| 00:00.35 | jott | when playing without recording :P |
| 00:01.27 | jag_ | when playing it segfaulted? |
| 00:01.38 | jag_ | aaaww |
| 00:01.50 | jag_ | it never does on me :D |
| 00:02.03 | jag_ | yeah you can record phrases too have u tried that |
| 00:02.19 | jag_ | dont go on for a long time though as stl vector can quickly fill up :D |
| 00:02.51 | jott | heh yeah funny project... start removing a bit of the gl gui stuff and port it to maemo ;) |
| 00:03.20 | jag_ | could do |
| 00:03.55 | jag_ | basically will remove the editors once it is mature...joe user doesnt need all that sphaghetti |
| 00:04.28 | terbo | anyone else heard of millenicom? |
| 00:04.43 | jag_ | thanks for compiling and taking it for a spin jott |
| 00:04.50 | jag_ | hope u liked it too! |
| 00:05.09 | jag_ | jott:what sort of system do u have? |
| 00:05.51 | jott | jag_: yeah it's a nice start, a bit unintuitive but that can be worked on ;) |
| 00:06.28 | jag_ | what is unintuitive..? |
| 00:06.31 | jott | jag_: ubuntu hardy on a q6600 .. |
| 00:06.47 | jag_ | jott:opengl drivers? |
| 00:06.48 | jott | jag_: well not so obvious what to do when you are not instructed ;) |
| 00:06.53 | jott | nvidia |
| 00:07.08 | jag_ | hehe just like a real musical instrument u mean ;) |
| 00:07.22 | jott | hah ;> |
| 00:07.36 | jag_ | yeah the curves etc |
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| 00:07.46 | jag_ | the musician doesnt have to think about once its done |
| 00:07.52 | jag_ | the cos the instrument will be in tune |
| 00:08.01 | jag_ | so he will see the 'notes screen' only |
| 00:08.11 | jag_ | of course if he wants he can go down editing |
| 00:08.18 | jott | yeah true |
| 00:08.36 | jag_ | the thing now for me is |
| 00:08.48 | jag_ | what sort of processing power i have with maemo/n810 |
| 00:08.55 | jag_ | to port |
| 00:09.00 | jag_ | im happy i can code in c++ |
| 00:09.07 | jag_ | so most of the code goes unchanged |
| 00:09.12 | jott | well 400mhz arm... |
| 00:09.30 | jag_ | also its all synthesised so no samples and calculations in realtime..no memory access etc.. |
| 00:09.34 | jott | but this can't be too processor hungry ;) |
| 00:09.56 | jag_ | im glad you got that impression :) |
| 00:10.11 | jott | well running on a 2.4ghz quad core atleast :P |
| 00:10.18 | jag_ | how smooth is a stylus |
| 00:10.23 | jag_ | the stylus |
| 00:10.26 | jag_ | on n810 |
| 00:10.36 | jott | smooth enough for sliding around |
| 00:10.43 | jag_ | nice machine...eventually i will have 1000s of resonators running in multiple cores |
| 00:10.50 | jag_ | that will be lot of fun |
| 00:10.52 | jag_ | programming |
| 00:10.56 | jott | you could add a boxwave screen protector and get some extra sliding |
| 00:11.06 | jag_ | what is that? |
| 00:11.25 | jott | basically just some plastic foil ;) |
| 00:11.25 | jag_ | did u know u could wsad to scroll around that playing screen as well..i assume u would have |
| 00:11.31 | jott | yeah |
| 00:11.37 | jott | i figured that ;) |
| 00:11.41 | jag_ | yeah |
| 00:11.45 | jag_ | the quake idiom |
| 00:12.03 | jag_ | its my small homage to JC |
| 00:12.22 | jag_ | im so glad u got it...ive showed it to many ppl...and they didnt pick that out |
| 00:12.48 | jott | yeah your code needs some cleanup to be a bit more standard conform ;) |
| 00:12.58 | jag_ | like where? |
| 00:13.03 | jag_ | what are u looking at |
| 00:13.19 | jott | uh nothig in particular i looked at but tons of warnings while compiling |
| 00:13.29 | jott | and the need of -fpermissive ;) |
| 00:13.56 | jag_ | yeah mostly casts |
| 00:14.05 | jag_ | from floats to ints i guess |
| 00:14.05 | jott | and template stuff |
| 00:14.17 | jag_ | ah yes templates i use a bit |
| 00:14.21 | budman | anyone have any fingerboard hacks? higher sensitivity different templates/layouts? |
| 00:15.40 | jag_ | is it possible to run my synth while a call is in progress? |
| 00:16.19 | jott | jag_: uhm again, the n800/n810 does not have a gsm unit .. :) |
| 00:16.34 | jott | but it's a linux system so it supports multitasking ;) |
| 00:16.36 | jag_ | what? |
| 00:16.42 | jag_ | its not a phone? |
| 00:16.45 | jott | no |
| 00:17.00 | jag_ | really? |
| 00:17.06 | jag_ | i thought it was |
| 00:17.26 | jott | yeah well i guess lot's of people think that it is due to its nokia brand :/ |
| 00:17.55 | jag_ | aaaaaaaaaaaaw |
| 00:17.58 | jott | but it's still a gorgeous device |
| 00:18.11 | jag_ | aaaaaaaaaaaw |
| 00:18.54 | jag_ | surely in the near future a phone with maemo should come out from nokia |
| 00:19.40 | jott | for now i doubt that (with the near future at least) |
| 00:19.56 | jag_ | hmm |
| 00:20.04 | jag_ | man |
| 00:20.25 | pupnik | vgba on n810 is faster than visualboyadvance on my laptop :) RST38h |
| 00:20.59 | jott | vgba runs great, i agree |
| 00:21.23 | pupnik | does the new version have scaling or xsp? |
| 00:21.41 | jott | hm the last i tested had 2x scaling |
| 00:21.47 | pupnik | ok i try ty |
| 00:22.22 | jott | but afair RST38h talked about working on 3x .. |
| 00:23.40 | unixSnob_ | uses his n800 as a phone... an internet phone, that is. |
| 00:24.34 | pupnik | oh right - forgot how low res vba is |
| 00:24.57 | pupnik | in germany all the umts data packages (flatrates) say they forbid skype/voip |
| 00:25.08 | pupnik | the ones i saw at least |
| 00:25.53 | unixSnob_ | in fact, it could be used as a video phone |
| 00:27.17 | unixSnob_ | yeah.. it sucks in germany. I think they're extra heavy on the net surveillance there too. |
| 00:27.30 | unixSnob_ | I don't recall the context, but I was talking to a German and we came to the conclusion that we would have to tunnel our connections out of the country if we lived there |
| 00:27.51 | unixSnob_ | gtg |
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| 00:32.23 | pupnik | cheers unixSnob_ |
| 00:32.50 | pupnik | yes with the new data spying directive all your connections will be logged, and possibly tunneling/vpn/mix (tor) will be illegal in 2009 |
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| 00:44.34 | rm_you | jott: sweet got it |
| 00:44.49 | rm_you | jott / lcuk_zzz : now to integrate into the UI |
| 00:47.19 | lcuk_zzz | im asleep, tell me tomorrow ;) |
| 00:47.34 | lcuk_zzz | thought he would get some peace n quiet |
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| 00:50.12 | dougb | is there an alt browser than the mozilla browser for os 2008? |
| 00:51.59 | sven-tek | looks like i broke my dns system. once i edited /etc/resolv.conf, it seems to stay at its setting and doesnt change to what dhcp delivers. |
| 00:51.59 | jag_ | jott: thanks for compiling and run my app |
| 00:52.08 | jag_ | g2g thanks all. |
| 00:52.43 | sven-tek | can someone post normal settings in /etc/resolv.conf please? |
| 00:52.43 | terbo | sven: mine seems to be set to 127.0.0.1 usually, since it uses a cache |
| 00:52.50 | sven-tek | ah |
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| 00:54.01 | sven-tek | thanks, localhost works |
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| 00:57.02 | GeneralAntilles | dougb, all the other browsers suck currently. |
| 00:58.53 | terbo | well. im digging links2. xlinks has some promise too. |
| 00:59.22 | terbo | i really want w3m-img and will try and compile it soon.. |
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| 01:23.41 | GeneralAntilles | lol . . . http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19178&page=8 |
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| 01:30.39 | johnx | yeah, GeneralAntilles, it's pretty awesome, calls me an amateur then asks me to elaborate...heh |
| 01:30.55 | GeneralAntilles | itT is seriously in the shitter. |
| 01:31.15 | GeneralAntilles | I'm just waiting for Mutiny32 to reopen his stupid PVR bug again. |
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| 01:34.52 | GeneralAntilles | Reggie should just drop the banhammer on his ass and be done with it |
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| 01:58.19 | terbo | tell me how that millenicom works out :) Im´looking at a slug right now |
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| 02:46.26 | GeneralAntilles | OK, so far I've crashed the iPhone twice trying to browse the AppStore. |
| 02:46.40 | GeneralAntilles | So much for being so much more reliable than the tablets. . . . |
| 02:47.24 | johnx | The grass is always greener... |
| 02:47.34 | rm_you | lollerpwnt |
| 02:50.15 | GeneralAntilles | I don't get the "it's so much faster than the tablet" people, I've always found it to be on par or even somewhat slower than the tablet. . . . |
| 02:50.34 | johnx | I find their push messaging to be a very interesting idea |
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| 02:54.52 | GeneralAntilles | lol, all the games on here are old Mac games from 4 years ago that've been ported. |
| 02:55.02 | gramulhaozin | hey guys |
| 02:55.08 | gramulhaozin | :P |
| 02:55.13 | johnx | hey gramulhaozin |
| 02:55.28 | gramulhaozin | bought a n810 today :P |
| 02:55.29 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, i dunno. Monkeyball looked kinda fun *shrugs* |
| 02:55.32 | gramulhaozin | happy |
| 02:55.36 | johnx | gramulhaozin, congrats. Liking it so far? |
| 02:55.41 | gramulhaozin | but it's coming the mail :P |
| 02:56.05 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, maybe, but it's also $10 |
| 02:56.08 | gramulhaozin | I want to get a toolchain and make a software for my business on it |
| 02:56.24 | bef0rd | ~sdk |
| 02:56.24 | infobot | Software Development Kit |
| 02:56.27 | GeneralAntilles | Wish the categories were sortable. . . . |
| 02:56.30 | gramulhaozin | johnx: how long does it takes for an 810 to bootup ? |
| 02:57.06 | johnx | gramulhaozin, from cold power off: ~30 seconds. From normal standby: basically instant |
| 02:57.18 | gramulhaozin | nice |
| 02:57.22 | gramulhaozin | does it comes with a car charger ? |
| 02:57.28 | gramulhaozin | I'm going to leave it in the car |
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| 02:57.39 | gramulhaozin | hope it likes the hot florida weather 60 degres inside the car |
| 02:58.00 | gramulhaozin | 30 seconds is good |
| 02:58.16 | gramulhaozin | I'm going to get it for the customers to sign their "service orders" |
| 02:58.18 | johnx | it'll stay on standby for a long time, so there's not much need to ever turn it all the way off |
| 02:58.22 | gramulhaozin | just like UPS does with the packages |
| 02:58.34 | johnx | that's pretty cool |
| 02:59.12 | gramulhaozin | I would need a jelly skin for it |
| 02:59.17 | gramulhaozin | to make a little bit more solid |
| 02:59.38 | gramulhaozin | and would try to make it talk with my metropcs phone to get internet |
| 02:59.45 | GeneralAntilles | I wouldn't leave it in the car |
| 02:59.51 | GeneralAntilles | Your battery will be shot by fall. |
| 03:00.10 | gramulhaozin | GeneralAntilles: If I don't leave in the car I will forget it at home so I have no other choice |
| 03:00.12 | johnx | leave it in the glovebox if you need to |
| 03:00.25 | GeneralAntilles | Get in the habit of keeping it in a pocket. ;) |
| 03:00.31 | johnx | ...I think that might be a little cooler |
| 03:01.09 | gramulhaozin | does anyone had it working with Bluetooth internet from the cell phone ? |
| 03:01.18 | johnx | lots of people |
| 03:01.23 | gramulhaozin | I am going to try to pair it with my motorolla cell and use dialup from the cell phone |
| 03:01.28 | johnx | not me though. no bt on my cell phone |
| 03:01.47 | johnx | if your moto supports BT DUN you should be fine |
| 03:02.13 | gramulhaozin | yep it does |
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| 03:28.36 | johnx | jeez, I forgot how fast sd could be |
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| 03:30.59 | summatusmentis | gramulhaozin: google around, depending on your cell provider, you might need to hack your handset a bit so it doesn't show up as DUN traffic |
| 03:31.09 | summatusmentis | but I use DUN from my centro just fine |
| 03:32.50 | gramulhaozin | I used it before with my laptop |
| 03:32.58 | gramulhaozin | It was really slow, but worked |
| 03:33.52 | summatusmentis | some carriers will cancel contracts if they find people using DUN |
| 03:34.05 | terbot | im on sprint pam right now .. its not bad, good enough for irc and some web browseing |
| 03:34.51 | summatusmentis | I'm using sprint and USBModem |
| 03:34.56 | summatusmentis | no pam plan >_> |
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| 03:36.15 | terbot | i dont have pam either but am thinking about it. kind of .. testing it out. |
| 03:40.48 | gramulhaozin | I use metropcs cheapass |
| 03:44.49 | terbot | cheapass? lol |
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| 03:57.17 | ttmrichter | Anybody present that can help me figure out an application manager problem? |
| 03:57.33 | johnx | with using app manager? or hacking on it? |
| 03:59.21 | ttmrichter | Well, with getting the OS2008 update to work. It's listing well over a dozen applications that it can't find for the upgrade. |
| 03:59.43 | ttmrichter | Looking at gronmeyer's (sp?) repository list, I can't find *ANY* repos that have the apps in question. |
| 04:00.06 | johnx | are you in chinook trying to install the diablo "feature upgrade" through app manager? |
| 04:00.59 | ttmrichter | I'm in Diablo trying to install the Diablo feature upgrade. |
| 04:01.05 | johnx | hmm |
| 04:02.21 | johnx | would you mind running apt-get upgrade from the command line and putting the result on pastebin.com? |
| 04:02.24 | ttmrichter | Dammit! Now I can't connect to the device either. :( |
| 04:02.32 | ttmrichter | That's what I was just trying to do. |
| 04:02.32 | johnx | ah :| |
| 04:02.37 | ttmrichter | No path to device. |
| 04:02.47 | ttmrichter | Although I'm browsing *OUT* from the device no problems. |
| 04:03.09 | johnx | try running a ping from the device, then sshing to it |
| 04:03.49 | ttmrichter | Ummm.... What? |
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| 04:04.11 | johnx | sometimes the power savings on the device seem to prevent it from receiving packets |
| 04:04.18 | johnx | the CAM timeout is very agressive |
| 04:04.29 | ttmrichter | So what exactly am I supposed to do? |
| 04:04.37 | johnx | on the device, run ping google.com |
| 04:04.42 | GeneralAntilles | Did you turn Red Pill on? |
| 04:04.43 | johnx | on your desktop, try to ssh to the device |
| 04:04.52 | GeneralAntilles | Why do people see a feature upgrade with Diablo. :\ |
| 04:04.53 | ttmrichter | Yes, Red Pill is on. |
| 04:04.59 | GeneralAntilles | Turn it off. <_< |
| 04:05.39 | ttmrichter | sighs. |
| 04:05.47 | ttmrichter | Ping wants root. |
| 04:05.58 | GeneralAntilles | I wish people wouldn't recommend Red Pill. |
| 04:06.00 | ttmrichter | Su wants root. |
| 04:06.13 | GeneralAntilles | I doubt 1 in 10 of the people that turn it on actually need it. . . . |
| 04:06.13 | ttmrichter | So to get root access -- su -- I need to be root. |
| 04:06.21 | ttmrichter | Who the HELL makes this stuff? |
| 04:06.22 | GeneralAntilles | ~rootsh |
| 04:06.23 | infobot | rumour has it, rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/ |
| 04:06.24 | johnx | ttmrichter, you have ssh installed? ssh root@localhost |
| 04:06.30 | johnx | ttmrichter, Nokia :/ |
| 04:06.40 | johnx | but seriously, I know what you mean |
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| 04:07.05 | ttmrichter | OK, I'm out of red pill. |
| 04:08.15 | ttmrichter | Still not able to connect inbound, even though I'm hitting outbound just fine (not with ping, mind). |
| 04:08.40 | GeneralAntilles | Is the update still visible. |
| 04:08.43 | GeneralAntilles | ? |
| 04:09.03 | ttmrichter | It's in the installed apps list, but not in the installable. |
| 04:09.11 | johnx | as it should be :) |
| 04:09.52 | johnx | ttmrichter, ok, here's what's up: your router likely isn't playing well with the aggressive power savings on the tablet. to test if this might be the problem, try starting a ping. This will keep the powersavings from kicking in long enough for you to test whether you can ssh into it or not |
| 04:10.10 | johnx | if that doesn't help it may be that ssh isn't running for some reason or there may be another problem |
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| 04:10.25 | khertan | Hi ! |
| 04:10.29 | ttmrichter | Well, getting to the ping is a bit of a problem right now. ;) |
| 04:10.35 | ttmrichter | I'm still working on that. |
| 04:10.39 | johnx | ttmrichter, you have ssh. ssh root@localhost |
| 04:10.43 | johnx | right? |
| 04:10.52 | khertan | my n810 don't boot ... again ! |
| 04:10.59 | khertan | blank screen ... |
| 04:10.59 | ttmrichter | That's what I'm trying. I was concentrating on getting rid of red pill mode first. |
| 04:11.04 | khertan | tired of flashed it |
| 04:11.36 | GeneralAntilles | khertan, install bootmenu |
| 04:11.38 | ttmrichter | OK, ssh doesn't like the host key of the device it's installed on. |
| 04:11.42 | GeneralAntilles | Then you can ssh in with usbnet and fix it. |
| 04:11.46 | ttmrichter | Head. Meet desk. Repeatedly. "Hi there." |
| 04:11.56 | rm_you | jott: >_> |
| 04:12.16 | khertan | GeneralAntilles: so i suppose it s available now for the firmware, if you suggest me :) |
| 04:12.18 | johnx | ttmrichter, hmm? it says "unknown key" or conflicting key? |
| 04:12.31 | GeneralAntilles | khertan, has been since about Diablo week 2. ;) |
| 04:13.11 | ttmrichter | Conflicting key. I got rid of it. |
| 04:13.17 | ttmrichter | I HAVE ROOT! YAY! |
| 04:13.18 | GeneralAntilles | We should send a team of baby sitters over to fanoush's place so he can finish up all the cool bootmenu features he's got in the pipeline. |
| 04:13.52 | ttmrichter | I am pinging google. I still can't ping IN to the device. |
| 04:14.26 | johnx | ttmrichter, alright, try ssh -v user@your-tablet |
| 04:14.31 | ttmrichter | So while ping google.com is live, ssh says "no route to host". |
| 04:14.37 | johnx | ah, ok |
| 04:14.47 | khertan | when i try to download the last firmware i get a 27.7Mo |
| 04:15.02 | johnx | ttmrichter, and you're 100% sure that you have the IP right (not trying to be a jerk, just wondering) |
| 04:15.05 | khertan | file |
| 04:15.10 | ttmrichter | I'm positive. |
| 04:15.35 | ttmrichter | Oh, hang on. |
| 04:15.44 | khertan | nokia should really do something with their server... |
| 04:15.51 | ttmrichter | No, I don't. What the connection manager is reporting and what ifconfig is reporting are very, very different. |
| 04:16.13 | ttmrichter | The connection is configured as 192.168.0.104 and ifconfig is reporting 192.168.0.200. |
| 04:16.14 | ttmrichter | Interesting. |
| 04:16.24 | johnx | that's pretty strange |
| 04:16.29 | GeneralAntilles | khertan, works fine here. |
| 04:16.57 | budman | anyone have any fingerboard hacks? higher sensitivity different templates/layouts? |
| 04:17.23 | ttmrichter | It's even stranger, johnx. |
| 04:17.47 | ttmrichter | The network manager applet is set for static IP. /etc/network/interfaces is set up for dhcp. |
| 04:17.55 | ttmrichter | Why the radical disconnect there? |
| 04:18.41 | johnx | ttmrichter, I think /etc/network/interfaces isn't used on OS200x/maemo |
| 04:18.48 | ttmrichter | It appears it is. |
| 04:18.58 | ttmrichter | Because the 200 is where my DHCP server starts handing out addresses. |
| 04:19.20 | ttmrichter | I reserve the lower 100 addresses for static wire IP and the second 100 for static wireless IPs. |
| 04:19.36 | ttmrichter | So any address that's 200+ in the final digit is DHCP-served. |
| 04:19.59 | ttmrichter | So it's going by the settings in /etc/network/interfaces instead of by the settings specified in the connection. |
| 04:20.40 | johnx | or it's getting the dhcp thing from somewhere else |
| 04:21.03 | johnx | ttmrichter, my /etc/network/interfaces has no entry for wlan0 |
| 04:21.08 | johnx | only for eth0 and usb0 |
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| 04:23.18 | ttmrichter | Oh, it's eth0 I was looking at. |
| 04:23.37 | ttmrichter | My mistake. I conflated eth0 with wlan0. |
| 04:24.10 | johnx | right, so either you have static set for another wireless network and dhcp set for this one or the connection manager isn't paying attention to your settings |
| 04:24.28 | johnx | the connection manager being flaky is definitely a possibility |
| 04:25.46 | ttmrichter | OK, I've deleted the wireless entry and re-entered all the data. |
| 04:25.50 | ttmrichter | See if that works better. |
| 04:26.58 | ttmrichter | Nope. Still getting the wrong address. |
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| 04:27.58 | johnx | anyone else having a problem with your tablet using dhcp when set to static? I can't check on mine right now... |
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| 04:31.32 | ttmrichter | OK, now it's going right. |
| 04:31.40 | johnx | did you change something? |
| 04:31.50 | ttmrichter | I deleted the entry. Rebooted the tablet. Re-entered the connection entry. |
| 04:32.04 | ttmrichter | It looks like this was an artifact of my upgrade to Diablo. |
| 04:32.53 | johnx | ah, maybe |
| 04:33.11 | johnx | I bet that static IP setups don't get the same kind of testing as DHCP |
| 04:33.16 | ttmrichter | Most people probably just use the DHCP, yeah. |
| 04:33.36 | ttmrichter | I use static because I have to connect to the device all the time and it's a pain in the ass to try and track down which IP it has this week. |
| 04:33.38 | khertan | FIASCO subimage data length mismatch |
| 04:33.41 | khertan | GRRRRR |
| 04:34.07 | ttmrichter | OK, this gets us back to the initial problem. Which was solved by turning off Red Pill Mode. :D |
| 04:34.09 | khertan | wrong md5 |
| 04:34.10 | johnx | ttmrichter, same here. I staticly assign DHCP addresses on my router to certain MAC addresses |
| 04:34.20 | ttmrichter | Thanks guys. You're a credit to the community. |
| 04:34.29 | johnx | ttmrichter, glad everything's figured out |
| 04:34.31 | ttmrichter | I did that for a while, but my router sucks and occasionally gets confused. |
| 04:34.42 | khertan | firmware server suck ! |
| 04:34.43 | ttmrichter | I need to get a dd-wrt capable router. |
| 04:34.49 | johnx | in the future you might want to use apt-get instead of re-enabling red-pill mode |
| 04:35.12 | ttmrichter | I can't even remember why I turned on red pill. |
| 04:35.20 | GeneralAntilles | khertan, try downloading with a different client? |
| 04:35.21 | ttmrichter | It was kind of a reflex thing. |
| 04:35.29 | johnx | some package probably needed it to install |
| 04:35.30 | khertan | GeneralAntilles: done |
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| 04:35.44 | khertan | wget and firefox |
| 04:35.46 | ttmrichter | So... What is new in Diablo anyway? :D |
| 04:35.48 | khertan | now link |
| 04:36.02 | johnx | ttmrichter, there's a new bug with static IP addresses :) |
| 04:36.19 | ttmrichter | Wow! What a coincidence! I think I may have spotted that one just a few minutes ago! :D |
| 04:36.22 | johnx | ttmrichter, new email client, in place upgrades after this, some various bug fixes and tweaks |
| 04:36.36 | ttmrichter | New email client? |
| 04:36.40 | GeneralAntilles | ~diablo-changelog |
| 04:36.41 | infobot | methinks diablo-changelog is Announcement: http://tinyurl.com/6k7q7q Version chart: http://tinyurl.com/5duv6t Bugzilla: http://tinyurl.com/68bffr |
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| 04:37.29 | ttmrichter | OH NO! They took away bme-dbus-proxy. :( |
| 04:37.35 | ttmrichter | (What is bme-dbus-proxy?) |
| 04:37.40 | johnx | ttmrichter, and replaced it with something better :) |
| 04:37.50 | johnx | bme-hald-addon wins :) |
| 04:37.50 | ttmrichter | This was a joke. ;) |
| 04:38.00 | GeneralAntilles | ~no diablo-changelog is Announcement: http://tinyurl.com/6k7q7q Version chart: http://tinyurl.com/5duv6t Bugzilla: http://tinyurl.com/68bffr Wikipedia: http://tinyurl.com/4wafha |
| 04:38.00 | infobot | okay, GeneralAntilles |
| 04:38.00 | ttmrichter | Ooh! Proper Chinese font support! |
| 04:38.13 | johnx | ttmrichter, heh...it actually made life difficult for me and Stskeeps a couple days back :) |
| 04:38.23 | ttmrichter | That's actually useful for me. (Guess where I live....) |
| 04:38.34 | ttmrichter | Do they have Chinese input yet or is that coming Real Soon Now? |
| 04:38.49 | ttmrichter | (If they had full Chinese support I could sell a hundred of these things -- all my students love it!) |
| 04:38.53 | GeneralAntilles | cjk input is provided by 3rd parties |
| 04:39.04 | johnx | there was a third party CJK setup, but I don't know if it caught up to diablo yet |
| 04:39.10 | johnx | it's usable, but not that fun :/ |
| 04:39.11 | ttmrichter | I tried the 3rd party CJK. It was not...good. |
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| 04:39.32 | ttmrichter | Ooh. Proper GPG now too. |
| 04:40.19 | ttmrichter | Nokia, however, seems to be losing its marketing edge. |
| 04:40.26 | johnx | hmm? |
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| 04:40.47 | ttmrichter | For years it was THE brand name to trust in mobile phones in China. Now it's slipping fast. Not releasing high-profile devices with proper CJK support is a major factor in this. |
| 04:41.07 | ttmrichter | Samsung is now kicking Nokia's ass all ways to Sunday over this. |
| 04:41.13 | johnx | the tablet project isn't very close to the phone department |
| 04:41.22 | ttmrichter | The phones have the same problem. |
| 04:41.23 | johnx | AFAIK |
| 04:41.35 | johnx | right, but that's a different problem :) |
| 04:41.36 | ttmrichter | The big multimedia smartphones had delayed CJK support. |
| 04:41.50 | ttmrichter | It's like Nokia is resting on its reputation in China instead of going after the market. |
| 04:42.07 | johnx | entirely possible |
| 04:42.18 | johnx | I wouldn't really know |
| 04:42.24 | ttmrichter | sighs. |
| 04:42.37 | ttmrichter | So now I have to watch flash crap on my tablet? :D |
| 04:42.46 | johnx | nah, turn it the heck off |
| 04:42.50 | johnx | stabs flash |
| 04:43.07 | ttmrichter | I quite enjoy the flash-free web. |
| 04:43.33 | ttmrichter | I use NoScript on my desktop and will be turning flash off on my tablet as soon as I figure out how. |
| 04:43.41 | johnx | turn it off or install flashblock |
| 04:44.02 | ttmrichter | This is the new mozilla browser, right? |
| 04:44.04 | unixSnob_ | no worries ttmrichter, most of the flash content out on the web is not compatible with that of OS2008 anyway |
| 04:44.04 | ttmrichter | It's just a plug-in? |
| 04:44.22 | GeneralAntilles | What exactly is the appeal of Fring? |
| 04:44.33 | ttmrichter | Fring? |
| 04:44.38 | GeneralAntilles | Flash is always a plugin. . . . |
| 04:44.39 | GeneralAntilles | unixSnob_, Flash works fine here. |
| 04:44.42 | GeneralAntilles | eyeroll |
| 04:44.45 | johnx | ttmrichter, well, it's the same mozilla based browser as we've had for several months, but yeah, flash is just a plugin |
| 04:44.59 | ttmrichter | The chinook browser was mozilla? |
| 04:45.05 | GeneralAntilles | Same Mozilla-based browser we've had for almost a year now |
| 04:45.07 | ttmrichter | Wow. I never even noticed. |
| 04:45.21 | GeneralAntilles | Ugh http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=204278&postcount=15 |
| 04:45.38 | GeneralAntilles | Just upgrade from your pre-Chinook release. <_< |
| 04:45.39 | gramulhaozin | hey guys |
| 04:45.43 | unixSnob_ | check out bbc news.. none of the content works in OS2008 -- along with every other site I've visited since I updated to the latest version |
| 04:46.01 | ttmrichter | I can't check out BBC news: it's blocked. :D |
| 04:46.19 | ttmrichter | I can get it on my desktop through my SSH tunnel, but I don't have such a tunnel set up on the tablet. |
| 04:47.46 | ttmrichter | Hmmm... Sounds like an applet to me: simple SSH proxy tunnel that I can turn on or off in the status bar. |
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| 04:48.24 | GeneralAntilles | Talk about an orgy of the worst advice ever in the Fring thread. . . . |
| 04:49.16 | CosmicRay | hi folks. I recently reflashed my n810 using the latest official nokia firmware (diablo). I wanted to install gpg on it. when I ssh'd in and ran apt-get install gnupg, it complains about osso-softare-version-rx44 depending on flash-and-reboot, initfs-flasher, kernel-diablo-flasher none of which are installed |
| 04:49.19 | CosmicRay | apt-get -f install offers to install them |
| 04:49.31 | CosmicRay | should I? is it normal to have the missing? |
| 04:49.36 | CosmicRay | will it hurt to install them? |
| 04:49.49 | CosmicRay | incidentally apt-get -f install also will *remove* osso-software-version-rx44 |
| 04:50.18 | Italodance | is this diablo? http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2111&stc=1&d=1216405616 |
| 04:50.26 | GeneralAntilles | apt-get -f install |
| 04:50.30 | johnx | CosmicRay, gnupg should be installed with diablo |
| 04:50.36 | GeneralAntilles | Googling for those will give you some background |
| 04:50.42 | CosmicRay | ah. so it is. |
| 04:50.52 | johnx | CosmicRay, actually hang on a second |
| 04:50.57 | gramulhaozin | hey guys |
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| 04:51.05 | gramulhaozin | N810 or HTC 9685 (att tilt ) ? |
| 04:51.07 | GeneralAntilles | Italodance, that's Debian hacked up into some sort of chroot insanity. |
| 04:51.19 | johnx | gramulhaozin, yes |
| 04:51.30 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, he doesn't want to remove osso-software-version-rx44 :) |
| 04:51.43 | johnx | CosmicRay, did you try and install gnupg with a .deb file? |
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| 04:51.51 | GeneralAntilles | apt-get -f install souldn't be removing it. :\ |
| 04:51.58 | CosmicRay | johnx: no. I was considering it. |
| 04:51.58 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, read his message |
| 04:52.08 | CosmicRay | GeneralAntilles: that may be because of a libbz2 newer version, not sure. |
| 04:52.21 | CosmicRay | johnx: I have gnupg 1.4.6-2maemo1 |
| 04:52.23 | GeneralAntilles | You can reinstall it later without issue |
| 04:52.35 | johnx | fair enough I guess |
| 04:52.38 | CosmicRay | I wouldn't know where to find gnupg for maemo. wasn't on maemo.org. was going to get it from mdebian if I couldn't find it there. |
| 04:52.47 | CosmicRay | odd that gnupg shows up in apt/dpkg but not the gui package manager. |
| 04:52.51 | Italodance | GeneralAntilles tnx |
| 04:53.08 | johnx | gnupg is included with diablo I think |
| 04:53.11 | johnx | checks |
| 04:53.43 | johnx | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/changes/23-14_vs_50-2_changes.html |
| 04:53.55 | CosmicRay | I did google for the packages in question |
| 04:54.06 | CosmicRay | came up with 1 hit, in -- apparently -- russian |
| 04:54.14 | johnx | but you didn't check to see if they were installed already? :P |
| 04:54.18 | CosmicRay | so my need for apt-get is gone in this instance, so I can safely ignore this I guess |
| 04:54.34 | CosmicRay | not gnupg, no. it never occured to me that it might be, I guess |
| 04:54.42 | CosmicRay | not used to computers coming with gpg preinstalled ;-) |
| 04:54.45 | johnx | still, you'll want to get flash-and-reboot so that apt-get doesn't complain in the future |
| 04:55.13 | johnx | apt-get -f install should be safe if all that it wants to remove is osso-software-version-rx44 |
| 04:56.04 | CosmicRay | that is indeed all it wants to remove |
| 04:56.11 | CosmicRay | there is also some gstreamer updatage occuring |
| 04:56.39 | CosmicRay | I'm a debian developer so I am good enough with apt to be quite dangerous, but bad enough with maemo to have no clue what these packages do |
| 04:56.53 | johnx | yeah, the first rule is: maemo is not debian :) |
| 04:56.57 | johnx | I found that out painfully |
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| 04:57.10 | johnx | not all packages are in repositories (and available for easy reinstall) |
| 04:57.21 | CosmicRay | which, incidentally, is a pet peeve of mine about the packages listed in the package manager. It seems 80% of the packages on maemo.org say "Maemo version of frotzbangbaz" without telling me what that is |
| 04:57.21 | CosmicRay | johnx: this is why I stopped by this channel ;-) |
| 04:57.37 | johnx | there's a ton of semi-incompatible releases |
| 04:57.40 | CosmicRay | heh |
| 04:57.41 | rm_you | johnx: woot :P |
| 04:57.45 | johnx | and repos all over the place |
| 04:57.50 | johnx | rm_you, w00? |
| 04:57.58 | rm_you | jott / lcuk_zzz / lardman: got it pulling UPC codes from the database |
| 04:58.02 | GeneralAntilles | Well, SSU should largely solve the packages-not-available issue |
| 04:58.06 | rm_you | checked in r37 |
| 04:58.25 | rm_you | can now scan things and it will say what they are :P |
| 04:58.26 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, I was pretty sure there was still some unavailable stuff |
| 04:58.37 | CosmicRay | question #2 is, and I *have* tested and googled for this... Why does the retrieve "messages and attachments" option in the diablo mail client not actually retrieve message bodies until you click on a message? (Dunno if it did in previous releases, that mail client sucked too much to use) |
| 04:58.37 | rm_you | :P |
| 04:58.39 | johnx | CosmicRay, anyways, check which repo those gstreamer updates are coming from |
| 04:58.48 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, sure, not everything has been updated |
| 04:58.50 | GeneralAntilles | Give it time |
| 04:58.52 | CosmicRay | yes I do have a handful of 3rd-party repos |
| 04:59.00 | GeneralAntilles | Once every package has had an update pushed via SSU. . . . |
| 04:59.21 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, You're so optimistic it's heart warming :) |
| 04:59.30 | GeneralAntilles | Not optimistic |
| 04:59.36 | GeneralAntilles | That's just the way it has to be |
| 04:59.45 | GeneralAntilles | If an update is pushed via SSU, it has to be in a repo. |
| 04:59.49 | GeneralAntilles | There's no way around that. |
| 05:00.28 | nelson | is it just me, or is Diablo all fucked up? |
| 05:00.48 | johnx | if by all fucked up you mean delicious, then no |
| 05:01.24 | nelson | by all fucked up I mean that you can't install (e.g.) camera because /tmp is too small. |
| 05:01.52 | GeneralAntilles | Just you. |
| 05:02.00 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.fring.com/linux/N810.install They have got to be shitting me. |
| 05:02.10 | GeneralAntilles | SDK repo _ON DEVICE_? |
| 05:02.15 | GeneralAntilles | Hello, reboot loop. . . . |
| 05:02.42 | johnx | CosmicRay, sorry, not booted into OS200x right now. can't check the mail client. Just make sure that the gstreamer packages aren't the ones conflicting with osso-software-version-rx44 |
| 05:02.52 | gramulhaozin | anyone wants to buy an N810 NEW IN THE BOX NEVER TOUCHED for 317 ? |
| 05:02.55 | gramulhaozin | USD |
| 05:03.18 | CosmicRay | johnx: pretty sure not |
| 05:03.24 | CosmicRay | I think it's two separate issues |
| 05:03.39 | johnx | then go for it I guess |
| 05:03.51 | CosmicRay | I'm in the "don't fix what ain't broken" camp |
| 05:03.58 | johnx | fair enough |
| 05:03.59 | CosmicRay | my n810 is working fine, gpg is there, I won't touch it ;-) |
| 05:04.01 | nelson | reboot FTW |
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| 05:04.48 | johnx | CosmicRay, I just think it's easier to deal with it now then wait until you want to install something else only to have apt-get complain at you... Your choice of course :) |
| 05:05.08 | CosmicRay | I am used to dealing with apt-get complaints. |
| 05:05.13 | CosmicRay | I run sid on my workstations. ;-) |
| 05:05.55 | CosmicRay | nelson: your name sounds *very* familiar but I can't quite place it. |
| 05:06.35 | nelson | CosmicRay: google for "russ" |
| 05:06.42 | johnx | nelson, if you still have problems after reboot you might want to see if something is hogging all your /tmp space |
| 05:06.54 | nelson | CosmicRay: context: packet drivers, freemacs, qmail, open source initiative. |
| 05:07.14 | CosmicRay | nelson: it appears you make people happy, own a restaurant, and are a cultural phenomenon in Norway ;-) |
| 05:07.15 | CosmicRay | ah! |
| 05:07.16 | nelson | johnx: the reboot fixed it. |
| 05:07.25 | nelson | CosmicRay: all of the above! |
| 05:07.28 | CosmicRay | heh |
| 05:07.59 | nelson | ZOMG I'm not on the top page anymore. |
| 05:08.12 | CosmicRay | heh |
| 05:08.17 | nelson | oh, how the mighty have fallen! |
| 05:08.26 | johnx | keep hanging out here. The maemo irc logs show up on google a lot :) |
| 05:08.33 | CosmicRay | I suspect I used your packet drivers and maybe talked with you when I was on the SPI board? |
| 05:08.52 | CosmicRay | or maybe I just read your mails during the Nth Great Unpleasantness ;-) |
| 05:09.02 | nelson | CosmicRay: probably the latter. Yep, likely. :-) |
| 05:09.06 | CosmicRay | hehe |
| 05:09.38 | CosmicRay | incidentally, googling for john will not find me. |
| 05:09.48 | GeneralAntilles | The ASSIGNED practice in Bugzilla seems really random. . . . |
| 05:10.33 | CosmicRay | I am also confused about the "last updated" field in the new mail client |
| 05:10.41 | CosmicRay | send & receive doesn't seem to make it update |
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| 05:19.40 | nelson | should /tmp be only 512k? |
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| 05:21.40 | rm_you | i dont even make the front page of google for my LAST name >_< |
| 05:21.47 | rm_you | and i dont really have a common last name :/ |
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| 05:28.01 | GeneralAntilles | Woo second hit |
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| 06:04.02 | mib_4wlxyu | anyone have the iphone keyboard working? |
| 06:05.04 | tank-man | wrong channel? |
| 06:05.22 | mib_4wlxyu | for the n800 |
| 06:05.38 | mib_4wlxyu | is there a different channel that i might be better suited asking in? |
| 06:06.15 | tank-man | i dont know what an iphone keyboard is |
| 06:06.31 | mib_4wlxyu | http://blog.gustavobarbieri.com.br/2007/07/24/iphone-like-virtual-keyboard-for-n800/ |
| 06:06.50 | mib_4wlxyu | its just the iphone keyboard but on the n800, the iphone is a popular cell phone going around. |
| 06:07.05 | mib_4wlxyu | which has its own touch screen keyboard layout. |
| 06:08.31 | johnx | it was never released. apparently it didn't work out too well |
| 06:09.10 | mib_4wlxyu | are they any other alternate keyboard layouts? I installed ukeyboards |
| 06:11.21 | GAN800 | Jaffa, poke. |
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| 06:14.08 | johnx | mib_4wlxyu, well there's a dvorak layout here: http://upir.cz/maemo/keyboards/ |
| 06:14.23 | johnx | and you could always make your own *hint, hint, poke, poke* |
| 06:15.32 | mib_4wlxyu | thanks |
| 06:16.47 | GAN800 | Hrm, who added a captcha to the wiki? |
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| 06:26.13 | GAN800 | http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Task:Getting_Nokia_involved_in_Bugzilla&rcid=5041 |
| 06:26.38 | GAN800 | if anybody wants to jump in. |
| 06:27.55 | gramulhaozin | hey guys |
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| 06:42.32 | atul | Hi facing "/scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set" Inside Scratch-box. Why so ? and How to fix ? |
| 06:48.51 | XTLi | I guess that isn't set by the target.. |
| 06:49.53 | XTLi | Wiki says it overrides a conffile setting |
| 06:49.54 | atul | XTLi, so how to do it ? |
| 06:50.23 | XTLi | It shouldn't be an error, I think |
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| 06:50.28 | XTLi | But you can just set (export) it if you wnt |
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| 06:51.21 | XTLi | Unless your target really doesn't have cpu transparency set. |
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| 06:58.14 | Italodance | http://maemo.org/news/events/maemo-org_sprint3_irc_planning_meeting/ |
| 06:58.15 | Italodance | :D |
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| 07:02.51 | gramulhaozin | hey |
| 07:03.01 | gramulhaozin | is it easy to get online from blueetooth dun ? |
| 07:03.56 | johnx | gramulhaozin, it should be, yes |
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| 07:04.37 | gramulhaozin | johnx: do you use it ? |
| 07:04.48 | johnx | nope. but a lot of other people do |
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| 07:27.10 | hrw | morning |
| 07:27.44 | johnx | mornin' :) |
| 07:30.08 | Jaffa | gramulhaozin: BT DUN is supposed out-of-the-box. |
| 07:31.40 | gramulhaozin | Jaffa: got it |
| 07:31.40 | gramulhaozin | it's nice |
| 07:31.45 | Jaffa | cool |
| 07:31.46 | gramulhaozin | I was thinking about it |
| 07:31.51 | gramulhaozin | and saw a video on youtube about it |
| 07:32.25 | gramulhaozin | Jaffa: is the GPS still really slow ? |
| 07:36.33 | Jaffa | A-GPS helps |
| 07:37.32 | hrw | a bit |
| 07:38.36 | gramulhaozin | Jaffa: no the regular GPS on the N810 |
| 07:38.44 | gramulhaozin | does it takes 5 minutes to find the sattelites still ? |
| 07:39.05 | hrw | gramulhaozin: n810 gps is a-gps |
| 07:39.34 | hrw | gramulhaozin: and for Diablo there is application to fetch satelite datas for agps. |
| 07:39.52 | hrw | but it looks like each time when gps is started it do cold fix instead of trying to reuse data from last fix |
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| 07:40.41 | gramulhaozin | a-gps is different from GPS ? |
| 07:42.44 | johnx | AGPS = assisted GPS. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGPS |
| 07:44.01 | gramulhaozin | Jaffa: but why does it take 5 minutes to get gps lock on the N810 ? |
| 07:45.07 | johnx | gramulhaozin, it has a crappy GPS chipset and/or antenna and you're not using the A-GPS support |
| 07:45.38 | johnx | gramulhaozin, http://www.nokia.com/A41163987 |
| 07:45.42 | gramulhaozin | johnx: you mean on the N810 ? |
| 07:45.53 | johnx | yes |
| 07:46.46 | gramulhaozin | my old ass gps locks in about 30 seconds |
| 07:46.55 | gramulhaozin | it's and old ass navman |
| 07:47.00 | johnx | that's nice |
| 07:47.21 | gramulhaozin | a-gps uses the internet right ? |
| 07:47.40 | johnx | it can use different methods to assist the GPS |
| 07:47.46 | johnx | it's a whole bunch of technologies |
| 07:48.45 | gramulhaozin | johnx: so without a-gps how long does it takes to lock ? |
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| 07:49.00 | johnx | I don't even have an n810, but it would depend on the situation |
| 07:49.27 | johnx | no offense, but this has all been covered before. Try searching. |
| 07:49.40 | hrw | gramulhaozin: with or without it can takes eons or seconds |
| 07:49.46 | hrw | usually longer then shorter |
| 07:50.43 | gramulhaozin | johnx: |
| 07:50.50 | gramulhaozin | people are saying 5 minutes |
| 07:50.52 | gramulhaozin | 3 minutes |
| 07:51.06 | zap | VERY IMPORTANT WARNING TO THOSE WHO USE sudser: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=205356&postcount=15 |
| 07:52.59 | johnx | gramulhaozin, well those are certainly between seconds and eons, so I'd be inclined to agree that those are possible numbers |
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| 07:53.09 | gramulhaozin | wow |
| 07:53.12 | gramulhaozin | but that's slow ass |
| 07:53.24 | qwerty12 | zap: if you want to be really geeky, keyboard + fb_update_mode would let you enter a password :/ |
| 07:53.27 | gramulhaozin | need to go to Home Depot, okay wait 10 minutes to find satellite lock |
| 07:53.28 | gramulhaozin | that's alot |
| 07:54.01 | X-Fade | gramulhaozin: With a-gps I normally get fixes in about a minute. |
| 07:54.01 | johnx | it depends on the conditions |
| 07:54.12 | hrw | X-Fade: lucky you |
| 07:54.29 | gramulhaozin | so I would not think about n810 as a GPS |
| 07:54.30 | johnx | gramulhaozin, having a clear view of the of southern sky helps, using A-GPS helps, getting a warm fix helps |
| 07:54.38 | hrw | my n810 usually starts from 0/0 satelites even if I use a-gps ui before |
| 07:54.38 | XTLi | Haven't tried very recently |
| 07:54.46 | pupnik | right gramulhaozin |
| 07:54.56 | gramulhaozin | :( |
| 07:55.05 | hrw | I think that it should start from 0/11 0/12 after agps-ui use... or after older fix |
| 07:55.06 | X-Fade | hrw: With a-gps I get my 12 sats info in about 30 seconds. |
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| 07:55.18 | gramulhaozin | I will try that |
| 07:55.27 | pupnik | usually i only get 4 and no lock (trees, germany) |
| 07:55.35 | gramulhaozin | I wanted to trow away my old ass navman |
| 07:55.41 | pupnik | no not with a n810 |
| 07:55.42 | gramulhaozin | but looks like it will need to stay |
| 07:55.54 | pupnik | depends on your location and enviro though |
| 07:55.54 | johnx | pupnik, maybe try climbing one of the trees |
| 07:56.20 | pupnik | i really have no problem walking out into the middile of a park |
| 07:56.34 | pupnik | and holding my n810 up towards the sun and freezing in that position for 5 minutes |
| 07:56.50 | gramulhaozin | wow |
| 07:56.53 | pupnik | if anyone asks i'll mumble something about facing the sleeper beneath the sea |
| 07:56.53 | gramulhaozin | 5 minutes dude |
| 07:57.00 | gramulhaozin | that's unusable |
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| 07:57.05 | pupnik | and like the shoggoths |
| 07:57.23 | aquatix | does the gps subsystem remember the last lock? |
| 07:57.26 | aquatix | *fix |
| 07:57.26 | gramulhaozin | I hate to have 300 gears in the car |
| 07:57.33 | gramulhaozin | my car doesn't have any space for anything |
| 07:57.47 | X-Fade | aquatix: Only within 2 minutes orso. |
| 07:57.55 | XTLi | Not woth that shifter, I'm sure |
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| 07:58.15 | johnx | XTL, that's exactly what I was thinking :D |
| 07:58.26 | pupnik | X-Fade: will agps 'learn' about wifi spots as it passes by them? |
| 07:58.31 | florian | hi all |
| 07:58.37 | johnx | my car only has 6 gears (including reverse) :/ |
| 07:58.39 | X-Fade | pupnik: I don't think so. |
| 07:59.04 | X-Fade | pupnik: That is why there is a request for GeoClue -> a-gps ;) |
| 07:59.25 | johnx | pupnik, that might make a neat thing to do with dbus-scripts though in the reverse order |
| 07:59.26 | pupnik | ah ty |
| 07:59.48 | johnx | on connect -> add a tag to the current network with it's lat/lon |
| 07:59.56 | pupnik | johnx: how reverse? if gps has a lock and it sees a wifi, it would be nice to save that info |
| 08:00.08 | pupnik | oh i see yes |
| 08:00.20 | pupnik | that would be 3rd party doable :) |
| 08:00.32 | johnx | make a database of wifi point locations :) |
| 08:00.43 | pupnik | well i think kismet can do this |
| 08:00.53 | pupnik | and it's preferable to active scanning |
| 08:00.59 | X-Fade | maemo-plazer :) |
| 08:01.15 | johnx | really needs to get a bt gps |
| 08:02.58 | gramulhaozin | johnx: frustrated with the built in gps ? |
| 08:03.06 | johnx | johnx has an n800 |
| 08:03.09 | johnx | no GPS for him :/ |
| 08:03.48 | johnx | pupnik, and kismet is pretty shaky even in the best situation |
| 08:05.08 | pupnik | stability? |
| 08:05.26 | johnx | monitor mode isn't exactly awesome on the cx3110x |
| 08:05.31 | pupnik | on 770 it was solid for me. haven't used much on n810, but i remember some problems initializing |
| 08:05.40 | johnx | there are some...issues on the n8x0 systems |
| 08:06.04 | johnx | it seems like it's working but it seems to create hundreds of "ghost" access points or something |
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| 08:06.54 | johnx | anyways, I don't want a db of thousands of locked down, non-public access points. All I want to add are places where I've successfully used an AP |
| 08:07.03 | johnx | the maemo-plazer thing looks nice for that |
| 08:08.17 | gramulhaozin | john ?do you ever drive somewhere just to get free internet ? |
| 08:08.29 | johnx | heh...definitely not |
| 08:08.47 | johnx | my car is sitting parked in another country right now :) |
| 08:08.54 | pupnik | funny lwn (lkml, linus, and funny comments) |
| 08:08.54 | qwerty12 | Be careful what you say here, this channel is logged and I send a copy to the government every week. |
| 08:09.33 | johnx | qwerty12, :P |
| 08:09.44 | qwerty12 | hehe |
| 08:09.53 | derf | This channel's logs _do_ show up often in Google searches. |
| 08:10.06 | qwerty12 | Meh, I'd probably get incriminated with some of the stuff I've said on here :P |
| 08:10.24 | pupnik | johnx, you do understand that my original query was about collecting snapshots of wlans at various locations for storage in a local cache that can be searched (quickly) for currently-in-range wlans and thereby retrieve their gps locations for the assist. just to be clear. |
| 08:10.47 | johnx | pupnik, aaah, nope, I read it the same way x-fade did |
| 08:11.23 | johnx | nevermind, actually I just only thought of half of why it would be cool |
| 08:11.34 | pupnik | ok |
| 08:11.40 | johnx | but I get it now |
| 08:11.55 | pupnik | that database might be quite large... depending on how often/far you travel |
| 08:11.55 | johnx | the only hard part would be feeding it back into A-GPS |
| 08:11.59 | pupnik | yep |
| 08:12.35 | pupnik | i could also make a nice algo for the cache |
| 08:12.47 | johnx | but an additional field that confirmed that a certain AP in that db was an open, public AP you'd successfully used before would be nice too |
| 08:12.54 | pupnik | oh sure |
| 08:14.46 | johnx | it's surprising how bad the N810's GPS/AGPS is. My free-with-contract phone takes at most a minute to get a lock even in rather dense downtown areas |
| 08:15.03 | GAN800 | Any reason the bootmenu d initfs_flasher couldn't go in Extras or Extras-devel? |
| 08:15.06 | pupnik | possibly it was designed for a plastic case? |
| 08:15.19 | pupnik | maybe it's too haxxorish? |
| 08:15.33 | XTLi | I think it's the case/form not being the best for rf comms as well |
| 08:15.39 | johnx | pupnik, I think the same GPS isn't exactly working well for the N95 either... |
| 08:17.00 | pupnik | somebody take it apart and test it without the case :D |
| 08:17.22 | XTLi | Undoubtedly Nokia has good antenna people etc, but you do get constraints on a device like this. |
| 08:17.26 | pupnik | maybe I could try without battery cover? |
| 08:17.27 | pupnik | yes |
| 08:17.47 | qwerty12 | You should have got AStorm to try when he disassembled his N810. |
| 08:17.48 | johnx | also having the keyboard open or closed might make a difference |
| 08:18.13 | XTLi | If the nit was a "real" navigator, they'd propably try harder or compromise elsewhere. |
| 08:18.41 | XTLi | Of course they might just have picked poor (cheap, small) parts |
| 08:18.48 | johnx | I think A-GPS must work a lot better for cell phones |
| 08:19.05 | johnx | XTL, I think that both parts are likely |
| 08:19.25 | johnx | The marketing for the GPS chip they chose screamed "bargain basement" |
| 08:19.47 | pupnik | what about a project bourse for maemo projects. subscribers pledge donations to a completed task. indy developer does it, releases it to the site - then after a quick check the site admin awards the project bounty |
| 08:19.53 | GAN800 | Anybody have some input for me on that '/usr on sd' article on the wiki? |
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| 08:20.12 | GAN800 | I really want it gone. Bad article, bad info. |
| 08:20.14 | pupnik | cause auto-learning wlan agps assist could really help my device |
| 08:20.44 | X-Fade | pupnik: Do you move around more than 100KM a lot? |
| 08:20.51 | pupnik | X-Fade: no |
| 08:20.58 | X-Fade | Then it wouldn't matter ;) |
| 08:20.59 | XTLi | I still thing filesystem overlays and per-process fs namespaces would be a neat way to install sw |
| 08:21.08 | pupnik | bummer ok ty |
| 08:21.08 | wazd | morning all :) |
| 08:21.15 | pupnik | GAN800: will look |
| 08:21.19 | X-Fade | There is no need for accurate a-gps info. |
| 08:21.40 | XTLi | Wouldn't have to worry about fs space when each app could be whereever |
| 08:21.40 | GAN800 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Ext2_file_system_on_flash_card_partition |
| 08:21.42 | X-Fade | It needs to generally know what satellites to expect. But margin of error can be as much as 100KM. |
| 08:21.57 | johnx | XTLi, it would mainly help for games I think |
| 08:22.07 | johnx | otherwise everyone would have to repackage all the same dependencies |
| 08:22.27 | X-Fade | Problem is that the gps feature doesn't remember where it was the last time. Or at least doesn't use that info correctly. |
| 08:22.29 | GAN800 | That method offers no advantages to full-on sd booting and lots of disadvantages. |
| 08:22.32 | XTLi | Deps would have to be mounted first, yes |
| 08:22.52 | XTLi | Or be builtin to each image or root |
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| 08:23.31 | johnx | GAN800, does it work at all? |
| 08:23.42 | XTLi | Unlikely to come up on Linux anytime soon, though |
| 08:23.52 | GAN800 | X-Fade you catch my proposal for a Bugzilla meeting after the sprint review? |
| 08:24.02 | XTLi | Not a dist with legacy anyway. |
| 08:24.02 | GAN800 | johnx, sure, but not well. |
| 08:24.16 | X-Fade | GAN800: Nope. |
| 08:24.17 | johnx | GAN800, then leave it in place and stick a big warning at the top |
| 08:24.22 | pupnik | GAN800: perhaps the article should refer to the alternative of installing the full FS to flash and multibooting? |
| 08:24.29 | pupnik | right |
| 08:24.34 | GAN800 | You're much better off using sd booting and that article will just confuse people. |
| 08:24.48 | pupnik | maybe some people don't want to mess with the bootloader for some reason |
| 08:25.03 | GAN800 | That's one option, but even with a health warning the article is in terrible shape. . . . |
| 08:25.05 | pupnik | though i have no idea why the howto mentions reflashing |
| 08:25.31 | GAN800 | and I'm not going to put any effort into making it not suck. |
| 08:25.44 | GAN800 | X-Fade, hit the sprint3 talk page. |
| 08:26.04 | GAN800 | If I'm not going to put the effort in, I doubt anybody else will. |
| 08:26.06 | pupnik | oh it already has 'what else you should consider' |
| 08:26.14 | pupnik | right near the top |
| 08:26.18 | GAN800 | So the article is doomed to suck for all eternity. |
| 08:26.28 | johnx | GAN800, yeah, kill it |
| 08:26.29 | GAN800 | and only serves to confuse people. |
| 08:26.45 | johnx | anyone who would benefit would figure this all out on their own |
| 08:26.50 | GAN800 | johnx, put a comment to that effect on the talk page. |
| 08:27.11 | GAN800 | Lacking good speedy deletion guidelines, I need some sort of concensus. |
| 08:28.33 | pupnik | where in the wiki are the guidelines outlined concerning what level of linux-user the wiki must address? |
| 08:28.37 | Jaffa | GAN800: BTW, I'm suggesting we start the election process in the next timebox^Wsprint. |
| 08:28.43 | X-Fade | GAN800: Where should I read that on the Sprint3 page? |
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| 08:29.08 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik, I think the idea is to address as large a group as possible. |
| 08:30.01 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:100Days/Sprint3 |
| 08:30.05 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, too. |
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| 08:32.29 | X-Fade | GAN800: I don't see any other bugzilla mentions other than the plugin? :) |
| 08:32.54 | GeneralAntilles | lol? https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:100Days/Sprint3#Bugzilla_Meeting |
| 08:33.22 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Ah doh.. The talk page ;) |
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| 08:33.52 | GeneralAntilles | pokes andre___. |
| 08:35.17 | johnx | now unionfs might be a really cool thing :) |
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| 08:36.27 | Jaffa | X-Fade: how's it going in getting wiki.maemo.org's SSL cert fixed? Wasn't going to raise an issue since you said it was being worked on, but it's still b0rked. |
| 08:36.48 | X-Fade | Jaffa: All people I need are back from holiday today ;) |
| 08:36.57 | X-Fade | Jaffa: So I'm optimistic now.. |
| 08:38.00 | johnx | Has anyone played with unionfs for the tablets? |
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| 08:40.48 | GeneralAntilles | For anybody who missed it the first time around: https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Getting_Nokia_involved_in_Bugzilla |
| 08:40.55 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, lifted some stuff from your article. |
| 08:41.32 | onion | where can I find gstreamer-tools for diablo ? |
| 08:42.17 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Bugjar + bugzilla wiki plugin can be a good tool for better visibility.. |
| 08:42.35 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Nicer reports at least :) |
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| 08:44.47 | XTLi | Re unionfs, there's also mhddfs |
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| 08:48.00 | XTLi | I'm guessing there's no fuse in the kernel though |
| 08:48.47 | johnx | XTLi, but there's a nice fuse package |
| 08:49.02 | XTLi | Oh? |
| 08:49.23 | johnx | onion, XTLi : look on gronmayer.com/it :) |
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| 08:49.46 | XTLi | Right. How didn't I think of that.. |
| 08:50.00 | onion | johnx: thanks |
| 08:50.15 | johnx | I hadn't heard of mhddfs though |
| 08:50.18 | johnx | I'll look at it |
| 08:50.32 | johnx | I think it might be really ideal for games with lots of data that want to look for it in a common place |
| 08:50.42 | XTLi | It was just what I needed on some system |
| 08:50.55 | johnx | and if it's fuse it doesn't need root permissions |
| 08:50.59 | XTLi | Haven't seen an unionfs since bsd forever ago |
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| 08:51.34 | johnx | there looks to be about 3 current unionfs implementations for linux...craziness |
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| 08:53.28 | johnx | mhddfs looks like it wouldn't make a good rootfs though :/ |
| 08:53.34 | johnx | that's always the problem... |
| 08:53.58 | XTLi | Heh, no. I don't think it would |
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| 08:55.46 | johnx | qwerty12, have you ever heard of unionfs? |
| 08:56.05 | qwerty12 | johnx: yes, I did a 1/2 port to the N800 |
| 08:56.26 | qwerty12 | (The module itself works, the scripts don't :/) |
| 08:56.41 | qwerty12 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19104 |
| 08:57.12 | johnx | I was toying with the idea of trying to setup some kind of common framework for packaging games and other sometimes-used big programs as an fs overlay |
| 08:58.01 | qwerty12 | I know pipeline is using iso images that are mounted. |
| 08:58.11 | johnx | ah, right |
| 08:58.14 | johnx | that's who it was |
| 08:58.17 | johnx | searches |
| 08:58.23 | Khertan_TheReal | Hi ! |
| 08:58.30 | qwerty12 | Hi Khertan_TheReal |
| 08:58.33 | johnx | hey Khertan_TheReal |
| 08:59.33 | Khertan_TheReal | noone have made a new magical tool that can made source package to enable me to made package onboard to update it onboard to maemo extras ? |
| 08:59.35 | Khertan_TheReal | :) |
| 09:00.04 | qwerty12 | I believe that magical tool is called dpkg-buildpackage |
| 09:00.37 | johnx | Khertan_TheReal, you could try to install the debian packaging tools from the maemo-sdk repository (dpkg-dev dpkg-buildpackage) |
| 09:00.45 | Khertan_TheReal | yes the same one that don't work on the device :) |
| 09:01.16 | Khertan_TheReal | and once i ve successfully install all depandancies ... the device don't boot anymore ... |
| 09:01.16 | johnx | why don't they work? |
| 09:01.25 | johnx | ah |
| 09:01.27 | Khertan_TheReal | sh: bad signal 's' |
| 09:01.41 | Khertan_TheReal | busybox powa ... |
| 09:01.46 | johnx | heh |
| 09:01.54 | johnx | yeah, no luck I guess |
| 09:01.57 | Khertan_TheReal | so i ve install many thing :) |
| 09:02.04 | Khertan_TheReal | and at the end ... crash |
| 09:02.06 | Khertan_TheReal | :) |
| 09:02.23 | Khertan_TheReal | johnx > no luck ... yes it s the word |
| 09:02.50 | Khertan_TheReal | i think i ll take less time to do my own repository and auto upload website |
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| 09:06.40 | Jaffa | amirullah seems to be having real problems getting his logo entries to display. |
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| 09:13.54 | GeneralAntilles | OK, emailed -community about the meeting. |
| 09:14.14 | GeneralAntilles | Hopefully we'll be able to get some real traction going on some of these tasks tomorrow. |
| 09:15.57 | qwerty12 | ~lart git |
| 09:15.57 | infobot | whips git with a wet and grimy noodle just because |
| 09:18.41 | sp3000 | is sure git can handle noodles just fine |
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| 09:22.27 | qwerty12 | Does gitweb have an option to download a tarball then? repo.or.cz is messing me around :/ |
| 09:25.06 | MangoFusion | bah, i just use github. easy as pie there ;) |
| 09:26.01 | qwerty12 | This isn't my projects :P, I'm trying to grab a few |
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| 09:26.28 | qwerty12 | Anyway, just figured it out :/ |
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| 09:35.40 | hrw | is there a documentation on how to make own dictionary for predicting input? |
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| 09:45.42 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, awesome: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=205375&postcount=19 <_< |
| 09:46.31 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles: Fuck that guy, poom don't even know what he is talking about. |
| 09:46.58 | GeneralAntilles | He posts shit like that all the time. |
| 09:47.02 | GeneralAntilles | So irritating |
| 09:53.27 | zap | GeneralAntilles: I know what dependencies he meant, kernel-flasher & company |
| 09:53.46 | GeneralAntilles | zap, likely. |
| 09:54.35 | GeneralAntilles | But the actual dependencies are rather less relevant than the fact that he's an idiot denigrating a perfectly good package for no good reason. |
| 09:55.59 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia should just go ahead and push something trivial through SSU so we don't have to deal with that stupidity anymore |
| 09:56.16 | zap | yes, rootsh hadn't broken any devices :) it even saved my friend's device |
| 09:56.52 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, something to kill^H^H^H^Hfix annoying users? |
| 09:57.22 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, think we can reliably determine whether somebody's an idiot in 10 questions or less? :D |
| 09:57.26 | zap | I just think that guy was pissed off when he tried to apt-get rootsh and failed |
| 09:57.44 | qwerty12 | How do you apt-get rootsh without having root access :P |
| 09:57.50 | zap | he did not understood that it's not rootsh's problem |
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| 09:58.12 | zap | qwerty12: perhaps he had becomeroot or something installed |
| 09:58.18 | johnx | or ssh |
| 09:58.23 | zap | or that |
| 09:58.26 | GeneralAntilles | zap, he has a history of idiocy. |
| 09:58.53 | qwerty12 | True. If he had becomeroot installed, then it would have showed up as an conflicting package. There I can see his dependency problem. |
| 09:58.54 | zap | well, thats another story :) |
| 09:59.22 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm, the missing flash-and-reboot stuff will show up for any install on a clean Diablo, right? |
| 09:59.31 | qwerty12 | Yeah :/ |
| 09:59.37 | GeneralAntilles | doesn't feel like digging out a USB cable to flash his sister's N800 to confirm. |
| 09:59.44 | GeneralAntilles | OK, good, I'm filing a bug now. ;) |
| 10:00.18 | qwerty12 | I know if I flashed my sister's k750, she would kill me :P |
| 10:00.44 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, feel like grabbing as many of the "What are theses missing depencies threads" off itT as possible while I hit the mailing lists and finish up the bug? |
| 10:01.10 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles: Ok |
| 10:01.26 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: got OS X up & running yesterday so will try and rename and iron out a few bugs in 770Flasher.app |
| 10:01.28 | zap | it's a known problem, Nokia have explained it on the mailing list |
| 10:01.32 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe a list of 2 dozen threads will convince them to hurry up with an SSU update. |
| 10:01.39 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, awesome! |
| 10:01.45 | GeneralAntilles | zap, yes, I'm well aware |
| 10:01.53 | GeneralAntilles | The bug is for them to hurry up and push an SSU update. |
| 10:02.14 | GeneralAntilles | Explaining to newbies that they have to run apt-get -f install is getting a little old |
| 10:02.23 | GeneralAntilles | and is leading to a lot of misconceptions |
| 10:02.30 | zap | well if it's a newbie he won't get root access :) |
| 10:07.05 | andre___ | GeneralAntilles, pong (but I guess that I'm too late now that I've read your mail already. Sounds good to me) |
| 10:07.23 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles: http://slexy.org/view/s2akzjDOg5 |
| 10:07.40 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: might even try to get 0xffff as the underlying flasher and so remove the dependency on Nokia |
| 10:07.46 | GeneralAntilles | Beautiful. Thanks, qwerty12. |
| 10:08.17 | qwerty12 | No problem. Thanks for filing the bug, Nokia need to get a move on :P |
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| 10:18.17 | atul | Hi, [sbox-CHINOOK_RAMEL: ~] > fakeroot apt-get install maemo-sdk-runtime => Error loading /usr/bin/apt-get |
| 10:18.26 | atul | How to fix ? |
| 10:18.30 | GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3478 |
| 10:18.39 | GeneralAntilles | It's, of course, not going to have any effect |
| 10:18.43 | GeneralAntilles | But we can hope. |
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| 10:22.38 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, you, if anybody, might have poked at this, but any idea how to cleanly get Application manager to follow the theme's text color? |
| 10:22.41 | Khertan_TheReal | Jaffa > osx ... do u have a mac ? |
| 10:23.26 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles: No, sorry, I've never actually noticed. |
| 10:23.51 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, IIRC, the theme is hard coded into the appman |
| 10:24.07 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, just needed to add support for it |
| 10:24.32 | Khertan_TheReal | about the post of suduser and white screen ... |
| 10:24.45 | qwerty12 | I'd offer a recompile but my last recompile of the application-manager killed it off. apt-get install --reinstall hildon-application-manager saved my ass :/ |
| 10:25.04 | Khertan_TheReal | do u know what the problem with the white screen ? |
| 10:25.21 | GeneralAntilles | They switched to Cairo for rendering the list in Diablo. |
| 10:25.25 | Khertan_TheReal | as i get the same thing :) |
| 10:25.34 | GeneralAntilles | Khertan_TheReal, it's waiting for a password. |
| 10:25.41 | Khertan_TheReal | ah ... |
| 10:25.42 | Khertan_TheReal | oki |
| 10:25.49 | Khertan_TheReal | so mine prob is different :) |
| 10:25.58 | XTLi | Didn't rpm have an option to repack an installed package into .rpm? |
| 10:26.13 | XTLi | Evil, but funny. |
| 10:26.21 | qwerty12 | keeps meaning to try out fedora :/ |
| 10:26.24 | johnx | XTLi, you might be interested in dpkg-repack :) |
| 10:26.40 | crashanddie | debian packager for .rpm ? |
| 10:26.42 | crashanddie | now that's evil |
| 10:26.46 | XTLi | I was jus wondering about that :) |
| 10:26.51 | johnx | crashanddie, nah, that's alien |
| 10:26.59 | johnx | dpkg-repack is pretty useful though |
| 10:26.59 | crashanddie | johnx, isn't that the same thing ? |
| 10:27.04 | qwerty12 | <3's alien |
| 10:27.11 | johnx | crashanddie, dpkg-repack and alien? no totally different |
| 10:27.18 | XTLi | Making rollback packages was the intended use I think |
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| 10:33.16 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, ping re #3477 |
| 10:33.35 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Yes? |
| 10:33.35 | GeneralAntilles | What are your bits? |
| 10:33.43 | GeneralAntilles | You're seeing the classification page, right? |
| 10:34.17 | X-Fade | Yep. |
| 10:34.32 | GeneralAntilles | Well, normal users shouldn't be seeing that. |
| 10:34.45 | GeneralAntilles | So, the bug is mostly irrelevant for the time being. |
| 10:35.07 | GeneralAntilles | It'll be one of the bits your account has set that's making that show up for you. |
| 10:35.08 | X-Fade | Ah, well.. |
| 10:35.34 | GeneralAntilles | We're mostly waiting to get with ferenc or guenther to update the templates. |
| 10:35.34 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I just saw a new 'All' option show up, and I _hate_ those ;) |
| 10:36.41 | GeneralAntilles | Which is one of the things we'll need to discuss during the Bugzilla meeting tomorrow. |
| 10:37.09 | atul | hi apt-get update is failing why so ? Anything going on web site side. |
| 10:37.11 | atul | It is unable to download the things/ |
| 10:37.27 | GeneralAntilles | But, uh, the plan at the moment is to move the website into its own classification, and move the current components up to products. |
| 10:38.27 | X-Fade | Yeah, that would be a good thing. |
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| 10:41.55 | GeneralAntilles | My current idea for the template would be something along the lines of: <h1>'s for Maemo Software, Nokia, and Website with descriptions and a list of their components under each, and an <h1> for Garage with a description down at the bottom that takes you to a page with all Garage products. |
| 10:42.06 | GeneralAntilles | So there _probably_ wont be a need for All |
| 10:42.17 | X-Fade | Goood :) |
| 10:42.22 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:43.06 | timeless | i'd stick all in small at the +bottom+ |
| 10:43.24 | Jaffa | Khertan_TheReal: not exactly, just wanted enough of a dev environment on my primarily Linux box to update the flasher etc |
| 10:45.25 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, you need a new, more generic icon. |
| 10:45.35 | GeneralAntilles | 512x512 preferably. ;) |
| 10:45.38 | Jaffa | Indeed. Provisions welcome :) |
| 10:46.01 | Jaffa | ...and a name. Tablet Flasher's a bit boring. "Flasher for Maemo" I did think of with the new TM/brand guidelines |
| 10:46.55 | XTLi | Masher |
| 10:46.59 | GeneralAntilles | I like Tablet Flasher myself |
| 10:47.01 | Jaffa | But "Flasher" is a technical term. "Updater" might be better. I'll also want beta testers with varying versions of OS X and a willingness to reflash devices |
| 10:47.11 | GeneralAntilles | Boring, but it gets the point across with little ambiguity. |
| 10:47.17 | Jaffa | true |
| 10:47.36 | GeneralAntilles | Fits with things like tablet-encode and tablet-browser, too. |
| 10:48.16 | GeneralAntilles | The community uses "flash", "flasher" and "flashing" extensively enough that you're probably better off just using that. |
| 10:48.39 | GeneralAntilles | My personal feeling is that "Updater" is mildly confusing in light of SSU. |
| 10:49.11 | qwerty12 | The OS X/Linux flasher itself is called flasher too :/. Although you could argue that the windows one says update. |
| 10:49.24 | GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Drivers_justification#The_GPL_violation_issue |
| 10:50.43 | Jaffa | qwerty12: yeah, it was the name of the Windows one which prompted that thought |
| 10:51.55 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe if it were officially sanctioned by Nokia |
| 10:52.01 | GeneralAntilles | and appeared on the support pages |
| 10:52.23 | GeneralAntilles | But seeing as it's going to be community tool that's community supported. . . . |
| 10:52.41 | GeneralAntilles | s/it's going/it's/ |
| 10:52.54 | GeneralAntilles | Bleh |
| 10:53.25 | qwerty12 | It wouldn't appear on www.nokia.com for sure. www.maemo.org maybe, but they seem to be pretty stringent about it by the fact that you have to accept an license agreement. |
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| 10:56.29 | qwerty12 | thinks the flasher features of the OS X/Linux and the Windows flasher needs to be unified. |
| 10:56.37 | Khertan_n810 | Hi again :) |
| 10:57.00 | Khertan_n810 | think windows flasher isn t needed |
| 10:57.04 | GeneralAntilles | andre___, FTV == Fit width to view |
| 10:57.06 | RST38h | boo. |
| 10:57.39 | qwerty12 | Khertan_n810: It is when the update servers are bogged down and the windows flasher can do load balancing :/ |
| 10:57.45 | RST38h | thinks linux fanboys should go screw a penguin, while windows firmware updater stays |
| 10:58.01 | andre___ | FTV? WT...? :-) |
| 10:58.25 | Khertan_n810 | qwerty12 > before load balancing we need real server |
| 10:58.26 | GeneralAntilles | #1884 is resolved. ;) |
| 10:58.46 | GeneralAntilles | Also, if you were seeing library packages in Chinook, then it wasn't "broken", you had Red Pill enabled. :P |
| 10:58.48 | Khertan_n810 | today i must download 4 time firmware |
| 10:59.08 | Khertan_n810 | as firmware file was truncated 3 time |
| 10:59.14 | GeneralAntilles | Khertan_n810, keep the image on your hard drive this time. ;) |
| 10:59.24 | GeneralAntilles | That'd be a caching network issue, anyway. |
| 10:59.27 | XTLi | Torrent :) |
| 10:59.39 | Khertan_n810 | yes but my hard have failed recently |
| 11:00.05 | Khertan_n810 | Torrent without seed ? |
| 11:00.18 | andre___ | yeah, i probably was on red pill. never realized, though |
| 11:00.43 | Jaffa | "Tablet Flasher" probably wins then. I'll await GA's new icon with baited breath :) |
| 11:00.47 | GeneralAntilles | Red Pill is mildly evil |
| 11:01.04 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, you'll be waiting until at least the end of August. |
| 11:01.13 | Khertan_n810 | do u know why application manager try to use the disabled proxy and apt-get update in cmd line work ? |
| 11:01.15 | GeneralAntilles | I'm not trying my hand at anything until I get back to my rig. ;) |
| 11:01.16 | Jaffa | s/is mildly evil/the most wildly propagated piece of bad advice in the history of the world... ever/ |
| 11:01.29 | qwerty12 | Jaffa: In |
| 11:01.32 | qwerty12 | Oops |
| 11:01.34 | Jaffa | Fair enough. I'll try and do something abstract and shiny. |
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| 11:02.01 | GeneralAntilles | The Application manager icon on the Home view in Application manager probably needs to change to an exploding bomb when Red Pill is enabled. |
| 11:02.06 | Jaffa | It's either that, or write code in XCode which isn't ObjectiveC. Probably Ruby, but dunno how well that works in non-10.5. |
| 11:02.44 | Khertan_n810 | jaffa > i can help u in objc if u need |
| 11:02.47 | GeneralAntilles | 10.4 should ship with it. |
| 11:03.16 | Khertan_n810 | i ve made many dev in objc in the past |
| 11:03.32 | crashanddie | I'll stfu |
| 11:03.38 | Khertan_n810 | particulary some driver |
| 11:03.42 | Khertan_n810 | s |
| 11:04.05 | RST38h | macos uses drivers written in objc? |
| 11:04.36 | Khertan_n810 | it can |
| 11:04.40 | GeneralAntilles | has an uncontrollable urge to thumb all planet posts with "Spam my stupid blog everywhere, pls!!!!!" links at the bottom. |
| 11:05.33 | RST38h | khertan: ah, the horror... |
| 11:05.54 | Jaffa | Khertan_n810: I'd hoped ObjC was more like C#/Vala/Java... it appears to eschew standard syntax to Just Be Different[TM]. I've no real desire to fight through syntax. I may stick with the current Perl app with Platypus wrapper, TBH; with the Perl app wrapping up a 0xffff executable if possible. |
| 11:06.04 | RST38h | ga: you know there is only one solution, dont you? |
| 11:06.26 | RST38h | jaffa: it is more like smalltalk |
| 11:06.35 | GeneralAntilles | Start spamming bug reports to have their feed removed from syndication? |
| 11:07.00 | RST38h | just because it is not like c++ does not mean it is nonstandard |
| 11:07.10 | RST38h | ga: of course not |
| 11:07.11 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 11:07.24 | RST38h | ga: the right answer is KILL ALL PEOPLE |
| 11:07.42 | Khertan_n810 | all is standard in this world look at xml office document |
| 11:07.43 | XTLi | Not like c++ is a big ++ in my book |
| 11:07.44 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 11:07.51 | RST38h | THAT will stop those pesky brats for good... |
| 11:08.15 | pupnik | http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00362/Tom_Moran_362519a.jpg oh yes! evil! :) (sfw) |
| 11:09.42 | crashanddie | [slashdot troll] But why use another language than C++ considering you can do everything with it ? |
| 11:10.16 | RST38h | define everything |
| 11:10.22 | Jaffa | RST38h: yeah, I don't like C++ much either. There're other languages I'd rather get more to grips with (e.g. Vala) than ObjectiveC given my now limited Mac usage. |
| 11:10.23 | crashanddie | #define everything * |
| 11:10.37 | XTLi | S/c++/brainf**k/ |
| 11:10.51 | Khertan_n810 | (applefanboystyle) because it s more simple to use objc |
| 11:11.05 | Khertan_n810 | goto++ powa ! |
| 11:11.30 | crashanddie | goto++ , |
| 11:11.31 | crashanddie | ? |
| 11:12.16 | crashanddie | lol, Khertan_n810 you french propagand artist |
| 11:12.25 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
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| 11:14.14 | crashanddie | Khertan: that's about as ridicule as Jayce with his MultiDeskOS |
| 11:15.22 | johnx | Stskeeps, did you do something to make the temp sensor work in debian? |
| 11:16.53 | Khertan_TheReal | re :) |
| 11:18.09 | crashanddie | lcuk_work, that was about time :P |
| 11:18.26 | lcuk_work | :D indeedy |
| 11:18.35 | lcuk_work | been busy |
| 11:18.46 | johnx | so busy you slept at the office? :) |
| 11:19.22 | lcuk_work | lol merely in a rush this morning :P |
| 11:19.28 | lcuk_work | got up late |
| 11:19.47 | crashanddie | no shit, you woke up in time for lunch : |
| 11:19.48 | crashanddie | :P |
| 11:19.49 | lcuk_work | i dunno why i went to sleep earlier than usual |
| 11:20.02 | crashanddie | lcuk_work, cuz you were tired ? |
| 11:20.15 | crashanddie | or do I sense a lack of comma there ? |
| 11:20.44 | lcuk_work | nahhh |
| 11:21.01 | lcuk_work | one minute i was reading the next i had missed my alarm clock |
| 11:21.24 | lcuk_work | i did have the good sense to actually lock my 810 and put it away though |
| 11:21.30 | lcuk_work | cant remember how |
| 11:21.50 | lcuk_work | makes mental note not to drink red wine again |
| 11:23.41 | pupnik | build good n810 habits for those 'special' times when you're not all there |
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| 11:23.56 | mikkov_ | Hi everybody. I am uploading blobwars to autobuilder |
| 11:24.04 | pupnik | yaay blobwars finally |
| 11:24.14 | pupnik | how much work was it? |
| 11:24.19 | mikkov_ | but isn't there dput in maemo-sdk? |
| 11:24.22 | qwerty12_N800 | great! i failed in getting that to run :) |
| 11:24.44 | qwerty12_N800 | mikkov_, you are meant do it outside sdk |
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| 11:25.14 | mikkov_ | made two changes to source and couple to makefile |
| 11:25.54 | RST38h | lcuk: I dont remember, have you found how to check what library a symbol belongs to? |
| 11:26.40 | mikkov_ | it would be easier if dput was in sdk, because I don't run debian or ubuntu and I don't wan't run any vmware stuff |
| 11:27.29 | qwerty12_N800 | it may be easier for now to use the web interface |
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| 11:28.53 | mikkov_ | yeah that's what I used. let's hope that package builds |
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| 11:35.27 | Stskeeps | johnx: err.. what temp sensor? |
| 11:35.42 | johnx | Stskeeps, the internal one :) |
| 11:35.50 | johnx | the one that can tell the temperature |
| 11:35.52 | johnx | that one |
| 11:35.52 | Stskeeps | johnx: is it n800 or n810 specific? but no, i did not |
| 11:35.58 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, ze i2c one :p |
| 11:35.59 | johnx | ah well, I think it works |
| 11:36.07 | johnx | must be standard hal stuff |
| 11:36.22 | Stskeeps | alright |
| 11:36.26 | Stskeeps | or hald-addon-bme |
| 11:36.33 | Stskeeps | or -gpio |
| 11:37.10 | qwerty12_N800 | cat /sys/devices/platform/i2c_omap.1/i2c-1/1-0048/temp1_input |
| 11:37.30 | Stskeeps | sounds like a thing to use on my "temperature in stskeeps' pocket" graph |
| 11:38.04 | GeneralAntilles | OMWeather is adding an entry for that sensor |
| 11:38.06 | GeneralAntilles | pretty cool |
| 11:38.14 | qwerty12_N800 | ripped from internal-temp : cat /sys/devices/platform/i2c_omap.1/i2c-1/1-0048/temp1_input | sed -e 's/\(.*\)\(..\).$/\1\.\2C/' |
| 11:38.57 | GeneralAntilles | I can't imagine what sort of operation those Fring guys are running |
| 11:40.59 | RST38h | judging from how shitty fring is on s60, they are running it out of a barn |
| 11:41.26 | RST38h | and use cheap undergraduate workforce |
| 11:41.41 | qwerty12_N800 | Their install procedure is quite unprofessional. |
| 11:43.21 | GeneralAntilles | Chinook Extras and Chinook SDK under Diablo. |
| 11:43.24 | GeneralAntilles | Awesome. |
| 11:43.34 | GeneralAntilles | I love how everybody on itT is totally enabling it, too. |
| 11:43.41 | GeneralAntilles | What are they after, anyway? |
| 11:43.56 | GeneralAntilles | Doesn't rtcomm/Pidgin provide the same stuff? |
| 11:44.21 | hrw | exactly |
| 11:44.26 | RST38h | they are after skype |
| 11:44.38 | RST38h | but they will never become skype |
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| 11:45.38 | XTLi | Which of course is nice |
| 11:46.22 | RST38h | it is neither nice nor bad |
| 11:46.46 | RST38h | just how things are |
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| 11:46.57 | lbt | I'm waiting for a telco to provide a SIP gateway with a billing/payment interface |
| 11:47.49 | mikkov_ | you can now try blobwars from extras-devel. tell how it works for you |
| 11:48.32 | qwerty12_N800 | thanks, updating repos now |
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| 11:49.27 | RST38h | where are fring guys based anyway? |
| 11:49.45 | GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fring |
| 11:49.48 | qwerty12_N800 | Tel Aviv |
| 11:50.01 | christefano | is there a utility that creates a menu of recently opened applications and documents? |
| 11:50.01 | RST38h | ah |
| 11:51.13 | RST38h | so fring/skype thing is roughly like icq/irc but there wontt be a coconut this time |
| 11:51.47 | lbt | seems more like pidgin vs AOL/MSN/Yahoo |
| 11:51.55 | timelyx | notes that icq was also from israel... |
| 11:51.57 | lbt | multi-protocol |
| 11:52.03 | lbt | but closed |
| 11:52.15 | RST38h | icq used irc for handshaking |
| 11:52.32 | RST38h | caused a lot of controversy once |
| 11:53.59 | wnd | speaking of sip/voip, have I missed something or is it really not possible to use the default pim-framework on diablo to talk to users on platforms other than maemo? separately started applications such as skype do not count. |
| 11:54.36 | lbt | by talk do you mean speech? |
| 11:54.57 | wnd | yes, which is why I mentioned voip |
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| 11:55.12 | RST38h | as long as you use gtalk it should work |
| 11:55.30 | RST38h | or standard sip |
| 11:56.53 | wnd | so far I've tried using gtalk and jabber, but I still can't start a voip-call to my wife's mac. she has tried both ichat and adium. |
| 11:57.18 | lcuk_work | wnd, is that a bug though? |
| 11:57.25 | wnd | I don't really know |
| 11:57.57 | wnd | I've only managed to create a voip call between two n810s, so I kind of started drawing conclusions |
| 11:57.57 | lcuk_work | "im sorry hunny, i cant connect" *back to the pub and the game |
| 11:58.18 | crashanddie | wnd, I use sip all the time, I can call anywhere |
| 11:58.42 | lcuk_work | back later |
| 11:59.06 | wnd | crashanddie, and you're talking about this "New Internet call", and not some third party application? |
| 11:59.21 | crashanddie | aye |
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| 12:00.49 | wnd | in that case I guess I'll just have to continue trying. I'd better try this between the device and my linux-box when I get back home. thanks. |
| 12:01.32 | crashanddie | wnd, the SIP I use is provided by my ISP... I can tell you what exactly the settings are if you want |
| 12:03.04 | wnd | I guess that wouldn't do any harm |
| 12:05.30 | crashanddie | ok, hang on |
| 12:05.57 | wnd | no hurries |
| 12:05.59 | crashanddie | I'll PM them |
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| 12:11.59 | ShadowJK | my ISP has a voip/sip service that lets me move my landline number to it if I wanted, haven't tried it though |
| 12:13.30 | christefano | can anyone recommend a utility that populates a menu with recently opened applications and documents? |
| 12:15.46 | pupnik | that's an interesting feature request - an option to automatically repopulate My selection |
| 12:16.15 | pupnik | or maybe another category for recent |
| 12:16.58 | christefano | yup, that's just what I was thinking |
| 12:17.09 | pupnik | sounds like a great project |
| 12:17.11 | christefano | a separate category for recent items |
| 12:17.32 | pupnik | did you web search for it? |
| 12:17.43 | crashanddie | ShadowJK, yeah, I have the same, I use it sometimes, works nice |
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| 12:18.22 | christefano | I did and didn't find anything. the search was basically for "(apps, programs, documents) menu" |
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| 12:19.49 | GeneralAntilles | No, christefano, nobody has made anything like that yet. |
| 12:19.58 | XTLi | Do the requests to open go through dbus? |
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| 12:20.34 | christefano | GeneralAntilles: I thought so. :( thanks for the corroboration. |
| 12:20.38 | XTLi | Maybe that would allow trapping them and adjusting the menu |
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| 12:21.01 | XTLi | Might even use that dbus scripts package |
| 12:21.13 | XTLi | (This is just hamdwaving) |
| 12:21.28 | GeneralAntilles | christefano, probably better off just installing personal-launcher and sticking all the applications and documents you need on your desktop |
| 12:23.02 | christefano | okay, that's what I'll do. hopefully someone will find time to put into it |
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| 12:54.03 | boolean | mornign |
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| 12:57.44 | ravious | Anyone know of any os projects working with the n770's other than maemo? |
| 12:58.00 | GeneralAntilles | nit-debian |
| 12:58.03 | GeneralAntilles | Poky |
| 12:58.05 | GeneralAntilles | Mamona |
| 12:58.28 | johnx | ravious, are you interested in working on nit-debian for the n770? |
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| 12:59.19 | ravious | eh, i prolly wouldnt be much help, not much of a dev |
| 12:59.31 | zap | what LED is controlled via /sys/class/leds/cover/ ? |
| 12:59.49 | johnx | even being able to test it and say "works" "doesn't work" would be helpful. if you're interested you should give it a shot |
| 12:59.58 | johnx | if you're not interested, that's fine too |
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| 13:00.43 | XTLi | I might be if I had a 770 |
| 13:01.49 | ravious | may as well, im always lookin for an excuse to reflash |
| 13:01.53 | ravious | lawl |
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| 13:02.12 | johnx | ravious, great, do you have a clear rs-mmc card? if so, how big? |
| 13:03.36 | ravious | i've got 64mb on this one, i could prolly get another one if needed |
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| 13:04.18 | johnx | er...sorry if I got your hopes up, but debian needs a little more space than that |
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| 13:04.39 | RST38h | moo, all |
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| 13:05.48 | johnx | m00k |
| 13:08.09 | lophyte | morning all |
| 13:09.05 | johnx | hey lophyte |
| 13:09.18 | lophyte | whats up? |
| 13:09.23 | johnx | not too much |
| 13:09.25 | johnx | just saying hi |
| 13:09.43 | summatusmentis | mmph... I should wake up earlier |
| 13:09.56 | lophyte | cool :) |
| 13:10.03 | lcuk_work | w00ts for no particular reason |
| 13:10.06 | Jaffa | Looks like Google Calendar is going to get offline mode using Gears - a small app to read the offline database and generatealarems on the tablets would be cool |
| 13:10.12 | lophyte | I'm waiting (im)patiently for my BT GPS |
| 13:10.32 | lcuk_work | jaffa, but gears is tied into the webcache in their format and not in a portable format is it? |
| 13:10.34 | hrw | Jaffa: does gears is available in other form then browser plugin? |
| 13:10.53 | hrw | does not use gears as there is no 64bit firefox plugin |
| 13:11.13 | RST38h | lcuk: isnt it using standard sqlite? |
| 13:11.15 | lcuk_work | actually, i shouldnt get involved with this discussion. back later after work |
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| 13:11.59 | RST38h | periodically has to spend time removing gears when some sneaky google applet installs it |
| 13:12.10 | lcuk_work | RST38h, might be, but i thought the data was internal formats rather than public sml type formats - sincei ts internal and not expected to be used by apps behind the gears framework? |
| 13:12.22 | lcuk_work | xml^ |
| 13:12.36 | RST38h | as long as it is relational you can cook it any way you like |
| 13:12.45 | lcuk_work | arghh back later |
| 13:12.52 | RST38h | and sqlite = relational |
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| 13:13.39 | RST38h | anybody else sees a background process from google when gears is installed? |
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| 13:20.52 | RST38h | rm_you, are you here? |
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| 13:28.19 | Khertan_TheReal | RST38h ? google gear ? background process ? sneaky applet install it ??? with Windows Google Desktop ? |
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| 13:30.26 | MangoFusion | is it a bad background process? |
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| 13:31.42 | Khertan_TheReal | background process are always evil ... |
| 13:31.53 | Khertan_TheReal | else they won't be hide in background ... |
| 13:31.59 | johnx | that's why I hate init |
| 13:32.03 | johnx | it's always messing with me |
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| 13:32.07 | johnx | starting other stuff |
| 13:32.08 | johnx | killing |
| 13:32.14 | johnx | die init, die |
| 13:32.21 | Khertan_TheReal | rm it ... :) |
| 13:33.04 | johnx | i would but I didn't trust rm so I deleted it :/ |
| 13:34.11 | MangoFusion | just wget or curl it from a reputable maemo repository |
| 13:34.22 | MangoFusion | :D |
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| 13:35.58 | crashanddie | lol |
| 13:36.09 | crashanddie | we're lucky something like background processes exist |
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| 13:36.31 | crashanddie | I don't know about you guys, but I don't want a terminal for each and every of the services/apps that run on my computer |
| 13:39.06 | XTLi | Trusted computing with MS-DOS - no background processes |
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| 13:41.14 | jott | installs a tsr onto XTLi :P |
| 13:41.17 | RST38h | khertan: apparently |
| 13:42.01 | RST38h | khertan: I installed google earth plugin and after that found that a background process is always running on my mahine |
| 13:42.37 | RST38h | looked closely and found that it comes from google dir and is marked with google gears related signature string |
| 13:43.01 | RST38h | kikled it dead but then it somehow appeared again |
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| 14:03.11 | nelson | Should diablo's /tmp be only 512kb? Because I can't install maemo-mapper as the install file won't fit in /tmp |
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| 14:05.46 | XTLi | <3 tmpfs |
| 14:06.23 | XTLi | I'd suggest using apt/appmanager to install it |
| 14:07.13 | XTLi | Alternatively, you could use something ele to dl the installer. I presume it's a browser putting it to /tmp |
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| 14:19.27 | Tu13es | hm, I just got my n800 back after not having it for over a year. is there any good resource for repositoris or a good list of apps? |
| 14:19.55 | crashanddie | Tu13es, maemo extras is where all the fun happens |
| 14:20.02 | Tu13es | i like fun! |
| 14:20.53 | XTLi | There's repo lists in maemo.org somewhere |
| 14:21.04 | XTLi | For a given os vintage |
| 14:21.12 | Tu13es | yeah, i looked briefly but couldn't find it |
| 14:21.15 | Tu13es | though I am an idiot |
| 14:21.36 | crashanddie | well |
| 14:21.44 | XTLi | I'm sure you'll come across them |
| 14:21.45 | crashanddie | you're using a n800, you can't be that much of an idiot |
| 14:21.51 | aquatix | :) |
| 14:22.20 | andre___ | GeneralAntilles, https://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Triage_guide |
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| 14:22.36 | crashanddie | now, if you had an n810, it would be even better |
| 14:22.53 | crashanddie | I know, that's a bold statement |
| 14:22.57 | crashanddie | but it is easily proved |
| 14:23.22 | crashanddie | by lcuk's IQ and mine combined hitting the 300 easily :P |
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| 14:24.43 | summatusmentis | hah, then I picked the right model :) |
| 14:26.17 | Atarii | johnx would debian for 770 fit on a 1gb card? |
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| 14:27.04 | XTLi | I'd say it should fit |
| 14:27.29 | XTLi | That's a fair bit of space on any base system |
| 14:27.37 | Blafasel | andre___: That page is great imo |
| 14:29.19 | andre___ | Blafasel, thanks! just a first version, mostly copied and stolen from other places. :) |
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| 14:32.31 | Jaffa | lcuk_work: can't be that hard to reverse engineer a date & time, compared with - say - DSP access ;-) |
| 14:33.22 | X-Fade | Jaffa: wiki cert fixed. |
| 14:34.10 | Blafasel | andre___: Read that remark, but it's a nice start anyway. |
| 14:36.42 | andre___ | yeah. that was the triagers' part. now to the reporters themselves... |
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| 14:43.49 | Tu13es | wtf, trying to instal python 2.5, says to run apt-get, when I run it it says "blahblah problems, you may want to run apt-get to fix these problems" |
| 14:44.22 | sp3000 | read more carefully |
| 14:44.50 | Tu13es | yeah, apt-get update |
| 14:44.58 | Tu13es | is what I ran and what it tells me to do |
| 14:45.25 | Stskeeps | apt-get -f install? :P |
| 14:45.31 | lophyte | "fixing problems" is usually ap...yeah what Stskeeps said |
| 14:45.36 | sp3000 | sounds different, I guess |
| 14:45.40 | sp3000 | but, pastebin |
| 14:47.11 | lcuk_work | jaffa, :) of course its not, but the date and time is a tiny part of the way it all fits together. it might just be extractable simply but it would be a lot more difficult getting something bi directional: we would be just as good looking at the xml feed for a calendar? |
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| 14:50.51 | Tu13es | hm, pb: http://pastebin.ca/1078433 |
| 14:51.15 | qwerty12 | That's nothing. ignore it. |
| 14:51.30 | Tu13es | hmm |
| 14:51.39 | Tu13es | does it not fail apt-get update then? |
| 14:52.28 | qwerty12 | No, apt-get ignores the message and carries on getting the list of Packages of the server. It only fails when there is an error (E:), not a warning (W:) |
| 14:52.51 | Tu13es | ah, gotcha |
| 14:52.53 | Tu13es | thx qwerty12 :) |
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| 15:14.30 | Jaffa | lcuk_work: don't want bidirectional though: with Gears the offline app would be the same as the online one; the only question is how to make it function as a reminder tool in addition to a review/edit/maintain tool |
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| 15:18.03 | zfigz | anyone know how to replace the apps in the communications tab the web tab |
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| 15:18.16 | zfigz | er the tab below the web tab |
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| 15:18.46 | qwerty12 | Oh, the communication tab? Search for personal menu. |
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| 15:22.05 | mikkov_ | How do I get sdl application name to show up in task switcher? I have tried all the tricks I could think/find of and only got <unnamed>... |
| 15:22.09 | rm_you | RST38h: yo |
| 15:22.13 | rm_you | lcuk_work: yo |
| 15:22.15 | rm_you | jott: yo |
| 15:22.28 | jott | hey rm_you |
| 15:22.34 | Jaffa | mikkov_: ExecWMClass IIRC |
| 15:22.51 | RST38bis | back |
| 15:22.52 | rm_you | jott: you try out the UPC database thing yet? :P |
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| 15:24.08 | qwerty12 | Hmm, is it possible to extract an msi in Linux? I don't feel like rebooting into Windows. |
| 15:24.18 | RST38bis | rm_you: got a little suggestion |
| 15:24.27 | rm_you | ? |
| 15:24.53 | mikkov_ | Jaffa: that's how I got to that <unnamed> part. I've tried couple of other sdl apps and none of them show real app name in task switcher |
| 15:24.59 | rm_you | qwerty12: wine? |
| 15:25.09 | Jaffa | X-Fade: yay, SSL cert fixed! :-) |
| 15:25.14 | zfigz | qwerty, search for personal menu? |
| 15:25.23 | qwerty12 | rm_you: Yeah, I'll have to install universal extractor in wine >.< |
| 15:25.31 | qwerty12 | zfigz: google |
| 15:26.19 | zfigz | n810 personal menu? |
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| 15:27.14 | jott | rm_you: not found an item that is in the db yet :P |
| 15:27.26 | jott | does not have all this vagina stuff |
| 15:27.31 | rm_you | jott: did you actually GET the db? :P |
| 15:27.34 | rm_you | just checking :P |
| 15:27.46 | rm_you | I linked it a couple times |
| 15:27.50 | rm_you | up3.db |
| 15:27.52 | rm_you | err |
| 15:27.55 | rm_you | upc3.db |
| 15:28.12 | qwerty12 | mikkov_: tried SDL_WM_SetCaption? |
| 15:28.53 | jott | ~lart nokia for not providing md5sum |
| 15:28.53 | infobot | beats nokia senseless with a 50lb Unix manual for not providing md5sum |
| 15:29.07 | qwerty12 | penguinbait has a binary available |
| 15:29.15 | jott | ha! |
| 15:29.28 | Khertan_TheReal | jott > i can send u an python md5 version if u want :) |
| 15:29.59 | rm_you | hrm |
| 15:30.07 | rm_you | is there a more complete UPC db? |
| 15:30.16 | jott | rm_you: no i don't think so |
| 15:30.31 | jott | would be great to support xmlrpc for it to submit entries |
| 15:30.40 | jott | Khertan_TheReal: heh yeah well not that important ;) |
| 15:30.45 | jott | thanks anyway |
| 15:30.53 | rm_you | i will start on an amazon scraping for ISBNs |
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| 15:30.59 | rm_you | i think |
| 15:31.12 | mikkov_ | qwerty12: yeah I have that. If you know any sdl app which can show other than <unnamed> in task switcher, I could take a look from there |
| 15:31.25 | rm_you | getting data for any book/cd would be good |
| 15:31.46 | jott | rm_you: there are mainly uk/us products in the db.. |
| 15:31.58 | qwerty12 | UK's good for me ;) |
| 15:32.06 | rm_you | yeah, noticed... |
| 15:32.18 | mikkov_ | I have tested tyrian, hex-a-hop and fred |
| 15:32.22 | jott | qwerty12: just try it out and have some fun waving items in front of your n8x0 ;) |
| 15:32.24 | rm_you | barely saw any items with german or any other language names |
| 15:32.36 | rm_you | qwerty12: download these two files: http://www.ageofikon.info/upc3.db.bz2 http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/maemo-barcode |
| 15:32.52 | qwerty12 | Thanks rm_you, grabbing now :) |
| 15:33.04 | rm_you | the bz2 unpacks to about 100mmb |
| 15:33.15 | rm_you | youll have to put it on an sd card and symlink it into place |
| 15:33.17 | qwerty12 | Ouch, I've only got 50 MB left :/ |
| 15:33.49 | rm_you | total, on every storage device? |
| 15:34.32 | qwerty12 | Well, I threw away my 1GB because dmesg was reporting IO errors on it, and my 8GB's only got 50MB left. Got nothing else, I'll see what I can delete off it. |
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| 15:36.57 | hrw | qwerty12: high-speed mmc kernel? |
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| 15:37.16 | qwerty12 | hrw: Yeah, but the card was failing anyway. |
| 15:37.44 | hrw | mikkov_: icebreaker? |
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| 15:43.28 | mikkov_ | hrw: icebreaker seems to use that games startup screen, so it's not pure sdl |
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| 15:45.59 | __t | nee, ich habe vorgestern zuletzt mit random gequatscht und der hatte die zugangs daten noch nicht |
| 15:46.14 | jott | mikkov_: see http://wiki.maemo.org/Game_development "Application name" |
| 15:46.22 | crashanddie | lol... |
| 15:46.32 | crashanddie | Reading a CV, I see: "Married with two children aged 9 and 12." |
| 15:46.38 | crashanddie | now that's ambiguous :D |
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| 15:46.55 | __t | oops, wrong window |
| 15:47.20 | jott | mikkov_: important part is the desktop file with "StartupWMClass=" |
| 15:47.22 | hrw | crashanddie: english is strange sometimes |
| 15:47.41 | jott | mikkov_: and putenv("SDL_VIDEO_X11_WMCLASS=...."); |
| 15:48.27 | mikkov_ | jott: thanks, but with those instruction I got <unnamed>. Are those really supposed to work? |
| 15:48.33 | crashanddie | hrw, agreed |
| 15:49.16 | mikkov_ | I have also osso_initialize() |
| 15:49.23 | jott | mikkov_: yes |
| 15:49.28 | jott | mikkov_: SDL_WM_SetCaption("title", NULL); for the title |
| 15:49.38 | jott | mikkov_: the wmclass for the task manager |
| 15:49.42 | jott | ugly but true |
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| 15:50.06 | jott | oh and when changing video modes yo usually have to set the caption again.. |
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| 15:51.25 | rm_you | crashanddie: lol, I think he needs a comma :P |
| 15:51.41 | rm_you | qwerty12 / jott: eh? |
| 15:51.54 | hrw | crashanddie: imagine comma after 'Married' and it will sounds better |
| 15:51.59 | qwerty12 | rm_you: I don't remember saying anything :/ |
| 15:52.02 | crashanddie | yeah yeah, I know |
| 15:52.08 | crashanddie | but it's just funny |
| 15:52.08 | rm_you | yeah, asking for progress :P |
| 15:52.11 | mikkov_ | what it has to be exactly ("title",NULL)? what's the point, i wonder. but thanks I try that |
| 15:52.21 | rm_you | need someone else to test UPC thing, so far has only worked for me :P |
| 15:53.01 | qwerty12 | rm_you: My progress is null as the shitty kernel seems to have a problem with power to the usb when my battery is low :/ |
| 15:53.28 | rm_you | >_> |
| 15:53.31 | rm_you | plug in? :P |
| 15:53.46 | qwerty12 | I'll have to wait for the battery charge to go up as well :/ |
| 15:54.52 | jott | mikkov_: http://www.libsdl.org/cgi/docwiki.cgi/SDL_WM_SetCaption |
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| 15:57.23 | zfigz | so is there no way of putting apps into the communications tab? |
| 15:57.37 | zfigz | i only use mail inside of it |
| 15:58.06 | jott | zfigz: take a look at personal menu |
| 15:58.22 | zfigz | is that an app? |
| 15:58.23 | jott | rm_you: i have yet to find an item that is in the db :P |
| 15:58.44 | jott | zfigz: yes |
| 15:58.50 | rm_you | jott: lol, and you actually have the correct DB file? :P |
| 15:59.02 | jott | yeah i checked with upcdatabase.com |
| 15:59.03 | rm_you | jott: i found out that i had misplaced it the first time so nothing i scanned came up ;P |
| 15:59.05 | rm_you | ah |
| 15:59.06 | rm_you | lol |
| 15:59.15 | jott | i just fetched it from the above url again |
| 15:59.17 | rm_you | jott: scan something on your monitor? :P |
| 15:59.22 | jott | hah |
| 15:59.26 | rm_you | it works |
| 15:59.48 | rm_you | also, i think scanning was working very reliably before, but recently it got much harder for it to scan something :/ |
| 15:59.48 | jott | yeah i know |
| 15:59.53 | rm_you | not sure why |
| 16:00.08 | jott | what have you broken? :P |
| 16:00.12 | rm_you | also, still annoyed about camera not flipping :P need to figure out how to fix that bug |
| 16:00.13 | rm_you | lol |
| 16:00.22 | jott | flipping? |
| 16:00.28 | rm_you | it scans upside down :P that is neat BTW |
| 16:00.32 | rm_you | yeah... |
| 16:00.44 | rm_you | n800, rotate camera = image upsidedown |
| 16:00.46 | jott | yeah it should do 0,90,180,270 degree rotations just fine |
| 16:00.59 | rm_you | very annoying for trying to arrange camera |
| 16:03.28 | jott | installs kbarcode |
| 16:03.31 | jott | mh |
| 16:03.43 | jott | your lookup does not really work :P |
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| 16:04.21 | jott | just picked randomly 0000416010778 and it just shows two blank lines.. |
| 16:04.46 | jott | Got UPC data. filling strings... |
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| 16:05.47 | rm_you | hrm |
| 16:05.53 | rm_you | is it in the DB? |
| 16:06.06 | jott | yeah i just picked something from the db |
| 16:06.11 | lcuk_work | RST38h, no i havent. i might have got it working last night but its a bit hazy :S |
| 16:06.20 | rm_you | hrm worked here |
| 16:06.25 | rm_you | just scanned this page |
| 16:06.26 | lcuk_work | rm_you, will test later |
| 16:06.29 | rm_you | http://www.upcdatabase.com/item/5410133831153 |
| 16:06.31 | rm_you | lcuk_work: k |
| 16:06.38 | rm_you | that barcode scanned properly |
| 16:07.07 | lcuk_work | hey, rm_you - do you have rizlas as well :D |
| 16:07.16 | rm_you | lol no :P |
| 16:07.26 | rm_you | still had page open from you :P |
| 16:07.42 | lcuk_work | only pullin ya leg, i kremember that par tof the conversation, and what i searched for after :D |
| 16:07.58 | rm_you | lol |
| 16:07.59 | lcuk_work | will print out some special barcodes to take to the maemo summit |
| 16:08.05 | rm_you | jott: i am able to hit the "random item" link a lot |
| 16:08.09 | rm_you | and they all scan here |
| 16:08.21 | rm_you | jott: did you bunzip the db? :P |
| 16:08.23 | RST38h | back |
| 16:08.32 | rm_you | sounds like it is just finding blanks |
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| 16:09.11 | lcuk_work | jott, are you shooting blanks then? |
| 16:09.14 | RST38h | rm: returning to the topic, can you add two more sliders? |
| 16:09.19 | rm_you | RST38h: ? |
| 16:09.26 | rm_you | for what, in what? |
| 16:09.26 | jott | rm_you: yes i unzipped it :P |
| 16:09.29 | rm_you | jott: lol |
| 16:09.32 | rm_you | jott: well |
| 16:09.48 | RST38h | rm: min/max cpu clock? in adv backlight or a new applet that shows cpu temp? |
| 16:09.49 | rm_you | weird |
| 16:09.58 | rm_you | RST38h: hrm |
| 16:10.17 | rm_you | CPU now... |
| 16:10.19 | rm_you | heh |
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| 16:10.23 | RST38h | hehe |
| 16:10.26 | lcuk_work | and when it gets to 100deg can we make it whistle like a kettle? |
| 16:10.38 | rm_you | seems like that is something that should be handled maybe by osso_statusbar_cpu? |
| 16:10.41 | RST38h | lcuk: 100oF I assume? |
| 16:10.44 | rm_you | lol |
| 16:10.53 | RST38h | you: I dont think so |
| 16:10.57 | rm_you | jott: that is very odd |
| 16:11.00 | jott | hehe all-in-one-statusbar :) |
| 16:11.01 | lcuk_work | c more like |
| 16:11.16 | rm_you | lcuk_work: you have n800? |
| 16:11.26 | RST38h | statusbarcpu is unlikely to add it any time soon |
| 16:11.29 | lcuk_work | no, what would i type on? |
| 16:11.34 | rm_you | download these two files: http://www.ageofikon.info/upc3.db.bz2 http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/maemo-barcode |
| 16:11.56 | rm_you | you can shove the upc3.db file on an mmc and symlink it into the directory with the executable |
| 16:12.00 | rm_you | as it is 100mb unpacked |
| 16:12.04 | RST38h | lcuk: what do you do to omap to get it this hot?=) |
| 16:12.09 | jott | i guess something like cpu temp/clock would be fine in load applet or so |
| 16:12.15 | lcuk_work | ill just run the binary from mmc |
| 16:12.20 | rm_you | ok 71mb |
| 16:12.24 | rm_you | heh ok |
| 16:12.30 | lcuk_work | later when im home that is |
| 16:12.33 | rm_you | k |
| 16:12.49 | lcuk_work | how confident is the scanning ow? |
| 16:12.51 | lcuk_work | now? |
| 16:13.01 | rm_you | fairly |
| 16:13.06 | lcuk_work | is it better than my typing? |
| 16:13.21 | rm_you | scanning from my LCD monitor and it is working instantly and accurately |
| 16:13.26 | rm_you | depends a lot on lighting |
| 16:13.38 | RST38h | rm: so any chance of that?=) |
| 16:13.42 | lcuk_work | k, ill wait for a storm to test |
| 16:14.14 | rm_you | RST38h: seems like that is out of the scope of our project :/ |
| 16:14.19 | rm_you | Like, it would be neat, yes |
| 16:14.20 | rm_you | but |
| 16:14.35 | RST38h | rm: maybe a sister applet? |
| 16:14.38 | rm_you | we are not only getting a larger than intended memory footprint, but also RUNNING OUT OF SCREENSPACE! :P |
| 16:14.39 | lcuk_work | an info/status applet would be more practical |
| 16:14.45 | rm_you | yeah |
| 16:14.51 | rm_you | oh |
| 16:15.05 | lcuk_work | infact, personally wouldnt temp guages and stuff be better as simple desktop thingies |
| 16:15.12 | rm_you | what about an applet that lets you add "modules" in the form of oneliner shell commands |
| 16:15.32 | rm_you | and then you can check/uncheck them in options, and it just tiles them (two labels each, identifier and result) |
| 16:15.38 | RST38h | you: it already exists |
| 16:15.41 | rm_you | ah? |
| 16:15.45 | rm_you | what is it called? |
| 16:15.51 | lcuk_work | install this cool extension to rm_yous applet: "rm -rf /" or whatever syntax is |
| 16:15.59 | jott | but probably not with my status bar menu framework :P |
| 16:16.01 | RST38h | you: statusbarcpu or some clone of it lets you do that |
| 16:16.34 | lcuk_work | rst_cpuinternalsmonitorsuperjottlaidout_rmpontificatedover |
| 16:16.56 | lcuk_work | catchy name dont you agree? :D |
| 16:17.10 | qwerty12 | I'm waiting for it to be added to liqbase :P |
| 16:17.11 | jott | lcukapproved? ;) |
| 16:17.12 | RST38h | needs dashes |
| 16:17.14 | rm_you | RST38h: does it display whatever shell command you give it? |
| 16:17.31 | RST38h | you: think so. nosliders though |
| 16:17.50 | lcuk_work | qwerty12, other way round, ive gotta make an extension framework, but i want cpu freq throttling and clock and brightness and other stuff ;) |
| 16:18.28 | andre___ | eeks, who created the Advanced Backlight product in Maemo Bugzilla? |
| 16:18.40 | lcuk_work | hopes to simply replace x11 in the longrun and use the precreated extensions |
| 16:18.48 | jott | andre___: i think timeless |
| 16:18.57 | X-Fade | Lol, nice ;) |
| 16:19.06 | jott | we approved it though ;) |
| 16:19.14 | andre___ | jott: hmm, okay. then i will not complain, he knows what he does :) |
| 16:19.15 | lcuk_work | back later |
| 16:19.48 | jott | andre___: garage projects should use bugzilla in the future if they want to.. |
| 16:19.50 | andre___ | just wondering whether having a category-kind-of product would make more sense instead of having a product for each module |
| 16:19.59 | jott | we are one of the pet projects / beta testers ;) |
| 16:20.00 | andre___ | jott, sure, i can only underline that :) |
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| 16:20.19 | rm_you | :P |
| 16:20.21 | andre___ | ok, if the community wants this, here we go. was just wondering :) |
| 16:20.26 | rm_you | It is exciting, yes? :P |
| 16:20.37 | rm_you | Did you nearly have a heart attack? :) |
| 16:21.17 | andre___ | not really. :-) |
| 16:21.23 | dougt | is there any way to get the osso_context_t from a random bit of code, or do you have to pass it everywhere you want to use it? |
| 16:21.44 | andre___ | the more community, the less i have to work ;-)) |
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| 16:22.15 | zfigz | Can you guys recommend the best dictionary for maemo? |
| 16:22.47 | andre___ | uff. bug 3474 is another techy report that i don't get. i should have become a hacker... :-) |
| 16:23.28 | jott | zfigz: as an application stardict does a pretty good job. the dictionary quality itself depends on your language and the availablilty of a free dictionary .. |
| 16:23.59 | zfigz | english :P |
| 16:24.18 | zfigz | and there isn't a torrent downloader yet is there? |
| 16:25.59 | jott | i thought someone packaged transmission? |
| 16:26.03 | rm_you | zfigz: there is a port of transmission |
| 16:26.47 | Jaffa | andre___: the use of garage projects in Bugzilla shouldn't be restricted to only having a single component, though. For example, "mediautils" is a single garage project but having 2 components: mediaserv and tablet-encode. |
| 16:27.06 | zfigz | woo, gonna have to find it |
| 16:27.07 | andre___ | Jaffa, sure, i fully agree |
| 16:27.35 | rm_you | it will be interesting |
| 16:27.49 | rm_you | I wish we had gotten into bugzilla a few weeks ago though... |
| 16:27.54 | rm_you | back when we actually HAD bugs :P |
| 16:27.56 | rm_you | knocks on wood |
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| 16:32.11 | oilinki | is there an application which would improve the home-button on tablet? I'm looking for something that would give both the running applications and a list of 'my selection' applications at one go? |
| 16:32.14 | Jaffa | really wants to see a simplified bug creation form: I've /always/ hated Bugzilla, and some of the recent problems we've had (alias, target milestone, priority etc. set on creation by the reporter) show that it should be simple to capture bugs, and then enrichment can use the current monstrosity ;-) |
| 16:32.20 | andre___ | rm_you, haha... we still have bugs. we do. :) |
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| 16:40.40 | hrw | oilinki: hildon-desktop is opensourced - feel free to hack it |
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| 16:41.02 | hrw | have a nice evening all |
| 16:41.24 | oilinki | hrw|gone: well yes. if I just knew how :) |
| 16:42.16 | rm_you | jott: can you look at the datamatrix code?! >_> |
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| 16:42.35 | jott | rm_you: hmm :/ i'm not that motivated :P |
| 16:42.40 | rm_you | jott: i am still sad that it is broken when it is so close |
| 16:43.09 | rm_you | jott: so, it did not scan UPC/EAN from the upcdatabase site? |
| 16:43.36 | jott | rm_you: it did but the lables where set correct or what ever |
| 16:43.47 | rm_you | jott: right.. |
| 16:43.48 | rm_you | hrm |
| 16:43.50 | jott | it found something but it just showed blank lines |
| 16:44.02 | rm_you | OH |
| 16:44.06 | jott | where not set* |
| 16:44.07 | rm_you | BAH |
| 16:44.09 | rm_you | sorry |
| 16:44.14 | jott | not looked at the code yet ;) |
| 16:44.17 | rm_you | you need to install libsqlite3-0 |
| 16:44.37 | rm_you | forgot that |
| 16:45.03 | jott | it's installed :) |
| 16:45.20 | jott | as i said the db lookup *seems* to be performed |
| 16:45.27 | jott | but the labels are just blank |
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| 16:45.43 | jott | (it would not even launch with a missing lib ;) |
| 16:45.45 | jott | Got UPC data. filling strings... |
| 16:46.07 | jott | as i said not looked at the code and i don't think i'll manage it today. |
| 16:46.23 | rm_you | err yeah but it should work |
| 16:46.33 | rm_you | any text after "filling strings"? |
| 16:46.53 | jott | upc: 1143380304 |
| 16:46.53 | jott | package: 5 x 50 |
| 16:46.53 | jott | name: |
| 16:46.59 | jott | mmh it's empty there too |
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| 16:47.51 | rm_you | erk |
| 16:47.56 | rm_you | pick a different item |
| 16:48.02 | rm_you | do they all do that? |
| 16:48.25 | jott | i think so |
| 16:48.52 | overflok1 | hi to all |
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| 16:49.35 | rm_you | hrm |
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| 16:52.00 | andre___ | GeneralAntilles, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3478 - what depends on those three packages? how to get these warning messages too? |
| 16:54.05 | Blafasel | andre___: Use the command given in the report |
| 16:54.12 | Blafasel | apt-get -f install as root |
| 16:54.44 | crashanddie | I have a 2 year degree I obtained after the equivalent to my A-level... How would I translate this ? |
| 16:54.51 | crashanddie | Bachelor of Engineering ? |
| 16:55.06 | crashanddie | (I'm not really translating it, just want to give a rough idea) |
| 16:55.23 | crashanddie | Higher National Diploma ? |
| 17:03.16 | terbot | portable cellular video camera anyone? |
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| 17:05.03 | Tu13es | crashanddie: what's it say on your diploma? :P |
| 17:05.24 | crashanddie | Brevet de technicien supérieur - Informatique et réseaux pour l'industrie et les services techniques |
| 17:05.33 | Tu13es | no hablo francais |
| 17:05.37 | crashanddie | lol |
| 17:05.45 | crashanddie | I wrote that, and said under it (Diploma in Computer Science and Network Engineering) |
| 17:07.02 | crashanddie | Tu13es, sound good enough ? |
| 17:07.22 | Tu13es | *shrug* |
| 17:07.25 | Tu13es | I'm confused |
| 17:07.37 | Tu13es | are you not in the US? |
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| 17:07.52 | Tu13es | here we generally have Associate, Bachelor, or Master programs |
| 17:08.06 | crashanddie | why would I be in the US ? |
| 17:08.36 | Tu13es | I figured that'd be the source of my confusion |
| 17:08.43 | crashanddie | no, I'm in France ATM |
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| 17:12.09 | rm_you | jott: ok can you try a new executable? fixed some random stuff |
| 17:12.24 | rm_you | jott: redownload http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/maemo-barcode -O maemo-barcode |
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| 17:19.04 | sbaturzio | Aloha! |
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| 17:28.05 | housetier | hello, I am from the c-base and will lurk around if you don't mind :) |
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| 17:31.58 | terbo | portable internet camera anyone? |
| 17:32.53 | Blafasel | housetier: Welcome ;) |
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| 17:34.44 | housetier | we are rather excited about having the summit happening at our place :) |
| 17:35.32 | Blafasel | I'm rather excited taking part (probably) and lurking offline.. |
| 17:36.08 | housetier | if you are in berlin, you should come by anytime. it's a very cool place |
| 17:36.51 | Blafasel | Yep, the homepage looks quite interesting. But it's Cologne for me.. |
| 17:39.16 | housetier | Blafasel, I do recall your nick from somewhere else though... |
| 17:39.20 | housetier | ubuntu? |
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| 17:40.28 | Blafasel | No idea, I'm lurking in lots of places.. ;) |
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| 17:45.28 | jott | housetier: i only have been at the bar a couple of times, never been on the other floors :) |
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| 17:49.29 | housetier | jott, when you come by next time, just ask a member if he/she would be willing to show you around |
| 17:50.01 | housetier | if you want to hear LOTS of stories, ask for "hein-c", he's been around from the very beginning |
| 17:50.28 | jott | will try to keep that in mind :) |
| 17:50.50 | jott | housetier: do you know where the main area for the summit will be? |
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| 17:51.02 | jott | (looking at http://wiki.c-base.org/coredump/BauPlan :) |
| 17:51.38 | Tu13es | anyone remember what file I edit to enable the thing that locks the n800 and turns off the screen? |
| 17:51.45 | Tu13es | i forget what ti's called |
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| 17:53.22 | housetier | jott, the loungy stuff will happen in the mainhall. as for the talks and lectures, we rented extra rooms from the acting school next door. there will be plenty of room for 3 parallel tracks, chairs, flipcharts and wireless internet |
| 17:54.05 | housetier | also we'll have a wardrobe, where you can drop your coats, bags, and stuff |
| 17:54.34 | housetier | that'll be in the "ceminarraum" |
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| 17:56.11 | mikkov_ | hey, does doxygen work for you in scratchbox armel target. I am getting segmentation fault |
| 17:58.38 | jott | housetier: ah i see. just wondered how this all could fit in the main c-base area ;) |
| 17:59.26 | housetier | that was the first problem we had to solve when Quim wanted to "book us" |
| 17:59.38 | Atarii | Tu13es i was literally just reading your post on itt regarding chumby on 770 |
| 17:59.43 | Atarii | is it still a no-go? |
| 18:01.13 | Tu13es | Atarii: *shrug* |
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| 18:01.20 | Tu13es | I finally got it working, but it could use a bit of work |
| 18:03.00 | ||cw | chumby OS or just the applications? |
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| 18:07.25 | Stskeeps | http://trac.tspre.org/projects/nit-debian/ <- can I get some comments on this? :) |
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| 18:08.37 | lcuk_eating | Stskeeps, its a url |
| 18:08.45 | lcuk_eating | it has nits |
| 18:09.05 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, feature set is v.impressive :) |
| 18:09.08 | Stskeeps | lcuk_eating: mm. nits |
| 18:09.46 | qwerty12_N800 | i've got an spare 3gb ext2 partition on my sd, must grab |
| 18:09.49 | sjgadsby | In the goal statement, it should be "...that is just as functional..." rather than "...that are just as functional..." |
| 18:10.11 | Stskeeps | sjgadsby: ta, was wondering about that myself |
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| 18:11.34 | lcuk | Stskeeps, on that line, the whole tail end of the opener reads wrong a bit |
| 18:13.16 | lcuk | sjgadsby, :) we havent spoken in irc from what i can recall |
| 18:14.02 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, just a note, in diablo, you don't have to remove the extra stuff. |
| 18:14.10 | sjgadsby | lcuk: I believe you're right. Hi! |
| 18:14.15 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: extra stuff? |
| 18:14.17 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 18:14.19 | Stskeeps | true |
| 18:14.20 | Stskeeps | initfs |
| 18:14.28 | qwerty12_N800 | yep :) |
| 18:14.42 | lcuk | is smiling today |
| 18:15.02 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: changed |
| 18:15.27 | lcuk | can see nice fast nokia graphics soon |
| 18:15.48 | lcuk | (well, as much as someone outside nokia can see) |
| 18:16.38 | qwerty12_N800 | quite liked the response from nokia |
| 18:17.27 | lcuk | yer i do as well |
| 18:17.28 | rm_you | lcuk: WTF |
| 18:17.44 | lcuk | ? |
| 18:17.47 | rm_you | lcuk: if I have an int pointer and i need to set an int to the VALUE of that pointer |
| 18:17.49 | rm_you | it is like |
| 18:17.54 | rm_you | appdata->last_upc_value = *(resultlist[vote]); |
| 18:17.57 | rm_you | right? |
| 18:18.00 | dannym | Stskeeps, you might want to change the link saying "http://www.fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/" to <http://www.fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/#initfs> for convenience :) |
| 18:18.17 | lcuk | is resultlist an int *? |
| 18:18.18 | rm_you | assuming appdata->last_upc_value is just an int |
| 18:18.21 | rm_you | yes |
| 18:18.23 | lcuk | or is resultlist an array of int * |
| 18:18.25 | dneary | hey ho |
| 18:18.32 | rm_you | int *resultlist[MAX_VOTES]; |
| 18:18.33 | lcuk | show me the definition line for resultlist |
| 18:18.42 | rm_you | :P |
| 18:18.47 | lcuk | an array of int pointers |
| 18:18.52 | lcuk | what are you expecting it to be |
| 18:18.56 | rm_you | that |
| 18:19.01 | rm_you | an array of int pointers |
| 18:19.28 | dneary | When's the sprint meeting? I'm not in my usual timezone |
| 18:19.33 | lcuk | why do you need an array of pointers to int (int==32bit value, a pointer==32bit value) just make it an array oif ints? |
| 18:19.40 | lcuk | dneary, :) |
| 18:19.41 | rm_you | lcuk: blame jott |
| 18:19.47 | rm_you | lcuk: it is not my dealie :P |
| 18:20.02 | lcuk | lol is latest in svn? |
| 18:20.06 | rm_you | in a sec |
| 18:20.09 | lcuk | it will help with context |
| 18:20.11 | rm_you | committing |
| 18:20.50 | rm_you | maemo-barcode.c line 545ish |
| 18:20.57 | dannym | rm_you, "the VALUE of that pointer" is the address that is in the slot of the variable? I guess you mean "the value of the slot that is referenced BY the pointer":) |
| 18:20.58 | rm_you | cmmitted |
| 18:21.02 | Stskeeps | dannym: done, ta |
| 18:21.05 | rm_you | yes |
| 18:21.36 | rm_you | *(resultlist[vote]) should get the VALUE of the int thats pointer is in resultlist[vote] |
| 18:21.40 | rm_you | i thought |
| 18:21.53 | rm_you | something there isn't working right |
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| 18:21.59 | rm_you | lcuk: i HATE pointers <_< |
| 18:22.01 | lcuk | that should work |
| 18:22.19 | GNUton | Hi |
| 18:22.21 | lcuk | i believe, its dirty but is legal c as far as i know, lemme just see it in context |
| 18:22.23 | rm_you | lcuk: then tell me why it ISNT |
| 18:22.28 | lcuk | whats actually going wrong though |
| 18:22.41 | rm_you | line 562 |
| 18:22.43 | dannym | rm_you: which repository? |
| 18:22.53 | rm_you | dannym: maemo-barcode |
| 18:23.03 | rm_you | lcuk: if i replace |
| 18:23.06 | rm_you | appdata->last_upc_value = *(resultlist[vote]); |
| 18:23.07 | rm_you | with |
| 18:23.13 | rm_you | appdata->last_upc_value = 5; |
| 18:23.30 | rm_you | it prints 5 when i do printf("Last upc: %d\n", appdata->last_upc_value); |
| 18:23.34 | rm_you | but |
| 18:23.42 | rm_you | if i leave it as is, it always prints 0 |
| 18:23.44 | lcuk | ok, what value does "vote" hold |
| 18:24.13 | rm_you | erm, some int |
| 18:24.20 | rm_you | appdata->label_text = (gchar *) number_to_string (resultlist[vote]); <---- works |
| 18:24.43 | rm_you | static const char * number_to_string (int *number); |
| 18:25.02 | lcuk | ok readin code now |
| 18:25.58 | lcuk | firstly, there are bugs where you can go beyond the MAX_VOTES array limit |
| 18:26.22 | lcuk | ahhh no, just silly indenting ;) |
| 18:26.26 | rm_you | jott! all jott! blame jott! :P |
| 18:26.41 | rm_you | i have no idea about his stuff |
| 18:26.57 | rm_you | all of my code is within that one if block |
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| 18:28.03 | jott | he? |
| 18:28.08 | jott | it's a list of ints.. |
| 18:28.09 | rm_you | jott: ! :P |
| 18:28.14 | jott | a list of chars would be equally fine |
| 18:28.25 | rm_you | jott: it's a list of int pointers |
| 18:28.29 | jott | yes |
| 18:28.56 | rm_you | getting the value of the right one should be: *(resultlist[vote]) |
| 18:28.57 | rm_you | right? |
| 18:29.25 | jott | this should give you a pointer to a int[13] array.. |
| 18:29.31 | jott | erm |
| 18:29.51 | jott | the first value of it |
| 18:29.58 | rm_you | GAH what!? |
| 18:30.00 | dannym | rm_you, as I read the code that would get you the first digit :) |
| 18:30.07 | rm_you | blaghnhfdhzseiufgsd |
| 18:30.15 | rm_you | it isn't just an int?! |
| 18:30.22 | jott | no.. |
| 18:30.23 | rm_you | bah |
| 18:30.30 | rm_you | k |
| 18:30.36 | rm_you | will write a converter function |
| 18:30.37 | jott | as it's 13 digits not one number |
| 18:30.39 | rm_you | thanks |
| 18:30.42 | rm_you | it CAN be one number |
| 18:30.44 | rm_you | easily |
| 18:31.01 | lcuk | how.. |
| 18:31.02 | dannym | ah, the C array / pointer ambiguouty... gotta love C :) |
| 18:31.08 | jott | 000001 != 1 |
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| 18:31.27 | rm_you | yeah well, the database doesn't discern |
| 18:31.40 | rm_you | it was unavoidable |
| 18:31.48 | rm_you | unless i wanted to spend like 5 more hours generating it |
| 18:31.53 | jott | haha |
| 18:31.56 | rm_you | and it takes less space |
| 18:31.58 | lcuk | thats because your database contains a char[255] for the key :P |
| 18:32.09 | rm_you | no, it contains varchar(13) as the key |
| 18:32.19 | lcuk | w00t |
| 18:32.22 | lcuk | :D |
| 18:32.23 | rm_you | but it apparently IGNORED that when converting from sqlite2 -> sqlite3 via .dump |
| 18:32.37 | rm_you | but it takes less space this way anyway |
| 18:32.41 | rm_you | and doesnt matter |
| 18:32.45 | rm_you | drop leading zeroes |
| 18:32.48 | rm_you | won't change anything |
| 18:33.18 | rm_you | jott: i still hate your indentation method. so used to tabs <_< |
| 18:33.23 | rm_you | and so much less backspacing <_< |
| 18:33.48 | jott | pft.. i would indent differently with c++ or java code :P |
| 18:33.54 | jott | if that helps you ,) |
| 18:34.36 | lcuk | noticed the indenting as well. thank god for having a decent ide |
| 18:34.55 | summatusmentis | you indent with spacing? |
| 18:35.01 | jott | yes, tabs are evil :P |
| 18:35.05 | dannym | rm_you, depending on how long you need the value of "last_upc_value" to be valid, it may suffice to just change the type of "last_upc_value" to "int*" having it store the beginning of the array in resultlist :) |
| 18:35.13 | summatusmentis | s/spacing/spaces/ |
| 18:35.22 | summatusmentis | jott: gross |
| 18:35.25 | rm_you | dannym: yeah i just didnt understand what exactly was in the resultset apparently |
| 18:35.28 | rm_you | yeah |
| 18:35.30 | rm_you | it is nasty |
| 18:35.38 | rm_you | and he converts all the code he touches :P |
| 18:35.43 | rm_you | i should start converting it back :P lol |
| 18:36.09 | ||cw | tabs are better for spacing, lets the viewer choose how many "spaces" for na indent, and uses less file space too |
| 18:36.11 | Blafasel | I stick to spaces as well |
| 18:36.11 | dannym | haha the eternal spaces vs. tab issue :D |
| 18:36.21 | jott | heh |
| 18:36.28 | rm_you | agrees with ||cw |
| 18:36.31 | lcuk | real men dont indent |
| 18:36.41 | rm_you | lcuk: then real men don't code python? :P |
| 18:36.44 | dannym | write all the code in one line ;) |
| 18:36.48 | Blafasel | hrhr |
| 18:36.57 | dannym | eevil |
| 18:37.24 | jott | ||cw: actually the compressed file size is usually smaller with spaces :P |
| 18:37.35 | lcuk | rm_you, i agree, its only girls that code in python for a long time :P |
| 18:37.35 | dannym | O_o |
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| 18:38.01 | ||cw | jott: code doens't live compressed |
| 18:38.22 | lcuk | yes it does. svn compresses doesnt it? |
| 18:38.30 | lcuk | or git? |
| 18:38.35 | jott | ||cw: sure it does, every .tar.gz .tar.bz is compressed |
| 18:38.38 | ||cw | localy? |
| 18:38.41 | lmoura | lcuk, rm_you: real men code in relays: http://web.cecs.pdx.edu/~harry/Relay/ |
| 18:38.47 | lmoura | :P |
| 18:39.20 | ||cw | lcuk: those are archives, not live |
| 18:39.32 | lcuk | relays, isn't that what young shipper snappers use in place of valves? |
| 18:39.38 | Churl | lcuk: my girl codes c++ |
| 18:39.50 | ||cw | and svn and git do more than compress, they delta as well |
| 18:40.02 | lcuk | Churl, you're girl is intelligent then :) |
| 18:40.06 | Churl | but I have trouble programing my TI-85 graphing calculator |
| 18:40.08 | dannym | lmoura, wow that thing must be really loud when operating... *click* *click* *click* argh :) |
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| 18:40.19 | Churl | she has math tattoos |
| 18:40.28 | lcuk | and reads xkcd no doubt |
| 18:40.32 | Churl | oh yeah |
| 18:40.35 | lcuk | :D |
| 18:40.38 | Churl | lol |
| 18:40.41 | lcuk | ask her if she will marry me |
| 18:40.59 | Churl | hold on, want me to get her to join? |
| 18:41.07 | lcuk | :D |
| 18:41.12 | Churl | lol hold on |
| 18:41.16 | derf | Tell her C++ is an awful language. |
| 18:41.22 | lcuk | will run away screaming if he ever meets a girl for real |
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| 18:42.00 | rm_you | what is MAX_LONG on tablet? |
| 18:42.01 | lcuk | c++ on the tablet is awful, it takes about 5x longer to compile simple little modules |
| 18:42.01 | skmurphy | I was summoned for a marriage proposal? |
| 18:42.09 | lcuk | lol |
| 18:42.12 | rm_you | haha |
| 18:42.19 | lcuk | skmurphy, you have a trigger for people getting married? |
| 18:42.21 | qwerty12_N800 | lol |
| 18:42.23 | Tu13es | mine reads xkcd but no code :P |
| 18:42.25 | rm_you | lcuk: called out :P |
| 18:42.26 | lcuk | some people have the strangest things programmed in |
| 18:42.52 | lcuk | rm_you, i wonder how my real woman would feel :P |
| 18:43.01 | rm_you | just hopes this channel doesn't turn into A/S/L spam |
| 18:43.08 | skmurphy | Heheh |
| 18:43.25 | lcuk | rm_you, we dont need to: we know you are 21/f/usa |
| 18:43.25 | skmurphy | a/s/l/programming language of choice? |
| 18:43.31 | rm_you | lcuk: lol |
| 18:43.42 | jaska | asn.1 spam |
| 18:43.54 | rm_you | my pride, it almost felt that :P |
| 18:44.02 | Churl | 26/M/ATL TI-85 |
| 18:44.14 | lcuk | NO |
| 18:44.19 | rm_you | 85!? |
| 18:44.21 | lcuk | really, just no |
| 18:44.24 | jaska | active template library? |
| 18:44.28 | skmurphy | Atlanta |
| 18:44.32 | rm_you | I did TI-BASIC on 83... and 89... 85!? |
| 18:44.32 | skmurphy | ? |
| 18:44.45 | skmurphy | Is there a difference between the 89 and 85? |
| 18:44.48 | Churl | it's what I had in middle school |
| 18:44.55 | skmurphy | I just used it to cheat on tests =/ |
| 18:44.56 | Churl | yeah my bro had one |
| 18:44.58 | rm_you | well, I knew the 89 existed, that's one difference |
| 18:44.58 | skmurphy | I never wrote anything neat |
| 18:45.11 | lcuk | my god if this is what its gonna turn out like im not gonna code up my maemo-spy program |
| 18:45.15 | Churl | it was better in a few ways |
| 18:45.17 | skmurphy | Heheh |
| 18:45.25 | sp3000 | the xx in TI-xx is the a in asl rather :P |
| 18:45.28 | skmurphy | churl, I know that - I meant as far as programing stuff on it |
| 18:45.30 | rm_you | lcuk: compiling profiles on all irc members via intelligent log parsing? :P |
| 18:45.38 | sp3000 | through some obscure mapping |
| 18:45.44 | Tu13es | anyone know how to add Sleep mode or whatever the n800 lacks? |
| 18:45.49 | lcuk | i was *hoping* to build up a tiny video wall of maemo users live cam images, but if you are all gonna get hot n steamy i wont bother |
| 18:46.14 | rm_you | heh... hrm |
| 18:46.19 | skmurphy | i thought we'd moved past hot and steamy and on to Texas Instruments (they do say there's a fetish for everything on the internet, though) |
| 18:46.22 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, nice pun |
| 18:46.23 | rm_you | my convert_number function fails, hard |
| 18:46.26 | lcuk | i have my camera showing me 25mini video images in a scrollable wall: i wanted a semi frequently updating view to allow a group to interact |
| 18:46.56 | lcuk | Rule 34 |
| 18:46.57 | Churl | dinosaur comics! |
| 18:47.21 | lcuk | facepalms |
| 18:47.35 | Churl | lol |
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| 18:48.27 | rm_you | my convert_number function fails, hard. |
| 18:48.31 | rm_you | err damnit |
| 18:48.36 | rm_you | anyway, what is max long? |
| 18:48.51 | rm_you | apparently, less than 13 digits <_< |
| 18:48.55 | lcuk | 2^32-1 or somethin |
| 18:48.59 | lcuk | yes |
| 18:49.02 | lcuk | muchly so |
| 18:49.08 | lcuk | 4294xxxxxx |
| 18:49.09 | rm_you | is there an int64? |
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| 18:49.25 | lcuk | yes, but are you sure you can handle it? |
| 18:49.31 | rm_you | lol |
| 18:49.34 | rm_you | too much int? |
| 18:49.39 | lcuk | MOAR int |
| 18:49.57 | jott | rm_you: something like x=0; for(i=0;i<13;i++) x+=10*i+num[12-i]; ? |
| 18:50.03 | lcuk | im not sure if long longs compile on this system |
| 18:50.04 | rm_you | yes |
| 18:50.09 | lcuk | and i havent used them for a while |
| 18:50.15 | ||cw | becareful when overclocking your int's |
| 18:50.22 | lcuk | you would be better keeping the UPN key as a string |
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| 18:50.35 | dannym | rm_you, yes, "unsigned long long" ... |
| 18:51.13 | rm_you | FINE |
| 18:51.13 | rm_you | sec |
| 18:51.13 | rm_you | would that be %lld in printf? :P |
| 18:51.13 | lcuk | dannym, im not so sure it compiles properly, i tried using it in a loop: so i could copy 64bits at a time |
| 18:51.15 | lcuk | it blew chunks |
| 18:51.20 | lcuk | watches with interest tho |
| 18:51.39 | dannym | rm_you, yes |
| 18:52.01 | rm_you | works |
| 18:52.11 | lcuk | nice |
| 18:52.21 | lcuk | goes and tries somethin |
| 18:53.46 | rm_you | gah now WHY is it doing THIS |
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| 18:55.35 | lcuk | dannym, pointer math should work with ull as normal shouldnt it? |
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| 18:58.06 | dannym | lcuk, hmm... it doesn't work here... |
| 18:58.25 | lcuk | i didnt think i was going mad |
| 18:58.34 | lcuk | so ull values can be held but not copied? |
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| 18:59.11 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: you playing with debian? |
| 18:59.41 | lcuk | dannym, this code fails to work no matter what i try for the 64bit copy (ive tried doubles and ull) http://slexy.org/view/s2js20ByOC |
| 18:59.42 | dannym | lcuk, I meant that "unsigned long* position", then "(char*) (position + 1 - position)" is 1... weird... |
| 18:59.50 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, i'm setting it up. i've installed initfs, i'm getting svn now |
| 19:00.21 | lcuk | if i remove the entire 64bit section it works properly, but with 64bit it cocks up |
| 19:01.49 | lcuk | (this is the core blitter within liqbase btw) |
| 19:02.34 | RST38h | lcuk: Are you doing it on ARM? |
| 19:02.42 | lcuk | yes |
| 19:02.48 | lcuk | so is rm |
| 19:02.50 | derf | What's wrong with using memcpy? |
| 19:02.54 | RST38h | lcuk: then you are doing it slowly |
| 19:03.01 | rm_you | YAY! |
| 19:03.20 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: k, if there's any issues, just prod me |
| 19:03.22 | rm_you | lcuk: look at latest svn |
| 19:03.25 | rm_you | r39 |
| 19:03.30 | rm_you | i am using long long |
| 19:03.32 | RST38h | lcuk: whatr is the smallest amount of data you would like to transfer? |
| 19:03.33 | rm_you | and it works great |
| 19:03.35 | lcuk | ok rm, will do soon. |
| 19:03.41 | RST38h | rm_you: Your bus is no wider than 32bits |
| 19:03.43 | lcuk | 1byte |
| 19:03.51 | rm_you | lcuk: no, i mean, for you :P everything is working perfectly |
| 19:03.54 | RST38h | rm_you: what the hell are you gonna win form using uuls? =) |
| 19:04.07 | lcuk | because it goes upto 800 bytes |
| 19:04.18 | RST38h | lcuk: sure about 1byte thing? |
| 19:04.21 | rm_you | RST38h: ? |
| 19:04.37 | lcuk | ]it takes arbitary width bitmaps/glyphs and copies them |
| 19:04.37 | RST38h | rm_you: Imagine what OMAP CPU looks on the inside |
| 19:04.37 | lcuk | yes |
| 19:04.42 | rm_you | i just wanted to store a 13 digit number in one int |
| 19:04.43 | lcuk | single pixel glyphs |
| 19:04.45 | lcuk | letter i |
| 19:04.45 | RST38h | rm_yous: It has a 32bit bus going to SDRAM |
| 19:04.48 | rm_you | it's cool, it works with long long |
| 19:04.52 | rm_you | i dont care about speed / etc |
| 19:04.53 | RST38h | Most likely even 16bit |
| 19:04.56 | rm_you | not calculating on it |
| 19:04.57 | lcuk | its 32 |
| 19:04.59 | rm_you | just storing |
| 19:05.08 | RST38h | So when you are using 64bit data it still gets copies in 32bit incremenets internally |
| 19:05.18 | rm_you | RST38h: don't care, it is only for storage |
| 19:05.25 | lcuk | RST38h, totally understood |
| 19:05.31 | RST38h | then there is no need to write such complicated code |
| 19:05.34 | rm_you | i'm not using it for math <_< |
| 19:05.46 | rm_you | it is very un-complicated now, due to use of long long :P |
| 19:05.47 | lcuk | but technically i can replace the 64bit block with SIMD instructions |
| 19:05.50 | lcuk | and move 128bits |
| 19:05.57 | RST38h | you can't |
| 19:06.04 | RST38h | 32bit bus, lcuk |
| 19:06.17 | RST38h | you are moving 32bit data |
| 19:06.53 | lcuk | and? if i use 1 instruction instead of 2 and remove 1 add and remove 1 test to loop i save work |
| 19:06.58 | RST38h | ok, should I tell you how to do it? |
| 19:07.16 | lcuk | by all means show me the faster way. at present it only does 32bit |
| 19:07.19 | dannym | lcdd, tried that code here and it works fine... |
| 19:07.24 | dannym | oops |
| 19:07.26 | RST38h | all right, listen here: |
| 19:07.29 | dannym | damn Xchat completion |
| 19:07.31 | Tu13es | wow, soft poweroff is broken in diablo? lame |
| 19:07.57 | RST38h | First of all, if it unaligned addresses or small amount of data, default to memcpy |
| 19:08.11 | lcuk | it doesnt matter - ive tested on and off boundary |
| 19:08.14 | lcuk | its negligable |
| 19:08.27 | RST38h | Now, if it is aligned src/dst addresses and largish amount of data... |
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| 19:08.33 | RST38h | do __asm { |
| 19:08.52 | RST38h | and in there, assign src and dst to two ARM registers and do ldmia/stmia in a loop |
| 19:09.14 | RST38h | that will be the fastest it can get. on an arm. with 32bit memory bus. |
| 19:09.20 | lcuk | 100% agree |
| 19:09.22 | rm_you | ooo inline asm :P |
| 19:09.29 | RST38h | Let us see how much you can transfer in one pass of the loop: |
| 19:09.31 | lcuk | but then i cant use the code on x86 |
| 19:09.45 | RST38h | lcuk: fuck x86, use memcpy there |
| 19:09.58 | rm_you | lcuk: yeah can optimize... |
| 19:10.01 | RST38h | x86 will survive |
| 19:10.03 | lcuk | why? that works plenty quick enough |
| 19:10.08 | rm_you | #ifdef ARM |
| 19:10.12 | RST38h | let us see... |
| 19:10.14 | rm_you | and do asm |
| 19:10.17 | rm_you | #else |
| 19:10.19 | RST38h | You can make use of R1..R12 |
| 19:10.19 | rm_you | do memcpy |
| 19:10.23 | RST38h | R0..R12 rather |
| 19:10.37 | RST38h | because you are not using any local data, R12 is ok to trash |
| 19:10.48 | lcuk | i know i can make use of an awful lot - the asm is very muchly like 68k |
| 19:10.54 | RST38h | R0..R3 are temporaries anyway, R0=dst, R1=src, R2=cunt |
| 19:10.57 | RST38h | count, sorry :) |
| 19:11.02 | lcuk | heh |
| 19:11.04 | derf | I mean, seriously, have you tested memcpy()? |
| 19:11.09 | RST38h | R4..R11 you will have to save |
| 19:11.34 | RST38h | which gives us R3..R11 = 9 registers to play with |
| 19:11.36 | derf | It should check for alignment and do something not too unreasonable on all platforms. |
| 19:11.39 | RST38h | here is what you do: |
| 19:11.44 | *** part/#maemo skmurphy (n=chatzill@168.28.68.74) |
| 19:11.51 | smyows | have alternative for wayfinde maps? |
| 19:11.54 | lcuk | derf, no |
| 19:12.03 | RST38h | ldmia r1!,{r3,r4,r5,r6,r7,r8,r9,r10,r11} |
| 19:12.13 | RST38h | stmia r0!,{r3,r4,r5,r6,r7,r8,r9,r10,r11} |
| 19:12.18 | lcuk | RST38h, if i am using asm i will just use the SIMD instructions |
| 19:12.19 | smyows | wayfinder is so expensive to brazilian people |
| 19:12.24 | lcuk | thats way to ragged |
| 19:12.26 | RST38h | subs r2,r2,#(9*4) |
| 19:12.35 | RST38h | bne ==> to ldmia |
| 19:12.50 | lcuk | and too much work for a genereal function that doesnt know specifically how much data it has |
| 19:12.51 | RST38h | lcuk: Once again: your SIMD instructions are no use |
| 19:12.58 | lcuk | and is called for every single glyph on the screen |
| 19:13.05 | lcuk | i would waste time loading it up for no reason |
| 19:13.05 | RST38h | lcuk: you are NOT using 64bit or 128bit data bus |
| 19:13.09 | tank-man | smyows, there is maemo-mapper, but that doesnt do offline routing, but maybe you can use a palm os mapping app to generate routes and export to .gpx format and import that into maemo-mapper |
| 19:13.24 | lcuk | no,but i ask it to move 128bits it will move them |
| 19:13.33 | lcuk | even if it takes 4 passes through the buss |
| 19:13.37 | smyows | tank-man, :) cool |
| 19:13.40 | lcuk | thats handled in 1 instruction |
| 19:13.46 | sp3000 | speaking of which, my browser complains about having too little memory every now and then with maemo-mapper running |
| 19:13.49 | crashanddie | did anyone notice stop stuttering on a bluetooth earpiece on the n810 ? |
| 19:13.59 | RST38h | lcuk: It will, but here I have just asked it to move 288bits in 2 instructions |
| 19:14.04 | RST38h | lcuk: and it moved 'em! |
| 19:14.05 | smyows | or get the route on net before |
| 19:14.09 | sp3000 | I sort of get the feeling it's being a bit eager about keeping a memory tile cache around or something |
| 19:14.25 | sp3000 | should read code |
| 19:14.27 | lcuk | ^ |
| 19:14.35 | lcuk | RST38h, you are right of course :) |
| 19:14.47 | RST38h | lcuk: And I didn't even use SIMD which isn't very kosher anyway |
| 19:15.05 | lcuk | you are right, i think SIMD instructions are catholic |
| 19:15.22 | RST38h | SIMD isn't present on low-end ARMs |
| 19:15.31 | RST38h | For example, GameBoy Advance can't SIMD |
| 19:15.44 | lcuk | ponders |
| 19:16.17 | RST38h | OMAP1 can't SIMD for all I know |
| 19:16.31 | dannym | *reads <http://www.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de/rz/docs/VTune/reference/LDMIA_(Thumb).htm>* cool :) |
| 19:16.33 | lcuk | even supposing i dont attempt to use all spare regs (cos i dont want to clobber them) |
| 19:16.41 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, http://pastebin.com/md9813ac - i have zap's bash2 installed. i'll edit py to install with --force-all :) |
| 19:16.52 | lcuk | hmmm RST38h :) |
| 19:17.48 | rm_you | lcuk: tested barcode yet? |
| 19:18.02 | lcuk | no, my mind has just gone wandering in the trees |
| 19:18.09 | rm_you | heh k keep doing whatev |
| 19:18.13 | RST38h | lcuk: btw, if you want to copy from unaligned addresses or short portions of data, it can also be done elegantly in ARM assembly |
| 19:18.13 | lcuk | likes RST38h's idea |
| 19:18.16 | rm_you | i will find someone to test |
| 19:18.40 | lcuk | unaligned didnt actually make that much difference on here |
| 19:18.56 | RST38h | Then restrict your function to aligned stuff |
| 19:19.11 | RST38h | But you said you wanted it to copy single bytes, etc? |
| 19:19.21 | jott | ssvb did some test a while ago http://code.google.com/p/arm1136j-s/source/browse |
| 19:19.22 | lcuk | no, it should work still, ill run some tests, ill start small with 64bit :) |
| 19:19.29 | RST38h | ok |
| 19:19.41 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: alright, isn't fatal, it's good it checks it first ;) |
| 19:19.47 | jott | (unaligned memcpy) |
| 19:19.53 | lcuk | thanks RST38h |
| 19:20.12 | RST38h | Some "Oksana" is offering "hot assholes filled to the top" |
| 19:20.23 | RST38h | For the 5th time today. |
| 19:20.40 | lcuk | surely they should be filled to the bottom? |
| 19:20.44 | RST38h | Is anybody biting, I wonder... |
| 19:20.51 | zap | qwerty12_N800: do you really want both bash2 and bash3? |
| 19:21.12 | crashanddie | RST38h, I'm trying, but I fail to see how one can bite an asshole |
| 19:21.27 | zap | X-Fade: what will happen with packages in extra-devel if they aren't moved to extras? Will they clutter the -devel repository? |
| 19:21.46 | RST38h | lcuk: well, the spam is in Russian, and I am somewhat ignorant about linguistic correspondence in THIS particular part of the vocabulary |
| 19:21.54 | lcuk | lol |
| 19:22.18 | qwerty12_N800 | zap, debian installer wants me to install. i must listen or penguin will put my face in "hot assholes filled to the top" |
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| 19:25.01 | GAN800 | facepalms at 'maemo.org web services'. |
| 19:25.02 | zap | debian installer could depend on bash2 | bash3 |
| 19:25.30 | GAN800 | andre___, poke. . . |
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| 19:26.36 | sp3000 | why, is the asl database down |
| 19:26.36 | andre___ | GAN800, pong |
| 19:26.52 | sp3000 | oh noes, the asl database is down! |
| 19:27.09 | sp3000 | oh, there it is.' |
| 19:27.24 | GAN800 | andre___, normal users shouldn't have been able to see the classifications page. |
| 19:27.42 | andre___ | GAN800, err what? where? |
| 19:27.46 | GAN800 | Now, I think, you kinda pushed an early launch |
| 19:27.58 | GAN800 | X-Fade's bug. |
| 19:28.08 | GAN800 | 3477 or whatever. |
| 19:28.14 | andre___ | Well. People don't need to choose |
| 19:28.24 | andre___ | what's the issue, and where? :) |
| 19:28.28 | andre___ | we can always revert... |
| 19:28.41 | GAN800 | and that should be 'Website', not 'maemo.org web services'. |
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| 19:29.23 | GAN800 | 'maemo.org' is _never_ capitaziled, anyway. |
| 19:29.23 | andre___ | it is Website now :-D |
| 19:29.35 | Stskeeps | zap: i only found bash3 initially.. is bash2 in extras? |
| 19:29.49 | andre___ | hmm. that capitalization debate... hmm |
| 19:30.10 | GAN800 | Could a normal user tell me what they see when they hig new bug in bugzilla? |
| 19:30.24 | GAN800 | andre___, it's not a debate. It's a fact. |
| 19:30.32 | sjgadsby | GAN800: What do you need to know? |
| 19:31.05 | sjgadsby | GAN800: All, Garage, Maemo Software, Maemo.org Website. |
| 19:31.07 | GAN800 | sjgadsby, does it ask you to select a classification? |
| 19:31.13 | andre___ | oh oh. no cookies for little andre today. ;-) |
| 19:31.16 | sjgadsby | GAN800: Yes. |
| 19:31.28 | Stskeeps | can anyone explain to me what "ERROR: ld.so: object 'libfakehildon.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. |
| 19:31.32 | Stskeeps | means? |
| 19:31.36 | Stskeeps | in tech terms :) |
| 19:31.40 | GAN800 | sjgadsby, you have editbugs? |
| 19:31.55 | sjgadsby | GAN800: I don't think so. |
| 19:32.04 | sjgadsby | I've never been told I do. |
| 19:32.13 | andre___ | GAN800, garrr... done. thanks for the comments |
| 19:32.20 | andre___ | sjgadsby, you should have i think |
| 19:32.25 | sp3000 | doesn't see it |
| 19:32.39 | sjgadsby | How would I know if I have editbugs? |
| 19:32.45 | GAN800 | andre___, there's some template work that needs to be done before we can deploy. |
| 19:32.56 | sp3000 | sjgadsby: https://bugs.maemo.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=permissions |
| 19:32.59 | GAN800 | sjgadsby, pref -> permissions |
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| 19:33.26 | andre___ | sjgadsby, now you have :-P |
| 19:33.26 | sp3000 | meh, my picks are too heavy |
| 19:33.28 | sjgadsby | Ah, I have canconfirm and editbugs. Nevermind. |
| 19:33.36 | andre___ | just gave them to you. |
| 19:33.40 | GAN800 | timeless has been shuffling some stuff around while keeping as many of the changes as possible invisible. |
| 19:33.50 | andre___ | sjgadsby, use them wisely. common sense blah blah :) |
| 19:34.00 | andre___ | GAN800, yeah, that's cool |
| 19:34.26 | sjgadsby | I will strive to use my powers for good instead of evil. |
| 19:36.06 | RST38h | sjgadsby: why? |
| 19:37.03 | sjgadsby | RST38h: Sadly, I tend to be lawful good. I'm terribly unfun. |
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| 19:37.49 | GAN800 | andre___, anything you can do to push #3478 more directly? |
| 19:38.56 | sp3000 | sjgadsby: so I'm not the only one that is too tempted to click on random numbers :P |
| 19:39.44 | sjgadsby | sp3000: I blame GAN800 for creating tempting clicky things. |
| 19:39.52 | sp3000 | has an excuse, his client is nice enough to linkify things like "bug 3478" usefully |
| 19:40.12 | GAN800 | had put together a bug bot until it generated 101GB of logs in 24 hours. |
| 19:40.17 | dannym | Stskeeps, it means that the loader tried to load something that was mentioned in the environment variable "LD_PRELOAD" and it couldn't... |
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| 19:41.10 | dannym | Stskeeps, probably need to use the complete path else it wouldn't find it half of the time and be a security leak the other times :) |
| 19:41.35 | dannym | security problem* |
| 19:41.36 | GAN800 | andre___, another facepalm @ 3472. I don't think you should even be able to see that. . . . |
| 19:43.15 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, you really need to clear the screen before running cfdisk. i have no idea wtf i am doing :/ |
| 19:43.41 | RST38h | (what the hell is this 3472?) |
| 19:43.57 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i think cfdisk does clear the screen itself |
| 19:44.22 | GAN800 | RST38h, bug number. |
| 19:44.36 | GAN800 | You shouldn't be able to see it |
| 19:45.10 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: are you sshing in or on tablet? |
| 19:45.27 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, on tablet |
| 19:46.21 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: ah, that's evil :P try full screen and ctrl-l |
| 19:46.34 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i always ssh in, i guess it would be a nightmare on tablet |
| 19:46.39 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe, thanks, trying now :) |
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| 19:46.58 | RST38h | GA: It is an advanced backlight bug |
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| 19:47.26 | Stskeeps | for the UI designers among you.. NIT-Debian, Flash, http://rafb.net/p/wI5uCi52.html and http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian-fullscreenflash.jpg (done with import -root nit-debian-fullscreenflash.jpg) |
| 19:47.33 | RST38h | Why would it have anything to do with Nokia staff? =) |
| 19:47.35 | GAN800 | RST38h, can you see it? . . . |
| 19:47.42 | RST38h | yep |
| 19:47.47 | Stskeeps | er, import -window root |
| 19:47.48 | GAN800 | damn. . . |
| 19:47.54 | GAN800 | It doesn't |
| 19:48.10 | GAN800 | andre___ fails at seeing products. :P |
| 19:48.22 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, shouldn't have told. now where will we get our evil from :p |
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| 19:49.09 | RST38h | qwerty: I will gladly make a daily human sacrifice for you |
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| 19:49.34 | RST38h | qwerty: When provided with material and disposal facilities of course |
| 19:49.38 | qwerty12_N800 | Wow, you would do that for me? |
| 19:49.45 | qwerty12_N800 | sheds a tear |
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| 19:50.52 | RST38h | =) |
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| 19:51.46 | RST38h | qwerty: In exchange, I expect you to talk rm_you into creating a a cpu temp / clock control applet =) |
| 19:52.05 | lcuk | RST38h, i freeze everytime i attempt that opcode or attempt any copy over 32bits. it may be because of unaligned offsets but when i was first testing it i forced font glyphs to be 4 pixels wide all starting at 0, and had same results. |
| 19:52.29 | qwerty12_N800 | rm_you, create a cpu temp / clock control applet :p |
| 19:52.35 | lcuk | i have a speed test which draws 1000 lines of a single string, then tells me how many FPS it would get |
| 19:52.40 | rm_you | lol |
| 19:52.47 | lcuk | my routine comes out with 7fps |
| 19:52.59 | lcuk | memcpy comes out with 3.5 |
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| 19:53.05 | lcuk | 64bit freezes |
| 19:56.18 | qwerty12_N800 | if kerecv is doing its job right, my cards should be unmounted when removing back cover. lets see... |
| 19:58.01 | RST38h | ;cuk: Show me your code |
| 19:58.06 | GAN800 | lcuk, who wants to bet mutiny32's going to claim responsibility for the driver progress? :D |
| 19:58.13 | RST38h | lcuk: shoe mr your code |
| 19:58.37 | RST38h | Shit, I forgot how to type on a real keyboard after these two weeks |
| 19:58.45 | lcuk | he better not GAN800 |
| 19:58.48 | lcuk | RST38h, 2 mins |
| 19:59.23 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, don't worry, we'll sort 'im out northern style :p |
| 19:59.31 | rm_you | GAN800: ?? |
| 19:59.46 | rm_you | driver progress? |
| 20:00.12 | GAN800 | Somebody be cool and reply to my bugzilla meeting note on maemo-community to up the visibility. :P |
| 20:00.30 | GAN800 | rm_you, pay attention to the wiki. :P |
| 20:00.34 | rm_you | lol |
| 20:00.45 | rm_you | too much stuff to pay attention to |
| 20:01.22 | qwerty12_N800 | so get a bigger attention span then init |
| 20:01.45 | rm_you | /etc/init.d/bigger_attention_span start |
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| 20:02.09 | qwerty12_N800 | sh: /etc/init.d/bigger_attention_span not found |
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| 20:03.18 | lcuk | RST38h, http://slexy.org/view/s2JqdOCugn |
| 20:03.44 | lcuk | and that freezes. it never completes a blit |
| 20:04.04 | lcuk | infact, it might not even get to a blit, because i think its something to do with stepping ouit of thumb |
| 20:04.11 | RST38h | lcuk: let me see first |
| 20:05.00 | RST38h | urgh |
| 20:05.11 | RST38h | using gcc inline assembly in such a broken way |
| 20:06.37 | RST38h | lcuk: I can't guarantee this will work |
| 20:06.48 | lcuk | well that was on the link you provided |
| 20:06.49 | RST38h | don't use inline assembly, make a separate .s file |
| 20:06.50 | lcuk | nor can i |
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| 20:06.59 | RST38h | No, I did not provide you a link with that |
| 20:07.09 | lcuk | that was from http://code.google.com/p/arm1136j-s/source/browse/trunk/graphics/inline-asm-mem-16bpp.c |
| 20:07.15 | lcuk | hmmm some1 did lol |
| 20:07.39 | lcuk | the thing is: this has the exact same effect as if i use any kind of 64bit value |
| 20:07.47 | lcuk | i think its a thumb issue |
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| 20:08.41 | lcuk | ahhh, was jott :) |
| 20:09.21 | RST38h | the assembly that is given is arm32 |
| 20:09.25 | RST38h | it is not thumb |
| 20:09.44 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, I'm too lazy to make a swap partition, is it possible to use the .swap already present on my vfat partition? |
| 20:09.45 | lcuk | yes so it will lock up my program if i use it and im compiled to thumb... |
| 20:10.02 | lcuk | i cant remember offhand whether the optimisations did or not or the default is or not |
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| 20:10.58 | zfigz | hey guys |
| 20:11.12 | zfigz | anyone know if you can get skype to use the light on the n810? |
| 20:11.17 | zfigz | so it blinks when a call is coming thru |
| 20:11.25 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: prolly, we dont use it in installer |
| 20:11.31 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: just that it might come in handy later |
| 20:12.16 | lcuk | RST38h, if i put the code into a .s that has its own cpu opcode model (changing is at a functional/file level) |
| 20:12.22 | Stskeeps | so it was advice for installation since its hard to be undone, qwerty12_N800 |
| 20:12.29 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, sfdisk and cfdisk are finding ways to piss me off. i'm not going to risk 5gb worth of data for a swap partition :) |
| 20:12.55 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: hehe, just ignore it then :) |
| 20:13.04 | Stskeeps | and add a swapon somewhere in rc scripts when time is |
| 20:13.07 | terbo | zfigz: i just started using skype .. it doesnt seem to be very extinsable/feature filled |
| 20:13.40 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, good idea, i'll just get it to share my maemo one :) |
| 20:14.05 | zfigz | terbo, yeah...but it's better than fring. |
| 20:14.59 | RST38h | lcuk: it should generate a correct BLX opcode for calling it |
| 20:15.46 | terbo | fring? i mean on the n800, specifically |
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| 20:17.06 | GAN800 | Gizmo is better than both. . . . |
| 20:17.55 | zfigz | Oh ok |
| 20:18.00 | zfigz | fring.com |
| 20:19.32 | GAN800 | Fring is about the worst piece of shit I've ever seen on the tablets. |
| 20:19.50 | RST38h | It is much worse on S60 |
| 20:19.57 | crashanddie | "(GAN800) Fring is about the worst piece of shit I've ever seen" <-- fixed |
| 20:20.04 | RST38h | Takes 1 second to move selection bar between contacts |
| 20:20.26 | zfigz | It was kinda cool on the iPhone but that's because the IPhone doesn't have skype |
| 20:20.33 | crashanddie | RST38h, that's because there's network access everytime you highlight a new contact |
| 20:20.44 | RST38h | crash: WHY? |
| 20:21.24 | crashanddie | RST38h, IIRC, err, check the actions available for a given contact, check if the contact is still online, stuff like that |
| 20:21.34 | crashanddie | in other words: very poorly designed |
| 20:21.49 | lcuk | how do you check if a user is online without going online |
| 20:21.59 | lcuk | checking the network ^ |
| 20:22.31 | crashanddie | lcuk, because usually, most protocols integrate a server issued message that tells you when someone goes offline |
| 20:22.47 | crashanddie | lcuk, and clients don't ask for it *everytime* they want to |
| 20:23.12 | lcuk | servers push status to clients? |
| 20:23.22 | crashanddie | aye |
| 20:23.51 | lcuk | ahhhh, for example: * yerga has quit ("bye bye bye...") |
| 20:24.10 | lcuk | and * eton_ (n=eton@ppp-58-8-3-206.revip2.asianet.co.th) has joined #maemo |
| 20:24.18 | crashanddie | easiest way to implement this would be the publish-subscribe design pattern |
| 20:24.28 | crashanddie | lcuk, now you're talking about IRC, I'm talking about MSN/Skype |
| 20:24.57 | lcuk | crashanddie, the principle is there, freenode tells us when someone enteres or leaves |
| 20:25.00 | crashanddie | lcuk, but yeah, your example still stands |
| 20:25.26 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, thought about running swapoff before unmounting? "umount: cannot umount /media/mmc2: Device or resource busy" "umount: cannot umount /dev/mmcblk0p2: Invalid argument" |
| 20:26.18 | zap | Stskeeps: yes, its in extras |
| 20:26.27 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: add as a ticket - i didn't think of swapoff in the whole cover-installer-ass-in case something is mounted :) |
| 20:26.55 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, hah, lol will do soon |
| 20:27.52 | practisevoodoo | has anyone managed to instal PyGTKEditor on diablo? |
| 20:28.08 | Stskeeps | zap: ta, one less package to host :P |
| 20:28.22 | zap | Æ) |
| 20:28.41 | lophyte | practisevoodoo: there's a thread on ITT about that |
| 20:28.56 | practisevoodoo | TO THE INTERWEB! |
| 20:28.57 | lophyte | let me see if I can find it |
| 20:29.36 | Stskeeps | zap: and it doesnt screw up /bin/sh busybox? |
| 20:30.04 | qwerty12_N800 | Well, it is set as default to my annoyance... |
| 20:30.10 | zap | Stskeeps: of course not |
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| 20:31.28 | Stskeeps | zap: both chinook and diablo extras? |
| 20:31.35 | zap | íóç |
| 20:31.36 | zap | yep |
| 20:32.06 | lophyte | practisevoodoo: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=190792&postcount=48 |
| 20:32.47 | practisevoodoo | thanks (pending success) |
| 20:34.24 | crashanddie | practisevoodoo, that's kinda rude, actually |
| 20:34.38 | practisevoodoo | really? |
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| 20:34.59 | crashanddie | practisevoodoo, someone dug up a link, and you'll only thank 'em if it works ? |
| 20:35.12 | crashanddie | They took interest in your problem, they should be thanked regardless of the results |
| 20:35.17 | crashanddie | :P |
| 20:35.23 | crashanddie | [/rant] |
| 20:35.23 | lophyte | he could've just left and not said anything :P |
| 20:35.33 | practisevoodoo | well it was supposed to be more jokey than serious, should have put a smiley in there |
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| 20:35.54 | practisevoodoo | sorry lophyte |
| 20:36.01 | lophyte | no worries :) |
| 20:38.11 | camcorder | adblock extension ported to maemo, didn't it? |
| 20:38.25 | qwerty12_N800 | it sucks on maemo |
| 20:38.33 | camcorder | slow? |
| 20:38.37 | GAN800 | Yes, but's about as slow and crappy as they come. |
| 20:38.48 | GAN800 | css/hosts is the way to go. |
| 20:38.48 | practisevoodoo | try flash block though, that worked quite well |
| 20:40.29 | camcorder | thanks to advertisers flash block might be enough |
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| 20:40.57 | camcorder | thanks |
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| 20:41.48 | zfigz | hey guys |
| 20:41.59 | zfigz | what's the best dictionary for the desktop? |
| 20:42.06 | m-c | camcorder: Have you heard how you can add a list of names to your hosts file to block those malicious websites? |
| 20:42.07 | zfigz | stardict isn't for the desktop it seems |
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| 20:42.30 | camcorder | m-c, not head, but I'd probably prepare a hosts file from filterset.g |
| 20:42.56 | camcorder | m-c, though it might not be very accurate :P |
| 20:43.00 | m-c | Yeah, I have one that I use that is very extensive. I can let you have a copy, if you are interested |
| 20:43.18 | camcorder | m-c, why not? can you put it somewhere? |
| 20:43.26 | m-c | I will PM you the link |
| 20:43.30 | camcorder | k |
| 20:43.34 | camcorder | thanks |
| 20:43.50 | m-c | Sure thing - if you find any more then let me know so I can add them |
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| 20:44.58 | m-c | You may see where the page looks like it is still loading because it cannot reach the malicious servers. If that bothers you, then you can use proxy software that resolves those lookups quickly and without error. |
| 20:45.09 | jott | zfigz: http://code.google.com/p/stardictproject/downloads/list |
| 20:45.16 | m-c | Privoxy - I believe that is the best one |
| 20:45.27 | zfigz | Thanks Jott |
| 20:45.52 | m-c | And because it is a hosts file, you can be sure no program - even outside your browser - will get to those domain names |
| 20:48.05 | GAN800 | doesn't get people who sign forum posts. |
| 20:48.11 | camcorder | anyone tried profiling adblock? |
| 20:48.59 | zfigz | jott, which do i want to download? the debian vers? |
| 20:52.01 | zfigz | hmm |
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| 20:52.11 | zfigz | "Unable to update stardict. Incompatible application package" |
| 20:53.08 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: going to bed, if there's any issues just leave some info in /msg to me and i'll take a look :) |
| 20:54.54 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, same here, i don't know if i will be able to finish the install today :) |
| 20:55.22 | Stskeeps | hehe, just let it stand and do it's job :P |
| 20:55.23 | Stskeeps | bbl |
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| 20:56.01 | qwerty12_N800 | my router gets turned off :/ |
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| 20:56.41 | jott | zfigz: depends on what distro you are using.. |
| 20:57.02 | zfigz | jott, i downloaded the stardict from the app manager |
| 20:57.14 | jott | ah on the tablet?! |
| 20:57.24 | jott | you asked for a desktop version.. |
| 20:57.30 | zfigz | yeah |
| 20:57.32 | zfigz | :P |
| 20:57.40 | zfigz | I have it on the N810 |
| 20:57.42 | zfigz | sorry about that |
| 20:58.14 | jott | the tablet version is in chinook extras, the official desktop versions are on the google code page.. |
| 20:58.37 | zfigz | chinook extras? |
| 20:58.41 | zfigz | via the application manager? |
| 20:58.45 | zfigz | I have the app on the n810 |
| 20:59.01 | zfigz | just not sure how to get dictionaries into it and where i go to find the dictionaries |
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| 21:01.26 | practisevoodoo | still working on this PyGTKEditor issue, try to install sourceview and it says that it cant instal it but it still appears in installed applications |
| 21:02.58 | jott | zfigz: the dictionaries are here: http://stardict.sourceforge.net/Dictionaries.php |
| 21:03.33 | zfigz | cool, thanks jott. |
| 21:04.21 | jott | zfigz: there are various places stardict looks for them ( ~/.stardict/dic for example) |
| 21:05.04 | jott | zfigz: just use "Help" on stardict on your n810 to get the list |
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| 21:06.13 | zfigz | ok |
| 21:08.43 | zfigz | hmm, still can't find any dictionaries for it |
| 21:08.45 | zfigz | looking on that site |
| 21:08.49 | zfigz | can only find the apps |
| 21:10.35 | jott | zfigz: its an bit ugly but they are all linked from the site i posted above |
| 21:11.16 | zfigz | oh ok |
| 21:11.17 | zfigz | i see |
| 21:11.19 | zfigz | yeah |
| 21:11.20 | zfigz | a lil' ugly |
| 21:11.45 | jott | they should try to find a webdesigner ;) |
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| 21:15.09 | zfigz | indeed |
| 21:16.32 | zfigz | is there a file manager that actually reflects the true data structure of the file system? |
| 21:16.43 | zfigz | because i don't know how to put this dictionary into the right directory |
| 21:18.34 | zfigz | well i downloaded it |
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| 21:20.07 | u1106 | zfigz: xterm and ls ??? |
| 21:20.59 | zfigz | I just downloaded a stardict dictionary |
| 21:21.07 | zfigz | not sure how to get stardict to recognize it now |
| 21:24.03 | zfigz | Anyone know how to move the dictionary to the proper directory? |
| 21:24.47 | crashanddie | zfigz, where did you download it ? |
| 21:24.52 | zfigz | Do Documents |
| 21:24.53 | crashanddie | zfigz, open the terminal |
| 21:24.53 | zfigz | er |
| 21:24.55 | zfigz | To that is |
| 21:24.57 | zfigz | Ok |
| 21:25.01 | zfigz | Terminal opened |
| 21:25.29 | crashanddie | zfigz, ls MyDods/.documents |
| 21:25.38 | crashanddie | s/MyDods/MyDocs/ |
| 21:26.12 | zfigz | ok |
| 21:26.14 | zfigz | it's still tar'd |
| 21:26.21 | zfigz | do i need to untar it? |
| 21:26.27 | crashanddie | I dunno |
| 21:26.29 | crashanddie | probably |
| 21:26.47 | zfigz | how would i move it to ~/.stardict/dic ? |
| 21:27.31 | crashanddie | zfigz, tar xvf MyDocs/.documents/yourfile.tar -C ~/.stardict/dic |
| 21:27.46 | zap | Is there a way to tell maemo-launcher to restart without rebooting the device? |
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| 21:28.44 | crashanddie | zap, /etc/init.d/maemo-launcher restart |
| 21:28.55 | zfigz | argh |
| 21:28.57 | zfigz | no such file |
| 21:29.05 | crashanddie | zfigz, what no such file ? |
| 21:29.10 | crashanddie | zfigz, ~/.stardict ? |
| 21:30.04 | zap | crashanddie: that reboots :-) |
| 21:30.11 | zfigz | um |
| 21:30.15 | zfigz | I think so |
| 21:30.27 | crashanddie | zap, oh, I don't think there is then |
| 21:30.38 | crashanddie | zfigz, mkdir ~/.stardict |
| 21:30.44 | crashanddie | zfigz, mkdir ~/.stardict/dic |
| 21:30.52 | crashanddie | (yes, you have to issue both commands) |
| 21:31.17 | zfigz | ok |
| 21:32.09 | zfigz | ok |
| 21:32.18 | zfigz | yeah |
| 21:32.21 | zfigz | i can't untar it |
| 21:32.36 | zap | ah cool, force-reload does the trick! |
| 21:32.53 | crashanddie | zfigz, why not ? |
| 21:33.21 | zfigz | it's not in mydocs |
| 21:33.23 | zfigz | that's why |
| 21:35.00 | zfigz | I'm not sure how to find it via terminal |
| 21:35.05 | zfigz | via the file manager it's in documents |
| 21:36.12 | lbt | there may be a hidden file called .documents in /home/user/mydocs |
| 21:36.24 | lbt | use ls -la |
| 21:36.41 | lbt | also the 'find' command is useful |
| 21:36.42 | crashanddie | that's exactly what I said |
| 21:36.51 | lbt | I wasn't listening :) |
| 21:36.52 | crashanddie | MyDocs/.documents/yourfile.tar |
| 21:37.00 | crashanddie | well I don't mind you not listening |
| 21:37.03 | lbt | :D |
| 21:37.07 | zfigz | ok |
| 21:37.14 | jott | crashanddie: ever tried mkdir -p ~/much/more/directories/at/once ? ;) |
| 21:37.28 | crashanddie | jott, I prefer educating new users the right way |
| 21:37.36 | jott | -p is the right way :O |
| 21:38.29 | crashanddie | it also prevents people making mistakes such as mkdir Videos/Torrent/eMule |
| 21:38.38 | zfigz | well hmm |
| 21:38.40 | zfigz | can't find it |
| 21:38.43 | crashanddie | where "Torrent/eMule" is meant to be the same directory |
| 21:38.48 | zfigz | doesn't make any sense |
| 21:38.52 | zfigz | I should just be able to move it easily |
| 21:39.31 | zfigz | Anyone know how i can find this in terminal? |
| 21:39.40 | zfigz | it's obviously not the same as the file mangaer. |
| 21:40.54 | sp3000 | find /home/user/MyDocs |
| 21:41.17 | zfigz | ok |
| 21:42.03 | zfigz | ok |
| 21:42.50 | zfigz | bz2? |
| 21:44.28 | crashanddie | zfigz, ls -l /home/user/MyDocs/.documents/ |
| 21:45.11 | zfigz | ok |
| 21:45.19 | zfigz | did that |
| 21:45.23 | zfigz | a bunch of text went down |
| 21:45.28 | zfigz | shows that file i want to untar |
| 21:45.47 | jott | you need to install "bzip2" to extract bz2 ... installing dictionaries does not look very end-user friendly :/ |
| 21:46.22 | zfigz | hehe |
| 21:46.24 | zfigz | not at all |
| 21:46.26 | zfigz | :P |
| 21:46.27 | zfigz | ok |
| 21:46.29 | zfigz | i'll get that |
| 21:46.53 | zfigz | argh |
| 21:46.56 | zfigz | it's not in the installer |
| 21:46.58 | zfigz | annoying |
| 21:47.45 | zfigz | oh well |
| 21:47.51 | zfigz | no dictionaries for me i guess |
| 21:49.20 | zfigz | so there's no application to uncompress a bz2 file? |
| 21:49.25 | zfigz | on the n810 that is |
| 21:49.51 | jott | oh there should be.. |
| 21:51.12 | lcuk | jott, if i wanted to use the gnu socket library (#include <sys/socket.h>) which --lib should I include? |
| 21:51.27 | lcuk | --libs |
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| 21:51.53 | sp3000 | Package: bzip2 1.0.3-1 (/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_extras_dists_diablo_free_binary-armel_Packages) |
| 21:52.02 | jott | lcuk: hmm i don't think you need any extra libs |
| 21:52.13 | lcuk | undefined reference to `init_sockaddr' |
| 21:52.25 | lcuk | at linkage |
| 21:52.26 | sp3000 | treats himself to some desktop crashes |
| 21:52.45 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, ping. |
| 21:52.57 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, pong |
| 21:53.12 | jott | lcuk: mmh what did you do? |
| 21:53.22 | GeneralAntilles | Still need more on #3478? |
| 21:53.24 | lcuk | hmmm, crashanddie just told me exact same |
| 21:53.32 | lcuk | it works direct without a makefile. |
| 21:53.39 | lcuk | im gonna clean it out |
| 21:53.56 | lcuk | sorry to disturb ya |
| 21:54.00 | lcuk | scratches his head |
| 21:54.00 | zfigz | sp3000, how do i get that application? |
| 21:54.27 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, more info is never bad :-P |
| 21:54.30 | sp3000 | depends |
| 21:54.36 | sp3000 | one would be, as root apt-get install bzip2 |
| 21:54.51 | GeneralAntilles | Well, sure, but I'm hoping I provided enough context. ;) |
| 21:55.16 | sp3000 | (you need to enable the pre-defined maemo extras repository in app mgr first) |
| 21:55.29 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, i think it's okay like this. let's see what the devs will say :) |
| 21:55.47 | GeneralAntilles | I mean, I know m-vo is familiar with the issue |
| 21:55.54 | jott | lcuk: does it work now? ;) |
| 21:56.17 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, and he's the internal assignee for this |
| 21:56.32 | andre__ | grrr, gnome bugzilla is slow... |
| 21:56.45 | GeneralAntilles | Can't possibly be as slow as maemo.org. :P |
| 21:57.11 | andre__ | hah. |
| 21:57.42 | sp3000 | I need some sort of evil mascot for unreproducible crashes |
| 21:57.51 | sp3000 | unreproducible crash baboon? |
| 21:57.53 | crashanddie | sp3000, use GeneralAntilles |
| 21:58.18 | GeneralAntilles | sings and dances. |
| 21:58.24 | zfigz | whats the pass for root? |
| 21:58.36 | sp3000 | gets another desktop crash |
| 21:58.38 | GeneralAntilles | 3rd plug for anybody who hasn't already seen it: https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Getting_Nokia_involved_in_Bugzilla |
| 21:58.45 | GeneralAntilles | Needs more input. |
| 21:58.46 | sp3000 | I may be trying to crash it, I'm not quite sure |
| 21:59.03 | jott | ~rootsh |
| 21:59.04 | infobot | [rootsh] an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/ |
| 21:59.12 | lcuk | jott, no im just trying to work out why |
| 21:59.20 | sp3000 | but it crashes instead right when I stop trying S |
| 21:59.24 | sp3000 | s/S/:S/ |
| 21:59.25 | jott | lcuk: have you actually defined init_sockaddr? :O |
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| 21:59.59 | lcuk | doubt it |
| 22:00.12 | jott | lcuk: sooo.... .. . :) |
| 22:00.20 | lcuk | http://www.gnu.org/software/libtool/manual/libc/Inet-Example.html#Inet-Example |
| 22:00.29 | lcuk | i was trying to start from the beginning |
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| 22:01.10 | jott | lcuk: yeah well see, they show how to implement a function init_sockaddr :) |
| 22:01.44 | lcuk | facepalms |
| 22:01.50 | zfigz | ok, i download bz2 but i don't know where it downloaded to |
| 22:01.53 | lcuk | takes a bow |
| 22:02.16 | lcuk | i told you i shouldnt drink wine and code |
| 22:02.38 | crashanddie | lol |
| 22:02.42 | crashanddie | isn't that exactly what I said ? |
| 22:02.44 | lcuk | so now tonight im sat here thinking i coded it fine |
| 22:02.59 | jott | lcuk: just make sure you hit the ballmer peak ;) ( http://xkcd.com/323/ ) |
| 22:03.04 | lcuk | ;) |
| 22:03.17 | lcuk | i dont normally drink but opened a bottle of red lastnight |
| 22:03.25 | zfigz | I downloaded bzip2 but i don't know where it got downloaded to |
| 22:03.29 | zfigz | i used root to download it |
| 22:04.26 | sp3000 | hm |
| 22:04.54 | sp3000 | is starting to suspect the large statusbar clock minutes applet crashes eventually if the hours aren't enabled, or something |
| 22:05.53 | zfigz | hmm |
| 22:06.00 | zfigz | I'm thinking of just using a different dictionary application |
| 22:06.04 | zfigz | this is way too confusing |
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| 22:06.43 | GeneralAntilles | sp3000, unlikely |
| 22:06.54 | yigal | lcuk: whisky, a true coders drink |
| 22:06.57 | GeneralAntilles | What might be happening is that its alarm functions could be causing trouble |
| 22:07.05 | GeneralAntilles | Make sure the alarm stuff is turned off. |
| 22:07.14 | GeneralAntilles | zfigz, apt-get install bzip2 |
| 22:07.15 | sp3000 | it's off it says |
| 22:07.31 | zfigz | ok |
| 22:07.33 | zfigz | i'll try that |
| 22:07.48 | lcuk | yigal, no way. i followed everything i had been taught and just missed one line. |
| 22:08.11 | lcuk | << PHAIL |
| 22:08.39 | zfigz | hmm |
| 22:08.41 | zfigz | i don't know |
| 22:08.43 | zfigz | this shite not working |
| 22:09.31 | sp3000 | GeneralAntilles: but, yeah, it isn't that simple |
| 22:09.43 | sp3000 | which is why I cue in ... |
| 22:09.49 | sp3000 | unreproducible crash boboon! |
| 22:09.53 | sp3000 | baboon even! |
| 22:10.00 | zfigz | yeah, i don't see that it was even installed |
| 22:10.05 | lcuk | hey jott, it compiles now |
| 22:10.08 | lcuk | *redfaced* |
| 22:10.30 | GeneralAntilles | What's the crash about, anyway? |
| 22:11.19 | GeneralAntilles | Unreproducible Crash Baboon says, "Hi" http://www.mnh.si.edu/exhibits/natures_best_2006/gallery/baboon.jpg |
| 22:13.20 | crashanddie | Haha |
| 22:13.29 | crashanddie | That baboon makes me think of me when I haven't shaved for a while |
| 22:14.15 | lcuk | that baboon would scare the missus |
| 22:14.30 | crashanddie | even though she's used to you ? |
| 22:14.32 | GeneralAntilles | Print it out, fold it into a throwing star and throw it at here. |
| 22:14.38 | GeneralAntilles | s/here/her/ |
| 22:14.39 | zfigz | Does anyone know of a different dictionary besides this poopy stardict |
| 22:14.41 | zfigz | ? |
| 22:14.52 | GeneralAntilles | wiktionary.org |
| 22:15.09 | GeneralAntilles | Or tell her you're printing her out something important and send her to the print |
| 22:15.10 | GeneralAntilles | er |
| 22:16.52 | lcuk | its too similar to a clown |
| 22:17.27 | crashanddie | "We have 500Gig of RAID storage, the database you will be designing should be able to work on that drive for the next 10 years, without space issues" "The database, with 15k users, 15k companies, 15k sensors, 45k test results, and 50k of random entries weighs about 500M" "OH MY GOD, BUT WE TOLD YOU TO THINK OF THE DRIVE SPACE !!" "How many companies/users/sensors have you tested in the past year ?" "Err 3" "I rest my case" |
| 22:17.31 | zfigz | mdictionary i guess is my best bet |
| 22:18.35 | zfigz | Is Map any better than maemo mapper? |
| 22:18.42 | zfigz | because wow, the gps locate is terrible |
| 22:18.44 | crashanddie | zfigz, they're difference |
| 22:18.51 | crashanddie | s/difference/different |
| 22:18.58 | zfigz | one costs money |
| 22:19.01 | zfigz | and the other doesn't |
| 22:19.10 | crashanddie | Map doesn't cost money |
| 22:19.13 | zfigz | i know that...but i just wish i could have a gps program that worked a lil' butter |
| 22:19.15 | zfigz | er |
| 22:19.19 | zfigz | no? |
| 22:19.29 | crashanddie | zfigz, have you tried A-GPS BETA ? |
| 22:19.40 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, you want one of my sharpened sticks to punish them with? |
| 22:20.03 | zfigz | crash, does that work pretty well? |
| 22:20.43 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, I hide a sharpened n810 stylus |
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| 22:21.10 | sp3000 | it gets some data from the internets so it'll have a better guesstimate of which sats to listen to or such, so it gets a fix somewhat faster |
| 22:23.37 | andre__ | night... |
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| 22:29.54 | GeneralAntilles | Don't forget! Sprint meeting in #maemo-meeting tomorrow, everybody! |
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| 22:31.37 | andre__ | 19:00 UTC |
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| 22:35.44 | zfigz | A-GPS Beta looks a lil' clunky |
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| 22:43.57 | lcuk | :) client and server are talking |
| 22:45.02 | jott | lcuk: now you can distribute your mini mes :) |
| 22:45.34 | lcuk | now i can see what kind of bandwidth is available |
| 22:47.19 | rm_you | lcuk: ? |
| 22:47.26 | rm_you | client/server of what |
| 22:48.22 | lcuk | rm_you, :) i have extracted the gstreamer camera data from the barcode stuff and am pushing the data from the live camera onto a liqbase bitmap |
| 22:48.44 | lcuk | that bitmap is being blitted live onto screen. i can nicely fit 25 such bitmaps on a screen |
| 22:48.59 | lcuk | i want to see whether i can replace 25 mini mes with 25 mini yous |
| 22:49.17 | rm_you | ROFL |
| 22:49.20 | rm_you | I will beta :P |
| 22:49.25 | rm_you | have decent up bandwidth |
| 22:49.32 | crashanddie | I'm first :P |
| 22:49.37 | lcuk | i have no idea if it will work |
| 22:49.45 | lcuk | its just for the hell of it |
| 22:50.29 | lcuk | even if we update once every 10 seconds it would be a laugh |
| 22:51.20 | lcuk | gives us another thing to do with our devices :) |
| 22:51.52 | rm_you | should at minimum be able to update 2fps i would think |
| 22:54.31 | lcuk | i once wrote a program to do this (for my old college) which would show a preview of ALL desktops in a classroom - even those out of sight. the teacher could then click to zoom and get vnc type updates. they could send cautionary emails and messages tothe screens and log them out n stuff all with picture goodness |
| 22:54.44 | lcuk | anyway, this is similar but for camera images :) |
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| 22:57.06 | zfigz | this mdictionary is ok...only if it had dictionaries in it |
| 22:57.32 | jott | isn't gstreamer supposed to push the data over the network too? |
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| 22:59.28 | lcuk | jott, dunno, can it? |
| 22:59.36 | crashanddie | yeah |
| 22:59.42 | crashanddie | you can send it to a networked sink |
| 22:59.44 | snowmoon | don't you love beating your head against a wall all day only to find out the bug is on the other end of the tcp/ip connection *gah* |
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| 23:01.37 | jott | brontide: are you refering to layer 8? ;> |
| 23:01.59 | brontide | actually google, what's up with layer 8? |
| 23:02.30 | brontide | ahh... wikipedia to the rescue |
| 23:03.28 | brontide | google's atom standards compliance leaves a *little* to be desired ( as in some things just don't work ) |
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| 23:57.10 | GeneralAntilles | What do I need to do to get gpsd to accept external connections? |
| 23:57.16 | GeneralAntilles | We could really use a gpsd wiki page |
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