| 00:00.11 | GeneralAntilles | t_s_o, did you ever file a bug on those right/down-shifted dialogs? |
| 00:00.34 | t_s_o | GeneralAntilles: nope, as they seems to have gone away after i had a reboot |
| 00:00.43 | GeneralAntilles | I saw one once |
| 00:00.49 | GeneralAntilles | So I can at least confirm that it happens. |
| 00:00.50 | t_s_o | and i have no clue what triggered it... |
| 00:01.23 | t_s_o | hell, im starting to wonder if i should reflash, and this time just forget about restoring from backup... |
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| 00:05.47 | t_s_o | one thing is sure tho, diablo seems to really have cleaned up the sensor issues on the screen :) |
| 00:06.36 | acydlord | hildon desktop keeps rebooting on me anytime i try to change any of the widgets though |
| 00:06.59 | t_s_o | hmm, dont think i have seen that happen |
| 00:07.17 | t_s_o | unless you happen to use omweather that is... |
| 00:07.38 | acydlord | yeah, its been doing it since i sinstalled it |
| 00:07.44 | acydlord | and i havent removed it yet |
| 00:07.54 | acydlord | and my bluetooth dun doesnt seem to want to work anymore |
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| 00:08.19 | t_s_o | dun works fine here |
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| 00:09.00 | t_s_o | love that update all button :D |
| 00:10.04 | Navi | Woo, update all |
| 00:10.26 | acydlord | yeah, dun isnt working for me |
| 00:10.37 | acydlord | right as my phone connects the n810 drops te connection and tells me failed |
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| 00:13.58 | t_s_o | crap crap crap, i think i just had gpe calendar eat all data in a sync :( |
| 00:14.39 | t_s_o | and it seems to have been interpreted as a approved change down the sync chain even... |
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| 00:15.04 | acydlord | suck |
| 00:15.37 | t_s_o | indeed. i figured i could restore the computers calender by resyncing with the one i had on the phone. but what happened was that the phone was emptied out as well :S |
| 00:16.37 | acydlord | i just use 30boxes to do all my cal mess |
| 00:16.46 | t_s_o | heh |
| 00:17.18 | acydlord | luckily i dont have to worry about an offline calendar |
| 00:18.14 | t_s_o | not big of a loss tho, as only one entry was not already expired... |
| 00:18.37 | t_s_o | im not surprised that it got deleted the way it was... |
| 00:18.37 | acydlord | thats good then |
| 00:18.53 | t_s_o | err, im just... |
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| 00:46.08 | acydlord | weird, python didnt show up in apt for me |
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| 00:47.02 | Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: Still here? |
| 00:49.16 | acydlord | ugh, bluetooth dun doesnt work worth a crap now |
| 00:49.19 | pupnik | oh by 5h3 2qy |
| 00:49.27 | pupnik | rudk 708 qll |
| 00:50.09 | pupnik | hey acydlord |
| 00:50.13 | pupnik | ever take acid |
| 00:50.13 | acydlord | yo |
| 00:50.19 | acydlord | not in a long time |
| 00:50.29 | pupnik | well then i want your opinion on something |
| 00:50.43 | pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1wnOUH2jk8 |
| 00:51.10 | pupnik | I AM ACYDLORD |
| 00:51.21 | acydlord | if i can get that to load, i'm working with sub dialup speeds at the moment |
| 00:51.47 | pupnik | yeah well, be less banal with your next nick |
| 00:52.24 | GeneralAntilles | trippy |
| 00:52.34 | pupnik | it's a fucking good video |
| 00:55.36 | acydlord | thats not loading for me at the moment |
| 00:55.47 | acydlord | my neighbors seriously need a better router |
| 00:56.35 | GeneralAntilles | Christmas is only 6 months away |
| 00:58.30 | acydlord | looks like i'm gonna have to go back to chinook if i want to be able to use my evdo |
| 00:58.42 | GeneralAntilles | DUN works fine here |
| 00:58.56 | acydlord | not for me for some reason |
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| 01:01.08 | acydlord | as soon as my phone says its connected the n810 says failed to connect |
| 01:02.35 | pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1wnOUH2jk8 |
| 01:02.37 | pupnik | watch |
| 01:02.41 | pupnik | GeneralAntilles: please |
| 01:02.46 | pupnik | as a favor to me |
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| 01:02.57 | GeneralAntilles | I did. :P |
| 01:02.59 | GeneralAntilles | It's trippy |
| 01:03.39 | pupnik | there's things toi thingt abkout |
| 01:03.48 | GeneralAntilles | Trippy isn't _bad_ |
| 01:04.00 | pupnik | i'm done man |
| 01:04.23 | pupnik | justg here to keep in touch with you and others |
| 01:04.29 | GeneralAntilles | Done? |
| 01:04.34 | pupnik | i'm so fucking done |
| 01:04.43 | pupnik | end. |
| 01:05.13 | GeneralAntilles | With Nokia? With the tablets? |
| 01:05.35 | pupnik | no danger of bye bye |
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| 01:20.31 | |penguinbait| | thats something to think about alright :) |
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| 01:51.19 | PhosphoricX | I'm trying to use PyBluez to receive on a Bluetooth RFCOMM socket, but it just hangs until I close the connection. Anybody have a similar issue? |
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| 04:09.09 | terbo | one dead n800. |
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| 04:09.20 | johnx | terbo, what happened to it? |
| 04:09.36 | terbo | ? |
| 04:09.48 | johnx | what made it a dead n800? |
| 04:09.56 | terbo | a flashing is whats happening to it .. besides that, nothing out of the ordinary ... |
| 04:10.05 | terbo | is puzzled. |
| 04:10.09 | GeneralAntilles | Is it charged? |
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| 04:10.38 | terbo | well... i was preparing to flash diablo. cleared a card, was going to partition it in case i had some of the problems described. |
| 04:10.42 | johnx | ah, well you said "one dead n800"...I was just curious |
| 04:11.04 | terbo | first, it stopped reaching a full battery. just kept charging. thought .. |
| 04:11.31 | terbo | still booted. then i removed the swap, had /var/cache/apt linked to the card, removed that directory, still worked fine .. |
| 04:12.15 | terbo | then just as i go to partition the card, get a few white screens. now its just reboot-looping with no cards in it, cards in it, battery left out for a bit ... all (most) data backed up .. |
| 04:13.39 | terbo | now when i plug in the a/c instead of going 'charging' (this is the last 2008) it shows the battery icon, then proceeds to boot. loop . . |
| 04:13.55 | terbo | :D fun. |
| 04:14.04 | GeneralAntilles | That's not "dead" |
| 04:14.14 | terbo | deader than i should have :( |
| 04:14.37 | terbo | sometimes the blue bar goes about 1/5 the way then loops. |
| 04:14.49 | terbo | shrug, im going to flash it anyway .. |
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| 04:16.19 | terbo | GeneralAntilles: do you think there is some way to get it to boot? |
| 04:16.34 | johnx | were you booting from SD? |
| 04:16.43 | terbo | no. |
| 04:19.07 | dyrge | has anyone had any luck with an sis usb vga dongle connection? |
| 04:19.39 | GeneralAntilles | Works fine here, dyrge. |
| 04:19.46 | GeneralAntilles | The software isn't really up to speed yet, though. |
| 04:20.13 | dyrge | what external resolutions does it support? |
| 04:22.16 | dyrge | i found software not up to speed on more than one occasion |
| 04:23.28 | dyrge | not to say i do not enjoy the software that works well on the platform |
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| 04:25.35 | johnx | yup, that's a side effect of the "release early, release often" mentality |
| 04:25.36 | GeneralAntilles | dyrge, it's very beta |
| 04:25.44 | GeneralAntilles | You have to invoke it from the commandline |
| 04:25.54 | GeneralAntilles | most things up to 1280x1024 |
| 04:26.28 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=175561 |
| 04:26.29 | dyrge | cool and it requires you to be in host mode i would suspect? |
| 04:26.36 | GeneralAntilles | Right |
| 04:26.37 | dyrge | thx |
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| 04:27.26 | johnx | makes a mental note to check out xpra (screen for X11) again later: http://partiwm.org/browser/README.xpra |
| 04:32.59 | dyrge | i read a few weeks ago about NOKIA wanting developers to write programs geared more toward enterprise and business |
| 04:33.18 | GeneralAntilles | "NOKIA"? |
| 04:33.32 | GeneralAntilles | Is that like "APPLE" and "MICROSOFT"? |
| 04:33.38 | dyrge | yes for the tablet market in general |
| 04:35.06 | m_mouser | He's asking about your use of all caps in Nokia, I think. |
| 04:35.44 | dyrge | sorry bout those |
| 04:36.18 | Proteous | NOKIA ALWAYS NEEDS ALL CAPS |
| 04:36.37 | m_mouser | I don't mind. |
| 04:36.56 | Proteous | L3375P34K 700, N0K14!!! |
| 04:37.09 | Proteous | *cough* |
| 04:37.25 | GeneralAntilles | puts a cap in Proteous's ass. |
| 04:37.54 | dyrge | i guess it just of interest to me since my employer purchased my N810 |
| 04:39.50 | m_mouser | Ah. I'd really like to see stronger and more full-featured PIM apps. |
| 04:40.36 | dyrge | it fills my heart with joy knowing i am using a linux based device to support windows |
| 04:41.38 | dyrge | pim tools and and open office would be great |
| 04:43.06 | dyrge | i deal with most of that through remote sessions but would love to have something running native |
| 04:43.59 | m_mouser | I think it might choke on full-fledged OOo, but Abiword should be enough in the meantime before a mobile version is developed and ported. |
| 04:44.57 | dyrge | anyone else use a tablet in their workplace? |
| 04:45.34 | dyrge | well a .doc viewer would be beautiful at the least |
| 04:45.40 | m_mouser | I do. |
| 04:46.50 | dyrge | i support about 500 pc's with mine |
| 04:47.05 | m_mouser | Wow. |
| 04:47.13 | dyrge | with help from remote sesions ofcourse |
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| 04:48.00 | dyrge | but if you have to support a windows machine VNC will be your best friend |
| 04:49.46 | dyrge | it's pretty slick to show someone an entire windows desktop at 800 x 480 on my 810 |
| 04:50.08 | m_mouser | I'm just beginning to learn VNC & SSH, and have found the wiki tutorials very outdated |
| 04:50.32 | dyrge | do you have to work with windows much |
| 04:50.39 | GeneralAntilles | Which wiki? |
| 04:51.29 | m_mouser | General: I'll check. |
| 04:52.09 | m_mouser | Dyrge: Quite a lot, unfortunately. |
| 04:52.12 | dyrge | most all i needed to know was on itt and the vnc part is painless |
| 04:52.26 | dyrge | tell you what i did |
| 04:53.56 | dyrge | to keep from messing up my main xp machine I created a Virtual PC with XP and VNC any other programs i need and size the desktop to 800x480 it's a perfect fit when you remote in |
| 04:54.48 | dyrge | if you have enough RAM and a spare xp Key to for the host machine |
| 04:55.04 | terbo | dyrge: what of rdesktop? |
| 04:55.13 | m_mouser | General: The SSH article I found was for the 770. |
| 04:55.24 | GeneralAntilles | m_mouser, what wiki? ;) |
| 04:55.27 | GeneralAntilles | There are 3 |
| 04:55.28 | GeneralAntilles | itT |
| 04:55.29 | GeneralAntilles | old maemo.org |
| 04:55.32 | GeneralAntilles | and new maemo.org |
| 04:55.35 | GeneralAntilles | itT pretty much sucks |
| 04:55.39 | GeneralAntilles | old maemo.org is, well, old |
| 04:55.42 | GeneralAntilles | new maemo.org is the future |
| 04:55.43 | GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page |
| 04:55.44 | dyrge | nope just ultra VNC with the VNC viewer any VNC server will work |
| 04:56.23 | terbo | I liked rdesktop better, automatic scaling, but without a keyboard (n800) it wasn't as functional as vnc |
| 04:56.25 | dyrge | rdesktop doesn't work well on my network |
| 04:56.39 | terbo | oh, why not? |
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| 04:57.27 | dyrge | no idea i can use windows to remote but on the 810 it dies 90% of the time and if it logs it i do not know where |
| 04:57.56 | dyrge | at home on my workgroup rdesktop works everytime |
| 04:57.57 | m_mouser | General: it was probably from ITT. |
| 04:58.36 | dyrge | it maybe something with the domain |
| 04:59.26 | dyrge | but probably it's the wireless management device |
| 05:00.28 | dyrge | we packet shape and packet filter |
| 05:00.39 | terbo | ah. |
| 05:01.11 | dyrge | i try to connect on the windows rdesktop port |
| 05:01.30 | dyrge | it says "No Way" |
| 05:01.55 | terbo | so you create an 800x400 windows desktop to connect to? how was that again? |
| 05:02.17 | dyrge | download virtual pc 2007 |
| 05:02.26 | dyrge | it's free install xp |
| 05:03.12 | dyrge | then VNC server , resize it to 800 x 480 and it fits perfect |
| 05:03.18 | terbo | cool. |
| 05:03.27 | terbo | or use it as an alternate input device. ;) |
| 05:04.25 | dyrge | it's nice to use office on the go but the office button in 2007 doesn't work so consider 2003 |
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| 05:05.59 | dyrge | i wish i had the talent to port somethings over to OS2008 |
| 05:07.09 | terbo | like what? |
| 05:07.34 | dyrge | something that opens .doc would be great |
| 05:07.43 | doc|home | ! |
| 05:07.48 | doc|home | likes not being open :( |
| 05:08.01 | Navi | luls |
| 05:08.04 | terbo | to edit or to view? |
| 05:08.05 | Navi | opens doc|home |
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| 05:08.32 | doc|home | deads |
| 05:09.12 | dyrge | well you know they all have to use windows so Office goes hand in hand |
| 05:09.37 | terbo | has had the problem once, and just converted to html, maybe even pdf |
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| 05:10.11 | dyrge | that works but i get lots of attachments in my email |
| 05:10.37 | dyrge | guess what file format they use |
| 05:10.43 | dyrge | not RTF |
| 05:10.55 | terbo | hmm... tiff? lol |
| 05:11.22 | dyrge | docx most of the time |
| 05:11.22 | GAN800 | google docs works fine |
| 05:12.03 | doc|home | wait a minute, isn't there an abiword port for maemo? |
| 05:12.13 | doc|home | that should open .docs |
| 05:12.35 | dyrge | i haven't found one |
| 05:12.37 | GAN800 | There is, but it's still in beta. |
| 05:12.58 | GAN800 | You're more than welcome to compile the svn. |
| 05:13.51 | dyrge | i am a hardware/software support guy i need to be friend a few people who can complie things..:) |
| 05:14.06 | dyrge | er compile |
| 05:14.57 | doc|home | hasn't compiled for maemo :/ |
| 05:15.11 | dyrge | i have had classes and such but have found i do not have a knack for code |
| 05:15.35 | dyrge | i can google it to death though |
| 05:15.58 | doc|home | hehe, it takes an idea and some time |
| 05:16.08 | doc|home | motivation to solve a problem is all you need :) |
| 05:16.36 | dyrge | i solve things out of necessity mostly and pure luck at times |
| 05:16.52 | terbo | was going to flash diablo .. but got caught up into reading about scratchbox |
| 05:17.07 | Navi | Gross |
| 05:17.08 | Navi | dockx |
| 05:17.10 | Navi | er |
| 05:17.13 | Navi | docx |
| 05:17.32 | dyrge | it breaks up into xml at least |
| 05:17.43 | dyrge | nothing like .doc |
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| 05:18.33 | dyrge | supporting windows pay the bills buys mygadgets and feeds my family so i can't complain |
| 05:19.14 | dyrge | but i am a true fan of open source at heart |
| 05:19.24 | dyrge | just don't tell my boss |
| 05:23.11 | dyrge | well i need to go work awaits me tomorrow nice chatting with you all |
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| 05:24.42 | GAN800 | compiling is not coding. ;) |
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| 05:25.03 | terbo | make install -> small script. ;0 |
| 05:26.48 | RST38h | boo, all |
| 05:27.18 | GAN800 | boo, you |
| 05:35.16 | RST38h | GAN: Did you have browserd hang in memory eating 11-18MB AFTER you quit all MicroB windows? |
| 05:36.24 | GAN800 | Probably |
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| 05:36.39 | GAN800 | I'm guessing the changelog may reveal more. |
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| 05:43.23 | RST38h | has not found anything about this misfeature in the changelog |
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| 05:44.05 | GAN800 | There is no changelog yet. |
| 05:44.07 | RST38h | Browserd *is* being described as the resident part of MicroB but it is not clear why it stays in memory when microb is not running |
| 05:44.20 | RST38h | There was a comment on what browserd does |
| 05:44.42 | GAN800 | I manages microb windows |
| 05:45.40 | GAN800 | s/I/It/ |
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| 05:48.07 | RST38h | GAN: Not exactly. Let us see what dpkg --status says: |
| 05:48.21 | RST38h | Description: Network server exposing web engines functionaly using dbus-glib bindings |
| 05:48.29 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:48.29 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:48.29 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:48.29 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:48.29 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:48.30 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:48.32 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:49.40 | RST38h | Now I see why it would linger in memory: afaik there is no way to explicitely make dbus service close after use |
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| 06:02.09 | corevette | i know it's possible for my nokia 770 to control my pc via VNC, but can i do it vice versa? (control my 770 with a VNC?) |
| 06:02.55 | terbo | try synergy, if its control you want, though if you want to log in, there is an x11vnc server somewhere |
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| 06:19.30 | terbo | squiggles |
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| 06:32.33 | Proteous | geeks.com has a bluetooth german layout keyboard for $6.00. Bought one, gonna see if I can hack it into an old NES controller to play emulated games on my n810 |
| 06:36.19 | terbo | ? |
| 06:36.31 | terbo | :) |
| 06:37.19 | terbo | wonders if 770's have u.fl connectors somewhere ... |
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| 06:40.31 | terbo | german keyboard for $6USD? put into a nes controller? hope you document it if its successful ;) |
| 06:41.08 | Proteous | I'll take pictures |
| 06:41.19 | Proteous | well, we will see if it even works |
| 06:41.28 | Proteous | I don't know how big the board in the keyboard are yet |
| 06:41.46 | terbo | goes to hop on geeks |
| 06:42.48 | terbo | is lovin the $60 16gb sdhc |
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| 06:45.35 | terbo | wow, thats rad, and the only blue keyboard i see there |
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| 07:02.04 | gomiam | erm... ¿how can I transfer my old email to modest? I'm googling up and down and I can't find a simple way (and modest doesn't know about importing, it seems= |
| 07:02.30 | doc|home | gomiam: don't, use claws, modest = ass |
| 07:03.19 | gomiam | doc|home: mmm... yet another mail client? |
| 07:03.38 | doc|home | gomiam: yep, better than modest though |
| 07:03.38 | gomiam | does claws have a way to store mails on the memory cards? |
| 07:03.43 | doc|home | gomiam: yep |
| 07:03.51 | doc|home | it has imap and pop |
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| 07:04.06 | gomiam | ok, I guess I'll have to take a look at it |
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| 07:07.24 | gomiam | fortunately, I have no critical mail on modest right now. |
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| 07:11.03 | macoute | gomiam: you shouldnt, ever :) |
| 07:11.24 | gomiam | XD |
| 07:11.36 | macoute | you should be using imap and have your mails backed up by your isp |
| 07:11.50 | macoute | or whoever provides you the email service |
| 07:12.21 | gomiam | I have had little problem with the standard Maemo mail client, since I use it mostly por emergency mail reading. |
| 07:12.48 | gomiam | that's why I didn't want to bother replacing modest with anything. |
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| 07:49.52 | terbo | god .... *still* downloading scratchbox |
| 07:50.40 | gomiam | terbo: don't worry. It will fail at 87% |
| 07:50.41 | gomiam | XD |
| 07:51.45 | terbo | :) thanks, I was just going to try some make install scripting, anyway |
| 07:51.54 | terbo | err, cooding |
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| 07:52.54 | keesj | terbo: install scripting? |
| 07:53.06 | terbo | make install joke |
| 07:53.15 | terbo | no just gonna try some custom kernel stuff. |
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| 07:58.01 | terbo | specifically, I want to put my name in the version string. :D |
| 08:00.07 | keesj | you can pay me 5 euro to do that if you want |
| 08:00.51 | lbt | EXTRAVERSION = .4-david |
| 08:01.13 | lbt | l33t hack |
| 08:02.00 | terbo | err, how about you can pay me 10US to not laugh at you? :) |
| 08:02.20 | terbo | or we can just pay each other |
| 08:02.21 | keesj | that is ony 6 euro :p |
| 08:02.33 | terbo | dang non exporting economies. :/ |
| 08:02.38 | terbo | dang having only one usb port :/ |
| 08:02.58 | lbt | or $300 |
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| 08:24.33 | hrw | morning |
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| 08:31.04 | keesj | hello hrw |
| 08:34.03 | hrw | who use adv-backlight applet? |
| 08:34.10 | GeneralAntilles | I do. |
| 08:34.18 | X-Fade | Me too. |
| 08:34.52 | GeneralAntilles | andre___, poke. |
| 08:34.55 | Navi | Me |
| 08:36.34 | hrw | one thing then... do you think that applet 'window' should close when tapped outside of it? |
| 08:37.10 | GeneralAntilles | Of course. |
| 08:37.25 | GeneralAntilles | You want to figure out exactly how Nokia makes their applets work, hrw? ;) |
| 08:39.54 | hrw | GeneralAntilles: ;) |
| 08:40.18 | hrw | ~curse 1Mbit connections |
| 08:40.18 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, 1Mbit connections ! |
| 08:40.52 | aquatix | hrw: fwiw, i like pop-upped applets closing when tapping outside of it |
| 08:41.00 | GeneralAntilles | hrw, as it stands, adv-backlight is using something of a hack and the Nokia applets are using something more of a hack. |
| 08:41.30 | GeneralAntilles | The result being that the current implementation for adv-backlight kinda sucks and rm_you's been unable to figure out exactly how Nokia goes about making their applets work the way they do. |
| 08:41.43 | macoute | btw. does pidgin crash on your diablo quite frequently? |
| 08:42.02 | macoute | especially when accepting (or even having pending) buddy requests |
| 08:43.19 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, can you poke somebody about https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3341 and maybe https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3342 ? Quim requested it. |
| 08:43.30 | macoute | hehe, seems like a way to lick new owners ass http://plazes.com/groups/1226 |
| 08:44.24 | hrw | GeneralAntilles: whole maemo.... hack on hack on hack |
| 08:45.21 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I will ping Ferenc about it, when he is awake. |
| 08:45.30 | GeneralAntilles | Thanks! |
| 08:45.42 | aquatix | anyone having problems with xmpp/jabber accounts in Collabora? |
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| 09:04.10 | RST38h | timeless: hey, are you there? |
| 09:09.29 | GeneralAntilles | Are the sprint meetings likely to usually be around the end/beginning of the month? |
| 09:09.48 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: See the schedule on the 100days page. |
| 09:10.32 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, right, I see. Thanks. |
| 09:11.06 | X-Fade | We plan to make the channel moderated so the 'maemo team' can do their progress reports and after that open it up for questions. |
| 09:11.29 | X-Fade | I've put the logger in place, so I can publish the irclog later. |
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| 09:12.38 | GeneralAntilles | We need to do a dry-run on the Maemo-meeting procedure at some point. |
| 09:13.25 | GeneralAntilles | I don't think we have enough of an agenda to bother trying do it before GUADEC. |
| 09:13.55 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: yeah, but Sprints and Maemo-meetings will be different. |
| 09:14.01 | GeneralAntilles | Right |
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| 09:14.20 | X-Fade | Although we will use the same channel to keep it simple ;) |
| 09:14.30 | GeneralAntilles | Freenode's services change may make things harder. |
| 09:14.40 | GeneralAntilles | I don't know if you can do a voice-by-default anymore. :\ |
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| 09:15.37 | GeneralAntilles | So it may come down to doing it through a bot or just manually. |
| 09:17.05 | X-Fade | It seems I can easily voice everybody manually. |
| 09:17.27 | andre___ | GeneralAntilles, pong |
| 09:18.03 | GeneralAntilles | Two things, the "Clone This Bug" link should probably be made editbugs-only. |
| 09:18.33 | GeneralAntilles | and is #3313 really an enhancement? :P |
| 09:19.32 | andre___ | hmm, so you really think that these both are related? |
| 09:19.35 | keesj | can we learn the bot about bug numbers? |
| 09:19.42 | melmoth | X-Fade: Do you know if whoever is in charge of the autobuilder was able to have a look at the sword i386 empty package in the repo i mentionned last week ? |
| 09:19.54 | melmoth | X-Fade: or, better, do you know where should i open a formal bugzilla ? |
| 09:20.14 | andre___ | GeneralAntilles, about "Clone this bug", can you file a bug against Website/Bugzilla? :-D |
| 09:20.30 | GeneralAntilles | Will do. |
| 09:20.34 | X-Fade | melmoth: A yes, I wanted to ask you to try to upload the -5 to the chinook autobuilder. So we can see if it is SDK related. |
| 09:20.47 | GeneralAntilles | andre___, they both seem to stem from issues with saved connections. |
| 09:20.58 | melmoth | ok. Will try this out either this afternoon or tomorrow |
| 09:21.08 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody more familiar with icd should probably confirm that, but that's my suspicion. ;) |
| 09:21.24 | X-Fade | melmoth: And so we can really rule out packaging issues on your end. |
| 09:21.29 | andre___ | GeneralAntilles, I will forward 3313 once I have an answer to my question other there. Thanks! |
| 09:21.31 | GeneralAntilles | keesj, poke TimRiker about it. |
| 09:21.40 | melmoth | fair enough. I'll let you know what happen |
| 09:21.49 | X-Fade | melmoth: I'll be watching ;) |
| 09:25.19 | GeneralAntilles | andre___, done. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3350 |
| 09:26.27 | andre___ | GeneralAntilles: cool, thanks. having bug reports is an easier way to let karsten do all the work instead of me ;-))) |
| 09:27.39 | GeneralAntilles | Now THAT sounds like a plan. :D |
| 09:30.34 | andre___ | GeneralAntilles, btw, is bug 3289 a regression or has this always been like that? |
| 09:30.56 | andre___ | (maybe you've made some backups in the past and know, while i didn't do) |
| 09:31.01 | GeneralAntilles | Regression |
| 09:31.28 | GeneralAntilles | I poked Texrat about that one, so it went in through some sort of internal channel about a month ago. |
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| 09:32.10 | andre___ | ok, going to forward then |
| 09:32.18 | crashanddie_ | does anyone know where I could get info about libesd? |
| 09:32.33 | hrw | crashanddie_: on esound website? |
| 09:32.49 | crashanddie_ | it would seem esd is completely useless these days, no website, no support |
| 09:32.58 | hrw | I wonder when maemo will switch to pulseaudio |
| 09:33.25 | RST38h | what are the advantages? |
| 09:34.07 | hrw | RST38h: to say the true I have no idea - just see that other projects are going that way |
| 09:34.20 | crashanddie_ | lighter, better performance, better architecture, apps don't need to implement it, up to date |
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| 09:35.00 | RST38h | Will it provide /dev/dsp API? Please? |
| 09:35.13 | hrw | RST38h: you mean 'OSS api'? |
| 09:35.30 | RST38h | hrw: Well, the generic subset of it, anyway |
| 09:36.02 | hrw | I am not application developer so did not checked |
| 09:36.03 | crashanddie_ | pulseaudio is already backwards compatible with esd, OSS is yet another plugin |
| 09:36.30 | crashanddie_ | but. yeah, it can |
| 09:37.19 | RST38h | well, dev/dsp is actually a device not a library |
| 09:37.32 | RST38h | so supporting it as "yet another API" is nt trivial |
| 09:37.47 | hrw | and usually does not support more then one sound at time |
| 09:38.06 | hrw | but I do not know when my systems had /dev/dsp last time |
| 09:38.24 | RST38h | Actually, ALSA will support multiple clients |
| 09:38.30 | hrw | few years ago when I had es1371 card probably |
| 09:38.46 | macoute | which is the better calendar, gpe-cal or mcalendar? |
| 09:38.53 | RST38h | Dunno, it is still pretty standard. More standard than esound, anyway |
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| 09:39.02 | macoute | and how about syncing from outlook? |
| 09:39.03 | hrw | macoute: why not pimlico dates? |
| 09:39.22 | macoute | hrw: you have the free to point me to other, more correct directions as well :) |
| 09:39.59 | dneary | dedum... |
| 09:40.00 | macoute | hrw: youd say that is the best one? |
| 09:40.13 | hrw | macoute: no, I just added 3rd to the list |
| 09:40.14 | dneary | hates time pressure for presentations |
| 09:40.54 | florian_ | good morning |
| 09:40.54 | dneary | I have 2 presentations to prepare today... one on accessibility in GNOME, and another on building bridges between projects |
| 09:40.55 | dneary | Morning Herr Boor, wie geht's? |
| 09:41.03 | macoute | danke gut, und du? |
| 09:41.15 | macoute | entschuldigung, und Sie? :) |
| 09:41.37 | macoute | mein Deutsch ist nicht so gut :) |
| 09:41.39 | hrw | jak to dobrze gdy wszyscy sie rozumiejÄ
;) |
| 09:42.03 | florian | dneary: Ganz gut... aber auch keine Langeweile :-) |
| 09:42.21 | macoute | hrw: so you dont have any suggestions regarding my calendar problem? Do you know about the sync from outlook? |
| 09:42.38 | RST38h | Won |
| 09:42.40 | hrw | macoute: I do not use pim under os2008 |
| 09:42.41 | dneary | keine Langweile? |
| 09:42.42 | RST38h | 't sync to outlook |
| 09:42.51 | RST38h | May sync with Google Calendar. |
| 09:42.55 | dneary | Ich suche im Google Language Tools |
| 09:42.56 | macoute | RST38h: any of them wont? |
| 09:43.02 | RST38h | macoute: yep |
| 09:43.41 | florian | dneary: boredom iirc |
| 09:44.24 | dneary | ah |
| 09:44.26 | dneary | No boredom |
| 09:45.04 | dneary | macoute: Wir können dudichen. |
| 09:46.09 | macoute | dneary: dudichen? |
| 09:46.22 | dneary | I don't know if you say that in German |
| 09:46.28 | dneary | "tutoyer" in French |
| 09:46.37 | dneary | "call each other du instead of Sie" |
| 09:47.05 | macoute | dneary: ah, sinutella in finnish (sinä == you) |
| 09:47.06 | crashanddie | dneary, quite hard to express in english |
| 09:48.19 | macoute | Ich suchte Google für dudichen aber könnte nichts finden |
| 09:48.59 | crashanddie | please speak english |
| 09:49.21 | ccooke | macoute: but you *will* find hits for tutoyer |
| 09:49.23 | macoute | thats fine for me, considering my skills in germany :) |
| 09:50.02 | crashanddie | ok, what are you guys trying to find ? |
| 09:50.20 | ccooke | and for anyone curious: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-V_distinction |
| 09:50.37 | crashanddie | http://french.about.com/library/begin/bl_tuvsvous.htm |
| 09:50.41 | crashanddie | http://french.about.com/od/vocabulary/g/tutoyer.htm |
| 09:50.43 | macoute | crashanddie: i was actually looking for a calendar application for maemo, which could sync to outlook |
| 09:51.02 | crashanddie | so where the f did the whole tutoyer stuff come from ? |
| 09:51.31 | ccooke | macoute: if you find one, let me know! |
| 09:51.45 | hrw | macoute: speaking of mcalendar... I never saw it before but now after having a look I would not even try it on my tablet |
| 09:51.53 | macoute | ccooke: it seems that the syncing must be done via 3rd party application |
| 09:52.02 | macoute | hrw: really? |
| 09:52.35 | hrw | macoute: I just refuse to use maemo packages which are created in ugly style |
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| 09:54.55 | hrw | all those 'chmox +x /usr/bin/mcalendar' in post install scripts... |
| 09:55.11 | hrw | or using wrapper scripts in /usr/bin/ |
| 09:56.09 | hrw | or renaming files in post install scripts (ukmp) |
| 10:02.29 | lardman | morning |
| 10:02.37 | hrw | hi simon |
| 10:02.43 | GeneralAntilles | Hey, lardman. |
| 10:02.43 | lardman | hi Marcin |
| 10:02.54 | lardman | Anything exciting happen over the weekend? |
| 10:03.08 | GeneralAntilles | andre___, something to put on your consideration-list is changing "IT OS" to "Maemo" for the OS field. |
| 10:05.55 | andre___ | oh yeah. that one confused me too |
| 10:06.14 | andre___ | though we first have to define the maemo scope :-P |
| 10:06.57 | GeneralAntilles | Well, mostly clear enough for that, anyway, methinks. http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_brand#Definitions |
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| 10:34.08 | keesj | why can't I find the changes required to add extras as reposutory in the sdk |
| 10:34.34 | keesj | I am turing around and following links and wiki pages and in progress pages |
| 10:34.43 | keesj | following external links |
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| 10:38.29 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody happen to have a matched set of icons that might work for "proposed", "accepted", "ongoing" and "completed" for a task banner? |
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| 10:44.04 | keesj | GeneralAntilles: sounds like workflow stuff |
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| 10:46.19 | GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Template:Task |
| 10:46.23 | GeneralAntilles | Is what I need it for |
| 10:46.57 | GeneralAntilles | Who turned off svg uploading on the wiki? :\ |
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| 10:56.15 | keesj | and who removed the Help in formatting |
| 10:56.23 | RST38h | GA: http://www.enhydra.org/images/twescreenshot.jpg |
| 10:56.43 | RST38h | GA: You can pic icons from there, it is open source afaik |
| 10:56.50 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm, I guess it was never enabled, as it's disabled by default in a new mediawiki install. |
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| 10:58.27 | ustunozgur | Wouldn't it be more logical if "New Chat" brought up Online contacts as default rather than All contacts? |
| 11:02.07 | RST38h | GA: http://www.cuteflow.org |
| 11:02.43 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, might use this set: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Pictogram_voting_wait.svg |
| 11:02.46 | GeneralAntilles | They're public domain |
| 11:03.12 | RST38h | nice |
| 11:03.25 | RST38h | the problem is to find the whole set in the same style though |
| 11:03.26 | GeneralAntilles | I just need to make the checkmark green. |
| 11:03.34 | GeneralAntilles | See the Other versions field. |
| 11:03.40 | GeneralAntilles | He's got a bunch of them |
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| 11:03.53 | crashanddie_ | I HAVE MY DEGREEEEEEEEEE |
| 11:04.00 | RST38h | yea, I see it, but are you sure that the color alone will be enough to denote state? |
| 11:04.01 | GeneralAntilles | For Men? |
| 11:04.17 | lardman | crashanddie_: congrats |
| 11:04.26 | RST38h | is going to dig wikimedia a bit more |
| 11:04.29 | GeneralAntilles | Proposed: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg |
| 11:04.43 | GeneralAntilles | Accepted: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg |
| 11:04.45 | crashanddie_ | thanks |
| 11:04.49 | GeneralAntilles | Ongoing: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/Pictogram_voting_wait.svg |
| 11:04.58 | GeneralAntilles | Completed (in green): http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/Pictogram_voting_keep.svg |
| 11:12.58 | RST38h | "Accepted" probably won't do |
| 11:13.25 | lcuk | crashanddie_ nice one! |
| 11:13.40 | aquatix | crashanddie_: congrats! |
| 11:13.45 | aquatix | which degree? :) |
| 11:13.45 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I agree. |
| 11:14.18 | lcuk | hes just worked out how far from kevin bacon he is |
| 11:14.56 | RST38h | GA: How about finding icons along these lines: |
| 11:15.11 | RST38h | Proposed: arrow leading into an enclosure (bucket, box, etc) |
| 11:15.27 | RST38h | Ongoing: same enclosure with a rotating (?) gear inside |
| 11:16.19 | RST38h | Accepted: like proposed but qithout question sign (proposed should have question sign) |
| 11:16.27 | RST38h | Completed: arrow leading out of the enclosure |
| 11:17.34 | GeneralAntilles | Be easier just to make 'em |
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| 11:19.13 | andre___ | hmm... so can garage project maintainers disable the GForge bugtracker for their project? anybody knows whether this is easily possible? |
| 11:19.14 | macoute | inz: you have had some serious problems with your irssi today? |
| 11:19.22 | andre___ | (i'm wondering about modest) |
| 11:19.33 | macoute | inz: host keeps changing and you keep on connecting/disconnecting |
| 11:19.59 | inz | macoute, according to my status window, that was yesterday |
| 11:20.25 | macoute | inz: ah, thats true. 23:49 |
| 11:20.37 | macoute | for the last time |
| 11:20.38 | inz | macoute, somewhy irc.ipv6.freenode.net failed to resolve last night and I did not reconnect to freenode... |
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| 11:20.53 | GeneralAntilles | andre___, why the hell are they tracking bugs there? :\ |
| 11:22.34 | inz | macoute, but indeed seems I dropped out of ircnet some 5-ish times |
| 11:22.50 | macoute | inz: yeah, i was actually talking about ircnet |
| 11:23.15 | macoute | you reconnecting here with another host just remembered me about the situation |
| 11:23.43 | inz | Jaffa, it is already scalable, but there's no real data sources |
| 11:24.43 | andre___ | GeneralAntilles, well. because it wasn't official part of the platform before diablo was released |
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| 11:25.58 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, but there's been a Bugzilla component for forever. |
| 11:27.18 | andre___ | oh, i didn't know that. now that makes it confusing |
| 11:27.25 | andre___ | i thought it was more recently |
| 11:28.03 | GeneralAntilles | Either way, the garage tracker for it needs to be closed down ASAP and migrated. |
| 11:30.43 | GeneralAntilles | Earliest bugzilla bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2536 Earlist garage tracker bug: https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1742&group_id=9&atid=109 |
| 11:32.12 | andre___ | haha, great... entropy... |
| 11:32.29 | andre___ | just preparing an email on that, also about changing the components names in maemo bugzilla, but first got to grab some breakfast :-) |
| 11:33.17 | macoute | btw. you do recommend claws over modest, right? |
| 11:33.33 | GeneralAntilles | Depends on the person. |
| 11:33.38 | macoute | is there a way to mark messages as read just by selecting it in modest? |
| 11:33.39 | GeneralAntilles | I personally use and very much like Modest. |
| 11:34.08 | macoute | GeneralAntilles: is it possible in Modest? Now I need to click it open, so it takes about 2-3 secs per message, just to mark it as read |
| 11:34.26 | macoute | (i know i can do it from menu as well, but thats about the same time. even a shortcut would be nice) |
| 11:34.45 | GeneralAntilles | There's a menu option, I believe |
| 11:34.48 | GeneralAntilles | Don't recall right now. |
| 11:34.52 | GeneralAntilles | Er, yeah. |
| 11:35.00 | macoute | i read my emails in very various ways, so i often have messages unread, though i have read them somewhere else |
| 11:35.38 | GeneralAntilles | Why does Illustrator fail on these svgs? <_< |
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| 11:45.14 | GeneralAntilles | Woo, crashing apache threads. |
| 11:45.16 | GeneralAntilles | Funfunfun |
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| 12:00.20 | lcuk | meh! its dinner time and my 810 is dead. the last i saw of it was last night it told me "unplug from mains to save power" i disconnected network and locked it :( |
| 12:01.00 | lcuk | goes back to the stoneage. |
| 12:01.03 | lcuk | anyone got a pencil? |
| 12:01.19 | rm_you | no <_< |
| 12:01.30 | lcuk | you got the source code for a pencil? |
| 12:01.35 | rm_you | maybe |
| 12:01.40 | rm_you | looks around |
| 12:01.42 | lcuk | :D heh |
| 12:01.54 | aquatix | apt-get source pencil |
| 12:02.03 | rm_you | just have the binarys for a Bic, too bad they're closed source <_< |
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| 12:02.19 | lcuk | but they are easy to disassemble |
| 12:03.08 | rm_you | sleeps |
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| 12:03.19 | aquatix | rm_you: nn |
| 12:03.25 | lcuk | takes notes in blood |
| 12:03.26 | lcuk | gnite rm |
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| 12:07.36 | aquatix | lcuk: blood and your n8x0 stylus? |
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| 12:15.53 | lcuk | aquatix, i dont think my stylus would break the skin. and i wouldnt get bloodstains off the metalic bezel on the 810, so it looks like i will be etching onto a cave wall or something |
| 12:17.10 | lcuk | though, its a bit invonvenient to carry around a whole cave system. i would prefer my 810 battery to just last the distance |
| 12:17.49 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, I cleaned this out a bit (still not great), might be worthwhile to coordinate the Extras stuff from here for now: https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Consolidation_of_Extras |
| 12:19.35 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Thanks, I am planning to write more documentation too. I just have to find some time for it ;) |
| 12:19.49 | GeneralAntilles | Don't kill yourself. :) |
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| 12:23.12 | GeneralAntilles | lol . . . http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/mediawiki-crap.png |
| 12:24.03 | keesj | :p |
| 12:27.25 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Nah, I'm just busy with ironing out issues in builder/promoter we haven't seen while testing. |
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| 12:29.03 | GeneralAntilles | Is it me, or has Darius been medicated? |
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| 12:30.27 | X-Fade | Yeah, totally different person. |
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| 12:39.13 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, lol . . . |
| 12:39.19 | lcuk | :D |
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| 12:46.28 | hrw | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3265 |
| 12:46.36 | hrw | lovely maemo bugs.. |
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| 12:55.13 | RST38h | hrw: Wonderful |
| 12:55.35 | hrw | I also like 3315 bug |
| 12:55.40 | RST38h | is still unsure which one of Modest and the new MicroB is more broken |
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| 12:56.06 | RST38h | Modest is more obvious of course. But MicroB bug seems to be more fundamental |
| 12:56.07 | crashanddie_ | I didn't have any problems... |
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| 12:56.21 | RST38h | crash: look at the process list |
| 12:56.23 | johnx | microb has a couple annoying bugs |
| 12:56.24 | hrw | ~curse lack of wget |
| 12:56.25 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, lack of wget ! |
| 12:56.38 | RST38h | You will see browserd process taking 15MB of your memory or so |
| 12:56.46 | GeneralAntilles | I'm not convinced that browserd's memory usage is all that critical. |
| 12:56.54 | GeneralAntilles | I mean, how much of that will be released easily when needed? |
| 12:56.55 | RST38h | Notice that it will stay there even after you quit all MicroB windows |
| 12:57.02 | wazd | lo all) |
| 12:57.05 | RST38h | GA: None |
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| 12:57.14 | johnx | hi wazd |
| 12:57.23 | RST38h | GA: As far as I can tell, Load applet shows actual memory taken by the process |
| 12:57.38 | RST38h | Won't be released unless you kill the process |
| 12:57.42 | crashanddie_ | Rst38h, isn't that because it keeps a rendered copy of past history in memory? |
| 12:58.12 | RST38h | crash: My guess is that it is because browserd is a dbus server and there is really no way to close dbus server once it is not needed |
| 12:58.43 | RST38h | So the actual problem is that memory-hungry web browser should NOT be made a resident server |
| 12:59.07 | timeless | inz: ping |
| 12:59.13 | crashanddie_ | Well I fail to see the disadvantages |
| 12:59.27 | crashanddie_ | the idea is good, it just needs some finetuning |
| 12:59.45 | inz | timeless, pong |
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| 13:00.14 | johnx | I'm with RST38h on this one. There's no reason to have the browser engine running all the time on such a memory limited device |
| 13:00.24 | crashanddie_ | I mean, if you want to be memory efficient, the best thing to do would be to to regroup all recurrent stuff of multiple browsers into one single process |
| 13:01.11 | crashanddie_ | sure, it should be able to free the memory when not needed, but the idea is not fundamentally bad |
| 13:01.20 | aquatix | it also seems MicroB is a tad slower/less responsive since diablo |
| 13:01.28 | aquatix | but that might be subjective |
| 13:01.35 | crashanddie_ | I have quit the oposite feeling |
| 13:01.52 | crashanddie_ | placebo effect for both of us, prolly |
| 13:01.54 | aquatix | maybe i should reboot my tablet |
| 13:02.04 | aquatix | played too much with it :) |
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| 13:02.34 | johnx | at least since flashing diablo I haven't had the browser suck up all my memory...I ran into that a couple times in the "pre-release" diablo |
| 13:02.54 | aquatix | according to load applet's Processes list, hilden-desktop takes 14MB, which sounds like a cause too |
| 13:03.31 | aquatix | modest keeps crashing in the background with imap(s) account though :/ |
| 13:03.32 | johnx | but that should be including all shared libs, all statusbar applets and all desktop applets |
| 13:03.37 | aquatix | true |
| 13:03.46 | admin_ | hey, is there any way on the n770 to make the kernel not boot in 'quiet' mode, so you can watch something like this during bootup, http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-sugar-olpc/figure3.jpg ? |
| 13:03.48 | aquatix | but i thought i remember it being somewhat less in chinook |
| 13:03.54 | aquatix | but my memory might be faulty ;) |
| 13:03.58 | timeless | RST38h: my understanding is that the browserd gets restarted between "Sessions" |
| 13:04.06 | timeless | so it doesn't actually retain all the memory you think it does |
| 13:04.28 | RST38h | timeless: well, it continues to linger after microb quits |
| 13:04.37 | timeless | no |
| 13:04.39 | timeless | you can't count |
| 13:04.42 | RST38h | timeless: Actually, there are two copies. One (2MB footprint) is always present |
| 13:04.44 | timeless | power your device off |
| 13:04.47 | timeless | right |
| 13:04.53 | timeless | there should be 1 copy always present |
| 13:05.02 | timeless | and another copy which gets restarted between sessions |
| 13:05.04 | timeless | check the pid |
| 13:05.06 | RST38h | The second one (11-18MB footprint) starts with microb and stays after I quit it |
| 13:05.19 | timeless | its pid should change between closing of the last window and some time t |
| 13:05.28 | aquatix | i don't have a browser window open, and have a 11MB browserd process |
| 13:05.30 | RST38h | timeless: The memory footprint numbers are from the load applet, they are not "potential" memory allocation |
| 13:05.42 | timeless | rst38h: please use htop in terminal |
| 13:05.44 | RST38h | timeless: See aquatix's comment |
| 13:05.45 | aquatix | (according to load applet's Processes list) |
| 13:05.47 | timeless | anything else is just stupid |
| 13:05.54 | aquatix | tries top |
| 13:05.58 | RST38h | timeless: will do, as soon as I get home tonight |
| 13:05.59 | timeless | aquatix: yes, that's intentional |
| 13:06.12 | timeless | but it's not supposed to remember everything you had from the last session |
| 13:06.20 | timeless | it's supposed to be a new browser daemon for the next time |
| 13:06.22 | RST38h | ok, so the second browserd lingering is intentional? |
| 13:06.25 | timeless | so that the browser starts quikcly |
| 13:06.35 | aquatix | top says 67364 virtual size |
| 13:06.38 | RST38h | all right. and the footprint may be reported wrongly? |
| 13:06.39 | timeless | rst38h: as long as the pid doesn't match the pid you had for your first instance |
| 13:06.39 | aquatix | 11MB? |
| 13:06.51 | timeless | aquatix: 11mb seems right |
| 13:06.55 | aquatix | hm |
| 13:06.57 | timeless | virtual size is garbage |
| 13:07.01 | timeless | it's all the .so files |
| 13:07.02 | aquatix | true |
| 13:07.09 | RST38h | timeless: sure about it? |
| 13:07.14 | timeless | if you quote vs to me again, i'll never talk to you again |
| 13:07.15 | timeless | ok? :)} |
| 13:07.16 | admin_ | hey, is there any way on the n770 to make the kernel not boot in 'quiet' mode, so you can watch something like this during bootup, http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-sugar-olpc/figure3.jpg ? |
| 13:07.20 | aquatix | 53% mem top says |
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| 13:07.39 | RST38h | What is vs? |
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| 13:07.42 | timeless | aquatix: from top, what interests me is the pid |
| 13:07.53 | aquatix | 7378 |
| 13:08.06 | RST38h | oh virtual size |
| 13:08.06 | timeless | as long as it doesn't match the pid from your previous browsing session, it's working as designed |
| 13:08.07 | aquatix | ppid is 1324 |
| 13:08.07 | johnx | admin_, I have no idea about the 770, but there is a way to do it on the n800 |
| 13:08.07 | timeless | start browser, check pid, quit browser, wait, check pid |
| 13:08.07 | aquatix | ah |
| 13:08.11 | timeless | ppid = parent pid = useless |
| 13:08.16 | aquatix | check |
| 13:08.22 | hrw | admin_: recompile kernel with other CMDLINE |
| 13:08.24 | aquatix | tries with new browser window |
| 13:08.57 | johnx | admin_, on the n8x0 at least you also need a kernel or module with fbcon support as the default kernel doesn't have it |
| 13:10.12 | aquatix | now 1324 (31.8% mem) and 7378 (74.6% mem); after closing it's 7536 (53% mem), so it opens a new process indeed |
| 13:10.18 | aquatix | still, i think it's much memory |
| 13:10.20 | admin_ | ok johnx |
| 13:10.26 | aquatix | and still not opening really fast |
| 13:10.29 | admin_ | hrw: have you done that before? |
| 13:10.36 | aquatix | is getting some coffee |
| 13:10.39 | aquatix | bbiab |
| 13:10.54 | crashanddie_ | btw, anyone tried to interface with esd in the past ? |
| 13:11.00 | johnx | aquatix, if that is from top it is a *LIE* |
| 13:12.52 | wazd | Anyone going to Berlin in september?) |
| 13:13.41 | macoute | whats there then? |
| 13:13.50 | GeneralAntilles | OSiM |
| 13:13.56 | macoute | ah ok |
| 13:13.56 | hrw | admin_: Poky kernels for 770 and n8x0 are not quiet |
| 13:13.59 | wazd | OSiM |
| 13:14.14 | hrw | wazd: I will probably attend |
| 13:14.17 | GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 |
| 13:14.30 | wazd | I'm really thinking of) |
| 13:14.37 | timeless | aquatix: anyway, if it's opening a new processs, it's working as designed |
| 13:14.46 | timeless | and the only number that matters is htop's private |
| 13:14.51 | timeless | i don't care about any other measurement |
| 13:15.04 | timeless | clear? :) |
| 13:15.22 | RST38h | aquatix: Could you run htop? |
| 13:15.28 | admin_ | hrw: what's a Poky kernel |
| 13:15.39 | RST38h | can't get to his tablet to test right now |
| 13:16.27 | johnx | admin_, a kernel from "Poky Linux" |
| 13:16.37 | admin_ | is there something that can be done to /mnt/initfs/linuxrc? |
| 13:16.39 | johnx | runs htop |
| 13:16.40 | admin_ | ok |
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| 13:17.29 | johnx | oh, well that's exciting. modest has stuck open with 93% CPU usage |
| 13:17.38 | timeless | nice |
| 13:17.38 | johnx | no wonder my battery power went fast today :| |
| 13:17.52 | admin_ | is anyone using poky kernel? |
| 13:17.57 | timeless | might i suggest browser+gmail? :) |
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| 13:18.15 | johnx | timeless, the problem is I really *like* modest |
| 13:18.24 | timeless | indeed, that clearly is a problem :) |
| 13:19.36 | johnx | what column should I look at in htop? |
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| 13:20.07 | macoute | johnx: hmm, wonder if i have the same problem :/ |
| 13:20.15 | macoute | timeless: browser+gmail is kinda slow |
| 13:20.23 | johnx | painfully slow |
| 13:20.30 | macoute | plus it doesnt support offline mails |
| 13:20.51 | macoute | so its generally useless, though as a web ui it is brilliant |
| 13:20.52 | johnx | I guess there is a gmail notifier that I could use, and tell modest to stop checking via imap |
| 13:20.59 | RST38h | johnx: I am actually getting 300+% from Modest after a while |
| 13:21.15 | macoute | so should i move to claws? :P |
| 13:21.20 | timeless | macoute: which gmail? |
| 13:21.24 | RST38h | johnx: Usually does it after crashing, so you do not really see it. In the morning, I can easily detect it - the tablet is WARM |
| 13:21.33 | timeless | macoute: fwiw, there's probably a google gears for maemo somewhere |
| 13:21.40 | timeless | w/ that, offline mail should work :) |
| 13:21.41 | johnx | 300% CPU time? |
| 13:21.46 | johnx | riiiight |
| 13:21.49 | RST38h | johnx: yep |
| 13:22.32 | timeless | macoute: https://mail.google.com/mail/x/ https://mail.google.com/mail/h/ https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=1 |
| 13:22.34 | timeless | which do you use? |
| 13:22.39 | RST38h | timeless: GMail is a definite answer but to me this situation has now taken a political turn, of a kind |
| 13:22.42 | timeless | (there's also an iphone ui, but i don't know the ui) |
| 13:22.52 | timeless | rst38h: i'm a browser dev |
| 13:23.03 | RST38h | timeless: I know, not complaining about you :) |
| 13:23.05 | timeless | i'm going to advocate for the browser in the presence of inferrior alternatives :) |
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| 13:23.17 | johnx | timeless, :P |
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| 13:23.34 | RST38h | timeless: But it is shame on Nokia for not being able to provide a decent email client |
| 13:23.55 | johnx | anyways, what column should I look at in htop to get a sense for browserd's real memory usage? |
| 13:23.56 | RST38h | They call it an *internet* tablet! |
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| 13:24.11 | timeless | rst38h: the internet in your hand comes from the web browser :) |
| 13:24.23 | RST38h | timeless <-- sneaky =) |
| 13:24.23 | timeless | that's why i'm working on it :) |
| 13:24.25 | johnx | RST38h, at least it's open source for once. Maybe I'll try running it in strace |
| 13:24.36 | timeless | johnx: strace isn't useful |
| 13:24.42 | timeless | and doesn't need things to be open source |
| 13:24.51 | timeless | valgrind and friends take advantage of open source |
| 13:24.55 | johnx | those were two different thoughts |
| 13:24.59 | timeless | oh |
| 13:25.02 | timeless | ok :). |
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| 13:25.12 | timeless | anyway, um... dunno, ask sp3000 which column to use :) |
| 13:25.25 | johnx | if I appear to have made two sentences that make sense together...it's just a coincidence |
| 13:25.27 | RST38h | johnx: I dont give a damn whether it is open source or not |
| 13:25.27 | timeless | i think my device will probably speak russian to me if i asked today |
| 13:25.42 | RST38h | johnx: It has to work first. Being open source is optional. |
| 13:26.04 | johnx | well if it's open source, theoretically someone can fix it if they care enough. |
| 13:26.08 | RST38h | äÞ, timeless, ÍÀÚÃÞÐÅÊÝÌÍ |
| 13:26.22 | timeless | rst38h: i didn't say my irc client was utf8 aware |
| 13:26.28 | timeless | or that i spoke russian (neither of which are true) |
| 13:26.28 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
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| 13:26.47 | dneary | GeneralAntilles: Hi there |
| 13:26.50 | RST38h | timeless: No, you just said that your device would speak Russian to you |
| 13:26.59 | dneary | timeless: Thanks for your feedback |
| 13:27.01 | admin_ | hey, I just 'installed' poky, but I turn the n770 on, and I just get the NOKIA blue letters on white, it doesn't seem to be going anywhere |
| 13:27.01 | timeless | correct, and it did, for about 2minns |
| 13:27.05 | GeneralAntilles | Hey, dneary. |
| 13:27.08 | timeless | dneary: when do we see the results? :) |
| 13:27.09 | mgedmin | that doesn't look like utf-8 russian to me |
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| 13:27.13 | dneary | GeneralAntilles: The wiki slowness thing... |
| 13:27.25 | GeneralAntilles | . . . makes me want to die. |
| 13:27.31 | timeless | heh |
| 13:27.32 | dneary | I think it might in part be because MediaWiki's installed on the same box as Midgard |
| 13:27.37 | timeless | heh |
| 13:27.40 | dneary | They may be competing for resources |
| 13:27.41 | timeless | oh, i could look at that! |
| 13:27.45 | RST38h | It's probably cp1251, I do not really know as it is the first time I type cyrillics in this terminal |
| 13:27.54 | dneary | timeless: Hmmm |
| 13:27.55 | GeneralAntilles | gives mediawiki a howitzer. |
| 13:27.57 | dneary | Tricky issue |
| 13:27.57 | X-Fade | dneary: I know for sure that that is the reason.. |
| 13:28.03 | admin_ | oh yay it booted |
| 13:28.04 | *** part/#maemo admin_ (n=ro3@ool-182dec15.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 13:28.04 | dneary | Maybe never, in the form you saw it |
| 13:28.11 | GeneralAntilles | What's the timeframe on those server upgrades? :( |
| 13:28.14 | timeless | top - 16:28:11 up 91 days, 10:47, 2 users, load average: 0.23, 0.31, 0.32 |
| 13:28.14 | timeless | Tasks: 101 total, 1 running, 100 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie |
| 13:28.22 | timeless | Linux maemo-midgard 2.6.16-xenU20060830 #1 SMP Wed Aug 30 11:35:40 EEST 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 13:28.26 | timeless | eww, it's a vm? |
| 13:28.40 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: This month, hopefully. |
| 13:28.41 | RST38h | http://htop.sourceforge.net/128.png <--- yesssss, yessss, my preciousss |
| 13:28.42 | timeless | does xen expose information about total cpu usage, or only virtual? |
| 13:29.07 | dneary | timeless: Apparently some people were uphappy with having a list published, Quim thinks that encouraging to update their profiles, and having some kind of marker in the karma list if someone is from Nokia is better |
| 13:29.09 | X-Fade | timeless: I'm not sure what box you are on, but it is not the correct one ;) |
| 13:29.15 | RST38h | aquatix: Could you paste the whole htop line for browserd ? |
| 13:29.22 | timeless | x-fade: bugs.maemo.org :) |
| 13:29.24 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, so, like, uh today? |
| 13:29.32 | timeless | (bugs_and_lists)timeless@maemo-midgard:~$ |
| 13:29.43 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Ehm next month ;) |
| 13:29.52 | timeless | dneary: having been bitten w/in 1 day of someone marking me as nokia |
| 13:30.01 | timeless | and having already expressed my reservations to you about my name |
| 13:30.04 | timeless | i can't say i'm surprised |
| 13:30.08 | X-Fade | timeless: The wiki is not running on that one. |
| 13:30.34 | *** join/#maemo admin_ (n=ro3@ool-182dec15.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 13:30.44 | dneary | timeless: So I'll be looking for feedback at the spring meeting this evening on how we should go about this task |
| 13:30.55 | timeless | x-fade: great |
| 13:30.59 | timeless | what are "lists" :) |
| 13:31.11 | admin_ | johnx , hrw: just installed poky, there's no wifi? |
| 13:31.13 | X-Fade | timeless: Mailinglists. |
| 13:31.15 | sp3000 | yeah I noticed someone slipped me a company hat on bugzilla last week |
| 13:31.17 | timeless | and is midguard still here, if not, should the box get a new name? |
| 13:31.28 | sp3000 | so much for trying to fly under the foot-in-mouth radar! :) |
| 13:31.29 | timeless | sp3000: yeah, on saturday |
| 13:31.32 | johnx | admin_, I guess not. I don't work with poky |
| 13:31.36 | X-Fade | timeless: There is no midgard on that box in use. |
| 13:31.42 | timeless | sp3000: actually, technically, the hat was probably something i gave you |
| 13:31.55 | timeless | but someone showed our hats to the world (guenther) |
| 13:32.04 | timeless | sp3000: if you want your hat removed, i can remove it :) |
| 13:32.05 | hrw | admin_: no one is allowed to distribute wifi modules |
| 13:32.16 | hrw | admin_: no one == non-Nokia |
| 13:32.34 | timeless | sp3000: help |
| 13:32.43 | timeless | how does one get "private" memory usage from htop? |
| 13:32.57 | timeless | heck, where's the fkey on my n810 keyboard? :) |
| 13:33.33 | admin_ | :O |
| 13:33.36 | admin_ | that sucks |
| 13:33.37 | *** part/#maemo admin_ (n=ro3@ool-182dec15.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 13:34.06 | timeless | and is there a bug filed that the up/down buttons in the xterm toolbar shortcut dialog don't highlight correctly when tapped? :) |
| 13:34.15 | timeless | even the browser does a better job :o |
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| 13:37.04 | hrw | wazd: how goes omweather 0.21? |
| 13:37.07 | timeless | pokes sp3000 |
| 13:37.15 | sp3000 | ow |
| 13:37.55 | timeless | proxy(eero)->ping(htop) |
| 13:38.17 | dneary | The worst thing is, I feel like I'm missing "important" discussions all the time |
| 13:38.52 | X-Fade | dneary: Which ones? |
| 13:39.00 | dneary | There's so much information, between ITT, mailing lists, wiki changes (we have >400 wiki edits per day at the moment), garage uploads, ... |
| 13:39.14 | timeless | dneary: treat itt and mailing lists as spam :) |
| 13:39.19 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
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| 13:39.41 | johnx | and yet sometimes interesting stuff shows up there |
| 13:39.42 | timeless | is kinda surprised about the garage bit |
| 13:39.48 | johnx | reminds me of my old hotmail account |
| 13:39.54 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 13:39.57 | timeless | heh |
| 13:40.05 | dneary | I try to filliw ITT and wiki updates via a feed reader, but the RSS feed for ITT only includes new threads, not all comments (and still has about 80 new entries per day), and the RecentChanges feed has > 400 posts per day... |
| 13:40.23 | RST38h | dneary: It may be worth t create a customized Google search for Maemo stuff |
| 13:40.34 | dneary | I manage to keep track of Garage |
| 13:40.34 | GeneralAntilles | Recent changes feed is pretty weak overall. |
| 13:40.47 | dneary | Oh - then there's Planet Maemo, maemo news |
| 13:40.49 | GeneralAntilles | dneary, turn on the js for the RecentChanges page on the wiki and watch that. |
| 13:40.55 | timeless | hrm, did someone fix planet-maemo? |
| 13:40.59 | dneary | js? |
| 13:40.59 | timeless | the last time i tried, it crashed |
| 13:41.01 | GeneralAntilles | It groups stuff together so it's a little easier to get an overview. |
| 13:41.30 | RST38h | timeless: shows ok now |
| 13:41.30 | sp3000 | timeless: something about browserd? |
| 13:41.37 | GeneralAntilles | dneary, https://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Preferences Recent changes tab -> "Enhanced recent changes (JavaScript). |
| 13:41.40 | timeless | sp3000: how to get "private bytes" |
| 13:41.41 | RST38h | timeless: but do notice that livejournal.com pages now take way too much time to load in microb |
| 13:42.04 | RST38h | timeless: same with mail.yahoo.com, but I am not sure whether it was better on previous microb |
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| 13:42.17 | timeless | rst38h: try this |
| 13:42.19 | timeless | 1. load https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?product=Browser |
| 13:42.23 | timeless | 2. click any bug link |
| 13:42.26 | timeless | 3. load http://planet.maemo.org/ |
| 13:42.48 | RST38h | wait let me copy&paste these instructions so that I can try them tonight |
| 13:42.56 | timeless | brother |
| 13:43.01 | timeless | you don't need a device |
| 13:43.08 | timeless | any cookie enabled browser will work |
| 13:43.08 | RST38h | ok |
| 13:43.37 | timeless | step 2 is probably optional |
| 13:44.07 | RST38h | timeless: looks more or less fine, except that left baloon borders do not show up entirely |
| 13:44.19 | timeless | rst38h: hrm |
| 13:44.22 | timeless | no fair |
| 13:44.23 | RST38h | FF3 |
| 13:44.31 | RST38h | Shit wait |
| 13:44.40 | RST38h | It opened in the evil IE6 browser |
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| 13:45.34 | RST38h | Ok, it opened just fine in FF3, all borders intact |
| 13:45.37 | timeless | /proc/`pidof browser`/status is the raw details |
| 13:45.40 | timeless | rst38h: this is planet? |
| 13:45.45 | timeless | i'm getting: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3347 |
| 13:45.45 | RST38h | yes |
| 13:46.00 | RST38h | XP machine |
| 13:46.01 | *** join/#maemo VRe__ (n=vre@vre.iki.fi) |
| 13:46.43 | RST38h | Not getting any problems. BUT there are two catches: 1) it is XP 2) it is going through a proxy in Santa Clara |
| 13:47.10 | timeless | i can reproduce this by sending the exact session listed in the bug report |
| 13:47.52 | timeless | oh wait |
| 13:47.57 | timeless | are you logged into bugzilla? |
| 13:48.08 | timeless | (and maemo.org) |
| 13:48.37 | X-Fade | timeless: I can't reproduce it either. |
| 13:48.37 | RST38h | no |
| 13:48.48 | RST38h | logging in |
| 13:49.30 | timeless | because i'm getting the same bug w/ a straight telnet connection |
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| 13:50.24 | timeless | hrm, is my php session id something someone can steal from me? |
| 13:50.25 | RST38h | Logged into both, went from bugzilla to planet, everything fine except that planet seems to have lost my login |
| 13:50.30 | timeless | heh |
| 13:50.40 | RST38h | trying again |
| 13:50.44 | timeless | https: != http: |
| 13:50.53 | X-Fade | RST38h: yes, but that is because you use http instead of https. |
| 13:50.56 | timeless | but you might check cookies, it's possible you lost your cookie |
| 13:50.58 | X-Fade | Yeah, what he said ;) |
| 13:51.05 | RST38h | says https |
| 13:51.17 | RST38h | let me do it once again, cleanly |
| 13:51.20 | timeless | so um... if it says https and you lost your cookie then someone helpfully ate it |
| 13:51.27 | RST38h | ah |
| 13:51.35 | timeless | which of course is a related bug |
| 13:51.50 | timeless | anyway, it'd be nice if the bugzilla cookie was *not* sent to *.maemo.org |
| 13:51.58 | RST38h | Every time I try to click login, it quietly moves me from http to https |
| 13:52.02 | timeless | i don't want evil.garage.maemo.org to have my bugzilla cookies :) |
| 13:52.19 | sp3000 | timeless: I don't see it in the available columns list |
| 13:52.23 | RST38h | does not ask to reenter credentials, just switches from http to https |
| 13:52.30 | timeless | sp3000: ... |
| 13:52.31 | timeless | thanks |
| 13:52.51 | timeless | sp3000: so um. which /proc/pid/status field is closest? |
| 13:52.59 | GeneralAntilles | 2 days, is it, now without spam on the wiki? Wonder why they moved on. . . . |
| 13:53.30 | RST38h | they will be back as soon as they are done with other wikis |
| 13:53.50 | RST38h | you should patiently wait your turn in line |
| 13:53.50 | GeneralAntilles | really wants a resolution on the issue one way or the other. |
| 13:54.04 | timeless | rst38h++ |
| 13:54.16 | RST38h | make people authenticate themselves and present them with a squiggle |
| 13:54.17 | GeneralAntilles | fanoush went and threw a wrench into the consensus. :< |
| 13:54.35 | timeless | all spammers are busy, please wait, your need for spam will be addressed when the next spammer is available |
| 13:55.15 | RST38h | GA: Does fanoush want or does not want authentication? |
| 13:55.56 | timeless | hrm |
| 13:56.01 | timeless | i can't seem to log into mameo.org |
| 13:56.05 | timeless | s/me/em/ |
| 13:56.36 | X-Fade | load average: 12.33, 10.25, 7.86 |
| 13:56.48 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, he wants to allow anonymous edits. |
| 13:57.27 | timeless | why? |
| 13:57.35 | timeless | ok, using https works |
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| 13:58.23 | GeneralAntilles | Well, a few reasons. The gist of it is that barriers to entry to a wiki have a negative impact. |
| 13:58.28 | *** join/#maemo DarkenCZ (n=michal@rb3g230.net.upc.cz) |
| 13:58.31 | DarkenCZ | Hi |
| 13:58.50 | GeneralAntilles | You lose the, "I don't have an account, but I see a typo here and I'm going to fix it" drive-by-editors. |
| 13:59.17 | GeneralAntilles | Which are fairly significant editors in a wiki ecosystem. |
| 13:59.24 | sp3000 | timeless: like res-shr? |
| 13:59.28 | RST38h | GA: How about he takes responsibility for moderating anonymouses? =) |
| 13:59.35 | timeless | sp3000: sounds right |
| 13:59.38 | timeless | is that what i want? |
| 13:59.54 | DarkenCZ | Hi, I just tried to install maemo-sdk with scratchbox and gentoo. When I start af-sb-init.sh, I get this reply: Starting Maemo Launcher: maemo-launcherstart-stop-daemon: Unable to start /usr/bin/maemo-launcher: Exec format error (Exec format error) |
| 13:59.55 | *** join/#maemo Capn_Fish (n=Capn_Fis@ktaylor.dsl.visi.com) |
| 13:59.57 | timeless | gan: how about we require everyone to use ff3 and the spellchecker |
| 14:00.01 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, that was my response to the guy who suggested queing up anonymous edits for moderation. :D |
| 14:00.12 | timeless | heh |
| 14:00.18 | timeless | oh yeah, that'd work |
| 14:00.19 | DarkenCZ | I guess it's something with that arm vs. i386 stuff :) |
| 14:00.20 | GeneralAntilles | timeless, or OS X. ;) |
| 14:00.21 | hrw | DarkenCZ: on x86 or other? |
| 14:00.27 | timeless | gan: fine w/ me |
| 14:00.38 | Capn_Fish | johnx / Stskeeps: You guys here? |
| 14:00.39 | DarkenCZ | htw: x86 |
| 14:00.44 | johnx | Capn_Fish, afraid so |
| 14:00.48 | Capn_Fish | fair enough |
| 14:00.51 | Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: i am |
| 14:00.59 | Capn_Fish | Nice! Two for one! |
| 14:01.07 | johnx | Capn_Fish, how's it going? |
| 14:01.08 | GeneralAntilles | The problem really is that we simply don't have the bots, or the manpower that wikipedia does. |
| 14:01.12 | Capn_Fish | Pretty well |
| 14:01.20 | sp3000 | timeless: maybe |
| 14:01.25 | Capn_Fish | The Debian install script failed on chrooting, though :( |
| 14:01.34 | GeneralAntilles | and expecting a half-dozen people to keep up with the spam isn't very realistic. |
| 14:01.42 | DarkenCZ | I used the scripts from maemo.org |
| 14:01.45 | Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: could you pastebin the error? |
| 14:01.50 | Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: i had an odd fail on ext3 myself |
| 14:01.54 | RST38h | GA: I do not see how you can have anonymouses and no spam at the same time |
| 14:01.56 | RST38h | But... |
| 14:02.00 | Capn_Fish | Ummm.....I'd have to reproduce it |
| 14:02.08 | Stskeeps | was it post-debootstrap? |
| 14:02.16 | RST38h | GA: How about asking anonymouses to type contents of a squiggle? |
| 14:02.18 | Capn_Fish | I believe so |
| 14:02.20 | GeneralAntilles | Well, implementing a CAPTCHA would be a good first step. |
| 14:02.46 | GeneralAntilles | The OTHER problem that's specific to use is the fact that all edits over http show up as 127.0.0.1 |
| 14:03.00 | GeneralAntilles | So you can't actually ban individual spammers. |
| 14:03.00 | Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: The rootfs will start to boot from Fanoush's initfs, at least (no screen refresh, but no fail message) |
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| 14:03.04 | keesj | if (os == linux) allow |
| 14:03.17 | sp3000 | so what's the current problem? are we getting anon spam? (I suppose we will eventually anyway) |
| 14:03.18 | Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: as in it brings up consolefb? |
| 14:03.24 | Capn_Fish | No :( |
| 14:03.28 | Capn_Fish | hang on |
| 14:03.29 | GeneralAntilles | sp3000, quite a bit of it over the last two weeks. |
| 14:03.37 | sp3000 | login or captcha seems like a reasonable iteration |
| 14:04.01 | RST38h | GA: The 127.0.0.1 thing sounds more like a wiki bug |
| 14:04.04 | Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: My SD card has what looks like a fairly complete rootfs on it |
| 14:04.08 | GeneralAntilles | I've been banning 127.0.0.1 (which as the effect of disallowing anonymous edits over http) for 24-hour periods until we figure out whether we want to allow or disallow anonymous editing. |
| 14:04.14 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, it has to do with the http proxy. |
| 14:04.19 | GeneralAntilles | They show up fine over https |
| 14:04.42 | Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: does /etc/init.d/usbnet-emergency-telnetd exist? (just trying to trace where it failed) |
| 14:04.52 | RST38h | GA: Oh |
| 14:05.00 | Capn_Fish | k |
| 14:05.03 | Capn_Fish | hang on |
| 14:05.09 | GeneralAntilles | The point that dneary made (which I very much agree with), was that it's preferable to know who's making edits. |
| 14:05.41 | Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: Nope. |
| 14:05.53 | Capn_Fish | Shall I just run the install again and get the exact error? |
| 14:06.01 | RST38h | GA: No argument here |
| 14:06.08 | GeneralAntilles | Even registered users frequently edit anonymous if they forget to login (there's actually a mediawiki plugin to login-on-edit, but I can't seem to find it again). |
| 14:06.20 | RST38h | GA: Can http->https proxy setup be changed so that ip addresses DO pass through? |
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| 14:06.29 | Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: does /nit-base-packages exist? |
| 14:06.44 | Capn_Fish | yes |
| 14:06.49 | Stskeeps | hmm |
| 14:06.55 | Capn_Fish | Shall I just run the install again and get the exact error? |
| 14:07.05 | GeneralAntilles | I mean, stuff like this (https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Task%3AMaemo_brand&diff=2641&oldid=2502) is quite useful, but there are downsides. |
| 14:07.07 | sp3000 | I guess it's reasonable for mediawiki to expect proxies to lie |
| 14:07.08 | Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: lemme just give you a python script so you dont' have to debootstrap all over again |
| 14:07.15 | Capn_Fish | OK |
| 14:07.19 | Capn_Fish | That would be nice :) |
| 14:07.24 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I'm sure something could be done about it. |
| 14:07.35 | Capn_Fish | I already did it twice, and got the same error both times |
| 14:07.39 | DarkenCZ | Hi, I just tried to install maemo-sdk with scratchbox and gentoo. When I start af-sb-init.sh, I get this reply: Starting Maemo Launcher: maemo-launcherstart-stop-daemon: Unable to start /usr/bin/maemo-launcher: Exec format error (Exec format error). How can I launch arm binary from scratchbox? It's x86 machine |
| 14:07.49 | GeneralAntilles | But, personally, I'd rather see that fix-time invested elsewhere until we decide we actually want anonymous edits. |
| 14:08.03 | Capn_Fish | DarkenCZ: QEMU |
| 14:08.23 | Capn_Fish | DarkenCZ: QEMU is fun to emerge on Gentoo, as well, so be prepared |
| 14:08.43 | DarkenCZ | Capn_Fish: So it's harder then emerge qemu? :) |
| 14:09.00 | Capn_Fish | DarkenCZ: You need GCC-3.3 |
| 14:09.09 | Capn_Fish | So not much |
| 14:09.15 | Capn_Fish | DarkenCZ: Hang on a sec |
| 14:09.31 | Stskeeps | wonders if debian's armel sid is br0k right now |
| 14:09.33 | Capn_Fish | DarkenCZ: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO:_Qemu |
| 14:09.39 | DarkenCZ | thx |
| 14:09.41 | Capn_Fish | np |
| 14:09.51 | Capn_Fish | I had an adventure with it without reading that page |
| 14:09.52 | Capn_Fish | :) |
| 14:10.10 | Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: That doesn't sound good... |
| 14:10.21 | Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: It's running fine on my Zaurus, though |
| 14:10.22 | Stskeeps | getting a -lot- of 404 errors on base packages, like, sysklogd, manpages, etc.. |
| 14:10.37 | Capn_Fish | What mirror are you using? |
| 14:11.30 | DarkenCZ | Ok, I am going to compile gcc3.4 and tell you how does it work. Thank you |
| 14:11.34 | aquatix | anyone knows where i can find iwlist, iwconfig and such for diablo/chinook? [wireless-tools basically] |
| 14:11.42 | aquatix | i can't seem to find it |
| 14:11.44 | GeneralAntilles | aquatix, gronmayer? |
| 14:11.51 | Capn_Fish | DarkenCZ: Np. I have gcc 3.3.6 FWIW |
| 14:12.00 | Capn_Fish | Only for Qemu, of course |
| 14:12.29 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: oh, now i find it there |
| 14:12.30 | aquatix | odd |
| 14:12.39 | aquatix | i guess i was a bit too sleepy last night |
| 14:12.45 | GeneralAntilles | Conspiracy. |
| 14:12.48 | GeneralAntilles | We're messing with your head. |
| 14:12.58 | aquatix | http://nitapps.com seems to have it |
| 14:13.01 | DarkenCZ | So, after I install scratchbox, it will work or are there more steps? |
| 14:13.08 | Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: It looks like only the "S" packages are missing |
| 14:13.36 | Capn_Fish | DarkenCZ: First know that I have never actually DONE this |
| 14:13.54 | Capn_Fish | You need to set up QEMU to boot an ARM rootfs and kernel |
| 14:14.05 | Capn_Fish | or maybe it just needs libs... |
| 14:14.22 | Capn_Fish | I don't know for sure. There's a wiki page on scratchbox/qemu somewhere |
| 14:14.35 | DarkenCZ | Ok, thank you anyway :) |
| 14:15.15 | Capn_Fish | No problem. I like to be helped myself, so I help others |
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| 14:16.19 | Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: svn up of trunk, cd installer, python postdebootstrap /target |
| 14:16.23 | Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: you're right, some packages are missing for armel (but all of the S packages are missing) |
| 14:16.32 | Capn_Fish | OK |
| 14:16.34 | Capn_Fish | Thanks |
| 14:16.51 | Stskeeps | didn't have a chance to test it as my debian debootstrap just blew up :) |
| 14:17.07 | Capn_Fish | Most unfortunate. Have you tried another mirror? |
| 14:17.10 | Stskeeps | trying now |
| 14:17.15 | Capn_Fish | What's the SVN URL? |
| 14:17.29 | Stskeeps | svn checkout svn://svn.tspre.org/nit-debian/trunk |
| 14:17.30 | Capn_Fish | I just clicked the download link last time :) |
| 14:17.34 | Capn_Fish | thankx |
| 14:17.36 | Capn_Fish | s |
| 14:17.43 | Stskeeps | (we have a download link?) |
| 14:17.47 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 14:17.59 | Capn_Fish | It's convenient |
| 14:18.01 | Stskeeps | from viewvc? |
| 14:18.06 | Capn_Fish | ya |
| 14:18.10 | Stskeeps | k |
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| 14:20.26 | Capn_Fish | Oh yeah, THAT's where it failed before: making/installing the module package while chrooting |
| 14:20.31 | Capn_Fish | It's working now |
| 14:20.38 | Capn_Fish | Wait...no |
| 14:21.15 | Stskeeps | hehe, so the blame may lay with me ;) |
| 14:21.24 | Capn_Fish | Oh? |
| 14:21.48 | Capn_Fish | It says mv: cannot rename 'linux-modules-whatever': directory not empty |
| 14:21.51 | Stskeeps | hmm |
| 14:22.06 | Capn_Fish | and that the postinst script has bad permissions |
| 14:22.14 | Capn_Fish | of 644 |
| 14:22.23 | Stskeeps | can you show me the screenshot on a pastebin? |
| 14:22.24 | Capn_Fish | Maybe delete everything out of the directory? |
| 14:22.43 | Capn_Fish | You mean copy and paste? |
| 14:22.57 | Stskeeps | yeah :P are you sshing into your tablet or using it directly? |
| 14:23.08 | Capn_Fish | Using it directly |
| 14:23.12 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 14:23.13 | Capn_Fish | This may be fun :) |
| 14:23.16 | SDuensin | Morning gang. |
| 14:23.32 | Stskeeps | well rafb.net/paste should work on a n800 :P so it would be possible to copy-paste from terminal |
| 14:23.35 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 14:23.37 | Stskeeps | (or n810) |
| 14:23.55 | Capn_Fish | ya |
| 14:24.08 | SDuensin | I've been searching ITT and such for info on Einstein on the N800. Anyone here have any success with it? |
| 14:25.02 | Capn_Fish | http://rafb.net/p/sy5y0013.html |
| 14:25.12 | Capn_Fish | That's manually typed, so it may be wrong |
| 14:25.38 | Capn_Fish | SDuensin: Sorry, no experience here |
| 14:25.45 | Capn_Fish | at least none from me |
| 14:25.56 | SDuensin | :-/ Thanks. |
| 14:26.05 | Capn_Fish | Sorry |
| 14:26.07 | SDuensin | I love my MessagePad 2100, but damn, it's big. |
| 14:26.18 | Capn_Fish | Same with my Zaurus |
| 14:26.29 | GeneralAntilles | SDuensin, no kidding. |
| 14:26.33 | Capn_Fish | It's near perfect, but a little chunky |
| 14:26.42 | GeneralAntilles | SDuensin, that's part of what makes it great, though. . . . |
| 14:26.45 | GeneralAntilles | Big enough to write on. |
| 14:26.51 | Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: Was that the right URL? |
| 14:27.05 | SDuensin | GeneralAntilles - I agree. :-) |
| 14:27.29 | SDuensin | People at work keep asking me WTF I'm lugging around and if I got it from Soviet Russia. |
| 14:27.48 | Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: nop |
| 14:27.50 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 14:27.56 | Capn_Fish | k |
| 14:28.03 | Capn_Fish | http://rafb.net/p/sy5yOO13.html |
| 14:28.05 | Capn_Fish | Try that |
| 14:28.14 | GeneralAntilles | It _is_ a little bulky, though. :D |
| 14:28.18 | Capn_Fish | There we go :) |
| 14:28.23 | Capn_Fish | That's the right one |
| 14:28.23 | Stskeeps | much better |
| 14:28.26 | sp3000 | SDuensin: if you got it from soviet russia, I think it would be lugging you around |
| 14:28.31 | SDuensin | :-P |
| 14:28.45 | GeneralAntilles | The rubberisation also makes it awesomely impossible to get it in and out of stuff. |
| 14:28.47 | Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: .. okay, that's a weird error |
| 14:28.57 | Stskeeps | how can a mv fail cos an directory is not empty? |
| 14:29.00 | SDuensin | It's lugging my wallet around. Ever since I became obsessed with Newton OS, eBay has been a very dangerous place. |
| 14:29.06 | Capn_Fish | No ida |
| 14:29.08 | Capn_Fish | idea |
| 14:29.11 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 14:29.36 | Capn_Fish | SDuensin: lol, same here, except with Linux devices |
| 14:29.55 | RST38h | See? Windows is good for you |
| 14:29.59 | SDuensin | Capn_Fish - I had that phase already. :-D |
| 14:30.01 | RST38h | No cravings. |
| 14:30.32 | Capn_Fish | RST38h: True, but where's the fun in not having any toys? |
| 14:30.41 | GeneralAntilles | lol . . . http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=197670&postcount=42 |
| 14:30.50 | Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: anything odd in dmesg? |
| 14:31.00 | Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: i'm inclined to blame jffs2 |
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| 14:31.34 | Capn_Fish | I'm using ext2 |
| 14:31.36 | Stskeeps | .. |
| 14:31.42 | Capn_Fish | I didn't see a module for jffs2 |
| 14:31.52 | Stskeeps | glares at that error |
| 14:32.03 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 14:32.10 | Capn_Fish | Nothing wierd in dmesg. |
| 14:32.26 | Capn_Fish | ...? |
| 14:32.39 | Stskeeps | try cd installer, sh refresh-base /media/mmc1 |
| 14:32.42 | Stskeeps | and try again |
| 14:32.45 | Capn_Fish | k |
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| 14:34.18 | Capn_Fish | It seems to be working fine now |
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| 14:34.42 | Capn_Fish | It claims to be falling back on the 'C' locale though, that's normal? |
| 14:34.45 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 14:34.52 | Capn_Fish | wait... |
| 14:35.13 | Capn_Fish | ouch |
| 14:35.22 | Capn_Fish | >:( |
| 14:35.33 | Stskeeps | mm? |
| 14:35.34 | Capn_Fish | I need to put telenet in my initfs >:( |
| 14:35.42 | johnx | the locale stuff is just a matter of 'dpkg-reconfigure -plow locales' |
| 14:35.48 | Capn_Fish | ya |
| 14:36.02 | Capn_Fish | hang on. Back to the initfs-flashing :( |
| 14:36.40 | Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: ah - i rely on bootmenu i believe |
| 14:36.49 | Stskeeps | or fanoush's.. i'm not sure |
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| 14:37.15 | Capn_Fish | Probably the same. I've never used Telnet before, so I didn't include it in the initfs |
| 14:37.24 | Capn_Fish | Bah, now I need to copy it back over... |
| 14:37.48 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 14:38.08 | Stskeeps | adding that to todo list.. not relying on utelnetd from initfs :P |
| 14:38.21 | Capn_Fish | good plan |
| 14:38.24 | Stskeeps | you'll need to refresh-base again before running postdebootstrap most likely |
| 14:38.41 | Capn_Fish | I did that pre-emptively |
| 14:38.43 | Capn_Fish | :) |
| 14:40.06 | hrw | the good thing in diablo is that they use only 2.6M of initfs (which is 4M now) |
| 14:40.16 | hrw | so "mount /mnt/initfs -o remount,rw" and hack |
| 14:40.43 | SDuensin | I saw the Diablo stuff on Maemo. Can you give me a single line version of just WTF it is and do I want it? |
| 14:40.45 | Capn_Fish | Wait a minute...The kernel has jffs2 built in! |
| 14:40.54 | qwerty12 | It would have to :p |
| 14:41.08 | Capn_Fish | SOrry, that just hit me |
| 14:41.16 | hrw | SDuensin: Diablo is update to Chinook. and you probably want it. |
| 14:42.00 | SDuensin | is always confused. Diablo is a game. Chinook is a helicopter. |
| 14:42.16 | RST38h | You are wrong |
| 14:42.28 | RST38h | Diablo is Satan, red, horned, with a pitchfork |
| 14:42.36 | GeneralAntilles | SDuensin, they're winds. |
| 14:42.43 | GeneralAntilles | Codenames like Apple's big cats. |
| 14:43.00 | mgedmin | SDuensin: they're all also names of winds |
| 14:43.03 | RST38h | GA: Was poor aborted Elephanta also a wind? |
| 14:43.09 | hrw | Freemantle was chosen because Fart sounds not as good |
| 14:43.13 | johnx | waits for Apple to run out of names, thus resorting to "sort of an overweight tabby" |
| 14:43.20 | qwerty12 | If I ever make something, I shall make the codenames after legendary pimps. |
| 14:43.21 | SDuensin | hehe |
| 14:43.36 | SDuensin | uses Stargate names. :-) |
| 14:43.54 | hrw | I do not use any sensible names |
| 14:44.02 | pekuja | johnx, I think "Snow Leopard" is pushing it |
| 14:44.17 | johnx | heh..."Liger" maybe :D |
| 14:44.20 | pekuja | they still don't have Puma, Lynx or Lion though |
| 14:44.34 | RST38h | Lynx is a registered trademark of Atari |
| 14:44.42 | RST38h | Same is jaguar |
| 14:44.46 | pekuja | it's not an OS trademark |
| 14:45.09 | pekuja | hmn, I guess Puma and Lion are pretty well known names elsewhere too though |
| 14:45.09 | RST38h | all the same, if they decide to make a quick judicial buck... |
| 14:45.12 | pekuja | maybe they're avoiding those |
| 14:45.20 | lbt | how do I upgrade my sbox from 4.01 to 4.1? apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 14:45.20 | pekuja | it's not all the same |
| 14:45.24 | SDuensin | pekuja - "Puma" was used. |
| 14:45.32 | pekuja | especially since Lynx died a long time ago |
| 14:45.36 | pekuja | SDuensin, well obviously |
| 14:45.45 | pekuja | SDuensin, oh, you mean for an OS? |
| 14:45.50 | SDuensin | Yea. |
| 14:45.57 | pekuja | ok, I didn't know that |
| 14:46.11 | pekuja | well then obviously they're not afraid of trademarks in other fields |
| 14:46.13 | SDuensin | Cheetah, Puma, Jaguar, Panther, Tiger, Leopard, Snow Leopard (gay) |
| 14:46.14 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:46.35 | qwerty12 | I just took the long route and removed everything :/ |
| 14:46.37 | pekuja | but yeah, it's missing Lynx and Lion |
| 14:46.38 | lbt | pupnik: Ideally I'd like to keep a chinook target... |
| 14:46.47 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, they're all winds. |
| 14:46.57 | GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephanta_%28wind%29 |
| 14:47.02 | pekuja | or Cougar |
| 14:47.04 | Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: OK, I'm running the postdebbootstrap script (again) |
| 14:47.13 | SDuensin | They've trademarked "Lynx" and "Cougar". :-) |
| 14:47.16 | pekuja | :-) |
| 14:47.25 | pekuja | heh, I guess those are coming then |
| 14:47.26 | pekuja | hmm |
| 14:47.40 | pekuja | now that I think of it, maybe Snow Leopard makes sense since they're not adding features |
| 14:47.55 | lcuk | Nokia n930 Cougar edition. for when you are taking the kids to school |
| 14:47.58 | RST38h | GA: ! |
| 14:48.25 | RST38h | Gregale they have used prematurely |
| 14:48.35 | SDuensin | wants them to go back to "1, 2, 3, 4, etc." MUCH easier to keep track of! |
| 14:48.38 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, don't try to find logic in their application of these codenames. |
| 14:48.41 | GeneralAntilles | There is none. |
| 14:48.46 | pekuja | hah, fun fact: a snow leopard can't roar |
| 14:48.53 | RST38h | well, so far it looks to be done in alphabetic order |
| 14:48.54 | GeneralAntilles | Any logic that they claim to apply is merely a redirection to keep you confused. |
| 14:49.20 | GeneralAntilles | Mistral, Gregale, and Scirocco would seem to say otherwise. ;) |
| 14:49.27 | lcuk | everything needs a codename, even bare rocks on mars have them |
| 14:49.42 | lcuk | it just helps us relate |
| 14:50.10 | aquatix | meh, the wlan0 of my n810 doesn't support scanning, iwlist says :/ |
| 14:50.20 | johnx | very likely |
| 14:50.30 | aquatix | that sucks |
| 14:50.33 | johnx | Nokia's cx3110x is missing a lot of wireless extensions |
| 14:50.46 | ShadowJK | hm, iwlist scan worked for me |
| 14:50.48 | Capn_Fish | aquatix: I agree |
| 14:50.56 | aquatix | ShadowJK: odd, here it didn't |
| 14:51.03 | aquatix | has v29 from nitapps.com |
| 14:51.08 | ShadowJK | I'm going to try it again |
| 14:51.31 | Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: Debian is using v31, no? |
| 14:51.47 | GeneralAntilles | Yeesh, I didn't even know this existed: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/wiki/index.php?id=106&type=g |
| 14:51.53 | GeneralAntilles | Any plans to move stuff like that into mediawiki-proper? |
| 14:52.07 | ShadowJK | yep, iwlist scan works for me |
| 14:52.15 | aquatix | ShadowJK: how? |
| 14:52.35 | ShadowJK | dunno, i just typed "iwlist scan" and it waited awhile then gave me results... |
| 14:52.47 | aquatix | i have radio on, no network connection |
| 14:52.48 | Capn_Fish | ShadowJK: What version of the cx3100x module are you using? |
| 14:52.59 | aquatix | Capn_Fish: how can i check? |
| 14:53.01 | ShadowJK | I'm connected to a wlan |
| 14:53.14 | aquatix | hm |
| 14:53.19 | Capn_Fish | I forgot. I saw it somewhere while using Debian |
| 14:53.23 | Capn_Fish | Give me a bit |
| 14:53.31 | Capn_Fish | Maybe it's while insmodding or modprobing it |
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| 14:57.19 | crashanddie | Ryback_, oy ! |
| 14:57.32 | crashanddie | Ryback_, sorry to attack you like this, but just saw you were a e17 dev |
| 14:57.44 | crashanddie | say, do you know if there's anything going on with esd these days ? |
| 14:57.55 | Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: It failed again |
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| 14:58.02 | crashanddie | Say, where I could find some up-to-date docs or anything ? (to the API, more exactly) |
| 14:58.19 | Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: Apparently dbus and hal had errors while installing |
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| 14:59.49 | Capn_Fish | aquatix: Yeah, scanning works for me too |
| 14:59.59 | Capn_Fish | I'm using Diablo, are you? |
| 15:01.03 | lbt | crashanddie http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/ |
| 15:01.17 | Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: It's complaining about overwriting /var/run "which is also supplied by dhcp3-client" |
| 15:01.46 | crashanddie | lbt, hmm ? |
| 15:01.48 | lbt | and http://maemo.org/development/documentation/apis/ |
| 15:01.56 | lbt | maemo 4.1 Diablo API References |
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| 15:02.18 | lbt | or is that for esd - sorry :) |
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| 15:02.33 | lbt | I just happened to be on that page :) |
| 15:02.41 | Andy80 | hi all |
| 15:02.46 | Capn_Fish | hey |
| 15:03.30 | Capn_Fish | brb |
| 15:04.43 | qwerty12 | ~lart the boost libraries for being a pos to install and use |
| 15:04.43 | infobot | runs at the boost libraries with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut for being a pos to install and use |
| 15:07.12 | hrw | qwerty12: also POS to build |
| 15:07.40 | Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: You still here? |
| 15:07.50 | qwerty12 | hrw, someone's already built them for maemo, not sure if they work well from what I am seeing here :/ |
| 15:08.53 | hrw | qwerty12: building boost under scratchbox is weird way of crosscompiling rather |
| 15:09.32 | qwerty12 | I gave up trying to build boost under sbox, I don't have the time or the skills :/ |
| 15:10.27 | qwerty12 | Yep, these don't go well: ERROR: Source object /usr/lib/libboost_filesystem.so has EABI version 5, but target has EABI version 4 |
| 15:10.27 | qwerty12 | . May as well try again :/ |
| 15:10.50 | hrw | I have to try with poky |
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| 15:12.40 | GeneralAntilles | Old but fun: http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/files/2007/02/hildon-desktop-scaled-thumb.jpg |
| 15:13.12 | Capn_Fish | Why would you want to do that? |
| 15:13.26 | Capn_Fish | I'm spending enought time trying to get RID of hildon! |
| 15:13.32 | johnx | ah yeah, the resolution independent hildon-desktop they were working on |
| 15:13.36 | qwerty12 | I have my reservations with hildon on the tablet, f*** using it on the desktop. |
| 15:13.39 | johnx | Capn_Fish, some of us *like* hildon |
| 15:13.42 | GeneralAntilles | Capn_Fish, why would you want to do that? |
| 15:13.44 | GeneralAntilles | johnx++ |
| 15:14.03 | Capn_Fish | lol |
| 15:14.14 | X-Fade | Capn_Fish: I think it is better than everything else for a tablet sized device. |
| 15:14.17 | Capn_Fish | Why have candy-coated Linux when you can have pure Linux? |
| 15:14.26 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, well, the idea is to illustrate scalability. ;) |
| 15:14.41 | GeneralAntilles | Capn_Fish, because "pure" Linux sucks ass for finger input. ;) |
| 15:14.41 | Capn_Fish | Everybody's entitled to their own opinion, I suppose... |
| 15:14.41 | X-Fade | Capn_Fish: I don't want to have full linux distro on my tablet or phone. I want a useable desktop. |
| 15:14.43 | johnx | Capn_Fish, cause I can *actually* freaking use it without a stylus, without messing up and hitting the wrong thing |
| 15:15.27 | johnx | Capn_Fish, you do realize my original goal of debian on the n8x0 was to have debian apps running in the hildon desktop, right? |
| 15:15.39 | Capn_Fish | I don't care so much for "finger input," and I have the keyboard on the N810, so "real" Linux is more appealing to me |
| 15:15.48 | timeless | sp3000: http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/ is syncing :) |
| 15:15.49 | qwerty12 | johnx, sounds like the chroot stuff now :/ |
| 15:15.54 | Capn_Fish | And I can compile and run whatever app I want without modification |
| 15:15.58 | timeless | this may take a while :) |
| 15:16.11 | sp3000 | whee! |
| 15:16.22 | johnx | qwerty12, I'm a purist. :P |
| 15:16.31 | qwerty12 | Heh |
| 15:16.44 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Is wiki speed better now? |
| 15:16.58 | johnx | Capn_Fish, that was the other goal, but that's not a hildon problem, so much as a distribution problem |
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| 15:17.16 | hrw | Capn_Fish: I want more customisable hildon but still hildon |
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| 15:17.52 | Capn_Fish | hrw johnx: All I want is Fluxbox/EvilWM :) |
| 15:17.57 | qwerty12 | I want more applets visible in the statusbar, that is my ultimate pisstake with hildon-desktop. I looked at the source but don't understand jack shit of it :/ |
| 15:18.17 | hrw | qwerty12: I want os2007 like menus |
| 15:18.24 | Capn_Fish | Another reason to love other WMs |
| 15:18.25 | qwerty12 | I did find the file responsible for the statusbar, I made a little change and nothing shows >.< |
| 15:18.32 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, a little, still getting the "lost network connection", though. :( |
| 15:18.34 | Capn_Fish | ouch |
| 15:18.44 | qwerty12 | hrw, port some maemo-af-desktop code from bora :/ |
| 15:18.58 | hrw | qwerty12: or rather hack hildon-desktop |
| 15:19.22 | qwerty12 | That shouldn't be too hard, even maybe me could try :/ |
| 15:19.22 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I haven't seen that. Can you past the error somewhere? |
| 15:19.27 | hrw | qwerty12: at least that is open |
| 15:19.33 | johnx | I'm not really in love with the whole hildon-desktop, but hildonized apps and matchbox wm overall seem reasonable to me |
| 15:20.21 | hrw | johnx: I would like to have something usable for that desktop - now I keep it clean |
| 15:20.47 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3280 |
| 15:21.26 | johnx | hrw, I actually like matchbox desktop for the most part |
| 15:22.01 | hrw | johnx: matchbox-desktop 1.x or 2.x? |
| 15:22.04 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: But that error is not generated by the wiki right? It is just your browser telling you that? |
| 15:22.11 | GeneralAntilles | Right |
| 15:22.13 | johnx | hrw, whatever was on angstrom 2007.12 |
| 15:22.20 | hrw | johnx: old 1.x one |
| 15:22.26 | hrw | johnx: I do not like it |
| 15:22.29 | johnx | googles for the new one |
| 15:22.34 | Capn_Fish | lol |
| 15:22.36 | hrw | johnx: 2.x (used in Poky) is better |
| 15:22.37 | GeneralAntilles | Over http it's an actual server error |
| 15:22.42 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Ok I thought that you were mentioning another problem ;) |
| 15:22.43 | Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: yes, sorry, was making pizza :P |
| 15:22.48 | Capn_Fish | np |
| 15:22.48 | timeless | anyway, for people interested in seeing what files will be available (warning, this may kill your browser), you're free to load http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/find?string=x |
| 15:22.51 | Capn_Fish | Pizza's worth it |
| 15:22.53 | GeneralAntilles | something along the lines of "lost connection with 127.0.0.1" or or similar. |
| 15:23.14 | Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: Anyway, it failed on installing dbus and hal |
| 15:23.25 | Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: hmm. pastebin again? |
| 15:23.26 | johnx | hrw, ah, actually I tried poky, but I didn't like the desktop as much. there's no need for icons to be bigger than my thumbs |
| 15:23.31 | Capn_Fish | kk |
| 15:23.45 | Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: this is debian sid though so things may break:) |
| 15:23.52 | hrw | johnx: thats the matter of configuring probably |
| 15:23.56 | Capn_Fish | Things work on my Z |
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| 15:24.24 | johnx | Capn_Fish, did you do the debian install on your Z today? |
| 15:25.07 | Capn_Fish | No |
| 15:25.11 | Capn_Fish | Point taken |
| 15:25.37 | Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: http://rafb.net/p/IoBces79.html |
| 15:25.39 | johnx | I've been following debian sid for a long time. There are many interesting ways for things to break :) |
| 15:25.57 | Capn_Fish | There always are |
| 15:26.40 | Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: wtf @ that error though |
| 15:27.06 | Capn_Fish | The overwriting thing? |
| 15:27.08 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 15:27.18 | Stskeeps | .. and again, why does dhcp3-client provide var/run? :> |
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| 15:27.34 | Capn_Fish | No idea |
| 15:27.37 | johnx | yeah, that doesn't sound right :) |
| 15:27.42 | DarkenCZ | Hi, i installed qemu and I get new error in launching af-sb-init: Starting Maemo Launcher: maemo-launcherFontconfig error: Cannot load default config file |
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| 15:28.47 | aquatix | Capn_Fish: yeah, diablo |
| 15:28.51 | aquatix | was afk |
| 15:28.54 | aquatix | and again, going home |
| 15:29.04 | Capn_Fish | k |
| 15:29.10 | Capn_Fish | Well, it works for me |
| 15:30.24 | qwerty12 | Arggh, boost wants g++4.0, off I go to get cs2008 toolchain for sb1 >.< |
| 15:30.32 | timeless | sp3000: that web url is killing my browser |
| 15:30.43 | Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: i'll just see if my debootstrap fails - i guess it's in post bootstrap this messes up+ |
| 15:30.46 | Stskeeps | ? |
| 15:30.50 | lcuk | keesj, :) thanks for the vmware appliance, ill grab it later and hopefully replace the one ive got here. |
| 15:30.53 | Capn_Fish | ya |
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| 15:30.58 | Capn_Fish | OK |
| 15:31.06 | Capn_Fish | I can wait :) |
| 15:32.31 | timeless | sighs, xref is 650mb of which rsync has sent 150mb. this will take a while :) |
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| 15:32.46 | Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: try apt-get update; and try again? |
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| 15:33.13 | Capn_Fish | OK |
| 15:33.15 | Capn_Fish | hang om |
| 15:34.22 | Stskeeps | (maybe apt-get upgrade too if dhcp3-client has a problem) |
| 15:35.30 | Capn_Fish | will do |
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| 15:38.11 | Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: apt-get upgrade says there are broken deps, do an apt-get -f install, which gives the original error while trying to install gnome-device-manager, hal, and dbus |
| 15:38.31 | Stskeeps | brb, dinner |
| 15:39.06 | Capn_Fish | k |
| 15:39.21 | Stskeeps | if apt-get install hal gives a problem relating to dhcp3-client it sounds like a debian issue or something :P |
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| 15:42.01 | Capn_Fish | Ya |
| 15:43.13 | Capn_Fish | WTF. |
| 15:43.27 | Capn_Fish | looking in the package file list here: http://packages.debian.org/sid/armel/dhcp3-client/filelist |
| 15:43.39 | Capn_Fish | it says that /var/run is NOT used by dhcp3-client |
| 15:43.43 | Capn_Fish | >:( |
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| 15:44.29 | johnx | hmm, /var/run shouldn't be supplied by any package unless maybe lsb-base or similar |
| 15:45.17 | Capn_Fish | Hmm |
| 15:45.41 | Capn_Fish | so we've got at least two packages providing a file that shouldn't be provided by either of them |
| 15:45.44 | Capn_Fish | Lovely. |
| 15:46.21 | johnx | well, maybe I'm confused, but I really think /var/run is the kind of thing that should be there even without a dhcp client or hal |
| 15:46.24 | Capn_Fish | Ah... /var/run is a symlink to /tmp/.run |
| 15:46.32 | Capn_Fish | I just removed it, we'll see how this ends |
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| 15:47.10 | DarkenCZ | BTW does anybody know howto install gnupg to n810? |
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| 15:47.28 | Capn_Fish | DarkenCZ: Maybe you want to try Debian? |
| 15:47.36 | qwerty12 | DarkenCZ, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18168 ? |
| 15:47.40 | Capn_Fish | once we figure out how to get the install working, that is? |
| 15:47.45 | DarkenCZ | Capn_Fish: I don't! but I afraid i will have :((( |
| 15:47.46 | johnx | DarkenCZ, the package gnupg is installed by default, right? |
| 15:48.10 | DarkenCZ | johnx: I don't think so |
| 15:48.12 | qwerty12 | johnx, that's osso-gnupg iirc and according to that page, it's bascially handicapped |
| 15:48.19 | johnx | run apt-cache policy gnupg |
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| 15:49.06 | DarkenCZ | gnupg: |
| 15:49.07 | DarkenCZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:49.07 | DarkenCZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:49.07 | DarkenCZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:49.07 | DarkenCZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:49.09 | DarkenCZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:49.12 | DarkenCZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:49.15 | DarkenCZ | Now I am confused :) |
| 15:49.40 | GeneralAntilles | The problem with maemo-users is that there aren't enough intelligent people replying to offset the overwhelming stupidity. . . . |
| 15:49.59 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, hey now... |
| 15:50.25 | DarkenCZ | shame on me |
| 15:50.40 | johnx | DarkenCZ, don't worry about it. Why did you think you didn't have it? |
| 15:50.40 | Capn_Fish | Who here wanted Einstein? |
| 15:50.53 | qwerty12 | Are there any recommended options when using diff to make a patch file? |
| 15:51.01 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, have you SEEN the threads that go on on -users?! :P |
| 15:51.13 | johnx | qwerty12, diff -urN maybe? |
| 15:51.19 | DarkenCZ | johnx: Becouse i was trying to find package in every repository and I found only some old ones for os2007 |
| 15:51.20 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, aaaah...I missed the '-' |
| 15:51.27 | Capn_Fish | SDuensin: Still here? |
| 15:51.29 | qwerty12 | johnx, ta |
| 15:51.37 | SDuensin | Yea |
| 15:51.47 | DarkenCZ | I need to establish mail client with pgp support... and in best case, jabber with pgp support :) |
| 15:51.48 | Capn_Fish | Still looking for einstein? |
| 15:51.56 | Capn_Fish | http://dillernet.com/apple/2007/07/28/openeinstein-build-48-for-nokia-770/ |
| 15:51.59 | SDuensin | Yes! |
| 15:52.00 | GeneralAntilles | Also, the wikipedia Hildon article now has less suck: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hildon |
| 15:52.05 | SDuensin | Will that run on an 800? |
| 15:52.07 | Capn_Fish | No idea if it will work, though |
| 15:52.15 | Capn_Fish | But you can try :) |
| 15:52.21 | SDuensin | I will. :-) |
| 15:52.30 | SDuensin | needs to get his 2100 ROM yanked. |
| 15:52.48 | Capn_Fish | Enjoy (hopefully) |
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| 15:55.02 | DarkenCZ | Does somebody have mail client which support pgp? |
| 15:55.19 | Capn_Fish | Maybe Claws Mail? |
| 15:55.48 | DarkenCZ | There should exist gnupg plugin for claws mail, but I didn't find it avaiable for maemo |
| 15:56.08 | Capn_Fish | Hmm... |
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| 15:58.02 | qwerty12 | Ok, a little far fetched but instead of doing it by hand, is there a program that can "scan" patch files and remove any lines that conflict with each other/are the same? |
| 15:58.20 | DarkenCZ | Maybe I can install Debian or Ubuntu to virtual computer and try to play with scratchbox there? |
| 15:58.32 | Capn_Fish | Probably |
| 15:58.33 | GAN800 | Find yourself a bitch. |
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| 16:00.44 | crashanddie | GAN800, I'd love to, but you're not coming to MaemoCon, so phat chance of meeting you :P |
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| 16:01.10 | qwerty12 | ooh, bitchslapped |
| 16:01.52 | qwerty12 | ooh netsplit |
| 16:01.52 | crashanddie | clarke got bitchslapped, too |
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| 16:02.30 | qwerty12 | Anyone know what happened to skyhusker's svn? |
| 16:02.31 | GAN800 | Is it just me, or did a bunch of packages just get icons in Application manager? |
| 16:03.09 | crashanddie | notice how he changes subject :P |
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| 16:03.28 | qwerty12 | Tis the way of the bitch :p |
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| 16:05.42 | crashanddie | how to f up a conversation |
| 16:05.42 | crashanddie | luckily, we didn't have much of one |
| 16:05.46 | qwerty12 | I blame you. |
| 16:05.55 | GeneralAntilles | MaemoCon sounds like an anime convention. |
| 16:05.58 | crashanddie | I will never admit anything |
| 16:06.14 | hrw | it there libossosettings? |
| 16:06.15 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, I'm thinking it might end up finishing like one |
| 16:06.25 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, thousands of geeks coming together, only 2 getting laid |
| 16:06.32 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
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| 16:09.32 | Mousey | i'd like to get 14 days on idle.. hell, i'd like to get the battery to survive idling overnight! |
| 16:09.49 | mgedmin | Mousey: mine does |
| 16:09.51 | qwerty12 | finally believes in british film industry after watching adulthood again |
| 16:09.53 | mgedmin | what sort of apps have you got installed? |
| 16:09.54 | Mousey | cries |
| 16:09.55 | mgedmin | omweather? |
| 16:09.58 | Mousey | yah |
| 16:10.10 | mgedmin | I'm not pointing any fingers, or anything, but... |
| 16:10.21 | mgedmin | I'd suggest uninstalling it and seeing if the battery life improves or not |
| 16:10.27 | Mousey | sigh |
| 16:10.30 | GeneralAntilles | Mousey, something's broken if you don't get at least 2 days idle on wifi. |
| 16:10.40 | Mousey | great |
| 16:10.52 | GeneralAntilles | There's a couple bugs that cover most of the suspects and there's a thread on -users or -developers |
| 16:11.03 | mgedmin | apps that wake up the CPU several times a second are usually to blame |
| 16:11.07 | Mousey | well i'm on diablo now |
| 16:11.08 | GeneralAntilles | Make sure neither of your cards are corrupted and make sure you don't have anything eating cpu in the background. |
| 16:11.11 | lcuk | mousey : totally with you here, my 810 is dead as a dodo and i think something kept hold last night because normally without wifi i can last |
| 16:11.26 | lcuk | though my wifi drains it quicker than a thirsty australian in a pub |
| 16:11.35 | qwerty12 | See if modest and browser aren't sucking cpu like a bitch in diablo. |
| 16:11.35 | Mousey | yah, if i [remember to] put it in offline it lasts a bit longer |
| 16:11.44 | GeneralAntilles | lol, lcuk, just get a real router already. <_< |
| 16:11.45 | Mousey | doesn't use modest, no client side filters |
| 16:12.07 | lcuk | no GeneralAntilles :) im happy, and now in the last coiuple of months its only been dead twice |
| 16:12.15 | GeneralAntilles | Pfft |
| 16:12.16 | lcuk | (at least since i got back from linuxtag) |
| 16:12.21 | qwerty12 | Mousey, Doesn't matter. When I was using diablo betas, I had no email account configured whatsoever but modest would like run as daemon still. Turn off updating in it's settings. |
| 16:12.34 | Mousey | wtf |
| 16:12.37 | Mousey | uninstalls it |
| 16:12.50 | lcuk | mousey, best thing for none wifi batterylife: turn down the screen brightness as far as you are comfortable with |
| 16:13.04 | lcuk | its no use it glowing like the sun when its tucked in its pouch ;0 |
| 16:13.06 | lcuk | ;) |
| 16:13.14 | Mousey | i always do that |
| 16:13.28 | mgedmin | locking the keyboard should prevent it from glowing... |
| 16:13.41 | DarkenCZ | it's ubuntu good distro to play with scratchbox? |
| 16:13.45 | lcuk | i have mine 2 notches from top all the time, and ive customised acmonitor to knock down my cpu to ondemand when i disco0pnnect from power |
| 16:13.54 | Mousey | i do that too |
| 16:14.06 | lcuk | mgedmin, it does normally, but locking doesnt always turn the screen off |
| 16:14.10 | lcuk | watch a movie and try it... |
| 16:14.11 | Mousey | acmonitor? |
| 16:14.15 | mgedmin | oh? it usually does for me |
| 16:14.18 | DaniloCesar | DarkenCZ, Mandriva/Ubuntu/Fedora/Debian are good distros.... Distro doesn't matter.... =) |
| 16:14.30 | Mousey | wow, why does apt-get remove modest wanna remove half my install? |
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| 16:14.40 | qwerty12 | Maybe because it's part of the os now? |
| 16:14.44 | mgedmin | I usually don't let my pockets watch any movies :) |
| 16:14.45 | DarkenCZ | Well, I have gentoo, but I want something what use apt-get :) |
| 16:14.47 | Mousey | communist! |
| 16:14.47 | lcuk | mgedmin, :) i have been able to draw on the screen with liqbase with it locked in the past |
| 16:14.56 | lcuk | lol mgedmin depends what kinds of movies |
| 16:15.01 | Mousey | tries apt-get acrobatics to trick it |
| 16:15.10 | mgedmin | Mousey: what if you just go to email preferences and disable periodic checking? |
| 16:15.15 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 16:15.27 | Capn_Fish | DarkenCZ: Networking from a VM can be odd, FWIW |
| 16:15.30 | lcuk | mousey: sudo apt-get acrobatics |
| 16:15.31 | qwerty12 | <qwerty12> Turn off updating in it's settings. |
| 16:15.34 | DaniloCesar | DarkenCZ, I use debian virtual machine to play with SB... |
| 16:15.38 | mgedmin | hands DarkenCZ a Ubuntu CD |
| 16:15.54 | Mousey | rats |
| 16:15.58 | Mousey | libosso-email-interface is the culprit |
| 16:16.05 | Mousey | apparently it has a dependency on modest |
| 16:16.06 | lcuk | hasnt even setup email on his tablet |
| 16:16.10 | qwerty12 | ^ |
| 16:16.13 | Mousey | i haven't either |
| 16:16.19 | Capn_Fish | Me neither |
| 16:16.21 | mgedmin | DarkenCZ: for best results use a 32-bit version of Ubuntu and know to do 'sudo sysctl -w vm.vdso_enabled=0 vm.mmap_min_addr=4096' before you try to log into scratchbox |
| 16:16.23 | mgedmin | otherwise it works fine |
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| 16:16.25 | lcuk | is this a diablo thing then? |
| 16:16.27 | qwerty12 | Good old www.gmail.com is fine for me. |
| 16:16.27 | Mousey | checks in email prefs for periodic checking |
| 16:16.38 | Capn_Fish | I personally use mail.google.com |
| 16:16.40 | Mousey | lcuk: nah, i've never really had good battery life |
| 16:16.46 | mgedmin | lcuk: yes, diablo switched to Modest instead of the old crappy email client |
| 16:16.50 | Mousey | i personally use mail.ross154.net |
| 16:16.55 | Mousey | it's mine, no corporation owns my email |
| 16:16.58 | DarkenCZ | mgedmin: thank you, thats what I want to here :) |
| 16:17.02 | Capn_Fish | nice |
| 16:17.18 | lcuk | mousey, what kind of wifi basestation have you got, cos i use adhoc wifi dongle on desktop pc, GeneralAntilles swears it drains battery and i believe him (for once :P ) |
| 16:17.50 | lcuk | and whats the battery life like in offline mode |
| 16:17.59 | GAN800 | AdHoc doesn't support powersaving. |
| 16:18.10 | qwerty12 | shitfuck, I'm now going to have to compare by hand, a 5.1MB patch against a 4.1MB patch. Someone pull the trigger :( |
| 16:18.12 | lcuk | no, cos its trying to be a server all the time |
| 16:18.18 | lcuk | thats why i use it when im plugged in |
| 16:18.23 | GAN800 | Mousey, make sure your cards aren't corrupt. |
| 16:19.01 | lcuk | qwerty12, you just lost extra merit marks, "shitfuck" is not correct, you should capitalize and punctuate your swearing "Shit, Fuck!" |
| 16:19.19 | qwerty12 | How about no? |
| 16:19.36 | GAN800 | lcuk, fail |
| 16:19.45 | lcuk | http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5g9knwA2L8GaFk8fQAYZW_SaONq4Q |
| 16:19.47 | GAN800 | shitfuck is much more creative. |
| 16:20.01 | lcuk | but it wont get you any marks in your English exam |
| 16:20.31 | mgedmin | qwerty12: interdiff? |
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| 16:21.41 | qwerty12 | mgedmin, thank you. Looks like this could help :) |
| 16:21.51 | GAN800 | Wow, carrier-specific Maemo releases? O_o http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21450 |
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| 16:22.30 | qwerty12 | Meh, I've had N800-666-qwerty12 pimp :P |
| 16:23.48 | keesj | osso-email-interface/trunk/ |
| 16:23.59 | keesj | sry |
| 16:24.34 | johnx | GAN800, that is really crazy O_o |
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| 16:25.02 | johnx | I guess it's just some creative repackaging by Singtel's resident Linux guru...probably a custom desktop and home page |
| 16:25.19 | qwerty12 | I know a way to change the version, just need to see if the version returned by mplayer says singtel too :/ |
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| 16:26.18 | mgedmin | I wonder what sudo osso-product-info would print on that Singtel image |
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| 16:37.47 | lbt | Anyone got any idea how to install non-maemo debian/ubuntu packages into a diablo sbox? (specifically ddd) |
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| 16:38.28 | qwerty12 | It's probably just easier to download the source and diif from the same page in the left and compile that. |
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| 16:38.49 | qwerty12 | Failing that, repack the armel deb with dependencies removed and hope for the best. |
| 16:39.32 | lbt | qwerty12: did that - ddd depends on Motif... |
| 16:39.37 | lbt | didn't want to go there.. |
| 16:40.36 | lbt | I added deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ testing main to sources.list but get keyring issues |
| 16:40.52 | lbt | was wondering if I could add an ubunut repository |
| 16:41.19 | lbt | since I'm running the x86 target (which works fine for me) |
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| 16:44.24 | Mousey | DAEMONS EATING MY BATTERY! NEED A CATHOLIC PRIESTGRAMMER! |
| 16:44.43 | qwerty12 | gets my fedora hat on |
| 16:44.51 | qwerty12 | Will a pimp do? |
| 16:45.46 | qwerty12 | Guess not, playa hater :( |
| 16:46.07 | Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: hald installed for me |
| 16:47.34 | aquatix | odd, if i connect to a wifi network, iwlist scan works |
| 16:47.50 | aquatix | but i want it without connecting :) |
| 16:48.07 | hrw | bye |
| 16:51.20 | RST38h | ...whatever Steve Jobs does is right. And so, since the iPhone currently has no keyboard on it, it must logically follow that it is wrong to have a keyboard, and therefore that Steve Jobs will never produce a version that does have a keyboard. |
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| 16:52.58 | mgedmin | um, apple laptops have keyboards! |
| 16:53.08 | mgedmin | therefore it logically follows that sometimes it is okay to have a keyboard |
| 16:53.52 | mgedmin | aquatix: on my laptop iwlist scan returns results from the last scan (if any), while sudo iwlist scan also tells the wifi driver to perform the scan right now |
| 16:53.56 | mgedmin | ... I think |
| 16:54.04 | RST38h | mgedmin: in a laptop |
| 16:54.08 | GAN800 | I love how the iPhone's keyboard lags when the device is under load. |
| 16:54.33 | RST38h | which leads us to conclusion that whenever iPhone gets a keyboard, it will be renamed into a laptop |
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| 16:54.47 | RST38h | GAN: N8x0 is no exception to this |
| 16:54.53 | RST38h | BT keyboard lag terribly |
| 16:54.57 | mgedmin | why aren't macbooks called iLaptop |
| 16:55.02 | RST38h | s/keyboard/keyboards/ |
| 16:55.12 | GAN800 | That's consistent. |
| 16:55.19 | GAN800 | Not load-dependent. |
| 16:55.26 | RST38h | mgedmin: 'cause iBook sounds more important |
| 16:55.29 | Ave | mac portables arent called laptops, because they arent laptops... |
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| 16:55.40 | GAN800 | mgedmin, that went out with PowerPC. |
| 16:55.43 | RST38h | GAN: I have traced it down to the amount of stuff being redrawn |
| 16:55.54 | Ave | someone in the land of hope and glory burns his nads on a scolding apple and thusly its no more laptop, avoid the lap |
| 16:55.59 | Ave | its a portable computer dammit |
| 16:56.14 | RST38h | May be wrong of course, but it definitely feels like the more GTK widgets you have on the screen the more it lags |
| 16:56.30 | RST38h | [correction: not the number of widgets drawn but the totan number of widgets, seemingly] |
| 16:56.43 | ShadowJK | aquatix, maybe if you ifconfig wlan0 up first? |
| 16:56.54 | Ave | anyone noticed a faster battery drain with diablo than chinook? |
| 16:56.57 | qwerty12 | RST38h, Tried renicing hcid or similar? (I say this, not ever having used a bt keyboard) |
| 16:57.11 | RST38h | qwerty: I did not |
| 16:57.28 | RST38h | qwerty: If you have a recipe of how to do it, shoot =) |
| 16:57.39 | GAN800 | Ave, incidental. |
| 16:57.53 | RST38h | Ave: It is most likely Modest |
| 16:58.10 | qwerty12 | renice -20 `pidof hcid` (as root) ? :/ |
| 16:58.11 | RST38h | Ave: It has a habit of hanging up in memory eating 100% CPU |
| 16:58.24 | qwerty12 | -20 is highest priority iirc |
| 16:58.28 | RST38h | aha |
| 16:58.35 | RST38h | let's try... |
| 17:00.06 | qwerty12 | renice 0 `pidof hcid` may be a nicer value to use |
| 17:00.29 | Mousey | yikes, renice |
| 17:03.57 | Ave | RST38h: aah the new email client you mean |
| 17:04.27 | Ave | incidentally I just took the time to configure it and bang there goes my battery, so could be |
| 17:05.53 | RST38h | Ave: disable automatic email fetch |
| 17:05.59 | Mousey | turns off the email update interval |
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| 17:06.09 | RST38h | qwerty: -20 freezes touch ui |
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| 17:06.32 | RST38h | qwerty: 0 seems to improve things a bit |
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| 17:06.46 | Ave | RST38h: does that also disable the new mail notifi ations |
| 17:07.30 | qwerty12 | RST38h, Cool, try going down in -20 and see which value works well |
| 17:07.33 | GeneralAntilles | Ave, take a guess. :P |
| 17:07.51 | RST38h | -5 feels better |
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| 17:09.12 | Ave | GeneralAntilles: thats the only funxtion I use the intgernal mail client for ... |
| 17:09.40 | Atarii | penguinb8 u there? |
| 17:10.08 | RST38h | still lags |
| 17:10.44 | RST38h | -10 feels better |
| 17:10.52 | melmoth | Is dputing stuff on chinook-extras-devel currenlty borked ? |
| 17:10.59 | RST38h | ui works |
| 17:11.47 | RST38h | no it still lags |
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| 17:11.59 | RST38h | I do not think it has anything to do with bt keyboard. |
| 17:12.07 | RST38h | Looks like it is related to gtk event loop |
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| 17:17.28 | lcuk | RST38h, how many devices have you got connected to bt? |
| 17:17.41 | aquatix | ShadowJK: yeah, thought about that :) |
| 17:17.47 | RST38h | 1 |
| 17:17.53 | lcuk | and what app are you testing it in, because i notice repeaaaaaaaating letters when the cpu is busy |
| 17:18.03 | lcuk | but actual lag is minimal |
| 17:18.12 | RST38h | I had to reboot. Modest went nuts again, even although I explicitely disabled mail fetch |
| 17:18.14 | mgedmin | also used to see repeaaaaaaaaaaaating letters on BT keyboards |
| 17:18.20 | mgedmin | when the CPU was quite idle |
| 17:18.22 | RST38h | lcuk: xterm and xchat |
| 17:18.24 | lcuk | is it laggy if you reboot and go directly to the notes thingy |
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| 17:18.32 | RST38h | checking |
| 17:18.37 | lcuk | no other apps, complete baseline |
| 17:18.42 | mgedmin | or at least I hadn't noticed CPU busyness |
| 17:19.16 | RST38h | notes lags |
| 17:19.24 | RST38h | no other apps |
| 17:19.25 | lcuk | mgedmin, it appears to be timing related, the cpu might show 0% or not doing anything, but there is a stutter like a heartbeat about 3 times a second |
| 17:19.33 | crashanddie | Mhuwhahahahahahahaha |
| 17:19.35 | Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: did you manage to solve it? |
| 17:19.41 | Atarii | quick question: when cloning to external card, what is the FAT partition used for? |
| 17:19.47 | lcuk | RST38h, what extra applets have you got installed? |
| 17:19.51 | crashanddie | 20/20 written english exam, 20/20 oral english exam |
| 17:19.52 | crashanddie | :D |
| 17:19.57 | Stskeeps | Atarii: to make sure maemo doesn't bitch at unreadable SD |
| 17:19.57 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:20.04 | lcuk | thats good crashanddie, shame it was a french exam |
| 17:20.13 | Atarii | oh ok thanks |
| 17:20.15 | crashanddie | well |
| 17:20.16 | RST38h | search,rss (no scroll),omweather,clock,radio |
| 17:20.22 | crashanddie | I guess it kinda invalidates the grade |
| 17:20.32 | lcuk | try turning off and seeing, it might be a specific one |
| 17:20.58 | lcuk | has clock as only addin |
| 17:21.46 | lcuk | personally thinks the clock refreshes every 1/3 second (otherwise you can get in a situation where it displays wrong) |
| 17:23.15 | lcuk | back after t |
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| 17:24.37 | RST38h | Modest menu no longer shows up |
| 17:25.16 | RST38h | It appears and immediately disappears. I guess @%$%^#$ program is pissed at my turning automatic mail fetch off |
| 17:26.05 | Navi | you hurt it's feelings |
| 17:26.19 | crashanddie | its feelings |
| 17:26.22 | RST38h | it is now bodily harm turn... |
| 17:26.31 | qwerty12 | POW POW |
| 17:26.49 | qwerty12 | (That song is an LDN classic) |
| 17:27.33 | GeneralAntilles | Kate's blog post broke the front page. |
| 17:27.36 | Navi | RST38h, new iNES coming out any time soon? |
| 17:27.57 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, women |
| 17:28.17 | qwerty12 | Can't live w/out them, can't live with them. |
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| 17:28.48 | crashanddie | qwerty12, we're not living with 'em, she stills fucks up our front page |
| 17:29.01 | GAN800 | Ha |
| 17:29.12 | qwerty12 | In that case, iit's time for armshouse |
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| 17:30.43 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Hm yeah, that is in need of a fix :) |
| 17:31.02 | RST38h | Navi: MasterGear first |
| 17:31.07 | Navi | mmk |
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| 17:33.22 | RST38h | Ok, here is a story |
| 17:33.27 | Mousey | once upon a time |
| 17:33.33 | RST38h | It looks like connecting bt keyboard breaks modest |
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| 17:33.50 | RST38h | After I connect, then disconnect keyboard, Modest stops showing its menu |
| 17:33.52 | qwerty12 | oh shit, when's da sequal, this book is too shit |
| 17:33.55 | qwerty12 | *sick |
| 17:34.04 | qwerty12 | I'm so used to swearing :( |
| 17:34.19 | qwerty12 | I type the cursed words w/out even realising :/ |
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| 17:39.04 | qwerty12 | Hmm, what is scratchbox's arm-eabi-gcc equivalent? |
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| 17:42.41 | aquatix | qwerty12: what are you reading? |
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| 17:44.11 | tlax | would anybody happen to know what installs /etc/init.d/scratchbox-core.dpkg-new file? |
| 17:44.26 | tlax | as in.. where to file bugreports? |
| 17:44.53 | tlax | I used the maemo-installers to install |
| 17:46.43 | lcuk | I saw the kid that kate has a picture of at ltag, he was floating around the entire time. reminded me of the IBM linux adverts |
| 17:46.51 | MishaS | tlax, .dpkg-new files are intermediate files by dpkg during installation :) |
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| 18:05.10 | t_s_o | well that figures why i was able to blow my whole calendar syncing gpe. gpe had higher priority on "correctness" then my computer :S |
| 18:06.58 | Cptnodegard | i try again today since i got no reply last night... wil lfuture upgrades of apps and such be diablo only or chinopok too? |
| 18:07.15 | GAN800 | they're compatible. |
| 18:07.21 | Cptnodegard | thank god |
| 18:07.23 | GAN800 | basically |
| 18:07.35 | Cptnodegard | my osso backup doesnt work so i dont want to upgrade |
| 18:09.13 | t_s_o | hmm, anyone else having trouble getting passwordless logins working with openssh after diablo? |
| 18:10.02 | GAN800 | Try lussh? |
| 18:10.28 | t_s_o | ? |
| 18:10.41 | jsmith | t_s_o: No, it's working fine for me |
| 18:10.52 | GAN800 | It's a nice little script to set up keys for you. |
| 18:11.30 | t_s_o | GAN800: meh, dont like scripts for this stuff. they usually have some assumptions or other of what state things are in before they start |
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| 18:16.08 | t_s_o | bah, i copy the .pub as tolk but i still get the password prompt when trying to log in... |
| 18:16.32 | mgedmin | t_s_o: where do you copy it? |
| 18:16.42 | mgedmin | everything works for me just great |
| 18:16.49 | mgedmin | passwordless ssh-key logins everywhere |
| 18:16.52 | t_s_o | .ssh/authorized_keys2 on the tablet |
| 18:17.10 | GAN800 | You set up the key correctly? |
| 18:17.10 | mgedmin | fwiw you can ditch the 2, just .ssh/authorized_keys is fine |
| 18:17.18 | mgedmin | usually the problem is directory permissions |
| 18:17.23 | mgedmin | try chmod 600 ~/.ssh |
| 18:17.31 | mgedmin | and if that doesn't help, chmod g-w ~ |
| 18:19.34 | t_s_o | are you sure its supposed to be 600? |
| 18:20.35 | t_s_o | heh, was the access rights on the .ssh dir indeed. when all but user was stripped of rights, it works :) |
| 18:20.45 | t_s_o | its allways the smallest things... |
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| 18:25.12 | mgedmin | t_s_o: no, it's 700 actually, sorry |
| 18:25.18 | mgedmin | u=rwx, others = nothing |
| 18:25.33 | t_s_o | that i discovered ;) |
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| 18:27.49 | Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: Back yet? |
| 18:31.33 | JamieBennett | where is python installed installed in scratchbox? I have /usr/bin/python linked to /usr/bin/python2.5 but python reports version 2.3? |
| 18:32.33 | Capn_Fish | try "which python" |
| 18:32.56 | JamieBennett | I knew there was a command for it but the name escaped me, thanks |
| 18:33.20 | JamieBennett | For those that want to know its in /scratchbox/tools/bin/python |
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| 18:34.55 | Capn_Fish | No problem |
| 18:35.16 | crashanddie_ | say, why doesn't the youtube plugin for canola work... anyone had a similar experience (diablo. just black screen) |
| 18:36.41 | mgedmin | silly question: any console app that can tell me whether my gps got a fix already? |
| 18:37.02 | Jaffa | Ev'ning, all |
| 18:37.07 | crashanddie_ | not that I know of |
| 18:37.10 | JamieBennett | hey jaffa |
| 18:37.16 | GAN800 | crashanddie, mplayer oddness maybe? |
| 18:37.24 | GAN800 | Hey, Jaffa. |
| 18:38.08 | crashanddie_ | hmm, could be |
| 18:38.15 | mgedmin | telnet localhost gpsd? |
| 18:38.34 | mgedmin | um where can I get telnet for diablo? |
| 18:38.45 | mgedmin | or netcat? |
| 18:39.03 | GAN800 | gronmayer? . . . |
| 18:39.08 | Jaffa | mgedmin: 'ang on, there's a netcat package in mud |
| 18:39.15 | lcuk | what an amazing game :D http://puzzlefarter.com/ |
| 18:39.15 | mgedmin | stuck? |
| 18:39.20 | mgedmin | :) |
| 18:39.25 | Jaffa | tsk :) |
| 18:39.41 | mgedmin | once got his car stuck in mud while following maemo mapper's route directions |
| 18:42.31 | Jaffa | mgedmin: I would upload it, but garage.maemo.org is doing that "lost connection" thing again |
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| 18:43.32 | JamieBennett | Why is it that when I install python2.5 inside of scratchbox, running 'python' still results in it using the 2.3 version? Does python 2.3 need to be removed? |
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| 18:44.21 | Capn_Fish | You could just run python2.5 |
| 18:44.46 | JamieBennett | but I want to package an app up |
| 18:44.59 | Capn_Fish | You could just run python2.5 |
| 18:45.02 | Capn_Fish | So? |
| 18:45.05 | Capn_Fish | SOrry about that |
| 18:45.22 | Capn_Fish | Just link python2.5 to python |
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| 18:45.39 | Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: No? |
| 18:45.41 | lmoura | JamieBennett, scratchbox uses python for internal commands |
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| 18:45.48 | lmoura | in the device you can use python |
| 18:46.08 | JamieBennett | Imoura: Ah that makes sence |
| 18:47.02 | JamieBennett | Is there an easy way to gain root under scratchbox? |
| 18:47.32 | mgedmin | use fakeroot |
| 18:47.41 | mgedmin | usually it suffices |
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| 18:49.59 | sp3000 | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/pc_connectivity/ |
| 18:50.02 | sp3000 | "such as the maemo VMware appliance version 0.7 or newer." |
| 18:50.03 | sp3000 | I only see 0.6 available. |
| 18:50.07 | sp3000 | what's up with that? |
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| 18:54.31 | Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: If you get this, X11 gets NO input (touchscreen or kb, running as new user, either startx or xinit), and I'm off. |
| 18:55.03 | Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: Oh, and the keymap.map I gave you is TOTALLY broken. I already updated the Wiki |
| 18:59.50 | mpeterso1 | Hi, can anyone help me with e2fsprogs installation? I can't seem to find the right repository for it |
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| 19:01.01 | DarkenCZ | Hi, I am sorry for annoying you again, but can I ask who is defender and what parents does he like? :) I have this error when start meamo-launcher defender: died my parent is not who he claims to be |
| 19:01.05 | DarkenCZ | maemo-launcher: error rising the oom shield for pid=15818 status=2816 |
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| 19:05.49 | Mousey | overall i must admit, i'm pleased with the devil |
| 19:05.53 | Mousey | uh, i mean with diablo |
| 19:06.05 | DarkenCZ | :) |
| 19:06.21 | JamieBennett | I'm not with the diablo SDK :( |
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| 19:09.36 | DarkenCZ | JamieBennett: I can't compare, it's first SDK I am trying to install |
| 19:13.05 | mgedmin | DarkenCZ: how did you get that error? |
| 19:13.33 | DarkenCZ | I am tried to start maemo-launcher |
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| 19:13.38 | mgedmin | whatever for? |
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| 19:14.35 | ustunozgur_home | there are parent and child processes. |
| 19:14.42 | ustunozgur_home | maybe it's related. |
| 19:14.47 | mgedmin | and when parent processes love each other very much, ... |
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| 19:15.13 | DarkenCZ | Well, when I started af-sb-init.sh then I saw that maemo-launcher failed |
| 19:15.15 | ustunozgur_home | they use dbus |
| 19:15.19 | ustunozgur_home | :) |
| 19:15.58 | pupnik | http://blip.tv/file/1015028 l... m.... f..... a...... o........ |
| 19:16.09 | pupnik | l.m.F.a.o |
| 19:17.36 | DarkenCZ | so I tryed to execute /usr/bin/maemo-launcher |
| 19:17.39 | DarkenCZ | and get this error |
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| 19:21.30 | mgedmin | DarkenCZ: did you do that in the x86 or in the armel target |
| 19:21.51 | DarkenCZ | armel target |
| 19:22.02 | mgedmin | that won't work |
| 19:22.09 | DarkenCZ | I am sorry, maybe I miss something important with these targets |
| 19:22.14 | mgedmin | qemu is not complete enough to get the gui running |
| 19:22.22 | mgedmin | I believe the maemo tutorial mentions that |
| 19:22.44 | mgedmin | af-sb-init.sh is only supposed to work in x86 targets |
| 19:22.47 | DarkenCZ | Which tutorial do you mean? I saw many various tutorial today :) |
| 19:22.49 | mgedmin | which is a bit of a bother |
| 19:22.53 | mgedmin | since I don't have any ;) |
| 19:23.03 | mgedmin | 4 targets are quite sufficient thank you (mistral bora chinook diablo) |
| 19:23.05 | mgedmin | I don't want 8 |
| 19:23.20 | mgedmin | the Maemo Tutorial on maemo.org |
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| 19:24.30 | DarkenCZ | All I want to do is to establish sdk and be able to compile and make my own packages... I killed whole day trying to set up scratchbox |
| 19:28.13 | DarkenCZ | I used scratchbox and maemo scripts I found on maemo.org, but I don't have all software which is present on n810 |
| 19:28.20 | lcuk | DarkenCZ, there are a couple of prebuilt vmware images floating around at the moment which you could have a look at and see whats different to yours. hell you could just use them and compile happily for a while without all this. ive just downloaded a 4.1 image uploaded by keesj http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/1282 |
| 19:30.10 | DarkenCZ | lcuk: Thank you very much, I will try it |
| 19:31.22 | wazd | Is there any way to enlarge standard hildon tabs in height?) |
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| 19:33.07 | Atarii | pupnik thats awesome |
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| 19:33.17 | lcuk | wazd - isnt the style of the widget specified by the theme? |
| 19:33.23 | lcuk | ie sizes |
| 19:33.57 | pupnik | still laughing at it Atarii :) |
| 19:34.53 | Atarii | its loading like a mule here so only about half way through :( |
| 19:35.49 | pupnik | i let it load then copied it out of /tmp to play with mplayer |
| 19:36.12 | wazd | lcuk, I actually don't know cause I'm not very fammiliar with Maemo UI developing tools :( |
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| 19:37.05 | Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: Here now? |
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| 19:41.02 | lcuk | pupnik, :D the web guy is class |
| 19:41.17 | pupnik | "here's the thing: this... is a problem. you can't have people looking at this." |
| 19:44.31 | lcuk | the companies website was at the top of the penis |
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| 19:48.55 | Atarii | lol at his password "um its just the letter a" |
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| 20:04.43 | pupnik | Did you take down the website? "No" Nancy says you did. "Oh, um... Yeah" |
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| 20:05.00 | pupnik | man that brings back memories |
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| 20:11.51 | GeneralAntilles | Ah hooker |
| 20:11.53 | GeneralAntilles | spammers are back |
| 20:15.08 | wazd | pupnik, that was really hillarious :) |
| 20:15.25 | wazd | "i have no arrange by penis option" xD |
| 20:16.19 | pupnik | :) |
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| 20:53.38 | lcuk | the proper vmware appliance (http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/) has not been updated for diablo yet, is it still ok to use for developing |
| 20:53.41 | lcuk | ? |
| 20:54.20 | Atarii | doesnt diablo software ~= chinook software? |
| 20:55.13 | GeneralAntilles | Pretty much, but that may be slightly more complicated development-side. |
| 20:55.44 | Atarii | also question: when creating a swap partition on external card, do i still need to check "enable virtual memory" in control panel? |
| 20:55.51 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, shouldnt be complicated at all initially should it? its tied to chinook repos |
| 20:55.54 | qwerty12_N800 | Atarii, not as much. look at the list of changes and you will see quite a few version numbers are higher than chinook |
| 20:56.07 | Atarii | oh ok |
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| 20:56.46 | lcuk | well then, ill ask - is there a full graphical vmware appliance for diablo? |
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| 20:59.32 | Atarii | lcuk was it you that suggested that 1.0.0.0 was ipv6 and hence troubles with my dns |
| 20:59.33 | Atarii | ? |
| 21:00.12 | lcuk | it was me that found a few sites suggesting it yer - and everyone was talking about ip6 having just been installed etc |
| 21:00.26 | Atarii | aha, thanks for the help, it definately was ipv6 troubles |
| 21:00.49 | Atarii | but 2008he bugs out when trying to add manual dns entries |
| 21:00.49 | qwerty12_N800 | did you fix it? |
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| 21:01.05 | lcuk | really good to know for future then |
| 21:01.18 | Atarii | i changed to 2006 and put in opendns as the dns addresses |
| 21:01.20 | Atarii | then it worked |
| 21:01.37 | lcuk | atarii, do you fancy just putting a small posting on iTT to let people in similar situation know what to do? |
| 21:01.44 | Atarii | sure |
| 21:02.03 | lcuk | great :D GeneralAntilles will love you forever |
| 21:02.17 | Atarii | lol |
| 21:02.24 | GeneralAntilles | me love you long time |
| 21:02.35 | lcuk | i think he might even have your babies if you put it on the wiki :P |
| 21:02.45 | Atarii | is it worth adding 2008he bugs to bugzilla? |
| 21:03.03 | GeneralAntilles | Atarii, probably not. |
| 21:03.09 | GeneralAntilles | There's a garage tracker for the backport. |
| 21:03.12 | Toba | he? |
| 21:03.18 | GeneralAntilles | Hacker Edition |
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| 21:04.19 | Atarii | oh man im a noob, its already on iTT |
| 21:04.22 | Atarii | doh! |
| 21:05.52 | lcuk | LOL! |
| 21:06.06 | Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: aye |
| 21:06.20 | lcuk | Captain fish eye? |
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| 21:07.08 | Hrw | uff.. xchat on n810|again |
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| 21:08.31 | qwerty12_N800 | meh, i still wish skyhusker's svn repo was still up, we are .0.2 versions behind, imagine that! |
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| 21:10.29 | Hrw | does omweather 0.20.5 works for someone? |
| 21:10.38 | Hrw | It does not fetch data here |
| 21:10.56 | qwerty12_N800 | works for me |
| 21:11.38 | Hrw | maybe local pproblems |
| 21:11.44 | Hrw | will check tomorrow |
| 21:11.44 | Atarii | same here Hrw |
| 21:11.56 | Hrw | have a nice eveening |
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| 21:12.59 | crashanddie | lights up a cig and throws one to lcuk |
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| 21:13.32 | Atarii | boo |
| 21:15.41 | qwerty12_N800 | anyone know any other black themes for os2008 'cept lcars? |
| 21:15.58 | straind | What is 2008HE? |
| 21:16.11 | straind | hoped a bot would know. |
| 21:16.12 | lcuk | crashanddie, :) thanks matey. |
| 21:16.23 | Atarii | straind 2008 os for the 770 |
| 21:16.26 | lcuk | why arent you out drinking beer, you deserve it |
| 21:16.39 | crashanddie | because my mates are all screwing their girlfriends |
| 21:16.50 | crashanddie | have to meet up with 'em around midnight :D |
| 21:16.54 | straind | Atarii: Thanks. I was hoping for a link from a bot. |
| 21:17.54 | Atarii | for the download image? http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/os2008_hacker_edition.php |
| 21:17.57 | lcuk | why aren't you out screwing their girlfriends as well? |
| 21:18.15 | DarkenCZ | I get this warning, when I do apt-get update : W: Conflicting distribution: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com diablo Release (expected diablo but got ) |
| 21:18.33 | straind | Atarii: Thanks again. : ) |
| 21:18.37 | qwerty12_N800 | maybe, they're fugly |
| 21:18.46 | lcuk | or inflatable |
| 21:18.47 | DarkenCZ | When I start apt-get update, I get this warning: W: Conflicting distribution: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com diablo Release (expected diablo but got ) |
| 21:18.50 | qwerty12_N800 | DarkenCZ, ignore it :) |
| 21:19.06 | DarkenCZ | When I do apt-get update, I get this error W: Conflicting distribution: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com diablo Release (expected diablo but got ) |
| 21:19.06 | crashanddie | lcuk, they're jealous... Even though I'm not... |
| 21:19.41 | DarkenCZ | I get this warning, when I do apt-get update : W: Conflicting distribution: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com diablo Release (expected diablo but got ) |
| 21:19.48 | qwerty12_N800 | we know. |
| 21:20.03 | crashanddie | DarkenCZ, really ? What's the error message ? |
| 21:20.14 | straind | I just had to flash my 770, and I figure I may as well try 2008HE before I get it loaded up with too many personalizations. |
| 21:20.17 | crashanddie | DarkenCZ, can you repeat that once more, I think we might have missed that ! :) |
| 21:20.44 | GeneralAntilles | DarkenCZ, that's normal ignore it. |
| 21:20.50 | DarkenCZ | I get this warning, in apt-get update: W: Conflicting distribution: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com diablo Release (expected diablo but got ), what I am supposed to do with that? :) |
| 21:21.15 | lcuk | !!! |
| 21:21.30 | DarkenCZ | I get this warning, in apt-get update: W: Conflicting distribution: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com diablo Release (expected diablo but got ), what I am supposed to do with that? :) |
| 21:21.32 | lcuk | someone owes me a new keyboard |
| 21:21.34 | *** part/#maemo DarkenCZ (n=michal@rb3g230.net.upc.cz) |
| 21:21.52 | lcuk | oh shit |
| 21:21.54 | qwerty12_N800 | w00t, no more apt-get msgs |
| 21:22.00 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, when are you gonna find a staffer to re-register this channel in your name? :D |
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| 21:22.23 | straind | Has anyone notice the latest version of MaemoMapper being slower on 2006? |
| 21:22.32 | X-Fade | Yes, we need to register it to a few community members. |
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| 21:22.36 | lcuk | i can has 2006 on my n810? |
| 21:22.38 | khertan | Hi ! |
| 21:22.46 | lcuk | hi khertan :D |
| 21:22.50 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Let's try to do that tomorrow. |
| 21:22.57 | X-Fade | getting sleepy ;) |
| 21:23.08 | khertan | someone have try diablo email with gmail ? |
| 21:23.13 | DarkenCZ | When I tried to do apt-get update, I get this warning, what I am supposed to do with that? :) W: Conflicting distribution: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com diablo Release (expected diablo but got ) |
| 21:23.16 | khertan | Hi lcuk |
| 21:23.35 | X-Fade | DarkenCZ: We saw you the first time too. |
| 21:23.45 | lcuk | DarkenCZ, people have answered you already. apparantly you just do nothing |
| 21:23.55 | lcuk | if you can continue, please do so |
| 21:24.20 | lcuk | at the moment it sounds like you have a stutter |
| 21:24.29 | X-Fade | Ok, I'll put the log up on the website tomorrow. |
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| 21:25.04 | DarkenCZ | I am sorry, my irc client get stuck and it looked I am unable to send message :( |
| 21:25.04 | X-Fade | See, that sleepy, I am. |
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| 21:25.24 | DarkenCZ | I am apologize if you saw it more times, but I didn't catch any reply :( |
| 21:25.27 | lcuk | throws x-fade a beer |
| 21:25.45 | khertan | throws X-Fade a coffee :) |
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| 21:26.05 | X-Fade | Bye |
| 21:26.09 | lcuk | gnite x |
| 21:26.16 | lcuk | -fade |
| 21:26.19 | khertan | drink a coffee and try again to compile edje-editor ... |
| 21:26.23 | lcuk | so it doesnt look like im blowing a kiss |
| 21:26.30 | khertan | gute nachte |
| 21:26.41 | Toba | blows a kiss to lcuk |
| 21:27.42 | lcuk | toba, your tab completion is screwed, surely you meant GeneralAntilles :P |
| 21:27.55 | GeneralAntilles | hides under his desk. |
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| 21:28.30 | Toba | flibble. |
| 21:31.14 | lcuk | khertan, edge-editor looks good |
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| 21:34.00 | lcuk | thinks edge looks a lot like the editors he has created |
| 21:34.01 | burnte | oh man, timeless? Jeez, I could have just asked on moznet if I knew you were here. :) |
| 21:35.52 | burnte | ok, so, question. http://maemo.org/development/documentation/pc_connectivity/ says "such as the maemo VMware appliance version 0.7 or newer." but I only see 0.6 available |
| 21:38.12 | Jaffa | beds |
| 21:38.23 | burnte | jaffa, kree! |
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| 21:38.49 | lbt | I fixed my problem.... |
| 21:39.21 | lcuk | yer lbt, what did it turn out to be |
| 21:39.23 | lbt | sigc::bind() needs to wrap objects called by reference in a sigc::ref().... |
| 21:39.27 | lbt | obviously... |
| 21:39.35 | lcuk | clear as mud |
| 21:39.50 | lbt | it was silently doing a shallow copy |
| 21:40.02 | lbt | and then sometimes reusing the shallow copy AFAICT |
| 21:40.11 | sp3000 | dammit |
| 21:40.28 | burnte | sorry sp3000, there's no escaping me. |
| 21:40.31 | lbt | anyhow - back to making progress... |
| 21:40.54 | sp3000 | I'm inclined to reply to https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3298#c3 just to say that since the bar does pop us as before, the behaviour is clearly roughly 80% different, not 100% |
| 21:40.58 | lbt | bows deeply and returns to the arms of emacs... |
| 21:41.21 | sp3000 | emacs has enough arms for everyone |
| 21:41.54 | burnte | it's like vishnu! |
| 21:41.54 | pupnik | hah |
| 21:43.32 | lcuk | lbt :) glad its solved anyway |
| 21:45.06 | Atarii | oh man, id just completed my dual boot setup, then i stupidly use the windows flasher to install new os on the internel :( |
| 21:46.45 | GAN800 | That's why you back up a copy of the bootmenu-ed initfs to your computer to flash. ;) |
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| 21:49.33 | dmsuperman | What app can I use to watch movies with? |
| 21:49.51 | dmsuperman | MPlayer won't let me seek anything, and it doesn't seem to play them at a reasonable rate |
| 21:50.10 | GeneralAntilles | Er |
| 21:50.13 | GeneralAntilles | mplayer. . . . |
| 21:50.18 | GeneralAntilles | Seek with the dpad or menu. |
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| 21:50.26 | dmsuperman | ^^ |
| 21:51.11 | dmsuperman | yeah, highlighting the menu Seek option and hitting right, or enter, or all manner of buttons doesn't seek |
| 21:51.20 | GeneralAntilles | What source? |
| 21:51.33 | dmsuperman | SD card |
| 21:51.40 | GeneralAntilles | The answer to video playback on the NITs is pretty much always "mplayer" |
| 21:51.43 | GeneralAntilles | Something's wrong then |
| 21:51.46 | GeneralAntilles | FLV? |
| 21:51.57 | dmsuperman | the video is a divx avi |
| 21:52.17 | GeneralAntilles | Should seek just fine. :\ |
| 21:52.43 | lcuk | dmsuperman, i think seek on movies like that requires keyframes - if there arent keyframes (everything based on variation from first/previous) then you cant seek, but dont quote me on that one |
| 21:53.03 | dmsuperman | but then would it seek everywhere but the n800? |
| 21:53.30 | dmsuperman | assuming mplayer here is just a port of MPlayer on linux desktops...it even works on my desktop MPlayer |
| 21:53.32 | dmsuperman | and vlc |
| 21:53.34 | dmsuperman | etc. |
| 21:54.34 | lcuk | well then i dunno, but someone else might have same problem |
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| 21:54.39 | lcuk | http://archives.free.net.ph/message/20080613.225837.a8cb05ee.hu.html |
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| 21:55.43 | dmsuperman | etc. |
| 21:55.47 | lcuk | theres more by searching google for mplayer "seek bug" |
| 21:56.10 | dmsuperman | woops...i meant to say "is that page small screen friendly?" |
| 21:56.16 | dmsuperman | I'm on the n800 right now |
| 21:57.13 | dmsuperman | hrm |
| 21:57.57 | Dekaritae | Graaagh |
| 21:58.19 | dmsuperman | that says he's having issues where the audio restarts |
| 21:58.19 | dmsuperman | my problem is that the video won't even seek at all |
| 21:58.36 | Dekaritae | I bought a mini USB keyboard for my N800 |
| 21:58.48 | lcuk | dmsuperman, is it one single movie |
| 21:58.51 | lcuk | or every movie |
| 21:58.57 | Dekaritae | when I turn on USB host and plug it in, it behaves as if the Fn key is held down |
| 21:59.02 | dmsuperman | i'm not sure, i only have one movie to test with |
| 21:59.11 | dmsuperman | i know this movie seeks elsewhere however |
| 21:59.18 | Dekaritae | so the Fn numpad is always active, and half the qwerty keys don't work |
| 21:59.40 | lcuk | dmsuperman, then watch it elsewhere and test with others you get, it really could be a once only glitch |
| 22:00.09 | lcuk | everyone here uses mplayer and can do the things you say, but im also sure many of us have had bad movies which wouldnt work |
| 22:00.12 | lcuk | *shrug* |
| 22:04.16 | lcuk | wow, how many days has bill been gone? http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/06/30/1942211 |
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| 22:18.11 | pupnik | ONN: "Warcraft Sequel Lets You Play A Character Playing Warcraft" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw8gE3lnpLQ |
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| 22:23.01 | lcuk | pupnik, I see your wowow and raise you a http://www.wegame.com/watch/World_of_Workcraft/ |
| 22:23.36 | pupnik | hyeh |
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| 22:27.07 | timely | burnte: um (in scrollback) |
| 22:27.43 | timely | fwiw, http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/ seems to be up for people w/ mxr-dns |
| 22:29.14 | timely | hrm.... |
| 22:30.26 | crashanddie | I'm starting to get pissed |
| 22:30.56 | crashanddie | when using esd, it's such an old arch that it frigging fails |
| 22:31.05 | crashanddie | when using gstreamer |
| 22:31.14 | crashanddie | for some reason it just fails miserably when run on the tablet |
| 22:31.16 | crashanddie | bleh |
| 22:31.18 | crashanddie | gonna get drunk |
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| 22:31.52 | zak__ | Hi .. i have a WSOD nokia 770 that i cannot return.. i bought it off ebay and the warranty is dead |
| 22:32.00 | zak__ | how would i go about and fixing it? |
| 22:32.05 | zak__ | everytime i power it on .. WSOD |
| 22:32.08 | zak__ | i tried reflashing.. and nothing |
| 22:32.09 | burnte | timely: I'm jsut wondering, is it a typo, is it not out yet, or am I jsut not finding it? |
| 22:32.10 | timely | you've pulled the battery? |
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| 22:32.22 | zak__ | timely: yeah.. several times |
| 22:32.32 | zak__ | didnt help |
| 22:32.34 | timely | infobot mxr-maemo-org-dns? |
| 22:33.12 | timely | it's not a typo, but it does require a package to be installed |
| 22:33.15 | timely | infobot, mxr.maemo.org deb? |
| 22:33.16 | infobot | well, mxr.maemo.org deb is unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/mxr-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb |
| 22:33.36 | timely | burnte: install that... |
| 22:33.41 | timely | then try again :) |
| 22:33.47 | zak__ | anyone know how to fix a wsod nokia 770 ? |
| 22:33.51 | zak__ | or a way i can try |
| 22:33.54 | zak__ | im up for just about anything |
| 22:36.21 | timely | burnte: i need to bug ferenc about getting a proper dns entry |
| 22:36.48 | timely | now that the xref for diablo is up, it'd be a good time to do it |
| 22:36.51 | zakm | how do i fix a nokia 770 WSOD ? |
| 22:37.23 | pupnik | ebay |
| 22:37.54 | burnte | zakm: Also try http://internettablettalk.com/ |
| 22:38.16 | zakm | i tried there |
| 22:38.26 | zakm | i tried all the ideas of taking out battery.. waiting.. putting in |
| 22:38.36 | zakm | i want to try and open up and fix possibly? but theres no guides for that |
| 22:38.45 | burnte | try starting it up, then pulling the battery while it's on |
| 22:38.49 | burnte | also, were flashes successful? |
| 22:38.58 | florian | zakm: Its a hardware issue, return it. |
| 22:39.00 | zakm | flashes were succesful |
| 22:39.02 | zakm | i cant return it? |
| 22:39.08 | zakm | i bought on ebay.. nokia warranty is over |
| 22:39.16 | burnte | did teh ebayer say it was working? |
| 22:39.17 | zakm | it lasted a good month? then i got wsod |
| 22:39.20 | burnte | if so, then it's not as described. |
| 22:39.22 | timely | oh, hi burnte :) |
| 22:39.23 | burnte | ahh |
| 22:39.24 | zakm | it was working fine.. for the first month |
| 22:39.31 | burnte | timely: OH HAI |
| 22:39.35 | zakm | i tried that gameboy emulation app |
| 22:39.41 | zakm | it froze my nokia.. wouldnt turn or anything |
| 22:39.46 | zakm | took out battery.. put back in.. damn wsod |
| 22:39.54 | burnte | timely: Yeah, some other sod has taken jx on freenode, so I resort to this nick here. |
| 22:40.04 | zakm | its fine.. i can turn on hear noises.. goto sound it plays.. but i dont have any visual -.- |
| 22:40.37 | zakm | i get the usual wsod white lines. .and when i click around the lines change position |
| 22:40.58 | florian | zakm: very unfortunate. From what I know this is a hardware failure that occurs after several reboots. |
| 22:41.11 | zakm | how would i fix it though |
| 22:41.19 | zakm | im 17 years old.. i spent alot of my money on it |
| 22:41.31 | zakm | im up for really anything.. without warranty.. what do i have to lose? |
| 22:41.39 | Dekaritae | Reflash |
| 22:41.49 | Dekaritae | That is the answer I was given in the same situation |
| 22:41.51 | florian | right, try to flash a new image first |
| 22:41.52 | burnte | he said several reflashes did nothing |
| 22:41.59 | zakm | reflash didnt work |
| 22:42.02 | zakm | i tried like 5 times |
| 22:42.06 | Dekaritae | Get a new battery |
| 22:42.09 | zakm | i tried 2008 HE , 2007HE and 2006 -.- |
| 22:42.19 | zakm | new battery would work? |
| 22:42.24 | zakm | it works fine.. i just cant see anything. |
| 22:42.36 | zakm | i memorized the spots.. so i can play some music? lol |
| 22:42.51 | Dekaritae | Just a thought. I don't know the cause |
| 22:42.52 | timely | burnte: anyway... did you install the deb? :) |
| 22:42.58 | zakm | a new battery would fix it? .. on ITT people said its the LCD controller? |
| 22:43.08 | burnte | timely: Which one? |
| 22:43.11 | zakm | how do you guys open it up anywhere.. i searched for a screwdriver that small and couldnt find |
| 22:43.15 | timely | mxr-maemo-org-dns :) |
| 22:43.20 | burnte | oh |
| 22:43.25 | burnte | no, lemme do so |
| 22:43.36 | Dekaritae | Batteries can be the cause of many issues that look like they have other causes |
| 22:43.46 | lcuk | zakm, ive not heard of anyone rectifying this problem themselves. small screwdrivers kits are available in hardware stores |
| 22:44.14 | zakm | lcuk: my dad used to have a idk glass metal w.e business i dont quite know and theres 100s of screwdrivers but icant find one that small |
| 22:44.19 | zakm | i got awfully close |
| 22:44.43 | zakm | should i try a new battery like should i try to find someone with the same size battery and try? |
| 22:44.50 | timely | oh brother. i can't change my nick because of some restrictive policy on #maemo-meeting |
| 22:45.25 | lcuk | zakm, if you can find someone with the same model battery, that would of course be a none destructive option |
| 22:45.42 | zakm | is it worth searching for someone though? |
| 22:46.19 | zakm | this is insane. i paid $85 for it.. lasted a month.. and now its like garbage -.- |
| 22:46.20 | burnte | "Forged DNS entry for mxr.maemo.org" Oh timely, that instills me with such confidence! |
| 22:46.39 | Dekaritae | You bought it uses, with no warranty |
| 22:46.51 | zakm | it was cheap .. even still though |
| 22:46.53 | burnte | zakm: Like I said, search the itt forums and such too. |
| 22:46.54 | zakm | WSOD -.- |
| 22:47.01 | zakm | im a high school student. i cant afford new instore |
| 22:47.12 | burnte | timely: Installed, now what? |
| 22:47.21 | zakm | burnte: have when it first got wsod like a month or two ago |
| 22:47.26 | zakm | burnte: and im checking now |
| 22:47.28 | lcuk | zakm, do yourself the one thing which might possibly work. write a real letter to nokia and tell them honestly what happened and ask for advice. a real letter is important because email can be ignored or dismissed easily |
| 22:47.32 | Dekaritae | I paid $160 for my N800, but did so knowing that it is not going to last forever |
| 22:48.02 | lcuk | you are right that you have paid a lot of money and you have this fault. maybe someone will agree from within nokia and attempt to help you more |
| 22:48.09 | zakm | i always wanted a nokia 770 .. ever since it came out .. but at 14 ( 2005.. i was 14 ) i couldnt afford it ;p |
| 22:48.28 | zakm | would i be able to go to a nokia store? i live in Toronto, ON |
| 22:48.44 | Dekaritae | zakm: also, the 770 uses the B-7827 battery, which is standardised by Nokia and uses by many other phone |
| 22:48.45 | lcuk | This is a problem which doesnt really have any user curable solution |
| 22:48.52 | lcuk | zakm, try anything |
| 22:49.17 | timely | burnte: now try the mxr url again |
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| 22:49.31 | lcuk | i do hope you get something sorted because the nokia tablets are amazing (you already know that) |
| 22:49.43 | zakm | hell yeah |
| 22:49.48 | zakm | spent so long on it :D |
| 22:49.55 | zakm | got all the apps i could on the thing |
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| 22:50.24 | m-c | I got someone else to buy a NIT today |
| 22:50.47 | m-c | That's like the sixth sale I recommended :) |
| 22:50.53 | zakm | lol |
| 22:50.55 | zakm | which one? |
| 22:50.56 | lcuk | zakm, the one thing to be clear about is that this is not a user fault. |
| 22:51.01 | zakm | NIT's are so expensive online -.- |
| 22:51.25 | zakm | lcuk: is there a way to make them fix it.. even though its out of warranty? |
| 22:51.25 | m-c | This one bought a 810 on ebay for $270 |
| 22:51.29 | burnte | timely: http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/ works with your dns patch |
| 22:51.42 | timely | fwiw it looks like ferenc or marcel are really trying to get mxr.maemo.org to work properly :) |
| 22:52.05 | Dekaritae | http://toronto.en.craigslist.ca/tor/sys/725342161.html |
| 22:52.08 | lcuk | zakm, they are under no obligation to help you, though perhaps someone will go above and beyond for you. |
| 22:52.34 | timely | should go and try to push the garage update, which is um.. a lot bigger |
| 22:52.55 | zakm | being 17 year old might help? |
| 22:53.24 | lcuk | when i was your age i had a situation with a cd burner. i contacted the company (i got it as an aged freebie incomplete system) and managed to get interface cards and drivers sent out. :) |
| 22:53.31 | Dekaritae | Ooch |
| 22:53.31 | Dekaritae | http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/sys/716411218.html |
| 22:53.31 | burnte | timely: But blimey diablo is buggy |
| 22:53.34 | Dekaritae | Now I'm tempted |
| 22:54.01 | zakm | lcuk: were you still under warranty? |
| 22:54.09 | zakm | $120 is expensive -.- |
| 22:54.19 | lcuk | what warranty? i got it out of a dumpster |
| 22:54.24 | zakm | i saw a nokia N810 on toronto craigslist for $150 ;p |
| 22:54.31 | lcuk | the cd drive however was expensive |
| 22:54.43 | zakm | lcuk: you found the cd drive.. called up .. and they sent drivers? |
| 22:54.50 | lcuk | and hardware |
| 22:54.54 | zakm | wow |
| 22:55.07 | lcuk | i got interface card, cd caddies drivers and instructions |
| 22:55.09 | zakm | http://toronto.en.craigslist.ca/tor/sys/700208425.html $150 N810 |
| 22:55.35 | zakm | wow |
| 22:55.43 | burnte | zakm: His point is, if you're polite, and the company cares about its reputation, they'll usually try to help you in some way. |
| 22:55.57 | lcuk | ^^ thats what i meant |
| 22:56.09 | burnte | :) |
| 22:56.34 | zakm | im in a city.. they care less ;p |
| 22:56.43 | burnte | no, he said to write to Nokia |
| 22:56.48 | burnte | not jsut go to the local store |
| 22:57.05 | burnte | the execs at the company care a little more than minimum wage counter jockeys. |
| 22:57.14 | zakm | you really think the letters do stuff nowadays? |
| 22:57.20 | burnte | I know they do. |
| 22:57.31 | burnte | check out The Consumerist's talk about EECBs. |
| 22:57.41 | zakm | whats that? |
| 22:58.02 | burnte | That's their slang for mailing company executives. Executive Email Carpet bomb. |
| 22:58.16 | burnte | like the folks who write to steve jobs when their mac breaks |
| 22:59.19 | burnte | but yes, polite and well written letters do wonders. |
| 22:59.32 | burnte | they show you've put time and thought into the situation. |
| 23:00.01 | zakm | im not a great writer. |
| 23:00.23 | burnte | I didn't say gerat, I said well written. :) Take your time, run it past your english teacher. |
| 23:00.28 | lcuk | take your time, ask advice from teachers/parents |
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| 23:00.40 | burnte | heck, maybe she'll give you extra credit if you keep her in the loop for your communications, showing off what a good teacher she is. :) |
| 23:03.44 | zakm | its summer lol |
| 23:03.59 | lcuk | lol |
| 23:04.06 | burnte | oh, right. Well, you have parents, right? Your'e not an urchin living in doorways, I would assume. |
| 23:04.21 | zakm | dont get along with parents too well |
| 23:04.29 | zakm | i suppose so |
| 23:04.38 | burnte | you're 17, no 17 year old gets along with their parents well. |
| 23:04.41 | burnte | it's a law of nature. |
| 23:04.43 | zakm | i wish i could just goto the store.. show them its broken pick up a new one and walk out |
| 23:05.06 | burnte | I'd be surprised if they even still stock 770s. |
| 23:05.11 | lcuk | try that first if its simpler, but i dont think it will work |
| 23:05.14 | burnte | but you could try. Again, politeness is a must. |
| 23:05.38 | timely | discontinued products don't get regenerated |
| 23:05.48 | timely | nor resurrected |
| 23:05.58 | burnte | timeless: So, they're not like Doctor Who? |
| 23:06.02 | timely | the parts and manufacturing for them become more expensive as time passes |
| 23:06.03 | burnte | nor Christ? |
| 23:06.05 | timely | burnte: sadly |
| 23:06.18 | burnte | takes his n810 out of the Tardis... |
| 23:06.21 | timely | it could be a bug |
| 23:06.35 | zakm | i never seen a NIT at a store? |
| 23:07.05 | zakm | i saw the nokia 770 on engadget years ago and then when i was surfing ebay i saw it and im like OMG i remember this I WANT IT :P |
| 23:10.09 | burnte | zakm: http://www.teleread.org/blog/2007/08/11/nokia-n770s-white-screen-of-death-the-lowdown-from-internet-table-talk/ |
| 23:10.19 | burnte | sadly, that sounds entirely plausible. |
| 23:10.42 | zakm | sorry g2g lol |
| 23:10.45 | burnte | Given that, I'd say write Nokia. State that after researching, it seems your 770 has fallen prey to this problem with the LCD controllers. |
| 23:10.57 | burnte | maybe if you present yourself nicely, they'll replace it. |
| 23:11.01 | burnte | always worth a shot. |
| 23:11.08 | burnte | or you could say g2g lol and leave. |
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