| 00:11.11 | Tenkawa | evening all |
| 00:11.25 | Tenkawa | well so far so good on diablo sdk testing |
| 00:11.40 | Tenkawa | now I just need to decide which apps I want to use that bad |
| 00:11.41 | Tenkawa | heheh |
| 00:11.54 | rm_you | hrm I haven't installed the new SDK yet... |
| 00:12.01 | rm_you | I should probably get around to doing that |
| 00:12.05 | Tenkawa | rm_you: heheh |
| 00:12.23 | rm_you | still just compiling on the old chinook scratchbox >_> |
| 00:12.26 | Tenkawa | nod |
| 00:12.47 | GAN800 | rm_you, what's the status with the autobuilder and adv-backlight? |
| 00:13.05 | Tenkawa | I was impressed enough with diablo's performance increase on my n800 that I've re-taken an interest in building my own apps for it again |
| 00:13.18 | rm_you | GAN800: it works nicely?\ |
| 00:13.20 | Tenkawa | we'll see how much materializes |
| 00:13.46 | Tenkawa | I start a new job in a week so not sure what time holds |
| 00:13.49 | GAN800 | Oh? It still says build failed on the status page. |
| 00:14.13 | rm_you | GAN800: ?? |
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| 00:14.21 | rm_you | GAN800: it worked when i did it for extras-devel |
| 00:14.29 | rm_you | for chinook |
| 00:14.34 | Tenkawa | uggh we are about to get slammed with rain again for the second night in a row |
| 00:14.35 | Tenkawa | uggh |
| 00:14.48 | Tenkawa | at least its not 1 am like last night |
| 00:15.17 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/maemo_extras_diablo_rebuild.php |
| 00:15.20 | Tenkawa | although I just noticed aother cell that will hit overnight.. |
| 00:15.28 | GeneralAntilles | https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/maemo-diablo-armel-extras/logs/advanced-backlight_0.9-2.dsc.sbdmock.build.log-FAILED |
| 00:15.42 | rm_you | hrm |
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| 00:16.47 | rm_you | yeah thats 0.9-2 |
| 00:16.58 | rm_you | why did it try to build that version? |
| 00:17.02 | rm_you | where is it getting the source from? |
| 00:17.58 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno |
| 00:18.30 | GeneralAntilles | The one you uploaded to Chinook Extras, I guess? |
| 00:19.04 | rm_you | bleh |
| 00:19.06 | rm_you | yeah thats old |
| 00:19.27 | rm_you | gotta install the newe scratchbox >_> |
| 00:20.19 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 00:20.33 | GeneralAntilles | https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php upload the new sources there, I guess. |
| 00:25.32 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody with an N810 want to reproduce this? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3319 |
| 00:27.21 | NullM0dem | GeneralAntilles: ill give it a try when i get home |
| 00:27.31 | GeneralAntilles | Thanks! |
| 00:28.14 | NullM0dem | what version of 2008? i still have not updated. |
| 00:28.46 | GeneralAntilles | Says it happens in both Chinook and Diablo. |
| 00:28.48 | NullM0dem | I should be updating when i get home so if its pre diablo i will test as well as after the upgrade.. |
| 00:29.14 | GeneralAntilles | Works as it should on my N800 with Diablo and the vkb. |
| 00:30.22 | crashanddie | Pretty good post: http://metaphorcrash.blogspot.com/ |
| 00:30.35 | crashanddie | It is word reading |
| 00:30.54 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, you generally read words. :P |
| 00:31.40 | crashanddie | bleh |
| 00:31.45 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, bug reproduced |
| 00:31.51 | crashanddie | I get the search dialog |
| 00:33.11 | andre___ | yay, fresh new boogs for me tomorrow morning :-) |
| 00:33.13 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/advanced-backlight_0.9b-2/ |
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| 00:34.11 | lcuk | gnite |
| 00:34.16 | crashanddie | yeah |
| 00:34.19 | crashanddie | peace, I'm out too |
| 00:34.22 | crashanddie | lcuk, 'night |
| 00:34.24 | rm_you | night lcuk |
| 00:39.39 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, thanks, confirming. |
| 00:40.31 | GeneralAntilles | Awesome, rm_you. |
| 00:41.31 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, was it promoted? |
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| 00:47.12 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: I do not appear to have access to the promotion interface |
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| 00:52.30 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody have a Chinook and Diablo install handy to do a comparison for this? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3313 |
| 00:52.40 | GeneralAntilles | Or happen to remember the old behavior |
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| 01:36.30 | esworp | so.. is there a better rss reader applet than the included one? |
| 01:38.52 | mouser | I think there is. Let me see if I can find it. |
| 01:41.21 | mouser | Looks like there is a plugin for claws-mail that handles RSS... |
| 01:42.04 | GeneralAntilles | RSS reader is open so, uh, if you want to fix it up. ;) |
| 01:46.17 | mouser | Is there any hardware reason on the tablet streaming video doesn't run as well as downloaded video ? |
| 01:46.44 | GeneralAntilles | CPU usage |
| 01:46.50 | GeneralAntilles | Network usage has overhead |
| 01:47.52 | mouser | That much? |
| 01:47.58 | GeneralAntilles | Doesn't take much. |
| 01:48.20 | GeneralAntilles | You're running right at the edge for most stuff anyway |
| 01:48.39 | GeneralAntilles | Try scping and watch top for a mediocre example |
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| 01:56.06 | mouser | Sorry, "scping?" That's an SSH thing, right? |
| 01:56.58 | orakle | yes |
| 01:58.44 | chibiAcyd | it's very ominous out here, the sky is covered in smoke and ash |
| 01:59.18 | GeneralAntilles | chibiAcyd, you really are in hell, aren't you? |
| 02:01.09 | chibiAcyd | could be |
| 02:01.24 | chibiAcyd | i think arizona is code for hell |
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| 02:14.03 | esworp | has anyone else had problems with diabloÅ modest? |
| 02:15.11 | GeneralAntilles | There are a number of bugs. |
| 02:16.35 | esworp | it just plain doesn=t work for me. |
| 02:16.48 | GeneralAntilles | Well, what are you using it with? |
| 02:16.52 | GeneralAntilles | How big is your inbox? |
| 02:17.34 | esworp | im using it with a comcastg and a gmail acct. |
| 02:17.47 | esworp | inbox approaches prolly 2thousand. |
| 02:17.57 | GeneralAntilles | Should be fine. |
| 02:18.06 | GeneralAntilles | What does "it just plain doesn't work" actually mean? |
| 02:18.31 | esworp | you hit the Äheck email´button.... and nothing happens. |
| 02:18.36 | esworp | :p |
| 02:18.44 | esworp | dun broke n shit. |
| 02:18.48 | GeneralAntilles | Are your accounts properly set up? |
| 02:19.03 | GeneralAntilles | Does it show the status bar? |
| 02:19.05 | esworp | yup |
| 02:19.35 | esworp | it down loded about 1700 of the messages, and then I selected all and deleted them.. |
| 02:19.46 | esworp | and now i get no reaction out of checking |
| 02:19.47 | GeneralAntilles | lol. . . . |
| 02:20.33 | esworp | lol? my palm didnt complain at that, and itÅ a total turd.. i figured the n800 wouldnt mind 1700 mesdsdage headers. |
| 02:20.50 | GeneralAntilles | Why'd you delete them? |
| 02:21.10 | esworp | i didnt want them. |
| 02:21.50 | esworp | the gmail accnt has LOTS of unreads.. i have have them forwarded to another acct, so the actual unread count is high. |
| 02:22.20 | GeneralAntilles | It probably didn't like the delete action |
| 02:22.31 | GeneralAntilles | Though I'm not familiar enough with tinymail to really say what might've happened |
| 02:22.37 | GeneralAntilles | have you tried letting it sit for a while? |
| 02:22.48 | GeneralAntilles | Or maybe deleting the accounts and setting them up again |
| 02:22.56 | esworp | yeah.. overnight. |
| 02:23.21 | esworp | iĺl try that again. |
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| 02:31.06 | esworp | itÅ official.. |
| 02:31.10 | esworp | modest is gayballs. |
| 02:31.16 | GeneralAntilles | Works fine here. |
| 02:31.17 | GeneralAntilles | shrugs. |
| 02:31.35 | GeneralAntilles | Try purging all Modest settings and starting from scratch/ |
| 02:31.55 | snowmoon | modest crashed about half a dozen times today at random points |
| 02:32.05 | snowmoon | on a fresh install |
| 02:32.11 | snowmoon | with no restoration |
| 02:32.12 | summatusmentis | mine's been crashing too... seems to be when there's not net connection |
| 02:32.27 | esworp | setting up two accounts.. only one shows up in the folder view..gayballsa |
| 02:32.40 | snowmoon | that would explain some of my crashes |
| 02:33.09 | esworp | my install just doesnt reflect whatÅ´on my servers. |
| 02:33.43 | GeneralAntilles | Alright-y then |
| 02:33.48 | GeneralAntilles | moves on to something more useful. |
| 02:34.22 | esworp | im just going back to claws |
| 02:34.25 | esworp | er claws |
| 02:46.39 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody happen to recall the message that was sent to one of the maemo lists about the maemo.org servers going down for maintenance? |
| 02:53.41 | doc|home | modest = pants |
| 02:54.07 | doc|home | esworp: there's a menu based way to see the other server |
| 02:54.22 | doc|home | I forget now exactly howand my battery is dead |
| 02:54.38 | esworp | yup. still sorta lame, though. |
| 02:54.54 | doc|home | indeed |
| 02:58.04 | rm_you | yeah i hafta use claws too |
| 02:58.07 | rm_you | i like it better anyway |
| 03:01.39 | GeneralAntilles | OK, since nobody wanted to provide any input for the topic and agenda, I went ahead and put together one myself. ;) |
| 03:01.39 | GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo-meeting/2#Topic |
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| 04:16.37 | Edgester | hi, has anyone used the diablo extras-devel to extras promotion interface? |
| 04:16.46 | Edgester | successfully? |
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| 04:17.41 | GAN800 | I'm not sure whether it's online yet. |
| 04:17.58 | GAN800 | It was mentioned on -developers |
| 04:18.48 | GAN800 | X-Fade'll probably be in in a few hours, and he can tell you. |
| 04:20.05 | Edgester | thanks. I'll be asleep by then, so I'll just wait in the -developers reply |
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| 04:33.06 | WormFood | is it documented that the FM tuner in the N800 gets better reception when you set the n800 on top of its power cord? (at least it helps for the weak station I'm trying to listen to) |
| 04:33.57 | doc|home | WormFood: it's definitely possible, with the power cord acting as an antenna |
| 04:34.48 | WormFood | doc|home, I think it acts like a ground, or ground plane |
| 04:34.57 | WormFood | the earphone is the antenna part |
| 04:35.41 | WormFood | if I can touch the N800 and have it get better reception, then setting it on the power cord gives me the same results |
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| 04:37.06 | WormFood | well...almost the same results |
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| 04:56.06 | rm_you | So, anyone know how I can promote my package to extras? i dont seem to be authorized for the promotion interface... |
| 04:57.16 | GeneralAntilles | I don't think it's enabled yet, actually. |
| 04:57.18 | GeneralAntilles | Not sure |
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| 05:07.18 | AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning |
| 05:08.58 | WormFood | good afternoon |
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| 05:16.04 | RST38h | rm_you: X-Fade is the man |
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| 05:16.16 | RST38h | rm_you: But can't you simply dput it to extras? |
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| 05:19.12 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, things have to go through autobuilder for Diablo Extras |
| 05:19.18 | GeneralAntilles | then they end up in Extras-devel |
| 05:19.21 | GeneralAntilles | and have to be promoted from there. |
| 05:19.46 | RST38h | Oh holy shit... |
| 05:20.44 | RST38h | knew extras submission process would get screwed up sooner or later... |
| 05:23.28 | GeneralAntilles | :\ |
| 05:24.00 | GeneralAntilles | You should probably read up a bit before you just dismiss it off-the-cuff. . . . http://wiki.maemo.org/Diablo_extras_repository_proposal http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras_repository_process_definition |
| 05:25.17 | RST38h | General: It is irrelevant, as most of my packages will nt be able to get there anyway now |
| 05:25.52 | GeneralAntilles | Why not? |
| 05:26.00 | RST38h | They are closed source. |
| 05:26.57 | GeneralAntilles | orly? |
| 05:27.09 | RST38h | rly. |
| 05:27.33 | GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Diablo_extras_repository_proposal |
| 05:28.44 | RST38h | General: "There's nothing stopping closed source authors such as INDT producing a "source" package containing the binary files and a script to produce the binary deb"? |
| 05:29.02 | GeneralAntilles | The binary submission procedure is being defined. |
| 05:29.05 | GeneralAntilles | Talk to X-Fade about it. . . . |
| 05:29.17 | RST38h | You mean, now I have to have my source code tree, .deb package, and a special "binary source package" for uploading to autobuilder? |
| 05:29.31 | GeneralAntilles | It's being defined. |
| 05:29.40 | GeneralAntilles | That was simply a suggested possible solution |
| 05:29.45 | GeneralAntilles | Talk to X-Fade about it. |
| 05:29.55 | RST38h | And a second deb build directory that builds it from the "binary source" rather than normal source? |
| 05:30.40 | RST38h | And what about achieving that valiant proper dependencies goal with such packages? How are they better than just submitting a .deb? |
| 05:31.43 | RST38h | General: I dunno, this all sounds exactly like I predicted a few weeks ago - once you complicate the submission process, very few people will submit |
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| 05:34.15 | GeneralAntilles | You have to balance QA against easy of submission. |
| 05:34.24 | GeneralAntilles | s/easy/ease/ |
| 05:34.47 | RST38h | Current QA was ok, as far as I know |
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| 05:34.59 | RST38h | The only two packages I had problems with were Canola and OpenSSH |
| 05:35.00 | GeneralAntilles | Not looking at some of the packages that were in Extras |
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| 05:35.47 | RST38h | Somehow I believe that using new submission process will *not* improve installation of these two packages (for good reasons though) |
| 05:36.04 | RST38h | The rest of extras packages I have never had a problem with |
| 05:37.49 | GeneralAntilles | Anyway, the whole process is still under definition |
| 05:37.54 | GeneralAntilles | so if you have issues, voice them. |
| 05:38.02 | GeneralAntilles | The wiki being a good place for that. |
| 05:38.43 | RST38h | It is pointless to voice my issue |
| 05:39.05 | GeneralAntilles | Defeatism WILL get you nowhere. ;) |
| 05:39.10 | RST38h | 'cause my basic issue here is "if it is not broken, why fix it?" |
| 05:39.48 | RST38h | General: It's not a defeatism, just experience telling me that this cause is lost |
| 05:40.31 | RST38h | General: It may be worth revisiting in 2-3 months when we suddenly find that developers are not particularly eager to submit stuff to the new repo |
| 05:41.02 | RST38h | When that happen, I will talk to X-Fade here and explain my view of the problem |
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| 05:43.38 | WormFood | is it possible to record the audio from the fm tuner? |
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| 05:49.24 | hrw | morning |
| 05:49.27 | RST38h | hello |
| 05:50.36 | hrw | speaking about builder... I am surprised that it lack deps building |
| 05:51.24 | GeneralAntilles | It's on the todo list, evidently. |
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| 05:55.53 | WormFood | what do you guys think about diablo |
| 05:55.55 | WormFood | ? |
| 06:00.56 | hrw | WormFood: it works |
| 06:01.08 | WormFood | I thought diablo, and diablo 2 sucked...boring games...unless you like playing maze games. |
| 06:01.38 | WormFood | any real features in diablo, to make it worth the hassle to download and install? |
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| 06:03.23 | hrw | WormFood: hard to tell - I had diablo prerelease on n810 so upgraded |
| 06:03.55 | WormFood | I'll install it and check it out. I'm not doing anything real serious with my n800 |
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| 06:06.02 | hrw | and I used that as a start of real cleanup |
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| 06:06.24 | hrw | not restored backups but installed selected soft, configured it etc |
| 06:06.39 | hrw | but I have backup of whole rootfs from last install ;) |
| 06:07.04 | qwerty12 | same here ;) |
| 06:08.11 | hrw | WormFood: abook is still broken in many places |
| 06:08.27 | WormFood | what is abook? |
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| 06:08.49 | hrw | maemo contacts application |
| 06:10.27 | qwerty12 | Ooh, I like the look of some new repos I'm seeing |
| 06:10.56 | gomiam | qwerty12: do they have scantily-clad packages or something? ;-) |
| 06:11.09 | qwerty12 | Heh, if only ;P |
| 06:29.11 | RST38h | moo, qwerty |
| 06:29.35 | qwerty12 | baa |
| 06:34.09 | chmac | Anyone successfully running mDNS on maemo? |
| 06:34.24 | chmac | I'd like my laptop and tablet to both be addressable as blah.local on each other |
| 06:34.34 | chmac | Well, mainly I'd like to be able to reach the tablet for ssh / etc |
| 06:34.59 | RST38h | you can use numeric ip |
| 06:35.13 | GeneralAntilles | Avahi comes bundled with Diablo, doesn't it? |
| 06:35.26 | RST38h | or make your router do the dns, if you have one |
| 06:35.28 | lbt | chmac: AFAIK that's a bug in the N800 dhcp/name handling |
| 06:35.31 | RST38h | ga: no |
| 06:35.41 | lbt | it doesn't send the name with the DHCP req |
| 06:35.49 | chmac | lbt: I'm on an N810 if that makes any difference |
| 06:35.52 | RST38h | avahi appears to be installed as part of rtcom |
| 06:35.53 | lbt | no |
| 06:36.30 | WormFood | is it possible to record the audio from the fm tuner? |
| 06:36.49 | chmac | RST38h: Yeah, can use the ip, just have to look it up every time, which isn't quite as convenient |
| 06:36.54 | chmac | It's one of those "nice to have" things :) |
| 06:37.18 | lbt | which should be easy to fix from an OSS PoV!!! |
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| 06:37.53 | lbt | but I don't *think* the src is available (happy to be wrong) |
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| 06:41.56 | lbt | hmm - I think I am wrong.... |
| 06:42.17 | chmac | Aha, I needed to install avahi, I didn't think it would be available in the repos |
| 06:42.26 | chmac | I read it was installed with canola, but now I'm installing avahi-daemon |
| 06:42.37 | chmac | Bingo, it shows up :) |
| 06:42.46 | RST38h | hehe |
| 06:45.13 | WormFood | bingo is on the package list now? |
| 06:45.41 | chmac | lol |
| 06:46.08 | chmac | Is it a bad idea to change the hostname of the n810? I was hoping to call it tab1 instead of Nokia-N810-51-3... |
| 06:47.16 | WormFood | sounds like a good idea to me, but then I don't know what other apps/functions may be tied to the host name, that it may fuck with....I'd expect you to be ok tho |
| 06:47.18 | GAN800 | Better plan is to upgrade to Diablo. |
| 06:47.29 | WormFood | why diablo? |
| 06:47.39 | qwerty12 | chmac, Shouldn't be. In the diablo betas, they made sure by default, there was no hostname >.< |
| 06:49.04 | lbt | udhcpc is running and it has the --hostname (-H) option |
| 06:49.11 | lbt | but it ignores /etc/hostname |
| 06:49.22 | lbt | I don't know where it's started from |
| 06:49.34 | lbt | not in rc?.d afaics |
| 06:49.50 | lbt | probably the osso connection mgr |
| 06:51.45 | WormFood | did they fix the dhcp client in diablo? |
| 06:52.04 | WormFood | or is it the same old busted shit? |
| 06:53.27 | lbt | WormFood: it's not working - but udhcpc is being called with a hostname |
| 06:53.46 | lbt | not sure if it's a bug in the udhcpc being shipped? |
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| 07:01.08 | WormFood | is flashing diablo now |
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| 07:02.33 | lbt | I don't think this worked in 2008 - but my dhcpd is now telling my local dyndns that my N800 is called Nokia-N800-23-14 |
| 07:02.37 | chmac | Ahh, some routing issues there, back! :) |
| 07:02.40 | lbt | despite the hostname being nut |
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| 07:04.29 | chmac | I didn't realise there was a newer version than 51-3, I'll install that now |
| 07:04.34 | chmac | Darn, have to go through most of my setup again :( |
| 07:04.40 | chmac | Might try the backup util out, see how it goes |
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| 07:22.59 | X-Fade | melmoth: Ping? |
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| 07:38.19 | dneary | morning |
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| 07:39.48 | GeneralAntilles | Howdy |
| 07:40.57 | X-Fade | morning |
| 07:41.04 | JamieBennett | morning |
| 07:42.10 | dneary | GeneralAntilles: I don't want to get all gushing or anything, but I just wanted to tell you how amazing you've been with the new wiki over the past few weeks. |
| 07:42.15 | dneary | Thanks :) |
| 07:42.47 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:42.55 | Jaffa | dneary: that's pretty gushing ;-) |
| 07:42.57 | rm_you | johnx: made a garage project I see :P |
| 07:43.21 | GeneralAntilles | My pleasure. :) |
| 07:43.37 | X-Fade | rm_you, Jaffa: You should now be able to use the promotion interface btw.. |
| 07:43.38 | dneary | Jaffa: I really like your logo entries, by the way |
| 07:43.56 | Jaffa | hasn't made any logo entries, AFAHK. I'm no artist, I just like what I see :) |
| 07:44.04 | Jaffa | X-Fade: cool |
| 07:44.06 | dneary | Ah - that's Jussi |
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| 07:44.09 | rm_you | X-Fade: k |
| 07:44.11 | dneary | Mixing up the Js |
| 07:44.15 | JamieBennett | :) |
| 07:44.15 | Jaffa | Yeah, I like his entries too. |
| 07:44.27 | Jaffa | dneary: I agreed with your post about the current favourite logos, btw |
| 07:45.01 | rm_you | X-Fade: err... the wrong packages are showing up in the promotion interface |
| 07:45.08 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody have more input here? https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo-meeting/2 |
| 07:45.15 | GeneralAntilles | qgil made a good point on the talk page |
| 07:45.26 | GeneralAntilles | Most of this stuff can be handled on the wiki. . . . |
| 07:45.37 | X-Fade | rm_you: Are you using this one? https://garage.maemo.org/promoter/diablo |
| 07:45.44 | rm_you | ah no |
| 07:46.00 | rm_you | woo at project is the first in the list :P |
| 07:46.18 | X-Fade | rm_you: The advantages of starting with an A ;) |
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| 07:46.40 | GeneralAntilles | We should rename to aaaaadv-backlight just in case. :P |
| 07:46.45 | X-Fade | rm_you: Btw. It will take some time for it to show up in extras. |
| 07:46.47 | rm_you | X-Fade: can you approve my new project :P |
| 07:47.04 | rm_you | lol GA |
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| 07:47.22 | X-Fade | rm_you: Sure, done.. |
| 07:47.27 | rm_you | :) |
| 07:47.47 | dneary | Jaffa: There are a couple of others I like, but I suspect they're not very original |
| 07:48.10 | RST38h | X-Fade: Will it be possible to submit binary .deb packages to the diablo extras when their source code is not open? |
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| 07:49.10 | Jaffa | RST38h: see http://wiki.maemo.org/Diablo_extras_repository_proposal#No_direct_binary_uploads_to_Diablo_Extras and http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Diablo_extras_repository_proposal |
| 07:49.19 | Jaffa | RST38h: my feeling is that they shouldn't be. |
| 07:49.21 | RST38h | So, the answer is "no"? |
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| 07:49.34 | X-Fade | RST38h: Well, you can easily get around that. |
| 07:49.42 | RST38h | X-Fade: How? |
| 07:49.54 | X-Fade | RST38h: Your makefile can just copy a blob and be done with it. |
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| 07:50.16 | X-Fade | But it should go to non-free, I guess. |
| 07:50.22 | RST38h | X-Fade: What is the advantage of this hack over submitting a .deb package though? |
| 07:50.41 | Jaffa | RST38h: it's a barrier to entry for binary-only packages and a statement of intent that things should be source-led. |
| 07:50.42 | RST38h | yea, non-free is fine - this is how I classify them at Garage anyway |
| 07:51.05 | X-Fade | RST38h: Well, frankly we should aim for 100% opensource in the community repository. |
| 07:51.18 | RST38h | Jaffa: Does this mean that closed-source software is not welcome on NITs? |
| 07:51.34 | X-Fade | At least that is our main priority. Closed source is a lower priority item.. |
| 07:51.38 | rm_you | X-Fade: did i do something stupid? |
| 07:51.40 | rm_you | svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/svn/pyshop' |
| 07:51.40 | rm_you | svn: PROPFIND of '/svn/pyshop': 403 Forbidden (https://svn.garage.maemo.org) |
| 07:51.41 | lcuk_zzz | but isn't that a little bit hypocritical? |
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| 07:51.49 | lbt | X-Fade: why 100% OS? |
| 07:51.55 | GeneralAntilles | maemo.org != Nokia, lcuk_zzz. |
| 07:52.23 | X-Fade | lbt: Not 100%, but if we need to prioritize our time. I go for the oss part first ;) |
| 07:52.26 | lbt | I suppose if extras is QA'ed then it makes sense |
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| 07:52.45 | lbt | and there's nothing stopping people providing binary only elsewhere... |
| 07:52.48 | RST38h | X-Fade: Basically, I am trying to figure out whether it is worth trying to jump through the new set of loops in order to have my stuff in Maemo Extras repo |
| 07:52.50 | lbt | OK - yes, makes sense |
| 07:53.18 | RST38h | X-Fade: Or whether I should provide packages via my own web page only or set up an alternative repository |
| 07:53.36 | X-Fade | RST38h: I'm trying to get everything working first. I'm sorry if closed source packages don't have my priority atm, but there is only so many hours in a day.. |
| 07:53.45 | X-Fade | And the benefits aren't that clear.. |
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| 07:54.00 | rm_you | X-Fade: it says I haven't created an SVN repository yet... how do i do that? no options under SCM admin |
| 07:54.03 | lbt | RST38h: yep; closed source apps aren't community apps are they? |
| 07:54.07 | RST38h | X-Fade: Well, you can just keep the original way of package submission with dput |
| 07:54.18 | X-Fade | rm_you: It takes a while for the cron job to run.. |
| 07:54.26 | rm_you | X-Fade: ah so i just wait |
| 07:54.28 | RST38h | lbt: I have no idea what a "community app" is, so can't tell |
| 07:54.33 | lcuk | ahhh :) so source is ideal situation and what would be prefered, cross binary later when it becomes an issue |
| 07:54.45 | lbt | one that belongs to the community and not just you... |
| 07:54.51 | rm_you | lcuk: source VERY preferred :P |
| 07:54.53 | X-Fade | RST38h: Maybe we will add that for non-free later. |
| 07:54.55 | rm_you | pokes lcuk |
| 07:55.23 | X-Fade | RST38h: Please propose that on a wiki page. That way we can more easily talk about it? |
| 07:55.25 | RST38h | X-Fade: does keeping the original policy intact require any additional time though? |
| 07:55.44 | X-Fade | RST38h: Yes, because the flow of packages is entirely different now. |
| 07:56.02 | RST38h | X-Fade: I somehow doubt proposing it at the wiki page will help , but if this is what you want, I will |
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| 07:56.46 | lcuk | it helps because people are looking there more than they are looking at a quick convo in scrollback :) |
| 07:56.47 | X-Fade | RST38h: It is just that we work around the clock to get the repository up for free packages. And how many non-free packages do we have in chinook? |
| 07:56.54 | rm_you | X-Fade: just out of curiosity, how long is the time on the SVN cron script? we talking like, 10 minutes? or 12 hours? |
| 07:57.14 | X-Fade | rm_you: I think at least once per hour. |
| 07:57.20 | rm_you | k |
| 07:57.26 | rm_you | waits |
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| 07:57.49 | GeneralAntilles | prods rm_you over and over with a stick. |
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| 07:58.34 | rm_you | lol what now GA? :P |
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| 07:58.44 | GeneralAntilles | I don't want you getting distracted. |
| 07:58.47 | rm_you | lol |
| 07:59.04 | rm_you | distracted FROM my shopping app, or distracted BY my shopping app? :P |
| 07:59.29 | rm_you | you're just jealous cause you aren't on the team yet :P |
| 07:59.30 | rm_you | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/pyshop/ |
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| 07:59.41 | rm_you | PyShop... == Pie Shop :P |
| 07:59.44 | GeneralAntilles | should probably dive into Python. |
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| 08:00.37 | X-Fade | Ok, good news. I'll be starting to feed packages to the extras repository that survived the rebuild effort :) |
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| 08:01.59 | Jaffa | X-Fade: cool |
| 08:02.19 | GeneralAntilles | Woo |
| 08:02.51 | GeneralAntilles | gives X-Fade the BAMF of the Month award. |
| 08:03.15 | GeneralAntilles | I hope Nokia coordinates with maemo.org a little better for the Fremantle transition. |
| 08:03.36 | GeneralAntilles | Be nice to get this stuff out of the way BEFORE shipping. |
| 08:03.38 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, I should probably too, but I think there's nothing as stupid as jumping on a bandwagon just because it's cool, especially when it comes to programming languages |
| 08:03.45 | GeneralAntilles | First impressions are particularly important for consumers. :\ |
| 08:03.52 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: There should be beta's for fremantle. |
| 08:04.25 | wazd | Hello everybody :) |
| 08:05.05 | crashanddie | if there's any reason I should learn python, it would be for my CV, but I'll keep Java/C/C++/PHP in my usual toolkit, thank you very much |
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| 08:08.18 | RST38h | X-Fade: I have made a comment on the wiki page |
| 08:08.47 | Jaffa | RST38h: thanks, that's a good comment |
| 08:09.15 | RST38h | X-Fade: the problem there is not with free/non-free but with the fact that not all developers may want to go through all the loops or make their source code available |
| 08:09.50 | X-Fade | RST38h: You have to ask if the community would care about packages where the developer doesn't care.. |
| 08:10.03 | GeneralAntilles | waits to see how long it'll take for the spam to start again. |
| 08:10.26 | RST38h | X-Fade: I am pretty sure a lot of people care about stuff like VGBA |
| 08:10.29 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, login and sign with "â~~~~" |
| 08:10.59 | crashanddie | isn't the convention double dash ? |
| 08:11.15 | GeneralAntilles | No, that's just for people who don't know where to find an em-dash. |
| 08:11.30 | GeneralAntilles | That's an em-dash, by the way, if you're using fixed-width. ;) |
| 08:12.01 | RST38h | X-Fade: And so do I. But I do not care about hacking my packaging process just to work around autouilder, submitting the hacked blob, waiting for the autobuilder to finish, then finding some promotion interface, figuring out how to make it work (remember ssh keys problem?), waiting for promotion to work out |
| 08:12.57 | Jaffa | RST38h: so we fix the tooling. |
| 08:13.08 | rm_you | so far it isn't bad |
| 08:13.13 | rm_you | for me, it's actually possibly easier |
| 08:13.15 | X-Fade | RST38h: If a developer doesn't see the need for a central repository to reach a lot more end users, so be it? |
| 08:13.23 | rm_you | ^^ RST38h |
| 08:13.27 | Jaffa | Only actual non-free apps should be in non-free, OSS where the packager can't be arsed (for whatever reason) shouldn't be. |
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| 08:13.34 | RST38h | X-Fade: Actually, if you read my comment you will see that I see the need for a central repository |
| 08:13.46 | RST38h | X-Fade: But I do not see the need for entry barriers |
| 08:14.13 | Jaffa | RST38h: isn't vgba open source? |
| 08:14.19 | RST38h | Jaffa: No |
| 08:14.55 | wazd | its free :) |
| 08:15.21 | RST38h | I am making free binaries available for Maemo users (not much use selling it anyway) |
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| 08:21.53 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, heh, I never noticed Wikis replaced the double dash with a typographic dash |
| 08:22.50 | wazd | alt+0169 ) |
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| 08:22.59 | wazd | aw |
| 08:23.00 | wazd | no |
| 08:23.04 | wazd | its copyright ) |
| 08:23.14 | wazd | alt+0151 :) |
| 08:23.57 | GAN800 | Windows. . . . |
| 08:23.59 | crashanddie | wazd, that only works for Windows |
| 08:24.01 | GAN800 | :P |
| 08:24.13 | wazd | Well, sorry then :) |
| 08:24.41 | wnd | crashanddie, iirc you can use shift-ctrl-unicode in gtk widgets |
| 08:24.53 | wnd | (in hex) |
| 08:25.04 | Blafasel | Damn. Bought a USB battery and my device always replies with "Not charging" when I connect it. |
| 08:25.11 | crashanddie | Us under a real OS we could always use shift+alt gr+r for the registered logl, and shift+alt gr+c for the copyright logo |
| 08:25.18 | wnd | oh, sorry, utf-8, not unicode as in unicode-16 |
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| 08:25.40 | rm_you | Blafasel: I don't believe the N8x0 devices are set up to charge via usb :/ |
| 08:25.42 | GeneralAntilles | opt-r for registered and opt-g for copyright |
| 08:25.58 | crashanddie | opt ? |
| 08:25.59 | Blafasel | rm_you: No, I do have one of those USB to Nokia connector |
| 08:26.01 | GeneralAntilles | option |
| 08:26.12 | crashanddie | there's an option on my keyboard ? |
| 08:26.15 | crashanddie | FULLY LEATHERED ! |
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| 08:26.42 | GeneralAntilles | I don't know how you guys get by in Linux and Windows with the weird character escapes. |
| 08:26.48 | Blafasel | There's no option if you stick to Gnome, but every F key is an option if you use KDE ;) |
| 08:27.24 | wnd | good old compose key... |
| 08:27.32 | rm_you | in gnome i just open character map and use that :P |
| 08:27.33 | crashanddie | I know a lot of people love KDE, and I don't want to enter a religion-war here, but I just never understood what the KDE appeal was |
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| 08:28.20 | crashanddie | btw, who friggin cares, if I really need unicode, I'll fracking sketch it up and email |
| 08:28.29 | Blafasel | Related to my power problem: Anyone using an external battery pack and a USB adapter? What could possibly .. go wrong? |
| 08:29.22 | GeneralAntilles | Not one for typography, then, crashanddie? :D |
| 08:29.23 | crashanddie | so, if I got it right, you have a battery pack with USB out, and then an adapter from USB to Nokia power, right ? |
| 08:29.49 | rm_you | could be too low voltage |
| 08:29.49 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, bleh, I've been in a fight about unicode for the past 5 years with the co-moderators |
| 08:30.02 | crashanddie | rm_you, yeah, that would be my first impression |
| 08:30.20 | GeneralAntilles | That's what the message means. |
| 08:30.25 | rm_you | i have a usb battery thing that will charge my GPS but not my cellphone |
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| 08:31.23 | Jaffa | RST38h: right, so it is a non-free upload problem; which Canola will also share |
| 08:31.44 | Blafasel | rm_you: Damn =( |
| 08:32.14 | skibur | diablo extra? |
| 08:32.22 | skibur | where is it? |
| 08:32.23 | RST38h | Jaffa: + you will get developers unwilling to go throughthe autobuild process, even if they have no problem opening source code |
| 08:32.36 | GeneralAntilles | skibur, included by default with Diablo. |
| 08:33.12 | X-Fade | RST38h: Or you just take a deep breath and wait a week to see what happens when the dust settles. |
| 08:33.24 | RST38h | X-Fade: Yea, this was my original plan |
| 08:33.43 | wazd | Is it possible to make some kind of desktop applet to click it and NIT's memorycards will wirelessly be mounted as network harddrives?) |
| 08:33.49 | RST38h | X-Fade: Wait for a month or two, see nice empty diablo Extras, then talk to you =) |
| 08:33.51 | crashanddie | well, I'm off to run a few miles, and probably play some ball, cheers |
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| 08:34.06 | crashanddie | lcuk, I made some progress dreaming tonight, ttyl |
| 08:34.12 | skibur | what is the link to the repo? |
| 08:34.26 | crashanddie | wazd, yeah, probably |
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| 08:34.56 | wazd | That would be extremely handy |
| 08:34.57 | RST38h | But the sight of perfectly well working Chinook Extras being wrapped into red tape is kinda harsh to observe quietly |
| 08:34.59 | Jaffa | RST38h: there should be no barrier to entry for OSS developers: uploading source packages is /easier/ than not, and you're guaranteed no depenendcy issues for your users. |
| 08:35.01 | rm_you | yay SVN is up finally |
| 08:35.19 | RST38h | Jaffa: As I said, you can't expect every developer to be OSS |
| 08:35.19 | crashanddie | wazd, I might just integrate that into my remote control program |
| 08:35.32 | wazd | that would be awesome :) |
| 08:35.33 | rm_you | RST38h: again, I just did it for the first time, and I found it easier than dput |
| 08:35.43 | RST38h | Jaffa: And the most important thing is not the source code but package availability to the users |
| 08:35.57 | crashanddie | wazd, if you want an easy solution, write a small daemon that will sit and wait for incoming connections, once connected, launch the mount command, done |
| 08:36.00 | Jaffa | RST38h: Yes, and I've said we should find a way of enabling non-free binary uploads. But free packages should always be uploaded as source. |
| 08:36.15 | crashanddie | wazd, not very profound, security wise, but it'll do the trick atm |
| 08:36.48 | crashanddie | wazd, you could probably also do that just using netcat, and a very small shell script (2, maybe 3 lines ?) |
| 08:36.51 | X-Fade | RST38h: And don't forget that you can always point people to the chinook repo. |
| 08:36.52 | Jaffa | RST38h: no, the most important thing is package availability to users now *and in the future*. Binary only packages are getting bitrotted, and source will mean that chinook -> diablo -> fremantle extras can be migrated most of the time automatically |
| 08:36.58 | crashanddie | anyway, see you later |
| 08:37.38 | RST38h | X-Fade: What happens to app manager when it sees both Chinook and Diablo Extras though? |
| 08:37.43 | wazd | I'm not very familliar with scripts'n'stuff :( |
| 08:37.50 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, nothing exciting. |
| 08:38.09 | GeneralAntilles | I had Bora and Chinook for several months without any issues. |
| 08:38.09 | RST38h | Jaffa: Very cool. Probably won't work. |
| 08:38.15 | X-Fade | RST38h: The fun starts when there are different versions. The same doesn't matter. |
| 08:38.38 | Blafasel | I wonder if this simple "smart cable" might be the problem. Any "known to work" USB to Nokia charging adapters out there? |
| 08:39.03 | RST38h | X-Fade: Well, there guarantted to be different versions |
| 08:39.10 | crashanddie | wazd, I'll see if I can hack something together for ya, remind me to it every couple weeks :P |
| 08:39.15 | crashanddie | cheers ! |
| 08:39.17 | GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Talk:Programming_FM_radio/index.php&rcid=3047 |
| 08:39.19 | GeneralAntilles | Fun |
| 08:39.21 | X-Fade | RST38h: Well the newest version will be used. |
| 08:39.28 | RST38h | X-Fade: Unless you wanna backport diablo stuff to chinook repo automatically |
| 08:39.29 | wazd | awkay :) |
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| 08:47.48 | wazd | Aw, BTW, does anybody knows how to make a theme for "advanced backlight applet"?) |
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| 08:48.04 | RST38h | wazd: rm_you is your guy |
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| 08:48.37 | skibur | so there is now official diablo repo just a work around for the time being |
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| 08:48.53 | GeneralAntilles | There is an official Diablo repo |
| 08:48.55 | GeneralAntilles | Diablo Extras |
| 08:49.30 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/adv-backlight-icons.zip |
| 08:49.33 | GeneralAntilles | That's the iconset |
| 08:49.39 | GeneralAntilles | Just follow that naming scheme. |
| 08:49.56 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you can give you details on packaging. |
| 08:50.29 | wazd | Thanks General!) |
| 08:50.35 | skibur | all I see is maemo extra on the application manager |
| 08:51.03 | GeneralAntilles | skibur, and? |
| 08:51.08 | GeneralAntilles | That's Diablo Extras if you're in Diablo. . . . |
| 08:51.36 | skibur | o i c |
| 08:51.39 | skibur | duh |
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| 08:53.18 | rm_you | wazd: yeah, all you have to do is name the icons like that, and put them in a folder in the right place |
| 08:53.26 | skibur | https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/maemo_extras_diablo_rebuild.php |
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| 08:53.30 | skibur | nice |
| 08:53.32 | lardman | morning all |
| 08:54.00 | GeneralAntilles | Hey, lardman. |
| 08:54.14 | lardman | hi GeneralAntilles |
| 08:54.18 | rm_you | wazd: that place being their own folder (the name of the folder will be the display name of the iconset) in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/40x40/apps/adv-backlight/ |
| 08:54.59 | rm_you | wazd: once you make them, tar them up and send em to me and i'll include them in my future iconset release |
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| 08:56.15 | X-Fade | omweather 0.20.4 was breaking the desktop right? |
| 08:56.56 | hrw | yes |
| 08:57.05 | hrw | on settings call |
| 08:57.17 | X-Fade | Ok, then I won't import it in diablo extras yet.. |
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| 09:05.43 | hrw | X-Fade: wazd said that 0.21 in next week |
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| 09:08.16 | X-Fade | hrw: Ok, thanks.. |
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| 09:12.24 | hrw | X-Fade: does diablo extras has version bumped compared to chinook extras? |
| 09:12.28 | wazd | yaya, that's right :) |
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| 09:13.13 | rm_you | wazd: what kind of icon theme you makin? |
| 09:13.18 | X-Fade | hrw: These are the rebuilds from source packages. So they are the same versions as chinook. |
| 09:15.15 | hrw | and have different deps |
| 09:18.10 | wazd | Rm_you: well, I thought to make some more stylization for maemo original icons :) |
| 09:18.42 | wazd | without black dividing line |
| 09:19.35 | wazd | rm_you, are you an author?) |
| 09:19.41 | rm_you | ? |
| 09:19.47 | wazd | of the applet?) |
| 09:19.49 | rm_you | ah |
| 09:19.53 | rm_you | yeah i wrote it |
| 09:20.00 | wazd | Genius :) |
| 09:20.06 | rm_you | :P thanks |
| 09:20.17 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles was also an excellent assistant :P |
| 09:20.23 | rm_you | (he made the default iconset) |
| 09:20.25 | GeneralAntilles | and the idea man. :P |
| 09:20.29 | rm_you | :P |
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| 09:20.30 | wazd | :D |
| 09:20.46 | wazd | BTW, I want to suggest to add gradations to the volume |
| 09:21.04 | wazd | Actual volume have 6 or 7 levels |
| 09:21.13 | GeneralAntilles | 100, actually. |
| 09:21.20 | rm_you | lol |
| 09:21.21 | wazd | Noway!) |
| 09:22.15 | Jaffa | rm_you: have you implemented the volume scale logarithmically, so that 100 *sounds* twice as loud as 50. |
| 09:22.25 | rm_you | rofl |
| 09:22.46 | wazd | if you'll play an audio and increase the volume - you'll hear the strong levelups of volume :) |
| 09:22.56 | rm_you | I have done no implementation of volume, the system handles that ENTIRELY just by adding the HildonVolumeBar widget :P |
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| 09:24.11 | wazd | but it earlier versions d-pad keys set the volume up and down not by 1 level but by 1 real gradation :) It was pretty handy :) |
| 09:24.50 | GeneralAntilles | You can configure the dpad change rate. |
| 09:25.05 | GeneralAntilles | fails at english |
| 09:25.10 | GeneralAntilles | Change interval |
| 09:25.19 | RST38h | [E]nglish, too... |
| 09:25.23 | RST38h | ;) |
| 09:26.09 | rm_you | X-Fade: next question |
| 09:26.12 | rm_you | svn: Commit failed (details follow): |
| 09:26.12 | rm_you | svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/svn/pyshop/itemClass.py' |
| 09:26.12 | rm_you | svn: PROPFIND of '/svn/pyshop/itemClass.py': 302 Found (https://svn.garage.maemo.org) |
| 09:26.18 | rm_you | Am I being stupid again somehow? >_> |
| 09:26.31 | rm_you | wazd: yeah |
| 09:26.56 | rm_you | wazd: if you got 0.9b-2 from diablo extras, the settings page has controls for the jump level for hardware buttons |
| 09:27.08 | forge | You've svn added itemClass.py and then manually deleted it before the commit |
| 09:27.17 | rm_you | ... |
| 09:27.26 | forge | Issue svn rm on the file or if that doesn't work try svn up followed by other stuff |
| 09:27.30 | rm_you | it's definitely there |
| 09:27.45 | forge | umm :) |
| 09:29.31 | rm_you | ok |
| 09:29.34 | rm_you | this is what i did: |
| 09:29.46 | aquatix | rm_you: new applet looks nice! |
| 09:29.52 | rm_you | aquatix: :) |
| 09:29.55 | rm_you | svn checkout https://svn.garage.maemo.org/svn/pyshop |
| 09:30.02 | aquatix | still crashed with that change-volume-for-first-time thing though :( |
| 09:30.09 | rm_you | cd pyshop/ |
| 09:30.20 | rm_you | cp ../Shopping/*.py . |
| 09:30.29 | rm_you | svn add * |
| 09:30.37 | rm_you | svn ci -m "First checkin." |
| 09:30.39 | rm_you | and thats IT |
| 09:30.51 | rm_you | aquatix: yeah, that bug still eludes capture |
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| 09:31.34 | aquatix | rm_you: Heisenbugs are a big joy... |
| 09:31.49 | aquatix | erm |
| 09:31.53 | aquatix | or however those are called |
| 09:32.23 | aquatix | ah, yes - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heisenbug |
| 09:32.31 | macoute | anyone from finland? |
| 09:32.42 | macoute | did areena.yle.fi work before diablo? |
| 09:33.15 | rm_you | forge: http://pastebin.org/46488 |
| 09:33.20 | rm_you | X-Fade: http://pastebin.org/46488 |
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| 09:34.13 | hrw | updating icon cache takes time... |
| 09:34.28 | rm_you | yes :( |
| 09:35.38 | hrw | cool.. updated adv-bl and got desktop restart on first tap |
| 09:35.59 | RST38h | rm_you: is advanced backlight control actually written in Python? =) |
| 09:36.16 | rm_you | RST38h: lol no |
| 09:36.18 | rm_you | C |
| 09:36.21 | RST38h | heh |
| 09:36.36 | rm_you | dusting off my Python skills by writing a shopping list application :P |
| 09:36.44 | RST38h | =) |
| 09:36.48 | GeneralAntilles | hrw, known bug. Volume change causes crash first time. |
| 09:36.49 | rm_you | also, i need to go shopping, so i need to make a list, and I can't find a pen >_> hence, dilemma |
| 09:37.07 | rm_you | hrw: if you want you can help try to track it down :P |
| 09:37.15 | RST38h | rm_you: Maemopad+ ! |
| 09:37.25 | hrw | rm_you: propably it is deep in hildon |
| 09:37.27 | rm_you | I could use any help people can give with this, it is entirely eluding me |
| 09:37.35 | RST38h | not likely |
| 09:37.41 | RST38h | it is most likely something real stupid |
| 09:37.48 | RST38h | rm_you: are you using gconf? |
| 09:37.50 | rm_you | I also guess that |
| 09:37.53 | rm_you | RST38h: yes |
| 09:38.06 | rm_you | RST38h: but i quadruple+ checked my gconf code |
| 09:38.09 | rm_you | it all works |
| 09:38.13 | RST38h | rm_you: When you access it for the first time, there are still no values there, right? |
| 09:38.32 | rm_you | RST38h: you can change settings, etc fine, and those all use gconf |
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| 09:38.40 | rm_you | and then AFTER that, you can change volume and it explodes still |
| 09:39.05 | RST38h | Maybe it has to deal with non-existing gconf values? |
| 09:39.08 | rm_you | and i have checks in place to make sure the gconf object is initialized |
| 09:39.22 | RST38h | I.e. you read a missing value and assume it will give you the default but it does not? |
| 09:39.27 | rm_you | i'm setting one, it should autocreate it if it doesnt exist |
| 09:39.47 | rm_you | and it DOES exist, as it is the volume setting gconf value |
| 09:39.55 | rm_you | if it werent there, the NORMAL volume app would fail |
| 09:40.50 | RST38h | hmmm |
| 09:40.56 | rm_you | RST38h: please, look at the code |
| 09:40.58 | hrw | does someone has white icons for Presense applet? |
| 09:41.01 | rm_you | it is in the garage SVN |
| 09:41.06 | RST38h | rm_you: checking |
| 09:41.15 | RST38h | Could you give me a direct URL is possible? |
| 09:41.19 | rm_you | yes sec |
| 09:41.28 | RST38h | hrw: +1 - I hate the default ones |
| 09:42.18 | aquatix | hm, monochrome present icons, i think i'll like those too |
| 09:42.34 | aquatix | btw, is that rtcomm hack updated for diablo yet? |
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| 09:42.47 | hrw | wants icq in rtcomm |
| 09:42.51 | hrw | it was in chinook |
| 09:42.56 | aquatix | yeah, same here |
| 09:43.06 | RST38h | hrw: rtcom is not in diablo, you have to install it |
| 09:43.16 | aquatix | but that was after i installed it |
| 09:43.35 | RST38h | what is rtcom hack? rtcom itself works in diablo |
| 09:43.39 | hrw | RST38h: ok - then I want icq in presense applet (nevermind which part of system it is) |
| 09:43.54 | rm_you | RST38h: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/advanced-backlight.c?root=adv-backlight&view=markup |
| 09:44.01 | RST38h | hrw: it does work (with rtcom installed), doesn't it? |
| 09:44.04 | aquatix | RST38h: ah, i remember it as a `hack', because you had to do `advanced stuff', but rtcomm itself is enough indeed |
| 09:44.26 | hrw | RST38h: iirc I had a problems with it |
| 09:44.30 | RST38h | aquatix: just apt-get from command line |
| 09:44.41 | RST38h | aquatix: forget advanced stuff (i.e. red pill) |
| 09:44.49 | aquatix | RST38h: kk :) |
| 09:45.08 | RST38h | hrw: Well, rtcom is screwed up, but it is IMHO. Our good General here will not agree. |
| 09:45.20 | GeneralAntilles | rtcomm is shipped with Diablo |
| 09:45.21 | RST38h | But rtcom still works |
| 09:45.28 | rm_you | X-Fade: you there |
| 09:45.29 | GeneralAntilles | The beta with the additional Telepathy plugins is not. |
| 09:45.30 | rm_you | ? |
| 09:45.52 | GeneralAntilles | The Collabora Telepathy plugins are the way to go. |
| 09:45.58 | GeneralAntilles | Less work than installing the beta. |
| 09:46.05 | RST38h | rm_you: Can I ask for a favor? |
| 09:46.15 | rm_you | RST38h: ? |
| 09:46.31 | andre___ | hmm, so diablo does not ship osso-ic anymore. this also means that osso-wlan has been superceded by libicd-network-wlan? |
| 09:46.47 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: ah k, i'll look up those then |
| 09:46.50 | RST38h | rm_you: In the span of code which crashes, add printf("111\n"); after each line (where 111 changes) and tell me which line kills it |
| 09:46.57 | GeneralAntilles | The Collabora repo is on gronmayer |
| 09:47.02 | RST38h | GA: Could you elaborate on this one? |
| 09:47.12 | GeneralAntilles | Just need to install the accounts plugin and whichever Telepathy plugins you want. |
| 09:47.22 | rm_you | RST38h: yeah I tried something like that... see the debug output? |
| 09:47.23 | RST38h | GA: So, rtcom-beta != telepathy? |
| 09:47.24 | GeneralAntilles | Just add the Collabora repo from gronmayer |
| 09:47.37 | RST38h | rm_you: where? |
| 09:47.41 | RST38h | Added |
| 09:47.58 | GeneralAntilles | Install the accounts plugin at the top of the list, then install whichever Telepathy plugins you want. |
| 09:48.11 | RST38h | I see...and the beta thing can be removed |
| 09:48.13 | GeneralAntilles | rtcomm |
| 09:48.38 | GeneralAntilles | The telepathy plugins are actually a subset of what's installed with the beta installation, I believe. |
| 09:49.15 | RST38h | The way it looked to me, the 34kB rtcom-beta package was an umbrella thing that causes installation of other packages |
| 09:49.26 | GeneralAntilles | Right |
| 09:49.30 | RST38h | but it doesn't do anything on its own. I may be wrong though |
| 09:50.02 | GeneralAntilles | It pulls in additional stuff from the rtcomm beta repo and updates some system packages. |
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| 09:50.47 | rm_you | RST38h: http://pastebin.org/45296 |
| 09:50.55 | rm_you | RST38h: there you can see on line 30 it dies |
| 09:51.08 | rm_you | and all of my debug output is above |
| 09:51.40 | rm_you | and the problem is, except for all of the *crash* stuff AFTER my program's last line of output, there is no difference there from a normal run |
| 09:51.54 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: ``Install the accounts plugin at the top of the list''? |
| 09:51.57 | rm_you | IE, my program outputs the same stuff whether it crashes or not... the crash happens after it is done |
| 09:51.59 | rm_you | with everything |
| 09:52.21 | RST38h | rm_you: aha |
| 09:52.24 | GeneralAntilles | aquatix, 'account-plugin-haze' |
| 09:52.31 | aquatix | ah, check |
| 09:52.35 | aquatix | missed that one |
| 09:52.40 | rm_you | RST38h: ? |
| 09:52.47 | rm_you | AH |
| 09:52.59 | RST38h | rm_you: I am starting to suspect what happens |
| 09:53.07 | rm_you | i didn't notice before, i set the gconf value, and then it gets a gconf-notify and gets the same value it just set |
| 09:53.13 | rm_you | hrm |
| 09:53.19 | rm_you | is that what you saw? or something else? |
| 09:54.20 | RST38h | rm_you: I do not see word *crash* in this output |
| 09:54.24 | rm_you | well |
| 09:54.32 | rm_you | right, that was what i refer to as everything after line 30 |
| 09:54.43 | rm_you | err, after line 29 |
| 09:55.31 | RST38h | Jun 21 23:38:03 Nokia-N800-51-3 DSME: process '/usr/bin/hildon-desktop ' with pid 1640 exited with signal: 11 |
| 09:55.31 | RST38h | Jun 21 23:38:03 Nokia-N800-51-3 DSME: process '/usr/bin/hildon-desktop ' exited and restarted with pid 1726 |
| 09:55.32 | RST38h | Jun 21 23:38:03 Nokia-N800-51-3 maemo-launcher[1062]: child (pid=1641) terminated due to signal=11 |
| 09:55.37 | RST38h | This one? |
| 09:55.40 | rm_you | yes |
| 09:55.53 | rm_you | well |
| 09:55.53 | RST38h | So you are somehow messing up hildon-desktop... |
| 09:56.05 | rm_you | literally line 29+ does not show up when it works correctly |
| 09:56.08 | rm_you | so that includes: |
| 09:56.17 | rm_you | Jun 21 23:38:02 Nokia-N800-51-3 icd 1.2.31[1166]: Service 'com.nokia.osso_statusbar_cpu' no longer exists. |
| 09:56.17 | rm_you | Jun 21 23:38:02 Nokia-N800-51-3 ke_recv[1045]: sig_handler:718: hildon-desktop registered to system bus |
| 09:56.38 | rm_you | but that is just a side effect of hildon-desktop dying |
| 09:56.39 | rm_you | so yeah |
| 09:56.47 | rm_you | err, dieing, not changing the color of something :P |
| 09:57.14 | RST38h | rm_you: These messages do not come from your program |
| 09:57.28 | rm_you | right |
| 09:57.30 | RST38h | they come from dead hildon-desktop that no longer responds |
| 09:57.34 | rm_you | yes |
| 09:57.39 | RST38h | BUT |
| 09:57.41 | rm_you | which is caused by my program somehow |
| 09:57.51 | RST38h | This does not mean your program terminates successfully |
| 09:58.05 | RST38h | It just means that your program crashes AFTER the last message is printed |
| 09:58.23 | rm_you | i know |
| 09:58.27 | RST38h | Last message is "adv-backlight getting volume". Checking further... |
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| 10:01.06 | RST38h | rm_you: this happens the first time you move volume knob, right? |
| 10:01.10 | rm_you | yes |
| 10:01.18 | rm_you | and then never again, even when moving the same knob |
| 10:01.30 | rm_you | i think it might be something IN gconf_notify_func |
| 10:01.30 | hrw | GeneralAntilles: thx for hint - icq works now |
| 10:01.34 | rm_you | but after it gets the volume |
| 10:02.20 | rm_you | RST38h: note that the pastebin there shows "getting volume" twice after gconf_notified, that is because the code was getting it twice in that function, but i changed the code since that log was generated, so it actually only says that once now |
| 10:02.22 | rm_you | if that makes sense |
| 10:02.34 | rm_you | you can look at gconf_notify_func in revision... 7, i think |
| 10:02.37 | rm_you | and see what i mean |
| 10:02.54 | Stskeeps | rm_you: i had same SVN problem as you |
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| 10:03.07 | rm_you | Stskeeps: ah! solution? |
| 10:03.19 | Stskeeps | rm_you: none, get garage people to stop using custom 404 pages for SVN path |
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| 10:04.14 | RST38h | rm_you: I think I know |
| 10:04.47 | rm_you | ? |
| 10:04.49 | hrw | rm_you: adv-bl icons were paint as bitmaps or vector? |
| 10:04.59 | rm_you | hrw: I believe bitmaps, ask GeneralAntilles |
| 10:05.09 | hrw | GeneralAntilles: adv-bl icons were paint as bitmaps or vector? |
| 10:05.13 | rm_you | RST38h: ? |
| 10:05.13 | RST38h | rm_you: replace "double" with "int" wherever you use get_vlume_gconf |
| 10:05.14 | GeneralAntilles | Half and half |
| 10:05.23 | GeneralAntilles | The volume side is a direct lift from the Nokia icon, so that's a bitmap |
| 10:05.24 | rm_you | RST38h: ah? |
| 10:05.29 | GeneralAntilles | the brightness side is a vector |
| 10:05.29 | RST38h | See if it makes things work. If it does not, there is a few other ideas |
| 10:05.42 | hrw | GeneralAntilles: can you share vectors? |
| 10:05.52 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm, will psd work? |
| 10:06.12 | hrw | ok - I thought svg rather ;D |
| 10:06.18 | hrw | -> off for now |
| 10:07.43 | RST38h | rm_you: You are calling update_icon() after volume has been changed, right? |
| 10:07.47 | rm_you | RST38h: yes |
| 10:07.53 | aquatix | is online with icq etc again o/ |
| 10:08.03 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: thanks |
| 10:08.18 | aquatix | contact merging time... |
| 10:09.00 | GeneralAntilles | Be sure to spread the Collabora solution around, it's a lot lower impact than the full-on beta. |
| 10:09.09 | aquatix | indeed |
| 10:09.20 | aquatix | and it works just fine |
| 10:09.38 | RST38h | rm_you: move away from doubles, if it does not help, will look at update_icon() |
| 10:10.49 | rm_you | RST38h: it may have |
| 10:10.51 | rm_you | not sure... |
| 10:10.54 | rm_you | X-Fade: ack |
| 10:11.09 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: ACK |
| 10:11.43 | rm_you | check your tablet... does advanced-backlight have an icon in the control panel's applet list? |
| 10:11.51 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 10:11.54 | rm_you | @*(&$ |
| 10:12.00 | rm_you | mine either |
| 10:12.00 | rm_you | wtf |
| 10:12.25 | GeneralAntilles | lol, didn't we do this about 6 months ago? :P |
| 10:13.20 | rm_you | yes |
| 10:13.42 | rm_you | i think the extras assistant build process killed it somehow |
| 10:14.40 | GeneralAntilles | Oh god! It's self-aware! |
| 10:14.46 | GeneralAntilles | KILLIT!KILLIT!KILLIT! |
| 10:15.08 | rm_you | lol |
| 10:15.14 | towo | Emergency containment procedures! |
| 10:15.15 | rm_you | nah maybe it was my bad... checking |
| 10:15.21 | RST38h | And kill it for good |
| 10:15.28 | towo | with FIRE. |
| 10:15.36 | aquatix | hm, some of the telepathy IM plugins don't have an icon |
| 10:15.45 | aquatix | towo: plasma! |
| 10:15.52 | towo | FIREPLASMA. |
| 10:16.12 | GeneralAntilles | aquatix, consequence of not going with the beta method. |
| 10:16.22 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: :) |
| 10:16.30 | aquatix | doesn't quite care for those icons |
| 10:17.27 | RST38h | maybe you DO have to go with the beta method? |
| 10:17.38 | GeneralAntilles | No. . . . |
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| 10:17.48 | GeneralAntilles | The IM works fine, you just don't get icons. |
| 10:18.05 | RST38h | but how do you know which service is which then? |
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| 10:27.00 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: more branding fun: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3312 |
| 10:28.44 | GAN800 | Hehe |
| 10:28.49 | aquatix | RST38h: you name them? |
| 10:29.04 | aquatix | hm, can't i just add icons? |
| 10:29.23 | rm_you | ummmm |
| 10:29.25 | rm_you | X-Fade: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/advanced-backlight_0.9b-3/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt |
| 10:29.28 | rm_you | WTF? |
| 10:29.31 | GAN800 | aquatix, I'm sure. |
| 10:29.33 | rm_you | that doesn't look like a problem on my end |
| 10:30.11 | aquatix | goes looking for more info |
| 10:31.06 | GAN800 | Jaffa, I can't imagine where they came up with that package name. |
| 10:32.25 | X-Fade | rm_you: Can you submit the package again? |
| 10:32.49 | rm_you | X-Fade: yeah |
| 10:32.51 | X-Fade | rm_you: There is a problem with the firewall of the isp. We're already working on getting that fixed. |
| 10:32.55 | rm_you | ok |
| 10:33.00 | rm_you | X-Fade: what about this one: |
| 10:33.14 | rm_you | http://pastebin.org/46488 |
| 10:34.02 | X-Fade | rm_you: Did you do a svn commit? |
| 10:34.11 | rm_you | yes |
| 10:34.15 | rm_you | ... |
| 10:34.23 | X-Fade | Don't see it in the paste.. |
| 10:34.40 | rm_you | line 8 |
| 10:35.20 | X-Fade | Hmm yeah, sorry ;) |
| 10:35.33 | rm_you | yeah, i use shorthand <_< |
| 10:36.58 | X-Fade | rm_you: Is that svn problem still present? |
| 10:37.01 | rm_you | yes |
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| 10:41.42 | rm_you | RST38h: i'll be impressed if that fixed it |
| 10:41.58 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: install this: http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/advanced-backlight_0.9b-3_armel.deb |
| 10:43.21 | Jaffa | X-Fade: btw, did you determine if account creation date was in the midgard db? |
| 10:43.40 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: wait |
| 10:43.54 | GAN800 | <_< |
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| 10:46.52 | rm_you | RST38h: nope, didn't fix it |
| 10:46.58 | rm_you | RST38h: more ideas? |
| 10:48.33 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Yes, we have the creation date available in midgard. (Just checked) |
| 10:49.54 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Did you join 2007-05-18? |
| 10:50.28 | rm_you | X-Fade: so, any clue on the SVN thing? still doing it |
| 10:51.51 | Jaffa | X-Fade: err, dunno. Let me check my email |
| 10:52.04 | Jaffa | X-Fade: isn't that the midgard migration date? |
| 10:53.33 | eichi | what is the way for refleshing with the most ported configs? copy intern memory?+backup? or only backup and reconfigurate? |
| 10:54.11 | Jaffa | X-Fade: garage account was 2006-07-11. Extras upload 2007-01-22. But that date'll do for the council page. |
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| 10:57.53 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Yeah, that was probably the date we reloaded the database. |
| 10:58.52 | rm_you | X-Fade: still failing on the builder, and SVN |
| 10:59.15 | X-Fade | rm_you: I'm going to get some lunch first and then I will look into it. |
| 10:59.22 | rm_you | ok :( |
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| 11:00.07 | RST38h | back |
| 11:00.25 | RST38h | rm_you: Checking icon code |
| 11:01.14 | rm_you | RST38h: the worst part is, SOMETIMES it doesn't crash on first load, if the change to the code isn't very big |
| 11:01.25 | rm_you | which means its something with a memory location getting changed |
| 11:01.38 | rm_you | or something not initializing correctly |
| 11:01.45 | RST38h | Means something is not initialized on startup |
| 11:01.57 | RST38h | rm_you: Just to be sure, get rid of ceil() |
| 11:02.01 | rm_you | where |
| 11:02.06 | RST38h | update_icon |
| 11:02.16 | RST38h | do (volume+24)/25 |
| 11:02.47 | rm_you | (int)(ceil((double)volume / 25.0)) |
| 11:02.50 | rm_you | that? |
| 11:03.01 | RST38h | yep |
| 11:03.08 | rm_you | does it do the same thing? lol |
| 11:03.08 | RST38h | also sprintf() is unsafe in that function |
| 11:03.15 | rm_you | i am HORRIBLE at math |
| 11:03.24 | RST38h | it does, I just don't want to debug Nokia's fp library |
| 11:03.28 | rm_you | did i seriously use something besides snprintf? |
| 11:03.48 | RST38h | Not necessarily, just make sure your theme name does not exceed a certian number of chars |
| 11:04.42 | RST38h | rm_you: I would sprinkle update_icon() with printf()s just to see if program really crashes inside this function |
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| 11:05.33 | Jaffa | X-Fade: still, that's perfect. Thanks very much |
| 11:06.28 | RST38h | rm_you: same goes for set_volume_gconf(). After you "enrich" them with printfs (lots of them including one on entry and one on exit), run the applet and see if you can make it crash |
| 11:06.47 | RST38h | rm_you: these are two most likely candidates for crashing |
| 11:07.10 | rm_you | RST38h: every function there has a printf on entry and exit |
| 11:07.53 | RST38h | oh, I see. This simplifies things. |
| 11:09.17 | lcuk | debug by shotgun :) works everytime |
| 11:09.22 | lcuk | -/me |
| 11:09.27 | rm_you | lol |
| 11:09.45 | RST38h | rm_you: Please place extra printf at the exit from gconf_notify_func |
| 11:10.00 | rm_you | yeah i just added a lot there |
| 11:10.07 | rm_you | refresh SVN to rev 10 in a sec |
| 11:11.57 | RST38h | also show new output =) |
| 11:12.54 | rm_you | ? |
| 11:13.33 | RST38h | well, if you added printfs they should show up in the debugging output |
| 11:13.46 | RST38h | And I only have your previous debug output |
| 11:13.57 | rm_you | ? |
| 11:14.00 | rm_you | I have printfs |
| 11:14.06 | rm_you | well, it goes to syslog |
| 11:14.13 | rm_you | printf gets lost in the void |
| 11:14.20 | RST38h | well, syslog printfs :) |
| 11:14.29 | RST38h | you know what I mean |
| 11:14.44 | macoute | why can't i install bash on diablo? |
| 11:14.53 | macoute | do i need to remove busybox? (phew..) |
| 11:15.23 | rm_you | RST38h: there ARE a lot of those printfs there... |
| 11:15.26 | rm_you | where do you want more? |
| 11:15.28 | rm_you | macoute: bash3 |
| 11:15.36 | RST38h | rm_you: I see you have added some more? |
| 11:15.42 | rm_you | macoute: look for bash3 on gronmayer |
| 11:15.47 | macoute | rm_you: ok |
| 11:15.50 | rm_you | RST38h: yes |
| 11:15.52 | RST38h | rm_you: Could you crash it with the new ones and show me the output? =) |
| 11:15.57 | RST38h | is solving a puzzle |
| 11:16.01 | rm_you | RST38h: oh, you just want to see it |
| 11:16.07 | rm_you | sorry yeah |
| 11:16.07 | RST38h | of course |
| 11:17.12 | GeneralAntilles | bash is available from nitapps.com |
| 11:18.06 | Jaffa | Yay. Spam. |
| 11:18.48 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 11:18.51 | GeneralAntilles | That's two this morning. |
| 11:18.56 | Jaffa | I like the "rollback" button |
| 11:19.00 | GeneralAntilles | Persistent buggers. |
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| 11:22.43 | rm_you | RST38h: http://pastebin.org/46507 |
| 11:23.44 | rm_you | so... gconf_notify terminates. |
| 11:23.47 | rm_you | wtf |
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| 11:28.47 | RST38h | rm_you: aha |
| 11:28.55 | rm_you | aha? |
| 11:29.41 | rm_you | enlighten me? |
| 11:30.47 | lcuk | jaffa - is it free nokia phone spam? |
| 11:30.51 | lcuk | or spam in the wiki |
| 11:31.06 | RST38h | rm_you: crash occurs in gconf_notify or its descendants |
| 11:31.48 | RST38h | rm_you: Change if (vbar != NULL) to if (0) and see if you can still crash it |
| 11:32.14 | GAN800 | wiki spam |
| 11:32.39 | rm_you | RST38h: what? I thought that proved that it DIDNT? |
| 11:32.54 | lcuk | GAN800, can't you get the actual ip of the spammer |
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| 11:33.24 | rm_you | anyway, i'm almost positive that it isn't in gconf_notify, because I commended out that entire function just a while ago and it still did the crash |
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| 11:33.26 | RST38h | rm_you: well, gconf_notify is a callback |
| 11:33.35 | rm_you | *commented |
| 11:33.35 | GAN800 | lcuk, no, not until something is changed with the http/https setup. |
| 11:33.50 | RST38h | rm_you: hildon calls it, callback screws up, exits, and kills hildon |
| 11:33.51 | GAN800 | Besides, it's probably not a single ip. |
| 11:34.37 | lcuk | GAN800, ok but its getting quite severe - is wikipedia afflicted this badly and how do they handle it if it is |
| 11:34.42 | RST38h | rm_you: so whatever is inside gconf_notify - likely to be not kosher. To test it, disable that if (vbar != NULL) statement and see if it stops app from crashing |
| 11:34.59 | GAN800 | lcuk, lots and lots of eyes. |
| 11:35.05 | rm_you | RST38h: how about if I comment out the line where i attach the gconf_notify function? |
| 11:35.27 | RST38h | rm_you: Nope, you still want gconf_notify to happen |
| 11:35.30 | GAN800 | lcuk, and bots that watch for external link spamming. |
| 11:35.31 | rm_you | why |
| 11:35.36 | rm_you | RST38h: it doesnt matter |
| 11:35.40 | RST38h | rm_you: To keep experiment conditions clean |
| 11:35.45 | rm_you | but |
| 11:36.02 | RST38h | rm_you: We want to prove that it is what gconf_notify DOES, not the function itself which is a problem |
| 11:36.05 | lcuk | gan :) that will be what it is then. okies |
| 11:36.28 | RST38h | rm_you: If you do not attach it, you will not know that for sure |
| 11:36.30 | rm_you | RST38h: but, if it still crashes without the function at all... then the problem can't be the function. right? |
| 11:36.43 | rm_you | is that logic correct? |
| 11:36.43 | RST38h | rm_you: Guess so |
| 11:36.46 | RST38h | yep |
| 11:36.50 | macoute | which is the dev file for bluetooth in n810? |
| 11:36.51 | rm_you | and it does... |
| 11:36.57 | RST38h | Unless you have got two problems of course but it is unlikely :) |
| 11:37.08 | RST38h | So you do not attach gconf_notify and it still crashes? |
| 11:37.13 | rm_you | correct |
| 11:37.20 | rm_you | I tried that an hour and a half ago |
| 11:37.22 | rm_you | i can try again |
| 11:37.25 | RST38h | All righty, next hypothesis |
| 11:37.35 | RST38h | If you can try it again, would appreciate it |
| 11:37.38 | rm_you | k |
| 11:37.42 | rm_you | i will make that change as you go on |
| 11:38.08 | lcuk | rm_you, didnt you have something ismilar occur the other day where you made a change and it was still called, but after you refreshed and rechecked it did the action you meant. |
| 11:38.32 | lcuk | ahhh no, it was something lardman was running through. rm_you - double check and confirm that the func is missing |
| 11:38.33 | rm_you | lcuk: i sorta remember that... |
| 11:38.38 | rm_you | hrm |
| 11:38.45 | rm_you | yeah, will do |
| 11:38.48 | RST38h | rm_you: Next idea: look at set_volume_gconf |
| 11:39.20 | RST38h | In that function, disable update_icon(). If it still crashes, disable do_volume_beep. If it still crashes, disable gconf_client_set_int |
| 11:39.27 | RST38h | See when it stops crashing |
| 11:39.42 | macoute | shouldn it be /dev/rfcomm0 or something? |
| 11:40.11 | rm_you | RST38h: this bug has existed before i put in the volume beep... but i will do that for you anyway |
| 11:40.22 | rm_you | i'm desperate |
| 11:41.13 | lcuk | go to the toilet then |
| 11:42.13 | rm_you | RST38h: did all that, still crashing |
| 11:42.16 | RST38h | ok |
| 11:43.00 | rm_you | RST38h: refresh revision 12 |
| 11:43.15 | RST38h | aha |
| 11:43.19 | rm_you | aha?! |
| 11:43.22 | rm_you | you keep doing that |
| 11:43.23 | rm_you | >_< |
| 11:43.42 | lcuk | i think thats what he types when he farts |
| 11:44.24 | RST38h | Will "uhum" work? =) |
| 11:44.30 | lcuk | rm, put up a log of the crash |
| 11:44.37 | lcuk | new log with latest everything |
| 11:44.47 | RST38h | rm_you: You have not commented out gconf_client_set_int |
| 11:45.08 | rm_you | err sec where |
| 11:45.13 | rm_you | must have missed that |
| 11:46.01 | RST38h | see if this makes the crash disappear though =) |
| 11:46.06 | GAN800 | lol |
| 11:47.28 | rm_you | RST38h: *maybe* |
| 11:47.51 | rm_you | didn't crash ONCE, but not a verified 100% fix |
| 11:48.04 | rm_you | GAN800: install http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/advanced-backlight.so |
| 11:48.17 | rm_you | to /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/ |
| 11:48.28 | rm_you | remember to disable applet first |
| 11:48.41 | GAN800 | Yeah, yeah. :P |
| 11:48.44 | rm_you | :P |
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| 11:49.02 | rm_you | RST38h: so, if that IS it... |
| 11:49.11 | rm_you | there is nothing wrong with my gconf call |
| 11:49.16 | rm_you | that i see |
| 11:49.25 | rm_you | I even have safeguards there |
| 11:49.46 | lcuk | a safeguard |
| 11:50.03 | lcuk | what if localvbar is still null |
| 11:50.59 | rm_you | errr |
| 11:51.02 | rm_you | not possible? |
| 11:51.10 | rm_you | you had to click on it to call that function! |
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| 11:51.14 | lcuk | i dunno, its passed as a parameter from somewhere |
| 11:51.25 | rm_you | from the callback |
| 11:51.38 | RST38h | rm_you: So, no crashes? =) |
| 11:51.40 | melmoth | http://www.adopteunmec.com/view2.php?id=1257203 |
| 11:51.41 | rm_you | i say "not possible", but |
| 11:51.46 | melmoth | oups :-) |
| 11:51.53 | rm_you | i still question whether you are correct :P |
| 11:52.06 | rm_you | GAN800: well? crash? |
| 11:52.06 | RST38h | is not correct, but he is on to something |
| 11:52.40 | RST38h | rm_you: uncomment update_icon() and do_volume_beep() btw |
| 11:53.00 | GAN800 | No fix |
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| 11:53.11 | lcuk | change it to emit a debug, store result of this in an int variable (int)hildon_volumebar_get_level(localvbar) display the result, then apply it |
| 11:53.16 | lcuk | ahhh |
| 11:53.21 | lcuk | so still not right anyway |
| 11:53.30 | RST38h | crash? |
| 11:53.38 | lcuk | lol @ stone soup group, rm is being pulled in a hundred ways :D |
| 11:53.38 | rm_you | GAN800: ? |
| 11:53.42 | rm_you | does that mean it crashed? |
| 11:54.44 | rm_you | GAN800: ? |
| 11:55.15 | lcuk | good luck, ill get back to work. let me know how it goes later |
| 11:55.21 | rm_you | k |
| 11:55.28 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, it crashed. |
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| 11:55.51 | rm_you | damn! |
| 11:56.20 | RST38h | GA: Could you repeat it? |
| 11:56.46 | rm_you | no |
| 11:56.48 | rm_you | not repeatable |
| 11:56.53 | rm_you | that's the whole problem |
| 11:57.49 | RST38h | then let us assume that the gconf update was the cause of this problem |
| 11:58.39 | aquatix | ok, now that's weird |
| 11:58.48 | aquatix | now i have icons for my IM networks :) |
| 11:59.07 | aquatix | not sure whether installing skype did run an icon cache refresh or something |
| 11:59.26 | RST38h | rm_you: replace (int)hildon_volumebar_get_level(localvbar) with 0 and uncomment gconf_client_set_int |
| 11:59.35 | RST38h | See if it crashes again |
| 12:00.28 | rm_you | i did some of that... it gets the volume from the volumebar correctly |
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| 12:02.36 | Atarii | rm_you was there any progress with the backlight in 2008he? |
| 12:04.14 | RST38h | rm_you: but if you just write 0 to gconf without querying the volume, what happens? |
| 12:04.48 | GAN800 | Atarii, it should be easy to make it work directly if you have fanoush's backlight patches and backlight tool install. |
| 12:05.31 | rm_you | RST38h: sec |
| 12:05.43 | aquatix | hm, was it possible to synchronise the maemo contacts list with a pc or something? |
| 12:05.54 | Atarii | GAN800: reeto, i forgot about those, more jobs for today |
| 12:06.02 | aquatix | it uses the evolution data server right? |
| 12:06.17 | Jaffa | lcuk: wiki spam for hot teens |
| 12:06.25 | GAN800 | Right, lcuk. |
| 12:06.42 | GAN800 | er, s/lcuk/aquatix/ |
| 12:07.02 | aquatix | ok |
| 12:07.52 | rm_you | GAN800: try now |
| 12:08.01 | rm_you | GAN800: http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/advanced-backlight.so |
| 12:09.36 | GAN800 | No crash. :D |
| 12:09.48 | rm_you | hrm |
| 12:09.51 | rm_you | ok sec |
| 12:09.52 | GAN800 | No volume change though. |
| 12:09.54 | rm_you | still not positive |
| 12:10.40 | rm_you | who else has adv-backlight on n800/n810? |
| 12:10.43 | RST38h | so when you set 0 to gconf there is no crash? |
| 12:11.05 | rm_you | RST38h: no, that was this: |
| 12:11.18 | rm_you | /g_signal_connect (vbar, "level_changed", G_CALLBACK(set_volume_gconf), NULL); |
| 12:11.20 | rm_you | err |
| 12:11.21 | rm_you | / |
| 12:11.23 | rm_you | er |
| 12:11.24 | rm_you | // |
| 12:11.26 | RST38h | umgh |
| 12:11.30 | rm_you | commented it out :P |
| 12:11.33 | rm_you | lol |
| 12:11.40 | rm_you | well, now i know something |
| 12:11.43 | rm_you | *maybe* |
| 12:12.14 | RST38h | well removing this callback does the same thing as commenting out its contents |
| 12:12.26 | rm_you | yes |
| 12:12.29 | RST38h | Could you please place the callback back, but always set 0 to gconf? |
| 12:12.44 | rm_you | sec |
| 12:12.56 | RST38h | This way, we will know for sure if it is gconf's fault or the value |
| 12:14.25 | rm_you | i can't get it to crash even on other versions tho :/ |
| 12:14.32 | RST38h | hmmmmmmmm |
| 12:14.38 | RST38h | delete its gconf entry |
| 12:17.28 | rm_you | nm |
| 12:17.32 | rm_you | its crashing again |
| 12:17.42 | rm_you | and current code (rev13) *is* crashing |
| 12:18.30 | RST38h | ok |
| 12:19.09 | RST38h | So the problem *is* in that gconf_client_st_int |
| 12:19.20 | RST38h | whatever value you give to it |
| 12:19.29 | rm_you | yes |
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| 12:20.01 | RST38h | well there is a dead easy way to fix it |
| 12:20.42 | rm_you | ? |
| 12:20.47 | RST38h | In your postinst script, insert a line that *adds* your initial value to gconf :) |
| 12:20.55 | rm_you | err |
| 12:20.57 | rm_you | it isn't MY value |
| 12:21.04 | rm_you | it's a system value |
| 12:21.06 | RST38h | Alternatively, you can do this on initialization |
| 12:21.18 | RST38h | Then read it on initialization - if it is not there, create it |
| 12:21.21 | rm_you | it is always there on every tablet |
| 12:21.27 | rm_you | part of osso |
| 12:21.32 | RST38h | the volume value - yes |
| 12:21.35 | rm_you | yes |
| 12:21.40 | RST38h | but not the gconf value right? |
| 12:21.47 | rm_you | no, the gconf value |
| 12:21.54 | rm_you | that's part of osso |
| 12:21.59 | rm_you | it's how the system controls the volume |
| 12:22.06 | RST38h | So when your program start, make it check for the gconf value - if it is not there, create it and set it to the current volume control |
| 12:22.10 | rm_you | all the DEFAULT applet does is change that gconf value |
| 12:22.20 | rm_you | ... |
| 12:22.22 | RST38h | Same gconf value or its own? |
| 12:22.25 | rm_you | same |
| 12:22.40 | rm_you | and my applet's volumebar loads that gconf value as its default value |
| 12:22.41 | rm_you | which works |
| 12:22.57 | rm_you | when it opens, the volume bar is set to that level |
| 12:24.28 | RST38h | so it is the system gconf value not your own right? |
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| 12:26.06 | rm_you | yes |
| 12:26.58 | RST38h | all right. You have a gconf_client_add_dir in your code |
| 12:27.52 | RST38h | could you comment that call out, the uncomment gconf_client_set_int and try if the program works |
| 12:33.37 | rm_you | wtf |
| 12:33.42 | rm_you | it SETS IT CORRECTLY! |
| 12:33.46 | rm_you | *THEN* it crashes |
| 12:33.56 | rm_you | was watching gconf on the console |
| 12:36.20 | rm_you | RST38h: commenting that out doesnt help |
| 12:36.23 | rm_you | just tried. |
| 12:38.57 | rm_you | RST38h: but it is definitely that gconf_set_int |
| 12:39.05 | rm_you | i comment that out and it stops crashing |
| 12:39.21 | rm_you | i think i can get the error from that somehow if it crashes |
| 12:39.26 | rm_you | does C have try/catch? |
| 12:40.00 | aquatix | hm, a contact that is only through that Collabora telepathy plugin, doesn't show up as such in my speed contacts applet |
| 12:40.58 | RST38h | yep, it is motherfucking set_int |
| 12:41.19 | RST38h | a'ok, two directions from here: |
| 12:41.38 | RST38h | (1) checking what people on the net say about gconf_client_set_int |
| 12:41.54 | RST38h | (2) checking what other functions can be used to set its value |
| 12:42.08 | derf | You've got the source code for gconf_client_set_int(). |
| 12:42.16 | derf | Find out what's actually causing the crash. |
| 12:42.59 | derf | And no, C does not have exceptions. |
| 12:44.25 | RST38h | actually, this function does not cause a crash |
| 12:44.36 | RST38h | but something else touchedwhen calling it does |
| 12:45.09 | RST38h | and no, having the source for gconf_client_set_int won't help here unless you intend to debug the whole gconf framework |
| 12:45.44 | derf | And why not? It's not that much code. |
| 12:46.10 | rm_you | weird, but gconf_set_int isn't failing with an error |
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| 12:46.19 | rm_you | it just causes a crash |
| 12:46.33 | rm_you | but... doesn't return an error like it should |
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| 12:46.54 | rm_you | http://docs.linux.cz/programming/gnome/developer.gnome.org/doc/API/2.0/gconf/gconf-GConfClient.html#gconf-client-set-int |
| 12:47.21 | RST38h | derf: because nobody hired me to work on gnome |
| 12:47.43 | rm_you | why does it only crash ONCE |
| 12:47.55 | rm_you | and why only when i replace the binary for MY program |
| 12:47.59 | rm_you | that doesnt make ANY sense |
| 12:48.03 | RST38h | wait... |
| 12:48.05 | rm_you | headdesks |
| 12:48.19 | RST38h | what is the type of this field, from osso's point of view? |
| 12:48.24 | rm_you | int |
| 12:48.28 | RST38h | does osso store integers or floats there? |
| 12:48.29 | RST38h | ints? |
| 12:48.38 | rm_you | fairly positive its an int, yes |
| 12:48.39 | RST38h | Ok. Try gconf_client_set_string instead |
| 12:48.45 | rm_you | ? |
| 12:48.49 | RST38h | i.e. convert your value to string then set it |
| 12:48.57 | rm_you | wha? |
| 12:48.59 | RST38h | see if it works =) |
| 12:49.36 | RST38h | wait it will not work |
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| 12:51.44 | rm_you | definitely an int |
| 12:51.46 | RST38h | rm_you: Ok. The last argument to gconf_client_set_int is an optional pointer to return GError. |
| 12:51.49 | rm_you | lots of command line testing |
| 12:51.51 | rm_you | yes |
| 12:52.10 | RST38h | JUST to be sure, maybe it is worth passing a non-null there and seeing if it returns any error? |
| 12:52.15 | rm_you | i tried |
| 12:52.17 | rm_you | it doesn't |
| 12:52.22 | rm_you | unless i did it wrong |
| 12:52.30 | RST38h | Like a warning "I set, but screwed. Expect death." |
| 12:52.40 | RST38h | ok |
| 12:53.16 | RST38h | Can't replace it. Internet does not say anything bad about it. The last possible solution is to call it from a different place. |
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| 12:54.13 | rm_you | i could ... |
| 12:54.14 | rm_you | ooo |
| 12:54.16 | rm_you | DIRTY |
| 12:55.06 | andre___ | ...anybody knows about efforts to ship a font that covers most of the unicode spec? |
| 12:55.17 | rm_you | i could use g_spawn_async("gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/sound/master_volume --type int %d", volume_local) |
| 12:55.31 | rm_you | rofl |
| 12:58.03 | hrw | re |
| 12:58.11 | RST38h | urgh |
| 12:58.19 | RST38h | ok, I am out on a meeting |
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| 13:02.32 | rm_you | WOW |
| 13:02.50 | rm_you | even with g_spawn_commandline_async() doing the gconf value change, it still crashes |
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| 13:04.38 | rm_you | d8j92374j02q378fn401poIS0YNU`9DX6nh-&(*@&VCE$N( BZX *2]'vzamc |
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| 13:04.54 | rm_you | throws n800 at wall... almost |
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| 13:06.17 | rm_you | i'm going to... |
| 13:06.19 | rm_you | take a break |
| 13:06.47 | mgedmin | rm_you: can your code be seen on the net? |
| 13:06.52 | mgedmin | wants to know what not to do :-) |
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| 13:11.47 | rm_you | lol |
| 13:11.50 | rm_you | mgedmin: yeah it |
| 13:11.55 | rm_you | it is on the garage SVN |
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| 13:17.01 | rm_you | X-Fade: proxy still broken? >_> |
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| 13:17.49 | mgedmin | finds https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/advanced-backlight.c?root=adv-backlight&view=markup in irc log |
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| 13:20.34 | mgedmin | why gconf_value_get_int(gconf_client_get(ggclient, GVOLUME, NULL)) instead of gconf_client_get_int(ggclient, GVOLUME, NULL) ? |
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| 13:36.21 | rm_you | mgedmin: err, good point |
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| 13:40.28 | rm_you | see anything else? >_> |
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| 13:52.52 | mgedmin | no :/ |
| 14:03.21 | hrw | ~seen lardman |
| 14:03.21 | infobot | lardman <n=lardman@enpc-smm11.bath.ac.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 5h 9m 7s ago, saying: 'hi GeneralAntilles'. |
| 14:17.57 | mgedmin | didn't someone build cfdisk for maemo? |
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| 14:26.50 | RST38h | back |
| 14:27.18 | RST38h | rm_you: so, how are things? |
| 14:30.09 | rm_you | RST38h: i tried using g_spawn_commandline_async() to run gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/sound/master_volume --type int 50 |
| 14:30.12 | rm_you | and it still crashed |
| 14:30.20 | rm_you | i'm taking a break. |
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| 14:37.48 | RST38h | rm_you: I think it may be necessarily to call set_int from a different place |
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| 14:37.59 | RST38h | s/ily/ry/ |
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| 14:54.11 | cyberholic | hidi ho everyone. hope you are doing fine :) |
| 14:55.28 | cyberholic | i am trying to make a video call from my device to a win XP computer. therefor i installed gizmo on both, does anyone of you know if this works? i can chat, but neither video nor audio do work :( |
| 14:57.30 | johnx | I don't remember what version of gizmo on the tablet supports video |
| 14:57.37 | johnx | maybe it's only a beta version that does? |
| 14:58.02 | hrw | cyberholic: you do not need gizmo to make a call to gizmo user |
| 14:58.11 | cyberholic | hrw: i do not need it? |
| 14:58.41 | hrw | cyberholic: gizmo use SIP - you can add gizmo account as sip account in standard maemo accounts/presense |
| 15:00.12 | cyberholic | hrw: well. i am trying the "internet call" option from the "communications" menu. There i have entered my goolgle account but i can not find out how to add a gizmo contact. but is this what you are talkinga about? |
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| 15:02.02 | Sho_ | So, am I being stupid, or are the repositories for Diablo really rather empty still? In particular, the fact that I can't seem to find OpenSSH is handicapping me right now |
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| 15:02.19 | hrw | ~diablo |
| 15:02.20 | infobot | Fast and efficient NNTP newsfeeder software. URL: http://www.backplane.com/diablo/, or a better link-time optimizer. More information can be found at http://www.elis.ugent.be/diablo |
| 15:02.36 | hrw | Sho_: use chinook/extras |
| 15:03.03 | johnx | Sho_, in app manager edit maemo extras and type "chinook diablo" into the distribution field |
| 15:03.23 | hrw | cyberholic: GIZMOLOGIN@sip.siphone.com iirc - there was some infos in rtcomm |
| 15:03.54 | cyberholic | hrw: thnx. i ll try that one out |
| 15:04.03 | Sho_ | hrw, johnx: Hmkay, as long as that doesn't end up screwing up the package tree on the system in some way, mixing distros .. |
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| 15:04.32 | hrw | Sho_: both are os2008 |
| 15:04.42 | johnx | Sho_, it shouldn't. if you're worried, then be careful not to let it downgrade libraries or anything like that |
| 15:05.23 | Sho_ | ah well, if anything happens it's just a reflash anyway |
| 15:05.24 | Sho_ | thanks |
| 15:08.12 | johnx | Sho_, if it makes you feel any better, I installed openssh from chinook just fine the other day |
| 15:08.21 | aquatix | was about to say the same |
| 15:08.35 | johnx | also, the bump from chinook to diablo was not nearly as big as from bora to chinook |
| 15:08.57 | Sho_ | fair enough. it's just I'm a Gentoo guy and not a Debian expert, and unclear about the ramifications of feeding repositories for an older distro to a newer released :-) |
| 15:09.09 | Sho_ | s/released/release/ |
| 15:09.30 | Veggen | Why on earth do we need infobot to do that? |
| 15:09.39 | aquatix | wonders too |
| 15:09.42 | johnx | well, in a normal debian system it would be 100% harmless |
| 15:09.49 | Sho_ | sorry, if I had known I wouldn't have corrected myself ;) |
| 15:09.56 | aquatix | ~slap infobot |
| 15:09.57 | infobot | ACTION slaps infobot, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 15:10.07 | rm_you | i like it |
| 15:10.09 | johnx | infobot, stop hitting yourself |
| 15:10.10 | infobot | ACTION leaps to his feet and stops hitting yourself |
| 15:10.20 | aquatix | lol |
| 15:10.23 | rm_you | RST38h: where else would I do it? that's the function that needs to do it >_> |
| 15:12.04 | Atarii | is garage.maemo.org up? |
| 15:12.07 | Atarii | nvm |
| 15:13.22 | cyberholic | hrw: is there a tutorial how to setup my gizmo account as "internet call" account? |
| 15:13.55 | cyberholic | hrw: i mean, do you know of one? |
| 15:14.17 | hrw | cyberholic: rtcomm.garage.maemo.org maybe has something - do not remember now |
| 15:14.19 | aquatix | use it as sip account? |
| 15:14.53 | cyberholic | i am trying to set it up at "internet call" - my google talk account works perfect, but i want to try out video calls now. |
| 15:15.20 | rm_you | X-Fade: you back yet? |
| 15:15.46 | hrw | stupid gimp question: how to move pasted element? |
| 15:16.31 | aquatix | hrw: select the drag tool, then drag |
| 15:16.31 | hrw | I have 40x40 icon loaded and want to paste 20x40 element on it - but it lands in a middle and is not movable |
| 15:16.55 | sp3000 | (the 4way arrow thinger) |
| 15:17.02 | aquatix | hrw: move tool |
| 15:17.05 | aquatix | what sp3000 says |
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| 15:17.48 | sp3000 | you may want to consider converting the float into a proper layer depending on what you plan to do with it; there's a button under the layers iirc |
| 15:18.13 | hrw | thx |
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| 15:24.03 | crashanddie | I'm trying to find a library that will help me getting the spectrum of sound, any ideas ? |
| 15:24.18 | X-Fade | rm_you: pong. |
| 15:24.31 | derf | crashanddie: fftw |
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| 15:26.21 | cloakable | I'm sure many have asked this, but I've installed Diablo, and I'd like to get GPE back on. I can't find it in the application manager, though. |
| 15:26.40 | cloakable | Is there a Diablo repo for GPE? |
| 15:26.49 | crashanddie | derf, cheers ! |
| 15:27.12 | X-Fade | cloakable: A lot of gpe components are available in extras-devel for diablo. |
| 15:27.32 | cloakable | X-Fade: How do I enable extras-devel? |
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| 15:28.32 | X-Fade | cloakable: Copy the settings for the Maemo extras repository and replace extras by extras-devel ;) |
| 15:28.47 | cloakable | ahh, okay :) |
| 15:29.13 | X-Fade | cloakable: But it is the 'experimental' repository, so beware ;) |
| 15:31.24 | cloakable | X-Fade: Heh, that's okay. |
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| 15:32.11 | cloakable | My GPE is back in the application manager! Yay |
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| 15:32.50 | cloakable | hmm. |
| 15:33.04 | X-Fade | cloakable: The author is still missing some libs, so not everything is there. |
| 15:35.12 | cloakable | X-Fade: And gpesummary wants kernel-diablo-flasher, and I don't have root :P |
| 15:39.09 | mgedmin | cloakable: I'm pretty sure it doesn't really want that |
| 15:39.20 | mgedmin | it's the osso-software-version that wants kernel-diablo-flasher |
| 15:39.40 | mgedmin | a-m just lists all unsatisfied dependencies in that dialog, which ends up being a bit confusing |
| 15:39.55 | rm_you | X-Fade: yo |
| 15:40.02 | rm_you | X-Fade: svn still broken. >_> help? |
| 15:40.41 | X-Fade | rm_you: Are you sure it isn't your local setup? Can you do a clean check out on a different location? |
| 15:41.04 | cloakable | ahh |
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| 15:41.47 | cloakable | mgedmin: well, it stops it, and there's no way to run apt-get -f install on the tablet currently |
| 15:41.58 | mgedmin | cloakable: are you sure that's the only thing that stops it? |
| 15:42.10 | Stskeeps | rm_you: it was the svn add problem? |
| 15:42.12 | cloakable | gpe-calendar isn't there |
| 15:42.15 | mgedmin | I never saw fewer than four missing dependencies when I tried tos intall something in diablo |
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| 15:42.22 | mgedmin | the three irrelevant ones and the real ones |
| 15:42.31 | Stskeeps | rm_you: with PROPFIND 302 found? |
| 15:42.45 | rm_you | Stskeeps: yes |
| 15:43.00 | rm_you | X-Fade: i can do a clean checkout... but never any commit |
| 15:43.15 | rm_you | X-Fade: can you possibly look and see what is happening? |
| 15:43.16 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: i tried on two different OS'es. the reason it doesn't work is because there's a custom 404 error handler, which fucks svn up |
| 15:43.33 | cloakable | I guess I'll just wait for Diablo to stabilise, I guess. |
| 15:43.51 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: http://ynniv.com/blog/2005/12/troubling-svn-error.html |
| 15:45.01 | mgedmin | is so happy he only uses non-anonymous svn over ssh |
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| 15:56.21 | rm_you | X-Fade: so... sup? :P |
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| 15:58.01 | rm_you | X-Fade: is the extras-builder / proxy working yet? |
| 15:58.24 | X-Fade | rm_you: I really don't know. I have never had that on garage. And i commit to a lot of projects. |
| 15:58.52 | rm_you | X-Fade: i can add you to my project, see if you can add ANY files? |
| 15:58.56 | rm_you | even an empty text file |
| 15:59.11 | rm_you | X-Fade: Stskeeps link made sense |
| 15:59.30 | X-Fade | rm_you: I'll try.. |
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| 16:00.37 | rm_you | garage user? |
| 16:00.46 | X-Fade | rm_you: I'm already added ;) |
| 16:00.49 | rm_you | lol |
| 16:00.51 | rm_you | yeah yeah |
| 16:01.00 | rm_you | mr. uberadmin |
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| 16:09.20 | L0cutus | hum |
| 16:09.39 | L0cutus | seems i'm unable to set the destination folder for maps on maps app.... |
| 16:10.06 | L0cutus | it try to put them to a partition that is too small |
| 16:10.31 | L0cutus | i'm on cloned os |
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| 16:11.31 | RST38h | back |
| 16:12.58 | crashanddie | w00t at dependencies for fftw :D |
| 16:13.40 | X-Fade | rm_you: I'm begining to believe it is because of your funky project name. |
| 16:13.45 | rm_you | .... |
| 16:13.50 | rm_you | pyshop |
| 16:13.53 | X-Fade | rm_you: CamelCasing.. |
| 16:13.54 | rm_you | is FUNKY!? |
| 16:13.56 | rm_you | lol |
| 16:13.59 | rm_you | ah |
| 16:14.06 | rm_you | PyShop >_> |
| 16:14.13 | rm_you | that's how you name PyThings <_< |
| 16:14.26 | X-Fade | rm_you: I think some parts of the system are case sensitive. That is what I can find on google at least. |
| 16:14.43 | rm_you | did you see the link Stskeeps found? |
| 16:14.50 | rm_you | http://ynniv.com/blog/2005/12/troubling-svn-error.html |
| 16:14.59 | X-Fade | rm_you: Yeah, but I don't think that is it |
| 16:15.12 | rm_you | that sounds highly probable to me >_> but you're the webmaster |
| 16:15.40 | qwerty12 | And because he is master, you shall obey. |
| 16:15.41 | qwerty12 | :p |
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| 16:17.25 | X-Fade | The thing is, I get a 403 forbidden. |
| 16:17.34 | rm_you | ... |
| 16:19.56 | RST38h | [6~ |
| 16:19.58 | rm_you | X-Fade: http://pastebin.org/46558 |
| 16:20.12 | X-Fade | rm_you: Can you file a bug for it? So I can let somebody else look at it too? |
| 16:20.26 | rm_you | k |
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| 16:28.10 | crashanddie | lcuk, I abandon the vis project for the moment, too much work for so little. I don't know/think/want to know how Canola sits together, and quite honestly, not a project I want to contribute to, also, the Media Player doesn't have a plugin system. And I don't feel like writing yet another media player for the NIT |
| 16:29.01 | crashanddie | the other option would of course be to get data directly from the sound card, but again, I don't know how that sits together, plus I suck at math :P |
| 16:29.09 | rm_you | X-Fade: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3326 <--- is that good? |
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| 16:30.12 | Blafasel | Talking about sucking at math.. I just try to transform pixel by pixel algorithms to GPU stuff. Ouch. I fail.. |
| 16:32.40 | RST38h | PC GPU? |
| 16:33.24 | Blafasel | Yes |
| 16:33.46 | rm_you | johnx: garage is conspiring to not let me go shopping |
| 16:34.02 | johnx | conspiring with who? |
| 16:34.11 | rm_you | itself <_< |
| 16:34.18 | rm_you | AND MAYBE YOU!? |
| 16:34.24 | johnx | who stands the most to gain by not letting you go shopping? |
| 16:35.02 | derf | rm_you does. Since he won't be spending any money. |
| 16:35.18 | rm_you | but then i'll die from lack of nourishment >_> |
| 16:35.24 | derf | Small price to pay! |
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| 16:35.27 | rm_you | not that the food I buy is really nourishing, anyway |
| 16:35.38 | rm_you | goes and grabs one of the last "meat" hotdogs |
| 16:35.59 | rm_you | grabs the last Dr. Pepper while he's at it |
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| 16:36.21 | qwerty12 | Adding the diablo sdk repo into my N800 was interesting and fun :/ |
| 16:36.29 | rm_you | >_< |
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| 16:36.46 | Saviq | hi guys, any of you got roadmap running on diablo? mine crashes with a 'no more memory' error (running alone, 128MB of swap enabled) |
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| 16:38.47 | qwerty12 | Nice, I didn't know garage has a bounties section. now, wheres the booties section? :P |
| 16:40.51 | johnx | qwerty12, think of the people who have garage accounts. Now imagine what they look like. Now tell me again that you really want to see a booties section. :P |
| 16:41.18 | qwerty12 | ARRRGHHHHHHHHHHHH, I think I want to puke :O :P :D |
| 16:41.40 | rm_you | watches Shaolin Soccer |
| 16:42.30 | qwerty12 | Heh, I wish application manager had a front end for apt-pinning where I could choose to not let certain packages show up in the update list :/ :( |
| 16:44.43 | crashanddie | anybody know what would be the easiest way to get the spectrum of the sound that's outputted on the NIT ? |
| 16:44.50 | hrw | qwerty12: h-a-m is open... |
| 16:45.09 | AStorm | crashanddie: connect it to the oscilloscope? ;P |
| 16:45.23 | qwerty12 | hrw, I know, but I'm not a programmer :). Best thing I ever done was make a quick patch to remove the nokia legal message. |
| 16:45.25 | crashanddie | bleh |
| 16:45.27 | AStorm | other than that, there's no real way except an alsa plugin |
| 16:45.41 | AStorm | you could connect it to an input of some sound card too |
| 16:45.52 | AStorm | but would have to adjust for the problems of sound input |
| 16:46.37 | crashanddie | AStorm, so I have to options, hack canola about and get in between the actual sound generation and output (or hack another media player), or play sound myself |
| 16:46.42 | crashanddie | two** |
| 16:48.15 | AStorm | hm |
| 16:48.26 | AStorm | you could also write an alsa plugin to grab sound |
| 16:48.28 | AStorm | :) |
| 16:48.31 | AStorm | there is a filewriter |
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| 16:51.11 | mgedmin | mubmles "pulseaudio" |
| 16:52.35 | crashanddie | mgedmin, does the stock NIT use pulse ? |
| 16:52.40 | qwerty12 | No |
| 16:52.44 | qwerty12 | esd iirc |
| 16:52.56 | mgedmin | hey, esd also has the API for this, I believe |
| 16:53.02 | mgedmin | there was an esd-based equalizer |
| 16:53.05 | lcuk | crashanddie, i didnt think you were doing it for a specific reason, i merely said it would be good to have visualizations and yours looked cool |
| 16:53.14 | lcuk | thought you were just playing |
| 16:53.43 | qwerty12 | I believe xmms does visualisations and can output via esd or alsa |
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| 17:04.41 | AStorm | xmms is old and bad |
| 17:04.50 | AStorm | write alsa eq plugin please :D |
| 17:05.09 | AStorm | of good quality if possible |
| 17:06.04 | Saviq | I want native ad2p support ;P |
| 17:06.13 | derf | Just because xmms is old does not mean it's bad. |
| 17:06.19 | Saviq | it's dead |
| 17:06.26 | Saviq | that does mean it's bad |
| 17:06.53 | rm_you | I want xmms |
| 17:06.57 | rm_you | thats all I want.... |
| 17:07.14 | rm_you | xmms is NOT a replacement for xmms... and neither is beep media player (the supposed xmms fork) |
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| 17:07.29 | johnx | should poke at getting a2dp working in canola |
| 17:07.35 | johnx | should be trivial |
| 17:07.35 | rm_you | i'm tempted to maintain xmms myself >_> |
| 17:07.48 | rm_you | johnx: it uses gstreamer for audio... |
| 17:07.49 | Saviq | johnx: yeah well until it's native, it's not really usable |
| 17:07.57 | rm_you | Saviq: lies |
| 17:08.08 | Saviq | well I mean that it drains battery |
| 17:08.10 | johnx | rm_you, it can use the OS2008 media player or mplayer |
| 17:08.13 | rm_you | lol |
| 17:08.22 | rm_you | johnx: mplayer only for video IIRC |
| 17:08.22 | johnx | Saviq, being "native" won't magically fix this |
| 17:08.34 | johnx | rm_you, you can set it in the atabake.conf file (sp?) |
| 17:08.38 | Saviq | unless the encoding's put on the dsp, no? |
| 17:08.42 | derf | I looked at one of the other xmms-clones... audacious maybe? When I got to the point where, to remove a file, they made a system() call to rm with no sanitizing of the arguments, I just deleted the whole thing and refused to ever run it. |
| 17:08.53 | johnx | Saviq, aaah, so by native you mean "on the dsp" |
| 17:09.00 | Saviq | yeah, a bit |
| 17:09.04 | lcuk | johnx, can you get at enough of the canola source to run a2dp? |
| 17:09.05 | johnx | Saviq, I wouldn't say that's necessarily true |
| 17:09.19 | johnx | the CPU usage can be dramatically reduced through optimizations |
| 17:09.26 | johnx | but yes, having it on the DSP would be really great |
| 17:09.37 | rm_you | yes, having it on the DSP would be great |
| 17:09.39 | johnx | lcuk, no need to. just tweak one config file |
| 17:09.40 | rm_you | pokes lardman|gone |
| 17:09.53 | johnx | ...but misses, because lardman is |gone |
| 17:09.59 | lcuk | :) fair enough |
| 17:10.21 | johnx | heck, I might as well right now...so I can see if I can use it on the train tomorrow |
| 17:11.22 | Anunakin | onweather not working on diablo!! any tip? |
| 17:11.34 | johnx | patience? |
| 17:12.16 | lcuk | look out of the window? |
| 17:12.34 | johnx | or google it :) |
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| 17:13.47 | crashanddie | qwerty12, mgedmin, AStorm & lcuk: I think I've found a way... I'm back on it :P |
| 17:13.52 | crashanddie | esd calls |
| 17:14.00 | qwerty12 | Brilliant, good luck :) |
| 17:14.08 | lcuk | crashanddie, i wasnt aware you were on it to begin with |
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| 17:14.32 | lcuk | though, w00t to whatever you are back onto :D |
| 17:14.42 | johnx | try not to fall off |
| 17:15.03 | crashanddie | slaps both |
| 17:15.30 | lcuk | pushes you back off the wagon# |
| 17:15.34 | johnx | carelessly swings a ladder, hits crashanddie |
| 17:15.43 | johnx | we're doing 3 stooges here, right? |
| 17:15.47 | lcuk | watches crashanddie umm crashanddie |
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| 17:16.41 | qwerty12 | No, the end is when you see ME IN YOUR DREAMS |
| 17:16.48 | skibur | did diable remove the boot loader? |
| 17:17.05 | lcuk | i went shopping today for some new camouflage pants. |
| 17:17.19 | lcuk | i couldn't find any though |
| 17:17.34 | johnx | skibur, do you mean "remove bootmenu"? |
| 17:17.47 | skibur | yes |
| 17:17.51 | skibur | sorry about |
| 17:17.52 | johnx | yes, it did |
| 17:17.55 | skibur | hum... |
| 17:18.00 | johnx | it reflashed everything |
| 17:18.05 | qwerty12 | no biggie though, fanoush updated bootmenu for diablo |
| 17:18.06 | lcuk | qwerty, it would be a nightmare to see a southern jessie :P |
| 17:18.34 | skibur | so its a different bootmenu for diablo |
| 17:19.07 | lcuk | does the rest of the kernel changes still work, or are they waitinf for fash to port and test stuff? |
| 17:19.14 | qwerty12 | lcuk, nah, it would be a nightmare because all you northerners would be too scared see me |
| 17:19.16 | lcuk | *fash special kernels |
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| 17:19.32 | qwerty12 | lcuk, don't get you :/ |
| 17:19.52 | hrw | bye |
| 17:20.03 | lcuk | can i still use the (for instance) faster memory card handling or other things in fashs custom kernel |
| 17:20.14 | qwerty12 | ah, fanoush |
| 17:20.19 | lcuk | or is fashs kernel not compatible now |
| 17:20.26 | lcuk | good point |
| 17:20.34 | qwerty12 | no, that kernel is for chinook, it will work, but you will lose diablo fixes and ipv5 |
| 17:20.36 | lcuk | fixes all typos |
| 17:20.37 | qwerty12 | *ipv6 |
| 17:20.55 | rm_you | X-Fade: AH |
| 17:21.05 | rm_you | X-Fade: could also be a security certificate issue |
| 17:21.15 | rm_you | that failed when i tried to go to it in firefox |
| 17:21.15 | qwerty12 | but it isn't hard to get all that stuff back in diablo kernel, I've already patched the diablo kernel with rotation: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=196034&postcount=194 |
| 17:21.17 | lcuk | what about the rotate kernel module thingy? |
| 17:21.20 | lcuk | lol |
| 17:21.21 | qwerty12 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=196034&postcount=194 |
| 17:21.53 | qwerty12 | That's only jott's patch for rotation though, the rest of the kernel is stock diablo |
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| 17:22.27 | lcuk | is glad he runs stock kernel now |
| 17:22.28 | RST38h | Hehe: http://zee-nix.blogspot.com/2008/06/shame-ubuntu-shame.html |
| 17:22.39 | lcuk | i would hate to get used to features like seen and lose them even for a few days |
| 17:23.39 | Atarii | any idea why my appication manager wont connection to any repository, but only when im on a certain internet connection? |
| 17:23.59 | qwerty12 | Meh, I never lose a kernel feature, I just recompile with the patch I need for a certain feature and flash that kernel to my device. |
| 17:24.03 | RST38h | that internet connection has limited connectivity |
| 17:24.03 | lcuk | dns problem on the others? or hard set dns? |
| 17:24.12 | qwerty12 | RST38h, you sound like xp :/ |
| 17:24.22 | RST38h | *is* XP! |
| 17:24.27 | qwerty12 | ooh nice, fbreader has a diablo repo |
| 17:24.30 | RST38h | [be afrrraid! be verrry afrrraid!] |
| 17:24.34 | qwerty12 | aiii |
| 17:24.36 | RST38h | time to upgrade |
| 17:24.42 | johnx | qwerty12, fbreader supports *everything* :D |
| 17:24.42 | Atarii | nope it works fine for everything else RST38h |
| 17:24.46 | lcuk | RST38h is downgraded vista |
| 17:25.11 | qwerty12 | johnx, yep, I like the team, they seem to work fast :) |
| 17:25.30 | johnx | is it a team? I thought it was just that one guy? |
| 17:25.33 | RST38h | Atarii: weird then...no http proxying? |
| 17:26.01 | Atarii | nope, im sure it worked at one point, the AP has been restarted but still no luck |
| 17:26.01 | qwerty12 | johnx, no idea, I just presume team for everything when I don't see a name :/ |
| 17:26.06 | lcuk | johnx, even with 1 primary developer there can still be a team |
| 17:26.19 | johnx | lcuk, fair enough :) |
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| 17:29.16 | Atarii | hmm its just stuck on "Downloading 1 kb" |
| 17:29.48 | lcuk | reboot |
| 17:30.06 | johnx | Atarii, run apt-get update from the command line, see what it hangs on |
| 17:30.15 | johnx | then try to ping or traceroute that site |
| 17:30.24 | Atarii | ok thanks |
| 17:30.34 | johnx | lcuk, no reason to ever reboot, except kernel upgrades on machines without kexec :) |
| 17:30.35 | lcuk | just remove all the extra crap repos - leave yourself with known good ones |
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| 17:30.58 | Atarii | its a fresh flash so its only default repos atm |
| 17:31.00 | johnx | lcuk, in some countries, nokia official repos are the ones that can't be reached |
| 17:31.08 | lcuk | oooer |
| 17:31.51 | Atarii | 0 % [Connecting to catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com (1.0.0.0)] |
| 17:32.08 | Atarii | is that 1.0.0.0 meant to be the IP? |
| 17:32.14 | johnx | Atarii, I think your DNS might be screwy on your ISP |
| 17:33.40 | Atarii | right, ill try adding OpenDNS |
| 17:34.11 | Atarii | weird that browsing the nets works fine |
| 17:34.42 | johnx | that "1.0.0.0" doesn't look like an accident to me... |
| 17:34.59 | qwerty12 | I smell sabotage |
| 17:35.12 | johnx | someone put those bits there! |
| 17:35.46 | mgedmin | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com |
| 17:36.14 | lcuk | 1.0.0.0 is something to do with ipv6? |
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| 17:36.48 | johnx | hmmm...I don't think so |
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| 17:37.15 | Atarii | :S |
| 17:37.36 | lcuk | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/81057 |
| 17:37.40 | lcuk | http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14757298 |
| 17:38.50 | Atarii | right, ill try that also |
| 17:38.53 | qwerty12 | mgedmin, Just out of question, in your repo, the packages in the diablo folder; were they recompiled in DIABLO_SDK? |
| 17:38.57 | lcuk | im just thinking because ive heard people mentioning ip6 |
| 17:39.03 | qwerty12 | *DIABLO_ARMEL |
| 17:39.33 | johnx | lcuk, that ubuntu bug thread is pretty interesting |
| 17:39.44 | mgedmin | qwerty12: um, no :-) |
| 17:39.56 | qwerty12 | Heh :) |
| 17:40.59 | mgedmin | lcuk: ipv6 addresses use : instead of . |
| 17:41.14 | mgedmin | and have up to 6 bytes expressed in hex rather than 4 in decimal |
| 17:41.38 | lcuk | mgedmin, yes understood, but once you start the routers you use get fscked and start replying to ip4 requests incorrectly |
| 17:41.51 | lcuk | with 1.0.0.0 |
| 17:42.10 | lcuk | thats what im reading anyway |
| 17:42.12 | mgedmin | hm, never heard of that |
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| 17:42.28 | lcuk | have a look at the posts i just put if your mildly curious |
| 17:42.30 | Atarii | ffs now my nokia is randomly rebooting |
| 17:42.42 | Atarii | i swear this house has an anti-technology curse |
| 17:43.02 | johnx | Atarii, I've heard of it before. You're gonna need a live goat for this one... |
| 17:43.11 | lcuk | johnx, see atariis nokia thinks it needs to reboot :P |
| 17:43.31 | Atarii | heh :p |
| 17:43.32 | qwerty12 | lcuk will volunteer, as northerners are goats :P |
| 17:43.51 | johnx | lcuk, grrr. :P |
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| 17:44.04 | mgedmin | fun bug |
| 17:44.14 | lcuk | seems like it |
| 17:44.36 | lcuk | chews through qwerty's internet cable |
| 17:44.41 | johnx | as tech gets more complex we start to see weird stuff like this |
| 17:44.56 | lcuk | nahhh, computers have done weird shit since the start |
| 17:45.07 | Atarii | free radicals |
| 17:45.29 | lcuk | they did, jack bauer is out of prison |
| 17:46.29 | johnx | lcuk, yeah, but the place for bugs to hide is getting bigger |
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| 17:47.19 | qwerty12 | http://www.matetelki.com/give/ - I quite like the sound of this one. |
| 17:47.21 | lcuk | much bigger, keeping a small tight code base allows bugs to be effectively ironed out quickly :) |
| 17:47.34 | skibur | hum... |
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| 17:48.16 | johnx | qwerty12, that's pretty darn neat |
| 17:48.20 | Atarii | so now ive changed the dns settings to manual on the nokia, and "Internet connection failed. Try again?" comes up when trying to connect to the wifi :S |
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| 17:48.46 | skibur | openssh is ok? |
| 17:48.54 | skibur | for diablo |
| 17:48.56 | skibur | need root |
| 17:49.06 | johnx | skibur, yes. works here and for many others |
| 17:51.03 | skibur | ok |
| 17:51.04 | skibur | thanks |
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| 17:54.52 | skibur | hum.. |
| 17:55.16 | skibur | its a fail on here ---> https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/maemo_extras_diablo_rebuild.php |
| 17:55.39 | skibur | is this the same thing |
| 18:00.18 | johnx | out of curiosity, has *anyone* had a2dp working in diablo? |
| 18:00.32 | rm_you | forgot to try |
| 18:00.35 | rm_you | will try now |
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| 18:06.10 | Anunakin | what I can do with a2dp? |
| 18:06.22 | johnx | play sound to a2dp bluetooth headphones |
| 18:06.29 | johnx | also, waste battery power |
| 18:06.35 | johnx | both are worthy goals |
| 18:06.50 | rm_you | johnx: you had to choose the most annoying words didnt you |
| 18:06.53 | rm_you | enable/disable |
| 18:06.57 | rm_you | what happened to ON and OFF |
| 18:07.01 | rm_you | lol |
| 18:07.10 | johnx | rm_you, I have a couple |s in the script already |
| 18:07.14 | johnx | add your favorites :P |
| 18:07.16 | rm_you | lol |
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| 18:08.52 | Anunakin | johnx, but I used my bt hset with n810 ... |
| 18:09.07 | Anunakin | on chinook |
| 18:09.11 | johnx | A2DP lets you have stereo sound |
| 18:09.19 | Anunakin | hum |
| 18:09.20 | johnx | with higher quality |
| 18:09.26 | Anunakin | this is better |
| 18:09.38 | Anunakin | I getting a very low sound |
| 18:09.46 | Anunakin | a decception |
| 18:10.50 | Anunakin | Johnx: my Debian stay working nice with diablo's kernel |
| 18:11.38 | johnx | Anunakin, good to hear |
| 18:13.30 | rm_you | johnx: hrm.... |
| 18:13.32 | rm_you | alsa-lib: pcm.c:2144:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM bluetooth |
| 18:13.44 | johnx | rm_you, rebooted yet? |
| 18:13.46 | Anunakin | I made some changes to chroot script... and now this works with boot or chroot |
| 18:13.51 | rm_you | johnx: truth |
| 18:14.01 | rm_you | been so long since i did this :P |
| 18:14.12 | johnx | rm_you, RTFM :P |
| 18:14.32 | rm_you | lol |
| 18:15.00 | rm_you | shhh i've been up for 19 hours <_< |
| 18:15.15 | rm_you | not that it should matter |
| 18:15.27 | rm_you | drinks that Dr. Pepper |
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| 18:15.41 | Anunakin | any page with new thinks on diablo? not patckages but new functions? like A2DP |
| 18:18.06 | rm_you | hrm |
| 18:18.23 | johnx | Anunakin, there's a page with new and changed packages |
| 18:18.41 | johnx | but the "new features" list is pretty short: email client, ssu updates |
| 18:19.04 | Tamagotono | can anyone recommend a good IRC client for the N800 please? |
| 18:19.24 | jacques-work | strange, when I download things from nokia site (firmware, flasher apps) with firefox3 they have a comma on the end of the name |
| 18:19.26 | johnx | xchat |
| 18:19.41 | johnx | jacques-work, same here. I assume it happens to everyone |
| 18:20.09 | Tamagotono | I'll check it out. Thank you |
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| 18:20.42 | jacques-work | johnx, thanks, good to know |
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| 18:21.54 | rm_you | wow after reboot my wireless won't connect at all |
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| 18:24.22 | qwerty12_N800 | Anyone know why when i run a app through the application menu, instead of saying "<application name> loading", it says: "ckct_ib_application Loading"? |
| 18:24.41 | AStorm | broke your locale files somehow? |
| 18:25.03 | qwerty12_N800 | shitfuck :( |
| 18:25.49 | AStorm | maybe got some too new package :) |
| 18:26.04 | rm_you | johnx: hrm, bad |
| 18:26.16 | johnx | rm_you, I'm getting no luck here either |
| 18:26.23 | rm_you | alsa-lib: pcm_bluetooth.c:1589:(bluetooth_init) BT_GETCAPABILITIES failed : Input/output error(5) |
| 18:26.23 | rm_you | alsa-init: playback open error: Input/output error |
| 18:26.26 | johnx | I hope this isn't affecting lardman as well :/ |
| 18:26.28 | johnx | rm_you, same here |
| 18:26.28 | rm_you | getting that? |
| 18:26.43 | rm_you | i have a hypothesis |
| 18:26.45 | rm_you | sec |
| 18:26.50 | rm_you | let me test it and turn it into a theory |
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| 18:35.42 | rm_you | yay |
| 18:35.46 | rm_you | johnx: hypothesis confirmed |
| 18:35.49 | johnx | rm_you, luck? |
| 18:35.54 | johnx | good? bad? |
| 18:36.07 | rm_you | wget http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.0.1/free/b/bluez-libs/libbluetooth2_3.22-0osso1_armel.deb && dpkg -i libbluetooth2_3.22-0osso1_armel.deb |
| 18:36.08 | rm_you | win |
| 18:36.15 | rm_you | lol |
| 18:36.21 | rm_you | is happy |
| 18:36.30 | johnx | some kind of bug in .28? |
| 18:36.35 | rm_you | apparently |
| 18:36.42 | rm_you | chinook libbluetooth2 works tho |
| 18:36.44 | rm_you | :) |
| 18:36.46 | johnx | sad failiness |
| 18:36.51 | rm_you | may just have to recompile .28 |
| 18:36.56 | rm_you | i'll do that when i wake up |
| 18:37.02 | rm_you | if you or lardman or someone hasn't |
| 18:37.14 | johnx | grrr...but that means we don't get the nice .28 speed ups? |
| 18:37.20 | rm_you | and compare .22 to .28 to see what caused the regression |
| 18:37.24 | rm_you | no |
| 18:37.29 | rm_you | i'll recompile .28 and work on getting it fixed |
| 18:37.43 | rm_you | fuck it, i'll do it now |
| 18:37.56 | johnx | I tested .30 in debian I believe with good results |
| 18:38.05 | rm_you | maybe i'll go straight to that |
| 18:38.13 | rm_you | you have the source/patches you used for that? |
| 18:38.14 | johnx | uhm...I'm getting the same thing still |
| 18:38.20 | rm_you | or did you use the straight debian thing |
| 18:38.24 | johnx | rm_you, I just pulled it from debian |
| 18:38.27 | rm_you | <johnx> rm_you, rebooted yet? |
| 18:38.27 | rm_you | :P |
| 18:38.35 | johnx | rm_you, yes, I just did |
| 18:38.44 | rm_you | well, all it took for me was a reboot |
| 18:38.50 | rm_you | and then a2dp enable |
| 18:38.54 | rm_you | and mplayer :) |
| 18:39.50 | johnx | still failing here :/ |
| 18:40.38 | rm_you | hrm |
| 18:40.43 | rm_you | that's really all i did |
| 18:40.50 | johnx | it's just weird that hcidump is saying *nothing* when it fails |
| 18:41.05 | rm_you | apt-cache policy libbluetooth2 ? |
| 18:41.26 | johnx | 3.22 |
| 18:41.39 | rm_you | hrm |
| 18:41.49 | rm_you | i am running mplayer as root? |
| 18:41.51 | rm_you | >_> |
| 18:41.55 | rm_you | that's the only thing i can think of |
| 18:41.57 | johnx | uhm, no of course not |
| 18:42.15 | rm_you | ? |
| 18:42.21 | johnx | I did try earlier, actually, just for shits and grins |
| 18:42.29 | johnx | of course it had no affect |
| 18:42.34 | rm_you | well, i am |
| 18:42.35 | rm_you | sec |
| 18:42.42 | johnx | eh? why? |
| 18:42.51 | rm_you | just was in root already |
| 18:43.30 | rm_you | yeah, working great as user too >_> |
| 18:43.35 | rm_you | same exact error? |
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| 18:43.41 | rm_you | which mplayer you on? |
| 18:44.14 | johnx | .27 |
| 18:44.15 | johnx | and you? |
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| 18:48.06 | johnx | rm_you, are you sure you didn't downgrade bluez-utils as well? |
| 18:49.11 | johnx | also, did Nokia just push an update to tablet-browser-daemon? |
| 18:49.14 | johnx | I'm impressed |
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| 18:51.50 | rm_you | johnx: yes, very sure |
| 18:51.54 | rm_you | johnx: and yes, .27 |
| 18:52.04 | rm_you | did you do EVERYTHING in your own manual? :P |
| 18:52.25 | johnx | rm_you, ffs, yes |
| 18:52.34 | johnx | re-reads |
| 18:52.57 | johnx | there's only like 2 steps |
| 18:53.32 | Stskeeps | 1. ??? 2. PROFIT! ? |
| 18:53.36 | rm_you | lol |
| 18:53.38 | rm_you | just sayin |
| 18:53.41 | rm_you | mine works great |
| 18:53.46 | rm_you | and i just followed your steps |
| 18:53.55 | johnx | for whatever value of great goes with bluez 3.22 |
| 18:54.01 | rm_you | well, i actually went through to check everything manually, but it all checked out |
| 18:54.05 | dragorn | anyone got a wispy and want to test some code? |
| 18:56.56 | rm_you | i forgot to pair my headset cause i did it before the flash <_< |
| 18:57.24 | rm_you | but then i remembered :P |
| 18:57.27 | rm_you | is tired |
| 18:57.40 | rm_you | is trying libbluetooth2 3.33-1 |
| 18:58.34 | johnx | the maemo sdk script is kinda painfully bad...just cause I'm running an amd64 kernel doesn't mean I have a 64bit userspace... |
| 18:59.12 | RST38h | still does not understand what is so special about amd64 that maemosdk does not install on it |
| 18:59.41 | rm_you | johnx: try: |
| 18:59.42 | johnx | probably qemu issues |
| 18:59.44 | rm_you | http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/libbluetooth2_3.33-1_armel.deb |
| 18:59.47 | rm_you | working great too |
| 19:00.13 | rm_you | straight compile from the debian patched source |
| 19:00.18 | rm_you | from Sid :P |
| 19:00.48 | rm_you | looks like it just ships with a broken .28 |
| 19:01.47 | rm_you | still playing my videos flawlessly with a2dp :P |
| 19:01.48 | rm_you | <3 |
| 19:02.02 | johnx | rm_you, no love |
| 19:02.11 | johnx | I swear you did something else to |
| 19:02.34 | johnx | you didn't even try a different bluez-utils and then change back? |
| 19:02.44 | rm_you | nope |
| 19:03.17 | johnx | the libbluetooth deb you linked includes nothing that has to do with a2dp |
| 19:03.26 | johnx | that's just the basic, common bluetooth stuff |
| 19:03.35 | rm_you | bluez-utils: Installed: 3.28-0osso4 |
| 19:03.47 | rm_you | i *swear* thats all i did |
| 19:03.55 | rm_you | install that, reboot, done |
| 19:04.08 | johnx | rm_you, want to try changing back to make me feel better? :) |
| 19:04.21 | johnx | if you change back to 3.28 and it breaks, I'll believe you |
| 19:04.22 | rm_you | err, on reboot my wireless was broken, so i cycled offline/online a couple times |
| 19:04.24 | rm_you | k |
| 19:04.26 | rm_you | will try |
| 19:04.40 | rm_you | wait |
| 19:04.44 | rm_you | you try that first |
| 19:04.48 | rm_you | cycle your offline/online modes |
| 19:05.00 | rm_you | maybe it re-initializes the bluetooth stuff? |
| 19:05.07 | rm_you | oh |
| 19:05.11 | rm_you | lol |
| 19:05.18 | lcuk | wishes he could upgrade his brain to scrollback reallife |
| 19:05.20 | rm_you | also I did /etc/init.d/bluez-utils restart |
| 19:05.29 | rm_you | totally forgot that |
| 19:06.59 | rm_you | anyway, reverting |
| 19:07.51 | lcuk | hmmm "Nokia N800 Internet Tablet WiFi built in GPS" |
| 19:08.07 | lcuk | and yes, its an 800 |
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| 19:10.38 | rm_you | yeah they lie |
| 19:12.42 | rm_you | johnx: yeah ok fine, you win |
| 19:12.54 | rm_you | it works back on .28 |
| 19:12.55 | rm_you | so... |
| 19:13.06 | rm_you | all i did was /etc/init.d/bluez-utils restart |
| 19:13.06 | crashanddie | lcuk, might be easier than I thought it was. Laying out the C++ architecture at the mo... ! |
| 19:13.11 | crashanddie | but now ! PIZZZAAA TIME ! |
| 19:13.11 | crashanddie | BBL |
| 19:13.22 | johnx | "Jan, tell him what he's won!" "A braaaand new car!" |
| 19:13.25 | lcuk | still has no idea wtf you are doing |
| 19:13.30 | lcuk | i must have missed a conversation |
| 19:13.54 | Cptnodegard | is just home from liberty city. good to see the real world is still here |
| 19:13.54 | lcuk | wonders if he was sleeptyping |
| 19:13.56 | crashanddie | lcuk, I'm working on a very small app, that will draw a spectrum of the sound currently outputted by the NIT |
| 19:14.04 | rm_you | johnx: so |
| 19:14.12 | lcuk | ahhh right - with the wav thing |
| 19:14.12 | rm_you | johnx: did THAT fix it? |
| 19:14.17 | rm_you | cuz i got nothin else |
| 19:14.20 | johnx | rm_you, for me? |
| 19:14.20 | lcuk | is on the same page now |
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| 19:14.23 | crashanddie | :) |
| 19:14.25 | rm_you | yeah |
| 19:14.27 | lcuk | i didnt think it was a big deal thou lol |
| 19:14.31 | rm_you | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:14.32 | johnx | rm_you, nope :/ |
| 19:14.38 | rm_you | :/ |
| 19:14.46 | crashanddie | lcuk, it's... challenging :P Again |
| 19:14.58 | lcuk | knows all about challenges |
| 19:15.01 | rm_you | johnx: i can't think of anything else. |
| 19:15.09 | johnx | neither can I |
| 19:15.09 | rm_you | johnx: ask me things, i'll answer :/ |
| 19:15.13 | rm_you | :( |
| 19:15.37 | rm_you | if your asoundrc correct? >_> |
| 19:15.39 | rm_you | *is |
| 19:15.46 | lcuk | crashanddie, i just build little modules of things all the time to test theories |
| 19:16.04 | johnx | it is, cause it works if I switch a2dp for auto |
| 19:16.14 | johnx | then it tries to use SCO |
| 19:16.53 | rm_you | johnx: .... check the disable sink thing? >_> |
| 19:17.04 | johnx | yeah, I did, like a million times |
| 19:17.16 | johnx | I even did it by hand in audio.conf |
| 19:17.40 | johnx | tried once with the automatically generated one from my own .deb and once with modifying the one in diablo |
| 19:17.47 | rm_you | hrm |
| 19:17.48 | Jaffa | re |
| 19:17.52 | johnx | rm_you, anyways, just tell me what kind of CPU usage you see |
| 19:17.58 | johnx | that's what I'm most interested in |
| 19:18.17 | cjohnson | Taking into account both the price and the features...overall which device would you guys say is better...the n800 or the n810? |
| 19:18.22 | cjohnson | Standard n810, not WiMax |
| 19:18.42 | rm_you | johnx: mine: http://pastebin.org/46590 |
| 19:19.02 | johnx | cjohnson, it depends on whether you want the keyboard, sunlight readable screen and the (kinda lame) GPS |
| 19:19.27 | johnx | rm_you, yeah, I'm pretty confident mine is right |
| 19:19.32 | cjohnson | johnx, the if I don't care about the keyboard and I already have a bluetooth GPS |
| 19:19.33 | lcuk | cjohnson, i originally saw the 800 and went "meh!", i saw the 810 and went "wow!" the keyboard (whilst not perfect) allows you to type AND see what you are doing. that alone makes it the winner |
| 19:19.44 | rm_you | cjohnson: i prefer a bluetooth keyboard, my GPS is better, and i dont go out in the sun (i'm not INSANE)... plus i have 2 SD slots in my n800 :P |
| 19:19.47 | cjohnson | lcuk, I have a BT kbd |
| 19:19.51 | lcuk | so do i |
| 19:19.58 | johnx | cjohnson, then get an n800 and enjoy the extra SD card slot |
| 19:20.08 | cjohnson | rm_you, I'm in the same boat as you...I chose the n800 but my dad is getting one |
| 19:20.10 | rm_you | cjohnson: definitely n800 |
| 19:20.12 | lcuk | but you dont wanna be getting it out every 5 minutes just to type a url or a password or something |
| 19:20.24 | cjohnson | lcuk, for that I don't mind the half-screen kbd |
| 19:20.26 | rm_you | lcuk: no, you use the thumbboard for that |
| 19:20.30 | cjohnson | lcuk, I'm quite proficient with the stylus |
| 19:20.33 | rm_you | thumbboard works very well |
| 19:20.35 | lcuk | then your mind is already amde up |
| 19:20.42 | cjohnson | lcuk, I was asking for my dad |
| 19:20.57 | lcuk | then has your dad got a bt keyboard? |
| 19:21.07 | cjohnson | lcuk, but I know he'll hate a tiny little keyboard, the difference between an onscreen kbd and the slide out will be nothing |
| 19:21.20 | cjohnson | and he already has a bluetooth gps device as well |
| 19:21.20 | lcuk | its a world of difference imho |
| 19:21.34 | cjohnson | he won't see it so |
| 19:21.43 | lcuk | have you got 800 |
| 19:21.47 | cjohnson | I do |
| 19:21.55 | lcuk | give it him for a few days and see if he likes it |
| 19:22.04 | lcuk | if ihe does you have your answer, if not try the 810 |
| 19:22.09 | lcuk | or something entirely different |
| 19:22.18 | cjohnson | lcuk, he lives hours away, and I can't live without it for the time it takes between our visits :P |
| 19:22.34 | cjohnson | so, what about the system itself. is it faster? |
| 19:22.39 | cjohnson | the OS is the same I assume |
| 19:22.42 | cjohnson | both take the same os2008 |
| 19:22.49 | lcuk | same os, same cpu speed |
| 19:22.52 | johnx | the only thing I don't like the fullscreen thumboard for is chatting (read: attempting to chat) on IM or IRC |
| 19:22.58 | cjohnson | battery life better/worse? camera? |
| 19:23.12 | lcuk | camera is crap either way |
| 19:23.18 | cjohnson | johnx, yeah, but if I'm chatting I have room to prop my bt kbd on my lap |
| 19:23.21 | cjohnson | lcuk, figured |
| 19:23.22 | johnx | battery life, very similar. camera, just as bad, but only faces forwards |
| 19:23.24 | lcuk | 810 feels more grown up though |
| 19:23.39 | cjohnson | lcuk, seems more like a "professional" device you mean? |
| 19:23.44 | cjohnson | lcuk, or are features more refined? |
| 19:23.44 | lcuk | i like the lock slider on mine |
| 19:23.48 | johnx | lcuk, did you buy into the marketing? :P |
| 19:23.51 | cjohnson | ooooh, lock slider |
| 19:23.58 | cjohnson | that's the one thing I wish n800 had |
| 19:24.04 | lcuk | actually its a very good feature |
| 19:24.05 | cjohnson | that and either make the camera good or remove it |
| 19:24.11 | johnx | guys, lcuk drank the kool-aid. :P |
| 19:24.34 | lcuk | i never liked the odd shape of the 800 either |
| 19:24.39 | lcuk | drinks beer actually |
| 19:24.41 | cjohnson | How odd? |
| 19:24.52 | cjohnson | front facing? or the rounded top back portion? |
| 19:24.53 | lcuk | its got a rounded bulge hasnt it |
| 19:25.02 | cjohnson | it's a mild bulge |
| 19:25.02 | rm_you | johnx: ~60% CPU on mplayer |
| 19:25.04 | cjohnson | I don't notice it |
| 19:25.27 | cjohnson | are n800s in stock anywhere? |
| 19:25.46 | johnx | rm_you, ick, I won't bother then |
| 19:26.09 | lcuk | cjohnson, the one big bonus about 800 is price |
| 19:26.17 | cjohnson | yeah |
| 19:26.18 | sp3000 | giggles |
| 19:26.21 | sp3000 | "libc6-dev was my favorite package for chinook." |
| 19:26.25 | johnx | I'll wait for my scratchbox env to set itself up for the billionth time and then compile 3.32 or whatever nokia has patches for |
| 19:26.26 | rm_you | johnx: ? that's with hi-res video too <_< |
| 19:26.28 | sp3000 | <3 |
| 19:26.34 | rm_you | johnx: thats with .33 |
| 19:26.39 | cjohnson | i like extra SD slot though, I copied my OS to it to remove stress from internal flash and give myself more OS room |
| 19:26.51 | johnx | rm_you, you only changed libbluetooth.so...that won't affect CPU usage |
| 19:27.05 | johnx | all the sbc stuff happens in libs shipped with bluez-utils |
| 19:27.08 | rm_you | i thought .33 was supposed to include a bunch of SBC patches |
| 19:27.13 | rm_you | ah |
| 19:27.20 | johnx | you weren't listening earlier :P |
| 19:27.20 | rm_you | goes to recompile |
| 19:27.27 | cjohnson | But in the US are there any places (online) I could get an n800 new right now? I've been looking and haven't found |
| 19:28.18 | johnx | wow...stock dried up fast |
| 19:28.50 | cjohnson | :( |
| 19:28.57 | johnx | google seems to know of a few |
| 19:29.07 | johnx | but not nearly as cheap as it was a month ago or so |
| 19:29.16 | cjohnson | I got mine like a month and a half ago |
| 19:29.21 | cjohnson | I saw it for 200 on newegg |
| 19:29.29 | Tamagotono | check tigerdirect.com it shows them instock at $219.99 |
| 19:29.30 | cjohnson | less than a week later newegg completely removed it from the list |
| 19:29.54 | cjohnson | woo! |
| 19:30.02 | cjohnson | it won't load :'( |
| 19:32.02 | johnx | rm_you, alright, I need to catch some sleep. Hopefully I'll wake up to find my Diablo scratchbox is nicely installed and working. |
| 19:32.46 | rm_you | lol |
| 19:32.48 | rm_you | johnx: kk |
| 19:32.57 | rm_you | ima compile new debian bluez-utils |
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| 19:33.21 | johnx | rm_you, look at Nokia's sources too |
| 19:33.32 | johnx | saves you the trouble of mucking with the debian control file |
| 19:35.44 | Tamagotono | I asked earlier about recommendations for a good irc client for the n800 and was recommended xchat. I have been looking all over but can't find it for os2008. Can someone point me in the right direction please? |
| 19:35.55 | Stskeeps | debian really wonders me at times.. <install something> "remove fam" <error from one of the installed packages:> "package dependancy libfam not installed".. |
| 19:37.11 | johnx | Tamagotono, google for xchat maemo chinook |
| 19:37.28 | johnx | actually, try xchat skyhuser |
| 19:37.49 | johnx | grr...hang on I'll just find a link |
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| 19:38.58 | johnx | skyhusker I guess |
| 19:39.00 | johnx | http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ |
| 19:39.13 | johnx | it says beta, but it works fine |
| 19:39.14 | Tamagotono | OK, I feel stupid now. I tried other google searches but didn't think about adding chinook! Thank you for your help. |
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| 19:40.38 | rm_you | wow scratchbox.org is SLOOOOW |
| 19:41.39 | cjohnson | Tamagotono, I love you :D |
| 19:41.55 | cjohnson | Tamagotono, dad's getting an n800 now D: |
| 19:41.57 | cjohnson | :D* |
| 19:42.06 | Tamagotono | glad I could help |
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| 19:42.44 | johnx | Tamagotono, that grr wasn't direct at you BTW, it was at my complete failure to find xchat with my own search terms O_o |
| 19:43.05 | Tamagotono | I got mine off of craigslist a couple of months ago. $170 !!! only slightly used :) |
| 19:43.18 | Jaffa | gets into dependency hell trying to build gnupg, gives up and raises a bug instead |
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| 19:44.20 | cjohnson | Tamagotono, I prefer my electronics to be new...I just have bad luck with used items |
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| 19:44.45 | cjohnson | johnx, how dare you >:o |
| 19:44.50 | rm_you | bought his n800 used |
| 19:44.54 | kkrusty | cjohnson: or you get ripped off |
| 19:45.04 | cjohnson | kkrusty, yeah. |
| 19:45.19 | Tamagotono | I figured it was worth the risk since he had the receipt, I figured if it didnt work I could send it in for repair. |
| 19:45.21 | kkrusty | cjohnson: only saying because it happened to me too :( |
| 19:45.36 | cjohnson | kkrusty, it's happened to me before |
| 19:45.50 | cjohnson | kkrusty, now I only shop electronics on Amazon, MicroCenter, NewEgg, or TigerDirect |
| 19:46.01 | cjohnson | kkrusty, and in fact I buy almost nothing off eBay |
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| 19:53.13 | lcuk | jaffa, like i said yesterday: am i safe to install diablo yet? ;) |
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| 19:56.14 | Tamagotono | Is there any extra configuration required to connect with xchat. I have it installed but cannot connect to the server. It might be the network here at work but my laptop is working fine with it. |
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| 19:57.48 | lcuk | if you can get internet from your device usually you can get xchat |
| 19:58.44 | lcuk | but i dunno which port it uses, it might be possible that its firewalled |
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| 20:02.28 | Tamagotono | thats what I am thinking. Trying to see if my laptop uses a diffrent port. |
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| 20:08.49 | dneary | evening |
| 20:09.01 | RST38h | hello dneary |
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| 20:10.07 | wazd | Hello again everybody :) |
| 20:10.17 | Tamago | woohoo it was the port that was blocked! |
| 20:10.21 | Jaffa | lcuk: diablo seems fine-ish to me. still having RSS weirdness |
| 20:10.50 | dneary | RST38h: Howdy |
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| 20:12.18 | Jaffa | ~mgedmin |
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| 20:33.41 | jacques-work | I just installed diablo, I hadn't upgraded to chinnok |
| 20:33.43 | jacques-work | chinook |
| 20:33.47 | jacques-work | seems nice so far |
| 20:34.13 | jacques-work | but I hear the method for getting root access has changed since I did it long ago |
| 20:34.23 | GeneralAntilles | ~easyroot |
| 20:34.23 | infobot | methinks easyroot is an easy way to get root access on OS2008 and can be found at http://nitapps.com |
| 20:34.40 | jacques-work | cool, looking... |
| 20:36.41 | RST38h | ssh root@localhost works just as well |
| 20:36.41 | Jaffa | Joy, more pre-teen wiki spam |
| 20:36.58 | jacques-work | lots of neat stuff on nitapps.com :-) |
| 20:37.00 | RST38h | Jaffa: show it show it pleazzzze =) |
| 20:37.10 | Jaffa | rolledback already :) |
| 20:37.35 | jacques-work | RST38h, thanks |
| 20:38.16 | RST38h | nano from nitapps crashes when attempting to search (^W) |
| 20:38.41 | GeneralAntilles | vi! |
| 20:38.45 | RST38h | anyone has got a working version? |
| 20:39.05 | RST38h | GA: no arrows. can't be any good without arrows. =) |
| 20:39.29 | Jaffa | RST38h: you sure Ctrl-W isn't closing the window? I have a problem pressing Ctrl-E to go to the end of the line - it brings up the search box |
| 20:39.44 | jacques-work | I thought arrows did work in vi |
| 20:39.49 | jacques-work | at least they do on my desktop |
| 20:40.00 | Jaffa | has just submitted vim to the auto-builder as well |
| 20:40.25 | GeneralAntilles | Search in nano segfaults. |
| 20:40.39 | jacques-work | oops, I have vi aliased to vim, so vim has arrows |
| 20:40.49 | RST38h | Jaffa: Definitely not - I have spent half of my life with pico |
| 20:41.01 | Jaffa | Arrows work in the built-in vi in Maemo |
| 20:41.14 | Jaffa | RST38h: I meant in the terminal emulator. You crash out to a shell? |
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| 20:41.27 | RST38h | Jaffa: yea, but not in the edit mode :) |
| 20:41.33 | RST38h | Jaffa: yep |
| 20:42.02 | RST38h | run nano either in osso-xterm or in ssh session, press ^W, and it will die on you |
| 20:42.53 | Jaffa | Meh I dislike nano as I *hate(d)* pico |
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| 20:44.14 | RST38h | likes pico: it is stupid, has arrows, and does not get in the way (except for its habit of breaking long lines) |
| 20:44.33 | GeneralAntilles | wishes you could resolve as duplicate in gforge tracker. . . . |
| 20:44.38 | GeneralAntilles | So satisfying. |
| 20:45.41 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: is this closed correctly you think? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3326 |
| 20:45.56 | rm_you | it seems like it isn't invalid, as there is incorrect information on the SCM page >_> |
| 20:46.07 | GeneralAntilles | Then say as much. |
| 20:46.14 | rm_you | i did... |
| 20:46.20 | rm_you | should i reopen it? |
| 20:46.39 | GeneralAntilles | should put his glasses on |
| 20:47.04 | GeneralAntilles | Well, if that's the issue, change the summary and reopen? |
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| 20:47.28 | RST38h | Modest email fetch died again. |
| 20:48.04 | RST38h | Who allowed this program into the firmware? At least the old mail client did not die when fetching mail =( |
| 20:48.50 | derf | Sure it did. |
| 20:48.57 | derf | Right after it filled up all of my RAM. |
| 20:49.08 | sp3000 | I think the old email app killed kittens |
| 20:49.19 | derf | sp3000: After it filled up all of their RAM. |
| 20:49.25 | sp3000 | so it may have been better, depending on your priorities |
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| 20:52.37 | derf | Actually, I guess technically the old mail client would not crash. |
| 20:52.53 | derf | It would start thrashing the page file and eventually cause the entire tablet to reboot. |
| 20:53.31 | rm_you | sleeps |
| 20:53.32 | rm_you | night |
| 20:53.40 | lcuk | night rm_you |
| 20:54.16 | RST38h | never had old client do any of these things |
| 20:54.19 | derf | But I've heard modest has a 15k message limit, so, you know, not much better. |
| 20:54.35 | RST38h | and if that client did kill kittents, it made sure to do it when I was not watching |
| 20:55.21 | RST38h | btw, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmfHHLfbjNQ |
| 20:55.24 | derf | RST38h: I have multiple, large, IMAP folders that all have mail delivered directly to them. |
| 20:55.28 | derf | I break mail clients. |
| 20:55.49 | RST38h | well, do not have large imap folders and do not ask your client to load message bodies |
| 20:56.05 | derf | I _didn't_. |
| 20:56.39 | RST38h | on the other hand, it depends on how large - you may end up filling memory with just email headers |
| 20:56.59 | derf | I set up the account, at no point suggesting it download message bodies, and it never recovered from that. |
| 20:57.10 | derf | RST38h: Only 20-30k messages at most. |
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| 20:59.54 | RST38h | should not break then |
| 21:00.12 | RST38h | not with memory overload unless it was doing something MAJORLY wrong |
| 21:00.13 | GeneralAntilles | There's a thread on -developers discussing the message limit. |
| 21:00.36 | RST38h | who cares about the message limit when the thing crashes when fetching mail? |
| 21:00.53 | RST38h | also crashes when I run it and it goes to scan remote folders for the first time |
| 21:00.55 | GeneralAntilles | Er, apparently, we do right now, as we're discussing it. :P |
| 21:01.02 | RST38h | lucky guys |
| 21:01.05 | derf | One of my friends recently told me of a guy he met who had just been on a trip to DC. |
| 21:01.18 | derf | Who said it was great, except for the fact that he got held up at gunpoint. |
| 21:01.20 | RST38h | derf: was he robbed? |
| 21:01.24 | RST38h | hehe |
| 21:01.26 | RST38h | knew it |
| 21:01.31 | derf | To which my friend responded, "Well, that couldn't have happened, because guns are banned in DC." |
| 21:01.37 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/38016 |
| 21:01.47 | GeneralAntilles | Pfft |
| 21:02.02 | derf | Anyway, I wasn't going to try it twice. |
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| 21:02.15 | derf | It may be slow, crappy, and extremely cumbersome, but at least webmail _works_. |
| 21:02.35 | RST38h | for 10 last years been suggesting to just wall DC off, airdrop automatic weapons, ammo, food, and drugs, then wait |
| 21:02.44 | derf | RST38h: I live here. |
| 21:02.50 | GeneralAntilles | Do itDo itDo it |
| 21:02.54 | RST38h | [there is no need to evacuate the government] |
| 21:02.55 | derf | I'd appreciate it fi you didn't. |
| 21:03.17 | RST38h | derf: which neighborhood? |
| 21:03.28 | derf | Arlington. |
| 21:03.36 | RST38h | Arlington, derf, is NOT DC |
| 21:03.36 | derf | Not exactly in DC, but inside the beltway. |
| 21:03.43 | RST38h | lived near Arlington |
| 21:04.12 | RST38h | It is very difficult to get held at gunpoint in Arlignton, especially considering that the place kinda dies out in off-work hours |
| 21:04.35 | derf | I don't know where you lived, but my neighborhood gets substantially louder after work hours. |
| 21:04.57 | derf | Especially on Fridays. |
| 21:04.58 | RST38h | derf: Wilson boulevard? |
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| 21:07.16 | RST38h | GA: I am kinda unsure on why he says that 12MB flash write will hang device for minutes |
| 21:07.23 | derf | Well, let's just say I live where I do because the street was filled with abandoned, foreclosed homes _before_ there was a subprime mortgage crisis. |
| 21:07.47 | RST38h | GA: But if flash writes are such a problem, he can probably gzwrite() envelopes - they will compress handsomely |
| 21:08.34 | RST38h | derf: In Arligton? Mmm, you must have been searching for this place for a long time =) |
| 21:09.18 | derf | One block to the south it's very, very nice. |
| 21:09.24 | derf | I can't afford to live there. |
| 21:09.27 | RST38h | When I lived there, every place that even remotely looked like a slum was filled with latinos |
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| 21:10.25 | derf | Latinos, blacks, you name it. |
| 21:10.33 | RST38h | Have not seen blacks there |
| 21:10.50 | RST38h | It is VA, so welfare rules must have been different from DC |
| 21:13.47 | derf | If the real-estate boom had continued for another year or two, I think it would've cleaned up a lot. |
| 21:14.06 | derf | A lot of people were cashing out of homes that had doubled and tripled in value and moving somewhere else. |
| 21:14.17 | derf | *moved |
| 21:15.27 | RST38h | Well. Kaboom. |
| 21:15.47 | RST38h | Probably going to shop for a house soon =) |
| 21:16.04 | derf | Yeah. But if you want to buy a house inside the beltway for $130k, you still can. |
| 21:16.12 | derf | It "needs some work". |
| 21:17.12 | RST38h | Nah, probably going to settle in MA |
| 21:17.47 | derf | Probably smarter. |
| 21:18.04 | RST38h | No way I am living inside DC beltway. Outside sounds better, but I hate the weather |
| 21:18.28 | RST38h | Would prefer Alaska, actually, if it had and computer industry :) |
| 21:18.54 | derf | Who needs a computer industry? |
| 21:18.59 | derf | All you need is an internet connection. |
| 21:19.17 | RST38h | Well, yes and no |
| 21:19.58 | RST38h | Telecommuting work can be found, but a lot of employers still want to see your sad face on daily basis |
| 21:24.00 | lcuk | takes a deep breath and tries c++ |
| 21:27.03 | crashanddie | tries ? |
| 21:27.38 | crashanddie | You'd better be good my fried, you wouldn't want me to humiliate you, would you now :P |
| 21:27.53 | crashanddie | good, my friend** |
| 21:28.11 | GeneralAntilles | Doesn't matter, he wont release any sources, anyway. ;) :P |
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| 21:29.32 | lcuk | crashanddie, :) remember me telling you i whipped through college eating courses... c++ was one of them - however ive not touched it since because i didnt have a need |
| 21:30.06 | lcuk | but managing the objects is getting tiresome, i need some help |
| 21:30.24 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, I'll give him one fag per header file :P |
| 21:30.38 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, he's a nicotine addict, just gotta know how to talk to them :P |
| 21:30.57 | lcuk | looks at his supply of tobacco |
| 21:31.26 | RST38h | lcuk, what is your c++ problem? |
| 21:31.35 | lcuk | i havent got one |
| 21:31.36 | GeneralAntilles | chuckles sophomorically at "fag". |
| 21:31.49 | RST38h | ok |
| 21:32.14 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, childish |
| 21:32.19 | lcuk | i just ran out of patience for now with c, and i am either gonna write a preprocessor or try c++ |
| 21:32.23 | derf | GeneralAntilles: Then I guess you didn't see http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/2698507.stm |
| 21:32.34 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk == http://home.comcast.net/~corkymcg/crime/nilsen.html |
| 21:34.07 | lcuk | wtf gen? |
| 21:34.15 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 21:34.53 | GeneralAntilles | I blame crashanddie for putting the picture of you getting a fags for code in my head |
| 21:35.10 | RST38h | lcuk, probably preprocessor |
| 21:35.15 | GeneralAntilles | chopping them up and flushing them down the toilet is the obvious next step. :P |
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| 21:36.21 | crashanddie | blame me for whatever you want, I will admit nothing |
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| 21:38.41 | *** topic/#maemo is Diablo Released | http://maemo.org | http://freedesktop.org/Software/sbox2/Maemo | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | http://www.gronmayer.com/it | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook | http://www.archive.org/details/QuimGil-MaemoLinuxtag2008Update | https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | https://wiki.maemo.org/maemo.org_logo_contest |
| 21:41.24 | crashanddie | could anyone give me their line for the maemo extras and extras-devel repos (in /etc/apt/sources.list) ? |
| 21:41.53 | RST38h | what is browserd anyway? it took over memory and cpu |
| 21:42.26 | GeneralAntilles | timeless's changelog will likely cover it, but, basically, it manages browser windows. |
| 21:42.31 | GeneralAntilles | Reduces the crash impact. |
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| 21:43.20 | GeneralAntilles | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ diablo free non-free |
| 21:43.20 | GeneralAntilles | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ diablo free non-free |
| 21:43.26 | crashanddie | is it ok to still have chinook repos ? |
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| 21:43.32 | crashanddie | cheers |
| 21:43.34 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 21:43.46 | GeneralAntilles | Just dupe those two lines and change to chinook. |
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| 21:44.49 | crashanddie | k |
| 21:46.07 | lcuk | \o/ 22:44:07 Welcome to liqgraffiti. |
| 21:46.07 | lcuk | 22:44:07 You passed 1 arguments |
| 21:47.29 | lbt | lcuk : http://www.learncpp.com/ great refresher that I'm using at the moment |
| 21:47.53 | lbt | I just wrote several hundred lines of C++/gtkmm and used about 3 typecasts |
| 21:47.54 | lbt | *THREE* |
| 21:48.05 | lbt | not THREE PER LINE!!!! |
| 21:48.13 | lbt | sighs |
| 21:48.19 | lcuk | :D |
| 21:48.21 | lbt | feels better... |
| 21:48.45 | RST38h | that is wrong |
| 21:49.00 | lbt | and libsig++ mmm |
| 21:49.21 | RST38h | has to be 3 per line ;) |
| 21:49.33 | RST38h | and make em dynamic |
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| 21:49.57 | lbt | my gui objects register with my data objects which send signals when they change... |
| 21:50.11 | lbt | just like Qt... |
| 21:50.38 | lcuk | for extra guru power have you included a script interface ;) |
| 21:50.45 | lbt | enjoys a post-coital moment.... |
| 21:50.57 | RST38h | cant hear about c++ objects any more today. Sleep! |
| 21:50.59 | lbt | it will have dbus |
| 21:51.06 | lbt | and xml |
| 21:51.18 | lbt | and a proper package |
| 21:51.23 | RST38h | kill kill xml |
| 21:51.35 | lbt | current build incantation is : dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -d -b |
| 21:51.35 | lcuk | lbt, package is half the reason im building this |
| 21:51.41 | lbt | inside scratchbox :) |
| 21:52.04 | crashanddie | I always love how crystal clear compiler output is... |
| 21:52.05 | crashanddie | display.cpp:85: error: request for member `setAmp' in `(((std::map<int, Band*, std::less<int>, std::allocator<std::pair<const int, Band*> > >*)((Display*)this)) + 56u)->std::map<_Key, _Tp, _Compare, _Alloc>::operator[] [with _Key = int, _Tp = Band*, _Compare = std::less<int>, _Alloc = std::allocator<std::pair<const int, Band*> >](((const int&)((const int*)(&i))))', which is of non-class type `Band*' |
| 21:52.43 | lbt | you missed a [ |
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| 21:52.55 | RST38h | shouldn't have used stl. |
| 21:53.00 | lbt | oh, wait, that's not a perl script.. |
| 21:53.03 | lbt | my mistake |
| 21:53.04 | RST38h | suffer now. |
| 21:53.23 | lbt | <list> |
| 21:54.02 | crashanddie | well in fact, my only mistake was "." instead of "->" :D |
| 21:55.39 | lbt | wanders off to stroke his friendly classes until they emit something... |
| 22:01.14 | GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo-meeting/2#SSU |
| 22:01.23 | GeneralAntilles | er, -#SSU |
| 22:02.01 | GeneralAntilles | Bugzilla's broken. . . . |
| 22:02.25 | crashanddie | erhm |
| 22:02.33 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, mind to help me out for a bit ? |
| 22:03.16 | crashanddie | I just tried to do a apt-get install libcommoncpp2-1.6-0, and I got yelled at about flash-and-reboot |
| 22:03.29 | GeneralAntilles | apt-get -f install |
| 22:03.30 | crashanddie | and initfs-flasher, kernel-diablo-flasher |
| 22:03.37 | crashanddie | that's not dangerous ? |
| 22:03.44 | GeneralAntilles | One sec |
| 22:03.48 | danilos | hi all, anybody got issues with diablo on nokia n800? (i.e. the firmware file is named RX34... yet in app manager it lists a bunch of uninstallable RX44 packages) |
| 22:04.03 | GeneralAntilles | Turn off red-pill. |
| 22:04.09 | crashanddie | k |
| 22:04.15 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-users/2008-June/021586.html |
| 22:04.22 | GeneralAntilles | It's safe. |
| 22:05.19 | crashanddie | cheers |
| 22:06.07 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, you gonna be at the MaemoCon ? |
| 22:06.24 | GeneralAntilles | Unlikely |
| 22:06.36 | GeneralAntilles | Partially due to scheduling and partially due to costs. |
| 22:06.40 | crashanddie | hmm |
| 22:06.41 | crashanddie | k |
| 22:06.58 | lcuk | :) stars works with a c++ base |
| 22:07.04 | lcuk | will start building classes now |
| 22:07.18 | GeneralAntilles | I could probably talk Nokia into paying my way there |
| 22:07.22 | GeneralAntilles | but there's still the issue of time. |
| 22:11.11 | GeneralAntilles | I guess bugzilla was being upgraded. |
| 22:12.13 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, that's too bad |
| 22:12.16 | lbt | lcuk: I guess you've seen the maemopad source? |
| 22:12.21 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, would be awesome to have you there |
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| 22:12.58 | lcuk | no, i know its there but never been interested. different priorities |
| 22:13.01 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, it'd be a fun trip. |
| 22:13.15 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, i agree. you have done a lot here |
| 22:13.44 | GeneralAntilles | lol . . . https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3330 |
| 22:14.08 | lbt | lcuk: as a template for deb packaging and automake... not coding |
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| 22:15.18 | crashanddie | Nice to see people still believe in Santa |
| 22:15.30 | lcuk | i cant use automake yet :( |
| 22:15.55 | GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Maemo-meeting/2#Time Can I talk somebody into helping out with the agenda yet? |
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| 22:24.06 | crashanddie | ok wth, I can't find the ccpp2 website anymore ? |
| 22:24.59 | lcuk | :( autoconf: Depends: debianutils (>= 1.8) |
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| 23:06.08 | lcuk | crashanddie, :) i'd forgotten how this was. i only ever did stdio classes, now i have the graphics thoughts in my head its great |
| 23:06.20 | crashanddie | lcuk, :D |
| 23:06.42 | crashanddie | lcuk, I might finish up a preview version of the viz tonight |
| 23:06.47 | lcuk | wicked! |
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| 23:39.08 | Mousey | hi |
| 23:39.19 | Mousey | late to the party as always, there's a new update for n810s? |
| 23:40.31 | t_s_o | yep, diablo got released the other day |
| 23:40.35 | Mousey | no |
| 23:40.37 | Mousey | wai! |
| 23:40.40 | Mousey | where do i upgrade?! |
| 23:40.47 | GeneralAntilles | Mousey, same place as always. |
| 23:40.55 | Mousey | there's a place?! |
| 23:40.59 | Mousey | god i'm such a n00b |
| 23:41.13 | GeneralAntilles | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php |
| 23:41.20 | GeneralAntilles | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php |
| 23:41.20 | Mousey | donk |
| 23:41.23 | Mousey | donk! |
| 23:41.23 | Mousey | hey |
| 23:41.30 | Mousey | will reflashing erase my tablet? |
| 23:41.43 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 23:41.48 | GeneralAntilles | Use Backkup/Restore to create a backup. |
| 23:41.50 | Mousey | AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 23:41.54 | Mousey | ok ok |
| 23:41.57 | Mousey | does that |
| 23:41.58 | towo | All custom files on the main drive |
| 23:42.09 | towo | Secondary flash should remain untouched |
| 23:42.13 | Mousey | last one tho, i hear |
| 23:42.13 | towo | Yet backup advised. |
| 23:43.11 | Mousey | backs up with vim |
| 23:43.46 | Mousey | will i have to re apt-get all my little applings? |
| 23:44.10 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, but the restore process automates it mostly. |
| 23:44.16 | Mousey | k |
| 23:44.33 | Mousey | will modest EVER do client side filtering? |
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| 23:48.58 | Mousey | and finally, i have to do this over USB huh? |
| 23:50.18 | GeneralAntilles | That's how flashing works |
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| 23:50.31 | Mousey | I'M NOT AFRAID!! |
| 23:50.35 | WormFood | good |
| 23:50.42 | WormFood | you shouldn't be afraid of usb |
| 23:50.53 | Mousey | i'm more afraid of puppies |
| 23:51.00 | crashanddie | that would be kinda sad |
| 23:51.09 | crashanddie | "NO, JACK, DON'T LEAVE ME ALONE" |
| 23:51.14 | crashanddie | "what the ? Why ?" |
| 23:51.23 | crashanddie | "THE COMPUTER ! IT..." |
| 23:51.25 | crashanddie | "it what ?" |
| 23:51.30 | crashanddie | "IT HAS A USB PORT !!!" |
| 23:51.40 | crashanddie | "eh ?" |
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| 23:52.18 | crashanddie | I'll just shut up now, sorry for that |
| 23:52.31 | Mousey | yah man.. you shouldn't make fun of peoples afflictions |
| 23:52.37 | Mousey | it's not polite |
| 23:53.01 | crashanddie | Yeah, sorry... bu |
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| 23:53.02 | crashanddie | but** |
| 23:53.05 | crashanddie | I'm not polite |
| 23:53.13 | crashanddie | I'm Sebastiaan :D |
| 23:53.29 | Mousey | is Mousey |
| 23:58.05 | m_mouser | Is there a pidgin plugin to blink the LED notifer on new messages like the built-in chat client does? |
| 23:58.15 | Mousey | downloads goodies, unpacks gear, prepares for USBattle! |
| 23:58.23 | Mousey | m_mouser: yes |
| 23:58.45 | Mousey | it's disguised as a plugin for the N800, but works fine on the n810 |
| 23:58.58 | summatusmentis | urgh... CDMA 1x is so slow... :-/ |