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00:14.15lcukGeneralAntilles, i know but kot also knows enough about my code to be able to maybe look closer quicker :)
00:14.41lcukits just a thought anyway :P
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00:49.50wolfspiritehh.. debian on my n800 was kind of annoying in my opinion.. it would be nice to have access to all of those apps but man.. it ran very slowly and the touch screen was very unresponsive
00:50.27KotCzarnyram issue then
00:51.20lcukor you could disable compiz and beryl ;)
00:51.42wolfspiritthat's not on by default is it?
00:52.17lcuki seriously doubt it..  its not like we have any 3d hardware to use
00:52.19lcukcries
00:52.37KotCzarnylcuk, no news about it on lt?
00:52.40lcukwipes his tears and gets on with coding anyway
00:52.51KotCzarnyon irc i saw some info about it
00:53.17KotCzarnyie. 'nokia has libs but can't release anything now'
00:53.32wolfspiritthere was just quite a few issues.. right clicking wasn't working (tried using the key launcher app), wireless was a pain, etc.  os2008 is very polished compared to debian/xfce on it
00:54.09GeneralAntilleswolfspirit, that's why you don't use it unless you actually have a reason to. ;)
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01:13.39wolfspiritGeneralAntilles: well I like to mess around with gadgets and try out all the different options on them  :)
01:14.20wolfspiritGeneralAntilles: the n800 is the first that I've actually like to use outside of just experimenting with it though.. it's a very intuitive little device
01:16.14wolfspiritI've had several ipaqs, the zodiac, a sony clie, gp32, gp2x, audrey, gba, nds, zaurus, etc.
01:16.19wolfspiritoh and the dell aixm x50v  :)  I'm a gadget geek
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01:20.31zerosumhow do you change where the browser downloads files to?
01:20.48wolfspiritusually when it pops up it will ask you
01:20.53wolfspiritit did for me anyways
01:21.38GeneralAntilles^
01:21.40GeneralAntillesTap "save"
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01:22.00fysaGeneralAntilles, OmniPlan + export html/jpg ;)
01:22.09fysa(re: timeline in Mediawiki)
01:22.22GeneralAntillesYeah, not a bad plan. :P
01:22.35GeneralAntilles<3 OmniGroup
01:24.56KotCzarnyhttp://www.techamok.com/?pid=4639
01:24.57KotCzarnyouch
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01:29.10lcukright, gnite kot and whoevers awake :)
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01:29.22KotCzarnynite nite
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02:25.19n800msorry
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02:40.11fysahttp://blog.wired.com/sterling/2008/06/eriks-prototype.html
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02:42.05KotCzarnyold
02:42.06KotCzarny:)
02:42.31fysadoh
02:42.34KotCzarnyand probably not practical
02:46.58n800mhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mdMb6bRXt4
02:47.06n800mgreatest video evah
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02:49.24KotCzarnyold too
02:49.25KotCzarny:)
02:49.35n800myeah i just found out
02:49.49KotCzarnydolly song has a nice bassline too
02:50.15KotCzarny(it's the loituma remake by some studio)
02:50.22n800msaw that one too
02:50.26n800mi've been catching up
02:50.42n800mask me about techno crazy frog
02:50.56KotCzarnyi have heard some very nice beefed up bassline of loituma, but can't find it in mp3
02:51.07n800mthey're all on youtube i think
02:51.15KotCzarnyyeah, but i can't find it
02:51.40KotCzarnyyou know, i have heard the remix in some vid, but can't find the full mp3
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02:56.12pupniki'm a little dissapointed
02:56.34pupniksome maemo people don't understand the
02:56.57pupnikproblems inherent in force and fraud
02:57.28pupnikbut i'll get you up to speed
02:57.48GeneralAntillesHehe
02:58.30pupnikgen you're a good candidate for mises.org media
02:59.12pupnikhttp://mises.org/media.aspx
03:01.52pupniksorry if that sounded arrogant.. i suggest it because of respect
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03:02.31GeneralAntilleslol, I've been through some of it.
03:02.35GeneralAntillesHad it bookmarked
03:02.42GeneralAntillesUsually drop by when I'm in the mood. ;)
03:03.08pupnikif you want to talk about a particular topic, i'm free in PM
03:03.16GeneralAntillesActually, I think the bookmark was from you mentioning it previously.
03:03.20fysamises is good.
03:03.30pupnikhappy
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03:04.17fysaa little behind, but I usually share any good economics/money-related stuff I find here: http://www.google.com/reader/shared/17922113735390681007
03:04.59fysahttp://blog.mises.org/blog/
03:05.41pupniksome fun things on the google link but not much economics
03:06.08fysaif you use Google Reader, my items will automatically show up on your read list and vice versa
03:06.16pupnikactually very cool blog fysa
03:06.25pupnikgameswise
03:06.39fysabut yeah, I'm a week behind and haven't gotten through the economics yet
03:06.46fysahttp://suddendebt.blogspot.com/
03:06.59pupnikman... i'm not going to have time for snes
03:07.01fysahttp://www.controlledgreed.com/
03:07.03GeneralAntillesLove the 64 article.
03:07.06GeneralAntillesBlast Corps
03:07.14GeneralAntillesI wish it would work in SixtyForce. :(
03:07.18pupniki could do it too.. :/
03:07.40fysahttp://www.shadowstats.com/
03:07.48pupnikyeah i like Williams
03:07.49fysaanyway :)
03:07.54pupnikmaybe i gave you that link too :)
03:08.11pupnikno it's great stuff
03:08.12fysaI've been following this stuff for a while now, just was never really on-topic here.
03:08.18pupnikyeah
03:08.29pupnikgreat to see you on top of it though
03:08.43fysareading Crash Proof now
03:09.00GeneralAntillesWe're frequently not on-topic here. :P
03:09.19pupnikthis made my day
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05:43.11RST38h'Whoever transmits in interstate or foreign commerce any communication, with the intent to coerce, intimidate, harass, or cause substantial emotional distress to a person, using electronic means to support severe, repeated, and hostile behavior, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.'
05:43.29GeneralAntillesWoo, cyber-bullying!
05:43.36GeneralAntillesThey should crack down on real bullying instead. <_<
05:43.50johnxcause I'm sure that won't get abused at all
05:43.53johnxno way
05:44.07KotCzarnyyeah, say that to radio free euorope :P
05:44.20KotCzarnyor whatever it was called
05:44.34RST38hGeneral: You are done for. The meanwhile guy is coming for you! =)
05:45.08RST38hKot: Somebody abused RFERL? Was it done anally, I hope?
05:45.48GeneralAntillesohshiohshiohshi
05:45.52KotCzarnyno no, they were abusing commies :)
05:46.14RST38hCommies did not mind, as far as I remember
05:46.33RST38hThe weird part is that RFERL continues to exist =)
05:46.38KotCzarnyyeah..
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05:49.18KotCzarnywell, belarus is still in the old times
05:50.00RST38hThey still have Russian service
05:50.07RST38hDo they still have Polish one btw?
05:50.18KotCzarnyi don't know
05:50.32KotCzarnyi know about it from jokes
05:51.27RST38hhttp://www.rferl.com/languages/
05:51.30DekaritaeYay
05:51.31RST38hTook Poland out.
05:51.33DekaritaeI have Wi-Fi
05:51.56KotCzarnyDekaritae: no kidding, how does it look?
05:52.07DekaritaeBetter than Bluetooth ICS
05:52.29DekaritaeSomeone in my building has radio device that clobbers Wi-Fi
05:52.51KotCzarnyall channels?
05:52.52RST38hIs it another ap?
05:53.06RST38hOr some kind of Doomsday Weapon?
05:53.26DekaritaeNo idea
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05:53.51KotCzarnyrst, heh, i though ukraine is liberated too
05:53.51RST38hwell, chceck
05:53.59KotCzarnybut apparently it isn't :>
05:54.04KotCzarny(looking at that list)
05:54.05DekaritaeChannel 11 at full power and an external antennae works, I get 24 Mbps
05:54.11RST38hKot: Not yet, there is still chance!
05:54.24RST38hThe Bad Guys (tm) may still win!
05:54.57RST38hDeka: Distance?
05:54.58KotCzarnyheh
05:55.07DekaritaeI can use N800 in bathroom
05:55.13KotCzarnylol
05:55.17Dekaritaeupstairs, mebbe 20 feet
05:55.27RST38hDeka: What are walls made of?
05:55.47DekaritaeGyproc, 2x4 wood, vermiculite and fibreglass insulation
05:56.22RST38h< 8" I hope?
05:56.35DekaritaeI assume
05:57.10DekaritaeNext project
05:57.22DekaritaeMake mini-B to mini-B cable to attach USB hub
05:57.54Dekaritaemini-B to USB female + USB male to mini-B to USB hub works
05:58.16RST38hHow about shifting to a different channel?
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05:58.46DekaritaeRelevance
05:59.42RST38hWell, if somebody else is also using channel 11, you may get better performance at a different channel
06:00.08DekaritaeNo other channels work
06:00.20RST38hAlso, when you say 24Mbps, how do you measure it? Where is the other endpoint?
06:00.32DekaritaeCurrently < 3 feet
06:00.57RST38hhehehe
06:01.00DekaritaeMeasure by speedtest.net
06:01.12RST38hYou are measuring it between two wifi clients 3 feet apart?
06:01.19RST38hAh, ok
06:01.37RST38hHow fast is your uplink then?
06:01.38DekaritaeYes, and with math against known speed from desktop to ISP
06:02.21DekaritaeVaries
06:02.33DekaritaePeak 3M
06:02.39DekaritaeBut rarely
06:03.00Dekaritae~ 300 ping
06:03.03infobotACTION throws ping down a well for making yet another 300 joke.
06:03.17DekaritaeEr
06:03.19KotCzarnyhehe
06:03.28KotCzarnynow that was actually funny
06:03.51Dekaritae????? ?????
06:04.01KotCzarnyimagine ping as a spartan
06:04.09KotCzarnyand what it can do to firewalls
06:04.19DekaritaeMadness
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06:04.44KotCzarnyexactly.
06:06.37RST38hDeka: Ok. Your uplonk is 3MB/sec. You are measuring speed from your machine through the router through the uplink to speedtest.com
06:06.52DekaritaeYes
06:06.59RST38hDeka: You are getting 24Mbd which is exactly 3MB/sec
06:07.10RST38hDeka: So, what is your problem?
06:07.21DekaritaeNo problem yet
06:07.32KotCzarnyhigh ping is the problem
06:07.35RST38hAh
06:07.41DekaritaeHave not tried streaming PC to N800 music
06:07.43KotCzarnyand probably packet retransmits
06:09.49RST38hDeka: Do a traceroute a few times and see which part of the route causes ping delay
06:10.29DekaritaeIn bit
06:11.23DekaritaeLooking for USB drive enclosure with AA power
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06:12.24DekaritaeYay
06:12.24Dekaritaehttp://www.bixnet.com/60poushadrwi.html
06:12.50DekaritaeYay. Connects mini-B, so no drain on N800 port
06:13.39KotCzarnyPowered from USB port and internal battery
06:13.44KotCzarnyo.o
06:13.47KotCzarnyboth?
06:14.23DekaritaeAssuming draw on USB to save battery
06:14.40keesjDekaritae: it looks like an ovwersized mp3 player
06:14.48DekaritaeCamoflage
06:15.55keesjit is probably heavyer then the n8x0 :p
06:17.29DekaritaeSo I make long cable
06:18.00KotCzarnyjust buy 2x32gb sd cards ;)
06:19.48keesjor use upnp, that is what this device was designed for
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06:20.24RST38hit is an oversized mp3 player!
06:20.32keesjrecent Canola version support upnp (I have not tried it yes)
06:20.53DekaritaeRecommend a server?
06:20.54qwerty12Check the canola forum for ones that work.
06:21.16Dekaritaeoki
06:21.52keesj"Super scale LCD screen" lol
06:23.06RST38hDeka: I think Caonla guys recommend a server
06:23.38GeneralAntillesFUPPES
06:23.52GeneralAntillesMediaTomb is preferred by many, though.
06:23.56patohls
06:23.58patohoops
06:24.21johnxis kinda disappointed by browserd memory usage :/
06:24.48GeneralAntillespatoh, IRC: ls: it's full of assholes
06:24.55qwerty12s**tf**k, I have to reflash my N800 >.<. I've messed up me N800
06:25.03qwerty12hcid keeps crashing :/
06:25.09johnxah
06:25.10GeneralAntillesqwerty12, and whose fault is that? :P
06:25.29KotCzarnyqwerty, do a backups
06:25.33qwerty12GeneralAntilles, Technically, I did say "I've messed up" :p
06:25.34GeneralAntillesjohnx, file a bug on that so timeless can kick your ass. :P
06:25.41KotCzarnyevery day before starting to break your device
06:25.45johnxGeneralAntilles, sounds like fun
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06:25.59KotCzarnyif your os is cloned it should be trivial
06:26.04qwerty12I'm taking the easy way out, I'm making a Diablo rootfs, I can't be arsed with this flash chinook crap
06:26.23GeneralAntillesWhy not just rsync or tar it or something?
06:26.57qwerty12I need to make a new, clean rootfs, I can't be bothered to go through installing diablo again for the 7th time using the SSU method
06:27.11qwerty12So I'll just extract it all of the computer
06:27.15KotCzarnyqwerty, make. a. backup.
06:27.15KotCzarny:)
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06:27.27KotCzarnyof the running os
06:27.30KotCzarny:)
06:27.31DekaritaeIs there a way to disable touchscreen wakeup?
06:27.42DekaritaeThis feature I dislike
06:27.47KotCzarnydekaritae: yes, click power button
06:27.55KotCzarnythen 'lock the keys and screen'
06:28.24qwerty12KotCzarny, Will do after I've reflashed
06:28.31KotCzarny:)
06:28.53KotCzarnyqwerty: and make sure it restores cleanly :)
06:30.27qwerty12Heh, I remember when I made a backup of the icons and it messed up, johnx saved my behind then :)
06:33.16Navijohnx, you use up too much of my memory
06:34.08DekaritaeI don't want to lock the keys ever
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06:34.18DekaritaeJust not to wakeup on screen touch
06:34.23KotCzarnywell
06:34.31KotCzarnyyou can set brightness to minimum
06:35.10KotCzarnyie. 0
06:35.12DekaritaeHob
06:35.22KotCzarnyadv-backlight
06:35.28KotCzarnyor whatever it was called
06:35.44DekaritaeMebbe
06:36.00DekaritaeMebbe I need a case it can't be touch through
06:36.49RST38hActually, waking up on a certain gesture is a nice idea
06:37.03RST38hLike, you draw a cross or a circle and it wakes up
06:37.31KotCzarnyrst, that would suck battery in pocket
06:37.34KotCzarnyetc
06:37.40RST38hWhy?
06:37.50KotCzarnyconstant analyzing of the x input
06:38.03RST38hUntil your stylus touch the screen, it will suck the same amount as today
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06:38.18RST38hOnce it touches the screen, it may suck a bit more, but that is a rare event
06:38.42KotCzarnyand how do you differentiate between stylus and trash in your pocket?
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06:39.07KotCzarny(more analyzing)
06:39.19RST38htrue
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06:39.49RST38hbut then, the current implementation just wakes up on any touch, trash or not
06:40.12RST38hso it can't be worse
06:40.30KotCzarnynot unless you leave it unlocked
06:40.37RST38hcorrect
06:40.54RST38hbut the lock switch is not going anywhere, gestures or not
06:41.11KotCzarnypower button is well postioned
06:41.22KotCzarnyso it's hard for it to be pressed accidentally
06:41.55GeneralAntillesSoftpower off is working better in Diablo
06:42.01DekaritaeVafa
06:42.01GeneralAntillesWhich is a nice solution.
06:42.03RST38hhttp://gizmodo.com/5014392/cruzin-cooler-operator-gets-charged-with-dwi
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06:44.21qwerty12isn't entirely sure this rootfs idea is gonna work, I'm probably gonna have to reflash and then use 0xFFFF to dump a rootfs
06:44.39KotCzarnybah.
06:44.55KotCzarnyuse cp -a
06:44.57KotCzarnyor rsync
06:45.04KotCzarnyor tar
06:45.07qwerty12Nah, I want a file that I can flash with the flasher
06:45.18qwerty12I don't want to be reflashing chinook and untarring everytime
06:45.27RST38hqwerty <== 100% right
06:45.30qwerty12That's the point of a rootfs, something that I can flash and be done with
06:45.34KotCzarnymake your own script and add it to the initfs
06:45.55qwerty12KotCzarny, Why do the extra work when I can just dump a jffs2 image?
06:46.06DekaritaeYou talk like cagey tigers
06:46.13qwerty12I'd still have to modify the initfs image anyway which is jffs2
06:46.39KotCzarnyit can be anything
06:46.44KotCzarnyor you can remount it rw
06:48.03qwerty12But my SSH doesn't work anyway and I'd have to waste time running the initfs flasher in chinook or reflash an initfs with the flasher (while I note, I could be flashing the rootfs)
06:48.12DekaritaeI haf stickers
06:48.20DekaritaeCannot decide whether N800 is autobot or decepticon
06:48.35qwerty12My N800 is a ladies man
06:48.38RST38hGeneral: Remember ITT thread about marketing?
06:48.51RST38hGeneral: The "PC Mag gives N810 3/6"?
06:48.52KotCzarnyqwerty: then do what suits you, but please, don't grouch :)
06:49.39qwerty12I ain't grouching ;) but my idea's a lot easier
06:49.47KotCzarnynods
06:49.59KotCzarnyeasier for you
06:49.59KotCzarny:)
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06:50.19gomiamomg wtf rotfl
06:50.50gomiamI have been searched for by a chinese RFID tags maker on Google
06:51.00gomiamand found through this channel's log
06:51.01gomiamXDD
06:51.14qwerty12Well, Set up Diablo one time > Backup rootfs > Reflash with flasher > Profit. Set up Diablo > Rsync rootfs > Reflash Chinook > Reflash initfs flasher > modify linuxrc to untar rootfs.
06:51.20gomiams/searched/looked/
06:51.39KotCzarnygomiam: or some employee with n8x0 and too much free time?
06:51.39KotCzarny:)
06:53.05RST38hgomiam: did he tag you?
06:53.19RST38has in "tagged and released"
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06:53.47KotCzarnytag! you are it!
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06:55.19GeneralAntillesRST38h, maybe, they're all kinda blurred together into one massive, horrifying super-thread.
06:59.35GeneralAntillesRST38h, this the one?
06:59.36GeneralAntilleshttp://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14893
06:59.40GeneralAntillesSeems like it's not.
07:00.16RST38hGeneral: Remember my urinal + drinking fountain example?
07:00.25GeneralAntillesVaguely
07:00.27patohthat was the wrong time to join
07:00.27GeneralAntillesGet me the link. :P
07:00.37patohwell read the backlog anyway :P
07:00.48RST38hGeneral: a moment
07:00.52GeneralAntilleshttp://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17027&page=17
07:00.55GeneralAntillesThere it is.
07:01.48RST38hhttp://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=149130&postcount=159
07:02.17RST38hwas purposely creating the most unrealistic example
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07:02.43RST38hButr guess what? http://gizmodo.com/5014355/onda-urinal-concept-changes-the-question-did-you-wash-yours-hands-while-going-to-the-bathroom
07:03.09GeneralAntillesHa
07:03.11GeneralAntillesGross
07:03.21RST38hfeels uneasy of making examples and predicting things now
07:03.33rm_youyoyo
07:03.39GeneralAntillesJust don't make any examples about Nazi robots taking over the world, please. ;)
07:03.42RST38h'cause if at least 10% of his predictions turn true....
07:04.17RST38hGeneral: Actually, I have a different fate for the world =)
07:04.35KotCzarnypredict fall of nwo
07:05.07RST38hBut on the matter of nazi robots: http://www.ironsky.net/site/?p=16
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07:06.07RST38hKot: to begin with, I predict the replacement of USAF with automated aircraft
07:06.28RST38hKot: And Boeing/Lokheed/whatever getting a contract for piloting them
07:06.33KotCzarnythat's already being done
07:06.45KotCzarnyfly by wire etc.
07:06.56RST38hKot: Yep. And the USAF is being reorganized as we speak
07:07.29RST38hKot: But the drones are still being piloted by the military. I am pretty sure that they will outsource it to drone manufacturers who already do the maintenance anyway
07:07.50GeneralAntillesI don't see that happening.
07:07.58RST38hGeneral: A moment
07:08.54RST38hGeneral: http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htlead/articles/20080608.aspx
07:09.27RST38hKot: Then they will start looking for places to bomb (again)
07:09.33Dekaritaehttp://lifehacker.com/394706/touchpad-pro-turns-your-iphone-or-ipod-touch-into-a-trackpad-mouse
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07:10.12GeneralAntillesDekaritae, you can do that with an OS X machine and any internet-enabled device with RemoteBuddy.
07:10.16KotCzarnypf. x2x
07:10.41DekaritaeI could do with my Palm devices using Salling Clicker
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07:25.59GeneralAntillesWoo
07:25.59GeneralAntilleshttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/09/thecus-unveils-the-massive-n7700-eight-bay-nas/
07:26.17GeneralAntillesCombine ten 770s and they become a giant NAS?
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07:27.01patohto many 0's :P
07:27.05patohwell one to many
07:27.23KotCzarny'too'
07:27.30GeneralAntilles770 * 10 = 7700 :P
07:27.39RST38hGeneral: and a large screen lcd tv
07:28.05GeneralAntillesshoulda bought more 770s when they were cheap.
07:28.18DekaritaeReference thread regarding local Xvnc server and VNCViewer to run non-hildon apps
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07:37.53keesjhow about such an adapter http://www.bixnet.com/usbcawibuba.html
07:39.25keesjit remains a lot of calble
07:39.57RST38hheh, brilliant (in a way)
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07:40.56keesjI also have a Y cable and I can attacht a phone charger to it (this has the same neto result)
07:41.36keesjthe same site sels those cable for 8 $ , and that is a faire price IMHO
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07:56.20X-Fadetimeless: Thanks for the ping on #1671.
07:58.35GAN800X-Fade, the wiki login page needs to be revised to mention the garage, and maybe provide a link to the garage registration page.
07:59.59X-FadeGAN800: I already tried to edit it yesterday. But there is no edit function for that.
08:00.19GAN800I was poking at it too.
08:00.54GAN800Couldn't figure it out. There are a bunch of Mediawiki:login things, but none of them seem to be the right one.
08:01.51X-FadeYeah, and you can't edit the Special: page for it.
08:02.08GAN800Gotta be some way to do it.
08:02.21GAN800What mediawiki version are we on?
08:03.43X-Fade1.12.0
08:04.51keesjI was migging the editing help on the new wiki yesterday
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08:08.24GAN800Also, maybe a bug, I have a new message banner that I can't get to go away, even after blanking my talk page. :/
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08:10.54hrhrIf it's possible dump nand with some tool throught usb?
08:10.57hrhron n810
08:10.59hrhr=)
08:11.15GAN8000xffff
08:11.53hrhr?
08:12.52GAN800Google it.
08:13.03hrhrok
08:13.21GAN800It's a third party flash t
08:13.34GAN800flasher tool that should do what you need.
08:13.48hrhrok,just find it
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08:15.52hrhrGAN800: how about stability of it?
08:16.01hrhrcan it crash my device&
08:16.03hrhr?
08:16.20[nine]for dumping flash, it's hardly a concern.
08:16.29johnxworks fine here
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08:16.56hrhrthx, will try
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08:25.58KotCzarnymtdtools would also work
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08:29.25hrhrmtdtools as I understand works directly from tablet, I want throught usb
08:31.12KotCzarny0xffff won't work through usb too.
08:31.36hrhrda nu
08:32.18hrhr0xfff local tool which run in tablet?
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08:32.48KotCzarnyonenand flash isn't exposed via usb
08:33.21rm_youGAN800: hrm
08:33.34rm_youGAN800: can't figure out how to change the alignment on those number boxes
08:33.59KotCzarnyrm_you: tear it down to the foundation, build again :>
08:34.01keesjhrhr: come on hrhr, what kind of luxury do you want?
08:34.10GAN800That I'm certain there's example code around for. ;)
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08:35.32rm_youGAN800: well, they are a custom Hildon Widget, not a standard GTK thing...
08:36.54RST38hGan: btw, did you have a chance to make those arrow icons?
08:38.35GAN800Not yet, I'll get around to it as soon as my AC gets replaced today or tomorrow.
08:39.39rm_youGAN800: oh nm i see what you were talking about
08:40.33RST38hack.
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09:17.57zapAnybody had ever problems with enabling USB host on a N810? I have two things here, one works fine and other doesn't see anything I connect to it (same cable, same USB pen drive)
09:18.12AStormhm?
09:18.25AStormsame thing, and you're saying "other" doesn't?
09:18.26AStormwtf?
09:18.30AStormexplain clearer
09:18.34X-Fadezap: Other OS version?
09:18.35zapI have two N810s
09:18.37zapno\
09:18.38AStormah
09:18.44[nine]tries to work out how long he's been trying to get a 16GB sdhc card working on his N800 for before changing the partition type to an lba variant and it suddenly working
09:18.47AStormwell, it works here
09:18.48zapflashed them both with the same firmware
09:18.52AStormit should work everywhere
09:19.02AStormmaybe one N810 of yours is damaged
09:19.08zapI use the usbcontrol python script
09:19.33zapwhen I enable Host mode, the one that works switches from b_idle to a_wait_vrise
09:19.41zapthe other stays in b_idle
09:20.00zapperipherial mode on both works fine
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09:21.30AStormi don't know that script
09:22.46zapdoesn't matter, cat /sys/whatever/state shows b_idle as well
09:23.22andre___sounds a bit like https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3026
09:23.51zapaha!
09:24.15andre___feel free to add comments, vote for that bug, or apply the patch and add feedback
09:24.35zapyes, that's it, thank you very much
09:25.08andre___sure, np
09:25.37andre___hmm, i need to escalate for that one to get the patch in quickly
09:26.34zapwould be cool to have that fixed in Diablo
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09:32.25andre___zap: let me see what I can do - at least having it in an update must be possible
09:48.14zapandre___: will it help pushing the patch if I'll just my two cents to that report?
09:48.39andre___it can never hurt to have "patch works for me" comments
09:49.03andre___i dislike "i want that feature too" comments because we have a voting system, but volunteers testing patches and giving feedback is MOST welcome!
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09:52.08zap:) I'm not able yet to build a patched kernel, unfortunately
09:53.07andre___voting is also ok. just make noise :)
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10:53.26lardmanmorning
10:53.58dnearyMorning
10:54.09lardmanhi dneary
10:54.10dnearyhow're things in Bath?
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10:54.21lardmansunny and warm :)
10:54.42lardmanand in France (?)
10:55.27dnearykind of cloudy
10:55.35dnearyBut I can see some blue sky from here
10:56.14dnearyLots of blue skies today actually
10:56.21dnearyBut it's not expected to last
10:56.52lardmanI'm shocked we've had 3 passable days in a row here, supposed to be summer after all, where's the rain? ;)
10:58.11dnearyIt's over here :)
11:01.03lardmanthe problem with nice sunny weather is I'm less inclined to sit in front of the PC in the evening and do anything
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11:01.44ido--'lo
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11:01.51ido--is there a way to safe boot the n770
11:02.05ido--or at restore OS
11:02.12ido--cus it keeps on rebooting
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11:22.34lardmanido--: what did you install to make it do that?
11:24.02ido--hrm stuff to do with hildon
11:24.16ido--some os2008 stuff on an os2007
11:24.19lardmanido--: to make it boot, you can use the flasher to disable the lifeguard
11:24.29lardmanotherwise you'll need to reflash it
11:24.53ido--it boots
11:24.59ido--it just reboots :p
11:25.01ido--hrmf
11:25.03lardmanto make it start up then
11:25.04ido--already reflashed it
11:25.10lardmanfair enough
11:25.27lardmannext time look at how to set the R&D flags
11:25.36ido--how sensative is the screen on the n770 ?
11:25.50lardmanI touch it, it notices. ?
11:26.03ido--touch soft, hard ?
11:26.19ido--cus my screen is a little defective
11:26.21ido--i think
11:26.25lardmanno objective figures, but works fine for me, I don't have to press too hard
11:26.32ido--i bought it on ebay
11:26.36lardmanido--: could be the sw
11:27.25ido--was like that on os2006
11:27.29ido--and now on 2007 too
11:28.41lardmandunno I'm afraid
11:28.57lardmanthere were lots of threads about this on itt, & also on the ml iirc
11:29.11[nine]grumbles about the "Inconsistency detected by ld.so" error
11:29.14ido--ml / itt ?
11:29.49[nine]scratchbox wouldn't install on amd64, so i setup an i386 chroot and installed scratchbox into that. now it won't start!
11:30.06lardmanmailing list
11:30.07lardman~itt
11:30.11infobot[itt] the forums on internettablettalk.com ( http://internettablettalk.com/forums )
11:30.23wnd[nine], restarting scratchbox-core usually helps with my installation
11:30.48wndof course if you haven't started it in the first place, well, start it
11:30.57[nine]:D, yuss, it's started.
11:31.04lcukok, who teleported me from manchester: its sunny and hot
11:31.23lardmanWhere would I find the source for bluez-utils-3.28 which is used in Diablo?
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11:31.39lcukhi marius
11:31.42wndhowever right now my scratchbox 1 seems to be all messed up, "Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed!", and I haven't had to look into it at all
11:32.05wndin other words, sounds like we have the same problem
11:32.08[nine]yeah, that's what i'm getting.
11:32.30[nine]COMPAT_VDSO is disabled in the kernel (debian 2.6.25-2-amd64).
11:32.48[nine]it works on the i386 laptop i have, setting vm.vdso_enabled to 0.
11:33.56lardmanah, https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/connectivity/
11:34.53[nine]wonders if he can scrape together some crufty i386 machine to sit in the corner to do builds
11:36.28lardman[nine]: ignore the fact it won't install, do it manually
11:36.37lardmanused to work on x86_64 for me
11:36.51[nine]lardman: most of the binaries don't seem to work.
11:37.05lardman[nine]: make sure you have the 32bit libs installed too?
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11:37.40[nine]lardman: ia32-libs are installed, but the problem seems to be elsewhere.
11:37.59mgedminhi lcuk
11:38.01lardmanhmm, oh well, used to work for me
11:38.17[nine]even running "ldd /scratchbox/tools/bin/python" makes it complain about ld.so inconsistency.
11:38.27[nine]and that's not even executing the binary.
11:38.47mgedminwnd: known problem with a known fix
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11:39.18[nine]mgedmin: afaik, the known fix is "downgrade to an earlier kernel"?
11:39.21mgedminsudo sysctl -w vm.vdso_enabled=0
11:39.25mgedminis a much simpler fix
11:39.40[nine]that file doesn't exist.
11:39.48[nine]neither does kernel.vdso
11:39.59mgedminand then when you get mmap: Permission denied, the fix is
11:40.01mgedminsudo sysctl -w vm.mmap_min_addr=4096
11:40.10mgedminnine, what file doesn't exist?
11:40.22[nine]/proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled
11:40.23mgedmin/proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled?
11:40.32mgedminare you looking inside scratchbox or outside?
11:40.36mgedminyou need to look outside
11:40.36[nine]outside.
11:40.40mgedminthen strange
11:40.42wnd% zgrep VDSO /proc/config.gz
11:40.42wnd# CONFIG_COMPAT_VDSO is not set
11:40.43[nine]mmm.
11:40.57wndI think [nine] already said that
11:41.05mgedmindoesn't have /proc/config.gz
11:41.19[nine]seems to be something with debian's amd64 kernels.
11:41.34mgedminI wish people would just fix scratchbox to work with modern kernels, if that's possible
11:41.38[nine]/proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled exists on the i386 kernels, and scratchbox works.
11:41.50wndmgedmin, what about /boot/config-$(uname -r)?
11:42.12mgedminmg@platonas:~ $ grep -i vdso /boot/config-`uname -r`
11:42.12mgedmin# CONFIG_COMPAT_VDSO is not set
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11:42.30mgedminah, amd64
11:42.32mgedminhaven't tried that one
11:42.42lardmanwishes nokia to get on and release Diablo so he can debug sbc without having to backport the changes to bluez-utils-3.20
11:43.06wndanyway, this wasn't a problem with pre-2.6.25 debian packaged amd64-kernels
11:43.29wndI wonder if this problem is even valid with sb2
11:43.48mgedminthe mmap one is
11:43.50mgedminnot sure about vdso
11:45.22mgedminshould learn not to jump into the middle of a discussion
11:46.26wndwhat would irc be without it?
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12:00.24aquatixhas the idle hope that diablo is late because nokia is putting in a new gecko version
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12:16.13lardmanwonders if he should try Diablo again, despite not being able to reboot
12:17.54X-Fadelardman: Q2 is still a few weeks. So it can at least between 1 day and 21, _if_ they will release in Q2 :)
12:18.36lardmanX-Fade: yeah, I just want to debug the sbc stuff, and bluez-utils-3.28 (which is used in Diablo) doens't need any changes
12:19.01lardmanwhereas to go back to 3.20 which is in chinook I need to do some backporting
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12:26.40ido--how can i mount a smbfs drive on my n770 ?
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12:27.12lardmanido--: There's a wizard in downloads/extras iirc, I can't rememeber the name of the top of my head though
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12:28.01ido--it didnt work
12:28.04ido--for some reason
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12:29.55Anunakinwhat u OS? 2007 or 2008HE ?
12:30.00lardmanGoogle then is the best bet, and try some options - there seem to be lots: smbmount, mount + smbfs, cifs
12:30.02AnunakinI think u need 2008He
12:30.03rm_youlardman: how goes it?
12:30.13rm_youlardman: got your stuff compiled yet? :P
12:30.13lardmanrm_you: not bad, you?
12:30.22rm_youmaking progress on 0.9b
12:30.24rm_you:P
12:30.29ido--os2007
12:30.31rm_yougot most of my TODOs done
12:30.32_Zap__what is the meaning of this warning: We could not read lowmem page stats ??
12:30.33lardmancompiled but segfaulting when compiled as part of bluez-utils
12:30.35ido--HE
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12:30.37rm_you:(
12:31.00rm_youyou would have thought making the driver work would be the hard part >_>
12:31.05_Zap__i try to start my application from the task navigator but it only shows some loading text and doesn't open
12:31.08lardmanstrange, as if I compile sbcenc in a single line gcc command (after removing the VERSION #define) it works
12:31.21rm_you>_>
12:31.21lardmanrm_you: you and me both :)
12:31.25ido--whats the best pdf reader ?
12:31.30rm_youheh
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12:31.45rm_youis *still* working on tracking down a crash bug
12:32.05rm_youis there a way to actually find out WHY my statusbar applet crashes?
12:32.14lardmanrm_you: It would be good if Diablo were released, as the 3.28 version of Bluez-utils in there uses the same interface to the sbc functions; the version I use in chinook (3.20) is different and I'm not sure I've hacked the code in the right way
12:32.20rm_youis there a way to start an strace on a program thats already running?
12:32.36BlafaselAfaik yes
12:32.42Blafaselwith -p pid or something
12:32.46rm_youlardman: would love to see diablo out... <_< but is that going to be os2009? or what?
12:32.56rm_youi'm out of the diablo loop
12:32.57rm_you<_<
12:33.10lardmanrm_you: no, 2008.1 or something like that, just a minor upgrade
12:33.12Blafaselmanpage agrees: -ppid
12:33.57rm_youhrm
12:34.01rm_youwonder if thatll work
12:34.15lardmanlooks for a decent gdb explanation
12:34.20andre___yeah, i think diablo is a minor upgrade
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12:35.50mgedminrm_you: can you reproduce your crash in scratchbox on x86?
12:35.55mgedminif so, valgrind can be a big help
12:36.17rm_youmgedmin: would be hard for a statusbar app i think?
12:36.24rm_youdunno, never set up the x86 build environment
12:36.39rm_youi always just build for arm and copy the stuff over to my n800 to test
12:36.51rm_youi suppose it would be a better workflow if i could test locally :P
12:37.03lardmanrm_you: print out messages, do it the old fashioned way :)
12:37.12rm_youlol
12:37.15rm_youhow
12:37.22rm_youstatusbar app prints to... ?!?
12:37.33ido--is a n800 much faster then a n770 ?
12:37.41ido--i mean, usage wise
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12:37.50ido--is it an enough reason to get an 800 ?
12:38.15Blafaselrm_you: Print to a file? Who cares, should work ;)
12:38.22lardmanrm_you: where does stderr go to?
12:38.23rm_youlol
12:38.49mgedmin/tmp/debug.log is sane
12:38.52lardmanprinting to a file is bad unless you make sure it flushes after each write
12:38.54rm_youprintf("entering loop 1.... id = %d", i)
12:38.55rm_youlol
12:39.15lardmandon't knock it, that's how DSP debugging is done :S
12:39.15mgedminrm_you: yes, debugging a statusbar app is hard
12:39.24rm_youyeah i know, i do it a lot that way :P
12:39.25rm_youbut still
12:39.28mgedminbut my understanding is that debugging a statusbar app on x86 is easier than debugging it on arm
12:39.34rm_youyeah prolly
12:39.35lcuklogs and debugs everything that way
12:39.36mgedminthere was a howto somewhere...
12:39.58rm_youyeah... wish i could print to stderr or something
12:40.03rm_youand actually read it
12:40.10rm_youtoo bad itos dumps all its logs >_<
12:40.17rm_youno syslog, no real dmesg
12:40.18rm_you>_>
12:40.47lcukopen a port out to remote host and have your software blog about its day :)
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12:41.55lcuk13:43 adv_backlight: awww poo, he closed me down
12:41.57rm_youlol
12:42.00aquatix*g*
12:42.36rm_youthought about having it send mail to nokia every time it got opened, complaining about lack of display applet source :P
12:42.55rm_youbut decided that'd prolly just annoy them
12:43.11aquatixno shit ;)
12:43.17lcukno, you need to have it send a mail every time the slider is changed ;)
12:43.22X-Faderm_you: You can just install syslog and have your logs..
12:43.35rm_youreally?
12:43.40X-FadeSure.
12:43.55X-Fadeapt-get is your friend
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12:44.08lcuksimple solutions in a complex world :) thanks x-fade, i think you have just made rm's day
12:44.10monkeyiqis liqbase available for d/load someplace that I missed ?
12:44.21rm_youerr
12:44.25rm_youwhat repo is it in?
12:44.30lcuknot yet its not
12:44.43monkeyiqlcuk: k, thanks... :)
12:44.47rm_youlcuk: did you release stuff yet? :P
12:45.02lcukmonkeyiq, its not even feature complete yet, but will be soon
12:45.13X-Faderm_you: I think the sdk one, but I don't know exactly. I use it for debugging at least.
12:45.18lcukhas proven the concept at least
12:45.25monkeyiqlcuk: just qgil making everyone dry mouthed for it before its in svn ;)
12:45.49lcukwell tell qgil that ill put mine in svn when he puts his in :P
12:45.58monkeyiqhehehehhe
12:46.26rm_youX-Fade: gronmayer says "nothing was found for syslog in OS 2008" >_>
12:46.49lardmanI think it's called ksyslog
12:46.50lcukno, im over the moon at the response ive had - its been an eye opener and ill stop being n00bish about it all and give people some apps to play with
12:46.52rm_youah yeah
12:46.58rm_youjust did an apt-cache search
12:46.59lardmandoes both kernel & sys logging
12:47.04X-Faderm_you: ksyslogd
12:47.12rm_yousysklogd
12:47.20lcukright, back to the grind for a few hours
12:47.26lcukcyas soon
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12:48.29X-Faderm_you: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/s/sysklogd/ :)
12:50.14X-Faderm_you: That is the SDK repo, not for end users but works for developers.
12:51.13rm_yousweet
12:51.28rm_youi got a copy of an strace when it crashed
12:51.40X-FadeBe sure not to fill up your rootfs with logs ;)
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12:52.56rm_youhttp://pastebin.ca/1042867
12:52.59rm_youanyone make sense of that?
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12:53.28lardmanhey ssvb
12:53.43SDuensinMorning!
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12:54.43lardmanis not fond of strace
12:55.02ssvbhi lardman
12:55.09lardmanssvb: how are things coming along with the colorspace converter?
12:55.42ssvblardman: not so smooth as I would like :)
12:56.05ssvblardman: looks like access to SDRAM memory from DSP is quite slow on 770
12:56.12lardmanI'm hopefully just finishing off the sbc encoder, and after that will come and lend you a hand
12:56.38lardmanssvb: yes, how many frames can you push before the DSP gets bored and resets?
12:56.40rm_youthe NEXT LINE if it had worked normally would have been "poll([{fd=10, events=POLLIN}, {fd=6, events=POLLIN}, {fd=5, events=POLLIN}], 3, 0) = 0"
12:56.44rm_youbut it segfaulted
12:56.49rm_youright after the close(15)
12:57.22rm_youwell, anyone have any other debugging tips for a statusbar applet that i can do ON the tablet?
12:57.38lardmanrm_you: fd=10,6,5 sound like likely segfault characters, perhaps
12:57.43ssvblardman: on the other hand, conversion done in DARAM or SARAM is extremely fast, only SDRAM is slowing down everything
12:57.44X-Faderm_you: Are you sure you want to poll on devices like this?
12:57.58rm_youi dont know that it's me doing that
12:58.05rm_youthat's just from the strace
12:58.09lardmanssvb: yeah, but the data has to be passed through SDRAM
12:58.15rm_youcomparing a normal strace to a broken strace
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12:58.30lardmanssvb: have you worked out any numbers for how slow/how many frames it might be able to do?
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12:59.56ssvblardman: it is possible to get only ~25MB/s bandwidth for copying SDRAM->SDRAM from DSP according to my benchmarks
13:00.32ssvblardman: that's with 32-bit memory access, 16-bit access is twice slower
13:01.00lardmana simple copy across needs ~12Mb/sec?
13:01.06lardmanfor 30fps 800x480
13:01.21ssvblardman: so looks like DSP is roughly 4x slower than ARM core when working with memory, that's not good at all
13:01.58lardmanbut it should be able to copy from MMU->DSP->MMU though within the 25Mb/sec
13:02.21ssvblardman: 640x480x12bpp * 30fps = ~14MB/s
13:03.14ssvblardman: and I'm still experimenting how much memory bandwidth is 'stolen' from ARM when DSP is extensively working with memory
13:03.49lardmanhave you looked at how often the DSP can be polled without reseting? That was the problem I was having
13:04.08lardman30x per sec was far too much for my code (doing ioctls)
13:04.37ssvblardman: cat /proc/omap_clocks shows that DSP MMU is working at half frequency on 770 if I understand it right
13:04.47lardmanbut then rewriting the code may overcome it, allowing the *_tctl fn to return more quickly
13:05.01lardmanssvb: I don't know, sorry
13:05.22ssvblardman: maybe it is possible to increase this frequency, don't know if it would be severe overclocking
13:06.08ssvblardman: in any case, with slow memory, getting DMA working to fetch/store data asynchronously is very important
13:06.14lardmanThe Nokias said they moved to using the ARM rather than DSP for video decoding as they couldn't push large frames fast enough
13:06.41ssvblardman: so data could be fetched to DARAM/SARAM, processed there and stored back
13:06.58rm_youhrm, may have fixed it... we'll see.
13:07.31lardmanssvb: doing iDCTs for example you mean?
13:07.37ssvblardman: yes, and DSP is rebooting occasionally
13:07.53ssvblardman: yes, IDCT or some high quality scaling
13:08.24lardmanssvb: XvMC (or whatever the new thing replacing it is called) - that sort of stuff might be usefully implemented
13:08.40ssvblardman: XvMC is a bad thing
13:08.47lardmanssvb: Why is that?
13:09.09lardmanssvb: wrt scaling, you'll still have the bandwidth issue trying to push the frame data in and out
13:09.13ssvblardman: generally what we want is XvMC but done right :)
13:09.29ssvblardman: it has some API limitations
13:10.16lardmanssvb: yes, hence the new thing Video Acceleration API (which doesn't seem to be used yet)
13:10.30lardmanssvb: but XvMC would be somewhere to start at least
13:10.45lardmanssvb: With applications able to use it, and therefore test if it works, etc
13:10.48ssvblardman: I want to implement a video accelerator specifically tuned for ffmpeg, without any extra bloat
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13:11.16rm_younope didn't fix it
13:11.22lardmanssvb: ok, sounds fair enough
13:11.50lardmanbbiam, got to pop to post office]
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13:21.39rm_youok well, good luck lardman|afk, lcuk I hope you pick a good license soon, gnight everyone else :P
13:24.54aquatixcya rm_you
13:26.39lardman~lart TheTrainLine
13:26.39infobotacting on orders from an unspecified client drags TheTrainLine into court suing for $200 million
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13:28.38lardmanssvb: Back to video colourspace/scaling
13:29.00lardmanssvb: I wonder how fast a private bluk transfer to the DSP would be
13:29.26lardmanssvb: I don't know how much overhead is incurred on the ARM side from such a write to the dsp device
13:29.43lardmans/bluk/bulk
13:29.53ssvblardman: what's private bulk transfer?
13:30.05lardmana way of transfering data without shared memory
13:30.22ssvblardman: I guess it would be a lot slower
13:30.33lardmanor did you work a way around the shared memory limit you were seeing?
13:30.51ssvblardman: if I understand it right, IPC buffer is in SDRAM
13:31.14lardmanI think so
13:31.15ssvblardman: my guess is that DSP memory bus is slow on 770
13:32.55ssvblardman: 'clock.c' from 'mach-omap1' directory has the following coment: "DSPMMU_CK == DSP_CK  or  DSPMMU_CK == DSP_CK/2"
13:33.11AnunakinAny knows how to use r&d mode ?
13:33.30lardmanssvb: So perhaps whoever wrote the code didn't know
13:33.39ssvblardman: on 770 DSPMMU seems to run at half frequency, I wonder if it is possible to make it run at full frequency
13:33.39lardmanssvb: or it's a stability issue
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13:34.11lardmanAnunakin: maemo.org search for "flasher"
13:34.39ssvblardman: yes, maybe that's one more tradeoff of using speed-selected chips, maybe memory bus had to be sacrificed to make it run at 252MHz
13:34.48ssvblardman: but that's only a guess
13:35.39ssvblardman: I did not benchmark N8x0 yet, maybe it can work faster with SDRAM
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13:38.46ssvblardman: in any case, from the performance point of view, you should always read/write data as 32-bit values when accessing SDRAM
13:39.36lardmanhmm, that's certainly interesting as then there's the annoying endianness problem to deal with
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13:43.14ssvblardman: the trick may be to bulk copy data to internal static memory and work with it there and after you are done - write back, it may be faster than working with SDRAM directly
13:44.51lardmanbulk copy won't have any advantages over shared memory as it also places the data in SDRAM iirc
13:45.32lardmanbut certainly doing 32bit accesses/copies from SDRAM to faster SRAM and then accessing in 16bit chunks might be worth a look if needed
13:46.52ssvblardman: that's exactly what I tried to suggest
13:47.13lardmanah, sorry, my fault
13:47.34lardmansaw bulk and thought of transfer from ARM->DSP
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13:48.44guenther_sighs "how annoying"
13:50.23guenther_hrm, where did the recover command go?
13:50.40ssvblardman: right now for YV12->YUV420 conversion less than 3 cycles are required for each pixel when working in SARAM and ~2.2 cycles when working in DARAM, having data copied SDRAM->DARAM and DARAM->SDRAM increases this time to ~16 cycles, so almost all the overhead is introduced by reading/writing SDRAM memory
13:51.30ssvblardman: if I use the same conversion code directly on SDRAM, it is much slower (because of having 16-bit memory accesses)
13:52.03lardmanCool, is your code in the mplayer svn tree?
13:52.47ssvblardman: so either the code needs to be changed to work with 32-bit memory reads/writes only dealing with endian issues, or the data should be processed in internal memory
13:53.12ssvblardman: the second approach theoretically is optimal if we manage to get DMA work properly
13:53.33lardmandealing with endianness issues is not a big problem, just confusing
13:53.35ido--how do i extract a .deb file ?
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13:54.00ssvblardman: it is not in mplayer repository yet, because I'm still experimenting with DMA (unsuccessfully so far)
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13:54.32dospodhello
13:56.22ido--how do i see all my currently install apt packages ?
13:56.59guentherah, finally :)
13:57.19aquatixido--: i think there's a dpkg switch for that
13:57.28ido--which one ?
13:57.52aquatixdpkg --get-selections
13:58.03aquatixi think that's the one
13:58.27lardmanhow do I find who has registered a web name?
13:58.33lardmanweb address evebn
13:58.43aquatixlardman: whois blah.tld ?
13:58.45aquatix:)
13:59.07lardmanthat's the one, thanks
13:59.13aquatixsure thing
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14:11.21herwoodhi
14:11.33herwoodhas anybody ever used object push?
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14:38.43dospodhey
14:41.16dnearyhi all
14:42.18dospodhey
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14:46.43manyosowhere can i find the source or the modifications made to Qt that went into the packages at http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/ ?
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14:46.51manyosoanyone familiar with this project?
14:47.04X-Fademanyoso: In their svn repo.
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14:50.07manyosobrowsing the svn repo... it looks like it just contains the sources for the website...
14:50.11manyosonot the packages
14:50.16hrwhi
14:51.00manyosohttps://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/?root=qt4
14:51.11manyosoperhaps the view is messed up
14:51.29manyosobut i can see changes to the website via that service...
14:53.23DekaritaeI have installed VIM, but it does not appear in the application menu
14:54.32mgedminDekaritae: it's a command-line app
14:54.41mgedminopen xterm and type 'vim'
14:55.45DekaritaeAh, oki
14:56.00DekaritaeRecommend a non-command-line editor?
14:56.16mgedmingvim ;)
14:56.24mgedminbut there's no maemo version yet
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15:04.38jottmanyoso: it looks like the svn is messed up atm, just fetch the source from the repository (or do something like dget -x http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/dists/chinook/user/source/qt4-4.4.0/qt4-x11_4.4.0-osso1.dsc )
15:05.26dospodis there a reason it seems the community fell off?
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15:07.43manyosoalright, i'll try
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15:11.00hrwI had gvim under maemo but it had some problems which I did not had time to debug
15:12.14aquatixfullscreen terminal -> vim
15:12.18aquatixenough for me ;)
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15:16.48Dekaritaedospod: Maturity
15:17.24DekaritaeThe big applications niches are fill
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15:20.13dospodIm still waiting for a snes emulator for os 2008 :\
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15:20.38DekaritaeDo not wait
15:20.46DekaritaeThere is SNES emulator for GBA
15:21.23DekaritaeAnd NES emulator for SNES crazy
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15:22.44aquatixand there's that upcoming OSS gaming handheld
15:23.41DekaritaePandora yes I'm sure we will see that
15:23.48jottand there is a gba emulator for palm so you could go  garnetvm->gba->snes for maximum performance ;)
15:23.59aquatixjott: ooooh
15:24.05aquatixinstalls that setup
15:24.25DekaritaeLJP does not emulate GBA, and Firestorm runs < 4 FPS on 400mhz+ hardware
15:24.39DekaritaeAggressively unoptimized
15:25.14DekaritaeLJP for Palm does do SNES quite well
15:25.48DekaritaeYou find it here
15:25.49Dekaritaehttp://www.metaviewsoft.de/en/index.html
15:26.57dospodIts sad how much intrests I have lost for my n800
15:27.22DekaritaeIs typical male reaction
15:27.33DekaritaeNot be happy with what you have, want what you can't
15:27.55DekaritaeWas not happy with Zodiac, got N800
15:28.03DekaritaeWhen not happy with N800, get iPod Touch
15:28.24DekaritaeEventually I get OQO+
15:28.29DekaritaeAnd still not be happy
15:28.45aquatixyou replaced N800 with a Touch? weirdo ;)
15:29.01DekaritaeNot yet. Still happy with N800
15:29.04aquatixis happy with his n810/sony ericsson m600i combo
15:29.09aquatixah, ok :)
15:29.15hrwbye guys
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15:30.48dospodIf the gba emulation has gotten faster since the last time I had my n800
15:30.53dospodit may spark intrest again
15:32.17johnxit seemed pretty nice when I tried it on ff tactics
15:32.19DekaritaeI have DS, no desire for emulatoring on N800
15:32.27DekaritaeFlash games, there is the plus
15:33.22dospodI have a ds too but no gba carts anymore
15:33.38johnxI hate flash so much...
15:34.08DekaritaePlaying with Flash VNC client
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15:48.45pupnikanybody want to work on DrPocketSNES, it's not too hard - i have it loading roms now
15:48.59pupniki'll finish it evtly
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16:33.12manyosojott: the svn for Qt4 matches what i see on the website
16:33.23manyosoit just contains the source for the website
16:33.29manyosono code for Qt4
16:33.46manyosois this code not available?
16:34.13Proteoussorry, I ate it
16:34.18ProteousI was hungry :/
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16:47.16dnearyGeneralAntilles: Ping?
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16:47.24dnearyDo you know how the RSS works on the new wiki?
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17:41.41CrashandDie`hey, what's the command again to create a .deb from the .diff.gz .tar.gz and desc files ?
17:42.26johnxI do it in two steps: dpkg-source -x foo.dsc
17:42.38johnxthen cd into the dir it creats, and type dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
17:42.43johnxmaybe there's a faster way?
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17:44.27CrashandDie`johnx, no, that's the one, thanks :)
17:44.36johnxsure :)
17:44.42lcuk2fastest way i would know if to "open irc, ask people how to do it, blindly follow options, reflash device, curse irc, read the manual, do what crash said ;"
17:45.29CrashandDie`lcuk2, I've ported a few apps, I just forgot the name of the commands... And bash_history won't go as far...
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17:46.41CrashandDie`anyway, off to celebrate end of (written) exams, and the fact I managed to sell my house :D Cheers
17:46.42lcuk2i know :P its great in here, im constantly surprised by how professional and helpful most folks are
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17:46.47summatusmentisGeneralAntilles: this boxwave screen protector is impossible to get off of the sticky plastic sheet it's attached to
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17:47.09lardmanWhere's qwerty when you want him?
17:47.21CrashandDie`lcuk2, I think it has to do with the fact most people actually bought this device to be part of the community... As in, we paid money, so we're not here to fool around
17:47.26lcuk2paper-round?
17:47.34lardmanlcuk2: :)
17:47.38CrashandDie`lcuk2, different from say, #ubuntu, where you can just f* people over for free
17:47.40lcuk2lol
17:47.50RST38h"Brian just said it smells like a San Francisco bus in here. I agree. Its a mixture of sweat, urine, desperation, more urine, just a little feces, saliva, Apple fever, bald dudes, a cupful more of urine, and urine." -- straight from WWDC
17:47.57johnxCrashandDie`, speak for yourself, I'm just here to fool around :P
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17:48.13johnxRST38h, so you're watching giz as well? :P
17:48.29CrashandDiejohnx, bleh, you devil
17:48.41lcuk2crash - i agree that we paid for the device, the community was an extra - i wasnt aware of any of this before i got the device and i didnt use you lot as a buying decision
17:49.24lcuk2(though nowadays i cant talk about this device and what i do without mentioning how great you all are :D
17:49.36RST38hjohnx: Just came home and browsing the feed to figure out what is going on
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17:50.01CrashandDielcuk2, agreed, I'm not really that active within the community, but still, I think no one in here is actually someone who just happen to stroll in by accident, and is a stupid troll
17:50.23johnxCrashandDie, just spend more time here...
17:50.31DekaritaeI'm a troll
17:50.35CrashandDiejohnx, I have a life :P
17:50.36johnxbut by and large, the community here is quite nice
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17:50.48DekaritaeIn the ah, Pratchett sense
17:51.03CrashandDiejohnx, no, but really, I've had an insane year, I promise, I'll try to be more active once I settle down on my own, and with my new job and such
17:51.20johnxah, what I mean is, we get random wandering trolls sometimes
17:51.40lcuk2i was impressed by the "maemo" troll guy.
17:51.49CrashandDieanyway, running late, cheers !
17:52.01lcuk2have fun
17:52.05johnx'later
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17:52.44lcuk2lardman, another round of bluetooth testing then
17:54.36mgedminhands a toothbrush to lcuk2
17:55.09lcuk2:D i remember those blue dye pills from school :D
17:55.36RST38h25000 applied for Apple development program and 4000 were accepted
17:56.02RST38hThat is a whopping 16% acceptance rate
17:56.33lcuk2the other 84% had media players
17:57.15lardmanlcuk2: I think I fixed the segfault for 3.32
17:57.34lardman3.20 is still failing, but probably something to do with my backporting
17:57.40RST38hlcuk: Or emulators. Or Java VMs.
17:57.43johnxor interpreted languages, emulators, daemons, apps that "took too much bandwidth", something that competed with apple
17:58.37fnordianslipi'd like to build a custom kernel with AX.25 support enabled, but I've never built a Linux kernel before.  Do I really have to edit the .config file by hand (as described in the maemo wiki) or is there an easier way?
17:59.06mgedminfnordianslip: make menuconfig
17:59.11mgedminor make xconfig
17:59.11lcuk2lardman :D as always, once you stabilise one you might find out why the backport isnt working
17:59.26lardmanfnordianslip: editing by hand is easier than using the gui imo ;)
17:59.27fnordianslipdoes that work in sb2 ? it doesn't seem to for me.
17:59.30mgedminI believe editing the config file by hand is frowned upon
17:59.50fnordianslipfrowned on by me, for sure ;-(
17:59.53mgedminor at least you need to run some tool to check for dependencies between kernel options
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18:00.10mgedmin"works in sb2?" dunno, why bother?
18:00.13mgedminrun it outside sb2
18:00.20fnordianslipwonder if anyone more proficient fancies knocking one out for me ???
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18:00.46mgedminwhat's AX.25?
18:01.05mgedminham radio?
18:01.09fnordianslipit's a Layer 2 protocol used by radio hams - I R 1
18:01.24lardmanfnordianslip: why doens't it work?
18:01.49fnordianslipnot enabled by default on maemo - it is on Ubutu for example
18:01.58fnordianslipUbuntu, even
18:02.23lardmaninside scratchbox do "ARCH=arm make menuconfig" iirc
18:02.31lardmanassuming that's the right arch of course
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18:03.03fnordiansliplards - cheers, I'll try that
18:03.41mgedminyou'll need ncurses installed, which, I *think* is not in there by default
18:03.43mgedminI might be wrong
18:03.43lardmanfnordianslip: make sure you do the other pre-cursor stuff, like make sure the right .config is in the right place etc
18:03.59lardmanmgedmin: I think it is, I'm pretty sure I've done make menuconfig
18:04.10lardmanmight have installed it myself of course :)
18:04.46fnordianslipi think you're right...will try adding ncurses to sb
18:05.00lardmanapt-get install ncurses
18:05.14CrashandDiemake menuconfig
18:05.18CrashandDiesh: make: command not found
18:05.50fnordianslipmake not found ?
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18:06.12mgedminlcuk2: remember the discussion about simulating multitouch on maemo?
18:06.32mgedminhere's a perl script that sort of does that on laptops with a synaptics touchpad: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/library/os-touchpad/
18:06.34lcuk2yes
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18:06.51mgedminit's simplere here because the hardware gives you the number of fingers (1/2/3) as well as the center point
18:06.52lcuk2i was just re-talking about it last night with kot, ive got notes
18:10.58lcuk2hmmm
18:11.02lcuk2runs off to his lab
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18:11.37lcuk2thanks mgedmin, just reading has given me and idea (and a hundred problems to overcome)
18:12.06mgedminheh
18:12.23mgedminI'm now thinking it's not as useful as it seemed
18:12.31mgedminthis is more of a gesture recognition than true multitouch
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18:15.13lcuk2isnt that what 99% of multitouch is though ;)
18:16.12RST38heven having gesture recognition api on Maemo would be nice
18:16.52RST38hPersonally, I do not care whether a map will react to pulling it apart with two fingers or circling a spot with one finger
18:17.40MangoFusionwould be nice if there was multitouch with the onscreen keyboard ;)
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18:18.57summatusmentis... we're gonna get to be iPhone owners, w/out the iPhone?
18:22.44lcuk2MangoFusion, my keyboard is multitouch capable :) (at least i can press ctrl and c together ;) )
18:23.16lcuk2its also backlit ;)
18:23.45tank-manoh yea, i got two full size sdhc slots :P
18:24.14MangoFusionlcuk2: n810?
18:24.25lcuk2knew he shouldv stayed out of this pissing contest. but at least i can (eventually) find my way home
18:25.11lcuk2yer - ive only seen the OSK a couple of times, and thought "how quant" (with a scottish accent)
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18:26.52johnxheh
18:27.09johnxI've actually started to like it
18:27.24summatusmentis...
18:27.33lcuk2the more scratches i get on my screen the more i try not to touch it and leave grease there
18:27.36summatusmentisyou like it?
18:27.37johnxonly downside is it takes up the whole screen
18:28.00johnxyeah...there's no real problem with it, except for xterm use
18:28.15lcuk2get a second 800
18:28.16lardmanor any other use when you need to type
18:28.30lardmandoesn't like it much you can see
18:28.32lcuk2infact, i think i once pondered using my old pda as a fullscreen kb for my nokia
18:28.35johnxit's fine for email, or forums, or notes, or web addresses
18:28.46lardmanhw kb is much nicer
18:28.49lardmanimo
18:28.57johnxto a certain extent
18:29.00lcuk2hw keyboard is great, but not configurable
18:29.10johnxI'd be interested in a speed comparison though
18:29.15lcuk2the ability of osk to show you what you need is great
18:29.34johnxI feel faster on the thumb osk than on my zaurus's hardware keyboard with two thumbs
18:29.58lcuk2i touchtype on my little kb (well more hunt and peck)
18:30.37dnearyAnyone know how to change the CSS file for MediaWiki?
18:30.46dnearyI assume it's not in the wiki somewhere :)
18:30.53dnearyHi lcuk2
18:30.54summatusmentisthe OSK isn't bad... works well enough
18:31.05dnearyI see you're famous :) Nice demo video
18:31.14lcuk2hi dave :) found your flickr page today and spotted myself
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18:31.51lcuk2well some woman did stop me today and ask for my autograph, shame she was a traffic warden
18:32.06johnxplays a rimshot
18:32.53lcuk2lol
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18:33.19MangoFusioniphone 3g. woo
18:33.20lcuk2ive gotta somehow now get all the rest built into a proper app
18:35.35lcuk2omg, the goggles, they do nothing   http://www.planetdan.net/pics/misc/drunktyping.jpg
18:37.29jaskahaha
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18:46.51MangoFusionnice princ
18:46.53MangoFusion*price
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18:53.55DekaritaeCan the 4-way selector be remapped from Enter to Spacebar in Microb?
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18:56.49summatusmentisMangoFusion: yeah, stll crappy gsm provider
18:57.20lcuk2and same low resolution screen  (npot that resolution changes are important)
18:57.40lcuk2is it possible to use a stylus with iphone?
18:57.52johnxnope
18:57.53lcuk2doesn't really wanna do fingerpainting
18:57.57johnxit's a capacitive screen
18:58.09lcuk2yer, low capacity :P
18:58.33johnxtheir answer to long running network services is rather clever though, I must admit
18:58.36johnxvery unixy
18:58.42summatusmentisI just put a screen protector on my n810, so i can use my fingers :)
18:59.02johnxI don't even worry with my n800
18:59.06lcuk2ive given up caring about scratches now (almost) ive got 2 big ones and loads of smaller ones
18:59.24lcuk2the first is always the worst
18:59.58lcuk2hang on, if you can get a phone for $199, are the pods getting even cheaper?
19:00.26johnxlcuk2, abandoning us? :P
19:01.06summatusmentislcuk2: one would hope so, wouldn't they?
19:01.11lcuk2not at all, i adore the display on my 810 and development model suits me :)
19:01.48RST38hA while ago, somebody suggested gcc options to turn on fpu acceleration via vfp. What were these?
19:01.48lcuk2but it would be good to have other devices around
19:02.16kulveRST38h: http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2008/05/17/gcc-options-and-floating-point/
19:02.24RST38hthanks!
19:02.50MangoFusionlcuk2: you can if you use a capacitive stylus
19:02.56MangoFusionfrom what i hear at least
19:03.01RST38hshould I use vfp / softfp?
19:03.06summatusmentisif I had an iPhone, I don't think I'd be using my n810 nearly as much
19:03.08lcuk2heh, ive got one right in front of me
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19:03.51MangoFusion$199? the ipod touch is £199 here. crazy
19:04.13lcuk2yer mango, they havent said how cheap it will be tho
19:04.25lcuk2you are comparing apples to ummmm old apples
19:05.23RST38h"Happy" old iPhone users should be biting their nails right about now
19:05.44lcuk2if theres a 6 week delay, just what is in all those crates brought over recently and filling up the stores...
19:05.56lcuk2hopes for an iNewton
19:06.10RST38hhopes for N10000
19:06.17fnordianslipmmmm ... apples
19:06.29ido--iphones suck, no BG processes...
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19:06.47fnordianslipbut, MacBook Pros are pretty cool
19:06.50RST38hI am not letting Steve Jobs sodomize me with a shiny iPlunger of his
19:06.54ido--and their SDK isn't that open, well, there's nothing like OSS linux..
19:06.56BlafaselYeah, but they are providing a 'solution' for bg stuff
19:06.57lcuk2theres more reasons why they suck, but they look good whilst they suck
19:07.10GeneralAntilles.Mac dead? :(
19:07.11Blafasellcuk2: Right, that's the main point ;)
19:07.13fnordiansliplike a blonde bimbo ?
19:07.18BlafaselGA: "Upgraded"
19:07.18ido--i got rid of my iphone a year ago
19:07.35ido--only thing i really miss was the touch screen
19:07.38GeneralAntillesAh, another iTools move
19:07.44GeneralAntillesAt least it didn't get more expensive again. :D
19:07.46RST38hGA: $99/year
19:07.51ido--and its sleek interface, and fast graphics
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19:08.14GeneralAntillesHey, milhouse.
19:08.17summatusmentisGeneralAntilles: you're in prime position to getnan iPhone... assuming you have $60/mo
19:08.30GeneralAntillesWhy would I want an iPhone? :P
19:08.32milhousehi GA
19:08.38GeneralAntillesIt's thicker than my Samsung.
19:08.46summatusmentislol, cuz they're sexy
19:08.48summatusmentisis it?
19:08.48lcuk2GeneralAntilles, to go in your iGadgetbelt
19:08.50RST38hIt is $199, you can buy one for your wife and pretend you are not using it!
19:08.57Blafaselhrhr
19:09.41RST38hSubject: Can't forget You
19:09.41RST38hLovin' You  http://83.11.237.153/
19:09.49RST38hWhat the hell is this spam?
19:09.59BlafaselNo idea. Use lynx and check it.
19:10.04Blafaselor wget
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19:12.19milhouseoohhhh the dutch are beating italy
19:12.26milhousequality goal
19:12.36milhousei'm off to watch the rest ta ta
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19:14.20summatusmentislcuk2: I'll be the reason it's cheaper than the ipods is subsidization
19:14.21lcuk2if i wanted to parse html what library would i use?
19:14.53lcuk2summatusmentis, probably
19:15.46summatusmentiss/be/bet/
19:16.01mgedminlibxml2 has an html parser
19:16.12mgedminof somewhat dubious quality
19:16.32mgedmin(it works, but I don't know if it's the best option for real-world broken HTML you find out there)
19:18.17lcuk2ive heard stuff about webkit, but everything ive seen says its objective c
19:18.26lcuk2its only for a "hmmm"
19:18.51mgedminworth a look, perhaps
19:18.59||cwwebkit is a renderer though isn't it?
19:19.12mgedminit's much more than just html parsing, yes
19:19.44mgedmin||cw: iirc, what lcuk2 wants is a library to parse html & do the layout, just without the output bit
19:19.57mgedminbecause I doubt there's one that renders to a YUV video image
19:20.04mgedminhm... the one used in webtv perhaps?
19:20.07||cwah
19:20.07lcuk2lol mg :) you are reading my mind
19:20.14mgedminlcuk2: we talked about this in rl!
19:20.21||cwso you want to render to an image file?
19:20.45mgedmin||cw, have you seen the youtube video of liqbase?
19:20.54||cwno
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19:20.59mgedminit's a must-see
19:21.00lcuk2yer i know, ||cw - no i want the DOM model so i can render it myself. incase you haven't seen i have a bit of a flashy rapid renderer for maemo
19:21.01mgedminlcuk2: url?
19:21.12lcuk2http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUPp_mE7rwI
19:21.31lcuk2was just digging it out ;)
19:22.04lcuk2it might not work at all, but its worth it as a POC
19:22.23lcuk2once i know that i can hand it over to someone else to make the most of
19:22.57mgedmintries to backronym 'POC'
19:23.07mgedminguesses proof-of-concept
19:23.18lcuk2yer
19:23.18mgedminwonders why he put those hyphens in there
19:23.49mgedminbye, all!
19:23.55lcuk2lol
19:24.13lcuk2i think thats the fastest exit ever
19:25.55||cwinteresting
19:27.09guentherdances in ecstasy
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19:36.11GeneralAntillessummatusmentis, you figure out the boxwave?
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19:37.19summatusmentisGeneralAntilles: yeah... I had pulled off the screen protector, and was trying to pull off the 'screen protector' from the plastic cover
19:37.23summatusmentis>_>
19:37.39GeneralAntillesHa
19:37.46summatusmentismy screen protector looks kinda dusty, but I can't get it to clean off, so I'm just gonna leave it
19:37.57GeneralAntillesDusty?
19:38.07GeneralAntillesLike, there's dusty between the protector and panel?
19:38.11GeneralAntillesOr the anti-glare finish?
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19:38.12summatusmentisyeah, like I let it sit too much
19:38.20summatusmentismight be both
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19:39.13summatusmentismore like there's dust between the protector and panel
19:39.25GeneralAntillesStill have my guide handy?
19:39.32summatusmentisyeah
19:39.32GeneralAntillesTake it off, wash it and reapply.
19:39.49summatusmentisI did, like, 4 times
19:40.22GeneralAntillesMove to a cleaner room. :P
19:40.26GeneralAntillesand work fast
19:40.30summatusmentisand then I got fed up, and left it :)
19:40.36summatusmentisit doesn't dry, which is the issue
19:41.14summatusmentisso I'm whipping this thing around, and by the time it's dry, there's dust again :)
19:41.27GeneralAntillesA little water wont hurt things.
19:41.31GeneralAntillesI applied mine wet
19:41.41GeneralAntillesJust shake it gently a couple times to get the big drops off and go for it
19:41.50GeneralAntillesthe excess will come out the edges and you can wipe it off.
19:42.15summatusmentiswell, I don't know if I can take the faceplate off
19:43.41summatusmentisis dust bad?if it bugs me, i could take the protector off later, and do it then right?
19:44.38GeneralAntillesIt wont hurt anything
19:44.42GeneralAntillesIt just pisses me off.
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19:45.32summatusmentisI'll deal w/ it, for a while
19:45.41summatusmentisthen if it's horrible, I'll fi it
19:45.44flo_lapre
19:45.45summatusmentisfix*
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19:47.06MangoFusionlcuk2: looks great. nice animation
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19:50.10lardmanqwerty12_N800: at last!
19:50.23qwerty12_N800hello lardman
19:50.38lardmanI think I may have fixed the segfault for the 3.32 code
19:50.55qwerty12_N800brilliant :)
19:51.13johnxall the fun stuff happens just as I head to bed :/
19:51.20qwerty12_N800(i can test sbcenc but my bluez is damaged :/)
19:51.24GeneralAntillesDoes ITVC work on Vista?
19:51.35lardmanqwerty12_N800: oh, what did you do?
19:52.11GeneralAntillesI guess yes.
19:52.13qwerty12_N800no idea, hcid crashes even when I connect in low quality mono mode :/
19:52.22qwerty12_N800^@lardman
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19:52.38lardmanhmm
19:52.40lardmannot idea
19:52.46lardmannot ideal even, and also no idea
19:53.01qwerty12_N800I'm reflashing tomorrow though
19:53.17qwerty12_N800(and reinstalling 3.32)
19:53.44lardmancool, no rush on my part, am trying to track down a segfault in the 3.20 code
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19:54.22qwerty12_N800sigh... admin password, pstools, halkiller = so much fun with school computers...
19:55.10johnxwas sys admin in highschool
19:55.25summatusmentisI helped the sysadmin in high school
19:55.37johnxI did for a year
19:55.38qwerty12_N800lets just say i'm an unofficial admin...
19:55.39johnxthen he left
19:55.58summatusmentisqwerty12_N800: admin requires being helpful :)
19:56.40qwerty12_N800summatusmentis, not me :p. i remote execed a virus on some comps...
19:57.01johnxyeah, you would have found your account not working so well if I was admin
19:57.38qwerty12_N800and i'd have fixed it ;)
19:58.02GeneralAntillesThen you'd end up suspended by the principle. ;)
19:58.04summatusmentisqwerty12_N800: how the hell do you get away w/ it?
19:58.17summatusmentisyou should have your ass kicked out :-P
19:58.21GeneralAntilles^
19:58.34johnxqwerty12_N800, I doubt it. I ran a pretty darn tight ship
19:58.56qwerty12_N800nah, i'm just too good, i've been excluded on some minor things but that's it
19:59.15summatusmentisqwerty12_N800: then your IT guy must be incompetent
19:59.22johnxyou would have gotten admin on a local windows box...but that doesn't count for anything
19:59.47summatusmentisjohnx: presumably there was another password somewhere :)
20:00.13summatusmentiswhich I assume qwerty12_N800 is saying he has
20:00.17qwerty12_N800would <3 the creator of pstools, halkiller & ophcrack if I could
20:00.31johnxqwerty12_N800 is not capable of <3
20:00.34GeneralAntillesAssholism is what it is.
20:00.46GeneralAntillesWhy do you feel the need to compulsively break shit?
20:01.04qwerty12_N800johnx, I can better than you :p
20:01.10qwerty12_N800can't help it
20:01.18GeneralAntillesSociopath
20:01.27johnxqwerty12_N800, can what better than me? put together sentences? :P
20:01.28lcuk2<qwerty12_N800> nah, i'm just too good, i've been excluded on some minor things but that's it              hmmm, what kind of things?   hacking the germany, french, brazillian and egyptian govt computers
20:01.37johnxGeneralAntilles, meh...as long as he's not my problem I don't care.
20:01.55qwerty12_N800is waiting for the computer asbo
20:02.05lcuk2if i was back at school i would reinstall microsoft bob
20:02.35summatusmentisif I was back at school, I'd just out a window...
20:02.39summatusmentisI hate high school
20:02.41lcuk2heh, actually i wonder if my software is still in use at college
20:02.47summatusmentiss/just/jump/
20:02.53summatusmentiss/hate/hated/
20:03.01KotCzarnywas reading about ms bob few days ago
20:03.06KotCzarnywith screenshots
20:03.07KotCzarny:)
20:03.14lcuk2i was staff: i wrote software to help stop scrotes like you from hiding in a corner hacking :P
20:03.33lcuk2(especially southern jessies :P )
20:04.02lcuk2mornin kot btw
20:04.12KotCzarnyhi lcuk
20:05.05lcuk2did u get to have a look last night
20:05.14lardmanlcuk2: oi! enough with the southern abuse!
20:05.20lardman;)
20:05.37KotCzarnyo.o
20:05.43lcuk2sorry simon, you are ok :P just
20:05.59lardmanlol
20:06.13lardmanonce you make an exception, it's all downhill from there
20:06.18lardman:D
20:07.50lcuk2its ok, ill never forget one time we were going to midlands visiting friends and stopped in the service station.  the entire place was filled with arsenel fans coming back from a game, my missus had a face like thunder and if we hadn't been so hungry she wouldv starting shouting man united songs at them (i think they had just lost or something to us..)
20:09.41lcuk2speaking of the better half, i better go and see if the footie has finished
20:09.46KotCzarny:)
20:10.04lardmannot a big Soccer fan
20:10.11lardmanor indeed a fan at all
20:10.19lcuk2why do you think im up here and not watching :)
20:10.28lardman:)
20:10.30KotCzarnyhttp://imagechan.net/img/5610/Mac%20OS/
20:10.32KotCzarnyo.O
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20:11.05lardmansmancke: hi
20:11.17lardmansmancke: did you get my email in the end?
20:11.19smanckehi lardman
20:11.34smanckeyes, bot no time to test it
20:11.38smancke... jet
20:11.50lardmansame here, but I'll get round to it eventually
20:12.02lcuk2:D w00t i have cold beer
20:12.05lardmanlet me know if you make any progress
20:12.05lcuk2ill be back later
20:12.10Blafasellcuk2: Cheers
20:12.13lardmanlcuk2: enjoy :)
20:12.46smanckeyes, of course, but I also would say, that I enjoied out chat at linuxtag ;-)
20:12.47KotCzarnyToday is the 30th birthday of the industry standard known as x86
20:12.49KotCzarnyo.O
20:13.21lardmansmancke: yes, well it will be interesting to see if anything can come of it
20:13.31lardmansmancke: :)
20:13.45lcuk_afkwonders who smancke is
20:13.59smanckeis Sebastian Mancke
20:14.08lardmanwas in the same session as me
20:14.42smanckeI'm mostly only listening in irc because of lacking time :(
20:14.46lcuk_afkahhh yes, now i recall
20:14.49Saviqhi all, do you guys know of any good app I could tweak my gpx files?
20:15.01lardmantime for a break
20:16.11lcuk_afksmancke, irc sucks too much time
20:16.18lcuk_afkhence me not being here now
20:16.52SaviqI have some gpx track files from a trip this weekend, and as I was walking around a city, the result is... somewhat crazy here and there, I would like to tweak some of the points, is there an app that would help me in that?
20:17.51smanckelcuk_afk, yes, assynchronous things, like blogs and mail are more easy to manage with a full shedule
20:18.43lcuk_afki see you have processing on openmoko, is it available for maemo?
20:18.50lcuk_afkits not that bad really
20:19.05smanckewell processing is pure java
20:19.12smanckeso, it also runs on maemo
20:19.22smanckebut the performance is bad ATM
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20:20.24lcuk_afkdamn
20:20.40smanckeProcessing was designed with desktop power in mind and is even slow on my ThinkPad
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20:21.34gourdinhi there
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20:21.36smanckefor good java2d performance we have port the OpenJDK Swing/AWT packages to classpath, which would be a big job :(
20:21.40lcuk_afksuch a shame really, software should be written to perform well on small devices :)
20:22.03gourdinmaemo:diablo.when() :)
20:22.20smanckeunfortunately especially much  java developers don't have that in mind
20:22.30BlafaselNah
20:22.38BlafaselJava on phones is quite common
20:22.48Blafasel(which are small devices in my book)
20:22.55smanckeJ2ME: yes; J2SE: no
20:22.56KotCzarny'java'
20:22.57TTilusespecially much of any other than embedded developers...
20:23.03KotCzarnyyeah
20:23.10Blafaselsmancke: I give you that ;)
20:23.21GeneralAntillesgourdin, the answer is the same everytime you ask it.
20:23.25GeneralAntilles"When it's ready."
20:23.40gourdinGeneralAntilles: nop, this isnew
20:23.59gourdinlast time i asked, t'was may, june
20:24.15smanckeBlafasel, my hope, that in 2-3  years even J2SE is very common on mobile devices!!
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20:24.33KotCzarnyyeah..
20:24.38lcuk_afktechnically dont the phones have java hardware though
20:24.40KotCzarnynot on s60 though
20:24.41KotCzarny:>
20:24.42lcuk_afkand us
20:24.55GeneralAntillesgourdin, it comes out when it's ready. Period.
20:25.02TTilustrying to get ssh connection into my n810, got sshd installed and it responds to $ ssh user@my.n810.ip.digits
20:25.12gourdinGeneralAntilles: ok, don't be rude
20:25.18TTilusbut whats the pw?
20:25.25BlafaselTTilus: Set it before.
20:25.26TTilusi don't remember ever setting one
20:25.29KotCzarnythe same you entered when installing
20:25.30Blafaselpasswd
20:25.30GeneralAntillesAll you do is ask about Diablo, and all I do is give you the same answer every time.
20:25.33GeneralAntillesIt gets old fast.
20:25.37KotCzarnyhow do you installed it?
20:25.52TTilusBlafasel: already tried, that says "cannot be changed"
20:25.55smanckefor S60, we will eventually port the jalimo package over, within this year, but I don;t know about the performance, yet.
20:26.19BlafaselTTilus: sudo gainroot and passwd user
20:26.32gourdinGeneralAntilles: i do this because the actual system isn't 'ready'
20:26.35gourdinso
20:26.40lcuk_afkTTilus, GeneralAntilles will change his nick to GeneralAntilles_Dialbo_is_here when its released :)  failing that you could sign yourself up to some sort of web rss feed to tell you when important maemo related news comes out.  not sure where you might find that though
20:26.48TTilusKotCzarny: i think its from maemo extras
20:27.01KotCzarnyttilus: apt-get or application manager?
20:27.05GeneralAntillesgourdin, if you want to know when Diablo is out, subscribe to the maemo.org news feed.
20:27.06gourdin:)
20:27.16lcuk_afkooops, sorry not TTilus i meant gourdin
20:27.24lcuk_afkand im going back afk now :P
20:27.33TTilussudo gainroot says "Enable RD mode if you want to break your device
20:27.36gourdinok, i'll check thnis, thx
20:27.44TTilusbut i do want to break it!
20:27.52unixSnobwonders what a good channel is to discuss laptops
20:27.55TTilushow do i turn it into "break it" mode  :D
20:27.56GeneralAntillesTTilus, nitapps.com
20:27.58GeneralAntillesInstall easyroot.
20:28.08gourdinlcuk_afk: ?
20:28.10TTilusuh, oh, okkkay
20:28.34TTilusKotCzarny: application manager
20:28.48KotCzarnyttilus, well, try reinstalling
20:28.58KotCzarnyit sure asked for setting root password
20:29.05TTilusKotCzarny: using application manager or apt?
20:29.10KotCzarnyapp man
20:29.14TTilusokay
20:29.24KotCzarnybut i guess apt way will ask too
20:29.37KotCzarny(because it runs the same postinstall script i guess)
20:29.45KotCzarny(or preinstall, whatever)
20:29.55gourdinGeneralAntilles: are you paid by nokia ?
20:30.28TTilusKotCzarny: there are openssh, -client and -server packages, which one or all of them (-server i guess, but)
20:30.57KotCzarnyif you install openssh meta package it iwll install both
20:31.26TTilusah, it was a metapackage
20:31.49TTilusthe size (8k) should have told it ;)
20:32.17KotCzarny:)
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20:37.01GeneralAntillesgourdin, no.
20:37.29gourdinok
20:39.24gourdindid nokia pay someone to support maemo ?
20:39.55TTilusKotCzarny: it just installed it, no questions asked :/
20:40.02KotCzarnyhmm
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20:40.20TTilusopenssh 1:4.7p1-2.maemo2
20:40.24GeneralAntillesgourdin, 100s and 100s of Nokia employees. . . .
20:40.41TTilusi think i'll try that easyroot
20:41.15GeneralAntillesTTilus, if it didn't prompt you for a password change, then the -server side of things wasn't installed.
20:42.04TTilusGeneralAntilles: i uninstalled -server and checked it disappeared from installed apps list, then i installed it again and now it is on the list
20:43.58TTilusGeneralAntilles: nitapps.com is not responding
20:44.22GeneralAntillesWorks here.
20:44.36TTilusdifferent version?
20:44.45GeneralAntillesOf nitapps.com?
20:45.00TTilusno, openssh, ive got 1:4.7p1-2.maemo2
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20:46.05TTilusweird, can't even get nitapps.com resolved
20:46.26TTilusGeneralAntilles: what's the ip?  i'll try to ping/trace it
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20:48.39KotCzarny24.16.99.151
20:51.21DekaritaeComment make me laugh
20:51.21Dekaritaehttp://www.maemo-apps.org/content/show.php/Maemo+Process+Viewer?content=50792
20:53.16TTilusping 24.16.99.151 - 100% packet loss
20:54.16BlafaselSame. Some idiot admin thought that icmp echo is dangerous
20:54.45TTilustrace goes tnnet->telenor->level3->comcast and dies to te-0-4-0-0-cr01.seattle.wa.ibone.comcast.net
20:55.07KotCzarnysite load though
20:55.17TTiluslast responding hop to me is 68.85.240.69
20:55.19BlafaselSo that's no indicator for a problem. The site works
20:55.37TTilus..but not for me  :-/
20:55.43BlafaselIn other words: You cannot use ping for diagnostics
20:55.57KotCzarnyttilus, use some anonymous proxy
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20:56.53TTilushah, http://24.16.99.151/ says "Hello"
20:58.18BlafaselTTilus: If that works I don't see your problem?
20:58.31Blafaselnitapps.com doesn't resolve?
20:58.41KotCzarnyadd to /etc/hosts
20:58.42KotCzarny:)
20:58.44BlafaselYou could add it to your hosts file
20:58.46BlafaselHrmpf
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20:59.01TTilushum, ill try hosts
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21:11.29TTilushosts worked ... and i've got root access to my tablet
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21:30.29lardmanspots school-boy errors in his Bluez backport
21:31.32GeneralAntillesraps lardman's knuckles with a yard-stck.
21:32.11lardmancan luckily type with his toes ;p
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21:38.08RST38hSo, any bets on whether the $199 iPhone will be the new RAZR? =)
21:38.36GeneralAntillesDoubtful
21:38.42GeneralAntillesRAZR's were free
21:39.01RST38hRAZR also started at $200
21:39.25RST38hEven in the US, if I remember correctly
21:39.55GeneralAntillesDon't think so
21:40.01GeneralAntillesIt was higher than that initially.
21:40.03lcukim tempted to think it will be a great gaming system, but lack of buttons means its original hook only has so many uses (even the wii mote has a dpad)
21:40.23GeneralAntillesHow can it be a great gaming system with no buttons? O_o
21:40.33lcuktilt
21:40.50GeneralAntillesHours upon hours of marble madness?
21:40.59RST38hN810 also has no buttons
21:41.06GeneralAntillesIt has a keyboard
21:41.21GeneralAntillesAll the buttons in the world
21:41.28RST38hYou can't play with that keyboard - it is terribly balanced and the dpad sucks
21:41.43lcuk51 usable buttons
21:41.47GeneralAntillesBesides, I wouldn't call it a great gaming machine, either. :P
21:42.20lcukunless i miscounted
21:42.37lcuklardman, tsk tsk at errors. F-
21:43.09GeneralAntillesCan I talk some people into working through these articles? http://wiki.maemo.org/Category:Midgard_wiki
21:43.12MangoFusionrazr was complete shit developer-wise compared to the iphone
21:43.27GeneralAntillesGet the syntax inline with mediawiki, update and revise, etc.
21:43.34RST38hWell, Razr was never supposed to be developed for
21:43.50MangoFusionexactly ;)
21:44.14RST38hiPhone also was never supposed to be developed for though
21:44.44MangoFusionwell they did start off with saying "you can write stuff for the web browser"
21:45.07MangoFusionwhich if you compare it with the razr's, well... enough said ;)
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21:45.48GeneralAntillesThe iPhone isn't shitty enough to be the next RAZR
21:48.12RST38hYou can't write stuff for the web browser
21:48.33RST38hHey, RAZR became RAZR on the basis of its design
21:48.47RST38hIt was sturdid, looked cool for the time, and did the job
21:49.54pupnikARRRGH
21:50.11KotCzarnyhi pupnik
21:50.13pupnikwhich part of the n8x0 charger plug is positive?  inside or outside?
21:50.19RST38hheheh
21:50.21pupnikgreets
21:50.30KotCzarnyprobably inside
21:50.36RST38hno little picture on the power supply?
21:50.37KotCzarnybut use a voltimeter
21:50.42KotCzarnyrst: nope
21:50.49RST38hor an led+resistor
21:50.54KotCzarnyit's NOKIA
21:50.59pupnikmy cable ripped off
21:51.01pupniki can't measure it
21:51.05RST38hlemme check
21:51.10pupnikTHANK YOU!
21:51.11KotCzarnythey don't include the picture even on phone chargers
21:52.07RST38hnope, no picture =(
21:52.19GeneralAntillesAnybody have an opinion on whether MAG should go on the front page under Community here? http://wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page
21:52.25KotCzarnyk, i'll get a voltimeter
21:53.10RST38hI recently recieved a 'broken' iRiver H120 from my brother. He had been charging it with a Nokia charger.
21:53.10RST38hI've looked into the spec of the Nokia charger and the polarity is the same as iRiver charger (center positive).
21:53.11RST38hThe difference is the voltage and current, both less than the proper charger.
21:53.16RST38hhere
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21:54.05pupnikok
21:54.23pupniklooking to verify that tho - hopefully kotc finds his meter
21:54.36lcukwonders how many other commercial apps there are out there
21:54.52GeneralAntillesIn general? Lots. :P
21:54.53RST38hfor Maemo?
21:54.58lcukyer
21:55.04RST38hnot a lot
21:55.07GeneralAntillesAbout 4
21:55.09GeneralAntillesMaybe 3
21:55.19RST38hbut a lot of academic stuff - maemo makes a very good research platform
21:55.30RST38hjust look at your own work =)
21:55.55lcukyes and thats what is weighing heavily on my mind, im thinking beyond this platform
21:56.16RST38hthere isn'tmuch beyond this platform for now
21:56.28lcukyou must have your eyes closed then :)
21:56.43RST38hyou will have to wait for 6-12 months until other touch-based devices start appearing
21:56.54RST38hlcuk: Well, let us see what is available
21:57.21RST38hThere is ASUS EEEh and its clones. These are normal laptops, just small ones
21:57.32RST38hNothing to touch in general
21:57.49RST38hThere is iPhone. But its development is kinda closed.
21:57.57lcukwhat about the whole smart phone devices?
21:58.06lcukfull s60 stack etc
21:58.12RST38hThere is Moblin, but it only works on the samsung UMPC, a beast
21:58.26RST38hOk, I was going to get to those in a moment
21:58.32lcukthe "other" n series devices which get all the love
21:58.50RST38hLet us get WinMobile out of the way first mostly because developing for it is torture
21:59.02RST38hWe have got S60 and UIQ devices left
21:59.06lcuki know that - i have done it
21:59.10RST38hCurrent S60 devices have no touch screen
21:59.25KotCzarnyyeah
21:59.28KotCzarny+ inside
21:59.30RST38hWhich leaves you with UIQ devices. UIQ actually has a very nice SDK
21:59.33KotCzarny- on the outside
21:59.36KotCzarny6.24V
21:59.36RST38hBetter than S60
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22:00.07RST38hToo bad most UIQ firmwares are buggy like hell and SE does not try marketing its UIQ devices well enough
22:00.55pupnikthanks a lot KotCzarny
22:01.00KotCzarnynods
22:01.14RST38hlcuk: So, back to square one - unless you want to try your luck with a UIQ phone, have to wait
22:01.24lcukpupnik, you are aware you should keep nokia power supplies away from body parts :P its much simpler to be refreshed by a drink
22:02.57lcuki never left square one, i was musing about other platforms, you've added a couple of specifics but i was thinking in general
22:03.15lcukwe have had touch devices now for years
22:03.39lcukthey are sold every day and software has to be written for them - things like nav systems etc
22:04.55lcuktheres all the archos devices and other media players..
22:05.04KotCzarnyarchos.. *shrugs*
22:05.22KotCzarnyclosed as hell
22:05.25lcukwe are certainly not an island - im just wondering why we have little commercial software here is all :)
22:05.43lardmanbecause it can be done with open source
22:05.55lardmanand because the community are savvy enough to do it if they want it
22:06.10lcukbut commercial != closed source
22:06.17lardmanif the reach of the device broadens, then we may see commercial as they can't be bothered/are not able
22:06.48lardmanlcuk: go back to savvy, if it's open, it will be compiled, we don't yet need hands holding
22:07.03lcukwe dont, but users do
22:07.22lardmaneven the users are pretty technologically minded
22:08.04lcuki could never see my missus using apt or knowing about repos and stuff - thats why the .install files work
22:08.27lardmanof course, they are great
22:08.37lcukim only pondering cos i saw a single piece of commercial closed sw ;)
22:08.43lardmanthey save time, which is a wonderful thing in my book
22:08.58lardmanlcuk: what was that? Wifi stuff?
22:09.07lcukyer - like me, i bought this device cos i needed something to get my teeth into :)
22:09.53lcukactually, it might not even have been commercial - it was closed lol but from a symbian developer
22:10.46RST38hwhy no commercial software for tablets?
22:10.47lcuki went reading round their site and seeing what they do, and lots of sw is like pda style - you buy what you need to save time
22:10.59RST38hwell, because there is no market: the userbase is small
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22:11.09lardmanand the userbase doens't want commercial
22:11.21lcukbut what about maps?
22:11.25RST38hconsidered releasing his emulators on Maemo for a fee but decided against it
22:11.47lcuki know we have routed round the problem with maemo-mapper, but it still exists and the buy now wasnt put there for nothing
22:11.49pupnikwow, with my different 5.0 v source, the n810 boots when i plug it in, then it makes a sad beep and says "not charging"
22:12.01RST38hNot enough potential buyers to justify it, better use the platform to debug new features
22:12.23lardmanlcuk: maps is not a big thing for me, the osm stuff is pretty good
22:12.41RST38hlcuk: Well, the builtin mapping app is a lemon
22:12.43lcuki could have done with maemomapper in germany ;)
22:12.54RST38hlcuk: Just ignore it, easier this way
22:13.00pupnikhow are your feet healing lcuk?
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22:13.25lcukvery well thanks pupnik :) though i now have urges to randomly wander the streets
22:13.29lardmanlcuk: before the days of agsp, so would have taken you as long to get a lock as to trawl every bar & restaurant looking for us ;)
22:13.38lardmans/agsp/agps
22:13.39RST38hAs to general map availability, there are maps from commercial packages available on the net, just need to parse them
22:13.53RST38hlcuk: what happened with your feet? =)
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22:14.05lcukshoes at end of life
22:14.13RST38hah
22:14.14lcuknewish as well, only a couple of months old
22:16.17RST38hall right, sleep
22:16.22KotCzarnypupnik: try 6.24V source?
22:16.24lcukgnite rst
22:16.32lardmanaaargh, why are my values changing enroute from DSP to ARM?
22:16.36KotCzarnyor maybe this charger does some magic
22:16.38RST38htwo more work days and a long weekend
22:16.55KotCzarnylardman: endiannes?
22:17.15lardmanKotCzarny: nah, dealing with 16bit values, plus the values coming out don't look like that
22:17.36lcukwhat are you doing to move the data? writing to normal memory from your onchip dsp buffer?
22:17.36KotCzarnyundocumented ops?
22:17.47pupnikKotCzarny: that's what you measured?
22:17.56KotCzarnypupnik: yeah
22:18.02KotCzarnybut may be 5V under load etc
22:18.10pupnikCause i have 5.7 sitting here, measures 6.15 without load
22:18.14lardmanprobably an error on my part, but I can't see it
22:18.15pupnikthe 5.0 must have been too low
22:18.16pupnikthanks
22:18.27pupnikbbl
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22:30.46GeneralAntillesbeats his head against mediawiki tables.
22:38.06lardmanjoins in with the head hitting
22:38.14KotCzarnyleans back
22:38.19KotCzarnymore blood!
22:39.20Mouseyuh
22:39.38lardmanI can't see it, I feel like crying
22:39.48lardmanor beating my computer to a pulp :)
22:40.09Mouseysenses windows users
22:40.26lardmanMousey: feels like that, but no, it's a dsp
22:40.53Mouseythe sound kind?
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22:41.03Mouseyor just random signals from outer space
22:41.07lardmanwell whatever you give it really, but in this case yes
22:41.15lardmansbc to be exact
22:41.42GeneralAntillesThe mediawiki help pages pretty much suck ass.
22:41.48Mouseyskims the scrollback and decides he's teh wrong mouse for the job
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22:56.22CrashandDieWhy is it I can't find x-chat for OS2008 ???
22:56.33GeneralAntilleshttp://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/
22:56.33CrashandDieAnd when the hell is diablo going to be released ?
22:56.38GeneralAntillesWhen it's ready.
22:56.49CrashandDieyeah, that, I know
22:57.05CrashandDiebut that's a bit like saying "After rain there will be sunshine"
22:57.10shaprHas anyone done anything to get the NITs and the OLPC XO to work together at all?
22:57.12CrashandDieJust say "we don't know"
22:57.26GeneralAntillesWe do know, though, and that answer is "when it's ready"
22:57.26CrashandDiethanks for the link though
22:57.36GeneralAntillesWhich will be sometime within the next 2 weeks to 2 months
22:58.36CrashandDiewell that's an answer
22:58.37GeneralAntilles~lart mediawiki
22:58.37infobotflings poo at mediawiki
22:59.06CrashandDie"Between this and september"... At least that gives some kind of timeframe
22:59.07GeneralAntillesThanks, infobot!
22:59.24GeneralAntillesAugust at the outside
22:59.27GeneralAntillesNot September
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23:00.35lardmannight all
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23:17.14AnunakinAny using diablo?
23:18.16GeneralAntillesYo
23:20.52rm_youAny using OmniWeb?
23:22.30CrashandDieGeneralAntilles, that a remix between yes and no ?
23:23.22GeneralAntillesYo, rm_you! :P
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23:23.28GeneralAntillesSomething of an Americanism I guess
23:23.38rm_youYo yo, sup foo?
23:23.41rm_you:P
23:23.46rm_youGangsta
23:23.50GeneralAntillesNot really
23:23.54rm_youlool
23:23.59GeneralAntillesThough it's used in that context
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23:27.51acydlordG'day folks
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23:35.17summatusmentisGeneralAntilles: did you hear anything about Snow Leopard?
23:38.08GeneralAntillesOnly that it's the new codename
23:38.09timelyxbe careful around Finns
23:38.25GeneralAntillesHaven't gotten around to paying attention to the WWDC fallout.
23:38.35GeneralAntillesHi, timelyx.
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23:40.41rm_youtimelyx: going to work today? :P err... tomorrow I guess techinically? :P
23:41.13acydlordoh dear, i thought this would be one of the few safe places from all the wwdc talk
23:42.00GeneralAntillessummatusmentis, as good a summary as any: http://www.macrumors.com/2008/06/09/mac-os-x-snow-leopard-to-focus-on-performance-quality/
23:44.23timelyxrm_you: it's 2:45am
23:44.28timelyxso today technically
23:44.35timelyxand as long as i wake up, yeah i suppose so
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23:47.05rm_youtimelyx: lol
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23:50.17zen__hi
23:50.36GeneralAntillesX-Fade, ping
23:58.13GeneralAntillesX-Fade, just went ahead and filed an enhancement request.

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