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| 00:58.42 | beford | Hey, I would like to transform a video file into a suitable format for my n810, what format, width and height settings should I use? |
| 01:00.44 | Navi | mpeg4 video, mp3 audio, 400x240 |
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| 01:06.26 | rm_you | hrm, so anyone ever tried compiling / getting mythtv-frontend to work on ITOS? :P |
| 01:07.04 | rm_you | I want to use my n800 as a mythtv controller :) |
| 01:10.27 | Navi | Someone did |
| 01:10.38 | Navi | video performance wasn't so great |
| 01:10.52 | Navi | It's on itT |
| 01:13.42 | rm_you | ooo |
| 01:15.27 | rm_you | hrm |
| 01:15.33 | rm_you | I guess I was thinking about this wrong |
| 01:15.53 | Navi | Do you want a remote to connect to your PC box? |
| 01:15.54 | rm_you | I really want the video to play on the machine with the backend... I just want to control it |
| 01:16.01 | rm_you | AH! |
| 01:16.03 | Navi | 'cuz there's an app in the repos that lets you do that |
| 01:16.08 | rm_you | ah? |
| 01:16.37 | rm_you | Other option is setting the resolution of the mythtv frontend box to 800x480 and using x11vnc :P |
| 01:16.45 | rm_you | and then use vnc viewer on my tablet, and WIN :P |
| 01:16.53 | Navi | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/pymythremote/ |
| 01:16.55 | rm_you | Navi, what app is that? I'll take a look |
| 01:16.58 | rm_you | kk thanks |
| 01:17.13 | Navi | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mythetomer/ |
| 01:17.29 | Navi | Those two |
| 01:17.37 | rm_you | awesome thanks |
| 01:17.38 | rm_you | used either? |
| 01:17.41 | Navi | Nope |
| 01:17.44 | rm_you | hrm |
| 01:17.46 | rm_you | I'll try em |
| 01:17.49 | Navi | I don't have a mythtv box |
| 01:18.33 | Navi | http://netti.nic.fi/~icewood/mythetomer/index.php for mythetomer |
| 01:18.38 | Navi | screenies and info |
| 01:19.03 | ryoohki | doesn't the n800 lack an ir interface? |
| 01:19.53 | Navi | Doesn't do it via IR |
| 01:20.05 | ryoohki | Navi: thanks! |
| 01:20.06 | Navi | mythetomer connects over lan |
| 01:20.49 | ryoohki | anyone know when then nokia n810 wimax edition is coming out and if the specs have changed( like more ram, faster cpu)? |
| 01:21.01 | Navi | shrugs |
| 01:21.14 | beford | It's a 4:3 video, so i was unable to select 400x240, I selected 320x240, that'll work, right? |
| 01:21.36 | beford | ryoohki, I think they only added the wimax chipset, afaik other specs are the same as current n810 |
| 01:21.48 | Navi | beford, I guess |
| 01:23.35 | ryoohki | beford: thanks! i hope they upped the ram and cpu a little |
| 01:24.11 | beford | https://www.nokiausa.com/A4952190 |
| 01:25.23 | beford | https://www.nokiausa.com/A4626059 |
| 01:26.02 | rm_you | Navi, I guess I may have to go with my VNC idea :/ |
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| 01:26.35 | rm_you | mythtomer looks as if it only does TV related functions... |
| 01:26.55 | rm_you | I don't even have a capture card in this machine, I just want it to be a media player <_< |
| 01:27.02 | rm_you | ah well, thanks for the suggestions :) |
| 01:27.27 | lcuk | rm, you want a remote keyboard for your 800 |
| 01:27.42 | Navi | Well, it can do music and videos :P |
| 01:28.04 | Navi | there's enough touch buttons to cover the media aspect of mythtv |
| 01:29.51 | Navi | there's also files sitting in the pymythcontroller svn |
| 01:30.02 | Navi | I've never touched them, so I don't know what it's like |
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| 01:58.24 | GAN800 | N810W is just an N810 with WiMAX. :/ |
| 01:59.48 | summatusmentis | but... but... it's black! |
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| 02:16.12 | rm_you | lcuk, ? |
| 02:16.35 | rm_you | anyway, this will be perfect if I can get VNC on my n800 to do REAL fullscreen |
| 02:17.14 | rm_you | right now it thinks "fullscreen" means "almost fullscreen, with about 40px of valuable screen real-estate devoted to a control bar I don't want |
| 02:17.15 | rm_you | " |
| 02:17.45 | rm_you | AH nice there we go, i'm dumb |
| 02:17.57 | rm_you | it has a check in the menu for the toolbar in fullscreen :P |
| 02:18.22 | GAN800 | :/ |
| 02:18.29 | GAN800 | :\ |
| 02:22.57 | rm_you | sweet, now I have an awesome remote control :P |
| 02:27.12 | darkblue_B | rm_you: Ive been using the VNC |
| 02:27.26 | rm_you | :) |
| 02:27.26 | darkblue_B | it just has a few quirks |
| 02:27.29 | rm_you | for mythtv? |
| 02:27.38 | darkblue_B | oh, nope |
| 02:27.46 | darkblue_B | just running the thingg |
| 02:27.47 | rm_you | lol |
| 02:28.00 | rm_you | yeah, it seems to work well ;) |
| 02:28.19 | darkblue_B | that feature about preferring the pressure input to clicks |
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| 02:28.33 | darkblue_B | prevents the click from being recognized sometimes |
| 02:28.42 | darkblue_B | .. like to bring up the onscreen keyboard |
| 02:29.11 | darkblue_B | or for me .. the "four squares" icon.. I cant clck it via VNC |
| 02:29.28 | darkblue_B | someone has a hack to disable the pressure input |
| 02:29.39 | darkblue_B | but that seems sketchy to me |
| 02:29.49 | darkblue_B | .. or at least, I havent done it |
| 02:30.19 | darkblue_B | thats how far I've gotten |
| 02:30.25 | darkblue_B | - |
| 02:30.46 | darkblue_B | I plan on going to the talk tomorrow night in San Jose, if anyone else on the channel will be there |
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| 03:12.19 | chmac | I'm just about to swap my N810 for a new one (hardware fault with the keyboard) - any recommendations on how to back it up and restore it exactly as is? |
| 03:12.36 | chmac | I've got openSSH installed and running, so I could do some sort of scp backup if that's possible... |
| 03:12.56 | m-c | chmac: Use the backup and restore application in the control panel? |
| 03:13.19 | chmac | m-c: I just read about that and it doesn't backup very much data does it? |
| 03:13.31 | chmac | m-c: It doesn't backup installed applications, etc |
| 03:13.56 | chmac | m-c: Ideally I'd like to do a full backup of the root partition and the internal memory card if possible, but I don't know if I can do that while the device is running |
| 03:14.30 | m-c | Well, that's what I used and I sent two N800 in for repairs. Worked well enough. |
| 03:15.58 | chmac | m-c: Ok, did you get the same unit back, or a replacement unit? |
| 03:16.48 | m-c | one of each |
| 03:16.54 | chmac | m-c: The N800 doesn't have an in-built memory card does it? |
| 03:17.32 | chmac | I can probably back that up via sftp though |
| 03:23.28 | Tester | chmac: no.. but it has two SD slots |
| 03:24.22 | beford | www.shmoocon.org |
| 03:24.27 | chmac | Tester: Yeah, so you can pull both cards out. I really would like a full size SD slot in my N810, I do so love my SanDisk SD Plus cards :) |
| 03:24.28 | Tester | the builtin backup app will backup the list of applications that have been installed through the app manager |
| 03:24.42 | chmac | Tester: Ok, cool, so I can probably restore from that |
| 03:24.59 | chmac | I'm not sure I actually want to re-install them all anyway, I've been playing with this tablet knowing it has to go back |
| 03:25.31 | Tester | but if you want to backup everything, you can probably do ssh root@n8x0 tar xvf > file.tar |
| 03:25.55 | Tester | err... tar xv / > file.tar |
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| 03:26.01 | beford | hmm I have no idea why I pasted that here, sorry. |
| 03:29.11 | chmac | Tester: Yeah, I'm ssh'd on now, I'm running an sftp backup of /media/mmc2 |
| 03:29.25 | chmac | I'll try a tar of / as well... |
| 03:30.20 | chmac | Gotta go to lunch :) |
| 03:31.01 | summatusmentis | I need a bigger internal SD |
| 03:31.31 | summatusmentis | can it be switched out? |
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| 03:44.37 | oilinki | I kind of miss the swapable internal memorycard on n810. |
| 03:46.59 | oilinki | it's pretty handy when going to traveling. At the start I uplodad lots of music and podcast to the 8gb memory. while traveling I take a lot's of photos and move those in to n800. When the memory get's full, just need to remove some old podcasts / music to get space for the pictures. |
| 03:47.32 | oilinki | and sometimes it's nice to show some pics to other people. |
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| 04:20.50 | beford | =] got rtorrent working |
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| 04:41.36 | RST38h | yawn |
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| 04:46.34 | oilinki | now I know. yawn can continue even via irc.... |
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| 04:58.48 | atul | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:02.10 | beford | there is a port |
| 05:02.16 | beford | afaik |
| 05:02.53 | beford | http://blog.mozilla.com/blassey/2008/03/17/maemo-buildbot/ |
| 05:03.06 | beford | first google result for "xulrunner maemo" :P |
| 05:05.36 | mbuf | atul, Antonia already replied in the mailing list |
| 05:10.39 | Mikho_ | would somebody know what's the recommended way of removing application created directories upon uninstallation? |
| 05:12.11 | Mikho_ | my app creates .[$PACKAGE] directories in users' home directory.. |
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| 05:26.46 | Mikho_ | or.. how can I make a program capable of writing in it's own directory? |
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| 05:28.26 | mysc | hi, can i edit just the bootmenu.conf or .sh or must i reflash the whole thing? |
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| 05:33.15 | lopz | night |
| 05:34.10 | atul | Hi MicroB is the "Mozilla based browser for maemo", previously it won't come with XULRunner whatis the current status of it ? Does it support now ? |
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| 05:38.51 | beford | atul, didnt you read what I just said? |
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| 05:50.38 | Mikho_ | okay... how can I chown an installed application to the current user upon deb package install? |
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| 05:56.00 | Mikho_ | where do applications usually write data files in linux? |
| 05:58.47 | Mikho_ | argh, everybody's still sleeping |
| 05:58.49 | Veggen | uhm...what kind of data files? |
| 05:58.59 | Veggen | normally: in your home directory. |
| 06:00.35 | Veggen | On the tablet: varies a little, but I'd say in the special directories under your home directory are most usual. |
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| 06:01.48 | Mikho_ | so, if I use the home directory, how do I remove the special directory when the app is uninstalled_ |
| 06:01.51 | Mikho_ | ? |
| 06:01.52 | Veggen | (/home/user/MyDocs and the hidden directories there (but they show up in file manager) |
| 06:02.38 | Mikho_ | I could put rm -rf in postrm, but that approach has disadvantages |
| 06:03.11 | Veggen | uhm...yah. I'd say you *don't* remove users file when app is uninstalled. |
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| 06:04.45 | Mikho_ | that's not good either |
| 06:05.13 | Veggen | but, need to go. work. |
| 06:05.38 | beford | I think that the normal approach is to only remove config files when --purge parameter is passed |
| 06:06.08 | Mikho | I might have 20MB of cached files in the special folder for example |
| 06:06.32 | beford | what kind of files? |
| 06:06.51 | Mikho | anything... pictures, sound, text |
| 06:07.02 | ranit | hi, i am porting a simple Qt phonon app on maemo platform(N810), but some media formats are not working. it gives me http://pastebin.com/m521b7fa5 before the app is run. |
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| 06:08.32 | beford | did you try installing that package? |
| 06:09.06 | ranit | yep, i have installed everything related to gstreamer |
| 06:11.01 | johnx | just saw this linked on another channel: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.wireless.general/11997 |
| 06:11.25 | johnx | it's a preliminary open source driver for the n8x0 wifi chip. |
| 06:11.39 | johnx | was this done by someone on here? |
| 06:11.51 | Mikho | sigh... looks like there's no way other than to create the data diretory in /home/user/ |
| 06:12.23 | Mikho | sometimes I just hate the linux file permission paranoia |
| 06:12.54 | qwerty12 | johnx, I've heard that driver mentioned on here before, the guy has a website too (can't remember it though) |
| 06:13.27 | johnx | qwerty12, it's linked in a reply to that. |
| 06:13.30 | Mikho | somebody should think of a good solution to having to write the root password 50 times a day... |
| 06:13.40 | johnx | Mikho, sudo |
| 06:13.53 | johnx | then you can write your own password 30 times a day |
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| 06:14.03 | qwerty12 | johnx, doh. sorry, I'm having a blond hair day. |
| 06:14.13 | Mikho | it's 50 with sudo in my case :( |
| 06:14.15 | johnx | qwerty12, just wanted to make sure that potential hackers knew about it here |
| 06:14.38 | Mikho | hey, maybe I could increase the sudo timeout to something like 24 hours |
| 06:15.00 | johnx | or even just 30 minutes |
| 06:15.24 | johnx | or just put a NOPASWD (Sp!) line in /etc/sudoers |
| 06:15.31 | Mikho | oh |
| 06:15.35 | Mikho | nice! |
| 06:16.22 | Mikho | why didn't I think of this earlier... just suffered silently |
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| 06:21.45 | Mikho | oh, now I remember... got discouraged for having to edit the sudoers file with vi |
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| 06:24.41 | johnx | Mikho, vi is aaaaawesome |
| 06:24.49 | johnx | but do you have nano installed? |
| 06:24.58 | Mikho | it's the most unintuitive piece of software in the world |
| 06:25.01 | johnx | EDITOR=nano visudo |
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| 06:25.33 | Mikho | hmm, maybe everything associated with autoconf is a bit more unintuitive |
| 06:26.00 | johnx | vi is closer to anti-intuitive in my mind |
| 06:26.14 | johnx | it works the way you would assume it didn't |
| 06:26.27 | johnx | but then I got used to it and actually like it O_o |
| 06:26.32 | Mikho | hmm, I could use that presumpion to guess what I should do |
| 06:26.46 | johnx | but only in some modes :) |
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| 06:27.20 | Mikho | for example, if I wanted to save, I could try to use the most unlikely key combination possible to quit |
| 06:27.27 | Mikho | like... :w |
| 06:27.37 | johnx | yup |
| 06:27.50 | Mikho | </grumble> |
| 06:27.51 | johnx | I still don't completely remember how to save to a new file :/ |
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| 06:41.57 | beford | is there a way to use clear on maemo xterm' |
| 06:42.14 | johnx | does ctrl+l work? |
| 06:42.43 | beford | yea |
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| 06:44.21 | beford | thanks, i'm guessing its possible to 'simulate' ctrl+l and create a clear sh script, right? |
| 06:44.49 | johnx | I don't know actually |
| 06:45.08 | beford | gonna search |
| 06:45.17 | herwood | good morning |
| 06:45.31 | qwerty12 | Svn of xterm has clear function built in and there is a "clear" binary compiled by locusf |
| 06:45.50 | qwerty12 | s/svn of xterm/svn of osso-xterm/ |
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| 07:05.17 | Mikho | ok, how can I add the user to a group in maemo? |
| 07:05.30 | Mikho | the usermod command is missing the -a option... |
| 07:08.21 | johnx | hmm...I ran into this before |
| 07:08.25 | johnx | let me find it |
| 07:10.28 | herwood | has anybody have any problems with hildon banners? |
| 07:10.31 | Veggen | Mikho: you can always just edit the /etc/group file. |
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| 07:11.25 | Mikho | Veggen, for that, It'd need to create a script in postinst, and that's a bit too much for such a simple operation |
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| 07:15.31 | johnx | Mikho, gpasswd |
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| 07:17.07 | Mikho | johnx, thanks |
| 07:17.12 | Mikho | it's sometimes very hard to google up things like that |
| 07:17.18 | johnx | agreed |
| 07:17.25 | johnx | I asked this same question on here 2 months ago |
| 07:17.32 | johnx | I dug the answer up in my log |
| 07:18.34 | Mikho | oh :) |
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| 07:22.44 | RST38h | Hey, folks, anybody knows how I can *disable* "awesome" FireFox 3.0 address bar so that it works the same way as in 2.0? |
| 07:23.08 | RST38h | The "awesome" version is slow as hell and does not appear to find what I want it to find |
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| 07:25.17 | johnx | if I had to guess, I'd say poke around about:config and look for urlbar maybe? |
| 07:25.46 | RST38h | Found it |
| 07:25.47 | RST38h | browser.urlbar.matchOnlyTyped |
| 07:25.51 | RST38h | set it to true |
| 07:26.09 | johnx | ...though I really like the new bahavior |
| 07:26.17 | johnx | it did take some training of it though |
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| 07:28.38 | RST38h | it is sad to see that they are going the same way as IE7 |
| 07:28.51 | RST38h | they are trying to "fix" things that are not broken |
| 07:29.28 | johnx | yeah, why should they try to make changes? protect the status quo, man! |
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| 07:33.00 | RST38h | I am fine with them making changes |
| 07:33.17 | RST38h | I am *not* fine with the feature creep |
| 07:33.56 | johnx | like what? |
| 07:34.02 | johnx | they've reduced memory usage |
| 07:34.39 | RST38h | I do not see reduced memory usage |
| 07:34.59 | RST38h | I do see that the browser became noticeably slower, especially various XUL UI transitions |
| 07:35.31 | RST38h | Browser currently takes 73MB of memory with 2 tabs open |
| 07:35.34 | RST38h | WinXP |
| 07:36.04 | johnx | I think what was reduced most was memory usage with lots of tabs |
| 07:36.10 | johnx | anyways, back later |
| 07:36.12 | `0660 | the awesome bar seems to a couple of visits to calibrate |
| 07:36.26 | RST38h | I disabled it |
| 07:36.36 | `0660 | i thought it sucked too, but now it seems to behave very well |
| 07:36.46 | RST38h | It still redraws very slowly and shows two lines per URL though |
| 07:37.09 | `0660 | strange |
| 07:37.23 | `0660 | it's very quick here even though the computer is not that new |
| 07:37.43 | RST38h | And why can't I press a navigation arrow to get history any more? |
| 07:38.07 | RST38h | What is the story with these ugly assymetric arrows and a tiny drop down for the history? |
| 07:38.35 | `0660 | why did you update in the first place? |
| 07:38.48 | `0660 | you obviously don't like change at all |
| 07:38.55 | `0660 | :) |
| 07:39.00 | RST38h | Well, I wanted to be a good lemming and hoped it would be improved |
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| 07:39.10 | RST38h | I do not see much improvement-wise, unfortunately |
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| 07:39.38 | RST38h | Slower, has got a bunch of unnecessary misfeatures |
| 07:40.04 | `0660 | maybe there is something wrong with your installation |
| 07:40.13 | RST38h | Doubtful |
| 07:40.25 | RST38h | Aside from it being FireFox 3.0 of course |
| 07:40.34 | `0660 | i've read a few reviews and they all said that the memory usage should be lower now |
| 07:40.45 | RST38h | Ok, how much is your memory usage right now? |
| 07:40.56 | `0660 | 66mb |
| 07:41.04 | RST38h | 88MB here (two tabs) |
| 07:41.14 | `0660 | i have two tabs too |
| 07:41.14 | RST38h | So it is the same or higher than in FF 2.x |
| 07:41.30 | `0660 | though i know that it keeps some of the previously opened pages in the memory |
| 07:41.32 | RST38h | I had 61MB just a few minutes ago, so I guess it is just growing |
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| 07:42.15 | `0660 | i don't think that is too much |
| 07:42.28 | RST38h | it is not, but it is not lower than 2.x |
| 07:42.35 | `0660 | ff 2.0 used to leak like hell |
| 07:42.51 | RST38h | I am pretty sure this trend will continue with 3.x |
| 07:42.58 | `0660 | i hope not |
| 07:43.16 | RST38h | btw, iconizing it and opening it again trims memory to 35MB on WinXP |
| 07:43.38 | RST38h | Well, we can of course hope, but you know how it usually goes... |
| 07:43.42 | `0660 | it probably flushes the previous pages from memory then |
| 07:44.05 | `0660 | not bad |
| 07:44.06 | RST38h | memory trimming on XP was an option in 2.x as well (disabled by default) |
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| 07:45.11 | `0660 | so, are you planning to downgrade anytime soon? |
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| 07:46.02 | RST38h | I will wait for now |
| 07:46.20 | RST38h | I am urgently looking for ways to downgrade certain "features" though |
| 07:46.48 | RST38h | Just dumbed down the address bar, now looking how ot make navigation arrows the same size |
| 07:50.18 | aquatix | RST38h: they are the same size here :/ |
| 07:50.45 | aquatix | rather likes fx3 |
| 07:51.08 | aquatix | the address bar took a bit of getting-used-to, but i quite like it |
| 07:51.14 | RST38h | aquatix: Forward arrow is bigger than backward one |
| 07:51.21 | RST38h | aquatix: What theme are you using? |
| 07:51.28 | aquatix | default |
| 07:51.48 | aquatix | arrows are evenly large on both linux [debian, ubuntu] as on windows xp |
| 07:51.51 | RST38h | disabled the mo#$&^ing "smart" address bar: it kept bringing up dynamically generated GMail URLs |
| 07:52.05 | RST38h | aquatix: No. Definitely not. |
| 07:53.11 | RST38h | aquatix: Default theme: http://mozillalinks.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/firefox_xp.png |
| 07:53.22 | aquatix | uploads screenshot |
| 07:53.23 | aquatix | sec |
| 07:54.38 | aquatix | RST38h: http://aquariusoft.org/gallery/v/screenies/various/firefox_3_winxp.html |
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| 07:55.04 | RST38h | this is not default theme |
| 07:55.15 | aquatix | it is |
| 07:55.21 | RST38h | No |
| 07:55.29 | aquatix | sure |
| 07:55.36 | aquatix | another screenshot? :) |
| 07:55.48 | aquatix | don't mind the blackness, that's just windows |
| 07:55.54 | aquatix | icon theme etc is the default |
| 07:56.08 | RST38h | aquatix: Look at screenshots at http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/features/ |
| 07:56.13 | RST38h | They show the default theme |
| 07:56.29 | RST38h | The theme you have is *not* what 3.0 release ships with |
| 07:57.21 | aquatix | http://aquariusoft.org/gallery/v/screenies/various/firefox_3_winxp_default_theme.html |
| 07:57.26 | aquatix | RST38h: sure is |
| 07:57.37 | aquatix | i don't know why the button isn't as large as the other |
| 07:57.42 | aquatix | maybe it will help you though :) |
| 07:57.47 | aquatix | erm |
| 07:57.51 | aquatix | isn't larger than |
| 07:58.08 | RST38h | weird |
| 07:58.12 | aquatix | but i upgraded from firefox 2 to a beta, and gradually upgraded |
| 07:58.27 | aquatix | this sure is the final, with the default theme |
| 07:58.32 | aquatix | looks in the config |
| 07:58.38 | RST38h | anyway, looking for a way to disable this IEish crap |
| 07:58.54 | RST38h | And just get a pair of same-sized arrows with drop-down history |
| 07:59.00 | aquatix | like mine ;) |
| 07:59.43 | aquatix | oh |
| 07:59.52 | aquatix | RST38h: i moved those buttons to the menu bar btw |
| 08:00.11 | aquatix | maybe that's why |
| 08:00.30 | aquatix | i always move the navigation and address bar to the menu bar and disable the other two bars |
| 08:00.36 | aquatix | like in the screenshot |
| 08:00.49 | aquatix | might be worth a shot ;) |
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| 08:06.08 | hrw | morning |
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| 08:13.31 | RST38h | aquatix: trying... |
| 08:14.18 | RST38h | nope, same shit |
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| 08:26.39 | florian | good morning |
| 08:27.21 | Italodance | hi |
| 08:28.05 | Italodance | the lab of N800 http://www.indt.org |
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| 08:29.56 | aquatix | RST38h: odd |
| 08:30.12 | florian | Italodance: Yes, we should have some INDT people in here :-) |
| 08:31.15 | macoute | do we have? |
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| 08:39.04 | rm_you | yay, back in linux for the first time in months >_< |
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| 08:50.02 | inz | yay |
| 08:50.52 | aquatix | rm_you: heretic! |
| 08:50.57 | aquatix | welcome back :) |
| 08:51.19 | RST38h | killed off all the helpful services Microsoft courteously enabled in SP3 |
| 08:52.20 | RST38h | Microsoft *really* wants inside your computer now |
| 08:52.23 | aquatix | clippy is a service now? |
| 08:52.35 | rm_you | lol |
| 08:52.40 | aquatix | RST38h: and why are you running windows? ;) |
| 08:52.53 | rm_you | gah gotta restart X tho, wine switched video modes and now I only have one screen >_> |
| 08:53.04 | RST38h | aquatix: Because I need to run Windows. |
| 08:53.12 | rm_you | ubuntu was pissing me off recently, so now I'm running pure debian :P |
| 08:53.18 | aquatix | is forced to use windows at work |
| 08:53.25 | aquatix | so i run fullscreen putty |
| 08:53.27 | rm_you | is also forced to use windows at work |
| 08:53.28 | RST38h | aquatix: Clippy is fortunately gone, but it has got a few adult friends now |
| 08:53.36 | rm_you | also runs fullscreen putty |
| 08:53.48 | aquatix | rm_you: :) |
| 08:53.53 | rm_you | RST38h, 18+ rated clippy!? :P |
| 08:54.07 | RST38h | There is PCHealth (remote assitance service) and Security Center (god knows what it does) and Windows Autoupdate which you can't disable because then MS WinUpdate website stops working |
| 08:54.22 | aquatix | rm_you: that might even be an idea ;) |
| 08:54.29 | RST38h | There is someting ominously named Secondary Logon (looks like a universal SUDO service) |
| 08:54.41 | glass_ | RST38h: security center bitches if you have no av or fw installed |
| 08:54.49 | glass_ | RST38h: thats about only thing it does |
| 08:54.55 | RST38h | glass: Well, no longer bitches about anything NOW. |
| 08:55.01 | aquatix | glass_: handy when somehow the windows firewall fails again |
| 08:55.10 | aquatix | RST38h: :) |
| 08:55.24 | RST38h | is still unsure whether he wants to disable Task Scheduler |
| 08:55.27 | aquatix | i hated it when it kept re-enabling windows firewall |
| 08:55.35 | aquatix | i had a 3rd party firewall that's way better |
| 08:55.36 | glass_ | aquatix: running 3rd party firewalls is usually a good way to slow and fuck up your windows |
| 08:55.48 | aquatix | kerio was quite nice back then |
| 08:55.48 | RST38h | has got a firewall inside the router |
| 08:55.55 | RST38h | a lame one, but it does the job |
| 08:55.57 | aquatix | RST38h: firewall or only nat? |
| 08:56.05 | aquatix | i liked to view the outgoing stuff too |
| 08:56.12 | aquatix | like windows services phoning home ;) |
| 08:56.13 | glass_ | i don't like to view outgoing stuff |
| 08:56.18 | rm_you | anyone know how to use xrandr? |
| 08:56.23 | rm_you | I just need to reset my display |
| 08:56.31 | rm_you | it got messed up from Wine switching modes |
| 08:56.36 | glass_ | outgoing stuff i don't want i got blocked in etc hosts |
| 08:56.43 | rm_you | I could just restart X... >_> |
| 08:56.49 | rm_you | didn't want to do that if I can avoid it though |
| 08:56.58 | rm_you | seeing as how this may happen several more times |
| 08:58.36 | RST38h | aquatix: nat+firewall |
| 08:58.49 | RST38h | aquatix: DI-624 is a wonderful little box |
| 08:59.42 | RST38h | True, it is made of recycled plastic (and probably recycled components) and it's web based UI is obviously designed by Chinese university dropouts, but it works! |
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| 09:02.34 | aquatix | :) |
| 09:02.39 | aquatix | has a wrt54g |
| 09:03.24 | RST38h | wanted to buy wrt54g first but the thing looked offensively ugly and (more important) had a hardwired admin password |
| 09:03.36 | aquatix | eh |
| 09:03.39 | aquatix | mine doesn't |
| 09:03.42 | RST38h | it is probably gone now |
| 09:03.43 | aquatix | and it runs dd-wrt |
| 09:03.59 | RST38h | but at that time it raised a mental alarm |
| 09:04.00 | aquatix | and even the default firmware could get another pw |
| 09:04.47 | RST38h | I am sure linksys updated firmware more than once since then |
| 09:04.47 | aquatix | doesn't use it |
| 09:04.52 | aquatix | i use open source firmware on it, with way more possibilities |
| 09:06.07 | RST38h | ah |
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| 09:09.17 | RST38h | but does it run x11? =)~~~ |
| 09:09.27 | aquatix | erm |
| 09:09.34 | aquatix | the thing has 8MB of flash ram |
| 09:09.39 | aquatix | what do you expect :P |
| 09:09.47 | RST38h | hehe |
| 09:09.48 | aquatix | but it has a neat web interface and an sshd |
| 09:10.03 | aquatix | http://www.dd-wrt.com/dd-wrtv3/index.php |
| 09:10.18 | RST38h | cute |
| 09:10.30 | aquatix | yours isn't in the list of supported devices though :/ |
| 09:10.35 | aquatix | http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Supported_Devices#D-Link |
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| 09:24.24 | Italodance | load applet is good for u? |
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| 09:41.27 | rm_you | sweet |
| 09:41.35 | rm_you | johnx: loving a2dp support in debian |
| 09:41.41 | rm_you | that was all of a 5 minute setup |
| 09:41.48 | rm_you | and it works excellently :P |
| 09:41.52 | rm_you | didn't even have to pair, lol |
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| 09:54.55 | lardman | rm_you: should work the same under maemo with johnx's scripts |
| 09:56.02 | rm_you | heh |
| 09:56.10 | rm_you | I did some work with a2dp for a while on n800... |
| 09:56.18 | rm_you | it seems to work decently well now tho |
| 09:56.24 | rm_you | will work better when you get your thing done :P |
| 09:56.35 | lardman | yeah, need to do optimisation |
| 09:56.48 | lardman | I wonder if people would be interested in helping with that? Should I email the list? |
| 09:57.14 | timely | so did everyone get firefox 3? :) |
| 09:57.27 | macoute | i actually got it a sec ago to my vista machine |
| 09:57.36 | timely | RST38h: you could actually use google to read about the back/forward bars |
| 09:57.46 | timely | s/bars/buttons |
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| 09:58.08 | lardman | I've got the beta from a week ago, it's even slower than ff2 on WinXP |
| 09:58.30 | timely | lardman: there was no beta a week ago |
| 09:58.31 | rm_you | timely: I got... iceweasel 3 >_> |
| 09:58.32 | timely | there was an rc... |
| 09:58.45 | macoute | rm_you: its already on backports/testing? |
| 09:58.52 | lardman | timely: that then |
| 09:59.02 | rm_you | heh |
| 09:59.08 | rm_you | macoute: I run Sid |
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| 09:59.31 | macoute | rm_you: yeah |
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| 10:44.26 | EvilGuru | I keep getting a dialogue box saying "Internal error. Application 'E-mail' closed." I click okay, but it just pops up again |
| 10:45.00 | aquatix | gets them too now and then |
| 10:45.20 | EvilGuru | How does one stop them |
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| 10:46.28 | timely | don't run the mail client? :) |
| 10:46.42 | timely | better would be to enable crash reporting and send crash reports |
| 10:46.42 | EvilGuru | I don't think I was |
| 10:46.43 | aquatix | timely: backgrounded service |
| 10:46.46 | timely | then the bugs might be fixed |
| 10:47.17 | EvilGuru | I am ssh'ed in, so if anyone can tell me what the process name is I'll banish it |
| 10:47.20 | timely | aquatix: does it have an icon in task switcher? |
| 10:47.32 | timely | EvilGuru: just use ps, the list isn't very long |
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| 10:47.43 | timely | it'd probably either say 'mail' or 'modest' |
| 10:47.59 | timely | but seriously, do you have /media/mmc1/core-dumps ? |
| 10:48.02 | timely | if not, why not create it? |
| 10:48.22 | timely | instead of complaining about dialogs, you should ask what you can do to help the dialogs not happen in the future |
| 10:48.30 | lardman | and file a bug against the descriptiveness of the error message too |
| 10:48.45 | timely | aquatix: i'm serious though... if the dialog is showing that for an app w/o an icon |
| 10:49.00 | EvilGuru | timely: Normally when I report bug reports, I expect at the very least to have a back-trace, or an exit code |
| 10:49.04 | timely | then a bug should be filed, because it needs to indicate the distinction between something the user is aware of and something the user isn't aware of |
| 10:49.12 | EvilGuru | *file |
| 10:49.15 | timely | EvilGuru: /media/mmc1/core-dumps will give you the core dump |
| 10:49.35 | timely | and dmesg should probably give you the death if you really don't want to use gdb |
| 10:49.49 | EvilGuru | I am fine w/gdb |
| 10:50.14 | timely | you didn't specify a release, which are you using? |
| 10:50.24 | aquatix | timely: agreed |
| 10:50.24 | timely | i'm using something like 0.2007.39-4 |
| 10:50.34 | EvilGuru | Good question. I shall look it up |
| 10:50.40 | timely | aquatix: i still need to know if it was shown in the switcher |
| 10:50.46 | aquatix | /media/mmc1/core-dumps should be a dir? |
| 10:50.48 | aquatix | creates |
| 10:50.48 | timely | it's either a bug or not a bug, and i don't know :) |
| 10:50.54 | aquatix | timely: no, it wasn't |
| 10:51.03 | timely | aquatix: cat /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern |
| 10:51.07 | timely | thinks that's right |
| 10:51.10 | EvilGuru | However, until I can kill whatever is producing the dialogue box, the best I can do is ssh |
| 10:51.22 | aquatix | i come online on wifi, i do some browsing, the `new mail' icon starts flashing and that error appears |
| 10:51.24 | lardman | aquatix: yes it should be a dir |
| 10:51.41 | timely | aquatix: that's in the status bar at the top? |
| 10:51.53 | timely | or the thing at the bottom let flashes, or ... |
| 10:52.01 | aquatix | timely: no, in the open apps menu |
| 10:52.02 | timely | (this platform has way too many indicator locations) |
| 10:52.07 | aquatix | the latter |
| 10:52.28 | timely | aquatix: version question also applies to you |
| 10:52.48 | timely | (and if you're running a modest weekly, you should indicate that ...) |
| 10:53.05 | aquatix | modest weekly |
| 10:53.10 | timely | oh brother |
| 10:53.18 | aquatix | created dir |
| 10:53.25 | timely | and you didn't know about that directory? |
| 10:53.32 | aquatix | nope :) |
| 10:53.36 | aquatix | slap me ;) |
| 10:53.43 | sp3000 | slaps aquatix |
| 10:53.49 | aquatix | sp3000: hey |
| 10:53.53 | aquatix | not you ;) |
| 10:53.56 | timely | are there instructions about this modest weekly? |
| 10:54.06 | timely | sp3000 is more conveniently located to slap you :) |
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| 10:54.17 | atul | Does CPP have XPCOM binding ? |
| 10:54.18 | aquatix | seriously though, i just installed modest, get the weekly releases, but never saw info on that dir |
| 10:54.24 | aquatix | timely: heh |
| 10:54.30 | timely | atul: um, xpcom is built around c++ |
| 10:54.37 | timely | so that's like asking if c++ has a c++ binding |
| 10:55.05 | aquatix | brb |
| 10:55.14 | timely | leaves |
| 10:55.40 | sp3000 | hiccups |
| 10:56.04 | timely | no party for you? |
| 10:56.16 | atul | timely, ok but can I get some documentation for same means How to integrate CPP code into the XULRunner |
| 10:56.23 | sp3000 | not today no :) |
| 10:56.56 | timely | atul: last i checked there was an entire wiki @ developer.mozilla.org |
| 10:56.58 | timely | you could read it |
| 10:57.09 | timely | but really, please don't ask questions about mozilla here |
| 10:57.13 | timely | irc://irc.mozilla.org |
| 10:57.18 | atul | kk |
| 10:57.23 | timely | and read devmo first before asking questions |
| 10:57.40 | timely | you're supposed to sound informed before bothering engineers or sounding like you don't know anything |
| 11:00.48 | atul | timely, hello asking anything is upto me reply or not its upto you who ask you to reply ? |
| 11:01.22 | atul | timely, am not asking any dam questions ? If you dont know keep quite. |
| 11:01.37 | timely | um |
| 11:01.40 | timely | i do know the answers |
| 11:01.51 | timely | but you're asking questions that you should be able to get from reading a book |
| 11:02.13 | timely | it's irritating for people to ask for help when they haven't done even basic research |
| 11:02.30 | timely | i'm here because i work on mozilla and maemo |
| 11:02.58 | aquatix | re |
| 11:03.00 | timely | and yes, you're welcome not to ask anything |
| 11:03.04 | timely | in fact you're encouraged not ot |
| 11:03.07 | timely | s/ot/to |
| 11:03.17 | timely | you should start by joining a channel and only *reading* |
| 11:03.25 | timely | don't ask questions until you understand channel dynamics |
| 11:03.32 | aquatix | pats timely |
| 11:03.43 | aquatix | here's some relaxing tea :) |
| 11:03.44 | timely | goes to a party |
| 11:03.48 | aquatix | ah, have fun! |
| 11:03.49 | atul | timely, hello dont waste your time ok do your work and never help the people its good for your health |
| 11:04.02 | timely | sighs |
| 11:04.13 | aquatix | timely: off to your party, you! |
| 11:04.23 | aquatix | shoves timely out of #maemo ;) |
| 11:04.30 | aquatix | [better for your healthy ;)] |
| 11:04.34 | aquatix | -y |
| 11:04.42 | ranit | cool down guys |
| 11:06.39 | atul | timely, How do you help the person who don't know any thing how he help other haha work on maemo and mozilla did you konw long form of it. |
| 11:07.16 | aquatix | erm |
| 11:07.19 | aquatix | was that english? :) |
| 11:07.44 | trickie | atul: he expects that you will do at least some research yourself... its really easy to find developer documentation for mozilla, just chill and do some googling |
| 11:07.54 | aquatix | atul: what timely meant, was that it's polite to read the channel for a bit and see how things are done here |
| 11:08.02 | aquatix | and what trickie says |
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| 11:08.43 | lcuk | does some random googling and wonders why his eyes pop out |
| 11:08.53 | lcuk | re-enables google safe search ;) |
| 11:08.58 | aquatix | ghehe |
| 11:08.58 | lardman | :) |
| 11:09.10 | atul | trickie, aquatix, After googling and doing other basic stuff then onlly I ask here but that guy is talking fully rubish things so I Reply. |
| 11:09.12 | aquatix | lcuk: it helps not googling on things like `goatse' and such ;) |
| 11:09.13 | lardman | select "web" not "images"..... |
| 11:09.22 | aquatix | lardman: :) |
| 11:09.39 | lcuk | but google now displays an overall search, if theres enough images on a subject it shows a few .. |
| 11:09.42 | aquatix | lcuk: ah, and don't image search on two girls in bath tubs |
| 11:09.51 | lcuk | nothing is safe, what has been seen cannot be unseen and all that |
| 11:09.53 | aquatix | indeed |
| 11:09.53 | trickie | or cups |
| 11:09.57 | EvilGuru | Also, my N810 takes around 5-6 minutes to boot. Most of it on the screen just saying "NOKIA" on a white background. How would I go about diagnosing this |
| 11:10.00 | lcuk | lol @ cups |
| 11:10.03 | aquatix | trickie: erm, or that indeed ;) |
| 11:10.06 | lardman | aquatix: reading your Google suggestions? ;) |
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| 11:10.12 | aquatix | lardman: shush ;) |
| 11:10.26 | EvilGuru | top shows: 116 root RW 0 6 98.8 0.0 pdflush which seems a little odd |
| 11:10.39 | aquatix | ah, pdflush issue |
| 11:10.40 | lcuk | knows all about 2g1c and tubg etc, ive read slash for long enough |
| 11:10.49 | aquatix | lcuk: :) |
| 11:11.13 | aquatix | EvilGuru: now i'm trying to remember where i read more about it |
| 11:11.19 | aquatix | i think there's a bugzilla item on it |
| 11:12.16 | EvilGuru | Few things in the log about it |
| 11:12.56 | lcuk | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2615 |
| 11:13.03 | EvilGuru | boom, fixed, rss reader |
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| 11:16.35 | aquatix | doesn't have trouble with the rss reader |
| 11:16.47 | aquatix | i even use the applet |
| 11:17.00 | lardman | turn off scrolling? |
| 11:17.40 | aquatix | yeah |
| 11:17.46 | aquatix | of course :) |
| 11:17.52 | aquatix | cpu drain :/ |
| 11:18.07 | lardman | bring on OpenGL ;) |
| 11:18.16 | aquatix | :) |
| 11:19.11 | EvilGuru | OpenGL would be neat. Might be able to get Warzone 2100 running on it |
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| 11:19.27 | lcuk | mmmmmmm ogl |
| 11:19.54 | aquatix | nit's *might* need an graphics adapter update for that ;) |
| 11:20.04 | lcuk | ogl would mean i could do my transitions easier |
| 11:20.19 | lcuk | aquatix, we have 3d hardware already.. |
| 11:20.40 | aquatix | hm :) |
| 11:20.42 | lcuk | or you mean for warzone |
| 11:21.23 | aquatix | at least for the latter, but i didn't know current tablets already did have decent 3D hardware |
| 11:21.51 | lcuk | not decent, but certainly able to boost the performance of current |
| 11:22.19 | lardman | plays Quake 3? demo doesn't it? |
| 11:22.24 | lcuk | replace all that cpu rendering work with stuff on chip leaves us moar time to do real work :) |
| 11:23.14 | lardman | probably Quake 2. Here's Quake 1 using the hw: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhmUqk4XDYQ |
| 11:23.30 | lcuk | ok, let me just see something here: there is a driver for symbian which works with this chip. that driver might not be in the required format but its 100% compatible and designed for this hardware |
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| 11:23.41 | aquatix | hm :) |
| 11:24.27 | lcuk | if we had that driver as a binary could we do something similar to how linux wraps windows network drivers |
| 11:25.02 | lardman | better to reverse engineer it, but I'm not sure about the availability of Symbian decompilers |
| 11:25.32 | lcuk | but reverse engineering brings its own complications, im thinking of just using it |
| 11:25.54 | lardman | ah-ha, it was Quake 3: http://www.symbian-freak.com/news/006/12/quake3_n93.htm |
| 11:25.59 | lcuk | and shouldnt the core assembly be the same - since its for the same cpu? |
| 11:26.18 | lardman | The work involved in wrapping the driver will be worse than reversing it I'd guess |
| 11:26.26 | aquatix | *nod* |
| 11:26.29 | lcuk | ie any dis should work? or is it the eabi or whatever which handles callstack organisation etc |
| 11:26.31 | glass_ | decompiling the symbian drivers.. |
| 11:26.33 | aquatix | i would guess so |
| 11:26.34 | glass_ | just forget about it, ok? |
| 11:26.42 | lardman | depends if it loads some sort of binary blob, that could be copied across |
| 11:26.43 | lcuk | is just throwing things in the air |
| 11:26.43 | aquatix | glass_: :) |
| 11:27.02 | lardman | glass_: why's that? |
| 11:27.22 | glass_ | lardman: debugging your own programs is pain enough |
| 11:27.29 | lardman | lcuk: you need to be able to interpret what the instructions do, and also the form of the binary calls |
| 11:27.49 | lardman | glass_: sure, but what's life without a challenge :) |
| 11:28.29 | glass_ | lardman: for most people just getting a helloworld compiled and put to phone is enough challange |
| 11:28.37 | glass_ | but anyways |
| 11:28.39 | lcuk | might make a random program to poke pvr address space |
| 11:28.55 | lardman | ph5: has already done that |
| 11:28.58 | glass_ | you could try figuring out the fw of the nokia updater things first |
| 11:29.06 | lcuk | theres already a test init program somewhere isnt there |
| 11:29.22 | glass_ | theres jailbreak for 3rd eds now though |
| 11:30.08 | lardman | anyone happen to have the symbian driver lying around? |
| 11:30.36 | lcuk | likes it when discussions turn practical |
| 11:30.43 | glass_ | nope |
| 11:31.27 | RST38h | 4fgVSFDGXDJDSRAJZE5R~SJIZ6SWRRRRRREEESSSSSSSSSSSSS V |
| 11:31.47 | aquatix | RST38h: and the user? |
| 11:31.50 | glass_ | i'd reckon you'd need allfiles capability to get to the file, if it's a seperate file even, on symbian |
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| 11:32.44 | lardman | I don't know much about symbian drivers, last time I looked was on the Psion Series 5 |
| 11:32.56 | lardman | Does this allfiles thing allow you to browse the full fs? |
| 11:33.03 | glass_ | almost full |
| 11:33.04 | pekuja | ~/away |
| 11:33.07 | pekuja | oops |
| 11:33.14 | glass_ | but you need jailbreak or nokias devcerts to get it |
| 11:33.38 | glass_ | or somehow unpack the fw blob the updater uses |
| 11:33.54 | RST38h | aquatix: the user has been severely punished |
| 11:34.20 | RST38h | glass: AllFiles is full afaik |
| 11:34.34 | RST38h | But nobody has legally obtained the capability so far |
| 11:34.39 | glass_ | RST38h: theres some files you'd need tcb for |
| 11:34.44 | RST38h | It is pretty much restricted to Nokia |
| 11:34.48 | RST38h | glass: Oh, yes, those |
| 11:34.56 | glass_ | it's possible to get all -tcb caps... |
| 11:35.03 | glass_ | you just need to know the right people... |
| 11:35.11 | glass_ | and bitch for months on end |
| 11:35.15 | RST38h | glass: you can probably get AllFiles then |
| 11:35.15 | lardman | I don't even have one of these phones |
| 11:35.24 | glass_ | mmf dll's need all-tcb to be loaded by the system |
| 11:35.26 | RST38h | lardman: what do you have? |
| 11:35.27 | lardman | Who should one speak to? Who has one, and who knows what to do? |
| 11:35.34 | lcuk | lardman, look here http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6023095418.html benchmarks with powervr on LINUX panasonic phones (and comparison with symbian) |
| 11:35.35 | RST38h | gloss: #^%$ |
| 11:35.39 | lardman | I've got a Nokia 6300i iirc |
| 11:35.45 | glass_ | lardman: i could help with some stuff as long as it doesn't step too much on my nda's |
| 11:36.19 | lardman | glass_: If you could get me a file system image, or simply the driver, that would be interesting; but that may not be possible for you to do |
| 11:36.33 | glass_ | lardman: my card says symbian specialist.. but i'm not a decompile/hack guy |
| 11:36.51 | aquatix | has a sony ericsson m600i |
| 11:36.55 | lardman | I only want the file, don't worry |
| 11:36.59 | aquatix | no idea whether it uses relevant hw? |
| 11:37.14 | glass_ | m600i doesn't have the powervr afaik |
| 11:37.16 | lcuk | lardman, might not be necessary - i wonder whether getting one of the phones mentioned will have binaries available |
| 11:37.17 | glass_ | not enabled anyways |
| 11:37.17 | lardman | lcuk: interesting |
| 11:37.31 | glass_ | the linux panasonic phone would be a good start i guess |
| 11:37.41 | lardman | one of the Nokia phones would be better as it used the omap2420 too |
| 11:37.52 | lardman | s/used/uses |
| 11:38.08 | hrw | http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/06/17/choosing-next-cellphone/ |
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| 11:39.09 | lardman | e.g. N82, N95, N96 all use omap2420 afaik |
| 11:39.13 | aquatix | glass_: ah, k |
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| 11:39.33 | glass_ | lardman: n93/n93i have the hw 3d too at least |
| 11:39.45 | glass_ | n96 doesnt have |
| 11:39.49 | glass_ | it's different platform |
| 11:39.52 | lardman | glass_: ah ok |
| 11:39.54 | glass_ | diff cpu speed too |
| 11:39.59 | glass_ | and it's not in shops yet |
| 11:40.06 | aquatix | ah, the m600i uses the Philips Nexperia PNX4008 chip which in turn uses the MBX lite 3D core |
| 11:40.07 | lardman | that's not a problem, just that the omap is the same |
| 11:40.07 | glass_ | and it's only forte is the dvb-h really.. |
| 11:40.28 | lardman | so, that's presumably not open source :) |
| 11:41.32 | lardman | too much indirection, if you're going to look at something it may as well be as close to what you've got as possible |
| 11:41.44 | lcuk | agrees |
| 11:47.33 | RST38h | gloss: and |
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| 11:48.23 | RST38h | sorry |
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| 11:54.04 | lardman | no takers then :) |
| 11:56.12 | RST38h | hrw: Just buy yourself an S60 based phone and forget about it |
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| 12:01.19 | hrw | ;D |
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| 12:03.53 | RST38h | it's pretty much the only sane choice at the moment |
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| 12:04.35 | RST38h | WinMobile is too gross, UIQ is ok but usually comes with buggy firmwares, iPhone is very cute but causes permanent psychiatric damage |
| 12:04.41 | RST38h | Which leaves us with S60 |
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| 12:10.10 | aquatix | is happy with his uiq3 phone |
| 12:10.33 | aquatix | waiting for sony ericsson's p5 [codename paris] |
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| 12:14.42 | RST38h | has got a Moto Z8 for debugging - nice but so buggy |
| 12:15.05 | RST38h | And, judging from UIQ3 users' reports, SE phones are not much better =( |
| 12:16.07 | glass_ | is z8 still as slow as on release? |
| 12:22.25 | RST38h | I dunno - I have engineering firmware |
| 12:22.32 | RST38h | It does not feel slow though, just buggy |
| 12:24.31 | GAN800 | X-Fade, ping. |
| 12:24.43 | X-Fade | GAN800: pong |
| 12:24.56 | GAN800 | I'm assuming you saw https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3252 |
| 12:25.29 | GAN800 | I've shown up as 127.0.0.1 when I forget to login. |
| 12:26.23 | X-Fade | GAN800: Is that when you edit over http? |
| 12:26.35 | GAN800 | Good question. |
| 12:26.45 | X-Fade | I think that it maybe is the because of the proxy in front of it. |
| 12:27.00 | GAN800 | Seems likely, but I couldn't tell you without testing. |
| 12:27.12 | X-Fade | Would really help if you could test that ;) |
| 12:27.43 | X-Fade | But I have now blocked 127.0.0.1, so perhaps this point is already fixed ;) |
| 12:28.03 | X-Fade | Well, not fixed, but at least it shouldn't show up. |
| 12:28.15 | GAN800 | So I guess the effect will be blocking anaonymous edits iver http. |
| 12:28.37 | GAN800 | I'll test as soon as I get out of bed and onto a real machine. |
| 12:28.39 | X-Fade | I have been deleting spam again.. |
| 12:28.50 | GAN800 | I saw |
| 12:29.23 | GAN800 | I was pondering over blocking anonymous edits last night. |
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| 12:29.45 | X-Fade | I have been talking with Dave about it. He was also thinking of doing that. |
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| 12:30.54 | GAN800 | On the one hand, it does rather significantly up the barrier to entry, which can bad for getting new users involved. On the other, we just don't have the manpower to police things all the time. |
| 12:31.11 | GAN800 | andre____, ping. |
| 12:31.22 | X-Fade | GAN800: Well, let's see what blocking 127.0.0.1 does. |
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| 12:45.00 | RST38h | Hehe, a rendering bug in FF3! |
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| 12:56.09 | dneary | Can someone update the topic with a link to the logo competition, please? |
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| 12:56.21 | dneary | ChanServ: op dneary |
| 12:56.22 | GAN800 | X-Fade, http == 127.0.0.1 and https == real IP. The issue with blocking 127.0.0.1 as opposed to just disallowing anonymous edits is that it will show up to people like they've been banned. |
| 12:56.44 | GAN800 | You can just add it. |
| 12:57.37 | X-Fade | GAN800: Hmm well, it does it's job :) |
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| 12:58.01 | inz | dneary, no +t on this channel |
| 12:58.05 | X-Fade | GAN800: But I agree we need to fix it. |
| 12:58.06 | florian | thought he had the power to do so... |
| 12:58.50 | *** topic/#maemo by dneary -> Development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets | http://maemo.org | http://freedesktop.org/Software/sbox2/Maemo | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | http://www.gronmayer.com/it | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook | Quim Gil's talk at LinuxTag http://www.archive.org/details/QuimGil-MaemoLinuxtag2008Update | https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | https://wiki.maemo.org/maemo.org_logo_contest |
| 12:58.57 | GAN800 | Fair enough. It may confuse people, though, and does mention your name directly. :P |
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| 12:59.20 | andre____ | GAN800, pong |
| 12:59.40 | liw | any garage.maemo.org admins here? I want to remove my account and the web UI doesn't seem to enable me to do that |
| 12:59.42 | X-Fade | GAN800: Yeah, it does. I'll ask Ferenc if we can prevent this. |
| 13:00.54 | X-Fade | GAN800: Or we should discuss if we make the wiki read only for anonymous. |
| 13:01.08 | GAN800 | andre____, if Nokia does want Map bugs, can we get a real component? |
| 13:01.32 | andre____ | GAN800, sure, that's on my map |
| 13:02.01 | andre____ | (well, i can't say "they want", but it's definitely not that they don't want them :) |
| 13:02.02 | GAN800 | X-Fade, we should probably discuss it. We might be able to save Ferenc a little time and effort. |
| 13:03.13 | GAN800 | andre____, it was a bit of a 'thing' when OS2008 came out, 'Map' pretty much sucked, and Nokia didn't seem to want bugs on it. |
| 13:04.17 | andre____ | GAN800, understand. but not caring doesn't fix things so we'll change that from now on :) |
| 13:04.24 | GAN800 | X-Fade, the midgard wiki didn't allow anonymous edits, right? |
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| 13:56.04 | oilinki3 | are you going to participate to maemo logo competition? |
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| 13:56.24 | summatusmentis | who is 'you' ? |
| 13:57.45 | oilinki3 | summatusmentis: anyone in the channel |
| 13:58.44 | oilinki3 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_logo_contest |
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| 13:59.58 | summatusmentis | I think some people are... I for one, and not |
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| 14:02.05 | summatusmentis | although... the prize is nice :) |
| 14:02.29 | oilinki3 | I might give it a try |
| 14:03.03 | summatusmentis | I suck hard at graphic design |
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| 14:03.29 | oilinki3 | me too. that's why it could be original enought :) |
| 14:07.51 | hrw | http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Upload tells me that my IP is 127.0.0.1 - fun |
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| 14:08.38 | aquatix | hrw: it's right you know ;) |
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| 14:12.31 | GAN8001 | hrw, use https |
| 14:12.35 | GAN8001 | Or just login. |
| 14:12.56 | hrw | sure |
| 14:13.09 | GAN8001 | hrw, the discussion on that subject is about 4 pages up in the scrollback. :P |
| 14:13.12 | hrw | ok |
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| 14:43.04 | JasonWoof | I just got scratchbox and maemosdk set up. I'm trying to build something that uses libvorbis. is there samething I can "apt-get install ..." to provide libvorbis devel? |
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| 14:56.51 | script | will someone stop emailing me about logo contest please? |
| 14:57.00 | script | just got the 7th mail |
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| 14:57.44 | GAN8001 | Who is emailing you? :\ |
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| 14:58.39 | RST38h | a mailer? |
| 14:58.48 | summatusmentis | and what's your email address? I'll... take you off the list? >_> |
| 15:00.05 | summatusmentis | JasonWoof: I'm not sure how scratchbox/maemosdk work, but you could try apt-cache search libvorbis |
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| 15:00.23 | summatusmentis | that'll tell you all the packages that match libvorbis |
| 15:00.28 | GAN8001 | rm_you, ping. |
| 15:00.43 | JasonWoof | summatusmentis: yeah, I did that without the "lib" |
| 15:00.59 | JasonWoof | summatusmentis: perhaps I need another repository in my /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:01.19 | JasonWoof | I also did "apt-cache search ogg" |
| 15:03.14 | summatusmentis | JasonWoof: oh, ok... then I have no idea |
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| 15:03.44 | JasonWoof | summatusmentis: thanks anyway |
| 15:05.42 | RS_Asleep | Just a quick question. The old man has noticed that his N800 acts a bit strange sometimes. As far as I understand it, he awakes it from the screen going blank and it shows OS for a few seconds then the screen goes blank, comes back on, goes off, comes back on and all is well again. Anyone else seen or heard about this? |
| 15:06.04 | hrw | heh.. I just flashed initfs by mistake ;( |
| 15:06.48 | GAN8001 | RS_Asleep, Bluetooth keyboard? |
| 15:07.00 | RS_Asleep | No, no bluetooth :) |
| 15:07.51 | RS_Asleep | I've not seen it myself so I can't be too specific at the moment. But looking on Google, I can't see anything like what I described. |
| 15:08.27 | GAN8001 | OS2008's dsme/mce is a bit funky |
| 15:08.37 | RS_Asleep | dsme/mce? |
| 15:08.54 | GAN8001 | Mine doesn't always blank very gracefully when locking |
| 15:08.57 | GAN8001 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Codenames |
| 15:09.22 | RS_Asleep | Ahh |
| 15:09.41 | GAN8001 | Personally, it's not something I would worry too much over. |
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| 15:09.58 | RS_Asleep | Well, I guess if it was there'd be more google results :D |
| 15:10.02 | RS_Asleep | Ta very much :) |
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| 15:21.39 | lopz | hi |
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| 15:31.34 | script | and another mail ... |
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| 15:32.30 | Zmiko | i Finally bought a NIT |
| 15:32.46 | Zmiko | im so excited |
| 15:34.48 | Mousey | that is exciting. i remember feeling like that |
| 15:34.56 | aquatix | uh-huh |
| 15:34.58 | aquatix | congrats ;) |
| 15:35.11 | Stskeeps | i was more surprised when my gf picked it up and started playing with it too |
| 15:35.12 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 15:35.18 | aquatix | :) |
| 15:35.26 | aquatix | `yes, that's linux' |
| 15:35.28 | aquatix | `neat!' |
| 15:35.37 | Stskeeps | my gf's polish so linux isn't completely unknown to her :P |
| 15:35.55 | Mousey | thinks . o O ( he polishes his girlfriend? ) |
| 15:36.12 | Zmiko | lol |
| 15:37.20 | aquatix | :) |
| 15:37.24 | aquatix | goes home |
| 15:37.47 | derf | Maybe his gf is one of these http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25209226/ |
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| 15:38.20 | Stskeeps | no, but it sounds like a good replacement |
| 15:38.20 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 15:40.53 | RST38h | derf: But does she bring beer? =) |
| 15:46.40 | RST38h | is thin blue line at the bottom of FF3 load progress bar a bug? |
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| 15:48.51 | luogni | is it normal that garage is sending "maemo logo competition" mails every hour? (16:50, 17:50, 18:50 ....) |
| 15:49.20 | GAN8001 | luogni, unlikely. |
| 15:49.22 | GAN8001 | File a bug? |
| 15:49.56 | luogni | GAN8001: ok, just wanted to report here before it spams everyone :) |
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| 15:55.35 | script | 10 logo-competition mails .... |
| 15:55.37 | script | and growing |
| 15:56.17 | script | i guess that will be a pretty pretty pretty nice logo ;) |
| 15:56.25 | Disconnect | ...yah me too. was just coming in to ask about that. |
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| 15:57.19 | timeless | ping |
| 15:57.36 | timeless | i've now received 4 copies of a maemo.org logo competion announcement |
| 15:57.40 | timeless | i've received them hourly |
| 15:57.51 | timeless | am i going to get a copy every hour until i nuke maemo.org? |
| 15:57.53 | kulve | timeless: as you can see from the backlog, so has everybody else |
| 15:58.01 | Robot101 | yeah its awesome |
| 15:58.01 | johnx | someone fails at cron? |
| 15:58.23 | johnx | at least gmail seems to be putting them all under one heading for me... |
| 15:58.26 | timeless | has anyone tried unsubscribing? |
| 15:58.30 | timeless | johnx: yep |
| 15:58.37 | timeless | but it still lights up my label every hour |
| 15:58.55 | johnx | yeah, and my n800 is blinking away at me :/ |
| 15:59.08 | timeless | heh |
| 15:59.44 | RST38h | evil evil |
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| 16:00.54 | GAN800 | and X-Fade's dead. |
| 16:01.03 | johnx | GAN800, dramatic much? |
| 16:01.11 | GAN800 | uh? |
| 16:01.20 | johnx | dead? or just AFK? |
| 16:01.45 | GAN800 | afk, dead what's the difference? |
| 16:01.57 | johnx | wait...and why in the world would this kind of a one time announcement be in cron...? |
| 16:01.58 | GAN800 | Joke, johnx, chill out. ;) |
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| 16:02.34 | johnx | GAN800, yeah...just caught me off guard |
| 16:03.22 | RST38h | GAN: He is not only dead but has managed to die on the SEND button |
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| 16:05.01 | Blastur | any news on diablo release date? |
| 16:05.11 | timeless | no |
| 16:05.16 | johnx | Blastur, yeah...it gets delayed when people ask O_o |
| 16:05.24 | timeless | johnx++ |
| 16:05.31 | johnx | probably around 2011 at this point :/ |
| 16:05.43 | Blastur | sorry :) |
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| 16:06.04 | Blastur | i just reeally need that AGPS support |
| 16:06.05 | johnx | no problem, you just have to answer the next guy who asks |
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| 16:09.35 | Stskeeps | johnx: so what are the next stages of debian? :) |
| 16:10.01 | johnx | modularity, openness and "doing it right" |
| 16:10.06 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 16:10.08 | johnx | doesn't that sound lovely? :P |
| 16:10.22 | RST38h | you forgot "democracy" |
| 16:10.24 | timeless | johnx: where's that from? |
| 16:10.26 | Stskeeps | it sounds like something my boss would say, and throw in flickr and mashup |
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| 16:10.59 | johnx | timeless, this is specifically "debian for NITs" |
| 16:11.04 | summatusmentis | johnx: are you gonna web2.0 debian? |
| 16:11.12 | johnx | summatusmentis, until it hurts |
| 16:11.18 | summatusmentis | good |
| 16:11.24 | RST38h | johnx: really deserves a name now |
| 16:11.29 | GAN800 | Web 2.0 or it sux |
| 16:11.31 | RST38h | it has progressed too far |
| 16:11.35 | johnx | RS_Asleep, debian-nit |
| 16:11.42 | hircus | anyone knows if and when Maemo SDKs will use Scratchbox 1.2? |
| 16:11.55 | johnx | actually, I think it's nit-debian :/ |
| 16:11.57 | RST38h | DebianIT! |
| 16:12.00 | summatusmentis | mashup's aren't complete until they're AJAX-ified |
| 16:12.04 | hircus | the randomizing VDSO problem is getting real annoying, now that both Fedora and Debian kernels ship w/o the compatibility mode bits |
| 16:12.19 | hircus | (so the sysctl trick is not usable anymore) |
| 16:12.58 | RST38h | Hurrah! I have found an FF3 theme with same-sized arrow buttons! |
| 16:13.06 | timeless | hircus: hopefully maemo will switch to sbox 2.0 |
| 16:13.12 | timeless | but you'll know when it's announced |
| 16:13.17 | johnx | anyways, the marketing speak roughly translates to: tablet specific packages instead of rootfs tarballs, more people working on it who aren't me, and fewer hacks |
| 16:13.17 | timeless | and until then no one will know |
| 16:13.48 | summatusmentis | johnx: tablet specific packages? meaning, what? |
| 16:14.13 | Stskeeps | johnx: and an installer that creates packages from "needed" bits from initfs/firmware and installs on the installed image i guess |
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| 16:14.16 | johnx | summatusmentis, a "sound support" package that will copy stuff over from OS2008 when installed, etc |
| 16:14.20 | RST38h | johnx: a kind of compatibility layer to run debian stuff inside OS2008? |
| 16:14.26 | hircus | timeless: heh. not as if this is a trade secret, unlike OS releases |
| 16:14.28 | summatusmentis | johnx: oooh! :) |
| 16:14.40 | johnx | RST38h, that's not on my list. Talk to qole on ITT for that |
| 16:14.50 | timeless | hircus: um.. in general things are announced |
| 16:14.53 | timeless | until that no one knows |
| 16:15.06 | hircus | timeless: yes, but you can announce it in advance of the switch |
| 16:15.07 | timeless | once they're announced, they either happen according to the announcement, or they don't |
| 16:15.15 | timeless | sure, but that's still the announcement |
| 16:15.24 | hircus | maybe even get people to beta-test running the SDK on a new Scratchbox |
| 16:15.25 | timeless | if someone knew, they'd make an announcement |
| 16:15.35 | hircus | sure, ok. we're just quibbling over words |
| 16:15.35 | summatusmentis | RST38h: chroot is pretty close, otherwise, you're looking to hildon-ize debian packages |
| 16:16.08 | hircus | anyway, apart from random errors that so far can be ignored (or patched out), it's still working enough |
| 16:16.24 | timeless | sighs |
| 16:16.34 | timeless | i just had an uninstaller decide to delete 3 unrelated applications |
| 16:16.34 | RST38h | johnx: aha |
| 16:16.38 | timeless | it was doing me a big favor |
| 16:19.34 | Robot101 | are there (m)any DAAp clients for Maemo? |
| 16:19.45 | Stskeeps | johnx: i could work on a on-device installer atleast and adding in packages.. my expertise isn't (yet) to make deb packages and apt-get repositories |
| 16:19.48 | Robot101 | DAAP, even |
| 16:19.53 | Stskeeps | but should read up on that |
| 16:20.01 | timeless | thumbs downs qgil's maemo logo item |
| 16:20.14 | johnx | Stskeeps, that would be great |
| 16:20.20 | johnx | Stskeeps, mind if I PM you? |
| 16:20.23 | Stskeeps | go ahead |
| 16:21.16 | summatusmentis | timeless: will we get to see the logos? |
| 16:22.55 | timeless | summatusmentis: i'm just expressing my annoyance at being spammed hourly |
| 16:23.01 | timeless | using planet's thumb down feature :) |
| 16:23.06 | summatusmentis | oh, well, yes :) |
| 16:23.19 | summatusmentis | I haven't gotten anything hourly, I did get one though |
| 16:23.41 | timeless | i have 4, and gmail says they were 1 every hour |
| 16:24.21 | summatusmentis | see, there's no way I'm going to be able to compete with that! |
| 16:24.38 | summatusmentis | we don't have to keep the current color scheme do we? |
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| 16:24.55 | timeless | shrugs |
| 16:24.59 | timeless | i'm not going to read the contest |
| 16:25.16 | timeless | i will say that anyone designing a contest needs to: |
| 16:25.19 | summatusmentis | hrm... I'm not sure I'll submit anything, but I kinda want to win :) |
| 16:25.31 | timeless | 1. require submissions for icons (256x, 128x, 64x, 32x, 16x) |
| 16:25.56 | timeless | 2. read the other contest rules used by other groups (there are ~5 that i've encountered recently while gooogling) |
| 16:26.17 | timeless | 3. require a scalable base format (SVG or something like it) |
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| 16:28.31 | summatusmentis | also, I really kinda can't stand inkscape |
| 16:28.33 | summatusmentis | :) |
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| 16:29.30 | timeless | paintshoppro had a vector graphic builder |
| 16:29.40 | timeless | so did microsoft (image composer?) |
| 16:30.18 | summatusmentis | that assumes I have either of those :) |
| 16:30.25 | timeless | um, not really |
| 16:30.28 | timeless | it assumes you can get them |
| 16:30.33 | summatusmentis | well, ok, fair enough |
| 16:30.35 | timeless | i know for a fact that psp can be downloaded |
| 16:30.36 | lucidblu1 | hey all! Quick question, maybe this is off topic, but I put gpodder on my n800, and it's great, but I'd love if it saved a position when I exited the media player... any ideas on one that does? |
| 16:30.43 | timeless | and i'm 99% certain wine can run both of them |
| 16:30.47 | timeless | (wine 1.0!) |
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| 16:32.17 | summatusmentis | hmmm... I'll have to think on this :) |
| 16:32.38 | timeless | image composer 1.5 can be found using bittorrent ... |
| 16:32.53 | timeless | note that mic was actually free |
| 16:32.59 | timeless | unlike some other random microsoft apps |
| 16:33.05 | timeless | which are probably non-free |
| 16:33.11 | timeless | (note to be confused w/ debian/non-free) |
| 16:34.01 | timeless | http://graphicssoft.about.com/od/whathappenedto/Whatever_Happened_To_Discontinued_and_Abandoned_Graphics_Software.htm |
| 16:34.03 | timeless | is interesting |
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| 16:36.03 | pekuja | "And what happened to "electronic arts corp." and did someone purchase the rights to their software, if so who and if it was a large corp that produces graphic programs, shame on them for suppressing the re-release of dpaint and sad for the consumer to miss the most intuitive graphics program ever published." |
| 16:36.19 | pekuja | how can somebody ask "What happened to Electronic Arts?" |
| 16:37.00 | pekuja | that question is regarding Deluxe Paint |
| 16:37.06 | timeless | pekuja: it makes sense in context |
| 16:37.18 | timeless | it's like asking what happened to Nokia the Rubber Boots maker |
| 16:37.34 | timeless | i can't find any new Nokia Rubber Boots |
| 16:38.27 | timeless | just because a company exists by the same name doesn't mean it's really the same company |
| 16:38.36 | timeless | image going to sleep under a rock in the 60s |
| 16:38.42 | timeless | you wake up asking about Apple |
| 16:38.46 | timeless | you mean apple records |
| 16:38.49 | RST38h | timeless: Hasn't it become Nokian the rubbery tires maker? =) |
| 16:39.03 | timeless | you find out that there's another Apple doing business |
| 16:39.08 | timeless | but it isn't the Apple you knew |
| 16:39.26 | mgedmin | remembers deluxe paint fondly |
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| 16:39.35 | timeless | remembers deluxe paint too |
| 16:39.38 | glass_ | rubber business has been seperate for decades or so |
| 16:39.45 | glass_ | deluxe paint II |
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| 16:39.50 | glass_ | and palette cycle! |
| 16:39.53 | timeless | glass_: oh sure, but it works as an example |
| 16:40.15 | glass_ | timeless: my fave company on that regard is daewoo, assault rifles, cars, washing machines |
| 16:40.18 | timeless | another more current one would be the Nokia that makes cellular tower stuff |
| 16:40.24 | timeless | glass_: heh |
| 16:40.30 | RST38h | glass: Korean and Japanese companies are often like that |
| 16:40.34 | timeless | or what happened to TrollTech... |
| 16:40.37 | glass_ | RST38h: yeah |
| 16:40.39 | timeless | they're no longer a company :) |
| 16:40.54 | RST38h | glass: They are huge conglomerates with a lot of government participation, pretty much what Russia is now creating |
| 16:40.55 | glass_ | timeless: nsn is still more part in the sense that it's under the same ownership |
| 16:41.08 | mgedmin | oookay, I got four email announcements about the maemo logo competition |
| 16:41.11 | timeless | glass_: kinda but yeah |
| 16:41.16 | mgedmin | isn't that a bit excessive |
| 16:41.17 | timeless | megedmin: yeah, we're complaining here |
| 16:41.20 | timeless | they're hourly |
| 16:41.22 | glass_ | timeless: but the rubber stuff was totally seperated in that sense too |
| 16:41.26 | timeless | wait an hour, you shoudl get a fifth :) |
| 16:41.43 | glass_ | dunno about cable biz |
| 16:42.17 | johnx | heh...makes me think of LG and Sumitomo group |
| 16:42.23 | glass_ | lucky goldstar! |
| 16:42.33 | glass_ | i wish they used that name |
| 16:42.40 | summatusmentis | timeless: do you just use gmail directly? |
| 16:42.47 | johnx | glass_, yup! washers, phones, cosmetics, laptops |
| 16:42.56 | timeless | summatusmentis: um,, i use at least half a dozen gmail interfaces |
| 16:43.02 | timeless | i use the gmail java client on my e61i |
| 16:43.07 | glass_ | lucky goldstar is so engrish it rocks |
| 16:43.10 | glass_ | lg is just lg.. |
| 16:43.19 | timeless | i use mail/x, mail/h, mail/?ui=1, mail/?ui=2 |
| 16:43.31 | timeless | and i'm using imap (?) on my iPod touch |
| 16:44.00 | timeless | i generally stay away from imap w/ gmail |
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| 16:44.06 | timeless | as it really can't do what i need/want |
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| 16:44.55 | sladen | could somebody please tell the maemo list-admin that it's only necessary to send the Logo spam once, not three times. kthxbye |
| 16:45.17 | summatusmentis | interesting... I just started popping all my other email accounts to my gmail, and am doing a test on using gmail as my primary interface |
| 16:45.28 | timeless | sladen: the list admin is probably at the nokia summer party |
| 16:45.32 | timeless | or the nokia summer after party |
| 16:45.36 | timeless | don't ask me why i'm here instead |
| 16:45.44 | timeless | but yes, we're all quite annoyed |
| 16:45.52 | timeless | except it seems the list shorted you one copy |
| 16:45.55 | timeless | most of us got 4 |
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| 16:47.08 | timeless | summatusmentis: i've given up on anything that isn't gmail for mail |
| 16:47.23 | timeless | i really really wanted gmail for corp mail, but haven't figured out how to get it :(~ |
| 16:47.43 | summatusmentis | timeless: well, my school makes us use theirs, and I've got an old email account that too many people have for me to stop using |
| 16:48.51 | summatusmentis | got one copy |
| 16:48.55 | timeless | .forward :) |
| 16:49.57 | RST38h | timeless: Nokia will never allow |
| 16:50.07 | timeless | rst38h: eh? |
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| 16:50.15 | RST38h | timeless: You are working for nokia, right? |
| 16:50.26 | timeless | yes |
| 16:50.36 | MangoFusion | old email accounts. youch. |
| 16:50.54 | timeless | rst38h: actually, i know you're wrong :) |
| 16:50.58 | RST38h | knows that if he even *mentioned* forwarding corporate mail to a gmail account, Intel would crucify him |
| 16:51.00 | timeless | i just don't know how to get into the trial |
| 16:51.07 | timeless | oh, i don't mean .forward |
| 16:51.13 | timeless | that was to the uni comment |
| 16:51.26 | MangoFusion | pity you can't just send a new vcard with "Hey there, look at my neat new email address which will be replacing the old one" |
| 16:51.30 | MangoFusion | ;) |
| 16:51.32 | timeless | and wrt people forwarding to gmail, i've heard rumors of people doing that :) |
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| 16:51.54 | RST38h | timeless: gross violation of just about any corporate security policy |
| 16:51.56 | timeless | that's why i buy domains and give our forwardings instead |
| 16:52.09 | timeless | rst38h: hey, i don't do it, i don't recommend it, i don't support it |
| 16:52.13 | timeless | i just don't say it doesn't happen |
| 16:52.17 | RST38h | ah |
| 16:52.18 | timeless | because it probably does :) |
| 16:52.24 | RST38h | guess so... |
| 16:52.31 | timeless | the .forward recommendation (to be clear) was for people w/ uni accounts |
| 16:52.53 | RST38h | you can also instruct GMail to poll using POP3 |
| 16:54.37 | Veggen | RST38h: violations or not - if there's too strict, too bureaucreatic or too lousy internal sertvices, people *will* go to places like google mail for mail, google docs for colloboration, etc.... |
| 16:54.50 | Veggen | (eh, services) |
| 16:54.53 | summatusmentis | RST38h: that's what I'm doing, popping all my accounts to GMail |
| 16:55.47 | RST38h | Veggen: in most cases, "internal services" = Outlook |
| 16:55.55 | Veggen | I know. |
| 16:55.57 | RST38h | + Exchange. So you are pretty much locked in |
| 16:56.35 | RST38h | summa: I am kind of afraid to keep important stuff at GMail... |
| 16:56.45 | Veggen | mm. So people will tell the people they communicate with to use their gmail account instead. |
| 16:56.48 | timeless | good for you |
| 16:56.53 | timeless | i'm afraid to keep my mail in exchange |
| 16:57.04 | timeless | my laptop has disk space issues |
| 16:57.06 | RST38h | timeless: well, it is not mine, it is corporate |
| 16:57.20 | RST38h | if corporation loses it, it is not my problem |
| 16:57.21 | timeless | and i think it just ate my inbox |
| 16:57.43 | RST38h | Veggen: this is acutally also a policy violation |
| 16:57.53 | timeless | kills outlook.exe and goes to see if it survived |
| 16:58.04 | Veggen | RST38h: of course. But it'll happen anyways. |
| 16:58.14 | timeless | oh how nice |
| 16:58.23 | timeless | someone used a broken bugzilla to cc everyone in bugzilla |
| 16:58.23 | RST38h | grew back? |
| 16:58.45 | Veggen | RST38h: Myself, I *don't* do it, but people do, and will continue to do so. |
| 17:00.00 | RST38h | Veggen: Well, as you can't tell that to all of your coworkers and they still send you Word-formatted attachments etc, so you drop back to Outlook =( |
| 17:00.11 | timeless | hrm, i got an update about a service i don't remember using |
| 17:00.19 | timeless | i won't if i can ask it to speak English |
| 17:00.20 | summatusmentis | RST38h: it's nothing terribly important, but it's how our University spams everyone on campus about things |
| 17:00.26 | timeless | s/won't/wonder/ |
| 17:00.50 | Veggen | RST38h: nah, you'll have your gmail window open anyways. And if it's simpler than the corporate thingy, you *will* use it. Now, I'm not meaning "you" literally. |
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| 17:01.32 | bedboi | hi there. |
| 17:02.12 | bedboi | any diablo user willing to share the clues that lead to the pass? |
| 17:02.14 | RST38h | summa: So does mine |
| 17:02.24 | timeless | sighs |
| 17:02.27 | bedboi | i can't spend a whole week reading that post :) |
| 17:02.28 | timeless | this site is stupid |
| 17:02.36 | RST38h | summa: I just set up procmail to trash everything that is not addressed to me directly |
| 17:02.40 | timeless | it imported me, and is now insulting me, and they don't actually take feedback |
| 17:02.44 | summatusmentis | bedboi: it took me one day to read the whole post :) |
| 17:03.01 | bedboi | summatusmentis: i still don't have one day :) |
| 17:03.18 | summatusmentis | fair enough |
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| 17:05.30 | summatusmentis | hi qwerty12, lardman, Khertan__ |
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| 17:05.33 | qwerty12 | hi summatusmentis |
| 17:05.41 | lardman | hi chaps |
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| 17:07.06 | qwerty12 | I commited a act of treachery today. I removed my linux partition. I'm using Windows more again because of Steam etc and I'm just gonna shove an andLinux and sbox on the Windows. |
| 17:07.11 | qwerty12 | hi lardman |
| 17:07.40 | summatusmentis | ~lart qwerty12 |
| 17:07.40 | infobot | whacks qwerty12 with a giant beaver's tail |
| 17:08.00 | summatusmentis | ~lart qwerty12 |
| 17:08.00 | infobot | beats qwerty12 severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken |
| 17:08.13 | qwerty12 | The love. It's killing me! |
| 17:08.21 | lardman | qwerty12: quick, re-install! |
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| 17:08.53 | summatusmentis | ~lart qwerty12 |
| 17:08.53 | infobot | pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps qwerty12 |
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| 17:09.02 | Blafasel_ | qwerty12: Interesting. I planned to give Wine 1.0 a go and switch (in spite of steam..) to linux more/completely ;) |
| 17:09.09 | summatusmentis | now, go install linux again, and get rid of windows |
| 17:09.10 | sladen | timeless: awh... I fell left out now :) |
| 17:09.14 | qwerty12 | I need the space :/ |
| 17:09.20 | RST38h | qwerty: heretic! |
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| 17:10.15 | RST38h | qwerty: May ten thousand penguins molest you anally every night a new Linux kernel is released! |
| 17:10.20 | johnx | qwerty12, don't hard drives come free in boxes of cereal these days? |
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| 17:10.33 | qwerty12 | RST38h, Oh yeah, baby! |
| 17:10.35 | RST38h | [and yes, I mean tertiary version numbers] |
| 17:10.45 | qwerty12 | johnx, Not here, in the UK, we are poor |
| 17:11.01 | johnx | qwerty12, eh...here they don't really have cereal :/ |
| 17:11.11 | RST38h | hey, a pound is currently >$2! |
| 17:11.35 | RST38h | although half of those $2 probably disappears in UK taxes... |
| 17:11.39 | qwerty12 | johnx, What, do you put your hands into the TV screen and get food like that? |
| 17:11.42 | johnx | RST38h, which would be fine if they bought everything from the US... |
| 17:11.46 | lardman | RST38h: and petrol! |
| 17:12.01 | RST38h | lardman: In the US, you can't get petrol! |
| 17:12.02 | summatusmentis | qwerty12 spends all his money on bad music, everyone knows this |
| 17:12.09 | qwerty12 | I do? |
| 17:12.10 | RST38h | Just gasoline... |
| 17:12.19 | johnx | qwerty12, heh...nah, I walk to the store cause I don't have a freaking car :/ |
| 17:12.21 | lardman | RST38h: lol, same here, petrol tanker drivers' strike |
| 17:12.46 | RST38h | hehe, Moscow gas prices are more or less equal to US |
| 17:12.50 | lardman | RST38h: over here, petroleum spirit aka petrol ;) is ~£1.18/litre |
| 17:13.00 | qwerty12 | johnx, But isn't it faster to Beam yourself there? |
| 17:13.20 | RST38h | Would be lower if that damn dollar wasn't falling through the floor |
| 17:13.22 | johnx | qwerty12, we're not *that* far in the future |
| 17:13.56 | qwerty12 | But 9 hours! :O |
| 17:14.13 | qwerty12 | is -9 hours in the past from johnx |
| 17:14.29 | lardman | RST38h: am off to Chicago next month so the dollar can stay low until then :) |
| 17:14.46 | RST38h | is only 6 hours in the past from johnx |
| 17:15.02 | RST38h | lardman: cheater! =) |
| 17:15.03 | summatusmentis | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:15.07 | summatusmentis | oh... wtf? |
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| 17:15.16 | summatusmentis | wrong terminal, sorry |
| 17:17.11 | johnx | I just wish the dollar would stop dropping until I deposit a couple checks from the US... |
| 17:17.55 | summatusmentis | speaking of depositing checks... I should do that |
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| 17:18.04 | MangoFusion | i just wish people stopped worrying |
| 17:18.22 | johnx | MangoFusion, in general? or about money? |
| 17:18.28 | lardman | johnx: where are you based to be 9h ahead of the UK? |
| 17:18.32 | qwerty12 | I miss my X-Chat spell checker from the Linux version. Windows X-Chat don't have it :( |
| 17:18.34 | lardman | johnx: Oz |
| 17:18.41 | johnx | lardman, check my host mask :P |
| 17:19.01 | qwerty12 | johnx, So have you moved permantly (spelling) or a long vacation/holiday? |
| 17:19.03 | lardman | Ah-ha |
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| 17:19.15 | johnx | qwerty12, maybe another year or two |
| 17:19.27 | qwerty12 | Ah, ok :) |
| 17:19.45 | johnx | qwerty12, think I should come to the UK after that? |
| 17:20.12 | summatusmentis | ... why do you get to live in cool places? |
| 17:20.14 | lcuk2 | no |
| 17:20.19 | qwerty12 | johnx, Yeah, sure, just be careful around South and East London :P |
| 17:20.28 | MangoFusion | johnx: i'm thinking more generally. as in there seems to be lots of doom and gloom to feel doomed and gloomy about |
| 17:21.06 | lardman | I seem to remember there being a download (from Ti.com) of some 2.4.x kernel based binaries for an omap2420 board from Montavista, anyone remember this? |
| 17:21.07 | johnx | summatusmentis, cause I'm crazy and I do things without considering all the consequences O_o |
| 17:21.31 | johnx | MangoFusion, eh...that's why I stopped watching the news |
| 17:21.48 | MangoFusion | qwerty12: speel chrkwr? yiu nqqd a speel chrkwr? |
| 17:21.50 | summatusmentis | johnx: erm... so you just up and moved, and then realized you needed a job? |
| 17:21.52 | lcuk2 | lardman, i recall a 3d driver available for 2.4, but if i remember rightly, it was for the older AGP graphics card |
| 17:22.06 | lcuk2 | (or are you talking about whole system now) |
| 17:22.35 | MangoFusion | johnx: same here. though i am still subjected to it :) |
| 17:23.09 | qwerty12 | ~lart x-chat windows for no copy and paste integration |
| 17:23.09 | infobot | takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking x-chat windows's head off for no copy and paste integration |
| 17:23.14 | lardman | lcuk2: I'm not sure - I remember there being a binary SDK for OpenGL on the omap2420 board, I was wondering if it had a PowerVR driver |
| 17:23.35 | lardman | lcuk2: I don't have a copy anywhere, nor can I see it on the WayBackMachine, so my mind may be playing tricks |
| 17:24.49 | summatusmentis | qwerty12: linux is looking better and better isn't it? |
| 17:25.08 | lcuk2 | lol lard, i am digging in my tablet/oldold/old folder and finding everything we ever discussed |
| 17:25.19 | lcuk2 | im currently finding the 2430 linux stuff you posted... ;) |
| 17:25.21 | lardman | lcuk2: as we were talking about before, I'd prefer the binary to be as close as possible to what we have, and am a bit unsure about the shared omap2420/2430 driver I have |
| 17:25.21 | qwerty12 | summatusmentis, yes :/. I could get MiRC but I prefer X-Chat to it |
| 17:25.40 | summatusmentis | he went to install linux |
| 17:25.42 | lcuk2 | yer i know, im just hunting because i know its been discussed |
| 17:25.57 | lcuk2 | !.! global *.irc.txt search for 2420 ;) |
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| 17:26.13 | lardman | PowerVR might give you more hits :) |
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| 17:26.33 | lcuk2 | yer but thats not what i want, theres loads of sprinkled info |
| 17:27.11 | johnx | lcuk2, get friendly with grep |
| 17:27.23 | lcuk2 | im in windows, the search is ok :) |
| 17:27.36 | johnx | maybe grep -C10 2420 | grep -i power*vr |
| 17:27.37 | qwerty12 | wayhey, I'm not the only one now :p |
| 17:27.41 | lcuk2 | ive opened up binary search for all known filetypes so now it catches everything |
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| 17:28.11 | summatusmentis | qwerty12: he's already been chastised for his use of windows ;) |
| 17:28.30 | qwerty12 | Doesn't bother me :P |
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| 17:29.24 | lcuk2 | anyway, lard according to you, on 15th april "<lardman> strange there's so much info available for it (http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/omap3503.html#technicaldocuments), but not much for the 2420" |
| 17:31.39 | lcuk2 | ill look more after tea, back soon |
| 17:32.33 | summatusmentis | he munches his tea? |
| 17:32.37 | lardman | lcuk_munching: just ask me and I will repeat what I said |
| 17:32.47 | lardman | lcuk_munching: assuming I can remember of course :) |
| 17:32.47 | summatusmentis | </end ignorant american joke> |
| 17:33.00 | lardman | summatusmentis: what does munching mean over there? |
| 17:33.10 | summatusmentis | like... chomping |
| 17:33.15 | lardman | yeah, same here |
| 17:33.20 | summatusmentis | more a reference to the term tea |
| 17:33.23 | lardman | perhaps his tea is chewy |
| 17:33.28 | summatusmentis | perhaps |
| 17:33.33 | lardman | ah, tea = early evening meal in the UK |
| 17:33.39 | summatusmentis | right, I knew that |
| 17:33.46 | summatusmentis | hence, the joke :) |
| 17:34.00 | lardman | ah sorry, I'll go back to sleep :) |
| 17:34.08 | summatusmentis | lol, no worries |
| 17:34.52 | summatusmentis | tea = hot drink that isn't coffee in the US |
| 17:35.12 | summatusmentis | closest thing toan early evening meal is 'after school snack' :-D |
| 17:35.13 | lardman | never heard of it, will have to try some when I get over there |
| 17:35.17 | lardman | :D |
| 17:35.23 | summatusmentis | lol |
| 17:35.34 | summatusmentis | s/toan/to an/ |
| 17:36.11 | pekuja | summatusmentis, what about cocoa? |
| 17:36.28 | pekuja | aka "hot chocolate" |
| 17:36.45 | pekuja | I mean that's not tea, is it? |
| 17:37.22 | RST38h | summa: cold tea is also widespread |
| 17:38.01 | summatusmentis | pekuja: no, I suppose not |
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| 17:38.13 | summatusmentis | RST38h: denoted differently though, not referred to as tea |
| 17:38.17 | RST38h | pekuja: it is also not really hot chocolate =) |
| 17:38.18 | summatusmentis | 'iced tea' |
| 17:38.24 | RST38h | summa: iced tea |
| 17:38.25 | summatusmentis | RST38h: good point |
| 17:38.40 | summatusmentis | right, but you never hear iced tea referred to as just tea |
| 17:38.47 | pekuja | RST38h, yeah I know, hence the quotation marks ;-) |
| 17:39.17 | RST38h | pekuja: it is a common thing for an american to ask for hot chocolate in Europe and consequently freak out |
| 17:39.33 | summatusmentis | do they heat up chocolate for you? |
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| 17:40.16 | RST38h | summa: basically |
| 17:40.27 | RST38h | it's not THAT radical, but the stuff is quite thick |
| 17:40.58 | pekuja | RST38h, oh, I didn't know that was also an actual dish |
| 17:41.25 | summatusmentis | lol, that's funny |
| 17:49.19 | lcuk_munching | tea = evening meal lovingly cooked by missus :) |
| 17:49.52 | lcuk_munching | and i'll tell her about the chewy comment |
| 17:50.14 | johnx | she might not let you hang out with us hooligans after that though :P |
| 17:50.27 | lcuk | thats a thin line already |
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| 17:52.35 | summatusmentis | make sure you tell her it wasn't me who is at fault for the chewy comment |
| 17:53.04 | summatusmentis | needs to study abroad |
| 17:53.09 | summatusmentis | I'm tired of the US |
| 17:53.45 | johnx | summatusmentis, come visit me :) |
| 17:53.58 | summatusmentis | I don't speak japanese :) |
| 17:54.05 | johnx | ha! |
| 17:54.09 | johnx | knew that was coming |
| 17:54.14 | johnx | neither did I this time last year |
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| 17:54.20 | johnx | funny how you learn when you need to, eh? |
| 17:54.58 | summatusmentis | although, there's a exchange program with a japanese uni that my school does |
| 17:55.15 | summatusmentis | Kansai Gadai University |
| 17:55.26 | summatusmentis | uh... crap |
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| 17:55.35 | johnx | all the way on the other side of the country :P |
| 17:55.48 | johnx | but the Kyoto/Osaka area is really nice |
| 17:56.17 | RST38h | johnx: are you in Kyoto then? |
| 17:56.30 | summatusmentis | this website is in japanese :( |
| 17:56.34 | johnx | nope, Yokohama, just south of Tokyo |
| 17:56.46 | johnx | summatusmentis, for the University or about the exchange program? |
| 17:56.57 | summatusmentis | the website for Kansai Gadai |
| 17:57.04 | RST38h | ah |
| 17:57.18 | johnx | summatusmentis, I googled and got results in English |
| 17:57.33 | johnx | you'll need to learn a lot of Japanese before you can get much out of a study abroad program I think |
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| 17:57.50 | summatusmentis | yeah... I'm thinking the same thing |
| 17:57.52 | Zmiko | mbw is supposed to start in 3 minutes right? |
| 17:57.53 | johnx | if you're just traveling you don't need that much |
| 17:58.18 | summatusmentis | I could do ELTAP |
| 17:58.22 | johnx | uhm...sorry for being dumb, but what is mbw? |
| 17:58.33 | Zmiko | macbreak weekly |
| 17:58.45 | summatusmentis | never heard of it |
| 17:58.45 | Zmiko | oh oops sorry, wrong chat room |
| 17:58.57 | johnx | heh, no prob :) |
| 17:59.00 | summatusmentis | lol |
| 17:59.12 | Zmiko | colloquy connected here just as i hit enter for a different room |
| 18:00.01 | RST38h | summa: Just go with Italians |
| 18:00.50 | RST38h | summa: All the non-US stuff you will ever wish, with 50-70% probability that your fellow students will speak English |
| 18:01.17 | summatusmentis | Italian is close to Latin, and Spanish |
| 18:01.24 | summatusmentis | I could maybe fake my way through italian |
| 18:01.38 | RST38h | summ: doesn't automatically mean you will speak it though =) |
| 18:01.44 | summatusmentis | no, I know |
| 18:01.53 | RST38h | but it is ok, doable |
| 18:01.55 | lcuk | lardman, on the powervr bug (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1028) last week daniel stone replied and said: We have no plans to integrate this, AFAIK. Pretty much all the reasons listed |
| 18:01.55 | lcuk | in comment #5 apply ... |
| 18:02.15 | johnx | summatusmentis, ...but it should be approximately *a lot* easier than Japanese |
| 18:03.48 | summatusmentis | johnx: I think that's a given :) |
| 18:04.24 | RST38h | lcuk: Thre is one thing I do not understand |
| 18:04.35 | lcuk | (he also says to not shoot the messenger) if thats a clear *no* from nokia personel then it just enforces routing around the damage and finding another way. im shocked though that in the direct questions with quim and others they couldnt speak |
| 18:04.55 | RST38h | lcuk: If I understand things correctly, it is currently possible to get SOME powervr driver for armel, although not the native os2008 one |
| 18:05.18 | RST38h | lcuk: Can't this driver made to work with some wrappers around it, in superuser mode? |
| 18:05.50 | lcuk | RST38h, agreed, and we havent requested it for full use, we put everything as clearly as possible, we just want the drivers so we can see what its capable of, and if it works we go to the next step |
| 18:06.30 | RST38h | I think it is quite clear at this stage that nokia won't help you |
| 18:06.39 | lcuk | RST38h, the listed driver people are discussing is like a fart in the wind. if you can get hold of it then we can play |
| 18:07.36 | RST38h | aha |
| 18:07.52 | RST38h | so the key is to get powervr .so's from ogles/ dir? |
| 18:08.19 | lcuk | no, ogles uses the .ko but the .ko is not part of that (from what i understand) |
| 18:09.07 | lcuk | its like xv library using omapfb, but when you get xv you dont get omapfb (you get bindings for it) but its expected you already have the actual kernel module |
| 18:09.17 | RST38h | oh, the low-level stuff will occur in .ko |
| 18:09.25 | lcuk | yes and gl talks to it |
| 18:09.42 | lcuk | frankly i dont care for gl i just wanna push some rectangles |
| 18:09.48 | RST38h | any clues on what ioctls it is using? |
| 18:10.29 | summatusmentis | wee! ioctl()s :) |
| 18:10.33 | lcuk | from what i understand talking to the pvr is similar to talking to the dsp - they are both custom chips |
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| 18:11.27 | RST38h | lcuk: I doubt it. The pormotional stuff I have seen about PowerVR leads me to believe that it is built as an ARM extension controller |
| 18:11.35 | RST38h | Like MMU and DBG controllers |
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| 18:12.52 | lcuk | hang on, ive seen something - im sure theres code to init and read the regs of the pvr somewhere |
| 18:12.57 | lcuk | .. |
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| 18:15.42 | RST38h | lcuk: Check http://airlied.livejournal.com/39506.html |
| 18:17.10 | lcuk | pepperpad runs geode |
| 18:17.13 | lcuk | x86 |
| 18:17.22 | Veggen | gah. I found the diablo repository login ;P |
| 18:17.28 | lcuk | according to wp |
| 18:17.33 | Veggen | hints are all in the thread. |
| 18:21.39 | RST38h | oh |
| 18:23.17 | lcuk | RST38h, ive seen that before and the actual filename does say arm so im not going to dismiss yet - i think the earlier pepperpads were arm |
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| 18:23.53 | lcuk | however people have found and tried tihngs with that and said its useless (its even posted in the comments) - the ppad is also locked to framebuffer mode |
| 18:24.10 | RST38h | urgh |
| 18:24.35 | RST38h | Ok. Let us approach this from a different direction. |
| 18:25.04 | RST38h | We have got N95. It supports PowerVR using the exact same OMAP chip as N8x0 |
| 18:25.23 | RST38h | N95 has *got* the libraries, correct? |
| 18:25.33 | glass_ | in some form or another |
| 18:25.50 | glass_ | but they could be buried in the fw |
| 18:26.17 | glass_ | jailbreak and some sort of hw debugging being available with consumer phones now could easen up hacking it open though |
| 18:26.20 | RST38h | Well, a quick google search indicates that Symbian comes with a bunch of dlls corresponding to those libraries |
| 18:26.27 | glass_ | ah then |
| 18:26.34 | glass_ | getting those should be easy |
| 18:26.38 | lcuk | ahah, i think powervr is talked to using the full arm instruction set (similar to other SIMD operations) you cannot run it in thumb mode |
| 18:26.39 | RST38h | glass: Got an N95? =) |
| 18:26.43 | glass_ | also! the wins emulator is windows programs |
| 18:27.23 | glass_ | could help making sense of the dll's i guess? |
| 18:27.37 | glass_ | helped with re-making removed headers too |
| 18:27.41 | glass_ | RST38h: yeah i got one |
| 18:27.48 | glass_ | RST38h: a n93 too |
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| 18:28.36 | RST38h | wins emulator isn't worth a shit |
| 18:28.50 | RST38h | it runs x86 symbian |
| 18:28.55 | glass_ | yeah i know |
| 18:28.56 | rm_you | hrm I wonder what beeped me |
| 18:28.59 | rm_you | ah well bbl |
| 18:29.11 | RST38h | glass: I will try figuring out where exactly libraries are |
| 18:29.13 | glass_ | RST38h: but like, for figuring out which call is what |
| 18:29.46 | RST38h | glass: I would obtain libraries first |
| 18:29.58 | RST38h | With good luck, calls will follow OpenGL API |
| 18:31.14 | glass_ | RST38h: i don't think theres symbol names(entry points? i'm not that kind of a guy to know) on the dll thats on device |
| 18:32.25 | glass_ | RST38h: i can probably get the files though.. |
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| 18:36.05 | lcuk | holy poo: http://ssl.kaist.ac.kr/2007/data/thesis/JuHoSohn_PhD.pdf this is a very indepth analysis (someones phd) of SIMD vertex shaders within our chips and goes into a great amount of detail about talking to the chips and streamlining usage - ie the stuff the proper .ko should be doing |
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| 18:37.19 | lcuk | ie: The TCLIP instruction, which is mapped in ARM10's coprocessor register |
| 18:37.19 | lcuk | transfer instruction, generates a clip code into one of ARM10's registers from a |
| 18:37.19 | lcuk | input vertex stored in one of the general SIMD registers as shown in Figure |
| 18:37.19 | lcuk | 3.1-9(a). If the clip code is zero, the given vertex is inside the view frustum. |
| 18:37.58 | RST38h | glass: If it is DLL it should have entry point names |
| 18:38.16 | lcuk | only if its got debugsymbols |
| 18:38.21 | glass_ | RST38h: it's symbian, i remember reading some stuff that theres not |
| 18:38.35 | glass_ | could be wrong and dunno if changed in s9-> |
| 18:39.39 | RST38h | glass: I am currently looking for the libs |
| 18:40.40 | RST38h | Ok, in the SDK, look for libgles_cm.lib |
| 18:40.43 | RST38h | and its friends |
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| 18:41.04 | Andy80 | hi all |
| 18:41.20 | summatusmentis | hi hi |
| 18:41.49 | glass_ | RST38h: yeah they're there |
| 18:41.53 | italodance | how can i get a free email @ maemo.org? |
| 18:42.05 | RST38h | found it |
| 18:42.26 | RST38h | All the labels are still in the .lib as they should |
| 18:43.10 | glass_ | yep on the libs used for compiling |
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| 18:53.48 | RST38h | glass: Ok, on your phone there should be corresponding .dll |
| 18:54.09 | RST38h | glass: If your phone's certificate has been already "fixed", you should be able to see it |
| 18:55.12 | glass_ | i havent jailbroken mine :\ ( need to keep it pristine for testing) |
| 18:55.27 | glass_ | could sign some file explorer i suppose |
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| 18:58.04 | megosdog | Hi all. Battery question for you. I'm looking for a stand alone battery charger for the N810 (something like this: http://www.eastmaze.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=303) and a second battery. Any suggestions? I can't find any stand alone chargers that'll work with the BP-4L battery that the N810 uses. |
| 18:58.30 | megosdog | Also, is there an extended live battery for the N810? The current one is apparently rated at 1500ma, and I'd like a 2500-3000ma if they exist. |
| 18:58.51 | johnx | how would a bigger battery fit in the same space? |
| 18:59.07 | megosdog | Well, it would be the same size, just more total milliamps. |
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| 18:59.22 | megosdog | I was refering to bigger as in battery life, not physical size. |
| 18:59.35 | borism | why bother? |
| 19:00.29 | megosdog | Well, for one I hate only having about 6hrs of active use, and two, recharging while in flight is kinda tough. |
| 19:00.33 | johnx | megosdog, usually, batteries with twice the number of cells tend to be a little less than twice the size, physically... |
| 19:00.41 | borism | i'd use usb charger |
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| 19:01.00 | borism | there's also power pack |
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| 19:01.22 | johnx | agreed, grab a *decent* external battery |
| 19:01.26 | RST38h | glass: signing it won't help |
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| 19:01.49 | megosdog | borism: Been experimenting with that. But it takes like twice as much power to charge it as a normal unit. I can charge my PMP off a portable battery powered charger in one swipe. It takes like 8 sets of rechargables minimum to do the N810. |
| 19:01.50 | RST38h | glass: Unless you have AllFiles capability in your certificate and that one is impossible to get legally |
| 19:02.40 | megosdog | And if I did it off my laptop, it'd drain the laptop dry before I ever got the N810 charged. My problem I'm trying to solve involves charging the N810 while away from a power plug. |
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| 19:03.20 | megosdog | Hence looking for either a longer life battery, or a stand alone charger that's more power friendly and can charge that battery faster. |
| 19:04.10 | RST38h | glass: ah |
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| 19:05.18 | lardman | re |
| 19:05.23 | lardman | am reading the backlog |
| 19:05.32 | rm_you| | yay |
| 19:05.35 | lardman | PowerVR is an additional chip though |
| 19:05.43 | rm_you| | sitting on wireless at Les Schwab while they replace my brakes :) |
| 19:05.46 | lardman | pH5 wrote some kernel code to power it up iirc |
| 19:05.57 | johnx | megosdog, right, what you want is a good external battery, something with a lithium ion in it |
| 19:06.04 | megosdog | johnx: I've got an external battery setup similar to this: http://www.nokiausa.com/link?cid=EDITORIAL_960045 |
| 19:06.10 | lardman | it's probably mapped to somewhere in kernel memory |
| 19:06.13 | johnx | rm_you, brakes are good. not many people are excited about them though :P |
| 19:06.26 | RST38h | lardman: it may be a separate chip, no problem there |
| 19:06.30 | megosdog | They're using 2500ma NiMH batteries x4, and it sucks the soul out of them in 2 hours, and gives me just a 10% charge. |
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| 19:06.50 | megosdog | Lithium doesn't fair much better. |
| 19:06.54 | RST38h | lardman: ARM will be fetching instructions and letting extension chips interpret ones that are UD |
| 19:07.01 | lardman | RST38h, lcuk: In terms of Daniel Stone's comments, I'd thought things were more hopeful than that |
| 19:07.14 | lardman | RST38h: no, it's not a coprocessor |
| 19:07.16 | lcuk | agreed lardman |
| 19:07.17 | RST38h | lardman: Which, in the case of ext chips, is anything that has 0xFXXXXXXX format |
| 19:07.30 | pH5 | lardman: have there been any comments from nokia's side regarding the powervr? |
| 19:07.31 | johnx | megosdog, jeez. that's pretty crazy. I've had ok luck with external chargers for my zaurus, but haven't felt the need with my n800 |
| 19:07.35 | RST38h | lardman: not really |
| 19:07.51 | lardman | ph5: first of all the comment in the bugtracker - further up, have you seen that? |
| 19:08.00 | RST38h | lardman: as politely as he can, he is telling you that Nokia is NOT gonna do it. Period. |
| 19:08.15 | lardman | pH5: but talking to Quim et al. at LinuxTag, I thought some other answer might be forthcoming by Sept. |
| 19:09.02 | lardman | pH5: Talking to Kate, she has been using the driver, but the code is messy/crap, so won't be released like that (and would cost to re-do, etc.) |
| 19:09.18 | lcuk | rst, qgilgl, vr etc: can't give specific answers right now but we will explain what is the plan during this year - but the trend to have all this in place is clear everywhere21:15 |
| 19:09.18 | lcuk | qgilit is "just" a matter of where, when... |
| 19:09.23 | lardman | RST38h: yeah I know, just not quite what I expected |
| 19:09.25 | johnx | lardman, I thought he said something during the last irc conference to that effect. Maybe he was hinting at future hardware though, instead? |
| 19:09.28 | lcuk | http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/maemo-meeting-2008-05-13.html |
| 19:09.34 | megosdog | Yeah, the unit I have, which is identical to the one I linked above, but is usb and converts to N810 charger plug via the usb charger accessory, charges my PMP in one go. That's why I was stunned that it didn't stand a chance against the N810. |
| 19:09.46 | lardman | johnx: could be |
| 19:10.02 | pH5 | yeh, the bugzilla entry I know. linuxtag I unfortunately could only attend on saturday, so I guess that means that there's not too much hope after all. |
| 19:10.38 | lardman | About the structure, there's a kernel driver, a user-space lib which probably does most of the work, and an openGL implementation which uses said lib |
| 19:10.48 | RST38h | lcuk: qgil has this wonderful skill of telling things that sound kinda promising but do not carry any meaning |
| 19:10.55 | johnx | ah well, never expect a company to deliver radical new software for hardware they already shipped |
| 19:11.02 | lardman | pH5: but no hw limitation at least :) |
| 19:11.11 | megosdog | johnx: lol. Yeah, that's so sadly true that it's creapy. |
| 19:11.15 | lardman | pH5: Kate was saying that the console had to be kept open |
| 19:11.38 | johnx | RST38h, normally, I seem to be more optimistic than you...but in this case I have to agree |
| 19:11.57 | lardman | So, how does one obtain the Symbian driver for an OMAP2420? |
| 19:12.09 | RST38h | lcuk: Notice that he hasn't even said WHAT exactly is coming |
| 19:12.20 | lardman | I'm a little worried that the omap2430/2420 driver we have won't work with the hw... |
| 19:12.22 | RST38h | lardman: Well, .lib files are in the SDK (I have them) |
| 19:12.36 | lardman | RST38h: really? Where from, imgtech? |
| 19:12.39 | RST38h | lardman: .dll files can be obtained from an N95 phone if you broke its certificate |
| 19:12.49 | RST38h | lardman: No. Nokia S60e3 SDK :) |
| 19:12.59 | lardman | RST38h: I don't have one though, but would like the files... :) |
| 19:13.11 | RST38h | lardman: glass may be able to fetch them from his |
| 19:13.21 | pH5 | RST38h: can you identify the powervr driver dll files? |
| 19:13.24 | RST38h | my E70 does not have them |
| 19:13.28 | glass | in due time if not from anywhere else |
| 19:13.28 | lcuk | lardman, priv for later pinging |
| 19:13.29 | RST38h | pH5: a moment |
| 19:13.31 | glass | n93 should have |
| 19:13.41 | lardman | RST38h: but the SDK has binary drivers? Why? |
| 19:13.43 | glass | e70 doesn't have the hw 3d |
| 19:13.56 | glass | lardman: the .lib is just for linking |
| 19:14.05 | pH5 | I didn't really succeed in prying the driver out of the n95 binary firmware update blob. |
| 19:14.23 | lardman | pH5: I was going to try that, glad I didn't bother now |
| 19:14.41 | RST38h | pH5: libgles_cm.lib, libgles_cl.lib, libEGL.lib, libOpenVG.lib, libGLESv2x.lib, libGLES_CM.so, libIMGegl.so and/or libsrv.so |
| 19:14.42 | lardman | glass: so it's probably empty but has the same api? |
| 19:14.44 | lcuk | many people tried to climb everest before someone managed it |
| 19:14.49 | RST38h | pH5: replace .so with .dll |
| 19:15.08 | RST38h | pH5: Just copy it from the live device |
| 19:15.13 | crashanddie | cue 200 graphiczors joining in to get the freebies |
| 19:15.23 | RST38h | glass: correct on e70 |
| 19:15.46 | lardman | RST38h: I see openGL stuff there, but not anything overtly powervr related |
| 19:15.52 | pH5 | RST38h: the libsrv might be interesting, unless it is the same srv lib / kernel driver split as on linux, then the real juice would be elsewhere. |
| 19:16.07 | RST38h | lardman: prolly libsrv |
| 19:16.30 | RST38h | pH5: Given how convoluted Symbian is, I almost bet they have got all low-level stuff in the dll |
| 19:16.34 | glass | lardman: e70 has sw rendering probably |
| 19:16.37 | lardman | pH5: exactly |
| 19:16.42 | RST38h | glass: doesn't have a shit |
| 19:16.48 | RST38h | glass: OMAP1. Very slow. |
| 19:16.50 | lardman | glass: You know Symbian, how are drivers arranged? |
| 19:16.58 | RST38h | glass: Best screen and keyboard in its class though |
| 19:17.13 | glass | lardman: not on that level :\ i haven't done any kernel dev for it thankfully |
| 19:17.28 | glass | RST38h: iirc all since s60 2.6 have at least sw opengl es |
| 19:17.35 | lcuk | lardman, ive been reading about interfacing with the powervr and i believe it is used with the full mode instruction set (like the SIMD instructions) so cannot be used in thumb mode - therefore its possible the ogl drivers themselves contain the code? |
| 19:17.36 | lardman | glass: Ah, ok; I seem to remember there being a window server, I'd expected to see something it would load |
| 19:17.47 | RST38h | glass: Maybe, the thing is so slow that it is useless on it =( |
| 19:18.15 | glass | RST38h: handy just for java.. and even with it one is usually better off not using it |
| 19:18.22 | lardman | lcuk: I'm not quite with you; the powervr hw may not even need to be loaded with code |
| 19:19.30 | lardman | http://www.symbian.com/Developer/techlib/v70docs/SDL_v7.0/doc_source/BasePorting/DeviceDrivers/SymbianOSDeviceDriverModel.guide.html |
| 19:19.32 | glass | lardman: if you got a n95 and are willing to jailbreak it then the .dll from the device is easy to obtain |
| 19:19.35 | lcuk | talking to powervr in assembler is part of the normal execute chain: like calling simd or FP instructions -> ie different to using other chips which need ioctls etc |
| 19:19.51 | lardman | glass: I will need to reach deep into my pocket to buy one then |
| 19:19.52 | RST38h | glass: java is slow even without 3d =( |
| 19:20.11 | RST38h | lcuk: in other words, it IS a coprocessor? |
| 19:20.16 | lcuk | yes |
| 19:20.36 | lardman | lcuk: no, there is no separate instruction set which is passed to a coprocessor (As in the case of vfp/jazelle) afaiu |
| 19:20.39 | glass | RST38h: you can do pretty nice things in j2me, graphics wise, even shit s40 nokias can run wolf3d style engine |
| 19:20.51 | RST38h | glass: E70 can't. I tried. |
| 19:21.04 | glass | RST38h: it can ;) |
| 19:21.07 | RST38h | glass: Well, it does run those games but you won't play 'em |
| 19:21.15 | lardman | RST38h: no, I don't think so. It's another chip on the omap soc, but not an ARM coprocessor |
| 19:21.16 | RST38h | Very very slow |
| 19:21.29 | RST38h | lardman: so, it is memory mapped somewhere? |
| 19:21.44 | glass | RST38h: e70 has higher reso than most tho |
| 19:21.52 | RST38h | glass: yeah, that may be the reason |
| 19:21.56 | lardman | RST38h: ask ph5 |
| 19:22.03 | pH5 | lardman: btw, I wanted to dump my disasm notes on you some time ago by mail. it's all pretty chaotic, but maybe you'll see something of interest - may I? |
| 19:22.04 | glass | RST38h: and oldschool trickery is the way.. |
| 19:22.15 | lardman | RST38h: but that is my understanding (and from looking at the kernel driver) |
| 19:22.34 | lardman | pH5: that would be great, do you have my address? |
| 19:22.57 | pH5 | lardman: if it's the one you use on the MLs.. |
| 19:23.03 | lcuk | powervr chipset is confusing in the kernel because the dreamcast uses a standalone graphics chip |
| 19:23.08 | lardman | pH5: yes it it |
| 19:23.11 | lcuk | of the same name |
| 19:23.27 | lardman | lcuk: yeah, confusing searching for "pvr" :) |
| 19:23.29 | lcuk | ph5, could you include me in that |
| 19:23.56 | lcuk | and possibly include the binary as well |
| 19:24.35 | pH5 | RST38h: powervr it is memory mapped, I believe at 0x50000000 and above mostly. |
| 19:26.29 | lardman | lcuk: I can sort that out |
| 19:27.10 | lardman | So, what would be good is someone with an N72/N95/etc. which is jailbreaked, and is happy to send us some .dlls |
| 19:27.18 | lardman | :) |
| 19:30.43 | pH5 | and I wish I had better RE tools. semi-automatic decompilation and automatic dwarf annotation would be great. |
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| 19:36.13 | RST38h | pH5: Aha |
| 19:36.21 | RST38h | pH5: Does it have a vertex buffer? |
| 19:36.57 | RST38h | pH5: Have you got IDA Pro already? |
| 19:39.59 | lardman | weird, N82 is more expensive than N93 on ebay |
| 19:40.38 | pH5 | RST38h: I don't have IDA. the powervr for sure uses vertex buffers, but I'm not sure if they are in host RAM. it seems to have its own mmu. |
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| 19:46.27 | lcuk | sorry for vanishing, youngest needed me |
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| 19:54.10 | lcuk | has a steamingheapofpowervrnotes in his inbox thx ph5 |
| 19:55.48 | MangoFusion | you have the *power* now? :P |
| 19:55.48 | RST38h | Hedviga Golik made herself a cup of tea and sat down to watch some television in her home town of Zagreb, Croatia. Sadly, she died in her chair. This was in 1966. She was just found, 42 years later, in her time capsule mausoleum where she's been sitting ever since. She never finished her tea. |
| 19:56.00 | Cptnodegard | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0019K261G//ref=nosim/abi-forum-20 |
| 19:56.03 | Cptnodegard | 64GB n800 anyone? |
| 19:56.30 | ds3 | BAH |
| 19:56.38 | MangoFusion | 64gb of what? ;) |
| 19:56.41 | RST38h | two cards will cost you almost twice more than the current price of n800 |
| 19:56.53 | ds3 | if it was 1 64G card... |
| 19:57.46 | nn800n | jchrist. |
| 19:57.49 | nn800n | that's awesome |
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| 20:00.07 | Anunakin | this card is a SD, not mini or micro SD |
| 20:00.59 | rm_you| | johnx: yo |
| 20:01.01 | Cptnodegard | hence why n810 sucks :p |
| 20:01.26 | Anunakin | hehe |
| 20:01.46 | Anunakin | yes... but I just not need more then a 8GB card... |
| 20:02.19 | glass | extra space creates extra use |
| 20:02.32 | Anunakin | yes |
| 20:02.50 | Anunakin | but I see.. only video and music for it |
| 20:02.52 | lcuk | hard wired card creates extra use (maps onboard at purchase time) |
| 20:03.12 | Anunakin | applications, pdfs, and others docs not needs it |
| 20:03.54 | Anunakin | maps all maps could stay at a 8GB card... not needs it |
| 20:04.06 | pH5 | 8GB is fine for the n810 because it's too fscking slow to play proper videos. |
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| 20:04.43 | glass | i want to haul around at least 30gb of music |
| 20:04.43 | rm_you| | pH5: lies :P |
| 20:04.43 | Anunakin | And other think ... this 32GB cards works with maemo kernel? |
| 20:04.53 | rm_you| | pH5: you should grab one of the videos I've encoded and play it in mplayer |
| 20:04.57 | lcuk | ph5, my 810 feels really snappy -> i run in performance cpu all day long :) |
| 20:04.58 | rm_you| | pH5: looks beutiful |
| 20:05.11 | rm_you| | s/beutiful/beautiful/ |
| 20:05.37 | Anunakin | I think the speed of n810 very nice |
| 20:05.37 | pH5 | wants his 800x480 h264 |
| 20:06.01 | Anunakin | You never played with a Tungsten? or a SHARP 5500? like me! |
| 20:06.05 | rm_you| | pH5: 400x240 looks remarkably amazing with pixel doubling in hardware |
| 20:06.20 | lcuk | well if we can enroll the help of pvr and iva and dsp it might be possible ;) |
| 20:06.33 | rm_you| | pH5: 400x240 xvid at 1000kb bitrate looks BETTER than 800x600 x264 on a different screen |
| 20:06.47 | Anunakin | hum |
| 20:06.54 | rm_you| | the screen makes it amazing |
| 20:06.58 | Anunakin | rm_you: nice tip |
| 20:07.00 | pH5 | nah, it's blurry. imagine how crisp 800x480 would look on that screen. |
| 20:07.23 | rm_you| | l... |
| 20:07.34 | rm_you| | you need to grab something i encoded... seriously |
| 20:07.38 | Anunakin | Yes... man omap 2420 has 3d hardware and we not have opengl drivers... damnit |
| 20:07.43 | rm_you| | I'll upload a video later that's encoded properly |
| 20:07.48 | lcuk | ph5, you vanished for a while recently, did you see the video of my liqbase thing? |
| 20:07.48 | pH5 | and transcoding dvds sucks. I want to copy them from a usb dvd drive to microsd and upscale while playing, now that would be terrific. |
| 20:07.53 | rm_you| | promise me you'll give it a try |
| 20:08.46 | lcuk | people seem to think the iphone looks amazing with its graphics and i dont really hear complains about resolution |
| 20:09.05 | pH5 | rm_you|: I? I promise. show me a link and I'll happily watch it. |
| 20:09.28 | pH5 | lcuk: that's because it's fluid like your demo :) |
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| 20:09.45 | pH5 | I don't believe people who care about sharp images like the iphone all too much |
| 20:09.57 | lcuk | :) you did see it then |
| 20:10.11 | rm_you| | lcuk: got a real release yet? :P |
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| 20:10.57 | Spaceman3750 | Is it possible to move an application shortcut from one menu folder to another? |
| 20:11.04 | lcuk | using xv at 800*480 (which is same as mplayer i believe) the 8x0 display update is still async, it sends over planar data (hence greyscale works relatively nicely) but colors are out of whack |
| 20:11.16 | lcuk | Spaceman3750, yes, go into contorl panel and Panels |
| 20:11.26 | Spaceman3750 | Thanks lcuk :) |
| 20:11.26 | lcuk | there is a thing in there to edit menus |
| 20:12.39 | lcuk | anyway, its 9pm and ive only got a couple of hours, ive gotta try and get sqlite started and work out how to make a transition using keyframes... |
| 20:13.06 | lcuk | doesnt do simple things o/ |
| 20:14.15 | Spaceman3750 | lcuk, it doesn't sound like it... |
| 20:14.49 | Spaceman3750 | Also, is there an xChat or other client (besides Pidgin, pidgin IRC sucks) for OS2008? |
| 20:15.16 | lcuk_ | no Spaceman3750 ive set myself pretty high targets :) but its all part of the learning curve. yes xchat is avail |
| 20:16.16 | lcuk_ | Spaceman3750, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUPp_mE7rwI |
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| 20:17.26 | Spaceman3750 | Fancy lcuk_ |
| 20:17.48 | Spaceman3750 | Next question, is xchat in the repo or do I gotta find it on their site, because I have yet to be able to find it. I can find it for OS2007, but not 2008 |
| 20:18.09 | RST38h | gotta find it |
| 20:18.14 | RST38h | you find it with google |
| 20:18.15 | rm_you| | Spaceman3750: google xchat maemo 2008 |
| 20:18.24 | RST38h | google is http://www.google.com/ |
| 20:18.32 | Spaceman3750 | Thank you RST and rm |
| 20:18.52 | Spaceman3750 | Gotta love jfgi |
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| 20:25.07 | Blastur | lcuk_, wow.. that drawing scrolling thing seems really useful |
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| 20:25.51 | lcuk_ | Blastur, yes, it will be. im building up a nice application at the moment to organise them properly :) |
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| 20:26.45 | lardman | hmm, I note there's still no answer about the IVA on the "Questions for Nokia" wiki page (or the pvr for that matter) |
| 20:29.29 | Blastur | anyone know ways to make the n810 run faster? often if i like run the music player and surf the web, i get "low on memory" errors, and it suspends the music player etc |
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| 20:29.48 | Blastur | if i run a terminal and issue "top", i see a lot of funky apps taking a lot of memory |
| 20:29.52 | glass | enable swap? |
| 20:29.59 | MangoFusion | don't multitask ;) |
| 20:30.12 | Blastur | the browser obviously needs a lot of ram :) |
| 20:30.22 | Blastur | at least if you enable image loading |
| 20:30.25 | Blastur | which is .. kinda nice |
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| 20:31.58 | MangoFusion | yes not the best browser in the world in that regard. though i seem to recall some posts on the ITT forums about improving performance (+ maybe memory usage?) |
| 20:33.46 | Blastur | oh, how can i enable these improvements? |
| 20:34.28 | MangoFusion | no idea. can't remember... have you done a search? |
| 20:35.10 | lcuk_ | i believe the improvements are coming in diablo (next OS update from nokia) |
| 20:35.11 | Blastur | yeah, i tried to find tweaks and tricks to make it run faster |
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| 20:35.21 | Blastur | but so far not much have helped |
| 20:35.48 | Blastur | anyone know what this process called maemo-launcher does? :) there seems to be multiple instances running, each consuming quite a lot of memory each |
| 20:36.40 | kulve | Blastur: it inits gtk and then forks+execs new applications to speed up the process startup |
| 20:37.31 | Blastur | ah, okey.. sounds important :) |
| 20:38.54 | Blastur | also, anyone know if its possible to enumerate and connect to wlans using the terminal? i find the UI feature that finds WLANs quite annoying, it doesnt give much details when things goes wrong |
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| 20:46.50 | Blastur | btw, does youtube work for you guys? according to nokia homepage, my n810 is suppose to have flash v9, but when i visit youtube it says i need upgrade |
| 20:47.52 | timely | Blastur: flash is probably disabled |
| 20:47.57 | Italodance | Shutter.DVDRip.XViD-ALLiANCE :D |
| 20:48.03 | timely | click the magnifier in the corner and then components/plugins |
| 20:48.05 | timely | is flash checked? |
| 20:49.18 | Blastur | ah, i see.. it works now :) |
| 20:50.30 | Blastur | very cool |
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| 20:58.41 | Spaceman3750_ | Where is the camera app located or is there not one pre-installed? |
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| 20:59.17 | Spaceman3750_ | Nevermind |
| 20:59.19 | Spaceman3750_ | Found it in the repo |
| 20:59.23 | Spaceman3750_ | (I feel dumb now |
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| 21:05.42 | Gnutonio | hi there |
| 21:09.22 | summatusmentis | hi Gnutonio |
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| 21:14.59 | Gnutonio | hi summatusmentis |
| 21:15.09 | Toba_ | hi there #maemo, summatusmentis |
| 21:15.18 | Toba_ | is quite happy with his n810 (except for gps) |
| 21:15.26 | Toba_ | cannot wait for diablo to release |
| 21:15.39 | Gnutonio | hi Toba_ |
| 21:15.56 | Toba_ | hi |
| 21:16.18 | summatusmentis | Toba_: it might be me, but I'm having trouble getting diablo to lock too |
| 21:16.38 | summatusmentis | might also be me living east podunk |
| 21:16.50 | Toba_ | that shouldn't matter |
| 21:16.55 | lcuk_ | gnormal gps on good decices can also fail to lock |
| 21:16.56 | Toba_ | it's *sattellite* |
| 21:17.07 | Toba_ | summatusmentis: are you using agps? |
| 21:17.14 | Toba_ | i heard that worked, even though I'm not sure what it is |
| 21:17.15 | summatusmentis | yeah |
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| 21:17.57 | lcuk_ | Toba_, before obtaining a lock you must download (from those sats) data on their expected positions, this data is usually cached for a region but if you go outside that region or otherwise invalidate the cache the entire file must be redownloaded |
| 21:18.36 | lcuk_ | diablo is supposed to include agps which helps with this rough initial position and trying to keep the cache of data |
| 21:18.43 | Toba_ | oh |
| 21:18.52 | Toba_ | so is there any way to find out when/where my cache is currently for? |
| 21:19.01 | Toba_ | i read about the cache on internettablettalk |
| 21:19.05 | lcuk_ | so... even a good gps box can have bad days - if it cannot get a sustained clear contact for getting the data |
| 21:19.16 | Toba_ | among other things.. people bitching about mapper not working on chinook |
| 21:19.47 | summatusmentis | is the maemo-mapper for diablo? |
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| 21:20.08 | lcuk_ | not sure, thats basically what ive been seeing and reading. for myself, ive had better luck with the gps recently and we have managed to get locks very rapidly |
| 21:20.42 | lcuk_ | but in germany at linuxtag, 4 of us were walking down the road with 810s and all took a long time to get locks |
| 21:20.51 | lcuk_ | mine was the slowest actually |
| 21:20.56 | summatusmentis | that must've been a sight |
| 21:21.02 | lcuk_ | though they did notice that my hardware revision was v1 |
| 21:21.06 | lcuk_ | theirs were later |
| 21:21.13 | lcuk_ | summatusmentis, it was.. |
| 21:22.02 | Toba_ | huh |
| 21:22.07 | Toba_ | how do i check my hardware revision |
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| 21:23.13 | lcuk_ | i dunno, there was some app or other (diablo field test thingy) i got via bluetooth |
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| 21:23.47 | lcuk_ | http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=n810+%22field+test+display%22&btnG=Search&meta= |
| 21:24.21 | summatusmentis | that's the ftd qwerty12 keeps going on about? |
| 21:24.31 | GAN800 | Field testing device |
| 21:24.56 | lcuk_ | yer, it basically just pokes around all the obscure corners of the filesys and extracts meaningful (to an engineer) information |
| 21:25.00 | GAN800 | It's a testing app that gives you access to config partition and hardware stuff |
| 21:25.09 | Toba_ | intersting |
| 21:25.12 | Toba_ | *interesting |
| 21:25.20 | Toba_ | yeah i have yet to get a gps fix |
| 21:25.32 | Toba_ | which is pretty irritating as it is one of the reasons i bought an n810 |
| 21:25.49 | summatusmentis | I needthe default map app sucks. I had a fix in maemo-mapper once, w/ a-gps |
| 21:25.56 | lcuk_ | toba, sit it on your dashboard (where a normal gps would live) and drive for a bit :) |
| 21:26.11 | Toba_ | I'll do that on the way home |
| 21:26.14 | lcuk_ | nbuilt in map and maemomapper both use the same gps device |
| 21:26.14 | Toba_ | is at work |
| 21:26.33 | lcuk_ | just different frontend :) |
| 21:26.39 | summatusmentis | well, yes |
| 21:26.39 | Toba_ | i know |
| 21:26.41 | Toba_ | same driver etc |
| 21:26.50 | lcuk_ | that was for summatusmentis.. |
| 21:27.06 | Blastur | Toba_: ive only managed to get a fix once on my n810, in a month :) |
| 21:27.15 | Toba_ | wow |
| 21:27.17 | lardman|tv | Toba_: Your cache will be invalid after ~6min iirc |
| 21:27.17 | Toba_ | that is awful |
| 21:27.18 | summatusmentis | I suppose being in a building affects it |
| 21:27.44 | Toba_ | I don't know how they considered this a feature as it doesn't seem to work for anyone |
| 21:27.47 | Toba_ | *sigh* |
| 21:27.50 | Blastur | at one point i was sitting in my garden, with clear sight, perfect weather.. for about an hour. no fix.. it went up to maybe 10-15% fix in maemomapper progress bar, and then it started moving backwards :P |
| 21:28.03 | Toba_ | yeah I get to about 20% |
| 21:28.07 | Toba_ | in a few minutes |
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| 21:28.09 | Toba_ | but it stops |
| 21:28.10 | lardman | Toba_: GPS? |
| 21:28.15 | Toba_ | lardman: yea |
| 21:28.17 | lardman | Toba_: works for me |
| 21:28.35 | qos | hey guys, can somebody test a package for me? it is a traffic counter and i want to make sure that it installs fine and works on other device as it does on the device it was made on ... |
| 21:28.59 | Blastur | Toba_: apparently, its because N810 uses a budget chipset for gps from Texas Instruments.. it relies heavily on getting additional data from the internet (or something), a technique called AGPS.. without it, it seems to be very difficult to get a fix. unfortunately, maemo does not currently support AGPS, but the next version will... |
| 21:28.59 | lardman | Toba_: Open the agps-ui and select your location, it downloads the almanac/ephemeris data, and then you get a reasonably quick lock |
| 21:29.33 | Blastur | i dont understand why they didnt go for the sirf star 3 chipset, its basically mainstream nowadays, and much more reliable |
| 21:29.35 | lardman | Blastur: AGPS shouldn't be a bad thing, I think the probelm is that the chipset is not very sensitive |
| 21:30.20 | lardman | i.e. a SirfStar III would be even quicker to lock with AGPS |
| 21:31.05 | lardman | My worry about AGPS ui is that as the entire world is shown on the screen, you have to be pretty accurate when tapping your current location |
| 21:31.15 | Blastur | y.. i guess the only viable option is to get a bluetooth gps |
| 21:31.22 | lardman | Back of envelope calc gives one pixel is 50miles square |
| 21:31.23 | Blastur | kinda sucky to carry around yet ANOTHER device :P |
| 21:31.41 | lcuk_ | use a bigger envelope |
| 21:31.49 | lardman | Blastur: Or use agps to up it to a decent lock speed |
| 21:31.50 | Toba_ | what if I wake up with a sack over my head and my legs tied down and I depend on my n810 gps to save myself?! |
| 21:31.56 | lardman | lcuk_: :) |
| 21:32.00 | Toba_ | I won't know what country I'm in, maybe not even continent! |
| 21:32.00 | summatusmentis | wait... I'm at a 50% after roughly 30 secs |
| 21:32.02 | Toba_ | damned agps |
| 21:32.05 | Toba_ | ;) |
| 21:32.26 | lardman | lcuk_: I do wonder how much of a problem it will cause though, if you're out by 150miles or so, I don't know what happens with the data |
| 21:32.47 | Toba_ | perhaps the UI can be improved. |
| 21:33.01 | lardman | Toba_: yes; that's only a first attempt I think |
| 21:33.06 | Spaceman3750 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16057&page=1 This is a theory on why the lock-on time with GPS is so high, also includes a possible fix |
| 21:33.14 | lcuk_ | i dont think it matters tbh lardman, from a psychological perspective it gives the user something to try to fix themselves. the entire time the dialog is on screen the gps should still be trying |
| 21:33.21 | lardman | Toba_: I think it can also grab data from your mobile phone, which would be better |
| 21:33.34 | lcuk_ | "damn i clicked the wrong one, if i get it just right it will lock"... |
| 21:33.42 | Toba_ | my phone does not have bluetooth ;) |
| 21:33.56 | lardman | Spaceman3750: no, that has nothing to do with the loc-on time |
| 21:34.48 | lardman | Spaceman3750: it will probably screw up whatever's using the data from gpsd, but the lock and writing data to the chipset is below that level |
| 21:35.14 | lcuk_ | ive noticed faster locking on mine since i returned from germany. germany was also the time i run my cpu in performance all the time |
| 21:35.14 | lardman | Toba_: oh well |
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| 21:35.40 | lardman | lcuk_: Perhaps the warm weather and beer did it some good ;) |
| 21:35.41 | lcuk_ | started to * |
| 21:35.59 | lcuk_ | it was amazing - mine outlasted everyone elses :D |
| 21:36.06 | lcuk_ | and it does now continuously |
| 21:36.19 | lardman | Toba_: I guess it will eventually use geoclue to provide a location, then obtain the ephemeris data using that |
| 21:36.29 | lcuk_ | i dont need to leave it charging overnight anymore - and its on performance |
| 21:36.49 | lardman | lcuk_: yeah, mine is too, and I leave it connected over ssh every evening |
| 21:36.53 | lardman | lcuk_: weird |
| 21:36.59 | lcuk_ | now, i cant do that |
| 21:37.10 | lcuk_ | network kills me (adhoc) |
| 21:37.31 | lcuk_ | but the battery live is VERY tied to the screen brightness. ive knocked it down 2 notches from top |
| 21:38.22 | lardman | ah, yes, my screen is usually off as I'm ssh'ing in |
| 21:38.53 | lardman | lcuk_: Did you see that power consumption paper done for an early iPaq running Linux vs WinCE? |
| 21:38.57 | lcuk_ | screen is set to be always on when charging and i "dock" it between keyboard and monitor so i can see results |
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| 21:39.03 | lcuk_ | no? |
| 21:39.16 | rm_you| | lcuk_: you use advanced-backlight? >:P |
| 21:39.17 | lardman | hmm, I'll see if I can google it for you |
| 21:39.41 | lardman | http://pads.east.isi.edu/presentations/misc/sjcho-pm-report.pdf |
| 21:39.47 | lardman | probably that anyway |
| 21:39.50 | lcuk_ | no i dont rm, it was too finicky, i wanted big buttons but you didnt |
| 21:39.55 | rm_you| | heh |
| 21:39.59 | rm_you| | hardware buttons work now |
| 21:40.08 | lcuk_ | (big buttons like i use in liqbase - easy to use with stylus or thumb) |
| 21:40.11 | summatusmentis | hardware buttons for lighting? like d-pad? |
| 21:40.17 | rm_you| | yes |
| 21:40.20 | rm_you| | lighting and sound |
| 21:40.21 | summatusmentis | sweet |
| 21:40.28 | summatusmentis | didn't know that |
| 21:40.32 | rm_you| | thats in 0.9, you should already have it |
| 21:40.46 | rm_you| | and in 0.9b they are much more configurable |
| 21:40.48 | summatusmentis | I'll have to reboot out of diablo, and check my version |
| 21:40.54 | rm_you| | if you add extras-devel you can grab 0.9b |
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| 21:41.01 | rm_you| | it may work in diablo? |
| 21:41.05 | rm_you| | can you test?! |
| 21:41.06 | rm_you| | :P |
| 21:41.09 | summatusmentis | I don't have it installed right now |
| 21:41.10 | summatusmentis | hold on |
| 21:41.25 | rm_you| | grab 0.9b out of extras-devel |
| 21:41.31 | rm_you| | and tell me how it works in diablo |
| 21:41.41 | summatusmentis | I don't have extras-devel setup |
| 21:41.51 | rm_you| | just download the deb from there |
| 21:42.46 | rm_you| | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/a/advanced-backlight/advanced-backlight_0.9b-1_armel.deb |
| 21:43.03 | Atarii | wonder what it does in 2008he.... |
| 21:43.26 | lcuk_ | can i run it in vista? |
| 21:43.40 | summatusmentis | one moment |
| 21:43.45 | rm_you| | Atarii: the volume will work, the backlight just won't change |
| 21:43.54 | rm_you| | Atarii: I believe |
| 21:44.00 | Atarii | ill give it a whirl |
| 21:44.06 | rm_you| | Atarii: feel free to try and tell me how it works :P |
| 21:44.32 | rm_you| | do need people to beta test 0.9b anyway :P |
| 21:45.32 | lcuk_ | always thinks he got kicked out when seeing that |
| 21:46.49 | rm_you| | bbl, car done |
| 21:46.54 | rm_you| | post results on the ITT thread :P |
| 21:47.12 | summatusmentis | that means I have to find the ITT thread! |
| 21:48.02 | Atarii | dammit me 2 |
| 21:48.13 | Atarii | too* |
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| 21:49.42 | summatusmentis | rm_you|: works well :) |
| 21:49.52 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, 'twas me. |
| 21:53.09 | Toba_ | hhm |
| 21:54.46 | Toba_ | lcuk_: you mentioned putting your cpu in performance acpi mode... how do you do that? |
| 21:55.01 | summatusmentis | I got a lock! |
| 21:55.30 | summatusmentis | that was... twenty minutes? |
| 21:55.50 | summatusmentis | no, less than that, I restarted a couple of times |
| 21:55.51 | Toba_ | way longer than it should take |
| 21:56.02 | summatusmentis | 5-10 probably |
| 21:56.11 | Toba_ | I am officially giving up on gps until i have diablo |
| 21:56.31 | summatusmentis | now, I'm in a building |
| 21:57.43 | summatusmentis | I'm apparently travelling at 2.2km/h hour though |
| 21:57.48 | summatusmentis | oh wait, nope |
| 21:58.10 | lcuk_ | Toba_, 2 mins lemme find it |
| 21:58.27 | darkblue_B | anyone on the channel going from San Francisco or Berkeley area to the ACM meeting tonight in Cupertino? |
| 21:58.38 | Toba_ | thx |
| 21:58.47 | Toba_ | darkblue_B: if I were in the area, I would |
| 21:58.54 | Toba_ | but... I am not and am unlikely to be |
| 21:59.03 | darkblue_B | its a long haul for me.. but I'd like to go |
| 21:59.41 | summatusmentis | darkblue_B: I'll be right there, let me hop on a plane and fly across the country >_> |
| 21:59.46 | summatusmentis | :) |
| 21:59.50 | darkblue_B | :-) |
| 22:00.03 | Toba_ | haha |
| 22:00.04 | Toba_ | me too |
| 22:00.10 | Toba_ | one sec, gotta log into jetblue |
| 22:00.17 | summatusmentis | erm... the gps is sitting on my desk, telling me I'm travelling at 0.8km/h |
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| 22:00.35 | darkblue_B | hey! you laugh.. those marketing people dothis constantly.. I know, my wife is one |
| 22:01.25 | summatusmentis | I can't stand flying |
| 22:01.32 | Toba_ | I am okay with it |
| 22:01.35 | Toba_ | but they search me a lot |
| 22:01.39 | Toba_ | evidently I'm suspicious or something |
| 22:01.50 | summatusmentis | Toba_: where's the nearest airport that flies jetblue? |
| 22:01.57 | summatusmentis | see, I haven't been searched once |
| 22:01.57 | Toba_ | I have no idea |
| 22:02.15 | summatusmentis | ah |
| 22:02.24 | summatusmentis | usually uses expedia |
| 22:04.47 | lcuk_ | as root write either powersave,ondemand or performance to /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor (read it first to see, it should be on ondemand) |
| 22:05.47 | lcuk_ | note: if you have a bad process running when it shouldnt your battery will drain more, but on my system i dont see battery drain any slower when in performance |
| 22:06.07 | lcuk_ | (infact nowadays i barely see battery drain at all, its not died in my hands recently) |
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| 22:07.18 | summatusmentis | it makes things better? |
| 22:07.32 | summatusmentis | do you see that much of a performance gain? |
| 22:08.05 | GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, how hard is it to see the N810's screen at zero backlight? |
| 22:08.44 | Atarii | whats happens if you enable that on an n800? |
| 22:08.55 | summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: it's off |
| 22:08.56 | lcuk_ | same i believe |
| 22:09.05 | summatusmentis | haven't tried it outside |
| 22:09.15 | Atarii | next to it it says "warning n800 users" |
| 22:09.24 | GeneralAntilles | Atarii, the backlight turns off. |
| 22:09.29 | GeneralAntilles | Try turning the backlight off on your laptop. |
| 22:09.31 | lcuk_ | 810 screen goes greyscale outside its a strange sensation to cover with hand and have color come back |
| 22:09.48 | GeneralAntilles | You'll have to get a giant flashlight to see the screen to change the setting. ;) |
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| 22:09.52 | summatusmentis | wait... maybe it's not off |
| 22:10.00 | Atarii | oh i see, as in so you cant see anything |
| 22:10.13 | lcuk_ | use hardware keys |
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| 22:10.20 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, but somebody with an N800 wanted to turn it off for some reason |
| 22:10.21 | lcuk_ | dpad to adjust |
| 22:10.26 | summatusmentis | I lied, it's off :) |
| 22:10.31 | GeneralAntilles | and N810 users may want to lock out level 0. |
| 22:10.33 | summatusmentis | it's just like any laptop backlight being off |
| 22:10.36 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk_, not if it closes. |
| 22:10.48 | lcuk_ | yer good point |
| 22:11.13 | summatusmentis | so, GeneralAntilles, the answer to your question is, in a word, very |
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| 22:11.29 | GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, get a flashlight then. :P |
| 22:11.43 | summatusmentis | or just turn off the option :) |
| 22:11.45 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you|, I pinged you earlier. |
| 22:11.49 | GeneralAntilles | That too. |
| 22:11.54 | summatusmentis | he's gone |
| 22:11.58 | summatusmentis | he'll be back later |
| 22:12.11 | GeneralAntilles | He just rejoined. |
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| 22:14.01 | summatusmentis | lol, oh |
| 22:14.04 | summatusmentis | missed that |
| 22:15.27 | GeneralAntilles | :P |
| 22:18.33 | Toba_ | wow |
| 22:18.38 | Toba_ | it's weird not having file |
| 22:20.12 | rm_you | :P |
| 22:20.17 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: sup |
| 22:20.29 | summatusmentis | Toba_: just tried the lock again, took 2 minutes |
| 22:20.35 | lardman | Toba_: apt-get install file |
| 22:20.35 | GeneralAntilles | Hey, so, you checked Garage recently? |
| 22:20.39 | Toba_ | i just did |
| 22:20.53 | GeneralAntilles | We decided before that Nokia's "screen dimmed" level isn't configurable, right? |
| 22:21.04 | Toba_ | lcuk_: hm, editing it in nano does not seem to have 'stuck' |
| 22:21.07 | Toba_ | should I cat it in? |
| 22:21.31 | lcuk_ | not root |
| 22:21.32 | lcuk_ | ? |
| 22:21.46 | Toba_ | no, i am |
| 22:21.49 | Toba_ | I did sudo gainroot |
| 22:22.21 | Atarii | it's always a good sign when you have a problem, search google for the answer, then find the solution is a forum post which you made :S |
| 22:22.56 | Mousey | thats awesome |
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| 22:23.33 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: hrm |
| 22:23.37 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: i think so |
| 22:23.46 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: though I think I can turn screendim off |
| 22:23.52 | GeneralAntilles | OK, then I'll file an enhancement request at some point. |
| 22:23.54 | Atarii | [rm_you|] Atarii: the volume will work, the backlight just won't change |
| 22:23.56 | Atarii | yup |
| 22:23.59 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: by setting a ridiculously high number for the timeout |
| 22:24.08 | GeneralAntilles | Right, moreDimmingOptions |
| 22:24.08 | rm_you | yeah |
| 22:24.09 | rm_you | k |
| 22:24.23 | rm_you | but I can't seem to tell it what level to dim TOP |
| 22:24.29 | rm_you | s/TOP/TO/ |
| 22:24.30 | Atarii | both change with the hardware keys, which is nice :D |
| 22:24.32 | GeneralAntilles | needs to look into kernel hacks for the 770 to work with adv-backlight. |
| 22:24.34 | rm_you | Atarii: yeah :P |
| 22:24.41 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: I have it |
| 22:24.49 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: the code is still there |
| 22:24.54 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: just need to enable it |
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| 22:25.07 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: ever look at the code? :P |
| 22:25.12 | GeneralAntilles | I need to figure out whether fanoush has some precompiled kernels for OS2007/08HE |
| 22:25.36 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, a few times, but I'm thinking about device-side, not our side. ;) |
| 22:26.20 | rm_you | lol but |
| 22:26.22 | rm_you | it is our side |
| 22:26.29 | rm_you | we need to support the other change method |
| 22:26.38 | rm_you | since 770 doesnt use dsme |
| 22:26.44 | GeneralAntilles | Right, but we already have that from way back when. |
| 22:26.53 | rm_you | right |
| 22:26.55 | rm_you | exactly |
| 22:26.58 | rm_you | so whats the problem? |
| 22:26.59 | GeneralAntilles | :D |
| 22:27.03 | rm_you | I can do that fix right now |
| 22:27.10 | rm_you | can already detect a 770 |
| 22:27.14 | GeneralAntilles | None, I just need to figure out what exactly needs to be done for the HE kernels to get it working. |
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| 22:27.23 | rm_you | ah right |
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| 22:27.28 | rm_you | i dont know if anything does |
| 22:27.32 | GeneralAntilles | So I can say, "770 owners, flash this kernel" |
| 22:27.45 | Atarii | ill happily test when you do GeneralAntilles :p |
| 22:28.13 | rm_you | it might straight up WORK |
| 22:28.25 | GeneralAntilles | Atarii, if you want to get a head start, check out fanoush's extended backlight kernel for the 770. |
| 22:28.31 | Atarii | kk |
| 22:29.08 | GeneralAntilles | This is so retarded, any flash suddenly brings my browser (and whole system) to a screeching halt for 30 seconds or so whenever I open a page with it. :\ |
| 22:33.08 | Atarii | GeneralAntilles do you know if fanoush's Kernel flasher works with 2008he? only up to 2007he is listed |
| 22:33.24 | GeneralAntilles | Probably, but I haven't tested it. |
| 22:33.29 | GeneralAntilles | flasher-2.0 will, though. ;) |
| 22:34.02 | Atarii | ok, next which Extended backlight level kernel version do i go for? |
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| 22:34.18 | Atarii | "IT2008 on N800/810"? |
| 22:38.42 | rm_you | hrm |
| 22:39.32 | lardman | ~lart Gnome for being crap |
| 22:39.32 | infobot | chops Gnome in half with a free AOL CD for being crap |
| 22:40.28 | lardman | with the rate at which file browser windows randomly close down, it's a pita that they all run in the same process |
| 22:41.10 | rm_you | yeah |
| 22:41.28 | rm_you | lardman: just now found a network folder i CAN'T OPEN or it crashes all of nautilus |
| 22:41.36 | rm_you | P.O.S. |
| 22:41.48 | rm_you | I like Thunar but it doesnt appear to do network browsing |
| 22:42.06 | lardman | rm_you: yeah I'm using sftp, it crashes far too often and I lose all my windows |
| 22:42.17 | rm_you | I can't believe Gnome is such a popular WM and has been around for so long and has such a HORRIBLE file manager still |
| 22:42.19 | lardman | KDE worked much better |
| 22:42.21 | rm_you | it has ALWAYS been bad |
| 22:42.24 | rm_you | *always* |
| 22:42.49 | rm_you | explorer.exe crashes less than this piece of shit |
| 22:43.37 | rm_you | ... I should try to make a Maemo logo |
| 22:43.39 | andre____ | rm_you, file bugs with useful stacktraces against bugzilla.gnome.org |
| 22:43.53 | andre____ | nautilus is much more stable now compared to 2.16 |
| 22:43.59 | rm_you | andre____: I always do the bug submission thing <_< |
| 22:44.07 | rm_you | dunno what that goes to though |
| 22:44.20 | andre____ | hmm, what distro? |
| 22:44.27 | rm_you | debian |
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| 22:45.22 | andre____ | bugs.debian.org or bugzilla.gnome.org . but you should know where the bug goes, because normally you should receive answers by email ;-) |
| 22:46.21 | rm_you | should I be giving them the email I actually check? >_> |
| 22:46.28 | rm_you | well, brb gotta restart X |
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| 22:47.26 | andre____ | well, if you're interesting in getting that stuff fixed, maybe yes :) |
| 22:47.54 | Atarii | love the feeling you get when something FINALLY works ofter 20 mins :D |
| 22:49.07 | rm_you | Atarii: indeed :P |
| 22:49.17 | rm_you | Atarii: ... or 6 months :P |
| 22:49.21 | Atarii | ouch |
| 22:49.36 | rm_you | FINALLY fixed my debian server so it boots properly |
| 22:49.53 | rm_you | instead of once every 20 reboots, and then requiring a fsck every time on a 1Tb raid |
| 22:50.04 | rm_you | which takes about an hour |
| 22:50.18 | rm_you | anyways, I fixed that yesterday :P |
| 22:50.25 | rm_you | I danced |
| 22:50.30 | Atarii | lol i bet |
| 22:50.40 | Atarii | fsck ftl |
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| 22:52.39 | lardman | ~curse overpopulated trees |
| 22:52.40 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, overpopulated trees ! |
| 22:54.02 | lardman | ~lart lardman for being a muppet |
| 22:54.02 | infobot | does a little 'renice 20 -u lardman' for being a muppet |
| 22:54.27 | lardman | hmm, school-boy error |
| 22:54.50 | rm_you | <_< |
| 22:56.29 | Atarii | who needed some n95 files? |
| 22:56.38 | lardman | Atarii: me please |
| 22:56.52 | Atarii | do you know filenames? |
| 22:57.13 | lardman | no, but we're looking for the powervr driver |
| 22:57.20 | lardman | will probably be called .dll |
| 22:57.39 | lardman | under system perhaps (from what I remember of my Psion series 5) |
| 22:58.13 | lardman | Atarii: I'd be interested to see a listing too, if you can manage that, to make sure I don't miss something |
| 22:58.19 | Atarii | my friend is now searching |
| 22:58.24 | Atarii | this may take a while :( |
| 22:58.28 | lardman | cool, cheers |
| 22:58.31 | lardman | np |
| 22:59.17 | lardman | derf: are you about? |
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| 23:08.56 | lardman | Atarii: I'm going to hit the sack, will you be online tomorrow? |
| 23:09.18 | Atarii | sure |
| 23:09.26 | Atarii | ill get him around 2moz |
| 23:09.33 | Atarii | that will be easier then i can do it |
| 23:09.39 | rm_you | err |
| 23:09.45 | lardman | Cool, I'll speak to you then then, thanks |
| 23:09.51 | lardman | night all |
| 23:09.55 | Atarii | cyas |
| 23:10.01 | rm_you | I thought the problem was that the powervr chip was hooked up to the omap lcd output which isnt used because the resolution wasnt acceptable |
| 23:10.11 | rm_you | damn missed him |
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| 23:10.14 | Atarii | lol |
| 23:10.22 | Atarii | so these drivers prob won't work anyways? |
| 23:10.25 | rm_you | prolly |
| 23:10.34 | rm_you | i thought we determined that was the problem a long time ago |
| 23:11.23 | rm_you | anyone know of a decent (or ANYTHING at this point) mouse/keyboard macro utility for linux? |
| 23:13.08 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, it's a factor, but we should be able to do at least some acceleration. |
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| 23:15.51 | Atarii | GeneralAntilles do you know which "Extended backlight level kernel" version do i go for? |
| 23:16.59 | lcuk_ | rm_you, the iphone runs at a lower resolution quite happy, games run at lower resolution, you enjoy movies at a lower resolution, whats wrong with wanting a jazzy interface and fast games no matter what resolution ;) |
| 23:17.24 | lcuk_ | hell, my program works in lower resolutions |
| 23:17.30 | timely | lcuk_: my first lock in berlin was fine, but once i was at my dest, i couldn't get gps fixes |
| 23:17.41 | timely | really annoying (i never tried w/ the n810, only some other gps) |
| 23:18.40 | lcuk_ | yer, what made it doubly bad was when it did get a lock it planted me right in the middle of the frikkin ocean! i only have maps for the united kingdom so france and all the rest of europe is just sea |
| 23:18.43 | lcuk_ | \:|/ |
| 23:19.59 | timely | heh |
| 23:20.07 | timely | i had locks that stuck me in rome iirc |
| 23:20.16 | GeneralAntilles | Atarii, dunno, haven't looked into it yet. ;) |
| 23:20.17 | timely | although, i can't remember if that was gps or cell |
| 23:20.21 | timely | i think it was cell |
| 23:20.25 | timely | (google maps) |
| 23:20.44 | timely | center of the ocean could be map origin (somewhere off africa) |
| 23:20.57 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk_, I'm not interested in ugly ass non-native resolution interfaces. :) |
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| 23:21.59 | GeneralAntilles | Yeesh, somebody needed to find the svg for the new wiki logo. :\ |
| 23:22.04 | rm_you | lcuk_: not too much wrong with it, just saying that Nokia put a different LCD controller in the n8x0, so the one the powervr is on isn't actually hooked up to anything |
| 23:22.16 | rm_you | so enabling graphics acceleration on it wont do anything |
| 23:22.18 | rm_you | i thought |
| 23:23.02 | GeneralAntilles | You can use it a bit like the dsp. |
| 23:23.04 | lcuk_ | yes it will, the memory buffer created should be writable to main memory, if thats the case it shold be writable over the mmaped region that omapfb gets its data from |
| 23:23.48 | lcuk_ | if we can leave the pvr rendering textures onto triangles we can be doing lots of other stuff, like decoding movies audio game ai file processing etc which would have otherwise been used blitting data around |
| 23:25.16 | lcuk_ | currently a LARGE proportion of the time is taken up rendering to the screen. this machine isnt slow - it just feels it because of the graphics |
| 23:33.15 | Atarii | well that was pretty cool, has remote dekstop working through both my 770 and phone at the same time |
| 23:33.25 | Atarii | not too practical, but something cool to show people |
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