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| 00:03.56 | GeneralAntilles | I love website layouts that scale perfectly for any font size. |
| 00:04.11 | Mousey | does too |
| 00:04.21 | Mousey | can't seem to quit out of android once launched |
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| 00:10.43 | crashanddie | Mousey, because you can't IIRC |
| 00:10.43 | Mousey | oh. well i haven't tried sshing in and killing it from behind yet ;) |
| 00:11.30 | pupnik | use downward stabbing motion between shoulder blades |
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| 00:11.45 | wolfspirit | is there any benefits of android? or is it mainly just for "too see if I can do it" type of thing? |
| 00:11.45 | Mousey | mmm, backstab |
| 00:12.00 | Mousey | wolfspirit: i donno, i just wanted to see if i could do it. ^_^ |
| 00:12.14 | jott | i would aim right between the 8 and the 10 |
| 00:15.19 | Mousey | maemo is faster |
| 00:15.54 | wolfspirit | has anyone tried running a gba emualtor from a debian install booted on flash? |
| 00:16.28 | Mousey | tries backstabbing android to see what happens =) |
| 00:17.56 | wolfspirit | hmm.. for some reason my debian booted into run level 3 instead of 5 by default |
| 00:18.24 | Mousey | wolfspirit: that's because runlevels are completely arbitrary conventions that have nothing to do with an actual system |
| 00:18.51 | Mousey | 5 is generally used for boot-to-gui mode by distros based on RedHat, and 2 is usually debian's default |
| 00:19.09 | Mousey | but it doesn't really matter. it's a directory with a bunch of symlinks in it |
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| 00:19.56 | wolfspirit | yes but "most" distros used 5 for the gui and I was pretty sure debian was too |
| 00:20.00 | Mousey | no no |
| 00:20.09 | Mousey | "most distros" based on redhat do |
| 00:20.15 | Mousey | but honestly, it doesn't make a difference, IN FACT |
| 00:20.34 | wolfspirit | yeah I guess it doesn't.. but that wasn't my point |
| 00:20.35 | wolfspirit | :) |
| 00:20.50 | Mousey | if you want the GUI to start at boot on debian it's a service in /etc/init.d, if you want it to start at boot on a RedHatLike box, it's called by inittab |
| 00:20.58 | Mousey | so there's ten trillion ways to skin that cat |
| 00:21.02 | wolfspirit | for some reason the debian install didn't boot into the gui and it did the last time I went through this process |
| 00:21.15 | Mousey | then runlevels aren't your answer |
| 00:21.28 | Mousey | try /etc/init.d/gdm start or /etc/init.d/kdm start |
| 00:21.40 | Mousey | if neither of those work, something else is wrong, and it's probably with your X server |
| 00:21.42 | wolfspirit | well last time as in.. I re-did my sd card debian install |
| 00:21.57 | Mousey | debian is debian, so inittab won't be starting your GUI anyway |
| 00:22.05 | Mousey | which means runlevels won't matter |
| 00:22.21 | Mousey | ...unless they packaged debian-for-SD-cards differently for some arbitrary reason |
| 00:22.21 | wolfspirit | can't type anything on my n800 |
| 00:22.28 | Mousey | oh |
| 00:22.36 | Mousey | huggles his n810 ^_^ |
| 00:22.48 | Mousey | something's gone horribly wrong |
| 00:22.51 | wolfspirit | I would get one but it's a lot more expensive than the n800 |
| 00:23.19 | Mousey | i know what u mean, but i personally had to have that hardware keyboard.. have a bluetooth keyb around? or maybe miniusb? |
| 00:23.22 | Mousey | would that even work i wonder? |
| 00:23.26 | Dekaritae | You can get a Samsung Q1 or an Asus R2H for only a bit more than an n810 |
| 00:23.35 | Mousey | god, why tho |
| 00:23.51 | Mousey | the q1 runs Ubuntu Netbook REmix i guess |
| 00:24.00 | Mousey | but the n810 is way more ninja |
| 00:24.01 | Mousey | ^_^ |
| 00:24.08 | wolfspirit | interesting.. I didn't know that |
| 00:24.11 | GeneralAntilles | They're huge |
| 00:24.11 | Dekaritae | x86 Debian means WAY more software support |
| 00:24.15 | GeneralAntilles | with no battery life |
| 00:24.20 | GeneralAntilles | Why would you want that? |
| 00:24.37 | Dekaritae | Because the n8x0 platform lacks essential apps |
| 00:24.37 | wolfspirit | I am still waiting for the ultimate device |
| 00:24.39 | Mousey | browses porn in android |
| 00:25.32 | wolfspirit | the ultimate device would be clam shell with linux, touch screen, qwerty keyboard, usb 2.0, bluetooth, wifi, phone, huge internal storage, and a phone |
| 00:25.53 | wolfspirit | oh I said phone twice... ;) |
| 00:25.57 | Dekaritae | You mean a FlipStart |
| 00:26.08 | Dekaritae | http://blogs.zdnet.com/mobile-gadgeteer/images/flipstart1.jpg |
| 00:26.18 | Mousey | the ultimate device would be if i could just wear this on my face: http://vuzix.com/iwear/products_vr920.html |
| 00:26.23 | wolfspirit | I thought the flip start was vapor hardware.. |
| 00:26.46 | Dekaritae | http://www.google.com/products?q=FlipStart |
| 00:27.58 | GeneralAntilles | Dekaritae, like what? |
| 00:27.58 | GeneralAntilles | "essential" is a very subjective term. |
| 00:28.14 | Mousey | flipstart looks fun, no linux tho? |
| 00:28.29 | Dekaritae | PIM suite, Plucker, XviD decoder |
| 00:28.42 | wolfspirit | too expensive.. I forgot to mention the ultimate device needs to be under 300 :P |
| 00:28.46 | GeneralAntilles | Er, it does XviD and plucker just fine. |
| 00:28.47 | Mousey | haha |
| 00:28.52 | GeneralAntilles | and there are two PIM suites. |
| 00:28.54 | Dekaritae | XviD playback on my 200mhz Zodiac is smoother than on my N800 |
| 00:28.58 | GeneralAntilles | More if you want to run KDE |
| 00:29.09 | GeneralAntilles | Eh, the Zodiac doesn't have to render to 800x480 |
| 00:29.25 | wolfspirit | I wish there were some gaming buttons on the n800.. |
| 00:29.26 | Dekaritae | There is no PIM suite that two-way syncs with Google, and there is no Plucker for Diablo |
| 00:29.41 | GeneralAntilles | FBReader supports Plucker |
| 00:29.48 | GeneralAntilles | and Chinook Plucker will work fine in Diablo. :\ |
| 00:30.14 | Dekaritae | FBreader supports it incompletely. It does not save hyperlink states |
| 00:30.19 | Mousey | wow, that android knows how to not die |
| 00:31.03 | Dekaritae | I use Plucker as an offline website/rss reader, so the document list is refreshed daily |
| 00:31.49 | Dekaritae | With FBReader, I can have all the documents in the library, but there is no way to tell which have been updated |
| 00:31.53 | wolfspirit | I think I might get the pandora when it comes out |
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| 00:33.08 | GeneralAntilles | Hey, sjgadsby. :) |
| 00:33.11 | GeneralAntilles | http://adv-backlight.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 00:33.36 | sjgadsby | Hi, GeneralAntilles |
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| 00:35.08 | NeoStrider_ | hey folks |
| 00:35.17 | Dekaritae | http://www.tabletpcreview.com/assets/2708.jpg |
| 00:35.34 | wolfspirit | hmm.. debian booted with xfce now.. must have been a corruption of some kind |
| 00:36.10 | NeoStrider_ | wow |
| 00:36.16 | NeoStrider_ | wtf is that, Dekaritae |
| 00:36.25 | Dekaritae | Samsung Q1B |
| 00:36.43 | wolfspirit | that's huge |
| 00:36.52 | wolfspirit | I would need something that fits in my pocket too |
| 00:37.09 | NeoStrider_ | Im sure everybody wants it =-P |
| 00:37.24 | NeoStrider_ | wolfspirit: in that case, I would make myself a pocket that big |
| 00:37.40 | Dekaritae | I have an MEC bag that would fit it perfectly |
| 00:38.02 | wolfspirit | n800 is close to perfect for me (would be cool if it was a phone too) if the n800 had hardware gaming controls and more emulators like the gp2x then I would be set.. which is why I think I will be getting the pandora |
| 00:39.01 | GeneralAntilles | NeoStrider_, how's 2-hour battery life sound? ;) |
| 00:39.31 | NeoStrider_ | GeneralAntilles: the same sound of my EeePC =P |
| 00:41.35 | wolfspirit | I had an eeepc.. the screen gave me a headache.. the n800's screen is more crisp and seems to be easier on my eyes |
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| 00:42.45 | NeoStrider_ | wolfspirit: funny... I have a 770 here |
| 00:42.52 | NeoStrider_ | both screens look good |
| 00:43.07 | NeoStrider_ | each with its qualities |
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| 00:43.30 | NeoStrider_ | eeepc looks brighter and clearer, while 770 is more sharp |
| 00:44.09 | wolfspirit | not sure.. maybe it was the refresh rate.. but it was hard to look at for more than 5 minutes |
| 00:44.12 | GeneralAntilles | The N800's screen is way better than the 770. |
| 00:44.24 | Knowledge | Guys, I have a question....I've been totally out of the loop when it comes to my 770, I just recently charged it up and fell back in love, I'm currently running 4.2007.26-8...is that a good version? |
| 00:44.51 | GeneralAntilles | Knowledge, old, but fine. |
| 00:45.02 | wolfspirit | os2008 is better in my opinion.. diablo just came out too which is supposed to get rid of flash updates |
| 00:45.06 | GeneralAntilles | Might want to try out a more recent revision of OS2007HE, or maybe OS2008HE |
| 00:45.13 | Knowledge | I was trying to look on the HE site for 07...but that version wasn't even on there |
| 00:45.17 | GeneralAntilles | Diablo isn't (yet) available for the 770. |
| 00:45.26 | NeoStrider_ | whats wrong with using Gregalle? |
| 00:45.31 | NeoStrider_ | I love its asthetic |
| 00:45.40 | GeneralAntilles | aesthetic? |
| 00:45.41 | wolfspirit | ah.. I wasn't aware the 770 was that much different than the 800/810 |
| 00:45.41 | Knowledge | Cool, and is it possible to dual boot....mmc/internal? 07 and 08? |
| 00:45.45 | GeneralAntilles | :shudder: |
| 00:45.45 | NeoStrider_ | sorry |
| 00:45.49 | NeoStrider_ | false cognate |
| 00:45.53 | GeneralAntilles | Knowledge, yes. |
| 00:45.55 | NeoStrider_ | its beautiful |
| 00:46.02 | GeneralAntilles | OS2006 is absolutely horrifying. |
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| 00:46.11 | GeneralAntilles | Fruitiest themes ever. |
| 00:46.11 | NeoStrider_ | GeneralAntilles: why? |
| 00:46.17 | NeoStrider_ | c'mon! |
| 00:46.22 | GeneralAntilles | Awful |
| 00:46.32 | GeneralAntilles | OS2008 is the only one that ships with a decent default theme. |
| 00:46.32 | NeoStrider_ | the orange theme never got out of my device |
| 00:46.50 | NeoStrider_ | I dont like those new themes from the other ITOSs |
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| 00:47.09 | NeoStrider_ | (and personally, I think the 770 is the nicer design in the family) |
| 00:47.12 | Knowledge | it's the funniest thing man, I fell into the hype of PDA phones, etc...and left my 770 behind, I just picked it up about 3 days ago and realized why I liked that damn thing so much |
| 00:47.30 | GeneralAntilles | Er, no themes were ever backported to OS2006 |
| 00:47.31 | NeoStrider_ | Knowledge: I feel the same |
| 00:48.02 | NeoStrider_ | Knowledge: and the amazing fact - I have a linux phone, so its not the linux factor |
| 00:48.02 | Knowledge | Now, to start porting/making a ham contest logger for it...and I'm set for mobile use |
| 00:48.17 | Knowledge | oh I understand, it's just something about it... |
| 00:48.40 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/n800.html <- That's just a good looking theme. |
| 00:48.40 | NeoStrider_ | it has a great sense of complete system |
| 00:48.41 | Knowledge | I had the n800 and absolutely hated it. I sold it to get my 770 back |
| 00:48.46 | NeoStrider_ | its not a full computer |
| 00:48.50 | NeoStrider_ | but its still compelte |
| 00:48.52 | NeoStrider_ | complete |
| 00:48.57 | GeneralAntilles | Ugh |
| 00:49.01 | GeneralAntilles | How can you go back to the 770? |
| 00:49.05 | NeoStrider_ | I guess it only misses the clutter from full computers |
| 00:49.05 | GeneralAntilles | It's so slow. <_< |
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| 00:49.16 | Knowledge | Well, it depends...what do you do with it/ |
| 00:49.28 | GeneralAntilles | Everything |
| 00:49.44 | GeneralAntilles | Watch TV, watch movies, read books, xterm, ssh, irc, web browsing, games, etc, etc |
| 00:49.57 | NeoStrider_ | the only issues I had with the 770 was to use pidgin+internal messenger+terminal+opera+music player+file manager |
| 00:50.04 | NeoStrider_ | the device could barely handle it |
| 00:50.09 | Knowledge | Me too...well, except the watch TV thing |
| 00:50.12 | NeoStrider_ | and for the first time I saw a "out of memory" message |
| 00:50.32 | Knowledge | I don't have an issue with it... |
| 00:50.34 | NeoStrider_ | I cant read ebooks |
| 00:50.38 | NeoStrider_ | I simply hate it |
| 00:51.35 | Knowledge | I guess I just accepted the fact that it's not a 2.0 ghz processor in it....it does what it says it's supposed to and a lot more....so I'm content...now the n810? that's a different story...I want me one of those |
| 00:52.04 | GeneralAntilles | I've read dozens and dozens of ebooks on my tablets. |
| 00:52.07 | GeneralAntilles | Absolutely love it. |
| 00:52.10 | NeoStrider_ | Knowledge: the N810 is more like the EeePC than the 770, right? |
| 00:52.17 | NeoStrider_ | its a diferent usage |
| 00:52.20 | Knowledge | I would agree |
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| 00:52.26 | GeneralAntilles | Er, how so? |
| 00:52.32 | GeneralAntilles | It's smaller than the 770 |
| 00:52.40 | NeoStrider_ | I took a trip to Toronto and got the 770 with me |
| 00:52.40 | GeneralAntilles | So I'm not sure how it's more Eee PC like. . . . |
| 00:52.40 | Knowledge | The n810?!? |
| 00:52.52 | GeneralAntilles | The N810 is significantly smaller than the 770 and N800 |
| 00:52.57 | NeoStrider_ | in there, I also bought the EeePC, and still used both |
| 00:53.02 | Knowledge | No shit?....wow... |
| 00:53.13 | Knowledge | I didn't know that, I've yet to see an 810 in person |
| 00:53.18 | NeoStrider_ | GeneralAntilles: I mean, its use cases |
| 00:53.28 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.latheofdreams.com/N810/Nseries-threetablets.jpg |
| 00:53.29 | Knowledge | damn it, now I really want one |
| 00:53.29 | Medic119 | I am thinking about an EEEPC or one of the new DELL MIDs for my wife |
| 00:53.38 | GeneralAntilles | How is its use-case any different from the 770's? |
| 00:53.46 | Knowledge | oh yeah, no dpad |
| 00:53.50 | Knowledge | on the front |
| 00:53.58 | NeoStrider_ | the full keyboard adds a whole new uses cases |
| 00:54.09 | NeoStrider_ | try typing a paragraph in the 770 touchscreen |
| 00:54.18 | Medic119 | I wish the DPad had been left, or at the very least some kind of ALT-key value for the Home/Esacpe keys |
| 00:54.31 | Knowledge | GeneralAntilles: use-case....it's not different...but yeah, the keyboard is really a big plus |
| 00:54.34 | GeneralAntilles | http://lh3.ggpht.com/_fV1V8sW1L9s/R5XJyIWBhoI/AAAAAAAAAew/STItRt4m0Gs/IMG_1646.JPG |
| 00:54.34 | Proteous | I wouldn't say it's significantly smaller |
| 00:54.47 | GeneralAntilles | Well, Proteous, on a mobile-device scale. ;) |
| 00:54.53 | Knowledge | good Lord, that thing is smaller... |
| 00:54.55 | Knowledge | I want |
| 00:54.56 | Proteous | heh |
| 00:55.14 | Proteous | I do <3 my n810 |
| 00:55.17 | Medic119 | I wish they had made a case like the n770 too. I hate soft cases |
| 00:55.44 | NeoStrider_ | I got to go |
| 00:55.46 | NeoStrider_ | dinner time |
| 00:55.47 | GeneralAntilles | Eh, I'd rather have the kickstand. |
| 00:56.05 | Knowledge | I don't know man, something about the n800 pissed me off...I guess I was so used to the sleek look of the 770, when they went to the whole shiny "look at me I'm an n800" look....blah |
| 00:56.16 | GeneralAntilles | I love my N800 |
| 00:56.22 | GeneralAntilles | Greatest thing I've ever owned. |
| 00:56.28 | Medic119 | Nokia could have made some kind of Side flip top similiar to on the 770 though. Something a little more pocket-durable |
| 00:56.33 | NeoStrider_ | I dont like its look |
| 00:56.37 | NeoStrider_ | n810 looks better |
| 00:56.50 | Medic119 | I would consider trading my n810 for an n800 except for the lack of a transflective screen |
| 00:56.53 | Knowledge | by a long shot...but of course, these are only personal opinions. |
| 00:57.04 | Knowledge | Medic119: really? why? |
| 00:57.10 | Knowledge | (just curious) |
| 00:57.11 | GeneralAntilles | I hope they give us dual card slots back for the N900. |
| 00:57.27 | Knowledge | oh yeah, speaking of which, what IS next? |
| 00:57.39 | Medic119 | I don't really NEED a keyboard for my daily use. I rarely open it up. Just use the HWR. The Dpad on front and such would be more to my usability |
| 00:57.48 | Knowledge | is it officially dubbed the N900? |
| 00:58.02 | Medic119 | Not to mention REal SD slots, and I hate having a "Built-in" slot replacing one of my card slots |
| 00:58.12 | Knowledge | Medic119: I agree with the dpad thing... |
| 00:58.23 | Knowledge | SD slots.....yeah, I'll side with you on that too |
| 00:58.46 | Medic119 | even 2 MicroSD/Transflash slots would have been better than one slot and a built in card |
| 00:59.00 | Knowledge | I'm still wondering where the hell I got my 4.2007.26-8...I can't find it anywhere. |
| 00:59.02 | Medic119 | BTW, Has anyone cared to see if the internal card is replacable or hard soldered? |
| 00:59.15 | Proteous | I heard that it's soldered on |
| 00:59.19 | GeneralAntilles | Knowledge, it's not official anything. Nokia doesn't announce future hardware plans. ;) |
| 00:59.31 | Knowledge | yeah, i forgot... |
| 00:59.32 | GeneralAntilles | Medic119, sure, if you can do the work and find the right part. |
| 00:59.34 | Medic119 | I *heard* that too, but has anyone actually looked, posted pics, etc? |
| 00:59.40 | Knowledge | so no time line or anything... |
| 00:59.42 | GeneralAntilles | Knowledge, read up on the OMAP3430, though. |
| 00:59.46 | Dekaritae | GeneralAntilles: The last Plucker version is not installable on Diablo |
| 00:59.52 | crashanddie | anyone else get "network error" in maps when refreshing the maps list ? |
| 00:59.55 | GeneralAntilles | Knowledge, I'm guessing Q4 2008 or Q1 2009. |
| 01:00.02 | GeneralAntilles | Dekaritae, pastebin? |
| 01:00.19 | Knowledge | Aha, ok. waiting for next Nxxx it is |
| 01:00.19 | Dekaritae | http://oss.kernelconcepts.de/maemo/app-install.shtml |
| 01:00.21 | Proteous | I haven't looked personaly. but if I was Nokia, and cramped for space in a tiny device I wouldn't put a slot in there when i could just solder something to the board |
| 01:00.37 | Dekaritae | There is no incompatibility, it just says "Status" not installable" |
| 01:00.44 | Medic119 | BTW, has anyone noticed any performance hits with the Diablo rotate stuff? I noticed some kind of hit in Chinook, but never tracked it down. |
| 01:00.52 | Dekaritae | "Application is incompatible with current software" |
| 01:01.04 | Knowledge | GeneralAntilles: how'd you come up with that? Just seems like the next reasonable thing? |
| 01:01.15 | Dekaritae | Same error for libsqlite0 |
| 01:01.29 | Knowledge | wow, how much more shit could they cram onto a chip |
| 01:01.34 | GeneralAntilles | Knowledge, yeah, it's the next logical step. |
| 01:01.37 | GeneralAntilles | Pretty much can't be anything else. |
| 01:01.39 | Knowledge | I see. |
| 01:01.43 | GeneralAntilles | Knowledge, not much. ;) |
| 01:02.18 | Knowledge | I might get the N810 (non wimax) just to have the line - the 800 |
| 01:02.22 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24TXpqa9jG0 |
| 01:02.25 | GeneralAntilles | OpenGL on OMAP3 |
| 01:02.37 | Dekaritae | GeneralAntilles: It is likely that Plucker has only been built for OS2007 |
| 01:02.55 | GeneralAntilles | Try it with dpkg -i ./<plucker deb> Dekaritae? |
| 01:02.56 | Medic119 | Wow! Get Compiz on the n900....lol |
| 01:03.01 | Knowledge | Funny, someone will complain about frame rate |
| 01:03.16 | GeneralAntilles | Compiz would need some poking to run on an OMAP |
| 01:03.18 | Medic119 | Dekarite: Doesn't FBReader support Plucker files? |
| 01:03.40 | GeneralAntilles | but there was a little . . . whispering about accelerated interfaces at LinuxTag. |
| 01:03.40 | Dekaritae | Yes but it does not mark read hyperlinks as read which makes it useless |
| 01:03.53 | Medic119 | It would just be neat to have the window effects on a NIT. Talk about getting all my WindowsMobile friends jaws to drop. openSUSE still does that now. |
| 01:03.55 | Dekaritae | And it does not mark read documents as read |
| 01:04.09 | GeneralAntilles | The OMAP3 can also pretty much decode 720p. |
| 01:04.20 | Knowledge | Alright, so...07HE or 08HE?....or does no one own the 770 here? |
| 01:04.26 | GeneralAntilles | Knowledge, I have two. ;) |
| 01:04.28 | Medic119 | I am watching liqbase closely as it may outshine FBReader if the right support is added as it develops. |
| 01:04.32 | GeneralAntilles | OS2008HE on both. |
| 01:04.35 | Knowledge | oh wow haha |
| 01:04.42 | Medic119 | Dekarite: What about plucker via GarnetVM? |
| 01:04.48 | Knowledge | and 08HE is what came on the 810? |
| 01:05.14 | crashanddie | anyone else get "network error" in maps (wayfinder) when refreshing the maps list ? |
| 01:05.31 | Dekaritae | Medic119: No access to media cards, no support for FontSmoother |
| 01:05.52 | Dekaritae | Medic119: I will end up purchasing an x86 tablet to replace N800 |
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| 01:06.49 | Dekaritae | The Q1B has battery life comparable to a Nokia or Palm device |
| 01:06.59 | GeneralAntilles | OS2008 is what came on the N810 |
| 01:07.06 | GeneralAntilles | OS2008HE is the backport to the 770. |
| 01:07.08 | Medic119 | Whats the price point though? |
| 01:07.19 | Knowledge | GeneralAntilles: gotcha... |
| 01:07.39 | Knowledge | I wonder how hard it would be to port amateur radio software to the 770.... |
| 01:07.54 | GeneralAntilles | There's a doc on maemo.org |
| 01:08.06 | GeneralAntilles | Some GTK stuff with recompile straight away |
| 01:08.17 | Medic119 | The HAM Radio stuff isn't too high tech if I remember right. It was mostly all in the calbles, but that was years ago |
| 01:08.44 | Dekaritae | I have seen Samsung Q1 tablets on eBay for ~ $550 |
| 01:09.06 | Knowledge | Well, yeah I'm not even shooting for control of the radio...shit...that would be amazing...but rather general logging software...should be easy |
| 01:09.15 | Proteous | not really as pocketable as a NIT |
| 01:09.19 | Medic119 | not bad, but its *used*..lol Doesn't it sort of lack power though as a full tablet? |
| 01:09.21 | crashanddie | Could anyone please just start up Maps, and tell me if they can refresh the map list , |
| 01:09.23 | crashanddie | ? |
| 01:09.30 | GeneralAntilles | No. |
| 01:09.31 | GeneralAntilles | Never. |
| 01:09.39 | GeneralAntilles | Actually, no. |
| 01:09.44 | Knowledge | What the? |
| 01:09.46 | GeneralAntilles | I'm going to start it up and try and refresh it. |
| 01:09.51 | GeneralAntilles | But I'm not going to tell you how it turns out. :P |
| 01:09.55 | Proteous | lol |
| 01:09.56 | Knowledge | general, did you just have a conversation with yourself? |
| 01:10.00 | ralann | looks for n810 ... hah |
| 01:10.02 | crashanddie | no, with me |
| 01:10.03 | Dekaritae | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260259781412 |
| 01:10.17 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, I'll give you another nice ascii art finger if you do :) |
| 01:10.26 | Knowledge | haha |
| 01:10.30 | Knowledge | ascii art |
| 01:10.36 | Knowledge | classic |
| 01:10.44 | Proteous | \o/ |
| 01:10.46 | Medic119 | Dekarite: Yeah, I looked at those. Kinda underpoered though. Light on RAM too |
| 01:10.47 | Knowledge | oh look at the time |
| 01:10.49 | Proteous | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:10.50 | Knowledge | 810 |
| 01:10.50 | Proteous | \o\ |
| 01:10.55 | Proteous | |o| |
| 01:10.59 | Proteous | \o/ |
| 01:11.10 | Knowledge | I feel like I'm back on AOL 3.0 |
| 01:11.18 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, appears to refresh fine. |
| 01:11.27 | Proteous | WHAT WOULD MAEK U FEEL LIKE THAAAT??!! |
| 01:11.53 | Proteous | CAPSLOCK IS CRUSE CONTROL FOR AWESOME |
| 01:12.16 | Proteous | *cough* |
| 01:12.20 | Medic119 | Hey, anyone notice any perfromance hit with the Diablo Rotate stuff? |
| 01:12.26 | crashanddie | damnit |
| 01:12.29 | GeneralAntilles | Proteous, you have a lot of those. You should probably get that checked on. :P |
| 01:12.29 | crashanddie | doesn't wanna work here |
| 01:12.31 | Proteous | I heard you say that earlier |
| 01:12.37 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, you have a-gps installed or not ? |
| 01:12.43 | GeneralAntilles | I don't have an N810. ;) |
| 01:12.47 | Proteous | IT'S A TRAP!! |
| 01:12.49 | GeneralAntilles | But, uh, yeah. . . . :D |
| 01:13.12 | Proteous | lies, you posted a picture with one in it |
| 01:13.14 | crashanddie | anyone got an n810 ? |
| 01:13.21 | Medic119 | crashanddie: a new build of a-gps was out today |
| 01:13.22 | Proteous | I do |
| 01:13.30 | crashanddie | Medic119, I know, I have the update |
| 01:13.37 | Medic119 | Haven't played with it yet to see if it improved anything though |
| 01:13.50 | Proteous | but I don't currently have a data cable with which to flash my device |
| 01:13.52 | Proteous | cries |
| 01:13.54 | crashanddie | Proteous, could you please check if you can refresh the downloadable map list ? |
| 01:14.12 | Proteous | gesh, whine whine whine, those maps suck anyway |
| 01:14.13 | Proteous | :P |
| 01:14.13 | Proteous | sure |
| 01:14.16 | Proteous | one sec |
| 01:14.34 | Medic119 | I have been playing with that Roadmap app. Not bad.. |
| 01:15.19 | Proteous | seems to be refreshing fine for mee |
| 01:15.25 | crashanddie | djeezus |
| 01:15.37 | ralann | refreshed fine for me |
| 01:15.44 | Proteous | I have read that the maps can get fuxored easy, and that the solution is to delete the maps directory |
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| 01:16.09 | Proteous | although if you have already dled some maps it can be a pain to redownload that much data |
| 01:16.15 | crashanddie | heh |
| 01:16.23 | crashanddie | I don't mind the downloads |
| 01:16.30 | crashanddie | fast interwebs ftw |
| 01:16.33 | crashanddie | but still |
| 01:16.35 | Medic119 | later folks.. |
| 01:16.35 | crashanddie | it's a pita |
| 01:16.46 | crashanddie | and I don't want to delete my current maps if I can't get it back |
| 01:16.47 | Knowledge | wait, is there a better place to find out how to dual boot a 770 instead of iTt? |
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| 01:16.55 | NeoStrider_ | im back |
| 01:16.59 | Knowledge | wb |
| 01:17.01 | NeoStrider_ | and you guys to try my game |
| 01:17.12 | Proteous | complete sentences please |
| 01:17.29 | Knowledge | I was just thinking that....I was going to say "where's the rest of that sentence" |
| 01:17.33 | Proteous | heh |
| 01:17.37 | NeoStrider_ | how about it? |
| 01:17.44 | Proteous | what was the question again? |
| 01:17.48 | Knowledge | haha |
| 01:17.49 | crashanddie | brazilian dude, please be patient |
| 01:18.00 | Knowledge | me? |
| 01:18.01 | GeneralAntilles | Knowledge, this is largely applicable. https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card |
| 01:18.12 | crashanddie | Knowledge, no, neo |
| 01:18.14 | GeneralAntilles | The kernel module locations are a bit different. |
| 01:18.16 | Knowledge | oh... |
| 01:18.25 | Knowledge | I knew there was a site with TONS of info... |
| 01:18.27 | Proteous | as is this: https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_strip_club |
| 01:18.28 | Knowledge | thanks General |
| 01:18.45 | crashanddie | Proteous, typo, it's "Getting_booty_from_a_strip_club" |
| 01:18.45 | GeneralAntilles | Knowledge, there's an old maemowiki, too. |
| 01:18.52 | Proteous | mostly only applicable if you are training to be a bouncer |
| 01:18.54 | GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ |
| 01:18.58 | GeneralAntilles | Which may have some information. |
| 01:19.07 | GeneralAntilles | Knowledge, http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_easily_boot_from_mmc_card/ |
| 01:19.29 | Knowledge | thanks a lot |
| 01:19.43 | Proteous | https://wiki.maemo.org/howto_easily_bootleg_from_the_back_of_your_van |
| 01:19.53 | NeoStrider_ | crashanddie: why? how? what? |
| 01:20.07 | crashanddie | NeoStrider_, where ? who ? when ? |
| 01:20.10 | NeoStrider_ | (thats what www stands for, btw =-P) |
| 01:20.21 | NeoStrider_ | <crashanddie> brazilian dude, please be patient |
| 01:20.22 | crashanddie | erhm... |
| 01:20.29 | crashanddie | "how" starts with a w ? |
| 01:20.52 | NeoStrider_ | oops...I got a how in the middle of it...my hands and my head think diferently =-P |
| 01:20.57 | Proteous | stripclub booty is not the kind you want, but if you do get some you will need: https://wiki.maemo.org/Howto_easily_get_rid_of_genital_warts |
| 01:21.04 | crashanddie | NeoStrider_, dual core, nice |
| 01:21.05 | Knowledge | crashanddie: it's silent... |
| 01:21.08 | Knowledge | the w |
| 01:21.25 | NeoStrider_ | ok, crashanddie, you gonna try it? |
| 01:21.39 | crashanddie | Knowledge, woh, wsorry... wI'wm wnot wused wto wsilent ww's |
| 01:21.53 | crashanddie | NeoStrider_, try what ? |
| 01:21.54 | Knowledge | hahaha |
| 01:21.58 | Knowledge | that's awesome |
| 01:22.02 | NeoStrider_ | my game |
| 01:22.23 | NeoStrider_ | http://sourceforge.net/projects/bzk |
| 01:22.30 | Proteous | is it the "What's in my pants" game, because I've played that one, and it's not as fun as it sounds |
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| 01:22.44 | crashanddie | I prefer "Who's in my mouth?" |
| 01:22.50 | Proteous | heh |
| 01:23.04 | NeoStrider_ | tested on 770 ;-) |
| 01:23.16 | NeoStrider_ | I want to know if it works well on N8x0 |
| 01:23.59 | lcuk | NeoStrider_, speak to me when im not tired, remind me about your game please. |
| 01:24.12 | Proteous | the description text should read: "tools to help create games" not "tools to help creating games" |
| 01:24.24 | lcuk | thats 3d simple graphics isnt it |
| 01:24.44 | NeoStrider_ | yup, lcuk |
| 01:25.06 | NeoStrider_ | so I dont lose my soul making super-duper-graphics and forget about the fun |
| 01:25.08 | lcuk | how smooth are the graphics, do you have a youtube |
| 01:25.12 | lcuk | im not on device at the mo |
| 01:25.18 | NeoStrider_ | well |
| 01:25.26 | NeoStrider_ | not all that smooth on the 770 |
| 01:25.28 | NeoStrider_ | playable |
| 01:25.39 | lcuk | have you got an 8x0 |
| 01:26.04 | NeoStrider_ | not really |
| 01:26.27 | lcuk | not really, you need one - they are faster |
| 01:26.28 | NeoStrider_ | the thing is: I know the processor is faster, but the video bus is slower |
| 01:26.30 | lcuk | right, have you seen liqbase? |
| 01:26.54 | lcuk | if not, you might be in for a surprise - with the kind of graphics you are doing it might be VERY compatible |
| 01:26.55 | lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUPp_mE7rwI |
| 01:27.28 | lcuk | 25fps 800*480 on n8x0 minimal if none tearing |
| 01:27.41 | lcuk | display resolution choise arbitary and scales to fullscreen |
| 01:27.46 | lcuk | choice ^ |
| 01:28.19 | NeoStrider_ | *envy* |
| 01:28.25 | lcuk | its open source :) |
| 01:28.51 | lcuk | come back on tomorrow night, i would like to talk to you :) |
| 01:29.00 | NeoStrider_ | sure |
| 01:29.14 | NeoStrider_ | mine is open source too, but I dare anyone can understand my code |
| 01:29.15 | lcuk | we need decent games built with this device in mind |
| 01:29.22 | lcuk | simple fast effective and playable |
| 01:29.34 | lcuk | likewise - a meeting of minds would be the best approach |
| 01:29.42 | lcuk | see where things are compatible |
| 01:29.54 | NeoStrider_ | a movie about my game: |
| 01:29.55 | NeoStrider_ | http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=2ulAlQFD9S0 |
| 01:29.57 | lcuk | find out how best to approach it |
| 01:30.01 | NeoStrider_ | it got a little better than that |
| 01:30.22 | lcuk | this is not on the device is it |
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| 01:30.42 | NeoStrider_ | not really |
| 01:30.53 | NeoStrider_ | but the recording application made it as slow as the device |
| 01:31.06 | lcuk | heh :) well lets see what we can do if anything |
| 01:31.13 | lcuk | i notice you say its a bit of a game dev kit |
| 01:31.23 | lcuk | hang on, im gonna put it on my device |
| 01:31.25 | NeoStrider_ | yes |
| 01:31.29 | NeoStrider_ | I made it very modular |
| 01:31.47 | NeoStrider_ | I've indeed used some parts of it on my college assignments hehe |
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| 01:31.55 | lcuk | cool, when my 810 signs in can you spam the link again please |
| 01:32.15 | NeoStrider_ | sure |
| 01:32.20 | NeoStrider_ | here is another video: http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=AzH2wW7bzB8 |
| 01:32.41 | NeoStrider_ | this time, with a crapy spoken english, a EeePC and my laptop |
| 01:32.46 | lcuk | how fast are graphics on eee? |
| 01:32.51 | lcuk | do they need a boost as well? |
| 01:33.05 | NeoStrider_ | humm...on the EeePC, it is "adequate" |
| 01:33.15 | NeoStrider_ | specially when compared with penguin racer |
| 01:33.17 | lcuk | i wonder... |
| 01:33.27 | NeoStrider_ | some games do lag, some games segfault |
| 01:33.32 | NeoStrider_ | I dont know why |
| 01:33.34 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, I committed some stuff to a working directory if you want to watch. |
| 01:33.38 | lcuk | crashanddie, you watchin |
| 01:33.39 | Dekaritae | GeneralAntilles: I has solution. |
| 01:33.58 | lcuk | cool gen, yer |
| 01:34.02 | lcuk | should be sleeping |
| 01:34.10 | crashanddie | lcdd, ey ? |
| 01:34.26 | Dekaritae | I use dapper.net to generate full-content RSS feeds for web sites and use the built-in RSS reader |
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| 01:36.12 | lcuk | NeoStrider_, wheres the link to the .deb |
| 01:36.24 | wolfspirit | lcuk.. cool app.. can we get that anywhere right now? |
| 01:36.39 | NeoStrider_ | click on "download bzk toolset" |
| 01:36.58 | lcuk | yer, but theres no .deb at the moment |
| 01:37.30 | lcuk | NeoStrider_, my 810 is in the room, can i have a link to the site.. |
| 01:37.41 | NeoStrider_ | humm |
| 01:37.41 | lcuk2 | hello o/ |
| 01:38.09 | NeoStrider_ | let me check |
| 01:38.20 | NeoStrider_ | I know I have it on my geocities |
| 01:38.33 | NeoStrider_ | I also have it on Nokia Mosh |
| 01:39.06 | lcuk | didnt you come in asking people to download it up there ^ |
| 01:39.24 | lcuk | <NeoStrider_> http://sourceforge.net/projects/bzk |
| 01:39.28 | NeoStrider_ | http://downloads.sourceforge.net/bzk/angstron_0.99_N770_RC2.deb?modtime=1211497631&big_mirror=0 |
| 01:39.36 | NeoStrider_ | yes, but you didnt seem to like it |
| 01:39.38 | lcuk | ta |
| 01:39.43 | NeoStrider_ | "ta"? |
| 01:39.52 | lcuk | thank you |
| 01:40.05 | NeoStrider_ | ta is a common Brazillian expression =-P |
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| 01:40.27 | lcuk | oh no, libdbus-1.2 required and missing |
| 01:40.34 | NeoStrider_ | hummm |
| 01:40.37 | NeoStrider_ | damn it |
| 01:40.43 | lcuk | libxau0 |
| 01:40.50 | NeoStrider_ | n810 must be using some diferent stuff |
| 01:40.50 | lcuk | :D heh |
| 01:41.12 | lcuk | ok, dont worry, ive got the link, ill have a play tomorrow and see if i can make head or tail of it |
| 01:41.14 | NeoStrider_ | Im always delaying a "pure" version, only requiring SDL |
| 01:41.27 | NeoStrider_ | (for my EZX and PocketPC port) |
| 01:41.35 | lcuk | im very interested in seeing whether liqbase code would work well for 8x0 |
| 01:41.55 | NeoStrider_ | dont forget to check out my code @ SVN |
| 01:41.58 | lcuk | as in a full game |
| 01:42.01 | lcuk | yer, i will do :) |
| 01:42.05 | NeoStrider_ | its messy, but works |
| 01:42.26 | NeoStrider_ | its funny but (engine)->(game) is a huge step |
| 01:42.41 | NeoStrider_ | we (game engine designers) tend to understimate it |
| 01:43.02 | NeoStrider_ | and Im still designing some FSM to use on it |
| 01:43.29 | crashanddie | please |
| 01:43.30 | crashanddie | please |
| 01:43.33 | lcuk | no, i understand your problem totally - im aiming for an ide - i am a code engine designer i suppose |
| 01:43.38 | crashanddie | don't use ()->() no more |
| 01:43.44 | crashanddie | lardman gave us enough |
| 01:43.56 | NeoStrider_ | hahahah, ok |
| 01:44.31 | NeoStrider_ | lcuk, indeed , Im still thinking of ways to make code compile to my FSM |
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| 01:44.42 | NeoStrider_ | maybe you know anything about it |
| 01:45.16 | NeoStrider_ | (lcuk, cool accent, btw) |
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| 01:46.13 | crashanddie | "lainuux teeeg" |
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| 01:49.10 | lcuk | my god everyone has mentioned that |
| 01:49.18 | lcuk | facepalms and removes it from the internet |
| 01:49.25 | GeneralAntilles | U HAVE A WEERD ACENT!!! |
| 01:49.38 | lcuk | it was veeery late |
| 01:50.45 | GeneralAntilles | s/A /UH / |
| 01:52.21 | NeoStrider_ | c'mon folks |
| 01:52.27 | NeoStrider_ | his acent is cool |
| 01:52.30 | NeoStrider_ | way cool |
| 01:52.49 | NeoStrider_ | i close my eyes and hear Darth Vader |
| 01:53.01 | lcuk | v.. |
| 01:53.23 | lcuk | omg |
| 01:54.43 | lcuk | stops speaking out of his nose |
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| 01:55.22 | GeneralAntilles | Ha, don't lie. |
| 01:55.25 | GeneralAntilles | You CAN'T! :P |
| 01:55.43 | NeoStrider_ | we already got General Antilles and Darth Vader...what else now? |
| 01:55.57 | GeneralAntilles | I can probably get a wookie in here if you give me a little time. |
| 01:56.15 | NeoStrider_ | or if you give me a little beer and some time without shaving |
| 01:56.42 | NeoStrider_ | s/little/some |
| 01:56.46 | NeoStrider_ | (damn portuguese language) |
| 01:57.05 | GeneralAntilles | Meh, little works well enough. |
| 01:57.24 | GeneralAntilles | I wouldn't bat an eye at a native speaker using little there. ;) |
| 01:58.00 | NeoStrider_ | but my english should be "great" |
| 01:58.05 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 01:58.06 | NeoStrider_ | I just came from a course in toronto |
| 01:58.12 | NeoStrider_ | got a 9! |
| 01:59.46 | NeoStrider_ | I dont know...my english just degraded since then |
| 02:00.17 | GeneralAntilles | Join the club |
| 02:00.26 | GeneralAntilles | My English degrades all the time, and I speak it natively! :D |
| 02:01.47 | NeoStrider_ | yeah, but I dont watch native speaking television =-P |
| 02:04.43 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 02:04.54 | NeoStrider_ | lcuk: I need this jot app in my EZX phone... |
| 02:06.44 | lcuk | NeoStrider_, :) |
| 02:07.01 | lcuk | theres a lot more of it to come |
| 02:07.12 | lcuk | bute for now i must sleep |
| 02:07.17 | lcuk | o/ |
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| 02:07.18 | crashanddie | Update: Map (wayfinder) doesn't even reach for the network |
| 02:07.22 | crashanddie | lcuk, gtfo |
| 02:07.28 | NeoStrider_ | go on , my friend |
| 02:08.24 | lcuk2 | gnite little internet |
| 02:09.19 | NeoStrider_ | gnight |
| 02:11.01 | Knowledge | are there no more repository lists? specifically for 08HE? |
| 02:11.41 | crashanddie | who here has an n810 and lives in the UK ? |
| 02:11.51 | Knowledge | wow...2008 is sluggish on a 770 |
| 02:11.54 | Knowledge | imp |
| 02:11.56 | Knowledge | imo too |
| 02:12.03 | GeneralAntilles | Turn on swap |
| 02:12.10 | GeneralAntilles | and up the swapiness. |
| 02:12.10 | Knowledge | duhh.... |
| 02:12.11 | Knowledge | wow |
| 02:12.22 | Knowledge | I've really been out of the loop...I forgot half this shit |
| 02:12.24 | GeneralAntilles | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/seatbelt/ |
| 02:12.26 | Knowledge | thanks again General |
| 02:13.39 | Knowledge | 64 mb is the highest for swap? |
| 02:13.50 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 02:13.56 | Knowledge | hmm fair enough |
| 02:13.58 | GeneralAntilles | Unless you do more from the console |
| 02:13.59 | GeneralAntilles | But, meh. |
| 02:14.19 | Knowledge | yeah really...I'm going to boot from mmc anyhow...so, i'm sure I could change that then |
| 02:16.59 | Knowledge | So about the app manager...adding repos to it?...anyone know of a list? |
| 02:17.14 | GeneralAntilles | gronmayer.com/it |
| 02:17.23 | GeneralAntilles | Extras should mostly cover what you need, though. |
| 02:17.30 | GeneralAntilles | Especially with OS2008HE |
| 02:21.53 | Knowledge | woahhh....nice |
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| 02:35.29 | boolean | evening |
| 02:37.05 | boolean | so what is people's general opinion of Diablo ? |
| 02:37.25 | GeneralAntilles | Awesome. |
| 02:38.20 | boolean | any issues with chinook apps ? |
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| 02:38.39 | boolean | just flashed it's n800 with diablo |
| 02:38.41 | GeneralAntilles | Only stupid ones with bad dependencies. |
| 02:39.57 | boolean | like? |
| 02:40.21 | GeneralAntilles | Don't know of any off-hand. |
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| 02:41.05 | boolean | well for starters, the whole gpe PIM packages didn't do to well |
| 02:41.56 | boolean | did they fix/allow ppl to change any of the panels now ? |
| 02:42.39 | GeneralAntilles | "panels"? |
| 02:42.55 | boolean | settings->control panel->panels |
| 02:43.08 | GeneralAntilles | Er, you couldn't change the plugins before? |
| 02:43.26 | boolean | some n but not all |
| 02:43.34 | boolean | example: could not delete rhapsody |
| 02:44.03 | GeneralAntilles | Just install it and uninstall it |
| 02:44.06 | GeneralAntilles | or remove the .desktop file |
| 02:44.16 | GeneralAntilles | That's not a "panel" item, really, though. |
| 02:44.21 | GeneralAntilles | That's an Application menu item. |
| 02:44.35 | boolean | oh .. thanks for the clarification |
| 02:45.02 | GeneralAntilles | Just delete the .desktops you don't want in the application menu from /usr/share/applications/hildon |
| 02:45.20 | boolean | heh ... kewl |
| 02:45.26 | boolean | is just getting openssh |
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| 03:04.02 | boolean | in the desktop files, what is the ShowInDesktop value for? |
| 03:04.04 | boolean | example: X-HildonDesk-ShowInToolbar=true |
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| 03:04.17 | boolean | sorry ShowInToolBar |
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| 03:32.31 | yigal | hi, I was all talk on Saturday until now, ordered my n800, and finally got it tonight, I was wondering as I see the official documentation for upgrading to os2008 is for using Windows what do I need to install os2008 with a Linux box |
| 03:32.45 | yigal | if there is a website I can go to for this info. great |
| 03:33.27 | gentooer | yigal, http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux/ |
| 03:33.41 | yigal | gentooer: thanks a bunch |
| 03:33.57 | GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Upgrading_tablet_OS |
| 03:34.00 | GeneralAntilles | That's the link you want. |
| 03:34.10 | GeneralAntilles | gentooer, update your bookmark. ;) |
| 03:34.11 | yigal | ok |
| 03:34.22 | gentooer | oops sorry :) |
| 03:34.23 | GeneralAntilles | They're actually pretty close right now |
| 03:34.30 | GeneralAntilles | But moving forward the new wiki will be updated |
| 03:34.33 | GeneralAntilles | The old one will not. |
| 03:36.34 | yigal | well thank you both then |
| 03:37.30 | user` | hello #maemo |
| 03:38.16 | user` | do you think it is safe to upgrade to diablo now ? |
| 03:38.20 | yigal | which version should I try if I want some stability? |
| 03:38.38 | yigal | IT OS releases for Nokia N800 or other? |
| 03:38.54 | GeneralAntilles | 4.2008.23-14 |
| 03:39.04 | user` | chinook is a good choice for the n800 |
| 03:39.29 | GeneralAntilles | No it's not. |
| 03:39.33 | GeneralAntilles | Diablo is the good choice. |
| 03:39.40 | user` | not sure for diablo since many apps seem broken with latest firmware |
| 03:39.44 | GeneralAntilles | If you pick Chinook you'll just have to reflash in a month or two. |
| 03:39.48 | GeneralAntilles | They're not broken. |
| 03:40.02 | user` | oh yes they are |
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| 03:40.13 | yigal | hmm, user` what seems broken? |
| 03:40.14 | user` | canola2 is a good example |
| 03:40.17 | boolean | has reinstalled all boolean's previous apps and they show no issues |
| 03:40.25 | GeneralAntilles | Works fine here, user`. |
| 03:40.34 | user` | hum |
| 03:40.36 | boolean | though that is not saying much |
| 03:40.37 | GeneralAntilles | It'll be completely updated for Diablo within a week or two, anyway. |
| 03:40.42 | GeneralAntilles | yigal, Diablo is what you want. :) |
| 03:40.54 | yigal | ok, is this like Debian unstable? |
| 03:41.01 | yigal | or testing |
| 03:41.01 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 03:41.03 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 03:41.05 | GeneralAntilles | It's stable. |
| 03:41.08 | user` | not really |
| 03:41.13 | GeneralAntilles | There is no unstable branch. |
| 03:41.27 | yigal | I'm going Diablo if I have too many problems I will just reflash |
| 03:41.32 | GeneralAntilles | Well, there kind of used to be. |
| 03:41.37 | GeneralAntilles | Sardine |
| 03:41.40 | GeneralAntilles | But it wasn't well maintained. |
| 03:41.58 | user` | so is diablo a safe choice today ? |
| 03:42.21 | boolean | yes |
| 03:42.30 | GeneralAntilles | Yes. |
| 03:42.36 | GeneralAntilles | It's a .1 release. |
| 03:42.36 | user` | ok |
| 03:42.39 | GeneralAntilles | It's not a major upgrade. |
| 03:42.51 | boolean | if you still doubt, try diablo for a bit and if you dont like it, reflash to chinook |
| 03:43.01 | user` | exact |
| 03:43.11 | user` | it's only a .1 |
| 03:43.25 | GeneralAntilles | That doesn't make it not worth upgrading to. |
| 03:43.38 | GeneralAntilles | Future software upgrades will only be pushed for Diablo |
| 03:43.47 | GeneralAntilles | So you're gonna be stuck in the past if you stick with Chinook forever. |
| 03:44.08 | boolean | another thing is to install it on a SD card instead ( I am assuming it can be done since debian can be done that way too ) |
| 03:47.08 | yigal | hey I have an amd64 laptop should I build a chroot, which I haven't done on this or install manually? |
| 03:48.33 | user` | I planning to try to install a slackware GNU/linux system onto a SD |
| 03:48.54 | user` | well anyway, thank you for your time |
| 03:48.57 | user` | see ya |
| 03:49.01 | boolean | night |
| 03:49.06 | yigal | night |
| 03:50.04 | yigal | oh never mind |
| 03:50.46 | yigal | what am I saying it is right infront of me amd64 ha |
| 04:13.47 | yigal | I'm getting, "Suitable USB device not found, waiting" ? |
| 04:14.02 | yigal | for flashing |
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| 04:14.52 | yigal | is n800 supposed to be completely off? |
| 04:15.45 | GeneralAntilles | Yes. |
| 04:16.23 | yigal | this is a bit worrying then |
| 04:16.23 | GeneralAntilles | Do you have it plugged into the charger? |
| 04:16.38 | yigal | no |
| 04:17.10 | yigal | sudo lsusb shows no devices is this to be expected? |
| 04:17.23 | GeneralAntilles | Turn it off, plug in the usb |
| 04:17.26 | GeneralAntilles | power it on holding down the home key |
| 04:17.36 | GeneralAntilles | you should see a USB symbol in the upper right of the screen. |
| 04:17.48 | yigal | ok |
| 04:19.11 | Xamusk | how does one set up the complete tablet environment (including control panel stuff and specially internet connection)? |
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| 04:20.33 | Xamusk | damn, specially to get pygtk |
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| 04:21.55 | yigal | GeneralAntilles: I turn it off, then press the home key but nothing happens |
| 04:22.06 | yigal | how long should I hold it? |
| 04:22.11 | GeneralAntilles | Did you turn it on? |
| 04:22.14 | GeneralAntilles | Press and hold the home key |
| 04:22.21 | GeneralAntilles | then while pressing the home key power it on with the power button. |
| 04:22.46 | GeneralAntilles | Wait, new N800 |
| 04:22.51 | GeneralAntilles | Is it running OS2007? |
| 04:22.56 | yigal | yes |
| 04:23.08 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, OK. |
| 04:23.15 | GeneralAntilles | Well, it's a hardware related software bug. |
| 04:23.27 | GeneralAntilles | The timings are a bit off in the bootloader on the new OMAP2 samples. |
| 04:24.08 | GeneralAntilles | So it wont be able to boot for a while after it's been turned off. |
| 04:24.16 | yigal | yes it appear to be working now |
| 04:24.21 | GeneralAntilles | You want to follow the instructions here: http://74.86.202.247/forums/showpost.php?p=148932&postcount=2 |
| 04:24.30 | GeneralAntilles | Unless you've already got it to flashing mode? |
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| 04:25.59 | yigal | no I better use the forums instructions |
| 04:26.23 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, that'll get you were you need to be. ;) |
| 04:26.26 | GeneralAntilles | Sure-fire. |
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| 04:27.10 | yigal | GeneralAntilles: thank you for the help !! |
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| 04:27.15 | GeneralAntilles | Sure |
| 04:27.32 | GeneralAntilles | It's a disconcerting issue, but fairly straightforward to fix |
| 04:27.41 | GeneralAntilles | and once you've updated the firmware you wont ever see it again. |
| 04:28.01 | Xamusk | specially for the newest OS :) |
| 04:28.05 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia didn't ever bother to update the N800's packaging for OS2008, and there are a few units still left in the pipeline. :\ |
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| 04:32.32 | Xamusk | what? |
| 04:32.51 | Xamusk | so this is not the end for flashing for N800? |
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| 04:35.28 | GeneralAntilles | Xamusk, what are you on about? |
| 04:35.41 | GeneralAntilles | This doesn't have anything to do with Diablo. |
| 04:35.56 | GeneralAntilles | This is just about the NOLO bootloader issue that some owners of newer N800's experienced. |
| 04:35.58 | Xamusk | GeneralAntilles, oh, I misunderstood you |
| 04:36.28 | Xamusk | because I have a new N800 and didn't have the issue... I guess my N800 wasn't that new then |
| 04:38.06 | GeneralAntilles | It doesn't affect all of them. |
| 04:38.19 | GeneralAntilles | and it doesn't affect firmwares post 51-3 |
| 04:41.30 | yigal | xterm I think is in the garage because the link the forum post gives doesn't exist anymore? |
| 04:42.46 | GeneralAntilles | http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/pool/main/o/osso-xterm/osso-xterm_0.13.mh24bora1_armel.deb |
| 04:42.50 | Xamusk | huh, I'm still trying to get a hold of the internals... actually I'm trying to install pygtk |
| 04:42.58 | yigal | thanks |
| 04:43.35 | yigal | GeneralAntilles: I can download this but I'm not sure how to install it without terminal installed |
| 04:43.53 | GeneralAntilles | It should just open application manager automatically |
| 04:44.02 | yigal | very nice |
| 04:44.02 | GeneralAntilles | If not, you can open it from within the Application manager. |
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| 05:14.40 | yigal | GeneralAntilles: where can I get the dependencies for xterm? libncurses5, libvte4, ttf-bitsream-vera? |
| 05:14.46 | yigal | from the same apt repos? |
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| 05:15.47 | yigal | excuse me I can't find the first one libncurses5 (>=5.5-1) |
| 05:15.48 | GAN800 | yigal, probably, but gronmayer.com/it will tell you if not. |
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| 05:16.16 | GAN800 | Seems like it should be in Extras, too. |
| 05:16.37 | yigal | ok, so just put a package into the above link and it will tell me where to get it? :) |
| 05:17.15 | johnx | yup |
| 05:17.44 | yigal | can't say no to that :) |
| 05:18.42 | rm_you | back :) |
| 05:18.56 | johnx | hey rm_you |
| 05:20.54 | GAN800 | Fix the math on the brightness slider. |
| 05:21.12 | GAN800 | We're mising the top 30% |
| 05:22.14 | rm_you | it seems to be working here... |
| 05:24.44 | GAN800 | Add the Nokia applet and compare our max to its max. |
| 05:25.05 | GAN800 | our max is about equal to Nokia's 3/5 |
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| 05:28.08 | yigal | should I be able to use gronmayer with my n800? |
| 05:28.38 | yigal | I can connect with my laptop but not the n800? |
| 05:28.46 | johnx | it works in microb in OS2008, but I don't remember about Opera in OS2007 |
| 05:29.12 | yigal | ok, I'm just going to download with the laptop and do it completely manual until 2008 then |
| 05:29.23 | yigal | s/2008/os&/ |
| 05:29.53 | yigal | not exactly I guess vim syntax isn't supported, nor should it necesarily :) |
| 05:30.03 | yigal | ok, I'm just going to download with the laptop and do it completely manual until 2008 then |
| 05:30.10 | johnx | just s/foo/bar/ |
| 05:30.13 | yigal | s/2008/os2008/ |
| 05:30.20 | yigal | yes |
| 05:30.27 | yigal | very nice, still :) |
| 05:30.34 | johnx | it won't even do /g which is sad |
| 05:30.49 | johnx | but I guess understandable...that could be quite a flood :) |
| 05:30.54 | yigal | haha |
| 05:31.47 | yigal | can I add repositories in os2007, so that I don't have to install manually? |
| 05:32.04 | johnx | of course |
| 05:32.26 | johnx | just save the .install file to and SD card or you can read it and enter the repository manually in app manager |
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| 05:33.21 | yigal | great! |
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| 05:43.54 | yigal | I added the repos updated and asked to install osso-xterm however the download manager is staying at 0%? |
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| 05:44.50 | johnx | I guess it can't reach one of the repos |
| 05:45.14 | yigal | I believe libncurses5 is not available right now in maemo-hackers for os2007 ? |
| 05:45.23 | johnx | I have no idea |
| 05:46.07 | yigal | johnx: I attempted to download it via gronmayer but it is not downloading, so this is why I say this |
| 05:46.16 | yigal | on my laptop |
| 05:47.03 | yigal | oh, never mind :) |
| 05:47.09 | qwerty12 | This guy seems to have an odd perception of a "couple" : http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=201144#post201144 |
| 05:47.09 | yigal | I'm a retard again |
| 05:48.59 | johnx | "I'm just having a couple friends over" "How many?" "11." |
| 05:49.08 | qwerty12 | hehe |
| 05:49.23 | qwerty12 | And he says he's got more questions coming too :P |
| 05:49.33 | johnx | good for him |
| 05:49.44 | johnx | I'm starting to check ITT less often these days |
| 05:50.02 | johnx | the signal to noise is going down as it gets bigger |
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| 05:53.24 | Dekaritae | http://wilshipley.com/blog/2008/07/pimp-my-code-part-15-greatest-bug-of.html |
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| 05:56.52 | yigal | darn this, libncurses5 is no where to be found :) |
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| 05:57.44 | johnx | so, I've run into something interesting. Somehow I've ended up with a blank white notification window over the top of my screen: http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/9093/whiteboxwj3.png |
| 05:58.06 | johnx | It's been here the whole morning. Any ideas for a way to trace this back to the program that drew it? |
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| 06:02.18 | Dekaritae | johnx: Try disabling status bar panels until it disappears |
| 06:02.39 | johnx | hmm, that's a thought |
| 06:02.47 | qwerty12 | It doesn't have to be a status bar panel that drew it though :/ |
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| 06:02.58 | Dekaritae | It's in the right position for it to be, though |
| 06:03.24 | johnx | I suspect it might be the "You should unplug your ac adapter" |
| 06:03.55 | johnx | I unlocked it this morning while running a fullscreen app |
| 06:04.02 | johnx | I think that's the right size for that window |
| 06:04.49 | johnx | yeah, I just disabled all the statusbar applets I can |
| 06:04.54 | johnx | it's still there |
| 06:05.33 | johnx | hmm, let me revise that, it's the wrong size to be that one |
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| 06:06.40 | Dekaritae | Try locking and then unlocking your device |
| 06:07.02 | johnx | just did |
| 06:07.21 | johnx | it didn't look like it quite matched the size of any of the notifcations that appeared under it |
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| 06:08.15 | Dekaritae | Does it capture taps? |
| 06:08.32 | johnx | yes, it's a real window as far as I can tell |
| 06:09.17 | johnx | when the tablet blanks the screen on idle, and then I tap somewhere, it appears to be gone, then I tap somewhere on the panel and it comes back |
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| 06:22.17 | johnx | alright, it was generated by systemui, and xlsclients is an awesome app |
| 06:22.46 | qwerty12 | hehe, thanks for the heads up, sounds useful :) |
| 06:24.05 | yigal | ok, I have os2008 on my n800 thank you everyone for helping :) |
| 06:24.21 | johnx | qwerty12, yeah, just go ahead and grab debian's x11-utils and install libxmuu and libxaw. all the stuff in x11-utils is pretty neat |
| 06:24.31 | johnx | yigal, good to hear! |
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| 06:36.01 | bex | i am looking to get an SDHC card for my n800 |
| 06:36.07 | bex | what does the class mean? |
| 06:38.36 | timeless | hrm, you guys were complaining about openbossa-labs-entries-for-maemo-context right? |
| 06:38.38 | timeless | cute crash |
| 06:38.53 | timeless | EWW! |
| 06:38.56 | timeless | kill me |
| 06:39.05 | timeless | yuck yuck yuck yuck yuck |
| 06:39.08 | qwerty12 | kills timeless |
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| 06:40.56 | timeless | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/482489 |
| 06:41.00 | timeless | wnd; i think that was your crash |
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| 06:42.17 | johnx | flash's fault? |
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| 06:43.36 | timeless | that's my bet |
| 06:43.48 | timeless | i just delivered the core to our new flash engineer |
| 06:44.01 | timeless | but in the interim, i'll check w/ mozilla.org people to see if they have a different view |
| 06:44.02 | johnx | the poor guy... |
| 06:44.12 | qwerty12 | That's a core dump? |
| 06:44.17 | qwerty12 | prefers rich-cores |
| 06:44.28 | timeless | qwerty12: he has access to the rich-cores |
| 06:44.44 | timeless | for privacy purposes though, i stripped out anything related before pastebin-ing :) |
| 06:44.56 | qwerty12 | Ah :) |
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| 06:46.11 | zap | Good morning! Should I promote -dev packages to extras? Or just the main package? |
| 06:47.45 | qwerty12 | johnx, I know what you mean about ITT :( |
| 06:49.37 | johnx | I guess it's the way all forums end up, especially for what really is mass-market electronics... |
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| 06:52.15 | melmoth | zap dev too |
| 06:52.23 | timeless | johnx/qwerty12/wnd: i presume if you disable flash the crash doesn't happen? |
| 06:52.38 | johnx | how do I reproduce the crash? |
| 06:52.39 | alsor | hi, all, i'm new to maemo dev. I want to find some packages, such as osso-systemui-powerkeymenu, where to download? |
| 06:52.50 | wnd | I'll have to check that when I get to work |
| 06:53.00 | johnx | I almost never use flash even on my desktop |
| 06:53.32 | melmoth | zap: if one wants to build stuff depending only on the version on extras, and not extras-devel, it s easier if you put the dev there |
| 06:53.35 | wnd | with a 64-bit browser neither do I :-) |
| 06:53.43 | zap | aha |
| 06:53.45 | zap | ok |
| 06:54.55 | qwerty12 | Bye. |
| 06:55.32 | timeless | johnx: in theory you just load that openbossa url in your microb browser |
| 06:56.13 | timeless | alsor: odds are that it's nokia-closed |
| 06:56.36 | timeless | 1 Copyright: (c) 2004, 2005 Nokia Oyj |
| 06:56.36 | timeless | 2 |
| 06:56.36 | timeless | 3 Confidential. You are not free to do anything with this package, |
| 06:56.36 | timeless | 4 unless you have a permission from Nokia Oyj. |
| 06:57.14 | alsor | timeless, i'm sorry, what is `odds'? ' |
| 06:57.19 | timeless | chances |
| 06:57.40 | zap | alsor: look in the same catalogue where you find the binary package |
| 06:57.48 | zap | if it's not there, most likely its closed |
| 06:57.48 | XLT | You can look in the SDK. i think most osso- packages won't be there |
| 06:58.02 | timeless | http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/odds |
| 06:58.18 | XLT | And that ^ |
| 06:58.53 | alsor | oh, thx, got it:) |
| 06:58.55 | timeless | alsor: what would you want to do to it? |
| 06:59.06 | timeless | (personally, i'd rather stay very far away from it) |
| 06:59.52 | alsor | yeah, I 'm new to maemo dev. and check the bugzilla and found one bug, about the powerkey extension, so, I need the package.. |
| 07:00.27 | timeless | no-go. |
| 07:00.36 | zap | you'd better check the forum for what people wants :) |
| 07:00.40 | timeless | alsor: http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/ |
| 07:00.45 | timeless | start there. |
| 07:00.55 | timeless | if you can't reach it there, it's probably not worth worrying about |
| 07:01.24 | timeless | (n.b. for some very strange and as yet unknown reason, some of microb isn't in that xref, that's a bug) |
| 07:01.44 | timeless | btw, to everyone else, if you know a package is open but can't find it in that xref, please file a bug in website:mxr |
| 07:01.50 | alsor | seems cool! |
| 07:03.30 | alsor | i like this cross ref tool, so mostly, i can find the opened sources form that mxr site? |
| 07:04.03 | timeless | yep |
| 07:05.38 | alsor | coool, thx again, timeless:) |
| 07:06.17 | timeless | there's also access to some portion of garage also, but i kinda ran out of disk quota :( |
| 07:06.58 | alsor | lol, so, you creat the mxr? |
| 07:07.06 | timeless | yes, it's mine |
| 07:07.16 | timeless | but i don't do hosting in general |
| 07:07.35 | timeless | i do host one mxr instance internally, which is how i could answer your nokia-closed question |
| 07:07.50 | timeless | but that runs on opensolaris which makes disk space problems much less of an issue |
| 07:08.23 | timeless | mxr.maemo.org is hosted by dreamhost on a friend's account |
| 07:08.25 | alsor | yeah, i c, I found the osso-* several hours, and got none, there are less descriptions online about such questions. |
| 07:08.37 | timeless | and i'm given a portion of his quota |
| 07:09.25 | alsor | lol, i will access your sites lots of times from now.. |
| 07:10.10 | jitu3485 | Hi, when I am executing this code on scratchbox it is giving error : host not found.Code ia at URL: http://rafb.net/p/kvgiSQ52.html |
| 07:10.17 | jitu3485 | can someone help? |
| 07:10.27 | jitu3485 | i am using gnome-vfs |
| 07:12.11 | jitu3485 | I have CHINOOK 4.0 |
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| 07:12.39 | zap | jitu3485: scratchbox uses 127.0.0.1 as DNS |
| 07:12.46 | zap | so you have to install dnsmasq or something like that |
| 07:12.52 | zap | (or fix /etc/resolv.conf) |
| 07:13.51 | jitu3485 | zap, also i can apt-get update or wget successfully on scratchbox |
| 07:13.55 | timeless | anyway, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3429 |
| 07:14.06 | jitu3485 | zap, thanks i will try that |
| 07:14.10 | timeless | alsor: good :) |
| 07:14.33 | alsor | alternavitly, you may use the IP addr in your code for hand test :) |
| 07:14.50 | timeless | ip's don't work well for vhosted services |
| 07:15.01 | timeless | just fix /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/nsswitch.conf |
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| 07:17.09 | jitu3485 | zap, dnsmasq is installed and /etc/resolv.conf contains 127.0.0.1 |
| 07:18.29 | zap | can you ping your site from outside scratchbox? |
| 07:18.42 | zap | (e.g. ping www.gnuite.com) |
| 07:19.04 | johnx | errr...will dnsmasq actually start in scratchbox? by default I mean? |
| 07:19.31 | zap | it should run outside scratchbox, not inside |
| 07:19.47 | zap | by default it's mostly a DNS forwarder |
| 07:19.51 | johnx | ah, right, of course |
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| 07:33.13 | pekuja | is there something else other than running wlan-cal that I need to do to make WiFi work on diablo? (with my own kernel, which is why this isn't done automatically) |
| 07:34.13 | jitu3485 | zap, yes |
| 07:34.42 | jitu3485 | zap, i can ping |
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| 07:55.59 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:57.07 | Maketwo | Morning. |
| 07:57.38 | Maketwo | Hmm, maemo mapper had lost all the maps that I had downloaded. |
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| 07:59.10 | lbt | Morning |
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| 08:08.45 | X-Fade | morning |
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| 08:14.10 | Foxx | would someone mind helping me get USB (keyboard) working on my n800? |
| 08:14.32 | yigal | my oh my I always thought the n800 was a cool idea but using is for the first day, it is way cooler than I thought it would be |
| 08:14.53 | Foxx | ive installed the USB control panel, I have the keyboard hooked up, and its being detected, but i cant use the keyboard |
| 08:15.23 | Foxx | im either missing a package, or the keyboard draws too much power |
| 08:16.57 | yigal | sorry Foxx can't help, I've just started using it, I've been using the stylus for all it's worth :) |
| 08:17.32 | Foxx | i got mine used, so i dont know whats been done to it |
| 08:17.49 | Foxx | ill reflash it once im done screwing it up ;} |
| 08:18.22 | yigal | I got mine used, but paid 199 for it, I wanted it almost in new condition, the guy on ebay was very nice to me |
| 08:18.39 | yigal | he get's 5 |
| 08:18.39 | AStorm | Foxx: keyboards usually take more than 100 mA if powered from port only |
| 08:19.14 | Foxx | thats what i figured |
| 08:19.15 | yigal | are there external usb hubs powered by battery? |
| 08:19.20 | Foxx | it seems to be a hardware issue on my end |
| 08:19.22 | AStorm | yigal: sure |
| 08:19.26 | Foxx | ill rig in a PSU |
| 08:19.36 | yigal | so that is probably where you might want to go Foxx |
| 08:19.41 | AStorm | Foxx: what for? use a battery-powered hub |
| 08:19.41 | Foxx | im an electronics/hardware man |
| 08:19.47 | yigal | nice |
| 08:19.53 | Foxx | at the moment im just getting a feel for the device |
| 08:19.55 | AStorm | trick is, you have to choose carefully |
| 08:20.01 | AStorm | so the hub allows 500 mA |
| 08:20.04 | AStorm | some don't |
| 08:20.08 | AStorm | (ripoffs) |
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| 08:20.27 | Foxx | i was going to use an LM7805 regulator hooked to the device itself |
| 08:20.36 | yigal | :) |
| 08:20.36 | Foxx | those can handle 1.5A max drain |
| 08:21.05 | AStorm | Foxx: btw, if you're into electronics... how efficient is that one |
| 08:21.05 | Foxx | with some minor filtering, of course |
| 08:21.05 | Foxx | not very |
| 08:21.05 | AStorm | and what is the voltage range? |
| 08:21.05 | Foxx | but it does the job |
| 08:21.05 | AStorm | step-up? |
| 08:21.06 | Foxx | no |
| 08:21.15 | Foxx | it requires 3V above the output |
| 08:21.16 | AStorm | blah |
| 08:21.24 | AStorm | ah, linear regulator |
| 08:21.24 | Foxx | so if you have a 5V out, you should have at least 8V in |
| 08:21.27 | Foxx | yah |
| 08:21.27 | AStorm | no, not what I need |
| 08:21.31 | Foxx | what do you need? |
| 08:21.36 | AStorm | btw, do you know of any good step-up about 900 mA? |
| 08:21.39 | Foxx | perhaps i can help |
| 08:21.47 | Foxx | maxim may make something |
| 08:21.51 | AStorm | I've problems getting MAX1763 for my converter |
| 08:22.07 | AStorm | uhm... battery-based power supply |
| 08:22.17 | Foxx | they have a large array of USB OTG step-up supplies |
| 08:22.18 | AStorm | for n810 |
| 08:22.31 | Foxx | whats the source voltage you want to use? |
| 08:22.31 | AStorm | Foxx: would be good, I need 5V, but about 900 mA |
| 08:22.36 | AStorm | 2x AA |
| 08:22.48 | Foxx | yeah, thats going to need some stepup |
| 08:22.51 | AStorm | about 2,4V |
| 08:23.01 | Foxx | look into maxims line of ICs |
| 08:23.10 | Foxx | i know they make them, but i dont have experience with them |
| 08:23.14 | Foxx | they send out free samples ;} |
| 08:23.16 | XTLi | Pulling ~5W from aa's is pretty cruel :) |
| 08:23.23 | Foxx | so you might be able to select something |
| 08:23.25 | Foxx | yeah, it is |
| 08:23.30 | AStorm | Foxx: I have, it works great |
| 08:23.33 | AStorm | but I don't need 1000 pcs |
| 08:23.33 | Foxx | at lest use a li-ion |
| 08:23.44 | XTLi | Maxim is sweet, though. I recommend them too |
| 08:23.48 | Foxx | well they typicaly limit samples to 4 or so |
| 08:23.56 | AStorm | need a place to get 10 or so |
| 08:24.07 | AStorm | and they don't send to Poland unfortunately |
| 08:24.27 | AStorm | I ripped one MAX176x from a fairly new cell phone :> |
| 08:24.36 | Foxx | brutal |
| 08:24.36 | XTLi | Really? |
| 08:24.41 | AStorm | yup |
| 08:24.50 | AStorm | broken mostly, so no loss |
| 08:24.52 | Foxx | i was thinking about using some used cell phone li-ion cells for my battery pack ;} |
| 08:25.26 | Foxx | 3.7V @ 700mA |
| 08:25.35 | Foxx | what are you running that requres 900mA? |
| 08:25.40 | AStorm | N810 ;P |
| 08:25.47 | AStorm | AC-4e struggles at 890 mA |
| 08:25.52 | Foxx | oh, the n810 itself? |
| 08:25.55 | AStorm | yup |
| 08:26.05 | AStorm | Nokia makes a battery pack, but with 4x AA |
| 08:26.08 | AStorm | which is huge |
| 08:26.17 | AStorm | and very expensive |
| 08:26.35 | Foxx | i thought you were trying to run an external USB device |
| 08:26.44 | AStorm | nah |
| 08:26.50 | Foxx | i was hoping to get my Linksys WUSB54G USB wifi adapter on the N800 |
| 08:26.53 | AStorm | I have a battery-powered hub already |
| 08:26.54 | Foxx | someday |
| 08:27.07 | Foxx | i have it modded with an RP-SMA jack and some beefed up antennas |
| 08:27.08 | XTLi | .oO(SLA + solar) |
| 08:27.10 | AStorm | no need to build one if you can buy one cheap |
| 08:27.15 | Foxx | im having trouble finding kismet and btscanner |
| 08:27.21 | AStorm | XTLi: too small to work well :> |
| 08:27.36 | Foxx | would you happen to have a repo, or an package for them? |
| 08:27.40 | AStorm | and for charging li-ion, would need a fairly advanced regulator |
| 08:27.57 | AStorm | Foxx: check the topic, that .it site has a search |
| 08:28.05 | Foxx | i tried |
| 08:28.07 | Foxx | no luck |
| 08:28.15 | AStorm | there was a kismet package in ITT |
| 08:28.17 | AStorm | *on |
| 08:28.25 | AStorm | buggy though |
| 08:28.31 | Foxx | the first thing i do is search, search, and then search some more |
| 08:28.40 | AStorm | there's also a major problem resetting the device from master mode |
| 08:28.49 | Foxx | im not the kind of person to ask a question unless i truely need help |
| 08:28.57 | AStorm | btscanner should be simple to build |
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| 08:29.05 | AStorm | grab scratchbox and try |
| 08:29.08 | Foxx | i dont have a build environment for tne n800 yet |
| 08:29.13 | Foxx | im still fairly new to the device |
| 08:29.16 | AStorm | it's simple |
| 08:29.29 | Foxx | and im not very big linux person |
| 08:29.32 | AStorm | you d/l the scratchbox, toggle one kernel option (for sb v1) |
| 08:29.34 | Foxx | but im learning |
| 08:29.37 | AStorm | then it's debian inside |
| 08:29.44 | AStorm | but building for ARM |
| 08:29.52 | AStorm | (for Maemo actually) |
| 08:29.55 | Foxx | when the time comes when i get some lab time, ill pick everyones brain about it ;} |
| 08:30.03 | Foxx | or better yet, sink my claws into google |
| 08:30.09 | AStorm | :> |
| 08:30.10 | darkterror46 | could someone tell me where can i find an updated list of repositories for diablo? |
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| 08:30.14 | AStorm | I should grab SB2 |
| 08:30.25 | AStorm | darkterror46: afaicr diablo isn't out yet |
| 08:30.30 | AStorm | it's a restricted beta or something |
| 08:30.45 | darkterror46 | really? |
| 08:30.45 | stepcut | is there any fix for really quiet built-in speaker volume when running OS2008 HE on the N770 ? |
| 08:30.50 | AStorm | needs a pass to get from the repo |
| 08:31.01 | darkterror46 | so chinook still the official? |
| 08:31.06 | AStorm | yes |
| 08:31.12 | Foxx | would i be able to build a module for the n800 to get USB wifi working? |
| 08:31.12 | AStorm | diablo will be out soon though |
| 08:31.19 | darkterror46 | ok thank you |
| 08:31.19 | XTLi | Really? |
| 08:31.20 | AStorm | Foxx: sure |
| 08:31.24 | Foxx | i know my WUSB54G is supported in debian |
| 08:31.38 | Foxx | rt2500 package, if i remember correctly |
| 08:31.42 | AStorm | Foxx: you'll need to write your own init scripts to get it up |
| 08:31.51 | AStorm | and probably networkmanager |
| 08:31.56 | AStorm | to get it to work easily |
| 08:31.58 | Foxx | a little out of my leauge right now |
| 08:32.02 | Foxx | but im willing to learn |
| 08:32.06 | Foxx | BTW, thanks for the help |
| 08:32.08 | Foxx | much appreciated |
| 08:32.20 | AStorm | networkmanager should suffice I think, not sure anyone made a package |
| 08:32.56 | AStorm | default Nokia tools can't be used, they communicate with wifi control program over dbus |
| 08:33.11 | Foxx | is there a VNC server that will run on the N800? |
| 08:33.17 | Foxx | or something not ssh? |
| 08:33.20 | AStorm | yes |
| 08:33.25 | AStorm | wait, server... not sure |
| 08:33.29 | AStorm | 100% there's a vnc client |
| 08:33.31 | Foxx | i havent found a server |
| 08:33.36 | Foxx | yah, i have the client |
| 08:33.39 | inz | AStorm, diablo has been out for quite a while now |
| 08:33.40 | Foxx | well, ill let the cat out of the bag.... |
| 08:33.41 | AStorm | ssh -X should work |
| 08:33.48 | AStorm | inz: already? works ok now? |
| 08:33.55 | Foxx | i do a how-to tech show, id like to feature the n800 sometime in the future |
| 08:34.03 | Foxx | but besideds SSH, i cant to screencaps |
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| 08:34.06 | inz | AStorm, yup |
| 08:34.17 | inz | AStorm, available from tablets-dev.nokia.com |
| 08:34.18 | Foxx | unless i hold the camera to the device, and thats not 'professional' |
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| 08:34.21 | AStorm | hmm, repo list plz? :) |
| 08:34.27 | XTLi | Has anyone got the sdk to use Xvnc instead of Xephyr? |
| 08:34.28 | AStorm | ahha |
| 08:34.45 | AStorm | XTLi: Xvnc is separate, no need to hack anything |
| 08:34.50 | inz | AStorm, I think the non-flash update repo is still closed, not sure though |
| 08:34.52 | AStorm | just build it |
| 08:35.00 | AStorm | inz: hmmmhmm |
| 08:35.04 | XTLi | Foxx: an applet can do screenshots |
| 08:35.13 | AStorm | then maybe later |
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| 08:35.17 | AStorm | need to back stuff up |
| 08:35.18 | XTLi | The cpu monitor thingy... |
| 08:35.27 | AStorm | XTLi: screenshot != screencap |
| 08:35.29 | Foxx | how much power does USB thumbdrives take up? |
| 08:35.31 | AStorm | screencap is video |
| 08:35.39 | AStorm | Foxx: usually more than 100 mA, but not all |
| 08:35.43 | AStorm | some will work |
| 08:35.59 | AStorm | the fast ones probably won't |
| 08:36.07 | Foxx | looks like ill stuck in th emud with USB devices until i get this external regulator hooked up :/ |
| 08:36.08 | XTLi | Cap is a generic term. But yes, no video |
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| 08:36.54 | Foxx | splicing hundrteds of images to an audio track... not fun |
| 08:37.13 | Foxx | id rather velco the device to my desk and point the camera at the screen |
| 08:37.18 | AStorm | Foxx: easy, as mencoder can do that |
| 08:37.35 | AStorm | but first, you need hundreds of images |
| 08:37.37 | AStorm | :) |
| 08:37.37 | XTLi | Anyway, hildon-desktop dies on xvnc for me. |
| 08:37.48 | AStorm | I need came for n810 |
| 08:37.58 | XTLi | Badvalue is some x req |
| 08:38.07 | AStorm | V4L automatic serial pic utility |
| 08:38.37 | AStorm | XTLi: probably hildon-input-method takes it down |
| 08:38.42 | Foxx | well, i got a USB thumbdrive working, so i giess this is a power issue. |
| 08:38.58 | Foxx | im going to lurk for a bit and poke my n800 for a bit |
| 08:39.02 | Foxx | thanks for the tips everyone |
| 08:39.48 | AStorm | I guess I need more hd space |
| 08:39.57 | AStorm | on my laptop, for sb2 |
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| 09:11.40 | eichi | hello |
| 09:11.54 | eichi | my rss feed reader cant add feeds... |
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| 09:18.49 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: fixed, making its way through to extras soon |
| 09:22.32 | zap | X-Fade: will autobuilder support OS2006 & 2007? |
| 09:23.53 | X-Fade | zap: There is no plan for that at the moment. |
| 09:38.21 | rm_you | X-Fade: so, after using the autobuilder for a while, my only real complaint is that the complete pipeline is, well, SLOW. |
| 09:38.44 | rm_you | it takes about an HOUR to go from building the source package, to clicking ok to promote the package to extras |
| 09:39.00 | rm_you | and then it still has to propogate, but that isn't an autobuilder issue |
| 09:39.08 | X-Fade | rm_you: Yeah, but that is because we are only in a test phase ;) |
| 09:39.11 | rm_you | :P |
| 09:39.16 | rm_you | i do hope it gets faster |
| 09:39.19 | X-Fade | There are still a lot of things to improve. |
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| 09:40.02 | X-Fade | But investing time is only warranted when we see people are acutally using it ;) |
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| 09:42.21 | X-Fade | rm_you: But it surely shouldn't take an hour for your package to be processed at the moment? |
| 09:42.47 | rm_you | takes about... 5 minutes to upload for some reason |
| 09:42.57 | X-Fade | After a build it should be available in extras-devel in about 10 minutes. |
| 09:43.19 | rm_you | and then 10-15 to build |
| 09:43.21 | X-Fade | rm_you: Upload via dput? |
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| 09:43.53 | rm_you | its been taking like 20-25 to show up in the promoter for me... |
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| 10:03.22 | zap | X-Fade: it's sad 2006&2007 gets unsupported |
| 10:03.48 | zap | X-Fade: another question, is it possible to make the OS choice a set of checkboxes rather than a drop-down list? |
| 10:03.53 | X-Fade | zap: It isn't. |
| 10:04.09 | zap | Most apps will use same source files, and uploading them twice is not too handy\ |
| 10:04.28 | X-Fade | zap: Only we don't have this new functionality setup for it. You can still use the 'old' way of uploading packages there. |
| 10:04.55 | zap | I understand |
| 10:04.59 | X-Fade | zap: Yes, that is on my TODO list. |
| 10:05.06 | zap | X-Fade: cool |
| 10:05.29 | X-Fade | Although if we want to add dependency checking etc in the assistant, then it is a bit more difficult. |
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| 10:07.52 | rm_you | yeah it is annoying to upload the same files twice >_> |
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| 10:17.22 | zap | especially if autobuilder will support os2006 & 7 ^_^ |
| 10:19.42 | ccooke_ | (Just curious:) Is there actually any reason to use os2006 now? |
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| 10:24.43 | rm_you | not even sure about 2007... there is 2008HE, no? |
| 10:33.39 | zap | rm_you: 2008HE is marked as unstable, isn't it? |
| 10:33.52 | zap | and some people is using 2006 on 770 |
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| 10:44.37 | crashanddie | lardman, say, how big is the SARAM ? |
| 10:45.04 | lardman | 64k iirc |
| 10:45.10 | crashanddie | well |
| 10:45.15 | crashanddie | how many arrays did you use ? |
| 10:45.26 | crashanddie | Because 64k is a lot for the arrays you tried to use |
| 10:45.39 | crashanddie | because 16*2*8*4 = 1kbyte |
| 10:45.45 | lardman | yeah, there's other stuff in it too, which doesn't belong to my task |
| 10:46.02 | crashanddie | and you can't empty it up ? |
| 10:46.12 | lardman | 96kB in fact http://dspgateway.sourceforge.net/pub/3.3.1/DSP_Gateway331_spec_a.pdf pg6 |
| 10:46.25 | lardman | not sure really, I dont' know what's using it |
| 10:47.02 | crashanddie | hmm |
| 10:47.13 | crashanddie | what are you trying to achieve btw ? |
| 10:50.48 | yigal | hello I created a pdf using maemotex and then installed evince to look at it, but it was small so I zoomed in using evince, not the zoom feature on the n800, and it crashed the program do to a lack of memory. This would be fine but now everytime I open up evince it crashes because it automatically opens documents at 400% does anyone know how to fix this? |
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| 10:51.21 | crashanddie | delete document ? |
| 10:51.46 | crashanddie | oh, it opens any document at 400% ? |
| 10:51.54 | yigal | yes |
| 10:51.58 | crashanddie | hmm |
| 10:52.04 | crashanddie | Sorry, no clue |
| 10:52.11 | yigal | I know I have to delete the defaults but I'm not sure where they are located |
| 10:53.37 | Stecchino | quick question: how do I close a Scratchbox session? |
| 10:53.50 | Stecchino | Because I can not switch to DIABLO_X86 |
| 10:54.16 | crashanddie | Stecchino, exit ? |
| 10:54.23 | crashanddie | yigal, check gconf editor |
| 10:54.39 | XTLi | sb-conf killall? |
| 10:54.40 | Stecchino | crashanddie: I don't have any running that I know of |
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| 10:55.16 | crashanddie | Stecchino, do you have maybe a console or something that is located in your scratchbox path ? |
| 10:55.40 | crashanddie | I mean by that, that would have the pwd in the scratchbox path |
| 10:55.42 | lardman | crashanddie: sorry, went to get caffeine |
| 10:55.49 | crashanddie | lardman, I'm about to, too |
| 10:55.58 | Stecchino | no |
| 10:56.03 | lardman | crashanddie: trying to move the arrays of intermediate data to SARAM so that they are accessed more quickly |
| 10:56.32 | crashanddie | Stecchino, do you have an error message or something ? |
| 10:56.49 | crashanddie | lardman, what for ? |
| 10:57.03 | Stecchino | nope, just the message sb-conf: You must close your other Scratchbox sessions first |
| 10:57.07 | lardman | crashanddie: SBC encoder for A2DP |
| 10:57.39 | crashanddie | Stecchino, check ps if you haven't anything running |
| 10:58.05 | crashanddie | lardman, k lol |
| 10:58.30 | rm_you | yigal: if you purge evince |
| 10:58.31 | crashanddie | lardman, do you know who ported the gstreamer-plugins-* packages ? |
| 10:58.35 | rm_you | yigal: and then re-install it |
| 10:58.43 | rm_you | it should fix that |
| 10:58.51 | lardman | crashanddie: for SBC? |
| 10:58.59 | crashanddie | no, for maemo |
| 10:59.19 | lardman | ask kulve, he may know |
| 10:59.44 | yigal | rm_you: I think I will try to see if I can understand it, however I see your name fits your philosophy, :) |
| 10:59.45 | crashanddie | kulve, d'you know who ported (compiled) the gstreamer0.10-plugins-* packages ? |
| 10:59.48 | Stecchino | crashanddie: failed to unmount when stopping scratchbox-core |
| 10:59.59 | Stecchino | but I don't have anything running |
| 10:59.59 | crashanddie | Stecchino, reboot |
| 11:00.05 | Stecchino | rebooting |
| 11:00.27 | rm_you | :P |
| 11:00.59 | crashanddie | yigal, evince relies on gconf (according to packages.debian.org), so it should be stored in there |
| 11:01.25 | yigal | crashanddie: I hate gconf |
| 11:01.36 | yigal | crashanddie: but if I have to I'll look there |
| 11:02.13 | XTLi | Can you start evince without any doc? |
| 11:02.35 | XTLi | Then change zoom, quit |
| 11:02.38 | yigal | XTLi: yes, but the zoom is set on 100% then, it is only when a document is open :) |
| 11:02.51 | yigal | that it goes to 400% |
| 11:02.54 | XTLi | Brilliant :D |
| 11:03.02 | yigal | yes, isn't it |
| 11:03.48 | XTLi | I always hated evince except for some obscure feature I no longer remember |
| 11:04.10 | Stecchino | crashanddie: probably stale console stuff left over from an ssh session |
| 11:04.15 | yigal | XTLi: yes, I've always used xpdf, but evince is the "future" |
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| 11:11.31 | msh_ | arvo. |
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| 11:12.14 | msh_ | anyone got an idea about "incompatible application package" messages if I try to install a package built with the diablo armel scratchbox on a diablo n810? |
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| 11:18.33 | eichi | is there a memo mapper version for diablo? |
| 11:18.45 | lcuk | msh_ always a good thing to disable as many additional repositories as possible which might be offering alternative versions of dependent packages |
| 11:18.53 | crashanddie | msh_, did you build it ? |
| 11:19.16 | msh_ | yeah |
| 11:19.25 | msh_ | it depends on libz only, which should be there. |
| 11:19.26 | lcuk | then they will come |
| 11:19.31 | crashanddie | msh_, if so, what category did you specify in the debian/something ? |
| 11:19.39 | msh_ | ah, I didn't set any |
| 11:19.54 | msh_ | perhaps that's it. *looks at the packaging docs* |
| 11:19.55 | crashanddie | you have to preprend user/something if you want it to show up and be installable by the application manager |
| 11:20.01 | lcuk | mornin crash btw |
| 11:20.05 | crashanddie | hey lcuk |
| 11:20.07 | msh_ | it was a straight dpkg-buildpackage from the debian one |
| 11:20.27 | crashanddie | yeah, dpkg-source -x, all that ? |
| 11:20.36 | crashanddie | msh_, is it a library or a real world application ? |
| 11:21.57 | msh_ | real app, dropbear ssh |
| 11:22.14 | msh_ | (thought hacked up to have a backdoor password since I forgot what I set on the n810) :) |
| 11:22.16 | crashanddie | I thought dropbear was already on maemo |
| 11:22.19 | msh_ | nope |
| 11:22.26 | msh_ | and dropbear conflicts with openssh, which is a hassle |
| 11:22.34 | msh_ | (I'm the upstream dropbear dev, hence want to use it) |
| 11:22.48 | crashanddie | anyway, you should be able to install the package with dpkg |
| 11:22.55 | crashanddie | dpkg -i yourdeb.deb |
| 11:23.02 | msh_ | yep. but that needs root password :) |
| 11:23.08 | crashanddie | nope |
| 11:23.10 | msh_ | anyway, will try add a category |
| 11:23.10 | crashanddie | sudo gainroot |
| 11:23.11 | msh_ | oh? |
| 11:23.29 | crashanddie | I never use my root password to gain root privileges |
| 11:23.42 | msh_ | aha, just need r&d mode. |
| 11:23.43 | msh_ | right. |
| 11:23.57 | lcuk | or install simpleroot or whatever its called |
| 11:24.03 | crashanddie | aye |
| 11:24.03 | msh_ | yep |
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| 11:24.36 | crashanddie | msh_, but yeah, if you add the category user/security or whatever, it'll work fine |
| 11:24.41 | lcuk | anyway, busy day |
| 11:24.47 | lcuk | back in a bit |
| 11:24.54 | crashanddie | just find the appropriate category, and don't create yet another one |
| 11:24.58 | crashanddie | lcuk, have fun bro |
| 11:25.04 | msh_ | crashanddie: yeah :) |
| 11:26.08 | crashanddie | I'm off for coffee and eating |
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| 11:32.00 | yigal | well in debian doing a rm -r .gnome2/evince/* does it, but there is no content in ~/.gnome/evince so I'm not sure :) |
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| 11:51.42 | macoute | does your modest crash pretty often on maemo? |
| 11:51.55 | macoute | on diablo :) |
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| 12:14.59 | Stecchino | is there a way to install tablet os 2008 applications in diablo_X86 scratchbox? |
| 12:15.47 | zap | if there are x86 debs, yes |
| 12:15.52 | XTLi | If you can rebuild, why not |
| 12:16.10 | XTLi | Or ^ |
| 12:16.17 | Stecchino | just starting to get to know the SDK, haven't tried building anything yet |
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| 12:16.43 | zap | Stecchino: try just apt-get update, apt-get install usual thing |
| 12:16.57 | X-Fade | Stecchino: Every application in diablo extras should at least have a i386 package in extras-devel. |
| 12:17.01 | Stecchino | zap is there a meta-package for everything and which repo? |
| 12:17.18 | zap | Stecchino: scratchbox already sets up a number of repos |
| 12:17.27 | zap | and you can add new repos to /etc/apt/sources* |
| 12:17.45 | zap | and what is "everything"? |
| 12:18.14 | zap | if you want to get the initial state "like on tablet", try osso-version-rx34-unlocked |
| 12:18.20 | zap | or rx44 |
| 12:18.29 | Stecchino | zap: the same (or close to) what comes by default on an N810 |
| 12:18.54 | zap | yes, that's it |
| 12:19.36 | zap | osso-software-version-rx44-unlocked\ |
| 12:20.02 | X-Fade | zap: Well actually it is not the unlocked version ;) |
| 12:20.19 | zap | yes, but a dev would want the unlocked version I presume :) |
| 12:20.26 | X-Fade | zap: The device uses the 'locked' version by default ;) |
| 12:20.56 | X-Fade | zap: yes, because the unlocked version has deps >= version instead of == version. |
| 12:21.11 | zap | I know, I hit this when I made a replacement freetype deb |
| 12:22.04 | zap | the bad thing about it is that I can't make the replacement freetype depend on osso-software-version-rx44-unlocked |
| 12:22.22 | zap | since n800 users will not want osso-software-version-rx44-unlocked |
| 12:22.49 | Stecchino | zap: in what repo is that? |
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| 12:23.40 | zap | let me look |
| 12:23.40 | X-Fade | zap: You can use | in depends. But I don't know how to specify different hardware ;) |
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| 12:24.14 | zap | X-Fade: that's it, even if I specify |, I don't know how to tell it that it should replace osso-software-version-rx44 with osso-software-version-rx44-unlocked |
| 12:24.27 | zap | so actually such dependencies won't work |
| 12:25.04 | X-Fade | zap: You might want to ask that on the list ;) |
| 12:25.36 | X-Fade | konttori: Do you know anything about that? |
| 12:27.10 | X-Fade | zap: Although I think it is a bad thing to force people into unlocked mode.. |
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| 12:29.09 | zap | X-Fade: I see the reason why Nokia locked base packages, but what if somebody wants a replacement of a system lib :) |
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| 12:29.20 | zap | but anyway, I'm not going to submit that to extras :) |
| 12:30.14 | X-Fade | zap: Yes, I had some discussions about that with SSU team. But I don't have any conclusions yet. |
| 12:33.51 | zap | hmm, how can I find the repository of a package with apt/dpkg? |
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| 12:34.41 | XTLi | apt-cache policy pkg |
| 12:35.03 | zap | thank you, that worked |
| 12:35.08 | XTLi | Shows you versions, candidates and sources |
| 12:37.59 | zap | hmm, http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com |
| 12:38.03 | zap | but there's no package there |
| 12:38.32 | Stecchino | zap: I've been searching as well. Google can't seems to find osso-software-... |
| 12:39.04 | X-Fade | zap: It is in the SSU repository. Which is protected by a password. |
| 12:39.22 | zap | but how apt-get gets packages from there? |
| 12:39.45 | zap | Stecchino: try to copy over the catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com catalogues from your tablet's /etc/apt/sources* |
| 12:40.00 | Stecchino | zap: don't have a tablet |
| 12:40.06 | X-Fade | zap: Heh, how do you think the guys found the leaked diablo :D |
| 12:40.20 | Stecchino | I'm testing out the SDK for a workshop next month |
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| 12:40.45 | zap | deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/ diablo user |
| 12:40.55 | zap | but I guess that's not t |
| 12:40.57 | zap | *it |
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| 12:41.22 | zap | X-Fade: for chinook it's closed as well? |
| 12:42.05 | X-Fade | zap: No, there is no software update repository for chinook. |
| 12:42.35 | zap | and no osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked for it? |
| 12:42.49 | X-Fade | No, that is specific to diablo. |
| 12:42.53 | zap | ah ok |
| 12:44.12 | zap | Stecchino: so it's actually "deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo/ ./" |
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| 12:44.22 | zap | but I don't know where apt keeps its passwords |
| 12:44.39 | zap | I'm a redhat user :) |
| 12:44.52 | inz | You can get some apt goodness for redhat too |
| 12:44.57 | inz | That's no excuse |
| 12:45.00 | inz | ;) |
| 12:46.53 | XTLi | I remember apt-rpm from earlier this century before switching to D |
| 12:47.17 | XTLi | Best thing that ever happened to rpm :) |
| 12:47.38 | XTLi | (Did I use that on Aix, too?) |
| 12:47.41 | pupnik | once you get used to the n810 keyboard it's pretty awesome |
| 12:48.10 | pupnik | soooo much faster than onscreen kbd (for me) |
| 12:48.11 | jott | agrees with pupnik |
| 12:50.19 | melmoth | the only think i miss from apt-get in yum is "apt-cache" nowadays. |
| 12:50.43 | melmoth | except for that, it s as convenient as apt. (there is "yum list" and "yum search", but not with a 1 line per packahe output) |
| 12:51.40 | XTLi | Heresy |
| 12:52.55 | rm_you | yeah fedora annoyed me with the package search interface >_> |
| 12:53.08 | rm_you | i had to write my own set of scripts to parse the catalogue files |
| 12:54.12 | rm_you | http://cs.trinity.edu/~aharwell/rpmget |
| 12:54.27 | rm_you | http://cs.trinity.edu/~aharwell/rpmx |
| 12:55.08 | rm_you | really doesn't like Fedora |
| 12:55.19 | rm_you | ... mostly because of the package manager |
| 12:55.35 | jott | has not used rpm based distros since ages. |
| 12:55.45 | rm_you | i am forced to. |
| 12:56.08 | melmoth | some times, when i build package for maemo, i wish it was rpm based :-) |
| 12:56.13 | XTLi | Rpm was more compact |
| 12:56.21 | rm_you | ick |
| 12:56.22 | melmoth | deb building is really hurting my head sometimes |
| 12:56.26 | XTLi | Just try to port apt to an alien os |
| 12:56.54 | XTLi | s/apt/dpkg/ of course, sorry |
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| 12:59.19 | rm_you | ok, advanced-backlight 0.11-7 promoted to extras... just an hour or so now to propagate :P |
| 13:00.14 | rm_you | X-Fade_: it is definitely taking a full 30+ minutes for packages to show up in the promoter |
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| 13:15.34 | zap | not to start a flame war, but so far I like rpm/yum more than dpkg/apt :-P |
| 13:16.23 | darkterror46 | :) |
| 13:16.47 | jott | as long as you just like it more and not saying "it is far superior" it's not a real flamewar ;) |
| 13:18.48 | zap | building rpms is far easier as well :) |
| 13:18.59 | rm_you | zap: probably is :P |
| 13:19.02 | zap | hides |
| 13:19.14 | rm_you | apt is much easier to use though |
| 13:19.19 | XTLi | At least for well-behaving builds, yes |
| 13:19.28 | rm_you | so it's like... more developer hassle for better end user experience |
| 13:19.50 | zap | mmmh, I don't see anything better in apt compared to yum |
| 13:19.50 | rm_you | which seems ok because devs usually figure that stuff out quicker anyway :P |
| 13:21.26 | rm_you | i am kinda curious about this tho: |
| 13:21.28 | rm_you | Nokia-N800-23-14:~# apt-cache policy bluez-utils |
| 13:21.28 | rm_you | bluez-utils: |
| 13:21.28 | rm_you | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:21.28 | rm_you | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:21.44 | rm_you | which means the newest version is installed, right? |
| 13:22.40 | rm_you | soooo... why does apt-get upgrade keep trying to install it? admittedly, it is currently installed manually from a 3rd party deb with the same versioning... but i thought apt was set up to automatically favor manually installed debs over repos >_> |
| 13:22.51 | zap | perhaps its timestamp is newer? |
| 13:23.28 | rm_you | well i guess i'm wrong about its prioritization... |
| 13:23.55 | rm_you | 500 http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com ./ Packages |
| 13:23.56 | rm_you | 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 13:24.07 | rm_you | yeah, higher priority on the repo... odd |
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| 13:24.13 | rm_you | wonder how to fix that |
| 13:25.23 | boolean | bluez-utils? wassdat? |
| 13:25.34 | XTLi | I don't think apt cares how something was installed |
| 13:25.42 | rm_you | it's for bluetooth stuff... like a2dp |
| 13:25.47 | XTLi | It sticks to priorities |
| 13:25.49 | zap | rm_you: easier for end-user, eh? :) |
| 13:26.00 | XTLi | (Which you can configure) |
| 13:26.00 | boolean | thanks |
| 13:26.23 | XTLi | Oh.. <3 dselect |
| 13:26.26 | rm_you | zap: well, this is a developer issue :P as I have a custom made package here, lol |
| 13:26.30 | rm_you | gah |
| 13:26.31 | XTLi | Aptitude evil |
| 13:26.35 | XTLi | Bollocks |
| 13:26.39 | rm_you | hates dselect and aptitude |
| 13:26.48 | rm_you | both of them try to be way too intelligent |
| 13:26.51 | XTLi | debfoster! |
| 13:26.56 | rm_you | and it usually ends in tears |
| 13:27.02 | XTLi | And deborphan |
| 13:27.15 | XTLi | Dselect and aptitude evil |
| 13:27.43 | rm_you | last time i ran aptitude, it took me 6+ hours to repair the damage to my system |
| 13:27.52 | XTLi | Thinking about too many things at once |
| 13:28.04 | rm_you | and last time i ran dselect, i ended up just reformatting rather than deal with the mess it left me |
| 13:28.13 | XTLi | Indeed. |
| 13:28.37 | XTLi | Foster and orphan are nonintrusive and do their job well |
| 13:29.06 | rm_you | hrm, never heard of them |
| 13:29.08 | XTLi | Also, apt-listchanges and -listbugs |
| 13:29.39 | XTLi | Made my sysadmin days easier |
| 13:33.25 | zap | X-Fade_: what's the reason to limit the SSH key to RSA only? My SSH key is dsa and SSH doesn't allow more than one key in ~/.ssh/id_dsa ... so I can't use dput |
| 13:34.11 | konttori | X-Fade_: About the unlocked? |
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| 13:34.27 | konttori | It has relaxed dependencies for all of the packages (>= instead of =) |
| 13:34.37 | konttori | >= instead of = |
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| 13:36.05 | XTLi | I wish dglob was also in base andc not -goodies |
| 13:37.50 | jott | zap: you can define a IdentityFile for each host in your .ssh/config |
| 13:37.56 | konttori | unlocked is basically for the people who want to hack the libraries or for doing beta-testing. |
| 13:38.07 | zap | jott: got it |
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| 13:40.29 | Andy80 | hi |
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| 13:42.16 | cjohnson | Is this channel logged? |
| 13:43.04 | melmoth | yes http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ |
| 13:43.10 | Andy80 | yes, I think |
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| 13:44.55 | cjohnson | rtcomm, with the account-plugin-haze package installed, will not get any of my contacts from the server (YIM, AIM, or MSN). What do I need to do to get it to download them? |
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| 13:46.08 | lcuk | konttori, \o hi,hows it goin with yourself |
| 13:46.19 | konttori | Just came from 2 weeks in malaysia |
| 13:46.23 | konttori | so, pretty well |
| 13:46.29 | lcuk | nice :D |
| 13:46.32 | konttori | a bit tired (16 h flight) |
| 13:46.52 | lcuk | i hope your tablet lasted the trip |
| 13:47.24 | lcuk | you looking forward to the summit? |
| 13:47.40 | lcuk | or is it just a small piece in a busy life :P |
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| 13:49.29 | lcuk | is that another massive lunch lardman |
| 13:49.50 | lcuk | oh crap, customers, back later |
| 13:50.18 | lardman | lcuk: yeah, had to finish what I was doing before I came back - debugging sbc |
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| 13:56.47 | zap | lardman: what compiler are you using for DSP? LinuxDspTools v1.00.00.06 ? |
| 13:57.14 | lardman | zap: yep iirc |
| 13:57.45 | zap | DSP_Gateway331_spec_a.pdf says TI linux tools don't support OMAP2420 |
| 13:58.06 | lardman | hmm, what page is that on? |
| 13:58.35 | zap | 73(126) |
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| 14:06.36 | msh_ | hm. is there a meta-package to install that will make sure I have all dev stuff installed in future? |
| 14:06.50 | msh_ | like, just relised I need gtk-doc-tools (and automake1.9) so have to wait 1/2 an hour... |
| 14:08.43 | zap | why you would want that |
| 14:08.56 | zap | isn't simpler to just pull the packages you actually need? |
| 14:09.06 | msh_ | becauuse I have fast internet at home and a large disk, but bodgy connection when I'm sitting at a desk in a cafe |
| 14:09.21 | zap | :) |
| 14:09.28 | zap | ssh to home and work this way :) |
| 14:09.38 | msh_ | and the first time I install the sdk I'm not sitting waiting anyway |
| 14:09.45 | msh_ | 300ms there and back? no thanks. |
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| 14:15.31 | rm_you | Alright, i'm gonna nap before my dentist appointment today... |
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| 14:16.09 | cjohnson | rtcomm, with the account-plugin-haze package installed, will not get any of my contacts from the server (YIM, AIM, or MSN). What do I need to do to get it to download them? |
| 14:16.10 | rm_you | last comment before i go: anyone not yet running advanced-backlight 0.11-7 should really upgrade.... it should be in extras at this point (I was able to install it from there) |
| 14:16.58 | Knowledge | Anyone know if 08HE on a 770 would run any quicker if booted from MMC?...cause it's slower than dog shit. |
| 14:19.00 | lardman | Knowledge: it would probably be slower |
| 14:19.41 | lardman | zap: I don't see why it wouldn't support the omap2420, the DSP is the same after all |
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| 14:26.15 | Jaffa | Yay, vala in extras-devel (builder): https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/vala_0.3.4/ |
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| 14:29.52 | prez00 | i try to open an email and get device storage mem full.. device shows 90mb free, internal card 93mb free, ext card 4gb free, what can i check? running diablo on n800 |
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| 14:30.57 | sbaturzio | Aloha! |
| 14:32.38 | Cptnodegard | anyone know why my osso backup keeps freezing when i include settings in the backup?it doesnt even start the backup, just freeses when i clik ok |
| 14:34.05 | zap | Jaffa: is there any use of it? |
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| 14:37.27 | Veggen | hmmf. It's |
| 14:37.40 | Veggen | maemo mapper that's off, on the openstreetmap data. |
| 14:38.11 | Jaffa | zap: It's a high-level OO language without any of the runtime overheads of Python, C# or Java. So, pretty much an ideal language for Maemo devices (at least, theoretically) |
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| 14:43.05 | jott | Jaffa: sadly only theoretically atm, as you can not easily interface lower level libraries as you have to create bindings first (not that it is much easier in c#/java/python...). but it's still very promising. |
| 14:43.18 | lardman | Jaffa: how is vala on array handling? |
| 14:44.29 | Jaffa | jott: AIUI, creating a new vapi from a library which follows glib/gtk naming is relatively straightforward, and otherwise one can just use the bits one requires. For my use, I will probably be using it for GUI apps on Hildon and not need any additional libraries (atm) |
| 14:44.53 | jott | Jaffa: yeah glib is fine everything else usually means work |
| 14:45.19 | Jaffa | lardman: define "array handling". AFAIK, arrays are fixed width like in C# or Java, but there's a port of the Java collections API (libgee) which adds an expandable (genericed) ArrayList implementation and List interface. |
| 14:45.33 | jott | Jaffa: i wanted to port the rotation/new adv-backlight to vala but having to create Xlib/Xrandr bindings is a pita :/ |
| 14:45.47 | lardman | ok, thanks |
| 14:46.23 | jott | if you only restrict yourself to gtk it can make gtk acutally nearly barable, thats right ;) |
| 14:46.30 | Jaffa | jott: :) |
| 14:47.03 | Jaffa | jott: Presumably, worst case vapigen should be able to generate a flat, non-object oriented procedural inteface to a given library/.h file? Dunno if it does, tho' |
| 14:47.35 | jott | Jaffa: afaik the current vapigen can only use stuff it got from gobject introspection |
| 14:49.33 | Jaffa | jott: ew. I hadn't looked at it but assumed it went from the .h files. |
| 14:49.53 | Jaffa | ...but the manpage concurs with you (not that I doubted you ;-)) |
| 14:49.56 | jott | and parsing .h for generating an api is not necessarily an easy task if you consider #defines and #ifdefs which many classical libs use pretty heavily ;) |
| 14:50.13 | derf | Parsing .h files is as hard as parsing C, in general. |
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| 14:50.52 | Jaffa | jott/derf: true |
| 14:50.57 | derf | (which is, fortunately, nowhere near as difficult as parsing C++) |
| 14:51.21 | Jaffa | Must be possible to do *something* with the .h files and/or symbol inspection of the .so files |
| 14:52.13 | derf | Symbol introspection is fairly useless, since it doesn't give you arguments or return values, and may not cover inline functions. |
| 14:52.47 | Xamusk | how do I get root in a terminal inside the tablet? |
| 14:52.50 | Jaffa | Hmm. Any intermediate form from gcc which could help? i.e. post the post-processor stage etc. |
| 14:52.55 | lardman | wonders if he could use the Java Language Conversion Assistant to convert ZXing into something Vala-like |
| 14:52.59 | jott | ~easyroot |
| 14:52.59 | infobot | from memory, easyroot is an easy way to get root access on OS2008 and can be found at http://nitapps.com |
| 14:53.09 | Jaffa | Xamusk: what infobot just said |
| 14:53.18 | Jaffa | See also http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access |
| 14:53.38 | derf | Jaffa: I really think the correct thing to do is write a C parser. |
| 14:53.49 | derf | I mean, it's not like you have to write a whole _compiler_. |
| 14:54.02 | derf | Writing a parser for C is a pretty standard compilers course exercise. |
| 14:55.09 | lcuk | jott/jaffa - is it possible to create bindings for libraries by parsing the .h files. as i recall thats the "standard" way to generate headers and linking for every language |
| 14:55.16 | Jaffa | 's been writing 4GL parsers at work, writing a C parser when there's one in gcc seems a little... wasteful. |
| 14:55.18 | lcuk | all it takes is someone taking a bit of time at first |
| 14:55.45 | konttori | lcuk: Sorry, had to take dinner. Yeah, I watched quite a few videos on the plane and listened to music on the plane and on the beach from my tablet. Had 16 gigs of stuff in there. |
| 14:55.47 | jott | lcuk: i never said it was impossible, just work that has to be done. ;) |
| 14:55.49 | lcuk | lol @ my scrollback being slow.. |
| 14:56.10 | lcuk | konttori, i never took my tablet on the beach - i didnt want sand in the slider |
| 14:56.25 | lcuk | jott :) always work to be done |
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| 14:57.02 | jott | but i want it now! without work!111 |
| 14:57.54 | konttori | lcuk: do you mean the berlin summit in september. Yeah, I hope to be able to get there. I was told just before my vacation that I might also be needed in akademy. So, depending if I need to go there (and for how long), I might or might not be able to come to berlin. |
| 14:59.28 | konttori | lcuk: well, I was mostly on grass of by the pool, so the sand was not an issue. |
| 14:59.45 | konttori | but it was my personal special version, so I really wanted to take care of it as well |
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| 15:04.36 | konttori | qwerty12: I just read your post on matchbox - very cool stuff. kudos! http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18920 |
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| 15:06.26 | qwerty12 | konttori, thanks :) |
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| 15:08.37 | konttori | so, with DIALOGMODE=const-horiz , dialogs are full width all the time? |
| 15:08.48 | konttori | should be very usefull |
| 15:09.31 | snowmoon-work | anyone have a diablo kernel source tree handy? could you see if include/asm-arm/futex.h has the function futex_atomic_cmpxchg_inatomic |
| 15:09.54 | qwerty12 | konttori, Yes :). I actually prefer the "free" mode but it seems to put dialog boxes off the screen. I should take a look into the code sometime :? |
| 15:09.57 | qwerty12 | *:/ |
| 15:10.09 | Xamusk | Isn't there a serial module for pymaemo? |
| 15:10.12 | qwerty12 | snowmoon-work, I think I've got it, i'll take a look |
| 15:10.55 | snowmoon-work | qwerty12: thanks, it's not in the mainline until 2.6.22, but I want to see if they backported it |
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| 15:11.41 | qwerty12 | Well, I thought I had it, but it's only a 45sec download :) |
| 15:12.09 | qwerty12 | btw, are you Brontide of itt? |
| 15:12.14 | snowmoon-work | qwerty12: yep |
| 15:12.17 | qwerty12 | Cool :) |
| 15:12.40 | snowmoon-work | I'm looking at the modest battery drain issue and the whole futex thing strucka chord |
| 15:13.30 | snowmoon-work | if they didn't backport the function ( and associated helper functions ) it can easily lead to a futex + segfault = FAIL situation |
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| 15:14.33 | qwerty12 | snowmoon-work, http://slexy.org/view/s216exSepG :) |
| 15:14.49 | snowmoon-work | Yep... bingo |
| 15:15.00 | qwerty12 | (include/asm-arm/futex.h just takes me to asm-generic/futex.h which does have the futex_atomic_cmpxchg_inatomic) |
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| 15:15.22 | snowmoon-work | But it's returning ENOSYS |
| 15:15.30 | snowmoon-work | as in it's not implemented, just as bad |
| 15:15.39 | konttori | qwerty12: Have you found any other interesting hacks (like how to get the application list to display more items at a time)? |
| 15:16.05 | crashanddie | qwerty12 !! |
| 15:16.16 | konttori | qwerty12: Do you know if there is already an 'easy-mouse-support' deb available? |
| 15:16.16 | crashanddie | shit |
| 15:16.23 | crashanddie | I had something to say to you, but I can't remember what |
| 15:16.34 | qwerty12 | konttori, no :(. I'm looking into getting the statusbar to show more applets but my very tiny C skills fail me :) |
| 15:16.42 | qwerty12 | konttori, yeah, give me a sec :) |
| 15:16.56 | qwerty12 | crashanddie, you would send me green for using slexy? :P |
| 15:17.08 | crashanddie | no, that was for GA :D |
| 15:17.18 | snowmoon-work | qwerty12: just for completeness could you confirm sys_set_robust_list is not there or ENOSYS as well? |
| 15:17.26 | qwerty12 | crashanddie, Not green as in dollars ;) |
| 15:17.34 | crashanddie | heh |
| 15:17.35 | crashanddie | again |
| 15:17.39 | crashanddie | I'm not sending green to anyone |
| 15:17.39 | konttori | does anyone know if there is an easy way to set the background image of desktop (from command line) |
| 15:17.52 | qwerty12 | snowmoon-work, sys_set_robust_list not found :( |
| 15:18.02 | qwerty12 | (unless that's a good thing :)) |
| 15:18.13 | snowmoon-work | qwerty12: thanks, that confirms my suspicion |
| 15:18.56 | snowmoon-work | qwerty12: that function sys_set_robust_list might be somewhere else in the source tree, not necessarly that file |
| 15:19.28 | qwerty12 | konttori, http://www.electronicproductonline.com/catalog/supportFiles/dbus-scripts_1.0.3_armel.deb & http://www.electronicproductonline.com/catalog/supportFiles/usbMouse_0.1.2_armel.deb |
| 15:19.44 | qwerty12 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15111&highlight=mouse&page=2 - from there |
| 15:19.49 | konttori | so, that also contains the cursors? |
| 15:20.19 | qwerty12 | Yes, it automatically enables the cursors to show when a mouse is connected iirc (never used a mouse though) |
| 15:20.27 | qwerty12 | snowmoon-work, good point, I'll try searching |
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| 15:20.39 | snowmoon-work | you're the best |
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| 15:20.48 | snowmoon-work | I don't have a handy scratchbox |
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| 15:23.11 | qwerty12 | Ok, sys_set_robust_list isn't in the asm-generic folder where futex_atomic_cmpxchg_inatomic can be found, I'll try searching more |
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| 15:25.27 | snowmoon-work | the function should be in there somewhere, possibly once per arch |
| 15:26.15 | qwerty12 | I've got this so far, anything standing out? http://slexy.org/view/s20HR4UUx2 |
| 15:26.57 | Raytray | In powerlaunch, what is a softpoweroff? |
| 15:29.21 | snowmoon-work | qwerty12: yeah, kernel/futex.c is the one I'm looking for |
| 15:30.40 | qwerty12 | snowmoon-work, http://slexy.org/view/s20NJPEOjd |
| 15:31.21 | qwerty12 | Oops, ignore the sys_get_robust_list bit, didn't realise that was a "g" :) |
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| 15:35.00 | snowmoon-work | that's fine... I'm confused and that might be ok.. since sys_[gs]et_robust_list should not be implemented before futex_atomic_cmpxchg_inatomic... could you paste the few lines around sys_set_robust_list in arch/arm/kernel/calls.S |
| 15:36.12 | qwerty12 | Sure, http://slexy.org/view/s20iPW0WZx |
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| 15:45.22 | skibur | icewm stays at the "tree picture with the debian logo." Is there something wrong? Using qole debian chroot |
| 15:45.26 | lcuk | konttori, "personal special version" intruiging... |
| 15:45.50 | lcuk | do you have foldout speakers and a mixing deck? |
| 15:46.58 | lcuk | ~lart work |
| 15:46.58 | infobot | sends a legion of lawyers after work's head |
| 15:46.59 | lcuk | back later |
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| 15:50.37 | skibur | anybody? |
| 15:52.23 | konttori | lcuk: I just have 8 gb internal drive |
| 15:52.29 | konttori | so, nothing too special |
| 15:52.55 | konttori | I was testing out the eee pc 900 in KL. Really nice pc. |
| 15:53.12 | konttori | too short battery life, but otherwise remarkable. |
| 15:53.20 | crashanddie | atom solves that problem |
| 15:53.26 | crashanddie | double sized battery |
| 15:53.31 | crashanddie | lower power consumption |
| 15:53.40 | crashanddie | but I wouldn't get an eeepc just yet |
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| 16:04.10 | WorkingOnWise | is there a full firefox port yet for either flavor of the 2008 OS? |
| 16:04.41 | johnx | there's fennec and minefield |
| 16:05.18 | johnx | what are you looking for in ff3 that's not in microb? |
| 16:06.06 | MangoFusion | would be nice if there was a proper webkit browser ported. i wanna see some crazy css transitions, damnit! |
| 16:06.12 | WorkingOnWise | sites to work. There ar e2 sites I need that work in every full browser in existance except microb |
| 16:06.45 | WorkingOnWise | by full I mean non-mobileized |
| 16:06.45 | johnx | MangoFusion, look at midori |
| 16:07.13 | MangoFusion | i tried midori. not quite a "proper webkit browser" imo though ;) |
| 16:07.16 | johnx | WorkingOnWise, microb uses the ff3 rendering engine... |
| 16:07.24 | johnx | MangoFusion, what's missing? |
| 16:07.44 | konttori | midori is also quite old |
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| 16:07.54 | WorkingOnWise | i know but somehow, Nokia still hosed something getting it onto the IT |
| 16:08.06 | MangoFusion | the interface was quirky. it's an old webkit build. and not all webkit features are compiled in |
| 16:08.06 | johnx | there was a release like a month ago, should be easy to compile |
| 16:08.18 | johnx | qwerty12, did you try building microb svn? if so, what problems did you run into? |
| 16:08.21 | konttori | use minefield if you want full firefox. |
| 16:08.38 | konttori | or, use prism and make that site that you need, an application on the device |
| 16:08.49 | konttori | quite likes the prism approach. |
| 16:08.50 | johnx | MangoFusion, I recall using it with a newer version of libwebkit |
| 16:08.53 | qwerty12 | johnx, Some patches wouldn't apply and some other various problems. I fixed them and I was left some empty debs. |
| 16:09.12 | lcuk | crashanddie, got first serious bug report today about liqbase. the user was nice enough to include images of steps (I asked him to tell me what happened) and because of the inability to screenshot the overlay he did something cool to workround it |
| 16:09.13 | WorkingOnWise | konttori: I love prism. theres a port nor for 2008? |
| 16:09.25 | lcuk | he put his 810 in the scanner and sent me slides from there! :D |
| 16:09.26 | konttori | there is port for 2008 |
| 16:09.55 | qwerty12 | lcuk, holy crap, tell him to come back to this century! |
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| 16:10.26 | lcuk | lol - it fluffin worked, all those times ive seen the joke about photocopying whats on the screen (with big monitor on the photocopy machine) |
| 16:10.33 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, you can't really get screenshots of xv. |
| 16:10.40 | qwerty12 | I know ;) |
| 16:10.44 | qwerty12 | I was taking the pee :) |
| 16:10.46 | lcuk | you will be able to soon :) |
| 16:10.54 | lcuk | needs some |
| 16:11.08 | snowmoon-work | qwerty12: thanks again... I've updated the bug with the information. The backport looks like it should be trivial |
| 16:11.14 | lcuk | i was just impressed at his inginuity |
| 16:11.23 | lardman | lcuk: can't you simply read the framebuffer into a file? |
| 16:11.34 | qwerty12 | (/dev/fb2 iirc) |
| 16:11.38 | lcuk | back soon shit |
| 16:11.53 | lardman | qwerty12: I reckon he's talking to you ;D |
| 16:12.10 | qwerty12 | snowmoon-work, great, thanks, sounds like this could be beneficial :) |
| 16:12.13 | lardman | I hope he's not talking to me anyway! |
| 16:12.21 | qwerty12 | lardman, :P |
| 16:12.54 | qwerty12 | Nah, he'd be saying Big Shit then :P |
| 16:12.57 | lardman | got to go, fix front door handle :( |
| 16:13.14 | konttori | crashanddie: true, the upcoming products (eee) look very intriguing indeed. |
| 16:14.31 | crashanddie | lcuk, he really wanted you to get the bug report eh |
| 16:14.45 | crashanddie | konttori, not only that, but more than anything, the atom CPU is brand new |
| 16:14.51 | crashanddie | thus, extremely problem prone |
| 16:15.48 | konttori | well, I don't think intel will launch buggy processors. |
| 16:16.12 | crashanddie | not buggy per se |
| 16:16.18 | crashanddie | but as with all new generation of hardware |
| 16:16.21 | crashanddie | better safe than sorry |
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| 16:16.42 | Jaffa | konttori: prism still seems like a problem looking for a solution, and a jump aboard the desktop-webapps bandwagon (Flex, Silverlight, JavaFX, Java 6u10/7) - but no more useful in the pure-web world of Firefox than a bookmark. |
| 16:16.52 | GeneralAntilles | Intel HAS launched buggy processors. |
| 16:17.15 | crashanddie | the M was a dramatic experience |
| 16:17.20 | Kegetys | theres bug in propably all processors today |
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| 16:17.32 | konttori | Jaffa: true |
| 16:17.56 | Kegetys | bugs |
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| 16:18.21 | qwerty12 | lcuk, btw, how did the deb packaging go? |
| 16:18.37 | snowmoon-work | anyone have the link handy which listed the package version upgraded/replaced between chinook and diablo? |
| 16:19.08 | qwerty12 | snowmoon-work, http://repository.maemo.org/stable/diablo/ - I presume you want 4.1_vs_4.0.1_content_changes.html and 4.1_vs_4.0.1_content_comparison.html |
| 16:19.10 | qwerty12 | afaik |
| 16:19.24 | qwerty12 | Oh, they are same file :) |
| 16:19.38 | snowmoon-work | yep, that was the one |
| 16:21.02 | lcuk | qwerty, it didnt yet, crashanddie yes he did, and it worked, lardman|gone i could but thats not a file formatand ill just find something which works tonight |
| 16:21.13 | lcuk | back again later (and no i was saying shit about work) |
| 16:21.14 | Xamusk | I'm having something strange with my net connection |
| 16:21.25 | Xamusk | some stuff work but some don't |
| 16:21.31 | Jaffa | konttori: I'd like for it to be dead exciting and a gateway to offline usage and so on, but it doesn't seem to give me anything apart from site-specific CSS and favicon... unless I've missed something on the roadmap. |
| 16:21.31 | crashanddie | lcuk, hard time keeping up answering to everyone ? :P |
| 16:21.41 | Xamusk | apt-get and wget do work, but easy_install doesn't |
| 16:22.00 | Xamusk | also, the browser won't even start |
| 16:22.01 | konttori | Jaffa: might be targeted for googlegears kind of usage |
| 16:22.07 | Xamusk | I mean, in the SDK |
| 16:22.12 | konttori | as, for that, it should be quite nice idea |
| 16:22.58 | konttori | so, as to use browser provided sqlite and dhtml and javascript to actually make applications. |
| 16:23.24 | konttori | for me, it sounds like it has potential, just needs a bit push. |
| 16:24.00 | konttori | also, might work rather ok with flash front-ends as well. |
| 16:24.15 | Xamusk | easy_install-2.5 gives me this error: Download error: (-3, 'Temporary failure in name resolution') -- Some packages may not be found! |
| 16:24.18 | lcuk | no crashanddie, but it feels like im running down a corridor shouting into everyones office |
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| 16:24.56 | crashanddie | lcuk, nice way of keeping fit |
| 16:25.09 | GeneralAntilles | strings a rope across the hall at about ankle level. |
| 16:25.50 | lcuk | leaps the rope and whilst grabbing for the lightshade swings round and boots GeneralAntilles in the head |
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| 16:26.57 | lcuk | climbs back down ties GeneralAntilles's shoelaces together and shoves an angry ferret in his shirt |
| 16:27.36 | GeneralAntilles | Garage releases are such a pain. |
| 16:27.40 | lcuk | anyway, enough violence for one day ive got work to finish here :D |
| 16:27.43 | crashanddie | comes along, being bossy and all that, "BIRKETT ! HAVEN'T GOT ANYTHING ELSE TO DO ?" |
| 16:27.45 | Xamusk | didn't Chinhook have an avahi implementation? |
| 16:27.56 | GeneralAntilles | Not bundled |
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| 16:28.10 | GeneralAntilles | Install the rendezvous support package. |
| 16:28.12 | Xamusk | I mean, at least it was installable... but I can't find it in Diablo |
| 16:28.43 | GeneralAntilles | Just add Chinook Extras to your catalog list. |
| 16:29.28 | Xamusk | can Diablo install Chinook packages without much dependency problems? |
| 16:29.36 | GeneralAntilles | Sure |
| 16:29.41 | GeneralAntilles | The only major library change was libssl. |
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| 16:29.50 | GeneralAntilles | Otherwise it's 99% compatible. |
| 16:29.54 | lcuk | crashanddie, you arent on the summit list again |
| 16:29.56 | skibur | my icewm will not boot right |
| 16:30.06 | lcuk | and thats Mr Birkett to you |
| 16:30.08 | crashanddie | lcuk, yeah, I figured it might happen |
| 16:30.19 | konttori | lcuk: out of topic: did you guys get the yuv based framebuffer blitting working? |
| 16:30.27 | konttori | (for all X apps) |
| 16:30.29 | Jaffa | eh? The number of participants has dropped. Does someone not like crashanddie? |
| 16:30.32 | lcuk | it was never not working :) |
| 16:30.56 | crashanddie | Jaffa, people who don't get the sponsorship are removed from the list (considering that, if they ask for the sponsorship, they shouldn't be able to come) |
| 16:30.58 | Jaffa | Only 24 registrations. Even with the promise of Fremantle teasers <sniff/> |
| 16:31.01 | lcuk | ahhhh - no - not looked at replacing and doing a direct x11 driver |
| 16:31.24 | Jaffa | crashanddie: ah, so your sponsorship was declined? :( |
| 16:31.25 | lcuk | back later |
| 16:31.29 | crashanddie | Jaffa, yeah |
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| 16:32.06 | Jaffa | crashanddie: bummer |
| 16:32.12 | crashanddie | Jaffa, I haven't done enough for Maemo in the past, and my work doesn't appear to be promising enough to entitle me for the sponsorship |
| 16:32.21 | crashanddie | Jaffa, not a problem though, I'll be at the summit any how :P |
| 16:32.33 | churl | Question: how likely/unlikely is it that i could ever get an exe file to work on my n800? |
| 16:32.38 | GeneralAntilles | Hahaha |
| 16:32.43 | crashanddie | churl, very unlikely |
| 16:32.48 | churl | thought so |
| 16:32.58 | GeneralAntilles | DOSBox. . . . |
| 16:33.00 | churl | but it's so tiny! |
| 16:33.02 | konttori | crashanddie: what are you working on at the moment. |
| 16:33.05 | GeneralAntilles | Otherwise it's a fairly inane question. |
| 16:33.15 | churl | yeah, i had to ask |
| 16:33.37 | churl | thanks anyways ga |
| 16:33.51 | konttori | what kind of fremantle teaser has been promised? Screenshots? |
| 16:34.17 | crashanddie | konttori, at this very moment ? My 500th line of PHP of the day |
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| 16:34.23 | crashanddie | and I'm taking off, cheers |
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| 16:34.53 | Jaffa | konttori: nothing concrete |
| 16:35.01 | Jaffa | konttori: fancy sharing some screenshots? ;-) |
| 16:35.09 | GeneralAntilles | Well, the PowerVR stuff has definitely been promised. |
| 16:35.11 | darkterror46 | bye |
| 16:35.20 | GeneralAntilles | What exactly that'll entail, who knows, but it's a decently strong indicator. |
| 16:35.22 | konttori | :) Well, I'm on vacation, so I don't even have access to any shots. |
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| 16:37.31 | GeneralAntilles | 400 character limit on the Downloads change log is really painful. |
| 16:38.16 | johnx | woo! creative abbreviations |
| 16:38.55 | johnx | who needs wasteful spaces anyways |
| 16:39.11 | darkterror46 | :) |
| 16:39.42 | johnx | peoplewillstillunderstandyouevenwithoutspaces |
| 16:39.52 | GeneralAntilles | CamelCase! |
| 16:40.13 | darkterror46 | kê??? |
| 16:40.20 | towo | Mhhm, web-based ssh keygen. |
| 16:40.25 | konttori | GeneralAntilles: they actually promised PowerVR stuff? For the n810? Or what? |
| 16:41.03 | Jaffa | towo: yeah, I saw that. Crazy. |
| 16:41.11 | GeneralAntilles | konttori, https://wiki.maemo.org/Questions_for_Nokia#Hardware_support_questions |
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| 16:42.20 | konttori | so, there will just be an answer whether we can get the drivers or not. |
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| 16:43.15 | johnx | judging from this bug the answer is no: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1028 |
| 16:43.17 | konttori | BTW: agps issue seems to be solved. |
| 16:43.27 | konttori | as it is available now |
| 16:43.30 | GeneralAntilles | Well, based on some of the talk from LinuxTag, and some of the stuff Quim's said elsewhere, I don't think the answer will relate to OMAP2 stuff. |
| 16:44.04 | johnx | I think we can safely assume Nokia will definitely not provide 3D drivers for the N8x0 |
| 16:44.39 | towo | Jaffa: Quite a nice hoax, actually. |
| 16:44.53 | towo | So, Nokia has been hogging my N810 for six weeks now. |
| 16:45.04 | towo | Anybody still in for the return date pool? ;) |
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| 16:52.03 | GNUton | Hi there |
| 16:52.48 | MangoFusion | GeneralAntilles: 400 character limit? You've obviously not used Twitter then ;) |
| 16:52.57 | GeneralAntilles | Screw Twitter. |
| 16:53.00 | GeneralAntilles | Who cares about that shit? :P |
| 16:53.24 | qwerty12 | :D. I only made an account to test out that twitter client I packaged :/ |
| 16:54.41 | MangoFusion | i made an account, but i've not quite gotten in tune with it yet. haha |
| 16:54.56 | qwerty12 | Someone break into garage and go here: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/dsm/ :( |
| 16:55.07 | zap | bdsm? |
| 16:55.14 | forge | :p |
| 16:55.17 | qwerty12 | feeling horny? |
| 16:55.19 | towo | OUT. |
| 16:55.22 | towo | My brain! |
| 16:56.00 | zap | qwerty12: sometimes when looking at debian/rules I feel like watching bdsm |
| 16:56.25 | qwerty12 | hehe |
| 16:57.29 | konttori | johnx: yeah, based on daniels comment, it does sound like it's not going to happen for n810. |
| 16:59.07 | zap | but given the fact that there's no definite 'no' I can guess that it'll be in N900 |
| 16:59.54 | zap | and we, today happy owners of N8xx, tomorrow will be like the owners of N770 today :-P |
| 17:00.15 | johnx | only if we give up developing |
| 17:00.34 | zap | you can't develop a PowerVR driver without even having the chip specs |
| 17:00.44 | Xamusk | talking about developing, I'm having troubles installing some python stuff |
| 17:00.53 | Xamusk | actually using easy-install-2.5 |
| 17:00.57 | Xamusk | in the SDK |
| 17:01.06 | johnx | Xamusk, any other DNS problems? |
| 17:01.08 | johnx | try wget |
| 17:01.13 | Xamusk | wget works |
| 17:01.31 | johnx | zap, I didn't mean the 3D driver. development has stopped for the 770, but it doesn't have to be that way for the n8x0 |
| 17:02.09 | zap | johnx: well, most active developers will be eager to buy a N8xx |
| 17:02.10 | zap | :) |
| 17:02.23 | Xamusk | but I wouldn't know how to install the packages manually |
| 17:02.53 | johnx | Xamusk, I was just asking to see if the DNS problem was just easy-install or other things too |
| 17:03.01 | johnx | anyways, I'm off to bed now |
| 17:03.04 | johnx | 'night all |
| 17:03.05 | Xamusk | no, apt-get and wget work |
| 17:03.18 | qwerty12 | night johnx |
| 17:03.24 | konttori | Might also be that applications can remain compatible between n810 and n900 (or whatever) |
| 17:03.50 | GeneralAntilles | We better be getting a Fremantle release for the N8x0 |
| 17:03.56 | darkterror46 | bay all |
| 17:04.07 | konttori | as there is supposed to be gtk, then it's safe to assume that there would not be that much standing in between having easily compilable versions for n810 and n900 of the same app |
| 17:04.32 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia already screwed up with the 770 once, if they do it again after specifically stating that every hardware release will get two software cycles. . . . |
| 17:04.37 | konttori | GeneralAntilles: have you risen that as a question for the summit? |
| 17:05.05 | GeneralAntilles | konttori, no, seeing as how it was something that I pretty much assumed would be true. |
| 17:05.21 | zap | wonders how much more developers got N8xx compared to N7xx |
| 17:05.28 | GeneralAntilles | A lot |
| 17:05.29 | konttori | Ah. ok, good. I just assumed you were nervous. |
| 17:05.45 | GeneralAntilles | This made me a little nervous: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21717 |
| 17:05.46 | Knirch | zap: (*psst* it's 770, not N770) |
| 17:05.52 | GeneralAntilles | But I haven't listed to the audio yet. |
| 17:05.54 | konttori | if nothing else, n810 had a lot more mem. |
| 17:06.05 | zap | Knirch: I'm sorry I offended your 770 :-P |
| 17:06.12 | konttori | so, many apps that needed a lot of mem wouldn't run on 770 |
| 17:06.25 | Knirch | slap: no worries |
| 17:06.35 | zap | I hope N900 will get at least 256Mb RAM :) |
| 17:06.38 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 17:06.48 | GeneralAntilles | 256MB would put us over the threshold, I think. |
| 17:06.54 | GeneralAntilles | 512MB would be even better |
| 17:06.55 | GeneralAntilles | but is unlikely |
| 17:06.56 | konttori | well, nothing is certain until it has been stated so. |
| 17:07.05 | GeneralAntilles | especially considering that ever other OMAP3 device out there is 128MB. |
| 17:07.14 | GeneralAntilles | s/ever/every/ |
| 17:08.34 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.archive.org/details/MaemoBogAtGuadec2008 |
| 17:13.07 | GeneralAntilles | konttori, that talk also seems to hint at more Fremantle stuff during the summit. |
| 17:13.43 | konttori | I have to listen to it |
| 17:13.47 | konttori | thanks |
| 17:13.58 | konttori | quim is such an excellent guy |
| 17:15.01 | qwerty12 | rm_you, if you ever catch this message, in the next deb that is uploaded to extras, mind removing the .svn folders from \usr\share\icons\hicolor\40x40\apps\adv-backlight\ :) |
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| 17:17.24 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, compatability is such a misnomer. look at the problems migrating from chinook to diablo |
| 17:17.35 | GeneralAntilles | Eh, not many. |
| 17:17.44 | GeneralAntilles | Mostly the issue was Diablo Extras not being populated. . . . |
| 17:17.50 | lcuk | what - being left with no extras |
| 17:18.05 | GeneralAntilles | But you can using Chinook Extras without issue |
| 17:18.09 | GeneralAntilles | So that's pretty compatible. ;) |
| 17:18.36 | lcuk | but i wonder how you can improve things drastically and expect all older hardware to run |
| 17:18.42 | lcuk | things well |
| 17:20.03 | lcuk | we *know* qt is coming down the line. we *know* its pretty incompatible with current devices. we can either push the future and rave about omap 76 this and power that but there has to be casualties somewhere |
| 17:20.13 | Xamusk | apparently the SDK isn't recognizing the internet connection |
| 17:20.53 | lcuk | having said that, in the same way there is a market still for lower spec phones, there will be a lasting market for 8x0 |
| 17:20.54 | GeneralAntilles | Qt is incompatible with current devices? |
| 17:21.13 | GeneralAntilles | Qt is AVAILABLE for current devices. |
| 17:21.13 | lcuk | qt at full tilt is pretty hardware intensive isnt it? |
| 17:21.19 | GeneralAntilles | Er |
| 17:21.25 | GeneralAntilles | Qt is just a GUI toolkit |
| 17:21.27 | lcuk | i know its available - why havent we seen any of the whizz bang items then? |
| 17:21.33 | lcuk | yer, but a heavy one |
| 17:21.35 | GeneralAntilles | What whizzbang? |
| 17:21.38 | GeneralAntilles | Uh |
| 17:22.28 | konttori | qt4 runs quite well on the device. |
| 17:22.46 | GeneralAntilles | Heck, Qt apps feel snappier than GTK ones to me. |
| 17:22.50 | konttori | it's missing some hildonization (like putting the menu to the right place - and fullscreen support) |
| 17:22.53 | lcuk | when we were at ltag trolltech were showing off some extremely fancy 3d stuff |
| 17:22.58 | konttori | but otherwise they seem really nice. |
| 17:23.10 | konttori | python bindings work really well too. |
| 17:23.12 | GeneralAntilles | That doesn't have a whole lot to do with the GUI toolkit. |
| 17:23.34 | Xamusk | the only reason I don't like Qt is their licensing |
| 17:23.34 | konttori | maybe the qt guys should also run the python bindings to be in the same package. |
| 17:23.36 | konttori | they rock. |
| 17:23.39 | lcuk | ok, so we are ok running "simple" qt apps |
| 17:24.01 | GeneralAntilles | We aren't running Compiz. ;) |
| 17:24.03 | lcuk | mind you, im just going off what ive heard. i shall make myself more informed |
| 17:24.05 | konttori | I would say that you can run as complex apps as you want |
| 17:24.39 | konttori | you can install the full kde and then run any of the kde apps in maemo as well. (without having the kde running) |
| 17:25.16 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, fancy interface effects don't have a lot to do with the GUI toolkit. |
| 17:25.21 | lcuk | but apps not designed for the platform suck eggs |
| 17:25.42 | lcuk | squashing a big monolithic desktop app into a constricted device feels wrong |
| 17:26.02 | GeneralAntilles | Nice to have the option, though. :D |
| 17:26.02 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, i agree, but the whole point of using qt is that you can use the fancy effects |
| 17:26.08 | GeneralAntilles | Er, no. |
| 17:27.00 | GeneralAntilles | The point of using Qt is usually one of person preference. ;) |
| 17:28.27 | lcuk | hmmm, right ive just been to www.qt-apps.org (after doing a google search for qt) |
| 17:28.36 | GeneralAntilles | and the point of Nokia using Qt seems to be compatibility between S60 and Maemo. |
| 17:28.47 | qwerty12 | S60 uses Qt? |
| 17:28.50 | Xamusk | huh, in my tablet, easy_install-2.5 is working, but not in the SDK, because it isn't recognizing the net connection |
| 17:28.53 | GeneralAntilles | Not yet. |
| 17:28.54 | lcuk | im looking on their popular list and i see a qt widget called pictureflow |
| 17:28.57 | GeneralAntilles | But moving forward, qwerty12. |
| 17:29.02 | lcuk | its in the top 3 |
| 17:29.03 | qwerty12 | Ah |
| 17:29.25 | lcuk | would that work well and show off our device to full potential? |
| 17:29.48 | Xamusk | GeneralAntilles, do you know if Nokia will release Qt as LGPL now that it's acquired Trolltech? |
| 17:29.54 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 17:30.04 | GeneralAntilles | I don't think Nokia has figured out all the licensing yet. |
| 17:30.36 | Xamusk | huh, ping won't work either |
| 17:30.58 | Xamusk | somehow apt-get and wget are using the pc connection, but other stuff won't |
| 17:31.45 | Xamusk | man, this scratchbox is a mess |
| 17:31.56 | melmoth | sounds like the regular scratchox resolve.onf thingy |
| 17:32.09 | Xamusk | I think sometimes it's calling the host programs |
| 17:32.19 | Xamusk | melmoth, ping won't ping IP's either |
| 17:32.38 | melmoth | that does not sounds like the regular scratchbox resolv.conf thingy :) |
| 17:32.41 | Xamusk | ping 192.168.3.1 |
| 17:32.41 | Xamusk | ping: icmp open socket: Operation not permitted |
| 17:32.56 | AStorm | Xamusk: need root for that, or suid-root that ping exec |
| 17:33.11 | Xamusk | I'm still struggling to get root in the sdk |
| 17:33.17 | melmoth | you cannot |
| 17:33.22 | melmoth | you use fakeroot |
| 17:33.25 | AStorm | mhm |
| 17:33.30 | AStorm | no pinging from inside |
| 17:33.48 | Xamusk | fakeroot ping 192.168.3.1 gives the same error |
| 17:34.03 | melmoth | why would ping not be allowed to regular user ? |
| 17:34.25 | AStorm | melmoth: because it requires raw packets |
| 17:34.39 | AStorm | and these allow you to make wonderful/crazy things with network |
| 17:34.41 | AStorm | like, haxx |
| 17:34.54 | AStorm | arp spoofing, dns poisoning, such funny stuff |
| 17:35.05 | melmoth | OMG my ping is setuid root :) |
| 17:35.43 | Xamusk | fakeroot easy_install-2.5 pyserial won't work either |
| 17:36.40 | Xamusk | ok, now it did... the resolv.conf thingy :) |
| 17:37.02 | MangoFusion | makes me wonder why on earth it's all so complicated |
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| 17:37.27 | Xamusk | indeed |
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| 17:38.58 | Xamusk | it's disencouraging for the task I have ahead of me |
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| 17:40.19 | Xamusk | well, everything starts with the first step... where's that python-cairo tutorial again? :D |
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| 18:05.10 | cjohnson | rtcomm, with the account-plugin-haze package installed, will not get any of my contacts from the server (YIM, AIM, or MSN). What do I need to do to get it to download them? |
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| 18:40.37 | konttori | lcuk: there is only qgraphicsview in qt that allows any interesting effects to be done. Otherwise qt is pretty on par with gtk (but obviously, the licensing is from nokia perspective really nice) |
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| 18:41.29 | konttori | and at the current level, I find the qgv a bit lacking in performance (when I've been running some code on the qt4 port that's available in garage). |
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| 18:41.51 | lcuk | what a cool time to return, thanks konttori i think all this discussion earlier will make me look more |
| 18:41.53 | konttori | same thing if I run on my mac mini. |
| 18:42.24 | konttori | on mac mini, I can of course run opengl accelerated, so that makes a big difference on the performance levels. |
| 18:42.50 | lcuk | konttori, i wonder if an "alternative" backend could be made for qt |
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| 18:43.19 | konttori | sure, it's really easy to write alternative backend for the qgv. |
| 18:43.30 | lcuk | yer thats what i was thinking |
| 18:43.54 | konttori | you basically just have to implement routines for drawing line, spline, pixmap, and so on. it's all nicely documented. |
| 18:44.15 | lcuk | but family needs first, ill no doubt speak with you again |
| 18:44.41 | JamieBennett | lcuk Are you at the summit? |
| 18:44.46 | lcuk | and sorry for vanishing - had to go drop off eldest |
| 18:44.50 | lcuk | i will be |
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| 18:45.11 | JamieBennett | Be good to meet a fellow brit! I'll buy you a beer :) |
| 18:45.21 | lcuk_away | there will be lots of us there |
| 18:45.25 | penguinbait | pints all around |
| 18:45.26 | lcuk_away | back sooooooooooooooon |
| 18:45.30 | JamieBennett | @D |
| 18:45.33 | JamieBennett | :D |
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| 18:45.59 | JamieBennett | penguinbait your not a brit also are you? |
| 18:46.13 | penguinbait | its "youngs luxury double chocalate stout" |
| 18:46.15 | penguinbait | mmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 18:46.17 | penguinbait | no |
| 18:46.28 | JamieBennett | you don't count then ;) |
| 18:46.29 | penguinbait | just drink like one occaisionally :) |
| 18:46.37 | penguinbait | ah cmon |
| 18:46.45 | JamieBennett | should be fun :D |
| 18:47.10 | GeneralAntilles | penguinbait, think you could put together a short (1-2 paragraph), easy-to-follow guide for your .debs for https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card and https://wiki.maemo.org/Partitioning_a_flash_card ? |
| 18:48.56 | penguinbait | I will see what I can do, but I am super busy at the moment |
| 18:49.14 | penguinbait | and I am leaving for vacation next Friday, hence the super busy :) |
| 18:49.18 | JamieBennett | chocolate stout drinking ;) |
| 18:49.23 | penguinbait | shhh |
| 18:49.59 | penguinbait | I will be back into the swing when I get back from vacation about 8/2 |
| 18:50.16 | JamieBennett | I'm not so sure about your choice of drink, maybe I can sway you over to a Guinness or two? |
| 18:50.27 | penguinbait | guiness, youngs, murphy's, mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 18:50.41 | MoRpHeUz | anybody willing to compile maemo-mapper to diablo ? =) |
| 18:50.48 | penguinbait | its all good, you should try it, its an english beer |
| 18:51.01 | penguinbait | yougs oatmeal is also very tasty |
| 18:51.17 | penguinbait | youngs that is |
| 18:51.49 | penguinbait | murphy's irish stout is another favorite |
| 18:52.58 | JamieBennett | Guinness all the way, Murphy's is to tame |
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| 18:53.36 | henrique | hi, any maemo-mapper developer around? |
| 18:53.37 | GeneralAntilles | MoRpHeUz, just grab it from Chinook Extras |
| 18:53.42 | penguinbait | murphy's is soooo smooth and tasty, mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 18:53.48 | GeneralAntilles | Gnuite doesn't frequent #maemo |
| 18:53.53 | GeneralAntilles | and he seems to be going inactive for a while |
| 18:53.54 | penguinbait | maemo-mapper developer = GNUITE |
| 18:54.09 | JamieBennett | penguinbait: lol :D |
| 18:54.11 | GeneralAntilles | so I'm not sure if he'll ever get around putting it through autobuilder for Diablo. . . . |
| 18:55.26 | GeneralAntilles | henrique, MoRpHeUz, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21496 |
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| 18:56.31 | GeneralAntilles | Be nice if somebody could pick up the maintenance until he gets back. |
| 18:57.54 | henrique | yes |
| 18:58.27 | dmsuperman | So my rtcomm client, using account-plugin-haze, doesn't get the contacts from the server (in AIM, YIM, or MSN). What do I have to do to get it to do that? |
| 18:58.56 | MoRpHeUz | GeneralAntilles: hhmm....yep.. |
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| 19:02.22 | ds3 | hmmmm is the RTcomm stuff for IM/SIP part of diablo? |
| 19:02.36 | GeneralAntilles | For SIP, Jabber and GTalk, yes. |
| 19:02.47 | ds3 | but not AIM/ICQ |
| 19:02.49 | ds3 | ? |
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| 19:03.47 | GeneralAntilles | Not shipped with haze |
| 19:03.50 | GeneralAntilles | but you can install the plugin |
| 19:03.57 | ds3 | 'k |
| 19:04.00 | GeneralAntilles | Either through the beta or the Collabora repository on gronmayer.com/it |
| 19:04.16 | ds3 | does diablo work with all chinook packages? |
| 19:05.19 | GeneralAntilles | 99% compatible |
| 19:05.47 | ds3 | hmmm to flash or to not flash, that is the question |
| 19:05.58 | dmsuperman | Do it |
| 19:06.00 | dmsuperman | then tell me how it went |
| 19:06.02 | dmsuperman | :D |
| 19:06.18 | ds3 | the last beta of modest I tried was horrible compared to OSSO-mail and flashing means i loose that |
| 19:06.50 | GeneralAntilles | Just compile the svn. |
| 19:07.07 | GeneralAntilles | But Modest works fine here with .mac and gmail. |
| 19:07.25 | ds3 | no point unless I can figure out what was wrong with POP3s so I can verify it was fixed |
| 19:07.39 | ds3 | Seems most people are using imap |
| 19:08.27 | dmsuperman | So my rtcomm client, using account-plugin-haze, doesn't get the contacts from the server (in AIM, YIM, or MSN). What do I have to do to get it to do that? |
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| 19:19.00 | lardman | gives praise to the N800! |
| 19:19.18 | dmsuperman | n800 ftw :D |
| 19:19.18 | JamieBennett | larman: explain :D |
| 19:19.25 | JamieBennett | lardman :P |
| 19:19.28 | dmsuperman | JamieBennett: not explanation needed |
| 19:19.35 | ds3 | the spaced out sliders on the new adv-backlight thing is great |
| 19:19.35 | dmsuperman | for this you FAIL |
| 19:19.42 | JamieBennett | :P |
| 19:19.44 | lardman | I thought I'd lost all the photos from Oz on a 2GB card, the N800 could read the card :) |
| 19:20.01 | dmsuperman | ds3: spaced out sliders? Why, you couldn't manage with 1/4 of a screen before? Y ou need 1/2 now? |
| 19:20.02 | JamieBennett | Os could a linux desktop? |
| 19:20.28 | flo_lap | re |
| 19:20.48 | lardman | Probably my desktop memory card reader is crap |
| 19:22.14 | GeneralAntilles | dmsuperman, it's an applet |
| 19:22.15 | lcuk_away | heh - a memory card reader shaped like a cowpat |
| 19:22.21 | GeneralAntilles | Why does it matter how much screen space it takes? |
| 19:22.24 | lcuk_away | it even moo's when you insert a card |
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| 19:22.30 | GeneralAntilles | More screen space == more finger friendly. |
| 19:22.32 | dmsuperman | GeneralAntilles: I don't care, I agree |
| 19:22.35 | GeneralAntilles | is so over itT. |
| 19:22.57 | lcuk_away | agreed entirely GeneralAntilles |
| 19:23.03 | lcuk_away | ooh about the finger thing |
| 19:23.04 | dmsuperman | GeneralAntilles: I'm just saying...it really wasn't hard to control before so I don't know why it's that much of an improvement |
| 19:23.08 | ds3 | dmsuperman: I like to use my fingers |
| 19:23.15 | lardman | lcuk_away: not far off! :) |
| 19:23.20 | lcuk_away | lol |
| 19:23.24 | dmsuperman | I use the back of my small finger's fingernail |
| 19:23.28 | GeneralAntilles | The depths of stupidity that keep welling up there are rather incredible. |
| 19:23.30 | dmsuperman | More than the stylus most times |
| 19:23.38 | GeneralAntilles | Suddenly it's MicroB's fault that Apple filters UAs. . . . <_< |
| 19:23.42 | ds3 | the old one made it difficult to adjust just the volume or brightness with a finger...had to use the finger nail |
| 19:23.44 | lcuk_away | GeneralAntilles, i gather it comes in waves |
| 19:23.57 | dmsuperman | ds3: ah, you like fingertips |
| 19:24.07 | dmsuperman | ds3: I hate smudges, so I just use my fingernails anyway ;) |
| 19:24.13 | ds3 | dmsuperman: I try to keep my nails cut |
| 19:24.18 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 19:24.21 | dmsuperman | ds3: that's why I flip my finger over |
| 19:24.22 | lcuk_away | ds3, have you seen my finger ui :D |
| 19:24.28 | JamieBennett | lol where is this going ? |
| 19:24.30 | ds3 | dmsuperman: I have a screen protector |
| 19:24.31 | dmsuperman | my nails are very short, I use the back of them |
| 19:24.33 | GeneralAntilles | dmsuperman, get yourself a screen protector. |
| 19:24.37 | dmsuperman | ds3: me too |
| 19:24.38 | GeneralAntilles | Really reduces the smudging. |
| 19:24.39 | dmsuperman | GeneralAntilles: got one |
| 19:24.44 | dmsuperman | I still hate smudges |
| 19:24.53 | dmsuperman | I've got one with great smudge protection |
| 19:25.00 | dmsuperman | but I'm very anal about my screens haha |
| 19:25.10 | ds3 | the N8x0 really needs a Composite out built in |
| 19:25.22 | dmsuperman | I actually use an iPhone screen protector |
| 19:25.27 | dmsuperman | I just cut off the extra button area |
| 19:25.32 | lcuk_away | the *worst* part about finger use is going back to stylus and feeling the stylus scratch its way along after catching a tiny bit of grit |
| 19:25.32 | dmsuperman | griffin makes it |
| 19:25.36 | dmsuperman | fits perfectly after I cut it |
| 19:25.48 | dmsuperman | lcuk_away: I know EXACTLY what yo umean |
| 19:25.50 | lcuk_away | well anything can be made to fit perfectly after you cut it |
| 19:25.57 | ds3 | i just use the ones for cameras from the dollar store |
| 19:26.02 | lcuk_away | i covered the back of my n810 with a plush deep pile carpet |
| 19:26.03 | stepcut | The built-in speaker on the N770 is very, very quiet when using VoIP under OS2008HE. Is there a fix for that ? |
| 19:26.05 | JamieBennett | thought you were away lcuk ;) |
| 19:26.17 | lcuk_away | i was |
| 19:26.20 | dmsuperman | JamieBennett: sshhh |
| 19:26.25 | JamieBennett | lol |
| 19:26.27 | lardman | speaking of fitting perfectly, got home to front door handle not working, and had a puncture |
| 19:26.38 | JamieBennett | :D |
| 19:26.50 | lcuk_not_away | how did your door get a puncture? |
| 19:26.58 | lardman | not funny, had to get a chap out with a long ladder to climb in the kitchen window |
| 19:27.05 | lardman | lcuk_not_away: :p |
| 19:27.12 | lcuk_not_away | jeeesus, round here one of the lcoal scallies wouldv done it for us |
| 19:27.33 | lcuk | and they wouldv nicked the ladder afterwards |
| 19:27.38 | lardman | lol, there is some scaffolding on the building, I was going to climb up and borrow a ladder |
| 19:28.03 | lcuk | heh lardman, i imagine you doin that sort of stuff all the time |
| 19:28.25 | lcuk | the amount of times you fly in and out of the chan its like you actually have a mini trampoline in your office |
| 19:28.26 | lardman | I have that dodgy look don't I! :) |
| 19:28.28 | qwerty12_N800 | superlardman? |
| 19:28.44 | dmsuperman | omg! |
| 19:28.47 | dmsuperman | it's a bird |
| 19:28.49 | dmsuperman | it's a plane! |
| 19:28.55 | lcuk | not quite, lardman reminds me of the xkcd guy |
| 19:29.02 | lcuk | with the hat |
| 19:29.09 | lardman | ? |
| 19:29.12 | lcuk | lemme find it |
| 19:29.15 | Jaffa | Bah, slow train. Stupid dead people |
| 19:29.25 | qwerty12_N800 | heh |
| 19:30.20 | lardman | aargh, why can't I download bloody maps! |
| 19:30.33 | lcuk | In the January 30, 2008 comic, his hat was taken by a woman, who is, to date, the only person ever to foil one of his schemes. On April 2, 2008, in a Russian submarine he managed to track down the woman and take his hat back.[51] As of June 6, 2008, they have entered a "relationship." |
| 19:30.40 | Knirch | because they're uncut? |
| 19:30.47 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, tie your victims to the train track you WONT be traveling on. :P |
| 19:31.42 | Jaffa | *That*'s where I've been going wrong! It's so clear to me now! |
| 19:31.57 | lardman | ah, that's better, think calm downloading thoughts... |
| 19:32.20 | lcuk | lardman, http://xkcd.com/405/ |
| 19:32.30 | dmsuperman | What's the URL to download more gigahertz for my CPU |
| 19:32.36 | dmsuperman | My PC is running bad :( |
| 19:32.48 | GeneralAntilles | Ahaha! GENIUS! http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=201435&postcount=41 |
| 19:32.55 | GeneralAntilles | MicroB updates to solve UA filtering |
| 19:32.56 | lardman | lcuk: random :) |
| 19:33.05 | GeneralAntilles | Why didn't _I_ think of that?! I could be RICH! |
| 19:34.08 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles : it should also work better when there's no network connection is there or the remote site is down or changed their content. |
| 19:34.14 | lardman | some rather demanding posts to the agps bug I see today |
| 19:34.19 | lardman | are the users rising up |
| 19:34.26 | lardman | Bastille day is approaching |
| 19:34.27 | GeneralAntilles | s/users/idiots/ |
| 19:35.15 | henrique | heh |
| 19:36.09 | melmoth | sing "ah ca ira ca ira ca ira" |
| 19:36.09 | jott | And here is a GeneralAntilles xkcd http://xkcd.com/386/ :p |
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| 19:36.18 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 19:36.34 | GeneralAntilles | So true |
| 19:36.34 | lcuk | lardman :) the entire comic is amazing if you havent read any, try a few more |
| 19:37.07 | dmsuperman | xkcd owns |
| 19:37.10 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 19:37.11 | GeneralAntilles | http://xkcd.com/150/ |
| 19:37.12 | dmsuperman | so does Ctrl Alt Del |
| 19:37.22 | GeneralAntilles | It's right up your alley, lardman. ;) |
| 19:37.24 | dmsuperman | Penny Arcade is alright |
| 19:37.32 | GeneralAntilles | Penny Arcade > Ctrl Alt Del |
| 19:37.36 | Jaffa | (Actually I've got a patent on solving the second one but it's owned by IBM, and I left) |
| 19:37.42 | dmsuperman | The XKCD about the mom next door |
| 19:37.42 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, they did that for real, or tried to - it was something like $20000 to do it |
| 19:37.45 | dmsuperman | rewriting packets real time |
| 19:37.46 | dmsuperman | is epic |
| 19:38.25 | jott | lcuk: http://blag.xkcd.com/2007/11/19/growing-up/ |
| 19:38.27 | Jaffa | econd bit; but it's owned by IBM and I left) |
| 19:38.57 | JamieBennett | jaffa was an IBM employee? |
| 19:39.06 | lcuk | :D heh jott yer - its only a tiny space though, it almost doesnt work |
| 19:39.33 | lcuk | jaffa was HAL in his last job. he would sit inside a box all day pissing off the employees |
| 19:39.49 | dmsuperman | I'm going to kill you, Dave |
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| 19:40.19 | lcuk | I'm sorry dave, I can't let you print that. |
| 19:40.29 | Jaffa | JamieBennett : yup, at Hursley |
| 19:41.04 | JamieBennett | Jaffa: ummm, Linux division or general employee? |
| 19:41.29 | Jaffa | JamieBennett : Software Group, but not Linux |
| 19:42.18 | JamieBennett | Worked with IBM for their contract with ASDA. Wasn't impressed in the slighted but I hear the Linux side of things is a little more interesting |
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| 19:43.10 | lcuk | little bobby tables :D http://xkcd.com/327/ |
| 19:43.52 | lardman | :D |
| 19:44.49 | lardman | So, how close to C# is Vala, or vice versa? |
| 19:45.23 | Jaffa | Vala looks very close to C# which is very close to Java |
| 19:45.36 | Jaffa | But I dunno C# that well |
| 19:45.41 | lardman | I see MS have a Java->C# converter |
| 19:46.03 | lardman | nor do I, but nothing like a little project to learn hey |
| 19:46.17 | jott | well c# is more of a framework with the .net stuff attached.. |
| 19:46.32 | jott | vala is just quite young ... |
| 19:46.53 | lardman | I was wondering if I could run some Java code (like ZXing) through, convert it to C# and be nearly somewhere |
| 19:47.02 | lcuk | vala has the syntax, c# has the prebuilt library support |
| 19:47.22 | lardman | can Vala talk to GStreamer yet? |
| 19:47.32 | jott | yeah should work |
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| 19:47.54 | zap | Vala compiles to bytecode? |
| 19:48.11 | lardman | native code I thought? |
| 19:48.15 | jott | lardman: http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/vala/trunk/vapi/ |
| 19:48.22 | jott | vala converts to c |
| 19:48.27 | lardman | jott: thanks |
| 19:48.44 | jott | there you can see which apis are currently officially supported |
| 19:48.52 | jott | http://live.gnome.org/Vala/ExternalBindings |
| 19:48.53 | jott | there are some more |
| 19:49.17 | lardman | jott: really? it spits out C source? |
| 19:49.18 | jott | zap: (and hence produces native machine code) |
| 19:49.38 | jott | lardman: yes. as an intermediate step |
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| 19:50.00 | jott | valac --ccode foo.vala |
| 19:50.01 | lcuk | vala is like original c++ |
| 19:50.05 | lardman | hmm, that's interesting, means I could convert the ZXing library, then write the rest in C |
| 19:50.06 | lcuk | perks |
| 19:50.21 | lardman | I presume the C code will be typically cryptic though |
| 19:50.36 | jott | yeah just how generated looks ;) |
| 19:50.41 | jott | generated code |
| 19:51.03 | lardman | still worth a 1/2 hour looking |
| 19:51.33 | lardman | Will have to go back to Windows to use the great Microsoft's Java->C# tool though, so perhaps later |
| 19:52.32 | lcuk | do i need scratchbox to build a .deb or will any linux work? |
| 19:52.40 | jott | yuk 9mb of source? for the zxing thingy? |
| 19:53.06 | jott | lcuk: you should be able to create debs on the device with some minor hacks .. |
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| 19:53.26 | lardman | jott: yeah, I had a look through and had some real troubles finding the guts of the thing, lots of wrapping paper |
| 19:53.39 | lcuk | no jott, ive got some kind of alien linux running alongside windows now |
| 19:53.44 | lcuk | but its not got sb |
| 19:53.50 | lcuk | andLinux |
| 19:53.54 | lardman | jott: would prefer to write my own (more interesting), but best to get something working to keep up the motivation |
| 19:54.10 | lardman | lcuk: delete Windows |
| 19:54.32 | jott | lcuk: why not just use debian/ubuntu as they are officially supported?! |
| 19:54.35 | lcuk | if i delete windows how will i ever be able to run this java converter you have mentioned |
| 19:54.40 | lardman | lol |
| 19:54.43 | lardman | dual boot? |
| 19:54.45 | GNUton | lcuk: try to Install Linux on VMWare |
| 19:54.48 | lcuk | cant dual boot |
| 19:54.49 | jott | lcuk: wine? mono? ;) |
| 19:54.51 | dmsuperman | lcuk: To fix that you just do "deltree C:\*.* /y" |
| 19:54.55 | lardman | more like duel boot from my experience |
| 19:54.57 | lcuk | got it on vmware and it sucks |
| 19:55.02 | lcuk | :D |
| 19:55.20 | GNUton | lcuk: ok. so try to install linux in another partition! :P |
| 19:55.24 | dmsuperman | lcuk: Or just burn the hard drive...that's probably the best way |
| 19:55.37 | jott | GNUton: hey will you push qt4 into diablo extras? |
| 19:55.38 | dmsuperman | lcuk: Once windows gets in there it's really hard to get the disease out |
| 19:55.55 | lcuk | you lot are so pro-choice :( why dont you accept that my choice of os is windows |
| 19:56.07 | lardman | lcuk: best bet is to stick in a secondary HDD and install on there |
| 19:56.19 | GNUton | jott: Probably, Now i´m working hard to hildonize Qt. |
| 19:56.23 | lcuk | but i dont want to have to reboot to build a package |
| 19:56.35 | dmsuperman | lcuk: because we have functioning brains |
| 19:56.37 | jott | GNUton: how is it going? i still have some basic code for that.. |
| 19:56.42 | lardman | no, you have to reboot to convert Java to C# ;) |
| 19:56.49 | lcuk | dmsuperman, my brain works perfectly well |
| 19:56.49 | yigal | hmm this is interesting using pidgin on n00. |
| 19:56.58 | dmsuperman | lcuk: as you use windows |
| 19:57.09 | melmoth | what is the problem on having your scratchbox installed in a nice vmware vm ? |
| 19:57.29 | yigal | s/n/n8 |
| 19:57.52 | lcuk | the mouse is fecked and i would have start a whole vmware just to click a build button |
| 19:57.58 | GNUton | jott: code? :) |
| 19:58.07 | jott | yeah! :) |
| 19:58.15 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, talk to qwerty12 about andLinux. :P |
| 19:58.21 | jott | menu integration works quite ok |
| 19:58.25 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, ive got it |
| 19:58.25 | melmoth | who talked about clicking on a build button ? ssh into it dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot, and here you go. |
| 19:58.43 | jott | though i did not find time to wrap it all up.. |
| 19:58.51 | GNUton | jott: done, now I´m working on the Input method. |
| 19:58.52 | lcuk | i was asking if i needed SB to build a package |
| 19:59.21 | melmoth | going to be more easy with scratchbox. |
| 19:59.24 | GNUton | I´ve some problem with the focus of the QLineEdit with the echo setted to password. |
| 19:59.26 | lcuk | GNUton, have you got anything released? |
| 19:59.34 | melmoth | it is most probably needed for arch dependent binary package anyway |
| 19:59.35 | lbt | no - but you need a fairly heavy debian deb-build environment |
| 20:00.12 | yigal | is there a bash package,deb, for Diablo |
| 20:00.16 | lcuk | andLinux is ubuntu i think i can put most stuff on it - i could prob also get SB on, but it starts to baffle my mind having a VM inside a VM |
| 20:00.21 | GeneralAntilles | yigal, nitapps.com |
| 20:00.31 | lardman | come on ssh installation! |
| 20:00.33 | GNUton | lcuk: the code is available in our repository. |
| 20:00.41 | lcuk | cool, wheres that gnuton |
| 20:00.53 | melmoth | scractchox is not really a vm as such. just a sort of chroot thingy |
| 20:01.02 | lcuk | and are you doing this as GPL |
| 20:01.16 | GNUton | lcuk: of course |
| 20:01.20 | lcuk | or dual license QT style |
| 20:01.32 | yigal | GeneralAntilles: ty! |
| 20:01.37 | lardman | lcuk: on a push for GPL now that you've joined the bandwagon? |
| 20:01.54 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 20:01.54 | lcuk | no lardman, just wondering about side issues |
| 20:02.23 | lardman | :) |
| 20:02.40 | lcuk | community supported GPL qt interface is one thing but it also means that nokia themselves cant use it if i read everything correctly |
| 20:02.52 | GNUton | jott: if you want and if you have a bit of time you could help me to fix the Qt code... |
| 20:02.55 | GeneralAntilles | What the hell is SWiK it shows up at the top of 90% of my google searches these days and contains absolutely zero useful information. . . . |
| 20:03.26 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, post a question in noob section of itT ;) |
| 20:03.38 | lcuk | "ive just done a google search and ive got a few questions" |
| 20:03.55 | lcuk | just for the hell of it :D |
| 20:03.56 | jott | GNUton: what's the problem? |
| 20:04.31 | Maketwo | uhm, what's the "swap key"? |
| 20:04.38 | jott | GNUton: ah and mind updating the qgtkstyle package? my patch was commited for proper font support.. |
| 20:05.08 | GNUton | jott: Yes I know! :) Well done! :) |
| 20:05.22 | GeneralAntilles | Maketwo, the one that lets you switch applications. |
| 20:05.30 | GeneralAntilles | Where is it telling you to find the swap key? |
| 20:05.49 | Maketwo | I'm going to update the os |
| 20:06.04 | Maketwo | nokia internet tablet software update wizard says that |
| 20:06.14 | GeneralAntilles | Doesn't it have a picture? |
| 20:06.23 | Maketwo | "Press and hold the swap key and switch on the device" No it doesn't have a picture |
| 20:06.33 | GeneralAntilles | Oh? |
| 20:06.38 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm, might be worth filing a bug on that one |
| 20:06.40 | jott | GNUton: hmm seeing patches applied to upstream qt4 in the svn.. wouldn't it be better to switch to git? |
| 20:06.51 | GeneralAntilles | Anyway, it's the two overlapping rectangles button on the front left of the front face. |
| 20:06.51 | Maketwo | yup.. |
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| 20:07.09 | Maketwo | oh that one, thanks |
| 20:07.19 | zap | interesting, that was my first question on this channel |
| 20:07.21 | Maketwo | the upper button on the left side of the screen |
| 20:07.43 | GNUton | jott: I´m using the garage tools.. :/ |
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| 20:08.41 | jott | GNUton: yeah well it's no problem to push patch sets back to svn.. but imho it will make things easier if qt4.4.1 is out ;) |
| 20:09.33 | GeneralAntilles | zap, Maketwo: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3437 |
| 20:10.02 | Maketwo | :) |
| 20:10.07 | jott | might be something to ping x-fade.. git support in garage :> |
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| 20:10.17 | GNUton | jott: Why will qt 4.4.1 make things easier? |
| 20:10.21 | GeneralAntilles | jott, bugzilla! |
| 20:10.22 | jott | git.garage.maemo.org or so .. |
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| 20:10.45 | jott | GNUton: pulling the changes of qt4.4.1 back into the qt4.4.0-maemo branch |
| 20:11.21 | jott | GeneralAntilles: hm indeed.. later :) |
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| 20:14.52 | sjgadsby | Yay, my genuine CA-100 has arrived. Hopefully, there'll be no melty with this one. |
| 20:15.15 | GeneralAntilles | What, $30 later? You'd hope not. ;) |
| 20:15.23 | sjgadsby | $20 |
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| 20:15.45 | sjgadsby | Either way, much more than the $5 I paid for the first one. |
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| 20:18.00 | GNUton | jott: I didn´t know of this new Qt release.. |
| 20:19.09 | jott | GNUton: this was just an example - it's just that git (or hg fwiw) will ease handling upstream changes.. |
| 20:19.52 | jott | and additionally make it easier to track maemo changes |
| 20:20.39 | jott | ~lart garage for being slow again |
| 20:20.39 | infobot | whips out a shotgun, trudges over to garage, and goes postal for being slow again |
| 20:20.47 | GNUton | ah ok! :P I apologize I´m very tired and "multitasking" this night... |
| 20:21.39 | GNUton | jott: have you other interesting patch to add to hildonize Qt4? |
| 20:22.20 | jott | not yet just the menu.. |
| 20:22.32 | jott | i thought about wrapping some n8x0 specific stuff |
| 20:22.43 | jott | like controlling brightness/leds/etc.. |
| 20:23.34 | jott | i wonder what would be the top priority tasks besides menu and im... |
| 20:23.58 | jott | so rebuild searchbar? and some of the hildon slider stuff? |
| 20:24.15 | GNUton | Menu and IM are in shape... IM need a bit of fixes... |
| 20:24.36 | GNUton | No nothing of this stuff. |
| 20:26.08 | snowmoon-work | loves kernel bug |
| 20:26.12 | jott | GNUton: where/how is the menu integrated? |
| 20:26.41 | jott | i inherited qmainwindow |
| 20:26.52 | lbt | does anyone know about 'tap and hold' in gtkmm |
| 20:27.00 | inherited | what where who? |
| 20:27.03 | inherited | ah |
| 20:27.08 | inherited | inherited in original sense |
| 20:27.17 | inherited | goes back to bed |
| 20:28.15 | snowmoon-work | qwerty12_N800: I found documentation from the kernel lists that wiring up set_robust_list while including a asm-generic/futex.h can be hung by any userland process |
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| 20:29.20 | qwerty12_N800 | snowmoon-work, ahh |
| 20:29.41 | snowmoon-work | I think that neatly explains a NUMBER of issues with diablo |
| 20:30.04 | GNUton | jott: it´s integrated in QApplication::x11ClientMessage and in other classes... that I don´t remember at moment.. |
| 20:30.34 | RST38h | moo |
| 20:30.42 | GNUton | jott: If you are courios, you can checkout the code in SVN :P |
| 20:31.37 | RST38h | whazzup? |
| 20:31.54 | jott | GNUton: it's still pulling :P |
| 20:32.03 | GNUton | jott: :) |
| 20:32.10 | jott | ah |
| 20:32.21 | jott | pokes around |
| 20:32.24 | qwerty12_N800 | snowmoon-work, nice work, i'll be interested to see what comes of this :). |
| 20:32.34 | jott | d->globalMenu->exec(QPoint(91, 48)); <- hehe looks hacky :P |
| 20:33.15 | snowmoon-work | qwerty12_N800: I'll be interested to see how nokia handles their first kernel update ;-) |
| 20:33.21 | RST38h | lemme guess... modest hangup bug? |
| 20:33.26 | GNUton | jott: :P |
| 20:33.52 | RST38h | hangs on futex with 100% cpu? |
| 20:34.13 | GNUton | jott: if you want you can change the source... they are public! |
| 20:34.15 | snowmoon-work | RST38h: yep check out the docs https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3357#c19 |
| 20:34.27 | qwerty12_N800 | snowmoon-work, i'll have to update rotation kernel deb :p. although, technicallly, this isn't my 1st diablo kernel update from nokia ;P. |
| 20:34.47 | GNUton | jott: or if you want you can send to me your patch. |
| 20:34.49 | jott | GNUton: yeah nice to see this |
| 20:34.59 | GNUton | jott: :) |
| 20:35.13 | jott | GNUton: you work fulltime on qt4-maemo now? |
| 20:35.20 | snowmoon-work | anyways.. I'm signing off. I'll be online as brontide later if I can spare a few minutes |
| 20:35.20 | GNUton | jott: yeah |
| 20:35.33 | jott | nice |
| 20:35.36 | RST38h | curses overly crufty nokia developers |
| 20:35.55 | GNUton | jott: by the way I´m alone :( and there are a lot of things to do.. |
| 20:36.05 | RST38h | (just in case) |
| 20:36.15 | jott | GNUton: might wrap up a roadmap? |
| 20:36.39 | Jaffa | has an andLinux image with Scratchbox in it. Could generalise it for others, if wanted |
| 20:36.45 | jott | it's easier to contribute if goals are defined.. |
| 20:37.48 | GNUton | jott: basically I would like have QStyle, IM and Menues completed for the next month. |
| 20:38.22 | GNUton | Menues seems ok, but you are able to improve it, you are welcome. |
| 20:38.45 | GNUton | Now I´m working on the IM. And here there are a lot of bugs to fix. |
| 20:39.19 | GNUton | QGTKStyle basically is ok, but need other fixes as you know well. |
| 20:39.21 | jott | yeah right-click is missing too i guess.. the one gsoc kde guy did something in that area, right? |
| 20:39.53 | jott | GNUton: yeah.. hildon or better sapwood does not make it easy ;) |
| 20:40.28 | GeneralAntilles | Looks like simple launcher has been replaced: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/personal-launch/ |
| 20:41.02 | MangoFusion | so it's not simple anymore? |
| 20:41.26 | MangoFusion | personal. darn, does that mean there will be a ton of configuration options? |
| 20:41.47 | crashanddie | Q: How do you know your mother quit smoking ? |
| 20:41.55 | crashanddie | A: She begs for cigarettes even more than before. |
| 20:41.58 | qwerty12_N800 | tbh, simple-launcher lost its appeal after it stopped being updated |
| 20:42.03 | MangoFusion | haha |
| 20:42.38 | qwerty12_N800 | :D |
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| 20:43.41 | jott | starts a qt4 build :O |
| 20:43.48 | jott | let's if it builds ;) |
| 20:44.57 | GNUton | jott: good luck! :) |
| 20:45.35 | GNUton | launch ./configure at least with this flash "-no-pch -hildon" |
| 20:46.04 | GNUton | and after run make && make install |
| 20:46.28 | jott | oh not with dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 20:46.39 | GNUton | jott: not yet, sorry. |
| 20:46.51 | jott | what's the problem? |
| 20:46.55 | GNUton | jott: there are some hunk to fix. |
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| 21:03.51 | jott | GNUton: dpkg seems to build now.. |
| 21:04.15 | crashanddie | does anyone know where to get dh_make on the tablet ? |
| 21:04.39 | crashanddie | package dh-make doesn't exist, and I'm not sure it's in debhelper (confer http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/1998/03/msg00364.html) |
| 21:05.23 | Jaffa | On the tablet? |
| 21:05.41 | Jaffa | Install the SDK repo |
| 21:05.44 | jott | crashanddie: http://packages.debian.org/sid/dh-make |
| 21:06.30 | crashanddie | jott, is that a gentle way of telling me "compile it yourself" ? |
| 21:06.50 | GNUton | What did you do? |
| 21:06.58 | GNUton | jott: ? |
| 21:07.12 | jott | GNUton: removed the maemo patch and added -hildon to the rules |
| 21:07.26 | jott | if everything builds fine i can commit it.. |
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| 21:09.31 | GNUton | there are some errors appling the debian patch to this code... |
| 21:09.37 | GNUton | patches |
| 21:09.42 | GNUton | jott: .. |
| 21:09.42 | jott | GNUton: compile errors? |
| 21:09.58 | jott | atleast all other patches applied |
| 21:10.10 | GNUton | mmm are ou sure? |
| 21:10.17 | jott | it currently builds at least ;) |
| 21:10.39 | GNUton | I know that it built... :P :) |
| 21:10.54 | jott | well with dpkg-buildpackage... |
| 21:11.24 | jott | i'll see if it breaks it should be easy to spot the problematic patches in the series |
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| 21:13.15 | jott | GNUton: if it builds fine, it's ok to commit the changes, right? |
| 21:13.57 | jott | is afk.. |
| 21:16.08 | GNUton | jott: ok, but it´s better if all patches are appied fine... |
| 21:16.40 | khertan | crashanddie: are you trying to build package on device ? |
| 21:16.44 | khertan | Hi ! |
| 21:17.21 | crashanddie | khertan, I'm helping out lcuk |
| 21:17.23 | GNUton | Ho khertan |
| 21:17.32 | zap | What's the process of submitting packages to Extras for gregale? |
| 21:17.54 | khertan | but if u found how to build package from device i'm interested :) |
| 21:18.24 | lcuk | khertan, :) hi, i used your packager last night but got completely lost in it all but somehow i have a .deb there |
| 21:18.45 | lcuk | but crashanddie and i are attempting to do this natively (i think) |
| 21:19.01 | khertan | lcuk: yes but can't be used to upload to diablo extra |
| 21:19.13 | lcuk | why not? |
| 21:19.15 | crashanddie | khertan, basically, you need dpkg-dev and dh-make |
| 21:19.19 | khertan | as now package should be build by autobuilder |
| 21:19.31 | crashanddie | lcuk, oh yeah, did I forget to say that ? |
| 21:19.38 | crashanddie | :-° |
| 21:19.49 | khertan | and pypackager don't make package with debian rules |
| 21:19.57 | lcuk | not a problem, whats the biggy with autobuilder? does it need ./configure or other things |
| 21:20.22 | khertan | it s too complex ... and many tools haven't been port due to busybox |
| 21:20.30 | khertan | it need a debian rules file |
| 21:20.39 | crashanddie | lcuk, and I just provided that for ya :D |
| 21:20.41 | lcuk | :'( |
| 21:20.49 | lcuk | :D then |
| 21:20.57 | khertan | this is why none of my application are available for diablo |
| 21:21.10 | khertan | and won't be available once i found a solution |
| 21:21.12 | crashanddie | khertan, get the dh-make package on your device |
| 21:21.23 | khertan | and i ven't the time to found one now |
| 21:21.31 | khertan | i'm sorry for user |
| 21:21.38 | crashanddie | khertan, dh-make will create the debian structure, and all the files it need |
| 21:21.45 | qwerty12_N800 | 1 |
| 21:21.45 | lcuk | i know that feeling khertan. lots to do not enough time |
| 21:21.52 | lcuk | khertan, are you coming to the maemo summit? |
| 21:21.52 | qwerty12_N800 | Sorry. |
| 21:22.00 | khertan | lcuk: now ... i can't |
| 21:22.03 | khertan | no |
| 21:22.07 | khertan | s/now/no |
| 21:22.11 | crashanddie | talking 'bout the Summit, I have to register... again |
| 21:22.12 | crashanddie | :D |
| 21:22.14 | lcuk | aww shame, you provide inspiration :) |
| 21:22.23 | RST38h | khertan: ask xfade to allow binary packages in extras/nonfree |
| 21:22.43 | lcuk | binary packages can go in already, you just setup a makefile to extract the blob |
| 21:22.43 | khertan | RST38h: this is not a real solution |
| 21:22.44 | Jaffa | Hasn't that already been done? |
| 21:23.02 | lcuk | wasnt that the "workaround" |
| 21:23.24 | lcuk | cos canola cant go through the process as it stands can it |
| 21:23.40 | Jaffa | Alhough crashanddie's right, using dh_make isn't too hard. Hell, even mud could help |
| 21:23.41 | lcuk | brb |
| 21:23.46 | RST38h | khertan: it is. binary package means you take responsibility for maintaining it when os upgrades |
| 21:24.21 | Jaffa | lcuk: indeed, some of the INdT guys have been testing it, IIRC |
| 21:24.40 | RST38h | Jaffa: i cant check - away from home right now & until 28th |
| 21:24.50 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint2#Activity_log |
| 21:25.22 | lbt | does gtk_widget_tap_and_hold_setup() work on Labels (which don't, I think, have gdk windows) |
| 21:25.42 | Jaffa | khertan: why is it not a real solution? Because it's free s/w in a "non-free" section? |
| 21:25.48 | khertan | Jaffa: remember that is for making package onboard |
| 21:25.48 | zap | GeneralAntilles: Application Catalog will stay as it is, or will be changed too? |
| 21:25.58 | crashanddie | khertan, dh_make really gives you a basic structure to work with, editing the correct files isn't much of a hassle after that. And the makefile only needs to use $DESTDIR |
| 21:26.04 | khertan | Jaffa: because source aren't in the repository :) |
| 21:26.08 | crashanddie | khertan, can't ask for much more than that, can you ? |
| 21:26.26 | etrunko | Jaffa: X-Fade set up the non-free queue yesterday, but I have not tested it yet |
| 21:26.37 | etrunko | don't know the configuration either |
| 21:26.38 | Jaffa | etrunko: ah, right. thanks |
| 21:26.45 | etrunko | :) |
| 21:26.53 | lcuk | guys, im goin offline. not sure if ill b back tonight. crashanddie thanks for help. others cya later |
| 21:27.06 | RST38h | khertan: yes but it is not reasonable to ask people autobuild it on a tablet... |
| 21:27.06 | etrunko | bye |
| 21:27.07 | crashanddie | lcuk, oh, ok, take care |
| 21:27.13 | khertan | i ll test to port dh_make and make a new package onboard application, but at this time i ven't the time to dev |
| 21:27.16 | lbt | night lcuk |
| 21:27.18 | Jaffa | khertan: if the source is in the repo, it's not unreasonable to ask that it can be used to build the package! |
| 21:27.27 | khertan | RST38h: it is |
| 21:27.55 | RST38h | khertan: not really |
| 21:27.59 | khertan | Jaffa: source is in the repo ... but there is no rules file. |
| 21:28.00 | Jaffa | khertan: just use dh_make once to understand the structure then put a template in PyPackager |
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| 21:28.22 | khertan | Jaffa: the problem is on 'just' :) |
| 21:28.27 | Jaffa | khertan: yes, that's my point - ppl can't build the deb |
| 21:28.42 | crashanddie | Jaffa, question, autobuilder, does that mean we just send a tar with the sources and makefiles, and autobuilder takes care of building it ? |
| 21:28.57 | Jaffa | crashanddie: yes, that's exactly it |
| 21:29.06 | khertan | Jaffa: i think i ll do that ... but need to found time to do it ;) |
| 21:29.11 | crashanddie | Jaffa, doesn't that mean that the server needs to have a shitload of packages installed ? |
| 21:29.17 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 21:29.36 | GeneralAntilles | It starts from a clean slate and pulls the build depends from Extras. |
| 21:29.39 | khertan | dependancy are specified. |
| 21:29.44 | GeneralAntilles | So you have to have all of your dependencies in Extras. |
| 21:29.45 | jott | GNUton: the patches are applied fine. the only patch failed was 99_maemo_maxpath.diff and that is already applied in the svn. |
| 21:29.46 | RST38h | ga: which part there is relevant? |
| 21:29.52 | Jaffa | crashanddie: your package lists other packages it needs to build and they're sourced from SDK, Extras and Extras-deevel |
| 21:29.53 | jott | GNUton: still building fine :) |
| 21:30.01 | crashanddie | oooh |
| 21:30.02 | crashanddie | clever |
| 21:30.09 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, the most recent from Niels. |
| 21:30.14 | khertan | hum ... i ll go to sleep |
| 21:30.16 | crashanddie | though, isn't this very CPU intensive ? |
| 21:30.17 | khertan | bye |
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| 21:30.30 | lardman|afk | you need the debian directory then |
| 21:30.32 | khertan | see u later |
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| 21:30.34 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, it's not our cycles, so who cares? :D |
| 21:30.46 | crashanddie | in a ironic way that maemo.org is already on its kneeds 24/7, adding compilation times surely doesn't do it any good ? |
| 21:30.51 | crashanddie | knees* |
| 21:31.01 | GeneralAntilles | The autobuilder machine is unrelated to the web hosting, I believe. |
| 21:31.11 | crashanddie | ok |
| 21:31.19 | GeneralAntilles | We're getting a big server upgrade in a month or so, though. |
| 21:31.24 | crashanddie | so, I can just start and push a shitload of stuff ? |
| 21:31.39 | Jaffa | yep |
| 21:31.49 | crashanddie | oO' |
| 21:31.55 | crashanddie | lights a fag |
| 21:32.22 | crashanddie | hohoho :P |
| 21:32.30 | crashanddie | I'm going to write a little script :P |
| 21:32.33 | Jaffa | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:32.54 | crashanddie | I'll tell that script which package I want |
| 21:33.08 | crashanddie | and it'll just recursively start getting the sources from packages.debian.org |
| 21:33.09 | GNUton | jott: probably build fine, but are you sure that all the patches has been applied fine? |
| 21:33.13 | crashanddie | and push them all to autobuilder :D |
| 21:33.14 | Jaffa | cal, netcat and libgee all came directly frrom Debian and vim and vala from upstream tarballs |
| 21:33.34 | RST38h | personal launcher. YEAH! |
| 21:33.51 | Jaffa | crashanddie: err, that already exists; http://mud-builder.garage.maem.org |
| 21:34.05 | crashanddie | yeah, but that's not me who wrote it |
| 21:34.06 | crashanddie | is it ? |
| 21:34.09 | crashanddie | :D |
| 21:34.13 | Jaffa | No. I did. |
| 21:34.18 | Jaffa | patches welcome ;) |
| 21:34.28 | Makegho | Anyone know a good password manager? gpasman requires me to chmod 600 the file manually every now and then |
| 21:35.02 | lardman | thinks one with iris recognition would be cool |
| 21:35.04 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm, should dropdowns with numbers be right-aligned? |
| 21:35.10 | GeneralAntilles | Something's making me think they should be |
| 21:35.18 | GeneralAntilles | but I can't find an example to remind myself. |
| 21:35.26 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: decimal aligned |
| 21:35.29 | jott | GNUton: fine in the sense that they all applied - i do not know yet if they a) build fine b) interfere semantically with your work. |
| 21:35.37 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: so right aligned for integers |
| 21:35.54 | crashanddie | err Jaffa |
| 21:35.59 | crashanddie | Jaffa, isn't that for personal use ? |
| 21:36.08 | GeneralAntilles | Thanks, lardman. |
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| 21:36.30 | crashanddie | Jaffa, I'm actually about pushing the stuff to extra's autobuilder |
| 21:36.35 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: or did you want the official maemo spec position, in which case I've no idea :) |
| 21:37.21 | jott | GNUton: where the first would imply the latter ;) |
| 21:37.39 | GNUton | jott: ok, good test! :) It´s very late, I´ll go to sleep... |
| 21:37.42 | Jaffa | crashanddie: yes, I know. The web page is slightly outdated with the auobuilder coming along. The code itself doesn't care tho. See also http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jaffa/mud_design |
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| 21:38.22 | Jaffa | crashanddie: current version spits out binary debs for testing and source packages for upload to autobuilder. |
| 21:38.35 | GNUton | jott: have a good night! |
| 21:38.41 | GNUton | night all guys! |
| 21:38.44 | jott | GNUton: yeah good night we'll keep in touch. i probably can tell you if the build works tomorrow :) |
| 21:39.36 | GNUton | jott: :) ok you can use the forum or you can send me a mail, as you wish (gnuton AT gnuton.org) |
| 21:39.46 | jott | kk |
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| 21:40.01 | GNUton | jott: :) thank you and good night! |
| 21:40.13 | lardman | Doing some 1D array work in C, is it bad form to store the array length in the 1st element of the array? |
| 21:41.05 | crashanddie | Jaffa, if I may just say something, I wouldn't be keen on having packages (source debian packages) coming from everywhere. I think we should stick with one release (say, debian etch stable ?), and not start using sid or whatever |
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| 21:42.13 | Jaffa | crashanddie: can you expand on your reasons? |
| 21:42.49 | crashanddie | Well, I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want my NIT to be bricked because of some unstable version |
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| 21:44.56 | zap | lardman: thats ok |
| 21:44.57 | Jaffa | crashanddie: that's what Extras-devel and promotion are for; no different to someone uploading svn HEAD of a project to Extras, is it? Or people writing crap s/w from scratch... |
| 21:45.00 | jott | crashanddie: etch does not really imply stable versions of packages, just a stable overall system |
| 21:45.40 | jott | and as maemo extras is completely off from etch it is really unrelated .. |
| 21:46.21 | jott | and sid packages can give much more stable versions.. |
| 21:46.52 | crashanddie | I think that's debatable |
| 21:47.11 | crashanddie | But I guess that extras-devel is some kind of safety net |
| 21:47.14 | jott | why? |
| 21:47.23 | Jaffa | It's up to the packager to find the most suitable version. By *default* for a Debian source, mud goes for 'testing', but it's changeable |
| 21:47.29 | jott | i does not claim all sid packages are more stable |
| 21:47.46 | jott | but i claim etch contains unstable packages compared to the upstream projects |
| 21:48.14 | crashanddie | unstable ? I don't know. Maybe versions that lack the most current features and improvements, but unstable... I doubt so |
| 21:48.44 | vandenoever | are there any binaries for kde4 ? i saw a blog about tit |
| 21:48.45 | jott | crashanddie: unstable in the sense of "more bugs" |
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| 22:02.00 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/adv-backlight-schedule-mockup.png Comments? |
| 22:02.09 | GeneralAntilles | It's missing a few parts, but as a basic overview. |
| 22:03.00 | lbt | OK - I got gtk_widget_tap_and_hold_setup working fine on a button - now I need it to work on a label. Labels don't have windows so I created an hbox and put the label in that and then added the setup call to the hbox - but it ignores it |
| 22:03.53 | MangoFusion | GeneralAntilles: a scheduler? |
| 22:04.32 | GeneralAntilles | For adv-backlight |
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| 22:05.54 | MangoFusion | y'know what would be cool is if there was a decent calendar app which you could use to schedule tasks through dbus or something to change the brightness, send an email, and make a cup of coffee |
| 22:06.40 | MangoFusion | nice idea though. but i wonder, wouldn't it be better to use a slider for the "To" value? |
| 22:07.12 | GeneralAntilles | Is there room for that? :P |
| 22:07.25 | GeneralAntilles | and I want people to be able to type in the value. |
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| 22:10.27 | lardman | zap: cool, means I can keep the same 1-based array indices of my MATLAB code too :) |
| 22:10.34 | MangoFusion | i'd be wondering "what on earth do all of these numbers mean?" |
| 22:10.46 | MangoFusion | but that's just me |
| 22:11.09 | lardman | MangoFusion: mute the volume when you're in a meeting, etc |
| 22:11.36 | GeneralAntilles | GeoClue. |
| 22:12.01 | GeneralAntilles | Too bad it's still a bit immature on Maemo. |
| 22:12.05 | MangoFusion | i don't see a "When i'm in a meeting" option in that screenshot ;) |
| 22:12.05 | lardman | indeed, we need an app though |
| 22:12.18 | lardman | sulpd api would be good too |
| 22:12.28 | lardman | s/sulpd/supld |
| 22:13.34 | lardman | http://www.scribd.com/doc/2977103/Android-Developer-Challenge-winners?query2=Locale Android Developer Challenge pg40 - locale |
| 22:13.56 | lardman | hmm, difficult url that one: "http://www.scribd.com/doc/2977103/Android-Developer-Challenge-winners?query2=Locale Android Developer Challenge" |
| 22:14.06 | lbt | well - you've all been totally useless tonight :) |
| 22:14.16 | lbt | I've had to resort to email!!! |
| 22:14.20 | lardman | we try :) |
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| 22:14.58 | lbt | I did do some docs for the gtkmm guys |
| 22:15.11 | MangoFusion | nice apps. pity there's nothing real i can run them on. :( |
| 22:15.25 | lbt | and sent them to gnome-c++ as per the instructions - no reply though |
| 22:15.36 | lardman | I wasn't acting as an Android fanboy, we should have some cool apps like that too! |
| 22:15.37 | lbt | <sigh> |
| 22:15.52 | lbt | OK - I'm done - g'night all... |
| 22:16.00 | lardman | night lbt |
| 22:19.05 | zap | Anybody succeeded to resize that Yellow Notes applet? |
| 22:20.42 | lardman | I'm hitting the sack too, night all |
| 22:22.50 | Makegho | hmm, su doesn't work so I have to ssh root@localhost ;-) |
| 22:23.42 | GeneralAntilles | ~rootaccess |
| 22:23.43 | infobot | hmm... rootaccess is http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access |
| 22:23.53 | Makegho | thanks |
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| 22:30.23 | Makegho | is it possible to open multiple x terminals at the same time? I can't access the local tablet when I'm chatting on irc :) |
| 22:30.53 | GeneralAntilles | It supports tabs. . . . |
| 22:31.01 | Makegho | oh |
| 22:31.30 | Makegho | gotcha, thanks |
| 22:32.12 | Makegho | there's so much to learn. ^^ |
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| 23:44.12 | qos | hey guys. whats about the screen rotation thing. did something change for diablo? |
| 23:45.35 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=196034&postcount=194 |
| 23:45.37 | GeneralAntilles | Google. . . . |
| 23:46.35 | crashanddie | does a bluetooth mouse work for the n8x0 ? |
| 23:47.25 | jott | qos: and use the all new advanced-backlight instead of the old rotate-sb-plugin :) |
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| 23:48.05 | qos | jott, an hour ago i made a new theme for it ;) |
| 23:48.31 | qos | 42 icons are much :) |
| 23:48.38 | GeneralAntilles | No kidding. |
| 23:48.48 | GeneralAntilles | 84 is even worse. ;) |
| 23:49.05 | qos | you did it twice? |
| 23:49.13 | GeneralAntilles | LCARS and the default set |
| 23:49.52 | jott | qos: where is your theme? if it's good we can integrate it in the next release ;) |
| 23:51.08 | qos | its a combination of the both original plugins... currently its on my desktop pc. and i am in my bed. ;) |
| 23:52.23 | qos | jott, do you remember that i did suggest you and icon for your own plugin? |
| 23:52.59 | jott | ah that was you :) |
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| 23:53.11 | Zmiko | perrin8100d: |
| 23:53.19 | qos | yeah ;) the 2 squares ... |
| 23:53.36 | jott | qos: i did not work on this stuff until last weekend.. |
| 23:54.19 | qos | does the new plugin also rotate the dpad? |
| 23:54.23 | jott | and now it ended in an all new shiny join with adv-backlight ;) |
| 23:54.27 | jott | yes |
| 23:54.34 | jott | might have to add an option for this |
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| 23:54.52 | GeneralAntilles | Hardware key assignment is on the list. |
| 23:55.05 | jott | GeneralAntilles: d-pad rotation is already in ;) |
| 23:55.14 | GeneralAntilles | Oh? |
| 23:55.19 | GeneralAntilles | How do you switch it? |
| 23:55.29 | jott | you can't disable it atm |
| 23:55.37 | qos | you showed me the code for it ;) |
| 23:55.39 | jott | it just rotates the dpad according to the xrandr rotation |
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| 23:55.56 | qos | which was much more elegant than mine ;) |
| 23:56.00 | jott | :P |
| 23:56.08 | GeneralAntilles | dpad changes brightness and volume levels over here. |
| 23:56.10 | qos | thats enought |
| 23:56.38 | jott | GeneralAntilles: no, the dpad in general.. if you rotate then up, down, left, right are remapped |
| 23:57.39 | jott | so you can scroll intuitively |
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| 23:58.18 | GeneralAntilles | OH |
| 23:58.18 | GeneralAntilles | Right |
| 23:58.22 | GeneralAntilles | is dumbass |
| 23:58.34 | qos | so, is there a central place to get the rotation? something like rotation.garage.maemo.org? so that everytime a new kernel gets released you can get the patched kernel there... |
| 23:58.36 | GeneralAntilles | I was thinking that press a dpad direction when the applet was open would rotate to that orientation. |
| 23:58.38 | GeneralAntilles | Right, right. |
| 23:58.38 | jott | heh it was too intuitive to realize ;) |
| 23:58.52 | GeneralAntilles | The best kind of intuitive! |
| 23:59.14 | jott | qos: might be an idea.. |
| 23:59.25 | jott | or just push the kernel to extras |
| 23:59.49 | GeneralAntilles | Everything should be pushed to Extras |
| 23:59.50 | jott | just have to think about a sane way to make it optional |
| 23:59.55 | GeneralAntilles | with maybe the kernel being in Extra-devel. |
