| 00:02.36 | t_s_o | it seems microb have gotten kind of a issue. it wants to continually reload whatever pages i open, either ending in a classical firefox error about a reload loop, or a small html plage that reads RELOAD: with a link to the page i was trying to open under it... |
| 00:08.07 | Kegetys | do you happen to have the automatic redirection setting disabled |
| 00:09.18 | t_s_o | i turned it of after the first time i had this issue, but nothing changed. it even tries this on the start page while in offline mode... |
| 00:12.25 | t_s_o | the strangest thing is the url line for that last page: data:text/html,<title>Reload</title><h1>Reload:</h1> and so on |
| 00:12.36 | t_s_o | its as if the html of the page spills into the url line... |
| 00:13.00 | lcuk | whats the site |
| 00:13.29 | t_s_o | it do not tell, its as if its a local page, stored on the tablet itself |
| 00:14.21 | lcuk | is this when you open ANY url from favorites list, or just the index.html |
| 00:14.24 | t_s_o | it also seems that browserd no longer wants to run at startup. and when started via terminal it spills a whole lot of export stuff onto screen |
| 00:14.37 | t_s_o | lcuk: any from favorites |
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| 00:16.29 | lcuk | remove any addins you have |
| 00:17.04 | lcuk | seems logical thing to try at least: they end up in the page content of every page dont they |
| 00:17.10 | t_s_o | dint have any |
| 00:17.13 | t_s_o | dont |
| 00:18.06 | wiza | t_s_o: that's normal data uri |
| 00:18.31 | wiza | t_s_o: just not widely used since ie doesn't support it |
| 00:18.39 | t_s_o | ok |
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| 00:26.08 | t_s_o | hmm, should browserd autostart if its not running and a browser window is opened? |
| 00:30.13 | t_s_o | bah, this is like poking a windows box with a stick... |
| 00:48.35 | t_s_o | interesting, it seems that maybe af-defines.sh is no longer run as it should. it seems to deal with the export stuff that i see spilling my screen whenever i use easyroot, something i didnt see until i had the other problem... |
| 00:50.59 | t_s_o | ah, another piece of the puzzle. browser dies with signal 11 if i try to stop it while reloading... |
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| 00:53.39 | t_s_o | heh, opening multiple browser windows basically kills all of them with a error message about a internal error :S |
| 00:54.47 | boolean | hmm |
| 00:55.07 | boolean | can anyone tell me how to install Xephyr for the diablo SDK? |
| 00:56.08 | boolean | oh brother .. nevermind :{ |
| 00:56.10 | lcuk | ewwww why would you want to emulate? |
| 00:56.44 | boolean | well I am following the howtos/tutorials for coding maemo apps |
| 00:57.18 | boolean | one has to start somewhere ... why do you compile right off the n8x0 ? |
| 00:58.08 | lcuk | you only need to work with the x86 portion if you want to emulate - if you are gonna copy to device (or map via sshfs or something) then its nicer |
| 00:58.17 | lcuk | i dont like vmware |
| 00:58.30 | lcuk | and i dont have a "full" linux system available here |
| 00:59.05 | lcuk | plus, its better this way |
| 00:59.13 | lcuk | i get to compile while im out havin a cig |
| 00:59.15 | lcuk | or on the train |
| 00:59.17 | lcuk | or the bus |
| 00:59.22 | boolean | heh ... |
| 00:59.36 | boolean | ok ... how long does it take to compile the kernel? |
| 00:59.47 | lcuk | i dunno, i only compile my stuff |
| 01:00.06 | boolean | i find doing simple find / -type f |xargs grep -il <someting> take forever ... |
| 01:00.08 | boolean | hmm |
| 01:00.09 | t_s_o | ugh, seems im looking at a reflash, i cant nail down the problem :( |
| 01:00.25 | boolean | k |
| 01:00.50 | lcuk | t_s_o, give a clearer description (with maybe a vid/pictures?) and ask people in itt |
| 01:01.08 | lcuk | its only 1 application, surely doesnt deserve a reflash |
| 01:01.19 | lcuk | i wouldnt reformat my computer cos firefox went on a benny |
| 01:01.25 | t_s_o | well its the browser, without it the tablet is nearly worthless |
| 01:01.34 | lcuk | theres a browser on it? |
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| 01:01.43 | t_s_o | figures... |
| 01:01.51 | lcuk | different things for different people |
| 01:01.56 | t_s_o | indeed |
| 01:02.22 | boolean | doesnt like the browser that much ... first port I will try will be links :) |
| 01:02.23 | lcuk | :) i understand then, if you feel you have to then go for it |
| 01:02.26 | t_s_o | well i tried the obvious, a reinstall of both browser and browserd, didnt fix a thing... |
| 01:02.52 | lcuk | its probably just one setting thats got wrong data in |
| 01:02.56 | lcuk | ask on itT |
| 01:03.02 | crashanddie | I use ssh -X firefox |
| 01:03.03 | t_s_o | probably... |
| 01:03.16 | t_s_o | i was just hoping some of the itt regulars where active here... |
| 01:03.30 | boolean | what is browserd exactly ? |
| 01:03.32 | crashanddie | t_s_o, only the IRC regulars are here :P |
| 01:03.39 | crashanddie | boolean, a backend for the browser |
| 01:03.46 | t_s_o | crashanddie: there is a bit over a overlap iirc |
| 01:03.46 | lcuk | its hard with obscure problems to find the right person: i mean daytimes timely is normally in, the guy whos working directly on the browser |
| 01:03.48 | jott | wow i had just nice big *WTF* starting gitk: http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/208/gittkwtfgk1.png |
| 01:03.51 | lcuk | ask him tomorrow |
| 01:04.18 | lcuk | timeless? timely? sameperson i think |
| 01:04.24 | lcuk | but i know hes never on at this time |
| 01:04.25 | boolean | crashanddie: as in sharing backend ? |
| 01:04.31 | crashanddie | aye |
| 01:04.37 | crashanddie | jott, looks good :) |
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| 01:04.41 | boolean | thanks |
| 01:04.44 | jott | crashanddie: tablet ready ;) |
| 01:05.04 | crashanddie | jott, at least you won't miss a commit with that :P |
| 01:06.10 | lcuk | jott :) i approve of your desktop by the way (apart from the header panel) |
| 01:06.34 | lcuk | and push git more :P |
| 01:07.29 | jott | the header panel is a calculator and a launcher ;) |
| 01:09.10 | jott | probably needs some sleep |
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| 01:09.50 | jott | so much stuff in the mind and so in need of sleep. this sucks :/ |
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| 01:10.54 | lcuk | :) jott i feel the same |
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| 01:18.11 | crashanddie | jott & luck: you need modafinil |
| 01:20.34 | crashanddie | or orexin A |
| 01:20.41 | GAN800 | that was incredible. non-stop thunderstorm for 300 miles. |
| 01:20.57 | lcuk | ? crashanddie |
| 01:21.39 | crashanddie | lcuk, modafinil allows you to sleep 3 hours a night, and never feel sleepy |
| 01:21.57 | crashanddie | lcuk, orexin A resets your brain chemical balance so that you don't need sleep anymore |
| 01:22.37 | lcuk | then, no i dont need it |
| 01:22.42 | lcuk | sleep is better |
| 01:22.49 | lcuk | jott, are you awake |
| 01:23.16 | lcuk | GAN800, did everything go off? |
| 01:23.17 | jott | lcuk: yes, even without orexin A :) |
| 01:23.39 | crashanddie | though, orexin goes around £1000 per gram, so not exactly that cheap :P |
| 01:23.44 | lcuk | lol if you rotate the display which way does the tearing go? |
| 01:23.48 | GAN800 | No, the detonators were trash. :( |
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| 01:24.14 | GAN800 | lcuk, the grain rotates too--hardware. |
| 01:24.23 | GAN800 | zerojay! |
| 01:24.32 | zerojay | GAN800: Hiya. |
| 01:24.33 | lcuk | !!!! :D |
| 01:24.49 | crashanddie | anyway |
| 01:24.51 | crashanddie | I'm out |
| 01:24.51 | jott | lcuk: yeah, the rotation actually changes the memory mapping of the display |
| 01:24.59 | GAN800 | Any good news about the discount code? :( |
| 01:25.00 | lcuk | jott, have you examined whether its possible to rotate without kernel |
| 01:25.15 | lcuk | gnite crashanddie :) |
| 01:25.15 | jott | lcuk: it's not possible to use hardware rotation. |
| 01:25.27 | zerojay | GAN800: Let me guess, that's become a bit of a joke in the community or something? ;) |
| 01:25.40 | jott | if you implemented software rotation into the xomap xserver it would work without kernel patches |
| 01:25.51 | lcuk | i am sure i managed it with some hacking right at the start,but my pattern wasnt formed (it was almost snow) |
| 01:25.56 | GAN800 | Nah, just concerned. ;) |
| 01:26.04 | boolean | sighs |
| 01:26.05 | zerojay | GAN800: No... still no luck. The latest codes I were given about a month or so ago just don't work... so... guess I'll just wait until it comes down to my price range like everyone else. |
| 01:26.14 | boolean | how does one close a scratchbox session? |
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| 01:26.27 | lcuk | close the console? |
| 01:26.31 | GAN800 | Canada really got the short stick. |
| 01:26.37 | jott | lcuk: http://sse2.net/rotate/Updated_blizzard_rotation_support_v2.diff <- just look at the patch |
| 01:26.42 | crashanddie | GAN800, n810 been running for 10h20m, still reports 1hour of battery life, with GPS tracking activated, that is |
| 01:27.04 | boolean | hmm but each time i start again, it dumps me into an existing session |
| 01:27.11 | GAN800 | crashanddie, that sounds pretty workable as an 'always on' GPS. |
| 01:27.11 | zerojay | GAN800: I just got an e-mail about the sponsorship and made me think about coming back to see how things are going here... if there's even anyone still here that I remember. |
| 01:27.31 | GAN800 | zerojay, there's tons more activity lately. |
| 01:27.51 | GAN800 | maemo.org is really taking off nicely. |
| 01:27.57 | zerojay | GAN800: I heard about the early Diablo hacks and stuff, but I feel so out of it these days. |
| 01:28.29 | crashanddie | GAN800, I will do a second run tomorrow night, so we don't have a "one test only" result. It would be nice if someone else could do it too, as to have a pretty accurate reading |
| 01:28.32 | zerojay | GAN800: So... were all those times I told people that things were getting better right? :) |
| 01:28.49 | lcuk | crash, is it sat connected or not |
| 01:28.54 | crashanddie | lcuk, yup |
| 01:28.57 | lcuk | cool |
| 01:29.01 | GAN800 | zerojay, I'd say so. |
| 01:29.18 | crashanddie | lcuk, I've had to open maemo mapper though. Couldn't get the gps to stay on all the time otherwise |
| 01:29.19 | lcuk | jott, thanks i might install and check a few things out. |
| 01:29.21 | GAN800 | Things are definitely heading the right direction. |
| 01:29.57 | crashanddie | lcuk, the trick for it to not compromise the battery/cpu usage, is to ask it to show a part of the map you are not, so it doesn't have to update the view |
| 01:30.18 | zerojay | GAN800: I'm glad to hear that. Maemo is still a project that I really believe in and want to see do well. |
| 01:30.36 | crashanddie | in order to have a pretty accurate reading, I wrote a small shell script that touches a file every minute, so I know when the n810 gives up and shuts down |
| 01:30.40 | boolean | you would think this was easy ... *sigh* |
| 01:30.55 | GAN800 | it's too bad they screwed the pooch si hard on the discount codes. :( |
| 01:31.08 | boolean | in order to switch targets in scratchbox, I have to close the previous session |
| 01:31.14 | zerojay | GAN800: Well, so long as most everyone else got theirs... |
| 01:31.20 | boolean | so ... |
| 01:31.21 | boolean | [sbox-DIABLO_ARMEL: ~] > sb-conf cu |
| 01:31.21 | boolean | DIABLO_ARMEL |
| 01:31.21 | boolean | [sbox-DIABLO_ARMEL: ~] > sb-conf select MaemoKernel |
| 01:31.21 | boolean | sb-conf: You must close your other Scratchbox sessions first |
| 01:31.24 | GAN800 | Maemo Software'd been better off handling the whole thing directly. |
| 01:31.47 | boolean | login out and running scratchbox brings back into DIABLO_ARMEL |
| 01:31.56 | lcuk | :D heh jott - i might just be able to do it at the app level as well |
| 01:32.06 | GAN800 | yeah, I'd say it worked out in the end for most. but it took a while to get there. . . . |
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| 01:32.35 | crashanddie | boolean, check you don't have another console running in scratchbox, also, check that there isn't any file manager/console sitting within the scratchbox environment (e.g.: /scratchbox/users/you/home/you/*) |
| 01:32.39 | zerojay | GAN800: If the project is still going strong, it couldn't have been that bad. |
| 01:32.53 | zerojay | In fact, judging from the amount of people here, I'd say it's stronger than I ever remember. |
| 01:32.57 | lcuk | it looks similar to the method i used before and because i can choose resolution earlier, i can just choose to be in a 480*800, then mark it as rotated. it would be a hack, but it might just work |
| 01:33.04 | GAN800 | Most definitely. |
| 01:33.05 | crashanddie | zerojay, and it's 330 AM in Europe :P |
| 01:33.12 | lcuk | gnite folks |
| 01:33.22 | crashanddie | yeah, good call, out of here |
| 01:33.22 | GAN800 | later, lcuk |
| 01:33.27 | GAN800 | 'night |
| 01:33.30 | crashanddie | *damn you for being interesting* |
| 01:33.36 | lcuk_zzz | :) |
| 01:33.41 | lcuk_zzz | likewise |
| 01:33.53 | crashanddie | 'night |
| 01:34.21 | boolean | crashanddie: logout, found a scratchbox proc, killed it and /scratchbox/users/me/home/me/* still there .. |
| 01:34.25 | boolean | any suggestions? |
| 01:35.02 | boolean | nope .. kill -9 the proc worked .. |
| 01:35.06 | boolean | sorry for the noise |
| 01:35.18 | crashanddie | eh ? |
| 01:35.19 | crashanddie | oh |
| 01:35.20 | crashanddie | ok |
| 01:35.23 | crashanddie | 'night |
| 01:35.49 | boolean | night |
| 01:36.22 | GAN800 | goes to fix a 20-year-old outboard. |
| 01:48.33 | dougt | does anyone know how to calculate idle time on maemo? |
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| 01:48.54 | dougt | usually you use libxss but that isn't installed for obvious reasons. |
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| 02:03.50 | ShadowJK | what idle time? |
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| 02:07.40 | dougt | ShadowJK: the time between user inputs |
| 02:08.00 | ShadowJK | oh that kind of idle time |
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| 02:28.41 | yigal | are there keys to press to poweroff the n800 if it isn't shutting down nicely? |
| 02:30.08 | yigal | hard power off |
| 02:30.45 | yigal | os2008 |
| 02:31.01 | yigal | powerkey has no effect |
| 02:31.05 | yigal | holding or hitting |
| 02:32.05 | yigal | it just has bootsplash "NOKIA" in blue |
| 02:32.23 | GreyFoxx | Heh I wish my810 would power on :) |
| 02:32.26 | mikedep333 | hello, the repo file-linked to on canola's web site doesn't work |
| 02:32.29 | mikedep333 | http://repository.maemo.org/dists/diablo/free |
| 02:32.30 | GreyFoxx | just got a new battery and still nothing |
| 02:32.39 | yigal | GreyFoxx: I'm sorry to here |
| 02:32.44 | GreyFoxx | looks like this puppy is going back tomorrow :/ |
| 02:32.53 | yigal | GreyFoxx: can I take out the battery? |
| 02:32.55 | yigal | easily |
| 02:32.56 | mikedep333 | oh, nm |
| 02:33.09 | mikedep333 | anyway to override that so it looks for chinook rather than diablo? |
| 02:33.16 | GreyFoxx | yig: In the 810 is'd dead simple, I would assume the same with the 800 |
| 02:33.37 | yigal | GreyFoxx: open up back |
| 02:33.53 | yigal | there's a case |
| 02:33.55 | yigal | ? |
| 02:34.39 | GreyFoxx | Not sure what you mean by a case in that context |
| 02:35.00 | GreyFoxx | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:35.17 | yigal | GreyFoxx: the original is a grey battery? |
| 02:35.27 | GreyFoxx | yeah, both are |
| 02:35.33 | GreyFoxx | bp-4l's |
| 02:35.57 | yigal | the enclosure is tight I don't want to hurt anything by taking it out, what do you think should I? |
| 02:36.15 | GreyFoxx | I'd just take it out |
| 02:36.34 | yigal | should I need a special tools? |
| 02:36.45 | GreyFoxx | no |
| 02:36.50 | GreyFoxx | It'll just slide right out |
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| 02:39.22 | yigal | not so easy over here :( |
| 02:40.48 | yigal | what side do I pry from, on the inside or the edge? |
| 02:43.23 | rm_you | GAN800: |
| 02:44.55 | yigal | GreyFoxx: you can't be serious this battery isn't moving |
| 02:46.23 | yigal | I just bench pressed 300lbs so hopefully I can get this battery out of its enclosure |
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| 02:51.04 | yigal | ah http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4001 at least I'm not the only one |
| 02:53.37 | yigal | I gave it the old wack on palm treatment, very refined I must say, out it came |
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| 02:55.54 | yigal | they should give those instructions, "to remove battery lightly bang n800 on palms battery will shoot out |
| 02:55.57 | yigal | " |
| 02:58.02 | yigal | as long as I get my jokes I'm ok |
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| 03:03.08 | DaniloCesar | Is e2fsprogs in bora extra repository? |
| 03:03.55 | DaniloCesar | * Diablo's extra |
| 03:10.07 | mikedep333 | hey, I'm trying to get canola2 to run on diablo. What arguments do I use with canola-cleaner (or canola-cleanup-launcher? |
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| 03:40.49 | yigal | mikedep333: what problems are you having with canola2? |
| 03:46.22 | rm_you | lcuk_zzz: >_> damn, missed you |
| 03:46.35 | johnx | rm_you, are you just getting up to? |
| 03:46.39 | rm_you | Ino |
| 03:46.44 | rm_you | i woke up at 6:30 am here |
| 03:46.48 | rm_you | it is 8:46 now |
| 03:46.51 | rm_you | p, |
| 03:46.54 | rm_you | *pm obviously |
| 03:47.03 | johnx | O_o |
| 03:47.04 | rm_you | been on most of the day |
| 03:47.06 | rm_you | but went to costco |
| 03:47.25 | rm_you | i came up with one solution to the -unlocked issue |
| 03:47.48 | rm_you | need opinions tho, it works very smoothly but breaks all sorts of packaging rules |
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| 03:49.58 | johnx | rm_you, what's it do? |
| 03:50.07 | rm_you | IE, you install a package named "osso-software-version" which "replaces: osso-software-version-rx34, osso-software-version-rx44", and it comes with both rx34-unlocked and rx44-unlocked debs... then during postinst it forks, figures out which hardware it is on, and waits for dpkg / apt to exit and then installs the correct deb |
| 03:50.31 | rm_you | and it works very nicely, but GAH |
| 03:50.34 | rm_you | such a hack |
| 03:50.40 | rm_you | installing extra packages in the background |
| 03:50.48 | rm_you | and has to wait for any package manager to close |
| 03:50.54 | johnx | eer...why can't you just "Provide" osso-software-version-rx34 and rx44 |
| 03:51.02 | rm_you | because that doesnt solve the issue |
| 03:51.10 | rm_you | THOSE packages are not needed by anything |
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| 03:51.15 | rm_you | they just have a bunch of their own deps |
| 03:51.28 | rm_you | meta-packages |
| 03:51.39 | rm_you | to keep the default software in a sane state |
| 03:52.00 | johnx | ok, let me think about this, but I'm gonna make coffee first |
| 03:52.04 | rm_you | k |
| 03:52.22 | rm_you | i wanted lcuk or lardman or one of the people who like... have this problem, to be on |
| 03:53.02 | johnx | and why exactly do you need "unlocked"? because it doesn't depend on set version numbers? |
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| 03:53.19 | rm_you | yes |
| 03:53.24 | rm_you | so what this does |
| 03:53.38 | rm_you | is let us properly name the xserver-xomap package (for example) in which we added rotation support |
| 03:53.43 | rm_you | to a higher version |
| 03:54.05 | rm_you | and the maintainer for THAT puts my package "osso-software-version-unlocked" in as a "Depends" |
| 03:54.05 | johnx | and you tried doing on 'or' depend on unlocked-rx34 and rx44? |
| 03:54.18 | rm_you | so it pulls in that, which kicks out the locked one, and puts back the -unlocked |
| 03:54.28 | rm_you | see, the problem with that is |
| 03:54.30 | rm_you | it isn't smooth |
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| 03:54.41 | rm_you | it will go "error! cannot install, depends on X or Y" |
| 03:54.49 | rm_you | because it doesnt have the intelligence necessary to choose |
| 03:55.11 | johnx | because app manager is kind of a lame apt frontend I guess... |
| 03:55.27 | rm_you | and since technically the osso-software-version packages are never in "depends", they only block installs, it is ok to remove one during the install and put it back after |
| 03:55.35 | rm_you | even apt can't do it |
| 03:55.44 | rm_you | i mean |
| 03:55.55 | rm_you | we could write a fscking PATCH for apt maybe, but that would be SUCH a hack |
| 03:56.07 | rm_you | i mean, i KNOW i could write a patch for apt |
| 03:56.12 | rm_you | cause they already did it |
| 03:56.19 | rm_you | to do sort of the same thing |
| 03:56.23 | johnx | wait, why can't apt satisfy an | depend? |
| 03:56.36 | rm_you | because the two packages are exactly the same |
| 03:56.47 | johnx | it should just pick the first then |
| 03:56.50 | rm_you | osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked |
| 03:56.52 | rm_you | osso-software-version-rx344-unlocked |
| 03:56.53 | rm_you | err |
| 03:56.56 | rm_you | osso-software-version-rx44-unlocked |
| 03:57.00 | rm_you | that would be bad |
| 03:57.09 | rm_you | cause then on n810 you would get rx34-unlocked |
| 03:57.22 | rm_you | but it has no idea what the logic is for that |
| 03:57.29 | johnx | right, but what I'm wondering is why it isn't behaving like normal apt |
| 03:57.36 | rm_you | ... |
| 03:57.39 | rm_you | normal apt doesnt do that either |
| 03:57.48 | johnx | with an | depend? |
| 03:57.54 | johnx | it just picks whatever is a available |
| 03:58.04 | rm_you | if there are multiple packages that satisfy a dependency, it says "woah, here are your options, i'm bailing" |
| 03:58.13 | johnx | uhm, no? |
| 03:58.13 | rm_you | it's happened to me within the last week in Sid |
| 03:58.38 | rm_you | that's when i became acutely aware of why people were complaining |
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| 03:59.53 | rm_you | apt would need to know that "oh, on this hardware, we need the rx34 package, but on this hardware we need the rx44 package" |
| 04:00.05 | rm_you | I should write up the patch and submit it upstream really... |
| 04:00.09 | GAN800 | rm_you, figure out the unlocked? |
| 04:00.19 | rm_you | since they apparently are perfectly fine with hacking up apt for proprietary stuff |
| 04:00.21 | rm_you | GAN800: sort of |
| 04:00.38 | rm_you | you install a package named "osso-software-version" which "replaces: osso-software-version-rx34, osso-software-version-rx44", and it comes with both rx34-unlocked and rx44-unlocked debs... then during postinst it forks, figures out which hardware it is on, and waits for dpkg / apt to exit and then installs the correct deb |
| 04:01.03 | rm_you | it let us properly name the xserver-xomap package (for example) in which we added rotation support to a higher version and the maintainer for THAT puts my package "osso-software-version-unlocked" in as a "Depends" |
| 04:01.05 | johnx | rm_you, that is a *scary* hack with a huge potential to go wrong |
| 04:01.10 | rm_you | yes i knpw |
| 04:01.12 | rm_you | though |
| 04:01.19 | rm_you | on the bright side, the WORST POSSIBLE OUTCOME |
| 04:01.26 | rm_you | is that the unlocked package doesnt get pulled in |
| 04:01.32 | johnx | yeah, there is that |
| 04:01.40 | rm_you | for which the solution is.... do it manually |
| 04:01.44 | rm_you | or run "enable-unlocked" |
| 04:01.48 | rm_you | which is the script i use |
| 04:01.55 | rm_you | and stays in /usr/bin/ |
| 04:02.03 | johnx | rm_you, actually, I'm not so sure that making it easy is the best idea |
| 04:02.03 | rm_you | also, disable-unlocked >_> |
| 04:02.15 | rm_you | johnx: yes, there are arguments on either side |
| 04:02.21 | GAN800 | For rotation? I'd say it is. |
| 04:02.33 | rm_you | GAN800: anyway, i tested it, works great here... i put a modified rotation package and that package in my own repo |
| 04:02.41 | rm_you | added it to apt, apt-get update, etc |
| 04:02.47 | rm_you | then apt-get install xserver-xomap |
| 04:02.50 | johnx | GAN800, for enabling the replacement of core libs with 3rd party stuff? I'd have to disagree |
| 04:03.01 | rm_you | and it pulled in the higher version with the osso-software-version-unlocked |
| 04:03.05 | rm_you | and everything was dandy |
| 04:03.22 | rm_you | sec i will do the operation again and pastebin the apt interaction |
| 04:03.22 | johnx | rm_you, can you just tell people: N800 users, click _here_ , N810 users click _here_ |
| 04:03.32 | rm_you | johnx: don't think so? |
| 04:03.34 | johnx | do this install to unlock *THEN* install the rotation package |
| 04:03.36 | rm_you | >_> |
| 04:03.40 | rm_you | oh |
| 04:03.42 | rm_you | well yeah |
| 04:03.43 | rm_you | but... |
| 04:03.46 | mikedep333 | hey, a while ago I said: |
| 04:03.46 | mikedep333 | hey, I'm trying to get canola2 to run on diablo. What arguments do I use with canola-cleaner (or canola-cleanup-launcher? |
| 04:03.51 | rm_you | i am putting together a package called "rotation-support" |
| 04:03.57 | mikedep333 | yigal: my problem is that the videos doesn't show up in the main menu |
| 04:04.00 | rm_you | which is, hopefully, a ONE CLICK |
| 04:04.08 | mikedep333 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21820 |
| 04:04.10 | rm_you | mikedep333: why are you using canola cleaner? |
| 04:04.23 | rm_you | mikedep333: i think you need to go to settings first and set up watched video directories, and then do a scan |
| 04:04.40 | rm_you | mikedep333: i believe canola-cleaner is designed to REMOVE canola (i thought) |
| 04:04.46 | mikedep333 | rm_you:I have youtube plugin installed |
| 04:04.48 | mikedep333 | oh |
| 04:04.59 | mikedep333 | and I have one video in a watched directory |
| 04:05.07 | mikedep333 | the default OS 2008 one I think |
| 04:05.11 | rm_you | you may want to just do "dpkg --purge canola*" |
| 04:05.18 | mikedep333 | good idea, thanks |
| 04:05.22 | rm_you | and reinstall it all |
| 04:05.33 | johnx | rm_you, I know...but I agree with Nokia that I think it's important for people to realize "gee, I'm replacing core libraries with other stuff, maybe if I have no idea what I'm doing this isn't the best idea" |
| 04:05.34 | rm_you | GAN800: anyway, your thoughts? |
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| 04:06.15 | rm_you | johnx: yes, but annoying as heck for developers who are trying to make cool stuff available for users that are like "this is so confusing WTF please just let me click something so i can rotate!" |
| 04:06.15 | GAN800 | It doesn't bother me for the rotation stuff |
| 04:06.22 | mikedep333 | it doesn't like canola* |
| 04:06.32 | GAN800 | everybody installs it without knowing what it is anyway. |
| 04:06.36 | rm_you | mikedep333: you probably have something that matches that regexp in the current directory |
| 04:06.37 | mikedep333 | how do I list all the canola packages so I can use dpkg --purge with them? |
| 04:06.37 | rm_you | try |
| 04:06.46 | rm_you | dpkg --purge "canola*" |
| 04:06.48 | rm_you | with the quotes |
| 04:06.53 | mikedep333 | ok |
| 04:07.12 | mikedep333 | no luck |
| 04:07.55 | rm_you | with the dpkg command? |
| 04:07.57 | rm_you | hrm |
| 04:08.04 | mikedep333 | nm |
| 04:08.08 | mikedep333 | I used dpkg --list |
| 04:08.13 | mikedep333 | I wil specify them manually |
| 04:09.56 | mikedep333 | wait |
| 04:09.59 | GAN800 | johnx, for certain things I'd agree, but for rotation support, well, how many people have had real issues with it? |
| 04:10.14 | mikedep333 | is there a way to dpkg --purge canola2 (and have it remove everything that depends on it?) |
| 04:10.20 | rm_you | well,t he problem is, once you opent he door for that |
| 04:11.00 | rm_you | wow, having issues with my spacebar |
| 04:11.03 | GAN800 | Meh, I think packagers are generally responsible enough. |
| 04:11.23 | GAN800 | what's the procedure on a real distro? |
| 04:11.25 | johnx | GAN800, but unlocking doesn't just apply to rotation support |
| 04:12.13 | johnx | GAN800, they don't have set version depends. but they also don't have much need for 3rd party repos |
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| 04:14.01 | GAN800 | Well, people providing and using 3rd party repos should experience negative effects. |
| 04:14.11 | GAN800 | ;) |
| 04:14.52 | johnx | yeah, but ubuntu tends not to reboot-loop and if all else fails you can pull your hard drive and read it on a different computer or boot from CD |
| 04:15.07 | johnx | the embedded world is a little different, and OS200x is a fragile distro |
| 04:15.29 | rm_you | yeah |
| 04:15.41 | rm_you | i sort of see that being bad... |
| 04:16.00 | rm_you | because once you install unlocked for rotation, the next time they update, EVERYTHING unlocked will get pulled in |
| 04:16.26 | johnx | everyone just needs a "Step 0: You need to unlock. Click here for the explanation, then click here for N800 or here for N810" |
| 04:16.37 | johnx | everyone can cut and paste the same line in their instructions |
| 04:16.44 | johnx | hell, we could make a wiki page about it |
| 04:16.49 | johnx | I'll even write it |
| 04:17.10 | rm_you | but i think the point is that anyone that installs my package or any package that requires it, WANTS that package, and will be unlocked anyway, we may as well make it easy |
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| 04:17.22 | rm_you | its not like we're making it install stealthily on every random package |
| 04:17.34 | rm_you | only the ones that REALLY require unlocked |
| 04:18.32 | johnx | sometimes an explicit step is enough to make people realize "maybe this is out of my depth" |
| 04:18.35 | rm_you | so if we figure, user A wants to install rotation support, user A will try to install it on apt, it won't work due to locked, they'll spend 20 minutes on IRC or forums, find out how to fix it, and unlock manually |
| 04:18.39 | rm_you | or we may as well just do it for them |
| 04:18.45 | rm_you | well |
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| 04:18.53 | rm_you | most users won't care |
| 04:19.05 | johnx | it's one line of text at the top of each post...not that hard |
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| 04:19.27 | rm_you | i know when i was in that stage, i was less likely to actually read those dialogs than i am now that i actually know what's going on and really MEAN "yes go ahead" |
| 04:19.49 | rm_you | but we dont want it to need to be a post, we want it to be "apt-get install rotation-support" and be done |
| 04:20.59 | rm_you | i agree there are some issues, and that the way it is done is *JUST PLAIN WRONG* from a debian packaging point of view (I think a hardcore debian packager would strangle me to death while having a heart attack) |
| 04:21.06 | rm_you | but i think in the end, it is what needs to be done |
| 04:21.10 | rm_you | unless someone hacks apt |
| 04:21.14 | rm_you | which, like i said, i may just do :P |
| 04:22.54 | rm_you | mmm |
| 04:22.56 | rm_you | apt-get source apt |
| 04:22.58 | johnx | I see your point, but I think most people find apps on itt or downloads.maemo.org where there is some way to tell them, you have to unlock first, click here: |
| 04:23.06 | rm_you | <_< |
| 04:23.22 | johnx | and they don't use apt anyways, they click install files |
| 04:23.41 | rm_you | i still think 100% of the users who want any of the packages that would auto-install it WOULD manually install it anyway and be slightly annoyed at the requirement |
| 04:23.41 | johnx | adding one more click won't kill them and it makes it clear that unlocking is an explicit choice |
| 04:24.11 | johnx | and by doing that they explicitly accept the problems it may cause |
| 04:24.40 | rm_you | or we just say you explicitly accept the consequences for this next to the link for the package that includes it :P |
| 04:24.51 | khertan_ | and multiple dialog in pre-install script package ? |
| 04:25.14 | rm_you | off-topic thought: i'm thinking if I do go to the summit, I can do a lightning panel on "Getting Involved: Everyone is an Asset" |
| 04:25.33 | johnx | rm_you, but the point is to make them realize "hey this is something different, maybe my problem is with this "unlocked" thing, not something rotation support did" |
| 04:25.51 | rm_you | on how anyone, anywhere, with any amount of knowledge, can get involved in helping with maemo tasks |
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| 04:26.44 | rm_you | and give morale boosting examples based on my own experience on how easy it is to get involved, and suggestions for things people of different knowledge levels and skillsets can start with |
| 04:27.17 | rm_you | the only problem i forsee with this, is this may be the kind of summit where the only people there ARE the people already involved >_> |
| 04:27.19 | rm_you | so i'm not sure |
| 04:27.27 | rm_you | it's just a thought i'm playing with |
| 04:27.37 | rm_you | otherwise, not sure what i'd talk about |
| 04:27.43 | johnx | maybe a talk on how to help others get involved? |
| 04:27.46 | rm_you | ah |
| 04:27.49 | rm_you | yeah :P |
| 04:27.52 | johnx | :D |
| 04:28.02 | rm_you | though my track record with that may not be too good |
| 04:28.06 | johnx | makes coffee, will consider the unlocked problem more |
| 04:28.34 | rm_you | considering everyone i meet i try to get involved in maemo stuff (like, literally everyone, 100+ people) and so far i've gotten one person to buy one, and he doesnt really do anything |
| 04:28.45 | rm_you | <_< |
| 04:29.09 | rm_you | i tried to talk a cel phone salesman at the mall into buying an N800 :P |
| 04:29.25 | rm_you | he was at the nokia booth so i was like, what the hell why not :P |
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| 04:29.45 | rm_you | johnx: I love milk tea, so much <_< |
| 04:29.52 | rm_you | and CC Lemon |
| 04:30.02 | rm_you | I should have you ship me cases of CC Lemon |
| 04:30.12 | johnx | :D |
| 04:30.15 | rm_you | it's soooo cheap there compared to here with import inflation >_> |
| 04:30.20 | johnx | I'll have to find where to get it in bulk |
| 04:30.36 | rm_you | well, milk tea... CC lemon i could only find in those TINY bottles that are sold as like, health drinks |
| 04:30.40 | rm_you | not in the big bottles |
| 04:30.57 | rm_you | so it is ridiculously and prohibitively expensive :( |
| 04:31.14 | rm_you | Milktea is 4.69 for the 100ml bottles that we were buying there for like 120Y |
| 04:31.16 | rm_you | >_< |
| 04:32.20 | johnx | nah, it was still 200Y+ for those :P |
| 04:32.27 | johnx | wait, 100 or 1000? |
| 04:34.00 | derf | I was never a big milktea fan. |
| 04:34.13 | derf | But CC Lemon = <3 |
| 04:35.37 | johnx | agreed |
| 04:35.56 | johnx | I miss lemon/lime slice a little though |
| 04:35.59 | derf | But the real problem is this country does not have enough Beard Papa's. |
| 04:36.08 | johnx | heh |
| 04:36.13 | rm_you | lol |
| 04:36.15 | johnx | which is funny cause I miss dunkin donuts |
| 04:36.20 | derf | What?! |
| 04:36.29 | johnx | and krispy creme |
| 04:36.34 | rm_you | CC Lemon was amazing... I drank like 3 cartons of that a day sometimes |
| 04:36.40 | derf | Go to Tokyo, they have Krispy Kreme. |
| 04:36.41 | johnx | derf, yeah, I know, I must be broken :P |
| 04:36.44 | rm_you | I actually liked Mister Donut >_> |
| 04:36.49 | derf | They are _exactly_ the same as in North Carolina. |
| 04:36.52 | rm_you | I must be odd |
| 04:36.53 | derf | Mister Donut is awesome. |
| 04:36.56 | rm_you | :P |
| 04:37.01 | derf | <3 maccha doughnuts. |
| 04:37.02 | johnx | I do like mister donut |
| 04:37.05 | rm_you | IIRC johnx and company didnt like em? |
| 04:37.13 | johnx | macha-choco old fashioned FTW |
| 04:37.18 | rm_you | ok.. apparently i remember incorrectly |
| 04:37.21 | derf | johnx: YES! |
| 04:37.37 | johnx | rm_you, I didn't used to, then I found good donuts there |
| 04:37.45 | rm_you | :P |
| 04:38.01 | derf | The angel heart crullers or whatever they were called were pretty damn good too. |
| 04:38.11 | johnx | now I have a freaking point card ... |
| 04:38.25 | rm_you | johnx: errr 1.5L |
| 04:38.30 | derf | _I_ have a freaking point card, and I've been in the country a total of 3 weeks. |
| 04:38.39 | rm_you | :P |
| 04:38.44 | rm_you | Pointo Cardo? :P |
| 04:38.46 | rm_you | <3 |
| 04:39.04 | rm_you | Daijobu :P |
| 04:39.04 | johnx | they put a mister donut right next to where I work ... truly dangerous |
| 04:39.11 | rm_you | lol nice |
| 04:41.01 | rm_you | i remember one of the girls in the bakery at the main store we went to that would get very embarrassed and flustered because she knew i didn't understand her so she didn't know what to do :P |
| 04:41.16 | derf | The first time I was there, there was a Beard Papa right next to the train station by where I was staying. |
| 04:41.32 | derf | Meaning I'd pass it at least twice a day... |
| 04:41.32 | rm_you | and then i'd just hand her money for what the register said and she would snap out of it :P |
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| 04:42.01 | rm_you | dont think i ever saw a Beard Papa |
| 04:42.08 | derf | You missed out. |
| 04:42.24 | johnx | I'll try beard papa next time I see one |
| 04:42.40 | johnx | what should I try there? |
| 04:42.42 | derf | Kyou no higawari kudasai! |
| 04:43.22 | derf | johnx: They only serve like five things. They are all delicious. |
| 04:43.51 | derf | Well, at least in Japan. |
| 04:44.11 | derf | The Beard Papa I found in Melbourne had a whole bunch of non-cream puff things on the menu. |
| 04:45.09 | derf | And at least one of the ones in New York was like an entire Japanese restaurant, with just the cream puffs off to one side. |
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| 04:45.17 | derf | But in Japan they've all been just cream puffs. |
| 04:45.44 | johnx | yeah, that reminds me why I haven't bought anything there yet. I'm not too big on cream puffs... |
| 04:45.50 | johnx | I'll try it though |
| 04:45.57 | johnx | tries anything once |
| 04:46.14 | derf | You're right, you must be broken. |
| 04:46.17 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, love the "Getting people involved" idea. |
| 04:46.22 | rm_you | aww... <3 cream puffs |
| 04:46.28 | rm_you | i need to go back for Beard Papa alone :P |
| 04:46.48 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: though I am very afraid that at a Maemo Summit, it will be all major contributers already <_< |
| 04:47.00 | GeneralAntilles | Seems likely. |
| 04:47.06 | derf | I'll probably be back to hike Fuji-san at some point, but Beard Papa will definitely be involved somewhere. |
| 04:47.12 | rm_you | it's not like the generic ones that have a bunch of random people |
| 04:48.08 | GeneralAntilles | The "getting people involved" direction would be more useful for the Maemo Summit audience. |
| 04:48.14 | rm_you | yeah |
| 04:48.22 | GeneralAntilles | As hard as I've worked on that, I can't really say I have any good suggestions. :\ |
| 04:48.26 | rm_you | would need to come up with some actual material for that |
| 04:48.28 | rm_you | yeah... |
| 04:48.34 | GeneralAntilles | "Get a random whacko to edit wikipedia" |
| 04:48.41 | GeneralAntilles | ^ that'll generate interest |
| 04:48.43 | rm_you | in 5 minutes of thinking i had a decent plan for a 9 minute setting on Getting Involved |
| 04:48.47 | rm_you | that would actually be pretty awesome |
| 04:48.51 | rm_you | but, yeah... |
| 04:48.51 | GeneralAntilles | But that's about the extent of my successes |
| 04:49.09 | GeneralAntilles | The rest of them are just people that were headed that direction anyway, I just gave them a little kick in the pants. |
| 04:49.41 | GeneralAntilles | I've had plenty of success selling the things. |
| 04:49.50 | rm_you | heh |
| 04:49.53 | GeneralAntilles | I'm up to . . . 7 people or so |
| 04:50.04 | GeneralAntilles | That I've directly sold |
| 04:50.06 | rm_you | yeah, just sold one :/ |
| 04:50.08 | GeneralAntilles | more indirectly, probably. |
| 04:50.14 | rm_you | I had three other people thinking... |
| 04:50.15 | rm_you | but none bit |
| 04:50.18 | rm_you | two went eeePC |
| 04:50.26 | johnx | rm_you, did I tel you to buy one or not? |
| 04:50.26 | rm_you | one just bought a plasma TV :P |
| 04:50.28 | johnx | I don't remember |
| 04:50.38 | rm_you | johnx: i think you suggested it yes :P you can go ahead and count me |
| 04:50.56 | t_s_o | heh, anyone familiar with browserd? |
| 04:51.18 | rm_you | i think if you hadnt told me it existed and that you had one, i wouldn't have been so enthusiastic about getting one |
| 04:51.31 | rm_you | i like hacking with you :P |
| 04:51.42 | GeneralAntilles | t_s_o, what's the question? |
| 04:52.05 | t_s_o | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21966 |
| 04:53.16 | GeneralAntilles | t_s_o, never seen that. . . . |
| 04:57.46 | t_s_o | thing is im not sure if its browserd, or something deeper. that list of exports im seeing is whats confusing me, that and my attempt at reinstalling browserd to no effect... |
| 05:01.56 | johnx | t_s_o, did you install a different shell? what have you installed recently? |
| 05:02.01 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 05:02.14 | t_s_o | johnx: nope, using the default diablo one |
| 05:02.25 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, that's a good step one. What was the last thing you did before it started happening. |
| 05:02.41 | t_s_o | watched browser crash on a webpage? |
| 05:03.07 | GeneralAntilles | You've rebooted, I assume? |
| 05:03.07 | t_s_o | beyond that its personal launcher, but noone else is reporting anything like it so... |
| 05:03.30 | t_s_o | more then ones to see if i could get browserd back up |
| 05:04.00 | GeneralAntilles | Purge ~/.mozilla ? |
| 05:04.51 | t_s_o | have not gone that far yet, but i have tried to move the microb sub-dir, no effect |
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| 05:07.12 | t_s_o | just purged .mozilla, no change |
| 05:08.29 | GeneralAntilles | got some great shots tonight. |
| 05:08.37 | GeneralAntilles | http://flickr.com/photos/27350547@N06/2670666196/ Did a night version of that. |
| 05:09.12 | t_s_o | btw, im seeing 2 browserd processes in load-applet, thats common, right? |
| 05:09.20 | GeneralAntilles | Right |
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| 05:10.05 | t_s_o | hmm, i may have killed both at some point, but im not sure if i did it before or after the problem showed up. i think i did it after to see if it would help... |
| 05:12.58 | johnx | anyways, that shouldn't do it |
| 05:13.13 | johnx | it sounds like something is really wrong |
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| 05:13.28 | johnx | can you put up the pastebin result of what happens when you run "root" |
| 05:13.37 | johnx | I'd be surprised if these weren't related |
| 05:16.23 | t_s_o | http://pastebin.org/51731 |
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| 05:19.11 | johnx | but everything else works ok? |
| 05:19.22 | johnx | maybe some problem with the profile for root? |
| 05:19.58 | t_s_o | well i noticed just now that i got a similar amount of text on screen when logging in via ssh, but this time for user |
| 05:20.11 | t_s_o | but yes, everything else seems to work as it should |
| 05:24.48 | johnx | maybe /etc/profile then? |
| 05:24.56 | t_s_o | may be |
| 05:25.39 | t_s_o | that seems to point mostly to af-defines.sh |
| 05:26.17 | johnx | uhm, it shouldn't I think |
| 05:26.38 | johnx | hmm, let me check mine |
| 05:26.57 | johnx | nm, mine does too |
| 05:27.32 | johnx | here's my /etc/profile http://pastebin.com/m68697bae |
| 05:28.14 | t_s_o | looks the same as the one here... |
| 05:28.16 | GAN800 | Maybe af-defines.sh is messed up? |
| 05:28.40 | Proteous | got some NES controllers for my diabolical project, MUHAHAHAHAA |
| 05:28.51 | t_s_o | may be, looking at tablet-browser-daemon in init.d it seems to call on the same file |
| 05:29.22 | t_s_o | ugh, that file is "huge" |
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| 05:30.34 | GAN800 | Coerced johnx into putting his somewhere where you can do a diff. :D |
| 05:31.05 | johnx | t_s_o, I'll md5sum mine |
| 05:31.15 | GAN800 | s/Coerced/Coerce/ |
| 05:31.26 | johnx | 7de3dfb63acef3b621773f833badeb01 |
| 05:32.26 | t_s_o | hrmf, seems i dont have it available or something... |
| 05:33.18 | johnx | aaah, er right |
| 05:35.15 | t_s_o | one moment |
| 05:36.01 | t_s_o | gah, forget that. i did a quick search of apt, it pointed med to coreutils, but installing that would rip out a lot of osso packages :P |
| 05:36.17 | johnx | yeah, you probably don't want that :) |
| 05:37.44 | GAN800 | and make it unbootable |
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| 05:38.06 | GAN800 | really hopes switching to coreutils will happen by Fremantle. |
| 05:38.13 | johnx | ah well, here it is on pastebin: http://pastebin.com/m3d82a426 |
| 05:38.28 | johnx | GAN800, yeah, you probably don't want that :) |
| 05:38.37 | t_s_o | heh, copied the file from tablet to pc, checksum looks the same... |
| 05:38.45 | johnx | ah, ok |
| 05:38.57 | t_s_o | just had to do the scp from pc not tablet... |
| 05:39.08 | GAN800 | The reasons for using busybox are gone. |
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| 05:39.34 | Italodance | :) morning |
| 05:39.41 | johnx | GAN800, uhm, what? small amounts of flash? not that much memory? a processor with finite speed? |
| 05:39.52 | Italodance | IT MUST BE THE SAME PSP! |
| 05:40.32 | Italodance | We Need game developers |
| 05:40.36 | GAN800 | johnx, for the 770 that applied, but for OMAP2 and 3? No. |
| 05:40.49 | johnx | GAN800, run debian for a while. :P |
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| 05:41.20 | GAN800 | johnx, as soon as the DE works as well as OS2008 |
| 05:41.22 | johnx | plus, the next tablet will be aimed even more at consumers. There's no reason to switch to coreutils really. I'd be happy with a sane system for diverts though |
| 05:41.37 | johnx | GAN800, what I'm saying is it is noticeably slower |
| 05:41.55 | johnx | Italodance, so learn to program and make a game. :P |
| 05:41.59 | GAN800 | is that due to coreutils? |
| 05:42.24 | Italodance | johnx why us! maemo and nokia are lazy! |
| 05:42.37 | GAN800 | eyeroll |
| 05:42.56 | GAN800 | Italodance gfto of here with that trash. |
| 05:43.16 | johnx | Italodance, Nokia made games and Maemo is Nokia *and* us... |
| 05:44.16 | johnx | GAN800, yeah, bash and coreutils are slower and bigger. and 600MHz and 128MB of RAM is still a "small" system by today's standards. |
| 05:44.51 | t_s_o | anyways, im running out of ideas here... |
| 05:45.21 | GAN800 | Freaks me out that a handheld will have a faster CPU than the iBook on the shelf here. |
| 05:46.20 | t_s_o | and use less battery at peak ;) |
| 05:46.42 | Italodance | johnx that's not enough |
| 05:47.01 | Italodance | we need professional games like psp |
| 05:47.18 | GAN800 | For an internet tablet? . . . |
| 05:47.38 | t_s_o | Italodance: if so, it also need more game-friendly inputs... |
| 05:47.46 | johnx | Italodance, ok. What is your plan to solve this problem? |
| 05:47.50 | t_s_o | and no, a thumbs keyboard dont really count... |
| 05:48.41 | GAN800 | t_s_o Wiimote is pretty cool for that in a geeky sort of way. :D |
| 05:48.41 | Italodance | johnx we need psp (sony) Designers |
| 05:48.51 | Italodance | maybe they can help to nokia |
| 05:48.56 | rm_you | ack |
| 05:48.58 | GAN800 | lol. . . . |
| 05:49.01 | rm_you | keep sony away from my device! |
| 05:49.01 | johnx | Italodance, they aren't in this channel. Maybe you should talk to them |
| 05:49.04 | Italodance | nokia can have a deal with them |
| 05:49.07 | rm_you | gets out his crosses and garlic |
| 05:49.20 | t_s_o | GAN800: read about the new addon that the wiimote will get? extra sensors so that it really knows where it is in 3d space ;) |
| 05:49.22 | Italodance | johnx i am talking about nokia |
| 05:49.46 | GAN800 | t_s_o, gyroscopic accelerometers? |
| 05:49.53 | rm_you | sony will help make another company's device into a direct competitor? doubtful |
| 05:50.01 | GAN800 | That'd makes it so much cooler. |
| 05:50.09 | Italodance | yes |
| 05:50.10 | johnx | Italodance, look at the Sony Mylo. It's a similar device by sony, and it has no games. |
| 05:50.13 | t_s_o | not sure GAN800, all i know it that it will be a small box thats plugged into the back of the wiimote |
| 05:50.15 | Italodance | that's a nice idea |
| 05:50.23 | GAN800 | interesting |
| 05:50.38 | Italodance | .... |
| 05:51.05 | rm_you | I really need a USB stick install of ubuntu for my tablet |
| 05:51.30 | johnx | rm_you, I was about to stab you until I realized you meant your TabletPC |
| 05:51.31 | Italodance | rm_you is it possible? |
| 05:51.39 | rm_you | lol |
| 05:51.40 | GAN800 | Ubuntu? . . . |
| 05:51.41 | rm_you | TabletPC |
| 05:51.43 | Stskeeps | johnx: that's not insanely impossible though |
| 05:51.47 | GAN800 | Hahaha |
| 05:51.51 | rm_you | sorry |
| 05:51.54 | rm_you | forgot where i was :P |
| 05:51.55 | Italodance | well i called my device as TabletPC too |
| 05:51.59 | GAN800 | We all got out our knives. |
| 05:52.04 | Stskeeps | bootmenu supports booting off usb hdd so and i have a ubuntu image |
| 05:52.04 | Stskeeps | ,) |
| 05:52.09 | Stskeeps | ;) |
| 05:52.16 | rm_you | lol |
| 05:52.36 | johnx | Stskeeps, it's not impossible, but I just got tired of people on ITT asking for ubuntu and ignoring debian |
| 05:52.40 | rm_you | i'm glad we weren't all in the same room, i might be dead by now |
| 05:52.48 | GAN800 | Ha |
| 05:52.58 | GAN800 | rm_you == ganked |
| 05:53.17 | Italodance | johnx do u know the official chan of psp? |
| 05:53.26 | GAN800 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:54.38 | johnx | Italodance, I have no idea |
| 05:54.41 | Italodance | btw on maemo.org MPlayer 1.0rc1-maemo.29.n8x0 was FAKE!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 05:54.51 | johnx | Italodance, no it wasn't |
| 05:54.53 | Italodance | yes FAKE! |
| 05:54.56 | GAN800 | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 05:55.00 | GAN800 | MPLAYER |
| 05:55.06 | rm_you | wtf though, ubuntu is lieing to me on my tabletpc, says i have sound drivers up and working, but i'm trying my hardest to get even a peep out of the speakers |
| 05:55.06 | Italodance | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/mplayer/ |
| 05:55.15 | GAN800 | MPLAYER IZ UH PHONEY!!!!!!!!!! |
| 05:55.19 | Italodance | FAKE! we don't have 29 yet,even 28! |
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| 05:55.27 | GAN800 | FAAAAKEEEEEE |
| 05:55.32 | johnx | ahahaha |
| 05:55.39 | Stskeeps | late night crazies on #maemo? :P |
| 05:55.48 | johnx | I knew it would happen eventually. GeneralAntilles finally flipped |
| 05:56.04 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, I'm in an evil mood. ;) |
| 05:56.05 | johnx | rm_you, install gamix and play with it |
| 05:56.10 | rm_you | ah? |
| 05:56.26 | johnx | rm_you, latest ubuntu seems to have some sound issues or something |
| 05:57.10 | rm_you | >_> |
| 05:57.56 | rm_you | wow the gamix interface looks horrible |
| 05:58.35 | johnx | yeah, quite painful, but it works |
| 05:58.42 | rm_you | >_> |
| 05:59.43 | rm_you | wow no, nothing |
| 05:59.44 | rm_you | lame |
| 05:59.53 | rm_you | i should go back to gutsy, it worked way better IMO |
| 06:00.02 | rm_you | hardy was a big disappointment for me in general |
| 06:00.19 | johnx | works fine here |
| 06:00.25 | johnx | shrugs |
| 06:01.12 | GAN800 | There was a charger in this room 2 months ago. . . . |
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| 06:06.32 | rm_you | how can i find out what is using a module so i can rmmod it? |
| 06:06.47 | rm_you | i need to reload my snd-hda-intel module >_> |
| 06:07.11 | rm_you | i wonder if i can boot from SD card on this thing... that would be ideal |
| 06:07.16 | johnx | rm_you, prolly pulseaudio |
| 06:08.20 | rm_you | >_> |
| 06:09.23 | rm_you | nopee |
| 06:09.26 | rm_you | still more using it |
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| 06:09.36 | rm_you | qwerty12: yo |
| 06:09.43 | qwerty12 | hey rm_you |
| 06:10.57 | GAN800 | qwerty12, announcement yet? :D |
| 06:11.32 | qwerty12 | GAN800: Will do soon, I'm just not sure that the install file is working >.< |
| 06:11.37 | GAN800 | Extras is getting fairly win lately. |
| 06:11.49 | GAN800 | Ah, yeah, that's a pain. :/ |
| 06:12.11 | rm_you | qwerty12 / GAN800: http://slexy.org/view/s20cPCbhhr |
| 06:12.12 | GAN800 | I bet X-Fade could probably stick on up manually if it came to it. |
| 06:13.26 | qwerty12 | The install file works on my computer but not on my tablet >.<. I'll try again and see if it works now :) |
| 06:13.31 | qwerty12 | rm_you: nice :) |
| 06:13.47 | GAN800 | sweet |
| 06:14.02 | rm_you | http://slexy.org/view/s20XlDA1g8 |
| 06:14.16 | rm_you | so, that is the reason it is a bit ugly... |
| 06:14.31 | rm_you | it installs the correct unlocked package, but as you can see, it is done in the background, not via apt |
| 06:14.45 | rm_you | so it doesnt notify you of a package it is technically installing as part of that operation |
| 06:14.57 | rm_you | scroll to the bottom of the second paste to see the new stuff |
| 06:14.58 | GAN800 | I'm suprised there's not an existing method for hardware-based logic. . . |
| 06:15.08 | rm_you | GAN800: the other option is I make a patch for apyt |
| 06:15.09 | rm_you | *apt |
| 06:15.13 | rm_you | that maybe gets pushed upstream |
| 06:15.18 | rm_you | specifically to make that choice |
| 06:15.39 | GAN800 | I mean, this situation can't have never been encountered. |
| 06:16.03 | GAN800 | Did you check with any knowledgable Debian packagers? |
| 06:16.20 | rm_you | don't really know any |
| 06:16.49 | rm_you | johnx mentioned some things he thought were supposed to work, but they haven't worked that way AFAIK, so i dunno |
| 06:17.32 | GAN800 | #debian? |
| 06:18.07 | rm_you | explaining the situation precisely so they know what i'm talking about may be above my head |
| 06:18.37 | rm_you | and i keep being tempted to fall into the "Any deb packaging experts here?" trap before trying to explain what is probably three screens of text >_< |
| 06:19.00 | Italodance | Doomsday.UNRATED.DVDRip.XviD-LMG |
| 06:19.02 | Italodance | :D |
| 06:19.16 | rm_you | i keep thinking "JUST ASK THE QUESTION!" but i can't help but think that yes, this situations is one of the unique ones >_> |
| 06:19.43 | rm_you | because i would probably have to give the explanation in a pastebin or else get accused of spamming :P |
| 06:19.52 | GAN800 | lol |
| 06:20.21 | rm_you | but anyway, you think the current method COULD be workable? |
| 06:20.29 | GAN800 | Well, can't hurt to try. |
| 06:20.37 | rm_you | i want to ask a few more of the hardcore dev people here, like lardman and lcuk, when they wake up |
| 06:20.43 | GAN800 | maybe con johnx into doing it for you. |
| 06:20.48 | rm_you | lol |
| 06:20.55 | GAN800 | lol |
| 06:21.00 | johnx | I just think there should be a way to do this |
| 06:21.01 | GAN800 | don't ask lcuk |
| 06:21.05 | rm_you | lol |
| 06:21.06 | johnx | but I can't think of another package that does it... |
| 06:21.09 | GAN800 | He don't do packaging. ;) |
| 06:21.13 | rm_you | yeah but |
| 06:21.20 | rm_you | whether he thinks the solution is acceptable |
| 06:21.24 | GAN800 | Talk to X-Fade and Jaffa. |
| 06:21.28 | rm_you | that's what i want to ask :P |
| 06:21.36 | rm_you | just if they think they could use it |
| 06:21.59 | rm_you | all you do is make your package Depend on osso-software-version-unlocked and it works automagically |
| 06:22.13 | rm_you | i should possibly name it different tho |
| 06:22.40 | GAN800 | Definitely |
| 06:22.48 | rm_you | "osso-software-version-unlocked-chooser" or "osso-software-version-generic-unlocked-" |
| 06:22.52 | rm_you | dunno |
| 06:23.02 | GAN800 | software-version-unlocked-installer? |
| 06:23.13 | rm_you | software-version-unlocker? |
| 06:23.21 | GAN800 | Like that |
| 06:23.29 | qwerty12 | All I know is that Nokia depend on osso-software-version-variant because their osso-software-version-rx*4 provides that. |
| 06:23.36 | GAN800 | (I) |
| 06:23.38 | rm_you | yeah... |
| 06:24.27 | rm_you | hrm time to find out if i can boot from mmc |
| 06:24.43 | qwerty12 | If the problem is that apt doesn't show the osso-software-version-rx*4-unlocked being installed, can't you just fake the lines that apt would display? |
| 06:25.22 | johnx | headed out for a while, rm_you: I'll think about this for a while, just give me a little time |
| 06:25.34 | rm_you | kk |
| 06:25.36 | rm_you | later |
| 06:25.47 | rm_you | qwerty12: LOL |
| 06:25.54 | qwerty12 | :P |
| 06:25.57 | qwerty12 | (I would :P) |
| 06:25.58 | GAN800 | NOTIME!NOTIME! |
| 06:26.32 | rm_you | qwerty12: I want it to be doable in app manager |
| 06:26.41 | rm_you | where they would see much of anything anyway, i guess |
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| 06:32.55 | befr0d_ | this is probably not completly related to maemo, but is there a way to 'mute' a flash app? |
| 06:33.10 | qwerty12 | Ah, the rootsh install file is working when I'm using http instead of https to access maemo.org. Not sure why that is but anyway... |
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| 06:39.41 | rm_you | ONO |
| 06:39.54 | rm_you | I just thought it... |
| 06:40.35 | rm_you | "Wow, my n800 is working perfectly! ... Wow, it is working way too well... There are no problems at all." |
| 06:40.41 | rm_you | Now it is doomed to explode. |
| 06:40.50 | qwerty12 | Tick Tock |
| 06:41.04 | GAN800 | lol |
| 06:41.22 | GAN800 | rm_you's electronics hate him. |
| 06:41.30 | qwerty12 | hehe |
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| 06:41.43 | rm_you | i need a pic of my current setup :P sec |
| 06:47.18 | rm_you | lol: http://www.ageofikon.info/current_desk.jpg |
| 06:47.24 | rm_you | not as awesome as my last setup :( |
| 06:47.30 | rm_you | but i like it |
| 06:47.41 | rm_you | you're down to 4 screens GAN? |
| 06:47.41 | qwerty12 | Yep, an "Forbidden" setup sounds soo good |
| 06:47.47 | rm_you | :/ |
| 06:48.06 | qwerty12 | "You don't have permission to access /current_desk.jpg on this server." :P |
| 06:48.06 | GAN800 | No, I'm up to 5. |
| 06:48.59 | rm_you | weird |
| 06:49.00 | rm_you | fixed |
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| 06:50.16 | rm_you | you can *almost* see my aim contacts :P |
| 06:50.17 | rm_you | almost :P |
| 06:50.34 | tank-man | i have the same software as CSI |
| 06:50.44 | tank-man | i can zoom in and enhance |
| 06:50.51 | GAN800 | Ha |
| 06:50.54 | rm_you | even they don't have that software :P |
| 06:50.57 | rm_you | pft |
| 06:51.27 | GAN800 | What would Hollywood do without their flawed understanding of technology? |
| 06:51.58 | Stskeeps | GAN800: start a UI design company? |
| 06:51.58 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 06:52.06 | qwerty12 | http://www.uploadgeek.com/uploads456/1/ipv45.png |
| 06:53.37 | rm_you | they really should |
| 06:54.02 | rm_you | I *still* look forward to a UI like in Minority Report |
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| 06:55.21 | GAN800 | Wii has that sort of feel |
| 06:55.37 | qwerty12 | Mine doesn't :( |
| 06:55.43 | GAN800 | I wish they would let you type with two controllers. |
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| 06:59.17 | rm_you | qwerty12: have you looked at the mplayer rotation issue at all? |
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| 06:59.49 | qwerty12 | rm_you: I'm not a programmer, I'm just a very simple patch porter :) |
| 06:59.54 | rm_you | lol |
| 07:00.01 | t_s_o | hmm, wii uses bluetooth right? does it support hid? |
| 07:00.04 | qwerty12 | mplayer works in inverse mode fine though :/ |
| 07:00.08 | rm_you | I guess I will... |
| 07:00.27 | GAN800 | t_s_o, should. |
| 07:00.41 | t_s_o | i think logitech have a interesting keyboard then ;) |
| 07:00.47 | qwerty12 | Anyway, bye. |
| 07:01.03 | GAN800 | Hadn't considered that. |
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| 07:01.10 | GAN800 | That would be nice. |
| 07:01.25 | GAN800 | Hopefully cheaper than the Apple board. |
| 07:02.22 | t_s_o | http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboard/devices/3848 |
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| 07:02.36 | t_s_o | heh, maybe not the cheapest tho ;) |
| 07:02.50 | tank-man | the mini keyboard? |
| 07:03.07 | t_s_o | yep |
| 07:03.21 | t_s_o | altho i guess one could go for one of the fullsized ones to |
| 07:03.36 | GAN800 | that would be so cool if only ut were under $100 |
| 07:04.32 | RST38h | ga: got a bt keyboard? |
| 07:04.44 | GAN800 | iGo |
| 07:05.03 | RST38h | ga: comment on bug 3359 please |
| 07:05.12 | GAN800 | already did |
| 07:05.14 | RST38h | or they will close it |
| 07:05.17 | RST38h | thanks |
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| 07:05.39 | GAN800 | Eh, they're not dictators. ;) |
| 07:05.40 | tank-man | key repeats? |
| 07:05.49 | GAN800 | You can always reopend. |
| 07:06.02 | GAN800 | s/reopened/reopen/ |
| 07:06.16 | t_s_o | heh, glibc was it? |
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| 07:11.12 | RST38h | tsnk: delays and lost keys |
| 07:11.55 | RST38h | I suspect that the lost keys come from the small buffer size in apple kbd + delays |
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| 07:14.51 | hrw | elo |
| 07:15.47 | RST38h | ehlo hrw |
| 07:16.47 | hrw | 250 PIPELLING RST38h |
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| 07:28.50 | rm_you | maybe I should port some more things |
| 07:28.55 | rm_you | what is something that people want |
| 07:29.01 | rm_you | porting an app should be interesting |
| 07:29.11 | rm_you | and a good learning exercise |
| 07:29.23 | hrw | rm_you: indeed |
| 07:29.41 | hrw | rm_you: port Openmoko Dates to hildon |
| 07:29.45 | rm_you | hrm |
| 07:29.48 | rm_you | k will look into it |
| 07:30.15 | RST38h | port conky properly |
| 07:30.26 | RST38h | as a desktop applet |
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| 07:33.31 | rm_you | hrw: looks nice from screenshots, but where is the source held!? >_> |
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| 07:34.31 | rm_you | oh, it is pimloco |
| 07:34.37 | rm_you | i thought there was already a pimloco port |
| 07:35.24 | rm_you | their site already has a .install for os2008 >_> |
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| 07:40.07 | GAN800 | Hildonize Epiphany! |
| 07:40.52 | befr0d_ | what's pimloco? |
| 07:41.17 | GAN800 | ~google pimlico |
| 07:41.26 | GAN800 | too bad |
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| 07:42.19 | t_s_o | rm_you: their page say the latest version of contacts is 0.9, but the latest for maemo is 0.8, and i recall the release announcement said something about them not prioriticing maemo, they didnt even care about maemo specific bugs... |
| 07:42.34 | befr0d_ | I actually searched on google before asking, could not find a software related entry. going to try other keywords :P |
| 07:42.50 | rm_you | heh |
| 07:42.54 | rm_you | epiphany? pfft |
| 07:43.02 | rm_you | wait, are you NOT talking about the web browser? :P |
| 07:43.14 | rm_you | i recall there being two "epiphany" apps |
| 07:43.40 | Stskeeps | why is it again that python-avahi doesn't port? |
| 07:43.42 | GAN800 | web browset |
| 07:44.03 | GAN800 | I'd like a MicroB alternative with tabs and such that doesn't suck. |
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| 07:44.17 | rm_you | ... and you choose epiphany? >_> |
| 07:44.42 | t_s_o | :P |
| 07:45.31 | GAN800 | Meh, I don't know Linux browsers. |
| 07:45.41 | GAN800 | Pick whatever you like. ;) |
| 07:45.47 | rm_you | lol |
| 07:45.57 | GAN800 | But preferrably something WebKit |
| 07:46.03 | rm_you | i want to start out with something easy,,, |
| 07:46.13 | rm_you | so maybe i will try pimloco to start |
| 07:46.39 | befr0d_ | pimlico |
| 07:46.54 | XTLi | I think fixing the task switcher would be more useful than tabs |
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| 07:47.09 | XTLi | Since the wm isn't wimp crap |
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| 07:47.32 | rm_you | ? |
| 07:47.40 | rm_you | fixing the task switcher? |
| 07:47.41 | aquatix | yeah, i don't miss tabs in microb, while i use a lot in my desktop firefox |
| 07:47.53 | aquatix | rm_you: no, it doesn't need fixing :) |
| 07:48.01 | rm_you | lol |
| 07:48.02 | aquatix | that's why we don't need tabs in microb |
| 07:48.19 | aquatix | imho |
| 07:48.22 | t_s_o | i would love to see a option to open external links in new windows tho... |
| 07:48.42 | aquatix | t_s_o: long tap, open in new window? |
| 07:48.57 | t_s_o | aquatix: that works from inside modest? |
| 07:48.58 | GAN800 | Meh, I don't like the fiddling involed in switching to a new window |
| 07:49.09 | GAN800 | Way too many presses. |
| 07:49.12 | aquatix | t_s_o: er, modest already opens a new window i think |
| 07:49.17 | aquatix | but i might be mistaken |
| 07:49.25 | aquatix | the rss reader doesn't though |
| 07:49.48 | t_s_o | nor do modest in my experience |
| 07:50.05 | aquatix | hm, could be |
| 07:50.13 | t_s_o | but then right now i dont have a working browser at all so... |
| 07:50.21 | aquatix | claws mail does though |
| 07:50.29 | aquatix | so it's of course possible |
| 07:50.34 | aquatix | file a feature request :) |
| 07:50.53 | t_s_o | i think there is one allready |
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| 08:05.59 | rm_you | well, right when i decide to do some work, i lose my connection to my buildbox >_> |
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| 08:07.52 | sbaturzio | Aloha! |
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| 08:09.14 | rm_you | wow, so yeah, great... the server I tunnel through to get to my buildbox is down. >_< |
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| 08:15.44 | aquatix | rm_you: :( |
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| 08:16.02 | darkterror46 | greetings |
| 08:16.24 | rm_you | OMFG, Ultima Online in 1st person, with the Iris 3D Linux Client |
| 08:16.39 | rm_you | http://www.iris2.de/index.php/Image:300703.jpg |
| 08:18.15 | darkterror46 | could someone tellme how can i enable the execution of a.out files in the n810 term? |
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| 08:18.58 | aquatix | rm_you: neat |
| 08:19.15 | aquatix | darkterror46: make them executable? |
| 08:19.18 | aquatix | chmod +x a.out |
| 08:19.23 | rm_you | did you ever play UO? :P |
| 08:19.23 | aquatix | i guess that'd work |
| 08:19.45 | darkterror46 | :) |
| 08:19.46 | aquatix | rm_you: no, actually, but i thought it interesting |
| 08:20.06 | rm_you | :P |
| 08:20.18 | aquatix | refrains from playing such addictive games |
| 08:20.36 | aquatix | i've got enough computer-related addictions :) |
| 08:21.00 | darkterror46 | nope that doesn't work aquatix |
| 08:21.09 | darkterror46 | i still get permission denied |
| 08:21.39 | rm_you | hrm... |
| 08:21.40 | aquatix | compile them to a sensible binary? ;) |
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| 08:21.52 | rm_you | while [ true ]; do mplayer 01_nightwish-escapist_unreleased-amrc.mp3; done |
| 08:21.58 | rm_you | is that bad? >_> |
| 08:22.10 | rm_you | that's been running for like 2 hours :/ |
| 08:22.53 | rm_you | man I am bored when I don't have my buildbox >_> |
| 08:22.56 | darkterror46 | aquatix ok what is a sensible binary? do i need to cry? :) |
| 08:22.59 | aquatix | hm, is that a new track from them? |
| 08:23.01 | rm_you | I really should install scratchbox locally |
| 08:23.08 | rm_you | aquatix: was on ... errr |
| 08:23.38 | rm_you | Nightwish-Dark_Passion_Play-Limited_Boxset_Edition_Bonus_Disc-2007-AMRC |
| 08:23.39 | aquatix | as i don't have it :) |
| 08:23.43 | aquatix | ah yeah |
| 08:23.55 | rm_you | lol does EVERYONE in this channel listen to nightwish? :P |
| 08:24.00 | aquatix | i don't have an album from them since they switched their lead singer |
| 08:24.03 | rm_you | ah |
| 08:24.09 | rm_you | I like her |
| 08:24.16 | prometoys | hi, i tried to install scratchbox, but have this problem: "Scratchbox command '/scratchbox/sbin/sbox_adduser' is not executable." |
| 08:24.19 | aquatix | didn't hear her yet |
| 08:24.21 | sibbe | actually the effect of while [ true ] is exactly same as while [ false ] or even while [ maybe ] :) |
| 08:24.21 | rm_you | she isn't an opera singer, obviously, so their style changed |
| 08:24.29 | rm_you | but Amaranth is an excellent song |
| 08:24.31 | sibbe | it evaluates as a string |
| 08:24.47 | rm_you | sibbe: ah right, should have been `true` :P |
| 08:24.50 | rm_you | i think |
| 08:24.54 | rm_you | wait... |
| 08:24.59 | sibbe | just "while true" |
| 08:25.02 | rm_you | yeah |
| 08:25.02 | rm_you | lol |
| 08:25.07 | rm_you | not enclosed in test |
| 08:25.08 | XTLi | Nice that Marco sings these days |
| 08:25.14 | sibbe | seen that, it's even on maemo initfs :D |
| 08:25.19 | rm_you | yeah, While Your Lips Are Still Red was him, right? |
| 08:25.32 | rm_you | that is a good song |
| 08:25.35 | t_s_o | i wonder if timely is active right now... |
| 08:25.41 | prometoys | hi, is here somebody to like to help me with the scratchpad installation? |
| 08:25.42 | rm_you | SEE?! EVERYONE! |
| 08:25.46 | XTLi | I know someone who sounds just like Tarja. Haven't seen her in a while, though |
| 08:26.02 | rm_you | Nightwish is coming to TX in September... |
| 08:26.05 | rm_you | I am excited... |
| 08:26.12 | aquatix | rm_you: if you like Nightwish, you should try some Within Temptation |
| 08:26.14 | rm_you | ACK I hope it isn't the same weekend of the Maemo Summit :P |
| 08:26.17 | aquatix | dutch band, quite cool |
| 08:26.32 | XTLi | Ugh |
| 08:26.34 | rm_you | Nightwish always reminded me of Blind Guardian, but I think they actually started at about the same time, lol |
| 08:26.48 | aquatix | rm_you: the silent force is nice, for example |
| 08:26.52 | rm_you | Nightwish just had a more operatic feel, thanks to Tarja, obviously |
| 08:26.57 | rm_you | aquatix: will check it out |
| 08:27.10 | XTLi | There's female singer popmetal bands dime a dozen today |
| 08:27.11 | rm_you | you should grab Dark Passion Play |
| 08:27.17 | prometoys | is there another maemo channel for developers or sdk support? |
| 08:27.21 | rm_you | and the bonus discs, Escapist is an excellent track |
| 08:27.26 | rm_you | dunno why it didnt make the main CD |
| 08:27.37 | rm_you | they must have been like, pft, this CD has too much awesome, we must remove some |
| 08:27.40 | aquatix | XTLi: true, so it's nice when you find an actually good one :) |
| 08:27.42 | rm_you | prometoys: no, that's us |
| 08:27.48 | rm_you | prometoys: do you mean Scratchbox? |
| 08:27.49 | aquatix | not listened to the new nightwish yet |
| 08:27.57 | prometoys | rm_you: yes |
| 08:28.11 | rm_you | prometoys: I believe the new wiki page is fairly up to date? |
| 08:28.12 | aquatix | fires up rtorrent |
| 08:28.15 | rm_you | prometoys: are you in linux or windows |
| 08:28.24 | rm_you | aquatix: i run uTorrent in WINE >_> |
| 08:28.35 | rm_you | it is flawless now in wine 1.0 >_> |
| 08:28.53 | rm_you | and actually uses comparable resources to rtorrent, even in WINE <_< |
| 08:28.55 | prometoys | rm_you: linux |
| 08:28.55 | aquatix | likes deluge torrent |
| 08:29.02 | rm_you | is it like uTorrent? |
| 08:29.04 | rm_you | or non-gui? |
| 08:29.07 | aquatix | but i'll not download at work, so i'm firing up rtorrent at home ;) |
| 08:29.09 | prometoys | rm_you: i tried the script, but there was not enough space on / |
| 08:29.13 | aquatix | it's quite like utorrent |
| 08:29.14 | rm_you | torrents is the one thing i like GUI for |
| 08:29.18 | rm_you | prometoys: hrm |
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| 08:29.22 | aquatix | rtorrent is cli |
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| 08:29.28 | rm_you | prometoys: well, you have another partition that has space? |
| 08:29.30 | prometoys | re |
| 08:29.40 | rm_you | aquatix: i know |
| 08:29.42 | rm_you | i used it |
| 08:29.47 | prometoys | rm_you: even simpler, I use LVM and extended / |
| 08:29.51 | rm_you | but am running uTorrent specifically so i get a GUI :P |
| 08:30.02 | rm_you | prometoys: err, and there is not enough space? |
| 08:30.08 | rm_you | prometoys: then you need to make space? :P |
| 08:30.10 | aquatix | rm_you: try deluge :) |
| 08:30.23 | prometoys | rm_you: then I was forced to delete /scratchpad |
| 08:30.27 | aquatix | or azureus if you like ;) |
| 08:30.31 | rm_you | right, is it GUI? |
| 08:30.33 | rm_you | ick no |
| 08:30.39 | prometoys | rm_you: then the script failed again |
| 08:30.42 | rm_you | azureus = java = EXPLODE |
| 08:30.51 | aquatix | 10:29:12 aquatix | it's quite like utorrent |
| 08:30.58 | rm_you | ah |
| 08:31.06 | rm_you | prometoys: so... how much free space do you have on / ? |
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| 08:31.22 | aquatix | rm_you: http://deluge-torrent.org/screenshots.php ;) |
| 08:31.32 | prometoys | rm_you: 800mb |
| 08:31.33 | aquatix | even has a web gui |
| 08:31.33 | rm_you | aquatix: installing now, is in Sid repos |
| 08:31.37 | rm_you | prometoys: you need much more |
| 08:31.51 | aquatix | yeah, it's in sid and ubuntu |
| 08:32.10 | rm_you | python based? |
| 08:32.12 | aquatix | it's my primary bt client |
| 08:32.15 | aquatix | yeah |
| 08:32.19 | aquatix | but it's snappy :) |
| 08:32.22 | rm_you | yeah :P |
| 08:32.26 | XTLi | Not much you can do with little shy of a bit :) |
| 08:32.33 | rm_you | some people dis on python for being slow... I don't :P |
| 08:32.39 | prometoys | rm_you: how much? |
| 08:32.48 | aquatix | rm_you: me neither :) |
| 08:32.56 | rm_you | prometoys: I can't get to my buildbox to check right now, unfortunately :( |
| 08:33.04 | aquatix | i saw some snappy python stuff on my n810 too |
| 08:33.07 | XTLi | I remember Grail |
| 08:33.09 | prometoys | rm_you: http://www.prometoys.net/downloads/scratch.log |
| 08:33.12 | rm_you | I think possibly 2.0+ gigs |
| 08:33.49 | darkterror46 | great ! now i can compile in the n810 but can't execute it |
| 08:33.58 | aquatix | XTLi: eek, python with tcl/tk? |
| 08:34.10 | Italodance | http://i.gsmarena.com/vv/newsimg/08/06/bunch-of-nokias/thumb/gsmarena_001.jpg |
| 08:34.13 | Italodance | N79! |
| 08:34.33 | aquatix | ``Grail supports full HTML 2.0, including images, forms and imagemaps, and many HTML 3.2 features'' <- yay! |
| 08:34.36 | prometoys | rm_you: but it didn't mention this on the error, apt runs fine, but then the script fails, because there is no /scratchbox |
| 08:34.52 | aquatix | squints at tiny jpg |
| 08:34.56 | aquatix | Italodance: that's good? |
| 08:35.23 | rm_you | E: Scratchbox command '/scratchbox/sbin/sbox_adduser' is not executable. |
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| 08:35.37 | rm_you | prometoys: scratchbox is actually missing? |
| 08:35.38 | prometoys | rm_you: maybe i better create a new partition only for scratchbox |
| 08:35.43 | rm_you | or just not executable? |
| 08:35.45 | prometoys | rm_you: yes |
| 08:35.53 | prometoys | rm_you: not there |
| 08:36.16 | prometoys | rm_you: before the script didn't work, because it exist |
| 08:36.23 | rm_you | ok well |
| 08:36.25 | rm_you | do |
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| 08:36.38 | aquatix | Italodance: i quite like the e71 |
| 08:36.40 | rm_you | apt-get remove "scratchbox*" |
| 08:36.55 | rm_you | and then start from the beginning |
| 08:37.03 | rm_you | sounds like something broke earlier on |
| 08:37.20 | rm_you | hopefully the packages will still be in your apt cache so it wont have to DL them again |
| 08:37.43 | prometoys | rm_you: ok, thanks for your help, i will try this |
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| 08:40.29 | prometoys | rm_you: can i create a extra partition /scratchbox or will the scripts fail because the directory exist? |
| 08:42.40 | prometoys | yes, I can ;) |
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| 08:44.04 | rm_you | yeah :P |
| 08:50.25 | prometoys | rm_you: "You now have Scratchbox 1.0.8 'apophis' release installed." Yeeha. :) Thanks alot |
| 08:50.49 | rm_you | :P |
| 08:50.55 | rm_you | np, glad it was that simple :P |
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| 08:51.42 | opendeep | I installed one package, menu Icon is coming but tool bar Icon is not coming, it's giving hildon-desktop[9585]: GLIB WARNING ** default - Application bablu_main.py - Menu did not provide valid .desktop file |
| 08:54.29 | opendeep | Checked .desktop file against hello-world package .desktop but no difference, hello-world icon is coming in tool bar? what's wrong ? |
| 08:55.37 | rm_you | can you copy the .desktop file to a pastebin? |
| 08:55.46 | rm_you | www.slexy.org www.pastebin.ca |
| 08:58.47 | Stskeeps | newest Linus quote: "I think the OpenBSD crowd is a bunch of masturbating monkeys" |
| 08:59.34 | XTLi | Url? :D |
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| 09:01.25 | opendeep | rm_you:URL: http://rafb.net/p/0fiY4U23.html |
| 09:02.10 | rm_you | only thing I can think of is that it doesnt like the "!" |
| 09:02.13 | rm_you | but that is kind of dumb... |
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| 09:03.15 | rm_you | opendeep: is this a statusbar program, or is it launched from the menu? |
| 09:04.15 | XTLi | Seems to be missing most of the sentence, too |
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| 09:05.00 | wnd | XTLi, http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/706950 |
| 09:05.33 | opendeep | rm_you:It is launched from menu |
| 09:07.36 | t_s_o | wnd: nice one |
| 09:11.10 | aquatix | Stskeeps: whoa, that quote is out of context :) |
| 09:13.08 | t_s_o | ah, finaly, got syslogd installed. so now i have some nice logging of whats going on behind the scene with browser and browserd :) |
| 09:13.30 | XTLi | Very |
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| 09:13.55 | aquatix | XTLi: indeed |
| 09:14.18 | aquatix | bookmarked it so i can throw it into someone's face when i come across the quote again ;) |
| 09:20.02 | zap | Anybody knows if there is documentation on OMAP2420 available somewhere? Not speaking of the PowerVR, but at least the basic stuff |
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| 09:21.58 | rm_you | opendeep: have you tried removing the "!"? :/ |
| 09:22.03 | rm_you | that is really all i can think of |
| 09:24.35 | opendeep | rm_you: In .desktop Name ? |
| 09:24.55 | rm_you | yeah :/ |
| 09:25.03 | rm_you | otherwise it looks perfectly fine <_< |
| 09:25.22 | rm_you | but really that shouldnt cause a problem :( |
| 09:26.31 | aquatix | http://en.tiraecol.net/modules/comic/cache/images/tiraecol_en-2.png <- *g* |
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| 09:30.17 | XTLi | :) |
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| 09:36.03 | Chenkai | :- |
| 09:36.03 | Chenkai | =-O |
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| 09:36.42 | Chenkai | =-O |
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| 09:36.57 | johnx | hello Chenkai |
| 09:37.35 | Chenkai | hi, it is my first time to use IRC ;-) |
| 09:37.55 | johnx | welcome :) |
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| 09:41.08 | Chenkai | :-) |
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| 09:50.51 | rm_you | johnx: well? thoughts? :P |
| 09:51.15 | johnx | rm_you, my hair is shorter. :P |
| 09:51.18 | rm_you | lol |
| 09:51.21 | johnx | that's my only thought |
| 09:51.24 | rm_you | I should do that >_> |
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| 09:51.55 | rm_you | I shall go have hair surgery next week, have them surgically remove about 3 inches |
| 09:51.59 | johnx | I still say you're better off making it an explicit step. I can't think of any debian package that does it this way |
| 09:52.03 | rm_you | it will be glorious |
| 09:52.19 | rm_you | I can't think of any other similar situation >_> |
| 09:52.23 | johnx | my health plan doesn't cover hair-ectomy, so I pay someone in a sketchy little shop :S |
| 09:52.39 | rm_you | I got a coupon when I bought hotdogs :P |
| 09:53.02 | johnx | "buy some sausage, lose some hair" ? |
| 09:53.11 | rm_you | :P |
| 09:53.31 | rm_you | poor sachin007 |
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| 09:53.49 | rm_you | he's been trying and failing to get a2dp to work for like 6 months IIRC |
| 09:53.52 | johnx | that's why I told him not to buy bt headphones |
| 09:53.54 | rm_you | I feel bad for the guy |
| 09:54.04 | johnx | I do too, kinda |
| 09:54.15 | johnx | is more of a jerk than rm_you |
| 09:54.18 | rm_you | lol |
| 09:54.30 | rm_you | only KINDA feel bad :P |
| 09:55.13 | XTLi | I do my own hair surgery. |
| 09:55.41 | XTLi | Haven't had bigger ops done in over tes years :) |
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| 09:55.48 | XTLi | Ten |
| 09:55.58 | lardman | rm_you: it's not that hard?! |
| 09:56.03 | rm_you | well I think I will sleep soon... and possibly sushi in the morning :P |
| 09:56.05 | rm_you | lardman: AH! |
| 09:56.07 | rm_you | you're here |
| 09:56.15 | rm_you | which? |
| 09:56.21 | rm_you | ah yeah |
| 09:56.25 | lardman | getting a2dp to work |
| 09:56.25 | rm_you | no it isn't :( |
| 09:56.29 | rm_you | sad |
| 09:56.42 | rm_you | you feel bad for him too? :P |
| 09:56.47 | johnx | hey, I had problems with it at first too, so did both of you :P |
| 09:56.50 | lardman | but the cryptic bluez error messages can be annoying |
| 09:56.54 | rm_you | johnx: less so than most :P |
| 09:56.58 | lardman | johnx: absolutely |
| 09:57.08 | rm_you | johnx: i think i may have been one of the first to get video playing? >_> |
| 09:57.13 | johnx | yeah, that's three people who should have been able to figure it out, but none of us have :| |
| 09:57.16 | rm_you | i did submit the patch for it... >_> |
| 09:57.58 | johnx | here's my theory: it registers the capabilities that both devices support on first pairing and stores it somewhere |
| 09:58.02 | lardman | rm_you: with the dsp? |
| 09:58.09 | rm_you | lardman: no, not with DSP yet |
| 09:58.14 | johnx | since the tablet doesn't support a2dp at that point, it's not a capability... |
| 09:58.16 | rm_you | though i havent tried the new release |
| 09:58.20 | lardman | johnx: we could always ask on the Bluez lists |
| 09:58.48 | johnx | sure, I'll test something first though. Maybe I'll do a reflash... |
| 09:58.57 | lardman | rm_you: please do give it a go, you need to flash the kernel then echo 0 (iirc) into /sys/power/something_or_other_DSP_related |
| 09:59.20 | rm_you | heh |
| 09:59.28 | rm_you | hrm i was just about to sleep |
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| 09:59.33 | rm_you | but what the hell :P |
| 09:59.36 | t_s_o | hmm, ferroelectric nand... |
| 09:59.38 | lardman | the instructions are in the release notes anyway |
| 09:59.44 | rm_you | i'll cook up a couple pimpsteaks and get crackin |
| 09:59.50 | rm_you | linky? :P |
| 10:00.01 | lardman | hang on a ticky |
| 10:00.32 | lardman | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=665&release_id=1934 |
| 10:00.36 | lardman | release 1.1.0 |
| 10:01.14 | rm_you | lardman: did you see my solution for osso-software-rx*-unlocked? |
| 10:01.19 | rm_you | err |
| 10:01.22 | rm_you | -version- |
| 10:01.45 | lardman | rm_you: I think I saw it but didn't get round to reading it |
| 10:01.46 | lcuk_work | rm_you, you never sleep |
| 10:01.51 | rm_you | lol |
| 10:01.54 | rm_you | lcuk_work: what did YOU think |
| 10:01.58 | rm_you | i need opinions |
| 10:02.03 | rm_you | it's apparently either love or hate |
| 10:02.20 | lcuk_work | opinions to what? ive just vnced in and looked at irc since ummm a while back |
| 10:02.23 | rm_you | heh |
| 10:02.30 | rm_you | osso-software-version-unlocked |
| 10:03.03 | lcuk_work | still doesnt know what you are on about :P |
| 10:03.23 | rm_you | nevermind... if you didn't ever struggle with that issue, then it wouldnt mean much to you |
| 10:03.26 | rm_you | i know lardman does |
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| 10:04.23 | rm_you | errr |
| 10:04.37 | rm_you | what is there that acts like a .bashrc / .bash_profile in busybox/sh? |
| 10:04.46 | zap | /etc/profile ? |
| 10:04.56 | rm_you | thx |
| 10:05.39 | lardman | rm_you: this is the thing about upgrading packages which the OS relies upon? |
| 10:05.45 | rm_you | lardman: yes |
| 10:05.58 | XTLi | Does it read .profile, too |
| 10:06.38 | lardman | rm_you: linky? ;) |
| 10:07.01 | rm_you | lardman: err, it's more of a proof of concept / explanation |
| 10:07.06 | crashanddie | hey everyone ! |
| 10:07.09 | rm_you | lardman: i have a demo set up in my own repo |
| 10:07.26 | rm_you | basically... ugh lemmie see if i can dig this out of the logs, its like three paragraphs |
| 10:07.30 | johnx | rm_you, ~/.profile |
| 10:07.33 | johnx | makes dinner |
| 10:07.51 | crashanddie | lunch? |
| 10:08.25 | rm_you | lardman: so. |
| 10:08.27 | crashanddie | Wow |
| 10:08.42 | crashanddie | LADIES AND CUCUMBERS ! |
| 10:08.58 | lardman | rm_you: was it on IRC? |
| 10:09.01 | crashanddie | I have the official results of the first gps battery test ! |
| 10:09.10 | lardman | crashanddie: :) |
| 10:09.12 | rm_you | you install a package named "osso-software-version" which "replaces: osso-software-version-rx34, osso-software-version-rx44", and it comes with both rx34-unlocked and rx44-unlocked debs... then during postinst it forks, figures out which hardware it is on, and waits for dpkg / apt to exit and then installs the correct deb |
| 10:09.20 | rm_you | it let us properly name the xserver-xomap package (for example) in which we added rotation support to a higher version and the maintainer for THAT puts my package "osso-software-version-unlocked" in as a "Depends" |
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| 10:09.47 | crashanddie | The n810 managed a whopping 12 hours and 27 minutes in its first run ! |
| 10:09.55 | rm_you | crashanddie: O_o |
| 10:10.04 | rm_you | crashanddie: idle, + gpsd? |
| 10:10.08 | lardman | rm_you: ah, ok |
| 10:10.11 | crashanddie | aye |
| 10:10.19 | crashanddie | with the occasional tap on the screen |
| 10:10.58 | crashanddie | oh, and btw, I got a reply from Wayfinder support |
| 10:11.00 | rm_you | lardman: so, bad things about this: HAAAACK! dpkg postinst is installing an extra package stealthily without notifying the user (technically, though the user is notified essentially that this is happening, since they are installing a generic version of the real package) |
| 10:11.41 | rm_you | lardman: there is a possible point of failure, if the package manager is never closed and the device dies from something like battery, etc, where it is a hard-shutoff |
| 10:11.46 | crashanddie | You remember I emailed them because I couldn't get through the downloading process of some maps ? |
| 10:12.13 | rm_you | lardman: on the up side, the WORST POSSIBLE OUTCOME is that you need to run "enable-unlocked" |
| 10:12.31 | rm_you | ^^^ the script it installs to handle the installation of the correct unlocking package |
| 10:13.05 | crashanddie | this is the reply I got: http://slexy.org/view/s20Pb7wfgd |
| 10:13.15 | rm_you | lardman: it makes the process VERY easy, as all a package maintainer (like you for bluez) must do is increment their package version like they wanted to in the beginning, and add one thing, "osso-software-version-unlocked" to the Depends of their package |
| 10:13.21 | crashanddie | you'll note that the link she gave was non-existent at the time of writing of the email... :D |
| 10:14.13 | crashanddie | I've been a sucker for version number |
| 10:14.25 | rm_you | lardman: http://slexy.org/view/s20XlDA1g8 |
| 10:14.31 | crashanddie | how do you define you're at version 0.1.8.13.3.4.6.2.9.3,5 ? |
| 10:14.50 | wnd | rm_you, I sorry to jump in like this, but what exactly are you trying to accomplish? |
| 10:15.11 | rm_you | wnd: no please do, i am looking for opinions |
| 10:15.23 | rm_you | trying to decide if this method is even remotely acceptable as a solution to the problem |
| 10:15.58 | lardman | rm_you: it sounds interesting |
| 10:16.06 | rm_you | wnd: the problem is that the devices use a package to maintain the correct system packages, as part of the SSE thing with diablo. the package is different for n810 and n800 |
| 10:16.11 | lardman | rm_you: and would probably do the job |
| 10:16.19 | rm_you | wnd: ex, osso-software-version-rx34 |
| 10:16.21 | rm_you | wnd: ex, osso-software-version-rx44 |
| 10:16.32 | lardman | what happens with upgrades? |
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| 10:16.47 | rm_you | wnd: so, it locks down the EXACT versions of packages to that which was installed stock on the device |
| 10:16.54 | lardman | just replaces your packages I guess? |
| 10:16.56 | rm_you | lardman: it updates as if you had installed it normally |
| 10:17.06 | rm_you | :) |
| 10:17.32 | lardman | rm_you: sounds like a plan; won't happen for a while though as I'm away next week |
| 10:17.33 | crashanddie | rm_you, so the idea would be to create transition packages per device ? |
| 10:17.33 | rm_you | wnd: they provide another package, osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked which allows for >= instead of == on the package deps |
| 10:18.01 | rm_you | crashanddie: i think they wanted to be prepared for offering different versions of certain system libraries depending on the hardware |
| 10:18.11 | lardman | what about combining hacks? I suppose that will be troublesome? |
| 10:18.16 | rm_you | crashanddie: at the moment, i'm not sure there is a difference. the packages are only meta-packages.... |
| 10:18.21 | rm_you | lardman: ?? |
| 10:18.24 | lardman | or have you done s/=/>= |
| 10:18.36 | rm_you | lardman: I don't depend on it |
| 10:18.37 | lardman | say your xerver + my hacked Bluez-utils |
| 10:18.48 | wnd | so far so good I guess. what do you want to do? |
| 10:19.02 | rm_you | you just depend on "osso-software-version-unlocked", no version, thats it |
| 10:19.14 | rm_you | and my package has no depends of its own |
| 10:19.58 | lcuk_work | lardman http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=203514#post203514 |
| 10:20.03 | rm_you | wnd: so, the problem is, when installing an updated version of a system package (say, xserver-xomap with rotation support), the "locked version" (osso-software-version-rx34) blocks it |
| 10:20.10 | lardman | I can't copy& paste :( |
| 10:20.27 | rm_you | wnd: so, what your package would need to do is depend on the -unlocked version of the same package |
| 10:20.29 | rm_you | BUT |
| 10:21.20 | lardman | lcuk_work: ok, found it; we'll see |
| 10:21.21 | rm_you | since you can't do any kind of complicated logic in package dependencies, there is no way to decide in the deps of your package whether it is going to be installed on an n800 or an n810, except by making two separate releases |
| 10:21.38 | rm_you | wnd: since you need to install the -unlocked package specific to the hardware |
| 10:21.46 | rm_you | wnd: that's pretty much the problem |
| 10:22.03 | wnd | nods |
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| 10:22.23 | rm_you | wnd: my solution was to make a generic version of the unlocked meta-package that would perform the logic necessary to choose which to install, and do that as seamlessly as possible |
| 10:22.38 | rm_you | IE, http://slexy.org/view/s20XlDA1g8 |
| 10:24.05 | rm_you | lardman: just run the install_sbcenc.sh script |
| 10:24.16 | rm_you | lardman: and then i also have to do the kernel flash and reboot? |
| 10:24.17 | rm_you | right |
| 10:24.18 | rm_you | ? |
| 10:24.19 | wnd | and you really want to create a package that installs osso-foo-unlocked without user's explicit action? |
| 10:24.25 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, http://www.navicoretech.com/Consumer/Support/Downloads/tablet/en_GB/wfnavigator/ |
| 10:24.43 | rm_you | wnd: user's explicit action would be necessary to have it install the new version of xserver-xomap |
| 10:24.47 | lcuk_work | wtfnavigator? |
| 10:24.48 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, they've updated the downloads on the website as I request in my email. |
| 10:24.59 | rm_you | and if the user explicitly tells it to install that, then yes |
| 10:25.23 | rm_you | otherwise apt will, because of the locked software-version, hold back the upgrade |
| 10:25.35 | rm_you | so it does not just do it "automatically" |
| 10:25.37 | wnd | imho it would be better to instruct user to "unlock" his copy of maemo, and only then install randr-enabled xserver |
| 10:25.42 | lcuk_work | crashanddie, :) nice result |
| 10:25.57 | rm_you | wnd: yes, opinions seem to be split right down the middle |
| 10:26.03 | crashanddie | lcuk_work, I concur :) |
| 10:26.11 | lcuk_work | you are on a roll |
| 10:26.26 | crashanddie | I'll post something on itT |
| 10:26.32 | rm_you | it seems that if a user WANTED to install a package that required unlocking, and they specifically tell apt to do it, then why make them do an extra step? |
| 10:26.58 | crashanddie | ~updatedmaps is at http://www.navicoretech.com/Consumer/Support/Downloads/tablet/en_GB/wfnavigator/ |
| 10:26.59 | infobot | crashanddie: okay |
| 10:27.00 | lcuk_work | what if the user didnt know and just thought it was like every other package |
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| 10:27.19 | rm_you | 99% of the people who try to install it and see it fail due to locked software-version will spend 5-30 minutes on IRC or forums looking for solution, find out they need to install some unlocked package, and do it anyway |
| 10:28.00 | wnd | I tend to think unlocking as kind of "no warranty -- if it breaks, you get to keep both pieces" kind of action |
| 10:28.01 | rm_you | if the user is using apt... |
| 10:28.04 | lcuk_work | how sure are you its stable |
| 10:28.23 | rm_you | the package should not install without red-pill... |
| 10:28.31 | rm_you | or using apt directly |
| 10:28.43 | rm_you | so again, red-pill is the same warning already |
| 10:28.52 | rm_you | as is gaining root on the device |
| 10:29.08 | rm_you | really at that point it is more an annoyance than an obstacle with a reason to be there |
| 10:29.28 | lcuk_work | people see that as a way to get round nokia and not to do dangerous stuff to their device |
| 10:29.45 | lcuk_work | "heh look i got root" kind of mentality |
| 10:29.46 | rm_you | lardman: what all does this kernel include? xrandr? mmc speed? |
| 10:29.54 | rm_you | lcuk_work: and if they know how to use apt |
| 10:30.09 | rm_you | they are ready to break their device (or not) anyway |
| 10:30.11 | lcuk_work | or read it from irc or a forum |
| 10:30.26 | lcuk_work | no, they want rotation cos its a cool hack |
| 10:30.29 | rm_you | in which case they will continue to read the same thing about how to do the unlock in the same irc or gorum |
| 10:30.41 | rm_you | yeah, in which case they will still ignore any warnings |
| 10:31.24 | trickie | just thought i would let anyone know... cannot do much on the community kernel side of things until i get a net connection at my new apartment, then i intend on puttin some time into it |
| 10:31.32 | lcuk_work | i mean, from my side i can see rotation as a simple package being great, but since it requires more than a normal app im a bit nervous |
| 10:32.05 | rm_you | lcuk_work: I am currently working on a meta-package called "rotation-support" |
| 10:32.34 | lcuk_work | cool |
| 10:32.38 | rm_you | and I have actually been CONSIDERING having it automatically flash the kernel in postinst >_> which I *do* think is horrible |
| 10:32.45 | rm_you | HORRIBLE |
| 10:32.50 | rm_you | wait, not emphasized enough |
| 10:33.28 | rm_you | ***H_O_R_R_I_B_L_E*** |
| 10:33.41 | rm_you | but yet i am still considering it >_> |
| 10:33.43 | wnd | I see "unlocked" package as kind of acknowledgement, much like red-pill mode, that user agrees that he knows what he's doing. |
| 10:33.44 | rm_you | for ease of use |
| 10:33.55 | rm_you | and red-pill is required to install it |
| 10:33.59 | rm_you | so i dont see the point |
| 10:34.02 | XTLi | This message has been marked as spam |
| 10:34.20 | lcuk_work | "rotation_kernel_upgrade.metapackage" :) |
| 10:34.23 | darkterror46 | anyone here compiling in the n810 ? |
| 10:34.28 | rm_you | it's like the "Are you sure?" messages... |
| 10:34.40 | lcuk_work | rm_you, is there a difference between 800 and 810 kernel? |
| 10:34.50 | lcuk_work | darkterror46, yes |
| 10:34.54 | rm_you | once you click yes to the first one, no way in hell are you going to even read the next 5 in a row |
| 10:35.00 | rm_you | lcuk_work: i dont believe so, no |
| 10:35.01 | lcuk_work | not right now mind you, ive left mine at home today |
| 10:35.03 | lardman | rm_you: the one on the sbc garage page is vanilla + dvfs patch |
| 10:35.13 | lardman | rm_you: qwerty did an all-in-one though I think |
| 10:35.14 | rm_you | lardman: >_> so no rotation for me? >_> |
| 10:35.18 | darkterror46 | :) lcuk_work could you tell me how can i enable execution for the compiled files? |
| 10:35.19 | rm_you | OH i grabbed his |
| 10:35.22 | rm_you | i ahve it! yay |
| 10:35.51 | rm_you | chmod +x a.out |
| 10:35.52 | lcuk_work | darkterror46, where is the compiled binary stored. the chances are you have it on the FAT mmc2 |
| 10:35.56 | lardman | see if you have the /sys/power/op_dsp file |
| 10:35.58 | rm_you | OH yeah that too |
| 10:36.06 | darkterror46 | in the mini sd |
| 10:36.08 | lcuk_work | gcc marks binaries as +x automatically doesnt it |
| 10:36.20 | darkterror46 | yes |
| 10:36.24 | darkterror46 | it does |
| 10:36.29 | darkterror46 | i get permission deniad |
| 10:36.30 | rm_you | it may be on a filesystem mounted noexec |
| 10:36.42 | wnd | or fat(32) |
| 10:36.42 | darkterror46 | even when executing as root |
| 10:36.43 | rm_you | /dev/mmcblk1p1 on /media/mmc1 type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,uid=29999,fmask=0133,dmask=0000,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,utf8) |
| 10:36.49 | rm_you | ,nodev,noexec, |
| 10:36.51 | lcuk_work | darkterror46, try copying the binary to your ~ folder and giving it +x rights. the memory cards are usually formatted as FAT which does not have execute permissions |
| 10:37.02 | darkterror46 | ah |
| 10:37.32 | darkterror46 | can i enable execute permissions to the fat partitions? like in fstab? |
| 10:37.41 | lcuk_work | i have reformatted my mmc1 to be ext2 and work directly from there (look guys, i did something linuxy :D) |
| 10:37.41 | lardman | lcuk_work: the fact it's fat and the noexec are separate |
| 10:37.57 | rm_you | lcuk_work: yay! :P |
| 10:37.59 | lcuk_work | so i could have made fat work? |
| 10:38.05 | rm_you | lardman: fiasco-flasher -f -F zImage ? |
| 10:38.05 | darkterror46 | yes |
| 10:38.09 | lardman | yes, i think so |
| 10:38.16 | lardman | rm_you: no |
| 10:38.24 | darkterror46 | thank you very much for your tip lcuk_work |
| 10:38.29 | lardman | rm_you: you're flashing qwerty's kernel? |
| 10:38.34 | rm_you | yes |
| 10:38.44 | lardman | rm_you: flasher -k zImage -f -R (iirc) |
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| 10:38.54 | rm_you | err |
| 10:38.55 | lcuk_work | lardman, where is the +x stored in FAT file info? there isnt any space for it |
| 10:38.55 | rm_you | flasher? |
| 10:39.04 | rm_you | what package provides that |
| 10:39.13 | lardman | ah, fiasco flasher, is that on-device? |
| 10:39.23 | rm_you | lcuk_work: usually all files on FAT are assumed +x |
| 10:39.32 | rm_you | lardman: yes |
| 10:39.41 | rm_you | lardman: last kernel flash I did was on-device |
| 10:39.52 | lardman | rm_you: ok, I've never used that, I was giving instructions for the flasher-3.0 from maemo.org |
| 10:39.58 | rm_you | ah >_> |
| 10:39.59 | lardman | you can safely ignore me ;) |
| 10:40.04 | darkterror46 | yep thats it :) thank you very much lcuk_work |
| 10:40.53 | rm_you | anyone know how to do on-device kernel flash? |
| 10:40.54 | lcuk_work | :) well thanks for that nugget of conflicting information. does this mean that i could have kept FAT formatted memory card for windows access but also execute from it? or is this an in theory the noexec flag can be removed on this device? |
| 10:41.03 | rm_you | lcuk_work: i believe you could |
| 10:41.11 | rm_you | lcuk_work: would need to edit the fstab to remove noexec |
| 10:41.32 | rm_you | /dev/mmcblk0p1 /media/mmc1 vfat rw,noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,utf8,uid=29999 0 0 |
| 10:41.33 | lcuk_work | might have been less painful in the longrun if i had a card with data on it |
| 10:41.36 | rm_you | /dev/mmcblk0p1 /media/mmc1 vfat rw,noauto,nodev,nosuid,utf8,uid=29999 0 0 |
| 10:41.36 | darkterror46 | lcuk_work: i do execution in fat partitions in my linux box so it should do the same in n810 |
| 10:41.53 | rm_you | in /etc/fstab |
| 10:42.13 | lcuk_work | i just heard it wouldnt and had to format as something that would |
| 10:42.13 | lcuk_work | shrugs anyway |
| 10:42.13 | rm_you | lcuk_work: :( |
| 10:42.21 | darkterror46 | no worries |
| 10:42.25 | lcuk_work | thanks anyway - i really do learn something new everyday |
| 10:42.27 | RST38bis | moo, gentlemen |
| 10:43.27 | RST38bis | I think it is still not possible on n800 |
| 10:43.47 | RST38bis | it's not using standard fstab |
| 10:44.22 | rm_you | RST38bis: ? |
| 10:44.30 | rm_you | cmon, no brick :P |
| 10:44.32 | rm_you | cmon, no brick :P |
| 10:44.52 | lcuk_work | bangs his head against a brick wall |
| 10:45.16 | RST38bis | rm: can't exec from fat partitions |
| 10:45.19 | rm_you | fsck, rebootloop :P yay, time to boot to internal, chroot, and fix it :P |
| 10:45.29 | rm_you | RST38bis: I can on my desktop |
| 10:45.32 | RST38bis | fsck fsck fsck... |
| 10:45.33 | Mikho | hmm, I have a GError and it's code is 32. How can I find out which macro it refers to? |
| 10:45.43 | RST38bis | only on desktop |
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| 10:46.03 | RST38bis | maemo does it differently |
| 10:46.38 | lcuk_work | srst, so i was ... right ... in what i said? |
| 10:47.13 | lcuk_work | gets ready to faint |
| 10:49.52 | RST38bis | lcuk: yep |
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| 10:51.42 | rm_you | if i chroot into my SD card rootfs, and run kernel_flasher there, will it flash the kernel for THAT system? |
| 10:52.34 | RST38bis | advanced backlight with hildon theme is cool |
| 10:52.39 | rm_you | :) |
| 10:55.11 | RST38bis | any chance to add temperature and brightness gauges as two extra applets?;) |
| 10:57.16 | aquatix | temperature would be interesting as tooltip or something |
| 10:58.16 | rm_you | yeah, brightness gauge is in there, just not used yet |
| 10:58.26 | RST38bis | gauge! make it a gauge! |
| 10:58.33 | rm_you | if someone helps me recover from a bad kernel flash, i'll work on it :P |
| 10:58.52 | RST38bis | rm: i mean external brightness of course |
| 10:58.56 | rm_you | yes |
| 10:59.23 | RST38bis | prays about rm to Cthulhu |
| 10:59.24 | aquatix | rm_you: make that settable too, please ;) |
| 10:59.44 | aquatix | would love a slider for external brightness |
| 10:59.47 | rm_you | hehe |
| 11:00.27 | hrw | rm_you: flasher -f -R -k zImage |
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| 11:01.42 | XTLi | Gauges that don' spend your cpu time and battery when you don' need them would be nice |
| 11:01.57 | rm_you | i was using fanoush's kernel_flasher |
| 11:02.00 | rm_you | where do i get that one? |
| 11:02.09 | crashanddie | XTLi, than ask people to stop doing them in python |
| 11:02.27 | XTLi | crashanddie: :D |
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| 11:03.16 | Khertan_n810 | Hi ! |
| 11:03.18 | crashanddie | best way, I reckon: activate them for 10 minutes (or any configurable amount of time) when they're tapped |
| 11:03.20 | XTLi | Maybe rrdb logger thingy if that could run economically |
| 11:03.22 | rm_you | erm |
| 11:03.29 | rm_you | it may not have been the kernel that was the issue |
| 11:03.38 | rm_you | i think it may have been something install_sbcend.sh did |
| 11:03.45 | Khertan_n810 | someone have already try to install debhelper on it device ? |
| 11:04.41 | Khertan_n810 | i ve some problem with |
| 11:04.42 | Khertan_n810 | dpkg : « ldconfig » introuvable dans la variable PATH. |
| 11:04.50 | timeless | hello |
| 11:04.55 | rm_you | lardman: .... |
| 11:05.00 | crashanddie | "introuvable" *shudders* |
| 11:05.16 | Khertan_n810 | oups ... sorry message in french |
| 11:05.32 | rm_you | i think he reads french :P |
| 11:05.38 | lardman | rm_you: yep? |
| 11:05.39 | Khertan_n810 | cannot be find in varaiable PATH |
| 11:05.49 | rm_you | lardman: have to verify... it wasn't the kernel |
| 11:06.00 | crashanddie | khertan, ldconfig is in libc6, not debhelper (iirc) |
| 11:06.02 | Khertan_n810 | s/find/found |
| 11:06.09 | rm_you | lardman: it was either your bluez-utils or something install_sbcenc.sh did that put me in a rebootloop |
| 11:06.15 | lardman | hmm |
| 11:06.23 | rm_you | verifying and isolating now |
| 11:06.23 | crashanddie | khertan, cava, tu galeres pas trop avec les accents sur le clavier de ton n810 ? :P |
| 11:06.25 | Khertan_n810 | crashanddie ? what does it mean ? |
| 11:06.30 | lardman | I did try adding qwerty's become root business in the script |
| 11:06.55 | rm_you | dont think so |
| 11:06.57 | rm_you | i mean |
| 11:06.59 | rm_you | not the problem |
| 11:07.00 | aquatix | Khertan_n810: that it couldn't find the ldconfig program |
| 11:07.04 | crashanddie | Khertan_n810, oh, you mean you get "ldconfig introuble" during the post-installation of debhelper ? |
| 11:07.10 | Khertan_n810 | crashanddie no, i use chr key pressed and the letterr |
| 11:07.18 | rm_you | lardman: to fix the reboot loop i chrooted into the rootfs and undid the script manually |
| 11:07.25 | crashanddie | Khertan_n810, I gave up accents :P |
| 11:07.30 | lardman | rm_you: it doesn't do anything else in particular |
| 11:07.32 | rm_you | lardman: can tell you in one second |
| 11:07.36 | rm_you | lardman: oh, did notice a bug |
| 11:07.41 | Khertan_n810 | crashanddie in the post install script, yes |
| 11:07.52 | rm_you | lardman: the script does not check to see if the sbcenc.o is already in the dsp tesk list |
| 11:07.57 | rm_you | it just appends it again |
| 11:07.59 | crashanddie | Khertan_n810, you running diablo or chinook ? |
| 11:08.01 | rm_you | that could be it |
| 11:08.10 | rm_you | it was in there twice when i went in to remove the line |
| 11:08.11 | Khertan_n810 | crashanddie : diablo |
| 11:08.13 | lardman | ah, yes that is true |
| 11:08.20 | lardman | that could screw things up |
| 11:08.25 | rm_you | that is easy tho |
| 11:08.35 | Khertan_n810 | i m trying to make dpkg-buildpackage useable on my device |
| 11:08.37 | rm_you | just an if [ `grep` ] check |
| 11:08.47 | rm_you | ok, bluez-utils installed, still booting |
| 11:08.55 | crashanddie | Khertan_n810, could you "dpkg -l | grep libc6" |
| 11:08.56 | rm_you | now to check after the script |
| 11:09.06 | crashanddie | Ha ! No pipe on n810 :/ |
| 11:09.23 | opendeep | Can any body seen this error before? |
| 11:09.26 | opendeep | Nokia-N810-50-2:/home/user# bablu |
| 11:09.26 | opendeep | python2.5[1555]: GLIB MESSAGE default - don't know how to handle audio/x-raw-int, rate=(int)44100, channels=(int)1, endianness=(int)1234, width=(int)32, depth=(int)16, signed=(boolean)true |
| 11:09.50 | RST38x | breaks into diabolical laughter |
| 11:10.00 | crashanddie | opendeep, you're probably missing a gstreamer plugin |
| 11:10.01 | RST38x | open: yes |
| 11:10.39 | rm_you | lardman: ran script... |
| 11:10.46 | rm_you | lardman: still booting |
| 11:10.47 | Khertan_n810 | ii libc6 2.5.0-1osso9 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone d |
| 11:10.55 | rm_you | is possible that it being in there twice exploded it |
| 11:11.17 | crashanddie | khertan, sudo gainroot, then "ldconfig" |
| 11:11.33 | opendeep | I am running .ogg files , what plugin I need to download? |
| 11:12.00 | Khertan_n810 | not found |
| 11:12.08 | RST38x | x-raw-int is ogg??? |
| 11:12.50 | crashanddie | Khertan_n810, that's bad |
| 11:13.02 | Khertan_n810 | yes i know |
| 11:13.21 | crashanddie | Khertan_n810, apt-file tells me ldconfig comes from the libc6 package, you have libc6 package, but still ldconfig is missing |
| 11:13.31 | Khertan_n810 | yes |
| 11:13.40 | crashanddie | khertan, try reinstalling libc6 |
| 11:14.11 | lardman | rm_you: you up and running yet? |
| 11:14.34 | X-Fade | Khertan_n810: sudo gainroot; ldconfig |
| 11:14.38 | X-Fade | Khertan_n810: Works for me? |
| 11:14.42 | crashanddie | X-Fade, not found |
| 11:14.49 | crashanddie | X-Fade, works here too |
| 11:14.52 | X-Fade | crashanddie: Not on my stock install. |
| 11:15.02 | Khertan_n810 | arg i understand now it s a bug with path and script rootsh |
| 11:15.14 | Khertan_n810 | trying by ssh work |
| 11:15.18 | crashanddie | ah |
| 11:15.38 | crashanddie | Khertan_n810, ls /usr/bin/ldconfig |
| 11:15.38 | X-Fade | It is in /sbin/ldconfig |
| 11:15.44 | crashanddie | oh yeah, that's the one |
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| 11:15.55 | Khertan_n810 | ouf ! |
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| 11:16.31 | crashanddie | Khertan_n810, Mhuwhahahaha, tu te sens soulagé là hein :P |
| 11:16.46 | Jaffa | Is there a bug raised in Bugzilla for the SSL cert on wiki.maemo.org expiring? |
| 11:16.52 | rm_you | lardman: got me some pimpsteaks |
| 11:16.57 | rm_you | and now i will try |
| 11:16.59 | X-Fade | Jaffa: We're already working on it. |
| 11:17.01 | lardman | cool |
| 11:17.02 | timeless | jaffa: should be easy to query :) |
| 11:17.05 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 11:17.07 | timeless | x-fade: if there isn't a bug, please file it |
| 11:17.15 | Khertan_n810 | thx a lot for the help |
| 11:17.16 | timeless | the reason for a bug tracker is to have a central point of contact |
| 11:17.33 | timeless | irc is nice, but it's better for people to learn to check bugzilla first |
| 11:18.04 | rm_you | without irc i would go mad! |
| 11:18.06 | crashanddie | god I hate hate the french language |
| 11:18.12 | crashanddie | rm_you, poor you |
| 11:18.13 | rm_you | crashanddie: lol? :P |
| 11:18.26 | rm_you | you speak it natively? :P |
| 11:18.31 | crashanddie | no, I don't |
| 11:18.40 | rm_you | ah |
| 11:18.46 | rm_you | thought you did |
| 11:18.55 | crashanddie | It's nearly my mother tongue, yet, it isn't |
| 11:19.12 | rm_you | native english? |
| 11:19.21 | Khertan_n810 | must come back to work |
| 11:19.21 | crashanddie | native dutch/flemish |
| 11:19.22 | Khertan_n810 | bye |
| 11:19.26 | Khertan_n810 | and thx |
| 11:20.24 | rm_you | lardman: still not quite there yet for video :/ |
| 11:20.28 | rm_you | lardman: slightly better |
| 11:20.30 | rm_you | err wait |
| 11:20.33 | rm_you | i forgot some kind of echo! |
| 11:20.36 | rm_you | what was it |
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| 11:21.07 | rm_you | lcuk_work: i use liqbase every day.... |
| 11:21.21 | rm_you | lcuk_work: primarily as the fastest way i have of turning on performance mode :P |
| 11:21.30 | crashanddie | haha |
| 11:21.32 | rm_you | very convenient |
| 11:21.32 | crashanddie | don't we all ? :D |
| 11:21.55 | lardman | rm_you: and with the decoupling? |
| 11:22.34 | rm_you | lardman: trying to find the echo command |
| 11:22.39 | rm_you | lost in scrollback <_< |
| 11:22.59 | lardman | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/shownotes.php?release_id=1934 |
| 11:23.07 | lardman | echo 0 > /sys/power/op_dsp |
| 11:23.50 | Jaffa | timeless: it was *very* easy to query [here] ;-) |
| 11:23.57 | rm_you | slightly worse i think :/ |
| 11:24.00 | rm_you | :( |
| 11:24.04 | rm_you | for video... |
| 11:24.16 | timeless | yeah yeah... if you can reach irc. not all of us can. i can't often enough :( |
| 11:24.26 | rm_you | timeless: you should fix that :P |
| 11:24.32 | lardman | rm_you: I'd be surprised |
| 11:24.44 | rm_you | lardman: i still dont know WHY |
| 11:24.50 | rm_you | it shouldnt be a processing issue at this point |
| 11:24.53 | timeless | i switched from using corporate network to a wifi w/ a stupid login page |
| 11:25.01 | timeless | (i'm here now, aren't i?) |
| 11:25.04 | rm_you | :P |
| 11:26.38 | lardman | rm_you: are you doing objective measurements woth mplayer output? |
| 11:26.49 | lcuk_work | rm_you, :) it works well. just wait until i add brightness applet to it |
| 11:26.53 | rm_you | lardman: well... |
| 11:26.58 | lardman | or subjective (like my sbc testing ;) ) |
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| 11:27.09 | rm_you | very subjective, but VERY clear |
| 11:27.22 | rm_you | lardman: with software encoding, video plays FLAWLESSLY with a2dp audio |
| 11:27.34 | lardman | yep |
| 11:27.38 | rm_you | and the very same video with dsp encoding gets about .25 FPS |
| 11:27.47 | rm_you | that's 1 frame every 4 seconds |
| 11:27.49 | lardman | oh, really knackered hey? |
| 11:27.50 | rm_you | possibly less |
| 11:27.57 | lcuk_work | liqbase_adv_backlight_cpu_audio_hildon :P |
| 11:27.58 | rm_you | audio is still good tho |
| 11:28.06 | lardman | hmm, perhaps some sort of MMU contention then |
| 11:28.30 | rm_you | lardman: yeah, i'm not exaggerating, or just saying "well, i THINK this performed better..." |
| 11:28.36 | rm_you | it is very unusable with video |
| 11:28.48 | rm_you | audio seems flawless tho :P |
| 11:28.55 | lardman | rm_you: ok, that's interesting, I'll have to do some testing |
| 11:28.57 | lardman | :) |
| 11:29.00 | rm_you | here |
| 11:29.11 | rm_you | http://www.ageofikon.info/N10-Haruhi.avi |
| 11:29.17 | rm_you | that is my test video |
| 11:29.21 | lcuk_work | lardman, that sounds like the cpu is throttling back down |
| 11:29.22 | rm_you | any time i need benchmarks |
| 11:29.31 | rm_you | I put CPU on performance? |
| 11:29.34 | lcuk_work | rm_you, have you tryied in in performance for this test |
| 11:29.36 | rm_you | can i LOCK it at 400mhz? |
| 11:29.37 | lcuk_work | ahhh right |
| 11:29.42 | rm_you | or does performance do that |
| 11:29.55 | rm_you | i have not ever tried it in ondemand actually >_> |
| 11:30.02 | lcuk_work | no, you can put it in performance, but doesnt the max speed get lower when dsp in us |
| 11:30.07 | lardman | performance does that, and equally with the DSP running it should also lock |
| 11:30.20 | rm_you | ok well... |
| 11:30.21 | lardman | if you do the echo command |
| 11:30.22 | rm_you | yeah... |
| 11:30.30 | lcuk_work | try in powersave - its what ondemand slows down to, but its consistant |
| 11:30.46 | rm_you | lardman: try playing the video i linked |
| 11:30.59 | lcuk_work | lardman, the echo command is what liqbase does :) |
| 11:31.05 | lcuk_work | if its the same echo |
| 11:31.24 | rm_you | lardman: it is VERY excellent with mp3 tho <_< |
| 11:31.31 | rm_you | not to get you down :P |
| 11:31.34 | lardman | lcuk_work: different target |
| 11:31.52 | lardman | rm_you: no, that's fair enough |
| 11:32.02 | lcuk_work | which are you altering? |
| 11:32.18 | lardman | echo 0 > /sys/power/op_dsp |
| 11:32.20 | rm_you | lardman: in powersave, it still plays mp3 perfectly :P |
| 11:32.37 | lardman | rm_you: it's probably not in powersave anymore though ;) |
| 11:32.42 | rm_you | :/ |
| 11:32.44 | lardman | rm_you: check the actual cpu freq |
| 11:32.48 | rm_you | i tried to put it in powersave |
| 11:32.51 | zap | I remember I've seen somewhere a page with some very low-level details about kernel booting, flashing etc. Anybody remembers it? |
| 11:32.52 | rm_you | :/ |
| 11:32.56 | lardman | dsp running probably overrides it |
| 11:33.12 | rm_you | where is cpufreq |
| 11:33.32 | zap | in cat /proc/cpuinfo ? |
| 11:33.39 | rm_you | there is another place |
| 11:33.44 | rm_you | isnt there? |
| 11:33.49 | zap | somewhere under /sys maybe |
| 11:34.00 | lcuk_work | "/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 11:34.28 | lardman | cur_cpu_freq |
| 11:34.33 | rm_you | Nezumi:~# cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq |
| 11:34.33 | rm_you | 165000 |
| 11:34.33 | lardman | or similar |
| 11:34.50 | lardman | is there another? |
| 11:34.58 | rm_you | ah no |
| 11:35.01 | lardman | I think that says what the scaling should make the cpu speed |
| 11:35.02 | rm_you | you are right |
| 11:35.05 | rm_you | it does switch |
| 11:35.09 | rm_you | to 400mhz |
| 11:35.28 | lcuk_work | it shouldnt do 400 when the dsp is in use should it? |
| 11:35.30 | lardman | the other option is to just enable the DSP for low power mode and see how low it can be pushed |
| 11:35.40 | lardman | lcuk_work: yes, with the kernel patch |
| 11:35.47 | lcuk_work | ahhh |
| 11:36.20 | lcuk_work | goes for lunch |
| 11:36.54 | rm_you | well my real hope would be that the DSP could run and the main cpu could scale down |
| 11:36.59 | rm_you | and maybe save power? >_> |
| 11:38.10 | lardman | rm_you: iirc there are popping noises if you change the DSP cpu freq while it's running |
| 11:38.24 | lardman | rm_you: you might need to preset the speed you want to run at |
| 11:39.08 | rm_you | well heres whats happening with the CPU: |
| 11:39.25 | rm_you | with software SBC, mplayer is at 45-55 average CPU |
| 11:39.28 | rm_you | and plays smoothly |
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| 11:39.46 | rm_you | with DSB SBC, mplayer averages about 35 |
| 11:39.57 | rm_you | but like 1 frame every 6 seconds :/ |
| 11:40.08 | rm_you | might i mention that the AUDIO is still 100% perfect |
| 11:40.09 | lardman | ah, playing video |
| 11:40.12 | lardman | :) |
| 11:40.23 | rm_you | all of my tests are playing video... |
| 11:40.28 | rm_you | since that is what is broken |
| 11:40.37 | rm_you | why would i test what works? :P |
| 11:40.38 | mattimo | what dhcp client does, the maemo use? |
| 11:40.39 | lardman | The DSP requires lots of little data transfers, the video updates also require lots of transfers, I wonder if there's some contention issue here |
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| 11:40.56 | zap | http://inz.fi/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/vte-black.jpg |
| 11:40.57 | rm_you | make that 1 frame every 15 seconds |
| 11:41.01 | zap | interesting, how he does it |
| 11:41.04 | lardman | rm_you: you were talking about mp3 and low power, etc. |
| 11:41.14 | rm_you | not for test data :P |
| 11:41.20 | rm_you | just a sidethought |
| 11:41.23 | rm_you | sorry it confused you :P |
| 11:42.27 | lardman | np, doing some work at the same time :p |
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| 11:44.11 | rm_you | hrm |
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| 11:50.17 | rm_you | as a comparison point, playing the same video with esd audio out, mplayer uses ~35% |
| 11:50.24 | rm_you | same as with DSPSBC |
| 11:50.31 | rm_you | except with esp it plays right.... |
| 11:50.37 | rm_you | so, yeah. weird. |
| 11:50.45 | rm_you | *esd |
| 11:50.53 | lardman | rm_you: do you fancy posting to the maemo-developers list |
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| 11:51.01 | rm_you | not really |
| 11:51.07 | rm_you | it is very hard for me to send email ATM |
| 11:51.18 | rm_you | especially from the account that is signed up |
| 11:51.25 | lardman | ah ok, well I'll see if I can do some benchmarking and get some feedback |
| 11:51.32 | rm_you | i will post on ITT all day long tho :/ |
| 11:51.45 | rm_you | did you get that video? |
| 11:51.56 | lardman | ? |
| 11:52.13 | rm_you | the one i sent for testing |
| 11:52.42 | rm_you | that plays perfectly with esd and software a2dp |
| 11:52.53 | lardman | no, I've not seen anything |
| 11:52.57 | lardman | did you email it to me? |
| 11:53.00 | rm_you | http://www.ageofikon.info/N10-Haruhi.avi |
| 11:53.04 | rm_you | keep linking it in channel |
| 11:53.08 | rm_you | pretty much every day |
| 11:53.11 | rm_you | it is good for benchmarking |
| 11:53.15 | lardman | ah ok, I've not really been paying much attention |
| 11:53.29 | rm_you | has some slow scenes and also ones with lots of movement |
| 11:53.33 | rm_you | and is only like 3 min long |
| 11:53.45 | rm_you | and a somewhat enjoyable song, depending on what you're into |
| 11:53.57 | rm_you | as a bonus since you'll be listening to it all day :P |
| 11:55.28 | rm_you | hrm |
| 11:55.35 | RST38h | I hope it does not contain tentacle rape scenes though |
| 11:55.45 | rm_you | LOL no :P |
| 11:55.54 | RST38h | cant check from the phone |
| 11:55.56 | rm_you | only one anime girl taking off her shirt <_< but she has a bra :P |
| 11:56.04 | rm_you | so it's all good :P |
| 11:56.17 | XTLi | Hmm |
| 11:56.39 | rm_you | i wonder why the battery meter displays 3/4, when i've been using it for ~4 hours now without charging, in performance mode mostly, and it says i have one hour left |
| 11:56.39 | lardman | can't even download it on WinXP |
| 11:56.39 | aquatix | rm_you: good? how's only one taking off her shirt good? |
| 11:56.40 | rm_you | lol |
| 11:56.41 | lardman | ~lart WinXP |
| 11:56.41 | infobot | stabs WinXP |
| 11:56.53 | rm_you | aquatix: lol, more like, SFW :P |
| 11:56.59 | rm_you | lardman: is my link bad? |
| 11:57.02 | aquatix | ah :P |
| 11:57.06 | aquatix | downloads |
| 11:57.15 | rm_you | no, works :P |
| 11:57.26 | RST38h | rm: THE ESTIMATE MAY BE BASED ON YOUR MOST RECENT USAGE |
| 11:57.30 | aquatix | you know it by heart? ;) |
| 11:57.34 | rm_you | ~lart WinXP angry bees |
| 11:57.34 | infobot | whacks WinXP angry bees upside the head |
| 11:57.34 | lardman | rm_you: no, my PC has been running for too long |
| 11:57.36 | RST38h | sorry for caps |
| 11:57.46 | rm_you | RST38h: :P |
| 11:57.54 | aquatix | lardman: er, that's only possible with windows :P |
| 11:58.04 | aquatix | running a pc for too long... |
| 11:58.06 | rm_you | my usage is pretty much constant :( and it *is* in performance mode? :P |
| 11:58.09 | lardman | yeah, needs a reboot every 4 months or so |
| 11:58.19 | mattimo | ok i'll ask again, does anybody know what dhcp client the maemo uses? |
| 11:58.26 | aquatix | doesn't it crash after 42 days anymore? |
| 11:58.39 | aquatix | or was that win98 :) |
| 11:58.46 | RST38h | rm: who knows what it uses to measure load... |
| 11:58.47 | lardman | mattimo: must be some apt command to tell you |
| 11:58.55 | rm_you | i cry every time i see a tablet screenshot posted here that doesn't have adv-backlight running in the statusbar :P |
| 11:58.58 | aquatix | [something to do with the uptime clock rotating after 16 bits int was full] |
| 11:59.08 | mattimo | lardman: thanks I'll try |
| 11:59.10 | rm_you | mattimo: udhcpc |
| 11:59.11 | aquatix | pats rm_you on the back |
| 11:59.13 | RST38h | may be doing WAIT if there are no tasks to run even in perf mode |
| 11:59.30 | rm_you | i wonder why not ALWAYS use perf mode <_< |
| 11:59.30 | zap | it does |
| 11:59.33 | RST38h | knows he would do something like this |
| 11:59.48 | wnd | mattimo, http://wide-dhcpv6.sourceforge.net/ |
| 11:59.50 | mattimo | udhcpc could that be? |
| 12:00.14 | wnd | based on "dpkg -S $(which dhcp6c)" |
| 12:00.25 | aquatix | mattimo: that's what rm_you just said, yeah :) |
| 12:00.45 | wnd | hmm, interesting |
| 12:01.09 | rm_you | most embedded devices use that |
| 12:01.15 | rm_you | i guess it must be lightweight |
| 12:01.17 | rm_you | Zaurus used it |
| 12:01.22 | wnd | first of all I totally forgot udhcp, and second, dhcp on ipv6? eww. |
| 12:01.27 | rm_you | Nezumi:/lib/dsp/modules# apt-cache search udhcpc |
| 12:01.27 | rm_you | udhcpc - very small DHCP client |
| 12:01.41 | mattimo | rm_you: sry I didn't see it |
| 12:01.41 | rm_you | wnd: yeah, breaks Vista machines constantly >_> |
| 12:01.47 | rm_you | :P np |
| 12:01.55 | rm_you | wnd: and i have to fix them <_< |
| 12:02.27 | mattimo | is there a dbus interface to the udhcpc?? |
| 12:02.32 | rm_you | dunno :/ |
| 12:02.37 | mattimo | hmm |
| 12:02.40 | rm_you | well, it is time for me to SLEEEEEP |
| 12:02.47 | rm_you | was gonna do it *4 hours ago* |
| 12:02.54 | rm_you | ... thanks guys. really. >_< |
| 12:03.08 | lardman | rm_you: thanks for the testing |
| 12:03.16 | rm_you | i'm back on my old sleep schedule now... and I worked SO hard to wake up at a normal hour :P |
| 12:03.18 | rm_you | lol np |
| 12:03.24 | rm_you | i want it working prolly more than you do :P |
| 12:03.26 | wnd | udhcpc doesn't depend on dbus so I'd say no, at least not on maemo |
| 12:03.36 | mattimo | shit |
| 12:03.46 | lardman | rm_you: I can't do anything for another week & 1/2 at least |
| 12:03.49 | rm_you | mattimo: what do you need to do? |
| 12:03.53 | rm_you | lardman: :( |
| 12:04.00 | mattimo | I am trying to port the networkmanager used on most desktop systems to the maemo |
| 12:04.00 | lardman | rm_you: am away, sorry |
| 12:04.04 | rm_you | lardman: maybe I will hack at mplayer, see if theres anything i can do on that side |
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| 12:04.16 | rm_you | lardman: compiling mplayer used to be my *hobby* :P |
| 12:04.18 | rm_you | before maemo |
| 12:04.23 | lardman | rm_you: I'll try to post the benchmark to the list though so people can have a think about it |
| 12:04.24 | rm_you | mattimo: ah :/ |
| 12:04.32 | mattimo | and the networkmanader depends on dhcdbd |
| 12:04.48 | rm_you | mattimo: you could *maybe* try porting a different dhcp client |
| 12:04.53 | mattimo | what is a dbus interface for the dhcpd from isc |
| 12:04.56 | rm_you | but that could get very messy very quickly |
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| 12:05.01 | rm_you | and might not be what people want |
| 12:05.03 | mattimo | rm_you: I know |
| 12:05.09 | rm_you | yeah :/ |
| 12:05.13 | mattimo | is not what people want |
| 12:05.20 | rm_you | suck. |
| 12:05.23 | lopz | hola |
| 12:05.24 | rm_you | well, gl. |
| 12:05.30 | mattimo | thanks |
| 12:05.31 | rm_you | sleeps |
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| 12:08.27 | Makegho | hmh, does mysql-python fail if it's given an empty string as a parameter to execute? |
| 12:08.33 | Makegho | whops, wrong channel |
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| 12:27.58 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: It seems you will get your plugin working tomorrow afternoon ;) |
| 12:33.16 | boolean | morning |
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| 12:40.25 | lcuk_work | lardman, thats the quickest lunch on record |
| 12:40.44 | lcuk_work | 8 minutes, you will give yoursel indigestion :P |
| 12:40.57 | lardman | lcuk_work: yeah, I couldn't be bothered to walk home |
| 12:41.12 | lcuk_work | oh cripes yer, still no tyre? |
| 12:41.18 | lcuk_work | or do you normally walk |
| 12:41.56 | lardman | I've got a new tyre (£100) and bought a spare wheel too (~£40 second hand) |
| 12:42.05 | lardman | I try to walk when it's sunny |
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| 12:42.22 | lardman | and it was this morning, cold now though, so I've no desire to go out in it |
| 12:42.27 | lardman | ;) |
| 12:42.32 | lcuk_work | heh, if i tried that it would take me all day |
| 12:43.10 | johnx | lcuk_work, eating lunch? |
| 12:43.29 | lcuk_work | walking, it would be a 20mile roundtrip |
| 12:43.37 | aquatix | hm, /me works 65km from home |
| 12:43.57 | aquatix | that's... to far to walk ;) |
| 12:43.59 | lardman | consults a map |
| 12:44.00 | johnx | only knows how long the train takes |
| 12:44.10 | aquatix | 60 minutes by car :/ |
| 12:44.24 | aquatix | maybe 55 |
| 12:44.39 | lcuk_work | google earth has a great point to point plotting thing, before i had gps i would use it to see where i had been |
| 12:44.51 | lcuk_work | aquarius-, get a faster car |
| 12:44.55 | lcuk_work | damn |
| 12:45.01 | aquatix | lcuk_work: i should get a faster road |
| 12:45.02 | lcuk_work | aquatix even |
| 12:45.09 | aquatix | my car is fast enough |
| 12:45.15 | aquatix | but there's no highway in between |
| 12:45.16 | lardman | 0.8 miles |
| 12:45.18 | lcuk_work | obviously not :P |
| 12:45.34 | lcuk_work | get a delorian from the future and fly |
| 12:45.57 | lcuk_work | or a personal helicopter |
| 12:46.08 | lardman | apparently walks at 4mph uphill |
| 12:46.15 | lcuk_work | thinks about nicking his dads microlite |
| 12:46.16 | aquatix | lcuk_work: even google agrees - http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=&saddr=Musket,+1967+Heemskerk,+Heemskerk+(North+Holland),+Netherlands&daddr=Den+Helder+(North+Holland),+Netherlands&sll=52.493292,4.691448&sspn=0.009642,0.018003&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=10 |
| 12:46.28 | aquatix | lcuk_work: hm, helicopter |
| 12:46.32 | aquatix | that'd be interesting |
| 12:46.36 | lcuk_work | google might agree, but my eyes dont |
| 12:46.47 | lcuk_work | lardman, uphill both ways? |
| 12:46.48 | aquatix | ? |
| 12:47.01 | lardman | well it takes 12min up and 10min down |
| 12:47.02 | lcuk_work | big links blind |
| 12:47.04 | johnx | 20km by train but it takes 43 minutes (more at night) |
| 12:47.10 | lcuk_work | get a skateboard |
| 12:47.27 | aquatix | lcuk_work: yeah, sorry for the huge uri :/ |
| 12:47.33 | lardman | lcuk_work: 12min up, 1min down, 4hours in casualty ;) |
| 12:47.41 | lcuk_work | takes me about 15mins one way, round the ring road |
| 12:47.47 | lcuk_work | lolol |
| 12:48.08 | lcuk_work | is the hospital down past work by any chance? |
| 12:48.25 | lardman | takes me about 10min in the car what with getting it out of the Garage then walking from the far side of the car park after I park |
| 12:48.45 | lardman | nah, hospital is on the other side of town, so no savings there either ;) |
| 12:48.53 | lcuk_work | i get told ill have a closer parking space if i turn in earlier |
| 12:49.08 | lardman | s/Garage/garage - nothing special here |
| 12:49.45 | lcuk_work | lol @ llardman secret cave |
| 12:49.59 | lcuk_work | omg, you have turned welsh |
| 12:50.04 | lardman | yeah, can't use the afterburners in town either! |
| 12:50.17 | aquatix | would like to have some foreburners |
| 12:50.28 | aquatix | stupid people that drive too slowly |
| 12:50.34 | crashanddie | Lardman and Ewan: Fightings the bugs for justice ! |
| 12:50.35 | lcuk_work | wouldnt like burners near his after or fore |
| 12:50.41 | lardman | cowcatchers s/cow/slow vehicles ? |
| 12:51.36 | lardman | I see I am officially a layman in railroad terms :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilot_(locomotive) |
| 12:53.00 | lcuk_work | heh - i nearly fell for that: dont let xchat auto select the url, it cuts off the (...) at the end |
| 12:53.31 | lcuk_work | mgedmin posted a link explaining what a bob session was and it went to article about bbc birds of a feather sitcom |
| 12:53.43 | lcuk_work | im sat there wondering why hes gonna be talkin about essex girls |
| 12:53.44 | lardman | lol |
| 12:53.45 | mgedmin | s/bob/bof/ |
| 12:53.56 | lcuk_work | :P good point |
| 12:54.22 | lcuk_work | hi mgedmin \o |
| 12:56.05 | lardman | has anyone else tried the camera_example code? |
| 12:56.13 | lcuk_work | in python yes |
| 12:56.18 | lardman | it seems to run a lot slower than the other camera enabled apps |
| 12:56.26 | lcuk_work | the gstreamer stack was a bit hairy at the time |
| 12:56.33 | lcuk_work | no, lower the resolution |
| 12:56.35 | mgedmin | hi |
| 12:56.42 | lardman | hi mgedmin |
| 12:57.03 | lardman | lcuk_work: ah, so the others run at lower res do they? |
| 12:57.18 | lcuk_work | more than likely :) |
| 12:57.41 | lcuk_work | best results come from lower res AND lower framerate: lower framerate allows more signal to noise |
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| 12:58.24 | lcuk_work | there is also a limit to resolution where if you go above it, all the X stuff REALLY slows down disproportionally to expected |
| 12:58.26 | lardman | lcuk_work: hmm |
| 12:58.46 | lardman | Does the framerate really affect the camera integration time? |
| 12:58.51 | lcuk_work | if i had my 810 with me id post the tweaked and twiddled code |
| 12:59.10 | lcuk_work | effects how long the virtual shutter stays open |
| 12:59.33 | lcuk_work | i went from dark mostly grainy images to almost valid ones (at its lowest 10/15 fps) |
| 12:59.40 | crashanddie | aaaaaah |
| 12:59.50 | crashanddie | My own little part of paradise: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=argel%C3%A8s+sur+mer&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=29.992289,76.992187&ie=UTF8&ll=42.506998,3.005871&spn=0.00085,0.00235&t=h&z=19 |
| 12:59.52 | lardman | lcuk_work: ok, I'll have a fiddle with it |
| 13:00.15 | lardman | crashanddie: no way I'm typing that beast in by hand! |
| 13:00.27 | crashanddie | lardman, I'll tinyurl it for ya |
| 13:00.33 | lcuk_work | use the python one, its quicker to play. you will find if you try nonstandard resollutionsor framerates it will just lock and not give errors |
| 13:00.50 | lardman | lcuk_work: I want to do barcode recognition, so will stick with C I think |
| 13:00.55 | crashanddie | lardman, http://tinyurl.com/58y4kc |
| 13:00.58 | lardman | I've nearly converted my MATLAB code to C anwyay |
| 13:01.01 | lardman | crashanddie: thanks |
| 13:01.28 | lcuk_work | lardman, im thinking just for testing the camera caps - at least then you will have POC to know it works |
| 13:01.56 | lardman | lcuk_work: yeah, perhaps |
| 13:01.58 | lcuk_work | but if you get it working nicely in a little self contained module i would like to try that: i got image loading working last night from jpeg, i would like to scroll real live video |
| 13:02.07 | lardman | crashanddie: you live in a ravine? |
| 13:02.21 | crashanddie | lardman, nope, that's where I'm going to spend the day tomorrow :) |
| 13:02.38 | lardman | crashanddie: I hope you back in rather going head first ;) |
| 13:03.04 | crashanddie | Taking a day off coding and work, jumping in very cool water, that's coming out of the frigging mountain :) |
| 13:04.15 | lcuk_work | lardman, i never attempted the gstreamer stuff in c because i didnt know enough about the api to boil it down, but i know the camera gives raw images as yuv :) which is prefect for me |
| 13:04.28 | lcuk_work | perfect as well |
| 13:04.49 | lcuk_work | must really get image scaling working |
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| 13:04.56 | lardman | lcuk_work: I think the pipeline does an RGB conversion, but then I might be able to eliminate that as I only need B&W |
| 13:05.17 | lcuk_work | yer you would be better getting it before its done RGB |
| 13:05.32 | lcuk_work | the more time you save then the higher resolution you will be able to get |
| 13:05.46 | lardman | res isn't a big issue for a full-screen barcode |
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| 13:05.52 | lardman | but yes |
| 13:05.56 | lcuk_work | when you were talking the other day i did some quick examinations and could get barcodes in focus quite easily and quickly |
| 13:06.07 | lardman | although the lower the resolution the less data I need to manipulate :) |
| 13:06.12 | crashanddie | you probably don't need the full res |
| 13:06.21 | lardman | with N810? |
| 13:06.25 | crashanddie | can the camera scan in a lower res ? |
| 13:06.27 | lcuk_work | still - if its YUV initially, why convert to rgb to then convert back to Y |
| 13:06.31 | lcuk_work | yes |
| 13:07.11 | crashanddie | I don't know if contrast will be good enough, but you might want to lower the res to speed up analysis |
| 13:07.41 | crashanddie | (btw, camera won't work on my n810 anymore... it yells "can't open camera" and then quits) |
| 13:07.57 | lcuk_work | in which application? |
| 13:08.06 | crashanddie | camera |
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| 13:08.42 | lcuk_work | you've been screwing with your gstreamer stuff though |
| 13:08.49 | crashanddie | aye |
| 13:08.53 | crashanddie | btw |
| 13:09.07 | crashanddie | I've completely broken my bluetooth card in my laptop, so it seems xD |
| 13:09.29 | lcuk_work | the bluetooth module from mine has been physically ripped off the motherboard :) |
| 13:09.37 | crashanddie | ha |
| 13:10.02 | crashanddie | I've been messing with the source code of bluez, in order to try to get more information about why the mouse didn't work |
| 13:10.04 | lcuk_work | god knows why someone would do that, but i opened the flap underneath and theres a trailing wire and the connector is ripped off and the module is missing |
| 13:10.23 | crashanddie | tried a few things, didn't really work, tried reverting back to the ubuntu provided packages |
| 13:10.27 | crashanddie | devices doesn't show up anymore |
| 13:10.36 | crashanddie | doesn't work in Windows either xD |
| 13:10.47 | lcuk_work | put a livecd in and see what happens. it could all be you messing |
| 13:10.58 | crashanddie | I did |
| 13:11.08 | crashanddie | ubuntu 7.10 spots there's a bluetooth something |
| 13:11.31 | crashanddie | but can't lock on the device (hcitool dev doesn't show anything anymore) |
| 13:11.44 | crashanddie | I don't care though, didn't use it a lot |
| 13:11.55 | crashanddie | gave the mouse to my mom, she'll make better use of it anyhow |
| 13:11.57 | lcuk_work | apart from for your mouse |
| 13:12.00 | crashanddie | I'm going to open up the MX 1000 and make it work again |
| 13:12.21 | lcuk_work | i hope you have a vets license |
| 13:12.33 | crashanddie | nope |
| 13:12.41 | crashanddie | but I have a soldering iron and an electronics degree :P |
| 13:12.51 | lcuk_work | tsk tsk, surgery on little animals is cruel |
| 13:13.02 | crashanddie | well |
| 13:13.08 | crashanddie | it's been drowned in petrol |
| 13:13.14 | crashanddie | can't get much worse than that |
| 13:13.30 | lcuk_work | it could, but you havent got windows vista so i wont mention that |
| 13:13.50 | crashanddie | (I though my laptop didn't have any symptoms from that episode, the petrol lamp falling on the desktop... Figures my DVD drive is dead) |
| 13:13.52 | lcuk_work | anyway, must dash, got stuff to do |
| 13:14.01 | crashanddie | yeah, same here |
| 13:14.11 | crashanddie | ttyl |
| 13:14.11 | lcuk_work | back later |
| 13:14.22 | lcuk_work | cya lardman |
| 13:14.44 | lardman | bye lcuk_work |
| 13:17.44 | lardman | I could do with a scheduler so I can see which talks are on at which times at a conference, any thoughts? |
| 13:17.54 | lardman | for about 4 parallel sessions |
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| 13:27.48 | crashanddie | WOOOOOT |
| 13:27.54 | crashanddie | Repaired my MX 1000 :D |
| 13:28.33 | johnx | what was wrong with it? |
| 13:28.56 | crashanddie | short circuit |
| 13:28.59 | crashanddie | draining battery |
| 13:29.02 | crashanddie | kept scrolling up |
| 13:29.06 | crashanddie | damnit |
| 13:29.13 | crashanddie | I paid 50euro for a new mouse I'm not using :/ |
| 13:30.03 | johnx | That's nothing. I once paid 80yen for coffee that wasn't very good :/ |
| 13:30.19 | glass | you still used the coffee tho, no? |
| 13:30.38 | johnx | well, yeah, but only cause I couldn't put it on ebay |
| 13:31.19 | darkterror46 | :) |
| 13:31.24 | ShadowJK | 80 sounds kinda cheap |
| 13:31.40 | darkterror46 | well guess that taking of the noexecute in fstab didn't help |
| 13:31.55 | crashanddie | 80yen is like less than half a euro |
| 13:31.58 | crashanddie | no ? |
| 13:32.10 | crashanddie | heh |
| 13:32.15 | crashanddie | |
| 13:32.15 | crashanddie | 1 Euro = 165.471365 Japanese yen |
| 13:32.19 | johnx | :) |
| 13:32.27 | johnx | and yeah, it was really cheap coffee |
| 13:32.36 | darkterror46 | hehe |
| 13:32.53 | johnx | most of the stuff at ~120Y is actually pretty good (to my inexact taste) |
| 13:33.12 | darkterror46 | XD |
| 13:33.32 | lcuk_work | johnx, you have spoilt your taste buds, you must pay at least 9000 |
| 13:33.38 | johnx | but yeah, Pokka coffee. even the logo screams cheap. |
| 13:33.55 | crashanddie | I'm pretty sure they have recycled coffee there |
| 13:33.56 | crashanddie | "extra light" |
| 13:33.59 | lcuk_work | downstream from starbucks even |
| 13:34.04 | lcuk_work | literally.. |
| 13:34.19 | darkterror46 | hihihi |
| 13:34.26 | derf | lardman: Use a piece of paper? |
| 13:34.28 | lardman | speaking about coffee, that ip -over-dns sounds cool |
| 13:34.48 | crashanddie | that's old |
| 13:34.53 | lardman | derf: yeah, I've got that atm, but it's 23 pieces of 2-sided paper |
| 13:34.55 | darkterror46 | go get a really tasty short black |
| 13:35.07 | lcuk_work | lardman, derf is right: the paper they had for linuxtag schedule was great (of you can wait and see what scrolly goodness i come back with soon ;) |
| 13:35.22 | crashanddie | lardman, nstx still works pretty good, but the speeds are godawful |
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| 13:35.43 | lardman | I don't have a server though |
| 13:35.54 | johnx | lcuk_work, starbucks is pretty bleh. I'll take Tully's any day...(They're nicer there too) |
| 13:35.55 | lardman | I'll just reply on the conference having free wifi somewhere |
| 13:36.00 | lardman | s/reply/rely |
| 13:36.19 | lcuk_work | print to pdf and take that with you |
| 13:36.59 | crashanddie | lardman, well, from my tests, I managed about 3KB/s using NSTX |
| 13:37.09 | lardman | lcuk_work: paper's better than pdf though imo |
| 13:37.23 | lardman | crashanddie: would do to download email headers while drinking a coffee |
| 13:37.24 | lcuk_work | depends on the device, but yer i agree on the whole |
| 13:37.34 | lardman | crashanddie: I'll have to look into it later in the summer |
| 13:37.41 | crashanddie | lardman, if you need help |
| 13:37.41 | lcuk_work | is it a masssssssive conference with lots of tracks? |
| 13:37.51 | lardman | 4 tracks 5 days long |
| 13:38.55 | lcuk_work | is it worth just getting the sched into notes and just use almost unformatted text? |
| 13:39.32 | lcuk_work | hey :D you could get 1 n8x0 for each track |
| 13:39.42 | lardman | :) |
| 13:39.52 | overflok | Hi guys |
| 13:39.54 | lcuk_work | lay them side by side |
| 13:40.08 | lcuk_work | hi there overflo |
| 13:40.09 | lardman | would be a bit od a pita entering all the paper titles tbh, I may just stick with paper anyway |
| 13:40.46 | lcuk_work | uh huh, sometimes a non technical solution works |
| 13:42.23 | lcuk_work | right, back to it agian, i think i might shut off vnc again, i actually got some work done yesterday ;) |
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| 13:54.56 | darkterror46 | :) |
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| 14:09.11 | Dekaritae | So, the Presence icon is gone. I have two accounts set up |
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| 14:10.42 | Dekaritae | Also, I cannot install Canola2, my device is mising the flash-and-reboot (=3) package and I cannot find it |
| 14:12.31 | johnx | Dekaritae, for the second problem, try to run apt-get -f install |
| 14:12.48 | johnx | for the first problem, maybe you disabled the presense icon. I thought there was a way to do that |
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| 14:13.55 | Dekaritae | I think the problem is related to there being no Presence check item under Panels -> Status bar |
| 14:16.32 | summatusmentis | does anyone have suggestions on getting better gps? |
| 14:16.46 | summatusmentis | even with agps, it takes upwards of 10 miutes |
| 14:16.49 | summatusmentis | minutes* |
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| 14:23.46 | melmoth | summatusmentis: using a 3rd party bluetooth gps ? |
| 14:23.57 | melmoth | i have been told they are some cheap ones |
| 14:25.29 | summatusmentis | melmoth: :-/ that sort of defeats the purpose of having the gps internally doesn't it? |
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| 14:26.01 | MangoFusion | what you need to do |
| 14:26.09 | MangoFusion | is form a local internet tablet users group |
| 14:26.17 | MangoFusion | so whenever you need a gps lock |
| 14:26.22 | MangoFusion | and you get bored waiting |
| 14:26.26 | johnx | waiting 10 minutes for a lock sort of defeats the usefulness of GPS in a lot of situations |
| 14:26.29 | MangoFusion | just rant with them |
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| 14:26.32 | MangoFusion | and time will fly by |
| 14:26.44 | ShadowJK | tries to get a lock indoors |
| 14:26.47 | ShadowJK | 3 minutes and counting :-) |
| 14:28.02 | MangoFusion | went to rome the other week. only got a lock once on my n95 |
| 14:28.20 | MangoFusion | after about half an hour |
| 14:28.34 | ShadowJK | since you were roaming you probably didn't have data and then didn't have a-gps... |
| 14:28.37 | summatusmentis | johnx: exactly |
| 14:29.16 | johnx | is going to get the most killer bt gps he can find |
| 14:29.40 | summatusmentis | johnx: I don't wanna have to carry around a dongle(thing) |
| 14:30.13 | johnx | tape it to your body? |
| 14:30.13 | ShadowJK | I have a insmat SirfIII bluetooth gps dongle too, it's superfast and gets a lock in like half a minute as long as you don't touch it with your hand or move it |
| 14:30.17 | johnx | they're really small |
| 14:30.49 | ShadowJK | 6 minutes and N810 doesn't seem to have even managed to download almanac |
| 14:31.13 | mgedmin | indoors? |
| 14:31.18 | mgedmin | no surprise |
| 14:31.19 | ShadowJK | :) |
| 14:31.41 | mgedmin | you might get something sufficiently fix-like in an hour or two |
| 14:31.41 | ShadowJK | but it sees two birds, one at strength 35 and other at 32 according to maemo-mapper |
| 14:31.58 | bmr | yeah, that sounds about right for the n810 internal :) |
| 14:32.27 | ShadowJK | tbh, the sirfIII isn't getting anythign either |
| 14:32.29 | johnx | feels no buyer's remorse over being an N800 early adopter |
| 14:33.06 | lcuk_work | lardman|gone, jaffa, and others re: hardware/3d/iva/audio etc quim has asked for a page/info to give to his nokia colleagues. ill get a draft together later and we shall hammer out some more bits if you are around |
| 14:33.18 | lcuk_work | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=203578&postcount=76 |
| 14:33.49 | lcuk_work | (unless someone else can do a 1st draft before i get back) |
| 14:36.11 | mgedmin | once I opened maemo mapper, saved an existing track, and then saw that it got a fix almost as soon as the save was complete |
| 14:36.15 | mgedmin | that was under 30 seconds |
| 14:36.18 | mgedmin | I was very surprised |
| 14:36.43 | mgedmin | I had last used the gps a day before |
| 14:36.49 | mgedmin | and a few km from where I was then |
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| 14:46.16 | fysa | anyone used Internet Connection Sharing from a MacBook to an IT via AirPort? |
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| 14:48.47 | atul | Hi I return bc; bc = gpscwp but while collecting in caller it is \xe8gps\xe8c\xe8swp like this why so ? why extra character like \xe8 coming every time |
| 14:53.29 | atul | Have a look onto code base http://codepad.org/vFMofAzi |
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| 14:54.07 | Khertan_TheReal | Hi |
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| 14:56.13 | Khertan_TheReal | Someone can explain me what can wake this error -> sh: bad signal name 's' |
| 14:56.15 | Khertan_TheReal | ? |
| 14:56.42 | Khertan_TheReal | it s when i try to build a package with dpgk-buildpackage on my n810 |
| 14:57.44 | qwerty12 | Post the full log |
| 14:58.16 | Khertan_TheReal | hum :) |
| 14:58.26 | Khertan_TheReal | right ... i ll rewrite it :) |
| 14:58.28 | Khertan_TheReal | here |
| 14:58.34 | qwerty12 | It's easier because I can see which part is failing :) |
| 14:58.35 | melmoth | crappy shell ? |
| 14:59.03 | qwerty12 | busybox = crappy shell :P |
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| 14:59.32 | pyhimys | it tries to kill something |
| 14:59.46 | pyhimys | "kill -s" |
| 14:59.59 | Khertan_TheReal | i get /usr/bin/fakeroot: line 70: debian/rules: Permission denied sh: bad signal name 's' |
| 15:00.55 | qwerty12 | sounds like the busybox kill sucks. I'd try and extract the proper one from procps |
| 15:01.22 | qwerty12 | http://i34.tinypic.com/nyyae1.png - From nokia's default busybox config, me doesn't like :( |
| 15:04.01 | RST38h | KILL KILL |
| 15:04.14 | RST38h | now, who you wanted to kill? |
| 15:04.25 | qwerty12 | Begins with R and ends with h |
| 15:04.44 | RST38h | does /names |
| 15:06.06 | RST38h | btw, if anyone has an example of using xv to get omap yuv buffer, I would appreciate it ;) |
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| 15:08.30 | qwerty12 | Hmm, which is more preferred, -msoft-float or -mhard_float? |
| 15:08.39 | RST38h | soft |
| 15:08.46 | qwerty12 | Thank you |
| 15:09.10 | RST38h | there should be two options though |
| 15:09.26 | RST38h | lemme check |
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| 15:11.43 | RST38h | http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2008/05/17/gcc-options-and-floating-point/ |
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| 15:11.53 | RST38h | qwerty: here you go |
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| 15:12.01 | qwerty12 | Cool, thank you, reading |
| 15:12.44 | RST38h | it is somehow not obvious, dunno why |
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| 15:15.19 | smackpotato | w32codecs where. |
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| 15:16.29 | RST38h | localhost. |
| 15:17.12 | RST38h | German spam. Do they really spam in German now? |
| 15:18.14 | johnx | RST38h, they spam in every language known to man. I get spam in Chinese, Spanish, and 1337 speak |
| 15:19.13 | johnx | I really love the fake news ones |
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| 15:20.49 | MangoFusion | johnx: what, like "Nokia announces new N900 internet tablet! Click here to pre-order!" ? |
| 15:20.51 | RST38h | johnx: sure sign of the world ending. yes. |
| 15:21.03 | smackpotato | i was at a hyudi site and punched in my postal code for my winter adress, afrench nebourhood. google started serving me ads in french |
| 15:21.38 | RST38h | "Extend your penises (penii?) with an internet tablet from nokia" |
| 15:21.50 | johnx | MangoFusion, nah, like "pope assassinated" and " Queen Elizabeth abducted in Tibet" classic |
| 15:22.08 | johnx | smackpotato, automatic ad localization is often hilariously bad |
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| 15:22.30 | MangoFusion | ah yes, got one here |
| 15:22.31 | qwerty12 | RST38h: is that the reason for buying yours? :P |
| 15:22.37 | MangoFusion | "Hillary suffers horror car crash" |
| 15:22.52 | johnx | oh no! here horror-car crashed? |
| 15:22.59 | MangoFusion | "Warred Buffett taken to hospital by private jet" |
| 15:23.41 | RST38h | qwerty: definitely - two of mine were somewhat shorter than the rest and needed extension |
| 15:24.01 | qwerty12 | lol |
| 15:24.25 | RST38h | Hillary, Obama, and McCain all suffer horror car crash" |
| 15:24.43 | johnx | man, everyone has a horror-car but me :/ |
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| 15:25.14 | RST38h | I am still getting equipment-defiling arab cancer. |
| 15:26.23 | RST38h | apparently, it hasnt defiled that nigerian cyber cafe yet |
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| 15:28.01 | ShadowJK | "compelling page", what does that page say? |
| 15:28.11 | RST38h | also getting lots of russian mail-order ladies - looks like spammers aint aware I can get those from retail |
| 15:28.57 | smackpotato | has anyone got sound from a bloomberg video on mplayer. is there codecs i should be installing |
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| 15:29.37 | lcuk_work | RST38h, what are you looking for? |
| 15:29.58 | lcuk_work | 's batsignal was flashing |
| 15:30.05 | johnx | smackpotato, run it from the command line and see what codec it tries to use |
| 15:30.14 | RST38h | lcuk: a code sample that shows how to init xv , get scr buffer, and show it |
| 15:30.29 | lcuk_work | liqbase |
| 15:30.50 | qwerty12 | licks base. now what? |
| 15:30.51 | RST38h | yes but you did not publish the src yet |
| 15:30.55 | lcuk_work | its in the garage |
| 15:30.57 | qwerty12 | It's in the svn |
| 15:31.07 | RST38h | ah |
| 15:31.22 | mk8 | Hi to all .... since 1 week I have problem to see video on my N810 device. In the multimedia viewer the video is with wrong colour, size while the audio is ok. If I open the menu the video became ok. Any suggestion? |
| 15:31.56 | qwerty12 | lcuk_work: just out of question, did you make any improvements in svn compared to your last binary test release? |
| 15:31.56 | mk8 | I not know which package I update 'cause the previous week worked fine |
| 15:32.51 | lcuk_work | fixed a couple of bugs, changed a few little things and started to re-put in all the test modules i took out for cleaning up. |
| 15:33.11 | lcuk_work | i hated stopping to sort out svn though |
| 15:33.17 | smackpotato | can i past it here |
| 15:33.22 | qwerty12 | skeen, may compile a copy later :) |
| 15:33.23 | smackpotato | Trying to force audio codec driver family dspmp3... |
| 15:33.24 | smackpotato | Trying to force audio codec driver family libmad... |
| 15:33.24 | smackpotato | Requested audio codec family [wma9spdmo] (afm=dmo) not available. |
| 15:33.24 | smackpotato | Enable it at compilation. |
| 15:33.24 | smackpotato | Requested audio codec family [wma9spdshow] (afm=dshow) not available. |
| 15:33.24 | smackpotato | Enable it at compilation. |
| 15:33.26 | smackpotato | Cannot find codec for audio format 0xA. |
| 15:33.27 | qwerty12 | smackpotato: www.pastebin.com |
| 15:33.36 | smackpotato | oops |
| 15:33.40 | ShadowJK | hm |
| 15:33.52 | qwerty12 | or www.slexy.org (before crashanddie gets a MAC-10 on me :P) |
| 15:34.15 | ShadowJK | Yeah I don't think wma3/9 is supported |
| 15:34.31 | qwerty12 | You wouldn't be able to use w32codecs anyway on a tablet. |
| 15:34.32 | johnx | mk8, did you mess with seeing boot messages? did you flash a different kernel? |
| 15:34.54 | lcuk_work | qwerty12, does crashanddie have shares in slexy? |
| 15:35.11 | qwerty12 | lcuk_work: no idea, all I know is that he knows the owner :P |
| 15:35.11 | RST38h | lcuk: going to get the src tonight, when I get to real internet |
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| 15:35.42 | qwerty12 | RST38h: if you want, I can tar.bz2 you a copy? |
| 15:35.47 | lcuk_work | RST38h, no prob what you aiming for? |
| 15:37.03 | mk8 | johnx: I not see any interesting message using dmesg |
| 15:37.28 | qwerty12 | mk8: did you install android? |
| 15:38.14 | johnx | mk8, what I mean is: Did you try to make the device show boot messages at startup? Did you flash a kernel? |
| 15:38.15 | mk8 | qwerty12: yes |
| 15:38.24 | qwerty12 | Use my kernel v2 then. |
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| 15:39.41 | mk8 | johnx: I use ssh connection to connect my laptop to the device and use dmesg to see the kernel message. |
| 15:40.26 | johnx | ok, enabling boot messages can cause the same problem :) |
| 15:41.00 | qwerty12 | really needs to fix the N800 android patch >.< |
| 15:41.23 | mk8 | qwerty12: ... the installation of android change the maemo kernel? So I suppose that the only choiche is reflash the device right? |
| 15:41.47 | RST38h | qwerty: phone. gprs. but will be able to get it tonight so thankd :) |
| 15:41.53 | mk8 | johnx: I not enabled anything .... but I not check it before try to install android on it |
| 15:42.06 | qwerty12 | mk8: No no, just flash this http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21709 :) |
| 15:42.11 | RST38h | lcuk: if you check my site there is something called emulib |
| 15:42.16 | qwerty12 | RST38h: Ah :/ |
| 15:42.27 | RST38h | lcuk: it is kinda like thin sys friendly sdl |
| 15:43.03 | lcuk_work | cool, but you are in for an uphill slog if ts geared for rgb |
| 15:43.10 | mk8 | qwerty12: I have N810 not N800 |
| 15:43.26 | qwerty12 | I have seperate kernels for both |
| 15:43.30 | RST38h | I am aiming to add yuv buffer support to emulib maemo version so that all emulators run faster |
| 15:44.05 | RST38h | lcuk: I do not care what the color space is - using palettes anyway |
| 15:44.12 | lcuk_work | its not just for maemo though :) theres lots of devices with nice quick yuv but slow general graphics ;) |
| 15:44.32 | lcuk_work | palettes will leave you needing to write 3 seperate locations per pixel |
| 15:44.34 | RST38h | lcuk: then I will also add it to unix version |
| 15:44.44 | RST38h | lcuk: why? |
| 15:44.57 | RST38h | yuv mode is bitplane based? |
| 15:45.06 | lcuk_work | yuv is full 24bit color range with lower physical pixel density for chroma channels |
| 15:45.10 | lcuk_work | yes |
| 15:45.12 | lcuk_work | 3 planes |
| 15:45.20 | RST38h | oh shit |
| 15:45.30 | lcuk_work | hence RGB is uphill.. |
| 15:45.44 | lcuk_work | hence me originally saying greyscale x11 would be doable |
| 15:45.51 | RST38h | ok. is there a chunky mode in which I can use direct screen buffer, rgb or yuv? |
| 15:45.52 | lcuk_work | without hardware conversion |
| 15:46.18 | lcuk_work | sdl uses mmaped region using 16bit rgb |
| 15:46.31 | RST38h | yuv by itself is ok but planar buffers suck |
| 15:46.41 | lcuk_work | planar rocks :) |
| 15:47.05 | RST38h | aaaaaargh..they are taking me away!!! |
| 15:47.09 | lcuk_work | 1*256grey + 2*256 color |
| 15:47.35 | RST38h | 3 reads per pixel for hw though |
| 15:47.53 | lcuk_work | 3 writes per pixel to write it |
| 15:48.14 | lcuk_work | if you used the native epson YUV mode it would be even worse... thats interleaved in a really strange way |
| 15:48.24 | crashanddie | lcuk_work, I paid for the domain name |
| 15:48.35 | crashanddie | qwerty12, and I don't have a MAC-10 |
| 15:48.52 | qwerty12 | :P |
| 15:49.08 | lcuk_work | im aiming to get a flat 16/24bit buffer inside the omap2420 SARAM and use the IVA to convert that directly from RGB to correct YUV data in main memory |
| 15:49.20 | lcuk_work | flat 16/24bit RGB |
| 15:49.40 | lcuk_work | ahhh crashanddie so you do have shares in it |
| 15:50.13 | crashanddie | lcuk_work, it's non-profit for all I know, atm |
| 15:50.17 | crashanddie | so no, I don't have shares in it |
| 15:50.23 | crashanddie | I will when he starts making some money out of it |
| 15:50.28 | lcuk_work | you do: 50% of 0 |
| 15:50.42 | lcuk_work | or whatever your share is ;) |
| 15:51.29 | lcuk_work | anyway, back afterwards. |
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| 16:28.21 | johnx | I just don't understand how much attention it got O_o |
| 16:28.43 | Stskeeps | bored geeks? |
| 16:28.44 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:29.02 | johnx | yeah, I guess, but I thought the guy would get shot down pretty quick |
| 16:29.46 | Stskeeps | cows are a fetish of many geeks |
| 16:29.50 | Stskeeps | and when it's ascii cows.. |
| 16:29.51 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 16:37.44 | Khertan_n810 | Hi again ! |
| 16:37.51 | johnx | hello |
| 16:38.15 | Khertan_n810 | qwerty12 are u here ? |
| 16:38.22 | Khertan_n810 | hi johnx |
| 16:38.25 | qwerty12 | Khertan_n810: sure |
| 16:38.36 | jott | haha @ubuntu bug |
| 16:38.55 | jott | comments are great too ;) "In theory, cows can not speak either. Which is probably why they're so tasty." |
| 16:39.05 | Khertan_n810 | u said tomorrow that u have successfully use dpkg-build package on n8x0 |
| 16:39.22 | Khertan_n810 | but i get some strange error |
| 16:39.30 | qwerty12 | I've never said that. |
| 16:39.47 | johnx | qwerty12, you'll say it tomorrow :) |
| 16:40.05 | Khertan_n810 | ah oups |
| 16:40.14 | qwerty12 | Hehe johnx. |
| 16:40.18 | Khertan_n810 | i mean yyesteterday |
| 16:40.26 | Khertan_n810 | but maybe it someone else |
| 16:40.31 | Khertan_n810 | don t remember |
| 16:40.32 | johnx | sorry Khertan_n810. I couldn't resist :) |
| 16:40.42 | Khertan_n810 | normal |
| 16:41.13 | Khertan_n810 | walking and writing at the same time is very easy |
| 16:41.17 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 16:41.33 | qwerty12 | If you are getting that sh bad signal message, I'd just extract kill from procps. |
| 16:41.36 | johnx | on a cell phone link? |
| 16:41.41 | jott | Khertan_n810: if you tell use the strange error we might be able to help you.. |
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| 16:42.15 | lardman | johnx: lol |
| 16:42.22 | lardman | @ cow |
| 16:43.17 | johnx | cow: lol @ lardman :P |
| 16:44.07 | Khertan_n810 | /usr/bin/fakeroot: line 70: debian/rules: Permission denied |
| 16:44.25 | jott | in fact i really like oldschool ascii art ;) |
| 16:44.43 | jott | chmod +x debian/rules ? |
| 16:45.14 | Khertan_n810 | nope |
| 16:45.26 | X-Fade | Did anybody receive the mail about the summit twice yet? :) |
| 16:45.36 | qwerty12 | Khertan_n810: what's the first line of debian/rules? |
| 16:45.39 | Khertan_n810 | it s already +x |
| 16:46.16 | Khertan_n810 | #!/usr/bin/make -f |
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| 16:49.44 | lcuk | \o/ super rocket turbo boost power journey home |
| 16:49.55 | jott | X-Fade: i did not even get the first one :O |
| 16:50.20 | X-Fade | hehe, well they were sent out twice :( |
| 16:50.55 | lcuk | jott, aint that because the flight from your house (which practically overlooks c-base) would take longer than just rolling out of bed and going downstairs? |
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| 16:51.38 | jott | lcuk: an helicopter to c-base would be very appreciated. |
| 16:52.02 | lcuk | ill bring my RC one if you like, but since I know you aint a midget i think you will have to go on a diet |
| 16:52.35 | lcuk | note: would an umpta-lumpa consider the nokia as a UMPC? |
| 16:52.43 | lcuk | -t |
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| 16:54.13 | Khertan_n810 | what is strange is the bad signal 's' |
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| 16:56.03 | lcuk | Khertan_n810, i have dpkg-buildpackage on my 810: it works i think, but i had to clear out the clear script it uses _dh_clear i think |
| 16:56.42 | lcuk | i say it works: its found all the info, has built my package but is stuck at the "make install" bit, but thats because my makefile doesnt have an install section yet |
| 16:57.16 | Jaffa | Cor, zerojay's resurfaced on ITT |
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| 16:57.53 | mgedmin | waah, the maemo.org ssl certificate expired today |
| 16:57.57 | mgedmin | now firefox 3 is punishing me |
| 16:58.04 | Khertan_n810 | do u mean dh_clean ? |
| 16:58.12 | lcuk | Khertan_n810, yes |
| 16:58.13 | Jaffa | mgedmin: X-Fade said they were working on it |
| 16:58.26 | lcuk | it fails because find on the n810 doesnt have the required params |
| 16:58.31 | mgedmin | prods X-Fade |
| 16:58.33 | lcuk | i can live with a few extra tmp files |
| 16:59.15 | johnx | the one thing to be careful of is to manually clean compiled binaries/objects and do a fresh build before release |
| 17:00.05 | lcuk | jott, would it be wise then to call make clean instead of running the full thing, i just vaped it instead of checking and removing the specific bits |
| 17:00.47 | X-Fade | mgedmin: The maemo.org ssl certificate didn't expire. The wiki.m.o one did. |
| 17:00.48 | lcuk | or does it get cleaned before building anyway - i noticed it did do a full rebuild when i ran it |
| 17:01.09 | Khertan_n810 | hum ... |
| 17:02.13 | Khertan_n810 | this is not that |
| 17:02.22 | lardman | Is the General about, or off on hols now? |
| 17:02.33 | qwerty12 | lcuk: why not point dh_clean to use a gnu find? |
| 17:04.29 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, PING |
| 17:04.30 | Khertan_n810 | do u use fakeroot ? |
| 17:04.53 | lcuk | Khertan_n810, no, real root im on device. |
| 17:05.08 | Khertan_n810 | hum maybe that |
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| 17:09.27 | lcuk | qwerty12, lack of knowledge was big and i just wanted to get past to sort the rest out. |
| 17:09.49 | t_s_o | hey lcuk, you think timeless found anything interesting? |
| 17:10.17 | jott | lcuk: but it should be just one line to change.. :O |
| 17:10.26 | jott | and you already found the line :) |
| 17:12.30 | lcuk | i know i did jott, ill put it back another time |
| 17:13.24 | overflok1 | Hi lcuk |
| 17:13.35 | lcuk | hi overflok1 :) |
| 17:13.45 | overflok1 | Could I sen you some files |
| 17:14.09 | lcuk | through here or email? |
| 17:14.16 | overflok1 | i don't know if this file can help you for IVA |
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| 17:14.37 | overflok1 | Here |
| 17:14.39 | lcuk | nor do i. |
| 17:15.06 | lcuk | go for it, but i dunno if i can open any other ports |
| 17:15.27 | lcuk | sets virusscan to paranoid, prepares the grenades and hides in a bunker |
| 17:15.47 | lcuk | where are you from overflok1 |
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| 17:16.24 | overflok1 | Italy |
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| 17:16.39 | overflok1 | I'm overflo |
| 17:17.00 | overflok1 | And you ? |
| 17:17.02 | lcuk | i know you are - you called in this afternoon as well, nice to see you |
| 17:17.07 | lcuk | im in england |
| 17:17.10 | lardman_ | hi overflok1 |
| 17:17.14 | overflok1 | Hi |
| 17:17.56 | qwerty12 | (lcuk's in the part where the accents are dodgy :P) |
| 17:18.11 | lcuk | slaps qwerty12 and send him to his room |
| 17:18.34 | qwerty12 | pulls out the knife |
| 17:19.07 | lcuk | OI! |
| 17:19.13 | lcuk | not amusing |
| 17:19.21 | qwerty12 | Nah, only joking, /me don't carry a knife anyway :) |
| 17:19.42 | qwerty12 | 'Tis London mentality. |
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| 17:20.29 | lardman_ | lcuk: in the mail to you |
| 17:20.36 | qwerty12 | Anyway, think I'd start on someone from the North? :P :). That's why I got involved with zontar that time when he said you sucked :P |
| 17:20.48 | lcuk | iva failed, i think the arm one will as well. overflok1 do you wanna mail them |
| 17:21.01 | lcuk | ie properly to liquid@gmail.com |
| 17:21.08 | overflok1 | Ok |
| 17:21.15 | lcuk | brb |
| 17:21.34 | lardman_ | mmmm, bangers and mash :) |
| 17:22.37 | lardman_ | How do I create a new page on the wiki? |
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| 17:23.06 | jott | wiki.maemo.org/Foo ? |
| 17:23.06 | lardman_ | where's GeneralAntilles when you need him!? ;) |
| 17:23.16 | lardman_ | oh, just type it in? |
| 17:23.21 | jott | should do it |
| 17:23.52 | overflok1 | Sent |
| 17:23.55 | lardman_ | cool, easy as that, thanks |
| 17:24.07 | overflok1 | Give me some feedback |
| 17:24.29 | overflok1 | i will play tennis |
| 17:24.34 | overflok1 | See you later |
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| 17:24.49 | lardman_ | overflok1: have fun |
| 17:24.59 | Khertan_n810 | hum lcuk still same error with root |
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| 17:25.06 | qwerty12 | Anyone built the gstreamer bad plugin set? |
| 17:25.12 | qwerty12 | would kill for xvid |
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| 17:26.00 | lardman_ | https://wiki.maemo.org/Opening_drivers_justification_to_Nokia |
| 17:27.02 | Khertan_n810 | what is the benefit of the 'sponsorship program' for nmaemo summit ? |
| 17:27.17 | Khertan_n810 | Does they pay for travel and hotel ? |
| 17:27.36 | lcuk_mashingspud | yes |
| 17:28.13 | lcuk | simon :) excellent ill do similar as you suggest for the 5mbit information - i dont think this needs drivers, just documentation |
| 17:28.36 | lardman_ | well you could stick it on the same page |
| 17:28.47 | lcuk | yes |
| 17:28.57 | Khertan_n810 | hum could be interesting if i can have an holiday |
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| 17:29.10 | lardman_ | also people, pleas feel free to add suggestions to that page |
| 17:29.36 | qwerty12 | johnx: like your avatar :D |
| 17:29.38 | lardman_ | it is a wiki so you can edit, but it would be easier for me if you just add comments |
| 17:29.55 | johnx | qwerty12, had it for a long time :D |
| 17:30.03 | johnx | I only just remembered to apply it |
| 17:30.10 | qwerty12 | didn't notice :) |
| 17:30.24 | lcuk | yes, people in the channel. this is a very important document. we aim to document clearly the hardware and resources we need to allow full functionality of our devices. http://wiki.maemo.org/Opening_drivers_justification_to_Nokia |
| 17:30.28 | Khertan_n810 | is there a ftp gui port for maemo ? |
| 17:30.34 | qwerty12 | maemoftp? |
| 17:30.40 | qwerty12 | bye |
| 17:30.57 | mgedmin | hm, I got two invitations to register for the maemo summit today |
| 17:30.57 | lcuk | i cant get on with https |
| 17:31.04 | mgedmin | I've registered already |
| 17:31.11 | lcuk | mgedmin, it got sent twice |
| 17:31.13 | lcuk | dont worry |
| 17:31.17 | mgedmin | and somehow I'm sure I'll get another two :) |
| 17:31.38 | jott | lardman_: i just s/OpenGL/OpenGL ES/ |
| 17:31.52 | lardman_ | indeed |
| 17:32.09 | jott | otherwise it's a good start |
| 17:32.14 | lcuk | simon, should i send a mail to the dev list? |
| 17:32.37 | lardman_ | might as well, also link to the ITT page where Quim asked where this was |
| 17:32.49 | jott | mgedmin: 18:45 < X-Fade> Did anybody receive the mail about the summit twice yet? :) |
| 17:32.55 | lcuk | the more eyes that look the better it will be |
| 17:33.00 | lardman_ | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=203578&postcount=76 |
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| 17:34.25 | lardman_ | goes for a quick bit of Rainbox Six Vegas therapy, bbiab |
| 17:34.26 | jott | another question is the phrasing "Opening drivers".. maybe "deliver" or "supply" or something along the line would be more appropiate |
| 17:34.56 | jott | (so we do not imply in first instance that we want the source but only in second ;) |
| 17:35.06 | lardman_ | yeah, bit stuck with that now though as it's the page url |
| 17:35.16 | lcuk | agreed jott, documentation and implementation details are more important than source |
| 17:35.18 | jott | it can be renamed ;) |
| 17:35.41 | jott | (and redirected) though i am not a wiki guru to know offhand how to.. |
| 17:35.44 | lardman_ | perhaps just to "drivers_justification" then |
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| 17:36.23 | lcuk | lardman_, :) go shoot some stuff |
| 17:36.44 | jott | i wonder how alt software fits in the whole puzzle .. |
| 17:36.49 | lardman_ | https://wiki.maemo.org/Drivers_justification |
| 17:36.54 | lardman_ | done |
| 17:37.01 | Khertan_n810 | hum maemoftp isn t really usefull can t change folder |
| 17:37.02 | Khertan_n810 | :( |
| 17:37.09 | lardman_ | craftily hidden in the "Move" tab ;) |
| 17:37.59 | Khertan_n810 | error : can't change folder |
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| 17:41.25 | lcuk | jott, |
| 17:41.53 | fnordianslip | hiya. is there a good cure for the dangling symlinks quirk with apt-get in diablo? or even a known cause? |
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| 17:54.11 | penguinbait | <fnordianslip> take a look at this http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21613 |
| 17:57.13 | penguinbait | you can also get GNU find from penguinbait.com/find.gz |
| 17:57.30 | Atarii | lcuk how did you say to fix "make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.16.27-omap1/build: No such file or directory, Stop." ? |
| 17:57.30 | penguinbait | and do this find / -follow -type l |
| 17:58.06 | lcuk | when? |
| 17:58.24 | Atarii | a while ago, think you said to symlink it to somewhere |
| 17:58.47 | lcuk | you sure it was me - i dont know the first thing about symlinks |
| 17:59.05 | Atarii | oh man, lol maybe not :p |
| 17:59.11 | lcuk | last time i tried i almost blew my device up (i tries to symlink /dev to /media/mmc1 |
| 17:59.19 | Atarii | ha |
| 17:59.51 | lcuk | penguinbait, are you comin to the summit? |
| 18:00.00 | penguinbait | nope |
| 18:00.22 | penguinbait | I really cant afford it even if the travle and hotel are paid |
| 18:00.38 | fnordianslip | penguinbait: thanks. I've already tried the tweak posted by reiv, but it seems to make no difference. |
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| 18:00.52 | jott | Atarii: "build" is usually a link to the kernel headers (or sources) |
| 18:01.30 | lcuk | penguinbait, :( shame |
| 18:01.43 | penguinbait | maybe Maemo Summit 2009, Las Vegas? Hawaii? |
| 18:01.46 | lcuk | jott: https://wiki.maemo.org/Drivers_justification |
| 18:01.52 | penguinbait | :) |
| 18:02.06 | lcuk | maemo summit 2009: martian winds |
| 18:02.30 | penguinbait | Honestly Berlin is not on my list of places I want to visit, not to offend anyone |
| 18:03.11 | lcuk | i was underwhelmed about going before linuxtag, but i had the most amazing time: Berlin really surprised me. and the location is totally unimportant anyway - its the company you see |
| 18:03.44 | lcuk | i think linuxtag occured on the best days of this year so far: hot and sunny the whole time. it was amazing |
| 18:03.47 | Atarii | jott: aha, ill try the headers instead, thanks |
| 18:04.03 | jott | i wonder if it is good to ask for so much at once.. |
| 18:04.57 | jott | penguinbait: i feel offendend :P |
| 18:05.10 | penguinbait | The whole spending a day flying to spend 2 days in Germany, then another day flying back,, Its just not that enticing to me. Its also kind of short notice |
| 18:05.38 | lpotter | i could go for hawaii |
| 18:05.39 | lcuk | penguinbait, you can stay for 5 days |
| 18:05.47 | penguinbait | Sorry jott, I dont want to go to New York or LA either :) |
| 18:06.52 | lcuk | can we at least get a life sized cardboard cutout of these people and maybe use a projector to render a skype call onto the head? |
| 18:07.10 | penguinbait | hehe |
| 18:07.46 | jott | lcuk: have you actually tried to investigate accessing the sram? |
| 18:07.55 | lcuk | where is it... ? |
| 18:08.02 | lcuk | this is what documentation is all about |
| 18:08.17 | jott | lcuk: drivers/video/omap/dispc.c atleast reads "#define OMAP2_SRAM_START 0x40200000" |
| 18:08.33 | lcuk | well thats a start :D ill try there |
| 18:08.33 | summatusmentis | johnx: was it you who was excited about Android? |
| 18:08.54 | johnx | summatusmentis, more excited about it on a phone, but yes |
| 18:08.55 | lcuk | i thought all that was invalid though jott |
| 18:09.04 | summatusmentis | johnx: have you seen http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080715-googles-android-platform-not-so-open-after-all.html ? |
| 18:09.07 | lcuk | as in, not used for our device |
| 18:09.25 | johnx | summatusmentis, not yet |
| 18:09.26 | johnx | reads |
| 18:10.10 | Khertan_n810 | does we can use dpkg-buildpackage on it ? |
| 18:10.12 | jott | lcuk: i just stumbled upon this.. but so to say, the kernel source seems to reveal atleast some of the stuff ...:) |
| 18:10.16 | johnx | summatusmentis, I'll read it in depth later, but it sounds like the same thing as Nokia pretty much anyways |
| 18:10.20 | Khertan_n810 | if no, it doesn t interest me |
| 18:10.43 | johnx | things will either get more open after launch or I won't buy an android phone, simple as that :) |
| 18:10.51 | summatusmentis | well, I'm not sure how Nokia works, but it's disappointing nonetheless |
| 18:10.53 | lcuk | jott, im putting that in the discussion page, until its confirmed ill leave it there |
| 18:10.56 | jott | otoh i wonder if it is good to propose a list of things and not just target one specific thing (like only powervr) |
| 18:11.00 | lcuk | im testing now by the way |
| 18:11.34 | johnx | summatusmentis, well, they had to give the SDK to skype before they gave it to users, otherwise there wouldn't always be a version of skype ready to launch with new firmware |
| 18:12.15 | summatusmentis | and how many users use skype? :) |
| 18:12.24 | johnx | that's not the point :P |
| 18:12.43 | summatusmentis | lol, I guess it's fair. I was hoping Google would be more open though, you know? |
| 18:12.51 | johnx | the same is true with gizmo and wayfinder maps |
| 18:13.00 | johnx | google isn't really that open though |
| 18:13.22 | johnx | they don't release source to their desktop apps either |
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| 18:14.11 | johnx | if they live up to their claims and put the whole thing under the Apache license after launch, then it's good enough for me. If not, I'll have to decide whether I want a different phone... |
| 18:14.59 | Cobi | I seem to have managed to corrupt maemo's email cache (or maybe an email config file) by hard resetting it. What do I need to do to reset the email app? (Right now it just segfaults) |
| 18:15.32 | summatusmentis | johnx: I know, but they should :-/ I want OpenMoko to succeed, and then it can be put on better hardware |
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| 18:16.45 | johnx | summatusmentis, well, no point in getting worked up now. There's nothing we can do to google except vote with our wallets (and later with development) |
| 18:17.33 | summatusmentis | johnx: no, I agree, still disappointing |
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| 18:17.59 | johnx | yeah. The article acts like it doesn't happen all the time though |
| 18:18.31 | johnx | if you watch Nokia, even Canola gets the short end of the stick compared to skype/gizmo/wayfinder |
| 18:20.12 | summatusmentis | canola is a much better app than all of those :) |
| 18:20.22 | rm_you | ahh |
| 18:21.08 | rm_you | awake again :) |
| 18:21.12 | johnx | attempts to build modest for zaurus |
| 18:21.21 | johnx | rm_you, headed to sleep myself in a couple minutes |
| 18:21.40 | lpotter | zaurus hey |
| 18:21.54 | johnx | yeah, we'll see how it goes |
| 18:22.12 | johnx | right now, not so well |
| 18:22.12 | lpotter | all my zaurus are gathering dust ;( |
| 18:22.46 | johnx | my 5500 is gathering dust, but I think I'll get it working soon as a dictionary/ebook reader/mp3 player |
| 18:22.56 | johnx | maybe get a new battery for it if it works out well |
| 18:23.16 | summatusmentis | mine are both sitting on my dresser |
| 18:23.27 | fnordianslip | i'm trying to make a debug build of wlancond so i find out why it segfaults with my modified kernel, but getting bogged down building it due to difficulties with its dependency on cx3110x-module-src. does anyone have any tips for building wlancond in scratchbox? |
| 18:24.03 | johnx | fnordianslip, get the cx3110x source. It's open |
| 18:24.05 | fatal- | Cobi: find the folder where it stores it's stuff and delete / rename it, maybe |
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| 18:25.12 | fnordianslip | johnx: i\ve got the source, but get build errors when i try 'make modules' ... does the cx3110x-module-src-2.0.15 source have to built anywhere specific, or will my home dir do? |
| 18:25.39 | Cobi | Yeah, that worked, and what I was planning on doing. What I was asking for was the location for that folder :) - ~/apps/email/ is where it is by the way. |
| 18:26.01 | johnx | fnordianslip, Uhm, I don't think it needs anything special. I built it a couple months ago |
| 18:26.22 | rm_you | johnx: well, night then >_> |
| 18:26.36 | rm_you | johnx: i'm sort of regretting moving to a "normal" sleep schedule |
| 18:26.38 | rm_you | <_< |
| 18:26.45 | johnx | rm_you, I'll be on for a couple more minutes |
| 18:26.52 | johnx | I want this damn thing to compile :| |
| 18:27.04 | fnordianslip | johnx: get the following kind of thing, which is odd, as the directory is there ... |
| 18:27.05 | fnordianslip | make: Entering an unknown directory |
| 18:27.05 | fnordianslip | make: *** SUBDIRS=/home/darren/cx3110x-module-src-2.0.15/src: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 18:27.30 | johnx | strange |
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| 18:35.42 | RST38bis | back |
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| 18:36.59 | summatusmentis | hi RST38bis |
| 18:37.32 | RST38bis | ehlo summa |
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| 18:38.28 | RST38bis | lcuk: so,returning to that topic of screen buffers... |
| 18:39.17 | fnordianslip | johnx: might be a stupid question, but more likely to be a stupid me. i'm trying to build the cx3110x source with "make modules" in scratchbox. should i be doing something else instead? |
| 18:39.38 | johnx | honestly, I don't remember quite how I did it |
| 18:39.54 | fnordianslip | k. no worries. |
| 18:39.57 | johnx | there's a guide up on compiling kernel modules, though I thought I remembered using Debian tools to compile |
| 18:39.58 | lcuk | RST38bis, ive got my head in about 30 files at the moment |
| 18:41.52 | johnx | alright, now I really need to sleep, night all |
| 18:42.45 | RST38bis | if yuv mode keeps 3 tables and not one, using it for dynamic content is unfeasible |
| 18:43.15 | lcuk | what do you mean dynamic content? |
| 18:43.17 | RST38bis | which leaves us with mmapped rgb buffer... |
| 18:43.49 | lcuk | https://wiki.maemo.org/Drivers_justification |
| 18:43.51 | RST38bis | content that changes at 25fps |
| 18:44.04 | lcuk | RST38bis, read that - in the long run that may be better for you |
| 18:44.35 | lcuk | BUT, dynamic content as in needing to read pixels modify them and write back, or dynamic content as in clear screen and blit loads of sprites onto it |
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| 18:47.20 | RST38bis | lcuk: generating images pixel by pixel at 25fps |
| 18:47.20 | RST38bis | not needing to read tthem of course |
| 18:47.20 | RST38bis | 16bpp rgb will be faster |
| 18:48.06 | lcuk | RST38bis, even 16bit you wouldnt have enough oooomph in the cpu to do more than a small screen per frame |
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| 18:48.41 | lcuk | why pixel by pixel by the way: most games etc use sprites dont they? |
| 18:49.37 | lcuk | can only think of things like fire and plasma type displays which need per pixel updates |
| 18:49.58 | RST38bis | lcuk: emulators |
| 18:50.08 | jott | 3d engines? :) |
| 18:50.17 | RST38bis | lcuk: I write emulators. |
| 18:50.23 | derf | Basically everything _except_ sprite-based games. |
| 18:50.56 | lcuk | yes, but dont emulators emulat machines which used to have very limited graphics capabilities and used blitters and stuff to throw sprites around? |
| 18:51.18 | lcuk | jott, 3d rendering is newish :P |
| 18:51.36 | RST38bis | yes but you still generate screen in pixels |
| 18:51.50 | derf | Newish as in 30 years old? |
| 18:52.39 | RST38bis | anyways, planar mode won't do :( what do you know of that mmapped rgb mode? is it any good? |
| 18:52.52 | lcuk | use sdl and find out |
| 18:52.53 | derf | lcuk: Lots of the old games would do fun stuff like represent sprites by the asm code needed to blit them to the screen. |
| 18:53.24 | derf | So, you know, not exactly easy to pick apart and translate into a high-level blitting operation in an emulator. |
| 18:53.27 | lcuk | nice :D they used the same kind of hacks back then as we need to do for this device :D |
| 18:53.48 | derf | Of course. You thought this stuff was new? |
| 18:54.03 | lcuk | RST38bis, if you absolutely need a wholescreen pixelmap its gonna be slow whichever way you go about it |
| 18:54.20 | RST38bis | lcuk: the wiki page does not provide any valid justification |
| 18:54.34 | jott | lcuk: emulators usually do not need 800x480.. |
| 18:54.34 | lcuk | no derf, i started with spectrums and character based sprites |
| 18:55.05 | lcuk | understood entirely jott - i said that up there ^^^^ |
| 18:55.06 | RST38bis | lcuk: well, i wanna it to be as fast as possible ;) |
| 18:55.26 | lcuk | RST38bis, if theres no justifications then add some, or notes on the discussion page |
| 18:56.09 | RST38bis | lcuk: i can write justification and a plan, but feel that it will be somewhat of time waste:( |
| 18:56.12 | GAN800 | Guess Canola made it to Diablo Extras. |
| 18:56.43 | lcuk | RST38bis, why? if we get a fast full resolution RGB bitmap available wont you be happy |
| 18:56.44 | RST38bis | basically, ine has to emphasize value to nokia not to community |
| 18:57.03 | RST38bis | lcuk: no |
| 18:57.10 | lcuk | i hope to use the IVA to translate that once per frame wholesale into YUV and out to the epson |
| 18:57.34 | RST38bis | lcuk: i don't think we will get anything out of this |
| 18:57.43 | RST38bis | ok, i will try. |
| 18:57.56 | lcuk | i think its better to try than to sit on our arses doing nothing |
| 18:58.02 | overflok1 | Lcuk have you program IVA? |
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| 18:58.04 | RST38bis | ga: with or without source code? |
| 18:58.08 | mgedmin | GAN800: really? I thought only packages with sources could make it |
| 18:58.29 | lcuk | package source is included: they rebuild the package but one step says "copy this binary" |
| 18:58.40 | GAN800 | X-Fade set up a non-free queue a few days ago |
| 18:58.41 | lcuk | overflok1, not yet, but i hope to |
| 18:58.43 | RST38bis | bleah. |
| 18:58.43 | mgedmin | is still trying to decide whether to stay for 3 or for 5 nights in berlin... |
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| 18:59.02 | RST38bis | ga: does it let you dput? |
| 18:59.02 | GAN800 | lcuk, you sure about that? ;) |
| 18:59.04 | lcuk | lol mgedmin if you arent going to the osim thing is 5 needed |
| 18:59.16 | lcuk | GAN800, that was the last info i heard |
| 18:59.26 | mgedmin | that's the thing: I don't know if I'm going to the osim thing |
| 18:59.26 | GAN800 | RST38bis, as far as I'm aware. |
| 18:59.50 | GAN800 | lcuk, there's an actual process for submitting non-free stuff now. |
| 19:00.30 | lcuk | cool |
| 19:00.50 | lcuk | so map andskype can go through as well then i gather |
| 19:01.26 | GAN800 | They're not Extras. |
| 19:01.37 | GAN800 | Those are handled through tableteer. |
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| 19:07.22 | summatusmentis | lcuk: I just tried the liqbase playtest.... I love you |
| 19:08.37 | lcuk | lolololololol |
| 19:08.39 | lcuk | you should |
| 19:09.16 | summatusmentis | it's beautiful... I want editing capabilities :) |
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| 19:10.01 | johill | has anyone attempted to build gphoto2 for maemo? |
| 19:10.51 | lcuk | heh, theres so many things that i am trying to get time to put in :) ive worked with vectors and strokes for ages, just think of it like a jott pad for now and write notes legibly and you might discover a new use for them in the near future |
| 19:11.12 | lcuk | every single stroke is saved and given a large enough sample size your own hwr will emerge :) |
| 19:12.10 | summatusmentis | hmm... intriguing... still, very exciting |
| 19:12.25 | jott | jott pad :O |
| 19:12.32 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, what did you need me for? |
| 19:12.34 | lcuk | summatusmentis, i use it every day and make notes and ideas - my graffiti wall stretches back to before linuxtag |
| 19:12.38 | GeneralAntilles | Awesome, X-Fade. :D |
| 19:12.55 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, lardman wanted to start a wikipage and didnt know how |
| 19:13.02 | GeneralAntilles | Oh |
| 19:13.04 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 19:13.14 | GeneralAntilles | That process is probably too simple for its own good. |
| 19:13.47 | lcuk | yes, its ok |
| 19:14.34 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, see if you can work a bit of magic: https://wiki.maemo.org/Drivers_justification |
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| 19:14.46 | summatusmentis | lcuk: cool, I'll play with it some more. Excellent job |
| 19:14.49 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, just went through the recent changes, one sec. |
| 19:16.04 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: pushing 0.13 through autobuilder |
| 19:16.21 | jott | 0.13 ooh :) |
| 19:16.43 | rm_you | jott: yeah, decided that even though we didnt REALLY release a 0.12, it existed as distinct |
| 19:17.31 | Atarii | hot |
| 19:17.38 | rm_you | Atarii: soon will have a test package for you |
| 19:17.45 | rm_you | Atarii: i put in a workaround for 124+ crash |
| 19:17.52 | Atarii | ah nice :p |
| 19:17.53 | rm_you | it *was* 124+ right? |
| 19:17.55 | Atarii | yea |
| 19:17.57 | rm_you | k |
| 19:18.00 | rm_you | well... |
| 19:18.12 | rm_you | you are just limited to [01]-123 now :P |
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| 19:18.26 | Atarii | simple enough |
| 19:18.28 | jott | rm_you: have you implemented the on-release stuff? |
| 19:20.36 | xnt | hello i want to mod the init_fs to have a boot menu using fanoush's bootmenu hack and i want to embedd my name into the initfs, but before i start i want to know what would happen if the init_fs was courrpted? and would i be able to recover it by reflashing it? |
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| 19:21.15 | rm_you | xnt: yes a reflash will overwrite initfs |
| 19:21.31 | rm_you | xnt: i believe you can also JUST reflash initfs from the flasher-3.0 |
| 19:21.34 | etrunko | anyone willing to try canola in diablo? |
| 19:21.43 | rm_you | etrunko: sure |
| 19:21.44 | etrunko | it's already available for testing in the extras-devel repository |
| 19:21.51 | rm_you | etrunko: i will grab it |
| 19:22.05 | xnt | so if i somehow mess up the initfs i can recover? |
| 19:22.09 | rm_you | xnt: yes |
| 19:22.17 | rm_you | it is very hard to brick these devices :) |
| 19:22.19 | xnt | yes canola 2 works in diablo |
| 19:22.21 | etrunko | okz... for some strange reason the youtube and last-fm plugins don't work atm |
| 19:22.34 | xnt | thanks |
| 19:23.00 | xnt | yea i installed youtube but it didn't show up |
| 19:23.35 | Atarii | rm_you: what's the best way to set the permissions on the backlight-level file at boot-time, making sure it is executed before the adv-b applet is initiated? |
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| 19:25.36 | RST38h | ga: Sorry, I missed part of the discussion, how did Canola get committed to extras? |
| 19:25.48 | RST38h | Did they have to hack it to "build |
| 19:25.53 | RST38h | " binaries from binaries? |
| 19:25.56 | xnt | btw i flashed diablo yesterday & i found some wimax/xohm icons in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/26x26 and /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable |
| 19:26.10 | rm_you | xnt: :P |
| 19:26.14 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, talk to etrunko. |
| 19:26.36 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, the option you're looking for is --flash-only=initfs |
| 19:26.43 | rm_you | yeah |
| 19:26.46 | rm_you | just saying, it is possible |
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| 19:30.19 | etrunko | RST38h: there is a non-free queue |
| 19:30.32 | xnt | ok i just found some 7 pin pads behind my n810s battery, and i just did a google search and i saw that it's a serial port |
| 19:30.42 | etrunko | in dput.cf |
| 19:30.44 | etrunko | [diablo-extras-devel-nonfree] |
| 19:30.46 | etrunko | ... |
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| 19:30.53 | etrunko | incoming = /var/www/extras-devel/incoming-nonfree/diablo |
| 19:30.56 | xnt | anyone have a clue on how to use them |
| 19:31.09 | xnt | and is minicom ported for maemo |
| 19:31.45 | etrunko | RST38h: it also applies to extras |
| 19:31.56 | etrunko | thanks to X-Fade |
| 19:31.57 | etrunko | :) |
| 19:32.05 | fnordianslip | xnt: i'm sure it is, but screen works ok, for certain things |
| 19:32.15 | xnt | ok |
| 19:33.02 | xnt | i just read that it needs a ttl level converter |
| 19:33.47 | xnt | i might use carman + serial port + level converter |
| 19:34.14 | xnt | and i also have a obd2 scan dongle |
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| 19:34.38 | xnt | but its from china but it has an elm327 chip |
| 19:34.50 | xnt | so im hoping it'll work |
| 19:35.47 | xnt | http://209.85.215.104/search?q=cache:gSdGuXdQzeIJ:www.bu3sch.de/n810.php+nokia+n810+serial+port&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us&client=firefox-a |
| 19:36.10 | RST38h | etrunko: I see. Thanks! |
| 19:36.11 | xnt | his site is down |
| 19:36.26 | RST38h | etrunko: Looks like I will be able to continue placing stuff there |
| 19:37.04 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I told you it would work out. ;) |
| 19:37.08 | RST38h | lcuk: I have added some stuff to wiki discussion |
| 19:37.24 | RST38h | GA: It is not considered to be worked out until I successfully place a package there =) |
| 19:37.29 | RST38h | lcuk: Check it out |
| 19:41.50 | etrunko | if you're successful you package may be somewhere in http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/non-free/ |
| 19:42.47 | lcuk | RST38h, those are very interesting points on the discussion page |
| 19:43.50 | GeneralAntilles | thinks it's quite indicative of the problem when somebody from Maemo Software doesn't know anything about the external bugzilla. . . . |
| 19:44.02 | RST38h | etrunko: and you can promote it to extras non-free using www interface? |
| 19:44.45 | etrunko | don't think so |
| 19:44.52 | etrunko | you upload to the extras non-free directly |
| 19:45.03 | lcuk | you are right to point them out, but we are not really looking at this point for nda level access, just clear documentation and binaries. (obviously if work comes from it its a bonus) |
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| 19:45.28 | lcuk | i gotta dash, handing computer to the kids for a bit. |
| 19:45.38 | lcuk | ill be back later jott / overflok1 |
| 19:45.46 | RST38h | lcuk: A lot of times you can only do it via NDA |
| 19:45.58 | RST38h | So I suggest we always mention the NDA option |
| 19:46.05 | lcuk | i do agree with you however |
| 19:46.10 | RST38h | No need to be extra valiant here |
| 19:46.17 | lcuk | uh huh |
| 19:46.35 | lcuk | ill catch up with you after ive had a think n stuff later |
| 19:46.54 | RST38h | etrunko: even easier then |
| 19:47.38 | etrunko | RST38h: indeed |
| 19:50.51 | RST38h | is fighting the urge to try it right away |
| 19:53.33 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, another 4 pages of uselessness from itT |
| 19:54.08 | hrw | morning |
| 19:54.18 | GeneralAntilles | Hi, hrw. :) |
| 19:54.41 | hrw | GeneralAntilles: you read itt still? |
| 19:55.16 | rm_you | oh dear god |
| 19:55.47 | RST38h | what is wrong with itt? |
| 19:57.34 | GeneralAntilles | hrw, I can't help it. |
| 19:57.41 | GeneralAntilles | It's like a horrible drug. |
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| 19:58.33 | hrw | RST38h: users, like always |
| 19:58.57 | RST38h | itt users have been relatively decent |
| 19:59.34 | GeneralAntilles | There's still a little inertia left over from back when itT was cool and useful that generates interesting threads every once and a while |
| 19:59.41 | GeneralAntilles | but those threads are few and far between. |
| 20:00.02 | karbas | has any had problems with n810 touchscreen |
| 20:00.16 | rm_you | as it turns out, theres a whole group of devs i didnt even know existed because they hang out on ITT not IRC! :P |
| 20:00.18 | karbas | on my n810 it just stopped working without any warnings |
| 20:00.20 | karbas | :/ |
| 20:00.34 | rm_you | or so i discovered from qgil's post on the maemo summit thing about all the ITT users that should go :P |
| 20:00.47 | GeneralAntilles | karbas, I've got a friend who went through two of them with bad touchscreens |
| 20:00.57 | GeneralAntilles | His first one was just straight up defective |
| 20:01.12 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: and I still can't believe he said basically "GeneralAntilles would be instantly accepted" and you still aren't going to go |
| 20:01.15 | GeneralAntilles | the second's panel connection probably wasn't seated properly |
| 20:01.21 | GeneralAntilles | karbas, RMA it ASAP |
| 20:01.22 | karbas | GeneralAntilles, oh.. so some kind of typical problem |
| 20:01.28 | karbas | GeneralAntilles, ok |
| 20:01.39 | GeneralAntilles | karbas, not typical |
| 20:01.42 | rm_you | karbas: yeah if it was bumped fairly hard and the connector was already loose, maybe it came unplugged <_< |
| 20:01.56 | rm_you | though I have taken my n800 apart a few times and the lcd connection always seems very solid |
| 20:01.58 | GeneralAntilles | I've heard of exactly two, now three, cases. |
| 20:02.07 | karbas | rm_you, ok |
| 20:02.13 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, scheduling, scheduling, scheduling. ;) |
| 20:02.15 | rm_you | err, well that would make the entire LCD fail if it was COMPLETELY unplugged... but loose, maybe weirdness |
| 20:02.18 | GeneralAntilles | Next year! |
| 20:02.18 | karbas | is there any warranty seal inside n810:)? |
| 20:02.27 | RST38h | GA: 90% of anything is fecal matter. |
| 20:02.42 | RST38h | The Sturgeon law applies to ITT as well |
| 20:02.42 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: FSCK your old family, WE'RE YOUR FAMILY NOW! :P |
| 20:03.06 | GeneralAntilles | karbas, don't believe so. |
| 20:03.15 | GeneralAntilles | But don't try and fix it apart. |
| 20:03.23 | GeneralAntilles | er, don't try to take it apart to fix it. |
| 20:03.45 | boolean | heh |
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| 20:06.43 | qwerty12_N800 | N810 service manual mentions no warranty seal but like GA says, don't open it up. |
| 20:07.23 | GeneralAntilles | Mobile devices aren't designed for their repairability. |
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| 20:07.46 | GeneralAntilles | You WILL mess something up and you WILL be out $400. :P |
| 20:10.23 | Jaffa | re |
| 20:10.27 | karbas | GeneralAntilles, ok |
| 20:10.29 | khertan_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:10.35 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: lo |
| 20:10.36 | khertan_ | Re and Hi ! |
| 20:10.37 | khertan_ | :) |
| 20:10.39 | karbas | normally opened phones for some fixing |
| 20:10.46 | karbas | but not any slider models |
| 20:10.50 | GeneralAntilles | Hey, Jaffa. |
| 20:11.17 | GeneralAntilles | karbas, it's just not worth the risk when you've got a perfectly good warranty. ;) |
| 20:11.18 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: seen the "TinyAVI Converter" thread on ITT? |
| 20:11.28 | karbas | GeneralAntilles, jeah:) |
| 20:11.41 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I've hovered over it, but never got up the energy to click on it. |
| 20:12.15 | qwerty12_N800 | Jaffa, the creator of that proggie is on #maemo, fight it out live :p |
| 20:12.16 | rm_you | is it decent? >_> |
| 20:12.24 | qwerty12_N800 | gets popcorn ready |
| 20:12.33 | rm_you | khertan_: probably need to do "chmod a+x debian/rules" |
| 20:12.44 | RST38h | KILL KILL |
| 20:12.57 | RST38h | [but don't forget to PLUNDER first] |
| 20:14.08 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, Jaffa, exactly what I feared it was going to be. :< |
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| 20:14.27 | Jaffa | qwerty12_N800: I'll probably either one of 1) try getting some semblance of machine features working together on OS X, 2) watch some telly or 3) sleep after spending far too much time *last night* on (1) |
| 20:14.59 | karbas | GeneralAntilles, gave just a tiny hit to other end of device and touch screen started to work.. but i'll take this to RMA some day |
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| 20:16.09 | RST38h | NASA sent a memo to its employees at the Johnson Space Center asking for their urine so they, NASA, could use it to test the Orion space capsule. How much urine? 30 liters per day, including weekends. |
| 20:16.19 | RST38h | Are they using it for fuel? |
| 20:16.50 | jaska | wtf |
| 20:16.55 | RST38h | "It's difficult to come up with a faux urine, explained NASA's Jim Lewis" |
| 20:16.56 | Stskeeps | RST38h: they sell it to pervs on ebay to gain funding for the space programme |
| 20:17.11 | RST38h | Sts: Not sure they will find buyers for THIS MUCH |
| 20:17.41 | Stskeeps | you never know.. it might be good enough for fields |
| 20:17.41 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 20:25.41 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, poor Victor just can't get anybody to bite. . . . |
| 20:28.35 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: indeed :-( |
| 20:28.56 | qwerty12_N800 | "Display is controlled via LCD controller using LOSSI interface (Low Speed Serial Interface)." :@ |
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| 20:29.35 | RST38h | heheh |
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| 20:30.51 | Churl | can you charge the n8x0 through the usb port? |
| 20:31.15 | hrw | no, you cannot |
| 20:31.25 | Churl | too bad, thanks! |
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| 20:32.25 | Cptnodegard | usb port on the 810, np, usb port on a pc, yes |
| 20:32.32 | Cptnodegard | np = no |
| 20:33.52 | Churl | so the n800 does not accept power to it's usb? |
| 20:33.59 | Cptnodegard | no |
| 20:34.18 | Cptnodegard | but there is a cable to charge it from a usb port, plugs into the normal charge port of the 810 |
| 20:34.39 | rm_you | Atarii: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/a/advanced-backlight/advanced-backlight_0.13-1_armel.deb |
| 20:35.55 | Churl | ah sound fun, I have an old nokia phone charger and an extra ipod charger.... |
| 20:36.35 | Cptnodegard | buy the original cable |
| 20:36.37 | Cptnodegard | so you wont fry shit |
| 20:36.41 | Cptnodegard | google ca-100 |
| 20:36.41 | GAN800 | rm_you, did you fix the permissions issue yet? |
| 20:36.50 | rm_you | GAN800: still no :/ |
| 20:36.54 | rm_you | GAN800: that comes next |
| 20:36.57 | rm_you | GAN800: I am thinking :/ |
| 20:37.18 | GAN800 | Ah, then I'm not gonna bother to get the 770 out of my backpack. :P |
| 20:37.24 | rm_you | PFFT |
| 20:37.28 | rm_you | i need to know if it works tho |
| 20:37.31 | rm_you | >_> |
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| 20:39.19 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=203723#post203723 |
| 20:39.21 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 20:40.05 | rm_you | heh |
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| 20:40.24 | rm_you | win :P |
| 20:40.36 | rm_you | also |
| 20:40.40 | rm_you | bows to GeneralAntilles :P |
| 20:40.48 | rm_you | M'lord :P |
| 20:41.05 | lcuk_afk | GeneralAntilles, why are you unzipping your fly? |
| 20:41.08 | Atarii770 | rm_you: installed 13-1 , works fine |
| 20:41.21 | rm_you | lol |
| 20:42.37 | Atarii770 | lol? |
| 20:43.07 | rm_you | Atarii770: coolness |
| 20:44.06 | qwerty12_N800 | rm_you, got a link for that kernel I compiled for you? :p |
| 20:44.23 | Atarii770 | why do shared folders on the network only show up randomly? |
| 20:44.29 | rm_you | qwerty12_N800: err, no, but I have the kernel and I can host it :P |
| 20:44.34 | rm_you | qwerty12_N800: give me a sec |
| 20:44.41 | rm_you | what do you want me to name it |
| 20:44.47 | rm_you | besides just zImage |
| 20:45.05 | rm_you | Atarii770: because windows shares are unstable and random :P |
| 20:45.14 | qwerty12_N800 | call it whatever :p |
| 20:45.17 | Atarii770 | ah sucks |
| 20:45.24 | rm_you | qwerty12_N800: give me a version string! :P |
| 20:46.21 | GAN800 | qwerty12suxmaemo4 |
| 20:46.29 | qwerty12_N800 | zImage-qwerty-pimped-kernel-diablo-rotation-48mmc-dsppatch-9mm-ak47-l337-qwertyp!mp |
| 20:46.32 | qwerty12_N800 | :P |
| 20:46.35 | qwerty12_N800 | :p |
| 20:47.01 | lcuk | qwerty12_N800, is that build 1 or 2? |
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| 20:47.34 | qwerty12_N800 | no idea, ill take a punt on zImage-qwerty-pimped-kernel-diablo-rotation-48mmc-dsppatch-9mm-ak47-l337-qwertyp!mp-build2 |
| 20:48.11 | Atarii770 | qwerty12_N800: can the rotation changes be put into the 770 kernel? |
| 20:48.29 | XTL | qwerty12_N800: sounds good |
| 20:48.51 | qwerty12_N800 | Atarii770, It's provided by the lcd controller :/ |
| 20:48.59 | qwerty12_N800 | XTL, thanks :p |
| 20:49.34 | Atarii770 | but it half works :( |
| 20:50.03 | GAN800 | Atarii, good question. It works for OS2005. . . . |
| 20:50.15 | qwerty12_N800 | Atarii, do you have an xrandr xserver installed? |
| 20:50.31 | qwerty12_N800 | *Atarii770 |
| 20:50.46 | Atarii770 | yea |
| 20:50.51 | rm_you | qwerty12_N800: http://www.ageofikon.info/zImage-qwerty-pimped-kernel-diablo-rotation-48mmc-dsppatch-9mm-ak47-l337-qwertyp!mp |
| 20:51.11 | qwerty12_N800 | haha, thanks rm_you! :p |
| 20:53.14 | Atarii770 | i have the xserver-xomap meant for n8*0 |
| 20:53.23 | Atarii770 | installed* |
| 20:53.25 | qwerty12_N800 | Nokia have a machine called trice. I've heard it all now :(... |
| 20:54.27 | Atarii770 | qwerty12_N800: fancy whipping up a quick 770 kernel to try? |
| 20:55.03 | rm_you | that has dvfs or whatever too right? |
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| 20:55.54 | Atarii770 | 24mmc also; my mmc cant handle 48 :( |
| 20:55.56 | Atarii770 | lol |
| 20:56.04 | qwerty12_N800 | Atarii770, I know nothing about 770 kernel compiling :/. I also can't compile a kernel on an n800 :p. |
| 20:56.23 | GAN800 | Be nice if Application manager would tell you what repo stuff is from. |
| 20:56.27 | hellwolf | we'll have maemo sashimi in September, isn't it |
| 20:56.34 | qwerty12_N800 | rm_you, well, if it didn't, your n800 would be a nice paper weight :p |
| 20:56.43 | rm_you | lol |
| 20:56.48 | Atarii770 | ah poop, anyone else able to? |
| 20:56.48 | GAN800 | That'll be particularly important moving forward with Extras-devel. . . . |
| 20:57.05 | Atarii770 | GAN800: seconded |
| 20:57.14 | qwerty12_N800 | rm_you, nah, i know what you mean and it does have the patch. |
| 20:57.18 | GAN800 | poop? Yes. |
| 20:57.55 | rm_you | qwerty12_N800: http://www.ageofikon.info/zImage-qwerty-20080715-dsp+mmc+rotation also |
| 20:58.03 | rm_you | if you want something more dignified :P |
| 20:58.05 | qwerty12_N800 | GAN800, poke the hell out of m-vo :p |
| 20:58.19 | GAN800 | qwerty12, have been. ;) |
| 20:58.25 | rm_you | i should really regiser a maemo-esque domain |
| 20:58.34 | qwerty12_N800 | rm_you, hehe, too late, i've already wgetted the old one |
| 20:58.35 | rm_you | s/regiser/register/ |
| 20:58.52 | GAN800 | just make sure it doesn't contain the word 'maemo'. |
| 20:58.53 | Atarii770 | rm_you: i just checked the 12-4 and max ==126 sorry |
| 20:59.06 | rm_you | OH |
| 20:59.07 | qwerty12_N800 | GAN800, cool. i think that's a nice feature request. |
| 20:59.12 | rm_you | *THAT* makes much more sense |
| 20:59.13 | rm_you | gah |
| 20:59.18 | rm_you | thanks |
| 20:59.25 | rm_you | now I might know why that bug exists |
| 20:59.40 | Atarii770 | 0-126? |
| 20:59.52 | lcuk | jaffa, ping |
| 21:00.04 | Atarii770 | fanoush' site says it goes to 127 |
| 21:00.20 | rm_you | yeah i dont think 770 includes 0 |
| 21:00.37 | rm_you | does *off* work? |
| 21:00.57 | rm_you | 0? |
| 21:01.15 | Atarii770 | no just checked |
| 21:01.23 | Atarii770 | that makes sense |
| 21:01.35 | rm_you | kk |
| 21:01.39 | qwerty12_N800 | "# General: SenseSurface sticks knobs onto screens (0) by jpramlak - 36 mins ago" - i lolled. |
| 21:06.50 | rm_you | Atarii770: it CRASHES on 126, or works on 126? |
| 21:07.06 | Atarii770 | works |
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| 21:14.51 | Jaffa | lcuk: pong |
| 21:16.30 | GeneralAntilles | lol, thoughtfix seems a little pissy about people's thumbing behaviors. . . . |
| 21:16.47 | GeneralAntilles | Though this is fairly awesome: https://maemo.org/profile/view/thoughtfix.html |
| 21:16.54 | GeneralAntilles | I had no idea negative karma was possible. |
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| 21:17.29 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles : heh |
| 21:17.34 | Atarii770 | rm_you: 0 work on 13-1 |
| 21:17.40 | Atarii770 | works * |
| 21:17.57 | GeneralAntilles | thumbed all of Aisu's posts for Donate button spam and general lameness. |
| 21:18.08 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: -ve overall karma's gotta smart. Especially when you're trying to make it your business |
| 21:18.29 | GeneralAntilles | I've never seen his blogs get thumbed down that hard. |
| 21:18.33 | GeneralAntilles | Kinda impressive, actually. |
| 21:18.40 | lcuk | ~lart the "thumb" icon for looking like a comment speech bubble |
| 21:18.40 | infobot | shoots the "thumb" icon in the head for looking like a comment speech bubble |
| 21:18.53 | GeneralAntilles | Ahaha |
| 21:18.57 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk's so blind |
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| 21:19.23 | lcuk | swings for GeneralAntilles but punches the wall instead |
| 21:20.01 | lcuk | jott, are you still floating around |
| 21:20.15 | GeneralAntilles | thoughtfix just doens't target the maemo.org crowd. |
| 21:20.36 | qwerty12_N800 | ~lart watchdog and crap cpufreq |
| 21:20.36 | infobot | squeezes watchdog and crap cpufreq till watchdog and crap cpufreq turns blue like papa smurf |
| 21:21.23 | lcuk | qwerty12_N800, ?? |
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| 21:22.28 | qwerty12_N800 | the cpufreq didn't work great enough and watchdog decided to reboot my n800 for being too slow. |
| 21:22.43 | lcuk | ahhh, but the watchdog works faster as well |
| 21:22.48 | fnordianslip | when I have my custom kernel installed, which breaks wlancond, by the way, i can no longer boot from my SD card using the boot menu. it tries but falls back to booting from flash. when i reflash my stock kernel, i can boot from sd again. any ideas why this might be? now i've nobbled wlancond to stop it from segfaulting until the device reboots, i need access to the dev tools on the sd card. |
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| 21:26.11 | qwerty12_N800 | wlancond broke for me when i used a custom version string. i really should apt-get source osso-wlan and see what it's problem is. |
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| 21:28.04 | fnordianslip | its sgefaulting in get_we_device_name() in dbus-handler.c for me |
| 21:28.13 | fnordianslip | segfaulting, even |
| 21:28.28 | jott | lcuk: yeah i'm here |
| 21:29.07 | lcuk | have you looked at the talk page, fanoush says the SRAM buffer is used already by the built in media player |
| 21:29.15 | qwerty12_N800 | fnordianslip, you may wish to ssh in when bootmenu is running and trying to pivot_root etc manually. alternatively, boot into flash and chroot to the sd card. |
| 21:29.46 | qwerty12_N800 | and your dev tools will be there etc |
| 21:30.24 | fnordianslip | qwerty12_N800: i wonder why it is different though with the custom kernel. good point about the chrooting |
| 21:31.01 | qwerty12_N800 | what have you added/removed/changed in the custom kernel? |
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| 21:31.19 | fnordianslip | i've added support for AX.25 networking |
| 21:32.20 | qwerty12_N800 | Don't see why that would cause problems :/. what .config file are you using? |
| 21:32.46 | fnordianslip | the stock one. the diff is minor, but i did change the version string. |
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| 21:33.46 | fnordianslip | did it segfault for you? |
| 21:33.47 | jott | lcuk: mh no. interesting. so it is usable indeed? |
| 21:34.52 | lcuk | well, if nokia are using it privately then yes it does mean its usable and useful, i would therefore like to know how we could use it |
| 21:34.54 | qwerty12_N800 | fnordianslip, different version strings cause problems with wlancond but did you use nokia_2420_defconfig as your base .config? |
| 21:35.03 | fnordianslip | qwerty12_N800: yep |
| 21:35.08 | lcuk | even if all this just ends up being a gaming engine |
| 21:35.30 | lcuk | i just dont see how fanoush knows its there - he isnt nokia internal as far as i know is he? |
| 21:35.45 | lcuk | and the source to the media player isnt open |
| 21:35.50 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, knows what is where? |
| 21:35.56 | jott | lcuk: well you can draw you conclusions if you invest some time |
| 21:35.59 | fnordianslip | qwerty12_N800: the freshly built stock kernel works fine and the diff to my own .config is only about 10 lines |
| 21:36.03 | lcuk | https://wiki.maemo.org/Drivers_justification |
| 21:36.26 | lardman | lcuk: I'm not so sure the 5Mbit buffer is *required* for the PowerVR |
| 21:36.29 | jott | (either by simply reverse engineering or by looking deeper into the kernel source) |
| 21:36.33 | qwerty12_N800 | fnordianslip, i'm all out of ideas, sorry. |
| 21:36.48 | fnordianslip | qwerty12_N800: i'll try with the default version string |
| 21:37.08 | lcuk | lardman, it might not be required but it will surely help speed things along if all memory access is internal to the omap package for as long as possible |
| 21:37.14 | lcuk | i want maximum performance |
| 21:37.25 | lcuk | and it exists so why not try to use it? |
| 21:37.53 | lcuk | look at the boost you got by moving your dsp buffers internally instead of accessing sdram |
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| 21:40.36 | lardman | lcuk: sure, just the wording |
| 21:41.15 | lcuk | agreed, i do not know how to put myself over that well |
| 21:42.03 | RST38bis | back, somewhat |
| 21:44.09 | lardman | I've changed the wording |
| 21:44.17 | lardman | don't think it's lost anything |
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| 21:47.27 | RST38bis | still editing that wiki page? |
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| 21:47.59 | lcuk | yes RST38bis :) |
| 21:48.37 | xnt | hey guys i have penguinbait's android deb installed but how do i rotate the screen? |
| 21:49.18 | xnt | and is a terminal app available |
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| 21:52.17 | fnordianslip | qwerty12_N800: i think it works with the default version string ;-) now to check that the kernel really does have the right features ... |
| 21:52.20 | RST38bis | hey, lardman, have you opened a bug about a2dp integration? |
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| 21:54.19 | xnt | ok brb i going next door to subways |
| 21:54.54 | qwerty12_N800 | cool. i'll probably try and have fun with osso-wlan. i feel like 2.6.21-omap1-qwerty12 :p |
| 21:55.37 | fnordianslip | change you name ... |
| 21:55.45 | fnordianslip | your name, even |
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| 22:00.05 | lardman | RST38bis: no |
| 22:00.31 | lardman | RST38bis: But I had some worrying news today from rm_you, video + a2dp-dsp doesn't work |
| 22:00.42 | RST38bis | should i open one? |
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| 22:01.00 | lardman | prob not until I work out what's up |
| 22:01.15 | RST38bis | ah, video is also using dsp? |
| 22:01.18 | RST38bis | ok |
| 22:01.53 | lardman | no, but if you use mplayer to play video & use dsp-sbc for output, the audio is fine, but the video is <1fps |
| 22:02.16 | lardman | looks like it might be some sort of memory copy contention issue; as a first guess |
| 22:02.53 | lcuk | lol lardman - you both might be getting the same SRAM ;) |
| 22:02.57 | RST38bis | weird |
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| 22:03.24 | RST38bis | it sounds too drastic for copy contention |
| 22:03.29 | lardman | lcuk: not the same, but perhaps the MMU isn't happy with the hit rate. I don't know |
| 22:03.48 | lardman | DSP does lots of 512byte copies |
| 22:04.04 | lardman | 512bytes -> DSP; 76 bytes-> ARM |
| 22:04.22 | lardman | so not optimimum in the grad scheme of memory copy things |
| 22:04.27 | lardman | s/grad/grand |
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| 22:04.30 | lcuk | was mediaplayer using all arm before - ie no dsp? |
| 22:04.53 | lardman | mplayer was |
| 22:05.04 | lardman | as the built-in won't do a2dp output |
| 22:05.35 | lcuk | sorry yes. what cpufreq is it set to - is mplayer being severly hit by the throttling? |
| 22:05.48 | lcuk | when dsp in use* |
| 22:05.51 | lardman | no, set to 400MHz |
| 22:07.13 | lcuk | ahhh, this is the custom kernel thing isnt it |
| 22:07.30 | lcuk | what if you reencoded the video to something really low? |
| 22:07.41 | lardman | usually it's pulled down to 330MHz so the DSP can run at 220MHz, but the kernel patch allows the DSP to run at 133MHz & ARM at 400MHz |
| 22:08.02 | lardman | he tested with a video which worked with ARM SBC encoding |
| 22:08.15 | lardman | so if you can't beat that, you're not doing so well :( |
| 22:08.34 | lardman | bbiab |
| 22:08.41 | lardman|r6vegas | :) |
| 22:09.15 | lcuk | cya later lardman|gone |
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| 22:26.39 | Medic119 | Why does sync have to be so difficult? |
| 22:28.59 | Medic119 | I have re-written my calendars like 3 times this afternoon.. |
| 22:29.15 | Medic119 | BTW, anyone else using openSUSE 11? |
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| 22:30.00 | lardman | too much adrenaline for this time of night |
| 22:30.11 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 22:30.40 | GeneralAntilles | What are you playing on? |
| 22:31.03 | RST38bis | the tablet?;) |
| 22:31.04 | lardman | Rainbow Six Vegas |
| 22:31.07 | lardman | ah no |
| 22:31.09 | lardman | :) |
| 22:31.24 | lardman | Nice dual core 2GB machine with 7900GTX |
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| 22:31.31 | GeneralAntilles | Ah |
| 22:31.41 | lcuk | lardman, yes thats the specs of the tablet |
| 22:31.58 | GeneralAntilles | Give it another 5 years. ;) |
| 22:32.06 | lardman | with PowerVR enabled ;) |
| 22:32.09 | lcuk | :D |
| 22:32.56 | lcuk | i wonder what it would take to make the tablet into an aux pad for gaming - showing weapon selection/maps etc |
| 22:33.07 | GeneralAntilles | With? |
| 22:33.55 | lcuk | with what? |
| 22:33.57 | lcuk | itself |
| 22:34.03 | lcuk | like the optimus maximus doofer |
| 22:34.08 | RST38bis | lcuk: not a lot of things |
| 22:34.33 | GeneralAntilles | Weapons for what? |
| 22:34.37 | GeneralAntilles | A game of some sort? |
| 22:34.45 | GeneralAntilles | That'd be highly dependent on the game. |
| 22:34.46 | RST38bis | lcuk: 1. find pc program that lets you control pc over wifi |
| 22:35.02 | GeneralAntilles | But any q3-based stuff would be a good candidate. |
| 22:35.08 | GeneralAntilles | Easy to hook into |
| 22:35.11 | RST38bis | lcuk: write compatible client for the tablet |
| 22:35.36 | lcuk | optimus maximus has some windows based editor to assign keycaps to locations - something similar and feed it keystrokes |
| 22:35.38 | lcuk | ahhh cool |
| 22:36.04 | GeneralAntilles | Be cool as a moving map for X-Plane |
| 22:36.06 | lcuk | i use mine as a very basic tv remote now |
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| 22:36.11 | lardman | was thinking of Optimus Prime |
| 22:36.14 | GeneralAntilles | As the 2nd-screen moving map nukes my fps |
| 22:36.18 | lcuk | lol lardman |
| 22:36.23 | GeneralAntilles | I use mine as a TV. :D |
| 22:36.32 | lcuk | its a bit cramped |
| 22:36.42 | RST38bis | i am sure ootimus maximus has a special valve to let excessive vapor out |
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| 22:37.00 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: X-plane will output UDP data so no need to nuke your framerate |
| 22:37.01 | GeneralAntilles | The Optimus keyboard is such a joke |
| 22:37.09 | lcuk | what i might REALLY want but never given it enough thought is playback of big pc movies through the speakers on 810 |
| 22:37.34 | RST38bis | there is a us company that made such keyboards for years |
| 22:37.35 | GeneralAntilles | Good luck with the audio sync. |
| 22:37.35 | lcuk | just audio |
| 22:37.46 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, mplayer has a sync adjustment option |
| 22:37.50 | RST38bis | for professional musician market |
| 22:37.51 | GeneralAntilles | I can't imagine paying that kind of cash for silicone dome board. |
| 22:37.53 | lcuk | once configured it should stay |
| 22:39.33 | lcuk | im gonna vanish anyway, been a long day |
| 22:39.40 | GeneralAntilles | Later. |
| 22:39.53 | lcuk | gnite chaps (i think) |
| 22:40.03 | RST38bis | same here |
| 22:40.09 | RST38bis | sleep. |
| 22:40.10 | lardman | nighty-night |
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| 22:42.48 | philn_ | hi |
| 22:43.17 | philn_ | how can i set the default gstreamer audiosink to use? |
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| 22:44.11 | lardman | urgh |
| 22:44.20 | lbt | Shopper's just gone beta :) |
| 22:44.22 | lardman | by the built-in media player? |
| 22:44.57 | lardman | philn_? |
| 22:45.27 | lardman | if so, not quite sure, but you ought to be able to fiddle with the metadata somehow |
| 22:45.30 | philn_ | lardman: i've got my BT headphones working with the gstreamer sink: "sbcenc ! a2dpsink device=..." .. but how to make the other apps using that? |
| 22:45.34 | lardman | not very helpful I know |
| 22:45.56 | lardman | ah, well mplayer can use it, as can anything else that uses an ALSA backend |
| 22:46.24 | lardman | how exactly you fiddle the built-in media player to do it I don't quite know |
| 22:46.30 | philn_ | i'm quite confused... alsa gst plugins doesn't seem available on my n810 (i'm using diablo) |
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| 22:46.55 | lardman | alsa directly |
| 22:47.04 | lardman | not through gstreamer |
| 22:47.34 | philn_ | is there a doc somewhere explaining the maemo "media framework"? |
| 22:47.41 | lardman | bug for this sort of configurability is what it needs |
| 22:47.43 | lardman | yes |
| 22:47.58 | lardman | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/2-x/getting_started.html has some clues on the metadata you might be able to edit |
| 22:47.59 | philn_ | because between mplayer, oms, etc... |
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| 22:49.13 | lardman | to get it working with a plain alsa backend, try johnx's a2dp deb |
| 22:49.30 | philn_ | esd... OMG |
| 22:49.47 | lardman | http://74.86.202.247/forums/showthread.php?s=b23ed74d6aca03f203c05d9b7b704cd4&t=13468 |
| 22:50.09 | lardman | weird, IP address not a real name |
| 22:50.39 | philn_ | i found that but the deb didn't install |
| 22:50.52 | lardman | What are you running on? |
| 22:51.23 | philn_ | diablo |
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| 22:51.30 | Churl | I just got a updated canola youtube plugin notice, so I tried to update, problems! so I uninstalled, reinstalled the plugin, as well as canola, the youtube plugin no longer works, missing some stuff (canola2 2.0.0~beta9-maemo2; flash-and-reboot =3; initfs-flasher .95?????????? maemo2 kernel-diablo-flasher =2.6.21) is there an easy fix to this? |
| 22:51.39 | philn_ | eh wait, no it's another thing that failed to install.. |
| 22:52.07 | lardman | philn_: hmm, worked for me |
| 22:52.07 | Churl | it was working fine |
| 22:52.34 | lardman | Churl: dpkg -f |
| 22:52.59 | lardman | perhaps, to fix your dep issues? |
| 22:54.53 | Churl | lardman trying it |
| 22:56.01 | GeneralAntilles | apt-get -f install |
| 22:56.11 | GeneralAntilles | Googling the error will turn that right up |
| 22:56.17 | GeneralAntilles | It's a minor glitch with SSU |
| 22:56.19 | GeneralAntilles | Non-fatal |
| 22:56.38 | Churl | lardman ok only thing missing now canola2 2.0.0 beta9 maemo2 |
| 22:56.56 | Churl | yeah, it propted me to apt-get -f install |
| 22:56.59 | Churl | very nice |
| 22:57.21 | lardman | thanks GeneralAntilles |
| 22:57.48 | lardman | time for bed, see you chaps on the morrow |
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| 22:58.20 | Atarii | GeneralAntilles, that convo earlier, check out touch buddy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKv8KR8bX7w |
| 22:59.04 | Atarii | windows software which uses a touch screen for additional controls for games etc |
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| 23:00.00 | glass | on windows screen? |
| 23:00.21 | glass | a little bit of tweaking and how about just using something like vnc |
| 23:01.03 | Atarii | linux only via wine though :( |
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| 23:03.56 | Atarii | check out the vid, it just shows controls on teh screen |
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| 23:06.13 | jeward | Can you tether the n810 to Treo 755p? |
| 23:07.01 | rm_you | yeah that would be neat, using n800 like certain zelda for gamecube used the Gameboy Advance |
| 23:07.12 | rm_you | also, I use my n800 as a tv remote too :P |
| 23:08.36 | Churl | GeneralAntilles: hate to bother you again, no luck with googleing "canola2 (>=2.0.0~beta9-maemo2" my last missing dependency |
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| 23:13.40 | rm_you | oh, didnt one of the people from the canola team say that the youtube plugin for diablo canola isnt working yet? |
| 23:18.48 | Proteous | they always say that |
| 23:19.25 | fnordianslip | whats the best place to pull deb sources from upstream for diablo? i've just built libax25 with debuild for arm on my nslu2 from debian etch (which it runs) and want to try building it in scratchbox. |
| 23:19.53 | Proteous | and the masses always cry, "YouTube! YouTube! YouTube, seriously, we neeeeeeeeed to watch more vvvviiiiiddeoooooos of stupid stuff!!!" |
| 23:20.33 | philn_ | :) |
| 23:21.13 | Proteous | "MMMUUUSSSTT SEEE VIDEO OF MAN FALLING OFF ROOOOOOOFFFF" |
| 23:21.41 | rm_you | fnordianslip: i generally grab debian etch |
| 23:22.02 | rm_you | fnordianslip: or debian sid if I REALLY need something new, but usually i run into dependency problems with sid |
| 23:22.09 | fnordianslip | that'll be "deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib" then? |
| 23:22.21 | rm_you | i believe |
| 23:22.23 | rm_you | yes |
| 23:22.26 | fnordianslip | k. thanks |
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| 23:31.05 | Andy80 | hi all |
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| 23:37.39 | Churl | Proteous: I agree with you about youtube but I do like neat plugins |
| 23:40.18 | Churl | still no luck with canola2 (>=2.0.0~beta9-maemo2 (I can find maemo1 while googleing) |
| 23:45.17 | Proteous | :) |
| 23:45.28 | Churl | ok I have canola2 2.0.0 beta9 maemo 1 installed, where can I get maemo2? |
| 23:45.46 | Churl | different repo? |
| 23:51.03 | Andy80 | what are the differences between maemo1 and maemo2 in that canola package? |
| 23:51.24 | Churl | good question! |
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| 23:52.38 | Andy80 | :) |
| 23:53.03 | Churl | it's ok if no one knows, im not sure it exists |
| 23:53.41 | qos | i would like to know that too... |
| 23:54.42 | Churl | but it is a dependency for the youtube plugin |
| 23:55.31 | qos | perhaps it not release yet |
