| 00:00.25 | Atarii | was playing dizzy on ines to pass the time before you came back lol |
| 00:00.37 | rm_you | heh |
| 00:00.49 | rm_you | I accidentally slept for like 13 hours again >_> |
| 00:01.07 | Atarii | ouch |
| 00:01.22 | Atarii | backlight_level is -rw-rw-r-- |
| 00:01.29 | rm_you | .... |
| 00:01.48 | Atarii | so it *should* work? |
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| 00:02.02 | rm_you | i think it needs 666 not 664 <_< |
| 00:02.11 | rm_you | wonder why it didnt work |
| 00:02.26 | Atarii | but it still didnt work after manually setting anyways |
| 00:02.28 | rm_you | 664 is no change |
| 00:02.47 | rm_you | can you run /etc/init.d/backlight-permissions restart |
| 00:02.54 | rm_you | errrr |
| 00:03.05 | rm_you | /etc/init.d/brightness-permissions restart |
| 00:03.20 | rm_you | GAH |
| 00:03.22 | rm_you | /etc/init.d/brightness-permission restart |
| 00:03.31 | Atarii | lool |
| 00:03.41 | Atarii | not found |
| 00:03.54 | rm_you | O. crap |
| 00:04.14 | Atarii | nothing backlight related there |
| 00:04.17 | rm_you | run this: |
| 00:04.26 | rm_you | awk -F- '/product/ { print $2 }' /proc/component_version |
| 00:06.51 | Atarii | invalid content of \{\} |
| 00:07.09 | rm_you | ... |
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| 00:07.53 | rm_you | you typing or copy/pasting? |
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| 00:08.42 | Atarii | awk -F- '/product/ { print $2 }' /proc/component_version |
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| 00:09.54 | Atarii | grr how do you copy in xchat |
| 00:10.04 | Atarii | nvm |
| 00:10.10 | Atarii | 18 |
| 00:11.17 | deepwave | Hello, I'm sure this has been asked before but... Where can I get fsck? |
| 00:11.50 | deepwave | To run on my n810 that is... |
| 00:12.20 | rm_you | deepwave: are you actually using any ext filesystems? |
| 00:12.36 | rm_you | I don't think fsck is useful for vfat.... though i could be wrong :/ |
| 00:12.38 | summatusmentis | does anyone know if there's a way to get a cell phone to do triangulation using the n810 gps, and then send that data to the n810? |
| 00:12.56 | deepwave | Nope, but my internal memory is acting up... |
| 00:13.14 | burnte | summatusmentis: Just use the 810's built in GPS and the AGPS |
| 00:13.31 | crashanddie | summatusmentis, triangulation requires multiple antennae |
| 00:13.32 | deepwave | Says its read-only and dmesg reports filesystem panic |
| 00:15.05 | rm_you | Atarii: hrm... |
| 00:15.44 | johnx | deepwave, it's in dosfstools, fsck.vfat |
| 00:16.19 | deepwave | Any particular repo that I need? |
| 00:16.30 | rm_you | Atarii: aaahhhh ok :P |
| 00:16.43 | rm_you | Atarii: figured it out. though, not why it doesnt work even with it chmodded |
| 00:16.44 | johnx | deepwave, I was pretty sure it was installed by default... |
| 00:16.48 | rm_you | but i know where the script went |
| 00:17.00 | rm_you | johnx: fsck.vfat actually does something? :P |
| 00:17.07 | johnx | rm_you, yes, it does |
| 00:17.08 | Atarii | kk :D |
| 00:17.19 | johnx | rm_you, why do you think it doesn't? |
| 00:17.35 | summatusmentis | burnte: it doesn't work well |
| 00:17.37 | johnx | deepwave, look it up on gronmayer.com/it if you don't have it |
| 00:17.48 | summatusmentis | crashanddie: what do you mean? |
| 00:18.06 | rm_you | johnx: never had it present on any system i have run |
| 00:18.19 | rm_you | johnx: so i assumed it didn't exist :P must just not have had the right packages |
| 00:18.31 | crashanddie | summatusmentis, you want to do triangulation |
| 00:18.39 | johnx | rm_you, lol. It's been around for-freaking-ever |
| 00:19.03 | summatusmentis | crashanddie: yes, that's what I'm asking about, multiple antennae? |
| 00:19.28 | rm_you | johnx: right, well, following the wrong assumption that it didn't exist, was the logic that if it didnt exist by NOW, there must not be a use for it :P |
| 00:19.37 | rm_you | johnx: i wonder what package it is in |
| 00:19.46 | johnx | dosfstools |
| 00:19.49 | rm_you | ah yeah |
| 00:19.53 | rm_you | apt-cache just told me :P |
| 00:20.16 | crashanddie | summatusmentis, triangulation really does mean using a triangle based algorithm to locate someone. If you have a target emitting, receptor one picks it up at a certain power, thus distance, this gives a circle. Receptor two picks it up at a certain power, thus distance, giving a second circle, you have two points where the circles cut one another, that's the location of the emitter |
| 00:20.28 | rm_you | Atarii: last version it worked in was... ? |
| 00:20.33 | burnte | Anyone know of a media player that support NSFs (NES Sound Format, NES ROM music)? |
| 00:20.34 | crashanddie | summatusmentis, that's triangulation, I don't see how an n810 comes into play with that |
| 00:20.39 | rm_you | Atarii: that you recall |
| 00:21.01 | rm_you | johnx: oooo: -A toggle Atari file system format |
| 00:21.03 | rm_you | :P |
| 00:21.13 | johnx | rm_you, yeah, old :P |
| 00:21.20 | deepwave | Thanks johnx, I'll take a look at those repos. |
| 00:21.29 | summatusmentis | crashanddie: cell phones are able to triangulate roughly where you are. I'm wanting to use my cell phone to triangulate, and use that as agps for my n810 |
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| 00:21.46 | johnx | deepwave, what version of OS2008 are you using? |
| 00:21.48 | whycode | hi |
| 00:21.58 | Atarii | 13-5 worked, but it was only 0-123 |
| 00:22.02 | burnte | summatusmentis: Can't do that. |
| 00:22.08 | whycode | i was wondering if there is a raytracer for maemo ? :) |
| 00:22.08 | rm_you | Atarii: and 13-6 doesn't?! |
| 00:22.19 | burnte | the AGPS for the 810 works by getting ephemeris data from Nokia for your location. |
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| 00:22.51 | burnte | summatusmentis: so if you want to use the agps applet for the 810 with your cell, you'll need to let it fetch a couple kilobytes of data. |
| 00:23.15 | summatusmentis | the agps applet requires knowing where you are, roughly, and doesn't seem to work that well |
| 00:23.16 | Atarii | wait which do i have installed now |
| 00:23.23 | Atarii | one sec |
| 00:24.09 | burnte | summatusmentis: Works great, it needs to knwo roughly wher eyou are, and then it requests ephemeris data. |
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| 00:24.56 | summatusmentis | knowing roughly where you are makes it sort of pointless in some situations, one. I've tried agps, and it took upwards of 10 minutes to get a lock |
| 00:25.10 | burnte | did you have a data connection at the same time? |
| 00:25.12 | burnte | that's the important part |
| 00:25.18 | Atarii770 | 13-1 worked rm_you |
| 00:25.21 | summatusmentis | yes, I did |
| 00:25.22 | rm_you | ok |
| 00:25.25 | crashanddie | summatusmentis, I'm sorry, but your phone is unable to triangulate anything |
| 00:25.25 | burnte | it only needs to know where you are when you start, so it knows what satellites to look for |
| 00:25.29 | rm_you | 13-1 worked but not 13-5? |
| 00:25.34 | rm_you | you on 13-5 now? |
| 00:25.35 | burnte | what crashanddie said. |
| 00:25.37 | Atarii770 | yea |
| 00:25.41 | burnte | the phone doesn't triangualte, the cell towers do. |
| 00:25.46 | burnte | your phone knows nothing. |
| 00:25.50 | crashanddie | summatusmentis, at best, maybe your service provider can triangulate the position of *your* cell phone, but not the other way around |
| 00:25.58 | rm_you | WTF garage is fast!? |
| 00:25.59 | johnx | Sometimes, even I don't know what to make of some posts: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22033 |
| 00:26.03 | snowmoon | summatusmentis: the current APS is the start of a framework that will allow for better TTF using multiple sources of data |
| 00:26.05 | summatusmentis | crashanddie: ok, that makes sense |
| 00:26.08 | snowmoon | AGPS that is |
| 00:26.28 | crashanddie | summatusmentis, plus, it would still need your n810 to access the network in order to know which satellites to use based on the coordinates it might have gotten from the cell phone |
| 00:26.34 | crashanddie | summatusmentis, but it wouldn't be any better then AGPS |
| 00:26.49 | crashanddie | than** |
| 00:26.58 | summatusmentis | is it possible that I just live in the middle of nowhere, and have bad gps signal around here? |
| 00:27.03 | burnte | yep |
| 00:27.13 | burnte | trees and hills will really screw your GPS reception |
| 00:27.14 | snowmoon | in fact GSM cell-id was in the codebase, but turned off for initial release. it takes the current cell tower and looks it up in a DB to get appropriate satelite data |
| 00:27.16 | crashanddie | summatusmentis, it *could* but I doubt it |
| 00:27.25 | Atarii770 | g2g soon rm_you |
| 00:27.30 | rm_you | k |
| 00:27.43 | crashanddie | summatusmentis, do you have network coverage when using AGPS ? |
| 00:27.45 | rm_you | problem was introduced somewhere between r111 and r117 |
| 00:27.52 | summatusmentis | crashanddie: yes |
| 00:28.07 | crashanddie | summatusmentis, are you moving ? |
| 00:28.12 | summatusmentis | no |
| 00:28.20 | crashanddie | summatusmentis, are you in the open air ? |
| 00:28.25 | summatusmentis | no |
| 00:28.31 | summatusmentis | sitting in my room |
| 00:28.35 | burnte | yeah |
| 00:28.40 | burnte | try going outside for a bit to get a lock |
| 00:28.44 | crashanddie | and you're surprised you need 10 minutes to get a gps fix ? |
| 00:28.59 | rm_you | brb |
| 00:29.13 | summatusmentis | do walls affect it that much? |
| 00:29.18 | snowmoon | yes |
| 00:29.18 | crashanddie | of course they do |
| 00:29.20 | crashanddie | djeezus |
| 00:29.41 | summatusmentis | crashanddie: I knew they'd affect it some, but I didn't realize it was that drastic |
| 00:29.42 | snowmoon | or even a south facing window will improve lock time an order of magnitude |
| 00:29.51 | deepwave | Johnx: I'm running diabolo 4.1 |
| 00:30.07 | johnx | you should have it already I think... |
| 00:30.16 | burnte | summatusmentis: The system was designed for the military, and they're usually outside. |
| 00:30.24 | burnte | buildings block sat signals fairly well. |
| 00:30.25 | crashanddie | summatusmentis, this is how it works, you start agps, and tell it where you are (roughly). Still connected to the internet, and still running AGPS, you launch Map or Maemo Mapper |
| 00:30.35 | burnte | that's why you have sat TV dishes outside too. |
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| 00:30.41 | summatusmentis | crashanddie: I know all of that |
| 00:30.46 | crashanddie | summatusmentis, once the gps is searching for GPS, *run outside* |
| 00:30.50 | summatusmentis | burnte: yeh, that makes sense I suppose |
| 00:31.12 | summatusmentis | alright, fair enough. I'm gonna go eat dinner |
| 00:31.14 | crashanddie | summatusmentis, if the GPS doesn't see any of the supposed satellites within a few seconds of searching, it will start all over again |
| 00:31.40 | summatusmentis | ok. Thanks for the help |
| 00:32.25 | crashanddie | AGPS is like when you ask your mom where the stamps are, and she yells "on the thing on the left of the stuff, you know" |
| 00:32.52 | crashanddie | you're going to look for stuff on the left of some shit, but if you don't see it right away, you're going to look fucking *everywhere*, even in the bathtub and attic |
| 00:32.53 | deepwave | johnx: Nope I got nothing called fsck, vfat, fat or anything like that... At least not from x-term... |
| 00:33.14 | johnx | deepwave, it's fsck.vfat |
| 00:33.20 | johnx | deepwave, are you root? |
| 00:33.44 | deepwave | Noo... |
| 00:34.18 | johnx | well, that would affect things... |
| 00:34.58 | deepwave | Lol, ok |
| 00:35.47 | snowmoon | deepwave: have you checked your partition table to make sure it wasn't shipped screwy by nokia? |
| 00:36.10 | johnx | you knew about fsck so I assumed you knew it needs to be run as root. If you need root access install rootsh (recommended) |
| 00:36.16 | snowmoon | deepwave: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18043 |
| 00:37.13 | deepwave | Well I used to using Linux workstations. :) |
| 00:37.42 | johnx | deepwave, and on those workstations you need to be root to run fsck as well... |
| 00:38.00 | tank-man | lol, maybe he is root all the time on his workstation |
| 00:38.14 | deepwave | Eh... No. |
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| 00:38.47 | deepwave | But you usually set up a root password... Or use sudo... |
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| 00:39.02 | johnx | ubuntu is the only distro I can think of that has /sbin in the user's PATH by default...It always messes with new users when they end up on Debian or something else... |
| 00:40.20 | Atarii770 | rm_you: im off. up again in 4 hours to graduate |
| 00:40.30 | Atarii770 | catch you tomorrow |
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| 00:46.40 | deepwave | Hmm... Running fsck.vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1 gives me : osso_mem_saw_enable failed |
| 00:46.56 | johnx | well that's pretty cool |
| 00:47.03 | johnx | does dmesg say anything now? |
| 00:48.45 | deepwave | Nope. |
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| 00:53.07 | deepwave | Oh well I'll just backup my stuff on it and reformat. :( |
| 00:53.19 | deepwave | Thanks for help johnx. |
| 00:54.50 | johnx | deepwave, sure. too bad it didn't work out |
| 00:55.03 | johnx | check your partition table if you get a chance. that might be causing the corruption |
| 01:01.19 | lcuk_afk | how do i refresh from svn |
| 01:01.54 | lcuk | it keeps telling me im still at rev 7 without getting the stuff from the server again - i wanna undo what ive coded |
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| 01:02.12 | johnx | svn up |
| 01:02.16 | GAN800 | cd ../ ? |
| 01:02.22 | lcuk | i did that |
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| 01:02.51 | johnx | maybe svn revert ? |
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| 01:05.43 | lcuk | got it, thanks - i had to tell it to revert recursively and tell it which folder to work with |
| 01:05.52 | lcuk | i suppose it stops you messing up |
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| 01:07.12 | rm_you | is the wiki entirely failing to load pages now? |
| 01:07.31 | rm_you | nm working again |
| 01:07.33 | johnx | rm_you, but garage is faster, right? jeez. you want everything :P |
| 01:07.58 | rm_you | it was giving me weird page could not be loaded errors generated by the maemo.org server :P but about 60 seconds later it is back |
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| 01:14.28 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: hey |
| 01:14.31 | rm_you | GAN800: hey |
| 01:14.39 | GAN800 | wut? |
| 01:14.47 | GAN800 | About to leave again. |
| 01:14.50 | rm_you | >_> |
| 01:14.56 | rm_you | nm then will catch you later |
| 01:15.07 | GAN800 | Brightness doesn't do anything on 13-5 |
| 01:15.09 | rm_you | need to ask questions about 770 ABL and do testing |
| 01:15.11 | rm_you | right |
| 01:15.15 | rm_you | what was the last version that DID work |
| 01:15.25 | rm_you | besides permissions issue |
| 01:15.31 | GAN800 | None, as far as I know. |
| 01:15.35 | rm_you | ... |
| 01:15.39 | GAN800 | But Atarii says 13-1 |
| 01:15.43 | rm_you | hrm |
| 01:15.46 | rm_you | can you verify that? |
| 01:16.04 | GAN800 | Later. |
| 01:16.07 | GAN800 | Bye |
| 01:16.09 | rm_you | k |
| 01:18.08 | lcuk | arghhhhhhh whos good with makefiles? i wanna go to bed but i wanna test code ive done and i cant get the makefile to accept it |
| 01:18.17 | rm_you | lcuk: i can decently |
| 01:18.20 | lcuk | https://garage.maemo.org/svn/maemo-barcode/trunk/Makefile |
| 01:18.21 | rm_you | lcuk: pastebin? |
| 01:18.24 | rm_you | ah k |
| 01:18.25 | lcuk | look at that |
| 01:18.53 | lcuk | i have a second c module: liqscan.c i want it to be compiled and linked in with the final binary maemo-barcode |
| 01:19.09 | lcuk | and it keeps crappin me out (hence the revert before) |
| 01:19.40 | lcuk | ~lart bedtime |
| 01:19.40 | infobot | takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking bedtime's head off |
| 01:20.34 | lcuk | the makefile for liqbase expects me to specify the list of all .o files. it then builds them out of that (using a .c -> .o rule) |
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| 01:24.07 | rm_you | errr |
| 01:24.25 | lcuk | lol |
| 01:24.27 | rm_you | well, i get it to work slightly if i add: |
| 01:24.28 | rm_you | %.c: |
| 01:24.28 | rm_you | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:24.43 | rm_you | otherwise it is looking for the %.c build targets |
| 01:25.43 | lcuk | that will still attempt to create 2 executables though wont it |
| 01:25.47 | lcuk | i think |
| 01:25.55 | rm_you | hrm |
| 01:25.57 | rm_you | sec |
| 01:26.10 | rm_you | let me look at some of my old stuff |
| 01:26.12 | lcuk | ive just cheated for now, rm_you, its ok i found a quicker way |
| 01:26.37 | lcuk | it works if i make clean first ;) |
| 01:26.38 | lcuk | #include "liqscan.c" |
| 01:27.04 | lcuk | thanks anyway, but if you do find a cleaner solution shout me please :) |
| 01:27.13 | rm_you | k |
| 01:27.48 | johnx | ha! sed kinda rocks (except that it hurts my brain) |
| 01:28.52 | lcuk | this linux syntax and mix of incantation languages blows my mind when i have to pick up new stuff |
| 01:29.08 | johnx | most linux stuff behaves the same way |
| 01:29.13 | lcuk | gimme a gui and standardise it into "shove some data there" |
| 01:29.26 | johnx | it's when you hit the stuff that linux inherited from Unix where the fun starts |
| 01:29.38 | johnx | lcuk, hey, at least it's not the windows command line... |
| 01:30.03 | johnx | lcuk, have you played with command piping yet? it'll blow your mind (in a good way) |
| 01:30.08 | rm_you | lcuk: hrm |
| 01:30.15 | lcuk | granted, linux IS powerful enough to do anything, its just knowing the binding language |
| 01:30.20 | rm_you | lcuk: yeah your original works fine here, if you start with a clean directory |
| 01:30.34 | lcuk | it does, but it doesnt include my .c file |
| 01:30.46 | johnx | lcuk, yeah, picking up the shell can be painful. I learned mainly through brutal stubborness :) |
| 01:31.13 | rm_you | somewhat standard syntax is to instead include something like "CFILES=my.c main.c extras.c func.c" |
| 01:31.21 | rm_you | and then tell it to compile $(CFILES) |
| 01:32.01 | lcuk | rm_you, :) you are right, original base playground has it like that |
| 01:32.14 | lcuk | but for some reason i lost the line and was left with just the .os |
| 01:32.19 | lcuk | ive been adding ever since :S |
| 01:32.26 | rm_you | _< |
| 01:32.27 | rm_you | <_< |
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| 01:32.40 | lcuk | it works though |
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| 01:35.23 | churl | anyone wanna crush my hopes and dreams when dealing with gizmo5? |
| 01:35.33 | johnx | churl, sure |
| 01:35.37 | churl | yay! |
| 01:35.53 | johnx | churl, gizmo5 doesn't love you. She was only using you to get to Tony. She was toying with you! |
| 01:36.04 | johnx | something like that? |
| 01:36.11 | churl | well i kinda knew, but.... |
| 01:36.26 | churl | yeah, i know, but... who am i kidding.... |
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| 01:36.36 | churl | *knife* |
| 01:36.37 | [yzf600] | hello |
| 01:36.45 | churl | darn butter knife... |
| 01:36.53 | johnx | hi [yzf600] |
| 01:37.14 | churl | johnx: so are you familiar with the workings of gizmo? |
| 01:37.14 | [yzf600] | what would be the best way to create and render a status icon in my apps main window? |
| 01:37.42 | [yzf600] | I'm currently creating a table and populating it with buttons and icons |
| 01:37.57 | johnx | churl, not really, but asking is worth a shot |
| 01:37.58 | [yzf600] | but based upon some input, I'd like to change one of the icons |
| 01:38.40 | churl | well, i was just checking out the whole backdoor number thing and found that a lot of my friends numbers were valid for working through the backdoor. are you with me? |
| 01:39.54 | johnx | churl, ok, got it |
| 01:39.58 | churl | really, i dont know what to ask, it seems everyone is having problems with the service and no one has much for answers |
| 01:40.22 | churl | i get two rings, the silence, and that's with a paid call |
| 01:40.31 | churl | the other end hears me, i hear nothing |
| 01:40.59 | johnx | interesting |
| 01:41.26 | johnx | hmmm...once we get outside the unixy part of gizmo and into the phone part, I'm kinda out of my element |
| 01:41.31 | churl | that would be the start of my problems, the temptation of free calls to my friends through the working back door numbers is very exciting, me having no phone |
| 01:41.50 | johnx | I just bought skype-out minutes :s |
| 01:41.56 | johnx | I'm sure that makes me lame or something |
| 01:42.07 | churl | haha maybe just employed |
| 01:42.16 | johnx | heh |
| 01:42.31 | johnx | I've gone through like $5 of skypeout minutes in the last couple months |
| 01:42.36 | churl | i couldnt pay my cell bill so i got an n800.. for phone use, boy was i wrong |
| 01:42.54 | churl | yeah, it is a good deal |
| 01:43.10 | johnx | I guess if you talk a lot it could be a problem |
| 01:44.09 | johnx | haha! I think I just got libtinymail to compile in poky/OE |
| 01:44.18 | snowmoon | churl: Backdoor dialing has an annoying announcement played to both caller and callee |
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| 01:44.36 | churl | man, i sure was hoping that i could call both my best friend and my girlfriend for free, i was over joyed when it said that their numbers could be called for free |
| 01:44.45 | churl | snowmoon: no problems there for me |
| 01:45.07 | churl | it's better than calling your friends with iprelay! |
| 01:45.25 | snowmoon | You don't hear an annoucement at the beginning of each call? |
| 01:45.29 | rm_you | backdoor dialing!? >_> |
| 01:45.40 | churl | snowmoon: no |
| 01:45.41 | johnx | rm_you, http://gizmo5.com/pc/backdoor/ |
| 01:45.54 | churl | somethings up with my setup |
| 01:45.56 | johnx | rm_you, it works around the PSTN network, using only VOIP |
| 01:45.59 | churl | my install or whatever |
| 01:46.02 | rm_you | hrm |
| 01:46.28 | Grackle | backdoor dialing sounds like something lewd involving telephones and lots of lube |
| 01:46.35 | rm_you | hey |
| 01:46.42 | churl | i tried my best at googling a solution, but i ran back to #maemo |
| 01:46.42 | rm_you | my cell number qualifies :P |
| 01:48.00 | churl | my new land line doesnt, but all my friends old cell numbers do, great right? if it would work for me,. any suggestions on possible bug/install flaws? |
| 01:48.32 | rm_you | hrm |
| 01:48.37 | rm_you | let me try on my tablet |
| 01:48.54 | churl | please do :) |
| 01:48.58 | rm_you | what does it do for you again? |
| 01:49.03 | rm_you | just hangs up? |
| 01:49.05 | johnx | Grackle, I think the sentiment is that gizmo is trying to screw the phone companies out of collecting fees |
| 01:49.22 | rm_you | Grackle: thats the same thing i thought <_< |
| 01:49.27 | Grackle | johnx, hahaha |
| 01:50.04 | johnx | I was going to make a slightly more colorful metaphor, but this is publicly logged O_o |
| 01:50.08 | churl | anyone want to message me their number so i can try to call it? |
| 01:50.36 | churl | i promise not to talk to you |
| 01:50.41 | churl | ill grunt |
| 01:50.52 | rm_you | lol sec |
| 01:51.06 | churl | so you cant tell that im a real human, or i could just make the soothing noise of keyboard clicks |
| 01:51.53 | johnx | is skeered O_o |
| 01:52.05 | churl | *click* |
| 01:52.35 | Grackle | d'oh |
| 01:52.44 | Grackle | I was wondering why my laptop wouldn't boot the install CD |
| 01:52.50 | rm_you | churl: works great here |
| 01:52.53 | rm_you | no problems |
| 01:52.58 | churl | haha |
| 01:53.07 | rm_you | churl: you using "Gizmo" via the communication menu? |
| 01:53.09 | churl | really, what can you tell me about your setup? |
| 01:53.13 | rm_you | or did you install Gizmo5 via deb? |
| 01:53.14 | Grackle | realized after dicking with BIOS and boot order that he had put the application install CD in |
| 01:53.24 | churl | first one |
| 01:53.31 | rm_you | thats prolly it |
| 01:53.36 | churl | oh damn |
| 01:53.42 | rm_you | http://download.gizmo5.com/GizmoDownload/gizmo5_4.0.0.97_N800P_armel.deb |
| 01:53.58 | rm_you | install that |
| 01:54.14 | rm_you | and run it (is a separate app, it will show up in Extras) |
| 01:54.26 | churl | thanks a bunch, ill try that |
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| 01:54.46 | rm_you | johnx: get Gizmo5, can call me for free :P |
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| 01:54.54 | rm_you | jott: same :P |
| 01:54.56 | GDE | how do we get the 'APP MUST BE CLOSED EMAIL' to go away |
| 01:55.08 | GDE | or something like that? |
| 01:55.22 | GDE | oh, and hello everyone |
| 01:55.36 | johnx | hi GDE |
| 01:55.57 | johnx | no way to avoid that message unless you stop using the email client or wait for a fix |
| 01:56.00 | johnx | (or fix it yourself) |
| 01:56.23 | GDE | blah |
| 01:56.35 | GDE | I think it drains my battery |
| 01:56.44 | johnx | nah, it's the other email problem that does |
| 01:56.56 | johnx | the one where it keeps running but uses 100% CPU time |
| 01:57.07 | GDE | and push email is useless cause of the error |
| 01:57.33 | johnx | it's funny cause I see that message, but I still get mail. I think on mine it's restarting in the background |
| 01:57.55 | GDE | well i get mail as well |
| 01:58.02 | GDE | just after I confirm it |
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| 01:58.30 | johnx | er, I still get the blue flashing light/message in the bottom left corner even while that message is popped up |
| 01:58.51 | GDE | i get that to at times |
| 01:59.03 | GDE | thanks for the clarification |
| 01:59.22 | rm_you | i use claws-mail |
| 01:59.30 | rm_you | it ALWAYS seems to work perfectly >_> |
| 01:59.46 | johnx | rm_you, does it notify of email while closed? |
| 02:02.01 | churl | side note while installing: a friend gave me his GPS and let me say, that it's the most awesome useless thing i own |
| 02:02.14 | rm_you | johnx: don't think so? not 100% tho |
| 02:02.20 | rm_you | but that doesnt really matter |
| 02:02.23 | rm_you | since I always have email |
| 02:02.32 | rm_you | it would just ALWAYS be notifying me :P |
| 02:02.34 | johnx | rm_you, right, it does matter for other people :P |
| 02:03.54 | rm_you | i wonder how hard it would be to port that functionality |
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| 02:04.16 | rm_you | lemmie check to see for sure that it doest work already |
| 02:04.22 | johnx | might be easier to separate out a different mail checking daemon |
| 02:04.36 | johnx | the other thing is I like modest's interface a lot better :/ |
| 02:05.03 | rm_you | i might, if it would ever actually check my inbox |
| 02:05.21 | rm_you | and people would tell me something in response other than "whatever, IMAP is useless" |
| 02:05.31 | rm_you | because it isn't. |
| 02:05.40 | johnx | imap rawks |
| 02:05.55 | johnx | but, it can be a pain to debug |
| 02:06.07 | churl | well, i reinstalled gizmo5 |
| 02:06.13 | churl | not looking good |
| 02:06.20 | johnx | rm_you, is there a verbose switch you can hit for modest to make it tell you more? |
| 02:06.34 | rm_you | dunno |
| 02:09.50 | churl | well, my gf said she got a ring |
| 02:09.53 | churl | trying again |
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| 02:13.16 | churl | well, i seems to be the standard problem i read about, as soon as they pick up. it hangs up |
| 02:13.26 | churl | thank you guys for your input! |
| 02:13.36 | churl | im sure you know how these things can be |
| 02:13.54 | johnx | yeah I know. I hate phone systems |
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| 02:24.32 | churl | someone saying it could just be my home network |
| 02:24.48 | churl | ill take it out later and pray |
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| 02:28.14 | pupnik | 'how many times did you reboot it?' 'three, like you always tell me to" |
| 02:28.47 | lcuk | gnite chaps. pupnik people have started to get money |
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| 02:33.53 | yigal | hey about mail is the led bif readily accessible, for other programs to use? |
| 02:34.35 | yigal | this is just for the future, but if I'm using mutt, then using the led bif would be very nice |
| 02:34.35 | pupnik | bif? |
| 02:34.47 | pupnik | nite lcuk_zzz |
| 02:35.12 | pupnik | you can flash the leds... it's an odd interface... forgot how |
| 02:35.20 | yigal | excuse me biff |
| 02:35.42 | yigal | so it is accessible though, that's about all I want to know for now |
| 02:36.12 | yigal | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biff |
| 02:36.28 | yigal | in this case the led flashes |
| 02:36.35 | yigal | very nice, I must say |
| 02:37.10 | summatusmentis | http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/windows-3-1-gets-installed-on-nokias-n810-looks-badly-out-of-p/ |
| 02:37.23 | yigal | sounds terrible |
| 02:38.31 | yigal | but I guess it's nice to see the versatility of the hardware |
| 02:38.39 | yigal | software excuse me |
| 02:40.11 | rm_you | wow, the version of python2.5-imaging in the official repo has broken png support |
| 02:40.19 | rm_you | IE, it wasn't even built with the PNG library >_< |
| 02:40.20 | summatusmentis | yeh, I don't ever want to go back to Windows anything |
| 02:40.45 | rm_you | oh well, recompiled it myself and it works <_< |
| 02:40.56 | yigal | I cry when I see the stupidity of windows |
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| 02:42.13 | yigal | what about putting windows ce on it? |
| 02:42.20 | yigal | just theoretically |
| 02:44.39 | yigal | I've been looking around and have found that ssh from pc --> n800, is sooo slow is there a fix? |
| 02:46.49 | rm_you | works fine here |
| 02:46.56 | yigal | rm_you: that's good to know |
| 02:47.06 | yigal | rm_you: are you using diablo os2008? |
| 02:47.14 | rm_you | yep |
| 02:47.50 | yigal | rm_you: ok, any special tweaks or it just works, :) |
| 02:48.00 | rm_you | just works :P |
| 02:53.44 | yigal | no, it is just so slow |
| 02:54.05 | yigal | rm_you: you can't remember what tweaks you did to make it work? |
| 02:54.11 | yigal | owell |
| 02:54.17 | yigal | all in good time |
| 02:54.39 | rm_you | did no tweaks |
| 02:54.41 | rm_you | just installed it |
| 02:54.47 | rm_you | is just as fast as any other ssh |
| 02:54.56 | rm_you | IE, instant response time <_< |
| 02:55.17 | yigal | rm_you: n800 --> pc is just as fast but pc --> n800 sllllloooooowww :( |
| 02:55.20 | johnx | yigal, might want to adjust power saving options (or replace your router) |
| 02:55.22 | yigal | rm_you: funny |
| 02:55.34 | pupnik | lol @ summatusmentis |
| 02:55.36 | yigal | johnx: replace my router !!!! |
| 02:56.00 | yigal | pupnik: right, ok no savings and I'll see how it behaves |
| 02:56.07 | rm_you | am on pc->n800 right now |
| 02:56.09 | rm_you | it is instant for me |
| 02:56.11 | rm_you | no lag at all |
| 02:56.20 | johnx | yigal, sounds like your router doesn't work right with n800 wifi powersavings |
| 02:56.20 | yigal | rm_you: I enby you |
| 02:56.24 | yigal | s/b/v |
| 02:56.33 | rm_you | yigal: yeah, what router are you using? |
| 02:56.38 | rm_you | I have a WRT-300N |
| 02:56.43 | rm_you | and a WRT-54G |
| 02:56.47 | rm_you | both are excellent |
| 02:56.59 | rm_you | though WRT-300N still doesnt work right with dd-wrt or openwrt >_> |
| 02:57.17 | yigal | johnx: I'm using dd-wrt with buffalo |
| 02:57.40 | yigal | hmm, maybe it's because of dd-wrt? |
| 02:58.22 | yigal | I'll try reflashing |
| 02:58.52 | yigal | ? |
| 02:59.15 | johnx | yigal, turn off psm on the n800 first |
| 02:59.20 | johnx | see if it helps |
| 03:01.12 | ShadowJK | Which model of WRT-54? |
| 03:01.42 | yigal | G? |
| 03:01.58 | ShadowJK | Yeah but which model of WRT-54G? |
| 03:02.10 | ShadowJK | There are like a dozen different ones... |
| 03:02.27 | yigal | johnx: how do I turn off psm? |
| 03:02.42 | yigal | is it a driver, or control panel setting? |
| 03:02.54 | yigal | both? |
| 03:03.22 | pupnik | you can echo something to proc |
| 03:03.35 | yigal | sounds reasonable |
| 03:03.39 | ShadowJK | it's also in the gui when you setup a connection, behind a button called 'advanced' |
| 03:03.40 | pupnik | turn it into performance mode |
| 03:03.51 | pupnik | oh that... sorry i'm thinking of something else |
| 03:04.09 | yigal | ok, I'll check it out |
| 03:04.59 | rm_you | yigal: or it should be on the bottom of the wrt-54g :P |
| 03:05.05 | rm_you | it will have model/revision |
| 03:05.50 | yigal | no, I think I have to echo something to proc |
| 03:06.10 | yigal | oh, no as I said before I'm using a buffalo router |
| 03:06.34 | rm_you | oh right |
| 03:06.42 | yigal | your using the wrt |
| 03:08.06 | ShadowJK | Yeah and I was asking rm_you what model linksys he has :) |
| 03:08.12 | yigal | so anything to echo to /proc? |
| 03:09.38 | rm_you | oh |
| 03:09.45 | rm_you | ShadowJK: WRT-54G rev2 |
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| 03:10.10 | rm_you | also WRT-54G rev4 |
| 03:10.48 | rm_you | also WRT-300N rev1 |
| 03:11.20 | yigal | your a wrt man |
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| 03:11.55 | burnte | great routers. |
| 03:12.09 | yigal | nothing better, cool runnings |
| 03:12.19 | burnte | I have a 3.1 and a 4 |
| 03:12.25 | yigal | I got the buffalo as the next generation, but it runs hotter than it |
| 03:12.44 | ShadowJK | I have a WRT-54GL |
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| 03:13.00 | rm_you | ah never had to get a GL |
| 03:13.03 | rm_you | as i had the older ones |
| 03:13.22 | rm_you | as an IT guy i come across wrt54g's a lot |
| 03:13.24 | rm_you | the older ones |
| 03:13.30 | burnte | yewp |
| 03:13.30 | yigal | I had a GL but gave it away for the buffalo, doh! |
| 03:13.33 | rm_you | and a lot of times they are broken |
| 03:13.40 | yigal | really? wow |
| 03:13.43 | rm_you | so i take them and reflash them with dd-wrt and the live again :P |
| 03:13.46 | burnte | I use my 4 because I got it first, managed to get a 3.1 later on, it's my tester and backup |
| 03:14.08 | rm_you | so many free WRT-54g rev2s |
| 03:14.16 | rm_you | i gave a few away |
| 03:14.55 | rm_you | johnx: OMFG! |
| 03:15.03 | rm_you | johnx: modest finally loaded my mailbox! |
| 03:15.46 | rm_you | it just takes a little over an hour to load it |
| 03:15.51 | Medic119 | You know all the NIT e-mail prgs have been so bad, I just gave up using them al together.. Just load G-Mail in the iPhone interface thx to UserAgent string |
| 03:16.00 | rm_you | and each message takes about 30 seconds to open |
| 03:16.24 | rm_you | ewww, this UI is icky tho... everything feels really cramped. I like all the tiny claws stuff better :P |
| 03:16.33 | rm_you | claws-mail works wonderfully |
| 03:16.38 | Medic119 | Claws broke my Nit backups.. |
| 03:16.50 | rm_you | I don't do NIT backups :P so there ya go, lol |
| 03:16.58 | rm_you | I use root on sd |
| 03:17.02 | yigal | that darned ssh made me kill a screen terminal 1 of 9 that angers me a bit |
| 03:17.10 | Medic119 | lol.. If I could figure out a good way to flash-back my NIt I'd just SD backup |
| 03:17.31 | rm_you | ... |
| 03:17.53 | rm_you | yigal: i've had the same window open with ssh on my pc->n800 for 3 days now |
| 03:18.07 | rm_you | never disconnected, never times out, always responsive |
| 03:18.21 | rm_you | stays running for 12+ hours while i am asleep, i wake up, start using it again |
| 03:18.22 | Medic119 | rm_you: didn't notice a CPU hit? If I leave SSH running for along time my NIT starts to lag. |
| 03:18.28 | yigal | psm saved the day |
| 03:18.28 | rm_you | nope |
| 03:18.35 | yigal | rm_you: no it's working now |
| 03:18.36 | yigal | :) |
| 03:18.38 | rm_you | :P |
| 03:18.42 | rm_you | no cpu hit |
| 03:18.50 | rm_you | well, besides what it takes just, period |
| 03:18.56 | Medic119 | I use SSH a lot. Easier than thumb-typing in X-term..lol |
| 03:18.59 | rm_you | yeah |
| 03:19.07 | rm_you | considering I develop on n800, yes :P |
| 03:19.20 | rm_you | at least for python apps, i develop on n800 :P |
| 03:19.23 | yigal | I'm thinking usb or bluetoot keyboard for n800 pretty soon |
| 03:19.32 | rm_you | yeah i have a bluetooth keyboard but it is tiny |
| 03:19.39 | rm_you | i need to get a fullsize one for home |
| 03:19.40 | yigal | oh |
| 03:19.44 | rm_you | and use my tiny one for on the road |
| 03:19.48 | Medic119 | I'll even SSH just to edit a script. Its just that much easier..lol |
| 03:20.31 | yigal | rm_you: sounds good, that's about what I'm looking for |
| 03:20.47 | yigal | rm_you: thought n800 by itself would be what I needed but I'm addicted to the keyboard |
| 03:20.53 | rm_you | heh |
| 03:21.01 | rm_you | thumbboard is good but not for coding :P |
| 03:21.09 | rm_you | it is usable just for daytoday |
| 03:21.19 | Medic119 | I Almost traded my n810 for an n800, but the non-transflective screen was the put-off |
| 03:21.40 | yigal | that's the only downgrade in my opinion |
| 03:22.12 | yigal | when I'm hiking, or some other sport outside it's a small bummer, but underneath a tree etc. works fine |
| 03:22.26 | Medic119 | Yeah, for my use, the D-Pad beside the screen is a big plus. |
| 03:22.54 | rm_you | both have the same dpad don't they? :P |
| 03:23.03 | rm_you | Medic119: you use Advanced Backlight? |
| 03:23.11 | Medic119 | But I love my n810 anyway. I have the one handed keyboard flip acrobatic thing I can do now just to use the D-Pad fucntions in Microb..lol |
| 03:23.21 | Medic119 | Yea, I use Advanced Backlight |
| 03:23.23 | rm_you | how does it look with backlight off and transflective sceen? |
| 03:24.00 | Medic119 | rm_you: Haven't really had need to try it, but the screen looks a bit washed out in heavy sunlight regardless of backlight level, but its still pretty usable |
| 03:24.16 | Medic119 | Won't be editing phots in the sun, but for most else it works well |
| 03:24.20 | rm_you | heh yeah |
| 03:24.32 | rm_you | might be worth it for me in TX where it is ALWAYS ridiculously bright out |
| 03:24.42 | rm_you | but so far it has not been worth the crippled storage |
| 03:24.53 | rm_you | <3s 2xSD |
| 03:24.58 | Medic119 | umm.. I am in El Paso where it never rains and is always hot and sunny.. |
| 03:25.15 | rm_you | heh yeah |
| 03:25.18 | Medic119 | no, in fact I'd prefer the two SD card slots to the MicroSD any day |
| 03:25.22 | rm_you | San Antonio |
| 03:25.33 | Medic119 | I Love SA, was stationed there.. |
| 03:25.45 | rm_you | yeah, so far as I can tell, not even all the features of the n810 put together are worth losing the 2x SD |
| 03:26.04 | rm_you | lot of N8x0 users in TX i think :P |
| 03:26.19 | Medic119 | I really have to wonder what idiot decided a "built-in" storage slot was better than two removable ones |
| 03:26.24 | rm_you | we should have our own summit at the same time as the one in Berlin, and do a webcast linkup ;P |
| 03:26.47 | Medic119 | lol.. might be fun. Been a long time since I did any UG like stuff |
| 03:27.19 | rm_you | ... assuming they don't accept my request for summit sponsorship :P |
| 03:27.22 | Medic119 | I was tempted to take apart myn810 and attempt to upgrade the internal slot until I found out what a task that would be..lol |
| 03:28.03 | rm_you | well |
| 03:28.21 | rm_you | microSD has same pinout as normal SD, so you could maybe just switch the micro slot to a normal SD slot? :P |
| 03:28.27 | rm_you | with a penknife and a soldering iron |
| 03:28.30 | Medic119 | My hopes for the n900 are a return of two SD slots, Heck even two MicroSD/MiniSD would work |
| 03:28.38 | rm_you | just conjecture :P |
| 03:28.59 | Medic119 | Yea. Me and surface mount we don't get along. I am the guy who has two thumbs with a soldering iron |
| 03:30.00 | Medic119 | Now if I could arc weld the RAM in.... |
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| 03:31.22 | Medic119 | All-in-All add a transflective screen to the n800 and you have the best of the devices yet. Don't really care about a GPS (and a poor one at that), Keyboard is just icing, so everything else is in the n800. |
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| 03:40.13 | yigal | I'm using a cell phone as a modem, which is a little weird carrying 2 devices all the time, but really it's not so bad |
| 03:40.57 | yigal | it's the n800 so at some point I'll probably be carrying 3, gps |
| 03:41.03 | Medic119 | I like the two device thing. One device is a lot to lose if it breaks, etc. Not to mention I don't always want all the processor with me. |
| 03:41.28 | yigal | Medic119: agree with you there 100% |
| 03:42.24 | Medic119 | Besides with the cell signal in my office.. one device would make life that much worse. Nothing like having your head pressed into the window to make a call or send a text. I keep Phonelink going so texts are just received on my NIT across the room |
| 03:42.31 | rm_you | heh yeah, i've done my crago shorts spiel a lot :P |
| 03:42.53 | yigal | cargo pants/shorts rock!! |
| 03:43.19 | Medic119 | I wear camo every day so I have lots of pockets to use..lol |
| 03:43.25 | rm_you | n800 in the left pocket, cell phone / keys in the right, wallet in the back right, gps, bluetooth headphones and usb cables in the right leg, bluetooth keyboard in the left leg |
| 03:43.51 | yigal | lol |
| 03:44.10 | yigal | but so true |
| 03:44.16 | Medic119 | thats a lot of stuff to carry around |
| 03:44.49 | yigal | I'm minus the gps but that's about it |
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| 03:45.22 | yigal | going to have to fix that also, pretty soon |
| 03:45.24 | Medic119 | I am a minimalist now.. Nit, cellphone, keys and a small notebook |
| 03:45.55 | rm_you | never know when you need a USB cable |
| 03:46.03 | rm_you | also, USB cable is for charging the gps/cell |
| 03:46.10 | rm_you | which makes it triple use ;P |
| 03:46.23 | yigal | exactly |
| 03:46.24 | Medic119 | cool enough. I really wish the NIT had USB charge.. |
| 03:46.28 | dougt | is osso_initialize() required to be called by every application? |
| 03:46.52 | yigal | dougt: it is? |
| 03:47.14 | dougt | yigal: no idea. |
| 03:47.18 | yigal | no |
| 03:47.22 | yigal | it isn't |
| 03:47.24 | dougt | our last build we are crashing. |
| 03:47.32 | dougt | someone in one of the forums suggested that might be a problem |
| 03:47.42 | dougt | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=876 |
| 03:47.43 | yigal | oh, I shouldn't say anything |
| 03:47.56 | yigal | there are many more knowledgeable folk here |
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| 03:49.04 | Medic119 | later folks |
| 03:49.25 | yigal | later |
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| 03:53.43 | timely | X-Fade: ping |
| 03:54.32 | timely | dougt: if you want your app not to be killed then iirc you want to have called that :) |
| 03:54.36 | timely | or something like that |
| 03:54.43 | dougt | timely: !!! |
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| 03:54.52 | dougt | timely: thanks. another question for you. |
| 03:55.15 | timely | GeneralAntilles: someone, ping |
| 03:55.17 | dougt | we have this idle server creature that lets things know when there isn't any user interaction. |
| 03:55.21 | dougt | do you know how I determine that? |
| 03:55.37 | timely | there's a notice when the screen saver wants to trigger |
| 03:56.58 | yigal | rm_you: man I'm loving being able to ssh this is great |
| 03:57.05 | rm_you | :P |
| 03:57.15 | rm_you | yeah, can't believe you were living without it! |
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| 03:58.39 | yigal | I can't either I felt so empty, now, well now I have ssh |
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| 03:59.03 | Dekaritae | Fring is not supposed to work on N800? |
| 03:59.35 | mouser- | I'd like to get ssh set up as well. I've been looking for tutorials, but some were outdated for the previous OS. |
| 04:00.05 | rm_you | should be as simple as clicking the install fil |
| 04:00.07 | rm_you | *file |
| 04:00.30 | yigal | osso-xterm |
| 04:00.41 | yigal | not so bad |
| 04:02.22 | u1106 | what kind of networking with ssh? |
| 04:03.19 | u1106 | saw IP over USB instructions on maemo.org the other day |
| 04:03.21 | yigal | mouser-: what do you want to set up? |
| 04:03.29 | yigal | that would be great |
| 04:03.37 | yigal | I haven't done it yet |
| 04:03.41 | yigal | that's for sure |
| 04:03.50 | rm_you | meh, wireless FTW |
| 04:04.05 | rm_you | of course, that does require that a wireless network be available :P |
| 04:04.58 | yigal | or bluetooth, etc.. |
| 04:05.27 | rm_you | bluetooth to my PC would be interesting |
| 04:05.37 | yigal | never mind bluetooth is wireless, just another name for wireless |
| 04:05.50 | yigal | although different protocal |
| 04:07.02 | u1106 | and ~100 times less power consumption |
| 04:07.10 | yigal | beautiful |
| 04:09.45 | rm_you | hrm |
| 04:13.23 | yigal | mouser-: seriously what is wrong with your ssh? |
| 04:17.06 | mouser- | yigal: Just brand new to it and haven't figured it out yet, that's all. |
| 04:17.27 | summatusmentis | are any of you skilled at kernel coding? |
| 04:17.43 | rm_you | glances at lardman|gone |
| 04:17.52 | yigal | mouser-: have you installed osso-xterm? |
| 04:17.55 | summatusmentis | he's gone >_> |
| 04:17.59 | rm_you | I've always been meaning to start learning :P |
| 04:18.02 | rm_you | but no :( |
| 04:18.16 | mouser- | yigal: Uh, I've just got the regular xterm installed w/chinook |
| 04:18.29 | summatusmentis | rm_you: d'you know anything about syscall() |
| 04:18.30 | summatusmentis | ? |
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| 04:18.34 | yigal | I've compiled a few but that's as far as I've gone to working wtih the kernel |
| 04:18.42 | yigal | mouser-: great |
| 04:19.03 | yigal | mouser-: and the openssh client/server ? |
| 04:19.07 | mouser- | yes |
| 04:19.17 | yigal | that's all you need :) |
| 04:19.20 | mouser- | yigal: trying to connect to windows xp box |
| 04:19.39 | yigal | ah, to what type of terminal? |
| 04:22.39 | yigal | cygwin? |
| 04:22.40 | rm_you | summatusmentis: nope :( |
| 04:22.40 | mouser- | yigal: You mean what is the client/server on the xp machine? I have winscp |
| 04:22.48 | yigal | owell I'm not going to worry |
| 04:22.58 | rm_you | winscp is not a sever AFAIK |
| 04:22.59 | summatusmentis | rm_you: thanks anyway |
| 04:23.01 | rm_you | I use it a lot |
| 04:23.18 | rm_you | to go from n800 -> PC, you need an SSH server on the PC |
| 04:23.28 | rm_you | you can go from PC -> n800 though with WinSCP |
| 04:23.28 | yigal | mouser-: exactly |
| 04:24.20 | mouser- | rm_you: I understand that, but was unaware it wasn't a server. What would you recommend for a windows-based server? |
| 04:24.40 | summatusmentis | a windows based ssh server? |
| 04:24.44 | summatusmentis | do they exist? |
| 04:24.45 | rm_you | mouser-: I think you can use Cygwin somehow, but I used a different one, err... |
| 04:25.18 | yigal | is putty just a client, yes, never mind, us linux |
| 04:25.24 | yigal | s/us/use/ |
| 04:25.55 | yigal | it didn't use the correction? |
| 04:25.59 | yigal | interesting |
| 04:26.03 | mouser- | It got confused, I think. |
| 04:26.34 | yigal | " |
| 04:26.35 | yigal | :) |
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| 04:27.54 | summatusmentis | yigal: it used it, on the first instance of us it found "juset" |
| 04:28.00 | rm_you | mouser-: could try http://sshwindows.sourceforge.net/ |
| 04:28.09 | summatusmentis | 'nigh all |
| 04:28.11 | summatusmentis | night* |
| 04:28.14 | rm_you | night |
| 04:28.18 | yigal | night |
| 04:29.37 | mouser- | What about using Hamachi as a server on the XP box? I read somewhere that it was possible to connect to that. SSHwindows doesn't seem to have been updated in four years, which makes me a little uneasy. |
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| 04:30.40 | u1106 | is there any difference between osso-xterm and the built-in xterm in diablo? |
| 04:30.43 | yigal | I'm not to support windows so whoever wants to help enjoy |
| 04:31.35 | u1106 | (sorry about the delay, my xchat @ diablo was causing troble) |
| 04:31.50 | u1106 | s/obl/oubl/ |
| 04:32.10 | scaldo1 | hi people. |
| 04:32.15 | yigal | it didn't help for you either, interesting |
| 04:32.18 | scaldo1 | there's suspend-to-ram package https://garage.maemo.org/projects/n800-s2ram |
| 04:32.20 | yigal | scaldo1: hello |
| 04:32.50 | yigal | scaldo1: wow, I like the 10day battery life, and now suspend to ram what next :) |
| 04:33.12 | rm_you | mouser-: hamachi is just VPN, it is not a server |
| 04:33.15 | scaldo1 | I've written it a week ago |
| 04:33.37 | scaldo1 | there was many problems, but no it seems to work :) |
| 04:34.04 | scaldo1 | 3 days, good flight |
| 04:35.21 | mouser- | rm_you: I'm not familiar with the difference, I'm still new to all this. yigal: I'd use Linux if I could, believe me. I found this, however, which might work: http://www.itefix.no/phpws/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=12&MMN_position=22:22 |
| 04:35.32 | rm_you | mouser-: possibly http://www.freesshd.com/ |
| 04:36.31 | scaldo1 | yigal, 10 days - you joke :) |
| 04:37.08 | rm_you | my n800 idles for 8+ |
| 04:37.19 | scaldo1 | if no app is running |
| 04:37.27 | rm_you | i forgot about it for an entire week with it in a box |
| 04:37.32 | scaldo1 | and SD unmounted? |
| 04:37.34 | rm_you | when i had packed and moved |
| 04:37.50 | GAN800 | I get 4 days idle on wifi. |
| 04:37.59 | rm_you | and i was wondering wtf had taken IP 192.168.6.100 on my wireless when i plugged it all in at my new apartment |
| 04:38.10 | rm_you | sshed in to it, it was my n800 :P |
| 04:38.25 | rm_you | it had sat around idling in a box for a weejk |
| 04:38.27 | yigal | scaldo1: not quite serious, but of course I'm not using it for much |
| 04:38.38 | rm_you | and when i plugged my router back in at the new place, it had autoconnected to it :P |
| 04:39.18 | scaldo1 | o_O. dont know. but if pidgin is blinking with its notify icon, it warms |
| 04:39.19 | yigal | scaldo1: jk |
| 04:39.31 | yigal | scaldo1: no pidgin for me |
| 04:41.00 | scaldo1 | I like to run about 10 app at the same time, with 512M virtual memory, and 2-3 days in idle is a record |
| 04:41.22 | yigal | wow!! |
| 04:41.24 | yigal | :) |
| 04:42.16 | scaldo1 | I like to hike, so it is vital if it lives much longer. |
| 04:42.42 | GAN800 | Then close your stupid shut. . . . |
| 04:42.52 | GAN800 | s/shut/shit/ |
| 04:43.10 | rm_you | :P |
| 04:43.26 | rm_you | why you run pidgin while hiking? :P |
| 04:44.03 | GAN800 | lol . . http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=204306&postcount=102 |
| 04:44.08 | scaldo1 | there's no stupid shit. n800 is a pocket comp, 6 years ago I had similar on my table. So I think run more than 2 app is normal. |
| 04:44.11 | GAN800 | Ah, idiots. <_< |
| 04:44.58 | scaldo1 | I sometimes turn on gprs in my phone, and receive some messages (jabber) and email. |
| 04:44.59 | GAN800 | scaldo1, yeah, sure, it can HANDLE it, but you can't do everything and expect good battery life. |
| 04:45.08 | GAN800 | eyeroll. |
| 04:45.44 | scaldo1 | now I think, I expect... |
| 04:45.46 | yigal | scaldo1: yes, I like to hike also, well it's time for nighty nighty, best all |
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| 04:46.07 | scaldo1 | sometmes hike for a week |
| 04:46.28 | scaldo1 | I'll leave no for 2 hours. |
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| 04:48.34 | rm_you | GAN800: theres a kernel of truth in what hes saying, if you ignore a lot of the abrasiveness |
| 04:49.12 | rm_you | TI annoys me with their refusal to release specs, same way Sharp did with the SD stuff for their Zaurus |
| 04:49.38 | rm_you | though in both cases, it may be something about proprietary licenses out of their control |
| 04:50.18 | rm_you | for Sharp I sort of understand their position, as they didn't have the extra resources to put toward getting a different SD chip or doing it themselves |
| 04:50.41 | rm_you | but I think TI does, and they just aren't <_< |
| 04:52.07 | rm_you | Tegra partnering with Microsoft actually bothers me on an entirely unspeakable level though <_< |
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| 04:58.52 | rm_you | does the n8x0 use OMAP2420? |
| 05:00.58 | GeneralAntilles | Yes. |
| 05:01.41 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, TI is much MUCH better with OMAP3 |
| 05:01.47 | GeneralAntilles | and the PowerVR stuff is out of their control |
| 05:01.57 | rm_you | yeah |
| 05:02.00 | rm_you | like Sharp + SD |
| 05:02.26 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, I mostly object to the Tegra bullshit |
| 05:02.38 | GeneralAntilles | Well, A. Tegra isn't any faster than the chip we've got now |
| 05:02.53 | GeneralAntilles | and B. Nvidia has already SAID Linux support isn't a priority |
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| 05:03.02 | GeneralAntilles | and TI is DEFINITELY behind Linux support with OMAP3 |
| 05:03.07 | rm_you | yeah |
| 05:03.12 | GeneralAntilles | I mean, look at the OMAP35xx |
| 05:03.20 | GeneralAntilles | That's BASICALLY a Linux chip |
| 05:03.25 | GeneralAntilles | Beagle is mostly TI's doing. |
| 05:03.43 | rm_you | yeah |
| 05:03.50 | rm_you | was just looking at beagle |
| 05:03.53 | GeneralAntilles | Just this whole "Nvidia is gonna be so much kooler!" |
| 05:04.29 | GeneralAntilles | Get back to me when they actually ship something |
| 05:04.39 | GeneralAntilles | and then get back to me again when they actually ship something with Linux support |
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| 05:05.14 | GeneralAntilles | Man, I hiked 6 miles tonight while dodging rent-a-cop patrols. |
| 05:06.04 | timely | GeneralAntilles: so is andre_ the only one who deals w/ bugs.maemo.org policy? |
| 05:06.10 | timely | i'd like to turn of "buglist" whines |
| 05:06.22 | jga23 | is there any way to map the back button on the n810 to rotate the screen? |
| 05:06.35 | GeneralAntilles | timely, andre and karsten are the bugmasters. |
| 05:06.47 | GeneralAntilles | But I'd say it's more a community thing now these days. |
| 05:06.50 | timely | "where are they now?" :) |
| 05:06.51 | GeneralAntilles | "buglist"? |
| 05:07.07 | GeneralAntilles | timely, recovering from GUADEC still, it seems like. <_< |
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| 05:07.19 | timely | file a bug against yourself (NEW), but don't ACCEPT (ASSIGNED) it |
| 05:07.31 | timely | leave it alone for a week. you'll get a mail complaining your buglist needs your attention |
| 05:07.50 | rm_you | jga23: yes |
| 05:08.04 | rm_you | jga23: xmodmap i believe could do it |
| 05:08.22 | rm_you | are you using advanced-backlight for screen rotation? |
| 05:08.55 | rm_you | hrm, tho nm, you would have to have that app open for internal keybinds to work |
| 05:08.56 | Atarii | rm_you hey! |
| 05:09.03 | rm_you | jga23: xmodmap is your best option |
| 05:09.04 | rm_you | Atarii: hey |
| 05:09.05 | GeneralAntilles | timely, file an enhancement request? :D |
| 05:09.11 | jga23 | rm_you: yes and sliderotate |
| 05:09.33 | rm_you | Atarii: no news yet, can't find anything that changed really... |
| 05:09.35 | jga23 | rm_you: will xmodmap persist after reboot? |
| 05:09.42 | rm_you | jga23: i believe so if you set it up right |
| 05:09.59 | Atarii | ah ok |
| 05:10.00 | rm_you | ... ANYTHING can persist across reboot if you set it up right, though, so meh :P |
| 05:10.09 | rm_you | Atarii: but i need more info from you |
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| 05:10.49 | Atarii | sure |
| 05:10.50 | rm_you | wow netsplit |
| 05:10.50 | rm_you | good, we're both on this side :P |
| 05:10.50 | Atarii | lol lucky |
| 05:10.50 | rm_you | anyway, can you purge 13-6 and go back to 13-1 and make sure it does work |
| 05:10.52 | Atarii | ok |
| 05:10.57 | Atarii | 13-5* you mean |
| 05:11.12 | Atarii | there isnt a public 13-6 is there? |
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| 05:11.35 | rm_you | and then go to 13-5 again and see if it still is broken |
| 05:11.37 | rm_you | ack did i srsly never give you 13-6? |
| 05:11.37 | timely | GeneralAntilles: yeah... |
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| 05:11.41 | rm_you | one second |
| 05:11.45 | rm_you | that is ack :P |
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| 05:12.56 | rm_you | johnx: yay lost you for a sec :P |
| 05:14.11 | rm_you | X-Fade: is there a page or something about using dput with the new pipeline? |
| 05:15.39 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, wiki should cover it. |
| 05:16.06 | GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras |
| 05:16.42 | timely | X-Fade: when will the certs be fixed? |
| 05:16.45 | timely | safari doesn't like you |
| 05:17.12 | jga23 | where do I need to place icons for them to be found by personal-menu? |
| 05:22.54 | GeneralAntilles | timely, can the default saved search set be easily changed? |
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| 05:27.50 | timely | GeneralAntilles: globally? |
| 05:28.32 | timely | defaultquery |
| 05:28.32 | timely | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:28.43 | timely | yes, "trivial" :) |
| 05:29.03 | timely | (err trivially) |
| 05:29.41 | GeneralAntilles | OK, good |
| 05:30.39 | GeneralAntilles | There was a . . . discussion, of sorts, that came up on itT about how much Bugzilla "sux", and the one useful thing that might've come out of it is changing the default search set to include a few more things. |
| 05:30.50 | timely | what do you want? |
| 05:30.51 | GeneralAntilles | Like recently created and recently updated bugs. |
| 05:30.59 | timely | oh brother |
| 05:31.07 | timely | have you been to bmo (bugzilla.mozilla.org)? |
| 05:31.30 | timely | the front page has "Bugs Filed Today" |
| 05:32.06 | timely | curses |
| 05:33.38 | timely | GeneralAntilles: you don't really want to try to build a single query that shows all these things |
| 05:33.41 | timely | it's mostly just mean |
| 05:33.53 | timely | if you want the front page to have links to them, that's easier |
| 05:34.47 | timely | especially, the default query is what you get when you've decided that the starting queries you have suck and want to search for something else |
| 05:34.57 | timely | having to delete a dozen boolean charts would not make anyone happy |
| 05:36.07 | rm_you | YAY |
| 05:36.10 | rm_you | jeebus |
| 05:36.13 | rm_you | dput works |
| 05:36.25 | rm_you | doing it via w3m on my buildbox was getting *OLD* |
| 05:36.54 | GeneralAntilles | timely, yeah, I haven't thought particularly hard on this one yet, but I'd like there to be a few links you could click on on the front page to get a sort of glimpse into what actually goes on. |
| 05:37.04 | GeneralAntilles | As there really isn't much to see with the current set up. |
| 05:37.34 | timely | as usual, i've been there for years |
| 05:37.52 | timely | the right thing to do is *not* to change the default query, but to improve the front page :) |
| 05:38.05 | timely | visit a couple of bugzillas, steal ideas / queries from their front pages |
| 05:38.09 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, that makes a lot more sense. |
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| 05:39.58 | Atarii | bbl |
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| 05:45.32 | Italodance | Maemo Summit is free for travel!? |
| 05:46.23 | jga23 | rm_you: do you know the keycode for the back button on the n810 or how to find it? |
| 05:46.58 | qwerty12 | xev gives keycodes |
| 05:47.06 | rm_you | Atarii: NOOOO |
| 05:47.16 | rm_you | gah missed you by 8 minutes |
| 05:47.28 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: got your 770? or is it in the car again? :P |
| 05:47.29 | jga23 | qwerty12: I don't have that on my tablet, is there any other way? |
| 05:47.42 | rm_you | jga23: install it on your tablet? :P |
| 05:47.47 | GeneralAntilles | It's upstairs |
| 05:47.53 | GeneralAntilles | I'm downstairs on the couch |
| 05:47.54 | GeneralAntilles | meh. |
| 05:48.10 | qwerty12 | jga23: no afaik, but I've only ever used xev :) |
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| 05:57.43 | jga23 | how do I map the key to use xrandr? |
| 05:57.58 | jga23 | it looks like xmodmap can I just map to another key |
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| 05:58.45 | qwerty12 | It's probably easier downloading emjayes python sliderotate and editing that. |
| 05:59.02 | jga23 | good call |
| 06:03.46 | rm_you | can't you have xmodmap run a command? |
| 06:03.50 | rm_you | meh, thought you could |
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| 06:07.47 | Italodance | YEAH! |
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| 06:29.49 | Italodance | who is For Maemo in OSiM World 2008 Here? |
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| 06:33.19 | rm_you | I *hope* to go. :) We'll see if they let me |
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| 06:36.29 | befr0d_ | Hi. |
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| 06:40.57 | befr0d_ | is it possible to view the saved passwords on microb? |
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| 06:44.36 | atul | Hi facing problem ? /scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set |
| 06:44.36 | atul | How to resolve it. |
| 06:44.54 | befr0d_ | nevermind, just used javascript:alert(document.frm.input) approach |
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| 06:53.26 | atul | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:54.11 | timely | befr0d: you could probably use a bookmarlet that removed the type=password attrbiute |
| 06:54.41 | timely | https://www.squarefree.com/bookmarklets/forms.html |
| 06:54.50 | timely | you want "view passwords" |
| 06:56.41 | timely | makes a note to add it and a link to squarefree to a blog post |
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| 07:08.28 | befr0d_ | timely, thanks, just added it. |
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| 07:35.14 | atul | Can any one did this CPU Transparency howto ? inside Scratch-box? |
| 07:38.58 | lcuk_zzz | cheat: take a picture of the background, merge it yourself and paint your item |
| 07:39.06 | lcuk_work | goes again |
| 07:44.27 | zap | atul: transparency works fine for me, without setup |
| 07:44.34 | zap | atul: do you use a debian-based system? |
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| 07:57.50 | rm_you | just posted a new iconset for Advanced Backlight :) it is horrible looking, but is a proof of concept for the iconset script :) |
| 07:58.00 | rm_you | and I may still use it for a while, lol |
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| 08:04.31 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:04.42 | rm_you | morning |
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| 08:09.06 | lbt | g'day |
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| 08:10.57 | timely | hi jaska |
| 08:10.58 | timely | hi Jaffa |
| 08:11.03 | timely | sighs |
| 08:11.16 | timely | t_s_o: pong? |
| 08:11.22 | t_s_o | ping |
| 08:12.52 | t_s_o | hmm, timely, timeless, whos who :P |
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| 08:14.19 | timely | all me |
| 08:14.32 | timely | infobot, me? |
| 08:14.39 | timely | infobot, timeless? |
| 08:14.45 | timely | infobot: literal timeless |
| 08:14.51 | timely | infobot: status |
| 08:14.51 | infobot | Since Mon Jul 14 18:39:43 2008, there have been 46 modifications, 509 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 397 commands. I have been awake for 3d 13h 35m 8s this session, and currently reference 114980 factoids. I'm using about 20496 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 8551.54/377.23 child 0.01/0.02 |
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| 08:15.22 | timely | infobot: i am timeless |
| 08:15.23 | infobot | it is my pleasure to meet you, timeless |
| 08:15.28 | timely | infobot: timelyx is timeless |
| 08:15.29 | infobot | okay, timely |
| 08:15.33 | t_s_o | ok, seems my browser issue most likely was related to a damaged microb-engine install or something like that... |
| 08:15.34 | timely | infobot who am i? |
| 08:15.35 | infobot | timely shut up, you are a nobody |
| 08:15.50 | timely | infobot timely is timeless |
| 08:15.50 | infobot | timely: okay |
| 08:15.58 | timely | stupid bot |
| 08:16.18 | timely | t_s_o: um, how does one damage a microb-engine? :) |
| 08:16.52 | t_s_o | shit if i know... |
| 08:16.57 | lbt | timely: you said "timelyx<--- is timeless" |
| 08:17.23 | timely | lbt: some infobots shortcut "i am" to "%user is" |
| 08:17.45 | timely | this one instead shortcut it to a greeting module |
| 08:17.56 | lbt | 2nd time you tried, you had an extra 'x' |
| 08:17.57 | timely | a rather /rude/ greeting module, i might add |
| 08:17.58 | lbt | I think |
| 08:18.13 | timely | lbt: yes, i know. i irc as both |
| 08:18.49 | timelyx | the only reason i was timely here is because #maemo-meeting was +m and i got disconnected |
| 08:18.57 | timelyx | so when i tried to reconnect, i got timely (timelyx was in use) |
| 08:19.10 | timelyx | but i couldn't capture my nick when it dropped because of the +m |
| 08:19.11 | rm_you | infobot: who is timeless |
| 08:19.12 | infobot | rm_you: what are you talking about? |
| 08:19.15 | rm_you | infobot: who is timelyx |
| 08:19.15 | infobot | methinks timelyx is timeless |
| 08:19.19 | rm_you | infobot: who is timely |
| 08:19.20 | infobot | hmm... timely is timeless |
| 08:20.08 | timelyx | infobot timeless is @gmail.com, he works on microb, see timeless's blog |
| 08:20.08 | infobot | timelyx: okay |
| 08:20.21 | rm_you | infobot: who is timeless |
| 08:20.22 | infobot | somebody said timeless was @gmail.com, he works on microb, see timeless's blog |
| 08:20.35 | rm_you | hrm |
| 08:21.29 | t_s_o | anyways, all i know is that after i managed to reinstall microb-engine and all the packages that depended on it, the browser started working again... |
| 08:21.30 | rm_you | infobot: I am the maintainer of Advanced Backlight, can be reached at aharwell (at) trinity (dot) edu, and is currently a student in San Antonio, TX. |
| 08:21.31 | infobot | it is my pleasure to meet you, the maintainer of Advanced Backlight, can be reached at aharwell (at) trinity (dot) edu, and is currently a student in San Antonio, TX. |
| 08:21.45 | rm_you | infobot: who is rm_yiu |
| 08:21.46 | infobot | I think you lost me on that one, rm_you |
| 08:21.47 | rm_you | infobot: who is rm_you |
| 08:21.47 | infobot | I think you lost me on that one, rm_you |
| 08:21.50 | rm_you | hrm |
| 08:22.02 | timelyx | rm_you: you have to use " rm_you is ..." |
| 08:22.10 | timelyx | because this infobot is annoying |
| 08:22.11 | rm_you | infobot: rm_you is the maintainer of Advanced Backlight, can be reached at aharwell (at) trinity (dot) edu, and is currently a student in San Antonio, TX. |
| 08:22.12 | infobot | rm_you: okay |
| 08:22.15 | rm_you | yay |
| 08:22.17 | rm_you | infobot: who is rm_you |
| 08:22.18 | infobot | from memory, rm_you is the maintainer of Advanced Backlight, can be reached at aharwell (at) trinity (dot) edu, and is currently a student in San Antonio, TX. |
| 08:22.27 | rm_you | sweet. |
| 08:23.10 | rm_you | infobot: rm_you is the maintainer of Advanced Backlight, can be reached at aharwell (at) trinity (dot) edu, and is currently a student in San Antonio, TX. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16531 |
| 08:23.10 | infobot | ...but rm_you is already something else... |
| 08:23.14 | rm_you | bah |
| 08:23.16 | rm_you | infobot: who is rm_you |
| 08:23.16 | infobot | i guess rm_you is the maintainer of Advanced Backlight, can be reached at aharwell (at) trinity (dot) edu, and is currently a student in San Antonio, TX. |
| 08:23.26 | rm_you | i give up |
| 08:23.33 | rm_you | good thing I didn't typo anything the first time :P |
| 08:24.06 | timelyx | infobot rm_you is also microb is Mozilla based browser for maemo, built on Gecko by Nokia for their Tablet devices line, http://browser.garage.maemo.org/ - http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/index.xml |
| 08:24.06 | infobot | timelyx: okay |
| 08:24.07 | timelyx | oops |
| 08:24.11 | timelyx | clipboard error :) |
| 08:24.24 | rm_you | LOL |
| 08:24.30 | rm_you | infobot: who is rm_you |
| 08:24.31 | infobot | rm_you: what are you talking about? |
| 08:24.34 | rm_you | >_< |
| 08:24.48 | rm_you | infobot: who is rm_you |
| 08:24.49 | infobot | methinks rm_you is the maintainer of Advanced Backlight, can be reached at aharwell (at) trinity (dot) edu, and is currently a student in San Antonio, TX. |
| 08:24.52 | rm_you | wtf |
| 08:24.58 | timelyx | infobot rm_you is also http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16531 |
| 08:24.59 | infobot | okay, timelyx |
| 08:25.04 | rm_you | AH |
| 08:25.17 | timelyx | infobot rm_you? |
| 08:25.18 | infobot | rumour has it, rm_you is the maintainer of Advanced Backlight, can be reached at aharwell (at) trinity (dot) edu, and is currently a student in San Antonio, TX. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16531 |
| 08:25.30 | rm_you | infobot: clear rm_you |
| 08:25.36 | timelyx | rm_you: "forget" |
| 08:25.42 | rm_you | infobot: forget rm_you |
| 08:25.42 | infobot | i forgot rm_you, rm_you |
| 08:25.43 | rm_you | lol |
| 08:25.45 | timelyx | note that you can talk to it directly |
| 08:25.50 | rm_you | ok |
| 08:25.55 | timelyx | which is why you may get surprising results |
| 08:25.59 | timelyx | especially when watching me |
| 08:26.03 | rm_you | heh |
| 08:26.12 | timelyx | since i'll only stick certain parts of a conversation in the channel |
| 08:26.28 | rm_you | never used an infobot before :P |
| 08:26.30 | timelyx | if i'm just fixing things and don't think anyone needs to care that i'm doing it, i'll do it outside |
| 08:26.40 | rm_you | infobot: who am I |
| 08:26.40 | infobot | rm_you shut up, you are a nobody |
| 08:26.41 | timelyx | if i'm teaching, it'll obviously be here :) |
| 08:26.49 | rm_you | infobot: who is rm_you |
| 08:26.50 | infobot | well, rm_you is the maintainer of Advanced Backlight, can be reached at aharwell (at) trinity (dot) edu, and is currently a student in San Antonio, TX. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16531 |
| 08:26.57 | rm_you | it should respond to who am I |
| 08:27.04 | rm_you | ah well |
| 08:27.08 | timelyx | some variants do |
| 08:27.10 | rm_you | wonder if it is open source :P |
| 08:27.13 | timelyx | it is |
| 08:27.28 | timelyx | word on moznet is an infobot |
| 08:27.29 | timelyx | much friendly |
| 08:27.35 | timelyx | s/y/ier/ |
| 08:27.45 | timelyx | good bot |
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| 08:31.33 | rm_you | ~advanced-backlight |
| 08:31.34 | infobot | somebody said advanced-backlight was a combined backlight and volume applet for the 770, N800 and N810. It makes available all 127 levels of the backlight and now contains rotation support (when the appropriate packages are installed). More information here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16531 |
| 08:31.39 | rm_you | sweet |
| 08:31.41 | rm_you | ok. |
| 08:32.21 | rm_you | infobot is useful :) |
| 08:32.34 | timelyx | infobot is what you make of it ... |
| 08:32.54 | rm_you | s/:)/for something besides fixing errors in text :)/ |
| 08:35.18 | aquatix | :) |
| 08:35.31 | lcuk_work | ~lart infobot |
| 08:35.31 | infobot | beats lcuk_work over the head with a microkernel |
| 08:35.40 | aquatix | lol |
| 08:35.44 | lcuk_work | \o/ |
| 08:37.01 | lcuk_work | disassembles infobots control algorithm |
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| 08:45.13 | gregorovius | Hi... I wanted to ask a simple question to which I haven't found an answer... how long does the battery of a nokia 8x0 last while playing music, with the screen mostly turned off? |
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| 08:45.30 | gregorovius | is it a viable replacement to a portable music player? |
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| 08:46.21 | alsor | hircus, there, someone used the sbrsh? |
| 08:47.02 | alsor | i found sbrsh support to use nfs or sshfs. which better? |
| 08:47.24 | gregorovius | I'm particularly worried about what I read about ogg support, since a good part of my music is in ogg |
| 08:47.48 | Stskeeps | alsor: i'm inclined towards nfs as it's a real FS :P |
| 08:48.46 | rm_you | gregorovius: well, lardman wrote a dsp decoder for ogg, so i think it is in good shape? |
| 08:49.10 | rm_you | gregorovius: but, if you're ONLY going to use it as a music player, I'm not sure... |
| 08:49.18 | gregorovius | no, no, of course not |
| 08:49.24 | rm_you | gregorovius: i would definitely get an n800 over an n810 though |
| 08:49.31 | aquatix | rm_you: hm, is that the ogg-support package? |
| 08:49.53 | gregorovius | I thought ogg decoding only happened in the cpu |
| 08:49.54 | alsor | Stskeeps, yah, thanks. i tried the sshfs for hours, and want to use nfs instead...:( |
| 08:49.55 | Jaffa | Need a second opinion on karnhack's new logos ( ), too similar to Opened Hand's? http://o-hand.com/ |
| 08:50.01 | rm_you | gregorovius: n800 = 2xSD, which right now means you can get 32GB in it, versus n810 which is 1xMiniSD, which means only like 8G >_> |
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| 08:50.11 | Jaffa | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_logo_contest_submissions#karnhack |
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| 08:50.19 | aquatix | rm_you: and the 2GB internal flash ;) |
| 08:50.22 | aquatix | but indeed :( |
| 08:50.23 | rm_you | pft |
| 08:50.35 | gregorovius | rm_you: yeah, I would get a used n800, mainly because of the price |
| 08:50.43 | rm_you | gregorovius: I get about 6 hours if i only listen to music |
| 08:50.49 | aquatix | loves his n810 nonetheless |
| 08:51.04 | rm_you | gregorovius: i think... maybe more |
| 08:51.07 | gregorovius | hmp... 6 hours is less than I was hoping for |
| 08:51.13 | gregorovius | right now I've got a meizu m6 |
| 08:51.17 | rm_you | i almost never JUST listen to music for a whole 6 hours tho |
| 08:51.17 | aquatix | rm_you: lardman's ogg stuff, is that http://ogg.garage.maemo.org/ or another project? |
| 08:51.27 | gregorovius | does ogg, flac, and gets like 25 hours of playtime |
| 08:51.28 | rm_you | so that could be skewed, it's the only figure i remember tho |
| 08:51.44 | rm_you | yeah not going to get much more than 10 if that |
| 08:51.47 | rm_you | :( |
| 08:51.51 | aquatix | gregorovius: ah, what do you think of it? i thought about buying one too |
| 08:52.18 | gregorovius | aquatix: the hardware is solid, sound quality is good, software... meh, so-so |
| 08:52.33 | gregorovius | it's really finicky about what videos it will play |
| 08:52.45 | aquatix | video i don't really care about |
| 08:52.56 | rm_you | gregorovius: if you want video, the 800 is very good |
| 08:52.58 | aquatix | i'll watch those on my n810 or at home on my tft :) |
| 08:53.04 | rm_you | gregorovius: that's mostly what I care about |
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| 08:53.05 | gregorovius | it has a couple gripes, but overall I like it and the battery life is great |
| 08:53.15 | rm_you | it plays very nice video at a decent size |
| 08:53.28 | rm_you | i get about 4 hours of video too |
| 08:53.49 | aquatix | yeah, at least |
| 08:53.51 | gregorovius | right now I want something to check emails, play music and the ocassional game or rss reading |
| 08:54.07 | gregorovius | so basically i'm between an ipod touch and a n800 |
| 08:54.11 | aquatix | i watched a long evening full of Lost with a battery that wasn't even full in the first place |
| 08:54.14 | gregorovius | and I really hate apple philosophy |
| 08:54.31 | aquatix | gregorovius: i can recommend the n8x0 |
| 08:54.43 | glass | gregorovius: then you'll be happier with 800/810 |
| 08:54.45 | aquatix | [personally i like the n810 better: smaller, keyboard etc] |
| 08:54.53 | glass | gregorovius: no need to use itunes, or jailbreak to use decent apps |
| 08:54.56 | aquatix | does the touch do rss? |
| 08:55.09 | aquatix | glass: indeed, use whatever you want on it |
| 08:55.11 | aquatix | loves |
| 08:55.13 | gregorovius | not sure, I didn't check, but there's always google reader |
| 08:55.24 | aquatix | gregorovius: true |
| 08:55.25 | glass | the touch doesn't do bt dialup though |
| 08:55.32 | aquatix | the microb browser is awesome though |
| 08:55.40 | aquatix | and at 800x480 works really well |
| 08:55.52 | glass | yeah the screen is awesome for web |
| 08:55.59 | gregorovius | I use linux, don't even have windows installed, so the idea of using gtkpod to transfer music, jailbraking, blah, not my thing |
| 08:56.04 | Jaffa | X-Fade: ping |
| 08:56.15 | glass | gregorovius: does gtkpod even support touch, at all? |
| 08:56.15 | aquatix | gregorovius: bt dialup/gprs etc is really easy with the n8x0 too btw :) |
| 08:56.22 | aquatix | gregorovius: heh, indeed |
| 08:56.27 | aquatix | glass: iirc, no |
| 08:56.35 | gregorovius | heh, worse yet |
| 08:56.39 | glass | yeah as it's no onger an usb drive |
| 08:56.41 | glass | l |
| 08:56.47 | glass | like ipod classics |
| 08:56.50 | aquatix | it isn't? eek |
| 08:57.08 | glass | nope, itunes apple-properiaty format thing |
| 08:57.12 | rm_you | oh woah, just by accident found out thunderbird does email sorting with threaded conversations :P |
| 08:57.13 | rm_you | sweet |
| 08:57.17 | glass | the apple way |
| 08:57.20 | gregorovius | so my main concern is if the 800 does ok as a music player, got any gripes about that? |
| 08:57.24 | aquatix | rm_you: nifty eh? :) |
| 08:57.50 | rm_you | also just found out that modest finally supports my imap inbox |
| 08:58.01 | melmoth | gregorovius: i prefer to still carry my old iriver with me. |
| 08:58.07 | rm_you | but it has issues realizing things are read (or marking them as read on the server) |
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| 08:58.25 | gregorovius | melmoth: why so? |
| 08:58.27 | melmoth | most of the music application focus on whistle and bells wiht the gui. |
| 08:58.31 | rm_you | in fact i dont see any real distinction between read and unread >_> |
| 08:58.36 | aquatix | rm_you: i found out it generally marks email as `read' when you switch away from the folder |
| 08:58.44 | rm_you | ... |
| 08:58.51 | aquatix | rm_you: at least, with the version in diablo |
| 08:58.53 | melmoth | did not find one that play ogg and mp3, that started fast without trying to index all my cards and video |
| 08:58.56 | aquatix | before that, it just didn't work |
| 08:58.57 | rm_you | i dont ever switch out of my inbox.,.. |
| 08:59.03 | rm_you | so, that is not so useful |
| 08:59.09 | rm_you | claws does it correctly at least >_> |
| 08:59.19 | aquatix | rm_you: ah, i use imap because of the huge amount of folders i have ;) |
| 08:59.22 | rm_you | though, it is catching up in usability :) |
| 08:59.23 | melmoth | that could cope with all episodes of dimention X and being able to browse them easily |
| 08:59.26 | aquatix | yeah, claws rocks |
| 08:59.50 | aquatix | melmoth: mpd? ) |
| 08:59.57 | aquatix | with a gui |
| 09:00.20 | rm_you | melmoth: xmms? :P |
| 09:00.27 | aquatix | or does that index too [only in the dirs you want though] |
| 09:00.33 | melmoth | i havent tested those 2. |
| 09:00.49 | rm_you | xmms is winamp for linux, lol |
| 09:00.55 | melmoth | but i am currently happy with my iriver for audio. I use the n810 for maps, ebook and video. |
| 09:01.01 | melmoth | and ssh client of course :) |
| 09:01.05 | rm_you | and isnt really integrated with hildon :P but, lol |
| 09:01.12 | gregorovius | I'd rather not carry more than 1 device at a time |
| 09:01.18 | rm_you | yeah, i do like canola, even if it loads SLOW |
| 09:01.20 | melmoth | thats the negative point. |
| 09:01.33 | gregorovius | is it slow, rm_you? |
| 09:01.35 | melmoth | but as i am carrying already a phone anyway, hey, what about a third device :) |
| 09:01.43 | rm_you | it isn't slow once its open |
| 09:01.54 | rm_you | and it looks like a real professional music player frontend for a device |
| 09:02.00 | melmoth | i havent tested canola because of licencing issues |
| 09:02.02 | rm_you | but it takes like 25 seconds to open :P |
| 09:02.10 | rm_you | it is very good IMO |
| 09:02.33 | gregorovius | well, my meizu takes at least 10 seconds to boot, I don't mind waiting a bit if it's fast once it's open |
| 09:02.39 | rm_you | the lack of openness is annoying, but meh |
| 09:02.44 | aquatix | canola2 is the most beautiful program i ever saw on a handheld</just_saying> |
| 09:02.48 | rm_you | yeah |
| 09:02.52 | rm_you | agrees with aquatix |
| 09:03.38 | gregorovius | well, I only hope battery life is at least decent when only playing music |
| 09:03.45 | rm_you | WOW. |
| 09:03.47 | gregorovius | 6 hours sounds a little on the low side |
| 09:04.07 | rm_you | 25seconds was just a random estimate i threw out, so i just now opened it to count and give an actual number... and i counted to exactly 25 seconds. >_< |
| 09:04.14 | aquatix | gregorovius: maybe google knows some more accurate numbers |
| 09:04.21 | aquatix | rm_you: lol |
| 09:04.28 | gregorovius | aquatix: I couldn't find any figures on that |
| 09:04.29 | Italodance | canola still has problem with open and play videos |
| 09:04.32 | aquatix | oh |
| 09:04.41 | aquatix | Italodance: even with mplayer installed? |
| 09:04.41 | rm_you | Italodance: works... alright. |
| 09:04.52 | rm_you | not as fast as just standalone mplayer, but still decent |
| 09:04.56 | aquatix | just uses plain mplayer for videos though |
| 09:04.59 | rm_you | my videos all play fine |
| 09:05.09 | Italodance | aquatix yes Unfortunately |
| 09:05.17 | aquatix | Italodance: :( |
| 09:05.46 | Italodance | aquatix i had beta1 before 9 and worked like a charm |
| 09:05.52 | rm_you | Italodance: don't know why it doesn't work for you :( works for me still |
| 09:05.59 | gregorovius | oh, one more thing... i've read some stuff about reduced battery life with os2008, have any of you noticed anything? |
| 09:06.03 | rm_you | in Diablo with latest Canola (updated today) |
| 09:06.12 | rm_you | gregorovius: not really. seems the same to me |
| 09:06.20 | rm_you | gregorovius: pretty much exactly the same actually. |
| 09:06.38 | gregorovius | good to hear, thanks |
| 09:06.51 | Italodance | rm_you i told to handful (in IT Canola Forum) and He Promised To Me For Fix It on beta10 |
| 09:07.02 | aquatix | rm_you: do you know whether lardman is still working on dsp-tremor? the project site is a bit quiet |
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| 09:07.17 | melmoth | i felt a small change when switching to chinook (i m not in diablo yet). instead of having to put recharge the unit once per week, it was once every 4 day or something |
| 09:07.27 | Italodance | also + long start loading |
| 09:07.54 | melmoth | except of course when i use the gps a lot, but for short and intensive usage, i did not feel any difference |
| 09:08.08 | aquatix | mem usage seems higher than with chinook, but i guess that's because of browserd |
| 09:08.39 | gregorovius | browser daemon? what for? |
| 09:08.55 | Italodance | mplayer can't play good mp4 videos yet...and Think About canola! well u will see the same problems! But Canola2 beta1 was very good for me before! |
| 09:09.03 | aquatix | gregorovius: a process for starting up the microb browser faster |
| 09:09.17 | timelyx | gregorovius: partially so that the browser ui is able to respond while the layout engine is busy |
| 09:09.28 | aquatix | Italodance: err, i have watched quite some mpeg4 videos with it already |
| 09:09.29 | gregorovius | i see |
| 09:09.50 | timelyx | it also means that when the browser engine crashes, you can at least go back to the web pages (even if you lose your form data) |
| 09:10.10 | aquatix | timelyx: ah? how? |
| 09:10.16 | GDE | there is a process in diablo to make the browser responsed quicker? |
| 09:10.24 | aquatix | timelyx: or do you mean with history? |
| 09:10.25 | rm_you | aquatix: i doubt it, because AFAIK it is done? ask him when he gets on :/ |
| 09:10.33 | timelyx | aquatix: the browser ui knows what pages you |
| 09:10.35 | aquatix | rm_you: i'll do, thanks |
| 09:10.45 | timelyx | re at... when the daemon crashes, it's respawned and the ui tells it where to go |
| 09:10.46 | GDE | funny thung is I find it to be slower and it actually crashes more often |
| 09:10.54 | rm_you | Italodance: mp4?!?!?! |
| 09:10.55 | aquatix | timelyx: ah yeah |
| 09:11.01 | Italodance | aquatix but this problem is available for mplayer and we talked about it in the past! also read mplayer topics on IT forum,,,the owner of project is still working on |
| 09:11.08 | aquatix | rm_you: short hand for mpeg4 video |
| 09:11.14 | aquatix | which is just a container anyway |
| 09:11.15 | Italodance | rm_you y |
| 09:11.17 | atul | zap am using debina based system only. Its Ubuntu ! |
| 09:11.22 | rm_you | aquatix: I know... and plays horribly on N800 |
| 09:11.23 | timelyx | GDE: it's not to make the layout respond quicker |
| 09:11.29 | rm_you | aquatix: it is commonly h264 |
| 09:11.33 | timelyx | it's to make the toolbar respond *at all* while the layout is *Busy* |
| 09:11.34 | aquatix | yeah |
| 09:11.39 | GDE | question: I haven't updated canola2 yet, is it faster? |
| 09:11.45 | forge | :o |
| 09:11.48 | timelyx | sighs |
| 09:11.55 | timelyx | really needs to blog about browserd |
| 09:11.57 | timelyx | maybe today? |
| 09:12.01 | GDE | any improvment on the gaps between the songs? |
| 09:12.17 | rm_you | Italodance: .mp4 video is most commonly h264 encoded video, which plays very badly on the tablets. try playing something that is encoded properly with xvid |
| 09:12.39 | rm_you | Italodance: try this video and tell me if it plays better: http://www.ageofikon.info/N10-Haruhi.avi |
| 09:12.50 | ShadowJK | What kind of h264 resolution will the N800/810 play? |
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| 09:13.06 | ShadowJK | I imagine it's a bit lower than the xvid res it can do.. |
| 09:13.12 | aquatix | rm_you: hm, i watch videos in `iso mpeg-4 (ffmpeg)'; is that h264? :/ |
| 09:13.14 | Italodance | rm_you no media player can play them very good only mplayer has this problem |
| 09:13.43 | aquatix | ah no, i guess that's xvid |
| 09:13.45 | Italodance | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20253&page=19 |
| 09:13.57 | Italodance | handful: |
| 09:13.58 | Italodance | Slow / videos not playing / Diablo : Diablo is not supported dudes : / we are rushing like crazys to support it but it will not do too much if only Canola is fully ported. Mplayer, etc etc needs to be 100% diablo also to everything be fine again... |
| 09:14.08 | aquatix | ShadowJK: generally it's recommended to watch 320x240 movies i think |
| 09:14.09 | Italodance | but i have chinook |
| 09:14.11 | rm_you | Italodance: i know. |
| 09:14.37 | rm_you | Italodance: I realize that the basic media player plays the h264 videos... but it still is nothing compared to xvid. try the video I sent you |
| 09:14.46 | GDE | so Canola is fully ported now? |
| 09:14.59 | Stskeeps | ShadowJK: i'm about to compile a kernel on tablet. i'm sure it'll burst into flames |
| 09:15.20 | t_s_o | ugh, that will take hours... |
| 09:15.21 | aquatix | Stskeeps: we'll keep the firefighters ready on our phone ;) |
| 09:15.25 | rm_you | Italodance: the problem has nothing to do with Diablo |
| 09:15.45 | ShadowJK | Stskeeps: you don't believe in crosscompiling eh? |
| 09:16.01 | Stskeeps | ShadowJK: crosscompiling is for people who haven't compiled a kernel on a 50mhz |
| 09:16.22 | aquatix | Stskeeps: have fun ;) |
| 09:16.29 | ShadowJK | hm |
| 09:16.38 | aquatix | [back in those days, the tree was a bit smaller i guess] |
| 09:16.44 | ShadowJK | I compiled on 133mhz 16meg ram once, the N800 should be fine, surely :) |
| 09:16.52 | ShadowJK | but that was linux 2.4 |
| 09:18.27 | gregorovius | oh, one more Q: do you think the next os release will still support the n800? I'm afraid it'll be left behind as the 770 |
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| 09:19.34 | melmoth | yep i think it will support it. |
| 09:19.45 | Stskeeps | gregorovius: no clue.. but also a good reason why it's good to have stuff like debian in case the device(s) go EOL |
| 09:19.52 | GDE | any rumours on the next OS? |
| 09:20.02 | timelyx | GDE: you mean Fremantle? |
| 09:20.08 | melmoth | what would be the point of having made a daible able to upgrade without any reflash if it was not to prepare at least one upgrade after ? |
| 09:20.09 | timelyx | there were probably even slides ... |
| 09:20.27 | GDE | fremantle is the next one? |
| 09:20.28 | timelyx | melmoth: well, for one, we intend to do a live update for sprint :) |
| 09:20.37 | aquatix | gregorovius: well, it uses basically the same hardware as the n810, so i guess it will |
| 09:20.40 | GDE | what's the story on that one? |
| 09:20.53 | rm_you | timelyx: so if it breaks, everyone will have a dead n800 just in time for the sprint? :P |
| 09:21.06 | aquatix | timelyx: are we skipping the E? |
| 09:21.11 | timelyx | e? |
| 09:21.14 | timelyx | oh yes |
| 09:21.25 | aquatix | bora, chinook, diablo.. E, fremantle :) |
| 09:21.26 | timelyx | there is a name for e, but i'd probably be shot for mentioning it |
| 09:21.30 | gregorovius | timelyx: s/sprint/spring/? |
| 09:21.34 | rm_you | lol |
| 09:21.41 | timelyx | gregorovius: no, it's a company |
| 09:21.47 | gregorovius | ah, the phone company :) |
| 09:21.49 | timelyx | iirc there's a name for g also, and see E |
| 09:22.02 | timelyx | that's not really their business, but ... |
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| 09:22.21 | rm_you | ah I was thinking developer sprint :P |
| 09:23.05 | gregorovius | that was an option in my head as well :) |
| 09:24.00 | GDE | okay, whats the news on the next OS ;p |
| 09:24.11 | Stskeeps | heh, 1588kb/s from repository.maemo.org - that's impressive |
| 09:24.21 | rm_you | yeah it seems quick |
| 09:24.22 | timelyx | Stskeeps: CDN |
| 09:24.32 | timelyx | afaik it's still Akamai |
| 09:24.39 | timelyx | but it's probably not misconfigured anymore :) |
| 09:24.47 | rm_you | lol |
| 09:25.04 | timelyx | [timeless@landfill mxr-test]$ dig repository.maemo.org |
| 09:25.14 | timelyx | ;; ANSWER SECTION: |
| 09:25.15 | timelyx | repository.maemo.org. 43200 IN CNAME repository.maemo.org.edgesuite.net. |
| 09:25.15 | timelyx | repository.maemo.org.edgesuite.net. 21600 IN CNAME a515.g.akamai.net. |
| 09:25.15 | timelyx | a515.g.akamai.net. 20 IN A 80.67.66.57 |
| 09:25.33 | timelyx | ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: |
| 09:25.33 | timelyx | n0g.akamai.net. 28 IN A 69.26.180.12 |
| 09:25.33 | timelyx | n1g.akamai.net. 9 IN A 63.82.132.31 |
| 09:25.33 | timelyx | n2g.akamai.net. 1203 IN A 69.26.180.28 |
| 09:25.34 | timelyx | .. |
| 09:25.39 | timelyx | n8g.akamai.net. 28 IN A 69.26.180.22 |
| 09:26.11 | aquatix | http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/windows-3-1-gets-installed-on-nokias-n810-looks-badly-out-of-p/ |
| 09:26.14 | aquatix | teehee |
| 09:26.36 | timelyx | heh |
| 09:26.50 | Stskeeps | is win3.11 stylus friendly? ;) |
| 09:27.00 | aquatix | it might just be |
| 09:27.04 | timelyx | Stskeeps: it should be actually |
| 09:27.05 | aquatix | no fance mouse-over stuff |
| 09:27.10 | timelyx | no right clicking |
| 09:27.11 | aquatix | *fancy |
| 09:27.14 | timelyx | menus always visible |
| 09:27.32 | timelyx | iirc you could use control panel to increase widget size if necessary (not certain) |
| 09:27.54 | timelyx | on an n810, you should be fine |
| 09:27.55 | aquatix | ran 3.11 in 640x480, which is quite compatible with n8x0's screen |
| 09:28.02 | timelyx | and w/ an n800 you have arrow keys + enter |
| 09:28.29 | timelyx | it would be nice if you could keep the left bar and lose the top though |
| 09:28.48 | aquatix | yeah, then you really have 640x480 |
| 09:29.05 | aquatix | that'd be kinda... interesting |
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| 09:36.00 | timelyx | hrm, the forum indicates he didn't get the stylus working |
| 09:37.32 | hrw | 3A |
| 09:37.38 | hrw | morning |
| 09:48.23 | crashanddie | 3A ? You missed |
| 09:48.24 | crashanddie | B6 |
| 09:48.52 | crashanddie | morning by the way |
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| 09:55.27 | t_s_o | heh, windows 3.1 on the tablets... i guess i dont really count as i spent most of my time in dos those days anyways... |
| 09:55.41 | t_s_o | and these days i seem to spend more and more time in the terminal on my tablet so... |
| 09:57.10 | lardman | lcuk_work: ping |
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| 10:02.46 | Stskeeps | could be fun to see if it would be possible to run windows CE *ducks for incoming projectiles* |
| 10:03.21 | lardman | once you write the abstraction layer |
| 10:03.41 | lardman | ;) |
| 10:03.42 | melmoth | slap Stskeeps with a projectile of some sort |
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| 10:04.01 | jott | there where actually ideas porting wine to arm/ce ;) |
| 10:05.10 | zap | thats useless |
| 10:05.27 | zap | even more useless than porting desktop linux apps without adaptation |
| 10:06.02 | crashanddie | (zap) even more useless than porting desktop linux apps <-- fixed |
| 10:06.14 | zap | ? |
| 10:06.35 | lcuk_work | lardman, pong |
| 10:08.19 | lcuk_work | zap, simply porting big cpu/memory expensive desktop apps is a little futile. crashanddie (and i) think its better to design for the platform. that way when used on large desktops the user experience will be better :) |
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| 10:11.39 | crashanddie | zap, to go further along what lcuk said, I believe that applications that were supposed to have been designed for the desktop are in fact, not designed at all. There are plenty of apps out there, that run fine on a desktop, but they run fine because the hardware on desktops is generally overkill. What we end up with, is a bunch of software that would require so much hacking in order to run natively an decently on the NIT (o |
| 10:11.39 | crashanddie | r any other minimal platform), that it would most of the time be more cost/time effective to just re-write most of the features, but this time, by designing and sizing them properly |
| 10:12.58 | t_s_o | i would agree to that, i find that interfaces designed for mouse may work with a stylus, but interfaces designed for fingers work on mouse as well ;) |
| 10:13.11 | crashanddie | zap, even further, it's impossible to decently port an application and add features such as the touch screen. Sure they'll work, but they're optimized for finger usage, or just being used on the move. They're not designed for it |
| 10:13.17 | lardman | lcuk_work: I looked at your code; nice, but overkill in this situation imo |
| 10:13.18 | lcuk_work | t_s_o :) have you seen the menus for liqbase :) |
| 10:13.22 | crashanddie | t_s_o, exactly |
| 10:13.36 | t_s_o | lcuk_work: nope |
| 10:13.42 | lcuk_work | lol lardman - its not overkill. its broken the problem down into managable clumps |
| 10:13.52 | crashanddie | they're *not* optimized for finger usage |
| 10:14.12 | t_s_o | the best example is probably claw mail. sure, nice app. but the interface is insane, even with stylus in hand... |
| 10:14.29 | lardman | lcuk_work: there's no need to do hill/valley following, the data are esentially binary anyway, thresholding is quicker and less error prone for this type of data |
| 10:15.20 | lcuk_work | lardman, but the contrast problems on this device coupled wiith location within the viewport makes exact binary matching bad doesnt it? |
| 10:15.27 | rm_you | have you looked at the QR reading libs that are part of the iPhone barcode reader? they are GPL3 on sourceforge, and written in ... objective C... but it looked almost exactly like normal C, so the logic should be identical at least |
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| 10:16.01 | jott | lardman: thersholding does not work too well |
| 10:16.34 | crashanddie | rm_you, most of the code written in objective C is the same is OO PHP, it's just a bad coder who wanted to say "I did OO", but he's still just using procedural thinking :P |
| 10:16.35 | rm_you | you could actually look at what they have for 1d too... |
| 10:16.37 | lardman | lcuk_work: not exact, threshold the midpoint and set things on either side to 1/0 -> ideally one would look at a histogram, find the valley between the two peaks and use that, but we're not too worried about getting it right everytime |
| 10:16.56 | lardman | rm_you: hmm, I thought they were in Java? |
| 10:17.00 | rm_you | err 1d |
| 10:17.08 | rm_you | thats ZX |
| 10:17.13 | rm_you | this is different |
| 10:17.16 | rm_you | lemmie look up a link |
| 10:17.19 | lardman | thanks |
| 10:17.24 | lcuk_work | the problem is you cannot use a histogram unless you have found the boundary for the barcode initially - the labels around with throw off any calculations |
| 10:17.27 | crashanddie | rm_you, ZX ? |
| 10:17.31 | crashanddie | the citroen ? |
| 10:17.32 | rm_you | yeh ZX :P |
| 10:17.32 | crashanddie | :P |
| 10:17.44 | lcuk_work | i do threshhold anyway: i find the available input range and work on that |
| 10:17.49 | lcuk_work | thats steps 1 and 2 |
| 10:18.08 | lcuk_work | crashanddie, my menus arent finger friendly? |
| 10:18.12 | lardman | I just think hill/valley walking is unnecessary |
| 10:18.33 | crashanddie | lcuk_work, did I say that ? |
| 10:18.47 | jott | the barcodes i held against the camera did not work at all with simple thresholding due to lighting conditions.. |
| 10:18.59 | lardman | are there speed penalties for accessing 8bit/16bit/32bit data on ARM? Which is the quickest? |
| 10:19.04 | rm_you | http://sourceforge.net/projects/barcode2d |
| 10:19.07 | lcuk_work | 32bit |
| 10:19.11 | lardman | jott: ok |
| 10:19.23 | lardman | input data will be 16bit array? |
| 10:19.25 | lcuk_work | yes large penalties (at least for writing, reading may be buffered) |
| 10:19.31 | lardman | rm_you: thanks |
| 10:19.50 | crashanddie | anyway, I have to move out people, I have a server that shat itself this morning, bbl tonight or something, cheers |
| 10:19.55 | crashanddie | erhm |
| 10:20.00 | crashanddie | "I have to move out, people" |
| 10:20.07 | crashanddie | not, "I have to move out people" |
| 10:20.10 | rm_you | can you just straight up use objective C alongside normal C? |
| 10:20.15 | lcuk_work | lol @ bad landlord |
| 10:20.16 | rm_you | and would that compile for the NIT? |
| 10:20.22 | lardman | derf: ping |
| 10:20.38 | rm_you | or would you have to just take the logic and recode it |
| 10:20.39 | lcuk_work | jott, whats your mail addy |
| 10:20.44 | lardman | rm_you: no idea, but derf was converting the Java to C, so he might be interested to see he doesn't need to |
| 10:20.47 | lcuk_work | or have you sent it over lardman? |
| 10:20.49 | jott | lcuk_work: j@outpo.st |
| 10:21.01 | jott | oh more spam to come ;) |
| 10:21.05 | lardman | lcuk_work: ? |
| 10:21.09 | rm_you | well, if it does need to be ported to C, i could start on that :P |
| 10:21.24 | rm_you | since it is fairly braindead |
| 10:21.25 | lcuk_work | lol |
| 10:21.30 | lardman | we don't have an objective C compiler I'll bet, so it will need to be tweaked |
| 10:21.51 | rm_you | can you combine C/C++? |
| 10:22.21 | rm_you | i would guess so... |
| 10:22.23 | crashanddie | rm_you, compile C, compile C++, link both .o |
| 10:22.28 | rm_you | cool |
| 10:22.38 | lcuk_work | not quite so simple |
| 10:22.45 | lcuk_work | you use c++ as the primary |
| 10:22.57 | lardman | crashanddie: you need to give some extra bits & bobs so they know the name mangling |
| 10:22.58 | crashanddie | isn't that a given ? |
| 10:23.02 | rm_you | well, would objective C need to be ported to C++? i dont really know what it is, but i'm guessing it is supposedly OO C? |
| 10:23.06 | lcuk_work | you can link to c, but if the primary project is c its tough to get c++ into it |
| 10:23.08 | jott | doesn't gcc support objective c? |
| 10:23.31 | rm_you | that would be handy |
| 10:23.49 | crashanddie | just write everything in assembly :D |
| 10:23.49 | rm_you | cause this code looks very usable |
| 10:24.00 | rm_you | and would mean a quick jump to QR codes :P |
| 10:24.17 | lardman | sounds good :) |
| 10:24.24 | lcuk_work | but most barcodes arent qr, upn/ean == most of the world |
| 10:24.51 | rm_you | UPN/EAN = 1d? |
| 10:24.57 | lcuk_work | yer |
| 10:24.59 | rm_you | right |
| 10:25.10 | rm_you | i'm saying, once you get 1d working, just tack the code from this onto it :P |
| 10:25.17 | rm_you | and then it does both |
| 10:25.18 | rm_you | :) |
| 10:25.45 | lcuk_work | absolutely :) |
| 10:25.48 | glass | 2d's can be read in j2me even |
| 10:25.55 | u1106 | i guess (yes GUESS) the camera is not suitable for upn/ean |
| 10:26.01 | lcuk_work | but within 1d barcodes theres a LTO of variations |
| 10:26.10 | u1106 | anybody knows? |
| 10:26.10 | lcuk_work | u1106, why not? |
| 10:26.11 | lardman | lcuk_work: 2D codes are more interesting, they can contain URLS and th elike |
| 10:26.26 | glass | nokia has an 2d barcode app bundled with many phones |
| 10:26.43 | zap | it sucks\ |
| 10:26.44 | u1106 | is the resolution good enough? |
| 10:26.53 | lcuk_work | lardman, granted but they arent used in shops yet. and lbt wont be able to automatically untick items with his shopper app if we just know 2d ;) |
| 10:26.57 | u1106 | yes 2 |
| 10:27.03 | zap | I tried it with N95, it couldn't recognize any barcode I tried |
| 10:27.05 | rm_you | LOL yeah |
| 10:27.11 | glass | theres also at least couple of companies trying to push their 2d barcode readers for use |
| 10:27.17 | rm_you | barcode integration with shopper / PyShop = WIN |
| 10:27.23 | lardman | lcuk_work: not just, as well |
| 10:27.30 | zap | I think I've read about some magazines printing 2D urls and such on their pages |
| 10:27.31 | jott | rm_you: that's why it was started ;) |
| 10:27.39 | lardman | lcuk_work: There was a 2D code in the Times yesterday, a datamatrix one |
| 10:27.40 | glass | zap: yeah |
| 10:27.41 | rm_you | yeah |
| 10:27.56 | rm_you | jott: so how much of this will be portable to the morse program? :P lol |
| 10:27.58 | u1106 | yes 2D work in phones with > 2Mpix cameras |
| 10:28.00 | lcuk_work | nice lardman :) i know they are being used |
| 10:28.06 | lcuk_work | :D:D:D:D:D rm |
| 10:28.07 | glass | u1106: no need for that high |
| 10:28.24 | glass | u1106: semacode reader worked with 640x480 ok |
| 10:28.25 | zap | 640x480 should be enough even for datamatrix |
| 10:28.30 | u1106 | but IT is only VGA, isn't it |
| 10:28.33 | jott | rm_you: hah camera code can be reused ;) |
| 10:28.47 | glass | u1106: depends on how much data the 2d code has of course |
| 10:28.49 | rm_you | jott: and possibly the locator parts? :P |
| 10:28.51 | lardman | u1106: just get closer to the page then |
| 10:28.55 | rm_you | image part isolation |
| 10:29.02 | glass | but for 30-40 bytes or so no problem with shit cameras |
| 10:29.09 | jott | rm_you: hehe find n8x0 in image :P |
| 10:29.14 | rm_you | the camera doesn't focus well at very close range |
| 10:29.19 | u1106 | but the optics doesn't allow you getting to close |
| 10:29.30 | rm_you | jott: just has to be large white area |
| 10:29.37 | lcuk_work | kryton: "ok, so thats macro zoom, what about my other features. i can't seem to get the radio to work. no matter how much i tweak my nipples i cannot tune into jazz fm" |
| 10:29.39 | rm_you | jott: or not so large, but pulsing |
| 10:29.45 | u1106 | fix-focus for 2 meters or something like that |
| 10:29.46 | glass | i think the camera in tablets should be at least the same quality as on 3650... |
| 10:29.46 | lardman | rm_you, u1106: ah, ok |
| 10:30.01 | jott | rm_you: heh now it goes form spatial to temporal ;) |
| 10:30.02 | rm_you | jott: cause will need to locate (probably during an initialization phase) and then receive message |
| 10:30.07 | AStorm | also, please give us a camera on the back :) |
| 10:30.12 | AStorm | for n900 :) |
| 10:30.17 | zap | I have seen some library for 2D codes, forgot its name |
| 10:30.24 | zap | most test images were < 640x480 |
| 10:30.32 | zap | and it recogized most of them fine |
| 10:30.40 | zap | except pathological cases, that is |
| 10:30.44 | u1106 | glass: right. does scanning work in 3650? |
| 10:31.08 | rm_you | lardman: i tried to take a picture of a UPC barcode with N800 as part of a RMA request (i couldnt find my digital camera) and trying to get it readable was very bad |
| 10:31.15 | rm_you | but hopefully it is enough for a reader app |
| 10:31.23 | glass | u1106: semacode worked with it |
| 10:31.55 | glass | u1106: not sure what you mean with scanning |
| 10:31.57 | lcuk_work | rm_you, thats why you scan each and every scan line and identify everything you can and try multiple times per image to obtain a valid code (with error checking algo) |
| 10:32.00 | lardman | rm_you: hmm, not ideal; I've not tried it yet :) |
| 10:32.13 | u1106 | glass: reading bar codes |
| 10:32.44 | glass | u1106: 1d codes no, semacode is 2d barcodes |
| 10:33.25 | glass | u1106: not too small printed of course |
| 10:34.37 | u1106 | glass: right, that's what I meant. bar codes was just sloppy language |
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| 11:07.13 | Jaffa | JamieBennett: tsk, your travel page mod hasn't got your arrival date in chronological order! ;-p |
| 11:07.24 | JamieBennett | :P |
| 11:07.34 | Jaffa | s/date/time/ |
| 11:07.41 | JamieBennett | I'll go change it :D |
| 11:07.42 | Jaffa | ...and departure too. Much tskityness. |
| 11:07.53 | Jaffa | JamieBennett: ta, I'm pedantic like that :) |
| 11:08.18 | JamieBennett | On a similar note I didn't realise lardman was from Bath, me too, small world |
| 11:08.34 | lardman | yes indeed :) |
| 11:08.56 | JamieBennett | cool |
| 11:11.06 | JamieBennett | that ok Jaffa? ;) |
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| 11:12.55 | Jaffa | JamieBennett: much better. Now, I *could* quibble about "1900" on departure time when all the other times on the page are "hh:mm" ;-) |
| 11:13.09 | JamieBennett | :P |
| 11:13.14 | Jaffa | looking forward to it. |
| 11:13.22 | JamieBennett | indeed |
| 11:13.28 | Jaffa | And hopefully in the next sprint we'll kick off council elections :) |
| 11:13.42 | JamieBennett | jaffa: lets hope so. |
| 11:14.43 | JamieBennett | Anyone know the layout of cbase, i.e. what kinds of rooms are they? Lecture rooms (lots of seats tiered) or normal one level rooms? Need to know for camera and mic placements e.t.c for recordings |
| 11:15.18 | lcuk_work | will be stood as far away from the mic as possible |
| 11:15.42 | JamieBennett | wireless ones? pinned to the t-shirt? |
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| 11:24.54 | jott | lcuk_work: you could pre-record your talk on the n810 and just plugin the audio jacket when it's your turn ;) |
| 11:25.16 | jott | JamieBennett: http://wiki.c-base.org/coredump/BauPlan |
| 11:25.49 | JamieBennett | jott, thanks |
| 11:26.02 | oilinki | hi, has been reports of hot n810 with diablo & display on (maemo mapper)? |
| 11:26.29 | oilinki | has there been.. |
| 11:27.09 | Jaffa | Not that I've read, but I don't use Maemo Mapper |
| 11:27.23 | lardman | Right, I've updated the barcode code to use all integer arithmetic, I hope it works, sort of. I also hope it's nearly compilable now |
| 11:27.32 | lcuk_work | :) jott, ive got better idea than that. graffiti will look good on a projected display. my 810 is perfect as a control device with my own hand held notes. hopefully it will work in time |
| 11:27.34 | lardman | barcode recognition code that shold be |
| 11:27.41 | oilinki | I was driving today and the maemo-mapper was on. inside car it was may 26C and the tablet was quite hot after 45 minutes or so. |
| 11:27.51 | jott | lcuk_work: don't drop the n810 though :P |
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| 11:28.09 | lcuk_work | feck off |
| 11:28.10 | lcuk_work | :P |
| 11:28.11 | lardman | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/maemo-barcode/Simon_1D.c as I don't have SVN access here |
| 11:28.33 | jott | ?! |
| 11:28.45 | jott | it's your project you must have access :P |
| 11:28.52 | lcuk_work | doesnt drop his nokia (often) |
| 11:28.54 | lardman | I'm on WinXP atm |
| 11:29.02 | lcuk_work | tortoiseSVN |
| 11:29.04 | lardman | no svn |
| 11:29.05 | jott | ^^ |
| 11:29.14 | jott | tortoise is just fine for windows |
| 11:29.18 | lardman | yeah, it can wait 'till I get home at lunch time |
| 11:29.21 | jott | heh |
| 11:29.24 | lcuk_work | integrated into explorer with pretty icons to show file status :) its very nice |
| 11:29.39 | lardman | prefers to not use Windows for development |
| 11:29.56 | lardman | it has a nasty habit of screwing up line breaks and the like |
| 11:30.02 | Jaffa | Tortoise is really the best svn interface I've ever used. |
| 11:30.03 | lcuk_work | uses OSS editor for development |
| 11:30.16 | lcuk_work | komodo-edit ftw |
| 11:30.58 | JamieBennett | vi ;) |
| 11:31.56 | jott | ed |
| 11:31.58 | Jaffa | Blimey, Karel is coming to the summit : |
| 11:33.18 | lcuk_work | lardman: your "curiously black=0 and white=1 is because the image data 0=black (no light), 255=white (fullbright) |
| 11:33.44 | lardman | lcuk_work: yeah |
| 11:33.54 | lardman | lcuk_work: one of those comments to self sorts of things :) |
| 11:34.26 | lcuk_work | my code is full of them :) most programs start as notes which get fleshed out with wtfs along the way for specifics |
| 11:38.11 | jott | hehe you should put "wtf" in precious places as comments in your code. any subsequent reader will "accept" your code as it is then ;P |
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| 11:47.10 | lardman | oops, typos on lines 257 & 290, should be: code[i] = (code[i]*100/factor+50)/10; |
| 11:47.30 | lardman | hmm |
| 11:47.34 | lardman | perhaps not |
| 11:47.36 | lardman | ignore me |
| 11:47.38 | lcuk_work | lol |
| 11:48.54 | wnd | lardman, talking of typos, you may want to add a closing bracket in line 96 |
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| 11:49.19 | lardman | indeed, thanks |
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| 11:51.17 | lardman | just looking at the 2D QR code |
| 11:51.25 | lardman | is that objective-C? |
| 11:52.01 | lardman | looks nasty |
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| 11:59.40 | trickie | lardman: obj-c is ok once you know the syntax additions over normal C |
| 11:59.54 | trickie | some good docs at the apple developer site IIRC |
| 12:00.56 | rm_you | again, i could take a crack at porting it back to normal C or else to C++ if you think it is worthwhile |
| 12:01.13 | lardman | trickie: ok |
| 12:01.38 | lardman | rm_you: have a chat to derf, he started porting the original Java code to C yesterday |
| 12:01.46 | lardman | I don't know how far along he's got |
| 12:02.11 | rm_you | derf: poke |
| 12:02.16 | rm_you | derf: ping |
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| 12:03.09 | lardman | wanders homw for lunch & programming |
| 12:03.10 | rm_you | lardman: opinions on our statusbar applet using 420k of memory? is that too much? |
| 12:03.25 | lardman | statusbar applet for what? |
| 12:03.32 | rm_you | advanced-backlight |
| 12:03.34 | Toba | for failure |
| 12:03.43 | lardman | no idea tbh |
| 12:03.43 | rm_you | 420kb of cached icon pixmaps |
| 12:03.44 | Toba | hi pupnik_ |
| 12:03.48 | lardman | bbiab |
| 12:03.49 | Toba | procto hsays hi |
| 12:03.56 | Toba | -h |
| 12:04.16 | Jaffa | rm_you: 420KB sounds fine to me |
| 12:04.28 | rm_you | jott was concerned :P |
| 12:04.34 | rm_you | i'm deciding... |
| 12:04.43 | zap | rm_you: have you pushed your osso-software-unlocked to extra-devel? Can't find it there |
| 12:04.46 | rm_you | it's a jump from 210kb for the original icon caching |
| 12:05.05 | rm_you | zap: not yet, was waiting for people to say it was ok and not hang me for it |
| 12:05.25 | zap | rm_you: I just thought, it won't work as an automatic dependence |
| 12:05.31 | rm_you | zap: if you want it, it is in: deb http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs binary/ |
| 12:05.41 | rm_you | zap: yeah unless it is in extras |
| 12:05.50 | rm_you | zap: or if you include THAT repo |
| 12:05.52 | zap | I was thinking to make my libfreetype6 to depend on it |
| 12:06.04 | zap | rm_you: nope, it won't work even if it's there |
| 12:06.08 | rm_you | zap: well, wait a day or so and see if people are willing to use it |
| 12:06.14 | rm_you | zap: yes, it does |
| 12:06.20 | rm_you | zap: if you include that repo it will work |
| 12:06.20 | lcuk_work | rm_you, the advanced_backobese addin is looking good |
| 12:06.20 | zap | you will have to install it first manually |
| 12:06.26 | rm_you | zap: no |
| 12:06.31 | rm_you | zap: it works, i tested |
| 12:06.49 | rm_you | lcuk_work: lol |
| 12:06.55 | zap | rm_you: let's suppose libfreetype6 depends on osso-software-unlocked |
| 12:07.06 | zap | rm_you: I do "apt-get install libfreetype6", right? |
| 12:07.25 | rm_you | zap: yet |
| 12:07.28 | rm_you | zap: yep |
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| 12:07.38 | zap | and then apt-get will tell me that it cannot upgrade libfreetype6, becaise osso-softare-version-rx44 depends on libfreetype6-1osso1 |
| 12:07.51 | zap | and it won't even try to download osso-software-unlocked |
| 12:08.05 | rm_you | zap: yes it will |
| 12:08.06 | rm_you | http://slexy.org/view/s20XlDA1g8 |
| 12:08.13 | rm_you | i take care of that |
| 12:08.45 | rm_you | it works |
| 12:08.55 | rm_you | dependency magic on my side |
| 12:08.57 | zap | aha, that's because osso-software-unlocked conflicts with osso-software-version-rx?4 ? |
| 12:09.01 | rm_you | yep |
| 12:09.03 | rm_you | replaces |
| 12:09.28 | zap | aha, thats good |
| 12:09.30 | rm_you | zap: trust me, it works ;P |
| 12:10.00 | zap | well it's kind of hard to test such a thing... its not easy to get back to osso-software-rx44 once you installed the unlocked version |
| 12:10.08 | rm_you | lcuk_work: so what do you think? 420kb? |
| 12:10.14 | rm_you | zap: yes it is |
| 12:10.18 | rm_you | zap: i did it like 5 times |
| 12:10.20 | rm_you | or more |
| 12:10.23 | rm_you | during testing |
| 12:10.32 | zap | I know, but I accidentally did an apt-get upgrade after I unlocked it |
| 12:10.36 | rm_you | yeah |
| 12:10.39 | zap | and got lot of new crap like libdb4 and such |
| 12:10.40 | rm_you | i have a folder with all the original debs |
| 12:10.42 | rm_you | yeah |
| 12:10.49 | rm_you | i just do dpkg -i origdebs/*.deb |
| 12:10.56 | zap | :) I got it yesterday too, after figuring out the password |
| 12:10.59 | rm_you | lol |
| 12:11.03 | rm_you | its from Wargames :P |
| 12:11.12 | rm_you | total win, Nokia :P |
| 12:11.12 | zap | who? |
| 12:11.17 | rm_you | the password |
| 12:11.18 | rm_you | JOSHUA |
| 12:11.26 | zap | hmm I thought its from bible |
| 12:11.29 | rm_you | you seen Wargames? |
| 12:11.32 | zap | nope |
| 12:11.35 | rm_you | !!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 12:11.39 | rm_you | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 12:11.48 | rm_you | zap: go watch Wargames immediately |
| 12:11.49 | muzz2k | Wargames is an awesome film |
| 12:11.52 | rm_you | it's CLASSIC |
| 12:12.01 | rm_you | how can you not have seen Wargames |
| 12:12.03 | zap | I watch only what I really want to watch :) say, 1 movie in half of year |
| 12:12.16 | rm_you | and you say you're interested in computers... pfft >_> |
| 12:12.29 | rm_you | next thing you know you'll say you haven't seen Hackers :P |
| 12:12.59 | zap | sure I didn't... those hollywood movies about hackers mostly make me laugh... viruses coming into the computer from the power outlet and such |
| 12:13.06 | rm_you | stabs zap repeatedly in the eye |
| 12:13.09 | zap | and looking like a bulb moving inside the power cord... |
| 12:13.12 | rm_you | stabs zap repeatedly in the eye |
| 12:13.15 | rm_you | stabs zap repeatedly in the liver |
| 12:13.21 | rm_you | stabs zap repeatedly in the kidney |
| 12:13.41 | rm_you | stabs zap repeatedly in the spleen |
| 12:13.59 | zap | and 3D login screens, eek :) |
| 12:14.18 | rm_you | zap: yeah, the network file manager (telnet) visualization is AMAZINGLY LOL |
| 12:14.20 | zap | and falling green letters and digits, yes |
| 12:14.38 | rm_you | but the movie is CLASSIC |
| 12:14.54 | zap | you mean this kind of visualisation -> telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl |
| 12:15.35 | rm_you | lol no |
| 12:15.41 | rm_you | like crazy 3d insanity |
| 12:15.53 | zap | I don't really care if its classic or no :) but they're very far away from reality |
| 12:15.57 | rm_you | with a camera that moves around the filesystem, which is big glowing towers of green text |
| 12:16.10 | rm_you | but that's not the point |
| 12:16.14 | rm_you | in fact, that's part of the hilaritty |
| 12:16.16 | zap | it is |
| 12:16.27 | rm_you | it's high-lariou |
| 12:16.29 | rm_you | *s |
| 12:16.29 | zap | the whole film, not just visualisation, is very far from reality |
| 12:16.30 | Jaffa | Wargames is very realistic in terms of its technology, no silly 3D flythroughs. |
| 12:16.36 | rm_you | truth |
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| 12:16.40 | rm_you | Jaffa: seen hackers? |
| 12:16.46 | zap | maybe, haven't seen it. I'm talking about hacker-films in general |
| 12:16.53 | rm_you | *Hackers |
| 12:17.28 | rm_you | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113243/ |
| 12:17.38 | rm_you | it's got Angelina Jolie as a hacker chick :P |
| 12:17.43 | aquatix | :) |
| 12:17.54 | Jaffa | rm_you: when it came out, yeah. Don't remember being /that/ impressed... |
| 12:17.59 | aquatix | Hackers rocks, but only for the movie, not for the weird 3D renders |
| 12:18.03 | rm_you | It's hilarious |
| 12:18.08 | rm_you | aquatix: exactly |
| 12:18.11 | aquatix | hackers 2, takedown is more realistic |
| 12:18.14 | rm_you | oh god yes |
| 12:18.20 | aquatix | i like the soundtracks btw |
| 12:18.27 | rm_you | DRAMATIC STAREDOWN over an ssh session FTW |
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| 12:18.36 | rm_you | that was *awesome* |
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| 12:19.13 | rm_you | zap: fine, just watch Takedown, it's basically Hackers2, except redone, not cheesy, and based on Kevin Mitnick |
| 12:19.14 | aquatix | better than a taperobotfight |
| 12:19.15 | zap | "the evil computer genius behind the virus" bwahahahah |
| 12:19.31 | zap | it's bullshit, sorry :) |
| 12:19.35 | rm_you | zap: yeah it's so super cheesy |
| 12:19.46 | rm_you | zap: it's basically cult classic, except for geeks :P |
| 12:19.52 | rm_you | zap: like rocky horror >_> |
| 12:20.00 | rm_you | so horrible, but people love it |
| 12:20.19 | rm_you | you have to like laughing at cheesy stuff i guess :P |
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| 12:20.44 | zap | ok, whatever, I would like to see your software-unlocked in extras |
| 12:20.55 | zap | not that my vote counts for too much, but you have mine :) |
| 12:21.05 | rm_you | ok, I can upload it, I just hope I don't get my extras account disabled for it ;P |
| 12:22.01 | zap | we can test Nokia how far in openness they're ready to go :) |
| 12:22.17 | zap | besides, an account is just an account... you can open a new one ;-) |
| 12:22.39 | rm_you | X-Fade has to approve it :P |
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| 12:24.13 | rm_you | interestingly though, you will only be able to Depend on it in diablo |
| 12:24.21 | rm_you | if you build chinook packages you cannot |
| 12:24.38 | rm_you | since no such osso-software-version system exists |
| 12:27.44 | jott | swordfish is funny too in terms of "hacker" movies ... getting a bj while doing manual rsa decryption or so ;) |
| 12:28.02 | JamieBennett | happens everyday ;) |
| 12:28.08 | jott | heh ;) |
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| 12:31.45 | rm_you | LOL yeah |
| 12:32.08 | rm_you | halle berry topless is win tho >_> |
| 12:32.21 | rm_you | also, making a virus by forcing a cube together :P |
| 12:32.25 | rm_you | I love his monitor setup tho |
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| 12:33.16 | rm_you | personally, I like those movies BECAUSE I know exactly how ridiculous they are :) |
| 12:33.29 | rm_you | if they werent as ridiculous they would be good, but probably not AS good. |
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| 12:42.47 | rm_you | almost as good as the anime Battle Programmer Shirase :P |
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| 12:47.42 | rm_you | this anime is hilarious |
| 12:47.42 | rm_you | http://youtube.com/watch?v=zcnDUALC_5s |
| 12:47.47 | rm_you | this ep was LOL |
| 12:48.35 | zap | rm_you: of yes, that's another source of fun :( (chinook) |
| 12:48.54 | rm_you | I could make a chinook package of same title that does NOTHING |
| 12:48.59 | rm_you | :P |
| 12:49.00 | zap | rm_you: maybe it would make sense to create an empty osso-software-unlocked package, to avoid having separate rules? |
| 12:49.04 | zap | yes, exactly :) |
| 12:49.05 | rm_you | yeah |
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| 12:49.31 | lcuk_work | is this all to do with including rotation? |
| 12:49.40 | rm_you | and others |
| 12:49.40 | zap | not only |
| 12:49.43 | rm_you | it is a common problem |
| 12:49.52 | zap | basically it's about replacing stock osso packages |
| 12:50.13 | lcuk_work | *gulp* |
| 12:50.33 | zap | what's wrong about it? |
| 12:50.48 | zap | any decent linux distribution does that twice a week :) |
| 12:51.09 | lcuk_work | isnt that a bit risky though? |
| 12:51.13 | rm_you | he uses XWindows :P and terminals :P |
| 12:51.22 | Tu13es | hmm |
| 12:51.28 | rm_you | (battle programmer shirase and enemies) :P |
| 12:51.36 | Tu13es | trying to figure out some use for my n770 at work at my desk |
| 12:51.38 | Tu13es | clock maybe? |
| 12:51.38 | zap | lcuk_work: maemo-extras itself is as risky as replacing stock packages |
| 12:51.42 | Stskeeps | dances |
| 12:51.48 | Stskeeps | i got network-manager working on debian :) |
| 12:52.15 | zap | has NetworkManager working in Fedora since 2006 |
| 12:52.28 | Stskeeps | .. on the tablet |
| 12:52.28 | rm_you | debian on NIT :P |
| 12:52.36 | Stskeeps | yeah, yeah, but i had to hack cx3110x.ko to make it suitable for NM :P |
| 12:52.56 | Tu13es | cmon guys, i know you can think of something |
| 12:53.06 | Stskeeps | Tu13es: rss ticker? |
| 12:53.06 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 12:53.12 | Stskeeps | mirror? |
| 12:53.13 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 12:53.19 | Tu13es | mirror? |
| 12:53.25 | Tu13es | I have google reader for rss |
| 12:53.26 | Stskeeps | (camera app open and viewing yourself) |
| 12:53.26 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 12:53.31 | Tu13es | that would require a camera |
| 12:53.32 | lcuk_work | rss, handheld pron viewer, you can just whip it out when no1s looking |
| 12:53.36 | Stskeeps | ah, true, 770 |
| 12:53.45 | Tu13es | heh |
| 12:53.51 | lcuk_work | Tu13es even |
| 12:53.56 | zap | Stskeeps: ah, debian on n8xx? |
| 12:54.01 | Stskeeps | zap: yeah |
| 12:54.08 | Stskeeps | as in not the chroot stuff |
| 12:54.12 | zap | that makes a bit of difference |
| 12:54.13 | rm_you | rss handhelp pornreader? rss porn? does this exist? :P |
| 12:54.19 | rm_you | if it doesn't, it needs to? :P |
| 12:54.26 | Stskeeps | rm_you: there's porn forums.. then there must be porn rss |
| 12:54.50 | lcuk_work | yer, the aggregator has sticky windows |
| 12:54.54 | zap | mirror/clock/alarm |
| 12:54.56 | rm_you | lol |
| 12:55.02 | zap | switching between functions with voice |
| 12:55.07 | Tu13es | there aren't many good clcok apps for the nxxx :( |
| 12:55.11 | zap | a popular app that would be |
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| 12:55.14 | rm_you | daliclock? |
| 12:55.21 | rm_you | i think is good? |
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| 12:55.25 | lcuk_work | i leave liqbase starfield running which has clock :) |
| 12:55.28 | Tu13es | hmm |
| 12:55.33 | zap | Tu13es: Mediaplayer has a large clock |
| 12:55.36 | zap | or how its called |
| 12:55.40 | zap | Media... ummm... |
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| 12:56.17 | Tu13es | rm_you: will it work on os2006 or 2007?: |
| 12:56.26 | rm_you | 2007 maybe... |
| 12:56.30 | Jaffa | Tu13es/zap: MediaBox |
| 12:56.31 | rm_you | there is OS2008HE :) |
| 12:56.36 | zap | yes, thats it |
| 12:56.42 | rm_you | ah i forgot about mediabox! |
| 12:56.42 | Jaffa | Very nice media player |
| 12:56.45 | rm_you | i liked that app |
| 12:56.51 | rm_you | i should go back |
| 12:56.57 | lcuk_work | you need bleeding edge software upgrades to view a .... clock? |
| 12:56.59 | Tu13es | 2008HE runs awefully on the n770 |
| 12:57.02 | zap | MediaBox is the best media player for n8xx, although not perfect |
| 12:57.09 | rm_you | aww mediabox not in extras? |
| 12:57.13 | Jaffa | zap: agreed on both points |
| 12:57.20 | Jaffa | rm_you: err, I thought it was |
| 12:57.24 | rm_you | diablo :/ |
| 12:57.43 | rm_you | i switched off chinook extras a little bit ago to use pure diablo extras |
| 12:57.49 | zap | me too |
| 12:57.52 | rm_you | figured it was time |
| 12:57.55 | lcuk_work | still thinks diablo isnt quite stable enough |
| 12:58.07 | lcuk_work | might install os2006 soon |
| 12:58.08 | zap | what you call stable |
| 12:58.08 | rm_you | yea, but it is up to us developers to fix it :P |
| 12:58.21 | rm_you | so we had better adopt quickly! :) |
| 12:58.22 | Jaffa | lcuk_work: only problem I've really had is bloody RSS feeds not updating |
| 12:58.35 | zap | doesn't see any regress in diablo compared to chinook |
| 12:58.39 | lcuk_work | its the dev environment for me |
| 12:58.58 | lcuk_work | its been a pain setting it up and i dont wanna have double pain |
| 12:59.04 | snowmoon-work | I think *most* people saw some improvement in Dablo, but there are still a few edge cases that are much worse |
| 12:59.11 | zap | scratchbox? it installs quickly and easily |
| 12:59.17 | lcuk_work | on 810? |
| 12:59.21 | zap | no\ |
| 12:59.28 | snowmoon-work | runs and hides at the mention of scratchbox |
| 12:59.33 | lcuk_work | how else can i compile while im at work? |
| 12:59.39 | rm_you | lcuk_work: if you did root on sd, it would be easy as you already have ext :P |
| 12:59.41 | zap | developing on n8xx is kind of BDSM |
| 12:59.50 | rm_you | lcuk_work: ssh to your buildbox |
| 12:59.59 | zap | lcuk_work: you don't have computers at your work? |
| 13:00.02 | snowmoon-work | zap: BDSM or just M? |
| 13:00.08 | rm_you | lcuk_work: my buildbox with scratchbox is in another state :P |
| 13:00.21 | zap | snowmoon-work: not sure yet... have to see how it actually occurs |
| 13:00.23 | lcuk_work | zap, not at all :) liqbase is very modular so compilatiuon is quick - even when i need to do a full rebuild, its only about 60seconds |
| 13:00.25 | rm_you | i dev from windows, linux, tablet, whatever computer i want, dont have to set up svn, scratchbox, anything |
| 13:00.40 | rm_you | just ssh into my build server |
| 13:00.41 | lcuk_work | zap, yes but not when im downstairs havin a smoke |
| 13:01.03 | zap | you're a smoked developer? |
| 13:01.06 | lcuk_work | who presses the power button after it goes off? |
| 13:01.15 | rm_you | lcuk_work: why would it go off? |
| 13:01.27 | rm_you | lcuk_work: i'd have to call someone >_> but it wouldn't go off |
| 13:01.36 | lcuk_work | never say never |
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| 13:01.44 | zap | lcuk_work: get the wimax edition and work via ssh then :) |
| 13:01.46 | rm_you | it wouldn't unless *it* physically caught fire |
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| 13:02.16 | rm_you | the building it is in is on UPS and generators |
| 13:02.24 | rm_you | in case power goes out |
| 13:02.34 | lcuk_work | has your machine got perfect uptime then? |
| 13:02.37 | rm_you | yep |
| 13:02.45 | rm_you | never once been shut off since i turned it on |
| 13:02.51 | rm_you | IE, installed ubuntu |
| 13:03.26 | lcuk_work | cool then :) what do you use for editing |
| 13:03.43 | rm_you | vim |
| 13:03.53 | rm_you | same as on my home linux box, n800, and in windows |
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| 13:04.20 | Jaffa | rm_you: vim 7's now in diablo extras-devel btw. Will promote it to extras when I integrate a menu shortcut |
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| 13:04.27 | rm_you | Jaffa: sweet |
| 13:04.32 | zap | vim doesn't follow the "principle of least surprise" |
| 13:04.35 | rm_you | i forget whose repo i had to install for that... |
| 13:04.39 | rm_you | zap: ? |
| 13:04.40 | zap | every key combination in it is a surprise to me |
| 13:04.44 | rm_you | LOL |
| 13:04.50 | rm_you | i know what almost every key does |
| 13:04.51 | rm_you | ALMOST |
| 13:04.52 | Jaffa | rm_you: vim's one of my test beds for mud :-) |
| 13:04.58 | rm_you | still a few that surprise me periodically :P |
| 13:05.29 | rm_you | been using vim full-time for text editing for... 8 years |
| 13:05.31 | rm_you | wow |
| 13:05.37 | rm_you | i just realized how long that is |
| 13:05.42 | snowmoon-work | Jaffa: I'm still new to debian, .deb has no way to include by reference for a package? I only ask because this is something dirt simple to do with rpm |
| 13:05.43 | ccooke | rm_you: Is that all? ;-) |
| 13:05.44 | rm_you | i'm only 21 >+> |
| 13:05.46 | rm_you | >_> |
| 13:05.55 | rm_you | so since i was 13 |
| 13:06.18 | ccooke | nice |
| 13:06.40 | Jaffa | snowmoon-work: what do you mean "include-by-reference"? Deb format had "this package depends on other-package-'foo'" long before RPM did. |
| 13:06.52 | snowmoon-work | rm_you: If you count line editing basic programs it been like... well how old are you |
| 13:06.55 | rm_you | lcuk_work: lol, was going to paste you the uptime, but it is very perplexing |
| 13:06.57 | ccooke | heh. I hadn't started playing with Linux back then. Well, I guess that's forgivable - it didn't run on my computer :-) |
| 13:07.13 | rm_you | :) |
| 13:07.33 | lcuk_work | is used to the finer things in life. like a mouse and syntax highlighting (maybe you have it?) |
| 13:07.38 | snowmoon-work | Jaffa: No, take blah source and add these patches, compile and assemble. The spec format does everything mud packages do |
| 13:07.48 | rm_you | ccooke: linux since 7th grade i think... only became my desktop OS in highschool tho |
| 13:08.01 | rm_you | lcuk_work: vim has superb syntax highlighting |
| 13:08.09 | rm_you | lcuk_work: and mouse support in the terminal even, if you enable it |
| 13:08.38 | rm_you | uptime says it has been up for 1 day and 5 hours |
| 13:08.42 | rm_you | but that is very wrong |
| 13:08.48 | ccooke | the first unix OS I played with was Xenix, running on a 486 and about 20 terminals. But that *was* running vi, of course... |
| 13:08.51 | rm_you | since A) if it had gone down, it would not be ON right now |
| 13:08.56 | rm_you | B) I was USING it then |
| 13:09.01 | lcuk_work | most likely not :) if its a shared server chances are it will be rebooted all the time |
| 13:09.11 | rm_you | and have had this terminal open for the last 3 days |
| 13:09.13 | rm_you | lcuk_work: it isn't |
| 13:09.14 | Jaffa | snowmoon-work: I thought that was only just being suggested to being added to RPM now? I read about the VCS-checkout proposal in LWN yesterday. Agreed, that's partly what mud's for and deb can't do it AFAIK |
| 13:09.22 | rm_you | lcuk_work: and it's in a LOCKED room, by itself |
| 13:09.25 | lardman | jott, lcuk_work: Is the input buffer unsigned char? |
| 13:09.28 | rm_you | I am the only one with root |
| 13:09.31 | lcuk_work | naughty server! |
| 13:09.39 | lcuk_work | in the dungeon |
| 13:09.44 | rm_you | i am very confused |
| 13:10.02 | rm_you | lcuk_work: no, i have like, almost a private office in my computer science department :) |
| 13:10.04 | Jaffa | snowmoon-work: perhaps mud's pacakge format shouldn't be a directory containing patches, icons and an XML file (http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jaffa/mud_design) but instead use SRPM ;-) |
| 13:10.10 | lcuk_work | maybe it was eaten by a grue |
| 13:10.12 | rm_you | lol |
| 13:10.20 | rm_you | it couldn't have restarted tho. |
| 13:10.24 | rm_you | because I was USING IT |
| 13:10.30 | rm_you | DURING the time it says it was restarting |
| 13:10.34 | lcuk_work | you are in a room. there is a computer and a door infront |
| 13:10.37 | snowmoon-work | Jaffa: 8-o |
| 13:10.39 | rm_you | and before. and after. |
| 13:10.44 | lcuk_work | > turn off computer |
| 13:10.51 | lcuk_work | "Sorry, rM_You is logged in |
| 13:11.00 | lcuk_work | > smash computer |
| 13:11.03 | rm_you | lol |
| 13:12.18 | snowmoon-work | Jaffa: If I hadn't been working with RPM/RH based stuff for years now and I really can appreciate the way the src.rpm's and .spec files make life much easier |
| 13:12.26 | lcuk_work | i used to enjoy text adventures, ive been kinda spolit now be 3d graphics engines |
| 13:12.39 | snowmoon-work | er... yeah, more coffee |
| 13:12.46 | rm_you | yeah :/ |
| 13:12.54 | rm_you | god, i need to get up and go outside or SOMETHING |
| 13:12.58 | lcuk_work | maybe i could make a text adventure based on unreal tourney (like the 3d ut thing) |
| 13:13.02 | Jaffa | snowmoon-work: ta for the pointer, I'll look at them in more depth - if nothing else, could help with inspiration; but anything which means less coding's going to be a winner |
| 13:13.10 | lcuk_work | 2d ut ^ |
| 13:13.27 | snowmoon-work | *nods* |
| 13:13.34 | lardman | rm_you: if you're in an office with not many people around, why are you talking here and not playing UT or Doom or something? |
| 13:13.40 | lardman | :) |
| 13:13.43 | rm_you | my schedule for the past week and a half or so has been Wake Up -> Eat -> Work on Maemo stuff -> Chat -> Eat -> More work -> Sleep |
| 13:13.53 | lardman | :) sounds ideal |
| 13:13.56 | rm_you | lardman: i'm at HOME and that is what i do, lol |
| 13:14.10 | rm_you | Maemo, eat, sleep |
| 13:14.23 | rm_you | it is becoming sad tho <_< |
| 13:17.04 | summatusmentis | lardman: d'you mind if I ask you a question regarding kernel stuff(non-maemo related)? |
| 13:19.02 | lardman | sure, I can try to answer |
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| 13:20.12 | summatusmentis | how does syscall work? :) |
| 13:21.01 | lardman | I can't tell you off the top of my head I'm afraid |
| 13:21.37 | summatusmentis | alright, I'll ask my mentor |
| 13:21.49 | summatusmentis | (summer of code project, in case you were wondering) |
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| 13:22.11 | Stskeeps | as in OS system calls? wikipedia has a nice article that is pretty straight to the point :P |
| 13:22.12 | lardman | I assumed that from the mentor bit :) |
| 13:22.16 | lardman | Google should know though |
| 13:24.27 | summatusmentis | Stskeeps: my understanding is that syscall(a function provided by glibc) allows you to make OS system calls. |
| 13:25.02 | Stskeeps | aye, it's just a wrapper around some assembly causing the trap into the kernel :P |
| 13:25.13 | lophyte | morning all |
| 13:25.58 | lardman | with a big list of special numbers which map to certain fns |
| 13:25.59 | lophyte | heh... Stskeeps as in the unrealircd guy? |
| 13:26.23 | Stskeeps | lophyte: .. maybe |
| 13:26.28 | lophyte | haha |
| 13:26.56 | summatusmentis | Stskeeps: right. ok, so then I really need to talk to my mentor |
| 13:27.17 | Stskeeps | summatusmentis: what's your SoC project about again? |
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| 13:27.25 | snowmoon-work | pyinotity... sweet, it's already in extras. one more step to conquering the world |
| 13:28.10 | summatusmentis | Stskeeps: implementing AFS pioctl() calls into the kAFS(in-kernel AFS) client implementation |
| 13:29.02 | lophyte | Stskeeps: no worries, just curious |
| 13:29.25 | Stskeeps | lophyte: but yeah, i started the unrealircd project.. and then i happened to stumble upon these lovely tablets |
| 13:29.36 | lophyte | ahh, you don't work on it anymore? |
| 13:30.10 | Stskeeps | i'm there but i don't code that much, i support occasionally |
| 13:30.16 | lophyte | oh |
| 13:30.26 | Stskeeps | the free time i have is used for reading for studies, working and coding some for NIT-Debian |
| 13:30.51 | lophyte | cool.. I've been running unreal for years |
| 13:30.59 | lcuk_work | wonders what this "freetime" you speak of is |
| 13:31.13 | lophyte | haha, yeah.. foreign concept lcuk |
| 13:31.19 | Stskeeps | lcuk_work: it's like the idle loop of humans |
| 13:31.29 | lophyte | doesn't have any idle loops |
| 13:31.30 | Stskeeps | and i try to avoid being idle |
| 13:31.31 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:31.51 | lcuk_work | unrealircd? can i get UT99 for linux? |
| 13:32.09 | rm_you | lcuk_work: actually yes :P |
| 13:32.11 | lcuk_work | and hence, when we get pvr, can i get UT99 for maemo? |
| 13:32.36 | lophyte | unfortunately my hobby became my career.. so I rarely do any leisure coding any more :\ |
| 13:32.59 | lcuk_work | thinks that sounds good though |
| 13:33.12 | lcuk_work | your leasure coding feeds you |
| 13:33.18 | lcuk_work | just be sure you enjoy your hobby first |
| 13:33.31 | Stskeeps | i could technically be paid for the work i do with my tablet / debian, but then i would have to give copyright of the stuff i make for uni :P |
| 13:33.31 | lophyte | true enough.. but I don't have full control over it |
| 13:33.53 | lophyte | ie. I can't do maemo development and be paid for it ;) |
| 13:34.13 | lcuk_work | Stskeeps, it would be better as gpl Stskeeps, you get credit, the uni get credit, everyone is happy |
| 13:34.47 | lophyte | though, I *am* working on some pretty cool stuff that might be GPL'd |
| 13:34.59 | Stskeeps | lcuk_work: in any case, when it's my own stuff, it'd be bsd licensed :P |
| 13:35.36 | lcuk_work | fair enough you liberal land lubber |
| 13:35.37 | lcuk_work | :P |
| 13:36.40 | lardman | how can I do this?: int match[6]; match = {1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1}; |
| 13:37.14 | lardman | I know I should be able to initialise using the {}, but I want to change all the values at run time too |
| 13:37.24 | lcuk_work | int match[6] = {1,1,1,1,1,1}; |
| 13:37.33 | lophyte | is that in C? |
| 13:37.46 | lardman | yes |
| 13:37.52 | lophyte | huh, I didn't know you could do that in C |
| 13:38.02 | lophyte | then again I haven't touched C in a *long* time |
| 13:38.02 | Stskeeps | prolly in some wacked gcc-specific extension |
| 13:38.23 | lophyte | <-- python coder |
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| 13:38.34 | lardman | no, in my C book (so <=C99) |
| 13:38.44 | rm_you | erk? that's how I always set up arrays in C >_> |
| 13:38.47 | rm_you | is it wrong? <_< |
| 13:38.53 | Stskeeps | same here, these days.. i just got fed up with all the loopholes you have to go through with C/Java, instead of code that actually does what you mean |
| 13:39.25 | Stskeeps | i can code both quite well (c/java/etc) but when i prototype stuff, python is just nicer ;) |
| 13:39.39 | lardman | so there's no way of changing the values of an entire array in one line, unless you're initialising it? |
| 13:39.54 | lardman | memcpy would require that I have the data elsewhere |
| 13:39.58 | Stskeeps | not beyond making a function to do it |
| 13:40.21 | rm_you | lardman: if you're changing EVERY value, can't you just... delete it and replace it or something like that? |
| 13:40.28 | lophyte | I never got into C/Java for that reason |
| 13:40.40 | lophyte | you had so many other considerations outside of making the program do what you want |
| 13:40.54 | lardman | rm_you: yeah, perhaps |
| 13:41.16 | lophyte | < Stskeeps> lophyte: but yeah, i started the unrealircd project.. and then i happened to stumble upon these lovely tablets |
| 13:41.20 | lophyte | err |
| 13:41.21 | lophyte | wtf |
| 13:41.25 | lophyte | kicks irssi |
| 13:41.29 | lophyte | sorry |
| 13:41.34 | Jaffa | doesn't agree that Python magically lifts any of those other concerns apart from development, compared with Java. |
| 13:41.51 | rm_you | Java is ridiculously easy compared to C imo <_< |
| 13:42.00 | rm_you | I still suck at C comparatively |
| 13:42.06 | rm_you | but Python > all :P |
| 13:42.20 | lophyte | I did a bit of Java, but not much |
| 13:42.51 | rm_you | Java is what I use in programming competitions :P |
| 13:43.20 | Jaffa | Having any of the 3 great Java IDEs (although I personally prefer Eclipse) spoils you for languages like Python ;-) |
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| 13:43.36 | lophyte | the PyDev extension for Eclipse is pretty awesome |
| 13:43.39 | rm_you | Jaffa: how does VIM spoil you for Python? |
| 13:44.05 | rm_you | oh |
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| 13:44.11 | lophyte | though.. I use VIM more often than not |
| 13:44.15 | rm_you | you probably weren't considering that an IDE, lol |
| 13:44.53 | Jaffa | rm_you: not really - refactoring tools, instant compilation, inline warnings & errors, quick navigation features tend not to exist very well in "plain" text editors. |
| 13:45.00 | rm_you | I compile and test my programs from inside VIM anyway, so i consider it my IDE :P |
| 13:45.07 | Jaffa | heh |
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| 13:48.28 | lophyte | time to get down to work I suppose |
| 13:49.02 | lophyte | < lophyte> err |
| 13:49.06 | lophyte | gah |
| 13:49.12 | lophyte | I swear irssi randomly pastes... |
| 13:49.44 | Stskeeps | your irssi is gaining a brain |
| 13:51.41 | lardman | school-boy C question, can arrays be sized by non-static variables? |
| 13:52.27 | rm_you | lol yes |
| 13:52.40 | lardman | good |
| 13:52.46 | rm_you | but they won't change from the time you define them :P |
| 13:52.51 | lardman | I wonder what language doesn't allow that |
| 13:52.57 | rm_you | and you better make sure that value gets calculated properly :P |
| 13:52.57 | lardman | rm_you: no, of course :) |
| 13:53.04 | rm_you | lol |
| 13:53.33 | rm_you | or else the ARRAY INDEX OUT OF BOUNDS monster will eat your flesh |
| 13:54.11 | lardman | hmm, so I could define an array like so: int some_array[some_integer_argument]; ? |
| 13:54.19 | rm_you | yeah |
| 13:54.49 | rm_you | it just takes an INT >_> |
| 13:55.52 | lardman | hmm, still doesn't like me |
| 13:56.05 | rm_you | what does it say? |
| 13:56.17 | lardman | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:56.24 | rm_you | errr |
| 13:56.26 | rm_you | WHAT? |
| 13:56.29 | rm_you | that's random |
| 13:56.48 | lardman | ah, my mistake, +1 inside bracket |
| 13:56.58 | rm_you | lol |
| 13:57.04 | lardman | state[length(state+1)] = state[i]; => state[length(state)+1] = state[i]; |
| 13:57.21 | rm_you | erk |
| 13:57.29 | rm_you | well i would have expected that to work actually |
| 13:57.31 | rm_you | but |
| 13:57.36 | lardman | #define length(a) a[0] |
| 13:58.02 | rm_you | O |
| 13:58.54 | rm_you | Oh, i was looking at the wrong thing |
| 13:58.59 | rm_you | you said bracket :P |
| 13:59.13 | lardman | () = brackets? |
| 13:59.20 | rm_you | parentheses |
| 13:59.25 | rm_you | [] = brackets |
| 13:59.30 | rm_you | {} = braces :P |
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| 13:59.44 | summatusmentis | <> = ? |
| 13:59.48 | lardman | hmm, not in my "never done any comp-sci courses" world |
| 13:59.53 | rm_you | <> angle braces |
| 13:59.58 | rm_you | {} curly braces |
| 14:00.17 | summatusmentis | angle braces? I've always called <> pointy brackets and {} curly brackets |
| 14:00.20 | lcuk_work | [square brackets] (brackets) {curly brackets} <html> |
| 14:00.30 | rm_you | lol that is also acceptable |
| 14:00.34 | mgedmin | <angle brackets> |
| 14:00.45 | wnd | or (round brackets) |
| 14:00.48 | rm_you | brackets is prolly fine for all three |
| 14:01.02 | rm_you | () are definitely parens :P |
| 14:01.04 | mgedmin | I'd understand "brackets" with no qualifier to mean [] |
| 14:01.10 | rm_you | yes |
| 14:01.15 | lcuk_work | now ->>>> # sharp? poun d? octothorp? |
| 14:01.18 | rm_you | if i said braces, would you think {} ? |
| 14:01.21 | mgedmin | hash |
| 14:01.24 | rm_you | yeah |
| 14:01.24 | lardman | hash |
| 14:01.27 | mgedmin | rm_you: yes |
| 14:01.28 | rm_you | hash bang bin bash :P |
| 14:01.31 | [darkterror46] | yellow :) |
| 14:01.34 | lardman | £ = Pound |
| 14:01.36 | lcuk_work | !bang |
| 14:01.39 | mgedmin | don't forget slash |
| 14:01.42 | rm_you | #!/bin/bash :P |
| 14:01.59 | mgedmin | hash bang slash bin slash bash |
| 14:02.10 | rm_you | lol but that isn't as catchy |
| 14:02.18 | lardman | you can tell it's Friday afternoon ;) |
| 14:02.22 | mgedmin | where does "shebang" come from? |
| 14:02.22 | summatusmentis | lcuk_work: # == number sign |
| 14:02.30 | rm_you | hash + bang i think |
| 14:02.31 | lcuk_work | haych tee tee pee colon backslash slash dot dot org |
| 14:02.37 | wnd | fyi, "parentheses MAINLY US Show phonetics // plural noun (UK USUALLY (round) brackets)" |
| 14:02.48 | rm_you | just slurring them together |
| 14:02.52 | lardman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shebang |
| 14:03.20 | rm_you | lol |
| 14:03.28 | lardman | not much use that entry really |
| 14:03.38 | rm_you | wnd wins |
| 14:03.52 | lardman | http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/the-whole-shebang.html |
| 14:03.56 | lardman | that's better |
| 14:04.06 | mgedmin | [citation needed] |
| 14:04.09 | lcuk_work | bang http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/! |
| 14:04.15 | lcuk_work | shebang is more |
| 14:04.33 | summatusmentis | http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/18/nokias-n810-stoops-to-a-mouthwatering-299/ I spent too much |
| 14:04.36 | summatusmentis | :) |
| 14:05.01 | rm_you | tempting but still not |
| 14:05.19 | mgedmin | 299 USD |
| 14:05.20 | lophyte | ...299? |
| 14:05.21 | mgedmin | yum |
| 14:05.22 | lophyte | man |
| 14:05.30 | lophyte | I spent $350 for my N800 six months ago |
| 14:05.34 | lophyte | er |
| 14:05.35 | rm_you | lophyte: !??! |
| 14:05.37 | lophyte | nine months ago now |
| 14:05.49 | lophyte | like last October/November |
| 14:05.50 | rm_you | lophyte: I spent $240 in july 2007 |
| 14:05.54 | lcuk_work | i paid over £300 for mine i think |
| 14:05.57 | lardman | Floating point exception, not ideal |
| 14:06.00 | lophyte | 240? damn! |
| 14:06.03 | lcuk_work | thats about 10billion dollars aint it? |
| 14:06.05 | rm_you | and it came with 2x 4G SD cards and a bluetooth keyboard |
| 14:06.09 | lophyte | .... |
| 14:06.12 | lophyte | how did you manage that |
| 14:06.15 | rm_you | ITT :P |
| 14:06.26 | lophyte | used? |
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| 14:06.58 | rm_you | yeah |
| 14:06.58 | lophyte | ahh |
| 14:07.13 | lophyte | I bought mine from Dell, it was $320 I think, plus taxes and such |
| 14:07.38 | lophyte | only because I wanted the financing... I was self-employed at the time and didn't want to drop $350'ish all at once |
| 14:07.40 | lcuk_work | lardman :( floats are tough - i know you consider my method overkill, but it cleanly identifies the guardbars - if you recognise 3 guards you can then take those and use your calc on thesection in between to give actual stuff? |
| 14:08.05 | lophyte | I considered selling my n800 for an n810 |
| 14:08.21 | lophyte | complete with USB thumb keyboard and BT GPS |
| 14:08.35 | lcuk_work | i considered selling my children for a sports car, but thought i would get in trouble |
| 14:08.36 | summatusmentis | is the n800 the same size as the n810 ? |
| 14:08.43 | lophyte | lcuk_work: hah |
| 14:08.44 | lcuk_work | i mean, i could find out the car is an insurance writeof |
| 14:08.47 | johnx | summatusmentis, a little bigger |
| 14:08.55 | summatusmentis | johnx: ah, ok |
| 14:09.01 | lardman | lcuk_work: that's fair enough, I'm just going to test my code and see if it works (though it has an fp exception, despite not using fp anyway) |
| 14:09.14 | rm_you | ah nm it was $325 :( so i didn't actually beat you by much (well, besides the extras) but that was with shipping to japan :P |
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| 14:09.18 | lardman | lcuk_work: sure |
| 14:09.20 | lcuk_work | you certainly were earlier |
| 14:09.21 | rm_you | just looked up the thread :P |
| 14:09.33 | lophyte | rm_you: still, that's a great price |
| 14:09.39 | rm_you | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7959 |
| 14:09.40 | rm_you | :P |
| 14:10.24 | lophyte | cool |
| 14:10.32 | rm_you | lol, some random guy |
| 14:10.48 | lcuk_work | i wonder if jott knows how to draw onto the gtk surface with the camera data |
| 14:10.55 | lcuk_work | will draw glasses on the recognised eyes |
| 14:11.19 | lardman | :) |
| 14:11.25 | rm_you | ack |
| 14:11.34 | rm_you | will installing "adduser" on the tablet make things EXPLODE? |
| 14:11.39 | rm_you | just curious :P |
| 14:11.46 | lcuk_work | lard - interesting thing: i got it recognising my fingers as guard bars last night |
| 14:11.52 | lardman | lol |
| 14:11.53 | lcuk_work | spread out it found them |
| 14:11.55 | rm_you | i want locate support, and mlocate pulls in adduser |
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| 14:13.09 | rm_you | gah... running updatedb on tablet >_> |
| 14:13.12 | lcuk_work | might remove the screen aspect of the camera and just get raw data: liqbase could them help me |
| 14:13.18 | rm_you | oh wow that was actually quick :P |
| 14:13.31 | lardman | I don't seem to be able to divide one int by another |
| 14:13.41 | lcuk_work | whats the line of code |
| 14:13.56 | lardman | l201 |
| 14:14.07 | lardman | ah, divide by zero error |
| 14:14.29 | lcuk_work | no, which code are you on? you have older svn, and something else from this morning that i havent got a link to anymore |
| 14:14.42 | lardman | svn is up to date |
| 14:15.35 | lcuk_work | in simon |
| 14:15.36 | lcuk_work | ? |
| 14:15.47 | lardman | Simon_1D.c |
| 14:16.16 | lcuk_work | :) gotcha, eugh this computer isnt configured well |
| 14:16.25 | lcuk_work | its opening up the code in visual studio .shit 2005 |
| 14:16.32 | lcuk_work | shudders and waits half an hour |
| 14:18.38 | lcuk_work | whats "fprintf(stderr, "Length of unit = %d\n", unit_length);" coming out as.. |
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| 14:19.11 | mgedmin | why does mlocate want adduser? |
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| 14:19.31 | lophyte | probably needs to add a 'locate' user |
| 14:19.34 | lophyte | for the updatedb cronjob |
| 14:19.55 | lardman | lcuk_work: 0, hence the divide by 0 error |
| 14:20.05 | mgedmin | ah, /usr/bin/mlocate is sgid to the mlocate group |
| 14:20.13 | johnx | mgedmin, sounds like a good time to refactor the posinst script. I did the same thing with crond... |
| 14:20.24 | mgedmin | johnx: go for it! :-) |
| 14:20.31 | rm_you | heh |
| 14:20.32 | johnx | prefers find |
| 14:20.36 | johnx | especially on flash mem |
| 14:20.39 | rm_you | yeah |
| 14:20.39 | johnx | super fast |
| 14:20.39 | mgedmin | hmm |
| 14:20.43 | rm_you | find started annoying me |
| 14:20.46 | rm_you | i missed locate |
| 14:20.50 | lcuk_work | lardman, should you be dividing by the min and not the range ? |
| 14:21.09 | rm_you | anyways, checking out flash 10 beta on n800 :P lol |
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| 14:21.28 | lcuk_work | (data[x]-min)/range should give 0..1 value for where in the range the data is |
| 14:21.29 | mgedmin | find is not super fast |
| 14:21.38 | rm_you | find is horridly slow for my tastes still |
| 14:21.46 | rm_you | locate = nearly instant |
| 14:22.00 | lcuk_work | does locate need a db though? |
| 14:22.03 | mgedmin | 14 seconds |
| 14:22.04 | rm_you | yes |
| 14:22.05 | mgedmin | ouch |
| 14:22.07 | mgedmin | that's not fast |
| 14:22.18 | lardman | lcuk_work: the divide by min is part of the code which tries to overcome slight innacuracies in the sizes of the white and black bands |
| 14:22.24 | rm_you | needs to do updatedb once a week or so when i am asleep :P |
| 14:22.38 | lcuk_work | i dont mind waiting for random searches - it feels like its working and doing its job and as long as it works properly it wont miss stuff |
| 14:24.55 | lcuk_work | ahhhh lardman :) but the low/up bound are to do with contrast and not scale? |
| 14:25.50 | lcuk_work | ahhh, this is your len array (like my hillvalleys) |
| 14:26.00 | lardman | that code is looking at the lengths of the black and white regions, and wants to find the shortest region to use that as a basis for a single bar |
| 14:26.24 | lcuk_work | its doing that: the shortest is 0 ;) |
| 14:26.30 | lardman | I know |
| 14:26.57 | lardman | not sure it's calculating it correctly in that case though |
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| 14:28.32 | lcuk_work | its complexities like this that made me decide to simply use the current span (black or white) and compare the width of its neighbours against itsself |
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| 14:28.58 | lcuk_work | it doesnt matter if i start with one thats 1 pixel or 100 - as long as the adjacent steps are likewise then its a match |
| 14:29.17 | lardman | lcuk_work: the code works in MATLAB, the problem is my conversion to C :) |
| 14:29.40 | lcuk_work | shame you cant run matlab code natively :) |
| 14:29.59 | lardman | you can, but it's slow |
| 14:30.08 | lcuk_work | might start randomly sending a webspider around GIS for barcodes and seeing how many he can match |
| 14:30.37 | lardman | lcuk_work: join the project and stick some code in |
| 14:30.41 | lcuk_work | cool |
| 14:31.37 | lcuk_work | well ill carry on building this base scan i started yesterday and see what i manage with it: i had a major problem last night with getting the makefile to include it and compiled |
| 14:31.58 | lcuk_work | i ended up just doing #include "liqscan.c" in the original c source |
| 14:32.15 | lardman | It would be good to see it in action, I'm just trying to convert this code to see how well it works |
| 14:33.00 | lcuk_work | ok, ill discuss with jott later and ask more in here later (when i can test and make notes) about writing onto the camera preview screen. |
| 14:33.27 | lcuk_work | i really need to see what im detecting as guardbars because for all i know i might be picking up snow |
| 14:33.29 | summatusmentis | lardman: how do I get a filename pointer, so I can pass it to the kernel? |
| 14:33.38 | lcuk_work | although the preview seems to show its not |
| 14:33.46 | lardman | summatusmentis: no idea, but probably just a char array |
| 14:34.25 | summatusmentis | hmm |
| 14:34.33 | lardman | aargh, spent all this time debugging a segfault and it's in the maemo-barcode.c file somewhere |
| 14:34.46 | lardman | jott: does the code work as is? |
| 14:34.49 | lcuk_work | has that been updated since last night? |
| 14:34.56 | lcuk_work | it did at v7 yesterday |
| 14:35.06 | lcuk_work | lots of warnings though |
| 14:35.09 | lardman | hmm, let me check what I've done to it |
| 14:35.13 | lardman | yeah, saw those |
| 14:35.20 | lcuk_work | i did a svn revert |
| 14:35.21 | lardman | they are for the code I commented out at the bottom I think |
| 14:35.27 | lcuk_work | but dont you |
| 14:38.32 | lcuk_work | lardman, im actually surprised i got this compiling on my 810 - i think i am now at about 99% capacity |
| 14:38.43 | lcuk_work | i couldnt even do "apt-get install wafer-mint" |
| 14:39.02 | rm_you | lcuk_work: root on SD :P |
| 14:39.22 | Tu13es | bleh, neither daliclock or mediabox will work on my n770 running os2008he |
| 14:39.49 | lcuk_work | im going to. i plan on purchasing a nice big memory card and then asking some nice soul at the summit to help guide me through it face to face :) |
| 14:40.16 | lardman | :) |
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| 14:41.21 | lardman | lcuk_work: how does one pull a specific version then? |
| 14:41.42 | lcuk_work | i dunno, last night it was v7, you have pushed a few since then |
| 14:42.02 | lcuk_work | svn help revert |
| 14:42.22 | lcuk_work | you can specify individual files/folders and hopefully a version |
| 14:42.31 | lardman | I'm not sure I've pushed anything to do with maemo-barcode.c though |
| 14:42.41 | lcuk_work | then dont revert |
| 14:43.05 | lcuk_work | if jott were here now, he would say "<jott> git will allow branching like this" |
| 14:43.14 | lardman | :) |
| 14:43.32 | lardman | come on Garage! |
| 14:43.36 | lcuk_work | just backup to somewhere else and grab a revision from the web interface |
| 14:43.49 | rm_you | lardman: or copy your file elsewhere, revert, update, make a diff, and mess with the diff manually, then apply to SVN |
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| 14:44.42 | lcuk_work | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/?root=maemo-barcode |
| 14:44.44 | lardman | yeah, I've not touched maemo-barcode.c, I'll pull the original and see if it runs |
| 14:44.53 | vol | i'm trying to define keyboard shortcuts for osso-xterm, but it does not seem to work. Can someone help me out, please? |
| 14:44.57 | lcuk_work | yer, the barcode is v6 |
| 14:45.33 | lcuk_work | that garage page is best way to view cvs :) it gives info as expected |
| 14:46.06 | lardman | ok, well that works |
| 14:46.18 | lardman | time to work out how I broke it with 4 lines of code |
| 14:46.19 | vol | alternately, if someone can tell me where the shortcuts are kept loca;ly, that wpuld help |
| 14:47.10 | lcuk_work | ill bb later |
| 14:47.33 | qwerty12 | vol: http://inz.fi/blog/2007/01/24/more-osso-xterm-shortcuts/ . The shortcuts are stored in gconf. |
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| 14:48.10 | vol | qwerty12: ok. i looked there. i think i am using the wrong format. |
| 14:48.48 | vol | where is gconf locared? sorry |
| 14:48.54 | vol | located |
| 14:49.18 | aquatix | lardman, little question about your dsp-tremor: how complete is it and how do i install it? |
| 14:49.24 | aquatix | :) |
| 14:49.33 | lardman | aquatix: it's not complete |
| 14:49.43 | aquatix | as dsp-enabled ogg playback sounds great |
| 14:49.43 | aquatix | ah |
| 14:49.54 | lardman | any help welcome of course ;) |
| 14:50.00 | aquatix | :) |
| 14:50.07 | aquatix | what has to be done yet? |
| 14:50.57 | lardman | the iDCT fns need to be converted to use 16bit chars, there's also apparently some memory corruption in one of the buffers |
| 14:51.01 | vol | oops, i'mdumb. |
| 14:51.11 | lardman | which means that the vorbis stream is not recognised as it should be |
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| 14:51.22 | vol | i did not realize that <ctrl> was literal |
| 14:51.37 | vol | thanks |
| 14:51.39 | lardman | I'm half way through removing the slab allocation code and going back to using malloc() |
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| 14:53.10 | lardman | aquatix: have a look at the mailing list for the project, it summarises the current position (to help me remember mainly) |
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| 14:55.53 | aquatix | lardman: ah, k |
| 14:56.22 | lardman | I will crack on with it in August |
| 14:56.32 | lardman | but low motivation as I don't use OGGs |
| 14:56.43 | aquatix | get some ;) |
| 14:56.49 | lardman | plus debugging memory errors on the DSP is a pita |
| 14:56.52 | lardman | ;) |
| 14:57.03 | aquatix | not sure how much time i have, but i *might* take a look at it |
| 14:57.10 | lardman | lol |
| 14:57.10 | aquatix | yeah |
| 14:57.13 | lardman | it's involved |
| 14:57.20 | lardman | but converting fns is pretty simple |
| 14:57.21 | aquatix | i'm not that good in debugging C memory stuff :P |
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| 15:00.54 | rm_you | it was mainly dealing with the DSP toolchain that scared me away from helping with SBC |
| 15:00.58 | rm_you | <_< |
| 15:01.01 | Tu13es | can I flash in Windows? |
| 15:01.07 | Tu13es | or do I need OS X/linux? |
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| 15:02.26 | rm_you | Tu13es: any |
| 15:02.33 | johnx | Tu13es, https://wiki.maemo.org/Upgrading_tablet_OS |
| 15:02.41 | Tu13es | thx |
| 15:02.53 | lardman | rm_you: toolchain is quite painless, promise |
| 15:02.57 | rm_you | have to re-port Midori from Bundyo's patches |
| 15:03.05 | rm_you | along with compiling webkit and libxslt >_> |
| 15:03.09 | lardman | rm_you and others, looking at & converting code is of use too |
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| 15:04.13 | mgedmin_ | HATES LINUX HIBERNATION |
| 15:04.21 | mgedmin_ | accidentally pressed Fn+F12 |
| 15:04.22 | lardman | hates segfaults |
| 15:04.30 | qwerty12 | hates both |
| 15:04.37 | mgedmin_ | and OF COURSE I had upgraded my kernel and not rebooted |
| 15:04.43 | mgedmin_ | so the hibernation SILENTLY FAILS on resume, giving me a fresh new session |
| 15:04.46 | rm_you | hates that detective guy on Law and Order: Criminal Intent, you know, that one that is a total prick |
| 15:04.51 | qwerty12 | done that too |
| 15:05.01 | mgedmin_ | and there's no WARNING, no CONFIRMATION, and no way to CANCEL an accidental hibernation |
| 15:05.10 | mgedmin_ | kicks linux |
| 15:05.25 | qwerty12 | Tux kicks mgedmin_ |
| 15:06.08 | dougt | is there a way to determine programmatically what your desktop entry name is? |
| 15:06.15 | rm_you | kicks Vincent D'Onofrio |
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| 15:06.31 | hrw | dougt: 'desktop entry name'? |
| 15:06.44 | dougt | in a deb, there is a desktop file. |
| 15:06.46 | rm_you | dougt: you're the one naming it... |
| 15:06.55 | dougt | :-) |
| 15:06.55 | rm_you | dougt: name it whatever you want |
| 15:07.04 | rm_you | and then programmatically remember? :P |
| 15:07.07 | dougt | at runtime, how do I get the value |
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| 15:07.11 | lcuk_work | dougt, call it adv_backlight just to pee rm_you off |
| 15:07.17 | rm_you | err... why |
| 15:07.26 | lcuk_work | <rm_you> dougt: name it whatever you want |
| 15:07.31 | rm_you | i dont understand when that would be relevent |
| 15:07.34 | lcuk_work | its up to him :P |
| 15:07.36 | rm_you | not you, lcuk :P |
| 15:07.49 | rm_you | still talking exclusively to him :P |
| 15:08.08 | rm_you | why do you need to do it at runtime? when would that ever be necessary? |
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| 15:08.32 | rm_you | YOU name the desktop file whatever you want... do just type the name you chose into the code |
| 15:08.35 | dougt | so, we have an library that is passed the application name from a text file. |
| 15:08.48 | dougt | from the library, we call osso_init() |
| 15:08.58 | dougt | it would probably be a good idea if these two values matched |
| 15:09.01 | rm_you | oh |
| 15:10.10 | lardman | lcuk_work: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/maemo-barcode/maemo-barcode.c |
| 15:10.16 | lcuk_work | dougt, is it the principle binary which loads your library and calls the function? |
| 15:10.19 | lardman | see if you can spot the segfault cause |
| 15:10.30 | dougt | lcuk_work: no. |
| 15:10.36 | dougt | it is the library does does everything. |
| 15:10.48 | rm_you | grep "Name=FBReader" /usr/share/applications/hildon/* | awk -F: '{ print $1 }' |
| 15:10.50 | lcuk_work | i cant build or compile, is it getting far enough to show the preview |
| 15:10.51 | dougt | just looking for a way to notify the developer that something is wrong. |
| 15:11.02 | rm_you | IE |
| 15:11.09 | rm_you | grep "Name="$appname /usr/share/applications/hildon/* | awk -F: '{ print $1 }' |
| 15:11.19 | dougt | right now, we just have documentation: make sure that your name in application.ini matches your desktop entry file. |
| 15:11.32 | dougt | (well, i need to write above said documentation...) |
| 15:11.37 | rm_you | dougt: get that? |
| 15:11.50 | rm_you | dougt: or use similar logic inside your program |
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| 15:11.57 | dougt | yeah, calling awk seems wrong from a library. |
| 15:12.02 | dougt | ah. |
| 15:12.04 | dougt | i see. |
| 15:12.06 | rm_you | not if it is bash :P |
| 15:12.06 | dougt | hmm. |
| 15:12.14 | lardman | lcuk_work: it displays the message "Failed", so it's returned from the Simon_1D code, but then segfaults |
| 15:12.16 | lcuk_work | ahhhh - "desktop entry file" being the actual desktop information file used to say this app==thisbinary==thisicon that is run when the user clicks on the thing from the menu |
| 15:13.06 | rm_you | dougt: get list of files in the directory "/usr/share/applications/hildon/", open them all, grab the line that starts with "Name=", compare the following string, math or else go to next file |
| 15:13.18 | rm_you | err, open one by one, not open them all |
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| 15:13.48 | rm_you | while (!matches(filename,app_name)) |
| 15:13.52 | qwerty12 | thought osso_init which was provided by libosso requires that the dbus service name is the same otherwise the system kills it after 15 seconds? |
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| 15:14.08 | lcuk_work | pixbuf = gdk_pixbuf_new_from_data whats this used for lardman |
| 15:14.19 | lcuk_work | it was commented out last night wasnt it |
| 15:14.26 | rm_you | taking the camera image and putting it in a pixbuf prolly? :P |
| 15:14.36 | lcuk_work | no, thats done automatically |
| 15:15.13 | lcuk_work | theres a tee bar and the data is split into image/screen branches automagically |
| 15:15.34 | lcuk_work | this is at the end of using it for the image component, nothing to do with the screen |
| 15:15.38 | lcuk_work | or it wasnt last night anyway |
| 15:15.44 | lardman | lcuk_work: no idea, not mine |
| 15:16.10 | lcuk_work | its ok, its commented still |
| 15:16.20 | lcuk_work | crappeh none ide editor :) |
| 15:16.40 | rm_you | lcuk_work: try VIM :P |
| 15:16.43 | lcuk_work | who allocates the EAN data |
| 15:17.08 | lardman | lcuk_work: it's done in the 1D code |
| 15:17.20 | lardman | allocates, ah, that's in maemo-barcode.c |
| 15:17.22 | rm_you | woah: /scratchbox/tools/bin/sh: line 1: /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure: No such file or directory |
| 15:17.35 | rm_you | !? |
| 15:17.41 | rm_you | odd |
| 15:17.43 | mgedmin | rm_you: ignore |
| 15:17.58 | mgedmin | harmless warning |
| 15:18.00 | rm_you | i was going to, after being astounded that part of dpkg is missing ;P |
| 15:18.07 | mgedmin | dpkg-preconfigure is an user-interface optimisation |
| 15:18.25 | mgedmin | it presents you with questions all at once instead of spreading them through the whole install/upgrade process |
| 15:18.34 | mgedmin | if it's not available, you'll get those debconf questions later |
| 15:18.39 | rm_you | ah ok |
| 15:18.39 | mgedmin | assuming there are any debconf questions |
| 15:18.54 | mgedmin | still, would be nice if scratchbox/maemo sdk were fixed not to omit that scary warning |
| 15:18.55 | rm_you | god damnit i have Vincent D'Onofrio soooo much |
| 15:19.05 | mgedmin | who |
| 15:19.06 | rm_you | just leaving his imdb page open and glancing at it made me ANGRY |
| 15:19.07 | mgedmin | 's he |
| 15:19.18 | lcuk_work | lardman, check to see if it gets outside of the if(!analyse_image(data_photo, appdata)) |
| 15:19.19 | lcuk_work | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:19.23 | rm_you | the main detective in Law and Order: Criminal Intent |
| 15:19.31 | rm_you | >_< |
| 15:20.32 | lcuk_work | and lardman - do you print "failed" yourself within simon.c module? |
| 15:20.47 | lardman | no, the failed is from analyse_image() |
| 15:21.34 | lcuk_work | then since theres nothing else inside that function after printing failed, move back to see what calls it and print something else |
| 15:21.44 | lcuk_work | i have to go though, ill b back later |
| 15:22.01 | lardman | but it I comment out the call to GetBarCodeData(), it works |
| 15:22.07 | lardman | and set ret=0 of course |
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| 15:26.22 | rm_you | hrm |
| 15:26.42 | rm_you | maybe i should check out your SVN and help debug :P am bored and annoyed with webkit |
| 15:27.28 | lardman | hopefully am nearly there, looks like the segfault happens on the second run through |
| 15:27.56 | rm_you | hrm |
| 15:28.05 | rm_you | damn this dh_install |
| 15:28.08 | lardman | but do feel free by all means |
| 15:28.15 | rm_you | dh_install: python-libxslt1 missing files (usr/lib/python*/site-packages/*.py*), aborting |
| 15:28.19 | rm_you | not telling me WHAT its missing |
| 15:28.26 | rm_you | only warnings above |
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| 15:29.53 | budmang | Hey guys, anyone else having issuses with diablo and the email client? |
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| 15:30.52 | budmang | Im on a sd card boot (8gb) and its tellng me to free up space. |
| 15:32.27 | lardman | I've still yet to see any C code that does this: int a=10; int b[a]; |
| 15:32.37 | budmang | Its the only application that errors on update |
| 15:32.53 | wnd | lardman, I haven't seen anything like that before either |
| 15:33.13 | lardman | wnd: I'm just trying to work out if that's my problem |
| 15:33.24 | lardman | wnd: I suppose I could just malloc and see |
| 15:33.48 | mgedmin | lardman: that's advanced C99 stuff, and it's only been what, 9 years since it became valid C? |
| 15:34.00 | mgedmin | how can any compiler support it after only 9 years? |
| 15:34.06 | lardman | lol |
| 15:34.20 | lardman | as long as it's supposed to be supported? |
| 15:36.14 | mgedmin | is not sure |
| 15:36.36 | lardman | malloc it is |
| 15:36.43 | lardman | seems to work first time through though |
| 15:37.09 | rm_you | Am I seriously the only person to do code like that lardman?! |
| 15:37.11 | wnd | budmang, I doubt the email client uses internal or removable memory card. have you tried freeing up some disk space on the root-fs, that is, under "Audio Clips", "Documents", and other stuff listed right under the device (seen through file manager)? |
| 15:37.12 | rm_you | I thought that was common |
| 15:37.21 | rm_you | that's how I learned in Java and C++ |
| 15:37.31 | rm_you | so I just assumed it worked in C too, and used it a lot |
| 15:37.33 | lardman | rm_you: yeah, but they are not C |
| 15:37.42 | wnd | budmang, I don't use the email client myself so I'm just guessing |
| 15:37.44 | lardman | rm_you: but it works for you? |
| 15:37.56 | rm_you | I guess it comes from using Java/C++ first, and then not knowing better when I go back? >_> |
| 15:38.36 | rm_you | seems to? >_> |
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| 15:42.18 | rm_you | lardman: http://slexy.org/view/s2CtpBDPwZ |
| 15:42.37 | lardman | yeah |
| 15:42.44 | lardman | works for me first time through too |
| 15:42.49 | lardman | not sure if that's a difference |
| 15:42.59 | rm_you | ... if it works it should work |
| 15:43.01 | lardman | first time it's declared |
| 15:43.04 | rm_you | i will check out SVN and look |
| 15:43.11 | rm_you | what is the project name? |
| 15:43.12 | sjenkins | offline mode has disappeared from my power button menu. anyone know how to restore it? |
| 15:43.19 | lardman | maemo-barcode |
| 15:43.44 | rm_you | lardman: and the problem is? |
| 15:43.52 | lardman | segfault |
| 15:44.11 | rm_you | and you've isolated it to a function? |
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| 15:45.00 | lardman | looks like it comes from somewhere in my code, the second time it's run |
| 15:45.01 | churl | in maemo mapper, do the yahoo maps and google maps have a tendency to crash the program instantly? |
| 15:45.06 | rm_you | ... |
| 15:45.08 | lardman | which is what confused me to begin with |
| 15:45.21 | snowmoon-work | Interesting... playing with pyinotify and the rss reader is dumping files in /tmp... I've never even configured it! |
| 15:46.32 | snowmoon-work | That's a dumb default |
| 15:46.33 | RST38h | churl: no |
| 15:46.56 | rm_you | lardman: err |
| 15:47.00 | rm_you | how do i get it to do something |
| 15:47.06 | rm_you | besides just show me camera :P |
| 15:47.13 | churl | RST38h: good to know |
| 15:47.15 | rm_you | and scroll xxxxxx |
| 15:47.23 | lardman | yeah, you need the code I gave the url to earlier |
| 15:47.33 | lardman | I didn';t want to push it as it's not working |
| 15:47.37 | rm_you | kk |
| 15:47.39 | rm_you | url? |
| 15:48.19 | rm_you | can you generate a diff plz? |
| 15:48.28 | rm_you | svn diff -rhead |
| 15:48.31 | lardman | not easily |
| 15:48.36 | lardman | ah ok |
| 15:48.36 | rm_you | ... |
| 15:48.47 | rm_you | svn diff -rhead myfile.c > patch.diff |
| 15:48.51 | rm_you | :) |
| 15:48.58 | rm_you | useful for all involved |
| 15:49.18 | RST38h | even ones without svn? =) |
| 15:49.25 | rm_you | yes :) |
| 15:49.35 | rm_you | garage.maemo.org/svn/maemo-barcode/myfile.c |
| 15:49.37 | rm_you | :P |
| 15:49.51 | rm_you | not to people without web browsers i guess |
| 15:50.10 | pupnik | the camera can read barcodes? |
| 15:50.17 | RST38h | is a poor guy without web browser |
| 15:50.18 | rm_you | pupnik: soon maybe :P |
| 15:50.24 | rm_you | RST38h: wget :P |
| 15:50.27 | pupnik | that seems ambitious! |
| 15:50.30 | lardman | ~lart Gnome for being crap |
| 15:50.30 | infobot | hereby declares Gnome a troll for being crap |
| 15:50.33 | rm_you | pupnik: not too much :P |
| 15:50.45 | rm_you | pupnik: ambitious is QRcodes next week :P |
| 15:51.04 | rm_you | which if they get 1D working and I can port this objective C easily... could maybe happen? :P lol |
| 15:51.09 | pupnik | so this barcode software has been tested effective with other 640x480 cameras? |
| 15:51.19 | rm_you | pupnik: it works with cellphone cameras |
| 15:51.24 | rm_you | like, ANY cellphone camera |
| 15:51.25 | lardman | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/maemo-barcode.diff |
| 15:51.53 | rm_you | lardman: hrm... |
| 15:51.59 | rm_you | compile error |
| 15:52.18 | rm_you | /var/tmp/ccYB908i.o: In function `analyse_image':maemo-barcode.c:(.text+0xa5c): undefined reference to `GetBarCodeData' |
| 15:52.19 | pupnik | um... how close can the N8x0 camera focus? |
| 15:52.24 | rm_you | pupnik: close enough |
| 15:52.30 | rm_you | pupnik: barely tho :P |
| 15:52.43 | pupnik | is impressed at the audacious project |
| 15:52.44 | lardman | rm_you: yeah, you need to include the Simon_1D.c file |
| 15:52.48 | rm_you | aiming it at the barcode is *@(#&(!@#^ tho |
| 15:53.03 | lardman | that's what /me is saying atm |
| 15:53.04 | pupnik | yeah probly easier with the n800 than n810 |
| 15:53.10 | lardman | fscking barcode sw |
| 15:53.32 | pupnik | will let you get back to productive |
| 15:54.35 | snowmoon-work | wonders why the Hildon file section dialog is not maximized? |
| 15:55.01 | johnx | snowmoon-work, I wonder that too |
| 15:55.05 | rm_you | lardman: same error? |
| 15:55.29 | snowmoon-work | seems like a huge waste of space and scrolling effort |
| 15:55.40 | lardman | hmm, I bet it's an array index being negative or something like that |
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| 15:56.15 | rm_you | nm got it |
| 15:56.18 | rm_you | now different error :P |
| 15:56.22 | jobu | anyone anyone work with pyqt on maemo/nokia n8x0? |
| 15:56.27 | lardman | long1 = -1116409433, long2 = 1 |
| 15:56.30 | lardman | hmm, not ideal |
| 15:57.03 | rm_you | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:57.19 | lardman | nasty |
| 15:57.48 | rm_you | <_< |
| 15:57.56 | rm_you | this is the sort of headache SVN is supposed to prevent |
| 15:57.59 | rm_you | just check it in |
| 15:58.13 | rm_you | and make a note "not working, use r(thisrev)-1" |
| 15:58.33 | lardman | ok, hang on |
| 15:59.23 | rm_you | what is .m?! |
| 15:59.37 | rm_you | that is the same extension as on that Objective C stuff |
| 15:59.37 | lardman | MATLAB |
| 15:59.39 | rm_you | ah |
| 15:59.44 | lardman | done |
| 16:00.01 | rm_you | ... |
| 16:00.02 | rm_you | /var/tmp/ccpiHVfE.o: In function `analyse_image':maemo-barcode.c:(.text+0xa5c): undefined reference to `GetBarCodeData' |
| 16:00.12 | rm_you | on revision 20 |
| 16:00.16 | lardman | the Makefile doesn't work |
| 16:00.18 | lardman | :) |
| 16:00.21 | rm_you | BLAH |
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| 16:00.25 | rm_you | >_< |
| 16:00.38 | lardman | hasn't got round to fixing it yet |
| 16:00.38 | rm_you | what is the correct compilation stuff then |
| 16:00.41 | rm_you | i'll fix it |
| 16:00.57 | rm_you | what is the correct gcc line |
| 16:01.02 | rm_you | so i can see what it is doing wrong |
| 16:01.10 | lardman | the Simon_1D.c doesn't need any thing special to compile |
| 16:01.27 | rm_you | ... |
| 16:01.28 | wiza | damn modest... |
| 16:01.29 | lardman | the Makefile needs to be tweaked to compile that and maemo-barcode as .o, then link to an executable |
| 16:01.35 | rm_you | oh |
| 16:01.36 | rm_you | k |
| 16:01.44 | wiza | I want my sent and draft folders on imap server |
| 16:01.50 | lardman | atm it just tries to make an executable I think |
| 16:03.48 | lcuk_work | rm_you, same question as last night, just with a different .c file to include |
| 16:03.55 | rm_you | kk |
| 16:03.57 | rm_you | fixing it |
| 16:03.59 | lcuk_work | what was wrong with it lard? |
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| 16:04.10 | lcuk_work | ~lart customers |
| 16:04.10 | infobot | beats customers severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken |
| 16:04.14 | lardman | rubbish in, rubbish out I think |
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| 16:05.10 | lcuk_work | will find out how to draw onto the screen (or run with liqbase instead) |
| 16:05.37 | summatusmentis | do we have any idea as to when n900 might be announced? |
| 16:05.47 | lcuk_work | whats an n900? |
| 16:05.56 | summatusmentis | presumably the next NIT |
| 16:06.14 | summatusmentis | (after n810w) |
| 16:06.18 | lcuk_work | nokia might surprise you and go for a completely different number |
| 16:06.39 | summatusmentis | ok, that's possible. Do when have any idea as to when the next NIT might be announced? :-P |
| 16:06.41 | johnx | summatusmentis, no hints from Nokia, but some people seem to think 4Q 2008 / 1Q 2009 |
| 16:06.50 | summatusmentis | johnx: oh, ok |
| 16:06.52 | lcuk_work | nRazr or nnn810 |
| 16:07.03 | summatusmentis | I hope it's not nRazr |
| 16:07.10 | summatusmentis | or nnn810 for that matter :) |
| 16:07.14 | lardman | ah |
| 16:07.37 | ||cw | the n810 price just dropped, which implies sooner than later |
| 16:08.03 | jobu | if you google for it, you will see people predicting it would come out last month heh |
| 16:08.08 | lcuk_work | i guess some kind of massive get together of interested parties would seem like a logical time to make some sort of big announcement |
| 16:08.30 | lcuk_work | i dunno when thats gonna be though |
| 16:08.51 | lardman | rm_you: I see the problem |
| 16:08.57 | lardman | in my conversion from MATLAB->C |
| 16:09.22 | johnx | also, I think they'd be silly to announce a potential next-gen tablet before the n810we came out |
| 16:09.48 | johnx | basically a sure way to Osbourne themselves... |
| 16:10.18 | lcuk_work | isnt it known for companies to possibly change direction and tact slightly, especially if necessary infrastructure for wireless networking isnt exactly spectacular |
| 16:10.45 | johnx | lcuk_work, yeah, i have been wondering about whether the n810we will see the light of day |
| 16:10.53 | lcuk_work | :) |
| 16:10.57 | jobu | anyone get pyqt working on diablo? |
| 16:11.15 | jobu | or any version of maemo for that matter |
| 16:11.22 | johnx | lcuk_work, I was sure we wouldn't see diablo until it was out, but here it is and no word of the n810we at all... |
| 16:12.23 | Jaffa | did fanboishly wonder if the fremantle UI & Maemo vision keynotes at OSiM World & the summit would coincide with a surprise N900 with fremantle announcement; but it's too soon after diablo and the N810W's not out. So N900 before 4Q2008 is unimaginable really. |
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| 16:20.05 | lcuk_work | jaffa, wasnt 810 announced a couple of months before hitting the shops. arent paper launches the norm nowadays? |
| 16:20.51 | lcuk_work | back later |
| 16:20.57 | johnx | sleeps |
| 16:21.14 | Jaffa | lcuk_work: very true |
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| 16:21.37 | Jaffa | N810 was announced October IIRC, on sale mid-December. |
| 16:21.56 | Jaffa | wonders if GeneralAntilles' wikipedia pages mention announcement and first sale dates |
| 16:23.28 | TheAlien | hi everyone, i just got a 770, upgraded to the newest os2006, ate the red pill. now im trying to get aircrack-pwt installed, which worked, but seems to need aircrack-ng to capture data for the -pwt to work on. aircrack-ng won't install, and i cant find kismet, can someone help me get (closer) to my goal? |
| 16:24.30 | qwerty12 | Hmm, if I compiled an static binary using the standard DIABLO_ARMEL target, any chance of the binary working in initfs? :/ |
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| 16:25.11 | mgedmin | maemo.org still incredibly slow |
| 16:25.16 | Jaffa | qwerty12: should do, shouldn't it? |
| 16:25.35 | Jaffa | mgedmin: and the wiki.maemo.org certificate *still* hasn't been fixed. |
| 16:25.38 | qwerty12 | Jaffa: Hopefully, I guess the only way is to try :). |
| 16:25.49 | qwerty12 | ~lart Nokia for being scared to release an uclibc toolchain. |
| 16:25.49 | infobot | executes killall -HUP Nokia for being scared to release an uclibc toolchain. |
| 16:27.02 | mgedmin | SLOW IS DEAD |
| 16:27.05 | rm_you | lardman: http://slexy.org/view/s2UEUuvVoR |
| 16:27.32 | rm_you | prolly the best way to do it >_> |
| 16:27.53 | rm_you | err |
| 16:27.56 | rm_you | don't need the SRC line |
| 16:28.25 | rm_you | lardman: http://slexy.org/view/s2CWbq14eF |
| 16:28.27 | lardman | thanks :) |
| 16:28.40 | rm_you | np |
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| 16:28.49 | rm_you | crapload of warnings you got there :P |
| 16:29.57 | mgedmin | rm_you: suggest replacing the '%:' pattern rule with '%.o: %.c' |
| 16:30.02 | rm_you | ok so anyway, you thought you got it? |
| 16:30.08 | rm_you | mgedmin: yeah prolly |
| 16:31.06 | rm_you | http://slexy.org/view/s21kjO7AbF |
| 16:31.14 | rm_you | anyways, lardman: any progress? |
| 16:31.29 | lardman | rm_you: yeah, looks like my conversion to C destroyed my logic |
| 16:31.32 | rm_you | lol |
| 16:31.35 | rm_you | oops |
| 16:31.43 | lardman | I'm fixing with lots of fprintfs to help me along the way |
| 16:32.00 | lardman | no idea why it managed a run through to begin with - lucky memory layout I guess |
| 16:33.34 | lardman | for the Makefile I get: mixed implicit and static pattern rules. Stop. (line 31) |
| 16:33.47 | lardman | though the lines may be broken from the copy & paste |
| 16:33.51 | rm_you | sec |
| 16:33.53 | lardman | %.o:%.c: |
| 16:34.03 | rm_you | use tabs for everything |
| 16:34.06 | rm_you | just go to the top and do |
| 16:34.16 | rm_you | =G |
| 16:34.18 | rm_you | gg=G |
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| 16:34.25 | rm_you | or, do you use VIM? |
| 16:34.38 | lardman | :) |
| 16:34.48 | lardman | no, gedit |
| 16:34.58 | rm_you | anyway, in VIM, gg=g reindents the entire file |
| 16:35.02 | rm_you | err |
| 16:35.04 | rm_you | gg=G |
| 16:35.28 | rm_you | makefiles use tabs as syntax |
| 16:35.30 | rm_you | soooo |
| 16:35.33 | rm_you | be careful |
| 16:36.02 | rm_you | if i apply to the project i guess i could just checkin the makefile :P |
| 16:36.03 | rm_you | lol |
| 16:36.41 | lardman | rm_you: yeah, I've done the tab replacement thing, but only visually from the slexy page |
| 16:36.48 | rm_you | <_< |
| 16:37.00 | rm_you | wget http://slexy.org/raw/s21kjO7AbF -O Makefile |
| 16:37.25 | rm_you | ack fsck that |
| 16:37.33 | rm_you | wget http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/Makefile |
| 16:37.36 | rm_you | the original :P |
| 16:38.33 | lardman | cool, thanks :) |
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| 16:40.02 | TheAlien | hiya, u guys reading me? |
| 16:40.14 | lardman | another divide by zero error :S |
| 16:40.17 | TheAlien | hi everyone, i just got a 770, upgraded to the newest os2006, ate the red pill. now im trying to get aircrack-pwt installed, which worked, but seems to need aircrack-ng to capture data for the -pwt to work on. aircrack-ng won't install, and i cant find kismet, can someone help me get (closer) to my goal? commentary like 'its impossible' also welcome |
| 16:40.30 | smyows | hello people :) |
| 16:41.55 | rm_you | lardman: on n800, rotation support helps a lot with this |
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| 16:42.17 | rm_you | i can rotate the n800 screen 180 degrees and then turn it upside down so the barcode is face up for the camera :P |
| 16:42.24 | lardman | ah, I see |
| 16:42.44 | rm_you | and so moving the n800 makes the image move in a way that makes sense |
| 16:43.12 | rm_you | anyway, i get lots of called DoProfileDecode(); Failed; Left analyse_image() |
| 16:43.16 | rm_you | prolly cause the logic is broken :P |
| 16:43.34 | TheAlien | can someone at least confirm that you can see my text :P |
| 16:43.40 | rm_you | TheAlien: blah |
| 16:43.59 | TheAlien | thanks |
| 16:44.12 | rm_you | TheAlien: dunno about aircrack on 770 >_> which OS are you on? |
| 16:44.22 | rm_you | OS2006/7/8? |
| 16:44.37 | TheAlien | so i found the log area of app manager, and tho airport-ng says it conflicts with installed software, the log shows the command to install the package but no errors or messages after it |
| 16:44.41 | smyows | i ve installed openvpn on my n800 (os2008) but the vpn do not estabilish... the tun.ko module is not present on kernel of os2008? |
| 16:44.42 | TheAlien | os2006 latest |
| 16:45.09 | rm_you | smyows: as root try "modprobe tun.ko" |
| 16:45.15 | qwerty12 | rm_you: wouldn't work. |
| 16:45.20 | rm_you | TheAlien: no idea... have you tried installing via xterm? |
| 16:45.25 | rm_you | qwerty12: lol, just a guess :P |
| 16:45.29 | qwerty12 | :) |
| 16:45.32 | smyows | rm_you, yes, but is not present tun.ko |
| 16:45.42 | lardman | cool, got video to run now, I just need more error checking |
| 16:45.47 | lardman | beer first, then more coding :) |
| 16:45.55 | rm_you | heh |
| 16:45.57 | rm_you | checkin ;P |
| 16:46.07 | TheAlien | rm_you: i havent. i assume id need root. and although i have becomeroot, you do sudo becomeroot, right? if i do that, im asked for a password. dont know what it could be. enter just drops me back to a prompt. |
| 16:46.13 | qwerty12 | lardman: coding first, then more beer :P |
| 16:46.17 | rm_you | TheAlien: sudo gainroot |
| 16:46.20 | Jaffa | TheAlien: "sudo gainroot" |
| 16:46.24 | TheAlien | password: |
| 16:46.26 | Jaffa | snap |
| 16:46.28 | lardman | qwerty12: works better the other way round ;) |
| 16:46.34 | rm_you | lardman: svn ci -m "" && more beer |
| 16:46.47 | Jaffa | rm_you: commits with no message: the work of Satan! |
| 16:46.51 | rm_you | lol |
| 16:46.52 | smyows | anyone have openvpn installed and working? |
| 16:46.56 | rm_you | assuming he will insert one himself :P |
| 16:47.07 | rm_you | i dont know what to type for him |
| 16:47.08 | lardman | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:47.10 | qwerty12 | lardman: but it works better for us this way :p. nah, joking, I love the work you've been doing |
| 16:47.15 | rm_you | sure :P |
| 16:47.20 | TheAlien | jagga: hey it worked! |
| 16:47.26 | TheAlien | ok im root now. |
| 16:47.33 | churl | does there exsist a file manager for the n800 that's like "thundar" . anything with a nice gui ?? |
| 16:47.54 | rm_you | churl: like *thunar? |
| 16:48.14 | churl | it's the file manager i have in xfce |
| 16:48.21 | rm_you | i know theres a couple, dunno if any really have a decent UI yet |
| 16:48.28 | rm_you | yeah, was making sure thats what you meant |
| 16:48.36 | rm_you | had a d in there :P |
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| 16:48.50 | churl | TAKE THAT SPELLING! |
| 16:48.52 | rm_you | yay Zetx is back |
| 16:49.15 | rm_you | or Zet is, either way |
| 16:49.33 | churl | it's just that the default n800 one throws me for a loop, |
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| 16:50.38 | qwerty12 | gst-plugins-bad-xvid better build for me :/ |
| 16:50.48 | rm_you | lol |
| 16:50.52 | rm_you | lardman: checkin! >_< |
| 16:51.50 | qwerty12 | motherfcukin package >.<. I only get the doc folder in the final deb >.< |
| 16:51.58 | lardman | rm_you: done ;) |
| 16:52.15 | smyows | how to compile a new kernel for os2008 |
| 16:52.16 | rm_you | lol |
| 16:52.34 | rm_you | smyows: poke qwerty, watch kernel compile, retrieve compiled kernel from qwerty :P |
| 16:53.02 | qwerty12 | Who's this qwerty guy? |
| 16:53.12 | TheAlien | can anyone quickly give me dpkg options to install smthing? |
| 16:53.21 | qwerty12 | dpkg -i? |
| 16:53.58 | qwerty12 | Ze mark of the devil is on my itt profile |
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| 16:54.50 | ianf-h | Can anyone recommend a good BT headset for the N810 |
| 16:54.51 | lardman | well that's vaguely cool, lots of debugging output while the camera's on, the when I stick a barcode in front I get a divide by zero error ;) |
| 16:54.52 | ianf-h | ? |
| 16:55.03 | rm_you | lol neat |
| 16:55.45 | rm_you | means it is recognizing it? :P |
| 16:55.45 | TheAlien | it says that the package architecture (arm) doesnt match system (armel) |
| 16:56.04 | qwerty12 | Typical, the folders in debian/ have the right files inside but my final deb doesn't. I'm repacking, md5sums can pee off. |
| 16:56.04 | rm_you | TheAlien: where did you get the .deb |
| 16:56.26 | rm_you | arm and armel are different build targets |
| 16:56.53 | Jaffa | lardman: Have you seen the OS X app "My Library" (or something like that). It was held up at JavaOne in one of the UI talks as an example of how a good UI can make people spend lots of money ($49 a copy, IIRC) for what's effectively a book/DVD/CD database. The one cool feature it had was using the web cam to read the barcode and go and retrieve details & cover image for the book/DVD/CD in question. Something like that on the tablet would be very cool :-) |
| 16:57.16 | qwerty12 | TheAlien: Just out of question, you didn't grab that aircrack from a post by a guy named qwerty12 right? Or did you get from mulliner repo? |
| 16:57.18 | Cptnodegard | qwerty12, sorry but im too lazy to read throough the 28 page ITT thread: did you by any chance release an app that lets you rotate the screen without a bunch of configuring and tewaking? (saw someone say "thank qwerty12" |
| 16:57.38 | lardman | Jaffa: yes thanks, dneary pointed it out to me yesterday |
| 16:57.48 | rm_you | lardman: :( all i get is segfault or floating point exception instantly no matter wjay |
| 16:57.48 | qwerty12 | Cptnodegard: I made debs of the rotation, you just have to install the debs and run flash-and-reboot. |
| 16:57.49 | TheAlien | rm_you: i got it from mulliner |
| 16:57.50 | rm_you | *what |
| 16:57.58 | TheAlien | could this work better? http://packages.debian.org/sid/armel/aircrack-ng/download |
| 16:58.02 | Jaffa | lardman: cool :-) |
| 16:58.02 | TheAlien | or does someone know where the right one is? |
| 16:58.13 | lardman | rm_you: I've probably added a few bits, will push again after this beer :) |
| 16:58.22 | Jaffa | lardman: ah - "Delicious Library" |
| 16:58.31 | Cptnodegard | qwerty12 nice, thanks :D |
| 16:58.38 | rm_you | lol |
| 16:58.38 | lardman | Jaffa: that's the one |
| 16:58.42 | lbt | Cptnodegard: just search the wiki for rotate... |
| 16:58.50 | lbt | https://wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page |
| 16:58.54 | Jaffa | lardman: do you know where it gets the UPC -> product mapping? |
| 16:58.56 | lbt | see what you get... |
| 16:58.59 | rm_you | Cptnodegard: http://ageofikon.info/rotation_support.tar.gz |
| 16:59.04 | qwerty12 | Cptnodegard: Hehe :). Make sure you use adv-backlight instead of sb-rotate-plugin |
| 16:59.28 | rm_you | :P |
| 16:59.34 | qwerty12 | rm_you: I want my advertising fee :P |
| 16:59.36 | rm_you | :P |
| 16:59.53 | lardman | Jaffa: there are some websites such as http://www.semapedia.org/ |
| 17:00.04 | lardman | http://en.barcodepedia.com/ |
| 17:00.09 | lardman | one or the other iirc |
| 17:00.31 | lardman | also Amazon scraping, etc. |
| 17:01.27 | TheAlien | rm_you do you think the device would blow up if install the one from packages.debian.org ? |
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| 17:01.35 | rm_you | TheAlien: it will not work |
| 17:01.39 | TheAlien | ok |
| 17:01.49 | rm_you | TheAlien: you need to get someone to port it to maemo |
| 17:01.50 | TheAlien | well |
| 17:02.04 | Jaffa | lardman: cool, ta. |
| 17:02.18 | qwerty12 | isn't going through compiling aircrack-ng again :p. I had to get the cs2008 toolchain >.< |
| 17:02.22 | TheAlien | i can get aircrack-pwt to work, problem is it doesnt appear to have a capture portion. kismet is supposed to be out there for this thing too but i cant find it. any ideas? |
| 17:02.36 | TheAlien | this is os2006 btw :) |
| 17:02.52 | lardman | Jaffa: if you're interested, please join and write some backend stuff |
| 17:03.03 | lardman | Jaffa: parsing the websites, etc |
| 17:03.41 | qwerty12 | has a deb with all the aircrack-ng stuff (mulliner's one is stripped) but it contains N800 specific optimisations so it wouldn't work on 770 :/ |
| 17:03.52 | TheAlien | awrgh |
| 17:04.18 | TheAlien | and nobody can suggest anything that will work on the 770? just to capture the packets? |
| 17:04.34 | Jaffa | lardman: parsing websites is in my blood (http://www.bleb.org/tv/) - so I'll try and have a look. Should probably prioritise other things above it first, though - like the mud changes planned. |
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| 17:05.10 | lardman | Jaffa: sure, would be good to have lots of people adding their specialisms - website parsing really isn't my thing |
| 17:05.12 | TheAlien | itd be sooo good to get this going, i live in a country that has monthly transfer limits so everyone locks their networks. im not evil i just want to be able to get my mail when im out ;P |
| 17:05.14 | qwerty12 | TheAlien: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=202816&postcount=69 - There is an newer one but from what I can tell, it's os2008 only. |
| 17:05.48 | lcuk_work | lardman, has anyone attempt/ed come up with a way to draw on the surface or havent you looked yet |
| 17:06.06 | lardman | lcuk: I'm leaving that to you :) |
| 17:06.35 | lcuk | alrighty i need to do it so i can see what im detecting, is latest in svn? |
| 17:06.39 | Jaffa | lardman: what's the project URL? |
| 17:07.03 | lardman | Garage -> maemo-barcode |
| 17:07.30 | Jaffa | ta |
| 17:07.33 | rm_you | qwerty12: Cptnodegard: |
| 17:07.36 | rm_you | ~xrotation |
| 17:07.37 | infobot | it has been said that xrotation is wget http://www.ageofikon.info/rotation_support.tar.gz && tar xvzf rotation_support.tar.gz && cd Rotate && dpkg -i *.deb && wget http://www.ageofikon.info/zImage-qwerty-20080715-dsp+mmc+rotation && fiasco-flasher -f -k zImage-qwerty-20080715-dsp+mmc+rotation |
| 17:07.48 | Jaffa | lardman: Doesn't the trademark policy prohibit that name?! |
| 17:07.58 | lardman | no idea |
| 17:08.05 | lardman | maemo-mapper seems to get away with it |
| 17:08.19 | Jaffa | maemo-mapper predated the policy so has an exception. |
| 17:08.40 | lardman | well, they can serve a writ and we'll change the name, no problem :) |
| 17:08.40 | lcuk | shouldnt the naming policy be setout by the website though ;) |
| 17:08.49 | qwerty12 | rm_you: nice :D, btw, ever gonna upload it to extras somehow? You are a better (a lot better) deb packager and I don't want my vip status as an extras maintainer taken away for uploading a package that kills n00bs' tablets :P |
| 17:08.54 | Jaffa | Admittedly, the Garage folks don't seem too strict in following the TM policy (I've seen other projects created which also use the 'Maemo' prefix) |
| 17:08.55 | lcuk | ie: you cannot name your project here |
| 17:09.04 | lardman | tacit acceptance as the project name was accepted... ;) |
| 17:09.08 | rm_you | qwerty12: working on "rotation-support" metapackage |
| 17:09.09 | Jaffa | lardman: indeed :-) |
| 17:09.15 | rm_you | qwerty12: will work on that more tomorrow |
| 17:09.28 | rm_you | qwerty12: already have the xserver-xomap packages |
| 17:09.31 | qwerty12 | Cool, great |
| 17:09.34 | lcuk | anyway - it WILL be an offical package one day, so saving time now |
| 17:09.35 | rm_you | just need a couple more things |
| 17:09.51 | rm_you | i am going to make it give a dialog with "Flash the kernel and reboot?" "Yes" "No" |
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| 17:10.23 | qwerty12 | would personally prefer it if rebooting was left up to the user |
| 17:10.34 | rm_you | exactly? |
| 17:10.36 | lardman | qwerty12++ |
| 17:10.38 | rm_you | thats why we ask :P |
| 17:10.44 | lcuk | lardman, who solved the makefile problem? |
| 17:10.49 | lardman | rm_you: |
| 17:11.09 | rm_you | lardman: still no new commit? :P |
| 17:11.10 | overflok | hi all |
| 17:11.12 | lcuk | lol rm_you :P i said about the .o thing last night you told me it was wrong way |
| 17:11.15 | rm_you | is on the edge of his seat |
| 17:11.20 | rm_you | lcuk: pft |
| 17:11.23 | lcuk | :D |
| 17:11.27 | overflok | I need a info |
| 17:11.27 | rm_you | lcuk: dare you to find logs :P |
| 17:11.31 | lardman | impatience! |
| 17:11.41 | overflok | what can i use to debug symbyan dll |
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| 17:11.44 | lcuk | <rm_you> somewhat standard syntax is to instead include something like "CFILES=my.c main.c extras.c func.c" |
| 17:11.53 | lcuk | <rm_you> and then tell it to compile $(CFILES) |
| 17:11.55 | Italodance | http://www.fring.com/download/linux/ :D |
| 17:11.55 | rm_you | lcuk: lol |
| 17:12.14 | lcuk | dont dare, i have a brutal scrollback and an amazing memory for things like that |
| 17:12.23 | rm_you | hehe |
| 17:12.32 | rm_you | I was hoping you'd go to mg.pov.lt |
| 17:12.34 | lardman | rm_you: all yours |
| 17:12.41 | rm_you | it is like.... BROKEN right now for searching |
| 17:12.46 | rm_you | takes about 6 minutes for results |
| 17:12.47 | rm_you | :P |
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| 17:13.40 | qwerty12 | searches for xvid files. Start in torrent directory? |
| 17:13.56 | rm_you | lardman: woo, yes, it did find it :P |
| 17:14.08 | rm_you | qwerty12: |
| 17:14.10 | lardman | yes and no, there are some more |
| 17:14.13 | rm_you | ~testvideo |
| 17:14.13 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, testvideo is http://www.ageofikon.info/N10-Haruhi.avi |
| 17:14.13 | lardman | it runs now though |
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| 17:14.36 | qwerty12 | rm_you: thanks, a lot quicker to transfer than kidulthood :/ |
| 17:14.43 | rm_you | :P |
| 17:14.51 | rm_you | I've started to abuse infobot for factoid storage :P |
| 17:15.08 | rm_you | for example... |
| 17:15.09 | qwerty12 | ~rm_you |
| 17:15.10 | infobot | well, rm_you is the maintainer of Advanced Backlight, can be reached at aharwell (at) trinity (dot) edu, and is currently a student in San Antonio, TX. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16531 |
| 17:15.18 | qwerty12 | Modest are we? |
| 17:15.20 | qwerty12 | :P |
| 17:15.22 | rm_you | ~double-compile |
| 17:15.22 | infobot | [double-compile] http://youtube.com/watch?v=zcnDUALC_5s |
| 17:15.28 | lardman | rm_you: hang on a tick for me to push again |
| 17:15.39 | rm_you | qwerty12: lol, what? :P just facts |
| 17:15.50 | rm_you | qwerty12: email, where i live, what i do :P |
| 17:15.58 | lardman | there you go |
| 17:16.06 | qwerty12 | adds to spam list :P |
| 17:16.14 | rm_you | lol |
| 17:16.32 | lcuk | lardman, still ends in error |
| 17:16.41 | lardman | yep, but getting better :) |
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| 17:17.04 | rm_you | woo found first and last :P |
| 17:17.07 | qwerty12 | ~qwerty12 |
| 17:17.07 | infobot | it has been said that qwerty12 is the maemo pimp. I whip my N800 when it misbehaves and watchdog doesn't beat me to it. |
| 17:17.09 | rm_you | takes a while tho |
| 17:17.16 | rm_you | lol |
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| 17:18.45 | lcuk | qwerty12 is the maemo pimplyfacedyouth |
| 17:19.04 | rm_you | lol, anyway... this is looking sweet |
| 17:19.17 | qwerty12 | Rather that then still having me dodgy northerner accent :P |
| 17:19.24 | fnordianslip | has he got an etherkiller? |
| 17:19.35 | lcuk | hey, at least i got to get to leeenucks taaag |
| 17:19.49 | lardman | oi you two! |
| 17:19.59 | lcuk | sorry sir |
| 17:20.17 | lcuk | nudges qwerty12 |
| 17:20.19 | fnordianslip | i want an etherkiller |
| 17:20.24 | rm_you | lol... still hopeful for maemo summit but chances looking slim |
| 17:20.25 | qwerty12 | kicks lcuk |
| 17:20.37 | rm_you | maybe if i had signed up earlier <_< |
| 17:20.49 | lcuk | SIGN UP |
| 17:20.53 | qwerty12 | kicks lardman for jokes |
| 17:20.54 | rm_you | they skipped over my name in the list |
| 17:20.55 | lcuk | dont dillydally |
| 17:20.56 | rm_you | lcuk: i did |
| 17:21.00 | rm_you | a while ago |
| 17:21.00 | lcuk | \o/ |
| 17:21.03 | rm_you | but |
| 17:21.17 | rm_you | ... everyone BEFORE me is accepted... but so are like 10 people after me |
| 17:21.19 | rm_you | so... <_< |
| 17:21.40 | qwerty12 | rm_you: go and embarrass nokia about their retardness over providing the source to their applets |
| 17:21.41 | lardman | throws a handy board rubber at qwerty12 |
| 17:21.48 | qwerty12 | dodges |
| 17:21.54 | lardman | :p |
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| 17:22.05 | rm_you | maybe i will get rich during the first month of school and be able to afford a $1000 weekend trip to Germany :P |
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| 17:22.45 | qwerty12 | rm_you: go in someone's suitcase :P |
| 17:23.10 | rm_you | or put up a "Donate to send rm_you to Maemo Summit" button on my ITT post :P that isn't a sure way to get hated, lol |
| 17:24.47 | qwerty12 | Make the adv-backlight install file redirect to an paypal page :P |
| 17:24.48 | lcuk | nahhh, just update adv_backlight to keep making the backlight go out randomly until they feed the metre |
| 17:24.50 | lcuk | meter |
| 17:25.05 | rm_you | lol |
| 17:25.10 | lcuk | "Please insert 50p for more light" |
| 17:25.13 | lcuk | it should work |
| 17:25.18 | rm_you | rofl |
| 17:25.46 | qwerty12 | is reminded of my old electricity meter again :P |
| 17:26.19 | rm_you | oh, hey! |
| 17:26.22 | lardman | nice, it worked |
| 17:26.39 | rm_you | with n800 screen rotated 180 degrees, the dpad and other buttons ARE ON THE RIGHT SIDE FOR GAMES! PWN! |
| 17:26.43 | lardman | well it said it did, the EAN looks somewhat suspect |
| 17:26.52 | rm_you | lardman: commit, i'll verify |
| 17:27.33 | lcuk | so will i |
| 17:28.01 | rm_you | lcuk: me first! :P |
| 17:28.07 | rm_you | races to verify |
| 17:28.14 | lcuk | its fast enough for both of us now |
| 17:28.19 | rm_you | lol |
| 17:28.34 | qwerty12 | For a format to be recognised in gstreamer, is installing the libs enough or do I have to write up an xml file too? |
| 17:28.42 | rm_you | lcuk: you would win, you compile on-device |
| 17:28.50 | lardman | rm_you, lcuk: done |
| 17:29.13 | lcuk | tsk maemo-barcode.c:428: error: syntax error before '==' token |
| 17:29.44 | lcuk | how does this get through your compiler? |
| 17:29.52 | lardman | really? |
| 17:29.59 | lcuk | well thats what its telling me |
| 17:30.12 | lardman | hmm, no error here |
| 17:30.19 | lcuk | it had 2 errors for rev23, and 1 for this latest 24 |
| 17:30.21 | rm_you | compiles here |
| 17:30.25 | lcuk | make clean and try again? |
| 17:30.29 | rm_you | revert? |
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| 17:30.32 | lardman | I have no == near that line either |
| 17:30.57 | lardman | yeah, EAN is not good |
| 17:31.15 | lardman | Success !!!!!!!!!!!!, EAN = |
| 17:31.15 | lardman | -133033333333108502220814 |
| 17:31.20 | lardman | hmm ;) |
| 17:31.29 | lcuk | you have lines like this: |
| 17:31.29 | lcuk | <<<<<<< .mine |
| 17:31.29 | lcuk | ======= |
| 17:32.01 | lardman | what are you asking? |
| 17:32.18 | lcuk | those are in maemo-barcode.c |
| 17:32.23 | lardman | no |
| 17:32.24 | lcuk | not commented out |
| 17:32.43 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:32.43 | lcuk | >>>>>>> .r22 |
| 17:32.50 | lcuk | hmmm |
| 17:33.01 | lardman | no, not in my file, is that some SVN thing? |
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| 17:33.45 | lardman | I need to check the logic for the code recognition, I converted it to integer only, this is probably causing problems |
| 17:33.56 | lcuk | :S gonna clean it out - theres a load of half files |
| 17:34.03 | rm_you | wow |
| 17:34.09 | rm_you | so i apparently lack any kind of ean |
| 17:34.13 | rm_you | gonna print one ;P |
| 17:34.34 | lardman | rm_you: I had to wobble the barcode around until it got one |
| 17:36.50 | lcuk | lardman, what happens if the scanning is mirrored - does it matter to the logic? |
| 17:37.05 | lardman | lcuk: that will break it |
| 17:37.07 | lardman | Ithink |
| 17:37.09 | lardman | hmm |
| 17:37.23 | rm_you | hmm |
| 17:37.25 | lcuk | it should work but fail the signing check thing |
| 17:37.27 | lardman | need to check the spec actually, I seem to remember that the two sides are mirrored anyway |
| 17:37.31 | rm_you | -1333-13333333108505497614 |
| 17:37.33 | rm_you | yeah... |
| 17:37.52 | rm_you | http://www.adams1.com/pub/russadam/gif/upcpix.jpg |
| 17:37.54 | lcuk | i think the camera gives a mirror image is why |
| 17:38.02 | lardman | oh, ok |
| 17:38.16 | lcuk | the numbers read mirrored, you are working on inverted dataset |
| 17:38.47 | lardman | might be... |
| 17:38.49 | lcuk | ie if you are coding it and forcing it to work you might find mirroring the image will fix the problem rather than a codebug |
| 17:39.31 | lardman | not, it's not inverted, though my logic for reading a line may be suspect if someone wants to take a look |
| 17:39.36 | lcuk | i didnt notice last night because guardbars are invariant |
| 17:39.39 | rm_you | is this for EAN-13? |
| 17:39.44 | lardman | yes |
| 17:39.59 | lardman | the leading int is the length |
| 17:40.00 | Tu13es | what repo is xterm in? |
| 17:40.02 | lardman | I can remove that |
| 17:40.04 | lcuk | it is inverted: as in if you hold up something with writing it is backwards |
| 17:40.16 | lcuk | pixel 0 top left is actually the top right of the image |
| 17:40.23 | lardman | actually the leading int isn't output anyway |
| 17:40.37 | lardman | ah, ok |
| 17:40.49 | lcuk | let me see if i can cure that for you simply :) |
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| 17:41.03 | rm_you | lcuk: mine isnt |
| 17:41.13 | rm_you | lcuk: i hold up something with writing, i can read it |
| 17:41.16 | lcuk | you are using n800 forwards facing camera |
| 17:41.21 | rm_you | yes |
| 17:41.25 | lardman | I'm using N810 |
| 17:41.32 | lcuk | backwards facing camera |
| 17:41.45 | rm_you | >_< |
| 17:41.53 | lcuk | hmmm then - needs to handle both? |
| 17:42.07 | lardman | yes, that needs to be done |
| 17:42.16 | lcuk | it shouldnt matter lardman, once you find your array you can pass it into the check function twice? |
| 17:42.21 | lcuk | once forwards and once backwards? |
| 17:42.25 | lardman | or decode on way then the other and see if it works? |
| 17:42.31 | lardman | lcuk: yes |
| 17:42.36 | lcuk | :) |
| 17:42.47 | rm_you | lardman: or use this |
| 17:42.49 | lcuk | the more chances you give yourself to come out with something valid the better |
| 17:43.08 | lcuk | ill find out how/where to write to the screen |
| 17:43.10 | lcuk | back in a bit |
| 17:43.41 | rm_you | lardman: http://slexy.org/view/s2CKdOo65m |
| 17:44.14 | lcuk | rm_you, it doesnt matter - YOU can use the camera backwards |
| 17:44.19 | lcuk | on your 800 |
| 17:44.24 | rm_you | i can? |
| 17:44.30 | lcuk | rotate it towards you |
| 17:44.41 | lcuk | ? |
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| 17:45.07 | lcuk | we have to show the barcode to the screen - not hold the 810 in front of it |
| 17:45.32 | rm_you | lcuk: even if it is facing me |
| 17:45.34 | rm_you | i can read text |
| 17:45.44 | lardman | there's a file in the sysfs which says which way the camera is pointing |
| 17:45.57 | madhav | lcuk: Hi |
| 17:46.06 | lcuk | hi madman |
| 17:46.14 | lcuk | :P |
| 17:46.22 | madhav | :) madman..? |
| 17:46.26 | lcuk | :D |
| 17:46.35 | rm_you | lol |
| 17:46.56 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk loves you really :p |
| 17:46.57 | lcuk | lardman, just send it through twice then its usable for multiple devices without worrying - if at a later date you come to port it you wont have to wrry? |
| 17:46.59 | madhav | lcuk: u got the source for this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUPp_mE7rwI |
| 17:47.07 | rm_you | lcuk: even if it is facing me, the text is normal readable |
| 17:47.10 | lardman | lcuk: ack |
| 17:47.17 | lcuk | madhav, i do |
| 17:47.17 | rm_you | lcuk: it doesnt change no matter what i do |
| 17:47.37 | lcuk | rm_you, it might be in the device driver for the camera then? |
| 17:47.43 | madhav | lcuk: can i get it? |
| 17:47.43 | rm_you | lcuk: maybe |
| 17:47.52 | rm_you | madhav: it is in garage isn't it? |
| 17:47.57 | rm_you | lcuk: isn't it? |
| 17:48.08 | lcuk | madhav, have you tried the binary |
| 17:48.12 | madhav | im not sure.. |
| 17:48.13 | lcuk | yes |
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| 17:48.39 | madhav | where in garaage.. got the link? |
| 17:48.43 | lcuk | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/liqbase/ |
| 17:49.00 | lcuk | theres no installer for it but its buildable on a standard system |
| 17:49.12 | madhav | lcuk: np, tk |
| 17:49.16 | RST38bis | moo,gentlemen |
| 17:49.26 | lcuk | madhav, :) whats interested you about it |
| 17:49.43 | qwerty12_N800 | ello RST38bis |
| 17:49.51 | madhav | lcuk: drawing |
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| 17:50.11 | RST38bis | what's cooking? |
| 17:50.13 | madhav | lcuk: especially the pen stroke |
| 17:50.26 | lcuk | good :) the youtube video doesnt do the sketch part justice - i was in powersave mode and it lagged |
| 17:50.48 | lcuk | its MUCH better on actual fullspeed performance and keeps up with stylus |
| 17:51.34 | rm_you | lcuk: i wish I knew enough to implement PDF reading <_< |
| 17:51.34 | lcuk | has done more with it since but not uploaded |
| 17:51.57 | lcuk | rm_you, :) i put image loading in now - i have cat pictures scrolling around |
| 17:52.03 | rm_you | lol |
| 17:52.22 | rm_you | well, could do PDF -> jpeg for the time being |
| 17:52.28 | rm_you | dynamically |
| 17:52.34 | rm_you | as a proof of concept for reading pdfs |
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| 17:52.39 | lcuk | yes, its possible as we said |
| 17:53.03 | RST38bis | i suggest dooing it right. |
| 17:53.08 | lcuk | im having a nice long weekend on it after playing with barcode |
| 17:53.24 | rm_you | yeah, it is nice to take a break from your main project, eh? :P |
| 17:53.41 | lcuk | RST38bis, i agree entirely - time is against me though. i dont really wanna port the pdf scanner ive got and dont want to learn someone elses api right now |
| 17:53.44 | lcuk | time... |
| 17:54.05 | lcuk | rm_you, time and needing to see a little bit about gtk and the camera |
| 17:54.14 | RST38bis | oh |
| 17:54.57 | lcuk | ive got goals for the summit (camera is one of them..) and if i sidetrack too far i will annoy myself |
| 17:55.12 | rm_you | camera in liqbase? :P |
| 17:55.27 | lcuk | well its a damned good source of live YUV image data :) |
| 17:55.32 | rm_you | :P |
| 17:55.56 | lcuk | and when i say "Hello, who are you" i want you to write your name and get a snapshot for logging in |
| 17:56.15 | rm_you | lol |
| 17:56.31 | lcuk | has lots of ideas for using everything |
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| 17:57.02 | lcuk | the mic is another one. crashanddie is looking at that i think and im looking forward to seeing/hearing the results |
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| 17:57.49 | lcuk | anyway, sidetracking |
| 17:58.05 | lcuk | madhav, hope the code isnt too bad for you to understand |
| 17:58.20 | RST38bis | sonyeric slashes 2000 jobs |
| 17:58.42 | RST38bis | poor uiq...we hardly kneew you... |
| 17:58.55 | vmlinuz | I loaded 2008HE on my 770 and I left it on all day, then the batery started to get low, when I connected the power adaptor the screen went off and no indicator of batery being charged whatsoever |
| 17:59.15 | vmlinuz | now I try to boot the 770 and it shows the nokia logo, then shuts down again |
| 17:59.39 | vmlinuz | I removed the batery last night and just plugged in and connected the AC, no batery charge icon |
| 17:59.39 | qwerty12_N800 | "Three Chinese reporters attending a police briefing on the success of an anti-gun campaign were accidentally shot." |
| 17:59.48 | rm_you | lardman: OH, EAN is a superset of UPC :) ok then, i guess i do have tons sitting around |
| 17:59.55 | lcuk | lardman, does the makefile produce lots and lots of errors? |
| 17:59.58 | Atarii | rm_you back |
| 18:00.03 | Atarii | want me to try 13-7? |
| 18:00.05 | rm_you | Atarii: yes |
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| 18:01.47 | vmlinuz | does anyone have any suggestions for my problem? I tried all the suggestion regarding removing battery, key strokes, leaving charging overnight... but no results |
| 18:02.24 | GAN800 | Make sure th charger is actually working? :/ |
| 18:02.41 | rm_you | GAN is back! :P |
| 18:02.59 | Atarii | lies, it's just his thoughts manifesting onto IRC again |
| 18:03.15 | GAN800 | Anybody else have horrible icon scaling on fiferboy's applets? |
| 18:03.28 | vmlinuz | GAN800, I'll take it to the lab and test it with a multimeter |
| 18:03.28 | Atarii | i did yes |
| 18:03.34 | Atarii | all apart from the smallest icon size |
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| 18:04.09 | lardman | lcuk: not sure about that |
| 18:04.16 | lardman | lcuk: some linker errors? |
| 18:04.20 | lardman | ask rm_you ;) |
| 18:04.25 | lcuk | lol yer |
| 18:04.36 | lardman | Right, I've added in another check, so now the code should not crash |
| 18:04.59 | Atarii | rm_you: first thing I notice about 13-7 is a weird graphics bug, just rebooting to make sure it is still replicable |
| 18:04.59 | lardman | I'm a bit concerned that we seem to get out lots of 3s in the partial EAN |
| 18:05.27 | rm_you | heh, LOTS of 3s :P |
| 18:05.39 | rm_you | lcuk: there are lots of linker WARNINGS |
| 18:05.45 | rm_you | shouldn't matter AFAIK |
| 18:05.46 | lardman | I've just pushed my current code |
| 18:05.55 | lcuk | it just gets in the way cos they scroll off the page |
| 18:05.57 | lardman | I think what I need to do is look at the maths |
| 18:06.20 | rm_you | i don't know how we'd fix those, you can look into it :P |
| 18:06.31 | lardman | my conversion from fp->integer is probably suspect; would be lucky if it worked first time anwyay |
| 18:06.40 | lcuk | ok, will bring over the makefile formatting from liqbase and get it all compiling with it |
| 18:07.16 | lardman | lcuk: are you going to join? Then you can push some updates, and create a branch to test with your hill/valley code too |
| 18:07.19 | rm_you | lcuk: is prolly just a simple flag... compare CFLAGS and the command lines to see what is missing |
| 18:08.03 | rm_you | Atarii: > |
| 18:08.06 | rm_you | Atarii: ? |
| 18:08.16 | Atarii | rm_you: 13-7 does nothing for the brightness, and the volume has a gfx bug on the numbers value |
| 18:08.29 | rm_you | ??? |
| 18:08.35 | Atarii | even with a restart and permissions set manually :s |
| 18:09.14 | rm_you | describe the graphics bug |
| 18:09.53 | lcuk | lardman :) sure lemme do this and ill do whats needed |
| 18:10.02 | Atarii | upon first opening the dialog, it will display the number '50' but the slider will be fully to the right |
| 18:10.03 | lcuk | how do we do branching, or will command line param do |
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| 18:10.26 | lardman | lcuk: just add a branches dir and copy the source in there, then add it |
| 18:10.37 | rm_you | Atarii: oh, yes I see that right here |
| 18:10.38 | lardman | actually |
| 18:10.41 | Atarii | also, if you go to the far left on the volume slider, and slowly move the slider right, the right-edge of the numbers is cut off |
| 18:10.50 | GAN800 | Why does Modest thing the esc key should go go windowed mode before it closes an email window? We already HAVE a button for windowed mode! |
| 18:10.57 | lardman | better to just add a different source file and modify the makefile to make some target |
| 18:11.16 | lcuk | i dunno how to do that |
| 18:11.25 | lcuk | i normally just add a menu item |
| 18:11.29 | rm_you | Atarii: THAT i am not seeing |
| 18:12.03 | Atarii | right, im downgrading and confirming the last "fully" working build |
| 18:12.07 | lardman | lcuk: just rename the source file, "svn add" it |
| 18:13.20 | lardman | s/rename/copy to different name |
| 18:13.25 | rm_you | Atarii: did the 13-7 fix permissions on reboot correctly? |
| 18:13.34 | lardman | time to cook |
| 18:13.41 | lcuk | ok, ive fixed the makefile btw |
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| 18:14.37 | lcuk | rm_you, will you test this http://slexy.org/view/s20nCclSjT |
| 18:14.55 | jobu | anyone get pyqt to work on maemo/nokia n8x0? |
| 18:14.58 | Atarii | whats the best way to check permissions? |
| 18:15.19 | madhav | lcuk: which wiget programming lang u used..? |
| 18:15.39 | lcuk | widgets? as in user controls? |
| 18:15.40 | GAN800 | You know, #630 makes me wonder how long we sat with some bugs just never even being looked at. . . . |
| 18:15.42 | rm_you | works |
| 18:15.50 | lcuk | and its cleaner rm_you |
| 18:15.52 | rm_you | still tons of warnings with Simon's stuff :P |
| 18:15.56 | lcuk | if you have access to svn push it |
| 18:16.01 | rm_you | do not. |
| 18:16.04 | lcuk | yes - this will make it easier to see |
| 18:16.11 | lcuk | ahhh right, ill do it in a bit then |
| 18:16.17 | lcuk | lardman, the makefile works |
| 18:16.24 | lcuk | and is simpler to add new items to |
| 18:16.26 | madhav | lcuk: wigets/buttons.. |
| 18:16.35 | rm_you | ah |
| 18:16.38 | rm_you | was just missing an LD line |
| 18:16.48 | lcuk | homemade madhav - i started the entire liqbase from a blank canvas |
| 18:17.30 | lcuk | the menus are technically just custom areas on the screen - a widget set is being created for handling all that kind of stuff though (its what all the graffiti is hosted in |
| 18:17.38 | lcuk | im gonna let the user design their own interface btw :) |
| 18:17.39 | madhav | lcuk: great! |
| 18:18.16 | rm_you | lardman|cooking: more segfault |
| 18:18.37 | derf | rm_you: Pong. |
| 18:18.43 | rm_you | derf: ping |
| 18:18.47 | derf | rm_you: Pong. |
| 18:18.50 | rm_you | derf: ping |
| 18:19.37 | rm_you | derf: http://sourceforge.net/projects/barcode2d <--- QR decoder in Objective C |
| 18:19.51 | rm_you | GPL3 |
| 18:19.54 | derf | Whoa, sweet. |
| 18:19.55 | RST38bis | objc. umgh. |
| 18:20.02 | derf | RST38bis: It's not Java, at least. |
| 18:20.05 | rm_you | better to port from than JAVA prolly |
| 18:20.24 | rm_you | derf: i was gonna take a crack at porting that |
| 18:20.27 | derf | rm_you: Does it have the same bugs in the R-S and BCH error correction? |
| 18:20.27 | rm_you | if you want to as well |
| 18:20.34 | rm_you | derf: dunno |
| 18:20.46 | madhav | lcuk: i wrote a paint program in gtk , there im do stoke with pen(touchscreen), im not getting all the events on motion event..wondering how u are able to get it working pretty good.. |
| 18:20.59 | madhav | doing* |
| 18:21.00 | fnordianslip | doesn't gcc support obj-c ? |
| 18:21.02 | rm_you | derf: just read through a little of it, not sure how I would tell what bugs it has without just stumbling on a bug report <_< I dont know QR codes |
| 18:21.09 | snowmoon-work | Oh, yeah, WTF hildon... changing from hildon.NamePasswordDialog in v3 to hildon.LoginDialog in v4 hat do the same things! ( had to get that off my chest ) |
| 18:21.16 | derf | I don't either, but I know Galois Field theory. |
| 18:21.19 | lcuk | low level coding and not wasting time going through hundreds of layers to actually get the data and use it quickly enough :) |
| 18:21.25 | rm_you | derf: lol |
| 18:21.28 | lcuk | its just an x window |
| 18:21.36 | lcuk | and the events come to me |
| 18:21.51 | snowmoon-work | feels better |
| 18:21.57 | lcuk | it uses the pressure sensitive x extension |
| 18:22.12 | Atarii | rm_you: is it "ls -s" to check permissions? |
| 18:22.24 | rm_you | ls -l |
| 18:22.27 | rm_you | hrm... |
| 18:22.29 | rm_you | ~Galois |
| 18:22.29 | infobot | rumour has it, galois is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galois_theory |
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| 18:22.37 | madhav | lcuk: that means in my case X---GTK events are lost...right? |
| 18:22.40 | rm_you | interesting... |
| 18:22.46 | Atarii | -rw-rw-rw- |
| 18:22.51 | rm_you | Atarii: it worked! yay |
| 18:22.59 | rm_you | though now the problem is the program itself |
| 18:23.09 | rm_you | Atarii: and you verified that 13-1 worked? |
| 18:23.11 | Atarii | im now purging to check the last working one |
| 18:23.14 | rm_you | k |
| 18:23.21 | lcuk | i wouldnt know - i dont know how gtk does it, BUT i would image underneath there is an x11 window. attach the pressure sensitive handler to it and listen for its events |
| 18:23.35 | lcuk | i would imagine ^ |
| 18:23.51 | Atarii | if GAN800 says 13-1 and it now doesn't, i'm guessing i didn't purge when installing it, and just upgraded :( |
| 18:24.09 | rm_you | he didnt say that |
| 18:24.11 | rm_you | YOU said it |
| 18:24.15 | rm_you | so |
| 18:24.18 | rm_you | if it doesnt work |
| 18:24.20 | rm_you | then go back more |
| 18:24.23 | rm_you | and find when it does |
| 18:24.26 | Atarii | indeed |
| 18:24.32 | rm_you | does 13-1 not? |
| 18:24.53 | Atarii | its installing |
| 18:24.59 | Atarii | sorry for being a noob tester |
| 18:25.06 | Atarii | i should be better, its my job :S |
| 18:25.11 | rm_you | lol np you are actually good :P |
| 18:25.22 | GAN800 | rm_you, it can't be that hard to change that value. :P Pick a dummy value or something on your N800 you can test with so we don't have to keep poking at this. . . . |
| 18:26.02 | rm_you | GAN800: I don't know why it fails on 770, i need to find out which revision introduced the bug, so i can figure out what the bug IS |
| 18:26.06 | rm_you | and fix it :P |
| 18:26.42 | GAN800 | It's _never_ worked for me |
| 18:26.49 | rm_you | GAN800: it worked for Atarii at some point |
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| 18:27.04 | rm_you | i swear it worked for you too briefly, though you had to modify permissions |
| 18:27.12 | GAN800 | No. |
| 18:27.22 | GAN800 | It never worked for me. |
| 18:27.26 | Atarii | im guessing it working from not purging, therefore using old configs or something |
| 18:27.33 | Atarii | it doesn't work now |
| 18:27.38 | rm_you | ok go back further |
| 18:27.41 | rm_you | 12-something |
| 18:27.49 | Atarii | 12-6 now installing |
| 18:27.49 | GAN800 | Pick a thing to change on your N800 and get the code sorted. <_< |
| 18:27.58 | rm_you | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/a/advanced-backlight/advanced-backlight_0.12-6_armel.deb |
| 18:27.59 | rm_you | GAN800: !? |
| 18:28.04 | madhav | lcuk: pressure sensitive? http://man.chinaunix.net/develop/GTK+/tutorial/x2928.html#AEN2933 this was the example which i tried GTK Scribble... |
| 18:28.04 | derf | I'd never read Objective C before, but now I can see why you said "ugh". |
| 18:28.08 | rm_you | GAN800: I dont know what you are talking about |
| 18:28.24 | derf | [synBytes setValue: sum at: j]; <-- This is in no way C. |
| 18:28.56 | lcuk | madhav, yes press harder on the tablet and the line is brighter, go lightly and its less so |
| 18:28.57 | rm_you | does gcc compile objective C tho? |
| 18:29.00 | derf | In C we say synBytes[j]=sum; |
| 18:29.01 | rm_you | people keep suggesting it does |
| 18:29.05 | derf | rm_you: Yes, I'm pretty sure it does. |
| 18:29.10 | rm_you | then... |
| 18:29.14 | rm_you | we don't have a problem? |
| 18:29.14 | lcuk | madhav, does that draw onto a gtk_drawing_area_new |
| 18:29.19 | GAN800 | Pick a value or file on your N800 that'd be analagous to the 770's brightness and have the slider change that so we don't have to keep testing things that _don't do anything_. |
| 18:29.22 | derf | However, I've never seen it with a .m extension before. |
| 18:29.24 | madhav | yes.. |
| 18:29.31 | derf | rm_you: Yeah, you could probably just use it. |
| 18:29.37 | derf | I see they fixed at least one R-S bug. |
| 18:29.38 | lcuk | cool, thanks |
| 18:29.43 | lcuk | for side project |
| 18:29.43 | rm_you | GAN800: the problem is i dont know what those numbers are supposed to DO |
| 18:29.49 | rm_you | GAN800: they are very weird |
| 18:29.57 | madhav | lcuk: why did u ask that..? |
| 18:30.05 | rm_you | GAN800: and it could be a math problem, which i would never notice |
| 18:30.07 | GAN800 | fanoush's blset script should tell all. |
| 18:30.17 | rm_you | GAN800: yes but it is very odd <_< |
| 18:30.19 | rm_you | and quirky |
| 18:30.23 | Atarii | GAN800 do you have a 770 and both a n800 and n810? |
| 18:30.24 | lcuk | cos i need to draw lines onto one - ive never used gtk before |
| 18:30.29 | GAN800 | pm him for clarification. |
| 18:30.37 | GAN800 | No N810 |
| 18:30.46 | rm_you | Atarii: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/a/advanced-backlight/advanced-backlight_0.12-6_armel.deb |
| 18:30.47 | GAN800 | N810s suck. |
| 18:30.52 | rm_you | ignore GA for now |
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| 18:30.55 | Atarii | lol |
| 18:30.56 | rm_you | :P |
| 18:31.15 | Atarii | 12-6 nope, onto 12-4 |
| 18:31.17 | Atarii | man this sucks |
| 18:31.24 | Atarii | i swear most of these worked at some point |
| 18:31.28 | rm_you | hrm |
| 18:31.32 | rm_you | check permissions again? |
| 18:31.39 | Atarii | yea i have been |
| 18:31.44 | Atarii | even manually setting |
| 18:31.48 | rm_you | hrm |
| 18:31.58 | madhav | lcuk: u are trying out that nw..? |
| 18:32.05 | Atarii | im pretty sure 12-4 definately worked though, so fingers crossed.... |
| 18:32.16 | Atarii | GAN800 which was last version to work for you? |
| 18:32.21 | derf | Awesome, this guy copied over verbatim qrcode's use of arrays of 0's and 1's instead of just using a single binary integer. |
| 18:32.31 | lardman|cooking | rm_you: can you see where the segfault might have occurred? |
| 18:32.39 | rm_you | lardman|cooking: hrm |
| 18:32.43 | lardman|cooking | hi derf |
| 18:32.44 | GAN800 | No version has EVER worked for me. |
| 18:32.49 | Atarii | oh |
| 18:32.53 | lardman|cooking | derf: looking at the *.m code? |
| 18:32.58 | derf | lardman|cooking: Yeah. |
| 18:33.11 | GAN800 | They've either crashed hildon-desktop or done nothing. |
| 18:33.17 | Atarii | have you tried setting the value of /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level manually? |
| 18:33.28 | lcuk | madhav, no, i just needed the syntax for drawing to the screen and this shows it |
| 18:33.28 | GAN800 | Yes, that works fine. |
| 18:33.30 | rm_you | lardman|cooking: latest floating point: http://slexy.org/view/s20npbzJtu |
| 18:33.38 | lardman|cooking | rm_you: cool |
| 18:33.49 | derf | lardman|cooking: The BCH stuff is I think severely broken. |
| 18:34.00 | lardman|cooking | BCH? |
| 18:34.01 | derf | The R-S only minorly so. |
| 18:34.04 | rm_you | lardman|cooking: latest segfault http://slexy.org/view/s2kgalGQ49 |
| 18:34.08 | lardman|cooking | rm_you: factor=0 is the problem |
| 18:34.12 | derf | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BCH_code |
| 18:34.23 | lardman|cooking | :) thanks |
| 18:34.31 | lcuk | lardman|cooking, this works and cleanses your make process http://slexy.org/view/s20nCclSjT |
| 18:34.39 | lcuk | it helps let you see the errors better |
| 18:34.47 | lcuk | me and rm have tested |
| 18:34.59 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.12 | rm_you | Atarii: so no versions working now? |
| 18:35.21 | Atarii | no :s |
| 18:35.21 | rm_you | *sigh* i will do as GA says for a bit |
| 18:35.33 | lardman|cooking | rm_you: my mistake, in the code lines 366 & 420 should be <=0 not <0 |
| 18:35.44 | rm_you | lardman|cooking: :) fixed now, that is good :P |
| 18:36.19 | lardman|cooking | has anyone tried to join who I should add? |
| 18:36.30 | lardman|cooking | s/who/whom |
| 18:37.02 | rm_you | I may join |
| 18:37.43 | lardman|cooking | go on then |
| 18:37.47 | rm_you | there, put in a request just for kicks... may start on the QR stuff |
| 18:37.48 | lardman|cooking | lcuk, derf? |
| 18:37.51 | rm_you | unless derf is doing it |
| 18:37.56 | rm_you | or else I can help him |
| 18:38.00 | rm_you | though we may not need to port it |
| 18:38.10 | rm_you | if I can get it to compile and take input from your camera stuff. |
| 18:38.11 | lardman|cooking | there's always datamatrix stuff if you want |
| 18:38.20 | lardman|cooking | not porting, but getting the lib to work |
| 18:38.45 | rm_you | k |
| 18:38.52 | lardman|cooking | Are you Adam? |
| 18:39.21 | rm_you | yes |
| 18:39.34 | lardman|cooking | done |
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| 18:40.38 | lardman|cooking | rm_you: I've not pushed that correction (> -> >=) so go for it if you want to |
| 18:41.09 | rm_you | lol no |
| 18:41.09 | lardman|cooking | s/>/< |
| 18:41.13 | rm_you | it's your code, you prolly already changed, yes? |
| 18:41.34 | lardman|cooking | pushed now then :p |
| 18:42.01 | derf | rm_you: Feel free to go ahead with the Objective C stuff. |
| 18:42.05 | rm_you | dek |
| 18:42.07 | rm_you | derf: k |
| 18:42.27 | derf | I'll worry about fixing the bugs in it once you get it up and running. |
| 18:42.38 | rm_you | heh k |
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| 18:43.03 | derf | I may wind up rewriting the whole thing anyway so we can use something more sophisticated than Niblack binarization, etc. |
| 18:43.12 | rm_you | hrm |
| 18:43.18 | rm_you | i can fix that array -> int issue |
| 18:43.22 | derf | And, you know, not allocate a bikkion arrays all over the place. |
| 18:43.26 | derf | rm_you: I already did. |
| 18:43.30 | rm_you | ah ok |
| 18:43.31 | derf | But in C. |
| 18:43.34 | rm_you | did you put it to the repo? |
| 18:43.38 | derf | What repo? |
| 18:43.39 | rm_you | err |
| 18:43.41 | rm_you | svn |
| 18:43.43 | lcuk | arghhhh |
| 18:43.47 | derf | What svn? |
| 18:43.48 | rm_you | sorry, busy updating extras :P |
| 18:43.59 | rm_you | derf: ? the maemo-barcode svn |
| 18:44.08 | rm_you | you fixed it... where? :P |
| 18:44.09 | derf | I haven't put anything in there, no. |
| 18:44.19 | derf | In some directory on my laptop. |
| 18:44.22 | rm_you | lol |
| 18:44.26 | rm_you | less than helpful :) |
| 18:44.44 | lcuk | madhav, are you still about, and could you please tell me whats missing in the middle of : screen = gtk_drawing_area_new(); ............. gdk_draw_line(screen, screen->style->white_gc, x, linenum, x+ww, linenum); |
| 18:44.46 | derf | Well, there's a few more bugs in it still. |
| 18:44.52 | derf | But at least it should be much faster now. |
| 18:45.35 | rm_you | derf: k, well, you may as well push the version you have to SVN so i dont start working on outdated code <_< |
| 18:45.35 | lcuk | currently, it moans: gdk_draw_line: assertion `GDK_IS_DRAWABLE (drawable)' failed |
| 18:45.35 | madhav | lcuk: can u pastebin |
| 18:45.35 | lcuk | yes, those are the 2 lines: create a drawing area, draw to it |
| 18:45.36 | lcuk | what am i missing? |
| 18:45.36 | derf | rm_you: I mean, it's just some C routines, with a different API, that are in no way used by the Java code or the Objective C stuff. |
| 18:45.42 | rm_you | ah ok |
| 18:45.53 | derf | But I had to start somewhere. |
| 18:45.55 | rm_you | and shouldnt impact my ability to get the code to compile? |
| 18:45.59 | derf | No. |
| 18:46.01 | rm_you | k |
| 18:46.10 | derf | I'll figure out how to fold those fixes in to whatever you get working later. |
| 18:46.25 | lcuk | madhav, they are done at totally seperate ends of the program in different files so pastebin is a bit impractical. that is the boiled down version :) |
| 18:46.29 | derf | OR, I'll rewrite the whole library. One of those two. |
| 18:46.35 | madhav | lcuk: http://man.chinaunix.net/develop/GTK+/tutorial/x2928.html#AEN2933 look at it, i guess u need a gdk_draw_drawable on expose event |
| 18:46.54 | lcuk | ahhh, so i dont draw to the drawing_area, i draw to the drawable |
| 18:47.10 | lardman|cooking | We can poke Jaffa to do some web scraping |
| 18:47.14 | lcuk | thanks, ill go and allocate one :) |
| 18:47.21 | rm_you | lol k |
| 18:47.32 | madhav | lcuk: ok |
| 18:48.20 | lcuk | oh crap, does it not directly update either? |
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| 18:48.34 | lcuk | gaaa @ not having raw planar access ;) |
| 18:51.56 | rm_you | derf: you using http://www.libdmtx.org/ ? |
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| 18:53.52 | madhav | lcuk: it wont update..:) directly |
| 18:54.03 | lcuk | it is doing |
| 18:54.07 | Atarii | aagh this sucks |
| 18:54.08 | lcuk | but i cant clear between it |
| 18:54.12 | Atarii | can't find ANY that work now |
| 18:54.14 | lcuk | only needed one minor change |
| 18:54.28 | vmlinuz | GAN800, you were right :) the cable was ripped off just a little but before the connector |
| 18:54.30 | rm_you | lardman|cooking / lcuk / derf: I am checking in both libdtmtx (datamatrix) and barecode2d (QR) to the repo for initial work |
| 18:54.35 | lcuk | .... GdkDrawable *drawable = screen->window; gdk_draw_line(drawable, .... |
| 18:54.54 | lcuk | ok rm_you im playing with drawing onto the screen the recognised secionts |
| 18:54.55 | rm_you | derf: you should sign up for the garage project so you can work |
| 18:55.04 | lcuk | makes life easier to know what it thinks is a barcode |
| 18:55.04 | rm_you | lcuk: lol ok :) cool |
| 18:55.06 | rm_you | yeah |
| 18:55.09 | rm_you | very much so |
| 18:55.12 | rm_you | i am always wondering :P |
| 18:55.35 | lcuk | yer it clarifies if its finging fingers (as i can successfully do) or barcodes |
| 18:55.51 | lcuk | the guard bars need equal sized repeating light/dark :) |
| 18:55.59 | lcuk | splaying my fingers makes it fullfill this |
| 18:56.15 | rm_you | libdtmtrx is cool cause it is already a C Libary design for exactly this :P |
| 18:56.27 | GAN800 | plays the MicroB focus game again. |
| 18:56.43 | lcuk | madhav, is there a gdk_draw_clear() type function |
| 18:57.00 | madhav | for invalidating? |
| 18:57.09 | lcuk | yes that will do |
| 18:57.28 | lcuk | i can draw but i cant clear it |
| 18:57.35 | rm_you | waits for SVN access to propagate :P |
| 18:57.51 | madhav | lcuk: http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/stable/GtkWidget.html#gtk-widget-queue-clear-area |
| 18:58.32 | lcuk | thanks |
| 18:59.02 | lcuk | gtk_widget_queue_draw_area ()gtk_widget_queue_draw_area () |
| 18:59.13 | lcuk | hmmm double buffered irc lines |
| 18:59.23 | derf | rm_you: I thought libdmtx was a different barcode format (e.g., not QR codes). |
| 18:59.34 | rm_you | derf: yes, datamatrix |
| 18:59.43 | rm_you | i think i said that :P |
| 18:59.54 | rm_you | ah in a different place |
| 19:00.05 | rm_you | anyways, cause i thought you said also something about datamatrix |
| 19:00.13 | rm_you | that you had looked at some code for them |
| 19:00.19 | derf | No, I hadn't. |
| 19:01.57 | derf | Anyway, join request sent. |
| 19:02.41 | rm_you | GAN800: i changed it to write to a file i can see... it is writing the value correctly... |
| 19:02.46 | rm_you | Atarii: can you just do: |
| 19:03.03 | rm_you | echo 17792 > /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level |
| 19:03.36 | rm_you | then, echo 2688 > /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level |
| 19:03.42 | rm_you | and see if it changes it |
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| 19:06.08 | Atarii | nope |
| 19:06.11 | Atarii | no changes |
| 19:06.29 | rm_you | ... |
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| 19:06.39 | rm_you | did you perchance flash a kernel recently? |
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| 19:06.59 | rm_you | like, to try to get rotation support working? |
| 19:07.00 | Atarii | o fucking bollocks |
| 19:07.01 | rm_you | LOL |
| 19:07.04 | rm_you | :P |
| 19:07.09 | Atarii | BANG BANG BANG |
| 19:07.11 | rm_you | I'm not insane! woo! :P |
| 19:07.11 | lardman | derf: not sure if you got that, it is different |
| 19:07.14 | Atarii | head on desk..... |
| 19:07.33 | rm_you | GAN800: you SURE you're running fanoush's kernel? |
| 19:07.38 | lardman | rm_you: not sure you need to check the whole lib in... I've not looked yet |
| 19:07.38 | Atarii | and this is why rm_you needs a 770..... |
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| 19:08.07 | rm_you | lardman: ah, well, i haven't looked either, but i am now as I wait for SVN permissions, will see what all we need |
| 19:08.36 | rm_you | lardman: it has the whole build tree there for it... I guess we just need headers, and to package it up nicely separately |
| 19:09.22 | lardman | I think it should pacakge up on its own - extras... ;) |
| 19:09.40 | rm_you | yeah |
| 19:09.43 | rm_you | thats what i meant |
| 19:09.44 | lardman | all we need is to add in a file to maemo-barcode which will interface with that code |
| 19:09.57 | GAN800 | Yes, I'm running fanoush's kernel. |
| 19:10.04 | rm_you | GAN800: hrm k... |
| 19:10.09 | rm_you | can you do those two echos |
| 19:10.15 | GAN800 | unless it decided to flash itself all on its own. |
| 19:10.31 | mgeee | wow, xchat screen updates are incredibly slow on an asus eee pc |
| 19:10.48 | mgeee | blames intel + compiz + EXA |
| 19:11.16 | rm_you | lol compiz |
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| 19:11.36 | rm_you | Atarii: you going to flash the kernel? |
| 19:12.04 | Atarii | yes |
| 19:12.09 | Atarii | now booting linux |
| 19:12.22 | rm_you | k |
| 19:12.27 | ShadowJK | you know, xchat screen updates on my Sempron3100+ nvidia 7600gt are about as fast as on N810... |
| 19:13.49 | lardman | rm_you: btw, you should have SVN permissions |
| 19:13.52 | rm_you | yeah |
| 19:14.00 | rm_you | i have to wait for the cron scripts to update |
| 19:14.12 | rm_you | I will go ahead and start packaging libdtmtrx for extras |
| 19:14.13 | lardman | ah, ok |
| 19:14.19 | lardman | cool :) |
| 19:14.29 | GAN800 | 120 works. |
| 19:14.43 | GAN800 | I don't know where you're getting your numbers. |
| 19:14.45 | ShadowJK | I think xchat has remained just as slow as when I first used it on a P133. It seems that GTK keeps even pace with hardware improvements, to retain its slowness ;p |
| 19:14.48 | rm_you | GAN800: !? |
| 19:14.52 | lardman | there is another datamatrix implantation, spun off from libdmtx, called libdatamatrix iirc |
| 19:14.56 | rm_you | echo 17792 > /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level |
| 19:15.04 | rm_you | that number is straight from fanoush' blset script |
| 19:15.18 | rm_you | value * 256 + 128 |
| 19:15.32 | GAN800 | Sets it to somewhere in the 40-70 range |
| 19:15.50 | RST38h | ShadowJK: how about profiling it? |
| 19:16.01 | GAN800 | 1-127 work fine. . . . |
| 19:16.02 | rm_you | GAN800: that DOES set it... |
| 19:16.07 | rm_you | GAN800: they shouldn't |
| 19:16.12 | RST38h | ShadowJK: you can run non-intrusive Intel profiling tool, IPTU |
| 19:16.15 | rm_you | GAN800: did you look at fanoush' BLSET? |
| 19:16.30 | ShadowJK | RST38h, at a guess I would start by blaming pango ;p |
| 19:16.52 | ShadowJK | Supposedly xchat is faster on intel than nvidia gpu |
| 19:16.54 | rm_you | hm |
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| 19:17.05 | ShadowJK | I think pango gets more loving from intel than nvidia... |
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| 19:17.09 | GAN800 | That's your job. |
| 19:17.16 | GAN800 | Anyway, echoing works fine. |
| 19:17.18 | lardman_ | ~lart my internet connection |
| 19:17.18 | infobot | whacks my internet connection upside the head |
| 19:17.19 | rm_you | value=hwlevel * 256 + swlevel + 128 |
| 19:17.25 | rm_you | I have no idea what that means |
| 19:18.36 | GAN800 | blset sets the value for the current Nokia applet slider brightness. |
| 19:18.50 | GAN800 | swlevel is 1-9 |
| 19:20.12 | lcuk | ShadowJK, ive got xhcat here and im on a 6100 or 6150 or something and its not sluggish - most likely its linux driver thats the problem for you |
| 19:20.43 | ShadowJK | That's why it's faster on intel, they've got decent-ish drivers |
| 19:20.54 | lcuk | are you using the nvidia blob? |
| 19:21.04 | lcuk | or the OSS driver |
| 19:21.19 | ShadowJK | blob |
| 19:21.43 | lcuk | dunno then - you could try it in a compositing manager and see if it helps |
| 19:21.44 | ShadowJK | nouveau (oss), nv (oss) and nvidia (blob) seem equal in speed for this case |
| 19:22.11 | ShadowJK | iirc it didn't change speed at all :) |
| 19:22.25 | Grackle | Whaaat |
| 19:22.46 | Grackle | xchat is "faster" with a certain graphics card? Are you running 15 year old hardware? |
| 19:22.48 | RST38h | ShadowJK: XChat isn't doing anything special so it should not be slow, pango or not |
| 19:22.59 | lcuk | Grackle, thats my thoughts |
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| 19:23.10 | lcuk | hence drivers underneath being a problem |
| 19:23.13 | RST38h | ShadowJK: So I suspect there is some really bad bottleneck there |
| 19:23.29 | Grackle | lcuk, I concur. |
| 19:23.44 | Stskeeps | ShadowJK: is it sasha taking up too much memory causing the box to swap? :( |
| 19:23.58 | ShadowJK | It's a "known" problem with nvidia, their forums is full of people complaining of abysmal 2D performance |
| 19:24.17 | ShadowJK | Stskeeps, sasha runs on a dedicated server ;) |
| 19:24.18 | Grackle | ShadowJK, on what cards? |
| 19:24.20 | zap | What's the official name for the ESC key on n810? |
| 19:24.47 | ShadowJK | Grackle, I've seen most complaints about the 8800, but that might just be because people who buy it have the highest expectations or something |
| 19:24.49 | lcuk | Mr Esc. Ape |
| 19:25.00 | zap | :) |
| 19:25.07 | lcuk | isnt it esc |
| 19:25.11 | Grackle | ShadowJK, my 8800 definitely does not suffer from slow 2D performance. |
| 19:25.23 | Grackle | I have an 8800GTS in my desktop. |
| 19:25.24 | zap | I remember they call it somehow on the page about flashing |
| 19:25.30 | zap | or it was the app switch button |
| 19:25.39 | lcuk | flashing is home key |
| 19:25.43 | Grackle | 2, actually, but I've turned off SLI in linux so I can use multiple monitors. |
| 19:25.44 | RST38h | Sorry, folks, I highly doubts XChat problems are related to vidoe drivers |
| 19:25.58 | RST38h | XChat is using standard GTK widgets and it is not doing anything special at all |
| 19:26.09 | ShadowJK | btw, this problem only began when I upgraded to Fedora 9. It was fast and nice in Fedora 7 that has older X, older gtk, older pango, etc :P |
| 19:26.16 | RST38h | So the problem is either in GTK or in the way XChat works |
| 19:26.19 | GAN800 | zap, 'Back' |
| 19:26.25 | Grackle | RST38h, indeed. ShadowJK, do you notice the problems in other gtk apps? |
| 19:26.25 | zap | GAN800: thanks! |
| 19:26.28 | ShadowJK | Actually I thought xchat didn't use standard GTK widgets ;p |
| 19:26.30 | GAN800 | Swap/Home is a different button. |
| 19:26.31 | lcuk | ShadowJK, to confirm: is it only xchat that has a problem or entire system is sluggish (ie when grabbing and wiggling nearly fullsize windows |
| 19:26.54 | ShadowJK | Grackle, all the gtkperf figures that involve text are pretty poor in comparison even to some integrated graphics |
| 19:26.56 | lcuk | yes i knw home is different, thats what you get asked to press when flashing |
| 19:27.32 | ShadowJK | lcuk, konsole, gnome-terminal, xfce's Terminal are also annoyingly slow |
| 19:27.54 | ShadowJK | slashdot has an fps of about 1.5 :-) |
| 19:27.57 | GAN800 | lcuk, wasn't talking to you. :P |
| 19:28.30 | lcuk | and you say it works nicely on the intel graphics card |
| 19:28.34 | lcuk | same computer? |
| 19:29.13 | lcuk | ~gtk |
| 19:29.14 | infobot | now there's a purty toolkit or fugly in the worst way |
| 19:29.24 | rm_you | libdmtx is in -devel |
| 19:29.29 | lcuk | ~lart missing lart |
| 19:29.29 | infobot | executes killall -HUP missing lart |
| 19:30.09 | ShadowJK | lcuk, mind, it's only recently that the nvidia drivers (nv, nvidia, nouveau) stopped corrupting text randomly in xchat and konsole :) |
| 19:30.18 | rm_you | that was surprisingly easy |
| 19:31.12 | ShadowJK | http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=46897ba6d82a3b6f309d5197d013ab1f&t=115916 |
| 19:31.15 | Grackle | ShadowJK, again, did you test the other cards in the same computer? |
| 19:32.07 | ShadowJK | I haven't tested the integrated in same computer... |
| 19:32.20 | ShadowJK | Although older distro + older drivers were good |
| 19:32.34 | ShadowJK | and older distro + older drivers + FX5500 was good |
| 19:32.43 | ShadowJK | and older distro + older drivers + sis integrated graphics was good |
| 19:33.12 | Grackle | That article claims the 169 drivers are faulty, but I do not have any problems. |
| 19:33.21 | Grackle | s/article/post |
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| 19:35.47 | Grackle | ShadowJK, what temps is your card running at? |
| 19:35.52 | Grackle | Is the 3D performance okay? |
| 19:36.01 | Grackle | temp* |
| 19:36.03 | ShadowJK | ya, 3D is fine, card at 55C |
| 19:36.32 | ShadowJK | what version X and gtk though? kde4? |
| 19:37.18 | ShadowJK | I think the thing is that newer distros use more render and other accelerations, and nvidia in the past only bothered to implement or make decent drivers for the functions that people actually used at that time, and now they're lagging behind |
| 19:38.10 | Grackle | I have an up to date Ubuntu system. I'd have to check versions. |
| 19:38.42 | Luria | hey |
| 19:39.01 | ShadowJK | Check for example this guy found something that gives him 100fps on intel, but takes 1 second on nvidia :P http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=46897ba6d82a3b6f309d5197d013ab1f&t=116444 |
| 19:39.39 | Grackle | xorg 7.3 with ubuntu patches |
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| 19:40.07 | Grackle | libgtk+ 2.0.9.2 |
| 19:41.02 | ShadowJK | 1.4.99 |
| 19:41.44 | ShadowJK | gtk2 2.12.11 |
| 19:42.05 | madha2 | lcuk: got it working..on gtk? |
| 19:42.21 | RST38h | ShadowJK: JAVA. |
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| 19:42.27 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Should I say more? |
| 19:42.53 | lcuk | no, every method i found to clear the screen cleared the background image as well - i can draw over the camera image but i cant clear the lines ive drawn even though the camera image is fully refreshed |
| 19:43.08 | ShadowJK | Well if intel can accelerate a pig like java 100x they must be doing something right ;-) |
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| 19:44.23 | GNUton | Hi there |
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| 19:44.57 | JamieBennett | GNUton: hi |
| 19:45.22 | rm_you | lardman|away: hey |
| 19:45.24 | rm_you | lcuk: hey |
| 19:45.32 | GNUton | Hey JamieBennett! |
| 19:45.40 | lcuk | yer |
| 19:45.41 | lardman_ | rm_you: yey |
| 19:45.47 | lardman_ | hey even |
| 19:45.56 | rm_you | lardman_: / lcuk: there is a file test_datamatrix.c |
| 19:46.02 | rm_you | if you can make it take data from the camera |
| 19:46.06 | rm_you | it should just... WORK |
| 19:46.17 | rm_you | it just needs it in some pixmap format or something i think |
| 19:46.20 | rm_you | i'm not sure |
| 19:46.29 | rm_you | svn up and look at test_datamatrix.c |
| 19:46.37 | rm_you | the dmtx libraries are in -devel |
| 19:47.03 | rm_you | just promoted them to extras |
| 19:47.39 | rm_you | can remove the first two parts |
| 19:47.46 | rm_you | but I left em in so you could see what it was taking |
| 19:47.58 | lcuk | rm_you, that encodes a matrix from a teststring? |
| 19:48.00 | rm_you | looks REALLY simple, it does everything, finding, decoding... |
| 19:48.05 | rm_you | lcuk: the first part |
| 19:48.10 | rm_you | lcuk: that is just so there is some test datas |
| 19:48.18 | rm_you | lcuk: part 3 is the decoding |
| 19:48.19 | lcuk | yes |
| 19:48.47 | lardman | that's probably what I tacked on the end of maemo-barcode.c |
| 19:49.15 | rm_you | lardman: so you think you could fairly quickly get it working for datamatrix? :P |
| 19:49.46 | lardman | I added it in with the plan of doing so, but please go for it :) |
| 19:49.51 | rm_you | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/libd/libdmtx/ |
| 19:49.54 | madha2 | lcuk: i guess u have to use http://library.gnome.org/devel/gdk/stable/gdk-Input-Devices.html#gdk-device-set-source and set the source to GDK_SOURCE_ERASER and clear the rectangle drawn.. |
| 19:49.55 | rm_you | ok |
| 19:49.57 | rm_you | I will try |
| 19:50.26 | lcuk | madha2, bleugh |
| 19:51.15 | madha2 | me madhav |
| 19:51.27 | lcuk | sounds messy - i might just forget the 2 streams and see if i can just get it making images. i will then blit the image onto gtk surface myself and then draw ontop |
| 19:51.57 | Luria | sigh... back to hope |
| 19:51.59 | madha2 | lcuk: what r u trying to do..? |
| 19:51.59 | lcuk | it is only a problem because its drawing the camera gstreamer data onto some backbuffer |
| 19:52.56 | lcuk | setup a default gtk window and a gstreamer chain which automatically draws camera data on the screen. i am then in a different event scanning the data and need to draw where i have identified things |
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| 19:53.22 | lcuk | i can draw - its great. but i cant clear those lines ive drawn |
| 19:56.22 | RST38h | lcuk: could you quickly tar and send me current liqbase source? |
| 19:56.33 | lcuk | no, get it from svn |
| 19:56.47 | lcuk | its not stable over here, theres lots of work in progress |
| 19:57.44 | RST38h | I have no svn installed |
| 19:58.01 | rm_you | lardman: any idea how to put a pixmap in their structure? |
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| 19:58.32 | RST38h | on the other hand, I have got tortoise... |
| 19:58.37 | rm_you | lardman: this is how they copy it from one of their own structures to another: memcpy(image->pxl, encode.image->pxl, image->width * image->height * sizeof(DmtxRgb)); |
| 19:58.44 | madha2 | lcuk: http://library.gnome.org/devel/gdk/stable/gdk-Windows.html#gdk-window-clear clears the window content to background color.. |
| 19:59.08 | RST38h | for allocating an rgb buffer, should I look at mplayer or SDL? |
| 19:59.17 | lcuk | yes madha2 i found that and tried it :) it just draws a rectangle over the top of the data (or thats the effect) |
| 19:59.46 | lardman | rm_you: no idea, sorry |
| 19:59.47 | lcuk | sdl will be more compliant and has functions for rendering to it for additional ui |
| 19:59.50 | rm_you | >_> |
| 20:02.01 | madha2 | lcuk: im able to clear manually by setting input source to GDK_SOURCE_ERASER and specifying a gdk rectangle area to clear http://library.gnome.org/devel/gdk/stable/gdk-Input-Devices.html#gdk-device-set-source |
| 20:02.36 | lcuk | but thats a device and not the drawable isnt it? |
| 20:02.44 | madha2 | yes.. |
| 20:03.03 | lcuk | and if i set the source wont that stop me getting the image data from gstreamer? |
| 20:03.14 | lcuk | ill try it though |
| 20:04.24 | RST38h | lcuk: appears to go through plain x11 functions though |
| 20:05.01 | lcuk | it uses mmap to alloc a plane if oyu look closely enough and has its own inbuilt fast drawing tools |
| 20:05.49 | rm_you | lardman: http://libdmtx.wiki.sourceforge.net/Data+Structures |
| 20:06.07 | rm_you | can you look at DmtxImage and tell me what you think |
| 20:06.10 | RST38h | lcuk: I have no use for drawing into that buffer |
| 20:06.18 | rm_you | it says something about the pay pixels are set up... |
| 20:06.24 | RST38h | lcuk: just need to display it on the physical screen as quickly as possible |
| 20:06.32 | rm_you | am I going to have to convert the pixmap into that format? |
| 20:08.13 | lardman | rm_you: there ought to be an easy way to get the data in |
| 20:08.22 | rm_you | lardman: you would think... so close :/ |
| 20:08.27 | lardman | :) |
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| 20:10.05 | lardman | it can't be too easy or everyone would do it ;) |
| 20:10.10 | rm_you | lol truth |
| 20:10.17 | rm_you | time to figure out export modes of pixmaps |
| 20:11.00 | RST38h | fuck, this mplayer source tree is HUGE |
| 20:12.21 | lardman | yeah, lots of revs/braches |
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| 20:21.07 | lbt | https://wiki.maemo.org/Scratchbox_C++ |
| 20:21.11 | lbt | FYI |
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| 20:26.48 | GeneralAntilles | Ha, Eero's post about battery life killers was on bugzilla, not -developers. <_< |
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| 20:33.42 | rm_you | lardman: you certain your pixbuf code works? |
| 20:33.53 | rm_you | maemo-barcode[1750]: GLIB CRITICAL ** GdkPixbuf - gdk_pixbuf_new_from_data: assertion `bits_per_sample == 8' failed |
| 20:34.01 | rm_you | is that my issue or with the creation of the pixbuf? |
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| 20:38.56 | GeneralAntilles | lbt, it may or may not be useful to <nowiki> those links.. |
| 20:41.55 | lbt | good point - a bit of a blind spot on my part there... |
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| 20:42.05 | smyows | helo o/ |
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| 20:42.26 | Luria | hmmm |
| 20:42.29 | smyows | i build one program on sdk and want to build deb package |
| 20:42.35 | Luria | need a new ac adapter |
| 20:42.39 | smyows | how to do |
| 20:42.47 | lbt | smyows: it's not easy... |
| 20:42.57 | lbt | have you seen the maemopad application? |
| 20:43.11 | smyows | for terminal |
| 20:43.13 | smyows | minicom |
| 20:43.13 | lbt | they provide a complete wrapper. |
| 20:43.24 | lbt | The principal is very similar. |
| 20:43.33 | smyows | hmm |
| 20:43.36 | lbt | You just set different dependenices |
| 20:43.40 | lbt | or, if you likem |
| 20:43.41 | smyows | okay |
| 20:43.42 | lbt | like |
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| 20:43.53 | lbt | you could download my shopper application |
| 20:43.56 | smyows | no dependencies |
| 20:44.01 | smyows | :D |
| 20:44.05 | lbt | which has a bare minimum build |
| 20:44.10 | lbt | and I know how it works |
| 20:44.16 | smyows | ok |
| 20:44.21 | lbt | it uses autoconf though |
| 20:44.30 | lbt | (as does maemopad) |
| 20:44.37 | smyows | i have compiled minicom on sdk for arm |
| 20:44.48 | smyows | and make install DESTDIR= ..... |
| 20:44.53 | lbt | but I type: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -d -b |
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| 20:44.57 | lbt | and get a deb |
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| 20:45.09 | smyows | i want to build a deb package on this tree |
| 20:45.20 | lbt | should ask why? |
| 20:45.26 | lbt | do you want to learn to package |
| 20:45.34 | lbt | or do you just want a minicom deb? |
| 20:45.45 | smyows | one minicom.deb :) |
| 20:46.02 | lbt | probably easier to go to your host system |
| 20:46.09 | lbt | and type apt-get source minicom |
| 20:46.16 | lbt | then copy that to the sdk |
| 20:46.18 | lbt | then do |
| 20:46.23 | lbt | debian/rules binary |
| 20:46.30 | lbt | and you probably will get a deb |
| 20:46.31 | smyows | hmm |
| 20:46.35 | lbt | I did that for ddd |
| 20:46.39 | lbt | and it just worked |
| 20:46.46 | smyows | my distro is not debian :/ |
| 20:46.57 | lbt | ah - there's your first problem ;) |
| 20:47.18 | Atarii | rm_you: the bad news is ive wasted FAR too long installing kernels/advanced-backlight etc. The good news is that 13-7 works! |
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| 20:47.27 | lbt | tum-te-tum |
| 20:47.40 | smyows | uhauha |
| 20:47.43 | lbt | ( apt-get source minicom ) |
| 20:48.28 | lbt | (debian/rules binary) |
| 20:48.40 | smyows | [sbox-DIABLO_ARMEL: ~/temp] > apt-get source minicom |
| 20:48.47 | lbt | nah - needs some minor work |
| 20:48.50 | smyows | E: Unable to find a source package for minicom |
| 20:48.56 | lbt | configure: WARNING: Cache variable ac_cv_build contains a newline. |
| 20:49.13 | lbt | yes - that's because the maemo/nokia repos don't have it |
| 20:49.15 | Medic119 | quick question for the CLI folks out there. the apt-get update always seems to pull "red pill" packages even when in "blue pill" mode via app manager. I am assuming that is normal? |
| 20:49.49 | qwerty12_N800 | yes. application manager does not regulate apt-get's settings |
| 20:50.26 | qwerty12_N800 | smyows, http://www.electronicproductonline.com/catalog/supportFiles/minicom_2.3rc1-2_armel.deb |
| 20:50.55 | Medic119 | Thats what I figured. Thanks. I play around with stuff too much and wanted to be sure I hadn't borked something |
| 20:53.09 | Medic119 | Anyone wanna take on port Evolution..lol I am tired of the lackluster PIM offerings |
| 20:53.12 | smyows | if i compile one program on sbox and zip it, and i unzip on the n8x0 works? |
| 20:53.20 | smyows | qwerty12_N800, xD |
| 20:53.41 | qwerty12_N800 | smyows, yes, just make sure to chmod +x :) |
| 20:53.53 | Atarii | rm_you if you read this steps i took are: flash fanoush kernel, install 13-7, reboot, works! |
| 20:53.57 | qwerty12_N800 | (tar.gz is better) |
| 20:54.07 | smyows | o> |
| 20:54.28 | smyows | if exist deb package i'll use it! :) |
| 20:54.33 | smyows | thanks a lot |
| 20:56.22 | rm_you | Atarii: ! |
| 20:56.24 | rm_you | ha! |
| 20:56.29 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: eat that, bizzatch! :P |
| 20:56.44 | GeneralAntilles | shrugs. |
| 20:56.56 | rm_you | can you try again GA? |
| 20:57.01 | rm_you | check your kernel |
| 20:57.04 | rm_you | wait |
| 20:57.05 | rm_you | you did... |
| 20:57.07 | rm_you | hrm |
| 20:57.11 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, you'll be happy to hear I'm taking kitchen appliance measurements and notes with liqbase. :D |
| 20:57.12 | rm_you | do a --purge and try again |
| 20:57.21 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: whenever you have time |
| 20:57.34 | lcuk | :D heh |
| 20:58.01 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, that actually makes me happier than you think |
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| 20:58.28 | GeneralAntilles | Be nice if the graffiti wall had sets, etc, etc, etc, but it works. ;) |
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| 20:58.38 | rm_you | lcuk: could you take a sec and see if you know how to put gdk_pixbuf data into one of these dmtxImages? |
| 20:58.52 | rm_you | lcuk: http://libdmtx.wiki.sourceforge.net/Data+Structures |
| 20:59.29 | rm_you | lcuk: it has a DmtxRgb array (being arrays of size 3, prolly RGB) |
| 20:59.42 | qwerty12_N800 | needs to reinstall liqbase but i cannot be arsed to unzip, set perms etc. /me waits for the deb... |
| 20:59.52 | rm_you | lcuk: and it says bits are backed RGBRGBRGB 24bpp pattern... |
| 21:00.19 | lcuk | what happens if the compass is null? |
| 21:00.21 | rm_you | bah i will just do pixel/pixel |
| 21:00.29 | rm_you | NO idea what the compass even IS |
| 21:02.19 | lcuk | DmtxImage dtmx_lard; dtmx_lard.pagecount=1; dtmx_lard.width=320; dtmx_lard.height=240; dtmx_lard.pxl = malloc(320*240*sizeof(DmtxRgb)); dtmx_lard.compass=NULL; then fill in RGB data(is it a color barcode format?) then pass address of this into the function |
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| 21:02.38 | lcuk | remember to free the pxl afterwards |
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| 21:03.14 | rm_you | lcuk: err |
| 21:03.18 | rm_you | lcuk: take a look at svn |
| 21:03.25 | lcuk | dtmx_lard.pxl[ y * 320 + x ] [0] = redpixelatxy; dtmx_lard.pxl[ y * 320 + x ] [1] = greenpixelatxy; dtmx_lard.pxl[ y * 320 + x ] [2] = bluepixelatxy; |
| 21:03.38 | lcuk | you would rather it was formatted wouldnt you |
| 21:04.32 | lcuk | from the glance that is how i would expect to fill it in anyway, reformat it, lay each stmt out on seperate lines, make sure caps are right and see if it looks like a proper init to you |
| 21:04.39 | smyows | i run minicom but he says: No termcap entry for xterm |
| 21:05.03 | qwerty12_N800 | apt-get install ncurses-base |
| 21:05.18 | qwerty12_N800 | iirc |
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| 21:06.50 | rm_you | lcuk: hrm |
| 21:07.06 | lcuk | whats the decode function called |
| 21:07.07 | rm_you | lcuk: just checked in the datamatrix code... can run make datamatrix |
| 21:07.11 | lcuk | im sortin it for you |
| 21:07.42 | lcuk | well you showed me a structure and svn wasnt working so i filled the structure in |
| 21:07.51 | rm_you | theres a new file |
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| 21:07.55 | rm_you | maemo-datamatrix.c |
| 21:08.17 | rm_you | apologize for horrible indentation |
| 21:08.23 | rm_you | i didnt ever bother to fix it |
| 21:09.17 | lcuk | so if the code is already there why did you ask me how to put data into it? |
| 21:09.28 | rm_you | cause i don't know how to put the pixbuf data into it >_> |
| 21:09.35 | rm_you | i've never worked with pixmaps |
| 21:09.42 | rm_you | thought you might know something about how they work |
| 21:09.48 | lcuk | you dont have a pixbuf, you have a greyscale char array[y*x] |
| 21:10.25 | rm_you | pixbuf = gdk_pixbuf_new_from_data(...) not a pixbuf? >_> |
| 21:10.49 | lcuk | yes, but why when above there you have "static unsigned char buffer[320*240];" which jott wrote code to initialize last night |
| 21:11.23 | rm_you | err lardman recommended pixmap :P |
| 21:11.33 | rm_you | but i think i may have given him bad initial information |
| 21:11.36 | lcuk | or you could use the interleaved YUV buffer (called data[]) in that function |
| 21:12.05 | rm_you | imaging is not what I am good at >_> |
| 21:12.13 | lcuk | the jott quick test code has been commented out but it worked well and i wrote a scanner for it last night to identify arbitary guardbars |
| 21:12.23 | rm_you | I once tried to write a png encoder... which was cool and all, but I dont really understand imaging <_< |
| 21:12.55 | rm_you | I just need to figure out how to shove the image data into their little proprietary structure thing, and then we're golder |
| 21:12.57 | rm_you | *golden |
| 21:12.58 | lcuk | i dont understanda gstreamer, im currently trying to strip out the whole GTK automatic display portion of the stream |
| 21:13.05 | rm_you | heh |
| 21:13.16 | lcuk | but when i do its not popping the event saying image ready |
| 21:13.32 | rm_you | :/ |
| 21:13.41 | rm_you | ok I will give this another shot |
| 21:13.53 | rm_you | maybe I should sleep first, been up for about 22 hours again |
| 21:14.03 | rm_you | third day in a row |
| 21:16.50 | lcuk | http://slexy.org/view/s21v4d1ZL4 |
| 21:17.50 | lcuk | put that into static gboolean analyse_image(unsigned char *data, AppData *appdata) its not working cos i wrote it in notepad, but thats how i would expect to use it and init it |
| 21:21.27 | jott | hey folks |
| 21:22.55 | lcuk | hi jott |
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| 21:25.00 | jott | how is the barcode progressing? ;) |
| 21:25.21 | lcuk | seems quite productive actually, lots of new stuff has gone in |
| 21:26.07 | lcuk | i started to draw to the screen to indicate where i found guardbars |
| 21:26.20 | lcuk | but have encountered a bit of a prob removing the lines i draw |
| 21:26.29 | lcuk | so im just seeing if theres an alt way |
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| 21:33.43 | lardman | rm_you: no, I just copied in the main fns from the various test programs |
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| 21:33.49 | lardman | no idea if they will work or not |
| 21:33.52 | lardman | sorry |
| 21:33.56 | rm_you | heh k sec |
| 21:34.07 | lardman | sorry for the lag |
| 21:34.33 | rm_you | hrm |
| 21:34.44 | lardman | the thing we will probably need to do it work out what type of barcode it is, and quickly |
| 21:35.15 | lardman | 1D can be done in real-time, not sure about 2D, though if we drop the framerate to 5fps then it might be better |
| 21:35.23 | lardman | and still fast enough to see what's going on |
| 21:36.55 | jott | camera limits to 8fps so we probably could just skip frames |
| 21:36.58 | RST38bis | don't you only need 1fps for barcodes?:) |
| 21:37.16 | lardman | jott: as minimum? |
| 21:37.21 | jott | lardman: yes |
| 21:37.22 | lardman | RST38bis: yeah |
| 21:37.32 | lardman | jott: what are we running at atm |
| 21:37.33 | lardman | ? |
| 21:37.45 | jott | 8.. |
| 21:37.45 | lardman | oh, ok |
| 21:37.53 | lardman | well make sure the 2D code is quick then ;) |
| 21:37.58 | jott | when it's set lower then it complains ;) |
| 21:39.36 | rm_you | jott: look at the svn i am just checking in |
| 21:40.00 | rm_you | r29 |
| 21:40.11 | rm_you | i KNOW a bunch of stuff is broken |
| 21:40.12 | rm_you | but |
| 21:40.29 | rm_you | it crashes right after 479... which is where i would expect |
| 21:40.35 | rm_you | maemo-datamatrix.c |
| 21:41.43 | rm_you | I think I get what he is doing... but there is virtually no documentation for libdmtx >_> |
| 21:42.02 | jott | what's datamatrix vs barcode? |
| 21:42.07 | rm_you | 2d |
| 21:42.18 | jott | ah ok just stupid c&p :P |
| 21:42.23 | rm_you | yeah :P |
| 21:42.35 | rm_you | libdmtx is in extras now |
| 21:42.40 | rm_you | libdmtx0 |
| 21:42.42 | rm_you | and -dev |
| 21:42.47 | jott | has it to be rgb? |
| 21:42.54 | rm_you | this is the only info i have: |
| 21:43.10 | rm_you | http://libdmtx.wiki.sourceforge.net/Data+Structures |
| 21:43.31 | guenther | Anyone experienced with the internal GPS receiver (diablo, a-gps) versus a decent, but not-so-pricey external receiver? |
| 21:43.52 | guenther | It seems the a-gps update really makes a difference. |
| 21:44.20 | guenther | I'm wondering though, how much more I can expect using an external receiver. |
| 21:44.40 | guenther | ponders fixing some OpenStreetMap's :) |
| 21:46.52 | RST38bis | guenther: external still locks faster |
| 21:47.32 | RST38bis | tested with gpslim240 from holux |
| 21:47.48 | fnordianslip | i've got a holux m1200 to use with my N800. It is great. |
| 21:48.12 | guenther | RST38bis: most likely, yes ;) |
| 21:48.32 | guenther | I'm mostly wondering about the accuracy. |
| 21:48.53 | RST38bis | about the same |
| 21:49.05 | guenther | In particular in the urban jungle -- not standing on top of a hill. |
| 21:49.59 | guenther | RST38bis: You mean the position accuracy is about the same with an external receiver? |
| 21:50.16 | guenther | Is the tiny internal one really that good? |
| 21:50.32 | guenther | Or rather... Do external ones suck just the same? ;) |
| 21:51.10 | RST38bis | no idea but it is the same |
| 21:51.34 | fnordianslip | they wander about a bit, probly about 10m spherical error |
| 21:51.55 | guenther | yes, exactly |
| 21:52.17 | guenther | pretty much what I found while doing some testing out there :) |
| 21:53.09 | guenther | Actually sometimes it was surprisingly accurate. But then it jumped straight into the house 10m away... |
| 21:53.39 | RST38bis | maemomapper does not swallow this error unfortunately |
| 21:53.47 | rm_you | jott: any thoughts? |
| 21:54.10 | lardman | I've noticed that, but they it doesn't know where roads, etc., are to try to stick to them |
| 21:54.24 | lbt | any other suggestions for an external BT GPS for the N800? |
| 21:54.33 | lardman | otherwise you just get damped movement, which is annoying - too laggy |
| 21:54.38 | fnordianslip | RST38bis: perhaps some form of DGPS might work |
| 21:54.53 | RST38bis | you can do it without sticking to roads |
| 21:55.10 | RST38bis | it won't |
| 21:55.26 | RST38bis | 'cause it needs infrastructure |
| 21:55.36 | lardman | what do you do then? |
| 21:55.47 | lardman | use "inertia"? |
| 21:55.51 | fnordianslip | how about a distributed differential GPS with stationary users multicasting correction data to nearby moving ones |
| 21:56.10 | lardman | fnordianslip: i.e. DGPS |
| 21:56.19 | fnordianslip | no. D-DGPS |
| 21:56.26 | lardman | :) |
| 21:56.30 | lardman | big processing task |
| 21:56.54 | RST38bis | lardman: yes. compute from the last 3-5 readings |
| 21:57.07 | fnordianslip | yeah. post processing was always easier |
| 21:57.27 | guenther | So... An external receiver would not be worth it? |
| 21:58.00 | lardman | they are good as they have good battery life & can be stashed somewhere exposed |
| 21:58.16 | lardman | then connected to when needed |
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| 21:58.24 | guenther | nods |
| 21:58.25 | rm_you | jott: eh? :P |
| 22:03.24 | jott | rm_you: sorry not looked at it yet |
| 22:06.09 | Atarii | rm_you! |
| 22:06.31 | rm_you | :P |
| 22:06.35 | rm_you | Atarii: :P |
| 22:06.38 | Atarii | indeed |
| 22:06.58 | Atarii | so 13-7 works woo |
| 22:07.12 | Atarii | and im a noob tester booo |
| 22:08.44 | rm_you | lol |
| 22:09.13 | Atarii | although the graphical bug remains |
| 22:09.59 | GeneralAntilles | guenther, everything about a good external GPS (MTK or SiRF IIIc) is better than the internal. |
| 22:10.15 | Atarii | GeneralAntilles does 13-7 work for you? |
| 22:10.23 | GeneralAntilles | Haven't tried it yet |
| 22:10.26 | GeneralAntilles | Just got back from dinner |
| 22:10.47 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: 0.14-1 |
| 22:10.48 | GeneralAntilles | lbt, I like the i-Blues a lot |
| 22:10.56 | guenther | GeneralAntilles: Any real life experience? :) |
| 22:11.01 | GeneralAntilles | Anything MTK-based is good these days. |
| 22:11.01 | Atarii | 14-1??!??!? |
| 22:11.05 | Atarii | whats changed? |
| 22:11.06 | rm_you | Atarii: :P |
| 22:11.10 | rm_you | updating changelog now |
| 22:11.12 | guenther | heya General, btw ;) |
| 22:11.22 | GeneralAntilles | Hi. :) |
| 22:11.24 | Atarii | changelog is for non-lazy people |
| 22:11.28 | GeneralAntilles | usuk for being gone for so long. :P |
| 22:11.44 | guenther | yeah... |
| 22:11.46 | GeneralAntilles | guenther, lots of GPS experience with just about everything except the N810. |
| 22:11.55 | guenther | GUADEC, plus a few days of recreation needed ;) |
| 22:12.08 | GeneralAntilles | But, seriously, the N810's internal is about the cheapest chipset imaginable. |
| 22:12.31 | guenther | yeah... |
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| 22:13.02 | GeneralAntilles | EVERYTHING is better than it. ;) |
| 22:13.23 | lardman | ...sextant |
| 22:13.25 | guenther | I'm pondering an external one -- preferably rather small. Good accuracy is the main concern, though. |
| 22:13.33 | guenther | lardman: haha :) |
| 22:13.48 | guenther | Go create a map using that device. ;) |
| 22:14.00 | lardman | and a ship full of limes |
| 22:14.10 | GeneralAntilles | i-Blue 747 might be a good choice. |
| 22:14.19 | rm_you | everyone test the -devel 0.14 advanced backlight so i can push it to extras TODAY! |
| 22:14.20 | GeneralAntilles | It has internal point storage |
| 22:14.29 | GeneralAntilles | so you can generate a track without having to involve the tablet. |
| 22:14.44 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 22:14.44 | Atarii770 | win |
| 22:14.50 | rm_you | waits for it to show up in devel |
| 22:15.25 | GeneralAntilles | Let's see, hildon-desktop is dead, I've got an infobanner that's just showing a blue i-circle and xterm can't decide if it wants to be windowed or maximized |
| 22:15.26 | GeneralAntilles | fun. |
| 22:15.27 | rm_you | jott: it hurts because it is so close to actually decoding datamatrix, i just know it :P |
| 22:15.40 | rm_you | jott: but i am way too tired at this point to think clearly |
| 22:15.46 | RST38bis | Voters to decide on naming sewage plant for Bush |
| 22:15.56 | RST38bis | hell, yes! |
| 22:16.35 | lbt | ta - I was just ebaying and found the holux 1200 at about £30 - the i-Blue 747 is about £40 |
| 22:16.49 | GeneralAntilles | lbt, i-Blue is better. |
| 22:16.49 | Atarii770 | how long till it is in devel? |
| 22:17.22 | rm_you | soon |
| 22:17.27 | lbt | wth.... |
| 22:17.28 | rm_you | prolly 5 min or less |
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| 22:18.00 | guenther | GeneralAntilles: btw, what's that "c" in "SiRF IIIc"? A typo? |
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| 22:18.44 | RST38bis | c is a chipset modification |
| 22:18.55 | RST38bis | and it is no mtk. |
| 22:18.58 | GeneralAntilles | guenther, lower consumption |
| 22:19.01 | guenther | sighs |
| 22:19.08 | GeneralAntilles | I would just go with MTK. ;0 |
| 22:19.13 | GeneralAntilles | s/0/)/ |
| 22:19.13 | guenther | I have been googling for these today... |
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| 22:19.26 | guenther | Never seen a the "c" variant mentioned though... |
| 22:19.33 | RST38bis | suspicious about mtk |
| 22:19.43 | GeneralAntilles | "suspicious"? |
| 22:20.36 | guenther | The "reviews" (or actually, useless blabber) are just confusing me. |
| 22:20.41 | GeneralAntilles | guenther, http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=67511 |
| 22:20.46 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 22:20.57 | GeneralAntilles | i-Blue 737, 747, or 757. |
| 22:21.01 | GeneralAntilles | Problem solved. ;) |
| 22:21.49 | guenther | ah, I've seen that one, right... |
| 22:28.08 | RST38bis | does iblue ccall 'em after boeing planes? |
| 22:28.26 | GeneralAntilles | Huh? |
| 22:28.39 | GeneralAntilles | guenther, has andre chatted with you about Garage Tracker -> Bugzilla yet? |
| 22:29.06 | guenther | sure |
| 22:29.11 | guenther | Anything in particular? |
| 22:29.31 | guenther | You know, we're chatting and discussing things outside the channel, too. :-P |
| 22:30.03 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, I know, but I don't know what. ;) |
| 22:30.17 | GeneralAntilles | Nothing in particular, it's just something that I'd really like to see happen |
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| 22:30.33 | guenther | yes, me too |
| 22:30.40 | GeneralAntilles | and we probably need to get together about it at some oint. |
| 22:30.47 | guenther | I'm pondering filing maemo-mapper bugs. |
| 22:31.04 | GeneralAntilles | gnuite's hitting the road for the next month or two |
| 22:31.07 | guenther | Or actually, I'm pondering if I really want to use garage tracker... ;) |
| 22:31.10 | GeneralAntilles | probably a poor candidate. |
| 22:31.15 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, well, no. |
| 22:31.23 | GeneralAntilles | You don't want to use the Garage tracker. ;) |
| 22:31.27 | GeneralAntilles | It sucks ass. |
| 22:31.33 | guenther | I know. |
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| 22:37.10 | rm_you | shit, lol, 14-1 is broken, 14-2 coming through |
| 22:37.18 | Atarii | lol |
| 22:37.28 | GeneralAntilles | Anyway, guenther, probably two things that could stand to be poked at in the short term. The template for new bugs (https://wiki.maemo.org/Image:New-bug-mockup.jpg) and adding a couple of search links to the front page for, say, recently filed bugs, recently updated bugs and, maybe, top-ten by number of votes. |
| 22:38.47 | rm_you | Zetx: :) |
| 22:38.52 | Zetx | rm :p |
| 22:38.53 | guenther | hmm |
| 22:39.01 | Zetx | I couldn't find where you nickbeep'd me |
| 22:39.03 | guenther | GeneralAntilles: Why the votes one? |
| 22:39.11 | rm_you | Zetx: LONG time ago |
| 22:39.12 | guenther | I don't want to encourage "me too"s. |
| 22:39.20 | GeneralAntilles | guenth, no particular reason |
| 22:39.28 | Zetx | i figured |
| 22:39.30 | GeneralAntilles | I'm just pulling ideas out of my ass. ;) |
| 22:39.36 | guenther | :) |
| 22:39.51 | rm_you | Zetx: you aren't active enough |
| 22:39.55 | GeneralAntilles | You'll know what would be a better set than I, we just need a set. |
| 22:39.56 | guenther | Adding some *useful* quick searches shouldn't be a problem. |
| 22:39.56 | rm_you | Zetx: port something :) |
| 22:40.00 | Zetx | lol |
| 22:40.01 | Zetx | uhhh |
| 22:40.02 | rm_you | Zetx: maintain something :) |
| 22:40.08 | guenther | Though it can be done easily on a per user basis.. |
| 22:40.10 | rm_you | Zetx: document stuff in Wiki :P |
| 22:40.17 | rm_you | Zetx: do bug triage on bugzilla |
| 22:40.43 | GeneralAntilles | guenther, my original thought was to modify the default saved search set. |
| 22:40.44 | Zetx | lol |
| 22:40.49 | guenther | Zetx: File bugs. Triage later. ;-) |
| 22:40.55 | GeneralAntilles | But timely had a good argument against that. |
| 22:41.10 | GeneralAntilles | Just adding a couple of search links to the front page should be good. |
| 22:41.12 | Zetx | lol |
| 22:41.31 | Zetx | yeah, so i want to buy a thinkpad tablet, camera and bluetooth keyboard |
| 22:41.32 | Zetx | ugh |
| 22:41.34 | Zetx | my wallet |
| 22:41.39 | rm_you | Atarii: well, technically 14-1 is only broken for NON-770s :P |
| 22:41.58 | GeneralAntilles | DSLR! |
| 22:42.09 | Zetx | Ant: point & shoot |
| 22:42.23 | guenther | icanthasdslrburgers |
| 22:42.33 | GeneralAntilles | Point and shoot sux. |
| 22:42.57 | rm_you | am I missing something? :P |
| 22:43.03 | guenther | Frankly, all these queries are really easy, and can be explained using a few words only. |
| 22:43.06 | rm_you | also, Comix on n800 is cool :P |
| 22:43.21 | rm_you | oh someone needs to update mediabox for diablo |
| 22:43.23 | guenther | I'd rather like to add something like this to the Bugtriaging wiki pages. |
| 22:43.24 | rm_you | and put it in extras |
| 22:43.28 | rm_you | who is the main dev? |
| 22:43.35 | rm_you | is he/she still around? |
| 22:43.38 | GeneralAntilles | guenther, you see the new bugzilla plugin? |
| 22:43.43 | guenther | By that, users learn how to use the Search. |
| 22:44.23 | guenther | What do you mean? |
| 22:44.31 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, he was just moaning about something stupid on itT |
| 22:44.36 | GeneralAntilles | Master of Gizmo, I think. |
| 22:44.37 | GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/User:Xfade/test |
| 22:45.00 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Bugzilla_Reports |
| 22:45.09 | GeneralAntilles | For some reason ours doesn't look like that yet. . . . |
| 22:45.16 | zap | Are there any special requirements for the XB-Maemo-Icon-26: field? I can't get my icon to display, whatever I do with it |
| 22:45.23 | guenther | wow |
| 22:47.09 | rm_you | zap: uuencode? >_> dunno |
| 22:48.55 | lbt | http://bt747.wiki.sourceforge.net/Manage+iBlue%2C+Qstarz+BT-Q1000+and+iTrek+Z1+GPS+data+loggers+on+Windows%2C+Palm%2C+WinCE%2C+Linux+and+Mac+(opensource) |
| 22:49.10 | lbt | data logger stuff for the iBlue 744 |
| 22:49.13 | lbt | 747 |
| 22:49.22 | lbt | under linux |
| 22:49.39 | zap | rm_you: I encode into the same place another image, same resolution, same color depth -> it works |
| 22:50.10 | rm_you | jott: whatcha doin? :P |
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| 22:51.35 | guenther | I just need a perfect GPS receiver. ;) |
| 22:52.22 | lbt | have to say GeneralAntilles' suggestion of the 747 looks good. Does data logging and BT connection. |
| 22:52.41 | lbt | negs: BT is 1.2, not 2.0 so download is slow (apparently) |
| 22:52.47 | zap | omg, it worked |
| 22:53.01 | lbt | can't datalog and use BT at the same time |
| 22:53.01 | guenther | right |
| 22:53.03 | lbt | (apparently) |
| 22:53.11 | lbt | http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=81315&whichpage=1 |
| 22:53.28 | guenther | The review mentions "poor plastic" though... |
| 22:53.29 | lbt | and only available from ebay hong-kong :( |
| 22:53.37 | guenther | oh |
| 22:53.42 | guenther | that one is a killer :) |
| 22:53.56 | lbt | which means if it dies you get to bin it since the return postage is usually a joke... |
| 22:54.16 | lbt | OTOH, most modern electronics live forever if they last a week... |
| 22:54.37 | lbt | Nah, not a killer. small risk. |
| 22:54.37 | guenther | haha |
| 22:55.02 | guenther | It's been a while since you bought a HDD, eh? ;-) |
| 22:55.10 | GeneralAntilles | Available from Amazon here. :p |
| 22:55.18 | guenther | Also, I've seen RAM dieing recently... |
| 22:55.40 | lbt | I have 7 RMA-ed 1 Tb disks in a box behind me.... |
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| 22:55.42 | guenther | nice |
| 22:55.52 | guenther | But they can't be that old. ;) |
| 22:55.54 | lbt | mmm - not the word I'd use... |
| 22:56.04 | lbt | no, they all died within a month |
| 22:56.23 | guenther | oh :/ |
| 22:56.32 | guenther | What did you mean by "RMA"? |
| 22:56.47 | churl | Maemo mapper died!!! |
| 22:56.48 | lbt | faulty, they sent me a replacement |
| 22:57.08 | guenther | I see... |
| 22:57.15 | lbt | Samsung may not have the best HDDs |
| 22:57.22 | guenther | Let me take back the "nice". ;) |
| 22:57.26 | lbt | but in the UK they're the only one to do advance replacement |
| 22:57.43 | lbt | nah - no data loss (I do linux-raid in another life) |
| 22:58.10 | lbt | all for the MythTV box.... <sigh> |
| 22:58.44 | guenther | hmm |
| 22:58.57 | guenther | You had the disk returned 7 times? |
| 22:59.13 | lbt | I have 9 disks... |
| 22:59.17 | guenther | Or actually all in the video box? |
| 22:59.30 | lbt | well, 5 in one box, 4 in another |
| 22:59.45 | GreyFoxx | lbt: Gotta keep the recordings safe :) |
| 22:59.52 | lbt | absolutely |
| 23:00.02 | GeneralAntilles | 1TB drives are getting cheap |
| 23:00.12 | lbt | yup <£100 each |
| 23:00.14 | guenther | So you started collecting videos that will last until you retire? ;) |
| 23:00.23 | GreyFoxx | With 1TB drives coming down I'm tempted to merge my slave backend into a single master |
| 23:00.30 | lbt | we have TV shows from 3 years ago |
| 23:00.38 | GreyFoxx | 1 less box to heat my house :) |
| 23:00.58 | lbt | yes - that's another good thing about them - more storage, less heat/power |
| 23:00.59 | GeneralAntilles | My 7 drives total up to only 1.4TB |
| 23:01.40 | lbt | if $ not an issue then you get 3x1Tb, more space and resilience, and less heat |
| 23:02.25 | lbt | And they also store the NFS roots for all the frontends (Bedroom, lounge, bathroom) |
| 23:02.46 | lbt | http://www.flickr.com/photos/96141280@N00/2192513428/ |
| 23:02.47 | lbt | :D |
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| 23:03.10 | GreyFoxx | heh yeah |
| 23:03.29 | guenther | bathroom frontend... |
| 23:03.46 | lbt | it was mrs lbt who wanted it.... |
| 23:03.51 | lbt | I said no |
| 23:03.55 | guenther | WOW |
| 23:03.57 | lbt | clearly she won |
| 23:03.58 | GreyFoxx | That's yours? I've seen that photo before |
| 23:04.04 | lbt | it is |
| 23:04.05 | guenther | That's yours? |
| 23:04.30 | guenther | That's actually pretty cool. |
| 23:04.34 | lbt | GreyFoxx: I used to do more on myth users - I setup the original wiki... |
| 23:04.35 | GreyFoxx | cool |
| 23:04.45 | guenther | And makes a whole more sense for the tub than... say, the loo. |
| 23:04.57 | lbt | it's a £50 Dell from eBay in the loft |
| 23:05.08 | lbt | and a super cheap LCD |
| 23:05.12 | GreyFoxx | lbt: ahh the one that got moved to wiki.mythtv.org |
| 23:05.18 | lbt | indeed... |
| 23:05.28 | GreyFoxx | <<-- one of the crazy people with commit to mythtv |
| 23:05.43 | lbt | hello |
| 23:05.45 | lbt | :) |
| 23:06.08 | lbt | so you've seen mythtomer then? |
| 23:06.21 | GreyFoxx | I'm writing in support for dvd changers and streaming them from the backend. So my 200disc dvd changer in the basement (firewire connected) can be streamed to any remote FE |
| 23:06.42 | lbt | nice... |
| 23:06.56 | lbt | I still walk over and stick it in the slot... |
| 23:07.01 | GreyFoxx | lbt: Not yet. Still waiting for a working N810 to arrive :/ |
| 23:07.06 | GreyFoxx | the first wouldn't power up |
| 23:07.14 | lbt | :( |
| 23:07.36 | lbt | mythtomer is a nice idea - needs to be much smarter though |
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| 23:07.57 | GreyFoxx | my first project with the n810 was gonna be a remote using the telnet interface to the FE. But if someone already has one started, then cool :) |
| 23:08.02 | lbt | adaptive to what myth is doing at the moment... |
| 23:08.18 | lbt | yes indeed - but he seems to do it by simulating X events... |
| 23:08.41 | lbt | which is ...... interesting |
| 23:08.49 | GreyFoxx | heh ah a little odd :) |
| 23:08.59 | lbt | but it's a bit like X10 .... too stateless |
| 23:08.59 | GreyFoxx | at least with the avialability of the telnet controls |
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| 23:18.56 | lbt | bought a 747 :) |
| 23:19.01 | lbt | 'night all ... |
| 23:19.04 | pppoe_dude | hello. quick question about the n810 and GPS. Do I need a subscription to get maps? |
| 23:19.08 | pppoe_dude | and also, are there alternatives |
| 23:19.35 | guenther | subscription? |
| 23:20.02 | guenther | The "map" application that comes with the n810 features free maps. |
| 23:20.20 | pppoe_dude | guenther, ok that's what i was wondering |
| 23:20.35 | guenther | You only need to pay for additional services, like navigation. |
| 23:20.39 | pppoe_dude | europe and north america included? |
| 23:20.51 | pppoe_dude | guenther, you mean driving directions and such? |
| 23:20.55 | guenther | yes |
| 23:21.05 | pppoe_dude | ok |
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| 23:21.10 | guenther | Europe is split up in separate maps. |
| 23:21.25 | guenther | Usually a country, sometimes more than one. |
| 23:21.37 | Atarii | rm_you |
| 23:21.55 | pppoe_dude | guenther, ok but all included with the map application? |
| 23:22.04 | guenther | pppoe_dude: Any particular country? I could check the available maps... |
| 23:22.11 | rm_you | Atarii: |
| 23:22.22 | pppoe_dude | guenther, well right now i'm thinking UK and canada |
| 23:22.26 | Atarii | so 14-2 installs and works fine, but has no icon |
| 23:22.35 | Atarii | apart from when volume is 0 |
| 23:22.35 | guenther | Separate download required for most of them. But it is free. |
| 23:22.46 | rm_you | Atarii: working on it |
| 23:22.46 | pppoe_dude | guenther, ok that answers my question thanskl! |
| 23:22.49 | rm_you | Atarii: what theme |
| 23:22.54 | Atarii | hildon |
| 23:22.57 | guenther | Also, there s maemo-mapper (using images, no vectors), but it is cool. |
| 23:22.59 | rm_you | Atarii: yeah |
| 23:23.03 | rm_you | Atarii: give me a minute |
| 23:23.08 | rm_you | found more bugs |
| 23:23.11 | Atarii | infacy |
| 23:23.14 | Atarii | all themes |
| 23:23.15 | rm_you | 14-3 should be there soon |
| 23:23.24 | rm_you | Default should work :/ |
| 23:23.36 | pppoe_dude | guenther, like aerial view? |
| 23:23.40 | Atarii | no its the same, no icon apart from when volume is 0 |
| 23:23.52 | Atarii | brightness works like a charm though :) |
| 23:24.01 | pppoe_dude | guenther, also, would you know how the n810's gps compares with the nokia n95;s? |
| 23:24.01 | rm_you | lol |
| 23:24.03 | rm_you | i just can't win |
| 23:24.06 | Atarii | lol |
| 23:24.10 | guenther | Canada, UK & Ireland -- available for map |
| 23:24.31 | guenther | aerial view? |
| 23:24.32 | Atarii | is brightness "0" visible on 770/n800 in bright sunlight? |
| 23:24.34 | pppoe_dude | guenther, oh never mind about that |
| 23:24.41 | GAN800 | Yes, Maemo Mapper can use satelite maps. |
| 23:24.41 | guenther | Well, maemo-mapper can use bitmap based maps. |
| 23:24.51 | pppoe_dude | guenther, yes i thought you meant aerial photos :) |
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| 23:25.01 | GAN800 | Atarii, not really. |
| 23:25.01 | guenther | Google (Satellite, Street, etc), OpenstreetMap.org, ... |
| 23:26.19 | guenther | Personally, I love mapper. |
| 23:26.54 | guenther | Populating maps can be a little bit work to get in a lot of resolutions, but it is just great. |
| 23:26.59 | pppoe_dude | im really conflicted between n810 and n95 |
| 23:27.09 | pppoe_dude | n810 is sweet coz it's linux and it has keyboard |
| 23:27.16 | guenther | Really nice and clean view, because it is not rendered. |
| 23:27.20 | pppoe_dude | n95 is sweet because i can get it real cheap |
| 23:27.26 | guenther | heh |
| 23:27.36 | guenther | The display isn't the same either. ;) |
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| 23:27.44 | GAN800 | N810 is down to $299 |
| 23:27.49 | pppoe_dude | GAN800, ? where from |
| 23:27.55 | Knirch | pppoe_dude: n95 or n95 8GB ? :) |
| 23:27.57 | GAN800 | CompUSA |
| 23:27.57 | guenther | The n810 display just rocks" |
| 23:28.01 | pppoe_dude | Knirch, n95 |
| 23:28.05 | Knirch | pppoe_dude: :( |
| 23:28.12 | rm_you | Atarii: OK, so *NOW* a new version is going to -devel that should be fixed |
| 23:28.27 | Atarii | 14-3 |
| 23:28.29 | Atarii | ? |
| 23:28.30 | rm_you | I really hope no one upgraded to the 14-1 in extras <_< 14-3 will be there soon |
| 23:28.30 | pppoe_dude | i think i wanna get the n810, but so far i can only find it for around $400 with shipping in canada |
| 23:28.33 | rm_you | yes |
| 23:28.42 | Knirch | (why nokia didn't rename it is beyond me, the difference between coworkers n95 and gfs n95 8GB is night and day) |
| 23:29.03 | jahor | GAN800: my n810 is down all the time... but not becouse the price, because its randomly rebooting ;( |
| 23:29.23 | pppoe_dude | GAN800, do they ship to .ca? |
| 23:29.50 | GAN800 | jahor, then something is broken. |
| 23:30.07 | GAN800 | jahor, I'm gonna call it a corrupt internal card. |
| 23:30.27 | GAN800 | pppoe_dude, doubtful. Road trip? |
| 23:30.29 | jahor | GAN800: it looks so. i reformated the internal flash, did a reflash, but after diablo upgrade it's not stable |
| 23:30.59 | pppoe_dude | GAN800, :S |
| 23:31.09 | GAN800 | Something you installed, then. |
| 23:31.17 | jahor | GAN800: but it's not only rebooting.... response to lock key/fullscreen key is sometime realy realy slow and keyboard is sometime not working at all |
| 23:32.08 | jahor | GAN800: vanilla diablo. nothing special installed. i will try chinook againe to tray if it's problem only with diablo. |
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| 23:36.51 | guenther | feels like taking mapper out for walk |
| 23:36.55 | guenther | later guys |
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| 23:40.27 | zap | what the application manager will do if an app depends on a virtual package, and there are two packages providing it? |
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| 23:41.11 | rm_you | zap: give an error and return |
| 23:41.49 | sp3000 | tested or guessed or documented? |
| 23:43.04 | lcuk | rm_you, go to bed mate |
| 23:43.11 | rm_you | soon |
| 23:43.17 | rm_you | gotta wait to push this to extras |
| 23:43.23 | lcuk | i thought i was bad sleep pattern wise |
| 23:43.35 | rm_you | i do 24 awake -> 14 asleep |
| 23:43.38 | rm_you | and loop. |
| 23:43.38 | lcuk | like i had to compile last night :) |
| 23:44.03 | lcuk | i used to drift like that :) lock yourself onto a time and stick to it or you wont get a job :P |
| 23:44.10 | rm_you | lol |
| 23:45.08 | lcuk | my algorithm for barcodes was wrong, but ive got a testbed now that i can draw over the top of the image :) |
| 23:45.28 | rm_you | i am still sad that that datamatrix code is so close and i can't finish it |
| 23:45.31 | lcuk | unfortunately ive had to drag the rest of liqbase in to do it ;) |
| 23:45.32 | rm_you | i can barely think |
| 23:45.40 | rm_you | i just pushed a BROKEN package to extras >_> |
| 23:45.51 | lcuk | oh no, whats wrong with it? |
| 23:45.52 | rm_you | so i hafta wait for this to build and push before i can sleep |
| 23:46.13 | rm_you | lcuk: oh, well, just that the advanced backlight applet doesn't, in this particular release, CHANGE THE BACKLIGHT LEVEL. |
| 23:46.26 | lcuk | hahaha |
| 23:46.34 | rm_you | the slider moves nicely from side to side though :P |
| 23:46.37 | rm_you | completely lag free! |
| 23:46.44 | lcuk | :D |
| 23:46.54 | rm_you | and SOMETIMES it even displays the correct icon! |
| 23:46.57 | rm_you | kries |
| 23:46.58 | lcuk | thats like making rice pudding and forgetting the rice :D |
| 23:47.11 | rm_you | it works on 770! :P |
| 23:47.14 | lcuk | (my nana did that once :D) |
| 23:47.16 | lcuk | PMSL |
| 23:47.29 | rm_you | it works ONLY on the platform it never worked on before |
| 23:47.29 | rm_you | lol |
| 23:47.45 | rm_you | i forgot to remove the test code that forced it to the 770 update mode <_< |
| 23:48.01 | rm_you | I blame GeneralAntilles for the hell of it :P |
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| 23:48.17 | Atarii | having a slider that moves and does nothing? now you know how we feel! |
| 23:48.23 | Atarii | felt* :p |
| 23:48.26 | GAN800 | shakes his fist at rm_you. |
| 23:49.42 | lcuk | GAN800, :) well done |
| 23:53.09 | rm_you | gah that datamatrix stuff is just sitting there taunting me |
| 23:53.36 | rm_you | ok, one more shot |
| 23:54.37 | rm_you | libdmtx0 is in extras now BTW if you want to test :P |
| 23:54.56 | rm_you | with the whole nothing it will do as it crashes |
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| 23:58.08 | rm_you | Atarii: 14-3? |
| 23:58.13 | rm_you | works GREAT on my end |
| 23:58.29 | rm_you | oh, didnt make it to chinook yet |
| 23:58.33 | rm_you | ... wtf |
| 23:59.04 | GAN800 | lol |
| 23:59.27 | Atarii | its here |
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