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| 01:31.07 | Dekaritae | A matter of interest, the Wii web browser uses the Flash 7 plugin, same as Opera on Maemo |
| 01:31.28 | Dekaritae | So all the games on sites like wiiplayable.com should work fine |
| 01:31.37 | GAN800 | Only if you're talking really old Opera. |
| 01:32.25 | Dekaritae | To my knowledge there is no Flash 8 or 9 plugin for Linux |
| 01:32.37 | GAN800 | It's been Flash 9 since summer 2007 |
| 01:32.51 | GAN800 | Your knowledge is waaaay out of date. |
| 01:33.37 | GAN800 | Linux has had 9 for longer than that. |
| 01:34.16 | Dekaritae | Yay |
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| 01:43.29 | Anunakin | hi to all! |
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| 01:47.48 | summatusmentis | hi Anunakin |
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| 02:01.12 | summatusmentis | GAN800: you tether with a regular phone right? |
| 02:01.21 | summatusmentis | not some smartphone or something? |
| 02:01.28 | GAN800 | Samsung A717 |
| 02:01.34 | GAN800 | Thin, simple. |
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| 02:03.02 | summatusmentis | hmmm... I'm looking at the Sanyo S1 |
| 02:03.07 | summatusmentis | do you do any texting? |
| 02:03.54 | summatusmentis | bad reviews though :/ |
| 02:08.48 | lopz | hi |
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| 02:15.03 | GAN800 | Not a lot, summatusmentis |
| 02:15.20 | GAN800 | Mostly just call people or IM on the NITST |
| 02:15.30 | summatusmentis | I'll my internal flash is 80% forll O\__/O |
| 02:15.52 | GAN800 | er, NIT |
| 02:16.03 | GAN800 | Delete the 40MB of pdfs? |
| 02:16.04 | summatusmentis | s/forll/full/ |
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| 02:24.02 | chi800 | hi, do i need a new kernel or patch for usbcontrol to work? |
| 02:25.32 | chi800 | trying to connect usb kb |
| 02:25.32 | chi800 | usb icon shows, no device id in usbcontrol screen |
| 02:25.33 | GeneralAntilles | No, chi800. |
| 02:25.46 | chi800 | hm weird |
| 02:26.01 | Anunakin | U dont need a new kernew |
| 02:26.05 | Anunakin | kernl |
| 02:26.10 | Anunakin | opps |
| 02:26.13 | Anunakin | kernel |
| 02:26.17 | chi800 | this kb does have a caps lock light, is that a problem powerwise? |
| 02:26.26 | Anunakin | yes |
| 02:26.45 | chi800 | can i just take it out? |
| 02:26.51 | chi800 | the led? |
| 02:27.01 | Anunakin | Here I have same problem but the kb works |
| 02:27.17 | GeneralAntilles | A lot of USB keyboards need more than 100mA |
| 02:27.19 | Anunakin | I think yes |
| 02:27.35 | chi800 | i also get a no file sys found warning |
| 02:27.46 | GeneralAntilles | Ignore it |
| 02:27.46 | GeneralAntilles | meaningless |
| 02:27.49 | Anunakin | what file? |
| 02:27.51 | chi800 | ok |
| 02:28.00 | chi800 | not found |
| 02:28.07 | Anunakin | here mine not geting this error! |
| 02:28.54 | chi800 | do i need a reboot after installing usbcontrol, or does that not matter? |
| 02:29.03 | Anunakin | I thinking about sacrifice my USB cable ... turn it to a host USB cable... |
| 02:29.23 | Anunakin | no need reboot |
| 02:29.50 | Anunakin | this only change a flag at kernel/proc |
| 02:30.03 | Anunakin | not a module or other think |
| 02:30.20 | lcuk | chi, look for the fcc label on the underside of the keyboard, let us know the ma it requires |
| 02:30.48 | Anunakin | yes maybe your kb need more power then u nokia can give |
| 02:31.11 | chi800 | doesn't say, but i can look it up one sec |
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| 02:31.26 | Anunakin | try u kb with your nokia on power |
| 02:31.40 | lcuk | a 100ma is right on the limit and on my kb it kinda sorta worked until i did chording and i gave up :) bt FTW |
| 02:31.42 | GeneralAntilles | Anunakin, that wont change anything. |
| 02:31.51 | GeneralAntilles | Try it on a powered hub instead. ;) |
| 02:31.57 | GeneralAntilles | Anunakin, the 100mA is a kernel limit. |
| 02:32.02 | lcuk | hardware |
| 02:32.04 | Anunakin | ok |
| 02:32.22 | Anunakin | I remember this change on Zaurus... |
| 02:32.29 | GeneralAntilles | You could remove the limit |
| 02:32.32 | Anunakin | but is another kernel |
| 02:32.36 | GeneralAntilles | but no guarantees that your device wouldn't crap out. |
| 02:32.45 | Dekaritae | Has anyone built an overcharger for an N8x0 device? |
| 02:32.57 | Anunakin | can toast the USB too... without it |
| 02:33.36 | Anunakin | Man I using a powered USB HUB with 7 ports |
| 02:34.19 | Anunakin | My DVD-RW works only with it |
| 02:34.20 | GeneralAntilles | D-Link? |
| 02:34.26 | Anunakin | G&E |
| 02:35.48 | chi800 | can't find power specs anywhere, it's an adesso akb 210 |
| 02:36.24 | chi800 | would taking out the led reduce the power need? |
| 02:37.06 | lcuk | as long as the cabling is fine, about the only reasonable thing to try is a full battery out restart of all the hardware :) ive had the usb chip crash in the past, but if that then doesnt work the kb prob takes too much power to be usable |
| 02:37.26 | chi800 | ok |
| 02:37.30 | chi800 | here goes |
| 02:37.47 | lcuk | do you think i should have told him to shutdown first ... |
| 02:38.13 | lcuk | anyway, to bed |
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| 02:43.39 | chi800 | no luck with that, and the led is one of those tiny flat ones |
| 02:45.20 | Anunakin | Any knows if I can show the mouse cursor at maemo? |
| 02:46.32 | chi800 | doubt it |
| 02:48.00 | Dekaritae | What format does the library "book path" use in FBReader? |
| 02:48.20 | Dekaritae | I've tried specifying it as /media/mmc1/books and file:///media/mmc1/books |
| 02:49.53 | GeneralAntilles | It's weird about scanning |
| 02:49.56 | GeneralAntilles | I'd just add manually |
| 02:50.04 | GeneralAntilles | more convenient, since you can add metadata. |
| 02:50.14 | chi800 | add a / |
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| 02:51.51 | Dekaritae | I'm going to be automating updates the folder with Sunrise XP, so there won't be any manual involvement |
| 02:57.02 | Dekaritae | Ok the path is /media/mmc1/Library/ and it does not load from this folder |
| 02:57.27 | chi800 | the led blinks for a split second on plugging in, it's probably power, right? |
| 02:58.31 | GeneralAntilles | It'll blink when the display's off and it's plugged in |
| 02:58.34 | GeneralAntilles | Could be related to that. |
| 02:58.40 | GeneralAntilles | I turned that off a while ago, though. |
| 03:00.03 | chi800 | what happens if i cut one of the power pins? |
| 03:00.23 | chi800 | could it still work? |
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| 03:06.04 | chi800 | icon still shows up but nada id |
| 03:08.18 | Dekaritae | I am trying to update the "Operating System" in the Application Manager, and it tells me it can't because packages are missing. Specifically libglade2-0 libvte4 makedev and libvte-common |
| 03:08.49 | chi800 | should a wait bicon change to something else once i click host or after i connect/refresh? |
| 03:10.46 | GAN800 | Dekaritae, turn off red pill. |
| 03:10.51 | Dekaritae | What |
| 03:10.53 | GAN800 | That's not an update. |
| 03:11.08 | GAN800 | Just a good way to make your install unbootable. |
| 03:11.17 | Dekaritae | Explains? |
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| 03:11.48 | GAN800 | It installs coreutils == non-bootable. |
| 03:12.00 | Dekaritae | Why is it there |
| 03:12.10 | GAN800 | You turned on Red Pill. You should never see that package. |
| 03:12.18 | Dekaritae | I did not |
| 03:12.35 | GAN800 | You did, or you wouldn't see it. |
| 03:12.51 | Dekaritae | I purchase this device secondhand |
| 03:13.03 | Dekaritae | Assuming the prior owner did such |
| 03:13.05 | GeneralAntilles | OK, then the previous owner turned it on. |
| 03:13.10 | GeneralAntilles | Either way, it's on. ;) |
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| 03:13.32 | GeneralAntilles | To turn it off, add a new repository with url "matrix" and tap cancel |
| 03:13.34 | GeneralAntilles | then tap Blue |
| 03:13.37 | GeneralAntilles | and all will be well again. |
| 03:14.27 | Dekaritae | Okay |
| 03:14.38 | Dekaritae | Yes, that makes sense |
| 03:15.20 | GeneralAntilles | It's a meta-package either for the SDK or maybe SSU testing or something |
| 03:15.21 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno |
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| 03:47.24 | chi800 | can i associate mp3 files with canola? |
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| 04:10.47 | kulve | chi800: I guess you can edit the .desktop files in /usr/share/applications/hildon. The mimetypes per application are listed there |
| 04:11.33 | chi800 | cool, thanks |
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| 04:29.28 | lopz | night |
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| 06:59.29 | Mikho | would somebody know anything about HildonDesktopPopupMenu? Like how to use it etc. |
| 06:59.47 | Mikho | http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.0/libhildondesktop/HildonDesktopPopupMenu.html this is not very descriptive |
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| 07:07.06 | Mikho | how do I create one? there's no _new() function or anything |
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| 07:16.13 | trickie|work | morning |
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| 07:24.08 | dneary | morning trickie|work |
| 07:25.34 | trickie|work | dneary: howdy |
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| 07:53.21 | Mikho | https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/branches/hildon-desktop/karoliina-safe-mode/libhildondesktop/hildon-desktop-popup-window.h look at this... why is there a G_BEGIN_DECLS at the end of the file? |
| 07:54.01 | Mikho | Am I the first to use this interface? |
| 07:55.03 | hrw | morning |
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| 07:59.34 | Mikho | https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/branches/hildon-desktop/karoliina-safe-mode/libhildondesktop/hildon-desktop-popup-menu.h The same complaint for this too |
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| 08:05.09 | j_a_v_n | hi! Does anybody know how to change the subtitles encoding for mplayer on maemo? I've tried converting the subs to utf8 from iso8859-7 but it can't play both. Thanks |
| 08:08.40 | hrw | j_a_v_n: -subcp=iso8859-7 maybe |
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| 08:10.18 | j_a_v_n | hrw, i'm a newbie. you mean executing mplayer on maemo like mplayer -subcp=iso8859-7 on x-term? |
| 08:12.23 | hrw | or set "subcp=iso8859-7" in mlayer config file |
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| 08:13.04 | j_a_v_n | would you know maybe where it is located? Thanks for your help |
| 08:13.27 | RST38h | All right, preliminary version: http://fms.komkon.org/Maemo/ |
| 08:13.35 | RST38h | It is very very alpha though |
| 08:14.09 | Jaffa | RST38h: is it showing everything or just Section: user/* |
| 08:14.09 | Jaffa | ? |
| 08:14.16 | RST38h | Everything |
| 08:14.23 | RST38h | Disregard the second query line |
| 08:14.59 | Jaffa | I'd probably suggest that should be an optional "advanced" mode, since most people can't install non user/ packages in App Mgr |
| 08:15.09 | RST38h | There will be |
| 08:15.34 | Jaffa | Ah cool. |
| 08:15.38 | j_a_v_n | hrw: nevermind,i'll find it and try what you proposed. Thanks again. You all have a nice day |
| 08:19.00 | X-Fade_ | RST38h: I think the idea is cool, but tends to hide the underlying problem. |
| 08:19.30 | X-Fade_ | We really need to work towards some kind of distribution, because this is the beginning of a dependency hell :) |
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| 08:20.50 | Jaffa | Indeed. My worry is that by hiding the problem, the impetus for fixing it goes away and things just get worse and worse until it gets so bad it *has* to be fixed, and it's then a bigger job. I've certainly seen a lot of that in my day job |
| 08:21.55 | RST38h | X-Fade: this is experimental stuff |
| 08:22.25 | RST38h | X-Fade: the idea is to find the best way to represent repository contents to the user |
| 08:22.28 | X-Fade_ | RST38h: I know and I don't want to use stop energy here ;) |
| 08:22.53 | RST38h | In the final version, a lot of results you are seeing will be hidden unless you explicitely request "see all" mode |
| 08:22.58 | X-Fade_ | RST38h: Sure, it can even be used when we do have a proper repository. |
| 08:23.25 | Jaffa | RST38h: suggest some funky script.aculo.us effects to have some wow factor :-) |
| 08:23.33 | RST38h | And stuff that have potential for conflicts will be highlighted with warning signs |
| 08:23.44 | RST38h | Jaffa: it should work on the tablet |
| 08:24.02 | RST38h | Jaffa: i.e. the most spectacular thing you can expect is folding entries |
| 08:24.34 | Jaffa | RST38h: fair enough (although IME script.aculo.us isn't too slow on microb) |
| 08:25.24 | RST38h | X-Fade: My problem with the one-repository-or-bust approach Quim appears to be sticking with is that it is a social problem not a technical one |
| 08:26.03 | RST38h | X-Fade: And social problems tend to have no real solutions and thus continue for years. You just can't make *everybody* use single repo, no matter what you do |
| 08:26.08 | Jaffa | I think there have been technical problems with the extras barrier to entry, but I think it's also an education issue. People don't understand why it's bad. |
| 08:26.14 | X-Fade_ | RST38h: Well look at Debian. There is a central repository and all kinds of projects have their own repos. |
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| 08:26.24 | Jaffa | RST38h: oh, we could - make it so there's no UI for additional repos ;-) |
| 08:26.25 | RST38h | X-Fade: yep |
| 08:26.30 | X-Fade_ | But at least the basic quality software is in the central one ;) |
| 08:26.35 | RST38h | Jaffa: iPhone way? :) |
| 08:26.50 | RST38h | X-Fade: Still, there is alot of software that is not even in repos |
| 08:27.10 | RST38h | BTW, my original idea was to provide a one-click deb upload for such software |
| 08:27.12 | X-Fade_ | RST38h: Yes. And that is bad :) |
| 08:27.12 | Jaffa | RST38h: slightly less restrictive (you could always have a package in extras which installed your extra repo in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/) |
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| 08:28.08 | RST38h | Jaffa: umgh |
| 08:28.20 | Jaffa | still thinks his "polling something for updates and auto-upload" would help a lot of people. They set up they want the uploading, and then just build debs and copy them to their website. Basic QA checks are done automatically (and possibly peer reviewed) and then it's auto-put into extras if it passes. |
| 08:28.31 | RST38h | X-Fage: We have got pupnik who for some reason is averse to putting his stuff in repos =) |
| 08:29.06 | RST38h | Jaffa: Yea, but this relies on the stuff staying at the same locaiton under the sme name |
| 08:29.07 | X-Fade_ | RST38h: That is because he is unsure of the quality of the packages. IIRC. |
| 08:29.36 | RST38h | X-Fade: His packages behave better than Canola or OpenSSH |
| 08:29.47 | X-Fade_ | RST38h: Sure, tell him that ;) |
| 08:30.25 | Jaffa | RST38h: true |
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| 08:30.47 | Jaffa | And we've got extras-devel now at least for people who don't think their software is "good enough" for extras |
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| 08:54.21 | jldiaz | hi |
| 08:54.47 | jldiaz | I've downloaded remind and compiled it in scratchbox. All went ok. |
| 08:55.03 | jldiaz | now I have a binary remind, which I can copy to my NIT and runs without problem |
| 08:55.06 | jldiaz | my question is... |
| 08:55.25 | jldiaz | where can I find documentation about packaging the result into a .deb? |
| 08:56.00 | X-Fade_ | jldiaz: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/making_application_packages.html |
| 08:56.08 | jldiaz | thanks X-Fade_ ! |
| 08:56.45 | X-Fade_ | jldiaz: And this one: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/creating_a_debian_package.html |
| 08:58.31 | jldiaz | Ok, I'll read that, but as a quick question... |
| 08:58.55 | jldiaz | does it takes much effort/time to write all neccessary stuff in deb/ ? |
| 08:59.14 | jldiaz | figuring the dependencies and so on? or is it mostly automated? |
| 09:01.58 | jldiaz | oh, forget my question |
| 09:02.02 | X-Fade_ | jldiaz: That depends on you application. ;) |
| 09:02.03 | jldiaz | I can see it is mostly automated |
| 09:02.08 | X-Fade_ | yeah. |
| 09:02.39 | jldiaz | my app is a console app, which does not use any fancy library (not even curses) |
| 09:03.06 | jldiaz | so I figure that the default scripts made by dh_make would be enough |
| 09:03.06 | X-Fade_ | Well, then packaging will not be hard. |
| 09:04.11 | jldiaz | At the very minimum, I should provide a description, I guess |
| 09:05.18 | jldiaz | dh_make can figure itself the dependencies? |
| 09:09.06 | wnd | once you have set source dependencies it should |
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| 09:37.32 | Mikho | how can I find out runtime the root hildon window size? |
| 09:37.58 | Mikho | I wouldn't want to hardcode it to the N810 screen size |
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| 09:44.51 | hrw | why you need it? |
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| 09:45.41 | Mikho | so that I can adjust the position of a popup window so it doesn't go out of the monitor screen |
| 09:45.54 | KotCzarny | it's a wm's job |
| 09:46.15 | KotCzarny | (window manager) |
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| 09:51.18 | Mikho | well, hildon_desktop_popup_window_popup asks for a callback function that would adjust the window position |
| 09:51.33 | Mikho | so I'm writing a such function for it |
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| 09:52.58 | KotCzarny | have you considered that your app would be useful on regular pc too? |
| 09:53.27 | KotCzarny | s/would/could |
| 09:53.38 | Mikho | maybe not, but on later internet tablet models that have different screen resolution |
| 09:54.33 | KotCzarny | as for root windows size, just use x11 function querying window params |
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| 09:55.49 | Mikho | hmm, how do I do that? |
| 09:56.26 | KotCzarny | that was long time ago.. |
| 09:58.42 | eocanha | Mikho: have you tried this? |
| 09:58.45 | eocanha | http://library.gnome.org/devel/gdk/unstable/GdkScreen.html |
| 10:00.02 | Mikho | I just found that |
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| 10:41.33 | SaineTarasind | Hi there |
| 10:42.35 | SaineTarasind | has anybody out there running lyx on chinook ? |
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| 10:50.31 | pekuja | I'm having a problem trying to apt-get update inside scratchbox |
| 10:50.56 | pekuja | "I get |Temporary failure resolving 'repository.maemo.org'" |
| 10:51.17 | pekuja | I googled for this and found some pointers about fixing /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf but it didn't seem to help at all |
| 10:51.46 | pekuja | or, nsswitch.conf was already like the solution seemed to say |
| 10:51.54 | Jaffa | pekuja: check your /etc/resolv.conf in scratchbox |
| 10:51.55 | pekuja | I'm running this on Ubuntu hardy |
| 10:52.37 | pekuja | hmm, seems to have nameserver set to 127.0.0.1 |
| 10:52.42 | Jaffa | yup |
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| 10:54.25 | pekuja | now it seems to work |
| 10:54.25 | pekuja | it prints this out a few times though: |
| 10:54.25 | pekuja | qemu: uncaught target signal 2 (Interrupt) - exiting |
| 10:54.27 | pekuja | but seems to work fine otherwise |
| 10:54.52 | Mikho | all right, resolved the root window size problem |
| 10:55.24 | pekuja | do you know what that error message could mean? it's weird, apt-get keeps on going despite those errors |
| 10:55.32 | Mikho | just call gdk_drawable_get_size on gdk_get_default_root_window() |
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| 11:10.50 | pekuja | how can I load a kernel module on an N810? |
| 11:10.53 | pekuja | or gain root access |
| 11:12.00 | johnx | insmod /path/to/foo.ko |
| 11:12.08 | johnx | ~easyroot |
| 11:12.09 | infobot | i guess easyroot is an easy way to get root access on OS2008 and can be found at http://nitapps.com |
| 11:13.11 | pekuja | so there's no way to load a module without installing an extra app? |
| 11:13.37 | johnx | you could use the linux flasher to put your n810 in r&d mode |
| 11:13.41 | johnx | then use sudo gainroot |
| 11:14.02 | pekuja | hmn, ok |
| 11:14.10 | johnx | the easyroot app just makes a small modification to the gainroot script IIRC |
| 11:14.58 | pekuja | cute, I tried sudo gainroot without setting the device into r&d mode, it says "Enable RD mode if you want to break your device" |
| 11:15.45 | johnx | right, so most methods to "get root" just consist of a postinst script in a .deb package that changes the gainroot script to not check whether the r&d mode bit is set |
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| 11:20.20 | pekuja | hah |
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| 11:26.35 | Mikho | would somebody know what the error "maemo-launcher: error rising the oom shield for pid=1603 status=5632" means? |
| 11:26.53 | BugBlue | oom = memory |
| 11:27.03 | BugBlue | looks like out of memory shield |
| 11:27.13 | Mikho | out of mana |
| 11:29.18 | Mikho | I don't think I'm out of memory |
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| 11:30.51 | AStorm | you may be |
| 11:31.09 | AStorm | actually, oom shield is anti-oom protection |
| 11:31.36 | AStorm | there is an oom controller in maemo, which protects vital processes from being killed |
| 11:31.49 | AStorm | or bothered by it |
| 11:34.54 | Mikho | hmm, the error appears even before i run my app |
| 11:35.28 | AStorm | which is correct |
| 11:35.32 | AStorm | it shouldn't be shielded |
| 11:37.00 | Mikho | okay, maybe I'll just ignore the error |
| 11:37.52 | Mikho | would somebody know which interfaces I should use if I want a popup menu in my app? |
| 11:38.29 | Mikho | hildon_desktop_popup_menu looks like it's almost halfway done |
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| 11:50.43 | lopz | hi |
| 11:55.22 | johnx | hmm...so garnetvm pretty much makes the n800 the cheapest (and fastest?) palm os device in the world, doesn't it? |
| 11:55.55 | Saviq | lol |
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| 12:01.12 | RST38h | AStorm,johnx: http://fms.komkon.org/Maemo |
| 12:01.30 | RST38h | [it is in early alpha] |
| 12:02.09 | johnx | so right now, it's just hooked up to exrtas? |
| 12:02.48 | johnx | pretty darn slick |
| 12:03.01 | johnx | so you put it on your own host after all? |
| 12:03.33 | RST38h | It is hooked up to a list of repos I typed into db |
| 12:03.43 | RST38h | yea, nobody volunteered |
| 12:05.01 | johnx | it looks nice |
| 12:05.11 | johnx | are you interested in suggestions? |
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| 12:05.57 | KotCzarny | rst, volunteered to what? |
| 12:07.06 | johnx | sleeps |
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| 12:08.35 | pupnik | johnx: have they implmented screen rotation in garnet yet? |
| 12:08.37 | pupnik | oh sory |
| 12:08.53 | pupnik | RST38h: is this like gronmayer? |
| 12:09.24 | lcuk_work | burps |
| 12:09.32 | lcuk_work | hi folks |
| 12:09.41 | pupnik | lcuk o/ |
| 12:09.50 | florian | hi lcuk_work |
| 12:09.51 | Jaffa | pupnik: It's like gronmayer in that it indexes repos, it then presents install links for every package; rather than the repo |
| 12:09.58 | KotCzarny | hi lcuk |
| 12:10.13 | lcuk_work | hi kot :) not seen you on since i arrived back. hows tricks |
| 12:10.30 | KotCzarny | heh |
| 12:10.33 | KotCzarny | in nwn loop again |
| 12:11.14 | KotCzarny | how was the lt? |
| 12:11.47 | lcuk_work | ltag was amazing and informative - its given me a chance to test and expand and find things which work |
| 12:11.57 | pupnik | was great meeting ppl. berlin totally charmed me |
| 12:11.59 | lcuk_work | and i met some great people :) |
| 12:12.22 | pupnik | that tiergarten cafe/pizza place ruled |
| 12:12.31 | lcuk_work | pupnik, the weather really helped make it easy going out and having a great time |
| 12:12.47 | KotCzarny | are there any site with photos? |
| 12:13.04 | KotCzarny | *is |
| 12:13.19 | lcuk_work | therres a few around, but tbh i was more interested in talking to people rather than getting them to pose, and a lot of ppl were the same |
| 12:13.28 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:13.32 | lcuk_work | err ive got a link on home computer to at least one set |
| 12:13.43 | lcuk_work | but since im not there its a bit tough |
| 12:14.08 | KotCzarny | ok, site with summary/ideas would be nice too :) |
| 12:16.37 | lcuk_work | theres again a few about google gives good things for "maemo linuxtag" quils notes are deffo there |
| 12:16.54 | lcuk_work | there is also audio for the first 2 hours including my absolute fail |
| 12:17.09 | lcuk_work | quims * |
| 12:17.15 | KotCzarny | fail? |
| 12:17.43 | lcuk_work | yes, public speaking is not for the codemonkey :) |
| 12:17.47 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:17.50 | KotCzarny | true |
| 12:18.04 | KotCzarny | but it's a matter of practice |
| 12:18.06 | KotCzarny | isn't it? |
| 12:18.15 | lcuk_work | but ive had my head dipped now, it can only get better |
| 12:18.43 | lcuk_work | exactly, i managed to convey everything i needed to to the people who mattered anyway |
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| 12:19.28 | lcuk_work | right, ill catch up with you later and have a proper chat |
| 12:19.30 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:19.36 | KotCzarny | nods |
| 12:19.57 | lcuk_work | cyas in a bit |
| 12:20.27 | pupnik | i hadn't realized how much stuff florian boor is involved in |
| 12:21.55 | KotCzarny | who is florian boor? |
| 12:23.33 | pupnik | gave a talk, works on openembedded |
| 12:23.59 | pupnik | i really appreciated lardman's thoughtful comments. he's got a pretty balanced view of things IMO |
| 12:24.25 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 12:25.22 | pupnik | and his girlfriend has great taste in music :P |
| 12:25.34 | pupnik | (wife?) dunno |
| 12:26.10 | Jaffa | lardman'd definitely be one of the people I'd like to see nominated if we ever held Community Council elections. |
| 12:26.32 | florian | KotCzarny: guess ;) |
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| 12:26.52 | KotCzarny | wouldn't that limit his work on "real stuff" ? |
| 12:27.05 | KotCzarny | time resources are limited usually |
| 12:27.06 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:27.17 | Jaffa | KotCzarny: I'd hope that my Community Council idea wouldn't really be a time sink. |
| 12:27.26 | pupnik | i liked it |
| 12:27.59 | pupnik | it's a way of community choosing members who we think should have more standing |
| 12:28.20 | pupnik | like a way to positively weight their comments |
| 12:28.24 | pupnik | afaict |
| 12:28.38 | Jaffa | Yeah, that's a good way of looking at it. |
| 12:29.41 | Jaffa | qgil's said loads of times recently "the community should decide", but there's no way anybody can say what "the community" wants: there's loads of discussion, but no-one with the authority to sum it up and draw conclusions. If the community elected people to have that power, I think it'd help progress things more |
| 12:29.55 | RST38h | pupnik: More or less, but can be operated from the tablet and gives a fuller view |
| 12:30.02 | pupnik | nice job RST38h |
| 12:30.12 | pupnik | was just pulling up blank pages for me a minute ago though |
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| 12:31.40 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 12:36.40 | pupnik | Jaffa: would it be sensible to make a taxonomy of maemo areas of expertise, and allow the community vote on members, and assign those (via checkboxes) to different ppl? Not sure if that's doable or a good idea... |
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| 12:39.58 | Jaffa | pupnik: Hmm, not sure either. One immediate problem I can see is deciding what topic a particular area falls under; but that's "just" a case of designing a good taxonomy (not easy). For example, one thing I'd like to see the Council do is lay out the process for the brainstorm which is currently underway, ask for comments but otherwise drive it through, agree with qgil and then say "*this* is what we want the brainstorm to produce, let's go!" |
| 12:40.45 | sp3000 | mmm process |
| 12:41.32 | pupnik | shrugs |
| 12:42.44 | sp3000 | whistles |
| 12:44.51 | pupnik | To me there don't seem be very many people in the community who seem to have enough overview and expertise to make balanced/wise suggestions. |
| 12:44.55 | RST38h | Anybody knows how to make twoHTML spans align to the left and right margins of the same line? |
| 12:44.59 | pupnik | About core components. |
| 12:45.24 | Jaffa | RST38h: with or without an additional div? |
| 12:45.39 | RST38h | without |
| 12:45.40 | RST38h | same line |
| 12:46.39 | Jaffa | The easiest way is to display: block them, text-align: left and right and then set the right one to have a negative margin of about 1em. Bit hacky, though |
| 12:47.17 | RST38h | urgh |
| 12:47.23 | RST38h | will go with a table instead |
| 12:47.43 | KotCzarny | i just use tables.. |
| 12:47.48 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 12:54.45 | mgedmin | negative margins? just put the right-aligning one before the left-aligning one, iirc |
| 12:54.51 | mgedmin | I hate that reversal of order, by the way |
| 12:55.18 | KotCzarny | css hacks usually break :) |
| 12:55.21 | Jaffa | mgedmin: that's the other way, and float it right, instead of text-aligning it. |
| 12:55.23 | KotCzarny | tables are stable |
| 12:55.24 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 12:55.55 | Jaffa | But you've broken the semantic ordering and there can be problems with wrapping and stuff at some point later. It's better than the -ve margin, though |
| 12:56.14 | KotCzarny | margins are buggy |
| 12:56.18 | KotCzarny | unfortunatelly |
| 12:56.26 | KotCzarny | in one widely used browser |
| 12:56.32 | Jaffa | Roll on IE8 |
| 12:56.36 | KotCzarny | well, not it one |
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| 12:56.42 | KotCzarny | ie8? O.o |
| 12:56.57 | Jaffa | Supposedly much better on standards than 6 or 7; but I've not tried it yet |
| 12:56.59 | KotCzarny | i haven't checked ie7 still |
| 12:57.00 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:57.12 | Jaffa | IE7's a bit better; not a lot though |
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| 13:02.41 | Jaffa | WTF?! Is FBReader not in extras? |
| 13:03.26 | RST38h | FBReader has its own repo |
| 13:03.42 | mgedmin | sadly |
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| 13:04.04 | Jaffa | Oh FFS |
| 13:09.18 | Cptnodegard | pat pat |
| 13:09.21 | Cptnodegard | it'll all be ok |
| 13:09.21 | KotCzarny | fun for seniors? |
| 13:09.51 | Cptnodegard | maemo bingo? |
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| 13:14.42 | dbbddbdb | Did anybody install *and* update Debian on N800? Mine stopped showing Xfce (only a text login), although the X server is running (xclock renders properly into the framebuffer) |
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| 13:17.19 | kup | hi. is there way to make a camera shot from command line? |
| 13:18.01 | tmpsantos | kup: write a python script to do that |
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| 13:18.29 | Schubidu | hi |
| 13:19.04 | tmpsantos | kup: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_camera_api_bora.html |
| 13:19.15 | kup | tmpsantos: thx :) |
| 13:20.19 | Schubidu | does an public beta of diablo already exist ? |
| 13:20.56 | Jaffa | Not officially. The repo is up, and password protected. The password is apparently trivial. |
| 13:21.48 | Schubidu | is it already usable ? |
| 13:23.49 | Jaffa | hasn't tried. It works: there's a thread on ITT about it. |
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| 13:25.46 | Schubidu | btw im new to the n800 (but with a strong unix background) , so sorry if i ask some stupid questions |
| 13:26.07 | Schubidu | which app you recommend for irc on the nokia ? |
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| 13:27.56 | Schubidu | and has someone abiword stable runnnig on his os2008 or lyx ? |
| 13:28.51 | hrw | Schubidu: for irc - xchat |
| 13:28.55 | hrw | ~xchat-maemo |
| 13:28.56 | infobot | well, xchat-maemo is X-Chat for OS2008 is done by skyhusker and can be fetched from http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ and should be in 'extras' soon |
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| 13:33.42 | Schubidu | thanks |
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| 13:39.40 | Schubidu | il be back soon |
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| 13:48.39 | Schubiddu | re |
| 13:48.59 | Schubiddu | now with xchat :-) |
| 13:49.05 | Schubiddu | thanks again |
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| 13:51.45 | lardman | "morning" |
| 13:51.58 | Schubiddu | hi |
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| 13:59.45 | Schubiddu | has someone already used pptp on his nokia ? |
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| 14:04.29 | Italodance | GUYS |
| 14:04.30 | Italodance | :D |
| 14:04.51 | Italodance | look here : http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=188979#post188979post188979 |
| 14:04.55 | Italodance | enjoy :D |
| 14:05.53 | lardman | OpenGL accelerated yet? ;) |
| 14:05.55 | Italodance | just someone tell me can see the pic? |
| 14:06.04 | lardman | I can see it |
| 14:06.12 | Italodance | good! :D |
| 14:07.28 | Schubiddu | the pics of an directory ? |
| 14:07.51 | lardman | Does DBUS offer the option to store data, or must all requests for a certain key (if that's the right word) be handled by some app which provides the data in real-time? |
| 14:09.02 | Italodance | Schubiddu yes dir |
| 14:09.30 | Schubiddu | ok then i see it too :-) |
| 14:09.56 | lardman | Italodance: why do you ask anyway? |
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| 14:10.27 | lardman | lcuk2: you about? |
| 14:12.13 | Italodance | lardman the pic isn't loaded yet here! strange! |
| 14:12.21 | lardman | ah, I see |
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| 14:37.03 | summatusmentis | *sigh* I need a cell data plan :-D |
| 14:40.33 | trickie|work | lardman: dbus messages (and data) not consumed is dropped |
| 14:41.07 | trickie|work | as in if noone is listening on a bus for a signal that you send, then it gets lost |
| 14:41.10 | trickie|work | for example |
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| 14:47.04 | lardman | trickie|work: ok, cheers |
| 14:47.18 | lardman | trickie|work: I was just looking at the innards of agps-ui and gpsdriver |
| 14:47.51 | qwerty12 | The http://maemo.daylessday.org's repo is timeless's repo right? |
| 14:48.00 | lardman | hey qwerty12 |
| 14:48.09 | qwerty12 | hi lardman :) |
| 14:48.10 | lardman | qwerty12: you see my slight troubles with Diablo? |
| 14:48.17 | lardman | is that a known issue? |
| 14:48.28 | qwerty12 | is checking |
| 14:48.34 | trickie|work | lardman: agps-ui <- that from the diablo repo? |
| 14:48.46 | qwerty12 | yes |
| 14:48.48 | lardman | reboot, white screen+blue Nokia, fades away and won't boot |
| 14:48.55 | lardman | trickie|work: yep |
| 14:49.07 | AStorm | RST38h: the aggregator can't find mplayer |
| 14:49.08 | AStorm | ;P |
| 14:49.09 | lardman | qwerty12: Is there a work around? |
| 14:49.12 | AStorm | I guess it doesn't work |
| 14:49.17 | qwerty12 | lardman, Don't think so :/ |
| 14:49.24 | qwerty12 | You don't happen to have a syslog running? |
| 14:49.40 | lardman | qwerty12: no I didn't |
| 14:49.56 | qwerty12 | I had a problem where the tablet wouldn't boot after a dodgy update, init wouldn't start. I just reflashed :/ |
| 14:49.58 | qwerty12 | ah :/ |
| 14:50.29 | qwerty12 | lardman, Are you using chinook atm? |
| 14:50.31 | lardman | I did the same, can't be bothered to update to Diablo again, will just look at the binaries and leave the supl protocol until it's released for real |
| 14:50.36 | lardman | yes, am now |
| 14:51.05 | X-Fade | lardman: Can't you just unpack the debs on chinook? |
| 14:51.06 | qwerty12 | Do you have bootmenu installed and a ext2 partition on a spare memory card by any chance? |
| 14:51.23 | lardman | X-Fade: yeah probably |
| 14:52.00 | X-Fade | if chinook really is compatible with diablo, that should work. |
| 14:52.11 | lardman | X-Fade: sounds like a plan |
| 14:52.26 | lardman | qwerty12: no, 2x vfat cards and no bootmenu |
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| 14:52.56 | qwerty12 | Ah :/. I managed to obtain a diablo "rootfs" that was extracted from all the debs that could be dumped on a mmc. |
| 14:53.03 | lardman | qwerty12: I installed rtcom, then fiddled with the status bar icons, lost the battery one and it wouldn't come back, so I rebooted and it wouldn't come up |
| 14:53.17 | qwerty12 | Sounds like hildon-desktop is messing up |
| 14:53.27 | qwerty12 | I've installed rtcomm twice in diablo fine |
| 14:53.39 | lardman | qwerty12: ok, that rules that one out then |
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| 14:56.52 | lardman | ooh, i can see dsp-sbc will soon be beating maemo-mapper on the download stakes, 4 whole downloads :) |
| 14:57.07 | qwerty12 | YOU PUBLISHED IT! :O OMG |
| 14:57.09 | qwerty12 | Thanks :) |
| 14:57.19 | lardman | not working yet |
| 14:57.29 | qwerty12 | Oh, ah right. |
| 14:57.34 | X-Fade | lardman: I even promoted your message to the front page of garage. Even though it was kind of non-news ;) |
| 14:57.35 | qwerty12 | goes back into boring mode |
| 14:58.01 | lardman | X-Fade: lol, i was quite shocked to see it there actually :D |
| 14:58.17 | lardman | but thanks :) |
| 14:58.37 | X-Fade | Well, more eyes that see it. Maybe there is one guru out there that notices it ;) |
| 14:58.53 | lardman | we live in hope :) |
| 14:59.48 | lardman | I'll sit down this evening and start comparing the intermediate results from the DSP output and x86 output and hopefully narrow it down |
| 14:59.57 | lardman | much simpler structure than Tremor thank God |
| 15:00.10 | qwerty12 | I'll take your word for it :p |
| 15:00.16 | X-Fade | That will be tedious work. |
| 15:00.48 | qwerty12 | is specialising in printer "hacking" for the tablets |
| 15:00.54 | lardman | X-Fade: yeah, that's why it takes me soo long, boring evenings |
| 15:01.24 | lardman | even doing the washing up is more interesting :) |
| 15:01.37 | qwerty12 | 0.o |
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| 15:02.27 | summatusmentis | qwerty12: printer 'hacking' ? |
| 15:02.39 | qwerty12 | summatusmentis, http://www.irongeek.com/i.php?page=security/networkprinterhacking |
| 15:02.49 | qwerty12 | I'm compiling the stuff for the tablet |
| 15:03.02 | qwerty12 | Here's "hijetter" : http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20716&highlight=pft |
| 15:03.52 | summatusmentis | Oh, I've heard of that |
| 15:04.28 | qwerty12 | As soon as I get my ass around to running aircrack on a kismet dump, I'm gonna have me some fun in school |
| 15:04.47 | lardman | driftnet.... |
| 15:04.58 | lardman | though it didn't work for me the last time i tried it |
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| 15:07.09 | summatusmentis | qwerty12: be careful, my IT guy at my HS would've come down hard and fast if he found out |
| 15:07.31 | summatusmentis | I was actually just contemplating playing with this at this place I'm contracting for.... bad idea :) |
| 15:08.02 | qwerty12 | summatusmentis, I've been excluded twice for this sort of stuff and lets just say me got a important password |
| 15:08.07 | qwerty12 | I know :) |
| 15:08.25 | summatusmentis | excluded? is that like suspension in the US? |
| 15:08.27 | qwerty12 | It's fun though, I keep shutting down a group of computers |
| 15:08.55 | qwerty12 | summatusmentis, exclusion, it's like separation from the rest of the class for a while |
| 15:09.05 | summatusmentis | but you still have to attend school |
| 15:09.06 | qwerty12 | I got external so I had to wait for a week before going back into school |
| 15:09.12 | summatusmentis | oh, ok |
| 15:09.43 | summatusmentis | we call that being suspended in the US, I guess your 'internal exlucsion' would be in-school suspension for us |
| 15:09.54 | qwerty12 | ah |
| 15:10.15 | summatusmentis | s/exlucsion/exclusion/ |
| 15:10.37 | summatusmentis | lol, a week? what were you doing? |
| 15:11.44 | qwerty12 | I brought up a cmd prompt using a little BASIC program I made and opened up the registration system (has addresses etc) |
| 15:12.57 | Schubiddu | bye |
| 15:13.04 | summatusmentis | bye Schubiddu |
| 15:13.05 | qwerty12 | Bye |
| 15:13.29 | summatusmentis | qwerty12: lol, you script kiddie |
| 15:14.01 | qwerty12 | summatusmentis, Thanks, keep the compliments coming :P |
| 15:14.19 | summatusmentis | lol, that's not generally a good thing. Start doing useful things w/ that knowledge |
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| 15:14.46 | summatusmentis | hi GAN800 |
| 15:15.13 | GAN800 | Jaffa, I filed a bug abiut Extras on FBReader's tracker a few weeks ago. |
| 15:15.18 | GAN800 | Howdy |
| 15:15.49 | Italodance | http://autoscan-network.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=15&Itemid=53 |
| 15:16.08 | qwerty12 | It don't work on OS2008 |
| 15:16.33 | Italodance | sure? |
| 15:16.38 | qwerty12 | Very ;) |
| 15:16.48 | Italodance | ok |
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| 15:53.16 | Jaffa | GAN800/GeneralAntilles: howdy - and cool on the fbreader bug |
| 15:53.38 | GeneralAntilles | Marius (I think) also poked them about it on the Google group a few months ago. |
| 15:53.54 | GeneralAntilles | We should set out to inundate them with complaints. ;) |
| 15:54.04 | GeneralAntilles | Then can be the first target for "What the community can do" |
| 15:54.18 | Navi | Riot |
| 15:54.28 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: talking of which, I took your "community leader" idea and turned it into "Community Council" which, hopefully, you'll have seen. |
| 15:54.41 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I caught it. |
| 15:54.48 | GeneralAntilles | Chatted a bit with lardman about it last night. |
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| 15:55.18 | GeneralAntilles | He mentioned that it might better represent the community with 5 members instead of 3. |
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| 15:56.21 | Jaffa | No argument from me, odd number always best though in case you need to get into a voting situation |
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| 15:58.04 | GeneralAntilles | Oddly, my top-3 list are all UK-based. |
| 15:58.18 | qwerty12 | Obviously, UK owns |
| 15:58.20 | qwerty12 | :p |
| 15:59.23 | Jaffa | Shouldn't that be "pwns" if we want to be irrationally jingoistic? ;-) |
| 15:59.40 | qwerty12 | s/owns/pwns/ |
| 15:59.46 | qwerty12 | happy now? :p |
| 16:00.43 | RST38h | back |
| 16:01.05 | GeneralAntilles | The Recent Changes RSS feed would be nice if it weren't so slow on the uptake. |
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| 16:01.38 | qwerty12 | That makes it "The Not-So-Recent Changes RSS feed" |
| 16:02.36 | Navi | HAR HAR HARHAR |
| 16:03.07 | qwerty12 | ARF ARF |
| 16:04.16 | RST38h | AStorm,johnx: http://fms.komkon.org/Maemo |
| 16:04.25 | RST38h | sorry that was to ga |
| 16:05.05 | GeneralAntilles | No results for Canola, canola, or maemo-pan. :( |
| 16:05.07 | AStorm | RST38h: fixed already? |
| 16:05.20 | qwerty12 | No results for fmsx, vgba ;P |
| 16:05.41 | AStorm | and no results for mplayer either |
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| 16:07.51 | RST38h | astorm: somewhat, check |
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| 16:08.08 | RST38h | qwerty: there are results |
| 16:08.43 | qwerty12 | It's working for me now :/ |
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| 16:09.00 | qwerty12 | Hmm, I know what I did |
| 16:09.22 | AStorm | http://fms.komkon.org/Maemo/index.php?Action=list&Platform=OS2008&Arg=mplayer&Section=user&Repository=http%3A%2F%2Frepository.maemo.org%2Fextras%2F |
| 16:09.27 | AStorm | no results |
| 16:09.40 | qwerty12 | I chose OS2008, and the repository.maemo.org/extras. While it works when blank, I would expect it to work with those filled in ;) |
| 16:09.54 | AStorm | the parameters are broken, yes |
| 16:09.56 | qwerty12 | AStorm, http://fms.komkon.org/Maemo/index.php?Action=list&Platform=&Arg=mplayer&Section=&Repository= |
| 16:10.04 | qwerty12 | Must have done same thing as me |
| 16:10.29 | AStorm | yes, twoparameters are broken |
| 16:10.33 | AStorm | Platform and section |
| 16:12.13 | RST38h | astorm: do not select repository |
| 16:12.23 | RST38h | keep all fields clear |
| 16:13.09 | AStorm | repository works |
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| 16:15.50 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles/lardman|gone: fiddled with the Council numbers a little: 5 members (+2), reduced voting and nominee karma thresholds |
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| 16:16.21 | GeneralAntilles | Sounds good. |
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| 16:17.10 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, the description text is a little hard to read. |
| 16:18.13 | GeneralAntilles | Particularly on the tablet. |
| 16:18.20 | RST38h | ga: i can either fold it or keep it this size |
| 16:18.23 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe up the type size and limit the max characters? |
| 16:18.43 | GeneralAntilles | With a (more...) link to expand it. |
| 16:18.52 | RST38h | maybe... |
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| 16:19.13 | GeneralAntilles | I'm not in love with that, either, though. |
| 16:19.31 | AStorm | ok people |
| 16:19.36 | RST38h | will see.. it is an early alpha anyway |
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| 16:19.49 | AStorm | how do I go about impendance matching in headphones? (esp. Ohm value) |
| 16:20.03 | AStorm | that should reduce noise as heard with low-Ohm headphones |
| 16:20.05 | GeneralAntilles | I notice it's set to the max-width for windowed MicroB, any way to make that expand to max-width for fullscreen when you go fullscreen? |
| 16:20.14 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I understand, it's looking good, though. |
| 16:20.20 | AStorm | do I hook up ground through additional Ohms, or not? |
| 16:20.33 | RST38h | it is set to 100 percent |
| 16:20.52 | RST38h | or it should be anyway |
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| 16:22.46 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe it's 100% for its parent element? |
| 16:23.25 | RST38h | dont remember and i am on a cell phone right now |
| 16:23.34 | RST38h | will check tonight |
| 16:24.10 | hrw | bye |
| 16:24.14 | qwerty12 | bye |
| 16:24.28 | zap | RST38h: Isn't possible to display packages with a one-line description, and if clicked show it on a separate screen? |
| 16:24.45 | zap | or at least take the first paragraph from description |
| 16:25.12 | GeneralAntilles | Separate screen? |
| 16:25.13 | GeneralAntilles | Ew. |
| 16:25.17 | GeneralAntilles | ESPECIALLY ew on the tablet. |
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| 16:26.06 | zap | Well, on a separate screen it would have a set of screenshots, the full description, and comments from users |
| 16:26.18 | zap | or is this designed to be just a repo browser? |
| 16:26.22 | GeneralAntilles | Screenshots from where? |
| 16:26.38 | GeneralAntilles | I suppose you could probably aggregate in the Downloads shots and comments |
| 16:26.38 | RST38h | zap: i amthinking in terms of foldouts |
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| 16:26.44 | GeneralAntilles | but that sounds painful. |
| 16:26.46 | zap | from anywhere :) we could agree on some standard packaging of screenshots into the .deb |
| 16:26.53 | GeneralAntilles | and likely to net you false-positives |
| 16:26.56 | RST38h | comments - way too far in the future |
| 16:27.05 | zap | ok :) |
| 16:27.14 | zap | I just remember my first experience with N810 |
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| 16:27.21 | Jaffa | Screenshots in deb == bloat on limited space of tablets. |
| 16:27.23 | zap | lots of apps with bad descriptions |
| 16:27.25 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 16:27.31 | GeneralAntilles | @Jaffa's comment. |
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| 16:27.36 | zap | Jaffa: screenshots won't be installed |
| 16:27.38 | Jaffa | Separate pages with screenshots & comments is too close to the point of downloads.maemo.org |
| 16:27.40 | GeneralAntilles | zap, bitch at the packagers. |
| 16:27.43 | zap | just like the icon |
| 16:27.44 | GeneralAntilles | zap, still have to be cached. |
| 16:28.10 | dneary | Hi GeneralAntilles |
| 16:28.14 | Jaffa | zap: oh, so we'll store hundreds of KB of PNG data in the package meta-data, which is still stored on the tablet - but takes up MORE room?! :-) |
| 16:28.19 | dneary | I finally got around to doing some wiki stuff today |
| 16:28.31 | qwerty12 | screenshots in debs are also pointless as you have to install the deb anyway. Why have screenshots when you can launch the program anyway? |
| 16:28.32 | zap | Jaffa: ok ok, at least some URL or something like thast |
| 16:28.34 | zap | *that |
| 16:28.39 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, saw it, dneary. ;) |
| 16:28.44 | dneary | GeneralAntilles: Not sure if you agree with me, but I'm going for fewer categories (using sub-categories if necessary) |
| 16:28.56 | dneary | and the most prominent links on the front page |
| 16:29.02 | GeneralAntilles | dneary, my wiki-organizing experience is limited. |
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| 16:29.05 | dneary | Even if those links aren't to wiki pages |
| 16:29.27 | dneary | I'm unsure about that right now, but anyway - I'm going to let it ride & see how it turns out |
| 16:29.58 | GeneralAntilles | A URI to a screenshot in the deb might work |
| 16:30.02 | GeneralAntilles | But still, mostly pointless. |
| 16:30.11 | GeneralAntilles | dneary, we can always modify things later |
| 16:30.15 | dneary | When I have an idea what the Development section should look like I'll get it started & will be solliciting help |
| 16:30.22 | RST38h | screenshots are kind of less important |
| 16:30.24 | GeneralAntilles | Having something in place to get started is the most important thing for now. |
| 16:30.27 | dneary | GeneralAntilles: Indeed - that's what wikis are for :) |
| 16:30.46 | zap | screenshots give a general overview of what you're going to install (or not install) |
| 16:31.02 | zap | and sometimes a screenshot says more than any description |
| 16:31.15 | GeneralAntilles | dneary, maybe stick a task for the front page on the MAG tasklist? |
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| 16:32.09 | GeneralAntilles | still needs to work out the MAG guidelines and process. |
| 16:32.31 | csaavedra | does anyone actually use jhbuild to build maemo? Looks like there's a dependency cycle in the jhbuild moduleset |
| 16:33.06 | dneary | MAG? |
| 16:33.17 | qwerty12 | wants to KILL maemo for not having a libperl-dev |
| 16:33.23 | GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemowiki_Action_Group ;) |
| 16:33.36 | dneary | I'm actually thinking that the front page should be pretty tightly policed - don't want it growing warts just yet |
| 16:34.14 | Jaffa | dneary: agreed. Structurally should be very static, and have content changes should be as high a quality as possible (c.f. Wikipedia's front page) |
| 16:34.36 | dneary | Yup |
| 16:34.49 | dneary | Jaffa: I like the front page design that GA came up with, though |
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| 16:35.29 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody still needs to fix the CSS. |
| 16:35.51 | Jaffa | It's a good approach, not quite there yet; but I'm not sure what we want it to do |
| 16:39.15 | dneary | GeneralAntilles: OK - I haven't been using the MAG pages for my brain dumping |
| 16:39.17 | dneary | I will now |
| 16:39.22 | dneary | (well, later this evening) |
| 16:39.59 | GeneralAntilles | Just good to have everything that's going on centralized and easy to track. |
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| 16:53.50 | GeneralAntilles | andre___, guenther: what do you think about putting together a triager's group on the wiki? |
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| 16:54.25 | GeneralAntilles | Partly to serve as a central organization point for current triagers and partly to help introduce newcomers to triaging. |
| 16:54.39 | guenther | sure, good idea |
| 16:56.39 | GeneralAntilles | One bit of trouble I had getting into it (aside from the fact that bugzilla has really only recently gained any kind of real focus), is that there really aren't any good guides to bug triaging out there. |
| 16:56.50 | GeneralAntilles | So there's a bit of a barrier getting into it. |
| 16:58.37 | guenther | live.gnome.org holds triage information :) |
| 16:58.56 | guenther | However, this pretty much depends on the project. |
| 16:59.11 | guenther | Different rules, processing style, etc. |
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| 17:39.14 | Maximander | morning |
| 17:39.43 | Maximander | anyone know if n800 bluetooth stack supports bluetooth serial port profile? |
| 17:40.24 | glass | it should |
| 17:40.42 | glass | at least a lot of apps use it for gps or whatever dongles |
| 17:41.05 | Maximander | any idea where to start looking for more info (other than google) ? |
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| 17:43.43 | pH5 | Maximander: I'd say wiki.bluez.org, look for the dbus api |
| 17:44.47 | Maximander | thanks |
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| 17:49.36 | summatusmentis | Jackson WY has wimax already... |
| 17:49.47 | summatusmentis | DO WANT! |
| 17:50.12 | GeneralAntilles | 'spensive |
| 17:50.16 | GeneralAntilles | $40/mo minimum |
| 17:50.42 | Navi | :P |
| 17:51.22 | summatusmentis | $30/mo |
| 17:51.30 | Navi | :P |
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| 17:51.49 | summatusmentis | and it's faster than what some residents are paying $50/mo for |
| 17:52.08 | GeneralAntilles | 1Mbps is faster than $50/mo internet? |
| 17:52.09 | GeneralAntilles | Damn. |
| 17:52.25 | summatusmentis | they might be getting better than 1Mbps |
| 17:52.42 | summatusmentis | apparently this company that's doing it has their own freq for it |
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| 17:53.08 | GeneralAntilles | Not Xohm? |
| 17:55.10 | summatusmentis | I don't believe so... hold on, i'm finding out(have a friend in Jackson who works for a company that is being asked to be a reseller) |
| 17:57.49 | pupnik_ | jackson hole had a wild reputation in the 70s |
| 17:58.00 | pupnik_ | i took the biggest ski jump of my life there |
| 17:58.30 | summatusmentis | dude, the skiing there is awesome |
| 17:58.33 | pupnik | nothing like skiing with people who are way better than you |
| 17:58.34 | pupnik | heh |
| 17:58.40 | summatusmentis | for real |
| 17:58.59 | summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: base speed is 1.5Mbps, w/ up to 5 Mbps if you have line of sight |
| 17:59.27 | GeneralAntilles | I was going from Xohm numbers. |
| 17:59.29 | summatusmentis | I lived in Jackson for a year, I loved it there |
| 17:59.48 | summatusmentis | yeah, I'm assuming this isn't Xohm, but I'm gonna find out shortly |
| 18:00.09 | pupnik | ever hit courbet's couloir summatusmentis? |
| 18:00.24 | pupnik | (i chickened out) |
| 18:00.41 | pupnik | oh corbet |
| 18:01.10 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody out with an N810 + Diablo that can test this? |
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| 18:02.12 | GeneralAntilles | Sorry, link: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2501 |
| 18:02.33 | summatusmentis | pupnik: I taught myself how to snowboard out there, only ever skiied the blues |
| 18:02.45 | summatusmentis | anything bigger than that scared the snot out of me |
| 18:02.51 | pupnik | i mean i can figure you can hop off corbets and just slide down |
| 18:02.59 | pupnik | but i was just way too scared |
| 18:03.36 | pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6-IVPOANW0 |
| 18:03.38 | summatusmentis | there are some rough injuries that come out of jumping off stuff on that resort mountain |
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| 18:04.41 | pupnik | yeah |
| 18:07.49 | summatusmentis | OMG |
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| 18:08.02 | summatusmentis | where is that at? up the tram? |
| 18:09.48 | pupnik | yeah well i was happy enough to do my first 12 foot jumps and stuff |
| 18:10.01 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody, N810 + Diablo? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2501 |
| 18:10.24 | pupnik | and none of us had the balls for corbet's so that was ok |
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| 18:10.35 | Anunakin | General, where we can find diablo!? |
| 18:10.45 | GeneralAntilles | Anunakin, see the thread on itT |
| 18:11.02 | Anunakin | Yes sir! |
| 18:11.11 | summatusmentis | pupnik: yeah, there's no way I'm good enough to do that |
| 18:11.46 | pupnik | i don't see how you could stay standing on a snowboard |
| 18:12.21 | summatusmentis | a shit-ton of traversals, quickly, and riding one edge the entire time |
| 18:12.25 | summatusmentis | maybe |
| 18:12.47 | pupnik | is digging for his jackson hole pics |
| 18:12.51 | summatusmentis | or you could just go, close your eyes, and see if it works :) |
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| 18:27.27 | dannym | hi |
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| 18:28.22 | dannym | I'm trying to port VICE (Commodore Emulator) over and I just wondered whether Maemo has any limitations in the X font support... can't find "mkfontdir" or "bdftopcf", for example... |
| 18:30.48 | summatusmentis | GAN800: what frequency does Xohm use? This company in Jackson is Bridgemaxx, part of Digitalbridge. They're using the 2.3ghz spectrum |
| 18:31.26 | GeneralAntilles | 2.5 |
| 18:33.57 | summatusmentis | would that make a differnce in throughput? |
| 18:34.33 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 18:35.31 | summatusmentis | does Xohm just not have a large enough backbone? how is this company getting better speeds than Xohm? |
| 18:36.13 | AStorm | dannym: well, mkfontdir is part of X I think |
| 18:36.32 | AStorm | bdftopcf too |
| 18:36.40 | AStorm | might be separate packages on Maemo |
| 18:39.10 | GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, it's just the pricing levels. |
| 18:39.14 | GeneralAntilles | Xohm goes up to $60 |
| 18:39.20 | GeneralAntilles | at 5 or 7Mbps or something. |
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| 18:42.30 | dannym | AStorm: hmmm... how do I find out which package will contain it? My Debian knowledge is a bit rusty... |
| 18:42.45 | dannym | does* |
| 18:42.49 | AStorm | hmm, dunno, ask someone else |
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| 18:52.27 | GeneralAntilles | Who wants to start working through this (http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/4.0.1/4.0_vs_4.0.1_content_comparison.html) to put together a package list for the open/closed justification/petitioning outlined here? http://wiki.maemo.org/Increasing_transparency |
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| 18:58.35 | mgedmin | what's 4.0.1? |
| 18:58.40 | mgedmin | I thought diablo was 4.1 |
| 18:58.44 | GeneralAntilles | Diablo is 4.1 |
| 18:58.57 | GeneralAntilles | 4.0.1 is 50-2 |
| 18:59.05 | GeneralAntilles | 4.0 is pre-50-2 |
| 18:59.28 | GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/maemo_4_0_1_released.html |
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| 19:07.28 | lcuk | is there a command line way to power cycle the device properly |
| 19:07.46 | penguinbait | shutdown -r now |
| 19:07.47 | GeneralAntilles | reboot |
| 19:07.48 | penguinbait | ? |
| 19:08.18 | lcuk | im not sure, thats why im asking.. does that do a complete restart or is it still the fake one dropping to charger |
| 19:08.46 | GeneralAntilles | You have to unplug the charger for it to reboot totally. |
| 19:08.52 | beford | hmm |
| 19:08.52 | penguinbait | I think if you are plugged in, it will always do the " fake" |
| 19:08.58 | penguinbait | yes what he said |
| 19:09.00 | GeneralAntilles | It has to be booted to charge, so it's always^ |
| 19:09.23 | beford | My devices doesn't start, It keeps rebooting at the progress bar indicator |
| 19:09.26 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I was imagining a small script which took a list of all the packages on a device and checked for source at repository.maemo.org |
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| 19:09.32 | Jaffa | ...as a starting point at least |
| 19:09.37 | lcuk | no it doesnt. it charges fine if i pop the battery and put it in. it could quite happily survive a cold start |
| 19:09.54 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, sounds a lot more sensible. ;) |
| 19:10.18 | lcuk | reboot and shutdown now found by the way |
| 19:10.25 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, no it doesn't what? |
| 19:10.47 | lcuk | it doesnt need to still be running to be waiting to charge |
| 19:10.52 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: the small problem is that I'm on holiday tomorrow for two weeks, in communicado; so any input into the 100 Days ends tonight when I shut stuff down and go off to France |
| 19:11.21 | penguinbait | lcuk, what he said is its already running, when it says its off and charging |
| 19:11.34 | penguinbait | I think, is what GA was saying? |
| 19:11.43 | GeneralAntilles | If you want it to charge, it has to be booted |
| 19:11.52 | GeneralAntilles | so either you've already got it booted, or it takes care of it itself |
| 19:12.00 | lcuk | yer, so if the charger is disconnected when i turn off, is the machine still running the "waiting for charger" app, or is it actually off |
| 19:12.00 | GeneralAntilles | either way, you can't shut it down when the charger is in. |
| 19:12.10 | GeneralAntilles | It's off, of course. . . . |
| 19:12.20 | penguinbait | no charger in, and off = off |
| 19:12.37 | lardman | Jaffa: 100 days? ;) |
| 19:12.40 | penguinbait | charger in, and off = on (to some degree) |
| 19:12.49 | lcuk | so what is running if i turn it off with charger in and then pull out charger - is the charging app running but with all screen off? |
| 19:13.04 | Jaffa | lardman: OK, any input into the *start* of the 100 Days and the end of the brainstorm, ends tonight when I shut down :-) |
| 19:13.08 | lardman | :) |
| 19:13.09 | lcuk | or does it shutdown itself then |
| 19:13.12 | beford | My device keeps rebooting at start, if I take the microsd out, it boots normally |
| 19:13.18 | lardman | lcuk: it keeps running |
| 19:13.29 | penguinbait | bedford, is it boot from SD? |
| 19:13.31 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, it'll turn off after you pull the charger. |
| 19:13.32 | beford | no |
| 19:13.42 | mgedmin | I've heard that bad sd cards can cause boot problems |
| 19:13.45 | mgedmin | interesting |
| 19:13.50 | lardman | lcuk: you can tell as you can't flash if you shut down with the charger in, even if you pull it out afterwards |
| 19:13.53 | lcuk | but without any input or output. ie no different to when you shutoff without charger. is there any way to tell if it ever actually goes off? |
| 19:13.54 | mgedmin | bad cards or just badly inserted ones |
| 19:14.01 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: I don't think sp |
| 19:14.02 | penguinbait | never seen or heard of that |
| 19:14.11 | lcuk | perfect lardman :) thanks |
| 19:14.12 | GeneralAntilles | If you pull the charger when it's in charge mode, the device shuts down. |
| 19:14.14 | lcuk | thats enough to know |
| 19:14.22 | beford | penguinbait, the only 'weird' thing I remember havingi nstalled recently is maemo-pc connectivity |
| 19:14.28 | penguinbait | I did have my 810 internal card go read-only on me, but it still booted, you just could not install anything |
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| 19:14.45 | Jaffa | penguinbait: that'll be the partition size issue, I bet |
| 19:14.48 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: So if you plugged it in when it was completely off -> charge mode, then unplug and it switches off? |
| 19:14.49 | penguinbait | what is maemo-pc connectivity |
| 19:14.55 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: I've not tried that combo |
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| 19:15.18 | GeneralAntilles | It also shuts down if you turn it "off" with the charger plugged in, the pull the charger when it's in charge mode. |
| 19:15.21 | GeneralAntilles | At least for me. |
| 19:15.24 | beford | penguinbait, its a development package I believe, it enables a couple of things like remote scratchbox shell, and usb networking |
| 19:15.33 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, how do you know its off though? |
| 19:16.04 | beford | penguinbait, but when I try to enable usb networking manually, I get a message that says, 'unable to insert module'. going to try to uninstall if and check if that fix it |
| 19:16.05 | penguinbait | GA scans it with his mind, and just knows |
| 19:16.07 | lcuk | im only curious cos i cant get mine to turn off and it needs a reboot |
| 19:16.21 | lcuk | im trying to save myself the pop the battery route |
| 19:16.58 | penguinbait | I am confused, pull the power cord, and run shutdown -r now |
| 19:17.06 | penguinbait | whats the issue? |
| 19:17.20 | lcuk | something has borkened in xv and it wont come back no matter how many actual reboot methods ive tried, i know it will work if i pop the battery because its happened before |
| 19:17.52 | lcuk | my program and others fail to start (gtk ones) its resolvable by a proper battery out reboot |
| 19:18.06 | lardman | lcuk: you can test by using the flasher tool to do something (do a query on R&D flags for example). |
| 19:18.41 | lcuk | ive got it here, i know something is still not initialized correctly because it wont reboot |
| 19:18.47 | GeneralAntilles | Just tested it, lcuk, works fine. |
| 19:18.53 | GeneralAntilles | Entered flashing mode. |
| 19:19.06 | lcuk | ive now tried all possible combinations and liqbase fails to start |
| 19:19.33 | lcuk | ive popped battery.. |
| 19:20.35 | lcuk | and its worked |
| 19:20.47 | lcuk | hmmm hardware? |
| 19:21.52 | mgedmin | hmm |
| 19:21.54 | mgedmin | dsp? |
| 19:22.05 | lcuk | dont touch it |
| 19:22.10 | mgedmin | btw my n810's internal card got corrupted again |
| 19:22.26 | lcuk | im thinking lcd - its something in x, some new windows wont open |
| 19:22.31 | mgedmin | how's xv scaling implemented? |
| 19:22.32 | lcuk | ooooer |
| 19:22.52 | mgedmin | does it use the dsp, some other hardware scaler, or is everything done in sw? |
| 19:22.53 | lcuk | lcd hardware - bits are sent at arbitary resolution prescaled, lcd upscales |
| 19:23.01 | mgedmin | ok |
| 19:23.20 | lcuk | prescaled =unscaled |
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| 19:23.51 | lcuk | nm, it works again now |
| 19:24.16 | chi800 | hi, is there a detailed manual for usbcontrol somwhere? |
| 19:24.20 | beford | ok, that didn't work :/ should I reflash it? |
| 19:24.47 | penguinbait | woo hoo, the boss is gone, the work days done |
| 19:25.16 | lardman | :) |
| 19:25.40 | beford | hmm after a couple of reboots it starts ok |
| 19:25.52 | beford | going to check if there is anything on messages |
| 19:26.31 | mgedmin | you've got syslog? |
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| 19:30.18 | beford | checked dmesg, I see a couple of errors that say mmcblk1 I/O error |
| 19:30.34 | beford | attempt to access beyond end of device |
| 19:31.15 | lardman | ~lart 16bit chars |
| 19:31.15 | infobot | executes killall -KILL 16bit chars |
| 19:31.47 | mgedmin | cheers |
| 19:33.53 | lardman | hmm, confused myself |
| 19:34.15 | lardman | trying to keep some arrays with packed data, and some only filling the bottom halves |
| 19:35.52 | chi800 | i have a usb kb that only needs 50 mA, but usbcontrol doesn't give it a device ID, any ideas on what could be wrong? |
| 19:40.09 | lardman | yay, fixed the crc code |
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| 19:42.35 | beford | is there any way to enable a verbose boot mode or something similar? |
| 19:44.24 | GeneralAntilles | framebuffer console |
| 19:44.30 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, but it's mildly involved |
| 19:44.36 | GeneralAntilles | and I'm not sure of the steps off-hand. |
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| 19:51.12 | Jaffa | gets a self-important pleasure at seeing his p.m.o posts go to double-digit favouriting and that it breaks the CSS a tiny bit :-) |
| 19:52.33 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 19:52.38 | GeneralAntilles | Bugzilla time. ;) |
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| 19:53.25 | GeneralAntilles | I wish it would keep me logged in at maemo.org |
| 19:53.55 | beford | oh, the mmc that is failing seems to be the internal one |
| 19:54.36 | beford | Buffer I/O error on device mmcb1k0p1, logical block XXX |
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| 20:20.35 | dneary | Jaffa: Was it you or GeneralAntilles who did the front page? I can't remember now |
| 20:20.49 | dneary | And I noticed that you are a bit of a templates whizz :) |
| 20:21.06 | GeneralAntilles | I started it, Jaffa did a lot of a refinement |
| 20:21.10 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade did some CSS stuff. |
| 20:21.15 | dneary | Ah, OK |
| 20:21.32 | dneary | So I wasn't quite 100% wrong earlier when I gave you credit for the front page design :) |
| 20:21.48 | GeneralAntilles | No, it's my design |
| 20:21.57 | GeneralAntilles | It's just been worked on a lot by others, too. ;) |
| 20:23.00 | flo_lap | re |
| 20:23.42 | GeneralAntilles | Hi, flo_lap. |
| 20:24.48 | dneary | You know, I'm not convinced that templates are approriate for (say) the front page |
| 20:25.18 | dneary | I'm used to seeing them be for things like warnings, headers, footers, but not for actual page content |
| 20:25.49 | dneary | It makes it a bit trickier to figure out where to go to add links to the sections |
| 20:25.53 | dneary | What do you think? |
| 20:26.02 | GeneralAntilles | Eh, maybe, it's the method wikipedia uses. |
| 20:26.14 | GeneralAntilles | Makes the code a bit cleaner. |
| 20:26.23 | dneary | Maybe |
| 20:26.32 | GeneralAntilles | I'd say it's up to whomever is doing most of the front page work. ;) |
| 20:26.50 | dneary | If I could find a link to Template:** without having to edit Main_Page, I'd be happier :) |
| 20:27.36 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe put together a dneary/Front page page with all the front page templates? |
| 20:27.51 | GeneralAntilles | Or Front page:Templates |
| 20:27.53 | GeneralAntilles | or something |
| 20:28.07 | dneary | GeneralAntilles: Or put the templates in a category? |
| 20:28.16 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, that's on my list. |
| 20:28.22 | GeneralAntilles | I should've already been doing that. . . |
| 20:28.33 | dneary | __HIDDEN_TEMPLATES__, with [[Category:Templates]] |
| 20:28.50 | dneary | has also been learning about MediaWiki |
| 20:28.56 | GeneralAntilles | <noinclude>[[Category:Templates]]</noinclude> |
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| 20:30.19 | GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Special:Allpages&namespace=10 |
| 20:31.17 | GeneralAntilles | This might be worth bookmarking: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Namespace |
| 20:31.36 | befr0d_ | Cluster 999603 is unreadable. |
| 20:31.36 | befr0d_ | Cluster 999604 is unreadable. |
| 20:31.36 | befr0d_ | Free cluster summary wrong (999602 vs. really 979122) |
| 20:31.58 | befr0d_ | I just fscked the internal memory, hope that fixes it |
| 20:31.59 | GeneralAntilles | befr0d_, did you ever reformat the internal card after getting the N810? |
| 20:32.05 | befr0d_ | nop |
| 20:32.07 | GeneralAntilles | It ships with an oversized partition table. |
| 20:32.12 | GeneralAntilles | So you'll need to remake it. |
| 20:32.32 | befr0d_ | ok so, that's what fsck just fixed, right? |
| 20:32.44 | dbbddbdb_ | What journaling filesystem would you recommend? |
| 20:32.53 | dbbddbdb_ | Are there any general-use filesystems that don't stress the flash by keeping a journal in a single place of a disk and constantly rewriting it? |
| 20:33.06 | dneary | GeneralAntilles: Any idea why the Help pages that were there have been removed? |
| 20:33.16 | GeneralAntilles | Which help pages? |
| 20:33.30 | dneary | Help, Help:Editing, etc |
| 20:33.50 | dneary | MediaWiki syntax & help pages, |
| 20:34.09 | dneary | (click on Help in the left navigation panel) |
| 20:34.34 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe X-Fade accidentally did something when he was messing with the sidebar? |
| 20:34.34 | GeneralAntilles | dunno |
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| 20:37.32 | dneary | I'll ask him tomorrow |
| 20:38.52 | befr0d | GeneralAntilles, ok fsck didnt fix the boot problem, how should I create the partition? gparted, whole space vfat type, right? |
| 20:39.06 | GeneralAntilles | That should do it, befr0d. |
| 20:40.38 | GeneralAntilles | dneary, when you do the midgard move, can you have the script append a note to all of the ex-midgard articles? I'm thinking something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Cleanup to note that it's an ex-midgard article and the syntax may need cleanup to fit with the mediawiki. |
| 20:40.57 | GeneralAntilles | That'll give us a list of all the old midgard articles, too, and after somebody cleans it up they can just delete the tag. |
| 20:42.57 | GeneralAntilles | dneary, http://wiki.maemo.org/Category:Template |
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| 20:48.30 | befr0d | gparted doesn't recognize the current partition :S |
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| 20:52.36 | dneary | GeneralAntilles: Great! |
| 20:52.37 | dneary | Thanks |
| 20:52.58 | beford | Nokia should fix the partition problem :P |
| 20:53.31 | lardman | gets his hopes up that he's fixed the problem.... |
| 20:53.37 | AStorm | beford: sure they should |
| 20:53.42 | AStorm | it's simple enough to fix |
| 20:53.44 | lardman | is thinking of a different problem though |
| 21:05.13 | hrw | hi |
| 21:05.13 | lardman | hey hrw |
| 21:05.13 | beford | I hope that's the thing that makes my n810 reboots severals time at start up, i've just repartitioned the internal mmc, gonna see if it work |
| 21:05.13 | hrw | GeneralAntilles: great work on templates |
| 21:05.13 | GeneralAntilles | Thanks |
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| 21:05.13 | AStorm | beford: which version of OS2008 do you have? |
| 21:05.13 | beford | lastest, I had to flash to be able to install skype |
| 21:05.13 | beford | RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.51-3 |
| 21:05.14 | lardman | ooo, you little beauty :) |
| 21:05.14 | AStorm | beford: mhm, should work |
| 21:05.14 | lardman | sbc encoder works :) |
| 21:05.14 | pH5 | cheers |
| 21:05.14 | pupnik | http://thisjune5th.com/ withdraw your money from the bank today ;) |
| 21:05.18 | RST38h | back |
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| 21:05.19 | qgil | hi there |
| 21:05.19 | qgil | https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 |
| 21:05.19 | lardman | hi qgil |
| 21:05.19 | qgil | can someone put this URL in the #maemo topic please? |
| 21:05.19 | qgil | also, at least from my point of view https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days has all the pre-agreed tasks in place |
| 21:05.19 | qgil | please hurry if you want to propose new tasks for the 100 days |
| 21:05.19 | hrw | hi qgil |
| 21:05.19 | GeneralAntilles | Hey, qgil. |
| 21:05.19 | qgil | there are some proposals still under discussion: help pushing them if you think they are urgent |
| 21:05.19 | *** topic/#maemo by hrw -> Development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets | http://maemo.org | http://freedesktop.org/Software/sbox2/Maemo | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | http://www.gronmayer.com/it | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook | Quim Gil's talk at LinuxTag http://www.archive.org/details/QuimGil-MaemoLinuxtag2008Update | https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 |
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| 21:05.20 | qgil | it would be great if someone could do a similar process of creating new pages for the objectives proposed at https://wiki.maemo.org/2010_Agenda |
| 21:05.20 | qgil | although the time pressure for the 2010 agenda is not so big |
| 21:05.20 | hrw | hmm.. OSiM.. |
| 21:05.20 | qgil | lardman, can it be that you haven't sent your expenses? please do it :) |
| 21:05.20 | lcuk | have you got mine quim? |
| 21:05.20 | lardman | qgil: Good point, sorry been busy since I got back to work |
| 21:05.20 | qgil | lcuk: yes, but just saw the email in my mobile - did you send a signed form - scanned or pictured? |
| 21:05.21 | qgil | hrw: hi, OSIM, yes |
| 21:05.42 | AStorm | hmmm, I'm not sure if it's possible, but a repository with all the Nokia not yet opened stuff would be great |
| 21:05.42 | lcuk | took a photo of my signed bill and sent it along with the mail, if you require originals at any time i have a duplicate |
| 21:05.42 | AStorm | unless it's already done |
| 21:05.42 | qgil | AStorm: please check the wiki since something along these lines is already proposed |
| 21:05.47 | AStorm | so that one doesn't have to reflash if he removes a media-player and wants it back for instance |
| 21:05.47 | AStorm | great! |
| 21:06.00 | qgil | lcuk: not only the bill, also the form signed by you |
| 21:06.16 | lcuk | ahhhh no, i will do that and send to you |
| 21:06.27 | lcuk | goes and prints it |
| 21:06.30 | qgil | signatures are important to accountants :) |
| 21:06.33 | beford | :/ did not work AStorm |
| 21:06.40 | beford | should I try to reflash it? |
| 21:06.41 | lcuk | yes of course |
| 21:07.03 | qgil | alright, late in Helsinki (but still some daylight, amazing) |
| 21:07.04 | AStorm | beford: hmm, you fixed the partitioning of internal flash? |
| 21:07.05 | qgil | two things |
| 21:07.19 | qgil | 1. We *really* want to see you there. You won't regret. |
| 21:07.39 | beford | AStorm, yea, I just did that. The original problem is that the devices reboots at start up a couple of times, and then starts normaly |
| 21:07.42 | beford | normally |
| 21:07.43 | RST38h | what is the mime type for .install files? |
| 21:07.54 | qgil | 2. Any berliner/german around? We are looking for a venue (the best candidate wasn't appropriate after all) |
| 21:08.02 | hrw | qgil: I like OSiM location. Berlin is quite close for me |
| 21:08.04 | AStorm | beford: hmm, check if battery is loose - seen that then ;> |
| 21:08.32 | qgil | well, OSiM location is a 5 star hotel, which is a bit overdone for a maemo summit |
| 21:09.01 | hrw | qgil: hotel is other thing ;) |
| 21:09.04 | qgil | we have some budget, but we rather spending sponsoring people and food instead of paying for luxury |
| 21:09.30 | lardman | OSiM sounds good to me, going to be a busy week that one |
| 21:09.53 | pupnik | reviews 2010 and 100days |
| 21:09.54 | AStorm | hmm, september 19th... sounds nice |
| 21:09.57 | lardman | X-Fade: You still here? I've got some "proper" news for you now :) |
| 21:10.08 | AStorm | well, 100days doesn't have what I was thinking about yet |
| 21:10.16 | qgil | the time is good for us, Berlin is well placed in the map and a business-centric conference can't harm maemo contributors nowadays ;) |
| 21:10.42 | AStorm | hmm, maybe it's on Identifying_transparency |
| 21:10.47 | qgil | AStorm: because what you ask for is impossible in 100Days, basically ;) |
| 21:11.07 | qgil | look the Transparency link and the 2010 agenda |
| 21:11.31 | AStorm | qgil: well, it's simple |
| 21:11.41 | qgil | re-reads above |
| 21:11.52 | AStorm | just make a binary repository with the .debs that are in the standard flash image |
| 21:11.55 | pupnik | The journalism experience shows: "In short: It should be friendly, understandable, deliberately incomplete, offer only the very best the community can give at any time." ;) |
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| 21:12.14 | AStorm | some that are there are nowhere to fetch from |
| 21:12.15 | lcuk | hmmm incomplete |
| 21:12.52 | pupnik | yes the poitn being to invite ongoing participation |
| 21:13.04 | qgil | ah, I see, this is indeed something that nobody have proposed before in the brainstorm as far as I remember |
| 21:13.21 | hrw | AStorm: for Nokia image which you flash is one package |
| 21:13.29 | qgil | propose, explain the reasons why and I will look at it - need to ask some people |
| 21:13.36 | GeneralAntilles | It'll be something of a non-issue with SSU, though, wont it? |
| 21:13.49 | AStorm | hrw: heh, not exactly - it's built from subpackages, as you can see |
| 21:13.54 | GeneralAntilles | I guess the SSU repo will only contain UPDATED stuff, but eventually that SHOULD be everything. |
| 21:14.11 | AStorm | yes, that would be it |
| 21:14.28 | AStorm | hmm, how to phrase it nicely enough for the wiki :-) |
| 21:14.43 | qgil | I leave this to you :) |
| 21:14.54 | qgil | time for me to zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz - good night! |
| 21:14.59 | GeneralAntilles | 'night, qgil. |
| 21:15.03 | lcuk | gnite qgil |
| 21:15.13 | lardman | night |
| 21:15.15 | AStorm | yes, time for so-called sleep |
| 21:15.17 | AStorm | night people |
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| 21:15.25 | beford | night AStorm |
| 21:15.29 | GeneralAntilles | Later |
| 21:15.34 | beford | I'll try to reflash it |
| 21:17.42 | RST38h | All right, I am now suporting .install files. Please test http://fms.komkon.org/Maemo/ |
| 21:18.02 | hrw | hmm.. I need to buy bigger stapler |
| 21:18.03 | RST38h | All right, I am now supporting .install file generation. Please try fms.komkon.org/Maemo |
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| 21:18.31 | RST38h | Test |
| 21:18.43 | pupnik | xterm: no results :) |
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| 21:20.01 | pupnik | RST38h: does section and repository need to be selected? |
| 21:20.18 | pupnik | and why do i keep thinking you're french... |
| 21:21.06 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, what's the difference between the two icons? (intentionally stupid question) |
| 21:21.19 | RST38h | pupnik: no |
| 21:21.27 | RST38h | it will be optional when implemented |
| 21:21.42 | pupnik | what is a known working search term? |
| 21:21.44 | RST38h | GA: First one downloads .deb directly, second one downloads .install file |
| 21:21.49 | RST38h | pupnik: fmsx will do |
| 21:21.54 | RST38h | or canola |
| 21:21.59 | RST38h | or omweather |
| 21:22.01 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, http://maemo.org/downloads/product/raw/OS2008/sdlquake/?get_installfile |
| 21:22.19 | beford | http://fms.komkon.org/Maemo/index.php?Action=list&Platform=OS2008&Arg=%27%22%3E%3Cscript%3Ealert(/xss/)%3C/script%3E xss ftw |
| 21:22.20 | GeneralAntilles | Personally, I think the direct .deb download should be featured much less prominently. |
| 21:22.30 | GeneralAntilles | As it's (by a larger margin) the less preferred method. |
| 21:22.34 | RST38h | maybe |
| 21:22.47 | GeneralAntilles | You don't really want newbies clicking it. |
| 21:23.06 | GeneralAntilles | It should only be there for convenience sake for people who know what they're doing it. |
| 21:23.12 | pupnik | ok fmsx without OS, section or repository worked. Specifiying OS2007 produced 0 hits. |
| 21:23.28 | GeneralAntilles | Rather, I wanted this URL, RST38h: http://maemo.org/midcom-static/style_maemo2007/install_button_small.png |
| 21:23.28 | pupnik | logically i suppose |
| 21:23.40 | pupnik | nice resource RST38h |
| 21:23.47 | lardman | lcuk: Did Quim want hard-copies or scans? |
| 21:23.48 | RST38h | beford:beford: is it a hack? |
| 21:23.49 | GeneralAntilles | Or this: http://maemo.org/midcom-static/style_maemo2007/install_button.png |
| 21:24.05 | RST38h | GA: Will put them in |
| 21:24.07 | lcuk | scan or photo of it printed and signed |
| 21:24.14 | RST38h | GA: please give me one for download as well |
| 21:24.16 | lardman | cool, thanks |
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| 21:24.38 | GeneralAntilles | That one I haven't got so handy, RST38h. |
| 21:24.40 | RST38h | GA: Oh you mean the arrow |
| 21:24.44 | edistar_ | hi there, anyone here who has the OS 2007 HE running and ogg support up? I installed the mogg package but it doesn't seem to work |
| 21:24.45 | lcuk | i had signed bill and sent that but didnt sign the expenses form |
| 21:24.45 | GeneralAntilles | At least not maemo-themed. |
| 21:24.55 | RST38h | GA: I would use it but I need 2 icons of the same size and style at the moment |
| 21:25.05 | RST38h | Unless I have two, can't use it |
| 21:25.10 | lardman | lcuk: Cool |
| 21:25.22 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I really would de-emphasize the direct .deb download |
| 21:25.53 | GeneralAntilles | As it would both free up a column for a wider description field and alleviate newbie confusion. |
| 21:25.54 | RST38h | Maybe but for now I need both of them |
| 21:26.06 | GeneralAntilles | and sticking with the maemo-icons is a high priority. |
| 21:26.32 | beford | RST38h, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-site_scripting |
| 21:27.12 | beford | RST38h, if you have something like a forum, weblog, etc hosted under the same domain, it may allow to some users steal data from other users |
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| 21:31.55 | lcuk | what can i crop and edit video with? |
| 21:32.08 | lcuk | ive just done a quick few minutes with my program and i wanna cull the cruft |
| 21:32.20 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I've been adding usage information to my templates (see http://wiki.maemo.org/Template:Plan_metadata for example) wrapped in <noinclude>...</noinclude> |
| 21:33.13 | GAN800 | Yeah, a documentation template for templates is also on my list. |
| 21:33.44 | hrw | -> bed |
| 21:34.31 | RST38h | beford: I will fix it in a moment |
| 21:34.51 | GeneralAntilles | I wish there were some sort of basic "wikipedia templates and styles" plugin you could add to a mediawiki install. |
| 21:35.15 | Jaffa | wonders if it's bad etiquette to push his own Community Council idea to the pre-agreed bit of 100Days. qgil's semi-agreed (or caved in), and there's been a few voices of support *and* 11 favourites on the blog post. Still, seems a bit... pushy. |
| 21:35.35 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: yeah, annoyed I couldn't get a nice styled table in Plan_metadata without doing it all by hand. |
| 21:36.04 | GeneralAntilles | We need to push as much of the style stuff to a central style sheet as possible. |
| 21:36.21 | Jaffa | Ah, it was done already in Task:Community_Council, ta GeneralAntilles |
| 21:36.34 | GeneralAntilles | Thank qgil |
| 21:36.57 | Jaffa | Ah, indeed. |
| 21:37.08 | Jaffa | didn't scroll down far enough in the Recent changes. |
| 21:37.14 | Jaffa | goes off to holiday happy now. Well, later. |
| 21:37.18 | Jaffa | Spod first. Sleep later. |
| 21:37.38 | GeneralAntilles | Have fun, Jaffa. |
| 21:37.41 | GeneralAntilles | Catch yah on the flip side. |
| 21:37.56 | Jaffa | Oh tomorrow evening when I'm trying to escape my mother-in-law on the layover ;-) |
| 21:40.01 | Jaffa | beds. G'night, see y'all later. |
| 21:40.28 | lardman | Night all, see you tomorrow |
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| 21:43.45 | lcuk | select a video to upload |
| 21:44.17 | lcuk | isnt very patient tonight |
| 21:44.35 | GeneralAntilles | throws molasses on lcuk. |
| 21:45.07 | lcuk | im pacing, even the missus just commented.. |
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| 21:47.01 | lcuk | uses a hand crank on his internet |
| 21:47.21 | GeneralAntilles | This make sense to anybody? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3226 |
| 21:47.53 | lcuk | yes, the header can then be used in c++ |
| 21:48.23 | GeneralAntilles | Want to put a comment elaborating a bit since the submitter didn't bother? |
| 21:50.08 | lcuk | another account i dont have? |
| 21:50.40 | lcuk | this is what i believe he thinks is required: http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/mixing-c-and-cpp.html#faq-32.4 |
| 21:51.04 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, think of it as an opportunity. :P |
| 21:51.45 | lcuk | no, ive joined too many places tonight/thisweek, the credit line on my password memory is getting low |
| 21:52.04 | lcuk | i need to give things time to bed in or i wont remember them |
| 21:52.36 | lcuk | still waiting for youtube |
| 21:52.43 | lcuk | its only 59mb |
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| 21:54.36 | GeneralAntilles | How can you go to maemo conferences and not have a bugzilla account? . . . |
| 21:55.14 | sp3000 | because the conf registration isn't in bugzilla :P |
| 21:56.39 | hans-castorp | yeo people |
| 21:56.41 | sp3000 | GeneralAntilles: re 3226, the submitter is in channel |
| 21:57.19 | GeneralAntilles | dougt, mind elaborating on #3226? |
| 21:57.26 | zpol | hi |
| 21:57.51 | rm_you_ | HA back |
| 21:58.03 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, you totally missed X-Fade. |
| 21:58.09 | rm_you | >_< |
| 21:58.09 | GeneralAntilles | By, like, miles upon miles upon miles. |
| 21:58.12 | lcuk | ~lart the internet |
| 21:58.12 | infobot | teaches the internet the basics, including how to RTM |
| 21:58.17 | rm_you | yeah was gone for like 4 days |
| 21:58.24 | rm_you | lol |
| 21:59.06 | GeneralAntilles | I can't find the URL for the Extras access request form, now. :P |
| 21:59.10 | rm_you | yeah |
| 21:59.12 | rm_you | >_< |
| 22:00.08 | GeneralAntilles | So total fail. :P |
| 22:00.27 | GeneralAntilles | Anyway, should be in the vicinity of one of your highlights |
| 22:01.13 | rm_you | >_> |
| 22:01.23 | rm_you | i dont think my logs go back much further than about yesterday |
| 22:01.25 | rm_you | if that |
| 22:01.26 | lcuk | oh shitbags |
| 22:03.10 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, here it is: https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php?target=invitation_request |
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| 22:08.09 | rm_you | K, did a request |
| 22:08.38 | rm_you | so, i was TRYING to work on stuff again last weekend |
| 22:08.49 | rm_you | and was just getting frustrated |
| 22:09.10 | GeneralAntilles | Did you stomp around in a circle like a toddler having a tantrum? :P |
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| 22:09.41 | rm_you | I tried to impliment that stuff timeless sent and realized that has nothing to do with my issue, since i'm still almost positive they're somehow getting those GTK slider widgets into a HildonMenu somehow, which is how they get it to look and function that way |
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| 22:10.10 | GeneralAntilles | What's the issue when you try to do the same? |
| 22:10.12 | rm_you | also, i figured i should get the custom list icon working, and figured out that it is seemingly impossible to get custom icons to work |
| 22:10.37 | rm_you | i even swapped out the image files for every single applet in the list and it didnt change the image |
| 22:10.50 | rm_you | for any of them |
| 22:11.01 | rm_you | it's like they don't even use the images on the filesystem |
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| 22:11.15 | lcuk | is that a cache issue |
| 22:11.17 | rm_you | i think the statusbar list images are contained in the flash somewhere |
| 22:11.23 | rm_you | i rebooted like 4 times... |
| 22:11.40 | lcuk | which icons do you mean? |
| 22:11.45 | lcuk | like the power one |
| 22:11.57 | rm_you | control panel -> panels -> second tab |
| 22:12.18 | rm_you | the icons that show up next to their names in the list there |
| 22:12.26 | rm_you | the .desktop files show the image name to be used |
| 22:12.45 | rm_you | which are located in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/26x26/hildon/ |
| 22:13.12 | rm_you | for example, the bluetooth statusbar supposedly uses "/usr/share/icons/hicolor/26x26/hildon/qgn_list_cp_bluetooth.png" in the list |
| 22:13.30 | rm_you | but i can replace that image with any of the other ones or my own, and it never changes |
| 22:13.32 | rm_you | even on reboot |
| 22:13.50 | rm_you | and if i change the image in the .desktop to point to the SAME png file, just renamed, it won't work |
| 22:14.12 | rm_you | it then just has a blank space and no image |
| 22:14.58 | rm_you | but if you change the .desktop file to tell it to use a different statusbar applet's image, it changes immediately to that |
| 22:15.02 | lcuk | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12700 |
| 22:15.02 | rm_you | it just has to be one of the stock ones |
| 22:15.17 | dougt | GeneralAntilles: yeah, sorry. |
| 22:15.29 | lcuk | expand on your frustration on a post there rm, and then if it all gets resolved it can be clarified for the wiki |
| 22:15.52 | GeneralAntilles | No worries, just want to make sure things that can be fixed get fixed and good bug information is the first step on that path. ;) |
| 22:15.57 | GeneralAntilles | ls |
| 22:16.01 | GeneralAntilles | wrong window |
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| 22:16.26 | rm_you | lol |
| 22:17.20 | GeneralAntilles | Now I've just got to find the tablet I was just sshing into to test out the new CSS. . . . :\ |
| 22:26.04 | dougt | GeneralAntilles: updated. |
| 22:28.37 | GeneralAntilles | Looks good, dougt. |
| 22:28.55 | dougt | yeah, the bug report; not the problem. :-) |
| 22:29.08 | dougt | not sure if it is in the right component. |
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| 22:29.26 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I'm not sure, either. |
| 22:29.31 | GeneralAntilles | But I don't have a better answer. ;) |
| 22:29.44 | dougt | when in doubt, general! |
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| 22:30.17 | GeneralAntilles | OK, I set the milestone and version. If anybody wants to confirm and it ping me, I'll also confirm it. ;) |
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| 22:32.43 | dougt | is future a bad thing? |
| 22:34.46 | GeneralAntilles | dougt, nah, that should be default. |
| 22:35.02 | GeneralAntilles | Until somebody who can actually do something about it fixes it and tells us which version the fix will be in. |
| 22:35.30 | dougt | GeneralAntilles: i can fix it, i suppose. I can send a diff of the file correct. |
| 22:35.39 | dougt | corrected, even. :-) |
| 22:35.46 | GeneralAntilles | Providing a patch would be useful. |
| 22:35.55 | dougt | but I am not sure where in the world it would be checked into. |
| 22:36.08 | dougt | but it is a pretty trivial fix either way. |
| 22:36.21 | GeneralAntilles | Just add the patch as an attachment to the bug |
| 22:45.09 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: has anyone filed a bug about the icon thing that you're aware of? |
| 22:45.14 | rm_you | i guess i'm really asking anyone... |
| 22:45.24 | GeneralAntilles | No, rm_you. |
| 22:45.29 | GeneralAntilles | I think there's a cache, though. |
| 22:45.40 | GeneralAntilles | I remember seeing something on itT |
| 22:45.55 | rm_you | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12700 |
| 22:45.57 | rm_you | read my post |
| 22:46.09 | dneary | GeneralAntilles: https://wiki.maemo.org/MAG:Categorization |
| 22:46.21 | dneary | I did a bit of work this evening |
| 22:47.27 | rm_you | this is really making me hate working on maemo stuff >_> |
| 22:47.30 | jldiaz | hello |
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| 22:48.22 | jldiaz | I've installed screen for maemo. This is a piece of software I find very useful, and I'm glad that it was "maemized" |
| 22:48.52 | jldiaz | however, the "official" version has no support for 256 color terminals, which is a pity, because osso-xterm is a 256 color terminal |
| 22:48.52 | GeneralAntilles | Awesome, dneary. |
| 22:48.54 | rm_you | yes... <3 screen |
| 22:49.12 | dneary | GeneralAntilles: Gives a clear TODO list for the migration, which we were missing. |
| 22:49.17 | dneary | Which was my fault :) |
| 22:49.22 | GeneralAntilles | :P |
| 22:49.22 | jldiaz | So I tried to compile my own screen, from the sources, in scratchbox |
| 22:49.26 | jldiaz | but was unable to |
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| 22:50.18 | jldiaz | I'm thinking now about contact the person wich created the package screen_4.0.3-0.3osso2_armel.deb |
| 22:50.40 | jldiaz | and asking him to enable the support for 256 colors (it is only a switch in the configure) |
| 22:50.44 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, is there nothing on statusbar icons in the official documentation? |
| 22:51.05 | jldiaz | according with apt-cache info, the maintainer is maemo integration <integration@maemo.org> |
| 22:51.05 | rm_you | nope |
| 22:51.11 | jldiaz | is this a real person? |
| 22:51.18 | rm_you | i've looked and looked and looked |
| 22:51.31 | rm_you | they just say "set the desktop file like this" |
| 22:53.02 | GeneralAntilles | Try the mailing list? |
| 22:53.09 | GeneralAntilles | Probably net you a better response than itT, anyway. |
| 22:53.09 | lcuk | how long does youtube processing normally take |
| 22:54.33 | jldiaz | oh |
| 22:54.36 | jldiaz | silly of me |
| 22:54.46 | jldiaz | I was trying to compile the standard screen release |
| 22:55.06 | jldiaz | but now I issued an "apt-get source screen" in the scratchbox |
| 22:55.10 | jldiaz | and compiled that source code |
| 22:55.17 | jldiaz | that apparently is patched for osso |
| 22:55.25 | jldiaz | and it compiles now without problem |
| 22:55.34 | lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUPp_mE7rwI |
| 22:55.39 | jldiaz | so I can fix myself the 256 color issue! |
| 22:56.36 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=189180&postcount=5 ? |
| 22:57.11 | lcuk | trembles |
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| 22:58.28 | Maximander | How do I install build tools inside maemo dev env? sb2 apt-get install gengetopt doesn't work... |
| 22:58.39 | rm_you | *(@&$)(% |
| 22:59.31 | rm_you | oh god now all my icons are screwed up >_< |
| 22:59.39 | rm_you | ooo advanced backlight icon :P |
| 23:00.06 | rm_you | yay |
| 23:00.30 | GeneralAntilles | Pfft |
| 23:00.37 | GeneralAntilles | pokes rm_you with a stick. |
| 23:00.40 | GeneralAntilles | Feel better now? |
| 23:00.46 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, you're such a hooker |
| 23:00.46 | rm_you | very |
| 23:00.51 | GeneralAntilles | where's my binaries? :P |
| 23:01.12 | lcuk | theres an oldish one on my site |
| 23:01.24 | GeneralAntilles | Where are my new binaries? :P |
| 23:01.27 | GeneralAntilles | I've seen the old one. |
| 23:01.39 | lcuk | but its way out of date atm, i need real time to work on this and other ideas ive got |
| 23:02.17 | lcuk | could spend real time actually finalizing features and put energy towards packaging |
| 23:02.44 | lcuk | as it stands right now, everything is going smoothly enough that 10 years of waiting ideas are starting to come out |
| 23:04.06 | lcuk | i feel comfortable on this device and with the tools im building around me, and everything i finish leads to the bigger step i see re-opening back up |
| 23:04.53 | GeneralAntilles | I'd just get a book reader out the door first. |
| 23:05.43 | lcuk | book reader needs an interface for file selection. that needs an object model to handle it |
| 23:06.15 | lcuk | sketches are quite good ways to convey quick information so UI elements will be built out of those floating around |
| 23:06.48 | rm_you | ok, one down |
| 23:06.50 | rm_you | >_< |
| 23:06.57 | lcuk | like the menu system, i feel comfortable using it, its quick and simple, but doesnt work for files (I tried) |
| 23:08.00 | rm_you | ok, now to figure out how to do theme iconsets |
| 23:08.09 | lcuk | laying out of the sketches is almost a file selector, i was testing the scaling and rendering speed and aspect correctness of drawing and rendering at different resolutions |
| 23:08.57 | rm_you | anyone have any first thoughts on how I find out which theme is currently active? (in C) |
| 23:09.04 | lcuk | goto themes |
| 23:09.08 | lcuk | it opens with the current one |
| 23:09.26 | lcuk | -my help |
| 23:09.26 | rm_you | can I actually do it with a Gtk command or will it be hildon specific? |
| 23:09.31 | rm_you | lcuk: lol? |
| 23:09.34 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, didn't we figure that out before? |
| 23:09.44 | lcuk | i missed the (in c) bit, mine was interactive user |
| 23:09.48 | rm_you | no, because if i can figure THAT out, it's basically done |
| 23:09.50 | rm_you | yeah, :P |
| 23:10.03 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, we had this discussion about LCARS. |
| 23:10.06 | rm_you | right |
| 23:10.09 | GeneralAntilles | There's a Gtk method for it. |
| 23:10.12 | rm_you | thats what this is for |
| 23:10.16 | rm_you | right, i don't know what it is :P |
| 23:10.22 | rm_you | so it IS gtk? |
| 23:10.23 | GeneralAntilles | Search the logs, or something. :P |
| 23:10.27 | GeneralAntilles | I think so. |
| 23:10.28 | rm_you | hildon doesnt do its themes differently? |
| 23:10.48 | rm_you | like, if i say "what theme are we using" via the GTK command, it'll actually tell me "LCARS"?\ |
| 23:11.00 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 23:11.06 | GeneralAntilles | Something else uses it. |
| 23:11.20 | hans-castorp | yeo. does anyone know how to disable matchbox? |
| 23:12.02 | hans-castorp | so I can boot to the console? |
| 23:13.25 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: ah wow, its been a while... just went to add some code for gtk_icon_theme... it's already in there... with a whole "Comin soon!" comment block and a bunch of attempts >_< |
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| 23:13.38 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 23:13.54 | rm_you | damn. i havent worked on this in a LONG time have i |
| 23:14.08 | rm_you | that or i have horrible memory... which i THINK is true... i don't really remember |
| 23:14.36 | GeneralAntilles | It's been months. |
| 23:15.57 | GeneralAntilles | Proper theming setup, proper Hildon menu, settings dialog and you're done. |
| 23:16.22 | rm_you | heh... *proper* theming setup... |
| 23:16.38 | rm_you | was tempted to hardcore LCARs |
| 23:17.08 | GAN800 | Ha |
| 23:20.01 | GAN800 | Be nice to see some progress on the adv-connectivity applet. |
| 23:20.38 | lcuk | rm_you, do you listen for dbus events and change backlight and stuff according to it |
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| 23:20.56 | rm_you | lcuk: at the moment, no |
| 23:21.07 | rm_you | i should... :/ |
| 23:21.11 | lcuk | are you still writing to the /dev/brightness file or whatever it was |
| 23:21.14 | rm_you | no |
| 23:21.20 | lcuk | what method are you using now |
| 23:21.25 | rm_you | all using DSME for brightness |
| 23:21.28 | GAN800 | dsme |
| 23:21.34 | lcuk | cool |
| 23:21.45 | lcuk | can you get at cpu threshhold modes from in there? |
| 23:21.51 | rm_you | lcuk: don't know |
| 23:21.59 | rm_you | DSME is kind of an enigma |
| 23:22.04 | GAN800 | Be cool if there were a good way of interfacing with the light sensor, too. |
| 23:22.20 | lcuk | cos i would kinda like to change cpu performance anytime without having to load my program to do it for me |
| 23:22.44 | rm_you | no, doesnt look like it |
| 23:22.48 | GAN800 | Put together an applet, then, lcuk. |
| 23:22.53 | lcuk | though it makes no difference, the cpu on performance and no wifi lasts all day |
| 23:23.13 | rm_you | http://pastebin.ca/1039899 |
| 23:23.18 | lcuk | but thats a whole nother step of training gan, |
| 23:23.39 | GeneralAntilles | Hijacking adv-backlight will be easy. |
| 23:23.45 | rm_you | lcuk: ^^ |
| 23:23.46 | rm_you | lol |
| 23:24.03 | lcuk | for a very small purpose, meanwhile ive got the functions to change the cpu threshhold, and rm is writing desktop applets, collaboration would be good ;) |
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| 23:24.31 | rm_you | :P |
| 23:24.36 | rm_you | I could help out with that i suppose |
| 23:24.45 | lcuk | im serious, running this on performance makes entire desktop feel snappier |
| 23:24.50 | rm_you | you want one with a CPU slider? |
| 23:24.59 | lcuk | its just basically 3 options |
| 23:25.00 | rm_you | that would be handy for me too |
| 23:25.17 | rm_you | considering I need to up the CPU to play music over a2dp |
| 23:25.34 | GeneralAntilles | Well, hopefully not for long. |
| 23:25.34 | lcuk | powersave (always slow), ondemand (slowish, meant to speed up as required), performance (full speed) |
| 23:25.35 | rm_you | and right now i do it by changing the scaling file |
| 23:25.52 | rm_you | lcuk: doable... and could have a real menu :P |
| 23:25.58 | rm_you | since you don't need crazy widgets |
| 23:26.17 | rm_you | that wouldnt take too long if you give me the code for changing the cpu speed |
| 23:26.18 | lcuk | yes, well thats all ive wrapped around, but the functions are clean and know when things need changing :) |
| 23:26.33 | rm_you | lol |
| 23:27.02 | rm_you | couldn't you just make them into scripts and add them to osso-statusbar-cpu's menu> |
| 23:27.03 | rm_you | ? |
| 23:27.31 | GeneralAntilles | or Personal Menu |
| 23:28.35 | rm_you | so GeneralAntilles: do you think hardcoding the LCARs iconset would be ok? |
| 23:28.42 | rm_you | or do we want *proper* theming support |
| 23:28.43 | GeneralAntilles | No. :P |
| 23:28.48 | GeneralAntilles | Proper |
| 23:28.48 | rm_you | i can fo the first one in like... an hour |
| 23:28.57 | rm_you | the other one, estimated date TBA :P |
| 23:29.03 | johnx | hey rm_you |
| 23:29.06 | rm_you | sup johnx |
| 23:29.08 | GeneralAntilles | Package spam for one theme is lame. |
| 23:29.14 | rm_you | >_> |
| 23:29.21 | rm_you | well, I remain at a loss |
| 23:29.30 | GeneralAntilles | Is it documented in the gtk docs? |
| 23:29.30 | rm_you | this iconset stuff isn't actually what i wanted |
| 23:29.41 | rm_you | i think the theme is a Hildon thing not a GTK thing |
| 23:29.47 | rm_you | iconsets would be like... "hicolor" |
| 23:29.50 | rm_you | but EVERYTHING is in hicolor |
| 23:29.57 | rm_you | hildon themes are different |
| 23:30.25 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm, is there any open applet whose icon changes with the theme? |
| 23:30.33 | rm_you | ... |
| 23:31.17 | johnx | why not look at how the LCARS theme .deb actually does this |
| 23:31.18 | johnx | ? |
| 23:31.26 | GeneralAntilles | Does what? |
| 23:31.30 | GeneralAntilles | Installs icons? :P |
| 23:31.35 | johnx | I seem to recall someone saying they just replaced the icons anyways |
| 23:31.42 | rm_you | johnx: yes, possible |
| 23:31.48 | GeneralAntilles | The system stuff that doesn't change with the theme. |
| 23:31.54 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: HA! |
| 23:31.55 | GeneralAntilles | But the themable icons are handled by the applets. |
| 23:31.59 | rm_you | thanks johnx, i have an idea |
| 23:32.02 | johnx | in which case there isn't really theming support... |
| 23:32.17 | GeneralAntilles | The statusbar applets handle the theme change on their own. |
| 23:32.32 | GeneralAntilles | But, for instance, the boot image isn't themable. |
| 23:32.36 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: what if: we package iconsets their own debs, right? advanced-backlight-theme-lcars |
| 23:32.37 | rm_you | right? |
| 23:32.49 | rm_you | just follow me here |
| 23:32.55 | GeneralAntilles | I'm following. . . . |
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| 23:33.01 | rm_you | we have that installer move the old icons to like... ./old/ |
| 23:33.07 | rm_you | and then just put in the new icons |
| 23:33.21 | rm_you | WAIT |
| 23:33.22 | rm_you | no |
| 23:33.24 | rm_you | new idea |
| 23:33.26 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 23:33.27 | johnx | heh |
| 23:33.39 | rm_you | there are folders in the icons/adv-backlight/ folder |
| 23:33.41 | rm_you | original/ |
| 23:33.45 | GeneralAntilles | starts throwing scissors at rm_you to make it interesting. |
| 23:33.46 | rm_you | and then one for each iconset |
| 23:33.49 | rm_you | right? |
| 23:33.56 | GeneralAntilles | OK |
| 23:33.57 | rm_you | and then a symlink current/ |
| 23:34.14 | johnx | sure...isn't the hard part detecting theme change? |
| 23:34.14 | rm_you | and then when i add the options pane, it has a dropdown for each folder of icons |
| 23:34.14 | lcuk | http://www.pastebin.ca/1039908 |
| 23:34.18 | rm_you | and it just changes the symlink |
| 23:34.26 | rm_you | no, the user selects it |
| 23:34.31 | johnx | ah |
| 23:34.37 | johnx | fair enough |
| 23:34.37 | rm_you | it *works* |
| 23:34.42 | rm_you | most people would accept it probably |
| 23:34.46 | GeneralAntilles | Bleh |
| 23:34.48 | rm_you | and it actually lets you do other things too |
| 23:34.55 | GeneralAntilles | There's a perfectly good interface for doing the properly. |
| 23:34.59 | johnx | agrees |
| 23:35.00 | lcuk | john... http://www.youtube.com/v/PUPp_mE7rwI |
| 23:35.01 | GeneralAntilles | We just need to find somebody who has used it. |
| 23:35.09 | rm_you | johnx: agrees with me or him? |
| 23:35.09 | rm_you | :P |
| 23:35.21 | johnx | agrees with rm_you |
| 23:35.23 | rm_you | lol |
| 23:35.29 | rm_you | k, i'm doing it |
| 23:35.30 | GeneralAntilles | It's so dirty. |
| 23:35.34 | GeneralAntilles | symlink is gross, anyway. |
| 23:35.34 | rm_you | it's so... useful |
| 23:35.40 | GeneralAntilles | Why not just do the selection in the code? |
| 23:35.43 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, WTH do you want to do? |
| 23:35.44 | GeneralAntilles | Instead of the filesystem. . . . |
| 23:35.45 | rm_you | and it's decently clean considering the *alternative* i was discussing |
| 23:36.00 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, point |
| 23:36.02 | rm_you | pff, i guess i could |
| 23:36.07 | rm_you | fine |
| 23:36.10 | johnx | lcuk, watched it once. will watch again :) |
| 23:36.18 | rm_you | but still, that system works for you, right? |
| 23:36.26 | johnx | rm_you, why not prefix icons with default_foo.png, lcars_foo.png |
| 23:36.29 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, use the proper theme selector so there's no user-interaction involved in picking the correct icon set. ;) |
| 23:36.34 | pupnik | nice vid lcuk |
| 23:36.36 | rm_you | johnx: cluttered >_> |
| 23:36.42 | GeneralAntilles | As a stop-gap, I guess. |
| 23:36.49 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, which is fine, unless you *want* a different icon set |
| 23:37.07 | rm_you | which was my point with "and lets you do other stuff too" :P |
| 23:37.17 | rm_you | agrees with johnx |
| 23:37.18 | lcuk | heh pupnik, i had to get *something* up :) |
| 23:37.33 | rm_you | ok... i'm going to... take a shower, and think it over |
| 23:37.35 | pupnik | you just added text hilighting? |
| 23:37.40 | rm_you | when i get back i'll start coding |
| 23:38.04 | lcuk | lol, no its been there all along taunting me - i wanna do it, but ive been refactoring something else |
| 23:38.11 | GeneralAntilles | The way THAT should be done is that the default setting is to use the current theme's iconset, and that can be overridden in the prefs if the user wants to. |
| 23:38.18 | lcuk | everytime i scroll past it i think "of yer" |
| 23:38.21 | lcuk | oh yer |
| 23:38.32 | GeneralAntilles | OK, whatever, implement it, we'll figure out the correct method later. :P |
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| 23:38.38 | lcuk | and the bloody big PUPNIK optimise note keeps getting me |
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| 23:39.33 | pupnik | no worries mate |
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| 23:40.22 | johnx | lcuk, that is pretty damn slick :D |
| 23:40.30 | GeneralAntilles | Binaries! |
| 23:42.01 | rm_you | lcuk: does that read text only or can it do pdf? :P |
| 23:42.38 | pupnik | i took a .ps file to a print shop today and they didn't know what postscript was |
| 23:42.44 | rm_you | lol |
| 23:42.45 | pupnik | >_< |
| 23:42.48 | lcuk | well - as you can see i can render arbitary text at any location and scroll around it, is there a nice pdf parser around which would give me a page model? |
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| 23:42.55 | lcuk | holy poo pupnik |
| 23:43.01 | rm_you | no idea :/ |
| 23:43.04 | rm_you | ack, right, shower |
| 23:43.20 | rm_you | also: lcuk: BINARIES |
| 23:43.41 | lcuk | look hard enough if you are desperate, there is a preprepre release version around somewhere |
| 23:43.51 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 23:43.52 | rm_you | .... |
| 23:44.01 | rm_you | give us your current binary :P meanie |
| 23:44.01 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, this isn't the Windows world. :P |
| 23:44.17 | GeneralAntilles | We don't handle not being able to get ahold of stuff very well. |
| 23:44.32 | GeneralAntilles | and nobody cares if things aren't 100% up to speed. |
| 23:44.39 | rm_you | pass over the binary before I cry about source :P |
| 23:44.47 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 23:44.56 | GeneralAntilles | There's the other benefit |
| 23:45.04 | GeneralAntilles | We'll shut up about sources for a while if you give us binaries. |
| 23:45.05 | lcuk | well you will have to hold on more, i cant have you lot all creating data and stuff and me having to manage it and have legacy before ive even started. its all being rebuilt |
| 23:45.14 | rm_you | pft |
| 23:45.19 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 23:45.23 | rm_you | just release with "note: this will break on updates" |
| 23:45.29 | rm_you | seriously... it's us. |
| 23:45.32 | rm_you | like we'd care |
| 23:45.35 | lcuk | i cant, i aim to keep everything im writing |
| 23:45.44 | rm_you | dies |
| 23:45.51 | johnx | an irc log is writing! |
| 23:46.02 | lcuk | but i must be able to categorize it :) |
| 23:46.10 | rm_you | ok... lets just say... you accidentally put a binary on a server somewhere |
| 23:46.12 | johnx | just include this log in the .deb as an example text :D |
| 23:46.17 | rm_you | and you "accidentally" notice us a link to iut |
| 23:46.24 | lcuk | 37mb so far john :) from the day i installed xchat to now |
| 23:46.33 | rm_you | and we "accidentally" download it and lose the link |
| 23:46.51 | johnx | lcuk, and the tablet has 128MB, so no problem, right ;) |
| 23:47.09 | lcuk | well, now you mention it, its writing to internal 2gb |
| 23:47.28 | lcuk | and thats not got too much space available, even less cos of the corruption |
| 23:47.36 | lcuk | so the clock is ticking for me |
| 23:48.04 | rm_you | so... upload a binary somewhere temporarily and link us to it, before we start spamming you :P |
| 23:48.06 | lcuk | rm_you, just putting a binary somewhere wouldnt help |
| 23:48.09 | rm_you | lol |
| 23:48.12 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk fails at open source. :P |
| 23:48.23 | rm_you | fine... i'll work on your "patience" thing... |
| 23:48.25 | lcuk | :) of course |
| 23:48.35 | rm_you | i dunno how well that'll work out tho. i can't promise i won't explode |
| 23:48.45 | rm_you | has wanted a decent bookreader for a long time |
| 23:48.54 | rm_you | lcuk: if you give me the source, i could work on PDF support :P |
| 23:48.58 | rm_you | nudges lcuk |
| 23:49.11 | GeneralAntilles | I'm worried about bookmarking with that weird scrollyness. |
| 23:49.15 | lcuk | i could port the pdf parser i wrote for vb, but that would just sidetrack me |
| 23:49.23 | rm_you | lcuk: right. so let me do it |
| 23:49.46 | lcuk | geniune interest rm? |
| 23:50.06 | rm_you | I'd work on it, yeah... i really want a decent pdf ebook reader >_< |
| 23:50.14 | rm_you | it's seriously been annoying me for months |
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| 23:50.20 | rm_you | and i have a book on my n800 i want to read |
| 23:50.28 | lcuk | its a rather simplistic graphics library, ive not tested images yet, but it can load a range of fonts and draw them |
| 23:50.29 | Dekaritae | Yay, less problems now |
| 23:50.30 | rm_you | but i can't cause of lack of decent bookreader for pdf >_< |
| 23:51.01 | lcuk | as you have seen location and positioning is easy - it might work as a library.. |
| 23:51.05 | Dekaritae | Still can't install apps from maemo.org, but respositories work |
| 23:51.14 | rm_you | tar cfv source.tar sourcedirectory/ && cp source.tar /var/www/ |
| 23:51.28 | lcuk | rm, where arey ou |
| 23:51.34 | rm_you | ? |
| 23:51.39 | lcuk | location, world |
| 23:51.43 | rm_you | Washington State, US |
| 23:51.55 | lcuk | damn, why have i always thought you were english |
| 23:51.59 | rm_you | heh |
| 23:52.04 | rm_you | cause thats when i'm awake? |
| 23:52.07 | rm_you | :P |
| 23:52.31 | lcuk | no not always :) its your mannerisms |
| 23:52.36 | rm_you | heh |
| 23:52.45 | rm_you | I watch a lot of british TV? |
| 23:52.56 | rm_you | *a lot* |
| 23:53.35 | rm_you | anyways, been putting off taking a shower for a long time now... |
| 23:53.38 | rm_you | sooo |
| 23:53.41 | rm_you | think about it, i'll bbl |
| 23:54.15 | lcuk | k |
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| 23:59.50 | pupnik | i wonder if a #maemo-pub channel would be appropriate |
