| 00:10.29 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 00:10.42 | GeneralAntilles | My Application Menu is very broken. :\ |
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| 00:11.49 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, do you know what broke it? |
| 00:11.59 | GeneralAntilles | Seemed to happen after I installed XChat |
| 00:12.01 | GeneralAntilles | but dunno |
| 00:12.04 | n800m | it's not official is it? |
| 00:12.59 | johnx | only for certain values of it |
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| 00:26.38 | GeneralAntilles | Reboot seems to have cleared it up |
| 00:26.41 | GeneralAntilles | we'll see if it sticks. |
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| 00:38.12 | *** topic/#maemo is Diablo Released | http://maemo.org | http://freedesktop.org/Software/sbox2/Maemo | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | http://www.gronmayer.com/it | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook | http://www.archive.org/details/QuimGil-MaemoLinuxtag2008Update | https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | https://wiki.maemo.org/maemo.org_logo_contest |
| 00:40.35 | timeless | can someone tell me why a logo wouldn't appear ? |
| 00:40.44 | timeless | oops |
| 00:49.56 | summatusmentis | alright, is there a way to backup all of my settings and installed apps, and install Diablo to my internal card? |
| 00:50.17 | timeless | "all settings" u,m... |
| 00:50.19 | timeless | "rsync" |
| 00:50.30 | timeless | but yes, you can install to an sdcard if you like |
| 00:50.35 | GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, use milhouse's cloning script? |
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| 00:50.47 | summatusmentis | I'm currently running my rootfs on my internal sd card |
| 00:50.49 | timeless | and the internal card shouldn't be any more or less special |
| 00:50.54 | summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: there's such a thing? |
| 00:51.01 | GeneralAntilles | Google it |
| 00:51.05 | GeneralAntilles | there's a thread on itT. |
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| 00:52.01 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8631 |
| 00:52.07 | summatusmentis | oof, I forgot about size of these images |
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| 01:09.57 | lcuk | smiles at nothing in particular |
| 01:11.07 | GAN800 | Wipe that smile off your face! |
| 01:11.48 | lcuk | why, ive just had the biggest compliment i think ive ever had :) |
| 01:12.23 | Tama^2 | what was the compliment? |
| 01:12.52 | Tama^2 | "your internet tablet is so biiiiiig" |
| 01:12.56 | Tama^2 | xD |
| 01:13.31 | summatusmentis | Linus Torvalds called him personally, said he saw the liqbase video, decided it was cool |
| 01:13.45 | summatusmentis | (then requested it to be released, so others could play) |
| 01:13.47 | summatusmentis | >_> |
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| 01:17.28 | lcuk | http://liquid.googlepages.com/lcuk |
| 01:17.44 | lcuk | there is a playtest there |
| 01:18.11 | summatusmentis | !!!!!!! |
| 01:18.21 | summatusmentis | :-D |
| 01:19.40 | lcuk | extract the whole folder somewhere and run. |
| 01:20.02 | crashanddie | You'll need root privileges in order to change res and CPU settings |
| 01:20.13 | crashanddie | and obviously, you need write rights to /home/user/* |
| 01:20.13 | lcuk | its noted on the page crash |
| 01:20.27 | lcuk | that sounds liek the voice of reason |
| 01:20.39 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:21.08 | crashanddie | bleh, and I was proud of having the exclusivity |
| 01:21.25 | lcuk | you said what i needed to hear :) thanks |
| 01:21.46 | penguinbait | Microb no longer depends on Matchbox in Diablo!! |
| 01:21.56 | penguinbait | thats awesome |
| 01:21.58 | lcuk | oh shit yer, diablo today as well |
| 01:22.23 | crashanddie | lcuk, don't know what it is I said, but... you're welcome, I guess :) |
| 01:22.29 | summatusmentis | is still downloading it now |
| 01:22.37 | crashanddie | lol :P |
| 01:22.38 | penguinbait | thanks for your help the other day lcuk |
| 01:22.52 | crashanddie | I downloaded the flash image in under 30 seconds :P |
| 01:23.09 | lcuk | penguinbait, what didn't i break? |
| 01:23.10 | summatusmentis | I'm on shitty 256k dsl |
| 01:23.29 | summatusmentis | 20 minutes remaining |
| 01:23.40 | crashanddie | lol |
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| 01:43.09 | rm_you| | hey guys |
| 01:43.19 | timeless | rm_you: net's flaky |
| 01:43.31 | rm_you| | I need suggestions for what cellphone to buy for my mother <_< |
| 01:43.34 | timeless | can someone tell me if http://mldonkey.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/skins/common/images/wiki.png is a stock logo or is part of that specific wiki |
| 01:43.44 | timeless | iPhone 2 :) |
| 01:43.47 | rm_you| | lol |
| 01:43.53 | rm_you| | i think that would be a bit too complicated |
| 01:43.59 | rm_you| | plus i'd have to jailbreak it for her <_< |
| 01:44.03 | timeless | why? |
| 01:44.05 | lcuk | rm_you, dont ask for source. http://liquid.googlepages.com/lcuk |
| 01:44.07 | rm_you| | tmOBILE |
| 01:44.11 | rm_you| | *TMobile |
| 01:44.11 | timeless | oh |
| 01:44.15 | timeless | well um... |
| 01:44.20 | rm_you| | lcuk: source? >_> |
| 01:44.55 | rm_you| | lcuk: eventually, right? :P |
| 01:45.12 | rm_you| | lcuk: maybe later you can give me just the source for the ebook part? :) |
| 01:46.16 | lcuk | that doesnt sound unreasonable |
| 01:46.26 | rm_you| | yeah this may not be the best channel to ask for a SIMPLE to use mobilephone :P IE, not a smartphone |
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| 01:46.30 | rm_you| | lcuk: :) |
| 01:47.01 | chibiAcyd | seriously lol |
| 01:47.24 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, Samsung has that old person's phone |
| 01:47.26 | GeneralAntilles | buy her that. |
| 01:47.39 | chibiAcyd | i never use my phone for much more than text messaging and evdo, and even then its a centro |
| 01:48.08 | chibiAcyd | or the little kids phone, can call 3 numbers and 911 |
| 01:48.20 | rm_you| | lol |
| 01:48.47 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.jitterbug.com |
| 01:48.55 | GeneralAntilles | High-larious |
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| 01:49.23 | chibiAcyd | i saw an ad for that in the post |
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| 01:50.55 | rm_you| | hrm |
| 01:52.09 | chibiAcyd | the verizon zv1 is decent. big buttons and rugged |
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| 02:00.58 | dmsuperman | So I have 2 questions, wondering if you guys might be able to help me out. |
| 02:01.19 | dmsuperman | 1: Is it the audio jack itself that sucks? Or do all of the audio apps output crappy? |
| 02:01.37 | lcuk | rm_you, whats up |
| 02:02.02 | dmsuperman | 2: I live in central Ohio. I don't have a GPS device, and I do have the n800. What are my best options as far as a mapping program, and then getting the maps for at the very least Ohio (but I'd prefer not to have the entire east coast, that's just a waste of space) |
| 02:02.27 | dmsuperman | Any suggestions or answers are greatly appreciated. Really good ones get cookies :D |
| 02:03.36 | lcuk | maemo-mapper for the maps |
| 02:03.47 | lcuk | you can download specified regions |
| 02:03.59 | dmsuperman | I thought it was maemo-mapper, but I couldn't remember |
| 02:04.10 | dmsuperman | And as far as I could tell I could only download east coast US, 700MB |
| 02:04.19 | dmsuperman | I'd prefer just Ohio, or at best that region |
| 02:04.27 | lcuk | dmsuperman, with the earphones, randomly try pressing the mic button when your playing music |
| 02:04.29 | lcuk | what happens |
| 02:04.39 | dmsuperman | I'd even be fine with a really detail Columbus |
| 02:04.42 | dmsuperman | I'll give it a try, sec. |
| 02:05.18 | GeneralAntilles | The East Coast thing is "Map" |
| 02:06.27 | dmsuperman | lcuk, hrm...where is the mic button at? |
| 02:07.18 | lcuk | on the nokia headphones in the middle |
| 02:07.21 | lcuk | along the cable |
| 02:07.38 | dmsuperman | nothing happens when i press it |
| 02:08.13 | dmsuperman | i have os2008, if that matters |
| 02:08.36 | dmsuperman | and i've noticed the issue in the audio jack itself...headphone independent |
| 02:08.39 | lcuk | no, on mine the volume changes from crappeh to ok |
| 02:09.02 | lcuk | it might have been misaligned i only ever tried it once and never bothered since |
| 02:09.03 | dmsuperman | when i press it it wakes the n800 up if the screen is dimmed |
| 02:09.06 | dmsuperman | but i didn't noticed any difference |
| 02:09.31 | dmsuperman | notice* |
| 02:11.02 | crashanddie | I don't think I ever used the Nokia headphones |
| 02:11.21 | dmsuperman | it's not the head phones |
| 02:11.26 | dmsuperman | anything i plug into the jack sounds bad |
| 02:12.09 | crashanddie | my SHURE headphones sound pretty awesome, no problem whatsoever |
| 02:12.28 | dmsuperman | i dunno |
| 02:12.32 | dmsuperman | it sounds a bit staticky |
| 02:12.51 | GeneralAntilles | Is it in all the way? |
| 02:12.56 | dmsuperman | for instance plugging the same set of headphones into my iPod, playing the same music, the iPod has much better audio quality |
| 02:13.02 | dmsuperman | yeah, it's in all the way |
| 02:13.15 | dmsuperman | it does take a bit of effort to get it in all the way |
| 02:14.51 | crashanddie | you might want to have that checked |
| 02:14.53 | crashanddie | got warranty ? |
| 02:14.53 | lcdd | the sound is pretty bad, but in some cases it does improve if you set all but one volume control to maximum |
| 02:15.19 | dmsuperman | i set all the volumes to max and it's bad |
| 02:15.32 | dmsuperman | what i end up doing to make it bearable is lower the master volume on the n800 |
| 02:15.41 | dmsuperman | then amplify using the headphones |
| 02:15.50 | dmsuperman | i lose bass, but i also lose static |
| 02:16.32 | crashanddie | meh |
| 02:16.35 | crashanddie | never had that issue |
| 02:16.48 | dmsuperman | So what's the cheapest solution to adding GPS to the n800? |
| 02:17.43 | GeneralAntilles | Don't go for cheapest |
| 02:17.45 | GeneralAntilles | Just get a decent one |
| 02:17.49 | GeneralAntilles | i-blue 737 |
| 02:17.54 | GeneralAntilles | or one of the MTK-based Holuxes |
| 02:18.19 | GeneralAntilles | Look at Stars makes me lol |
| 02:18.23 | GeneralAntilles | I could look at these all day |
| 02:18.25 | dmsuperman | alright, what's the cheapest way to get decent GPS |
| 02:18.48 | GeneralAntilles | i-blue or Holux |
| 02:18.49 | GeneralAntilles | ~$50 |
| 02:18.50 | infobot | ACTION takes the cash and sucks generalantilles off |
| 02:18.57 | dmsuperman | I don't need anything fancy, I don't mind if it's slow or whatever. I just want to be able to navigate around columbus |
| 02:18.58 | dmsuperman | ... |
| 02:19.00 | GeneralAntilles | Alright-y then |
| 02:19.04 | dmsuperman | haha |
| 02:19.08 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm |
| 02:19.10 | dmsuperman | so where might those be for sale at? |
| 02:19.11 | GeneralAntilles | ~$100 |
| 02:19.11 | infobot | ACTION gives generalantilles full service! |
| 02:19.16 | GeneralAntilles | Ha! |
| 02:19.22 | GeneralAntilles | amazon.com or newegg.com |
| 02:20.14 | dmsuperman | oh |
| 02:20.33 | dmsuperman | so do the device screens serve any purpose? |
| 02:20.44 | dmsuperman | or would i just be getting the device to send gps data to n800 |
| 02:20.55 | GeneralAntilles | They don't have screens |
| 02:21.00 | GeneralAntilles | They're just Bluetooth GPS receivers |
| 02:21.10 | dmsuperman | newegg search for holux turns up 2 devices |
| 02:21.10 | dmsuperman | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16858721001 |
| 02:21.12 | dmsuperman | that's one |
| 02:21.16 | dmsuperman | the other also has a screen |
| 02:21.22 | dmsuperman | i-blue is 0 results |
| 02:22.13 | dmsuperman | nvm, amazon has results |
| 02:22.26 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.amazon.com/i-Blue-737-Bluetooth-GPS-Receiver/dp/B000KH7MZ4/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=miscellaneous&qid=1214360523&sr=8-2 |
| 02:22.51 | dmsuperman | that's cheap |
| 02:22.59 | dmsuperman | why is the n800's gps kit so expensive? |
| 02:23.46 | GeneralAntilles | Because Nokia overcharges for their GPS receiver |
| 02:23.55 | GeneralAntilles | and it includes a ~$130 license for Wayfinder |
| 02:24.12 | dmsuperman | oh |
| 02:24.23 | crashanddie | Which isn't exactly expensive for 3 year service |
| 02:24.42 | dmsuperman | so as long as I use maemo-mapper, I'm not losing any real functionality to the navigation kit? |
| 02:24.49 | GeneralAntilles | No |
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| 02:24.58 | crashanddie | I use both |
| 02:25.02 | GeneralAntilles | The i-blue/Holux receivers are way better than the Nokia one anyway |
| 02:25.12 | dmsuperman | crashanddie why both? |
| 02:25.18 | GeneralAntilles | Offline routing |
| 02:25.37 | crashanddie | Maemo mapper for when I'm hiking, just want accurate satellite maps of the area I'm in |
| 02:25.50 | crashanddie | WayFinder for when I'm in the car |
| 02:26.23 | dmsuperman | so what does WayFinder offer that you can't achieve by just downloading the maps? |
| 02:26.34 | GAN800 | Be really badass if wayfinder could actually stack up against a Garmin. |
| 02:26.35 | crashanddie | "turn left" |
| 02:26.44 | crashanddie | GAN800, word |
| 02:26.58 | GAN800 | Actually, no, that would be orgasmic. |
| 02:27.21 | crashanddie | heh |
| 02:27.36 | dmsuperman | maemo mapper doesn't offer turn by turn? is it a planned feature? |
| 02:27.47 | crashanddie | dmsuperman, it supports it |
| 02:27.49 | GAN800 | I've got a Nuvi for travelling. Greatest thing in the world. |
| 02:28.01 | crashanddie | dmsuperman, but you need to be online to get the route calculated |
| 02:28.11 | GAN800 | The issue is getting the turn-by-turn data. |
| 02:28.18 | dmsuperman | crashanddie, oh. makes sense |
| 02:28.31 | dmsuperman | thinking about it, calculating a route would be pretty heavy |
| 02:28.34 | GAN800 | and Marvin isn't the easiest voice to understand. |
| 02:28.46 | lcuk | knight rider GPS FTW! |
| 02:29.20 | lcuk | http://gizmodo.com/5019065/hands+on-knight-rider-gps-verdict-its-kittastic |
| 02:29.54 | crashanddie | "Hello Michael, please don't get in a fight today, as I'm not yet connected to the mechanical parts of myself, so I will not be able to save your ass" |
| 02:30.19 | crashanddie | "Thanks Kitt ! Now let's go to Twitter Ave" |
| 02:30.44 | dmsuperman | So, for somebody like me who doesn't need turn-by-turn...the best solution is just to get that i-blue reciever and download the maps for my area? |
| 02:30.47 | GeneralAntilles | I'd rather watch Hulk reruns. |
| 02:30.54 | GeneralAntilles | Bingo |
| 02:31.28 | crashanddie | dmsuperman, sure |
| 02:31.35 | dmsuperman | awesome |
| 02:31.41 | dmsuperman | i love this device even more every time i use it |
| 02:31.45 | crashanddie | dmsuperman, also, notice that Wayfinder does work without the subscription |
| 02:31.50 | dmsuperman | I got a bluetooth keyboard |
| 02:32.00 | crashanddie | dmsuperman, only, it "only" shows where you are, but you can still lookup addresses and stuff |
| 02:32.22 | dmsuperman | alright |
| 02:32.31 | dmsuperman | i want to avoid subscriptions while i can |
| 02:32.39 | dmsuperman | tuition tends to drain my monthly income |
| 02:35.55 | crashanddie | dmsuperman, I think the combination of both really works out well |
| 02:36.31 | GeneralAntilles | Wish they would get around to updating the maps. . . . |
| 02:37.37 | dmsuperman | so if i just wnat to navigate around columbus, I set the topleft and bottom right corners to just outisde of them. which levels of details should I probably get? |
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| 02:38.31 | GeneralAntilles | Down to 4-5 |
| 02:38.35 | crashanddie | Depends on what you want to do |
| 02:38.41 | crashanddie | But I never go under 4 |
| 02:38.49 | crashanddie | I think I have 4-6-10 |
| 02:39.08 | dmsuperman | 5 says it will be up to 1.3GB |
| 02:39.12 | dmsuperman | 7 says 82mb |
| 02:39.25 | dmsuperman | does that mean I lose access to roads? |
| 02:39.36 | Dekaritae | Well fook |
| 02:39.41 | crashanddie | no, it's just the quality of the picture |
| 02:39.56 | dmsuperman | psh |
| 02:40.00 | lcuk | well, bed for me |
| 02:40.02 | dmsuperman | i don't care about quality |
| 02:40.05 | dmsuperman | level 20 detail! |
| 02:40.21 | crashanddie | dmsuperman, lvl 20 would give you the map of the earth |
| 02:40.53 | dmsuperman | but with a higher numbered level of detail, I can still see smaller roads? |
| 02:41.05 | GeneralAntilles | There's a threshold |
| 02:41.07 | GeneralAntilles | Zoom around a bit |
| 02:41.12 | Dekaritae | Between level 6 and 9 is appropriate |
| 02:41.13 | GeneralAntilles | see what works for you before you download. |
| 02:41.19 | Dekaritae | For GPS usage |
| 02:41.26 | dmsuperman | how can I test it before I download it? |
| 02:41.30 | dmsuperman | how do I knkow which zoom level I'm at? |
| 02:41.39 | Dekaritae | It will tell you on-screen if you have that enabled |
| 02:41.40 | GeneralAntilles | It says in the upper right |
| 02:41.40 | dmsuperman | right now i'm downloading level 8, and i'm gonna play with it |
| 02:41.42 | dmsuperman | because it's only 5mb |
| 02:41.51 | dmsuperman | alright |
| 02:41.51 | GeneralAntilles | You can auto-download. |
| 02:42.04 | GeneralAntilles | Read the help, too. ;) |
| 02:42.21 | dmsuperman | yeah, planned on doing that later ;) :P |
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| 02:43.24 | dmsuperman | is there a way to see it in map view rather than satellite picture view? |
| 02:44.10 | Dekaritae | Yes, change the map repository |
| 02:44.14 | dmsuperman | ah |
| 02:44.19 | dmsuperman | i was using google satelite |
| 02:44.26 | dmsuperman | is there a suggested repo? |
| 02:44.33 | Dekaritae | I prefer Google Street |
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| 02:45.04 | lcuk | gnite everyone, jakes back up :S |
| 02:48.39 | dmsuperman | gnight lcuk |
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| 02:56.10 | crashanddie | shit |
| 02:56.12 | crashanddie | 5 am |
| 02:56.19 | crashanddie | I have to be at a meeting tomorrow at 8 |
| 02:56.21 | crashanddie | well |
| 02:56.30 | crashanddie | not exactly tomorrow anymore, is it, eh ? |
| 02:56.32 | crashanddie | cheers, bye |
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| 03:04.51 | smackpotato | hows the flashing going anyone with problems |
| 03:05.30 | Dekaritae | I'm curious as to the same. Should I be expecting a Firefox-esque "the following add-ons are incompatible..."? |
| 03:05.37 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 03:05.44 | GeneralAntilles | It's 99% compatible with Chinook. |
| 03:05.49 | Dekaritae | Yay |
| 03:05.49 | dmsuperman | Hurray! |
| 03:06.02 | GeneralAntilles | libssl was the only major library change |
| 03:06.06 | dmsuperman | what's flashing? |
| 03:06.08 | dmsuperman | new version? |
| 03:06.22 | smackpotato | yep |
| 03:06.31 | dmsuperman | ooh! what's new? |
| 03:06.41 | dmsuperman | is it dev or full version? |
| 03:06.59 | smackpotato | from flashing to flash . hows,the video |
| 03:07.58 | GeneralAntilles | It was updated |
| 03:08.01 | GeneralAntilles | Small improvement. |
| 03:08.13 | smackpotato | thats ok |
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| 03:11.26 | dmsuperman | what's changed in the new version? |
| 03:11.50 | GeneralAntilles | A few things |
| 03:11.59 | dmsuperman | like? |
| 03:12.07 | GeneralAntilles | Updated Application manager |
| 03:12.10 | GeneralAntilles | IPv6 support |
| 03:12.12 | GeneralAntilles | browser was updated |
| 03:12.14 | GeneralAntilles | flash was updated |
| 03:12.17 | GeneralAntilles | xterm was updated |
| 03:12.22 | GeneralAntilles | some AGPS stuff |
| 03:12.28 | GeneralAntilles | General improvements |
| 03:12.36 | summatusmentis | is the AGPS standard? or is it still the beta thing? |
| 03:12.36 | GeneralAntilles | Virtual input methods are less buggy |
| 03:12.54 | GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, it's still in beta, I believe, but I don't have an N810 to confirm with. |
| 03:13.01 | summatusmentis | mm |
| 03:13.15 | dmsuperman | sweet @ the virtual input methods |
| 03:13.17 | summatusmentis | I'll flash either tonight or tomorrow |
| 03:13.22 | dmsuperman | other stuff...meh |
| 03:13.28 | dmsuperman | i'll still flash just because i'm addicted |
| 03:13.42 | dmsuperman | will flashing kill my current setup? is there a way to in-place upgrade? |
| 03:13.58 | summatusmentis | it's a point release, shouldn't be wildly improved |
| 03:16.35 | GeneralAntilles | Depends on how you use the device |
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| 03:16.38 | GeneralAntilles | xterm is a LOT better |
| 03:16.46 | GeneralAntilles | dmsuperman, SSU is for future updates, not this one. |
| 03:16.55 | GeneralAntilles | backup/restore should catch most things |
| 03:19.00 | summatusmentis | better how GeneralAntilles? |
| 03:20.06 | smackpotato | any camra extras |
| 03:20.21 | GeneralAntilles | all around |
| 03:20.22 | smackpotato | camera |
| 03:20.33 | GeneralAntilles | toolbar is better |
| 03:20.40 | summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: I should just be able to use flasher-2.0 right? |
| 03:20.42 | GeneralAntilles | fkb works better |
| 03:20.47 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, flasher-2.0 works fine. |
| 03:21.24 | summatusmentis | alright, cool |
| 03:21.41 | summatusmentis | flashing now |
| 03:22.22 | summatusmentis | oh crap, boot menu is gone again |
| 03:22.48 | smackpotato | ill have to bring my computer out of storage to rflash |
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| 03:24.05 | GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, it needs to be updated anyway |
| 03:24.27 | summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: I guess so, but still :-. |
| 03:24.29 | summatusmentis | :-/ |
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| 03:28.13 | summatusmentis | all the extras are gone... sad! |
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| 03:32.13 | GeneralAntilles | Just duplicate the Extras entry and make it for Chinook |
| 03:33.20 | summatusmentis | fair enough |
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| 04:04.53 | Dekaritae | Unable to install ogg-support-lightmediascanner |
| 04:04.54 | Dekaritae | Application packages missing: flash-and-reboot (= 3) |
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| 04:29.18 | freelikegnu | but will it blend? |
| 04:30.06 | pekuja | everything blends |
| 04:30.11 | pekuja | except Chuck Norris, apparently |
| 04:31.40 | freelikegnu | will Diablo blend ttls/pap into a yummy wifi smoothie? |
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| 04:33.13 | freelikegnu | Blendtec uses Chuck Norris dental fillings to coat the blades of their blenders... |
| 04:33.52 | freelikegnu | just dont breath the black smoke |
| 04:34.18 | pekuja | Chuck Norris doesn't have dental fillings. he has perfect teeth |
| 04:37.45 | dnb | Looks like I'm not the only person on the hunt for osso-ic to get rhapsody to work. Given that the package has been replaced (according to apt-get), any suggestions? |
| 04:39.32 | GAN800 | It's something that needs to be fuxed Rhapsody side. |
| 04:39.39 | GAN800 | s/fux/fix/ |
| 04:40.01 | dnb | GAN800: meaning we should just hang out and wait for a new package to be added to the nokia repos? |
| 04:40.22 | GAN800 | osso-ic is the connectivity daemon, basically. |
| 04:40.43 | GAN800 | So there's no downgrading that. |
| 04:40.50 | dnb | GAN800: hmm, ok. |
| 04:40.55 | GAN800 | Rhapsody needs to learn to package. |
| 04:41.13 | GAN800 | Have you sent them an email or called? |
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| 04:41.46 | dnb | GAN800: last time I ping'd rhapsody on anything regarding this device, I went through a week or two of frustration just to get them to ack that the device existed. |
| 04:42.13 | GAN800 | Can't blame Nokia for that. ;) |
| 04:42.34 | dnb | GAN800: I was just curious because apt-get clearly knows which package replaced osso-ic, I was wondering if another replacement spec file would fix the problem. |
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| 04:43.08 | dnb | GAN800: oh, no blame to them (though at the time, they go into a finger pointing loop w/rhapsody) |
| 04:43.33 | dnb | GAN800: but I was thinking, since it is their repository this is coming from and is in the default diablo menus... |
| 04:43.48 | dnb | (BTW, diablo way cool for any nokia folks reading this) |
| 04:44.14 | dnb | I didn't know if it made sense to file a bug in the tracker as a result. |
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| 04:45.07 | GAN800 | I don't know why somebody didn't say 'hey, we're updating, time to fix your package'. . . . |
| 04:45.31 | GAN800 | There's no Rhapsody component. It's clearly not a Bugzilla issue. |
| 04:46.20 | dnb | GAN800: good point, I buy that. I don't know how to raise a bug in Nokia proper to get them to get the rhapsody folks to... ya know. |
| 04:46.43 | GAN800 | Yeah, I don't know either. ;) |
| 04:47.02 | GAN800 | Best answer I've got is Rhapsody support. . . . |
| 04:47.38 | dnb | GAN800: then we are doomed (probably until someone in Nokia US finds they can't use it) |
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| 04:55.26 | L0cutus | re |
| 04:56.04 | L0cutus | does the actual maemo apps run on the new diablo or need to recompile ? |
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| 04:58.52 | doc|home | yey, new os |
| 04:59.38 | L0cutus | yep |
| 05:00.02 | L0cutus | doesn't know if actual apps need to recompile to work... |
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| 05:05.38 | RST38h | no need to recompile |
| 05:09.14 | L0cutus | great thanks |
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| 05:17.24 | snowmoon | any python hackers still awake? what's the syntax for setting a text field non-autocap or numeric only? |
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| 05:26.22 | L0cutus | seems there is already the dual boot procedure for diablo :) |
| 05:27.37 | GeneralAntilles | Not all that much changed. |
| 05:28.19 | L0cutus | hum |
| 05:28.29 | L0cutus | its a good or a bad thing ? ;-) |
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| 05:48.54 | Wraak | hi |
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| 05:51.08 | pekuja | I can't seem to find instructions for flashing the Diablo image onto my N810 |
| 05:51.15 | pekuja | could anyone point me to the right direction? |
| 05:51.39 | L0cutus | i've used the old ones |
| 05:51.46 | qwerty12 | http://tabletschool.blogspot.com/2008/01/nokia-n800-how-to-update-n800s-firmware.html |
| 05:51.48 | L0cutus | (n800) |
| 05:58.00 | qwerty12 | Woot, nokia now include the kernel as part of the diablo sdk download so no need for dodgy symlinks to compile kernel modules in scratchbox ;) |
| 05:58.59 | RST38h | Still no diablo bootstrap for sb2 though =( |
| 05:59.11 | L0cutus | so now 'apt-get dist-upgrade' is possible ? |
| 05:59.15 | qwerty12 | Meh, what about sb2 :P |
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| 06:00.38 | qwerty12 | RST38h, Actually, cant you use the one here: http://repository.maemo.org/stable/4.0/armel/ ? |
| 06:00.58 | qwerty12 | The same kinda folder structure is mentioned here: http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/sbox2/Maemo |
| 06:05.14 | qwerty12 | "[sbox-DIABLO_ARMEL: ~] >" |
| 06:07.46 | qwerty12 | Finally. I don't have to resort to hacking to get a panels control panel in scratchbox anymore. |
| 06:08.34 | RST38h | qwerty: I am not sure if I can use it |
| 06:08.57 | RST38h | qwerty: 'cause sb2 has a special script to install rootstraps and it expects them at some predefined location |
| 06:10.53 | qwerty12 | Hmm, probably. But http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/sbox2/Maemo has a section on setting it up manually and they use the rootstrap from the chinook folder. To me, it seems like replacing that wget line with diablo and 4.1 should work too. |
| 06:11.21 | RST38h | it does not - there is no diablo rootstrap there |
| 06:11.27 | RST38h | not yet at least :) |
| 06:14.16 | L0cutus | the script of penguinbait isn't available for download ? (this one i mean: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20534) |
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| 06:16.54 | macoute_ | that is propably the most ugly forum message ive seen in ages |
| 06:18.45 | qwerty12 | ~lart matchbox-window-manager for being a POS which can't handle windows properly |
| 06:18.45 | infobot | pries matchbox-window-manager's back open with a screwdriver and flashes a new bootldr to matchbox-window-manager for being a POS which can't handle windows properly |
| 06:18.50 | inz | I'm gonna stick to chinook SDK |
| 06:18.51 | qwerty12 | ~lart nokia for using it |
| 06:18.51 | infobot | shoots nokia in his sleep for using it |
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| 06:19.30 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, just switch to KDE and STFU. :P |
| 06:19.31 | inz | Just as I've stuck to mistral and bora "3.0" |
| 06:19.59 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, No. So I put KDE down a dependency for conky? |
| 06:20.16 | inz | lart kde for being ugly piece-of-s*it |
| 06:20.43 | macoute_ | theres nothing wrong with kde |
| 06:20.54 | macoute_ | but is it reponsive on tablet? |
| 06:20.57 | qwerty12 | Woot, you can have my 1.4MB deb, just make sure you make a 2 GB partition for KDE too! |
| 06:21.33 | macoute_ | GeneralAntilles: is it? :P (fast, the KDE) |
| 06:21.44 | inz | I dunno why, but I don't like how KDE looks at all -- maybe you could theme it pertty, but never seen one |
| 06:22.09 | qwerty12 | My view still stands, matchbox handles windows shit. |
| 06:22.26 | macoute_ | im more accused to gnome to be honest, but ive used kde with no bad memories :) |
| 06:22.36 | macoute_ | and i dont know about theming at all |
| 06:22.56 | macoute_ | now ive run debian etch default theme since it was released :P |
| 06:24.00 | macoute_ | my tablet's theme is default too, but my Vista computers background image was replaced to a debian one :) |
| 06:24.06 | GeneralAntilles | I don't use KDE |
| 06:24.34 | GeneralAntilles | Meh, qwerty12, learn to work with it, not against it. ;) |
| 06:24.47 | macoute_ | ok. i still have some thoughts about the optimization |
| 06:26.27 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, It's impossible though :(. I have this conky config that makes it run in an own window but undecorates it so it looks like it is running on the desktop. In matchbox,even with that config, matchbox insists on a new window. I won't deny that nokia did give us applets for putting stuff on the desktop but I wish matchbox didn't suck. |
| 06:27.22 | GeneralAntilles | Matchbox has its way of working |
| 06:27.31 | GeneralAntilles | just because you're trying to break that doesn't make it "suck" |
| 06:27.35 | GeneralAntilles | Why not make it an applet? |
| 06:28.28 | RST38h | qwerty: I gave you a blank applet app a while ago |
| 06:28.36 | RST38h | qwerty: Just attach Conky to that apple |
| 06:28.41 | RST38h | t |
| 06:29.01 | RST38h | Running it in its own X window is not right anyway |
| 06:29.20 | qwerty12 | RST38h, Yes, I should look at that again. |
| 06:30.11 | qwerty12 | Ah well, there is a good thing about Nokia using QT later on, probably means matchbox will have to piss off. |
| 06:31.07 | GeneralAntilles | Where do you get that from? |
| 06:31.12 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia wont be using Qt |
| 06:31.16 | GeneralAntilles | They'll just be bundling it. |
| 06:31.34 | qwerty12 | Damn, I thought I read that the interface would be replaced with qt. |
| 06:31.39 | qwerty12 | Now I'm upset. |
| 06:31.41 | GeneralAntilles | :\ |
| 06:31.42 | RST38h | I am not sure QT is going to help much |
| 06:32.03 | RST38h | I mean, it is a much cleaner API than GTK, but it will not help in this particular case |
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| 06:32.43 | RST38h | With Conky, you basically have a plain XLib app that wants an XWindow. So you somehow pull XWindow handle from that GTK applet app and give it to Conky |
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| 06:33.06 | GeneralAntilles | With Fremantle, apparently, being Xorg |
| 06:33.11 | GeneralAntilles | who knows what'll happen. |
| 06:33.20 | GeneralAntilles | But Qt isn't one of those things, anyway. |
| 06:34.27 | inz | RST38h, how is Qt apI much cleaner? |
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| 06:35.37 | RST38h | inz: Uses classes, everything neatly compartmentalized and type-checked |
| 06:35.58 | inz | RST38h, so you're comparing Qt C++ API and Gtk+ C API? |
| 06:38.16 | RST38h | I am comparing two UI APIs |
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| 06:39.38 | inz | Sure the C API is the native for Gtk+, but there are bindings for almost everything |
| 06:40.27 | inz | Gtk+ uses classes the way it can, as C doesn't have them. |
| 06:40.47 | inz | And C is much nicer language to choose, as you can quite easily then generate the bindings |
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| 06:42.28 | RST38h | inz: this is basically your subjective opinion |
| 06:42.58 | inz | RST, sure it is subjective, are you saying you're objective? |
| 06:43.44 | RST38h | will abstain from making an argument for or against C++ as a language (has its pros and cons), but having UI API broken into classes with strict type checking definitely makes it easier to use |
| 06:44.40 | inz | I'm not fighting agains C++, I'm just against comparing the APIs in totally different and incomparable languages |
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| 06:46.01 | RST38h | Whether you want it or not GTK+ and QT are two competing APIs |
| 06:46.23 | RST38h | C/C++ are not competing languages though as they can be used interchangeably |
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| 06:55.42 | inz | Ooh, Qt C bindings do exist |
| 06:56.25 | RST38h | as well as GTK+ C++ bindings |
| 06:56.42 | RST38h | Neither is widely used though |
| 06:57.17 | doc|home | yey |
| 06:57.21 | doc|home | mail client crash |
| 06:57.22 | RST38h | Also, GTK+ folks had to come up with *their own* C++ish language (Vala) just to achieve features QT has by default |
| 06:57.41 | RST38h | doc: Modest? It crashes. |
| 06:57.54 | doc|home | just did for me |
| 06:58.57 | doc|home | and it's only connecting to one imap account for some reason |
| 06:59.02 | doc|home | gives thumbs down |
| 07:00.19 | RST38h | it's screwed up, albeit not as much as the previous client |
| 07:00.37 | RST38h | one-account-at-a-time thing seems to be a feature, not a bug |
| 07:00.43 | doc|home | at least the previous client would connect to two servers at the same time |
| 07:00.47 | doc|home | it's a sucky feature |
| 07:00.51 | doc|home | ponders claws |
| 07:01.34 | RST38h | And you can't set font size and name |
| 07:02.01 | RST38h | X-Fade: Is there somebody responsible for maintaining Modest at Nokia? |
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| 07:04.15 | inz | RST, well, Qt also kind of invented their own language, thus the need for moc |
| 07:05.13 | RST38h | MOC isn't really a language... |
| 07:05.48 | RST38h | Just a bunch of custom macros, like they have in MFC, GEOS, etc |
| 07:06.02 | doc|home | "Unable to send" is not a useful error message |
| 07:06.07 | doc|home | stabs |
| 07:06.47 | doc|home | especially when it sends! 3 times! |
| 07:06.51 | doc|home | stabs some more |
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| 07:07.19 | RST38h | doc: In short, it is still unusable for mail =) |
| 07:07.34 | GAN800 | RST38h, try bugzilla? |
| 07:07.53 | doc|home | RST38h: dunno, stil lsetting up accounts, need more time to be really sure |
| 07:08.03 | doc|home | it decided to ignore my backed up account info :/ |
| 07:08.25 | inz | RST, it isn't really a language, but then again, it isn't really C++ |
| 07:08.37 | GAN800 | RST38h, djcb or pvanhoof are in here every so often. |
| 07:08.50 | inz | RST, well, I guess you can do manually what MOC does, so that it is actually C++ |
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| 07:11.02 | RST38h | GAN: Yes, I have seen pvanhoof here, but he has written on his blog that he is leaving Modest for better pastures for now |
| 07:11.17 | RST38h | inz: It is still C++, really |
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| 07:11.46 | RST38h | In any case, C++ as a language is not a problem here. GCC will happily compile both C and C++ and even link 'em |
| 07:13.00 | RST38h | GAN: I would try bugzilla but the fact that the release version of the client does not show more than one remote account at once and does not even memorize zoom level in the email view is somehow discouraging |
| 07:13.25 | inz | RST38h, if you have a "section" signals: in class definition, it doesn't really sound like C++ |
| 07:13.43 | inz | RST38h, which GCC might not bee too happy about |
| 07:13.45 | inz | -e |
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| 07:14.16 | GAN800 | eh, if nobody complains, nothing'll change. |
| 07:14.30 | RST38h | inz: it's just preprocessor |
| 07:14.56 | RST38h | inz: You can have all kinds of crap in there, as long as CPP or some other preprocessor tool converts it to valid C++ |
| 07:15.10 | RST38h | GAN: I know, but it is still discouraging |
| 07:15.54 | GAN800 | That's why we have ssu. ;) |
| 07:17.06 | RST38h | Are bugzilla accounts different from maemo garage? It does not let me in |
| 07:17.47 | zap | yes they are |
| 07:17.52 | RST38h | Why? |
| 07:18.39 | GAN800 | Because single-sign-on hasn't beeb set up yet. |
| 07:18.47 | RST38h | umgh |
| 07:18.49 | GAN800 | s/beeb/been/ |
| 07:19.02 | GAN800 | it takes all of ten seconds |
| 07:19.31 | RST38h | You probably know yourself that these 10 seconds cost 75% visitors? |
| 07:20.21 | GAN800 | We don't want people who aren't willing to put ten seconds into reigstering submitting bug reports. :P |
| 07:20.38 | RST38h | Mmm...dunno |
| 07:20.50 | GAN800 | and spam |
| 07:21.05 | GAN800 | We don't need spam reports using up bug numbers. :/ |
| 07:21.46 | inz | RST, well, valac can be used as a "preprocessor" for C |
| 07:21.50 | inz | RST, does that make it C? |
| 07:22.05 | GAN800 | Look at all the fun allowing anonymous edits is causing on the wiki. |
| 07:23.09 | lbt | GAN800: ? how do you mean? |
| 07:23.27 | GAN800 | Spam everywhere |
| 07:23.37 | lbt | hah :) |
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| 07:24.10 | GAN800 | The temp bans I've been putting in place keep expiring, we get a half-dozen spam pages in a couple hours and I put the ban back. |
| 07:24.20 | EruditeHermit | hey is anyone on an n800 running diablo in here? |
| 07:24.29 | lbt | yes |
| 07:24.31 | GAN800 | we needs a conclusion on the issue. |
| 07:24.37 | EruditeHermit | does the cam flip work? |
| 07:24.49 | EruditeHermit | my cam app doesn't flip or start when I pop the camera out |
| 07:24.58 | EruditeHermit | even though the option for that is selected |
| 07:25.08 | EruditeHermit | when I have chinook kernel running, it works |
| 07:25.10 | RST38h | inz: But valac is not a preprocessor, it does not only do text substitution |
| 07:25.17 | GAN800 | Does it work under Chinook? |
| 07:25.20 | EruditeHermit | yes |
| 07:25.21 | RST38h | It generates a C program for you, fromscratch |
| 07:25.36 | lbt | yes |
| 07:25.54 | Navi | Is it just me, or does backspace not work using the GNU screen in the tablet repos? |
| 07:25.55 | EruditeHermit | lbt: does yours work in diablo? |
| 07:26.03 | limesloth | @EruditeHerm, flip works here |
| 07:26.11 | lbt | EruditeHermit: it does |
| 07:27.06 | lbt | GAN800: I posted my opinion on anon edits on the ml - there's no benefit; the best captcha for us is for people to register. |
| 07:27.32 | GAN800 | I agree. ;) |
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| 07:29.40 | RST38h | GAN: 3 bugs filed |
| 07:29.59 | RST38h | is also against anonymous wiki edits |
| 07:30.15 | inz | RST, moc can also create an source file from your header file, this is not text substitution either |
| 07:30.43 | EruditeHermit | does anyone know why this could be? |
| 07:30.50 | RST38h | Whatever Great Wiki Founders (GWFs) thought about human beings, they were wrong |
| 07:31.05 | inz | maemo is too small for anonymous edits |
| 07:31.19 | RST38h | inz: this is not really a necessary feature |
| 07:31.24 | timeless | ping |
| 07:31.31 | RST38h | inz: You can live without it same as you can live without MFC wizard |
| 07:31.33 | timeless | can anyone talk to me about http://tracker-project.org/ ? |
| 07:31.42 | timeless | http://www.gnome.org/projects/tracker/ lists that host in its title |
| 07:31.46 | RST38h | inz: For Vala, C code generation is the main function |
| 07:31.48 | timeless | but it doesn't seem to exist |
| 07:32.21 | RST38h | inz: Basically, if you are trying to prove that Vala == MOC, you might want to stop now |
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| 07:32.34 | macoute_ | timeless: iirc just like .mac |
| 07:32.43 | macoute_ | the idea, i mean |
| 07:32.58 | RST38h | GAN: I do not believe any of these bugs will be addressed any time soon, but anyway... |
| 07:33.07 | timeless | macoute: i was more interested in why the dns entry didn't yield a web server |
| 07:33.07 | inz | No, that's not what I want to prove, I just want to say that Qt also "invented their own language" to make things simpler for developers |
| 07:33.18 | RST38h | inz: MOC is not a language |
| 07:33.28 | RST38h | It is a bunch of cusotm macros that make life a bit easier |
| 07:33.28 | inz | RST, but the source isn't C++ either |
| 07:33.33 | timeless | macoute, which of the magnifier or blue thing is the logo in http://www.gnome.org/projects/tracker/images/meta_tracker_logo.png |
| 07:33.35 | RST38h | Vala *is* a language |
| 07:34.03 | RST38h | inz: Well, then neither is C++Builder, nor MFC code, nor Motif code (if you use their preprocessor) |
| 07:34.06 | macoute_ | timeless: hard to say :P i think its the whole package |
| 07:34.15 | inz | RST, sure |
| 07:34.20 | macoute_ | timeless: as a icon, id prefer that magnifier |
| 07:34.29 | RST38h | inz: The difference is that all of these *are* C++ programs + some macros |
| 07:34.30 | macoute_ | timeless: you making a port? |
| 07:35.07 | timeless | no |
| 07:35.09 | timeless | http://www.ohloh.net/projects/4040 |
| 07:35.15 | RST38h | inz: Vala is not C++ by any measure. Rather, it is something created by anti-C++ fanatics who reached a deadend with C but could not make themselves use C++ :) |
| 07:35.16 | inz | RST, although I could argue moc does more than text substitution |
| 07:35.35 | timeless | sighs |
| 07:35.37 | timeless | http://www.ohloh.net/projects/4041/edit |
| 07:35.45 | timeless | people should be required to use FF2 or FF3 |
| 07:35.48 | RST38h | inz: Well, you already said it could generate empty .cpp files from headers |
| 07:36.03 | inz | RST, and it requires certain inheritance orders |
| 07:36.07 | timeless | dear whomever. spelling counts |
| 07:36.26 | RST38h | inz: well, this does not make it unC++ :) |
| 07:36.38 | inz | RST, no, but it makes it more than a preprocessor |
| 07:36.55 | inz | RST, well, more than a dummy preprocessor at least |
| 07:37.15 | RST38h | If they wanted a dummy preprocessor they would use CPP |
| 07:37.33 | inz | Which they do, after their own a-bit-less-dummy preprocessor ;) |
| 07:37.48 | lbt | it sounds more like a compiler that targets c++ |
| 07:37.50 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, don't set your own milestones. :P |
| 07:38.00 | timeless | macoute: how do i mailto: Raphael Slinckx <http://raphael.slinckx.net/deskbar/> |
| 07:38.04 | lbt | in the same way java targets it's intermediate code |
| 07:38.08 | RST38h | inz: Still it is pretty amusing to read Vala release announcements and see how hard authors are trying to avoid mentioning C++ |
| 07:38.23 | timeless | ah nm |
| 07:38.42 | inz | RST, surely vala has features C++ doesn't |
| 07:38.48 | RST38h | inz: They are even comparing Vala with C# =) |
| 07:38.55 | inz | RST, (mind you, I've never used vala) |
| 07:38.56 | lbt | I like the 3rd pic google provides for a search on 'vala' |
| 07:38.59 | timeless | nm, they use bugzilla |
| 07:39.01 | RST38h | inz: I am pretty sure opposite is also true :) |
| 07:39.23 | macoute_ | timeless: heh :) |
| 07:39.37 | macoute_ | raphael.slinckx@deskbar.net :) |
| 07:39.38 | lbt | valac, the Vala compiler, is a self-hosting compiler that translates Vala source code into C source and header files. |
| 07:39.42 | inz | RST, agreed, whether this is good or bad, I won't say anything |
| 07:39.55 | RST38h | GAN: Well, I wasn't sure about that field. Maybe there should be a separate bug submission UIs for dummies like myself =) |
| 07:40.11 | lbt | which explains why they don't mention C++ I guess ;) |
| 07:40.14 | GeneralAntilles | The guided submission form should be put in place at some point. :\ |
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| 07:40.27 | RST38h | inz: But the initial (2-hours old) point is that having classes in UI API *helps* :) |
| 07:40.59 | RST38h | lbt: Naah, they mention C# (which also has fewer things in common with Vala) but omit C++ |
| 07:41.04 | inz | RST, and that is something that Gtk+ does have, but in a language that has no native classes |
| 07:41.29 | RST38h | inz: I.e. it has "classes" but you can't take advantage of this fact |
| 07:41.43 | inz | RST, sure you can, it just takes quite a bit of work |
| 07:41.47 | RST38h | inz: No type checking, no name scopes |
| 07:41.59 | inz | RST, how so no type checking? |
| 07:42.13 | inz | RST, why do you think the GTK_IS_blabla() -macros are for? |
| 07:42.14 | RST38h | inz: Yea, you can obviously make use of an engine-less BMW, it just takes a bit of work =) |
| 07:42.49 | inz | RST, thus the bindings for oo languages (and the invention of their own) |
| 07:42.50 | RST38h | inz: you mean I am supposed to check all types MYSELF using macros? :)))) |
| 07:43.08 | RST38h | inz: Well, in QT you already have all this stuff |
| 07:43.20 | inz | RST, because the API is in C++ |
| 07:43.28 | RST38h | inz: Very good observation :) |
| 07:43.38 | inz | And we've got nowhere |
| 07:44.01 | RST38h | No, you basically admitted that having a C++ API helps things, didn't you? |
| 07:44.09 | RST38h | Isn't it progress? |
| 07:44.12 | inz | I didn't want to make any points for or against anything, but only comparing C and C++ APIs |
| 07:44.39 | inz | I know the difference of C and C++, and know that an OO language has it's benefits in UI programming |
| 07:44.51 | RST38h | This observation is kinda obvious though, we did not need 2 hours :) |
| 07:45.20 | RST38h | [the obvious minus of C++ is that you have to recompile stuf when your public API changes] |
| 07:45.41 | inz | And that your compiler takes 1 GB of ram instead of <100 MB |
| 07:45.54 | RST38h | Really? My compiler (GCC) does not |
| 07:46.10 | inz | Well, that was while I was compiling cmake |
| 07:46.18 | RST38h | Neither does Watcom |
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| 07:46.35 | RST38h | inz: Then something in cmake makes compiler take that much RAM |
| 07:46.50 | RST38h | I *can* write a C program that will do the same to compiler btw |
| 07:47.08 | Navi | timeless, you there? |
| 07:47.16 | inz | Sure you can, but then you're doing something you're not supposed to |
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| 07:47.22 | timeless | yes |
| 07:47.35 | RST38h | inz: No. It will be absolutely valid and even useful C code |
| 07:47.47 | timeless | can someone tell me what icon empathy uses? http://live.gnome.org/Empathy |
| 07:48.17 | Navi | timeless, GeneralAntilles wants to know if you'll guys will permit community-supported microb-svn builds on -devel |
| 07:48.39 | timeless | i don't think we should have any reason to object |
| 07:48.51 | timeless | but doesn't that not work because of app manager? :) |
| 07:49.19 | Navi | It'd probably break a lot of crap |
| 07:49.27 | Navi | I'm against it myself |
| 07:49.53 | timeless | navi: offhand, i'd probably prefer a private repo |
| 07:49.57 | timeless | w/ testing for a month |
| 07:50.02 | timeless | show me evidence of a dozen users happily using it |
| 07:50.07 | timeless | and then we can consider -devel |
| 07:50.23 | timeless | however, if you get 2 unhappy or remotely borked users. trash the idea |
| 07:50.27 | timeless | and destroy the repo |
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| 07:51.05 | Navi | heh |
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| 07:54.35 | eichi | what is the version 4.1? SDK is only for developer? |
| 07:54.48 | eichi | or is this a real maemo update für table users? |
| 07:54.56 | trickie|work | both |
| 07:55.02 | trickie|work | an OS update for uses |
| 07:55.04 | trickie|work | users |
| 07:55.09 | trickie|work | and an SDK update for developers |
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| 07:57.28 | eichi | okay |
| 07:57.42 | eichi | this is the last update with neccessary re-flashing? |
| 07:58.08 | eichi | wow, how fast nokia did, whats common on all other linux distributions ;) |
| 07:58.08 | GAN800 | presumably |
| 07:58.26 | aquatix | apt-get install os2009 :P |
| 07:58.41 | GAN800 | Meh, show me another mobile device that works like that. :P |
| 07:58.53 | aquatix | can't think of any |
| 07:59.00 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:59.04 | GAN800 | aquatix, maemo-5 |
| 07:59.08 | aquatix | hey Jaffa |
| 07:59.12 | GAN800 | Hi, Jaffa |
| 07:59.14 | aquatix | GAN800: yeah |
| 07:59.21 | trickie|work | its a completely different paradigm to dist-upgrade on a PC |
| 08:00.07 | trickie|work | hmmm... well i guess the paradigm is the same, different low level issues :) |
| 08:00.55 | johnx | GAN800, anything based on angstrom :P |
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| 08:02.26 | Jaffa | johnx: how many commercial companies have released anything based off angstrom which aren't new start-ups? |
| 08:02.35 | trickie|work | johnx: still depends on the machine... may have to flash kernel seperately etc |
| 08:02.49 | johnx | trickie|work, that's fair enough |
| 08:03.13 | trickie|work | Jaffa: one of the latest garmin PND's is based on Poky IIRC |
| 08:03.19 | trickie|work | which is another OE distro |
| 08:05.20 | trickie|work | http://butterfeet.org/?p=57 |
| 08:06.12 | trickie|work | not entirely sure if it is OE built so to speak, or just using some components/software from Poky/OH |
| 08:06.46 | lcuk | laughs at person wanting to save sketches as .txt |
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| 08:08.38 | aquatix | lcuk: it *is* sort of possible ;) |
| 08:08.39 | jott | lcuk: you can create quite nice ascii art even from vector based sketches ;) |
| 08:08.50 | aquatix | remembers Gimp's export to .xml feature |
| 08:08.52 | aquatix | or html |
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| 08:10.36 | lcuk | its sort of possible but not practical, least not until i put in hwr |
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| 08:11.21 | RST38h | lcuk: Save 'em in SVG with .txt extension! |
| 08:11.32 | RST38h | And let him read THAT |
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| 08:12.13 | lcuk | svg would/should work in the long run without too much hassle, i just cant be arsed learning the syntax yet :) |
| 08:12.24 | lcuk | anywayn, back laterish |
| 08:12.35 | Dekaritae | I lost my GPS |
| 08:12.56 | Dekaritae | It is somewhere in my room. It is on, because Maemo Mapper just connected to it |
| 08:13.08 | timeless | heh |
| 08:13.12 | jott | lcuk: http://www.torchsoft.com/images/aas_screenshot4.gif http://www.torchsoft.com/images/aas_screenshot5.gif :) |
| 08:14.56 | lcuk | jott :) your knowledge of obscure formats awes me ;) thanks for making sense out of randomness |
| 08:15.09 | Dekaritae | Yay found it |
| 08:15.17 | Dekaritae | Was in the pocket of a shirt I'd hung away |
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| 08:18.44 | Addison | Greetings everyone! |
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| 08:18.58 | Addison | Just stopping by here from one quick question. |
| 08:18.59 | jott | wonders how many blog posts about nokia&symbian on his various planet subscriptions he still has to mark as read ;) |
| 08:20.01 | Addison | Is there a Terminal or Telnet client thingie that can run in full screen mode and allows you to disable the scroll bar? |
| 08:20.16 | timeless | how many have been worth reading? |
| 08:20.50 | jott | timeless: "mark as read" != read ;).. not many though. |
| 08:21.05 | Addison | I know that Qwerty's Putty release allows you to disable the scroll bar, but I can't seem to find a way to get it into full screen mode. |
| 08:21.05 | jott | Addison: osso-xterm can do this |
| 08:21.52 | Addison | Which version is that jott? I just have the standard one that comes with OS 2008, the one just before Diablo. |
| 08:22.02 | Addison | Any chance you could point to me the download? |
| 08:22.42 | RST38h | Addison: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=osso-xterm+&btnG=Search |
| 08:22.59 | Addison | Is it this one? |
| 08:23.00 | jott | Addison: it's preinstalled, but i made some updated packages if you are on chinook http://sse2.net/xterm .. haven't yet looked at diablos version of it |
| 08:23.00 | Addison | http://pupnik.de/xterm.html |
| 08:23.27 | jott | http://omag.es/blog/2008/05/07/truly-fullscreen-osso-xterm/ there seems to be a blog post that explains on how to get it to true fs |
| 08:24.03 | Addison | Thanks jott! Wow, you're a real coder too! It was a pleasure. :) |
| 08:24.39 | Addison | Well, that's all I needed. Have a good one guys! |
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| 08:30.01 | cy3o3 | Sup guys |
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| 08:33.58 | cy3o3 | Anyone flash the new firmware yet? |
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| 08:38.36 | lardman|afk | cy3o3: yep |
| 08:39.56 | cy3o3 | over the air updates will be nice |
| 08:40.09 | cy3o3 | any trouble with it? |
| 08:40.52 | lardman|afk | No, nor have I had any real problems with the "unofficial" beta |
| 08:41.07 | cy3o3 | rockin' |
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| 08:56.34 | t_s_o | seems like the diablo release got overshadowed by a new mid release of ubuntu... |
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| 09:03.31 | aquatix | t_s_o: ubuntu has a new release? :) |
| 09:04.01 | t_s_o | of the kind specifically made for mid/umpc, yes... |
| 09:04.14 | aquatix | oh |
| 09:04.19 | aquatix | that one |
| 09:04.23 | aquatix | shrugs |
| 09:05.40 | aquatix | hopes openssh gets updated soon for diablo |
| 09:05.53 | aquatix | my NIT is a tad less useful at the moment |
| 09:06.38 | timeless | hrm, kinda funny, we really should push openssh, since it's part of the dev buidls |
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| 09:08.53 | aquatix | btw, the diablo modest works better with my imap server |
| 09:09.06 | aquatix | it now marks mails `read' |
| 09:09.08 | aquatix | happy |
| 09:10.06 | aquatix | now, if openssh and omweather update, i'm settled |
| 09:11.29 | aquatix | ah, and ogg support |
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| 09:31.32 | t_s_o | err, i could have sworn that i have openssh working here... |
| 09:32.26 | aquatix | t_s_o: well, at least the install links don't work here |
| 09:33.05 | t_s_o | i think i got it pulled in automatically at restore... could be because i happened to have a maemo extras entry pointing at chinook my accident :P |
| 09:33.23 | aquatix | yeah, i didn't restore much |
| 09:33.32 | aquatix | only contacts and bookmarks |
| 09:33.54 | t_s_o | tried altering maemo extras to point to both chinook and diablo? |
| 09:34.35 | aquatix | not yet |
| 09:34.51 | aquatix | can try |
| 09:34.58 | aquatix | with gprs it might take a while though |
| 09:35.44 | t_s_o | ouch |
| 09:36.41 | aquatix | erm |
| 09:37.50 | aquatix | maemo maemo extras only lists free and non-free |
| 09:38.10 | timeless | inz: ping |
| 09:39.12 | t_s_o | bingo, the empty line above defaults to diablo as long as it has no content. if you enter "chinook diablo" (no quotes) into it, things should probably work |
| 09:39.47 | t_s_o | another option is to create a new repo, similar to the one your looking at right now, but enter chinook in that line... |
| 09:40.28 | aquatix | t_s_o: ah |
| 09:40.33 | aquatix | i'll update in an hour |
| 09:40.36 | aquatix | lunch now :) |
| 09:42.12 | inz | timeless, pong |
| 09:42.17 | timeless | see email |
| 09:42.20 | timeless | i hope :) |
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| 09:42.58 | timeless | dneary: how's the map of the world doing? |
| 09:43.15 | inz | timeless, damn gmail spam filter |
| 09:43.30 | dneary | Howdy |
| 09:43.40 | dneary | timeless: It's gone through Quim, made a decent first draft |
| 09:43.51 | dneary | timeless: I'll forward it on to you if you'd like |
| 09:43.56 | timeless | please |
| 09:44.10 | dneary | Next step is to go person-by-person and make sure they don't mind being listed in the wiki |
| 09:44.31 | timeless | on average, i tend to object |
| 09:44.39 | timeless | people try to list my real name w/ my username |
| 09:44.43 | timeless | and i consider that a show stopper :) |
| 09:44.52 | dneary | And to list all the companies & contractors Nokia works with publicly, and make sure *they* don't mind being on the list |
| 09:45.02 | timeless | interesting |
| 09:45.03 | dneary | Then sollicit individual community members to sign up |
| 09:45.22 | timeless | last i checked, the primary blocker there was nokia itself refusing to let contractors acknowledge relations |
| 09:45.30 | timeless | it'd be great if that went away |
| 09:45.42 | timeless | we have some really messy bits in most teams because of that |
| 09:46.13 | timeless | darn, i have a meeting, and i haven't prepped |
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| 09:51.22 | RST38h | Heh, TheRegister found a real reason behind Symbian buyout |
| 09:51.38 | RST38h | Not that difficult, apparently |
| 09:52.07 | macoute_ | a link? |
| 09:52.28 | RST38h | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/06/25/bill_ray_symbian_nokia/ |
| 09:52.43 | RST38h | 8 years of royalty payments |
| 09:53.06 | RST38h | So, it looks like S40 has gotta go, being replaced with S60 |
| 09:53.46 | macoute_ | well, if that was the only reason, why opensource it? :) |
| 09:55.53 | RST38h | Well they are not open sourcing it YET |
| 09:56.01 | RST38h | So we do not know what conditions are going to be |
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| 10:32.36 | rm_you | yoyo |
| 10:32.38 | rm_you | back |
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| 10:35.11 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: erm... https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19 |
| 10:36.16 | rm_you | is that good? |
| 10:36.18 | rm_you | <_< |
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| 10:36.45 | rm_you | bleh doubt it helps me any |
| 10:36.59 | RST38h | rm_you: A while ago, you have been willing to host Maemo package Aggregator? |
| 10:37.06 | rm_you | RST38h: surte |
| 10:37.08 | rm_you | *sure |
| 10:37.12 | lcuk | rm_you, :) did you get to have a peek |
| 10:37.14 | RST38h | Still willing? =) |
| 10:37.20 | rm_you | lcuk: not yet, just got back. |
| 10:37.22 | rm_you | RST38h: sure |
| 10:37.29 | inz | I hosted one for a while |
| 10:37.36 | rm_you | just got my projector... watched the new Futurama movie, and Pulp Fiction :P |
| 10:37.37 | RST38h | rm_you: give me your email I will send you the code |
| 10:37.43 | rm_you | RST38h: k |
| 10:38.03 | inz | RST, what does your aggregator do? |
| 10:38.10 | rm_you | lcuk: can you link me again? |
| 10:38.17 | rm_you | *lcuk_wrk |
| 10:38.37 | lcuk_wrk | ok, liqbase playtest here http://liquid.googlepages.com/lcuk |
| 10:38.46 | lcuk_wrk | back later :) |
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| 10:38.53 | rm_you | kk |
| 10:39.02 | RST38h | inz:it aggregates! |
| 10:39.24 | inz | RST, ooh, couldn't have guessed |
| 10:39.36 | rm_you | k got it |
| 10:39.44 | RST38h | rm_you: Sent. Please, let me know when you set it up and also if you have got any problems |
| 10:40.15 | RST38h | inz: our sql server is down now so I can't demonstrate. We will have to wait for rm_you to set it up |
| 10:40.39 | rm_you | RST38h: ok... the SQL stuff is all there?w |
| 10:40.50 | rm_you | i will have to modify it a little prolly, but i'll get it up ASAP |
| 10:41.13 | RST38h | rm_you: yep |
| 10:41.22 | RST38h | Do CreateDB.sql to create database |
| 10:41.27 | rm_you | what you want the url to be? |
| 10:41.28 | RST38h | Crawler.pl will crawl repos |
| 10:41.40 | RST38h | rm_you: Whatever you feel to be good |
| 10:41.52 | RST38h | Something/PackRat/ should probably do |
| 10:41.53 | rm_you | k |
| 10:42.02 | rm_you | lcuk_wrk: hrm |
| 10:42.07 | RST38h | I won't be able to maintain it at komkon, so it is up to you now |
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| 10:42.46 | inz | My script tried to extract changelog entries from the packages too |
| 10:42.52 | inz | Unfortunately quite few actually had them |
| 10:43.18 | X-Fade | inz: I have the same problem for the downloads catalog. I wanted to use changelog info there too. |
| 10:43.54 | inz | X-Fade, my implementation did actually work somewhat, not too well though |
| 10:43.57 | rm_you | I have changelog info >_> |
| 10:44.31 | hrw | morning |
| 10:44.34 | X-Fade | inz: And then you have proper debian package swith changelog entries for a package respin. |
| 10:44.43 | X-Fade | inz: And you need to filter them out. |
| 10:45.30 | inz | I wonder how long would my script run now... |
| 10:45.47 | inz | After all, it downloads every new package in every repo it finds... |
| 10:45.58 | RST38h | you do not need to do it |
| 10:46.05 | RST38h | it is sufficient to load metadata from the repos |
| 10:46.14 | aquatix | does an repository update with maemo extra's chinook enabled |
| 10:46.14 | inz | RST, not it isn't, if you want changelog |
| 10:46.17 | aquatix | over gprs |
| 10:46.39 | RST38h | but changelogs are not that important really - people seldom write useful stuff there |
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| 10:47.00 | inz | RST, yeah, realized that, but were they properly used, they'd be great |
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| 10:47.35 | aquatix | like in debian and ubuntu |
| 10:47.52 | mmr | just installed diablo anyone in to answer a few q's |
| 10:47.52 | aquatix | even reads those |
| 10:48.24 | rm_you | writes useful stuff in his changelogs |
| 10:48.34 | inz | rm, like "foo" and "bar"? |
| 10:48.58 | mmr | ok ill shoot |
| 10:48.59 | inz | RST, does your script run on extras, some pre-defined list of repos or how? |
| 10:48.59 | aquatix | yay, downloading openssh [1.1MB] over gprs now |
| 10:49.01 | mmr | xchat asks for libssl 0.9.7 |
| 10:49.21 | mmr | but i understand diablo come 0.9.8 |
| 10:49.24 | inz | Doesn't it come with both? |
| 10:49.39 | RST38h | inz: it loads repo list from gronmayer |
| 10:49.49 | mmr | has anyone successfully installed it? |
| 10:49.56 | inz | RST, ahh |
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| 10:50.36 | inz | RST, mine used the old wiki page |
| 10:51.16 | lbt | lcuk_wrk: nice :) |
| 10:52.26 | mmr | any offers? |
| 10:53.39 | lcuk_wrk | lbt this is still without a huge set of changes - which are pending the db side of things :) its just technology demo still. i decided to let people see rather than spending a few more days/weeks setting those up |
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| 10:56.26 | rm_you | RST38h: hrm... is there a way to get URLs in PERL natively without using wget? |
| 10:56.37 | lbt | lcuk_wrk: well, it's running here... a couple of glitches; some n800 vs n810 things; I'm glad you took the first steps... |
| 10:57.35 | mmr | ok so to sum up |
| 10:57.49 | mmr | transmission and xchat are not working |
| 10:57.56 | RST38h | rm_you: I am afraid not |
| 10:57.57 | mmr | everything else so far so good |
| 10:58.13 | inz | libwww-perl |
| 10:58.26 | RST38h | rm_you: Tried finding a decent way to do it but no luck |
| 10:58.26 | mmr | anyone got the above apps working? |
| 10:59.21 | lbt | and I see your sketches are each a fixed size... I thought there was an infinite, scrollable, piece of v-paper |
| 10:59.27 | lcuk_wrk | lbt - glitches? never.. |
| 10:59.45 | lbt | which makes sense with our chat t'other night |
| 10:59.59 | lbt | physics is a blue screen... |
| 11:00.08 | rm_you | lcuk_wrk: i sent you a crash report |
| 11:00.09 | rm_you | orrr |
| 11:00.12 | lbt | none of which matters a damn - stars are cool!! |
| 11:00.13 | rm_you | wait, i am sending it now |
| 11:00.21 | rm_you | lcuk_wrk: on second run it appears to work nicely |
| 11:00.23 | lcuk_wrk | graffiti wall, the interaction between wall and editing and transitions etc requires me to think in database terms (or build a shedload of indexing/management) so will come later |
| 11:00.49 | lcuk_wrk | lbt, if you are running in performance things are MUCH quicker |
| 11:00.50 | lbt | that's where I was talking 3d RPG stuff - |
| 11:01.09 | rm_you | RST38h: well, that could be a problem, as I don't have wget available on my host... |
| 11:01.09 | lbt | what's the cmd line ? |
| 11:01.14 | lbt | for performance |
| 11:01.26 | rm_you | RST38h: i am working on putting it on there, need to find a wget binary compiled with static libs |
| 11:01.40 | lcuk_wrk | well - what surprises me about this tablet is lack of original stuff designed for the spec of the machine :) |
| 11:01.48 | rm_you | lcuk_wrk: it crashes whenever I let the screen turn itself off (set to 1 minute on my tablet) |
| 11:02.02 | lcuk_wrk | lbt, just run it as root (or sudoers) and in the options you can upgrade cpu |
| 11:02.02 | rm_you | 03:59:39 Unknown event 33, let me know what happened at |
| 11:02.46 | RST38h | rm_you: You do not have shell access? |
| 11:02.47 | lcuk_wrk | rm_you, yes, in the ITT thing i mention that, its paranoid and will be until i go round and have a full hildonization :) it also does similar if you lock screen or press home key |
| 11:03.01 | rm_you | RST38h: i do, but it is in a chroot jail, wget is outside |
| 11:03.09 | rm_you | lcuk_wrk: k |
| 11:03.13 | lcuk_wrk | i would rather bailout on unhandled events than carry on :) |
| 11:03.17 | rm_you | ignore my email then :) |
| 11:03.22 | lbt | OK - yep... |
| 11:03.34 | lcuk_wrk | i do anyway rm, ive setup a special filter just for you |
| 11:03.34 | rm_you | RST38h: -jailshell: /usr/bin/wget: Permission denied |
| 11:03.38 | rm_you | lol |
| 11:03.54 | lcuk_wrk | if mail==whingey rm_you -> delete :P |
| 11:04.42 | rm_you | if (equals($sender, "rm_you") || contains($subject, "Open Source")) move($message, "Trash"); |
| 11:04.46 | lcuk_wrk | rm_you, regarding screen blanking, on mine when charging its set to always keep screen on so it never gets in my way - you will just have to play more |
| 11:05.21 | rm_you | lcuk_wrk: still interested in source for liqreader |
| 11:05.35 | rm_you | while I try to learn PERL so i can get rid of this wget |
| 11:05.38 | timeless | hello world |
| 11:05.46 | timeless | anyone here know of an icon for last.fm? |
| 11:05.49 | rm_you | hello timeless |
| 11:06.20 | aquatix | timeless: see last.fm? |
| 11:06.27 | timeless | http://www.macupdate.com/images/icons/20130.png is audioscrobbler |
| 11:06.50 | aquatix | myeah |
| 11:06.58 | RST38h | rm_you: Can they allow you to use wget? |
| 11:07.02 | aquatix | but they use that logo on last.fm site too |
| 11:07.42 | timeless | but i'm tempted to use http://www.ikony.w.inds.pl/images/ikony/Last_Fm_Dock_Icon_by_AlperEsin.jpg |
| 11:08.42 | rm_you | RST38h: NO |
| 11:08.44 | rm_you | err |
| 11:08.47 | rm_you | didnt mean to caps that |
| 11:08.56 | rm_you | anyway, what about LWP::Simple? |
| 11:09.02 | rm_you | http://www.devdaily.com/perl/edu/qanda/plqa00020.shtml |
| 11:09.13 | RST38h | well, try it |
| 11:09.19 | rm_you | I dont know PERL >_> at all |
| 11:09.21 | rm_you | i tried |
| 11:09.23 | RST38h | remembers trying something like this but it did not work =( |
| 11:09.29 | rm_you | dunno if it did anything |
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| 11:13.19 | rm_you | anyone here know PERL and want to help out with a hopefully quick modification? |
| 11:15.08 | johnx | timeless, what are you collecting these icons for? |
| 11:15.08 | aquatix | lol |
| 11:15.17 | aquatix | ok, omweather from chinook doesn't work on diablo |
| 11:15.24 | aquatix | it crashes the gui |
| 11:15.34 | aquatix | [at least, clicking the settings button does] |
| 11:15.46 | johnx | aquatix, yup, same behavior here |
| 11:15.52 | aquatix | disables |
| 11:16.44 | aquatix | i can wait for a diablo version |
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| 11:17.57 | aquatix | \o/ at least i have ssh again |
| 11:18.03 | aquatix | happy |
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| 11:21.26 | rm_you | RST38h: nm got it |
| 11:21.33 | RST38h | what was it? =) |
| 11:21.36 | rm_you | RST38h: i compiled a version of wget |
| 11:21.40 | rm_you | and scp'ed it over |
| 11:21.41 | RST38h | !!! |
| 11:21.46 | aquatix | hm |
| 11:21.53 | aquatix | does the chinook wget work? |
| 11:22.07 | RST38h | not on a PC server :) |
| 11:22.13 | rm_you | aquatix: this was to my hosting company's chrooted thingy |
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| 11:22.15 | aquatix | heh |
| 11:22.17 | rm_you | ack, not need gzcat |
| 11:22.23 | rm_you | *now |
| 11:22.28 | aquatix | is installing wget from chinook on his diablo n810 |
| 11:22.36 | aquatix | but as it depends on libc6 and such |
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| 11:26.00 | rm_you | sh: Images/pidgin-sounds-old_2.3.1-0nix1.png: No such file or directory |
| 11:26.03 | rm_you | RST38h: is that normal? |
| 11:26.07 | rm_you | or is something failing |
| 11:26.39 | lcuk_wrk | i can hear the sound in glorious technicolor |
| 11:26.56 | rm_you | lol |
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| 11:29.32 | rm_you | http://ageofikon.info/packrat/ |
| 11:29.37 | rm_you | RST38h: look to be working? |
| 11:30.28 | kevinverma | anyone knows why meamo-extras don't list any packages yet for Diablo ? |
| 11:30.40 | kevinverma | is that repo not yet ready for diablo ? |
| 11:30.52 | rm_you | kevinverma: pretty much |
| 11:31.13 | kevinverma | rm_you, you mean not ready right ? |
| 11:32.56 | RST38h | rm_you: checking |
| 11:33.21 | RST38h | rm_you: You have to create a directory called Images |
| 11:33.29 | RST38h | rm_you: Otherwise it will not show app icons |
| 11:33.47 | rm_you | AH thats what those errors were |
| 11:34.30 | RST38h | And there is one more little bug, but fix the images first |
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| 11:35.18 | RST38h | Actually, two bugs |
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| 11:36.48 | rm_you | RST38h: what are the others? |
| 11:37.19 | RST38h | 1. package name and package version should have NOWRAP attribute in the TD tag |
| 11:37.38 | RST38h | Apparently, FF3 now wraps when it encounters - character |
| 11:38.13 | RST38h | 2. When asking to see dependencies list (click on Depends) nothing shows up. This is incorrect, it should query database for dependencies and show them |
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| 11:39.00 | rm_you | depends is working for me |
| 11:39.06 | RST38h | checking again |
| 11:39.23 | RST38h | You have now moved arrow to the left, please move it back |
| 11:39.30 | rm_you | what is "uudecode -rm" supposed to do? |
| 11:39.39 | RST38h | decodes mime |
| 11:39.39 | rm_you | now images are failing because of that |
| 11:39.45 | rm_you | what is the -rm |
| 11:39.50 | RST38h | -rm decodes mime |
| 11:39.54 | rm_you | ah |
| 11:39.59 | rm_you | i thought JUST uudecode did that |
| 11:40.13 | rm_you | what version of uudecode were you using? |
| 11:40.13 | RST38h | no |
| 11:40.36 | rm_you | neither the version on my debian system nor the version on my host's system have any real commandline args |
| 11:40.45 | RST38h | default freebsd uudecode |
| 11:40.45 | rm_you | besides --help and --version, and --output |
| 11:40.48 | rm_you | hrm |
| 11:40.59 | RST38h | ignore app icons for now |
| 11:41.17 | RST38h | please, move the arrow icon back to the right and add NOWRAP to the version name |
| 11:41.19 | rm_you | trying to fix everything in the perl script first :/ |
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| 11:42.32 | rm_you | NOWRAP is a tag in TD? |
| 11:42.40 | RST38h | Yes |
| 11:42.50 | RST38h | In relation to uudecode, use b64decode instead, with -rm |
| 11:43.00 | RST38h | Looks like in FreeBSD uudecode is an alias to b64decode |
| 11:43.35 | rm_you | NOWRAP in both name and version? |
| 11:43.37 | rm_you | or just name |
| 11:43.47 | RST38h | add it to both, won't harm |
| 11:44.10 | rm_you | k |
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| 11:44.29 | RST38h | Ok, wrap has been fixed |
| 11:44.33 | rm_you | hrm dont have b64decode |
| 11:44.37 | rm_you | gotta compile it |
| 11:44.44 | RST38h | Now move the arrow back to the right |
| 11:45.01 | RST38h | Because at the left it is never going to be aligned and will be too close to the app icons |
| 11:49.12 | RST38h | ok, dependencies work |
| 11:49.20 | rm_you | why is uudecode necessary? |
| 11:51.18 | RST38h | 'cause icons are base64-encoded |
| 11:51.32 | rm_you | grrr |
| 11:52.54 | rm_you | i cannot find a version of uudecode / b64decode |
| 11:53.36 | rm_you | can you possibly get the binary? |
| 11:53.40 | rm_you | and send it to me? >_> |
| 11:53.49 | rm_you | no idea if it would work or not... |
| 11:53.56 | rm_you | might get lucky :P |
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| 11:54.50 | RST38h | I only have a freebsd binary |
| 11:54.54 | RST38h | a moment though |
| 11:56.16 | RST38h | rm_you: ok, found it |
| 11:56.26 | RST38h | move the arrows back and I will give you the link |
| 11:56.30 | rm_you | lol |
| 11:56.34 | rm_you | blackmail? :P |
| 11:56.41 | RST38h | kinda, yea...=) |
| 11:57.03 | RST38h | does not want layout broken without good reasoning |
| 11:57.05 | rm_you | So I'm thinkin, maybe I don't need package images? :P |
| 11:57.12 | rm_you | RST38h: lol |
| 11:58.09 | rm_you | RST38h: remember what I was saying about usability? expanding areas (especially with arrows or plus signs) are ALWAYS from the left |
| 11:58.11 | rm_you | always |
| 11:58.35 | rm_you | If it really does break the layout with images / etc, I will figure out how to fix it |
| 11:58.36 | RST38h | rm_you: Well, first of all they are not always on the left in practice (see Maemo combo boxes) |
| 11:58.44 | rm_you | and if I really can't fix it, I will change it back. ok? :P |
| 11:58.52 | RST38h | rm_you: Having said that I agree that placing it on the right is not the best idea |
| 11:58.55 | rm_you | combo boxes are different |
| 11:59.31 | RST38h | rm_you: BUT placing it on the left breaks the layout, so it is even worse idea at the moment, so I suggest you just move it back until a better placement is found |
| 12:00.12 | rm_you | what browser does it break the layout in? |
| 12:00.20 | RST38h | There is a huge empty bar right at the middle, so with the right image we may be able to stick it there |
| 12:00.25 | RST38h | rm_you: FF3 |
| 12:00.37 | RST38h | And any other browser, because the problem is kinda fundamental |
| 12:00.55 | rm_you | I'm viewing it in iceweasel 3, looks fine here... |
| 12:00.58 | RST38h | 1. As some packages have app icons and some do not, those arrows will never be aligned |
| 12:01.00 | rm_you | not sure what you're talking about |
| 12:01.06 | rm_you | ah |
| 12:01.09 | rm_you | that might be an issue |
| 12:01.12 | rm_you | unless i fix it :P |
| 12:01.14 | RST38h | 2. Sticking that arrow next to the app icon makes use wonder what is going on |
| 12:01.29 | Saviq | guys, is it possible to have the swap file on the / (running from mmc)? |
| 12:01.37 | RST38h | Why is it pointing to the app icon? Or why is it pointing FROM the app icon? |
| 12:02.06 | RST38h | In short, it looks out of place at the left right now |
| 12:03.07 | Jaffa | Hmm, none of my RSS feeds are updating post-upgrade and restore |
| 12:03.31 | RST38h | mine do |
| 12:03.53 | RST38h | rm_you: anyways, base64 is here: http://www.fourmilab.ch/webtools/base64/ |
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| 12:12.52 | rm_you | RST38h: eh? |
| 12:13.00 | RST38h | the script now exits with error when empty search term wntered |
| 12:13.02 | rm_you | RST38h: that doesn't work for you? I don't see any breakage |
| 12:13.06 | rm_you | ah sec |
| 12:13.10 | rm_you | search for mplayer tho |
| 12:13.27 | RST38h | arrow is still misaligned and for some reason points to the app icon |
| 12:13.37 | rm_you | if there's an app icon |
| 12:13.41 | rm_you | what you mean, misaligned? |
| 12:13.53 | RST38h | not aligned with the text |
| 12:13.55 | rm_you | RST38h: i think the error you got was because of something I did, but fixed almost instantly |
| 12:14.01 | RST38h | ok, yes |
| 12:14.03 | rm_you | try empty search again |
| 12:14.10 | rm_you | I forgot a quote |
| 12:14.19 | RST38h | works now |
| 12:14.54 | RST38h | rm_you: Why do some entries have two icons to the left of them and some have only one? |
| 12:15.14 | rm_you | erk? which |
| 12:15.39 | RST38h | well, if you search for mplayer, mplayer has two icons and kmplayer has one |
| 12:15.45 | rm_you | err |
| 12:15.49 | rm_you | I don't see that |
| 12:16.07 | rm_you | I see mplayer has one icon, kmplayer doesnt have an icon at all |
| 12:16.11 | RST38h | well there is a brown icon with an arrow and there is blue-white mplayer icon with a nother little arrow |
| 12:16.24 | rm_you | brown icon? |
| 12:16.36 | rm_you | can you paste your exact URL so I can see? |
| 12:16.43 | RST38h | http://ageofikon.info/packrat/index.php?Action=list&System=OS2008&Arg=mplayer&Section=&Repo=0 |
| 12:16.59 | rm_you | can you post a screenshot somewhere? |
| 12:17.02 | rm_you | also, do a hard-refresh |
| 12:17.11 | rm_you | I see perfectly normal |
| 12:17.28 | RST38h | done, still there |
| 12:17.37 | RST38h | I am a bit busy to post a screenshot |
| 12:17.58 | RST38h | but there are definitely two icons to the left of some packages and only one for others |
| 12:18.00 | hrw | left panel is closed sourced? |
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| 12:18.21 | rm_you | so, mplayer has two icons?? |
| 12:18.46 | sp3000 | wnd: hah, nice timing, just reported that internally |
| 12:18.57 | RST38h | rm_you: yes |
| 12:19.09 | RST38h | brown one with white arrow and white one with little black arrow |
| 12:19.12 | RST38h | or blue |
| 12:19.39 | rm_you | really could use a screenshot :/ the code looks clean in View Source mode |
| 12:19.50 | rm_you | shows no <IMG> for kmplayer at all |
| 12:20.04 | rm_you | you're in FF3? |
| 12:20.57 | RST38h | Well I looked at the source and you definitely have two IMGs there: |
| 12:20.58 | RST38h | <TD><IMG SRC="ArrowL.gif" ALT="[X]" ID="Arrow6"> <IMG WIDTH=26 HEIGHT=26 SRC="Images/mplayer_1.0rc1-maemo.27.n8x0.png"></TD> |
| 12:21.01 | RST38h | this is mplayer |
| 12:21.15 | rm_you | right |
| 12:21.17 | rm_you | that is correct |
| 12:21.20 | RST38h | <TD><IMG SRC="ArrowL.gif" ALT="[X]" ID="Arrow0"> </TD> |
| 12:21.23 | RST38h | this is kmplayer |
| 12:21.28 | rm_you | correct |
| 12:21.29 | RST38h | but this is two icons for mplayer |
| 12:21.34 | rm_you | ... |
| 12:21.36 | Jaffa | Oooh, some nice new logos; e.g. http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Maemo.org_logo_contest_deadknight88_103.png |
| 12:21.40 | rm_you | one is the arrow, one is the image |
| 12:21.43 | rm_you | I see nothing wrong there |
| 12:21.48 | RST38h | rm_you: and the image has another arrow |
| 12:21.55 | RST38h | so you have got two arrows? why? |
| 12:21.56 | rm_you | ... |
| 12:21.58 | rm_you | no |
| 12:22.04 | rm_you | exactly one |
| 12:22.09 | RST38h | rm_you: I hope you are catching the drift by now ;) |
| 12:22.21 | RST38h | no, the page definitely has two arrows, look closer |
| 12:22.21 | rm_you | i thought you might be doing that |
| 12:22.31 | rm_you | bastage :P |
| 12:22.39 | RST38h | rm_you: This is as far as my argument #2 is concerned |
| 12:23.15 | RST38h | Leave the drop down arrow where it has been for now |
| 12:23.32 | RST38h | Until you come up with an idea how to avoid placing two icons together |
| 12:24.03 | rm_you | it looks fine with the two icons next to each other |
| 12:24.12 | rm_you | tho I am fixing the alignment as we speak |
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| 12:25.31 | RST38h | nope, it does not look fine |
| 12:25.42 | RST38h | 'cause icons perform completely different function |
| 12:25.54 | LoCusF | jott: do you still have the terminus font package for OS 2008? |
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| 12:34.55 | hrw | someone know a way to sync cellphone<>maemo contacts? |
| 12:35.53 | hrw | florian: ping |
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| 12:36.38 | florian | hrw: pong |
| 12:36.52 | hrw | florian: does your maemo sync also has evolution plugin? |
| 12:37.02 | rm_you | RST38h: eh? |
| 12:39.35 | rm_you | wait |
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| 12:42.18 | florian | hrw: I'm not sure if the opensync module for it is built, but in theory the gui should cover all plugins. |
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| 12:42.41 | hrw | florian: just checked - it is not built :( |
| 12:43.24 | florian | hrw: It might be possible that it doesn't work with the modified evl stuff in maemo. |
| 12:43.47 | florian | hrw: We should ask Graham, maybe its just a matter of adding it. |
| 12:43.49 | RST38h | rm_you: Why is that arrow stuck between the app icon and the app name now? |
| 12:43.54 | rm_you | wait |
| 12:43.56 | rm_you | just wait |
| 12:43.58 | rm_you | i messed it up |
| 12:44.58 | rm_you | eh? |
| 12:45.06 | hrw | florian: yep |
| 12:45.14 | rm_you | RST38h: well, what about that:?> |
| 12:45.21 | RST38h | rm_you: worse than before |
| 12:45.39 | RST38h | rm_you: app icon is a feature of the application, thus it was shown beside the app name |
| 12:46.00 | RST38h | rm_you: For a reason unknown to me you place some brown arrow BETWEEN application's icon and name |
| 12:46.29 | RST38h | rm_you: It all looks like fruitless ateempts to microwave an egg to me =) |
| 12:47.07 | rm_you | I agree it isn't yet optimal |
| 12:47.22 | rm_you | but it is still 100x better than the arrow over on the right |
| 12:47.30 | rm_you | still brainstorming |
| 12:47.31 | RST38h | rm_you: not really |
| 12:47.44 | RST38h | it is actually worse than having those arrows out of the way (albeit at the right) |
| 12:48.10 | RST38h | basically, the only way you can get those arrows at the left is if you remove app icons |
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| 12:48.21 | rm_you | why? |
| 12:48.23 | hrw | guys: left panel is closed source? |
| 12:48.33 | RST38h | OR if you change arrow images so that they do not look like images at all |
| 12:48.52 | rm_you | RST38h: pft, I didn't want them to look like that to begin with, give me a sec |
| 12:48.59 | rm_you | I was just using your images |
| 12:49.06 | RST38h | Something like a tiny black angle left-and-above the name will probably work |
| 12:49.33 | RST38h | placing two different icons together is a bad idea, however you are trying to implement it |
| 12:49.44 | RST38h | hrw: It's closed, afaik |
| 12:50.11 | hrw | thx RST38h |
| 12:50.33 | lcuk_wrk | hrw, have you actually managed to find anything thats open? |
| 12:51.02 | hrw | lcuk_wrk: some parts are open still |
| 12:51.15 | RST38h | Hildon widgets should be open |
| 12:51.17 | lcuk_wrk | yer i know, but every day you find something new thats not |
| 12:52.35 | lcuk_wrk | RST38h, rm_you really wishes at least some were |
| 12:52.43 | hrw | lcuk_wrk: ;) |
| 12:53.08 | hrw | lcuk_wrk: now I would like to have possiblity to change red/yellow/red icons of presence to white ones |
| 12:53.25 | RST38h | hrw: These you can simply replace in the file system, afaik |
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| 12:53.39 | hrw | RST38h: I want to make it system friendly way |
| 12:53.53 | johnx | hrw, left panel is open source I think. part of the hildon desktop package |
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| 12:53.57 | johnx | it's in debian |
| 12:54.45 | RST38h | hrw: replacing a few files is a system friendly way really |
| 12:54.54 | RST38h | better than hacking at system components, anyway |
| 12:55.08 | liri | are perk bindings for gtk available on maemo? |
| 12:55.25 | snowmoon-work | anyone have docs/example of setting the hildon input hints under python ( for a text entry box ) the oracle is failing to bring back anything coherent |
| 12:55.32 | Saviq | hmm guys, trying to flash diablo after the initfs was modified for booting from mmc... and I'm getting a "Version of 'sw-release': <no version>" and the flasher quits... any ideas? |
| 12:58.59 | hrw | ok -> /usr/share/icons/hicolor/40x40/hildon/ contains them |
| 12:59.42 | hrw | osso-icons-default package |
| 12:59.51 | rm_you | RST38h: ?? |
| 12:59.54 | rm_you | now? |
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| 13:00.28 | rm_you | that's more what I had in mind for arrows anyway |
| 13:00.48 | RST38h | rm_you: now, that is much better |
| 13:00.57 | rm_you | packaging question... will 0.9b-1 or 0.9-2 be a higher ranked package? |
| 13:01.03 | RST38h | rm_you: although apps that have no icons appear to be dangling |
| 13:01.11 | RST38h | rm_you: maybe you can add a default icon for those? |
| 13:01.22 | rm_you | hrm |
| 13:01.27 | johnx | rm_you, 0.9b-1 > 0.9-2 |
| 13:01.32 | rm_you | dangling? they are just a little bit further out |
| 13:01.39 | RST38h | rm_you: 0.9-2 is higher ranked afaik |
| 13:01.40 | rm_you | johnx: hrm k, good... |
| 13:01.44 | rm_you | hrm |
| 13:01.45 | rm_you | well |
| 13:01.48 | RST38h | rm_you: that is what I call dangling =) |
| 13:02.00 | RST38h | rm_you: anyway, a default icon will fix them quite nicely |
| 13:02.04 | rm_you | RST38h's sorting algorithm in the package aggrigator shows 0.9-2 above 0.9b-1 |
| 13:02.11 | rm_you | but i THINK johnz is right... i HOPE |
| 13:02.12 | X-Fade | rm_you: I just saw that package in the promotion interface and was wondering about that too ;) |
| 13:02.13 | rm_you | lol |
| 13:02.23 | rm_you | yeah |
| 13:02.28 | rm_you | hrm |
| 13:03.33 | RST38h | rm_you: Well, 0.9-2 should be later than 0.9whatever-1 |
| 13:03.36 | rm_you | RST38h: slightly less dangling? |
| 13:03.46 | RST38h | And whoever calls them this way should be hung of course |
| 13:03.46 | rm_you | crap, well i may have to fix my package name then |
| 13:03.52 | rm_you | is hung |
| 13:03.58 | RST38h | rm_you: Yea, coolio |
| 13:04.01 | rm_you | lol |
| 13:04.07 | rm_you | that is bad out of context :P |
| 13:04.57 | RST38h | looks decent now |
| 13:05.01 | johnx | rm_you, hmm? did it sort wrong? |
| 13:05.20 | rm_you | johnx: i think i may have misnamed my new package |
| 13:05.26 | rm_you | no biggie, it is only in extras-devel yet |
| 13:05.31 | rm_you | RST38h: good :P |
| 13:05.36 | rm_you | so, any other bugfixes? |
| 13:05.58 | rm_you | RST38h: do I have to put Crawler.pl on a cron job or something? |
| 13:06.08 | RST38h | I do not see anything, but there are a few extensions you may want to do =) |
| 13:06.14 | RST38h | rm_you: yep, like once a day |
| 13:06.17 | rm_you | RST38h: like? |
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| 13:06.54 | RST38h | rm_you: I would add a few db fields that count number of .install downloads and showings in the query resulsts |
| 13:07.11 | RST38h | rm_you: this will let us sort stuff by popularity |
| 13:07.26 | RST38h | I would also add a separate view of all known repos |
| 13:07.50 | RST38h | Finally (actually this should be first) I would add diablo to the list of OS versions |
| 13:08.01 | RST38h | Actually diablo is OS2008, so skip that =) |
| 13:08.17 | rm_you | lol |
| 13:08.20 | rm_you | but has seperate repos >_< |
| 13:08.24 | macoute_ | johnx: afaik 0.9-2 is the second package of 0.9-version and 0.9b-1 is the first package of 0.9b, so id say 0.9b is newer than 0.9? |
| 13:08.30 | macoute_ | or does b stand for beta? |
| 13:08.32 | rm_you | that is so very confusing from an EVERYTHING PACKAGE RELATED standpoint |
| 13:08.37 | rm_you | same os, different codename/repos |
| 13:08.42 | L0cutus | mmm what is the more recent apps between maemo extras and testing maemo extras repos ? |
| 13:09.00 | rm_you | macoute_: i meant for b to mean "revision b, same package" |
| 13:09.00 | johnx | macoute_, that's what I figured too. but the important questions is what will apt-get think is later? |
| 13:09.13 | X-Fade | L0cutus: What do you mean by that ;) |
| 13:09.17 | L0cutus | gh |
| 13:09.18 | rm_you | but i think the way you're supposed to do it is increment the number like 0.9-2 0.9-3 etc |
| 13:09.51 | RST38h | rm_you: I am pretty sure gronmayer will list it as OS2008 |
| 13:09.53 | macoute_ | rm_you: yeah, so that revision b is newer than revision a (the first revision) |
| 13:09.54 | rm_you | i am just used to the 0.9, 0.9b, 0.9c, 0.9d scheme |
| 13:09.55 | L0cutus | ok i've see advanced-backlight 0.9-2 on maemo extras and advanced-backlight (v. 0.9b-1) on testing |
| 13:10.02 | macoute_ | rm_you: yeah, me too |
| 13:10.09 | L0cutus | what is the more 'recent' ? |
| 13:10.13 | rm_you | LoCusF: yeah, and the one on testing is newer |
| 13:10.22 | macoute_ | johnx: apt-get thinks 0.9b is newer, im pretty sure of that |
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| 13:10.28 | RST38h | -b thing is a punishable offense against the repository |
| 13:10.29 | rm_you | 0.9b-1 is supposed to be newer than 0.9-2 |
| 13:10.38 | RST38h | rm_you: WHY? |
| 13:10.41 | johnx | macoute_, that's what I thought too |
| 13:10.41 | rm_you | in the future I will not do that |
| 13:10.43 | rm_you | like i said... |
| 13:10.45 | rm_you | i am just used to the 0.9, 0.9b, 0.9c, 0.9d scheme |
| 13:10.56 | rm_you | this is my first debian package :P |
| 13:10.57 | L0cutus | a ok |
| 13:11.00 | macoute_ | and afaik that is very normal use of versioning |
| 13:11.00 | L0cutus | lol |
| 13:11.18 | johnx | anyways the "-2" is for packaging changes by the package maintainer and main version bumps are for the developer |
| 13:11.20 | macoute_ | and -x means the package number as always |
| 13:11.21 | rm_you | but i can see that it is very confusing |
| 13:11.24 | RST38h | it's normal as long as you do not have tertiary version numbers |
| 13:11.28 | rm_you | it is even confusing me, and i labeled it |
| 13:11.29 | johnx | rm_you is dev and package maintainer so he gets to choose :P |
| 13:11.33 | L0cutus | infact apps manager whant to upgrade it |
| 13:11.34 | RST38h | BOTH letters and tertiary version are weird |
| 13:11.43 | macoute_ | 0.9b.2-1 :S |
| 13:11.57 | rm_you | ok so heres what happened |
| 13:11.59 | RST38h | Aaaaaa |
| 13:12.27 | L0cutus | on diablo python 2.5 in installe dby default ? |
| 13:12.30 | rm_you | 0.9-1 was my first release, but i boned the packaging so i made 0.9-2, which is what made it to the repo |
| 13:12.41 | rm_you | same software version, just a package bump |
| 13:13.04 | rm_you | 0.9b is supposed to be the new software version, and it is the first package, so ends up 0.9b-1 |
| 13:13.18 | johnx | rm_you, that sounds right |
| 13:13.31 | rm_you | yeah.... hrm |
| 13:13.33 | RST38h | rm_you: Oh, almost forgot |
| 13:13.39 | rm_you | not sure if i will continue numbering like that tho |
| 13:13.49 | RST38h | rm_you: At the bottom of the page, make my name point to http://fms.komkon.org/ and add yours |
| 13:13.58 | johnx | rm_you, just change the version scheme every release :D |
| 13:14.04 | rm_you | rofl |
| 13:14.15 | rm_you | thinks johnx is deliciously evil |
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| 13:14.48 | rm_you | RST38h: add my name? >_> |
| 13:14.48 | johnx | maybe the next can be 0.9b1-1? |
| 13:14.58 | RST38h | rm_you: Well, you are now maintaining it =) |
| 13:15.23 | X-Fade | Not as bad as this gem we have in extras: faad2_2.0.0+cvs20040908+mp4v2+bmp-0ubuntu6maemo1 |
| 13:15.42 | X-Fade | And I'm not making that up :) |
| 13:15.53 | johnx | oh, I believe you |
| 13:16.11 | johnx | it's what happens when things don't get pushed upstream and new downstreams develop |
| 13:16.12 | L0cutus | is ogg support there on diablo ? |
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| 13:17.30 | RST38h | X-Fade: looks like the guy delegated package naming to his CVS |
| 13:17.44 | sidnei_ | q: i found lots of information about a webkit engine in the works and also fennec, is there a repo with packages for those? |
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| 13:18.26 | rm_you | RST38h: hrm, this doesn't appear to be gathering info from all of the repos correctly |
| 13:18.28 | jsmith | sidnei_: Yes, there's a repo for fennec, but I don't think it's working w/ Diablo yet |
| 13:18.29 | rm_you | as it doesn't include VIM |
| 13:18.37 | rm_you | but the repo for VIM is in the database |
| 13:19.06 | sidnei_ | jsmith: have a link, so i can keep an eye on it? |
| 13:19.40 | L0cutus | strange dependecies has rsbackup |
| 13:19.43 | rm_you | johnx: got my projector today, it roxxorz |
| 13:20.15 | L0cutus | 'flash-and-reboot', 'initfs-flasher' and kernel-diablo-flasher |
| 13:20.18 | jsmith | sidnei_: http://people.mozilla.org/~vladimir/fennec.install |
| 13:21.05 | rm_you | L0cutus: that's actually packages that werent installed for some reason in the default image, but are required by maemo-software-version, ie, required base packages |
| 13:21.09 | rm_you | very odd |
| 13:21.27 | rm_you | just apt-get -f install, and you are set |
| 13:22.07 | L0cutus | ok thanks |
| 13:23.55 | ccooke | Anyone know of a good dev tutorial for maemo? I'm thinking of knocking up a quick python app as a proof of concept. |
| 13:24.03 | ccooke | I want an internet radio alarm clock. |
| 13:24.27 | johnx | rm_you, the one you were building? or did you buy one? |
| 13:24.30 | rm_you | ccooke: heh, yeah that should be decently simple... erm, just need a maemo+python integration tutorial? |
| 13:24.34 | L0cutus | what's the best between easyroot and becomeroot ? |
| 13:25.00 | ccooke | rm_you: yeah |
| 13:25.02 | johnx | easyroot |
| 13:25.07 | rm_you | johnx: the one I was building... and then gave up building cuz I suck at physics (optics) and didn't have access to good woodworking equipment |
| 13:25.23 | rm_you | i ended up shipping all the parts to some guy and paying him a bunch to make it |
| 13:25.33 | johnx | rm_you, and it works awesome? |
| 13:25.38 | rm_you | johnx: very awesome |
| 13:25.57 | rm_you | ccooke: if you find one, let me know :P I could prolly find one if i looked for like 5 minutes on google tho |
| 13:26.11 | sidnei_ | rm_you: i confirm apt-get -f install does install those packages |
| 13:26.22 | rm_you | johnx: just watched the new Futurama movie on it... and then Pulp Fiction :P |
| 13:26.28 | ccooke | I've found python to be surprisingly light on tutorials, actually |
| 13:26.35 | rm_you | sidnei_: yeah, it's very odd |
| 13:26.35 | ccooke | nothing like - say - ruby |
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| 13:26.53 | rm_you | ccooke: yeah, well IIRC the python bindings for maemo are... work in progress |
| 13:26.56 | sidnei_ | ccooke: you're not supposed to need tutorials for python :) |
| 13:27.04 | rm_you | at least, for stuff like statusbar apps and desktop applets |
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| 13:28.31 | ccooke | sidnei_: in which case, someone should have told the language designers that so they made fewer special cases! ;-) |
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| 13:32.20 | sidnei_ | i'm just soooo happy that the finger keyboard now finally works consistently |
| 13:32.47 | herwood | hi |
| 13:32.55 | sidnei_ | i used to randomly get finger or stylus keyboard depending on the application |
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| 13:39.51 | snowmoon-work | any python experts awake yet? |
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| 13:40.41 | polac | sidnei_, I just bought the n810. How do you activate stylus keyboard? I had the 770 and with it stylus keyboard just activated when I "clicked" display |
| 13:41.32 | sidnei_ | polac: its in settings -> control panel -> text input settings |
| 13:41.49 | sidnei_ | then 'on-screen' |
| 13:42.03 | sidnei_ | and there's an option 'enable stylus input methods' |
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| 13:42.18 | sidnei_ | which is disabled for me, since i don't like it ;) |
| 13:42.26 | rm_you | sleepy time i think... night yall |
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| 13:43.05 | summatusmentis | I'm looking to get the chinook extras repo setup on diablo, but it's telling me there's an invalid signature, is there a way to fix it? |
| 13:43.46 | snowmoon-work | ccooke: I'm having similar trouble, what 'cha makin' |
| 13:44.07 | ccooke | snowmoon-work: nothing until I've got the scratchbox reinstalled :-) |
| 13:44.21 | snowmoon-work | I don't have scratchbox, it's not stopping me |
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| 13:44.52 | rm_you | with python, you could prolly just code on the device |
| 13:45.05 | rm_you | not like you need a build environment <_< |
| 13:45.33 | snowmoon-work | I'm coding for gtk/linux with a try: import hildon block. I scp the working app over to the n810 on occasion to test items |
| 13:45.58 | snowmoon-work | I will concur... the docs are hit and miss |
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| 13:46.11 | polac | sidnei_, thanks! I have to try it. |
| 13:46.12 | ccooke | rm_you: ... That's true |
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| 13:46.38 | snowmoon-work | I wound't code directly on the device, I like my sanity |
| 13:46.41 | ccooke | snowmoon-work: why not just ssh into the device and code on it? |
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| 13:47.05 | rm_you | yeah, sorry if i didn't clarify... definitely SSH :P |
| 13:47.26 | snowmoon-work | I can do the code/debug/test cycle much faster on my desktop and 98% of standard python/gtk works fine on the tablet |
| 13:47.35 | L0cutus | so now, to keep all updated, what are the right command to give ? |
| 13:47.35 | hrw | did someone tried to change iconsize in application menu? |
| 13:47.48 | L0cutus | apt-get update;apt-get upgrade ? |
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| 13:47.56 | L0cutus | apt-get dist-upgrade no ? |
| 13:49.08 | johnx | 'night rm_you |
| 13:49.30 | rm_you | johnx: night... still wish we could hang out this summer :( ah well |
| 13:49.40 | rm_you | johnx: how many more years you guys planning to stay there? |
| 13:54.08 | L0cutus | mmm battery-status doesn't work on diablo |
| 13:54.25 | L0cutus | it doesn't find a module gobject |
| 13:54.56 | rm_you | hrm ok really sleeping now... one last plug for my bounty: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/gbounty/index.php?type=group&group_id=564&pluginname=gbounty |
| 13:55.09 | rm_you | not really a lot of cash there, hoping someone is just naturally helpful :P |
| 13:55.16 | Saviq | guys where is openssh for diablo? |
| 13:55.27 | rm_you | Saviq: in chinook extras |
| 13:55.27 | L0cutus | 'night rm_you :) |
| 13:56.43 | Saviq | rm_you: http://repository.maemo.org/extras ? |
| 13:57.26 | sp3000 | http://repository.maemo.org/extras, chinook, free non-free |
| 13:57.55 | sp3000 | wasn't there supposed to be some sort of autobuild effort for diablo? |
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| 13:58.13 | sp3000 | or is the promotion part not happening? |
| 13:58.15 | X-Fade | sp3000: Yes there is ;) |
| 13:58.26 | jsmith | sp3000: I think there was an autobuild for chinook first, then diablo |
| 13:58.29 | sp3000 | hasn't been really following it, not having any packages in that game |
| 13:58.30 | X-Fade | Working really hard on that atm ;) |
| 13:58.37 | sp3000 | ok good :) |
| 13:58.43 | snowmoon-work | ccooke: you don't happen to know how to set the hildon input hint on a GtkEntry object in python do you? |
| 13:58.54 | X-Fade | We're slowly filling extras-devel for diablo atm. |
| 13:58.58 | ccooke | snowmoon-work: not even started coding my first PoC yet :-) |
| 13:59.16 | Saviq | that's better, thanks sp3000 |
| 13:59.27 | snowmoon-work | What is this mystery project ( for the inanely curious ) |
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| 14:15.17 | aquatix | meh, no nmap for os2008? |
| 14:15.34 | AStorm | aquatix: afaicr there is one |
| 14:15.42 | AStorm | found on gronmayer |
| 14:15.48 | aquatix | oh |
| 14:15.54 | aquatix | was looking on maemo.org |
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| 14:17.49 | summatusmentis | has anyone else tried setting up chinook extras for diablo? |
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| 14:18.39 | hrw | summatusmentis: I installed some stuff from there |
| 14:19.04 | summatusmentis | hrw: did you set up the repo? |
| 14:19.21 | hrw | summatusmentis: yes |
| 14:19.39 | summatusmentis | how did you fix the bad signature error? |
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| 14:20.06 | hrw | summatusmentis: which error? it just worked for me |
| 14:20.27 | hrw | summatusmentis: all I had to do was edit it in h-a-m and add distro field |
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| 14:21.57 | summatusmentis | I got a 'invalid signature' error when I ran apt-get update |
| 14:22.32 | hrw | W: GPG error: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com diablo Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG F5925991C8009E74 Nokia repository signing key 1v1 |
| 14:22.35 | hrw | that one? |
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| 14:24.00 | sidnei_ | i get that too |
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| 14:24.53 | summatusmentis | yes |
| 14:24.55 | qwerty12 | It doesn't matter, it can be safely ignored. |
| 14:25.19 | summatusmentis | oh, ok |
| 14:25.53 | hrw | ~curseDavid Weinehall |
| 14:26.03 | qwerty12 | mce, display applet? |
| 14:26.10 | qwerty12 | (take your pick >.<) |
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| 14:26.26 | qwerty12 | Personally, my I hate nokia thing is matchbox. |
| 14:26.42 | mouser- | Hi guys. The display on my N810 will not turn on. The hw keyboard stopped working on it so I rebooted it and then couldn't get the display to turn on. I can't tell if it's just the backlight that isn't lighting or if the display itself isn't on. Any suggestions? |
| 14:26.57 | hrw | qwerty12: why? |
| 14:27.08 | qwerty12 | The way it handles windows :( |
| 14:27.09 | forge | Mouse, Taken the battery out and let it cool a bit and then trying again ? |
| 14:27.51 | summatusmentis | wonders about Modest vs. mnotify |
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| 14:29.09 | mouser- | forge: I had it charging last night in case it was a battery issue. It doesn't feel hot at all, but the battery's out now. |
| 14:29.54 | qwerty12 | I like nokia's new way of packing kernels :) |
| 14:30.56 | hrw | qwerty12: small screen force such behaviour |
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| 14:31.17 | hrw | qwerty12: I hope that it will not overwrite my kernel without asking |
| 14:31.29 | qwerty12 | hrw, It can do :/ |
| 14:31.59 | qwerty12 | If you want though, just use debian pinning to make sure it isn't updated. |
| 14:32.02 | hrw | qwerty12: I know that it can, I just hope that it will not do that without asking |
| 14:32.09 | ccooke | attempts to wake up and read the python-maemo docs |
| 14:32.09 | hrw | qwerty12: I removed those packages from my n810 |
| 14:33.30 | L0cutus | is cloning diablo to mmc |
| 14:34.02 | mouser- | forge: how long should I leave it out? |
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| 14:34.38 | qwerty12 | ~lart microwave pizza for making the cheese fall off onto the microwave |
| 14:34.38 | infobot | slams microwave pizza against a large cement Tux for making the cheese fall off onto the microwave |
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| 14:35.24 | linux8mybaby | <---- HELP |
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| 14:35.56 | qwerty12 | Good Tux. |
| 14:36.02 | qwerty12 | Have a cookie Tux. |
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| 14:37.03 | macoute_ | where to get e2fsprogs packaged for diablo? |
| 14:38.33 | qwerty12 | Chinook version should work perfectly fine, if not, I'll package you one later. |
| 14:39.57 | andrewfblack | Hey Guys |
| 14:39.58 | qwerty12 | wtf, "/scratchbox/compilers/host-gcc/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/libncursesw.so when searching for -lncursesw |
| 14:39.58 | qwerty12 | " |
| 14:40.22 | hrw | qwerty12: and put it into extras... |
| 14:40.30 | summatusmentis | your libncursesw is not happy |
| 14:40.51 | qwerty12 | hrw, Someone can do that for me, extras scares me :) |
| 14:41.05 | qwerty12 | summatusmentis, I have no idea why, this is cleanly installed diablo sdk :( |
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| 14:41.22 | summatusmentis | looks like a host system thing |
| 14:42.18 | qwerty12 | It could be, compiling under windows isn't really a great idea :/ |
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| 14:42.28 | snowmoon-work | I'm spinning up a VM for maemo dev, what's best/easiest to get scratch box working cleanly ... ubuntu? |
| 14:43.07 | macoute_ | that would be maybe the easiest |
| 14:43.10 | summatusmentis | qwerty12: that's my assumption, your host system has an incompatible version of libncursesw |
| 14:43.45 | jott | snowmoon-work: there is also http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ .. |
| 14:45.15 | mouser- | Replacing the battery fixed it, but it certainly seems odd that those two things would suddenly break. |
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| 14:49.37 | L0cutus | great program to clone OS the penguinbait one :) |
| 14:49.59 | penguinbait | thanks :) |
| 14:50.29 | L0cutus | hehe |
| 14:50.34 | L0cutus | the magic man :) |
| 14:50.46 | qwerty12 | fcuk it, I'm just gonna edit scripts/kconfig/conf to not look for libncurses |
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| 14:50.58 | penguinbait | my motivation is driven by pure laziness :) |
| 14:51.06 | wazd | Hello everybody :) |
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| 14:51.19 | mouser- | Hello wazd |
| 14:51.26 | qwerty12 | Hi |
| 14:51.29 | Jaffa | X-Fade: btw, at the weekend I'm going to be uploading some source packages to the builder (primarily the vala compiler so I can then upload some other packages depending on it). Is there much documentation on it? |
| 14:51.31 | L0cutus | penguinbait: i've post a message on itt on your thread about my experience |
| 14:51.37 | wazd | Happy Diablo release :) |
| 14:52.06 | penguinbait | oh you used advanced edition, its really nice eh :) |
| 14:52.11 | wazd | Does anyone facing "hildon-desktop" crash with OMWeather in Diablo? |
| 14:52.19 | qwerty12 | wazd, yes |
| 14:52.23 | mgedmin | Jaffa: yay! vala! yay! |
| 14:52.26 | X-Fade | Jaffa: What documentation are you looking for? |
| 14:52.47 | wazd | It's fixed now, please wait for 0.21 release :) |
| 14:52.49 | hrw | wazd: I have it too |
| 14:52.54 | hrw | wazd: cool |
| 14:53.36 | mouser- | wazd: Good to hear :) |
| 14:53.55 | L0cutus | yes penguinbait, really a panacea to our clone wastetime :D |
| 14:53.55 | wazd | But 0.21 will bring you not only fixed crashes ;) A lot of new features are in :) |
| 14:54.01 | penguinbait | L0cutus chroot /mnt/initfs cal-tool --set-root-device ask:mmc2 |
| 14:54.07 | L0cutus | ok |
| 14:54.14 | penguinbait | or mmc12 |
| 14:54.39 | penguinbait | depending on what partition is, I do not have it choose default boot partition |
| 14:55.32 | L0cutus | add to INTERNAL.txt the option for this, eg. DEFAULT N |
| 14:55.33 | L0cutus | gh |
| 14:55.44 | RST38h | A pro-marijuana group has come up with an ingenious plan to combat air rage - let passengers skin up before flying out of Denver International Airport (DIA) which has become "a hot spot for arrests of drunken, unruly airplane passengers" |
| 14:56.08 | sp3000 | "not just high altitudes anymore" |
| 14:56.10 | wazd | Aw, another boring question, does anybody facing problems with RDesktop in Diablo (again)?) |
| 14:56.14 | hrw | wazd: when? |
| 14:56.27 | hrw | wazd: I mean: when OMWeather 0.21 release? |
| 14:56.47 | wazd | Well, according to my glitchy maemo-mail sending system it will be... tomorrow! :) |
| 14:56.48 | penguinbait | L0cutus, I will consider it for future versions :) |
| 14:56.54 | aquatix | wazd: yay |
| 14:56.57 | penguinbait | shouldnt be to hard |
| 14:58.16 | L0cutus | yes, i think it is too |
| 14:58.20 | wazd | Ah no, sorry, I'm wrong |
| 14:58.31 | timeless | rw: why curse david? |
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| 14:58.46 | wazd | It will be on the July 2nd!) |
| 14:59.07 | wazd | But it will be veeery nice release I tell ya!) |
| 14:59.24 | wazd | turns Steve Jobs mode on |
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| 15:00.31 | wazd | gorgeous unpresidented extrordinary fabulous perfect shiny awesomely cool, best release EVER! © ))) |
| 15:00.40 | wazd | turns Steve Jobs mode off |
| 15:00.53 | aquatix | wazd: butbutbut |
| 15:00.56 | qwerty12 | wazd, Stop that, you make me want to check out svn :p |
| 15:00.58 | aquatix | that's a week from now! |
| 15:01.13 | aquatix | can't wait that long |
| 15:01.16 | aquatix | it will kill me |
| 15:01.19 | wazd | It's not in the SVN now ;) |
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| 15:01.30 | aquatix | starts nmap'ing wazd's pc |
| 15:01.31 | crashanddie | what y'all talking about ? |
| 15:01.35 | wazd | Top Secret'n'stuff :) |
| 15:01.44 | qwerty12 | wazd, Damn >.< |
| 15:01.45 | penguinbait | microb now runs under other window managers with diablo, no bottom toolbar, but working great none the less |
| 15:02.27 | wazd | Diablo runs ultra-smooth to my mind |
| 15:02.43 | mouser- | wazd, a suggestion: Have the option of getting data from other sources, such as wunderground (unless that's already possible?) |
| 15:02.56 | wazd | mouser - you bet ;) |
| 15:03.48 | wazd | Well, It's there but Underground haven't respond to my request of giving XML info |
| 15:03.54 | wazd | Asses x( |
| 15:04.34 | wazd | But! Good news: weather.com sends 10 days forecast again, open the shampagne :) |
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| 15:05.25 | mouser- | wazd: What's the memory footprint of OMweather now? |
| 15:07.25 | wazd | good question :) Actually I don't know how to see it cause i'm not a coder :) |
| 15:08.43 | wazd | An I don't have latest-latest build of it cause debugging process is 24/7 now :) |
| 15:09.30 | wazd | our coders, Vlad and Pavel works pretty hard right now to clean up all the bugs in here :) |
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| 15:09.48 | cyberholic | heeeelllo everyone |
| 15:09.48 | chille_ | do anyone have the kcbatt.c file? |
| 15:10.04 | chille_ | the site is offline and i really need that file now :( |
| 15:10.30 | qwerty12 | That's true say, where is KotCzarny? I miss that guy. |
| 15:10.55 | RST38h | probably courting some koshka =) |
| 15:11.20 | qwerty12 | That's probably Polish/Russian/Ukranian for something I don't know :P |
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| 15:11.56 | RST38h | a female cat. although Polish equivalent may differ a bit. |
| 15:13.00 | qwerty12 | Ah cool. |
| 15:13.31 | RST38h | naaah, google says it is the same thing |
| 15:13.54 | qwerty12 | summatusmentis, I know what my ncurses problem is, I think nokia messed up :/ |
| 15:14.16 | summatusmentis | oh? |
| 15:15.01 | qwerty12 | Yes, I only have the diablo sdk repo and to make sure everything was there, I did apt-get install *curses and everything was listed as installed. In usr/include, I had to symlink ncursesw to ncurses |
| 15:16.08 | cyberholic | ok.. i know that you guys realy hate me for developing Flash applications. You want me to give you another reason for hating me? |
| 15:17.13 | qwerty12 | You made a pink transformation pack? |
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| 15:18.06 | cyberholic | lol. no... i started to develop a system substituition so that instead of a whole system, i some day will only need a browser on my device *sigh* |
| 15:18.09 | Jaffa | X-Fade: documentation of the form: what architectures will it build (x86/armel)? |
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| 15:18.20 | cyberholic | but now that the new ubuntu is out, i do not know if i will continue the work.... |
| 15:18.23 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Yeah, it will build both.. |
| 15:18.28 | ccooke | hmmm... |
| 15:18.49 | ccooke | so... there's been no documentation for Python on Maemo written since version 3, right? |
| 15:18.53 | Jaffa | mgedmin: yeah, I'm a bit impressed by it. Figure I'll get valac and hopefully libgee in extras-devel by the end of the weekend; and maybe some simple noddy vala Hildon app |
| 15:18.56 | Jaffa | X-Fade: cool |
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| 15:23.11 | qwerty12 | wazd, Go on, post up info on the new omweather here and put them out of their misery :) : http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=195303#post195303 |
| 15:23.24 | Veggen | enterprise is fun. |
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| 15:23.43 | Veggen | enterprise thing that embeds RedHat enterprise is even more fun. |
| 15:24.24 | Veggen | <---hit a kernel bug that I see is discussed on mailing lists at least in october 2004...(in kernel 2.4.22, I have 2.4.21(!)) |
| 15:24.28 | qwerty12 | Is there any program that can list the libraries that a binary file needs? |
| 15:24.36 | Jaffa | qwerty12: ldd |
| 15:24.39 | sp3000 | ldd something |
| 15:24.42 | qwerty12 | Thank you |
| 15:24.49 | hrw | cyberholic: and you will get a 80s feel on device due to flash taking most of cpu time for doing nothing? |
| 15:24.54 | cyberholic | ok everyone, juste in case you would like to see what is able with FLASH and the APIs out there, here are my first steps ..... |
| 15:24.56 | cyberholic | http://www.mojocafe.net/v2/ |
| 15:24.57 | hrw | qwerty12: objdump |
| 15:25.19 | cyberholic | hrw: not if oyu know how to develop the stuff and ignore all the animation stuff. |
| 15:25.30 | cyberholic | at the moment only the yahoo weather and the eventlist work. |
| 15:27.28 | hrw | cyberholic: thx but for me flash is good for banner or simple games. nothing more |
| 15:28.06 | wazd | hrw, well, it the right hands flash is VEEERY powerfull tool |
| 15:28.07 | cyberholic | hrw: checked out the mojos at mojocafe.net? full screen clocks on your device? |
| 15:28.33 | wazd | in the left hands everything sux :) |
| 15:28.47 | hrw | wazd: sure, but tell to adobe that x86 is not the only one existing platform |
| 15:28.59 | Jaffa | cyberholic: Opening a web browser, getting an internet connection and logging on to a website to get a full screen clock seemed a little.... inefficient.... to me. |
| 15:29.15 | qwerty12 | But the left side is the crip side! |
| 15:29.46 | wazd | Jaffa, just save them) |
| 15:30.24 | wazd | and then just click on the file and voia la :) |
| 15:30.36 | cyberholic | wazd: correct! |
| 15:31.16 | cyberholic | that only does not work with the news or weather Mojos as you need to go online. But as allready mentioned before, i think that it is only a question of time when people will be 24/7 online. |
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| 15:32.02 | wazd | 25/8! )) |
| 15:32.37 | cyberholic | lol |
| 15:32.42 | florian | hi murrayc_ |
| 15:32.50 | wazd | btw, why can't anybody make a desktop applet that plays flash?) |
| 15:32.51 | murrayc_ | hi florian |
| 15:33.04 | hrw | does not use any desktop applets now |
| 15:33.06 | cyberholic | wazd: because *nix loves not flash :) |
| 15:33.21 | wazd | ah, hell( |
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| 15:33.59 | wazd | hrw, you don't use OMWeather?! Die!111 xD |
| 15:34.10 | hrw | wazd: it does not work under Diablo |
| 15:34.29 | qwerty12 | Ya, I don't feel like going through gconf to configure the app :/ |
| 15:34.35 | Jaffa | wazd/cyberholic: yes, I know that's possible - and I've used it in the past for some games, but it's hardly user friendly |
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| 15:34.44 | qwerty12 | It may just need a recompile with diablo libraries though. |
| 15:34.46 | qwerty12 | shrugs |
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| 15:35.22 | hrw | omwheather is not buildable outside of maemo anyway |
| 15:35.34 | hrw | wazd: make it buildable without liblocation |
| 15:35.56 | wazd | why do you need OMWeather outside the maemo?) |
| 15:36.19 | snowmoon-work | you can't build it in scratchbox? |
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| 15:36.49 | wazd | Aw, I have a nice software idea :) Flash launcher!) |
| 15:36.53 | cyberholic | jaffa: as i said before, in my opinion it is not the question of the reason why, but because of the content. I also first thought: GEEEESus, i can play gameboy games on my n800 - but when i touched my screen so often, i get afraid that my device might break because of me wanting to play gameboy games on it. So i continue to play the games on my real gameboy. But the fullscreen clocks, weather info etc. is only there to offer some information w |
| 15:36.54 | hrw | wazd: because I want? |
| 15:37.24 | wazd | hrw, well, okay!) |
| 15:37.27 | hrw | snowmoon-work: scrachbox is not on my list of tools which I use |
| 15:37.49 | snowmoon-work | I havn't gotten around to it either |
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| 15:38.03 | wazd | we need something like MPlayer but for flash files :) |
| 15:38.20 | RST38h | you mean whole flash or .flv? |
| 15:38.36 | snowmoon-work | anyone know how to set the hildon input hints on GtkEntry fields through python? |
| 15:38.39 | wazd | .swf :0 |
| 15:38.41 | wazd | :) |
| 15:39.28 | Jaffa | wazd: Flash launcher and Flash desktop applets is exactly what Ubuntu Mobile uses for its whizzy home screen. It just hides the left-hand navigator and then has a very large applet in the middle of the desktop showing a Flash app |
| 15:39.45 | RST38h | Well, Adobe is supposed to have open-sourced flash player |
| 15:39.55 | snowmoon-work | *shudders* think of the battery people! |
| 15:39.56 | Jaffa | wazd: and there's already a stand-alone player for Flash files on the tablet, it's used in the "Getting started" thingy |
| 15:40.01 | Jaffa | snowmoon-work: indeed |
| 15:40.04 | wazd | Jafa, oh hell, i think it's damn slow :) |
| 15:40.14 | wazd | jaffa*, sorry |
| 15:40.46 | mouser- | Jaffa: Do you know the name of the built-in flash player? |
| 15:41.42 | wazd | Oh, if it's already there, we just need a finger-friendly launcher for files and here we go :) |
| 15:42.34 | qwerty12 | It "hooks" the microb flash plugin. I remember in chinook, if you turned it off in browser, getting started would show nothing. |
| 15:43.56 | wazd | damn, it's really great idea! It will allow developers to use another enviroment to make applications |
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| 15:45.22 | qwerty12 | Well, I don't think the getting started is open source but you can replace the swf file that it plays. |
| 15:45.29 | cyberholic | wazd: thats exactly why i started mojocafl.net - at least as it is flash, you can play it at nearly ANY device. I have been informed that the Mojos also do work on the PSP and the n95 with the latest firmware! |
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| 15:46.27 | penguinbait | did diablo come with rotation support? |
| 15:46.34 | qwerty12 | penguinbait, no |
| 15:46.47 | cyberholic | Ok guys. gotta go back to work. until then enjoy the day and wish you the best. |
| 15:47.09 | penguinbait | thats what I thought, but I have people telling me I broke the built in rotation support in diablo with my clone deb |
| 15:47.28 | qwerty12 | Itt = Noobs |
| 15:48.00 | penguinbait | yes qwerty |
| 15:48.54 | hrw | so it looks like Diablo needs only gnutls and libsoup? |
| 15:48.56 | penguinbait | its amazing how much time I spend on troubleshooting stuff, just because people refuse to #$@$#@ read |
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| 15:55.36 | qwerty12 | Ok, anyone want cfdisk? |
| 15:57.35 | snowmoon-work | ok... how about docs/examples on interacting with gconf through python? |
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| 16:03.29 | mgedmin | snowmoon-work: have you tried google? |
| 16:03.34 | mgedmin | I remember seeing something like that... |
| 16:03.47 | snowmoon-work | Yes, as wellas site searching maemo, pygtk, ... |
| 16:03.47 | mgedmin | it was a Python script that used gconf to set the desktop wallpaper |
| 16:03.54 | mgedmin | the bindings looked pretty simple |
| 16:04.13 | snowmoon-work | I'm sure they are simple, but I'm having a hell of a time finding updates docs |
| 16:04.33 | snowmoon-work | or any docs, right now I'm searching through 3 year old code looking for insight |
| 16:04.45 | mgedmin | import gconf; client = gconf.client_get_default(); print client.get_string("/desktop/gnome/background/picture_filename") |
| 16:08.13 | snowmoon-work | using help(gconf) is a poor substitute for docs |
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| 16:31.14 | hrw | can someone add 'how to add your package into extras repository' on wiki? |
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| 16:34.19 | qwerty12 | jott, ping |
| 16:34.44 | hrhr | hi, can anybody help me, I 5 times try to download with my unstable connect "diablo" image and have no success...have anybody link with resume download? |
| 16:34.47 | ccooke | Hmm |
| 16:41.40 | qwerty12 | W00T Party time |
| 16:41.56 | hellwolf | happy splitting |
| 16:42.12 | qwerty12 | It was nice knowing yo... ARRGH!!!!! |
| 16:42.20 | qwerty12 | has left the building |
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| 16:42.43 | hellwolf | has left the earth |
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| 17:15.26 | qwerty12 | ~lart nokia for taking the piss with kernel packaging |
| 17:15.26 | infobot | slaps nokia upside the head with a wet fish for taking the piss with kernel packaging |
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| 17:19.49 | Anunakin | can any posy the default content for hildon-application-manager.list on diablo ? |
| 17:19.54 | Anunakin | post |
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| 17:22.51 | mgedmin | Anunakin: you mean /var/lib/dpkg/info/hildon-application-manager.list ? |
| 17:23.32 | mgedmin | Anunakin: http://maemo.pastey.net/90031 |
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| 17:28.17 | killfill | hey.. |
| 17:28.26 | killfill | i have gpe-calendar installed |
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| 17:28.39 | killfill | and synevolution does not see the calendar database... whats the matter? |
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| 17:30.09 | n800n | is there a standalone onscreen keyboard app for n800? |
| 17:30.21 | n800n | other than the default |
| 17:30.41 | n800n | or a way to call it up manually? |
| 17:32.11 | killfill | there is the iphone keyb like demo.. :P |
| 17:35.45 | n800n | where? |
| 17:41.10 | Anunakin | mgedmin: I need this /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list |
| 17:44.52 | mgedmin | Anunakin: http://maemo.pastey.net/90034, more or less |
| 17:44.57 | mgedmin | mine is already customized |
| 17:45.03 | mgedmin | so I removed the extra repos |
| 17:45.11 | mgedmin | and changed the extras entry from chinook back to diablo |
| 17:45.42 | mgedmin | although the default was empty and I don't know how h-a-m represents that in sources.list |
| 17:46.26 | Anunakin | mgedmin: Thanks! |
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| 17:46.36 | EruditeHermit | hey |
| 17:47.12 | EruditeHermit | what is the difference between feature upgrade unlocked and the default feature upgrade |
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| 17:51.43 | PhosphoricX | I'd like to use a custom maemo menu icon, can anybody point me to a good tutorial. I don't want to package my app. |
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| 17:52.25 | inz | Why don't you want to package your app? |
| 17:53.11 | zap | PhosphoricX: put something liek "Icon=xxx" in your desktop file |
| 17:53.17 | zap | and put a xxx.png in /usr/share/pixmaps |
| 17:53.18 | zap | thats all |
| 17:53.31 | PhosphoricX | inz: still testing and had trouble setting up cpu transparency under VMware |
| 17:54.46 | PhosphoricX | zap: cool, but how do I get it to appear bigger |
| 17:54.56 | PhosphoricX | zap: right now it's tiny tiny, looks like 24x24 maybe |
| 17:55.03 | InteliWasp | is there a win ce emulator for the n800? |
| 18:02.59 | timeless | fwiw, i'm pulling the sources of diablo from repository.maemo.org |
| 18:03.09 | timeless | i should have a cross reference on timeless.justdave.net by the end of the week |
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| 18:08.04 | GeneralAntilles | Ugh, more spam. |
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| 18:09.13 | timeless | ? |
| 18:09.24 | GeneralAntilles | wiki |
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| 18:10.03 | Edgester | hi there, how can I flash the diabl image to my SD card so I can try diablo? |
| 18:11.22 | PhosphoricX | ah, finally go it, you have to rebuild the icon cache and put the 64x64 under scalable |
| 18:12.55 | Veggen | Hmm. Don't think maemo mapper works in Diablo... |
| 18:13.23 | GeneralAntilles | I've been using it for weeks. |
| 18:13.39 | qwerty12_N800 | ^ |
| 18:13.54 | Veggen | GA: it won't find any gpsd. |
| 18:14.08 | Veggen | ok, might be n810 specific. |
| 18:14.13 | GeneralAntilles | Bluetooth |
| 18:14.15 | GeneralAntilles | Blank MAC |
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| 18:15.03 | Veggen | ah, thanks. |
| 18:15.09 | Veggen | That was far from logical ;) |
| 18:15.17 | GeneralAntilles | It's covered pretty much everywhere, though. |
| 18:15.35 | Veggen | but it's changed in Diablo? |
| 18:15.39 | GeneralAntilles | No. |
| 18:15.43 | GeneralAntilles | Worked the same way in Chinook. |
| 18:15.55 | Veggen | hmf. But chinook had a proper gpsd too? |
| 18:16.08 | Veggen | I'm pretty sure I used gpsd. |
| 18:16.21 | GeneralAntilles | Then you reconfigured the gpsd in Chinook. |
| 18:17.02 | Veggen | oh well. Maybe I don't remember. |
| 18:17.13 | Veggen | I'm not gonna reflash Chinook to check it ;) |
| 18:17.18 | GeneralAntilles | You don't. ;) |
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| 18:18.10 | Veggen | now, time to go out, reboot the GPS while no network connection, and test how long it'll take to get a fix (with agps, mind you) |
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| 18:18.44 | Veggen | eh, reboot the n810... |
| 18:19.09 | hrhr | all, plz,I need RX-44_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, can anybody send me it by email, I can't download it from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php, I've very unstable link |
| 18:19.29 | timeless | no |
| 18:19.34 | timeless | that file is not for redist |
| 18:19.39 | Anunakin | hum ... |
| 18:20.00 | Anunakin | hrhr: try use firefox to download |
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| 18:20.17 | hrhr | ff3.0 error after reconnect =( |
| 18:20.54 | Anunakin | I using FF2.0.14 on Gentoo Linux |
| 18:21.07 | Anunakin | works nice |
| 18:21.12 | hrhr | I use opera, ff, konqueror on gentoo |
| 18:21.17 | hrhr | no effect |
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| 18:26.13 | GeneralAntilles | Man, it's an epic shitstorm of bad advice on itT. |
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| 18:29.47 | RST38h | GA: XChat/Transmission thread? |
| 18:30.11 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, and others. |
| 18:30.37 | RST38h | I do not understand what their problem is: both apps work for me on Diablo |
| 18:30.50 | RST38h | Modest, on the other hand, fails in a variety of ways |
| 18:31.17 | RST38h | Just found that its mail fetcher crashes, so I had to cancel dozens of "Mail application has crashed" dialogs |
| 18:36.30 | Veggen | ok. download openstreetmap full detail of the city center, before I go out on GPS testing expedition. |
| 18:39.22 | qwerty12_N800 | hates decimals. I always think 2.14 is newer than 2.8 until i remember 2.8 = 2.80 :/ |
| 18:39.44 | Veggen | with version numbers, you can't be sure. |
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| 18:40.46 | mgedmin | what? |
| 18:40.56 | mgedmin | oh, right |
| 18:41.10 | mgedmin | I've almost forgotten that version numbers used to be floats in DOS/Windows world |
| 18:41.25 | mgedmin | in Linux version numbers are strings of integers, sorted lexicographically |
| 18:41.39 | mgedmin | so 2.14 is usually newer than 2.8 |
| 18:42.00 | mgedmin | it's easier when there are three numbers: 2.14.0 vs 2.8.0 |
| 18:42.04 | mgedmin | then it's obvious this can't be a float |
| 18:42.08 | lcuk | ewww, that looks wrong, in windows im used to major.minor.revision |
| 18:42.29 | lcuk | hi marius btw |
| 18:42.30 | timeless | lcuk, i think the reference is to 3.11 v 3.1 |
| 18:42.39 | mgedmin | hi, lcuk |
| 18:42.47 | RST38h | qwerty: 2.14 newer than 2.8 =) |
| 18:42.57 | RST38h | 2.1.4 is not 2.14 =) |
| 18:43.42 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, Ah, thanks >.< |
| 18:43.57 | lcuk | 2.14.0 |
| 18:44.02 | qwerty12_N800 | ~lart dodgy versioning |
| 18:44.02 | infobot | beats the living hamstercrap out of dodgy versioning |
| 18:44.19 | lcuk | and any system you come up with will just confuse users more |
| 18:44.44 | lcuk | i actually like dated releases |
| 18:46.34 | InteliWasp | is there a winCE emulator for the n800? |
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| 18:47.14 | GeneralAntilles | OK, I'm not deleting anymore spam pages today |
| 18:47.26 | GeneralAntilles | anonymous http edit ban is going back in place for 24 hours. |
| 18:48.04 | RST38h | W: GPG error: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com diablo Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG F5925991C8009E74 Nokia repository signing key 1v1 |
| 18:48.05 | killfill | hey im GMT -4 |
| 18:48.09 | RST38h | What do I do? |
| 18:48.10 | killfill | where do i set this?.. |
| 18:48.17 | GeneralAntilles | Ignore it. |
| 18:48.22 | lcuk | killfill, move house |
| 18:48.31 | RST38h | GMT-4 is ocean |
| 18:48.33 | GeneralAntilles | killfill, what are you talkingg about? |
| 18:48.37 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, no it's not. |
| 18:48.41 | GeneralAntilles | It's EDT |
| 18:48.44 | lcuk | \s\boat\house\ |
| 18:48.46 | GeneralAntilles | or up in Canada. |
| 18:48.48 | RST38h | Ah, shit... |
| 18:48.50 | RST38h | forgot |
| 18:48.52 | lcuk | fails |
| 18:49.04 | GeneralAntilles | You'd still be wrong even if it weren't for DST. :P |
| 18:49.25 | RST38h | GA: Newfoundland is probably the only place |
| 18:49.26 | killfill | aah nevermind.. :P |
| 18:49.33 | GeneralAntilles | Canada, Brazil |
| 18:49.33 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.geographicguide.net/maps/time-zones.gif |
| 18:49.59 | RST38h | ah |
| 18:50.07 | lcuk | damn, openmoko released and the slashdot article says "t boasts a 500MHz processor, WiFi, 3D" newline *heart skipped a beat* "accelerometers, a 4.3-inch VGA touchscreen, Bluetooth, and built-in GPS." |
| 18:50.11 | RST38h | So, what do I do about that BADSIG error? |
| 18:50.18 | lcuk | get a better sig |
| 18:50.25 | GeneralAntilles | Ignore it |
| 18:50.25 | qwerty12_N800 | heh |
| 18:50.29 | GeneralAntilles | That's what I do, anyway. |
| 18:50.32 | RST38h | apt-get update stops |
| 18:50.43 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, it doesn't |
| 18:51.07 | qwerty12_N800 | those msgs are displayed after downloading new package lists |
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| 18:51.20 | killfill | where does pimlico dates save the calendar data? |
| 18:51.23 | killfill | need to reset it |
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| 18:52.57 | RST38h | qwerty:: ah |
| 18:53.07 | RST38h | apt-get upgrade installs flasher apps |
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| 18:53.17 | RST38h | then upgrades python...mhm |
| 18:55.20 | lcuk | can i list the packages i have installed and the dates when i installed them? |
| 18:55.27 | RST38h | BTW, I still have rtcom-beta-os2008 installed - should I remove it? |
| 18:55.32 | RST38h | lcuk: dpkg --list |
| 18:55.53 | lcuk | thx |
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| 19:01.07 | mgedmin | lcuk: for the dates try ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/*.list |
| 19:01.23 | RST38h | General: There? |
| 19:01.29 | mgedmin | sorry, ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list |
| 19:01.34 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 19:01.41 | lcuk | ahhh mgedmin thanks, i was just seeing if there was an option on dpkg |
| 19:01.52 | RST38h | General: Could you check if you have rtcom-beta-os2008 installed on your pad? |
| 19:02.05 | mgedmin | lcuk: if there is, tell me :-) |
| 19:02.09 | GeneralAntilles | I do not |
| 19:02.16 | GeneralAntilles | Er, well, should not |
| 19:02.18 | GeneralAntilles | I didn't install it. |
| 19:02.20 | RST38h | dpkg --llist ? |
| 19:02.24 | RST38h | --list sorry |
| 19:02.33 | lcuk | rst, doesnt list dates |
| 19:02.50 | RST38h | lcuk: I know, but I just need to find out if rtcom-beta-os2008 is present in diablo |
| 19:03.09 | GeneralAntilles | I do not. |
| 19:03.13 | Robot101 | hrm, we should probably update that, yeah :) |
| 19:03.25 | Robot101 | otoh, it should just work (tm) |
| 19:03.48 | GeneralAntilles | I was really hoping Diablo would ship with all the shiny new telepathy plugins. . . . |
| 19:04.02 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, It is not present by default in diablo but installs and works fine in diablo |
| 19:04.16 | Robot101 | if you look closely, the beta actually has the telepathy plugins hosted on collabora.co.uk :) |
| 19:04.35 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, that's where I've been directing people |
| 19:04.49 | GeneralAntilles | but I'd just as soon that everybody could add their AIM, Yahoo and MSN accounts right off the bat. |
| 19:05.23 | Robot101 | yeah, I think that'd involve paperwork between Nokia and the respective companies :) |
| 19:05.42 | snowmoon-work | Funny they didn't ship the rtcomm stuff ( that seems to work like a charm ) but shipped modest which hasn't been stable for months |
| 19:05.55 | RST38h | qwerty: but it is not needed, right? |
| 19:06.04 | RST38h | Robot: yep |
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| 19:06.32 | timeless | snowmoon: it's mostly controlled by promises |
| 19:06.41 | timeless | modest was committed for diablo |
| 19:06.49 | sinak | hello! Is there xchat for N800? |
| 19:06.50 | snowmoon-work | that like programming by faith ;-) |
| 19:06.55 | GeneralAntilles | http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ |
| 19:06.56 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, Not if you don't use msn, aim, yahoo or irc with the built in chat client. |
| 19:06.59 | RST38h | timeless: and it still crashes every time it goes to check email |
| 19:07.29 | RST38h | qwerty: just using icq and gtalk |
| 19:07.31 | timeless | rst38h: i use gmail |
| 19:07.35 | timeless | which works nicely in browser :) |
| 19:07.47 | sidnei_ | gmail is paaaainful to use on microb |
| 19:07.58 | sidnei_ | although quite reasonable on the ipod touch *wink* |
| 19:08.01 | lcuk | mgedmin, :) perfect - with a tweak (-ltr) i got the results even sorted as required |
| 19:08.07 | timeless | sidnei: https://mail.google.com/mail/h/ works fine |
| 19:08.15 | snowmoon-work | the iphone site in portrait mode isn't too bad |
| 19:08.32 | timeless | sidnei: you can also ask gmail to give you the apple feel in microb |
| 19:08.33 | RST38h | ohshiticqjustwentaway!!! |
| 19:08.33 | sidnei_ | is it possible to get microb in portrait mode? |
| 19:08.43 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, icq iirc is part of rtcomm |
| 19:08.45 | timeless | sidnei: not out of the box |
| 19:08.52 | RST38h | sidnei: Use mobile version of gmail |
| 19:08.56 | sidnei_ | timeless: yes, i did that, but on landscape mode its kinda odd |
| 19:08.57 | RST38h | qwerty: yep |
| 19:09.02 | timeless | sidnei: anyway, you have choices |
| 19:09.09 | timeless | https://mail.google.com/mail/x/ |
| 19:09.12 | timeless | https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=1 |
| 19:09.44 | timeless | depending on what you need, you should be able to find one that works |
| 19:09.56 | timeless | i know that an imap client will not be able to survive my mailboxes |
| 19:09.58 | timeless | so i don't bother |
| 19:10.14 | sidnei_ | same here :) |
| 19:10.18 | RST38h | timeless: I also use gmail and pine from xterm |
| 19:10.29 | sidnei_ | is there a mutt package? |
| 19:10.39 | RST38h | timeless: but it is still frustrating that the INTERNET tablet does not come with a working mail client |
| 19:10.41 | timeless | rst38h: ... |
| 19:10.41 | timeless | You are currently using 2498 MB (36%) of your 6863 MB. |
| 19:10.55 | timeless | 1 - 50 of 185525 Older . Oldest ; |
| 19:11.00 | snowmoon-work | I'm only using 200MB and modest still crashes |
| 19:11.05 | RST38h | I am? Really? :) |
| 19:11.06 | timeless | pine/mutt are not likely to survive that |
| 19:11.20 | GeneralAntilles | Modest has a 15k message hard-limit, I believe. |
| 19:11.33 | RST38h | timeless: Depends on how you sort it |
| 19:11.44 | timeless | rst38h: "sort"? never heard of that |
| 19:11.54 | timeless | but typically sorting 100k messages is very expensive |
| 19:11.55 | mgedmin | GeneralAntilles: really??? |
| 19:11.57 | RST38h | timeless <-- disorganized! =) |
| 19:12.07 | timeless | rst38h: why should i organize? |
| 19:12.13 | Stskeeps | uses gtd principles.. almost constant empty inbox and a read folder |
| 19:12.14 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:12.17 | sidnei_ | it wouldn't be so bad if modest respected the 'fetch only last 100 messages' setting |
| 19:12.32 | RST38h | timeless: to become a better human being? =) |
| 19:12.39 | sidnei_ | im really puzzled that that setting doesnt do anything |
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| 19:12.43 | timeless | https://mail.google.com/mail/#search/is%3Aunread+(crash+OR+crashes+OR+crashed+OR+coverity+OR+%22dumped+core%22+OR+segfault+OR+%22core+dump%22+OR+klocwork+OR+%22qacontact%3Atimeless%22+OR+%22bemail%22+OR+%22webtools.bugs%22+OR+%22ReportedBy%3Atimeless%22+OR+%22inspector%40extension.bugs%22)]/ |
| 19:12.49 | sidnei_ | maybe it's just for pop? |
| 19:13.18 | timeless | sidnei: imap doesn't work that way |
| 19:13.19 | GeneralAntilles | sidnei_, http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2008-June/033961.html |
| 19:13.20 | lcuk | doesnt google automatically handle plurals in its search algo? |
| 19:13.25 | timeless | you're generally required to get the whole index |
| 19:13.26 | GeneralAntilles | All explained very nicely there. |
| 19:13.48 | GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, that was the read I got from the thread, anyway. |
| 19:14.58 | lcuk | can i cough loudly and say outlook express can handle a metric shittonne of emails (thats a SI unit btw) |
| 19:15.25 | GeneralAntilles | You could, but then we'll just have to laugh at you for using Outlook. |
| 19:15.26 | melmoth | Anybody succeeded in uploading in extras or extras-devel for diablo ? |
| 19:15.54 | melmoth | The usual way (http://maemo.org/community/application-catalog/extras_repository.html) dont work for me anymore. |
| 19:16.14 | melmoth | And all the thread in the list do not states _where_ is actually explained the "new" way ,if any |
| 19:16.20 | GeneralAntilles | http://extras-cauldron.garage.maemo.org/HOWTO.html |
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| 19:17.29 | lcuk | is canola in the standard repo? |
| 19:17.38 | timeless | hrm, how new is extras-cauldron? |
| 19:17.41 | GeneralAntilles | It's in Extras. |
| 19:17.46 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, chinook extras |
| 19:17.47 | melmoth | thanks. Is it "official" (or just a garage project that makes an autobuilder) |
| 19:17.53 | lcuk | that wont go through the couldron then will it |
| 19:18.42 | timeless | cool, swift knows about extras-cauldron |
| 19:19.03 | GeneralAntilles | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2008-June/033979.html http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2008-June/033630.html |
| 19:19.10 | GeneralAntilles | See those threads. |
| 19:20.03 | timeless | gan: you should really move the css out of the howto file |
| 19:20.11 | timeless | and you should also fix the file extension |
| 19:20.21 | timeless | HOWTO.html w/ an xml / xhtml doctype |
| 19:20.22 | GeneralAntilles | Huh? |
| 19:20.40 | timeless | http://swift/garage/source/extras-cauldron/www/HOWTO.html?force=1 |
| 19:20.42 | RST38h | Anybody knows where rtcom stores contact information? |
| 19:20.46 | timeless | 1 <?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8" ?> |
| 19:20.46 | timeless | 2 <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd"> |
| 19:20.46 | timeless | 3 <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en" lang="en"> |
| 19:20.52 | timeless | 9 <style type="text/css"> |
| 19:20.54 | GeneralAntilles | timeless, I'm not involved with that at all. :P |
| 19:20.58 | GeneralAntilles | That's an X-Fade issue. |
| 19:21.07 | timeless | ok. => x-fade :) |
| 19:21.41 | melmoth | grumble, the process is more complicated than before (wich was not that simple already) |
| 19:22.00 | melmoth | now, admitting rebuild works, i end up with my package in extras-devel. |
| 19:22.09 | melmoth | so, i will need to push it in extras in some way. |
| 19:22.32 | GeneralAntilles | https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php |
| 19:22.34 | melmoth | wich i m sure i have seen somebody mention a web page doing that,but as i was not using it before, i did not bookmarked it :) |
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| 19:22.49 | timeless | hrm, is promoter-beta open source? |
| 19:22.55 | timeless | because swift doesn't seem to have that |
| 19:23.08 | GeneralAntilles | I'm not sure if the promoter has been enabled for Diablo Extras yet. . . . |
| 19:23.11 | melmoth | thanks |
| 19:23.20 | GeneralAntilles | melmoth, the info is in one of the threads I linked, anyway. |
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| 19:24.55 | timeless | grins |
| 19:25.21 | timeless | i downloaded the entire diablo sdk sources and in the process, the amount of disk space used on my system decreased :) |
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| 19:30.38 | sinak | I'm writing something to nano but I can't save it |
| 19:30.49 | sinak | when I'm trying Ctrl+O |
| 19:31.02 | sinak | it asks me about the name of the file |
| 19:31.24 | sinak | and I can't press enter |
| 19:31.28 | qwerty12_N800 | if you are editing something outside of /home/user ; make sure you are root |
| 19:31.34 | sinak | i'm root |
| 19:31.43 | sinak | it is not an access denied problem |
| 19:32.37 | timeless | um |
| 19:32.38 | mgedmin | sinak: press ctrl-m |
| 19:32.38 | sinak | the problem is that when it asks me about the file name, I can't press the enter key |
| 19:32.39 | mgedmin | or ctrl-j |
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| 19:32.51 | timeless | did someone change the svn server from garage.maemo.org to svn.garage.maemo.org ?? |
| 19:33.01 | sinak | ctrl-m worked! |
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| 19:33.13 | sinak | thank u mgedmin |
| 19:33.15 | sinak | :-) |
| 19:34.37 | sinak | chinook is for the OS2008? |
| 19:35.23 | sinak | *is chinook for the OS2008? |
| 19:35.26 | jsmith | Aren't "chinook" and "diablo" *BOTH* OS2008? |
| 19:35.30 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 19:35.33 | mgedmin | kinda yes |
| 19:35.35 | GeneralAntilles | Chinook is a release of OS2008. |
| 19:35.39 | zap | Maemo SDK will be updated for 4.1? Or the same SDK will do just fine? |
| 19:35.41 | mgedmin | chinook is the old 2008, diablo is the new 2008 |
| 19:35.50 | sinak | i see |
| 19:35.52 | GeneralAntilles | zap, the packages in the repo have been updated. |
| 19:36.01 | mgedmin | zap: http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo-4-1-diablo-sdk/ |
| 19:36.04 | qwerty12_N800 | zap, the sdk is already updated |
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| 19:36.36 | timeless | um |
| 19:36.38 | timeless | help |
| 19:36.43 | timeless | timeless@swift:/home/svn/world-all/garage% svn --non-interactive checkout https://svn.garage.maemo.org/svn/notyet |
| 19:36.53 | timeless | svn: PROPFIND of '/svn/notyet': Server certificate verification failed: certificate issued for a different hostname, issuer is not trusted (https://svn.garage.maemo.org) |
| 19:37.14 | timeless | ok |
| 19:37.19 | timeless | someone *broke* garage.maemo.org |
| 19:37.26 | timeless | it gives out bogus instructions |
| 19:38.38 | RST38h | says notyet! |
| 19:38.55 | timeless | doesn't matter |
| 19:38.59 | timeless | they all give the same output |
| 19:39.09 | timeless | i have a script that harvests garage |
| 19:39.13 | timeless | and it fails because of this |
| 19:45.55 | mgedmin | installs the diablo sdk and files https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3305 |
| 19:46.28 | sidnei_ | timeless: i believe you need to run without --non-interactive once and accept the cert |
| 19:46.38 | sidnei_ | timeless: and after that it will work |
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| 19:47.28 | mgedmin | had the same problem with buildbot and svn over https:// here; /me used svn ls https:/// interactively once to make svn accept the cert |
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| 20:06.09 | sinak | how can i paste text in terminal? |
| 20:06.56 | sinak | Ctrl+V doesn't work |
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| 20:08.24 | lbt_ | sinak: err... menu->edit->copy menu->edit->paste |
| 20:08.43 | sinak | you 're right :-) |
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| 20:17.13 | kkrusty | this update probably makes the maemo development appliance obsolete |
| 20:17.16 | kkrusty | correct? |
| 20:17.45 | lcuk | why does it? |
| 20:18.05 | qwerty12_N800 | i'm sure setanta will update soon. |
| 20:18.07 | kkrusty | because it was made for bora and chinook |
| 20:18.17 | lcuk | worst case, you still have scratchbox and linux and you may need a new development target |
| 20:19.20 | kkrusty | is about to run the appliance. VMWare runs extra slow on vista |
| 20:19.33 | lcuk | everything runs extra slow on vista |
| 20:19.52 | lcuk | so its not singled out for preferential treatment |
| 20:20.44 | lcuk | kkrusty, if its any concellation, vmware runs like a dog on my xp box as well |
| 20:21.49 | kkrusty | well my machine is a C2D 2.2 Ghz 4 GB Ram dell m1330. It shouldnt be like this |
| 20:22.42 | qwerty12_N800 | xp mce , 2.8 ghz dual core & 4gb ram and vmware runs fine. |
| 20:23.57 | lcuk | the mouse goes out of sync - ive got accel enabled in windows, but vmware doesnt pick up on it so it goes out of whack and i have to drag mouse back to opposite side to reset |
| 20:24.02 | lcuk | it annoyed me often |
| 20:24.05 | setanta | qwerty12_N800, kkrusty yep :) |
| 20:24.15 | lcuk | hence installing gcc on device and finding a better way :) |
| 20:24.44 | qwerty12_N800 | setanta, cool, thanks :) |
| 20:25.32 | MangoFusion | i tend to find that vm's really slow my MBP down if i'm not careful |
| 20:25.47 | MangoFusion | lots of HD access, etc |
| 20:26.36 | lcuk | more memory/faster bigger hard drive, do a reorg and dont use the same drive for vmware as your torrents |
| 20:26.58 | lbt_ | Mmm my lowly celeron server box runs 3 xen VMs, imap, ldap, dns, 1.2Tb filserver, egroupware(vm). No gui overhead I guess... |
| 20:27.07 | lbt_ | debian of course... |
| 20:27.39 | lbt | curses and goes back to g++ |
| 20:29.34 | lcuk | hey, dont just drop random linux nuggets like that and leave |
| 20:30.19 | lcuk | lbt, dont you get confused about which one your using |
| 20:30.45 | lbt | confused? |
| 20:30.54 | lbt | oh, which VM? |
| 20:31.15 | lbt | no, they all live in a virtual cupboard... |
| 20:31.22 | lbt | behind me |
| 20:31.25 | lcuk | :D cool |
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| 20:31.33 | lbt | I log into them via ssh :) |
| 20:31.44 | lbt | can't tell what's real and what's not... |
| 20:31.46 | lcuk | not fun then, they arent real vms then |
| 20:31.53 | lbt | like most of my life really... |
| 20:32.01 | lbt | Oh, they're real |
| 20:32.01 | lcuk | heh |
| 20:32.23 | lbt | One day I'm going to setup xen somewhere else |
| 20:32.32 | lbt | and take them on a day trip |
| 20:32.32 | lcuk | at least with me i know ive only got one cpu in the box, with your method they could multiply whilst you're not looking |
| 20:33.03 | lbt | I bought a hyperthreading Celeron from ebay so I have 2 virtual CPUs too |
| 20:33.28 | melmoth | GeneralAntilles: any idea why the -dev packages are not pushed to extras-devel when the build succeed ? |
| 20:33.29 | lcuk | hyperthreading was going to save the world |
| 20:33.29 | lcuk | :D |
| 20:33.32 | melmoth | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/clucene-core_0.9.20-1/ |
| 20:33.45 | GeneralAntilles | melmoth, could by a timing issue? |
| 20:33.49 | GeneralAntilles | Not sure |
| 20:33.55 | GeneralAntilles | I'm the wrong guy to ask, honestly. ;) |
| 20:34.00 | GeneralAntilles | But I don't think X-Fade's about. |
| 20:34.01 | melmoth | ok. no problemo |
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| 20:34.08 | lbt | anyway, leave me alone; I'm trying to relearn C++ and my head hurts... :) |
| 20:34.24 | lcuk | when you remember pass it on, |
| 20:34.40 | lcuk | the more i think about it, the more im convinced im ready |
| 20:35.05 | qwerty12_N800 | how did nokia come to the decsion of removing [batch-]unzip from diablo :( |
| 20:35.23 | lbt | lcuk: deep breath |
| 20:35.56 | lcuk | im still holding mine from last night |
| 20:36.17 | lbt | went well though didn't it? |
| 20:36.56 | lcuk | yes, i learnt what i already knew but worst fears haven't come true, ie i didnt blow peoples computers up |
| 20:38.20 | lcuk | god the double negatives there are shocking |
| 20:39.42 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, re liqbase, when you say "cpufreq functions require root permissions", do you mean I start the program as root, or add stuff to sudoers? |
| 20:40.18 | lcuk | qwerty12_N800, whichever you want :) as root for testing is simplest, if you decide to play for longer add it to sudoers |
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| 20:41.11 | qwerty12_N800 | ah, ok, thanks for clearing that up, I have an aversion to sudoers :) |
| 20:41.18 | lcuk | so do i |
| 20:41.44 | lcuk | but i have it setup on mine here simply because i use it all the time |
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| 20:42.45 | timeless | http://manzoogy.tistory.com/ |
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| 20:47.07 | GeneralAntilles | We really need to define a cleaner process for this: http://wiki.maemo.org/Questions_for_Nokia |
| 20:48.49 | wazd | Hello again :) |
| 20:49.13 | GeneralAntilles | We still need ideas here, too: http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Maemo-meeting/2 |
| 20:49.52 | ccooke | Is there a list of which repositories are safe for Diablo? |
| 20:50.31 | GeneralAntilles | Just stick to Extras and maybe -devel. |
| 20:50.53 | GeneralAntilles | There's no need to add every repository in existence |
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| 20:51.04 | GeneralAntilles | If you need something from a specific repository, then add it |
| 20:51.21 | GeneralAntilles | Generally speaking, Diablo is compatible with Chinook. |
| 20:51.43 | gpd | numptyphysics works on diablo - all is good in the world :) |
| 20:51.52 | khertan | Hi ! |
| 20:52.09 | khertan | hum i can t download it |
| 20:53.10 | wazd | General, we're making Maemo meetings here in Moscow as often as we can :) |
| 20:53.26 | GeneralAntilles | With Quim? ;) |
| 20:53.42 | wazd | Yaya, and with Elvis presley and Pokemons xDD |
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| 20:55.18 | wazd | Aaaw, you're proposing chat-meeting like the first time?) |
| 20:55.45 | wazd | Sorry, missunderstood :) |
| 20:56.29 | GeneralAntilles | Quim's available until the 3rd of July |
| 20:56.34 | GeneralAntilles | We need to get a topic and agenda together. |
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| 21:01.21 | lcuk | damn evil eye goop. |
| 21:01.29 | lcuk | ~lart fucithalmic |
| 21:01.29 | infobot | pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps fucithalmic |
| 21:01.45 | wazd | So much to think off ) |
| 21:03.40 | RST38h | A schoolboy aged 12 has been identified as an al-Qaeda inspired extremist after sending beheading videos to his classmates, police have disclosed. |
| 21:03.55 | RST38h | [what's wrong about sending beheading videos?] |
| 21:04.01 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 21:04.02 | wazd | Am I mistaking or in the 'maemo-wiki" there is no "anti-trolling" defence?) |
| 21:04.02 | GeneralAntilles | Awesome. |
| 21:04.14 | ds3 | and couldn't he be inspired by the frogs^H^H^H^H^Hfrench? |
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| 21:04.38 | lcuk | wazd, GeneralAntilles is on guard, i think hes locked down anon editing for a while, please remove anything you do find |
| 21:05.05 | GeneralAntilles | There's no captcha at the moment |
| 21:05.14 | GeneralAntilles | I blocked anonymous edits over http for the time being |
| 21:05.16 | lcuk | hes not answering now because hes just opening an email from RST38h |
| 21:05.19 | lcuk | :P |
| 21:05.23 | lbt | there is - it's called "registering" |
| 21:05.24 | wazd | luck, well, no now it's all ok, but anybody can delete all of the stuff :) |
| 21:05.38 | wazd | lcuk, sorry :) |
| 21:05.42 | GeneralAntilles | It's easy enough to revert. |
| 21:05.43 | lcuk | thats what a wiki is for |
| 21:06.04 | wazd | that's good :) |
| 21:06.33 | lcuk | hopefully productive users add good content faster than the trolls can fill in crap or wipe stuff |
| 21:06.48 | lcuk | its your stereotypical good vs evil debate thats raged throughout the galaxy |
| 21:07.05 | GeneralAntilles | It'll likely end up that anonymous edits aren't allowed |
| 21:07.16 | GeneralAntilles | and it's damn easy to block trolling accounts. ;) |
| 21:07.34 | wazd | Trolling means popularity :) |
| 21:07.41 | RST38h | I hope maemo.org logins work? |
| 21:07.48 | lcuk | or just quim is drunk at the keyboard again |
| 21:07.49 | GeneralAntilles | wiki uses Garage accounts |
| 21:07.50 | wazd | yep, all clear :) |
| 21:09.47 | wazd | I have suc h a huge material on "how to upgrade developing collaboration process" but it's so huge so it will take tons of time to make it written and drawn :) |
| 21:11.21 | wazd | Diablo is really speedy, just like real diablo :) |
| 21:12.02 | qwerty12_N800 | hmm, real diablo, i wouldn't know... |
| 21:12.19 | wazd | lambo i mean ;) |
| 21:12.38 | khertan | real Diablo isn't really fast |
| 21:12.51 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 21:12.52 | lbt | Next release should be called Tuscan |
| 21:12.58 | khertan | specially when you r waiting to fully the tank |
| 21:13.16 | GeneralAntilles | lbt, I like that idea. :D |
| 21:13.32 | wazd | Concorde :) |
| 21:13.41 | lbt | great balls of fire! |
| 21:13.44 | khertan | ouch download finished |
| 21:13.48 | khertan | 1 hours |
| 21:13.50 | khertan | huhu |
| 21:14.36 | lcuk | is diablo actually faster? |
| 21:14.49 | wazd | yep, much |
| 21:15.01 | lcuk | mmm will have to try |
| 21:15.09 | GeneralAntilles | Probably mostly placebo |
| 21:15.14 | GeneralAntilles | and/or the clean install effect |
| 21:15.17 | lcuk | i bet noone knows if i can still install gcc and all dev stuff |
| 21:15.22 | GeneralAntilles | There have been a lot of improvements |
| 21:15.28 | wazd | At least media player and MicroB is faster :) |
| 21:15.28 | GeneralAntilles | Especially in Application manager |
| 21:15.38 | lcuk | well mine already runs superquick anywa (performance mode effects whole system) |
| 21:15.41 | GeneralAntilles | Media player doesn't choke out on UPnP shares now. |
| 21:15.51 | kkrusty | the theme is nice |
| 21:15.53 | kkrusty | :) |
| 21:16.05 | GeneralAntilles | It's no different from Chinook. |
| 21:16.09 | GeneralAntilles | Just different background. |
| 21:16.22 | kkrusty | in that case. The background is nice |
| 21:16.50 | GeneralAntilles | For nice backgrounds: http://interfacelift.com/wallpaper/index.php?sort=date&aspect=mobile_devices |
| 21:16.52 | wazd | I was thinking, maybe if there is "update on the air" now, Nokia can bundle more software in the box?) |
| 21:17.07 | wazd | Well, it was always there |
| 21:17.13 | wazd | the background :) |
| 21:17.47 | GeneralAntilles | Personally, I'd rather see Nokia putting their efforts into the platform stuff |
| 21:18.00 | GeneralAntilles | leave the software to 3rd parties not encumbered by Nokia's retarded UI specs. |
| 21:18.31 | wazd | I think application manager must be more integrated in the maemo.org download section. With pearls. fresh, popular, ratings and comments |
| 21:18.39 | GeneralAntilles | Big thunderstorm coming . . . let's see if the power manages to stay up for round 2. <_< |
| 21:18.49 | wazd | maybe I should write this stuff into maemoUI |
| 21:18.54 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, I agree. |
| 21:18.55 | GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:GeneralAntilles/Improving_the_Application_manager |
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| 21:19.33 | wazd | Woow! Nice! |
| 21:20.00 | qwerty12_N800 | I wish nokia would put in a "do not show this message for future installs again" checkbox for the legal message. |
| 21:20.16 | lcuk | but future installs might not be you |
| 21:20.37 | kkrusty | canola works with diablo? |
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| 21:20.49 | GeneralAntilles | kkrusty, Diablo is 99% compatible with Chinook. |
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| 21:21.13 | Addison | Hey, what's going on fellas? :) |
| 21:21.19 | kkrusty | GeneralAntilles: I see... |
| 21:21.19 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, I recall there being an article on the statusbar applets on your UI blog, did you ever see http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/advanced-backlight/ ? |
| 21:21.21 | wazd | but OMWeather crashes :) |
| 21:21.51 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, I still don't see the point of that message anyway, it's just nokia being pussies, I've never had a message like that on any of my mobile devices. |
| 21:22.00 | wazd | General, yep, it's great, I'm using it all day) |
| 21:22.16 | Addison | Quick question. Could someone term the "gonf" command so that I can have a 14 font size for TerminusRe33-Bold in Xterm? I'm using the latest Chinook OS. |
| 21:22.17 | Addison | Thanks. |
| 21:22.19 | lcuk | qwerty12_N800, have your other mobile devices had unsigned software installs? |
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| 21:22.30 | ryoohki | i just flashed my n800 to the latest version of os2008 and went to reinstall mplayer but no go - the one click install won't work and neither will anything else i tried |
| 21:22.31 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, yes |
| 21:22.40 | Addison | Heya qwerty! |
| 21:22.50 | wazd | But it's not my idea, like for examle, Andrew's large statusbar clock :) |
| 21:22.54 | qwerty12_N800 | Hi Addison :) |
| 21:22.54 | Addison | What's up big daddy? |
| 21:23.13 | lcuk | wasd, your blog - care to give me a link? |
| 21:23.21 | GeneralAntilles | ryoohki, duplicate the maemo Extras entry add "chinook" to the distribution line. |
| 21:23.35 | wazd | http://tabletui.wordpress.com |
| 21:23.35 | lcuk | sees the error of his googling ways |
| 21:23.38 | wazd | welcome :) |
| 21:23.43 | lbt | details here ryoohki http://wiki.maemo.org/Installation#Diablo_Extras |
| 21:23.44 | lcuk | thanks :) |
| 21:23.51 | qwerty12_N800 | Addison, Nothing much, /me just still tired :/ |
| 21:23.56 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, no, it's the result of an idea I had been trying to find somebody to code up since early 2006. ;) |
| 21:24.14 | Addison | Hey General, could you give me a little help with your TerminusRe33-Bold font? I'd like to have it set at 14 but Xterm only allows for either a 12 or 16 through the menu selection. |
| 21:24.32 | GeneralAntilles | Not my field, Addison. ;) |
| 21:24.46 | wazd | Post your ideas there if you like, and I can make illustrations if you like again :) |
| 21:24.48 | Addison | Okay General. Thought you of all people wouldn't have know. |
| 21:24.57 | lcuk | wazd, im not sure if you've seen the stuff ive been writing, but making the most out of the tablet is high on my priorities |
| 21:24.58 | Addison | known = know. |
| 21:25.27 | wazd | lcuk, no, can you give me a link?) |
| 21:25.32 | lcuk | sure |
| 21:25.37 | qwerty12_N800 | wazd, GeneralAntilles, brilliant mockups |
| 21:25.49 | GeneralAntilles | Mock ups are fun |
| 21:25.59 | lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUPp_mE7rwI overview vid, in the description theres a link to downloads and ITT thread |
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| 21:26.05 | wazd | BTW, one of my UI ideas is already heading the way to the real world :) |
| 21:26.06 | lcuk | hand codes mockups |
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| 21:26.47 | GeneralAntilles | Photoshop is fast enough |
| 21:27.10 | wazd | lcuk, wooohohohohooooooowo!111 |
| 21:27.15 | lcuk | :) sketching is faster |
| 21:27.45 | GeneralAntilles | For making mock-ups that look like the real thing? I think not. ;) |
| 21:27.56 | ryoohki | lbt: this page must have changd http://wiki.maemo.org/Installation#Diablo_Extras |
| 21:27.58 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, haven't you seen the art posted on the forums ? |
| 21:28.04 | wazd | No words |
| 21:28.09 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, it's quite impressive, actually |
| 21:28.11 | lcuk | my real life interface is hand drawn :) ive always imagined widgets and ui elements drawn |
| 21:28.20 | lcuk | wazd, you can download and play yourself |
| 21:28.31 | crashanddie | lcuk, hey mate :) |
| 21:28.38 | lcuk | hi crashanddie :) art? forums? |
| 21:28.46 | lcuk | not sketches yet then? |
| 21:29.05 | wazd | lcuk, thats hell impressive!11!! |
| 21:29.05 | crashanddie | lcuk, you insensitive clod, how could you keep me up for so long yesterday |
| 21:29.12 | lcuk | :) thank you |
| 21:29.13 | lbt | ryoohki: I guess someone reverted my work - ah well |
| 21:29.16 | crashanddie | this morning was murder, trying to get up with 2 hours of sleep |
| 21:29.29 | Addison | So I take it no one here knows how to use the gconf command in Xterm to change the font size? Sorry for the unrelenting, obsessive questioning. :D |
| 21:29.31 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, let me know when you can free-hand something like this. ;) http://tabletui.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/web_12.jpg |
| 21:29.35 | lcuk | sorry, i wasnt much better, and before work i had to put evil eye drops in |
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| 21:29.53 | wazd | Dang, how did you get kinetic scrolling so smooth?) |
| 21:30.05 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, anytime of the day, given the correct resolution |
| 21:30.13 | qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles, For me, in the latest diablo image, the repo refresh button is enabled in the main view. |
| 21:30.28 | ds3 | anyone plant to write a Symbian emulator for Linux once they open it? |
| 21:30.29 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, did you hack? It's not here. |
| 21:30.33 | lcuk | wazd :) hand coded every pixel using the only display format available thats almost tear free :) |
| 21:30.41 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, OK, right now. ;) |
| 21:30.42 | ryoohki | lbt: maybe it's in the history of the page |
| 21:31.02 | crashanddie | lcuk & GeneralAntilles: and yeah, I misunderstood the point of the discussion, I thought photoshop was cited as tool for making art, against the tablet option, not UI |
| 21:31.02 | qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles, No hacks, stock diablo application manager. I have red pill on but that's it. |
| 21:31.15 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, :P |
| 21:31.20 | lbt | nope - but I'm not sure that shows reversions? |
| 21:31.28 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, I'm tired, some other day, will ya :P |
| 21:31.39 | wazd | lcuk, thats tooo impressive :) |
| 21:31.40 | Addison | Hey qwerty, did you get my last two messages? I'm using that java.freenode.net thing again. Not sure if I'm using it correctly. |
| 21:31.41 | crashanddie | brb, forgot the NIT in the car |
| 21:31.44 | lcuk | wazd, i found out that YUV format (same as movie player) can display things better than SDL etc. however there are no drawing aids for writing to YUV, so i made them, now ive started working towards building the ui i need for other things |
| 21:32.01 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, it's not here |
| 21:32.07 | qwerty12_N800 | Addison, No, i didn't get the messages. |
| 21:32.09 | GeneralAntilles | Red Pill doesn't change anything, either. |
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| 21:32.28 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm, spoke too soon |
| 21:32.37 | GeneralAntilles | Red Pill does change things after you restart Application manager. |
| 21:32.38 | wazd | lcuk, the only thing I can argue with you is book reader :) |
| 21:32.40 | lcuk | wazd, touch interface needs a fast refresh. nokia tablets were letting themselves down. i needed speed to do what i want to do |
| 21:32.43 | GeneralAntilles | Still, that's not a solution. ;) |
| 21:32.59 | lcuk | wazd, what do you mean |
| 21:33.08 | qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles, I 'll patch that for blue pill if you want? |
| 21:33.37 | GeneralAntilles | Thanks, but I'm not too worried about it |
| 21:33.45 | wazd | lcuk, well, natural action when you reading normal book, that you turning the page and send your eyes to the top |
| 21:33.48 | GeneralAntilles | it's just something that needs to be fixed in the shipping Application manager. |
| 21:34.46 | wazd | the simpliest way to emulate this process on PDA is to simply switch page) |
| 21:34.56 | lcuk | wazd, i dont expect it to be used fully like that all the time, but for the last few years ive used a program called iSolo and it has automatic scrolling. i just replicated it as a test of performance - ie once i knew i could do it i would. i want the kinetic text for document editing not reading |
| 21:35.26 | wazd | but maybe I missunderstood you and you meant different than continuous scrolling :) |
| 21:36.35 | lcuk | on maemo, in fbreader - its anoying as feck to turn pages because its either too sensitive or its not enough and im always frustrated, my page renderer has clean page by page |
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| 21:37.16 | crashanddie | back |
| 21:37.47 | wazd | lcuk, are you planning to make some "not-showcase" software based on that "oooh-aaaah"?) |
| 21:38.09 | kkrusty | lcuk: do you get that presistant scrolling problem? |
| 21:38.27 | lcuk | yes, but because of limited time (i work as well) i put number one first :) |
| 21:38.36 | lcuk | kkrusty, which one |
| 21:38.59 | Addison | Ah poopers. I posted a rotated keyboard in the Apps forum and not so much as a dim flicker of recognition from anyone. |
| 21:39.05 | crashanddie | kkrusty, the lag, in the code editor ? |
| 21:39.06 | Addison | Then depression sets in. :) |
| 21:39.09 | GeneralAntilles | kkrusty, FBReader has a fix for that in settings. |
| 21:39.56 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, fbreader for me has a problem going backwards when i am near the end of a large (4-500pages) book, i dont notice it earlier usually cos i dont normally go back |
| 21:40.14 | lcuk | it takes 3-4seconds to respond just one page bacwards |
| 21:40.22 | GeneralAntilles | I practically never go back. |
| 21:40.41 | kkrusty | Well it happens with generally all viewers that if I'm just a bit too overzealous in scrolling up or down, it tends to presistantly scroll |
| 21:41.11 | lcuk | with the super "undisablable touch screen to goto next page" setting i always end up needing to go back |
| 21:41.14 | kkrusty | then I have to scroll in the opposite direction as if trying to catch an escaping monkey |
| 21:41.18 | lcuk | theres no bezel on the 810 to hold properly |
| 21:41.27 | GeneralAntilles | Er, you can disable that. . . . |
| 21:41.32 | GeneralAntilles | Have been able to for a while now. |
| 21:41.52 | kkrusty | GeneralAntilles: I can? |
| 21:41.55 | lcuk | i tohught it would tell me of updates.. |
| 21:41.57 | lcuk | hmm |
| 21:42.03 | GeneralAntilles | No, lcuk. |
| 21:42.11 | ryoohki | lbt: can't find the revision - can you help? |
| 21:42.14 | GeneralAntilles | But FBReader has a fix for the scrolling issue in its settings, kkrusty. |
| 21:42.15 | kkrusty | GeneralAntilles: right |
| 21:42.37 | kkrusty | GeneralAntilles: awesome |
| 21:42.40 | lcuk | does like fbreader |
| 21:42.57 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, figure out a way to put your text rendering in place of FBReader's |
| 21:43.10 | lbt | ryoohki: added it now, FWIW :) http://wiki.maemo.org/Upgrading_tablet_OS#Diablo_Extras |
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| 21:43.28 | qwerty12_N800 | i don't think sdl, xsp go well in hildon interface |
| 21:43.43 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, one step ahead :) |
| 21:44.05 | wazd | lcuk, it writes me "permission denied" :( |
| 21:44.10 | wazd | red pill?) |
| 21:44.14 | lcuk | noooo |
| 21:44.17 | qwerty12_N800 | wazd, chmod +x |
| 21:44.20 | lcuk | what gives permission denied |
| 21:44.34 | wazd | ./liqbase :) |
| 21:44.40 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, please use tar.gz instead of zip next time |
| 21:44.53 | Addison | Okay, well I need to go shop for a birthday present for the wife right now. I'm thinking about getting her a new toilet seat. That's a good gift isn't it? :) |
| 21:45.03 | Addison | Thanks again Qwerty! See ya guys! |
| 21:46.06 | wazd | well, still denied :) |
| 21:46.32 | qwerty12_N800 | meh, i just did chmod +x ./liqbase and it worked |
| 21:47.04 | wazd | orly :) |
| 21:47.14 | wazd | nothing happened :) |
| 21:47.24 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, do you have it on one of the cards? |
| 21:47.32 | wazd | yep |
| 21:47.36 | GeneralAntilles | That's the problem. |
| 21:47.44 | wazd | aw hell :) |
| 21:47.45 | GeneralAntilles | FAT doesn't have permission bits. ;) |
| 21:47.58 | lcuk | wazd, you need to put it onto a location that allows execution |
| 21:48.19 | lcuk | the mmc doesnt because its fat |
| 21:48.34 | wazd | fat cow... xD |
| 21:48.36 | lcuk | is now behind the cruve ;) |
| 21:48.44 | lcuk | and getting worse... |
| 21:49.18 | lcuk | what do people think about the 2000 stars by the way ? |
| 21:49.31 | lcuk | and the menu system? |
| 21:49.53 | kkrusty | 2000 stars? |
| 21:50.34 | lcuk | yes, the startup screen contains 2000 stars :) i thought more was overkill and on powersave it crawled ;) |
| 21:51.03 | kkrusty | really? I must see that |
| 21:51.12 | lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUPp_mE7rwI |
| 21:51.23 | lcuk | and theres a link in there to grab a binary and see for yourself |
| 21:51.28 | wazd | hell, i'll never learn this f*#&ing console) |
| 21:51.56 | lcuk | sorry - packaging isnt a strong point, hell most of linux is still weak to me |
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| 21:52.06 | lcuk | fails |
| 21:52.26 | lcuk | wazd, i bet you aren't root either are you |
| 21:53.37 | wazd | well, it doesn't write anything to the console but nothingg happens |
| 21:53.47 | lbt | lcuk: 2000? not 2008 :) |
| 21:54.19 | lcuk | ok, theres 2008, and i challenge anyone to count them |
| 21:54.40 | lcuk | wicked http://www.newscientist.com/blog/technology/2008/06/dual-display-e-book-reader-lets-you.html |
| 21:55.13 | lcuk | ive gotta get another 810 and do that! |
| 21:55.53 | kkrusty | where do you volunteer for maemo projects? |
| 21:56.07 | GeneralAntilles | "projects"? |
| 21:56.19 | kkrusty | the garage website seems similar to sourceforge |
| 21:56.19 | wazd | lcuk, help, your demo not starting :) |
| 21:56.32 | kkrusty | I was thinking that there would've been a "help wanted" page |
| 21:56.37 | lcuk | kkrusty, didnt we answer this for you the other day: find something that bugs you, see what you can do to help. even if you donjt get fully involved you will have solved your own problem and possibly others |
| 21:56.57 | GeneralAntilles | kkrusty, I think it depends on the project. |
| 21:57.11 | wazd | kkrusty, there is such a button in the garrage |
| 21:57.25 | wazd | "Help needed" :) |
| 21:57.29 | Veggen | the cards are mounted with "noexec" option, it has nothing to do with file system permissions, actually. |
| 21:57.32 | lcuk | ok wazd, copy the whole folder to somewhere executable ( /home/user/MyDocs/liqbase or something) |
| 21:57.37 | kkrusty | shuts up |
| 21:57.46 | wazd | lcuk it's now in MyDocs |
| 21:57.56 | lcuk | ok, from the shell, cd into that folder |
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| 21:58.07 | lcuk | and type ./liqbase and tell me what happens |
| 21:58.19 | |penguinbait| | is ITT dying or is it just me? |
| 21:58.35 | wazd | but just nothing happends on chmod +x ./liqbase |
| 21:58.40 | GeneralAntilles | |penguinbait|, the server or the "community"? :P |
| 21:58.51 | wazd | Aw |
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| 21:59.00 | wazd | it started without chmod :) |
| 21:59.06 | wazd | Stupid me :) |
| 21:59.15 | |penguinbait| | community is not dying, which may be why its the server |
| 21:59.42 | GeneralAntilles | itT is pretty pathetic these days. |
| 21:59.45 | |penguinbait| | el Diablo I assume |
| 21:59.58 | Veggen | Hmm. Was Chinook ipv6-ready? |
| 22:00.24 | lcuk | ok, there are 2 other things that might have gone wrong: (1) as normal user you cannot run it at fullspeed, you need to be root. (2) if you did not create the folder: /home/user/MyDocs/_apg it cannot save any sketches |
| 22:00.25 | wazd | wow, Stars are really awesome, especially in lower resolutions :) |
| 22:00.27 | GeneralAntilles | Veggen, no. |
| 22:00.43 | Veggen | well, there's ipv6 support of some sort in Diablo. |
| 22:00.50 | lcuk | wazd, at fullspeed they are awesomer :) i run at performance 99% of the time now :) |
| 22:01.16 | lcuk | was playing with the idea of automatically rooting and running in performance mode.. |
| 22:01.44 | lbt | lcuk: well, you could setuid |
| 22:02.16 | Veggen | but this is probably already known. I'm afraid I haven't followed/read the full "what do we know about Diablo"-thread in iTT :) |
| 22:02.30 | kkrusty | lcuk: Well for instance I would've wanted to work on gngeo but 1) I cant seem to get the source 2) Im not sure the project is active either. Asking here would've been better if for instance some person actually needs people for his projects (which happens a lot in OSS). But I'll follow your suggestion... |
| 22:02.45 | GeneralAntilles | Diablo added IPv6 |
| 22:02.57 | lcuk | gngeo as in gaming emulator? |
| 22:02.59 | GeneralAntilles | It's been known for a while. |
| 22:03.09 | kkrusty | lcuk: yes |
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| 22:03.36 | wazd | lcuk, thats very very impressive. Hope you'll develop anithing out of that showcase :) |
| 22:04.04 | lcuk | kkrusty, keep your eye out for pupnik, he is gaming god and has lots of emulators on his site ready for 810, also RST38h is developing something i believe |
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| 22:04.14 | lcuk | pupnik.de i think is his site |
| 22:04.33 | kkrusty | lcuk: cool! thanks |
| 22:04.34 | lcuk | yes, start there |
| 22:04.34 | m-vo | Finale! Ohohoho! |
| 22:05.08 | lcuk | pupnik was requesting people to get involved and see whether they can be made better |
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| 22:06.54 | lcuk | wazd, i use it everyday, it isnt just technology. it holds my dinner orders or things i want to code at night or bug info or documentation |
| 22:07.03 | lcuk | i have 500sketches already |
| 22:08.06 | lcuk | i have always doodled on paper and wrote short bursts of code, and ive always wanted a way to get them in quickly and manage and tag them so i dont have to rewrite the same thing on the next notepad |
| 22:08.44 | wazd | ah, why am I a simple designer, but not a coder( |
| 22:08.52 | lcuk | so when released i should be able to say this sketch is related to x y z (with quick clicks on mini sketches...) and allow my ideas to evolve |
| 22:09.03 | lcuk | i never delete sketches so i can see the evolution of an idea |
| 22:09.48 | lcuk | :) nokia device is allowing me to achieve all this |
| 22:10.02 | lcuk | still thinks powervr 3d drivers would make life better though |
| 22:10.56 | lcuk | im gonna go grab some food anyway :) cyas later |
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| 22:11.14 | wazd | you can write some tutorials on how does this thing works and how to use it in the software for example) |
| 22:11.56 | wazd | Well, I'm gonna go grab some sleep anyway, cause it's too late in here :) See yas :) |
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| 22:15.44 | bmidgle1 | can os2008 find a wifi access point that doesn't broadcast the essid? |
| 22:16.42 | phacka | hello |
| 22:17.07 | phacka | has anybody had any luck installing mogg on new diablo update ? |
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| 22:27.25 | ryoohki | what is OS2008HE? |
| 22:28.42 | Atarii | 2008 OS for the 770 |
| 22:28.47 | ryoohki | ok |
| 22:28.53 | ryoohki | Atarii: thanks! |
| 22:29.29 | Atarii | np |
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| 22:41.34 | wnd | nice. no more compiling the kernel just to get ipv6. :-) |
| 22:43.01 | Veggen | but not all networking tools are ipv6-enabled. |
| 22:43.39 | Veggen | I was digging around, and couldn't understand why the hell it didn't get an ipv6 adress...module loaded: check. autoconf enabled: check. Autoconf works on other machines on the network: check. |
| 22:43.39 | _afk | any cheap but decent fullsized pen tablets around? |
| 22:43.51 | _afk | damn |
| 22:43.57 | wnd | Veggen, did you check "ip addr"? |
| 22:43.58 | lcuk | better |
| 22:44.19 | Veggen | wnd: nope, only ifconfig :) |
| 22:44.24 | wnd | looks like busybox ifconfig simply doesn't show ipv6 |
| 22:44.27 | Veggen | (which didn't show it) |
| 22:44.37 | Veggen | ah, of course. busybox. |
| 22:45.05 | GeneralAntilles | bmidgle1, I believe you have to add it manually from the connection manager. |
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| 22:53.41 | wnd | http://wnd.katei.fi/maemo/misc/loadipv6_0.2_all.deb for those who are interested (thanks GeneralAntilles for reminding) |
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| 23:01.05 | lcuk | OMG!!!!!! |
| 23:01.50 | lcuk | i was just playing with liqbase and just doing what i do until i pressed a key and was told to slide [| ] to unlock |
| 23:02.29 | lcuk | locked isnt really locked, its just not normally watched for - isn't that a bug? |
| 23:04.11 | GeneralAntilles | Huh? |
| 23:05.11 | johnx | lcuk, it might depend on how you draw your window |
| 23:05.44 | johnx | for instance, how high it is set to stack over other windows |
| 23:05.52 | lcuk | regardless - the operating system should be prevented from input when locked |
| 23:06.15 | lcuk | it blocks keypresses (because it shouts at me |
| 23:07.10 | lcuk | let me just test something |
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| 23:09.49 | johnx | lcuk, lock isn't an OS level event |
| 23:09.57 | johnx | it's an x server level event AFAIK |
| 23:10.21 | lcuk | but something sits watching the input chain because it does block key events |
| 23:10.41 | lcuk | ! ahhhhhhh, i am talking via mouse x extension thingy |
| 23:10.44 | lcuk | lemme just see |
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| 23:12.37 | lcuk | ok: xv displays through the lock just like it does when you are playing movies, keys are blocked because they are standard. i wonder if any other applications are using the Xsp mouse extension library |
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| 23:14.20 | lcuk | ahhh well, ill just watch for it when i hildonize |
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| 23:27.01 | sinak_ | minefield is too heavy for N800 |
| 23:27.15 | sinak_ | anything lighter? |
| 23:27.31 | GeneralAntilles | Uh . . . MicroB? :\ |
| 23:27.59 | sinak_ | is microb a browser? |
| 23:28.30 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, the built-in one. . . . |
| 23:28.49 | sinak_ | i don't like that |
| 23:29.16 | GeneralAntilles | It's the best option |
| 23:29.20 | GeneralAntilles | Everything else sucks right now. |
| 23:29.36 | sinak_ | i want tabbed browsing |
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| 23:30.23 | GeneralAntilles | We really don't have the RAM for that. |
| 23:31.00 | sinak_ | s#@t |
| 23:33.42 | lcuk | gen? |
| 23:33.53 | GeneralAntilles | lcu? |
| 23:33.53 | lcuk | open in new window works, why cant we open in new tab |
| 23:34.01 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia UI spec |
| 23:34.02 | GeneralAntilles | See the bug |
| 23:34.07 | lcuk | its the interface used for changing thats important |
| 23:34.16 | lcuk | its horrid swiching by going to the menu |
| 23:34.20 | GeneralAntilles | But open-in-new window tends to result in running out of RAM rather rapidly after 5 or so windows |
| 23:34.26 | GeneralAntilles | I agree |
| 23:34.34 | GeneralAntilles | I want tabbed browsing, too. |
| 23:34.47 | lcuk | or "something" better than now |
| 23:34.50 | GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1695 |
| 23:34.55 | lcuk | i wonder if a mac app switcher would work |
| 23:35.11 | GeneralAntilles | Er, a Dock clone? |
| 23:35.14 | lcuk | single hardware home keypress shows all apps |
| 23:35.20 | lcuk | alt tab thingy |
| 23:35.26 | bmidgle1 | GeneralAntilles fwiw, I can't find a place in connection manager to manually add a wifi ap |
| 23:35.36 | bmidgle1 | (re non-broadcast ssid) |
| 23:36.07 | GeneralAntilles | Connection manager: Menu -> Tools -> Connectivity settings...: Connections...: New . . . |
| 23:36.27 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, that might actually work nicely and probably abate most other problems |
| 23:36.31 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, that's sorta what we have now. |
| 23:36.58 | lcuk | no, we display a list |
| 23:37.05 | bmidgle1 | GeneralAntilles ah, thanks |
| 23:37.06 | lcuk | why cant it pop to previews |
| 23:37.17 | GeneralAntilles | Er, you mean Expose-like, then. |
| 23:37.30 | GeneralAntilles | Until we get OpenGL. . . . |
| 23:37.32 | lcuk | i dont know what the feature is |
| 23:37.41 | GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expos%C3%A9_%28Mac_OS_X%29 |
| 23:37.55 | lcuk | yes |
| 23:37.57 | lcuk | :) |
| 23:38.10 | lcuk | has a visual memory |
| 23:42.02 | crashanddie | "The average desk harbors 400 times more bacteria than a toilet seat" |
| 23:42.03 | crashanddie | Blimey ! |
| 23:42.37 | johnx | crashanddie, and the locus of that is the keyboard |
| 23:42.48 | johnx | keyboards are gross O_o |
| 23:42.56 | GeneralAntilles | Toilet seats are actually pretty clean. |
| 23:43.03 | GeneralAntilles | So it's a pretty meaningless metric. |
| 23:43.09 | crashanddie | yeah, agreed |
| 23:43.32 | GeneralAntilles | Things that hands touch frequently are usually pretty germ-infested. |
| 23:43.52 | crashanddie | I think the worst part of a house are the doorhandles |
| 23:43.52 | GeneralAntilles | Just look at it like a good way to keep your immune system in shape. ;) |
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| 23:43.58 | GeneralAntilles | You don't use it, you lose it. |
| 23:45.58 | crashanddie | heh |
| 23:46.19 | crashanddie | Richard hammond has a desk that reaches the levels of bacteria of used underwear :D |
| 23:46.29 | lcuk | if you think your desk is bad, consider how much you hold your nokia |
| 23:46.30 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 23:46.55 | GeneralAntilles | I used to work at a bookstore in a downtown area with lots of transients around. |
| 23:47.08 | GeneralAntilles | There was this old guy that worked there, had a beard down to the middle of his chest |
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| 23:47.18 | lcuk | richard stallman? |
| 23:47.21 | GeneralAntilles | looked a bit like a thin ZZ Top |
| 23:47.26 | GeneralAntilles | or a thin stallman. :D |
| 23:47.42 | GeneralAntilles | We called him "the Bum Whisperer" |
| 23:47.57 | GeneralAntilles | he could kick anybody out of the store and make them think they were leaving voluntarily |
| 23:48.13 | GeneralAntilles | Anyway, he would always shake these nasty transient's hands |
| 23:48.41 | GeneralAntilles | and I asked him how he could stand to do that one time, he said it was "to keep the immune system in shape" |
| 23:49.48 | crashanddie | makes sense |
| 23:49.55 | lcuk | also, when he went to kick others out and held out his stinking festering hand at them they would run a mile voluntarily ;) |
| 23:50.17 | crashanddie | I'm pretty sure our body would compare pretty poorly to say, the body of a regular joe 200 years ago |
| 23:50.27 | lcuk | he was loading up his poison arrows on the transients and using it as a weapon |
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| 23:50.50 | johnx | crashanddie, yeah, except for all those nice immunity shots we get as kids |
| 23:50.52 | lcuk | maybe, but nowadays i would be more patient |
| 23:51.06 | sinak_ | when i click on Show Installed application i get "no applications installed" |
| 23:51.11 | lcuk | chances are they would be gone by early 40s/50s? |
| 23:51.13 | sinak_ | what had happened? |
| 23:51.13 | crashanddie | johnx, I'm talking about basic "fierceness" of out body |
| 23:51.23 | GeneralAntilles | sinak_, try restarting? |
| 23:51.30 | sinak_ | i did it |
| 23:51.37 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, 200 years ago, yes. |
| 23:51.38 | sinak_ | didn't help |
| 23:51.47 | johnx | crashanddie, hmm...maybe? |
| 23:51.58 | GeneralAntilles | Hunter gatherer societies were definitely healthier than agrarian ones, though. |
| 23:51.59 | lcuk | sinak_, in the menu you can refresh the app list |
| 23:52.14 | GeneralAntilles | It's not in the menu in Diablo |
| 23:52.17 | johnx | sinak_, did you actually install anything new? or is this a clean diablo install? |
| 23:52.22 | lcuk | that should force everything to be rebuilt if its gone corrupt? |
| 23:52.29 | lcuk | o rly? |
| 23:52.32 | lcuk | how do you do it |
| 23:52.33 | GeneralAntilles | It's a button |
| 23:52.43 | sinak_ | is not clean install |
| 23:52.45 | lcuk | ahh, not removed, just moved |
| 23:52.55 | GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Application_manager_summary_mock-up.png |
| 23:53.01 | GeneralAntilles | Bottom right in that shot. |
| 23:53.09 | lcuk | i see |
| 23:53.16 | sinak_ | i tried refreshing the list from menu and i get: |
| 23:53.24 | crashanddie | johnx, I mean, overall, we take the car to get a piece of bread, we send an email to the office next door, we are staggered when there isn't a bus and we have to walk through 10 minutes of snow (that hardly touches the ground). Honestly, we're just less prepared. In some way, if we were to fall into a dark age, most of us would have a pretty shitty experience. Because we (our body) wouldn't know what's happening. |
| 23:53.29 | lcuk | ouroboros |
| 23:53.31 | crashanddie | [/rant] |
| 23:53.33 | crashanddie | back to coding |
| 23:53.47 | sinak_ | "unable to refresh application list. unable to access catalogues. Check network connection." |
| 23:54.08 | johnx | crashanddie, heh...not much of that applies to people who regularly deal with public transportation |
| 23:54.12 | lcuk | crashanddie, :) ditto |
| 23:54.14 | GeneralAntilles | faces-palms at the mouse-pointer in his mock-ups. |
| 23:54.30 | sinak_ | what sould i do? |
| 23:54.38 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, FAIL! (i've waited a while to say that ;)) |
| 23:54.47 | GeneralAntilles | Ehehe |
| 23:55.00 | sinak_ | the only app i installed lately was, minefield |
| 23:55.11 | lcuk | sinak_, perhaps you could check your network connection |
| 23:55.34 | lcuk | sinak_, look at the repository list and untick anything thats not default |
| 23:55.37 | sinak_ | i'm connected |
| 23:55.52 | sinak_ | i'll try the repository thing |
| 23:55.53 | lcuk | leave the normal nokia stuff, it is having trouble accessing a repo |
| 23:56.09 | lcuk | you have used .install files from websites to install software |
| 23:57.09 | lcuk | they generally add extra repositories which can sometimes be offline.. but those repositories offer versions of the software your system expects to be standard. (i hope im right here) |
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| 23:58.10 | sinak_ | the problem was the repositories :-) |
| 23:58.34 | sinak_ | i had add something that it didn't work |
| 23:58.58 | lcuk | now, put a comment on the website you got the game from and tell them to use the nokia extras repository |
| 23:59.46 | lcuk | its possibly a maemo.org one, but this kind of problem may occur for others, if all the software is inside the maemo extras catalog it will be better for all :D |
| 23:59.54 | sinak_ | it was a repo from minefield |
