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| 00:38.41 | skibur | hum... |
| 00:39.04 | skibur | Openssh + Openssh Client = fast root on Console and KDE |
| 00:39.05 | skibur | nice |
| 00:39.16 | skibur | KDE Konqueror that is |
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| 01:27.53 | skibur | hello |
| 01:29.36 | skibur | is Ubuntu mobile coming out for N8*0? |
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| 01:59.06 | skibur | anybody here? |
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| 02:22.51 | Proteous | hah |
| 02:22.52 | Proteous | no |
| 02:22.54 | Proteous | NEVER |
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| 02:22.59 | Proteous | na na na na |
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| 02:35.23 | lcuk | Your project has been submitted to the garage administrators. Within 72 hours, you will receive notification of their decision and further instructions. |
| 02:35.23 | lcuk | Thank you for choosing garage |
| 02:35.33 | lcuk | why did nobody tell me this sooner :'( |
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| 02:35.45 | ralann | tch |
| 02:39.05 | derf | lcuk: I can answer that question in 72 hours. |
| 02:39.16 | lcuk | heh |
| 02:39.20 | pupnik | if you ever meet a lawmaker |
| 02:39.24 | pupnik | kick him in the nuts |
| 02:39.42 | lcuk | :S no |
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| 02:40.01 | derf | I'm pretty sure that's the worst person to kick in the nuts, second only to a policeman. |
| 02:40.14 | pupnik | nobody deserves it more |
| 02:40.22 | derf | Actually, a Marine. |
| 02:40.36 | derf | He wouldn't worry about having to fill out paperwork later. |
| 02:40.54 | lcuk | if wives had nuts im pretty sure they would be worse than any marine |
| 02:41.02 | lcuk | or even worse: the mother in law |
| 02:41.13 | derf | lcuk: You don't _need_ to kick them in the nuts to suffer their abuse. |
| 02:41.48 | lcuk | they are abusing you for future transgressions |
| 02:42.50 | pupnik | well i LIKE german cops |
| 02:42.53 | derf | And past transgressions. And imagined transgressions. And... |
| 02:42.53 | lcuk | now, i have the source to liqbase all nicely tar.gz'ed ready to go into the garage |
| 02:42.57 | pupnik | i have a cousin who is a detective |
| 02:43.03 | lcuk | irc discussions about transgressions |
| 02:43.14 | pupnik | but they are forced to prosecute idiotic stuff |
| 02:43.39 | pupnik | just like we are all forced to... oh... |
| 02:43.50 | pupnik | obey a law that forbids me from marketing my latest invention |
| 02:43.50 | lcuk | they are bound by the 3 laws of robocop |
| 02:44.05 | pupnik | yeah well pardon me, my invention was freaking cool |
| 02:44.11 | pupnik | and socialism killed it |
| 02:44.21 | pupnik | because if a child drank my invention it might get sick |
| 02:44.33 | pupnik | like... with gasoline |
| 02:44.39 | lcuk | you invented vodka? |
| 02:44.55 | derf | pupnik: I'm actively arguing against kicking cops in the nuts. |
| 02:45.23 | pupnik | oh i agree with that |
| 02:45.23 | Grackle_ | Pfft pupnik, that's a problem that marketing can solve. |
| 02:45.28 | pupnik | cops aren't lawmakers |
| 02:45.41 | lcuk | rm_you, pssst |
| 02:46.09 | rm_you | lcuk: wha? |
| 02:46.18 | lcuk | read up a few lines :P |
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| 02:46.44 | rm_you | lcuk: !!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 02:46.59 | lcuk | i made a decision today |
| 02:47.12 | rm_you | :) |
| 02:47.17 | lcuk | well, yesterday - ive headered and prepared myself |
| 02:47.27 | lcuk | pm me your mail address |
| 02:48.16 | rm_you | ? |
| 02:48.42 | lcuk | how did you do that |
| 02:48.48 | rm_you | notice |
| 02:48.50 | rm_you | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:48.55 | lcuk | fair enough :) |
| 02:48.58 | rm_you | well, /notice lcuk <text> :P |
| 02:49.16 | crashanddie | anyway, I'm heading to home |
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| 02:49.29 | crashanddie | 120euro extra for a few hours of coding, good enough :) |
| 02:49.52 | lcuk | crashanddie, :) good enough |
| 02:55.48 | lcuk | rm_you, its on its way, buti left a description file out: |
| 02:55.48 | lcuk | technology demo featuring finger friendly menus, variable resolution kinetic scrolling fullscreen document viewer, pressure sensitivity sketching with a graffiti wall showing all drawings, cpu throttling adjustments and a fullscreen starfield screensaver. |
| 02:56.02 | lcuk | thinks he got all the keywords ;) |
| 02:56.41 | johnx | the key one being starfield :) |
| 02:57.12 | lcuk | lol johnx yer |
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| 03:06.36 | alsor | test |
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| 03:11.05 | alsor | hi, I want to know, if Metalayer crawler is open source? |
| 03:11.40 | lcuk | not sure alsor, am just heading off to bed |
| 03:12.09 | alsor | thanks :) good dream :) |
| 03:12.12 | lcuk | search internettablettalk.com |
| 03:12.24 | lcuk | someone should have already asked |
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| 03:14.53 | alsor | got it:) |
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| 03:47.05 | rm_you | lol, cool lcuk :P |
| 03:52.55 | ds3 | 3 |
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| 05:11.04 | bex | does anyone know why when i try to download from maemo.org sometimes it says the package cannot be found? |
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| 05:22.51 | atul | Hi my scratch box is failing while running this scipt after exporting Display, af-sb-init.sh start, the problem is, It wont launch display in Xephyr. Showing this error message http://pastebin.ca/1061983 |
| 05:22.57 | atul | Any Idea ? |
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| 05:25.27 | zapppp | Is there any documentation available about the internet connectivity daemons methods that I can call through D-Bus? |
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| 06:00.50 | timelyx | andre___: ping :) |
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| 06:04.46 | inz | atul, it sounds like you wouldn't have dbus -package installed |
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| 06:16.01 | atul_ | inz, No I had install it was privioully all work fine but y'day onwords it won't |
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| 07:03.43 | timelyx | eyes bug 3394 wearily |
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| 07:10.16 | inz | timelyx, interesting, it has the same exact summary but different reporter and description |
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| 07:12.08 | timelyx | yeah |
| 07:12.11 | timelyx | how in the world does one do that? |
| 07:13.11 | timelyx | it's possible i left a template link out somewhere... |
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| 07:15.22 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe just a copy pasta? |
| 07:19.18 | timelyx | maybe... |
| 07:19.28 | timelyx | i'm not quite sure what someone expects to get by doing that |
| 07:19.37 | timelyx | i mean, i do appreciate a well written summary if i did write it myself |
| 07:19.38 | timelyx | but.. |
| 07:21.02 | GeneralAntilles | "mebe if i reporter this bug twice eht'll get fixed fastar" |
| 07:21.49 | GeneralAntilles | Or maybe they think the old report is just for Chinook? |
| 07:21.51 | GeneralAntilles | Who knows |
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| 07:38.55 | GeneralAntilles | Is nokia.com just completely broken for anybody else? |
| 07:41.25 | doc|home | GeneralAntilles: working here |
| 07:41.47 | GeneralAntilles | Guess the WebKit browsers are choking on it. |
| 07:41.50 | doc|home | zZzZz |
| 07:41.59 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/broken-nokia-usa.jpg |
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| 07:44.36 | doc|home | looked fine for me |
| 07:44.58 | atul_ | /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc and /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic Hi this package is not available in my system How to install them any Idea ? |
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| 07:51.03 | rm_you | wtflol |
| 07:51.15 | rm_you | just watching the latest two eps of Dr Who |
| 07:52.03 | rm_you | am I supposed to know who Sarah Jane is? I think I remember her kinda, but i have no idea who like any of the people here are (but I have a feeling I would know if I watched Torchwood).... |
| 07:54.11 | aquatix | rm_you: shush, i still have to start with season 3 ;) |
| 07:56.02 | rm_you | lol |
| 07:56.14 | rm_you | oh wait, bah i think Sarah Jane was from the OLD series |
| 07:56.19 | rm_you | which i never really watched :/ |
| 07:56.22 | timeless | ponder |
| 07:56.32 | rm_you | aquatix: sorry O_o |
| 07:56.33 | timeless | what does 'previous' mean in a time based planet? |
| 07:56.38 | timeless | 'older' or 'newer'? |
| 07:56.39 | aquatix | rm_you: :) |
| 07:57.00 | aquatix | timeless: i think older |
| 07:57.19 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:57.27 | timeless | aquatix: if you're wrong, do i file a bug? :) |
| 07:57.30 | rm_you | and technically, on a time-based planet, wouldn't things that were "previous" also be "behind"? :P |
| 07:57.33 | GeneralAntilles | Yes. |
| 07:57.38 | Jaffa | rm_you: Sarah Jane was one of Tom Baker's companions. She met the Doctor and Rose in the second series episode, "School Reunion" |
| 07:57.40 | GeneralAntilles | Older is "next" on maemo planet. |
| 07:57.45 | GeneralAntilles | Hey, Jaffa. |
| 07:57.50 | timeless | goes to file a bug |
| 07:57.55 | aquatix | Jaffa: oh that Sarah Jane |
| 07:57.58 | aquatix | knows her |
| 07:57.59 | rm_you | Jaffa: ah yeah i remember that |
| 07:58.01 | aquatix | with that dog |
| 07:58.09 | Jaffa | rm_you: After that, she got her own spin-off show on CBBC called "The Sarah Jane Adventures" |
| 07:58.14 | aquatix | cool that she comes back |
| 07:58.27 | rm_you | yeah i saw like two episodes of the tom baker series :/ |
| 07:58.35 | hrw|gone | B/nick hrw |
| 07:58.39 | rm_you | i want to go back and watch it all, IMO |
| 07:58.40 | aquatix | has a torrent with all the old ones |
| 07:58.40 | hrw | morning |
| 07:58.43 | rm_you | just so many epps >_> |
| 07:58.46 | aquatix | didn't download them all yet thuogh |
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| 07:58.54 | rm_you | yeah i had it too, just no space :P |
| 07:58.57 | rm_you | and SOOOO MANY EPISODES |
| 07:58.59 | aquatix | heheh, me neither |
| 07:59.02 | aquatix | yup |
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| 07:59.20 | rm_you | ack gotta go finish this ep |
| 07:59.32 | rm_you | is ep 12 the finale? or are there a couple more? |
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| 08:22.54 | lardman | kulve: ping |
| 08:28.11 | lardman | bmidgley: ping |
| 08:36.39 | kulve | lardman: ping |
| 08:36.43 | kulve | sorry, pong |
| 08:37.29 | lardman | kulve: nice to see they listen hey? |
| 08:37.41 | lardman | or they are listening |
| 08:38.52 | lcuk | lardman :) |
| 08:40.44 | lcuk_work | lardman, your timer dilemma have you solved it? |
| 08:41.08 | lardman | lcuk_work: no, still a bit lost on that one |
| 08:41.38 | rm_you | *$^)(#%^@*^#*()@^)*(&$#V%HNNOY*Rcj9835jc90a7d4()^Q&$)S&@^)($^ |
| 08:41.43 | lardman | lcuk_work: I wonder if I need to link some extra module in, which should have been in the kernel already |
| 08:41.59 | lcuk_work | when i saw your post last night (amongst other things) i went looking and found a high resolution timer thing, lemme see if its in history - what i wasnt confident though was if it was the right one |
| 08:42.25 | lardman | lcuk_work: There are timers, but I thought they were like alarms |
| 08:43.06 | lbt | lcuk_work: does git work? |
| 08:43.15 | kulve | lardman: yes, it is. |
| 08:43.54 | rm_you | just finished episode 12 <_< $%@ |
| 08:44.28 | lcuk_work | lardman look at this, my googling i notices something called "dsp/bios STS" http://focus.ti.com/lit/ug/spru819/spru819.pdf |
| 08:45.03 | lcuk_work | lbt, i ran out of time last night but its on machine and ill be reading this weekend. thank you very much indeed though i will confirm asap |
| 08:45.25 | lardman | lcuk_work: won't work as it needs the Ti DSP bridge, and we use DSP Gateway |
| 08:45.26 | lcuk_work | do lbt/lardman wish to have a peek under the covers before garage gets it.. |
| 08:45.52 | lardman | lcuk_work: yes, could be cool :) |
| 08:45.58 | lardman | s/could/would |
| 08:46.00 | lcuk_work | lardman, ok - hence me not knowing enough about the dsp |
| 08:46.12 | lardman | lcuk_work: Thanks for taking the time to look though :) |
| 08:46.23 | lcuk_work | just has to post the garage description |
| 08:46.36 | lcuk_work | loves his creative keyword placement |
| 08:47.05 | lardman | buzzword bingo? ;) |
| 08:47.30 | lcuk_work | technology demo featuring finger friendly menus, variable resolution kinetic scrolling fullscreen document viewer, pressure sensitivity sketching with a graffiti wall showing all drawings, cpu throttling adjustments and a fullscreen starfield screensaver. |
| 08:47.34 | lcuk_work | absolutely :D |
| 08:47.43 | lardman | try saying that in one breath! |
| 08:48.03 | lcuk_work | well i tried saying it a bit longer at first and they moaned that it was over 255chars :P |
| 08:48.10 | lcuk_work | counted the letters :S |
| 08:48.33 | lardman | It's a good old-school Shakespearean sentence, lots of commas only one full stop :) |
| 08:48.58 | lcuk_work | i want to be proud of my nokia |
| 08:49.41 | lardman | Where might I find a Nokian who could tell me if the RTC module was compiled into the DSP kernel...? |
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| 08:50.00 | RST38h | July 4th spam has started |
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| 08:50.45 | lardman | Is that because Tom Cruise was born today? |
| 08:51.57 | GeneralAntilles | spams bottlerockets at RST38h. |
| 08:52.43 | lardman | laughs at prodigous usage of noun "bastards" in liqbase :) |
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| 08:53.21 | drako | greetings |
| 08:53.48 | drako | is there a version o maemo for xscale pdas? |
| 08:54.18 | GeneralAntilles | Run Debian? |
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| 08:54.26 | GeneralAntilles | Most of the important parts of Maemo have been packaged for Debian. |
| 08:54.29 | lcuk_work | gotta vanish, back later, lardman/lbt :'( dont be too harsh on my coding style |
| 08:54.29 | drako | debian? |
| 08:54.56 | drako | with the hilton wm? |
| 08:55.19 | lbt | I'm busy today but will look if I get the chance... l8r lcuk_work |
| 08:55.37 | GeneralAntilles | With matchbox and Hildon desktop. |
| 08:56.10 | drako | anyone have tried that ? |
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| 09:00.04 | X-Fade | drako: http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/2007/02/09/hildon-desktop-scalability/ |
| 09:00.50 | drako | thank you X-Fade :-) |
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| 09:02.01 | drako | cool E have a tablet pc to try that |
| 09:03.04 | rm_you | lcuk_work: lol cool you define your own absolute value function using a ternary? :P that's sweet |
| 09:03.20 | rm_you | i'm already learning neat things and i'm only on the defines :P |
| 09:03.32 | drako | never the less i need to prepare a prototype for a linux terminal in pdas using xscale processors like those of hp and it would be a killer if its possible to use maemo like system |
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| 09:12.52 | atul | I got this Error message when try to run Xephyer "/usr/bin/af-sb-init.sh: line 1: export: `92:': not a valid identifier" |
| 09:12.58 | atul | How to resolve it ? |
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| 09:24.17 | rm_you | bbl, gotta reboot into windoze for work :/ ugh. |
| 09:28.22 | rm_you | aww, my uptime :( |
| 09:28.24 | aquatix | rm_you: btw, is your awesome_app(tm) already in extras? |
| 09:28.31 | rm_you | lol |
| 09:28.40 | rm_you | adv-backlight? |
| 09:29.04 | rm_you | it should be in diablo extras now |
| 09:29.19 | rm_you | i guess it's technically "advanced-backlight" |
| 09:29.51 | aquatix | ahno |
| 09:29.52 | aquatix | dang |
| 09:29.55 | aquatix | mixing up people |
| 09:29.59 | rm_you | anyways, bye bye 16 days of uptime (since i installed this OS) |
| 09:30.01 | rm_you | ah yeah |
| 09:30.03 | rm_you | lcuk's thing? |
| 09:30.14 | aquatix | i love adv-backlight too though ;) |
| 09:30.16 | aquatix | yeah :) |
| 09:30.16 | rm_you | i was just looking at the code for it :P |
| 09:30.23 | rm_you | it is really neat |
| 09:30.33 | aquatix | wants |
| 09:30.37 | rm_you | glad he decided to release it |
| 09:30.47 | rm_you | it may be on garage? |
| 09:30.52 | rm_you | or maybe he was going to do that later |
| 09:30.56 | rm_you | anyways, gotta reboot |
| 09:30.56 | rm_you | bbl |
| 09:30.59 | aquatix | pft, 16 days... |
| 09:30.59 | aquatix | 11:30:49 mbscholt@luna:~/projects/masterthesis/thesis$ uptime 11:30:50 up 141 days, 18:08, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 |
| 09:31.13 | rm_you | lol, i JUST installed debian on this machine 16 days ago :P |
| 09:31.15 | aquatix | heh, cya |
| 09:31.21 | rm_you | new OS == give me a break :P |
| 09:31.25 | aquatix | ;) |
| 09:31.42 | rm_you | sad, it didn't even get to a month <_< |
| 09:32.40 | rm_you | ooh, i also have a new kernel <_< |
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| 09:58.41 | herwood | hi |
| 09:58.53 | herwood | is there any dbus-guru here? |
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| 10:08.30 | andre___ | timelyx, pong |
| 10:09.48 | robtaylor | herwood: hmm, i might count =) |
| 10:13.19 | drako | anyone tried to update to a new kernell version? |
| 10:13.52 | GeneralAntilles | That's a question for AStorm |
| 10:14.12 | drako | i c |
| 10:14.28 | hrw | drako: 2.6.26-rc should works |
| 10:14.35 | hrw | drako: of course forget about wifi |
| 10:14.55 | drako | what about 2.6.24 |
| 10:15.58 | herwood | robtaylor: I'm trying to create my own dbus service to system dbus. Do I need to do some extra job to get it work? |
| 10:16.46 | hrw | drako: forget about wifi on >2.6.21-nokia basically |
| 10:17.27 | drako | so to try another kernell can i use the nokia_2420_defconfig to configure the new kernel |
| 10:17.28 | jott | drako: http://muru.com/linux/n8x0/ |
| 10:17.45 | drako | so the wifi driver is a nokia hack |
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| 10:18.32 | jott | drako: not particular a nokia hack but it is closed source |
| 10:19.41 | robtaylor | herwood: you need to add a policy in /etc/dbus-1/system.d |
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| 10:20.06 | drako | see it |
| 10:20.15 | drako | need the firmware to compile |
| 10:20.59 | herwood | robtaylor: thanks, does it require anything else? |
| 10:21.18 | robtaylor | herwood: i have no idea how much you've done already |
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| 10:22.24 | herwood | robtaylor: Currently I can register my service to session dbus. I've used glib-bindings to do that |
| 10:22.40 | drako | what about patching the 2.6.21-nokia? |
| 10:23.00 | jott | drako: you can do that... |
| 10:23.44 | drako | ok i'll start testing with that then :) |
| 10:23.46 | robtaylor | herwood: ok, then yea, all you need it to st up teh allows so your service can expose itself on the system bus |
| 10:23.59 | drako | thank you jott and hrw |
| 10:27.04 | herwood | robtaylor: yeah, I'll try that. thanks! |
| 10:27.10 | robtaylor | herwood: np :) |
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| 10:30.12 | drako | another question. the filemanager can access samba shares but not those with user authentication is that some configuration i'm missing or is a lack of functionality |
| 10:30.40 | jott | drako: it's a lack of functionality.... |
| 10:31.25 | drako | from the filemanager program or the samba support |
| 10:31.59 | drako | :w |
| 10:32.11 | drako | uups wrong window ;) |
| 10:34.50 | jott | drako: i bet it's some stuff missing in libhildonfm but thats just a blind guess... |
| 10:36.40 | hrw | gnome-vfs integration is simple in maemo |
| 10:40.33 | eichi | what about maemo-mapper for diablo? |
| 10:40.45 | GeneralAntilles | Just grab it from the Chinook repo |
| 10:41.02 | GeneralAntilles | gnuite hasn't done anything to get it through autobuilder so far as I can tell. |
| 10:41.30 | hrw | building of maemo-mapper outside of scratchbox will result in hard breaking |
| 10:42.16 | eichi | hrw, means? |
| 10:43.00 | hrw | eichi: #include "/usr/include/gpsbt.h" |
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| 10:43.48 | hrw | some time will pass until it will evolve from 'I just split onebigfile.c into parts' |
| 10:48.52 | eichi | okay |
| 10:48.59 | eichi | and what about pidgin for diablo? |
| 10:49.12 | eichi | these 2 apps are one of the common used |
| 10:51.15 | GeneralAntilles | https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/maemo-diablo-armel-extras/logs/pidgin_2.3.1-1nix0.dsc.sbdmock.root.log-FAILED |
| 10:51.26 | GeneralAntilles | Just pull anything you're missing from Chinook Extras. |
| 10:51.48 | drako | chinook pidgin is working fine to me |
| 10:52.02 | drako | and i have upgraded to diablo already |
| 10:52.34 | aquatix | is happy with telepathy |
| 10:52.41 | aquatix | works fine for me |
| 10:52.52 | aquatix | with those collabora packages for other IM networks |
| 10:52.53 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: If someone would really care about having pidgin working, that can be done pretty easily. ;) |
| 10:53.09 | GeneralAntilles | Who is the maintainer? |
| 10:53.11 | drako | actually i just would like to have the encrypt pidgin plugin |
| 10:53.22 | aquatix | drako: otr? |
| 10:53.37 | aquatix | that one would be nice indeed |
| 10:53.50 | drako | yes i know aquatix |
| 10:54.04 | drako | otr is already available |
| 10:54.11 | aquatix | oh |
| 10:54.15 | aquatix | which one do you mean then? |
| 10:54.25 | hrw | is also happy with telepathy stuff |
| 10:54.29 | drako | pidgin encrypt |
| 10:54.42 | hrw | now I want some good note taking app for diablo |
| 10:54.48 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Maintainer is Gabriel Schulhof or nix. |
| 10:55.02 | hrw | as when I look into chinook extras I feel nightmares comming |
| 10:55.04 | drako | need to try the openoffice :-D |
| 10:55.22 | hrw | xournal depends on libgnomecanvas... maemopadplus with hand written deps... |
| 10:55.24 | drako | I need a spreadsheet |
| 10:55.32 | hrw | drako: gnumeric is in diablo extras |
| 10:55.51 | hrw | I need *working* PIM - calendar/contacts/tasks |
| 10:56.00 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Hmm he seems to be working for Nokia ;) |
| 10:56.04 | drako | haven't used gnumeric for ages |
| 10:56.24 | GeneralAntilles | Ha, so how is he not with the picture? :D |
| 10:56.27 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: So probably gone for the holidays. Finland is closed for summer break ;) |
| 10:56.38 | drako | hrw you have gpe pim stuff |
| 10:56.41 | GeneralAntilles | Screwy Europeans. |
| 10:56.45 | hrw | drako: please... |
| 10:57.16 | hrw | drako: I loaded guadec ical into it and notice that switching views make it stick to agenda view |
| 10:57.20 | drako | well until better comes around |
| 10:57.32 | hrw | drako: not to mention that I had to hand edit ical to get it imported |
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| 10:59.49 | drako | well maybe someone can get sunbird working |
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| 11:05.10 | rm_you | hrw: tried liqbase for notetaking? :P |
| 11:05.18 | aquatix | wants |
| 11:05.21 | aquatix | *cough* |
| 11:05.41 | aquatix | is going to write an irssi script that echo's /me wants every time liqbase is mentioned ;) |
| 11:05.44 | aquatix | anyways |
| 11:05.52 | aquatix | did lcuk upload it to extras? |
| 11:05.57 | rm_you | aquatix: then download it? :P |
| 11:06.11 | rm_you | aquatix: doubt it, but you can just get it from his googlecode site |
| 11:06.13 | aquatix | btw, there is a maemo notes app i thought? |
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| 11:06.51 | sbaturzio | Aloha! |
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| 11:08.33 | crashanddie | Well hello there Maemo ! |
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| 11:19.45 | |tbb| | hi all, |
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| 11:21.00 | lardman | Thoughts on fn call overhead in C |
| 11:21.15 | lardman | Where would one look to get figures/comparisons? |
| 11:22.00 | inz | *mumble* damn white-on-black websites, they aren't really readable in sunlight |
| 11:22.11 | |tbb| | for what is android good for when running on n810 |
| 11:22.20 | RST38h | ladman: what exactly do you want to know? |
| 11:23.04 | aquatix | |tbb|: mostly fun |
| 11:23.08 | lardman | dneary made me think that perhaps some of the awful sbc performance is down to fn call overhead |
| 11:23.16 | aquatix | from what i've heard, it's not very useful |
| 11:23.20 | lardman | awful performance on the dsp that is |
| 11:23.36 | rm_you | is still looking forward to SBC-DSP :P |
| 11:23.39 | RST38h | lardman: ARMEL abi calls functions as follows: |
| 11:23.50 | hrw | rm_you: will try it when it will appear in repo |
| 11:24.08 | hrw | rm_you: or when will have sbox working which rather do not happen soon |
| 11:24.22 | |tbb| | i thought it could use the opengl power of the n810 chip ;( |
| 11:24.23 | rm_you | hrw: he released the binaries |
| 11:24.35 | RST38h | lardman: 1. Return address goes to R14. 2. Stack pointer is in R13. 3. If your function uses any local variables, R12 will point to the call frame with these variables on stack |
| 11:25.44 | RST38h | lardman: Registers R0..R3 are considered scratch registers and never saved. When you call a function, first 4 arguments are passed via these registers |
| 11:26.14 | RST38h | lardman: So, when you enter a function, the first thing it will do is save all modified registers starting with R4 on stack using stmdb |
| 11:26.48 | RST38h | lardman: *If* you are using local vars, R12 will be saved. *If* you are calling other functions, R14 will be saved. |
| 11:26.51 | lardman | RST38h: the fn in question has two pointer arguments and two local arrays |
| 11:27.07 | RST38h | lardman: At exit, it will execute ldmia to restore registers. That is all. |
| 11:27.08 | lardman | no other calls from this fn |
| 11:27.19 | RST38h | local arrays? how big? |
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| 11:27.42 | RST38h | Can I have the function source code to look at? |
| 11:27.43 | lardman | int array1[8], array2[5] |
| 11:27.50 | lardman | of course, let me find an url for it |
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| 11:29.32 | lardman | RST38h: https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/connectivity/bluez-utils/tags/bluez-utils-3.28-0osso4/sbc/sbc.c |
| 11:29.42 | lardman | RST38h: that's the ARM code anyway |
| 11:30.06 | lardman | RST38h: here's the number of calls: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2008-June/033918.html |
| 11:30.42 | lardman | RST38h: the dsp code is some 7x slower than the ARM code; I'm now wondering if that's down to an expensive fn call |
| 11:31.02 | lardman | or rather 160672 x2 expensive fn calls |
| 11:31.24 | RST38h | Is your C code in ARM or DSP? |
| 11:32.02 | lardman | my C code runs on the DSP, I'd like to compare the overhead vs ARM |
| 11:32.23 | lardman | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/mk2/dsp/?root=dsp-sbc is the same code as runs on ARM (with 16bit byte changes) |
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| 11:32.42 | lardman | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/mk3/dsp/?root=dsp-sbc is code which tries to use DSP intrinisics and dual MACs |
| 11:33.10 | lardman | the fn args are the same, just the internals of the _sbc_analyze_eight() fn |
| 11:33.51 | hrw | rm_you: installed |
| 11:34.00 | RST38h | lardman: So you want to know what DSP calling convention is? |
| 11:34.33 | lardman | RST38h: I think I've seen that somewhere in the DSP docs, I'll try to dig it out later on |
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| 11:35.32 | RST38h | Is sbc.c compiled on ARM or on DSP? |
| 11:36.09 | lardman | dsp |
| 11:36.27 | jott | hm does the dsp c compiler support inline? |
| 11:36.33 | lardman | yes |
| 11:36.45 | lardman | not sure of the syntax though off the top of my head |
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| 11:37.46 | herwood | robtaylor: are you still around? |
| 11:37.58 | lardman | I guess inlining both the sbc_analyze_eight() and _sbc_analyze_eight() fns would rule out the fn calling overhead theory |
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| 11:44.27 | robtaylor | herwood: yep |
| 11:45.00 | lardman | lunchtime, I'll see whether inlining those two makes any difference |
| 11:46.47 | RST38h | lardman: Ok. Here is the deal |
| 11:47.28 | RST38h | lardman: DSP is completely different from ARM. They have different instruction sets, different ABI, different memory access speeds, etc. |
| 11:47.45 | RST38h | lardman: So comparing calling overhead between these two makes no sense. |
| 11:48.14 | herwood | robtaylor: I got my service to run in the system dbus but I still have a problem |
| 11:48.22 | RST38h | lardman: BUT! If you show final DSP assembly code, as generated by compiler, there may be a way to optimize it |
| 11:48.54 | jott | yay! hand-optimizing rules! ;) |
| 11:49.07 | herwood | robtaylor: I have to implement another service's method (from another interface). Do you know that how should I configure the conf-file? |
| 11:49.24 | robtaylor | herwood: umm, what?! |
| 11:49.27 | jott | but thats true, sometimes it's enough to see what the compiler actually generated to rething some code pathes.. |
| 11:49.36 | jott | think |
| 11:49.54 | herwood | I try to be more specific |
| 11:49.56 | herwood | :) |
| 11:50.39 | crashanddie | RST38h, does the dsp have DMA to the RAM ? |
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| 11:51.52 | Andy80 | hi |
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| 11:55.18 | herwood | robtaylor: https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/connectivity/osso-obexsrv/trunk/README |
| 11:56.54 | herwood | robtaylor: I'm trying to implement the handler-interface and register my own handler |
| 11:57.05 | jott | hm is garage down? |
| 11:57.07 | |tbb| | is it possible to use the agps feature without open the apgs-ui (gui) tool |
| 11:57.09 | herwood | but it just won't work :P |
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| 11:58.07 | jott | |tbb|: afaiu the agps-ui thingy just sets some gconf settings |
| 11:59.07 | |tbb| | oh good to know, perhaps only the lat lan |
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| 11:59.17 | |tbb| | i could do this my myself then ;) |
| 11:59.38 | jott | |tbb|: gconftool-2 -R /system/osso/supl |
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| 11:59.45 | |tbb| | ;) |
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| 12:00.12 | lcuk_mob | i wonder how long i manage to stay before customers return |
| 12:00.12 | crashanddie | what is agps all about ? |
| 12:00.45 | jott | crashanddie: assisted gps, getting faster gps fixes by using additional data |
| 12:00.50 | lcuk_mob | crashanddie: its a way of pre-initializing the gps based upon knowledge around you now (ie phone networks/wifi stuff/silly 50mile map) |
| 12:01.04 | herwood | robtaylor: I think that all my problems are related to xml-file (I use it to generate glib-bindings) or to the conf-file |
| 12:01.44 | crashanddie | so basically, I click on the place I'm at, then launch map, and it'll get a fix faster ? |
| 12:01.55 | lcuk_mob | thats the idea |
| 12:02.00 | lcuk_mob | as long as you are on earth anyway |
| 12:02.08 | crashanddie | yeah |
| 12:02.14 | lcuk_mob | mornin btw |
| 12:02.18 | crashanddie | don't plan on any other planet before the next release |
| 12:02.20 | jott | crashanddie: it will send your proposed location to the supl.nokia.com server |
| 12:02.54 | lcuk_mob | jott - it uploads your location? |
| 12:02.59 | jott | and the server will tell you the satellite positions.. |
| 12:03.14 | jott | lcuk_mob: that's how i understand it.. |
| 12:03.18 | lcuk_mob | what happens with no wifi enabled (in the car) |
| 12:03.34 | RST38h | crash: I do not know |
| 12:03.50 | lcuk_mob | mumbles something about it caching the empharis (sp?) data |
| 12:03.56 | jott | lcuk_mob: connect with a phone :P |
| 12:04.04 | RST38h | ephemeris |
| 12:04.07 | RST38h | + almanac |
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| 12:04.17 | lcuk_mob | ta rst :) |
| 12:04.35 | RST38h | almanac tells you the satellite status while ephemeris tell you satellite locations |
| 12:04.35 | lcuk_mob | jott, phone is never tethered |
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| 12:04.57 | jott | not sure if the position alone will help with the current agps.. |
| 12:05.11 | lcuk_mob | once you have the ephemeris data though i thought that was meant to be valid for months |
| 12:05.16 | crashanddie | wow |
| 12:05.18 | crashanddie | it works |
| 12:05.29 | GeneralAntilles | It works offline, too. |
| 12:05.43 | RST38h | GA: Actually, it does not for me, for some reaosn |
| 12:05.44 | andre___ | oh, classification? cool |
| 12:05.51 | crashanddie | got a fix in about 3 minutes in the house :) |
| 12:05.52 | lcuk_mob | i can occasionally get a rapid fix without even having diablo, but thats so rare |
| 12:06.03 | RST38h | There is a simple experiment you can do |
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| 12:06.16 | RST38h | Start up Maemo mapper and look at satellite status |
| 12:06.24 | RST38h | (RoadMap has an even nicer utility for that) |
| 12:06.30 | GeneralAntilles | andre___, timeless was poking at it yesterday. |
| 12:06.36 | lardman | hmm, they are already inline |
| 12:06.39 | RST38h | If you see satellite numbers at the bottom - it means that you have got a valid almanac |
| 12:06.56 | lcuk_mob | lardman, are you still concerned about timing without having a hiresolution timer? |
| 12:07.00 | RST38h | If you see satellite dots on the "sky" - it means you have got valid ephemeris |
| 12:07.10 | RST38h | lardman: it is not calling overhead |
| 12:07.18 | jott | lardman: is there an objdump or some other simple disassembler to check what the compiler generated? |
| 12:07.20 | RST38h | wanna try something? |
| 12:07.26 | lardman | lcuk_mob: without any timer at all, yes |
| 12:07.27 | andre___ | GeneralAntilles, yeah, and I had to go and after that my battery went out of power, so i couldn't see the backlog. cool |
| 12:07.32 | lardman | RST38h: no |
| 12:07.38 | lardman | jott: yes |
| 12:07.43 | RST38h | don't wanna try something? ;) |
| 12:07.58 | lardman | RST38h: no to whether it was calling overhead |
| 12:08.09 | RST38h | lardman: ok, next guess then: |
| 12:08.31 | RST38h | lardman: could you get rid of your two temporary arrays and replace them with a few temp variables? |
| 12:08.47 | RST38h | lardman: also, make it as few variables as possible, reuse variables if you can |
| 12:08.50 | jott | i.e. are you sure the functions are really inlined? |
| 12:08.55 | lcuk_mob | hmmmm, thats not a good thing. its like chicken and egg. you said the time() function was returning a strange variable repeated over the lo/hi shorts of a 32bit. wild guess, its not the address of the timing data is it (and static cos thats where you grab it from after the function updates... ? |
| 12:09.09 | lardman | jott: I'll check |
| 12:09.15 | lardman | RST38h: to do what? |
| 12:09.33 | RST38h | lardman: to reduce the number of times it has to go into memory |
| 12:09.43 | RST38h | memory accesses can absolutely kill you |
| 12:09.52 | lardman | RST38h: if the fns are inlined, then that shouldn't make much difference |
| 12:09.53 | lcuk_mob | or relatively kill you |
| 12:09.58 | RST38h | lardman: wrong |
| 12:09.59 | lardman | RST38h: oh I see |
| 12:10.12 | RST38h | lardman: it is NOT call overhead, it is memory access overhead |
| 12:10.35 | lardman | RST38h: yes, I see what you mean |
| 12:10.38 | RST38h | As long as you use a few vars, compiler will try placing them into registers |
| 12:10.46 | crashanddie | oh |
| 12:10.51 | RST38h | But arrays will not be registerized in most cases |
| 12:10.53 | lardman | RST38h: depends how many registers I have then, I need 16 32bit variables |
| 12:10.53 | crashanddie | reboot in SSH actually works |
| 12:11.06 | lcuk_mob | reboot doesnt reboot |
| 12:11.07 | RST38h | lardman: you may need fewer - check carefully |
| 12:11.10 | lcuk_mob | its annoyed me from day1 |
| 12:11.14 | RST38h | reodrder computations if you have to |
| 12:11.25 | crashanddie | lcuk_mob, well... I do have the feeling it just did |
| 12:11.44 | lcuk_mob | ahhh, you mean using the reboot command from ssh |
| 12:11.55 | crashanddie | aye |
| 12:11.56 | lcuk_mob | i thought your ssh session lasted over a reboot |
| 12:11.57 | lardman | RST38h: look at the tail end of _sbc_analyze_eight() |
| 12:12.34 | lardman | RST38h: certainly the t[8] variables could be replaced with registers, but then they probably are |
| 12:12.39 | robtaylor | herwood: just do an allow_sendinterface |
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| 12:12.55 | lardman | RST38h: the whole fn is about memory accesses |
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| 12:17.36 | jott | lardman: do you compile with "-x2 Enable inlining of inline functions" ? |
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| 12:18.34 | lardman | jott: -o3 |
| 12:18.46 | lardman | jott: where did you find that flag? |
| 12:19.06 | jott | in the "c55x dsp programmer's guide" |
| 12:20.08 | lardman | jott: which page? |
| 12:20.28 | Jaffa | relaxes over an Eat "big bold" soup whilst having a brief breather at a nightmare of a day. |
| 12:20.31 | jott | 40 |
| 12:20.39 | Jaffa | BTW, anyone trained coLinux or andLinux with Scratchbox? |
| 12:20.55 | lardman | jott: is that 2-18? |
| 12:21.20 | lcuk_mob | lardman, read the opening para of this http://focus.ti.com.cn/cn/lit/an/spra865/spra865.pdf |
| 12:21.22 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, qwerty12 is using andLinux, I think. |
| 12:21.42 | jott | 3-2 here...hmm oh that's not from the ti.com page.. maybe it's an older version?! |
| 12:22.21 | lardman | Optimizing C55x Assembly Code Using the Pipeline Stall Analyzer Tool |
| 12:22.43 | jott | lardman: seems to be an older revision :/ |
| 12:23.16 | lardman | SPRU376A, ch3.2.3 |
| 12:23.17 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles; cool, it doesn't look too bloated. VMware's a bit too slow on my work laptop to do bits of Maemo stuff whilst at work |
| 12:23.37 | ShadowJK | could GPS be made faster, theoretically, if one downloade ephemeris from some place that has the ephemeris for all satellites? |
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| 12:23.44 | ShadowJK | Does the A-GPS tool in diablo already do this? |
| 12:24.07 | Jaffa | ShadowJK: That's exactly what it does. |
| 12:24.13 | ShadowJK | nice |
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| 12:24.57 | ShadowJK | I had the N810 in the pocket yesterday when I went shopping, then when I came home I discovered maemo mapper had managed to track some of my movements inside the mall.. I was impressed |
| 12:25.12 | ShadowJK | not diablo |
| 12:25.46 | crashanddie | ShadowJK, yeah, it's kinda awesome in that way, I have to admit |
| 12:26.01 | lcuk_mob | when we were walking along at linuxtag i discoverde if you swing your 810 round your head gps thinks you are travelling at 40mph :D |
| 12:26.40 | lcuk_mob | anyway, must dash |
| 12:26.43 | lcuk_mob | back later |
| 12:29.03 | lardman | jott: to answer the question about whether it has been inlined, I think so is the answer |
| 12:29.42 | jott | lardman: hm so other places have to be optimized :( |
| 12:30.14 | lardman | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/sbc/sbc.asm |
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| 12:31.06 | lardman | sbc_analyze_audio() is the fn which loops and calls those two *eight/four() fn repeatedly |
| 12:31.12 | darkblue_b | does anyone know how to control the MediaPlayer's volume from the shell? |
| 12:31.46 | jott | mh the "CALL #I$$LMPY" looks suspicious |
| 12:32.43 | inz | dark, you might be able to do it with dbus-send â you could try to use dbus-monitor to find out the details |
| 12:33.29 | darkblue_b | dbus-monitor ? |
| 12:33.58 | |tbb| | have i understand it right, if i open agps-ui it asks supl.nokia.com where the sattelites are. from my last lat lon information which are stored in gconf |
| 12:34.18 | inz | dark, dbus-monitor is a tool with which you can monitor dbus-messages flying in the bus |
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| 12:35.10 | lardman | |tbb|: something like that, but it probably just directly uses the lat long from the map |
| 12:35.25 | darkblue_b | inz: sounds tricky |
| 12:36.14 | lardman | jott: yes |
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| 12:36.43 | inherited | hey. is there an application or way to play .flv-files on my n810? |
| 12:37.35 | lardman | jott: right at the end, it's an undefined external ref |
| 12:37.48 | atul | How to uninstall scratchbox ? |
| 12:37.50 | jott | lardman: do you have access to http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/summary/112651166/SUMMARY via your university? |
| 12:38.05 | lardman | not sure, am at home atm |
| 12:38.42 | lardman | but will have a look when I head back in |
| 12:38.43 | herwood | robtaylor: yeah, thanks again :) |
| 12:38.56 | darkblue_b | I see some refs to agps.. I have been interested in something really simple. telling the unit where you are aproximately, without the GPS mechanism |
| 12:39.02 | darkblue_b | I have an N800 |
| 12:39.18 | lardman | darkblue_b: yes, we'd like an api to talk to supld |
| 12:39.19 | jott | lardman: ah you have to do some wild short/long casting |
| 12:39.22 | |tbb| | so i can store my lat lan position bymyself into gconf, but from what the map application will know where the sattelites are, will they always take the same tour so you know by anytime where the sattelites must stay |
| 12:40.14 | ShadowJK | Anyone else find the N810 headphone output noisy? :P |
| 12:42.38 | lardman | jott: I'm not quite sure where all those casts are coming from |
| 12:44.09 | jott | lardman: query .. :) |
| 12:44.41 | lardman | I$$LMPY is presumably a long multiply, though why it's a fn call I don't know, unless it will be expanded later on |
| 12:45.40 | ShadowJK | How does the volume work in N810 anyway, is it just making the DSP or something scale down the samples? |
| 12:45.58 | ShadowJK | Wondering if I'd get less noise if I set volume to max and added an analogue volume control |
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| 12:48.13 | ShadowJK | oh yeah, that did improve it somewhat |
| 12:48.57 | ShadowJK | heh |
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| 12:49.33 | ShadowJK | If I press stop in media player, the noise goes away too, then the touchscreen sounds also activate the noise, which stays there a second or so after the sound has been played |
| 12:50.00 | ShadowJK | or rather 3 seconds |
| 12:50.17 | ShadowJK | I guess the sound hardware is powered down when not in use |
| 12:52.20 | eichi | my rss feed reader doesnt take new feeds |
| 12:52.25 | ShadowJK | I've seen other people complain about low volume, but I have to set it to about 10% to not blow out eardrums with headphones |
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| 12:58.14 | robtaylor | herwood: did thatt work? |
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| 12:59.01 | pupnik | generally you do best playing high volume in software then reducing the volume at the last step in the chain (analog op-amp probably) |
| 12:59.07 | lardman | hmm, I've spotted something far more insidious, I've set the code to loop through 5000 times (when processing properly it does 5032 iirc) but not do any calcs |
| 12:59.07 | herwood | robtaylor: there is still something wrong |
| 12:59.16 | lardman | and it takes ~18s, vs ~20s with processing |
| 12:59.29 | derf | pupnik: Unless you start clipping, of course. |
| 12:59.36 | lardman | damn, my first testing was wrong, looks like the hold up may well be in the data transfer |
| 12:59.59 | herwood | robtaylor: in the glib-bind file, should there be this: <interface name="com.nokia.ObexServer.Handler"> |
| 13:00.10 | lardman | ~lart lardman for not double checking |
| 13:00.10 | infobot | lowers lardman's priority for not double checking |
| 13:00.34 | herwood | robtaylor: or should the interface name be my own eg. org.my.interface? |
| 13:00.42 | jott | haha @infobot ;) |
| 13:02.18 | RST38h | lardman: have you got disassembly somewhere? |
| 13:02.44 | jott | RST38h: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/sbc/sbc.asm |
| 13:03.04 | RST38h | thanks |
| 13:03.19 | robtaylor | herwood: the former, you're implemebting an interface |
| 13:03.37 | robtaylor | herwood: sounds like you have a confusion between bus names an interface names |
| 13:03.47 | robtaylor | herwood: have a slow read of the dbus spec ;) |
| 13:06.23 | herwood | robtaylor: yeah, I've read it a couple of times but there are still stuff that I just don't get.. :P |
| 13:06.41 | RST38h | Codel ooksok although I do not quite understand how memory locations are defined |
| 13:06.42 | robtaylor | herwood: heh |
| 13:07.16 | robtaylor | herwood: think of well known bus names like dns, uniqe bus names (":1.0") like ips |
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| 13:07.33 | robtaylor | herwood: interfaces are scoping namespaces |
| 13:07.47 | lardman | RST38h: I think this may be an ARM->DSP->ARM transfer bottleneck |
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| 13:08.44 | herwood | robtaylor: ok, but how can I tell that I'm implementing the com.nokia.ObexServer.Handler -interface? |
| 13:09.14 | jott | lardman: can you measure arm->dsp and dsp->arm separately? |
| 13:09.31 | herwood | damn, my brains are freezed.. :S |
| 13:09.40 | lardman | jott: I'll have to write some code and then test from the ARM side with "time" |
| 13:09.43 | herwood | *frozen |
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| 13:12.06 | lardman | hold fire on that, looking at the asm, the encode fn was still called |
| 13:12.13 | lardman | ~lart having too many windows open |
| 13:12.13 | infobot | runs at having too many windows open with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut |
| 13:12.51 | herwood | robtaylor: hmm, I think the xml-file is now working |
| 13:13.34 | RST38h | lardman: quite possible |
| 13:13.57 | RST38h | lardman: is there a reasonably reliable version that I can test with BT headphones though? |
| 13:14.19 | herwood | robtaylor: but should the conf-file include this line: <allow send_interface="com.nokia.ObexServer.Handler"/> |
| 13:15.45 | herwood | robtaylor: or my own interface in the send_interface..? |
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| 13:17.31 | lardman | Right, some confirmed figures now; 5022 data passes (512 8bit bytes from ARM->DSP and 76 8bit bytes (iirc) DSP->ARM) with no encoding, takes 9.21+0.94+2.92s |
| 13:18.13 | lardman | so about half the time is spend shifting data around (as the with encoding case was ~18s +..+.. |
| 13:18.31 | robtaylor | herwood: both |
| 13:18.38 | herwood | oh |
| 13:18.45 | X-Fade | lardman: Doesn't that seem like a really low data rate? |
| 13:18.50 | jott | lardman: yieks is this supposed to be that slow? |
| 13:18.50 | robtaylor | herwood: i presume your implement a) a serveice that has an interface and a well known bus name |
| 13:19.05 | lardman | Yes, very slow |
| 13:19.10 | robtaylor | herwood: and b) its also implement a handler inetrface so it can be called by the obex stuff |
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| 13:19.34 | X-Fade | lardman: Can't you pass larger batches of bytes instead of only 512? |
| 13:19.55 | RST38h | lardman: something is majorly wrong |
| 13:19.56 | lardman | X-Fade: That's what the bluez code gives me; I could do, but it would produce latency |
| 13:19.58 | herwood | robtaylor: yeah |
| 13:20.16 | robtaylor | herwood: also note that those interfaces are probably on different objects |
| 13:20.19 | X-Fade | lardman: Can't you just double the amount to see if it takes the same time? |
| 13:20.24 | lardman | The DSP encode still takes far too long, the ARM code was closer to 3s for the whole lot |
| 13:20.36 | robtaylor | herwood: so two seperate lots of introspextion xml |
| 13:21.20 | lardman | X-Fade: not with this code, I'm tricking sbcenc into thinking I'm encoding data; I will write a test task to see how long it takes |
| 13:21.27 | herwood | robtaylor: these things are pretty complicated.. :D |
| 13:22.29 | lardman | X-Fade: There are other options for passing the data, atm I use bulk transfers, but shared memory may be a better bet |
| 13:22.48 | RST38h | lardman: if there is a shared memory option, use it by all means |
| 13:23.00 | RST38h | lardman: 'cause this is what you are supposed to use =) |
| 13:23.11 | X-Fade | lardman: A 2400 BAUD modem transfers data faster, something must be wrong ;) |
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| 13:23.24 | lardman | RST38h: yes, I'll work out how to do the synchronisation with that; I used bulk as it's simple and I thought it was fast enough |
| 13:23.54 | herwood | robtaylor: do you know any good tutorial or document where there things are described? |
| 13:23.56 | lardman | X-Fade: you'll probably find that the amount of data is immaterial, there is simply lots of overhead |
| 13:24.20 | RST38h | lardman: use a memory location at the end of the buffer - set it to 1 on ARM side, then set it to 0 on DSP side when it is done |
| 13:24.30 | X-Fade | lardman: yeah, that is why you should try to transfer larger blocks or shared mem indeed. |
| 13:24.32 | herwood | robtaylor: I've only found the DBus tutorial, but it doesn't decribe all of these things |
| 13:24.47 | lardman | RST38h: and poll on the dsp/arm side while waiting? |
| 13:25.03 | lardman | RST38h: or rather a tight loop looking at that location? |
| 13:26.01 | RST38h | lardman: I would say, while(location) usleep(100000); |
| 13:26.22 | RST38h | 100ms latency - should not be a problem for audio playback |
| 13:27.07 | lardman | ok |
| 13:27.12 | robtaylor | herwood: yeah, its not great. I usually recommend looking at the examples in the source tree, or looking at other users of dbus-glib |
| 13:27.30 | lardman | Will need to shift the sbc code out of the task and into a thread to avoid poll errors |
| 13:27.40 | lardman | should be a quick job though |
| 13:27.47 | lardman | (fingers crossed :) |
| 13:28.03 | herwood | robtaylor: yeah, I'll take a look at it |
| 13:33.47 | AStorm | drako: well, I'm yet to try to run wifi on something newer |
| 13:34.13 | AStorm | I can build it for all kernels, but I think there was some kobject change which breaks umac.o nicely |
| 13:34.24 | AStorm | making it dereference NULL - a blasphemy ;P |
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| 13:35.41 | AStorm | I suspect it might even work up to and including 2.6.23 |
| 13:35.53 | AStorm | ofc to build wifi for newer kernel, you have to hack the build system etc. |
| 13:36.31 | AStorm | and strip most symbols from {umac,mtum}.ko, readd them with a hack ;P |
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| 13:50.48 | hrw | ~curse maemopadplus autors |
| 13:50.49 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, maemopadplus autors ! |
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| 13:55.11 | drako | sorry AStorm I was away |
| 13:56.24 | hrw | where I can find libgps{bt,mgr)-dev? |
| 13:57.25 | drako | AStorm i'm doing my first kernel compilation for the n810 going to flash it now |
| 13:58.36 | wnd | hrw, I think they're part of maemo sdk, and optionally installed to $HOME/maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_$VERSION/. apt-repository entry is added to sources.list if you let the installer to do so. |
| 14:05.24 | GeneralAntilles | lol, the quote on the bottom of the page here seems to be almost entirely lifted from wikipedia: http://www.ddj.com/java/208801979;jsessionid=GZLX3TP3Z1XI0QSNDLPSKHSCJUNN2JVN?pgno=3 |
| 14:08.59 | wnd | I think it's rather rule than exception to quote wikipedia without quotes or references to it |
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| 14:09.43 | GeneralAntilles | Doesn't make it right. ;) |
| 14:09.49 | GeneralAntilles | I like how he completely misinterpreted the stuff he actually seems to have written himself, though. |
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| 14:10.29 | jott | GeneralAntilles: "Java and the Nokia N10 Internet Tablet" haha also a nice typo in headline ;) |
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| 14:12.10 | jott | mh |
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| 14:12.48 | sp3000 | meh, just another off-by-eight-hundred error |
| 14:12.52 | RST38h | GA: DrDobbs hacks also plagiarize Wiki now? |
| 14:13.08 | RST38h | [Where is this world going?] |
| 14:16.37 | GeneralAntilles | Heel |
| 14:16.42 | GeneralAntilles | s/Heel/Hell/ |
| 14:16.44 | GeneralAntilles | I blame Nokia. |
| 14:16.59 | derf | GeneralAntilles: In a Handbasket. |
| 14:17.03 | RST38h | Why not Microsoft though? |
| 14:17.12 | RST38h | Or Google. |
| 14:17.31 | GeneralAntilles | Because Microsoft hasn't released any products codenamed "Diablo". :P |
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| 14:20.08 | crashanddie | having fun ? |
| 14:20.38 | GeneralAntilles | Stupid focus bugs are stupid. |
| 14:21.29 | crashanddie | hence the name |
| 14:22.11 | GeneralAntilles | That's the one thing that really pisses me off about modern operating systems. |
| 14:22.24 | GeneralAntilles | They like to decide where the focus should be, and it's frequently not actually where I want it to be. |
| 14:23.12 | derf | It's not just operating systems. |
| 14:23.24 | derf | I've yet to see a Mozilla-based browser with a sane focus policy. |
| 14:23.52 | GeneralAntilles | MicroB's "pay attention to me" bug is fun. |
| 14:23.55 | derf | It's almost as if the people developing it don't _have_ keyboards, or don't know how to use them. |
| 14:24.04 | GeneralAntilles | "Look! I'm doing things!" |
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| 14:25.25 | deebus | has anyone experienced any problems with modest mail using gmail? |
| 14:25.35 | wnd | yes |
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| 14:27.01 | deebus | wnd: is a problem connecting to smtp.gmail.com? |
| 14:27.34 | deebus | no matter what settings I try, it can't connect to send mail |
| 14:27.44 | deebus | pop works fine, but smtp doesn't connect |
| 14:28.02 | wnd | well, the last I checked I didn't have any real blocker problems. I just didn't like the way how modest always downloaded all mail headers instead the latest 50 I had configured it to do get. |
| 14:28.26 | deebus | wnd: what are your smtp settings? maybe I have something set up incorrectly |
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| 14:28.44 | wnd | let me check if I still have the settings in place |
| 14:28.54 | luogni | deebus: i started having problems with gmail/smtp yesterday! |
| 14:29.09 | luogni | deebus: it seems that sometime mails are sent but modest reports a problem |
| 14:29.23 | deebus | I can't even connect to smtp.gmail.com |
| 14:29.23 | wnd | seems that I don't have any email settings defined for modest right now |
| 14:29.29 | luogni | deebus: i had no problem for example 3 or 4 days ago.. always using modest and diablo |
| 14:29.38 | luogni | deebus: on ho i can connect fine |
| 14:29.46 | luogni | deebus: smtp.gmail.com port 465 iirc |
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| 14:30.21 | deebus | is it set to ssl or tls? |
| 14:30.37 | luogni | ssl |
| 14:30.50 | luogni | login authentication |
| 14:31.14 | deebus | yeah, that's what I have. seems it can't connect to the box |
| 14:31.31 | deebus | is there a way to get more detailed information about why it errors out like that?' |
| 14:31.40 | deebus | like dumping std. err to std. out, or something like that? |
| 14:31.45 | luogni | deebus: don't kwno.. but tell me if you find something :) |
| 14:31.56 | X-Fade | deebus: It works for me. |
| 14:32.41 | luogni | now it works for me too |
| 14:32.54 | luogni | but yesterday wasn't working.. maybe a gmail problem |
| 14:33.02 | luogni | i didn't test with another client.. |
| 14:34.34 | deebus | lol |
| 14:34.42 | deebus | I must have been tired when I set that up last night... |
| 14:34.50 | deebus | smtp.google.com != smtp.gmail.com |
| 14:34.54 | deebus | I am an retarded |
| 14:35.18 | qwerty12 | *a retard :P |
| 14:35.33 | deebus | right. I was laying it on thick... |
| 14:35.46 | qwerty12 | I'm only joking :) |
| 14:36.20 | deebus | well I'm glad we were able to figure out my boner |
| 14:36.31 | deebus | ...I'm in a strange mood this morning |
| 14:41.40 | deebus | thanks folks |
| 14:41.49 | deebus | I'm going to go pull another boner. my own, of course |
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| 15:05.51 | JamieBennett | I'm trying to save a file with my app to /usr/share/applications/app_name. In scratchbox thats fine, on the tablet this dir is made root. Any idea's on how to install the app with this directory writeable? |
| 15:06.36 | hrw | JamieBennett: please learn how unix system works |
| 15:06.45 | hrw|gone | see you on guadec guys |
| 15:07.01 | JamieBennett | LOL I think I know how it works hrw |
| 15:07.21 | JamieBennett | I've used it for the last 13 years :) |
| 15:07.23 | jott | hrw|gone: have fun. |
| 15:07.36 | hrw|gone | JamieBennett: then why you think that user has write permissions in /usr/ dirs? |
| 15:08.01 | hrw|gone | user should not touch outside of $HOME and /tmp/ |
| 15:08.49 | JamieBennett | I'm trying to package an app up that stores a file it has downloaded. I was under the impression that the tablet apps had to store stuff under their app dir under /usr/share, that obviously isn't the case then. $HOME it is then |
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| 15:13.54 | lardman | hmm, semaphores don't appear to ever time out on the DSP... |
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| 15:30.39 | mrlanrat1 | Hey, My charger for my N810 just broke, it is covered by the warantee? |
| 15:30.49 | GeneralAntilles | How'd it break? |
| 15:31.20 | qwerty12 | mrlanrat1, is it a standard nokia charger? |
| 15:31.24 | mrlanrat1 | tes |
| 15:31.30 | mrlanrat1 | *yes |
| 15:31.57 | nomis | mrlanrat1: it probably is covered by warranty, but I'd recommend to get a cheap substitute yourself. |
| 15:32.16 | nomis | mrlanrat1: otherwise you'd probably have to send in the whole package including the N810. |
| 15:32.21 | qwerty12 | Dunno if it is covered by the warranty but it shouldn't be expensive to get a new one. My N800's charger works in N80 and my brothers N73. |
| 15:32.25 | mrlanrat1 | Im not too sure, But this morning when I unpluged it from charging it had a lot of difficulty coming out, when I got it out the plug is bent. |
| 15:32.57 | nomis | mrlanrat1: uh. Is the pin inside the N810 still in the center of the hole? |
| 15:33.00 | mrlanrat1 | Id need to send my N810 in just to get a new charger??? |
| 15:33.06 | mrlanrat1 | no, the plug on the charger |
| 15:33.12 | mrlanrat1 | the pin is fine |
| 15:33.16 | nomis | ah ok. |
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| 15:34.03 | nomis | mrlanrat1: well, chat with your dealer, but I had a similiar problem with my N800 some time ago, the german nokia shop was unwilling. |
| 15:34.27 | mrlanrat1 | I bought mine off the official nokia store |
| 15:34.30 | mrlanrat1 | online |
| 15:34.35 | GeneralAntilles | Amazon usually stocks the Nokia chargers for about $2.50 a piece |
| 15:34.39 | nomis | too |
| 15:34.40 | GeneralAntilles | shipping is a little heavy, though. |
| 15:34.52 | GeneralAntilles | Get 3 or 4 of them and spread 'em around the house. ;) |
| 15:35.20 | nomis | yeah, getting a cheap 3rd party charger is probably way easier than trying to figure out how the warranty is supposed to work. |
| 15:35.36 | mrlanrat1 | yha, but I dont want to buy a new one, I just want to get mine replaced, and it should be free, I dont feel I should need to send my N810 in also. |
| 15:35.52 | nomis | mrlanrat1: well, the only way then is to ask them. |
| 15:36.17 | GeneralAntilles | $6 |
| 15:36.18 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FTG6EA |
| 15:36.45 | qwerty12 | That's not a bad price. |
| 15:36.49 | qwerty12 | goes amazon.co.uk |
| 15:36.51 | mrlanrat1 | ok (looks for N810 box for warantee card) |
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| 15:37.16 | mrlanrat1 | ~$5 |
| 15:37.39 | qwerty12 | I think infobot charges more :P |
| 15:37.47 | GeneralAntilles | Probably cost you more to ship the charger back to Nokia. |
| 15:38.02 | mrlanrat1 | they dont give you free shipping? |
| 15:38.03 | drako | to flash a new kernel do i need to restart n810 like when i upgraded to diablo? |
| 15:38.16 | qwerty12 | drako, you restart after flashing kernel |
| 15:38.23 | qwerty12 | (depends on which tool you use to flash) |
| 15:38.23 | GeneralAntilles | They'll ship it to you for free |
| 15:38.29 | GeneralAntilles | but you still have to ship it to them. |
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| 15:38.50 | drako | no i mean i need to turn it on so that he gets the new kernel? |
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| 15:38.59 | drako | the flasher tool |
| 15:39.01 | nomis | AC4E: 4 EUR at german amazon... :) |
| 15:39.31 | mrlanrat1 | Nokia should change that, with most companys (like HP with my laptop) they pay for you to ship it to them and for them to ship it back |
| 15:40.05 | jott | drako: yes, you need to reboot and use the flasher tool |
| 15:40.06 | GeneralAntilles | "most companies" |
| 15:40.13 | GeneralAntilles | Where are you getting your statistics? |
| 15:40.15 | jott | drako: you can also just boot the kernel without flashing |
| 15:40.23 | mrlanrat1 | sorry, good point... |
| 15:40.45 | drako | how can i do that jott ? |
| 15:40.46 | jott | drako: flasher --load --boot --kernel kernelImage |
| 15:40.49 | mrlanrat1 | the warantee book does not have any information... |
| 15:40.57 | GeneralAntilles | Call them |
| 15:40.59 | GeneralAntilles | They can tell you. |
| 15:41.03 | jott | and if all is fine flasher -f -k kernelImage to actually flash |
| 15:41.03 | drako | thank you :) |
| 15:41.10 | mrlanrat1 | where can I find the number? |
| 15:41.17 | GeneralAntilles | Probably on their website. . . . |
| 15:41.24 | mrlanrat1 | yha, already looking |
| 15:42.58 | drako | ok i getting a stupid error Sending request 0x01 failed |
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| 15:43.42 | mrlanrat1 | o, great.... They are closed today.. Ill need to wait till monday. |
| 15:44.01 | qwerty12 | Just a quick q, which is correct? -mcpu=arm1136j-sfp or -mcpu=arm1136j-s ? |
| 15:44.47 | drako | could someone help me with that? |
| 15:44.54 | mrlanrat1 | GeneralAntilles, thanks for the link I will probably end up getting that. |
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| 15:53.27 | drako | can't get flasher to work could someone help me? |
| 15:53.45 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I'm pitching a lightning session at the summit of using tablet-encode and its GUI |
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| 15:54.57 | GeneralAntilles | Sounds cool |
| 15:57.16 | drako | ok now how can i check i it started with the new kernel? |
| 15:57.38 | qwerty12 | Try something like uname -a or cat /proc/version |
| 15:58.32 | drako | :-P me stupid! |
| 15:58.42 | eocanha | Someone could tell me what's different among the autobuilder environment and a normal Diablo scratchbox environment? |
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| 15:58.59 | eocanha | This way of autodetecting if I'm on Maemo doesn't work: |
| 15:59.08 | eocanha | PKG_CONFIG=/usr/bin/pkg-config |
| 15:59.26 | eocanha | if $PKG_CONFIG --exists libosso && readlink /etc|grep -q ^/targets; then MAEMO...... |
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| 16:02.14 | inz | eocanha, why do you need to detect if you're on maemo? |
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| 16:02.32 | eocanha | because my package can build on maemo and also on plain gnome |
| 16:02.54 | eocanha | (using Hildon libs or not depending on the build environment) |
| 16:02.54 | inz | Why don't you just use what's available? |
| 16:04.04 | eocanha | I need to detect what platform I'm in |
| 16:05.26 | qwerty12 | shouldn't have used ke-recv-test y/day >.< |
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| 16:16.09 | kulve | eocanha: so, you don't want to know for what platform you are building for but you want to know if you are building for hildon or plain gtk? |
| 16:16.36 | kulve | (hildon does exist on other platforms than Nokia's tablets..) |
| 16:16.38 | eocanha | yes, I explained myself bad |
| 16:16.48 | kulve | so, check for hildon. If found, use it |
| 16:17.59 | kulve | many libraries or applications use pkgconfig check in configure and makefiles to do that. I'm sure you'll find some good example |
| 16:18.32 | Atarii | so i want to compile some drivers for my nokia, what do i need to install to do it directly on the device? |
| 16:18.48 | kulve | too much |
| 16:18.51 | eocanha | thanks |
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| 16:19.19 | drako | time to go home |
| 16:19.35 | drako | thank you very much guys |
| 16:19.49 | drako | enjoy and c u all tomorrow |
| 16:19.54 | drako | cheers |
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| 17:11.30 | inz | foo. |
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| 17:19.11 | sp3000 | ehm |
| 17:19.39 | sp3000 | what's an idiomatic way to check if there are any /im/in/ur/path/*.extension files around in shell? |
| 17:20.00 | sp3000 | is only coming up with buckets of lame |
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| 17:26.55 | lardman | if I do: sbc->output_flag = (short *)(buf+2); will the +2 be bytes or shorts? |
| 17:28.11 | sp3000 | writes ls /im/in/ur/path/*.extension >/dev/null 2>&1 and looks a bit sad |
| 17:28.24 | lardman | sorry sp3000, I don't know |
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| 17:43.02 | GeneralAntilles | lol, dneary, having fun cleaning up that article all by your lonesome? :P |
| 17:43.15 | dneary | Doing it right now :) |
| 17:43.27 | dneary | At least the "putting tablet into USB mode" bit |
| 17:43.32 | dneary | But I don't have all the info |
| 17:43.46 | GeneralAntilles | I'd help, but I don't use usbnet |
| 17:44.03 | lardman | I can help from memory ~5 years ago on the Zaurus :) |
| 17:44.33 | GeneralAntilles | Seems like a lot of that stuff should really just be dumped |
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| 17:47.24 | lardman | I should have some time tomorrow to look at stuff though |
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| 17:47.40 | lardman | I will import the dspprogramming page, almost promise :) |
| 17:48.05 | GeneralAntilles | shakes his head. |
| 17:48.11 | GeneralAntilles | itT is so not worth it anymore. |
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| 17:48.43 | kulve | lardman: won't that +2 be in the units of buf? |
| 17:49.27 | kulve | lardman: i.e. the +2 is first, then the cast to short * |
| 17:50.09 | dneary | I'm thinking of simply taking out the "configuring your host" sections |
| 17:50.15 | dneary | They definitely need to be shorter |
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| 17:50.59 | GeneralAntilles | They're really overwhelming |
| 17:50.59 | dneary | It should be "insert kernel module X, ensure that there's an if script for usb0, plug in the tablet and cross your fingers" or whatever |
| 17:50.59 | GeneralAntilles | and there's way too much distro-specific nonsense |
| 17:51.18 | dneary | I've stripped over half the page already in the first section, and a quick elimination of doubled-up information |
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| 17:52.05 | Talus_n810 | hello |
| 17:52.11 | Talus_n810 | :) |
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| 17:53.32 | Talus_n810 | a friend of mine asked me if existed a maemo version to install into ipaq pdas |
| 17:53.46 | Talus_n810 | is there? |
| 17:53.48 | kulve | Talus_n810: nope (afaik) |
| 17:54.00 | Talus_n810 | ok |
| 17:54.31 | Talus_n810 | that would be awsome |
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| 18:02.13 | lardman | kulve: I hope so, just checking |
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| 18:03.20 | lardman | Talus_n810: There used to be an OpenEmbedded Maemo target, but I think it's not maintained any more |
| 18:04.17 | Talus_n810 | i c lardman |
| 18:04.38 | Talus_n810 | is there documentation for that? |
| 18:05.06 | lardman | Talus_n810: certainly not here, perhaps in the openembedded mailing list, but most likely you'd need to talk to koen |
| 18:05.19 | Talus_n810 | i have some rookies here that i could ask to try that |
| 18:05.36 | lardman | I think it's well out of date now though |
| 18:05.44 | Talus_n810 | i mean get into it |
| 18:06.24 | Talus_n810 | i'm not expert in embed stuff or OS |
| 18:06.26 | lardman | try koen on #Angstrom or #OE and see what he has to say about it |
| 18:06.51 | Talus_n810 | cool ! |
| 18:07.03 | lardman | but make sure you know what you want to ask, he gets impatient :) |
| 18:07.32 | Talus_n810 | ok :) |
| 18:07.53 | lardman | come back to me if you don't get any sense and I'll have a chat with him |
| 18:08.20 | Talus_n810 | thanks |
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| 18:13.16 | tich | http://theworldismycanvas.com/ |
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| 18:14.36 | GeneralAntilles | paints graffiti on n800n's garage door. |
| 18:15.06 | n800n | as soon as i finish this book i'm reading on the n800 i'm gonna switch to diablo |
| 18:15.07 | n800n | i think |
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| 18:15.47 | n800n | i f i get the balls. |
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| 18:18.09 | ralann|mbp | heh |
| 18:18.29 | ralann|mbp | i sqitched a couple days ago |
| 18:18.33 | lcuk | n800n, if you add the right rpoe, you can just do "apt-get install balls" |
| 18:18.39 | lcuk | repo^ |
| 18:18.41 | n800n | haha |
| 18:18.43 | Talus_n810 | what book is that? |
| 18:18.56 | n800n | brave new world |
| 18:18.56 | ralann|mbp | it's actually not a painful upgrade |
| 18:19.13 | qwerty12_N800 | you won't find that package on lcuk's repo :p |
| 18:19.23 | n800n | haha |
| 18:19.39 | ralann|mbp | the builtin email program is actually usable |
| 18:19.50 | n800n | i use webmail |
| 18:19.54 | lcuk | no qwerty12_N800 there isnt enough space to fit them in |
| 18:20.21 | n800n | i've read 6 books in fbreader so far |
| 18:20.23 | n800n | if not more |
| 18:20.24 | qwerty12_N800 | heh |
| 18:20.27 | _matthias_ | loves the new integrated mail program |
| 18:20.30 | n800n | i love having all those books with me |
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| 18:27.30 | RST38h | Oh dear! They have fixed the Modest crash bug!!! |
| 18:28.23 | lcuk | they didnt fix the firefox 3 crash bug though, mines just vanished |
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| 18:30.52 | Addison | qwerty!!! What's up homie? :o) |
| 18:31.06 | andre___ | RST38h, well, happens. :-P |
| 18:31.27 | GeneralAntilles | lol. . . . |
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| 18:33.01 | Addison | Hey jott, any chance you're conscious right now? :) |
| 18:38.53 | timelyx | andre___: ping timeout :) |
| 18:39.52 | jott | Addison: more or less ;) |
| 18:40.11 | timelyx | X-Fade: i thought i saw nix earlier this week ... |
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| 18:42.34 | timelyx | sp3000: on windows, iirc where.exe has specific support for searching PATH :) |
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| 18:45.06 | RST38h | andre: Well, if it only were available as an update... |
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| 18:45.16 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, svn? |
| 18:45.40 | RST38h | GA: I am too lazy to compile system packages from SVN |
| 18:45.58 | RST38h | extras-devel is the most I can make myself use |
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| 18:46.32 | GeneralAntilles | johnx compiled it yesterday |
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| 18:46.39 | GeneralAntilles | I'm sure you can talk him into tossing you a binary |
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| 18:47.40 | RST38h | GA: =) |
| 18:49.15 | andre___ | RST38h, i do hope that they are going to ship an Email and Browser update. Too many bugs, IMO |
| 18:49.27 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 18:49.32 | GeneralAntilles | Too many indeed. . . . |
| 18:50.05 | lcuk | but this is the cast iron test of diablo is it not? |
| 18:50.39 | jott | heh now if this only would not break osso-software-version-* :p |
| 18:51.04 | timelyx | andre___: thanks for pushing the google presentations thing :) |
| 18:51.08 | GeneralAntilles | jott, install osso-software-version-rx*4-unlocked |
| 18:51.23 | timelyx | btw, definitely use the logger when you run into browser reports :) |
| 18:51.24 | jott | GeneralAntilles: as enduser?! |
| 18:51.39 | andre___ | timelyx, we're good citizens, aren't we? ;-) |
| 18:51.41 | timelyx | andre___: we're going to try to have a number of updates (no guarantees) |
| 18:52.00 | andre___ | yeah, i heard rumours... |
| 18:52.04 | timelyx | andre___: nice and painless logging eh, ? :) |
| 18:52.07 | GeneralAntilles | Er, what's your point? If you're installing a compiled Modest svn, then you can probably manage an apt-get install, if it's being pushed via SSU, then osso-software-version gets updated. |
| 18:52.10 | andre___ | yupp |
| 18:52.12 | lcuk | strokes https://garage.maemo.org/projects/liqbase/ (still empty atm) |
| 18:52.49 | jott | GeneralAntilles: yep, only wonder if they really bump the o-s-v for every "minor" package update :) |
| 18:53.02 | GeneralAntilles | They'd have to. |
| 18:53.05 | jott | does not care about osso-software-version-* at all |
| 18:53.05 | timelyx | jott: we plan to |
| 18:53.09 | keesj | lcuk: going open source? |
| 18:53.10 | timelyx | that's the package that gets updated |
| 18:53.16 | timelyx | everything else is pulled in by dependencies |
| 18:53.17 | lcuk | keesj :) yes |
| 18:53.38 | keesj | good |
| 18:53.41 | lcuk | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21556 |
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| 18:54.04 | timelyx | sighs |
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| 18:54.38 | timelyx | lcdd: that'll be on mxr.maemo.org/garage w/ the next sync, after i get more quota space :) |
| 18:54.40 | timelyx | err |
| 18:54.49 | timelyx | s/lcdd/lcuk/ |
| 18:55.16 | timelyx | andre___: anyway, did the bugs.maemo.org change bite you badly? |
| 18:55.32 | jott | lcuk: still hesistating?! :) |
| 18:55.37 | timelyx | (the sun is setting on this conversation, quite literally) |
| 18:55.41 | lcuk | timelyx, not yet it wont, ive still got to compile and learn about svn for the tablet |
| 18:55.53 | lcuk | not at all jott, ive given the source to some folks now |
| 18:56.01 | lcuk | its all tagged up, just making arrangements |
| 18:56.32 | jott | sweet |
| 18:56.38 | andre___ | timelyx, well, i was surprised. but hey, i won't contradict anybody who minimizes my workload :-P |
| 18:56.46 | GeneralAntilles | timelyx, I was thinking about throwing the "maemo.org isn't actually part of Maemo Software"-wrench into the works. :D |
| 18:56.50 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, thanks |
| 18:57.08 | andre___ | it's good to see that it's possible. and i like it, it's not that intrusive and probably the best way to keep the house clean |
| 18:57.09 | lcuk | qwerty12_N800, :P you shouldnt have it yet |
| 18:57.11 | timelyx | lcuk: oh, it'll probably take me a month before that happens |
| 18:57.26 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: the website product should move to maemo.org |
| 18:57.33 | lcuk | thats ok, it might take me a month to get svn on my 810 |
| 18:57.34 | timelyx | and Misdirected can move to anywhere |
| 18:57.48 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, i'm patiently waiting :) :p |
| 18:57.59 | timelyx | i just can't do anything like that until andre___ decides it's ok to frighten users |
| 18:58.09 | timelyx | atm there are a handful of people who can see it |
| 18:58.25 | Edgester | hi, I'm getting the kernel error "JFFS2 compression type 0x07 not available." when trying to modify the rootfs image on a ubuntu machine. what should I do to add LZMO compress to jffs2 on my desktop? |
| 18:58.39 | andre___ | timelyx, i assume that guenther and me will discuss a lot of stuff this week when meeting at guadec. after that we can go on |
| 18:58.41 | timelyx | i think website is the only product that moves to maemo.org |
| 18:58.47 | timelyx | andre___: ok |
| 18:58.51 | andre___ | would fit better other there, indeed. |
| 18:58.54 | timelyx | anyway, it's a framework |
| 18:58.57 | lcuk | :) fair enough qwerty12_N800, its nothing special really but if its able to be used at all to improve the tablet experience for just a few people then im happy |
| 18:58.59 | andre___ | s/other/over |
| 18:59.05 | timelyx | i left some notes w/ GeneralAntilles |
| 18:59.21 | timelyx | basically there needs to be a Nokia for ITVC and a maemo.org for Websites |
| 18:59.26 | lcuk | :) ive learnt so much this year and i wouldnt have done it without you lot |
| 18:59.35 | timelyx | as soon as either thing happens, *everyone* sees that extra screen |
| 18:59.44 | jott | Edgester: use a newer kernel or apply the appropiate patches to the current one... |
| 18:59.45 | timelyx | if you think people can deal w/ the extra screen, then good |
| 18:59.55 | GeneralAntilles | andre___, did I toss the proposal at you yet? https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Garage_bug_tracking_in_Bugzilla |
| 18:59.57 | timelyx | otherwise you could do a template ala mozilla.org |
| 19:00.11 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, i know I won't be able to do anything with it but it seems really interesting to look at :) |
| 19:00.19 | Edgester | jott: what kernel version should I use? is there a newer distro that includes this? |
| 19:00.29 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: it's possible to disable the garage tracker |
| 19:00.32 | timelyx | at least per project |
| 19:00.38 | timelyx | i disabled it for browser when i became a garage admin :) |
| 19:00.40 | lcuk | qwerty12_N800, i just like having something that moves quick and responds well to my touch and stylus |
| 19:00.47 | lcuk | i am impatient |
| 19:00.51 | andre___ | takes a look |
| 19:01.00 | timelyx | if we migrate slowly, you can disable it project at a time |
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| 19:01.19 | lcuk | anyway, now ive got all that i can start to build applications using the principles ive found |
| 19:01.19 | Edgester | jott: where is the lzmo patch? |
| 19:01.34 | andre___ | GeneralAntilles, looks great, thanks! |
| 19:01.36 | lcuk | ive already started to migrate to c++ so i can code up the bits which were getting hairy in c |
| 19:01.47 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: if you want bits so that you can let other people see the way things are now, andre___ or i can give you browser-extras grant |
| 19:02.01 | timelyx | that way others can get a sneak peek and give feedback |
| 19:02.10 | lcuk | jott, are you comfortable using svn on your desktop? |
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| 19:02.18 | lcuk | or anyone |
| 19:02.32 | megabyte405 | lcuk: need svn help? |
| 19:02.32 | timelyx | but if you want it from me, i think you have ~10 mins left until sunday :) |
| 19:02.34 | jott | Edgester: http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/5/4/168 i think this is the place where it occured |
| 19:03.07 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: |
| 19:03.11 | timelyx | "This task is in the list of proposals, please help planning and getting it ready for a sprint. Add yourself if you are interested." |
| 19:03.13 | timelyx | add yourself /where/ ? |
| 19:03.14 | lcuk | megabyte405, i need svn itself on the tablet, i do all dev work directly on it (gcc etc on device) and files stored on mmc1 |
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| 19:03.35 | megabyte405 | ah |
| 19:03.36 | GeneralAntilles | timelyx, yeah, that was Quim's wording. |
| 19:03.38 | lcuk | so to get a decent workflow im gonna have to get svn running, but i dont know where to start |
| 19:03.48 | megabyte405 | you could try installing from armel debian |
| 19:03.50 | jott | lcuk: you need an svn package for the device? |
| 19:03.51 | GeneralAntilles | Need to figure out a better structure for proposals, probably. |
| 19:03.56 | lcuk | yer jott |
| 19:04.07 | GeneralAntilles | It's from the global template, so it's not page-specific |
| 19:04.25 | jott | it's in chinook extras as "subversion" |
| 19:04.39 | timelyx | sure |
| 19:04.42 | lcuk | ive tried searching but google is no help... doh! |
| 19:04.44 | timelyx | but it's buggy in the global template |
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| 19:04.56 | Edgester | jott: thanks |
| 19:04.58 | lcuk | lol jott :) thanks, ill see if i can get it |
| 19:05.03 | timelyx | it either means "add yourself to a list in this page" or "add yourself in a list on the talk page" |
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| 19:05.10 | timelyx | at the very least it's dangerously ambiguous |
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| 19:05.38 | timelyx | (note that my wording is merely for clarity not for direct inclusion) |
| 19:05.39 | jott | lcuk: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/s/subversion/subversion_1.4.6-maemo1_armel.deb :) |
| 19:06.18 | lcuk | thanks jott, i was looking for svn |
| 19:06.20 | lcuk | :S |
| 19:06.28 | GeneralAntilles | How about "Put a note on the talk page if you're interested in picking this up" ? |
| 19:06.34 | jott | Edgester: might just check git.kernel.org and pull the patch there.. or just use the current release version |
| 19:06.40 | GeneralAntilles | or maybe, "Put a note on the talk page if you're interested in pushing this task." |
| 19:06.41 | timelyx | s/picking this up/helping work on this/ |
| 19:06.50 | andre___ | timelyx, GeneralAntilles: need to pack my suitcase and prepare some other stuff. see you later, i'll read the backlog :-) |
| 19:06.52 | timelyx | or that |
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| 19:07.35 | Addison44 | Hey, quick question for you guys. Is there a way to remove the cursor in Xterm so that it doesn't appear? |
| 19:07.51 | GeneralAntilles | Later, andre___. |
| 19:08.23 | sp3000 | slaps supld |
| 19:08.37 | sp3000 | mind closing the connection some time soon? |
| 19:08.47 | lcuk | goes and reads the svn manual and tries to grok it |
| 19:08.47 | qwerty12_N800 | Where's the wet fish!?! |
| 19:08.53 | dneary | Done |
| 19:09.06 | dneary | Anyone have a suggestion for the next WPotD? |
| 19:09.07 | Addison44 | qwerty! What's up G Money Dog Nuts!?!!! |
| 19:09.34 | Addison44 | Did you get my private message? For some reason, this server keeps chucking me out. |
| 19:09.37 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: load https://bugs.maemo.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=permissions |
| 19:09.45 | qwerty12_N800 | Addison44, no |
| 19:10.17 | GeneralAntilles | I see the new bit, timelyx. |
| 19:10.18 | Addison44 | Hey qwerty, I asked how my favorite bold and smoldering volcanoe of virile manhood was doing. :) |
| 19:10.39 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: try turning it on for sp3000 |
| 19:10.47 | timelyx | you can use him for feedback :) |
| 19:11.35 | Addison44 | Hey qwert, any chance you might have an answer for that cursor Xterm thingie question I just posted? |
| 19:11.50 | qwerty12_N800 | nope, sorry |
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| 19:12.03 | Addison44 | Okay. Didn't think so. Thanks anyway though. |
| 19:12.23 | Addison44 | Is there a way to get your Putty version to work full screen? |
| 19:12.39 | Addison44 | I can't seem to find an option for that. |
| 19:13.05 | GeneralAntilles | timelyx, should be done. |
| 19:13.12 | GeneralAntilles | Updated the template, too. |
| 19:13.18 | sp3000 | b-e! |
| 19:14.38 | qwerty12_N800 | Addison44, Maybe it has to be done in the code, but i don't have the debianised code anymore :/ (+ I probably wouldn't figure how to either :/) |
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| 19:16.26 | sp3000 | general | suggestions? |
| 19:16.30 | sp3000 | we do have enh |
| 19:16.50 | timelyx | sp3000: hrm |
| 19:16.59 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I meant to ask that one. |
| 19:17.07 | sp3000 | (sure, I kinda see the mapping to bugs | feature requests classes on garage) |
| 19:17.22 | sp3000 | but I dunno if that's good legacy |
| 19:17.24 | timelyx | note: i don't know anything about garage |
| 19:17.36 | GeneralAntilles | I'd say, "no". |
| 19:17.38 | timelyx | but for browser-extras, it's likely that a lot of people would say "please port X" |
| 19:17.52 | sp3000 | yeah, that would have been guess #2 |
| 19:17.52 | timelyx | i'd kinda like that to be easily seen as opposed to other thing |
| 19:18.19 | timelyx | it should probably be called "Requested Ports/Packages" |
| 19:18.22 | timelyx | but that's way too long |
| 19:18.24 | sp3000 | clicks and finds out there actually is a #2 on freenode |
| 19:18.31 | timelyx | heh |
| 19:18.37 | sp3000 | it's rather small though |
| 19:18.46 | Nailor | Anyone familiar with any ssh askpass software for os2008? |
| 19:19.09 | timelyx | anyway, suggest a better name |
| 19:19.13 | timelyx | i think GAN can fix it |
| 19:19.25 | timelyx | you're right that the name is risky and likely to give the wrong impression |
| 19:19.32 | Nailor | i found one, but it's apparently for 2007 |
| 19:19.41 | timelyx | one question is how many components should b-e get initially |
| 19:19.47 | timelyx | one for each package? one per package class? |
| 19:20.03 | timelyx | should everyone default to a component for "web site"? |
| 19:20.23 | timelyx | since everyone w/ garage projects should have a web site |
| 19:20.26 | timelyx | and most likely it sucks |
| 19:20.33 | timelyx | and it probably isn't their primary product |
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| 19:20.48 | timelyx | perhaps all garage projects should have 2 default components, general, website |
| 19:21.10 | GeneralAntilles | That makes sense |
| 19:21.17 | lcuk | qwerty12_N800, you have shown pictures of linux windows running seamlessly within xp |
| 19:21.21 | lcuk | whats that called? |
| 19:21.25 | GeneralAntilles | andLinux |
| 19:21.26 | sp3000 | would go with just General |
| 19:21.35 | qwerty12_N800 | ^^ |
| 19:21.39 | sp3000 | but I'm an organizational minimalist :P |
| 19:21.50 | lcuk | thanks GeneralAntilles and qwerty12_N800 :) |
| 19:22.13 | lcuk | if i cant speed up c++ compilation times i might as well see if theres another way to solve it |
| 19:22.24 | Jaffa | andLinux is very cool. Very impressed with it today |
| 19:22.50 | timelyx | jaffa: how do you spell wEb-Site? |
| 19:22.55 | ShadowJK | the file manager just wiped all the videos on my cellphone via bluetooth D: |
| 19:23.12 | lcuk | jaffa, is your week from hell over now then or are you in tomorrow? |
| 19:23.19 | Jaffa | timelyx: I usually use "website" or "web site". I've known style guides which insist "Web" should be capitalised. |
| 19:23.24 | qwerty12_N800 | ShadowJK, Damn, got a lot of porn to get back? :p |
| 19:23.39 | ShadowJK | I was going to move one video to N810, but accidentally had entire folder selected in left hand column, so I tapped Stop. Apparently it stopped transfering the files, but continued with the delete part of the move operation... |
| 19:23.41 | Jaffa | lcuk: going down to stay with the in-laws tomorrow for Mrs Jaffa's cousin's baby's birthday. |
| 19:23.44 | Jaffa | lcuk: you decide ;-) |
| 19:23.48 | Jaffa | Food ready. Beer o'clock. |
| 19:23.53 | lcuk | :D nice |
| 19:23.57 | lcuk | you need it |
| 19:24.39 | lcuk | jaffa, i ended up deciding on gpl 2 by the way, maximum sharing potential with other projects round here |
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| 19:25.00 | lcuk | ill leave artistic for another day |
| 19:25.14 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles/ sp3000: reload describecomponents |
| 19:25.45 | timelyx | https://bugs.maemo.org/describecomponents.cgi?product=browser-extras |
| 19:26.05 | timelyx | anyway, my time has expired |
| 19:26.10 | GeneralAntilles | Looks good |
| 19:26.16 | qwerty12_N800 | btw lcuk, if you need any help with andlinux, let me know |
| 19:26.17 | GeneralAntilles | Thanks, timelyx! |
| 19:26.21 | timelyx | btw for the rest of the channel: yes, i know you can't follow that link today. try again next month |
| 19:26.27 | timelyx | (or ask GeneralAntilles) |
| 19:27.05 | lcuk | thanks qwerty12_N800, im just reading the site now and getting requirements, it will also simplify matters if i can use a gui for svn and stuff |
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| 19:29.54 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, i only ever use svn co, so i don't know about linux guis sorry. |
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| 19:30.45 | lcuk | its not really a gui i need, but im visual so ill just right click on a folder somewhere and push or pull latest |
| 19:31.11 | lcuk | hates remembering archaic incantations in the commandline |
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| 19:31.25 | GeneralAntilles | Such a Windows user. . . . |
| 19:31.44 | lcuk | visual developer :) and i dont think im doin so badly so far |
| 19:32.12 | lcuk | i dont care what os it is, aint mac the same with point n click |
| 19:32.42 | qwerty12_N800 | you have terminal too in os x |
| 19:33.20 | lcuk | i have one in windows as well: doesnt mean i use it |
| 19:33.35 | RST38h | Macs only have One Button! |
| 19:33.42 | lcuk | some have none |
| 19:33.43 | qwerty12_N800 | lol |
| 19:33.44 | *** topic/#maemo by GeneralAntilles -> http://mxr.maemo.org | Diablo Released! | http://maemo.org | Maemo Summit: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | Create the new maemo.org logo: https://wiki.maemo.org/maemo.org_logo_contest | Help fix the Wiki Page of the day for July 4th: http://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_MMC_card |
| 19:33.52 | GeneralAntilles | Ugh, I don't even want to look at that page. |
| 19:34.18 | GeneralAntilles | OS X is mostly *nix |
| 19:34.19 | lcuk | can't we "fix" it by starting again |
| 19:34.30 | qwerty12_N800 | Did the usb networking one get fixed? |
| 19:34.43 | lcuk | "to boot from mmc, invite a knowledgable friend round and whilst you make beers they will do it for you" |
| 19:34.45 | GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking |
| 19:34.49 | GeneralAntilles | Mostly |
| 19:34.53 | GeneralAntilles | I'm not in love with it, though. |
| 19:35.00 | lcuk | i tried once |
| 19:35.06 | lcuk | miserable failure |
| 19:35.18 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody who knows penguinbait's stuff should probably write something up for that. |
| 19:35.41 | GeneralAntilles | and probably milhouse's script for slightly-more-involved but slightly-less-evil |
| 19:36.14 | qwerty12_N800 | has only ever used milhouses script |
| 19:36.57 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, you want to pull his instructions from itT, par them down a touch (Sardine can definitely go), update for Diablo and stick them on the wiki? |
| 19:37.14 | GeneralAntilles | The first and most striking issue with the "MMC" booting page is "MMC". <_< |
| 19:37.57 | qwerty12_N800 | I could modify the script and have a go with the wiki but the script isn't exactlyfault tolerant. |
| 19:38.10 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, that's true. |
| 19:38.23 | Edgester | Can I mount the rootfs image on the my n800? |
| 19:38.23 | GeneralAntilles | I'd do it myself, but I'm not entirely clear on the kernel modules step. |
| 19:38.41 | GeneralAntilles | I seem to remember insmodding stuff from the initfs, but I don't really recall. |
| 19:38.55 | GeneralAntilles | Edgester, turn it on? |
| 19:39.05 | GeneralAntilles | It definitely doesn't have enough RAM to mount the image itself. |
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| 19:39.48 | Edgester | Can I use block2mtd and mount the rootfs image that flasher uses on my n800 without flashing? |
| 19:41.43 | qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles, the two insmod lines already present on that page for an N800 with os2007 would work with diablo, just replace 2.6.18-omap1 with 2.6.21-omap1 |
| 19:42.04 | jott | or with $(uname -r) ;) |
| 19:42.22 | qwerty12_N800 | i was coming onto that ;) |
| 19:42.46 | GeneralAntilles | I'm working over the bootmenu part |
| 19:42.59 | jott | actually you don't need the bootmenu at all ;) |
| 19:43.12 | GeneralAntilles | True, but it's a recommended step. |
| 19:43.20 | GeneralAntilles | getting usbnet ssh recovery is good. |
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| 19:43.42 | jott | yeah otoh you can just use the flasher again to switch to mtd/flash boot |
| 19:43.47 | Edgester | eh, maybe I'll just flash to diablo |
| 19:43.51 | qwerty12_N800 | jott, cal-tool/flasher-3.0 is long to use ;) |
| 19:44.05 | qwerty12_N800 | when you could use bootmenu instead :) |
| 19:44.18 | GeneralAntilles | jott, think of the newbies. |
| 19:44.41 | jott | actually it's just "flasher --set-root-device mmc" and ready .. |
| 19:44.57 | GeneralAntilles | and bootmenu is just "pick the one you want from a list" |
| 19:45.12 | jott | iff you got the bootmenu.conf right... |
| 19:45.12 | GeneralAntilles | and doesn't require a lot of fiddling in xterm |
| 19:45.39 | GeneralAntilles | jott, why do you want them to use flasher, anyway. :P |
| 19:46.27 | jott | hum? i used the bootmenu with chinook, but now i just use the normal initfs with mmc as root ;) |
| 19:46.42 | jott | i never booted from flash anyway after mmc was running ;) |
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| 19:46.47 | GeneralAntilles | Meh, works for you, but, personally, I'd rather have as many people as possible using the bootmenu |
| 19:46.53 | qwerty12_N800 | ^ |
| 19:46.56 | GeneralAntilles | makes my troubleshooting work that much easier |
| 19:47.14 | jott | hm anyhow.. both ways are fine for me. |
| 19:47.53 | GeneralAntilles | Which is good, but giving people unnecessary choices in guides like these generally just results in confusion. :P |
| 19:47.57 | jott | just using flasher is imho easier.. |
| 19:48.04 | jott | heh |
| 19:48.16 | jott | well do what ever you think is best for an enduser ;) |
| 19:48.38 | GeneralAntilles | I am. :P |
| 19:49.06 | jott | maybe using rsync -a instead of tar is better.. |
| 19:49.14 | AStorm | cp -a |
| 19:49.15 | AStorm | :> |
| 19:49.16 | jott | as rsync is apt-getable |
| 19:49.18 | AStorm | it wins |
| 19:49.20 | jott | or cp |
| 19:49.36 | jott | rsync --progress is just more verbose ;) |
| 19:50.24 | GeneralAntilles | Not a bad idea, somebody want to improve this script to handle that? http://www.nmacleod.com/nokia/bin/nupgrade.sh |
| 19:50.25 | AStorm | rsync tests the destination dir and removes files too |
| 19:50.50 | AStorm | so it's slower, it has to stat everything :> |
| 19:51.12 | jott | but perception is faster as you got a progress ;) |
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| 19:52.54 | AStorm | time isn't ;P |
| 19:53.05 | RST38h | hurrah! Mastergear does x3 magnification in gamegear mode! |
| 19:53.31 | qwerty12_N800 | it's meant for n00bs, think they are going to realise? :p |
| 19:54.23 | RST38h | is going to try magnifying vgba x3 |
| 19:59.52 | RST38h | Shit, Maemo version of libz is still somewhat broken |
| 20:01.06 | qwerty12_N800 | compile your own and replace the control with the maemo one. dirty, but ensures things don't fuck up for users :/ |
| 20:01.32 | qwerty12_N800 | did that with kernel-diablo-flasher to distrobute rotation kernel :/ |
| 20:01.44 | RST38h | It is not THAT broken though |
| 20:01.58 | RST38h | Just incompatible with some gz files packed with previous versions |
| 20:03.13 | RST38h | Yeaaah, a few people will be very happy with the new VGBA =) |
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| 20:07.14 | RST38h | What are the dimensions of a standard Maemo window? |
| 20:07.21 | RST38h | (internal dimensions I mean) |
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| 20:08.46 | Atarii | RST38h x3 now works in vgba? |
| 20:08.51 | Jaffa | Erm, 720x362 or something. There's a clear diagram on one of the "Introduction to Maemo" documents |
| 20:09.46 | RST38h | aha |
| 20:09.52 | RST38h | 720x400 I guess |
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| 20:11.06 | lcuk | RST38h, internal, as in within maemo bits or with extra window framing |
| 20:11.07 | RST38h | Atarii: yep |
| 20:11.22 | Atarii | mega win |
| 20:11.26 | RST38h | rectangle inside the frame |
| 20:11.36 | RST38h | I am keeping the frame, it is tidier this way |
| 20:12.02 | Atarii | does it play .gb? or .gba only? |
| 20:12.33 | lcuk | RST38h, isnt that theme specific? |
| 20:14.02 | lcuk | ok, back later, giving control of pc away |
| 20:14.30 | RST38h | lcuk: don't think so |
| 20:14.39 | RST38h | Atarii: it plays gba |
| 20:14.46 | RST38h | VGB plays .gb and it is also coming |
| 20:15.07 | lcuk | do you find the games work ok after you cut the sides off them? |
| 20:16.57 | lcuk | i ask because i wonder how you fit them into the mmc slot |
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| 20:18.13 | Atarii | ho ho ho |
| 20:18.34 | Atarii | ooo that reminds me, i need to trim my 2in1 mmc/micro sd adapter |
| 20:18.37 | RST38h | lcuk: melt and pour |
| 20:20.29 | pupnik | http://www.dimitrithelover.com/ |
| 20:20.43 | pupnik | this guy is pretty amazing |
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| 20:21.11 | Atarii | link looks like gay pr0n :S |
| 20:21.27 | pupnik | lots of crappy scripts on the site but there's a funny interview with him - the guy is hilarious |
| 20:23.35 | Jaffa | has a mini rant on ITT about people saying "I won't have anything to contribute" |
| 20:23.41 | Jaffa | [at the Maemo summit] |
| 20:24.25 | RST38h | Jaffa: Contribute to what? |
| 20:24.46 | Jaffa | RST38h: to the Maemo Summit in September. |
| 20:25.34 | qwerty12_N800 | imagines Karel Jansens at the summit... Or rather not ;) |
| 20:25.45 | RST38h | Oh |
| 20:25.52 | GeneralAntilles | He had a mild reformation, seemingly. |
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| 20:26.01 | RST38h | What is the problem with having nothing to contribute though? |
| 20:26.21 | RST38h | GA: What? Pandora missed another release deadline, so he ran out of breath? |
| 20:26.30 | Jaffa | RST38h: exactly. You can't have everyone attending present something, you need *attendees* as well as presenters. |
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| 20:26.57 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I think this is what threw people: "An only condition for you would be to contribute to the program somehow: present something in a lightning session, facilitate a BoF or a workshop..." |
| 20:27.06 | RST38h | Jaffa: It is tickets + hotel + time off day job |
| 20:27.13 | kuzew | Hello all, what happend to hidd with Diablo? Doesn't seem to be there.. ): |
| 20:27.16 | RST38h | Jaffa: In other words, no way =( |
| 20:28.00 | Jaffa | RST38h: indeed; although Nokia've got some budget to fund people travelling. Personally, I want hotel better than hostel and can afford the expense (by finding cheap travel and cheap(ish) hotel) to fund it myself; leaving more of the budget available for others. |
| 20:29.16 | RST38h | Jaffa: I would put more emphasis on making event distributed over internet |
| 20:29.40 | Jaffa | RST38h: I suspect that will be orders of magnitude less successful. |
| 20:29.43 | RST38h | So that people participating remotely get the maximum presence experience |
| 20:29.53 | Jaffa | Not to say it shouldn't be done. It's just time consuming and sub-optimal (IMHO) |
| 20:30.01 | RST38h | Well, then at least select the location with most users |
| 20:30.36 | RST38h | On the other hand, it is probably US and it means that folks from Poland, etc. won't be able to attend =( |
| 20:31.00 | Jaffa | s/most users/most contributors/ |
| 20:31.30 | Jaffa | Anyway, they're pinning it on the back of OSiM World (in Berlin); Nokia are from Finland; LinuxTag doesn't seem to suffer from being in Berlin; ... |
| 20:32.08 | pupnik | berlin is worth visiting |
| 20:32.44 | RST38h | expensive though |
| 20:33.15 | RST38h | will cost at least $1000, with tickets and all |
| 20:34.28 | RST38h | It is easy for Steve Jobs to gather the faithful as they only need to drive a few hours in most cases, but Nokia is different in this sense =( |
| 20:35.01 | Jaffa | RST38h: apply for sponsorship if you're that bothered; otherwise it sounds like you're griping cos it's not near you. |
| 20:35.18 | RST38h | Actually, it is relatively near me :) |
| 20:35.20 | Jaffa | Personally, I've absolutely *no* idea where most users/contributors are. |
| 20:35.26 | Jaffa | RST38h: ah, ok :) |
| 20:35.34 | Jaffa | Expensive travel systems near you then? |
| 20:35.35 | RST38h | Jaffa: it would be interesting to find out though =) |
| 20:35.58 | RST38h | Jaffa: prolly e300 for a ticket from Moscow and back + hotel |
| 20:36.32 | RST38h | Jaffa: not worth the money for me |
| 20:36.53 | Jaffa | Think of what it'd do to your reputation with Nokia though if there's an N900 discount programme ;-) |
| 20:37.13 | JamieBennett | Jaffa: Mmmm |
| 20:37.27 | RST38h | For this amount of money I would probably be able to just buy N900 unsubsidized :) |
| 20:37.42 | JamieBennett | I going for the free t-shirts ;) |
| 20:37.43 | Jaffa | RST38h: hence the sponsorship |
| 20:38.04 | Jaffa | JamieBennett: well, that too - hoping to pack light by getting freebies as spares :) |
| 20:38.53 | RST38h | made resizing a little bit TOO intelligent |
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| 20:39.14 | RST38h | it now resizes to 600x320 when in windowed mode |
| 20:39.30 | JamieBennett | Jaffa: I have one from some work I did before but its bright blue, hoping to bag a less garish one if they are available. |
| 20:40.14 | JamieBennett | Jaffa: Are you attending OSim aswell? |
| 20:41.10 | Jaffa | JamieBennett: hoping to; just need to confirm time off work. |
| 20:41.46 | Jaffa | JamieBennett: For some very odd reasons it looks like travel will be on a 5 hour train from Apeldoorn in .nl to Berlin on the Tuesday/Saturday - but for only 36 eur each way. |
| 20:41.47 | JamieBennett | I'm the same, hoping to go but I'll find out Monday if I can get the go ahead from work |
| 20:42.03 | pupnik | RST38h: has a valid issue with spending $1k on a conference. it's quite a good suggestion to think about at least a webcam stream + chatroom |
| 20:42.32 | JamieBennett | Jaffa: Where are you travelling from? |
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| 20:43.56 | Jaffa | JamieBennett: UK. But Mrs Jaffa & in-laws are going to Arnhem on the Monday and coming back the following Monday. So will tag along with them on the Monday and get the train on Tuesday. Was always planning to go back to them after the summit, but flights from Berlin to Amsterdam/Eindhoven/... are nightmarishly expensive. |
| 20:44.22 | jott | pupnik: you could also pay 4200 euro for the complete osim event ;) |
| 20:45.04 | JamieBennett | I'm going from Bristol on the Tuesday. Flights are <£60 return! I was pretty surprised at that. |
| 20:45.30 | pupnik | o_O |
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| 20:56.36 | lcuk | jaffa, for linuxtag i flew manchester->amsterdam->berlin and berlin->paris->manchester i had a great whistlestop airport tour |
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| 21:00.07 | mgedmin | 4200 EUR + VAT??? |
| 21:01.15 | mgedmin | what's "The Independent Developer Access All Areas Pass"? |
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| 21:01.41 | mgedmin | does it go on top of the 4200 EUR price, or is this a 400-EUR alternative to it? |
| 21:01.57 | pauliukas | I have a Nokia 770 flashed with the latest version of OS 2006. |
| 21:02.10 | pauliukas | I'm trying to install osso xterm and I simply get a "intall failed" error |
| 21:02.27 | mgedmin | pauliukas: check the app installer's log |
| 21:02.30 | mgedmin | it's in the tools menu |
| 21:02.54 | GeneralAntilles | Is there a log in OS2006? |
| 21:02.59 | pauliukas | dpkg-preconfigure: not found |
| 21:03.05 | GeneralAntilles | Guess so |
| 21:03.08 | mgedmin | wasn't it always there? I'm sure it was always there |
| 21:03.16 | mgedmin | pauliukas: irrelevant warning, what's the next message? |
| 21:03.27 | pauliukas | No such file for the .install file. |
| 21:03.31 | pauliukas | Lemme try saving it first |
| 21:03.49 | mgedmin | interesting |
| 21:05.00 | pauliukas | uhhh |
| 21:05.11 | pauliukas | great. I get a completed download on opera, but it's not saved. |
| 21:05.17 | pauliukas | Tried saving both to local folders and the card. |
| 21:05.48 | mgedmin | ran out of disk space? |
| 21:05.55 | pauliukas | nope |
| 21:05.58 | pauliukas | brand new install |
| 21:06.03 | pauliukas | restarting opera |
| 21:06.12 | pauliukas | I literally just reflashed it |
| 21:06.17 | pauliukas | because I was having the same error befor |
| 21:06.57 | pauliukas | still not there |
| 21:07.12 | mgedmin | can it save any other kinds of files? |
| 21:07.17 | mgedmin | what's the URL of this .install? |
| 21:07.28 | pauliukas | on maemo.org |
| 21:07.31 | pauliukas | download section |
| 21:07.36 | pauliukas | os2006 > system |
| 21:07.39 | pauliukas | osso x-term advanced |
| 21:08.00 | mgedmin | sighs thinking about the laziness of some people |
| 21:08.01 | pauliukas | now I'm getting a squid error |
| 21:08.01 | pauliukas | great |
| 21:09.44 | mgedmin | the install file itself looks okay from here |
| 21:11.38 | pauliukas | trying another package |
| 21:11.43 | pauliukas | looks like it's working so far |
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| 21:33.33 | zs_ | hi, i am trying to install some packages from http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/bora/free but can't, i got incompatible application package, i downloaded armel packages, what's wrong? |
| 21:34.29 | RST38h | what OS version are you using on your device? |
| 21:34.37 | zs_ | 2007 |
| 21:34.48 | RST38h | should be ok... |
| 21:34.49 | Edgester | ok, I've rerun initfs_flasher after installing diablo, but now I can't boot from mmc which worked under chinook. Any advice? |
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| 21:54.18 | RST38h | All right, the Pokemon bug... |
| 21:54.29 | Navi | Woo, pokemon |
| 21:54.33 | Navi | GB/GBC? |
| 21:54.39 | RST38h | GBA |
| 21:54.45 | Navi | Icic |
| 21:54.47 | RST38h | I have not got to porting GB/GBC emulator yet |
| 21:55.16 | Navi | mmk |
| 21:57.29 | pupnik | RST38h: i forgot if you ever answered my question about a high resolution timer on the nokias |
| 21:57.58 | RST38h | pupnik: I said that if it exists, usleep() and nanosleep() should make use of it |
| 21:58.12 | acydlord | any clue why bluetooth dun would work just fine for me in chinook and not at all in diablo? |
| 21:58.20 | pupnik | ah ok i look at them |
| 21:58.39 | pupnik | on the gp2x there's a register you can look at, iirc |
| 21:58.49 | RST38h | I am sure OMAP has a similar register |
| 21:59.02 | RST38h | The only problem is, nobody is gonna tell us which one =( |
| 22:00.08 | Jaffa | lcuk: sounds like "fun" :) |
| 22:00.18 | pupnik | acydlord: sorry no ideas |
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| 22:00.39 | [A2K] | hi. i'm n00b. please give me the link. |
| 22:00.46 | acydlord | time to submit a bug report i guess |
| 22:01.19 | RST38h | pupnik: Found docs. found timers. |
| 22:01.25 | ralann|mbp | acydlord: i have used BT in diablo just fine |
| 22:01.43 | [A2K] | anyone? do you have a link for noobs? |
| 22:01.46 | pupnik | ! :) |
| 22:02.17 | lcuk | jaffa, it wasnt too bad - amsterdam i was stood around, paris i had to run between terminals, but at least i got outside and managed a cig |
| 22:02.30 | [A2K] | well, ok, then i have some questions. |
| 22:02.40 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:02.42 | pupnik | sorry |
| 22:02.54 | lcuk | \o pup |
| 22:03.01 | pupnik | hey there sur |
| 22:03.08 | [A2K] | how can i install something from here http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/games/ ? |
| 22:03.18 | RST38h | OMAP5912 |
| 22:03.20 | [A2K] | i press click to install and just see text in browser |
| 22:03.24 | lcuk | [A2K], what nokia device have you got |
| 22:03.32 | [A2K] | lcuk: n810 with diablo |
| 22:03.33 | RST38h | must be omap3, not omap2, but I hope timers are the same |
| 22:03.42 | lcuk | are you going to the website with your nokia |
| 22:03.47 | lcuk | or from your home computer |
| 22:03.57 | Jaffa | lcuk: Schipole's a horrible airport, IMHO. Apparently the train from .nl to .de is really interesting - although 5 hours each way will mean lots of time for hacking on my laptop :) 'spose it's not much longer than a flight when you take into account check-ins etc. |
| 22:04.02 | [A2K] | lcuk: from nokia |
| 22:04.53 | zs_ | i think there is a problem with application installer in os2007 hacker edition, i have tried to install some apps from repo, and it failed because of incompatible package, but when i used dpkg -i everything is ok |
| 22:04.56 | RST38h | pupnik: 4 private timers. 1 OS timer at 32768Hz. 8 general purpose timers. |
| 22:04.58 | lcuk | jaffa :) sounds like the most relaxing part :) i was doodling the whole way back |
| 22:04.59 | pupnik | if you go on the ICE Jaffa be sure to reserve a seat at one of the facing-seats with a table and power outlet, and bring an outlet multiplier |
| 22:05.18 | lcuk | [A2K], not sure, the website might be broken |
| 22:05.26 | pupnik | getting power on the ICE requires some planning |
| 22:05.28 | [A2K] | :( |
| 22:05.28 | RST38h | pupnik: you can run any of gp timers off the system clock so it is hires |
| 22:05.30 | pupnik | RST38h: interestingk |
| 22:05.49 | RST38h | pupnik: Check http://www.ti.com/lit/gpn/omap5912 |
| 22:05.59 | [A2K] | is there some manual how to create packages for maemo? |
| 22:06.00 | RST38h | And http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/omap5912.html#technicaldocuments in general |
| 22:06.36 | lcuk | [A2K], on the maemo site there are a full set of developer documentation |
| 22:06.49 | [A2K] | ok... |
| 22:07.05 | lcuk | part of which is packaging... |
| 22:07.13 | lcuk | should read it too |
| 22:07.32 | lcuk | mind you, im trying to read up on svn atm |
| 22:07.42 | Jaffa | pupnik: right, ta for that. |
| 22:07.42 | [A2K] | why did not enyone still compiled openoffice for maemo? |
| 22:07.49 | hellwolf | When I insert a 4G SDHC card into my N800, I can't start up the machine. But I can use the SDHC card after the machine starting up successfully. :( |
| 22:08.05 | hellwolf | I mean as a external SD card |
| 22:08.20 | hellwolf | When I use the card as internal SD card, there's no such problem |
| 22:08.36 | RST38h | pupnik: Looks like the chip has two on-chip memory areas (OCP T1 T2) |
| 22:08.48 | RST38h | One of them is the framebuffer another one is unlabeled |
| 22:09.16 | RST38h | I am pretty sure these are low-latency memories, so placing code into them should speed things up |
| 22:09.17 | pupnik | you didn't see a tech pdf like that for 2420 then... |
| 22:09.23 | RST38h | nope |
| 22:09.27 | [A2K] | is maemo just good for noobs and i have to install gentoo for professional usage? |
| 22:10.03 | Jaffa | [A2K]: there is no Gentoo port to the N8x0. There are alternative OSes, such as Debian, Android, Poky, Mamona, but Maemo will be your best bet in almost all probablity. |
| 22:10.46 | [A2K] | Jaffa: there is how-to about gentoo for arm :) |
| 22:11.33 | GeneralAntilles | Debian really has the best armel branch |
| 22:12.06 | [A2K] | but it is not so sexy as gentoo |
| 22:12.31 | RST38h | pupnik: Ironically, 5912 is their oldest high-perf chip |
| 22:13.03 | RST38h | it is pre-omap1 |
| 22:13.20 | pupnik | i thought TI was going to give developers more info now with their new open-source drive |
| 22:13.27 | kulve | isn't 5912 and omap1510 based board? thus omap1.. |
| 22:13.29 | RST38h | maybe |
| 22:13.39 | [A2K] | hmm.. wifi just drops and can not reconnect for third time this hour.. is there some bug? |
| 22:13.39 | RST38h | it is even older than omap |
| 22:13.40 | RST38h | 1 |
| 22:13.53 | Jaffa | [A2K]: You might be able to get Gentoo running in a chroot then, bootstrapped by Maemo - but I'm not aware of anyone trying it. Compiling your OS on a 400MHz ARM with 128MB of RAM does not sound like a Fun Thing[TM] |
| 22:13.56 | RST38h | but my guess is, one can use 5912 documentation for 2420, up to some degree |
| 22:14.18 | pupnik | yeah, so one could go peeking at various registers and see what they do? |
| 22:14.23 | [A2K] | Jaffa: i have allready done this, but not on nokia ) |
| 22:14.33 | RST38h | pupnik: yep |
| 22:14.53 | RST38h | looking at 3530 data now |
| 22:16.22 | pupnik | it'd also help if i were a developer. but this is definitely a help to me - ty RST38h |
| 22:16.25 | RST38h | For 3530 only abstracts of the documents available |
| 22:16.40 | acydlord | ralann|mbp, bt for files works just fine, but when i go to make a bt dun connection the n810 drops the bt at the last second |
| 22:17.37 | RST38h | ....and here we have PowerVR description! |
| 22:18.02 | RST38h | shit, "For more information about register descriptions, contact your TI representative." |
| 22:18.07 | ralann|mbp | oh yeah, forgot about that, i just use it for files |
| 22:19.19 | [A2K] | how that .install files work? what program handles them? |
| 22:19.24 | lcuk | do i have to explicitely tell svn to checkin every single new file within a folder? |
| 22:19.43 | lcuk | ie if i build a few classes i have to teach it each one? |
| 22:19.53 | RST38h | lcuk: use Tortoise |
| 22:19.58 | [A2K] | got it.. |
| 22:19.59 | lcuk | on my 810? |
| 22:20.05 | RST38h | lcuk: umgh |
| 22:20.23 | lcuk | remember RST38h, i do all development work directly on the device |
| 22:20.36 | lcuk | well, i use windows editor, but compilation etc |
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| 22:22.33 | RST38h | ohfuckyessssss |
| 22:22.43 | lcuk | :P |
| 22:22.46 | acydlord | from personal experience it's usually mostly noobs who use gentoo, they just like to play the part of the elitest |
| 22:22.54 | RST38h | look what I have found: |
| 22:23.04 | RST38h | http://www.ti.com/litv/pdf/spruf98a |
| 22:24.14 | pupnik | <click> |
| 22:24.41 | pupnik | hah 37 MB |
| 22:25.10 | jott | RST38h: now if we only had this for the omap24xx :p |
| 22:25.37 | RST38h | jott: Again, I am pretty sure that between this one and 59xx, a lot of things will be similar in 24x0 |
| 22:25.43 | pupnik | ahh TI *is* opening up |
| 22:25.57 | RST38h | Meanwhile in liberated Afghanistan: "Two Harriers launched a strike on a huge cache of 260 tons of [hashish], stuffed in sacks of grain and buried in trenches and underground bunkers in Kandahar province in southern Afghanistan. |
| 22:25.59 | jott | yeah some clues might be in there.. |
| 22:26.14 | RST38h | not clues but direct register descriptions |
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| 22:26.19 | Jaffa | lcuk: You can wildcard `svn add' and it even has a -R option IIRC |
| 22:26.28 | jott | mh |
| 22:26.36 | pupnik | O_o |
| 22:27.05 | lcuk | jaffa ahhh, so can just make sure all .c and .h files easily |
| 22:27.25 | lcuk | is planning imdoneforthenight.sh |
| 22:28.21 | lcuk | is it easy to see and handle conflicts? |
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| 22:28.59 | rolfok__ | hi |
| 22:34.18 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, you will, of course, be demoing mediaserv alongside tablet-encode, right? :P |
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| 22:39.33 | [A2K] | блÑ, ÑÑÑÑкие еÑÑÑ? |
| 22:40.02 | [A2K] | can i use two keyboard languages by switching them with some key combination? |
| 22:40.06 | [A2K] | i need english and russian |
| 22:40.21 | [A2K] | can't find how to switch them |
| 22:41.22 | pupnik | that sounds like a nice feature request [A2K] |
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| 22:42.06 | [A2K] | O_o you want to say that simple xkb map is not default in maemo!? |
| 22:42.18 | [A2K] | setxkbmap -layout "us,ru" |
| 22:42.23 | [A2K] | hmm |
| 22:42.26 | [A2K] | i'll try it now ) |
| 22:44.28 | [A2K] | oops.. |
| 22:44.31 | [A2K] | now Fn does not work |
| 22:44.33 | [A2K] | lol |
| 22:45.07 | pupnik | no afaict it goes through gnome/hildon |
| 22:45.14 | pupnik | it's not just sending X keyboard events |
| 22:45.19 | pupnik | afk |
| 22:45.30 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: hopefully, yes :) |
| 22:45.52 | [A2K] | ehh.. is there irssi for maemo? |
| 22:47.12 | [A2K] | or just some good irc client? |
| 22:47.26 | GeneralAntilles | XChat is in Extras |
| 22:47.30 | GeneralAntilles | irssi is around somewhere |
| 22:47.31 | GeneralAntilles | google. |
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| 22:50.41 | [A2K] | what is R&D mode? i had to enable it while flashing.. |
| 22:50.50 | GeneralAntilles | Er, why? |
| 22:51.06 | [A2K] | it did not want to give me root |
| 22:51.25 | GeneralAntilles | ~easyroot |
| 22:51.25 | infobot | [easyroot] an easy way to get root access on OS2008 and can be found at http://nitapps.com |
| 22:52.10 | [A2K] | :) too late |
| 22:52.26 | GeneralAntilles | You asked. |
| 22:53.16 | [A2K] | ok, thx |
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| 22:56.14 | [A2K] | is there some way to disable word completition and capitilizing? |
| 22:56.39 | [A2K] | found it |
| 22:57.14 | [A2K] | great. it works. |
| 22:57.21 | [A2K] | i love nokia. |
| 22:59.12 | ralann | lol, that pissed me off the first 5minutes |
| 23:01.17 | [A2K] | i hate that feature on my old siemens phone -- it cant be diasbled there |
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| 23:05.29 | [A2K] | what is the best IM client? i need jabber and maybe icq |
| 23:05.39 | Raytray | pidgin will work. |
| 23:06.10 | t_s_o | it a updated version with fixed icq available? |
| 23:06.15 | Atarii | are you on 2008? |
| 23:06.49 | Atarii | if so you the rtcomm beta, then you get them in teh default chat program |
| 23:06.58 | Atarii | s/you/use |
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| 23:10.24 | [A2K] | is going to sell old windows-based ppc tomorrow :) |
| 23:12.12 | Jaffa | beds |
| 23:13.14 | kkrusty | I was hoping to talk to pupnik |
| 23:13.34 | kkrusty | oh well... |
| 23:17.13 | [A2K] | omg i found php5 package O_o |
| 23:26.06 | [A2K] | i LOVE nokia! |
| 23:31.46 | pupnik | hi kkrusty |
| 23:31.49 | pupnik | heading out the door |
| 23:31.55 | pupnik | what up |
| 23:32.57 | kkrusty | pupnik: lcuk told me to ask you about projects on your website |
| 23:33.07 | pupnik | tons of things to do! |
| 23:33.31 | kkrusty | pupnik: I started to play with those touchme games. But then I figured "surely there must be something better to do" |
| 23:33.41 | kkrusty | play = play with code |
| 23:34.23 | pupnik | every thing needs work. pick someting you like and i give you a list of todos |
| 23:34.29 | kkrusty | cool |
| 23:34.31 | Navi | ,Ew |
| 23:34.35 | Navi | Work |
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| 23:35.41 | kkrusty | pupnik: pupnik.de? |
| 23:36.02 | pupnik | kkrusty: just email pupnik@pupnik.de (and please don't give out that address) |
| 23:36.06 | pupnik | ADHGEOAUBARSDAjlh |
| 23:36.10 | pupnik | that was supposed to be a PM |
| 23:36.20 | kkrusty | :D |
| 23:36.22 | pupnik | bangs head on keyboard |
| 23:36.36 | pupnik | oh well |
| 23:36.47 | Kegetys | hopefully you have a good spam blocker :P |
| 23:36.52 | jott | google spam bot here we go! |
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| 23:37.50 | pupnik | ok i'm out |
| 23:38.04 | kkrusty | pupnik: ok. Thanks. I'll look into it this weekend |
| 23:41.39 | Navi | poor pupnik |
| 23:42.21 | Navi | Expect web crawlers to pick up your email and start spamming you |
| 23:42.32 | kkrusty | I usually have one main address and a bunch of others that are forwards. I give away those to the masses |
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