |
| 19:57.47 | GeneralAntilles | Nah, that'll read: "rm_you, respond now or we're sending you the bill for everybody's expenses" |
| 19:58.11 | rm_you | lol |
| 19:58.38 | rm_you | i'll pick up the logs later :) |
| 19:58.41 | rm_you | bbl |
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| 20:04.57 | GNUton | jott: ok, let me know what do you think.. |
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| 20:12.05 | lbt | lcuk: hi mate - where's the latest liqbase? |
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| 20:12.25 | lcuk | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/liqbase/ |
| 20:12.28 | lcuk | svn there |
| 20:12.34 | lbt | 'k |
| 20:12.43 | lcuk | i have got a modified version here but as i said earlier, its playing |
| 20:12.54 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, where's my web content? :P |
| 20:12.56 | lbt | different to the one you emailed me? |
| 20:13.24 | lcuk | web has a few bug fixes over what i emailed |
| 20:13.27 | lcuk | svn is the latest |
| 20:13.32 | lbt | 'k |
| 20:13.39 | lcuk | you playin |
| 20:13.48 | lbt | just got a few mins :) |
| 20:14.09 | lbt | been busy and tomorrow/thursday are probably toast |
| 20:14.13 | lcuk | :) cool, theres an example _apg folder with a few predefined sketches |
| 20:14.18 | GNUton | jott: I just added a new issue in the QGTKStyle issue list. |
| 20:14.32 | lbt | on the graffiti wall, can you open an old sketch? |
| 20:14.35 | lcuk | we will do a playtest - ill grab shopper now, ive been meaning to for days |
| 20:14.40 | lbt | or physics for that matter |
| 20:14.42 | lcuk | reopen to edit |
| 20:14.49 | lcuk | not right now |
| 20:14.54 | lbt | how do you reopen? |
| 20:15.03 | lcuk | one shot dealio - like a postit note. |
| 20:15.11 | lbt | ah |
| 20:15.23 | lcuk | editing is being built as we speak |
| 20:15.33 | lcuk | well not quite exactly now, but you know what i mean |
| 20:15.33 | lbt | cool - ready for thursday? |
| 20:15.41 | lcuk | whats happenin thursday? |
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| 20:15.47 | Blafasel | lcuk: What about the packaging? qwerty12_N800? ;) |
| 20:16.19 | GeneralAntilles | mumbles something about Extras-devel weeklies. |
| 20:16.33 | qwerty12_N800 | i'm working on it in the morning |
| 20:16.43 | Blafasel | Cool. What time is it now for you? ;) |
| 20:16.46 | lcuk | i can only throw my hands in the air and say i get confused by such things - it expects to have its own folder for a couple of local files |
| 20:16.48 | flo_lap | re |
| 20:16.55 | lcuk | hi flo_lap |
| 20:17.13 | GeneralAntilles | mumbles something more about web content. |
| 20:17.32 | qwerty12_N800 | Blafasel, 9:17 PM BST |
| 20:17.42 | lcuk | lbt, can i step in your box |
| 20:17.51 | qwerty12_N800 | i get up @ 6 am anyway... |
| 20:18.02 | lbt | err, sure.... ? |
| 20:19.05 | Blafasel | qwerty12_N800: Ugh |
| 20:21.12 | aquatix | qwerty12_N800: ouch |
| 20:21.23 | aquatix | can sleep until 7am |
| 20:22.00 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe, i could get up at 7:30 if i wished to but i don't :) |
| 20:22.47 | kkrusty | and you sleep at 11? |
| 20:23.07 | qwerty12_N800 | roundabout |
| 20:23.25 | qwerty12_N800 | oops, separate words :) |
| 20:24.59 | jott | GNUton: maybe make a better screenshot for the bug report, the picture implies that the toplevel window is wrong not the mainwindow |
| 20:25.59 | lcuk | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/shopper |
| 20:26.13 | jott | GNUton: and i'm not even sure we can solve this with qgtkstyle.. in the end it's an HildonWindow that is themed - maybe it has to be done at QMainWindow level.. |
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| 20:28.36 | jott | (i.e. it won't be solveable by a plain qgtkstyle as HildonWindow is not a gtk base widget) |
| 20:29.47 | jott | (and as far as i can see Qt does not provide a way to theme this area with QStyle.. not 100% sure about this) |
| 20:30.31 | GNUton | jott: ok, but I want to be sure before starting to modify the Qt code. |
| 20:31.09 | jott | yes.. still, if at all, this can not be solved by qgtkstyle just by a "qhildonstyle" |
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| 20:31.50 | jott | this bring us to the #ifdef MAEMO_CHANGES too :( |
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| 20:35.19 | hrw|gone | ifdef MAEMO_CHANGES.... argh |
| 20:35.37 | hrw|gone | hildon libs lack them in few places... |
| 20:36.33 | GNUton | the maemo Qt code has got a lot of #ifdef Q_WS_HILDON.. If this problem can be solved in this way.. it´s not a great proble for us, or nt? |
| 20:36.36 | GNUton | not |
| 20:38.06 | jott | GNUton: well... it all depends on how managable this gets (as forking from upstream is always problematic) |
| 20:38.40 | jott | and it would be good if qt4 on maemo does not do the same mistakes as gtk on maemo :p |
| 20:39.03 | jott | (ask hrw about it :P |
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| 20:40.51 | hrw|gone | jott: I do not use maemo gtk with hildon libs on non-maemo |
| 20:41.17 | a_l_e | hello i'm trying to get latex (texing) to work on os2008. it's installed, but when running pdflatex i guet the error "mktextfm: No such file or directory". does anybody have a hint? |
| 20:41.51 | jott | hrw|gone: but you where hit by the maemo gtk changes :) |
| 20:43.14 | hrw|gone | I have patches for it - and reported some of them to bugs.maemo |
| 20:44.13 | crashanddie | does anyone know if xsel is available for the maemo platform ? |
| 20:44.38 | GNUton | jott: I know that a fork is best way. But the possibilty to add the the Qt4 maemo code in the upstream code exist. |
| 20:44.53 | a_l_e | the full error from pdflatex is here: pastebin.ch/338 |
| 20:45.05 | GNUton | jott: sorry is not the best way :P |
| 20:45.58 | jott | GNUton: yes, just keep in mind that when you want to merge it upstream you can't easily allow 3rd party contributors |
| 20:46.36 | smyows | mgmaps get routes by the internet (think google maps), maemo mapper gets too? |
| 20:46.45 | jott | it's a bit of a predicament.. |
| 20:47.04 | GNUton | jott: I think that there is not problem if oyu release your patches under BSD. |
| 20:47.34 | GNUton | jott: What´s the other way to have a Qt for maemo? |
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| 20:47.44 | jott | GNUton: is this possible? it would voilate the gpl (ianal).. |
| 20:48.22 | jott | GNUton: sign a copyright assignment form. |
| 20:49.43 | GNUton | jott: mmm if the the code is under BSD, trolltech can change the copyright without any problem. |
| 20:50.27 | jott | GNUton: but the patch is a direved work of a gpl work.. |
| 20:50.38 | jott | so it technically can't be bsd... |
| 20:50.53 | jott | derived.. |
| 20:50.56 | GNUton | It´s true. |
| 20:52.16 | GNUton | But it´s also true that if you want collaborate with jens you must give him your patch under BSD license.. |
| 20:52.41 | jott | GNUton: no. that does not seem to be an option. |
| 20:52.56 | GNUton | because QGTKStyle will be integrated in Qt. |
| 20:53.33 | jott | i have to sign a copyright assignment form so trolltech/qt software/nokia (or what's it legally now) can use it without problems |
| 20:55.32 | GNUton | ok it´s true if you want release your patch with the Nokia or trolltech license.. |
| 20:55.48 | jott | as i said, i doubt it is possible to release a patch under bsd for an gpl work. though i am not 100% sure about it. |
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| 20:56.12 | GNUton | jott: I agree with you... |
| 20:56.25 | GNUton | :) |
| 20:56.36 | derf | The patch can probably be BSD. That won't make the original work it applies to BSD, however. |
| 20:57.13 | jott | derf: isn't a patch basically always a derived work from the original base? |
| 20:57.26 | jott | (and hence has to be gpl compatible) |
| 20:58.30 | GNUton | jott: probably yes... |
| 20:58.44 | GNUton | jott: but I´m not sure.. |
| 20:59.08 | jott | i think a horde of lawyers atleast could fight about this a couple of month ;) |
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| 20:59.59 | GNUton | I think so! :) haha :) |
| 21:01.00 | derf | Yeah... it depends on whether the patch can be "reasonably considered indpendent and separate". |
| 21:01.30 | derf | One might argue (probably successfully), that a patch for code that can't compile without the original work is not "separate". |
| 21:01.38 | derf | So you may well be right. |
| 21:01.48 | GNUton | we can try to mail R. Stallman... :P |
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| 21:02.09 | GNUton | I think that him has a answer for us. |
| 21:02.23 | sbaturzio | Aloha! |
| 21:02.33 | GNUton | Aloha! :) |
| 21:02.37 | jott | better ask eben moglen :) |
| 21:02.45 | GNUton | sbaturzio: are you just got up? |
| 21:03.05 | GNUton | jott: who is him? |
| 21:03.13 | crashanddie | jott, "The license may restrict source-code from being distributed in modified form only if the license allows the distribution of âpatch filesâ with the source code for the purpose of modifying the program at build time. The license must explicitly permit distribution of software built from modified source code. The license may require derived works to carry a different name or version number from the original software |
| 21:03.13 | crashanddie | ." |
| 21:03.14 | sbaturzio | GNUton: no, just back home from work :) |
| 21:03.24 | jott | GNUton: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eben_Moglen |
| 21:03.47 | GNUton | sbaturzio: a ok! :) now I know because you are so happy! ;) |
| 21:03.57 | sbaturzio | GNUton: :) |
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| 21:07.17 | jott | GNUton: anyway, it's obviously not an trivial task license wise (additionally given that there are many jurisdictions), hence the usual approach for tt is to let the contributors sign a copyright assignment form. |
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| 21:12.17 | RST38bis | lcuk: made ldmia/stmia work? |
| 21:12.42 | lcuk | no RST38bis - ill mark it as a bug for now |
| 21:14.17 | lcuk | its plenty fast enough without and i think its down to compile optimisations and im sure its thumb by default |
| 21:14.30 | RST38bis | btw, does xournal work properly on maemo? |
| 21:15.09 | lcuk | dunno |
| 21:15.22 | jott | RST38bis: does not work for me on diablo... |
| 21:15.47 | jott | somthing about xo-hildon_ui.xml.. not cared to debug/trace the problem.. |
| 21:16.07 | jott | (but it worked fine under chinook) |
| 21:16.09 | RST38bis | anybody else tried using xournal, folks? |
| 21:16.24 | RST38bis | oh |
| 21:16.54 | RST38bis | it crashes on color selection and none of the tools work |
| 21:17.08 | jott | it does not even start here.. |
| 21:17.47 | RST38bis | does not start from the menu, yes |
| 21:20.44 | GNUton | jott: do you have signed a copyright assignment form? |
| 21:21.27 | GNUton | I dont remember if I asked that to you. Your patches is very good. |
| 21:21.47 | Stskeeps | RST38bis: debian or maemo? |
| 21:22.06 | RST38bis | maemo |
| 21:22.26 | Stskeeps | odd.. i had it crashing in debian in same way when Xinput support was enabled |
| 21:22.26 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:22.44 | jott | GNUton: yes, i recieved the form today. |
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| 21:35.17 | Khertan_n810 | Hi ! |
| 21:36.06 | Khertan_n810 | Someone cross finger for me i m trying my first package created onboard with my new packager tool |
| 21:36.34 | sp3000 | timeless: bugs.maemo chat in #maemo-meeting (garage foo and whatnot) |
| 21:39.05 | Blafasel | X-Fade: Any chance of you giving me (and crashanddie perhaps?) a heads-up regarding the site access? For example: Where did you just remove the limit that fixed Bug 3177? |
| 21:39.31 | X-Fade | Blafasel: How do you mean? |
| 21:39.39 | crashanddie | Blafasel, I'm guessing svn would be a good start |
| 21:40.17 | X-Fade | Blafasel: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo2midgard-commits/ |
| 21:40.18 | Blafasel | Right. Links/pointers to the accessible parts. Where would I even start searching for the repository and how is the access restricted? |
| 21:40.33 | X-Fade | Blafasel: Subscribe here: https://garage.maemo.org/mail/?group_id=106 |
| 21:40.59 | Blafasel | Both? |
| 21:41.06 | Blafasel | How much noise is on the commit one? |
| 21:41.13 | X-Fade | Blafasel: No, first is web archive. |
| 21:41.29 | X-Fade | Blafasel: Depends on how much work/fixes we do :) |
| 21:41.37 | X-Fade | Check the archive. |
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| 21:46.16 | Blafasel | Okay, found the project, the source, your fix. But that's a little counter-intuitive for newbies so far.. |
| 21:47.20 | crashanddie | X-Fade, I'm guessing fixes must be reviewed before they're pushed live, right ? |
| 21:47.25 | X-Fade | http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/maemo-meeting-2008-07-22.html |
| 21:47.57 | X-Fade | crashanddie: Sure, but now we have only 'inside' people making commits. |
| 21:48.18 | X-Fade | crashanddie: So we would have to setup some ground rules of course. |
| 21:48.46 | crashanddie | X-Fade, is there a mob branch or something ? Where we could push the changes freely ? |
| 21:48.54 | X-Fade | Blafasel: And all these changes are done on top of midgard: www.midgard-project.org |
| 21:49.00 | GNUton | jott: :) Great! |
| 21:49.20 | Blafasel | X-Fade: Got that already. ;) Reading some code right now. |
| 21:50.46 | Blafasel | Maybe a list with important stuff (repository like maemo-extra, maemo-extra-devel are LINK_HERE, the website project is LINK_HERE, the wiki page are .. etc.) would be great as a starting point for someone with no clue but the will to help |
| 21:50.57 | jott | GNUton: i just wait for the reply of jens to see how we should proceed and hopefully within the week i can commit my fixes or let jens commit them upstream |
| 21:51.49 | X-Fade | Blafasel: We use this midcom branch on maemo.org. http://trac.midgard-project.org/browser/branches/MidCOM_2_8 |
| 21:51.52 | GNUton | jott: I´m very happy for you! :) |
| 21:53.16 | GNUton | Hey it´s to late! |
| 21:53.38 | GNUton | jott: thank you very much for the good chat.. |
| 21:53.57 | GNUton | I go to bed.... it´s time to sleep! |
| 21:54.12 | GNUton | night |
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| 22:05.29 | RST38bis | is pidgin in extras now? |
| 22:07.39 | guenther | Why are there two bash packages? |
| 22:07.54 | guenther | repository extras-devel and diablo/sdk |
| 22:08.03 | guenther | It's confusing me. :) |
| 22:08.25 | guenther | Also, why is there no lightweight emacs with less than 30 MByte? ;) |
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| 22:22.53 | Blafasel | X-Fade: Got a really small bug again, confirmed it and now I'm looking at the sources, somewhat clueless. Interested in fixing another bug in probably < 5min (uhm.. clueless guesstimation) and thereby showing me how to find the right spot? |
| 22:24.52 | X-Fade | Shoot. |
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| 22:25.14 | Blafasel | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3389 |
| 22:25.47 | Blafasel | This one seems cosmetic and obviously easy to fix: The "Do you want sponsorship" checkbox is sent as Yes/No, the "I understand I need a visa" as 1/0 |
| 22:26.19 | Blafasel | I looked at the code below events/, but it was (yet) too much midgard magic for me |
| 22:27.08 | Blafasel | i.e. $event->dm_array_to_string($registration_dm); this should be somewhere up the stack for the problem? |
| 22:28.48 | sp3000 | hahaa faad version: 2.0.0+cvs20040908+mp4v2+bmp-0ubuntu6maemo1 |
| 22:28.59 | sp3000 | that's awesome |
| 22:31.05 | Blafasel | X-Fade: If that's not obvious and I'm wrong: Don't bother, I'll figure it out. Just thought that looking at the commit might help me understanding some more stuff here (and fix another bug. Yay.) |
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| 22:44.12 | X-Fade | Blafasel: I'm not too familiar with that component. I don't know if that mail is styled or if it is defined in the module itself. |
| 22:46.43 | gregorovius__ | could anybody tell me if you can leave canola running in the background? is it too resource-intensive? |
| 22:47.23 | Blafasel | X-Fade: Well, the code there consists only of 6? 7? files and those don't seem to contain the contents. Any other place I can look for the definition? So far I'm browsing the repo like mad ;) |
| 22:47.53 | X-Fade | Blafasel: yeah, so it probably is in net.nemein.registrations. |
| 22:49.16 | Blafasel | Where'd that be? |
| 22:49.42 | X-Fade | Blafasel: In the midgard-project repository. |
| 22:52.21 | Blafasel | Damn! Garage (or maemo.org in general) is slow.. =( |
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| 23:02.25 | gregorovius__ | anybody? |
| 23:06.01 | flo_lap | gregorovius__: always ;) |
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| 23:09.14 | Blafasel | Yay. First attachmend for maemo bugzilla.. |
| 23:09.20 | Blafasel | attachment, even |
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| 23:13.25 | gregorovius__ | flo_lap, sorry, I didn't understand your answer |
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| 23:15.55 | flo_lap | gregorovius__: Well... I didn't understand your question. |
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| 23:19.52 | crashanddie | http://undercity.doesntexist.com/~crashanddie/maemo-meeting.log |
| 23:21.22 | gregorovius__ | ok, I'm gonna try asking again :) could anybody tell me if you can leave canola running in the background, and if it is too resource intensive? or barely noticeable? |
| 23:21.39 | crashanddie | gregorovius__, it'll drain your battery, most probably |
| 23:21.52 | crashanddie | gregorovius__, the best way would just to launch a terminal and see how much CPU is used |
| 23:22.22 | gregorovius__ | oh, I don't have a n800 yet, i'm thinking of buying one, and I'm curious on how well it performs as a media player |
| 23:22.36 | gregorovius__ | basically if |
| 23:22.52 | gregorovius__ | sorry, basically if I can leave it open and the tablet on, or if I have to close it every time i |
| 23:23.07 | gregorovius__ | (damn laptop keyboard) every time I finish using it |
| 23:25.45 | Blafasel | I hope I won't get killed for spamming in bugzilla now.. |
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| 23:47.35 | zap | How I can add "thumb" to DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS? If I just set this in a environment variable, dpkg-buildpackage overrides it |
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| 23:53.58 | GAN800 | No. |
| 23:54.48 | Atarii770 | Woo rtcomm beta fully works with 2008HE |
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| 23:55.49 | pupnik | gregorovius__: you should be able to put the device to sleep with canola running and not have it take up cpu time |
| 23:56.10 | pupnik | if it's not playing anything. otherwise they have a real design problem. |
