| 00:00.06 | GeneralAntilles | Poor summatusmentis |
| 00:00.16 | GeneralAntilles | m_mouser, yeah |
| 00:00.24 | GeneralAntilles | pidgin notification or led plugin or something |
| 00:00.25 | GeneralAntilles | It's around |
| 00:00.29 | GeneralAntilles | google should turn it up. |
| 00:00.40 | GeneralAntilles | Er, yeah, Mousey answered. . . . |
| 00:01.38 | summatusmentis | but! It's working,and it might be USB that's tghe bottleneck |
| 00:01.44 | summatusmentis | the* |
| 00:01.53 | Mousey | WTF?! |
| 00:02.02 | summatusmentis | s/USB/bluetooth/ |
| 00:02.45 | m_mouser | Thanks mousey/general! |
| 00:04.22 | GeneralAntilles | Bluetooth should cap out around 50KB/sec with DUN |
| 00:04.27 | GeneralAntilles | 120KB/sec with PAN |
| 00:04.43 | Mousey | ONE DAY I'LL FIGURE PAN OUT! |
| 00:04.53 | summatusmentis | PAN shows up to your carrier right? |
| 00:04.54 | Mousey | also, i get 70ish kps with EVDO |
| 00:05.19 | Mousey | Suitable USB device not found, waiting |
| 00:05.53 | GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, shouldn't but I'm not sure. |
| 00:06.12 | GeneralAntilles | Mousey, turn it off, plug it into USB, hold the Home/Swap key, turn it on. |
| 00:06.31 | Mousey | ooooooooh |
| 00:06.35 | Mousey | is a dullard |
| 00:06.37 | summatusmentis | hmm... weel, I'm on DUN... oh... phone battery dying... bbl |
| 00:06.47 | summatusmentis | s/weel/well/ |
| 00:08.05 | Mousey | hmm, what's the swap key? |
| 00:08.37 | Mousey | shares the rocker with the esc key, rt? |
| 00:09.00 | GeneralAntilles | Right |
| 00:09.48 | Mousey | i apparently have to turn off the device lock thing too eh |
| 00:11.33 | Mousey | god. i am 10 doing this wrong |
| 00:13.20 | Mousey | RTFM's, FTW |
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| 00:15.31 | Mousey | Finishing flashing... done |
| 00:15.38 | Mousey | I CAN HAS UPGRADEING! |
| 00:15.41 | Mousey | ^_^ |
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| 00:15.51 | Mousey | proceeds back to lurkland |
| 00:20.10 | GeneralAntilles | Just remember to dupe the maemo Extras entry and change the distribution to chinook |
| 00:21.44 | Mousey | oooh, good one. i have eleventy billion sources, i'll be sure to add that one =) |
| 00:23.13 | GeneralAntilles | Personally, I would delete most of them. |
| 00:23.21 | GeneralAntilles | Only pick the repositories that actually have things you need. |
| 00:23.35 | Mousey | you think that's bad, you should see my debian sources list |
| 00:24.04 | Mousey | SEE FOR YOURSELF! http://ross154.net/~mprov/MASTER.sources.list |
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| 00:26.22 | Mousey | well the application list restor no worky |
| 00:26.54 | Mousey | restores from backup again |
| 00:26.55 | Mousey | wee! |
| 00:27.13 | crashanddie | Mousey, my repo list is maybe what, 8 lines long ? |
| 00:27.20 | Mousey | where can i find a 4.1 changelog? also, did they fix the GPS aquisition time yet? |
| 00:27.42 | GeneralAntilles | Changelog . . . ha |
| 00:28.04 | crashanddie | Mousey, from what I gathered, it's a firmware problem |
| 00:28.12 | Mousey | crashanddie: everybody suffers from lackofactuallywantingbazillionsofapplicationsosis but ME |
| 00:28.22 | GeneralAntilles | agps-ui is in Extras |
| 00:28.34 | GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?bug_file_loc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_id=&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED&bugidtype=include&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&email1=&email2=&emailassigned_to1=1&emailassigned_to2=1&emailcc2=1&emailqa_contact2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailtype1=substring&emailtype2=substring&field-1-0-0=target_milestone&field-1-1-0=bug_status&field0-0-0=noop&keywords |
| 00:28.47 | GeneralAntilles | That's a decent list of bugs fixed in Diablo. |
| 00:29.03 | Mousey | woah. ty |
| 00:29.30 | megosdog | Hi all. I'm playing with an N810 with the 2008SE 2.2007.51-3 bios in it and I noticed an option in the installable files that allows for USB networking. I installed it and can see an option of "USB" in the networking options, but I can't get it to connect to anything. Any ideas? |
| 00:29.43 | GeneralAntilles | XP? |
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| 00:30.02 | megosdog | Also, I tried this: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/usbnetworking/ and it didn't work. At least not on the N810. It keeps telling me "file not found" when I try to start or stop it. |
| 00:31.46 | Xamusk | I have seen somewhere that Diablo had a new sleep scheme, but I'm not finding that page again. Is there really something differente? |
| 00:32.02 | GeneralAntilles | For the CPU, you mean? |
| 00:32.06 | Xamusk | yes |
| 00:32.11 | GeneralAntilles | OS2008 had a new scheme |
| 00:32.17 | GeneralAntilles | Don't think there were any big changes for Diablo, though. |
| 00:32.21 | Xamusk | :( |
| 00:32.33 | Xamusk | I'd really like a more palm-like sleep |
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| 00:33.01 | GeneralAntilles | You can get 14 days on idle. |
| 00:33.19 | GeneralAntilles | There's a lot more stuff in our devices than in a Palm, though. |
| 00:33.32 | Xamusk | just today I picked my N800 up to read a book while I was waiting but it was powered off because of low battery |
| 00:33.40 | Xamusk | GeneralAntilles, indeed |
| 00:33.55 | GeneralAntilles | Charge it overnight |
| 00:34.06 | Xamusk | but I could leave my palm off for several days when not in use |
| 00:34.53 | Xamusk | I like PDAs to read books too, but I was very busy in the last days |
| 00:34.59 | GeneralAntilles | You should be able to do that with your N800, too. |
| 00:35.04 | sjgadsby | Did your Palm have WiFi active? Did your tablet? |
| 00:35.04 | derf | Someone did do a software suspend script. |
| 00:35.10 | GeneralAntilles | If it's not idling for several days disconnected and idle, then something's wrong. |
| 00:35.29 | megosdog | GeneralAntilles: I know one big issue in Diablo. It made me flash back to an older version because it became too much of a problem. When you connect to a wireless point with the N810, your interface locks up until it disconnects. You can still here the "click click" when you touch the screen, but nothing happens. It's a bug that seems to occur half the time, so I can't nail it down to any one thing. |
| 00:35.40 | derf | But you can only suspend the device for a little over a minute at a time, because of the watchdog timer. |
| 00:35.53 | GeneralAntilles | megosdog, not heard of anybody else experiencing that. |
| 00:36.02 | GeneralAntilles | You can always turn off the watchdog |
| 00:36.22 | megosdog | GeneralAntilles: Yeah, it was a pesky little bug and darned if I could figure out what caused it. |
| 00:36.23 | derf | No, the other one. |
| 00:36.28 | derf | There's one you can't turn off. |
| 00:36.44 | derf | It's a hardware dead-man's switch. |
| 00:36.49 | derf | You have to frob it every 64 seconds. |
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| 00:37.34 | megosdog | Anywho, back to my usb issue. Anyone know how to use the usb networking package so I can use my usb connection to get online? I don't have a reliable WAP around here and it's annoying. |
| 00:37.45 | megosdog | Hence the need for the WAP. |
| 00:37.48 | megosdog | Er, usb networking. |
| 00:37.55 | derf | (the script just suspended for 60 seconds at a time, resumed, frobbed the watchdog, and suspended again) |
| 00:38.12 | Xamusk | derf, that seems awful |
| 00:38.25 | Xamusk | it may even use more power than idling |
| 00:38.56 | derf | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2007-March/008915.html |
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| 00:39.43 | Xamusk | hey, I almost got a friend of mine to think that the N800 is a very good gadget, but the spell was broken when he found out the N800 isn't a cellphone |
| 00:39.53 | GeneralAntilles | and thank god for that |
| 00:40.08 | derf | Yeah, I hate cell phones. |
| 00:40.18 | NullM0dem | megosdog: i noticed it takes me about 5 minutes to get a dhcp lease from wifi |
| 00:41.07 | NullM0dem | I have never owned a cellphone. |
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| 00:42.42 | Xamusk | well, data plans are too expensive for me |
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| 00:43.12 | Xamusk | and I bought my N800 because of screen real-estate and resolution to read books |
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| 00:43.18 | Xamusk | and because it runs python, of course |
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| 00:44.55 | megosdog | NullM0dem: I get one right away. Did on the Diablo bios too, but I figure something else was at fault for the lockups. Of course if it was a hard lock, that'd be one thing. But this was a semi-soft lock. |
| 00:45.40 | GeneralAntilles | It's not a "bios" |
| 00:45.50 | Xamusk | derf, about the last lines of that page, suspend would be an option if one considers that if a user wants to suspend, then the system should be automatically set to offline mode, so no radios would be on |
| 00:46.04 | megosdog | Well, true. But because it's "flashed" onto the device, that's kinda how I think about it. lol. |
| 00:46.45 | derf | Xamusk: Sure, but that's not the problem... |
| 00:47.03 | megosdog | Ok, anywho. I really need to get this usb networking working on my N810 so I'm not stuck in bad wifi hell all the time. |
| 00:47.09 | megosdog | Any ideas how to make this work? |
| 00:47.12 | sjgadsby | /whois GeneralAntilles |
| 00:47.18 | Xamusk | derf, yes, I noticed, but it's a point that should be considered in the next hardware revision |
| 00:47.22 | derf | Giving the user the ability to disable the retu watchdog means it can be disabled when the device _isn't_ suspended, when the radio is on. |
| 00:47.22 | sjgadsby | Grr. |
| 00:47.25 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 00:47.28 | GeneralAntilles | I see you! :P |
| 00:47.45 | sjgadsby | I can't see you though. |
| 00:47.53 | GeneralAntilles | is cloaked. |
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| 00:47.58 | sjgadsby | Ah. |
| 00:47.58 | derf | Yes, it would be nice to be able to disable it in hardware automatically when it's suspended, but I don't know if that's easy, or even possible. |
| 00:48.48 | Xamusk | derf, not if the system itself could check for radio operation when asked for suspension |
| 00:49.37 | sjgadsby | I'm seeing if the RTCOMM-IRC crash bug is fixed...and finding new bugs. |
| 00:50.39 | derf | Anyway, I don't think it'd be a difficult hack to just frob it from the kernel without resuming the whole OS, but I'm not that bored. |
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| 00:56.33 | Xamusk | derf, as for me, if I had the expertise I'd downclock the whole system to spare battery for reading :) |
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| 00:59.12 | derf | That's a simple matter of the appropriate echos in the sys filesystem. |
| 00:59.17 | derf | But it's also a really bad idea. |
| 00:59.47 | derf | Well, on an ARM it's probably only a moderately bad idea. |
| 01:00.25 | GeneralAntilles | Xamusk, how many days idle are you getting? |
| 01:00.34 | GeneralAntilles | You should be getting around 2 connect and around 8 disconnected. |
| 01:00.40 | GeneralAntilles | If you're not, then something else is wrong. |
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| 01:02.42 | Xamusk | GeneralAntilles, it says 9 days inactive, in offline mode, after a full charge, but I don't trust that battery app |
| 01:03.27 | GeneralAntilles | It's not relevant |
| 01:03.31 | GeneralAntilles | How many days are you ACTUALLY getting? |
| 01:04.18 | Xamusk | I have not made any tests to see real performance, because usually I use it one way or another, so it affects battery life |
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| 02:05.24 | m_mouser | Is it easily possible to install apps to a memory card (internal/external) on the 810? I'm running out of memory. :) |
| 02:06.35 | GeneralAntilles | Did you delete the 40MB of manuals in Documents? |
| 02:06.44 | GeneralAntilles | Installation applications to memory card is a bad route |
| 02:06.47 | GeneralAntilles | better to just boot from SD |
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| 02:07.26 | m_mouser | That's what I thought. Probably would take a migration of /usr and partitioning, etc. |
| 02:08.34 | m_mouser | Any disadvantage to booting from SD? |
| 02:09.22 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 02:09.34 | GeneralAntilles | Unless you've got stupid slow SD cards |
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| 02:13.26 | m_mouser | Well, I've got whatever the 810's internal card's speed is and a class 4 removable miniSD. I don't know if that's considered "slow" relative to the device. Is it? |
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| 02:14.27 | GeneralAntilles | I'd put it on the internal card |
| 02:14.29 | GeneralAntilles | Which will be fine. |
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| 02:16.44 | m_mouser | All right, thanks. Would this mess up my upgrade to Diablo? |
| 02:17.25 | GeneralAntilles | penguinbait has some nice scripts available |
| 02:17.35 | GeneralAntilles | It'll just tar over your current Diablo install to the card |
| 02:18.30 | summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: competely OT, d'you have suggestions on killing a seemingly unkillable pppd process in OS X? |
| 02:19.00 | GeneralAntilles | sudo kill -9 <PID> ? |
| 02:19.34 | GeneralAntilles | Does it die when you kill it and then come back? |
| 02:19.37 | GeneralAntilles | Or will it just not die? |
| 02:19.45 | summatusmentis | Doesn't seem to die |
| 02:19.45 | GeneralAntilles | i.e. is it a launchd thing? |
| 02:20.08 | summatusmentis | might be a launchd thing, I'm not sure how pppd works |
| 02:20.28 | GeneralAntilles | Is this after tethering to your phone? |
| 02:22.32 | summatusmentis | after attempting to |
| 02:22.37 | summatusmentis | it never worked |
| 02:22.48 | GeneralAntilles | :((( |
| 02:22.59 | GeneralAntilles | Tether in OS X is ALMOST good enough |
| 02:23.11 | GeneralAntilles | Maemo has the most fantastic tethering setup of any platform I've ever tried. |
| 02:23.27 | GeneralAntilles | You still have to look up way too much shit and guess at stuff with OS X. :\ |
| 02:24.12 | summatusmentis | Maemo's worked well |
| 02:24.24 | summatusmentis | OS X should work, except for this stupid thing |
| 02:24.31 | summatusmentis | I suppose if it comes down to it, i can just reboot |
| 02:24.40 | GeneralAntilles | Not a bad plan. ;) |
| 02:24.53 | GeneralAntilles | One way to tell if it's launchd is to kill it |
| 02:25.02 | GeneralAntilles | then kill it a second time immediately after |
| 02:25.16 | GeneralAntilles | launchd takes 10 seconds after a relaunch to launch again |
| 02:26.12 | summatusmentis | jts$ sudo kill -9 3370; sudo kill -9 3370 didn't do anything |
| 02:26.41 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno |
| 02:26.43 | GeneralAntilles | Restart away! |
| 02:27.24 | summatusmentis | but... I'm doing stuff! |
| 02:27.35 | summatusmentis | :) I'll do it in a while, thanks for trying |
| 02:27.58 | GeneralAntilles | Pfft. :P |
| 02:34.24 | summatusmentis | alright, bbiab |
| 02:43.18 | summatusmentis | well, rebooting fixed it :-P |
| 02:43.24 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 02:43.35 | GeneralAntilles | Reboot, the forgotten troubleshooting step |
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| 02:51.03 | tank-man | rebooting is the first step in fixing windows problems |
| 02:58.14 | summatusmentis | uh oh... I used 3MB of cell data today >_> |
| 02:58.18 | summatusmentis | that's not a good habit |
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| 02:59.37 | m_mouser | Whoops! |
| 02:59.52 | johnx | summatusmentis, I disovered that loading engadget is like 1MB right there |
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| 03:03.16 | summatusmentis | m_mouser: I've got unlimited data, but tethering at 3MB every day is gonna start showing up to them... |
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| 03:05.53 | m_mouser | Tethering packages are expensive, when they're even offered, summatusmentis |
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| 03:06.32 | summatusmentis | not a tethering package... USDModem on my centro >_> |
| 03:08.38 | rm_you | johnx: yo |
| 03:08.43 | johnx | hey |
| 03:08.47 | johnx | about to head to work |
| 03:08.48 | rm_you | just woke up :) |
| 03:08.52 | johnx | me too |
| 03:08.56 | rm_you | lol |
| 03:09.05 | johnx | congrats, you're on something that resembles JST |
| 03:09.21 | summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: I got Macbook tethering working too! :) |
| 03:12.27 | GeneralAntilles | Woo |
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| 04:13.48 | rm_you | I need a good bluetooth headset. recommendations? |
| 04:14.17 | GeneralAntilles | Plantronics |
| 04:14.23 | GeneralAntilles | I like the Voyager 510 |
| 04:15.56 | rm_you | does it work in either ear? |
| 04:16.05 | rm_you | looking at a picture, not sure how reversible it looks |
| 04:16.46 | GeneralAntilles | It's 100% reversible |
| 04:17.21 | GeneralAntilles | The boom spins and rotates |
| 04:17.34 | rm_you | ok |
| 04:19.38 | rm_you | any other people have suggestions? |
| 04:19.44 | rm_you | i want to at least pretend to consider multiple options |
| 04:20.16 | rm_you | does it charge via bluetooth? |
| 04:20.27 | GeneralAntilles | Pick another Plantronics model. |
| 04:20.32 | GeneralAntilles | It's the only brand worth going with. ;) |
| 04:21.35 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=40000565&Description=plantronics&bop=And&Order=REVIEWS |
| 04:22.31 | Proteous | charge via,bluetooth, that would be a trick |
| 04:22.47 | rm_you | err |
| 04:22.48 | rm_you | gah |
| 04:22.50 | rm_you | i meant |
| 04:22.52 | rm_you | charge via usb |
| 04:23.02 | Proteous | heh |
| 04:23.04 | GeneralAntilles | No, custom charger. |
| 04:23.06 | rm_you | bluetooth on the brain :P |
| 04:23.10 | GeneralAntilles | I haven't seen any USB ones. |
| 04:23.20 | rm_you | is compiling bluez-utils and shopping for a bluetooth headset |
| 04:23.30 | Proteous | I now demand charge via bluetooth!!! |
| 04:23.57 | keesj | bugger, can't I install sbox on amd64 |
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| 06:21.56 | rm_you | damn, the bluez-utils 3.30 i compiled doesn't work :( |
| 06:21.57 | rm_you | sad |
| 06:22.14 | qwerty12 | how doesn't it work? |
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| 06:24.29 | qwerty12 | (I ask because I compiled .32 fine for diablo. Worked for a while, then I started getting hcid crashes :/) |
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| 06:32.35 | rm_you | where did you get .32? |
| 06:32.40 | rm_you | i grabbed .30 from debian sid |
| 06:32.50 | rm_you | you go straight to bluez people? |
| 06:33.35 | qwerty12 | You know nokia do customisations to bluez right? |
| 06:33.36 | qwerty12 | https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/connectivity/ |
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| 06:37.07 | rm_you | :/ |
| 06:37.12 | rm_you | was unaware |
| 06:37.22 | rm_you | just grabbed their patches from 3.28 |
| 06:37.37 | rm_you | and manually applied the ones that didn't automatically work |
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| 06:43.29 | qwerty12 | Heh, I'm manually converting a patch atm :) |
| 06:43.57 | rm_you | for bluez? |
| 06:44.07 | qwerty12 | Nope, for load-applet |
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| 07:31.11 | RST38h | qwerty,rm_you: MOO |
| 07:31.21 | qwerty12 | BAA |
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| 07:48.51 | Jaffa | RST38h: quack |
| 07:49.03 | RST38h | whack! |
| 07:49.06 | qwerty12 | smack! |
| 07:49.37 | Jaffa | lying in bed trying to shake a migraine |
| 07:50.27 | Jaffa | X-Fade: ping - uploaded a package to diablo builder last night, but not got a response nearly 12 hours later |
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| 08:03.43 | RST38h | Hehe, the tablet is warm to the touch |
| 08:03.52 | RST38h | And when I bring up the process list, what do I see? |
| 08:04.01 | RST38h | Any good guesses? ;) |
| 08:04.37 | GeneralAntilles | yer mom? |
| 08:04.48 | RST38h | No, really good guesses |
| 08:05.28 | qwerty12 | metalayer? |
| 08:05.32 | qwerty12 | hildon? |
| 08:05.36 | qwerty12 | maemo-launcher? |
| 08:05.41 | RST38h | no, no |
| 08:05.46 | qwerty12 | wget -r www.freeporn.com? |
| 08:05.47 | RST38h | Modest, what else! |
| 08:05.53 | qwerty12 | OH, MODEST! |
| 08:05.56 | RST38h | Eating 319% CPU (according to load applet) |
| 08:06.12 | GeneralAntilles | "Nokia is using your tablet to run the odds on horse racing" |
| 08:06.26 | RST38h | Looks like it will be easier just to turn it off. |
| 08:07.41 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody with a more inspired web design in them than me want to put together a message box for the wiki? |
| 08:08.04 | GeneralAntilles | s/design/designer/ |
| 08:08.41 | RST38h | does not let web designers into himself |
| 08:09.25 | GeneralAntilles | Currently we've got this ugly yellow box: https://wiki.maemo.org/Template:100Days_agenda |
| 08:09.53 | RST38h | Ok, a moment |
| 08:10.08 | GeneralAntilles | Hopefully something than can be easily color-coded |
| 08:10.15 | GeneralAntilles | and can have an icon swapped into it |
| 08:11.11 | RST38h | <TABLE><TR><TD VALIGN=TOP><IMG SRC="icon"></TD><TD WIDTH="100%" VALIGN=TOP>Text</TD></TR></TABLE> |
| 08:11.32 | RST38h | You can tweak it any way you like |
| 08:11.42 | GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Template_messages/Maintenance#Articles_requiring_significant_attention_and_other_issues |
| 08:11.51 | GeneralAntilles | I need design, not implementation. :P |
| 08:12.20 | RST38h | it's a message box |
| 08:12.33 | RST38h | it will have an icon on the left and text on the right |
| 08:12.38 | GeneralAntilles | s'got no color! |
| 08:13.13 | qwerty12 | I always think color is a spelling mistake :/ |
| 08:13.41 | GeneralAntilles | You guys don't know how to spell. |
| 08:13.45 | GeneralAntilles | :P |
| 08:14.15 | qwerty12 | I dunno, I kinda think American *English* is an contradiction :P |
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| 08:17.01 | qwerty12 | Btw, timeless, thanks for your mirror of the diablo update repo, now I can get my nitro back. |
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| 08:30.01 | qwerty12 | So, has anyone built microb-svn for diablo? |
| 08:30.23 | GeneralAntilles | Not as far as I know. |
| 08:30.30 | GeneralAntilles | I keep prodding Navi to do it, but he's lazy. |
| 08:32.02 | qwerty12 | Lol, I'll go for it later if someone else doesn't do it. There was an update yesterday but it will take a while for nokia (if ever) to release it by ssu :/ |
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| 08:39.54 | Jaffa | I'll be very pleasantly surprised if Nokia release in-life updates. I suspect they'll release a big upgrade in one go, and just use SSU to prevent reflashing |
| 08:40.28 | GeneralAntilles | That's my worry, too. |
| 08:41.14 | qwerty12 | I wouldn't like that. If nokia fixed bugs, I'd like to see the package with the bug in it updated, I wouldn't want to have to wait for the next upgrade. |
| 08:41.59 | Jaffa | Of course, that's what *we'd* like. But it's easier to test the interoperation if they use their existing release testing process, rather than having to test upgrades for people will half of the new system already |
| 08:43.09 | GeneralAntilles | What category should the official Nokia pages be in? |
| 08:43.36 | GeneralAntilles | Offical? Nokia? Official Nokia? |
| 08:45.51 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia it is. |
| 08:47.00 | Jaffa | Nokia. |
| 08:47.19 | doc|home | you forgot nokia official |
| 08:47.27 | GeneralAntilles | Too late. |
| 08:47.28 | GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Template:Official |
| 08:47.38 | doc|home | watches his n800 collapse |
| 08:47.57 | GeneralAntilles | Now just need qgil to get back to me with the logo. |
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| 08:58.24 | Jaffa | Oh, FFS. Abiword on Ubuntu just crashed - taking my unsaved document with it - when I tried "Format > Font..." |
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| 09:19.45 | X-Fade | Morning. |
| 09:19.51 | qwerty12 | Morning |
| 09:20.46 | Jaffa | lo X-Fade |
| 09:20.59 | wazd | hello all) |
| 09:21.05 | Jaffa | X-Fade: uploaded vim package to diablo builder last night, but not got a response nearly 12 hours later |
| 09:21.29 | X-Fade | Jaffa: How did you upload it? |
| 09:21.39 | Jaffa | dput |
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| 09:21.51 | X-Fade | Ah, that thing ;) |
| 09:21.56 | wazd | I just wanted to announce some good and not so exciting news :) |
| 09:22.25 | Jaffa | wazd: ? |
| 09:22.41 | qwerty12 | New OMWeather actually coming out soon? |
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| 09:22.54 | wazd | We've decided to pull out Diablo fix for OMWeather as soon as possible (in one or two days) but 0.21 version will come a bit later :) |
| 09:23.13 | qwerty12 | Oh, ok, cool :) |
| 09:23.18 | X-Fade | Jaffa: I only see a .changes file in the incoming-builder dir :) |
| 09:23.50 | wazd | this was caused by so many feature implementations, that need to be cleaned up for seamless UX :) |
| 09:24.01 | Jaffa | X-Fade: eh? how's that possible. |
| 09:24.39 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Well, 2 options. 1 it got processed. (We leave the .changes) or 2. only the .changes got uploaded. |
| 09:25.01 | X-Fade | But if it gets processed, it normally should mail you and the list. |
| 09:25.11 | Jaffa | X-Fade: 2008-06-27 21:18 vim_7.0_source.upload, contents: |
| 09:25.20 | Jaffa | Successfully uploaded vim_7.0.dsc to garage.maemo.org. |
| 09:25.20 | Jaffa | Successfully uploaded vim_7.0.tar.gz to garage.maemo.org. |
| 09:25.20 | Jaffa | Successfully uploaded vim_7.0_source.changes to garage.maemo.org. |
| 09:25.32 | wazd | Sorry for a little delay :) BTW, http://omweather.garage.maemo.org ;) |
| 09:25.43 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Yeah, so option 2 most likely ;) |
| 09:25.51 | X-Fade | ehm 1 ;l) |
| 09:25.58 | Jaffa | checks the list |
| 09:25.59 | qwerty12 | wazd, Nice |
| 09:26.10 | X-Fade | Jaffa: No vim there. Weird.. |
| 09:26.22 | Jaffa | X-Fade: I'll reupload. |
| 09:26.47 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Ok, I'll try to find out if there is a log which tells me what happens. |
| 09:27.01 | qwerty12 | wazd, So, what is this Other Soon thing I see ;) |
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| 09:27.56 | Jaffa | X-Fade: ah, which is the file which triggers the build, .dsc or .changes? Since the vim source is a couple of meg it takes around 45 seconds to upload; what'd happen if the auto-builder ran during that time? |
| 09:28.31 | wazd | well, a little splash about how new homepage will look like :) We've done a lot of work in here, really :) |
| 09:28.39 | Jaffa | has two suggestions: 1) it seems very susceptible to race conditions; 2) have a couple of jobs building things simulatenously to shorten queue waits; 3) have a status page with number of items in queue(s) etc. |
| 09:28.48 | Jaffa | X-Fade: right, all re-uploaded |
| 09:28.52 | Jaffa | goes to have a shower |
| 09:28.52 | X-Fade | Jaffa: .dsc, but we have at least a 5 minute wait after finding the .dsc when it fails. |
| 09:29.03 | X-Fade | Before rejecting the package. |
| 09:29.12 | X-Fade | And it is not in reject. |
| 09:29.15 | Jaffa | X-Fade: hmm, OK. |
| 09:29.29 | wazd | goes to the classmates meeting :) Aw hell... |
| 09:29.47 | X-Fade | Jaffa: But now I see your 3 files in the incoming-builder dir. |
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| 09:47.10 | X-Fade | Hmm it seems the indt guys have uploaded everything python related to diablo. Nice. |
| 09:47.21 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Your build is now running. |
| 09:48.01 | Jaffa | X-Fade: cool |
| 09:48.09 | Jaffa | mgedmin should be pleased to have a vim. |
| 09:49.20 | GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Template:Official |
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| 09:50.39 | zap | okay, g_ether backported from 2.6.25 still does not work with Windows |
| 09:50.48 | zap | which is sad news |
| 09:52.01 | zap | hmm, I could forthport the driver from ITOS2007 |
| 09:57.17 | Jaffa | X-Fade: I'm going to start a design document for mud shortly, I think I've got a clear workflow in my head for its operation with the auto-builder. |
| 09:57.50 | X-Fade | hehe vim - <up to 60 chars here> :) |
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| 09:58.17 | qwerty12 | Naughty, naughty, someone didn't fill out description :p |
| 09:58.34 | qwerty12 | Then again, the bzip2 package doesn't have it and that was packaged by a nokia guy :p |
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| 10:08.14 | qwerty12 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MicroB#Some_MicroB_Plugins - updated with wmlbrowser plugin |
| 10:09.58 | zap | Angstrom with kernel 2.6.23 works fine with WinXP |
| 10:10.07 | zap | so it's a bug in musb |
| 10:11.43 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody remember the maemowiki group for Nokia employees? |
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| 10:13.11 | GeneralAntilles | nokiaeditors |
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| 10:39.14 | Stskeeps | zap: checked if it's the correct module (the backported one) you load? i'm interested if you get the RNDIS thing fixed :P |
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| 10:49.31 | Jaffa | Hmm, there's supposed to be a description. Could be a mud bug |
| 10:49.40 | qwerty12 | Meh, I can see why Navi doesn't want to build microb-engine. The shit's full of dodgy patches that don't apply. |
| 10:50.27 | Jaffa | *definitely* a mud bug: the section's not been set either |
| 10:50.36 | Jaffa | X-Fade: still not got an email, though |
| 10:50.44 | crashanddie | hey guys :) |
| 10:50.55 | qwerty12 | Hi |
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| 11:04.54 | GeneralAntilles | OK, this is pretty cool so far: https://wiki.maemo.org/Template:Task |
| 11:05.29 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody want to find me a matched set of "proposed", "accepted", "ongoing", and "completed" images for it? |
| 11:05.44 | GeneralAntilles | Think something like this for completed: http://static.wikipedia.org/new/wikipedia/en/articles/t/i/c/Image~Tick_green_modern.svg_1286.html |
| 11:05.45 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: maybe launchpad has some? |
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| 11:09.32 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: if its on Wikipedia, it should be public domain (or CC, but prolly PD for a base image) |
| 11:09.36 | rm_you | can't we just USE that? |
| 11:09.50 | GeneralAntilles | We can, but I need a complete matched set. |
| 11:09.52 | GeneralAntilles | That's just one. :P |
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| 12:02.10 | rm_you | damn, i caved and went to the store :( |
| 12:02.23 | rm_you | all it took was 2 days of nothing but water and cheese |
| 12:03.20 | GAN800 | . . . |
| 12:03.33 | GAN800 | That's what delivery is for. |
| 12:04.13 | gourdin | hi |
| 12:04.13 | Jaffa | X-Fade: just got the two failure messages. |
| 12:04.38 | gourdin | why the update manager have to have the n801 connected in order to download the update ? |
| 12:04.45 | Jaffa | GAN800: nice templates |
| 12:04.58 | sp3000 | GeneralAntilles: cheat and pick colors and random unicode chars? :) |
| 12:05.01 | Jaffa | goes to bed for a couple of hours to try and shake this migraine |
| 12:05.24 | gourdin | the update manager seems to be like the rest of this thing |
| 12:05.28 | gourdin | "not finished" |
| 12:05.29 | GAN800 | Thank wikipedia. Wish I had something a little more original. |
| 12:06.31 | GAN800 | I need to poke at them some more to get the right image better aligned with the right edge. |
| 12:07.00 | GAN800 | gourdin, yeah, that's kinda the point. |
| 12:07.22 | gourdin | GAN800: ? |
| 12:07.43 | GAN800 | If you want the completely consumer-ready product, wait for step 5. |
| 12:07.53 | gourdin | step 5 ? |
| 12:08.00 | aquatix | erm, if you want to download something, you want to be connected right? |
| 12:08.09 | GAN800 | Besides, what's the problem with having the device plugged in? |
| 12:08.16 | aquatix | or are you talking about flashing over usb |
| 12:08.26 | aquatix | that's ancient history as of diablo :) |
| 12:08.36 | GAN800 | Windows, aquatix. |
| 12:08.47 | gourdin | GAN800: what's step 5 |
| 12:09.16 | GAN800 | gourdin, the consumer-ready tablet. We're on step 3 |
| 12:09.21 | gourdin | ??? |
| 12:09.36 | gourdin | who is 'We' |
| 12:10.04 | gourdin | GAN800: you know that I gave money for this ? |
| 12:10.09 | GAN800 | Nevermind. It's not important. Procede with your bitching. |
| 12:10.15 | gourdin | bitching ? |
| 12:10.18 | lcuk | we are legion |
| 12:10.22 | gourdin | what bitchin ? |
| 12:10.27 | aquatix | we are the borg |
| 12:10.35 | aquatix | i think we have a language problem here :) |
| 12:10.38 | crashanddie | Resistance is futile |
| 12:10.41 | gourdin | =) |
| 12:10.51 | lcuk | :D heh, shopping time |
| 12:10.58 | aquatix | lcuk: hf |
| 12:11.01 | rm_you | gourdin: just realize you are not talking to Nokia employees for the most part, we are just other people who use and love our n800/n810s |
| 12:11.20 | crashanddie | Your life as it has been is over. |
| 12:11.30 | crashanddie | From this time forward, you will service: us. |
| 12:11.31 | aquatix | has been assimilated |
| 12:11.36 | gourdin | rm_you: I realize that |
| 12:11.52 | crashanddie | Lower your shields and surrender your ships. |
| 12:11.55 | aquatix | is one with the system |
| 12:11.56 | gourdin | rm_you: "open source" |
| 12:12.05 | gourdin | "free to modify your shit" |
| 12:12.08 | gourdin | :( |
| 12:12.13 | crashanddie | We will add your biological and technological distinctivenesses to our own. |
| 12:12.21 | rm_you | gourdin: just letting you know, as my first impression of you is "hostile", which doesn't make me want to devote a whole lot of effort to helping oyu |
| 12:12.24 | crashanddie | Your culture will adapt to service: us. |
| 12:12.27 | rm_you | though that may be a language issue... |
| 12:12.48 | gourdin | rm_you: :) |
| 12:12.51 | gourdin | I'm not hostile |
| 12:12.54 | crashanddie | me ? Likey star trek ? Nooooo |
| 12:13.08 | gourdin | I'm disappointed |
| 12:13.24 | gourdin | I buy this thing 400$+ |
| 12:13.34 | gourdin | and it really don't work very well |
| 12:13.42 | rm_you | what about it doesn't work for you? |
| 12:13.44 | crashanddie | lcuk, say, there hasn't been any new torchwood has there ? I had up to end series 2, I can't seem to find anything new, miright ? |
| 12:13.55 | rm_you | crashanddie: you like torchwood? >_> |
| 12:14.05 | crashanddie | sure |
| 12:14.13 | rm_you | crashanddie: I tried my hardest, but jack turned into... not jack.... and the show was completely different |
| 12:14.14 | crashanddie | I love it |
| 12:14.15 | aquatix | has to watch some more Doctor Who first :( |
| 12:14.21 | gourdin | rm_you: browser crash a lot |
| 12:14.23 | aquatix | otherwise i know too much |
| 12:14.27 | rm_you | it seemed kinda lame :( |
| 12:14.29 | gourdin | flash is unsusable |
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| 12:14.35 | aquatix | torchwood seems rather cool |
| 12:14.40 | rm_you | gourdin: how is the flash unusable? |
| 12:14.52 | gourdin | rm_you: _slow_ |
| 12:14.57 | rm_you | gourdin: there are some things you can do to help with the browser issue... |
| 12:15.00 | aquatix | the browser on my n810 hasn't crashed, ever |
| 12:15.08 | gourdin | aquatix: lier :) |
| 12:15.15 | rm_you | gourdin: you have an n810? |
| 12:15.19 | gourdin | rm_you: yep |
| 12:15.22 | aquatix | plonks gourdin |
| 12:15.28 | crashanddie | rm_you, I guess this is quite a personal opinion in the end, but the show appeals to me. I like the characters, I love the character development, I love the atmosphere, I love the hints to Dr Who |
| 12:15.42 | aquatix | but it helps that i disabled flash etc by default i guess |
| 12:15.50 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: I remember fanoush's kernel has MMC speed improvements, did those make their way upstream to the mainline kernel yet? |
| 12:16.13 | rm_you | crashanddie: maybe I just haven't seen enough :/ |
| 12:16.17 | GAN800 | rm_you, they aren't approved by TI |
| 12:16.23 | rm_you | GAN800: so, no |
| 12:16.39 | GAN800 | Can lead to instability aand data loss on some units. |
| 12:16.44 | rm_you | hrm |
| 12:16.47 | crashanddie | rm_you, series two is definitely worth watching. Series two really goes very deep into certain characters. Even though I'll admit, series 1 can be a bit frustrating. |
| 12:16.50 | gourdin | I think selling a thing like this and saying that the "community will take care of the soft" is a dead end |
| 12:16.52 | rm_you | would you recommend he try it? |
| 12:17.09 | crashanddie | gourdin, why is that ? |
| 12:17.15 | rm_you | gourdin: well, that's one of the main reasons *I* bough tit |
| 12:17.15 | crashanddie | gourdin, we've had tons of awesome software |
| 12:17.24 | rm_you | s/bough tit/bought it/ |
| 12:17.26 | gourdin | =)) |
| 12:17.32 | aquatix | bought it for community software too |
| 12:17.33 | gourdin | crashanddie: for "free' |
| 12:17.44 | gourdin | I can't bitch if the soft isn't ready |
| 12:17.50 | gourdin | because "you' do it for free |
| 12:17.56 | crashanddie | because you can when it's not ? |
| 12:18.00 | gourdin | yes |
| 12:18.04 | crashanddie | ok... |
| 12:18.05 | aquatix | myeah, but i think the software shipped on the tablet already is quite good |
| 12:18.15 | crashanddie | when's the last time you called up Microsoft to yell at them to say their OS blows ? |
| 12:18.18 | aquatix | especially with diablo now |
| 12:18.25 | rm_you | yeah, the base software really is quite stable and usable... |
| 12:18.31 | gourdin | crashanddie: microsoft os don't blows, that's a troll :) |
| 12:18.32 | rm_you | it just depends how much more you want to get out of it |
| 12:18.33 | GAN800 | thinks gourdin's internal flash is probably corrupt. |
| 12:18.40 | crashanddie | gourdin, ok, bad example |
| 12:18.53 | gourdin | crashanddie: and you work isn't free |
| 12:18.53 | crashanddie | gourdin, when is the last time you called up motorola because their bluetooth implementation blows ? |
| 12:18.54 | gourdin | I'm a dev |
| 12:18.56 | gourdin | please |
| 12:18.57 | rm_you | crashanddie: i did that about a month ago actually |
| 12:19.09 | gourdin | let me work for money |
| 12:19.11 | gourdin | =) |
| 12:19.20 | crashanddie | gourdin, I'm a dev, too, what the hell is that for a troll argument |
| 12:19.24 | rm_you | crashanddie: called Microsoft to yell at them... not the bluetooth thing :P |
| 12:19.35 | crashanddie | rm_you, yeah, that's one of my hobbies too, actually |
| 12:19.36 | crashanddie | :D |
| 12:19.37 | rm_you | I like my motorola's bluetooth <_< |
| 12:19.57 | aquatix | hasn't had a motorola phone since the one he bought in 1998 |
| 12:19.58 | rm_you | rather, just never had problems with it |
| 12:20.12 | rm_you | loves his V360 |
| 12:20.22 | crashanddie | gourdin, I work and dev for money, I just like the idea of being able to create stuff that people will be able to enjoy |
| 12:20.24 | aquatix | loves his sony ericsson m600i |
| 12:20.29 | aquatix | nice companion to my n810 |
| 12:20.37 | crashanddie | gourdin, if you don't like the concept of Open Source, why the hell did you buy the NIT in the first place ? |
| 12:21.00 | gourdin | crashanddie: I don't say I don't like the consept, I'm trying to understand it |
| 12:21.01 | crashanddie | It's not like a simple google search wouldn't have enlightened you on the fact that basically *all* the software is community driven |
| 12:21.13 | crashanddie | gourdin, it's about choice, really |
| 12:21.16 | rm_you | gourdin: again, it seems like you just want to bitch, not understand <_< |
| 12:21.20 | rm_you | and I'm trying to help you |
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| 12:21.30 | gourdin | rm_you: how ? |
| 12:21.55 | gourdin | rm_you: I'm not bitching |
| 12:22.01 | gourdin | I'm in a crysis |
| 12:22.10 | gourdin | =) |
| 12:22.19 | crashanddie | gourdin, trust me, I make a living out of sw development. And I think a few of us here do, too. We just enjoy challenging ourselves into creating *good* software, that is adapted to a certain piece of hardware/architecture. It is a challenge to create light, but yet usable, and suitable software. |
| 12:22.19 | gourdin | I'm using linux for 10 years now |
| 12:22.26 | rm_you | gourdin: well, if you are a dev, and you're comfortable installing a new kernel, you can install fanoush's kernel which has improvements to MMC read/write speed |
| 12:22.47 | rm_you | I can dig up a link somewhere |
| 12:23.10 | rm_you | gourdin: also, open Control Panel -> Memory, and see if you have Swap enabled |
| 12:23.24 | rm_you | that can help with the browser crashing (which usually happens when it runs out of memory) |
| 12:23.36 | crashanddie | gourdin, the NIT basically is like our secret garden. We are allowed to do whatever we please, as long as it pleases us. If other people don't like it, who cares, we did it for ourselves. If people like it, and pick it up, so much the better, we did something good. |
| 12:24.42 | gourdin | crashanddie: ok, that's nice but you are selling the thing |
| 12:24.54 | crashanddie | I'm not selling anything |
| 12:25.01 | gourdin | ok, nokia sell it |
| 12:25.05 | gourdin | you dev for free |
| 12:25.11 | rm_you | gourdin: alternatively, you could try a different browser, for instance Midori (which uses GTK/Webkit IIRC), or fennec / minefield, which is a mozilla port |
| 12:25.11 | crashanddie | yeah, so ? |
| 12:25.24 | rm_you | gourdin: we don't get commission or anything... |
| 12:25.29 | crashanddie | gourdin, how is that different from buying a Dell computer pre-installed with Linux/Ubuntu ? |
| 12:26.03 | gourdin | don't know |
| 12:27.03 | crashanddie | gourdin, so you'd rather get a tablet with a proprietary OS on it, and buy proprietary software, so you can yell at the guy (who will or will not do anything about it), just for the sake of yelling ? |
| 12:27.03 | gourdin | I don't understand |
| 12:27.14 | gourdin | crashanddie: :)) |
| 12:27.17 | rm_you | gourdin: we're here to help you, and i'm going to say this one last time before I just give up: many (most) of your comments since coming here are simply derogatory, either at nokia or directly to us... I am here because I enjoy helping people, but you are making me not want to help you :( |
| 12:27.48 | rm_you | and you have yet to respond to any of the things I suggested you do to improve your experience |
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| 12:29.13 | gourdin | rm_you: thx for the advices, I'm going to try a different browser |
| 12:29.46 | gourdin | crashanddie: I think this is a bad place to have a discussion about the "open source concept" |
| 12:29.57 | gourdin | sorry if I bothered you |
| 12:29.57 | crashanddie | Why so ? |
| 12:30.05 | gourdin | and againg, thx for the feedback |
| 12:30.15 | rm_you | gourdin: don't worry, me and lcuk argue every day about that :P |
| 12:30.18 | rm_you | prods lcuk |
| 12:30.28 | aquatix | lcuk was shopping |
| 12:30.34 | gourdin | crashanddie: =) |
| 12:30.55 | crashanddie | rm_you, lcuk's case is a bit different, from what I gathered |
| 12:31.02 | gourdin | crashanddie: rm_you said 10 times that I'm rude |
| 12:31.15 | gourdin | I'm not rude, just questioning |
| 12:31.18 | gourdin | =) |
| 12:31.25 | macoute | how ready are the diablo extras-repositories? |
| 12:31.26 | rm_you | yeah, i gathered from him that he has other needs. |
| 12:31.29 | crashanddie | gourdin, I haven't spotted any rudeness, nor any misbehavior in your speech |
| 12:31.30 | macoute | arent they being populated? |
| 12:31.33 | aquatix | myeah, but the way you did so wasn't that friendly |
| 12:31.33 | rm_you | macoute: getting there, not yet |
| 12:31.41 | crashanddie | macoute, they're all up |
| 12:31.50 | crashanddie | oh, sorry, misread that |
| 12:31.53 | aquatix | wanders off for some lunch |
| 12:32.01 | gourdin | crashanddie: ho, thx :) |
| 12:32.12 | gourdin | (I'm going to try diablo out) |
| 12:32.19 | macoute | rm_you: ok, thanks |
| 12:32.19 | gourdin | ++ guys |
| 12:32.20 | aquatix | diablo is nice |
| 12:32.28 | aquatix | gourdin: have fun! |
| 12:32.32 | lcuk | wonders what other needs he has |
| 12:32.33 | gourdin | if not, be sure I'll be back !! :) |
| 12:32.34 | gourdin | =) |
| 12:32.38 | lcuk | im not quite shopping yet |
| 12:32.40 | rm_you | lcuk: the need to eat |
| 12:33.07 | lcuk | indeed |
| 12:33.07 | rm_you | lcuk: since apparently you actually want to make a living on that program somehow (which I still don |
| 12:33.09 | macoute | the urgent need to get s60 3rd edition to work with gammu |
| 12:33.10 | aquatix | need for speed |
| 12:33.11 | crashanddie | w00t at bittorrent, 1.3Mb/s |
| 12:33.12 | crashanddie | :D |
| 12:33.19 | rm_you | *don't quite see as realistic, but wish you the best of luck) :P |
| 12:33.52 | lcuk | no, rm, i want to be able to hack and code and do this kind of stuff all day long |
| 12:34.12 | lcuk | i enjoy making things work and hate wasting my daytime |
| 12:34.52 | lcuk | this program is only a tiny part of it :) |
| 12:35.31 | crashanddie | lcuk, I hear you |
| 12:36.04 | lcuk | crashanddie, i built a quick little class tree last night: compiled first time and has what i expected it to have |
| 12:36.17 | crashanddie | nice :) |
| 12:37.18 | lcuk | yer, just finding out what i have to do re inheritence and list tors |
| 12:37.28 | lcuk | itera* |
| 12:37.51 | crashanddie | class child : public father |
| 12:38.02 | crashanddie | using stl lists ? |
| 12:38.27 | lcuk | yer on both counts, but just feeling my way - never used templates |
| 12:38.33 | crashanddie | std::list<mytype>::iterator i |
| 12:38.59 | crashanddie | for (i = mylist.begin (); i != mylist.end (); i++); |
| 12:39.07 | lcuk | or within a class with a children list defined children::iterator |
| 12:40.33 | crashanddie | lcuk, didn't quite catch that |
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| 12:41.34 | rm_you | i may go to sleep early today |
| 12:41.46 | rm_you | woke up 8 hours ago <_< |
| 12:41.53 | lcuk | if you have already declared a variable as a typed list ie std::list<panel> mychildren; then the iterator can be created by using children::iterator i; instead of std::list<panel> i; |
| 12:42.19 | rm_you | sleeps |
| 12:42.26 | lcuk | gnite rm |
| 12:42.36 | crashanddie | lcuk, yeah, sure, but I prefer to be a little bit more verbose |
| 12:43.00 | crashanddie | lcuk, considering there's quite a few differences between how an iterator behaves, depending if its a <list>::iterator or <vector>/<map> |
| 12:43.31 | lcuk | :) i prefer to know im iterating round whatever type children was declared as: if i copy the block of code into another class with another children list i dont have to scan the code to check what type children holds |
| 12:43.57 | crashanddie | You do have a point |
| 12:44.41 | lcuk | though with multiple inheritence i shouldnt have to worry about that :) |
| 12:45.22 | lcuk | as i said, just playing |
| 12:45.44 | lcuk | i got rose by the way :) |
| 12:46.39 | crashanddie | heh |
| 12:48.38 | lcuk | anyway, we are ready now, off shopping |
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| 12:49.30 | crashanddie | lcuk, have fun |
| 12:49.40 | lcuk | :| |
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| 13:18.15 | macoute | mediaserv is not currently under any development, right? |
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| 13:22.37 | GAN800 | Currently? No. Currently I believe the developer is sleeping. :p |
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| 13:29.17 | macoute | GAN800: but there hasnt been any version updates since the end of last year |
| 13:29.26 | macoute | i couldnt find the stats for svn, though |
| 13:31.14 | gourdin | anyone using flashblocker here ? |
| 13:31.38 | gourdin | it doesn't seem to work here (using diablo) |
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| 13:42.55 | gourdin | hmmm |
| 13:43.01 | gourdin | diablo crashed |
| 13:43.12 | gourdin | brownser full screen => email alert |
| 13:43.17 | gourdin | freeze |
| 13:44.33 | gourdin | t'wasn't an email alert |
| 13:44.44 | gourdin | something blinked top left of the screen |
| 13:44.53 | gourdin | the top left blud led blinked |
| 13:45.10 | gourdin | wans't able to use the table, had to power down / up |
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| 13:49.27 | crashanddie | gourdin, never had that problem, any info on reproducing it ? |
| 13:50.12 | Cptnodegard | great. osso backup keeps crashing every time i try to take a backup |
| 13:50.14 | Cptnodegard | nice irony |
| 13:52.30 | crashanddie | Cptnodegard, make sure you have enough space on the device you're trying to back up to |
| 13:54.26 | Cptnodegard | crashanddie, i do. tried both SD cards, and a reboot. internal card has 6.3GB free, external has 8,47 free |
| 13:54.50 | crashanddie | hmm |
| 13:55.24 | crashanddie | Cptnodegard, try to be minimalistic when selecting the things you want to backup, then work your way to higher grounds (bigger selection) |
| 13:55.50 | Cptnodegard | i want to jump to diablo but two things bother me: installing all the shit again, and most importantly: seen people have trouble with "installation package missing". anyone know what thats about? |
| 13:57.38 | gourdin | crashanddie: nop, I can't reproduce it |
| 13:58.17 | crashanddie | Cptnodegard, didn't have any problem, and most (if not all) of your packages will be reinstalled if the backup is done correctly |
| 13:58.59 | Cptnodegard | does the backup save settings from third party apps? |
| 13:59.27 | crashanddie | Don't know/don't think so |
| 14:00.22 | Cptnodegard | osso backup crashes even if i choose only settings |
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| 14:25.06 | gourdin | hmm, guys, you just didn't put diablo out without any apps, do you ? |
| 14:25.31 | aquatix | we didn't do anything :) |
| 14:25.33 | gourdin | (I'm asking becaue I can't install ssh client, xournal ... ) |
| 14:25.55 | aquatix | that's because it looks for the diablo repository |
| 14:26.01 | gourdin | ho |
| 14:26.01 | aquatix | most chinook apps will still work |
| 14:26.05 | aquatix | sec... |
| 14:26.28 | aquatix | in application manager, go to catalogues |
| 14:26.35 | aquatix | edit maemo extras |
| 14:26.55 | gourdin | yep ? |
| 14:26.56 | aquatix | and add 'chinook diablo' to the Distribution field [without quotes of course] |
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| 14:27.17 | gourdin | ok, i'll try |
| 14:27.18 | gourdin | thx ! |
| 14:28.00 | aquatix | you're welcome |
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| 14:42.07 | NullM0dem | anyone try canola on diablo? |
| 14:43.32 | Jaffa | macoute: I'm not doing anything in mediaserv atm; got anything you'd like to see? |
| 14:46.16 | Jaffa | has some patches to merge and there're a couple of bugs - possibly in Perl's threading - and I'm not using it much at the moment. tablet-encode's had some upgrades which, of course, mediaserv benefits from as well (better quality, greater configurability) |
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| 14:48.21 | Jaffa | I did start playing with a rewrite to avoid the problems with Perl's threaidng, but it didn't get that far. |
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| 15:05.47 | Jaffa | X-Fade/GeneralAntilles: any idea why the wiki doesn't show footnotes at the bottom of the page like wikipedia? |
| 15:06.37 | Jaffa | e.g. http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jaffa/mud_design |
| 15:07.35 | oilinki | hi, would 7GB be enought for kubuntu root partition and all system stuff? |
| 15:10.20 | oilinki | oh. wrong channel again...sorry |
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| 15:52.21 | crashanddie | is this really too ugly: for (j = (i ? i : 0) * (SPECTRUM_BUFFER_SIZE / NUMBER_O_BANDS); j < SPECTRUM_BUFFER_SIZE; j++) ? |
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| 15:54.09 | pupnik_ | what are you working-on crashanddie |
| 15:54.20 | crashanddie | you'll see in a bit :) |
| 15:54.39 | mgedmin | waaaah my eyes my eyes |
| 15:54.46 | mgedmin | yes it is |
| 15:54.53 | lcuk | crash, yes thats uglier than an old man wearing a frilly dress and trying to chat you up |
| 15:55.30 | lcuk | hi pupnik_ :) nice to see you as always |
| 15:55.30 | qwerty12 | Does this happen a lot up North? |
| 15:55.34 | mgedmin | when is (i ? i :0) not equivalent to just i? |
| 15:55.44 | mgedmin | other than when i is a macro that expands to x++? |
| 15:56.02 | lcuk | (i) would equate to true if its not 0, |
| 15:56.27 | sp3000 | this is in the callback on_pigs_flying() |
| 15:56.31 | crashanddie | oh, hang on |
| 15:56.33 | crashanddie | that's a bug :D |
| 15:56.37 | lcuk | qwerty12, not usually, but after what i saw in manchester today im not sure |
| 15:56.51 | crashanddie | (i ? i : 1) |
| 15:56.54 | crashanddie | better |
| 15:57.01 | qwerty12 | lcuk, heh, sounds scary :/ |
| 15:57.36 | mgedmin | the ability for a bug to easily hide in that monstrosity of an expression should be a hint |
| 15:57.51 | mgedmin | lightly taps crashanddie with a cluebat |
| 15:57.56 | lcuk | im sure theres some cosplay convention on - i saw loads of anime at the trainstation |
| 15:59.01 | pupnik_ | hi lcuk, likewise |
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| 15:59.34 | lcuk | hey pupnik_ :) i released a binary of liqbase. to me the technology is proven. im happy with what i can make this do graphically |
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| 16:07.45 | bedboi | hi there. |
| 16:09.44 | lcuk | pupnik, there was a guy in a couple of days ago wanting to get involved with maemo |
| 16:10.01 | pupnik | o..k.. |
| 16:10.03 | lcuk | he wanted to try to get ngeo or something |
| 16:10.43 | lcuk | i pointed him over towards your site and he seemed happy |
| 16:11.21 | pupnik | good deal, what was the nickname?> |
| 16:12.00 | lcuk | just hunting now |
| 16:12.14 | tank-man | ipeefreely :) |
| 16:12.21 | qwerty12 | ipeefreely? |
| 16:13.03 | tank-man | maybe it was lance upercut or max power |
| 16:13.08 | qwerty12 | Heh |
| 16:15.25 | lcuk | Jun 25 23:00:27 <kkrusty>lcuk: Well for instance I would've wanted to work on gngeo but 1) I cant seem to get the source 2) Im not sure the project is active either. Asking here would've been better if for instance some person actually needs people for his projects (which happens a lot in OSS). But I'll follow your suggestion... |
| 16:16.08 | bedboi | is there any library for managing http downloads available in the maemo framework? |
| 16:16.53 | bedboi | (similar to curl) |
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| 16:29.13 | crashanddie | bedboi, isn't curl ported ? |
| 16:29.26 | bedboi | yep i guess. |
| 16:29.38 | bedboi | i was wondering if something is already developed in the framework |
| 16:29.43 | bedboi | just not to add a dependency |
| 16:30.34 | crashanddie | I hardly think cURL should be seen as a nasty dependency |
| 16:31.11 | Veggen | why do double work and develop "in the framework" ? |
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| 16:32.12 | Veggen | I prefer ITOS to be as vanilla as possible, and only develop custom stuff for infrastructure things where it actually makes sense :) |
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| 16:35.37 | lcuk | bedboi, "in the framework", you mean an interface into the browser, or pre-installed? |
| 16:35.55 | bedboi | nope, i mean in meamo libraries |
| 16:36.38 | lcuk | but the only thing that handles html is the browser isnt it? |
| 16:36.58 | lcuk | http^ |
| 16:37.36 | qwerty12 | I'd just use [lib]curl/wget |
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| 16:38.54 | lcuk | same here |
| 16:39.29 | jott | i suppose "in the framework" means, "easy to bind to progressbars", "consistent callbacks when finished", "easy to thread", etc... |
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| 16:47.20 | bedboi | yep that's it |
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| 17:14.35 | qwerty12 | Heh, I'm buliding microb-svn and I see it building libpr0n :p |
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| 17:16.56 | RST38bis | have you checked tthe xsourcee code? ;) |
| 17:17.27 | qwerty12 | xsaucy eh? sounds fun :P |
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| 17:21.43 | jott | RST38bis: XGetPr0nImage() ? ;) |
| 17:21.43 | qwerty12 | Bye. |
| 17:22.56 | RST38bis | XQueryPronPointer |
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| 17:31.36 | gpd | GeneralAntilles: have you ever had any problems with your iBlue 737 dropping BT connection to the tablet? |
| 17:32.02 | gpd | I was hoping that Diablo would just fix my problem with connection dropping in maemo-mapper - but no such luck. |
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| 17:35.17 | gpd | hmm. searching the logs I think I asked you that before and you said no problems. bummer |
| 17:37.41 | RST38bis | what is between tablet and gps? |
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| 18:04.54 | pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1wnOUH2jk8 creepy music video, awesome song imo |
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| 18:33.05 | vetetix | hi everyone |
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| 18:33.39 | vetetix | since i upgraded to diablo, i can't install any "one click install" application |
| 18:33.44 | vetetix | is it normal ? |
| 18:33.53 | vetetix | for example, canola2 |
| 18:34.19 | vetetix | the link on the first page of maemo.org doesn't work |
| 18:34.44 | RST38bis | yes |
| 18:34.48 | vetetix | (the "one click install" on the canola2) |
| 18:34.56 | vetetix | RST38bis, how so ? |
| 18:35.12 | RST38bis | you should go to repo list in app manager |
| 18:35.22 | vetetix | yes |
| 18:35.29 | RST38bis | find extras repo, select edit |
| 18:35.44 | vetetix | yes |
| 18:35.57 | RST38bis | change diablo to chinook, then try installing again |
| 18:36.27 | vetetix | thanks, i'll try with this |
| 18:38.54 | vetetix | yeah, seems to work, thanks |
| 18:51.06 | mpeterson | I can't seem to find the package that has mkfs.ext2 since I've upgraded to diablo, can anyone help me please? |
| 18:53.38 | zap | Anybody can tell me what's the ultimate source for the musb_hdrc driver? |
| 18:54.02 | zap | On linux.omap.com I can find only ancient kernels like 2.6.14 |
| 18:55.36 | sp3000 | random word association and google suggest says http://www.google.com/search?q=linux-omap+git could be of interest |
| 18:59.34 | tlax | hmm.. the scratchbox-installer script doesn't check for disk space :P |
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| 19:03.12 | Andy80 | hi all |
| 19:03.50 | Andy80 | I'm using N810 with latest diablo image and Maemo Mapper 2.4.1. mapper application crashes while it's downloading 11 Mb maps from google... how can I know why does it crash? |
| 19:08.31 | lcuk | andy80, if you run mapper through the terminal you should get more information on whats happening and maybe what the problem is |
| 19:08.43 | Andy80 | ok, I'll try now |
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| 19:14.33 | megosdog | Hey, does anyone know of there's an easy way to get a complete copy of the maemo mapper database for either google maps or virtual earth from level 20 down to level 4 for the US already compressed and ready to use? I want to essentially just drop a ready to use database into the n810 I have and use it like that rather than needing to be online to use it. |
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| 19:15.34 | lcuk | megosdog, i think google has that database available, you can download it from http://maps.google.com |
| 19:15.57 | lcuk | but be warned, the filesize will be quite big ;) |
| 19:16.06 | Veggen | megosdog: you *can* do batch downloads in maemo mapper. |
| 19:16.21 | Veggen | ( to cache it) |
| 19:17.38 | megosdog | Yeah, I saw that, but it's giving me a rediculously *HUGE* megabyte number to do anything larger than a few counties. |
| 19:18.15 | lcuk | what do you expect, the US is a ridiculously large area |
| 19:18.40 | Andy80 | lcuk: I try to paste somewhere in pastebin, wait... |
| 19:20.19 | Andy80 | lcuk: http://pastebin.com/m4dcc838f |
| 19:21.34 | Veggen | btw, anyone tried compiling http://www.tangogps.org/gps/ for the tablet? |
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| 19:24.33 | Andy80 | Veggen: don't know, but I think it could run on Maemo without problems |
| 19:26.13 | Veggen | looked like it shouldn't be too hard, no. I'm into openstreetmap, and is interested in looking at what help tangoGPS will give me on the way. Some fork/superset of maemo mapper with osm extensions would be awesome. I'd like to actually draw/make notes in the map, to help me remember when I get home ;) |
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| 19:28.35 | Andy80 | openstreetmap is a good idea... but for the moment it's missing too much streets to be usable :( |
| 19:28.53 | Veggen | Andy80: you can help, you know :) |
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| 19:36.29 | megosdog | Well, oddly enough, out of all the map systems, VE is the best quality. You don't have to zoom in really close to get the street names. You can see a wider area and still get street names. |
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| 19:38.07 | Andy80 | Veggen: do you want a good news :) ? |
| 19:38.37 | Veggen | Andy80: sure? ;) |
| 19:38.50 | Andy80 | Veggen: just 1 minute, please :) |
| 19:39.53 | Andy80 | Veggen: here is good news: http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/8455/screenshotcg7.png :D |
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| 19:40.33 | Andy80 | Veggen: just a simple: configure, make :) |
| 19:41.09 | Veggen | hmm. Ok :) |
| 19:41.35 | Veggen | I think I should really upgrade my scratchbox environment to Diablo first, though. Even though I *guess* the differences isn't that large. |
| 19:41.58 | Andy80 | I've tested it on upgraded Scratchbox |
| 19:42.05 | Andy80 | but I think it works on chinook too |
| 19:42.18 | Andy80 | well.. I could try to make a .deb too :) |
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| 19:53.30 | mysc | is it normal to have "menelaus 1-0072: Setting voltage 'VDCDC3' to 2800 mV" continuously added to dmesg and why? |
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| 20:11.45 | practisevoodoo | has anyone had any luck coding with PyBluez on the maemo? my progs run fine but it cant actually find any devices |
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| 20:21.59 | Jaffa | un-Doctor Whos |
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| 20:23.19 | keesj | is there a qemu or vm image for the sdk? |
| 20:24.09 | Jaffa | keesj: there's a VMware image of chinook |
| 20:24.18 | sp3000 | where's the auth for promoter documented? |
| 20:25.28 | sp3000 | https://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_extras is the closest I can find: # Permission to promote, email XXXX@maemo.org |
| 20:25.37 | Jaffa | sp3000: nowhere; it's been manual by X-Fade but someone on -dev today said it was going to be automated |
| 20:26.22 | Jaffa | sp3000: yeah, I wrote that. If X-Fade's not awake here ping him via niels@maemo.org, but I dunno if that's the official process. |
| 20:26.52 | sp3000 | I don't have anything to promote :) |
| 20:26.54 | Jaffa | TBH, I reckon putting his name there will either get it automated or a better email addr put in by him ;-) |
| 20:27.12 | sp3000 | is contemplating trying to answer that question on list |
| 20:27.30 | sp3000 | is contemplating coming up with something to build and promote, just to experience the pain first-hand |
| 20:27.40 | Jaffa | :) |
| 20:28.21 | Jaffa | You can use mud to build something trivial |
| 20:28.35 | sp3000 | would also be curious to see the sources to the magic delays and file handling order bits in the builder |
| 20:29.23 | sp3000 | the last answer to "my package failed to build four times mysteriously because of slow upload" was something along the lines of "don't use dput or hack on dput" |
| 20:29.27 | Jaffa | Yeah, I reckon there's some room for some improved algorithms in 'em, from what I've seen. |
| 20:29.31 | keesj | write a deb that gets that information out of the system :p |
| 20:29.33 | sp3000 | finds that suboptimal, but actually knowing something about it would help |
| 20:29.55 | Jaffa | Not using dput is a sign of a broken system IMHO |
| 20:30.39 | Jaffa | But adding scp magic to mud to automate the workarounds would be trivial |
| 20:31.22 | Jaffa | keesj: I've started http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jaffa/mud_design - I reckon there's still a place for mud |
| 20:31.45 | sp3000 | would expect that checking all files listed in a dsc for mtime < 1min and deferring if any would let you do away with any built in delays longer than 1min, but of course if there's an evil abstraction layer getting in the way of that, ... |
| 20:31.45 | keesj | Jaffa: sorry for being negative on the list |
| 20:31.46 | Jaffa | If nothing else, helping people follow the pkging policy |
| 20:32.11 | Jaffa | keesj: no probs; it was a valid point |
| 20:32.25 | Jaffa | sp3000: exactly. |
| 20:33.13 | freelikegnu | hoho ubuntu "MID" edition is a hhot |
| 20:33.16 | freelikegnu | *hoot |
| 20:34.15 | freelikegnu | esp on a tablet PC... |
| 20:34.32 | freelikegnu | like a 12" n810 :D |
| 20:34.47 | freelikegnu | I need to get a bigger shirt pocket |
| 20:35.36 | keesj | the n810 came with a "mount" I guess you can wear it using one of those golden necklaces |
| 20:35.47 | keesj | blingbling |
| 20:36.03 | freelikegnu | oh like musicians use for playing harmonica and guitar |
| 20:36.34 | freelikegnu | if you had a bluetooth harmonica style interface to control it |
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| 20:39.16 | sp3000 | oh, you answered the same guy on another thread |
| 20:39.26 | sp3000 | mods his draft -1 redundant |
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| 20:50.42 | wazd | Hello all, Diablo fix is in the wild :) |
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| 20:53.47 | mysc | anyone know what causes repeated messages from menelaus about setting voltages? |
| 21:00.48 | mysc | 272 people and no one can help? |
| 21:01.55 | wazd | well, I can't in fact, sorry :( I'm the worst technican in whole maemo community :) |
| 21:03.24 | wazd | Do you have Diablo or 2008? |
| 21:03.28 | mysc | can you see if your dmesg has multiple voltage setting lines? |
| 21:03.31 | mysc | os2008 |
| 21:04.29 | rm_you | mysc: mine always has |
| 21:05.05 | rm_you | mysc: i think they all do... I'm not aware that it matters |
| 21:05.12 | rm_you | it's just one of those things that it does |
| 21:05.37 | mysc | ok, cause i recently dropped it and wanted to know if i screwed up some voltage regulator |
| 21:08.15 | GAN800 | Jaffa, the cite plugin isn't installed. I filled a bug, but I think it may have been lost in the chatter. |
| 21:08.32 | Jaffa | GAN800: ah, right |
| 21:08.54 | GAN800 | mediawiki appears to be plugin hell. :D |
| 21:09.28 | Jaffa | :) |
| 21:10.01 | Jaffa | I've seen lots of software like this: it can do so much, it can't do anything. |
| 21:11.01 | Jaffa | votes, ups priority a little |
| 21:12.37 | Jaffa | Nah, I'll leave "low" |
| 21:13.28 | mysc | any hw diagnostic app for os08? |
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| 21:15.57 | rm_you | mysc: is anything visibly wrong with it? |
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| 21:16.04 | rm_you | mysc: has it been acting funny? |
| 21:16.25 | rm_you | mysc: lots of people have dropped them, it doesnt really do much unless you THREW IT at the ground, from like 15+feet |
| 21:16.37 | rm_you | I wouldn't worry about it unless it started acting funny |
| 21:16.52 | Jaffa | NAFAIK |
| 21:21.11 | mysc | rm_you thanks for the encouragement, nothing acting funny, no physical damage to exterior, fell about 1.5 meters onto a carpet |
| 21:22.15 | Veggen | there. a 4.1 SDK installed. |
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| 21:23.07 | Veggen | (had forgotten what trick I used to get it to run under amd64, and since I hadn't actually used it since I installed it on this box in may, I decided to scratch and reinstall rather than upgrade) |
| 21:26.33 | rm_you | mysc: lol, nothing at all to worry about... the device is solid state :) no moving parts to break |
| 21:27.20 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody against deleting this? https://wiki.maemo.org/Getting_started_with_Sardine |
| 21:27.39 | rm_you | lol |
| 21:27.56 | lcuk | as long as you replace it with https://wiki.maemo.org/Getting_started_with_Haddock |
| 21:28.35 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, sardine is dead. marius gave a eulogy in dev ml last week. |
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| 21:28.43 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I know. ;) |
| 21:28.59 | mysc | heh rm_your, i'm ocd yes i am, yes i am |
| 21:29.03 | mysc | :> |
| 21:29.40 | lcuk | rm_you, actually, there are moving parts inside this device which can be severly effected by a fall |
| 21:30.23 | lcuk | touchscreen has 2 layers with a small gap in the centre, and the 810 keyboard slide unit |
| 21:30.48 | GeneralAntilles | Those don't qualify as "moving parts" |
| 21:30.58 | lcuk | well if they get bent they wont move properly |
| 21:31.05 | lcuk | hence "breaking" your machine |
| 21:31.30 | GeneralAntilles | Sure, but they aren't "moving parts". A hard drive is a "moving part". :P |
| 21:31.37 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: nuke with extreme prejudice |
| 21:32.02 | lcuk | so long, and thanks for all the fish |
| 21:32.21 | GeneralAntilles | Done. |
| 21:33.15 | mysc | GA, so as long as touchscreen works after fall you'd say coast is clear |
| 21:33.29 | GeneralAntilles | Unless something isn't working. . . . |
| 21:33.42 | rm_you | lol\ |
| 21:34.20 | lcuk | mysc, reading your scrollback, do you know if the messages occured before the drop? |
| 21:34.23 | mysc | everything seems to be working except that voltage shit in dmesg, rmyou said this is always there. |
| 21:34.39 | mysc | i don't recall dmesg output before the fall |
| 21:34.49 | derf | I've dropped my N800 a number of times, on hard surfaces. |
| 21:34.55 | derf | Still works for me. |
| 21:35.15 | lcuk | n810: OMG I've fallen off a table |
| 21:35.21 | lcuk | n810: Deploying thumb keyboard |
| 21:35.30 | lcuk | n810: Starting Map |
| 21:35.37 | lcuk | n810: This is gonna hurt |
| 21:35.43 | lcuk | n810: ouch! |
| 21:36.09 | mysc | ok, i am going to test 3 meters now and no carpet and run dmesg again (j/k) |
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| 21:37.37 | mysc | is there any ways to change the "radius" that maemo-mapper uses when you dl maps around your gps'd location? it seems to get a few tiles in each direction. i guess i could do area and then i'd need the coords of top-left and bottom-right (any trick on that?) |
| 21:38.20 | derf | mysc: It pulls the coords from the area you're currently looking at. |
| 21:38.44 | mysc | yes, but it only dl's a certain radius around that location. i want to extend that a bit |
| 21:38.46 | derf | And recent versions do have a slider somewhere that lets you set how many extra maps it gets. |
| 21:39.11 | derf | mysc: No, I mean the "Area" tab pulls the coords from what you're currently looking at. |
| 21:39.27 | mysc | yeah, but how do i expand that "area" |
| 21:39.31 | derf | Zoom out. |
| 21:39.41 | mysc | that hasn't worked for me. |
| 21:39.53 | mysc | will try again. |
| 21:40.22 | derf | You still have to tell it to download the zoom levels you actually want. |
| 21:40.53 | mysc | yeah, i'm giving it zoom level 1 |
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| 21:47.31 | Jaffa | Hmm, on the maemo summit agenda: "What Maemo users want" by Reggie and Krisse |
| 21:48.21 | GeneralAntilles | Should be interesting |
| 21:50.06 | GeneralAntilles | sjgadsby, you seriously want me to use rtcomm's IRC component to test this? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3334 :P |
| 21:50.12 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody using rtcomm and IRC in Diablo? |
| 21:52.33 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, ping. |
| 21:54.21 | mysc | derf, was just being dumb about things, it works fine |
| 21:55.39 | derf | Hooray. |
| 21:56.19 | mysc | does the macarena h0h0 |
| 21:58.51 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: pong |
| 22:00.03 | GeneralAntilles | Login to the wiki and move this to your userspace. https://wiki.maemo.org/User:Generalantilles/rm_you |
| 22:00.45 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: you can't do it? |
| 22:01.05 | GeneralAntilles | You, apparently, don't exist yet. |
| 22:01.11 | rm_you | ... |
| 22:01.31 | rm_you | wtf? |
| 22:01.47 | rm_you | did my account get deleted? |
| 22:02.23 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 22:02.28 | GeneralAntilles | Just login and move it. |
| 22:02.31 | GeneralAntilles | Cut'n'paste job. |
| 22:02.35 | GeneralAntilles | User:Rm_you |
| 22:02.38 | rm_you | i can't log in |
| 22:02.40 | GeneralAntilles | Not article Rm_you |
| 22:02.46 | GeneralAntilles | Use the Garage information? |
| 22:02.58 | rm_you | Login error: |
| 22:02.58 | rm_you | There is no user by the name "rm_you". Check your spelling. |
| 22:03.13 | n800m | i'd try rm_me |
| 22:03.30 | derf | n800m: I think someone did. |
| 22:03.58 | rm_you | and I can't find the registration? |
| 22:04.06 | GeneralAntilles | It uses the garage accounts. |
| 22:04.09 | rm_you | ... |
| 22:04.16 | rm_you | wtf |
| 22:04.32 | GeneralAntilles | https://garage.maemo.org/account/register.php |
| 22:04.39 | rm_you | ... |
| 22:04.44 | rm_you | i have a garage account, thank you |
| 22:04.55 | GeneralAntilles | Try rmyou maybe? |
| 22:05.29 | rm_you | nope |
| 22:05.43 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm, bug maybe. . . . |
| 22:05.47 | rm_you | the whole maemo system hates me |
| 22:05.50 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, ping. |
| 22:05.56 | rm_you | first it wouldn't let me use my SVN |
| 22:06.01 | rm_you | now this <_< |
| 22:06.02 | practisevoodoo | has anyone had any luck coding with PyBluez on the maemo? my progs run fine but it cant actually find any devices |
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| 22:11.11 | Toba_ | is it possible to take an image of the internal flash in my n810? I know it's easy to flash, but I'd like to be able to undo *exactly* the flash/upgrade process |
| 22:15.49 | Grackle | There is probably a way to do that, but it is not possible with the flasher utility. The easiest way to do that sort of thing would be to install to and boot from a system located on MMC, which you periodically back up using dd or somesuch. |
| 22:16.09 | Grackle | That is the method that I use. |
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| 22:19.23 | sjgadsby | GeneralAntilles: Yep. I found that bug just to force you to use RTCOMM for IRC. *grin* |
| 22:19.24 | rm_you | X-Fade: ping |
| 22:21.32 | mysc | is everything flashed from nokia bin put in: /dev/mtdblock0 ? |
| 22:21.45 | mysc | if so, one might consider dd if=/dev/mtdblock0 of=file.bin |
| 22:22.02 | GeneralAntilles | mtdblock4 is rootfs |
| 22:26.21 | mysc | were i to do dd if=/dev/mtdblock4 of=backup.bin and diff backup.bin $original_nokia.bin, would i get same file? |
| 22:27.57 | Grackle | mysc, hmm, I was wondering if something like that might work. Try it and see.. |
| 22:29.29 | mysc | Grackle, yes, i was thinking out loud based on your and Toba's Q |
| 22:29.46 | mysc | but i don't know how nokia's flasher writes the bin (i.e. to what devices) |
| 22:31.01 | Grackle | Well you can use -r to write to the rootfs, which GA says is mtdblock4. |
| 22:31.39 | GeneralAntilles | Well, -r will just flash the rootfs |
| 22:31.48 | GeneralAntilles | But doesn't really let you write to it directly, per se. |
| 22:36.06 | Grackle | Are you just making a semantic argument or are you saying that won't work in this context? |
| 22:37.08 | GeneralAntilles | Semantic argument |
| 22:38.58 | Grackle | Okay. |
| 22:41.15 | lbt | how does the flasher access the flash area? Is it via a kernel API? |
| 22:42.41 | lbt | I have a car stereo (empeg) that runs linux. Someone hacked the kernel to provide a /proc/flash which you could copy a file to and that would then be flashed. |
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| 22:43.21 | lbt | No need for a seperate flasher tool; just scp (or putty). |
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| 22:43.50 | GeneralAntilles | Well, you can put info onto the flash just fine with mtdblock tools |
| 22:43.56 | GeneralAntilles | see fanoush's initfs flasher |
| 22:44.19 | GeneralAntilles | More: http://www.nopcode.org/0xFFFF/ |
| 22:44.20 | lbt | OK - just random thoughts really :) |
| 22:44.28 | GeneralAntilles | The NOLO is involved with flashing. |
| 22:44.37 | GeneralAntilles | Over USB |
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| 22:52.54 | lbt | thanks GeneralAntilles - makes sense - the mtd stuff is similar to what I meant (same goal). |
| 22:53.06 | lbt | OK - enough for tonight.... g'night all... |
| 22:53.16 | lcuk | gnite lbt |
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| 23:10.27 | kkrusty | what does this mean while building in scratchbox? sbox-i686-linux-g++: No such file or directory |
| 23:10.48 | kkrusty | Im using the VM appliance by the way |
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| 23:24.48 | timelyx | sighs |
| 23:24.58 | timelyx | another reason i want planet.maemo.org not to be a redirect: |
| 23:25.10 | timelyx | the ability to whitelist or blacklist scripts from it independently of maemo.org |
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| 23:28.02 | nikosapi | hello, is there a way to use a vpn on OS2008? |
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| 23:28.56 | timelyx | yes |
| 23:29.51 | nikosapi | o rly? |
| 23:30.16 | nikosapi | is it relatively simple? |
| 23:34.48 | kkrusty | I have an app running in full screen in xephyr/scratchbox. How do I close it? |
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| 23:36.42 | kkrusty | anyone? |
| 23:36.42 | timelyx | it's a simple google search away ... yes |
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| 23:38.09 | timelyx | GAN800: i'd have loved to know diablo was coming so i could have written relnotes.. |
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| 23:38.24 | GeneralAntilles | How're they coming? |
| 23:38.27 | GeneralAntilles | Hey, guenther. |
| 23:38.51 | timelyx | i'm starving and days behind on scrollback.. i'll worry about them in a few (10?)hrs :) |
| 23:39.06 | timelyx | i should be ready to ask for help in 12-16hrs :) |
| 23:39.43 | guenther | heya GeneralAntilles |
| 23:39.49 | timelyx | Jaffa: it's technically possible to rename sbox targets. i doubt there's a ui for it :) |
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| 23:39.57 | guenther | Fixed your typo bug. ;) |
| 23:40.09 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, thanks! |
| 23:41.12 | gentooer | i have the customized high speed kernel installed on an ext2 partition on my internal SD card.. will upgrading to diablo be a problem? |
| 23:41.14 | kkrusty | or am I expected to kill the process? |
| 23:42.59 | guenther | GeneralAntilles: Like the changes to bugzilla? |
| 23:43.11 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, it looks really nice. |
| 23:43.15 | guenther | Did you have a look at planet already? ;) |
| 23:43.23 | andre__ | guenther: thanks, honey! ;-)) |
| 23:43.25 | guenther | happy :-) |
| 23:43.37 | acydlord | anyone tried the adobe air for linux alpha yet? |
| 23:43.46 | guenther | my pleasure, andre__ |
| 23:44.24 | GeneralAntilles | Nope, didn't see the blog post yet. |
| 23:46.45 | kkrusty | thinks that its not a good time to ask for help |
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| 23:50.30 | timelyx | guenther: what did you do to bugzilla? |
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| 23:51.10 | guenther | timelyx: Improvements. :) |
| 23:51.19 | timelyx | please clarify |
| 23:51.30 | timelyx | most "improvements" i've heard of relating to bugzilla are merely bugs |
| 23:51.37 | guenther | https://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/ |
| 23:51.44 | timelyx | (i'm used to custom hacks which were requested by PHBs) |
| 23:52.08 | guenther | Some template nicening. |
| 23:52.23 | guenther | And implemented bug 2035. Just as you wanted yourself. ;) |
| 23:52.29 | timelyx | "Waiting for maemo.org..." |
| 23:53.10 | timelyx | oh brother |
| 23:53.14 | timelyx | you did me no favors |
| 23:53.23 | timelyx | i'm going to demand that you answer all my bugmail in the future |
| 23:53.31 | guenther | huh? |
| 23:53.36 | timelyx | i've already gotten bad mail because of your change |
| 23:53.41 | timelyx | ask andre__ |
| 23:54.04 | guenther | Come on, if you're talking to me -- talk to me. |
| 23:54.21 | timelyx | i'm a few days in scrollback. i've already sent andre cc's on the mail |
| 23:54.30 | timelyx | i'll forward them to you when i exit scrollback |
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| 23:54.58 | timelyx | but the short of it is that @bmo we have a "no obligation" note |
| 23:55.02 | timelyx | and you seem to have lost that |
| 23:55.17 | timelyx | so now i have a "customer" saying "shouldn't you be nicer, aren't i paying your salary?" |
| 23:55.30 | timelyx | i should be nice and delete myself from bugs.maemo.org. and i told him as much. |
| 23:55.46 | Robot101 | this bug must be marked as PRE_SMOKED before you can tag it BONGHITS and accepted by the QA contact into SMOKED before being reassigned to the tester and marked as RELEASED by the first born son of your line manager |
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| 23:56.09 | guenther | timelyx: Don't think I get you... |
| 23:56.11 | Robot101 | and you must write Fixed into you changelog, not fixed |
| 23:56.24 | Robot101 | or closes, like everyone else :P |
| 23:56.34 | timelyx | guenther: either wait for andre__ to forward the mail, or wait for me to exit scrollback |
| 23:56.44 | andre__ | timelyx, read zour mail, yupp. that's life, you will have to deal with that |
| 23:56.44 | timelyx | either way, take my comment as an advance note that you've hurt me |
| 23:56.49 | timelyx | and i'm quite likely to leave bugzilla |
| 23:57.06 | timelyx | gan and others can point out that i've left maemo-devel |
| 23:57.15 | guenther | Are you talking about the group membership? |
| 23:57.24 | guenther | I did not set that bit. |
| 23:57.33 | andre__ | but in general, people stating "i pay you" are very strange... |
| 23:57.58 | guenther | btw, see my last comment |
| 23:58.46 | guenther | If you want to participate as a private, not affiliated user, there is *nothing* that holds you back. |
| 23:58.58 | guenther | SO what is this about? |
| 23:59.10 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: the internal bugzilla has a policy of not using FIXED on average |
| 23:59.20 | timelyx | hence we use things like ALREADYFIXED |
| 23:59.23 | andre__ | well, if you want to be considered "private" we can just remove the group bit |
| 23:59.33 | timelyx | which are really an alias for WORKSFORME, but WORKSFORME is banned (policy) |
