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| 00:37.29 | Deka | So what is the method by which to back up everything, including changes to system |
| 00:37.51 | GeneralAntilles | tar |
| 00:37.52 | GeneralAntilles | rsync |
| 00:38.14 | Deka | And the same method by which to restore? |
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| 00:39.35 | Toba_ | restoring is another matter. |
| 00:39.41 | Toba_ | I think. |
| 00:39.43 | Toba_ | perhaps. |
| 00:44.23 | GeneralAntilles | untar |
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| 01:15.17 | summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: how do you untar to the internal flash? just over your current system? |
| 01:18.31 | GeneralAntilles | Just boot from something else then mount it and untar over it. |
| 01:18.41 | summatusmentis | fair enough |
| 01:18.54 | GeneralAntilles | Or just boot from a card |
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| 01:29.39 | lcuk | would the device be able to boot over the network? any idea what would be required to allow this |
| 01:30.42 | summatusmentis | hmm... maybe over a usb network... |
| 01:30.48 | GeneralAntilles | I'm sure you could set something up. |
| 01:31.00 | GeneralAntilles | Better to just boot the initfs for these purposes, though. |
| 01:31.24 | summatusmentis | will initfs allow access to the wireles card? |
| 01:31.46 | lcuk | yer, but im thinking something along the lines of insert emergency recovery mem stick |
| 01:32.16 | lcuk | something a normal user could download and prepare quite easily |
| 01:33.31 | summatusmentis | like a chroot? |
| 01:34.04 | lcuk | well that would generally need a running system to root into |
| 01:34.20 | summatusmentis | tru |
| 01:34.23 | summatusmentis | true* |
| 01:34.26 | lcuk | i suppose its just stick to what works: flash |
| 01:34.48 | summatusmentis | lol, there should be a better option... you know? |
| 01:34.58 | lcuk | lowest common demominator, it should cure all ills without a major incident report |
| 01:35.14 | GeneralAntilles | Flashing a tablet is a helluva lot faster than reinstalling the OS on my computer. |
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| 01:35.34 | summatusmentis | yeah, but generally you can repair the OS on your computer |
| 01:35.51 | lcuk | perhaps its just the location here (people coming in with problems) but even regular users have to reflash far too often |
| 01:36.26 | lcuk | and the most offending reason is "keeps restarting" |
| 01:36.52 | GeneralAntilles | Meh, you can fix your tablet, too. |
| 01:37.06 | GeneralAntilles | Part of it is the watchdogs are a little TOO vigilant. |
| 01:37.12 | lcuk | not really, there is essentially no "safe mode" startup |
| 01:37.25 | GeneralAntilles | Yes there is. |
| 01:37.30 | GeneralAntilles | Flash a real initfs |
| 01:37.38 | GeneralAntilles | Boom safemode |
| 01:38.15 | lcuk | can joe windows user (still 95% of population?) do that with the flasher? |
| 01:38.35 | GeneralAntilles | Meh, what would they do with a safemode anyway? |
| 01:38.43 | lcuk | backup their files |
| 01:38.43 | GeneralAntilles | Boot it up and fix the Matchbox config file they messed up? |
| 01:38.58 | lcuk | it gives a user a chance to not lose everything |
| 01:39.51 | lcuk | this machine is meant to be a replacement computer: ie one which CREATES data instead of just consuming it. i know ive got valuable data i would not want to lose stored on here |
| 01:40.44 | GeneralAntilles | It's not meant to be anything of the sort. ;) |
| 01:40.48 | GeneralAntilles | It's an internet tablet |
| 01:40.55 | newmaemouser | l am trying to fix the potential corruption issue on the n810 but can't seem to find the memory card in the file manager. I'm probably missing something simple, I know. |
| 01:40.56 | GeneralAntilles | it's meant to browse the web, IM and email |
| 01:41.36 | fysa | I have officially "switched." |
| 01:41.41 | GeneralAntilles | To? |
| 01:42.00 | fysa | Just bought my first real Mac.. 17" MBP |
| 01:42.06 | GeneralAntilles | Big'un |
| 01:43.06 | GeneralAntilles | fysa, download Quicksilver first: http://docs.blacktree.com/quicksilver/what_is_quicksilver |
| 01:43.52 | fysa | Quicksilver is pretty cool. I used it for a couple of months on my "Hackintosh." :P |
| 01:44.19 | GeneralAntilles | I can't use OS X without Quicksilver. |
| 01:44.27 | fysa | I think QS would make a nice handheld interface. |
| 01:46.15 | summatusmentis | - all the keyboard shortcuts |
| 01:46.22 | summatusmentis | I've never fully learned QS |
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| 01:46.47 | fysa | er, with a decent keyboard. ;) |
| 01:46.53 | fysa | autocomplete.. |
| 01:47.03 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 01:47.10 | fysa | and plug-ins. |
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| 01:47.16 | fysa | i.e, "send .. to .. flickr" |
| 01:47.21 | summatusmentis | that's true, I like the iTunes plug in |
| 01:47.49 | fysa | could be faster than launching apps/waiting for GUI/then typing |
| 01:47.52 | GeneralAntilles | You guys should check out Menuet for iTunes control. |
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| 01:49.42 | fysa | trying Linkinus.. seems nice so far. can aggregate channels and supports growl. |
| 01:49.50 | GeneralAntilles | Bleh |
| 01:49.54 | fysa | but $20 |
| 01:49.57 | GeneralAntilles | Linkinus isn't up to snuff yet |
| 01:50.01 | GeneralAntilles | Just go with Colloquy |
| 01:50.16 | fysa | I would end up with X-Chat Aqua if this doesn't fly.. :/ |
| 01:50.31 | summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: what does menuet do that QS iTnues doesn't? |
| 01:50.50 | GeneralAntilles | Menuet does the growl notifications, and playback control |
| 01:50.57 | GeneralAntilles | QS does the library searching |
| 01:51.21 | summatusmentis | QS has a plugin that'll do play back control, and growl notifications(I think) |
| 01:51.42 | GeneralAntilles | QS didn't work for me for some reason |
| 01:51.47 | GeneralAntilles | So I bought Menuet |
| 01:51.50 | GeneralAntilles | so meh :D |
| 01:56.13 | timelyx | shrugs |
| 01:56.19 | timelyx | i only use ~4 apps on my mac |
| 01:56.22 | timelyx | i don't need quicksilver |
| 01:56.45 | GeneralAntilles | You don't make very good use of your computer. :P |
| 01:56.48 | summatusmentis | My mac is my only computer, so I use it all the time |
| 01:57.17 | timelyx | it runs firefox, camino, snak, safari, and xterm |
| 01:57.22 | timelyx | is there more to a computer? |
| 01:57.27 | timelyx | ok, that's 5 things |
| 01:57.39 | GeneralAntilles | 3 of them browsers? |
| 01:57.54 | GeneralAntilles | s/?/./ |
| 01:57.59 | timelyx | yeah well... |
| 01:58.04 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 01:58.45 | timelyx | goes back to burying articles |
| 01:58.55 | GeneralAntilles | Spite! Spite! Spite! |
| 01:59.23 | timelyx | grumbles |
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| 01:59.32 | timelyx | if i accidentally click on a heart, it's such a pain to bury |
| 01:59.33 | GeneralAntilles | Seeing the single hate on the logo contest announcement the other day made me lol. |
| 01:59.43 | timelyx | heh |
| 01:59.47 | timelyx | can you find out who did that? |
| 02:00.03 | GeneralAntilles | If you check the logs here |
| 02:00.24 | timelyx | which server is it? |
| 02:01.02 | timelyx | has an account on maemo-midgard |
| 02:01.45 | GeneralAntilles | Interesting |
| 02:01.55 | GeneralAntilles | The "hate" disappeared. |
| 02:01.56 | GeneralAntilles | https://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/maemo-org_logo_competition_is_open.html |
| 02:03.40 | timelyx | i get points for thumbing articles, so why shouldn't i? :) |
| 02:04.04 | timelyx | i see 4/1 for maemo logo |
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| 02:05.10 | GeneralAntilles | It's 5/0 here. . . . :\ |
| 02:07.18 | timelyx | oh darn |
| 02:07.22 | timelyx | i need to make a new icon |
| 02:07.29 | timelyx | swift has a logo from the old group |
| 02:07.42 | timelyx | i'll probably use the Ma emo icon i posted |
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| 02:08.51 | timelyx | ok |
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| 02:50.35 | GAN800 | Ugh, I think itT may finally have reached the end of its usefulness. |
| 02:51.02 | summatusmentis | lol |
| 02:51.09 | summatusmentis | maybe you should just be more tolerant :) |
| 02:51.22 | GAN800 | It's just be total shit for the past few weeks. |
| 02:51.44 | GAN800 | points the wife beater finger at summatusmentis |
| 02:51.55 | acydlord | i've noticed it's become a pool of people who dont know how to google lately |
| 02:52.13 | GAN800 | Yeah, it's gotten particularly bad. |
| 02:52.43 | acydlord | or assinine requests like the one you linked earlier |
| 02:54.12 | summatusmentis | GAN800: do you use the iphone browser agent? |
| 02:54.41 | GAN800 | I did for a while, but got tired of reduced-functionality browsing. |
| 02:55.06 | GAN800 | I might if it weren't an all-or-nothing proposition. |
| 02:55.29 | GAN800 | I'd like to use iPhone for google search, but not for some other stuff. |
| 02:55.54 | acydlord | i use the brightkite and weather underground iphone pages |
| 02:56.02 | acydlord | but those dont require the browser agent |
| 02:56.45 | summatusmentis | gmail is sort of hard to use on the normal user-agent, as is facebook |
| 02:56.58 | GAN800 | lol facebook |
| 02:57.02 | summatusmentis | that's the only reason I ask. That's probably more due to slow network connection at my house |
| 02:57.18 | GAN800 | That got lame when they let my sister get an account. :P |
| 02:57.19 | acydlord | lol gmail as well |
| 02:57.26 | summatusmentis | <3 gmail |
| 02:57.27 | GAN800 | Modest for gmail |
| 02:57.34 | acydlord | yeah, modest is for mail |
| 02:57.49 | acydlord | facebook ruined ut when they released an api |
| 02:57.56 | summatusmentis | is modest usable? the chinook mail client I tried failed hard at large inboxes |
| 02:58.08 | GAN800 | That's osso-email |
| 02:58.19 | acydlord | the only reason i used facebook was because it didnt have all the clutter and seizure inducing features that myspace has |
| 02:58.19 | GAN800 | acydlord, that too. |
| 02:58.36 | GAN800 | and now it does! |
| 02:58.45 | acydlord | and now i just downright hate the fact of those style of social networking sites |
| 02:58.51 | GAN800 | I just wish I could delete my account. |
| 02:58.52 | summatusmentis | GAN800: modest doesn't fail w/ large inboxes? |
| 02:58.55 | acydlord | they are useless for anything other than friendwhoring |
| 02:58.59 | summatusmentis | you can, on facebook |
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| 02:59.09 | acydlord | modest loaded my spam box |
| 02:59.13 | acydlord | which was about 600 items |
| 02:59.13 | GAN800 | Depends on how large, but it's a lot better than osso-email |
| 02:59.28 | summatusmentis | acydlord: I disagree. Useful for people who try to keep in contact w/ people all over the country |
| 02:59.36 | GAN800 | It did fine with my 4000-message gmail account |
| 02:59.41 | acydlord | i keep contact with people all over the country |
| 03:00.07 | acydlord | we kept contact with people all over the country just fine before social networking, back when people had their own web pages |
| 03:00.14 | summatusmentis | acydlord: ok, well, useful if those people check their facebook more than their email :) |
| 03:00.21 | acydlord | ya know, when the people using the internet actually knew how to use the internet |
| 03:01.02 | summatusmentis | yeah yeah, kids these days :) |
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| 03:04.47 | GAN800 | Somebody remind me the irc url format, I don't feel like googling. :p |
| 03:05.35 | acydlord | lol |
| 03:05.41 | acydlord | irc:/server/channel |
| 03:06.30 | GAN800 | Right, thanks. |
| 03:06.35 | acydlord | welcome |
| 03:06.49 | GAN800 | is trying to kick-start the agenda for the next maemo-meeting. |
| 03:07.23 | acydlord | fun times |
| 03:09.07 | GAN800 | Ugh, cable's out back home again . . . no Adult Swim for me. :( |
| 03:09.22 | acydlord | my cables ben out for about a month and a half |
| 03:09.27 | GAN800 | using my N800 like my computer just makes me giddy. |
| 03:09.44 | acydlord | cable company decided to charge me for a fee that was waived about 7 years ago |
| 03:09.59 | GAN800 | You boycotting the bill? :P |
| 03:10.05 | GAN800 | Oh |
| 03:10.08 | GAN800 | ouch |
| 03:10.10 | acydlord | and now they are charging me $250 a pop for my digital recievers even though my account is still active |
| 03:10.19 | GAN800 | Good gos |
| 03:10.40 | acydlord | yeah, the charges were waived because they let someone move my phone service i had through them and the person racked up a large long dist bill |
| 03:10.56 | GAN800 | Build yourself a catapult, fill the cable boxes with gas and lob them at their hq. :p |
| 03:11.04 | acydlord | lol |
| 03:11.24 | acydlord | i should put some thermite in them and wire it to the transformers so when they plug them in they'll melt |
| 03:11.32 | GAN800 | Ha |
| 03:11.58 | GAN800 | What company? |
| 03:13.37 | acydlord | cox communications |
| 03:14.07 | acydlord | and unfortunately they have quite the monopoly on appartment complex networking out here |
| 03:15.00 | acydlord | as soon as wimax is out here, if it isnt horribly cripled like sprint's evdo now is i'll probably just use it |
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| 03:15.29 | summatusmentis | sprint's evdo is horribly crippled? |
| 03:15.46 | summatusmentis | johnx: hi hi |
| 03:15.50 | johnx | hi |
| 03:15.57 | acydlord | they just slapped us with a 5gb a month cap |
| 03:16.18 | acydlord | and for people actually using their aircard and DUN plans thats pretty crummy |
| 03:16.35 | summatusmentis | only for the aircard and PAM plans, right? |
| 03:16.40 | acydlord | yeah |
| 03:16.57 | acydlord | i think they should have applied it to all the stupid phone as everything but a phone things |
| 03:17.02 | summatusmentis | is probably going sprint SERO w/ pdanet |
| 03:17.21 | GAN800 | Woo, johnx. |
| 03:17.33 | johnx | hi GAN800 :D |
| 03:17.36 | acydlord | i havent checked yet to see if it applies to the sero accounts |
| 03:17.49 | summatusmentis | according to forums, it shouldn't apply to power vision |
| 03:17.53 | acydlord | but last i heard they were just switching all the sero account to the "unlimited everything" plan |
| 03:18.00 | summatusmentis | really? |
| 03:18.02 | acydlord | yeah |
| 03:18.19 | summatusmentis | where'd you hear that? |
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| 03:18.35 | acydlord | from the girl at the sprint store over here |
| 03:19.03 | summatusmentis | oh... so I should jump then... "unlimited everything" plan == unlimited minutes? |
| 03:20.13 | summatusmentis | I should decide either tomorrow or the next day, leaving town |
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| 03:26.21 | johnx | so, GAN800, did I miss anything important the last couple days? |
| 03:27.31 | summatusmentis | :) |
| 03:27.49 | johnx | :P |
| 03:29.22 | acydlord | yeah, unlimited minutes and everything included in the power vision plan |
| 03:29.56 | summatusmentis | acydlord: awesome... that'd be cool |
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| 03:30.15 | acydlord | i may switch to that since i can get an app for my centro that will use the power vision data for a dun connection |
| 03:30.28 | summatusmentis | that's what I think I'm gona do |
| 03:30.29 | acydlord | so i wouldnt have to worry about the PaM limits |
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| 03:30.54 | summatusmentis | gonna* |
| 03:30.54 | dmz | anyone here use canola2 and know how to create playlists for it? |
| 03:31.09 | acydlord | audio or video? |
| 03:31.43 | acydlord | cause canola just pulls my m3u lists from my music directory |
| 03:33.53 | dmz | audio |
| 03:34.11 | dmz | it does? so basically have a playlist named m3u w/lists of what's in there & it should work? |
| 03:34.36 | acydlord | yeah, should |
| 03:35.13 | dmz | and in the file is just one line for fullpath/filename right? |
| 03:36.15 | acydlord | yup |
| 03:36.46 | dmz | ok i'll give it a try |
| 03:36.46 | dmz | thanks |
| 03:38.09 | acydlord | welcome |
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| 03:57.11 | RST38h | yawn |
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| 03:58.34 | RST38h | We no longer accept the term thermobaric [for the AGM-114N] as there is no internationally agreed definition, said an MoD spokesman. We call it an enhanced blast weapon. |
| 03:58.43 | RST38h | (The redefinition has allowed British forces to use the weapons legally) |
| 03:59.31 | derf | This is not really the place for politics. |
| 03:59.47 | RST38h | derf: It's not politics, it's dailyrotten.com =) |
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| 04:39.33 | GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo-meeting |
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| 04:45.52 | RST38h | GA: When is the next one? |
| 04:46.32 | RST38h | Oh, there is a timeframe vaguely mentioned |
| 04:47.11 | GeneralAntilles | Well, we don't have an agenda and we haven't talked to Quim. |
| 04:47.31 | GeneralAntilles | It's entirely dependent on getting an agenda together then talking to Quim. |
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| 04:53.29 | RST38h | aha |
| 04:57.34 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, if you've got some topic and agenda ideas, please add them. :D |
| 05:01.59 | RST38h | GA: I am afraid there isn't much I would like to ask Quim about |
| 05:02.40 | RST38h | Most of my questions have been answered during the last meeting and in the following discussion / bugzilla comments / etc. |
| 05:04.33 | RST38h | GA: Btw, the meanwhile guy has got into a comic: http://www.marriedtothesea.com/051508/survival-of-the-spitefullest.gif |
| 05:05.00 | GeneralAntilles | Ahaha |
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| 06:26.51 | kylec | hi everyone... is maemo.org having any connectivity problems right now? |
| 06:27.19 | GeneralAntilles | WORKSFORME |
| 06:27.27 | GeneralAntilles | It's not really known for its reliability, though. |
| 06:28.03 | kylec | hmm... it could be something with my cellular provider. i don't have access to real internet right now |
| 06:28.20 | kylec | but i've been having trouble installing anything out of maemo extras |
| 06:29.09 | kylec | i'm getting 2-3% packet loss and several second latencies- could that cause problems with application manager you think? |
| 06:29.24 | GeneralAntilles | Seems like a possibility. ;) |
| 06:29.34 | GeneralAntilles | Extras is working fine here. |
| 06:29.51 | qwerty12 | Application Manager isn't known for it's reliablity in the first place and adding a dodgy connection to the mix isn't going to help. |
| 06:30.08 | GeneralAntilles | Meh, this isn't one of its reliability issues. |
| 06:31.01 | qwerty12 | True |
| 06:32.10 | kylec | ok, i'm going to see if i can share internet from my laptop to my n810 so i can debug while i'm online here |
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| 06:34.16 | AStorm | heh |
| 06:34.33 | AStorm | ok, now, who has built an n810 kernel with working dvfs? |
| 06:34.46 | AStorm | that, and possibly w/o some devious tsc2005 bug |
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| 06:58.08 | Stskeeps | anyone has a opinion on google web toolkit-based web applications on the n800 browser (os2008)? |
| 06:59.43 | kylec | does it not try dhcp when connecting to an ad-hoc network? |
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| 06:59.51 | kylec | i would set up the connection manually, but i can't become root :) |
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| 07:02.26 | kylec | ah, i just found advanced connection settings |
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| 07:15.27 | kylec | ok, now i'm just curious why this part isn't working... anyone ever gotten an ad-hoc network working? |
| 07:15.39 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, lots of peopel. |
| 07:15.43 | GeneralAntilles | s/peopel/people/ |
| 07:15.55 | kylec | i set the ip, router and dns manually, it says it's connected to the network i created... |
| 07:16.07 | keesj | hi |
| 07:16.10 | kylec | but afterwards i don't even see the dns settings in /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 07:16.35 | GeneralAntilles | Hey, keesj. |
| 07:16.51 | kylec | i can't ping the ip from my laptop |
| 07:17.26 | kylec | and when i tried to use a dhcp server on the laptop, i didn't see any dhcp requests while connecting |
| 07:17.48 | kylec | argh, iwconfig would help |
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| 07:25.27 | kylec | oh weird... the ad-hoc network i set on the laptop shows up in the connection list, but as a WEP network?? |
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| 07:28.14 | kylec | alright, none of this makes any sense so i'm going to just blame it on my crap laptop |
| 07:28.17 | kylec | be back shortly |
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| 07:55.34 | hrw | morning |
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| 07:57.00 | hrw | does someone with Diablo is able to use OMWeather? |
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| 08:15.18 | rm_you | johnx: I misses j00 >_> |
| 08:15.20 | rm_you | lol |
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| 08:25.27 | acydlord | Yay, nokia bought plazes.com |
| 08:25.41 | acydlord | just had to pop in here to say that cause it made me happy when i heard. |
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| 08:36.26 | timeless | why did that make you happy? |
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| 08:39.41 | kylec | hi |
| 08:40.02 | kylec | figured out my issue... I didn't realize that application manager stores files to the internal memory card |
| 08:40.10 | kylec | my vfat filesystem on there was corrupted |
| 08:40.33 | timeless | did application manager's log window tell you that? :) |
| 08:40.45 | kylec | yeah :) |
| 08:41.03 | kylec | i even knew about the corruption, which made me feel extra stupid |
| 08:41.16 | kylec | but previously it was limited to files in one directory |
| 08:41.30 | kylec | i just had to reformat using the usb cable |
| 08:42.10 | kylec | a tricky one though, cause even flashing the device doesn't fix it |
| 08:42.22 | timeless | um |
| 08:42.31 | timeless | last i checked file manager was supposed to let you reformat mmcs |
| 08:42.34 | timeless | at least in diablo |
| 08:42.41 | timeless | what are you running? |
| 08:43.09 | kylec | chinook i think? what's diablo? |
| 08:43.41 | kylec | oh yeah, you can do that from file manager |
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| 08:50.03 | kylec | oops, my cell phone booted me |
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| 08:53.27 | hrw | timeless: is testserver in diablo initfs required to boot? |
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| 09:00.21 | hrw | ok - got answer from other source. it can |
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| 09:00.39 | johnx | hrw, can be removed? |
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| 09:01.29 | hrw | johnx: can |
| 09:01.42 | hrw | 600K freed |
| 09:01.50 | johnx | nice |
| 09:02.06 | ranit | hi, do we have openGL support for maemo . .. i am using qt4 but cann't find support for openGL i.e libqt4-opengl |
| 09:02.16 | johnx | ranit, nope |
| 09:02.20 | hrw | ranit: only mesa (software) |
| 09:02.27 | ranit | oh no |
| 09:02.34 | johnx | you could compile mesa I guess...but it would be real slo |
| 09:02.37 | johnx | w |
| 09:02.42 | hrw | johnx: but even with initfs stripped and diablo kernel it does not boot. |
| 09:03.22 | johnx | hrw, qwerty12 hacked up a diablo initfs to make it boot |
| 09:03.49 | hrw | will have to wait for him |
| 09:03.53 | johnx | IIRC, he didn't see an advantage except being able to use some of the Nokia testing tools |
| 09:04.18 | hrw | johnx: with chinook kernel/initfs and diablo rootfs I do not get charging |
| 09:04.28 | johnx | ah, I do |
| 09:04.52 | johnx | for charging it doesn't seem to matter what rootfs you use |
| 09:05.04 | johnx | it stills charges when I use debian as a rootfs... |
| 09:07.30 | kylec | wondering if there are any docs around on how to go about testing diablo? |
| 09:08.05 | johnx | kylec, anyone outside Nokia who has "diablo" doesn't have it through official channels |
| 09:08.30 | kylec | oh, i see |
| 09:09.14 | kylec | i just saw the "4.1" directory in one of the repos and figured |
| 09:09.32 | kylec | looking forward to it! |
| 09:09.41 | johnx | I think we all are :) |
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| 09:32.42 | florian | good morning |
| 09:33.27 | johnx | mornin' :) |
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| 09:41.37 | rm_you | night |
| 09:42.20 | johnx | 'night rm_you :D |
| 09:45.03 | lardman | ranit: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/PanasonicFZ50/page17.asp |
| 09:45.11 | lardman | oops, damn copy & paste |
| 09:45.20 | lardman | http://unrealvoodoo.org/hiteck/blog/graphics/opengl-es-for-maemo/ |
| 09:47.58 | johnx | wow...that rebel xt sure holds up well at ISO 1600 O_o |
| 09:48.38 | ranit | great lardman, thanx |
| 09:49.18 | lardman | ~lart FF for either not copying, or not pasting |
| 09:49.18 | infobot | plops FF into a giant vat of herring for either not copying, or not pasting |
| 09:49.54 | lardman | actually that may be a WinXP fault |
| 09:50.02 | lardman | ~lart WinXP for exsiting |
| 09:50.02 | infobot | calls WinXP on the phone ... the lights are on but nobody's home for exsiting |
| 09:50.21 | johnx | ah...here I was about to blame interactions between the X11 cut buffer and application clipboard :P |
| 09:50.57 | lardman | I was wondering about a bridge camera rather than an SLR, hence the random link inserted :) |
| 09:51.47 | lardman | johnx: I must admit I'm not fond of Gnome's requirement for something to remain highlighted to be able to copy it (e.g. in gedit) |
| 09:51.54 | lardman | but perhaps there's some setting I can change |
| 09:52.05 | johnx | lardman, use ctrl+c, ctrl+v instead |
| 09:52.10 | johnx | that should solve that |
| 09:52.27 | lardman | I quite like the highlight copying though! :) |
| 09:52.33 | johnx | heh |
| 09:52.36 | johnx | choose one :P |
| 09:54.13 | lardman | I shouldn't really have to though, should I? |
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| 09:55.02 | johnx | well, with ctrl+c/v you can un-hilight the text, but the X11 cut buffer is always the same as the hilighted text |
| 09:55.43 | lardman | but the cut buffer is cleared if I unhighlight the text |
| 09:55.49 | johnx | that's what I mean |
| 09:55.58 | johnx | it's *supposed* to do that, AFAIK |
| 09:56.08 | johnx | no hilighted text = no cut buffer |
| 09:56.12 | lardman | I seem to remember it would keep that previously highlighted text until I highlighted something else |
| 09:56.42 | johnx | aaah...so you mean something changed? |
| 09:56.49 | johnx | that is different then |
| 09:57.03 | lardman | or perhaps the problem with gedit is that it doesn't insert at the mouse pointer pos'n but rather at the cursor pos'n (i.e. it inserts over the highlighted text) |
| 09:57.20 | johnx | O_o |
| 09:57.29 | lardman | johnx: I think so, but can't really remember as it just used to work |
| 09:57.55 | lardman | but certainly the not-inserting-at-mouse-pointer-pos'n problem happens in gedit for me |
| 09:58.18 | johnx | hmm...I really have no idea what's up |
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| 10:03.06 | lardman | no worries, I was just getting it off my chest :) |
| 10:16.15 | L0cutus | hello |
| 10:16.20 | johnx | hi |
| 10:16.50 | L0cutus | is ok to go to http://www.gronmayer.com/it/, check all the repository and add all to n800 ? |
| 10:16.57 | L0cutus | or is the bad way ? ;) |
| 10:17.04 | johnx | probably not the best way |
| 10:17.17 | johnx | better to add repositories as you need them |
| 10:17.26 | L0cutus | hum |
| 10:17.39 | johnx | also, make sure they're for the right version of your OS |
| 10:17.59 | L0cutus | yes OS2008 |
| 10:18.28 | johnx | yeah, but some of the repos in the OS2008/chinook list are for OS2007/bora |
| 10:18.35 | johnx | thus, why it's not a good idea to add them |
| 10:18.54 | L0cutus | ha ok |
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| 10:24.18 | L0cutus | Temp fix for broken Chinook |
| 10:24.18 | L0cutus | must be added ? |
| 10:24.35 | Stskeeps | 'lo johnx |
| 10:24.36 | johnx | don't add |
| 10:24.40 | johnx | Stskeeps, hi |
| 10:24.47 | johnx | sorry I've been gone the last couple days O_o |
| 10:25.00 | Stskeeps | johnx: hehe, it's fine, been reading for exam and playing with debian :) |
| 10:25.08 | johnx | good deal |
| 10:25.36 | johnx | I've been lying in bed with a fever, then dragging myself to work and dropping right into bed when I got back |
| 10:25.40 | johnx | better now though :) |
| 10:26.45 | hrw | is there a plan to switch to autoconf 2.60+ for maemo? |
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| 10:41.01 | hrw | on my n810 with diablo battery applet does not display even - it only react at press - anyone got it? |
| 10:43.26 | macoute | hrw: i think its a known bug on n810 |
| 10:43.32 | macoute | mine applet doesnt work either |
| 10:44.05 | hrw | macoute: and no charging at all too? |
| 10:44.12 | macoute | however, it gets the battery meter right after reboots |
| 10:44.23 | hrw | btw - someone who admin itt is here? |
| 10:44.26 | macoute | hrw: it does charge, but it seems it doesnt |
| 10:44.44 | macoute | so the meter doesnt animate while charging |
| 10:45.29 | hrw | macoute: here applet render as empty space |
| 10:46.28 | macoute | hrw: oh? on my side it shows the situation of battery when booted, so if i fully charge and then boot my nit, its going to show fuilly charged until the battery dies |
| 10:47.12 | hrw | here all it say (on charger or not) is 'battery low' |
| 10:47.19 | hrw | when I press empty space |
| 10:47.28 | hrw | would have to report it a bit later |
| 10:49.38 | macoute | hrw: is there /proc/acpi/bat0/info or something like it available? |
| 10:49.47 | macoute | so you could check the state of the battery |
| 10:49.55 | johnx | macoute, nope |
| 10:50.08 | macoute | johnx: then how to check the battery? |
| 10:50.25 | johnx | directly from the retu adc |
| 10:50.25 | hrw | macoute: its not x86 to have acpi |
| 10:50.35 | johnx | macoute, look up kcbatt |
| 10:50.45 | lardman | hrw: I had battery issues when I flashed the diablo kernel |
| 10:50.56 | lardman | hrw: Are you sure the Chinook kernel has flashed ok? |
| 10:51.16 | macoute | hrw: yah, but something like it |
| 10:52.43 | hrw | Flashing kernel... done. |
| 10:53.59 | hrw | lardman: Linux (none) 2.6.21-omap1 #2 Fri Dec 7 11:17:13 EET 2007 armv6l unknown |
| 10:55.05 | lardman | fair enough |
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| 11:29.58 | hrw | hm.. another missing library ;( |
| 11:30.06 | hrw | ~curse osso-ic-dev |
| 11:30.06 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, osso-ic-dev ! |
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| 11:32.05 | lardman | what does it do? |
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| 11:33.14 | hrw | lack source |
| 11:33.34 | hrw | libconic require osso-ic-dev but repo lack it.. |
| 11:33.38 | hrw | last version is from bora |
| 11:33.55 | lardman | probably just an oversight then |
| 11:35.27 | hrw | ~shoot that one who configured sorting on repository.maemo.org too |
| 11:35.28 | infobot | ACTION shoots that one who configured sorting on repository.maemo.org too in the ear with a cork gun! |
| 11:36.02 | johnx | heh...who doesn't like sort-by-size? |
| 11:36.15 | hrw | especially in dir with only dirs? |
| 11:36.15 | johnx | seriously though, it's going to be fixed... |
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| 11:37.13 | hrw | johnx: I know |
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| 11:38.26 | Xamusk | so, what is used by default nowadays? scratchbox1 or 2? |
| 11:38.43 | hrw | OE? Poky? |
| 11:38.57 | johnx | by default, scratchbox1 |
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| 11:39.07 | johnx | but you're free to choose, of course |
| 11:39.14 | Xamusk | I intend to use esbox plugin for eclipse |
| 11:40.13 | lcuk | wonders if the world exploded or was it just freenode servers entering orbit? |
| 11:41.22 | Xamusk | I wish I could just apt-get it |
| 11:41.26 | hrw | wants mirrors for repository.maemo.org.... |
| 11:42.29 | crashanddie | Xamusk, then why don't you ? |
| 11:42.56 | Xamusk | crashanddie, I'm still looking for scratchbox1 repos... ubuntu only has scratchbox2 |
| 11:43.11 | Xamusk | I guess in some minutes I'll just use scratchbox2 anyway |
| 11:43.14 | crashanddie | Xamusk, or just get an eclipse package, and update from there ? |
| 11:43.52 | Xamusk | crashanddie, how? I already do have eclipse installed (I already use pydev), but not esbox |
| 11:44.20 | crashanddie | Xamusk, get the repo where esbox is hosted, add it, and you should be able to install it from there |
| 11:44.42 | Xamusk | crashanddie, you mean for eclipse or for apt? |
| 11:44.50 | crashanddie | Xamusk, eclipse |
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| 11:48.58 | jjo | Xamusk: something wrong with the scratchbox.org repos? |
| 11:49.42 | Xamusk | jjo, for apt or eclipse? I'm still installing the eclipse plugin |
| 11:49.47 | Xamusk | for esbox |
| 11:50.01 | jjo | oh sorry |
| 11:51.24 | Jaffa | thinks http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Maemo.org_logo_contest_jussi_-007-.png is his new favourite |
| 11:52.06 | lcuk | jaffa, simple and effective :) hows your 1st day back going |
| 11:52.18 | jaska | mämo |
| 11:52.56 | X-Fade | I really dislike all the ae that are attached. As that is not the url at all :) |
| 11:54.26 | lcuk | x-fade what about the maem oo rg one (the one with glasses) ;) |
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| 11:56.47 | Jaffa | lcuk: quieter than I was expecting, it seems I'm not indispensable :) |
| 11:56.58 | AStorm | Jaffa: blah, weak |
| 11:57.02 | AStorm | and needs AA |
| 11:58.00 | hrw | I have to admit that I did not thought that in 2008 I will have to edit code to make it build with gcc4 |
| 11:58.33 | Jaffa | AStorm: it's a nice evolution of the moebius strip concept. |
| 11:58.58 | AStorm | Jaffa: hehe, as if anyone links maemo with moebius or anything |
| 11:59.12 | Xamusk | is there any way to make an esbox project that allows me to use both python and C++ debuggers? |
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| 12:04.18 | Xamusk | in the new projects dialog it seems to target python-only and C++-only projects |
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| 12:04.19 | Jaffa | AStorm: indeed, but other than the butterfly none of the others grab me. |
| 12:04.19 | RST38h | hrw: What broke it, specifically? |
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| 13:04.42 | Xamusk | why on hell does maemo need texlive, fontforge, etc? |
| 13:05.23 | Xamusk | when installing etch |
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| 13:21.02 | pupnik810 | hello |
| 13:21.41 | macoute_ | hello |
| 13:23.05 | pupnik810 | well my n810 survived a 3 foot drop onto concrete |
| 13:23.38 | pupnik810 | no dents -- hit the edge with the metal stand |
| 13:24.12 | pupnik810 | kudos nokia |
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| 13:25.38 | pupnik810 | it's a truly sickening sound |
| 13:26.50 | jaska | ow |
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| 13:45.28 | sinak | hello. How can I see the root folder of N800, on my pc? |
| 13:46.41 | lardman | sftp |
| 13:46.54 | lardman | after installing the openssh packages |
| 13:47.16 | summatusmentis | or sshfs |
| 13:47.33 | summatusmentis | w/ the same requirement + FUSE on your pc |
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| 13:50.35 | sinak | ok thank u :-) |
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| 14:10.31 | pupnik810 | freenode reliable as ever |
| 14:10.31 | pupnik810 | wheres solmumaha |
| 14:10.32 | pupnik810 | wheres lcuk |
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| 14:21.17 | pupnik810 | nicely dead here |
| 14:22.12 | zuh | Someone did killall #maemo? |
| 14:22.44 | johnx | netsplits kinda kill the mood |
| 14:24.09 | pupnik810 | hey johnx seen solmumaha, lcuk or kotczarny? |
| 14:24.11 | summatusmentis | not my mood |
| 14:24.28 | johnx | pupnik810, not in the last couple hours |
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| 14:28.11 | pupnik810 | ok ty |
| 14:34.54 | Xamusk | damn |
| 14:35.00 | lardman | he's back |
| 14:35.09 | Xamusk | it appears esbox doesn't like scratchbox2 |
| 14:36.34 | Xamusk | is there any workaround? |
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| 14:42.06 | sinak | I want to add to mplayer/config this "subcp=ISO-8859-7". Is it correct? |
| 14:42.33 | Xamusk | brb |
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| 14:44.29 | lardman | sinak: Does it work? |
| 14:44.43 | sinak | i didn't try it :-p |
| 14:44.55 | sinak | ok i'll try it |
| 14:45.43 | X-Fade | Oh no.. He's back! |
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| 14:46.28 | sjgadsby | Forever isn't as long as it once was, but at least the return is in plain text. |
| 14:47.16 | X-Fade | Yeah, so the bot theory is out of the window ;) |
| 14:47.24 | zap | anybody got sbox2 running on anything else than debian-like systems? |
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| 14:53.14 | lardman | X-Fade: perhaps someone tweaked the bot code? |
| 14:53.24 | X-Fade | lardman: AI ? :) |
| 14:53.40 | lardman | Nah, that would surely learn?! |
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| 14:56.56 | lardman | Is there an OpenMax mailing list anywhere? All I can see is a "technical" forum, with a few questions and not many answers |
| 15:00.32 | johnx | lardman, Is this the "openMAX" that's related to gstreamer? |
| 15:01.02 | lardman | johnx: yep |
| 15:02.02 | johnx | there is a gstreamer-openmax list but it looks kinda...empty |
| 15:02.13 | trickie|work | wow darius is back, and he is either sober... or tried to make a sentence that make sense... |
| 15:02.28 | derf | I'd try asking in #gstreamer |
| 15:03.00 | johnx | trickie|work, he does from time to time, just to keep us off balance |
| 15:03.11 | trickie|work | :) |
| 15:04.21 | johnx | looks more at the openmax stuff...wonders if the tablet is already using this code or not... |
| 15:05.06 | lardman | derf: ok, thanks |
| 15:05.29 | Robot101 | johnx: not atm, the tablets use OMAP2-specific libdspgateway stuff |
| 15:06.03 | johnx | I just hit arm.com where they claim to have an openmax compatible h264 codec...that seems interesting |
| 15:06.21 | johnx | also, aac |
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| 15:07.18 | lardman | Robot101: I thought the openMAX stuff was above the implementation level, something between it and gstreamer |
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| 15:07.24 | Jaffa | For frack's sake, Darius is back. |
| 15:07.43 | Jaffa | reads scrollback. |
| 15:08.02 | Robot101 | lardman: right, but it's not being used atm, the dsp*{src,sink} elements use the DSP directly |
| 15:08.12 | lardman | Jaffa: too much BSG? |
| 15:08.17 | hrw | re |
| 15:08.27 | lardman | Robot101: yep |
| 15:08.51 | lardman | Robot101: I was looking to see if anyone Nokia related was popping up; I'd like to see seperate sinks and encoders |
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| 15:10.04 | lardman | hrw: found the cause of your battery woes yet? |
| 15:10.57 | hrw | lardman: did not had time for it |
| 15:11.00 | johnx | I guess I'm confused then...are these openmax optimized libraries something that could just be dropped in or would things need to be rewritten to take advantage of them? |
| 15:11.21 | X-Fade | lardman: Maybe you can ping Felipe Contreras? |
| 15:12.08 | hrw | johnx: some arm cpus have h264 in hardware |
| 15:13.37 | lardman | hrw: Some omaps have h264 with hw assist; oh yeah, no IVA driver ;) |
| 15:13.48 | johnx | hrw, and I'm happy for them. :) |
| 15:14.01 | hrw | lardman: ST Nomadik cpus also have some audio/video encode/decode in hardware |
| 15:14.04 | johnx | but the openmax stuff seems to be just ARM11 assembly |
| 15:14.43 | lardman | johnx: it could equally be hw assist wrapped in the correct api, and likewise DSP stuff in the correct api |
| 15:14.50 | keesj | + neon coprocessor apparently |
| 15:15.21 | lardman | omap3530...? |
| 15:16.33 | lardman | X-Fade: ah, he works for Nokia |
| 15:16.40 | hrw | keesj: neon is not armv7 (cortex cores)? |
| 15:17.32 | lardman | http://embeddedlinuxconference.com/elc2008/elc2008_004.htm#contreras |
| 15:17.34 | X-Fade | lardman: Yes, and he seems to be releasing some versions. So... |
| 15:17.38 | johnx | lardman, mainly I'm interested in how much effort it would be to use the optimized openmax stuff here: http://www.arm.com/products/esd/openmax_home.html |
| 15:17.40 | johnx | on our tablets |
| 15:17.58 | lardman | X-Fade: I'll do some looking at what he's doing before bothering him, but thanks for the pointer |
| 15:18.02 | X-Fade | lardman: At least that is what I see on the gst-openmax list. |
| 15:18.51 | keesj | alright neon would only be a target for the OpenMAX stuff |
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| 15:24.00 | lardman | http://www.khronos.org/openmax/whitepapers/OpenMAX_IL_with_GSstreamer.pdf for an overview of GStreamer & OpenMAX |
| 15:24.20 | zuh | johnx: note that DL is only providing tools to write codecs, not the codecs themselves... So you'd have to implement an IL component that uses the DL layer to take advantage of it in applications. So it really would be quite a bit of work (which I'd very much want to see someone doing). |
| 15:24.50 | johnx | zuh, ah, ok. now I get it |
| 15:24.54 | zuh | Of course if there's a codec that already uses DL, that's another story. |
| 15:25.22 | zuh | But for example the bellagio IL components do not AFAIK. |
| 15:25.33 | zuh | (though I've never looked at them in detail) |
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| 15:27.31 | Jaffa | lbt: harsh msg to maemo-dev, but fair, I think ;-) |
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| 15:29.42 | hrw | X-Fade: where I can find sources for extras repositiry? |
| 15:30.04 | X-Fade | hrw: What sources? Source packages? |
| 15:30.27 | hrw | yes |
| 15:30.59 | X-Fade | htw: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/source/ http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/chinook/free/source/ |
| 15:30.59 | zuh | lardman: Also, there's an #openmax on freenode where sometimes people working on OpenMAX implementations hang out. IIRC I've seen Felipe there too, but the channel is not too populated... |
| 15:31.03 | hrw | gacias |
| 15:31.13 | lbt | Jaffa: and polite ? |
| 15:31.54 | lardman | Interesting, so the real advantage of openMAX over GStreamer is that OpenMAX components can directly connect to one another (e.g. on the DSP) without coming back to the ARM side as might be needed with GStreamer |
| 15:32.11 | Jaffa | lbt: depends - it reads as polite, but I'm not sure it was meant politely ;-) |
| 15:32.27 | lcuk | it was to the point |
| 15:32.37 | lbt | looks around innocently... |
| 15:33.16 | lcuk | finished his marathon vb run finally, now looks foreward to more vb '^'/ |
| 15:34.09 | lbt | notices that lcukmisspelled 'finally releasing some code' as 'more vb' |
| 15:34.26 | lbt | goes for coffee and cover |
| 15:34.38 | Jaffa | grins |
| 15:35.14 | aquatix | grins along |
| 15:35.16 | lcuk | you dont have to duck :) just tell me how easy it is to put xvn or whatever is needed on my tablet so i can manage code to garage |
| 15:35.19 | lcuk | has never used it |
| 15:35.25 | lcuk | svn ^ |
| 15:35.26 | zuh | lardman: That and the loss of existing autoplugging ;) |
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| 15:35.50 | aquatix | i installed svn on my tablet, but checking out a repository gave errors about lock files or something |
| 15:35.55 | zuh | (when used directly, openmax through gstreamer is another matter of course) |
| 15:36.00 | lbt | hmm, lcuk - I think you may want to look at http://wubi-installer.org |
| 15:36.06 | lardman | zuh: I was really wondering why OpenMAX should be used with GStreamer, so yes, better together |
| 15:36.17 | lcuk | well that scuppers another damn fine idea - i do all dev work on the tablet |
| 15:36.53 | johnx | lcuk, there's an svn client packaged I believe |
| 15:37.18 | lcuk | johnx, it should be available in scratchbox shouldnt it? cant i just use that one |
| 15:37.28 | lcuk | ie copy to tablet |
| 15:37.31 | johnx | if it's an armel .dev, sure |
| 15:37.56 | johnx | or you mean just copy binaries? |
| 15:38.04 | johnx | s/dev/deb of course |
| 15:38.11 | lcuk | and nobody cares if my code blows up ? |
| 15:38.21 | lcuk | when run on your machines |
| 15:38.27 | johnx | if it didn't we would feel ripped-off |
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| 15:38.34 | johnx | like we didn't get a chance to really beta test |
| 15:38.40 | lcuk | :D excellent |
| 15:38.54 | lbt | yeah, we're bored with stable - sardine is dead... |
| 15:38.58 | lcuk | wonders how many times he has been this close |
| 15:39.11 | johnx | lcuk, subversion is in extras :P |
| 15:39.25 | lcuk | lardman, could i perhaps give you the missuses mail address, you could gently nudge her towards nudging me |
| 15:39.31 | lbt | knocks lcuk with a feather |
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| 15:40.52 | lcuk | johnx, is it easy to use, ie once configured i can just essentially "upload" |
| 15:41.00 | lcuk | or whatever it is thats needed |
| 15:41.24 | X-Fade | lardman, felipec: You guys should talk to each other ;) |
| 15:41.35 | johnx | err...not much experience with svn except for anon checkouts...so, sorry, I couldn't tell you :( |
| 15:41.47 | lardman | X-Fade: yeah, I just saw that felipec was the man in question |
| 15:42.02 | lardman | having problems with irc nicks vs real names as ever :) |
| 15:42.11 | lcuk | :) blind leading the blind, can i screw up garage by sending wrong commands to it |
| 15:42.23 | lbt | svn is pretty simple |
| 15:42.26 | felipec | uh? what's up? |
| 15:42.44 | lardman | felipec: I was asking about OpenMAX |
| 15:42.48 | X-Fade | lcuk: Yes you can, but we can always wipe it completely for you ;) |
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| 15:43.34 | lcuk | will have to go readup |
| 15:43.56 | lbt | http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ |
| 15:44.00 | lardman | felipec: specifically about seperating DSP filters/decoders/etc. from sinks |
| 15:44.03 | lcuk | i cant now - at work |
| 15:44.07 | felipec | lardman: ah, then yes, I'm the guy :) |
| 15:44.40 | lardman | felipec: So, is that the plan, are you moving to rewriting the DSP tasks as OpenMAX components? |
| 15:44.55 | felipec | lardman: you mean the current gstreamer-dsp elements? |
| 15:45.15 | lardman | felipec: No, I presume they will remain as they are, but for the omap35xx for example? ;) |
| 15:45.43 | lardman | Or any possible future platform, whatever form it might take |
| 15:46.12 | felipec | lardman: well, I'm not allowed to talk about Nokia plans, but we are going to use OpenMAX, yes |
| 15:46.21 | lardman | cool |
| 15:46.34 | lardman | will be good to be able to use other people's DSP work |
| 15:47.05 | lcuk | felipec, even though you cannot discuss future plans, when you get near those making the future plans, please tell them to use every bit of silicon on the boards and if they cant release drivers so we can ;) |
| 15:47.21 | felipec | lardman: indeed, we also would like the dsp stuff more open |
| 15:47.22 | lardman | and equally, I hope the one of the components will be a pcm sink, so anything the community might write could use it (rather than having to replace the DSP kernel/reverse engineer the api) |
| 15:47.42 | hrw | fun.. maemo-mapper --enable-legacy == build for chinook... |
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| 15:48.43 | felipec | lcuk: we do that :) there's progress, but it's painfully slow |
| 15:48.59 | lcuk | does understand |
| 15:49.34 | lardman | must chase Quim to ask about why IVA was not used in omap2420 |
| 15:50.16 | lcuk | i would expect its cos its geared towards the framebuffer and not general memory? |
| 15:50.49 | hrw | libgpsbt and libgpsmgr are closed? |
| 15:51.16 | lardman | lcuk: No reason why it woudn't work afaict, and anyway, it's I think it's just a processing engine |
| 15:51.35 | lcuk | yer, the api is visible in 2430 driver |
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| 15:51.41 | lcuk | i think |
| 15:52.18 | lardman | driver? |
| 15:52.33 | lardman | in the Ti kernel code? |
| 15:52.44 | L0cutus | re |
| 15:52.48 | lcuk | yer |
| 15:52.50 | felipec | I'm not an expert on that, but I would guess the fact that the dsp bridge is different from ti's bridge means there's porting/reimplementation required, since a lot of codecs needed to be supported that's not an easy task |
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| 15:53.27 | lardman | felipec: don't worry, it wasn't aimed at you :) |
| 15:53.39 | lardman | felipec: and thanks for the news on OpenMAX :) |
| 15:53.40 | L0cutus | someone know if initfs_flasher does work with latest n800 firmware ? (RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin) |
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| 15:54.38 | felipec | lardman: no problem, there's #openmax if you are interested :) |
| 15:55.00 | felipec | although it's very silent lately |
| 15:55.10 | lardman | ok, I'll join and lurk, quietly :) |
| 15:55.26 | lcuk | improve the codec and the sound level will improve |
| 15:55.51 | hrw | # include "/usr/include/gpsbt.h" |
| 15:55.55 | hrw | KILL!!! |
| 15:56.07 | hrw | ~shoot maemo-mapper devs twice |
| 15:56.08 | infobot | ACTION shoots maemo-mapper devs twice in the head with a frozen turkey cannon! |
| 15:56.22 | lardman | what's up hrw? |
| 15:56.26 | lardman | That header should be available |
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| 15:56.38 | pH5 | good afternoon |
| 15:56.41 | pH5 | googles openmax |
| 15:56.54 | hrw | lardman: during cross-compilation? |
| 15:57.34 | Jaffa | hrw: has the Maemo Mapper code progressed from one single .c file? ;-) |
| 15:57.43 | hrw | I love amount of gcc3 only code in maemo apps |
| 15:57.48 | lardman | hrw: I mean you should be able to download it |
| 15:57.50 | hrw | Jaffa: it does |
| 15:58.08 | hrw | lardman: the problem is in a path not in include name |
| 15:58.25 | hrw | Jaffa: in ugly way - gcc4 does not like that code |
| 15:58.38 | hrw | | menu.c:98: error: static declaration of '_menu_view_goto_nextway_item' follows non-static declaration |
| 15:58.42 | hrw | | data.h:266: error: previous declaration of '_menu_view_goto_nextway_item' was here |
| 15:58.45 | hrw | etc |
| 15:58.58 | hrw | I am used to that.. or rather was... |
| 15:59.00 | hrw | 3 years ago |
| 15:59.14 | lcuk | is that just not compiling -wall or whatever it is |
| 15:59.33 | lcuk | and i mean the devs up until you got it today |
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| 16:01.27 | hrw | lcuk: gcc3 allow for many things which gcc4.x does not |
| 16:02.49 | lcuk | oooer, compiler gotten more paranoid |
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| 16:11.08 | lardman | lcuk_afk: I've just checked again, and no mention of the IVA in the omap2430 kernel source; where did you think you'd seen it? |
| 16:15.11 | lardman | hmm, perhaps there are some traces after all |
| 16:15.18 | lardman | ~lart WinXP search tools |
| 16:15.18 | infobot | nabs the moon and broadsides WinXP search tools with the sea of tranquility |
| 16:15.34 | lardman | home time |
| 16:16.16 | GeneralAntilles | "If the community can get a decent quality filter in extras and produce a bunch |
| 16:16.17 | GeneralAntilles | of amazing applications as good as or better than the ones proviced by Nokia |
| 16:16.17 | GeneralAntilles | and commercial partners" |
| 16:16.19 | GeneralAntilles | Ahahaha |
| 16:16.49 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, then what happens? we just call it debian? |
| 16:17.08 | GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3279 |
| 16:19.06 | lbt | hmm - how about renaming 'extras' as 'maemo' or something....? |
| 16:19.15 | GeneralAntilles | Huh? |
| 16:19.30 | lbt | links the apps to the new 'community' concept? |
| 16:19.39 | johnx | if anyone is using the app manager as their primary tool for finding out about new software I'd be surprised |
| 16:19.55 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, it's one of my tools. ;) |
| 16:19.59 | lbt | and instead of adding apps to the shipped N8xx, you provide a community link.... |
| 16:20.07 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, but not your first I'd bet |
| 16:20.16 | GeneralAntilles | We're not adding applications to the shipped devices, lbt. |
| 16:20.21 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, depends. |
| 16:20.52 | lbt | but you may then provide an 'enable maemo' function |
| 16:20.58 | johnx | I'm actually really happy with downloads.maemo.org and the nice big "click to install" arrows |
| 16:21.00 | lbt | just like the 'enable skype' |
| 16:21.10 | GeneralAntilles | lbt, that would be incredibly confusing. |
| 16:21.14 | GeneralAntilles | "Maemo" is the OS, basically. |
| 16:21.23 | GeneralAntilles | So "enable Maemo" means enabled the OS? |
| 16:21.31 | lbt | is maemo the OS? |
| 16:21.32 | GeneralAntilles | s/enabled/enable/ |
| 16:21.42 | johnx | maybe "Community" or "Contributed" but "Extras" seems fine really |
| 16:21.48 | lbt | I thought maemo was the community? |
| 16:21.48 | GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_brand |
| 16:22.33 | GeneralAntilles | maemo.org is the community. |
| 16:22.38 | GeneralAntilles | lbt, read the branding page. ;) |
| 16:22.44 | andre___ | yeah yeah, lots of things to define :) |
| 16:23.00 | lbt | OK - I take your point about confusion!!! |
| 16:23.17 | GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Maemo-meeting/2 |
| 16:23.25 | GeneralAntilles | OK, July 3rd is the outside deadline. |
| 16:23.34 | GeneralAntilles | We need to get a topic and agenda together. |
| 16:23.36 | lbt | the bug seemed to be that extras isn't enabled |
| 16:23.53 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, that was my main purpose |
| 16:24.03 | GeneralAntilles | but there are other ways around the hurdle of Extras being hard to find for new users. |
| 16:24.29 | lbt | and 'extras' is a weak word - I was suggesting that the device could be 'community enabled' - which may just enable extras and then throw users at your new clarification page :) |
| 16:25.03 | GeneralAntilles | Well, Ubuntu uses, what, "Universe"? |
| 16:25.38 | lbt | and, not knowing any better, I suggested maemo - maybe I should have suggested maemo.org... |
| 16:25.53 | lbt | but universe is the ubuntu equivalent |
| 16:26.35 | johnx | meh...people don't care what the category is called |
| 16:26.52 | lbt | But wouldn't it be nice to have an 'enable community' type button/icon? (label tbd) |
| 16:27.04 | johnx | I strongly believe that their first exposure to 3rd party software will be from downloads.maemo.org or some other site |
| 16:27.20 | johnx | which will enable extras with a yes/no question anyways |
| 16:27.33 | johnx | and as we all know: users always click yes O_o |
| 16:27.35 | lbt | So provide a button to enable extras (for dependencies) and point them at the browser |
| 16:27.53 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, how many average users do you think actually make it there? |
| 16:27.58 | lbt | OK - it was just an idea... |
| 16:28.00 | GeneralAntilles | I know there's no direct links from the tablet. |
| 16:28.07 | sp3000 | tends to dislike using 'community' as a name for a box (or a demarcated domain of another shape) |
| 16:28.14 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, that's where I would put your effort |
| 16:28.30 | lbt | sp3000: so I used the brand maemo (without fully grokking it) |
| 16:28.33 | johnx | getting a link on tableteer or on something linked from the default homescreen |
| 16:28.50 | sp3000 | also agrees with the content first approach that johnx has |
| 16:28.51 | lbt | johnx: yes - that's the kind of thing I meant... |
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| 16:29.06 | GeneralAntilles | Meh, I'd rather do away with the whole "browsing for applications in the web browser" |
| 16:29.14 | GeneralAntilles | I'd much rather see that done in Application manager. |
| 16:29.21 | sp3000 | rather than the 'hard-to-name blob' first approach :) |
| 16:29.30 | lbt | GeneralAntilles: too poor a UI... |
| 16:29.31 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, the app manager would have to come a long way very quickly for that to happen |
| 16:29.49 | GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/User:GeneralAntilles/Improving_the_Application_manager |
| 16:30.06 | johnx | plus, a web search is just more likely to get you what you want |
| 16:30.20 | johnx | there's only so much data about apps in their descriptions |
| 16:30.49 | lbt | GeneralAntilles: OK - but a nice rich browser window with a 'click to trigger the app mgr' ??? |
| 16:31.08 | johnx | it doesn't matter how good your description is, if *the user* somehow doesn't use a search term in it |
| 16:31.12 | lbt | I tend to look at the app mgr and then google to find out what it is. |
| 16:31.21 | johnx | also, users use the web browser *for everything* |
| 16:31.35 | GeneralAntilles | Anyway, I'm interested to see what will come with Fremantle. |
| 16:31.46 | GeneralAntilles | The words "kinetic scrolling" were tossed around a bit. . . . |
| 16:32.09 | lbt | yeah - user's don't want aptitude... they want 'one click' to install this screenshot :) |
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| 16:33.12 | johnx | heh...a button that says "Make my tablet do what that guys tablet is doing!" |
| 16:33.13 | lbt | do you have tags in the AppMgr? |
| 16:33.30 | GeneralAntilles | debtags? Not yet |
| 16:33.35 | GeneralAntilles | It's on the table, though. |
| 16:33.50 | lbt | would suite a tablet ui I think... |
| 16:34.19 | lbt | heirarchy views need real estate. |
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| 16:34.34 | Xamusk | so, how can one make esbox work with scratchbox2? |
| 16:35.07 | lbt | johnx: now, show me a screenshot of a tablet with an clickable imagemap on all the cool widgets... |
| 16:35.10 | lbt | mmm |
| 16:35.28 | johnx | lbt, heh...now that would actually be neat |
| 16:36.33 | GeneralAntilles | Flickr? |
| 16:36.40 | sp3000 | I think what I tend to miss most in appmrg is 1) incremental filtering search, 2) quick access to long desc, 3) what's new |
| 16:36.44 | lbt | could do... |
| 16:36.51 | sp3000 | (3) is of course kinda hard |
| 16:37.05 | lbt | sp3000: yes - and I'd think tags is good for 1) |
| 16:37.23 | lbt | 3 comes from a dynamic tag based on age |
| 16:37.28 | sp3000 | (2) is somewhat offset by the suckiness of many long descs, but at least it would expose it and motivate improvement |
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| 16:37.45 | lbt | (2) should have a mandatory garage link... |
| 16:37.53 | sp3000 | I suppose (3) could be roughly "updated or new <1mo" |
| 16:37.59 | sjgadsby | I'd just like well-defined, standardized catagories. |
| 16:38.01 | lbt | including Nokia apps |
| 16:38.34 | lbt | sjgadsby: categories don't work |
| 16:38.36 | sp3000 | sjgadsby: I tend to reflexively give up on categories as a bigger waste of time than just scanning through all ... |
| 16:38.48 | sp3000 | the latter has a guarantee of completeness |
| 16:38.55 | sp3000 | nobody can screw up "all" :) |
| 16:38.58 | lbt | tags allow multiple category entries |
| 16:38.59 | johnx | I think tags might be better than categories |
| 16:39.46 | lbt | sp3000: that's what I always do too - I have to guess how many coffees the developer had had when he categorised it |
| 16:40.04 | sjgadsby | Eh, the tags in garage are terrible, so tags are no sure solution. |
| 16:40.12 | GeneralAntilles | bangs his head on the wall. |
| 16:40.13 | lbt | and if it was a "when she categorised it" then gawd knows where it would end up... :D |
| 16:40.14 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite/Cite.php |
| 16:40.59 | GeneralAntilles | Personally, I like the idea of a QA team that sorts stuff. |
| 16:41.06 | GeneralAntilles | since developers seem to be unable to figure it out. |
| 16:46.06 | tank-man | "I deal with the god damn customers so the engineers don't have to. I have people skills; I am good at dealing with people. Can't you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?" |
| 16:46.45 | tank-man | your line reminded me of this quote from office space |
| 16:47.47 | sinak | i'm looking for firefox or opera for n800 but I can't find either of them |
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| 16:49.29 | johnx | sinak, look for "fennec" and "minefield", too interfaces to ff3 |
| 16:49.40 | johnx | also, the builtin browser in OS2008 is based on ff3 |
| 16:50.18 | sinak | ok thank you! |
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| 16:54.25 | GeneralAntilles | So, the first Maemo-meeting was really long, anybody else think we should set some sort of reasonable duration for it since they're going to be monthly anyway? |
| 16:54.27 | GeneralAntilles | 1-2 hours |
| 16:54.39 | johnx | that sounds fair |
| 16:54.49 | johnx | I felt sorry for how long Quim got stuck on the spot |
| 16:55.10 | johnx | please tell me there will be some better moderation this time... |
| 16:55.16 | johnx | y'know...any moderation |
| 16:55.22 | GeneralAntilles | I'd really rather this be something Quim looks forward to rather than dreading. :D |
| 16:55.26 | GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo-meeting |
| 16:55.35 | GeneralAntilles | Freenode just muxed around with their services |
| 16:55.41 | GeneralAntilles | So that may not be as possible as I'm hoping |
| 16:55.46 | GeneralAntilles | But, basically, the channel will be moderated |
| 16:56.09 | GeneralAntilles | There'll be 3-6 ops (eventually the council members + X-Fade, maybe others) |
| 16:56.19 | johnx | hmm |
| 16:56.22 | GeneralAntilles | 3-strikes you're out |
| 16:56.31 | GeneralAntilles | Everybody is granted voice by default |
| 16:56.41 | GeneralAntilles | but it'll be revoked if you use up your warnings. |
| 16:56.53 | johnx | well, it's worth a shot |
| 16:57.03 | johnx | we can always be more draconian if this doesn't work |
| 16:57.15 | GeneralAntilles | The first meeting wasn't really so much an issue of people not following rules and being bad |
| 16:57.23 | GeneralAntilles | Just there being no clear structure. ;) |
| 16:57.37 | GeneralAntilles | I think things will go a lot more smoothly if there's structure in place. |
| 16:57.53 | johnx | ever the optimist |
| 16:57.55 | GeneralAntilles | Anyway, we need a topic and agenda pronto. |
| 16:58.15 | GeneralAntilles | Eh, like you said, we can always make it stricter the next time around. |
| 16:59.25 | n800m | i had no idea about the maemo fennec |
| 16:59.30 | n800m | installing |
| 16:59.32 | GeneralAntilles | It sucks. |
| 16:59.45 | hrw | sinak: but remember that os2008 browser is based on firefox 3.0 alpha - before speedups.. |
| 16:59.50 | n800m | yeah the version number is 0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.00000something |
| 16:59.55 | n800m | still cool |
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| 17:00.16 | hrw | wants 50KB/s from maemo.org... |
| 17:00.19 | sinak | i see |
| 17:00.31 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, ping. |
| 17:00.42 | hrw | is playing with building maemo software with non-maemo environments |
| 17:01.42 | johnx | hrw, me too actually |
| 17:01.50 | johnx | hrw, working on maemo mapper right now? |
| 17:04.04 | hrw | johnx: no - I got other application for testing |
| 17:04.15 | n800m | hm fennec's not usable on n800 ;/ |
| 17:04.38 | johnx | hrw, I'm curious :) which ones? |
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| 17:05.38 | hrw | johnx: maemosweeper currently |
| 17:05.51 | hrw | johnx: it got built, now playing with hildon-desktop |
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| 17:06.36 | johnx | I'm trying to dig into tinymail/modest...but it looks a little intimidating O_o |
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| 17:07.55 | GeneralAntilles | maemo.org, now featuring the new and improved Dial-up Simulator! |
| 17:08.26 | johnx | but no fun modem noises |
| 17:08.46 | GeneralAntilles | files an angry bug. |
| 17:10.26 | johnx | heh...writing recipes for OE is kind of a pain...but it beats the heck out of writing deb packages O_o |
| 17:10.34 | hrw | johnx: pain? |
| 17:10.47 | johnx | dealing with brain-dead build systems mostly |
| 17:10.54 | hrw | most of maemo is "inherit autotools \n\nSRC_URI = 'location'" |
| 17:11.05 | hrw | johnx: then it is pain with any system |
| 17:11.09 | johnx | right |
| 17:11.17 | johnx | and less pain than any other system I can think of |
| 17:11.20 | hrw | gtk_window_set_is_temporary is maemo-only function? |
| 17:15.07 | hrw | it is |
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| 17:30.13 | AStorm | hehehe |
| 17:30.16 | AStorm | http://kerneltrap.org/Linux/Position_Statement_on_Linux_Kernel_Modules |
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| 17:36.47 | RST38h | AStorm: Cute, how these guys will make public statements but won't standardize on a binary driver interface for Linux |
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| 17:37.16 | derf | Why on Earth would they do that? |
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| 17:37.57 | RST38h | derf: To let manufacturers provide drivers that will work on different Linuxes |
| 17:38.01 | RST38h | without recompilation |
| 17:38.01 | hrw | RST38h: you can write userspace drivers |
| 17:38.05 | AStorm | RST38h: they make the statement so that there would be no binary drivers |
| 17:38.15 | hrw | RST38h: and that api was iirc declared as stable |
| 17:38.46 | RST38h | AStorm: oh, this is highly constructive =) I am sure their valiant statement will scare every manufacturer into providing source code |
| 17:38.57 | AStorm | hehe |
| 17:39.04 | RST38h | hrw: Why don't Nokia et al use it then? |
| 17:39.35 | hrw | RST38h: because umac was written before they were invented? |
| 17:39.48 | hrw | RST38h: umac is 2.6.16 if not even older |
| 17:40.01 | hrw | userspace drivers are 2.6.20+ iirc |
| 17:40.13 | AStorm | still |
| 17:40.18 | AStorm | there's prism54 |
| 17:40.32 | AStorm | Nokia could hire someone to bring it to Maemo |
| 17:40.46 | hrw | AStorm: what they would have to invest money if they have working driver? |
| 17:40.49 | AStorm | someone did a part of SPI work |
| 17:40.51 | RST38h | hrw: oh |
| 17:40.55 | AStorm | hrw: s/working/PITA/ |
| 17:41.05 | AStorm | and they had to invest money anyway |
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| 17:41.16 | hrw | AStorm: for their definition it is working |
| 17:41.22 | RST38h | they could investe much smaller amount of money and port umac to userland driver api |
| 17:41.32 | AStorm | RST38h: hmm, no |
| 17:41.36 | AStorm | NDA, you see |
| 17:41.37 | RST38h | and maybe somebody (X-Fade?) should bring it up with Nokia |
| 17:41.39 | derf | RST38h: It doesn't matter if their statement discourage binary drivers or not. |
| 17:41.47 | derf | But they have _just_ _said_ their goal is to not have any. |
| 17:41.52 | RST38h | AStorm: They can still release it in binary form |
| 17:41.59 | derf | And then going and doing something that would make that easier would be ridiculously stupid. |
| 17:42.08 | RST38h | AStorm: So NDA is not being touched here |
| 17:42.10 | AStorm | RST38h: it would have to be abstracted much more |
| 17:42.20 | AStorm | to not use any kernel interfaces |
| 17:42.30 | RST38h | derf: You misunderstand their statement, sorry |
| 17:42.48 | AStorm | RST38h: no, you do |
| 17:42.51 | RST38h | AStorm: Well, then it is back to Linux developers |
| 17:42.59 | derf | "We, the undersigned Linux kernel developers, consider any closed-source Linux kernel module or driver to be harmful and undesirable." |
| 17:43.00 | AStorm | the statement clearly says they don't want binary drivers |
| 17:43.04 | johnx | in the case of umac would a userspace driver mean that data is handed back and forth between kernelspace and userspace? |
| 17:43.06 | derf | What part of that says, "Binary drivers are okay." |
| 17:43.16 | RST38h | AStorm: Who ought to provide a binary driver interface rather than bitch about developers not making drivers available |
| 17:43.23 | AStorm | RST38h: blah |
| 17:43.28 | AStorm | just make open driver |
| 17:43.31 | AStorm | plus closed firmware |
| 17:43.33 | AStorm | that is ok |
| 17:43.41 | RST38h | AStorm: not always possible |
| 17:43.43 | AStorm | assuming firmware isn't tied to version of the driver too much |
| 17:43.52 | AStorm | almost always possible if worthwhile |
| 17:43.54 | RST38h | What makes you think there is firmware in every device? |
| 17:43.56 | AStorm | esp. possible with Wifi |
| 17:44.03 | RST38h | With wifi - maybe |
| 17:44.10 | RST38h | Not with all the other stuff |
| 17:44.11 | AStorm | with gfx card? |
| 17:44.15 | RST38h | gfx card - no |
| 17:44.17 | AStorm | (see, nVidia) |
| 17:44.21 | AStorm | no, you're wrong |
| 17:44.23 | AStorm | :> |
| 17:44.33 | RST38h | Even with nVidia - not entirely |
| 17:44.35 | AStorm | they do almost that |
| 17:44.38 | RST38h | With PowerVR - maybe |
| 17:44.39 | hrw | AStorm: they released 770, n800, n810(wme) with umac and it works (for their definition of work). I hope that if they will make new tablet at all then it will not be another from this family |
| 17:44.42 | AStorm | close enough to port it |
| 17:44.55 | AStorm | hrw: omap3? |
| 17:45.26 | hrw | AStorm: would be nice ;) |
| 17:45.45 | GeneralAntilles | I don't see it being anything else. |
| 17:45.46 | hrw | guys: liblocation is open or closed? |
| 17:45.56 | jku | hrw, closed |
| 17:46.10 | hrw | fsck |
| 17:46.17 | jku | everyhting in location stack is closed (except gpsd) |
| 17:46.19 | AStorm | hrw: you see, closed = PITA :> |
| 17:46.21 | hrw | so goodbye omweather |
| 17:46.31 | AStorm | gps could be open + firmware too, if they wanted |
| 17:46.41 | RST38h | gps is very simple |
| 17:46.46 | hrw | AStorm: it is userland library |
| 17:46.46 | AStorm | yes |
| 17:46.48 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody interested in helping with the increasing transparency plan? http://wiki.maemo.org/Increasing_transparency |
| 17:46.50 | RST38h | it talks to the mothership via two serial ports |
| 17:46.57 | AStorm | yup |
| 17:47.03 | RST38h | So we are not even talking a kernel level driver or even a userland driver |
| 17:47.06 | AStorm | Wifi talks to motherchip ;) through SPI |
| 17:47.18 | RST38h | A simple program that runs as a filter between gps and the system should suffice |
| 17:47.19 | AStorm | that needs to be ported to prism54 |
| 17:47.28 | AStorm | then add firmware and voila, it runs |
| 17:47.28 | RST38h | AStorm: TI lists two ways: serial and SPI |
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| 17:47.45 | RST38h | AStorm: I guess N810 uses SPI for simplicity, but it is still serial in principle |
| 17:48.07 | AStorm | SPI is serial, but a different form of it |
| 17:48.10 | AStorm | not UART |
| 17:48.13 | RST38h | I know |
| 17:48.16 | RST38h | synchronous serial |
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| 17:48.32 | RST38h | most chips will support both nowadays |
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| 17:57.02 | hrw | bye |
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| 18:01.33 | GeneralAntilles | Sure nobody wants to help with http://wiki.maemo.org/Increasing_transparency ? |
| 18:02.06 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, I'll look for a bit |
| 18:02.13 | johnx | going to bed in a couple minutes though |
| 18:02.18 | GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_package_source_status |
| 18:02.32 | johnx | I'm fed up dealing with autotools anyways O_o |
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| 18:06.25 | johnx | added "Libraries" to the list of categories...especially since that's what I care about the most |
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| 18:09.50 | qos | hey guys. are there some good links how to test the new diablo os? |
| 18:10.09 | GeneralAntilles | "test"? |
| 18:10.24 | johnx | qos, nope |
| 18:10.45 | qos | test means that it is not released yet, but you guys are already running it |
| 18:11.01 | GeneralAntilles | qos, then, nope. |
| 18:11.10 | sjgadsby | Nuts. libwww-perl on the tablets doesn't include SSL support. |
| 18:11.24 | GeneralAntilles | We were asked specifically not to distribute that information. |
| 18:11.35 | johnx | anyone outside Nokia who has "diablo" doesn't have it through official channels |
| 18:11.38 | qos | asked by? |
| 18:11.42 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia |
| 18:13.01 | timely | The error was: ³bad server response² (NSURLErrorDomain:-1011) |
| 18:13.05 | timely | GeneralAntilles: nice url :( |
| 18:13.12 | qos | so, who told you? ;) |
| 18:13.27 | johnx | we figured it out on our own |
| 18:13.32 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 18:13.37 | GeneralAntilles | timely, which url? |
| 18:13.57 | johnx | qos, there are some clues on internettablettalk.com/forums, but I won't say anything more than that |
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| 18:15.50 | timely | sp3000: nokia screwed up all by hiding non user/ things, no? :) |
| 18:16.10 | qos | i know about them, for that reason i was a bit staggered to hear nokia asked you not to spread these information. one would imagine that nokia stops those topics too... |
| 18:16.22 | timely | GeneralAntilles: 60-90mins tops |
| 18:16.33 | johnx | qos, stops topics on public forums? |
| 18:16.48 | gourdin_ | what is the best imap client for the n810 ? |
| 18:16.53 | GeneralAntilles | Modest |
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| 18:16.58 | gourdin_ | thx |
| 18:17.04 | GeneralAntilles | timely, for Maemo-meeting? |
| 18:17.18 | johnx | I like modest but if you want more features look at claws |
| 18:17.32 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, the page looks pretty good to me. anything specific you want me to look at? |
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| 18:17.45 | GeneralAntilles | I need help executing the plan. |
| 18:17.49 | GeneralAntilles | Getting the templates together and up to speed |
| 18:17.53 | GeneralAntilles | figuring out procedure |
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| 18:17.58 | GeneralAntilles | getting the package list |
| 18:18.03 | GeneralAntilles | determining source status |
| 18:18.06 | qos | johnx, anyhow those forums which are controlled by guys like reggie |
| 18:18.06 | Maximander | morning all |
| 18:18.08 | GeneralAntilles | putting together a couple of example petitions. |
| 18:18.25 | Maximander | anyone know about using bluetooth SPP on os2008? |
| 18:18.53 | johnx | qos, Reggie did make an appearance and urged people not to spread any more info. Nokia people said the same thing here. |
| 18:19.25 | Maximander | basically, I want a serial device in /dev after I pair a device with spp, but I'm not sure which kernel modules / scripts I need to get that |
| 18:19.56 | qos | any rumors about the offical release date? |
| 18:20.13 | timely | improving app managar |
| 18:20.43 | johnx | you're in luck, I make up a new rumor everyday |
| 18:21.07 | timely | qos: it'll be in the channel topic when it's ready |
| 18:21.13 | johnx | throws a dart...jan 1 1970 or sometime in 2038...but what's the difference? |
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| 18:21.19 | timely | it's not in the hands of nokia engineers |
| 18:21.30 | timely | at this point, we don't have a clue in whose hands it really is |
| 18:21.42 | timely | so anyone telling you differently is almost certainly smoking something |
| 18:21.43 | Maximander | anyone? seems like this should be pretty simple, as most (all?) bluetooth GPS devices use bluetooth serial |
| 18:21.46 | timely | asking is just annoying. so don't. |
| 18:21.50 | malungo | how can I get the imei number using python? |
| 18:24.02 | GeneralAntilles | timely, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:GeneralAntilles/Improving_the_Application_manager That work better? |
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| 18:26.52 | timely | yes |
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| 18:32.41 | Mousey | i love maemo |
| 18:32.46 | Mousey | humps maemo's leg |
| 18:33.04 | johnx | what brought this on? |
| 18:33.07 | GeneralAntilles | Damn http://www.marceloeduardo.com/blog/design/user-interface-design/carman-is-also-alive-news-upcoming-update |
| 18:33.23 | Mousey | johnx: i just keep using it, and it just keeps making me grin |
| 18:33.28 | Mousey | giant security hole it is, |
| 18:33.35 | Maximander | meh, where is / how to i get the serial device after pairing a bluetooth serial device? |
| 18:33.40 | Mousey | and some programs forget that fingers are the pointing device of choice |
| 18:33.51 | Mousey | i'd like to get Bluetooth PAN workin too |
| 18:34.01 | Mousey | but hey, my ignorance is not the device's shortcoming |
| 18:34.14 | GeneralAntilles | Oh hell yes: http://www.marceloeduardo.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/35.jpg |
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| 18:35.11 | johnx | wow...I didn't know you could get odometer data out of an ODBII iface O_o |
| 18:35.28 | johnx | well...duh...I guess if you can get speed |
| 18:35.57 | johnx | too bad gas will be like $7/gal by the next time I see a car :/ |
| 18:36.07 | aquatix | still cheap as hell |
| 18:36.10 | aquatix | compared to what i pay |
| 18:36.16 | johnx | I believe it |
| 18:36.24 | johnx | it's just not cheap compared to what I used to pay |
| 18:36.27 | aquatix | 1.60 euro for a liter |
| 18:37.20 | Mousey | GeneralAntilles: is that a canola plugin? |
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| 18:37.20 | aquatix | that's about $9/gallon |
| 18:37.24 | aquatix | </rant> |
| 18:37.25 | aquatix | ;) |
| 18:37.31 | GeneralAntilles | Mousey, no, it's a separate application. |
| 18:37.45 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: neat |
| 18:37.46 | Mousey | oh |
| 18:38.07 | johnx | I miss the summer of 2001 (WRT to gas prices) |
| 18:38.08 | Mousey | that's really hot |
| 18:38.14 | aquatix | does it measure start/stops or something? |
| 18:38.17 | aquatix | johnx: ghehe |
| 18:38.34 | GeneralAntilles | It's OBDII, and, seemingly, GPS |
| 18:39.11 | GeneralAntilles | I need to get the ElmScan and the BT adaptor back into the car. |
| 18:39.38 | johnx | wow...there is tons of crazy stuff you can get out of OBDII |
| 18:39.49 | johnx | needs to catch up on these new-fangled automobiles |
| 18:39.54 | GAN800 | Depends on the car a bit |
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| 18:40.23 | GAN800 | You'll get a lot more out of a high-end BMW than you will out of, say, my Camry. |
| 18:40.59 | johnx | of course, but my baseline reference is an 84 supra I used to have. That was like the first year it had a real digital ECU. Before that the ECU was mostly analog circuitry |
| 18:41.13 | GAN800 | lol |
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| 18:41.54 | johnx | high-end 80's electronics are terrifying |
| 18:42.13 | aquatix | ghehe |
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| 18:51.58 | n800m | http://www.byterapers.com/BeatEd/gallery/ |
| 18:53.32 | lcuk_afk | is a pirate |
| 18:54.12 | n800m | http://www.mandolux.com/archive/2006/0601.html |
| 18:54.29 | GeneralAntilles | yaaaaaarrrrr |
| 18:55.18 | lcuk | searches for eye patches |
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| 19:32.55 | lbt | I tweaked https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_package_source_status... |
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| 19:52.48 | lcuk | "Gary liquid has a very nice smooth scrolling gui that I'm interested in." odes he really |
| 19:52.55 | lcuk | lbt |
| 19:55.59 | GeneralAntilles | God, I hate "this is not a bug, as it's consistent with the spec" |
| 19:56.08 | GeneralAntilles | Well then the spec is broken and needs to be changed! |
| 19:56.23 | GeneralAntilles | s/hate/hate responses like/ |
| 19:56.47 | lcuk | which spec |
| 19:56.52 | GeneralAntilles | HAVA |
| 19:57.04 | GeneralAntilles | They don't show the rotating long-press animation on long-presses. |
| 19:57.05 | lcuk | no need to laugh i was only asking :P |
| 19:57.16 | lbt | rofl |
| 19:57.18 | GeneralAntilles | Which goes against the platform. |
| 19:57.41 | GeneralAntilles | "This is a good idea, but to be consistent with the rest of the application a rotating indictor is not part of the product spec." |
| 19:57.41 | lbt | How do I get that animation? I wanted it in my app... (to fit in) |
| 19:57.48 | lcuk | well you're gonna hate mine - its not even hildonized |
| 19:57.55 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, that's fine. |
| 19:58.11 | GeneralAntilles | But their product kinda pretends to be a Hildon application. |
| 19:58.27 | lbt | mine is :) Even has does dbus messages .... all for a shopping list! |
| 19:58.31 | GeneralAntilles | I don't have any issues with things that are obviously not Hildon stuff (like Canola) not comply with the platform spec. |
| 19:58.31 | lcuk | yer i dont even offer a "not full screen" option (though its in code and works nicely) |
| 19:58.47 | lbt | lcuk: wouldn't know... |
| 19:58.49 | GeneralAntilles | But if your application pretends to be Hildon, then it should comply with the platform UI spec. |
| 20:00.03 | lbt | so GeneralAntilles, where is the platform spec for long presses and the docs that tell you how to do it in Hildon? |
| 20:00.14 | lbt | is it gtk_widget_tap_and_hold_menu_position_top |
| 20:00.19 | GeneralAntilles | Check the maemo docs |
| 20:00.21 | GeneralAntilles | I don't know. |
| 20:00.34 | lcuk | wishes he had never started to move to database |
| 20:00.44 | lbt | I've been looking for a couple of days - but since you kind of brought it up... |
| 20:00.50 | lbt | ah well... |
| 20:01.13 | lbt | lcuk: hash buckets... |
| 20:01.17 | lcuk | lbt, what does your shopping list do then |
| 20:01.26 | lcuk | thats for partying |
| 20:02.42 | keesj | Databases are for ladies! |
| 20:02.54 | lbt | lcuk :http://zaurus-shopper.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html |
| 20:03.10 | lcuk | well i thought that, but now ive got 476 files to read and process |
| 20:03.18 | lbt | way cool eh? |
| 20:03.30 | lcuk | dunno, you put a colon in front i cant click yet.. |
| 20:03.37 | lbt | lcuk: http://zaurus-shopper.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html |
| 20:03.48 | lbt | VB coder |
| 20:04.27 | lbt | boring but useful |
| 20:04.29 | lcuk | your shopping list looks like mine, except yours uses real fonts :P |
| 20:04.54 | lbt | and things disappear when you tick them |
| 20:05.08 | lbt | and when they've all gone, the N800 blue light flashes... |
| 20:05.09 | lcuk | cool |
| 20:05.13 | lbt | super |
| 20:06.03 | lbt | like I said - I just needed to remember C and now C++ and the zaurus battery is dead so I got to buy an N800 on condition I ported Shopper to it.... |
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| 20:06.27 | lbt | and I'm not allowed to buy steak until it's done... |
| 20:06.30 | keesj | lcuk: read http://www.prevayler.org/wiki/ and think about the current versioned system you just created, all you need is to also store a full set net to your changes file |
| 20:06.36 | lbt | bloody managers... |
| 20:08.50 | lbt | lcuk: what are you using a DB for? |
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| 20:10.19 | lcuk | (keesj, reading now, looks similar to other things ive thought about/implemented in the past) lbt, you have seen the sketch program - ive got about 500 individual sketches each with their own pages strokes points tags and meta info. restoriing from file just to view the graffiti wall is getting laborious |
| 20:10.48 | lcuk | and managing tags was painful |
| 20:12.17 | lbt | a thought: in large scale 3d modelling you only read in 'nearby' nodes. |
| 20:12.19 | lcuk | i needed a way to scale up beyond those limitations, but i will also need network connectivity as well |
| 20:13.08 | lbt | some RPGs page in scene information from just beyond the player's visibility boundary - you're not a million miles from that pattern |
| 20:13.17 | lcuk | its not *that* bad yet, its just a few seconds loading, but its not as slick as i want it. i have a target and know (cos ive been testing) that sqlite can give it me |
| 20:13.31 | lbt | yeah - but |
| 20:13.42 | lbt | all in memory at once - kinda limiting |
| 20:14.13 | lcuk | and - records for rpg *still* need to be sorted and selected quickly, i really cant be arsed reinventing the wheel for everything, the db does sorting and grouping better than my file system could |
| 20:14.37 | lbt | hashes are good for that kind of thing |
| 20:14.45 | lcuk | once i have it i can do all what you say and initialise the records at the right time |
| 20:14.49 | lcuk | what builds the hashes... |
| 20:14.58 | lbt | I did some work on git a while back |
| 20:15.25 | lcuk | and how often do they change (the whole surface is fluid - each sketch can resize and move at will according to the base object model |
| 20:15.55 | lbt | Is a sketch a self contained unit though? |
| 20:16.31 | lcuk | yes - currently there is a frame class which contains a sketch, its the bare frames which move and adjust and render the contained sketch as required |
| 20:16.53 | lbt | so define it, create a hash of it's contents, store the hash in a heirarchy, note where the hash is in on the 2d space |
| 20:17.01 | lbt | git does that. |
| 20:17.15 | lbt | your 2d space map is a list of hashes. |
| 20:17.21 | lcuk | then the user clicks on a sketch and moves it - new hash required |
| 20:17.27 | lbt | Every sketch is unique so has a unique hash |
| 20:17.39 | lbt | well, if they *move* it |
| 20:17.41 | lcuk | its not that bad - the ONLY thing im even remotely bothered about was the initial loading time |
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| 20:17.45 | lbt | the hash doesn't change |
| 20:17.47 | keesj | I am so happy I don't do databases any more! |
| 20:18.05 | lbt | the 2d space changes |
| 20:18.19 | lbt | and it gives you an infinite space |
| 20:18.24 | lbt | and network capabilities |
| 20:18.36 | lbt | you can throw a hash to another device |
| 20:18.43 | lbt | it appears on their tablet |
| 20:18.50 | lcuk | oh - i best tell you - i have all these strokes and sketches now, i will be processing them into island groups and normalizing them to give a set of similar characters |
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| 20:19.16 | lcuk | did the brainwork a couple of years ago in vb ;) |
| 20:19.21 | lbt | I'm actually describing a lot of what git does - the linux kernel version control system? |
| 20:19.44 | lcuk | yer i know what you are on about and i understand |
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| 20:19.50 | lbt | OK - checking |
| 20:19.51 | lbt | :) |
| 20:20.05 | lbt | it's powerful but can be a space hog |
| 20:20.24 | lbt | you don't need to keep versions (but you could) |
| 20:20.25 | lcuk | i suppose these sketches would be like that - network awareness has been pondered |
| 20:20.31 | lcuk | it already does |
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| 20:20.42 | lbt | yep, take a sketch and beam it to another N800... |
| 20:20.48 | lcuk | opening a sketch to edit and saving does not remove the old - i have full history |
| 20:20.51 | lbt | take 2 sketches and merge them |
| 20:21.03 | lcuk | display the history |
| 20:21.10 | lbt | OK - git has a concept called packing |
| 20:21.18 | lcuk | well merging i was going to do with frames, just like setting up a form |
| 20:21.37 | lcuk | sketch here, another one there, make that bigger flip that one rotate that one etc |
| 20:21.48 | lbt | don't know the object heirarchy... |
| 20:22.09 | lbt | merging should join the containers |
| 20:22.18 | lbt | (probably...) |
| 20:22.20 | lcuk | you can see it - ive printed it and its on the wall at the side |
| 20:22.28 | lbt | lemmesee |
| 20:22.31 | lcuk | lol |
| 20:22.38 | lbt | hmm, your camera is off |
| 20:22.43 | lbt | give me a moment.... |
| 20:23.39 | lbt | the thing about a hash system is that it doesn't have the overhead of a DB - and most of the time you don't want a DB |
| 20:23.46 | lbt | you just want a DB's blob store |
| 20:24.18 | lcuk | are you registered here in #maemo |
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| 20:25.27 | GeneralAntilles | You don't register for a channel. :P |
| 20:25.30 | lbt | how do you mean? |
| 20:25.31 | GeneralAntilles | You register for the network. |
| 20:26.12 | lcuk | lbt, its ok you are i think - or ive turned off anon access |
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| 20:33.23 | kkrusty | I found a way to have canola play playlists with flv files |
| 20:33.35 | Mousey | you officially rock |
| 20:33.37 | kkrusty | just rename the flv to mpeg :| |
| 20:33.38 | Mousey | imho |
| 20:33.40 | kkrusty | I know |
| 20:33.46 | Mousey | really? That's it? |
| 20:33.49 | kkrusty | yeah |
| 20:33.54 | kkrusty | its just a frontend |
| 20:33.56 | Mousey | that rocks |
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| 20:34.21 | kkrusty | well I regret it though |
| 20:34.47 | kkrusty | on the second file it started screaming this insanely high pitch sound |
| 20:35.23 | kkrusty | so it doesnt rock |
| 20:35.55 | kkrusty | now I have to put some new cotton into my ears |
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| 20:41.28 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Ping? |
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| 20:47.28 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, pong. |
| 20:48.35 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I showed Marius your application manager page and he liked it very much. |
| 20:48.51 | GeneralAntilles | Excellent! :D |
| 20:49.45 | X-Fade | He is willing to work with the community and even give them commit access to the project. (We need to do it in an experimental branch and need to work some more things out) |
| 20:50.29 | X-Fade | But let's work that out in the near future. |
| 20:51.18 | X-Fade | I'll try to get back to you on that later this week. |
| 20:51.21 | GeneralAntilles | I'm assuming you saw? https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo-meeting |
| 20:52.21 | X-Fade | Yes, and also the other meetings Quim suggested. I will try to put them in the event calendar on maemo.org too. |
| 20:53.44 | X-Fade | We need to do a practice run of a meeting too. To see how we would do moderation etc. |
| 20:54.01 | lbt | I'll help :) |
| 20:54.16 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, the Freenode services just changed fairly significantly, too. |
| 20:54.24 | GeneralAntilles | and I'm not sure we can do voice-by-default. :\ |
| 20:54.51 | X-Fade | lbt: You can play the guy who gets banned ;) |
| 20:55.04 | lbt | I can heckle... |
| 20:55.08 | lbt | ask lcuk |
| 20:55.24 | X-Fade | Hehe, well more on that later too. |
| 20:55.31 | X-Fade | I really need to get some sleep. |
| 20:55.39 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 20:56.54 | ds3 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:59.22 | atezun | Is it poosible to disable the stylus keyboard in OS2008 or at least set the finger keyboard as default? |
| 20:59.59 | kkrusty | yes. Place a fat glass slab on the screen |
| 21:00.09 | GeneralAntilles | atezun, only if you have an N810. |
| 21:00.19 | kkrusty | i kid |
| 21:01.55 | atezun | ah well, thanks though |
| 21:02.57 | atezun | in that case anyone know where to email feedback to nokia then? |
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| 21:08.15 | GeneralAntilles | atezun, bugs.maemo.org |
| 21:08.21 | GeneralAntilles | but the issue you're having is mostly solved by Diablo. |
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| 21:26.47 | GeneralAntilles | It's too bad you can't ban people from the mailing list for "idiot". |
| 21:28.14 | lbt | GeneralAntilles: ?? |
| 21:28.29 | GeneralAntilles | Speaking generally. :P |
| 21:28.41 | GeneralAntilles | Although Mr. Mark Haury is a front-runner at the moment. |
| 21:29.00 | lbt | not Darius? |
| 21:29.43 | GAN800 | He's more craazy than anything, and we can already ban him for html. :D |
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| 21:53.53 | lcuk | ermmm GeneralAntilles whats the repo list site from the topic? (or to teach me to fish, how do i reshow the topic of this chan?) |
| 21:54.35 | GeneralAntilles | Depends on your client. |
| 21:54.40 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:54.55 | lcuk | tis ok :) i didnt drown, thanks it worked |
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| 22:54.43 | m-c | Has anyone connected the NIT to a linux desktop via Bluetooth for use as a removable media device? |
| 22:54.53 | m-c | *anyone here |
| 22:56.42 | GeneralAntilles | Why not just use wifi? |
| 22:56.44 | GeneralAntilles | Much faster. |
| 22:58.10 | m-c | Well, I guess I am trying to get around the SSH requirements. |
| 22:58.28 | m-c | Also, I like knowing that when the BT is disconnected, the files are inaccessble. |
| 22:58.46 | GeneralAntilles | What ssh requirements? |
| 22:58.54 | m-c | With WiFi, the share is "open" so long as the device is connected to the I-net |
| 22:59.22 | m-c | I assumed you were meaning SFTP when you said wifi |
| 22:59.47 | GeneralAntilles | That's one option, yes. |
| 22:59.54 | GeneralAntilles | But there are only about a half a million others. |
| 23:00.40 | m-c | That do not have an SSH requirement? |
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| 23:01.08 | m-c | Well, anyway, what were you meaning if not SFTP ? |
| 23:01.39 | glass_ | theres smb port too i think |
| 23:01.55 | glass_ | or nfs i guess |
| 23:02.36 | m-c | I guess NFS - would fit that specification. Would nneed to set up an authentication service for it... |
| 23:03.09 | m-c | Anyway, about that bluetooth file share ... no one has that set up? Windows or Linux? |
| 23:03.11 | glass_ | if you setup networking through bt(which i think possible) then any protocol would do |
| 23:03.45 | m-c | I am having trouble setting up a persistent connection - although the NIT sends files to the desktop with no issues. |
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| 23:04.25 | m-c | I get a "Can't get device information: Success" error when I try to pair it. |
| 23:05.48 | m-c | The bluetooth utilities on linux are not anything to write home about, either, I guess, so I figured I would ask in here. ;) |
| 23:07.26 | ccooke | Anyone use twitter on maemo? Any good client? |
| 23:08.14 | sinak | gn |
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| 23:11.05 | GeneralAntilles | mitter |
| 23:11.13 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.google.com/search?ie=utf8&oe=utf8&q=twitter+maemo |
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| 23:17.55 | ccooke | GeneralAntilles: just been trying it... doesn't seem to update, though |
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| 23:18.29 | ccooke | And I'm now not sure if that's a bug or a connection throttle :-) |
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| 23:24.49 | Maximander | Anyone here have any experience with Bluetooth serial? If I understand correctly, I need to use `rfcomm bind` right? |
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| 23:38.48 | sjgadsby | Using RTCOMM for IRC seems to lead to frequent watchdog reboots. |
| 23:39.18 | GAN800 | rtcomm sucks for IRC |
| 23:39.29 | GAN800 | xchat is the way to go |
| 23:40.05 | sjgadsby | I know. You've told me, but its so convenient. |
| 23:40.22 | GAN800 | 'convenient' :P |
| 23:40.51 | sjgadsby | I'll stop being lazy and try xchat. |
| 23:41.30 | sjgadsby | Reboots are inconvenient, after all. |
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| 23:43.42 | andre___ | file a bug report :) |
| 23:44.08 | sjgadsby | I will. |
| 23:44.51 | GeneralAntilles | It is the rtcomm beta, right? |
| 23:45.03 | sjgadsby | Yes. |
| 23:45.31 | rm_you | yeah that borked my tablet too |
| 23:46.23 | GeneralAntilles | I'd definitely recommend the Collabora Telepathy plugins to most people. |
| 23:47.20 | GeneralAntilles | Creepy https://wiki.maemo.org/images/8/8e/Maemo.org_logo_contest_blaxnux1-hand_ok_sign.png |
| 23:48.00 | Maximander | agrees |
| 23:49.57 | andre___ | the more info is in the bug report, the better :) |
| 23:50.07 | Maximander | where's the kernel .config on os2008? |
| 23:50.25 | Maximander | trying to figure out what's built in... |
| 23:50.50 | GAN800 | 'it's broke. fix it.' |
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| 23:52.16 | sjgadsby | andre___: That's why I haven't submitted a bug report on it yet. I get frequent reboots, but I haven't found how to trigger one exactly. |
| 23:52.27 | Maximander | wishes that making /proc/config.gz were enabled on ALL binary distributions |
| 23:53.09 | andre___ | sjgadsby, a good way to reproduce is always appreciated, but sometimes it makes sense to file a report and wait for people with "more wisdom" to comment and help how to track down |
| 23:53.31 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 23:53.36 | GeneralAntilles | Probably these days more than it did a year ago. |
| 23:53.52 | andre___ | definitely :-) |
| 23:53.54 | andre___ | i currently try to collect knowledge to improve my questions to reporters, but it always takes some time :) |
| 23:54.34 | andre___ | funny because i currently study the same issue for an exam (management of knowledge and its redundancy) |
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| 23:57.16 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 23:57.19 | andre___ | hmm... https://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Maemo.org_logo_contest_blaxnux1-hand_ok_sign.png - i think in some cultures this does not mean "OK" but something very rude ;-) |
| 23:57.41 | GeneralAntilles | Aha, I hadn't thought of that. |
| 23:57.52 | GeneralAntilles | I was mostly just creeped out by it. |
| 23:57.57 | sjgadsby | Now he likes it. |
| 23:58.11 | andre___ | harhar |
| 23:58.18 | andre___ | ah, in brazil according to http://www.cracked.com/article_16335_7-innocent-gestures-that-can-get-you-killed-overseas.html |
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| 23:58.28 | andre___ | (warning: offending language in that link) |
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