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| 00:27.49 | t_s_o | hmm, i get asked if i want to go out of offline mode when opening the browser or in some other way try to go online, then i get a message saying it could not find any saved connections. what is that about? |
| 00:28.10 | t_s_o | what saved connections? |
| 00:28.11 | GeneralAntilles | There's a bug |
| 00:28.17 | t_s_o | figures |
| 00:28.26 | GeneralAntilles | ICD got a pretty major overhaul for Diablo |
| 00:28.39 | GeneralAntilles | Probably wasn't tested as thoroughly as it should've been. |
| 00:28.45 | GeneralAntilles | But there's something funky with saved connections |
| 00:29.10 | t_s_o | nokia seriously need to open up as much as possible of the maemo development, this is just silly... |
| 00:30.25 | rm_you | OPEN SOURCE! OPEN SOURCE! OPEN SOURCE! |
| 00:30.38 | rm_you | marches around in front of Nokia headquarters with an Open Source is Life banner |
| 00:30.44 | GeneralAntilles | t_s_o, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3310 |
| 00:30.59 | t_s_o | :P |
| 00:31.18 | lcuk | waves at rm_you |
| 00:31.56 | lcuk | i thought i recognised you by the chanting i could hear |
| 00:33.43 | rm_you | :P |
| 00:34.43 | t_s_o | sometimes i wish that app manager had a way to just yank anything depending on what im trying to remove... |
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| 00:36.13 | Edgester | t_s_o: what about apt-get remove from a terminal |
| 00:36.38 | t_s_o | well i guess i could have done that, but i had app manager up so... |
| 00:36.49 | t_s_o | and didnt feel like digging out the keyboard :P |
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| 00:42.47 | user_ | ping RST38h |
| 00:43.11 | user_ | RST38h: (I'm reading the irclog) About Palanga from Wikipedia.... |
| 00:43.37 | user_ | KÄstutis took her by force, and with great honor took her |
| 00:44.05 | user_ | back to his capital of Trakai, where he invited his brothers |
| 00:44.22 | user_ | and threw a big wedding...". After KÄstutis' murder,... |
| 00:44.43 | user_ | THIS is where you go to for holidays in Lithuania????? |
| 00:45.35 | user_ | Yeow! |
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| 01:16.10 | crashanddie | anyone know why a bluetooth mouse would pair properly on the n810, ps3, macbook, but not on a Linux (Ubuntu) computer ? |
| 01:16.46 | GeneralAntilles | because linucks sux |
| 01:16.54 | Foxx | because its ubuntu |
| 01:16.55 | GeneralAntilles | s/because/bcaus/ |
| 01:17.37 | Foxx | anyoone familliar with the application, Synergy? |
| 01:18.01 | Foxx | http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/ |
| 01:18.03 | crashanddie | thanks for all that helpful taunting |
| 01:18.36 | Foxx | im wondering if its possible to get it going on the n800, although im not at the point to start compiling code |
| 01:18.39 | Foxx | yet |
| 01:18.55 | Foxx | crashanddie, you sure your bluetooth adapter works in ubuntu? |
| 01:18.56 | summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: I don't generally agree w/ that statement, but when compared to OS X, yes :) |
| 01:19.02 | Foxx | and youhave the proper BT stack installed? |
| 01:19.12 | jott | Foxx: it had it running under chinook |
| 01:19.35 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, try #ubuntu? :P |
| 01:19.36 | Foxx | jott: i saw some info about that, but it led to a lot of dead ends |
| 01:19.52 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, no one's answering in there, they have no clue what I'm talking about |
| 01:19.59 | jott | well you have to enable the mouse pointer to acutally "use" it ;) |
| 01:20.12 | Foxx | crashanddie, what do you expect... the use ubuntu |
| 01:20.30 | crashanddie | as soon as I say I've been sniffing the traffic, and the mouse doesn't seem to respond to the name resolving, they freak out |
| 01:20.36 | jott | Foxx: other than that take a look at http://quicksynergy.sourceforge.net/ |
| 01:20.37 | crashanddie | I've asked in #bluez, no answer there either |
| 01:20.45 | jott | Foxx: makes the setup really really easy |
| 01:20.50 | Foxx | jott: thanks |
| 01:20.51 | crashanddie | I've tried the latest version of bluez-utils, latest version of libbtctl, no change |
| 01:21.17 | Foxx | i use synergy, and i have the n800 sitting on my desk and i figured if i could get it going it may be a bit handy to have |
| 01:21.30 | Foxx | but im not holding my breath |
| 01:21.58 | jott | Foxx: as said, enable the mouse pointer (google, itt has directions somewhere) |
| 01:22.02 | jott | than it's acutally quite nice |
| 01:22.04 | jott | then |
| 01:22.14 | Foxx | groovy, thanks for the help |
| 01:22.21 | Foxx | much appreciated |
| 01:22.38 | Foxx | be sure ill be back now and again from the lurking shadows with a lot of annoying questions ;} |
| 01:22.56 | jott | hides |
| 01:23.03 | Foxx | hey, do you know any VNC server that runs on the n800? |
| 01:23.24 | Foxx | i know there are plenty of working clients |
| 01:23.26 | GeneralAntilles | uh |
| 01:23.29 | GeneralAntilles | x11vnc? |
| 01:24.08 | Foxx | im still sinking my claws into the inner workings of the n800 |
| 01:24.09 | GeneralAntilles | http://mike.saunby.googlepages.com/x11vncfornokia7702 |
| 01:24.17 | Foxx | ill check that out too, thanks |
| 01:24.32 | Foxx | man, there arent too many places they help out like this |
| 01:24.35 | Foxx | its refreshing |
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| 01:39.28 | Edgester | is sad because openafs requires diablo kernel source and kernel won't compile |
| 01:41.32 | jott | Edgester: the headers do not suffice? |
| 01:41.40 | Edgester | kernel-source-diablo/drivers/spi/omap2_mcspi.c: In function `omap2_mcspi_work': |
| 01:41.42 | Edgester | line 249: sorry, unimplemented: inlining failed in call to 'spi_pause_mutex_lock': function body not available |
| 01:41.56 | Edgester | nope, header's aren't enough |
| 01:42.47 | jott | strange.. |
| 01:42.49 | Edgester | I ran "make n800_defconfig" and openafs still won't compile. I think I need a make zImage to get it to work |
| 01:42.52 | Edgester | ya |
| 01:43.20 | jott | maybe look why it wont be happy with headers alone ;) |
| 01:43.25 | jott | might be just some little quirks |
| 01:43.30 | Edgester | it needs files form the scripts folder in the kerne source |
| 01:45.26 | jott | what an ugly hack :P |
| 01:46.13 | jott | what script does it need? |
| 01:47.35 | Edgester | um, kbuild, I think |
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| 01:49.18 | lopz | night |
| 01:50.38 | Edgester | lopz: good night |
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| 01:59.36 | jott | Edgester: shouldn't this be done by the Makefile in the kernel dir? |
| 02:05.03 | Edgester | jott: not sure |
| 02:05.27 | Edgester | jott: I'm still poking around. I might not need a kernel make |
| 02:08.21 | Edgester | jott: scratch that, I do need a make |
| 02:08.27 | Edgester | sighs |
| 02:09.33 | jott | write a hate-mail to the debian package maintainer ;> |
| 02:12.48 | summatusmentis | to which package maintainer? |
| 02:13.39 | GAN800 | write hate mail. |
| 02:13.46 | Edgester | why? |
| 02:14.11 | Edgester | I think openafs must use deep kernel structures |
| 02:14.32 | Edgester | I remember that it often breaks and must be fixed when new kernel versions come out |
| 02:15.15 | summatusmentis | the breakage is due to the pioctl()s that they have to insert into the kernel |
| 02:15.31 | Edgester | summatusmentis: thanks for the clarification |
| 02:15.38 | summatusmentis | generally patches to kernels are pretty hard to maintain |
| 02:16.05 | Edgester | yes, but they can't get the code into the kernel because of license conflicts |
| 02:16.50 | summatusmentis | I'm aware, I'm just saying that's generally why the patches break |
| 02:16.58 | Edgester | ya |
| 02:18.59 | Edgester | summatusmentis: do you recall where the pioctls are in the linux kernel source tree? |
| 02:19.34 | Edgester | even after the maemo kernel compile fails, I have enough compiled to pass the openafs configure tests |
| 02:21.30 | summatusmentis | Edgester: there's nothing in the current linux tree, that's what my porject is |
| 02:21.33 | summatusmentis | project* |
| 02:22.30 | summatusmentis | OpenAFS stores their pioctls in src/afs/afs_pioctl.c |
| 02:22.34 | summatusmentis | if that's helpful |
| 02:27.47 | summatusmentis | Edgester: where does the compile break? |
| 02:32.35 | Edgester | trying to compile drivers/spi/omap2_mcspi.o |
| 02:35.09 | summatusmentis | this is on the n800? |
| 02:35.15 | Edgester | summatusmentis: yes |
| 02:35.22 | Edgester | I |
| 02:35.27 | summatusmentis | what's the error message? |
| 02:36.29 | Edgester | home/maemo/afs/kernel-source-diablo/drivers/spi/omap2_mcspi.c: In function `omap2_mcspi_work': |
| 02:36.30 | Edgester | home/maemo/afs/kernel-source-diablo/drivers/spi/omap2_mcspi.c:249: sorry, unimplemented: inlining failed in call to 'spi_pause_mutex_lock': function body not available |
| 02:38.17 | summatusmentis | is there a function defined on line 249? |
| 02:39.44 | Edgester | yes: static inline void spi_pause_mutex_lock(void); |
| 02:40.09 | summatusmentis | that's the declaration |
| 02:40.41 | summatusmentis | that error message looks like it's declared, but not defined anywhere, whic seems weird to me |
| 02:40.52 | Edgester | yes |
| 02:41.00 | Edgester | that's what was on line 249 |
| 02:42.00 | Edgester | summatusmentis: which project are you working on? |
| 02:42.05 | Edgester | kafs? |
| 02:42.14 | summatusmentis | yep |
| 02:42.17 | Edgester | k |
| 02:42.37 | Edgester | does kafs make all of this pain go away? |
| 02:42.45 | Edgester | or supposed to? |
| 02:43.05 | summatusmentis | well, the premise behind kafs is to create an in-kernel afs client |
| 02:43.55 | summatusmentis | I'm writing the pioctl() calls, so that the OpenAFS userspace tools can operate with the kafs code, and not need to provide their own kernle code, I believe |
| 02:44.08 | Edgester | cheers |
| 02:44.43 | summatusmentis | I'm rather behind, and may not get all the pioctl()s implemented this summer |
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| 02:45.29 | Edgester | is it a gsoc project? |
| 02:45.57 | summatusmentis | yes |
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| 02:46.30 | Edgester | hmmm, I hope you can get it done this summer or finish it afterwards |
| 02:47.00 | summatusmentis | I'll finish afterwards, my skillset wasn't great before this summer, so we're re-scoping this project |
| 02:47.10 | Edgester | ah |
| 02:47.25 | summatusmentis | I've got a month left, I'm trying to get as much done as possible this summer |
| 02:47.42 | Edgester | cool.good luck! |
| 02:48.09 | summatusmentis | well, thanks :) |
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| 02:49.45 | eeeJZA | hi simple question |
| 02:49.51 | eeeJZA | where can I delete my old email |
| 02:49.55 | summatusmentis | it's possible that the diablo kernel sources trimmed out functions they decided they didn't need, beause of space constraints |
| 02:50.03 | eeeJZA | what is thepath where the email client store the email on chinook |
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| 02:50.21 | Edgester | eeeJZA: which email client are you using? |
| 02:50.34 | eeeJZA | Edgester, the defautl one |
| 02:50.48 | summatusmentis | osso-mail or some such thing |
| 02:51.09 | Edgester | eeeJZA: I don't know, but try looking in /home/user, maybe in .documents |
| 02:51.12 | eeeJZA | summatusmentis, yeah I want to know where does osso-mail store the email |
| 02:51.17 | eeeJZA | ok |
| 02:51.34 | summatusmentis | I found it once, don't recall where |
| 02:51.41 | Edgester | eeeJZA: all user files are under /home/user as far as I konw |
| 02:51.52 | summatusmentis | it's somehwere under /home/user, yes |
| 02:52.04 | Edgester | summatusmentis: which nokia tablet do you have? |
| 02:52.15 | summatusmentis | n810, bought it at the workshop :) |
| 02:52.37 | Edgester | eeeJZA: check for hidden folders |
| 02:52.57 | Edgester | summatusmentis: cool! forgive me, did we meet at the workshop? |
| 02:53.16 | summatusmentis | we did, formally at the social thing. I'm the short kid with dreads :) |
| 02:53.42 | summatusmentis | unless I'm untterly confused as to who you are, but I don't believe so |
| 02:55.15 | Edgester | did we meet at the bbq or slates in NY? |
| 02:55.24 | Edgester | I think I remember |
| 02:55.34 | Edgester | I met too many ppl to remember names |
| 02:55.43 | summatusmentis | Slates |
| 02:56.07 | summatusmentis | I probably had a blue bandanna on |
| 02:56.52 | Edgester | cool. I don't see a photo for you on the workshop site |
| 02:56.57 | Edgester | oh well |
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| 02:57.25 | Edgester | I do recall talking with someone at slates with dreads and was doing gsoc |
| 02:57.35 | Edgester | r u in high school? |
| 02:58.11 | eeeJZA | Edgester, no luck so far |
| 02:58.31 | summatusmentis | no, this last year was my freshman year |
| 02:58.34 | Edgester | eeeJZA: I'm out of ideas. Idon't use the default mail client |
| 02:58.52 | eeeJZA | i guess /var/ could be another place |
| 02:58.55 | summatusmentis | eeeJZA: familiar w/ the command line? |
| 02:59.03 | eeeJZA | summatusmentis, sure |
| 02:59.21 | summatusmentis | ls -a in /home/user |
| 02:59.55 | eeeJZA | I know I see many dot folders, and none look like mail |
| 03:00.25 | t_s_o | if your using diablo, the default place is /home/user/.modest |
| 03:00.58 | summatusmentis | it's not diablo, it's osso-mail in chinook |
| 03:00.58 | eeeJZA | t_s_o, no I am on chinook |
| 03:01.05 | t_s_o | ah |
| 03:01.09 | eeeJZA | summatusmentis, I dont see osso-mail |
| 03:01.24 | eeeJZA | see osso-notes, osso_helo osso-sketch |
| 03:01.41 | summatusmentis | can you easily pastebin the output? |
| 03:02.22 | eeeJZA | http://pastebin.com/m428a6af8 |
| 03:03.28 | summatusmentis | eeeJZA: d'you mind pastebin'ing the output of ls -la /user/home/MyDocs? |
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| 03:18.01 | Edgester | good night |
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| 03:56.31 | mouser- | peaceful. |
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| 04:14.20 | eeeJZA | summatus|gone, u there |
| 04:15.33 | eeeJZA | summatus|gone, u got the pastebin? |
| 04:15.47 | eeeJZA | anyone here know where does n800 stores email |
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| 04:16.04 | user_ | no idea |
| 04:17.20 | user_ | man diablo sucks |
| 04:17.46 | user_ | well the way it is now |
| 04:17.52 | user_ | :'( |
| 04:17.58 | mouser- | user_: What are you having problems with? |
| 04:18.52 | GeneralAntilles | Sucks? |
| 04:18.59 | GeneralAntilles | Diablo is amazing over here. |
| 04:19.27 | eeeJZA | mouser-, I am trying to find where does the email client store the emails |
| 04:19.34 | user_ | the browser , email, app manager, sluggish overall |
| 04:19.53 | GeneralAntilles | Er |
| 04:20.02 | GeneralAntilles | You sure your internal card isn't corrupted? |
| 04:20.15 | GeneralAntilles | All of those things should be faster and more stable than their Chinook counterparts. |
| 04:20.22 | GeneralAntilles | If they aren't then there's something wrong with your system |
| 04:20.25 | user_ | oh yeah, you already helped me out with that one :p |
| 04:20.29 | GeneralAntilles | and it sounds like a corrupt internal card. |
| 04:21.10 | user_ | If you are, who who I think you are |
| 04:22.01 | GeneralAntilles | Cards can become corrupted more than once |
| 04:22.06 | GeneralAntilles | Do you have virtual memory on? |
| 04:22.14 | user_ | I guess I have to send this back in |
| 04:22.35 | user_ | yes, and I've recently format it |
| 04:22.48 | GeneralAntilles | sighs. |
| 04:22.55 | GeneralAntilles | goes back to doing useful things. |
| 04:22.58 | user_ | gps is also a pain |
| 04:23.42 | user_ | Hopefully sending it in, will take care of the issues |
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| 04:26.26 | rm_you | i've heard n810 GPS is kinda of lame, actually, though diablo supposedly made it way better with the use of agps? |
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| 04:27.03 | GeneralAntilles | Er, well, not Diablo per se |
| 04:27.07 | GeneralAntilles | The A-GPS beta |
| 04:27.31 | rm_you | is a diablo thing, right ?+? |
| 04:27.34 | rm_you | >_> |
| 04:27.35 | burnte | the GPS is good, btu the AGPS makes it much better |
| 04:27.41 | burnte | when it doesn't completely BREAK Your GPS |
| 04:27.58 | rm_you | ? |
| 04:28.02 | mouser- | maybe it's more alpha then beta, then? |
| 04:28.08 | burnte | I"D say that, yeah |
| 04:28.33 | burnte | I had the agps deal on my 810, worked great, then I needed to reflash for other reasons, and the agps then broke my gps entirely |
| 04:28.39 | burnte | so i had t to reflash to fix that |
| 04:28.52 | burnte | screwes up the supldaemon somehow |
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| 04:33.52 | user_ | so how does a gps work? |
| 04:33.57 | user_ | a-gps |
| 04:34.35 | user_ | do I have to keep the agps app open? |
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| 04:34.57 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.nokia.com/betalabs/agps-tablet |
| 04:36.56 | GeneralAntilles | Most awesome change log ever: agps-ui (0.10-1beta) unstable; urgency=low* New version |
| 04:37.19 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody should email that maintainer and tell them to get a clue. |
| 04:41.41 | burnte | no |
| 04:41.58 | burnte | what happens is it works in the backgroun, asking their server what sats should be visible at the current time of day |
| 04:42.01 | user_ | hey general, is there a gps tracker app for 8x0? |
| 04:42.05 | burnte | there's a UI for it to set your general loaction |
| 04:42.16 | user_ | or anyone that would know |
| 04:42.20 | burnte | this lets the gps chip know what sats to look for, rather than waititng to see ANY signal |
| 04:42.27 | GeneralAntilles | Er, Maemo Mapper? . . . |
| 04:42.55 | user_ | yea, but I can't seem to have so it leaves a trail on the map |
| 04:43.06 | GeneralAntilles | Turn tracks back on. |
| 04:43.09 | GeneralAntilles | There's an option in the menu. |
| 04:43.15 | user_ | oh nice |
| 04:43.26 | GeneralAntilles | Escape key may toggle it by default |
| 04:43.28 | GeneralAntilles | Don't remember. |
| 04:43.42 | tank-man | down on dpad for track i think |
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| 04:44.44 | GeneralAntilles | Dpad has to do with orientation by default |
| 04:47.28 | tank-man | left and right on dpad are the keys to rotate |
| 04:47.38 | user_ | hmm can't seem to find any option that specifies that |
| 04:47.46 | tank-man | you dont need more than 2 buttons to rotate |
| 04:48.05 | user_ | you know the 810 has excellent word completion |
| 04:48.28 | GeneralAntilles | user_, settings. . . . |
| 04:48.35 | GeneralAntilles | Everything you need is in Maemo Mapper's settings. |
| 04:48.58 | rm_you | err, is the word completion stuff using a bayesian algorithm? |
| 04:49.00 | rm_you | sometimes i wonder |
| 04:49.38 | user_ | all I have in settings is the unit and language, nothing else :/ |
| 04:50.37 | user_ | rm_you, not sure but I have many devices with word completion ... and none come close to the 810 |
| 04:50.58 | GeneralAntilles | user_, what settings are you looking at? :\ |
| 04:51.07 | user_ | 810 is dead on for me 95% of the time, which is uncanny |
| 04:51.38 | GeneralAntilles | I like it when my N800 learns things like "motherfucker" and tries to suggest that for me later on. |
| 04:52.19 | rm_you | :P |
| 04:52.25 | rm_you | mine learned my passwords <_< |
| 04:52.44 | burnte | yeah, kinda odd when you see that pop up in trext boxes |
| 04:52.47 | rm_you | since xterm doesnt mask them like the input thing expects |
| 04:52.56 | burnte | "Hrmm, no, I don't want to tell them my password is fubar" |
| 04:54.07 | GeneralAntilles | Most awesome change log ever: https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=819&action=view |
| 04:54.35 | burnte | talk abotu detail overload! |
| 04:55.49 | GeneralAntilles | s/awesome/utterly useless/ |
| 04:56.00 | burnte | hahah |
| 04:56.13 | burnte | what kind of bot is that? |
| 04:56.22 | rm_you | an information bot :P |
| 04:56.29 | burnte | I knew someone was gonna say that. |
| 04:56.54 | burnte | eggdrop, mozbot, other? |
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| 04:57.25 | robink | If I want to use the Diablo distro, do I specify diablo/tools or diablo/sdk as the distro? |
| 04:57.43 | user_ | worked it Gen, thanks |
| 04:57.54 | burnte | rob" tools, IIRC |
| 04:57.59 | burnte | robink |
| 04:58.02 | robink | burnte: OK. |
| 04:58.22 | user_ | now if can only get this GPS to work :p |
| 04:58.37 | GeneralAntilles | ~version |
| 04:58.37 | infobot | version is probably Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -d |
| 04:58.41 | GeneralAntilles | ~info |
| 04:59.18 | GeneralAntilles | robink, both |
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| 04:59.25 | GeneralAntilles | "diablo/sdk diablo/tools" |
| 05:00.05 | robink | GeneralAntilles: Ah. |
| 05:00.27 | burnte | what's in sdk taht's valuable to msot folks? |
| 05:00.28 | user_ | g |
| 05:03.01 | robink | In quotes in the Application Manager? |
| 05:03.06 | GAN800 | No. |
| 05:03.09 | user_ | I give up on the GPS for now :p |
| 05:04.27 | robink | There seems to be some overlap between sdk and tools |
| 05:05.08 | robink | Do I create two separate repo entries? |
| 05:05.20 | GeneralAntilles | If you want |
| 05:05.22 | GeneralAntilles | There's no need, though. |
| 05:05.52 | robink | Specifying 'diablo/sdk diablo/tools' confuses apt-get. |
| 05:06.39 | user_ | hey is there a way to install Opera on the 810 ... I may be wrong but I think Opera was used on 800? |
| 05:06.56 | GeneralAntilles | Opera was used for part of OS2007 |
| 05:06.58 | GeneralAntilles | It sucks, though. |
| 05:07.19 | user_ | did it? |
| 05:07.35 | GeneralAntilles | I used it a _lot_ on OS2005-OS2007. |
| 05:07.38 | GeneralAntilles | Yes. |
| 05:07.51 | user_ | I was using it on buddies pocket pc, and its awesome |
| 05:08.03 | user_ | tabbed, fast, organized |
| 05:08.05 | burnte | have you tried the fennec alphas from mozilla? Sucks compared to microb. |
| 05:08.08 | burnte | speed wise |
| 05:08.17 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, well, Opera 8.5 != Opera 9.5 |
| 05:08.25 | burnte | I was pleasantly surprised how recent the gecko version is in microb |
| 05:08.51 | GeneralAntilles | It's Gecko 1.9 alpha 1 |
| 05:08.59 | user_ | hopefully the tablet returns to Opera .... but doubt it |
| 05:09.04 | GeneralAntilles | I hope not |
| 05:09.06 | robink | GeneralAntilles: So I am supposed to put 'diablo/sdk diablo/tools' in the distro field of Application Manager (w/o quotes, of course)? |
| 05:09.14 | GeneralAntilles | Open source > Proprietary |
| 05:09.34 | GeneralAntilles | robink, I seem to remember that working, but you might as well just have two separate entries if it's not working for you. |
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| 05:09.44 | robink | GeneralAntilles: OK |
| 05:09.49 | GeneralAntilles | burnte, svn is much closer to trunk. |
| 05:10.07 | user_ | general, do you use Canola? |
| 05:10.14 | GeneralAntilles | It was _much_ better when Navi compiled it about a month before Diablo came out. |
| 05:10.21 | GeneralAntilles | Scrolling was like butter. |
| 05:10.37 | user_ | If so, do you have gaps between tracks, during playback? |
| 05:10.40 | GeneralAntilles | There hasn't been a recent Diablo-compatible svn compile so far, though. |
| 05:10.49 | GeneralAntilles | user_, that's a DSP issue. |
| 05:11.02 | user_ | sorry DSP means? |
| 05:11.06 | GeneralAntilles | Gapless playback is currently not a possibility with the DSP setup. |
| 05:11.14 | GeneralAntilles | The audio coprocessor. |
| 05:11.23 | GeneralAntilles | Hardware decoder for mp3s, basically. |
| 05:11.38 | burnte | it shoudl be possible, it shoudl be about how the os feeds teh dsp data |
| 05:11.57 | burnte | hardware decoding doesn't mean you can't have gapless, you jsut need to support the decoder properly |
| 05:11.58 | user_ | ah, so I guess that wont be fixed until the next tablet then, I guess |
| 05:12.20 | burnte | I'd guess eventually someone will grok the idea of caching data and keeping a solid stread fed to the decoder |
| 05:12.30 | GeneralAntilles | burnte, like I said, the issue is with the current DSP implementation. |
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| 05:12.52 | burnte | GeneralAntilles: I grasp that, my point is it's not terribly difficult to work around those hardware limits |
| 05:13.25 | user_ | so there is a chance, if implemented properly, that we can get gapless playback? |
| 05:13.26 | GeneralAntilles | There was some detailed discussion on the issue on -developers or somewhere that might be worth digging up. |
| 05:13.31 | GeneralAntilles | user_, sure. |
| 05:13.39 | GeneralAntilles | I don't think it's a high-priority issue for Nokia, though. |
| 05:13.50 | user_ | I download UKMP, and it seemed pretty gapless |
| 05:14.05 | burnte | user_: Yeah, Apple finaly got around to a workaround for the ipod, but like GeneralAntilles said, Nokia doesn't see the 8x0 as primarily an mp3 player. :_) |
| 05:14.07 | user_ | ah, thats too bad |
| 05:14.20 | user_ | they should |
| 05:14.24 | GeneralAntilles | Pfft |
| 05:14.26 | burnte | third party software could still address it, though |
| 05:14.27 | GeneralAntilles | Thanks, no. |
| 05:14.36 | GeneralAntilles | I'd rather have them focused on things like the browser, and UI. |
| 05:15.01 | user_ | but I dont see why it cant be sort jack of all trades |
| 05:15.14 | burnte | it can be, but nokia can only throw so many resources at development |
| 05:15.17 | GeneralAntilles | It is a jack of all trades |
| 05:15.21 | GeneralAntilles | just a master of none. |
| 05:15.24 | user_ | I like the sound of this tablet better then iphone |
| 05:15.26 | GeneralAntilles | Resources aren't unlimited. |
| 05:15.34 | burnte | and we'd rather nokia focus on the big stuff, let the OSS community come up with a gapless media player |
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| 05:15.52 | user_ | well its just one of those things |
| 05:16.01 | user_ | if they fix it, would be awesome |
| 05:16.12 | GeneralAntilles | I'm interested in seeing where things will go with the significantly more open OMAP3. |
| 05:16.27 | user_ | what's that, bud? |
| 05:16.37 | GeneralAntilles | We're crippled a lot by the fact that OMAP2 is so closed. |
| 05:16.42 | burnte | the CPU |
| 05:16.46 | user_ | ah |
| 05:16.48 | GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omap |
| 05:16.53 | user_ | the processor |
| 05:17.10 | burnte | yep. it'll be easier to access the 3d abilities, etc. |
| 05:17.21 | GeneralAntilles | The SoC, technically. |
| 05:17.24 | user_ | why not have a sep gpu? |
| 05:17.32 | burnte | power and cost |
| 05:17.40 | GeneralAntilles | So, the processor, memory controller, GPU, audio hardware, etc, etc |
| 05:17.46 | burnte | the gpu integrated isn't bad, it's jsut hard to use thanks to the design. |
| 05:18.08 | burnte | the next gen of the design is more open, as GeneralAntilles said |
| 05:18.08 | GeneralAntilles | Imagination Tech is really shitty about open source. |
| 05:20.25 | user_ | well I'm outs for now |
| 05:20.31 | user_ | nice talking to guys |
| 05:20.32 | robink | Hmm, I realized how I can have one entry for Diablo |
| 05:20.45 | user_ | you* |
| 05:20.53 | robink | dist is 'diablo' and repositories is 'sdk/free sdk/non-free tools/free tools- |
| 05:20.55 | robink | oops |
| 05:21.02 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, right. |
| 05:21.04 | robink | s/tools-/tools\/non-free/ |
| 05:21.07 | GeneralAntilles | recalled incorrectly. |
| 05:23.25 | robink | is running 'apt-get -o Dir::Cache::archives=/media/mmc2/.apt-cache-archive dist-upgrade' |
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| 05:34.20 | robink | Gah, out of disk space |
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| 05:37.18 | robink | Do I have to remove packages first? |
| 05:37.26 | robink | I don't want to re-flash. |
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| 05:55.13 | robink | ...and it's bricked |
| 05:55.27 | burnte | what's up there? |
| 05:56.01 | GeneralAntilles | robink, you do realize that the SDK repository stuff isn't really intended to be used on the device, right? |
| 05:56.10 | robink | GeneralAntilles: I did not know that. |
| 05:56.23 | robink | GeneralAntilles: I do now. |
| 05:56.44 | burnte | refrains from pointing to scrollback, where he said tools only, and asking why someone else recommended SDK too... :) |
| 05:58.33 | GeneralAntilles | Well, there are things in the SDK repository that can be useful on the device. |
| 05:58.38 | GeneralAntilles | So it's not an invalid thing to install. |
| 05:58.48 | burnte | true, but I'd recommend against it for msot users |
| 05:58.49 | GeneralAntilles | But dist-upgrading with it is a particularly bad plan. <_< |
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| 05:59.01 | robink | Oh :-/ |
| 05:59.30 | GeneralAntilles | That probably installs gnutils |
| 05:59.39 | GeneralAntilles | Which is a nice fast-track to reboot loop land. |
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| 06:18.35 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 06:18.53 | GeneralAntilles | Hey, Jaffa. |
| 06:25.00 | burnte | GeneralAntilles: LOL @ Er, it's designed to exactly imitate a fictional computer GUI in a scifi TV show, what in the world did you expect? <_< |
| 06:25.04 | burnte | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16318&highlight=%22boot+logo%22&page=3 |
| 06:25.39 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 06:26.33 | Stskeeps | conference paper idea.. "The Usability of the LCARS Interface from Star Trek"? :P |
| 06:26.45 | burnte | sounds like a doctoral thesis to me! |
| 06:28.01 | GeneralAntilles | LCARS on the tablets has to be the coolest theme on any platform ever. |
| 06:28.11 | burnte | I will admit it's pretty badass |
| 06:28.32 | GeneralAntilles | Nothing one could ever be seen in public with, of course. |
| 06:28.42 | GeneralAntilles | Everything right down to the small sound effects is just perfect. |
| 06:28.49 | burnte | Kinda like how the latter seasons of Stargate used GP32 units for Carter's portable sensor units, and Atlantis used color Palm devices. |
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| 06:29.25 | burnte | of course, using an n810 on screen would make people wonder, "So, Nokia is still around making 810s in the twenty fourth century?" |
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| 06:39.58 | Jaffa | Hmm, odd. I'm getting "connection refused" when trying to SSH to my N810: sshd is running; it has a wifi connection; the IP address is correct. |
| 06:40.37 | Stskeeps | is it running and showing up in netstat -an? |
| 06:40.43 | GeneralAntilles | You pissed it off and now it doesn't want to talk to you. |
| 06:40.49 | GeneralAntilles | I'd start with flowers. |
| 06:41.24 | Stskeeps | .. and chocolate |
| 06:42.06 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: yep, and listening on 0.0.0.0:22 |
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| 06:42.18 | Stskeeps | odd |
| 06:42.44 | Jaffa | Ah, there might be something wrong with the router. |
| 06:43.04 | Stskeeps | check with tcpdump the conn refused packet comes from the n810? |
| 06:43.52 | Jaffa | Sorted by rebooting the wireless router |
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| 07:20.50 | zontar | maemo |
| 07:22.00 | Italodance | what's KDE? |
| 07:23.47 | zontar | maemo |
| 07:24.16 | qwerty12 | omeam |
| 07:24.34 | zontar | maemo |
| 07:24.38 | GeneralAntilles | We get really uncreative spammers around here. |
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| 07:24.55 | zontar | poor GeneralAntilles |
| 07:25.14 | Stskeeps | yeah, atleast they could spam some porn urls or something |
| 07:25.14 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 07:25.30 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, www.google.com |
| 07:25.34 | qwerty12 | :P |
| 07:25.40 | Stskeeps | hehe |
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| 07:37.16 | robink | Does A-GPS work yet? |
| 07:38.56 | zontar | maemo |
| 07:39.22 | robink | Huh? |
| 07:39.25 | robink | Maemo Mapper? |
| 07:39.35 | zontar | maemo |
| 07:40.00 | Italodance | what's KDE? |
| 07:40.19 | zontar | maemo |
| 07:41.32 | GeneralAntilles | Gotta give it props for endurance |
| 07:41.38 | zontar | maemo |
| 07:41.40 | GeneralAntilles | but damn is it uncreative and lame. |
| 07:41.50 | zontar | poor GeneralAntilles |
| 07:41.53 | GeneralAntilles | Italodance, ever heard of google? |
| 07:42.16 | zontar | GeneralAntilles sucks |
| 07:42.42 | Italodance | lol |
| 07:42.50 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.google.com/search?ie=utf8&oe=utf8&q=what%27s+KDE%3F |
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| 07:43.02 | zontar | GeneralAntilles is a moron |
| 07:43.41 | Italodance | GeneralAntilles is it available for maemo? |
| 07:43.50 | zontar | he is a moron |
| 07:43.52 | burnte | dear god I hope not |
| 07:44.04 | burnte | I can't imagine KDE being shoehorning into the maemo platform |
| 07:44.06 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=kde+for+maemo&btnG=Search |
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| 07:44.15 | GeneralAntilles | burnte, it actually works fine. |
| 07:44.24 | zontar | GeneralAntilles is a wanker |
| 07:44.29 | burnte | that is truly amazing |
| 07:44.37 | zontar | burnte sucks |
| 07:44.40 | burnte | I mean, I like kde over gnome, but it's not svelte. |
| 07:44.49 | zontar | burnte sucks |
| 07:45.11 | burnte | is that a trollbot or something? |
| 07:45.41 | GeneralAntilles | If it is, it's about the most embarrassing trollbot I've ever seen. |
| 07:45.53 | zontar | poor GeneralAntilles |
| 07:46.01 | zontar | do you admit you're poor? |
| 07:46.18 | burnte | it's like eliza, but with lame insults |
| 07:46.29 | GeneralAntilles | It's been at it for _months_ |
| 07:46.56 | zontar | Luke, I am your father |
| 07:47.12 | lcuk | Look, you are a tosser |
| 07:47.21 | zontar | lcuk sucks |
| 07:47.28 | qwerty12 | your mom sucks my cock |
| 07:47.48 | lcuk | did she take her false teeth out first? |
| 07:48.10 | burnte | someone needs to bring out the banhammer. |
| 07:48.39 | GeneralAntilles | florian needs to put some new people on the access list. |
| 07:48.51 | lcuk | hes quite an enterprising troll, hes in a number of channels |
| 07:48.53 | zontar | qwerty12: you go to fart |
| 07:48.57 | zontar | far |
| 07:49.07 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, qwerty12, go to fart! |
| 07:49.12 | qwerty12 | PARP |
| 07:49.19 | GeneralAntilles | Do not pass GO do not collect $200 |
| 07:49.28 | qwerty12 | OH NOEZ! |
| 07:50.19 | zontar | qwerty12 is lame |
| 07:50.20 | lcuk | zontar, do you troll in the windows channel you are in as well? |
| 07:50.33 | zontar | lcuk: shut up |
| 07:50.44 | qwerty12 | zontar, that's what not what I heard while I was gettin head |
| 07:51.07 | qwerty12 | (btw, I am sorry to anyone else if my comments offend) |
| 07:51.10 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, lcuk, STFU! |
| 07:51.19 | zontar | qwerty12: shut up |
| 07:51.26 | qwerty12 | nah, don't feel like it |
| 07:51.28 | burnte | wait, are we getting on his nerve? |
| 07:51.37 | burnte | in sontar a little touchy about his mom? |
| 07:51.43 | burnte | awwwwww |
| 07:51.54 | zontar | burnte is a moron |
| 07:51.55 | burnte | look, man, it's not your fault she's friendly. |
| 07:51.56 | qwerty12 | I liked the touchy I was getting y/day |
| 07:52.16 | burnte | if she wasn't friendly, we wouldn't have you, zontar! |
| 07:52.33 | zontar | nice try, but you failed |
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| 07:52.41 | robink | looks for OGG/Vorbis support in Diablo. |
| 07:52.44 | qwerty12 | dunno about that, I laughed |
| 07:53.00 | zontar | didn't I tell you to shut up |
| 07:53.07 | burnte | robink: join in, we're tryint to make zontar cry |
| 07:53.09 | burnte | it's like a sport |
| 07:53.18 | rm_you | bbl |
| 07:53.19 | qwerty12 | now I'll tell you, I don't give a fuck if you told me to shut up pussio |
| 07:53.26 | zontar | hehe |
| 07:53.40 | robink | burnte: How do you make a bot cry? |
| 07:53.54 | zontar | robink: bots don't cry |
| 07:53.58 | burnte | kick it in it's bolts and nuts! |
| 07:54.02 | burnte | er, its |
| 07:54.22 | zontar | burnte can't even write |
| 07:54.33 | qwerty12 | <zontar> qwerty12: you go to fart |
| 07:54.33 | qwerty12 | <zontar> far |
| 07:54.40 | burnte | yeah, it's hard to concentrate when you're mom is under my desk |
| 07:54.42 | qwerty12 | hypocrisy at it's best |
| 07:54.50 | zontar | you go to fart too :-) |
| 07:54.58 | zontar | burnte: burn in hell |
| 07:55.09 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, qwerty12, STFU! |
| 07:55.10 | burnte | right back atcha, babe! |
| 07:55.23 | zontar | GeneralAntilles: correct |
| 07:55.28 | robink | Yeargh I can't play my OGG files! |
| 07:55.35 | zontar | robink sucks |
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| 07:55.41 | robink | zontar: The lack of OGG/Vorbis support in Diablo is your fault. |
| 07:56.22 | qwerty12 | Just put in kulve's repo with the distribution set to chinook. |
| 07:56.26 | lcuk | zontar, is this your lifes ambition then |
| 07:56.33 | zontar | lcuk sucks |
| 07:56.42 | lcuk | you say that like it means something |
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| 07:57.57 | zontar | it means that you suck |
| 07:58.53 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, lcuk sucks air after running a mile! |
| 07:58.55 | lcuk | im surprised you havent created your own trollbot |
| 07:59.21 | lcuk | me? run a mile? gen you are off your rocker |
| 08:00.10 | GeneralAntilles | I started at 10 and worked my way down. :P |
| 08:01.52 | burnte | that's funny, zontar's mom started at the top adn worked her way down, too! |
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| 08:06.56 | yigal | anyone know of a good cheap phone to tether to an n800, I have blackberry which doesn't work consistantly and that is just unacceptable |
| 08:07.49 | yigal | consistantly == can tether to a linux box as a modem for 10 minutes and then it dies |
| 08:07.56 | zontar | maemo |
| 08:08.04 | GeneralAntilles | What provider? |
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| 08:09.09 | robink | Will Maemo 5.0 require a N900? |
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| 08:09.22 | yigal | GeneralAntilles: tmobile, really slow but for emails it's still fine |
| 08:09.44 | GeneralAntilles | robink, shouldn't if Nokia sticks to their promises. |
| 08:10.07 | robink | GeneralAntilles: Huzzah. |
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| 08:26.54 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, wheres the document explaining lifetime |
| 08:27.04 | lcuk | lifecycles^ |
| 08:27.15 | GeneralAntilles | I don't know of anything off-hand. |
| 08:27.23 | GeneralAntilles | But they guaranteed two releases per tablet. |
| 08:27.34 | lcuk | chinook+diablo |
| 08:27.39 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 08:27.42 | GeneralAntilles | Two real releases. |
| 08:27.44 | lcuk | sounds like 2 to me |
| 08:28.19 | GeneralAntilles | i.e., OS2007 and OS2008. |
| 08:28.43 | GeneralAntilles | Even if your Chinook+Diablo hypothesis held any water, that would still leave the N810W with only one release. ;) |
| 08:29.09 | lcuk | so if the new device is such a major technological advance they should sit on it and not release and get the best of it |
| 08:29.20 | lcuk | 810w is not in the stores yet |
| 08:29.26 | lcuk | that could just as easily be dropped |
| 08:29.38 | GeneralAntilles | Er, what do you mean? |
| 08:29.48 | lcuk | can i buy an 810w? |
| 08:29.50 | GeneralAntilles | Just because you have to support old hardware doesn't mean you can have new features. |
| 08:30.00 | GeneralAntilles | It's on pre-order at a number of places. |
| 08:30.06 | GeneralAntilles | s/can/can't/ |
| 08:30.22 | GeneralAntilles | Apple seemed to manage just fine with Quartz Extreme. |
| 08:30.47 | lcuk | apple are a bad example, they throw away the old and in with the new often dont they |
| 08:30.59 | lcuk | instant stop on all dev for classic and move onto new stuff |
| 08:31.05 | GeneralAntilles | If by "old" you mean hardware from 2001. |
| 08:31.13 | robink | Does the N810 WiMax edition work with Clearwire's network? |
| 08:31.22 | lcuk | now its old, but at the time it wasnt |
| 08:31.34 | GeneralAntilles | Uh |
| 08:31.41 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, things are old once they're old. |
| 08:32.03 | GeneralAntilles | Leopard drops support for G4 CPUs less than 867MHz or with less than 512MB of RAM. |
| 08:32.05 | GeneralAntilles | That's 2001. |
| 08:32.11 | lcuk | and the 8x0 will struggle to keep up with its super sibling |
| 08:32.29 | GeneralAntilles | Your point? |
| 08:33.07 | lcuk | noone will see it as an upgrade if it makes device slooooow its not like a pc where you can upgrade the graphics card etc |
| 08:33.18 | lcuk | well - i might be wrong there |
| 08:33.22 | lcuk | if i am forget everything ;) |
| 08:33.24 | GeneralAntilles | sighs. |
| 08:33.34 | GeneralAntilles | This is too inane a discussion for this early in the morning. |
| 08:33.36 | GeneralAntilles | I'm sorry. |
| 08:33.45 | lcuk | i agree, sorry |
| 08:34.08 | lcuk | i just thought there was a list of release stuff and roadmap |
| 08:34.20 | GeneralAntilles | Roadmap is a 100 days task. |
| 08:34.47 | RST38h | moo, gentlemen |
| 08:35.45 | robink | http://gentlemen.creosotehill.org |
| 08:36.59 | lcuk | whos up for bacon? |
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| 08:37.23 | robink | huh? |
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| 08:37.46 | lcuk | its sunday morning, bacon on toast and a brew is perfect |
| 08:37.53 | lcuk | back later |
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| 09:26.23 | rm_you | how do i make a patch with diff? |
| 09:26.32 | rm_you | does it just automagically work? |
| 09:26.47 | robink | diff file1 file2 > whatever.patch |
| 09:26.56 | rm_you | srsly? |
| 09:27.00 | robink | Yeah |
| 09:27.05 | rm_you | it doesn't look like the patches i normally see >_> |
| 09:27.17 | qwerty12 | try with -urN switch |
| 09:27.34 | rm_you | there we go |
| 09:27.38 | rm_you | thanks qwerty12 |
| 09:28.02 | qwerty12 | np |
| 09:28.05 | qwerty12 | thanks johnx for giving me those switches) |
| 09:28.20 | robink | needs to learn diff, as he's been spoiled rotten by SCMs. |
| 09:28.43 | qwerty12 | atm, I'm applying patches by hand (again >.<) |
| 09:29.13 | robink | qwerty12: Someone else's patches, or your own? |
| 09:29.39 | qwerty12 | Someone else's, I'm using the xchat 2.8.4 patches to hildonise 2.8.6 |
| 09:29.54 | robink | There's no SCM for that? |
| 09:29.56 | robink | With Git it'd be easy. |
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| 09:30.43 | qwerty12 | No idea, I got them from svn and there is a quilt patch series file but I don't know about quilt much and lots of them aren't applying cleanly. |
| 09:30.50 | robink | Oh, bummer |
| 09:31.27 | qwerty12 | Only 14 more patches to go :) |
| 09:31.34 | robink | Eek |
| 09:31.44 | timely | what are you patching? |
| 09:31.48 | robink | timely: xchat |
| 09:32.20 | robink | Will ogg support be reintroduced into the Diablo package repository? |
| 09:33.06 | qwerty12 | Was it ever in extras? |
| 09:33.22 | robink | qwerty12: It was either in extras or the standard maemo repository for Chinook, not sure. |
| 09:33.24 | timely | ask the repo searcher :) |
| 09:33.36 | timely | robink: it's highly unlikely it was in standard |
| 09:33.41 | timely | given that the lawyers have issues w/ it |
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| 09:33.46 | qwerty12 | robink, ahh, I just thought it was only in kulve's repo. |
| 09:33.48 | timely | or seem to have issues |
| 09:34.16 | timely | (you can't get official statements from lawyers) |
| 09:34.33 | aquatix | anyone else tried the newer modest version? |
| 09:34.43 | robink | timely: What legal issues are there w/ OGG? |
| 09:34.45 | robink | qwerty12: Nope. |
| 09:34.57 | timely | robink: as i said, you can't get lawyers to speak :) |
| 09:35.08 | timely | but the general understanding is that ogg is blocked by lawyers :) |
| 09:35.09 | aquatix | [chinook package] |
| 09:35.23 | aquatix | is looking for the modest weeklies |
| 09:35.36 | timely | robink: google should be able to explain their skittishness |
| 09:37.36 | robink | mplayer is gone too :( |
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| 09:38.43 | robink | So is theora |
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| 09:38.50 | qwerty12 | konttori, mtp is horrible :P |
| 09:39.20 | rm_you | :/ |
| 09:39.30 | GeneralAntilles | robink, the packager for mplayer is on vacation. |
| 09:39.39 | rm_you | can grab most packages that aren't available for diablo yet by adding the chinook extras repo |
| 09:39.40 | GeneralAntilles | You can pull whatever you need from Chinook Extras. |
| 09:39.49 | rm_you | ^^^ |
| 09:40.02 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: applied daperl's patch from the forms... checking it out |
| 09:40.07 | lcuk2 | guys, do i need putty on my linux laptop to connect to a ssh shell? |
| 09:40.12 | rm_you | ... |
| 09:40.14 | rm_you | lcuk: use ssh |
| 09:40.17 | rm_you | lol |
| 09:40.18 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 09:40.19 | robink | oh yeah |
| 09:40.20 | qwerty12 | lcuk2, many clients |
| 09:40.31 | lcuk2 | yer that just does a single command |
| 09:40.42 | robink | Um no |
| 09:40.43 | rm_you | lcuk2: ssh user@host |
| 09:40.45 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, ssh shell == "secure shell shell" :P |
| 09:40.48 | rm_you | then run commands |
| 09:41.11 | lcuk2 | ahhh i always use ssh user@host "command" |
| 09:41.23 | rm_you | you are always very odd :P |
| 09:41.31 | qwerty12 | is surprised that ubuntu only distribute the gtk1 version. Even for my half arsed compile of putty for the tablets, I used gtk 2. |
| 09:41.42 | lcuk2 | feck off im trying to actually do it right |
| 09:41.48 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 09:41.52 | rm_you | lcuk2: just poking fun :P |
| 09:42.01 | rm_you | i still dont understand putty for tablets >_> they have ssh natively |
| 09:42.04 | lcuk2 | then dont poke it there |
| 09:42.06 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk2, if we couldn't razz the Windows users our world would be empty and meaningless. :P |
| 09:42.26 | rm_you | yeah |
| 09:42.28 | lcuk2 | it is anyway :p |
| 09:42.47 | lcuk2 | wooot anyway im in thank you |
| 09:42.51 | rm_you | linux users and mac users battle it out, and windows users are the common prey :P |
| 09:43.24 | lcuk2 | lol what asbout bsd |
| 09:43.30 | lcuk2 | or is that dead |
| 09:43.34 | qwerty12 | what about bsd? :P |
| 09:43.37 | aquatix | bsd rocks |
| 09:43.42 | qwerty12 | BSD = Bull Shit Distro :P |
| 09:43.44 | aquatix | looks around at his boxes |
| 09:43.49 | aquatix | only not on my machines ;) |
| 09:43.52 | rm_you | BSD is above the squabbling :P they just sit and look down on us battling it out |
| 09:43.54 | GeneralAntilles | s/Linux/*nix/ |
| 09:43.56 | rm_you | and sip their beer |
| 09:44.00 | lcuk2 | lol |
| 09:44.00 | aquatix | rm_you: :) |
| 09:44.01 | robink | wants to understand how OSX works so he can know whether or not to hate it. |
| 09:44.08 | GeneralAntilles | s/OSX/OS X/ |
| 09:44.17 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: pft. OSX :P |
| 09:44.20 | GeneralAntilles | robink, it's FreeBSD with lots of proprietary stuff on top. |
| 09:44.22 | qwerty12 | I want OS XXX |
| 09:44.24 | robink | s/\ /\\\ / |
| 09:44.30 | rm_you | I'm with qwerty |
| 09:44.36 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSX |
| 09:44.36 | glass | yeah |
| 09:44.39 | lcuk2 | gives general another medal for pedantry |
| 09:44.40 | GeneralAntilles | Nope, sorry. |
| 09:44.42 | Veggen | robink: hmm. My impression: if you want to understand how it works, then OS X is not for you ;) |
| 09:44.43 | robink | GeneralAntilles: It doesn't use the BSD kernel, does it? I thought it was XNU on Mach. |
| 09:45.00 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: my point was that I'll call it whatever I want :P |
| 09:45.08 | aquatix | `the' bsd kernel? |
| 09:45.10 | Veggen | robink: it's not so easy to get under the hood of it as it is in for example Linux. |
| 09:45.17 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, how's your linucks partition these days? |
| 09:45.25 | rm_you | running well :P |
| 09:45.25 | robink | Veggen: Ah |
| 09:45.33 | GeneralAntilles | Veggen, I'd disagree with that assessment. |
| 09:45.39 | GeneralAntilles | It's *nix "under the hood" |
| 09:45.57 | robink | GeneralAntilles: XNU is UNIX? |
| 09:45.59 | lcuk2 | yer but its got a turtleneck sweater covering it |
| 09:46.02 | robink | I know the userland is BSD |
| 09:46.08 | rm_you | mmmm kinda want to call it OSeX, but that might not be an insult >_> |
| 09:46.12 | Veggen | GA: well, true. but there's a huge layer on top of that that isn't meant to poke through. |
| 09:46.31 | rm_you | I thought Darwin was BSD based, yes |
| 09:46.45 | robink | BSD uses XNU? |
| 09:46.54 | GeneralAntilles | robink, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X#Description |
| 09:47.08 | aquatix | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XNU |
| 09:47.49 | robink | Oh, XNU is BSD on Mach. |
| 09:48.38 | lcuk2 | gawd, 197 updates and a restart required. its like windows |
| 09:48.52 | GeneralAntilles | eyeroll |
| 09:49.05 | lcuk2 | lol |
| 09:49.10 | aquatix | restart required is bull |
| 09:49.11 | qwerty12 | lcuk2, I had to go through 249 :P |
| 09:49.19 | aquatix | that's only so you load the new kernel probably |
| 09:49.26 | lcuk2 | well thats ubuntu tellin me that |
| 09:49.36 | qwerty12 | I'd agree with aquatix |
| 09:49.40 | GeneralAntilles | I've got a bunch of updates I need to install. . . . |
| 09:49.41 | aquatix | myeah, ubuntu can tell me more |
| 09:50.01 | lcuk2 | its not bull, its to save the user from runnin command line |
| 09:50.16 | aquatix | lcuk2: to load the new kernel? |
| 09:50.36 | aquatix | i only get it when a kernel component is updated |
| 09:50.40 | lcuk2 | probably, but what do i know im a windows sheep |
| 09:50.44 | lcuk2 | baaaas |
| 09:50.45 | aquatix | services get restarted automatically |
| 09:51.00 | lcuk2 | yer i know |
| 09:51.02 | aquatix | plays some netgame |
| 09:51.13 | aquatix | say, where can i find those modest weeklies? |
| 09:51.20 | aquatix | are they still being created? |
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| 09:51.44 | rm_you | lcuk2: yeah, restart is never required unless it's a new kernel >_> |
| 09:52.04 | rm_you | lcuk2: though, i think there is actually a way to pivot in a new kernel? I was looking into that a while back |
| 09:52.13 | lcuk2 | well you tell u-fluffin-buntu that cos it told me to restart |
| 09:52.22 | qwerty12 | rm_you, kexec? |
| 09:52.24 | rm_you | cause i didn't want to lose my uptime but i needed a new kernel feature :P |
| 09:52.38 | rm_you | yeah, ubuntu is designed for windoze sheep :) |
| 09:52.40 | rm_you | lol |
| 09:52.59 | lcuk2 | well my uptime will be lost, how will i ever manage to break 45 minutes again |
| 09:53.26 | aquatix | yay, my home server broke 150 days of uptime today |
| 09:53.28 | GeneralAntilles | aquatix, no, they're not being compiled weekly for Diablo |
| 09:53.33 | GeneralAntilles | Yet, anyway. |
| 09:53.36 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: hm :( |
| 09:53.37 | qwerty12 | Meh, the migration feature of 8.04 is dodgy. I tell it to copy my internet explorer (which I never use btw) and firefox settings into the ubuntu firefox. It copies the internet explorer stuff but not the firefox stuff. |
| 09:53.41 | GeneralAntilles | svn is available, though. |
| 09:53.48 | GeneralAntilles | johnx compiled it a few days ago with good results. |
| 09:54.08 | aquatix | i did the install on the site, which installed some newer stuff, but failed on the modest v24 package itself |
| 09:54.08 | lcuk2 | svn on device? |
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| 09:54.53 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk2, the svn of Modest. |
| 09:54.57 | aquatix | maybe i should install the SDK and try svn |
| 09:55.08 | lcuk2 | i realised |
| 09:55.11 | lcuk2 | just |
| 09:55.11 | Cptnodegard | theres a 770 in harold and kumar 2 (movie), but they call it 7710 [/tabletspotting] |
| 09:55.16 | aquatix | any of you use svn on maemo? |
| 09:55.22 | aquatix | i get errors about lock files iirc |
| 09:55.30 | lcuk2 | aquatix yes |
| 09:55.36 | lcuk2 | i have no problems |
| 09:55.40 | aquatix | odd |
| 09:55.53 | lcuk2 | rights issue on user ? |
| 09:55.54 | aquatix | in main mem, or on mmc? |
| 09:56.14 | aquatix | tries again |
| 09:56.16 | lcuk2 | mmc1 its ummmmm something2 fs |
| 09:56.26 | aquatix | didn't try it on diablo yet |
| 09:56.26 | lcuk2 | ext2 |
| 09:56.28 | aquatix | ext2? |
| 09:56.30 | aquatix | ah, k |
| 09:56.35 | aquatix | still have fat on it |
| 09:56.56 | lcuk2 | fat has no perms maybe svn tries setting rights |
| 09:57.02 | aquatix | does ext2 work out-of-the-box or do i need a module for it? |
| 09:57.10 | aquatix | yeah, i know |
| 09:57.15 | aquatix | that's why i asked ;) |
| 09:57.22 | lcuk2 | i think it just worked |
| 09:57.24 | GeneralAntilles | It works out of the box. |
| 09:57.28 | qwerty12 | aquatix, there's the needed modules in /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/current (mbcache and ext2) |
| 09:57.28 | GeneralAntilles | modules are in the initfs |
| 09:57.29 | aquatix | cool |
| 09:57.47 | aquatix | so, just format it and change in fstab? |
| 09:57.49 | lcuk2 | if not its not tough (cant be if im using it) |
| 09:58.04 | GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Partitioning_an_MMC_card |
| 09:58.10 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: thanks |
| 09:58.15 | aquatix | going to read that |
| 09:59.02 | lcuk2 | this laptop is hot |
| 09:59.15 | aquatix | hm, i don't need a fat partition i'd say? |
| 09:59.36 | lcuk2 | i didnt i use ssh for access |
| 09:59.48 | lcuk2 | only need fat for usb and windows |
| 09:59.58 | GeneralAntilles | Kinda nice to have for swap from the GUI. |
| 10:00.01 | GeneralAntilles | But isn't necessary. |
| 10:00.05 | aquatix | i meant https://wiki.maemo.org/Partitioning_an_MMC_card mentions creating 2 partitions |
| 10:00.25 | GeneralAntilles | Only because most people will likely want to keep their FAT partition. |
| 10:00.39 | aquatix | ah, i could put swap on it indeed |
| 10:02.18 | qwerty12 | goes to compile GtkSpell. I could do with it for the maemo xchat :/ |
| 10:03.08 | GeneralAntilles | lol, qwerty12, that would be sweet. |
| 10:03.37 | lcuk2 | qwerty make sure you include the chav dictionary |
| 10:04.05 | qwerty12 | getting me a translator for the dodgy northern talk is higher on my priority list |
| 10:04.20 | lcuk2 | heh |
| 10:04.40 | qwerty12 | :P |
| 10:04.49 | lcuk2 | arent you from up here though |
| 10:05.01 | qwerty12 | Yep >.< |
| 10:05.25 | qwerty12 | (which is why I always feel a sense of betrayal when I say these things :/) |
| 10:05.32 | lcuk2 | lol |
| 10:06.44 | lcuk2 | we were once on our way to milton keynes for something and stopped at service station - we were surrounded be arsenal fans, the missus was livid |
| 10:07.17 | qwerty12 | lol |
| 10:07.49 | lcuk2 | she wanted to say something about utd just beating them (they were on way home dejected) but i thought it best we just get out quick |
| 10:08.51 | qwerty12 | yeah, good plan. I was once lucky that no one heard me saying that west ham was shit on upton park station on a match day (the station's near the stadium) |
| 10:09.20 | Makegho | is there a way in this x terminal to hide the "abc"/"fn" bar? |
| 10:09.34 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody else getting weird icon stretching on fiferboy's applets in Diablo? |
| 10:10.02 | qwerty12 | No idea but I managed to make his yellow notes port disappear into maemo space by making it really small. |
| 10:10.48 | aquatix | Makegho: yeah, you need to disable control panel |
| 10:10.57 | aquatix | text input, languages tab |
| 10:11.11 | aquatix | settings > uncheck things |
| 10:11.33 | lcuk2 | qwerty little notes for little people :p |
| 10:12.31 | qwerty12 | nah, in London, we got bigger things to do :P |
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| 10:13.34 | Makegho | aquatix: the view with auto-capitalization qand such? |
| 10:13.47 | Makegho | -q |
| 10:13.54 | aquatix | yeah |
| 10:14.08 | aquatix | problem is that it disables auto-capitalisation too ;) |
| 10:14.19 | aquatix | but it will cause the abs/fn bar to disappear |
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| 10:15.08 | Makegho | do I need to remove the others too? |
| 10:15.33 | aquatix | afraid so |
| 10:15.47 | Makegho | :( |
| 10:16.44 | disq | so, tabs in maemo soon? :P |
| 10:17.08 | Makegho | I wish there was a button to hide it |
| 10:17.29 | GeneralAntilles | shift-space should toggle. |
| 10:17.48 | Makegho | great, thanks! |
| 10:17.54 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: ??? |
| 10:18.02 | aquatix | *now* you're telling me :) |
| 10:18.08 | Makegho | :) |
| 10:18.47 | Makegho | auto caps is good to disable still though. It just lets me do more work. |
| 10:18.48 | GeneralAntilles | aquatix, that's, like, the most irritating bug on the N800. |
| 10:18.56 | rm_you | which bug? |
| 10:19.01 | GeneralAntilles | It'll turn on with a bluetooth keyboard but it's almost impossible to make it go away |
| 10:19.02 | GeneralAntilles | shift-space |
| 10:20.05 | timely | GeneralAntilles = ~ s/proprietary/pretty/ |
| 10:20.18 | rm_you | ah |
| 10:21.30 | Makegho | after using n810's keyboard the 3110 classic keyboard feels almost good :/ these keys need so much force. |
| 10:22.17 | Makegho | it's probably because it's so hard to hit the center of the tiny buttons |
| 10:23.05 | GeneralAntilles | Who the hell is in charge of laying out maemo.org/development |
| 10:23.14 | GeneralAntilles | It's impossible to find anything there by clicking around. |
| 10:23.30 | timely | chuckles |
| 10:23.46 | GeneralAntilles | considers filing a torrent of bugs. |
| 10:23.59 | timely | good for karma ;-) |
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| 10:25.38 | AStorm | Makegho: nah, you just can't type ;P |
| 10:25.46 | AStorm | they don't need much force |
| 10:26.05 | GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node8.html#SECTION00860000000000000000 |
| 10:26.10 | AStorm | you probably abuse them, because you can't feel when they're depressed |
| 10:26.11 | GeneralAntilles | Who the hell comes up with URLs like that? |
| 10:26.31 | AStorm | ;P |
| 10:27.49 | Makegho | AStorm: yeah, seems the decision of growing this big fingers was a mistake ^.. heey, what chazracter broke the terminal |
| 10:27.54 | qwerty12 | How comes nokia provide a pdf of the maemo diablo reference manual but not their api docs? I had to winhttrack the api section :? |
| 10:27.56 | qwerty12 | *:/ |
| 10:28.20 | Makegho | I can't get any more characters with the chr button |
| 10:28.35 | Makegho | *that character |
| 10:28.51 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, file an enhancement request. :P |
| 10:29.25 | qwerty12 | Good idea, I'd do it if my eyes weren't straining from looking at 14+ patches >.< |
| 10:29.40 | Makegho | it's still hogging screen area though, but the area is just empty |
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| 10:37.31 | Makegho | can't reproduce the bug |
| 10:37.41 | Makegho | too bad |
| 10:40.04 | Makegho | success. first hide the abc-view with shift+space, then enter that symbol from the chr menu |
| 10:40.41 | Makegho | chr menu stops working so I suppose it dies. |
| 10:41.02 | aquatix | Makegho: what char? |
| 10:41.15 | aquatix | ^ ? |
| 10:41.19 | Makegho | yup |
| 10:41.43 | aquatix | odd |
| 10:41.48 | aquatix | it's on Fn+X too btw ;) |
| 10:42.05 | Makegho | fn+x has ~ for me |
| 10:42.27 | aquatix | hm, ~ is on C here |
| 10:42.31 | aquatix | has US qwerty |
| 10:42.40 | Makegho | Finnish layout here |
| 10:42.47 | aquatix | yeah, guessed so |
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| 10:43.17 | Makegho | so now I need to boot to get it working |
| 10:44.30 | Makegho | unfortunately I don't have time for further analysis now. Need to check it later and maybe fill in a bug report if no-one else does that |
| 10:44.42 | aquatix | bbiab |
| 10:50.31 | GeneralAntilles | Atarii, ping. |
| 10:51.42 | rm_you | Anyone on with a 770 running OS2007HE with fanoush's kernel? :P |
| 10:52.04 | rm_you | or possibly OS2006HE i suppose ... >_> |
| 10:52.54 | Atarii | GeneralAntilles pong |
| 10:53.03 | Atarii | rm_you i have 2006 and 2008HE |
| 10:53.11 | GeneralAntilles | Atarii, you're running OS2008HE, have you flashed any of fanoush's kernel's? |
| 10:53.16 | Atarii | yes |
| 10:53.36 | Atarii | the 24Mhz one |
| 10:53.40 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, OS2006 wasn't HE. :P |
| 10:53.52 | GeneralAntilles | OK, I wasn't sure what the status was on fanoush's stuff and OS2008 |
| 10:53.53 | GeneralAntilles | Thanks |
| 10:54.50 | Atarii | np |
| 10:55.40 | rm_you | heh |
| 10:55.50 | rm_you | Atarii: feel like testing out adv-backlight on the 770? :P |
| 10:56.34 | Atarii | deal |
| 10:57.52 | rm_you | http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/advanced-backlight_0.12-2_armel.deb |
| 10:58.05 | rm_you | should install on 2008HE, and possibly even work ;P |
| 10:58.14 | rm_you | with fanoush's kernel, of course |
| 10:58.34 | qwerty12 | rm_you, does it use something like blset? |
| 10:59.08 | rm_you | yes |
| 10:59.12 | qwerty12 | Ah cool :) |
| 10:59.19 | qwerty12 | w00t, xchat 2.8.6 compiled! :) |
| 10:59.33 | rm_you | it does the same thing as blset, except in C instead of bash :P |
| 11:02.25 | qwerty12 | Ok, libsexy or gtkspell? |
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| 11:03.34 | Atarii | rm_you it complains about dependancy problems |
| 11:03.50 | Atarii | but i think my app manager is screwed so i had to do it via dpkg |
| 11:06.37 | Atarii | omg rotation works |
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| 11:09.07 | rm_you | lol?! |
| 11:09.12 | rm_you | Atarii: did you force install it? |
| 11:09.19 | rm_you | i am working on the deps thing ATM, it's not on your side |
| 11:09.22 | GeneralAntilles | Rotation does indeed work . . . |
| 11:09.29 | GeneralAntilles | hopes a restart will fix that. |
| 11:09.43 | Atarii | it semi-installed, but its status is "broken" |
| 11:10.15 | Atarii | also rotation is kinda messed up, but its still awesome that it half works on the 770! |
| 11:10.43 | GeneralAntilles | What's the status of 770 rotation support? |
| 11:12.36 | Atarii | well, the screen rotates, but only half the menus display |
| 11:12.50 | rm_you | yeah, i've heard that |
| 11:12.52 | rm_you | but but but |
| 11:12.59 | rm_you | Atarii: does the brightness update? |
| 11:13.12 | GeneralAntilles | Well, it seems to work for OS2005. . . . http://syslog.movial.fi/archives/7-xrandr-on-nokia-770.html |
| 11:13.46 | Atarii | adjusting the brightness kills hildon desktop |
| 11:13.53 | rm_you | damnit >_< |
| 11:14.09 | Atarii | but is that because of the dependancies? |
| 11:14.26 | rm_you | don't think so... |
| 11:15.24 | Atarii | nice, hadn't seen that before GeneralAntilles |
| 11:18.20 | Atarii | one of the dependency it complains about is libhildondesktop0 |
| 11:23.38 | rm_you | well |
| 11:23.39 | rm_you | give me a second |
| 11:23.47 | rm_you | and i'll link you a new package |
| 11:23.58 | rm_you | go ahead and remove that one |
| 11:24.08 | rm_you | and get your dpkg setup all fixed :P |
| 11:24.52 | rm_you | it'll be about 4 hours while i wait for this upload to autobuilder, it to build it, and it to show up in -devel |
| 11:25.07 | rm_you | or maybe like 45 min, but still a while :P |
| 11:29.59 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, you do know Igor is a pretty significant kernel engineer in Nokia, right? :P |
| 11:30.11 | lcuk | i don't give a tomhoot :) |
| 11:30.23 | lcuk | speaks the truth |
| 11:30.25 | GeneralAntilles | Well, the point being, he knows what he's talking about. |
| 11:30.43 | rm_you | who be's IGOR? |
| 11:31.04 | GeneralAntilles | Igor Stoppa |
| 11:31.34 | lcuk | so what do i do, bite my tongue just because he works for nokia? |
| 11:31.40 | GeneralAntilles | Uh, no. |
| 11:31.43 | lcuk | they were bullshit reasons |
| 11:32.06 | GeneralAntilles | My only point is that his opinion isn't one you should dismiss out of hand. ;) |
| 11:33.12 | lcuk | is the wifi driver open or closed? what about power saving module? charging? dont these sit in the kernel somewhere? |
| 11:35.19 | GeneralAntilles | Wifi is a module, power saving is in the kernel and perfectly open, and charging is handled by bme (which doesn't have much to do at all with the kernel). |
| 11:35.35 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody know if there's a list anywhere of Gmail's different interfaces? |
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| 11:37.35 | Foxx | Does anybody else take this article as an apple fanboy pissing and moaning about a non-apple product not being... a non-apple product? |
| 11:37.36 | Foxx | http://cs.gmu.edu/~sean/stuff/n800/ |
| 11:38.04 | GeneralAntilles | Eh, maybe a little |
| 11:38.08 | GeneralAntilles | He's no fanboy, though. |
| 11:38.40 | GeneralAntilles | He was a fairly significant Newton dev back in the day. ;) |
| 11:38.40 | Foxx | its just a lot of bitching and whining about how the n800 ISNT a Newton |
| 11:38.40 | GeneralAntilles | So he knows what the fuck he's talking about. |
| 11:38.40 | Foxx | alert the media, holy shit!!1 id idnt know that! |
| 11:39.46 | GeneralAntilles | Consider that you're probably experiencing a bit of a kneejerk gut-level anti-Apple reaction bias when you're reading that article, too. ;) |
| 11:40.25 | Foxx | comparing a modern device to sone thats a decade old in itself is a moot point |
| 11:40.39 | GeneralAntilles | Foxx, you ever get to use a Newton? |
| 11:41.01 | Foxx | as a paperweight, yes |
| 11:41.11 | Foxx | but thats as far as the thing went with me |
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| 11:41.39 | Foxx | unfortunately it was given to me with a messed up battery |
| 11:41.43 | GeneralAntilles | can see he's not going to be entering into a rational discussion here. |
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| 11:42.22 | Foxx | i just dont see the point in debating which is a superior product, and pointing out the flaws, especially when they are a decade apart |
| 11:42.47 | Foxx | and typically ment for two different tasks |
| 11:42.49 | GeneralAntilles | The sad part is that the Newton is 10 years old and is _still_ better than most modern PDAs and handhelds. |
| 11:43.05 | Foxx | hey, any job worth doing is worth doing right |
| 11:44.27 | Foxx | the n800 isnt perfect, nor would i expect it to be, but so far it kicks any Windows Mobile devices' ass (thats ive owend anyways) |
| 11:44.44 | aquatix | well, duh ;) |
| 11:44.56 | aquatix | too bad palm doesn't make anything decent anymore |
| 11:45.08 | aquatix | uses a symbian uiq3 smartphone as pda now |
| 11:46.26 | rm_you | LOL |
| 11:46.27 | rm_you | [As an aside, you may not have realized this, but you can't set the N800 to its lowest brightness. Try it. Set it to its lowest value. Then wait for the screen dimmer to kick in. It'll get lower. Why?] |
| 11:46.35 | rm_you | someone should show him adv-backlight :P |
| 11:46.42 | GeneralAntilles | That's way old |
| 11:46.47 | GeneralAntilles | I'm not sure if he's active anymore. |
| 11:46.48 | rm_you | yeah |
| 11:47.37 | GeneralAntilles | autobuilder done yet? |
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| 11:52.19 | rm_you | yes i believe so |
| 11:52.28 | rm_you | should be 0.12-3 in -devel for chinook |
| 11:55.28 | GeneralAntilles | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/a/advanced-backlight/ |
| 11:55.32 | GeneralAntilles | Don't see it yet |
| 11:57.41 | crashanddie | Q: What do you do when the community around a certain problem does not reply at all ? |
| 11:57.57 | GeneralAntilles | Hunt them down and kill them. |
| 11:57.57 | crashanddie | (on IRC, and there is no mailing list) |
| 11:57.59 | GeneralAntilles | All of them. |
| 11:58.13 | Foxx | ... think twice at calling them a community |
| 11:58.25 | GeneralAntilles | and I thought the Ubuntu community was the best ever at responding to questions. |
| 11:58.28 | GeneralAntilles | eyeroll. |
| 12:00.01 | crashanddie | nha, not Ubuntu |
| 12:00.05 | crashanddie | I'm talking about bluez here |
| 12:00.23 | crashanddie | And there's lardman in #bluez, so they're not all bad ! |
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| 12:00.52 | crashanddie | they're just, very very very sleepy, and not keen answering |
| 12:01.26 | aquatix | i have disappearing [not appearing] images now and then when having multiple microb windows open |
| 12:01.31 | aquatix | any of you see that issue too? |
| 12:01.33 | lcuk | offer sexual favors to responders |
| 12:01.41 | aquatix | lcuk: *g* |
| 12:01.58 | lopz | hola |
| 12:02.05 | crashanddie | lcuk, they're not like you :P |
| 12:02.12 | lcuk | :D |
| 12:02.18 | GeneralAntilles | Well, rm_you, no desktop crash |
| 12:02.19 | crashanddie | they're not as "open" |
| 12:02.21 | crashanddie | minded |
| 12:02.23 | GeneralAntilles | but no brightness change, either. |
| 12:02.28 | Atarii | i actually really like this n800/newton article |
| 12:02.38 | lcuk | has a firewall |
| 12:02.59 | rm_you | it's interesting, he has some good points |
| 12:03.10 | aquatix | Atarii: which one? |
| 12:03.18 | rm_you | it also needs to be updated to take note of how well the community has accomplished some of the things on his list :P |
| 12:03.24 | Atarii | http://cs.gmu.edu/~sean/stuff/n800/ |
| 12:03.28 | lcuk | i thought that article was very well put together, its a bit old now and i read it all a while ago |
| 12:03.41 | aquatix | Atarii: thanks |
| 12:04.04 | Atarii | it's true that some things are fixed not, but similarly some of his suggestions could still be viable |
| 12:04.21 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm |
| 12:04.25 | GeneralAntilles | Why did it install 11-7? |
| 12:04.41 | lcuk | goes back to puzzlefarter |
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| 12:05.08 | Atarii | s/not/now |
| 12:05.14 | Atarii | rm_you is the new one up? |
| 12:05.25 | GeneralAntilles | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/a/advanced-backlight/ |
| 12:06.12 | Atarii | ah thanks |
| 12:08.25 | aquatix | Atarii: ah, i know that article |
| 12:08.28 | aquatix | nice one indeed |
| 12:08.58 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, 12-3 crashes hildon-desktop when you tap OK in Panels. |
| 12:10.32 | rm_you | erk, on n800 too? |
| 12:11.01 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: wait, like... when you LOAD it!? |
| 12:11.05 | GeneralAntilles | Yes. |
| 12:14.19 | rm_you | just 770 or also n800? |
| 12:15.56 | Atarii | only version 11-7 shows up in my app man |
| 12:16.55 | rm_you | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/a/advanced-backlight/advanced-backlight_0.12-3_armel.deb |
| 12:16.55 | rm_you | ? |
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| 12:19.02 | rm_you | phew, 0.12-3 seems to work on my N800 |
| 12:19.20 | Atarii | got it via web browser, now installing |
| 12:19.28 | rm_you | erk |
| 12:19.36 | rm_you | i recommend dpkg --purge advanced-backlight |
| 12:19.39 | rm_you | before install |
| 12:20.01 | rm_you | or else you may need to reboot |
| 12:22.05 | Atarii | rebooting.... |
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| 12:23.31 | Atarii | constant rebooting of the desktop :S |
| 12:26.25 | Atarii | damn, it's killed my OS |
| 12:26.33 | rm_you | !?!?!?!?/ |
| 12:26.34 | rm_you | >_> |
| 12:26.36 | rm_you | srsly |
| 12:26.52 | aquatix | next you see Atarii ping timeout |
| 12:27.15 | rm_you | Atarii: but the one I linked you to prior to that did NOT crash like that?! |
| 12:27.45 | Atarii | it did, but it stopped |
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| 12:27.53 | Atarii | aquatix, im on laptop here :p |
| 12:27.55 | GeneralAntilles | 11-7 was fine, just no backlight changes. 12-2 only crashed when changing the backlight slider. |
| 12:28.34 | rm_you | hrm |
| 12:28.35 | Atarii | 12-3 kills hildon-desktop, then it starts up again, rinse, repeat |
| 12:28.47 | rm_you | but 12-2 DIDNT |
| 12:28.48 | rm_you | wtf |
| 12:29.00 | rm_you | the only change is the compilation stuff |
| 12:29.07 | GeneralAntilles | would install rich core dumps and get one for you |
| 12:29.09 | GeneralAntilles | but meh. :P |
| 12:29.09 | rm_you | IE, compiled in diablo SB versus chinook SB |
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| 12:30.54 | summatusmentis | hmm... I wish the card manufacturers would get on top of making a 32GB microsd |
| 12:32.02 | rm_you | if I do: myfile = fopen(...), will if (myfile) tell me if it opened correctly? |
| 12:33.00 | |tbb1 | hi rm_you: will advancebacklight work properly under diablo? |
| 12:33.10 | lcuk | it will be null on error i believe and you can call the syserr or whatever its called function |
| 12:33.28 | rm_you | |tbb1: yes, works great... and it is now in extras repository |
| 12:33.40 | lcuk | http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007908775/xsh/fopen.html |
| 12:33.59 | rm_you | lcuk: well, all i did between releases was add "if (myfile != NULL)" before my fprintf |
| 12:34.05 | rm_you | and it caused it to freak out and crash |
| 12:34.14 | |tbb1 | for me the display brightness is always brighter than i set it, but if i set it again its okay |
| 12:34.37 | rm_you | |tbb1: i'm not sure i understand |
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| 12:36.02 | Atarii | my 2008HE OS is on the mmc, if i mount it on my laptop, can i stop adv-backlight running on boot? |
| 12:36.10 | rm_you | yes |
| 12:36.35 | |tbb1 | i will check it again |
| 12:36.39 | rm_you | remove /usr/share/applications/hildon-status-bar/advanced-backlight.desktop |
| 12:36.54 | rm_you | and then when it boots back up, --purge the package |
| 12:37.00 | Atarii | thanks :D |
| 12:37.05 | lcuk | rm_you, wheres the svn for your latest |
| 12:37.07 | rm_you | lol, sorry for that >_> |
| 12:37.16 | rm_you | lcuk: err... garage svn? >_> |
| 12:38.03 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=564 :P |
| 12:38.11 | lcuk | thanks gen :) |
| 12:38.25 | rm_you | i was working on giving you the svn checkout command |
| 12:38.29 | rm_you | but garage is SOOOOOOOO slow |
| 12:38.40 | rm_you | still trying to navigate there |
| 12:38.53 | rm_you | svn checkout https://garage.maemo.org/svn/adv-backlight |
| 12:40.51 | lcuk | rm_you, what happens if you call fclose on a NULL handle? |
| 12:40.57 | rm_you | ack |
| 12:40.59 | rm_you | good point |
| 12:41.08 | rm_you | no idea ;P |
| 12:41.15 | rm_you | think that is it? |
| 12:41.36 | lcuk | not sure, but i wouldnt call OS commands on invalid pointers |
| 12:41.37 | rm_you | but why didn't it crash without the check there? it would still be trying fclose on a null handle, AND fprintf >_> |
| 12:41.41 | lcuk | or try not to anyway |
| 12:41.52 | rm_you | yeah... |
| 12:42.15 | rm_you | so, should i leave it as (myfile != NULL) or should it just be (myfile)? |
| 12:42.30 | rm_you | any non-null will be true there, yes? |
| 12:42.41 | rm_you | well, any non-null file handle (1+) |
| 12:42.49 | lcuk | they mean the same in this system, but in different OS's NULL might not be zero |
| 12:43.25 | lcuk | leave the check as != NULL, no1 will bitch at you for it |
| 12:43.43 | rm_you | k |
| 12:44.50 | lcuk | your write to the backlight level is similar to how i write the cpufreq away |
| 12:45.12 | rm_you | and that should work fine right? |
| 12:45.36 | lcuk | does it need the \n on it when it does get to writing it |
| 12:45.45 | rm_you | no |
| 12:45.50 | rm_you | this code used to work with n800 |
| 12:45.56 | rm_you | back before we figured out dsme |
| 12:46.03 | lcuk | look here: https://garage.maemo.org/svn/liqbase/liqapp.c for cpufreq_governor_write |
| 12:47.01 | rm_you | hrm you use fputs |
| 12:47.07 | rm_you | other than that, no difference |
| 12:47.24 | lcuk | functions are similar, but i dont call fclose when it failed to open |
| 12:47.30 | rm_you | yeah i fixed it |
| 12:47.34 | lcuk | cool |
| 12:48.18 | lcuk | why have you moved away from dmse again? |
| 12:48.51 | lcuk | dsme ^ |
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| 12:50.41 | GeneralAntilles | Hey, pupnik. :) |
| 12:50.47 | johnx | woo! back from work O_o |
| 12:50.57 | GeneralAntilles | Man, krisse is amazing at distilling stuff down for the newbies. |
| 12:51.27 | summatusmentis | hi johnx |
| 12:51.38 | johnx | hey summatusmentis |
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| 12:51.48 | rm_you | lcuk: for 770 support, as it does not have/use dsme |
| 12:52.04 | pupnik | good $timeofday |
| 12:52.10 | lcuk | good enough reason for me |
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| 12:52.49 | kkrusty | when is the vm appliance for diablo coming? |
| 12:52.52 | lcuk | heh pupnik, its $morning+6hours where you are isnt it :P |
| 12:52.59 | GeneralAntilles | It's gonna be sweet once it gets working. |
| 12:53.18 | pupnik | eh, i'm +1 from you lcuk, aren't I? |
| 12:53.29 | pupnik | CET |
| 12:53.50 | lcuk | yer, im thinking normal wake up time is about 8-9am :P |
| 12:54.09 | GeneralAntilles | Be nice if OS2008HE were inline with Diablo so we could just push fanoush's kernel through Application manager. |
| 12:54.13 | lcuk | was woken up by the sound of youngest falling off eldests ladder |
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| 12:54.41 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, would it be possible to detect kernel-support and only provide 9 levels if they don't have it installed? |
| 12:54.58 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, the HE releases use the older kernels though...not even at chinook level, IIRC |
| 12:55.10 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, of course. |
| 12:55.16 | GeneralAntilles | But what does that have to do with anything? :P |
| 12:55.27 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: IE, doing it the gconf way? with only the default 5 or so levels available? >_> |
| 12:55.35 | GeneralAntilles | 9 on the 770 |
| 12:55.42 | rm_you | not in 2008HE? |
| 12:55.48 | GeneralAntilles | Yes in OS2008HE. |
| 12:56.05 | GeneralAntilles | Well, I'm thinking that it'd still be worthwhile to be able to use the applet even if you don't have the kernel patch applied. |
| 12:56.28 | rm_you | yeah probably |
| 12:56.43 | rm_you | but seriously? the os2008HE has a different default backlight applet than os2008 proper? |
| 12:57.08 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 12:57.23 | rm_you | ... <_< |
| 12:57.44 | GeneralAntilles | It's just 4 more levels. |
| 12:57.57 | GeneralAntilles | No retarded N810 bullshit to get in the way. ;) |
| 12:58.01 | rm_you | I'm beginning to think that if people want 770 support, they should either code it themselves and submit a working patch, or else send me a 770 >< |
| 12:58.11 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 12:58.12 | GeneralAntilles | I offered |
| 12:58.14 | GeneralAntilles | You declined. :P |
| 12:58.16 | rm_you | lol |
| 12:58.21 | GeneralAntilles | Now the offer's expired. |
| 12:58.24 | rm_you | rofl |
| 12:58.55 | sp3000 | heh |
| 12:58.59 | sp3000 | looks at the bottom of http://maemo.org/midcom-static/style_maemo2007/style.css |
| 12:59.22 | rm_you | rofl |
| 12:59.36 | rm_you | yay for svn artifacts |
| 13:00.10 | sp3000 | well, any unattended merge regardless of particulat scm |
| 13:00.22 | sp3000 | conflicting merge that is ) |
| 13:00.24 | sp3000 | : |
| 13:00.28 | sp3000 | MY EYES |
| 13:01.17 | rm_you | Atarii: so, you feel like testing it again? :P rofl |
| 13:01.45 | rm_you | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/a/advanced-backlight/advanced-backlight_0.12-4_armel.deb should be available in several minutes... already past the autobuilder |
| 13:03.05 | Stskeeps | johnx: http://cvs.ircsystems.net/cgi/viewvc.cgi/UnrealIRCd%20SVN/nit-debian/trunk/nit-base-packages/dsme-tools/usr/sbin/ <- various interesting things using DSME library |
| 13:03.47 | johnx | Stskeeps, awesome, as usual! :D |
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| 13:04.25 | Stskeeps | johnx: also i made zuh's hald-addon-retu-adc so it appears as a battery in HAL.. not sure it is 100% precise though |
| 13:04.49 | t_s_o | hmm, i recall the led on my N800 marking when the battery was fully charged while using chinook. but i dont recall seeing that led since i updated to diablo... |
| 13:04.50 | johnx | gah! so iwconfig can be used to set power saving without modifying anything else? |
| 13:04.58 | Stskeeps | johnx: aye |
| 13:05.14 | johnx | I messed with that a bunch, but I didn't guess the right string O_o |
| 13:05.17 | johnx | grumbles |
| 13:05.30 | Stskeeps | i first noticed the connection when i saw wlancond source :P |
| 13:06.08 | johnx | I did figure out how to set the CAM timeout to 51.3 seconds though :D |
| 13:06.10 | Stskeeps | just tested it yesterday properly.. seems to have a good effect |
| 13:06.43 | rm_you | :P |
| 13:06.48 | johnx | did you happen to rebuild xomap with the DPMS patch? |
| 13:06.55 | rm_you | so, debian support is moving along nicely? |
| 13:07.16 | johnx | rm_you, it appears so, thanks to people more diligent than me :D |
| 13:07.34 | rm_you | I'm beginning to feel the same way about adv-backlight >_> |
| 13:08.02 | Stskeeps | johnx: nada - just using the one based off -beta3 |
| 13:08.13 | johnx | Stskeeps, alright, I'll try and build that then |
| 13:08.15 | Stskeeps | which has gone through several hacks on package level by now |
| 13:08.16 | Stskeeps | k |
| 13:08.44 | johnx | also, I'm looking at gpe-login for the login screen |
| 13:09.43 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 13:10.02 | rm_you | what are you using as a base? etch? |
| 13:10.06 | Stskeeps | sid |
| 13:10.10 | rm_you | srsly? :P |
| 13:10.17 | johnx | rm_you, sid and lenny are the only things with armel support |
| 13:10.19 | rm_you | cool, i guess, but isn't that quite a moving target? |
| 13:10.22 | Stskeeps | quite |
| 13:10.23 | rm_you | ah. |
| 13:10.35 | Stskeeps | i've bricked my setup 2-3 times so far |
| 13:10.36 | Stskeeps | ::P |
| 13:10.54 | rm_you | i update ~50 packages a day on Sid <_< |
| 13:10.54 | Stskeeps | but in general it's okay |
| 13:11.24 | johnx | Stskeeps, so should I probably do a fresh install before I start hacking so that I have the state-of-the-art setup? |
| 13:11.39 | Atarii | rm_you im back, 12-4 ready to go? |
| 13:11.40 | Stskeeps | johnx: possibly - there's some nice packages on there by now |
| 13:12.00 | rm_you | Atarii: not quite... still waiting for it to show up |
| 13:12.11 | Stskeeps | and i altered installer a bit when fitting in the partitioner and mkfs part (not mandatory, just make sure your target isn't mounted) |
| 13:12.14 | johnx | alright, I'll try and poke at getting hildon stuff into poky while I wait |
| 13:12.16 | Atarii | ok |
| 13:14.13 | Stskeeps | i'm just wondering what next steps are for me besides documenting my latest changes :) |
| 13:14.49 | johnx | I don't know, I'll have to take a look, but the work you've put in so far is pretty freaking awesome |
| 13:15.12 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 13:15.26 | Stskeeps | i'm starting to see it as a viable development platform by now |
| 13:15.36 | t_s_o | one find the most interesting things digging into gconf. 1: the updates autocheck interval (1440, dont know if thats minutes, seconds or what). 2: that two options about leds and charging where turned off ;) |
| 13:15.38 | johnx | especially with the power saving working |
| 13:16.52 | Stskeeps | of minor things needed - libgtkstylus support package that puts in export GTK_MODULES=libgtkstylus.so into etc/X11/Xsession.d/45gtkstylus :P |
| 13:17.01 | |tbb1 | iirc the n8x0 has power management for the wlan adapter, will this also work in adhoc mode |
| 13:17.25 | johnx | |tbb1, I believe it won't |
| 13:17.55 | Jaffa | re |
| 13:18.00 | johnx | AFAIK, no wlan adapter can do much (any?) power saving in ad-hoc |
| 13:18.39 | Foxx | what package did you install to get iwconfig working? |
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| 13:18.53 | Atarii | wireless tools |
| 13:19.12 | Foxx | i shoulda' figured ;} |
| 13:19.25 | Foxx | i figured it was wlan tools or somethin' |
| 13:20.22 | |tbb| | i never get connected to an ap through iwconfig on the tablet, i think the icd wont let me |
| 13:20.40 | t_s_o | hmm, seems that the led part of the display settings app sets the two led settings to off even with "other led use" option turned on... |
| 13:21.25 | rm_you | johnx: does debian use xfce now or still matchbox |
| 13:21.53 | johnx | rm_you, beta3 is xfce, Stskeeps' installer drops you in an xterm |
| 13:21.55 | rm_you | i kind of felt the urge earlier to try a WM that actually supports multiple apps on the screen at once :P |
| 13:22.29 | rm_you | wonder how well it would work |
| 13:22.29 | Stskeeps | rm_you: but you can easily just apt-get install icewm and it sets up the x-window-manager alias correctly :P |
| 13:22.36 | rm_you | it seemed to work on the zaurus |
| 13:22.43 | johnx | it's pretty overrated on such a small screen I think, but I might try something clever with devilspie to make most apps maximize and some apps (calculator, dictionary, etc) run in a smaller window |
| 13:22.45 | rm_you | ah cool :P |
| 13:23.08 | GeneralAntilles | still doesn't get the KDE whores. |
| 13:23.10 | rm_you | Atarii: ok, ready: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/a/advanced-backlight/advanced-backlight_0.12-4_armel.deb |
| 13:27.24 | Atarii | purging this time |
| 13:28.02 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, tsk, tsk, no need to ask for a desktop-environment flamewar. :P |
| 13:29.06 | |tbb| | rm_you: whats new on the ab12-4 |
| 13:31.49 | rm_you | oh crap |
| 13:32.08 | rm_you | i just did ", ,bash_history" by accident, trying to tab-complete .bash_profile |
| 13:32.13 | rm_you | wow this sucks |
| 13:32.41 | Atarii | rm_you it looks promising so far... |
| 13:32.48 | rm_you | i have no idea how many hundreds of commands just got run |
| 13:32.48 | johnx | I could see that...you'll have to kill it too. the last thing it will do is source .bash_history... |
| 13:33.02 | rm_you | and what they did to my system |
| 13:33.09 | johnx | were you root? |
| 13:33.16 | rm_you | inside scratchbox >_> |
| 13:33.18 | rm_you | so no |
| 13:33.20 | rm_you | but... |
| 13:33.27 | johnx | well, that's actually kinda lucky |
| 13:33.27 | rm_you | no sudo password IIRC |
| 13:33.50 | rm_you | yeah but i need my scratchbox >_> |
| 13:34.01 | johnx | maybe it's time for a new one |
| 13:34.10 | rm_you | there are rm -r commands in there >_> |
| 13:34.11 | rm_you | lots of them |
| 13:34.20 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, brightness still doesn't do anything. |
| 13:34.23 | rm_you | thank god i never did a rm -rf * in any directory |
| 13:34.36 | Atarii | yea same here |
| 13:34.44 | Atarii | at least it doesnt crash :) |
| 13:34.56 | rm_you | hrm, wonder why it isn't working |
| 13:34.58 | rm_you | wait |
| 13:35.22 | rm_you | can you see if /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level exists? |
| 13:36.09 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 13:36.37 | rm_you | |tbb|: a few trivial bugfixes from the last release (all border cases), a new iconset, faster response time when changing backlight level, and hopefully 770 support |
| 13:36.46 | rm_you | erm |
| 13:36.48 | rm_you | hrm |
| 13:36.56 | rm_you | it is failing to open that file |
| 13:37.00 | rm_you | I wonder why |
| 13:37.04 | rm_you | permissions maybe |
| 13:37.05 | rm_you | ack |
| 13:37.07 | rm_you | ls -l it |
| 13:37.12 | rm_you | tell me permissions |
| 13:37.20 | |tbb| | ah k. |
| 13:39.16 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: yep it is a permissions issue |
| 13:39.34 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: just to verify... can you tell me the permissions on that file |
| 13:39.45 | Veggen | rm: I didn't on the tablet. Done it on the wrong directory on production salary system box, once, though ;) (was gonna wipe on a test system to replicate it from production) |
| 13:39.53 | rm_you | Atarii: do this as root: chmod a+w /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level |
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| 13:40.23 | rm_you | Veggen: ick >_> |
| 13:40.30 | Veggen | since then, I've always verified and verified again before hitting enter whenever I type rm -rf * ;) |
| 13:40.39 | rm_you | heh well |
| 13:40.42 | mmr | any guys here with experience in rtcomm |
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| 13:41.21 | rm_you | the .bash_history is basically the WORST file to source by accident >_> |
| 13:41.40 | rm_you | i mean, any other file, pft, whatever.... it'll prolly just break and exit... but bash_history is ENTIRELY proper commands |
| 13:41.59 | rm_you | and without their original context >_> |
| 13:42.11 | mmr | anyone? |
| 13:42.14 | rm_you | Atarii: and then reload the applet |
| 13:42.23 | Atarii | kk |
| 13:42.29 | Veggen | mmr: Define experience? (or, just ask your question?) |
| 13:42.33 | Atarii | reload the applet? |
| 13:42.50 | mmr | lol ok |
| 13:42.57 | mmr | any idea how to force a codec |
| 13:43.01 | rm_you | Atarii: erm, control panel -> panels, and uncheck it, click ok, back to panels, check it, ok |
| 13:43.07 | mmr | ie g729 |
| 13:43.10 | mmr | or g711 |
| 13:44.07 | Veggen | hm. not off hand. But there *might* be some gconf-tricks. |
| 13:44.16 | Atarii | ooo well it worked! :D |
| 13:44.21 | rm_you | Atarii: :P |
| 13:44.23 | mmr | thats what i was thinking |
| 13:44.32 | rm_you | so it is working now with brightness adjusting? :P |
| 13:44.38 | mmr | hence the experience question ;) |
| 13:44.55 | Atarii | but then i moved it up and it killed my nokia, only removed the battery turned it back on :S |
| 13:44.55 | rm_you | >_> |
| 13:44.55 | Atarii | lol |
| 13:44.59 | rm_you | try again? >_< |
| 13:44.59 | Atarii | ill try again |
| 13:45.05 | rm_you | maybe it was a fluke :P |
| 13:45.11 | rm_you | sighs |
| 13:45.13 | Atarii | hope so, fingers crossed.... |
| 13:45.19 | Atarii | maybe it got too excited for itself |
| 13:45.27 | rm_you | lol |
| 13:45.42 | rm_you | maybe I need to remove the multithreading for the 770 file operation >_> |
| 13:46.20 | lcuk | atarii, if it gets excited by installing a backlight app, imagine what would happen if you showed it nokia battery replacement pictures ;) |
| 13:46.25 | Veggen | mmr: hm. you can list your gconf-tree with gconftool -R /, and then search in that and see what you find. |
| 13:46.38 | Atarii | lol |
| 13:47.07 | rm_you | :P |
| 13:47.08 | Atarii | so it works, but it dies after 124 value on the brightness |
| 13:47.16 | rm_you | .... |
| 13:47.19 | rm_you | so my math is broken |
| 13:47.32 | rm_you | like, you can change it anything up to 124 |
| 13:47.34 | rm_you | ? |
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| 13:47.36 | Atarii | yea |
| 13:47.38 | rm_you | 1-123 work great? |
| 13:47.41 | rm_you | repeatedly? |
| 13:47.47 | Atarii | ill retry |
| 13:47.52 | Atarii | its rebooting. again. |
| 13:47.54 | rm_you | lol |
| 13:48.03 | rm_you | thanks for your patience :P |
| 13:48.10 | Atarii | lol np |
| 13:48.19 | Atarii | it benefits me just as much |
| 13:48.57 | mmr | aw i was hoping for some xterm instruction just to force the codec |
| 13:49.02 | mmr | have you used gizmo |
| 13:49.31 | Veggen | mmr: Not beyond trying it briefly. |
| 13:50.02 | Atarii | rm_you that file needs to be given permissions again on startup |
| 13:50.07 | rm_you | hrm, i just realized... even if my n800 is like, dropped out of a 10 story window and then run over by a car... i don't really lose anything cause my rootfs is on the SD card, and a measly car running over the n800 wouldn't hurt that card :P |
| 13:50.13 | rm_you | Atarii: >_> |
| 13:51.00 | Atarii | so your saying your n800 is an elaborate SD case.... |
| 13:51.30 | johnx | rm_you, ah, the wonders of root on removable media |
| 13:51.46 | rm_you | Atarii: err... yes :P |
| 13:51.50 | rm_you | johnx: :P |
| 13:51.50 | Atarii | the brightness interval is six, yet its set to 10 |
| 13:52.10 | rm_you | er |
| 13:52.21 | rm_you | in the settings, and then using the +/- buttons? |
| 13:52.34 | Atarii | yea, it still goes up in intervals of 6 |
| 13:52.36 | rm_you | yeah those two things are entirely unrelated at the moment |
| 13:52.39 | rm_you | lol |
| 13:52.40 | Atarii | ok |
| 13:52.41 | Atarii | lol |
| 13:52.43 | rm_you | the interval is for the hardware buttons |
| 13:52.49 | rm_you | left/right and up/down dpad |
| 13:53.01 | Atarii | right, ah yes |
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| 13:53.52 | Atarii | yup works completely up to the last value |
| 13:53.55 | crashanddie | lcuk, well, I didn't get the mouse to work under windows, but on the other, bluetooth doesn't work at all under windows so... |
| 13:53.56 | Atarii | then crashes |
| 13:54.05 | crashanddie | other hand** |
| 13:54.06 | rm_you | Atarii: alright i will look |
| 13:54.36 | lcuk | crashanddie, well thats ummm kind of expected for windows, my dongle never seems to work when i want it to |
| 13:54.56 | Veggen | hmmf. I once found all the possible valid keys for the sip connection, but can't remember how ;) |
| 13:56.08 | rm_you | lcuk: so much wrong with that sentence :P |
| 13:56.21 | crashanddie | hahahahaha |
| 13:56.24 | lcuk | no worse than your program :P |
| 13:56.25 | Atarii | and that file definately needs it permissions setting each boot, but is that because it's crashing, and so not closing properly? |
| 13:56.28 | rm_you | lol |
| 13:56.45 | crashanddie | I think I'm going to quote that... |
| 13:56.47 | rm_you | Atarii: no, it is being created fresh each boot with default permissions |
| 13:56.52 | crashanddie | "My dongle never seems to work when I want it to" |
| 13:56.54 | Atarii | ok |
| 13:57.20 | rm_you | "<lcuk> ... my dongle never seems to work when i want it to" :P |
| 13:57.32 | rm_you | definitely going on bash.org :P |
| 13:57.48 | lcuk | :D heh, ive never been on there |
| 13:58.07 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, be prepared to lose the rest of the day if you do. |
| 13:58.08 | lcuk | or not that i knowfo |
| 13:58.19 | lcuk | ive browsed, never been quoted |
| 13:58.29 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, right. |
| 13:59.10 | Atarii | 128 i think is the value that kills it rm_you |
| 13:59.16 | rm_you | yeah |
| 13:59.24 | rm_you | will fix that, sec |
| 13:59.36 | crashanddie | unsigned char overflow ? |
| 13:59.37 | johnx | uhm, I think the word is workaround |
| 13:59.41 | johnx | I'd call this a kernel bug |
| 13:59.42 | crashanddie | err, signed char** |
| 14:00.03 | rm_you | pending moderation :P |
| 14:00.10 | crashanddie | note to self: never use ** to say I'm correcting something when talking about C |
| 14:00.12 | lcuk | rm_you, misquote me however and you will regret it :P |
| 14:00.20 | rm_you | lcuk: no misquote :P |
| 14:00.28 | crashanddie | lcuk, oh yeah, you're gonna launch a n810 missile at us ? |
| 14:00.56 | rm_you | opens liqbase to find the splash screen reading "DEATH TO RM_YOU" |
| 14:02.09 | lcuk | heh |
| 14:03.21 | crashanddie | This mouse has me depressed |
| 14:03.22 | crashanddie | honestly |
| 14:03.50 | lcuk | get a wired one |
| 14:03.53 | crashanddie | And I can't even hang myself with it... It's cordless |
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| 14:16.01 | Atarii | using fanoushes boot menu, anyone know if i can modify it "on the fly" or do i need to reflash with any changes? |
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| 14:17.00 | GAN800 | Chinook's initfs is too small to modify. |
| 14:20.21 | daverw | Hi, I'm new to the n800 (had it a couple of days) and am trying to install notecase, but it can't find libhildon-1.so.0. I've tried searching for this but can't figure out which package I need to install to get it. I'm running OS2008 (bora). Any idea? |
| 14:20.54 | johnx | daverw, OS2007 is bora, OS2008 is chinook or diablo. |
| 14:21.06 | daverw | Aaaaah |
| 14:21.09 | johnx | is it a new N800 or previously owned? have you upgraded the OS to the latest release? |
| 14:21.22 | daverw | Brand new. Not touched the OS |
| 14:21.33 | johnx | alright, so OS2007/bora |
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| 14:21.50 | daverw | OK. Is it easy to upgrade the OS? |
| 14:21.58 | johnx | yup |
| 14:22.07 | wiza | not much software yet in diablo repositories? |
| 14:22.16 | pupnik | nice chillout downtempo electro |
| 14:22.17 | pupnik | http://youtube.com/watch?v=yJ6p9Ot6qiI Extended Spirit - illicity part 1 |
| 14:22.20 | GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Upgrading_tablet_OS |
| 14:22.50 | daverw | Excellent. Thanks for this GeneralAntilles |
| 14:23.07 | GeneralAntilles | wiza, it's mostly there. |
| 14:23.16 | GeneralAntilles | You can get anything you really need out of Chinook Extras, anyway. . . . |
| 14:25.16 | wiza | I have those 3 nokia stuff and maemo extras for diablo |
| 14:26.02 | wiza | I had lots of stuff but I fucked up my tablet little while ago(rebooted itself again and again) and I don't know why =) |
| 14:26.11 | wiza | might be those a2dp stuff... |
| 14:26.36 | johnx | what a2dp stuff did you install? |
| 14:26.48 | johnx | just a2dp-support or the old OS2007 stuff? |
| 14:29.00 | wiza | sbc-dsp |
| 14:29.07 | wiza | and a2dp-support script |
| 14:29.32 | johnx | ah, I have that installed too. It doesn't always make a2dp work perfectly, but it shouldn't cause reboot loops |
| 14:29.38 | wiza | but as I said, I don't know if that was what bricked my tablet |
| 14:29.59 | wiza | until I reflashed it |
| 14:30.06 | johnx | if things start pointing to a2dp I'd be interested to hear it |
| 14:30.25 | wiza | yeah, I test it after I come back from helsinki tomorrow |
| 14:30.30 | johnx | thanks |
| 14:30.33 | wiza | really need it there :D |
| 14:30.52 | pupnik | dances for Iceweasel 3.0 |
| 14:31.11 | pupnik | now available in debian sid! |
| 14:31.15 | wiza | do navigation sounds work through a2dp too? |
| 14:31.30 | johnx | nope. talk to nokia about that |
| 14:31.41 | johnx | only mplayer or other alsa-based things work right now |
| 14:32.17 | Veggen | hmm. Reminds me. I should go find an italian language podcast to listen to when travelling to Italy tomorrow....2*1.45 minutes plane. |
| 14:32.27 | johnx | later, gstreamer stuff may work with lardman's sbc-dsp, but it's unknown whether system sounds and the builtin media player can be made to work without Nokia intervention |
| 14:33.55 | johnx | Veggen, with 2 plane rides that are only 1.45 minutes each you need short pop songs, not podcasts :P |
| 14:34.13 | Veggen | 1h 45 minutes each, I meant ;) |
| 14:34.31 | Veggen | (first Bergen-Amsterdam, then Amsterdam-Milan) |
| 14:34.43 | johnx | was being purposefully obtuse |
| 14:34.50 | Veggen | I know :) |
| 14:37.29 | Foxx | can anyone reccomend a wifi scanner (besides kismet) for the n800? |
| 14:38.00 | Ave | can you set the iface to promiscuous mode? |
| 14:38.05 | Atarii | iwlist scan |
| 14:38.29 | Foxx | i was hipoing for something a wee bit more realtime and semi-graphical |
| 14:38.37 | Foxx | although rfmon will do |
| 14:38.55 | Atarii | airodump-ng ? |
| 14:39.11 | Foxx | thats more for dumping packet |
| 14:39.36 | Atarii | shows networks, in realtime and is semi-graphical |
| 14:39.52 | Atarii | only for dumping packets if you enable logging |
| 14:39.58 | Foxx | im tryiong to get Wireless Tools installed at the moment, so i at least have iwlist |
| 14:40.07 | Foxx | ok, ill check that out |
| 14:40.08 | kkrusty | pupnik: the touchmegames dont work |
| 14:42.28 | pupnik | kkrusty: problem building them? a lot of them need adjustments for 800x480 |
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| 14:43.57 | kkrusty | pupnik: well they built fine. Except for some invalid headers/libraries. The main problem is that I cant seem to understand how to play them. |
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| 14:45.17 | pupnik | lol i didn't try em all :) |
| 14:45.40 | kkrusty | hmmm it might be that the interface and events dont match coordinates |
| 14:46.07 | pupnik | install it on your win/linux pc to see how to play correctly |
| 14:46.27 | kkrusty | pupnik: that makes sense. thanks |
| 14:46.59 | kkrusty | just wishes they would name these games differently; touchmegames :( |
| 14:50.55 | pupnik | yep i have to get my dev box set up tonight |
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| 14:52.09 | pupnik | but that's probably the best game package to do actual hildon work on |
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| 14:52.42 | Foxx | i cant seem to find a repo for airodump-ng |
| 14:52.49 | Foxx | any suggestions? |
| 14:52.57 | pupnik | so what you learn by working on that might be more useful than, say, getting into SDL |
| 14:53.05 | pupnik | Foxx: search itt forums |
| 14:53.16 | qwerty12 | Hello |
| 14:53.33 | Foxx | i tried gronmayer.it |
| 14:53.40 | pupnik | i don't think it's repo-ized yet |
| 14:53.40 | Foxx | i figured that would be the best place to go |
| 14:53.43 | qwerty12 | Foxx, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20888 |
| 14:53.45 | summatusmentis | is there a way to enlarge hildon pop-up windows |
| 14:53.47 | summatusmentis | ? |
| 14:54.00 | Foxx | google just retunrs a bunch uf "help help" topics |
| 14:59.43 | |tbb| | Foxx: search for aircrack-ng suite it contains airodump iirc |
| 15:00.12 | Foxx | ok, ill try that |
| 15:00.20 | Atarii | its in the link qwerty12 just posted |
| 15:00.21 | Foxx | ive been looking for airodump-ng this far |
| 15:00.47 | rm_you | I miss Wellenreiter from OpenZaurus >_> |
| 15:01.15 | summatusmentis | rm_you: might still be in OE |
| 15:01.35 | johnx | it was a qt2 app, though, right? |
| 15:02.00 | rm_you | yeah :/ |
| 15:02.02 | pupnik | an N9x0 in Psion Netbook format would make a nice momputer |
| 15:02.27 | johnx | pupnik, I keep looking at the beagleboard and getting ideas like that |
| 15:02.37 | qwerty12 | When making a GPG key to upload to extras, do I use (1) DSA and Elgamal (default)? |
| 15:03.06 | pupnik | yeah johnx - if it were stylish, easy to use, and netbook size (but slimmer), it would make a great purse accessory |
| 15:03.12 | summatusmentis | oh, I forgot that |
| 15:03.53 | summatusmentis | my n810 is the closest I've been able to come to a relatively usable pocket computer |
| 15:04.15 | Atarii | so now rotate half works on the 770, is there anything from jott's http://sse2.net/rotate/ i need to install so it displays properly? |
| 15:04.26 | johnx | summatusmentis, my n800 is pretty much there. I have mastered the FSK :P |
| 15:04.40 | |tbb| | anyone knows how to enable the bluetooth icon on kagu player |
| 15:04.46 | summatusmentis | johnx: I'm missing a couple apps that I'd like to have |
| 15:04.53 | johnx | summatusmentis, PIM? |
| 15:05.35 | rm_you | Atarii: i'm kind of confused about it working at all... did you install the custom xorg-server and kernel that supports it!? >_> |
| 15:05.55 | summatusmentis | PIM is part of it, I'd like to have an office suite, either vim+cscope or a good IDE, and I need to find some more storage |
| 15:06.08 | qwerty12 | |tbb|, it's not worth it, it's only enabled with an older (And worse) method of a2dp |
| 15:06.19 | johnx | summatusmentis, N800 wins at storage :) |
| 15:06.44 | summatusmentis | johnx: yeah, I know, I'm waiting on the higher capacity micro-sdhc cards |
| 15:06.47 | Atarii | rm_you i only installed fanoushs kernel here: http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/#sdhc |
| 15:06.55 | johnx | |tbb|, if you have a2dp working with mplayer, then add "a2dp toggle" to personal menu or some other launcher |
| 15:06.59 | Atarii | which doesn't mention the rotate support |
| 15:07.11 | summatusmentis | w/in 5 |
| 15:07.57 | |tbb| | for me it is, because i always have to close kagu and reopen it because my receiver (anycom bt) always goes to pairing mode once it get power on |
| 15:08.51 | johnx | |tbb|, toggle it's backend between OMS and mplayer as a hack, or switch out of the app and a2dp toggle without closing |
| 15:08.52 | qwerty12 | Some one should change kagu to use a2dp instead of a2dpd. It's in python... |
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| 15:09.42 | |tbb| | no way to reenable the bluetooth icon |
| 15:09.57 | johnx | |tbb|, the way is to change the code |
| 15:10.09 | johnx | it's toggling the old a2dp system, not the new one |
| 15:10.53 | Foxx | still cant seem to find airodump-ng, but the aircrack suite is working |
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| 15:11.07 | qwerty12 | You need to be root |
| 15:11.37 | qwerty12 | goddam, the shitty speed of garage isn't even funny anymore. |
| 15:12.45 | summatusmentis | johnx: did you ever run debian on the Zaurii? |
| 15:12.58 | johnx | summatusmentis, running it right now |
| 15:13.03 | johnx | I use it as a build machine sometimes |
| 15:13.15 | summatusmentis | intriguing, does it work well enough? |
| 15:13.16 | summatusmentis | w/in 5 |
| 15:13.22 | summatusmentis | I can't type, I'm sorry |
| 15:13.52 | johnx | I don't really use it on the go, only when I *need* a full debian environment |
| 15:14.15 | freelikegnu | how is powermanagement in debian? |
| 15:14.27 | johnx | freelikegnu, on n8x0 or zaurus? |
| 15:14.34 | freelikegnu | n8x0 |
| 15:14.46 | johnx | it's improving constantly |
| 15:14.48 | freelikegnu | seems like my battery was going pretty fast |
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| 15:14.56 | freelikegnu | on beta3 |
| 15:15.13 | johnx | beta3 is old-and-busted. The stuff Stskeeps is doing now is the new hotness :D |
| 15:15.25 | freelikegnu | I'll have to try that |
| 15:15.53 | summatusmentis | w/in 2 |
| 15:15.53 | johnx | right now though it just leaves you at an xterm :) |
| 15:15.58 | summatusmentis | I quit |
| 15:16.12 | johnx | summatusmentis, I am highly curious. what causes that? |
| 15:16.34 | summatusmentis | typing? |
| 15:16.47 | johnx | the w/in 2 I mean |
| 15:17.05 | johnx | aaah, nm, console based IRC client...right |
| 15:17.09 | johnx | is slow |
| 15:17.14 | johnx | lives in a GUI world |
| 15:17.25 | summatusmentis | oh, no, that's my being crappy at typing. In irssi, tabs are numbered(for different channels), /win changes the tab to whichever number follows |
| 15:17.45 | RST38h | yawn |
| 15:18.12 | johnx | I thought it was some kind of keymap weirdness or something |
| 15:18.18 | Kegetys | I find esc + number to work better :) |
| 15:18.23 | summatusmentis | I used to use X-Chat, then I missed out on conversations |
| 15:18.46 | RST38h | runs 2 copies of ircii inside screen |
| 15:18.58 | summatusmentis | Kegetys: I love you! I used to use option+number, then my HD failed, and now option doesn't work anymore |
| 15:19.17 | qwerty12 | couldn't live with an console client tbh |
| 15:19.17 | RST38h | easier this way - no extra commands to memorize |
| 15:19.40 | ShadowJK_ | missed out on conversations? |
| 15:20.35 | Kegetys | I wouldn't mind some GUI features, but I dont know of any client that would actually allow doing what irssi running on a screen allows |
| 15:20.50 | ShadowJK_ | ah |
| 15:20.52 | summatusmentis | ShadowJK_: I would shut my laptop, and lose connection. Now I can just disconnect screen, and keep connection :) |
| 15:21.08 | summatusmentis | Kegetys: agreed |
| 15:21.18 | summatusmentis | I want X-Chat inside screen :) |
| 15:21.19 | ShadowJK_ | I think dircproxy has a feature to feed what you missed to the client when it reconnects |
| 15:21.27 | jott | summatusmentis: psybnc?! ;) |
| 15:21.28 | johnx | summatusmentis, xpra (screen for X) |
| 15:21.39 | summatusmentis | johnx: what? |
| 15:21.51 | johnx | http://partiwm.org/wiki/xpra |
| 15:21.53 | summatusmentis | sorry, jott |
| 15:21.54 | jott | or xmove ;) |
| 15:22.12 | sp3000 | soo what would be the simplest way to play a bit of audio from, say, a shell script? |
| 15:22.29 | sp3000 | could actually do with a built-in system sound fwiw |
| 15:22.32 | jott | summatusmentis: run a bouncer and connect your gui irc client to it.. |
| 15:22.38 | sp3000 | (maybe) |
| 15:22.50 | jott | is still in favour of irssi in screen |
| 15:23.01 | summatusmentis | well, I'm fine with irssi for now :) |
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| 15:23.04 | johnx | sp3000, play-sound comes to mind |
| 15:24.09 | Kegetys | I have the same irssi session open in all my computers + N810, so I can just switch from one to other without any hassles |
| 15:24.25 | summatusmentis | Kegetys: that's mostly what I do |
| 15:24.29 | jott | yeah |
| 15:24.48 | jott | i guess there are few people using irssi without screen ;) |
| 15:24.51 | rm_you | sp3000: mplayer ? >_> |
| 15:25.16 | sp3000 | johnx: thanks, that oughta work |
| 15:25.19 | Kegetys | although it would be nice if they could have different size terminals, but that would be too much hassle to set up and use |
| 15:25.20 | |tbb| | johnx: did u have done the a2dp enable script |
| 15:25.30 | johnx | |tbb|, yes |
| 15:25.56 | summatusmentis | Kegetys: what do you mean? |
| 15:26.01 | |tbb| | why do you choose a modal dialog to show the info a2dp enabled msg |
| 15:26.18 | |tbb| | instead of a systeminfo |
| 15:26.39 | johnx | |tbb|, because I found an easy piece of code to use dbus-send to bring it up |
| 15:26.45 | Kegetys | summatusmentis: I mean I could have, say 100x28 terminal on n810 and something else on desktop system at the same time with irssi having proper size on both |
| 15:26.48 | |tbb| | ah k |
| 15:27.09 | johnx | |tbb|, is there an easy way to show a system-info from an sh script? |
| 15:27.09 | summatusmentis | wait, you're connected to the same screen at the same screen? is that possible? |
| 15:27.16 | Kegetys | sure |
| 15:27.19 | summatusmentis | I've just been disconnecting them |
| 15:27.19 | |tbb| | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:27.19 | |tbb| | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:27.20 | Kegetys | screen -x name |
| 15:27.29 | glass | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:27.41 | summatusmentis | that's even cooler! |
| 15:27.44 | summatusmentis | I love screen |
| 15:27.45 | johnx | |tbb|, thanks. that'll go in the next version. |
| 15:27.50 | |tbb| | ;) |
| 15:29.17 | qwerty12 | waits for me package to show up in extras-devel :) |
| 15:29.53 | summatusmentis | qwerty12: what package? |
| 15:30.39 | qwerty12 | Well, not my program per-se, but I uploaded rootsh to diablo extras-devel. I'd have liked to have put easyroot in there but I'm not sure on the status of that one :/ |
| 15:30.49 | summatusmentis | or, alternatively, keep it in your pants, noone wants to see that |
| 15:30.55 | qwerty12 | :P |
| 15:31.00 | summatusmentis | oh, I see |
| 15:31.05 | pupnik | summatusmentis: ctl-n and ctl-p are nice and fast ways to switch to next/prev |
| 15:31.31 | summatusmentis | pupnik: I knew about that, but thanks :) |
| 15:32.07 | Kegetys | on my desktop I have insert and delete bound as next/previous window, and function keys to switch directly to windows 1-12, but of course those keys are missing from n810 :P |
| 15:34.20 | summatusmentis | I tried to get PgUp and PgDn working on my macbook but it wasn't happy, so esc+{p,n} works well enough |
| 15:35.17 | |tbb| | how to easy add pipe and tabulator to the hardware keyboard on n810 |
| 15:35.26 | Kegetys | I wish I could have the nokia 9300 keyboard in n810 |
| 15:35.51 | Kegetys | I did that with xmodmap, å key is tab and Å key is pipe, I dont ever need those |
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| 15:37.52 | Gracana | ctrl-a,space and ctrl-a,backspace are quick ways to switch next/prev in screen as well |
| 15:38.04 | Gracana | <3 screen as well |
| 15:38.31 | Gracana | notices that he used the phrase "as well" twice in a row |
| 15:38.58 | Kegetys | I noticed that as well |
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| 15:39.24 | daverw | Just upgraded my n800 to diablo. It was easy. notecase now installs and runs fine. Thanks for the help. |
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| 15:39.48 | johnx | glad to hear it daverw |
| 15:40.43 | Gracana | haha Kegetys :P |
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| 15:45.38 | Tu13es | are there any good alarm clock apps? |
| 15:45.54 | Tu13es | i looked maybe 8 months ago and there wasn't much |
| 15:47.57 | summatusmentis | uses his phone for an alarm clock |
| 15:48.11 | johnx | I use the builtin alarm function sometimes |
| 15:48.12 | melmoth | what's wrong with the built in alarm app ? |
| 15:48.28 | Tu13es | it's fine, but I want a clock too |
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| 15:48.39 | Tu13es | I'd like something that'd act as a great nightstand clock |
| 15:48.48 | johnx | mclock |
| 15:49.12 | summatusmentis | Could just buy a nightstand clock :) |
| 15:49.38 | johnx | mclock: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/mclock/ |
| 15:50.02 | Tu13es | yeah, but nothing good will play mp3s or there's always some option i'd like that they won't do |
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| 15:50.12 | Tu13es | I figure the tablets would be perfect |
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| 15:50.20 | Tu13es | plus my n770 is just sitting in a drawer |
| 15:51.00 | jott | Tu13es: just write your own clock application :) |
| 15:51.09 | jott | it will have all the features you implement ;p |
| 15:51.12 | Tu13es | it'd be way toom uch time and hassle |
| 15:51.14 | Tu13es | I'm not a coder |
| 15:51.18 | Kegetys | hmm I could set up my 9300 as alarm clock as I dont need it anymore, could irc with it easily at night time too |
| 15:52.44 | jott | imagines a clock app where you have to hold the fullscreen button and use zoom in and out to set the alarm ;) |
| 15:53.17 | jott | in minutes increments only :p |
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| 15:53.40 | johnx | nah, you press zoom - for hours and zoom + for minutes and if you miss you have to go around again |
| 15:53.58 | johnx | seriously analog clocks have a better interface than a lot of digital clocks... |
| 15:54.14 | johnx | one step forward, two steps back |
| 15:54.38 | Kegetys | in the tablet clock you could have speech recognition in it or something |
| 15:54.40 | jott | hehe yeah or this way.. |
| 15:54.55 | Kegetys | could detect if you're still snoring and ring louder |
| 15:55.02 | jott | and now we have tablets and still no good clocks :) |
| 15:55.29 | jott | actually likes his weatherclock on his familiar linux ipaq ;) |
| 15:55.46 | Kegetys | at least you could say you have 400MHz processor and 128MB of ram on your alarm clock (or whatever specs your specific device has) |
| 15:56.17 | jott | yeah my table clock has 266mhz and wifi ;) |
| 16:00.00 | pH5 | my usb soundcard has a 285dpi vga screen. |
| 16:01.21 | jott | ;> |
| 16:01.58 | jott | you use a freerunner as soundcard? ;) |
| 16:02.16 | pH5 | no, that would be wasteful |
| 16:02.18 | pH5 | it's a neo1973 |
| 16:02.21 | jott | ah |
| 16:02.28 | jott | heh still |
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| 16:04.30 | Knowledge | Man, this is starting to get confusing... |
| 16:20.21 | |tbb| | if you do an backup, will it contains the scripts which you store under /usr/bin anywhere? |
| 16:20.42 | qwerty12 | No, /usr/bin isn't backed up afaik |
| 16:22.23 | |tbb| | ./usr/sbin also not |
| 16:22.53 | qwerty12 | If you have time, you can write a backup config file that will backup /usr/bin |
| 16:23.15 | qwerty12 | (but I wouldn't recommend it) |
| 16:23.29 | |tbb| | i just realized i had forgoten to save a core script |
| 16:23.33 | |tbb| | to bad |
| 16:23.47 | Knowledge | if I'm cloning to mmc (07HE on a 770)...all I would have to do is create a swap partition and the system would recognize it? |
| 16:24.18 | Kegetys | http://junk.kegetys.net/nightclock.jpg done :> |
| 16:26.48 | pupnik | nice Kegetys |
| 16:27.17 | lcuk | dont try the alarm thing with an unplugged 8x0 though - random mornings you wouldnt wake up. hang on, is that a bad thing |
| 16:27.26 | pupnik | lol |
| 16:27.37 | rm_you | it is if you need to get to work :P |
| 16:28.05 | ShadowJK_ | Does the N8x0 alert you when the battery is running low? I've never tried :) |
| 16:28.06 | rm_you | but if you're me, then not really, cause the only purpose my alarm serves during the summer is to let me turn it off and feel good about myself as i fall back asleep :P |
| 16:28.09 | lcuk | "sorry boss, my touchscreen internet connected linux clock died unexpectedly" |
| 16:28.39 | Kegetys | "sorry, someone hacked into my night clock wlan and turned it off" |
| 16:29.21 | lcuk | ShadowJK_, in my experience it just dies sometime between going to sleep and waking up. a peaceful end really |
| 16:29.32 | lcuk | lol Kegetys |
| 16:29.57 | ShadowJK_ | so it just dies? It doesn't try to do anything clever like shutdown gracefully whne battery is nearing empty? |
| 16:30.44 | lcuk | how should i know, im always asleep when it happens :P its like it waits |
| 16:31.16 | lcuk | ive had it die maybe once or twice in my hand in its entire life and then its just gone |
| 16:31.22 | Kegetys | it would be nice if it would go into hibernation, write memory contents to memory card and then restore when power is back |
| 16:32.00 | lcuk | if it could hibernate i would use it - but that feature has been ignored and i dont think you can ever totally shut it off |
| 16:32.11 | lcuk | hibernation would allow battery switching |
| 16:32.52 | lcuk | Kegetys, i like your alarm by the way, is it just a mockup or proper app |
| 16:34.03 | lcuk | Kegetys, :O omg @ the mobile gaming picture |
| 16:34.31 | Kegetys | its a proper app, commercial though and not that good it seems |
| 16:34.50 | Kegetys | I'd write my own if that thing would support python or something else usable |
| 16:34.59 | qwerty12 | Is it an Psiloc proggie (used to use quite a few of them on N-gage) |
| 16:35.34 | Kegetys | no, something else, dont remember anymore what |
| 16:35.48 | qwerty12 | ah |
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| 16:45.29 | pupnik | i seem to recall a low battery warning sound |
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| 17:02.07 | Knowledge | anyone know why the tutorials for booting from MMC with a 770 don't include swap directions? |
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| 17:02.46 | Knowledge | wait....let me recode that into english...what I meant to say is there aren't steps for creating a swap partition.... |
| 17:02.58 | |tbb| | why they changed the key under /osso/connectivity/IAP from name like mywlanathome to 21def4................. |
| 17:03.05 | johnx | I don't think OS2006 had a GUI-based way to add swap, so I guess people didn't really think about it |
| 17:03.26 | Knowledge | 07HE |
| 17:03.36 | qwerty12 | |tbb|, new icd (the new one is stupid :() |
| 17:04.30 | johnx | Knowledge, I know that swap can cause problems on the N8x0 with cards that don't behave perfectly. Maybe it's as much or more of a problem on the 770... |
| 17:04.38 | |tbb| | what exactly more is stupid |
| 17:04.42 | Knowledge | I see. |
| 17:04.56 | johnx | the key word is maybe |
| 17:05.08 | johnx | I don't have a 770, so I'm just guessing |
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| 17:12.59 | Knowledge | ahh screw it, I'm just going to follow the directions as written...I forgot how I had it setup before.... |
| 17:13.30 | johnx | it's just as easy to swap to a file anyways |
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| 17:14.26 | Knowledge | johnx: would I be able to make a bigger swap than 64mb? or is that enough you think? |
| 17:14.44 | johnx | you could make it whatever size you want |
| 17:15.01 | johnx | and you could change it or delete it later without repartitioning |
| 17:15.36 | Knowledge | true |
| 17:16.57 | |tbb| | is it possible to get this name in human readable one /system/osso/connectivity/IAP/8d5d2453-4046-4d24-8250-b9c4620ede6e |
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| 17:19.38 | lcuk | |tbb|, yes, but it still doesnt mean too much |
| 17:19.49 | lcuk | if its hex anyway |
| 17:20.25 | lcuk | its a GUID isnt it |
| 17:21.25 | |tbb| | i had an dbus-command which let me easily connect to an ap using its name now the name had changed to this stupid guid |
| 17:21.49 | lcuk | is there a branch within the folder itself specifying the name |
| 17:22.00 | |tbb| | yes it is |
| 17:22.08 | lcuk | or an index file mapping names to guids |
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| 17:22.22 | lcuk | ahhh right, just change your program to use the identified name? |
| 17:23.00 | lcuk | back later |
| 17:27.02 | johnx | Stskeeps, still awake? |
| 17:28.22 | rm_you | Atarii: still awake? |
| 17:28.48 | summatusmentis | summatusmentis: still awake? |
| 17:30.09 | johnx | rm_you, did you just finish a patch too? |
| 17:36.12 | rm_you | yep |
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| 17:36.36 | rm_you | btw, GINT_TO_POINTER is evil >_> |
| 17:36.37 | johnx | debugs the new nit-debian installer so he can use it |
| 17:36.53 | rm_you | it fails in some random manner if the GINT in question happens to be 0 |
| 17:37.01 | rm_you | >_> |
| 17:37.08 | johnx | awesome |
| 17:37.27 | johnx | WhyTF would it do that? |
| 17:38.29 | rm_you | for fun, so i would suffer |
| 17:38.58 | rm_you | so, since 0 is the boundary case, for now I just add 1 before i sent it through GINT_TO_POINTER |
| 17:39.10 | rm_you | and then subtract one after POINTER_TO_GINT on the other side |
| 17:39.18 | johnx | uhm |
| 17:39.19 | johnx | wow |
| 17:39.20 | rm_you | jott has promised to fix it for real later :P |
| 17:39.27 | johnx | that's .. pretty special |
| 17:40.08 | rm_you | isn't it just. |
| 17:40.34 | rm_you | If I weren't laughing hysterically right now, i would probably be very agitated |
| 17:40.49 | rm_you | but i'm very tired, and the concept of +/- 1 amuses me greatly |
| 17:41.09 | rm_you | and i think i shall sleep soon... want to wake up in a few hours and hit up Ouajimaya :P |
| 17:41.17 | rm_you | wow i dont think i spelled that right |
| 17:41.34 | johnx | Uwajimaiya maybe? |
| 17:41.46 | rm_you | ooo and see if maybe i can find somewhere in the i-district that will sell me a decent bowl of ramen >_< |
| 17:41.51 | rm_you | yeah :P that |
| 17:42.07 | johnx | or ãããã¾ããï¼ |
| 17:42.14 | rm_you | >_> |
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| 17:44.00 | johnx | Stskeeps, I think there's no bme-dbus-proxy in diablo... |
| 17:45.11 | johnx | yeah, it's gone: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/changes/23-14_vs_50-2_comparison.html |
| 17:45.36 | johnx | and replaced with hald-addon-bme it appears |
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| 17:53.33 | rm_you | *Sniffle* .... http://www.rocketworld.org/jangara_ramen.htm |
| 17:55.42 | johnx | I'll pass on the egg O_o |
| 18:00.01 | Stskeeps | johnx: well that's just as good |
| 18:00.14 | Stskeeps | johnx: could you dpkg -L it for me? |
| 18:00.23 | johnx | sure, one sec |
| 18:00.38 | Stskeeps | it actually belongs better in hald really |
| 18:00.59 | johnx | I think that brings it closer to "normal linux" , correct? |
| 18:01.11 | johnx | http://pastebin.com/m187e87a6 |
| 18:01.18 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 18:01.52 | Stskeeps | seems like it could prolly just be repacked without issue |
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| 18:02.14 | johnx | yeah, I'll make a fillin recipe for it |
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| 18:02.16 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 18:02.40 | johnx | I have some patches to debian_installer.py |
| 18:03.02 | Stskeeps | k - like? |
| 18:03.06 | Stskeeps | usr/share/doc/hald-addon-bme prolly doesn't exist btw |
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| 18:03.11 | Stskeeps | (tendancy in nokia packages) |
| 18:03.18 | johnx | yeah, docpurge |
| 18:04.47 | johnx | patch: recovers from a failed install better (unmounts $chroot/sys $chroot/proc $chroot/dev/pts before starting), handles the case where there's already an ext2 fs on the card you're reformatting, removes the .svn dirs from the fillin package directories so they don't complain "can't overwrite /.svn in other-package-foo" |
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| 18:05.19 | Stskeeps | ahh, i forgot that in svn checkout - it should be svn export not checkout |
| 18:05.29 | johnx | aaah |
| 18:05.29 | Stskeeps | (no .svn directories) |
| 18:05.42 | johnx | I was liking the svn up though :P |
| 18:05.43 | Stskeeps | and sounds good - just commit |
| 18:06.05 | Stskeeps | yeah, - well, for that i just do the non-SVN ("i've checked out trunk") |
| 18:06.13 | Stskeeps | and it does refresh-base and removes .svn's |
| 18:06.22 | johnx | ah, it already does? |
| 18:06.32 | johnx | then I should pull that line from my patch |
| 18:06.42 | Stskeeps | but the svn checkout into target should be svn export |
| 18:08.47 | johnx | so you think the hald-addon-bme will work automagically if it's repacked? |
| 18:09.11 | Stskeeps | think so |
| 18:09.18 | Stskeeps | else just copy it in and restart hald |
| 18:09.23 | Stskeeps | if it appears in ps aux, it works |
| 18:09.23 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:09.48 | johnx | also, it's description tells me that it "Also provides compatibility with previously used bme-dbus-proxy by |
| 18:09.48 | johnx | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:09.48 | johnx | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:10.03 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 18:10.18 | Stskeeps | that's fine |
| 18:10.31 | Stskeeps | i wonder if it provides HAL battery capacity |
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| 18:10.56 | Stskeeps | then we wouldn't need hald-addon-retu-adc |
| 18:11.05 | Stskeeps | what does lshal | grep battery say on diablo? |
| 18:11.27 | johnx | lots of good things :D |
| 18:11.42 | Stskeeps | pastebin? |
| 18:11.57 | johnx | nah nothing about pastebin...aaah, I see :P |
| 18:12.15 | qwerty12_N800 | http://pastebin.com/m1d874df8 |
| 18:12.38 | johnx | http://pastebin.com/m293ca2bd |
| 18:12.39 | GeneralAntilles | Awesome. http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-users/2008-July/021883.html |
| 18:12.42 | Stskeeps | that's fantastic :) |
| 18:13.05 | Stskeeps | (-> qwerty12_N800, johnx) |
| 18:13.37 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: happy users? :P |
| 18:13.38 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, that's fantastic :) |
| 18:14.17 | qwerty12_N800 | is laughing at itt spam atm |
| 18:14.23 | Stskeeps | brb walking friend to bus |
| 18:14.35 | johnx | k |
| 18:15.02 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, I think the answer to that mail is simple: "No one can help you." |
| 18:15.10 | summatusmentis | do people not know how to like... write? |
| 18:15.55 | johnx | I think running that through text-to-speech might be illuminating |
| 18:15.58 | GeneralAntilles | . . . https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3445 Anybody able to reproduce? |
| 18:16.49 | GeneralAntilles | bjeezus http://www.internettablettalk.com/ |
| 18:17.32 | johnx | actually, triple-click select seems to be better in diablo (or at least not worse) |
| 18:17.33 | GeneralAntilles | 2 pages of that. |
| 18:17.55 | johnx | and your friend from the mailing list right in the middle |
| 18:17.59 | johnx | this gets a screenshot |
| 18:18.18 | qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles, Btw, i'm working to get an easyroot clone in extras. |
| 18:18.26 | GeneralAntilles | Awesome, qwerty12_N800. |
| 18:18.52 | johnx | attempts to fit the google ad for asparagus tablets in the screenie as well |
| 18:19.21 | Raytray | Dang.. I wonder how he got thus far writing like that. @ mail list |
| 18:19.36 | summatusmentis | w00t lesbians on ITT! |
| 18:19.36 | GeneralAntilles | Raytray, -users is a hellhole. |
| 18:19.38 | qwerty12_N800 | So far, i've uploaded rootsh. works but doesn't dork with scripts that use sudo gainroot; so i'm making a new version tommorrow. |
| 18:19.50 | qwerty12_N800 | s/dork/work/ |
| 18:19.54 | qwerty12_N800 | lol |
| 18:19.55 | johnx | I'm telling you...ever since they started letting just anyone onto the internet it hasn't been the same... |
| 18:22.22 | GeneralAntilles | God, that email is ridiculous. |
| 18:22.41 | GeneralAntilles | How do you get to the point in your life where you can't even manage to put 4 coherent sentences together? |
| 18:23.21 | johnx | From the capitalization it's like he had periods in there and took them out or something |
| 18:23.27 | johnx | it's pretty awesome though |
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| 18:24.38 | qwerty12_N800 | holy crap, that mail is in some big a** font... |
| 18:25.41 | johnx | qwerty12_N800, that's why you never accept HTML mail unless you have a choice |
| 18:25.57 | johnx | s/a choice/no choice/ |
| 18:26.24 | Atarii | rm_you ping |
| 18:26.31 | qwerty12_N800 | yeah, but html (usually) looks so pretty |
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| 18:27.08 | qwerty12_N800 | "I want is a bible that I can look up a verses and use it at church can you help me" - i can pray but it may be too late for help. |
| 18:27.22 | johnx | "No one can help you." |
| 18:27.48 | GeneralAntilles | "I love to work with picters" |
| 18:28.00 | johnx | "this is grate" |
| 18:28.13 | johnx | http://www.eriding.net/media/photos/art/textures/040521_cbrown_mp_art_tex_road_grate.jpg |
| 18:28.14 | summatusmentis | I wanna know what kind of church it's considered acceptable to pull out a piece of technology in |
| 18:28.56 | GeneralAntilles | The N800 does have lots of little holes on the front |
| 18:29.04 | GeneralAntilles | I'm not sure what's on about with the N810, though. . . . |
| 18:29.06 | johnx | actually, that would make a pretty good t-shirt I think :D "This is grate!" <picture of drain> |
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| 18:30.16 | johnx | when something like this shows up I do kinda wonder if it's someone else just trolling for responses (or trying to get someone else's email addy spammed/flamed) |
| 18:31.04 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, I really hope so. |
| 18:31.26 | GeneralAntilles | But, sadly, I doubt it. |
| 18:31.45 | summatusmentis | someone needs to integrate the agps into maemo-mapper |
| 18:32.28 | summatusmentis | and then kick the gps chip in the pants, and make it work |
| 18:32.35 | GeneralAntilles | When are we going to get the freaking guided Bugzilla submission form. . . . |
| 18:32.43 | GeneralAntilles | "SOFTWARE VERSION: 4.2008.23-14 |
| 18:32.44 | GeneralAntilles | (Control Panel > General > About product)" |
| 18:32.48 | GeneralAntilles | Stuff like that is just ridiculous. |
| 18:35.37 | GeneralAntilles | Interesting http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%22jeff+treague%22&btnG=Search |
| 18:36.27 | lcuk_tea | thats just a minor error for someone who hasnt done that before, why berate him? |
| 18:37.01 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk_tea, he has filed bugs before. |
| 18:37.12 | GeneralAntilles | and because I'm tired of his bitching and moaning on itT. |
| 18:37.20 | summatusmentis | how was tea lcuk_tea ? |
| 18:37.37 | lcuk_tea | :D was lovely |
| 18:37.42 | lcuk | ty |
| 18:38.22 | summatusmentis | I'm glad, so is there always tea? or is it just a light meal? |
| 18:38.28 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, it was just a bug report though |
| 18:39.03 | lcuk | it was bolognaise n chips n lemon cheese cake :D |
| 18:39.37 | lcuk | washed down with the season finale of dr who |
| 18:39.50 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, and the bug report is WORKSFORME |
| 18:39.56 | summatusmentis | :) awesome |
| 18:40.33 | summatusmentis | bolognaise? what is that? |
| 18:40.45 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, he probably doesn't realize the triple-tap trick, given that he didn't mention it |
| 18:40.54 | GeneralAntilles | Triple? |
| 18:41.03 | GeneralAntilles | It's tap, tap-drag here. |
| 18:41.10 | johnx | err...is it? |
| 18:41.16 | Stskeeps | johnx: any way to distinguish properly between diablo and chinook, script-wise? |
| 18:41.18 | johnx | nope |
| 18:41.28 | GeneralAntilles | Works just fine. |
| 18:41.29 | johnx | Stskeeps, that was at GeneralAntilles |
| 18:42.01 | Stskeeps | k |
| 18:42.08 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, maybe we're talking about the same thing: tap, tap, tap-and-drag here |
| 18:42.15 | johnx | Stskeeps, let me check, I have some ideas |
| 18:42.16 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, quickly: tap once, tap twice and drag |
| 18:42.16 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, could it depend on how busy the system is and if lots of processes running its just not responding as well as on your system? |
| 18:42.28 | GeneralAntilles | It's not tap, tap, tap-drag |
| 18:42.32 | lcuk | like how scrolling didnt/doesnt work when its busy |
| 18:42.33 | GeneralAntilles | It's just tap, tap-drag |
| 18:43.31 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, heh...his bug is valid if it's supposed to work that way then. if I don't here three "screen-tap" noises out of my N800 drag-select doesn't work |
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| 18:43.40 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, works fine with mplayer streaming a video in the background. |
| 18:43.54 | jott | Stskeeps: /etc/osso_software_version ? |
| 18:44.44 | lcuk | thats just one single usage case, thats not all the time, he might have a valid and real problem |
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| 18:45.08 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, I doubt it. |
| 18:45.20 | lcuk | mplayer also forces the cpu into performance mode when playing most movies |
| 18:45.25 | lcuk | ie better response to things |
| 18:45.50 | Stskeeps | jott: hehe, figured there'd be something like that :) |
| 18:45.51 | johnx | jott, maybe I'm being dumb, but I don't see /etc/osso_software_version in diablo |
| 18:46.03 | johnx | I guess it's existence would be a good test though if it's in chinook |
| 18:47.04 | jott | johnx: you removed osso-software-version-rx44* ? ;) |
| 18:47.07 | jott | it's in there |
| 18:47.22 | johnx | jott, aaah...probably |
| 18:47.35 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, nm, I got it to work, but the timing is touchy as hell |
| 18:47.47 | RST38h | moo, all |
| 18:47.58 | johnx | m00 |
| 18:48.21 | lcuk | 00W |
| 18:48.34 | johnx | someone tipped lcuk's cow! |
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| 18:48.43 | lcuk | :D |
| 18:50.09 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, dunno, it works consistently for me. |
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| 18:50.33 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, another gem: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21854 |
| 18:50.33 | johnx | try lifting all the way instead of keeping some pressure on the screen between taps |
| 18:50.47 | GeneralAntilles | Er, that's how I do it. |
| 18:50.49 | GeneralAntilles | Works fine. |
| 18:50.49 | johnx | yeah, that's older though |
| 18:51.03 | johnx | shrugs |
| 18:51.27 | GeneralAntilles | I think the placement is particular, not the timing. |
| 18:51.36 | GeneralAntilles | It's gotta be on the text |
| 18:51.53 | johnx | it's a short timeout though |
| 18:52.09 | johnx | that distinguishes between double-tap and two single-taps |
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| 18:52.35 | GeneralAntilles | A little, but no worse than a double-click. |
| 18:53.05 | RST38h | is marking all mail from joost as spam from now on |
| 18:53.21 | johnx | it's different with a mouse, but what I'm saying is it's not inconceivable that people might genuinely think they have a problem |
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| 18:54.24 | GeneralAntilles | Either way, the bug report's still, in all probability, INVALID. :P |
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| 18:55.14 | johnx | agreed |
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| 19:01.33 | Stskeeps | johnx: i guess bme-dbus-proxy would still be a fitting name no matter if it's bme-dbus-proxy or the hald-addon |
| 19:01.48 | johnx | errr...I guess |
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| 19:02.37 | johnx | that could get a little confusing though |
| 19:02.39 | Stskeeps | yeah, true |
| 19:03.02 | johnx | based on the way things are now it would be hard to do it differently though |
| 19:03.14 | Stskeeps | we'd need logic for diablo fillin packages and chinook fillin else |
| 19:03.43 | johnx | and the simple script becomes more complicated... |
| 19:04.19 | Stskeeps | yep |
| 19:04.46 | RST38h | what are you discussing anyway? (sorry) |
| 19:04.52 | johnx | RST38h, nit-debian |
| 19:04.59 | johnx | no apology needed |
| 19:05.02 | johnx | :D |
| 19:05.51 | RST38h | ah |
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| 19:15.15 | Stskeeps | johnx: i guess logic in installer for diablo-only vs chinook-only packages would be the cleanest way.. and having a list of those in config.py |
| 19:15.26 | Stskeeps | there's only two entry points for base packages anyway |
| 19:15.39 | johnx | I was thinking different sub-dirs, but I've always been a shell scripter |
| 19:16.13 | Stskeeps | different sub-dirs as in? |
| 19:16.39 | johnx | nit-base-packages/diablo/diablo-specific-package-foo |
| 19:17.24 | johnx | it's the same difference no matter how you organize it, whether in a config file or on the filesystem |
| 19:20.47 | Stskeeps | mm, i really should refactor the package installation a bit |
| 19:21.26 | Stskeeps | some of the logic belongs better in a DEBIAN/nit-fetch-depends or something |
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| 19:22.17 | johnx | this is getting close to apt levels of functionality... |
| 19:22.39 | Stskeeps | i did consider porting debian-installer (official one) for a couple of seconds ;) |
| 19:23.33 | johnx | some type of middle ground might be ok, like generating a local apt repository |
| 19:23.47 | Stskeeps | yeah, was just thinking the same |
| 19:24.19 | koos | Is there a problem with the chinook repo? A package from me got promoted yesterday, is in extras with time 12.07.2008 23:20 but the Contents-armel.gz stays on 11.07.2008 16:56 |
| 19:27.05 | Stskeeps | .. and ofcourse apt-utils in maemo doesn't have apt-ftparchive |
| 19:28.17 | Stskeeps | johnx: could i get you to commit the fixes you did? i'll do some refactoring to make things a little more flexible then |
| 19:28.48 | johnx | can I just send you the patch this time? |
| 19:29.16 | Stskeeps | yep |
| 19:29.21 | johnx | alright |
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| 20:00.47 | rm_you | can i go on strike until garage takes less than 45 seconds to load a page? >_> |
| 20:01.11 | GAN800 | crosses fingers for August. |
| 20:01.54 | rm_you | GAN800: as soon as I can get to garage to upload the files to autobuilder, and then it goes thru that, and then is moved to -devel, i will have another version for you to try on 770 |
| 20:01.57 | rm_you | ... |
| 20:02.03 | rm_you | so, i'll talk to you next week :P |
| 20:02.16 | GAN800 | Optimist. |
| 20:02.58 | rm_you | wow, w3m literally timed out after receiving a few bytes of the page in 2 minutes |
| 20:03.24 | Atarii | new version on its way? |
| 20:03.32 | rm_you | yes |
| 20:03.38 | rm_you | will possibly not crash maybe hopefully :P |
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| 20:03.48 | Atarii | lol |
| 20:04.05 | rm_you | oh i forgot to do the other part of the fix.... |
| 20:04.06 | rm_you | sec |
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| 20:26.04 | boon | hey? |
| 20:26.17 | boon | how's it going? |
| 20:27.18 | Raytray | Hello |
| 20:27.20 | boon | I'm having a problem with Maemo Mapper |
| 20:27.46 | boon | how can I reset it so it picks up the GPS on the 810 |
| 20:27.53 | RST38bis | boon: we are all gonna die! |
| 20:28.07 | GAN800 | Bluetooth, no MAC |
| 20:28.10 | RST38bis | now to your question... |
| 20:28.17 | boon | right now it's just searching and searching |
| 20:28.52 | RST38bis | what ga said - bluetooth gps with no device name (not mac) |
| 20:29.08 | RST38bis | do you see gps status icon? |
| 20:30.03 | boon | it pops in and out |
| 20:31.36 | RST38bis | no, do you see little satellite icon at the upper screen edge? |
| 20:31.59 | boon | no, I do not |
| 20:32.48 | RST38bis | what do you have in maemo mapper gps settings? |
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| 20:33.31 | boon | File Path /dev/pgps |
| 20:34.21 | RST38bis | remove file path |
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| 20:34.34 | RST38bis | clear it |
| 20:34.44 | RST38bis | and try again |
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| 20:35.32 | boon | it then ask's me to specifify a GPS file pathname |
| 20:36.04 | GeneralAntilles | This is a fairly awesome setting for finger usage: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Layout.scrollbar.side |
| 20:36.15 | RST38bis | a moment |
| 20:37.08 | boon | k |
| 20:37.35 | boon | hey General |
| 20:37.44 | RST38bis | boon: go to settings->gps and select bluetooth |
| 20:38.06 | boon | why bluetooth? |
| 20:38.09 | RST38bis | there is an argument field - keep it clear |
| 20:38.20 | boon | I don't have an external GPS |
| 20:38.27 | RST38bis | just do it |
| 20:38.41 | boon | okay :p |
| 20:39.28 | boon | ah, there we go :) |
| 20:39.36 | boon | thanks a lot! |
| 20:39.46 | RST38bis | ga: tired of right sided scrollbar in microb? |
| 20:40.19 | boon | are there any cheap but decent external gps transponders? |
| 20:40.37 | RST38bis | boon: you shall now return to contemplating the oncoming end of the world. |
| 20:41.12 | GeneralAntilles | RST38bis, it's way too tight against the side of the screen, hard to hit with a finger. |
| 20:41.21 | GeneralAntilles | Gotta wedge your thumb in there really tight. |
| 20:41.26 | boon | :'( |
| 20:42.05 | boon | General, I get by using the edge of my nail |
| 20:42.08 | boon | works fine |
| 20:42.15 | RST38bis | ga: there is a setting to make it thicker |
| 20:42.39 | RST38bis | boon: scratches screen like crazy |
| 20:42.59 | boon | naa, no scratches |
| 20:43.02 | GeneralAntilles | boon, yeah, I have, too, for the last 2 years. ;) |
| 20:43.06 | lcuk | mixing soft dirty fingers and hard nail edges leaves you scratchign the grit |
| 20:43.12 | GeneralAntilles | RST38bis, the wide scrollbar is _too_ wide |
| 20:43.18 | GeneralAntilles | and renders broken. |
| 20:43.27 | boon | this screen is very resistant |
| 20:43.31 | RST38bis | true |
| 20:44.01 | boon | well I don't have dirty fingers |
| 20:44.05 | RST38bis | boon: there is always a refutation for such statements |
| 20:44.07 | boon | nor messed up nails |
| 20:44.31 | boon | works well for me |
| 20:44.45 | boon | rst, yea I know |
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| 20:45.48 | GeneralAntilles | can't remember how to make snav die. |
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| 20:50.50 | timely | GeneralAntilles: didn't i make a package for that? |
| 20:51.08 | timely | http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/microb-pageupdown-0.1.deb |
| 20:51.21 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, it didn't seem to do anything to snav, though. |
| 20:51.26 | GeneralAntilles | I probably had the browser open or something |
| 20:51.28 | GeneralAntilles | It's fixed now. |
| 20:52.42 | RST38bis | ga <- serial xchat window-mangler |
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| 20:55.31 | GeneralAntilles | andre___, that is seriously the most awesome email ever, isn't it? :P |
| 20:56.37 | andre___ | GeneralAntilles, no :-) |
| 20:56.45 | andre___ | that happens all the time, e.g. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=542607#c2 two days ago |
| 20:58.48 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 20:59.31 | andre___ | though that was today, not two days ago. totally lost in time and space because of travelling... |
| 21:00.19 | burnte | that'll teach you to steal a tardis |
| 21:01.21 | GeneralAntilles | Oh, andre___, I've got an incredibly useful thread that you need to read. ;) http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21794 |
| 21:02.07 | andre___ | ah, thanks a ton |
| 21:02.23 | andre___ | wanted to grab through last days' ITT threads tomorrow morning :) |
| 21:02.42 | GeneralAntilles | Don't bother. |
| 21:02.46 | GeneralAntilles | nothing worthwhile. |
| 21:03.22 | andre___ | hey, i like arguing :-D |
| 21:03.43 | andre___ | but not tonight, got a flu and need sleep :) see you! |
| 21:04.08 | GeneralAntilles | 'night |
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| 21:10.05 | sbaturzio | Aloha! |
| 21:11.11 | summatusmentis | hi |
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| 21:27.51 | RST38bis | any good sketch apps for maemo? (not maemopad+) |
| 21:28.05 | GeneralAntilles | liqbase? :P |
| 21:28.13 | qwerty12_N800 | ^ |
| 21:28.30 | GeneralAntilles | or Xournal |
| 21:29.19 | lcuk | seconds GeneralAntilles's suggestion |
| 21:29.24 | RST38bis | xournal it is then. |
| 21:30.11 | jott | ~lart garage for its slowness |
| 21:30.11 | infobot | whips out a shotgun, trudges over to garage, and goes postal for its slowness |
| 21:30.28 | lcuk | cries at a lost sale |
| 21:30.36 | jott | call for translators: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/*checkout*/trunk/adv-backlight/po/advanced-backlight.pot?root=adv-backlight&rev=91 |
| 21:30.54 | jott | adv-backlight is i18n now :) |
| 21:31.04 | qwerty12_N800 | nice |
| 21:31.07 | summatusmentis | lcuk: lost sale? |
| 21:31.29 | lcuk | yer, i lost £0.00 cos RST38bis went with xournal :P |
| 21:31.52 | GeneralAntilles | RST38bis, have you tried liqbase yet? |
| 21:31.55 | summatusmentis | heh, oh |
| 21:32.10 | jott | german translation is done, but suggestions for improvement are welcome. |
| 21:32.19 | lcuk | nahhh GeneralAntilles the sketch app wont be ready till the summit, but as a pencil thing its quicker than anything |
| 21:32.34 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe, lcuk, how's the debianization going ? |
| 21:32.48 | pupnik | RST38bis: mypaint, no contest: http://www.internettablettalk.com/2008/04/04/transformative-apps-for-the-internet-tablet/ |
| 21:33.10 | RST38bis | lcuk: actually you are getting 0.00 as i am getting liqbase src;) |
| 21:33.18 | lcuk | its great qwerty12_N800 :D not i have maybe 3/25 goals achieved :P |
| 21:33.31 | lcuk | cool rst :) |
| 21:33.35 | RST38bis | ga: yep. but it is more of a demo |
| 21:33.43 | jott | lcuk will be rich by tomorrow if he gets 0.00$ from everyone |
| 21:33.50 | lcuk | w00t |
| 21:34.19 | lcuk | RST38bis, you are right, its just a demo for now - however every sketch stored will be used later |
| 21:34.24 | RST38bis | pupnik: can't stand mypaint - it is not hildonized at all :( |
| 21:34.37 | GeneralAntilles | mypaint is pretty awesome |
| 21:34.42 | lcuk | ive been porting something quite cool |
| 21:35.18 | RST38bis | mypaint would be nice if it had decent ui... |
| 21:35.23 | qwerty12_N800 | would <3 for openut |
| 21:35.25 | pupnik | like what? |
| 21:35.46 | RST38bis | lcuk: wine?=] |
| 21:35.48 | pupnik | the mypaint ui is the keyboard |
| 21:36.01 | lcuk | pupnik, with all these paint programs, you have mentioned in the past the stylus strokes occasionally join together - it happens in liqbase as well in powersave mode: on performance they go away and everything is quicker: try knocking your cpu to performance and see if mypaint is smoother |
| 21:36.10 | GeneralAntilles | mypaint could use some cool edge pallets. |
| 21:36.36 | RST38bis | or something similar |
| 21:37.10 | lcuk | RST38bis, well ive got 800 pencil sketches (and growing) mostly with notes and writing on them: a damned good sample size for hwr |
| 21:37.14 | pupnik | lcuk: mypaint is cpu hungry due to the alpha blending brushes, and the ghost lines bug has been fixed afaik |
| 21:37.24 | RST38bis | not sure if plain edge palettes would work well in maemo - too small screen estate |
| 21:37.36 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody needs to get it into Extras. |
| 21:37.45 | lcuk | pupnik, but if it was running even faster it may be even betterer |
| 21:38.10 | RST38bis | mypaint is written in python? |
| 21:38.23 | qwerty12_N800 | hopes not |
| 21:38.33 | pupnik | lcuk, you have to suid the app to enable performance mode yes? |
| 21:38.33 | GeneralAntilles | RST38bis, I'm thinking something like, having semi-circles on the edge of the screen that you tap to bring out, then select your color/brush and it goes away. |
| 21:38.33 | lcuk | it could be: but with a canvas in c |
| 21:38.40 | RST38bis | it is. |
| 21:38.42 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody made a mockup in the thread. |
| 21:38.45 | pupnik | GeneralAntilles: i made sketches for that |
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| 21:38.57 | RST38bis | ga: my thought exactly |
| 21:38.57 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I really like that idea. |
| 21:39.09 | lcuk | if liqbase is setup and run as root once you change to performance it stays until you reboot or change down for the whole system |
| 21:39.16 | lcuk | numpty works better like that :D |
| 21:39.18 | RST38bis | ga: like pull-down ribbons |
| 21:39.28 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/mypaint_quikUI_01anim.gif |
| 21:39.53 | GeneralAntilles | I love that concept. |
| 21:40.04 | lcuk | pupnik, speaking of boobie pictures, did your search for a new model go well? |
| 21:40.20 | RST38bis | umgh |
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| 21:40.35 | pupnik | eh um... actually met someone who'd fit the bill but can't find her number :P |
| 21:40.59 | pupnik | but RST38bis is right - myspace needs ui work |
| 21:41.04 | pupnik | i mean mypaint |
| 21:41.04 | timely | jott: hey, have you seen microsoft's translation table? |
| 21:41.07 | timely | it's really handy |
| 21:41.08 | RST38bis | liqbase project has not releas d any files:( |
| 21:41.13 | lcuk | lol myspace needs disconnecting |
| 21:41.43 | lcuk | better have something in svn still :P |
| 21:41.49 | lcuk | https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=716 |
| 21:42.02 | jott | timely: uhm no.. *googles* |
| 21:42.28 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 21:42.42 | GeneralAntilles | The Garage scm stats tracker is still a bit broken, I see. |
| 21:42.47 | jott | timely: still the last warning message should be quite impossible to translate with any automatic tool ;) |
| 21:42.57 | lcuk | RST38bis, i would release something if i could get the package to build, but my foo is severly lacking in this dept |
| 21:43.26 | RST38bis | lcuk: need a blank project? |
| 21:43.38 | lcuk | im about 80% there |
| 21:44.17 | lcuk | im calling dpkg_buildpackage and have got it building and skipping the clean stage (dont ask) but its now failing at make install step |
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| 21:44.34 | jott | timely: where is this table? /me is too stupid |
| 21:44.36 | lcuk | my makefile lacks entries and tbh i think it would fail if i just copied the file in there |
| 21:44.46 | RST38bis | you can use my colem or fmsx project if you wish - makefiles, packaging, etc |
| 21:45.07 | lcuk | might be a good idea to have a proper clean look at, where are they? |
| 21:46.06 | RST38bis | fms.komkon.org |
| 21:46.06 | RST38bis | I really dumbed it down though. No fancy crap. |
| 21:48.14 | lcuk | RST38bis, everything in: fMSX351.zip is latest (even though maemo ver is 353 ? |
| 21:48.41 | RST38bis | yes |
| 21:48.56 | jott | RST38bis: http://fms.komkon.org/ColEm/ the "available" link is a 404 should be ...ColEm..zip not ...Colem....zip |
| 21:49.01 | GNUton | hi there |
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| 21:49.08 | jott | hey GNUton |
| 21:49.17 | GNUton | hey jott :) |
| 21:49.18 | RST38bis | shit. will fix |
| 21:50.17 | lcuk | lol jott :) do you run to the nearest phone box, change into your "internet superhero" and help everyone? |
| 21:50.42 | jott | lcuk: psst this must be kept secret! |
| 21:51.00 | lcuk | (and if i knew any language other than english i wouldv spoken up earlier) |
| 21:51.09 | lcuk | unless you need a Mancunian translation |
| 21:51.16 | RST38bis | lcuk: Maemo/Package for packaging |
| 21:51.27 | jott | haha |
| 21:51.49 | lcuk | omg my eyes are watering !!! |
| 21:51.51 | jott | well if you can set the device locale to this, why not ;) |
| 21:52.00 | RST38bis | EMULib/Rules.Maemo for makefile defs |
| 21:53.42 | lcuk | i thought .debs needed a /debian folder |
| 21:53.47 | lcuk | is even more confused now |
| 21:53.59 | RST38bis | there is one |
| 21:54.16 | RST38bis | underneath |
| 21:55.09 | lcuk | ColEm25-Source.zip |
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| 21:59.43 | RST38x | lcuk: is it clear enough? |
| 22:01.15 | Veggen | hmm, people. Do people have a problem when flying with their tablet? I mean, complying with rules, I should turn it off during takeoff and landing, and then it's gonna play the nokia tune when I boot it up again :) |
| 22:01.22 | lcuk | not really, i see nothing to do with packaging nor installing |
| 22:01.39 | Veggen | hmm. maybe just remember to have the earphones plugged in. |
| 22:01.45 | lcuk | your makefiles in ColEm25-Source.zip remind me of mine (but you are spread over a few subfolders) |
| 22:02.31 | Veggen | (yah, of course I leave it in offline mode :) |
| 22:02.49 | lcuk | veggen, slide lock make it go off before they ask you, when they DO ask if they see it, just show them the blank dead screen. also in the airport put it in offline more |
| 22:03.39 | lcuk | some guy had a laptop on the plane and just wanted to shut the lid, the steward made him fully off it, he had some major annoying logout (and logback in later) tune |
| 22:04.23 | Veggen | lcuk: I just shut it off, and remember to put my earplug in before booting, then noone will hear the nokia tune and believe it's a phone ;) |
| 22:04.51 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 22:04.55 | GeneralAntilles | I've never had a problem. |
| 22:05.02 | Veggen | you never know. |
| 22:05.26 | robink | You gotta disable the WiFi before you turn it on, right? |
| 22:05.30 | Veggen | yes. |
| 22:05.32 | lcuk | can you change that tune for a silent sample? |
| 22:05.35 | robink | How do you do that? |
| 22:05.48 | Veggen | robink: you have to do it before you turn it off :) |
| 22:05.49 | lcuk | quick press the power button and select offline mode from the menu |
| 22:05.55 | RST38x | lcuk: i have to have multiple folders for all the pkatforms |
| 22:06.02 | robink | Veggen, lcuk: Ah |
| 22:06.21 | lcuk | RST38h, 100% understand that, but what i cannot see is the packaging side of things |
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| 22:07.00 | RST38x | lcuk: ColEm/Maemo/Package/package |
| 22:07.12 | lcuk | when i build a package with dpkg_buildpackage it does everything and makes my software, then i assume it attempts to "install" my software inside the package in the correct folder layout. what is missing from my makefile is the install section |
| 22:07.34 | RST38x | correct |
| 22:07.37 | lcuk | only 2 files there, maemo.c and makefile |
| 22:07.57 | RST38x | no Package dir? |
| 22:08.02 | lcuk | http://fms.komkon.org/ColEm/ColEm25-Source.zip |
| 22:08.19 | Veggen | ok, turned it off, then topping the battery to make it last as long as possible of the travel. |
| 22:08.28 | lcuk | super- jott, does what i say fit with whats actually happening |
| 22:08.30 | Veggen | 2*1h45 min plane plus a couple of hours train. |
| 22:08.51 | lcuk | veggen - take screen and turn it down 2 notches |
| 22:08.52 | Veggen | Should make quite a bit of italian language podcasts to brush up my italian :) |
| 22:09.07 | lcuk | i can last all day reading sketching compiling numptying and playing |
| 22:09.21 | RST38x | lcuk: check fmsx then |
| 22:09.22 | lcuk | on performance cpu |
| 22:09.47 | RST38x | there should be a Maemo/Package dir |
| 22:09.57 | Veggen | I plan to listen to language podcasts. Only one week in italy this time, I need a little cheating to get better in italian while there ;) |
| 22:09.58 | lcuk | similar i believe but that has the added problem that source is 351 but maemo package is 353 |
| 22:10.12 | RST38x | naah |
| 22:10.24 | lcuk | not even a maemo folder |
| 22:10.31 | lcuk | http://fms.komkon.org/fMSX/fMSX351.zip |
| 22:10.35 | RST38x | it had packaging from the start |
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| 22:10.56 | RST38x | fMSX/Maemo |
| 22:11.19 | lcuk | does not exist |
| 22:11.47 | lcuk | roms and unix are 2 subfolders, i think your webserver is out of sync with your local is all |
| 22:12.04 | lcuk | nm for now :) ill grab again when you update |
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| 22:12.26 | lcuk | i only wanted a quick peek anyways |
| 22:13.12 | RST38x | weird, maybe i did not include it? but why? |
| 22:13.40 | lcuk | i'd simply say it was last updated before your maemo burst - and if you have uploaded them you have uploaded to somewhere else |
| 22:13.48 | robink | emerges xorg-server with the kdrive USE flag set |
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| 22:15.08 | RST38x | all roght. bedtime. |
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| 22:26.11 | lcuk | pupnik, the ghostline fix he put in is time based, very clever but could cause a wanted stroke to actually be joined and can actually still occur if your writing speed is high |
| 22:26.59 | lcuk | mind you, its not geared for writing - drawing speed |
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| 22:41.26 | fatal- | howdy. is there any app for maemo that would somehow allow tracking externally where the device is located, using google maps or something similar? |
| 22:41.40 | lcuk | theres a map built in |
| 22:41.46 | lcuk | and theres maemo mapper |
| 22:42.10 | fatal- | I really mean externally, requiring somekind of server support |
| 22:42.10 | pupnik | i think he means uploading current position somewhere on the web or email |
| 22:42.10 | lcuk | maemo mapper allows downloads from different map providers and can (i believe) import routes from google maps |
| 22:42.15 | GeneralAntilles | fatal-, set up gpsd to allow remote connections. |
| 22:42.58 | fatal- | of course somekind of ssh or wget hack might work, just leeching the location from gpsd.. |
| 22:42.59 | lcuk | ahhhh fatal,no but i doubt it would be difficult to setup a script to run and push latest gps position |
| 22:43.17 | lcuk | there was a discussion today on itT |
| 22:43.33 | lcuk | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21805 |
| 22:43.36 | lcuk | get some ideas from there |
| 22:43.53 | lcuk | it was for a "call home occasionally incase i get stolen" idea |
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| 22:44.54 | lcuk | all you have to find is a service which will log and plot and display some points |
| 22:45.08 | lcuk | a mini mashup using google maps api should work nicely on basically any webserver |
| 22:46.13 | GeneralAntilles | Be cool if that lojack app would get off the ground. |
| 22:46.46 | lcuk | ive given a lot of thought to this myself - when i went checking the camera though the red warning light came on |
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| 22:47.08 | lcuk | that was directly through gstreamer so it would need hacking lower down to remove that problem |
| 22:47.56 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, i wonder if we could have a small amount of data space per user account on maemo.org |
| 22:48.01 | fatal- | lcuk: well, I guess I'll try out a little hack then.. |
| 22:48.10 | lcuk | a private field on the user account for "Last GPS location" |
| 22:48.33 | lcuk | that way we can just push and update to there and we know its basically online |
| 22:48.54 | lcuk | fatal-, :) if you get something up that works with google maps it would be interesting to see |
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| 22:50.22 | lcuk | with the google api, can you get it reading your mail? |
| 22:50.29 | lcuk | is pondering outloud |
| 22:50.38 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, somebody already did a page like that. |
| 22:50.42 | GeneralAntilles | Sometime last year. |
| 22:50.56 | lcuk | what a gps/google mashup? |
| 22:51.39 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 22:51.44 | pupnik | fantastic speeches from the CCC congress: http://chaosradio.ccc.de/24c3_m4v.html (hacker conference) |
| 22:51.51 | pupnik | german/english |
| 22:52.12 | lcuk | http://conversationswithmyself.com/maps/tracker/gmapTracker.html |
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| 22:52.53 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody should figure out all this gpsd stuff and put up a wiki page. |
| 22:53.10 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, :) you are a star |
| 22:53.22 | lcuk | ive grabbed that and will see what i can mash it into |
| 22:53.35 | lcuk | whether anything comes of it before the summit is another thing |
| 22:53.41 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 22:54.00 | lcuk | its saved in my folder for when i get time :) |
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| 23:06.08 | fatal- | what might be the "right" way to get the location info on an n810? navicore-gpsd-helper gives me nothing and trying to follow /dev/pgps seems to cause problems |
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| 23:11.22 | GeneralAntilles | gpsd doesn't have great documentation. . . . |
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| 23:14.41 | fatal- | garage doesn't like about me right now, slow as a snail |
| 23:19.32 | GeneralAntilles | Ehehe: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3447 |
| 23:27.50 | |tbb| | is there an application available to launch programs from hildondesktop |
| 23:29.39 | GeneralAntilles | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/personal-launch/ |
| 23:31.53 | |tbb| | thx |
| 23:34.56 | lcuk | lol GeneralAntilles i buried myself in my profile \o/ |
| 23:35.27 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 23:35.35 | lcuk | the icon looked like a comment icon so i clicked it, now im bolloxed |
| 23:37.00 | yigal | yesterday I asked if anyone knew of any cheap phones that work with t-mobile's $20 plan for pairing with the n800, after no response, I guess I will ask does anyone know of a phone that simply works with t-mobile's $20 internet plan. |
| 23:37.18 | yigal | + pairing |
| 23:37.48 | lcuk | yigal, i dont know the first thing about phones, have you considered taking your 800 into a shop with you and talking it through with the phone guy |
| 23:38.17 | yigal | no one ever knows anything in a t-mobile shop you know that |
| 23:38.21 | lcuk | if the guy in the first shop doesnt know about pairing and whether it can work (and possibly show you) then go to the next |
| 23:38.27 | lcuk | then try a different shop |
| 23:38.34 | lcuk | you dont have to buy, just sound interested |
| 23:38.58 | lcuk | once you find a model or range that suits you are away |
| 23:39.15 | yigal | ok |
| 23:39.17 | lcuk | just tell them its a computer and you need to connect like a laptop |
| 23:39.36 | lcuk | otherwise they will see nokia and just think its phone to phone and will be confused |
| 23:39.54 | lcuk | they looked blankly at mine when i went in for a memory card |
| 23:40.24 | lcuk | "wow, thats a neat phone" says the guy behind the counter |
| 23:40.24 | lcuk | how the hell do you tell the phone guy your nokia isnt a phone |
| 23:40.49 | lcuk | anyway, i digress, im goin back to code :) |
| 23:40.53 | GeneralAntilles | "It's not a phone" |
| 23:41.05 | lcuk | but its a nokia |
| 23:41.39 | GeneralAntilles | "Yeah?! Well ur uh hooker!" |
| 23:41.41 | yigal | I have been able to pair my blackberry pearl with a laptop because of barry, a minimal set of mostly command line tools for using blackberry but the nokia doesn't have this so this is why I have to find something that does work |
| 23:42.00 | yigal | s/tools/tools with linux/ |
| 23:42.07 | lcuk | most phones do actually work from what i can gather |
| 23:42.16 | yigal | that is a good thing |
| 23:42.22 | lcuk | you could have a look if theres anyone with lists on internettablettalk |
| 23:43.04 | yigal | I've been typing in searches via google and get back blackberries, palms, etc. but I need something pretty cheap approx $200 at most |
| 23:43.24 | yigal | without the 2year plan "discount" |
| 23:43.30 | yigal | owell this is off topic thanks lcuk |
| 23:45.45 | yigal | well hopefully http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21582 has something |
| 23:47.33 | lcuk | omg a whole phone list for you |
| 23:47.33 | lcuk | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/BluetoothDUN/ |
| 23:47.54 | GeneralAntilles | ew old |
| 23:48.15 | lcuk | wheres the new one then :P |
| 23:48.18 | yigal | ah I see yes, the link is even in the thread :) |
| 23:48.25 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, isn't one. |
| 23:48.28 | yigal | GeneralAntilles: always has the latest |
| 23:48.54 | yigal | well I want old actually, most likely a bit cheaper |
| 23:52.42 | yigal | looks like the razr is not such a bad thing kind of cheap, and small - I don't plan to use it. |
| 23:53.01 | yigal | other than use it as a modem |
