| 00:00.05 | timelyx | lcuk: note that it resembles the debian approach to bugs |
| 00:00.15 | timelyx | you take a list of bugs that might or might not be resolved by shipping a "release" |
| 00:00.21 | Robot101 | and INVALID is equivalent to insulting the reporter's mother, so it needs to be re-opened by the error manager and closed with a different more mutually acceptable resolution |
| 00:00.21 | timelyx | and you mass change them w/ some random resolution |
| 00:01.10 | timelyx | Robot101++ |
| 00:01.53 | gentooer | anyone using the modified initfs with Diablo? |
| 00:02.14 | guenther | timelyx: So you want that bit removed for your personal address? |
| 00:02.21 | GeneralAntilles | Lots of people, gentooer. |
| 00:02.30 | timelyx | guenther: please |
| 00:02.30 | Robot101 | its OK though, the bugzilla hacks still don't match the bug procedure, so you can violate the procedure by just assigning the bugs back to people, and they just disappear off everyone's graphs. its great. |
| 00:02.33 | GeneralAntilles | fanoush updated the flasher a while ago. |
| 00:02.38 | guenther | timelyx: Consider it done |
| 00:02.40 | timelyx | if i want to comment from a nokia address, i'll do so |
| 00:02.54 | guenther | Hey, *I* did not set that bit. |
| 00:03.00 | timelyx | however the likelihood of me ever wanting to do that is infinitesimally small |
| 00:03.11 | guenther | And if I remember correctly, it might have been you actually. ;-) |
| 00:03.21 | gentooer | GeneralAntilles, if i'm upgrading to Diablo can I just flash it and the modified initfs will still work? |
| 00:03.47 | GeneralAntilles | Go grab fanoush's updated flasher and re-run it. |
| 00:04.10 | timelyx | Jaffa: the ctrl-e thing was really annoying (find) |
| 00:04.38 | gentooer | but i boot off my SD card.. won't the Diablo update install everything on the internal flash memory? |
| 00:05.01 | GeneralAntilles | gentooer, no, you can't flash the rootfs directly to the card. |
| 00:05.33 | gentooer | ok.. guess i'll have to copy it all over again then |
| 00:05.37 | GeneralAntilles | Flashing Diablo wont upgrade your SD install. |
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| 00:06.52 | GeneralAntilles | Assuming I read you correctly, the procedure you want is 1. Flash Diablo, 2. Setup the bootmenu.conf (or use an old one) and flash fanoush's new initfs, 3. Get Diablo set up how you want, 4. Overwrite it over your SD partition, and 5. Boot from your new Diablo SD install. |
| 00:07.14 | timelyx | GAN800 / rm_you: 3326 was something someone changed |
| 00:07.40 | gentooer | GeneralAntilles, that sounds about right, thanks for explaining :) |
| 00:07.52 | timelyx | it bit me as i was trying to add new garage repos |
| 00:08.55 | GeneralAntilles | Thanks for reminding me, gentooer. I need to do that and add my custom boot images again. ;0 |
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| 00:18.41 | lcuk | ~lart harddrives |
| 00:18.41 | infobot | brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, harddrives!" and lops off harddrives's head |
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| 00:38.43 | |penguinbait| | anyone have android on 810 working? |
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| 00:47.50 | timelyx | derf: it's ok, the supreme court declared the gun ban unconstitutional |
| 00:47.55 | timelyx | so now the guns are legal :) |
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| 00:48.25 | derf | timelyx: Actually, not quite yet they aren't. |
| 00:48.27 | summatusmentis | lcuk: agreed... just had a second one die |
| 00:48.35 | derf | They've got a couple of weeks to figure out how to deal with that. |
| 00:48.59 | summatusmentis | supreme court just declared that the first amendment right applied to individuals, right? |
| 00:49.00 | lcuk | well thankfully mine isn't quite dead. it was just resting |
| 00:49.31 | summatusmentis | mine was making cliking noises, and d couldn't be fond to mount |
| 00:49.42 | |penguinbait| | anyone have android on 810 working? |
| 00:49.58 | summatusmentis | there's a video of it, iirc |
| 00:51.31 | lcuk | summatusmentis, ive had my first bsod *ever* in windows xp tonight! |
| 00:52.10 | summatusmentis | lcuk: I don't use window :) |
| 00:52.13 | summatusmentis | windows* |
| 00:52.24 | summatusmentis | but congratulations, i suppose |
| 00:52.26 | lcuk | well without your harddrive you dont use anything :P |
| 00:52.40 | summatusmentis | lol, the APple store fixed it |
| 00:53.26 | summatusmentis | but my backups are at home, and I'm not :-/ |
| 00:53.47 | gentooer | i just tried reinstalling openssh from the maemo site after upgrading to Diablo and it says "Application package not found" does that mean it's not compatible with Diablo or is it just broken? |
| 00:54.05 | lcuk | summatusmentis, ouch, so they just replaced the drive |
| 00:54.29 | summatusmentis | yeah, it was under warranty |
| 00:54.45 | summatusmentis | this is the second HD I've had die within the first year of having this |
| 00:54.52 | GeneralAntilles | gentooer, it's not in Diable Extras yet. |
| 00:55.05 | lcuk | i suppose its better than a kick in the teeth, but data is more important than physical, at least you have backups |
| 00:55.05 | GeneralAntilles | Duplicate the maemo Extras repository in application manager and add chinook to the distribution field. |
| 00:55.39 | summatusmentis | lcuk: I do, except I just left for vacation yesterday *rolls eyes* |
| 00:55.59 | gentooer | ok thanks.. still don't really understand how these repos work.. |
| 00:56.11 | lcuk | *facepalm* |
| 00:57.13 | lcuk | anyway, now its working again, im gonna sleep |
| 00:57.16 | lcuk | gnite |
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| 00:59.41 | GeneralAntilles | gentooer, the .installs on maemo.org have a blank distribution field (for Extras, anyway), which defaults to whatever the current distribution you're using is (for you, diablo), but the Diablo area of Extras hasn't yet been populated (packages are being run through the autobuilder, should be mostly worked out in a few weeks), so the .install tells Application manager that you want to install the openssh package from Extras, |
| 00:59.55 | GeneralAntilles | Chinook packages are basically 99% compatible with Diablo |
| 01:00.11 | GeneralAntilles | so the stop-gap solution until Diablo Extras is populated is to simply add Chinook Extras to your repository list. |
| 01:01.21 | gentooer | ah wow thanks |
| 01:04.12 | gentooer | ah that feels better.. can't have a linux install without ssh access :) |
| 01:04.49 | timelyx | andre__: i'd have put 3330 in Misdirected:Nokia :) |
| 01:05.37 | andre__ | ah, that's good. need to realize that there's something like "misdirected". though it's ugly, here it fits |
| 01:06.21 | GeneralAntilles | I was gonna do that when I saw, but couldn't find it. :( |
| 01:06.56 | GeneralAntilles | s/saw/saw it/ |
| 01:07.35 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: you should practice cutting bugzilla url length |
| 01:08.54 | GeneralAntilles | tinyurl? |
| 01:09.34 | timeless | https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED&field-1-0-0=target_milestone&field-1-1-0=bug_status&field0-0-0=noop&keywords |
| 01:10.09 | timelyx | gah! |
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| 01:10.41 | timelyx | basically anything that is x=& can be replaced by & |
| 01:14.55 | timelyx | and things which rely on pairs for which you've deleted the pair |
| 01:16.45 | GeneralAntilles | So, the 4.1 bug list should be something like: https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&target_milestone=4.1&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED ? |
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| 01:21.53 | benh | ah cool, AGPS helper, rocks |
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| 01:22.08 | benh | still needs to improve the GUI of bluetooth pan ... |
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| 01:25.30 | benh | crao |
| 01:25.37 | benh | martin never commited my updates |
| 01:25.42 | benh | nor did a release |
| 01:25.50 | benh | oh well, I'll add some more stuffs and we'll see |
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| 01:34.10 | timelyx | reads the troll conversation from n days ago w/ interest |
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| 01:35.56 | timelyx | gourdin: fwiw, everyone can sound rude. i often sound rude. |
| 01:36.18 | timelyx | in reading what you read, it sounded pretty bad... but i'm glad to see you've stayed |
| 01:36.27 | timelyx | and hope that your contributions will grow :) |
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| 01:38.28 | timelyx | wonders why crashanddie wrote (i ? i : 0) |
| 01:46.32 | timelyx | andre__: fwiw, guenther "fixed" my account, so hopefully that part will go away |
| 01:47.21 | guenther | I believe he knows that already. ;) |
| 01:48.34 | timelyx | derf: ah, i haven't read wpost about it yet. i'm in .fi, so i only get an audio headline |
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| 01:49.01 | andre__ | yupp :-) |
| 01:49.02 | timelyx | exits scrollback |
| 01:49.15 | Raytray | Welcome back to the present. |
| 01:49.44 | rm_you | timelyx: ? |
| 01:49.46 | rm_you | timelyx> GAN800 / rm_you: 3326 was something someone changed |
| 01:50.14 | GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3326 |
| 01:51.12 | rm_you | o |
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| 01:56.03 | andre__ | isn't 3326 a garage bug then and not a maemo bugzilla issue? |
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| 01:57.50 | timeless | gah, it's 8 til 5 and they close at 5. but they aren't open |
| 01:58.45 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, garage is a website component. |
| 01:58.51 | timeless | how's that for service |
| 01:59.06 | andre__ | uargh. confusion. okay... |
| 01:59.13 | GeneralAntilles | the bug is in Garage itself. |
| 01:59.22 | timeless | anyway, is there a paln for abandonnigng the garage tracker? |
| 01:59.33 | timeless | or is it still a proposal? |
| 01:59.36 | GeneralAntilles | Proposal |
| 01:59.46 | timeless | where do i isgn? |
| 02:00.15 | GeneralAntilles | The was a planet entry, there's a -developers thread and there's an itT thread. |
| 02:00.31 | andre__ | heh. i sent an email to maemo-devs and a posting on itt, but not that much feedback. so it seems either garage devs don't really care or don't read anything |
| 02:00.52 | GeneralAntilles | Hard to get feedback. . . . |
| 02:00.56 | andre__ | it's up to them, if they are happy with garage, i won't stop them. less work for me |
| 02:02.26 | GeneralAntilles | My personal feeling is that garage's tracker sucks, but I have some reservations about merging garage tracking with Bugzilla. |
| 02:04.20 | andre__ | oh, i'm also not that keen on it because it means more work for us. on the other hand, i can just offer this to the community, because that's who i work for :-) |
| 02:05.41 | timelyx | the first thing i did when i got control of the browser garage system was disable all the tracker bits |
| 02:05.57 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles / andre__: one request: don't mass import bugs across |
| 02:06.03 | timelyx | especially for the 770 backport project |
| 02:06.51 | GeneralAntilles | Is there any statistical information on the garage tracker usage? |
| 02:06.58 | andre__ | eeks, that exists? sure, no way, i don't want entropy |
| 02:07.19 | andre__ | i have enough of entropy already right now ;-) |
| 02:07.24 | GeneralAntilles | What projects use it the most. What kind of volume we're talking about. etc. |
| 02:07.33 | timelyx | ponders |
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| 02:07.38 | timelyx | way too useful to expect ;-) |
| 02:08.49 | andre__ | heh |
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| 02:13.47 | GeneralAntilles | So, a few clarifications. |
| 02:14.01 | GeneralAntilles | How might it be set up? 3rd Party product with projects as components of that? |
| 02:14.11 | timelyx | no |
| 02:14.18 | timelyx | bugzilla supports a thing called classifications |
| 02:14.27 | timelyx | (requires upgrading to supported version of bugzilla) |
| 02:14.31 | timelyx | Garage would be a classification |
| 02:14.44 | timelyx | each project in garage is given a product in bugzilla w/in the garage classification |
| 02:14.58 | GeneralAntilles | OK |
| 02:15.22 | timelyx | where possible components w/in a product should have common names |
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| 02:15.26 | timelyx | to enable cross queries |
| 02:16.08 | GeneralAntilles | To reduce clutter, it should definitely be an opt-in thing for project admins |
| 02:16.21 | GeneralAntilles | Should there also be some sort of barrier to entry? |
| 02:16.27 | timelyx | perhaps |
| 02:16.32 | GeneralAntilles | There are a lot of very stagnant projects on Garage, and it seems like you wouldn't want them getting in the way. |
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| 02:17.02 | timelyx | indeed |
| 02:17.37 | timelyx | https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/?func=downloadcsv&group_id=702&atid=2623 |
| 02:17.43 | timelyx | i think you can try to brute force tracker :) |
| 02:17.49 | timelyx | i've done it before to get svn roots |
| 02:20.18 | GeneralAntilles | I think the net effect will be a positive one |
| 02:20.36 | GeneralAntilles | as I can't imagine many people wanting to submit bugs to a garage tracker. |
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| 02:23.07 | guenther | yeah... |
| 02:23.22 | guenther | just like sf.net issue reporting forum thingy |
| 02:23.35 | guenther | It's just unusable. |
| 02:23.41 | GeneralAntilles | I'm just a little worried about possible negative side effects and the specifics of the implementation. |
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| 02:24.40 | timelyx | i think you might even only migrate 2 projects per week |
| 02:24.51 | timelyx | that'd mean it'd take 3-4 years to migrate, but hey :) |
| 02:25.09 | timelyx | (ok, maybe that's a bit slow, how about 10/week) |
| 02:25.11 | GeneralAntilles | Well, the question still remains as to how many projects are actually using their trackers. |
| 02:25.17 | GeneralAntilles | I don't think it's all that many, myself. |
| 02:25.20 | timelyx | nods |
| 02:25.36 | timelyx | i'm still trying to figure out a way to find out if any are |
| 02:25.46 | timelyx | note that it's easy for users to use a tracker w/o the project |
| 02:25.50 | rm_you | i use mine |
| 02:25.57 | timelyx | since the project can easily not know the tracker exists |
| 02:25.58 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: but i guess i would be up with switching |
| 02:26.06 | timelyx | https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/?atid=2623&group_id=702&func=browse |
| 02:26.10 | GeneralAntilles | Canola uses theirs |
| 02:26.21 | GeneralAntilles | Maemo Mapper users theirs |
| 02:26.22 | timelyx | this group is theoretically using it as the assignee has reported 3 of the "items" |
| 02:26.24 | rm_you | then i could refer to my volume crash bug with its bug number and not confuse people ;P |
| 02:26.46 | timelyx | rm_you ~wouldn't it be nice~ |
| 02:26.51 | rm_you | lol |
| 02:27.16 | timelyx | hrm, i think i'm no longer a garage admin :( |
| 02:27.23 | rm_you | damn bug #2593 |
| 02:27.50 | GeneralAntilles | mplayer is sorta using theirs |
| 02:27.53 | rm_you | tho, it IS global... |
| 02:27.54 | rm_you | https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?aid=2593 |
| 02:28.08 | timelyx | Bugzilla Bug 2593 |
| 02:28.08 | timelyx | Getting started does not work with Flash disabled |
| 02:28.13 | GeneralAntilles | PyMaemo seemms to be |
| 02:28.14 | rm_you | lol |
| 02:28.31 | rm_you | yeah but at least garage is global to garage |
| 02:28.32 | rm_you | >_> |
| 02:28.33 | GeneralAntilles | OMWeather, too. |
| 02:28.51 | rm_you | tho i guess I would be down with switching to bugzilla |
| 02:29.00 | rm_you | people would have a better idea of where to go to post bugs |
| 02:29.23 | guenther | Fix your code then before the switch. ;) |
| 02:29.27 | GeneralAntilles | So #2593 is somewhat meaningful to the total number of bugs in all the Garage trackers? |
| 02:29.27 | rm_you | rofl |
| 02:29.38 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: yes |
| 02:29.50 | timelyx | https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?aid=3000 |
| 02:29.53 | timelyx | doesn't exist :) |
| 02:29.58 | GeneralAntilles | We get so many dupes in the adv-backlight tracker. I yearn for a RESOLVED DUPLICATE. :D |
| 02:29.58 | timelyx | so we're talking about a handful |
| 02:30.11 | rm_you | lol |
| 02:30.17 | GeneralAntilles | How many bugs are in the Hacker Edition trackers? |
| 02:30.20 | rm_you | i want a "WONTFIX INTENDED" |
| 02:31.03 | guenther | "intended" is implied |
| 02:31.05 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: probably most of them :) |
| 02:31.10 | rm_you | what is the standard state for "THIS IS NOT A BUG, THIS IS A FEATURE" :P |
| 02:31.21 | guenther | quote: "or some sort of a feature"... |
| 02:31.28 | timelyx | there are < 2700 tracker items |
| 02:31.33 | GeneralAntilles | INVALID |
| 02:31.56 | guenther | rm_you: RESOLVED INVALID most of the time |
| 02:32.01 | timelyx | https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?aid=1 |
| 02:32.04 | timelyx | is a great bug |
| 02:32.04 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: maybe I should BURY that option |
| 02:32.06 | guenther | differences are subtle sometimes |
| 02:32.09 | GeneralAntilles | timelyx, is there somewhere I can get a feel for the classification setup in action? |
| 02:32.16 | guenther | wait... |
| 02:32.24 | guenther | RESOLVED NOTABUG often :) |
| 02:32.28 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: bugzilla.mozilla.org :) |
| 02:32.32 | timelyx | or bugzilla.gnome.org |
| 02:32.40 | timelyx | possibly bugzilla.redhat.com |
| 02:33.01 | timelyx | anyone w/ a maintained bugzilla and a moderately large set of components has to have it |
| 02:33.34 | GeneralAntilles | Rgr |
| 02:34.34 | timelyx | it's mostly a hack, since it doesn't actually affect bug views, and barely affects searching/reporting |
| 02:35.23 | timelyx | all it does is limit the number of visible products |
| 02:36.36 | timelyx | bah, tracker is amazingly useless |
| 02:36.46 | GeneralAntilles | Well, it definitely fits in with the branding and trademark direction. |
| 02:37.00 | GeneralAntilles | I think we can all agree that Garage tracker needs to die. |
| 02:37.17 | timelyx | even having used tracker, i still have a hard time recognizing if a bug is open or closed |
| 02:37.26 | timelyx | https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?aid=4 <open> |
| 02:37.27 | GeneralAntilles | It's horrifying. |
| 02:38.31 | GeneralAntilles | As it's stands, garage is mostly a horrifying maze of evil and difficult to understand nooks and crannies. |
| 02:39.04 | timelyx | s/it's/it/ |
| 02:39.40 | GeneralAntilles | Muscle memory |
| 02:39.45 | GeneralAntilles | My spine does what it wants. :D |
| 02:39.51 | timelyx | heh |
| 02:41.48 | GeneralAntilles | guenther or andre__, one of you want to put up a proposal on the wiki? "Task:Garage bug tracking" or similar. |
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| 02:43.09 | andre__ | sunds good. my plan was to collect feedback and then "streamline" it to a wiki page. however, so far it's easy to collect ;-) |
| 02:43.31 | timelyx | it's limited to two screens of chatter above this line? :) |
| 02:43.53 | acydlord | anyone in here who uses a sprint data plan gonna be willing to sign a petition to sprint? |
| 02:44.23 | GeneralAntilles | Will there be cookies and punch? |
| 02:44.24 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: basically the default component should probably be "General" |
| 02:44.29 | andre__ | got to sleep. i can see light out there... |
| 02:44.35 | timelyx | unless someone has a really good argument for another name |
| 02:44.36 | GeneralAntilles | Later, andre__. |
| 02:44.38 | timelyx | andre__: heh |
| 02:44.50 | timelyx | good night, sleep tight, don't let the maemo bugs bite |
| 02:44.54 | acydlord | sadly i cant afford cookies |
| 02:45.01 | timelyx | milk then? |
| 02:45.02 | guenther | andre__: yeah... -( |
| 02:45.14 | GeneralAntilles | How about a free hat? |
| 02:45.21 | rm_you | I think the default component should be "Antilles" |
| 02:45.23 | rm_you | how about that? :P |
| 02:45.35 | timelyx | veto |
| 02:45.45 | GeneralAntilles | Sorry, rm_you. :P |
| 02:45.49 | guenther | rm_you: you mean default assignee, right? ;) |
| 02:45.49 | rm_you | fine, "General" works too |
| 02:45.59 | timelyx | i think we could probably skip importing resolved bugs |
| 02:46.05 | timelyx | unless someone has a reason to import them |
| 02:46.13 | timelyx | not sure about the value one way or the other |
| 02:46.18 | rm_you | timelyx: you could really just let people import their own bugs <_< |
| 02:46.22 | rm_you | voluntarily |
| 02:46.23 | guenther | don't |
| 02:46.25 | GeneralAntilles | Leave it up to the project admins? |
| 02:46.30 | rm_you | yeah... |
| 02:46.34 | timelyx | nah |
| 02:46.39 | GeneralAntilles | If they have a good reason for importing a resolved bug, they can import it? |
| 02:46.42 | guenther | sure, no duping to the resolved bug |
| 02:46.42 | timelyx | i think per project admins should get an email |
| 02:46.49 | rm_you | i mean... i wouldn't want to be FORCED to use a different system |
| 02:46.49 | timelyx | asking them to opt in or opt out, or opt manual |
| 02:46.52 | guenther | But close one as resolved, and dupe the rest. |
| 02:47.09 | timelyx | you could choose "I'll migrate to bugzilla, just create the product" |
| 02:47.14 | timelyx | or "Yes, migrate me" |
| 02:47.18 | timelyx | or "No, don't migrate me" |
| 02:47.30 | timelyx | or "I'm too lazy to reply to email, do whatever you feel is best" |
| 02:47.54 | guenther | timelyx: That's implied after a timeout with no response. ;) |
| 02:48.00 | timelyx | guenther: yes |
| 02:48.06 | timelyx | but it should be listed as an option in the email |
| 02:48.20 | timelyx | <if you don't reply by {deadline}, this {action} will happen automatically> |
| 02:48.31 | guenther | that sounds better |
| 02:48.42 | guenther | I was about to tell you to phrase it more strict |
| 02:48.46 | guenther | and scary |
| 02:49.11 | guenther | s/this action/ WHATEVER WE FEEL LIKE DOING / |
| 02:49.36 | timelyx | "We will do something, and you probably won't like it" |
| 02:49.43 | guenther | probably including feeding the devs cat |
| 02:50.13 | guenther | like that |
| 02:50.33 | timelyx | anyway |
| 02:50.41 | timelyx | i think the bigger question is how to handle components later |
| 02:50.46 | timelyx | supposing someone actually wants them |
| 02:50.58 | timelyx | i'd hope maemo mapper and a couple of the others you've already named would |
| 02:51.22 | acydlord | ugh, i cant download diablo thanks to this damn unstable connection and sprint making the data plan suck |
| 02:51.28 | timelyx | ideally there wouldn't be too many such requests per time period, so it shouldn't hurt the admins |
| 02:51.38 | timelyx | acydlord: find a shell account |
| 02:52.02 | timelyx | http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=free+shell+accounts&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 |
| 02:52.15 | guenther | adding components should be harmless |
| 02:52.36 | timelyx | ok |
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| 02:52.54 | guenther | hmm |
| 02:52.58 | GeneralAntilles | So, say we decide to move Advanced Backlight tracking over to bugzilla, versioning, etc is done for that component by the project admin(s)? |
| 02:53.13 | guenther | in GNOME, the devs of a project can do it themself |
| 02:53.25 | guenther | no such thing in bugs.maemo.org |
| 02:53.28 | timelyx | guenther: that's the things |
| 02:53.34 | timelyx | hence the "not quite harmless" bit :) |
| 02:53.46 | timelyx | i don't remember what current bugzilla says |
| 02:53.54 | guenther | But I haven't seen components change heavily ever. |
| 02:53.56 | |penguinbait| | anyone have android on 810 working? |
| 02:53.58 | timelyx | i think a properly configured product can probably be tweaked by its own group |
| 02:54.07 | |penguinbait| | sorry for repeating, its been a while :) |
| 02:54.33 | timelyx | thinks it's an inappropriate question :) |
| 02:54.38 | timelyx | this is #maemo, not #nit :) |
| 02:54.47 | timelyx | but i'm just one voice :) |
| 02:54.51 | GeneralAntilles | Meh, Debian-maemo discussion goes on in here. |
| 02:55.20 | timelyx | they're either an upstream or a downstream :) |
| 02:55.21 | guenther | I still guess, new products should be harmless. Don't expect much requests. |
| 02:55.22 | GeneralAntilles | |penguinbait|, I've never actually seen anybody in here with it. |
| 02:55.27 | |penguinbait| | I am just looking to see if anyone actually got it working. |
| 02:55.36 | |penguinbait| | I flash the kernel and can longer boot |
| 02:55.43 | timelyx | guenther: yeah, that's my view |
| 02:55.47 | guenther | No real use for any component other than General, unless there is a substantial amount of bugs anyway. |
| 02:55.53 | timelyx | i just want you to be aware that by default you get stuck w/ the maintenance |
| 02:56.03 | |penguinbait| | I was asked to help someone thats all I was trying to do |
| 02:56.04 | timelyx | yeah |
| 02:56.36 | guenther | yes, I am aware we're going to shoulder the support load |
| 02:56.46 | timelyx | fwiw, i'd really recommend changing the email domain space a bit |
| 02:56.55 | timelyx | using *@maemo.org for bugs is a really bad idea :) |
| 02:57.28 | guenther | What do you mean? |
| 02:57.30 | timelyx | i mean, what if a real person wants one of those valuable email addresses :) |
| 02:57.49 | mysc | are the mojo folks going to make a bootable ubuntu (a-la-john)? |
| 02:57.57 | timelyx | https://bugs.maemo.org/describecomponents.cgi?product=Browser |
| 02:58.02 | timelyx | bookmarks-bugs@maemo.org |
| 02:58.06 | GeneralAntilles | mysc, no clue, that'd be a question for the mojo folks. ;) |
| 02:58.15 | timelyx | instead of that, i'd have preferred bookmarks@bugs.maemo.org |
| 02:58.19 | mysc | heh, true enough. might be neat to play with... |
| 02:58.51 | guenther | ah |
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| 02:59.04 | timelyx | it's a minor detail, i just was responsible for the mozilla.org design |
| 02:59.11 | timelyx | and wasn't allowed to pick the design here |
| 02:59.12 | guenther | Well, what human wants an something-bugs address? ;) |
| 02:59.23 | timelyx | guenther: i know... |
| 02:59.34 | timelyx | but when you start adding lots of other projects, you might end up w/ conflicts |
| 02:59.59 | timelyx | and it's a lot easier to have no MX on bugs.maemo.org than it is to deal w/ an MX which has real accounts and dozens of fakes |
| 03:00.39 | timelyx | %component%@%product%.bugs.maemo.org (for all the garage imports) |
| 03:00.51 | guenther | right... |
| 03:01.03 | guenther | Actually, some internal discussions... |
| 03:01.07 | timelyx | just something to fix nowish when you do the migration :) |
| 03:01.13 | guenther | The GNOME style is what I want. |
| 03:01.22 | timelyx | which is what? |
| 03:01.28 | guenther | Why should the domain part exist at all? |
| 03:01.30 | timelyx | sorry, i only visit bgo on rare occasions |
| 03:01.37 | guenther | @gnome.bugs |
| 03:01.42 | guenther | @maemo.bugs |
| 03:01.45 | timelyx | oh, i'd prefer %component%@%product%.bugs |
| 03:01.50 | guenther | It's an alias to *watch*. |
| 03:01.55 | timelyx | which is what we use @ bmo |
| 03:02.18 | guenther | It should not direct to any valid domain with an MX. |
| 03:02.20 | timelyx | the nice part about the @ part is it makes for easy user match searching |
| 03:02.47 | timelyx | yeah, it doesn't @ bmo (bmo is bugzilla.mozilla.org accept when explicitly written as bugs-maemo) |
| 03:03.12 | guenther | and it doesn't at bgo |
| 03:03.20 | timelyx | there was even an explanation for the people who complain which is that "foo.bar" is not an FQDN unless written "foo.bar." |
| 03:03.32 | timelyx | so as far as the bugzilla is concerned, it's relative to some private host :) |
| 03:03.33 | guenther | Changing this is somewhere on my list... |
| 03:03.40 | timelyx | ok, good :) |
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| 03:04.03 | timelyx | oh, one warning |
| 03:04.13 | timelyx | the clever folks @ ICANN have decided to break DNS |
| 03:04.21 | timelyx | so someone probably needs to go register bugs. |
| 03:05.16 | guenther | @maemo.bugs.i-am-an-idiot-if-i-register-this |
| 03:05.20 | guenther | Problem solved. :) |
| 03:05.48 | timelyx | heh |
| 03:08.25 | GeneralAntilles | wants the mediawiki karma plugin already. |
| 03:08.46 | mysc | hrmm, google satellite apparently has blocked my ip from dl'ing to much via mapper |
| 03:08.56 | mysc | any suggestion other than changing ip? |
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| 03:11.13 | guenther | hehe |
| 03:11.24 | guenther | mysc: I found the same 2 days ago... |
| 03:11.40 | GeneralAntilles | I usually do my downloads for Maemo Mapper in 20-40MB batches. |
| 03:11.53 | guenther | I still hope they'll unblock me eventually. |
| 03:12.06 | timelyx | stop acting like a bot :) |
| 03:12.15 | timelyx | or start leaching someone else's wifi :) |
| 03:12.30 | guenther | Hey, the pre-cache was set to 5 by accident. :) |
| 03:12.32 | timelyx | (this is *NOT* legal advice...) |
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| 03:14.09 | mysc | heh |
| 03:14.34 | mysc | i guess i'll have to use someone else's wifi |
| 03:14.43 | GeneralAntilles | mysc, send Google an angry letter. :P |
| 03:14.52 | guenther | mysc: dynamic IP with regular ISP? |
| 03:14.57 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: for violating their TOS? |
| 03:15.02 | GeneralAntilles | Cycle the cable modem! |
| 03:15.05 | GeneralAntilles | timelyx, ;) |
| 03:15.07 | timelyx | good luck w/ that |
| 03:18.13 | mysc | well, i'll just cycle my ip but then dl en-force via leeched wifi |
| 03:21.58 | guenther | tips his hat |
| 03:22.01 | guenther | night folks |
| 03:22.42 | timelyx | sighs |
| 03:22.51 | timelyx | goes to read planet debian |
| 03:23.19 | timelyx | people don't really understand what CSS is or what it can do |
| 03:23.42 | Proteous | phear the cascading!! |
| 03:23.45 | GeneralAntilles | Aint that the truth. |
| 03:23.49 | Proteous | LOOK OUT BELOW |
| 03:24.36 | GeneralAntilles | hits Proteous in the head with jacob's ladder. |
| 03:24.55 | GeneralAntilles | s/with/with a/ |
| 03:25.13 | rm_you | just beware of resonance failures |
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| 03:27.01 | Proteous | heh |
| 03:31.48 | gentooer | anyone have osso-statusbar-cpu working with Diablo? |
| 03:32.25 | GeneralAntilles | inz updated it a little while ago |
| 03:32.31 | GeneralAntilles | dunno if it ever made it to the repo |
| 03:34.04 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody able to explain this? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3338 |
| 03:34.38 | timelyx | ack, he cloned it? |
| 03:34.51 | timelyx | gah |
| 03:35.23 | timelyx | please dupe it w/ a big lecture |
| 03:35.40 | timelyx | and then talk w/ the openismus people about removing cloning support for people w/o editbugs |
| 03:35.44 | timelyx | cloning should be used rarely if ever |
| 03:35.52 | timelyx | it's clearly way too accessible |
| 03:36.22 | timelyx | btw, if you like (or don't) reading bugs and have followed the planet.debian spam, you might enjoy https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=404661#c51 |
| 03:38.35 | GeneralAntilles | Kill me. <_< |
| 03:39.20 | GeneralAntilles | Personally, I'd make it more offensive for the sake of spite. |
| 03:43.14 | timelyx | sighs |
| 03:43.25 | timelyx | rm -rf /Users/debian/ |
| 03:43.42 | timelyx | http://www.grep.be/blog/en/computer/cluebat/firefox_sucks_really |
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| 03:47.48 | rm_you | lol... |
| 03:48.20 | rm_you | just had iceweasel crash 3 times within 10 minutes on different sites, many of which he frequented before without trouble |
| 03:49.00 | timelyx | wow, a good article http://etbe.coker.com.au/2008/06/27/kernel-security-vs-uptime/ |
| 03:49.15 | timelyx | rm_you: use firefox3 (official) and load about:crashes |
| 03:51.05 | rm_you | timelyx: is that anywhere in any debian repo? or do i just have to go get the deb myself? |
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| 03:52.38 | timelyx | don't get a deb |
| 03:52.42 | timelyx | the debs don't give you crash reporting |
| 03:52.48 | timelyx | just get the firefox tarball from mozilla.org |
| 03:52.53 | timelyx | extract it to ~/ |
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| 04:04.12 | rm_you | this is why i just use opera >_> |
| 04:04.23 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 04:06.10 | rm_you | likes opera |
| 04:06.15 | rm_you | wants opera back on his n800 |
| 04:06.18 | WormFood | is there a way to enter chinese, by drawing the characters on the screen? I've seen cell phones that have that ability, and it would be really cool if the n800 can do it as well |
| 04:06.23 | GeneralAntilles | Bleh |
| 04:06.27 | GeneralAntilles | Opera was the suck. |
| 04:06.36 | GeneralAntilles | Good riddance to bad rubbish. |
| 04:06.39 | rm_you | Opera was the awesome. :( |
| 04:06.51 | GeneralAntilles | Lies. |
| 04:06.56 | rm_you | No, you! |
| 04:06.57 | rm_you | >_< |
| 04:06.58 | GeneralAntilles | Didn't work anywhere. |
| 04:08.58 | GeneralAntilles | is watching the Blues Brothers again. |
| 04:08.58 | rm_you | wow, it loaded my iceweasel profile :P |
| 04:09.06 | rm_you | original, or 2000? :P |
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| 04:09.24 | GeneralAntilles | Original. . . . |
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| 04:12.16 | timelyx | rm_you: you're welcome to make a contract w/ opera for opera for n800 |
| 04:12.17 | timelyx | i' |
| 04:12.23 | timelyx | i'm sure they'll gladly take your money |
| 04:12.25 | rm_you | lol |
| 04:12.26 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 04:12.37 | timelyx | WormFood: afaik diablo ships w/ a chinese ime |
| 04:12.50 | timelyx | and yes, it's a stroke based onscreen ime |
| 04:12.54 | rm_you | i'm sure I could hack it in from the 2007 firmware images <_< |
| 04:12.58 | timelyx | the feature has actually been available internally since os2005 |
| 04:13.08 | derf | timelyx: How about Japanese? |
| 04:13.18 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, somebody already has. |
| 04:13.21 | timelyx | derf: i have no idea what shipped |
| 04:13.31 | timelyx | but in theory there's no reason only one should work :) |
| 04:13.32 | WormFood | timelyx, but does it allow you to draw the characters? |
| 04:13.39 | timelyx | as opposed to what? |
| 04:13.42 | timelyx | it's stroke based |
| 04:13.48 | timelyx | you can't draw pixels |
| 04:13.49 | WormFood | I know I could install a pinyin input on the older ones |
| 04:14.06 | WormFood | chinese has more different ways to input than any other language |
| 04:14.17 | WormFood | the most common input methods are wubi and pinyin |
| 04:14.34 | timelyx | afaiu you make a number of strokes and when you're done it figures out which character you wanted based on what you drew |
| 04:14.36 | WormFood | I personally use pinyin, but I'm learning wubi to type the characters I don't know how to spell |
| 04:14.40 | timelyx | and it's a match for approximately what you drew |
| 04:14.45 | derf | Is this something Makoto Sugano was working on? |
| 04:14.49 | WormFood | cool, I'll have to check it out |
| 04:14.57 | derf | I.e., is it related to maemocjk at all? |
| 04:15.01 | timelyx | sorry, i'm a browser dev, i've used a number of different methods |
| 04:15.07 | timelyx | but i don't memorize their names |
| 04:15.15 | timelyx | nor do i memorize which ones we worked on internally |
| 04:15.22 | timelyx | because to me they're all just pretty little pictures |
| 04:15.36 | timelyx | and more chances to try and crash thigns |
| 04:15.44 | timelyx | has crashes a number of IMEs :) |
| 04:15.54 | timelyx | s/gns/ngs/;s/hes/hed/ |
| 04:16.00 | timelyx | eat that infobot |
| 04:16.22 | WormFood | ä¸Â文 is easy to type ;) |
| 04:16.35 | timelyx | ?? |
| 04:16.40 | GeneralAntilles | timelyx, it doesn't do /me's. ;) |
| 04:16.41 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: who, and where can I get it :P |
| 04:16.51 | WormFood | if the N800/810 wasn't so hard to get into china, I'm sure they would be able to sell them in China |
| 04:17.15 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19872 |
| 04:17.32 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: then it should have fixed the previous line :) |
| 04:17.32 | GeneralAntilles | I don't think you properly remember just how much Opera sucked, though. |
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| 04:18.37 | derf | Anyway, the nice thing about NOT providing a CJK-IME was that there was one I could actually build from sources available. |
| 04:19.14 | derf | Which meant I could do things like add SKK input to it. |
| 04:19.20 | timelyx | derf: *shrug* i have the diablo sources on swift, they should be on my mxr.maemo.org tomorrow if i can find a way to do the rsync |
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| 04:22.22 | rm_you | no deb there :( sad |
| 04:24.52 | rm_you | awesome, so i can ssh into my tablet but have no idea where it is |
| 04:24.55 | rm_you | >_< |
| 04:25.06 | GeneralAntilles | has done that. |
| 04:25.09 | GeneralAntilles | It was under my bed. |
| 04:25.19 | rm_you | i hope i have the volume turned up decently... |
| 04:25.27 | rm_you | plays some techno with mplayer |
| 04:26.13 | GeneralAntilles | Ahaha |
| 04:26.21 | rm_you | found it :P |
| 04:26.27 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: you said you play Wesnoth? |
| 04:26.59 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 04:27.14 | rm_you | how <_< |
| 04:27.19 | GeneralAntilles | Install it |
| 04:27.20 | GeneralAntilles | Play |
| 04:27.21 | rm_you | it seems unplayable without a right click |
| 04:27.28 | GeneralAntilles | Meh, it's a little slow |
| 04:27.33 | GeneralAntilles | But it's a strategy game |
| 04:27.36 | rm_you | and very annoying without a keyboard |
| 04:27.37 | derf | "A little" |
| 04:27.37 | rm_you | ... |
| 04:27.41 | derf | It's painful. |
| 04:27.48 | rm_you | i have yet to find a way to do the things the tutorial tells me to do |
| 04:27.50 | GeneralAntilles | Depends on perspective, I guess. |
| 04:27.51 | rm_you | since i can't right click |
| 04:27.57 | GeneralAntilles | Tap the menu? |
| 04:28.06 | rm_you | ? |
| 04:28.07 | GeneralAntilles | I believe it describes the alternative method in the tutorial |
| 04:28.12 | rm_you | it didn't |
| 04:28.23 | rm_you | and i couldn't undo because I didnt have my keyboard with me |
| 04:28.28 | GeneralAntilles | Use the menu |
| 04:28.34 | rm_you | though i fixed that by rebinding u to the esc button |
| 04:28.53 | rm_you | but how do you right click on a square with the menu? |
| 04:28.54 | timelyx | http://madduck.net/blog/2008.06.28:shortcomings-of-the-nokia-e51/ |
| 04:29.04 | timelyx | ^ would anyone risk offering that guy an n810? |
| 04:29.35 | timelyx | rm_you: i generally send bt objects to my devices when i can't find them :) |
| 04:31.07 | mysc | hrmm MM crashed and rebooted my nit |
| 04:32.12 | GeneralAntilles | Odd |
| 04:32.28 | rm_you | timelyx: lol |
| 04:32.37 | rm_you | fortuntely i know how to change volume on command line :P |
| 04:32.56 | mysc | it is weird that the nit rebooted, aye? |
| 04:33.18 | rm_you | anyone here know how to use aircrack-ng? :P just installed, want to test it on some of the networks here |
| 04:33.38 | GeneralAntilles | mysc, I've never seen Maemo Mapper cause a reboot. |
| 04:33.47 | derf | GeneralAntilles: I have. |
| 04:33.54 | GeneralAntilles | It used to crash all the time when I accidently turned off my BT GPS before disconnecting |
| 04:33.56 | timelyx | rm_you: i don't have commandlines on all of my phones |
| 04:33.57 | GeneralAntilles | but no reboots |
| 04:34.00 | timelyx | so bt objects work nicely |
| 04:34.03 | timelyx | and my mac can send them |
| 04:34.09 | derf | It used to happen _a lot_ before it switched to the database for maps. |
| 04:34.16 | timelyx | 'course, on average my devices are all muted, but hey, it's worth a try |
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| 04:34.27 | derf | I mostly blame it on crappy mmc drivers. |
| 04:35.10 | snowmoon | I've seen MAemo Mapper cause a reboot on an n810. |
| 04:35.24 | timelyx | still remembers a pdf reader causing a 770 to reboot |
| 04:36.03 | mysc | hrmmm, it shouldn't cause a reboot though, more like an app crash, but a system crash? |
| 04:36.28 | GeneralAntilles | Pissed off a watchdog |
| 04:36.36 | rm_you | timelyx: what phone you have? :P you need to get putty |
| 04:38.27 | mysc | sw_rst thats in the boot reason, doesn't seem like a wd |
| 04:40.30 | timelyx | http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/san-francisco-to-vote-on-naming-sewer-after-george-bush-855433.html |
| 04:40.45 | timelyx | rm_you: 9300i, n81 8gb, e61i, and a bunch of older ones |
| 04:40.53 | timelyx | but i don't think i can run sshd on them |
| 04:41.04 | timelyx | i do run putty on the ones i named |
| 04:41.10 | timelyx | but it doesn't help when i can't find the phone :) |
| 04:41.14 | mysc | GA, seems like /usr/bin/bme_RX-34 was to blame, any ideas/ |
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| 04:41.28 | rm_you | ah you were talking about losing phones :P right. <_< |
| 04:41.40 | GeneralAntilles | bme is the battery management entity. |
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| 04:43.27 | mysc | hrmm, well i have 19 sw_rst's 1 entry in lg_reset and 6 in lg_restart |
| 04:46.12 | rm_you | aww :( |
| 04:46.18 | rm_you | no aircrack-ng for me |
| 04:47.51 | rm_you | WOW |
| 04:48.06 | mysc | GA i might have discovered a bug, seems like the batt had just finished charging when this happens. so battery full + MM + venus with saturn ascending = reboot |
| 04:48.16 | rm_you | just installed wireless-tools on my desktop... ran iwconfig... apparently i have been connected to some guy's network since i turned on my machine |
| 04:48.22 | rm_you | so like, the last 10 days |
| 04:48.31 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 04:49.06 | mysc | heh. |
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| 04:49.30 | GeneralAntilles | A friend of mine once set up his neighbor's linksys router instead of his own. |
| 04:49.48 | Navi | lol |
| 04:49.48 | timelyx | so, anyone here remember getting dialogs from microb asking about insecure form submits? |
| 04:49.59 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: nice |
| 04:49.59 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 04:49.59 | Navi | There have been a lot of stories like that, GeneralAntillesn |
| 04:50.14 | Navi | Huh, howd that n get in there |
| 04:50.20 | GeneralAntilles | Magic! |
| 04:50.34 | Navi | Mmm |
| 04:50.37 | Navi | I love magic. |
| 04:50.44 | rm_you | lol |
| 04:50.57 | rm_you | Navi: you typed "GeneralA" and hit tab, while still typing the n |
| 04:50.58 | rm_you | :P |
| 04:51.10 | Navi | Ooh, nice |
| 04:51.17 | Navi | rm_you wins the prize |
| 04:51.28 | GeneralAntilles | Navi's hand in marriage? |
| 04:51.29 | Navi | Well |
| 04:52.01 | GeneralAntilles | timelyx, I don't think I've seen the insecure form bug in Diablo. |
| 04:52.03 | Navi | If I were tab completing, Id hit tab at the first n |
| 04:53.05 | timelyx | wanna try to hit it sooner? |
| 04:53.23 | timelyx | http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/source/browser/mozilla/trunk/microb-eal/src/gmozillaweb.c#1689 has the block of bad code |
| 04:53.29 | mysc | well folks, don't ever reach 100% batt while dl'ing maps of madagascar from google |
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| 04:54.44 | timelyx | 1699 if (!gtk_moz_embed_common_get_pref(G_TYPE_BOOLEAN, "plugins.flashhack", &bfval)) |
| 04:54.51 | timelyx | controls the value of 'bfval' |
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| 04:56.00 | timelyx | try setting plugins.flashhack to true |
| 04:56.14 | timelyx | if you restart, bad things should happen :) |
| 04:56.57 | timelyx | sighs |
| 04:57.04 | timelyx | the entire block of code should really be delated |
| 04:57.08 | timelyx | it's merely a collection of bugs |
| 04:58.47 | timelyx | my quick read of http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/search?string=plugins.flashhack is that if you ever run out of memory w/o crashing and then quit |
| 04:58.50 | timelyx | you're fsck for a session |
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| 05:14.18 | benh | crap |
| 05:14.27 | benh | diablo update killed my wayfinder nav key |
| 05:14.35 | benh | emails them |
| 05:14.55 | benh | it won't accept the key anymore, I probably should have "deactivated" it before the update... |
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| 05:26.32 | GeneralAntilles | Flash has been bringing my computer to a screeching halt for 30 seconds everytime I hit a page with it. Turned it off and it's like a whole new internet. . . . |
| 05:27.22 | qwerty12 | Flash sucked when I used to use it in Linux. Though using it with the pulseaudio plugin made matters worse :/ |
| 05:27.43 | timelyx | benh: yeah, you should have, sorry about that :( |
| 05:28.15 | benh | timelyx: bah, I suppose/hope wayfinder support will fix that up |
| 05:28.23 | benh | I don't need the nav. this week-end |
| 05:28.33 | timelyx | they should, you're a paying customer |
| 05:28.39 | benh | yup |
| 05:29.29 | benh | so Diablo didn't grow some Bluetooth PAN support nicely integrated in the GUI... |
| 05:29.43 | benh | looks like I should really finish adding those GUI bits to the garage projects |
| 05:29.51 | benh | project |
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| 05:42.27 | derf | GeneralAntilles: I just don't even install Flash these days. |
| 05:42.30 | derf | Makes the web much nicer. |
| 05:43.53 | benh | hrm, why the hell would I have to disable the vdso to use diablo sdk ? |
| 05:43.59 | benh | some issue with the emulator ? |
| 05:46.52 | smackpotato | i does free 42 work |
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| 06:23.57 | liri | anybody selling his n800? |
| 06:24.25 | GeneralAntilles | Whose N800? :P |
| 06:25.03 | liri | heh |
| 06:25.46 | liri | it goes on amazon.com on $219 but the shipment to europe/me is like $50 sheesh |
| 06:25.47 | GeneralAntilles | liri, check the itT sales forum. |
| 06:26.07 | GeneralAntilles | It's discontinued now, so you may have a little trouble getting it. |
| 06:27.50 | liri | whats the address for the forum? |
| 06:28.12 | qwerty12 | I swear down, this is the time I ever compile any form of mozilla/firefox etc again. This shit's meant to be micro and it's taking me years to compile >.< |
| 06:28.25 | qwerty12 | s/time/last time/ |
| 06:28.39 | GeneralAntilles | internettablettalk.com |
| 06:28.56 | liri | thanks |
| 06:29.42 | benh | hrm weirdo, map/wayfinder cannot open the gps anymore |
| 06:29.49 | benh | wonders if that's related to the new agps thingy |
| 06:30.18 | benh | it doesn't give an error, just "no gps connection" |
| 06:30.23 | benh | kicks it |
| 06:31.25 | benh | ah, that must have worked :-) |
| 06:33.39 | liri | I wish I could get freemap.co.il to work on the n810 |
| 06:34.05 | liri | it is based on Roadmap |
| 06:34.31 | qwerty12 | If you mean the program, roadmap is available for maemo too. |
| 06:36.13 | liri | isn't it in beta or something? |
| 06:37.40 | qwerty12 | No idea, garage says beta/production - stable |
| 06:42.26 | mysc | q12, does it reboot your boxen like mm? :> |
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| 06:42.52 | qwerty12 | mysc, compiling microb? |
| 06:43.06 | GeneralAntilles | http://groups.google.com/group/fbreader/browse_thread/thread/d62989d01a143d19# |
| 06:44.09 | mysc | nope, just having fun watching mm reboot my box |
| 06:44.20 | mysc | cheers all, gotta run. |
| 06:44.39 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, you compile it yet? :P |
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| 06:44.58 | Navi | qwerty12, pfft |
| 06:45.07 | Navi | Layout engines are very complex things |
| 06:45.29 | Navi | you should have expected it |
| 06:45.41 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, Nope. Some find string failed. I'm dpkg-buildpackaging again to see what error and edit the rules file when I see it. |
| 06:46.48 | qwerty12 | Navi, I expected something that built straight. I've already had to make changes because it wants to patch a file that doesn't exist and 3 patches that don't apply >.< |
| 06:47.28 | Navi | It's to be expected |
| 06:47.44 | Navi | they're in the unstable phase at the moment |
| 06:47.59 | Navi | or so I remember |
| 06:48.25 | qwerty12 | Got any pointers on: "cp: cannot stat `build-tree/obj-edyn-armel-sb-buildmicrob2/dist/bin/Test*Embed': No such file or directory |
| 06:48.26 | qwerty12 | ". It sounds like an expression to me so I have no idea why scratchbox is being a knob. |
| 06:49.03 | qwerty12 | Oh wait, I know why. |
| 06:49.36 | qwerty12 | That's one of the patches I removed because it didn't apply and I'm a lazy ass shit to fix it. |
| 06:55.08 | qwerty12 | Re the microb-gtkmozembed problem, I'm just gonna steal the control file from libgtkmozembed. Why? Nokia do like to let us end-users who compile stuff have different names from official. And as Diablo is about SSU, I don't want the apt or osso-software-version stuff messing up. |
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| 07:07.56 | qwerty12 | Done. Dunno if this build will hold though, I need to make some modifications to the debianisation and I'll test it out. |
| 07:14.00 | qwerty12 | Navi, Is microb-xulrunner any useful? |
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| 07:21.13 | timelyx | qwerty12: i didn't realize i had the crash reporter in my repo, but i'm glad it was helpful |
| 07:21.31 | Navi | qwerty12, it's as useful as you make it |
| 07:22.12 | Navi | an obscure answer like that only means that I can't think of anything to do with it |
| 07:22.12 | qwerty12 | timelyx, Heh, thanks for it. |
| 07:22.36 | qwerty12 | Navi, Heh, I was gonna say it was a bit cryptic :p. I don't think xulrunner is needed anyway :/ |
| 07:22.40 | qwerty12 | (for the tablets) |
| 07:23.13 | timelyx | you could use it to host fennec or chatzilla |
| 07:23.18 | timelyx | or dozens of other apps |
| 07:23.20 | timelyx | shrugs |
| 07:23.44 | Navi | yeah, but I'm not a fan of those xulrunner apps to begin with |
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| 07:26.34 | timelyx | heck, xulrunner should be able to host normal firefox too :) |
| 07:28.00 | Navi | :P |
| 07:28.20 | qwerty12 | Don't think I'll be able to share this one. For some reason, microb-gtkmozembed_20080616-17_armel.deb has nothing inside it. |
| 07:29.58 | qwerty12 | Meh, I'll just make a hybrid. Don't think that makes this ready for sharing. |
| 07:30.10 | qwerty12 | = most dodgy debian packager ever |
| 07:31.42 | acydlord | i wish i had me some stable internets so i could download the sdk |
| 07:32.27 | timelyx | acydlord: what do you mean by sdk? |
| 07:32.39 | timelyx | because i was able to download what i think is the sdk using apt |
| 07:32.43 | timelyx | and that's fairly fault tolerant |
| 07:33.06 | acydlord | by sdk i mean the full maemo mess |
| 07:33.35 | acydlord | i'm borrowing internet, so its not very stable and the speeds are no good |
| 07:33.50 | timelyx | if it isn't open, i don't want it :) |
| 07:35.43 | acydlord | i'm going to find out which neighbor i'm borrowing internet from and buy them a new router |
| 07:36.09 | timelyx | heh |
| 07:36.15 | timelyx | good plan |
| 07:36.34 | acydlord | indeed, i mean i've been stealing their internet for one, and their router sucks |
| 07:36.45 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 07:37.12 | timelyx | would an AOL CD improve performance? |
| 07:37.37 | acydlord | sadly, it quite possibly could |
| 07:38.04 | GeneralAntilles | Use it to incapacitate your neighbor and then replace their router? |
| 07:38.12 | acydlord | i've been downloading the diablo image so i can flash my n810, it's been going on 4 hours now |
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| 07:38.58 | GeneralAntilles | We used to play dodge-the-flying-disc-of-doom with AOL CDs. |
| 07:38.59 | timelyx | it could be worse |
| 07:39.09 | timelyx | i had a DVD that said it'd take a few days to download |
| 07:39.17 | timelyx | i gave up on my corporate network and switched to dsl |
| 07:39.21 | acydlord | i could be useing carrier pidgeon protocol? |
| 07:39.45 | acydlord | i'm going to call around in a week or so and see if any of the dsl providers will offer me a 12/12 connection |
| 07:39.56 | timelyx | hey, i think modern pigeons w/ usb sticks have fairly good bandwidth/range for the buck |
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| 07:40.23 | timelyx | if necessary, you can use an 8gb microSD card |
| 07:40.34 | GeneralAntilles | 12/12 from DSL? |
| 07:40.36 | GeneralAntilles | I doubt it |
| 07:40.42 | acydlord | i still need to get an 8gb microsd for my n8a0 |
| 07:40.45 | timelyx | but i'd recommend a 16gb usb stick if supported by your local PigeonProvider |
| 07:40.55 | acydlord | unless someone gets 16 supported |
| 07:41.06 | GeneralAntilles | "someone"? |
| 07:41.11 | acydlord | dsl /CAN/ do up to 15/15 |
| 07:41.24 | acydlord | someone as i am too lazy to attempt to hack the kernel |
| 07:41.40 | acydlord | and tere is still that whole not being able to download maemo thing |
| 07:41.47 | qwerty12 | 16 should already be supported by stock kernel. |
| 07:42.04 | timelyx | qwerty12: i'm fairly certain nokia only warrantees 8 |
| 07:42.17 | timelyx | and since i know even 1g cards that have died |
| 07:42.32 | timelyx | i'm not quite sure i'd risk a new expensive 16g card ;) |
| 07:42.32 | GeneralAntilles | 16GB works fine. |
| 07:42.38 | GeneralAntilles | 32GB will work fine |
| 07:42.43 | timelyx | really? cool |
| 07:42.52 | GeneralAntilles | 8GB was probably just what was available to test with. |
| 07:42.53 | qwerty12 | Will 1TB be supported by the kernel? |
| 07:42.59 | acydlord | lol |
| 07:43.04 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: pong ;) |
| 07:43.18 | timelyx | hi X-Fade |
| 07:43.18 | GeneralAntilles | SDHC should be able to do 2048GB just fine |
| 07:43.23 | GeneralAntilles | But I'm not sure if anything needs doing software-side. |
| 07:43.38 | acydlord | well shart, i'll have to find a 32gb card |
| 07:43.43 | pupnik | 2x micro-sd would be great in the N9x0 |
| 07:43.46 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, timelyx already played the "make GA remember what he said 3 days ago in scrollback game today". :P |
| 07:43.46 | pupnik | crosses fingers |
| 07:43.56 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik++ |
| 07:44.00 | qwerty12 | Heh, someone will just backport a patch to 2.6.21 and hope Menulaus doesn't burn out with a 1tb card :P |
| 07:44.23 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Well, I see a ping from you about 9 hours ago, so ;) |
| 07:45.47 | acydlord | bah, my beard just hit he itchy stage again |
| 07:46.28 | GeneralAntilles | lol acydlord. |
| 07:46.38 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, don't recall, probably wasn't important. |
| 07:46.44 | GeneralAntilles | I do see rm_you pinging you. |
| 07:46.56 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Great, waste my time ;) |
| 07:47.16 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Yeah, I'm going to pong him tomorrow ;) |
| 07:48.06 | GeneralAntilles | pokes X-Fade with a sharpened stick. |
| 07:49.34 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, I remember now. Can you poke somebody about this? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3283 |
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| 07:56.37 | Jaffa | Ah, X-Fade - just the man I need. |
| 07:58.03 | X-Fade | Ok, I got to leave now, I guess :) |
| 07:58.07 | Jaffa | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/vim_7.0/summary.log looks very weird. |
| 07:58.32 | Jaffa | I was trying to recreate a problem with the armel build (another issue, I think), so resubmitted it last night; and that's all there is. |
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| 07:59.04 | qwerty12 | Hah, I installed the microb and it starts and then it closes :/ |
| 07:59.44 | acydlord | oops, i forgot to save my settings |
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| 08:05.36 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Yes, that is weird. It looks like the process just stopped. |
| 08:05.42 | X-Fade | Jaffa: I have no idea why. |
| 08:05.46 | Jaffa | Hmm. |
| 08:06.07 | Jaffa | Can I resubmit or do you want the current state to investigate (not that's there much in the publically visible bit) |
| 08:06.39 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Hmm no, it is still running ;) |
| 08:06.44 | Jaffa | Errr |
| 08:07.01 | X-Fade | Jaffa: So, that is definately weird. |
| 08:07.09 | Jaffa | Perhaps the building process needs a CPU time ulimit |
| 08:09.11 | X-Fade | Jaffa: I'll ask Ed to look into this. |
| 08:09.33 | X-Fade | We do have multiple builders, so it isn't blocking others. |
| 08:09.43 | Jaffa | Ah, cool |
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| 08:10.34 | Jaffa | Presumably, not till tomorrow, tho'? |
| 08:10.48 | Jaffa | I suppose that gives me a chance to investigate the mud bugs in the package |
| 08:11.14 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Well, I've mailed him. Don't know if he will be online today. |
| 08:11.18 | Jaffa | Ta |
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| 08:24.05 | Jaffa | Does pycage work for Nokia? |
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| 08:24.31 | melmoth | Good morning. |
| 08:25.00 | melmoth | X-Fade: remember the porblem i had building a package on the diablo autobuilder (armel package had no file, i386 had them all) ? |
| 08:25.37 | melmoth | Do you know if the guy in charge of the auto builder had time to look at it ? (ie should i retry now, or is it not worth it right now) |
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| 08:46.10 | Cptnodegard | how the fuck do you add url's to the internet radio? o0 |
| 08:46.21 | Cptnodegard | nvm |
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| 08:48.51 | lcuk | jaffa - dr who !!! |
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| 09:03.56 | sp3000 | timelyx: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1945#c7 in case you missed my ping last night |
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| 09:09.27 | ccooke | Damn. Anyone know how to get gstreamer to stream from an rtsp connection? |
| 09:09.55 | ccooke | The media player can do it, the internet radio applet does it... gstreamer, it seems, can't |
| 09:09.55 | sp3000 | or, "how to distinguish you /dev/null pref sink and false constant variables with one character and lose" |
| 09:12.00 | sp3000 | runs to $random_family_event |
| 09:13.03 | ccooke | Hmm. I guess I can use mplayer for it... |
| 09:13.51 | ccooke | but that's *ugly* |
| 09:17.44 | GeneralAntilles | Stick a prettier frontend on it, then. |
| 09:20.33 | ccooke | That would be the plan, yes :-) |
| 09:20.55 | ccooke | I was just hoping for something a little more integrating than forking and controlling via a pipe :-) |
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| 09:44.37 | rm_you | ccooke: mplayer has a slave mode |
| 09:47.32 | ccooke | Hmm |
| 09:47.34 | ccooke | So it does |
| 09:47.39 | ccooke | never noticed that before :-) |
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| 10:26.25 | qwerty12 | Can't wait for the browser extras to release this: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/extensions/webaddon-useragentswitcher/?root=browser-extras :) |
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| 10:49.26 | macoute | Jaffa: one of the most important bugs to squeeze imo is that stopping video on client should stop also transcoding on server. |
| 10:49.42 | macoute | Jaffa: i could check the source too for that one, thouh |
| 10:49.49 | macoute | s/thouh/though |
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| 11:02.54 | webustany | hi there |
| 11:03.01 | webustany | has someone already used LD_PRELOAD on maemo ? |
| 11:16.16 | pupnik | yes it works |
| 11:28.01 | Jaffa | macoute: it already should do that |
| 11:28.25 | Jaffa | lcuk: I know! |
| 11:29.30 | Jaffa | lcuk: but... but... but... noooooo! |
| 11:31.23 | lcuk | bu hu neee whhhh huuu |
| 11:33.16 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, today's newbie itT PM is already here. |
| 11:34.09 | macoute | Jaffa: version 0.5? |
| 11:34.12 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, nothing wrong with n00bs - even you were one once |
| 11:34.16 | GeneralAntilles | isn't ready to start in on this yet. http://pastebin.com/d25177bad |
| 11:34.55 | Jaffa | macoute: since v0.0000001 - it was one of the original features and key design requirements. If it's not doing it for you, then something's b0rked. |
| 11:35.01 | macoute | the url says it all: d25177BAD :) |
| 11:35.23 | Jaffa | lcuk: it's a little rude for a newbie to PM someone asking for help (assuming that's what it is) |
| 11:35.34 | Jaffa | Eugh. |
| 11:35.38 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: just ignore it |
| 11:35.43 | macoute | Jaffa: do you need to click twice a file to get it running? |
| 11:35.50 | lcuk | yes, especially when they are on a forum which should contain all the answers |
| 11:36.06 | Jaffa | macoute: in the web UI? no, they're normal links: click once, click "open", watch video |
| 11:36.10 | macoute | by checking logs ive discovered that first click starts the transcoding process and the other one starts playing on the file |
| 11:36.23 | macoute | Jaffa: to me in the web ui i really need to... :/ |
| 11:36.48 | GeneralAntilles | Copying the URL and pasting it into gmplayer works, too. ;) |
| 11:36.59 | GeneralAntilles | really needs to figure out the dbus filehandling. |
| 11:37.00 | macoute | for me: click once -> browser seems to be loading forever, click another time -> open -> video loads |
| 11:37.05 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: heh |
| 11:37.18 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, on the pastebin, what happens if i click "report spam" ;) |
| 11:37.29 | Jaffa | macoute: using what browser and what OS version on the tablet, what Perl/OS version on the server? |
| 11:37.31 | GeneralAntilles | Don't have a clue, lcuk. |
| 11:37.33 | macoute | GeneralAntilles: how about the performance of gmplayer compared to original player? |
| 11:37.44 | macoute | This is perl, v5.8.8 built for x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi |
| 11:37.45 | GeneralAntilles | mplayer > Media player |
| 11:37.49 | GeneralAntilles | It's significantly better. |
| 11:38.00 | macoute | Jaffa: and diablo builtin player+browser |
| 11:38.09 | macoute | GeneralAntilles: faster? |
| 11:38.13 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 11:38.20 | macoute | ok |
| 11:38.24 | GeneralAntilles | It'll play a lot more stuff. |
| 11:39.06 | Jaffa | macoute: OK< I'll try and have a play this afternoon since I've got the same version of Perl/arch and tablet OS. |
| 11:39.59 | GeneralAntilles | lol . . . https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3340 |
| 11:40.06 | macoute | Jaffa: n810? |
| 11:40.52 | Jaffa | macoute: yep, but h/w on the tablet side shouldn't really be a factor |
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| 11:41.12 | macoute | Jaffa: yep. it shouldnt :) |
| 11:44.29 | lcuk | wicked! a "chinook diablo" is a composite rafting paddle |
| 11:46.28 | lcuk | nokia told us they wouldn't send us up the creek without a paddle :D |
| 11:48.15 | lcuk | is there an actual changelog for chinook->diablo (which was what i was hunting for) |
| 11:49.09 | Jaffa | There're package version comparisons of the SDK packages, but no actual proper changelog |
| 11:49.20 | Jaffa | slaps lcuk for asking stoopid questions ;-) |
| 11:49.21 | GeneralAntilles | Pfft |
| 11:49.24 | GeneralAntilles | Changelog. |
| 11:49.30 | GeneralAntilles | seconds the slap. |
| 11:50.08 | lcuk | blocks the slap and retaliates with a dangerous double intercontinental slap |
| 11:50.56 | lcuk | jaffa, where would i find the sdk version log? |
| 11:51.12 | Jaffa | macoute: one click start just worked for me on stock diablo, clicking "open" when it asked. |
| 11:52.31 | lcuk | no fret, found it |
| 11:52.54 | Jaffa | macoute: hmm, but had an issue playing & stopping a BSG episode. |
| 11:53.43 | Jaffa | has Sunday lunch to eat, a dishwasher to fix, mud-builder to improve but I'll also try and look at mediaserv with diablo |
| 11:53.51 | GeneralAntilles | Can I talk anybody into making this not suck yet? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo#Maemo_SDK |
| 11:54.10 | lcuk | jaffa :) sounds like normal days for me |
| 11:54.30 | Jaffa | Oh, and Doctor Who to rewatch ;-) |
| 11:54.34 | lcuk | last week the washer decided to send a tidal wave across the kitchen |
| 11:54.39 | lcuk | heh |
| 11:56.28 | macoute | Jaffa: oki, thanks |
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| 12:29.04 | aquatix | misses canola2 |
| 12:29.37 | GeneralAntilles | Install it? |
| 12:31.19 | aquatix | does the chinook version just work? |
| 12:32.20 | GeneralAntilles | Just enable Chinook Extras. |
| 12:32.26 | aquatix | kk |
| 12:32.31 | GeneralAntilles | As I've said before, Diablo is 99% compatible with Chinook. |
| 12:32.36 | aquatix | i know |
| 12:32.50 | aquatix | but as canola2 has several services, i wanted to play safe |
| 12:33.08 | aquatix | thanks for hint though :) |
| 12:35.06 | macoute | how about canolas upnp-suppoty? |
| 12:35.08 | macoute | support |
| 12:35.21 | macoute | i see it has a plugin for that, but is it usable? |
| 12:35.28 | GeneralAntilles | It's fine. |
| 12:35.31 | GeneralAntilles | Why wouldn't it be? |
| 12:35.45 | macoute | GeneralAntilles: upnp is quite a mess |
| 12:36.04 | macoute | with what servers are you using it? |
| 12:36.10 | GeneralAntilles | Of course, but the INdT don't tend to release things unless they work pretty well. ;) |
| 12:36.20 | GeneralAntilles | EyeConnect, here. |
| 12:36.27 | GeneralAntilles | But others use FUPPES and MediaTomb |
| 12:36.31 | GeneralAntilles | and some Windows stuff that I don't remember. |
| 12:36.35 | macoute | ok, fuppes is ok |
| 12:36.45 | macoute | does it work with video too? |
| 12:36.53 | GeneralAntilles | Of course |
| 12:37.02 | macoute | hmm, but iirc fuppes doesnt support transcoding |
| 12:37.10 | GeneralAntilles | One of them will even transcode for you. |
| 12:37.15 | GeneralAntilles | MediaTombo, I guess. |
| 12:37.18 | macoute | oh it does |
| 12:37.20 | macoute | fuppes i mean |
| 12:37.27 | GeneralAntilles | -o |
| 12:37.37 | macoute | it was the only free one that does it |
| 12:38.09 | macoute | for linux |
| 12:38.22 | macoute | some did it only for audio |
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| 13:51.10 | Kompo_ | Anybody else had issues with Diablo + N800 + WPA? After update my N800 refuses to connect, the connectivity icon just flashes for a long time.. Without wpa works fine. (Zyxel 660hw) |
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| 13:52.24 | fnordianslip | i just installed diablo and cloned to SD, and wifi with WPA seems ok. |
| 13:55.04 | Kompo_ | fnordianslip: yeah, as I would also expect.. well, had to downgrade back to chinook |
| 13:56.03 | fnordianslip | Kompo_: strange. did you restore settings or manually enter the key? |
| 13:57.56 | Kompo_ | fnordianslip: just a clean flash, no restores. must be something really trivial, maybe I try to reflash at some point |
| 13:58.53 | fnordianslip | Kompo_: I've used both approaches with success, so should be no problems either way. Good luck ;-) |
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| 14:41.09 | terbo | howdy. |
| 14:42.08 | wazd | hey everybody :) |
| 14:45.01 | wazd | Does anybody still facing Diablo crash with OMWeather?) |
| 14:45.33 | terbo | tests out canola then updates to diablo ... |
| 14:48.01 | Raytray | I have that when I try to go to settings. |
| 14:50.01 | Astro | Kompo_: I'm not even seeing wifi networks with diablo :( |
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| 14:52.03 | Kompo_ | Astro: hehe. Well I'm happy I'm not the only one :) Seems like the over-the-air update feature will be put to work soon |
| 14:52.13 | Kompo_ | only one with wlan problems |
| 14:52.20 | wazd | Raytray, have you installed latest 0.20.5? |
| 14:52.21 | andre___ | is there a bug filed already? |
| 14:52.36 | Raytray | Not sure, let me check. |
| 14:54.04 | Raytray | Oh, no I havn't heh. |
| 14:54.18 | Kompo_ | Astro: Hmm. that was a bit illogical -- OTA updates need wlan connectivity :) :) :) |
| 14:54.46 | Astro | yesterday was one of the rare moments it worked |
| 14:54.51 | Astro | I updated |
| 14:54.55 | Astro | since then no luck |
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| 14:59.29 | Astro | I don't think I'll ever buy Nokia again |
| 14:59.36 | Astro | their opensource is a bad joke |
| 15:00.51 | Kompo_ | Astro: yeah, well, the earlier version still works and it's better supported currently. maybe first diablo problems will be fixed soon |
| 15:01.59 | Astro | I'm willing to investigate by myself |
| 15:02.05 | Astro | that's why I bought a linux device |
| 15:02.13 | lcuk | astro, which open source tablet are you going for next? |
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| 15:02.56 | lcuk | at least for now im happy to consider the nokia a platform to run OSS apps in and im not so bothered by closed source |
| 15:04.16 | waz1 | hey lcuk) |
| 15:04.36 | lcuk | hi waz |
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| 15:05.28 | waz1 | ah, what the heck with my nick >< |
| 15:05.42 | Jaffa | waz1: wazd's still connected |
| 15:06.07 | Astro | lcuk: openmoko? |
| 15:06.48 | forge | Uuuu |
| 15:07.19 | forge | I wouldn't say that freerunner is a tablet |
| 15:08.00 | lcuk | astro :) its not quite the same form factor :) but near enough to get you a gold star ;) |
| 15:08.16 | lcuk | you are right, if you're unhappy with nokia go to them |
| 15:08.29 | Astro | I'm very unhappy |
| 15:08.35 | forge | How come ? |
| 15:08.37 | Astro | coz wifi doesn't work in 9 of 10 cases |
| 15:08.58 | lcuk | in the situations where ive needed it its worked flawlessly |
| 15:09.14 | forge | Astro, only on diablo or on every OS ? |
| 15:09.15 | lcuk | but obviously this is a case of YMHV |
| 15:09.27 | Astro | forge: the problems started with chinook |
| 15:09.36 | Astro | before it was fine |
| 15:09.37 | forge | What HW ? |
| 15:09.45 | Astro | RX34 |
| 15:10.43 | lcuk | astro, you mean wifi was perfect on same hardware on os2007 and since 2008 has been released its gone downhill? are you sure this isn't anecdotal since wifi wasn't so abundent and there were less none standards to adhere to? |
| 15:10.45 | forge | Hmh, well i haven't had any problems ever but i'm not using it that much anymore and i'm using n770 sooo |
| 15:11.28 | lcuk | if infact its a breakage of the software stack perhaps you should see if theres specific bug reports about it and if anyone is pushing them |
| 15:11.29 | Astro | lcuk: pardon? |
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| 15:11.41 | lcuk | ok, you said it worked well before chinook |
| 15:11.44 | Astro | I opened the bug in february |
| 15:11.47 | freelikegnu | johnx: does Diablo's cx3110x driver have the wpa_suplicant patch? |
| 15:12.26 | lcuk | ahhh right, whats happened with it, you got a link? |
| 15:13.22 | Astro | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2926 |
| 15:15.04 | Jaffa | Gah, can't scp things to garage.maemo.org now |
| 15:15.33 | forge | Astro, i would imagine you have some silly hw failure |
| 15:16.11 | Astro | :( |
| 15:16.12 | forge | And it's not the sw's fault |
| 15:16.43 | forge | I guess your warranty is over ? |
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| 15:20.34 | Astro | no, I bought the dev last november |
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| 15:23.03 | forge | Hmh, well i would try to get it changed then, my friend's n800 has worked pretty much flawlessly without any kind of wifi errors like you described |
| 15:23.56 | forge | And the behaviour might implicate that the wifi chip is somehow burnt/flawed or the antenna isn't connected properly or other stuff like that |
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| 15:24.32 | forge | Why it goes worse with Os upgrades i have no idea |
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| 15:29.01 | Capn_Fish | Stskeeps/JohnX: You guys here? |
| 15:30.24 | Capn_Fish | Stskeeps johnx |
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| 15:40.04 | Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: i am |
| 15:40.12 | Capn_Fish | Hey |
| 15:40.31 | Capn_Fish | I was just checking out your Debian wiki page |
| 15:40.51 | Capn_Fish | It looks nice. You say X still works, even with the latest updates? |
| 15:41.18 | Stskeeps | well i base it off a quite recent (as in a couple of days ago) sid install and a somewhat modified .deb johnx made |
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| 15:41.43 | Stskeeps | such as it providing xserver-xorg instead and it worked fine for me |
| 15:41.43 | Capn_Fish | That's more recent than what broke my install, so I'll call that yes |
| 15:41.48 | Capn_Fish | That's more recent than what broke my install, so I'll call that yes |
| 15:42.00 | Stskeeps | it's quite a barebones system right now though - but X does work |
| 15:42.04 | Capn_Fish | Cool |
| 15:42.06 | Stskeeps | haven't added any Xsession things to the install right now |
| 15:42.09 | Capn_Fish | Barebones is the way to go |
| 15:42.24 | Capn_Fish | Do you need keymaps? |
| 15:42.31 | Capn_Fish | I have some I could get to you |
| 15:42.48 | Stskeeps | well anything to get it to the level of the beta3 i guess |
| 15:42.50 | Capn_Fish | Both the "standard" one (Xmodmaps and keymap.maps) and customized ones |
| 15:43.13 | Stskeeps | haven't really looked at the Xmodmap stuff yet but i guess it's needed for a good user experience :) |
| 15:43.28 | Capn_Fish | I also have an xbindkeysrc file that allows for right clicking |
| 15:43.33 | Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/xserver-xomap_1.3.99.0~git20070321-0osso2007420-rotate-nitdebian1.deb <- the xserver deb i use in the install |
| 15:43.38 | Stskeeps | that sounds nice :) |
| 15:43.43 | Capn_Fish | cool |
| 15:44.07 | Capn_Fish | Is there some place you want me to put/send them? |
| 15:45.10 | Capn_Fish | Heck, I just want a decent OS running on my N810 again! |
| 15:45.33 | Stskeeps | well the best thing would be constructing it as a package i guess - i haven't looked into how the xmodmap and xbindkeysrc stuff is set up in the beta3 |
| 15:45.54 | Capn_Fish | I believe xmodmap is installed by default, but you have to install xbindkeys |
| 15:46.20 | Stskeeps | i think you could possibly upload them in bug tracker at https://garage.maemo.org/projects/nit-debian |
| 15:46.29 | Stskeeps | or feature requests |
| 15:46.31 | Capn_Fish | The way to go would probably to have packages like xmodmap-config and xbindkeys-config that put the files into /etc, then the user can copy them to ~/ |
| 15:46.43 | Capn_Fish | I can do that |
| 15:47.07 | Stskeeps | well, we plan on having a good installer that's flexible, so |
| 15:47.14 | Stskeeps | every package installed is determined by a conf so |
| 15:47.26 | Capn_Fish | It looks like you've got a good start to that |
| 15:47.38 | Capn_Fish | Have you tried WEP? |
| 15:47.55 | Stskeeps | i tried WPA-PSK2 and that worked |
| 15:47.59 | Stskeeps | so i'm going to assume WEP would work |
| 15:48.06 | Capn_Fish | I hope so |
| 15:48.10 | Stskeeps | no clue though |
| 15:48.13 | Capn_Fish | It didn't for me on Beta3 |
| 15:48.22 | Capn_Fish | but WPA2 AES did |
| 15:48.41 | Capn_Fish | It's odd...Maybe doing WEP through wpa_supplicant would be the way to go |
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| 15:49.47 | Stskeeps | well. the way i dealt with it in my setup is through debian /etc/network/interfaces.. i failed to get any wifi applets to wor |
| 15:49.50 | Stskeeps | k |
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| 15:49.59 | Stskeeps | NetworkManager insisted everything was a LEAP network :) |
| 15:50.14 | Capn_Fish | lol |
| 15:50.36 | Capn_Fish | Do you have an N800 or an N810? |
| 15:50.39 | Stskeeps | n800 |
| 15:50.52 | Capn_Fish | So keymaps aren't a big deal to you :) |
| 15:51.01 | Stskeeps | well right clicking is always a good thing |
| 15:51.02 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 15:51.05 | Capn_Fish | Ya |
| 15:51.15 | Capn_Fish | I couldn't get middle clicking working, though |
| 15:51.23 | Capn_Fish | Well, I could, but not at the same time as right |
| 15:51.45 | Capn_Fish | I couldn't find two working key combos + screen tap |
| 15:52.01 | Capn_Fish | Oh, well. It's not a huge issue |
| 15:52.59 | Capn_Fish | What files do I need to download initially to install this? |
| 15:53.15 | Stskeeps | as in X or the debian? |
| 15:53.25 | Capn_Fish | To install Debian |
| 15:53.51 | Stskeeps | just have a working root access on tablet and an internet connection.. maybe subversion to fetch down it |
| 15:54.03 | Stskeeps | in our final version it would give installer.tar.gz and then fetch dependancies |
| 15:54.10 | Capn_Fish | k |
| 15:54.24 | Capn_Fish | Bah....so much I need to do before starting :( |
| 15:54.33 | Capn_Fish | I knew I shouldn't have installed Diablo |
| 15:55.18 | Capn_Fish | So I just SVN down the stuff, then run the scripts mentioned in the Wiki? |
| 15:56.10 | Stskeeps | aye. svn checkout svn://svn.tspre.org/nit-debian/trunk , cd trunk/installer, ./debian-installer /where/your/ext2orext3SD-card-is CC , where CC is country code of the ftp mirror you want to fetch from |
| 15:56.18 | Capn_Fish | Oh, another idea...Maybe the log daemons shouldn't be installed? Since we're running off of flash? |
| 15:56.21 | Stskeeps | it assumes the target is empty |
| 15:56.29 | Capn_Fish | THat's fine by me |
| 15:56.32 | Stskeeps | well, i have them on right now cos experiments went bad at first :) |
| 15:56.35 | Capn_Fish | I assume jffs2 is OK? |
| 15:56.36 | Stskeeps | so i needed a way to diagnose errors |
| 15:56.44 | Capn_Fish | Ya, but for release.... |
| 15:56.45 | Stskeeps | no clue |
| 15:56.49 | Capn_Fish | fair enough |
| 15:56.50 | Stskeeps | (jffs2) |
| 15:56.54 | Stskeeps | think it should be okay |
| 15:57.03 | Stskeeps | i don't make any assumptions about the fs i think |
| 15:57.03 | Capn_Fish | It's like ext2 for flash IIRC |
| 15:57.14 | Capn_Fish | It is a *NIX fs |
| 15:57.28 | Capn_Fish | Just with wear-leveling/minimizing |
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| 15:57.36 | Capn_Fish | Good for flash memory :) |
| 15:57.39 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
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| 15:58.11 | Stskeeps | ./debian-installer gets the dependancies needed to run the installer and then runs the python installer in a screen session |
| 15:58.29 | Capn_Fish | OK |
| 15:58.42 | Capn_Fish | soo I only need to run debian-installer? |
| 15:59.04 | Stskeeps | yep - assuming you have mounted the target filesystem |
| 15:59.21 | Capn_Fish | Cool |
| 15:59.26 | Capn_Fish | Makes things easy! |
| 15:59.39 | Stskeeps | beware you're ending with a barebones system with usb net, X started (no wm installed), and wifi if you adjust it in the tablet setup |
| 16:00.00 | Capn_Fish | THat's fine |
| 16:00.05 | Capn_Fish | Even ideal |
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| 16:00.18 | Capn_Fish | It took time to remove all of the Xfce stuff :) |
| 16:00.21 | Stskeeps | oh, and leave it on charger. this stuff takes a long time |
| 16:00.22 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:00.42 | Capn_Fish | Do I need to do the Bootstrapping/tablet support steps myself? |
| 16:00.47 | Capn_Fish | They're kind of in another section |
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| 16:01.23 | Stskeeps | nop, that's just describing what is done in installer |
| 16:01.32 | Capn_Fish | Ah, gotcha |
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| 16:02.00 | sinak | hello! How can I edit a picture in N800? I tried to open it with Sketch but it didn't manage to open it |
| 16:02.02 | Capn_Fish | I will have to try this today |
| 16:02.02 | Stskeeps | and how the OS is started up |
| 16:02.09 | Capn_Fish | k |
| 16:02.32 | Capn_Fish | You know, it's nice having the rootfs on SD |
| 16:02.39 | freelikegnu | Stskeeps: I ran debian on my n800 and WPA works well |
| 16:02.41 | Stskeeps | and if the installer fails prod me - i didn't install a fresh image after adding latest package |
| 16:02.43 | Capn_Fish | Makes it easy to fix things you break |
| 16:03.17 | Stskeeps | freelikegnu: using what network configuration? /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 16:03.32 | freelikegnu | one thing that keeps me from using debian full time is powermanagement of the wifi |
| 16:03.39 | Capn_Fish | sinak: have you checked the repos for an image editing app? What filetype is it? |
| 16:03.54 | sinak | it is jpeg |
| 16:03.55 | Stskeeps | freelikegnu: well, if any more details can be figured out about it it's always good |
| 16:04.03 | Capn_Fish | freelikegnu: Doing an "iwconfig wlan0 power 1" doesn't work? |
| 16:04.28 | Capn_Fish | sinak: Well, there's always running GIMP in a Debian chroot :) |
| 16:04.30 | freelikegnu | sts, I put my networks in a /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf and then run wpa_supplicant from /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:04.35 | Stskeeps | freelikegnu: k |
| 16:04.44 | Capn_Fish | But I'd check to see if there's a Maemo image editing app first |
| 16:05.04 | Stskeeps | freelikegnu: same i did, sortof - latest debian has proper wpa_supplicant support for /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:05.15 | sinak | ok i'll check the repos :-) |
| 16:05.24 | Capn_Fish | Best of luck |
| 16:05.28 | freelikegnu | something like "pre-up wpa_supplicant -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -iwlan0 -Dwext" |
| 16:05.39 | freelikegnu | oh be sure to add -B |
| 16:05.50 | freelikegnu | for daemon mode |
| 16:05.53 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 16:05.54 | Capn_Fish | That's kind of important :) |
| 16:06.23 | freelikegnu | then "post-down killall wpa_supplicant" |
| 16:06.31 | freelikegnu | kind of brute force, but hey |
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| 16:06.52 | Capn_Fish | nah, brute force would be kill -9 |
| 16:06.57 | freelikegnu | hehe |
| 16:07.38 | Capn_Fish | Of course, that would involve grepping and stuff to get the process ID |
| 16:07.50 | Stskeeps | or just going into /var/run/wpa_supplicant-wlan0 or something |
| 16:07.51 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:08.02 | Capn_Fish | Fair enough |
| 16:08.17 | Capn_Fish | catting, then |
| 16:08.23 | Capn_Fish | lol |
| 16:08.30 | RST38h | yawn |
| 16:08.53 | terbo | i second that emotion. |
| 16:08.57 | Capn_Fish | Have you figured out how to control the power LEDs and/or keyboard backlight (I assume not on that one)? |
| 16:09.34 | Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: well, i focused mostly on making a proper installer :) hope there'll be more people in on this to make some of the more user oriented things |
| 16:09.46 | Capn_Fish | Fair enough. |
| 16:10.01 | Stskeeps | my goal was a proper barebones distro that is installed from the tablet instead of having to debootstrap it on desktop |
| 16:10.08 | Capn_Fish | I looked at it, and there's nothing obvious in /proc or /sys |
| 16:10.20 | Capn_Fish | on Maemo, I mean |
| 16:10.25 | Stskeeps | with ability to extend and install whatever we want on it ;) |
| 16:10.42 | Capn_Fish | Sounds like you did a good job of it, too |
| 16:10.49 | Capn_Fish | It is much appreciated |
| 16:11.33 | freelikegnu | I played around with Ubuntus hildon and sugar desktops the other day |
| 16:11.46 | Capn_Fish | Oh? |
| 16:12.02 | freelikegnu | sugar really does not like being on 800x600 |
| 16:12.04 | Capn_Fish | The new ubuntu-mobile or whatever they're calling it |
| 16:12.10 | Capn_Fish | ? |
| 16:12.14 | freelikegnu | yeah ubuntu "MID" |
| 16:12.25 | freelikegnu | MID was neat |
| 16:12.37 | Capn_Fish | Do you know where they stuck the source for that interface? |
| 16:12.41 | freelikegnu | turned my pc tablet into a giant n800 |
| 16:12.49 | Capn_Fish | lol |
| 16:12.58 | RST38h | heavy and power hungry? |
| 16:13.01 | freelikegnu | I think is universe? |
| 16:13.10 | freelikegnu | lemme check |
| 16:13.12 | Capn_Fish | It's in the main feeds? |
| 16:13.27 | Capn_Fish | *slaps himself in the head* |
| 16:13.35 | Capn_Fish | Why didn't I think of that? |
| 16:14.32 | freelikegnu | yeah universe X11 |
| 16:14.44 | freelikegnu | look for hildon-desktop meta package |
| 16:14.49 | Capn_Fish | OK |
| 16:15.08 | Capn_Fish | Or just the source packages :) |
| 16:15.36 | Capn_Fish | some of the Zaurus Debian folks are looking to have it on their Zaurii, and I thought I'd try to build it |
| 16:15.51 | freelikegnu | or $ apt-cache search hildon dev |
| 16:16.14 | Capn_Fish | k |
| 16:16.35 | freelikegnu | you'll prolly need some matchbox deb stuff too, hmm? |
| 16:16.39 | Capn_Fish | I'm going adventuring, then (N810 root access, fanoush's bootloader, and Debian install) |
| 16:16.39 | freelikegnu | *dev |
| 16:16.43 | Capn_Fish | probably |
| 16:17.07 | glass_ | freelikegnu: mid's are neat... but i'd like to see the day they're cheap |
| 16:17.12 | Capn_Fish | We'll see what it complains about |
| 16:17.16 | freelikegnu | an alternative hildon for n8xx would be nice :D |
| 16:17.18 | Capn_Fish | Catch you all later |
| 16:17.31 | Capn_Fish | freelikegnu: Or just a decent OS (Like Debian) |
| 16:17.39 | freelikegnu | glass_: n800 is pretty darn cheap |
| 16:17.53 | freelikegnu | cya Capn_Fish |
| 16:17.56 | Capn_Fish | Bye |
| 16:19.31 | glass_ | freelikegnu: yes but it's not near the power of what a mid is supposed to pack |
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| 16:20.41 | freelikegnu | glass_: how is that? |
| 16:21.18 | glass_ | freelikegnu: intel mids are x86 based, with 2-4 times memory of n800's |
| 16:21.33 | Jaffa | And no more than 1/2 the battery life |
| 16:21.46 | glass_ | and triple the price |
| 16:22.19 | freelikegnu | so today you can have a cheap mid, that is adequate |
| 16:22.20 | sinak | i want to write a message in a photo. How can i do that? (n800) |
| 16:22.40 | glass_ | freelikegnu: ..point is, n800 is not a MID |
| 16:22.46 | glass_ | as intel puts it |
| 16:22.53 | sinak | sketch couldn't open my photo |
| 16:23.08 | glass_ | and as intel puts it is how ubuntu puts it |
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| 16:23.50 | freelikegnu | ubuntu is also ported to hw other than x86 |
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| 16:24.51 | freelikegnu | ppc, spark, and now mips |
| 16:26.11 | freelikegnu | and while its great that intel and Canonical are chummy, all the better for everyone else |
| 16:27.03 | freelikegnu | whatever puts more gnu in peoples hands is a GoodThing afaic |
| 16:27.30 | glass_ | freelikegnu: yes, but it's aimed at beefier devices |
| 16:27.50 | glass_ | and currently the pricepoint is way too high to put it into hands of people in large scale |
| 16:29.58 | freelikegnu | I think thats rather short sighted, seeing as how I could run Ubuntu mid on a $100 pIII tablet |
| 16:30.11 | freelikegnu | so for me MID is an enabler, today |
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| 16:41.49 | Jaffa | freelikegnu: what PIII tablet costs $100? |
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| 16:45.07 | freelikegnu | Fujitsus |
| 16:45.45 | freelikegnu | Hammerheads |
| 16:47.01 | freelikegnu | Itronix |
| 16:47.36 | freelikegnu | I bought I couple Itronix touchscreen laptops for my kids for about $150 each |
| 16:48.07 | Jaffa | Cool |
| 16:48.29 | freelikegnu | currently they urn XFCE |
| 16:48.32 | freelikegnu | *run |
| 16:48.42 | freelikegnu | but MID looks compelling |
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| 16:49.51 | freelikegnu | some of these older machines have basic 3d accelleration too |
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| 16:52.53 | glass_ | used price is used.. |
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| 17:04.27 | freelikegnu | http://search.ebay.com/tablet-pc-fujitsu-500_Laptops-Notebooks |
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| 17:07.09 | wazd | darn gprs... |
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| 17:14.19 | RST38h | Anybody else has 11-18MB browserd running AFTER MicroB has quit? |
| 17:16.39 | zap | Can I save somehow the kernel before flashing a new one with 'flasher' ? |
| 17:16.47 | zap | just in case my kernel won't boot :) |
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| 17:18.29 | Atarii` | zap i had the same though |
| 17:18.32 | Atarii` | however |
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| 17:18.47 | Atarii` | to go back to an original kernel, you can extract one from a fiasco image |
| 17:18.54 | Atarii` | using the linux flasher program |
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| 17:21.45 | Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: Still here? |
| 17:22.58 | zap | Atarii: cool, that worked |
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| 17:24.03 | zap | anybody knows which command line has kernel by default? |
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| 17:25.53 | Atarii | ? |
| 17:25.54 | RST38h | moo, rm_you |
| 17:26.08 | rm_you | cluck, RST38h |
| 17:26.34 | rm_you | I've never been up this early... |
| 17:26.41 | rm_you | What happens? >_> |
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| 17:27.18 | lcuk | oh shit, everyone: rm's here put away the cool stuff |
| 17:27.24 | wazd | i have 9.30 pm now) |
| 17:27.42 | lcuk | errr hi rm_you :S :D |
| 17:27.57 | RST38h | rm_you: nothing happens here |
| 17:28.01 | RST38h | same people |
| 17:28.06 | RST38h | any time zone |
| 17:28.20 | Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: I'll take that as a no? |
| 17:28.27 | RST38h | If you wish news, I can complain about Diablo icroB |
| 17:28.31 | wazd | lcuk, soooo, visual impovement idea for your stars) |
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| 17:28.45 | wazd | +1 |
| 17:29.00 | wazd | sluggish "connectting..." |
| 17:29.48 | Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: sorry, gf showing me pics of her diving classes |
| 17:29.55 | Capn_Fish | np |
| 17:30.07 | Capn_Fish | I'm having issues with the install script |
| 17:30.27 | Capn_Fish | It says "failed to install deps. Please check your apt sources" |
| 17:30.29 | wazd | so, about stars, maybe you shoud make them black on spawn and then smoothly turn them to white?) |
| 17:30.58 | Capn_Fish | What source do I need to add that has Python, Wget, binutils, and subversion? |
| 17:31.59 | Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: http://rafb.net/p/rFvRRf59.html are the ones i have |
| 17:32.17 | Capn_Fish | kk |
| 17:32.17 | Stskeeps | i'm guessing maemo extras |
| 17:32.25 | Capn_Fish | I have that enabled... |
| 17:32.36 | Stskeeps | diablo release though? |
| 17:32.41 | Stskeeps | i didn't test on diablo, didn't upgrade :P |
| 17:34.03 | Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: could i get your xmodmap and xbindkeys files you mentioned btw? just put them on rafb.net/paste or something |
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| 17:35.20 | Capn_Fish | OK |
| 17:35.23 | Capn_Fish | hang on a tif |
| 17:36.05 | Capn_Fish | http://rafb.net/p/X0OOF142.html xbindkeysrc |
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| 17:37.00 | Stskeeps | ta, i'll just put them on wiki in planning stage package |
| 17:37.01 | Stskeeps | s |
| 17:37.23 | Capn_Fish | k |
| 17:37.30 | Stskeeps | and that is based on n810 keyboard? |
| 17:37.52 | Capn_Fish | http://rafb.net/p/PvPhhk16.html xmodmaps (look carefully) |
| 17:37.53 | Capn_Fish | Ya |
| 17:38.08 | Capn_Fish | They're missing the keys on the top (+/-, power, fullscreen) |
| 17:38.12 | Capn_Fish | unfortunately |
| 17:38.21 | Capn_Fish | I'll get to it eventually |
| 17:38.29 | zap | Anybody has some good pointers on N810 boot process? I want to understand it in details |
| 17:39.30 | Capn_Fish | http://rafb.net/p/HB5fW086.html keymap.map (same as for xmodmaps) |
| 17:39.55 | Capn_Fish | Xbindkeys needs 2 files, BTW |
| 17:39.55 | Capn_Fish | mouse-m and mouse-r |
| 17:40.32 | Capn_Fish | http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=25846&st=0&start=0 |
| 17:40.35 | Capn_Fish | Get them there |
| 17:40.40 | pupnik_ | http://youtube.com/watch?v=4Qlm4v6i80c Michael Penn - "It's a Long Way Down" |
| 17:40.46 | pupnik_ | so good |
| 17:42.32 | Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: the zdevil click thing? |
| 17:42.37 | Capn_Fish | ya |
| 17:42.46 | Capn_Fish | There are two binaries in the package |
| 17:43.07 | Capn_Fish | mouse-m and mouse-r, which generate middle and right mouse clicks |
| 17:43.36 | Stskeeps | source is your mouseclick.tar.gz? |
| 17:44.06 | Capn_Fish | Kind of |
| 17:44.28 | Capn_Fish | It's likely my source for mouse-r |
| 17:44.41 | Capn_Fish | I can't remmeber if my source is a regular click or not |
| 17:44.41 | lcuk | wazd, i did that originally, but it doesnt look as good as you think it would. |
| 17:44.49 | Capn_Fish | It should be one variable that needs changing |
| 17:46.48 | Stskeeps | k - i'll just add sources and needed information to do the trick then |
| 17:46.53 | lcuk | but that *was* before i had sync lock, let me just try it again |
| 17:46.59 | Capn_Fish | fair enough |
| 17:47.10 | Capn_Fish | Got everything else? |
| 17:48.09 | Stskeeps | the xmodmaps.. what are the benefits of those? N810 keyboard working or? |
| 17:48.23 | Capn_Fish | THe kb WORKS without them |
| 17:48.38 | Capn_Fish | the mappings are just off (no tab or /, kind of a pain on Linux) |
| 17:48.50 | Capn_Fish | Necessary for al FN key combos and some others |
| 17:49.40 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 17:50.47 | Capn_Fish | wonderful! :) |
| 17:51.04 | RST38h | gentlemen, could someboyd tell me what is the analog of bpf device in linux? |
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| 17:54.54 | pupnik | btw RST38h did you ever find a high resolution timer on the OMAP2420 ? |
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| 17:55.16 | pupnik | something like on the 80x86 |
| 17:55.53 | RST38h | pupnik: I did not try - just using Linux usleep |
| 17:55.53 | lcuk | how high do you need pupnik? |
| 17:55.58 | RST38h | usleep seems to work though |
| 17:56.35 | RST38h | If I understand things correctly, a polite Unix-like OS should automatically make use of hires timer when you do stuff like nanosleep() etc |
| 17:57.40 | Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: do you know if we have XKB support in X? |
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| 17:59.20 | Capn_Fish | No idea |
| 18:00.17 | Stskeeps | http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=25459&view=findpost&p=175502 mentions doing this through Xmodmap (right click), just wondering if it would work |
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| 18:01.00 | Capn_Fish | Well, check for xkb support with |
| 18:01.09 | Capn_Fish | xdpyinfo|grep XKEYBOARD |
| 18:01.20 | sp3000 | https://bugs.maemo.org/describecomponents.cgi?product=Communication |
| 18:01.35 | sp3000 | Email Bugs related to the e-mail application. |
| 18:01.41 | sp3000 | Modest Bugs related to Modest e-mail application |
| 18:01.57 | sp3000 | I suppose the former should be tweaked so ...uh, or, something |
| 18:02.10 | sp3000 | scratches head |
| 18:02.15 | sp3000 | shrugs |
| 18:02.20 | inz | add: "old'n'sucky"? |
| 18:02.32 | Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: got any experience making debian packages? |
| 18:02.38 | Capn_Fish | A little |
| 18:02.47 | sp3000 | inz: yeah, but then I started thinking about how that actually adds value |
| 18:02.52 | Capn_Fish | IPKs are the same, and I've made WAY too many of those |
| 18:03.03 | Capn_Fish | Debs are a little more picky, but I'm OK with it |
| 18:03.27 | sp3000 | maybe the Modest component should be merged into Email now that it's out |
| 18:03.34 | sp3000 | in a default sense |
| 18:03.38 | Stskeeps | well, for the base packages we use a simplistic version, where we just do dpkg-deb --build |
| 18:03.53 | Stskeeps | as dpkg-buildpackage can't be done on tablet |
| 18:04.04 | Stskeeps | (in a decent way) |
| 18:04.12 | sp3000 | since at this point using modest and filing bugs on it doesn't require knowing about its magical unicorn package name |
| 18:04.32 | Capn_Fish | OK... |
| 18:04.47 | Capn_Fish | Why can't dpkg-buildpackage be done on the tablet? |
| 18:05.21 | Stskeeps | wonders idly if we do dpkg-deb on tablet or on chroot |
| 18:05.38 | sp3000 | files a bug, that should poke the right bug people |
| 18:05.46 | lcuk | Stskeeps, :) thank you! i do all my coding on tablet and had gotten to realising i couldnt get dpkg-buildpackage on easily but lack of knowledge left me without a method. |
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| 18:06.09 | lcuk | at least now i know theres a way |
| 18:06.41 | kkrusty | isnt the Eclipse+ESbox video a bit too grainy? |
| 18:06.43 | Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: well ok, we can prolly do it on the debian chroot, but it's a bit silly pulling in build-essential to a pure debian iamge :) |
| 18:06.54 | Stskeeps | if we want to compile something |
| 18:07.03 | Stskeeps | for now our dpkg-deb method seems to work :P |
| 18:07.11 | Stskeeps | as we handwrite the control files and such |
| 18:07.14 | Capn_Fish | Fair enough |
| 18:07.30 | Capn_Fish | I personally like having build tools on the device, though |
| 18:07.44 | Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: could you look through the wiki page about the stuff we just discussed (xmodmap etc), and see if i did some major errors? |
| 18:07.52 | Capn_Fish | OK |
| 18:07.54 | Capn_Fish | brb |
| 18:08.16 | Stskeeps | lcuk: well it requires hand-making the package but besides that |
| 18:09.09 | lcuk | Stskeeps, you sure? couldnt i configure and set it up once in vmware (the horror that it is) with full tools, then once all setup use -deb to rebuild the deb as required |
| 18:09.28 | Capn_Fish | Looks fine to me. You may want to say where to put the files and how to activate them :) |
| 18:09.29 | sp3000 | Bug 3344 Submitted - do something about Modest vs Email bugzilla components |
| 18:09.36 | Capn_Fish | Otherwise it's all good |
| 18:09.49 | sp3000 | why don't we have a bugzilla bot, still :) |
| 18:09.51 | sp3000 | er |
| 18:09.52 | sp3000 | :( |
| 18:10.03 | Stskeeps | lcuk: well i guess so |
| 18:10.07 | sp3000 | doesn't have a 24/7 box to run one |
| 18:10.33 | Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: i'm thinking to switch instead of doing /home/user/.xsession in rc.local to /etc/X11/Xsession which then pulls in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ files.. where the xmodmap and xbindkeys stuff is activated |
| 18:10.34 | lcuk | either way, now i know i can rebuild direct i can carry on coding happily |
| 18:10.50 | Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: so we don't rely on X user being user |
| 18:10.51 | Capn_Fish | sounds good to me |
| 18:11.08 | lcuk | thanks for the tip - even though you werent giving out advice :D |
| 18:11.13 | Stskeeps | lcuk: hehe, np |
| 18:11.29 | Stskeeps | lcuk: i found out scary things about debian i really didn't want to know while doing this stuff |
| 18:11.32 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:12.03 | lcuk | yer i tend to agree, forgive my innocence but what is "this stuff" - i just came back from tea and saw your excellent comment |
| 18:12.33 | Capn_Fish | Debian on the NITs |
| 18:12.35 | Stskeeps | lcuk: we're building a debian installer for the tablets |
| 18:12.41 | Stskeeps | that is sane, and not a huge tar.gz |
| 18:13.32 | lcuk | i dont think anyone that puts debian on NIT is sane :P |
| 18:13.38 | Stskeeps | lcuk: http://wiki.maemo.org/Debian_for_NITs_development |
| 18:13.52 | Stskeeps | lcuk: hehe. it works pretty well so far |
| 18:14.06 | Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: Just to verify I did this right: I do "./debian-installer /media/mmc1 us" if I want to have my system's root to be /media/mmc1, right? |
| 18:14.22 | lcuk | ive heard good things about it tbh |
| 18:14.35 | Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: aye, it'll put the debian installation in that directory |
| 18:14.42 | Capn_Fish | cool |
| 18:14.54 | Capn_Fish | lcuk: You don't think Debian on the NITs is sane?!?!? |
| 18:15.01 | Capn_Fish | I have doubts on you sanity now... |
| 18:15.13 | Capn_Fish | lol |
| 18:15.25 | lcuk | its ok, i have the same doubts |
| 18:15.49 | Capn_Fish | Seriously, though, what's wrong with it? Maemo, to be brutally honost, sucks. |
| 18:15.57 | lcuk | its the linux way to get linux on all devices, even those that already run it ;) |
| 18:16.02 | Capn_Fish | And Debian is a great OS |
| 18:16.16 | lcuk | i agree with that, hows the framebuffer on deb side? |
| 18:16.24 | macoute | Capn_Fish: i though have some concerns about debians performance on tablet |
| 18:16.26 | Capn_Fish | It works fine |
| 18:16.32 | lcuk | fast or fine? |
| 18:16.32 | macoute | otherwise id have it already :) |
| 18:16.48 | Capn_Fish | I don't know. I haven't played with it yet |
| 18:16.53 | Capn_Fish | I just know it works |
| 18:17.22 | Capn_Fish | macoute: It's got fine performance |
| 18:17.55 | Cptnodegard | will future releases of apps be compatible with both chinook and diablo or just diablo? |
| 18:18.08 | macoute | Capn_Fish: so browser loads as fast as on maemo? (which is not fast enough, though :)) |
| 18:18.28 | lcuk | well (not sure if you know) ive been writing some framebuffer code to try to get nice fast updates out of the nokia. ive had some pondering about trying to create an x11 driver to talk to the lcd in a faster way. the only problem is its a YUV mode I am using, so greyscale would end up being a really fast end mode |
| 18:18.35 | Capn_Fish | I'd call it about even, perhaps a little slower. It renders at a good speed, though |
| 18:18.56 | lcuk | ( i cant expect RGB images to be converted on the fly for every instance in every program, so hence thinking grey..) |
| 18:19.05 | Capn_Fish | gotcha |
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| 18:19.11 | Capn_Fish | That's more than I know how to do |
| 18:19.17 | sinak | when i'm trying to save an image from sketch, it says Not enough space in target location. I'm sure i have a lot of free space. |
| 18:19.41 | Capn_Fish | Have you checked with "df -h"? |
| 18:19.57 | lcuk | same here, its one of my less than sane ideas, but its plausable. i know linux can handle being placed on greyscale framebuffers quite easily |
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| 18:22.57 | sinak | Capn_Fish i have 400mb free space |
| 18:23.04 | Capn_Fish | hmm...I don't know then |
| 18:23.34 | sinak | is it possible to be a ram problem? |
| 18:23.50 | Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: You know what we really need....A high-end box running Qemu rebuilding all of the Debian packages optimized for the N8x0 |
| 18:23.55 | Capn_Fish | sinak: I think not |
| 18:24.06 | Capn_Fish | That would solve any speed issues! |
| 18:26.16 | macoute | Capn_Fish: we dont even need a high-end box |
| 18:26.26 | macoute | as we have a lot of low-end boxes available :) |
| 18:27.53 | sp3000 | hmm, I wonder if I can cc component pseudo-qa accounts |
| 18:28.41 | Capn_Fish | macoute: true |
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| 18:29.03 | Capn_Fish | But the whole distributed computing thing seems like a pain to set up |
| 18:30.24 | Stskeeps | goes wreck havoc on the x server init scripts for kicks. |
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| 18:31.01 | snowmoon | looks at condor... 284 unclaimed CPU's |
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| 18:34.54 | Capn_Fish | I'm off for now |
| 18:34.57 | Capn_Fish | catch you later |
| 18:36.36 | inz | Started to play with cairo and came up with a "system monitor" (currently random data), anyone interested if I finish it: http://inz.fi/graph.png |
| 18:36.47 | RST38h | brontide: Mass-convert movies for N8x0 and put them online! |
| 18:37.15 | Navi | Lol |
| 18:38.38 | aquatix | is it just me, or isn't there a wireless-tools for chinook/diablo? |
| 18:39.21 | Navi | whatcha lookin' for? |
| 18:40.13 | RST38h | http://dansimmons.com/news/news_items.htm#carrion |
| 18:40.59 | RST38h | imagines Carrion Comfort being made into a movie by a bunch of perverse, sadomasochistic, US-hating French and chuckles in delight |
| 18:41.38 | Jaffa | inz: perty |
| 18:41.43 | freelikegnu | lets hope Audrey doesnt speak much |
| 18:42.57 | kuriiri_ | i just updated to diablo and now wayfinder says network error when trying to update maps |
| 18:43.01 | kuriiri_ | any ideas? |
| 18:43.02 | inz | Jaffa, I'll take that as a yes (and don't deny, or I'll never finish it) |
| 18:43.03 | kkrusty | someone needs to make a better video of the ESBox+Eclipse Plugin demonstration. |
| 18:43.10 | kuriiri_ | webbrowsing etc works fine |
| 18:43.47 | kkrusty | not that Im needy, Can anyone actually see my messages? |
| 18:44.08 | RST38h | freelikegnu: Given the storyline, she will not have a chance |
| 18:44.43 | RST38h | 'cause most characters die really quick there |
| 18:44.59 | melmoth | kkrusty: i do |
| 18:45.17 | kkrusty | melmoth: thanks. |
| 18:50.22 | melmoth | X-Fade: you here ? |
| 18:52.53 | kkrusty | cool I just found a high res version of the video. Now I know why I was being ignored :) |
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| 19:03.45 | crashanddie_ | if anyone is following the game, could you keep me posted about the score ? |
| 19:05.04 | melmoth | whot game ? |
| 19:05.20 | melmoth | autobuiler 1/developper 0 :-) |
| 19:05.25 | crashanddie_ | germany - spain |
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| 19:12.18 | Jaffa | 's father-in-law is watching it down stairs |
| 19:13.07 | Jaffa | inz: yeah, I'd have that running. Only needs axes and to be scalable and it'd do for a first release |
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| 19:21.04 | zap | hehe, 1:0 |
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| 19:22.26 | JamieBennett | anyone running a diablo scratchbox install? |
| 19:22.47 | zap | me |
| 19:23.01 | JamieBennett | Are you using chinook in the sources.lst? |
| 19:23.11 | JamieBennett | or Diablo? |
| 19:23.26 | zap | So far it's a fresh install and everything is by default |
| 19:23.30 | zap | let me look at sounrces.lst |
| 19:24.24 | zap | booting ubuntu in kvm |
| 19:25.31 | zap | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ diablo/sdk free non-free |
| 19:25.32 | zap | and so on |
| 19:26.19 | zap | also diablo/tools |
| 19:26.23 | JamieBennett | ah, thanks, can seem to install some of the gtk bits |
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| 19:28.46 | JamieBennett | import gtk is not finding a module named gtk :( |
| 19:32.20 | JamieBennett | zap Can you 'import gtk' from a python shell and see if it works for you? |
| 19:40.50 | brontide | Any gtk experts? why would a function work normally when invoked via __init__() or from an event dispatch, but fail miserably from idle_add? |
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| 19:41.38 | brontide | I've tried both gobject.idle_add and gtk.idle_add and they both hang. I think it's only when a dialog is shown. dialog.hide doesn't seem to do anything |
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| 19:50.22 | acydlord | hmm, is $99 a month worth 20mb fiber internets? |
| 19:50.46 | zap | JamieBennett: import gtk -> no module named gtk |
| 19:50.59 | terbo | acydlord: hmmm..... |
| 19:51.10 | Jaffa | acydlord: 20MB, or 20Mb? |
| 19:51.11 | JamieBennett | Umm, me things something isn't quite right with diablo just yet |
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| 19:51.22 | acydlord | 20Mb |
| 19:51.35 | Jaffa | Caps? |
| 19:51.41 | brontide | zap: Nokia-N810-23-14:/usr/local/bin# dpkg --list | grep python2.5-gtk |
| 19:51.41 | brontide | ii python2.5-gtk2 2.12.1-1osso3 Python bindings for the GTK+ widget set |
| 19:51.47 | acydlord | i gotta cal them tomorrow and fing out about caps and up speeds |
| 19:52.00 | Jaffa | And, presumably, given it's fiber(sic) you're pretty much guaranteed to actually *get* 20Mbps, unlike DSL. |
| 19:52.09 | zap | brontide: that's on diablo SDK? |
| 19:52.12 | terbo | static ip/servers? it all depends on your need for speed, man |
| 19:52.22 | brontide | Diablo |
| 19:52.26 | brontide | not SDK |
| 19:52.28 | zap | Diablo on N810? |
| 19:52.33 | acydlord | yeah |
| 19:52.33 | Jaffa | would be tempted. Currently paying around $50p.m. for "up to 24Mbps" ADSL2. But so far away from the exchange I actually get about 3.5 |
| 19:52.35 | zap | well, we're talking about SDK |
| 19:52.40 | JamieBennett | brontide: nothing for the dpkg command, not installed |
| 19:52.43 | acydlord | they also have a 12Mb fiber package for 46 a month |
| 19:53.04 | brontide | I'll assume you've tried apt-get'ing it |
| 19:53.08 | zap | apt-cache search python does'nt reveal anything gtk-related |
| 19:53.11 | JamieBennett | of course |
| 19:53.18 | JamieBennett | zap: indeed |
| 19:53.50 | brontide | Isn't this just like nokia... wait wait wait.. quick it's out now we have to catch up |
| 19:54.11 | brontide | you would have though they would have these things rebuilt before the launch |
| 19:54.40 | JamieBennett | brontide: yeah and the fact that we as developers are left to twiddle our thumbs until Nokia decide to fix the problem |
| 19:54.42 | acydlord | those are all community added btw |
| 19:54.56 | zap | JamieBennett: I think you can just add chinook repos to your sdk and use pygtk from there |
| 19:55.37 | JamieBennett | zap: not ideal but its the only way at the moment I think |
| 19:55.39 | acydlord | you can |
| 19:55.57 | Tenkawa | Anyone else having problems with omweather crashing in diablo when you try to open settings? |
| 19:56.09 | zap | hmm, I have read somewhere Diablo added suspend-to-ram functionality |
| 19:56.17 | zap | but I don't see anything new in the power menu |
| 19:56.26 | Tenkawa | hmm |
| 19:56.58 | acydlord | Tenkawa, mine crashed hildon-desk when i tried to access the settings with apt-worker open |
| 19:57.06 | acydlord | i'm going to try again in a sec after a reboot |
| 19:57.14 | Tenkawa | acydlord: interesting.. |
| 19:57.29 | Tenkawa | zap: that would kinda be cool |
| 19:58.07 | zap | on all Russian maemo-related site the article about Diablo release mention this |
| 19:58.30 | Tenkawa | hmm |
| 19:58.40 | Tenkawa | yeah I havent seen it either in the menus |
| 19:58.58 | acydlord | Tenkawa, yep, settings crashes my dekstop completely |
| 19:59.04 | Tenkawa | oh wow its pouring outside |
| 19:59.09 | Tenkawa | acydlord: yeah same here.. bummer |
| 19:59.51 | Tenkawa | pidgin crashes status bar when I try to un-minimize it too |
| 20:00.22 | acydlord | i didnt install pidgin this time, just throwing all my accounts in the default messenger |
| 20:00.44 | Tenkawa | ahh |
| 20:00.51 | Tenkawa | maybe I should try that instead |
| 20:00.55 | lbt | hmm, in a C++ member, I set a private variable, then trigger a signal. In the signal listeners, they access the private variable through an accessor - and it's not updated.... why? |
| 20:01.02 | lbt | see http://pastebin.com/d745c66e8 |
| 20:01.25 | acydlord | which repo is omweather in again? |
| 20:03.03 | zap | damnit |
| 20:03.03 | zap | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1649&stc=1&d=1210449290 |
| 20:03.16 | zap | suspend-to-ram was a devel feature :) |
| 20:03.29 | Tenkawa | bummer |
| 20:03.51 | Tenkawa | aol im is jabber based right? |
| 20:04.01 | acydlord | nope, oscar |
| 20:04.05 | Tenkawa | doh |
| 20:04.16 | acydlord | you probably need the addons for the rest of the protocols |
| 20:04.26 | Tenkawa | looking |
| 20:04.51 | lcuk | lbt, something up with your copy constructor for sState? |
| 20:04.51 | acydlord | packages.collabora.co.uk/maemo |
| 20:04.57 | acydlord | distro = chinook |
| 20:05.11 | acydlord | components = haze salut idle |
| 20:05.13 | zap | you can easily use icq/aol via any jabber->icq gateway |
| 20:05.19 | zap | like I do :) |
| 20:05.23 | Tenkawa | acydlord: thanks |
| 20:05.52 | acydlord | np |
| 20:06.06 | acydlord | zap, that makes it messy to track who's online if you have large lists |
| 20:06.12 | zap | ? |
| 20:06.39 | zap | if you have large lists, you have large lists and that doesn't depend on the protocol |
| 20:07.13 | acydlord | whenever i tried that with jabber transports it would only show who was online on the jabber account |
| 20:07.15 | lbt | sState is typedef enum sState_ {A,B,C} sState; |
| 20:07.43 | zap | acydlord: I don't understand |
| 20:08.02 | zap | jabber->icq gateway worked always fine for me, you see icq users like regular jabber users, almost no difference |
| 20:08.37 | acydlord | it showed me status for people using jabber protocol, but for all the others it showed them as always offline |
| 20:08.38 | Tenkawa | hmmm |
| 20:08.40 | lcuk | lbt, have you tried doing the debug after you change but before you emit |
| 20:08.44 | lbt | lcuk: nah, it's something else - state seems to have local scope... |
| 20:08.50 | Tenkawa | acydlord: know what the package name is? |
| 20:09.09 | zap | acydlord: I guess you haven't registered with the JIT gateway, you must give it your ICQ UIN/password so that it can log into AOL for you |
| 20:09.33 | lcuk | lbt, its not that local - its certainly declared outside the method you pastebinned |
| 20:09.53 | Tenkawa | acydlord: nm.. figured out my prob |
| 20:09.59 | lbt | private class member variable... |
| 20:10.00 | Tenkawa | my repo entry is broke |
| 20:10.03 | acydlord | ahh |
| 20:10.06 | lbt | sState state ; |
| 20:10.28 | acydlord | i have haze, salut, and bonjour support added to the default chat client, so that keeps me pretty much covered |
| 20:10.30 | lcuk | could any of your callbacks be forcing it back (or inside the emit_change) |
| 20:10.50 | Tenkawa | damn typo |
| 20:10.51 | Tenkawa | heeh |
| 20:10.52 | lbt | nope - accessor access only |
| 20:11.20 | lbt | I just wondered if *somehow* the class variable wasn't updated until the method exited |
| 20:11.25 | lbt | which sounded *wrong* |
| 20:11.55 | lcuk | so nothing else in your class touches state? |
| 20:11.56 | lbt | but I'm pulling hair at the moment - I'm going to have to run gdb soon..! |
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| 20:12.21 | lbt | constructor |
| 20:12.32 | lbt | (but it screams so I'd see that) |
| 20:12.53 | lbt | get_state() |
| 20:13.06 | lbt | and it puts out '0' always... |
| 20:13.07 | lcuk | add another log entry above the emit |
| 20:13.17 | lbt | yep... |
| 20:13.32 | kkrusty | do breakpoints work in ESBox? yes/no |
| 20:13.48 | kkrusty | *yes/no/maybe |
| 20:13.54 | acydlord | ugh, i need to go take a shower |
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| 20:17.37 | eocanha | hi |
| 20:17.57 | eocanha | does diablo extras upload work the same way than chinook extras upload? |
| 20:18.19 | eocanha | I'm trying to upload my package and I'm getting scp errors: |
| 20:18.36 | eocanha | Uploading to diablo-extras (via scp to garage): |
| 20:18.36 | eocanha | Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive). |
| 20:18.36 | eocanha | lost connection |
| 20:18.37 | eocanha | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:19.48 | Saviq | guys what's new in roadmap 1.1.0j-7 today? |
| 20:20.24 | lbt | lcuk: nah, something else is spooky: http://pastebin.com/d4dbf0262 |
| 20:21.00 | lbt | the output is 2 calls - it's getting set to 0 somehow... |
| 20:23.02 | lcuk | reset more than likely, sounds like your object is being recreated |
| 20:23.17 | lcuk | ie calling the method on a new instance each time |
| 20:23.29 | lbt | That's what I thought - so the constructor screams on creation so I'd see that |
| 20:23.48 | lbt | hmm, no ddd in the scratchbox |
| 20:24.29 | lcuk | you sure the constructor you think you are calling is the one its using |
| 20:24.55 | melmoth | eocanha: no, it doesnt |
| 20:24.55 | lcuk | ie, have you got a no param constructor which is spraypainted and another with optional arguments which is silent |
| 20:25.08 | lbt | good point - will check... |
| 20:25.34 | melmoth | eocanha: you have to use the autobuilder to put them in extras-devel |
| 20:25.49 | melmoth | and then, if they build ok (good luck :-) ) push them to extras |
| 20:25.55 | eocanha | :-/ |
| 20:26.15 | lbt | I did have - I wasn't using it ;) |
| 20:26.26 | melmoth | eocanha: http://extras-cauldron.garage.maemo.org/HOWTO.html |
| 20:26.35 | eocanha | thanks |
| 20:29.13 | zap | Are there any Diablo repositories? Or should I use chinook repos, including extras? |
| 20:29.26 | JamieBennett | chinook at the moment until its sorted out |
| 20:30.03 | zap | even no extras? |
| 20:30.32 | Saviq | use chinook |
| 20:31.41 | JamieBennett | zap: as was hinted earlier, Nokia has serious timing issues it seems, getting everything working on release day (or week) was not their priority! |
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| 20:45.25 | RST38h | Heh, looks like well-intentioned idea of herding everyone through autobuilder messed things up for everybody... |
| 20:51.21 | lbt | lcuk - build dependencies on .h file was wrong. I think some class files weren't rebuilt and were accessing bad memory. Of course, now I've hacked it to buggery... |
| 20:51.46 | lcuk | make clean; make :) |
| 20:52.04 | lbt | hmm, nope - maybe I spoke too soon... |
| 20:52.48 | lcuk | is the class small and encapulated or does it have a shedload of deps? |
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| 20:53.31 | lbt | small |
| 20:53.48 | acydlord | well thats the first time x-chat ever completely froze up on me |
| 20:56.07 | lcuk | if its small enough pastebin it and ill see if i can replicate |
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| 20:56.59 | lbt | ok - just changed from a typedef enum to a simple int and #defines.... |
| 20:57.48 | sinak | laterz |
| 21:02.56 | lbt | lcuk: OK - I give up... |
| 21:03.01 | lcuk | lol |
| 21:03.02 | lbt | want to have a look? |
| 21:03.10 | lcuk | yer gfi |
| 21:03.19 | lcuk | liquid@gmail |
| 21:03.19 | lbt | I'll send you a tar file if you like... easier |
| 21:03.58 | lcuk | whichever you like |
| 21:04.02 | timelyx | sp3000: yeah, i saw your ping |
| 21:04.06 | lbt | hmm - includes .o etc |
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| 21:08.53 | timelyx | sp3000: there was half a plan to deal w/ it |
| 21:09.03 | timelyx | i suppose you could just rely on the version field for email clients |
| 21:13.26 | aquatix | Navi: sorry, ran out |
| 21:13.36 | aquatix | i was looking for things like iwlist and iwconfig |
| 21:13.39 | Toba_ | ok I asked this before |
| 21:13.53 | Toba_ | but what is the maximum size mini/micro sdhc card that can be used in an n810 |
| 21:14.01 | Toba_ | the manual says 8 but I heard someone say that 16 worked |
| 21:14.03 | Toba_ | I think |
| 21:14.09 | aquatix | the largest one available :) |
| 21:14.11 | Toba_ | but that may have been in an n800 |
| 21:14.16 | aquatix | i should work, but you better try |
| 21:14.20 | aquatix | *it |
| 21:16.13 | lcuk | lbt, ive also got a c++ issue, but im not sure how to ask the question. perhaps im trying to do something wrong but once i get your mail address ill show you what i mean |
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| 21:16.39 | aquatix | meh, gotta run |
| 21:16.43 | aquatix | bye all |
| 21:16.56 | lcuk | cy aquatix |
| 21:17.04 | lbt | should have arrived by now (nb change frog to state in the constructor - experiment gone wrong) |
| 21:17.33 | lcuk | sent to .com? |
| 21:17.56 | lbt | yes |
| 21:18.55 | lcuk | hmmm, still 134 unread |
| 21:19.03 | lbt | There is a bug somewhere. repeated consecutive calls to get/set work... |
| 21:19.13 | lcuk | and a hotmail test just came through |
| 21:19.19 | lbt | if gtkmm carries on running it seems to overwrite |
| 21:19.38 | lbt | lemme see... |
| 21:19.45 | lcuk | when i said "sent to .com" i sent via hotmail and its in already |
| 21:21.14 | lbt | no bounces here... <sigh> try again... |
| 21:22.23 | lcuk | g is normally fastest at getting stuff |
| 21:22.43 | lcuk | but it has silly rules about contents of zips |
| 21:23.26 | lbt | trying, cc'ing my gmail acc |
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| 21:24.20 | lbt | in my gmail... |
| 21:24.40 | lcuk | and mine now |
| 21:24.52 | lcuk | :D |
| 21:24.54 | lbt | this is the smaller, clean version |
| 21:25.03 | lbt | so needs buildtools... |
| 21:25.25 | lbt | only 6 files though!! |
| 21:26.41 | kkrusty | I really would appreciate if someone told me whether breakpoints/debugging works under ESBox/eclipse |
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| 21:40.20 | zap | ahem |
| 21:40.28 | zap | openssh does not install on diablo |
| 21:40.40 | zap | how people lives without it? |
| 21:40.43 | crashanddie_ | hmm? |
| 21:40.55 | zap | the deb files from garage won't install |
| 21:41.01 | zap | I guess because of different openssh libs |
| 21:41.20 | timelyx | ? |
| 21:41.26 | timelyx | what's wrong w/ the ones from chinook? |
| 21:41.31 | crashanddie_ | zap, works nice here |
| 21:41.58 | zap | ah damnit |
| 21:42.08 | zap | the web site contains pointers to bora repo |
| 21:42.29 | timelyx | Jaffa / X-Fade: please zap jamie 3291/1 |
| 21:42.31 | crashanddie_ | just use apt-get ? |
| 21:42.55 | lbt | is ddd available for scratchbox? |
| 21:43.05 | lbt | it says Package ddd is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 21:43.17 | timelyx | lbt: why not use gdbserver? |
| 21:43.20 | timelyx | then you can use host ddd |
| 21:43.34 | zap | crashanddie_: it's not in any of the installed repos |
| 21:43.35 | lbt | ta - will google... |
| 21:43.38 | zap | and I have a lot of them |
| 21:43.42 | timelyx | (use gdb6.8 or newer on both sides) |
| 21:43.55 | Jaffa | timelyx: does seem like a little bit AOLish to get some karma :) |
| 21:44.02 | crashanddie_ | zap, it's in maemo extras |
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| 21:44.13 | timelyx | Jaffa: karma modifier *= 0; |
| 21:44.28 | Jaffa | timelyx: commenting != karma++ ? |
| 21:44.29 | timelyx | penalty for: driving engineers crazy |
| 21:44.49 | timelyx | if it is, i will personally rewrite the karma alg :) |
| 21:44.55 | Jaffa | :) |
| 21:45.19 | zap | it's in maemo extras *for* chinook |
| 21:45.27 | Jaffa | beds. More auto-builder fun can wait 'til tomorrow. |
| 21:45.40 | crashanddie_ | zap, chinook apps work fine for diablo |
| 21:45.50 | lcuk | lbt, ive just stripped out your state function and its working as expected over here |
| 21:45.59 | timelyx | http://it.slashdot.org/it/08/06/29/1745256.shtml |
| 21:46.15 | zap | crashanddie_: except a few of them, and openssh seems one of them |
| 21:46.29 | zap | crashanddie_: are you running diablo? |
| 21:46.48 | crashanddie_ | zap, please stop spilling shit, I'm running diablo, and openssh works fine |
| 21:46.55 | lbt | lcuk: hmm - I'm building in a scratchbox - but this isn't weird stuff |
| 21:47.01 | lcuk | and i cant see any issues with the code: building it would be a bit diff though without an actual makefile, i cant get autotools on device |
| 21:47.42 | lbt | I think it's an interaction with something else in gtkmm |
| 21:47.50 | lbt | I do do some sig_bind stuff |
| 21:48.11 | lbt | which is essentially typecasting function arg lists - which could be icky |
| 21:48.31 | lbt | repeated 'clean' calls work just fine... |
| 21:48.47 | lbt | over in MainWindow.cc |
| 21:48.57 | lbt | I call: |
| 21:49.00 | lbt | l.set_state(0); |
| 21:49.04 | lbt | l.set_state(1); |
| 21:49.04 | lbt | l.set_state(2); |
| 21:49.04 | lbt | l.set_state(s); |
| 21:49.04 | lbt | l.set_state(2); |
| 21:49.04 | lbt | l.set_state(s); |
| 21:49.04 | lbt | } |
| 21:49.13 | lbt | and it works as expected |
| 21:49.18 | lcuk | yer i saw, move to a pm though, people wont like flood ;) |
| 21:49.25 | crashanddie_ | lbt, watch out not to flood though |
| 21:49.28 | zap | aha |
| 21:49.35 | lbt | would i ? :D |
| 21:49.38 | zap | with apt-get it pulled openssh-0.9.7 too |
| 21:49.40 | lbt | I just type fast |
| 21:49.52 | crashanddie_ | zap, does it work? |
| 21:50.02 | zap | yep |
| 21:50.15 | crashanddie_ | zap, sweet :) |
| 21:50.15 | lbt | anyhow, the next call to set_state shows a new value |
| 21:50.17 | zap | I was clicking on openssh-common deb file from browser |
| 21:50.18 | mpeterson | I can't seem to find the package that has mkfs.ext2 since I've upgraded to diablo, can anyone help me please? |
| 21:50.26 | lbt | so I think the mem's being overwritten somewhere... |
| 21:51.54 | crashanddie_ | lbt give me a few minutes, I'll review your code |
| 21:52.25 | lbt | crashanddie_: I think it's the whole app that's the problem, not the class (99% sure) |
| 21:53.15 | lbt | crashanddie_: but yes please ! :) |
| 21:53.37 | crashanddie_ | ok :) ten minutes sound good? |
| 21:54.07 | lbt | fine - would you like a tarball? and do you have sbox/autotools? |
| 21:54.15 | lcuk | hmm lbt, i think you are right, the basic functions working (both tested and confirmed) |
| 21:54.29 | lcuk | its when you get into making the callbacks and using mem_fun |
| 21:54.36 | lbt | when I call it from a menu callback - yes |
| 21:54.37 | lbt | yes |
| 21:55.19 | lcuk | i think anyway |
| 21:55.27 | lcuk | being a n00b and all.. |
| 21:55.33 | lbt | does that sigc::bind and sigc::mem_fun look right to you? |
| 21:55.57 | lcuk | no, it all looks illogical but thats cos i know nothing about gtk |
| 21:56.23 | lbt | I only started learning this stuff on friday.... it's nice at first but the stl and some of the gtkmm stuff is a tad hairy... |
| 21:56.38 | crashanddie_ | you using maemomm or gtkmm ? |
| 21:56.41 | lcuk | lol |
| 21:56.55 | lcuk | :D its fun being on the bleeding edge |
| 21:57.01 | lbt | I'm compiling in sbox |
| 21:57.08 | lbt | so I guess maemomm |
| 21:57.09 | lcuk | lbt, crashanddie_ is a ++ old hand |
| 21:57.15 | lbt | ah... |
| 21:57.31 | lcuk | im goin havin a bath |
| 21:57.34 | lcuk | have fun |
| 21:57.43 | lbt | thanks for the help |
| 21:57.49 | lbt | and sanity check :) |
| 21:57.51 | lbt | l8r |
| 21:58.18 | crashanddie_ | lbt, maemomm is in fact gtkmm ported to the maemo platform, so it includes bindings for this platform |
| 21:58.47 | lbt | yep - maemomm then |
| 21:58.58 | lbt | it's a full, nice, working maemo app |
| 21:59.16 | crashanddie_ | but they are separate :P |
| 21:59.18 | lbt | I've done a quick armel build and copied the binary to my tablet and it's good |
| 21:59.27 | lbt | all the docs are gtkmm |
| 21:59.54 | lbt | and I got caught by Glib::ustring::compose not being in maemomm |
| 22:01.33 | lbt | crashanddie_: would you like a tarball? and do you have sbox/autotools? |
| 22:02.13 | crashanddie_ | yeah |
| 22:02.42 | crashanddie_ | but gimme a sec, when you see another crashanddie connect, send me thr link |
| 22:02.47 | crashanddie_ | this is my nit |
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| 22:10.59 | lbt | let me know when it gets there... |
| 22:12.10 | zap | ah, so cool, you can upload and boot a kernel onto n810 without flashhing it... |
| 22:13.06 | Toba_ | nice |
| 22:13.09 | Toba_ | did not know that |
| 22:13.22 | Toba_ | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220295 < this looks to be the biggest thing you can get for an n810 right now... |
| 22:13.34 | Toba_ | nothing else in minisd/microsd form factor is as big |
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| 22:13.49 | Toba_ | can't find the mini or micro sdhc in anything bigger than an 8 |
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| 22:14.49 | zap | there aren't any |
| 22:14.56 | Toba_ | yeah, I didn't think so |
| 22:15.06 | Toba_ | sandisk is supposedly coming out with them this month, but this month is almost over and I don't see 'em |
| 22:15.38 | zap | a cool yet unnoticed yet feature of Diablo is that it registers a hostname with DHCP server |
| 22:15.47 | Toba_ | that's pretty cool |
| 22:15.49 | zap | i had to patch chinook for that |
| 22:15.58 | zap | and not I don't. Yes thats cool :) |
| 22:16.08 | lbt | the gdbserver idea isn't quite working - I can connect - but any attempt to run gives a shared object file problem |
| 22:16.41 | lbt | gdb in the scratchbox works fine |
| 22:17.33 | lbt | I guess it's because my host doesn't have libhildonmm so installed... |
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| 22:22.42 | crashanddie | lbt, commands to execute, I'm not used to automake |
| 22:22.43 | crashanddie | ? |
| 22:23.04 | lbt | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -d -b |
| 22:23.08 | crashanddie | hmm |
| 22:23.38 | lbt | it's the maemopad example IIRC |
| 22:23.48 | crashanddie | ./configure: line 1259: syntax error near unexpected token `shopper,' |
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| 22:24.12 | lbt | are you in a scratchbox? |
| 22:24.16 | crashanddie | yeah |
| 22:25.03 | lbt | ah - have you done apt-get install intltool |
| 22:25.11 | lbt | it needs a later version than std |
| 22:25.17 | lbt | (don't ask me why...) |
| 22:25.36 | lbt | I mainly just followed the tutorial... |
| 22:25.49 | crashanddie | same error |
| 22:25.58 | crashanddie | I get a syntax error in ./configure |
| 22:26.01 | GeneralAntilles | Shitstorm of stupidity on itT . . . fun |
| 22:26.14 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, mostly why I'm not that active on it |
| 22:26.29 | GeneralAntilles | I remember when itT was cool and useful. . . . |
| 22:26.32 | GeneralAntilles | Those days are long gone. |
| 22:26.45 | crashanddie | I'm having the feeling all online communities have those passes |
| 22:27.26 | crashanddie | lbt, does your automake work ? |
| 22:27.41 | GeneralAntilles | I like the guys that ask about the Chinook/Diablo Extras error and the answer is on every page for 10 pages back. . . . |
| 22:27.50 | lbt | all the way to a shopper file |
| 22:27.58 | lbt | doesn't do the .po stuff yet |
| 22:28.03 | lbt | sent you a new tarball |
| 22:28.04 | crashanddie | lbt, if so, open up the configure file, and check the line 1259 |
| 22:28.10 | crashanddie | oh, ok |
| 22:28.23 | lbt | the tarball is post-autoconfig but then make clean |
| 22:28.28 | lbt | target is x86 |
| 22:28.58 | crashanddie | why would you want to work with target x86 ? |
| 22:29.17 | lbt | scratcbox/xephyr? |
| 22:29.32 | crashanddie | ble |
| 22:29.38 | lbt | it's easy for me - just works :) |
| 22:29.42 | crashanddie | yeah, sure |
| 22:29.50 | lbt | big monitors... very big ;) |
| 22:30.59 | crashanddie | didn't get any new tarball |
| 22:31.13 | crashanddie | brb, gotta get some nicotine in my lungs (and probably some other shit too) |
| 22:32.16 | lbt | ok |
| 22:33.58 | crashanddie | lbt, still no new email |
| 22:34.11 | lbt | just resent and cc'ed my gmail account |
| 22:34.16 | shackan | is there any 'fake gps' system for os2008 which uses wifi location? |
| 22:34.28 | lbt | I guess it's too big (500k) |
| 22:34.41 | crashanddie | gmail accepts up to 15M |
| 22:34.43 | lbt | 300k |
| 22:34.45 | crashanddie | got it |
| 22:35.08 | lbt | good |
| 22:35.33 | lbt | (I've not!!) |
| 22:36.32 | crashanddie | ok, this one works |
| 22:36.41 | lbt | cool |
| 22:36.47 | lcuk | lbt, i got the bigger one after the smaller one |
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| 22:37.02 | lbt | lcuk: you clean now? |
| 22:37.13 | lcuk | yes thx |
| 22:37.20 | lbt | that's what make clean does when you aim it wrong... |
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| 22:39.13 | crashanddie | oh what the... |
| 22:39.13 | crashanddie | No package 'libossoemailinterface' found |
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| 22:40.11 | lbt | fakeroot apt-get install libhildonmm-dev libhildon-fmmm-dev ??? |
| 22:40.25 | crashanddie | done |
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| 22:44.54 | lbt | in gdb how do I set a watchpoint on a C++ private variable? |
| 22:45.17 | lbt | no ddd so it's a bit of a pain :( |
| 22:45.19 | Atarii | shackan look into triangulation, specifically the skyhook project |
| 22:45.29 | Atarii | heres a link to get you started http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2008/02/19/wi_fi_triangulation |
| 22:45.55 | lbt | but I did a breakpoint just aftet the class is instantiated and then tried to watch the class.var |
| 22:46.01 | lbt | but it doesn't break... |
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| 22:48.21 | crashanddie | lbt, I can't build it, no matter if I'm under x86 or armel, still that libossoemailinterface problem |
| 22:48.51 | lbt | hmm - OK, let me look here... |
| 22:49.51 | lbt | can you remove that -l from the Makefile? |
| 22:51.37 | crashanddie | file:line ? |
| 22:51.51 | lbt | toplevel Makefile :100 |
| 22:51.59 | lbt | HILDON_LIBS |
| 22:52.07 | skibur | is xfce on the n800 ok? |
| 22:52.12 | skibur | anybody have that? |
| 22:52.12 | lbt | yep |
| 22:52.30 | lbt | still works without that -lossoemailli...... |
| 22:52.54 | crashanddie | erhm |
| 22:53.10 | crashanddie | I don't have a file shopper/Makefile |
| 22:53.59 | lbt | in the ./ directory (below src?) |
| 22:54.11 | lbt | did I miss it somehow in the tar? |
| 22:54.42 | lbt | nope - it's there AFAICS... |
| 22:54.52 | lbt | -rw-rw-r-- david/greaves 25530 2008-06-29 22:00:04 Makefile |
| 22:55.19 | lbt | did I send the wrong tar? |
| 22:55.20 | crashanddie | lbt, ok, give me a path |
| 22:55.28 | lbt | ./Makefile |
| 22:55.30 | lbt | :D |
| 22:55.35 | crashanddie | that's not a path |
| 22:55.50 | crashanddie | [sbox-DIABLO_X86: ~/sources/shopper] > ls Makefile |
| 22:55.50 | crashanddie | ls: Makefile: No such file or directory |
| 22:56.03 | crashanddie | ~/sources/shopper/src] > ls Makefile |
| 22:56.04 | crashanddie | ls: Makefile: No such file or directory |
| 22:56.09 | lbt | I beleive ypu :) |
| 22:56.16 | lbt | did I send the wrong tar? |
| 22:56.17 | lbt | ... |
| 22:56.20 | crashanddie | I dunno |
| 22:57.38 | lbt | http://pastebin.com/d32d713b9 |
| 22:57.53 | lbt | is what I meant to send... |
| 22:59.57 | crashanddie | looks kinda the same, only I don't have the Makefile |
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| 23:02.05 | crashanddie | I'm starting to wonder why people insist on using complex building tools during development, when obviously, it causes more issues than anything else |
| 23:02.46 | lbt | cause sorting the packaging out as you go is easier than dealing with a complex mess at the end? |
| 23:03.00 | lbt | It's not helping though |
| 23:03.23 | lbt | can you just do g++ `pkg ????` |
| 23:04.11 | crashanddie | give me a command line, I'll execute it |
| 23:04.51 | lbt | ok - lemme see |
| 23:07.36 | lbt | i486-linux-gnu-g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I. -I. -DMAEMO_CHANGES -I/usr/include/hildonmm -I/usr/lib/hildonmm/include -I/usr/include/gtkmm-2.4 -I/usr/lib/gtkmm-2.4/include -I/usr/include/hildon-1 -I/usr/include/glibmm-2.4 -I/usr/lib/glibmm-2.4/include -I/usr/include/gdkmm-2.4 -I/usr/lib/gdkmm-2.4/include -I/usr/include/pangomm-1.4 -I/usr/include/atkmm-1.6 -I/usr/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/include/sigc++-2.0 -I/usr/lib/sigc++-2.0/include |
| 23:07.37 | lbt | -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/include/cairomm-1.0 -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/include/cairo -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/libpng12 -I/usr/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/lib/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/include/hildon-fmmm -I/usr/lib/hildon-fmmm/include -I/usr/include/hildon-fm-2 -g -O2 -MT main.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/main.Tpo" \ |
| 23:07.37 | lbt | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.02 | crashanddie | lbt, main.cc:124: fatal error: opening dependency file .deps/main.Tpo: No such file or directory |
| 23:09.26 | lbt | here's a pastebin of my make: http://pastebin.com/d22f49380 |
| 23:09.41 | lbt | OK - never mind |
| 23:10.03 | lbt | the whole idea of following the tutorial was to do it "the right way" |
| 23:10.11 | lbt | but clearly that's not happening |
| 23:10.43 | jott | lbt: if you want ddd, i build packages for chinook some time ago: http://helicoid.de/maemo/ |
| 23:10.45 | lbt | I appreciate the effort you've put in though - thanks :) |
| 23:11.07 | crashanddie | sorry I couldn't be of more help |
| 23:11.16 | lbt | jott: thanks - that would be good - I'd started to do it through gdb but that hurts! |
| 23:11.42 | crashanddie | well, i'll go bughunting again |
| 23:11.46 | crashanddie | cheers |
| 23:11.54 | lbt | crashanddie not at all ... |
| 23:11.58 | lbt | cheers |
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| 23:28.13 | GeneralAntilles | andre___, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3345 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3344 duplicate? :D |
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| 23:48.25 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody know how often the repository updates take place in the background? |
| 23:48.31 | GeneralAntilles | (in Diablo) |
| 23:49.01 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, should be easy to check with some apt sniffing |
| 23:49.10 | crashanddie | nothing, I'm sure, you can't handle |
| 23:49.20 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, but it's easier for somebody who already knows to tell me. :P |
| 23:49.20 | crashanddie | but I'd guess it's once every 24 hours, at most |
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| 23:50.07 | Tenkawa | wouldnt it just use a timed check only when app manager is run |
| 23:50.18 | Tenkawa | why would there necessarily be a cron/at job? |
| 23:50.41 | GeneralAntilles | Update notifications |
| 23:50.46 | Tenkawa | that would save a lot of unneeded bandwidth |
| 23:51.04 | crashanddie | repo update is really not a lot of bandwidth |
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| 23:51.07 | Tenkawa | GeneralAntilles: yeah but is maemo designed to tell you on the fly if there are updates? |
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| 23:51.10 | GeneralAntilles | There wouldn't be much point in having update notifications if it didn't check automatically. |
| 23:51.14 | GeneralAntilles | Diablo is |
| 23:51.20 | crashanddie | Tenkawa, that's one of the Diablo features... :/ |
| 23:51.41 | Tenkawa | yeah but that could get chatty |
| 23:52.02 | Tenkawa | just open up the image and see if theres a cron/at job |
| 23:52.08 | GeneralAntilles | No cron |
| 23:52.11 | Tenkawa | that would be the likely mechanism |
| 23:52.20 | Tenkawa | or possibly system-monitpr |
| 23:52.24 | Tenkawa | er monitor |
| 23:52.32 | GeneralAntilles | It'd be alarmd if anything. |
| 23:53.46 | crashanddie | anyway |
| 23:53.48 | crashanddie | I'm out |
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| 23:54.14 | GeneralAntilles | How do you mean "chatty", anyway? |
| 23:54.25 | crashanddie | getting eaten by a whole army of mosquitoes out here |
| 23:54.29 | GeneralAntilles | It's just downloading a few zipped up text files. |
| 23:54.37 | GeneralAntilles | Mosquitos in France? |
| 23:54.58 | crashanddie | what, you think there's no insects here ? |
| 23:55.12 | GeneralAntilles | Nah, but mosquitos. . . . |
| 23:55.22 | crashanddie | ?? |
| 23:55.41 | GeneralAntilles | Nevermind. :P |
| 23:55.50 | crashanddie | a mosquito is a mosquito right ? It's just something that sucks blood out of ya |
| 23:57.12 | crashanddie | anyway |
| 23:57.13 | t_s_o | hmm, whats the check interval for updates in diablo? |
| 23:57.23 | GeneralAntilles | lol. . . . |
| 23:57.23 | crashanddie | DJEEZUS SCROLL UP |
| 23:58.49 | t_s_o | i could have sworn i looked and found nothing, sorry... |
| 23:59.04 | *** join/#maemo _acyd_ (n=acydlord@ip70-190-193-200.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 23:59.48 | t_s_o | bah, there are days/weeks/months where i should just have stayed in bed... |
