| 00:06.59 | timely | or something approximating it at 3am |
| 00:10.57 | Robot101 | stupid last train back to cambridge |
| 00:11.04 | Robot101 | stops 19 times and arrives at 01:39 |
| 00:11.04 | Robot101 | no sleep for me :( |
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| 00:22.04 | Curs0r | I could use some advice if anyone knows about the nokia n800. I plug it in to charge, it begins to charge, then the device resets and it begins to charge again. I think this may harm the battery. |
| 00:23.57 | Curs0r | immediately after the blue LED on the d-pad flashes, the device resets |
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| 02:10.01 | zakm | anyone have any knowledge on opening up a nokia 770? |
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| 02:14.05 | tank-man | try youtube |
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| 02:23.50 | cactaur | I have something to ask. I bought an N800, but then realized that my area is not as wifi-friendly as I had hoped; so the N800 turns out to be a paperweight most of the time. I was wondering if it would be more cost-effective to buy a cheapo phone with a data plan so that I can have a continuous connection, or to get rid of the N800 and buy something else that comes capable with a service plan like the openmoko or something similar? |
| 02:24.57 | zakm | data plan? |
| 02:25.05 | zakm | thats so expensive |
| 02:25.28 | zakm | cactaur: ill give you $100 for your n800 :D |
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| 02:26.51 | cactaur | So I'm guessing you agree with the second option. |
| 02:27.12 | zakm | lol i think you should convince ppl to be more wifi-friendly |
| 02:27.32 | chmac | cactaur: You mean you don't have a wifi connection or you don't find wifi around where you live? |
| 02:27.34 | zakm | nah .. my nokia 770 broke.. WSOD -.- |
| 02:28.16 | cactaur | chmac: Nah, I have a wifi connection at home. But when I travel around, there aren't as many options to connect as I would have hoped. |
| 02:30.14 | cactaur | My basic goal is to stay connected. |
| 02:31.09 | zakm | thats hard |
| 02:31.17 | zakm | use offline stuff? |
| 02:33.00 | tank-man | maybe try an iphone w/ unltd data plan? |
| 02:33.16 | zakm | that'll be so expensive wouldn't it? |
| 02:33.17 | cactaur | Not really. |
| 02:33.39 | cactaur | Well, I hear an unlimited plan is like, $20 a month. |
| 02:33.54 | zakm | cactaur: where you live? |
| 02:34.01 | cactaur | Los Angeles |
| 02:34.06 | zakm | ah cool |
| 02:34.09 | cactaur | Which you would THINK would be wifi friendly. |
| 02:34.23 | zakm | im in Toronto, ON |
| 02:34.27 | zakm | and the wifi is perfect :D |
| 02:34.36 | zakm | too bad my nokia broke and have no money to get a new one |
| 02:35.32 | cactaur | tank-man: I prefer open platforms. I REALLY do not want to get an iphone. |
| 02:35.55 | tank-man | i say iphone cause i heard the data plan is cheap with it |
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| 02:57.37 | cactaur | Yeah, I read that the N800 was NOT supposed to be a phone. But I figured that with enough internet connections, I could just use Gizmo whenever I could get into a wifi zone. However, the only time I'm in an actual wifi zone is at home, where I have a land-line. So, do you still say that it would be best to just get an actual phone that can also do what the N800 does? |
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| 03:15.08 | tank-man | ... n800 is not a phone |
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| 03:21.34 | cactaur | I know that. But I don't think there's a way to have the N800 itself connect to a data network, right? My main thing was that phones can access the internet via networks while the N800 relies either on wifi, or those phones. I just wanted to know if it would be more economical to just buy a phone that's very internet-capable and get rid of the tablet or to buy a cheap phone to connect to the network, and have the N800 connect through the cheap phon |
| 03:21.34 | cactaur | e to the internet. |
| 03:22.12 | cactaur | I'm not complaining, I'm just asking for advice. |
| 03:22.17 | zakm | it can connect to data phone? |
| 03:22.24 | zakm | if you have a phone.. it can use the data plan on the phone? |
| 03:22.33 | tank-man | yes |
| 03:22.36 | cactaur | Yeah, through bluetooth. |
| 03:22.51 | zakm | hey |
| 03:22.53 | zakm | dont get rid of it |
| 03:23.10 | zakm | donate to a 17 year old student whos nokia 770 got wsod and has no warranty :( |
| 03:24.25 | cactaur | zakm: I'll see what I can do. But right now I'm looking for more expert opinions. |
| 03:24.35 | zakm | awesome :D |
| 03:24.56 | zakm | seriously though.. get a phone and use the bluetooth ;p |
| 03:25.24 | cactaur | All rightie, thanks for your thoughts. |
| 03:25.58 | cactaur | Though, I looked on ebay and there are people who start their N800 bids at $.99 |
| 03:26.07 | zakm | yeah ive looked |
| 03:26.11 | zakm | but they end at like $240- .l- |
| 03:26.32 | cactaur | I wonder if those end up better than those that start at $200. |
| 03:26.34 | zakm | i bought mine on ebay.. my nokia 770 for $85 .. in a month.. WSOD .. and now i have no way to fix it |
| 03:26.46 | tank-man | i think i saw like 5 ads for a n800 for ~$200 on craigslist in my area |
| 03:26.46 | cactaur | Flashing the OS doesn't help? |
| 03:26.53 | zakm | yeah i flashed like 50 times |
| 03:26.55 | zakm | it works just fine |
| 03:26.57 | zakm | but its all white |
| 03:27.07 | zakm | tank-man im in Toronto, ON |
| 03:27.11 | cactaur | And Nokia won't cover it? |
| 03:27.11 | zakm | lol |
| 03:27.19 | zakm | nokia.. im out of warranty |
| 03:27.24 | cactaur | oohh.... |
| 03:27.33 | zakm | tank-man: i can get it for $200 at a store -.- .. i dont have money lol |
| 03:27.33 | cactaur | That SUCKS. |
| 03:27.40 | zakm | yes it really does |
| 03:27.46 | cactaur | They still sell them at stores? |
| 03:27.50 | zakm | i spent long saving up for it.. nojob no allowance.. im 17 years old |
| 03:27.55 | zakm | n800's .. yes |
| 03:28.01 | zakm | not 770's |
| 03:28.08 | cactaur | I thought all N800 were sold out by now. |
| 03:28.27 | zakm | im in a huge city ;p |
| 03:30.37 | tank-man | did you drop it? |
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| 03:34.20 | rwhitby | cactaur: be aware that the iphone does not allow you to get an n800 to use it for data access. no bluetooth tethering on the iphone. |
| 03:34.51 | cactaur | rwhitby: Don't worry. I'm staying well away from the iphone. |
| 03:34.53 | rwhitby | oh, sorry, mixed cactaur and tank-man |
| 03:35.38 | zakm | tank-man: no |
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| 03:55.22 | Dekaritae | tank-man: I scored one for $160, but I haven't seen one at that price since |
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| 04:43.40 | ranit | hi, how do i use hildon framework for a Qt application on n810 |
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| 04:50.59 | GeneralAntilles | ranit, you don't. |
| 04:53.15 | ranit | so is there any framework that allows me to work with Qt on the device, GeneralAntilles |
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| 04:54.14 | L0cutus | re |
| 04:54.16 | GeneralAntilles | http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/ |
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| 04:58.30 | ranit | thanx , site updated on 26 jun |
| 05:02.57 | zap | Anybody succeeded to get serial console on n810? |
| 05:03.10 | zap | or something equivalent, where I could see kernel messages |
| 05:03.44 | GeneralAntilles | zap, look at Debian-maemo? |
| 05:05.29 | zap | what is Debian-maemo? |
| 05:06.19 | GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Debian_for_NITs_development http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian |
| 05:06.30 | GeneralAntilles | Debian boots with an fb console. |
| 05:07.15 | zap | Hmm, interesting idea |
| 05:07.21 | zap | I could enable fb console in kernel |
| 05:07.53 | zap | although this is not too good as you can't copy :) |
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| 05:09.51 | johnx | you can at least watch boot messages on OS2008 as well |
| 05:10.19 | zap | well I don't need boot messages :) I need debug output from a driver, and it generates a lot of output |
| 05:10.28 | zap | and then crashes :) |
| 05:10.38 | johnx | hmm |
| 05:11.07 | johnx | I don't remember hearing about many (any?) people getting serial console working... |
| 05:11.35 | johnx | doesn't mean it's impossible of course, but there isn't any documentation for people outside Nokia unless I missed something |
| 05:12.23 | zap | I have seen somewhere the pinout of the serial connector under the battery |
| 05:12.40 | zap | but it's 3.3V and needs a voltage converter, unless your PC understands 3.3Vv |
| 05:13.15 | johnx | tries to remember his serial port terminology |
| 05:17.11 | Stskeeps | yawns and pokes the coffee machine |
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| 05:17.56 | johnx | mmm...more coffee |
| 05:21.47 | Stskeeps | i wonder how to force a +x attribute on a file in svn when it wasn't +x in the first place |
| 05:22.41 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm, anybody think the "Securing root access" section here should be spun off to keep the size of the Root access article down? http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access |
| 05:22.48 | GeneralAntilles | Or does somebody want to prune the section a bit? |
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| 05:30.47 | zap | Stskeeps: svn propset svn:executable 1 <file> |
| 05:30.52 | Stskeeps | zap: ta |
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| 05:34.25 | RST38h | GA: IMHO, it should be comprssed not spun off |
| 05:34.47 | zap | GeneralAntilles: I'd put the section about R&D mode before "securing root access" |
| 05:35.31 | zap | and "securing root access" contains just too many words, I'd just put a simple instruction - do this, do that, period. |
| 05:36.13 | RST38h | zap: The R&D stuff has nothing to do with securing root access, it should really be placed above it |
| 05:36.26 | zap | that's what I said |
| 05:36.47 | GeneralAntilles | Reload. |
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| 05:37.04 | RST38h | yep |
| 05:37.30 | zap | is there any reason to disable root logins via ssh? This seems ridiculous, as ssh was designed from the very beginning for secure root remote access |
| 05:37.33 | RST38h | Section Secure future root-level access is empty and should be dropped |
| 05:38.18 | GeneralAntilles | zap, good enough for me. |
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| 05:41.53 | GeneralAntilles | Do we really need the list of Windows SSH clients? |
| 05:42.41 | qwerty12 | Dunno. If not, I'd just mention in one sentence that putty can be used on windows/linux. |
| 05:42.55 | GeneralAntilles | I'm gonna say "no |
| 05:42.56 | GeneralAntilles | " |
| 05:43.03 | GeneralAntilles | That belongs in an ssh access article. |
| 05:44.15 | GeneralAntilles | The sudoers configuration steps should really be done with visudo, no? |
| 05:44.27 | GeneralAntilles | echoing that seems like a good way to end up with a reboot loop. |
| 05:44.29 | qwerty12 | yes, it should for sure |
| 05:44.40 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, you want to re-write those steps? |
| 05:45.11 | qwerty12 | I'm not a wiki editor at heart :). |
| 05:45.23 | qwerty12 | There's also another way of getting root too: http://www.guru-group.fi/~too/sw/maemo/rootsh/ |
| 05:45.49 | GeneralAntilles | No need to complicate things |
| 05:46.04 | GeneralAntilles | 2 "root access" packages is more than enough. |
| 05:46.26 | qwerty12 | *shrugs* |
| 05:46.59 | qwerty12 | If you want users to use visudo (and I'm not saying that you shouldn't), you may want to point them to a vi for n00bs site too. |
| 05:47.03 | GeneralAntilles | For newbies asking "How do I get root", the answer shouldn't be "this package, or this package, or this package" |
| 05:47.09 | GeneralAntilles | How do they know which one to choose? |
| 05:47.11 | GeneralAntilles | Just confusing. |
| 05:47.14 | qwerty12 | True |
| 05:48.06 | GeneralAntilles | I'd say the 770 WSOD crap at the top can go. |
| 05:48.21 | GeneralAntilles | Most of the 770s that are going to WSOD have WSODed already. |
| 05:48.29 | GeneralAntilles | Disclaimer can probably go, too. |
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| 05:52.06 | qwerty12 | Brilliant work on the wiki to all involved, I'm reading: http://wiki.maemo.org/Programming_FM_radio . I'm learning a bit of python anyway so a little program to record from the radio would be nice :). |
| 05:52.27 | tank-man | i'd like an app like that :) |
| 05:52.33 | qwerty12 | I'm a hypocrite. I've always said I didn't like python of the speed and guess what I am learning now >.<? |
| 05:52.47 | qwerty12 | s/of/because of |
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| 05:55.43 | qwerty12 | Any ideas? "/scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set |
| 05:55.43 | qwerty12 | ". I'm running in DIABLO_X86. Tell me I'm wrong, but I'd naturally assume I don't need any qemu as cputrans as my processor is already X86. |
| 05:56.35 | johnx | qwerty12, that's what happens to everyone. python is a pretty nice language to program in |
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| 05:57.43 | timely | zap: yes disabling root logins via ssh is trivial |
| 05:58.13 | timely | PermitRootLogin |
| 05:59.05 | timely | SSH: Configuring Root Logins |
| 05:59.05 | timely | PermitRootLogin no. This will disable all root logins. ... PermitRootLogin nopwd. This allows root logins only when an authentication method other than ... |
| 05:59.05 | timely | www.ssh.com/support/documentation/online/ssh/adminguide/32/Configuring_Root_Logins.html |
| 05:59.43 | qwerty12 | I don't know why anyone would want to do that but a sed line should make that easier for people. |
| 06:00.35 | timely | do what? |
| 06:00.43 | timely | i could easily make a package to do it |
| 06:00.47 | timely | i have sed packages :) |
| 06:01.05 | qwerty12 | Cool :). I'm talking about disabling root logins over ssh. |
| 06:01.22 | timely | do you want No, or Nopwd? |
| 06:01.28 | timely | i'd probably make a Nopwd package |
| 06:02.09 | GeneralAntilles | What's the word on the user password these days? |
| 06:02.29 | GeneralAntilles | Seems to me we'd be better off with most of that section just going away. . . . |
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| 06:03.23 | timely | last i checked you didn't want to set a user password if you wanted your device to boot properly |
| 06:04.05 | timely | you can setup an ssh key on user though iirc |
| 06:04.13 | qwerty12 | If you were willing to use a usb keyboard and fanoush framebuffer tools, you probably could set a user password... |
| 06:04.52 | GeneralAntilles | Think in terms of users. |
| 06:04.58 | GeneralAntilles | Do they really need to do these things? |
| 06:05.03 | GeneralAntilles | I'd say, "no". |
| 06:05.05 | timely | "do which"? |
| 06:05.35 | GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access#Securing_root_access |
| 06:05.39 | qwerty12 | Same here. I don't know why a user would want to set a password anyway on user. I'd just point to the device lock feature. |
| 06:06.04 | qwerty12 | (although that can be broken with a cat and grep >.<) |
| 06:06.04 | GeneralAntilles | The sudoers lines are just a good way to end up in a reboot loop. |
| 06:07.00 | timely | heh |
| 06:07.07 | qwerty12 | I would not recommend leaving them there. If the user really needs to run a certain program as root without typing root etc, then they can use fanoush script: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=122754&postcount=5 |
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| 06:08.11 | timely | GeneralAntilles: as is, i wouldn't understand that the section doesn't apply to n810s |
| 06:08.15 | timely | so it really needs to be changed |
| 06:08.40 | GeneralAntilles | reload |
| 06:09.26 | melmoth | qwerty12: first thing i do once i install ssh is to change the root and user password |
| 06:09.35 | timely | At this point you should have gained root access to your device, and be looking at the root prompt: |
| 06:09.35 | timely | # |
| 06:09.35 | timely | However, if your Wi-Fi network is not password protected, so might anyone else near you who has Wi-Fi, SSH and a clue. |
| 06:09.35 | timely | You still need to secure the root account ("rootme" is a terrible password). |
| 06:10.01 | timely | it still doesn't tell me this only applies to old systems that didn't change the password |
| 06:10.03 | qwerty12 | melmoth, change it yes. I think disabling it is a bit extreme though. |
| 06:10.57 | qwerty12 | fcuk scratchbox btw, I'm compiling outside of it and it still wants to run: "faheem@andLinux:/scratchbox/users/faheem/home/faheem/kernel/kernel-source-diablo-2.6.21/kernel-source$ make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=../../arm-2008q1/bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi- bzImage" " /scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: /targets/links/scratchbox.config: No such file or directory" |
| 06:11.08 | timely | qwerty12: i could change http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/capture-root-0.1.deb so that it Set PermitRootLogin nopwd |
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| 06:11.34 | timely | qwerty12: did you reconfigure? |
| 06:12.06 | qwerty12 | good point, make clean doesn't remove a .config file, does it? |
| 06:12.13 | timely | shrugs |
| 06:12.24 | timely | i was just assuming it wasn't a feature of the sources |
| 06:12.30 | timely | i don't really want to look |
| 06:12.49 | |kki| | mmm seems "cron" drain my battery very fast :( |
| 06:13.10 | qwerty12 | Heh, no probs, just dunno why it's being a asshole. scratchbox sucks because it thinks X86 needs a cputransparency >.< |
| 06:13.21 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, there's a reason Nokia doesn't bundle it. |
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| 06:14.34 | |kki| | but i don't' know why it does this, i do not see cpu consuming |
| 06:14.59 | GeneralAntilles | Doesn't take but a little bit. |
| 06:15.11 | GeneralAntilles | OK, dneary's wiki article for today is pretty much there. |
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| 06:18.37 | johnx | |kki|, the things that drain the CPU the most are apps causing it to wake up all the time |
| 06:19.34 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody have an opinion on non-English pages in the wiki? https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Maemowiki_Action_Group#Russian_Language_Section |
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| 06:31.51 | timely | GeneralAntilles: i don't want search clutter |
| 06:31.56 | timely | dns entries are fine :) |
| 06:32.00 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, neither do I. |
| 06:32.20 | GeneralAntilles | We'd have to run a separate wiki install for each language, then. |
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| 06:34.34 | qwerty12 | Man, I really could do with a windows compile of 0xFFFF. libusb is available on windows too. If the windows nokia flasher was going to be made retarded, at least add some phoenix features in it. |
| 06:35.20 | timely | heh |
| 06:35.40 | timely | GeneralAntilles: on an as requested basis. minimum commitment = 5 people |
| 06:35.55 | timely | we don't need extra ways to host wiki spam |
| 06:36.20 | GeneralAntilles | I don't think any non-english wiki is gonna have the people behind it to be feasible, myself. |
| 06:37.37 | timely | as requested trial basis. surveyed monthly, if spam exceeds X, it's disabled. |
| 06:39.48 | GeneralAntilles | Sounds like a plan, but it's something that'll need to be pushed maemo.org-side more than anything. |
| 06:41.15 | timely | not my problem |
| 06:41.32 | GeneralAntilles | Not mine, either. :D |
| 06:42.24 | timely | anyway stick my comments into the page and move along ;-) |
| 06:42.45 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 06:42.56 | timely | hi |
| 06:43.09 | GeneralAntilles | Howdy, Jaffa. |
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| 06:48.07 | qwerty12 | w00t, my port of the android omap patches to diablo kernel worked :) |
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| 06:49.56 | Jaffa | And what do they do? |
| 06:50.22 | johnx | qwerty12, O_o |
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| 06:50.40 | johnx | that must have taken a bit of effort! |
| 06:51.29 | qwerty12 | Jaffa, Allow me to run android hopefully. There's a touchscreen fix which I'll look into later. Anyone know how well framebuffer works, I've got to try and port an onscreen keyboard which lives in the kernel (yes, this was new to me too) |
| 06:51.33 | qwerty12 | johnx, yep :) |
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| 06:52.00 | johnx | framebuffer...hmm...it's gonna be a little slow |
| 06:52.02 | Jaffa | qwerty12: ah, right |
| 06:52.20 | johnx | probably lots of tearing too |
| 06:52.28 | qwerty12 | johnx, yeah, i think it will be easier to just get a usb keyboard |
| 06:53.01 | johnx | well, slow framebuffer is kind of unavoidable without xomap |
| 06:53.46 | johnx | doesn't matter if you're using an onscreen keyboard or just poking around with the touchscreen |
| 07:01.34 | qwerty12 | Bye. |
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| 07:10.02 | hrw | morning |
| 07:11.59 | RST38h | hrw,qwerty,johnx,jaffa: moo. |
| 07:12.09 | johnx | hmm? |
| 07:12.24 | RST38h | ok, let us make it "hello". |
| 07:12.31 | johnx | hi |
| 07:13.01 | johnx | I respond to moo and m00 also of course :) |
| 07:13.24 | johnx | the "hmm?" was more of a "What's up?" |
| 07:14.00 | Jaffa | RST38h: moooning |
| 07:14.48 | Navi | :P |
| 07:16.25 | johnx | wanders AFK to do dishes :| |
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| 07:17.43 | hrw | hi Jussi |
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| 07:18.21 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody want to volunteer to start on this? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Maemo_Mapper&action=edit&redlink=1 |
| 07:18.49 | hrw | GeneralAntilles: to write about it? |
| 07:19.00 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, to start the article. |
| 07:19.09 | hrw | not me then |
| 07:19.14 | GeneralAntilles | Put together an infobox, write an introduction, start filling in the history and information. |
| 07:19.24 | hrw | I have nightmares after looking at m-m source |
| 07:21.27 | GeneralAntilles | The wiki interest that was drummed up during that Upmtious/meanwhile nonsense has long since faded. |
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| 07:22.33 | keesj | any dreambox owners around? |
| 07:25.39 | Navi | zomg viruzez |
| 07:26.59 | dev | keesj: I can relay you to one, but not sure if he is awake yet |
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| 07:29.11 | RST38h | GA: Invite him back! |
| 07:30.20 | RST38h | GA: Btw, hrw found who Darius was - apparently some Polish celebrity troll with psychiatric problems |
| 07:31.05 | Navi | o_o |
| 07:31.08 | Jaffa | Aye. I wish I could read Polish to read the stuff about him :/ |
| 07:31.20 | GeneralAntilles | fanoush noticed that |
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| 07:37.51 | GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/maemo-meeting-2008-06-30.html |
| 07:38.30 | X-Fade | thinks GA tracks Recent Changes :) |
| 07:38.30 | GeneralAntilles | Something like that. |
| 07:38.41 | GeneralAntilles | It's still light enough to keep track. ;) |
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| 07:39.03 | lbt | http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras |
| 07:39.36 | lbt | do you have a wiki notification mechanism? |
| 07:39.42 | lbt | like watch |
| 07:39.47 | lbt | but 'watch all' |
| 07:39.53 | lbt | including new pages |
| 07:40.01 | GeneralAntilles | Well, if there's specific articles you want to keep track of: http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Watchlist |
| 07:40.08 | GeneralAntilles | To see the whole feed: http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Recentchanges |
| 07:40.23 | X-Fade | lbt: There is a rss feed for Recent Changes too. |
| 07:40.33 | GeneralAntilles | It kinda sucks, though. |
| 07:40.48 | X-Fade | Yes, but at least you see there _was_ a change ;) |
| 07:40.58 | timely | gan: i missed the meeting? |
| 07:41.02 | lbt | I wanted an email notification for my wiki : http://linux-raid.osdl.org/ |
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| 07:41.25 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, oh, -m #maemo-meeting. It interferes with people's abilities to use their IRC clients when they're in there. |
| 07:41.26 | lbt | I guess RSS is next best - but I live by email <grin> |
| 07:41.55 | timely | yes please |
| 07:41.56 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Why would they be in there in the first place ;) |
| 07:41.59 | timely | i can't /nick timelyx |
| 07:42.08 | X-Fade | Ah, really? Is it that bad? |
| 07:42.11 | timely | X-Fade: so i don't miss the channel taffic |
| 07:42.12 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, so you don't have to remember to join before the next meeting, of course! |
| 07:42.13 | timely | yes |
| 07:42.18 | GeneralAntilles | +m prevents nick changes. |
| 07:42.30 | X-Fade | Argh, that is lame. |
| 07:42.50 | GeneralAntilles | Nah, it makes sense during a real meeting. |
| 07:43.01 | GeneralAntilles | Prevents people from /nicking to send messages to the channel. |
| 07:43.08 | GeneralAntilles | Just don't leave things sitting around +m. :P |
| 07:43.37 | X-Fade | Ok, well it is off now.. |
| 07:43.58 | GeneralAntilles | Thanks |
| 07:44.56 | timelyx | :) |
| 07:45.57 | timelyx | anyway, i'll try to push an updated garage to mxr.maemo.org today |
| 07:46.03 | timelyx | w/ luck that dns could go live this week :o |
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| 07:46.05 | GeneralAntilles | I wonder where the css for that stupid message banner is. . . . |
| 07:47.21 | GeneralAntilles | In 2 sentences or less, "What is Extras?" |
| 07:47.55 | timelyx | additional packages with less testing but potentially faster updates. |
| 07:48.02 | timelyx | if it isn't. please let me know. |
| 07:48.25 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: The maemo.org repository for community sofware? |
| 07:49.05 | GeneralAntilles | Sounds good. |
| 07:49.21 | GeneralAntilles | Thanks, lbt! http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras |
| 07:49.22 | johnx | Extras is a selection of software for your Nokia Internet Tablet created by other Tablet users. This software often provides many interesting features and is usually of good quality, but can occasionally be less than perfect |
| 07:49.38 | GeneralAntilles | Will a .install enable Extras or just create a duplicate entry? |
| 07:50.10 | Jaffa | I've found it sometimes creates a duplicate if the .install specifies something /slightly/ different to the existing one (on chinook, at least) |
| 07:50.45 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm, well, X-Fade, do you have a .install handy that we could link to from that wiki page that would enable it cleanly? |
| 07:51.08 | timelyx | heh |
| 07:51.13 | timelyx | file a bug against AM :) |
| 07:51.33 | X-Fade | timelyx: There already is. IIRC. |
| 07:52.20 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Not handy at the moment, the .install files for extras don't seem to be generated at the moment. This is something I need to look in to. |
| 07:52.29 | X-Fade | Ehm Diablo extras. |
| 07:52.45 | GeneralAntilles | distribution = |
| 07:52.46 | GeneralAntilles | ? |
| 07:53.01 | X-Fade | I'm not sure if that is allowed in .install |
| 07:54.24 | johnx | I thought it was... |
| 07:54.56 | GeneralAntilles | I think so, too. |
| 07:55.30 | johnx | might it be "not officially supported" or something? |
| 07:56.55 | GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node14.html#sec:pack_controlling_installation |
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| 07:59.56 | hrw | guys: is there some kind of holiday in UK today? |
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| 08:02.34 | Jaffa | hrw: nope |
| 08:02.34 | RST38h | pvanhoof: hey, any news on fixing that modest crash on email fetch? |
| 08:02.56 | pvanhoof | RST38h, bug# ? |
| 08:03.12 | pvanhoof | RST38h, but it's better to ask sergio |
| 08:03.25 | RST38h | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3311 |
| 08:04.58 | sergio | RST38h that bug is being fixed now |
| 08:05.30 | sergio | if you update the diablo package from modest web it becomes better |
| 08:05.39 | GeneralAntilles | Should it be confirmed and assigned, then? |
| 08:05.40 | sergio | but the real fix is being developed right now |
| 08:05.47 | sergio | sure |
| 08:05.56 | sergio | actually the version used for diablo release crashes a lot |
| 08:06.05 | sergio | unfortunately :( |
| 08:06.12 | sergio | newer versions are far much better |
| 08:06.40 | GeneralAntilles | SSU. :D |
| 08:07.01 | sergio | :) |
| 08:07.28 | sergio | the problem is not easy to fix |
| 08:07.59 | pvanhoof | oh that's the NSS problem, sergio ? |
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| 08:08.12 | pvanhoof | sergio, Since openssl is being shipped, why don't we use that instead? |
| 08:08.27 | RST38h | sergio: are there .debs or may be an .install file for newer versions? |
| 08:08.32 | sergio | pvanhoof dape is working on that |
| 08:08.41 | sergio | problem is tinymail leaves some threads alive |
| 08:08.46 | sergio | when camel_shutdown is called |
| 08:08.52 | pvanhoof | Moving to openssl? or fixing the nss problems? |
| 08:08.52 | sergio | and NSS does not like it at all |
| 08:09.08 | RST38h | is fling two more modest bugs |
| 08:09.15 | pvanhoof | Still feels like nss bugs to me :( |
| 08:09.28 | RST38h | sergio; Why are you leaving any threads running at all? |
| 08:09.39 | pvanhoof | RST38h, dape is fixing it, he said |
| 08:09.43 | RST38h | (and do you really need to use threads just to fetch email?) |
| 08:09.58 | sergio | RST38h well tinymail does not wait for some threads to close |
| 08:10.02 | sergio | like the idle thread in imap |
| 08:10.10 | pvanhoof | RST38h, camel has a blocking IO design, there's no other way |
| 08:10.12 | sergio | or a thread used for logins in POP |
| 08:10.30 | sergio | so we're developing some code to properly close those threads |
| 08:10.34 | sergio | before the shutdown |
| 08:11.03 | sergio | and regarding newer packages |
| 08:11.09 | pvanhoof | Didn't dape committed a patch recently in tinymail for that? I remember he did. Perhaps it's not yet in the packages? |
| 08:11.14 | sergio | modest.garage.maemo.org had weekly releases |
| 08:11.19 | pvanhoof | aha |
| 08:11.28 | sergio | although they were for chinook |
| 08:11.37 | sergio | I don't know if packages for diablo are available |
| 08:11.49 | sergio | pvanhoof yes there were some patches |
| 08:11.54 | sergio | but there is still a problem in POP |
| 08:12.00 | sergio | the wait for login thread |
| 08:12.04 | sergio | could be alive as well |
| 08:12.06 | pvanhoof | oh ic |
| 08:12.20 | pvanhoof | I don't think nss should crash for that |
| 08:12.24 | pvanhoof | but anyway :) |
| 08:12.24 | sergio | dape told me that he's cooking some kind of shutdown code |
| 08:12.39 | sergio | but as you know |
| 08:12.48 | sergio | locking in camel is quite....messy |
| 08:12.51 | sergio | :) |
| 08:12.53 | pvanhoof | *nods* |
| 08:12.56 | RST38h | pvanhoof: Why not just wait for IO to complete? |
| 08:12.59 | pvanhoof | camel is ... quite messy |
| 08:13.09 | sergio | RST38h we can not block the UI |
| 08:13.11 | pvanhoof | RST38h, because users usually want their UI to get updated |
| 08:13.11 | sergio | never :-) |
| 08:13.26 | RST38h | sergio,pvanhoof: Yes, but it is the background mail fetch process - it shows NO UI! |
| 08:13.46 | sergio | they both use the same code |
| 08:13.51 | sergio | almost |
| 08:13.55 | RST38h | BTW, look at #3358 - it is not critical but weird |
| 08:13.58 | GeneralAntilles | Can you specify more than one distribution in the distribution field? So, taking maemo Extras, rather than having two entries, or changing the default entry to "chinook" can you get away with "chinook diablo"? |
| 08:14.08 | RST38h | GA: No :( |
| 08:14.29 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, in an install file? or in app manager? |
| 08:14.30 | RST38h | tried it yesterday, no luck |
| 08:14.51 | GeneralAntilles | Application manager. |
| 08:15.02 | sergio | RST38h does it only happen with Modest? |
| 08:15.08 | RST38h | sergio: Yep |
| 08:15.26 | RST38h | It *may* happen with some other apps but I did not find any |
| 08:15.33 | sergio | quite weird indeed |
| 08:15.42 | sergio | anyway we'll take a look |
| 08:15.45 | RST38h | it may be hildon related rather than Modest though |
| 08:15.45 | GeneralAntilles | is testing out having a .install undisable Extras. |
| 08:15.47 | sergio | thx for the reports |
| 08:15.57 | sergio | that's why I asked for other apps |
| 08:16.04 | RST38h | Also BT keyboard is suspiciously lagging, even if CPU is not doing anything useful |
| 08:16.18 | RST38h | It lags for *all* apps. |
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| 08:19.17 | zap | even normal USB keyboard lags in Maemo |
| 08:19.24 | zap | I don't know the reason, but the lag is noticeable |
| 08:19.30 | GeneralAntilles | OK, the .install will undisable Extras (Application manager says, "Catalog already installed but disabled. Enable now? maemo Extras") |
| 08:19.55 | Navi | what lag with the USB keyboard? |
| 08:20.12 | zap | when you press a key, it appears in terminal after some time |
| 08:20.17 | zap | say 0.2seconds or so |
| 08:20.24 | timelyx | ok, fwiw mxr should go live today. it would have been live already, but for me being a bit sleepy |
| 08:22.03 | Navi | Oh |
| 08:22.11 | Navi | I didn't really notice it 'till you pointed it out |
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| 08:23.06 | GeneralAntilles | ^ slow typist |
| 08:23.42 | GeneralAntilles | So I need something that looks like this: http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/extras.install somewhere on that I can link to from the Extras wiki page. |
| 08:23.49 | Navi | Sorry that I don't match your 100WPM, GeneralAntilles |
| 08:23.54 | GeneralAntilles | s/on/on maemo.org/ |
| 08:25.03 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Shall I put it in the extras-assistant tree somewhere? |
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| 08:25.38 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, up to you. Wherever you think is good. |
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| 08:27.24 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/install/extras.install |
| 08:27.40 | GeneralAntilles | Excellent, thanks! |
| 08:27.57 | X-Fade | Do you want one for extras-devel too? |
| 08:29.34 | GeneralAntilles | I was thinking it might be useful to have a "have to set up Extras-devel yourself" barrier-to-entry for that, but, yeah, we should probably have one for Extras-devel. |
| 08:30.14 | X-Fade | We shouldn't promote -devel to regular users, so perhaps we don't need it ;) |
| 08:31.09 | GeneralAntilles | files a typo bug against Application manager. |
| 08:31.21 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: PATCH :) |
| 08:31.46 | GeneralAntilles | is not ready to dive into that just yet. |
| 08:31.54 | X-Fade | lol |
| 08:32.32 | GeneralAntilles | Part of the reason I didn't want to pick up the Application manager stuff yesterday is that I'd like to see it pushed by somebody who's actually going to submit patches. ;) |
| 08:32.57 | X-Fade | Yeah, I got that. |
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| 08:33.21 | X-Fade | Well, it is good to have a non programmer manager, but we would also need some coders :) |
| 08:34.10 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, that's true. |
| 08:34.30 | GeneralAntilles | But I'm worried about me pushing something like that and ending with something that nobody actually uses. |
| 08:41.32 | RST38h | X-Fade: you are finally changing app manager? =) |
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| 08:42.51 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, the idea is to get the community involved in improving Application manager. |
| 08:43.15 | GeneralAntilles | Opening up a testing repository for community patches, etc. |
| 08:43.27 | RST38h | ah |
| 08:43.47 | RST38h | So you have gone beyond that initial design mockup? |
| 08:43.55 | GeneralAntilles | Me? No. |
| 08:44.10 | RST38h | plural "you" =) |
| 08:44.28 | GeneralAntilles | It's just getting started. |
| 08:44.44 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, if you want to help push this community side, the task still needs a coordinator. :D |
| 08:45.12 | crashanddie | if I want to try and build libc-dev, should I add diablo-extras-devel to take into account worked dependencies ? |
| 08:45.17 | crashanddie | Or just do *everything* myself ? |
| 08:45.20 | RST38h | GA: I am not in the position of taking any more work right now |
| 08:45.25 | GeneralAntilles | :P |
| 08:45.32 | X-Fade | RST38h: Nokia likes some of the ideas that GA proposed, but the community would have to implement it as they don't have it on the roadmap at the moment. |
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| 08:45.36 | RST38h | GA: 8 hours work + 3.5 hours commute + family |
| 08:46.06 | RST38h | Barely have time to move my own projects ahead |
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| 08:46.16 | X-Fade | The idea would be for the community to work on a branch in the application manager svn repository on garage. |
| 08:46.35 | crashanddie | *cough*movetogit*cough* |
| 08:46.39 | RST38h | X-Fade: Have you seen the final version of PackRat I have done? |
| 08:46.43 | X-Fade | We could even release an application-manager-experimental on extras ;) |
| 08:47.03 | X-Fade | or -devel, actually. |
| 08:47.10 | X-Fade | RST38h: No, I haven't. |
| 08:47.19 | RST38h | X-Fade: http://ageofikon.info/packrat/ |
| 08:47.51 | RST38h | X-Fade: It may be worth doing something similar (but of course less web-oriented) in App manager |
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| 08:48.38 | X-Fade | RST38h: Well, you know.. We don't even need to have application manager as package selection program ;) |
| 08:48.58 | X-Fade | You could do it all on a web page.. |
| 08:49.44 | crashanddie | I don't think having 2 bazillion repos is a good thing actually |
| 08:49.50 | X-Fade | RST38h: Btw, where can I select distribution? |
| 08:49.56 | X-Fade | crashanddie: Me neither ;) |
| 08:50.20 | RST38h | X-Fade: just select the base OSD |
| 08:50.21 | RST38h | OS |
| 08:50.33 | X-Fade | RST38h: yeah, but that is not enough ;) |
| 08:50.37 | RST38h | X-Fade: it pulls lists from Gronmayer which uses OS version |
| 08:50.51 | RST38h | X-Fade: I know, will probably extend it later |
| 08:51.22 | crashanddie | it pulls a list on each script call? |
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| 08:51.41 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm, OK, quick poll. If you open up Application manager and go to the Tools menu, you see "Application catalog...". Should catalog be plural or not? |
| 08:51.42 | RST38h | crash: Well, it is not something we can change at the moment. In fact, I suspect the repos will just multiply because it became so difficult to commit stuff to extras |
| 08:51.47 | GeneralAntilles | The dialog it opens is "Catalogs" |
| 08:51.59 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, plural |
| 08:52.13 | GeneralAntilles | So I guess it depends on whether the "catalog" is an individual repository or the sum of all repositories. |
| 08:52.22 | RST38h | X-Fade: We do need an app manager because web site has no idea of what you have installed |
| 08:52.26 | macoute | Its a catalog of possible repositories |
| 08:52.35 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, I always read it as catalog synonym for repo |
| 08:52.59 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, so did I. |
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| 08:53.11 | GeneralAntilles | But filling this bug, I just thought about it like they probably intended it. |
| 08:53.15 | RST38h | GA: catalogS |
| 08:53.40 | GeneralAntilles | Honestly, it'd probably be better off as "repositories" since that's how it's referred to pretty much everywhere in the community. |
| 08:53.47 | RST38h | If it were a repo catalog, it would say Repository Catalog |
| 08:53.53 | zap | the biggest thing I miss in app manager is the ability to check a lot of apps and install them all at once |
| 08:53.55 | GeneralAntilles | I'm not sure what term the official docs use, though. |
| 08:53.55 | crashanddie | plus |
| 08:54.13 | RST38h | Just keep it Catalogs |
| 08:54.20 | crashanddie | zap, agreed |
| 08:54.24 | RST38h | Joe User has no idea what repo is |
| 08:54.34 | crashanddie | zap, but that's where apt-get comes in handy (for the moment) |
| 08:54.44 | GeneralAntilles | Same really goes for "catalog", though. |
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| 08:55.31 | macoute | but there is only one of those catalogs |
| 08:55.42 | macoute | especially for Joe User |
| 08:55.44 | hrw | zap: o yes |
| 08:55.48 | zap | crashanddie: I don't want apt-get, I want point-and-click :) |
| 08:56.12 | macoute | so it cant be plural imo |
| 08:56.15 | GeneralAntilles | Either the menu entry needs to be changed, or the repository dialog needs to be changed to be consistent with itself. |
| 08:56.45 | GeneralAntilles | macoute, what does the dialog that comes up when you tap "Application catalog..." say? |
| 08:56.52 | zap | and the list of app groups is bogus, and apps with similar basename should be grouped |
| 08:57.07 | GeneralAntilles | zap, packaging issue. |
| 08:57.59 | GeneralAntilles | Boingo and Canola both need to be slapped. |
| 08:58.56 | macoute | GeneralAntilles: Catalogs, but that is quite right |
| 08:59.06 | GeneralAntilles | macoute, it can't be both. |
| 08:59.15 | macoute | as it is a catalog, which contains catalogs |
| 08:59.17 | RST38h | GA: Well if they don't know what catalog is, I do not care |
| 08:59.19 | zap | perhaps it's packaging issue, but I'd rather prefer to group packages by repo |
| 08:59.22 | GeneralAntilles | Either the catalog is the sum off all repositories or it's an individual repository. |
| 08:59.26 | macoute | but the actual catalog is only one catalog, which contain all the apps |
| 08:59.33 | RST38h | And it is CATALOGUE! (evil cackling) |
| 08:59.42 | GeneralAntilles | macoute, that is ridiculously confusing. |
| 08:59.54 | macoute | but actually, i think the reason is that it has been translated from finnish |
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| 09:00.55 | macoute | in finnish it is 'sovellusluettelo' -> 'Luettelot', which is literally the same than in english but is maybe even more 'right' said |
| 09:01.02 | zap | or alternatively, App manager should have a hard-coded list of app groups, and not show packages which use wrong app groups; this will force devs to fix their packages |
| 09:01.19 | GeneralAntilles | zap, check the -developers discussions on this |
| 09:01.27 | crashanddie | zap, hard coded would be wrong |
| 09:01.39 | GeneralAntilles | I can understand Canola's motivations for putting all their stuff in one category |
| 09:01.39 | crashanddie | zap, but yeah, people need to stop adding libs to mainstream categories |
| 09:01.49 | GeneralAntilles | but all it really manages to due is further invalidate the whole category system. |
| 09:02.03 | GeneralAntilles | libraries don't go in User/ |
| 09:02.33 | GeneralAntilles | Either a userspace application depends on them, or you're a dev and can figure out how to install it from apt-get. |
| 09:02.40 | GeneralAntilles | Anything else is somebody's bad packaging. |
| 09:02.41 | crashanddie | though, I also understand that it's frustrating that when you port a lib, AppManager will refuse to install it, because it's not in User/ |
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| 09:02.56 | crashanddie | but that doesn't mean it should end up there |
| 09:03.05 | GeneralAntilles | It will install it just fine as a dependency. |
| 09:03.11 | crashanddie | yeah |
| 09:03.24 | crashanddie | though you'll probably won't even notice :P |
| 09:03.57 | crashanddie | That's why sometimes app manager is confusing... You see two apps, requiring both 5M of disk space... Install the first, the second only uses 0.2M worth of space |
| 09:04.19 | lcuk | ~lart daytimelifeingeneral |
| 09:04.19 | infobot | takes a large goose feather pillow and swings it wildly in daytimelifeingeneral's direction, hitting daytimelifeingeneral and sending daytimelifeingeneral flying into the closet |
| 09:04.33 | crashanddie | ok |
| 09:04.38 | lcuk | feels better now |
| 09:04.42 | crashanddie | now that I'm done with studying |
| 09:04.50 | crashanddie | I need to get my CV done, and start spamming recruiters |
| 09:05.39 | lcuk | 2008-~: faffed about in irc |
| 09:06.49 | crashanddie | hmm |
| 09:06.49 | lcuk | crashanddie, :) you have a degree, you have experience and examples available. you are free to roam where you need to :) best of luck |
| 09:07.00 | crashanddie | 1994 - current, IRC is my life |
| 09:08.02 | crashanddie | lcuk, if I didn't know better, I'd almost say "likewise lcuk" |
| 09:09.20 | lcuk | and i'd almost agree with you |
| 09:09.50 | lcuk | anyway, i only bobbed in to moan about my day so far, back later |
| 09:10.25 | anders_ | crashanddie: What kind of job are you looking for? |
| 09:10.49 | crashanddie | anders_, development |
| 09:11.02 | crashanddie | anders_, in a perfect world, I'd say in the mobile computing industry |
| 09:11.18 | hrw | 2/wii crashanddie |
| 09:11.23 | crashanddie | anders_, but as long as it's challenging, cutting edge, and in the UK, I'll take it |
| 09:12.20 | anders_ | crashanddie: Too bad it has to be in the UK. |
| 09:12.29 | hrw | crashanddie: which kind of job? |
| 09:13.01 | crashanddie | anders_, well, I'm in France, and planned to move to the UK |
| 09:13.08 | crashanddie | anders_, so the UK would be awesome |
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| 09:16.22 | gomiam | erm.... does anybody have an idea about why Diablo would sometimes fail at network detection on my N800? |
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| 09:22.48 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody want to write up a little more about Extras? http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras |
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| 09:28.00 | RST38h | GA: Editing |
| 09:29.15 | X-Fade | btw, how can I see who registered this channel? ;) |
| 09:29.36 | X-Fade | Or at least who can get ops :) |
| 09:30.30 | towo | /msg chanserv access #maemo list |
| 09:31.00 | towo | (Why am I not surprised to find c0ffee on there.) |
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| 09:31.45 | X-Fade | A florian is in that list too, right? |
| 09:32.03 | X-Fade | s/A/Ah,/ |
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| 09:34.39 | X-Fade | ~seen florian |
| 09:34.43 | infobot | florian <n=fuchs@f048033116.adsl.alicedsl.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 10h 52m 52s ago, saying: 'right, try to flash a new image first'. |
| 09:35.05 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, I've got a staffer you can talk to if you want. |
| 09:35.36 | X-Fade | I see a lot of names in there that don't come here anymore.. |
| 09:35.56 | X-Fade | So perhaps it is good to add some more current accounts.. |
| 09:36.15 | GeneralAntilles | Do you have access? |
| 09:36.23 | X-Fade | No. |
| 09:36.39 | GeneralAntilles | I nominate you for founder access if you can get it. ;) |
| 09:36.53 | GeneralAntilles | hand out another dozen or so op-access? |
| 09:37.18 | GeneralAntilles | I mean, not that the channel actually needs ops. |
| 09:37.32 | GeneralAntilles | But it'd be nice to kick the spammers we seem to get every few weeks or so. |
| 09:37.54 | hrw | *!n=tk@*.adsl.netsonic.fi entry in #maemo access is big hole... |
| 09:38.23 | hrw | anyone with net from that ISP can get op here... |
| 09:38.45 | crashanddie | no |
| 09:38.46 | X-Fade | True. |
| 09:38.53 | X-Fade | There is no name registered there. |
| 09:39.35 | hrw | we had such situation on #openzaurus |
| 09:39.36 | crashanddie | you need to be authed, and have tk as identd :P |
| 09:39.58 | X-Fade | Well that is not hard.. |
| 09:40.14 | crashanddie | ~seen me |
| 09:40.15 | infobot | me <n=me@89.243.150.148> was last seen on IRC in channel #kde, 4d 16h 29m 31s ago, saying: 'whatsup?'. |
| 09:40.24 | crashanddie | holy |
| 09:41.35 | RST38h | GA: I edited it a little bit. Also, I think we should remove Quim Gil quote from there |
| 09:41.56 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, with you there. |
| 09:42.00 | GeneralAntilles | removing |
| 09:42.15 | crashanddie | QG quote ? |
| 09:42.33 | GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Extras&oldid=3634 |
| 09:42.42 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, remember to login. :P |
| 09:43.41 | RST38h | GA: BTW, Chinook Extras .install link is a dummy right now |
| 09:44.05 | RST38h | If there is a real one, put its URL there (I do not know the URL) |
| 09:44.43 | GeneralAntilles | I think the Chinook Extras issue is covered well enough at the end of the link. |
| 09:44.52 | GeneralAntilles | No need to dupe it onto the Extras page. |
| 09:45.16 | RST38h | mmm...maybe |
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| 09:45.33 | RST38h | I just think that 90% of people will never follow the link and will go and complain onITT instead |
| 09:45.49 | crashanddie | probably true, yeah |
| 09:46.17 | RST38h | I will make a little change to the page though |
| 09:48.03 | RST38h | Done |
| 09:48.23 | GeneralAntilles | How about: "Note that there is currently (July 08) a minor problem with Diablo Extras. Fortunately, most Chinook application packages will run without a glitch on Diablo, so you should use Chinook Extras until proper Diablo Extras repository comes online. ''See the Diablo Extras section of [[Upgrading tablet OS#Diabo_Extras|upgrading tablet OS]] for instructions.''" ? |
| 09:48.48 | RST38h | Yep, this should also do the job |
| 09:57.02 | GeneralAntilles | OK, updated: https://wiki.maemo.org/Upgrading_tablet_OS#Diablo_Extras and revised: https://wiki.maemo.org/Extras |
| 09:57.04 | GeneralAntilles | Thanks, RST38h! |
| 09:59.07 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, you want that staffer? |
| 09:59.26 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Sure. |
| 10:00.38 | melmoth | hi there X-Fade |
| 10:00.53 | melmoth | looks like the beahviour is the same on chinook builder: |
| 10:00.56 | melmoth | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/s/sword/ |
| 10:02.26 | GeneralAntilles | slaps milhouse with a trout. |
| 10:02.29 | GeneralAntilles | Sign your comments. :P |
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| 10:12.19 | gomiam | . |
| 10:17.08 | hrw | .. gomiam |
| 10:17.28 | gomiam | XD |
| 10:17.42 | gomiam | I was checking my local alias wrapper worked correctly |
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| 10:19.14 | *** topic/#maemo by dneary -> Diablo Released | http://maemo.org | http://freedesktop.org/Software/sbox2/Maemo | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | http://www.gronmayer.com/it | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook | http://www.archive.org/details/QuimGil-MaemoLinuxtag2008Update | https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | https://wiki.maemo.org/maemo.org_logo_contest | Help fix the Wiki Page of the day: July 1st: "USB networking" https://wiki.maemo.org/USB_n |
| 10:19.24 | *** topic/#maemo by dneary -> Diablo Released | http://maemo.org | http://freedesktop.org/Software/sbox2/Maemo | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | http://www.gronmayer.com/it | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook | http://www.archive.org/details/QuimGil-MaemoLinuxtag2008Update | https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | https://wiki.maemo.org/maemo.org_logo_contest | Help fix the Wiki Page of the day: July 1st: https://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking |
| 10:19.40 | GeneralAntilles | dneary, like the turnaround on Root access? ;) |
| 10:19.48 | dneary | GeneralAntilles: Ineded :) |
| 10:19.51 | dneary | Thank you! |
| 10:20.01 | dneary | I spotted that you did (almost) all the work on that one |
| 10:20.40 | GeneralAntilles | Mostly asking if I should delete parts in here, getting positive replies and deleting them. :D |
| 10:21.01 | macoute | how about adding some more lines to topic so that we could even have more text in topic which we cant see easily? |
| 10:21.31 | GeneralAntilles | macoute, /topic |
| 10:21.43 | macoute | GeneralAntilles: i know that one, but is it handy? :P |
| 10:22.02 | dneary | I agree with macoute |
| 10:22.07 | dneary | We need to clean out the topic |
| 10:22.19 | dneary | OK - let's clean out Quim's LinuxTag update |
| 10:22.32 | macoute | my irssi on fullscreen stops topic in maemo-irclog-link |
| 10:22.41 | GeneralAntilles | You can probably dump the freedesktop.org link. |
| 10:23.06 | GeneralAntilles | Hopefully the dns for timeless's like will be in place soon, so that will be getting smaller. |
| 10:24.03 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I filled in the form to become a channel contact, let's see if that helps. |
| 10:24.03 | GeneralAntilles | Hey, can we talk anybody into forking becomeroot or something and taking responsibility for packaging it and uploading it to Extras? |
| 10:24.49 | GeneralAntilles | As the becomeroot developer seems to be disappeared and ag2 of nitapps.com doesn't seem to want to upload to Extras. |
| 10:24.54 | *** topic/#maemo by dneary -> Diablo Released! | http://maemo.org | IRC logs: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Extra packages: http://www.gronmayer.com/it | Maemo Summit: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | Create the new maemo.org logo: https://wiki.maemo.org/maemo.org_logo_contest | Help fix the Wiki Page of the day: July 1st: https://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking |
| 10:25.08 | dneary | Is there a bot we can teach factoids to? |
| 10:25.19 | GeneralAntilles | infobot, hi |
| 10:25.19 | infobot | hello, generalantilles |
| 10:25.26 | towo | Well now. My N810 has beet sitting at Nokia for almost a month now.. |
| 10:25.30 | dneary | The IRC logs, FAQ and package repository lists could go there |
| 10:25.31 | GeneralAntilles | ~dneary is the maemo.org docmaster |
| 10:25.31 | infobot | GeneralAntilles: okay |
| 10:25.36 | towo | Not really convincing. |
| 10:25.38 | GeneralAntilles | ~dneary |
| 10:25.39 | infobot | i guess dneary is the maemo.org docmaster |
| 10:26.19 | GeneralAntilles | _monkey was a better factoid bot |
| 10:26.21 | GeneralAntilles | but he's dead. :( |
| 10:26.37 | GeneralAntilles | infobot collides with a lot of other channels. |
| 10:26.38 | dneary | ~logs is IRC channels are logged at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog |
| 10:26.39 | infobot | ...but logs is already something else... |
| 10:26.42 | GeneralAntilles | So you get stuff like |
| 10:26.43 | GeneralAntilles | er, yeah |
| 10:26.44 | GeneralAntilles | like that |
| 10:26.45 | dneary | ~logs |
| 10:26.46 | infobot | rumour has it, logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 10:26.47 | GeneralAntilles | and ~Root |
| 10:26.55 | GeneralAntilles | ~root |
| 10:26.56 | infobot | root is, like, not a Good Thing to use when using IRC. Please use a different account. |
| 10:27.19 | dneary | ~maemo-logs |
| 10:27.21 | hrw | guys - *remember* that infobot is not only #maemo |
| 10:27.36 | GeneralAntilles | We could really use a real maemo bot. |
| 10:27.42 | dneary | hrw: I didn't know infobot before 2 minutes ago - how could I remember? ;) |
| 10:27.54 | hrw | ~infobot |
| 10:27.54 | infobot | hrw, I love abuse, feed me!, or an interactive bot that can learn all sorts of information (http://www.infobot.org/) |
| 10:28.16 | hrw | ~emulate hrw |
| 10:28.17 | infobot | ACTION I cannot be emulated |
| 10:28.21 | dneary | ~maemo-logs is IRC channels are logged at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog |
| 10:28.22 | infobot | okay, dneary |
| 10:28.28 | dneary | Thanks infobot |
| 10:28.40 | GeneralAntilles | I want a bugzilla bot for #maemo-bugs |
| 10:28.59 | *** topic/#maemo by dneary -> Diablo Released! | http://maemo.org | Extra repositories: http://www.gronmayer.com/it | Maemo Summit: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | Create the new maemo.org logo: https://wiki.maemo.org/maemo.org_logo_contest | Help fix the Wiki Page of the day: July 1st: https://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking |
| 10:29.20 | GeneralAntilles | Actually, I'm in favor of removing gronmayer. |
| 10:29.22 | Naked | w0t! diablo released? |
| 10:29.24 | hrw | GeneralAntilles: talk with CoreDump - his cdbot handle OpenEmbedded bugzilla and did Openmoko bugzilla |
| 10:31.02 | GeneralAntilles | A good, actively maintained supybot install would solve our bot issues pretty well. |
| 10:32.10 | X-Fade | dneary: Can you please stop crossposting between multiple lists? |
| 10:32.32 | dneary | It seemed appropriate for the wiki page of the day to go to both user & developer lists... |
| 10:32.39 | X-Fade | dneary: If you must post to 2 lists, please to that in 2 separate mails. |
| 10:32.57 | dneary | Really? But then replies will only go to one of the lists |
| 10:33.10 | X-Fade | Yes. that is the point. |
| 10:33.16 | X-Fade | Crossposting is evil.; |
| 10:33.21 | hrw | and some replies will get lost then |
| 10:33.27 | dneary | In general, of course, I agree with you, but I'm working on the assumption that lots of people on -developers are not on -users |
| 10:33.37 | dneary | I think we're likely in the majority, us two |
| 10:33.40 | hrw | I avoid any -users list |
| 10:33.44 | dneary | s/majority/minority |
| 10:33.55 | towo | Generally quite correct, since -users expands to "oh my I can't read the faq" |
| 10:34.02 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 10:34.19 | GeneralAntilles | or "I have all these stupid assumptions about how stuff works and how I think things should work, let me rant about it for 3 pages" |
| 10:34.20 | towo | (This is invariant of the actual project involved.) |
| 10:34.42 | GeneralAntilles | (assumptions that usually have very little to do with reality) |
| 10:35.25 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: Leave the poor users alone, without them what would we all have to complain about? ;) |
| 10:35.40 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia. *g* |
| 10:36.07 | lardman | yeah, good point :) |
| 10:36.09 | towo | Which we generally do quite loudly. |
| 10:36.11 | dneary | hehehe - wild mice: http://flickr.com/photos/fizzlefish/2323314453/ |
| 10:36.43 | lardman | ~lart WinXP for copy&paste not working any more |
| 10:36.43 | infobot | gives WinXP a "free" copy of Windows and then charges double for "Upgrades" for copy&paste not working any more |
| 10:36.57 | lardman | inspired choice of insult infobot :) |
| 10:37.02 | dneary | Indeed :) |
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| 10:40.59 | GeneralAntilles | Who wants to object to my politically-motivated move to remove gronmayer from the topic? |
| 10:41.26 | towo | -users. |
| 10:41.50 | GeneralAntilles | ~gronmayer is a Maemo repository indexer located at http://www.gronmayer.com/it |
| 10:41.51 | infobot | ...but gronmayer is already something else... |
| 10:41.56 | GeneralAntilles | ~gronmayer |
| 10:41.57 | infobot | it has been said that gronmayer is an index of maemo/ITOS repositories http://gronmayer.com/it |
| 10:42.09 | GeneralAntilles | ~no gronmayer is a Maemo repository indexer located at http://www.gronmayer.com/it |
| 10:42.10 | infobot | okay, GeneralAntilles |
| 10:42.19 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: pilotically motivated why? |
| 10:42.28 | aquatix | *politically |
| 10:42.32 | GeneralAntilles | Because non-Extras repositories mostly need to die. ;) |
| 10:42.39 | aquatix | ah :) |
| 10:42.41 | GeneralAntilles | and gronmayer helps keep them in business. |
| 10:43.01 | aquatix | fair enough |
| 10:43.09 | aquatix | doesn't object |
| 10:44.47 | Jaffa | die++ |
| 10:46.26 | *** topic/#maemo by GeneralAntilles -> Diablo Released! | http://maemo.org | Maemo Summit: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | Create the new maemo.org logo: https://wiki.maemo.org/maemo.org_logo_contest | Help fix the Wiki Page of the day: July 1st: https://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking |
| 10:46.29 | GeneralAntilles | So be it. |
| 10:46.53 | hrw | it can be even improved |
| 10:47.20 | hrw | create http://wiki.maemo.org/Wiki_Page_of_the_day page and list in topic |
| 10:48.05 | GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Category:Wiki_Page_of_the_day |
| 10:48.09 | GeneralAntilles | Er |
| 10:48.16 | GeneralAntilles | There WAS a category there. |
| 10:48.37 | GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Category:Wiki_page_of_the_day |
| 10:48.38 | GeneralAntilles | Ah |
| 10:49.07 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: Are there plans to change the wiki link on the main page to point to the new wiki directly? |
| 10:50.07 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, it was discussed yesterday, I believe. |
| 10:50.15 | GeneralAntilles | In dneary's hands, I think. |
| 10:50.21 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: ok, I'll have a look at the log |
| 10:50.46 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: Also, is there a HowTo about importing from the old to the new? I need to import the DSP Programming page |
| 10:51.10 | GeneralAntilles | Move it, change the syntax to mediawiki |
| 10:51.28 | GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemowiki_Action_Group#Midgard_migration |
| 10:51.56 | lardman | hmm, no copy & paste |
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| 10:51.59 | lardman | let me restart |
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| 10:52.45 | lardman | that's better |
| 10:53.26 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: Regarding the syntax, you pointed me at a wikipedia page last time, is this still where to look? |
| 10:53.40 | GeneralAntilles | The wikipedia cheatsheet. |
| 10:53.47 | GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cheatsheet |
| 10:54.05 | lardman | cool, thanks |
| 10:54.37 | GeneralAntilles | Just keep hitting preview until it looks right. ;) |
| 10:55.01 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: hmm, I'd prefer to write once and forget :) |
| 10:56.40 | X-Fade | Did anybody try the new fennec milestone? http://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Fennec/Releases |
| 10:57.57 | GeneralAntilles | There's a thread on itT |
| 10:58.01 | GeneralAntilles | It seems to be mostly unusable. |
| 10:58.08 | Jaffa | ITT? ;-) |
| 10:58.09 | melmoth | X-Fade: hola. |
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| 10:58.41 | X-Fade | melmoth: Hi.. |
| 10:58.41 | melmoth | X-Fade: remember the sword issue on autobuilder ? The problem also occurs on the chinook extra-devel autobuilder. |
| 10:59.08 | melmoth | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/s/sword/ |
| 10:59.12 | X-Fade | melmoth: Hmm ok let me check. |
| 10:59.13 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, they seem to have gotten it installed at least. :D |
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| 11:07.39 | X-Fade | Jaffa: You might want to check dpkg-genbuilddeps |
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| 11:08.51 | GeneralAntilles | Ooh, X-Fade, maemo.org cloaks? :D |
| 11:09.14 | X-Fade | Hehe. |
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| 11:19.04 | Jaffa | X-Fade: ta |
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| 11:41.42 | lardman | Slightly OT, but what does it mean when I see "Servicing ident request from xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx" (replace xxx with some IP address) at the bottom of my screen? |
| 11:43.01 | aquatix | that ip requested your ident |
| 11:43.13 | aquatix | generally, irc networks do so |
| 11:43.35 | lardman | aquatix: ah, so it would be another client, or could it be from outside? |
| 11:43.43 | aquatix | both |
| 11:43.59 | aquatix | :) |
| 11:44.13 | lardman | aquatix: Cool, as it comes from my uni network, I was wondering what was going on |
| 11:44.41 | aquatix | ah, might be someone running ident requests to all ip's he/she can find |
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| 11:46.26 | ``Cube | hello, I'd like to participate in the logo contest but have a question |
| 11:46.55 | ``Cube | I know I should ask to ask, but is anyone active here? |
| 11:47.47 | lardman | ``Cube: ask away |
| 11:48.14 | ``Cube | lardman: I'm 15 ;) when I win, will I be able to receive the price? |
| 11:48.39 | lardman | ``Cube: Was it a) alcoholic b) involving strip clubs? |
| 11:48.52 | lardman | If neither of the above, then I guess so :) |
| 11:48.53 | aquatix | it isn't? |
| 11:48.57 | ``Cube | hahaha :D that logo? |
| 11:49.23 | ``Cube | uhh, mdk is offline |
| 11:49.40 | lardman | ``Cube: Probably best to ask in the therad on ITT unless someone like X-Fade knows? |
| 11:49.52 | GeneralAntilles | It was answered on the talk page a while ago. |
| 11:50.07 | ``Cube | really? may I have the link, GeneralAntilles? |
| 11:51.28 | GeneralAntilles | I can't find it |
| 11:51.36 | GeneralAntilles | dneary or somebody deleted it for some reason, I think. |
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| 11:51.47 | GeneralAntilles | The issue is not Nokia-side, anyway. |
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| 11:52.07 | GeneralAntilles | There are no problems from them awarding it to an underaged participant. |
| 11:52.17 | X-Fade | ``Cube: You can enter, but the flight might be a problem. |
| 11:52.29 | X-Fade | ``Cube: As you are probably not allowed to fly by yourself. |
| 11:52.42 | GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Maemo.org_logo_contest |
| 11:52.45 | GeneralAntilles | It's somewhere in the history there. |
| 11:52.55 | lardman | forgot about the flight part |
| 11:53.02 | ``Cube | yea, searching the whole site now :) |
| 11:53.36 | GeneralAntilles | You wont find it in the search |
| 11:53.40 | ``Cube | you people mean this? |
| 11:53.41 | GeneralAntilles | Gotta hit the page history for that talk page. |
| 11:53.43 | ``Cube | not searching |
| 11:53.47 | ``Cube | searching with my eyes |
| 11:53.51 | ``Cube | "No age restrictions apply to submission, but some prizes may not be feasible for underage contestants. " |
| 11:53.58 | ``Cube | I knew that, but I wanted more information |
| 11:54.01 | ``Cube | "not feasible" |
| 11:54.03 | GeneralAntilles | The issue would be with the airlines. |
| 11:54.06 | GeneralAntilles | and maybe your parents. |
| 11:54.26 | lardman | Airlines always used to take underage passengers |
| 11:54.35 | ``Cube | alright, but not with the tablet? |
| 11:54.42 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, it shouldn't be a problem, lardman. |
| 11:54.46 | GeneralAntilles | But no telling these days. |
| 11:54.58 | GeneralAntilles | ``Cube, there are no age-issues Nokia-side. |
| 11:55.14 | ``Cube | eh, there is one submission making the whole effort useless, it's just perfect in any csae |
| 11:55.16 | ``Cube | *case |
| 11:56.46 | lardman | Where are these submissions displayed? |
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| 11:56.59 | ``Cube | yea |
| 11:57.09 | ``Cube | that's plain stupid, sorry for offending someone |
| 11:57.58 | GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Maemo.org_logo_contest |
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| 11:59.09 | lardman | ``Cube: http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Maemo.org_logo_contest#Submitting_entries see the comment by qgil |
| 11:59.33 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: I was meaning the submitted ones, but I guess they won't be shown in case someone copies them, etc |
| 12:00.55 | ``Cube | lardman|lunch: umm, which? |
| 12:01.01 | GeneralAntilles | lardman|lunch, huh? |
| 12:01.18 | ``Cube | he confused us and espaced |
| 12:01.32 | lcuk_wrk | calls an airstrike to gps coords [me] + 3 metres to the right |
| 12:01.38 | lardman|lunch | Am still here just about |
| 12:01.44 | ``Cube | aight |
| 12:01.46 | lcuk_wrk | hi lardman |
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| 12:01.54 | lardman|lunch | GeneralAntilles: I wanted to see the sumbitted entries |
| 12:01.59 | lardman|lunch | hi lcuk_wrk |
| 12:02.03 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 12:02.16 | GeneralAntilles | lardman|lunch, my clipboard was being slow. |
| 12:02.17 | GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_logo_contest_submissions |
| 12:02.18 | lardman|lunch | GeneralAntilles: I have no intention of sumbitting one, so it was an innocent mistake |
| 12:02.25 | GeneralAntilles | Tried to paste that, but was too fast for my own good. ;) |
| 12:02.59 | lardman|lunch | oh, they are available, cool |
| 12:03.35 | lcuk_wrk | wonders if military lasers can be hacked and controlled |
| 12:03.49 | lardman|lunch | ``Cube: There's a comment from qgil at the top of the section that that link brings you to |
| 12:04.08 | ``Cube | ah, alright |
| 12:04.25 | Andy80 | hi all |
| 12:04.34 | lardman|lunch | Really off to lunch now, bbl |
| 12:04.50 | GeneralAntilles | Another rainy day. |
| 12:05.07 | aquatix | lcuk_wrk: your right or mine? |
| 12:05.23 | ``Cube | ye see you! |
| 12:05.37 | lcuk_wrk | aquatix, i can upload a photo from my 810 to clarify location of annoying cow orker |
| 12:06.04 | aquatix | lcuk_wrk: sure |
| 12:06.21 | aquatix | loves that default typo btw |
| 12:06.46 | lcuk_wrk | oh sorry, my mistake, i meant annoying wanker |
| 12:06.58 | GeneralAntilles | Damnable cow orkers |
| 12:07.54 | lcuk_wrk | facepalms |
| 12:08.11 | lcuk_wrk | beam me up, scotty |
| 12:08.20 | aquatix | beams railgun down |
| 12:08.30 | lcuk_wrk | :D bonus |
| 12:08.32 | aquatix | will that do? |
| 12:09.04 | lcuk_wrk | already sorted :) i think it will be a peaceful afternoon |
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| 12:09.13 | aquatix | yay |
| 12:09.22 | aquatix | is getting cooked |
| 12:09.30 | aquatix | offices should have mandatory airco |
| 12:09.38 | pekuja | yes |
| 12:09.46 | pekuja | mandatory powerful AC |
| 12:09.52 | lcuk_wrk | agreed totally aquatix |
| 12:09.59 | aquatix | i think it's at least 22 or 23C |
| 12:10.11 | aquatix | not *that* warm, but sleep-inducing warm |
| 12:10.24 | aquatix | no, i think it's even warmer than that |
| 12:10.33 | pekuja | we have AC here but it can't quite handle the 6 or so computers we have here in this small office (two-person office) |
| 12:10.41 | aquatix | doesn't the n810 have an ambient temp sensor or something? ;) |
| 12:10.46 | GeneralAntilles | They do over here. ;) |
| 12:10.51 | pekuja | (the room, that is, not the whole office space) |
| 12:10.56 | X-Fade | aquatix: Yes, in the lcd. |
| 12:11.14 | aquatix | X-Fade: no kidding |
| 12:11.15 | aquatix | ? |
| 12:11.21 | aquatix | looks in /sys |
| 12:11.24 | X-Fade | No. not kidding. |
| 12:11.24 | aquatix | or wherever |
| 12:11.33 | X-Fade | And probably in the battery too. |
| 12:12.14 | GeneralAntilles | nitapps.com has a temperature program |
| 12:12.19 | GeneralAntilles | Khertan put up a home applet. |
| 12:12.59 | lcuk_wrk | aquatix, push for your boss to let you work from the park down the road. get wireless connection |
| 12:13.49 | aquatix | i *think* my navy boss won't like that |
| 12:14.01 | lcuk_wrk | :D waterproof laptop |
| 12:14.23 | lcuk_wrk | get an asus blub blub blub |
| 12:16.57 | aquatix | more like `what about the secure intranet?' |
| 12:17.10 | aquatix | wifi isn't compatible with that concept ;) |
| 12:19.43 | lcuk_wrk | aquatix, get them to build you a secure park with hardwired on the roof |
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| 12:20.52 | lbt | aquatix: vpn over wifi |
| 12:20.56 | |tbb| | hi all, |
| 12:21.13 | aquatix | lcuk_wrk: hm :) |
| 12:21.26 | |tbb| | is there a module available to use nat on n810 |
| 12:21.26 | aquatix | but i somehow guess that's even warmer in the sun |
| 12:21.29 | lcuk_wrk | lbt, secure data should not be transmitted over wireless links if i understand correctly |
| 12:21.47 | lbt | lcuk_wrk: it's ok if it's in a secure tunnel |
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| 12:21.58 | aquatix | a Really Secure VPN(tm) might suffice |
| 12:22.03 | aquatix | not sure :) |
| 12:22.05 | lcuk_wrk | not really, eaves droppers could capture packets and work offline |
| 12:22.20 | lbt | doesn't matter |
| 12:22.33 | lcuk_wrk | it might take 1000 years to decrypt, but thats still less than having a totally secure wired lan |
| 12:22.34 | lbt | same goes for any VPN/tunnel over the internet |
| 12:22.45 | aquatix | lbt: indeed |
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| 12:22.46 | lbt | ha-ha |
| 12:23.02 | lbt | just how hard is it to get into your building and tap the LAN? |
| 12:23.07 | aquatix | except that our intranet is seperate from the internet of course |
| 12:23.10 | lbt | could I do it in <1000yrs? |
| 12:23.10 | lcuk_wrk | its military |
| 12:23.15 | lbt | could I do it in <1000yrs? |
| 12:23.24 | aquatix | lbt: if you have a smart card and look innocent :) |
| 12:23.30 | aquatix | should shut up |
| 12:23.31 | lbt | indeed... |
| 12:23.52 | aquatix | then again, you will have to have rights and log in |
| 12:24.11 | lbt | so kidnap someone's family, then what? |
| 12:24.19 | lcuk_wrk | anyway aquatix :) you already said navy, theres no parks in the centre of the atlantic |
| 12:24.30 | aquatix | lcuk_wrk: thankfully i don't work there ;) |
| 12:24.33 | lcuk_wrk | entire convo is moot |
| 12:24.38 | lbt | but diving cools you down |
| 12:24.41 | aquatix | is just a lousy government worker |
| 12:24.54 | aquatix | in an office at the harbour |
| 12:24.54 | lcuk_wrk | with access to railguns |
| 12:24.59 | aquatix | lcuk_wrk: ha, i wish |
| 12:25.10 | lcuk_wrk | :D water pistols? |
| 12:25.16 | lcuk_wrk | :S nerf guns? |
| 12:25.24 | aquatix | something like that :) |
| 12:25.32 | aquatix | and the software of the ships |
| 12:25.35 | aquatix | </info> |
| 12:25.36 | aquatix | ;) |
| 12:25.37 | lcuk_wrk | :( wet paper towels |
| 12:25.39 | aquatix | ghehe |
| 12:26.17 | lcuk_wrk | why does this remind me of slashdot http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Maemo.org_logo_contest_shivankan_04.png |
| 12:26.25 | aquatix | we thought about getting nerf guns just a few days ago |
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| 12:26.48 | lcuk_wrk | you should search for the great office war |
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| 12:27.58 | aquatix | lcuk_wrk: what do you think induced that idea? ;) |
| 12:28.06 | aquatix | about us getting nerf guns ;) |
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| 12:29.00 | lcuk_wrk | :D |
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| 12:31.57 | lcuk_wrk | gets back to (peaceful) work |
| 12:32.06 | lcuk_wrk | back later |
| 12:32.42 | aquatix | hey, doing peaceful work too! |
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| 12:32.54 | aquatix | peacefully irc'ing and researching some stuff |
| 12:33.28 | |tbb| | where are the logfiles of this channel stored? |
| 12:33.39 | GeneralAntilles | ~maemo-log |
| 12:33.46 | GeneralAntilles | ~maemo-irclog |
| 12:33.54 | GeneralAntilles | Infobot! |
| 12:34.02 | GeneralAntilles | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ |
| 12:34.02 | X-Fade | ~logs |
| 12:34.03 | infobot | hmm... logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 12:34.06 | inz | google://maemo irc log |
| 12:34.13 | |tbb| | thx |
| 12:34.37 | GeneralAntilles | ~maemo-logs |
| 12:34.37 | infobot | somebody said maemo-logs was IRC channels are logged at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog |
| 12:34.47 | |tbb| | GeneralAntilles: do u know if there is a module available to use nat on n8x0 |
| 12:35.10 | mgedmin | the /topic used to have a link to the irc logs |
| 12:35.15 | mgedmin | I always found that convenient |
| 12:35.19 | GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, it was removed to save space. |
| 12:35.41 | GeneralAntilles | Oh, and mgedmin, belated and much-deserved thanks for those. :) |
| 12:38.59 | Jaffa | mgedmin: extras-devel should now have netcat in it, btw |
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| 12:39.07 | mgedmin | good |
| 12:39.16 | aquatix | hm, i should get nmap on my n810 |
| 12:39.16 | mgedmin | why did I want it? oh, to connect to localhost:gpsd |
| 12:39.52 | mgedmin | built a binary deb of xchat for diablo from skyhusker's svn repository, but is having some troubles producing a source package |
| 12:40.25 | GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, you planning on picking up XChat moving forward? |
| 12:40.57 | mgedmin | I asked for permission to upload it to extras, yes |
| 12:40.58 | X-Fade | mgedmin: Did you just try dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -sa -S |
| 12:41.02 | X-Fade | ? |
| 12:41.19 | mgedmin | yes |
| 12:41.29 | X-Fade | And it fails? |
| 12:41.33 | mgedmin | right |
| 12:42.06 | mgedmin | some quilt metadata (?) interferes with dpkg-buildsource |
| 12:42.33 | mgedmin | I know the workaround (rm -rf .pc), just haven't tried it yet |
| 12:42.41 | mgedmin | rm -rf .svn would also be advised, I guess |
| 12:45.34 | Jaffa | mgedmin: try dpkg-buildpackage ... -i (ignores lots of stuff incl. .svn) |
| 12:46.13 | mgedmin | nope, tar: xchat-maemo/.pc/debian.patch/debian/xchat-locale-cs.install: Cannot open: Permission denied |
| 12:46.20 | mgedmin | that's the quilt metadata, I think |
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| 12:46.30 | |tbb| | johnx: are you around? |
| 12:46.40 | johnx | |tbb|, yup |
| 12:46.50 | |tbb| | long time ;) |
| 12:47.08 | johnx | yeah, I've been out in the real world a lot this last week |
| 12:47.14 | johnx | what's up? |
| 12:47.18 | |tbb| | ive seen you have talked about iptables with nat support |
| 12:47.21 | mgedmin | Jaffa: -I.pc helped |
| 12:47.32 | |tbb| | do you had compiled it? |
| 12:47.46 | johnx | |tbb|, nope, but I'm sure I saw the modules somewhere |
| 12:47.53 | johnx | I've never used it though |
| 12:48.10 | johnx | |tbb|, do you have scratchbox? |
| 12:48.20 | |tbb| | nope ;( |
| 12:48.29 | johnx | nows the time :) |
| 12:48.40 | mgedmin | heh, google lucky search for "autobuilder" doesn't give me the maemo one for some reason |
| 12:49.03 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 12:49.26 | mgedmin | besides, I probably want extras-assistant |
| 12:50.00 | |tbb| | im looking for it but i havent found it. but what makes me a little bit confuse is, if i look into the application manager ive seen under installed packages iptables (info says administration tools for packet filtering and NAT?) |
| 12:50.50 | johnx | |tbb|, that's probably the userspace config tool |
| 12:50.50 | |tbb| | but iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i wlan0 -p end in errors |
| 12:52.24 | Jaffa | X-Fade: ta for the dpkg-genbuilddeps pointer, just testing with mud using dpkg-depcheck to auto-calculate Build-Depends |
| 12:52.26 | mgedmin | tbb, what errors? |
| 12:52.32 | mgedmin | perhaps you're missing kernel modules |
| 12:53.08 | X-Fade | Jaffa: That would really help a lot of users. I think that is one of the mayor reasons for build failure atm. |
| 12:54.21 | mgedmin | hm, the .svn files are still there in my tarball |
| 12:55.34 | Jaffa | mgedmin: maybe you need -i and -i.pc? |
| 12:55.43 | GeneralAntilles | Nobody minds terrible much if I move this to Uploading to Extras, do they? https://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_extras |
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| 12:55.52 | mgedmin | what's the diff between -i and -I? |
| 12:55.58 | Jaffa | mgedmin: sorry, -I |
| 12:56.05 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: feel free. Mea culpa. |
| 12:56.31 | GeneralAntilles | Just, for reference, I'm unilaterally deciding that Extras should be capitalized on the wiki. :D |
| 12:56.45 | Jaffa | Sounds good to me :) |
| 12:56.53 | mgedmin | ah, -i is for the diff, -I is for the tarball |
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| 12:59.32 | |tbb| | mgedmin: iptables v1.3.6: cant initalize iptables 'nat': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?) |
| 13:00.11 | |tbb| | johnx what do u mean? |
| 13:00.14 | mgedmin | hm... is there modprobe on the tablet? |
| 13:00.15 | mgedmin | iirc no |
| 13:00.35 | johnx | |tbb|, I mean you still need the modules |
| 13:00.51 | |tbb| | modprobe is there |
| 13:01.03 | mgedmin | what about modinfo? |
| 13:01.05 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, added the page to here: https://wiki.maemo.org/Extras |
| 13:01.15 | mgedmin | can 'modinfo iptable-nat' find that module? |
| 13:01.56 | |tbb| | modinfo not on the tablet available |
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| 13:03.13 | |tbb| | still confused why the installed package said (supports NAT) |
| 13:04.10 | johnx | |tbb|, iptables is *two* things. a config tool /sbin/iptables and some kernel modules including iptables.ko |
| 13:04.31 | johnx | you are missing some or all of the kernel modules |
| 13:05.59 | |tbb| | johnx do u have an diabolo enviroment |
| 13:06.09 | johnx | |tbb|, I have diablo, but not scratchbox |
| 13:06.10 | mgedmin | there are also iptables plugins in /lib/iptables |
| 13:06.22 | mgedmin | but these usually come in the same package as /sbin/iptables |
| 13:07.05 | johnx | actually, I can run scratchbox in a couple minutes after I reboot into a kernel with vdso_compat |
| 13:07.09 | johnx | back in a minute |
| 13:08.24 | Jaffa | Gah, #3354 is *killing* me |
| 13:08.45 | mgedmin | hm, if the Maemo port of X-Chat was made by Alberto Garcia Hierro, but I'm the person who last tweaked the build-deps and uploaded it ot extras, what should I put in the Maintainer field in debian/control? |
| 13:09.15 | aquatix | `Taking over package, mwuhahaha!'? |
| 13:09.17 | aquatix | runs |
| 13:09.59 | Jaffa | mgedmin: if you're not actively maintaining the package itself, you're supposed to put yourself in "Uploaders" rather than "Maintainers" (well, in Debian and Ubuntu, at least) |
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| 13:13.53 | mgedmin | Jaffa: one way to find out build-deps you can 'grep PKG_CHECK_MODULES configure.in' |
| 13:14.06 | mgedmin | and then look for similar package names |
| 13:14.16 | mgedmin | e.g. dbus-glib-1 becomes libdbus-glib-1-dev |
| 13:15.02 | Jaffa | mgedmin: dpkg-depcheck seems even better - just used it to pick up the missing libncurses5-dev Build-Depends from vim. mud r234 now contains the code to auto-determine them if you've not set them explicitly. |
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| 13:15.25 | Jaffa | Of course, I can't upload my updated vim package as ssh on garage.maemo.org is denying connections at the moment. |
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| 13:15.51 | mgedmin | just successfully used https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php |
| 13:16.51 | Jaffa | Ah, yeah. Could do that for now. Don't like using web-based tools when I want to do "mud upload vim" |
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| 13:18.30 | mgedmin | how do you use dpkg-depcheck? |
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| 13:18.49 | mgedmin | guesses dpkg-depcheck -a dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -B |
| 13:19.00 | Jaffa | dpkg-depcheck -b dpkg-buildpackage -rfa... yeah, pretty much |
| 13:20.53 | hrw | how much time pass since upload to build? |
| 13:21.23 | hrw | I am thinking about uploading Pimlico apps to Extras so OpenedHand repo will be less needed |
| 13:21.42 | mgedmin | Jaffa: that doesn't work in scratchbox for me... |
| 13:21.47 | mgedmin | Can't locate Devscripts/Set.pm in @INC |
| 13:22.03 | Jaffa | mgedmin: hmm, odd - works for me. |
| 13:22.25 | mgedmin | ah, the error ends in at /scratchbox/devkits/debian-etch/bin/dpkg-depcheck line 27. |
| 13:22.48 | mgedmin | maybe I should apt-get install devscripts |
| 13:23.21 | mgedmin | wishes the autobuilder had a buildbot-like status display |
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| 13:23.45 | mgedmin | showing a countdown until the start of a build, showing the currently running build (and wildly inaccurate ETA), letting me read the log while a task is being built |
| 13:23.54 | johnx | heh...disabling vdso is not working so well for me |
| 13:24.05 | hrw | mgedmin: waterfall? |
| 13:24.14 | mgedmin | yes |
| 13:25.39 | Jaffa | mgedmin: yes, absolutely++ |
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| 13:28.33 | hrw | ~curse http://repository.maemo.org for sick ordering |
| 13:28.33 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, http://repository.maemo.org for sick ordering ! |
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| 13:28.58 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 13:29.05 | GeneralAntilles | hrw, you'd think that'd be an easyfix. . . . |
| 13:29.11 | hrw | GeneralAntilles: no |
| 13:29.51 | GeneralAntilles | Just Apache configuration, right? |
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| 13:31.00 | mgedmin | adds to the curse |
| 13:31.09 | hrw | GeneralAntilles: yes |
| 13:31.21 | hrw | I am reporting bug |
| 13:31.40 | johnx | woo! finally back in scratchbox for the first time in months |
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| 13:31.53 | GeneralAntilles | hrw, search first, I think it was reported a while ago. |
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| 13:33.41 | hrw | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3364 |
| 13:34.56 | mgedmin | dpkg-depcheck doesn't collapse transitive dependencies... |
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| 13:35.46 | Jaffa | mgedmin: I thought it was supposed to, reading the docs. Damn. |
| 13:36.13 | mgedmin | I'm pretty sure I don't need to explicitly build-depend on x11proto-render-dev |
| 13:36.16 | Jaffa | mgedmin: what if -m is used (--min-deps) |
| 13:41.01 | X-Fade | hrw: Invitation is in the mail. |
| 13:42.11 | hrw | X-Fade: thx |
| 13:42.29 | hrw | X-Fade: deps are not tracked yet, so first upload deps, then final packages? |
| 13:42.46 | X-Fade | hrw: Yes, otherwise it will fail. |
| 13:43.23 | X-Fade | extras-devel syncs every 10 minutes, so within 10 minutes after a build the dependency is available. |
| 13:43.31 | hrw | ok |
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| 13:45.08 | hrw | X-Fade: where on web I can see extras-devel contents? |
| 13:45.37 | X-Fade | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/ |
| 13:45.52 | mgedmin | Jaffa: -m is much better |
| 13:45.54 | hrw | thx |
| 13:45.57 | X-Fade | just add -devel to the extras url ;) |
| 13:45.58 | mgedmin | only four packages needed |
| 13:46.00 | mgedmin | not sure I trust that |
| 13:46.58 | mgedmin | unless maybe libhildonfm2-dev or libosso-dev pulls in libhildon1-dev |
| 13:47.31 | X-Fade | mgedmin: I wouldn't count on that. |
| 13:47.45 | mgedmin | it does, but yes, I don't want to count on it |
| 13:48.03 | X-Fade | well, not as build-depends at least. |
| 13:48.27 | mgedmin | is there a wiki page about preparing source packages for the autobuilder? |
| 13:48.32 | mgedmin | it should mention dpkg-depcheck |
| 13:48.42 | mgedmin | and the -I option for dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 13:49.54 | mgedmin | xchat build success! |
| 13:49.57 | mgedmin | vim build success! |
| 13:50.13 | Jaffa | Woohoo, vim built :-) |
| 13:50.15 | GeneralAntilles | !! |
| 13:50.27 | X-Fade | mgedmin: You might want to help add that to https://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras |
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| 13:55.07 | mgedmin | updates Uploading_to_Extras |
| 13:55.49 | aquatix | ooh, vim |
| 13:56.28 | Jaffa | Not showing up in my Application Manager yet. |
| 13:57.30 | Jaffa | wonders how long the delay is between autobuilder finishing, and extras-devel updating. |
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| 14:00.53 | mgedmin | resubmits the xchat package for chinook |
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| 14:03.14 | andre__ | garrrr.... so where can i grab the libconic-0.16 code? |
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| 14:03.29 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, fun, PDFs. |
| 14:03.33 | X-Fade | andre__: My guess is, you can't. |
| 14:03.44 | GeneralAntilles | Everything from Adobe seems to break my webbrowser these days. |
| 14:03.49 | hrw | andre__: from pool/diablo/free/libc/libconic/ |
| 14:03.55 | andre__ | but i can get 0.13?! |
| 14:03.55 | hrw | X-Fade: it is open |
| 14:04.06 | hrw | andre__: 0.13 ws in chinook |
| 14:04.07 | X-Fade | Well my FF3 crashes about 10 times a day :( |
| 14:04.10 | hrw | andre__: 0.16 in diablo |
| 14:04.10 | andre__ | thanks |
| 14:04.16 | andre__ | yupp |
| 14:04.27 | GeneralAntilles | Flash and the Acrobat PDF plugin that I can't be arsed to uninstall. |
| 14:04.31 | andre__ | X-Fade, same here. flash issues? ;-) |
| 14:04.53 | X-Fade | No, mostly when switching tabs or pushing the stop button. |
| 14:05.03 | andre__ | hrw: argh, thanks. that one was easy, sigh :) |
| 14:05.12 | X-Fade | I only have 40 tabs orso.. |
| 14:05.44 | GeneralAntilles | Thankfully my browser isn't broken. |
| 14:05.47 | GeneralAntilles | Just Adobe's garbage. :< |
| 14:06.04 | andre__ | X-Fade, file some nice bug reports against your distro :) two months ago the FF guys told me that they are definitely interested in crasher reports from linux |
| 14:06.32 | X-Fade | sees xchat and vim in extras-devel ;) |
| 14:06.34 | aquatix | already submitted some through the Fx crash feedback thingee |
| 14:07.05 | mgedmin | has to use perl /usr/bin/dpkg-depcheck in his chinook target to avoid scratchbox magic from invoking the nonfunctional debian-sarge-devkit version |
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| 14:07.24 | mgedmin | and debhelper too! |
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| 14:08.19 | mgedmin | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/dists/chinook/Release.gpg Could not connect to proxy.dmz:3128 (62.61.88.251). - connect (111 Connection refused) |
| 14:08.31 | mgedmin | ~lart autobuilder |
| 14:08.32 | infobot | rm -rf's autobuilder |
| 14:08.38 | X-Fade | mgedmin: Yeah, lart isp.. |
| 14:08.47 | GeneralAntilles | Urg . . . XChat locale spam. |
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| 14:08.53 | Jaffa | X-Fade: excuses excuses! |
| 14:09.25 | mgedmin | oops, did I just spam the app manager list? |
| 14:09.27 | mgedmin | sorry! |
| 14:09.29 | Jaffa | Yay! vim. Complete with icon! |
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| 14:09.52 | mgedmin | the autobuilder needs a "retry, this wasn't *my* fault" button plz |
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| 14:10.16 | GeneralAntilles | gets rid of his !xchat shortcut. |
| 14:10.16 | aquatix | Jaffa: does it start in a window or something? |
| 14:10.28 | X-Fade | mgedmin: Nah, it just shouldn't have problems like that. |
| 14:10.32 | Jaffa | aquatix: no, it's the console version atm |
| 14:10.33 | hrw | Jaffa: with gvim too? |
| 14:10.45 | Jaffa | hrw: nope (not yet) |
| 14:10.46 | aquatix | Jaffa: so, the menu item opens vim in a terminal? |
| 14:10.57 | aquatix | not that i care, as long as i have vim :) |
| 14:11.02 | Jaffa | aquatix: there is no menu item. The icon is in the app manager. |
| 14:11.16 | Jaffa | A terminal-opening shortcut would be very cool, tho' |
| 14:11.40 | aquatix | oh duh |
| 14:11.41 | aquatix | kk |
| 14:12.03 | GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, can a case be made for merging all the non-en XChat locale packages, or moving them out of User/ or something, anything? :( |
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| 14:12.30 | mgedmin | GeneralAntilles: yes |
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| 14:13.11 | mgedmin | I want to report a bug about http://extras-cauldron.garage.maemo.org/HOWTO.html |
| 14:13.26 | mgedmin | it says to put fqdn = garage into /etc/dput.cf |
| 14:13.30 | X-Fade | mgedmin: Shoot. |
| 14:13.37 | mgedmin | which, of course, cannot be then resolved from here |
| 14:14.15 | mgedmin | I'd also suggest ~/.dput.cf instead of /etc/dput.cf |
| 14:14.19 | Jaffa | mgedmin: I noticed that. The email as part of the extras invite tells you to add a .ssh/config entry containing username and hostname of 'garage.maemo.org' for 'garage' |
| 14:14.27 | mgedmin | ah! |
| 14:14.38 | Jaffa | But there's no need to do that, so I agree with both your points, FWIW |
| 14:14.40 | mgedmin | could this document please also mention the .ssh/config ? |
| 14:14.50 | mgedmin | Uploading to chinook-extras-builder (via scp to garage.maemo.org): |
| 14:14.50 | mgedmin | Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive). |
| 14:14.52 | mgedmin | :( |
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| 14:14.55 | Jaffa | Nah, scap the .ssh/config - just put it all in ~/.dput.cf |
| 14:15.21 | Jaffa | mgedmin: see bug #3354 - https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3354 |
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| 14:17.13 | X-Fade | mgedmin: I have added your suggestions to the extras-cauldron svn repository. |
| 14:17.32 | X-Fade | Everybody is welcome to join the project btw.. |
| 14:18.48 | GeneralAntilles | Ahh, Update All is heartwarming |
| 14:19.16 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody remember offhand what version of bugzilla bmo is running? |
| 14:20.16 | mgedmin | too much stuff to take in at one time... |
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| 14:25.39 | X-Fade | mgedmin: Re-submitting the package will probably succeed. |
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| 14:35.17 | johnx | hey Capn_Fish :D |
| 14:36.01 | Capn_Fish | hey |
| 14:36.17 | Capn_Fish | Sorry, I had to go get a mouse. My trackpad died |
| 14:36.24 | johnx | O_o |
| 14:36.29 | johnx | permanently? |
| 14:36.34 | Capn_Fish | I don't think so |
| 14:36.48 | Capn_Fish | It has a tendancy to stop working occasionally |
| 14:36.51 | johnx | anyways, did the keyboard on your n810 work in debian beta3? |
| 14:37.01 | Capn_Fish | Yup. worked like a charm |
| 14:37.14 | Capn_Fish | But now I can control the backlight on it :) |
| 14:37.14 | johnx | what did you remap with your xmodmap? |
| 14:37.29 | Capn_Fish | I didn't remap much |
| 14:37.41 | Capn_Fish | I just added in the fn keys |
| 14:37.41 | johnx | backlight control? is that something you added or Stskeeps? |
| 14:38.05 | Capn_Fish | It's not added yet, I just echoed to /sys|/proc :D |
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| 14:38.12 | johnx | ah, right |
| 14:38.19 | Capn_Fish | Oh, I DID remap the menu key to be tab |
| 14:38.25 | Capn_Fish | and apostrophe to be / |
| 14:38.33 | Capn_Fish | Nothing major |
| 14:38.57 | Capn_Fish | The funny thing is, X is getting NO input from it, not even gibberish |
| 14:39.12 | Capn_Fish | I've been meaning to cat /dev/input/event0, but haven't yet |
| 14:39.18 | johnx | this is in Stskeeps' latest debian-installer thing? |
| 14:39.26 | Capn_Fish | Ya |
| 14:39.34 | johnx | right, that's a known issue. we were talking about it earlier :) |
| 14:39.43 | Capn_Fish | The keyboard? |
| 14:39.49 | m-c | sigh -- sorry to ask again but I cannot find it -- where is the nokia web page with instructions on upgrading to OS2008 via USB cable with a Linux OS host ? |
| 14:40.27 | Jaffa | What Nokia web page? |
| 14:40.28 | Capn_Fish | Oh...you guys don't have N810s, so testing must be rather difficult |
| 14:40.34 | qwerty12 | m-c, http://wiki.maemo.org/Upgrading_tablet_OS |
| 14:40.45 | Jaffa | qwerty12: damn, quicker than me |
| 14:40.50 | johnx | Capn_Fish, well, actually, the buttons on the N800 probably wouldn't work either |
| 14:41.00 | Capn_Fish | Most likely |
| 14:41.10 | johnx | this is the same problem I had run into earlier in beta2 and earlier :) |
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| 14:41.19 | Capn_Fish | There's a quirk I noticed.... |
| 14:41.28 | lbt | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Developer_Tools#DDD |
| 14:41.41 | johnx | it's just a matter of copying over this /usr/share/hal/policy/10osvendor/10-xkb.fdi or similar |
| 14:41.46 | Capn_Fish | to turn the keyboard LEDs on, you echo n > /proc/class/leds/keyboard/backlight_level |
| 14:41.58 | Capn_Fish | johnx: Great news! |
| 14:42.01 | qwerty12 | Jaffa, Heh. Ever thought of changing the name of 770flasher? The name would put n00bs with a N800/n810 off and it's the perfect app to help them to flash the tablet if they don't know how. |
| 14:42.15 | johnx | actually, are you on diablo? |
| 14:42.21 | lbt | GeneralAntilles: could we get the RSS feed from the wiki to send to #maemo? |
| 14:42.28 | Capn_Fish | wow, my trackpad is going nuts...If I hover my finger over it, it reacts! |
| 14:42.29 | johnx | and also, Stskeeps already integrated that into his debian installer I believe |
| 14:42.37 | Capn_Fish | anyway, yes I'm using Diablo |
| 14:42.53 | johnx | alright, it's something else then, 10-x11-input.fdi |
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| 14:43.14 | johnx | that *should* do it, but you get to be the beta tester :) |
| 14:43.15 | Capn_Fish | OK |
| 14:43.25 | Jaffa | qwerty12: yes, but the N800 came out after I'd sold my Mac. |
| 14:43.25 | Capn_Fish | hang on, I'll try to find it |
| 14:43.27 | Capn_Fish | brb |
| 14:43.36 | qwerty12 | Jaffa, Ah, ok :) |
| 14:43.52 | Jaffa | Buy me a MacBook Air and I'll fix it - and even make it better :-) |
| 14:43.56 | GeneralAntilles | lbt, please, no. ;) |
| 14:44.05 | GeneralAntilles | #maemo-wiki perhaps |
| 14:44.11 | qwerty12 | Jaffa, I don't even have a Mac :P :) |
| 14:44.36 | m-c | qwerty12: Oh, right, it was on the maemo site, not the nokia site. Thanks so much, pal!!! |
| 14:44.38 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, why'd you sell? |
| 14:44.41 | Jaffa | qwerty12: two MBAs then and keep one for yourself ;-) |
| 14:44.47 | lbt | :D is there really *that* much activity? |
| 14:44.48 | Capn_Fish | johnx: Any ideas on how to make the mail/power/event LED turn on? THe usual echo n > xxx doesn't work with it |
| 14:45.05 | johnx | Capn_Fish, no idea on that. also different on the n800 |
| 14:45.09 | GeneralAntilles | lbt, there's enough. |
| 14:45.12 | qwerty12 | Jaffa, Hmm, tempting. |
| 14:45.22 | johnx | Capn_Fish, if you wanted your own project to work on...that would be a good one :) |
| 14:45.25 | hrw | lbt: wiki has rss so use rss reader |
| 14:45.27 | Capn_Fish | fair enough |
| 14:45.29 | Capn_Fish | OK! |
| 14:45.34 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: had an original 1.42GHz G4 Mac mini and realised the only apps I was regularly using were OSS ones anyway, so I sold it and built a 64-bit AMD box which runs Firefox, OpenOffice.org, GIMP, Inkscape and a Terminal a bit more powerfully :-) |
| 14:45.35 | hrw | lbt: not everyone likes spamming bots on irc |
| 14:45.37 | qwerty12 | johnx, make it run mce and use the dbus commands to fire up the led :P |
| 14:46.05 | johnx | qwerty12, :P I would dearly like to escape from mce :/ |
| 14:46.10 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I did look for an old PowerMac or Mac Pro on eBay first. But they really retain their second hand value |
| 14:46.21 | hrw | johnx: pester nokia then to add proper kernel support for that led |
| 14:46.54 | qwerty12 | Disassemble NOLO? |
| 14:47.00 | johnx | hrw, I have other priorities...like wifi |
| 14:47.02 | qwerty12 | (come on, if NOLO can do it...) |
| 14:47.23 | Capn_Fish | johnx: I don't see anything with xkbd in it...Maybe 10-x11-input.fdi? |
| 14:47.24 | johnx | I'd rather just buy an LED flashlight and shine it in my face when I feel like it |
| 14:47.31 | johnx | Capn_Fish, that sounds right |
| 14:47.35 | lbt | hrw: fair enough - I like the idea of a #maemo-wiki though |
| 14:47.35 | Capn_Fish | k |
| 14:47.50 | johnx | <Capn_Fish> anyway, yes I'm using Diablo |
| 14:47.50 | johnx | <johnx> alright, it's something else then, 10-x11-input.fdi |
| 14:47.55 | johnx | :P |
| 14:48.16 | jott | Capn_Fish: http://sse2.net/ledcolor.py <- thats a little test tool i wrote for the n810... |
| 14:48.28 | |tbb| | is there allready a kbd reconfigure gui app available? |
| 14:48.55 | qwerty12 | For which platform? Maemo or Debian? And for the N810 hardware keyboard? |
| 14:49.11 | |tbb| | n810 hw keyboard |
| 14:49.18 | |tbb| | maemo |
| 14:49.24 | Capn_Fish | jott: That LED has RGB?!? |
| 14:49.28 | Capn_Fish | Cool! |
| 14:49.29 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, haha, second-hand is right. |
| 14:49.30 | hrw | |tbb|: look at ukeyboard |
| 14:49.39 | qwerty12 | I was gonna suggest that :p |
| 14:49.47 | lbt | Capn_Fish: only the 810 |
| 14:49.55 | lbt | 800 is monochrome |
| 14:49.57 | lbt | :( |
| 14:49.59 | Capn_Fish | That's what I have :) |
| 14:50.00 | jott | Capn_Fish: on the n810 |
| 14:50.06 | Capn_Fish | cool indeed |
| 14:50.10 | Capn_Fish | Thanks much! |
| 14:50.30 | Capn_Fish | I will be having WAY too much fun with that... |
| 14:51.03 | aquatix | :) |
| 14:51.40 | Capn_Fish | MY KB WORKS!!!!!!!! :) |
| 14:51.50 | Capn_Fish | johnx: Thanks much! |
| 14:51.54 | johnx | Capn_Fish, so it was just the one file? |
| 14:51.56 | johnx | great |
| 14:51.59 | Capn_Fish | yup |
| 14:52.04 | Capn_Fish | makes things easy |
| 14:52.16 | johnx | awesome, thanks for testing |
| 14:52.25 | Capn_Fish | np |
| 14:52.39 | Capn_Fish | Now if only I could make it a job... |
| 14:52.40 | Capn_Fish | lol |
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| 14:53.07 | johnx | yeah, that'd be nice, wouldn't it? |
| 14:53.23 | |tbb| | jott, how can i get the values out from the color i switch with your sliders |
| 14:53.31 | |tbb| | so i can use it under mce |
| 14:53.42 | Capn_Fish | johnx: one more todo: Add xmodmap to the base image |
| 14:53.51 | Capn_Fish | I still need to install it :( |
| 14:54.07 | johnx | hmm, but not everyone will need it |
| 14:54.11 | hrw | bye |
| 14:54.13 | johnx | also, it's really easy to install |
| 14:54.14 | qwerty12 | bye |
| 14:54.28 | Capn_Fish | johnx: Maybe have it ask a question? |
| 14:54.39 | Capn_Fish | Those with N810s will DEFINITELY want it |
| 14:54.52 | johnx | unless they stay on the console |
| 14:54.55 | jott | i guess xmodmap is small enough to provide it in a base image ... |
| 14:55.16 | Capn_Fish | True... |
| 14:55.37 | Capn_Fish | Still, a prompt wouldn't hurt much, would it? |
| 14:55.45 | Capn_Fish | Or at least a warning on the Wiki |
| 14:56.09 | johnx | ask Stskeeps. The installer is all his work. I'm taking a break for now :) |
| 14:56.23 | Capn_Fish | fair enough |
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| 14:57.23 | aquatix | hm, xmodmap |
| 14:57.28 | johnx | but also, anyone who knows how to use xmodmap should know how to install it. Is the keyboard functional enough to use apt-get? |
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| 14:57.53 | Capn_Fish | yes |
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| 14:58.14 | Capn_Fish | except NOT functional enough to configure wireless, so you need to do that ahead of time |
| 14:58.27 | Capn_Fish | and still no functional WEP, AFAICT |
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| 14:59.45 | johnx | the WEP problem is the oddest thing |
| 14:59.52 | johnx | there are other people with working WEP |
| 14:59.52 | Capn_Fish | I know |
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| 15:00.06 | Capn_Fish | Maybe it's my hidden SSID? |
| 15:00.12 | Capn_Fish | that messes with WPA, I know |
| 15:00.30 | jott | why use WEP at all? :O |
| 15:00.32 | qwerty12 | Bye for now, got to untar android :) |
| 15:01.25 | Capn_Fish | jott: long story |
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| 15:02.27 | Capn_Fish | jott: more to the point, I'm a LONG ways from anybody else, so there's really no point |
| 15:03.27 | |tbb| | ukeyboard isnt compatible with diabolo right now |
| 15:03.54 | jott | who needs encryption? i live in a faraday cage! ;p |
| 15:04.55 | Capn_Fish | Anybody know how to set up a static IP wireless link? I've never managed to do it correctly |
| 15:05.07 | johnx | manually? |
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| 15:05.11 | Capn_Fish | sure |
| 15:05.15 | johnx | ifconfig wlan0 192.168.1.2 |
| 15:05.37 | Capn_Fish | What about AP, DNS, gateways, etc? |
| 15:05.46 | johnx | DNS goes in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 15:06.10 | johnx | AP: iwconfig wlan0 essid your-router |
| 15:06.41 | |tbb| | u need wirelesstools to do so iirc |
| 15:06.53 | johnx | route add default gw 192.168.1.1 |
| 15:07.08 | johnx | if he's doing this in debian they should be installed |
| 15:07.30 | |tbb| | ah k |
| 15:07.32 | johnx | never remembers the syntax for route off the top of his head |
| 15:07.53 | jott | use "ip" instead ;) |
| 15:08.07 | Capn_Fish | ??? |
| 15:08.17 | johnx | jott, ip? |
| 15:08.29 | johnx | Reads TFM |
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| 15:08.44 | X-Fade | iproute2 package, I guess. |
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| 15:09.24 | johnx | fair enough. usually when I don't have net access I tend not to install new packages :P |
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| 15:12.23 | Capn_Fish | bah, the route stuff is the key I'm sure, but I can't get it right |
| 15:12.29 | lardman | bmidgley: ping |
| 15:12.38 | Capn_Fish | I'll just go re-set-up my WPA router :) |
| 15:12.51 | bmidgley | lardman pong |
| 15:13.15 | lardman | bmidgley: I'm just working out what the innards of _sbc_analyze_four() do |
| 15:13.25 | Capn_Fish | brb |
| 15:13.37 | lardman | bmidgley: I take it you scale different parts by different amounts depending on their significance |
| 15:14.25 | lardman | bmidgley: scale -> right shift |
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| 15:15.57 | bmidgley | lardman that may be true in general |
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| 15:16.24 | bmidgley | lardman but the goal is always to keep as much precision as possible without an overflow |
| 15:16.40 | lardman | bmidgley: ah, ok |
| 15:17.37 | lardman | bmidgley: this method does away with calculating the Z coefficients directly and merges them all together at the end? |
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| 15:17.41 | bmidgley | lardman fwiw, the overflows sound like an occasional loud pop or constant static if they happen more often |
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| 15:18.26 | lardman | bmidgley: ok, I was just trying to work out why the variable bitshifts |
| 15:18.35 | bmidgley | lardman I can't remember the z coefficients |
| 15:18.40 | bmidgley | which part of the code? |
| 15:18.54 | bmidgley | scaleX_stagex? |
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| 15:19.25 | lardman | In the spec, the 2nd operation: 1) read in data 2) windowing my 40 coeffs |
| 15:19.32 | lardman | s/my/by |
| 15:21.22 | bmidgley | lardman can you restate the question :) |
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| 15:23.25 | lardman | bmidgley: I guess what I'm interested in is how many operations your method saves over the method given in the spec? |
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| 15:29.39 | lardman | bmidgley: I'm trying to work out how/whether the DSP could perform some operations differently (i.e. more quickly) |
| 15:30.29 | bmidgley | lardman it's mostly about factoring multiplies because they are expensive |
| 15:32.03 | lardman | bmidgley: I'm just counting how many there are now |
| 15:33.56 | lardman | 37 mul, 43 adds, 11 shifts |
| 15:33.59 | lardman | or there abouts |
| 15:34.50 | bmidgley | lardman multiplies aren't expensive on the dsp |
| 15:34.57 | bmidgley | what's expensive is non-symmetrical ops |
| 15:35.17 | lardman | bmidgley: yep, which is why I was trying to work out what you have done :) |
| 15:35.18 | bmidgley | the dsp impl needs to look more like the spec |
| 15:36.02 | bmidgley | the s[] terms don't appear in the spec |
| 15:36.25 | bmidgley | multiply work them out of the workflow to reveal what is going on |
| 15:36.56 | bmidgley | argh, I'm late for work |
| 15:37.10 | lardman | yep, they are related to the fact that there are 5 references into the Z array in the spec |
| 15:37.26 | lardman | cheers for your helps |
| 15:37.34 | lardman | s/helps/help |
| 15:38.46 | bmidgley | ok, will check in later |
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| 15:42.56 | GeneralAntilles | lbt, if you want to look into how the recent changes IRC feeds are set up, I'll see what I can do. |
| 15:43.03 | GeneralAntilles | Google isn't turning up anything useful for me, though. |
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| 15:48.55 | Atarii | anyone know if the rtcomm Beta works with 2008he? |
| 15:49.13 | lcuk_wrk | lbt, also not sure if it will help, but mgedmin has a bot in here logging all the time. you could see if it has communication skills as well as listening |
| 15:50.07 | mgedmin | nah, the bot is utterly stoopid |
| 15:50.15 | mgedmin | it is barely able to log the logs |
| 15:50.28 | mgedmin | there are smarter bots in here, I believe |
| 15:50.30 | mgedmin | ~lart stoopid bots |
| 15:50.30 | infobot | brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, stoopid bots!" and lops off stoopid bots's head |
| 15:50.44 | mgedmin | nope, also stoopid |
| 15:50.56 | mgedmin | can't tell plural from singular |
| 15:55.53 | GeneralAntilles | Well, that was a waste of time. |
| 15:56.01 | GeneralAntilles | fails at supybot and mozbot. |
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| 15:56.30 | GeneralAntilles | There seems to be no documentation for either. |
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| 15:57.51 | jsmith | ~documentation |
| 15:57.52 | infobot | hmm... documentation is not the issue for why the new stuff isn't completed |
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| 16:03.09 | zap | ~documentation is also the thing everybody wants, but nobody reads |
| 16:03.10 | infobot | zap: okay |
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| 16:06.29 | GeneralAntilles | "ERROR!!!" oh yeah, that's useful. |
| 16:07.26 | GeneralAntilles | Alright, enough bullshit with woefully under-documented IRC bots. |
| 16:07.35 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody else is welcome to invest their time in that. |
| 16:08.28 | Atarii | with rtcomm beta installed, when you go to create a new chat account on the nokia, should all the available services be in the drop-down menu? |
| 16:08.39 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
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| 16:09.32 | Atarii | ah on 2008HE i only get Google Talk, Jabber and SIP |
| 16:10.44 | GeneralAntilles | Who knows with HE. |
| 16:11.00 | Atarii | poop |
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| 16:20.16 | zap | Is it fine if an .deb file will place some files to /media/mmc2/... ? |
| 16:20.31 | zap | I mean it's a game with pretty large data files (>100 megs) |
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| 16:20.50 | zap | I'm just not sure app manager or apt/dpkg will eat that |
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| 16:21.12 | snowmoon-work | zap, why not have the game download the maps after it's installed |
| 16:21.36 | johnx | it won't work for n800 users with no internal sd card or people who boot from sd |
| 16:21.44 | Atarii | ah sweet rtcomm beta works in 2008HE :D |
| 16:22.12 | Atarii | hmm except I have no contacts |
| 16:22.18 | johnx | maybe a version that unpacks to mmc2 and a version where users can place data files manually |
| 16:23.33 | GeneralAntilles | Is there a way to throw a dialog asking where you want to put the data files during the application install? |
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| 16:24.40 | snowmoon-work | Where does app manager store the files before installing? If it's downloaded to temp you are kinda screwed and will never be able to distribute huge datasets without downloading them after installing |
| 16:25.37 | GeneralAntilles | mmc2 |
| 16:25.50 | Atarii | im guessing this should pull in all your contacts automatically right? |
| 16:25.55 | GeneralAntilles | or rootfs if you don't have an mmc2 available or change it in Red Pill mode. |
| 16:26.14 | GeneralAntilles | tempfs is, like 1MB |
| 16:26.16 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, Look into ukki's scripts |
| 16:26.24 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, I'm not interested. ;) |
| 16:26.38 | GeneralAntilles | zap, look into ukki's scripts. |
| 16:26.55 | qwerty12 | I don't care, I was answering a question that was asked by you. |
| 16:27.17 | zap | doesn't n800 have an internal card? |
| 16:27.27 | mgedmin | it has an internal slot |
| 16:27.47 | mgedmin | whether or not it has a card depends on whether you put it in there or not ;-) |
| 16:27.54 | zap | hmm, so there's even no place to download the deb files to |
| 16:28.01 | zap | btw this also should apply to n810 as well :( |
| 16:28.14 | mgedmin | the n810 has a soldered-in internal card that you cannot remove |
| 16:28.16 | zap | app manager downloads them to /var/tmp, right? |
| 16:28.26 | GeneralAntilles | zap, read the scrollback. . . . |
| 16:28.36 | mgedmin | I *think* the app manager downloads them to /media/mmc2 if it can, then falls back to /var/tmp |
| 16:28.41 | mgedmin | and no, I haven't read the scrollback |
| 16:28.42 | zap | I'll have a look although have no idea whats that |
| 16:28.53 | GeneralAntilles | zap, the scrollback in the channel. |
| 16:29.05 | mgedmin | a .deb file just dropping files under /media would be UNACCEPTABLE in my eyes |
| 16:29.07 | zap | how far? :) |
| 16:29.13 | GeneralAntilles | Barely a page. |
| 16:29.15 | qwerty12 | mgedmin, it's also impossible ;) |
| 16:29.20 | GeneralAntilles | Between when you asked your question and now. . . . |
| 16:29.20 | mgedmin | *whew* |
| 16:29.24 | mgedmin | really? does dpkg complain? |
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| 16:29.31 | zap | GeneralAntilles: I see you suggested some 'ukki scripts' |
| 16:29.49 | qwerty12 | mgedmin, yes, dpkg only works with permission based filesystems |
| 16:29.58 | mgedmin | ah, vfat saves the day :) |
| 16:30.11 | GeneralAntilles | [12:24pm] <snowmoon-work> Where does app manager store the files before installing? If it's downloaded to temp you are kinda screwed and will never be able to distribute huge datasets without downloading them after installing |
| 16:30.11 | GeneralAntilles | [12:25pm] <GeneralAntilles> mmc2 |
| 16:30.12 | GeneralAntilles | [12:25pm] <GeneralAntilles> or rootfs if you don't have an mmc2 available or change it in Re |
| 16:30.50 | zap | it won't fit on rootfs |
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| 16:31.03 | Jaffa | How big a dataset are we talking here? |
| 16:31.09 | johnx | why not just let the data file be a separate zip file download |
| 16:31.32 | Stskeeps | johnx: is bluetooth on debian just installing bluez btw? |
| 16:31.42 | GeneralAntilles | fyi, this problem has already been dealt with by pupnik, ukki and others. |
| 16:31.49 | zap | about 100Mb min and ~300Mb max |
| 16:31.54 | GeneralAntilles | Look into how they do it and you'll have your answer. . . . |
| 16:32.03 | zap | in what package? |
| 16:32.10 | qwerty12 | <qwerty12> Look into ukki's scripts |
| 16:32.12 | zap | ukki == ukmp? |
| 16:32.14 | qwerty12 | I said that time ago |
| 16:32.25 | GeneralAntilles | No, ukki == ukki |
| 16:32.30 | GeneralAntilles | gives up and moves on. |
| 16:32.35 | zap | well, google knows alot of ukki :) |
| 16:32.35 | johnx | Stskeeps, yeah, I think so. it's pretty automagic |
| 16:32.37 | zap | sorry GA |
| 16:33.27 | zap | aha, ukki == widelands |
| 16:33.32 | zap | GA, you could be more specific |
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| 16:33.35 | qwerty12 | ukki = duke3d |
| 16:33.44 | qwerty12 | ukki = solmumaha (on #maemo ;)) |
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| 16:34.30 | qwerty12 | You could also grab my "full" rott package. It uses ukki scripts to make a simple text file saying to put the games here on /media/mmc2 or mmc1 |
| 16:34.40 | qwerty12 | s/games/data files/ |
| 16:35.24 | qwerty12 | ~lart "Xming[e]" x server for windows |
| 16:35.24 | infobot | whips out a shotgun, trudges over to "Xming[e]" x server, and goes postal for windows |
| 16:35.59 | zap | qwerty12: where I can get them? |
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| 16:39.05 | qwerty12 | zap, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=176871 - my rott, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17315 - ukki's duke3d, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19871 - could help & you may want to get in touch with solmumaha for a certain website and then tell me the link as I forgot it :P |
| 16:39.26 | zap | thank you! |
| 16:39.42 | mgedmin | duke3d runs on NITs? |
| 16:39.48 | qwerty12 | Yes, for a long time now :) |
| 16:39.51 | mgedmin | oooh |
| 16:39.57 | qwerty12 | Shadow warrior too, just a little slower |
| 16:40.01 | mgedmin | that brings back memories... |
| 16:40.14 | qwerty12 | I want to see OpenUT :( |
| 16:40.26 | Stskeeps | johnx: Capn_Fish just verified the camera works :) |
| 16:42.27 | zap | qwerty12: hmm, btw, how you ported rott? is the source available? |
| 16:42.39 | qwerty12 | zap, it's a dodgy port anyways |
| 16:42.43 | qwerty12 | source is available |
| 16:42.51 | qwerty12 | check the last post if you want to finish it off ;) |
| 16:43.02 | zap | :) well I'm not a rott fan |
| 16:43.16 | qwerty12 | I made it run full screen and stablised the memory a bit but it still likes to freeze :) :P |
| 16:43.17 | zap | I'm a uqm fan, that's why I'm asking about big files :) |
| 16:43.37 | qwerty12 | I think uqm has already been done by ZerionSeven, let me check |
| 16:43.42 | zap | yes |
| 16:43.55 | zap | but I'd like it a bit more user-friendly |
| 16:44.02 | qwerty12 | Ah |
| 16:44.06 | zap | there are three votes on garage, that's a shame :) |
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| 16:45.42 | zap | I badly miss a "bookmark this post" feature on itt forums :) |
| 16:45.48 | Jaffa | Hmm. Diablo SDK + maemo-explicit doesn't contain X Terminal |
| 16:46.18 | qwerty12 | Jaffa, if you know the password, jack it from catalogue.tableteer... |
| 16:47.41 | Jaffa | qwerty12: possible. Don't need it, turns out |
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| 16:47.52 | zap | hehe, Enigma does just what I said - hardcoded to /media/mmc2/enigma |
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| 16:52.33 | mgedmin | would be nicer if it tried both mmc cards |
| 16:54.10 | cjohnson | So is there a good guide to updating/upgrading/flashing my newly purchased n800 to os2008? |
| 16:54.17 | cjohnson | Preferably maemo 4.1 |
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| 16:55.41 | Atarii | cjohnson download the latest image from here http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php |
| 16:55.48 | qwerty12 | cjohnson, linux or win? |
| 16:55.52 | cjohnson | Windows :( |
| 16:55.58 | zap | mgedmin: the general approach is to present the user with a choice dialog |
| 16:56.06 | cjohnson | Is 4.1 DIABLO ? |
| 16:56.12 | qwerty12 | Yes |
| 16:56.23 | qwerty12 | http://tabletschool.blogspot.com/2008/01/nokia-n800-how-to-update-n800s-firmware.html |
| 16:56.28 | cjohnson | wow 135mb |
| 16:56.30 | zap | wonders why such a strange codename |
| 16:56.37 | Atarii | cjohnson then use this windows flashing tool http://europe.nokia.com/A4305010 |
| 16:58.31 | aquatix | well, it's version d, after c(hinook) |
| 16:58.46 | lcuk_wrk | \o/ |
| 16:58.49 | lcuk_wrk | i survived |
| 16:58.59 | qwerty12 | kills lcuk |
| 16:59.02 | Jaffa | zap: Maemo codenames are named after winds. |
| 16:59.04 | cjohnson | just like fesity fawn, gutsy gibbons, hardy herron, etc. |
| 16:59.08 | qwerty12 | lcuk, not on #maemo you dont :P |
| 16:59.09 | lcuk | gee. thanks qwerty12 |
| 16:59.11 | cjohnson | named in order :D |
| 16:59.21 | qwerty12 | lcuk, any time ;) |
| 16:59.28 | lcuk | heh |
| 16:59.33 | Jaffa | zap: http://wiki.maemo.org/Codenames |
| 16:59.43 | zap | Jaffa: thanks |
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| 17:00.08 | lcuk | im waiting for maemo Hurricane edition, when you install it you get a little CNN reporter on your desktop |
| 17:00.34 | qwerty12 | would rather have the bbc :P |
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| 17:01.49 | lcuk | but those CNN reporters are hard. hell, i was shocked when john simpson said last night he was in Zimbabwe after bbc were explicitely banned from the country |
| 17:02.26 | Jaffa | Channel 4 News rocks too, but they're not naming theirs ;-) |
| 17:03.32 | lcuk | jaffa, thats what i mean, i think thats the first time ive seen a bbc reporter actually go properly undercover |
| 17:03.37 | lcuk | and announce it on the news |
| 17:04.24 | aquatix | lcuk: lol @ reporter |
| 17:05.32 | cjohnson | the updater wont' find the device |
| 17:05.44 | cjohnson | it's in update mode (followed step 5, it shows nokia logo with usb logo top right) |
| 17:05.47 | cjohnson | but updater won't find it |
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| 17:06.07 | zap | bbc was banned, but not every person with an UK passport, I presume |
| 17:06.16 | Jaffa | lcuk: Nah, they've done it before. John Simpson as well, IIRC. |
| 17:06.20 | RST38h | Folks, please confirm bug #3359 |
| 17:06.37 | RST38h | Looks like maintainers do not believe it occurs |
| 17:06.42 | Jaffa | zap: I was reading something about a reporter for The Times who got in, but then was detained when they discovered he was a reporter. Not pleasant reading. |
| 17:07.01 | zap | well, you don't have to say you're a reporter |
| 17:07.29 | qwerty12 | I be in Zimbabwe looking for guns, I make deal with government. |
| 17:08.12 | Stskeeps | hrm, what arm version does the tablets run? v5el or v6el instruction set? |
| 17:08.20 | Jaffa | No, of course not. But a) sometimes it shows up on your passport, b) sometimes you're well known, c) doesn't take much to watch the BBC News and look for "our world editor, John Simpson, has managed to get in to Zimbabwe, and sends this report from there" |
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| 17:08.24 | qwerty12 | N800 is v6 |
| 17:08.29 | Stskeeps | k |
| 17:08.38 | GeneralAntilles | Ahaha . . . awesome. supybot, apparently, believes the correct response to invalid settings is to nuke entire sections of the .conf file. |
| 17:08.48 | Stskeeps | just have this bizarre notion to try out mojo's distributions of ubuntu |
| 17:09.16 | zap | RST38h: have you tried with plain USB keyboards? |
| 17:09.18 | Atarii | Stskeeps, on itt forums you mentioned about voluntees for debian on 770 |
| 17:09.35 | zap | RST38h: is the delay from BT keyboards different from the delay with USB keyboards? |
| 17:09.36 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: nice. |
| 17:10.01 | GeneralAntilles | really doesn't have the patience for irc bots, evidently. |
| 17:10.01 | cjohnson | argh |
| 17:10.04 | Stskeeps | Atarii: yeah - http://wiki.maemo.org/Debian_for_NITs_development is what we're doing for n800 and n810 right now |
| 17:10.09 | cjohnson | it keeps connecting and disconnecting to my computer |
| 17:10.17 | Stskeeps | Atarii: i'm not sure what the boot process differences would be on n770 |
| 17:10.22 | GeneralAntilles | I think I'll push this as a proposal for the maemo.org team, instead. |
| 17:10.25 | zap | cjohnson: your computer is hot |
| 17:10.42 | cjohnson | zap, ? |
| 17:10.48 | qwerty12 | that sentence made me laugh, sorry. |
| 17:11.00 | lcuk | jaffa :) thanks for a bit more of your knowledge. was the first time i'd seen anything like that |
| 17:11.01 | Atarii | right, ill have a read of the wiki |
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| 17:11.40 | RST38h | zap: I did not try usb |
| 17:11.55 | zap | don't you have a female A-A converter? |
| 17:12.07 | cjohnson | tried it again, works now |
| 17:12.10 | zap | it would be helpful imho to point out if it's a general problem with keyboards |
| 17:12.13 | zap | or just a BT problem |
| 17:12.14 | cjohnson | it said 20 minutes to update, took about 10 seconds |
| 17:12.15 | cjohnson | is that normal? |
| 17:12.34 | Atarii | yes cjohnson |
| 17:13.18 | Jaffa | lcuk: John Simpson's autobiography's quite interesting. Although he's *very* full of himself. Jon Snow's is also a good read, and much more humble. |
| 17:13.36 | cjohnson | k |
| 17:13.41 | RST38h | zap: I have no connector, no keyboard, and my tablet is in a case preventing access to usb port |
| 17:13.59 | zap | :) |
| 17:14.10 | lcuk | cool :) |
| 17:14.12 | zap | and I have no BT keyboard |
| 17:14.24 | lcuk | sends missus on a secret raid to whsmiths |
| 17:14.53 | lcuk | (not that secretive, she works there :D) |
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| 17:16.40 | mgedmin | did I somehow manage to subscribe to extras-cauldron-builds@garage.maemo.org with two email addresses, or is that list forwarded into maemo-dev@? |
| 17:17.06 | Jaffa | mgedmin: it's not forwarded into maemo-dev. However, you get sent an email directly after you've uploaded a package. |
| 17:17.24 | cjohnson | Is there a good list of things I should usually do upon a fresh install of OS2008? On my n800, I've slowly added repos and enabled red pill mode, etc...but I can't remember all the things I did. I just got my dad one, but I want to enable the extra stuff for him as well. |
| 17:17.25 | mgedmin | but that's for your package only, right? |
| 17:17.26 | Jaffa | mgedmin: subscribing to extras-cauldron-builds is only useful if you're interested in *other*'s builds. |
| 17:17.30 | mgedmin | I'm getting all of them |
| 17:17.34 | mgedmin | oh, duh |
| 17:17.39 | mgedmin | no wait |
| 17:17.46 | mgedmin | I'm getting all of them to one address |
| 17:17.51 | Jaffa | Hmm. Odd. |
| 17:17.53 | mgedmin | I forgot how many I got to the other address |
| 17:17.59 | mgedmin | that could've been the personal ones |
| 17:18.05 | Jaffa | afks to go and tell his grandparents another Jaffalet is on the way. |
| 17:18.15 | mgedmin | Jaffa: congratulations! |
| 17:18.16 | RST38h | Anybody uses a USB keyboard with his tablet? |
| 17:18.24 | RST38h | Sorry, not USB, BT keyboard =) |
| 17:18.29 | mgedmin | tried once, with a 770 |
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| 17:18.32 | mgedmin | oh |
| 17:18.35 | qwerty12 | Jaffa, congratulations :) |
| 17:18.39 | mgedmin | tried a few times, with a n800 |
| 17:18.41 | cjohnson | RST38h, I use the iGo Stowaway |
| 17:18.46 | cjohnson | RST38h, it works pretty good |
| 17:18.49 | lcuk | :O Jaffa!!!! hope mrs Jaffa doesnt give birth to a tangareen |
| 17:18.54 | lcuk | congrats btw |
| 17:18.56 | Blafasel | Jaffa: The same one or an improved version? :) Grats |
| 17:20.10 | lcuk | omg @ my horrid spellingm thats worse than usual |
| 17:20.18 | Stskeeps | will i be burned at the stake for trying to get ubuntu booting on n800? |
| 17:20.30 | RST38h | cjohnson: no skipped characters? |
| 17:20.31 | aquatix | cjohnson: yeah, here too |
| 17:20.45 | aquatix | RST38h: only repeated ones... |
| 17:20.56 | ccooke | Stskeeps: depends if you use the full ubuntu or not :-) |
| 17:20.58 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, Nope. Hope it runs better than android on N800 :( |
| 17:21.12 | ccooke | qwerty12: android ran badly? |
| 17:21.13 | Stskeeps | ccooke: no clue.. i'm going to debootstrap and see if i can make it boot |
| 17:21.22 | cjohnson | RST38h, I never get them...though the enter key in pidgin convos is a bit undersensitive |
| 17:21.31 | ccooke | Stskeeps: that should be very possible |
| 17:21.32 | RST38h | is not getting repeats but the keys skip |
| 17:21.32 | cjohnson | i usually have to wait until the screen catches up with my typing before hitting enter |
| 17:21.33 | aquatix | Stskeeps: installing MID? |
| 17:21.36 | RST38h | and there is lag |
| 17:21.43 | Stskeeps | aquatix: mojo.handhelds.org's port of ubuntu |
| 17:21.44 | cjohnson | RST38h, do you have internet connection through bluetooth? |
| 17:21.46 | qwerty12 | ccooke, It runs except I can't get the touch screen to work with the provided patch |
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| 17:22.00 | RST38h | cjohnson: nope |
| 17:22.39 | aquatix | qwerty12: friend of mine couldn't too |
| 17:22.46 | aquatix | cjohnson: i did |
| 17:23.20 | Andy80 | hi all |
| 17:23.34 | qwerty12 | aquatix, thanks, nice to know I'm not alone :) |
| 17:23.49 | aquatix | :) |
| 17:23.56 | cjohnson | aquatix, I've read that bluetooth for internet and for keyboard causes lag in the keyboard |
| 17:24.03 | cjohnson | aquatix, especially with repeated characters |
| 17:24.03 | aquatix | he was quite underwhelmed by android too |
| 17:24.15 | qwerty12 | I'm using patches that I ported to the diablo kernel though so I can't straight apply some patches :? |
| 17:24.17 | qwerty12 | *:/ |
| 17:24.26 | aquatix | cjohnson: hm, i'll try in a minute with wifi |
| 17:24.28 | Jaffa | mgedmin/lcuk/qwerty12/Blafasel: ta muchly. #1 is in the terrible twos, so hopefully an imrpvement :) |
| 17:24.33 | Andy80 | how can I unlock the USB port? I'm trying to use USB Networking in Control Panel, but it says "USB Connection in use. Please disconnect the cable" but the cable is already disconnected.... |
| 17:24.55 | lcuk | my 6 year old just finished terrible twos ;) |
| 17:25.46 | Mousey | haha |
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| 17:28.20 | Jaffa | lcuk: noooooooooooooooooooo! |
| 17:29.04 | qwerty12 | Haha, I'd lol so badly if #1 and #2 ever are in the terrible twos together :P |
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| 17:29.28 | lcuk | its ok, eldest managed to pull through that stage quickly, little jake is a bit behind. swings and roundabouts. hope yours aren't *that* bad for you |
| 17:29.29 | admin_ | is there any advantage of 2008HE over 2008? |
| 17:29.31 | Jaffa | qwerty12: that's what sticks are for. |
| 17:29.43 | qwerty12 | Ha |
| 17:29.46 | lcuk | qwerty12, ive got a 6yr old and 13yr old who fight |
| 17:30.12 | lcuk | actually, now i think about it, the youngest acts older... |
| 17:30.19 | qwerty12 | Hehe |
| 17:30.54 | lcuk | admin_, 2008HE is for the older n770, os2008 is the actual os for the n800 and n810 |
| 17:31.05 | admin_ | ah ok lcuk , thanks |
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| 17:31.24 | aquatix | hm, i have to re-pair my iGo |
| 17:31.29 | aquatix | +with |
| 17:31.46 | lcuk | threw it in the dock? |
| 17:32.54 | aquatix | now why doesn't it pair... |
| 17:33.05 | aquatix | is typing the numbers the n810 suggests |
| 17:33.24 | lcuk | press enter? |
| 17:33.31 | aquatix | hm :) |
| 17:33.44 | aquatix | nope |
| 17:33.45 | Jaffa | foods |
| 17:33.49 | aquatix | Jaffa: enjoy |
| 17:33.52 | lcuk | mgedmin, there is a hole in your mind. |
| 17:34.13 | mgedmin | that's for ventilation |
| 17:34.18 | lcuk | :D heh |
| 17:34.22 | mgedmin | otherwise it'd overheat |
| 17:34.34 | lcuk | i just did a massive mega search of google looking for something you told me |
| 17:34.40 | mgedmin | what? |
| 17:34.55 | lcuk | the thing about packages sorted by install date, ive found it now |
| 17:35.16 | lcuk | and its not in the log :P |
| 17:35.27 | mgedmin | povbot might've been sulking at the time |
| 17:35.28 | lcuk | i had to dig through text log here |
| 17:35.29 | mgedmin | it does that sometimes |
| 17:35.37 | mgedmin | ls -lrt /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.files |
| 17:35.41 | mgedmin | povbot`: got that? |
| 17:35.41 | povbot` | mgedmin: Error: "got" is not a valid command. |
| 17:35.43 | lcuk | yer, ive noticed it runs out of the chan and slams the door as it goes |
| 17:36.04 | mgedmin | oh, that was probably when I upgraded the kernel and had to wait 20 minutes for the fsck |
| 17:36.07 | lcuk | ahhh, your bot can talk in chan |
| 17:36.16 | mgedmin | all it ever says is "error" |
| 17:36.28 | mgedmin | ~lart stupid bots again |
| 17:36.28 | infobot | shoves a crumpet down stupid bots again's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? |
| 17:36.37 | mgedmin | mmm, crumpet |
| 17:36.48 | lcuk | nothing wrong with a bit of crumpet |
| 17:37.09 | qwerty12 | infobot, fight with povbot` |
| 17:37.10 | infobot | ACTION laughs as with povbot` reboots host-84-9-55-239.dslgb.com sending qwerty12 into the aether |
| 17:37.25 | qwerty12 | ok, not the result I desired |
| 17:37.57 | lcuk | not the result we desired either, it didnt actually kick you out :P |
| 17:38.11 | qwerty12 | northeners first :P |
| 17:38.32 | lcuk | why, cos you're scared? |
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| 17:38.48 | lcuk | grows up |
| 17:38.53 | qwerty12 | nah, us from the south can fight |
| 17:39.11 | qwerty12 | well, kinda, as I'm from the north >.< |
| 17:39.21 | lcuk | yer, unfortunately too many people do (from north or south and with weapons) |
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| 17:40.09 | aquatix | is baffled |
| 17:40.39 | aquatix | i type the darn code, but the tablet just says pairing failed device resources exceeded after a while |
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| 17:45.47 | mange | hey.. is it true that Diablo is out? not just the beta version ? |
| 17:45.53 | lcuk | yes |
| 17:46.02 | GeneralAntilles | ~topic |
| 17:46.03 | mange | im searching maemo.org, but cant really find the guide on how to put it in.. |
| 17:46.07 | mange | i got this .bin file |
| 17:46.23 | GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Upgrading_tablet_OS |
| 17:46.25 | lcuk | do you use windows? and have you got an 800 or 810 |
| 17:46.38 | mange | i use ubuntu, and have got 810 |
| 17:46.48 | mange | thank you GeneralAntilles |
| 17:46.51 | lcuk | then do what the general says |
| 17:47.14 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, that page also covers Windows |
| 17:47.19 | mange | btw, does this mean that i should get N800 image, even if I have N810? "The N810 image integrates minor optimizations and bugfixes, while the N800 image offers now full functionality and several bugfixes found after the developer beta release made last month." |
| 17:47.27 | mange | it sounds like the N800 image is better |
| 17:47.32 | GeneralAntilles | ~flashing is covered at http://wiki.maemo.org/Upgrading_tablet_OS |
| 17:47.33 | infobot | GeneralAntilles: okay |
| 17:47.48 | GeneralAntilles | Er, mange, where do you see that? |
| 17:47.59 | mange | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/first_official_os2008_update.html |
| 17:48.19 | GeneralAntilles | That was when the N800's first OS2008 beta image was released. |
| 17:48.19 | mange | oh, maybe thats old :) |
| 17:48.22 | mange | sorry |
| 17:48.23 | GeneralAntilles | The images are in sync now. |
| 17:48.24 | lcuk | since that was last year relating to the chinook release |
| 17:48.41 | GeneralAntilles | Pre-Chinook |
| 17:49.08 | mgedmin | besides you cannot flash the n800 image on a n810 |
| 17:49.12 | mgedmin | the flasher won't let you |
| 17:49.24 | mgedmin | hm |
| 17:49.29 | mgedmin | I thin |
| 17:49.46 | mgedmin | actually I once tried flashing a 770 image on a n800, and got a scary write error in the middle |
| 17:49.55 | mgedmin | instead of a nice "wrong image, dummy!" at the beginning |
| 17:55.52 | aquatix | ah, it paired |
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| 17:56.52 | aquatix | typing from n810 with iGo bt keyboard |
| 17:57.04 | aquatix | it's a bit slow, but at least it doesn't repeat now |
| 17:57.22 | aquatix | so i guess those repeats came from internet through bt too |
| 18:00.48 | Stskeeps | oh, that's interesting |
| 18:00.58 | Stskeeps | Ubuntu 7.04 Nokia-N800-51-3 tty1 |
| 18:01.05 | Stskeeps | Nokia-N800-51-3 login: |
| 18:01.27 | Stskeeps | ofcourse something's horridly bad, but it works :) |
| 18:01.57 | Stskeeps | .. atleast sortof |
| 18:04.37 | mgedmin | Stskeeps: what's that? telnet or serial console? |
| 18:04.46 | Stskeeps | mgedmin: booted into it |
| 18:04.51 | mgedmin | wait, Ubuntu?! |
| 18:04.52 | Stskeeps | so console framebuffer |
| 18:04.52 | mgedmin | wow |
| 18:04.56 | mgedmin | does wireless work? |
| 18:05.05 | Stskeeps | hey, i just made it work like i made debian bootstrap initially :P |
| 18:05.17 | Stskeeps | patience ;) |
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| 18:05.56 | Stskeeps | and wireless would work with same tricks as in debian |
| 18:07.22 | mange | how is the power management in debian on n810? |
| 18:07.27 | mange | similar batterytime? |
| 18:07.33 | Stskeeps | mange: wifi not so good, rest decent |
| 18:07.52 | Stskeeps | there's beta3 by johnx and then there's our from bottom up (doing it correctly) debian installer |
| 18:08.00 | Stskeeps | beta3 is more feature complete right now |
| 18:08.01 | mange | okay.. so, like .. 4 hours of usage? |
| 18:08.07 | Stskeeps | no clue |
| 18:08.07 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 18:10.10 | Stskeeps | okay, can anyone tell me what the hell ':' means in a shell script? |
| 18:10.13 | Stskeeps | as in, standalone, : |
| 18:10.41 | mgedmin | same as /bin/true |
| 18:10.55 | mgedmin | it's a shell builtin |
| 18:11.05 | mgedmin | try help : if you're running under something smarter than busybox sh |
| 18:11.12 | Stskeeps | okay, so i obviously have something broken in my ubuntu since it complains about it not working.. |
| 18:11.26 | Stskeeps | \h:\w$ : |
| 18:11.26 | Stskeeps | dash: :: not found |
| 18:11.54 | aquatix | shouldn't you have %'s in there? |
| 18:12.26 | aquatix | ah no, ignore that |
| 18:12.42 | aquatix | Stskeeps: what's the complete line? |
| 18:13.24 | Stskeeps | aquatix: think it's a bashism - i read in the ubuntu bootstrap for armel that they disable dash completely or things mess up |
| 18:13.27 | Stskeeps | and it matches what i saw |
| 18:13.35 | aquatix | ah |
| 18:13.43 | aquatix | that could very well be the cause indeed |
| 18:13.45 | |tbb| | i have insmod some modules (iptables) how can i tell them to use the shared libarys which stay /lib/iptables ? Every time i run iptables -t nat .... i became segmention fault |
| 18:14.06 | Stskeeps | reboots ubuntu |
| 18:14.18 | mgedmin | Stskeeps: : works in my dash |
| 18:14.40 | Stskeeps | mgedmin: alright - guess it's cos it's 7.04 or something |
| 18:14.45 | mgedmin | hm, 8.04 here |
| 18:15.07 | Stskeeps | tries installing some more debian-nit packages to it and see how well it keeps up |
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| 18:31.12 | zap | Anybody knows if the tremor library is available anywhere as a separate package? |
| 18:31.17 | zap | (I mean in maemo repos_ |
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| 18:36.23 | Stskeeps | right, i now officially have ubuntu 7.04 booting in a sane manner :) (base system, no GUI just yet.) |
| 18:36.30 | Stskeeps | (on n800) |
| 18:36.39 | qwerty12_N800 | cool :) |
| 18:36.52 | Stskeeps | with usb0 just for now.. not sure how ubuntu allows for firmware loading for wireless |
| 18:38.11 | zap | can you try usb networking with windoz? |
| 18:38.28 | zap | or it uses the regular nokia kernel? |
| 18:38.31 | mange | why 7.04? isn't that a kind of old ubuntu? |
| 18:38.33 | Stskeeps | normal nokia kernel |
| 18:38.50 | Stskeeps | mange: http://mojo.handhelds.org/distributions |
| 18:38.53 | Stskeeps | that's why |
| 18:38.53 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:39.28 | Stskeeps | oh, by no GUI i mean X, but i have console framebuffer |
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| 18:39.46 | mange | it'd be cool to run http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile on n810 |
| 18:40.09 | GAN800 | recompile for arm |
| 18:40.15 | GAN800 | and opengl support |
| 18:40.25 | GAN800 | good luck with that. |
| 18:40.34 | Stskeeps | doesn't it have a flash interface too? |
| 18:40.44 | qwerty12_N800 | armel technically |
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| 18:43.50 | Stskeeps | considers being suicidal and installing ubuntu-desktop and Xomap. |
| 18:44.36 | Stskeeps | ah heck, can't find my livecd. bloody rndis bug |
| 18:46.09 | eocanha | One question: I'm reviewing the debian policy to find out what build-depends I have to use in my package |
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| 18:46.22 | eocanha | and I see an example like this: |
| 18:46.34 | zap | hmm, SDL from N8xx can upscale only YUV data? Not RGB? |
| 18:46.48 | eocanha | Build-Depends: kernel-headers-2.2.10 [!hurd-i386], hurd-dev [hurd-i386], gnumach-dev [hurd-i386] |
| 18:47.10 | eocanha | and I see that "hurd-i386" is the architecture |
| 18:47.25 | eocanha | What would be the architecture in Maemo? |
| 18:47.40 | qwerty12_N800 | armel |
| 18:47.51 | eocanha | hmmm |
| 18:48.18 | eocanha | but how can I distiguish desktop i386 from maemo i386 ? |
| 18:48.34 | eocanha | (for compilation in the scratchbox) |
| 18:49.31 | eocanha | I'd like my package to depend on hildon libs when built for maemo-i386 or maemo-armel, but not when built for desktop-i386 |
| 18:50.18 | eocanha | (I already have autoconf tests to detect in what environment is the package being compiled) |
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| 19:01.33 | Jaffa | 's Eee now on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=250265662948&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=015 |
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| 19:02.01 | doc|home | thanks for the spam |
| 19:03.50 | GAN800 | Frree viagra.. call now!1 |
| 19:04.18 | madhav | Hi, did anyone know how to enable xshm in xfbdev |
| 19:04.19 | doc|home | prefers C14l4S |
| 19:04.36 | Jaffa | doc|home: why, you're very welcome |
| 19:15.30 | mange | hmm, this is kinda annoying.. i upgraded to Diablo, and now i cant pair with my phone, because my phone operator is no longer in the list (shown by pairing wizard) |
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| 19:16.12 | qwerty12_N800 | which operator is it |
| 19:17.30 | GAN800 | Set up manually? . . . |
| 19:18.11 | mange | it's Tele2 Comviq |
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| 19:18.17 | mange | it used to be in the list :( |
| 19:18.37 | qwerty12_N800 | that's a swedish network right? |
| 19:18.39 | mange | the problem is, if I select "none", no connection is added to the COnnections list, so i cant configure it manually (like the wizard propose) |
| 19:19.01 | mange | but i just found a workaround, if i add some other operator, and then edit that profile with the stuff from tele2 comviqs homepage, it might work |
| 19:19.37 | Raytray | My n800 dims on boot. Even before diablo, is there a setting a way to stop it? |
| 19:20.01 | GAN800 | bootmenu? . . . |
| 19:20.30 | Raytray | Hrm? |
| 19:21.12 | GAN800 | fanoush's initfs can be set up to set brightness on boot. |
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| 19:21.17 | mange | how does the AGPS tool work? i just see a world map and i can move around a small crosshair |
| 19:21.23 | Raytray | Ah I see. |
| 19:21.31 | mange | isn't it suppose to download stuff from the network? i have an active wifi conn up |
| 19:21.38 | GAN800 | mange, see the Nokia beta page for details. |
| 19:21.43 | lcuk | mange, stop moving the crosshair around, you are sending my gps wonky |
| 19:22.06 | Raytray | And what should I do if one or both of my sd cards sends the 800 into a freeze, and then reboot cycle? |
| 19:22.31 | lcuk | take it out? |
| 19:22.47 | qwerty12_N800 | install ksyslogd and post the log somewhere |
| 19:23.23 | mange | i can affect your gps from mine? :) |
| 19:24.39 | lcuk | mange, just use the agps map to set roughly where you are. it helps the magic inside your tablet to do its stuff (hopefully faster than before) |
| 19:24.41 | qwerty12_N800 | changes target of us military gpses to north pole |
| 19:24.58 | mange | i hope so.. i was never able to get a fix before :) |
| 19:25.05 | mange | im gonna head outside now and see this magic |
| 19:25.35 | mange | kinda rough triangulation.. i mean, 1 pixel must be like several miles on that world map :P |
| 19:27.06 | Raytray | Where can klogd's logs be found? |
| 19:27.20 | qwerty12_N800 | /var/log iirc |
| 19:27.49 | Raytray | ahty |
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| 19:33.47 | etrunko | X-Fade: around? |
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| 19:35.57 | Wikier | hi |
| 19:36.47 | m-vo | Wikier, http://www.amazon.com/gp/blog/post/PLNKVUNBWIDAS9YQ |
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| 19:37.27 | Wikier | thx m-vo |
| 19:37.30 | Wikier | let see |
| 19:38.25 | m-vo | I quite like "'Air guitar and attitude' won't do." |
| 19:38.58 | m-vo | Alan Kay is in the comments. |
| 19:39.36 | Wikier | its ivan |
| 19:39.48 | Wikier | wikier is the sergios nick :) |
| 19:40.30 | m-vo | I know! :-) |
| 19:42.01 | m-vo | Another nice one: "Diversity without thresholds is simply Babel." |
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| 19:46.17 | milhouse | hmmm... is it just me or is http://wiki.maemo.org (ie. the main wiki page) broken? I'm getting a blank page in Firefox, "The request or reply is too large. " in IE7 |
| 19:46.24 | milhouse | https is ok though |
| 19:46.42 | Jaffa | milhouse: press reload/refresh |
| 19:46.46 | milhouse | i have - same |
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| 19:46.52 | lardman | blank here too |
| 19:46.54 | milhouse | ctrl-r, no joy |
| 19:47.12 | Jaffa | milhouse: Ctrl-Shift-R ? |
| 19:47.29 | Jaffa | That fixed it for me. Some cache somewhere's got the blank version in |
| 19:47.41 | lardman | ah ha, same here |
| 19:47.43 | milhouse | trying c-s-r... |
| 19:48.17 | milhouse | joy - that worked, thanks jaffa! |
| 19:49.32 | lcuk | it came up blank for me a few times but then worked after about 5 bashes. perhaps it needs multi hits to wake it up |
| 19:49.32 | Jaffa | np |
| 19:50.58 | lardman | wonders how to avoid saturation |
| 19:51.29 | lcuk | lardman, yake a brolly |
| 19:51.32 | lcuk | take even |
| 19:51.40 | lardman | I was waiting for it :) |
| 19:52.07 | lardman | I actually meant when doing fixed point multiplies |
| 19:52.39 | lcuk | fixed point as in normal ints? |
| 19:53.02 | lardman | floats multiplied by a factor to make them ints |
| 19:53.13 | lbt | put a 0 in there - that should do it :) |
| 19:53.24 | lardman | :) |
| 19:53.35 | lardman | lose significance then though ;p |
| 19:53.53 | lcuk | fudge factors - what ranges do you need |
| 19:54.08 | lcuk | and are these still 16bit ints |
| 19:54.23 | lardman | yeah, I need to sit down and work out what will be significant at the end of the calc |
| 19:54.48 | lardman | 16bit ints turn into 32bit ints by the end, with 2 or so multiplies by floats |
| 19:55.35 | lcuk | well 16*16 normally requires a 32bit result. thats nothing new, why get floats involved at all? |
| 19:55.45 | lardman | part of the spec |
| 19:56.12 | lcuk | is this the audio comp |
| 19:56.19 | lardman | yep, sbc |
| 19:59.39 | lcuk | lardman, wheres the spec you are pllaying with at the mo? is it online |
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| 20:00.34 | zap | hmm, what to do if I apt-get'ed sources of a package (in Ubuntu), then built it, it built fine but the version number contains "ubuntu" in it? |
| 20:00.47 | zap | should I change ubuntu into maemo? |
| 20:00.58 | lardman | lcuk: here: http://www.bluetooth.com/NR/rdonlyres/800D10CD-DE3D-4D51-ABC0-726C8DF26151/921/A2DPspecv10.pdf |
| 20:01.18 | Stskeeps | zap: afaik version doesn't matter anything.. |
| 20:01.55 | lardman | bbiab |
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| 20:02.21 | sp3000 | zap: I don't suppose there's much point in tweaking version unless you're changing something else |
| 20:02.30 | sp3000 | but I suppose m-vo can lecture on versions :P |
| 20:02.42 | zap | question is, will such a package be accepted into, say, maemo-extras? |
| 20:03.06 | m-vo | I can lecture on anything! |
| 20:04.38 | m-vo | zap, if you made no changes whatsoever, just keep the original version. |
| 20:05.06 | qwerty12_N800 | Lecture on why app manager has no never show nokia legal warning again button please? :p |
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| 20:06.00 | m-vo | Uhh, qwerty12_N800, i didn't really get what you are saying. |
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| 20:06.18 | m-vo | You want the legal notice dialog to go away? |
| 20:06.41 | m-vo | Ahh, no i can parse your sentence! :-) |
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| 20:06.48 | m-vo | s/no/now/ |
| 20:06.58 | qwerty12_N800 | Sorry, i type badly :/ |
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| 20:07.29 | m-vo | just some quotes missing... :) |
| 20:08.08 | rlinfati | Hi, how i can download the wayfinder map on my computer to after copy to my n800 ??? |
| 20:08.34 | m-vo | the legal notice dialog actually is there for legal reasons, i don't feel confident enough to just put in a red-pill mode setting... |
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| 20:09.51 | qwerty12_N800 | I can see your pov and i respect it. Ah well, I am thankfyul for it being open source. :) |
| 20:10.08 | qwerty12_N800 | s/thankfyul/thankful? |
| 20:10.14 | qwerty12_N800 | */ |
| 20:11.14 | m-vo | we can think about putting up the warning only once when activating uncertified repositories. |
| 20:11.58 | m-vo | let me put an entry into the FUTURE file... |
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| 20:16.50 | m-vo | qwerty12_N800, you could hack the 'domain' configuration and make all repositories 'certified', but that only works for signed repos. |
| 20:16.57 | m-vo | maemo Extras is not signed... |
| 20:18.50 | qwerty12_N800 | m-vo, i've already patched the application manager source not to show the message but then i have resort to apt pinning to make sure it doesn't show up in the update list. in the age and dawn of ssu, i don't wish to do that :) |
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| 20:21.17 | m-vo | qwerty12_N800, wanna try out the 'unlocked' version of the OS? :) That should allow you to install your own version of the AM. |
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| 20:21.54 | m-vo | apt-get install osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked |
| 20:22.04 | qwerty12_N800 | m-vo, I was for a while, remember the guy called faheem on your blog? :) |
| 20:22.29 | m-vo | Yeah, that was you? |
| 20:22.37 | qwerty12_N800 | Yeah :) |
| 20:22.51 | m-vo | Aha! |
| 20:23.09 | m-vo | So, why do you need to pin apt-get? |
| 20:23.32 | eichi | do you all use the dual-boot "option" ? |
| 20:23.34 | t_s_o | i just checked the update list in red pill mode, and i see a operating system package. hands off? |
| 20:23.57 | qwerty12_N800 | m-vo,because I reflashed to the final release of diablo :) |
| 20:24.38 | m-vo | t_s_o, it's not very useful right now, but should be harmless... |
| 20:25.20 | m-vo | Right, and your hacked version of hildon-application-manager has the same version as the official one? |
| 20:25.29 | qwerty12_N800 | yes |
| 20:28.04 | practisevoodoo | so how are you supposed to get this new release thingie? |
| 20:28.16 | m-vo | and apt-get wants to re-install the one from the repo because it is different? |
| 20:28.27 | milhouse | anyone successfully installed syslogd on a diablo device? |
| 20:28.40 | qwerty12_N800 | m-vo, yes :) |
| 20:28.58 | milhouse | looks like anything i try to install from http://maemo.org/development/tools/ is knackered |
| 20:29.10 | milhouse | unmet dependencies |
| 20:29.10 | m-vo | so the clean thing is to give yours a higher version, but the osso-software-version-rx34 doesn't allow it, right? |
| 20:29.36 | qwerty12_N800 | milhouse, i'm using a version that nokia appear to distribute internally fine on diablo ;) |
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| 20:30.38 | penguinb8 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=198240 (Android Anyone??) (thank Qwerty12) |
| 20:30.38 | milhouse | this is all i get: http://pastebin.ca/1059916 |
| 20:30.47 | penguinb8 | :) |
| 20:31.00 | milhouse | the only repositories i have are Extras (chinook version) and the diablo tools |
| 20:31.15 | milhouse | maybe i should disable chinook extras... |
| 20:33.25 | milhouse | disabling chinook extras made no difference |
| 20:33.38 | milhouse | be interesting to see if anyone else has a problem, then i'll report it |
| 20:36.54 | m-c | woah |
| 20:36.57 | m-vo | qwerty12_N800, what i am getting at is that you should install the osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked package. |
| 20:37.25 | qwerty12_N800 | m-vo, will do, thank you |
| 20:37.35 | m-vo | That will not touch any other package, but will allow the installation of higher versions of OS packages. |
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| 20:50.00 | sp3000 | milhouse: I've seen that mentioned somewhere |
| 20:50.23 | milhouse | got a link before I fire off an email to integration at maemo.org? :) |
| 20:50.39 | milhouse | just checked the mailing lists, didn't see anything obvious |
| 20:51.16 | sp3000 | yeah, I thought m-vo commented on it |
| 20:51.18 | sp3000 | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/38023 |
| 20:51.36 | milhouse | good man - thanks |
| 20:52.01 | sp3000 | so basically "just do as it says" |
| 20:52.17 | milhouse | tried -f still no joy |
| 20:52.26 | milhouse | still reading though :) |
| 20:54.09 | m-vo | milhouse, do "apt-get -f install" exactly, with no packages after the "install" |
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| 20:54.30 | m-vo | apt-get ought to have a "apt-get fix" command instead. |
| 20:54.44 | amir__ | hi |
| 20:54.49 | amir__ | test |
| 20:54.59 | milhouse | ah - thanks m-vo |
| 20:55.06 | milhouse | i was a bit slow there :) |
| 20:55.53 | sp3000 | yeah, -f install rather sounds like a --force |
| 20:56.11 | sp3000 | I'll vote for apt-get unfuck though |
| 20:56.29 | m-vo | :-) |
| 20:57.07 | m-vo | apt-get stop-whining-and-pull-yourself-together-willya |
| 20:57.07 | qwerty12_N800 | but i want me some apt-get fuck ;) :P |
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| 21:01.39 | Jaffa | Hmm. Trying to add an icon for my vim.desktop entry in the extras menu and instead of showing the icon, it's displaying a smaller version of the generic-app icon. Anyone seen that before? |
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| 21:09.08 | qwerty12_N800 | Jaffa, what's the size (pixel wise) of the icon? |
| 21:10.53 | Jaffa | Does it do any scaling or does it have to be exact? |
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| 21:13.59 | qwerty12_N800 | I'm looking at the skype-installer package, it has a 64x64 icon in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/hildon/skype.png and a 24x24 in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/26x26/hildon/skype.png. the menu item choses to display the 64x64 one and it does so successfully. |
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| 21:16.30 | Jaffa | ta. I was looking at mplayer and had no success copying it |
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| 21:18.44 | Jaffa | Hmm, no luck. Of course, the PNG file could be broken |
| 21:19.28 | qwerty12_N800 | Don't mean to act noob, but was gtk icon cache updated? |
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| 21:20.28 | Jaffa | Think so. I'll double check |
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| 21:24.47 | Jaffa | Aha, --force seems to have done something. Not the right something, but /something/ |
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| 21:27.44 | lardman | bmidgley: ping |
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| 21:28.00 | mgedmin | windy here ... |
| 21:28.14 | lardman | or indeed is there anyone about who is familiar with fixed point arithmetic? |
| 21:28.17 | Atarii | so does diablo fix the red pill bug in application manager, where you cant read the names? |
| 21:28.29 | Veggen | yes. |
| 21:28.31 | mgedmin | lardman: I about know what it is |
| 21:28.46 | mgedmin | not sure if that counts as 'familiar' |
| 21:28.54 | qwerty12_N800 | arithmetic? |
| 21:28.58 | qwerty12_N800 | runs |
| 21:29.05 | Jaffa | is a little familiar |
| 21:29.27 | lardman | mgedmin: I'm just wondering whether to keep the denominator factors(?) and left shift them all off at the end, or to do so after each multiply |
| 21:30.06 | Atarii | who was it that recompiled the applicaiton manager and removed the warning message? |
| 21:31.03 | qwerty12_N800 | me, but it needs updating for the latest version |
| 21:31.07 | mgedmin | lardman: wouldn't that risk overflow? |
| 21:31.26 | mgedmin | also, left shift? not right shift? |
| 21:31.36 | lardman | mgedmin: yes on both counts |
| 21:32.00 | Atarii | qwerty12_N800 would you think the diablo app-man would work in chinook? |
| 21:32.03 | lardman | should be dividing/right shifting after the multiply |
| 21:32.40 | qwerty12_N800 | Atarii, maybe after a lot of compiles. the diablo one uses newer apt. |
| 21:33.11 | Atarii | ah right |
| 21:33.23 | qwerty12_N800 | I once had it working in chinook using old apt and result was a bit ugly :/ |
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| 21:34.53 | Atarii | well i guess this is a good place to start developing, gives me a goal to aim for |
| 21:35.40 | m-vo | Atarii, if you just want to get rid of the legal notice dialog, hack the AM version in chinook. |
| 21:35.55 | m-vo | The sources are all there. |
| 21:36.20 | Atarii | i want to fix the names thing mostly |
| 21:37.03 | m-vo | ahh, you mean where long versions truncate the names? |
| 21:37.07 | Atarii | but good idea, ill start with the legal notice, as qwerty can give advice if i go wrong :p |
| 21:37.55 | lbt | is gio in diablo? |
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| 21:38.36 | m-vo | Atarii, the package list is now done with a Cairo cell renderer, but the code around it has not changed much. |
| 21:38.52 | m-vo | I think we even have it ifdeffed nicely so that you can see the changes |
| 21:41.55 | qwerty12_N800 | m-vo, just out of question, using osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked wouldn't affect ssu would it? |
| 21:42.38 | m-vo | no, you will still get the updates |
| 21:43.16 | m-vo | the difference between the normal and the -unlocked package is only the style of dependencies: -unlocked uses >=. |
| 21:43.56 | qwerty12_N800 | ah! oh, thank you |
| 21:43.57 | m-vo | Thus you get at least the official versions, but you can have higher ones. |
| 21:45.21 | mgedmin | cool |
| 21:45.28 | mgedmin | where do you get the -unlocked one? |
| 21:45.46 | m-vo | from the "Nokia System Sofware Updates" repository. |
| 21:46.03 | mgedmin | double cool! |
| 21:46.14 | qwerty12_N800 | heh, i remember good times with that repo... |
| 21:47.09 | m-vo | it's still there, we just don't update it everz week anymore. |
| 21:47.35 | m-vo | (obviously) |
| 21:48.14 | qwerty12_N800 | just out of question, how come ftd + nitro + sp-oops-extract was removed after adding the password? |
| 21:48.29 | m-vo | qwerty12_N800, if you spread the information about -unlocked: there are two packages, one for N800 (rx34) and one for N810 (rx44). People need to pick the right one. |
| 21:48.57 | m-vo | qwerty12_N800, it was a mistake that they were there in the first place. |
| 21:49.18 | qwerty12_N800 | m-vo, this was already spread when people were trying to install beta diablo :p :) |
| 21:50.07 | m-vo | Two mistakes happened with perfect timing: the password wasn't installed, and a internal variant of the OS that we use for testing was released to the 'public' repo. |
| 21:50.14 | qwerty12_N800 | m-vo, cannot deny I benefited from it. i stiill use ftd in the officialy released diablo |
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| 21:51.15 | m-vo | The second was my mistake, so I am happy that you benefit! :) |
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| 21:54.17 | qwerty12_N800 | :) . if you can say this, was a fixed ftd-plugin-bme ever distrobuted? |
| 21:55.50 | m-vo | no clue, sorry. |
| 21:58.42 | m-vo | Zzzzzz |
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| 21:59.13 | qwerty12_N800 | heh night, thank you for all the answers |
| 21:59.30 | m-vo | np! |
| 21:59.31 | Toba | thank you for all the questions. |
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| 22:11.28 | m-c | thank you qwerty12_N800 :) |
| 22:12.16 | qwerty12_N800 | m-c, np, but I forgot why :) |
| 22:13.09 | lcuk | lardman, with your scaled integers, have you chosen a fudge factor yet? did you identify the required domain |
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| 22:16.57 | lardman | lcuk: not especially, I think I'll just use Q15 for the floating point stuff |
| 22:17.16 | lardman | lcuk: then the DSP will be happy doing 16x16bit->32bit multiplies |
| 22:17.52 | lcuk | it will, and you should shift back down after each multiply operation |
| 22:18.04 | lardman | lcuk: DSP also does that |
| 22:18.05 | lcuk | this is unfortunately where the error ends up |
| 22:18.47 | lcuk | dsp does shift, or full automatic scaled integer math? |
| 22:19.03 | lardman | dsp will do Q15 x Q15 with a shift |
| 22:19.13 | lardman | in a single intrinsic |
| 22:19.20 | lcuk | nice |
| 22:19.33 | lardman | so will stick with that and see what the error is like |
| 22:19.53 | lardman | it also does saturation in the above multiply |
| 22:20.07 | lcuk | for years and years i was used to using fixed point math to do fractal calculations |
| 22:20.23 | lcuk | you get "near enough" for most cases |
| 22:20.50 | lardman | I've never had to think about it before :) |
| 22:21.16 | lardman | it's simple, until you start thinking about the errors (but then floating point has the same problems) |
| 22:21.31 | mgedmin | what's Q15? |
| 22:21.32 | lcuk | yer, it took me a while reading the fractint code and book |
| 22:21.54 | lcuk | 15 fractional bits |
| 22:21.57 | lardman | mgedmin: fixed point format, Q15 = fp * 2^15 |
| 22:22.16 | mgedmin | what does the 'Q' stand for in the name? |
| 22:22.40 | lardman | s/Q15 = fp * 2^15/Q15 = round(fp * 2^15) |
| 22:22.41 | lcuk | wikipedia doesnt know it just says the "Q" prefix |
| 22:22.44 | mgedmin | last saw fixed point formats like 16.16 or 8.24 |
| 22:23.07 | lardman | mgedmin: yeah same thing, it's Q0.15 |
| 22:23.23 | lcuk | actually, it does :D theres a whole article on it |
| 22:23.28 | lcuk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_%28number_format%29 |
| 22:23.38 | mgedmin | surely 1.15? |
| 22:23.50 | mgedmin | no |
| 22:23.52 | mgedmin | hm |
| 22:24.03 | mgedmin | what happens to the bit that's left over? |
| 22:24.05 | lardman | no, Q15 = Q0.15 |
| 22:24.10 | lardman | sign bit |
| 22:24.14 | lardman | I think |
| 22:24.14 | mgedmin | doh! |
| 22:24.28 | lcuk | thats why its not q16 |
| 22:24.52 | lardman | Still doesn't say why it;s called 'Q' :) |
| 22:26.40 | lcuk | http://focus.ti.com/lit/ug/spru565b/spru565b.pdf |
| 22:27.05 | lcuk | appendix a2 specifies the Q format used on your dsp |
| 22:27.10 | Mousey | crap |
| 22:27.11 | lcuk | if its ours |
| 22:27.37 | Mousey | what was it that had all the checkboxes for the LED notification? |
| 22:27.42 | lardman | lcuk: no, ours is c55 |
| 22:28.07 | qwerty12_N800 | Mousey, the display control panel |
| 22:28.13 | Mousey | ty |
| 22:28.40 | lardman | lcuk: No issues with the Q format though; just why the Q? |
| 22:29.03 | lcuk | lardman :) close enough then: the q format appears to hjave come from ti though as a descriptor for the shifted format. still no idea as to where it came from |
| 22:29.35 | lcuk | or rather why.. |
| 22:29.47 | lardman | quotient perhaps |
| 22:30.12 | lardman | anyway, bed time, will have to pre-process the coefficient tables tomorrow and see if the code runs :) |
| 22:30.33 | lardman | well it will run, see if it spits out the right noises :D |
| 22:32.13 | lcuk | qwerty12_N800, :P thanks, ill package the next one |
| 22:32.32 | qwerty12_N800 | :) |
| 22:33.08 | lcuk | qwerty12_N800, even a tar wouldnt help folks copying to mmc |
| 22:33.49 | qwerty12_N800 | True, but then, that's their fault :p |
| 22:34.30 | qwerty12_N800 | ultimate way is to make a deb but i'd say that's premature for a test version of a program :) |
| 22:34.47 | lcuk | my thoughts exactly |
| 22:34.47 | mgedmin | not necessarily |
| 22:34.57 | lcuk | does it run ok on peoples computers by the way |
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