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| 01:01.32 | rm_you | bbl |
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| 01:28.29 | zfigz | hey |
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| 01:28.48 | zfigz | does the n180's sound turn off when you close it ? |
| 01:29.30 | zfigz | because idont get soound when its closed |
| 01:29.35 | zfigz | really annoying |
| 01:30.47 | zfigz | anyone? |
| 01:33.14 | rm_you | it may automatically mute |
| 01:33.30 | rm_you | sorry, no insight as to why :/ |
| 01:34.38 | zfigz | thats annoying |
| 01:34.55 | zfigz | what about it ringing in my pocket? |
| 01:37.41 | jott | zfigz: is the volume really muted? |
| 01:37.52 | zfigz | yeah |
| 01:37.57 | zfigz | when its closed |
| 01:38.02 | zfigz | really annoying |
| 01:38.10 | zfigz | when its open it works fine |
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| 01:38.31 | jott | can you ssh into it? |
| 01:39.56 | jott | ... if so look at what " gconftool-2 -g /apps/osso/sound/master_volume " returns |
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| 01:41.12 | jott | rm_you: so you have power again? ;) |
| 01:41.20 | rm_you | no |
| 01:41.23 | rm_you | still at friends house |
| 01:41.57 | rm_you | was going to go see batman with someone but he is an idiot, so instead i just laughed at him and am going to sit and code UPC lookup :P |
| 01:42.15 | zfigz | im out downtown but yeah i need to look into it |
| 01:42.22 | jott | rm_you: :p.. with the cvs database? |
| 01:42.24 | zfigz | new batman is awesome |
| 01:42.38 | rm_you | jott: cvs database? |
| 01:42.53 | rm_you | thought about using the database here: http://www.globalproductlist.com/ |
| 01:42.55 | rm_you | 12mb, local |
| 01:42.58 | rm_you | mysql dump |
| 01:43.01 | rm_you | could convert to sqlite |
| 01:43.07 | rm_you | but meh |
| 01:43.25 | rm_you | would be neat as an option, since you prolly wouldnt have internet at the store :P |
| 01:44.03 | rm_you | http://www.globalproductlist.com/upc.sql.gz |
| 01:44.07 | rm_you | thoughts? |
| 01:44.07 | jott | oh there is also http://www.upcdatabase.com/ .. |
| 01:44.10 | rm_you | right |
| 01:44.13 | rm_you | this is built from that |
| 01:44.19 | jott | ah |
| 01:45.06 | rm_you | so thoughts? |
| 01:45.14 | jott | about what? |
| 01:45.16 | rm_you | should i begin work on parsing from the local database? |
| 01:45.25 | rm_you | or assume a connection and start on internet lookup parsing |
| 01:45.47 | jott | i guess offline mode is better |
| 01:45.50 | rm_you | probably |
| 01:45.54 | rm_you | ok, will start on that |
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| 01:47.16 | terbo | howdy |
| 01:56.13 | jott | ~lart warner bros for releasing dark knight sooooooooooo late in germany |
| 01:56.13 | infobot | teaches warner bros that M$ Access is a database. No, really, a database. A real live multi-user... well, ok, not multi-user, but a database. Yeah, that sounds right. for releasing dark knight sooooooooooo late in germany |
| 01:56.39 | rm_you | gah gotta build my own libsqlite3-0 |
| 01:56.59 | rm_you | >_< |
| 01:57.09 | rm_you | pouts for like 3 seconds |
| 01:57.24 | jott | why? |
| 01:58.23 | rm_you | cause it took all of 3 seconds to build :P |
| 01:58.35 | johnx | rm_you, it's in maemo.org repository |
| 01:58.38 | johnx | with the -dev package |
| 01:59.00 | johnx | rm_you, always check gronmayer.com/it before assuming something doesn't exist :P |
| 01:59.13 | rm_you | err |
| 01:59.18 | rm_you | apt-cache policy says no :p |
| 01:59.41 | jott | hm dark knight made it to #1 of imdb top 250 :O |
| 01:59.41 | rm_you | oh |
| 01:59.41 | lcuk | i use it |
| 01:59.43 | rm_you | i see |
| 01:59.47 | rm_you | it is just the wrong version |
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| 01:59.49 | rm_you | >_< |
| 02:00.12 | rm_you | sqlite3: Depends: libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.4.2) but 3.4.1-1osso3 is to be installed |
| 02:00.12 | rm_you | E: Broken packages |
| 02:00.30 | johnx | special |
| 02:00.48 | johnx | apt-cache policy libsqlite3-0 |
| 02:00.52 | rm_you | yeah |
| 02:00.55 | rm_you | it is too low |
| 02:01.03 | rm_you | gotta build a higher version myself |
| 02:01.25 | rm_you | or build a lower version of sqlite3 |
| 02:01.44 | johnx | what about seeing if there is a matching version for one of those? |
| 02:01.52 | terbo | hmm page up doesnt work .. |
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| 02:03.09 | terbo | anyone have a tomtom? |
| 02:03.18 | rm_you | johnx: possibly |
| 02:03.27 | lcuk | jokes wiv the missus he has a tracytracy |
| 02:03.38 | rm_you | lol |
| 02:03.51 | lcuk | she holds the 810(or paper map) and guides us |
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| 02:12.35 | rm_you | wtf can't build sqlite3 itself >_> confused |
| 02:12.44 | rm_you | it will build the libs but not the main app |
| 02:13.49 | rm_you | whatever sqlite (1) is in there correctly, will use that |
| 02:13.58 | lcuk | nn |
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| 03:06.15 | rm_you|wtf | wtf why is the sqlite3 source only building the libs (libsqlite3-0 and libsqlite3-dev) and not sqlite3 itself?! >_> |
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| 03:11.26 | rm_you|wtf | *sigh* dependency hell every time i try to build something >_> |
| 03:11.28 | rm_you|wtf | whatev |
| 03:11.33 | rm_you|wtf | totally worth it |
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| 03:16.29 | rm_you|wtf | what package is aclocal part of? |
| 03:16.48 | rm_you|wtf | dpkg -S is failing inside scratchbox <_< |
| 03:17.18 | rm_you|wtf | is it automake? |
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| 03:23.05 | GAN800 | lol |
| 03:28.06 | GeneralAntilles | Is this a serious bug report? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3471 |
| 03:28.36 | GeneralAntilles | He's saying, "Move the directory that contains the plugins and the plugins will no longer be installed, this is a bug" |
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| 03:39.25 | rm_you|wtf | lol |
| 03:43.06 | GeneralAntilles | He's got several bad bugs lately. |
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| 03:52.30 | rm_you|wtf | hrm |
| 03:52.59 | rm_you | so i create a table with 3 fields in SQLite |
| 03:53.04 | rm_you | and try to import this file |
| 03:53.12 | rm_you | sqlite> .import items.csv items |
| 03:53.12 | rm_you | items.csv line 23: expected 3 columns of data but found 4 |
| 03:53.24 | rm_you | so i drop the table and recreate it with 4 fields |
| 03:53.28 | rm_you | and get this: |
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| 03:53.37 | rm_you | sqlite> .import items.csv items |
| 03:53.37 | rm_you | items.csv line 23: expected 4 columns of data but found 3 |
| 03:53.39 | rm_you | WTF |
| 03:53.59 | rm_you | the CSV has three columns |
| 03:59.20 | rm_you | fsck this is stupid |
| 03:59.32 | rm_you | thoroughly failing to import a CSV to an SQLite db |
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| 04:03.49 | rm_you | bbl |
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| 04:09.23 | john | looking for help on building mapper under scratchbox |
| 04:09.33 | john | getting "Your intltool is too old.." |
| 04:09.35 | john | ? |
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| 04:25.54 | ol_schoola | hey gang |
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| 04:26.21 | ol_schoola | played about with the tablet all day, thought i figured it 'all' out |
| 04:26.43 | ol_schoola | the light at the end of the tunnel was definately a train |
| 04:28.06 | ol_schoola | finallt rebooted after i'd thought i'd straightened out my repos and ended up with a white screen after the hand grab |
| 04:29.03 | ol_schoola | just thought i'd check here before reflashing, anyone? |
| 04:30.03 | ol_schoola | aiiight, reflash it is then |
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| 04:51.55 | GeneralAntilles | ol_schoola, "straightened out my repos". . . . |
| 04:52.04 | GeneralAntilles | What's to straighten out? :\ |
| 04:52.11 | GeneralAntilles | You enable maemo Extras. |
| 04:52.13 | GeneralAntilles | Done. |
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| 04:57.53 | ol_schoola | ahh, sorry. just saw your msg. yeah, i enables mExtras, and followed a whole lot of other threads and whatnot in the forums |
| 04:58.23 | ol_schoola | i've been away from the IT for a few months. the n95 will do that to ya |
| 04:59.40 | ol_schoola | at one point or another, this thing got all fouled up. but i made a tremendous amount of progress before it bellied up |
| 05:01.58 | ol_schoola | to be hon est, it was running a factory 2007 os, upgraded by sheer force, intimidation and eventual outright torture to 2008, miraculously bumped to -34 and finally crapped out. and it survived a complete submersion in a hot tub, to boot |
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| 05:05.32 | gramulhaozin | wo |
| 05:05.33 | gramulhaozin | :P |
| 05:05.42 | gramulhaozin | that's nice to see so many people here :P |
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| 05:08.54 | ol_schoola | GeneralAntilles: you know anyhtingh about a maemo/extras repo with the diablo/tools directive? |
| 05:09.07 | ol_schoola | <oops> afk for a min.... |
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| 05:29.40 | GNUton | ´morning! |
| 05:30.02 | qwerty12 | *yawn*, good morning |
| 05:30.12 | GNUton | hey qwerty12! :) |
| 05:30.42 | GNUton | qwerty12: are you just got up? |
| 05:30.42 | qwerty12 | hey :) |
| 05:30.50 | qwerty12 | yeah |
| 05:30.53 | budman | how can i make my keyboard more sensitive? |
| 05:31.15 | budman | to act like the instinct |
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| 06:13.10 | qwerty12 | Anyone willing to help a bash noob out? |
| 06:13.19 | Stskeeps | depends on the question :P |
| 06:14.22 | qwerty12 | It's an easy one :) (well, for everyone else :D), running cat /proc/led on my router returns: http://pastebin.com/m11631147 . How do I get echo to send the CR's and the rest of the text? |
| 06:15.06 | ol_schoola | What's to straighten out? :\ |
| 06:15.06 | ol_schoola | You enable maemo Extras. |
| 06:15.06 | ol_schoola | [Done. |
| 06:15.18 | ol_schoola | ducks for cover |
| 06:15.41 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: "send the CR's and the rest of the text"? |
| 06:16.16 | ol_schoola | GA, I'll pick a beef with ya tomorra. 'Til then, good day, sir. |
| 06:16.40 | qwerty12 | Well, I'm not a good explainer >.<, but there are new lines, would it possible for me to echo it all in one line. :/ |
| 06:16.54 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: FOO=`cat /proc/led` ? |
| 06:16.57 | Stskeeps | echo $FOO |
| 06:17.06 | Stskeeps | oh, you want the \n's removed? |
| 06:17.10 | qwerty12 | Ahh, great, thanks |
| 06:17.49 | Stskeeps | FOO=`cat /proc/led | sed "s/\n//g"` prolly then, or maybe / /g if you want a space instead of a newline :P |
| 06:18.07 | GAN800 | lol, 'pick a beef' . . . |
| 06:18.49 | Stskeeps | mm. it's morning and i already feel like having beef |
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| 06:19.20 | GAN800 | I'm always ready for beef. |
| 06:19.44 | qwerty12 | In London, having beef is fun to watch |
| 06:24.33 | qwerty12 | ~lart sed |
| 06:24.33 | infobot | sends a legion of lawyers after sed's head |
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| 06:28.39 | qwerty12 | Seems like my router is fussy over line breaks :/ |
| 06:28.50 | qwerty12 | All I want to do is disable the leds on it >.< |
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| 07:02.17 | bef0rd | hai |
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| 07:13.22 | timelyx | sighs |
| 07:13.30 | timelyx | X-Fade, GeneralAntilles, andre___: ping |
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| 07:18.33 | GAN800 | timelyx, pong. |
| 07:21.32 | timelyx | so, i'm thinking of just migrating the garage products to bugzilla <now> |
| 07:21.37 | timelyx | even if i do it manually |
| 07:21.51 | timelyx | i'm sick of people filing browser-extras bugs in bugzilla:browser |
| 07:22.00 | GAN800 | Ha |
| 07:22.34 | timelyx | i could also just enable browser-extras, but that'd be a /wee/ bit of an abuse :) |
| 07:22.48 | GAN800 | Well, uh, I, personally, don't have a problem with it. |
| 07:23.15 | GAN800 | browser-extras would make a good pilot. |
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| 07:24.07 | timelyx | are you ok w/ everyone seeing the enter_bug page as is, or should we at least blog about it? |
| 07:24.42 | GAN800 | The new bug templates are the only thing that worries me. |
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| 07:25.05 | timelyx | nods |
| 07:25.19 | timelyx | sighs |
| 07:25.19 | GAN800 | I mean, there's nothing terribly wrong with them, but people are easily confused. |
| 07:25.34 | GAN800 | and that's a very visible and significant change. |
| 07:25.37 | timelyx | sighs |
| 07:25.46 | timelyx | qgil attacked my mailbox by triaging bugs.maemo |
| 07:26.05 | user__ | this n810 doesnt work so hot |
| 07:26.11 | GAN800 | Hehe |
| 07:26.22 | user__ | the gps aint all that i should say |
| 07:26.44 | GAN800 | user_, buy a heating element and stick it in the battery bay. |
| 07:27.12 | timelyx | user__: did you forget to configure agps w. diablo? |
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| 07:27.29 | user__ | how long does it take to find a location |
| 07:27.36 | user__ | configure |
| 07:27.38 | user__ | ? |
| 07:27.48 | user__ | i installed diablo |
| 07:27.56 | user__ | but thats about it |
| 07:28.16 | user__ | using maemo mapper |
| 07:28.31 | user__ | but the fix never works |
| 07:28.35 | GAN800 | I think we'd be pretty much good to go if that template were fixed. |
| 07:28.55 | timelyx | GAN800: check out the url from bug 2243 |
| 07:29.30 | timelyx | GAN800: i think the best i can offer is to change the description for Maemo Software |
| 07:29.33 | thor | i thought the gps was suppsosed |
| 07:29.41 | timelyx | "You probably want to file bugs here" |
| 07:29.46 | thor | to work with the n180 |
| 07:30.00 | thor | whats up w that? |
| 07:30.11 | timelyx | what's an n180? |
| 07:30.15 | thor | errrr |
| 07:30.16 | timelyx | is it like an n360? |
| 07:30.18 | GAN800 | timelyx, shouldn't you have local access or something to be able to fix stuff like that? |
| 07:30.22 | thor | n810 |
| 07:30.28 | thor | myyy misssstake |
| 07:30.38 | timelyx | GAN800: well, um, i don't think i do :) |
| 07:30.41 | thor | but ya the gps isnt so hot |
| 07:30.57 | timelyx | Linux maemo-midgard 2.6.16-xenU20060830 #1 SMP Wed Aug 30 11:35:40 EEST 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 07:31.02 | timelyx | is that box bugs.maemo.org ? |
| 07:31.04 | GAN800 | Should I file an enhancement request? :D |
| 07:31.09 | thor | how do i see if the diablo installed properly |
| 07:31.10 | GAN800 | Don't know. |
| 07:31.20 | GAN800 | Doubt it, though. |
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| 07:31.26 | thor | er diablo update that is |
| 07:31.41 | GAN800 | Install agps-ui in Application manager. |
| 07:31.47 | thor | i just th |
| 07:31.49 | thor | right |
| 07:31.53 | thor | .... |
| 07:32.01 | timelyx | actually, i think it is |
| 07:32.37 | timelyx | anyway, i have an account |
| 07:33.45 | timelyx | hrm,... so... i'm actually in sudo'rs afaiu |
| 07:33.51 | timelyx | but i don't know my password |
| 07:35.03 | GAN800 | So, I'm thinking something along the lines of the mockup I put on the wiki, but with h1/h2s with a description for Maemo Software, Nokia, Website with their products listed underneath and Garage at the bottom like it is in the mockup. |
| 07:35.28 | GAN800 | assuming that's workable. |
| 07:36.10 | thor | agps-ui eh? |
| 07:36.21 | GAN800 | That's the one. |
| 07:36.23 | timelyx | theoretically workable |
| 07:36.27 | thor | installing now |
| 07:36.43 | timelyx | but w/o www-data access to the box, i definitely can't do it :) |
| 07:36.44 | thor | maemo mapper doesnt work so well |
| 07:37.02 | timelyx | www-data is limited to ferenc |
| 07:37.12 | GAN800 | I guess the other part of my worry with launching too early is having more than one major interface change in bugzilla. |
| 07:37.36 | timelyx | which is the other? |
| 07:37.45 | timelyx | did i forget to blog some other announcement? |
| 07:37.48 | timelyx | (probably/quite likely) |
| 07:37.53 | rm_you | hrmrm |
| 07:38.04 | GAN800 | So, launching now with the current templates and changing them again in a week or two when we get improved ones in place would be confusing and bad. |
| 07:39.15 | timelyx | ah |
| 07:39.36 | GAN800 | timelyx, re: 2243, no ugly error anymore, but it seems to just be an empty page. :/ |
| 07:40.11 | GAN800 | ~lart MicroB's attention whoring |
| 07:40.11 | infobot | runs at MicroB's attention whoring with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut |
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| 07:42.11 | GAN800 | Anyway, guenther's back in-channel, I told him we need to have a bugzilla meeting. |
| 07:42.41 | GAN800 | I was thinking after the next sprint (22nd) might be good if it doesn't run as long as the last time. |
| 07:44.10 | timelyx | um... 22nd's the latest possible :) |
| 07:44.19 | timelyx | i'm heading for the new world at the end of this week :) |
| 07:44.25 | timelyx | i'll be there for a while |
| 07:45.42 | GAN800 | I'll get with him today about it. |
| 07:46.23 | rm_you | GAN800: anything reported with 0.14-3 so far? all looking good? |
| 07:46.52 | GAN800 | No issues, rm_you. |
| 07:46.55 | rm_you | cool |
| 07:46.56 | rm_you | sweet |
| 07:47.04 | timelyx | anyway, if you want to suggest a bunch of other guys to convert for a demo, i could do that |
| 07:47.16 | zap | How I can tell from a postinst script if the package is being installed for the first time, or upgraded? |
| 07:47.35 | timelyx | zap: iirc there's an argument |
| 07:47.47 | GAN800 | timelyx, advanced-backlight will volunteer. |
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| 07:48.18 | rm_you | YES! we volunteer! |
| 07:48.21 | rm_you | what is it? :P |
| 07:48.28 | rm_you | garage bugzilla components? :P |
| 07:48.39 | GAN800 | Garage tracking on bugzilla. |
| 07:48.54 | timelyx | ok |
| 07:49.42 | rm_you | YES! we volunteer! |
| 07:49.44 | rm_you | :P |
| 07:50.02 | GAN800 | I bet Jaffa'd be up for it with mediautils and mud-builder. |
| 07:50.17 | rm_you | though we're running out of bugs :P |
| 07:50.21 | rm_you | knocks on wood |
| 07:50.23 | GAN800 | Hehe |
| 07:50.38 | GAN800 | Just wait until we had the light sensor. ;) |
| 07:50.47 | GAN800 | s/had/add/ |
| 07:52.09 | timelyx | hrm, http://advanced-backlight.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 07:52.12 | timelyx | not such a great page |
| 07:52.21 | timelyx | do you have something against that page? |
| 07:52.51 | GAN800 | http://adv-backlight.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 07:53.29 | timelyx | ok, browser-extras is called that, do you want to be Advanced Backlight or advanced-backlight ? |
| 07:53.42 | timelyx | i'd rather the former (and someday i'll probably force Browser Extras to get a rename) |
| 07:54.39 | GAN800 | That reminds me, do we want to use the short 'unix' names (adv-backlight, browser-extras) for the products or the full names (Advanced Backlight, Browser Extras)? |
| 07:54.46 | GAN800 | Er, stuck in fkb. |
| 07:55.01 | GAN800 | Well, I'd prefer consistent. |
| 07:55.03 | timelyx | i'm all in favor of full |
| 07:55.12 | timelyx | and i'll rename Browser Extras now ... |
| 07:55.13 | GAN800 | So I guess that'd be adv-backlight. |
| 07:55.21 | GAN800 | lol |
| 07:55.33 | GAN800 | Sounds good, full is much less confusing. |
| 07:55.49 | rm_you | yeah |
| 07:55.54 | rm_you | i wanted a short name >_> |
| 07:56.06 | rm_you | i wonder if i can / should get X-Fade to rename my garage project >_> |
| 07:56.33 | GAN800 | Hehe |
| 07:58.11 | timelyx | btw, i think my notes need an update |
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| 07:58.18 | timelyx | because i had the votes fields wrong |
| 07:58.36 | timelyx | ok, for histerical reasons, hrm |
| 07:58.48 | timelyx | should groups be hyphenated or user friendly? |
| 07:59.35 | GAN800 | I'm generally in favor of user friendly. |
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| 08:02.53 | timelyx | GAN800: do you remember if i disabled mail for the browser-extras qa contacts? |
| 08:03.35 | GAN800 | Erg, dunno. |
| 08:03.40 | timelyx | i'd have told you |
| 08:03.44 | GAN800 | pulls out a laptop. |
| 08:04.07 | GAN800 | Gotta ssh into my box, one sec. |
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| 08:06.29 | timelyx | rm_you: bugzilla id? |
| 08:07.17 | rm_you | ? |
| 08:07.19 | rm_you | ask GA |
| 08:07.35 | GAN800 | What email do you use for bugzilla? |
| 08:07.39 | timelyx | try loading https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi |
| 08:07.58 | timelyx | if things look normal, then good, and we can fix that when someone answers the question |
| 08:08.35 | timelyx | considers creating a preview account |
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| 08:10.19 | timelyx | GAN800: ok, a-b should appear in enter bug |
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| 08:12.46 | timelyx | qwerty12: do you own any garage projects? |
| 08:12.58 | timelyx | i'm starting to offer bugzilla product support for garage owners :) |
| 08:13.14 | qwerty12 | timelyx: I'm registered in one, but I don't own any :) |
| 08:15.09 | timelyx | rm_you: ok, reload enter_bug |
| 08:15.13 | GAN800 | it would figure . . . the box/internet/power is down, can't get to the logs where you've told me. |
| 08:15.26 | rm_you | k.... |
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| 08:16.13 | GAN800 | timelyx, Community Kernels might be another good one. |
| 08:16.24 | timelyx | k |
| 08:16.34 | timelyx | GAN800: i presume you can see a-b? |
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| 08:17.23 | GAN800 | yes. |
| 08:17.29 | timelyx | look ok? |
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| 08:18.10 | GAN800 | Asside from a lame description, it looks great. ;) |
| 08:18.36 | timelyx | yeah um "i'm accepting proposals" |
| 08:18.45 | timelyx | you get what you pay for :) |
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| 08:19.09 | Italodance | where is the GBA Emulator ? |
| 08:19.39 | timelyx | kicks the indt team |
| 08:19.42 | timelyx | no obvious presence in bugs.maemo |
| 08:19.47 | GAN800 | I assume product owners will be able to set their own descriptions? |
| 08:19.56 | rm_you | https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=specific&order=relevance+desc&bug_status=__open__&product=Advanced+Backlight&content= |
| 08:20.09 | GAN800 | I was gonna say Canola, but that's non-free. |
| 08:20.19 | timelyx | at the present time they have to ask someone to fix it |
| 08:20.21 | rm_you | will I be able to add things like target milestones, components, versions? |
| 08:20.23 | timelyx | by filing a bug against me :) |
| 08:20.27 | timelyx | yes |
| 08:20.30 | GAN800 | and they don't seem super gung-ho about maemo.org in general. |
| 08:20.46 | timelyx | rm_you: a roadmap url is appreciated |
| 08:20.57 | timelyx | i'll import all versions+milestones from that for you for free :) |
| 08:21.25 | timelyx | rm_you: fwiw, browser extras has 3 components (the third is "suggestions" because they let people ask them to add other packages) |
| 08:21.36 | timelyx | the 2 you have are essentially "boilerplate" |
| 08:21.41 | rm_you | yeah |
| 08:21.54 | rm_you | timelyx: don't think we have a roadmap ;P lol |
| 08:22.03 | timelyx | yeah well... make one :) |
| 08:22.11 | rm_you | heh k, will be a good exercise |
| 08:22.12 | timelyx | just so long as it lists your previous releases |
| 08:22.25 | timelyx | ideally it should predict the one next release |
| 08:22.36 | rm_you | first time running an open source project ( ... or any real project) |
| 08:22.46 | timelyx | GAN800: does CK have a web site? |
| 08:23.17 | timelyx | needs to figure out if the mxr.maemo.org/garage sync finished |
| 08:23.44 | GAN800 | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/kernels/ |
| 08:23.52 | timelyx | i.e. "no" :) |
| 08:24.13 | GAN800 | and http://www.fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/ |
| 08:24.32 | GAN800 | But, yeah, I guess no Garage page yet. |
| 08:24.50 | GAN800 | might volunteer for that. |
| 08:25.29 | timelyx | oh no |
| 08:25.30 | timelyx | cries |
| 08:25.46 | timelyx | i think i messed up the a-b product |
| 08:25.50 | timelyx | i'm probably going to destroy it now :) |
| 08:26.03 | rm_you | ONO! |
| 08:26.16 | timelyx | you haven't put anything into it yet, right? |
| 08:26.22 | rm_you | just one bug :P |
| 08:26.24 | rm_you | but it is fine |
| 08:26.28 | rm_you | it was a test :P |
| 08:26.32 | rm_you | mostly |
| 08:26.37 | timelyx | gah |
| 08:26.59 | rm_you | well, it was a real bug :P but i can add it again |
| 08:27.29 | timelyx | no..i wouldn't do that |
| 08:29.38 | rm_you | its fine |
| 08:29.57 | timelyx | nah, personal policy, no deleting bugs |
| 08:30.07 | timelyx | i'll just have to figure out what i did(n't) do |
| 08:30.11 | rm_you | lol |
| 08:30.12 | zap | maemo-devel repository is update once in 24 hours? |
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| 08:35.20 | timelyx | GAN800: ck should exist |
| 08:36.20 | Stskeeps | sometimes i wonder about debian dependancies.. it's installing "A description of Finnish morphology written in Malaga" |
| 08:37.30 | GAN800 | It does. |
| 08:37.30 | qwerty12 | timelyx: yep, great, it's there, thanks :0 |
| 08:37.33 | qwerty12 | *:) |
| 08:38.14 | timelyx | qwerty12: err, which is there? |
| 08:38.22 | qwerty12 | community kernels |
| 08:38.24 | aquatix | Stskeeps: :) |
| 08:38.32 | timelyx | um... i don't think i added you to ck. did GAN800? |
| 08:38.39 | aquatix | Stskeeps: i think i had it installed yesterday or something too |
| 08:38.48 | aquatix | should uninstall |
| 08:38.48 | GAN800 | I did nothing. |
| 08:38.54 | timelyx | um, that's *bad* |
| 08:38.55 | crashanddie | "Finish morphology" , |
| 08:38.55 | crashanddie | ? |
| 08:38.58 | qwerty12 | Now I need lardman to come on, dsp-sbc discriminates against East London grime music :P |
| 08:39.08 | crashanddie | Because Fins have a different morphology than us humans? |
| 08:39.17 | timelyx | qwerty12: you can see it in enter_bug ? |
| 08:39.49 | GAN800 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morphology_(linguistics) :P |
| 08:40.22 | qwerty12 | timelyx: no, I can only see it in search |
| 08:40.28 | timelyx | GAN800: i believe i gave you grant users for ck |
| 08:40.31 | timelyx | qwerty12: ah |
| 08:40.40 | timelyx | GAN800: feel free to give qwerty12 membership :) |
| 08:41.12 | aquatix | crashanddie: fins have a weird language ;) |
| 08:41.25 | timelyx | rm_you, qwerty12, ... the products won't be public until someone fixes the page template |
| 08:41.35 | timelyx | or until we decide we have enough content and use that it's too late to wait for it |
| 08:41.45 | timelyx | until then, people will need a special bit to file bugs against you guys |
| 08:41.59 | timelyx | in the interim, if you own a product, please visit edit user prefs, go to mail prefs |
| 08:42.13 | timelyx | and add your general@ and www@ addresses to the watch field at the bottom |
| 08:42.22 | timelyx | this will let you get mail for your components |
| 08:43.53 | GAN800 | qwerty12, you should be a Community Kernel group member, now. |
| 08:44.11 | qwerty12 | Thanks |
| 08:44.18 | oilinki | Finnish language can be a bit complicated. here are all the word-form of noun kauppa (shop) http://www.ling.helsinki.fi/~fkarlsso/genkau2.html |
| 08:45.04 | timelyx | oilinki: i bit complicated? |
| 08:45.14 | timelyx | raises oilinki a few bits |
| 08:45.29 | qwerty12 | The swear words in Finnish any good? |
| 08:45.35 | timelyx | no |
| 08:45.39 | qwerty12 | damn |
| 08:45.44 | timelyx | but the finns are proud of them anyway |
| 08:45.56 | timelyx | qwerty12: did you setup watching? |
| 08:46.02 | qwerty12 | timelyx: not yeat |
| 08:46.08 | qwerty12 | s/yeat/yet/ |
| 08:46.39 | qwerty12 | (I'm not an admin of Community Kernels, just a project member if that makes a difference) |
| 08:47.13 | timelyx | qwerty12: not really, *someone* needs to make sure that new bugs get triaged |
| 08:47.22 | timelyx | if you don't want to be that person, find someone else :) |
| 08:47.29 | oilinki | qwerty12: Hattuvatti and Kaalisoppa are to common swear words |
| 08:47.41 | timelyx | s/to/two/ |
| 08:47.50 | timelyx | kicks infobot |
| 08:48.00 | qwerty12 | timelyx: you got it right first time :P |
| 08:48.00 | timelyx | oilinki =~ s/to/two/ |
| 08:48.16 | timelyx | dumb bot |
| 08:48.19 | qwerty12 | timelyx: ping jott/lardman/trickie :P |
| 08:49.18 | timelyx | qwerty12: um... i'm initial setup and changes. once something's created, you guys should finish up the setup w/o me :) |
| 08:49.33 | timelyx | GAN800 can give membership to those people |
| 08:50.50 | zap | Anybody knows if it's possible to refresh the "Packages" file in maemo-extras more often than once per day? |
| 08:51.36 | zap | the metafiles were updated at 01:01 and my package got into extras-devel at 01:21 so I must wait 24h to be able to install it... |
| 08:52.43 | timelyx | ok, any other projects to import? |
| 08:52.50 | GAN800 | wishes editusers would search real name. |
| 08:52.53 | timelyx | otherwise, i go back to learning python |
| 08:53.32 | timelyx | GAN800: open a random bug, in the cc field, enter: @<space>{first}<space>{last}<space>{nick}<space>{domain} |
| 08:53.32 | GAN800 | timelyx, the others are missing maintainers for the next month or three. |
| 08:53.33 | timelyx | then hit enter |
| 08:53.53 | timelyx | summer vacation? |
| 08:54.18 | GAN800 | That and some non-Finnish vacations, too. |
| 08:54.30 | GAN800 | gnuite is roadtripping. |
| 08:55.48 | zap | sighs and reanimates his private repository |
| 08:58.04 | GAN800 | zap, that sounds wrong. Probably has something to do with the non-updating that was, evidently, 'fixed' a few days ago. |
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| 08:58.53 | oilinki | do we have maemo-mapper developers here? |
| 08:59.01 | qwerty12 | It took me about 1 and 1/2 hours for rootsh to be uploaded and Packages to be updated. Not bad imho. |
| 08:59.29 | GAN800 | oilinki, no. |
| 08:59.45 | oilinki | GAN800: ok. thanks. |
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| 09:04.05 | Blafasel | Wee.. That finish language link is crazy ;) |
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| 09:05.46 | timelyx | Blafasel =~ s/finish/finnish/ |
| 09:06.12 | qwerty12 | s/finnish/Finnish/ |
| 09:06.18 | aquatix | that nokia has a nice finnish |
| 09:06.24 | aquatix | runs |
| 09:06.27 | oilinki | eton_: from Thailand? |
| 09:06.37 | qwerty12 | finnish's off aquatix |
| 09:06.45 | aquatix | :) |
| 09:06.57 | qwerty12 | :P |
| 09:07.17 | qwerty12 | Anyway, the only Finnish things I need to know are Sauna and Nokia :P |
| 09:07.40 | oilinki | qwerty12: and.. the most important. Santa Claus :) |
| 09:08.08 | qwerty12 | Ooh, yes, Lapland looks nice |
| 09:08.12 | Blafasel | Na.. The girls are nice as well. I derive that from the sample set I know (one). ;) |
| 09:08.50 | aquatix | ghehe |
| 09:09.03 | aquatix | sounds like a great sample |
| 09:09.26 | qwerty12 | That sentence sounded totally different |
| 09:09.54 | aquatix | likely doesn't want to know |
| 09:10.10 | qwerty12 | You probably don't ;/ |
| 09:15.16 | qwerty12 | So, will anyone put pipeline's transmission in extras? |
| 09:16.44 | GAN800 | I'd hope pipeline. |
| 09:17.00 | GAN800 | But he seems to be idiotically anti-maemo.org |
| 09:17.21 | GAN800 | lost a lot of respect for him during the itTSS nonsense. |
| 09:18.13 | qwerty12 | It doesn't seem that to me, I just don't know if he knows how to package properly. Like in his packages, his dependencies are always libc6, when there should be more. Of course, he may be doing on device compilication (spelling?). |
| 09:18.49 | aquatix | *compilation |
| 09:18.50 | GAN800 | compilation. |
| 09:19.04 | qwerty12 | Ta |
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| 09:19.50 | qwerty12 | Menu bar could do with hildonising. Maybe this is an good opportunity for me to learn... |
| 09:20.09 | GAN800 | Gogogo! |
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| 09:27.04 | iDS | can i change screen size for gba games on n800? |
| 09:29.37 | rm_you | GAN800: a strange amount of people seem to be anti maemo-org <_< |
| 09:30.02 | qwerty12 | I'm against the speed of maemo.org |
| 09:31.58 | GAN800 | rm_you, yeah, I don't get it. |
| 09:33.01 | Stskeeps | sometimes i think gentoo is popular because apt-get install just isn't very bloody verbose, compared to a compilation process |
| 09:33.44 | Stskeeps | and it's just bloody boring to watch apt-get install :) |
| 09:34.15 | rm_you | true |
| 09:34.30 | rm_you | with gentoo you're like, OH there goes part of KDE!!! I wonder if it is going to break |
| 09:34.44 | rm_you | there's always a level of suspense cause it might just FAIL in the middle |
| 09:34.48 | qwerty12 | Think it is time to get laid? |
| 09:34.51 | qwerty12 | runs like shit |
| 09:35.34 | GAN800 | It's funny because qwerty's 15. :p |
| 09:35.43 | rm_you | :P |
| 09:36.00 | Stskeeps | i thought he was 12 :P |
| 09:36.07 | rm_you | lol |
| 09:38.02 | qwerty12 | :P |
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| 09:43.02 | aquatix | feels old |
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| 09:48.12 | Stskeeps | some very interesting NIT Debian screenshot.. http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/scrF1.jpg http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/scrF2.jpg http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/scrF3.jpg |
| 09:48.48 | qwerty12 | Is that the maemo version of flash? |
| 09:48.50 | Stskeeps | yup |
| 09:49.06 | Stskeeps | no gnash |
| 09:49.13 | qwerty12 | Work any better then in microb? :) |
| 09:49.36 | Stskeeps | didn't test it extensively, but it worked which is quite an effort :P |
| 09:50.00 | Stskeeps | was quite easy porting actually |
| 09:51.00 | bef0rd | adobe recently released flash 10 beta, it includes support for v4l2 video camaras |
| 09:51.45 | qwerty12 | How easy is it to use on an N800? I remember switching to the chroot stuff because I found xfce awkward and gksu wanted me to enter a password which I could not as the gksu window took priority... |
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| 09:53.01 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: as in NIT-debian or the flash thing? |
| 09:53.12 | qwerty12 | NIT-Debian |
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| 09:54.34 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: well we're moving close to an actual release - it'll be a tar.gz with a installer that debootstraps the whole system and adds tablet specific things - and the end user environment is a deb too so if you get tired of it, you can edit it or remove it |
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| 09:55.41 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: my goal is a debian that's more or as usual as maemo :P |
| 09:55.43 | Stskeeps | useful |
| 09:56.39 | qwerty12 | Great :) |
| 09:57.21 | Stskeeps | the current environment is a bastard child of matchbox and xfce4 |
| 09:57.22 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:57.31 | aquatix | Stskeeps: looks interesting! |
| 09:59.48 | Atarii | Stskeeps: does your debian work on the 770? itt says to nudge you on here about it |
| 10:00.51 | Stskeeps | Atarii: well i haven't tried it out, as i don't have a 770 :) |
| 10:01.01 | Stskeeps | Atarii: people are more than welcome to download the SVN and try it out and see what happens |
| 10:01.28 | Atarii | deak |
| 10:01.30 | Atarii | deal* |
| 10:01.33 | GAN800 | doesn't really want to shoot down somebody willing to contrinute articles to the wiki, but that new /usr on Ext2 article is pretty bad. . . . |
| 10:02.58 | qwerty12 | Ouch. I much prefer the existing article. (sorry) |
| 10:03.31 | Stskeeps | Atarii: it requires fanoush's bootmenu atleast, and may need some things from chinook, but i guess we'll find out when it errors :P |
| 10:05.35 | Atarii | I need to install the bootmenu again, rm_you killed my setup recently lol |
| 10:05.42 | rm_you | lol I did? :P |
| 10:05.45 | Atarii | u oh |
| 10:05.47 | Atarii | runs |
| 10:06.38 | Atarii | testing adv-backlight killed my mmc install :p |
| 10:06.51 | qwerty12 | Should have kept a backup :P |
| 10:07.19 | Atarii | there was nothin on there anyways |
| 10:07.38 | Atarii | it was half dead from me trying to compile drivers on it |
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| 10:10.05 | qwerty12 | Atarii: That is what scratchbox is for :P |
| 10:10.06 | qwerty12 | bbl |
| 10:15.41 | GAN800 | sighs. |
| 10:16.40 | GAN800 | if you would be embarrassed handing it to your boss, then the grammar and capitalization aren't up to snuff. |
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| 10:18.39 | GAN800 | The article has stuff like 'power consumption [...] goes way up [...] it will not be able to work once the charge is too low' and he wonders why I want it gone. . . . |
| 10:19.22 | GAN800 | https://wiki.maemo.org/Ext2_file_system_on_flash_card_partition |
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| 10:24.25 | Atarii | GAN800 is that guy not natively english? |
| 10:24.35 | Atarii | "so this setup DOES shorten your autonomy... I did consider stepping back" |
| 10:26.47 | GAN800 | Atarii, doubt it. |
| 10:27.14 | GAN800 | it's a really bad way to extend the rootfs that I wouldn't recommend to anybody |
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| 10:27.27 | GAN800 | Which immediately makes me want to delete it. |
| 10:28.02 | Atarii | i agree it sounds like it is just going to cause problems |
| 10:28.19 | GAN800 | and the fact that he can't find the shift key just exacerbates that |
| 10:28.47 | yerga | GAN800, I have a package for https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3470 if you want it |
| 10:30.00 | GAN800 | Even if it had a red <h1>DO NOT USE THIS METHOD, IT WILL KILL YOUR MOTHER, USE [[Booting from a flash card]] INSTEAD!!!!</h1> I still wouldn't feel good about it. |
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| 10:30.46 | GAN800 | It is open source, isn't it? |
| 10:31.19 | GAN800 | Nah, not too concerned about it personally, just something I'd like to see implemented in the future. |
| 10:31.29 | GAN800 | Badass patch, though. :D |
| 10:31.40 | yerga | yes it's opensource |
| 10:31.50 | yerga | my first C patch ;) |
| 10:35.32 | GAN800 | andre___, X-Fade, timelyx, Jaffa, milhouse, anybody else interested https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:100Days/Sprint3 |
| 10:39.37 | timelyx | https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Garage_bug_tracking_in_Bugzilla |
| 10:39.40 | timelyx | can you fix that? |
| 10:39.49 | timelyx | the link for "bug #630" is bad |
| 10:40.00 | timelyx | the syntax is show_bug.cgi?id=XX#cYY not XXc#YY |
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| 10:44.51 | GAN800 | Fixed |
| 10:49.42 | Stskeeps | you know you're going to hell when you do a libfakehildon.so to trick something into believing it has a tiny bit of hildon.. |
| 10:50.45 | Stskeeps | .. especially when it works |
| 10:53.19 | lcuk_zzz | falls out of bed with a thump |
| 10:54.14 | lcuk | rm_you, did you get sqlite compiling? |
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| 11:08.01 | lcuk | qwerty12, why is the powervr not used? |
| 11:08.35 | qwerty12 | lcuk: Well, it's not enabled is it :/ |
| 11:08.57 | lcuk | cant you compile up a patch or somethin? |
| 11:08.58 | qwerty12 | Wrong words, maybe |
| 11:09.02 | lcuk | i know :D |
| 11:09.13 | qwerty12 | Hah, me? :P |
| 11:09.31 | qwerty12 | pH5 wrote a patch that can power up the chip but that is it. |
| 11:09.35 | lcuk | you seem to manage to find everything else |
| 11:10.21 | lcuk | yer i saw that once on my travels |
| 11:10.21 | GAN800 | Gawd Mutiny32 is such an idiot |
| 11:11.13 | bef0rd | GAN800, You removed easyroot from https://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access however there is a link on the R&D section that points to it |
| 11:11.14 | GAN800 | "I think I'm hip and rebellious because I don't let 'bullshit' slide, but I'm really just an asshole' |
| 11:11.30 | RST38h | ga: Did HE say it? |
| 11:12.02 | GAN800 | Sarcasm quote |
| 11:12.07 | GAN800 | bef |
| 11:12.08 | RST38h | ah |
| 11:12.17 | GAN800 | bef0rd, it is a wiki. ;) |
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| 11:12.28 | RST38h | then he is not anything unusual |
| 11:13.15 | RST38h | lcu,qwerty: btw any luck using omap3 datasheets to access omap2 hw? |
| 11:13.22 | bef0rd | GAN800, orly? :P I'm going to remove 'Use easyroot instead.' then. |
| 11:13.26 | GAN800 | bef0rd, fixed. |
| 11:13.32 | bef0rd | heh ok |
| 11:13.39 | lcuk | GAN800, after seeing what he posted i tend to agree |
| 11:13.48 | qwerty12 | RST38h: I'm not working on this. I wouldn't know where to start :) |
| 11:13.56 | RST38h | oh, ok |
| 11:14.48 | qwerty12 | I know I'm going to get flamed for saying this, but with the LCD Controller being so shit, is it worth having PowerVR? |
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| 11:15.06 | lcuk | qwerty12, is that you asking |
| 11:15.11 | lcuk | or a post from the forum |
| 11:15.17 | GAN800 | qwerty12, anything is worth having over nothing. |
| 11:15.17 | RST38h | qwerty: maybe not, difficult to say |
| 11:15.20 | qwerty12 | No, it's me asking :) |
| 11:15.57 | GAN800 | We've got the hardware, might as well be able to play with if, even if the results turn out to be largely useless. |
| 11:16.00 | lcuk | ok, then ill answer properly: i can see a real use for it. i really do think we can get a VERY fast and stable 640*480 gaming interface out of the powervr |
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| 11:16.12 | RST38h | I would start by researching whether internal omap buffer can be displayed |
| 11:16.36 | qwerty12 | I just can't decide what Nokia were thinking with the lcd controller. It's connected using an Low Speed serial connection, if that was me, I know I'd want an high speed connection... |
| 11:16.54 | lcuk | at the moment the LCD framebuffer is in main memory. ANY hardware can fill that memory and get it rendered onto screen. currently the only hardware filling that memory is the CPU. i want to use the powervr and/or the IVA to fill it |
| 11:17.03 | RST38h | they were catching flaming monkeys flying out of their ass |
| 11:17.29 | lcuk | the LCD controller principle comes from the older OMAP1 chip used in the 770. it does not have any kind of framebuffer internal and NEEDs the external lcd chip |
| 11:18.29 | lcuk | when the 800 came out engineers went the simple way and carried on with the framebuffer because the internal one in the powervr was more difficult to setup and could not natively support 800*480 (the framebuffer inside the omap is confirmed as VGA) |
| 11:18.51 | lcuk | inside the omap2420 was ^ |
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| 11:19.19 | GAN800 | lcuk, I really object to people who want to abuse Nokia engineers over Nokia management decisions. |
| 11:19.45 | lcuk | i agree GAN, im not against the design they have used - i just want documentation and drivers so i can see what we can come up with |
| 11:19.47 | GAN800 | We want to welcome engineers into the community, not drive them away. |
| 11:19.56 | lcuk | 100% |
| 11:20.11 | GAN800 | @Mutiny32's stupidity. |
| 11:20.40 | qwerty12 | I like his cause but I don't like the way he is doing it. |
| 11:21.37 | qwerty12 | Evince sucks, so badly. Must get Linux Adobe Acrobat Reader... |
| 11:21.42 | GAN800 | qwerty12, best (free) Windows sftp client? |
| 11:21.55 | qwerty12 | winscp |
| 11:21.55 | lcuk | Making full use of the hardware inside our machines is paramount to me. i hate seeing things go to waste. We *NEED* the help of those engineers hes threatening to get us documentation. |
| 11:22.19 | m-c | Someone looking for more open specifications, GAN800 ? Maybe you would recommend the Freerunner |
| 11:22.50 | GAN800 | m-c, no, just somebody being an idiot. |
| 11:23.01 | m-c | Oh, sorry, I came in late to the conversation. :-) |
| 11:23.22 | GAN800 | and I wont be recommending the Freerunner to anybody until it can idle for more than half a day. ;) |
| 11:23.41 | GAN800 | Thanks, qwerty12. |
| 11:23.46 | qwerty12 | Np |
| 11:23.57 | qwerty12 | At this moment in time, Freerunner features don't appeal to me. Get me an S60 phone any day. |
| 11:24.37 | timeless | gan800: yeah, winscp |
| 11:24.47 | lcuk | omg facepalm |
| 11:24.54 | lcuk | "Roma wasn't built in a day" |
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| 11:25.06 | m-c | Very happy with the NIT here. Although I think one my units has crummy battery. Need to get it replaced. I bought the NIT as a laptop replacement, and not only has it excelled in that task but it is becoming a cell phone and desktop computer replacement, too. |
| 11:25.14 | lcuk | Roma is a little italian cafe just down the road from where I work. its just been rebuilt and that was a little joke |
| 11:25.37 | m-c | good joke |
| 11:25.40 | GNUton | W Italy! |
| 11:27.41 | GAN800 | gets out his Extra-Sharp maemo.org Team Poking Stick. |
| 11:27.50 | lcuk | goes pussy hunting |
| 11:27.51 | qwerty12 | KILL |
| 11:27.53 | GAN800 | pokes andre___ |
| 11:27.55 | qwerty12 | lcuk: aww |
| 11:28.09 | GAN800 | lcuk'a such a player. |
| 11:28.16 | lcuk | http://www.oldhamcats.co.uk/news.htm |
| 11:28.17 | GAN800 | s/'a/'s/ |
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| 11:30.04 | Atarii | what is the point in a progress bar which doesn't show progress, instead just wizzes left to right |
| 11:30.44 | GAN800 | Atarii, to indicate that something's happening which may take an unkowable amount of time? |
| 11:30.58 | GAN800 | s/unkow/unknow/ |
| 11:31.11 | GAN800 | Like establishing a connection to a server. |
| 11:31.24 | Atarii | hmm ok point taken |
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| 11:35.11 | aquatix | sometimes you it first wizzing left to right and back, then change to a proper progress bar |
| 11:35.22 | aquatix | [like with the application manager] |
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| 11:50.21 | GAN800 | ugh, bug #3473 |
| 11:51.01 | RST38h | aquatix: there is a reason why it happens in app manager |
| 11:51.35 | RST38h | it shows progress separately for each repo but does not show which one |
| 11:53.35 | wiza | hmm, something's not right, n810 battery goes to 0 in a day while it's idle |
| 11:53.51 | RST38h | wiza: modest. |
| 11:54.06 | wiza | it hasn't done it before |
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| 11:54.41 | RST38h | wiza: check process list every now and then |
| 11:55.11 | RST38h | most likely modest, but could be metacrawler or some other critter |
| 11:55.38 | wiza | I installed a2dp stuff |
| 11:57.08 | RST38h | are you using it though? |
| 11:57.36 | m-c | wiza That is the same problem I have with one of my batteries |
| 11:57.56 | m-c | wiza And I have another one that will last well over a week in idle |
| 11:58.13 | wiza | well, if it's a battery problem that's easy, I can get that changed |
| 11:58.22 | wiza | since this is only couple of months old |
| 11:58.45 | m-c | Hmm - As an experiment this week, I am switching the batteries between the units. |
| 11:59.22 | RST38h | I would suspect the battery last |
| 11:59.26 | m-c | A day and a half of use, and the "good" battery still says full in the "bad" unit, so I think it is the battery |
| 11:59.40 | m-c | What is a2dp ? |
| 12:00.03 | qwerty12_N800 | meh, maemo's battery status applet is dodgy at best |
| 12:00.11 | wiza | m-c: stereo audio to bluetooth headset |
| 12:00.19 | m-c | Oh |
| 12:00.37 | GAN800 | ~wikipedia a2dp |
| 12:00.53 | m-c | Well, someone here told me that putting the NIT into offline mode helps save the battery. Might check into that, too |
| 12:01.08 | Italodance | guys linux deb files like _i386.deb can work on IT? |
| 12:01.20 | Italodance | possible to install and run? |
| 12:01.35 | qwerty12_N800 | no |
| 12:01.36 | GAN800 | Italodance, like we've told you a thousand times already, no. |
| 12:02.39 | Italodance | GAN800 but possible to install or totally install is not too |
| 12:03.38 | RST38h | not possible to install |
| 12:03.45 | Italodance | and can it harm my device? |
| 12:03.47 | RST38h | arch mismatch |
| 12:03.50 | RST38h | no |
| 12:04.01 | Italodance | okay |
| 12:05.51 | RST38h | mutiny32 is cool |
| 12:06.01 | RST38h | faking ignorance now |
| 12:06.48 | GAN800 | zap, I see bash2, was that what you added this morning? |
| 12:07.06 | zap | yes |
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| 12:07.31 | GAN800 | Well, it's less than 24 hours, anyway. ;) |
| 12:07.44 | qwerty12_N800 | zap, for the best mc experience, should i install terminfo + bash2? |
| 12:07.57 | zap | qwerty12_N800: absolutely |
| 12:08.06 | zap | especially if you're using ssh |
| 12:08.15 | qwerty12_N800 | ta, grabbing now :) |
| 12:08.56 | zap | GAN800: its not the package I was talking about, I was talking about mc in maemo-extras |
| 12:09.00 | GAN800 | oh, zap, the reason you need rootsh's stuff is because a bunch of scripts depend on sudo gainroot. |
| 12:09.02 | zap | err.. in extras-devel |
| 12:09.21 | zap | I don't touch sudo gainroot |
| 12:09.28 | zap | it's absolutely separate from sudser |
| 12:09.51 | GAN800 | and most all of the howtos use that method. |
| 12:10.13 | GAN800 | Right, you asked why you'd need rootsh if you had sudser on itT, though. |
| 12:10.22 | GAN800 | That's why. |
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| 12:10.38 | zap | no, I asked what could be merged between sudser and rootsh |
| 12:15.27 | GAN800 | They each have distinct features sets. Add the sudoers modification to rootsh. |
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| 12:16.23 | qwerty12_N800 | personally has both installed |
| 12:16.43 | GAN800 | I'd like to avoid unnecessary user confusion. |
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| 12:44.23 | lcuk | facepalm |
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| 12:50.53 | fnordianslip | is noexecstack a bad gcc option on arm? i have a package that builds for x86 in scratchbox, but not for arm, and it seems that the arm compiler barfs on that option. it builds ok on arm without it. |
| 12:53.53 | darken_cz | quit |
| 12:53.56 | darken_cz | sorr |
| 12:57.06 | lcuk | fnordianslip, what does the option do? |
| 12:58.59 | fnordianslip | i dunno. if was failing the "does gcc work" test in configure. seems that noexec stack is in the AFLAGS and the LDFLAGS, and that dropping it from the LDFAGS allows the build to proceed. I'm not sure what the ramifications are. |
| 12:59.35 | fnordianslip | i mean it, not if |
| 13:00.38 | Stskeeps | fnordianslip: i don't think arm has exec stack protection |
| 13:01.08 | fnordianslip | er. pk. |
| 13:01.13 | fnordianslip | ok, even. damned fingers |
| 13:01.22 | lcuk | We can either patch each source file written in assembler and send the fixes upstream, or we can be lazy and simply force the package build system to assemble the source files with the GNU as option --noexecstack (but this is highly discouraged). |
| 13:01.26 | lcuk | http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/hardened/gnu-stack.xml |
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| 13:02.23 | lcuk | its fully supported in gcc 4.1, but im betting you are still using the older 3.4 |
| 13:02.38 | fnordianslip | er. ok. hang on |
| 13:03.12 | lcuk | or rather, that page says its fully supported |
| 13:03.20 | fnordianslip | yep, 3.4. default for diable scratchbox? |
| 13:03.27 | qwerty12_N800 | unless you have cs2008 toolchain, by default sbox uses 3. gcc 4 is good, i had to use it for aircrack |
| 13:04.12 | fnordianslip | well, i'm on the tools for diablo. how come it didn't install gcc 4 ? |
| 13:04.13 | lcuk | fnordianslip, are you just buildign for your private use, or are you going to take over maintaining this package for maemo? |
| 13:05.27 | fnordianslip | not sure. perhaps the latter |
| 13:05.59 | fnordianslip | i'm wading through a bunch of ham radio stuff right now |
| 13:06.26 | Stskeeps | hm, wasn't there a swf player or something for maemo? does it use gecko and use libflashplugin that way? |
| 13:06.32 | lcuk | just take the flag out of the make process for now, deal with it again in the future |
| 13:07.02 | fnordianslip | works for me, well it builds. will find out if it works later ;-) |
| 13:07.37 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, the getting started application? |
| 13:07.37 | lcuk | exactly, not worth learning a whole new set of things which noone else bothers about on this device (since the feature doesnt seem to work on the toolchain we use) |
| 13:08.31 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: that's prolly closed source isn't it? |
| 13:08.40 | qwerty12_N800 | yeah :( |
| 13:09.14 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i just have the perverted idea to make a flash UI thingie |
| 13:09.20 | lcuk | is there an oss standaline flash player anywhere? |
| 13:09.28 | qwerty12_N800 | How do i set a program suid? |
| 13:09.41 | Stskeeps | there's prolly gnash, but since i got flash working under Debian it could be -neat- to use it ;) |
| 13:09.44 | lcuk | Stskeeps, :) you arent the only one. |
| 13:09.45 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, gnash (not available for maemo) |
| 13:09.59 | lcuk | why not... ? |
| 13:10.18 | lcuk | does it depend on a toolkit not avail?> |
| 13:10.57 | qwerty12_N800 | ~lart the north. can't believe i'm going oldham >.< |
| 13:10.57 | infobot | flings poo at the north. can't believe i'm going oldham >.< |
| 13:12.10 | lcuk | nothin wrong with oldham. ok maybe theres plenty wrong with oldham |
| 13:12.24 | lcuk | what you comin to my hometown for? |
| 13:12.47 | qwerty12_N800 | got to go to a wedding |
| 13:13.05 | lcuk | which end of town is it in |
| 13:13.15 | qwerty12_N800 | no idea :/ |
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| 13:13.42 | lcuk | heh, i could tell you if you need to electrify your car or not :P |
| 13:14.09 | qwerty12_N800 | :D |
| 13:14.44 | lcuk | launches a coin high in the air |
| 13:14.56 | lcuk | heads i code, tails i read a book |
| 13:15.18 | lcuk | huzzzah! im codin for the afternoon |
| 13:15.20 | EvilGuru | Hi, I have the problem of pdflush and jffs2_gcd_mtd4 taking up a large amount of CPU time. My root file system has 100MiB free and I have disabled the weather/RSS desktop applets. Are there any other suggestions? |
| 13:15.22 | lcuk | back later |
| 13:15.23 | qwerty12_N800 | bets lcuk cheats |
| 13:15.41 | lcuk | didnt actually, i had to chase it around cos it rolled |
| 13:16.26 | lcuk | EvilGuru, is pdflush installed by default and do you use it? |
| 13:16.31 | qwerty12_N800 | let it come to it's proper home in the south: the bank of england :p |
| 13:17.00 | EvilGuru | lcuk: I do not believe I have a choice, AFAIK it is a system task |
| 13:17.17 | lcuk | im so gonna watch the motorway sliproad and if i see some non conformist hacker bod sitting in the back of the car playing on an n8x0 im gonna egg it |
| 13:17.18 | qwerty12_N800 | ~lart gtk for whining about setuid |
| 13:17.18 | infobot | takes out a cattle prod and gives gtk a good jolt for whining about setuid |
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| 13:17.52 | lcuk | welcome to manchester :P |
| 13:18.08 | qwerty12_N800 | yawns |
| 13:18.09 | qwerty12_N800 | :p |
| 13:18.25 | lcuk | when are you comin this way then? |
| 13:18.58 | lcuk | just so, like i dont have to setout a deck chair for weeks on end |
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| 13:19.07 | qwerty12_N800 | i'm setting off in about an hour and it takes a few hours to get there |
| 13:19.11 | shackan | did anyone install fring on the n800? it doesn't start |
| 13:19.34 | lcuk | qwerty12_N800, bit of a late wedding isnt it? |
| 13:19.54 | lcuk | or are you the bride being fashionably late :P |
| 13:20.01 | qwerty12_N800 | yeah :/ |
| 13:20.19 | qwerty12_N800 | maybe in manchester things work like that... :p |
| 13:20.46 | fnordianslip | i'm wondering if i should remove noexecstack from the AFLAGS aswell as the LDFLAGS, even though the package builds ok with it? |
| 13:21.11 | lcuk | fnordianslip, take it out, put a comment that it doesnt work on maemo and have done |
| 13:21.17 | lcuk | maemo/gcc3.4 |
| 13:21.18 | fnordianslip | roget that |
| 13:21.25 | fnordianslip | bugger. roger even. |
| 13:21.38 | lcuk | have you asked roger if he wants to be buggered? |
| 13:21.40 | fnordianslip | damned macbook pro keyboard |
| 13:22.16 | fnordianslip | he always wants it. there's a guy at work called Roger Brown. he was unimpressed when I told him that his name was an anal sex joke. |
| 13:22.19 | yerga | hey guys, have you problems entering in bugs.maemo.org? |
| 13:23.17 | lcuk | fnordianslip, i bet he was. just hope he never becomes your boss |
| 13:23.27 | lcuk | maemo has bugs? |
| 13:23.57 | yerga | lcuk, only one or two ;) |
| 13:24.20 | summatusmentis | qwerty12_N800, lcuk: are there a lot of things to do in the UK that would appeal to all age groups? |
| 13:24.34 | qwerty12_N800 | fnordianslip, meh, roger brown is nothing. i'm a perv by name... |
| 13:24.42 | summatusmentis | if this is OT, we could go off the channel too |
| 13:26.23 | fnordianslip | qwerty12_N800: you name seems kinda global |
| 13:27.16 | fnordianslip | is it entirely of one origin or a bit multinational? |
| 13:28.24 | fnordianslip | not that it matters, but i did wonder when i saw it. |
| 13:30.54 | lcuk | summatusmentis, what do you mean? as in outside activities - themeparks fairs playgrounds events ? |
| 13:31.13 | fnordianslip | hmm. i'm hoping i haven't inadvertently made myself look like a rascist or something. not intended. |
| 13:32.27 | lcuk | no, why would you think that |
| 13:33.18 | lcuk | needs hitting with a cluestick, cos i dont see where you think you were offensive |
| 13:33.24 | fnordianslip | i felt i was perhaps digging myself a hole, and the channel went oddly quiet for a bit |
| 13:33.43 | lcuk | it does that for a multitude of reasons :) dont beat yourself up about it |
| 13:33.55 | fnordianslip | bothered? |
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| 13:36.21 | lcuk | really should pay attention to names |
| 13:36.48 | lcuk | fnordianslip, nope, not personally bothered at all - your cow orker might take offense though |
| 13:37.44 | fnordianslip | oh. eventually misunderstood. i was doing the " am i bothered?" gag. |
| 13:38.16 | lcuk | nahhh, you have to have a london accent to do that, when qwerty12_N800 tries it it works cos hes a chav |
| 13:38.40 | fnordianslip | leave my cow orker out of this. |
| 13:40.36 | lcuk | qwerty12_N800, is it tough getting andlinux and scratchbox to work nicely on the pc? |
| 13:44.55 | liri | I've just seen the irreco application, that one is simply a must have :) |
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| 13:54.12 | summatusmentis | lcuk: d'you mind if I pm you? |
| 13:54.32 | lcuk | not at all :) |
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| 14:01.38 | Atarii | /scratchbox/compilers/bin/host-gcc: Too many open files |
| 14:01.42 | Atarii | :s how do i fix that? |
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| 14:03.59 | jott | Atarii: increase the number of file-max or close some other apps? |
| 14:04.43 | Atarii | how do you increase the file-max? |
| 14:05.21 | jott | either sysctl -w fs.filemax=NNNNNN or cat NNN > /proc/sys/fs/file-max |
| 14:05.27 | jott | might check to what it is set now ;) |
| 14:05.45 | Atarii | thanks :) |
| 14:05.45 | jott | erm fs.file-max |
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| 14:07.11 | jott | Atarii: cat /proc/sys/fs/file-nr should tell you current and max value |
| 14:07.48 | Atarii | right: 2048 0 50096 |
| 14:07.56 | jott | mhh |
| 14:08.01 | jott | so this is not the problem :P |
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| 14:10.39 | crashanddie | [Off Topic] "Some U.S. motorists sick of getting clobbered at the pump seem willing to do just about anything for free fuel, from giving up the right to name their children to stealing from day-care centers to donating blood." |
| 14:11.48 | lcuk | "my car runs on O- blood, I get 300 miles to the gallon." - dracule, 1847 at a vampire conference. |
| 14:11.54 | lcuk | a |
| 14:12.52 | jott | anyone tried a recent owb (this webkit "fork") yet? |
| 14:13.29 | lcuk | not yet it needs building from source doesnt it |
| 14:13.40 | jott | yep that's why i am asking ;) |
| 14:14.02 | lcuk | give it a try jott |
| 14:14.15 | lcuk | hows qt coming by the way |
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| 14:14.55 | jott | lcuk: looks quite nicely |
| 14:15.01 | lcuk | excellent |
| 14:15.15 | jott | still waiting for a reply from tt legal to make some bigger commits :/ |
| 14:15.24 | lcuk | tt? |
| 14:15.30 | jott | trolltech |
| 14:15.44 | jott | or "Qt Software" who knows :P |
| 14:15.51 | lcuk | ahhh yes, are you doing this under strict gpl, or are you happy with the part commercial aspect |
| 14:16.14 | jott | it's fine for me. |
| 14:16.18 | GAN800 | now he's resorting to bugzilla spam. |
| 14:16.23 | GAN800 | What an idiot. |
| 14:16.34 | lcuk | jott :) why didnt you tell me that when i was talking along these lines with liqbase :P |
| 14:16.50 | jott | lcuk: what? |
| 14:17.04 | lcuk | that part commercial is ok |
| 14:17.14 | aquatix | crashanddie: US motorists should drive less or buy a smaller car |
| 14:17.29 | aquatix | fuel here in europe is a lot more expensive even |
| 14:17.56 | jott | lcuk: it's your ip and as long as you hold the full ip, you may choose what ever license is feasible ... |
| 14:18.01 | lcuk | sometimes no way to get by without a car, and since everyone has big cars a tiny one stands no chance. thankfully the price increases and money troubles makes smaller cars more viable |
| 14:18.10 | ShadowJK | "stands no chance"? |
| 14:18.49 | lcuk | you are right jott, anyway, keep us informed and i would really like to see a nice clean easy route to qt on the device |
| 14:18.56 | crashanddie | ShadowJK, it's commonly accepted Europe motorists drive a bit better than US ones :P |
| 14:19.11 | crashanddie | ShadowJK, or rather, that the exam is quite harder |
| 14:19.26 | lcuk | crashanddie, ahhh, but are european WOMEN drivers any better than american women drivers? |
| 14:19.34 | ShadowJK | I've heard from people who visited france and benelux, that the drivers are batshit insane |
| 14:19.39 | jaska | takes a few months to get a license here.. and then you have a learning period of 2 years |
| 14:19.54 | crashanddie | jaska, US ? |
| 14:19.58 | jaska | finland |
| 14:20.13 | crashanddie | jaska, what age ? |
| 14:20.18 | crashanddie | 18 I guess ? |
| 14:20.19 | Blafasel | Yep, 2 years "probation" time |
| 14:20.23 | jaska | 18 |
| 14:20.30 | jaska | i didnt bother till 20 or so tho :) |
| 14:20.33 | crashanddie | it's up to 3 years probation here in France |
| 14:20.41 | ShadowJK | finland has the advantage that winter tames drivers... well, had, winter isn't winter anymore |
| 14:20.55 | crashanddie | See, I don't get how anyone could give a 16yo a full blown car |
| 14:20.57 | GAN800 | facepalm https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3473 |
| 14:21.17 | fnordianslip | so they buy fuel? |
| 14:21.26 | jaska | yeah i often laugh when i see people in warm countries fail horribly at driving on snow/ice |
| 14:22.30 | Blafasel | GAN800: Let me guess: The guy that is talking class a stuff in the forum as well? |
| 14:22.53 | GAN800 | Yes |
| 14:23.06 | wnd | and yet, when the first snow falls, lots of cars are wrecked. as newspapers put it, drivers are caught by surprise. to me it isn't much of a surprise that winter comes once a year... |
| 14:23.11 | aquatix | GAN800: ``othe Nokia Symbian platforms fully |
| 14:23.13 | aquatix | support the same chipset, so the Maemo implementation should have it as well'' |
| 14:23.20 | aquatix | </stupid> |
| 14:23.24 | lcuk | wnd, its the same after a dry spell and you get rain |
| 14:23.31 | aquatix | wnd: :) |
| 14:24.03 | lcuk | the worst one was what i saw on slashdot - some car manufacturer is planning on putting a HUD display showing the edge of the road so old drivers get help whilst driving in fog etc |
| 14:24.13 | ShadowJK | I don't think I regress from winter conditions enough to ever even notice rain |
| 14:24.15 | GAN800 | I feel kind of sorry for the people that are going to have to talk to him at OSiM. |
| 14:24.17 | lcuk | just drive at a safe speed in the conditions you are in |
| 14:24.38 | crashanddie | lcuk, hey, that could help you drive again ! |
| 14:24.38 | ShadowJK | GAN800, hope alcohol is available |
| 14:24.39 | GAN800 | Worst? That was awesome! |
| 14:24.45 | crashanddie | lcuk, with HUD and all that ! |
| 14:24.48 | crashanddie | :D |
| 14:24.54 | lcuk | crashanddie, it would have to be scrollable |
| 14:25.02 | GAN800 | airvraft have HUDs like that, so should cars. |
| 14:25.08 | lcuk | i want a real HUD on my glasses |
| 14:25.17 | Blafasel | I hope I didn't feed the troll on the board.. |
| 14:25.21 | lcuk | anything else would be wrong cos moving head to the side would move the image |
| 14:25.35 | crashanddie | lcuk, I guess you'd just use a pencil to try to pan it around, and then start muttering about the lack of openness in the car mobile computing industry |
| 14:25.38 | lcuk | which did you reply to Blafasel |
| 14:25.55 | ShadowJK | The issue with adding technological help to drivers is that drivers will drive faster, and so they're back at being as incompetent/competent as in the beginning, except they now have more kinetic energy than before... |
| 14:25.58 | aquatix | if old people can't see well anymore, they should simply be disallowed to run a car |
| 14:25.58 | Blafasel | lcuk: The PowerVR guy |
| 14:26.10 | crashanddie | aquatix, agreed |
| 14:26.24 | lcuk | not at all, id spend a few months hacking it about and getting it to refresh properly before going to the manufacturer telling them that there IS a way to do it properly and if they opened themselves up a bit we might be able to use it |
| 14:26.47 | lcuk | <Blafasel> lcuk: The PowerVR guy <<<<<<< yup, thats me :) |
| 14:26.51 | aquatix | i already see too many dangerous situations in which some elderly couple or whatever is driving way slow on a road |
| 14:26.51 | ShadowJK | People already hack on the chips in their cars today |
| 14:27.00 | ShadowJK | I believe hacking the engine control chip is particulary popular :-) |
| 14:27.01 | aquatix | or just barely miss pedestrians or people on bikes |
| 14:27.08 | Blafasel | lcuk: No, the "sue for PowerVR guy". Still you? |
| 14:27.10 | GAN800 | Ahaha, 'Now I feel emotionally damaged.' |
| 14:27.30 | crashanddie | A few days ago, I got cut off from a roundabout, I was in it, signal on and everything, lights on, hard to miss... Some old frog just didn't even look at me, and engaged into the roundabout... Had to break as hell... When I hit the horn like mad, the guy was pissed, and gave me the finger... |
| 14:27.37 | Blafasel | GAN800: Mine is the one before that (DarKlajid), but still I gues answering just makes the discussion longer |
| 14:27.44 | lcuk | aquatix, i see plenty of (young/old/male/female) people HIT pedestrians or people on bikes, and they have perfect vision |
| 14:27.55 | aquatix | lcuk: true, true :( |
| 14:28.10 | aquatix | i was not singling out elderly people |
| 14:28.22 | crashanddie | But they are a risk |
| 14:28.27 | lcuk | sure you were: you find GILFs hot :P |
| 14:28.28 | ShadowJK | crashanddie, so was he slowing down or not when he was approaching the roundabout? :-) |
| 14:28.33 | aquatix | most of the dangerous acts i see in traffic are from people aged 20-50 |
| 14:28.57 | crashanddie | ShadowJK, yeah, he slowed down, and maybe when I was at 5m from him, just started going again |
| 14:29.00 | lcuk | most dangerous fast driving is <30. most dangerous cautious drivers are >60 |
| 14:29.04 | lbt | aquatix: most of the dangerous acts I see are from people in vehicles... |
| 14:29.08 | AStorm | well, old people usually cause danger by driving too slowly |
| 14:29.16 | crashanddie | I'm thinking *everyone* should have a test every 3/5 years, short test, 10 minutes or so, but just to see if you're still able to drive correctly |
| 14:29.33 | aquatix | crashanddie: my gf was almost hit by a lady [30, 40yr old] that didn't even looked around while entering the roundabout; gf yelled, lady still didn't react |
| 14:29.35 | AStorm | crashanddie: good idea |
| 14:29.37 | aquatix | just drove on |
| 14:29.54 | AStorm | aquatix: either stupid or ignorant |
| 14:30.00 | AStorm | that's why you have a horn |
| 14:30.01 | Blafasel | crashanddie: Agreed. Something like that is mandatory here for trucks already, I'd like to see it for cards as well. |
| 14:30.15 | aquatix | AStorm: not on a bicycle |
| 14:30.19 | lcuk | i think we should be able to "Digg up/down" drivers on the road. see someone cut you up - just click on their license plate. when a person gets so many downmods they get pulled in for a retest |
| 14:30.22 | ShadowJK | It's amazing how some people think that every other driver is incompetent, yet the same people themselves /drive/ like everyone else was competent drivers :-) |
| 14:30.34 | AStorm | aquatix: ah, yeah, people tend to ignore cyclists |
| 14:30.36 | crashanddie | lcuk, hate-crime would be easy |
| 14:30.37 | Atarii | lol that's awesome lcdd |
| 14:30.39 | Atarii | lcuk* |
| 14:30.39 | AStorm | it should be done in a test |
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| 14:30.48 | AStorm | I mean, specific bicycle questions |
| 14:30.54 | AStorm | (for drivers) |
| 14:31.00 | aquatix | ShadowJK: so true :( |
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| 14:31.07 | lbt | make everyone ride a motorcycle for a year - the survivors are allowed cars... |
| 14:31.13 | aquatix | is a good driver though |
| 14:31.14 | lcuk | crashanddie, thats fine - modding people down randomly causes the modder themselves to be metamodded (sounds more like slash) |
| 14:31.25 | AStorm | lbt: no |
| 14:31.38 | ShadowJK | I have this bad habbit of rarely using the brake, but I should atleast touch it, especially when there are cars behind me, so that they get alerted that I'm slowing down. On the other hand, maybe they shouldn't drive so close |
| 14:31.38 | lbt | AStorm: yes |
| 14:31.42 | lcuk | lbt, have you seen the startings of the barcode project. i keep thinking how cool it would be to integrate into your shopper to allow automatically ticking off required items |
| 14:31.50 | AStorm | getting my mom onto a motorcycle would be hard enough ;P |
| 14:32.00 | AStorm | lcuk: :D |
| 14:32.06 | AStorm | but you'd need a db of items |
| 14:32.08 | lbt | I just bought a GPS so I can get directions to the correct aisle... |
| 14:32.14 | crashanddie | ShadowJK, I make a point at having cars drive far away from me... |
| 14:32.24 | AStorm | lbt: which proggy? maemo mapper? |
| 14:32.39 | lbt | no idea yet - the GPS is still in China... |
| 14:32.41 | aquatix | crashanddie: cars tend to show up close to my front bumper though |
| 14:32.45 | AStorm | lbt: pfff |
| 14:32.47 | ShadowJK | gps doesn't have the precision for aisle to aisle navigation, especially not indoors... |
| 14:32.50 | lbt | :( |
| 14:32.57 | AStorm | ShadowJK: it does, if you're moving |
| 14:32.57 | aquatix | crashanddie: especially those darn tourists |
| 14:33.02 | lbt | ShadowJK: that's half the fun :) |
| 14:33.04 | AStorm | in place, not |
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| 14:33.25 | lcuk | lbt, once you get shopping and logging barcodes though you can follow your trace through the market: for instance you could stay in the wine isle for about 45 minutes |
| 14:33.32 | lbt | It's a '51' GPS - much better - said so on the tin... |
| 14:33.38 | lbt | yup |
| 14:33.46 | crashanddie | ShadowJK, one nice technique, is (in full daylight) to just put your lights on very fast, and accelerate. Most of the time, the change of movement in your car, and the lights popping on, will be translated in their brain as "BRAKE !" |
| 14:34.06 | ShadowJK | It's illegal to not have lights on. |
| 14:34.10 | lbt | I'm not sure how the barcode thing will work when shopping... I was thinking about it |
| 14:34.23 | crashanddie | shackan, oh, well... You need something else than :P |
| 14:34.25 | AStorm | exactly |
| 14:34.30 | aquatix | ShadowJK: i wish it was here too |
| 14:34.32 | crashanddie | err, ShadowJK ^ |
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| 14:34.37 | lcuk | once you start to gather barcodes in a mini database/sml file you can start to automatically add items with the full UPN number |
| 14:34.38 | shackan | grrr |
| 14:34.41 | aquatix | ShadowJK: by day i mean |
| 14:34.41 | lcuk | as key |
| 14:34.43 | lbt | We have a barcode reader here that I got from ebay |
| 14:34.45 | crashanddie | ShadowJK, where do you live ? |
| 14:34.46 | AStorm | lcuk: what abt sqlite? :) |
| 14:34.49 | ShadowJK | finland |
| 14:34.51 | lbt | we use it read ISBN numbers |
| 14:34.52 | crashanddie | aquatix, depends where |
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| 14:35.03 | AStorm | lbt: trick is n810 is more portable |
| 14:35.07 | GAN800 | illegal in Canada |
| 14:35.12 | lbt | yes - that's the point |
| 14:35.17 | ShadowJK | on my corolla the lights come on by themselves once the engine is running and the alternator is supplying power |
| 14:35.18 | aquatix | crashanddie: the netherlands; we had some pretty bad weather lately in which still a lot of people drove with their lights off |
| 14:35.19 | zfigz | man...why is the n810 gps so bad at getting a fix? |
| 14:35.22 | aquatix | wheren't all that visible |
| 14:35.24 | lbt | no need to drag things to the PC to scan them :) |
| 14:35.29 | AStorm | ShadowJK: good thing :) |
| 14:35.47 | crashanddie | aquatix & ShadowJK: it's stupid in some countries... It really is. Lights during daytime should be reserved to bikers, as it allows motorists to spot them easily |
| 14:35.48 | lbt | zfigz: it's a tiny, cheap unit. |
| 14:35.51 | GAN800 | Some people really hate drl. |
| 14:35.54 | aquatix | ShadowJK: i just turn on the lights myself ;) |
| 14:36.02 | lbt | zfigz: I hear that Diablo may make it better |
| 14:36.10 | aquatix | crashanddie: that's a good point i guess |
| 14:36.17 | lcuk | AStorm, sqlite is great |
| 14:36.19 | zfigz | lbt, i guess so... |
| 14:36.22 | jott | lbt: lcuk there is already a database with about 1mio upc/ean codes |
| 14:36.22 | aquatix | crashanddie: but when it's darkish and it rains, you should turn on your lights |
| 14:36.24 | lbt | zfigz: I have an N800 so no clue :) |
| 14:36.29 | aquatix | crashanddie: and still people didn't do that |
| 14:36.30 | ShadowJK | crashanddie, the most annoying thing is in darkness when you're meeting someone with a light out, you can't tell if it's a bike or what :-) |
| 14:36.46 | zfigz | :-P |
| 14:36.51 | AStorm | lcuk: btw, I want to know how to make my n810 say something about GPS navigation ;P |
| 14:36.54 | crashanddie | aquatix, agreed, that's why it's necessary to point out the location of such a law. Not *everywhere* |
| 14:36.58 | lcuk | jott, im thinking for davids shopper - once he has shopped a few times and looked up the codes it will be easy to add "4 pack of beans" |
| 14:36.58 | aquatix | ShadowJK: just drive by real close, you'll notice ;) |
| 14:37.05 | lbt | Our supermarket (Sainsbury) uses 'scan and pack' |
| 14:37.06 | crashanddie | ShadowJK, that's probably why it's illegal to only have 1 light working :P |
| 14:37.10 | aquatix | crashanddie: yeah, good point |
| 14:37.12 | AStorm | I know gps is sucky, but the map is so much better than my TomTom's |
| 14:37.13 | jott | it would be nice to integrate this somehow (rm_you started something).. |
| 14:37.14 | lcuk | lbt, most do now |
| 14:37.21 | AStorm | any idea how to make it so? |
| 14:37.23 | lbt | so we have a portable barcode scanner that we use as we shop |
| 14:37.24 | aquatix | crashanddie: would be stupid to do in sunny countries |
| 14:37.27 | jott | lcuk: yeah and prices could also be stored |
| 14:37.28 | AStorm | maybe A* over bitmap? |
| 14:37.28 | lcuk | yes i know, for offline use it will be good |
| 14:37.39 | AStorm | plus add some flite |
| 14:37.40 | crashanddie | aquatix, I'm in southern france atm... Pretty pointless to add such a law here :P |
| 14:37.40 | lcuk | jott - the normal big database wont know prices |
| 14:37.46 | aquatix | crashanddie: :) |
| 14:37.57 | jott | lcuk: yeah, those have to be entered locally anyway |
| 14:38.04 | ShadowJK | Well right now where I live in .fi, I wouldn't need headlights at all, 24/7. It doesn't get dark |
| 14:38.06 | lcuk | AStorm, whoooosh, i see you asking something interesting but i dont think i can read enough with all this going on |
| 14:38.09 | jott | but with a big touch friendly interface this would be nice |
| 14:38.15 | lcuk | :) |
| 14:38.17 | jott | so you could easily compare prices.. |
| 14:38.40 | ShadowJK | The opposite is true in winter, though, it never gets light enough :p |
| 14:38.40 | aquatix | crashanddie: i like what audi does btw; they added a strip of led lights that act as light-by-day, making them more visible too without having to turn on their real lights |
| 14:38.40 | jott | spinning off, you could even use the gps location to automatically tag the shop where the price was recorded ;) |
| 14:38.41 | Atarii | how can i find out which scratchbox version is installed? |
| 14:38.45 | lcuk | lbt - scan the isle label, get the barcode and the pricing info |
| 14:38.54 | lcuk | take a picture of the pricelabel thing |
| 14:39.06 | lcuk | ocr it later and grab the prices easily and simply |
| 14:40.47 | lbt | lcuk: I'm wondering what use it would be... |
| 14:40.53 | lbt | it's cool and all that |
| 14:40.58 | jott | lbt: price comparision |
| 14:41.12 | GAN800 | barcode doesn't have price |
| 14:41.13 | lbt | I go to the supermarket and buy what they sell |
| 14:41.16 | jott | just tag your data and the shoppinglist will tell you where to shop |
| 14:41.24 | aquatix | jott: scan the ticket you get at the checkout? |
| 14:41.28 | GAN800 | have to enter that by hand. . . |
| 14:41.33 | jott | GAN800: yes, sure |
| 14:41.37 | lbt | I don't drive 8 miles to the next one if the bread is 10p extra |
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| 14:41.45 | lcuk | lbt - how do you know which specific things are rising in price at your own supermartket |
| 14:41.53 | GAN800 | prices change week to week here. |
| 14:41.59 | jott | GAN800: lcuk just had the idea to take a picture of the price tag and associate it with the upn automatically |
| 14:42.00 | lbt | same here |
| 14:42.00 | lcuk | would it be interesting to see that last week you paid 34p for something and now its 97p |
| 14:42.12 | lbt | but scanning doesn't help there |
| 14:42.22 | crashanddie | GAN800, soon you'll be exchanging salt |
| 14:42.24 | lcuk | yes it does because you scanned last week as well |
| 14:42.27 | skibur | hello |
| 14:42.38 | lbt | but scanning doesn't give me the price |
| 14:42.47 | lbt | it *does* give me a unique id for the item |
| 14:42.50 | jott | has atleast 8 different shops in the direct vicinity :P |
| 14:42.53 | Atarii | surely the supermarket price labels will be easy to ocr with the camera |
| 14:43.04 | lbt | but this week I buy Hovis bread (it's on offer) |
| 14:43.05 | jott | so price comparision is feasible here ;) |
| 14:43.12 | lbt | next week I buy Wharburtons |
| 14:43.24 | crashanddie | "easy"... Herm... Have you ever tried taking a picture of something in front of you with the n810 ? |
| 14:43.32 | lbt | jott: but scanning doesn't help |
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| 14:43.36 | GAN800 | price comparisons would involve more work than the saving's'd be worth. |
| 14:43.44 | lbt | you need to manually enter the price |
| 14:43.55 | jott | lbt: scan the code get an id -> scan the price or manually enter it |
| 14:44.06 | lbt | 'scan the price' |
| 14:44.11 | crashanddie | another solution |
| 14:44.13 | jott | it's usuall just 3 digits (in contrast to the 13 of ean13 ;-) |
| 14:44.13 | lbt | how does that work? |
| 14:44.22 | jott | lbt: take a picture |
| 14:44.30 | jott | or enter the 2-4 digits manaully .. |
| 14:44.32 | lbt | on the shelf edge? |
| 14:44.40 | jott | lbt: yeah for example |
| 14:44.56 | jott | thinks manually entering it is not that problematic |
| 14:44.58 | crashanddie | would be to have a generalised server, and store/compare prices there directly ? maybe select per country/shop/city |
| 14:44.59 | lbt | uk - just understanding where you're coming from :) |
| 14:45.02 | jott | with a fingerfirendly interface |
| 14:45.11 | jott | (as an alternative) |
| 14:46.47 | jott | i mean just have really big 0-9 and "00" keys and you can enter every price in an blink of an eye... |
| 14:46.57 | lbt | yep |
| 14:47.18 | jott | lbt: just check out the barcode project.. the code works pretty nice |
| 14:47.37 | lbt | link - I've not noted it yet :) |
| 14:47.56 | lcuk | https://garage.maemo.org/svn/maemo-barcode/trunk/ |
| 14:48.04 | lcuk | svn trunk version for you :) |
| 14:48.32 | lcuk | i wish i could make c++ compilation faster |
| 14:48.43 | jott | lcuk: compile on the host?! ;P |
| 14:48.44 | lbt | scratchbox mate ;) |
| 14:48.58 | lcuk | scratchbox doesnt help me when im sat on the steps outside the office |
| 14:49.45 | jott | lcuk: you don't have internet outside the office? :) |
| 14:49.45 | lcuk | no |
| 14:49.45 | lcuk | i dont have wireless INSIDE the office |
| 14:49.45 | jott | oh |
| 14:49.45 | lcuk | but i dont actually do work inside there |
| 14:49.52 | jott | then just convince you boss you NEED one ;) |
| 14:50.01 | lcuk | but when im out havin a cig i will flip things about and tweak and adjust stuff |
| 14:50.02 | jott | for testing your killer mobile applications |
| 14:50.33 | lbt | pafff--- warning: implicit declaration of function `round' |
| 14:50.41 | jott | ~lart math.h |
| 14:50.41 | infobot | DoSes math.h |
| 14:50.45 | t_s_o | hmm, it cant be right that a N800 should go from half a battery to empty in the space of maybe 12 hours in offline mode? |
| 14:50.46 | lcuk | my killer mobile applications are not commercially viable and so i am stuck coding vb |
| 14:51.01 | crashanddie | t_s_o, if there's an app running, sure |
| 14:51.06 | lcuk | t_s_o, it is if something is running |
| 14:51.20 | lcuk | infact, i could probably drain it much faster |
| 14:51.23 | t_s_o | should not be, only some desktop applet |
| 14:51.32 | lcuk | crashanddie, we have to stop that |
| 14:51.38 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 14:51.47 | Jaffa | GAN800: what'll I be up for? |
| 14:51.48 | lcuk | morning jaffa o/ |
| 14:51.50 | crashanddie | lcuk, we have to stop what ? |
| 14:51.56 | crashanddie | oh |
| 14:51.56 | lcuk | answering the same things |
| 14:51.58 | crashanddie | yeah, we do :P |
| 14:52.05 | crashanddie | lcuk, stop copying me |
| 14:52.15 | lcuk | slap |
| 14:52.32 | GAN800 | Jaffa, a couple of bugzilla products for your stufd. |
| 14:53.00 | Jaffa | GAN800: oh, aye - definitely |
| 14:53.08 | lbt | yeah - just scanned some biscuits |
| 14:53.20 | jott | yummy |
| 14:53.27 | lbt | should beep when it gets a fix |
| 14:53.31 | lbt | BUG |
| 14:53.41 | crashanddie | some_dude: "you there?" me: "aye" some_dude: "define:aye" some_dude: "woops, wrong window" |
| 14:53.44 | jott | lbt: blinks when gets a fix ;) |
| 14:54.00 | GAN800 | I'd like some input here on whether this article should be deleted: http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Ext2_file_system_on_flash_card_partition |
| 14:54.21 | jott | lbt: and yeah it's just a testing framework, waiting to be integrated in a shopping app ;) |
| 14:55.14 | lbt | I do not blink when I get a fix and I resemble that remark!!! |
| 14:55.17 | lcuk | likes testing frameworks |
| 14:55.19 | GAN800 | The process is both significantly less useful and less reliable than straight SD booting and offers no advantages. |
| 14:55.28 | lbt | OK - why not. |
| 14:55.31 | jott | lbt: do you have n800? |
| 14:55.40 | lbt | yes |
| 14:56.06 | jott | lbt: hmm when using normal webcam apps, does the led go on? |
| 14:56.29 | lbt | no |
| 14:56.34 | jott | ah..hmm |
| 14:56.35 | jott | ok |
| 14:56.45 | lbt | but there's clearly an sme message to start the camera app |
| 14:56.48 | jott | well we might have to choose an other pattern then that works on the n800 ;) |
| 14:56.51 | lbt | which wants subverting |
| 14:57.17 | lcuk | just make it beep |
| 14:57.20 | lbt | s/camera/im/ |
| 14:57.37 | jott | lcuk: yeah but beeping in a shop is not the best thing you can do ;) |
| 14:57.44 | lbt | hah |
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| 14:57.51 | lcuk | thats what volume control is for |
| 14:57.56 | lbt | the scanners beep all over the place nowadays |
| 14:58.00 | jott | hehe |
| 14:58.16 | jott | yeah we need an real scanner beep sample ;) |
| 14:58.17 | lcuk | can we actually get rumble iwth our devices? |
| 14:58.20 | lbt | OK - gotta go. It's my wedding anniversary today... not allowed on here for too long... |
| 14:58.31 | jott | heh |
| 14:58.32 | lcuk | if we send out a 10hz signal to the speaker too low to be heard would we feel it |
| 14:58.43 | lcuk | congrats on surviving lbt |
| 14:58.44 | jott | lcuk: hm try it out ;) |
| 14:58.54 | lbt | lcuk: 17 years (I think) |
| 14:59.01 | lcuk | you best be sure |
| 14:59.13 | lcuk | im sure mrs lbt will know, why dont you ask her |
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| 14:59.22 | GAN800 | lcuk, speaker isn't large enough to handle 10Hz |
| 14:59.24 | lbt | what, again? |
| 14:59.35 | lcuk | GAN800, it should still move though |
| 14:59.43 | lcuk | i know we wont hear it |
| 14:59.49 | GAN800 | Wont generate 10Hz |
| 15:00.14 | lcuk | makes a signal generator to see what he can do |
| 15:00.32 | lcuk | horizontal = frequency, vertical = power |
| 15:00.41 | jott | lcuk: just use audacity and generate a sample.. ;) |
| 15:00.52 | lcuk | why, i wanna play tunes |
| 15:01.10 | lcuk | fullscreen strokes for an instrument |
| 15:01.11 | jott | shuffles lcuks todo list |
| 15:01.28 | lcuk | oh grnnngngngnrngrnne you and your sensible things |
| 15:01.46 | lcuk | its all needed anyway cos im trying to arrange a widget framework and different kinds of interaction are needed |
| 15:02.22 | lcuk | but i could just setup a quick gstreamer chain and push data out |
| 15:02.23 | jott | heh make a "blast device speaker" button ;) |
| 15:02.40 | GAN800 | pushes the brown note to lcuk's tablet. |
| 15:02.47 | sxpert | depending on the music, it could be "destroy device speakers" |
| 15:03.14 | lcuk | GAN800, now THAT wont move, your guts wont resonate with a tiny speaker (unless you shoved it up your .... ermm thats a bit offtopic isnt it |
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| 15:03.50 | sxpert | lcuk, unless nokia secretely added a vibrator motor within... |
| 15:03.51 | GAN800 | You hope they wont, anyway. ;) |
| 15:04.25 | lcuk | sxpert, well that was the effect i was thinging off, not for that purpose, but some way to give feedback to the user holding the device that there has been a successful scan |
| 15:04.30 | jott | maybe generating brown notes is the hidden n810 gimmick :) |
| 15:04.35 | lcuk | a low frequency hum would work i think |
| 15:05.04 | GAN800 | Nokia's just waiting for the right moment to destroy the world. |
| 15:05.10 | sxpert | lcuk, those would be proably out of the speakers' frequency range |
| 15:05.19 | GAN800 | 250Hz |
| 15:05.34 | jott | must think of the atmos device in doctor who ;) |
| 15:05.39 | lcuk | well find a resonant frequency that DOES match and see if it can be made to work. hence a little program to test frequency/power combinations |
| 15:05.45 | sxpert | that's not particularly low frequency |
| 15:06.00 | GAN800 | Low enough |
| 15:07.10 | crashanddie | http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=619847&cid=24261957 |
| 15:09.10 | GAN800 | Somebody be useful and comment here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Ext2_file_system_on_flash_card_partition |
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| 15:20.27 | lcuk | crashanddie, the best one is the multiple function |
| 15:20.28 | lcuk | :D |
| 15:20.36 | lcuk | multiply even |
| 15:26.19 | lcuk_codin | back later |
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| 15:48.31 | terbo | so my problem with the mcom evdo bundle is the wifi router, when i'd rather use bluetooth |
| 15:50.39 | terbo | in the us at least .. the bt would last longer. |
| 15:51.12 | terbo | anyone ever use w3m? :) xlinks2 is .. ok |
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| 15:54.50 | terbo | its not bundled anymore, but you could get a battery powered AP with a usb port, for the cdma modem |
| 15:56.16 | terbo | is thinking .. wrt router with linux/usb? a battery pack |
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| 16:02.26 | ol_schoola | jumping in without seeing more than two lines of your thoughts, could a Fonero fit your needs? |
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| 16:06.52 | ol_schoola | http://wiki.openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/Hardware/Fon/Fonera fun little things they are |
| 16:09.00 | terbo | looks around |
| 16:09.41 | terbo | sludges along |
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| 16:11.59 | ol_schoola | chugs last bit of coffee dregs |
| 16:12.17 | terbo | i dunno, don't see how to add usb .. i think two ports |
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| 16:20.58 | ol_schoola | oh, sorry. didn't see you were looking for a USB<>AP solution. there IS a header on the Fonera FOR a USB ports and they did run a proto of the 2.1 with said USB port but AFAIK nobody's successfully modprobed it in the production models |
| 16:21.17 | ol_schoola | ports/port |
| 16:22.53 | terbo | I might just use this wrt54 if I could put usb on it |
| 16:23.21 | terbo | just wants internet allthewhere |
| 16:24.55 | terbo | otherwise I'm going to have to have my laptop powered up all the time . . . . |
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| 16:30.25 | lcuk_codin | does anyone know of a concise list of important file locations for a software application. ie where are binaries meant to live, where to store configuration options, where user files should live. ive managed to find one in the past but my google foo is failing me this afternoon |
| 16:30.35 | ol_schoola | i see. i bit the bullet and got the n95 and the 15/month add-on with ATT |
| 16:32.14 | ol_schoola | lcuk_codin: in the redaht world, you would examine the spec file for the RPM. my debian knowledge is less than stelllar.... |
| 16:32.31 | ol_schoola | or dpkg for that matter |
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| 16:33.16 | lcuk_codin | yer, i can recall the page im thinking off - i know it exists but i think my terminology is a bit off so google is failing me |
| 16:33.35 | ol_schoola | i have really bad google foo myself |
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| 16:38.52 | ol_schoola | GeneralAntilles: i flashed that n800 to diablo.23-14 last night and am starting fresh. care to chime in throughout the day as I uncover foibles? i'll gladly update wiki entries as appropriate. |
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| 16:43.29 | zap | lcuk_codin: maybe you're meaning the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard? |
| 16:43.38 | zap | this one, for example: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html |
| 16:43.47 | lcuk_codin | http://tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/sect_03_01.html |
| 16:43.51 | lcuk_codin | lol yes |
| 16:44.29 | lcuk_codin | i eventually found my way to what i needed :) thanks zap yours is just as useful |
| 16:44.47 | zap | FHS is the standard, LDP contains just a intro for beginners |
| 16:45.34 | ol_schoola | dar! didn't see the forest in the trees there. no wonder my goo-foo sux |
| 16:45.36 | lcuk_codin | is a beginner |
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| 16:46.16 | ol_schoola | has been a beginner since he took up mythtv in 2004 |
| 16:46.30 | lcuk_codin | i just need lite details so i can plan where things should go - gotta get the "install" branch of the liqbase package ready and its reminded me about a few nonos ive hard coded in |
| 16:47.39 | zap | lcuk_codin: if you have doubts, ask here |
| 16:47.50 | ol_schoola | i'd still unwrap another known good pkg and see where others have successfully placed the bits. just a thought |
| 16:48.00 | lcuk_codin | exactly, but i would at least like to plan where I think it should go |
| 16:48.19 | ol_schoola | well thats very kind of you lcuk_codin |
| 16:48.50 | lcuk_codin | :) i do try to help myself first |
| 16:49.54 | ol_schoola | someone has read ESRs suggestions ;) |
| 16:50.39 | lcuk_codin | ol_schoola, i did that to find out what was required for the /debian folder and looked at other projects using similar libraries and features, but the programs I looked at didnt want to touch as much of the os as i have in mind |
| 16:52.02 | lcuk_codin | im already on the backfoot by releasing liqbase as it was, people are already creating data with it in a format and location I'm gonna have to import and convert. i wanna get it right :) |
| 16:52.28 | ol_schoola | well then with that, i'll step down as i am wading into deeper water than i should ;) |
| 16:52.46 | lcuk_codin | ;) |
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| 17:10.07 | rm_you | lcuk_codin / jott : yes |
| 17:10.19 | rm_you | i have the database of UPC/EAN in SQLite format now |
| 17:10.31 | rm_you | it was kind of ... a bitch |
| 17:11.10 | rm_you | because the import was totally broken due to CSV with embedded commas in the text >_> |
| 17:11.14 | rm_you | but i know regexp :P |
| 17:16.28 | RST38h | is debugging that Pokemon bug |
| 17:17.24 | RST38h | Thought it was wrong shoft-by-constant implementation in the ARM core but apparently thats not it |
| 17:17.44 | RST38h | s/shoft/shift |
| 17:17.51 | skibur | has anybody had problems udating libd4.2, libglade2-0 and python2.5-dev? |
| 17:18.59 | rm_you | RST38h: the one with the corrupted pokemon involving surfing around off cinnibar isle? :P |
| 17:19.05 | rm_you | wonders why he knows this |
| 17:19.30 | pupnik_ | RST38h: did you see someone wrote a dynamic recompiler for dosbox x86->arm? |
| 17:19.56 | pupnik_ | or rather, implemented a simple one within the dosbox dynrec framework |
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| 17:23.41 | RST38h | rm-you: no, the color bug |
| 17:24.08 | RST38h | pupnik: no, is it true? |
| 17:24.39 | pupnik_ | as far as I can tell yes, i haven't had time to try it on the tablet |
| 17:24.58 | pupnik_ | http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?act=ST&f=45&t=42726 |
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| 17:31.32 | Edgester | Is there a recommended distro and version for developing for N8x0? Debian or ubuntu? sid or etch? gutsy or hardy? |
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| 17:32.56 | RST38h | pupnik: somehow, I suspect it will not be much faster.... |
| 17:33.12 | RST38h | edgester: hardy |
| 17:33.27 | Edgester | RST38h: thanks |
| 17:33.59 | pupnik_ | yes the author says as much. but maybe someone who knows x86 and ARM asm would see something to improve? :) |
| 17:34.08 | wazd | hi everybody :) |
| 17:34.10 | pupnik | just plantin seeds... |
| 17:34.14 | Edgester | I'm wondering if my build environment is pooched, so I was thinking of rebuild my dev VM |
| 17:34.30 | Edgester | but I get similar errors from the autobuilder :( |
| 17:34.40 | Edgester | so it might not be my box |
| 17:35.00 | RST38h | pupnik: x86 address translation is a bitch. no way around it. |
| 17:35.37 | Edgester | Is the maemo devel vm updated for diablo? |
| 17:35.46 | wazd | General, can you please give me a link to the advanced backlight theme archive? |
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| 17:36.19 | RST38h | in theory you should be able to use chinook sdk just fine |
| 17:36.22 | rm_you | wazd: most of them are in the base package |
| 17:36.50 | wazd | oh, hi rm_you :) |
| 17:36.50 | rm_you | wazd: the only one I know of that isn't is one of my custom ones that looks like shit, but it is posted on the forum :) |
| 17:37.06 | RST38h | is dangerously close to having to write trace loggers and compare utiluty |
| 17:37.12 | Edgester | RST38h: I must compile diablo kernel modules |
| 17:37.13 | rm_you | wazd: yeah, we really need to start a theme archive, as such... |
| 17:37.24 | pupnik | :) |
| 17:37.28 | RST38h | edgester: oh |
| 17:37.37 | rm_you | and I need to split out the extra icon themes into a package called advanced-backlight-icons |
| 17:37.52 | wazd | rm_you: nono, I just wanted a pack of files to create my own :) |
| 17:38.08 | rm_you | wazd: look at benson's post on ITT |
| 17:38.21 | wazd | ok |
| 17:38.22 | RST38h | rmyou: its really better to keep themes for diff apps together somewhere |
| 17:38.23 | rm_you | wazd: he has an excellent script to get started with that, and that will give you the full set of icons |
| 17:38.50 | rm_you | wazd: the spec is now at 70 icons <_< though you can get away with 42 |
| 17:38.58 | rm_you | RST38h: ? |
| 17:39.17 | RST38h | rmyou: like they have themes for gnome etc |
| 17:39.47 | RST38h | every theme contains stuff for many different applications from different authors |
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| 17:40.46 | rm_you | RST38h: right, we tried for integration like that, but it doesn't really work for us |
| 17:40.57 | rm_you | RST38h: because we have iconsets that have no relation at all to what theme you are in |
| 17:41.10 | RST38h | yep |
| 17:41.26 | wazd | rm_you: thanks, already got it :) |
| 17:41.30 | rm_you | wazd: :) |
| 17:42.20 | wazd | I've found some funky stuff today :) http://ourcomments.org/Emacs/NewIcons.html#AndrewZhilin |
| 17:42.48 | wazd | I'm feeling like Tyler Durden from the Fight Club :) |
| 17:43.21 | rm_you | lol? |
| 17:43.31 | rm_you | emacs icons?! >_> |
| 17:43.35 | wazd | A guy with same name and surname is a designer in opensource too :) |
| 17:43.41 | rm_you | ah lol |
| 17:44.05 | wazd | but thats not me, I don't remember me dealing with Emacs :) |
| 17:44.42 | rm_you | heh |
| 17:45.52 | wazd | I want to make something like that: http://s50.radikal.ru/i130/0807/bd/fcecb5191b45.jpg |
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| 17:47.19 | wazd | rm_you: what do you think?) |
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| 17:47.57 | rm_you | wazd: that is cool i think, though you would have to really get used to which is volume and which is brightness |
| 17:48.10 | rm_you | wazd: benson's script CAN be used to make that though |
| 17:48.29 | rm_you | wazd: but you would need to increase the number of bars in one section as there are more brightness levels than volume |
| 17:48.59 | wazd | rm_you: I was thinking to make color definition :) |
| 17:49.12 | rm_you | I agree, was going to suggest that :p |
| 17:50.23 | rm_you | omfg yes |
| 17:50.26 | rm_you | FINALLY |
| 17:50.46 | rm_you | been massaging this CSV to get it to import correctly to SQLite for like 4 hours |
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| 17:54.36 | wazd | rm_you: and talking about gradations, maybe if i'll siplify grightness that would not be big crime ^^ |
| 17:54.47 | rm_you | heh i suppose you could |
| 17:54.49 | wazd | brightness* |
| 17:54.59 | rm_you | people might revolt |
| 17:55.02 | rm_you | not jott tho |
| 17:55.25 | rm_you | he thinks there should be no icon for brightness :P (since, you know... you can just LOOK and see how bright it is) :P |
| 17:56.02 | wazd | rm_you: actually I think so too ;) |
| 17:56.06 | rm_you | lol |
| 17:56.16 | rm_you | well, you can do whatever you want, it's your iconset |
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| 17:57.09 | wazd | rm_you: When i've switched theme I suddenly got icon dissappeared. That was cool, mabe you can add an option to remove icon at all?) |
| 17:57.17 | lcuk_codin | where is the host csv from rm_you ? |
| 17:57.24 | rm_you | lcuk_codin: upcdatabase |
| 17:57.29 | lcuk_codin | cos i thought csv was a standard format - link? |
| 17:57.43 | rm_you | lcuk_codin: it is, but sqlite isn't designed to import this |
| 17:57.52 | rm_you | lcuk_codin: sqlite doesn't understand quoting |
| 17:58.12 | lcuk_codin | it does - if it understands csv it should anyway |
| 17:58.14 | rm_you | lcuk_codin: i really should have imported it into something else that is full featured and understands quoting, then exported it as like, SQL |
| 17:58.30 | rm_you | lcuk_codin: but i was, again, very tired when i started this process |
| 17:58.35 | rm_you | so i didnt think of that till this morning |
| 17:58.42 | rm_you | but i was already pretty much dome |
| 17:58.43 | rm_you | *done |
| 17:59.08 | rm_you | ick |
| 17:59.16 | rm_you | -rw-r--r-- 1 adam adam 82374656 2008-07-20 10:57 upc.db |
| 17:59.17 | rm_you | -rw-r--r-- 1 adam adam 30914724 2008-07-20 10:57 upc.db.gz |
| 17:59.28 | rm_you | pain |
| 17:59.29 | lcuk_codin | lol |
| 18:00.04 | rm_you | we will need BOTH options |
| 18:00.08 | lcuk_codin | considers putting down the IDE. coding and wine aren't the best combination |
| 18:00.13 | rm_you | use local db, or if not present, use internet |
| 18:00.23 | rm_you | lol |
| 18:00.28 | lcuk_codin | just use local anyway - saves a whole doubling up on code |
| 18:00.34 | lcuk_codin | just warn them if its out of date? |
| 18:00.36 | wazd | lcuk_codin: try cola :) |
| 18:00.48 | rm_you | lcuk_codin: but if they dont want to download and store 85mb >_> |
| 18:00.58 | lcuk_codin | 01 Jul 2008 upcdatabase-2008.07.01.tar.gz 17.32MB |
| 18:01.25 | rm_you | lcuk_codin: that is plaintext |
| 18:01.40 | rm_you | lcuk_codin: in SQLite it doubles |
| 18:01.51 | rm_you | but crazyfast lookup |
| 18:01.51 | lcuk_codin | yes, that is all they have to download though. even after this - it gets smaller because they have diffs |
| 18:02.01 | rm_you | lcuk_codin: that isnt sqlite |
| 18:02.04 | wazd | Ah, BTW, can anybody finaly explain the situation in A2DP in Diablo?) i got it working in Chinook but can't do it in Diablo( |
| 18:02.04 | lcuk_codin | i KNOW it needs converting |
| 18:02.19 | rm_you | ... |
| 18:02.20 | lcuk_codin | but thats the maximum download required. once they have it, its done and ready |
| 18:02.26 | rm_you | lcuk_codin: in what way |
| 18:02.32 | rm_you | lcuk_codin: that isnt usable for sqlite |
| 18:03.22 | lcuk_codin | haven't you just written an import? |
| 18:03.26 | rm_you | no |
| 18:03.37 | rm_you | about 8 different sed lines |
| 18:03.43 | rm_you | used in various orders |
| 18:03.46 | rm_you | and manual tweaking |
| 18:03.55 | lcuk_codin | is the data contained in that file now inside an sqlite database? |
| 18:03.59 | rm_you | yes |
| 18:04.05 | lcuk_codin | then you have written an import |
| 18:04.11 | rm_you | ? |
| 18:04.15 | lcuk_codin | no matter how inefficient it is at the moment |
| 18:04.25 | rm_you | a lot of it was by hand >_> |
| 18:04.37 | rm_you | manually changing the text |
| 18:04.47 | rm_you | i dont consider that "writing an import" |
| 18:05.20 | lcuk_codin | ok, i just looked inside the file, it does follow standard csv guidelines? |
| 18:05.33 | rm_you | SQLite doesn't >_> |
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| 18:05.56 | rm_you | like i said, would have been faster to import to a better SQL system and re-export as something else |
| 18:06.19 | lcuk_codin | insert into tblUPN values( $linefromfile ) |
| 18:06.35 | rm_you | ... |
| 18:06.38 | lcuk_codin | sql quoting uses the same syntax for quoting characters i believ |
| 18:06.47 | rm_you | hrm |
| 18:06.51 | rm_you | i shall check |
| 18:07.46 | DarkenCZ | Does anybody know where I can find source codes of xomap? |
| 18:08.35 | rm_you | lcuk_codin: omg i think i hate you :P |
| 18:08.39 | DarkenCZ | cvs, svn or some src-deb ? |
| 18:08.40 | lcuk_codin | rm_you, it might blow up on empty fields in this example, not sure of the specfifics of how it will work |
| 18:08.51 | lcuk_codin | im used to filling each field in |
| 18:09.08 | rm_you | sed -i 's/\(.*\)/insert into items values(\1)/' items.csv |
| 18:09.11 | rm_you | it is now in SQL syntax |
| 18:09.26 | rm_you | >_< |
| 18:10.07 | lcuk_codin | does it work though? |
| 18:10.11 | rm_you | sqlite3 upc.db < items.csv |
| 18:10.12 | rm_you | appears to |
| 18:10.19 | rm_you | and... |
| 18:10.21 | rm_you | .... |
| 18:10.50 | Blafasel | ;-) |
| 18:10.59 | rm_you | fuck. it's working, |
| 18:11.01 | rm_you | FUCK |
| 18:11.06 | rm_you | strangles lcuk_codin |
| 18:11.11 | lcuk_codin | hahaha |
| 18:11.15 | Blafasel | Cheers ;) |
| 18:11.29 | rm_you | i am going to make a rule |
| 18:11.38 | rm_you | no coding after i have been up for more than 10 hours |
| 18:11.44 | rm_you | it'll be tough, but worth it |
| 18:12.07 | lcuk_codin | rm_you, everybody has similar moments |
| 18:12.23 | rm_you | *sigh* |
| 18:12.41 | lcuk_codin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.42 | lcuk_codin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.42 | lcuk_codin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.51 | rm_you | lol |
| 18:13.02 | Blafasel | Nice ;) |
| 18:13.03 | rm_you | plonker :P <3 brits |
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| 18:13.46 | lcuk_codin | there is something wrong with a person who appears perfect. Everybody makes mistakes. |
| 18:14.07 | rm_you | yeah i thought I already made my horrible mistake for this week ;P |
| 18:14.08 | rm_you | ah well |
| 18:14.10 | Blafasel | I'm curious how much I understand from all the different accents during the maemo summit |
| 18:14.43 | rm_you | oh god, mistake #3: not redirecting the output of that command to /dev/null |
| 18:14.57 | rm_you | has to wait through the terminal spamming every SQL command it just ran |
| 18:15.12 | lcuk_codin | Blafasel, :) i heard more accents at linuxtag than ihave done in a longtime. i came back home thinking with an accent and hoping i got to do it again. im going to the summit and am looking forward to it immensely |
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| 18:15.28 | Blafasel | ctrl + z and bg |
| 18:15.38 | Blafasel | At least doesn't annoy anymore. |
| 18:16.07 | rm_you | pretty sure it will still output to stdout in that terminal? >_> |
| 18:16.20 | Blafasel | disown %% && exit |
| 18:16.22 | Blafasel | Nope ;) |
| 18:16.25 | rm_you | lol |
| 18:17.00 | lcuk_codin | push it to dev/nul? |
| 18:17.37 | rm_you | lol, i really hope i can go to the summit <_< |
| 18:17.49 | rm_you | i may have to try to raise the money myself <_< |
| 18:17.57 | rm_you | maybe i will do a bakesale |
| 18:18.14 | rm_you | ... or go stand up in the engineering department with a sign "will code C for $25 an hour" |
| 18:18.17 | lcuk_codin | sell copies of bitbake and some wine? |
| 18:20.55 | rm_you | lcuk_codin: and somehow the database file is even smaller |
| 18:20.56 | rm_you | fsck |
| 18:21.10 | rm_you | oh i know why |
| 18:21.12 | rm_you | lol |
| 18:21.30 | rm_you | anywho... |
| 18:21.33 | lcuk_codin | does it now only contain 1 copy of each line |
| 18:21.59 | rm_you | no it's because i had fixed the empty fields to read "Not Available" *in* the db |
| 18:22.09 | rm_you | which that should just be done in the app when it gets a blank response |
| 18:22.17 | lcuk_codin | yes |
| 18:22.22 | rm_you | i wasnt sure how it would take blank fields tho |
| 18:22.26 | rm_you | but in this method it works fine |
| 18:22.32 | rm_you | .import is sketchy <_< |
| 18:22.45 | lcuk_codin | just skipping it with a blank item "field1ok",,"field3ok" |
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| 18:22.51 | rm_you | yes |
| 18:22.55 | lcuk_codin | cool |
| 18:22.59 | rm_you | .import didnt like it tho |
| 18:23.03 | rm_you | but meh :P |
| 18:23.17 | rm_you | awesome, time to move to step 2 |
| 18:23.19 | rm_you | coding :P |
| 18:23.39 | lcuk_codin | does the version of sqlite that you have used require explicit installation or can you recompile it using the standardly available one |
| 18:23.50 | rm_you | i will check |
| 18:24.23 | lcuk_codin | obviously if would be better with the standard one |
| 18:26.08 | Blafasel | rm_you: Where're you're from? Long way to Berlin? |
| 18:26.52 | rm_you | Blafasel: Texas :P |
| 18:27.35 | Blafasel | Ouch |
| 18:27.44 | lcuk_codin | google maps says it will take you 3 months to get to berlin. some of which involves a peddlo |
| 18:28.13 | rm_you | lol |
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| 18:29.14 | rm_you | wow |
| 18:32.46 | rm_you | lcuk_codin: ok, also wrote a script called import.sh that will do everything, from having the original csv in the directory to having a nice database, using the shipper version of sqlite |
| 18:33.00 | lcuk_codin | \o/ |
| 18:33.40 | lcuk_codin | how long does an import take? |
| 18:34.18 | rm_you | a while. |
| 18:34.33 | rm_you | want me to time it? >_> |
| 18:34.36 | rm_you | multiple minutes |
| 18:34.41 | rm_you | i know that much |
| 18:34.48 | rm_you | on my 2.4ghz PC |
| 18:35.07 | lcuk_codin | on device yer, we would know then if it can be something the user is asked about at startup or an explicit action |
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| 18:35.42 | lcuk_codin | hmmm, i wonder if a desktop app would help then |
| 18:36.00 | lcuk_codin | the desktop downloads and converts for the tablet app? |
| 18:36.14 | lcuk_codin | not vital yet, you have a standard base import anyway |
| 18:37.15 | rm_you | lcuk_codin: tempted to say "Option 1: download the finished database from here (35mb, less CPU time); Option 2: download the database from here and import it (17mb, multiple minutes CPU time)" |
| 18:37.35 | rm_you | i know i would choose option 1 |
| 18:37.45 | Blafasel | Seconded |
| 18:37.49 | rm_you | i have ridiculous bandwidth |
| 18:37.56 | rm_you | but 56kers could choose option 2 :P |
| 18:37.57 | lcuk_codin | yes, agreed, some people have no bandwidth issues |
| 18:37.58 | Blafasel | i.e. unlimited. ;) |
| 18:38.04 | rm_you | but 56kers could choose option 2 :P |
| 18:38.51 | lcuk_codin | im wondering if this is needed at all ;) |
| 18:38.55 | rm_you | ? |
| 18:39.05 | lcuk_codin | the software should try to work iwthout anythinganyway |
| 18:39.13 | rm_you | well right |
| 18:39.27 | rm_you | why i said, provide both, internet lookup and local DB |
| 18:39.28 | lcuk_codin | this is just fancy save your fingers a tiny bit of work |
| 18:40.14 | lcuk_codin | and an interface for "oh crap i still cant find the description" |
| 18:40.23 | rm_you | yeah |
| 18:40.28 | rm_you | pops google? :P |
| 18:41.12 | rm_you | lcuk_codin: 8 minutes and counting on my DESKTOP.... |
| 18:41.19 | rm_you | lcuk_codin: still not nearly done |
| 18:41.41 | lcuk_codin | hmm |
| 18:41.48 | rm_you | though *possibly* flash memory would drastically improve time |
| 18:42.02 | rm_you | as, it doesnt actually looks to be CPU intensive but for 1/10th of the time |
| 18:42.06 | rm_you | rest is disk access i think |
| 18:42.26 | rm_you | i will test on tablet |
| 18:47.07 | rm_you | 11:43 |
| 18:47.18 | rm_you | that is start time for ease of remembering :P |
| 18:47.22 | rm_you | will see when it ends |
| 18:48.05 | rm_you | 4 minutes to go from .csv -> .sql |
| 18:48.15 | rm_you | 11:47 starting on import |
| 18:49.01 | rm_you | this is going to take at least 30 more minutes on my deskto |
| 18:49.04 | rm_you | *p |
| 18:49.13 | rm_you | so i will start on coding |
| 18:50.24 | derf | rm_you: How's the barcode stuff coming along? |
| 18:51.05 | rm_you | derf: datamatrix is almost there i think with the use of libdmtx, 1d looks excellent, right now i am working on database lookup of UPC to display product info |
| 18:51.10 | rm_you | never got to the QR stuff :( |
| 18:51.18 | derf | Aw well. |
| 18:51.42 | derf | I personally got totally distracted by polynomial root finding in finite fields. |
| 18:51.49 | rm_you | he |
| 18:51.51 | rm_you | *heh |
| 18:51.53 | derf | But on the plus side, R-S decoding should be loads faster if there are few errors. |
| 18:52.30 | rm_you | :P |
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| 18:59.40 | zap | Anybody knows who uploaded ttf-dejavu to extras? It cannot be installed. |
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| 19:02.55 | rm_you | Reading state information... Done |
| 19:02.55 | rm_you | ttf-dejavu is already the newest version. |
| 19:03.01 | rm_you | ?? |
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| 19:04.17 | rm_you | actually, i dont see it in extras |
| 19:05.32 | zap | ttf-dejavu depends on defomap |
| 19:05.41 | zap | and defomap is not in extras, it's in sdk |
| 19:06.14 | zap | here's it in extras: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/t/ttf-dejavu/ |
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| 19:10.55 | rm_you | weird it isnt showing up in apt-cache policy, and i just updated |
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| 19:17.17 | zap | rm_you: apt-cache policy ttf-dejavu works for me |
| 19:17.37 | rm_you | zap: i mean, it shows up, just not as being in extras |
| 19:18.05 | zap | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:18.05 | zap | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:18.09 | zap | thats how it shows for me |
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| 19:21.41 | rm_you | lcuk_codin: wait, nm, looks like it broke on an odd symbol... will have to do a LITTLE more work with sed, but looks simple |
| 19:25.59 | rm_you | lcuk_codin: it doesnt like unquoted strings, which that includes |
| 19:26.10 | rm_you | prolly why it was taking forever |
| 19:26.19 | rm_you | it was trying to deal with them gracefully and failing |
| 19:26.47 | lcuk_codin | 0000000235525,"5.5 Oz.","""Trader Joe's"" Tuna for Cats" |
| 19:26.54 | lcuk_codin | which code fails? |
| 19:27.05 | lcuk_codin | sorry not answered, been grabbin a brew |
| 19:27.38 | rm_you | heh |
| 19:28.16 | lcuk_codin | ahhh i see, items without spaces are unquoted |
| 19:28.34 | lcuk_codin | 0076795147022,,FRAME |
| 19:28.49 | lcuk_codin | 0076795141815,5X7,"IC FRAME 5X7 PEWTER W/BEAD" |
| 19:29.22 | rm_you | yes |
| 19:29.25 | lcuk_codin | i didnt get that far down, damn |
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| 19:29.31 | rm_you | working on it |
| 19:29.34 | rm_you | first one is |
| 19:29.44 | rm_you | s/,,/,"",/ |
| 19:29.44 | rm_you | s/\([0-9]*\),\([a-zA-Z0-9]*\),/\1,"\2",/ |
| 19:29.57 | rm_you | dont like that tho |
| 19:30.07 | lcuk_codin | cant understand that anyway |
| 19:30.09 | rm_you | need to include symbols not just alphanumerics |
| 19:30.17 | crashanddie | [a-zA-Z0-9]* |
| 19:30.21 | crashanddie | that's fugly |
| 19:30.23 | rm_you | yeah |
| 19:30.29 | crashanddie | * is way too greedy |
| 19:30.30 | rm_you | :alphanum: wasnt working |
| 19:30.36 | rm_you | no that is fine |
| 19:30.38 | lcuk_codin | lol crashanddie you sound like a girl sayin that |
| 19:30.39 | crashanddie | how long max ? |
| 19:30.46 | lcuk_codin | my missus talks about shoes bein fugly |
| 19:30.59 | rm_you | crashanddie: we're dealing with CSV |
| 19:31.00 | crashanddie | lcuk_codin, yeah, but your missus married you |
| 19:31.03 | lcuk_codin | 0076795141815,5X7,"IC FRAME 5X7 PEWTER W/BEAD" would fail |
| 19:31.17 | lcuk_codin | 0074305060038,2.8oz,"Bragg All Natural Herb Seasoning" |
| 19:31.23 | lcuk_codin | that i mean, damn laggy c&p |
| 19:31.28 | rm_you | yeah |
| 19:31.30 | rm_you | i know |
| 19:31.35 | rm_you | need to include symbols, like i said |
| 19:31.45 | rm_you | need a good premade group |
| 19:31.56 | rm_you | i forget what they are |
| 19:32.07 | lcuk_codin | i wonder just how long it would take to manually scan and insert those at runtime without trying to do a full db |
| 19:32.08 | rm_you | i thought [:alphanum:] was one |
| 19:32.27 | AStorm | rm_you: alnum :) |
| 19:32.29 | lcuk_codin | turbo read lines with a single index tree built up from the primary key |
| 19:32.35 | rm_you | GAH |
| 19:32.40 | rm_you | thats it thanks AStorm |
| 19:32.43 | AStorm | rm_you: actually, [:graph:] is best |
| 19:32.55 | rm_you | AStorm: cant include quotes |
| 19:32.58 | AStorm | most alnums don't grab diacritics |
| 19:33.10 | AStorm | rm_you: then what about [^"] |
| 19:33.13 | rm_you | yeah |
| 19:33.15 | rm_you | was using that |
| 19:33.16 | AStorm | which means everything except quote |
| 19:33.20 | rm_you | i know |
| 19:33.21 | AStorm | :) |
| 19:33.22 | rm_you | but |
| 19:33.32 | rm_you | actually if i could get ^" && ^, working... |
| 19:33.37 | rm_you | is it [^",] |
| 19:33.40 | AStorm | it is |
| 19:33.41 | rm_you | or [^"^,] |
| 19:33.41 | AStorm | :) |
| 19:33.47 | AStorm | the first option |
| 19:33.48 | rm_you | k |
| 19:33.53 | rm_you | it wasnt working for some reason |
| 19:34.07 | lcuk_codin | is it legal to allocate a single block of memory of 47mb on this device ;) |
| 19:34.19 | rm_you | well works now |
| 19:35.18 | rm_you | ok |
| 19:35.20 | rm_you | s/\([0-9]*\),\([^",]*\),/\1,"\2",/ |
| 19:35.24 | AStorm | lcuk_codin: well, pushing it, but should work |
| 19:35.42 | rm_you | eh? |
| 19:35.45 | rm_you | look decent? |
| 19:35.51 | lcuk_codin | ok, just load up an index table generated form the file |
| 19:36.09 | lcuk_codin | the index just stores the offset into the file for a particular ID |
| 19:36.23 | lcuk_codin | no need to convert and is just available always |
| 19:37.45 | rm_you | also s/,\([^",]*\));$/,"\1");/ |
| 19:37.51 | rm_you | for the end of line ones |
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| 19:38.59 | lcuk_codin | rm_you, sounds reasonable, that will convert it to include blank quotes? |
| 19:39.11 | rm_you | i believe so |
| 19:39.16 | rm_you | ran into a problem tho, sec |
| 19:39.49 | rm_you | i messed something up in my original testing |
| 19:39.57 | rm_you | need to reset the file real quick |
| 19:40.27 | lcuk_codin | back later on |
| 19:40.37 | rm_you | k |
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| 19:42.07 | qwerty12_N800 | ~lart weddings |
| 19:42.07 | infobot | shoves a crumpet down weddings's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? |
| 19:44.00 | rm_you | GAH was missing an important bit of that regexp |
| 19:45.18 | jott | hands rm_you an handcrafted parser |
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| 19:46.26 | rm_you | my brain parses limited regexp :P |
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| 19:47.14 | GNUton | Hi there |
| 19:47.26 | rm_you | hey |
| 19:47.45 | GNUton | hello rm_you! :) |
| 19:49.35 | GNUton | jott: do u have update qgtkstyle in the repository? |
| 19:50.23 | jott | GNUton: no not yet |
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| 19:53.37 | GNUton | jott: ok |
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| 19:54.12 | GNUton | Mek the guy that works on plasma for N810 and Openmoko |
| 19:54.27 | GNUton | had contacted me this morning and... |
| 19:54.53 | GNUton | this is his RMB code http://websvn.kde.org/branches/work/soc-plasma-sff/kdebase/workspace/plasma/plasma/plasmaapp.cpp?revision=826078&view=markup |
| 19:56.34 | GNUton | unfortunatelly it doesn´t work fine, and it should be reviewed. |
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| 19:57.14 | GNUton | I´m going to port it when I´ve a bit of free time. |
| 19:58.19 | GNUton | this week (I hope) I´ll move Qt4 in extra-devel |
| 19:58.51 | Churl | speaking of hope, isn't the last hope soon? or did I miss it |
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| 20:00.57 | rm_you | GNUton: that would be handy, then porting sqlite-browser would be much easier :P |
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| 20:04.44 | rm_you | bbl, afk for a bit while i wait for this database to import |
| 20:06.47 | GNUton | rm_you: yes I thin that having Qt in extra-devel is very handly.. I hope to see more Qt app in extra-devel soon. |
| 20:06.58 | GNUton | think |
| 20:09.45 | Blafasel | Churl: The last Hope was mentioned on /. recently. Yesterday? |
| 20:12.37 | GNUton | Which last Hope? |
| 20:13.41 | Blafasel | Hackers On Planet Earth |
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| 20:14.39 | RST38bis | moo, all |
| 20:17.01 | jott | ljp / lpotter: how is the right mouse button handling in qtopia solved? |
| 20:18.14 | jott | hm RightOnHold |
| 20:19.52 | zap | ttf-dejavu should be in user/themes, in user/office, user/support or in user/other ? |
| 20:21.58 | jott | GNUton: http://git.asheesh.org/?p=qtopia_snapshot.git;a=blob;f=src/libraries/qtopia/qtopiaapplication.cpp look for RightOnHold and PressTickWidget |
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| 20:25.33 | jott | looks quite handy.. |
| 20:26.30 | Jaffa | Woot! Typing this on a networked OS X box :-) |
| 20:26.56 | jott | wow! os x has network support nowadays? |
| 20:27.06 | Blafasel | ;) |
| 20:27.36 | Blafasel | Regarding git: I really like the git bisect stuff. Wish more SCM tools would support something similar (or maybe I just need to learn more about them) |
| 20:27.45 | Jaffa | jott: Depends on the err, hardware, you, err, use. |
| 20:28.05 | Blafasel | Thief! |
| 20:28.28 | Jaffa | wants to rename 770Flasher.app, and that's about it |
| 20:29.54 | MangoFusion | is there a 770Flasher for intel macs yet? |
| 20:30.17 | Jaffa | Apparently it works as-is, but never having had an Intel Mac, I've no way to check. |
| 20:30.25 | Jaffa | Also might be interesting to try porting 0xffff to OS X |
| 20:36.20 | MangoFusion | well i tried it on my intel mac, doesn't work |
| 20:37.26 | RST38bis | hi, jaffa |
| 20:39.35 | terbo | hmmm.. any info on the flash 10 beta? |
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| 20:46.01 | GNUton | jott: this code is very interesting! |
| 20:46.23 | jott | GNUton: yes looks reusable and works fine on my greenphone ;> |
| 20:46.36 | GNUton | jott: have you a greenphone? :) |
| 20:46.46 | jott | yes ;) |
| 20:46.48 | GNUton | great! :) |
| 20:47.48 | GNUton | jott: Do you know other interesting code to take from Qtopia? |
| 20:48.16 | jott | uhm probably there are some parts. depends on what you want to achieve.. |
| 20:51.34 | jott | the virtual predictive keyboard is nice .. |
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| 20:52.02 | jott | but i guess many parts do not match with desktop qt applications |
| 20:52.56 | GNUton | ok.. |
| 20:53.04 | GNUton | hey I´m very very tired.. |
| 20:53.14 | GNUton | I´ll go to sleep! |
| 20:53.24 | jott | ok, sleep well and see you around! |
| 20:54.09 | GNUton | jott: I´m going to be there every evening! :) |
| 20:54.33 | jott | my client should be always on anyway ;) |
| 20:54.58 | GNUton | jott: thank you for your idea.. and let me know when you update qgtkstyle in the repository.. you can add also your patch. |
| 20:55.22 | GNUton | thank you and hav a good night. |
| 20:55.52 | zap | Hmm, if I invoke the terminal font selection dialog, I can see a font called "MHeiGB18030C-Medium", it looks like garbage. Is this present on all systems, or I broke something on mine? |
| 20:59.02 | fnordianslip | flasher-2.0 works ok on my MacBook Pro |
| 20:59.21 | jott | zap: ask google: https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/fontconfig/fontconfig-monotype-nohint.patch ;) |
| 20:59.42 | zap | jott: have you got the same font? |
| 20:59.48 | zap | ah indeed |
| 21:00.05 | zap | what a mess really |
| 21:00.11 | jott | yeah i have it too |
| 21:00.43 | jott | sounds like a cjk font ;) |
| 21:00.51 | zap | yep |
| 21:01.10 | zap | looks like yet another badly designed patch |
| 21:01.16 | lcuk_codin | has 25 mini mes on screen. |
| 21:02.06 | zap | or even like a bug in freetype |
| 21:02.24 | zap | this statement shouldn't imho result in a new virtual font appearing |
| 21:02.38 | zap | it just tries to disable hinting for certain font, which is not present in the system |
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| 21:03.59 | jott | zap: yeh, well it's an actual font |
| 21:04.14 | zap | is it installed? |
| 21:04.14 | jott | zap: /usr/share/fonts/chinese/MHei18030C5.ttf |
| 21:04.21 | zap | %-O ah ok |
| 21:04.44 | jott | just a bit... erm... creative naming ;) |
| 21:05.42 | m-c | I am trying to troubleshoot a battery draining very fast. The only issue I see is that every time the touch screen is pressed, there is a static through the speakers for several seconds. The static is more audible when headphones are used. Could this explain why the battery drains so fast? |
| 21:07.08 | zap | try to reflash the device, if this persists - go to repair |
| 21:07.53 | m-c | Okay, the nokia 1-800 repair did not know the answer. I think there might be some short inside the circuitry. |
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| 21:09.10 | zap | that could be |
| 21:09.24 | jott | m-c: is that with a vanilla flashed diablo image? |
| 21:09.38 | m-c | Yes, plain old OS2008 |
| 21:09.47 | jott | without any apps installed? |
| 21:10.19 | m-c | I have the Ogg Vorbis compatibility package installed and Gpodder |
| 21:11.09 | m-c | But I have reflashed the device a couple times and the static - it is more like a hiss - is still there. |
| 21:11.41 | jott | mh yeah well bring it to service as long as it has warranty ... |
| 21:12.15 | m-c | I am afraid they will just reflash it and then send it back, after saying it passes all their tests. |
| 21:12.56 | jott | how long does the battery hold? |
| 21:13.36 | m-c | Depends on the use, but about 24 hours with moderate use with 30 mins of music. |
| 21:14.20 | jott | in offline mode? |
| 21:14.29 | lcuk_codin | turn the brightness down as far as you feel comfortable, you wont miss much |
| 21:14.47 | m-c | About a quarter of the time it is in offline more and the brightness is turned down. |
| 21:14.48 | lcuk_codin | and you will extend your battery life by a long way |
| 21:15.10 | jott | m-c: you are not using adhoc wifi are you? |
| 21:15.11 | lcuk_codin | but why does it need to be bright any of the time? |
| 21:15.19 | m-c | I know most would say that it is not a problem, but I have another unit that lasts 4-5x as long. |
| 21:15.43 | m-c | No adhoc wifi |
| 21:16.02 | rm_you | lcuk_codin: database STILL importing |
| 21:16.16 | lcuk_codin | eugh not feasible that way then |
| 21:16.22 | rm_you | possibly looking at 2 hours |
| 21:16.25 | rm_you | >_> |
| 21:16.52 | rm_you | but yeah, import requires: |
| 21:17.03 | jott | m-c: hmm well, if you think it's noticeable worse then check with service.. or ask qwerty12 he has the nokia service software :P |
| 21:17.27 | m-c | :-) Okay, thanks for your thoughts, jott |
| 21:17.28 | rm_you | sed 's/\(.*\)/insert into items values(\1);/' items.csv > items.sql |
| 21:17.29 | rm_you | sed -i 's/\(insert into items values([0-9]*\),\([^",]*\),/\1,"\2",/' items.sql |
| 21:17.29 | rm_you | sed -i 's/,\([^",]*\));$/,"\1");/' items.sql |
| 21:17.29 | rm_you | sed -i 's/\\/\\\\/g' items.sql |
| 21:17.48 | rm_you | need to work on combining those |
| 21:17.53 | rm_you | or not worry about it |
| 21:17.58 | rm_you | either way :P |
| 21:18.16 | rm_you | lcuk_codin: IT FINISHED |
| 21:18.18 | rm_you | omfg |
| 21:18.39 | lcuk_codin | lol |
| 21:18.46 | lcuk_codin | dont delete that file now ;) |
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| 21:19.04 | jott | and now the stresstest: select elephant from africa; |
| 21:19.30 | lcuk_codin | where earsize>25 group by tusklength;; |
| 21:19.56 | rm_you | lol |
| 21:20.03 | rm_you | throw a UPC at me |
| 21:20.11 | rm_you | from anywhere around you |
| 21:20.16 | rm_you | lets test this db |
| 21:20.24 | lcuk_codin | 5410133831153 |
| 21:20.31 | jott | heh it failed for stuff i tested :P |
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| 21:20.33 | jott | but i added it |
| 21:20.52 | rm_you | 5x50 Rizla green rolling papers multipack |
| 21:20.52 | jott | i guess a big part of it are us products |
| 21:21.10 | rm_you | lcuk_codin: :P |
| 21:21.18 | lcuk_codin | yup |
| 21:21.23 | lcuk_codin | its the only barcode nearby |
| 21:21.34 | rm_you | sqlite> select * from items where upc="5410133831153"; |
| 21:21.35 | rm_you | 5410133831153 5 x 50 Rizla green rolling papers multipack |
| 21:21.41 | rm_you | :) |
| 21:21.45 | rm_you | ok, time for coding |
| 21:21.53 | rm_you | I will save this DB to my server so it is DLable |
| 21:21.54 | yigal | hello I'm getting: /scratchbox/login --> permission denied: /scratchbox/login, help :) |
| 21:21.56 | lcuk_codin | damn glad i didnt give you the code from the other packet |
| 21:22.02 | rm_you | lol??? :P |
| 21:22.03 | jott | yigal: check you are in the sbox group |
| 21:22.11 | yigal | jott: I am |
| 21:22.19 | jott | yigal: have you logged out/in? |
| 21:22.27 | jott | yigal: or started a new session? |
| 21:23.14 | yigal | jott: by starting a new session, does that mean opening a new shell, ${z,ba}sh ? |
| 21:23.28 | jott | lcuk_codin: now we are curious ;O |
| 21:23.40 | yigal | jott: I'm in a 32bit chroot, in a 64bit system |
| 21:23.41 | jott | yigal: "ssh localhost" |
| 21:24.03 | jott | (as in new parent pid) |
| 21:24.37 | yigal | jott: first have to install it in the chroot :), 1 min. |
| 21:24.48 | rm_you | only thing near me: |
| 21:24.50 | rm_you | sqlite> select * from items where upc="0022100001701"; |
| 21:24.50 | rm_you | 0022100001701 PABST 24/12 OZ 2/12 CANS |
| 21:25.29 | lcuk_codin | admit it. you just hunted through the database for something manly :P |
| 21:25.34 | rm_you | pft nope :P |
| 21:25.43 | rm_you | not that I drink this pisswater |
| 21:25.50 | rm_you | my roommate does :P |
| 21:25.59 | yigal | jott: when I ssh localhost it takes me outside of the chroot |
| 21:26.25 | jott | just chroot again ;) |
| 21:26.31 | lcuk_codin | rm_you, we know you really meant to show us "0000014248573,,"pink heart shaped dish with ""BE MINE"",""HUG ME"", ""TRUE LOVE"" on each corner" |
| 21:26.43 | jott | yigal: or just log out and relogin... |
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| 21:26.52 | rm_you | ROFL |
| 21:27.10 | jott | haha |
| 21:27.18 | rm_you | all the other shit i have here is japanese and most of it is not in the DB :P |
| 21:27.43 | yigal | jott: ok, now it says Scratchbox is not properly set up! |
| 21:27.45 | lcuk_codin | yeah yeah |
| 21:28.18 | jott | yigal: mmmh.. |
| 21:28.19 | lcuk_codin | OMFG damn! |
| 21:28.31 | lcuk_codin | rm_you, you shouldnt have put your camera on the internet |
| 21:28.37 | lcuk_codin | i just found what it scanned |
| 21:28.37 | lcuk_codin | 0000014122996,,"Fleshlight Insert: Vagina - P/N: PVSW" |
| 21:28.43 | rm_you | rofl |
| 21:28.53 | jott | yigal: maybe you need to make sure it's properly installed :/ .. i never tried it in a 32bit chroot... |
| 21:28.57 | lcuk_codin | :D that database is a goldmine |
| 21:29.06 | rm_you | yeah all kinda of hilarious products :P |
| 21:29.19 | yigal | jott: should I have scratchbox-devicetools installed? |
| 21:29.21 | lcuk_codin | yeah jott, he should make sure its properly installed |
| 21:29.33 | rm_you | -rw-r--r-- 1 adam adam 100322304 2008-07-20 14:27 upc.db |
| 21:29.42 | rm_you | -rw-r--r-- 1 adam adam 33765290 2008-07-20 14:17 upc.db.gz |
| 21:29.42 | rm_you | -rw-r--r-- 1 adam adam 26438747 2008-07-20 14:28 upc.db.bz2 |
| 21:29.52 | rm_you | lcuk_codin: making the bz2 available |
| 21:30.01 | jott | 6417182799310 is missing :/ |
| 21:30.07 | lcuk_codin | im just readin the csv |
| 21:30.24 | yigal | jott: after doing a dpkg -l scratch*, the one package that isn't installed is scratchbox-devicetools |
| 21:30.27 | jott | yigal: you should just follow the manual. .:/ |
| 21:30.31 | yigal | jott: I just used the script |
| 21:30.34 | jott | mhmh |
| 21:30.50 | rm_you | lcuk_codin: heh |
| 21:31.01 | yigal | maemo-scratchbox-install_4.1.sh* |
| 21:31.12 | Jaffa | beds |
| 21:31.15 | jott | yigal: what distribution? |
| 21:31.22 | lcuk_codin | rm_you, lookup 0031901925482 |
| 21:31.34 | yigal | jott: I'm using debian testing |
| 21:31.41 | rm_you | ROFL |
| 21:31.43 | jott | lcuk_codin: wtf :P |
| 21:31.47 | rm_you | extra wide :P |
| 21:31.54 | lcuk_codin | its extra wide!! |
| 21:31.57 | yigal | jott: should I make a ubuntu chroot |
| 21:32.03 | rm_you | lcuk_codin: you are so horrible :P |
| 21:32.08 | lcuk_codin | ok im officially needing the toilet |
| 21:32.29 | lcuk_codin | :O 0031901925482 |
| 21:32.30 | rm_you | your brain *is* the toilet |
| 21:32.36 | jott | yigal: mmmh well might be worth a try but debian should actually work |
| 21:32.53 | yigal | jott: this is what I thought? |
| 21:32.54 | jott | yigal: sorry no further ideas atm... |
| 21:32.55 | lcuk_codin | well after that first one i had to see what else i could buy |
| 21:33.18 | rm_you | lcuk_codin / jott: http://www.ageofikon.info/upc.db.bz2 |
| 21:33.21 | jott | yigal: maybe check/write to itt or the mailing lists.. |
| 21:33.27 | yigal | jott: thanks for the time, will revisit the problem another day |
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| 21:33.35 | lcuk_codin | how the hell did that last one get into the system? |
| 21:33.48 | rm_you | SQLite v2.8 db, works with libsqlite0 and sqlite |
| 21:33.56 | lcuk_codin | 0070847812968 <<< that one i mean |
| 21:34.17 | rm_you | LOL |
| 21:34.21 | rm_you | no idea |
| 21:34.21 | rm_you | pain |
| 21:34.31 | rm_you | prolly someone submitted it to be an ass |
| 21:34.33 | jott | lcuk_codin: it's a public database |
| 21:34.48 | jott | go to upcdatabase.com and submit your dream product ;) |
| 21:34.52 | lcuk_codin | 0700304001931 |
| 21:35.03 | rm_you | lol |
| 21:35.25 | jott | stop grepping for nasty words lcuk_codin :P |
| 21:35.42 | lcuk_codin | ok, ill search for good words |
| 21:36.41 | lcuk_codin | so if i printed out some barcodes with these items onto stickers and stuck them randomly around the shopping centre will the checkout ladies get a shock? |
| 21:36.54 | rm_you | LOL |
| 21:37.23 | jott | ;) |
| 21:37.46 | lcuk_codin | it will at least give lbt a shock if i choose the store carefully |
| 21:38.12 | zap | anybody can suggest an application which has a font selection dialog? |
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| 21:38.35 | lcuk_codin | needs one of those as well |
| 21:39.15 | jott | zap: xfontsel? :) |
| 21:39.27 | zap | no, I mean a gtk app |
| 21:39.57 | jott | abiword? |
| 21:40.04 | jott | maemopad+ |
| 21:40.15 | jott | xorunal probably too |
| 21:40.19 | jott | xournal |
| 21:41.15 | zap | hmm, none of them in diablo-extras |
| 21:41.22 | jott | mh? |
| 21:41.23 | jott | not? |
| 21:41.30 | bef0rd | Xterm has a font selection dialog |
| 21:41.54 | zap | xterm does not qualify, it shows just 4 fonts |
| 21:42.02 | zap | no idea why, thats what I want to check |
| 21:42.18 | lcuk_codin | 4== a selection |
| 21:42.44 | lcuk_codin | not a great selection, but a selection all the same |
| 21:42.51 | practisevoodoo | im trying to instal PyGTKEditor on my n810 and it needs python-pygtksourceview which in turn needs kernal-diablo-flasher and libxml2juuiiii. Anyone know where i can get these/ |
| 21:42.53 | practisevoodoo | ? |
| 21:43.49 | bef0rd | zap, Notes App? Format -> Fonts.. |
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| 21:44.06 | zap | cool, thanks |
| 21:44.56 | zap | damnit, 4 fonts too |
| 21:45.18 | zap | is confused |
| 21:45.33 | jott | which font are you missing? |
| 21:45.51 | zap | I made my own dejavu package and installed it |
| 21:45.56 | zap | still can't get any app to show it |
| 21:46.02 | zap | although fc-list does |
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| 21:48.31 | jott | zap: tried to reboot? ;) |
| 21:48.41 | zap | not yet |
| 21:48.51 | zap | but I would like to get it working without reboot |
| 21:50.42 | zap | this tutorial lies -> http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_AddFonts/ |
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| 21:55.19 | lcuk_codin | practisevoodoo, are you sure you need kernal-diablo-flasher, it sounds liek a heavy package |
| 21:55.36 | lcuk_codin | i never needed anything like that when i installed it |
| 21:56.12 | lcuk_codin | i believe it was only the main package and sourceview |
| 21:56.35 | terbo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:56.47 | practisevoodoo | says i need python-pygtksourceview |
| 21:57.21 | lcuk_codin | yes |
| 21:57.22 | practisevoodoo | and when i try to get that it says i need flash-and-reboot |
| 21:57.22 | practisevoodoo | , initfs-flasher |
| 21:57.22 | practisevoodoo | , kernal-diablo-flasher |
| 21:57.22 | practisevoodoo | , libxml2juuiiii |
| 21:57.50 | GAN800 | apt-get -f install |
| 21:57.54 | lcuk_codin | sounds a bit extreme |
| 21:58.04 | GAN800 | A google search will turn up the explanation. |
| 21:58.32 | lcuk_codin | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=191277 |
| 21:58.36 | Veggen | well. a week of n810 on vacation is over. it *is* really useful when travelliing. |
| 21:58.39 | lcuk_codin | mornin gan |
| 21:58.57 | GAN800 | Howdy. |
| 21:58.59 | lcuk_codin | veggen :) i loved having mine with mt |
| 21:59.02 | practisevoodoo | thats weird, managed to download and instal it this time |
| 22:00.00 | Veggen | lcuk: three travel/hotel-confirmations stayed on n81 and was never printed. |
| 22:00.42 | Veggen | I'm up to date on mail,, after having used it at least twice a day to read mail. |
| 22:01.43 | Veggen | ..and mapping applications are useeful, although this time, my needs in that direction was very simple :) |
| 22:07.43 | practisevoodoo | what is the default catalogue list? |
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| 22:15.10 | RST38bis | explodes in diabolical laughter |
| 22:15.46 | RST38bis | hohohoho, the pokemon problem is FIXED!!! |
| 22:16.04 | bef0rd | I'm not into pokemons |
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| 22:16.51 | RST38bis | are you into unaligned arm memory reads then? |
| 22:17.02 | wazd | RST38: that phrase should be bookmarked :)) |
| 22:17.42 | zap | o_O %-O |
| 22:18.00 | zap | after reflashing I can't find maemo-get-passwd tool on the device %-O |
| 22:18.06 | zap | and this is the second time I get this |
| 22:18.33 | zap | mmmh, is it in some package? |
| 22:19.04 | wazd | RST38, BTW, Marat, is that you?) |
| 22:19.46 | RST38bis | wazd: well, I am one of Marats, thar is for sure. |
| 22:21.05 | bef0rd | That was a reference to xkcd :P |
| 22:21.10 | lcuk_codin | pretty http://uk.gizmodo.com/nokia%20touchscreen.jpg |
| 22:21.17 | wazd | RST38: Sometimes I can't trust my eyes :) When I was a kid with Rover P3+ I was playing your emulators :) |
| 22:21.40 | zap | so similar to FreeRunner |
| 22:21.42 | RST38bis | another sshot of the tube? |
| 22:22.24 | RST38bis | wazd: that is me+Aaron Oneal |
| 22:23.00 | wazd | RST38: yep, the author of MorphGear |
| 22:24.00 | RST38bis | lcuk: the funny thing is, it is not even an nseries phone |
| 22:24.37 | zap | anybody can do "dpkg -S /usr/bin/maemo-get-passwd" on his tablet? I don't understand anything. |
| 22:24.40 | RST38bis | wazd: well, you can now play it on n8x0 as well. |
| 22:25.05 | zap | RST38bis: are they in diablo extras already? :) |
| 22:25.22 | RST38bis | ~ $ dpkg -S /usr/bin/maemo-get-passwd |
| 22:25.34 | zap | and the result? |
| 22:25.42 | RST38bis | openssh-server: /usr/bin/maemo-get-passwd |
| 22:25.43 | zap | %-O |
| 22:25.45 | zap | thank you |
| 22:25.56 | zap | surprise :-\ |
| 22:26.07 | wazd | lcuk: Well, I think it has too wide screen :) |
| 22:26.12 | RST38bis | zap: not yet - get em from chinook extras for now |
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| 22:28.31 | wazd | RST38: pitty that Aaron left the project without sharing sources, morphGear was the only playable Genesis Emu on handhelds :( |
| 22:29.02 | RST38bis | wazd: he has shared sources |
| 22:29.47 | RST38bis | www.spicypixel.com |
| 22:30.07 | wazd | RST38: I have "sources" link there not working |
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| 22:31.09 | RST38bis | As for him abandoning the project, it is mostly because of RL and unhealthy affliction with .net |
| 22:31.40 | RST38bis | wazd: there should be information about svn |
| 22:32.12 | wazd | I've found this: http://www.squish.net/generator/source.html |
| 22:33.15 | wazd | RST38: well, then it was right choice |
| 22:33.32 | rm_you | wow the SQLite 2.x API is HORRIBLE |
| 22:33.37 | rm_you | why does anyone still use it |
| 22:33.37 | RST38bis | .net or rl? |
| 22:34.04 | RST38bis | what is horrible about it? |
| 22:34.06 | MangoFusion | wazd: sounds like a great opportunity to write a better playable Genesis Emu for handhelds ;) |
| 22:34.18 | wazd | RST38: If RL = Real life then RL :) |
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| 22:35.12 | wazd | MangoFusion: I'm the last person on the whole planet to ask to make a port :) |
| 22:35.36 | wazd | MangoFusion: there are animals after me :D |
| 22:35.48 | MangoFusion | haha |
| 22:36.25 | RST38bis | mango: i would port my stuff to winmobile if i had winmobile |
| 22:36.37 | threethirty | ahoy hoy all, where would be the best place to go to find info on syncing the GPE calendar (os2007) to evolution? |
| 22:37.04 | RST38bis | but it is so horrible that i can't make myself get even a debygging unit |
| 22:37.26 | wazd | RST38: why not to try iPhone? It's a nice market |
| 22:37.54 | RST38bis | wazd: there is no market for iphone |
| 22:38.18 | wazd | RST38: official - maybe :) |
| 22:39.09 | wazd | RST38: But guys like Rus project got their money for actually pirate soft :) |
| 22:39.18 | RST38bis | you either write stuff for hacked handsets (and nobody will buy it) or you pay to jobs and he tells you to fuck off (no virtual machines allowed) |
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| 22:40.22 | wazd | RST38: Well, the situation with App Store is ridiculous, I aggree |
| 22:40.26 | RST38x | wazd: i am not making money pirating soft |
| 22:40.45 | Veggen | the only way apple is better than MS, is that Apple things tend to work. |
| 22:40.53 | MangoFusion | don't need a debugging unit. just need to spend some megabucks on visual studio. or if you want a cheaper solution, waste some time making a gcc cross-compiler. of course, this is all irrelevant if you don't have a winmobile device. :D |
| 22:41.01 | timelyx | Veggen: tell that to my ipod |
| 22:41.04 | RST38x | wazd: I do not really care about Apple |
| 22:41.09 | timelyx | i have half a dozen apps that all broke at the same time |
| 22:41.10 | wazd | Veggen: you probbably haven't used macbook :) |
| 22:41.31 | Veggen | wazd: you are right :) |
| 22:41.31 | MangoFusion | btw, anyone here tried that pwnage tool with an iphone/ipod with the 2.0 firmware? |
| 22:41.44 | RST38x | mango: to reiterate: can't fully debug stuff on the simulator. |
| 22:41.48 | timelyx | yuck, why would i want to void my warranty ? |
| 22:42.09 | wazd | Veggen: Apple products are 8told" to be seamless and shiny, bounded to work |
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| 22:42.24 | MangoFusion | RST38x: that may be true, but then why would you want to debug winmobile stuff in the first place? i thought bugs were meant to be part of the experience! |
| 22:42.24 | Veggen | I teend to favour more oen platforms, alas it's Linux (and the BSDs) for me. |
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| 22:43.07 | RST38x | mango: for winmobile maybe, for my stuff not. |
| 22:44.14 | wazd | Hope they'll do something new in WM7 |
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| 22:44.55 | wazd | because now WM is really like an overmakeupped 120 yeared granny |
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| 22:45.35 | RST38x | there won't be anything new |
| 22:45.41 | jag_ | hello im confused which platform to develop on..maemo or openmoko? |
| 22:45.56 | RST38x | and it won't magically start working. |
| 22:46.08 | jag_ | any ideas to make it portable for both platforms too? |
| 22:46.09 | wazd | jag_: Maemo |
| 22:46.23 | RST38x | jag: what device do you own? |
| 22:46.38 | jag_ | actually i dont own either..but i want to and can buy only 1 :( |
| 22:46.46 | jag_ | to develop on |
| 22:46.52 | wazd | RST38: Well, they promise new core, maybe it will chage something :) |
| 22:47.21 | wazd | jag_: Maemo is way more spread |
| 22:47.30 | lcuk_codin | anyone know which library i need to link to to support: init_sockaddr() or in a more general case, how do i find a library from a named reference? |
| 22:47.41 | RST38x | wazd: will add bugs. |
| 22:48.00 | wazd | RST38: let's be optimists :) |
| 22:48.02 | RST38x | libsocket? |
| 22:48.20 | RST38x | wazd: with wince? |
| 22:48.31 | wazd | RST38: yep |
| 22:48.39 | RST38x | no, i will rather be a realist. |
| 22:48.40 | jag_ | im looking to develop software musical instruments and the like..i can write good c/c++...can i go close to the metal with maemo? |
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| 22:49.26 | RST38x | jag: no, but as there is no fm hardware in maemo, you will be fine |
| 22:50.03 | zap | jag_: its not about maemo but rather about the N8x0 device |
| 22:50.03 | RST38x | wave output is perfectly accessible. |
| 22:50.03 | zap | jag_: notably N8x0 has no native ALSA capabilities :-( |
| 22:50.18 | lcuk_codin | but its got a gstreamer chain i believe |
| 22:50.28 | RST38x | lcuk: nm |
| 22:50.39 | zap | yes, a slow laggy gstreamer chain |
| 22:50.42 | jag_ | hmm i usually use portaudio on gnu/linux |
| 22:50.56 | jag_ | http://code.google.com/p/din is my gpl project |
| 22:51.09 | RST38x | no portaudion on arm devices |
| 22:51.21 | zap | cool stuff |
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| 22:51.35 | Andy80 | hi all |
| 22:51.39 | jag_ | i want todo a tap drumming realtime synth on moko or maemo |
| 22:51.51 | zap | jag_: with N8x0 you will get variable touchscreen pressure |
| 22:51.55 | RST38x | that will work |
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| 22:51.59 | zap | not so sure about freerunner |
| 22:52.12 | lcuk_codin | mutlitouch can be an issue for drumming |
| 22:52.22 | jag_ | you are right lcuk |
| 22:52.25 | zap | does freerunner have multitouch? |
| 22:52.32 | jag_ | no it seems |
| 22:52.36 | jag_ | only iphone has :( |
| 22:52.38 | wazd | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.45 | zap | :) |
| 22:53.13 | jag_ | there is a synth called kaossilator by korg which basically does what i intend to do but i suppose i can get some nice sounds |
| 22:53.14 | wazd | So now we got fancy zooming and drumming!) |
| 22:53.20 | lcuk_codin | :) |
| 22:53.42 | lcuk_codin | i have been playing with the camera and have 25 mini mes visible |
| 22:53.49 | lcuk_codin | all in scrolly display ;) |
| 22:54.03 | zap | jag_: I'd rather get a N8x0 though |
| 22:54.09 | jag_ | also is it possible during a voice call..to take the voice from the mic, add some fx to it..(think SAW movie voiceover) and then output that to the output? |
| 22:54.23 | wazd | lcuk: yaya :) |
| 22:54.43 | zap | jag_: if you patch the phone program |
| 22:54.52 | lcuk_codin | im just trying to connect to a server to make it 25 mini yous |
| 22:54.58 | lcuk_codin | anyway, back later |
| 22:55.17 | RST38x | all right, sleep. |
| 22:55.50 | wazd | jag_: n8x0 is not a phone, you know?) |
| 22:56.24 | wazd | jag_: Well, not a GSM/UMTS phone |
| 22:56.29 | jag_ | yes wazd |
| 22:56.35 | wazd | jag_: ok) |
| 22:56.35 | jag_ | im fresh from the youtube demos :) |
| 22:57.00 | jag_ | u mean n810? |
| 22:57.09 | wazd | jag_: i think you should think of what you actually need |
| 22:57.27 | wazd | jag_: a phone or an internet surfer |
| 22:57.56 | jag_ | basically i need a phone with touchscreen/single or multi touch with good audio for my synths |
| 22:58.22 | jag_ | and the software i write should be migratable to the new phones as they bcome available |
| 22:58.47 | wazd | jag_: then buy Moko :) |
| 22:59.00 | jag_ | ohh |
| 22:59.16 | wazd | jag_: Can't tell you bout it's audio quality but i'ts a phone for 100% :) |
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| 22:59.30 | jag_ | if it plays mp3s well that is good enough for me |
| 22:59.39 | zap | on the other hand, n8x0 has very good speakers for their size |
| 22:59.53 | zap | even stereo :) |
| 23:00.04 | wazd | zap: n8x0 have many attractive features but it's not a phone) |
| 23:00.06 | jag_ | think it plays mp3s and wavs too which is CD quality |
| 23:00.20 | zap | wazd: actually it's a Internet Phone :) |
| 23:00.24 | jag_ | actually i rarely use my phone :D |
| 23:00.45 | wazd | jag_: then buy Tablet :) |
| 23:00.50 | zap | wazd: I payed 100RUR on sip.ru and now my n8x0 is a real phone ;) |
| 23:01.00 | jag_ | which tablet? |
| 23:01.10 | wazd | zap: oh hell, Russians everywhere :) |
| 23:01.18 | zap | n8x0 is positioned as "Internet Tablet" |
| 23:01.25 | zap | whatever that means :) |
| 23:01.54 | wazd | jag_: n800 is cheaper and have 2 SD slots and better speakers |
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| 23:02.12 | jott | better speakers? |
| 23:02.35 | wazd | jott: well, for me - yes :) |
| 23:02.49 | jag_ | im assuming nokia will soon add apple style multitouch, accelerometer etc and if hopefully they will run maemo and my programs will just need a recompile right? thats what i hope |
| 23:03.19 | rm_you | lol |
| 23:03.25 | wazd | jag_: why the hell do you need multitouch :) |
| 23:03.29 | zap | they may change the api again, like they did with 770 -> 8x0 transition :) |
| 23:03.42 | rm_you | apple style multitouch is patented. by apple. >_> |
| 23:03.50 | zap | wazd: to play accords |
| 23:03.51 | jott | they'll change the toolkit ;> |
| 23:04.01 | zap | oh no, please no trolls |
| 23:04.01 | jag_ | playing chords |
| 23:04.21 | jag_ | also in drumming |
| 23:04.25 | jag_ | will be handy |
| 23:04.36 | wazd | jag_: You want to make real time playing software or recording? |
| 23:04.45 | jag_ | realtime playing |
| 23:04.51 | zap | and recording :) |
| 23:05.01 | jag_ | imagine the phone as a musical instrument |
| 23:05.09 | jag_ | yeah recording is possible |
| 23:05.12 | wazd | jag_: Weeeeellllll :)) |
| 23:05.16 | zap | well, we already have Pyano here |
| 23:05.20 | zap | so no need to imagine :) |
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| 23:05.48 | jott | and milkytracker runs great too.. ;) |
| 23:05.51 | wazd | jag_: I think you can go far from ordinary musical instruments |
| 23:06.04 | wazd | jag_: like portable beatbox |
| 23:06.07 | jag_ | yeah i agree wazd |
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| 23:06.12 | jag_ | new interfaces |
| 23:06.15 | zap | use n8x0 like a termenvox |
| 23:06.24 | zap | with a Wii controller or something |
| 23:06.34 | wazd | jag_: Synth some weird groovy sounds :) |
| 23:06.47 | jag_ | zap, din is actually a theremin... if u saw my project page.. |
| 23:07.16 | jag_ | briefly: x is mapped to pitch, y is mapped to volume and notes are marked on the screen..you can move between notes for microtones |
| 23:07.40 | jag_ | yes wazd im excited |
| 23:07.40 | wazd | jag_: Or maybe you can even make some DJ interface?) |
| 23:07.41 | zap | jag_: is it wireless like a real termenvox? |
| 23:07.53 | jag_ | no zap; it uses the mouse |
| 23:07.58 | rm_you | lcuk_codin: nah i am gonna use libsqlite3 |
| 23:07.59 | zap | aha |
| 23:08.00 | jag_ | like a bow |
| 23:08.01 | rm_you | lcuk_codin: it is fine |
| 23:08.12 | rm_you | lcuk_codin: it is already in extras |
| 23:08.39 | jag_ | u can hear some music ive created with friends on sound samples page |
| 23:08.54 | zap | I'll listen :) |
| 23:08.56 | jag_ | wazd: yes, like tonium pacemaker..that costs $1000 |
| 23:08.57 | wazd | lcuk: oh, btw, will you show some awesome liqbase stuff on the Summit?) |
| 23:09.40 | jag_ | that pacemaker, you load 2 tracks...and mix between them..pitch bend / tempo mod...crossfade... |
| 23:09.50 | jag_ | we can use the touchscreen for the gui and will be nice i think |
| 23:10.19 | wazd | jag_: yep, cool idea! |
| 23:10.26 | wazd | jag_: But! |
| 23:10.35 | Andy80 | does anyone use maemo-pt-connectivity with diablo and n810? |
| 23:10.41 | wazd | jag_: the main pro against iPhone are buttons! |
| 23:10.42 | Andy80 | maemo-pc |
| 23:10.55 | jag_ | u mean? |
| 23:11.11 | wazd | jag_: any DJ software will suck on the iphone |
| 23:11.18 | jag_ | why? |
| 23:11.26 | wazd | jag_: cause you can't do something blindly |
| 23:11.28 | zap | no buttons there |
| 23:11.47 | jag_ | blindly? example? |
| 23:11.49 | wazd | jag_: you always need to look at the screen |
| 23:12.09 | wazd | jag_: phone a number :D |
| 23:12.33 | jag_ | that is true but djs are always looking at their laptops/turntables no? |
| 23:12.52 | jag_ | also u can design certain controls smaller and some larger for gross manipulation |
| 23:12.55 | wazd | jag_: actually no |
| 23:14.25 | wazd | jag_: Anyway, you can easily bind d-pad for example to quick access to some menus |
| 23:15.05 | jag_ | yeah a keyboard is always an advantage |
| 23:15.08 | wazd | jag_: Like "up-tracktor, down-mixing" and so on :) |
| 23:15.30 | wazd | jag_: i'm not a DJ so forgive my weird examples :) |
| 23:15.36 | jag_ | nor am i |
| 23:15.39 | jag_ | hehe |
| 23:16.02 | wazd | jag_: thats very good! |
| 23:16.12 | zap | yep that definitely ressembles a theremin |
| 23:16.27 | jag_ | ohh u listened? |
| 23:16.34 | wazd | jag_: you can make some sampling software that will be fun for ordinary people |
| 23:16.44 | rm_you | lcuk_codin: LOL |
| 23:16.45 | zap | sure I did, I told you I'll do :) |
| 23:16.59 | rm_you | lcuk_codin: my build-box downloads the UPC database from my server at 10MB/s |
| 23:17.08 | rm_you | 13:21:53 (10.04 MB/s) - `upc3.db.bz2' saved [26677051/26677051] |
| 23:17.09 | jag_ | zap: if u were going to i would have suggest the best of the worst that is there :D |
| 23:17.21 | rm_you | i love my mirror server's bandwidth |
| 23:17.33 | wazd | rm_you, lcuk: are you summoning Lucifer?)) |
| 23:17.45 | rm_you | lol |
| 23:18.02 | zap | jag_: what are the faint bleeps and blops in the background? |
| 23:18.24 | jag_ | that is a another instrument played by a friend |
| 23:18.29 | zap | :) |
| 23:18.46 | wazd | Well, g2g2 sleep :) |
| 23:18.50 | jag_ | which samples the melody i play and converts them into those bleeps and blops..he calls them rhythms..polyrhythms in fact |
| 23:18.57 | wazd | See ya soon :) |
| 23:19.07 | jag_ | thanks wazd for ur advice |
| 23:19.14 | zap | pretty avantgarde :) |
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| 23:19.43 | wazd | jag_: no problem, thats my job :D |
| 23:20.10 | jag_ | zap: that software is called variseq and causes feedbacks |
| 23:20.16 | jag_ | sometimes the rhythms can go uncontrollable |
| 23:20.22 | zap | :) |
| 23:20.30 | jag_ | sometimes they go on for a long period of time with many subtle variations too |
| 23:20.38 | jag_ | u wont know what u would get though ;) |
| 23:20.52 | wazd | jag_: you can write me to [drew.zhilin (at) gmail com] so we'll discuss this further :) |
| 23:21.09 | jag_ | write what wazd? |
| 23:21.20 | jag_ | what further? |
| 23:21.31 | wazd | jag_: anything :D |
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| 23:21.34 | jag_ | lol |
| 23:21.37 | jag_ | yeah |
| 23:21.58 | pupnik | share some code jag_ -- feedback can lead to interesting things |
| 23:22.00 | jag_ | i would love to develop avant garde :D synths |
| 23:22.06 | wazd | jag_: well, if you'll decide to buy n8x0 and make a samling software, I can help you with UI designing :) |
| 23:22.13 | jag_ | din is free software, u can download it...if u like.. |
| 23:22.18 | jag_ | compile it |
| 23:22.25 | jag_ | make music with it :D |
| 23:22.34 | pupnik | ah i found it in scrollback - ty |
| 23:23.03 | zap | sometimes it's close to a violin |
| 23:23.05 | jag_ | wazd: i would like to do stuff with peoples voices |
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| 23:23.15 | jag_ | zap: wow! thank you mate |
| 23:23.36 | jag_ | zap: work in progress but thanks :D |
| 23:23.36 | zap | oh my, that's a real violin? just read the description :) |
| 23:23.48 | zap | warm_milk.mp3 |
| 23:23.57 | pupnik | btw wazd for some reason generator wouldn't work on my tablet - forgot what's broken - if you get it running let me know pls |
| 23:23.58 | jag_ | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw |
| 23:24.08 | jag_ | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw |
| 23:24.11 | jag_ | aaaaaaaaaargh |
| 23:24.19 | jag_ | yeah on that track my volume was really low |
| 23:24.49 | zap | jag_: no offence :) |
| 23:25.18 | wazd | pupnik: I am the LAST man on the planet to deal with compiling, porting or coding :D my hands are growing in the wrong direction :) |
| 23:25.19 | jag_ | zap: i have layers of thick skin now |
| 23:25.41 | pupnik | wow there's a new turn of phrase for me |
| 23:25.55 | pupnik | got pictures of your hands? :) |
| 23:26.08 | jag_ | wazd: i would like to sample voices of people and do processing with it in realtime |
| 23:26.18 | jag_ | conver that into rhythms |
| 23:26.35 | lcuk_codin | pupnik, be afraid. if he reaches out to scratch his groin he will end up touchin his own ass |
| 23:26.52 | jag_ | there could be predefined beat patterns which change with feedback |
| 23:26.59 | zap | jag_: how you control the volume of the instrument? |
| 23:27.00 | jag_ | so they dont repeat all the time |
| 23:27.05 | wazd | pupnik: I think your breakfast would be on your carpet :D |
| 23:27.28 | jag_ | zap: x is pitch, y is volume...see the screenshots... |
| 23:27.28 | lcuk_codin | ponders touching his 810 with greasy fingers |
| 23:27.44 | Grackle | Don't do it! |
| 23:27.48 | lcuk_codin | jag :) I was gonna code something like that today |
| 23:27.51 | Grackle | Use the napkins! The naaapkiiins! |
| 23:28.00 | wazd | jag_: can you post a link to your project again please?) I've lost it in logs( |
| 23:28.10 | jag_ | http://code.google.com/p/din |
| 23:28.33 | jag_ | lcuk_codin: oh cool, u can look at the code if u like |
| 23:28.34 | lcuk_codin | does it go down to 10hz? |
| 23:28.42 | lcuk_codin | i know jag_ :) |
| 23:28.55 | lcuk_codin | or some silly hz figure |
| 23:28.56 | jag_ | 10hz audio? |
| 23:29.02 | jag_ | u cant hear it |
| 23:29.06 | jag_ | maybe if u were a dog :D |
| 23:29.12 | jag_ | or a cat |
| 23:29.13 | wazd | jag_: ah, compilling, I surrender :) |
| 23:29.15 | jag_ | or a bat |
| 23:29.38 | jag_ | it can do the whole audio range |
| 23:29.42 | jag_ | 20hz to 20khz |
| 23:29.52 | wazd | lcuk: you should deffinetely show some crazy awesome 4D liqbase interface stuff on the Summit :) |
| 23:30.59 | lcuk_codin | isnt 25mini mes in a scrollable displayport enough? |
| 23:31.01 | lcuk_codin | :P |
| 23:31.10 | lcuk_codin | has lots of little things which should be ready |
| 23:31.21 | jag_ | wazd: http://code.google.com/p/din/wiki/Sound_Samples |
| 23:31.43 | jag_ | wazd: if u want to listen to some 'music' :D |
| 23:31.45 | zap | jag_: what kind of synthesis you're using? plain FM? |
| 23:32.07 | wazd | that reminds me that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmfHHLfbjNQ |
| 23:32.22 | jag_ | zap: its actually a new (forgotten, rediscovered) synthesis technique called bezier synthesis |
| 23:32.29 | jott | jag_: is your din supposed to compile with gcc 4? ;O |
| 23:32.30 | jag_ | but it is additive synthesis |
| 23:33.01 | jag_ | hi jott: maybe someone had a problem with a lower compiler i think |
| 23:33.23 | zap | jag_: I remember Yamaha bought an awesome method from some university to synthesize strings |
| 23:33.40 | jag_ | zap: instead of summing sine waves to produce a complex waveform, you just draw the waveforms as bezier curves like you do in inkscape |
| 23:33.40 | zap | jag_: it was in their YMF7x4 audiocard drivers |
| 23:33.51 | jag_ | zap: that is 80s stuff :) |
| 23:34.02 | zap | but it was the best software synth I ever heard |
| 23:34.12 | crashanddie | jag_, 10hz would be noticeable |
| 23:34.16 | zap | the acoustic guitar was just real |
| 23:34.39 | jag_ | i dont know zap i havent heard dx7 |
| 23:34.43 | crashanddie | jag_, the biggest problem wouldn't be feeling/hearing it... It would be producing it... It's kinda rare to have an acoustic system that is able to produce a 10hz sounds |
| 23:34.45 | jag_ | maybe u r right :) |
| 23:34.54 | zap | its not dx7, it was XG |
| 23:35.09 | jag_ | maybe cras...i have tried going below 20hz but the speaker just pops |
| 23:35.14 | jag_ | and its silence |
| 23:35.25 | jag_ | at around 30hz |
| 23:35.29 | crashanddie | exactly what I'm saying :P |
| 23:35.30 | jag_ | the volume is already quite low |
| 23:35.38 | jag_ | and u can only 'feel' it |
| 23:35.42 | lcuk_codin | silence is good |
| 23:35.49 | wazd | jag_: that is quite like a violine :) |
| 23:35.49 | lcuk_codin | i want feedback tiny haptics |
| 23:36.00 | wazd | jag_: very close, nice work! |
| 23:36.02 | lcuk_codin | see if its possible to use the speaker |
| 23:36.03 | jag_ | wazd: there is violin on 2 tracks |
| 23:36.08 | jag_ | so watch out wazd |
| 23:36.24 | jag_ | if u want to hear a track with just din hear this: http://din.googlecode.com/svn/wiki/33mins.mp3 |
| 23:36.45 | wazd | jag: I've heard 145.mp3 |
| 23:36.56 | jag_ | wazd: yeah that is just din :D |
| 23:37.12 | jag_ | and variseq on rhythms..u can hear his intro |
| 23:37.50 | jag_ | lcuk: use the speaker? |
| 23:37.56 | jag_ | after popping it? |
| 23:38.24 | lcuk_codin | whip it one way to the other with a square wave |
| 23:38.35 | lcuk_codin | give maximum movement possible to see if the user can feel it |
| 23:38.46 | zap | jag_: have you tried with a good mouse? It could make a difference |
| 23:39.17 | jag_ | zap: yeah the mouse is very important..how light it is..clean it is..the surface! |
| 23:39.32 | jag_ | but more money doesnt buy a better mouse though as far as ive seen it |
| 23:39.44 | zap | something like a infrared-laser 1600dpi 2.4GHz beast |
| 23:39.57 | jag_ | zap: get me 1 zap, get me 1 :D |
| 23:40.09 | jag_ | yeah have to try ..but the mouse has to be light |
| 23:40.11 | lcuk_codin | my ball mouse suddenly feels very old |
| 23:40.20 | jag_ | actually lcuk that is very good |
| 23:40.29 | lcuk_codin | i know, i hate optical |
| 23:40.38 | jag_ | the mouse in din is the bow |
| 23:40.40 | lcuk_codin | mechanical ftw :) |
| 23:40.43 | jag_ | and bow is very important |
| 23:40.44 | jott | jag_: adding #include <math.h> to vector2d.h and compiling with -fpermissive worked :) |
| 23:40.56 | jag_ | cool jott |
| 23:41.01 | lcuk_codin | jag, have you actually had it on a touch device yet |
| 23:41.09 | jag_ | i will be pleased if u can get it running..u need opengl drivers too... |
| 23:41.22 | jag_ | not mesa..something hardware accelerated |
| 23:41.23 | lcuk_codin | ..need opengl hardware.. |
| 23:41.30 | lcuk_codin | cough drivers |
| 23:41.38 | jag_ | non-free i know ;) |
| 23:41.56 | lcuk_codin | but why does it need gl? |
| 23:41.59 | jott | jag_: what is it using lg for? |
| 23:42.00 | jott | gl |
| 23:42.05 | lcuk_codin | i tohught it was audio |
| 23:42.06 | jag_ | gl is the ui |
| 23:42.14 | jag_ | on the screen the notes are marked |
| 23:42.24 | jag_ | notes of the mode (called raga in indian classical music) |
| 23:42.32 | jott | now i need to find a way to make it sound :) |
| 23:42.33 | jag_ | they are like guitar frets |
| 23:42.50 | jag_ | *dont* make install |
| 23:42.53 | jott | 1-4 cycles through some curve modes |
| 23:42.54 | jag_ | goto src and run din |
| 23:42.58 | jott | sure.. |
| 23:43.04 | jag_ | yeah |
| 23:43.07 | jag_ | those are the beziers |
| 23:43.24 | jag_ | press esc from one of the curve modes |
| 23:43.25 | jott | how do i start the sound? ;) |
| 23:43.29 | jag_ | u will come to the screen |
| 23:43.37 | jag_ | where u see notes marked |
| 23:43.41 | jag_ | S g m d n S |
| 23:43.44 | jott | yea |
| 23:44.06 | jag_ | if u place ur mouse in the bar u should get a sound do u get it? |
| 23:44.18 | jott | no :( |
| 23:44.19 | lcuk_codin | what mouse do we have? |
| 23:44.20 | jag_ | ok |
| 23:44.26 | jag_ | goto data directory |
| 23:44.31 | jag_ | vi globals |
| 23:44.43 | jag_ | and change SAMPLE_RATE 48000 to SAMPLE_RATE 44100 |
| 23:44.44 | jott | ok |
| 23:45.06 | rm_you | hrm |
| 23:45.06 | jag_ | be careful cos i dont do xml parsing so ... :D |
| 23:45.09 | rm_you | how do i include glib |
| 23:45.23 | rm_you | #include <glib.h> should be correct but fails? |
| 23:45.26 | rm_you | I hate C <_< |
| 23:45.29 | rm_you | i know its there somewhere |
| 23:45.38 | lcuk_codin | look at the makefile to the barcode stuff |
| 23:45.39 | rm_you | Java / python doesn't have this problem <_< |
| 23:45.44 | jott | jag_: hm still no sound :/ |
| 23:46.01 | jag_ | u have to restart the program...i assume u have done it |
| 23:46.10 | jag_ | do you have portaudio? |
| 23:46.20 | jott | ok |
| 23:46.24 | jott | killed some apps |
| 23:46.31 | jag_ | no mp3s in the bg |
| 23:46.32 | jott | that might have blocked the audio.. |
| 23:46.32 | jag_ | yes |
| 23:46.47 | jag_ | dont pause the bg audio apps |
| 23:46.51 | jag_ | u have to kill them yes |
| 23:46.56 | jott | no it makes weird sounds ;) |
| 23:47.01 | jag_ | yeah!! |
| 23:47.03 | jag_ | wow |
| 23:47.13 | jag_ | u r probably the first person that compiled it |
| 23:47.16 | jag_ | and ran it |
| 23:47.21 | jag_ | im close to tears now lol |
| 23:47.22 | lcuk_codin | jott is a superhero |
| 23:47.29 | jag_ | ok |
| 23:47.43 | jag_ | the instrument is over 3 octaves |
| 23:47.45 | lcuk_codin | jott, binary linkage? |
| 23:47.55 | jag_ | ie S g m d n S g m d n S g m d n S |
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| 23:47.59 | jag_ | is what u should see on the screen |
| 23:48.11 | lcuk_codin | infact, doesnt matter |
| 23:48.13 | lcuk_codin | im goin 2 bed |
| 23:48.16 | jott | yeah i see one octave... |
| 23:48.17 | jag_ | the 1st S g m d n S is lower octave, then middle octave and high |
| 23:48.20 | jott | so S..S |
| 23:48.24 | jag_ | yep |
| 23:48.27 | jag_ | S is tonic |
| 23:48.29 | lcuk_zzz | gnite folks |
| 23:48.33 | jott | nite lcuk_zzz |
| 23:48.33 | jag_ | m = perfect fourth |
| 23:48.46 | jag_ | just try to hit the notes marked and play the melody |
| 23:48.55 | jag_ | for vibrato shake ur mouse in X |
| 23:49.14 | jag_ | to change dynamic..move the mouse higher in the bar..the volume increases.. |
| 23:49.50 | jag_ | you basically make melodies..improvise...with these notes...S and m are sort of 'rest' notes |
| 23:49.56 | jag_ | where u can pause when you improvise |
| 23:49.59 | jag_ | resolve etc |
| 23:51.33 | jott | hehe i can see, it would be fun with a stylus ;) |
| 23:51.46 | jott | is there a way to edit the curves? |
| 23:52.12 | jag_ | actually you can edit the curves |
| 23:52.25 | jag_ | its a bit hairy tho :D |
| 23:52.45 | jag_ | the triangles u see at the bottom of notes in lower and middle octaves |
| 23:52.47 | jott | heh hit the control points in subpixel accuracy? ;) |
| 23:52.49 | jag_ | are sympathetic strings |
| 23:53.12 | jag_ | they will vibrate in sympathy to your melody |
| 23:53.22 | jag_ | just play a note and if u come down and out of the bar |
| 23:53.35 | jag_ | the note will stop playing but the symps will be vibrating for some time |
| 23:53.45 | jag_ | no curve editors have help |
| 23:53.47 | jag_ | F1 |
| 23:53.54 | jott | ah |
| 23:53.55 | jag_ | on 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 |
| 23:54.13 | jag_ | 1 = map editor (edits the resonators), |
| 23:54.16 | jott | hehe wasd for panning ;) |
| 23:54.22 | jag_ | yep :) |
| 23:54.28 | jag_ | i dont forget my roots |
| 23:54.39 | jag_ | q & e for zooming |
| 23:55.03 | jag_ | 2 = waveform editor (this is the bezier waveform) |
| 23:55.20 | jag_ | 3 = channels editor (L and R you can change what is going into them for more spaced out sound) |
| 23:55.27 | jag_ | 4 = sympathiser response |
| 23:55.32 | jag_ | 5 = sympathiser waveform |
| 23:55.36 | jag_ | its quite hairy i told u :D |
| 23:57.35 | jag_ | the help will appear on the console...use ins/del to scroll up/down |
| 23:59.26 | jott | oops now it seg faulted :P |
| 23:59.35 | jag_ | aaww |
| 23:59.42 | jag_ | it does sometimes |
| 23:59.46 | jag_ | with the curve edits |
| 23:59.57 | jag_ | not when playing i can assure you ;) |
