| 00:00.07 | jott | probably a "Provides" would do the job.. |
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| 00:00.39 | jott | GeneralAntilles: kernel could also be in regular extras if it is "solved the right way" (tm) |
| 00:00.56 | GeneralAntilles | Of course |
| 00:01.06 | GeneralAntilles | a "rotation-support" package would be pretty cool |
| 00:01.10 | jott | i guess just naming it differently and using the provides field allows it to be installed without breaking stuff |
| 00:01.59 | jott | has yet to get himself access to the autobuilder ;) |
| 00:03.05 | jott | hmm if this "provides" works as i think it should, we could also push the xserver this way.. |
| 00:03.29 | jott | and then some rotation-support metapackaggggge.. |
| 00:03.35 | jott | arg keyboard :) |
| 00:03.45 | GeneralAntilles | It's cooler that way. ;) |
| 00:09.43 | qos | what does the kernel-diablo-flasher package? i guess it flashes my kernel, but how in detail? |
| 00:10.09 | GeneralAntilles | It's slightly mis-named. |
| 00:10.28 | GeneralAntilles | Flashing is handled by the fiasco-flasher on the device |
| 00:10.41 | GeneralAntilles | which is essentially a slightly slimmed down version of the regular Linux flasher. |
| 00:10.48 | jott | and invoked by the "flash-and-reboot" script |
| 00:11.02 | jott | which just takes the /usr/share/osso/images/zImage-diablo-200823 and calls the fiasco-flasher |
| 00:11.26 | jott | (and the initfs in the same dir) |
| 00:13.07 | qos | ahh, okay |
| 00:13.44 | qos | so, just a small reboot |
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| 00:15.56 | qos | so, i am back |
| 00:16.36 | qos | great work, looks really great the new plugin |
| 00:17.53 | qos | by the way. there is still a fix for the icq problem missing, right? |
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| 00:19.45 | qos | ... still no fix ... upps |
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| 00:20.55 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=199997#post199997 |
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| 00:24.06 | qos | GeneralAntilles, ahhh a fix. but i was thinking about the latest pidgin |
| 00:24.25 | fnordianslip | talking of the flasher, presumably flashing a kernel to my cloned internal card is done the same way as flashing to, er, the flash ? |
| 00:24.47 | qos | the developer wrote in the garage project, that he is working on it |
| 00:25.10 | GeneralAntilles | Your card and the flash share the same kernel. |
| 00:25.26 | fnordianslip | aha. didn't think of that. no probs. |
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| 00:26.31 | jott | fnordianslip: just pay attention when you invoke "flash-and-reboot" as this will overwrite your initfs |
| 00:26.51 | GeneralAntilles | Just use fiasco-flasher |
| 00:27.01 | GeneralAntilles | Leave flash-and-reboot for Nokia. |
| 00:27.29 | fnordianslip | ok. i've still gotta update scratchbox and build the kernel so no rush |
| 00:28.35 | fnordianslip | unless osmeone else fancies switching on support for AX.25 ? ;-) |
| 00:31.37 | jott | ax.25? woo this is still in use? |
| 00:32.29 | jott | prepare for the day after? ;) |
| 00:32.32 | Gracana | It's in use by amateur radio operators.. |
| 00:32.40 | fnordianslip | oh yes. i've just bought a new TNC this week, and have been writing some code for the Delay Tolerant Networking research Group's Bundling Protocol so run on AX.25. |
| 00:32.42 | Gracana | For standard packet radio |
| 00:32.57 | jott | yeah just haven't heared of people using it for years ;) |
| 00:33.15 | Gracana | There's still a pretty active packet radio network around the US. |
| 00:33.24 | jott | amazing ;) |
| 00:33.25 | Gracana | Er, maybe not terribly active, but pretty existant anyway. :P |
| 00:33.35 | fnordianslip | so maybe someone could turn on support in a kernel |
| 00:33.45 | fnordianslip | or I'll have to do it myself |
| 00:33.46 | Gracana | APRS has survived quite well. |
| 00:34.01 | jott | fnordianslip: wouldn't it be suffice to build the module? |
| 00:34.03 | Gracana | There is a lot of APRS traffic. |
| 00:34.16 | fnordianslip | perhaps? is that a good plan? |
| 00:34.27 | fnordianslip | is it enabled as a module? |
| 00:34.45 | jott | no there are almost no modules installed |
| 00:35.23 | fnordianslip | wouldn't the kernel config have to have it specifically enabled as a module |
| 00:35.40 | jott | yeah that too, but nokia does not really ship kernel modules |
| 00:36.09 | jott | fnordianslip: http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node12.html |
| 00:36.38 | jott | there you find how to build a module |
| 00:37.03 | fnordianslip | yeah the bit where i have to manually edit the .config file is the scarey bit |
| 00:37.12 | jott | use make menuconfig ;) |
| 00:37.22 | jott | or even make xconfig :p |
| 00:37.31 | fnordianslip | i tried that before in scratchbox |
| 00:37.42 | fnordianslip | why does the wiki say to edit it by hand? |
| 00:38.03 | jott | well some people like it this way as it seems.. |
| 00:38.09 | jott | and it's less text in the tutorial ;) |
| 00:38.30 | jott | and it's pretty straight forward anyway |
| 00:38.34 | lcuk | crashanddie, |
| 00:39.14 | fnordianslip | cool. will get hacking |
| 00:40.26 | qos | e.g. i like the textway more ,) |
| 00:40.48 | jott | qos: only problem is when you upgrade the kernel and you get new options ;) |
| 00:40.56 | jott | then you still have to use make oldconfig :) |
| 00:41.02 | fnordianslip | yeah, but it also says to use vi. fat chance! |
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| 00:41.59 | qos | ok, i dont lie vi that much :) as long you come to an finish |
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| 00:44.02 | qos | so, good night together |
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| 01:04.46 | NeoStrider_ | hey folks |
| 01:08.02 | NeoStrider_ | would you guys suggest me to use a double buffer for speed reasons? |
| 01:08.07 | NeoStrider_ | I do draw a lot of polygons |
| 01:08.46 | NeoStrider_ | flickering is not a matter for me |
| 01:08.48 | rm_you | hrm, i know lcuk does graphics, but looks like he is asleep <_< |
| 01:09.17 | NeoStrider_ | lcuk would be a good guy to answer me =-) |
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| 01:15.10 | rm_you | bah X-Fade isn't even here for me to ping |
| 01:18.27 | crashanddie | anyway |
| 01:18.28 | crashanddie | I'm out |
| 01:18.31 | crashanddie | cheers everyone |
| 01:18.34 | GeneralAntilles | 'night |
| 01:18.59 | crashanddie | btw |
| 01:19.25 | crashanddie | I'll try to release a preview of my graphic spectrum based on mic input |
| 01:19.28 | crashanddie | (tomorrow) |
| 01:19.34 | GeneralAntilles | Oooh |
| 01:19.34 | crashanddie | I'm not sure I'll be able to, but I'll try |
| 01:19.35 | GeneralAntilles | fun |
| 01:20.03 | crashanddie | cheers |
| 01:20.06 | jott | crashanddie: oh did you take a looked at libvisual? or have i asked you that already? |
| 01:20.12 | jott | look |
| 01:20.45 | crashanddie | jott, lol, you lucky I wanted to check something on my mouse's behaviour, or I wouldn't have opened the lid again |
| 01:20.55 | crashanddie | oh well, last cigarette I gues |
| 01:20.58 | crashanddie | +s |
| 01:21.14 | crashanddie | jott, I don't think I've heard anything about libvisual |
| 01:21.41 | jott | it's sadly not in further development atm |
| 01:21.57 | jott | but it gives a nice framework for audio visualization |
| 01:22.22 | jott | i tried running it on the tablet and it seems to work.. |
| 01:22.44 | sin18 | the forums suggest using ssh roo@localhost (on nokia n800 /diablo) but it fails to log me in when i use 'rootme' password |
| 01:22.57 | sin18 | ssh root@localhost* |
| 01:22.58 | GeneralAntilles | ~rootaccess |
| 01:22.59 | infobot | well, rootaccess is http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access |
| 01:23.52 | crashanddie | jott, I'll have to look into it, but from what I'm reading, it seems quite heavy |
| 01:24.20 | crashanddie | jott, I don't *need* the fourier engine, considering gstreamer already does that for me |
| 01:25.23 | crashanddie | And I'd really want to prove that you can do a lot with this NIT when you use optimized code |
| 01:25.25 | jott | look at the nice example :) |
| 01:25.41 | jott | it runs some pretty heavy visualization fluently |
| 01:26.02 | crashanddie | what example ? |
| 01:27.40 | jott | hold on |
| 01:30.25 | rm_you | visualization of mic input would be totally awesome :P |
| 01:30.35 | crashanddie | :P |
| 01:30.39 | rm_you | really only see it as a a random toy, but hella fun :P |
| 01:30.49 | rm_you | would look neat sitting on a desk |
| 01:30.59 | GeneralAntilles | Random toys are good for making other people feel small with their crappy devices. :P |
| 01:31.05 | crashanddie | well, ideally, I'd like to be able to choose different inputs |
| 01:31.07 | rm_you | especially if there was a big giant clock somewhere on the display still :) |
| 01:31.19 | sin18 | infobot : thanks |
| 01:31.19 | infobot | pas de quoi, sin18 |
| 01:31.31 | GeneralAntilles | :( |
| 01:31.32 | crashanddie | infobot : you speak french ? Awesome |
| 01:31.48 | crashanddie | ~cookie GeneralAntilles |
| 01:32.12 | crashanddie | ok |
| 01:32.15 | rm_you | lol, you break infobot? :P |
| 01:32.15 | jott | crashanddie: http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/7581/foouf2.png |
| 01:32.16 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 01:32.20 | jott | this runs super smooth |
| 01:32.25 | jott | and reacts to music |
| 01:32.44 | crashanddie | hmm |
| 01:32.49 | crashanddie | I'll have to look into it then |
| 01:33.00 | crashanddie | but I just want to get my small stuff working |
| 01:33.05 | jott | sure |
| 01:33.19 | crashanddie | I'll need to get a newer version of gstreamer online, shitty stuff like that which I really don't have time for |
| 01:33.29 | crashanddie | plus it would appear libvisual is integrated into gstreamer |
| 01:33.36 | crashanddie | which would be pure awesomeness in a can |
| 01:33.48 | crashanddie | jott, thanks for the tip |
| 01:33.56 | jott | sure no problem.. did some work with it .. |
| 01:34.16 | jott | more on the desktop (pixelshader based stuff).. |
| 01:34.33 | crashanddie | jott, I'd appreciate it if you could email me that stuff though |
| 01:34.35 | crashanddie | crashanddie@gmail.com |
| 01:34.58 | jott | yeah i'll see if i can still find it.. |
| 01:35.00 | jott | was 1-2 years ago |
| 01:35.04 | crashanddie | oh, ok |
| 01:35.05 | jott | or even longer.. who knows ;) |
| 01:35.10 | crashanddie | well, don't bother if it's too much hassle |
| 01:35.12 | crashanddie | AND DAMNIT |
| 01:35.25 | crashanddie | MAPS KEEP FAILING TO DOWNLOAD |
| 01:35.38 | jott | servers down? |
| 01:35.39 | GeneralAntilles | They should ship everybody free DVD copies. |
| 01:35.52 | crashanddie | Map of 296MB, fails at 280 |
| 01:35.55 | crashanddie | *awesome* |
| 01:35.55 | GeneralAntilles | I've never managed to get it to download a whole map set successfully. |
| 01:36.13 | jott | crashanddie: atleast you can check the libvisual sources as there are some nice visualization algorithms in there |
| 01:36.25 | crashanddie | jott, their website is down atm, only wiki is up |
| 01:36.29 | jott | yeah |
| 01:36.39 | jott | the main dev got his own company.. |
| 01:36.43 | t_s_o | hmm, i guess people know of the recent nokia im client beta with gps support. i wonder, can something similar be put onto the tablets? |
| 01:36.48 | jott | so he has no more time.. :( |
| 01:37.00 | crashanddie | understandably |
| 01:37.12 | jott | yeah |
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| 01:38.00 | crashanddie | anyway, thanks for giving me some more work jott :P |
| 01:38.09 | jott | hah my duty |
| 01:38.24 | rm_you | t_s_o: so people know where you are IMing them from? :P |
| 01:38.27 | crashanddie | I'm off |
| 01:38.30 | jott | bye |
| 01:38.34 | rm_you | later |
| 01:38.42 | t_s_o | something like that rm_you |
| 01:39.01 | crashanddie | I imagine the conversation "dude... I'm on google maps right now, looking at your coordinates... Are you on the can ?" "err, well" "that's just gross" |
| 01:39.17 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 01:39.27 | GeneralAntilles | One of the top 10 places to use your tablet? |
| 01:39.29 | t_s_o | http://www.nokia.com/betalabs/chat |
| 01:39.52 | crashanddie | that's about as discreet as the "splash" during a phone conversation |
| 01:40.56 | jott | this so reminds me so of the google epic 2014 |
| 01:41.10 | jott | it was quite funny when google actually announced android ;) |
| 01:41.49 | jott | http://idorosen.com/mirrors/robinsloan.com/epic/ for those of you not knowing it yet |
| 01:41.57 | jott | really nice ;) |
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| 01:43.24 | rm_you | lol |
| 01:44.36 | jott | timeline might not be accurate ;) |
| 01:45.20 | rm_you | never heard of friendster >_> |
| 01:47.32 | rm_you | lol yeah we watched this in my Mass Media class :P |
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| 01:49.37 | jott | actually it's epic 2015 i meant :P |
| 01:49.38 | jott | http://epic.makingithappen.co.uk/new-masterfs1.html |
| 01:49.57 | jott | where they integrated the location based services ;) |
| 01:52.23 | rm_you | lol, updated version <_< |
| 01:52.47 | rm_you | yeah thats the one we watched |
| 01:52.58 | rm_you | and i walked up and showed my professor what i was working on |
| 01:53.20 | rm_you | which was my n800 with GPS and wikimapia data |
| 01:53.27 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 01:53.29 | rm_you | and she was like "... ... ... ..." |
| 01:53.36 | jott | hehe |
| 01:54.06 | rm_you | all the people around me were like "WOAH" watching the video |
| 01:54.16 | jott | yeah really nicely done |
| 01:54.17 | rm_you | and i was like "oh, what a coincidence, i was just working on doing that" |
| 01:54.23 | jott | and not *too* far fetched ;) |
| 01:54.37 | rm_you | and then they were like "woah! ... ... nerd :P" |
| 01:54.42 | jott | hehe |
| 01:56.05 | rm_you | why is EVERYTHING on garage SOOOOOO slow |
| 01:56.13 | GeneralAntilles | It's awful, isn't it? |
| 01:56.16 | rm_you | links take like 45 seconds to load |
| 01:56.18 | rm_you | EVERYTHING |
| 01:56.22 | GeneralAntilles | Just do something else while it's doing things. :P |
| 01:56.29 | rm_you | just trying to edit tasks... >_> |
| 01:56.39 | rm_you | i want to see the tracker merged just so it won't be on garage anymore |
| 01:56.40 | GeneralAntilles | Stupid Finnish vacation interrupted our server upgrades. . . . |
| 01:56.44 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 01:56.58 | GeneralAntilles | wishes for bugzilla everytime I use tracker. |
| 01:57.01 | rm_you | so it wont take me 10 minutes to change the info on a bug |
| 01:57.21 | GeneralAntilles | If only andre and guenther would get back from freaking GUADEC we might be able to make some headway on that. |
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| 03:08.29 | rm_you | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcQ7RkyBoBc |
| 03:08.32 | rm_you | rofl |
| 03:12.16 | jott | pupnik posted that already a few days ago :P |
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| 03:15.33 | rm_you | ah :P well, it's awesome |
| 03:19.50 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you is so behind the curve. |
| 03:20.44 | rm_you | lol |
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| 03:23.28 | doc|home | rm_you: this is great :D |
| 03:24.10 | rm_you | see, someone hadn't seen it :P |
| 03:25.23 | tank-man | it was pasted before but was at some slow site |
| 03:25.57 | ds3 | heh mass media class... trying hard not to think of USB |
| 03:25.58 | rm_you | hrm, got on a youtube browsing streak... they have 3d tvs now? >_> |
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| 03:26.33 | doc|home | bwahaha, arrange by penis |
| 03:26.36 | rm_you | WOWvx 3D? anyone seen one IRL? |
| 03:27.49 | GeneralAntilles | lol: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=201589#post201589 |
| 03:28.51 | t_s_o | having your own version of the video there GeneralAntilles? |
| 03:29.08 | GeneralAntilles | t_s_o, thankfully he hasn't mentioned his penis yet. ;) |
| 03:29.43 | t_s_o | hope he never do... |
| 03:29.59 | rm_you | lol |
| 03:30.16 | rm_you | awesome conversation there |
| 03:30.51 | t_s_o | have someone made a .install file for the chinook extra dir? i fear the forum is about to implode because of that... |
| 03:31.09 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 03:31.13 | GeneralAntilles | t_s_o, it's long gone. |
| 03:31.20 | GeneralAntilles | It was the same thing last november |
| 03:31.29 | t_s_o | heh, figures |
| 03:31.41 | GeneralAntilles | At least we don't have anybody asking why they need libhildon0 <_< |
| 03:33.19 | t_s_o | hmm, seems its listed on gronmeyer now so i just copied the link from there :P |
| 03:33.41 | GeneralAntilles | Diablo Extras should be mostly there in a couple weeks |
| 03:33.48 | GeneralAntilles | so hopefully it'll resolve itself. |
| 03:34.38 | GeneralAntilles | Ugh |
| 03:34.53 | t_s_o | or maybe i gave the wrong link. bah... |
| 03:34.55 | GeneralAntilles | Can trying to solicit money on Planet be grounds for removing that feed? |
| 03:35.06 | GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/ |
| 03:35.37 | GeneralAntilles | See aisu's entry. <_< |
| 03:37.20 | t_s_o | :S |
| 03:37.50 | GeneralAntilles | The digg links that get inserted into the bottom of a bunch of entries piss me off, too. |
| 03:39.05 | GeneralAntilles | thumbs all of aisu's entries. |
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| 03:57.11 | rm_you | GAH forgot for a second my laptop is a convertable tabletpc >_> |
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| 03:57.44 | rm_you | grabbed the botton of the screen to turn it towards me and the screen clicked and started rotating without the base :P |
| 03:57.53 | rm_you | s/botton/bottom/ |
| 03:58.08 | rm_you | scared the crap out of me |
| 03:59.21 | Raytray | interesting bot |
| 03:59.22 | GeneralAntilles | . . . |
| 03:59.34 | Raytray | s/bot/lol |
| 03:59.39 | Raytray | aw |
| 03:59.45 | GeneralAntilles | close it properly. . . . |
| 03:59.52 | GeneralAntilles | It's only interesting function is sed. |
| 03:59.56 | Raytray | oh heh |
| 04:00.16 | Raytray | s/heh/k/ |
| 04:00.46 | rm_you | and other things |
| 04:01.06 | rm_you | ~lart GeneralAntilles a clue |
| 04:01.06 | infobot | wallops GeneralAntilles a clue with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long |
| 04:01.15 | rm_you | bah i did that wrong |
| 04:01.21 | Raytray | Whose is it? |
| 04:01.22 | rm_you | ~lart rm_you for not having a clue |
| 04:01.22 | infobot | puts rm_you into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of rm_you's hair of for not having a clue |
| 04:01.25 | GeneralAntilles | ~lart rm_you with competence |
| 04:01.25 | infobot | takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down rm_you with competence's throat until rm_you with competence puts on 150lbs |
| 04:01.32 | GeneralAntilles | TimRiker |
| 04:01.38 | GeneralAntilles | It's in a bunch of Linux channels. |
| 04:01.42 | GeneralAntilles | ~list |
| 04:01.45 | infobot | one warez list being sent |
| 04:01.46 | GeneralAntilles | ~chanlist |
| 04:01.51 | GeneralAntilles | OK then |
| 04:01.59 | rm_you | lol? |
| 04:02.01 | rm_you | ~list |
| 04:02.02 | infobot | one warez list being sent |
| 04:02.05 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 04:02.08 | rm_you | random |
| 04:02.25 | rm_you | ~lart infobot for lieing |
| 04:02.25 | infobot | beats rm_you severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken for lieing |
| 04:02.29 | rm_you | lol |
| 04:02.38 | rm_you | ~lart rm_you for falling for that |
| 04:02.38 | infobot | teaches rm_you for falling the basics, including how to RTM for that |
| 04:02.51 | rm_you | wow that is very unpredictable |
| 04:02.59 | rm_you | ~cookie rm_you |
| 04:03.17 | GeneralAntilles | No. |
| 04:03.22 | GeneralAntilles | I'm taking away your bot privileges. |
| 04:03.29 | rm_you | ono |
| 04:03.39 | rm_you | s/ono/oyes/ |
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| 04:13.03 | Cptnodegard | what happened to gronmayer? |
| 04:13.57 | rm_you | So there is a google filter that blocks explicit content.... Why isn't there a google filter that blocks non-explicit content? :P |
| 04:16.24 | Proteous | lol |
| 04:16.52 | rm_you | I definitely see distinctly valid uses for each :) |
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| 04:22.51 | yigal | can anyone suggest a sip service provider? |
| 04:23.00 | rm_you | ekiga.net |
| 04:23.51 | yigal | they offer a quality service, other than their software being included with GNOME? |
| 04:23.59 | GeneralAntilles | sipphone.net |
| 04:24.20 | GeneralAntilles | er, http://sipphone.com/ |
| 04:24.24 | rm_you | yigal: yep :P |
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| 04:25.15 | yigal | ok two good ones, I think I want to try this method, haven't done it before |
| 04:25.34 | yigal | I tried skype a couple of years ago and then didn't bother with it afterwords |
| 04:25.59 | GeneralAntilles | Too bad GrandCentral isn't handing out anymore invites. |
| 04:29.39 | yigal | GeneralAntilles: for sipphone.com just use the gizmo application that comes with os2008? |
| 04:29.49 | GeneralAntilles | You could |
| 04:29.53 | GeneralAntilles | But I use the built-in client |
| 04:30.02 | GeneralAntilles | don't have to have the Gizmo application taking up space in the taskbar all the time. |
| 04:30.12 | yigal | makes sense |
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| 04:40.18 | yigal | GeneralAntilles: like all of your advice sipphone hits the nail on the head for what my needs are, I bow to your knowledge |
| 04:40.27 | GeneralAntilles | Glad to have helped. :) |
| 04:40.30 | yigal | :) |
| 04:40.38 | yigal | it did very much |
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| 04:50.42 | yigal | GeneralAntilles: so I actually need to use the gizmo software first in order to create an account and then I can delete it? |
| 04:52.39 | yigal | or install on another machine to set it up, initially |
| 04:54.21 | yigal | yes, a little off topic don't worry it's simple enough to do |
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| 04:57.52 | GeneralAntilles | yigal, you can register on the website. |
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| 05:04.25 | yigal | too late :) |
| 05:05.22 | Prez00_ | can i mount my FS from my ubuntu box on a diablo runnign n800? |
| 05:06.25 | GeneralAntilles | Prez00_, are you asking if you can mount your rootfs in two places at the same time? :\ |
| 05:06.50 | Prez00_ | no, just mount a share from my ubuntu box on the n800 |
| 05:07.01 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, right |
| 05:07.02 | GeneralAntilles | Sure |
| 05:07.09 | GeneralAntilles | There's a dozen and one ways to do it. |
| 05:08.08 | Prez00_ | good deal, will google for one.. |
| 05:09.12 | GeneralAntilles | sshfs and samba are two valid options. |
| 05:14.13 | Prez00_ | got it |
| 05:14.22 | Prez00_ | found a mount wizard... |
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| 05:37.27 | befr0d | uh It seems like ukmp does not uses canola covers :/ at least it download them from the internet. |
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| 05:42.14 | rm_you | BLAH, back in debian, windoze is a nightmare |
| 05:44.05 | XTLi | Indeed |
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| 06:19.07 | rm_you | wow, the bluetooth in my phone is like... TOO powerful >_> |
| 06:19.33 | rm_you | trying to use blue-proximity to lock my machine when i walk away... |
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| 06:19.58 | GeneralAntilles | Put some aluminum foil around the antenna. :P |
| 06:20.02 | rm_you | but i can freaking wall outside my apartment, down the hall, out of wireless internet range, and it still thinks i'm within like 10 feet |
| 06:20.09 | rm_you | based on signal strength :P |
| 06:20.26 | rm_you | s/wall/walk/ (yes, this isn't going to work) |
| 06:21.12 | Stskeeps | rm_you: use the rssi strength instead? |
| 06:21.12 | pyhimys | faraday cage! |
| 06:21.16 | Stskeeps | that's sure to vary |
| 06:21.54 | rm_you | rssi? |
| 06:21.59 | rm_you | what does it use by default? |
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| 06:22.44 | rm_you | i think thats what it does |
| 06:22.45 | Stskeeps | probably just detecting the bluetooth device is detectable |
| 06:23.05 | rm_you | ah |
| 06:23.06 | rm_you | It connects to your mobile phone via bluetooth and uses the rssi value â something like the automatically set transmission power â to get a distance approximation. |
| 06:23.11 | rm_you | so yeah |
| 06:23.39 | rm_you | they're saying that a value of 7 for them means like, across the room |
| 06:23.54 | Stskeeps | they don't measure in dbm? :P odd |
| 06:24.00 | rm_you | i walked down the hall from my apartment, and with three closed doors behind me i had a 9 |
| 06:24.23 | rm_you | i can go ANYWHERE in this apartment and still have a 0 |
| 06:24.32 | rm_you | and it isn't a small apartment |
| 06:24.45 | rm_you | maybe i will try using n800 as the device instead of my cell |
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| 06:27.17 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
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| 06:29.43 | rm_you | bah i think it is cause of the bluetooth dongle i'm using in my PC >_> |
| 06:30.42 | rm_you | it's a class 1 |
| 06:31.06 | burnte | here's a crazy kooky question. Let's say I have stuff set up in a way I'd like to preserve. Like on makes an image of a freshly installed PC ready to go, how might I grab a snapshot of the boot part and later restore it if need be? |
| 06:31.56 | rm_you | burnte: on a live PC, not in a virtual machine? |
| 06:32.18 | qwerty12 | burnte, an image of the N8*0? |
| 06:32.27 | burnte | n810, yeah |
| 06:32.30 | burnte | sorry for leaving that out |
| 06:32.33 | rm_you | ah lol |
| 06:32.40 | burnte | I guess that's kidn of "important" |
| 06:32.53 | qwerty12 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=33348&postcount=31 |
| 06:32.58 | burnte | I've been up for 0 hours and I'm not 15 anymore, DON'T JUDGE ME! |
| 06:33.07 | burnte | yeah, see, that 0 should have been 20 |
| 06:33.09 | burnte | fails |
| 06:33.12 | qwerty12 | heh |
| 06:33.16 | burnte | looks at the link provided |
| 06:33.39 | qwerty12 | If you don't have an mmc partition to restore from, using the linux/macos flasher should restore it fine. |
| 06:33.47 | XTLi | I'VE been up for 0 hours. |
| 06:33.57 | burnte | XTLi: Is it as good as I've heard it is? |
| 06:34.16 | burnte | qwerty12: Thankfully, 2gb internal, so, that's good stuff. |
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| 06:35.10 | XTLi | burnte: I don't know. By the time I wake up, all I have is very obscure logs and occasionally some code |
| 06:35.11 | burnte | qwerty12: Also, it seems that the post you linked is pretty much exactly what I want to do. |
| 06:35.19 | qwerty12 | Cool :) |
| 06:35.34 | burnte | XTLi: I have the obscure logs, but usually an empty bowl of cereal instead of code. |
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| 06:37.40 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, would you happened to have checked to see if the fiasco-flasher can really flash the rootfs? |
| 06:38.40 | qwerty12 | I tried flashing a fiasco image using fiasco-flasher and all it does is extract the kernel and initfs and flash them. |
| 06:38.50 | qwerty12 | I didn't see any switches for rootfs flashing too :( |
| 06:38.53 | GeneralAntilles | Valid --flash-only options: |
| 06:38.54 | GeneralAntilles | nolo, kernel, initfs, rootfs |
| 06:39.09 | GeneralAntilles | It might be an interesting thing to bundle onto the initfs. |
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| 06:42.17 | qwerty12 | It sounds like it would be. Hmm, if my ssh worked, I'd be tempted to chroot to an diablo install on the mmc to see if it worked. |
| 06:46.16 | qwerty12 | Erm, isn't mce closed source? |
| 06:46.26 | GeneralAntilles | Should be. |
| 06:46.30 | qwerty12 | http://repository.maemo.org/rtcomm/pool/chinook/free/source/m/ |
| 06:46.37 | qwerty12 | I'm saving that one for keeps. |
| 06:46.44 | qwerty12 | Looks like the real shit to me too. |
| 06:47.31 | GeneralAntilles | What's the license? |
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| 06:48.01 | qwerty12 | Can't find a LICENSE file anywhere :/ |
| 06:48.29 | GeneralAntilles | Well, it's definitely OLD |
| 06:48.53 | GeneralAntilles | "Confidential. You are not free to do anything with this package, unless you have permission from Nokia Corporation." |
| 06:49.02 | qwerty12 | True, but if's the only source publicly available. |
| 06:49.19 | qwerty12 | Heh :/ |
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| 06:49.46 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: it's in bora/ too |
| 06:50.33 | qwerty12 | Hmm, why have the source to an old one available but not the latest :( |
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| 06:52.55 | qwerty12 | anyway, should save me from resorting to dbus-monitor when I want to make a dbus-send command to save me time. |
| 06:53.06 | qwerty12 | for mce anywayz |
| 06:56.08 | qwerty12 | Hmm, access to CAL is through MCE right? |
| 06:56.18 | qwerty12 | *DSME |
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| 06:58.54 | burnte | danke all, good night. |
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| 07:00.14 | trickie | qwerty12: i believe so... dsme |
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| 07:00.31 | qwerty12 | Thanks trickie. |
| 07:00.42 | qwerty12 | goes on the search for more nokia projects at garage |
| 07:00.54 | qwerty12 | It's where the source for things like dsme is kept etc anyway. |
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| 07:03.21 | alsor | hello, i installed the scratchbox, and run it correctly. But there is no selections in Utilities->... also like the Extras... |
| 07:03.39 | trickie | source for dsme? i thought the only copy *in the wild* was the one lardman accidently found |
| 07:04.29 | zap | hmm, osso-browser-ui-l10n sources are not available |
| 07:04.35 | alsor | How can I add selection like those in N810? like Utilities->Xterm ? |
| 07:04.48 | zap | Anybody knows what this license would mean: "Licensed under same terms as the software component the l10n strings have been derived from" ? |
| 07:05.35 | trickie | when did they open up mce? |
| 07:05.35 | XTLi | alsor: you mean .desktop files? |
| 07:05.56 | melmoth | zap: is this in a po file or something ? |
| 07:05.59 | zap | yes |
| 07:06.10 | zap | this package contains the translations for osso-xterm |
| 07:06.14 | zap | which is GPL per se |
| 07:06.16 | melmoth | sounds like the trnaslation file has the same licence that the software it is used for |
| 07:06.20 | XTLi | zap: that the l10n file sort of goes with the main |
| 07:06.26 | alsor | XTLi, oh, I didn't modify the .Desktop yet. |
| 07:06.40 | XTLi | ^ |
| 07:06.43 | zap | XTLi: does this mean that osso-browser-ui-l10n is GPL as well? |
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| 07:07.21 | XTLi | alsor: I mean that they come from such files.. You can read some packaging policy about the |
| 07:07.39 | melmoth | if i understand correclty the trnaslated file in osso-browser-ui-l10n are under the same licence as osso-browser-ui |
| 07:07.53 | XTLi | zap: that's how I understand that IANAL |
| 07:08.19 | zap | melmoth: but what has osso-xterm to do with osso-browser-ui? :) |
| 07:08.45 | melmoth | i don't know, but this is the package you mentionned :) |
| 07:08.52 | alsor | XTLi, thanks, I will look into the files |
| 07:08.54 | zap | ok I see your point ) |
| 07:09.17 | zap | but anyway it's a very strange approach |
| 07:09.28 | zap | osso-xterm is GPL while translations are proprietary |
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| 07:11.14 | XTLi | Actually I think it more specifically follows the license of the strings that were translated |
| 07:11.28 | XTLi | Whereever they came from :) |
| 07:12.19 | zap | by the way, there's no osso-browser or osso-browser-ui package at all |
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| 07:13.04 | zap | okay so if strings came from osso-xterm, those strings are GPL? and the strings that came from a proprietary app, are proprietary? |
| 07:13.11 | zap | what a hot mix of licenses in one package :) |
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| 07:14.28 | XTLi | They could have come from a subcontractor, never released and classified :) |
| 07:15.24 | zap | the header says it's maintained by a Nokia employee |
| 07:15.41 | zap | wonders what will happen if he'll msgunfmt the .po files |
| 07:15.59 | XTLi | You could have such fun with these licenses and micropayments |
| 07:19.43 | GeneralAntilles | osso-browser-ui became tablet-browser-ui |
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| 07:26.06 | zap | ah, that's it |
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| 07:29.05 | rm_you | lcuk_zzz / lardman|gone / X-Fade / qwerty12 / timely : ANY of you there? :P |
| 07:29.18 | rm_you | seems like NO ONE is on right now |
| 07:29.24 | Stskeeps | hmm, i may have cracked the debian wireless power consumption |
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| 07:30.58 | rm_you | X-Fade: hey :P |
| 07:32.33 | rm_you | Hrm, so i need people's opinions |
| 07:33.31 | ameng | Hi, guys after Ichanged /etc/fonts/font.conf. my n810 will always restart and can not startup. What can i do? |
| 07:34.00 | glass | reflash? |
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| 07:35.07 | rm_you | If advanced-backlight *replaced* (actually physically removed and took the place of) the original brightness control panel applet, what amount of evil would that most closely resemble: picking a flower for your loved one, picking a flower for no reason, or picking a flower for Hitler? >_> |
| 07:35.57 | ameng | glass:is there other way except reflash? |
| 07:36.01 | Stskeeps | rm_you: isn't there a sane way to dpkg --remove that applet? |
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| 07:36.45 | rm_you | Stskeeps: yeah, if we marked advanced-backlight as "replaces" on that package, would that be nice and happy? |
| 07:36.46 | glass | ameng: well if you had some way to access the filesystem without that.. |
| 07:37.05 | lbt | rm_you: the most evil : picking a flower for no reason |
| 07:37.11 | rm_you | lol |
| 07:37.17 | Stskeeps | rm_you: i would be happy, :P |
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| 07:37.44 | lbt | it seems reasonable to 'replace' or 'conflict' though |
| 07:37.57 | rm_you | ok |
| 07:38.03 | rm_you | so, that would be ok? |
| 07:38.05 | XTLi | Writing a zoning law requiring all flowers be replaced with rhododendrons |
| 07:38.43 | XTLi | Actuallly I probably approve of it. |
| 07:38.50 | rm_you | those are particularly obnoxious to spell >_> |
| 07:39.10 | XTLi | Adv bl, not rhododendrons |
| 07:39.20 | rm_you | lol |
| 07:39.24 | rm_you | :P |
| 07:40.29 | Stskeeps | http://rafb.net/p/Ldd68E59.html <- am i right in assuming noticing the use of IW_POWER_MULTICAST_R in wlancond would make it possible to do maemo-like power saving for wifi in debian, using "just" wireless-tools? |
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| 07:56.40 | joyious | glass:if i reflash the N810, will it change the data in /media/mmc2 |
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| 07:57.11 | glass | joyious: dunno, might not, probably not |
| 07:59.01 | rm_you | joyious: it should not. |
| 07:59.05 | melmoth | it never did change the content of my memory card here |
| 07:59.13 | joyious | thanks guys |
| 08:00.14 | joyious | I'll try that, but reflash the whole system only for a config file is not that good idea |
| 08:01.19 | GeneralAntilles | Don't break important config files then. :) |
| 08:01.41 | GeneralAntilles | Either that, or get yourself some sort of recovery method so you don't have to reflash when you do. |
| 08:03.05 | XTLi | Don't the backups usually go there? |
| 08:03.25 | XTLi | Would be fun if a reflash blew the backups away |
| 08:04.03 | joyious | how to make a backup? |
| 08:04.40 | joyious | make it as a image and reflash with it other than the original one ? |
| 08:04.48 | GeneralAntilles | XTLi, flashing doesn't touch the cards. |
| 08:05.13 | XTLi | Yes, that's what I mean |
| 08:07.22 | joyious | GeneralAntilles: any other way for recovery ? if the whole system can not start up |
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| 08:08.09 | GAN800 | Install fanoush's initfs with usbnet recovery or keep a second bootable partition on one of the cards. |
| 08:11.34 | joyious | can we access the filesystem with this "fanoush's initfs with usbnet recovery" from PC then? |
| 08:12.32 | rm_you | yes, but... |
| 08:12.46 | rm_you | unfortunately you need to have the tablet booted up to flash it, i believe? |
| 08:12.58 | rm_you | or can you do it with flasher-3.0? |
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| 08:13.57 | joyious | i check the start up progress , it's almost 100%, the config i changed is just a fontconfig for init |
| 08:14.10 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, sure, you just need the jffs2 image. |
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| 08:15.27 | joyious | GeneralAntilles, you mean i can just reflash the jffs2 image with flasher-3.0 |
| 08:15.31 | rm_you | i hafta watch TV now <_< |
| 08:15.41 | rm_you | bbl |
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| 08:18.27 | darkterror46 | greetings |
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| 08:20.29 | Addison | Greetings all! |
| 08:22.28 | Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/cfdisk.deb <- if anyone wants a cfdisk package |
| 08:22.46 | Stskeeps | (requires libncurses and libslang2) |
| 08:22.49 | Addison | What is cfdisk? |
| 08:23.00 | Stskeeps | it's a partitioner that doesn't suck like sfdisk |
| 08:23.01 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 08:23.08 | Stskeeps | (libncurses5, sorry) |
| 08:23.27 | Addison | Well, all I know how to do is suck, so that's probably not for me. :) |
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| 08:24.40 | XTLi | From the MS-DOS school of UI design :) |
| 08:25.09 | Addison | Hey, I'm looking for the resident genius that can find me a 7x13 font in .ttf format. |
| 08:25.15 | Addison | Any takers? |
| 08:25.29 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, think you could package that up for Extras? |
| 08:25.48 | Addison | I promise to write a song about you if you can find such a font. |
| 08:26.05 | Stskeeps | GAN800: possibly.. it's a bit of a hacky package though - util-linux package from armel stripped down and dependancies changed to match maemo libs |
| 08:26.18 | Stskeeps | it works 100% though |
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| 08:26.59 | Stskeeps | doesn't extras require building from source? |
| 08:27.13 | GAN800 | It does. |
| 08:27.42 | Stskeeps | cos that might be difficult since someone in here stated util-linux broke when trying to compile it under sb or something |
| 08:28.08 | XTLi | You modified the binary .deb? |
| 08:28.37 | Addison | Okay, pop quiz. How can I possibly find a 7x13 font in .ttf format? |
| 08:28.38 | Stskeeps | XTLi: extracted it using dpkg-deb -e & -x, stripped it down and added better Depends: and modified it so it works with maemo :P |
| 08:28.40 | Addison | Anyone? |
| 08:29.12 | XTLi | Addison: converter and some X font? |
| 08:29.28 | Stskeeps | in any case i'm going to use it for nit-debian so we can add a partitioner step and a mkfs step :P |
| 08:30.11 | Addison | Hey XTLi, I have no idea what you just said. It was almost like reading Sputnik. I'm a complete newbie, anychance you could point me in a certain direction |
| 08:30.16 | Addison | ? |
| 08:30.24 | XTLi | -misc-fixed <3 |
| 08:31.00 | XTLi | Addison: honestly, I don't really know what you want either :) |
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| 08:31.31 | Addison | I'm just looking for a 7x13 font. I couldn't care less on how it looks, the size is all that matters. |
| 08:31.39 | Addison | Does that make any sense? |
| 08:32.26 | Addison | This font is for Xterminal only if that helps anyone. |
| 08:34.07 | Addison | Well, I'm growing tired of how stupid I am, I think I need to pass out right about now. |
| 08:34.13 | Addison | Have a good night everyone! |
| 08:34.18 | Addison | See ya! |
| 08:34.19 | XTLi | http://www.ank.com.ar/fonts/ |
| 08:35.25 | befr0d | heh, he missed it |
| 08:36.13 | XTLi | So no song? :( |
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| 09:11.02 | jackg | hi guys~I want to know how to stream to linux pc from the N800's webcam ~thanks~ |
| 09:14.20 | tank-man | jackg, i think there was an incomplete app called peakaboo that was based on vlc that did that. dont know if it was completeed |
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| 09:16.09 | jackg | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:16.20 | XTLi | There is some gstreamer tutorial at IBM |
| 09:16.27 | XTLi | IIRC |
| 09:16.49 | XTLi | Searching for maemo and camera I hit that once |
| 09:17.07 | tank-man | is this to spy on the girls locker room? |
| 09:17.09 | tank-man | :) |
| 09:17.17 | tank-man | in |
| 09:17.39 | XTLi | I wasnted a commandline or otherwise nongui camera app that doesnt slug along updating the screen |
| 09:18.09 | jackg | I know ~but gst-launch 's plug-ins is different from the pc~so it is different to match this plug-ins |
| 09:18.16 | XTLi | And on 810 require acrobatics in pointing the cam away from yourself |
| 09:18.38 | macoute | jackg: excuse me, but are you trying to make your messages harder to read on purpose? |
| 09:19.04 | macoute | there is no need at all to write strange characters when ircing |
| 09:19.05 | jackg | no~my english is poor~sorry |
| 09:19.34 | macoute | theres nothing wrong with your english but the tildes (~) :) |
| 09:19.40 | XTLi | Just say jaja and it'll be okay |
| 09:19.44 | gomiam | macoute: no, he's writing from Japan, probably, so instead of writing dots his keyboard uses ~ as sentence separator :- |
| 09:19.45 | gomiam | :-D |
| 09:20.01 | macoute | gomiam: ok :) |
| 09:20.14 | macoute | so he is not trying to make his messages harder to read on purpose ;) |
| 09:20.21 | jackg | i mean gstream 's gst-launch has many version ~ So it is diffcult to match these between them |
| 09:20.48 | gomiam | macoute: well, what can I say, I tend to believe people don't try to bother each other on purpose (in the beginning, at least) |
| 09:21.45 | tank-man | jackg, here is what I was talking about, http://peekaboo.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 09:21.53 | tank-man | but I could not get it to work |
| 09:21.55 | jackg | it is different between pc and n800 about the gst-launch |
| 09:22.13 | jackg | thanks again |
| 09:23.55 | gomiam | macoute: actually, my traceroute to jackg points to his possibly being in China. |
| 09:24.14 | tank-man | you guys are talking like he isnt here, just ask him |
| 09:24.35 | gomiam | tank-man: but that's not so much fun as tracerouting and WHOISing ;-) |
| 09:24.36 | XTLi | Where's the fun in that? |
| 09:24.47 | jackg | I come from china~welcome |
| 09:25.07 | darkterror46 | :-D |
| 09:25.20 | XTLi | \o/ |
| 09:25.32 | gomiam | jackg: exactly from the Beijing province (or at least you are connected to the Beijing Province network) |
| 09:25.45 | gomiam | O:-) |
| 09:26.02 | jackg | yes i am a student from beijing |
| 09:26.42 | gomiam | I find it interesting there are Maemo users out there. jackg, are you somehow related to that new project that tries to bring Chinese-Japanese ideogram recognition to the Maemo platform? |
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| 09:30.17 | jackg | I am researching the Product and develop the new function~it is interesting that i mean it is the platform that we study each other~ |
| 09:30.18 | jackg | so the knowledge is no Borders |
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| 09:57.10 | sbaturzio | Aloha! |
| 10:03.24 | Jaffa | is sat in a company wide presentation on someone doing Business Process Opttimisation at a client. Very yawnsome. |
| 10:06.16 | aquatix | Jaffa: -> n8x0 surfing! |
| 10:10.10 | Jaffa | yup Â:) |
| 10:10.30 | Jaffa | and doodles/hangman with colleagues |
| 10:10.37 | aquatix | :) |
| 10:10.40 | Jaffa | oh, and buzzword bingo |
| 10:10.47 | aquatix | of course ;) |
| 10:11.12 | Jaffa | Worst so far, "solutionising" |
| 10:11.14 | hrw|guadec | morning |
| 10:11.24 | Jaffa | lo hrw|guadec |
| 10:11.41 | Jaffa | guadec good? |
| 10:11.55 | aquatix | Jaffa: hah |
| 10:12.16 | hrw|guadec | Jaffa: yes |
| 10:12.23 | hrw|guadec | but a bit too much parties ;) |
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| 10:12.47 | Jaffa | hrw|guadec: heh |
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| 10:13.53 | lcuk_work | jaffa, i bet you aren't brave enough to jump up and shout "House!" |
| 10:14.18 | lcuk_work | and I hope you are doodling in liqbase ;) |
| 10:14.24 | Jaffa | lcuk_work: you'd be correct: I want a promotion in November ;-) |
| 10:14.50 | lcuk_work | then Mr Jaffa what are you doing chatting instead of listening |
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| 10:14.57 | Jaffa | admits to not having had time to try it yet |
| 10:15.02 | lcuk_work | tsktsk |
| 10:15.09 | Jaffa | lcuk_work: making notes ;-) |
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| 10:17.49 | lcuk_work | jaffa, hack into the projector and put a subliminal message on it "Jaffa deserves the promotion" "Equal opportunities for oranges" |
| 10:18.02 | Jaffa | :) |
| 10:18.03 | lardman | ~lart cars with no spare wheel |
| 10:18.03 | infobot | DoSes cars with no spare wheel |
| 10:18.14 | lcuk_work | :S lardman thats not good |
| 10:18.27 | lcuk_work | intentionally no spare, or not replaced |
| 10:18.34 | Jaffa | lardman: problems? |
| 10:18.48 | lardman | intentional, no space for the spare due to exhaust, etc. |
| 10:19.06 | XTLi | Smart |
| 10:19.07 | lcuk_work | :S lardman that sucks |
| 10:19.08 | Jaffa | 's Touran has no spare but has a puncture repair kit :-/ |
| 10:19.11 | lardman | Jaffa: couldn't get into the house last night and had a puncture |
| 10:19.32 | Jaffa | lardman: ouch |
| 10:19.43 | lcuk_work | we had some scally steal the back wheel from our peugeot - caught him in progess and he left his proper peugeot jack and spanner set - he got away with the wheel though |
| 10:19.55 | lardman | is loath to spray the foam in just to drive to a garage, will wait for gf to give me a lift this arvo |
| 10:20.05 | lcuk_work | lardman - ohhhh it wasnt your door that was punctured - i did wonder |
| 10:20.16 | lardman | lcuk_work: I thought you were joking :P |
| 10:20.25 | lcuk_work | :P... |
| 10:21.02 | lcuk_work | what car is it? |
| 10:21.35 | lardman | My car has a jack, but the normal bolts & locking wheel nut are different sizes and it doesn't have an adaptor, silly design |
| 10:21.43 | lardman | Clio 182 |
| 10:21.55 | lardman | Renault |
| 10:22.20 | lcuk_work | i thought it was required to have an emergency wheel, obviously not |
| 10:22.30 | lardman | it has foam |
| 10:23.19 | lcuk_work | its a bit useless if the tire rips |
| 10:24.01 | lcuk_work | :D last time i had a puncture i had to get AA out. i snapped my wheelwrench |
| 10:24.09 | lcuk_work | doesnt know his own strength |
| 10:24.12 | lardman | lol |
| 10:24.43 | lcuk_work | some people would put it down to metal fatigue, but i know its cos ive got the REAL ULTIMATE POWER |
| 10:25.00 | lardman | lol x2 |
| 10:25.16 | XTLi | ! |
| 10:26.03 | XTLi | Those sheetmetal wrenches are ridiculous |
| 10:26.17 | lcuk_work | lardman, on topic, i think ill have a package by the end of this weekend and i can get back onto serious coding |
| 10:27.43 | lcuk_work | heh im not the only one http://107codf.blogspot.com/2007/09/new-wrench-needed.html |
| 10:28.41 | lcuk_work | back later |
| 10:28.47 | lardman | lcuk_work: cu later |
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| 10:34.15 | rm_you | ok, more people here, yay |
| 10:34.22 | rm_you | so, need opinions |
| 10:35.59 | rm_you | we've been toying with the idea of completely replacing the original Display Control Panel applet. Assuming we replicate 100% of the original applet's functionality in the new one, and replace it properly (using 'conflict' or 'replace' in the dependencies of the new one), does that sound reasonable? |
| 10:36.44 | XTLi | Make it so. |
| 10:36.45 | rm_you | there was some concern voiced... *shakes fist at GeneralAntilles* ... that people might not like that |
| 10:37.08 | rm_you | so I'm trying to find out if doing something like that is reasonable :P |
| 10:38.39 | melmoth | opinion=as long as 1) i can switch back to the previous state, 2) am alerted installing something will result in an given applet being remove.., then i think it s ok. |
| 10:41.49 | zap | rm_you: why not keep the old package name, then just don't tell anybody it's a replacement, present it as a 'upgrade' |
| 10:42.02 | zap | is all for progress |
| 10:42.17 | rm_you | rofl |
| 10:42.26 | rm_you | k |
| 10:43.24 | Jaffa | rm_you: might need to be careful of osso-software-version and SSU |
| 10:43.32 | rm_you | yeah... |
| 10:43.51 | zap | will it require everybody to move to version-unlocked? :) |
| 10:44.17 | rm_you | possibly >_> i'm not sure quite how that works |
| 10:44.19 | XTLi | Provides: the right version? |
| 10:44.33 | zap | does it work? |
| 10:44.54 | konttori | Well, possibly, you could also do a dirty hack and replace the existing applet in the postinst of your app. |
| 10:45.04 | zap | as far as I've seen Provides: may contain only package name, version is ignored imho |
| 10:45.13 | konttori | then prerm could also have the 'put the original back to place ' functionality |
| 10:45.17 | rm_you | konttori: that was my original thought, but that was compared with kicking puppies and other vicious things |
| 10:45.18 | XTLi | might be |
| 10:45.43 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles basically just put his foot down against that one :P |
| 10:45.51 | konttori | rm_you: yeah, but otoh, it's pretty nice way to make it easy for the end users |
| 10:45.51 | rm_you | but it would be so easy... so very, very easy... |
| 10:46.01 | XTLi | Touching package managed binaries outside their install shouls set off klaxons |
| 10:46.02 | konttori | rm_you: I would do it that way myself |
| 10:46.10 | rm_you | yeah... |
| 10:46.12 | rm_you | THOUGH |
| 10:46.21 | rm_you | i can just edit the .desktop file for the applet |
| 10:46.25 | rm_you | don't have to touch the binary |
| 10:46.34 | XTLi | Bring in ED-209's |
| 10:46.50 | hrw|guadec | bye |
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| 10:47.11 | XTLi | I wonder if a .desktop is considered a conf file |
| 10:48.03 | XTLi | This calls for... |
| 10:48.16 | XTLi | update-alternatives! |
| 10:49.12 | zap | update-alternatives is for binary filez |
| 10:49.29 | rm_you | lol but, does maemo even use that? |
| 10:49.45 | lcuk_work | sorry guys, its been nice knowing you. my missus is gonna kill me later (and im gone again now) |
| 10:50.11 | rm_you | :( later lcuk |
| 10:50.18 | rm_you | or possibly not >_> |
| 10:50.26 | zap | :) |
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| 10:52.10 | wnd | update-alternatives isn't only for executables, but also used for manual pages |
| 10:55.03 | zap | hurray, my ssh key on garage finally got updated |
| 10:55.10 | rm_you | :P |
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| 10:58.03 | t_s_o | hmm, i cant recall that the "exit offline mode" dialog would ask twice at times and den give me the select network dialog |
| 10:58.19 | lcuk_work2 | rm_you, just read back your thing about replacing the original brightness applet. maybe a better compromise would be to automatically disable them as part of your installation |
| 10:59.02 | lcuk_work2 | if people install yours and dont like it and want original, if you replace the existing isnt there the chance they would be left with NO way to control these things |
| 11:00.00 | rm_you | lcuk_work: that's why i think i'll just change something in the .desktop |
| 11:00.28 | rm_you | worst case scenario, my uninstall script breaks, they have to go in and edit that one file and change one word... inconvenient, but not horrible |
| 11:01.14 | lcuk_work2 | by the way, ask jott or others about how to correctly do the sudoers thing - your postinst script just appends at the moment doesnt it without locking |
| 11:01.15 | wnd | if you want to "temporarily" replace files in other packages, there's always dpkg-divert |
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| 11:02.07 | lcuk_work2 | rm_you: maybe that will work though, but assume users dont have root nor access to be able to edit any system support files |
| 11:02.56 | rm_you | then i give them a deb to fix it? >_> |
| 11:03.43 | lcuk_work2 | so people may have to install something to uninstall something... neat |
| 11:03.52 | lcuk_work2 | :P |
| 11:04.10 | lcuk_work2 | lets see if tracy is watching |
| 11:04.17 | lcuk_work2 | lcuk_work hey darling |
| 11:05.00 | zap | something like canola-clear or how it was called |
| 11:05.16 | zap | I remember installed it because I couldn't understand it's description |
| 11:05.23 | rm_you | lol |
| 11:05.26 | zap | and voila.... canola gone out automagically :) |
| 11:05.34 | lcuk_work2 | it wouldnt be the first time, but dont things like that end up in the installed apps list? |
| 11:06.00 | lcuk_work2 | and if you uninstall the clear tool does it restore the stuff you aimed to remove |
| 11:06.12 | rm_you | no |
| 11:06.26 | zap | I'd kill people for such packages |
| 11:06.26 | rm_you | because the entirety of the work would have been done with like... sed, in a post-inst |
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| 11:06.36 | wnd | I'd expect a "clean up" package to conflict and replace with packages and question, and do the clean-up stuff in post-inst |
| 11:06.46 | crashanddie | lcuk_work2, did you just talk to yourself in the hope the better part of ya was watching IRC and would answer ? |
| 11:07.00 | zap | cleanup packages must die, they will clutter the app manager |
| 11:07.03 | wnd | s/replace with packages in/replace the packages in/ |
| 11:07.17 | wnd | sighs |
| 11:07.24 | crashanddie | excepted that a package that deletes another packages can't exist with autobuilder |
| 11:07.55 | rm_you | doesnt matter |
| 11:07.57 | wnd | autobuilder can't handle building multiple mtas? |
| 11:07.59 | zap | hopes nobody will port gcompris to diablo |
| 11:08.15 | crashanddie | or, maybe it could, but it would be ironic, considering the removal package would require a dependency to the package it wants to remove |
| 11:08.27 | rm_you | not necessarily |
| 11:09.08 | rm_you | the fix would be a one liner sed command... it could run on the altered file or a perfectly fine file that doesnt need fixing, and it would only change the broken file |
| 11:09.33 | lcuk_work2 | \o/ |
| 11:09.40 | rm_you | so it wouldn't even need to care whether or not the package was installed previously |
| 11:09.42 | lcuk_work2 | or however i do an angry one |
| 11:10.02 | zap | rm_you: do control panel applets have a .desktop file? |
| 11:10.17 | zap | aren't they just .so files or something like that? |
| 11:10.18 | crashanddie | lcuk_work2, .|.. -_- ..|. |
| 11:10.26 | rm_you | zap: yes they do |
| 11:10.27 | crashanddie | lcuk_work2, that's angry |
| 11:10.33 | lcuk_work2 | crashanddie: she in on my home pc now, and i just asked her if she had seen. she said yer i thort it was a bit odd maybe a foreign gay geek lover or somethin |
| 11:11.00 | rm_you | lol |
| 11:11.08 | crashanddie | isn't that me ? |
| 11:11.14 | crashanddie | The foreign geek gay lover ? |
| 11:11.17 | lcuk_work2 | lol must be |
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| 11:11.57 | zap | by the way, update-alternatives is used |
| 11:12.04 | rm_you | ah |
| 11:12.05 | lcuk_work2 | it feels strange to use web based irc again |
| 11:12.08 | rm_you | well, possible |
| 11:12.29 | lcuk_work2 | anyway, i must vanish got dinner to munch - cyas alter |
| 11:12.29 | crashanddie | lcuk_work2, xchat on the NIT ? |
| 11:12.31 | rm_you | i guess i could use that to swap out the .desktop file? |
| 11:12.38 | lcuk_work2 | no |
| 11:12.40 | zap | rm_you: http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2006/09/concise-guide-to-update-alternatives.html |
| 11:12.59 | lcuk_work2 | lcuk_work cya soon tracy :) (K) |
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| 11:21.06 | Vlad | hello to all! |
| 11:21.14 | crashanddie | http://slexy.org/view/s22ehsIAMC <-- that's just sad |
| 11:21.26 | Vlad | can any one help me to setup cdma dun? |
| 11:21.52 | zap | rm_you: it looks like for update-alternative to work, both packages must be prepared ahead of time |
| 11:22.07 | Vlad | my short discrition is http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=201305#post201305 |
| 11:23.32 | zap | rm_you: the approach with patching the .desktop file has the downside that when you'll upgrade diablo, it will upgrade the .desktop file too |
| 11:25.32 | rm_you | chances of them releasing a new version of the package that includes that control panel applet? ridiculously low. almost zero. even if they do, you just reinstall my package... |
| 11:26.05 | zap | Diablo is promised to be the first ITOS version which will upgrade flawlessly via apt-get upgrade |
| 11:26.43 | zap | so that'll inevitably happen on next OS upgrade |
| 11:26.54 | rm_you | maybe >_> |
| 11:27.17 | rm_you | anyway, i'll have a new package out by the for them to seamlessly upgrade to :) |
| 11:27.23 | aquatix | lcuk_work: liqbase is cool :) |
| 11:27.25 | aquatix | installed the zip |
| 11:27.36 | aquatix | is it correct the game doesn't work yet? |
| 11:28.04 | zap | rm_you: what if you "get hit by a bus"? :-) |
| 11:28.21 | rm_you | then jott will do it |
| 11:28.37 | zap | what if he gets hired by m$? |
| 11:28.48 | rm_you | then REINSTALL THE PACKAGE :P |
| 11:29.05 | zap | or rather, uninstall before upgrade |
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| 11:30.29 | aquatix | lcuk_work: or the Physics Sym |
| 11:32.51 | rm_you | no need to uninstall |
| 11:33.03 | rm_you | reinstalling would re-run the sed script and fix the .desktop file |
| 11:33.09 | zap | sad, I see no clean way to do it. If you "alternativise" osso-applet-display during install of your package, you hit the same problem when osso-applet-display upgrades |
| 11:34.30 | Vlad | sorry for disturb will try later |
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| 11:36.59 | aquatix | hm, advanced-backlight still crashes the environment on reload |
| 11:37.09 | rm_you | clean-est would prolly be something like this for the install: sed -i cpdisplay.desktop 's/cpdisplay.so/advanced-display.so/' |
| 11:37.40 | aquatix | btw, where does the maemo menu store its info? |
| 11:37.41 | rm_you | aquatix: if you don't unload it before you install the new version, yes |
| 11:37.47 | rm_you | that will happen with almost any applet |
| 11:37.57 | rm_you | you're technically advised to reboot :) |
| 11:38.00 | aquatix | i want to get rid of the rapsody entry that somehow sticks around |
| 11:38.02 | aquatix | rm_you: ah, k |
| 11:38.10 | aquatix | feh, reboots ;) |
| 11:38.22 | rm_you | :P |
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| 11:38.35 | lcuk_work | aquatix, the game is my ongoing test lab, the "pysics sim" requires sketches to do things with. the zip contains a folder (_apg) which if you follow the instructions will put a couple of example sketches in there. every time you go into "do some drawing" and draw something its saved when you Escape out |
| 11:38.37 | rm_you | aquatix: like the new version? :P |
| 11:38.50 | lcuk_work | physics ^ |
| 11:39.05 | aquatix | lcuk_work: oh duh, i just created an empty _apg |
| 11:39.08 | lcuk_work | the physics shows the first 90 sketches and lets you play and resize them |
| 11:39.11 | aquatix | facepalms |
| 11:39.12 | crashanddie | one step forward, two steps backwards |
| 11:39.50 | aquatix | rm_you: ah, looks nice |
| 11:39.53 | lcuk_work | i shouldnt have called it "game" really - "thar be dragons" |
| 11:40.01 | aquatix | really tiny font for the Brightness and Volume labels though |
| 11:40.08 | aquatix | lcuk_work: ghehe |
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| 11:40.21 | rm_you | aquatix: lol yeah |
| 11:40.27 | rm_you | but you know what they are :P |
| 11:40.35 | lcuk_work | if you do infact copy the sketches from the example thing then game shows a little bit more |
| 11:40.46 | rm_you | before they didn't say anything at all, and people understood :P |
| 11:41.03 | lcuk_work | should really expand on the proper insoftware documentaiton |
| 11:41.11 | crashanddie | does anyone know who packaged gstreamer for maemo ? |
| 11:41.15 | rm_you | oh, there's a known bug with the current version, wherein if you jump directly to maximum backlight, it will not update |
| 11:41.29 | rm_you | so just don't :P |
| 11:41.36 | rm_you | jump to one less than max :)( |
| 11:41.46 | crashanddie | lcuk_work, one line of code, 3 lines of doc |
| 11:41.48 | aquatix | lcuk_work: ah, now it makes more sense |
| 11:41.52 | aquatix | copied the _apg files |
| 11:41.55 | crashanddie | :D |
| 11:41.58 | lcuk_work | rm_you, could you PLEASEEE add a "MOAR Brightness" button so you can press it and use n810 as a torch at night? |
| 11:41.58 | XTLi | You could also make a package to kill all those closed demo installers |
| 11:42.12 | XTLi | Sounds like it would be well-liked |
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| 11:43.09 | lcuk_work | is redesigning the whole sketching ui |
| 11:43.23 | lcuk_work | thats basically what "game" is the test for |
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| 11:43.54 | rm_you | heh, torch :P |
| 11:44.11 | XTLi | Flame on! |
| 11:44.12 | rm_you | torch is british for flashlight :) wheee |
| 11:44.20 | rm_you | wow that is too amusing |
| 11:44.21 | aquatix | 13:41:36 birds entering main loop |
| 11:44.21 | aquatix | 13:42:36 Unknown event 33, let me know what happened at liquid@gmail.com |
| 11:44.22 | rm_you | i should sleep |
| 11:44.23 | aquatix | hm |
| 11:44.35 | rm_you | lol i did wonder about those birds |
| 11:45.00 | lcuk_work | lol heh, you eatiher pressed your home button or you let the screen saver/dim thing come on |
| 11:45.14 | aquatix | ah, dim |
| 11:45.21 | aquatix | that'd be it |
| 11:45.23 | lcuk_work | i run away screaming like a mad thing at the first sign of something i dont know how to handle |
| 11:45.43 | lcuk_work | i would rather do that than have it running and you not be able to do anything |
| 11:45.46 | aquatix | :) |
| 11:46.37 | lcuk_work | is actually thinking that putting email address there wasnt the brightest idea ;) but at least i know people are using it |
| 11:48.09 | XTLi | Should have put in @mailinator.com address and subscribed the feed |
| 11:48.55 | lcuk_work | XTLi, nahhhh |
| 11:49.02 | lardman|gone | time to fix my tyre :( |
| 11:49.14 | crashanddie | lcuk_work, I told you that some time ago already :P |
| 11:49.17 | lcuk_work | are you taking the wheel to garage lardman|gone |
| 11:49.21 | crashanddie | lcuk_work, you're just warming up old jokes :P |
| 11:49.29 | lcuk_work | crashanddie, i know that and thats the same answer i gave then |
| 11:49.47 | crashanddie | does anyone know who packaged gstreamer for maemo ? |
| 11:49.49 | lcuk_work | puts them on the griddle |
| 11:50.54 | lcuk_work | crashanddie, you? |
| 11:51.18 | crashanddie | well |
| 11:51.23 | crashanddie | only with dependency hell :P |
| 11:51.44 | lcuk_work | as a visual basic developer i feel your pain :) |
| 11:52.26 | lcuk_work | im goin, back alter |
| 11:52.52 | crashanddie | AH |
| 11:52.53 | crashanddie | HURRAY |
| 11:53.04 | crashanddie | well |
| 11:53.07 | crashanddie | yet another step forward |
| 11:53.12 | crashanddie | be prepared to fly back again :-° |
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| 11:58.45 | boolean | morning |
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| 12:00.37 | rm_you | sleeps |
| 12:01.40 | msh_ | has anyone seen problems where apt seems to hang (running ldconfig) when installing g stuff in the armel sdk? |
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| 12:02.16 | msh_ | (ldconfig using 100% cpu) |
| 12:02.54 | aquatix | rm_you: nn |
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| 12:04.03 | boolean | hmm .. the dot above the wireless icon ( applet? ) signifies what exactly? |
| 12:04.18 | lopz | hola |
| 12:04.24 | Ave | ad hoc? |
| 12:04.37 | Ave | its in the manual afaicr |
| 12:04.57 | boolean | didnt see ... time to rtfm |
| 12:05.04 | crashanddie | w00t w00t |
| 12:05.11 | crashanddie | and 3 steps back |
| 12:05.12 | crashanddie | :D |
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| 12:07.03 | aquatix | crashanddie: ? |
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| 12:16.25 | crashanddie | Jaffa, you around ? |
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| 12:22.05 | crashanddie | anyway |
| 12:22.09 | crashanddie | time for coffee break |
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| 12:28.43 | boolean | ok the user guide does not have any mention of what the do above the icon mean ... any other docs I should be looking at? |
| 12:29.21 | boolean | s/icon/wireless icon |
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| 12:33.33 | aquatix | boolean: it means `ad-hoc wifi connection' |
| 12:33.44 | aquatix | not sure what you want to know about that? |
| 12:35.56 | boolean | hmm ... |
| 12:36.21 | boolean | thanks |
| 12:36.43 | boolean | is missing something ... time to rtfm |
| 12:36.53 | aquatix | google ad-hoc wifi ;) |
| 12:38.09 | boolean | heh that is what I am doing |
| 12:38.23 | boolean | our city offers free public wireless but in ad-hoc mode |
| 12:38.40 | macoute | boolean: it shouldnt matter basically |
| 12:38.57 | macoute | if you have an ad hoc and not an infrastrcuture one |
| 12:39.16 | boolean | well each time I try to connect to an ad-hoc network, there is no IP associated |
| 12:39.48 | macoute | have you tried setting it manually? |
| 12:39.53 | boolean | thus dont I have to pre-config the setup? |
| 12:40.08 | boolean | that is what I thought .. |
| 12:40.24 | macoute | though there should be an dhcpd somewhere in the network... |
| 12:40.35 | aquatix | boolean: you might want to check the docs of the network |
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| 12:40.57 | boolean | macoute: that is what I thought |
| 12:41.03 | boolean | checking docs now |
| 12:41.35 | macoute | but i very much wonder if theyd setup a free wlan-network without a dhcp-server |
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| 12:46.52 | aquatix | ad-hoc seems odd though |
| 12:47.07 | boolean | very |
| 12:47.35 | boolean | well I am going through their website ... the public wifi requires login |
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| 12:48.03 | macoute | but most of the time it works so that first you get the ip, second you login :) |
| 12:48.13 | macoute | its kinda hard to login without an ip address :o |
| 12:48.19 | aquatix | voodoo |
| 12:48.25 | aquatix | tcp-over-voodoo |
| 12:48.27 | macoute | or maybe you need to register your devices mac? |
| 12:48.32 | macoute | mac address |
| 12:48.39 | Stskeeps | anyone here who uses debian on n8x0 but can't use it full time cos of the bad wifi power? |
| 12:49.34 | macoute | id say everyone who has an n8x0+debian has the same problem :) |
| 12:49.45 | macoute | or whatever wlan-client :) |
| 12:49.59 | macoute | i cant even use my laptop all the time because of the bad wifi signal |
| 12:50.09 | lopz | Hello, you think that this GPS? https: / / buy.garmin.com / shop / shop.do? pid = 423 #, O is very expensive? What I want to use with N800, or GPS which I recommend? |
| 12:50.11 | Stskeeps | well i mean the fact the power saving doesn't work well :) |
| 12:50.31 | macoute | lopz: your url is kinda fucked up |
| 12:50.34 | aquatix | lopz: why the spaces? how can we copy/paste the url now :) |
| 12:50.49 | lopz | https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?pID=423# |
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| 12:50.51 | lopz | haha ok, I sorry |
| 12:51.23 | aquatix | hm, i think it's rather expensive, but it looks nice |
| 12:51.58 | lopz | yep, ~100 USD o_O |
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| 12:53.31 | Gracana | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:55.08 | boolean | macoute: no mention of mac registration |
| 12:55.48 | lopz | Gracana, haha |
| 12:56.09 | lopz | what use GPS with their n8x0? |
| 12:59.23 | pupnik | i use it when hiking |
| 13:01.49 | lopz | hiking ? |
| 13:02.39 | pupnik | walking in the forest |
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| 13:11.12 | crashanddie | Jaffa, I order to you to APPEAR ! |
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| 13:13.28 | pupnik | http://web.archive.org/web/20050105015145/http://www.geocities.com/steerp1ke/David_Ehi.html chulhu nigerian spam baiting - a classic |
| 13:15.16 | lardman | hey pupnik, where's this email about sb emu...? ;) |
| 13:16.18 | pupnik | points to development box unplugged in corner of room |
| 13:16.39 | lardman | poor box :( |
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| 13:26.37 | Stupid | Hey |
| 13:26.45 | Stupid | I'm really new here |
| 13:26.52 | Stupid | But i really really need a hand |
| 13:27.02 | crashanddie | gives Stupid a hand |
| 13:27.07 | Stupid | lol |
| 13:27.25 | Stupid | I have a nokia n810 and I just updated it using the windows updater |
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| 13:27.39 | Stupid | but now i can't get a connection to my wlan |
| 13:28.59 | crashanddie | Stupid, does your router use "intelligent channel detection" ? |
| 13:29.00 | melmoth | if you used the backup tool before updating , you should be able to reset your wifi settings |
| 13:29.35 | Stupid | I have, but still all it'll say is no connection available |
| 13:29.53 | Stupid | i'm on the connection now with my laptop so i know it's working |
| 13:30.11 | Stupid | but the tablet won't pick it up |
| 13:30.25 | Stupid | it picked up my naibours once... |
| 13:30.28 | crashanddie | Stupid, let me ask that again, does your router use "intelligent channel detection" ? |
| 13:30.39 | Stupid | um... |
| 13:30.56 | Stupid | if i knew what that was I'd let you know :D |
| 13:31.02 | crashanddie | Stupid, I've had a few networks that didn't show up (just *didn't* show up) |
| 13:31.04 | Stupid | I'm really new to all tis |
| 13:31.05 | brontide | crashanddie: fyi, I've been doing wifi for years and I've never heard of it before |
| 13:31.32 | crashanddie | intelligent channel detection is when the router decides which channel to use (in order to get the best signal possible, without interference from other wifi networks) |
| 13:31.52 | brontide | crashanddie: and I use it on every wifi ap that I own |
| 13:31.59 | brontide | without a hitch from the nokia |
| 13:32.08 | Stupid | sorry but that still means very little to me... |
| 13:32.15 | Stupid | I'm a total novice |
| 13:32.17 | brontide | usually listed as automatic channel selection |
| 13:32.25 | Stupid | took me half an hour to get in here! |
| 13:32.32 | crashanddie | brontide, that's the one ! |
| 13:32.50 | crashanddie | brontide, well, I've had 3 networks where it didn't work ;) |
| 13:32.58 | brontide | Stupid: Your nokia worked under chinook but won't even see the network under diablo |
| 13:33.25 | Stupid | i thouhght my nokia wad diablo |
| 13:33.32 | Stupid | how do i make it see it? |
| 13:33.36 | Stupid | :X |
| 13:33.45 | brontide | go back to chinook? |
| 13:33.49 | crashanddie | lol |
| 13:33.56 | crashanddie | like that's a solution :D |
| 13:34.16 | brontide | the latest firmware, while better for most, is still amazingly buggy for some |
| 13:34.23 | crashanddie | brontide, well, you've been doing wifi for years, I'll let you sort this one, k ? |
| 13:34.25 | crashanddie | I'm out |
| 13:34.40 | Stupid | :'( |
| 13:34.48 | aquatix | it may be me, but diablo feels slightly less snappy; anyone else feel the same? |
| 13:34.56 | brontide | Stupid: stupid question... is this a "hidden" network? |
| 13:35.18 | Stupid | i don't think so, no |
| 13:35.29 | Stupid | it's never been hidden before |
| 13:35.41 | aquatix | Stupid: btw, you can see the version of the OS by going to the Control panel and choose About product |
| 13:36.10 | brontide | I would at least try adding the network by NOT searching, but manually plugging in the network name and security code. |
| 13:36.24 | mgedmin | aquatix: other people have said diablo feels more snappy |
| 13:36.25 | crashanddie | I'll bet $50 that won't work |
| 13:36.27 | Stupid | done that! |
| 13:36.28 | mgedmin | I think it's all in the mind |
| 13:36.32 | brontide | capitalization counts, so be careful. |
| 13:36.33 | Stupid | didn't work.... |
| 13:36.36 | Stupid | yeppy |
| 13:36.40 | mgedmin | except for panning in the browser, where diablo *is* faster |
| 13:36.41 | Stupid | got it in capitals |
| 13:36.54 | crashanddie | mgedmin, yeah, placebo I think for most |
| 13:37.20 | brontide | well then file a bug report at bugs.maemo.org and flash back to chinook where it worked |
| 13:37.20 | Stupid | 4.2008.23-14 is the version i'm running |
| 13:37.20 | aquatix | mgedmin: hm, i thought the browser felt a bit less snappy, but maybe i'm warped and drinking too much coffee ;) |
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| 13:37.26 | brontide | browser start time has been cut down 30% or more |
| 13:37.27 | aquatix | Stupid: that's diablo |
| 13:37.37 | Stupid | yay! is that good?? |
| 13:37.49 | brontide | not for you I guess |
| 13:37.50 | aquatix | guess so :) |
| 13:38.44 | Stupid | i didn't get a choice of what to update to |
| 13:38.55 | Stupid | did i do it wrong? |
| 13:39.05 | brontide | Download chinook |
| 13:39.13 | Stupid | how? |
| 13:39.13 | brontide | and flash with that firmware |
| 13:39.22 | Stupid | :S |
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| 13:40.21 | brontide | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php and pick the one before the one you have |
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| 13:41.07 | Stupid | why doesn't it work with diablo?? |
| 13:41.42 | lardman | Stupid: have you rebooted? |
| 13:41.49 | Stupid | yes |
| 13:41.59 | Stupid | and i took the battery out too for good measrue :D |
| 13:42.01 | lardman | Stupid: what does lsmod show? Are the wifi modules inserted? |
| 13:42.11 | Stupid | ok you lost me... |
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| 13:42.30 | lardman | open the xterm |
| 13:42.39 | Stupid | ok |
| 13:42.50 | lardman | "start menu" > utilities > X Terminal |
| 13:43.07 | Stupid | yeppy^^ got that |
| 13:43.17 | lardman | hmm, does sudo gainroot work without R&D mode? |
| 13:43.52 | Stupid | >.< |
| 13:43.55 | lardman | well you can't use lsmod (list modules) as you're not root |
| 13:44.11 | aquatix | not? |
| 13:44.12 | lardman | you could take a look at the dmesg output and see if you can spot any errors |
| 13:44.13 | brontide | he can't install becomeroot without network access |
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| 13:44.24 | lardman | yeah, catch 22 |
| 13:44.38 | Stupid | he?? |
| 13:44.42 | aquatix | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:44.42 | Stupid | ..... |
| 13:44.47 | brontide | sorry, presumption |
| 13:44.56 | Stupid | i'm a female :P |
| 13:45.12 | lardman | type "/sbin/lsmod" in the terminal |
| 13:45.18 | lardman | without the quotes |
| 13:45.21 | Stupid | ok^^ |
| 13:45.53 | lardman | hmm, modules are probably compiled in anyway :) |
| 13:46.10 | Stupid | i have no idea what any of this means... |
| 13:46.17 | Stupid | want me to type it? |
| 13:46.39 | lardman | yeah, go for it, see if you see something called "cx3110x" come up |
| 13:46.50 | Stupid | yeah it has |
| 13:46.58 | lardman | ok, so the driver is there |
| 13:47.29 | Stupid | that line reads: cx3110x 56200 0 - live Oxbf041000 |
| 13:47.47 | lardman | ok, so it rules out a driver issue |
| 13:47.59 | lardman | not much help for you though I'm afraid |
| 13:48.06 | Stupid | :( |
| 13:48.16 | lardman | brontide: any thoughts? |
| 13:48.28 | lardman | brontide: dmesg output? |
| 13:48.30 | brontide | flash back to a working chinook |
| 13:48.34 | lardman | hmm |
| 13:48.39 | lardman | that's just giving up though |
| 13:48.47 | Stupid | exactly :D |
| 13:49.03 | lardman | well fair enough |
| 13:49.37 | aquatix | Stupid: do other networks show up? or nothing at all? |
| 13:49.49 | Stupid | my naibours put up once or twice |
| 13:49.54 | Stupid | but now it's gone again |
| 13:50.09 | aquatix | tried rebooting your accesspoint? ;) |
| 13:50.25 | Stupid | um... no... |
| 13:50.31 | Stupid | not sure how >.< |
| 13:50.40 | lardman | except that she's using it atm with her laptop |
| 13:50.42 | aquatix | unplug it, wait for 10 secs, plug |
| 13:50.48 | aquatix | erm, hm :) |
| 13:50.51 | aquatix | missed that part |
| 13:50.53 | Stupid | then i'll loose this conection |
| 13:50.54 | lardman | :) |
| 13:50.58 | aquatix | yeah |
| 13:51.01 | aquatix | nm then |
| 13:51.04 | Stupid | hehehe |
| 13:51.16 | lardman | if the laptop can see the connection then the N8x0 ought to be able to too |
| 13:51.20 | aquatix | has seen accesspoints suddenly not having their wifi up anymore |
| 13:51.24 | aquatix | indeed |
| 13:52.13 | Stupid | but it's wifiing with my laptop :S |
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| 13:52.40 | aquatix | oh! |
| 13:52.50 | aquatix | your laptop is also broadcasting the essid? |
| 13:52.54 | aquatix | winxp i guess? |
| 13:53.00 | Stupid | essid?? |
| 13:53.05 | aquatix | name of the network |
| 13:53.08 | Stupid | yeah xp^^ |
| 13:53.12 | Stupid | oh yeah^^ |
| 13:53.19 | aquatix | hm |
| 13:53.27 | aquatix | that might interfere |
| 13:53.30 | aquatix | sec... |
| 13:53.45 | Stupid | it never has before |
| 13:54.48 | lardman | example_camera.c is ssoooooo slloooooow |
| 13:55.01 | aquatix | well, if i recall correctly, winxp sp3 or something rebroadcasts the name of your wifi network |
| 13:55.15 | aquatix | looking for a way to turn it off now |
| 13:55.22 | aquatix | on google as i don't have windows :) |
| 13:55.31 | Stupid | :S |
| 13:55.39 | Stupid | how come it's never been a problem before? |
| 13:55.42 | lardman | but if it were rebroadcast, at least something would appear in the connection dialog |
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| 13:55.48 | aquatix | *shrug* |
| 13:55.49 | Itlodance | :D |
| 13:55.53 | aquatix | erm, true |
| 13:56.15 | lardman | what's the command line tool to do a scan? |
| 13:56.18 | aquatix | meh, doing wild guesses now; but as it's setting up an ad-hoc with her laptop now... |
| 13:56.20 | lardman | iwscan? |
| 13:56.23 | aquatix | iwlist scan |
| 13:56.27 | lardman | ah |
| 13:56.33 | aquatix | need wireless-tools though |
| 13:56.46 | lardman | yeah, not installed |
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| 13:58.11 | lardman | It would be interesting, but nigh on impossible to see the output of dmesg just after you've tried to scan for connections |
| 13:58.23 | Stupid_little_ge | that's better^^ |
| 13:58.47 | lardman | Stupid_little_ge: do you have a memory card? |
| 13:58.52 | Stupid_genius | yeppy |
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| 13:59.04 | lardman | and a memory card reader in the laptop? |
| 13:59.18 | Stupid_genius | yeppy^^ |
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| 13:59.33 | lardman | Is this an N810 or an N800? |
| 13:59.44 | Stupid_genius | n810 |
| 14:00.00 | lardman | This may not help btw, if you can't be bothered then I won't be offended |
| 14:00.11 | lardman | So, everyone else, dmesg output of some use? |
| 14:00.15 | Stupid_genius | i'll do anything that won't make the problem worse :P |
| 14:00.26 | lardman | ah you won't break it, don't worry |
| 14:00.43 | Stupid_genius | that's what the guy said who told me to update it...... |
| 14:00.48 | lardman | :)) |
| 14:00.56 | lardman | well not any more broken then ;) |
| 14:01.03 | Stupid_genius | hahaha |
| 14:01.34 | lardman | Anyway, my suggestion is to output dmesg (which is a sort of log) to a text file on the memory card, stick that card in your laptop and paste the contents into pastebin.com |
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| 14:01.51 | lardman | any nays from the rest of you? |
| 14:01.53 | Stupid_genius | ok.... tell me how :D |
| 14:02.04 | lardman | in the terminal, type "mount" |
| 14:02.22 | lardman | actually you don;'t need to, it's an N810 |
| 14:02.47 | lardman | type "cd /media/mmc1" |
| 14:02.57 | lardman | (change directory to the memory card) |
| 14:03.21 | Stupid_genius | not found |
| 14:03.36 | lardman | hmm |
| 14:03.41 | lardman | is the memory card in the N810? |
| 14:03.49 | Stupid_genius | yeah |
| 14:03.51 | Stupid_genius | ;) |
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| 14:04.02 | lardman | you didn't type the quotes did you? |
| 14:04.06 | Stupid_genius | no |
| 14:04.19 | Stupid_genius | might be new to this but not that new ;) |
| 14:04.54 | lardman | did it say "-sh: cd: not found"? |
| 14:05.29 | Stupid_genius | no it said -sh: cd/media/mmc1: not found |
| 14:05.32 | summatusmentis | hmm... I'm assuming we have a borkend n810? |
| 14:05.41 | aquatix | Stupid_genius: mind the space |
| 14:05.43 | lardman | ah, put a space between the cd and the / |
| 14:05.43 | Raytray | oh space between cd /media |
| 14:05.44 | Stupid_genius | *sniff |
| 14:06.05 | Stupid_genius | no no space that was a typo |
| 14:06.15 | aquatix | ah :) |
| 14:06.41 | lardman | so it said "-sh: cd /media/mmc1: not found" ?? |
| 14:06.55 | Stupid_genius | oh wait |
| 14:06.58 | Stupid_genius | got it^^ |
| 14:07.14 | Stupid_genius | stupid keyboard doubled the letters |
| 14:07.57 | Stupid_genius | now it says: /media/mmc1 $ |
| 14:08.03 | lardman | cool |
| 14:08.11 | crashanddie | Jaffa, ? Jaffaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 14:08.13 | lardman | now try the connection dialog |
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| 14:08.34 | Stupid_genius | explian how |
| 14:08.38 | Stupid_genius | please :D |
| 14:09.01 | lardman | Stupid_genius: on the top right of the screen, there's a bar with some icons - battery, brightness, sound and a connection one |
| 14:09.01 | summatusmentis | lardman: connection dialog? |
| 14:09.08 | summatusmentis | oh |
| 14:09.14 | lardman | summatusmentis: for want of a better word |
| 14:09.25 | summatusmentis | right, how is that connected to dmesg though? |
| 14:09.34 | crashanddie | everything is connected to dmesg |
| 14:09.44 | lardman | summatusmentis: I'd like to see the dmesg output after it's tried to scan |
| 14:09.53 | Stupid_genius | connectivity settings?? |
| 14:09.54 | summatusmentis | I see |
| 14:09.58 | summatusmentis | crashanddie: touche |
| 14:10.02 | lardman | I'm not sure if the machine has been rebooted or not |
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| 14:10.13 | lardman | otoh, it may not show anything |
| 14:10.41 | crashanddie | Stupid_genius, still not seeing the network ? |
| 14:10.55 | Stupid_genius | nope |
| 14:10.58 | Stupid_genius | :( |
| 14:11.09 | crashanddie | Did you change the channel on your router ? |
| 14:11.17 | Stupid_genius | nope |
| 14:11.26 | Stupid_genius | haven't touched the rooter |
| 14:11.37 | crashanddie | sits back and wait until he sees "oh, I guess crashanddie was right all along then" |
| 14:11.41 | lardman | Stupid_genius: on the top right, next to the battery icon, there;s one that looks like an open fan, tap on that, a drop down will appear, click "connect" |
| 14:11.55 | lardman | crashanddie: reflash Chinook? ;) |
| 14:12.01 | crashanddie | no |
| 14:12.18 | crashanddie | disable automatic channel selection in the router |
| 14:12.26 | Stupid_genius | sellect connection or connectivity settings?? |
| 14:12.36 | crashanddie | select connection |
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| 14:12.55 | Stupid_genius | no connections available |
| 14:12.58 | Stupid_genius | :( |
| 14:13.02 | lardman | ok fine |
| 14:13.07 | lardman | now go back to the terminal |
| 14:13.18 | lardman | type "dmesg > dmesg.txt" |
| 14:13.20 | crashanddie | Stupid_genius, close the dialog by hitting cnacel |
| 14:13.38 | lardman | which will save the contents of the log in a file on the memory card called dmesg.txt |
| 14:14.01 | lardman | then close the terminal, pop the card out and stick it in your laptop |
| 14:14.16 | lardman | don't use notepad to open the file, choose wordpad |
| 14:14.20 | Stupid_genius | is that with spaces or with out? |
| 14:14.27 | lardman | once you've got it in front of you, let us know |
| 14:14.34 | lardman | exactly as typed |
| 14:14.39 | summatusmentis | with the spaces |
| 14:14.42 | crashanddie | yes |
| 14:14.45 | summatusmentis | shuts up |
| 14:14.46 | Stupid_genius | :D |
| 14:14.51 | lardman | dmesg space > space dmesg.txt |
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| 14:15.30 | crashanddie | where does Jaffa live ? |
| 14:16.06 | lardman | crashanddie: Cambridge way I think |
| 14:16.15 | crashanddie | hmm |
| 14:16.24 | crashanddie | so if he's not answering, it's cuz he's at work |
| 14:16.25 | crashanddie | fair enough |
| 14:16.45 | qwerty12 | JaffaMacclesfield (nr. Manchester00:14 |
| 14:16.51 | summatusmentis | that's not a valied excuse! |
| 14:16.54 | Stupid_genius | ok!! |
| 14:17.07 | Stupid_genius | i've got it infront of me^^ |
| 14:17.43 | lardman | good good |
| 14:18.00 | lardman | open the following website: http://maemo.pastebin.com/ |
| 14:18.25 | Stupid_genius | ok^^ |
| 14:18.35 | lardman | copy and paste it all into the text box |
| 14:18.36 | crashanddie | Jaffa is his real name ? |
| 14:18.45 | lardman | select "a day" for how long to keep it for |
| 14:18.46 | qwerty12 | Andrew Flegg |
| 14:18.50 | lardman | then hit send |
| 14:19.23 | Stupid_genius | done |
| 14:19.36 | crashanddie | anyone familiar with mud-builder ? |
| 14:19.39 | lardman | ang give us the url |
| 14:19.41 | summatusmentis | I can haz link plz? kthxbai |
| 14:19.54 | Stupid_genius | http://maemo.pastebin.com/d59c10343 |
| 14:20.48 | crashanddie | nothing out of the ordinary |
| 14:20.55 | Stupid_genius | :( |
| 14:21.03 | MangoFusion | mud? what mud? |
| 14:21.25 | crashanddie | Stupid_genius, that's not a bad thing, though |
| 14:21.56 | Stupid_genius | oh isn't is? |
| 14:22.08 | Stupid_genius | still doesn't fix the problem :( |
| 14:22.15 | crashanddie | lardman, mind if I kick in ? |
| 14:22.20 | lardman | go for it |
| 14:22.28 | crashanddie | rolls up sleeves |
| 14:22.31 | Stupid_genius | hehehe |
| 14:22.33 | crashanddie | Stupid_genius, ok, ready ? |
| 14:22.39 | Stupid_genius | ready :D |
| 14:22.40 | crashanddie | Stupid_genius, do you have access to your router ? |
| 14:23.00 | Stupid_genius | you mean the actual router? |
| 14:23.02 | Stupid_genius | yeah^^ |
| 14:23.24 | crashanddie | ok, go on the interface |
| 14:23.31 | Stupid_genius | ok you lost me... |
| 14:23.56 | crashanddie | Stupid_genius, double click on your network icon in windows, bottom right |
| 14:24.25 | Stupid_genius | ok^^ |
| 14:24.32 | crashanddie | Stupid_genius, go into the second tab |
| 14:24.35 | crashanddie | Stupid_genius, then click details |
| 14:24.50 | crashanddie | Stupid_genius, there should be a line that says "gateway" |
| 14:25.04 | Stupid_genius | hang on i'm not responding... |
| 14:27.04 | lardman | feels like that too sometimes :) |
| 14:27.08 | Stupid_genius | ok hang on while i start up the other computer |
| 14:27.09 | lcuk_work | ping stupid_genius |
| 14:27.19 | Stupid_genius | ahahaha |
| 14:27.27 | Stupid_genius | oh no! |
| 14:27.36 | Stupid_genius | now the other compter won't start up!! |
| 14:27.43 | Stupid_genius | why do all the computers hate me :'( |
| 14:27.57 | lardman | I've already done my good deed for the day, I'm afraid I can't help with that one! :) |
| 14:27.58 | lcuk_work | have you confirmed you havent had a power cut :P |
| 14:28.11 | Stupid_genius | ha ha ha... |
| 14:28.38 | Stupid_genius | arrrh.... i really hate computers today!! |
| 14:28.44 | lcuk_work | lardman, did you get the airwall installed in your tyre? |
| 14:28.55 | crashanddie | lol... |
| 14:28.59 | crashanddie | I just tried something |
| 14:29.04 | Stupid_genius | where the hell has system32's hal.dll gone!?! |
| 14:29.27 | crashanddie | my bluetooth mouse works from downstairs |
| 14:29.28 | qwerty12 | hah, reminds me of a trojan I ran at school that deletes hal :P |
| 14:29.53 | Stupid_genius | .... |
| 14:30.04 | lcuk_work | crashanddie, we play wii games from the kitchen - can carry on making brews and food whilst beating the kids at golf or bowling and stuff |
| 14:30.07 | lardman | bsod? |
| 14:30.26 | Stupid_genius | love the wii^^ |
| 14:30.28 | qwerty12 | Nah, it's a black screen from ntldr (i'd guess) saying that hal.dll is gone. |
| 14:30.30 | crashanddie | lcuk_work, and say that bluetooth was supposed to be 3ft in the first rev |
| 14:30.42 | pekuja | brews eh? at home? with a game? homebrew games eh? |
| 14:30.49 | Stupid_genius | yes!! black screen!! |
| 14:30.53 | Stupid_genius | reinstall! |
| 14:30.53 | lardman | qwerty12: ah, early one in the process then |
| 14:30.54 | lcuk_work | pekuja, only YUV ones |
| 14:31.26 | Stupid_genius | ok i have another problem... |
| 14:31.41 | lcuk_work | hal is looooooooow level for windows. "I'm sorry Stupid_Genius, I'm afraid you cannot boot today" |
| 14:31.52 | Stupid_genius | the computer that has the router access has lost it's hal... |
| 14:31.53 | Stupid_genius | hahaha |
| 14:32.04 | Stupid_genius | wil it boot tomorrow then :P |
| 14:32.10 | qwerty12 | I think you can extract an generic apm hal.dll from the xp cd. |
| 14:32.11 | crashanddie | Stupid_genius, there's only one computer that has router access ? |
| 14:32.21 | Stupid_genius | i don't know :'( |
| 14:32.24 | lcuk_work | shove a live cd in :) |
| 14:32.26 | Stupid_genius | the only one i was sure did :D |
| 14:32.27 | crashanddie | Stupid_genius, ok, let's just go for it |
| 14:32.40 | crashanddie | Stupid_genius, open a browser (firefox, internet explorer) |
| 14:32.49 | Stupid_genius | ok^^ |
| 14:32.50 | crashanddie | Stupid_genius, and type "192.168.0.1" in the URL |
| 14:32.54 | *** join/#maemo Atarii (n=Atarii@92.8.8.192) |
| 14:32.59 | crashanddie | if that doesn't work, try "192.168.1.1" |
| 14:33.10 | qwerty12 | And if that fails, get out the nmap :P |
| 14:33.15 | lcuk_work | failing that just keep incrementing numbers until you find one that works |
| 14:33.23 | lardman | crashanddie: open cmd.exe and type "ipconfig" |
| 14:33.32 | lardman | to get the correct subnet at least |
| 14:33.36 | Stupid_genius | ok i've got a little box for a user and password? |
| 14:33.44 | crashanddie | Stupid_genius, admin admin |
| 14:33.48 | crashanddie | or admin and empty |
| 14:33.57 | qwerty12 | Stupid_genius, what's the model of the router? |
| 14:34.02 | crashanddie | Stupid_genius, if that fails, tell me the make of your router |
| 14:34.08 | lcuk_work | what if he is one of the 3 people in the world who have changed their default password? |
| 14:34.20 | crashanddie | he's not |
| 14:34.26 | MoRpHeUz | anybody here using sbdmock ?? =) |
| 14:34.30 | Stupid_genius | it's a netgear |
| 14:34.39 | qwerty12 | oh, use admin password |
| 14:34.48 | qwerty12 | user:admin password:password |
| 14:35.18 | Stupid_genius | nope |
| 14:35.25 | crashanddie | user:admin password:admin |
| 14:35.29 | crashanddie | user:admin password:1234 |
| 14:35.30 | Stupid_genius | i didn't set up the router |
| 14:35.40 | qwerty12 | look on the sticker at the back then |
| 14:35.43 | lcuk_work | 1234? thats the password on my luggage |
| 14:35.53 | Stupid_genius | hahaha |
| 14:35.55 | summatusmentis | that's the password to my bank account! |
| 14:35.57 | crashanddie | lcuk_work, you have netgear luggage ? Awesome |
| 14:35.59 | summatusmentis | >_> :-P |
| 14:36.04 | Stupid_genius | rofl |
| 14:36.04 | lardman | muhahahaha, don't bring anything expensive to Berlin then! |
| 14:36.09 | qwerty12 | that's the password to my '"stash"! |
| 14:36.16 | crashanddie | user:super password:5777364 |
| 14:36.16 | summatusmentis | qwerty12: share? |
| 14:36.27 | crashanddie | user:superman password:21241036 |
| 14:36.35 | qwerty12 | summatusmentis, how are drug laws in your state? |
| 14:36.46 | lardman | crashanddie: are you just making these up now...? :) |
| 14:36.52 | crashanddie | lol... no |
| 14:36.53 | summatusmentis | the one I live in? or the one I go to school in? |
| 14:37.00 | lcuk_work | qwerty12, more importantly, what are the drug laws in your country |
| 14:37.13 | crashanddie | lardman, http://www.routerpasswords.com/index.asp |
| 14:37.14 | Stupid_genius | no and no |
| 14:37.19 | qwerty12 | lcuk_work, no idea, I live in some little place called Britain, what do I know! |
| 14:37.24 | pupnik | Múm, Ballad OF Broken Birdie (ruxpin remix II) http://youtube.com/watch?v=b8DWzzZOlZA nice tune |
| 14:37.29 | crashanddie | Stupid_genius, user:admin password:(nothing, leave empty) |
| 14:37.37 | summatusmentis | qwerty12: everything is illegal, save for this thing called salvia, although marijuana is semi-legalized in some states |
| 14:37.46 | Stupid_genius | :'( no |
| 14:38.00 | crashanddie | Stupid_genius, well... That sucks |
| 14:38.01 | lcuk_work | Stupid_genius, what are you actually trying to do? |
| 14:38.13 | Stupid_genius | get my nokia to talk to the wlan again |
| 14:38.25 | crashanddie | lcuk_work, his n810 doesn't pick up his wifi network anymore, I'm pretty sure it's because his router uses automatic channel detection |
| 14:38.32 | crashanddie | s/detection/selection |
| 14:38.41 | summatusmentis | crashanddie: why would that change though? |
| 14:38.44 | lcuk_work | when did it work and what did you change |
| 14:38.52 | crashanddie | lcuk_work, he flashed to diablo |
| 14:39.02 | Stupid_genius | I'M A SHE!!!! |
| 14:39.03 | crashanddie | summatusmentis, the NIT doesn't play well with that feature |
| 14:39.09 | crashanddie | oh |
| 14:39.11 | qwerty12 | lmao |
| 14:39.12 | Stupid_genius | ...... |
| 14:39.15 | lcuk_work | so why should he need to fuck with his router if it worked before and the only thing thats changed is the nit |
| 14:39.21 | lcuk_work | ^she |
| 14:39.22 | qwerty12 | s/he/she! |
| 14:39.22 | summatusmentis | lies, there are no girls on the internet |
| 14:39.41 | qwerty12 | summatusmentis, so what are you doing here then? |
| 14:39.42 | Stupid_genius | ok so i'm your imaginary friend :P |
| 14:39.44 | crashanddie | lcuk_work, because that's what I experienced on 3 networks that had that feature activated... Deactivate the feature and I saw the network again |
| 14:39.54 | lardman | damn, new tyre not here until tomorrow :( |
| 14:39.57 | summatusmentis | qwerty12: only here because your mom is in the other room freshening up |
| 14:40.01 | Stupid_genius | maybe i should smash the router with ahammer? |
| 14:40.01 | summatusmentis | >_> |
| 14:40.13 | summatusmentis | Stupid_genius: then nothing will work, don't do that :) |
| 14:40.14 | aquatix | Stupid_genius: was about to suggest that a few minutes ago ;) |
| 14:40.19 | crashanddie | Stupid_genius, I'm starting to understand why it's so difficult to help you :-° |
| 14:40.28 | qwerty12 | summatusmentis, please tell your dad not to ask for a backshot again |
| 14:40.41 | qwerty12 | :P |
| 14:40.48 | lardman | qwerty12, summatusmentis: take it out to the playground! |
| 14:40.49 | summatusmentis | haha :) |
| 14:40.49 | crashanddie | summatusmentis & qwerty12: that'll be enough |
| 14:40.57 | qwerty12 | hehe |
| 14:40.58 | summatusmentis | stops |
| 14:41.03 | summatusmentis | apologies |
| 14:41.17 | lcuk_work | Stupid_genius, does the 810 see the router connection in its list but cannot connect or is it just invisible |
| 14:41.20 | qwerty12 | was about "take it out to the playground!" but I refrain :P |
| 14:41.25 | crashanddie | lcuk_work, invisible |
| 14:41.32 | Stupid_genius | :D |
| 14:41.34 | lcuk_work | can you see any APs in this list |
| 14:41.39 | Stupid_genius | ap? |
| 14:41.43 | lcuk_work | access points |
| 14:41.47 | lcuk_work | networks to connect to |
| 14:41.48 | crashanddie | lcuk_work, she picked up her neighbour's |
| 14:41.55 | Stupid_genius | yeah^^ |
| 14:41.57 | Stupid_genius | i did^^ |
| 14:42.06 | crashanddie | ... well... "it picked up" |
| 14:42.10 | lcuk_work | can you connect to it? cos if so !bonus, free internet |
| 14:42.23 | *** join/#maemo megabyte405 (n=ryan@user-12l2bbd.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 14:42.26 | crashanddie | lcuk_work, notice the past tense "picked up" |
| 14:42.35 | lcuk_work | it dumped you? |
| 14:42.35 | crashanddie | lcuk_work, as in "too far to be picked up all the time" |
| 14:42.49 | crashanddie | lcuk_work, we don't all live in our neighbour's cupboard |
| 14:43.07 | lcuk_work | hey, i moved out since that episode. the police were very understanding |
| 14:43.25 | crashanddie | lcuk_work, read the story about the chinese girl who lived in someone's cupboard for 6 months , |
| 14:43.26 | crashanddie | ? |
| 14:43.47 | crashanddie | japanese |
| 14:43.52 | crashanddie | http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSCOO06330120080530?feedTyp |
| 14:44.03 | crashanddie | "A Japanese man who was mystified when food kept disappearing from his kitchen, set up a hidden camera and found an unknown woman living secretly in his closet, Japanese media said Friday." |
| 14:44.07 | lcuk_work | i saw, i also saw the one today about a guy who moved into a shed in england |
| 14:44.19 | qwerty12 | The 57-year-old unemployed man of *Fukuoka* |
| 14:44.24 | lcuk_work | he did gardening duties and tidied everything up |
| 14:44.51 | summatusmentis | how does one manage to get an 'unknown woman' in their house? |
| 14:45.02 | fnordianslip | try user:=admin , password=Password |
| 14:45.23 | crashanddie | fnordianslip, capital P being the important part ? |
| 14:45.23 | lcuk_work | but this is digressing, Stupid_genius go take your 8x0 outside and see if it can connect to anything or if diablo has royallyu fucked it up |
| 14:45.28 | fnordianslip | yep |
| 14:45.47 | Stupid_genius | watch your langueage :P |
| 14:45.58 | crashanddie | Stupid_genius, try what fnordianslip said, capital P in Password |
| 14:46.10 | Stupid_genius | anyways it picked up my naighours |
| 14:46.14 | Stupid_genius | doesn't work |
| 14:46.25 | crashanddie | neighbours'* |
| 14:46.28 | qwerty12 | Run a brute forcer on it. |
| 14:46.38 | crashanddie | yeah, like that's going to solve problems |
| 14:46.48 | Stupid_genius | i'm dyslexic... pick me up on my spelling and i won't be happy :( |
| 14:46.53 | crashanddie | qwerty12, that's quite the american way |
| 14:47.08 | qwerty12 | That's qwerty's lazy way :p |
| 14:47.08 | crashanddie | Stupid_genius, I live in France, guilt trip won't work on me |
| 14:47.29 | Stupid_genius | ooo my friend is studying in france^^ |
| 14:47.33 | crashanddie | hmm, that last sentence can be interpreted in so many ways... |
| 14:48.13 | crashanddie | Stupid_genius, last time someone said that, the next sentence was "maybe you know him ? His name is..." |
| 14:48.40 | Stupid_genius | france is a big place :P |
| 14:48.43 | Atarii | anyone got a SDK set up with the 770 kernel? |
| 14:48.43 | crashanddie | 65M people in a country, and the dude takes a chance in hoping maybe I know him... |
| 14:49.40 | Stupid_genius | hey it's a small world outside of france :P |
| 14:51.22 | qwerty12 | life would be so much easier if a description of the package was included in the dsc |
| 14:51.51 | aquatix | qwerty12: second that |
| 14:52.21 | Stupid_genius | oh it's picked up nextdoors again |
| 14:52.43 | Stupid_genius | two it's picked up two! |
| 14:52.47 | Stupid_genius | but still not mine... |
| 14:53.03 | qwerty12 | aquatix, :). I'm always opening up the control file manually to find this package is useless to me >.< |
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| 14:55.21 | crashanddie | chbnav101_102-lb.crescomhosting.fi |
| 14:55.24 | crashanddie | woops |
| 14:55.43 | qwerty12 | hax |
| 14:56.47 | crashanddie | that's where the maps for wayfinder are hosted |
| 14:56.54 | crashanddie | Now I just need to find a way to access 'em :P |
| 14:57.17 | qwerty12 | knows not to mess around with phoenix now, heh, my wlan chip was stuck in some state and it wouldn't properly connect to my network. I had to downgrade to the oldest firmware for N800 and then reupdate to diablo (I knew CAL/config partition would be partly rewritten :/) |
| 14:57.44 | trickie | Stupid_genius: do you have wireless-tools installed? |
| 14:57.46 | trickie | http://maemo.org/development/tools/doc/diablo/wireless-tools/ |
| 14:57.47 | qwerty12 | crashanddie, I'll try and take a look for you, ftd provides me a quick way to use tcpdump :) |
| 14:58.09 | crashanddie | lcuk said: ooops ~ language - ive lost my computer could you apologise to the chan for language.. |
| 14:58.16 | Stupid_genius | no |
| 14:58.43 | crashanddie | qwerty12, I've been using tcpdump to get that IP |
| 14:58.57 | crashanddie | qwerty12, now I'm going to use wireshark over the wifi network to find better info :P |
| 14:59.07 | qwerty12 | Ah, cool :P :D |
| 14:59.09 | *** join/#maemo X-Fade_ (n=xfade@78-20-14-109.access.telenet.be) |
| 14:59.24 | crashanddie | lcuk said: also, get stupid to try to reboot the router |
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| 14:59.41 | Stupid_genius | i'm looking for the plug :D |
| 14:59.46 | qwerty12 | Hmm, the sun doesn't count as a sunday paper does it? |
| 14:59.50 | Stupid_genius | but if i do i'll go from here |
| 14:59.57 | aquatix | crashanddie: hm, like i said 2 hours ago? :) |
| 14:59.59 | crashanddie | Stupid_genius, you'll be back |
| 15:00.09 | Stupid_genius | ok i'll give it a go^^ |
| 15:00.11 | crashanddie | aquatix, I'm just lcuk's proxy |
| 15:00.18 | aquatix | Stupid_genius: good luck |
| 15:00.22 | aquatix | crashanddie: ;) |
| 15:00.34 | crashanddie | Stupid_genius, I know it won't work, but give it a shot, I know it's what I'm saying from the start |
| 15:00.46 | crashanddie | Stupid_genius, call your hubby or whatever, and get the password to the router, and you'll be going in no time |
| 15:01.09 | crashanddie | qwerty12, tcpdump doesn't show the actual HTTP frames, does it ? |
| 15:01.22 | aquatix | she might be timing out already |
| 15:01.31 | aquatix | is gone for a bit; groceries |
| 15:01.37 | qwerty12 | crashanddie, no idea, never used it before :) |
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| 15:03.06 | Stupid | i'm back i think^^ |
| 15:03.15 | trickie | welcome back |
| 15:03.20 | Stupid | :D |
| 15:03.48 | Stupid | didn't work though :( |
| 15:03.57 | Stupid | i think i've broken it... |
| 15:04.00 | Stupid | :'( |
| 15:05.22 | crashanddie | be back in a bit |
| 15:05.25 | crashanddie | network sniffing, all that |
| 15:05.47 | trickie | Stupid: are you up to installing wireless-tools? |
| 15:05.51 | *** join/#maemo X-Fade (n=xfade@78-20-14-109.access.telenet.be) |
| 15:06.03 | Stupid | on the laoptop? |
| 15:06.20 | trickie | Stupid: if so you could do a "iwlist scan" to see more detailed info about the wifi networks available |
| 15:06.36 | Stupid | ok^^ |
| 15:06.55 | trickie | i thought you were on a tablet... but i haven't been following |
| 15:07.13 | Stupid | it's the tablet that isn't connecting to the wlan |
| 15:07.24 | Stupid | so i'm useing my laptop here |
| 15:07.38 | Stupid | should i try a restore?? |
| 15:07.43 | Stupid | or would that not help?? |
| 15:08.31 | trickie | ah ok... i see |
| 15:08.49 | trickie | you would need to get net on your tablet to install wireless-tools on it |
| 15:09.08 | fnordianslip | Stupid: you said you had another computer. perhaps the web browser on that has stored the login details for the router ? |
| 15:09.09 | *** join/#maemo __t (n=t@extern.bootlab.org) |
| 15:09.14 | trickie | well if you do not mind losing what is on flash on the device you could re-flash it all |
| 15:09.25 | Stupid | but that's the problem... i can't get the net on the tablet to work |
| 15:09.34 | trickie | i know :) |
| 15:09.36 | trickie | now |
| 15:09.56 | Stupid | fnordanslip thats also a problem the hal.dll is missing to it won't boot up |
| 15:10.16 | fnordianslip | lol. |
| 15:10.27 | fnordianslip | bad day then |
| 15:10.37 | Stupid | very! |
| 15:12.38 | fnordianslip | so, we really need to get your NIT connected, so you can forget about those nasty Windows boxes |
| 15:12.48 | *** join/#maemo asedeno (n=asedeno@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com) |
| 15:13.03 | StupidlittleGeni | NIT? |
| 15:13.25 | fnordianslip | Nokia Internet Tablet |
| 15:13.29 | StupidlittleGeni | ah |
| 15:13.36 | StupidlittleGeni | yeah :D |
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| 15:14.37 | fnordianslip | back to trickie's wireless-tools plan then |
| 15:14.37 | trickie | StupidlittleGeni: you could try grabbing this on your laptop, and via usbnetworking to your tablet... copy it across and install it with dpkg: |
| 15:14.40 | trickie | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1/free/w/wireless-tools/wireless-tools_29~pre21-2.osso1_armel.deb |
| 15:15.01 | StupidlittleGeni | if i knew what that was then maybe :D |
| 15:15.09 | trickie | thats wireless-tools |
| 15:15.27 | StupidlittleGeni | dpkg? |
| 15:15.45 | trickie | dpkg is how package management is done |
| 15:15.55 | trickie | dkpg -i wireless-tools_29~pre21-2.osso1_armel.deb |
| 15:16.01 | trickie | that would install that package |
| 15:16.05 | trickie | for example |
| 15:16.28 | trickie | then you could use the commands outlined in that other lin i gave you before... iwlist etc |
| 15:16.33 | trickie | s/lin/link/ |
| 15:16.38 | boolean | question: how big is the debian install ? |
| 15:18.04 | StupidlittleGeni | ok i've stuck in the usb lead :D |
| 15:19.14 | trickie | StupidlittleGeni: ok, ill be quick as i have to go... but here is the plan: |
| 15:20.02 | StupidlittleGeni | what happened? |
| 15:20.05 | StupidlittleGeni | :S |
| 15:20.13 | trickie | copy the wireless-tools .deb to the tablet, either by usbnetworking (scp etc) or just sticking it on a mmc card (probably what pops up on your pc if you just stick in the cable) |
| 15:20.28 | StupidlittleGeni | ok! |
| 15:20.50 | trickie | then on the tablet... go to the location of where you stuck it... /media/mmc1 for example |
| 15:21.18 | trickie | then as root (thats another story) type: "dkpg -i wireless-tools_29~pre21-2.osso1_armel.deb" |
| 15:21.33 | trickie | then you can use iwlist to see what networks your wifi card really sees |
| 15:21.46 | trickie | i have to go, but maybe someone here can help if you get stcuk |
| 15:21.49 | trickie | stuck even |
| 15:21.54 | trickie | anyway... good luck! |
| 15:21.55 | trickie | ciao |
| 15:22.01 | StupidlittleGeni | thanks for helping!! |
| 15:22.03 | StupidlittleGeni | byee |
| 15:22.44 | boolean | what is the diff of the wireless-tools and what comes with Diablo? |
| 15:23.01 | *** join/#maemo chenca (n=chenca@200.184.118.132) |
| 15:23.10 | Atarii | it has iwconfig and somoe other stuff |
| 15:23.28 | boolean | ahh kewl |
| 15:24.11 | StupidlittleGeni | it says incompatable aplication package.... |
| 15:24.43 | StupidlittleGeni | :'( i give up.... |
| 15:24.49 | StupidlittleGeni | i'll never fix it.... |
| 15:26.00 | fnordianslip | patience. it's worth more effort than the borked windows box ;-) |
| 15:26.30 | StupidlittleGeni | WAIT!!! |
| 15:26.40 | StupidlittleGeni | IT's found it!!! |
| 15:26.49 | StupidlittleGeni | I don't know how but it's found it!!! |
| 15:26.52 | fnordianslip | woohoo |
| 15:26.57 | StupidlittleGeni | It's conecting!!! |
| 15:26.57 | fnordianslip | will it connect ? |
| 15:27.03 | StupidlittleGeni | it's done it!!!!!! |
| 15:27.13 | fnordianslip | <holding breath> |
| 15:27.18 | fnordianslip | woot |
| 15:27.27 | StupidlittleGeni | WOOHOOOOOO!!!! |
| 15:27.31 | StupidlittleGeni | Thank you so muchh guys^^ |
| 15:27.47 | fnordianslip | did you do anything, or did dpkg fix it by acident? |
| 15:28.02 | StupidlittleGeni | i didn't do anything! |
| 15:28.13 | StupidlittleGeni | it just all of a sudden showed up in the list! |
| 15:28.30 | fnordianslip | weird |
| 15:28.36 | lbt | did you turn on the router? |
| 15:28.41 | StupidlittleGeni | yeah but at least it's working |
| 15:28.53 | StupidlittleGeni | the router has to be on for me to be here ;) |
| 15:29.06 | lbt | that's what *you* think.... |
| 15:29.14 | fnordianslip | well observed. not so stupid. |
| 15:29.21 | StupidlittleGeni | ;) |
| 15:29.42 | StupidlittleGeni | i do know a thing or two :P |
| 15:30.39 | StupidlittleGeni | yay!! it's installing everything again!! |
| 15:31.04 | fnordianslip | my mum phoned me up and said the 5.25inch floppy she'd put in the computer had disappeared. i told her to get a screwdriver, take of the case and see if it was lying in the bootom of the box. it was. |
| 15:31.19 | fnordianslip | bottom, even |
| 15:31.31 | StupidlittleGeni | awwww |
| 15:31.49 | fnordianslip | she'd posted it through a gap between the disk drives |
| 15:31.58 | StupidlittleGeni | that's so sweet^^ |
| 15:32.02 | StupidlittleGeni | lol |
| 15:32.29 | *** join/#maemo playya_ (n=playya@p57B29CDF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 15:32.40 | StupidlittleGeni | I'm not that bad ;) |
| 15:32.48 | StupidlittleGeni | it's just when things go wrong |
| 15:32.59 | StupidlittleGeni | i have no idea how to fix them |
| 15:33.08 | StupidlittleGeni | my brother is a computer genius^^ |
| 15:33.49 | lcuk_work | so StupidlittleGeni what did you need to do to cure your problem |
| 15:33.56 | StupidlittleGeni | no idea |
| 15:34.02 | StupidlittleGeni | it just started working again |
| 15:34.14 | StupidlittleGeni | something some one said must have had an effect^^ |
| 15:34.19 | lcuk_work | did crash ask you to reboot the router |
| 15:34.37 | StupidlittleGeni | i did reset it but it made no difference |
| 15:34.42 | lcuk_work | cant scrollback to see |
| 15:35.05 | lcuk_work | glad its workin for you anyway |
| 15:35.20 | StupidlittleGeni | me too^^ |
| 15:35.22 | lcuk_work | has forgotten what he popped home for |
| 15:35.25 | StupidlittleGeni | thanks so much for helping^^ |
| 15:35.31 | StupidlittleGeni | lol |
| 15:35.40 | lcuk_work | thank them lot up there ^^ |
| 15:36.45 | Atarii | anyone got a link to the latest carmen screenshots? |
| 15:36.46 | *** part/#maemo fr01 (n=jex_o_je@212.30.2.18) |
| 15:36.55 | aquatix | lcuk_work: he did |
| 15:37.01 | aquatix | and i did 2 hours before that ;) |
| 15:37.14 | aquatix | StupidlittleGeni: glad it works now! |
| 15:37.29 | qwerty12 | Atarii, How could you!?! I searched carmen on google images and my mom slapped me! |
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| 15:37.51 | Atarii | lol qwertz |
| 15:37.57 | StupidlittleGeni | me too^^ |
| 15:38.13 | aquatix | qwerty12: what's your mom doing on your pc? |
| 15:38.13 | qwerty12 | Atarii, Nah, anyway http://www.marceloeduardo.com/blog/design/user-interface-design/carman-is-also-alive-news-upcoming-update lo; |
| 15:38.23 | *** join/#maemo Sargun (n=Sargun@atarack/staff/sargun) |
| 15:38.30 | qwerty12 | aquatix, she isn't, she's behind me watching tv though :D |
| 15:38.38 | aquatix | ah ;) |
| 15:38.49 | Atarii | ah yes thanks qwerty12 that was the link i was looking for! |
| 15:38.51 | aquatix | is thankful his mom doesn't live at his place |
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| 15:39.46 | aquatix | how does carman physically interface with your car btw? |
| 15:40.25 | aquatix | ah, Obd2-> bluetooth connectors for example |
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| 15:45.20 | qwerty12 | Hmm, anyone ever tried compiling a 0xFFFF for windows using the windows port of libusb? |
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| 15:46.24 | StupidlittleGeni | :D |
| 15:46.45 | aquatix | qwerty12: whuh? |
| 15:47.35 | qwerty12 | 0xFFFF = is that free, open sourced flasher. Seeing as the windows flasher sucks, I thought it would be interesting to try out 0xFFFF in windows. |
| 15:47.47 | qwerty12 | But I guess there is more to it then libusb. |
| 15:47.55 | qwerty12 | than even |
| 15:47.57 | aquatix | ah :) |
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| 15:52.00 | StupidlittleGeni | Thanks so much again guys^^ |
| 15:52.15 | StupidlittleGeni | I'm off to reinstall all my aplications! |
| 15:52.26 | StupidlittleGeni | byeeeee |
| 15:52.27 | StupidlittleGeni | xxxxxxxxxxx |
| 15:53.08 | aquatix | o/ |
| 15:53.25 | aquatix | so far for our only maemo girl |
| 15:53.46 | GeneralAntilles | Not true. |
| 15:54.38 | aquatix | ah no |
| 15:54.51 | aquatix | but i forgot her nick :/ |
| 15:54.53 | *** join/#maemo fr01 (n=jex_o_je@212.30.2.18) |
| 15:55.07 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: or are you...? ;) |
| 15:55.10 | GeneralAntilles | There's four or five others that I can think of off-hand. |
| 15:55.12 | GeneralAntilles | Not me. ;) |
| 15:55.32 | aquatix | apparantly doesn't follow the discussions here enough |
| 15:55.48 | GeneralAntilles | probably follows them too much. |
| 15:55.54 | aquatix | ;) |
| 15:56.27 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, ping/pong. |
| 15:56.51 | qwerty12 | is surprised to see so much N800 product codes: http://i36.tinypic.com/28rny35.jpg |
| 15:57.16 | aquatix | localised i'd say |
| 15:57.37 | aquatix | something to do with wifi frequencies too maybe? |
| 15:57.39 | boolean | looks like localisation |
| 15:57.58 | qwerty12 | The FCC and the ETSI ones for sure are to do with wifi. |
| 15:58.37 | qwerty12 | wonders if I would get arrested for taking an UK N800 over to the US :P |
| 15:58.38 | boolean | isnt wifi in the free 2.4 GHz range ( except frans whichuses it as military band ) |
| 15:59.00 | boolean | doh .. electronic frequenecy |
| 15:59.13 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3435#c1 |
| 15:59.15 | GeneralAntilles | Any comments? |
| 16:00.07 | aquatix | qwerty12: i have a US n810 in the netherlands ;) |
| 16:00.36 | qwerty12 | aquatix, doesn't matter ;). US N810's have less wifi channels. |
| 16:00.51 | aquatix | hm |
| 16:00.59 | ||cw | wifi is 2.4 and 5Ghz depend on type, and it's power limited. over that power limit, you can get a license |
| 16:00.59 | aquatix | so that's why it was so cheap ;) |
| 16:01.26 | Atarii | only 2 channels less amirite? |
| 16:01.30 | Atarii | 13/14 |
| 16:01.46 | GeneralAntilles | 11 |
| 16:01.51 | qwerty12 | I'm pretty sure it's a software restriction and if cal was reversed, you could set it to etsi which would let wlancond fire up the full range of channels. |
| 16:01.58 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 16:02.13 | aquatix | qwerty12: cal? |
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| 16:02.36 | qwerty12 | aquatix, /dev/mtd1 :P |
| 16:02.53 | qwerty12 | Nah, it contains the settings of the N8*0 (lock code, region etc) |
| 16:03.00 | aquatix | ah |
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| 16:03.24 | qwerty12 | (A *lot* is actually stored in there, internal partition layout etc) |
| 16:03.40 | aquatix | hm, *don't* cat that device ;) |
| 16:04.05 | qwerty12 | Meh, I've even catted to it ;). But I think I need mtd-tools to write my own config files to it anyway. |
| 16:05.05 | Atarii | man duke nukem never gets old! |
| 16:05.17 | lardman|afk | How was Stupid*'s problem fixed then? |
| 16:05.38 | qwerty12 | Magic? (seriously, none of us including Stupid* know) |
| 16:05.42 | Atarii | i dont think there was a specific fix |
| 16:06.14 | lardman | hmm |
| 16:06.24 | fnordianslip | us radio hams can do more interesting things with wifi, like use a fair bit more power, but we can't run crypto to that limits the potential |
| 16:06.30 | aquatix | just thinkering + some voodoo == profit! |
| 16:06.31 | lardman | ah well, at least another happy camper hey |
| 16:06.40 | fnordianslip | i mean us, not US of course |
| 16:06.49 | aquatix | fnordianslip: ah |
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| 16:07.16 | lardman | fnordianslip: you talking about the fact that we have no access to the crypto engines on the omaps? |
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| 16:07.50 | fnordianslip | nope. radio hams can't use crypto. someones taking it out of SSH so we can just use an authenticated channel |
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| 16:07.59 | Capn_Fish | Does anybody know what happens internally with USB host? I hacked together a cable, which works in Maemo, but not in Debian. |
| 16:08.21 | qwerty12 | Tried setting the mode manually? |
| 16:09.36 | Capn_Fish | How? I connected the OTG pin to ground, I thought that was supposed to force host mode? |
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| 16:09.51 | pope523 | I'm having trouble flashing my N800. I connected the USB cable to my PC (Vista), turned on the N800, the USB icon comes on the N800 screen for a moment and then disappears and it continues booting. Can someone help me figure out what's wrong? |
| 16:09.54 | GeneralAntilles | sighs @ more itT stupidity. |
| 16:10.17 | Atarii | pope523 hold down the home key |
| 16:10.25 | Atarii | with the power key |
| 16:10.32 | pope523 | When I'm turning it on? |
| 16:10.35 | Atarii | yes |
| 16:10.37 | Capn_Fish | Atarii: I always just had the flasher running, and that caught it :P |
| 16:10.55 | qwerty12 | Capn_Fish, echo host > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode |
| 16:11.00 | Atarii | lucky :p |
| 16:11.05 | pope523 | Atari: Super, thanks :) |
| 16:11.10 | Capn_Fish | qwerty12: I'll try that now |
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| 16:14.09 | Capn_Fish | qwerty12: Nothing. :( |
| 16:14.33 | Atarii | Capn_Fish has you enabled usb-host-mode using the linux flasher? |
| 16:14.52 | qwerty12 | :(. I'm not sure whether it's the kernel or ke-recv that provides automatic switching. |
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| 16:15.01 | qwerty12 | Atarii, doesn't need to be done for N8*0 |
| 16:15.17 | Capn_Fish | That's good :) |
| 16:15.18 | Atarii | ah my bad |
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| 16:15.43 | Capn_Fish | I'm not even getting stuff from dmesg |
| 16:15.57 | Capn_Fish | Heck, the mouse's LED isn't even coming on |
| 16:16.03 | Capn_Fish | So there's not even power |
| 16:24.18 | jott | gna.. garage.m.o connection problems again.. |
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| 16:28.44 | dmsuperman | I've installed the account-plugin-haze plugin and added AIM, YIM, and MSN accounts to it. However, it hasn't downloaded any of my contacts. How can I get it to download my contacts? |
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| 16:43.29 | crashanddie | back |
| 16:43.48 | crashanddie | http://update.wayfinder.com/components/7ba7aaf4e67d32c7b33e6a8f2e4f5b80/2.3.1.138/%2Bz/mapdata_France/bu.qt |
| 16:43.49 | crashanddie | :D |
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| 16:44.09 | qwerty12 | muhahaha, so you came through with the stuff :) |
| 16:44.12 | crashanddie | http://update.wayfinder.com/maemo/list_maps |
| 16:44.38 | qwerty12 | wonders if the S60 maps would work |
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| 16:46.12 | crashanddie | now, only find a way to retrieve said files and put them in the NIT |
| 16:46.27 | crashanddie | qwerty12, wireshark is awesome :P |
| 16:46.43 | qwerty12 | I opened my tcpdump into wireshark too but gave up :P :) |
| 16:47.04 | crashanddie | qwerty12, I just launched wireshark from my computer |
| 16:47.15 | crashanddie | and sniffed the whole network |
| 16:47.17 | crashanddie | :D |
| 16:47.40 | qwerty12 | Hah :) |
| 16:48.00 | qwerty12 | Just out of question, isn't the built in downloader of maps working for you? |
| 16:48.26 | crashanddie | nope |
| 16:48.28 | crashanddie | fails everytime |
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| 16:48.38 | crashanddie | I had to try 6 different times to get the UK one |
| 16:48.47 | crashanddie | and now I can't get France anymore |
| 16:48.50 | crashanddie | tried at least 30 times |
| 16:48.52 | crashanddie | fails everytime |
| 16:48.53 | qwerty12 | Ouch |
| 16:49.05 | crashanddie | and yeah well, I kinda need france :P |
| 16:49.10 | crashanddie | how ironic that may seem |
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| 16:50.21 | Prez00_ | hello |
| 16:50.40 | Prez00_ | is very happt with Diablo, finally tablet is very usable.. |
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| 16:58.34 | lcuk_work | lardman, have you seen the mail |
| 16:59.12 | crashanddie | qwerty12, http://slexy.org/view/s20BpOyY6G |
| 17:00.09 | crashanddie | granted, that only works for France atm |
| 17:00.16 | qwerty12 | crashanddie, ooh, v.nice work. Maybe I'll end up getting the French maps soon :) |
| 17:00.27 | crashanddie | I might modify the script to support all maps |
| 17:00.38 | crashanddie | I'm testing if it actually works now :D |
| 17:01.56 | cjohnson | I've installed the account-plugin-haze package and added some YIM, AIM, and MSN accounts to the RTCOMM application. However, none of these accounts have downloaded the contacts from the server. It can allow me to chat, and when people send me messages I receive them. What must I do to get my contacts working? |
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| 17:02.28 | Atarii | cjohnson what device/OS are you on? |
| 17:03.00 | darkterror46 | bye bye :- |
| 17:03.39 | cjohnson | Atarii, OS2008 chinook N800 |
| 17:04.56 | Atarii | im having the exact same problem with 2008HE |
| 17:07.00 | cjohnson | what's HE |
| 17:07.37 | Atarii | hacker edition |
| 17:07.40 | Atarii | its for the 770 |
| 17:08.43 | Atarii | i hadn't heard of anyone having this problem before, so i was just going to copy over my contacts from the computer, but maybe we are doing something wrong if it is now commonly-occuring |
| 17:09.38 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, ping and usuk. :P |
| 17:09.49 | cjohnson | Atarii, perhaps |
| 17:10.06 | cjohnson | Atarii, I was reading when the package first released that people had issues with just MSN, but that if you waited a day or so it'd show up |
| 17:10.16 | cjohnson | Atarii, but I've now waited 3, and it's not just MSN, so I think it's more than that |
| 17:10.32 | cjohnson | Atarii, Shall we submit a bug report where necessary? |
| 17:10.41 | Atarii | ah, well ive only tried msn, so maybe i should have waited longer |
| 17:11.17 | Atarii | i didnt submit a bug previously, due to HE being non-supported, but it may be worth you submitting one |
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| 17:11.41 | GeneralAntilles | Not unless you're running the full rtcomm beta. |
| 17:12.22 | cjohnson | How can I check that? |
| 17:12.29 | GeneralAntilles | You aren't. |
| 17:12.34 | cjohnson | Oh |
| 17:12.42 | cjohnson | So then there's nothing I can do to get my contacts? |
| 17:12.45 | GeneralAntilles | It's this: http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 17:12.48 | GeneralAntilles | I don't know |
| 17:12.56 | GeneralAntilles | They loaded fine for me with the Collabora approach. |
| 17:13.15 | cjohnson | That's what I used |
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| 17:20.46 | crashanddie | qwerty12, I missed something |
| 17:20.57 | crashanddie | qwerty12, Map doesn't recognise what I downloaded |
| 17:21.19 | crashanddie | and I didn't get everything, I only have 215MB instead of 296 ... |
| 17:21.34 | qwerty12 | Hmm, the structure of the maps folder is quite complex tbh |
| 17:21.56 | crashanddie | Well, there's one thing that bothers me |
| 17:22.11 | crashanddie | you know, this file: http://update.wayfinder.com/maemo/list_maps |
| 17:22.40 | qwerty12 | That file = map.lst |
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| 17:22.57 | crashanddie | the first column is the name of the map, second is an identifier of some sort, that goes in the URL to download it, then there's the size (in bytes), then some other int I haven't been able to identify, and then the map version |
| 17:23.33 | crashanddie | each row is separated by a space, each column separated by a semicolon |
| 17:23.51 | crashanddie | but see, the link I've used to download the french map |
| 17:24.06 | crashanddie | http://update.wayfinder.com/components/7ba7aaf4e67d32c7b33e6a8f2e4f5b80/2.3.1.138/+z/mapdata_France/ |
| 17:24.32 | crashanddie | if I replace the identifier, and the end of mapdata_ |
| 17:24.37 | crashanddie | I get a 404 and get redirected |
| 17:25.15 | crashanddie | also, I don't know where the POI files come from |
| 17:25.24 | qwerty12 | But you need to change the 7ba string too |
| 17:25.32 | qwerty12 | 7ba7aaf4e67d32c7b33e6a8f2e4f5b80 = France |
| 17:25.37 | crashanddie | yeah, I changed that |
| 17:25.44 | qwerty12 | Sorry, my bad. |
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| 17:26.20 | crashanddie | ok, I'm going wireshark a bit more, trying to get more info |
| 17:26.30 | crashanddie | I'll try a few downloads, especially the small ones :D |
| 17:26.40 | qwerty12 | Luxembourg! :P |
| 17:26.41 | crashanddie | and see if I can get more information out of it |
| 17:26.46 | crashanddie | nha, that's part of Benelux |
| 17:26.57 | crashanddie | so it's belgium+luxemburg+netherlands |
| 17:27.07 | qwerty12 | Ah :) |
| 17:27.09 | crashanddie | singapore :D 1MB |
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| 17:27.34 | crashanddie | bbl |
| 17:27.36 | khertan | Hi ! |
| 17:27.46 | khertan | Hum i ve found something interesting ... |
| 17:27.49 | khertan | http://manatlan.infogami.com/py2deb |
| 17:27.52 | Veggen | Hmm. Anyone tried Maemo mappe with OSM lately? |
| 17:28.06 | Veggen | My OSM maps are suddenly off by a magnitude of several 100 m. |
| 17:29.40 | etrunko | anyone knows the guys responsible for mogg ?? |
| 17:29.45 | etrunko | do they use IRC? |
| 17:30.31 | jott | i think kulve works on it but not sure |
| 17:30.58 | etrunko | jott: kulve is the ogg-support guy |
| 17:31.14 | jott | yeah that's what i had in mind ;) |
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| 17:31.28 | etrunko | kulve: any chance of uploading your packages to maemo extras? |
| 17:31.33 | etrunko | :) |
| 17:32.12 | X-Fade | Go etrunko, go etrunko! |
| 17:32.24 | etrunko | or even working together with the mogg guys to provide the same base libraries, such as vorbisidec, theora and so |
| 17:32.34 | etrunko | X-Fade: are you ignoring us in #canola? |
| 17:32.35 | etrunko | :S |
| 17:32.53 | X-Fade | etrunko: Sorry, had some disconnects on my IRC box. |
| 17:33.04 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade! |
| 17:33.35 | jott | hah now all your spare time is gone X-Fade :) |
| 17:33.37 | etrunko | X-Fade: don't worry... MoRpHeUz is having bad dreams with sbdmock and scratchbox together |
| 17:33.49 | etrunko | kind of a unstable mixture |
| 17:33.52 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Did you see the wiki skin? ;) |
| 17:33.58 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, looks hot. |
| 17:34.45 | X-Fade | etrunko: Heh, well we are having some unexplained problems in sbdmock every now and again. Ed is working with the sbdmock author to work things out. |
| 17:34.46 | GeneralAntilles | Think it would be worthwhile to switch mediawiki's page/discussion/edit/history bar to the style of the subbar on the maemo.org front page? |
| 17:35.32 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Yeah, I hesitated a bit when doing that. |
| 17:35.35 | etrunko | X-Fade: i see... and as Ed is on holidays atm, things may be stalled |
| 17:35.49 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, there's something to keeping the mediawiki style for that. . . . |
| 17:35.51 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: As it then will take in a bit more space. |
| 17:36.11 | X-Fade | etrunko: Yep, but he deserved a break ;) |
| 17:36.15 | etrunko | indeed |
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| 17:36.29 | etrunko | he helped on the first maemo-efl scripts a lot |
| 17:36.41 | X-Fade | etrunko: He did all that work in his spare time. |
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| 17:37.20 | X-Fade | And while doing that also ported a big number of packages! |
| 17:37.30 | etrunko | test cases |
| 17:37.31 | etrunko | :) |
| 17:37.49 | etrunko | ok... so lightmediascanner won't suppor ogg for diablo at this momment |
| 17:37.52 | etrunko | sad.. |
| 17:38.47 | X-Fade | etrunko: There is now an incoming-nonfree queue for diablo only. So you can upload your closed packages there. |
| 17:39.39 | etrunko | X-Fade: great, any special configuration? |
| 17:40.13 | X-Fade | etrunko: Just take your extras chinook config and replace chinook -> diablo and change incoming -> incoming-nonfree |
| 17:40.18 | Stskeeps | neat, bme-dbus-proxy transfers 1:1 to debian |
| 17:40.21 | etrunko | thnks |
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| 17:40.47 | X-Fade | etrunko: And ping me when the files are there, because I need to run the queuemanager manually the first time ;) |
| 17:41.13 | X-Fade | I have to make sure I didn't corrupt the repository afterwards.. |
| 17:41.18 | etrunko | X-Fade: you bet i will |
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| 17:45.12 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Do you think that adding nofollow to our links on the wiki will help lowering the spam? |
| 17:45.42 | lcuk | it will help to disuade future spammers |
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| 17:45.46 | sjgadsby | Huh. Midgard is demanding net.nemein.registrations:manage privilege for the Maemo Summit registration form now. |
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| 17:46.04 | X-Fade | sjgadsby: For a new registration? |
| 17:46.11 | lcuk | whether or not the current ones who have written a program and have uson their list will stop is another question |
| 17:46.18 | sjgadsby | X-Fade to see the form at all. |
| 17:46.19 | crashanddie_ | qwerty is gone ? |
| 17:46.25 | lcuk | X-Fade, it would be even better to get the ips |
| 17:46.45 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, probably a bit. |
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| 17:47.12 | crashanddie_ | lcuk, mind doing something for me ? |
| 17:47.16 | sjgadsby | X-Fade: "Free registration" link on http://maemo.org/news/events/maemo_summit-001/ |
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| 17:47.25 | crashanddie_ | lcuk, try to access: http://update.wayfinder.com/components/a4b90cf5b70a2d4c09b76f5b80a2c421/2.3.1.122/%2Bz/mapdata_Hawaii/lu.qt |
| 17:47.26 | lcuk | i can try |
| 17:47.28 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, you see the preview I have up? |
| 17:47.32 | GeneralAntilles | Happen to have a logo for me yet? :P |
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| 17:48.03 | lcuk | crashanddie_, yes it downloaded. GeneralAntilles no i havent seen yet |
| 17:48.16 | crashanddie_ | lcuk, you got the file ? |
| 17:48.17 | lcuk | do i need to do a svn download thing or is it up somewhere |
| 17:48.19 | crashanddie_ | O_O |
| 17:48.30 | lcuk | yes 11.7 KB (12,071 bytes) |
| 17:48.35 | X-Fade | sjgadsby: Hmm let me see if i have an unprived account. |
| 17:50.28 | X-Fade | sjgadsby: Hmm it works for my test user, I'll check if something is wrong with your account. |
| 17:51.18 | sjgadsby | X-Fade: Ah, could it be because I've already submitted a registration? I wanted to revisit the form to see if I missed anything. |
| 17:51.45 | X-Fade | sjgadsby: That is probably it. You aren't allowed to edit. |
| 17:52.10 | sjgadsby | X-Fade: Ah, I understand. I apologize for crying wolf. |
| 17:52.55 | X-Fade | Heh, I'm amazed by some people asking sponsorship and filling in no other fields at all ;) |
| 17:52.56 | Jaffa | re |
| 17:53.21 | Jaffa | crashanddie_: pong |
| 17:53.37 | Jaffa | crashanddie_: *used* to live in Macclesfield. Now in Rugby |
| 17:53.48 | X-Fade | sjgadsby: It seems you need to travel quite some distance to get there btw :) |
| 17:54.02 | crashanddie_ | Jaffa, oh, hi :) |
| 17:54.39 | sjgadsby | X-Fade: Yes. I'm not sure what I have to offer either, but Quim asked me to apply... |
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| 17:56.34 | GeneralAntilles | BoF on bugzilla statistics! |
| 17:57.18 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Did you see Misha's hint about a bugzilla plugin for the wiki :D |
| 17:57.21 | GeneralAntilles | No, where? |
| 17:57.42 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Tsk tsk, not tracking recentchanges enough ;) |
| 17:57.52 | crashanddie_ | Jaffa, got my PM ? |
| 17:58.07 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=100Days/Sprint3&curid=654&diff=4336&oldid=3719&rcid=4341 |
| 17:59.06 | GeneralAntilles | Ooh |
| 17:59.10 | GeneralAntilles | sjgadsby, you'll like this. ^ |
| 17:59.19 | sjgadsby | I'm looking at it now. |
| 17:59.50 | Jaffa | Not that I can see. But I /was/ at work. Well, company meeting: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2008-07-11.log.html#t2008-07-11T13:03:24 |
| 18:00.18 | GeneralAntilles | Might be a potential response to this: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21794 :\ |
| 18:00.52 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:BugzillaReports |
| 18:01.08 | sjgadsby | Ha! I don't know what Mutiny32's looking for. |
| 18:01.20 | GeneralAntilles | Another wonder itT rant. |
| 18:01.32 | GeneralAntilles | I'd take GNOME's overview stuff, though. |
| 18:01.43 | sjgadsby | How can 2,937 clickable keywords be better than a keyword search? |
| 18:01.52 | GeneralAntilles | I don't know |
| 18:02.00 | GeneralAntilles | I'm not sure how he figures Launchpad is better than Bugzilla, either. |
| 18:02.02 | GeneralAntilles | :shudder: |
| 18:02.34 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, this is fantastic. |
| 18:02.37 | sjgadsby | This Bugzilla Reports MediaWiki things looks niiiice, though. |
| 18:02.42 | crashanddie_ | Jaffa, hang on |
| 18:02.45 | GeneralAntilles | Think you could get ferenc to install that yesterday? :D |
| 18:03.03 | crashanddie_ | Jaffa, mind if I PM you ? |
| 18:03.06 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Nope, no way. |
| 18:03.25 | Jaffa | crashanddie_: feel free, just about to eat tho' so I might be absent for an hour or so |
| 18:03.31 | crashanddie_ | Jaffa, same here |
| 18:03.33 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: But I can send him a mail to ask ;) |
| 18:04.14 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: WTF? That rant starts on about bug trackers, then password protected repos, then the A-GPS app, then broken packages. |
| 18:04.36 | GeneralAntilles | Pretty nutty, right? |
| 18:05.17 | crashanddie_ | which rant ? |
| 18:05.24 | Jaffa | resists responding to "I chose to be clear and concise" with "Well, you missed that by a mile, huh?" since he's had a few drinks already. |
| 18:05.29 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie_, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21794 |
| 18:07.50 | crashanddie_ | Erhm |
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| 18:07.54 | crashanddie_ | That guy is an idiot, right ? |
| 18:07.59 | Jaffa | yup |
| 18:08.01 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 18:08.19 | crashanddie_ | "why doesn't the package manager manage dependencies ?" It does... It just doesn't tell you it does |
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| 18:08.57 | GeneralAntilles | It does, it just doesn't manage idiots. |
| 18:09.02 | lbt | so I've just spent an hour debugging about 200 lines of C++ - widgets responded to events the first time, not the second.... look at line 14 : http://pastebin.com/d4ae0db8d |
| 18:09.10 | lbt | grrr |
| 18:09.18 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 18:09.47 | lbt | and, of course, no syntax error because the class I'm in has an add() member.... |
| 18:10.23 | lbt | I now deserve alcohol and food |
| 18:10.25 | Jaffa | lbt: ouch |
| 18:10.25 | lbt | l8r |
| 18:10.52 | lbt | Jaffa: yup |
| 18:11.03 | lbt | nice to spot it though.... |
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| 18:12.17 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I have asked Ferenc to install it. |
| 18:15.17 | crashanddie_ | GeneralAntilles, sometimes I ask myself how you do it to keep your cool towards such trolls |
| 18:15.34 | crashanddie_ | anyway, food time, cheers |
| 18:15.38 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie_, when I don't keep my cool it ends badly. ;) |
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| 18:15.47 | GeneralAntilles | You should see some of the epic threads technut and I had. |
| 18:16.33 | sjgadsby | Heh. Even when you do keep cool, GeneralAntilles, they all too often take offense. |
| 18:16.53 | GeneralAntilles | There's no winning either way. ;) |
| 18:17.43 | zap | Anybody knows why Nokia's volume statusbar applet does not allow to set the volume to max? |
| 18:18.02 | zap | With aumix-gtk you can set about 7% louder volume |
| 18:18.09 | lcuk | zap - mine works well. it goes all the way to 11 |
| 18:18.16 | zap | yours == ? |
| 18:18.19 | glass | 12 |
| 18:18.25 | zap | 12 levels? |
| 18:18.33 | glass | spinal tap reference |
| 18:18.34 | boolean | heh |
| 18:18.37 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, CSS rendering bugs. |
| 18:18.52 | lcuk | zap, read up about spinal tap and amplifiers |
| 18:18.56 | GeneralAntilles | Will they ever get it right? <_< |
| 18:19.17 | lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akaD9v460yI |
| 18:19.30 | zap | lcuk: I don't get it |
| 18:19.35 | lcuk | watch that then |
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| 18:19.46 | summatusmentis | Does anyone have any experience with the gps actually working? even with agps is seems like it takes forever to lock |
| 18:20.03 | summatusmentis | is there a way to use a cell phone for agps location finding? |
| 18:20.17 | lcuk | summatusmentis, where abouts are you in the world |
| 18:20.29 | summatusmentis | lcuk: currently? or in general? |
| 18:20.33 | lcuk | and what sort of city do you live in and how long does it take to lock |
| 18:20.39 | lcuk | in general |
| 18:20.40 | summatusmentis | I'm in the US, roughly the midwest right now |
| 18:21.03 | zap | watched the joke, and still I don't get why Nokia's volume control goes up to 10, while aumix gives you the whole 12 :) |
| 18:21.06 | X-Fade | summatusmentis: Did you install agps-ui? |
| 18:21.24 | summatusmentis | when I tried it in Maine(where I'm at in the summer), I'm in a rural area, and it took 10+ minutes |
| 18:21.27 | summatusmentis | X-Fade: yes |
| 18:21.31 | zap | I have high-impendance headsets, thats why I need more |
| 18:21.46 | X-Fade | summatusmentis: Then how could you miss the cellphone option ;) |
| 18:22.33 | summatusmentis | X-Fade: seriously? Where? |
| 18:22.43 | zap | in agps settings |
| 18:23.03 | lcuk | zap, not sure - different software stacks originally. is aumix a standard 8x0 component? |
| 18:23.11 | X-Fade | summatusmentis: settings-> 'Allow packet data' and set your connection to your phone. |
| 18:23.16 | zap | of course not, it's an ALSA mixer |
| 18:23.26 | lcuk | then thats why one has 12 and the other 10 |
| 18:23.32 | zap | it just shows you what's exposed through ALSA interface |
| 18:23.42 | lcuk | as for high impedence, you might need a line amp or something |
| 18:23.48 | summatusmentis | X-Fade: I assume my phone would need to be connected via bt or some such thing for the connection to be showing up? |
| 18:24.02 | X-Fade | summatusmentis: Sure, how else ;) |
| 18:24.03 | zap | lcuk: well they don't have THAT much impendance :) |
| 18:24.15 | zap | but I'd prefer them a little louder, esp. in metro |
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| 18:24.46 | lcuk | but if the maximum available volume is not enough for you and you have everything at maximum then i dont see what else you can do other than try alternative headphones |
| 18:25.01 | summatusmentis | X-Fade: I'm not getting my phone to show up |
| 18:25.05 | zap | lcuk: with aumix I get enough volume |
| 18:25.27 | X-Fade | summatusmentis: Can you connect to the internet via your phone? |
| 18:25.55 | summatusmentis | X-Fade: yes |
| 18:26.02 | X-Fade | summatusmentis: What do you see in settings inside a-gps beta? |
| 18:27.07 | summatusmentis | A-GPS support: [box] \n Allow Packetdata: [box] \n Preferred connection: [drop menu] |
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| 18:27.28 | X-Fade | summatusmentis: Well, select your connection for your phone and done ;) |
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| 18:28.24 | X-Fade | summatusmentis: Oh, don't tell me. You are using a phone that uses PAN. |
| 18:28.28 | summatusmentis | X-Fade: the connection box is small, and doesn't actually drop down to anything? |
| 18:28.32 | summatusmentis | no, DUN |
| 18:29.06 | X-Fade | summatusmentis: Is your phone connection available in the global connectivity settings? |
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| 18:29.44 | X-Fade | summatusmentis: And does it have this phone icon with the 3 arcs abljt |
| 18:29.47 | summatusmentis | yes |
| 18:29.51 | X-Fade | *above it.. |
| 18:31.45 | lcuk | back later - GeneralAntilles thanks ill speak later |
| 18:32.12 | X-Fade | summatusmentis: I see my 3 connections for my 3 simcards in agps-ui without problems. |
| 18:32.36 | summatusmentis | X-Fade: is it possble my CDMA phone is the issue? |
| 18:32.48 | X-Fade | summatusmentis: Did you create the phone connections with the wizard? Or manually? |
| 18:32.54 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, think I fixed it |
| 18:32.55 | GeneralAntilles | See yah. |
| 18:33.18 | summatusmentis | X-Fade: w/ the wizard |
| 18:33.27 | X-Fade | summatusmentis: Same here ;) |
| 18:33.39 | X-Fade | summatusmentis: Well, then I'm out of options.. |
| 18:34.01 | X-Fade | summatusmentis: You did reboot at least once after install, right? |
| 18:34.22 | summatusmentis | of a-gps-ui? I'm sure I have |
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| 18:34.54 | X-Fade | yep |
| 18:35.29 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, for the change log character limit, how does 1200 sound? |
| 18:35.39 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Insane? |
| 18:35.45 | GeneralAntilles | Really? |
| 18:36.06 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: What about: <Insert link to complete changelog here> :) |
| 18:36.10 | GeneralAntilles | I'm thinking 400 sounds insane. :P |
| 18:36.22 | GeneralAntilles | OK, 800? |
| 18:36.51 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I want to prevent somebody adding 20 lines or more? |
| 18:37.08 | GeneralAntilles | OK, well, this is right on the edge of 400: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/advanced-backlight/ |
| 18:37.11 | GeneralAntilles | Twice that wont hurt anybody |
| 18:37.21 | X-Fade | I'm not sure if it will clutter it more.. |
| 18:37.45 | GeneralAntilles | Could you bounce the "Links" section over to the side, maybe? |
| 18:37.59 | GeneralAntilles | There's a lot of whitespace available on the right. |
| 18:38.08 | X-Fade | Yeah, true. That list isn't that long ;) |
| 18:38.53 | GeneralAntilles | should probably change the screenshot ordering. |
| 18:39.04 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Good luck ;) |
| 18:39.32 | GeneralAntilles | When are the server upgrades coming again? <_< :P |
| 18:40.11 | X-Fade | pokes GeneralAntilles with a very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very sharp stick ;) |
| 18:40.44 | GeneralAntilles | Stupid Finnish holidays. |
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| 18:41.02 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: 800 it is now. |
| 18:41.11 | GeneralAntilles | Thanks |
| 18:41.15 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Try that ;) |
| 18:41.35 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: We can always increase the number when we see problems. |
| 18:43.25 | GeneralAntilles | ~lart Midgard's stupid floating toolbar. |
| 18:43.25 | infobot | smacks Midgard's stupid floating toolbar. up side the head with a clue-by-4 |
| 18:44.10 | lardman | lcuk: mail? |
| 18:45.11 | X-Fade | Ok, I'm out of here.. Have a good weekend ;) |
| 18:45.22 | GeneralAntilles | Bye, X-Fade. |
| 18:46.28 | zap | Ah, advanced backlight changes volume as well |
| 18:46.42 | zap | must try it, maybe it also allows volume up to eleven |
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| 18:50.59 | jott | zap: if not, it should be possible to implement this. |
| 18:51.35 | jott | maybe tell us what you did to maximize it in particular |
| 18:52.22 | khertan | python2.5 buildpackage --source-only |
| 18:52.24 | khertan | oups ww |
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| 18:54.31 | zap | jott: what audio interface are you using to set the volume? |
| 18:54.51 | zap | gstreamer or alsa or oss? |
| 18:56.18 | jott | zap: currently gconf |
| 18:56.25 | zap | aha |
| 18:56.45 | zap | perhaps this is a limitation of whatever daemon reads the setting then |
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| 18:56.54 | jott | i guess so |
| 18:57.06 | zap | or perhaps you can set it more than 12 in gconf, and it'll work, this has to be tried |
| 18:57.07 | jott | but we could still work around this ;) |
| 18:57.13 | khertan | python2.5 --auto-upload-source |
| 18:57.20 | khertan | arg ... |
| 18:57.24 | khertan | sorry |
| 18:57.53 | zap | yes, max in advanced backlight control is still 93 in aumix |
| 18:58.05 | jott | zap: yeah you can just set it /apps/osso/sound/master_volume |
| 18:58.14 | zap | installs gconf |
| 18:58.22 | jott | maybe try to set it via gconftool-2 and tell us if it works |
| 18:58.53 | zap | oops, no gconf-editor for diablo |
| 18:59.07 | jott | sure |
| 18:59.10 | jott | gconftool-2 :) |
| 18:59.24 | jott | tui not gui ;) |
| 19:00.18 | zap | cli not tui :) |
| 19:01.00 | jott | yeah |
| 19:01.02 | jott | you are right ;) |
| 19:01.12 | jott | well spartanic tui :P |
| 19:01.33 | zap | alas, 100 is still 93 |
| 19:01.34 | GeneralAntilles | Just pull the one from Chinook. . . . |
| 19:01.41 | jott | set it to 120% ? |
| 19:01.43 | zap | and 110 is still 93 |
| 19:01.48 | jott | mh |
| 19:01.48 | zap | and 200 is 93 as well :) |
| 19:01.49 | jott | ok |
| 19:01.51 | jott | hehe |
| 19:01.57 | zap | what daemon is reading it? |
| 19:02.03 | jott | good question |
| 19:02.22 | zap | it's either intentional, or a bug |
| 19:03.22 | jott | would be nice if you could find out what polls the gconf value :) |
| 19:03.40 | zap | hehe :) I'll try |
| 19:03.47 | zap | btw, screen rotation has no penalty? |
| 19:04.02 | zap | it's multimediad |
| 19:04.21 | jott | not really, no. some dialogs are broken when rotated |
| 19:04.48 | jott | but other than that there are no known side-effects afaik.. |
| 19:04.51 | GeneralAntilles | Skype is, awesomely, hardcoded for 800x480 |
| 19:04.51 | zap | ah, so it's software rotation? |
| 19:05.06 | jott | no it's hardware rotation |
| 19:05.08 | zap | wonders how one could hardcode resolution with gtk |
| 19:05.21 | GeneralAntilles | zap, dunno, talk to the Skype guys. :D |
| 19:05.24 | zap | :)) |
| 19:05.27 | jott | but some apps/dialogs are just... well broken ;) |
| 19:05.36 | GeneralAntilles | The Application menu is broken. |
| 19:05.38 | zap | too large? |
| 19:05.49 | GeneralAntilles | Width is frequently more than 480px |
| 19:06.00 | zap | I see |
| 19:06.05 | jott | just give it a try.. it has some nice use cases ;) |
| 19:06.11 | GeneralAntilles | So the right side of the dialog/menu/whatever is off the screen. |
| 19:06.54 | zap | what about SDL apps? |
| 19:07.13 | jott | sdl apps will think it's a 480x800 display |
| 19:07.17 | zap | cool |
| 19:08.20 | jott | starts fighting gtk theme drawing internals again... |
| 19:09.49 | qos | jott, hey wanna take a look on the new theme for the advanced applet? |
| 19:10.22 | jott | sure |
| 19:10.35 | zap | Unfortunately, no source for multimediad |
| 19:11.01 | zap | and it's not even in maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries-4.1 |
| 19:11.01 | qos | jott, screenshot or the theme itself? |
| 19:11.12 | jott | qos: both is fine i guess |
| 19:11.33 | qos | jott, this will take a moment |
| 19:11.33 | jott | zap: !#*$% |
| 19:11.48 | qos | jott, whats your email? |
| 19:12.36 | jott | pm |
| 19:17.16 | zap | multimediad sets volume through /dev/dsptask/audiopp |
| 19:17.48 | jott | ah interesting |
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| 19:19.30 | khertan | Hi ! |
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| 19:23.01 | khertan | How time does it take after an upload to the extra builder after an upload extras-assistant to see a result in the mailing list extras-cauldron-builds ? |
| 19:23.17 | GeneralAntilles | 30-minutes-ish, maybe? |
| 19:24.31 | Jaffa | khertan: usually a few minutes if everything's working well. There'll be a folder created in the output dir as soon as it starts being processed |
| 19:24.42 | Jaffa | has never had it take 30 mins unless something was broken. |
| 19:24.52 | khertan | ok thx |
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| 19:32.39 | khertan | W: homeip: executable-not-elf-or-script ./usr/lib/hildon-desktop/homeip.py |
| 19:32.39 | khertan | W: homeip: copyright-contains-dh_make-todo-boilerplate |
| 19:32.39 | khertan | W: homeip: description-synopsis-might-not-be-phrased-properly |
| 19:32.39 | khertan | E: homeip: extended-description-is-empty |
| 19:32.39 | khertan | W: homeip: new-package-should-close-itp-bug |
| 19:32.44 | khertan | oups wrong windows |
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| 19:36.13 | RST38h | http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/11/us/politics/11campaign.html?hp |
| 19:36.15 | RST38h | Hehe |
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| 19:44.10 | khertan | https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2008q3/001088.html |
| 19:44.15 | khertan | First step out ! |
| 19:44.16 | khertan | :) |
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| 19:46.52 | Makegho | hmmh, something wrong with this skype. My friend can hear me but I can't hear him, when he's calling. When I'm calling, he answers the call but for me it's still just displaying "calling.. *ring ring*" or so :) |
| 19:46.58 | zap | khertan: cool, will the new version have a transparent option? :-)) |
| 19:47.16 | khertan | transparent option |
| 19:47.24 | khertan | hey it s HomeIP ... |
| 19:47.28 | khertan | not IPHome :) |
| 19:47.38 | zap | ah :) |
| 19:47.42 | khertan | HomeIP have still the start transparency :) |
| 19:49.12 | khertan | hum update of maemo-wordpy and it s delete again config file... arg |
| 19:49.13 | khertan | arfg |
| 19:50.29 | yerga | hey khertan, sorry for it :) |
| 19:50.34 | yerga | it's the last time |
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| 19:53.24 | yigal | what repository should I use to install canola2 using diablo? |
| 19:54.11 | GeneralAntilles | Chinook Extras |
| 19:54.22 | GeneralAntilles | Though it'll probably be in real Extras in a week or so. |
| 19:54.27 | GeneralAntilles | s/realy/Diablo/ |
| 19:55.22 | yigal | GeneralAntilles: there is a problem with the package I installed, in that it didn't have text,icons menus etc. totally broken is this to be expected in one of the repos.? |
| 19:55.37 | GeneralAntilles | Uh, I think it's from pulling something out of a development repo |
| 19:55.40 | GeneralAntilles | Probably from Extra-devel. |
| 19:56.24 | GeneralAntilles | You could probably do a Canola-clean, disable Extras-devel, reinstall from Chinook Extras and reenable Extras-devel. |
| 19:56.41 | yigal | Ok, will look at what repos. I'm actually using and go with your advice, this is good to hear and I'll try this |
| 19:56.47 | khertan | yerga: hum you are the dev ? |
| 19:56.58 | khertan | do u use a sqllite db ? |
| 19:57.07 | khertan | to store prefs ? |
| 19:57.08 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: blimey - ITT has an RDF like Steve Jobs: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=201353#post201353 |
| 19:57.47 | khertan | garage.maemo.org is down ? or does there is a limit to use extra-assistant ( :) ) ? |
| 19:58.42 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, sarcasm alert. :P |
| 19:58.47 | yerga | khertan, yes I am, it uses the configparser module not sqlite |
| 19:58.59 | khertan | ah ok ... never use it ;) |
| 19:59.02 | yerga | but next version it will use gconf |
| 19:59.17 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: fair enuf, I am knackered :-) |
| 19:59.47 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 19:59.56 | GeneralAntilles | Don't code drunk. |
| 20:00.11 | khertan | never use it too :) |
| 20:00.33 | khertan | i store prefs in sqlite db when i use one :) |
| 20:00.49 | khertan | or worse a serialized python object ;Ã |
| 20:00.51 | khertan | ;) |
| 20:01.21 | khertan | gconf remember me windows registry .... |
| 20:01.28 | khertan | this horrible registry |
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| 20:09.37 | khertan | bye |
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| 20:13.27 | Jaffa | TVs |
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| 20:35.16 | JamieBennett | maemo.org seems to be dieing. Very slow connection and timeouts for me |
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| 20:35.55 | GeneralAntilles | JamieBennett, maemo.org has been slow for the last year. :P |
| 20:36.12 | JamieBennett | GeneralAntilles: only the last year ;) |
| 20:37.27 | GeneralAntilles | Server upgrades are imminent. . . . |
| 20:37.35 | GeneralAntilles | Be sure to bug X-Fade about them. :D |
| 20:37.35 | JamieBennett | lets hope so |
| 20:37.42 | GeneralAntilles | No, really. |
| 20:37.45 | GeneralAntilles | Next month or so |
| 20:37.52 | GeneralAntilles | Whenever the Finns get back from vacation. |
| 20:38.15 | JamieBennett | ah good, maemo.org is a pig to navigate at times |
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| 20:38.50 | GNUton | Hi there |
| 20:38.52 | GNUton | hi jott! |
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| 20:53.57 | jott | hello GNUton |
| 20:54.06 | GNUton | hey jott:) |
| 20:54.24 | GNUton | jott: how are you? |
| 20:54.38 | jott | just made some food.. and still playing around with QGtkStyle ;) |
| 20:55.20 | GNUton | :) great I´m in my bad.. I´m very tired.. but I read your mail... |
| 20:55.29 | jott | yeah just read your reply |
| 20:55.44 | jott | any comments on this: http://code.google.com/p/qgtkstyle/issues/detail?id=40 |
| 20:55.50 | jott | regarding MAEMO_CHANGES ? |
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| 20:56.48 | Makegho | does anyone else think that the chess game is a bit too hard in easy mode? ;) |
| 20:56.54 | GNUton | no I´m thinking how can be resolved the problem of the light.. |
| 20:57.08 | Makegho | is there a super easy mode somehow, for those who have played only some years? |
| 20:57.52 | jott | GNUton: one way would introduce MAEMO_CHANGES in QGtkStyle ;) |
| 20:58.24 | jott | not sure what jens thinks about this.. |
| 20:58.47 | jott | i'm from berlin/germany btw ;) |
| 20:59.01 | jott | GNUton: will you be at the summit? |
| 20:59.36 | jott | would be a nice place/time to show the state of qt4 on maemo.. |
| 20:59.36 | GNUton | I don´t know yet, probably.. |
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| 21:00.46 | GNUton | jott: ok :) |
| 21:01.32 | GNUton | there are a lot of german guy... wherever! |
| 21:01.35 | GNUton | :) |
| 21:01.51 | GNUton | guys |
| 21:03.23 | jott | GNUton: have you any plans for the right mouse button? |
| 21:03.58 | GNUton | no, I haven´t yet. |
| 21:04.18 | GNUton | And you? |
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| 21:06.14 | jott | GNUton: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3540 you probably have seen this, right? |
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| 21:07.10 | GNUton | jott: Yes, I know! :) |
| 21:07.26 | jott | might be worth to collaborate |
| 21:08.27 | jott | haven't looked at the code.. seems to be deep in his gsoc branch :P |
| 21:10.13 | jott | but having this on qt and not kdelibs layer would be benefitial.. |
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| 21:10.29 | GNUton | Basically his hack works like he hildon RMB. |
| 21:10.39 | jott | yeah.. |
| 21:10.57 | GNUton | By the way it doesn´t seems so hard to code.. |
| 21:11.30 | jott | well there are some possible glitches, but in the end it should be just a few lines of code.. |
| 21:12.24 | megabyte405 | interestingly enough that's how macs have done it for years |
| 21:12.36 | megabyte405 | (well, that and control-clicking) |
| 21:14.04 | jott | you have to be creative if you only have one mouse button ;) |
| 21:14.21 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 21:14.30 | GeneralAntilles | Thankfully they ship a slightly less retarded mouse these days. |
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| 21:14.55 | GeneralAntilles | Though I only know one Apple user who actually uses an Apple mouse at the moment. . . . |
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| 21:15.16 | jott | probably because the name just scares people away ;) |
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| 21:16.13 | megabyte405 | yeah, the mighty mouse isn't great, two-finger touchpad scrolling is pretty close to genius though |
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| 21:17.01 | GeneralAntilles | The scrolling nipple might be OK if it could be cleaned. |
| 21:17.16 | GeneralAntilles | But the capacitive right-click is just awful. |
| 21:17.37 | lcuk | gen, just have a bath if your nipple needs cleaning |
| 21:17.41 | GeneralAntilles | three-finger swiping for forward/back is pretty awesome, too. |
| 21:17.45 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, reload. |
| 21:17.46 | lcuk | but i would generally recommending not letting your pets suckle |
| 21:17.49 | GeneralAntilles | It gained more awesome. |
| 21:18.31 | lcuk | awesome++ the left hand side tabbed look is bang on :D |
| 21:18.44 | GeneralAntilles | It was actually surprisingly easy to fix |
| 21:18.50 | GeneralAntilles | Though I don't know what I really did. |
| 21:18.56 | lcuk | i wouldnt have been able to explain how it shouldv been, but you got it niiiiiiiiiice |
| 21:19.08 | gourdin | you know what, 'fit to screen width' is necessary, when you zoom in, you don't want to scroll left and right each lines |
| 21:19.29 | GeneralAntilles | gourdin, code up a patch to make it not suck. |
| 21:20.08 | lcuk | the missus is just asking, but can someone give me one word that you think of when i say "Darius" |
| 21:20.23 | GeneralAntilles | crazy. |
| 21:20.44 | gourdin | GeneralAntilles: ho, yeah |
| 21:20.48 | gourdin | hmmm |
| 21:20.58 | gourdin | ok |
| 21:21.17 | gourdin | great |
| 21:21.40 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, reload again. |
| 21:21.44 | RST38h | lcuk aminazin |
| 21:22.26 | lcuk | omg the word screenshots doesnt fit! |
| 21:22.40 | lcuk | RST38h, aminazin - is that for darius or the web |
| 21:22.42 | GeneralAntilles | Really? |
| 21:22.45 | GeneralAntilles | Fits here |
| 21:22.46 | lcuk | or my typos |
| 21:22.46 | GeneralAntilles | Interesting |
| 21:22.53 | lcuk | remember, big fonts |
| 21:22.55 | RST38h | lcuk: for darius of course |
| 21:23.54 | RST38h | anybody knows if osso-xterm can be configured from command line? |
| 21:24.00 | gourdin | GeneralAntilles: you give a pretty bad image |
| 21:24.15 | lcuk | hmmmmm 'you know where it says "awesome slogan here" it should say "f**kin fed up of seeing it". ' |
| 21:24.16 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I'm a terrible evil person. I know. |
| 21:24.26 | RST38h | or maybe there are some per-window settings that can be applied? |
| 21:24.27 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, how about now? |
| 21:24.37 | GeneralAntilles | (svn commit only took 45 seconds) |
| 21:24.45 | gourdin | GeneralAntilles: yeah, i think so |
| 21:24.54 | GeneralAntilles | Then we're in agreement, excellent! |
| 21:24.58 | lcuk | ahhh it fits and when scrolled, i think i should go though, the missus really does look grumpy tonight, cyas later |
| 21:25.01 | RST38h | ga: eat another kitten and rejoice |
| 21:25.01 | lcuk | yes |
| 21:25.21 | GeneralAntilles | Damn him. |
| 21:25.24 | GeneralAntilles | I want content now! |
| 21:25.36 | jott | RST38h: there are some gconf settings for it. |
| 21:25.56 | RST38h | jott: but they are global, right? |
| 21:26.25 | jott | yes |
| 21:26.26 | gourdin | GeneralAntilles: hmmm, almost |
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| 21:27.51 | RST38h | too bad |
| 21:27.56 | gourdin | GeneralAntilles: when i say : the fit thing is usefull for some people, i'm not attacking you, you know that, don't you ? |
| 21:29.12 | gourdin | you take everything so personaly, perhaps a missunderstanding.. don't know |
| 21:29.20 | jott | garage is so damn unusable atm.. |
| 21:29.31 | GeneralAntilles | I'm just really bored with people that just come around to bitch and moan. :) |
| 21:30.26 | gourdin | GeneralAntilles: why people bitch and moan ? |
| 21:31.15 | RST38h | gourdin: because they are not getting enough mood altering drugs of course |
| 21:31.29 | gourdin | RST38h: :)) |
| 21:32.47 | RST38h | mentally thanks Pidgin developers for a new Maemo version |
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| 21:35.15 | gourdin | perhpas this is not the right place to ask for tech support on n8x0 ? |
| 21:37.16 | RST38h | what was your question anyway? |
| 21:37.54 | yigal | GeneralAntilles suggested I use the 'internet call' app. rather than gizmo to use sip phone but I've created an account and am having difficulties connecting to the server |
| 21:37.58 | yigal | this way |
| 21:38.11 | yigal | through gizmo it works, but it is a very nasty interface - imo |
| 21:39.09 | yigal | can I use <my user name>@gizmo5.com or something else, also does anyone know if I have to connect through a special port? |
| 21:39.16 | RST38h | ok. so what is your problem with ga? |
| 21:39.46 | RST38h | you like gizmo better - use gizmo, there is nothing wrong with that |
| 21:40.02 | yigal | no I dislike gizmo's app. quite a lot |
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| 21:40.18 | GeneralAntilles | yigal, <username>@proxy01.sipphone.com |
| 21:40.26 | RST38h | ok, so you dislike both apps? |
| 21:40.36 | GeneralAntilles | Then tap Advanced |
| 21:40.49 | crashanddie_ | back |
| 21:40.50 | yigal | no I very much enjoy the simplicity of 'internet call' |
| 21:41.11 | RST38h | so use internet call |
| 21:41.27 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, he needs the right settings. |
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| 21:42.01 | yigal | RST38h: I'm sorry if I wasn't clear enough |
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| 21:42.17 | RST38h | google. somebody must have hit this problem before. |
| 21:42.29 | GeneralAntilles | I'm explaining it right now. :P |
| 21:42.35 | GeneralAntilles | yigal, edit the account |
| 21:42.41 | crashanddie_ | yigal, when I configured my SIP account (not gizmo, my ISP's), I noticed that too much information basically borked it. |
| 21:42.46 | florian | re |
| 21:42.48 | crashanddie_ | yigal, go light on the info |
| 21:42.56 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 21:43.04 | GeneralAntilles | Or just listen to what I'm going to tell you to do. :P |
| 21:43.11 | crashanddie_ | or that |
| 21:43.55 | yigal | GeneralAntilles: that is what I have learned to do, "just listen to what I'm going to tell you to do" it's worked so far :) |
| 21:44.18 | GeneralAntilles | Tap the presence applet |
| 21:44.25 | GeneralAntilles | Tap Account settings |
| 21:44.35 | GeneralAntilles | Select your Gizmo account, click edit. |
| 21:44.52 | GeneralAntilles | <username>@proxy01.sipphone.com |
| 21:44.55 | yigal | GeneralAntilles: it's working now |
| 21:44.58 | GeneralAntilles | Oh? |
| 21:45.01 | yigal | GeneralAntilles: I read it the 1st time |
| 21:45.05 | yigal | GeneralAntilles: thanks |
| 21:45.05 | GeneralAntilles | Ah |
| 21:45.06 | GeneralAntilles | Good |
| 21:45.11 | GeneralAntilles | Didn't get a confirmation. :P |
| 21:45.28 | yigal | GeneralAntilles: was trying to confirm if it worked, just did |
| 21:45.30 | yigal | it does |
| 21:46.33 | yigal | can I delete the gizmo app. or is it useful for anything? |
| 21:47.19 | GeneralAntilles | You can delete it |
| 21:47.25 | GeneralAntilles | It provides video calling, I suppose |
| 21:47.27 | GeneralAntilles | But that'd be it. |
| 21:47.30 | yigal | Yay :) |
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| 21:50.49 | lardman|afk | what was the issue with XTerm wrt dyntick? |
| 21:51.27 | lardman | there was something that meant/s if you leave an xterm open overnight it kills the battery |
| 21:51.51 | lardman | just trying to add proof to my vague recollection |
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| 21:53.16 | lardman | it's Friday, why am I so tired? |
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| 21:53.37 | qwerty12_N800 | you too, eh? :( |
| 21:54.29 | lardman | yeah, Holly's already asleep; must be all the rain, going back to hibernation mode |
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| 21:55.07 | yigal_800 | xchat for maemo is nice!! |
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| 21:56.34 | yigal_800 | test: im still too slow with the stylus however |
| 21:57.04 | GeneralAntilles | Stylus sucks! |
| 21:57.10 | GeneralAntilles | finger keyboard is the way to do it. |
| 21:57.36 | yigal | umm, ok, will try it next time :) |
| 21:57.54 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: you about |
| 21:58.07 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: going to see you in Berlin then? |
| 21:58.29 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: I'm sure a man of your talents could manage a fake passport (age) ;) |
| 21:58.33 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, pong. :P |
| 21:58.44 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: same question to you! |
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| 21:58.56 | GeneralAntilles | Highly unlikely. |
| 21:59.06 | lardman | :( |
| 21:59.10 | GeneralAntilles | Unless something changes significantly in the next week or so and I can get sponsorship. |
| 21:59.39 | lardman | 2 separate problems or one and the same? |
| 22:00.00 | GeneralAntilles | Well, I'm up in the air on a family reunion that either that weekend or the next. |
| 22:00.17 | GeneralAntilles | Don't find out about that until probably the end of this month. |
| 22:00.24 | crashanddie | lardman, I'm taking it you're going ? |
| 22:00.27 | GeneralAntilles | Don't want to take a sponsorship slot if I can't actually go |
| 22:00.35 | lardman | crashanddie: yes, all confirmed |
| 22:00.38 | crashanddie | [djeezus I'm irritated when I don't have something to smoke] |
| 22:00.43 | GeneralAntilles | and there's no way I can swing a $1500-$2200 plane ticket without sponsorship. ;) |
| 22:00.51 | lardman | crashanddie: Going to be talking about DSP programming, something like that anywya |
| 22:01.22 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: There is sponsorship available, you just need to confirm asap |
| 22:01.28 | lardman | Is it really that dear? |
| 22:01.38 | lardman | expensive that is |
| 22:01.43 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 22:01.49 | crashanddie | lardman, cool, I look forward to hearing what you have so say :) |
| 22:01.51 | GeneralAntilles | Confirming ASAP isn't gonna happen. ;) |
| 22:02.08 | crashanddie | s/so/to |
| 22:02.23 | lardman | crashanddie: me too ;) |
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| 22:02.31 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: :S |
| 22:02.46 | GeneralAntilles | The next Maemo summit. ;) |
| 22:03.04 | lardman | :) good good |
| 22:03.19 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, if I have a job, and you don't get nokia subvention for the next summit |
| 22:03.24 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, I'll pay for the ticket myself |
| 22:03.28 | Medic119 | anyone have a copy of syncevoltuion that works in OS2008? |
| 22:03.39 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 22:03.44 | GeneralAntilles | That would be quite the donation. |
| 22:04.51 | lardman | ~£500 atm from Bristol->Florida |
| 22:05.26 | crashanddie | lardman, ~£500 still converts to USD 2.3M |
| 22:05.33 | crashanddie | given the current currency |
| 22:05.49 | lardman | crashanddie: glad to hear it as I'm in Chicago week after next :) |
| 22:05.55 | crashanddie | lardman, :D |
| 22:06.13 | lardman | I'll take 15p and live like a king! ;) |
| 22:06.34 | RST38bis | lardman: iphone 3g! |
| 22:06.56 | lardman | RST38bis: can you change the network they are on? |
| 22:07.05 | crashanddie | nope, still simlocked |
| 22:07.12 | crashanddie | and you have to activate the phone in the shop |
| 22:07.21 | lardman | hmm, will need a very strong signal to work back home then :) |
| 22:07.39 | RST38bis | no, but you are not buying it to use it are you? =) |
| 22:07.39 | lardman | starts saving Pringles tubes |
| 22:08.02 | qwerty12-N800 | or see if at&t do really long roaming |
| 22:08.04 | lardman | RST38bis: gf already has an ipod touch, so seen it all, etc., |
| 22:08.18 | RST38bis | it is an object d'art! |
| 22:08.27 | lardman | qwerty12-N800: don't you accidentally get charged £20k for that?! |
| 22:08.49 | qwerty12-N800 | something like that :p |
| 22:08.55 | lardman | RST38bis: agreed, it's very snazzy; lots of thoughts for the ITs |
| 22:09.37 | Medic119 | Ya know if AT&T had decent data plan rates, I might have gotten an iPhone instead of my n810. Now I have to figure out how to pay for AT&T in Alaska..urgh. |
| 22:10.03 | RST38bis | thought 1: nokia should hire steve jobs |
| 22:10.25 | Medic119 | RST38bis: Not Jobs, just his UI designers.. |
| 22:10.36 | RST38bis | isn't alascom att now? |
| 22:11.30 | RST38bis | ui designers are useless if told to design around crappy paradigm |
| 22:11.39 | crashanddie | qwerty12-N800, I almost cracked the map repository |
| 22:11.51 | lardman | hmm, after my masterplan to save array dimensions in the first array element I realise I need to have 2D arrays :( |
| 22:12.12 | qwerty12-N800 | crashanddie, what's wrong? |
| 22:12.29 | crashanddie | qwerty12-N800, the version of the map |
| 22:12.38 | crashanddie | qwerty12-N800, I don't know how the software knows which version to take |
| 22:14.25 | GeneralAntilles | Ignore the retarded filler content: http://liqbase.garage.maemo.org/working/index.html |
| 22:14.35 | GeneralAntilles | Comments? Suggestions? |
| 22:14.36 | qwerty12-N800 | crashanddie, :/, I'll see if i can upload an maps folder tomorrow. |
| 22:15.06 | Medic119 | GA: what are we commenting on exactly? |
| 22:15.14 | GeneralAntilles | The website |
| 22:15.32 | Medic119 | oh, design? Its good an simple. |
| 22:15.35 | Medic119 | Easy to read. |
| 22:15.39 | crashanddie | qwerty12-N800, no need |
| 22:15.43 | lardman | very snazzy, except the links don't do anything |
| 22:16.05 | lardman | home=about* |
| 22:16.09 | crashanddie | qwerty12-N800, I cracked the whole sequence, from getting the map list, to getting the list of files to download, to downloading each file |
| 22:16.10 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, filler content. ;) |
| 22:16.16 | lardman | ok :) |
| 22:16.16 | GeneralAntilles | The links work, the pages are just mostly all the same. |
| 22:16.23 | lardman | ah, right |
| 22:16.25 | crashanddie | qwerty12-N800, there's just one info that is still opaque, gimme a minute, gotta take care of something |
| 22:17.07 | qwerty12-N800 | crashanddie, heh nice work. dunno why navicore are so secretive about it. |
| 22:17.20 | Medic119 | I get a little lag which switching tabs in FF 3.0/ openSuse |
| 22:20.01 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno, Medic119. Maybe Garage slowness? There only thing interesting going on is the embedded YouTube video on the screenshots page |
| 22:20.25 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, crap, the navbar alignment is messed up in Firefox again. . . . |
| 22:20.34 | GeneralAntilles | ~lart buggy CSS rendering engines |
| 22:20.34 | infobot | readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at buggy CSS rendering engines |
| 22:20.48 | Medic119 | Dunno. Switching between tabs took just long enough to notice. It loading everything up before making the switch? |
| 22:21.25 | GeneralAntilles | Does it take long to switch after you've loaded the page and it's in the cache? |
| 22:21.37 | GeneralAntilles | i.e., switch back and forth between two tabs a couple times. |
| 22:23.03 | Medic119 | It takes about a second to swap tabs, but it may be garage at the moment as it took it a few seconds to even come up this time. |
| 22:23.41 | GeneralAntilles | Ugh, FF3 is so ridiculously slow on PPC. |
| 22:23.59 | summatusmentis | you're on PPC? sad |
| 22:24.01 | GeneralAntilles | Now that is damn weird |
| 22:24.13 | GeneralAntilles | FF3 renders the same page differently locally and on the server. |
| 22:24.18 | GeneralAntilles | svn is in sync. . . . |
| 22:24.20 | GeneralAntilles | wtf |
| 22:24.23 | Medic119 | lol.. I am on a Core2 Machine and 64 bit linux. I am still going pretty sweet, but FF is buggy with video right now |
| 22:24.41 | GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, my dual G5 kicks your ass. ;) |
| 22:24.46 | lardman | bah, 64bit is a pita |
| 22:25.06 | Medic119 | When I built my site, I noticed FF tended to keep things in the cache and wouldn't update, even if told to do so. I had to manually flush between test updates locally. |
| 22:25.07 | GeneralAntilles | It's always Firefox that breaks on my websites. . . . |
| 22:25.08 | summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: I'd rather have my core2 duo, thanks |
| 22:25.12 | crashanddie | qwerty12-N800, this is the full discussion between Map and the servers: http://slexy.org/raw/s20cyQHDp9 |
| 22:25.13 | lardman | I don't like flash, but unfortunately some websites to, it was a real pain to get working |
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| 22:25.43 | Medic119 | 64bit openSuse is pretty stable now. I went back to 32 bit on 10.3 because too much was not there, but I haven't had any issues with 11.0 yet |
| 22:25.55 | GeneralAntilles | So, how many pixels wide is the border between the navbar and the content on here in FF3? http://liqbase.garage.maemo.org/working/index.html |
| 22:25.56 | GeneralAntilles | Two? |
| 22:26.05 | lardman | Medic119: working ff plugins? |
| 22:26.21 | summatusmentis | people use openSuse? |
| 22:26.29 | Medic119 | See I design for FF and maneuver for Safari/Gecko, and then I *might* add some call for IE if I feel like it. I got tired of IE crap. |
| 22:26.45 | Medic119 | So far everything seems to be working fine lardman. |
| 22:27.05 | summatusmentis | toodles all |
| 22:27.11 | lardman | Medic119: things have moved on since I last tried then :) |
| 22:27.17 | Medic119 | I switched from Fedora to openSuse (via Ubuntu) because the hardware was easier to deal with in Opensuse of all things |
| 22:27.18 | lardman | night summatusmentis |
| 22:27.42 | Medic119 | lardman: in 10.3 I had to downgrade to 32-bit cause half what I needed didn't work in 64 bit |
| 22:27.48 | lardman | went from Mandrake to Ubuntu |
| 22:27.59 | crashanddie | qwerty12-N800, the other interesting part is when it gets the "component list" http://slexy.org/view/s20uKRcqC3 |
| 22:28.07 | GeneralAntilles | Er, Medic119, you design for Firefox yet maneuver for Gecko? :P |
| 22:28.31 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody want to tell me how that border renders in FF3 since my copy is retarded? |
| 22:28.41 | Medic119 | yea, get it all to work in FF, then make subtle changes for Safari, et al. I know they have the same base, but they don't all reander exactly the same |
| 22:28.51 | GeneralAntilles | Safari uses Gecko? |
| 22:28.57 | GeneralAntilles | :P |
| 22:29.08 | GeneralAntilles | (hint, Firefox is Gecko, Safari is WebKit) ;) |
| 22:29.23 | Medic119 | It was based on Gecko was it not? It was supposed to be a FF child. |
| 22:29.27 | GeneralAntilles | No. |
| 22:29.30 | GeneralAntilles | You're confused. |
| 22:29.35 | Medic119 | Must be. |
| 22:29.36 | GeneralAntilles | WebKit is based on KHTML |
| 22:29.43 | Medic119 | Anyway, your borders look fine here. |
| 22:29.49 | GeneralAntilles | Weird |
| 22:29.55 | crashanddie | qwerty12-N800, and I'm still trying to understand what this conversation is about: http://slexy.org/view/s2Pgdob7ud (this is the very first action in the whole map retrieval process) |
| 22:30.22 | Medic119 | there is no outside border on the big tabs, but neither is there one around the whole page. |
| 22:31.17 | Medic119 | There is no padding around screenshots either. |
| 22:31.29 | qwerty12-N800 | crashanddie, i wish i knew :(.. seems like maybe it's authenicating itself |
| 22:32.01 | crashanddie | I don't know honestly |
| 22:32.02 | Medic119 | FYI, there are other gecko browsers that aren't FF, but are based on Gecko (Konqueror comes to mind) |
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| 22:33.19 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, you wouldn't have a bright idea how to decrypt all this mess ? |
| 22:33.24 | Veggen | hmmf. I have a weird bug with maemo mapper. |
| 22:33.26 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, no. |
| 22:33.29 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, back already? |
| 22:33.36 | Medic119 | out.. later. |
| 22:33.36 | lcuk | yes :D |
| 22:33.38 | Veggen | My maps does not want to align. |
| 22:34.09 | crashanddie | !NC#0211aaeCe/P3leRilW98xM4XjkrtHowzhRZJPCtjSFG1epg/KRNSyA1xCNgocVa2uAmXOkGxr/Vc5NcJ1smBl6b |
| 22:34.28 | crashanddie | what kind of encryption/string modification would produce this ? |
| 22:34.36 | lcuk | crashanddiehaveyoufallenasleeponyourkeyboard |
| 22:35.03 | lcuk | whats the original and i could tell you, otherwise: its encrypted so how should we know? |
| 22:35.20 | GeneralAntilles | <_< |
| 22:35.34 | lcuk | actually, it just looks formatted |
| 22:35.41 | crashanddie | yeah, encoded |
| 22:35.46 | lcuk | got any other examples |
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| 22:36.12 | lcuk | if so, get them all in a big long list in pastebin |
| 22:36.32 | qos_ | lcuk, some encryptions create special cipher texts... he asks for that |
| 22:38.07 | crashanddie | lcuk, yeah, I can get a few other examples |
| 22:38.30 | lcuk | crash, are they all the same length and similar formatting |
| 22:38.40 | lcuk | who wants a beer btw? |
| 22:38.47 | Mousey | me, pls |
| 22:38.55 | qos_ | lcuk, i take 2 |
| 22:38.59 | lcuk | via email or ssh? |
| 22:39.08 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, reload and click About. |
| 22:39.10 | GeneralAntilles | Few minor changes. |
| 22:39.11 | qos_ | give me the link ... |
| 22:39.14 | Mousey | rsync, here |
| 22:39.24 | Mousey | wget.. bget? |
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| 22:39.46 | crashanddie | lcuk, I'll take one too |
| 22:39.51 | crashanddie | lcuk, I'm out of my main drug |
| 22:39.54 | crashanddie | lcuk, nicotine :( |
| 22:40.06 | lardman | mmmm, beer |
| 22:40.21 | qos_ | crashanddie, i didn't smoked a cigarette for 2 days now :D |
| 22:40.30 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, that is about the most awesome thing in a book of awesomeness that ive ever seen. even awesome-o thinks its cool :D |
| 22:40.38 | lcuk | i actually really like that |
| 22:40.53 | lcuk | crashanddie, find novel things to build cigs out of |
| 22:41.04 | GeneralAntilles | It's an idea that I had sort of half-implemented in the original. |
| 22:41.12 | qos_ | i think i will stop thinking about that and goto bed ... |
| 22:41.19 | GeneralAntilles | Thank Jaffa for the inspiration for that particular implementation. |
| 22:41.46 | pupnik | what is awesome? |
| 22:42.03 | lardman | I'm off to bed too, night chaps |
| 22:42.07 | pupnik | cheers lardman |
| 22:42.07 | lcuk | gnite lardman |
| 22:42.10 | qos_ | night... |
| 22:42.13 | lcuk | does quickdraw |
| 22:43.16 | lcuk | dunno if i can tell you pupnik. this is GeneralAntilles's conception |
| 22:44.21 | lcuk | i havent had my 810 on all night |
| 22:44.36 | GeneralAntilles | I shared it in the channel 20 minutes ago. ;) |
| 22:44.50 | Mousey | welp, off to seattle.. ttyl, internets!! |
| 22:44.54 | GeneralAntilles | Now get me some content so I can actually get rolling. :P |
| 22:45.15 | lcuk | alrighty lol |
| 22:45.22 | GeneralAntilles | Actually, where's that outline from LinuxTag? |
| 22:45.25 | GeneralAntilles | That'd be a decent start. |
| 22:45.44 | lcuk | http://liquid.googlepages.com/linuxtag_notes |
| 22:45.57 | lcuk | but thats awfullo |
| 22:46.06 | lcuk | or is it |
| 22:46.19 | lcuk | hmmm, for the about thing |
| 22:46.22 | GeneralAntilles | Revise that slightly to change it from a talk to an about page. |
| 22:46.26 | GeneralAntilles | It'll be perfect. |
| 22:47.46 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe par it down by about a page. |
| 22:48.19 | lcuk | ok, to get all this timed i will have to schedule everything, is the garage todo list ok, or is there perhaps some sort of shopping type application around which i might be able to use? lbt |
| 22:48.49 | lcuk | by lots - i pared it down to 6 a5 cue cards for ltag ;) |
| 22:49.03 | GeneralAntilles | shudders at the thought of the Garage task tracker. |
| 22:49.12 | lcuk | then dropped them when some geezer shoved a big mic in my face :S |
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| 23:13.04 | lbt | nearly there... |
| 23:14.35 | lbt | found some kind of bug in gtkmm - triggering a Gtk::HBox->remove() of a Gtk::Entry on the Gtk::Entry activate signal causes a segfault. |
| 23:14.37 | lcuk | lol |
| 23:14.50 | lcuk | oh cripes |
| 23:15.10 | lcuk | i spotted the strange one you had before with the object,basemethod() |
| 23:15.29 | lbt | yep - that was fun |
| 23:15.45 | lcuk | that would be a doozy of a thing to debug: but it wouldnt have occured if you didnt recurse your classes |
| 23:16.16 | lcuk | a wonderful thing to do by the way, i have been building my classes without realising it was possible. |
| 23:16.38 | lbt | this is a method of a deep base class (Gtk::Widget) |
| 23:17.00 | lbt | so any widget containing a container widget has the same methods |
| 23:17.06 | lcuk | why are you removing something that you are entering |
| 23:17.42 | lcuk | i would imagine that removing yourself whilst in the middle of working on yourself would be a bit of a nono |
| 23:17.47 | lbt | If I instansiate (sp?) lots of Entry boxes then it goes slow :( |
| 23:18.00 | lbt | it doesn't delete itseld |
| 23:18.03 | lbt | `f |
| 23:18.05 | lbt | (cat!!!) |
| 23:18.09 | lcuk | lol |
| 23:18.18 | lbt | it just de-parent's itself |
| 23:18.43 | lcuk | and reparents itself where it is needed for the next one? |
| 23:18.50 | lbt | but I think the gtk 'activate' may try to trigger a default 'OK' button in the parent |
| 23:18.56 | lbt | kindof |
| 23:19.05 | lcuk | i gather as you enter a simple check item it becomes a fully editable one |
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| 23:19.14 | lbt | yes |
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| 23:19.24 | lbt | click on the label and it becomes an Entry |
| 23:19.31 | lcuk | and the slowdown is because having so many textboxes on screen is a bit cack |
| 23:19.39 | lbt | yes |
| 23:19.51 | lbt | they're all fully featured editors!! |
| 23:19.59 | lbt | and having 50 or so... |
| 23:20.03 | lbt | eek |
| 23:20.05 | lcuk | ok, have you thought about not really reparenting, just put a single entry box on the form and move it over where it needs to be |
| 23:20.15 | lbt | (worked fine in Qtopia on the Zaurus though) |
| 23:20.28 | lcuk | is this gtk |
| 23:20.31 | lcuk | yes it |
| 23:20.33 | lbt | I create/delete it on the fly - it's fine |
| 23:20.36 | lcuk | you say up there |
| 23:20.49 | lbt | it all works when I get the 'focus lost' signal |
| 23:20.54 | lbt | just not the 'activate' |
| 23:21.06 | lbt | I even added button click signals - they're fine |
| 23:21.35 | lbt | http://www.gtkmm.org/docs/gtkmm-2.4/docs/reference/html/classGtk_1_1Entry.html#8ca968ac536264b82d7f603d5c985c4d |
| 23:21.45 | lcuk | [X] label1 [X] label2 [X] label3 at the start its this |
| 23:22.05 | lbt | yes |
| 23:22.25 | lcuk | [X] entry1 [X] label2 [X] label3 the user clicks on label1 |
| 23:22.30 | lcuk | it creates entry1 |
| 23:22.32 | lbt | yes |
| 23:22.41 | lcuk | do you wanna draw and explain |
| 23:22.53 | mgedmin | lbt: a cheap workaround would be to postpone the removal of the entry a bit by using an idle handler |
| 23:22.54 | lcuk | clicking on 2 does what |
| 23:23.28 | lbt | I'm suspecting set_activates_default() |
| 23:23.30 | lbt | (For experts: if setting is true, the entry calls Gtk::Window::activate_default() on the window containing the entry, in the default handler for the Gtk::Widget::activate signal.) |
| 23:24.03 | lbt | mgedmin: ugh |
| 23:24.09 | lcuk | lbt |
| 23:24.09 | lbt | mgedmin: I thought about it :) |
| 23:24.24 | lbt | it creates entry2 |
| 23:24.30 | lbt | which gets focus |
| 23:24.32 | lcuk | [X] entry1 [X] entry2 [X] label3 when the user clicks on label2, does it create entry2 before it deletes entry1 |
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| 23:24.35 | lbt | and that deletes entry1 |
| 23:24.45 | lbt | which saves entry1->text to the data |
| 23:24.55 | lbt | which sends a signal to the label |
| 23:25.01 | lbt | (which just unhid) |
| 23:25.12 | lbt | to change state to display the new data |
| 23:25.18 | lbt | quite nice really |
| 23:25.32 | lcuk | ok, write the data to the data on lost focus or deshade or whatever its called when you move out of a field |
| 23:25.41 | lcuk | dont think about removing it yet |
| 23:26.05 | lcuk | simply save it away in one swift motion with nothing to do with anything (and it will also ensure its caught when user clicks the menu button) |
| 23:26.25 | mgedmin | lcuk: it's called "blur" |
| 23:26.31 | mgedmin | the opposite of "focus" ;-) |
| 23:26.32 | lcuk | thanks mgedmin :) |
| 23:26.33 | lbt | backtrace: http://pastebin.com/d2a4be627 |
| 23:26.38 | lcuk | gotfocus |
| 23:26.40 | lcuk | lostfocus |
| 23:26.41 | lcuk | ;) |
| 23:27.10 | lbt | line 10 is my innocent remove() |
| 23:27.18 | lcuk | lbt, once you have removed the getting/setting code and you know entry1 needs removing it will be simpler |
| 23:27.49 | lbt | there are 2 paths into this function - lose focus signal or activate signal |
| 23:28.00 | lbt | one works fine, the other doesn't |
| 23:28.22 | lbt | so it's not a deleting myself type problem |
| 23:28.53 | mgedmin | strange... |
| 23:29.04 | lbt | yes |
| 23:29.46 | lbt | nb - I just stopped it from searching the parent window for an activate_default |
| 23:29.53 | lcuk | in the example above, the user has just clicked label2, entry2 has been created and entry2_activate is being run. what specifically does it remove? entry1 for sure or entry2 |
| 23:30.42 | lbt | not quite |
| 23:30.56 | lbt | activate is run when the user hits <RETURN> |
| 23:31.49 | lbt | so if I click L1, L1 is remove()ed from the container |
| 23:31.55 | lbt | E1 is created and added |
| 23:32.01 | lbt | it then gets focus |
| 23:32.03 | lbt | all fine |
| 23:32.21 | lbt | when I click L2, L2 is remove()ed |
| 23:32.33 | lbt | E2 is created and gets focus |
| 23:32.55 | lbt | E1 loses focus and the lose_focus callback is run |
| 23:33.09 | lbt | this remove()s E1 from the container and adds L1 |
| 23:33.17 | lbt | it then copies data from E1 -> DB |
| 23:33.25 | lbt | then deletes E1 |
| 23:33.37 | lbt | that works fine |
| 23:33.57 | lbt | now |
| 23:33.59 | lcuk | ok fair enough :) |
| 23:34.06 | lbt | so if I click L1, L1 is remove()ed from the container |
| 23:34.10 | lbt | E1 is created and added |
| 23:34.16 | lbt | it then gets focus |
| 23:34.33 | lbt | I then edit |
| 23:34.37 | lbt | and hit return |
| 23:34.48 | lcuk | ok |
| 23:34.50 | lbt | the activate callback is run |
| 23:34.54 | lbt | (same fn) |
| 23:35.02 | lbt | this remove()s E1 from the container and adds L1 |
| 23:35.07 | lbt | it then copies data from E1 -> DB |
| 23:35.11 | lbt | then deletes E1 |
| 23:35.23 | lbt | but it crashes (line 10) in the remove() |
| 23:35.25 | lbt | weird |
| 23:35.51 | crashanddie | anyone know of a language/data structure where strings/rows are terminated by 0x02 ? |
| 23:36.09 | lbt | COBOL? |
| 23:36.11 | lcuk | not really. in a lostfocus event, the base control sounds like it has simply been written to handle this and not need to do anything more with the control |
| 23:36.38 | lcuk | however, pressing enter sounds like a more advanced event which thinks you are in the middle of something and is not expecting it |
| 23:36.54 | lbt | activate is typically used as the 'close' signal though |
| 23:37.04 | lcuk | it doesnt sound like it should be |
| 23:37.09 | lbt | no, it's not 'press enter' - activate() is supposed to be read as 'press OK' |
| 23:37.25 | lbt | hence the 'experts explanation' I mentioned |
| 23:37.36 | lbt | (For experts: if setting is true, the entry calls Gtk::Window::activate_default() on the window containing the entry, in the default handler for the Gtk::Widget::activate signal.) |
| 23:38.01 | lbt | activate_default is usually the 'OK' button in the parent window |
| 23:38.08 | lcuk | yes, but im used to a command button handling things like that - ie a defaulted button will get the event after it has lostfocus on the entry box and gone to the button |
| 23:38.32 | lbt | yes but..... given a dialog with an entry and OK/Cancel |
| 23:38.37 | lcuk | is it a case of you are listening too closely: could you move the "activate" to be handled by the container for instance |
| 23:38.52 | lcuk | rather than the specific entry control |
| 23:38.58 | lbt | then hitting enter in an Entry is *defined* to be allowed to simulate an OK press |
| 23:39.12 | lbt | it is :) |
| 23:39.27 | lbt | activate is passed to the super-parent |
| 23:39.32 | lbt | method |
| 23:39.46 | lbt | which then tidies up the grandchildren |
| 23:40.43 | lbt | I've noted this as a bug for now - I'll come back to it l8r |
| 23:41.31 | lcuk | ok, so we wont press enter ;) |
| 23:41.37 | lbt | indeed! |
| 23:41.48 | lcuk | whats the beef with updating on keypress? |
| 23:41.52 | lbt | I have an N800 - no problem for me!! |
| 23:41.56 | lcuk | and remove all the worry about focus or not |
| 23:42.12 | lbt | oh - focus works!! |
| 23:42.20 | lbt | it's keypress that's borked |
| 23:42.35 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, reload. |
| 23:42.36 | lcuk | yes, but if its updated all the time, theres no real need to do *anything* when the user presses enter |
| 23:42.40 | GeneralAntilles | Added some content and another submenu |
| 23:42.42 | lcuk | just let focusing deal with it entirely |
| 23:43.13 | lcuk | its the user pressing enter and then having its feet taken away from under it |
| 23:43.21 | lbt | well, focusing means there's always a text box visible |
| 23:43.32 | lbt | pressing enter leaves it neat and tidy |
| 23:43.45 | lbt | hey - I'll release the code RSN |
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| 23:43.51 | lcuk | if you seperate the actions it might clean itself up |
| 23:44.07 | lbt | then you can see what I really mean |
| 23:44.08 | lcuk | is a firm believer in "one thing at a time" |
| 23:44.21 | lcuk | yes i do |
| 23:44.28 | lbt | oh, me too - that's why I'm loathe to leave it buggy |
| 23:44.40 | lcuk | try it without updating anything |
| 23:44.45 | lcuk | just comment out the update line |
| 23:45.07 | lbt | did - works fine |
| 23:45.11 | GeneralAntilles | It may or may not be convenient to edit your LinuxTag stuff in svn now that it's in there. |
| 23:45.12 | lcuk | quick 2 minute test would tell you if its the modifying writing expecting data displayed end of it |
| 23:45.14 | lbt | (sorry, the remove() |
| 23:45.24 | lbt | look at the bt though |
| 23:45.29 | lbt | http://pastebin.com/d2a4be627 |
| 23:45.48 | lbt | nothing to do with my data - it crashes before my update :) |
| 23:46.20 | lbt | code: http://pastebin.com/d52867ed8 |
| 23:46.31 | lbt | removing line 1 fixes the problem |
| 23:46.37 | lbt | it crashes in line 1 |
| 23:46.48 | lbt | so removing line 4 doesn't help :) |
| 23:47.18 | lbt | appreciate the thoughts though ..... but it's late |
| 23:47.21 | lbt | I gotta go |
| 23:47.28 | lbt | catch you all over the w'end.... |
| 23:48.13 | lcuk | lbt, gnite, but why are you removing it then uysing it |
| 23:50.26 | lcuk | this http://slexy.org/view/s20uKRcqC3 |
| 23:50.34 | lcuk | shit, wrong window |
| 23:54.22 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, more retardation. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=201973#20 |
| 23:54.32 | GeneralAntilles | I don't have the energy to respond to his stupidity. |
