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| 02:44.18 | bexmobile | anyone use plazer? |
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| 03:05.44 | yigal | If I want to use command line tools with a n8xx, mutt, irssi, newsbeuter, bash or zsh, python etc. will using the n800 be far more challenging vs. n810? |
| 03:07.34 | yigal | excuse me, without an external keyboard of course |
| 03:07.39 | yigal | that would be cheating |
| 03:07.43 | yigal | :) |
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| 03:13.33 | straind | Does anybody have a .deb for kismet? The old repository doesn't have it any longer. |
| 03:22.51 | Grackle_ | Probably, yigal |
| 03:23.28 | Grackle_ | It's entirely possible. I wouldn't call it more 'challenging,' but it would quite likely be slower. |
| 03:27.52 | yigal | Grackle_: the price difference is unfortunately a huge consideration for me, I'm a poor grad. student, but this technology is really hard to pass up when vim, mutt, tex, python etc. are available in such a sexy but functional package |
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| 03:33.55 | Grackle_ | yigal, Yeah, I can't afford the N810 either, I got the N800. |
| 03:34.31 | yigal | Grackle_: is it serving you well, and what do you use it for? |
| 03:35.37 | derf | yigal: The hardware keyboard really isn't that great. |
| 03:35.47 | Grackle_ | I find it to be more of a novelty than anything. I just like trying to get it to do different things. Recently, I got gcc and make and compiled gforth on the device. Just started make and popped it in my pocket. I went to work and when I checked it at lunchtime, I had a working forth system. |
| 03:35.50 | derf | The main advantage is that it doesn't take up half your screen real-estate. |
| 03:36.58 | derf | The on-screen keyboard can also be reconfigured, so you can actually get a lot more of the keys. |
| 03:37.49 | Grackle_ | Where could I get the most money for my lightly used 770? I've considered putting it on ebay. |
| 03:38.02 | yigal | well that's it I'm getting an n800 |
| 03:38.10 | Grackle_ | I need some money for my MSI Wind fund |
| 03:38.30 | yigal | Grackle_: nice :), but bucks |
| 03:38.47 | Grackle_ | But bucks? |
| 03:39.19 | yigal | not so many |
| 03:39.40 | Grackle_ | I'm hoping I can get 100 or so. |
| 03:39.44 | Navi | lol |
| 03:39.53 | Grackle_ | But I'm not sure how likely that is. |
| 03:39.56 | Grackle_ | Heh, Navi laughs. :| |
| 03:40.44 | yigal | does anyone here use irssi, mutt, vim, emacs with n800? |
| 03:40.56 | Grackle_ | I also plan on selling my HP dv500t. Hopefully I can get 400 or 450 for that. |
| 03:41.16 | Grackle_ | yigal, I would not use emacs. Using modifier keys with the onscreen keyboard is a pain in the ass. |
| 03:41.28 | Grackle_ | I'm not sure if it would even be possible |
| 03:41.34 | Grackle_ | vim is usable |
| 03:41.36 | derf | I used IRC and vim. |
| 03:41.47 | Grackle_ | irssi works just fine |
| 03:41.52 | Grackle_ | mutt ought to work fine |
| 03:42.21 | derf | As I said, the main problem is you really only get a couple of lines of scrollback. |
| 03:42.31 | yigal | good, good to hear, so a little gnu screen + those mentioned above and I'm really set, my mouth waters |
| 03:42.51 | derf | Yes, by "use IRC" I meant, ssh+screen+irssi. |
| 03:43.22 | yigal | derf: scrollback, you mean xterm keyboard history or something else |
| 03:43.29 | derf | yigal: I meant on IRC. |
| 03:43.40 | yigal | ah |
| 03:44.12 | yigal | derf: I imagine even with 8pt font :) |
| 03:44.17 | Navi | 770s go for like 50 on ebay |
| 03:44.29 | Grackle_ | Really Navi? I suppose I'll just keep it then. |
| 03:44.39 | derf | yigal: My eyes aren't that good anymore. |
| 03:45.05 | derf | I mean, 480 sounds like a lot of pixels, but that's really quite a high dpi... |
| 03:45.10 | yigal | derf: perhaps I shouldn't be so unkind to them, even though my eyes still are |
| 03:45.13 | Navi | 50-80 I've seen |
| 03:45.51 | Grackle_ | puts a few on watch |
| 03:45.57 | yigal | derf: I'm getting one, it is good to read other's being able to use the device for something similar to my interest needs |
| 03:46.43 | Navi | using weechat on it with the font small |
| 03:46.56 | Navi | I loves mah high dpi |
| 03:47.09 | derf | Oh, it looks beautiful, no doubt. |
| 03:48.17 | yigal | oh, I realize the 810 is far superior trying to read with the sun, is the 800 viewable and if not can I do something to help, probably wear dark sunglasses :) |
| 03:48.23 | Grackle_ | I lost the stylus for my N800 a few days ago. |
| 03:48.35 | Grackle_ | I have the spare one around here somewhere. I need to find it. |
| 03:48.39 | Navi | Grackle_, ouch |
| 03:48.46 | yigal | Grackle_: that's not good, sorry |
| 03:48.53 | derf | yigal: The N800 is completely unviewable in direct sunlight. |
| 03:49.05 | derf | The best thing you can do is stand in the shade. |
| 03:49.22 | Navi | ually do |
| 03:49.30 | Navi | usually* |
| 03:49.38 | Grackle_ | You can get by standing in the shade, but really it's not made for the outdoors. |
| 03:49.47 | derf | Yeah, it's not a problem so much until you want to walk around with maemo mapper open. |
| 03:49.48 | Navi | but not so cool :( |
| 03:50.03 | Grackle_ | I only brought it to work a couple times (I'm a landscaper), because it's not terribly useful outside. |
| 03:50.19 | GreyFoxx | How viewable is the 810's screen in direct sunlight ? |
| 03:50.23 | Navi | indeed |
| 03:50.31 | GreyFoxx | I have an 810 in transit to me right now :) |
| 03:50.38 | Navi | It's fine |
| 03:50.51 | GreyFoxx | Hurray for Moms and birthday gifts :) |
| 03:50.55 | yigal | I'll have to buy an umbrella then perhaps :) |
| 03:50.56 | derf | You lose a lot of the color. |
| 03:51.02 | derf | But it's perfectly readable. |
| 03:51.04 | GreyFoxx | First time my mother has known what to buy me for once :) |
| 03:51.05 | Navi | I don't have an 810, but my phone had a transflective screen |
| 03:51.07 | GreyFoxx | derf: Sweet |
| 03:51.26 | Navi | Totally readable though |
| 03:51.35 | yigal | right, could I put something over the screen to make it readable? |
| 03:51.47 | Grackle_ | An umbrella. |
| 03:51.52 | Navi | lol |
| 03:51.57 | Grackle_ | :) |
| 03:51.59 | yigal | a little more, at least, I do a lot of stuff out doors |
| 03:52.21 | Grackle_ | Unfortunately, there isn't much you can do. |
| 03:52.28 | yigal | Grackle_: yes, but just the monitor not the whol n800 |
| 03:52.30 | yigal | fare enough |
| 03:52.39 | yigal | s/whol/&e |
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| 03:52.58 | Grackle_ | You might be able to find a screen protector that decreases glare or something, but that's about it. |
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| 03:53.25 | yigal | Grackle_: yes, I was thinking about something along those lines |
| 03:53.36 | yigal | Grackle_: plus dark sunglasses and an umbrella |
| 03:53.54 | pupnik | oh i wanted to say something clever |
| 03:53.56 | pupnik | what was it |
| 03:54.07 | Grackle_ | Oh sweet, this is the first time I've seen the update notification icon in diablo. |
| 03:54.36 | Grackle_ | It works nicely. |
| 03:54.41 | Grackle_ | Update All |
| 03:55.22 | pupnik | can'tremember |
| 03:55.31 | Navi | I have yet tsee it |
| 03:55.35 | pupnik | but i did drop my n810 onto concrete and it survived |
| 03:55.42 | Grackle_ | hah |
| 03:55.43 | Navi | s/tsee/to see |
| 03:55.50 | pupnik | Navi you were doing some game weren't you?: |
| 03:56.02 | Navi | was I |
| 03:56.29 | Grackle_ | I dropped my N800 onto a hard floor (linoleum tile over concrete), and the battery cover and battery went flying, but it was otherwise fine. |
| 03:57.30 | derf | My N800 has taken some nasty falls onto hardwood at velocity (tripping over power cord, etc.), and is no worse for wear. |
| 03:57.42 | Navi | I've dropped my N800 onto ceramic tile from waist high a few times |
| 03:58.03 | doc|home | ^ not recommended |
| 03:58.09 | Navi | s'all good |
| 03:59.26 | yigal | I found this, so it seems not so bad, I'm definately purchasing an n800, http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000OEERQ0/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top |
| 04:00.49 | derf | yigal: You want the Boxwave one. |
| 04:01.31 | derf | Oh, wait, that is the Boxwave one. |
| 04:01.43 | Navi | XD |
| 04:02.45 | Navi | I've had the boxwave long enoughzto where I've forgotten that the N800 screen is glossy |
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| 06:05.51 | qwerty12 | ~lart notepad++ for dodgy highlight and hurting my eyes at 7:00 AM |
| 06:05.51 | infobot | beats the living hamstercrap out of notepad++ for dodgy highlight and hurting my eyes at 7:00 AM |
| 06:05.58 | qwerty12 | infobot, thanks |
| 06:05.58 | infobot | qwerty12: no problem |
| 06:09.01 | RST38h | yawn |
| 06:09.19 | RST38h | qwerty: I have got automatic x3 magnification working in VGBA |
| 06:09.30 | qwerty12 | RST38h, Brilliant! Thanks :) |
| 06:09.55 | RST38h | also found a bunch of datasheets on OMAP if you are interested |
| 06:10.19 | qwerty12 | datasheets aren't my thing, I don't know much about low level hardware stuff :) |
| 06:10.27 | RST38h | There is a complete datasheet on OMAP3 and also a complete pre-OMAP1 datasheet. Of these two, you can probably approximate OMAP2 :) |
| 06:12.24 | qwerty12 | Ok, [if -x] means if that file exists do this etc... but what's the one for saying if that file doesn't exist? |
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| 06:14.31 | RST38h | inverse of that |
| 06:14.34 | RST38h | a moment |
| 06:15.22 | RST38h | if !-x |
| 06:15.28 | qwerty12 | Thank you |
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| 06:41.26 | zap | lcuk: what you were meaning as "resolution"? Is this the physical screen resolution, or it's just the size of the buffer you're upscaling to 800x480? |
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| 06:47.57 | bex | does the n800 come with two memory card slots, or one? |
| 06:48.10 | qwerty12 | 2 |
| 06:48.52 | bex | hmm |
| 06:48.56 | bex | why do i only see one? |
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| 06:49.17 | qwerty12 | See one physically or software wise? |
| 06:49.40 | bex | physically |
| 06:49.44 | doc|home | bex: take out the battery |
| 06:49.49 | bex | oh |
| 06:49.57 | bex | is it under there? |
| 06:49.57 | doc|home | yeah, they hid it :) |
| 06:50.08 | bex | the other one is pretty hidden too |
| 06:50.12 | qwerty12 | Internal one is behind the battery cover, external slot is revealed when you open up the stand |
| 06:50.28 | qwerty12 | (I know, I had trouble finding the external one when I got my N800 :)) |
| 06:51.01 | bex | how come it doesn't eject? i had to use tweezers on the external one |
| 06:51.16 | doc|home | because that'd take up more space |
| 06:51.19 | qwerty12 | You know that sd cards have a little ridge on the end? |
| 06:51.28 | doc|home | used fingernails |
| 06:51.32 | qwerty12 | ^ |
| 06:51.36 | keesj | but the fun only reall starts when you try to remove the one from the n810. I ended up attaching a tape to it |
| 06:51.51 | qwerty12 | Meh, the N800 battery was a nightmare to remove |
| 06:52.00 | keesj | bex: but you first need to push it |
| 06:53.00 | ShadowJK | anyone got any suggestion for /fast/ minisd cards to use with n810? |
| 06:53.45 | bex | i am looking for one right now |
| 06:53.54 | bex | trying to decide how big of one i need |
| 06:54.14 | bex | how big is kde? |
| 06:54.34 | qwerty12 | Minimum needed is 2gb |
| 06:55.18 | qwerty12 | Shell scripts hate qwerty12. |
| 06:55.38 | bex | is there anyway to use a non-bluetooth gps with it? |
| 06:56.07 | qwerty12 | Set up usbhost and insmod usbserial. I think one guy on here did it. |
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| 06:57.07 | bex | how does that work exactly? |
| 06:57.43 | qwerty12 | No idea, you end up getting a /dev/ttyS* device which maemo mapper. |
| 06:57.59 | bex | what is that? |
| 07:01.32 | bex | would i need a usb port on my gps? |
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| 07:07.35 | ShadowJK | hm, wikipedia says max transfer speed with *sd and SPI is 25mbit/s, I guess the card slots on N800/N810 use spi... |
| 07:08.33 | qwerty12 | Dunno about that but there is a kernel patch that enables a higher unsupported SD speed. |
| 07:12.53 | bex | how is the brand PQI? |
| 07:20.14 | zap | bex: if you mean a company that makes card readers & such, it's the cheapest sh*t I ever seen |
| 07:20.27 | bex | yeah |
| 07:20.33 | bex | cheap is why i was going to buy one |
| 07:20.37 | bex | do you mean quality wise? |
| 07:20.37 | zap | don't |
| 07:20.40 | bex | ok |
| 07:20.40 | zap | you'll regret :) |
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| 07:31.17 | bex | would this work do you think? http://www.semsons.com/blbapafgaeta.html |
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| 07:36.14 | zap | bex: if you're asking me, I can't look right now - disassembled my mouse into pieces :) |
| 07:36.29 | bex | why did you do that? |
| 07:36.36 | bex | and i was asking whoever is listening |
| 07:37.18 | bex | why is this channel so quiet with so many users? |
| 07:37.43 | zap | because its a channel for busy people :) |
| 07:37.52 | zap | but often its not so quiet |
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| 07:41.45 | acydlord | depends on the time of day really, since it's a global community |
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| 07:46.54 | qwerty12 | Wow, tar is slow. Serves me right for using it under windows >.< |
| 07:47.21 | zap | tar is fast |
| 07:47.25 | zap | windoz is slow :-P |
| 07:47.29 | qwerty12 | I know :) |
| 07:53.42 | yigal | derf: thanks for telling me that boxwave is a good product, was away for a few hours, sorry for not thanking you sooner |
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| 08:22.26 | RST38h | Backup time |
| 08:22.38 | Saviq | guys, anyone successfully using a2dp with the remote control capabilities? I've got audio playing, but no way to pause / switch songs? |
| 08:22.51 | Saviq | ~/.a2dpd is set up to use kagu -remote ... |
| 08:22.52 | infobot | okay, Saviq |
| 08:23.09 | qwerty12 | infobot, forget that |
| 08:23.09 | infobot | i didn't have anything called 'that' to forget, qwerty12 |
| 08:23.17 | qwerty12 | heh :/ |
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| 08:42.00 | GNUton | Hi |
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| 09:29.12 | RST38h | Hello Gnuton |
| 09:29.32 | RST38h | Actually, wanted to ask: what is the magic trick to make navigation work in Maemo Mapper? |
| 09:32.48 | pupnik | i'm gonna take a little trip |
| 09:32.55 | pupnik | down paradise's endless lawn |
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| 09:33.00 | pupnik | they say that travel broadens the mind |
| 09:33.05 | pupnik | til you can't get your head out of doors |
| 09:33.11 | pupnik | elvis costello - god's comic |
| 09:33.54 | yigal | how much should I be willing to pay for a near new condition n800? |
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| 09:35.01 | GeneralAntilles | yigal, where are you? |
| 09:36.28 | pupnik | that is decisive |
| 09:36.52 | pupnik | sometimes i think i've had deja-vu before |
| 09:37.11 | bex | is that deja-vu deja-vu? |
| 09:43.42 | pupnik | yeah |
| 09:43.53 | GNUton | hey RST38h |
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| 09:46.25 | qwerty12 | Ok, these are the cflags I'm using, any dodgy ones?: |
| 09:46.26 | qwerty12 | -mcpu=arm1136jf-s -mtune=arm1136jf-s -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp -mabi=aapcs-linux -s -pipe -O3 -ffast-math -fomit-frame-pointer -fforce-addr -fforce-mem -falign-loops=2 -funroll-loops -msoft-float -fstrict-aliasing -mstructure-size-boundary=32 -fexpensive-optimizations -fweb -frename-registers -falign-functions=32 -falign-labels -falign-jumps -finline -finline-functions -funroll-all-loops --param max-unrolled-insns=60 |
| 09:47.02 | qwerty12 | (all copied from this channel :P) |
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| 09:49.07 | RST38h | funroll-loops is unsafe |
| 09:49.21 | qwerty12 | Okie, thanks, removing now. |
| 09:49.28 | RST38h | may also slow things down |
| 09:49.41 | RST38h | at least on a meager ARM |
| 09:50.17 | RST38h | same with unroll-all-loops - you definitely do not want it |
| 09:50.17 | yigal | GeneralAntilles: In America |
| 09:50.22 | RST38h | remove --param as well |
| 09:50.34 | zap | -mabi too |
| 09:50.47 | RST38h | yea, no need for mabi |
| 09:51.05 | qwerty12 | Ah, ok, thank you RST38h & zap |
| 09:51.08 | zap | and -fforce-addr, -fforce-mem |
| 09:51.16 | zap | no need to be smarter than -O* |
| 09:51.18 | RST38h | what are force- flags? |
| 09:51.50 | zap | those are enfoced by miscelaneous -Ox |
| 09:51.50 | zap | various optimizations |
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| 09:51.51 | zap | basically everything that's safe is enabled with -O3 |
| 09:52.03 | zap | and if it's not enabled, I wouldn't recommend it - gcc developers know better than you |
| 09:52.13 | RST38h | I would just leave floating point settings and delete the rest |
| 09:52.16 | zap | -finline-functions could be a cpu I-cache killer too |
| 09:52.19 | pupnik | are -O3 flags optimized for arm? |
| 09:52.28 | zap | they are optimized for everything |
| 09:52.31 | RST38h | It is known that floating point stuff has to be tweaked |
| 09:52.35 | GeneralAntilles | yigal, personally, I wouldn't go over $200. |
| 09:52.39 | pupnik | well then no, they are not optimized for arm |
| 09:52.44 | RST38h | pupnik: it is an arm tool chain :) |
| 09:52.55 | RST38h | so O3 is most likely optimized for arm :) |
| 09:52.57 | GeneralAntilles | yigal, it depends a bit on the time you want to put in, though. |
| 09:53.09 | GeneralAntilles | If you just want to get it _now_, then you may end up a bit over $200. |
| 09:53.15 | zap | pupnik: every machine-specific code in gcc can override -Ox options and enable their preferred optimizations |
| 09:53.17 | RST38h | A new one is $235 |
| 09:53.31 | RST38h | + shipping. So not sure if going over $200 is a good idea |
| 09:53.33 | zap | I would assume gcc/arm developers know that |
| 09:53.40 | GeneralAntilles | $299 at Amazon, RST38h. |
| 09:53.45 | pupnik | ok ty |
| 09:53.48 | RST38h | That is at Amazon |
| 09:53.54 | GeneralAntilles | Where is your $235? |
| 09:53.58 | GeneralAntilles | Nobody else has them in stock |
| 09:54.10 | pupnik | i've seen -Os run faster than -O3 |
| 09:54.14 | zap | I also see no meaning to use both -msoft-float and -mfpu=vfp together |
| 09:54.29 | zap | pupnik: that happens not only on arm |
| 09:54.36 | RST38h | GA: http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=n800&btnG=Search+Products&cid=3395770308078996794&scoring=p |
| 09:54.47 | RST38h | GA: One of them will definitely have it in stock :) |
| 09:54.52 | zap | its because embedded devices likes small code (small CPU caches) |
| 09:54.57 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I went through that list yesterday |
| 09:55.03 | GeneralAntilles | bunch of fly-by-night retailers |
| 09:55.03 | pupnik | 32kB data, 32kB instruction |
| 09:55.06 | GeneralAntilles | I'll pass, thanks. |
| 09:55.11 | zap | yep, damn little caches |
| 09:55.24 | zap | PCs have 2-4Mb nowadays |
| 09:55.30 | zap | and had 128k in the worst times |
| 09:55.31 | RST38h | Well, even if we ignore Brooklyn ghost shops, there are still quite a few left |
| 09:55.53 | kulve | zap: http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2008/05/17/gcc-options-and-floating-point/ |
| 09:56.00 | RST38h | Example: http://www.thenerds.net/NOKIA.Nokia_N800_Internet_Tablet.0276316.html?affid=8&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=0276316^~^NOKIA |
| 09:56.37 | pupnik | i'm quite happy with performance on ARM, but there are a couple of emulators that are designed assuming those larger caches |
| 09:56.45 | zap | kulve: <<Looks like the default for -mfpu is vfp and the default for -mfloat-abi is soft>> |
| 09:56.47 | pupnik | particularly dosbox |
| 09:56.56 | RST38h | http://www.despercia.com/nokia-n800.html?utm_source=Froogle&utm_medium=Comparison+site&utm_term=Nokia+N800&utm_campaign=Nokia+N800 (I would call this one on the phone though) |
| 09:57.23 | RST38h | pupnik: the cache thing - unavoidable in a lot of applications |
| 09:57.49 | RST38h | pupnik: when CPU manufacturer tells you how fast his CPU is, always ask about memory bus performance and cache sizes |
| 09:58.41 | RST38h | Because about 75% of really useful applications will require at least 512kB cache to run fast, OR fast SDRAM bus |
| 09:59.10 | pupnik | yeah... our limit is mainly power consumption |
| 10:00.31 | kulve | modern cpus start to use little power when the power management in the sw side works properly.. |
| 10:00.42 | RST38h | it is a trade off between power and memory speed, yes |
| 10:01.17 | RST38h | kulve: you are forgetting that once you start something like dosbox, there is no way to use 'little power' as your cpu runs in a busy loop |
| 10:01.44 | RST38h | So, the power management stuff mainly applies to situations where device is not doing anything anyway |
| 10:02.46 | kulve | most apps are idle most of the time. Apps that aren't, needs to be fixed. I don't see why an emulator would be any different from that.. |
| 10:03.40 | kulve | ofc, e.g. playing video on a low end device like n8x0, will take all the cpu there is and then there's nothing one can do |
| 10:04.15 | kulve | emulators tend to need also quite a lot of cpu power, but I'm not really familiar with them.. |
| 10:05.47 | kulve | but when playing e.g. oggs on n8x0 it's idle 80% of the time |
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| 10:10.50 | pupnik | sounds about right |
| 10:13.09 | pupnik | i can't speculate about what circumstances might allow an emulator to go idle |
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| 10:13.59 | pupnik | but i'm quite sure they're so seldom that it is not worth coding-for |
| 10:14.05 | sbaturzio | Aloha! |
| 10:14.14 | pupnik | ciao |
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| 10:22.04 | yigal | GeneralAntilles: ok, then I will try to less than $220, not too much work for this price but not so bad either |
| 10:22.10 | yigal | GeneralAntilles: thank you |
| 10:22.22 | GeneralAntilles | Sure |
| 10:22.40 | GeneralAntilles | Wish they hadn't discontinued it. . . . :\ |
| 10:22.51 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia really needs to always have a tablet in that price range. |
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| 10:25.31 | yigal | GeneralAntilles: I was shocked at the n810's price, couldn't stomache it but then I realized the n800 is almost as good, except for the glossy screen - which I can cover - so I am happy once again |
| 10:25.43 | GeneralAntilles | Eh, the N800 started at $400 |
| 10:26.01 | GeneralAntilles | Really, $200 is a fantastic deal, and $350 is a good deal. ;) |
| 10:26.53 | yigal | GeneralAntilles: I'm poor so I'm glad the n800 is around :) |
| 10:27.03 | GeneralAntilles | and both screens are glossy |
| 10:27.04 | bex | can anyone recommend a cheap bluetooth gps receiver? |
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| 10:27.12 | GeneralAntilles | The N810's is just transflective. |
| 10:27.25 | GeneralAntilles | bex, get an MTK-based i-Blue or Holux |
| 10:27.31 | GeneralAntilles | i-Blue 737 is nice |
| 10:27.41 | bex | to use with my n800 |
| 10:28.01 | GeneralAntilles | or 770, or N810 |
| 10:28.03 | GeneralAntilles | Doesn't matter. |
| 10:28.12 | bex | k |
| 10:28.27 | bex | why those 2? |
| 10:28.39 | GeneralAntilles | Because those are the best brands |
| 10:28.44 | bex | oh ok |
| 10:29.02 | bex | i didn't even know what these strange "gps receivers" with no display were when i first saw them |
| 10:29.14 | pupnik | gotta run |
| 10:29.45 | GeneralAntilles | Later, pupnik. :) |
| 10:29.53 | bex | if i am going to be downloading maps, what size sd card do you think i'll need? |
| 10:30.12 | GeneralAntilles | 4-8GB is in the good price range right now |
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| 10:32.14 | bex | well it only holds 8gb i believe |
| 10:32.20 | bex | is that per slot or total do you know? |
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| 10:32.41 | GeneralAntilles | Er, the hardware can handle up to 2048GB |
| 10:32.53 | bex | that's not what the nseries site says |
| 10:33.03 | bex | oh i meant for the n800 not the gps |
| 10:33.04 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, well, they don't know what they're talking about. ;) |
| 10:33.21 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia just tested the N800 when 8GB was about the most available. |
| 10:33.30 | bex | oh |
| 10:33.34 | GeneralAntilles | It has SDHC support, so it supports anything SDHC |
| 10:33.39 | bex | ok |
| 10:33.41 | GeneralAntilles | Which goes up to 2048GB |
| 10:33.42 | bex | that's good to know |
| 10:33.55 | GeneralAntilles | You can drop two 32GB cards in there right now without issue. |
| 10:34.05 | bex | wow |
| 10:34.26 | GeneralAntilles | Assuming you have $300 to drop on two 32GB cards, that is. |
| 10:34.28 | bex | yeah |
| 10:34.41 | bex | i think i will have no use for my ipod now |
| 10:34.54 | bex | well i guess it's smaller |
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| 10:36.33 | bex | i tried using plazer but it didnt work |
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| 10:42.55 | fnordianslip | hi all. |
| 10:43.34 | fnordianslip | after upgrading to diablo and buggering about with loads of stuf, i notice that canola2 has no text visible. any ideas? |
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| 11:28.17 | tuukkah | where can i see an example of what i should and could have in sources.list on diablo? |
| 11:30.11 | bex | how do you even edit sources.list? |
| 11:30.13 | tuukkah | for example, i'm puzzled that there's no http://repository.maemo.org/dists/diablo/free/ |
| 11:30.32 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:30.33 | GeneralAntilles | http://pastebin.ca/1062953 |
| 11:30.33 | tuukkah | bex, you can use the application manager repository config, or a text editor like vi |
| 11:30.54 | bex | yeah i had to do it through the application manager |
| 11:31.01 | GeneralAntilles | Er, tuukkah, why? |
| 11:31.07 | bex | it doesn't come with a default text editor , does it? |
| 11:31.16 | tuukkah | bex, there's vi |
| 11:31.22 | bex | k |
| 11:31.42 | GeneralAntilles | tuukkah, that'd be deb http://repository.maemo.org/ diablo free non-free |
| 11:31.42 | tuukkah | GeneralAntilles, i was missing a lot of packages and they're in http://repository.maemo.org/dists/chinook/free/ |
| 11:32.03 | tuukkah | GeneralAntilles, sorry, i meant such a uri doesn't exist |
| 11:32.24 | tuukkah | (... returns 404) |
| 11:32.56 | GeneralAntilles | This is what you're after: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/diablo/free/ |
| 11:32.56 | tuukkah | that's where i try to install nano and less from =) |
| 11:33.16 | tuukkah | GeneralAntilles, extras seems to be different from non-extras, at least in the case of chinook |
| 11:33.29 | GeneralAntilles | Non-extras is the SDK repo. . . . |
| 11:33.47 | GeneralAntilles | [7:31am] <GeneralAntilles> tuukkah, that'd be deb http://repository.maemo.org/ diablo free non-free |
| 11:34.35 | tuukkah | GeneralAntilles, that one for chinook works, but for diablo it gives a 404 |
| 11:34.52 | GeneralAntilles | sighs. |
| 11:34.53 | GeneralAntilles | http://repository.maemo.org/dists/diablo/sdk/free/ |
| 11:37.04 | tuukkah | ok so /dists/diable/sdk corresponds to /dists/chinook ? |
| 11:37.17 | tuukkah | plus /dists/diablo/tools - that's where nano seems to be |
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| 11:39.27 | tuukkah | how do i write that in sources.list? |
| 11:40.26 | tuukkah | ok, deb http://repository.maemo.org diablo/tools free non-free |
| 11:41.13 | GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/development/tools/ |
| 11:41.24 | tuukkah | found it, thanks |
| 11:41.44 | lcuk | is melting his head with svn |
| 11:42.54 | tuukkah | looks good, now there's only the "(expected diablo but got )" warning |
| 11:43.26 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody else notice an updated tablet-browser-daemon? |
| 11:43.52 | lcuk | i havent even got diablo yet so thats unlikely |
| 11:44.11 | GeneralAntilles | Well, you're obviously excluded from that question. :P |
| 11:44.21 | lcuk | \o/ |
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| 11:46.19 | crashanddie | lcuk, didn't you reflash a couple days ago ? |
| 11:46.24 | bex | GeneralAntilles: what is the collabora repository? |
| 11:46.32 | crashanddie | O HAI LCUK btw |
| 11:46.38 | lcuk | no crashanddie, i thought about it when it was quiet |
| 11:46.39 | GeneralAntilles | It's got the telepathy plugins for rtcomm. |
| 11:48.14 | bex | is pidgin the best chat program to use? |
| 11:48.24 | GeneralAntilles | Not in my opinion |
| 11:48.28 | GeneralAntilles | big and bloaty and unpleasant |
| 11:48.34 | GeneralAntilles | use the built-in one, instead. |
| 11:50.51 | bex | but that one only uses jabber doesnt it? |
| 11:51.04 | GeneralAntilles | and SIP and GTalk |
| 11:51.06 | beavis | it doesnt |
| 11:51.06 | bex | or google talk |
| 11:51.07 | bex | yeah |
| 11:51.11 | beavis | and and and.. |
| 11:51.13 | GeneralAntilles | but the collabora repo contains the telepathy plugins |
| 11:51.13 | bex | not aim? |
| 11:51.18 | beavis | aim too |
| 11:51.27 | GeneralAntilles | So just install the appropriate plugins from that repository. |
| 11:52.20 | bex | oh |
| 11:52.23 | bex | is that what it does? |
| 11:53.43 | bex | i don't understand what the telepathy plugins are for |
| 11:54.33 | GeneralAntilles | They add services for rtcomm. |
| 11:54.50 | bex | i guess i will find out in a minute |
| 11:57.33 | bex | well i installed haze but i don't know what it did |
| 11:57.38 | bex | i don't know what rtcomm is |
| 11:57.44 | GeneralAntilles | account-telepathy-plugin too |
| 11:57.51 | GeneralAntilles | It's the built-in chat framework. . . . |
| 11:57.58 | GeneralAntilles | http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 11:59.23 | tuukkah | i would add the sources.list lines to the new wiki, but i don't know where. any suggestions? |
| 11:59.53 | bex | oh sweet |
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| 12:01.21 | crashanddie | ~curse g++ |
| 12:01.22 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, g++ ! |
| 12:01.44 | GeneralAntilles | tuukkah, don't. |
| 12:01.52 | GeneralAntilles | Too user and version specific |
| 12:02.05 | bex | what is the best program for video calls? |
| 12:02.18 | GeneralAntilles | bex, depends |
| 12:02.21 | bex | are any of them free to call a line? |
| 12:02.24 | GeneralAntilles | rtcomm with GTalk, Gizmo or aMSN. |
| 12:02.41 | bex | gtalk has video? |
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| 12:02.55 | GeneralAntilles | tablet-to-tablet |
| 12:03.21 | bex | i thought i heard gizmo was free to call regular phones |
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| 12:03.44 | crashanddie | depends which country you're in, I guess |
| 12:03.55 | bex | US |
| 12:03.57 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, isn't it a bit early for you to be on IRC on a Saturday morning? |
| 12:04.29 | tuukkah | GeneralAntilles, ok. thanks for your help! |
| 12:04.47 | GeneralAntilles | Quite possibly, crashanddie. ;) |
| 12:09.03 | bex | does anyone know if maemoscrobbler works with canola2? |
| 12:10.33 | GeneralAntilles | Er, Canola2 has a last.fm plugin. . . . |
| 12:12.05 | bex | oh |
| 12:12.15 | bex | i did not see many options in it |
| 12:12.44 | GeneralAntilles | It scrobbles. |
| 12:12.49 | tuukkah | ouch, any workarounds for Bug 2772: Metalayer Crawler adds all oggs from Map application (with large CPU and memory usage) |
| 12:12.57 | bex | yeah but where do you put in your login info |
| 12:13.12 | GeneralAntilles | In settings, maybe? |
| 12:13.22 | bex | nope |
| 12:13.28 | GeneralAntilles | Yep. |
| 12:13.30 | bex | maybe i have to find the plugin/ |
| 12:13.41 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, like I said, it's a plugin |
| 12:13.43 | GeneralAntilles | It has to be installed |
| 12:13.44 | bex | oh ok |
| 12:13.46 | GeneralAntilles | It's in Extras |
| 12:15.43 | kulve | tuukkah: not an easy one. You can open the metalayer's sqlite db and change the mime type |
| 12:16.49 | kulve | tuukkah: https://garage.maemo.org/forum/message.php?msg_id=4089 |
| 12:20.21 | tuukkah | kulve, stopping metalayer crawler is "invoke-rc.d metalayer-crawler0 stop"? |
| 12:21.42 | kulve | yeah, I think so |
| 12:22.27 | bex | hmmm i still don't see it in settings |
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| 12:25.11 | lardman | "morning" |
| 12:25.44 | lcuk | passes lardman a brew |
| 12:26.28 | lardman | not special- I trust :) |
| 12:26.48 | lcuk | of course not |
| 12:27.12 | lcuk | my eldest made me a coffee this morning and it was like water |
| 12:27.40 | lcuk | hows your optimization coming lardman |
| 12:27.55 | tuukkah | thanks kulve, a nice hack! |
| 12:28.36 | lardman | lcuk: I've re-written the code to use a thread and shared memory, time to compile and see where the mistakes are |
| 12:28.40 | kulve | tuukkah: np :) |
| 12:29.07 | lcuk | its a shame its so blind, any luck in finding anything timing related |
| 12:29.21 | lardman | lcuk: no, afraid not |
| 12:29.27 | lcuk | booo |
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| 12:29.48 | lcuk | right, moving to 810 - youngest is wanting to play puzzlefarter |
| 12:29.51 | lardman | lcuk: I might have to just run bits of code to test them, but it's time consuming writing a test harness which will feed in valid data, etc |
| 12:30.35 | lcuk | yer i know that feeling - early on i had to find timing info. have you considered posting to the dsp ML? |
| 12:31.05 | lardman | lcuk: I didn't get much joy the last time I posted there |
| 12:32.34 | lcuk2 | thats abit of a shame, does ssvb know anything about the dsp, or otherrs |
| 12:33.19 | lardman | ssvb has done some testing, kulve has too |
| 12:34.40 | lcuk2 | i wonder where all the dsp coders hangout |
| 12:36.22 | lardman | they probably have to do some much during the day that they don't want to do any in their spare time :) |
| 12:36.58 | lcuk2 | lol |
| 12:37.37 | lcuk2 | isnt that the same with a lot of what we do |
| 12:38.23 | lardman | well I don't do DSP programming for my day job, so perhaps I am willing to do it at other times |
| 12:38.57 | lcuk2 | im trying to get my head around svn at the mo |
| 12:39.31 | lcuk2 | i dont do anything like this in my dayjob, but would be more than happy to |
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| 12:40.02 | lardman | lcuk2: what do you need to know about svn? |
| 12:40.07 | lardman | hi qwerty12_N800 |
| 12:40.19 | qwerty12_N800 | hi lardman |
| 12:41.09 | lcuk2 | lardman, basically everything, im trying to learn whats needd without screwing up my own code or the garage repo |
| 12:41.54 | lcuk2 | ive made the mistake of playing with git first and am liking what i am seeing |
| 12:42.34 | lardman | svn add, svn commit |
| 12:42.39 | lardman | svn delete |
| 12:42.44 | lardman | all pretty easy |
| 12:42.49 | lcuk2 | how do i tell it who i am |
| 12:42.59 | lardman | you have to add the code to the repo first, then extract it somewhere, and use it from there |
| 12:43.11 | lardman | what's your Garage url? |
| 12:43.28 | lcuk2 | ummm its under liqbase |
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| 12:43.36 | sp3000 | shouldn't it generally pick that up from login |
| 12:43.39 | lcuk2 | am on 810 sp its hard to grab |
| 12:43.56 | lardman | https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=716 |
| 12:44.08 | sp3000 | 'user' heh |
| 12:44.13 | lardman | ah, doesn't say how to create it |
| 12:44.58 | lardman | http://artis.imag.fr/~Xavier.Decoret/resources/svn/index.html for example, you want to import an existing project |
| 12:45.37 | lardman | svn import /trunk/liqbase/ file://home/gary/liqbase/ -m "Initial import" |
| 12:45.38 | sp3000 | but I suppose it should pick it up from the login to the other end, no? |
| 12:45.40 | lcuk2 | yer sp3000, but im gonna need to tell it who i am.. ill read that when i get big machine back |
| 12:46.06 | lardman | X-Fade: ping |
| 12:46.26 | lardman | X-Fade: might be worth having a "how to get your code into SVN in Garage" page somewhere |
| 12:47.02 | lcuk2 | lol lardman, this would prob be easier if i had //n810/dev/liqbase available |
| 12:47.14 | lcuk2 | ive got tortoise on windows |
| 12:47.36 | lcuk2 | i think there is, its just the command line that scares me |
| 12:47.55 | lardman | lcuk2: Windows? How do you compile? On the N810? |
| 12:48.00 | lcuk2 | yer |
| 12:48.12 | qwerty12_N800 | https://wiki.maemo.org/Getting_started_with_Maemo_Garage#Establishing_SVN |
| 12:48.17 | qwerty12_N800 | may help |
| 12:48.22 | lcuk2 | :) hence the difficulties |
| 12:48.25 | lardman | Well you could probably find a GUI client for windows that makes life easier |
| 12:48.57 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: thanks, I'd not seen that before |
| 12:49.04 | lcuk2 | but i cant find a free sshfs now can i get ummm network sharing working |
| 12:49.21 | lcuk2 | nor can i get |
| 12:50.03 | lcuk2 | i think its just ima hacker not a project manager |
| 12:50.40 | lcuk2 | knows his limits |
| 12:50.42 | lardman | svn's worth it once you set it up, then you just type commit and up go your changes |
| 12:50.44 | lardman | nice and easy |
| 12:50.57 | lardman | pita to work out how to do it first time though :) |
| 12:51.32 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk2, I think winscp does sshfs |
| 12:51.41 | lcuk2 | yer and not being able to spread around and play first is doubly unhelpful |
| 12:51.56 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, stick up a wiki page? |
| 12:52.13 | GeneralAntilles | Oh, qwerty12 linked it. |
| 12:52.15 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: qwerty12_N800 just pointed out a page |
| 12:52.20 | sp3000 | this reminds me, I should learn to not suck at git |
| 12:52.23 | lcuk2 | qwerty, yes but not integrated as a windows drive that i can use tortoise on |
| 12:52.34 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: I'll ask X-Fade to stick a link to that page on the SCM page in the Garage projects |
| 12:52.52 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk2, ah, i see, i'll look around |
| 12:52.57 | lcuk2 | sp git was easy for me to setup and quick from the basic tests ive looked at |
| 12:53.15 | sp3000 | like, squashing away commits that turned out to be broken |
| 12:53.44 | lardman | I think they are probably much of a muchness for these small projects with very few contributors |
| 12:54.03 | lardman | The OE mailing list had lots of discussion about what to use a few years back |
| 12:54.24 | lcuk2 | well it seems logical and the repo is just self contained in the project |
| 12:54.30 | GeneralAntilles | guesses he doesn't have commit access to the adv-backlight svn. |
| 12:54.33 | GeneralAntilles | pokes rm_you with a stick. |
| 12:55.05 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: So you going to come over for the Berlin do? |
| 12:55.17 | GeneralAntilles | Highly unlikely |
| 12:55.25 | tuukkah | are there better ideas than to have /home/user/MyDocs as a symlink to /media/mmc2/MyDocs? i don't quite see how the special dirs are supposed to be used |
| 12:55.25 | lcuk2 | boooooo gen |
| 12:55.27 | lcuk2 | apply |
| 12:55.46 | GeneralAntilles | I don't want to get in the way of somebody who's actually going to be able to go. |
| 12:56.18 | lcuk2 | but gen, you have done a great deal of good in this community |
| 12:56.30 | lcuk2 | we all wanna buy you a beer |
| 12:56.31 | GeneralAntilles | There'll be other get togethers. :P |
| 12:56.38 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: We'll do a whip around for a passport |
| 12:57.20 | lcuk2 | isnt reggie american |
| 12:57.30 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 12:57.38 | lcuk2 | sneak in his luggage |
| 12:57.38 | lardman | it's a long flight in a suitcase |
| 12:57.44 | lardman | :) |
| 12:57.46 | lcuk2 | heh |
| 12:57.53 | GeneralAntilles | Still doesn't fix scheduling. :P |
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| 12:58.52 | lcuk2 | ok gen, i know it conflicts with your furries conference, but for one year they will just have to find themselves another mascot |
| 12:59.22 | GeneralAntilles | <_< |
| 12:59.36 | lardman | lcuk2: I've got a conference that week too, I'll have to see if I can escape in time to go for a couple of days |
| 13:00.33 | lcuk2 | oooer lard, its the fri/sat that maemo part is isnt it |
| 13:00.47 | GeneralAntilles | 19th/20th |
| 13:01.00 | lardman | yeah, I'm not sure if my conf finishes on Thursday or Friday though |
| 13:01.53 | lcuk2 | we wll just put a cardboard cutout of you and gen up on stage |
| 13:02.28 | lcuk2 | record your tracks and playback with an 800 head |
| 13:03.03 | Atarii | is there a guide to compiling on the device? |
| 13:03.04 | lardman | hmm, I'll have to think of something to talk about too |
| 13:03.06 | Atarii | (for noobs) |
| 13:03.27 | lardman | Atarii: ask lcuk2, he seems to like that sort of madness ;) |
| 13:03.34 | lcuk2 | at leasr this time i have something to say |
| 13:04.11 | lcuk2 | atarii, ill chat to you in a bit if you remind me, its tough on nit typing |
| 13:04.35 | lcuk2 | i still feel like a noob |
| 13:04.57 | lcuk2 | there is so mjch i still dont know and not enough time to learn |
| 13:05.11 | lardman | that's life |
| 13:05.21 | lardman | it's a case of choosing wisely |
| 13:05.37 | lcuk2 | ive got a load of partial modules needing my attention - liqbase as you have are just the stable element |
| 13:06.49 | lcuk2 | but i need to get it up on svn so others can try to do the bits i cant - packaging initially |
| 13:08.12 | qwerty12_N800 | packaging is quite easy :) (but I'm a dodgy packager so you know...) |
| 13:08.32 | lcuk2 | i alsothink ive found a way to add new modules without having to go to a central location to teach the app whats available |
| 13:09.08 | lcuk2 | ie to grow new features quickly without effecting anything else |
| 13:09.50 | lcuk2 | yer qwerty but on 810 i donthave all tools available |
| 13:10.07 | lcuk2 | hence the interest in andlinux |
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| 13:10.59 | Atarii | lcuk, it would be helpful to get a nudge in the right direction later on please, what i need to install to get started etc |
| 13:11.15 | lcuk2 | ok np |
| 13:11.27 | Atarii | i can keep busy atm converting my "2in1" adapter so it fits in my 770 |
| 13:11.28 | GeneralAntilles | Isn't there an on-device sdk package, now, that'll get you started pretty well? |
| 13:11.37 | qwerty12_N800 | hmm, once you got a proper debian folder set up, you may be able to just dpkg-buildpackage off the device (not sure what deps would be needed though) |
| 13:11.50 | lcuk2 | it will help me as well, ill talk and document whwile im goiing it should be on the wiki |
| 13:12.04 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk2++ ;) |
| 13:12.07 | lcuk2 | buildpackage isntt avail |
| 13:12.40 | Atarii | im hoping to learn so i can compile the rt73 drivers on it |
| 13:12.44 | lcuk2 | gen, i need it documenting for when i change to diablo |
| 13:13.13 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, it shouldn't be hard to compile :), if someone wont do it, i'll try later |
| 13:13.18 | lcuk2 | atarii, big projects dont work to well, there is no autoconf tools |
| 13:14.00 | lcuk2 | qwerty i gthink its the other deps |
| 13:14.28 | qwerty12_N800 | goes on debian packages to check them out |
| 13:14.46 | lcuk2 | autoconf was a killer for me, it wanteddto replace debiantools which would have vaped everything |
| 13:15.27 | qwerty12_N800 | remind me later, i'll hack up a package that doesn't interfere |
| 13:15.45 | qwerty12_N800 | (do you use diablo or chinook sdk?) |
| 13:16.08 | lcuk2 | at the mo im in chinook but that will change |
| 13:17.47 | lcuk2 | right, im gonna grab some breakfast, thanks for the chat guys at least i know i have some direction ill readback in a bit and followup on stuff |
| 13:18.17 | qwerty12_N800 | breakfast? :p |
| 13:18.36 | lcuk2 | heh |
| 13:19.08 | qwerty12_N800 | I see what you mean about dpkg-buildpackage, i could build the stuff but then you have busybox problem. |
| 13:20.18 | lcuk2 | .. |
| 13:20.57 | lcuk2 | i forgot i could walkaround with this |
| 13:21.26 | lcuk2 | ive never taken you lot around my crib before :p |
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| 13:21.38 | qwerty12_N800 | :p |
| 13:22.20 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk2, I always have my N800 in my pocket when I'm at home. |
| 13:23.04 | lcuk2 | i do as well but i dont useinternet normally i sketch and plan |
| 13:23.58 | lcuk2 | i lookd back through it all lastnight - im tempted to do microsketch twittering |
| 13:27.26 | lcuk2 | gen, how do you make sure you dont break it, ive got mine in a semihard pda pouch |
| 13:27.52 | lcuk2 | still curses missus for losing his |
| 13:28.35 | lardman | thinks of a fry up |
| 13:29.17 | GeneralAntilles | Break it? |
| 13:29.20 | GeneralAntilles | They're pretty durable |
| 13:29.31 | GeneralAntilles | I don't keep my keys in that pocket for one thing, though. |
| 13:29.35 | lcuk | im always afraid of walking into the corner of a desk with it |
| 13:29.53 | lcuk | ive got a nasty couple of scratches on it |
| 13:29.53 | GeneralAntilles | and I have the softcase it shipped with in my pocket all the time. |
| 13:29.58 | GeneralAntilles | lol . . . |
| 13:30.02 | GeneralAntilles | Learn to walk? :P |
| 13:30.12 | GeneralAntilles | Screen faces towards my thigh, though. |
| 13:30.15 | lcuk | :P |
| 13:30.21 | lcuk | shit happens |
| 13:31.16 | lardman | it's hard when you walk like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wippooDL6WE |
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| 13:32.40 | Atarii | classic |
| 13:33.43 | lcuk | lardman :) typically english |
| 13:33.55 | GeneralAntilles | I should probably uninstall the Flash 10 beta |
| 13:34.14 | GeneralAntilles | it didn't fix the flash-lockups and managed to completely break YouTube |
| 13:34.27 | lcuk | and you are right, my nokia would be deceased before to long |
| 13:35.29 | lcuk | "i have a silly program, and i'd like to obtain a nokia grant to help me to develop it" ;) |
| 13:37.21 | crashanddie | only one grant |
| 13:37.23 | crashanddie | ? |
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| 13:38.21 | lcuk | crashanddie, :) start small |
| 13:38.46 | crashanddie | and some guy at Nokia is going "ONE GRANT ??? YOU CALL THAT SMALL ?" |
| 13:39.19 | lcuk | they dont know how many zeros it has yet, the beancounters will have a haertattack :D |
| 13:39.35 | lcuk | and a heartattack as well |
| 13:39.44 | crashanddie | heh |
| 13:39.51 | crashanddie | now there's an idea |
| 13:51.39 | t_s_o | do beancounter even have hearts? |
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| 13:52.24 | lcuk | t_s_o, yes, but they are typically made of stone |
| 13:52.34 | t_s_o | hmm, explosives then... |
| 13:52.36 | sp3000 | what else would they count on a full moon |
| 13:53.38 | lcuk | i think up until recently the best way to send shockwaves through a beancounter would be to tell them their codebase is being GPLed |
| 13:54.26 | lcuk | right im actually going to cook my bacon now, ill b back later |
| 13:58.16 | Atarii | i just had a bacon wrap |
| 13:58.25 | Atarii | its like your my brother from another mother |
| 14:00.45 | lardman | enough of the talk about bacon, it's disturbing my concentration, I'm being pulled to the kitchen.... |
| 14:02.04 | GeneralAntilles | eats a tuna melt. |
| 14:02.22 | lcuk2 | lardman, what i want to know is why have you got 'bacon' setup as a highlight phrase in xchat :p |
| 14:02.32 | lardman | lol |
| 14:03.01 | lardman | I do a whois on every bacon phrase and work out how long it would take to get there :) |
| 14:03.13 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 14:03.55 | lcuk2 | lol |
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| 14:19.43 | pupnik | http://youtube.com/watch?v=N6vW2uWsro0 This Mortal Coil - Another Day |
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| 14:57.11 | lardman | is feeling brain-fade |
| 14:57.33 | lcuk | heh i just typed "arghhhhhhhh" for exactly the same reason |
| 14:58.21 | lcuk | is it bad of me to consider waiting until i am with people at the summit to get hands on help sorting out the svn? |
| 14:58.21 | lardman | I didn't think this shared memory sync stuff would take quite such brain power to work out the process |
| 14:59.13 | lardman | install svn on your N810 and just follow the command line instructions? |
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| 14:59.22 | qwerty12 | Pray? |
| 15:00.29 | lcuk | i think it is lard, but the instructions talk about setting up proxy repos and not actually updating from where i dev |
| 15:01.27 | lardman | ah, forget that stuff |
| 15:01.40 | lardman | I develop directly in my local checkout |
| 15:01.49 | lardman | with a backup of course :) |
| 15:02.15 | lcuk | but lardman, wont that upset your mojo if other devs start working and you are part way through editing something |
| 15:02.42 | lardman | perhaps, but it's not an issue atm |
| 15:02.48 | lcuk | the proxy gives you the space to grab and see the changes to other locations without impacting your working layout |
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| 15:03.06 | lardman | well that's easy enough, you could do it manually |
| 15:03.56 | lcuk | im sure it is, im just not that confident with it all yet. maybe i need more wine |
| 15:04.31 | lardman | in the first instance it will only be you using it, so just give it a go |
| 15:04.43 | lardman | hmm, wine |
| 15:04.54 | lardman | need to drive later so best not :) |
| 15:05.18 | lcuk | pours you a virtual glass anyway |
| 15:06.12 | lcuk | ok lardman :) ill give it a try and see if i can just configure and update directly |
| 15:06.21 | lardman | cool |
| 15:07.09 | lcuk | how did you tell svn who you are and stuff |
| 15:08.16 | lardman | --username developername |
| 15:08.31 | lardman | it will then ask for your password |
| 15:08.39 | lcuk | but i dont have to put that in the command line each time |
| 15:08.57 | lardman | only when you create or checkout for the first time |
| 15:09.08 | lardman | after that it's saved in the metadata (hidden dir) |
| 15:09.32 | lcuk | ok, as long as i can transfer myself to a big machine when i get funds to get one |
| 15:10.39 | lardman | oh yeah, you can just abandon your checkout (after "svn commit"'ing any changes and check out somewhere else |
| 15:11.34 | lcuk | i get the feeling im gonna break the internet today |
| 15:12.04 | lardman | lol I was a bit worried that I'd knacker the svn server when I started |
| 15:12.44 | lardman | ~lart segfaults |
| 15:12.44 | infobot | runs at segfaults with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut |
| 15:14.55 | lardman | can I do this: while(*(sbc->input_flag)==1) |
| 15:15.06 | lardman | where input_flag is a pointer to a short |
| 15:15.10 | lardman | or do I need to do some casting? |
| 15:15.33 | derf | No, that's fine as-is. |
| 15:15.52 | lardman | hmm, my segfault must be coming from something else |
| 15:16.00 | lcuk | might not be |
| 15:16.03 | derf | What's the value of the pointer? |
| 15:16.04 | lcuk | if the pointer is out of scope |
| 15:16.22 | derf | Or of sbc, for that matter. |
| 15:16.37 | lcuk | yer.. |
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| 15:17.06 | lcuk | while(sbc && sbc->input_flag && *sbc->input_flag==1) |
| 15:17.19 | derf | No, that's dumb. |
| 15:17.24 | lardman | sbc must exist |
| 15:17.34 | lardman | and it does, as the rest of the code works |
| 15:17.38 | lcuk | i know, but it confirms each step is valid |
| 15:17.42 | derf | You need to _understand_ why something might become NULL before you start throwing in random NULL checks. |
| 15:17.45 | lardman | I'll output the values and see what's going on |
| 15:17.53 | lardman | lcuk: will be slow too |
| 15:18.20 | lcuk | i know it will be slow |
| 15:18.45 | derf | Segfaults let you know that you don't understand something about your code. Papering over the symptoms is not the correct way to fix it. |
| 15:18.48 | lcuk | those are simply all the things needing checking before using the single *==1 check |
| 15:19.53 | lardman | out of interest, is *sbc->input_flag the same? |
| 15:20.14 | lcuk | yes |
| 15:21.12 | derf | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_operations#Mathematical_precedence |
| 15:21.24 | lardman | WaitForInputBuffer: sbc=3197269200 |
| 15:21.24 | lardman | WaitForInputBuffer: *sbc=0 |
| 15:21.24 | lardman | WaitForInputBuffer: sbc->input_flag=4294967295 |
| 15:21.38 | lardman | derf: thanks |
| 15:22.23 | lardman | apparently a segfaul on the line which was to print the value of *(sbc->input_flag) |
| 15:22.51 | derf | Suggesting it's not a valid pointer. |
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| 15:23.08 | derf | (and giving the lie to lcuk's assumption that anything non-NULL is valid) |
| 15:23.41 | derf | Man, that Wikipedia list doesn't include the comma operator. |
| 15:23.46 | derf | They should be ashamed of themselves. |
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| 15:24.24 | fnordianslip | isn't 4294967295 = -1 ? |
| 15:24.41 | lardman | ah, might well be |
| 15:24.44 | derf | Yes. |
| 15:25.01 | lardman | regrets not error checking his mmap call |
| 15:26.42 | lcuk | derf, my original note said out of scope |
| 15:26.58 | lcuk | not necessarily null :P |
| 15:27.25 | derf | Sure... I'm just talking about the code you wrote. |
| 15:28.09 | lcuk | yer it wouldnt have worked |
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| 15:30.03 | lardman | let's see what perror has to say about it |
| 15:30.18 | macoute | do i have any means too make a videocall to a pc on n8x0? |
| 15:30.39 | derf | If by "PC" you mean "Windows box", then yes. |
| 15:31.33 | macoute | derf: and what do you mean by windows box? :) does that include linux/mac os too? |
| 15:31.40 | derf | macoute: No. |
| 15:31.55 | macoute | derf: why is that? |
| 15:32.02 | lcuk | lardman, you said earlier that you take backups - isnt svn meant to be a method for managing your own backups as well |
| 15:32.13 | derf | Because you have to download and install Nokia's special client application. |
| 15:32.27 | derf | Which, AFAIK, is only available for Windows. |
| 15:32.34 | qwerty12 | Nokia have one? |
| 15:33.10 | macoute | ok. i heard something about building the linuc-version of skype from sources would do the trick? |
| 15:33.20 | lcuk | is skype os? |
| 15:33.54 | macoute | linux ? |
| 15:34.13 | lcuk | open source |
| 15:34.16 | macoute | s/linuc/linux |
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| 15:34.28 | lardman | lcuk: probably, I just don't know how to use it well enough |
| 15:34.31 | macoute | lcuk: afaik no, btw |
| 15:34.53 | macoute | thats maybe wwhy i couldnt find anything frim google ;) |
| 15:34.59 | derf | Oh, it's gone now anyway. |
| 15:35.00 | lcuk | lardman :) sounds like how im gonna be working then |
| 15:35.01 | macoute | damn typos |
| 15:35.01 | derf | http://web.archive.org/web/20070819023102/http://videovoip.tableteer.nokia.com/ |
| 15:35.13 | derf | I never used it, so I had no idea. |
| 15:35.18 | lardman | Error attempting to mmap: : No such device ah-ha |
| 15:35.30 | derf | lardman: "Oops". |
| 15:35.42 | qwerty12 | macoute, dunno if you need microphone but aMSN does webcam iirc |
| 15:35.48 | lardman | yeah, might make things a bit difficult :) |
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| 15:37.47 | lardman | not sure why though |
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| 15:42.48 | lardman | hmm, all caused by a missing symbol in the dsp task |
| 15:43.23 | lardman | curious as the dsp task descriptor was checked |
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| 15:58.11 | RST38h | moo, all |
| 15:58.31 | qwerty12 | ello |
| 15:58.33 | RST38h | lardman: so, any progress? =) |
| 15:58.45 | GeneralAntilles | moof |
| 15:58.50 | RST38h | qwerty: ehlo (c)sendmail |
| 15:59.06 | lardman | RST38h: what with? SBC? |
| 15:59.14 | qwerty12 | RST38h, GPLed? :P |
| 15:59.30 | qwerty12 | (Or maybe not...) |
| 15:59.33 | lardman | RST38h: in which case yes, just trying to work out how to get a DSP thread to sleep for some timeout |
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| 16:01.35 | RST38h | qwerty: bsd license afaik, but we are talking direct quote here! |
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| 16:01.54 | lardman | hmm, 33,000,000 system ticks at 330MHz should equal 100000 us? |
| 16:02.07 | qwerty12 | Hehe, they try anything on me, I'll get out the kitchen knife :P |
| 16:02.24 | RST38h | lardman: do you want it to sleep or is busy loop ok on dsp side |
| 16:02.44 | lardman | RST38h: sleep would be better really, busy loops are bad ;) |
| 16:02.45 | RST38h | ? |
| 16:04.33 | lardman | In fact I'm doing shorter sleeps and counting how many times I wake |
| 16:04.39 | lardman | so I can time out |
| 16:04.54 | RST38h | can you use ogg decoder as an example |
| 16:04.55 | RST38h | ? |
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| 16:05.11 | lardman | as an example of what? |
| 16:05.35 | RST38h | as an example of making dsp sleep of course!:) |
| 16:05.58 | lardman | dunno, I've not looked at the timing code in that |
| 16:07.13 | lardman | TSK_sleep(system ticks) looks like the answer anyway |
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| 16:07.41 | RST38h | aha |
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| 16:15.29 | RST38h | tsk tsk tsk sleep |
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| 16:21.56 | kkrusty | a general question; which editors do you use to develop for maemo? |
| 16:21.58 | qwerty12 | Is there an easy way to update the md5sums and Installed Size of a deb package instead of me running md5sum on each file and removing the location where the deb was unpacked and me guessing the installed side? :/ |
| 16:22.10 | qwerty12 | s/side/size/ |
| 16:22.16 | GeneralAntilles | kkrusty, how about vim? |
| 16:23.21 | RST38h | kkrusty: pico! |
| 16:23.38 | RST38h | or nano |
| 16:23.50 | kkrusty | GeneralAntilles: I should confess that I've been a VS zombie. I've gotten into the habit of having a debugger embedded into the IDE |
| 16:24.11 | derf | kkrusty: You'll quickly get out of that habit. |
| 16:24.25 | derf | Since there isn't a single one worth a damn. |
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| 16:25.27 | kkrusty | nano + gdb it is then. About vim I find it hard to remember the keys |
| 16:25.54 | GeneralAntilles | Print out a cheat sheet. |
| 16:25.57 | derf | vim takes about 5 years to really get used to. |
| 16:26.22 | GreyFoxx | Does nano do syntax highlighting ? |
| 16:26.27 | RST38h | kkrusty: for a quick and dirty vs replacement try genie |
| 16:26.45 | GreyFoxx | ViM is my editor of choice, and one of the things I like is the integration with ctags and the syntax highlighting |
| 16:26.57 | GreyFoxx | and the fact that pretty much any *nix machine already has vi on it:) |
| 16:27.15 | derf | Don't get me wrong, I love vim. |
| 16:27.20 | derf | I wouldn't use anything else, personally. |
| 16:27.25 | kkrusty | so do you mostly use gdb without a frontend? |
| 16:27.29 | derf | But it does have a fairly steep learning curve. |
| 16:27.57 | GreyFoxx | derf I agree, but I switched to only vi 11 years ago and it was hard for a week |
| 16:28.03 | GreyFoxx | but after that it became habit |
| 16:28.21 | derf | Sure, you can be _functional_ in a week. |
| 16:28.24 | GreyFoxx | now I'm messed up using notepad so I have to install vim for windows :) |
| 16:29.06 | RST38h | vi sucks |
| 16:29.24 | derf | But I've been using vi for 14 years now, and I'm still finding out new things about it. |
| 16:29.41 | GreyFoxx | def: true enough, Im always learning new things |
| 16:30.41 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, get out of here with that pico/nano nonsense. :P |
| 16:31.40 | RST38h | has been using pico for 10 years now |
| 16:31.41 | RST38h | it is better than vi - it has got Arrows! |
| 16:31.54 | derf | Hahaha. |
| 16:32.10 | yigal | RST38h: do you program in pico? :) |
| 16:32.35 | GreyFoxx | The first time I had to fix a broken system, with no net connection to install another editor and literally 3 floors down in a concrete bunker was the same day I started learning Vi :) |
| 16:32.36 | RST38h | weird how we have not got a single emacs fanboy here |
| 16:32.45 | RST38h | yigal: yes. |
| 16:33.02 | derf | Emacs is even harder to learn than vi. |
| 16:33.21 | pupnik810 | emacs is crazy |
| 16:33.31 | RST38h | uses vi when there is no other chice though |
| 16:33.46 | yigal | emacs is fine but it's too complicated |
| 16:33.48 | yigal | for me |
| 16:34.03 | GreyFoxx | emacs is an OS, not a editor, heh |
| 16:34.49 | yigal | emacs is a way of life but then again some say this about vim and they could be right |
| 16:34.53 | RST38h | I am not gonna believe any editor based on ai programming language - you never know what it is doing with your code |
| 16:35.35 | RST38h | May be just counting braces, but may be attempting to breed too... |
| 16:35.41 | yigal | it has a speach impediment it has a lisp |
| 16:38.13 | lcuk | kkrusty, i use komodo edit in windows - ive got it configured to look like vs, and it feels like it as well. no debugging but thats not important for me |
| 16:38.18 | GeneralAntilles | Oh, that's fun, HP took down the drivers for my printer. :\ |
| 16:38.29 | qwerty12 | ouch |
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| 16:39.01 | RST38h | Ga: that is their polite way of telling you to buy a new printer |
| 16:39.14 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, thanks. : |
| 16:39.30 | RST38h | If not you, who is gonna improve their q3 results? |
| 16:40.30 | GeneralAntilles | My mouse is broken again, too. |
| 16:40.31 | GeneralAntilles | Fun day |
| 16:40.53 | RST38h | is sitting in a train Moscow->Vilnius btw |
| 16:41.21 | RST38h | So this connection is gonna expire any moment =) |
| 16:41.38 | GreyFoxx | Some sort of |
| 16:41.45 | GreyFoxx | GPRS or bluetooth to cellphone ? |
| 16:42.02 | RST38h | gprs on a phone |
| 16:42.05 | GreyFoxx | ahhh |
| 16:42.22 | RST38h | it is e70 - easier to type on than n810 |
| 16:42.28 | GreyFoxx | heh |
| 16:43.01 | kkrusty | lcuk: Well the rest dont have debugging either. Also how do you compile if you're on linux? |
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| 16:43.13 | kkrusty | *not on |
| 16:43.23 | RST38h | 159km, still ticking... |
| 16:43.32 | lcuk | what operating system does my n810 run? |
| 16:43.39 | GreyFoxx | heh |
| 16:43.50 | RST38h | lcuk: amigaos? |
| 16:43.55 | lcuk | heh, i wish |
| 16:44.11 | kkrusty | lcuk: so you send it there and compile it? |
| 16:44.15 | lcuk | nai mean natively before someone fishes out the amiga emulator |
| 16:44.26 | pupnik810 | hehe |
| 16:44.35 | lcuk | kkrusty, other way round, dev files are maintained directly on the device |
| 16:44.37 | pupnik810 | still needs a frontend |
| 16:44.48 | RST38h | kkrusty: Have you read maemo sdk documentation? |
| 16:44.58 | lcuk | when im out of the office so to speak i use khertans pygtkeditor :) |
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| 16:45.34 | lcuk | but with ssh i can edit on any machine and thankfully komodo is multi platform so im happy |
| 16:45.36 | kkrusty | RST38h: I think I have. |
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| 16:46.10 | kkrusty | RST38h: not completely but what I know is that you can either develop with scratchbox or on the device |
| 16:46.19 | RST38h | kkrusty: then you must know what debugging options are available? |
| 16:46.52 | RST38h | you can develop in sb AND DEBUG on the device |
| 16:47.15 | kkrusty | RST38h: Yes I know that. I've been trying to have debugging work on Eclipse+SBox but that doesnt seem to work. |
| 16:47.17 | lcuk | doesnt like cross compiling - i would prefer an arm desktop |
| 16:47.42 | RST38h | you can develop in sb and debug on an emulator but qemu sucks moose balls in terms of compatibility |
| 16:47.59 | RST38h | kkrusty: ditch eclipse |
| 16:48.03 | kkrusty | RST38h: so you need an emulator/device for debugging? |
| 16:48.08 | qwerty12 | lcuk, sbrsh sounds like your sort of thing but you need linux and a shitload of time and patience :/ |
| 16:48.17 | kkrusty | RST38h: thats exactly what I've just decided. |
| 16:48.54 | RST38h | kkrusty: no there is a third option but it is also sucky |
| 16:49.07 | lcuk | qwerty12, bleugh yer, its just another layer of complexity to an already complex system |
| 16:49.27 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, get yourself a beagleboard when they come out. |
| 16:49.41 | lcuk | kkrusty, trust your judgement, put plenty of debug messages in and deal with one problem at a time |
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| 16:49.56 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, i looked at linuxtag, they are quite spiffy |
| 16:50.12 | RST38h | compile for maemo-x86 and debug |
| 16:50.19 | derf | Hey, just be happy you aren't debugging on VxWorks. |
| 16:50.21 | RST38h | anyways, pico+make+scp do it for me and I am used to debugging with printfs |
| 16:50.35 | derf | Back when I had to use it, it didn't even have memory protection. |
| 16:51.05 | lcuk | derf, since i started on this device i assumed there were no actual runtime debugging methods available |
| 16:51.08 | kkrusty | RST38h: maemo-X86 sucks too? |
| 16:51.16 | derf | One invalid pointer write and you'd have to reboot the whole board. |
| 16:51.49 | lcuk | must be a bitch for the mars rover developers |
| 16:52.10 | derf | And since nothing would actually crash when the original error occurred, it would take 8 hours to debug 20 lines of code. |
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| 16:56.28 | GeneralAntilles | keesj, you won a Beagle? |
| 16:56.46 | GeneralAntilles | So did flo_lap and Kate Alhola. . . . |
| 16:58.30 | pupnik810 | bbl |
| 17:00.02 | keesj | GeneralAntilles: yes |
| 17:00.10 | GeneralAntilles | Hate you. :P |
| 17:00.54 | keesj | did get it yesterday |
| 17:01.17 | keesj | I am happy soldering and building all from source " all so happy " |
| 17:02.11 | GeneralAntilles | You gonna get Maemo going on it? |
| 17:02.51 | Psykosis | Woot - got Milkytracker compiled and running on OS2008. :) |
| 17:03.02 | Psykosis | Now need to figure out how the heck to make a deb file. lol |
| 17:03.03 | keesj | I don't think so , there is already a OE based system for it. |
| 17:03.54 | keesj | I want to be more bussy with lower level things (like jtag) and hardware |
| 17:04.11 | keesj | So I guess I am going with the flow and see |
| 17:04.46 | keesj | + there is no touch screen so hildon is not really what I want |
| 17:05.00 | GeneralAntilles | Good point |
| 17:05.30 | keesj | I will see if it make sence to use mamona on it. |
| 17:06.13 | keesj | lardman was also requested at #beagle for his dsp twists |
| 17:06.44 | lardman | keesj: What's that keesj? |
| 17:06.52 | lardman | I should lurk on beagle? |
| 17:07.14 | lardman | that I can do |
| 17:07.56 | keesj | please do |
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| 17:10.37 | lardman | right, the buffer problems are sorted, now I just have to work out whether my loops & sleeps are on the same order of magnitude on the DSP & ARM |
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| 17:21.11 | lcuk | keesj, does the beagle graphics card support yuv, is it in need of some graphical bandaging or is it nice and quick |
| 17:21.14 | lcuk | ;) |
| 17:21.31 | Psykosis | Is there a good tutorial on how to make a deb package somewhere? The page on maemo.org is giving me a 403... |
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| 17:22.51 | yigal | Psykosis: this is the original it goes into depth http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 17:22.56 | lcuk | Psykosis, khertan has a maemo program called pypackager |
| 17:22.57 | lcuk | http://khertan.net/pypackager/ |
| 17:23.09 | lcuk | it includes some good stuff and a link to what yigal just mentioned |
| 17:23.21 | Psykosis | Excellent - Thank you. :) |
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| 17:26.24 | keesj | lcuk: I don't know |
| 17:27.03 | flo_lap | got it two days ago... and built an image with OE but no time to test it yet |
| 17:31.28 | Jaffa | Psykosis: you might also find http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/ useful |
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| 17:35.23 | keesj | GeneralAntilles: what would you do with a BeagleBoard? |
| 17:35.36 | GeneralAntilles | Nothing particularly productive |
| 17:35.38 | GeneralAntilles | Most just play |
| 17:35.44 | GeneralAntilles | s/Most/Mostly/ |
| 17:35.57 | keesj | like maemo :p |
| 17:36.04 | GeneralAntilles | Yeppers |
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| 17:37.04 | lcuk | keesj, could it be used as a development environment for maemo: ie desktop system with keyboard display and native compilation without scratchbox of binaries for use in maemo? |
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| 17:39.02 | keesj | lcuk: do you develop under sbox / arm ? |
| 17:39.17 | lcuk | no, i compile natively on 810 |
| 17:42.25 | keesj | lcuk: I don't think it would make sence no. you might aswell develop on the n810 in that case. even under sbox what happens is cross compilation |
| 17:44.06 | Jaffa | keesj: presumably the larger display and keyboard would be the interesting things |
| 17:44.14 | forge | :) |
| 17:44.28 | forge | Maybe he has full screen kb in his 810 ? |
| 17:44.36 | lcuk | keesj, im only thinking speed and i find the idea of an entirely virtual development process mind boggling. its just extra layers. the omap3 is much faster than my 810 and so would give a productivity boost |
| 17:44.42 | forge | usb or some other, and then he's using some whacky usb display port :o |
| 17:45.08 | lcuk | forge, no i use ssh to actually work on the files on windows (or any os handy) and when on the road use pygtkeditor on the device |
| 17:45.20 | forge | :) |
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| 17:45.41 | lcuk | but now i have started to look at c++ compilation time is rising towards my frustration threshhold and im just thinking of a way out |
| 17:46.00 | lcuk | and a £100 desktop replacement would be feasible |
| 17:47.16 | lcuk | especially if the same binary could be built and tested on either device |
| 17:47.19 | Jaffa | Presumably, if nothing else, you could use the armel Maemo SDK rootstrap in a chroot on whatever OS runs on the Beagle board |
| 17:47.25 | Jaffa | Actually, that'd be very cool. |
| 17:48.21 | lcuk | i might have to just bite the bullet and get a scratchbox thing setup, but it makes my head spin |
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| 17:49.42 | keesj | lcuk: as long as you don't write asm I think you should just develop under x86 with all the very nice profiling tools (valgrind) |
| 17:50.12 | keesj | and cross-compile , specialy if you don't have to many weird depenencies |
| 17:50.13 | lcuk | i write visual things which need the touchscreen |
| 17:50.16 | RST38h | I am back! |
| 17:50.22 | lcuk | i cant test and debug on x86 |
| 17:50.50 | RST38h | keesj: x86 is not the same as armel |
| 17:51.40 | RST38h | cant debug lots of stuff there |
| 17:51.52 | keesj | and profiling is not the same a guessing where performance problems are laying |
| 17:53.06 | keesj | I you use hildon I guess that you need to use the sbox. |
| 17:53.47 | lardman | hmm TSK_sleep() doesn't appear to return, ever |
| 17:54.10 | keesj | RST38h: what kind of bugs are you talking about that don't happen on x86 and do on arm? |
| 17:54.21 | lcuk | lardman, thats because its doing what you asked it to - maybe its waiting for another call in a seperate thread/process to wake it up |
| 17:56.26 | lardman | lcuk: It should just sleep for x number of clock ticks |
| 17:56.36 | lcuk | http://objectmix.com/dsp/301177-tsk_sleep-called-swi-routine-never-returns.html |
| 17:56.58 | lcuk | TSK_sleep cannot be called from a SWI or HWI... |
| 17:58.06 | keesj | but I must say that oprofile also looks very good |
| 17:58.30 | lardman | lcuk: This is not a sofware interrupt handler |
| 18:02.57 | lardman | hmm, this might be the show stopper though "TSK_sleep cannot be called from the program’s main() function." |
| 18:03.22 | lardman | Where can it be called from then I wonder? |
| 18:04.05 | lcuk | another thread? |
| 18:04.11 | lcuk | anyway, rebooting for andlinux, back soon |
| 18:04.26 | lardman | I'm in another thread already, but calling it from the main() of that thread |
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| 18:07.09 | lardman | I wonder if it's related to the clock() fn not working |
| 18:08.58 | RST38h | keesj: x86 has different performnce profile, memory latency, it misses omap hw completely |
| 18:08.59 | lardman | hmm, /* no CLK objs */ comment in avs_kernelcfg.conf doens't sound too promising |
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| 18:10.05 | RST38h | clock() (posix) is dependent on the system services |
| 18:11.25 | lcuk | but if it exists and compiles it shouldnt return duff results surely? |
| 18:11.35 | lardman | no idea |
| 18:12.08 | lardman | I'll just try a proper busy loop |
| 18:12.13 | lardman | food first though |
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| 18:18.25 | lcuk | lardman, is there a reason why you cannot use CLK_gethtime() ?? http://focus.ti.com/lit/ug/spru404n/spru404n.pdf page 70 describes it and talks specifically about 2420 |
| 18:18.36 | lcuk | *for when you get back |
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| 18:23.07 | lcuk | jaffa, are you watching now or later |
| 18:23.28 | Jaffa | lcuk: later. At in-laws. Will get off, erm, some sources I can't disclose - but are fully legal. Let's say my PVR. |
| 18:23.58 | lcuk | bbc iplayer is even better - direct over flash about 10minutes after end of program |
| 18:24.16 | lcuk | no waiting for download and quality is surprisingly high |
| 18:24.17 | Jaffa | lcuk: this is like iPlayer, but from BBC R&D :) |
| 18:24.47 | lcuk | nice |
| 18:24.52 | lardman|cooking | lcuk: I'm guessing that clock() hides a call to one of those CLK_ fns |
| 18:25.12 | lcuk | im still keeping my eyes open for a way to get it playing well on my 810 |
| 18:25.25 | lardman|cooking | lcuk: I'll try it out after supper though |
| 18:25.34 | lcuk | lardman, it may well do, enjoy your mael |
| 18:25.34 | Jaffa | lcuk: the iPhone-style hacks might present something which play back well on the N810. Not tried it, tho |
| 18:25.36 | lcuk | meal |
| 18:26.17 | lcuk | jaffa, maybe - id hope to simply watch the standard flash stream but thats a bit of a pipedream |
| 18:26.20 | GeneralAntilles | HAVA works nicely. |
| 18:26.51 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: is it all Windows PC based, or is it an online service? |
| 18:27.00 | qwerty12_N800 | Jaffa, The iphone one only works in mplayer in black & white >.< according to a post. |
| 18:27.10 | Jaffa | qwerty12_N800: ah, fair enuf. |
| 18:27.25 | GeneralAntilles | Setup has to be done on a Windows machine (or vm) |
| 18:27.35 | GeneralAntilles | but it has a client just for the tablets. |
| 18:27.37 | GeneralAntilles | http://myhava.com/ |
| 18:27.46 | GeneralAntilles | It's basically a slingbox |
| 18:27.54 | lcuk | qwerty12_N800, black and white... that rings bells for me and makes me think the yuv is just being decoded incorrectly or intentionally ignoring the chroma components |
| 18:28.47 | Jaffa | Oh, FFS. My mother-in-law's put it on in the dining room "to see what happened". After she talked all through last weeks and so I'm waiting until I can watch it in peace. And then she starts talking about a) who's in it, and b) that she'll turn it off when I go in. I'm not going anywhere *near* that TV :) |
| 18:29.06 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 18:29.12 | qwerty12_N800 | i'm pissed too about iplayer :(, i'd like to watch eastenders w/out resorting to transmission |
| 18:29.22 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: so you need your Windows PC to be on? |
| 18:29.42 | lcuk | qwerty12_N800, someone your age should not be watching eastfluffingenders (unless you want to see your mates in it) |
| 18:29.42 | GeneralAntilles | Just for the first setup out of the box |
| 18:29.51 | GeneralAntilles | It's completely independent after that |
| 18:29.55 | GeneralAntilles | I used vmware. ;) |
| 18:30.05 | Jaffa | So where's the media come from? |
| 18:30.08 | Jaffa | should read more |
| 18:30.12 | GeneralAntilles | The cablebox |
| 18:30.17 | lcuk | a settop box |
| 18:30.22 | GeneralAntilles | It sits inline between the stb and tv |
| 18:30.29 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, can't stop me now :p. been watching for *years* |
| 18:30.37 | GeneralAntilles | IR blaster to control the stb |
| 18:31.00 | Jaffa | Oh, right. I see. Hadn't realised/remembered it was h/w based. |
| 18:31.16 | Jaffa | qwerty12_N800: I bet you watch Neighbours, too. |
| 18:31.23 | Jaffa | Anyway, TV apparently off. Will risk eating food. |
| 18:31.40 | lcuk | qwerty12_N800, all the good work you have done and such a promising future completely overshadowed by your fascination with dot cotton :P |
| 18:31.50 | qwerty12_N800 | Nah, neighbours never appealed to me. |
| 18:32.12 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, i keep a picture under my pillow ^-^ ;p |
| 18:32.20 | qwerty12_N800 | *:P |
| 18:32.34 | lcuk | *BLEUGH* |
| 18:33.01 | GeneralAntilles | pokes rm_you with a stick again. |
| 18:33.10 | qwerty12_N800 | Now that Jim's gone, I may get a chance... :P |
| 18:35.25 | keesj | I have a deambox dm600 is any chance on streaming to the n810? |
| 18:36.10 | qwerty12_N800 | keesj, how is it? i've always wanted a dbox2. |
| 18:37.51 | keesj | I must say it works better then I expected, I did spend one day flashing the thing. and getting it to work but now it works like a charm |
| 18:38.16 | keesj | the nice thing is that I don't need a remote control any more as I can use the web interface. |
| 18:38.19 | lcuk | does anybody know of a small garage project which is setup with proper debian folders (/src /debian etc) which i could checkout and examine and use as a template for mine |
| 18:39.19 | lcuk | all i can find are polar opposites: documentation on the layout or massive sprawling packages or incomplete/broken stuff |
| 18:40.14 | keesj | I need to setup vlc on my machine |
| 18:40.21 | keesj | (food time) |
| 18:40.26 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, There's a few, adv-backlight and if you are feeling like a big challenge, mplayer. |
| 18:41.11 | keesj | lcuk: I think my first project is still "nice" https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=62 |
| 18:41.14 | lcuk | well.... adv-backlight doesnt put into a /src folder and so im not sure what would happen |
| 18:41.27 | lcuk | thanks keesj ill have a look |
| 18:42.10 | keesj | but we all need to use mud :p |
| 18:42.21 | lcuk | also, adv-backlight (rm_you read this..) has a tiny problem with its installation into sudoers - it just appends to the end, shouldnt it use visudo or whatever to handle locking |
| 18:42.39 | keesj | so put the source in svn and aks mudders to package |
| 18:42.42 | lcuk | we do, but if i get my project into proper debian stance i will be better in the longrun |
| 18:43.26 | keesj | I am still a debian rookie so perhaps not such a good example after all |
| 18:43.50 | lcuk | keesj, im looking around everywhere |
| 18:44.02 | lcuk | you have something up and have used svn, you arent that much of a rookie |
| 18:44.51 | keesj | lcuk: inz helped me the first day's |
| 18:45.26 | keesj | this is the "structure" i made https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/home-applets/cosy-bookmarks/?root=cosy-home |
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| 18:46.55 | lcuk | keesj, im getting a great deal of help already and the more projects i get to look at the better i will be to understand how it all fits together |
| 18:47.56 | lcuk | things still elude me, like how do i sort out binary versioning - im used to going to project properties and setting auto increment |
| 18:48.46 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, if you don't want to append to sudoers, you can make a file in /etc/sudoers.d/ (we'll call it liqbase.sudoers) and put your sudo lines in there and call update-sudoers from postinst |
| 18:50.10 | lcuk | qwerty12_N800, nice! thank you - i knew there was a proper way to do it. this little nugget is being stored away |
| 18:51.43 | lardman|cooking | hmm, #define TSK_sleep(nticks) (SEM_pend(&TSK_timerSem, nticks)) |
| 18:51.58 | lardman|cooking | I'm not sure of the behaviour when a semaphore doesn't exist |
| 18:52.16 | lcuk | puts his hand up |
| 18:52.27 | lcuk | lardman - i bet it will cause an infinite loop :D |
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| 18:52.48 | lardman|cooking | probably just sits there as it never increments |
| 18:52.50 | lardman|cooking | :) |
| 18:53.07 | lardman|cooking | #define TSK_time() KNL_curtime |
| 18:53.17 | lardman|cooking | looks more promising, at least for timing things |
| 18:53.54 | lcuk | if the granuality isnt very high you could also do what ive done in the past... ive used household scales to accurately weigh 2pence pieces |
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| 18:54.02 | [A2K] | hi, it's me again. |
| 18:54.09 | [A2K] | with more stupid questions :) |
| 18:54.36 | lcuk | hi [a2k], we are here, and we have more stupid answers for you :) |
| 18:54.45 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe |
| 18:55.14 | jott | prepares his rubber chicken |
| 18:55.22 | [A2K] | i tried to use default browser on n810. it is good and very comfortable to use, but is there some way to add firefox plugins to it? adblock, noscript, maybe vimperator? |
| 18:56.17 | qwerty12_N800 | ones that use xul can't be used on the n810 :( |
| 18:56.39 | jott | adblock exists though. |
| 18:56.55 | jott | i had it on chinook but it was quite slow. |
| 18:56.55 | lcuk | using a backdoor hack |
| 18:57.09 | qwerty12_N800 | jott, iirc, that's managed with separate app |
| 18:57.13 | lcuk | it tags itself to the page dom doesnt it |
| 18:57.50 | [A2K] | :( |
| 18:57.53 | Kegetys | some adblock i tried made the whole browser unbearably slow on all pages |
| 18:58.20 | [A2K] | ok, so, maybe there is some another good browser? |
| 18:58.22 | jott | http://browser-extras.garage.maemo.org/news/ well long time no new posts here |
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| 18:58.49 | qwerty12_N800 | CSS + maybe hosts file works a lot better on the n8*0 than adblock |
| 18:59.25 | bohawjes | hey, what is the best combo to use pc desktop remotely with nokia tablet? |
| 18:59.26 | jott | opera 9.5 would be spiffy ;) |
| 18:59.27 | lcuk | depending on the router/intermediate hardware something like proximatron would be good |
| 18:59.30 | qwerty12_N800 | jott, check the svn, they have some plug-ins they haven't released :) |
| 18:59.36 | bohawjes | vnc viewer and some vnc server? |
| 18:59.53 | jott | qwerty12_N800: not released => slow and broken as adblock?! ;) |
| 19:00.12 | lardman|cooking | lcuk: Looks like the semaphore exists, but I assume nothing posts to it so it's never incremented |
| 19:00.19 | qwerty12_N800 | jott, dunno, haven't tried them ;) |
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| 19:00.31 | jott | bohawjes: if you connect to a windows host i would prefer rdp, other os like linux/osx vnc is the way to go |
| 19:00.34 | [A2K] | i don't think that opera 9.5 will be compiled for maemo, they are closedsourse. |
| 19:00.54 | bohawjes | ok, jott. i will try rdp. thanks |
| 19:01.19 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800 ++ CSS and hosts file is the way to do ad-blocking on the tablets. |
| 19:01.42 | [A2K] | next question. it looks like n810 does not use HSDPA (only UMTS) when connecting using mobile phone (nokia e51). i get only 400-800 kbits per second.. |
| 19:01.56 | GeneralAntilles | It's DUN limiting. |
| 19:02.08 | [A2K] | O_o is there some way to remove it? |
| 19:02.11 | RST38h | what is wrong with adblock? |
| 19:02.20 | GeneralAntilles | Er, "remove it"?. . . . |
| 19:02.27 | [A2K] | remove this limit |
| 19:02.27 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, it's slow as all get out. |
| 19:02.29 | Jaffa | [A2K]: Bluetooth PAN, rather than DUN. |
| 19:02.43 | [A2K] | Jaffa: nokia phones does not support PAN :( |
| 19:02.49 | Jaffa | Really?! |
| 19:02.51 | GeneralAntilles | [A2K], it's a limit of the protocol. You can't "remove it". |
| 19:02.57 | lcuk | then get one that does |
| 19:03.05 | [A2K] | Jaffa: i don't see PAN profile in my e51 |
| 19:03.30 | RST38h | motorola z10 should do pan |
| 19:03.49 | qwerty12_N800 | meh, never liked motos :/ |
| 19:04.04 | [A2K] | i just bought e51 today |
| 19:04.07 | qwerty12_N800 | pocket pc phones do pan |
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| 19:04.19 | lcuk | a2k, i thought features and profiles were at the behest of the phone provider, if you have a cheap payg phone the feature you request may simply be disabled |
| 19:04.23 | [A2K] | and i sold my old wm-based glofiish x800 =\ |
| 19:04.35 | Jaffa | Sony Ericsson obviously best for non-Smartphones |
| 19:04.46 | Jaffa | lcuk: not so much in the UK/Europe, but definitel in the US |
| 19:04.49 | [A2K] | lcuk: provider can't diasble bluetooth PAN in phone... |
| 19:04.53 | RST38h | glofish <-- deserves death |
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| 19:05.05 | [A2K] | RST38h: yes, they do |
| 19:05.30 | lcuk | my o2 phone has 3g super quick modem inside but i cant get at it from outside |
| 19:05.54 | lcuk | i always thought it was simply cos its a cheapy £40 layg |
| 19:05.58 | lcuk | payg |
| 19:06.08 | lcuk | :D layg phones are painted red |
| 19:06.11 | Jaffa | lcuk: no, O2 don't have an HSPDA network |
| 19:06.21 | lcuk | its got 3g though? |
| 19:06.43 | qwerty12_N800 | yes, they do have umts iirc |
| 19:07.03 | [A2K] | can n810 connect to inetret by ad-hoc network? i think there is some software to make symbian phone wifi access point.. |
| 19:07.03 | Jaffa | Yes. OK, admittedly your *account* may not have 3G access enabled, but the phone itself won't have the feature disabled. |
| 19:07.21 | GeneralAntilles | [A2K], get ready for 2-hour battery life. |
| 19:07.22 | Jaffa | [A2K]: yes, ad-hoc wlan is supported |
| 19:07.30 | RST38h | alway thought umts was 3g voice and hsdpa was 3g data |
| 19:07.31 | [A2K] | great |
| 19:07.39 | RST38h | wrong? |
| 19:07.44 | GeneralAntilles | HSDPA is 3.5G |
| 19:07.51 | RST38h | oh |
| 19:07.51 | Jaffa | RST38h: what GA said. |
| 19:07.53 | GeneralAntilles | UMTS is 3G |
| 19:08.02 | RST38h | ok |
| 19:08.20 | [A2K] | afaik UMTS can transfer data on EDGE speed |
| 19:08.31 | RST38h | is there some special name for 3g voice and data protocols? |
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| 19:08.44 | [A2K] | RST38h: UMTS :) |
| 19:08.44 | qwerty12_N800 | edge is slower then umts :/ |
| 19:08.58 | RST38h | if umts is data then how is voice called? |
| 19:08.58 | Jaffa | EDGE is 2.75G, GPRS is 2.5G |
| 19:09.04 | Jaffa | RST38h: UMTS |
| 19:09.21 | RST38h | amps is 2g then?:) |
| 19:09.29 | GNUton | :) |
| 19:09.39 | GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mobile_phone_standards |
| 19:10.01 | [A2K] | HSCSD is 2G |
| 19:10.40 | RST38h | ga: you are giving this url to somebody with 416x352 screen and a gprs uplink (no edge) |
| 19:10.53 | RST38h | repent!:) |
| 19:11.13 | GeneralAntilles | There's, like, 1 image. |
| 19:11.21 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, should make for good reading then :p |
| 19:12.12 | [A2K] | bluetooth PAN support is not enabled in nokia n810 by default. it is developed non-officialy. is it really good? |
| 19:12.19 | GeneralAntilles | It works fine |
| 19:12.24 | GeneralAntilles | It's just not well supported in the GUI. |
| 19:12.35 | RST38h | is rereading amber spyglass as we speak |
| 19:12.49 | [A2K] | btw, can i install zsh or just normal bash? |
| 19:13.00 | RST38h | was found on E: drive by chance |
| 19:13.14 | qwerty12_N800 | cept in Diablo where you may as well use ad-hoc for now |
| 19:13.20 | qwerty12_N800 | (bt-pan) |
| 19:13.35 | GeneralAntilles | [A2K], nitapps.com for bash. |
| 19:14.01 | [A2K] | added to bookmarks, thx. |
| 19:14.19 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, love that series. |
| 19:15.11 | qwerty12_N800 | Any good? Been watching too much films, a book would be nice. :) |
| 19:15.21 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, fantastic |
| 19:15.27 | RST38h | yes, theyare very good |
| 19:15.28 | GeneralAntilles | the series is easily on my top-ten list. ;) |
| 19:15.39 | qwerty12_N800 | Thanks, will check it out. |
| 19:15.53 | RST38h | films are just hollow |
| 19:16.10 | lcuk | well you could fill in the hole in the middle of the dvd |
| 19:16.16 | GeneralAntilles | Films are a visual medium. |
| 19:16.16 | lcuk | but i doubt thats the kind of hollow you mean |
| 19:16.33 | GeneralAntilles | 2001 is a good example of something that really uses the medium. |
| 19:16.43 | lcuk | and it uses the long |
| 19:16.46 | RST38h | I do not even watch dvds... |
| 19:16.58 | [A2K] | looks at list of console stuff and gets shocked |
| 19:17.35 | GeneralAntilles | now has to watch the 2001 docking scene again. <_< |
| 19:18.28 | lcuk | (open the pod bay doors HAL) - . (========== |
| 19:18.31 | [A2K] | one more question. is there some alternative to package manager? apt-get/apt-cache works fine and very fast, but default package manager i too slow |
| 19:18.58 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:21.05 | [A2K] | omg |
| 19:21.10 | [A2K] | it just deleted all repos |
| 19:21.11 | [A2K] | O.o |
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| 19:26.06 | [A2K] | whre does it store sources.list? |
| 19:26.14 | [A2K] | /etc/apt/sources.list is just blank |
| 19:26.19 | [A2K] | but it has repos |
| 19:26.25 | Jaffa | Debian & Ubuntu both now use /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ now. |
| 19:26.33 | [A2K] | oh.. |
| 19:26.41 | Jaffa | Maemo the same. |
| 19:26.58 | [A2K] | is old-school user :P |
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| 19:28.28 | lcuk | bleugh, im gonna go play fro a bit |
| 19:29.00 | GeneralAntilles | The problem with movies is that most filmmakers try to treat them like novels on film. |
| 19:29.32 | GeneralAntilles | but film is a visual medium, so that doesn't really work. |
| 19:31.21 | [A2K] | is there some way to disable light-off? |
| 19:31.46 | [A2K] | i hate whan i read book and it just switches off lights |
| 19:32.09 | [A2K] | no, i don't read too slow |
| 19:32.37 | [A2K] | just learning few programming languages and reading books with lot of source codes. |
| 19:32.59 | GeneralAntilles | Set the screen timeout insanely long? |
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| 19:33.17 | GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/moredimmingoptions/ |
| 19:33.20 | [A2K] | it can be set up to 2 mines (allready done) |
| 19:33.33 | [A2K] | minutes* |
| 19:34.39 | [A2K] | and i need good e-mail client. that default has much problems with russian encoding. |
| 19:35.06 | [A2K] | (do not offer gmail please) |
| 19:35.29 | bohawjes | does anyone here have a nokia tablet with "loose" touchscreen surface? |
| 19:35.50 | GeneralAntilles | Er, as in, it wiggles around? |
| 19:35.58 | GeneralAntilles | or it's slightly spongey? |
| 19:35.59 | bohawjes | i mean that you can feel it moving when tapping etc. and it makes it almost impossible to use with fingers |
| 19:36.07 | bohawjes | spongey is good word |
| 19:36.14 | GeneralAntilles | I have 1 N800 like that |
| 19:36.18 | GeneralAntilles | both of my 770s are like that |
| 19:36.21 | [A2K] | ok, i think i got it. "dude, this is linux, if you want something - do it yourself" :) |
| 19:36.28 | GeneralAntilles | Actually, I find the spongey N800 more accurate with fingers. |
| 19:37.02 | GeneralAntilles | The wiki is soooooo slooooooow |
| 19:37.12 | bohawjes | i have this 770, it's not usable with fingers at all |
| 19:37.24 | bohawjes | i have to use nails if i don't have stylus available |
| 19:37.34 | JamieBennett | Spongy is all to do with the type of touch screen, its pressure sensitive |
| 19:37.51 | Grackle_ | The 770 has quite a bit of squish, my N800 has barely noticable squish. |
| 19:38.10 | GeneralAntilles | JamieBennett, not quite. |
| 19:38.15 | Grackle_ | Actually, I cannot detect any squish. |
| 19:38.19 | GeneralAntilles | One of my N800s has no squish |
| 19:38.23 | GeneralAntilles | one has lots of squish |
| 19:38.30 | Grackle_ | Hmm. |
| 19:38.33 | bohawjes | yes, i thought this is normal, but i once tried another tablet in local nokia store.. it worked hundred times better with fingers and the screen was much more "tight" |
| 19:38.47 | Grackle_ | Does it have a grainier screen, similar to the 770? |
| 19:38.55 | Grackle_ | Or is the squishiness the only similarity? |
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| 19:39.37 | bohawjes | my screen is very spongey/loose in the bottom area of the screen. 1/3 from the top is working pretty nice with fingers and i don't notice any movement there |
| 19:39.42 | JamieBennett | GeneralAntilles: I was refering to the fact that 'normal' touchscreens (as in glass type screens) use conduction rather than pressure so the pressure ones have some play. I understand that some may be defective and move too much though. |
| 19:40.16 | GeneralAntilles | Grackle, no, the sponginess is the only similarity with the 770. |
| 19:40.31 | GeneralAntilles | Either way, Nokia really needs to tighten up everything about their touchscreens. |
| 19:41.01 | bohawjes | one thing which bothers me is, that the looseness of this screen makes it easy to scratch. |
| 19:41.21 | GeneralAntilles | That's what screen protectors are for. |
| 19:41.57 | bohawjes | yes, wish i had used those before :) |
| 19:42.21 | bohawjes | virtual keyboard area is becoming very unsensitive and hard to use now |
| 19:42.22 | Kegetys | hmm, is there some reason why the maemo browser doesn't support any kind of disk cache? |
| 19:42.48 | qwerty12_N800 | It can be enabled in about:config afaik |
| 19:43.12 | Kegetys | it doesn't seem to work even after that |
| 19:43.21 | Kegetys | about:cache says it only does memory cache |
| 19:43.27 | GeneralAntilles | Slow flash write speed and flash life issues, I believe. |
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| 19:43.33 | GeneralAntilles | Either way, yes, there's a good reason. |
| 19:44.15 | sp3000 | finds the memory cache settings in the options ui quite amusing |
| 19:44.43 | Kegetys | well I'd prefer to have the images etc. from sites I visit often to be cached on the disk rather than reloaded every time I close and open the browser again |
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| 19:46.12 | sp3000 | anyway if you worry about flash wear you can always point the cache onto disposable media |
| 19:46.58 | Kegetys | yeah I'd rather buy a new memory card every now and then than pay the bill to reload all the stuff over and over again |
| 19:47.25 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I updated the MUD wiki page to use the citation plugin, and fixed a URL. |
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| 19:54.21 | keesj | was the food good or did you only cook? |
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| 20:00.50 | sp3000 | Kegetys: yeah I don't see anything landing in the disk cache with it enabled, capacity is defaut 50M, parent_directory set to an existing /media/mmc1/browsercache |
| 20:01.21 | Kegetys | sp3000: yeah it's propably not compiled in at all |
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| 20:10.01 | sp3000 | it can be configured out, yeah |
| 20:10.08 | sp3000 | oh wel |
| 20:10.09 | sp3000 | l |
| 20:10.33 | [A2K] | i need a good build of wxmaxima with all dependencies. can someone help me? |
| 20:11.28 | bohawjes | does fanoush's mmc speedhack make nokia 770 more stable, or am i wrong? |
| 20:12.36 | GeneralAntilles | Well, if you combine it with swap, it might. |
| 20:12.58 | GeneralAntilles | A large part of 770 instability is from memory constraints. |
| 20:14.08 | bohawjes | i just though this, because i started to use that hack lately and my device has been much more stable after it |
| 20:15.04 | JamieBennett | GeneralAntilles: Also the slow processor plays a part |
| 20:15.29 | GeneralAntilles | JamieBennett, true, but oom situations are front and foremost for stability issues. |
| 20:16.05 | lardman | dsp restarts also force reboot due to the fb being mapped |
| 20:16.28 | lardman | while on the n8x0 they go un-noticed |
| 20:16.28 | JamieBennett | GeneralAntilles: Agreed, most of todays software on the Linux side benefit more from mem increases than from CPU ones |
| 20:17.00 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: yeah, ta for fixing that up |
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| 20:32.09 | yigal | $199 n800 on ebay I'm a happy man, although I still have to wait about a week for it to arrive :) |
| 20:32.34 | JamieBennett | yigal: have fun! |
| 20:33.19 | yigal | JamieBennett: thank you! |
| 20:33.44 | lardman | aaargh, why don't my shared memory addresses match up!? |
| 20:35.20 | ShadowJK | What is mmc speedhack? :-) |
| 20:36.04 | qwerty12_N800 | Is python-launcher only activated if magic line is #!/usr/bin/env python? |
| 20:38.42 | ShadowJK | ah, google found it |
| 20:41.47 | lardman | right, any thoughts what's wrong with these bits of code?: http://maemo.pastebin.com/m1db6df83 |
| 20:42.32 | lardman | the ARM & DSP sides refer to the same shared memory buffer, but for some reason only value pointed to at the start of the buffer can be read on the DSP side |
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| 20:47.02 | lcuk | lardman input_length = (unsigned short *)((unsigned long)shmem+1); |
| 20:47.11 | lcuk | what are you attempting to do there |
| 20:47.31 | lardman | static char shmem[MBUF_LENGTH]; |
| 20:47.35 | lcuk | shmem holds the address of the start of the allocated memory block |
| 20:47.39 | lardman | is the shared memory region |
| 20:47.47 | lardman | yes |
| 20:48.44 | lcuk | shmem+1 is where where in memory |
| 20:48.52 | lardman | in SDRAM |
| 20:49.06 | lardman | it's shared by the MMU |
| 20:50.20 | lcuk | no, i mean where in memory, shmem starts at address 0x12341200 and continues for MBUF_LEN bytes. (0x12341200 + 1) is just indexing 1 byte into that array |
| 20:50.24 | lcuk | that looks wrong |
| 20:50.57 | lardman | that is right, 2048 16bit bytes worth of memory are shared |
| 20:51.19 | lardman | so I'm pointing that variable's address one 16bit byte into that array |
| 20:51.42 | lcuk | ahhh dont be sure |
| 20:51.50 | lcuk | i tried this with the blit routine in liqbase |
| 20:52.00 | lardman | oh, what's up then? |
| 20:52.16 | lcuk | but because i had a variable declared as char * no matter what casting i couldnt make it jump over 2 or 4 bytes |
| 20:52.28 | lcuk | all offsets were based on the original char |
| 20:52.37 | lardman | ah yes, but char is 16bit on the dsp |
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| 20:53.09 | lcuk | so whats the ugly unsigned long casting for? |
| 20:53.35 | lardman | I'm not sure quite how the DSP C compiler wants to guess, so I thought I'd be sure |
| 20:54.34 | lcuk | char *memstart=shmem; int16 *memstart16 = (int16 *)memstart; printf("item0=%i",memstart16[0]); printf("item1=%i",memstart16[1]); |
| 20:54.43 | lcuk | perhaps something like that - at least to check |
| 20:55.05 | lcuk | i ended up using similar in some functions to clarify i was doing as intended memory wise |
| 20:55.28 | GeneralAntilles | lol http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=199672&postcount=104 |
| 20:55.29 | lcuk | its always hairy around casts |
| 20:56.47 | lardman | char *memstart=shmem; sets the value of memstart to the address of shmem |
| 20:57.24 | lardman | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:59.18 | lcuk | yes, doing it all as atomic blocks clarified it in my mind |
| 20:59.36 | lcuk | that way i dont have to think about operator precidence |
| 21:00.56 | lardman | even accessing shmem as an array from the DSP side I get shmem[1]=0 |
| 21:01.03 | lardman | where it ought to be 88 |
| 21:01.36 | ShadowJK | so, hm, does this "fanoush mmc speedhack" do anything on N810 Diablo? |
| 21:03.09 | qwerty12_N800 | kinda, there is a patch for N800/N810 but a diablo kernel hasn't been compiled with it. I'd do it but i'm busy with diablo android kernel. |
| 21:03.49 | lcuk | lardman, print out the actual contents of the first arbitary amount of data from shmem[0] and [1] and [2]) |
| 21:04.04 | lcuk | dont try and use them as pointers, just see if the data itself matches |
| 21:04.18 | lardman | lcuk: shmem[0:3] = {99,0,0,0} |
| 21:04.42 | lardman | as array elements (shmem[x] and as pointers *(shmem+x)) |
| 21:05.57 | lcuk | are those direct from the actual data, because your code does extra cast to (unsigned short *) |
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| 21:06.43 | lcuk | ill brb, just got a stinky child to wash |
| 21:07.17 | GAN800 | ewgross |
| 21:07.58 | lardman | yes, they were casted as the dbg() fn can only take a short as it's input, I'll try without the case |
| 21:08.02 | lardman | cast |
| 21:08.05 | GeneralAntilles | pokes rm_you again. |
| 21:08.23 | lardman | s/it's/its |
| 21:08.33 | lardman | school-boy error |
| 21:09.25 | GeneralAntilles | I just blame those on the fingers. ;) |
| 21:09.43 | lardman | :) |
| 21:10.25 | GeneralAntilles | tries to find a decent look other than un-styled html page. |
| 21:10.58 | keesj | try "under-construction" ? |
| 21:15.20 | lcuk | lardman, was it a casting problem and is it solved |
| 21:15.29 | lardman | no and no |
| 21:15.31 | lardman | :) |
| 21:15.35 | lcuk | lol |
| 21:16.03 | lardman | I'm beginning to wonder if more than 16bits are actually shared |
| 21:16.04 | lcuk | its a damn shame we havent all got dsp in a box to be able to throw loads of mud at it to help you |
| 21:16.27 | lardman | ~lart DSP |
| 21:16.27 | infobot | gives DSP a good seeing to |
| 21:16.35 | lardman | well, close enough hey :) |
| 21:16.43 | lardman | if slightly rude |
| 21:16.47 | lcuk | is this dsp stuff all open? |
| 21:16.51 | lardman | yes |
| 21:17.08 | lardman | but you'll need an x86 Linux box for the cross compiler |
| 21:17.12 | lcuk | is the box you do the compilation from "clean" or is it just your general house computer |
| 21:17.21 | lardman | my house computer |
| 21:17.26 | zap | Why many packages install a link to their .desktop file in /etc/others-menu/ ? I don't see such a requirement in maemo-packaging-policy.pdf |
| 21:17.32 | lcuk | damn, i wont ask you to make a vmware image from it then |
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| 21:18.05 | lcuk | though it would be a nice thing if a simple dsp dev image oculd be created |
| 21:18.27 | lardman | it wouldn't be legally distributable though |
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| 21:18.56 | lcuk | hmmm, not open - what prevents it? |
| 21:19.06 | lardman | Ti license agreement |
| 21:19.28 | lcuk | ahh, but its all free i take it |
| 21:19.57 | zap | free != redistributable |
| 21:19.59 | lardman | free as in ... hmm, I never know the difference |
| 21:20.06 | lardman | zap: yep |
| 21:20.09 | lcuk | yer zap, i see |
| 21:21.13 | lcuk | lard, you have a char *chmem; on the dsp thats initialized, printf("%i,%i,%i,%i",shmem[0],shmem[1],shmem[2],shmem[3]); gives what you said up there? |
| 21:21.51 | lardman | yep |
| 21:21.51 | lcuk | or have you only been printing the values from sbc->input_flag, sbc->input_length, ...) |
| 21:22.07 | lardman | though I have to cast each to short otherwise it returns 0 |
| 21:22.48 | zap | dsp understands exclusively int16 data type? |
| 21:22.54 | lardman | I sometimes get {99,18,0,0}; I set the second value to 18 after displaying the data, so the memory is reused and unaltered (and the ARM doesn't overwrite it!) |
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| 21:24.33 | lcuk | lardman, which creates the original memory map and which uses it |
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| 21:24.53 | lcuk | ARM allocate then dsp use after, or the other way round |
| 21:25.00 | lardman | the memory is shared, the ARM writes some ident values, the DSP tries to read them |
| 21:25.30 | lardman | I don't know how the MMU does the sharing though |
| 21:27.25 | zap | perhaps DSP just has access to the same address space |
| 21:27.41 | zap | so the kernel dsp driver just has to translate virtual -> physical address |
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| 21:28.10 | lardman | yes, the SDRAM is mapped so both have access to the shared memory |
| 21:29.04 | lcuk | the call to shmget needs an identifier to know which shared memory block to get |
| 21:29.48 | lcuk | one side of the process must allocate the original block? |
| 21:30.15 | lardman | DSP allocates the original, then ARM maps it with mmap() |
| 21:31.01 | lcuk | thats: static char shmem[MBUF_LENGTH]; |
| 21:31.06 | lcuk | that you mentioned before |
| 21:31.09 | lardman | yep |
| 21:31.41 | zap | So nobody knows what use has /etc/others-menu/ ? |
| 21:31.43 | lardman | hmm |
| 21:31.52 | lardman | very strange effect |
| 21:32.05 | lardman | looks like it's down to the size of the shared regions on both ARM & DSP |
| 21:32.32 | lardman | if they are not the same (for example because one screwed up hex *0.5) it knackers everything |
| 21:33.19 | lardman | even if the shared regions are vastly larger than the memory being accessed (2*1024*16bits total, I'm only looking at the first 512 8bit bytes or so) |
| 21:33.32 | qwerty12_N800 | zap, that's for debian |
| 21:33.54 | lardman | my fault completely |
| 21:33.56 | zap | qwerty12_N800: then why almost every maemo app creates a link in there? |
| 21:34.39 | qwerty12_N800 | oh, soz wrong one, it's if you want to use maemo-select-menu-location |
| 21:34.56 | qwerty12_N800 | https://files.maemo.org/nitro - password can be found but you can't do much :/ |
| 21:36.50 | zap | qwerty12_N800: don't you remember where that's documented? google gives lots of garbage, and nothing serious |
| 21:37.29 | qwerty12_N800 | zap, no sorry, but I'd look into the postinst of the package |
| 21:37.50 | qwerty12_N800 | i'm sure stuff gets done with it there |
| 21:37.51 | zap | I'm looking, but I want to understand why this is done |
| 21:38.01 | zap | and what the number means (like 0112_sylpheed.desktop) |
| 21:39.29 | lcuk | lardman, i find all this dsp stuff fascinating and troubling at the same time. i quite honestly believe there are dragons inside these machines |
| 21:39.44 | GeneralAntilles | needs a new desktop, now. |
| 21:40.00 | GeneralAntilles | "Thar be dragons!" |
| 21:40.09 | lcuk | zap, you asked me something at about 5am this morning but had left before i woke up |
| 21:40.11 | lardman | hmm, film about dragons on now iirc |
| 21:40.13 | lcuk | any idea what it was |
| 21:40.28 | lcuk | which one |
| 21:40.55 | ShadowJK | hm |
| 21:40.56 | lardman | something about England being razed to the ground and some yanks coming and saving the day, usual make believe |
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| 21:41.05 | lardman | :) |
| 21:41.08 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 21:41.08 | ShadowJK | does anyone know if there's a dct/idct that runs on the DSP? |
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| 21:41.23 | lardman | ShadowJK: yes there is |
| 21:41.27 | ShadowJK | Oh? |
| 21:41.43 | ShadowJK | do you know if it's in mplayer/lavc yet? |
| 21:41.51 | zap | lcuk: 10:41:24 <zap> lcuk: what you were meaning as "resolution"? Is this the physical screen resolution, or it's just the size of the buffer you're upscaling to 800x480? |
| 21:42.04 | lardman | no, byt ssvb was thinking about it as a project |
| 21:42.54 | lcuk | zap :) good thanks, buffer is upscaled from (for instance) 640*480 to full screen, it works for various resolutions and is free to do (lcd hardware does it) |
| 21:43.08 | lardman | ShadowJK: http://www.ti.com/litv/pdf/spru422i |
| 21:43.11 | zap | but YUV12 only? |
| 21:43.12 | lcuk | its exactly the same as changing resolution for playing games |
| 21:43.29 | lardman | ShadowJK: and http://www.ti.com/litv/pdf/spru098 |
| 21:43.55 | lardman | ShadowJK: and probably this one too: http://www.ti.com/litv/pdf/spru037c |
| 21:44.06 | lcuk | i believe it works nicer for the YUV mode i use is because its geared up to playing movies and essentially uses the TV channel on the display |
| 21:44.07 | qwerty12_N800 | zap, the only page which documents the menu stuff has disappeared of the net :/ |
| 21:44.25 | ShadowJK | btw, has anyone figured out where the bottleneck is in getting mplayer to play higher res? Is it CPU or bandwidth to the display? |
| 21:44.26 | lardman | zap: upscales which whatever picel formayt |
| 21:44.29 | zap | qwerty12_N800: thank you for looking, I didn't found it either :) |
| 21:44.35 | lcuk | thats the way i read it all anyway, i might be wrong and its completely available (though unsupported in software) or rgb |
| 21:44.47 | lardman | really can't type any more |
| 21:44.53 | lcuk | any more |
| 21:45.02 | lcuk | i can |
| 21:45.10 | zap | what API should be used to upscale RGB data? |
| 21:45.21 | zap | (alt: does SDL use hardware acceleration for that) |
| 21:45.22 | lcuk | omapfb :) |
| 21:45.28 | zap | boo |
| 21:45.33 | zap | something easier? |
| 21:45.39 | lardman | look at mplayer source, or liqbase, and just change the format |
| 21:45.50 | zap | mplayer uses YUV12 so it's not a prob for him |
| 21:45.51 | lardman | format enum that is |
| 21:46.02 | lardman | well just use a different one |
| 21:46.07 | zap | and liqbase uses YUV12 as well, afaik |
| 21:46.15 | lardman | it works with RGB from the DSP side |
| 21:46.17 | lcuk | lardmanxv library does not support rgb |
| 21:46.19 | lardman | upscaling, etc. |
| 21:46.32 | lcuk | omapfb very likely does |
| 21:46.36 | lcuk | well we know it does |
| 21:46.51 | zap | I don't understand why everybody uses yuv12 if omapfb supports rgb? this is kind of strange |
| 21:47.03 | lardman | lcd controller bandwidth limir |
| 21:47.06 | lardman | limit |
| 21:47.09 | zap | uqm port for example converts rgb to yuv12 just to make use of the scaler |
| 21:47.19 | lcuk | rgb800*480 16bits per pixel is 800*480*2 bytes of data per page |
| 21:47.20 | qwerty12_N800 | zap, http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node14.html :) |
| 21:47.23 | lardman | yes in which case omapfb is the way to go, that's what the DSP stuff links into iirc |
| 21:47.40 | ShadowJK | YV12 is 12 bits per pixel, save 4 :-) |
| 21:47.41 | lcuk | yuv800*480 16bits per pixel is 800*480*1 + 400*240*2 bytes of data per page |
| 21:47.55 | lcuk | yuv800*480 24bits per pixel is 800*480*1 + 400*240*2 bytes of data per page |
| 21:48.02 | lardman | zap: the conversion is done to get framerate |
| 21:48.04 | lcuk | shat forget that one |
| 21:48.05 | zap | qwerty12_N800: thank a lot, although it does not mention /etc/others-menu |
| 21:48.28 | zap | got it, 12bpp vs 16bpp |
| 21:48.33 | lardman | goes to watch TV |
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| 21:48.47 | lcuk | night lard |
| 21:48.55 | qwerty12_N800 | zap, I think it can be called in two ways. the others-menu may be an old tradition |
| 21:49.15 | zap | hmm, ok, so I can omit it :) |
| 21:50.03 | qwerty12_N800 | yep, http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/creating_a_debian_package.html |
| 21:50.14 | qwerty12_N800 | note it's for bora :) |
| 21:51.44 | lcuk | doctor who time |
| 21:52.14 | zap | qwerty12_N800: thanks a lot for help |
| 21:52.55 | qwerty12_N800 | np :) |
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| 22:01.01 | timelyx | qwerty12_N800: -ffast-math is evil. it literally violates math rules |
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| 22:01.15 | timelyx | if you're building something that does anything w/ math (e.g. mozilla) it'll crash |
| 22:01.34 | timelyx | (and it's not the code's fault, it's the existence of an invalid optimization) |
| 22:02.06 | qwerty12_N800 | ouch, thanks for that, good to know |
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| 22:03.58 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/diablo.sources.list :) |
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| 22:07.13 | timelyx | jott: there should be a new post to browser-extras relatively soon |
| 22:07.18 | timelyx | i reviewed it this past week :) |
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| 22:08.21 | timelyx | sp3000: disk cache isn't supported in microb in diablo |
| 22:08.31 | timelyx | i've asked romaxa to please fix that <asap>, but ... |
| 22:08.49 | qwerty12_N800 | is that engine or ui problem? |
| 22:08.52 | timelyx | my goal for the week is to ship w/ it pref disabled but configure enabled |
| 22:09.10 | timelyx | we'd turn it on properly eventually... but i just want it at least avail as an opt... |
| 22:10.32 | timelyx | qwerty12_N800: the existence of settings to control cache in the ui is a bug :) |
| 22:10.42 | timelyx | but the fact that the engine doesn't support disk cache was a "feature" |
| 22:10.50 | timelyx | we were "optimizing for size" |
| 22:10.55 | qwerty12_N800 | :/ :) |
| 22:11.05 | timelyx | and even though i asked people to profile the feature... no one did |
| 22:11.16 | timelyx | so nothing changed :(... i had hoped to change it before we shipped diablo |
| 22:11.44 | timelyx | anyway, time to read my spam and find food |
| 22:12.00 | timelyx | ~700 spams... yum |
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| 22:17.25 | kkrusty | the square button on the left of my n800 is blinking |
| 22:18.42 | qwerty12_N800 | it's showing you it's love |
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| 22:18.50 | qwerty12_N800 | s/it's/its |
| 22:18.58 | kkrusty | Its showing me that I have email :/ |
| 22:19.05 | kkrusty | scared the s*it out of me |
| 22:20.10 | timelyx | you can turn that feature off |
| 22:20.17 | timelyx | if you're me, you *must* turn that feature off |
| 22:20.34 | kkrusty | timelyx: agreed. Thats what Im doing now |
| 22:22.15 | kkrusty | I would imagine that this might've been a useful feature for someone who reads each and every email. I have about 200 unread ones |
| 22:22.21 | qwerty12_N800 | w00t, browserd died with signal 13 |
| 22:22.41 | timelyx | kkrusty: it's useful if you get 1 email per day randomly during the day |
| 22:22.48 | timelyx | if you get a dozen every minute otoh .. |
| 22:23.09 | Kegetys | server side spam filtering is a good thing :) |
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| 22:23.33 | timelyx | who said anything about spam? |
| 22:24.20 | Kegetys | well, server side (whatever it is you dont care about) filtering then |
| 22:24.24 | timelyx | although, i just found that a mailinglist subscribe request was marked as spam |
| 22:24.26 | timelyx | "oops" |
| 22:24.45 | timelyx | gmail search = anything i don't care about, i don't have to read yet |
| 22:25.46 | Kegetys | doesnt gmail allow you to put the mailing list posts to a different imap folder, and dont auto-download those to the device |
| 22:26.34 | timelyx | um, i don't know of a single MUA that can survive any of my mailboxes |
| 22:26.37 | timelyx | so i don't bother |
| 22:26.49 | timelyx | i tried a dozen or so MUAs over a year ago, they all failed miserably |
| 22:27.33 | timelyx | and this wasn't posts. this was the "you must reply to this to subscribe" |
| 22:29.05 | qwerty12_N800 | Does anyone still have mc_4.6.1-2_armel.deb? komputika is down :/ |
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| 22:33.56 | GeneralAntilles | scratches his head. |
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| 22:33.59 | GeneralAntilles | Any ideas? http://pastebin.ca/1063311 |
| 22:34.15 | timelyx | use a faster pastebin =b |
| 22:35.32 | GeneralAntilles | The nice thing about browsing maemo.org all the time is that it makes the rest of the internet feel way fast. |
| 22:35.55 | timelyx | lol |
| 22:36.27 | timelyx | 2. you know that alt= is a *mandator* attribute of img, right? |
| 22:36.37 | timelyx | sends the feds out to get GAN800 |
| 22:36.58 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, I removed it hoping it might change something |
| 22:37.05 | GeneralAntilles | but alt doesn't have an effect |
| 22:37.21 | GeneralAntilles | throws his N800 out the window. |
| 22:37.24 | timelyx | this is in a single page? |
| 22:37.37 | timelyx | is this from an http server? (check logs?) |
| 22:37.39 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 22:37.41 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 22:37.42 | GeneralAntilles | Local |
| 22:37.52 | timelyx | strace :) |
| 22:38.11 | timelyx | i assume the image is "tiny"? |
| 22:38.18 | timelyx | seems strange... |
| 22:38.45 | timelyx | in general, that's supposed to be coalesced as a single request w/ multiple observers by libpr0n |
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| 22:40.04 | qwerty12_N800 | that lib always gets me |
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| 22:44.33 | GeneralAntilles | Well, that's about the strangest thing I've ever seen. |
| 22:44.43 | GeneralAntilles | I guess I'll forget about the pretty .install arrow for now. |
| 22:50.57 | timelyx | goes to review another 100+ spams |
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| 22:53.46 | Psykosis | Anyone know why running an app via shell will close it "okay" however running it from the hildon menus causes it to just lock up on close? |
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| 23:28.02 | Atarii | anyone here? |
| 23:29.45 | kkrusty | look behind the furniture. Everyones hiding :) |
| 23:30.01 | GeneralAntilles | Just ceiling cat, and he's watching you fail at making that 770 not suck. :P |
| 23:30.40 | Atarii | lol |
| 23:30.45 | Atarii | you win GA |
| 23:31.08 | Atarii | if i get this hob on monday, 810 upgrage is first on the list |
| 23:31.11 | Atarii | job* |
| 23:31.55 | Atarii | anyways, my question is, can i flash kernel only in windows? or just using the flasher3.0 in linux? |
| 23:33.21 | GeneralAntilles | The Windows flasher doesn't support any cool features. |
| 23:33.55 | Atarii | damn, that's going to have to wait until tomorrow then, as my laptop is packed away |
| 23:34.06 | Atarii | hmm unless i can do it via vmware.... |
| 23:35.23 | kkrusty | wonders whether the flasher would work on maemo linux |
| 23:35.45 | kkrusty | of course it wouldnt without the sourcec |
| 23:35.50 | kkrusty | *source |
| 23:36.14 | GeneralAntilles | Meh, Nokia bundles a flasher now |
| 23:36.25 | Psykosis | Does VMWare even support USB? |
| 23:36.31 | GeneralAntilles | Psykosis, yes. |
| 23:36.38 | timelyx | vmware works |
| 23:36.49 | Psykosis | Ooo.. I must have missed that (runs off and plugs in a flash drive) |
| 23:37.51 | qwerty12-N800 | Atarii, fanoush has an on device kernel flasher |
| 23:38.11 | Atarii | yea ive tried than befire and it broke it though :( |
| 23:38.23 | Atarii | my typing sucks tonight |
| 23:38.33 | qwerty12-N800 | worked for me everytime :/ |
| 23:45.49 | ralann | i have flashed via vmware |
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| 23:51.31 | Atarii | ok here goes qwerty12-N800, on your head be it if it dies |
| 23:53.24 | Atarii | woop |
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