| 00:19.31 | |penguinbait| | AStorm, you still here? |
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| 00:44.46 | dick-richardson | It's in the mail :D |
| 00:46.31 | KotCzarny | whosee mail?? |
| 00:46.32 | KotCzarny | :P |
| 00:46.35 | KotCzarny | wwhose |
| 00:46.37 | KotCzarny | whoose |
| 00:46.41 | KotCzarny | hmm, funny |
| 00:48.03 | dick-richardson | better be mine early next week |
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| 00:49.21 | dick-richardson | it'll be interesting with verizon buying alltel (my provider) to see if my $25 unlimited data plan goes up |
| 00:51.51 | lardman | lcuk: yeah |
| 00:52.24 | lcuk | heh - had enough wine? (i know i have) |
| 00:52.40 | lcuk | raises a glass |
| 00:53.15 | ds3 | how are people who don't have a screen protect's N800 faring? |
| 00:53.28 | ds3 | protector |
| 00:53.36 | dick-richardson | mine got scuffed up pretty good |
| 00:53.40 | lcuk | my 810 is scratched to buggery and its even got a little horrible crack looking scratch |
| 00:54.01 | ds3 | is there something to fix it or at least clean off the finger prints? |
| 00:54.02 | lardman | lcuk: oh yes, Holly's back from a wine tasting session, so am sitting watching music channel and chilling out |
| 00:54.08 | lcuk | but the more i have it in my pocket the more i dont care :) |
| 00:54.09 | |penguinbait| | can anyone help with a C question? : system("/usr/bin/flite.sh") : I can call the script fine, but I want to pass the command line arg #2 to the flite script. anyone ? |
| 00:54.13 | lardman | s/am/are |
| 00:54.44 | lardman | |penguinbait|: you may be able to add it inside the system() call |
| 00:55.04 | lardman | simply stick it in the string that contains the binary name |
| 00:55.14 | ds3 | system( "foo arg1 arg2 ....." ); |
| 00:55.25 | ds3 | system doesn't break it out as that gets passed to sh for expansion |
| 00:55.25 | KotCzarny | pb: wait a moment |
| 00:55.42 | lcuk | char buff[255]; sprintf(buff,"/usr/bin/flite.sh %s",argv[2]); system(buff); or a variant thereof |
| 00:55.46 | |penguinbait| | can anyone help wlike so? system("/usr/bin/flite.sh arg2") |
| 00:55.46 | ds3 | now if you use fork/exec, you will have to do it as separent arguments |
| 00:55.55 | ds3 | |penguinbait|, yep |
| 00:56.09 | |penguinbait| | thanks :) |
| 00:56.24 | ds3 | so no recommended screen cleaners? |
| 00:57.24 | |penguinbait| | it is literally passing arg2 |
| 00:57.28 | lcuk | char buff[255]; snprintf(buff,255,"/usr/bin/flite.sh %s",argv[2]); system(buff); pb, actually this would be better |
| 00:57.30 | KotCzarny | execvp(param_list2[0],param_list2 |
| 00:57.35 | KotCzarny | ); |
| 00:58.14 | ds3 | sorry, misread your question |
| 00:58.45 | ds3 | what lcuk said |
| 00:58.47 | lcuk | ds3, a good glasses cleaning cloth , or a duster or something light |
| 00:58.49 | KotCzarny | where param_list2 is an array of command |
| 00:58.57 | KotCzarny | ie command, param1, param2 etc |
| 00:59.27 | ds3 | lcuk: any moistening? i.e. isopropyl/distill water/windex/etc? |
| 00:59.40 | ds3 | KotCzarny: hope you fork before doing that |
| 00:59.49 | ds3 | unless you plan to give up control |
| 00:59.57 | |penguinbait| | lcuk ? error: `argv' undeclared (first use this function) |
| 01:00.00 | lcuk | ive never touched mine properly, i treat the screen like my glasses though - ill blow warm air on it and rub |
| 01:00.18 | lcuk | int main(int argc, char *argv[]); |
| 01:00.22 | ds3 | |penguinbait|, you need to do that in main |
| 01:00.27 | KotCzarny | pb: first time with c? :) |
| 01:00.28 | |penguinbait| | thanks |
| 01:00.31 | ds3 | with the declarations |
| 01:00.32 | |penguinbait| | yes |
| 01:01.07 | lcuk | check argc has enough parameters before calling out though |
| 01:01.23 | lcuk | you do not want to access argv[2] unless it has been allocated by the system for you |
| 01:01.31 | ds3 | lcuk, but then you are depriving him of being to ask what is a Segfault ;) |
| 01:01.42 | lcuk | heh |
| 01:01.55 | |penguinbait| | lost, head spinning |
| 01:02.00 | |penguinbait| | might be the pints |
| 01:02.05 | lcuk | whats this for pb |
| 01:02.44 | |penguinbait| | I am trying to get maemo mapper to use festival, with spanish, and female and british voices |
| 01:03.00 | |penguinbait| | It wont call my script directly |
| 01:03.29 | lcuk | so you need a wrapper exe to fire offyour script with a known parameter |
| 01:03.32 | |penguinbait| | I need a bin called flite to call my script and pass arg2 |
| 01:03.48 | ds3 | DOH...bad fonts...thought there was a mibviewer_gui thread on ITT but it turned out to be mlbviewer_gui |
| 01:04.08 | ds3 | |penguinbait|, a shell script might be easier |
| 01:04.09 | |penguinbait| | flite is called like this "/usr/bin/flite -t "text to be read" from maemo mapper |
| 01:04.34 | |penguinbait| | it cannot be a script |
| 01:04.37 | ds3 | something like "#!/bin/sh; exec /usr/bin/flite newarguments $* |
| 01:04.40 | |penguinbait| | I have a script now |
| 01:04.42 | ds3 | why not? |
| 01:04.48 | lardman | night all |
| 01:05.05 | |penguinbait| | gnuite says it has to be binary |
| 01:05.15 | KotCzarny | pb, you will have probably to quote the param |
| 01:05.21 | |penguinbait| | he said he used execl ?? |
| 01:05.33 | KotCzarny | because system() calls the bash and execs it as it is |
| 01:05.33 | ds3 | exec should work with scripts |
| 01:05.46 | ds3 | back to catching up on ITT |
| 01:06.41 | AStorm | ds3: exec doesn't launch a shell by default |
| 01:06.45 | |penguinbait| | Kot ? |
| 01:06.49 | KotCzarny | ? |
| 01:06.50 | AStorm | you need to use /bin/sh or something |
| 01:06.54 | KotCzarny | no |
| 01:07.02 | KotCzarny | system calls bash anyway |
| 01:07.24 | AStorm | system, yes |
| 01:07.26 | AStorm | exec, no |
| 01:07.39 | KotCzarny | correct |
| 01:07.42 | AStorm | ofc. the script would need +x |
| 01:07.55 | AStorm | and partition w/o noexec |
| 01:08.55 | KotCzarny | unless he will call system("/bin/sh -c his_script \"params\""); |
| 01:08.59 | lcuk | quick gcc question, without a makefile or anything, whats the syntax to do instant single .c to binary? |
| 01:09.11 | AStorm | KotCzarny: that would work anyway |
| 01:09.12 | KotCzarny | gcc pli.c -o pli |
| 01:09.19 | lcuk | ta |
| 01:09.30 | KotCzarny | without -o pli you get a.out |
| 01:09.31 | AStorm | but it's wasteful |
| 01:09.43 | |penguinbait| | thanks guys, its working great |
| 01:09.58 | AStorm | execve("sh","-c","the_script", "params"); |
| 01:10.02 | AStorm | use this |
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| 01:13.18 | AStorm | wait, my mistake |
| 01:13.24 | AStorm | not execve, but execle |
| 01:13.24 | lcuk | tapenguin http://pastebin.ca/1047317 |
| 01:13.28 | lcuk | damn! |
| 01:13.44 | lcuk | undoes it |
| 01:14.12 | AStorm | ENOENT? ;P |
| 01:14.20 | AStorm | well, then create it |
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| 01:15.14 | AStorm | write the shell script |
| 01:15.28 | AStorm | but I still suggest execle instead of system |
| 01:15.46 | AStorm | less security problems that way (like shell escapes and expansions) |
| 01:16.29 | lcuk | penguin, is the second parameter an mp3 title |
| 01:16.42 | |penguinbait| | "text to be read" |
| 01:17.01 | |penguinbait| | it is like "head south on I-94" |
| 01:17.07 | |penguinbait| | I need the " |
| 01:17.17 | AStorm | |penguinbait|: well, execle("sh","-c","/usr/bin/foo.sh",argv[1]); |
| 01:17.23 | lcuk | look at the pastebin i have just posted |
| 01:17.24 | AStorm | or, wait, no |
| 01:17.40 | lcuk | its got code, compiling and examples :) |
| 01:17.44 | |penguinbait| | I am trying now |
| 01:17.56 | AStorm | I know now why it isn't working with /usr/bin/flite being a shell script |
| 01:18.00 | AStorm | maemo-mapper uses execve |
| 01:18.01 | AStorm | ;P |
| 01:18.07 | AStorm | or execle |
| 01:19.20 | AStorm | goes to sleep... finally |
| 01:19.23 | AStorm | night |
| 01:19.49 | lcuk | night storm |
| 01:20.52 | ds3 | what you don't like my "";rm -rf /&" name? ;) |
| 01:21.17 | lcuk | but you are the mapper calling |
| 01:22.47 | lcuk | if the operator can run arbitary file system commands anyway, why not just run the rm -rf manually without needing to use a none elevated wrapper? |
| 01:25.22 | lcuk | gets back to liqgame.c |
| 01:25.49 | KotCzarny | game? |
| 01:25.52 | KotCzarny | o.O |
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| 01:32.15 | lcuk | o.O indeed. i need to learn about input methods and try a few things |
| 01:32.24 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:39.01 | pupnik | i need an 'input method' |
| 01:39.34 | lcuk | beer.open(); |
| 01:40.00 | KotCzarny | that's an opener method |
| 01:40.01 | ds3 | SIGPIPE |
| 01:40.17 | lcuk | SIGCIG |
| 01:40.44 | KotCzarny | SIGGULP |
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| 02:45.03 | Xamusk | hi, I've got a N800 recently and I'm having problems installing maemo-recorder |
| 02:45.34 | Xamusk | the installer is saying that it was impossible to install |
| 02:46.07 | Xamusk | Is there a workaround to this or another recording app? |
| 02:50.24 | Dekaritae | Check the details in the install screen |
| 02:50.51 | Xamusk | Dekaritae, it doesn't say anything about that |
| 02:52.54 | Dekaritae | It usually lists package conflicts |
| 02:53.02 | Xamusk | it just says that it will take a given amount of memory |
| 02:53.14 | Dekaritae | After that step |
| 02:54.27 | Xamusk | there's only three tabs: a brief, a description and an "installing" tab |
| 02:55.16 | Dekaritae | Under description |
| 02:55.24 | Xamusk | the last one is the one that usually displays dependencies and sutff, but for maemo-recorder it's just saying that it will take 254Kb of memory |
| 02:55.56 | Xamusk | under description there's only: Maemo Recorder - A simple graphical utility for recording audio from microphone. |
| 02:56.56 | Dekaritae | Ok, hmm. When I try to install mogg, it shows a Problems tab with package confllicts |
| 02:57.21 | Xamusk | I guess there's no (known) conflicts |
| 02:57.31 | Dekaritae | What's the status under Summary |
| 02:58.06 | Xamusk | it says that it's installable |
| 02:58.30 | Xamusk | the installer downloads the file but fails in the middle of the installation |
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| 03:08.11 | Dekaritae | Sorry, I don't know |
| 03:08.24 | Dekaritae | Anyone else here using Bell Mobility? |
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| 03:23.15 | Xamusk | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/maemo-recorder_0.2.0_armel.deb (--unpack): |
| 03:23.16 | Xamusk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:51.12 | Cobi | Is there a linux tool I can use to download maemo-mapper compatible maps on my desktop? |
| 03:51.25 | Cobi | (To transfer to my N810) |
| 03:52.16 | Dekaritae | Qemu? |
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| 04:13.28 | Toba | I know this is a stupid question |
| 04:13.44 | Mousey | hides |
| 04:13.50 | Toba | but is there any way to get the terminal that comes with the n810 (osso_xterm) to do default white on black text? |
| 04:13.57 | Toba | I can only seem to change the background not the foreground |
| 04:14.01 | Mousey | ph |
| 04:14.03 | Mousey | oh |
| 04:14.09 | Toba | i feel stupid |
| 04:14.09 | Mousey | yup |
| 04:14.25 | Mousey | mine is set that way by default, |
| 04:14.29 | Mousey | hmm, |
| 04:15.22 | Mousey | click on the name of the font |
| 04:15.42 | Mousey | it is a dialog box in disguise as a clever button |
| 04:16.02 | Toba | sweet |
| 04:16.03 | Toba | thanks dude. |
| 04:16.31 | Mousey | np |
| 04:16.48 | Toba | this gronmayer site is great. |
| 04:17.14 | Mousey | oh? is that the one with all the repos? |
| 04:17.17 | Toba | yea |
| 04:17.40 | Mousey | yah. i added ALL of them, but then, i'm insane |
| 04:17.58 | Toba | it wouldn't work with all of them |
| 04:18.01 | Toba | gave me crap about updating |
| 04:18.07 | Toba | and it was too stupid to tell me WHICH one broke |
| 04:18.12 | Toba | so I had to go around and randomly kill some |
| 04:18.54 | Toba | argh, it seems like pynotify isn't available |
| 04:19.13 | Mousey | i *did* say i was insane |
| 04:22.57 | GeneralAntilles | You need about 2 |
| 04:23.02 | GeneralAntilles | Extras and Extras-devel |
| 04:23.06 | GeneralAntilles | maybe FBReader |
| 04:23.37 | Mousey | ha! dullard! |
| 04:23.42 | Mousey | ^_^ |
| 04:24.31 | Mousey | and whatever one "personal menu" is in |
| 04:24.47 | Mousey | cuz damn, contacts is a useless button |
| 04:25.07 | GeneralAntilles | Extras |
| 04:25.09 | GeneralAntilles | Or should be |
| 04:25.15 | GeneralAntilles | It's either not in a repo or in Extras. |
| 04:25.53 | Mousey | it's totally in a repo. take it from me, a seasoned repo whore |
| 04:26.03 | Mousey | ^___^ |
| 04:26.30 | GeneralAntilles | Then it's in Extras. |
| 04:26.40 | Toba | adds extras-devel and fbreader |
| 04:27.10 | GeneralAntilles | Toba, you may want to browse through the list and see if there's anything else that interests you, but, generally speaking, stuff not in Extras really shouldn't be worth your time. |
| 04:27.25 | GeneralAntilles | The other exception might be nitapps.com |
| 04:27.32 | Toba | jalimo had a JVM |
| 04:27.38 | GeneralAntilles | somebody really needs to get him to upload his stuff to Extras(-devel) |
| 04:27.41 | Toba | but I would like a JVM with most of the standard java libraries |
| 04:27.42 | Mousey | i wish it was a JVM |
| 04:28.04 | Mousey | want a jvm? install palmos (aka garnetvm) |
| 04:28.19 | Mousey | it's actually not inna repo |
| 04:28.30 | Mousey | there, my secret is out |
| 04:28.45 | Toba | uh, where *is* it |
| 04:29.39 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.access-company.com/products/gvm/ |
| 04:30.16 | Toba | niiiiiice |
| 04:30.21 | Mousey | yah, but it's a lot like chopping down a redwood to make a toothpick |
| 04:30.32 | Toba | I guess it is |
| 04:30.38 | Toba | I don't need all this palm stuff |
| 04:30.43 | Toba | I don't even really *need* this |
| 04:30.47 | Toba | I can just ssh out and run this app somewhere else |
| 04:30.57 | Toba | or maybe I could install vmware on my n810 and run gentoo inside |
| 04:30.58 | Mousey | rite.. but, no maemo jvm |
| 04:30.59 | Toba | <_< >_> |
| 04:31.01 | Toba | kids |
| 04:31.53 | GeneralAntilles | vmware doesn't work on ARM. :\ |
| 04:31.57 | GeneralAntilles | It's not an emulator |
| 04:32.52 | Toba | I know |
| 04:32.56 | Toba | maybe qemu... |
| 04:33.04 | GeneralAntilles | Pfft |
| 04:33.13 | GeneralAntilles | DOSBox does x86 at about 16MHz on a good day. |
| 04:33.17 | Mousey | there's probably an ARM branch distro of gentoo that would work. but it sonds like more work than would be worth it |
| 04:33.28 | Mousey | debian is probably more practical |
| 04:33.32 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 04:33.44 | Toba | yeah, probably |
| 04:33.52 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20053 |
| 04:34.13 | Toba | I wish the n810 had virtual desktops like most linux does |
| 04:34.19 | Toba | but I guess I don't run *that* much on it |
| 04:34.20 | Toba | so it's silly |
| 04:34.57 | Toba | are there any good directconnect clients for maemo? |
| 04:35.15 | Toba | or is usb much smarter for this |
| 04:36.05 | GeneralAntilles | sftp? |
| 04:37.14 | Toba | hm that would work |
| 04:37.23 | Mousey | smb |
| 04:37.25 | Mousey | nfs |
| 04:37.35 | Mousey | rsync |
| 04:37.36 | Toba | sshfs works but it's not that good gui wise |
| 04:37.42 | Mousey | grsync! |
| 04:37.45 | Toba | :o |
| 04:37.49 | shapr | 16gb sdhc card! |
| 04:38.12 | Mousey | not for mini/micro tho is it? |
| 04:38.33 | Toba | I thought there was a lower limit on the n810 sd card wise |
| 04:38.35 | Toba | or some stupid thing |
| 04:38.35 | shapr | Nah, I've only been able to find fullsize sd cards. |
| 04:38.40 | shapr | A lower limit? |
| 04:38.52 | shapr | Fullsize SD cards fit into my N800. |
| 04:39.05 | shapr | And I have two 16gb cards! That's a lot of space. |
| 04:39.42 | Toba | I mean |
| 04:39.49 | Toba | that n810 can't take as big a card as n800 can |
| 04:39.53 | Mousey | shapr, 8 have one in an eee900 |
| 04:40.32 | shapr | Also, the N810 doesn't have an internal SDHC slot, right? |
| 04:40.37 | Mousey | i am envious of that n800 tho. that's a lot of space |
| 04:41.03 | shapr | Toshiba produces 32GB cards, but I haven't been able to find them for sale anywhere. |
| 04:41.24 | shapr | I'm especially happy that I found class 6 16gb sdhc cards. |
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| 04:46.49 | Toba | why would the n810 have reduced storage capacity? |
| 04:46.52 | Toba | I don't get why they would do that to us |
| 04:47.29 | Toba | yeah the limit is 8gb on the n810 :( |
| 04:48.17 | shapr | What limit? |
| 04:49.33 | GeneralAntilles | Toba, the size limit in the N810 is 2048GB |
| 04:49.42 | GeneralAntilles | They reduced the size of the SD card because they ran out of room. |
| 04:50.36 | Toba | it says in the manual that the 'limit' is 8GB. |
| 04:50.55 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 04:51.04 | GeneralAntilles | Toba, that's just what they tested it with |
| 04:51.07 | Toba | oh |
| 04:51.07 | shapr | My 16gb cards work fine in my N800. |
| 04:51.10 | GeneralAntilles | The hardware limit is 2048GB |
| 04:51.12 | KotCzarny | and you are not grown enough to not to trust every written sentence? |
| 04:51.15 | shapr | And they work in my OLPC XOs as well. |
| 04:51.33 | Toba | KotCzarny: what I am seeing in this channel is also written sentences. |
| 04:51.39 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 04:51.47 | KotCzarny | so choose your wisdom source |
| 04:51.55 | KotCzarny | manual written few years ago |
| 04:52.00 | shapr | Toba: Or even easier, get a 16gb card and try it out. |
| 04:52.01 | KotCzarny | or current PRACTICAL knowledge |
| 04:52.10 | Toba | shapr: yeah, I guess if all else fails I can just put it in my camera. |
| 04:52.38 | GeneralAntilles | Micro/MiniSD cards don't exist in any sort of volume yet. |
| 05:00.39 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 05:00.50 | KotCzarny | nwn1 almost playable on my ati 7000 :> |
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| 05:29.26 | jitu3485 | Hi, how can we install xulrunner in maemo chinook? |
| 05:29.45 | jitu3485 | apt-get install xulrunner is not working |
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| 05:56.14 | mib_1ksrts | ~easyroot |
| 05:56.15 | infobot | somebody said easyroot was an easy way to get root access on OS2008 and can be found at http://nitapps.com |
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| 06:14.06 | opendeep | #openmoko |
| 06:17.33 | Italodance | um |
| 06:17.35 | Italodance | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=191954#post191954 |
| 06:17.40 | Italodance | what u think? |
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| 06:33.47 | lopz | night |
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| 06:56.35 | Addison | Qwerty!!!! What's up G money dog nuts? :) |
| 06:58.29 | qwerty12 | Lol, hi, lets chat on the PM :) |
| 06:58.38 | qwerty12 | (IRC PM that is) |
| 06:59.13 | Addison | Okay. I'm using http://java.freenode.net/ for the first time. How can I do that? |
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| 07:00.06 | qwerty12 | No idea, have any tabs with my name come up? :/ |
| 07:02.30 | Addison | http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/3379/61278126cn6.png |
| 07:03.17 | qwerty12 | Dodgy, does anything come up when you double click my name? |
| 07:03.32 | Addison | I get poop squat... :( |
| 07:03.44 | Addison | Just your real name I think. |
| 07:03.58 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:04.02 | GeneralAntilles | Get a real client, though. |
| 07:04.44 | Addison | If I right click on your name I can kick, ban, or even better yet, kick and ban you all at once. Should I try that? :) |
| 07:04.56 | GeneralAntilles | You don't have operator status. |
| 07:05.08 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:05.09 | Addison | Well I should. |
| 07:05.15 | qwerty12 | Thanks, GeneralAntilles. Addison: type what GeneralAntilles said. |
| 07:05.29 | Addison | Yeah, I tried that but I got "msg : insufficient parameters" |
| 07:05.54 | qwerty12 | http://www.silverex.org/ ? |
| 07:06.09 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:06.27 | Addison | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:06.34 | Addison | Yikes. |
| 07:06.38 | GeneralAntilles | Without a leading space. |
| 07:06.51 | qwerty12 | No wait, you have to be registered on freenode iirc to send pm's |
| 07:07.01 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:07.36 | GeneralAntilles | Already registered |
| 07:07.38 | GeneralAntilles | pick another nick |
| 07:07.41 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:07.53 | Addison | I typed this "/msg nickserv register poopers zippy_the_wonderslug@hotmail.com" |
| 07:08.07 | qwerty12 | Now we know your password :/ |
| 07:08.08 | qwerty12 | :P |
| 07:08.11 | Addison | And got this "Addison is already registered." .... but I think that's me. |
| 07:08.21 | GeneralAntilles | Did you log on 15 hours ago? |
| 07:08.24 | GeneralAntilles | Are you a drupal.org user? |
| 07:08.24 | Addison | No. |
| 07:08.30 | GeneralAntilles | Then it's not you. |
| 07:08.34 | GeneralAntilles | Pick a new nick. |
| 07:08.37 | qwerty12 | Just get a real client, I don't this java stuff is working |
| 07:09.11 | Addison | Okay. Let me download Mirc. My internet connection runs on Dixie cups and string wire. Should only take me about a day. |
| 07:10.19 | qwerty12 | http://www.mibbit.com/ may work better |
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| 07:20.23 | Addison | Oh dear lord. I'm trying to use Mirc but I'm getting all this weirdness.... |
| 07:20.25 | Addison | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:20.58 | Addison | This one is my favorite though.... |
| 07:20.59 | Addison | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:21.18 | beford | 6668? |
| 07:21.34 | Addison | It's a random server I guess. |
| 07:21.38 | beford | oh, this server uses some non-standard ports |
| 07:21.40 | Addison | That's all I had to choose from. |
| 07:22.00 | beford | yea, I just noticed I am currently connected to chat.freenode.net (82.96.64.4) port 8001 |
| 07:23.18 | Addison | Hey qwerty, what's the need for a private chat anyway? I'm not looking for any type of tawdry smut action online sex with you. :) |
| 07:23.51 | qwerty12 | Haha, it's just easier for me to explain stuff like that :) |
| 07:24.10 | Addison | Well, this is where I am right now.... |
| 07:24.11 | Addison | Connect retry #22 chat.freenode.net (6668) |
| 07:24.20 | Addison | It's not looking too promising. |
| 07:25.08 | qwerty12 | Fair enough, what do you want to ask anyway? |
| 07:25.38 | Addison | Just wanted to chat you up for while I'm still conscious. I was hoping that you could trick out my tablet like yours. |
| 07:25.47 | GeneralAntilles | You don't want to do that. |
| 07:25.59 | qwerty12 | ^ |
| 07:26.08 | qwerty12 | Haha, my tablets plain anyway atm |
| 07:26.24 | GeneralAntilles | A. It's pointless B. It'll just run down your battery C. and make it unstable and D. It's pointless. |
| 07:26.58 | Addison | Hold on. I think I might actually be in good standing with Mirc. |
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| 07:27.11 | Zippy | Joy! |
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| 07:29.57 | qwerty12 | Anyone know where I can get an amixer binary from? debian packages is down for me otherwise, I'd have jacked it from there |
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| 07:38.52 | johnx | qwerty12, it's up here |
| 07:39.02 | johnx | just slow |
| 07:39.20 | qwerty12 | It keeps timing out for me :/ |
| 07:40.42 | qwerty12 | I'll just go on the main alsa website and compile alsa-tools, alsa-utils .14 -it must be in one of them somewhere |
| 07:40.51 | johnx | heh...just remembered I'm *on* a Debian system. I'll just tell you what package amixer is in. :P |
| 07:41.44 | qwerty12 | Thanks for reminding me :) :P |
| 07:41.45 | qwerty12 | alsa-utils |
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| 07:57.08 | qwerty12 | Okie, N800 uses PCM instead of Master right? |
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| 08:37.25 | qwerty12 | Is there a sort of grep command that will go into every file in a directory and replace bash with sh? |
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| 08:41.30 | beford | sed ? |
| 08:41.57 | qwerty12 | I dunno, as long as it works in all honesty :/. I'll man sed. |
| 08:44.15 | beford | probably find + sed will work |
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| 08:45.43 | user__ | Hi ! |
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| 08:46.19 | Deka | Anyone using 10.5? |
| 08:46.41 | qwerty12 | er, 10.5 of what? |
| 08:46.51 | Khertan | 10.5 ? Leopard ? |
| 08:47.08 | Khertan | no sorry ... too restricted os |
| 08:48.40 | GeneralAntilles | pokes johnx with a sharpened stick. |
| 08:48.52 | X-Fade | Morning. |
| 08:49.08 | qwerty12 | Morning |
| 08:49.26 | X-Fade | Nice post from Ted Tso btw: http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2008/06/13/learning-how-to-communicate/ |
| 08:50.57 | Deka | Ah, a friend of mine upgraded to Leopard and now her iBook is too slow to use |
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| 08:53.43 | beford | qwerty12, http://atonal.ucdavis.edu/resources/general_howto/replace_strings_howto.htm |
| 08:53.50 | beford | perl ftw |
| 08:54.02 | qwerty12 | beford, thanks! |
| 08:55.50 | GeneralAntilles | Deka, spotlight indexing? |
| 08:56.03 | Deka | Yeah, that could be it |
| 08:56.12 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, who do I need to talk to to get a voting script set up? |
| 08:56.12 | Deka | It's just, it takes about ten minutes to cold boot |
| 08:56.26 | GeneralAntilles | How much space is left on the drive? |
| 08:56.31 | GeneralAntilles | Was it a clean upgrade? |
| 08:56.47 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Is there a wiki plugin for it? |
| 08:56.49 | Deka | Oh, it was a full format |
| 08:57.02 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, good question, but I highly doubt it. |
| 08:57.17 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: It really depends on where we want to run it. |
| 08:57.18 | GeneralAntilles | Wikipedia doesn't really do voting. |
| 08:57.32 | GeneralAntilles | Well, I need it for two things, the logo contest and the community council elections. |
| 08:57.42 | GeneralAntilles | Both should be using the garage accounts. |
| 08:58.39 | Deka | Ok, this is effing cool |
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| 08:59.13 | Dekaritae | According to Dmitrygr, the MMC specification allows for daisy chaining. You can wire up to eight MMC cards to one slot and access them serially |
| 08:59.29 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: There is a midgard poll module available, this might be setup + some filtering. |
| 09:00.25 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Task:Community_Council#Council_voting_karma_requirements and http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Task:maemo.org_logo_contest#False_Voting_Prevention |
| 09:00.40 | GeneralAntilles | Basically, the accounts need to be a certain age OR have about a certain amount of karma. |
| 09:00.51 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Yeah, I track Recent Changes ;) |
| 09:01.06 | GeneralAntilles | I figured as much, but just in case. |
| 09:01.22 | X-Fade | That query won't be a big problem. |
| 09:01.45 | X-Fade | We should know account creation date and we know karma. |
| 09:02.05 | X-Fade | Speaking of karma, did you see a change in yours? |
| 09:02.46 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 09:02.47 | GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/profile/view/qgil.html |
| 09:02.49 | GeneralAntilles | SIGN OF THE BEAST! |
| 09:03.04 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, mine changed. |
| 09:03.06 | X-Fade | Heh. |
| 09:03.44 | X-Fade | The problem was that the script ran too long with all the users that it timed out somewhere ;) |
| 09:03.53 | GeneralAntilles | Oops |
| 09:05.50 | X-Fade | I'd suggest you mail a request for the poll and requirements to the maemo2midgard mailinglist. There we have all the tech people on one list, so we can discuss if it is doable. |
| 09:06.04 | GeneralAntilles | Right-o |
| 09:06.20 | X-Fade | During next week, we will create a maemo-community list. |
| 09:06.22 | AStorm | well, default CFS as of that version is too... granular for maemo ;P |
| 09:07.11 | AStorm | and that version has bugs |
| 09:07.27 | AStorm | need a backport of the new CFS patches |
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| 09:16.10 | X-Fade | Khertan: ping? |
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| 09:20.07 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, OK, sent. |
| 09:20.26 | GeneralAntilles | Any progress on the login page? |
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| 09:21.28 | X-Fade | Not yet, there were some other serious issues to attend to first. But I will ping Ferenc again. |
| 09:22.11 | GeneralAntilles | Alright, cool. |
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| 09:39.21 | Radic | is the usbstorage and usbfs support already in the kernel of os2008 included? |
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| 10:02.29 | Italodance | roadmap is wayfinder? |
| 10:02.31 | Italodance | yes? |
| 10:02.36 | qwerty12 | No |
| 10:02.48 | Italodance | ph |
| 10:02.52 | Italodance | ,,, |
| 10:03.27 | Italodance | qwerty12 |
| 10:03.31 | Italodance | ....... |
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| 10:26.50 | beford | does fmradio work on n810? |
| 10:27.00 | qwerty12 | No, doesn't have a tuner |
| 10:27.03 | X-Fade | Without a radio inside? |
| 10:28.21 | beford | I see, thanks |
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| 10:46.05 | Dekaritae | iceweasel |
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| 11:38.27 | b0unc3 | guys, is there any way to get the current cpu speed in MHz ? |
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| 11:44.32 | macoute | b0unc3: havent checked, but id say cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 11:46.28 | macoute | i disabled lifeguard, now if i flash it again with the modified bootmenu-flash, does my lifeguard get enabled again? |
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| 11:52.14 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: yo |
| 11:52.50 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: lol |
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| 12:03.23 | lcuk | is known in russia |
| 12:09.37 | rm_you | lcuk: ? >_> |
| 12:09.54 | rm_you | lcuk: release your stuff yet? :P |
| 12:10.17 | lcuk | well people have found an early playtest binary so merrr i mustv |
| 12:10.32 | rm_you | <_< |
| 12:10.41 | rm_you | a decently NEW version? >_> |
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| 12:11.26 | lcuk | april17th, so nahhh |
| 12:12.09 | rm_you | >_< |
| 12:12.20 | rm_you | whatev. i'm gonna go nap |
| 12:12.39 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: I'll hit you up later |
| 12:12.40 | lcuk | burry muff, cya later |
| 12:13.38 | Dekaritae | http://www.flickr.com/photos/qole2/2532880923/ |
| 12:13.40 | Dekaritae | Want |
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| 12:30.18 | eichi | if i use the whole planet.osm file für navit, the table will slow down very much, doenst it? |
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| 12:40.42 | eichi | is there no wget on maemo per default? |
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| 13:26.17 | lcuk | KotCzarny, ping |
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| 13:34.40 | unixSnob | does the web brower work for URLs that start with "wyciwyg://" ? |
| 13:35.37 | unixSnob | and btw, what's the idea behind that protocol? |
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| 14:24.46 | darkblue_B | Hello - Day 3 with the N800 |
| 14:25.17 | darkblue_B | my two friends, both "power users" with mainly macs, each failed to get the OS Flashing to go |
| 14:26.20 | darkblue_B | I got mine right away, mainly due to a little prompting from this channel, and the fact that I have an Ubuntu box, and I know enough to use it for a few things.. (I am a coder, but far from Linux power user) |
| 14:27.12 | darkblue_B | at any rate.. the N800 is happily playing Internet radio into my stereo to my left as I type ths.. thanks to the channel.. I have ssh and vnc to it, too |
| 14:28.16 | darkblue_B | Q. AIM .. the chat client didnt seem to have an AIM account option. Is that true? Is there an Adium for maemo ?? |
| 14:29.17 | Veggen | hmm. darkblue: There's two options - one, installing pidgin - that's not so "integrated" solution but works for many. |
| 14:29.55 | GAN800 | pidgin sucks. Get the Collabora telepathy plugin for it |
| 14:30.07 | GAN800 | The repo is listed on gronmayer |
| 14:30.26 | darkblue_B | I am still lost with this repo situation.. |
| 14:30.26 | Veggen | GAN800: Hmm...is that different than rtcomm beta? |
| 14:30.37 | GAN800 | Alternatively, just set up am AIM transport with a google talk account and use that. |
| 14:30.45 | GAN800 | Veggen, yes. |
| 14:30.48 | darkblue_B | oh |
| 14:31.11 | darkblue_B | pidgen sucks.. thats a clue! I wish to avoid sucky packages!! |
| 14:31.22 | darkblue_B | so.. AIM transport with Google Talk eh? |
| 14:31.33 | GAN800 | darkblue_B, there are really only two you need, and that's Extras (included by default) and maybe Extras-devel. |
| 14:32.17 | Veggen | GAN800: Things are getting better in that regard, yes? developers are using the extras repository more? |
| 14:34.25 | darkblue_B | btw- I just broughtup the VNC connection while typing this |
| 14:35.04 | darkblue_B | odd how I cant seem to click on the "4 tiles" icon, or bring up the keyboard interface, with a VNC originated click |
| 14:35.09 | darkblue_B | other than that everything works |
| 14:36.20 | GAN800 | You may or may not find interest in a couple of other repos. I would probably recommend the FBReader, repo, Collabora and nitapps.com |
| 14:36.43 | darkblue_B | how do I add these to the App Mgr (or whatnot) ? |
| 14:36.55 | darkblue_B | or find the right address! :-) |
| 14:38.09 | darkblue_B | maemo.org/community/application Catalog/ Extras... |
| 14:38.12 | darkblue_B | looking |
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| 14:39.18 | darkblue_B | oh wait.. this is instrutions for a pkg builder |
| 14:40.44 | darkblue_B | os2008 .. I believe... is chinook.. what I have |
| 14:41.14 | darkblue_B | lot of refs to bora |
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| 14:43.00 | Veggen | http://www.gronmayer.com/it/ is a decent list of repositories. and one-click-install-files for them all. |
| 14:44.33 | unixSnob | darkblue_B: the file you're going to be messing with is /etc/apt/sources.list I believe |
| 14:44.35 | darkblue_B | Veggen: thx looking |
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| 14:45.03 | darkblue_B | unixSnob: ok I can look at that |
| 14:45.14 | unixSnob | (that's if you add to the apt-get repository).. the app manager gets more repositories using the gui |
| 14:45.43 | Veggen | unixSnob: it's the same repository. |
| 14:46.03 | unixSnob | Veggen: nice.. I was wondering that |
| 14:46.13 | Veggen | app manager is just a gui for apt. |
| 14:46.29 | darkblue_B | I like GUIs generally |
| 14:46.53 | darkblue_B | (I build them ;-) |
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| 14:49.13 | rafael | hi, anybody can help me? |
| 14:49.43 | Veggen | rafael: No. Because we don't know what you need help with, yet :) |
| 14:49.54 | darkblue_B | file /etc/apt/sources.list is empty right now.... |
| 14:50.07 | darkblue_B | hi rafael |
| 14:51.14 | rafael | i'm try the pluthon |
| 14:52.06 | rafael | I don't know, you can help me with Pluthon on Maemo? |
| 14:52.23 | darkblue_B | repository Maemo chinook.. thats me with os2008, y? |
| 14:52.40 | Veggen | rafael: Not tried it myself (but hang around, someone might have, but not everyone here is active all the time) |
| 14:53.05 | rafael | uhm.. |
| 14:53.06 | rafael | :( |
| 14:53.10 | rafael | ok |
| 14:53.33 | Veggen | darkblue: yes, OS2008 is chinook. |
| 14:53.49 | darkblue_B | thx |
| 14:54.05 | darkblue_B | I dont see extras-dev yet |
| 14:54.13 | rafael | i'm using Eclipse on Ubuntu with Pydev and Pluthon, and Pluthon on My Os2008 on N800 |
| 14:54.34 | darkblue_B | hmm neat |
| 14:55.13 | Veggen | well, gotta go. |
| 14:55.26 | darkblue_B | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:55.28 | darkblue_B | thx |
| 14:56.32 | rafael | on Eclipse, when I try connect on N800, the pluthon need 2 passwords, to Ssh... |
| 14:57.33 | rafael | ok, i entry with this and the console of eclipse, show "exit 0" :S |
| 14:57.47 | rafael | i don't undestand... |
| 14:58.21 | rafael | how is it? :S |
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| 15:00.27 | darkblue_B | you can connect w/ regular ssh yes? |
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| 15:00.57 | darkblue_B | oops bye :p |
| 15:05.40 | darkblue_B | ok, thanks to that great link, I now have a few more repositories enabled |
| 15:06.20 | darkblue_B | file /etc/apt/sources.list is *still* empty though |
| 15:06.33 | darkblue_B | so its not exactly the source for the new listings for apt |
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| 15:07.31 | qwerty12 | check the file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 15:08.41 | darkblue_B | yep.. thats the one |
| 15:09.06 | darkblue_B | hildon application manager.list |
| 15:11.17 | darkblue_B | it would be great to set up the AIM transport for Google Talk |
| 15:11.29 | darkblue_B | with the built in Chat app I suppose .. |
| 15:11.40 | darkblue_B | I wonder how I go about that... hmmm. |
| 15:12.39 | fnordianslip | has anyone looked at PyGUI on maemo before? it seems to work quite well. |
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| 15:14.29 | darkblue_B | re Google Talk and AIM.. the help page at Google talks about Pidgen.. but i havent found anyhting else yet |
| 15:15.21 | darkblue_B | hmm instrutions are promising.. |
| 15:20.23 | darkblue_B | nope... advanced settings on chat account dont line up with the AIM bridge instructions |
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| 15:39.00 | AStorm | ok, now building a kernel with CFS patched up to 2.6.25 |
| 15:44.07 | AStorm | nah, build errors, so I messed up ;P |
| 15:44.09 | AStorm | fixing |
| 15:46.42 | AStorm | NOOOOO... |
| 15:46.48 | AStorm | I messed up, badly |
| 15:46.55 | AStorm | so that hour of work went... away |
| 15:47.06 | AStorm | next time, remind me to use STGit |
| 15:47.11 | Proteous | doh |
| 15:47.51 | AStorm | did a checkout in a wrong dir |
| 15:47.56 | AStorm | and git is too helpful ;P |
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| 15:49.36 | AStorm | at least I now know where to avoid mistakes |
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| 16:11.48 | dick-richardson | The tech pundits are increasingly leaving me wanting |
| 16:13.13 | dick-richardson | advocating open-source w/o actually using it |
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| 16:16.18 | Gnuton | hi there |
| 16:20.21 | lcuk2 | dick which pundits |
| 16:20.30 | lcuk2 | hi gnuton |
| 16:20.49 | Gnuton | hey lcuk2 |
| 16:20.51 | Gnuton | :) |
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| 16:21.21 | lcuk2 | cant thumb type with 810 on chest |
| 16:23.57 | dick-richardson | lcuk2: laporte and crew. was listening to this week in tech and they were rather disparaging toward web tablets while hoping that apple was going to release one |
| 16:24.33 | dick-richardson | the device they were hoping apple would release was almost identical to the n810 |
| 16:26.21 | dieman | yeah |
| 16:26.45 | dieman | they really just want a iphone as eee or something |
| 16:27.15 | dieman | anyhow, i'd still prefer maemo |
| 16:27.44 | dick-richardson | or the n810 with an apple logo...betraying a lack of understanding of the open source community |
| 16:32.02 | tank-man | i have an apple sticker that came with an ipod |
| 16:33.22 | tank-man | i find apple fan boys usually use the term "snappy" to describe their experience |
| 16:34.02 | dick-richardson | my wife own an ipod touch |
| 16:34.26 | AStorm | tank-man: they should use the term "snazzy" instead ;P |
| 16:35.00 | tank-man | doesnt have the same ring to it |
| 16:35.57 | Deka | zazz |
| 16:36.47 | dick-richardson | They do a decent job with ui, but I need functionality |
| 16:36.59 | AStorm | yeah |
| 16:37.06 | lcuk | i find the apple ui fluid and nice, but could never see myself sketching and doodling with my finger |
| 16:37.06 | AStorm | even Maemo could use a bit more functionality |
| 16:37.18 | dick-richardson | yep |
| 16:37.21 | AStorm | like, gestures, so that I don't have to tap menus or buttons as often |
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| 16:38.50 | lcuk | the apple front end is just a few transitions and wipes, we could easily redesign the hildon menu to do similar (if we could get some nice fast graphics) |
| 16:39.03 | dick-richardson | we have the chip |
| 16:39.11 | lcuk | but no drivers |
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| 16:39.16 | dick-richardson | yeah :( |
| 16:39.28 | AStorm | anyway, disregarding flash and "snappiness" |
| 16:39.33 | AStorm | we could still add usability |
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| 16:42.25 | qwerty12 | A window manager that understands multiple windows and window resizing would be nice (and yes, I know KDE and ICEWM etc exist but I would like it in matchbox by default) |
| 16:42.46 | AStorm | well |
| 16:42.53 | AStorm | ion3? |
| 16:42.57 | dick-richardson | the potential is there |
| 16:42.57 | AStorm | nah, not shiny enough |
| 16:43.12 | AStorm | although it is fast and hackable too |
| 16:43.15 | RST38bis | what is the current subject, sorry? |
| 16:43.22 | AStorm | RST38bis: maemo vs usability |
| 16:43.28 | GAN800 | What the FUCK is Darius smoking. |
| 16:43.36 | RST38bis | ah |
| 16:44.03 | GAN800 | I love how he's COMPLETELY managed to destroy any useful discussion that thread might havd contained. |
| 16:44.09 | qwerty12 | GAN800, Dunno but sounds good, I'll ask him for some. |
| 16:44.17 | dick-richardson | which thread? |
| 16:44.24 | qwerty12 | maemo-developers |
| 16:44.34 | GAN800 | It's unreal |
| 16:44.41 | dick-richardson | I don't go there, not nearly smart enough |
| 16:45.16 | GAN800 | dick-richardson, developers is full of retards. |
| 16:45.28 | GAN800 | Like Darius |
| 16:46.43 | RST38bis | isn't maemo sufficiently usable though? |
| 16:46.43 | RST38bis | for tablet operation, i mean |
| 16:47.04 | GAN800 | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/37526 |
| 16:47.19 | AStorm | RST38bis: it can be more usable with little tweaking |
| 16:47.31 | AStorm | one horrible thing is matchbox handling of transients |
| 16:47.40 | AStorm | another fine addition would be "mouse" gestures |
| 16:48.21 | qwerty12 | One of my biggest annoyances with hildon desktop is the status bar icons limit. I know it can be modified but I don't know any programming languages to attempt that with (I saw the source file responible for the status bar and I was like wtf) |
| 16:48.23 | RST38bis | yep |
| 16:48.47 | AStorm | hm, status bar icons will always be limited one way or another |
| 16:48.55 | RST38bis | but on resizing etc we already have a sample of that |
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| 16:49.12 | AStorm | I'd actually love to lose the "task switcher" on the bottom left |
| 16:49.18 | AStorm | and place there some more tray |
| 16:49.37 | RST38bis | take openttd , it makes full use of multiple windowss just like desktop version |
| 16:49.38 | AStorm | or at least quick launchers |
| 16:49.54 | RST38bis | and openttd ui totally sucks |
| 16:49.55 | AStorm | well, yeah, sometimes multiple windows are handy |
| 16:50.14 | AStorm | although usually, I'd prefer what Ion3 does |
| 16:50.27 | qwerty12 | Well, for hildon-desktop/matchbox-window-manager, we can actually do something, the question is, who's putting their hands up? ;P |
| 16:50.36 | AStorm | that scratchpad and workspace splitting |
| 16:50.53 | AStorm | it's hard to implement these in matchbox |
| 16:51.18 | AStorm | while it may also be hard to make ion3 not suck in other regards ;P |
| 16:51.46 | AStorm | who needs anti-aliasing on 225dpi screen anyway? ;P |
| 16:52.13 | KotCzarny | me |
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| 16:52.19 | AStorm | what for? |
| 16:52.23 | KotCzarny | jagged lines are still noticeable |
| 16:52.31 | AStorm | blame freetype |
| 16:52.34 | qwerty12 | I'll say me because I want MOAR features |
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| 16:52.43 | AStorm | yeah, then code Xft patch |
| 16:52.44 | lopz | hola |
| 16:52.54 | AStorm | and kick tuomov in the arse with a nice new fork |
| 16:52.58 | KotCzarny | darn, my6 head hurts |
| 16:53.02 | KotCzarny | i hate heat waves |
| 16:53.12 | AStorm | KotCzarny: just don't die |
| 16:53.24 | KotCzarny | bah |
| 16:53.43 | KotCzarny | at least i got nwn working |
| 16:53.44 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 16:53.56 | KotCzarny | switching to 24bpp was a fix |
| 16:54.05 | RST38bis | darius is real cool |
| 16:54.05 | AStorm | while they're at it |
| 16:54.16 | AStorm | hildon-im could send real X events |
| 16:54.19 | KotCzarny | and i'm getting crazy 10fps with ati 7000 |
| 16:54.21 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 16:54.30 | KotCzarny | hildon is an abomination |
| 16:54.48 | qwerty12 | KotCzarny, party! |
| 16:55.06 | qwerty12 | ~lart rapidshare with their fucking cats |
| 16:55.06 | infobot | pours hot grits down the front of rapidshare with their fucking cats's pants |
| 16:56.04 | AStorm | KotCzarny: yeah, xvkb works better |
| 16:56.12 | KotCzarny | or does it? |
| 16:56.14 | AStorm | we just need a haxed variant that shows up correctly |
| 16:56.18 | KotCzarny | was it fixed? |
| 16:56.39 | KotCzarny | it's key faking method is broken |
| 16:56.59 | KotCzarny | to a point it breaks kb input state |
| 16:57.07 | KotCzarny | which is only cured with x restart |
| 16:57.13 | KotCzarny | so please, use xvkbd :) |
| 16:57.27 | AStorm | hm? |
| 16:57.30 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 16:57.45 | AStorm | xvkbd works here on my X |
| 16:57.51 | AStorm | I mean, on a stationary machine |
| 16:57.53 | KotCzarny | yes, and xkbd is another app |
| 16:58.08 | AStorm | I mean, the virtual keyboard. |
| 16:58.55 | KotCzarny | there are two apps: xkbd and xvkbd |
| 16:58.55 | KotCzarny | btw. you may want my hacked version |
| 16:58.55 | KotCzarny | with window hiding and right mouse button key |
| 16:59.12 | RST38bis | (sadistically) it is +16..+22 oC here today |
| 16:59.13 | AStorm | :> |
| 16:59.19 | AStorm | KotCzarny: hmm :-) |
| 16:59.28 | AStorm | I want hildon-im to die |
| 16:59.37 | KotCzarny | 32.3C |
| 16:59.40 | KotCzarny | in the shade |
| 16:59.43 | AStorm | maybe except the epitext |
| 16:59.44 | lcuk | im sure hildon is very happy for all the love we give him |
| 16:59.47 | AStorm | or what it's called |
| 17:00.00 | AStorm | that thing actually sometimes work |
| 17:00.30 | KotCzarny | hi lcuk |
| 17:00.40 | lcuk | morning :) |
| 17:00.49 | GAN800 | lardman, Darius has really hit it out of the ball park, hasn't he? |
| 17:00.52 | lcuk | introduces KotCzarny to coco pops |
| 17:01.00 | KotCzarny | erm.. |
| 17:01.10 | lcuk | its out of the continent |
| 17:01.15 | KotCzarny | i feel like i had been drinking heavily yesterday |
| 17:01.18 | AStorm | well, we could use a rewrite of handwrite recognition proggy |
| 17:01.24 | KotCzarny | i get hangovers without drinking |
| 17:01.25 | AStorm | I'm leaving that for my master's thesis ;P |
| 17:01.34 | lcuk | entered orbit around uranus and is now degrading peacefully |
| 17:01.37 | AStorm | so please don't steal |
| 17:01.39 | KotCzarny | and don't get hangovers with drinking |
| 17:01.51 | KotCzarny | lcuk: roasted cereal? |
| 17:02.02 | lcuk | chocolate covered goodness |
| 17:02.46 | qwerty12 | had cocopops for breakfast this morning, I ADMIT IT! |
| 17:03.08 | AStorm | chocolate covered fatness? |
| 17:03.20 | AStorm | it is the stuff used to fatten pigs |
| 17:04.09 | RST38bis | gan: the key is to avoid concentrating on his antics |
| 17:04.28 | AStorm | RST38bis: you mean, like, not reading what he writes? |
| 17:04.32 | KotCzarny | i could use some fattening |
| 17:04.47 | lcuk | mmmm bacon from chocolate fed pigs with melted chocolate goodness drizzled ontop |
| 17:04.59 | lcuk | can feel his arteries hardening at the thought |
| 17:04.59 | AStorm | lcuk: you're jewish or what? |
| 17:05.13 | GAN800 | RST38bis, the problem is, he's completely destroyed any usefulness that thread could have had. It's a rather important one, too. |
| 17:05.30 | lcuk | whats my religion (or lack thereof) got to do with my diet? |
| 17:05.47 | qwerty12 | GAN800, Tell him to fuck off and just blank him |
| 17:05.50 | KotCzarny | religions sometimes have a word on diet too |
| 17:06.11 | AStorm | ah no |
| 17:06.16 | qwerty12 | True, like I don't eat stuff from a pig |
| 17:06.19 | AStorm | bacon is not kosher |
| 17:06.20 | RST38bis | gan: darius is an adolescceent self-important clown and should be treated as such |
| 17:07.56 | RST38bis | gan: try applying to him the approach practiced russian lj |
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| 17:08.56 | RST38bis | gan: whatever "clever" thing he says. answer "where are you from, kitten? do you suck?" |
| 17:08.59 | KotCzarny | russian lj sounds like a tough place |
| 17:09.35 | qwerty12 | RST38bis, is Suka bitch in Russian? |
| 17:09.55 | KotCzarny | it's in polish too |
| 17:09.57 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:10.14 | AStorm | ;P |
| 17:10.23 | AStorm | yes, it is, maybe |
| 17:10.27 | qwerty12 | Heh, I've got Russian friend who keeps calling it me >.< :P |
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| 17:12.58 | KotCzarny | he must like you |
| 17:12.59 | KotCzarny | :P |
| 17:13.18 | qwerty12 | Nah, if anything, he's my bitch :p |
| 17:13.25 | lcuk | liqbase is known in russia :D |
| 17:13.30 | qwerty12 | (joke, he'd probably kill me if he saw that :P) |
| 17:13.33 | lcuk | i had to translate a page to find it |
| 17:13.37 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:13.44 | KotCzarny | lcuk, i guess english is enough :> |
| 17:14.01 | qwerty12 | I know 3 words of Russian, w00t |
| 17:14.12 | KotCzarny | i know more |
| 17:14.35 | qwerty12 | But you know Polish, I can't even speak my mother toungue anymore. |
| 17:14.57 | lcuk | i know how you feel qwerty, i cant speak martian any more |
| 17:15.01 | KotCzarny | in fact english is closer to russian than polish |
| 17:15.45 | qwerty12 | lcuk, I can translate a bit if you want? |
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| 17:15.59 | lcuk | its ok, google did a decent job for me |
| 17:16.04 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 17:16.07 | KOPOED | poor gprs... |
| 17:16.08 | lcuk | mmmm tea ready, back later |
| 17:16.16 | KotCzarny | yeah, google translators is quite decent |
| 17:16.23 | KotCzarny | *are |
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| 17:27.55 | cactaur | Hey, has anyone managed to get the Liferea port for OS2008 to install? |
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| 17:41.12 | KotCzarny | very bad accidents compilation: www.joemonster.org/filmy/6741/7-minut-najwiekszych-wypadkow |
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| 17:42.16 | RST38bis | if it's video i can't watch it over gprs ;] |
| 17:42.36 | KotCzarny | yes it is |
| 17:42.38 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:43.08 | KotCzarny | quit painfull :) |
| 17:45.08 | RST38bis | god, send us 3g! (and punish nokia for omitting edge from european e70) |
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| 17:58.07 | realive | hi all |
| 17:58.12 | summatusmentis | Is anyone else bothered by the fact that nokia seems to be banking on a technology(wi max) that isn't proliferating very well? |
| 17:58.30 | summatusmentis | hi realive |
| 17:58.35 | cactaur | It isn't? |
| 17:58.42 | summatusmentis | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:58.53 | cactaur | feels less guilty now. |
| 17:58.58 | KotCzarny | summa, it's being pushed by intel |
| 17:59.02 | summatusmentis | granted, I haven't been paying attention, but still |
| 17:59.06 | KotCzarny | so they feel quite safe i guess |
| 17:59.07 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:59.15 | realive | how I can disable matchbox skin? jast for maemo look like native X |
| 17:59.30 | realive | sorry for my english ;) |
| 17:59.50 | summatusmentis | intel's business is computers, generally, that's a different application than a nationwide network |
| 18:00.05 | KotCzarny | they are a big corp |
| 18:00.11 | summatusmentis | I could see business's using wimax for one access point instead of 50 |
| 18:00.26 | KotCzarny | snatching a wordlwide network standard is a nice catch |
| 18:00.41 | summatusmentis | if anything happens with it |
| 18:01.08 | realive | anybody interested to running Opera under OS2008? |
| 18:01.08 | KotCzarny | time will tell |
| 18:01.15 | KotCzarny | same could be said for 770 |
| 18:01.54 | summatusmentis | I agree, time will tell, I'm just worried they're going to start banking on wi-max, and wi-max never takes off, you know? |
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| 18:02.14 | KotCzarny | so what? i have n800 |
| 18:02.15 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:02.27 | KotCzarny | and no stocks in nokia corp |
| 18:02.27 | summatusmentis | well sure, now you do |
| 18:02.43 | summatusmentis | what if n900 has 3 SD slots, and 2GB internal? |
| 18:03.04 | KotCzarny | and a price tag of 799$ ? |
| 18:03.21 | summatusmentis | I don't know, it's all hypothetical |
| 18:03.35 | summatusmentis | wi-max just doesn't seem to be on people's minds anymore |
| 18:03.39 | Andrewfblack | Hey guys anyone ever set up php server on N810, I'm having trouble every looks like its running right but when I go to the php page it trys to download the file |
| 18:05.43 | KotCzarny | or yet |
| 18:09.48 | darkblue_B | Andrewfblack: that sounds like generic Apache conf |
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| 18:10.11 | Khertan | Hi ! |
| 18:10.36 | Khertan | What is this war on dev mailing list about a maemo council ? |
| 18:10.48 | RST38bis | summa: if wimax dies, nokia does not lose much |
| 18:11.00 | darkblue_B | maemo-gossip ? |
| 18:11.18 | RST38bis | just one product and not very original one |
| 18:11.32 | darkblue_B | maemo-oss-leadership-problematic ? |
| 18:11.43 | RST38bis | khertan: darius is a troll |
| 18:12.06 | Khertan | :) |
| 18:12.36 | Andrewfblack | using I'm using NGINX as my web server not apache |
| 18:12.52 | darkblue_B | whats NGINX ? |
| 18:12.53 | Khertan | i ask because i ven t follow this 'maemo council' story |
| 18:13.19 | Andrewfblack | I know you have to set up apache to use php but I heard nginx was set up for php already |
| 18:13.43 | RST38bis | and some of his opponents are too polite to ttell him to fuck off right away |
| 18:13.54 | darkblue_B | hmmm yes, I am looking up NGINX .. knee jerk typing |
| 18:14.17 | KotCzarny | rst: it's probably because people are not sure if he really is that stupid |
| 18:14.18 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:14.23 | Andrewfblack | nginx is a web server |
| 18:14.30 | darkblue_B | I dunno.. I just put httpd on.. I dont care for apache, but I care less for twisty compatability mazes :=/ |
| 18:14.39 | RST38bis | kot: he is. |
| 18:14.52 | KotCzarny | have you met him? |
| 18:14.53 | Khertan | so ... |
| 18:15.26 | Khertan | for me i just dev :) i let other people discuss about political :) |
| 18:15.28 | RST38bis | kot: thus, the usual "where are you from? do you suck?" routine should be applied |
| 18:15.55 | KotCzarny | rst, you are welcome to be a bouncer then :) |
| 18:16.28 | Khertan | i ve just uploaded a new mCalendar release |
| 18:16.44 | Khertan | it fix reccurent event sync problem |
| 18:16.53 | Khertan | 0.2.0 |
| 18:17.00 | KotCzarny | 'fixes' |
| 18:17.01 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:17.28 | RST38bis | kot: i do not have a habit to meet morons for confirmation |
| 18:17.30 | Khertan | fixes reccurents events sync problemS |
| 18:17.34 | Khertan | :) |
| 18:17.39 | Khertan | there was many ;) |
| 18:17.45 | KotCzarny | 'were' |
| 18:17.45 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:18.13 | RST38bis | recurrent |
| 18:18.36 | Khertan | oups ... i should go back to school |
| 18:18.38 | Khertan | :) |
| 18:18.41 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:19.02 | KotCzarny | learned english all by himself |
| 18:19.27 | Khertan | it s well know that french speak a poor english |
| 18:19.41 | KotCzarny | 'known' |
| 18:19.54 | RST38bis | wait until you meet a chinese... |
| 18:19.57 | KotCzarny | i hate all this multiple languages confusion |
| 18:20.03 | Khertan | kot > i ll do that too :) |
| 18:20.15 | darkblue_B | I think they say, english speakers speak poor french! |
| 18:20.19 | KotCzarny | and people insisting on translating software to obscure languages |
| 18:20.50 | Khertan | yeah i think everyone should speak french :) |
| 18:20.55 | darkblue_B | multiple languages are hard.. however, we need them and also, want them |
| 18:20.58 | darkblue_B | I thnk |
| 18:21.11 | RST38bis | also feels more comfortable with english uis |
| 18:21.13 | darkblue_B | I did some internationalization.. Japanese |
| 18:21.31 | Khertan | hum ... having only one couldn t be a bad thing too |
| 18:21.40 | darkblue_B | the days of thinking that eveyone would change to english are over I think |
| 18:21.54 | KotCzarny | at least you wouldn't have to watch at obscure guis when going overseas |
| 18:22.00 | darkblue_B | Spanish, Mandarin and Hindi, at least |
| 18:22.04 | KotCzarny | and wondering how to order a cup of coffee |
| 18:22.05 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:22.06 | RST38bis | nobody is changing to english |
| 18:22.15 | Khertan | i think too , and this is normal, it s the more used |
| 18:22.36 | RST38bis | having help in native language is fine |
| 18:22.38 | darkblue_B | 15 years ago people seriously wpoke of the international law/science/business/academic language being english |
| 18:22.39 | KotCzarny | problem is that english has many variations too |
| 18:22.48 | KotCzarny | rst: help, yes, but not ui |
| 18:23.23 | RST38bis | but why translate frigging menus? |
| 18:23.24 | RST38bis | dark: and it is. |
| 18:23.42 | darkblue_B | RST38bis: help implies that the OS and GUI APIs support the character sets |
| 18:23.58 | darkblue_B | .. and perhaps sorting, and puncutation, and such |
| 18:24.03 | darkblue_B | there is quickly a lot to it |
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| 18:24.18 | RST38bis | dark: they all support unicode now |
| 18:24.19 | darkblue_B | I am a user of Unicode.. I like Unicode |
| 18:24.27 | KotCzarny | i like unicode |
| 18:24.35 | RST38bis | this is all fine |
| 18:24.37 | Khertan | someone here use mCalendar ? |
| 18:24.42 | darkblue_B | yes.. I am old enough to remeber well before Unicode |
| 18:24.45 | KotCzarny | better than multiple charsets mess |
| 18:24.59 | RST38bis | but, again, why translate all the menus, buttons, etc? |
| 18:25.02 | KotCzarny | and multiple platforms mess |
| 18:25.05 | darkblue_B | I dont think people expected UTF-8 to be dominant |
| 18:25.24 | Navi | Khertan, was a deb released? |
| 18:25.32 | RST38bis | khertan: sorry but i really keep mine in my head... |
| 18:25.34 | Navi | I didn't see anything when I saw it on the garage |
| 18:25.47 | Khertan | ? |
| 18:26.00 | Khertan | yes there is a deb release :) |
| 18:26.06 | Navi | Where? |
| 18:26.07 | RST38bis | dark: i did, dunno about people |
| 18:26.17 | Khertan | in the extras-devel repository |
| 18:26.21 | Navi | oh |
| 18:26.38 | Navi | It has a garage page and no info on it |
| 18:26.40 | Navi | no deb either |
| 18:26.50 | RST38bis | it is compatible with ascii hence is its dominance. |
| 18:27.21 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:27.28 | Khertan | navi> garage page have a link to the web page |
| 18:27.31 | KotCzarny | not a bad uptime for a wrt54g without ups |
| 18:27.31 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:27.45 | Navi | Khertan, :P |
| 18:27.50 | RST38bis | heh |
| 18:27.52 | KotCzarny | could be 2 months more if i didn't pull the wrong cable |
| 18:28.04 | Navi | Khertan, http://mcalendar.garage.maemo.org/ needs to redirect |
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| 18:28.43 | Khertan | navi> i m tired to upload to all diferent web site |
| 18:28.46 | RST38bis | flooding and evacuations in iowa, power failure in dc... |
| 18:28.54 | Khertan | it should but i don t know how to upload page to garage |
| 18:29.07 | Navi | :/ |
| 18:29.25 | RST38bis | kot: your router wouldn't survive it in dc =) |
| 18:29.39 | darkblue_B | I have an associate in Iowa right now.. right where the flooding is |
| 18:29.41 | darkblue_B | its bad |
| 18:29.44 | Khertan | it haven't yet a page in download section of maemo as it s still an alpha release |
| 18:29.49 | KotCzarny | dc? |
| 18:29.55 | KotCzarny | well |
| 18:30.15 | darkblue_B | be backl later |
| 18:30.19 | KotCzarny | they say manhattan will go down sometime in the future |
| 18:30.20 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:30.22 | Navi | Full screen button doesn't full screen it yet? |
| 18:31.01 | Navi | Khertan, anyways, it doesn't scale very well when you bring up the keyboard |
| 18:31.33 | Khertan | no not yet |
| 18:31.37 | Navi | Khertan, does syncing work? |
| 18:32.16 | RST38bis | kot: only after kim jong il nukes tokyo making e ery otaku's dream come true! |
| 18:32.19 | Navi | Ah, just tried it. Captcha Required error |
| 18:32.24 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:32.32 | Khertan | the bottom vbox containing button do autosize |
| 18:32.41 | Khertan | and yes not a great idea |
| 18:32.48 | Khertan | yes |
| 18:33.04 | Khertan | ah captcha error ? |
| 18:33.08 | Navi | Yes |
| 18:33.19 | Khertan | it s a google protection |
| 18:33.29 | Khertan | do u have set the prefs ? |
| 18:33.35 | cactaur | Anyone know how to install with a .install file? |
| 18:33.46 | Navi | open it with the app manager, I think |
| 18:33.47 | KotCzarny | well |
| 18:33.51 | KotCzarny | you click on it |
| 18:33.52 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:34.06 | cactaur | I opened the Nibbles .install file. And all I got were about seven lines of text. |
| 18:34.14 | Navi | Khertan, do you have a bug tracker and revision repo for this? |
| 18:34.32 | Khertan | yes |
| 18:34.38 | Khertan | on khertan.net |
| 18:34.54 | Khertan | you ll be the first to try the new bugtracker |
| 18:35.02 | Navi | woo |
| 18:36.15 | Khertan | what is your first impression about mcalendar in a few word ? |
| 18:36.32 | Khertan | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.22 | Navi | You sure you want to hear it? You might not like it |
| 18:38.03 | Khertan | yes i can always fix things :) |
| 18:38.22 | Navi | Too simple and more like a to-do than a Calendar |
| 18:38.51 | Khertan | i think you doesn't like it because there is no view like ical :) |
| 18:39.15 | Navi | I've never used iCal |
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| 18:40.04 | Navi | Just saw the screenshot |
| 18:40.09 | Navi | Yeah, that's exactly why. |
| 18:40.10 | Khertan | too simple < this what i want ... but a bit too much :) |
| 18:40.31 | Khertan | https://www.google.com/accounts/DisplayUnlockCaptcha |
| 18:40.37 | Khertan | for captcha |
| 18:40.51 | Navi | When I look at a calendar, I want to be able to quickly see if I have a time slot available |
| 18:41.10 | darkblue_B | so.. I have a 2nd N800 coming over today.. after I flash the OS2008 on it... how could I duplicate my setup on the second unit? |
| 18:42.34 | Navi | Khertan, also, the calendar shows start time but lacks an end time |
| 18:42.39 | Khertan | hum ... something indicating if there is free time should be a great idea |
| 18:42.55 | Khertan | there is an end in the day view |
| 18:43.06 | darkblue_B | there is a backup restore utility.. any experience with it? |
| 18:43.45 | Khertan | i think that seeing end is not usefull when your are looking event for week or month |
| 18:43.55 | Khertan | but maybe i'm wrong |
| 18:44.03 | Navi | It's very useful day-by-day though |
| 18:44.05 | oilinki | I would love to have an calendar which can do sync with google calendar in easy way |
| 18:44.33 | Khertan | anyway the next release will make this customable |
| 18:44.44 | Navi | Khertan, scheduling conflicts are a nightmare. You want to be sure that the time blocks don't overlap before you agree to an event |
| 18:44.48 | Navi | and before you enter it in |
| 18:45.23 | Khertan | oilinki > it s the purpose of mCalendar |
| 18:45.45 | Khertan | navi > why so heavy button ? to be use without stylus |
| 18:45.58 | Navi | What? |
| 18:46.08 | oilinki | Khertan: therefore I hope you'll keep on making it better. I did not try it yet, but based of the feedback on the channel. |
| 18:46.40 | Navi | oilinki, this is one man's opinion. |
| 18:46.41 | oilinki | do you know if there will be an calendar application on the next os version? |
| 18:47.10 | Khertan | navi > sorry i don t understand what u said about scheduling conflict |
| 18:47.28 | Navi | Khertan, I was just stating why ending times are important. |
| 18:47.41 | Khertan | ah ok |
| 18:47.48 | Khertan | i understand |
| 18:48.27 | Khertan | maybe something warning user that there is already an event when you validate a new one in the same date |
| 18:48.35 | Navi | nah |
| 18:49.02 | Navi | If you're already entering it in, then it's just been a hassle |
| 18:49.18 | Khertan | ? |
| 18:49.51 | Khertan | you r right |
| 18:50.22 | Khertan | a view with free time should be better |
| 18:50.27 | Navi | Oh, the password box needs set_visibility(gtk.FALSE) |
| 18:50.33 | Navi | That would be nice, actually |
| 18:50.53 | Khertan | :) |
| 18:52.10 | Navi | Not because I care about my password being hidden, but it's still a security problem |
| 18:54.03 | Navi | Khertan, the email/password thing still comes up with the catchpa error box even if it's actually because of the wrong username/password |
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| 18:56.21 | Navi | man :\ |
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| 18:57.50 | khertan | Re |
| 18:57.52 | Navi | Woo |
| 18:58.10 | khertan | you are saying that you get captcha error still after validating it on google ? |
| 18:58.25 | Navi | No |
| 18:58.34 | khertan | so i ven't understood :) |
| 18:58.40 | Navi | I'm saying if I have the wrong username/password, I'll get the captcha error |
| 18:59.12 | khertan | hum ... no ... |
| 18:59.30 | khertan | if you set a wrong password gdata answer wrong password |
| 18:59.49 | khertan | but if u use a locked login. Google verify captcha before |
| 18:59.58 | khertan | and connection error is captcha error :) |
| 19:00.01 | Navi | hmm |
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| 19:00.15 | khertan | the error message is the one given by google |
| 19:00.32 | Navi | Oh, I get this error when syncin |
| 19:00.46 | Navi | coercing to Unicode: need string or buffer, NoneType found |
| 19:00.52 | khertan | ? |
| 19:00.56 | khertan | outch ! |
| 19:01.00 | khertan | never get this one |
| 19:01.27 | khertan | can u can sync again but with launching mcalendar from xterm ? |
| 19:01.38 | Navi | I already did |
| 19:01.54 | khertan | what say the stdout ? |
| 19:03.44 | Navi | Well |
| 19:04.43 | Navi | Now I'm getting a 404 error |
| 19:04.53 | Navi | at least, it looks that way |
| 19:05.27 | khertan | ok ... |
| 19:05.36 | khertan | is it a reccurent event ? |
| 19:05.41 | Navi | No |
| 19:05.54 | Navi | I just deleted an event that's on both calendars and resync'd |
| 19:06.42 | Navi | let me pastebin |
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| 19:07.47 | khertan | do you have deleted it both on mcalendar and google ? |
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| 19:07.57 | Navi | no |
| 19:08.02 | Navi | I just deleted it locally |
| 19:10.00 | Navi | Oh, but it was deleted on GCal when I synced |
| 19:10.06 | khertan | hum ... do u have more than one calendar ? |
| 19:10.09 | Navi | nope |
| 19:10.23 | Navi | http://pastebin.ca/1048008 |
| 19:11.53 | Navi | khertan, you should use the thicker scroll bars |
| 19:12.39 | Navi | khertan, even though that error came up, it sync'd the calendars |
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| 19:27.05 | khertan | sorry ... |
| 19:27.13 | khertan | my wife called me |
| 19:27.50 | khertan | Navi: if u know how to use thicker scroll bars in python ... i looking for it |
| 19:28.15 | khertan | raahhhh !!! stupid livebox! and stupid orange dns ! |
| 19:28.29 | KotCzarny | then use opendns |
| 19:28.58 | khertan | yes ... but the new firmware switch all dns request to their own dns |
| 19:29.15 | KotCzarny | heh.. |
| 19:29.46 | KotCzarny | is that in the contract? |
| 19:30.01 | khertan | no |
| 19:30.09 | khertan | 64 bytes from 216.239.59.104: icmp_seq=124 ttl=239 time=467.2 ms |
| 19:30.43 | KotCzarny | 64 bytes from 216.239.59.104: icmp_seq=3 ttl=238 time=100 ms |
| 19:30.46 | unixSnob | Any way to get ls colors to work? "man ls" fails, and I don't see a man page for it on the web either. Is ls part of busybox? |
| 19:32.20 | khertan | Cannot access the calendar you requested ... hum ... strange |
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| 19:35.34 | unixSnob | okay, I see that 'ls' is part of busybox, and the busybox man page claims --color=auto is supported, but os2008 doesn't take it |
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| 19:41.51 | AStorm | unixSnob: OS2008 uses old busybox |
| 19:41.57 | AStorm | with disabled advanced options |
| 19:42.02 | KotCzarny | old and crippled |
| 19:43.01 | flo_lap | i all |
| 19:43.27 | lcuk | yes florian, you are all |
| 19:44.39 | lcuk | KotCzarny, you mentioned earlier it was like you were drunk yesterday |
| 19:44.44 | lcuk | (i think) |
| 19:44.48 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:44.56 | KotCzarny | yeah, headache |
| 19:44.59 | KotCzarny | heat induced |
| 19:45.11 | AStorm | flo_lap: it's spelled "eye ball" |
| 19:45.16 | lcuk | booo, well ive managed to add a whole new module and not really know whats in it |
| 19:45.55 | AStorm | lcuk: rootkit included? ;P |
| 19:46.21 | flo_lap | :) |
| 19:46.52 | lcuk | it would be a very bleary rootkit if so, no i think i was playing with multi touch |
| 19:47.12 | AStorm | lcuk: hmm, n8x0 supports multitouch after all? I didn't think so. |
| 19:47.31 | lcuk | simulated pinch type motion, not full chording |
| 19:47.35 | AStorm | ahh |
| 19:47.38 | AStorm | fake |
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| 19:47.55 | AStorm | just get us generic gesture support |
| 19:48.33 | lcuk | what good would generic support do in applications where mouse input has already been used to create objects and modify data? |
| 19:48.46 | AStorm | launching key shortcuts |
| 19:48.49 | KotCzarny | astorm: fake multitouch is as good as real one |
| 19:48.56 | lcuk | do you waste responsiveness and real time interaction because you are waiting to see if the user did a squiggle? |
| 19:48.56 | AStorm | KotCzarny: close, but no cookie |
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| 19:49.04 | AStorm | lcuk: naaah |
| 19:49.13 | AStorm | need e.g. tripletap to engage |
| 19:49.42 | WorkingOnWise | is there any way, including physical replacement, to improve the quality of the n800 cam? |
| 19:49.47 | lcuk | therefore, generic gesturing should be restricted to specific places and those specific places know what to do with it, hence "generic" gestures arent practical.. ;) |
| 19:49.49 | AStorm | WorkingOnWise: nope |
| 19:49.55 | AStorm | you'd have to replace the chip too |
| 19:50.03 | WorkingOnWise | ack! |
| 19:50.20 | WorkingOnWise | the chip isnt part of the cam unit? the ccd? |
| 19:50.22 | lcuk | WorkingOnWise, tether a mobile phone cam and use that instead |
| 19:50.23 | AStorm | lcuk: e.g. maemo-browser next, previous, open bookmarks (fullscreen) |
| 19:50.30 | AStorm | stop |
| 19:50.33 | AStorm | and such like |
| 19:50.34 | lcuk | then put the code into maemo-browser |
| 19:50.48 | AStorm | and then double it in maemopad |
| 19:50.52 | lcuk | dont rock the boat by making something generic thats not required |
| 19:50.58 | AStorm | and also add to fbreader |
| 19:51.01 | AStorm | and others |
| 19:51.02 | lcuk | sure: write a library |
| 19:51.10 | AStorm | yes |
| 19:51.15 | AStorm | and port *all* apps to it |
| 19:51.22 | AStorm | I'd like it on my desktop to |
| 19:51.23 | AStorm | *too |
| 19:51.44 | WorkingOnWise | well now that flashcam works and I can use the cam in the browser, I will see about a new cam for it....maybe hack in a really small usb cam somehow... |
| 19:51.50 | lcuk | already available for desktops (at least in windows) |
| 19:51.58 | AStorm | lcuk: generic? |
| 19:52.02 | AStorm | then I want it for Linux too |
| 19:52.36 | KotCzarny | yes, it works on pc too |
| 19:52.37 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 19:52.59 | AStorm | gimme |
| 19:53.02 | AStorm | links appreciated |
| 19:53.07 | KotCzarny | ask lcuk |
| 19:53.09 | lcuk | its ancient |
| 19:53.09 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:53.16 | AStorm | lcuk: ancient doesn't bother me |
| 19:53.20 | AStorm | I can refresh it |
| 19:53.23 | AStorm | if it's good enough |
| 19:53.41 | lcuk | the one i used was called strokeit |
| 19:53.43 | lcuk | ummm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouse_gesture |
| 19:53.51 | lcuk | list of apps for various oses |
| 19:54.00 | WorkingOnWise | stroket rocks! |
| 19:54.02 | AStorm | maemo port anyone? ;P |
| 19:55.02 | WorkingOnWise | I used strokeit as my HWRapp on 4 older windows based tablets I had. worked better that the palms HWR because I could write anywher on the screen I wanted |
| 19:55.20 | lcuk | wants computer to recognise international "no way you stupid hunk of silicon lost my work" gesture ( .|.. ) |
| 19:55.39 | AStorm | lcuk: I'd tie it to "restore backup" function |
| 19:55.40 | AStorm | ;P |
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| 19:55.45 | KotCzarny | lcuk: just catch the 'angry taps' |
| 19:55.50 | WorkingOnWise | lol...strokeit would let you make a gesture for that if u really needed one! |
| 19:55.51 | AStorm | no |
| 19:55.55 | AStorm | a punch on the screen |
| 19:56.00 | WorkingOnWise | lol |
| 19:56.25 | AStorm | would be better with a gravimetric sensor |
| 19:56.30 | lcuk | Mouse.Pressure == "OMG Mike Tyson, you can have my lunch" |
| 19:56.31 | AStorm | a slight headslap ;) |
| 19:58.35 | WorkingOnWise | looks like development on it stopped in 2005. Maybe theyd turl it into a GPL license.... |
| 19:58.44 | WorkingOnWise | or turn |
| 19:58.50 | AStorm | wayV? |
| 19:58.57 | WorkingOnWise | strokeit |
| 20:00.11 | AStorm | well, all the projects are old |
| 20:00.12 | WorkingOnWise | hands down the best pen enabled app I have ever used. It wasnt ever ment to be HWR, but it worked better as a HWR app that anything M$, CIC, PenDragon or Palm ever came up with. |
| 20:00.16 | AStorm | and I'm bad at X11 |
| 20:00.53 | Navi | khertan, hildon.hildon_helper_set_thumb_scrollbar() doesn't work? |
| 20:00.55 | lcuk | has an enormous sample of his handwriting now and requires just a port of the recognition/island code from vb to make use of it |
| 20:01.04 | WorkingOnWise | right now, I'm using the Garnet VM for HWR on my N800 |
| 20:01.13 | AStorm | lcuk: no can do |
| 20:01.20 | WorkingOnWise | port from VB? |
| 20:01.23 | WorkingOnWise | ouch |
| 20:01.26 | AStorm | I'll be writing handwriting recognition system soon enough |
| 20:01.45 | AStorm | but unless you provide me with a description of the format, you won't get it ;P |
| 20:02.08 | lcuk | WorkingOnWise :) people are starting to see what i can do in a resource confined nokia device... similar situation in vb. its not the tools its how you use them :) |
| 20:02.18 | WorkingOnWise | AStorm: you should take a good look at strokeit. I'll see if I can get the cource from them. Its written in c++ |
| 20:02.27 | AStorm | no, I don't need to |
| 20:02.35 | AStorm | I've looked at it a few times already. |
| 20:02.44 | WorkingOnWise | oh, ok then... |
| 20:02.48 | AStorm | Just need to catch up on X event generation. |
| 20:02.55 | AStorm | and add better AI ;P |
| 20:03.32 | WorkingOnWise | strokit was great, even on win2000 on a P233 with 128MB |
| 20:03.36 | WorkingOnWise | of ram. |
| 20:03.41 | AStorm | it's bad |
| 20:03.49 | AStorm | it mistakes similar letters ;P |
| 20:04.07 | WorkingOnWise | whats bad? strokeit? |
| 20:04.14 | AStorm | yes, strokeit |
| 20:04.20 | AStorm | needs *a lot* of training |
| 20:04.33 | lcuk | strokeit worked well for gestures. it was a bit poor at full hwr though |
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| 20:04.48 | lcuk | afterall, it was written for gestures.. |
| 20:04.49 | AStorm | exactly |
| 20:04.58 | AStorm | I want hwr |
| 20:04.58 | Navi | cellwriter is better for hwr |
| 20:05.15 | Navi | though, it uses those cells |
| 20:05.16 | WorkingOnWise | yeah, but the training can be done once, and all the trained gastures become portable. I trained 2 times, copied to 4 machines over 7 years, and untold reinstalls |
| 20:05.39 | WorkingOnWise | ackkk...cellwriter..ack |
| 20:05.49 | Navi | urfase |
| 20:05.56 | WorkingOnWise | anything that locks me to cells...ack...ack |
| 20:06.16 | AStorm | I'll try vector+bitmap based fuzzy recognition plus some KNN |
| 20:06.19 | lcuk | ahem...working, unless you know something the rest of us dont, arent you made from cells? |
| 20:06.21 | AStorm | should work well enough |
| 20:06.27 | Navi | lcuk, hah |
| 20:06.29 | WorkingOnWise | lol |
| 20:06.42 | lcuk | why bitmap? |
| 20:06.57 | AStorm | lcuk: because sometimes vector recognition is not good enough |
| 20:07.00 | WorkingOnWise | cells as in little boxes that if i write outside of the hwr engine sputters out |
| 20:07.02 | lcuk | leave that to the ocr gods? |
| 20:07.10 | AStorm | no no |
| 20:07.15 | lcuk | if you have the vectors then there is nothing better |
| 20:07.21 | AStorm | it's meant to supplement vectors |
| 20:07.34 | AStorm | in case a vector matches good but not enough |
| 20:07.51 | AStorm | I'll run knn on bitmaps in that case |
| 20:07.56 | AStorm | on plausible bitmaps |
| 20:08.12 | AStorm | hopefully it will be fast enough |
| 20:08.52 | KotCzarny | google ocr |
| 20:08.53 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:08.58 | AStorm | KotCzarny: so? |
| 20:09.08 | AStorm | handwriting ocr needs more AI |
| 20:09.12 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 20:09.13 | AStorm | thus KNN |
| 20:09.30 | KotCzarny | dictionary supplements ocr |
| 20:09.35 | KotCzarny | be it vector or bitmap |
| 20:09.45 | AStorm | *maybe* I'll try neural, though it probably won't be efficient enough |
| 20:10.01 | AStorm | KotCzarny: definitely |
| 20:10.21 | AStorm | but dictionary should be second to detection |
| 20:10.39 | AStorm | not the other way around, or we'll get Newton again ;P |
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| 20:10.41 | WorkingOnWise | forgive this uber-n00bish quesion, but why can so many other platforms (win, wince, palm, psion) on such a wide range of hardware, for so many years, get a workable, and sometimes a great, HWR system up, but *nix has been floundering and struggling with it for at least 7 years that I know of? |
| 20:10.58 | AStorm | s/workable/okayish/ |
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| 20:11.07 | AStorm | WorkingOnWise: because no one paid us to do one |
| 20:11.54 | lcuk | because its a piece of software thats difficult in programming terms to get "user ready" and noone has been willing to do this for free yet. there are many attempts which work for specific cercumstances, but the only people willing to develop for it fully are on somebodies payroll |
| 20:11.57 | KotCzarny | and no one had touchscreen on his/her pc |
| 20:12.14 | AStorm | yeah, no touchscreens |
| 20:12.20 | AStorm | that's the major problem |
| 20:12.24 | AStorm | but I have a few |
| 20:12.39 | AStorm | and I could get a grant to do that, so... |
| 20:12.42 | AStorm | I'll do it |
| 20:13.04 | WorkingOnWise | you can get a grant to write an HWR system? |
| 20:13.14 | AStorm | WorkingOnWise: research work |
| 20:13.20 | WorkingOnWise | nice. |
| 20:13.29 | WorkingOnWise | love that word! |
| 20:13.38 | lcuk | research work does not normally end up with a user application |
| 20:13.42 | AStorm | lately nobody wants to do any AI here, which is bad |
| 20:13.45 | KotCzarny | sometimes it does |
| 20:13.49 | AStorm | lcuk: usually, but I'm going to use it myself |
| 20:13.52 | AStorm | so it will |
| 20:13.55 | WorkingOnWise | makes everything fundable! |
| 20:14.02 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 20:14.05 | KotCzarny | thunderstorm |
| 20:14.21 | lcuk | what KotCzarny, you say AStorm is coming? |
| 20:14.21 | AStorm | KotCzarny: now, that's symbolic... AstralStorm, not thunderstorm |
| 20:14.23 | AStorm | ;P |
| 20:14.27 | WorkingOnWise | its great when grant projects make it into the wild, IMHO |
| 20:14.37 | WorkingOnWise | lol |
| 20:14.55 | WorkingOnWise | bad lcuk....but funny :) |
| 20:15.09 | KotCzarny | i wonder if it b0rks my comps |
| 20:15.14 | AStorm | ok, so I'll better contact our team which is mostly disbanded now |
| 20:15.15 | lcuk | WorkingOnWise, yes, i remember when the great influenza outbreak of 1983 escaped from the lab. how we laughed :| |
| 20:15.30 | AStorm | people have been hired by "evil corporations" |
| 20:15.54 | lcuk | i would actually like to work at microsoft research :) |
| 20:16.02 | AStorm | well, not M$ |
| 20:16.15 | AStorm | but yeah, M$ research is the only fun branch of that corp |
| 20:16.25 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, prepare for massive booing |
| 20:16.27 | lcuk | why not, they have a lot of mojo at the moment, photosynth and the table thing :) |
| 20:16.41 | AStorm | surface ftw |
| 20:16.41 | KotCzarny | it's not theirs |
| 20:16.46 | AStorm | it is theirs |
| 20:16.51 | KotCzarny | they usually acquire tech |
| 20:16.54 | AStorm | no |
| 20:16.54 | KotCzarny | and ideas |
| 20:16.58 | AStorm | not really |
| 20:17.04 | AStorm | at least, not M$ Research |
| 20:17.14 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 20:17.14 | lcuk | thats the same with every company - google have "aquired" the minds of people who have good ideas |
| 20:17.27 | AStorm | yeah, that's "research" for you ;P |
| 20:17.45 | KotCzarny | but m$ tends to slap 'new' and 'original' badges |
| 20:17.48 | lcuk | Valve "aquired" the portal technology |
| 20:17.56 | KotCzarny | and pretend they discovered wheel again |
| 20:18.04 | KotCzarny | kurde |
| 20:18.11 | AStorm | well, surface is nice, but it's a sci-fi movie ripoff |
| 20:18.21 | lcuk | name one thing that isnt? |
| 20:18.41 | AStorm | laptops |
| 20:18.44 | KotCzarny | do i say valve is ok? |
| 20:18.52 | KotCzarny | or other companies that do it? |
| 20:18.58 | AStorm | nope |
| 20:19.01 | AStorm | i nie klnij ;P |
| 20:19.11 | KotCzarny | nie klne, to lajtowo bylo ;P |
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| 20:19.24 | KotCzarny | something got hit in my area |
| 20:19.31 | AStorm | whee |
| 20:19.32 | qwerty12_N800 | painful |
| 20:19.38 | AStorm | hope something expensive |
| 20:19.42 | Dekaritae | http://www.internettablettalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/hildon_desktop_scaled_karoliina_416.jpg |
| 20:19.44 | KotCzarny | luckily nothing burned in my pcs |
| 20:19.45 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:19.49 | Dekaritae | How can I get that menu, with small icons? |
| 20:19.58 | AStorm | I could also try working at a new WM |
| 20:20.05 | AStorm | Ion3 done right, w/o crazy |
| 20:20.17 | qwerty12_N800 | Dekaritae, flash back to os2007 |
| 20:20.21 | AStorm | but, as I said, I currently suck at X11 |
| 20:20.23 | Dekaritae | Aww |
| 20:20.48 | AStorm | need more X11 docs |
| 20:20.54 | AStorm | esp. on how to write a window manager ;P |
| 20:21.00 | AStorm | how to synthesize events |
| 20:21.05 | AStorm | grab mouse etc. |
| 20:21.09 | qwerty12_N800 | wellm |
| 20:21.09 | AStorm | any good books? |
| 20:21.09 | lcuk | Dekaritae, thats running on a full laptop isnt it - ie higher resolution anyway? |
| 20:21.29 | Dekaritae | Yes |
| 20:21.29 | Dekaritae | http://www.internettablettalk.com/2007/02/09/beyond-800x480/ |
| 20:21.42 | WorkingOnWise | AStorm: have you seen this? www.inf.ufsc.br/~deters/xgestures |
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| 20:21.51 | AStorm | this one, yes |
| 20:21.57 | AStorm | but it's mostly dumb |
| 20:22.19 | KotCzarny | astorm: find the app that does similiar things as yours and rip the code |
| 20:22.20 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:22.26 | lcuk | it might be dumb, but wont that have the interaction with x that you could use to plug your skynet into? |
| 20:22.45 | AStorm | KotCzarny: like, PyWM? it's, hmm, so-so |
| 20:23.00 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:23.04 | AStorm | lcuk: skynet? now, that's lol |
| 20:23.09 | AStorm | but then, it doesn't |
| 20:23.14 | AStorm | it is vector-only |
| 20:23.24 | AStorm | although, I can learn some X11 from it |
| 20:23.37 | AStorm | we need some object X11 wrappers |
| 20:23.52 | lcuk | you sure, you want more AI and recognition. you know it will spread around the world waiting for someone to scribe "john connor" into it |
| 20:24.03 | AStorm | lol |
| 20:24.13 | AStorm | no, it's not thinking |
| 20:24.21 | AStorm | it's only recognizing |
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| 20:24.38 | lcuk | you say that now |
| 20:25.02 | AStorm | no, I'm not *that* good... unless I think up some breakthrough |
| 20:25.03 | lcuk | your mechanical handwriting turk willbe the eyes |
| 20:25.10 | AStorm | nope |
| 20:27.30 | AStorm | ok, so any nice book about low-level X11? |
| 20:27.53 | AStorm | alternatively, some nice OO wrapper, C++ or Python preferred |
| 20:29.05 | AStorm | Do I hear crickets? |
| 20:29.35 | lcuk | actually gets the impression AStorm's x11 driver will end up looking like a wallace and gromit machine :P |
| 20:29.44 | AStorm | hm? |
| 20:29.55 | lcuk | if you started now at least |
| 20:30.01 | AStorm | :> |
| 20:30.02 | qwerty12_N800 | yum, wensleydale |
| 20:30.02 | AStorm | I am |
| 20:30.34 | AStorm | not x11 *driver* |
| 20:30.37 | AStorm | Window Manager |
| 20:30.45 | AStorm | that's different category |
| 20:30.57 | lcuk | a whole window manager just to inject a few events? |
| 20:31.16 | AStorm | no |
| 20:31.29 | AStorm | the WM is a kind of a dream |
| 20:31.38 | lcuk | :) as it is for a lot of us |
| 20:31.58 | darkblue_B | some people seem to be using python to maake apps.. what level do you want to work on? |
| 20:32.19 | darkblue_B | AStorm: did you say that you want to make your own hardware? |
| 20:32.34 | AStorm | darkblue_B: no |
| 20:34.52 | darkblue_B | how who hears crickets! |
| 20:35.04 | darkblue_B | anyway.. I am on Day 4 with my N800 |
| 20:35.27 | darkblue_B | I am a coder.. I do GUIs .. I donth think I am going to take the plungs ane make custom apps for Maemo |
| 20:35.43 | darkblue_B | but I do like it.. and I want to test some of my generic things and make sure they run |
| 20:35.48 | darkblue_B | python.. and web based |
| 20:36.31 | darkblue_B | I notice that the media player.. used a reasonable amount of Python and the Enlightenment Foundation Classes and got something interesting |
| 20:36.49 | darkblue_B | Flash runs of course.. you can do quite a bit in Flash.. but its just not my background |
| 20:37.04 | darkblue_B | I like Flash, too.. I like Adobe products |
| 20:37.15 | darkblue_B | I just havent bult things that way. |
| 20:38.17 | darkblue_B | My associate is coming over just now.. and we are going to flash his N800 with the current OS2008.. and I'll have ahand at using the backup/restore to copy what I've built so dfar onto his (identical) machine |
| 20:39.09 | darkblue_B | I cant imagine that going down to a low-level X11 is the rightapproach to take except for some very specialized needs |
| 20:39.25 | darkblue_B | the thing is a little slow.. but for what you get.. I dont care |
| 20:39.38 | darkblue_B | very impressive in general.. I like it |
| 20:40.49 | AStorm | darkblue_B: it is, X11 WM parts |
| 20:41.03 | AStorm | I'll use Pango for text rendering |
| 20:41.10 | AStorm | maybe Cairo for image display |
| 20:42.17 | AStorm | so, the WM will use GTK |
| 20:42.34 | AStorm | (at least Pango parts of it) |
| 20:42.56 | AStorm | the real gem will be in programability |
| 20:43.03 | AStorm | and good APIs |
| 20:43.39 | AStorm | as I said, I want to outdo XMonad in that respect |
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| 20:59.12 | darkblue_B | ok hi... |
| 20:59.20 | darkblue_B | I am tryng to flash another N800 |
| 20:59.36 | darkblue_B | I just started the flash utility.. on the same box that I used successfully previously |
| 20:59.50 | darkblue_B | started the N800 with the home button down |
| 21:00.19 | darkblue_B | but... the flash utility on Ubuntu is saying..Error claiming USB Interface: Operatin not permitted |
| 21:00.30 | darkblue_B | ?? |
| 21:00.37 | qwerty12_N800 | sudo |
| 21:00.39 | darkblue_B | tried twice .. no luck yet |
| 21:00.42 | darkblue_B | ah so |
| 21:00.49 | darkblue_B | thx so much qwerty12_N800 |
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| 21:03.05 | darkblue_B | ok.. getting further... |
| 21:03.23 | darkblue_B | it rebooted but it doesnt look like the new system to me |
| 21:03.37 | darkblue_B | nope )S2007 |
| 21:03.40 | darkblue_B | OS |
| 21:06.31 | darkblue_B | hmmm |
| 21:06.34 | darkblue_B | problem |
| 21:07.05 | darkblue_B | started the flasher.. withthe device plugged in, rebooted w/ home key.. USB mode comes up , the flasher sees it.. |
| 21:07.28 | darkblue_B | Flasher says 100% downloaded.. BUT then |
| 21:07.44 | darkblue_B | Finishing Flashing.. Sending request 0x52 failed! |
| 21:07.57 | darkblue_B | Unable to get error strings: Connection Timed out |
| 21:08.19 | darkblue_B | green line is stopped ... near the beginning |
| 21:08.24 | darkblue_B | :-/ |
| 21:08.26 | darkblue_B | ??? |
| 21:12.23 | darkblue_B | I just tried a second N800.... same result .... |
| 21:12.40 | Toba | it's not bricked is it? |
| 21:13.10 | Toba | I've spent a few hours at least installing software and configuring it.. is there a way to update without just flashing over the entire thing? |
| 21:14.00 | darkblue_B | no.. it just boots after the failures... they both do |
| 21:15.41 | darkblue_B | mea culpa |
| 21:16.03 | lcuk | darkblue, if you have windows available, might be an idea to try the windows flasher - it may be a bit friendlier? |
| 21:16.12 | darkblue_B | wrong capital Fs and Rs |
| 21:16.23 | darkblue_B | no it appears I got it |
| 21:16.35 | lcuk | good |
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| 21:16.46 | lcuk | hates the command line |
| 21:17.03 | darkblue_B | yeah.. me too.. I can do it though |
| 21:17.41 | Toba | <3 cmd line |
| 21:17.50 | Toba | it's a pain on the little kb though so I installed openssh |
| 21:22.20 | darkblue_B | hey Q.. I have my unit set up with ssh and vnc |
| 21:22.44 | darkblue_B | to save some time now that I have ths next unit flashedm, I was going to do a backup/restore on it |
| 21:23.06 | darkblue_B | but.. my associate is british, so he set his to british english |
| 21:23.12 | darkblue_B | mine is US english |
| 21:23.45 | darkblue_B | do you think there would be some thing quirky about using restore is the basic OS setting was diferent like that? |
| 21:25.50 | darkblue_B | I thnk I'll just try it |
| 21:26.00 | darkblue_B | I can just flash thte thing again if there are problems |
| 21:29.36 | lcuk | set his to us english, restore settings, change back to british :) |
| 21:29.52 | darkblue_B | ahhh |
| 21:34.40 | darkblue_B | ok.. did a backup.. now to get the backup onto the other machine |
| 21:35.00 | lcuk | magic |
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| 21:44.30 | darkblue_B | any idea how to find the contents of a single internal card in the command line world? |
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| 21:46.18 | Dekaritae | It's not /media/mmc2 ? |
| 21:47.15 | darkblue_B | Dekaritae: thats it - thx |
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| 22:08.12 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugsquad why isn't "MediaWiki naming guidelines" a link? |
| 22:10.56 | summatusmentis | http://profile.ak.facebook.com/v223/1441/35/s1130156792_5249.jpg <- that sort of remind anyone of anything? |
| 22:11.54 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: grrr. someone created tms by name? |
| 22:11.56 | timelyx | that's insane |
| 22:13.01 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: and sadly they can't count either. |
| 22:13.56 | timelyx | wonders what maemo4.0.1 is |
| 22:15.07 | timelyx | could someone ask qwerty12 to load about:crashes in firefox3 ? |
| 22:15.58 | summatusmentis | just regular firefox3? |
| 22:16.07 | summatusmentis | like, on a destkop, vs. tablet? |
| 22:16.37 | summatusmentis | wtf... ignore my previous link, I have no idea what that is |
| 22:17.04 | summatusmentis | http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/origami-experience-2-0-finally-coming-to-a-umpc-near-you/ <- Does _that_ remind anyone of anything? |
| 22:18.09 | timelyx | andre___: you're enjoying maemo-developers? :) |
| 22:19.04 | dick-richardson | n810 showed up :D |
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| 22:19.55 | fuelfive | anyone had luck modifying the root image? |
| 22:20.22 | timelyx | could someone tell mgedmin thanks re:crypto tale :) |
| 22:20.26 | fuelfive | I'm following http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ModifyingRootImage, but keep getting IO errors |
| 22:20.32 | fuelfive | tar: ./sbin/udhcpc: Read error at byte 0, while reading 7168 bytes: Input/output error |
| 22:20.33 | fuelfive | etc |
| 22:27.11 | timelyx | someone tell unixsnob to google wyciwyg (and wysiwyg) [c=cache] |
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| 22:31.47 | timelyx | summatusmentis: no idea, there wasn't enough context for me to tell |
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| 22:31.55 | timelyx | if it was on the tablet then about:crashes should be blank |
| 22:32.58 | timelyx | hrm, i didn't get much of a karma boost for blogging |
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| 22:35.31 | timelyx | but seriously, what is maemo4.0.1? if i were to guess, it'd be diablo |
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| 22:56.07 | timelyx | chuckles |
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| 22:56.42 | timelyx | http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=583937&no_d2=1&cid=23793201 <- someone should bring Bruce to maemo-developers, he'd change his tune about frustration + /. :) |
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| 23:00.43 | timelyx | sighs |
| 23:01.02 | timelyx | would someone please explain to me how one *accidentally* selects close all windows? |
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| 23:02.59 | sp3000 | unlock, pocket :) |
| 23:03.10 | sp3000 | though it's still a bit unlikely |
| 23:04.04 | sp3000 | a more likely scenario would be using the menu to close one window because you're fullscreen and don't have a corner X, then miss in the menu |
| 23:04.51 | sp3000 | and then ctrl-q is near ctrl-w |
| 23:05.17 | timelyx | ctrl-q should never be bound to anything |
| 23:05.25 | timelyx | that's some UE designer's error, for which they should be fired :) |
| 23:06.17 | timelyx | quit all windows/quit application should really be bound to "use the power button" |
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| 23:07.37 | timelyx | but i'm pretty sure the bug report i'm about to read is about the menu item |
| 23:07.51 | timelyx | (which i'd rather we hadn't implemented at all, but...) |
| 23:10.28 | timelyx | don't suppose you remember where UI Specs are buried in bugs.maemo? |
| 23:11.20 | timelyx | oh, it's a product |
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| 23:11.36 | andre___ | timelyx, it's a product now |
| 23:11.36 | timelyx | interesting |
| 23:11.53 | timelyx | i sure didn't remember it being there when i was fixing tm links |
| 23:11.53 | andre___ | yeah. maybe easier to streamline those bugs and avoid devs closing them as wontfix |
| 23:12.01 | andre___ | i created it a week ago |
| 23:12.01 | timelyx | otoh, i wasn't paying much attn |
| 23:12.13 | andre___ | (got to go, later) |
| 23:12.23 | sp3000 | also, I have witnessed finns dancing some sort of polka in a circle |
| 23:12.23 | timelyx | i mass changed product milestone links on friday |
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| 23:12.34 | andre___ | cool |
| 23:12.35 | timelyx | sp3000: were they drunk? |
| 23:12.37 | sp3000 | the trauma will stay with me forever I'm sure |
| 23:12.43 | sp3000 | certainly |
| 23:12.47 | timelyx | more importantly, were you drunk? |
| 23:12.51 | sp3000 | was at a friend's wedding |
| 23:12.55 | sp3000 | certainly |
| 23:13.13 | timelyx | did your n8x0 record a video of it? |
| 23:13.20 | sp3000 | you realize these people are insane, and then you realize you're right in the middle |
| 23:13.47 | sp3000 | no, I don't think I got it on gps either :P |
| 23:13.57 | sp3000 | I'm sure there's some documentation somewhere |
| 23:14.21 | sp3000 | maybe, eventually |
| 23:15.18 | timelyx | vhs would be better than gps, but :) |
| 23:15.50 | timelyx | do i want to watch the ui-specification component? |
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| 23:15.53 | timelyx | or do i want to get dinner |
| 23:15.55 | timelyx | unixSnob! |
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| 23:16.14 | timelyx | 01:27 timelyx someone tell unixsnob to google wyciwyg (and wysiwyg) [c=cache] |
| 23:16.39 | timelyx | andre___: wow, you found someone willing to be an assignee for bugs? |
| 23:16.56 | timelyx | (actually, that will eventually prove to be unwise, but hey, i'll enjoy watching) |
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| 23:17.46 | timelyx | sighs |
| 23:17.52 | timelyx | needs to disable js based gmail |
| 23:17.56 | timelyx | it doesn't work here |
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| 23:22.13 | timelyx | heh |
| 23:22.18 | timelyx | someone installed mplayer-plugin on diablo |
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| 23:30.14 | GAN800 | timely, there's an announcement on maemo.org about 4.0.1. It corresponds to 50-2. |
| 23:30.26 | GAN800 | s/timely/timelyx/ |
| 23:30.51 | GAN800 | I had the same questions about the TMs. |
| 23:31.32 | GAN800 | dneary needs to be poked about linkifying the mediawiki guidelines. I wasn't able to produce them quickly when I looked. |
| 23:32.38 | timelyx | don't worry about nicks, i respond to them all |
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| 23:37.54 | GAN800 | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/maemo_4_0_1_released.html |
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| 23:39.13 | GAN800 | timelyx, bug #3248 doesn't seem to happen in fullscreen, only windowed. |
| 23:39.48 | timelyx | heh |
| 23:39.55 | timelyx | please comment |
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| 23:55.23 | timelyx | is planet.debian.org dead ? :) |
| 23:56.16 | shd | popcon.debian.org seems dead too.. |
