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| 00:05.08 | sidnei | hello everyone |
| 00:05.31 | sidnei | i just bought a used n810 and managed to lock it, and i don't have the unlock code :( |
| 00:05.44 | sidnei | is there a way to perform a hard reset on it? i don't care if all the data is erased |
| 00:06.30 | NullM0dem | pull the battery maybe i dunno, you could reflash i think |
| 00:06.41 | towo | flashing the image might work. |
| 00:06.42 | GAN8001 | No |
| 00:06.48 | towo | No? |
| 00:06.49 | GAN8001 | Flashing wont do anything |
| 00:06.55 | GAN8001 | Get the lock code from the last owner |
| 00:07.00 | GAN8001 | Once you're locked you're stuck. |
| 00:07.05 | GAN8001 | It's on the config partition |
| 00:07.09 | sidnei | he says he never changed it :( |
| 00:07.19 | GAN8001 | Try 12345? |
| 00:07.20 | towo | ⦠which flashing kills |
| 00:07.26 | GAN8001 | No, towo |
| 00:07.32 | sidnei | tried that, and 012345 |
| 00:07.42 | towo | four oughts? |
| 00:07.55 | GAN8001 | Default is 12345 |
| 00:08.01 | GAN8001 | Could be anything since he changed it. |
| 00:08.09 | GAN8001 | sidnei, there may be a thread on itT |
| 00:08.16 | GAN8001 | Search for "lock code" |
| 00:08.17 | rm_you | what? flashing always reset mine |
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| 00:08.27 | GAN8001 | rm_you, not here. :\ |
| 00:08.27 | rm_you | I thought |
| 00:08.32 | rm_you | it's worth a shot |
| 00:08.41 | rm_you | I swear every time I flash it resets my lock code |
| 00:08.45 | balrog-kun | what kind of lock is that? |
| 00:08.51 | rm_you | a lame one? |
| 00:08.52 | balrog-kun | never saw any such option |
| 00:08.53 | rm_you | >_> |
| 00:09.13 | balrog-kun | i.e. like a screensaver locking your screen or something? |
| 00:09.17 | rm_you | it's really only useful to keep roommates from picking it up and messing with it randomly |
| 00:09.27 | rm_you | balrog-kun: yes, it's in the control panel thing |
| 00:09.28 | rm_you | hardware lock |
| 00:09.43 | GAN8001 | sidnei, well, try flashing |
| 00:09.46 | GAN8001 | That's never worked for me |
| 00:09.47 | GAN8001 | but meh |
| 00:09.52 | GAN8001 | Worth a shot. |
| 00:09.53 | balrog-kun | hardware lock hmmm |
| 00:10.00 | rm_you | I'm 50% sure it resets it on flash |
| 00:10.09 | rm_you | which is much better than a 0% chance like you have now :P |
| 00:10.10 | GAN8001 | If not, you'll need to figure out a way to dump the config partition. |
| 00:10.18 | GAN8001 | 0xffffff may do that. |
| 00:10.39 | balrog-kun | if it's in the config partition you can just overwrite it with a config partition form a different device |
| 00:10.57 | rm_you | Flash first and return with results :P |
| 00:11.01 | NullM0dem | what about ssh, has that been setup? |
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| 00:11.29 | balrog-kun | or remove the executable that implements the locking |
| 00:11.40 | NullM0dem | which woul dhave to be from ssh |
| 00:11.51 | NullM0dem | can you browse the device via usb when its locked? |
| 00:11.53 | rm_you | Flash first and return with results :P we can speculate then :( |
| 00:12.01 | rm_you | s/:(/:)/ |
| 00:12.04 | GAN8001 | ^ |
| 00:12.05 | balrog-kun | you can also login through the flasher console i think |
| 00:12.10 | balrog-kun | without ssh |
| 00:12.32 | GAN8001 | There's no "flasher console" |
| 00:12.36 | GAN8001 | There's a serial console. |
| 00:12.48 | GAN8001 | But you'd need to build a cable for that. |
| 00:12.56 | balrog-kun | umm, i logged in over usb without running sshd |
| 00:13.17 | balrog-kun | without booting the rootfs either |
| 00:13.19 | rm_you | what!? |
| 00:13.20 | GAN8001 | balrog-kun, that's a feature of fanoush's initfs |
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| 00:13.37 | balrog-kun | hmmm hmmm |
| 00:14.46 | balrog-kun | 0xFFFF -c does this for me, and there's a flasher-static switch to do the same thing iirc |
| 00:15.01 | rm_you | i think he left to go FLASH THE DEVICE :P |
| 00:18.43 | GAN8001 | pancake would be better able to enlighten us. |
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| 00:22.41 | NullM0dem | lol rm_you, i think he left as well |
| 00:23.10 | rm_you | heh |
| 00:26.29 | t_s_o | hmm, i wonder about that cold flash option... |
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| 00:34.34 | balrog-kun | t_s_o: you need the jig for that i think |
| 00:34.54 | t_s_o | ok, i was just looking at the flasher-static output |
| 00:34.56 | rm_you | does a jig |
| 00:35.34 | GAN8001 | Wron jig |
| 00:35.55 | GAN8001 | You get Extras access yet, rm_you? :P |
| 00:35.55 | rm_you | lol |
| 00:35.55 | rm_you | i think i need to apply again |
| 00:36.01 | rm_you | what is the new proceedure? |
| 00:36.05 | balrog-kun | jig is some acronym, no idea what it means |
| 00:36.38 | rm_you | it's also a tool for making chain rings for chainmailing :P |
| 00:37.25 | GAN8001 | Poke X-Fade with a sharpened stick until he snaps and gives you access. :P |
| 00:37.37 | rm_you | lol |
| 00:37.42 | rm_you | X-Fade: *poke* |
| 00:37.46 | rm_you | pokes X-Fade |
| 00:38.21 | GAN8001 | He's coming back from LinuxTag with a crazy number of highlights. :D |
| 00:38.29 | rm_you | lol |
| 00:39.33 | sidnei | hey |
| 00:39.35 | sidnei | im back |
| 00:39.38 | sidnei | walked out for dinner |
| 00:39.42 | sidnei | so how do i flash this thing? |
| 00:39.46 | rm_you | lol |
| 00:40.07 | rm_you | you in windoze? |
| 00:40.15 | sidnei | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux/ |
| 00:40.22 | sidnei | im on osx |
| 00:40.30 | rm_you | ah, ask GAN8001 |
| 00:40.36 | sidnei | i have an ubuntu vm |
| 00:40.45 | GAN8001 | is teh lazy |
| 00:40.50 | rm_you | lol |
| 00:41.05 | GAN8001 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Flashing_OS2008_With_Mac_OS_X_%28Console%29 |
| 00:41.09 | GAN8001 | Follow that |
| 00:41.16 | sidnei | there we go |
| 00:41.47 | rm_you | GAN8001: as one of the 2% of mac users here, these things are your responsibility :P |
| 00:42.02 | GAN8001 | whines. |
| 00:42.47 | GAN8001 | is surprised nobody added IdeaStorm to the 2010 agenda |
| 00:42.47 | NullM0dem | Im placing a newegg order and want to include a flash card for my n810, Iv'e read the n810 is picky on what type of card it uses. anyone get a card from newegg recently? |
| 00:42.55 | rm_you | yes |
| 00:43.04 | rm_you | it doesnt seem that picky |
| 00:43.09 | summatusmentis | IdeaStorm? isn't that a Dell thing? |
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| 00:43.25 | NullM0dem | rm_you: thanks so any carf should do |
| 00:43.27 | rm_you | I bought an AData 16g SDHC |
| 00:43.28 | NullM0dem | card |
| 00:43.34 | rm_you | was the best deal then |
| 00:43.36 | rm_you | prolly still is |
| 00:43.38 | NullM0dem | its work? |
| 00:43.42 | rm_you | yeah |
| 00:43.42 | NullM0dem | well of course |
| 00:43.44 | rm_you | perfectly |
| 00:43.50 | summatusmentis | rm_you: what'd you spend on that? |
| 00:43.58 | NullM0dem | out of box? i thought the limit was 8gigs with 2008 |
| 00:43.58 | rm_you | like $45 i think? |
| 00:44.02 | rm_you | yep |
| 00:44.04 | rm_you | OOB |
| 00:44.11 | rm_you | it's just SDHC spec |
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| 00:45.37 | rm_you | i think it was on sale |
| 00:46.01 | GAN8001 | summatusmentis, Dell and Ubuntu |
| 00:46.03 | rm_you | ah came to $55 with shipping according to my receipt |
| 00:46.09 | rm_you | so it would hav been 48.99 |
| 00:46.17 | NullM0dem | rm_you: is this the card? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211245 |
| 00:46.28 | rm_you | yep |
| 00:46.37 | GAN8001 | But I think it'd act as a nice focusing agent for pre-bugzilla brainstorming |
| 00:46.37 | rm_you | looks like it went up >_> |
| 00:46.39 | NullM0dem | am i grey to everyone, just wondering? |
| 00:46.48 | rm_you | ? |
| 00:46.52 | NullM0dem | my text |
| 00:46.53 | rm_you | on my IRC client your name is green? |
| 00:47.02 | summatusmentis | GAN8001: ubuntu came about on Dell machines, because of that |
| 00:47.09 | NullM0dem | Im going to get that card now thanks |
| 00:47.09 | summatusmentis | NullM0dem: well, yes, but everyone is |
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| 00:47.16 | rm_you | NullM0dem: at least in XChat, your text is grey to you |
| 00:47.19 | GAN8001 | summatusmentis, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19556 |
| 00:47.21 | NullM0dem | ah |
| 00:47.29 | rm_you | but black to everyone else |
| 00:47.34 | rm_you | so you can tell what you said :P |
| 00:49.13 | summatusmentis | GAN8001: oh... so what does it have to do w/ NITs? |
| 00:49.26 | GAN8001 | Set up an IdeaStorm on maemo.org |
| 00:49.37 | GAN8001 | See discussion here, summatusmentis: https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/2010_Agenda |
| 00:49.43 | summatusmentis | I see |
| 00:52.19 | sidnei | will take 20 something minutes to download omg :) |
| 00:53.31 | GAN8001 | Get a real connection. :P |
| 00:53.42 | sidnei | visiting a friend. i will tell him to though :) |
| 00:53.55 | GAN8001 | Hehe |
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| 00:54.16 | sidnei | i have some friends that worked for nokia in brazil, wonder if they hang around this channel |
| 00:54.59 | GAN8001 | INdT? |
| 00:55.05 | sidnei | yep |
| 00:55.12 | GAN8001 | Try #canola |
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| 00:56.32 | sidnei | meh, don't see any known nick |
| 00:56.40 | sidnei | where are your friends when you need them :) |
| 00:56.42 | Anunakin | hi all! |
| 00:56.55 | summatusmentis | who needs friends |
| 00:57.01 | Anunakin | Hi sidnei! |
| 00:57.06 | Anunakin | What u need? |
| 00:57.10 | NullM0dem | lol |
| 00:57.17 | NullM0dem | he needs a passkey |
| 00:57.25 | qwerty12_N800 | summatusmentis, been backstabbed recently? |
| 00:57.28 | sidnei | Anunakin: yeah, locked myself out of my n810 |
| 00:58.06 | Anunakin | hum... |
| 00:58.20 | Anunakin | a FW upgrade not resolve? |
| 00:58.24 | summatusmentis | qwerty12_N800: meh... not really, I just don't fit in w/ my high school friends |
| 00:58.37 | sidnei | Anunakin: fw == flashing? im downloading the image |
| 00:58.45 | summatusmentis | firmware, I assume |
| 00:58.53 | qwerty12_N800 | summatusmentis, heh, know what you mean :) |
| 00:58.54 | sidnei | duh, i must be tired |
| 00:58.56 | Anunakin | yes ... FW = FirmWare |
| 00:59.08 | GAN8001 | summatusmentis, small high school? |
| 00:59.38 | summatusmentis | GAN8001: yes, 400 students total. I went to college this last year, and my friends there are way cooler |
| 00:59.39 | skibur | my website is up |
| 00:59.39 | Anunakin | I think this resolve... but you lost all apps and configs |
| 00:59.48 | GAN8001 | Hehe |
| 00:59.49 | skibur | going to add my stuff later on |
| 00:59.50 | GAN8001 | That is small |
| 00:59.51 | skibur | lol |
| 00:59.51 | summatusmentis | now I'm back for the summer, and my high school friends are lame |
| 00:59.59 | rm_you | yeah my highschool was 350ish |
| 01:00.03 | Anunakin | skibur: nice!!! |
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| 01:00.04 | rm_you | graduating class of... 60 |
| 01:00.09 | GAN8001 | 2,200 |
| 01:00.14 | skibur | http://www.skibur.com |
| 01:00.27 | rm_you | i dont hang out with people from HS really, all my friends are from college, or gradeschool actually |
| 01:00.30 | summatusmentis | so instead I'm spending my summer finding where network cables go at the local hospital, and writing kernel code |
| 01:00.31 | skibur | thinking of adding ITT stuff |
| 01:00.32 | Anunakin | skibur,,, I looking here |
| 01:00.46 | sidnei | Anunakin: not that i had anything important on it, i opened the box, setup skype and locked myself out :) |
| 01:00.47 | rm_you | or from #maemo :P |
| 01:00.54 | GAN8001 | Ha |
| 01:01.01 | GAN8001 | I still hang mostly with my high school friends |
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| 01:01.06 | GAN8001 | . . . or middle school |
| 01:01.09 | summatusmentis | rm_you: heh, my girlfriend is from gradeschool(or, I knew her when we were in gradeschool together), and my college friends are 1200 mi. away |
| 01:01.12 | Anunakin | My blog, http://anunakin.blogspot.com/ (portuguese) |
| 01:01.13 | rm_you | are they in #maemo? :P |
| 01:01.30 | Anunakin | my repository .... deb http://maemo.vivaphp.net/dists/ chinook/ |
| 01:01.39 | qwerty12_N800 | sidnei, your lock code will still be the same, just disabled :p |
| 01:01.43 | GAN8001 | Just my clan-friends. |
| 01:01.49 | skibur | cool |
| 01:01.57 | sidnei | qwerty12_N800: oh, that helps some |
| 01:02.09 | sidnei | qwerty12_N800: but there's no way to change it, is there? |
| 01:02.15 | rm_you | ah yeah, thats right |
| 01:02.19 | rm_you | it just disables it :P |
| 01:02.23 | rm_you | remembers now |
| 01:02.26 | qwerty12_N800 | sidnei, you need to know old one |
| 01:02.26 | GAN8001 | You were half-right. :P |
| 01:02.27 | rm_you | that helps a bit |
| 01:02.30 | rm_you | just don't enable it :P |
| 01:02.40 | qwerty12_N800 | sidnei, wait a sec |
| 01:02.49 | sidnei | rm_you: fat finger as i am, that's not very hard :) |
| 01:02.56 | sidnei | rm_you: the lock button should be harder to hit |
| 01:02.57 | Anunakin | qwerty12_N800: but if stay unlocked.... he can try overwrite the files with another one? |
| 01:03.01 | sidnei | rm_you: too close to shutdown |
| 01:03.14 | rm_you | sidnei: you can do "lock screen" |
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| 01:03.26 | rm_you | just don't enable the lock CODE and it wont ever ask you |
| 01:03.26 | sidnei | i was actually trying to hit 'offline mode' |
| 01:03.28 | qwerty12_N800 | cat /dev/mtd2ro > /media/mmc2/config and open in hex editor and search for lock |
| 01:03.42 | qwerty12_N800 | your code will be in there |
| 01:04.31 | Anunakin | qwerty12_N800: I found a way to do emulate right and middle mouse clicks on Debian.... |
| 01:04.41 | qwerty12_N800 | cool :) |
| 01:05.19 | qwerty12_N800 | edit systemui.xml btw to take out lock device option btw |
| 01:06.27 | sidnei | qwerty12_N800: now im starting to like this :) |
| 01:06.30 | Anunakin | Any one using "scratchbox 2" ? |
| 01:06.45 | qwerty12_N800 | sidnei, heh :) |
| 01:09.42 | andre___ | hmm, thanks for the compliments from three hours ago :) |
| 01:10.57 | GAN8001 | andre___, I'm highlighting the new guys as many times as possible before everybody gets back from LinuxTag. :P |
| 01:11.14 | andre___ | thanks, that's good (though i'm back already :-) |
| 01:11.54 | summatusmentis | ) |
| 01:11.59 | summatusmentis | you were missing a ) |
| 01:12.01 | summatusmentis | :) |
| 01:12.25 | qwerty12_N800 | 0.o |
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| 01:12.32 | qwerty12_N800 | overkill :p |
| 01:13.02 | andre___ | hands over a ) |
| 01:13.14 | andre___ | good that i don't write the UI strings :-P |
| 01:13.22 | summatusmentis | sorry, I've been coding kernel stuff all day, paying attention to detail because my mentor is sort of anal about getting it right the first time :D |
| 01:13.29 | GAN8001 | We'd have to lynch you if you did. :P |
| 01:13.46 | andre___ | hehe |
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| 01:14.38 | qwerty12_N800 | apt-get source hildon-common-strings and I can make ones with swearing in it... |
| 01:15.23 | GAN8001 | qwerty12_N800, you're such a showoff. . . . :P |
| 01:15.49 | qwerty12_N800 | why, thank you :p |
| 01:16.06 | summatusmentis | qwerty12_N800: are you a high school student? |
| 01:16.30 | qwerty12_N800 | yeah :) |
| 01:16.44 | GAN8001 | qwerty12's a youngster. :P |
| 01:16.51 | summatusmentis | ok, that's what I thought, but I couldn't tell from our conv on friends |
| 01:16.55 | qwerty12_N800 | s/young/gang |
| 01:16.58 | qwerty12_N800 | :p |
| 01:17.01 | summatusmentis | hey, I was a high school student a year ago |
| 01:17.08 | summatusmentis | oh yeah, you like stupid music, I forgot that |
| 01:17.32 | qwerty12_N800 | come down to east ldn and say that :p |
| 01:17.32 | GAN8001 | Ha |
| 01:17.41 | GAN8001 | Music taste develops with age. |
| 01:18.04 | summatusmentis | I'd love to go to london, but sadly |
| 01:18.08 | summatusmentis | is a poor college student |
| 01:18.37 | sidnei | GAN8001: hey, since you're the mac guy around, are you able to sync contacts with address book? |
| 01:18.50 | rm_you | i was always like "pft, i'm going to keep up with music trends, unlike my parents... i always like the new stuff" |
| 01:19.01 | GAN8001 | Just dump the list as a vcard, send it to the NIT and import it from that. |
| 01:19.02 | rm_you | unfortunately, I didn't anticipate Rap and Hiphop taking off like they have >_< |
| 01:19.09 | GAN8001 | Hahaha |
| 01:19.16 | GAN8001 | Bob Dylan FTW! |
| 01:19.17 | sidnei | GAN8001: yeah, that works *g* |
| 01:19.25 | summatusmentis | rm_you: yeah, I agree |
| 01:19.28 | qwerty12_N800 | retches |
| 01:19.37 | sidnei | gotta whip some python together to make the sync easier :) |
| 01:19.44 | GAN8001 | ^ he reveals his terrible taste. :P |
| 01:20.10 | summatusmentis | hah :-D |
| 01:20.17 | rm_you | pft, well... i listen to HappyHardcore techno :P |
| 01:20.30 | rm_you | a lot of people don't find that much better |
| 01:20.34 | summatusmentis | HappyHardcore? I've never heard of that |
| 01:20.43 | summatusmentis | although, I'm a fan of techno :) |
| 01:20.48 | qwerty12_N800 | sounds like a drug :/ |
| 01:21.09 | summatusmentis | dude, if that was a drug... I'd be game |
| 01:21.13 | summatusmentis | maybe |
| 01:21.23 | qwerty12_N800 | the game's alright |
| 01:21.43 | rm_you | http://www.di.fm/mp3/hardcore.pls |
| 01:21.50 | rm_you | although, ACK the mix on now is HORRIBLE |
| 01:21.51 | GAN8001 | Totally Awesome Sweet Alabama Liquid Snake? |
| 01:21.54 | rm_you | it hurts my ears |
| 01:21.55 | qwerty12_N800 | summatusmentis, see, you like proper music :p too :p |
| 01:21.57 | sidnei | gets ready for some flashing |
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| 01:22.31 | summatusmentis | qwerty12_N800: I have rather eclectic tastes... or, non-mainstream anyway |
| 01:22.58 | rm_you | nm, that's a horrible intro to HHC |
| 01:23.06 | sidnei | oh, erm |
| 01:23.09 | sidnei | sudo: unable to execute ./flasher-2.0.macosx: Bad CPU type in executable |
| 01:23.11 | sidnei | now what |
| 01:23.18 | qwerty12_N800 | run! |
| 01:23.23 | summatusmentis | rm_you: I'm a fan, win |
| 01:23.26 | GAN8001 | It should run under Rosetta fine. . . . |
| 01:23.37 | rm_you | eh, yeah its getting better |
| 01:23.41 | sidnei | Rosettta?!? |
| 01:23.49 | GAN8001 | It's not a UB. |
| 01:24.00 | sidnei | oh, shocking |
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| 01:24.45 | GAN8001 | sidnei, http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2008-01-29.log.html#t2008-01-29T03:12:19 |
| 01:24.48 | GAN8001 | Try redownloading |
| 01:24.53 | GAN8001 | Or using another browser |
| 01:24.58 | summatusmentis | rm_you: I like the trancy sounding stuff |
| 01:25.12 | sidnei | like what, opera? |
| 01:25.26 | rm_you | <3 opera |
| 01:25.30 | GAN8001 | FireFox, Opera |
| 01:25.32 | GAN8001 | Something |
| 01:25.43 | qwerty12_N800 | if you install bootmenu, with the ssh, you can actually retrieve the lock code or disable the process which starts it from coming up w/out reflashing |
| 01:26.19 | qwerty12_N800 | wget ftw |
| 01:26.30 | *** join/#maemo dforsyth (n=dforsyth@pool-71-163-250-171.washdc.fios.verizon.net) |
| 01:26.35 | sidnei | alright, opera worked |
| 01:26.46 | rm_you | opera always works :P |
| 01:26.50 | rm_you | <3s Opera |
| 01:26.52 | GAN8001 | Lies |
| 01:26.55 | rm_you | said that already |
| 01:27.00 | qwerty12_N800 | opera sucks under linux, they try making it look like windows >.< |
| 01:27.02 | GAN8001 | rm_you, did you ever use Opera on the 770? |
| 01:27.17 | rm_you | no |
| 01:27.19 | *** join/#maemo Crfrodf (n=Crfrod@88.214.193.26) |
| 01:27.20 | rm_you | used it on my n800 :/ |
| 01:27.21 | rm_you | i miss it |
| 01:27.29 | rm_you | used it on Zaurus CL-5500 |
| 01:27.33 | rm_you | also miss that |
| 01:27.42 | qwerty12_N800 | you can use it in os2008 now as well through bundyo's work |
| 01:27.46 | rm_you | YAY! |
| 01:27.51 | summatusmentis | rm_you: I've still got one laying around |
| 01:27.51 | sidnei | woo, loks like it might have worked |
| 01:27.52 | rm_you | looks that up |
| 01:27.54 | sidnei | i see a setup screen |
| 01:27.55 | GAN8001 | shudders contemplating Opera on NIT. |
| 01:27.59 | summatusmentis | it's not terribly usable though |
| 01:28.02 | rm_you | summatusmentis: battery dead> |
| 01:28.03 | rm_you | ? |
| 01:28.15 | summatusmentis | nope, still runs, about 3 hours w/ wifi |
| 01:28.21 | rm_you | seriously? |
| 01:28.26 | summatusmentis | I think... I haven't turned it on in a while |
| 01:28.34 | rm_you | everyone i know with a CL-5500, the battery died after like two years |
| 01:28.42 | rm_you | even people who like NEVER used it |
| 01:28.54 | summatusmentis | I flashed a not-entirely working 2.6 kernel, so now when ever it has juice, it's always on |
| 01:28.59 | rm_you | i bought a custom battery from some guy in Germany made from a cell phone battery and some solders, but it died after a while too |
| 01:29.04 | summatusmentis | so I let the battery run out, and it sits on my desk |
| 01:29.27 | rm_you | it makes a good webserver if you plug it in and shove it in a corner somewhere :P |
| 01:29.45 | qwerty12_N800 | buy the ak-47 phone, at least you can use it as gun if battery is dead |
| 01:30.01 | GAN8001 | has one of those. :P |
| 01:30.04 | summatusmentis | rm_you: oh, that's a really good idea... |
| 01:30.05 | rm_you | LOL |
| 01:30.08 | summatusmentis | hmm |
| 01:30.20 | rm_you | AK-47 phone?! >_> |
| 01:30.35 | GAN8001 | Well, minus the phone part. :P |
| 01:30.54 | summatusmentis | ugh... what is it w/ people and guns? |
| 01:31.11 | summatusmentis | I don't understand why people have them to have them |
| 01:31.14 | rm_you | <3s guns |
| 01:31.20 | *** join/#maemo beford (n=beford@190.68.3.172) |
| 01:31.22 | summatusmentis | :-/ |
| 01:31.25 | rm_you | I do trap & skeet shooting |
| 01:31.29 | qwerty12_N800 | everyman wants a gun, the bigger the better! |
| 01:31.38 | GAN8001 | Guns are so much stupid fun. |
| 01:31.40 | summatusmentis | I'd just as soon nobody have a gun |
| 01:31.41 | rm_you | yeah |
| 01:31.50 | rm_you | hey, *nobody* having a gun will never work |
| 01:31.55 | GAN8001 | summatusmentis, perhaps, in a non-existent utopia |
| 01:32.01 | GAN8001 | But a utopia doesn't exist. :P |
| 01:32.03 | rm_you | *everyone* having a gun would make other people a lot more cautious when attacking people |
| 01:32.06 | GAN8001 | Plus, they're hella fun |
| 01:32.11 | rm_you | :P |
| 01:32.19 | summatusmentis | yeah, yeah, I know... standard argument |
| 01:32.31 | derf | Nobody having a gun worked great for thousands of years. |
| 01:32.32 | qwerty12_N800 | switzerland has brilliantly low crime rates and guns are legal ther |
| 01:32.37 | GAN8001 | You'd understand that if you'd ever put a .300 winmag through a bowling pin at 600yds. :P |
| 01:32.38 | derf | Unfortunately, we know how to make guns now. |
| 01:32.42 | rm_you | think about it... if a criminal wanted to rob someone, and he KNEW they had a gun, he'd be much less likely to do it :P |
| 01:32.47 | GAN8001 | derf, they had swords |
| 01:32.49 | GAN8001 | or rocks |
| 01:32.51 | summatusmentis | GAN8001: no, i don't think I would |
| 01:32.55 | derf | GAN8001: But not guns! |
| 01:32.59 | GAN8001 | You would, trust me. |
| 01:33.16 | GAN8001 | derf, swords just mean that people with sword training impose their will on others. :P |
| 01:33.21 | GAN8001 | Guns are the great equalizer |
| 01:33.25 | GAN8001 | Anybody can use one. |
| 01:33.27 | sidnei | wonder if i should lock it now :) |
| 01:33.31 | summatusmentis | rm_you: well yeah, but I feel it also makes it much, MUCH easier for accidents |
| 01:33.36 | rm_you | Hey, even if I didn't think guns are damn awesome (which I do, very very much), I would still want to know how to use one well, in case of emergency |
| 01:33.40 | sidnei | or just trying to change the password |
| 01:33.45 | GAN8001 | Stupid people will have accidents no matter what. |
| 01:33.54 | derf | Anybody can (and did) use swords. |
| 01:33.56 | rm_you | if EVERYONE was trained how to use a gun properly, there would be less accidents |
| 01:34.00 | derf | The problem was they were expensive. |
| 01:34.03 | GAN8001 | derf, that's not true |
| 01:34.04 | rm_you | the problem comes from people not understandiong how to handle them |
| 01:34.11 | GAN8001 | Grandma can't pick up a sword and use it like a pro. |
| 01:34.13 | summatusmentis | their accidents are less fatal w/out guns |
| 01:34.17 | GAN8001 | Grandma CAN pick up a gun |
| 01:34.29 | summatusmentis | my grandmother should not have a gun |
| 01:34.35 | rm_you | lol |
| 01:34.38 | qwerty12_N800 | Grandma would topple over holding a sword :p |
| 01:34.42 | summatusmentis | she loses her temper a lot, and doesn't think clearly |
| 01:34.52 | derf | GAN8001: Grandma was dead at 40, so it didn't really matter. |
| 01:35.21 | sidnei | so now qwerty12_N800, how do i access the console? should i install ssh? |
| 01:35.49 | qwerty12_N800 | sidnei, go to menu, utilities, x-term |
| 01:35.56 | sidnei | oh, that's easier |
| 01:36.01 | sidnei | and there's a hex editor in there? |
| 01:36.07 | qwerty12_N800 | nope |
| 01:36.09 | qwerty12_N800 | also |
| 01:36.14 | qwerty12_N800 | ~easyroot |
| 01:36.15 | infobot | easyroot is, like, an easy way to get root access on OS2008 and can be found at http://nitapps.com |
| 01:36.22 | qwerty12_N800 | you'll need it ;) |
| 01:36.25 | GAN8001 | rm_you, do you have Extras access yet? :P |
| 01:37.01 | rm_you | GAN8001: lol still no :P |
| 01:37.06 | GAN8001 | Now? |
| 01:37.06 | rm_you | pokes X-Fade again |
| 01:37.13 | GAN8001 | Ha |
| 01:37.13 | rm_you | nope |
| 01:37.21 | rm_you | pokes X-Fade again |
| 01:37.21 | qwerty12_N800 | sidnei, get root and run that command, connect usb and open config file on mmc in hex editor in comp |
| 01:37.23 | GAN8001 | He's gun hav sooo many highlights! |
| 01:37.26 | rm_you | pokes X-Fade again |
| 01:37.41 | rm_you | I wonder how many times I have to poke him to get perma-banned from extras :P |
| 01:37.46 | qwerty12_N800 | Hold a gun to X-Fade :p |
| 01:38.29 | summatusmentis | rm_you: extra's access? to put packages there? |
| 01:38.43 | qwerty12_N800 | nope, put weed there |
| 01:38.51 | summatusmentis | even better |
| 01:38.55 | summatusmentis | make sure it's good though |
| 01:39.00 | rm_you | yeah |
| 01:39.09 | rm_you | need to get Advanced Backlight in there |
| 01:39.18 | *** join/#maemo Atlis (n=michel@mlv95-3-88-168-37-51.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 01:39.59 | GAN8001 | For ultimate justice! |
| 01:39.59 | qwerty12_N800 | GAN8001, been annoying rm_you to follow the maemo policy? :p |
| 01:40.11 | GAN8001 | Yeah, good plan! |
| 01:40.28 | GAN8001 | rm_you, don't forget. https://maemo.org/forrest-images/pdf/maemo-policy.pdf :P |
| 01:40.28 | summatusmentis | rm_you: that's yours? props |
| 01:41.04 | rm_you | lol |
| 01:41.09 | rm_you | yeah, thx :P |
| 01:41.28 | GAN8001 | rm_you, who else can you poke about the info you got from timeless? |
| 01:41.35 | rm_you | dunno... |
| 01:41.43 | rm_you | i don't really understand what's going on in what he sent me |
| 01:41.49 | rm_you | he converted it to javascript >_> |
| 01:41.54 | GAN8001 | Haha |
| 01:42.20 | GAN8001 | rm_you sez, "i dun kno wut dis is...pweese halp me timewess!!!" |
| 01:42.26 | rm_you | lol |
| 01:42.32 | rm_you | i don't do JS or GTK |
| 01:42.37 | summatusmentis | what'd he send you? anything interesting? |
| 01:42.42 | qwerty12_N800 | timeless says â |
| 01:42.44 | rm_you | which means translating from one to the other is hard :P |
| 01:42.49 | rm_you | i'll throw his emails on the wiki |
| 01:42.50 | rm_you | sec |
| 01:42.57 | rm_you | maybe people here can help ;P |
| 01:43.45 | summatusmentis | atlas95: decide on a nick already! |
| 01:43.46 | summatusmentis | :) |
| 01:44.01 | atlas95 | sorry guys :) |
| 01:44.13 | atlas95 | i'm playing with account |
| 01:44.25 | atlas95 | i back i come later ;) |
| 01:44.29 | *** part/#maemo atlas95 (n=michel@mlv95-3-88-168-37-51.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 01:44.32 | GAN8001 | Ha |
| 01:44.37 | summatusmentis | just giving you s**t, no worries |
| 01:44.43 | summatusmentis | oh, he's gone |
| 01:45.10 | summatusmentis | oh wait |
| 01:45.49 | GAN8001 | Jerks. :P |
| 01:46.37 | summatusmentis | qwerty12_N800: oh, that really confused me |
| 01:46.42 | summatusmentis | >_> |
| 01:46.45 | qwerty12_N800 | muhahaha |
| 01:47.05 | qwerty12_N800 | is certified prick :p |
| 01:47.15 | qwerty12_N800 | by sondjata anyway |
| 01:47.15 | summatusmentis | qwerty12_N800: do you always IRC on our N800? |
| 01:47.32 | qwerty12_N800 | only at night and around 12PM (gmt) |
| 01:47.35 | Johnny5 | Actually, he probably does it on his own |
| 01:47.39 | summatusmentis | oh |
| 01:47.41 | summatusmentis | I see |
| 01:47.42 | GAN8001 | Join the club, qwerty12_N800. |
| 01:47.48 | qwerty12_N800 | Hi 5! |
| 01:48.03 | summatusmentis | Johnny5: there was supposed to be a y in front of that |
| 01:48.25 | summatusmentis | Xchat is not in the feeds, is it? |
| 01:48.59 | Johnny5 | waves |
| 01:49.36 | GAN8001 | summatusmentis, google it |
| 01:49.47 | GAN8001 | I don't have the TextExpander shortcut on this computer. :P |
| 01:50.02 | GAN8001 | Or just use this: http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ |
| 01:50.19 | summatusmentis | I want centralized feeds! |
| 01:50.58 | GAN8001 | Most things are on Downloads |
| 01:51.03 | summatusmentis | why don't they make everything in Downloads in extras? |
| 01:51.05 | GAN8001 | But xchat is an outlier. |
| 01:51.10 | GAN8001 | Lazy developers. |
| 01:51.15 | GAN8001 | Bitch at the developers. :P |
| 01:51.18 | summatusmentis | no, xchat is on downloads |
| 01:51.28 | GAN8001 | The 2007 one |
| 01:51.29 | Johnny5 | wonders if anyone has ever bought a Nxx0, and used it for its intended purpose (web tablet) and nothing else... |
| 01:51.34 | GAN8001 | Not the Chinook beta, though |
| 01:51.47 | GAN8001 | Johnny5, thousands and thousands of people I'm sure. |
| 01:51.53 | summatusmentis | oh |
| 01:52.07 | GAN8001 | The people here and on itT and maemo.org definitely don't add up to ~600k units. |
| 01:52.15 | derf | I almost never use the web from the tablet. |
| 01:52.16 | sidnei | qwerty12_N800: ok, i ran that command, but the 'config' doesn't show up? |
| 01:52.27 | sidnei | when mounting on osx that is |
| 01:52.30 | derf | And when I do, it's usually for webmail, only because the e-mail client blows chunks. |
| 01:52.40 | GAN8001 | derf, Modest? |
| 01:52.41 | qwerty12_N800 | sidnei, hmm, did you do it as root? |
| 01:52.44 | rm_you | https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/Rm_you |
| 01:52.45 | summatusmentis | Johnny5: well... what defines "Web Tablet" ? only browsing? |
| 01:52.50 | sidnei | qwerty12_N800: yes |
| 01:52.59 | derf | I haven't tried modest yet. |
| 01:53.07 | derf | Is it actually out of beta? |
| 01:53.11 | summatusmentis | GAN8001: was it you who was talking about irssi-proxy? |
| 01:53.17 | GAN8001 | Yeah |
| 01:53.20 | sidnei | qwerty12_N800: when i do an ls on /media/mmc1 and mmc2 only 'config' shows there |
| 01:53.23 | summatusmentis | how does that work? |
| 01:53.27 | sidnei | maybe its not mounted? |
| 01:53.31 | GAN8001 | I have one set up on my Mac Mini server to act as a front-end for all my NITs |
| 01:53.40 | GAN8001 | summatusmentis, install MacPorts, install irssi |
| 01:53.55 | GAN8001 | Then follow the guide here: http://www.irssi.org/documentation/proxy |
| 01:54.00 | qwerty12_N800 | sidnei, hmm, the mac should mount the mmc's :/ |
| 01:54.09 | Johnny5 | What defines "Web Tablet" is never installing any software beyond what is initially installed on the NIT (or what is provided via Nokia official sources, such as updates) |
| 01:54.44 | GAN8001 | rm_you, I don't have a clue. :D |
| 01:54.45 | Johnny5 | The device is just so hackable, I sometimes wonder what it would be like if it was used "stock" |
| 01:54.50 | summatusmentis | Johnny5: oh :) |
| 01:54.57 | rm_you | I figure that's like... some sort of gtk-rc thing? |
| 01:55.02 | rm_you | i just don't know how i would apply that |
| 01:55.05 | qwerty12_N800 | has hacked my n800 like shit |
| 01:55.51 | summatusmentis | I'll hack my n810 when I have time... |
| 01:56.04 | summatusmentis | right now, I hack the kernl |
| 01:56.07 | summatusmentis | kernel* |
| 01:56.11 | qwerty12_N800 | suspend to mem works for me except for watchdog :/ |
| 01:56.31 | derf | GAN8001: This is why I'm not using modest yet: https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2290&group_id=9&atid=109 |
| 01:56.38 | Johnny5 | For that matter, I'm kinda curious what using the built-in rootfs is like. I read so much about the performance gains on ITT that I set up booting off MMC the day I got it. :) |
| 01:56.38 | sidnei | qwerty12_N800: it mounts 'something' which has camera, tmp, map and videocenter directories |
| 01:57.01 | GAN8001 | Johnny5, the gains are mostly noticeable on boot |
| 01:57.10 | GAN8001 | There's no real difference in usage. |
| 01:57.28 | GAN8001 | The effect is largely just placebo. ;) |
| 01:57.29 | rm_you | summatusmentis: still listening to the stream i linked? :P |
| 01:57.42 | summatusmentis | GAN8001: I'm not sure I understand how the irssi-proxy works. What do I do once it's configured? |
| 01:57.50 | summatusmentis | rm_you: nope, watching oceans 11 |
| 01:57.54 | rm_you | lol |
| 01:57.56 | Johnny5 | Makes sense |
| 01:57.59 | GAN8001 | Connect to the machine with the proxy just like it's an IRC server. |
| 01:58.01 | qwerty12_N800 | sidnei, that would the internal mmc. out of question, you aren't running thatcommand with the cable connected right? |
| 01:58.13 | sidnei | qwerty12_N800: i am *g* |
| 01:58.18 | summatusmentis | GAN8001: so then, what's the point? |
| 01:58.30 | qwerty12_N800 | sidnei, tut tut :p |
| 01:58.33 | GAN8001 | So you can have many machines connected to the irc server under one nick. |
| 01:58.51 | GAN8001 | and disconnecting on any of those machines wont disconnect you from the network. |
| 01:58.55 | rm_you | Anyone who understands GTK/GDK and C and prototyping functions and wants to help me: https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/Rm_you look at the email i posted there |
| 01:59.10 | GAN8001 | Much the same as irssi+screen, but you can use xchat on the tablets, which is, to me, preferable. |
| 01:59.11 | summatusmentis | ah, see? I should do that, if only for my NIT |
| 01:59.19 | qwerty12_N800 | sidnei, ke-recv unmounts the cards from the tablet when usb is connected |
| 01:59.24 | GAN8001 | If you prefer xchat to irssi |
| 01:59.40 | qwerty12_N800 | so you config isn't getting written to the mmc itself |
| 01:59.44 | summatusmentis | well, I kinda like irssi, but I liked the userlist in xchat |
| 01:59.55 | sidnei | qwerty12_N800: makes a lot of sense |
| 02:00.39 | summatusmentis | how do I get the pipe symbol? |
| 02:00.41 | qwerty12_N800 | plug: has compiled irssi from svn, weechat + bitchx |
| 02:00.44 | GAN8001 | I like irssi, just not on the tablet. ;) |
| 02:00.55 | rm_you | its in like... the second tab of the symbols section |
| 02:01.02 | qwerty12_N800 | summatusmentis, with keyboard? |
| 02:01.15 | rm_you | brb, dinner |
| 02:01.18 | summatusmentis | qwerty12_N800: yeah, the n810 keyboard, specifically |
| 02:01.25 | rm_you | after dinner, i hope someone has an idea what this stuff means: https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/Rm_you |
| 02:01.43 | derf | rm_you: What do you not understand? |
| 02:01.52 | rm_you | how i would apply that |
| 02:01.52 | derf | That all seems pretty straightforward to me. |
| 02:01.53 | rm_you | in C |
| 02:02.03 | qwerty12_N800 | summatusmentis, not sure then. maybe custom keymap is needed :/ |
| 02:02.06 | rm_you | I am not familiar with GTK *or* C |
| 02:02.09 | beford | Sulis_, there is a Chr button |
| 02:02.11 | beford | oops |
| 02:02.15 | disq | miau is a good irc proxy/bouncer. |
| 02:02.16 | rm_you | writing that applet was a stretch of my ability :P |
| 02:02.18 | *** join/#maemo summatus_n810 (n=user@dynamic-69-49-136-34.sebcmesc.ccmaine.net) |
| 02:02.20 | beford | summatusmentis, there is a Chr button on the kb |
| 02:02.24 | derf | Well, I'd suggest reading some GTK documentation. |
| 02:02.30 | rm_you | yeah :/ |
| 02:02.36 | derf | The "prototype" crap is just setting some initial properties. |
| 02:02.41 | rm_you | dunno what i'm looking for exactly tho.. |
| 02:02.46 | rm_you | well, i'll look after dinner |
| 02:02.51 | summatus_n810 | lol, you're right bedford |
| 02:03.03 | Sulis_ | heh, not many channels with more than one su name |
| 02:03.10 | summatus_n810 | there's no tab in xchat! |
| 02:03.45 | GAN8001 | Prefs, summatusmentis. |
| 02:05.00 | summatus_n810 | GAN8001: I meant like there is that shows up whe I open xterm |
| 02:05.17 | summatus_n810 | a tab button, specifically |
| 02:05.51 | sidnei | qwerty12_N800: sorry to bother you again, but your command just scrolled off my screen |
| 02:05.52 | summatus_n810 | :-/ I'm going back to irssi... it works better! |
| 02:06.08 | qwerty12_N800 | hmm, i don't llike last bit of igor's latest post |
| 02:06.17 | derf | rm_you: Properties are set either in the constructor with g_object_new() or via g_object_set(). |
| 02:06.24 | sidnei | was it mrt2ro? |
| 02:06.34 | derf | They're just name-value pairs. |
| 02:06.46 | qwerty12_N800 | sidnei, "cat /dev/mtd2ro > /media/mmc2/config" |
| 02:06.53 | summatusmentis | meh,... graphical clients are overrated |
| 02:07.33 | qwerty12_N800 | make sure > and bit after is included too |
| 02:07.42 | *** join/#maemo lmoura (n=lauro@189.81.209.238) |
| 02:10.25 | summatusmentis | I'll stick to ssh+screen+irssi, thanks GAN8001 |
| 02:11.05 | qwerty12_N800 | sidnei, wrong mtd, it's mtd1, not mtd2 |
| 02:11.19 | sidnei | qwerty12_N800: ahhhh |
| 02:11.24 | qwerty12_N800 | soz |
| 02:11.46 | qwerty12_N800 | mtd2 must be initfs iirc then |
| 02:12.04 | qwerty12_N800 | mtd1 is config/cal partition - the 1 you want |
| 02:13.47 | sidnei | well |
| 02:13.54 | KotCzarny | mtd2 is kernel |
| 02:14.16 | sidnei | so i see Conf lock_code l y 12345 |
| 02:14.30 | *** join/#maemo febb (n=febb@unaffiliated/febb) |
| 02:14.34 | sidnei | oh, and then there's another one |
| 02:14.40 | sidnei | 30133 |
| 02:14.40 | summatusmentis | what're people's thoughts on the Moto Q? I'm considering buying one, and a data plan along w/ it, for always on internet w/ the n810 |
| 02:14.42 | sidnei | let me try that |
| 02:15.43 | qwerty12_N800 | KotCzarny, ta. would have briked my device sometime :D |
| 02:15.49 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:15.57 | KotCzarny | just look at the sizes |
| 02:16.03 | sidnei | alright, found it |
| 02:16.13 | KotCzarny | and you can't brick the device as long nolo is ok :) |
| 02:16.17 | sidnei | was the 6th or 7th occurrence of lock code |
| 02:16.41 | qwerty12_N800 | KotCzarny, I've got some experiments that will :/ :p |
| 02:16.50 | qwerty12_N800 | need to get jtag 1st though |
| 02:17.05 | sidnei | WHOOOOOO |
| 02:17.07 | sidnei | worked! |
| 02:17.19 | sidnei | breaks the champagne open |
| 02:17.33 | GAN8001 | summatusmentis, WinMob? |
| 02:17.40 | qwerty12_N800 | yeah |
| 02:17.47 | summatusmentis | GAN8001: yeah |
| 02:17.54 | summatusmentis | WinMob 5 |
| 02:18.02 | summatusmentis | no touchscreen |
| 02:18.03 | GAN8001 | Get something small and phone-ish to pair with the NIT |
| 02:18.04 | sidnei | qwerty12_N800: thank you so much |
| 02:18.11 | qwerty12_N800 | sidnei, np :) |
| 02:18.12 | GAN8001 | Not something big and PDA-ish |
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| 02:18.27 | qwerty12_N800 | summatusmentis, get a phone that does dun, much simpler |
| 02:18.38 | qwerty12_N800 | winmob uses pan |
| 02:19.01 | summatusmentis | well, part of what I'm looking at is Sprint SERO |
| 02:19.25 | summatusmentis | and as such, I can get the Moto Q for $30 :) |
| 02:21.58 | summatusmentis | GAN8001: why small and phone-ish over big and PDA-ish? |
| 02:22.34 | GAN8001 | Because you don't want to duplicate functionality |
| 02:22.41 | GAN8001 | My cellphone is a phone and a modem |
| 02:22.44 | GAN8001 | Not a PDA |
| 02:22.49 | summatusmentis | yeah, that's all true |
| 02:22.50 | GAN8001 | That's just my personal preference, though. |
| 02:22.59 | qwerty12_N800 | agrees |
| 02:23.04 | GAN8001 | Get whatever's cheap and need-suiting. ;) |
| 02:23.31 | summatusmentis | well, the Q is cheap :) |
| 02:23.38 | qwerty12_N800 | my p1 is closest to n800 but it uses opera and no flash so f00k dat :p |
| 02:24.05 | summatusmentis | p1? what is that? |
| 02:24.09 | Navi | I want an E71 without the expense |
| 02:24.40 | qwerty12_N800 | summatusmentis, sony ericsson phone, don't think you get it in us |
| 02:24.54 | qwerty12_N800 | symbian uiq based |
| 02:24.58 | summatusmentis | oh, ok. I was just curious |
| 02:25.12 | summatusmentis | we dont' get any good phones in the US |
| 02:25.25 | GAN8001 | I like my A717 |
| 02:25.56 | qwerty12_N800 | loves europe. home of bog standard gsm |
| 02:25.57 | summatusmentis | I've got a razr now, it's ok |
| 02:26.06 | Navi | RUN |
| 02:26.14 | summatusmentis | that's what the us needs is decent gsm |
| 02:26.17 | Navi | It's a RAZR |
| 02:26.21 | Navi | HIde |
| 02:26.57 | qwerty12_N800 | aww, Navi's scared of getting shanked :p |
| 02:27.15 | summatusmentis | geez qwerty12_N800 :) |
| 02:27.34 | GAN8001 | With qwerty12_N800 around, I am, too. |
| 02:27.51 | summatusmentis | yeah, for real |
| 02:27.58 | qwerty12_N800 | heh, london = shanking capital of the world |
| 02:28.01 | summatusmentis | what's the res on the n810 cam? |
| 02:28.07 | qwerty12_N800 | bs |
| 02:28.19 | GAN8001 | 640*480 |
| 02:28.20 | qwerty12_N800 | res = bs that is |
| 02:28.32 | GAN8001 | Resolution is sorta meaningless, though |
| 02:28.36 | GAN8001 | It's noisy as hell |
| 02:28.40 | GAN8001 | with terrible sensitivity. |
| 02:28.50 | summatusmentis | yeah, I was playing w/ it earlier... doesn't look that great |
| 02:28.54 | qwerty12_N800 | with terrible quality |
| 02:28.59 | summatusmentis | so a phone w/ a decent cam might be worth it |
| 02:29.08 | GAN8001 | N-series! |
| 02:29.31 | summatusmentis | on cdma? |
| 02:29.44 | summatusmentis | gsm coverage doesn't work where I need it to |
| 02:30.15 | qwerty12_N800 | sigh, dodgy americans and their 850 band :p |
| 02:30.27 | summatusmentis | agreed |
| 02:31.32 | qwerty12_N800 | Check out the samsung 10mp cdma phone*. *korea only :p |
| 02:31.38 | summatusmentis | lol |
| 02:31.45 | summatusmentis | dont' live in korea :) |
| 02:32.45 | qwerty12_N800 | samsung make dodgy phones in korea, jcb phone, tablet pc phone.... |
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| 02:38.45 | sidnei | alright, so how do i get some application repositories in here |
| 02:38.57 | qwerty12_N800 | gronmayer |
| 02:39.50 | qwerty12_N800 | it's 3 am, quiet here & i'm bored : http://tinyurl.com/5j3w45 |
| 02:39.53 | GAN8001 | sidnei, you really only need one |
| 02:39.57 | GAN8001 | and that's Extras |
| 02:39.59 | sidnei | good! |
| 02:40.26 | sidnei | how do i enable that again? |
| 02:40.28 | GAN8001 | and maybe the one from nitapps.com |
| 02:40.32 | GAN8001 | Application manager |
| 02:41.18 | summatusmentis | GAN8001: extras doesn't have gnumeric in it :) |
| 02:41.31 | GAN8001 | toss in Extras-devel, then. |
| 02:41.40 | qwerty12_N800 | extras wont wipe me down |
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| 02:42.01 | sidnei | good, i figured out how to enable extras without asking |
| 02:42.06 | summatusmentis | what about maemo hackers? |
| 02:42.08 | GAN8001 | !!!!! |
| 02:42.16 | qwerty12_N800 | hell no |
| 02:42.28 | GAN8001 | Hackers is in Extras mostly, now |
| 02:42.48 | rm_you | pokes X-Fade again |
| 02:43.02 | GAN8001 | Veeeery good |
| 02:43.04 | rm_you | BBL, watching "IT Crowd" for the 8 billionth time :P |
| 02:43.09 | GAN8001 | gives rm_you a treat. |
| 02:43.30 | qwerty12_N800 | a glock? |
| 02:43.35 | rm_you | :P |
| 02:43.42 | GAN8001 | Glocks suck ass |
| 02:44.04 | sidnei | alright, shower time |
| 02:44.05 | sidnei | bbiab |
| 02:44.21 | rm_you | If I get a pistol, I want a beretta |
| 02:44.23 | qwerty12_N800 | in soviet russia glocks ass sucks you |
| 02:44.23 | rm_you | BBL |
| 02:44.43 | GAN8001 | Berette?!? |
| 02:44.43 | qwerty12_N800 | or summat like that |
| 02:44.46 | GAN8001 | Good god man. . . . |
| 02:44.57 | GAN8001 | SIG is the way to go. |
| 02:45.09 | rm_you | I can't help it... the beretta design just calls out to me |
| 02:45.12 | GAN8001 | Or just get a 1911. |
| 02:45.14 | rm_you | they're so pretty <_< |
| 02:45.15 | sidnei | just tell me where's extras devel, i cant find that |
| 02:45.20 | GAN8001 | Ugh . .. but BERETTA?! |
| 02:45.22 | rm_you | pokes X-Fade again |
| 02:45.27 | rm_you | >_> |
| 02:45.34 | rm_you | BBL (for real this time( |
| 02:45.37 | GAN8001 | Beretta is the worst ever. |
| 02:45.48 | rm_you | s/(e/e)/ |
| 02:45.50 | qwerty12_N800 | extra-devel is on-the internetz |
| 02:45.52 | GAN8001 | sidnei, it's on the top in gronmayer |
| 02:46.00 | rm_you | pft |
| 02:46.06 | rm_you | BBL (for real this time!) |
| 02:46.20 | GAN8001 | WORST EVER |
| 02:46.24 | GAN8001 | Worse than a Glock |
| 02:46.38 | sidnei | alright, as if i knew what gronmayer was |
| 02:46.40 | sidnei | now i know :) |
| 02:46.57 | qwerty12_N800 | it's in #maemo topic :p |
| 02:47.02 | summatusmentis | is abiword available? |
| 02:47.09 | GAN8001 | summatusmentis, still in beta |
| 02:47.16 | GAN8001 | Somebody may have stuck a binary somewhere |
| 02:47.18 | summatusmentis | I thought i saw something on ITT, oh ok |
| 02:47.20 | GAN8001 | It's looking good |
| 02:47.22 | GAN8001 | but not quite ready. |
| 02:47.40 | summatusmentis | fair enough. |
| 02:49.55 | summatusmentis | what about browser-extras? is that worth adding? |
| 02:50.21 | qwerty12_N800 | just for greasemonkey only imho |
| 02:50.49 | GAN8001 | Somebody should poke them to push that shit to extras. |
| 02:50.54 | summatusmentis | is there adblock? |
| 02:51.11 | qwerty12_N800 | not worth installing |
| 02:51.15 | GAN8001 | Don't bother |
| 02:51.17 | GAN8001 | Slow as shit |
| 02:51.20 | GAN8001 | Hosts/CSS |
| 02:51.21 | summatusmentis | :-/ lame |
| 02:51.37 | GAN8001 | Hosts/CSS works fine |
| 02:51.41 | GAN8001 | and no performance impact. |
| 02:52.04 | summatusmentis | what's the google calendar script thing? |
| 02:53.53 | qwerty12_N800 | actually, regarding hosts, under diablo, little bug, /etc/hostsname doesn't exist like it does in chinook |
| 02:54.22 | qwerty12_N800 | *hostname |
| 02:54.30 | GAN8001 | It's /etc/hosts anyway |
| 02:55.07 | qwerty12_N800 | nah, there is /etc/hostname for the loccal hostname of the it |
| 02:55.23 | qwerty12_N800 | /etc/hosts maps hosts iirc |
| 02:56.09 | GAN8001 | For ad blocking it's /etc/hosts. ;) |
| 02:56.22 | GAN8001 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:56.51 | qwerty12_N800 | i wasn't talking about ad blocking ;) |
| 02:57.01 | qwerty12_N800 | i said re hosts |
| 02:57.21 | GAN8001 | pokes qwerty12_N800 with a sharpened stick. |
| 02:57.33 | qwerty12_N800 | Ow. |
| 02:57.40 | qwerty12_N800 | i'm in pain |
| 02:58.07 | qwerty12_N800 | :p |
| 02:58.14 | GAN8001 | pokes qwerty12_N800 with a sharpened stick. |
| 02:58.36 | qwerty12_N800 | Please stop, the pain is unbearable. |
| 02:59.15 | GAN8001 | pokes qwerty12_N800 with a sharpened stick. |
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| 02:59.42 | qwerty12_N800 | i'm in agony here |
| 02:59.54 | GAN8001 | No help for qwerty12_N800! |
| 03:00.30 | qwerty12_N800 | goodbye world. looks like the stick did it :p |
| 03:01.37 | qwerty12_N800 | it did what no glock could. remove this g off the earth. |
| 03:02.24 | GAN8001 | Ha |
| 03:02.30 | GAN8001 | YOU ARE NOT A GANGSTER! |
| 03:02.39 | GAN8001 | Gangsters don't hack Linux handhelds. :P |
| 03:02.51 | qwerty12_N800 | lmao true |
| 03:04.22 | GAN8001 | I wish HAVA would allow more than one remote connection. |
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| 03:05.03 | qwerty12_N800 | i think it's legal requirement iirc :( |
| 03:05.09 | GAN8001 | Yeah, I know |
| 03:05.12 | GAN8001 | But I wish |
| 03:06.02 | qwerty12_N800 | Time to get out the disassembler (and a ssh running on the box) :p |
| 03:06.12 | GAN8001 | Hehe |
| 03:06.34 | GAN8001 | I could manage something with a VLC forwarder |
| 03:07.00 | summatusmentis | does gpe-calendar not have a .desktop file? |
| 03:07.16 | summatusmentis | oh wait, there it is |
| 03:08.12 | qwerty12_N800 | plans on looking into garnet when they ditch us/. unlike the rest off the linux oss community, i don't have morals |
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| 03:21.14 | GAN8001 | I'm 90% certain both the requests here have already been filed, anybody remember the bug numbers? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3206 |
| 03:22.46 | qwerty12_N800 | Were they fixed officialy? |
| 03:23.17 | GAN8001 | No |
| 03:23.45 | qwerty12_N800 | search for rotation and echowb on bugzilla i'd guess then |
| 03:25.38 | GAN8001 | Well, 3106 is one |
| 03:25.52 | GAN8001 | I guess I'll just call it a duplicate of #100. |
| 03:27.47 | qwerty12_N800 | night. must sleep and get at least 4h :/ |
| 03:31.52 | summatusmentis | I should sleep too |
| 03:34.46 | qwerty12_N800 | bollox. you realise it's not worth trying when the night has turned to light >.< |
| 03:36.52 | GAN8001 | Haha |
| 03:36.54 | GAN8001 | FAIL! |
| 03:36.58 | GAN8001 | Early sunrise |
| 03:37.37 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe, gonna hate myself for it later on today :/ |
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| 03:43.15 | GAN8001 | You just gotta power through, qwerty12_N800. |
| 03:43.28 | qwerty12_N800 | :) |
| 03:43.55 | GAN8001 | It's hard getting through the bad part in the morning |
| 03:44.07 | GAN8001 | but once you get through, you'll have a massive second wind. :P |
| 03:44.17 | GAN8001 | You just can't wimp out and sleep in the morning |
| 03:44.26 | GAN8001 | or else your schedule will be fucked up for weeks. |
| 03:45.07 | qwerty12_N800 | I always get up in the morning, never been one to stay in bed for ages :) |
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| 04:09.55 | rm_you | pokes X-Fade again |
| 04:12.04 | qwerty12_N800 | rm_you is determined :p |
| 04:12.23 | GAN800 | He's probably drunk and asleep. |
| 04:13.30 | Navi | Woo |
| 04:13.38 | Navi | good combination |
| 04:13.46 | rm_you | lol |
| 04:13.46 | GAN800 | Like Navi wishes he were. |
| 04:13.55 | rm_you | too much drinking in the last few days |
| 04:14.01 | rm_you | i've stopped for a bit :P |
| 04:14.09 | rm_you | and i only woke up at 6PM |
| 04:14.11 | rm_you | sooooo, no |
| 04:14.31 | GAN800 | Drinking kills me. |
| 04:14.35 | Navi | I wish I were in GAN800's bed |
| 04:14.40 | rm_you | <_< |
| 04:14.42 | rm_you | pokes X-Fade again |
| 04:14.56 | GAN800 | Yeah, I have a nicr serta. : |
| 04:14.57 | Navi | I don't keep my alcohol down well |
| 04:15.06 | GAN800 | Lightweight |
| 04:15.23 | GAN800 | neither do I |
| 04:15.27 | rm_you | heh |
| 04:15.36 | rm_you | I wonder if me and GAN would get along IRL if we hung out :P |
| 04:15.44 | Navi | GAN800, you can have the HAVA |
| 04:16.17 | GAN800 | We should have a tablet meetingzin Texas. |
| 04:16.34 | rm_you | lol |
| 04:16.39 | rm_you | you're in florida, no? |
| 04:16.41 | Navi | Ew |
| 04:16.43 | Navi | Texas |
| 04:16.48 | rm_you | well, yeah i know like 4 people in TX that have em |
| 04:16.57 | Navi | I only know two |
| 04:17.01 | GAN800 | Navi's a self-hating Texan? |
| 04:17.03 | Navi | rm_you and Mara |
| 04:17.13 | GAN800 | and Texrat |
| 04:17.17 | rm_you | Navi: you in TX? |
| 04:17.18 | Navi | I don't know Texrat |
| 04:17.23 | GAN800 | Yeah, Florida |
| 04:17.27 | rm_you | ooo texrat in texas? makes sense :P |
| 04:17.31 | Navi | I live in Florida |
| 04:17.40 | Navi | under GAN800's bed |
| 04:17.48 | GAN800 | We'd probably have a, like, for-real fight if we hung out IRL rm_you. |
| 04:17.49 | rm_you | lol |
| 04:17.55 | rm_you | heh |
| 04:17.55 | GAN800 | :P |
| 04:17.58 | rm_you | pokes X-Fade again |
| 04:18.07 | Navi | GAN800's confrentational |
| 04:18.09 | GAN800 | Navi's the boogieman |
| 04:18.23 | Navi | s/fren/fron |
| 04:18.33 | Navi | I'm a boogieit |
| 04:18.37 | Navi | I have no gender |
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| 04:20.03 | GAN800 | Gross fairy |
| 04:20.48 | Navi | Indeed |
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| 04:39.39 | rm_you | pokes X-Fade again |
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| 04:51.35 | GAN800 | Poor X-Fade |
| 04:56.06 | Navi | X-Love |
| 04:57.29 | lopz | night |
| 04:57.44 | RST38h | GAN |
| 04:57.49 | RST38h | GAN: Have you slept? =) |
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| 05:08.53 | GAN800 | Not yet, RST38h |
| 05:08.58 | GAN800 | 0107 |
| 05:11.34 | Navi | yeah, WAY too early to sleep |
| 05:13.17 | ralann | sleep is forthe weak |
| 05:15.11 | RST38h | heh |
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| 05:26.46 | beford | :/ |
| 05:29.22 | beford | my n810 halted down while idle (and plugged to the charger) and it did not mount mmc1 neither mmc2 |
| 05:32.17 | rm_you | pokes X-Fade again |
| 05:33.33 | beford | it works again :] |
| 05:35.50 | beford | wow. cool, did not know that maemo's file manager allowed me to see windows shares |
| 05:52.11 | RST38h | btw, in a deb file name projectX.Y.Z_wordNNN.deb what do "word" and "NNN" mean? |
| 05:53.06 | beford | platform? as in x86/amd64,arm |
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| 05:58.45 | RST38h | well, osso debs seem to have these parts of the name random |
| 05:58.55 | RST38h | some of them say osso others say something else |
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| 06:10.55 | beford | like what RST38h? |
| 06:12.16 | RST38h | like "bdfg" |
| 06:15.22 | KotCzarny | it comes from debian i think |
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| 06:16.40 | sibbe | dfsg perhaps? (debian free software guideline) |
| 06:23.37 | kulve | packagename_version_arch.deb |
| 06:26.14 | GAN800 | RST38h, did you see the packaging guide draft? |
| 06:30.06 | RST38h | GAN: Nope |
| 06:30.16 | RST38h | sibbe: correct |
| 06:32.14 | RST38h | GAN: Ah, I see what it was intended to mean |
| 06:33.29 | RST38h | the document does suggest using "maemo" rather than "osso", but I guess "osso" is used for historical reasons/ |
| 06:33.31 | RST38h | , |
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| 06:39.18 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 06:39.52 | Navi | Afternoon |
| 06:39.57 | Navi | What? |
| 06:40.04 | Navi | I'm not thinking straight |
| 06:40.15 | Navi | It's 1:40AM >_> |
| 06:42.38 | GAN8001 | Ha |
| 06:42.41 | GAN8001 | Go to bed, Navi. |
| 06:43.02 | Jaffa | Yeah - GAN8001 isn't that interesting ;-) |
| 06:43.27 | Navi | Night |
| 06:43.46 | rm_you | hehe |
| 06:43.51 | rm_you | pokes X-Fade again |
| 06:43.57 | rm_you | sup Jaffa :) |
| 06:44.09 | rm_you | hey, what have you been working on recently? |
| 06:44.25 | rm_you | mediaserv has been pretty much done for a while, right? |
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| 06:47.09 | Jaffa | rm_you: got a few things on the TODO, but I've not got any itches to scratch with it at the moment; and very little time. |
| 06:47.19 | rm_you | yeah :/ |
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| 07:26.58 | rm_you | pokes X-Fade again |
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| 07:28.23 | GAN800 | lol |
| 07:31.09 | rm_you | pokes X-Fade again |
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| 08:05.47 | Proteous | soooo muchhh poking |
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| 08:11.09 | rm_you | indeed |
| 08:11.10 | rm_you | pokes X-Fade again |
| 08:11.19 | rm_you | i want an extras account :P |
| 08:14.34 | RST38h | rm you |
| 08:17.58 | rm_you | RST38h |
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| 08:32.08 | rm_you | pokes X-Fade again |
| 08:36.34 | GAN8001 | Woo |
| 08:36.40 | rm_you | >_> |
| 08:36.42 | rm_you | pokes X-Fade again |
| 08:36.44 | GAN8001 | Pool pump's clean at 4 in the morning |
| 08:36.52 | rm_you | GAN8001: have you gone to sleep ever since i did? |
| 08:37.09 | GAN8001 | Now I wont have to wake up at 9 tomorrow to do it before the showing! |
| 08:37.16 | rm_you | selling the house? |
| 08:37.20 | Jaffa | Showing? |
| 08:37.33 | GAN8001 | I haven't been to sleep in . . . 19 hours |
| 08:37.41 | GAN8001 | Yeah, selling the house. |
| 08:37.55 | GAN8001 | Some people are coming to look at 11 |
| 08:38.04 | GAN8001 | Pool wont be green now. :D |
| 08:38.33 | rm_you | i know some people who didn't like their house, so they wanted to sell it |
| 08:38.43 | rm_you | and their real estate agent (my dad) made them clean it for the showing |
| 08:39.02 | rm_you | and then they decided they didn't want to sell it, because it looked so nice when it was clean that they didn't recognize it |
| 08:39.09 | GAN8001 | Ha |
| 08:39.13 | GAN8001 | Weird |
| 08:39.24 | rm_you | apparently it hadn |
| 08:39.31 | rm_you | hadn't been *clean* in YEARS |
| 08:39.38 | GAN8001 | Horrifying |
| 08:39.50 | ralann | lol |
| 08:39.56 | ralann | that's sad |
| 08:40.02 | rm_you | http://www.di.fm/mp3/hardcore.pls |
| 08:40.08 | rm_you | nice ian van dahl remix |
| 08:40.26 | GAN8001 | Ugh, Quim's blog posts are always such mindgames. |
| 08:40.42 | rm_you | lol? |
| 08:42.35 | ralann | ya, actually i did |
| 08:44.58 | GAN8001 | Partly language barrier and partly my own stupidity. :P |
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| 08:55.45 | Jaffa | GAN8001: in particular? |
| 08:59.49 | GAN800 | In particular the most recent one, and mostly just because I'm tired. 'mindgames' is the wrong term (as it implies active ambiguation). I should say cerebral/philosophical/academic for my tastes. |
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| 09:01.47 | Jaffa | I think I know what you mean. |
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| 09:25.11 | RST38h | GAN: Are you using "mindgames" as an euphemism for "demagogery"? =) |
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| 10:27.02 | rm_you | pokes X-Fade again |
| 10:27.41 | qwerty12 | That is some serious amount of poking |
| 10:27.55 | qwerty12 | if that was me, I'd pack it in and pull out the glock :p |
| 10:28.06 | rm_you | lol |
| 10:28.11 | rm_you | been poking him for like 8 hours |
| 10:28.21 | rm_you | eventually maybe he'll respond :P |
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| 11:10.59 | johnx | hey, rm_you :D |
| 11:11.51 | rm_you | hey johnx :P |
| 11:11.54 | rm_you | pokes X-Fade again |
| 11:12.08 | rm_you | back on my summer schedule of 9am-6pm sleep ;P |
| 11:13.36 | johnx | does that mean I'll see more or less of you? O_o |
| 11:14.38 | rm_you | hrm |
| 11:14.46 | rm_you | dunno :P when are you generally here? :P |
| 11:15.08 | johnx | well, when I'm on night shift I tend to sleep 8AM to 4PM :/ |
| 11:15.14 | rm_you | hrm |
| 11:15.16 | rm_you | >_> |
| 11:15.18 | johnx | heh |
| 11:15.27 | johnx | still I'm on different schedules, different days :) |
| 11:15.34 | rm_you | well... for the record, i will prolly be going to sleep in... 5 hours |
| 11:15.35 | rm_you | ish |
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| 11:34.41 | AStorm | KotCzarny: hmm, the trick with Xomap might be that it uses an older version of OMAPFB_UPDATE_WINDOW ioctl |
| 11:35.09 | AStorm | thus I'd either need a rebuild of it (do we have a source?) or to write a compat ioctl. |
| 11:35.57 | johnx | AStorm, there is source |
| 11:36.26 | AStorm | yay, gimme! |
| 11:36.43 | AStorm | then I'll build it vs 2.6.25 headers and rock |
| 11:36.52 | AStorm | or 2.6.26 headers for that matter |
| 11:37.24 | johnx | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.0.1/free/x/xorg-server/ |
| 11:37.38 | AStorm | :> |
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| 11:37.46 | AStorm | how to add these to scratchbox? |
| 11:38.04 | johnx | pull those two files down and run dpkg-source -x foo.dsc |
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| 11:40.54 | qwerty12_N800 | or just apt-get source xorg-server |
| 11:40.57 | AStorm | hmm, and it won't cry about deps? |
| 11:41.02 | AStorm | ah, that will work, right |
| 11:41.16 | AStorm | will install^Wuse that scratchbox finally |
| 11:42.13 | AStorm | ok, the next q: how then I package it into a deb? |
| 11:42.38 | johnx | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
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| 11:49.07 | AStorm | mhm |
| 11:49.18 | AStorm | what if I want to make a package out of linux-headers? |
| 11:49.35 | AStorm | (you know, make install-headers or some other debian-preferred way) |
| 11:50.20 | johnx | any time you apt-get source you can use dpkg-buildpackage I think |
| 11:50.52 | AStorm | yes, but it won't be apt-get source :| |
| 11:51.10 | AStorm | I think there are no linux-headers of 2.6.25-omap or newer in debian tree ;P |
| 11:51.53 | AStorm | no, there are some |
| 11:51.55 | AStorm | in sid |
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| 12:13.00 | secureendpoints | is there anyone here who knows the internals of HildonFM particularly well? |
| 12:13.29 | AStorm | why do you need someone like that? |
| 12:16.49 | secureendpoints | because I am one of the gatekeepers of OpenAFS and we ported OpenAFS to the N810 but there are several behaviors of HildonFM that are less than desirable for us. In particular, HildonFM walks directory trees to determine how many nodes are under each visible folder. We do not see the same behavior for SMB or UPnP mounts. I'm wondering if SMB and UPnP are special cased or if there is some... |
| 12:16.50 | secureendpoints | ...method of configuration that we can apply to alter the HildonFM behaviors for AFS as well. |
| 12:17.11 | AStorm | no, SMB and UPnP are handled by gnome-vfs |
| 12:17.23 | AStorm | and I guess OpenAFS looks like a filesystem? |
| 12:18.05 | secureendpoints | OpenAFS is mounted as /afs on all systems on which it is installed. It has its own Linux kernel module. |
| 12:18.34 | qwerty12_N800 | the source (for at least libhildonfm) can be found on the maemo stage |
| 12:19.03 | AStorm | yes |
| 12:19.08 | AStorm | the source is available |
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| 12:20.38 | sxw | Yes - I've been looking at that source. |
| 12:20.49 | sxw | Both SMB and UPNP appear to be special cased in hildon-fm. |
| 12:22.12 | AStorm | they go through gnome-vfs, right? |
| 12:22.20 | AStorm | or is that just an mtab check? |
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| 12:23.45 | sxw | They do go through gnome-vfs in terms of actually doing the donkey work of accessing files. But the filemanager has some code which appears to specifically handle those file system types. See hildon-file-system-smb.c and hildon-file-system-upnp.c which define specific file system classes |
| 12:24.04 | AStorm | duuur |
| 12:24.09 | AStorm | evil |
| 12:24.18 | AStorm | can't they just use gnome-vfs as usual? ;P |
| 12:26.29 | RST38h | sxw: Wrong |
| 12:26.47 | RST38h | sxw: I am getting bt://.... stuff from file manager when opening files of my mime type |
| 12:27.09 | sxw | Sorry, I don't follow you. |
| 12:27.34 | RST38h | sxw: When you click on a file in file manager and it starts application registered to handle file's mime type |
| 12:28.03 | sxw | It's not file behaviour that I'm interested in, but file system behaviour. |
| 12:28.10 | RST38h | sxw: If this file is located somewhere else, not in the local file system, file manager will not copy it locally |
| 12:28.15 | RST38h | It will just pass you the url |
| 12:28.15 | secureendpoints | our problem is that /afs appears to be mime type file: |
| 12:28.36 | sxw | Indeed, and the application uses the gnome-vfs API to access that file. |
| 12:29.51 | sxw | But, when it's handling directories, the behaviour appears to be determined by the hildon-fm API. In particular, unless its told otherwise, this API will open all of the child directories of an object when it's displaying that object. |
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| 12:30.46 | sxw | When you're accessing a directory containing several hundred objects, each of which may contain several hundred sub directories, and all of these are distributed across many hundreds of file servers distributed world wide, this behaviour is a little sub-optimal. |
| 12:37.40 | rm_you | pokes X-Fade again |
| 12:38.38 | qwerty12_N800 | lmao |
| 12:38.44 | RST38h | sxw: Oh you mean THAT |
| 12:38.52 | qwerty12_N800 | feels sorry for rm_you |
| 12:38.53 | rm_you | lol |
| 12:39.08 | RST38h | sxw: Yes, the @#&^%^%ing hildon fm dialog will descdend 1 level down |
| 12:39.15 | AStorm | :P |
| 12:39.17 | rm_you | will continue to poke X-Fade for days if he has to |
| 12:39.31 | RST38h | sxw: Scan all the files. And just to make space for them, it will memmap 100+MB from the system |
| 12:39.49 | RST38h | sxw: This you can easily see by running top |
| 12:39.52 | sxw | Yup. It looks like you can disable that by having a location class within hildon-fm which has request_access set to TRUE |
| 12:40.05 | sxw | (for the location you'd like it to play nicely with) |
| 12:40.22 | AStorm | we need a real file manager other than mc |
| 12:40.45 | AStorm | maybe a variant of Thunar? |
| 12:40.53 | qwerty12_N800 | emelfm2 is nice |
| 12:41.08 | sxw | It's not just the file manager though - it's any application which has an 'Open' or 'Save' dialog. |
| 12:41.20 | qwerty12_N800 | has a port of pcmanfm somewhere that i didn't release |
| 12:41.31 | AStorm | sxw: can't that be hacked away? ;P |
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| 12:41.47 | qwerty12_N800 | steal the open diablo from fbreader |
| 12:41.59 | qwerty12_N800 | s/diablo/dialog/ |
| 12:42.03 | qwerty12_N800 | heh |
| 12:42.23 | AStorm | infobot meant: infobot should stfu |
| 12:42.32 | qwerty12_N800 | fbreader's got the best i've seen on a tablet, very fast |
| 12:42.33 | RST38h | sxw: it is common behaviour for this dialog box |
| 12:42.53 | RST38h | No gentlemen, no hacking. The hildon fm dialog has to be FIXED |
| 12:43.02 | AStorm | exactly |
| 12:43.09 | RST38h | (and whatever intern coded it this way has to be shot) |
| 12:43.21 | AStorm | ~lart Nokia intern |
| 12:43.21 | infobot | does a little 'dpkg -P Nokia intern' action |
| 12:43.29 | qwerty12_N800 | compile your own version ;) and submit it |
| 12:45.07 | qwerty12_N800 | https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/tags/hildon-fm/ |
| 12:45.23 | RST38h | qwerty: If I knew that my changes would go into official release I would |
| 12:45.28 | RST38h | Otherwise, it is useless |
| 12:45.34 | qwerty12_N800 | True :/ |
| 12:47.04 | qwerty12_N800 | Can't you distrobute a separate version for developers to use? My faith isn't so high in nokia for bug fixing. |
| 12:47.14 | RST38h | They do try to optiimize children loaidng |
| 12:47.24 | RST38h | There is a comment "do not scan if expensive" |
| 12:47.41 | sxw | Yes. That's the request_access flag I was talking about. |
| 12:47.48 | sxw | It's set by the location class. |
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| 12:48.43 | sxw | The question I'm currently trying to work out is whether I can dynamically load additional location classes |
| 12:49.06 | AStorm | ok, what was I supposed to disable again to run scratchbox? (some proc) |
| 12:49.16 | AStorm | (related to stack randomization) |
| 12:49.47 | qwerty12_N800 | vdso? and lowering mmap value (for ubuntu at least) |
| 12:50.04 | RST38h | Look at hildon_file_system_special_location_requires_access |
| 12:50.10 | RST38h | In https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/tags/hildon-fm/2.9-1/hildon-fm/hildon-file-system-special-location.c |
| 12:50.10 | qwerty12_N800 | only things i can think of :/ |
| 12:50.18 | RST38h | This function should return true for large directories |
| 12:50.42 | AStorm | qwerty12_N800: yes, vdso |
| 12:51.47 | sxw | Yes. But in order to make it return true, you either need to alter the shipping code (rather not), or find some way of dynamically loading a special location class into Hildon FM (which is what I'd rather do, if its possible) |
| 12:52.40 | AStorm | is there some newer scratchbox install script? |
| 12:53.56 | GAN800 | No, RST38h. |
| 12:54.24 | RST38h | No? |
| 12:54.44 | RST38h | votes for altering shipped code |
| 12:54.44 | GAN800 | Not the term I was looking for. ;) |
| 12:55.00 | RST38h | Ah, that one... |
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| 13:04.20 | rm_you | pokes X-Fade again |
| 13:05.49 | Anunakin | Working on mouse emulation... |
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| 13:39.17 | lopz | hi |
| 13:43.12 | rm_you | pokes X-Fade again |
| 13:46.36 | GAN800 | Persistent bugger. :P |
| 13:48.00 | rm_you | lol |
| 13:48.09 | rm_you | gonna do it until he responds :P |
| 13:48.20 | rm_you | might go on a sleep strike |
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| 13:48.41 | GAN800 | I want to know how many highlights he has when he gets back. : |
| 13:49.10 | GAN800 | 'course, he may see the number and just not COME back. :P |
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| 13:59.26 | rm_you | pokes X-Fade again |
| 14:05.23 | summatusmentis | I'm expecting to not see rm_you again after he XFade comes back |
| 14:05.31 | rm_you | lol |
| 14:05.55 | summatusmentis | -he |
| 14:06.42 | GAN800 | Highlight and run |
| 14:06.56 | summatusmentis | :) |
| 14:09.51 | rm_you | lol X-Fade X-Fade X-Fade |
| 14:10.06 | rm_you | GAN800: why am I poking him again? :P |
| 14:11.47 | RST38h | rm: it is weekend so you will probably have to do it for another 30-40 hours |
| 14:12.08 | rm_you | >_< |
| 14:15.21 | GAN800 | Not so much that, but LinuxTag. :P |
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| 14:17.59 | rm_you | whatever... i'll just try on Monday then |
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| 14:20.53 | drwx | hi |
| 14:21.55 | drwx | I'm doing a sdl based program on my N810, and I want to draw some text but sdl_ttf is not in maemo. How can I do? |
| 14:22.34 | drwx | I dont understand how canola and others can draw text |
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| 14:28.18 | GAN800 | Canola is efl, drwx |
| 14:28.35 | GAN800 | You want to talk to lcuk for fast text rendering. |
| 14:28.54 | GAN800 | He's at LinuxTag until Sunday or Monday, though. |
| 14:30.30 | drwx | where it is? |
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| 14:32.42 | GAN800 | Where what is? |
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| 14:32.55 | drwx | LinuxTag |
| 14:33.02 | GAN800 | Germany |
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| 14:36.26 | summatusmentis | what happens if I'm getting post install errors from a deb? is there a way I can remove everything it installs manually, and then reinstalling? |
| 14:36.51 | GAN800 | Which deb? |
| 14:36.56 | summatusmentis | openafs |
| 14:37.13 | summatusmentis | I'm already talking to the dev |
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| 14:47.48 | summatusmentis | dang it! penguinbait isn't here. KOffice can save to .doc! |
| 14:48.35 | summatusmentis | GAN800: do you know if there's any way to run kde programs without needing to 'boot' kde ? |
| 14:48.50 | summatusmentis | like, put them in the native maemo meu? |
| 14:49.04 | GAN800 | Debian chroot? |
| 14:50.33 | summatusmentis | are you suggesting it, or asking if I'm running one |
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| 14:52.38 | GAN800 | Suggesting |
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| 14:53.07 | GAN800 | As my experience is limited with KDE (not at all suited to the tablets imo) |
| 14:54.29 | summatusmentis | mmm... I'm still playing with it, but fi I can run some KDE apps without needing the whole thing, that would rock |
| 14:55.50 | qwerty12 | doesn't like KDE. cpu usage would blow a massive hole in the N800's ass and watchdog would come in and reboot the n800 >.< |
| 14:55.57 | qwerty12 | prefers GNOME |
| 14:56.08 | unixSnob | question on the n800 internal flash.. not the internal SD card, but the non-volatile memory that hosts maemo normally: is it NOR, or NAND? What file system is used? |
| 14:56.08 | summatusmentis | I wonder if that's what just happened, my n810 just rebooted |
| 14:56.29 | qwerty12 | unixSnob, Filesystem is jffs2 |
| 14:56.44 | qwerty12 | Also I'm sure it's nand |
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| 14:57.07 | unixSnob | thanks qwerty12 |
| 14:57.26 | unixSnob | So does the hardware internally have wear leveling? |
| 14:57.58 | qwerty12 | No idea about the hardware itself, sorry. You should ask at maemo-developers, hopefully Igor will respond :/ |
| 14:58.02 | GAN800 | summatusmentis, http://geekpenguin.blogspot.com/2008/05/so-close-to-complete.html |
| 14:58.03 | unixSnob | I'm wondering if wear leveling is both performed at a low level in the hardware, and also by jffs2, what's the result? |
| 14:58.21 | unixSnob | k |
| 14:58.43 | GAN800 | jffs2 does wear leveling. |
| 14:58.57 | GAN800 | That the whole point of jffs2 |
| 14:59.08 | unixSnob | right.. but what if it happens internally as well? |
| 14:59.09 | disq | and compression :) |
| 14:59.13 | qwerty12 | "I present OpenOffice running natively on a Nokia Internet Tablet :-)" - Is it really native when you have to use a Debian port? |
| 14:59.18 | GAN800 | It doesn't |
| 14:59.31 | unixSnob | it's a duplication, and the two algorithms can undo each other |
| 14:59.32 | GAN800 | otherwise it wouldn't need jffs2 |
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| 14:59.41 | unixSnob | ok |
| 14:59.48 | GAN800 | Give Nokia some credit. . . . |
| 15:00.10 | GAN800 | If that were happening, somebody's flash would be burnt. |
| 15:00.27 | unixSnob | I've heard that all recent flash hardware does wear leveling |
| 15:00.27 | unixSnob | So does this mean Nokia managed to get some old h/w |
| 15:00.45 | GAN800 | qwerty12, it's running armel, so yes. :P |
| 15:01.12 | qwerty12 | heh :) |
| 15:01.13 | GAN800 | No, mtd devices like the nand in the NITs just do it in software |
| 15:01.27 | GAN800 | Recent would mean SD cards, etc. |
| 15:02.18 | summatusmentis | GAN800: so does that mean I need to have the debian chroot setup? Or can that be installed directly in maemo? |
| 15:02.22 | unixSnob | GAN800 - well the flash will burn out eventually, even with wear leveling. So I'm wonder if that's a motivating factor for folks who are moving their OS to removable media |
| 15:02.44 | qwerty12 | "/* Rotate the lists by some number to ensure wear levelling */ |
| 15:02.44 | qwerty12 | jffs2_rotate_lists(c);" |
| 15:02.53 | GAN800 | Not with newer flash longevity. |
| 15:03.31 | GAN800 | It's about space, speed, and convenience. |
| 15:03.39 | GAN800 | summa |
| 15:03.55 | GAN800 | summatusmentis, you'd need the chroot. |
| 15:05.06 | unixSnob | is considering booting SD media on a desktop machine |
| 15:05.06 | unixSnob | I have no idea if my cheap kensington SD card offers wear leveling. I was thinking about putting jffs2 on it just to be safe.. but I could end up having two wear leveling algorithms running |
| 15:05.24 | qwerty12 | jffs2 on a SD is odd |
| 15:05.36 | GAN800 | and stupid |
| 15:05.52 | GAN800 | All modern SDs that I've ever seen have leveling. |
| 15:06.16 | GAN800 | jffs2 would take a while to load 2-16gb into memory |
| 15:06.36 | GAN800 | It takes long enough for 256mb <_< |
| 15:06.48 | summatusmentis | does anyone know if there's a way to uninstall kde? |
| 15:07.05 | qwerty12 | summatusmentis, Did you use the non sd boot method? |
| 15:07.17 | GAN800 | unixSnob, I don't buy the 'two algorithms' argument, either. |
| 15:07.38 | GAN800 | summatusmentis, nuke it from orbit. |
| 15:08.12 | qwerty12 | has ultimate recipe for cvs disaster >.< |
| 15:08.32 | GAN800 | CVS is a drugstore here. |
| 15:08.44 | GAN800 | unplug all the refrigerators? |
| 15:09.34 | qwerty12 | Heh, no, I'm gonna check out the source by hand, using the web interface. But here's the best bit, it's stored on the web.archive.org >.< |
| 15:09.38 | summatusmentis | qwerty12: I transferred everything to sd, and installed natively |
| 15:10.22 | qwerty12 | I'd just reformat the SD ext2 partition then and clone again :/ |
| 15:10.38 | summatusmentis | GAN800: I have heard that you're not supposed to put jffs2 on an SD, for that reason |
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| 15:11.03 | qwerty12 | The tools to manipulate jffs2 stuff comes in mtd-utils. |
| 15:11.09 | qwerty12 | I think mtd gives it away. |
| 15:11.22 | summatusmentis | booting from flash |
| 15:12.43 | qwerty12 | Still though, if I can get this cvs to compile, I know we are gonna have one hell of a game ;)... |
| 15:13.26 | summatusmentis | qwerty12: I like the reformat thing. It'll fix my openafs problem too :) |
| 15:13.56 | qwerty12 | In all honesty, KDE installs too much to ensure a "clean" removal |
| 15:14.19 | qwerty12 | I used the old method and it had nuked my /usr/share/local |
| 15:14.41 | summatusmentis | what was the old method? |
| 15:14.57 | summatusmentis | also, where is the internal sd(on n810) mounted? |
| 15:15.00 | qwerty12 | Where it places kde.img and local.img in the root of your FAT formatted partition |
| 15:15.06 | qwerty12 | /media/mmc2 |
| 15:15.42 | summatusmentis | is it /dev/mmcblk1 ? |
| 15:15.53 | qwerty12 | That's not a mount point |
| 15:16.07 | summatusmentis | no, I know, I need the /dev file to reformat though |
| 15:16.19 | qwerty12 | mmcblk1 is external cards iirc |
| 15:16.22 | qwerty12 | run df -h |
| 15:16.31 | qwerty12 | and it will tell you mount point and /dev entry |
| 15:16.44 | unixSnob | summatusmentis: you're not supposed to put jffs2 on SD for what reason? Efficiency, or because two wear leveling algorithms reduce the wear protection? |
| 15:16.50 | summatusmentis | I don't see anything relating to soething over 256M |
| 15:16.58 | summatusmentis | unixSnob: because of the two algorithms |
| 15:17.09 | summatusmentis | i don't know where i heard that, or how true it is, but I have also heard it |
| 15:17.20 | unixSnob | okay thanks.. I was just guessing that the two algorithms would interfere.. but was unsure |
| 15:18.25 | unixSnob | Most of my SD cards were purchased years ago in rebate clearance kind of deals, so if there exists SD cards w/out wear leveling, I probably have them. |
| 15:18.30 | summatusmentis | qwerty12: would a complete reflash fix all of this? it should restore to factory settins right? |
| 15:19.03 | qwerty12 | summatusmentis, yes except that your internal 2gb will still be the same |
| 15:19.18 | summatusmentis | there's no nokia way to repair that |
| 15:19.56 | qwerty12 | no |
| 15:20.05 | qwerty12 | Remember that nokia don't really expect this to happen :p |
| 15:20.18 | qwerty12 | Just run sfdisk and reset the partition table back to normal |
| 15:23.15 | summatusmentis | qwerty12: what is the flash /dev file? or is it not accessible? |
| 15:23.38 | qwerty12 | You really don't want to touch that one. You also have no reason to touch it. |
| 15:23.42 | summatusmentis | I just want to make sure I don't destry the internal flash by reformatting it |
| 15:23.46 | summatusmentis | destroy* |
| 15:23.55 | RST38h | reformatting does not destroy flash |
| 15:24.13 | summatusmentis | ok, not destroy, but make my machine un-bootable |
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| 15:32.34 | summatusmentis | qwerty12: maybe I'm missing something here, mmcblk0 should be my internal 2GB. How do I delete the partitions? |
| 15:32.50 | qwerty12 | sfdisk |
| 15:33.04 | summatusmentis | just sfdisk /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 15:33.32 | qwerty12 | Something like that, I haven't used it in ages |
| 15:33.40 | qwerty12 | it may be easier to search for it on itt |
| 15:33.44 | mgedmin | sfdisk is a command-line tool |
| 15:34.05 | mgedmin | cfdisk is a nice and friendly interactive ncurses-based terminal app that I usually use |
| 15:34.12 | mgedmin | but I don't know if it's available for maemo |
| 15:34.24 | qwerty12 | it isn't so everyone uses sfdisk |
| 15:34.32 | mgedmin | I repartitioned mine over usb |
| 15:35.31 | summatusmentis | qwerty12: are there normally 3 partitions? |
| 15:35.37 | qwerty12 | No |
| 15:35.50 | mgedmin | summatusmentis: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 15:36.09 | summatusmentis | mgedmin: I cloned rootfs, and installed kde |
| 15:36.28 | summatusmentis | I want to get rid of everything on my internal sd, and re-close rootfs, without kde |
| 15:36.55 | summatusmentis | or potentially install a chroot there, I'm not sure yet, but basically return internal sd to factory settings |
| 15:37.35 | mgedmin | to return it to factory settings, you can reformat it from the file manager |
| 15:37.43 | mgedmin | no, I'm lying |
| 15:37.58 | mgedmin | the factory settings may have an incorrect partition size, which the file manager will fix (yay) |
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| 15:38.15 | mgedmin | and the factory condition included gps maps for your country on the internal flash |
| 15:38.20 | mgedmin | which you won't see after reformatting |
| 15:38.37 | summatusmentis | I don't care about that, I deleted "Map" anyway |
| 15:38.44 | mgedmin | but you'll get a single 2GB FAT partition which is pretty close to the factory settings |
| 15:39.17 | summatusmentis | I had no idea there was a GUI way of doing it |
| 15:39.35 | mgedmin | file manager, select the internal memory card on the list on the left, then menu, tools, format memory card |
| 15:39.41 | mgedmin | it's a bit hidden that way |
| 15:39.43 | summatusmentis | that makes life easy, thanks! |
| 15:39.51 | nano- | My N810 doesn't boot. First it was stuck in a reboot loop, then I tried reflashing it and then it failed writing the rootfs and now it doesn't boot at all, except when i plug in the power cable. |
| 15:39.58 | mgedmin | ouch |
| 15:40.01 | summatusmentis | mgedmin: if I were of age, I'd buy you a beer |
| 15:40.20 | mgedmin | heh |
| 15:40.24 | mgedmin | I don't drink beer ;-) |
| 15:40.28 | nano- | is there any nice hardware flash-mode that the device can be put in with a keycombination? |
| 15:40.43 | summatusmentis | GAN800: can you pm me the commands I need to reflash NOLO and initfs? |
| 15:40.51 | mgedmin | nano-: can you try reflashing again? |
| 15:41.03 | mgedmin | I don't think the rootfs is needed for flashing |
| 15:41.06 | qwerty12 | summatusmentis, only initfs flash is needed |
| 15:41.09 | nano- | mgedmin: doesn't that require the device be found by the computer? |
| 15:41.22 | mgedmin | nano-: how do you mean? |
| 15:41.23 | nano- | mgedmin: dmesg says nothing any longer. |
| 15:41.25 | GAN8001 | ./flasher-2.0 -F <FIASCO image> --flash-only=nolo -R |
| 15:41.26 | mgedmin | the proper procedure is |
| 15:41.32 | mgedmin | (1) make sure the battery is fully charged |
| 15:41.32 | summatusmentis | qwerty12: ok, I need to update NOLO and initfs |
| 15:41.35 | nano- | mgedmin: about any usb device.. |
| 15:41.42 | mgedmin | (2) start the flasher on the desktop -- it will say it doesn't see a usb device |
| 15:41.50 | mgedmin | (3) turn off the tablet and unplug it |
| 15:42.04 | mgedmin | (it doesn't turn off while the charger is plugged) |
| 15:42.09 | mgedmin | (4) connect the usb cable |
| 15:42.10 | qwerty12 | summatusmentis, Ah, disregard what I said then :) |
| 15:42.11 | mgedmin | (5) power it on |
| 15:42.21 | qwerty12 | (I thought you were removing bootmenu) |
| 15:42.31 | nano- | mgedmin: yes, that doesn't work. |
| 15:42.32 | mgedmin | also, (0) make sure you've got the right image |
| 15:42.40 | nano- | mgedmin: still waiting.. |
| 15:42.41 | mgedmin | and the right flasher |
| 15:42.50 | mgedmin | which is flasher-3.0, I think |
| 15:42.53 | mgedmin | if your device is a n8x0 |
| 15:42.57 | nano- | mgedmin: the device boots up to show the text "NOKIA", blue on white background, then shuts down. |
| 15:42.58 | summatusmentis | qwerty12: I updated some things, when I couldn't access the right image, now I need to update the rest |
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| 15:43.01 | GAN8001 | flasher-2.0 on OS X. |
| 15:43.05 | nano- | mgedmin: yes, n810 |
| 15:43.07 | summatusmentis | GAN800: will that do both? |
| 15:43.08 | mgedmin | oh, does it work? |
| 15:43.20 | mgedmin | I thought 2.0 didn't work with the newest OS/device |
| 15:43.21 | nano- | mgedmin: No, that's why I'm asking here. |
| 15:43.26 | mgedmin | maybe that's only on linux |
| 15:43.31 | nano- | I'm using 3.0 |
| 15:43.33 | mgedmin | on linux you should definitely use 3.0 |
| 15:43.39 | shapr | hugs mgedmin |
| 15:43.43 | GAN8001 | It's always worked fine, mgedmin. |
| 15:43.44 | mgedmin | waves back |
| 15:43.50 | shapr | Hiya mgedmin, long time no see in person. |
| 15:44.14 | mgedmin | nano-: I once tried to flash a 770 image on a N800 (or a N800 image on a N810, don't remember) |
| 15:44.15 | GAN8001 | summatusmentis, that's do nolo, I'm not sure if you can combine them like: ./flasher-2.0 -F <FIASCO image> --flash-only=nolo,initfs |
| 15:44.21 | GAN8001 | But now would be a good time to try! |
| 15:44.23 | mgedmin | the flasher aborted with a weird "error writing" message |
| 15:44.26 | mgedmin | I panicked |
| 15:44.36 | mgedmin | *then* I noticed I was using the wrong image |
| 15:45.02 | nano- | I got: |
| 15:45.04 | nano- | Write failed after 37879808 bytes |
| 15:45.07 | RST38h | Indians have killed Osama bin Laden!!! |
| 15:45.09 | qwerty12 | nano-, have you tried using 0xFFFF to flash. Usually I recommend normal flasher over it but you have nothing to lose and it actually gives you proper error messages |
| 15:45.12 | nano- | usb_bulk_write: No such device |
| 15:45.17 | mgedmin | whoa |
| 15:45.26 | RST38h | PATNA, India - An elephant nicknamed "Osama bin Laden" that killed at least 11 people and injured dozens has been shot dead, officials in eastern India said on Saturday. |
| 15:45.29 | summatusmentis | GAN8001: I should have 51-3, correct? |
| 15:45.31 | mgedmin | broken cable? |
| 15:45.35 | GAN8001 | Right, summatusmentis. |
| 15:45.37 | shapr | RST38h: I'm not sure that's on topic here. |
| 15:45.40 | mgedmin | the plug fell out? |
| 15:45.41 | nano- | mgedmin: no, it rebooted in the middle of the flashthing. |
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| 15:45.46 | mgedmin | battery charge ran out? |
| 15:45.50 | mgedmin | try again? |
| 15:45.53 | RST38h | shapr: Does it matter that much? |
| 15:46.04 | GAN8001 | shapr, pfft. |
| 15:46.11 | nano- | mgedmin: no, it was stuck in a reboot loop, so i thought it would not reboot when flashing... and flashing might fix the issue.. but it failed. |
| 15:46.12 | shapr | shrugs |
| 15:46.12 | GAN8001 | We're hardly ever "on-topic" here. :P |
| 15:46.15 | qwerty12 | nano-, I get errors like that when I only choose to flash rootfs. I only manage when I flash x-loader and secondary at the same time |
| 15:46.32 | GAN8001 | throws dretches at shapr. |
| 15:46.37 | mgedmin | nano-: what's the exact command line you used? |
| 15:46.38 | nano- | qwerty12: yes, but now the device doesn't pop-up as a usb-device any longer. |
| 15:47.06 | nano- | mgedmin: Isn't that besides the point? The first goal seems to be to get the device detected as a usb device again. |
| 15:47.06 | summatusmentis | GAN8001: ok, now how do I tell if it worked? |
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| 15:47.18 | shapr | throws tyrants at GAN8001 |
| 15:47.18 | mgedmin | nano-: what do you see on dmesg when you plug it in? |
| 15:47.23 | mgedmin | any errors? |
| 15:47.24 | nano- | mgedmin: nothing. |
| 15:47.27 | GAN8001 | The device should've restarted, summatusmentis. |
| 15:47.30 | GAN8001 | is crushed. |
| 15:47.30 | mgedmin | nothing at all? |
| 15:47.35 | nano- | mgedmin: correct. |
| 15:47.44 | GAN8001 | Actually, not |
| 15:47.47 | GAN8001 | it shouldn't have |
| 15:47.55 | GAN8001 | I didn't give you -R |
| 15:47.55 | nano- | (and earlier i obviously got the device connceted, and a couple of storage devices etc) |
| 15:47.58 | summatusmentis | GAN8001: oh... well it restarted for both of them |
| 15:48.04 | summatusmentis | and you did give me -R |
| 15:48.13 | shapr | GAN8001: Man, I haven't played trem in soo long. |
| 15:48.18 | mgedmin | nano-: you won't get storage devices until the n810 boots |
| 15:48.18 | summatusmentis | I ran them separately |
| 15:48.33 | summatusmentis | using RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, |
| 15:48.47 | mgedmin | but should be able to see it with the flasher |
| 15:48.49 | nano- | mgedmin: yeah.. it did that before it rebooted in the reboot loop problem. now i get nothing. |
| 15:48.59 | GAN8001 | Neither have I, shapr. |
| 15:49.11 | nano- | mgedmin: so back to the question, is there any cool hardware key-combo that puts the device in usb mode or something? |
| 15:49.18 | mgedmin | weel |
| 15:49.22 | nano- | Like dfu on the openmoko. |
| 15:49.23 | GAN8001 | summatusmentis, well, did it throw any errors? |
| 15:49.23 | summatusmentis | GAN8001: it's showing Version: <unknown> is that common? |
| 15:49.25 | mgedmin | hold down the home key when you're powering up |
| 15:49.26 | nano- | mgedmin: what? |
| 15:49.27 | summatusmentis | nope |
| 15:49.32 | GAN8001 | summatusmentis, very common. |
| 15:49.32 | nano- | mgedmin: i can't power up. |
| 15:49.39 | mgedmin | but usually it detect the flasher waiting on the other end of the usb cable |
| 15:49.40 | summatusmentis | GAN8001: thanks! |
| 15:49.44 | mgedmin | nano-: you mean, the power button doesn't work? |
| 15:49.51 | GAN8001 | You should be good, summatusmentis. |
| 15:49.51 | nano- | mgedmin: no |
| 15:49.51 | mgedmin | the led doesn't light up? |
| 15:49.54 | mgedmin | ouch |
| 15:50.00 | mgedmin | dead battery? |
| 15:50.08 | nano- | mgedmin: no.. but it does the first time the power cable is attached. |
| 15:50.16 | qwerty12 | You can actually fix the <unknown> software version without any dangerous stuff at all. |
| 15:50.20 | nano- | and then it boots up, shows the nokia text, then shuts down. |
| 15:50.24 | mgedmin | I would keep it for a couple of hours with the charger plugged in |
| 15:50.29 | nano- | and then i need to replug the cable to get it to light up again. |
| 15:50.42 | summatusmentis | is booting from SD pretty common? Is there a reason not to? |
| 15:51.08 | mgedmin | summatusmentis: is "too much hassle" or "I just can't be bothered" a good reason? |
| 15:51.23 | summatusmentis | mgedmin: lol, I guess. There's a .deb that does it for you |
| 15:52.12 | mgedmin | nano-: I've had problems with the 770 and the n800 getting it to power on before |
| 15:52.28 | mgedmin | one 770 behaved exactly like what you describe |
| 15:52.30 | tank-man | booting from sd is pretty much just 2 steps, clone the filesystem to sd card and make it so it boots from sd card |
| 15:52.46 | mgedmin | but after I kept it charging for a few hours (without trying to turn it on), it worked fine |
| 15:53.14 | summatusmentis | tank-man: aside from the extra space, are there any benefits to it? what about bad side effects? |
| 15:53.27 | nano- | mgedmin: ok.. so it's just a matter of charging it then? it's ok with my half-written-rootfs then? |
| 15:53.47 | mgedmin | the half-written rootfs is a complication |
| 15:53.48 | summatusmentis | GAN8001: I'm still getting bootmenu, is that bad? |
| 15:53.56 | GAN8001 | Hehe |
| 15:53.59 | mgedmin | nano-: I'm pretty sure you'll need to reflash to get it to work |
| 15:54.02 | GAN8001 | Guess that == no success. |
| 15:54.07 | tank-man | no bad side effects i can think of |
| 15:54.17 | mgedmin | but I don't find it unlikely that you'd need to recharge the battery first before you can get it to reflash |
| 15:54.21 | mgedmin | shrugs |
| 15:54.21 | GAN8001 | ./flasher-2.0 -F <FIASCO image> --flash-only=nolo |
| 15:54.26 | GAN8001 | ./flasher-2.0 -F <FIASCO image> --flash-only=initfs -R |
| 15:54.29 | GAN8001 | Do it like that, then |
| 15:54.33 | nano- | mgedmin: how can i reflash it if it's not recognized by my laptop? |
| 15:54.37 | mgedmin | I can't guarantee that it'll work, but it's a thing to try before shipping the device to a nokia service center |
| 15:54.40 | nano- | mgedmin: it just stays at: Suitable USB device not found, waiting |
| 15:54.46 | mgedmin | nano-: that's good |
| 15:54.50 | mgedmin | that's what it's supposed to say |
| 15:54.54 | mgedmin | and then you plug in the cable |
| 15:54.55 | nano- | mgedmin: not forever? |
| 15:54.58 | mgedmin | and then you press the power button |
| 15:55.05 | nano- | mgedmin: power button still doesn't work . |
| 15:55.07 | mgedmin | and *then* the flasher should say "oh, hey, I see it" |
| 15:55.48 | mgedmin | what can I say? I think the battery is empty |
| 15:55.54 | mgedmin | or just very low |
| 15:56.42 | nano- | mgedmin: if i have the n810 turned off, the usb thing plugged in, then hold the power button, plugin the power cable into the n810 it starts with the blue led and crap.. and shows the blue "NOKIA" text on a white background, then after 3-4 seconds it turns off. |
| 15:56.53 | mgedmin | NO |
| 15:57.00 | nano- | mgedmin: the flasher doesn't say anything after the text "Suitable USB device not found, waiting" |
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| 15:57.03 | mgedmin | you can't reflash with the power cable |
| 15:57.35 | summatusmentis | GAN8001: the NOLO told me ther was nothing to do, and the initfs worked, but still thre a bootmenu upon reboot |
| 15:57.38 | mgedmin | it's how the device was designed |
| 15:57.48 | mgedmin | a program must be running to monitor the charger process |
| 15:57.49 | summatusmentis | should it be plugged in? |
| 15:57.50 | GAN8001 | Weirdness |
| 15:57.55 | mgedmin | and you can't reflash it when it's running |
| 15:57.55 | qwerty12 | summatusmentis, you didn't flash initfs properly then |
| 15:58.15 | GAN8001 | You can flash with the power cable, mgedmin. |
| 15:58.17 | nano- | mgedmin: it's been plugged in and charging all afternoon. |
| 15:58.20 | summatusmentis | qwerty12: I did it the way GAN8001 told me to :) |
| 15:58.31 | GAN8001 | Which should do it fine. |
| 15:58.35 | nano- | mgedmin: however, it has been power cycling as fast as possible all the time, so that might have interrupted the charging. |
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| 15:58.50 | mgedmin | hmm |
| 15:59.03 | mgedmin | I haven't tried flashing with the power cable plugged |
| 15:59.16 | qwerty12 | summatusmentis, ./flasher-2.0 -u -F <FIASCO image> && ./flasher-2.0 -f -n initfs.jffs2 |
| 15:59.20 | mgedmin | I know that the official flashing instructions say it must be unplugged, and the battery must be fully charged |
| 15:59.24 | qwerty12 | Longer method though. |
| 15:59.27 | unixSnob | RST38h: how were the indians killed? impaled on a tusk? |
| 15:59.28 | mgedmin | and that you should use flasher-3.0 |
| 15:59.41 | mgedmin | and I also know that when I followed the instructions, flashing worked for me |
| 15:59.41 | summatusmentis | qwerty12: I don't have an initfs.jffs2 |
| 15:59.58 | qwerty12 | summatusmentis, the 1st command makes it |
| 16:00.13 | qwerty12 | or rather extracts it |
| 16:00.20 | summatusmentis | oh, alright |
| 16:01.19 | GAN8001 | Maybe ./flasher-2.0 -F <FIASCO> --flash-only=nolo -f? |
| 16:01.19 | summatusmentis | qwerty12: ok, that ran, do I just shut it down now? |
| 16:01.20 | GAN8001 | Hrm |
| 16:01.41 | qwerty12 | NOLO doesn't need to be flashed to remove bootmenu |
| 16:01.50 | qwerty12 | summatusmentis, unplug the usb cable |
| 16:01.57 | qwerty12 | it should start booting |
| 16:02.10 | summatusmentis | yep, and no boot menu |
| 16:02.18 | qwerty12 | see, what did I tell you :p |
| 16:02.23 | summatusmentis | GAN8001: EPIC FAILZ!!! :) |
| 16:02.41 | GAN8001 | Duh, qwerty12. |
| 16:02.52 | qwerty12 | Duh what? My cmd line worked, |
| 16:02.54 | GAN8001 | But his NOLO is old. |
| 16:02.58 | qwerty12 | Ah, skeen |
| 16:03.12 | GAN8001 | summatusmentis, that command works for flashing without unpacking first just fine here. ;) |
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| 16:03.37 | summatusmentis | GAN8001: how do I know the NOLO is old? |
| 16:03.50 | GAN8001 | Because we never flashed it until now. |
| 16:03.56 | GAN8001 | is/was |
| 16:04.15 | summatusmentis | ok, so I think NOLO should be up to date now |
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| 16:05.02 | summatusmentis | hi secureendpoints :) |
| 16:06.42 | qwerty12 | summatusmentis, run cat /proc/component_version and tell me your nolo version |
| 16:07.17 | summatusmentis | 1.1.6 |
| 16:07.23 | GAN8001 | Still old |
| 16:07.24 | qwerty12 | old |
| 16:07.27 | GAN8001 | Should be 1.1.11 |
| 16:07.27 | qwerty12 | mine is 1.1.11 |
| 16:08.02 | summatusmentis | lol, ok. So then, since I extracted everything, how do I fix it? |
| 16:08.21 | qwerty12 | extracted method is a bit, give me a sec for the right cmd line |
| 16:08.27 | qwerty12 | *bit long for nolo |
| 16:08.38 | GAN8001 | I still think --flash-only=nolo should work. . . |
| 16:09.05 | qwerty12 | agrees too but if the extracted method worked, then what can i do |
| 16:09.16 | summatusmentis | should I ry adding the -f at the end GAN8001 ? |
| 16:09.31 | GAN8001 | I don't see how it could hurt. |
| 16:09.47 | GAN8001 | Pastebin the output afterwards, too. :P |
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| 16:11.25 | WorkingOnWis1 | I try to launch the VMware VM for the maemo SDK and I get an error. Failed to launch peer process. Any Ideas? Windows Vista Host |
| 16:11.30 | summatusmentis | http://pastebin.ca/1035037 |
| 16:11.43 | summatusmentis | /proc/component_version still says 1.1.6 |
| 16:13.22 | GAN8001 | After that? |
| 16:13.25 | summatusmentis | yeah |
| 16:13.29 | GAN8001 | Weeeeird |
| 16:13.37 | GAN8001 | Looks like it flashed fine. :\ |
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| 16:13.46 | summatusmentis | it's not because I seta a user password or something is it? |
| 16:13.53 | GAN8001 | Shouldn't be |
| 16:14.16 | qwerty12 | summatusmentis, when you press the power button, does your led light up then go off then the n810 starts? |
| 16:14.47 | qwerty12 | before I updated nolo, my N800's led would light up and switch on at that exact moment |
| 16:15.01 | unixSnob | wonders if switching to ubifs is possible on the NIT (in light of http://kerneltrap.org/taxonomy/term/348) |
| 16:15.03 | qwerty12 | now it switches off and the n800 starts after the update |
| 16:15.08 | summatusmentis | I have to hold it until I see the nokia screen, and then the light turns off |
| 16:15.32 | qwerty12 | does the light go off after the nokia screen has come up? |
| 16:15.38 | summatusmentis | yes |
| 16:15.44 | qwerty12 | Old nolo still |
| 16:15.49 | GAN8001 | GPE presentation from LinuxTag if anybody's interested: http://linuxtogo.org/~florian/files/gpeandmaemo_ltag2008.pdf |
| 16:16.43 | summatusmentis | qwerty12: any success on the extracted NOLO flashing command? |
| 16:17.07 | qwerty12 | summatusmentis, it's too long and I only have the file names for the N800 |
| 16:17.19 | qwerty12 | you do know how tab-completion works right? |
| 16:17.23 | summatusmentis | yes |
| 16:19.43 | qwerty12 | ./flasher-2.0 -f -x xloader.bin<tab> -s secondary.bin<tab> -2 2nd.bin<tab> |
| 16:20.01 | qwerty12 | also -R should go after it too |
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| 16:22.27 | summatusmentis | /proc/component-version shows 1.1.11 now |
| 16:22.33 | qwerty12 | cool |
| 16:22.36 | qwerty12 | looks like that worked |
| 16:23.01 | qwerty12 | gets back to compiling gcc-2.95.2 (yes, I know it's as old as shit) |
| 16:23.14 | summatusmentis | GAN8001: is it possible that since we extracted everything the first time, it needed to do it all extracted? |
| 16:23.26 | qwerty12 | no |
| 16:23.29 | qwerty12 | that would be stupid |
| 16:23.39 | GAN8001 | Weirdness |
| 16:23.40 | GAN8001 | Anyway |
| 16:23.42 | summatusmentis | that seems to be how it worked though |
| 16:23.43 | GAN8001 | It's updated. :P |
| 16:23.53 | RST38h | qwertty |
| 16:23.53 | summatusmentis | thanks you guys |
| 16:24.06 | qwerty12 | np |
| 16:24.09 | Cptnodegard | do mplayer read realmedia files? |
| 16:24.09 | summatusmentis | goes to be productive |
| 16:24.10 | qwerty12 | hello RST38h |
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| 16:27.51 | GAN8001 | OK, RST38h, finally going through your wiki ideas. |
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| 16:28.01 | [cliff] | hi all |
| 16:28.27 | [cliff] | is it possible to extend virtual memory beyond 64MB? I have a nice 1GB rsmmc card and I really want to push it to 256mb of swap |
| 16:28.30 | GAN8001 | Some of it's more appropriate for the 2010 Agenda (SB2, for instance), since that's more of a maemo rather than maemo.org thing and not really a 100 Days change. |
| 16:36.19 | qwerty12 | Goddam, the current wiki search sucks so bad. |
| 16:37.22 | GAN8001 | On mediawiki or midgard? |
| 16:37.22 | gourdin | is there sometime an update of the browser ? it crash a lot here ... |
| 16:37.22 | qwerty12 | On midgard |
| 16:37.22 | GAN8001 | gourdin: , Diablo. |
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| 16:37.31 | gourdin | and is kinda slow :/ |
| 16:37.42 | qwerty12 | install the microb SVN |
| 16:37.51 | gourdin | GAN8001: diablo is out ? |
| 16:37.56 | qwerty12 | Atm, the browser sucks knobs in the diablo beta |
| 16:37.57 | GAN8001 | No |
| 16:38.09 | gourdin | ho |
| 16:38.10 | GAN8001 | But that's when the update is coming. |
| 16:38.11 | AStorm | hello again |
| 16:38.19 | GAN8001 | Unless you want to try your hand at installing the svn. |
| 16:38.27 | AStorm | which toolchains should I pick for sbox? |
| 16:38.37 | AStorm | esp. which debian one |
| 16:38.50 | gourdin | GAN8001: where do i find the svn version ? |
| 16:39.03 | GAN8001 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=178677 |
| 16:39.52 | gourdin | thx |
| 16:40.12 | AStorm | and should I pick maemo3-debian? (sounds old) |
| 16:41.09 | qwerty12 | AStorm, I'm guessing you aren't using the scripts? |
| 16:41.36 | AStorm | it's been the complete unpacked sbox binary |
| 16:41.43 | AStorm | but I could use the scripts, yes |
| 16:41.57 | qwerty12 | I used the scripts and my CHINOOK_ARMEL says: â Devkits: perl debian-etch maemo3-tools cputransp â |
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| 16:42.50 | AStorm | hm, need a rootstrap I guess |
| 16:42.53 | qwerty12 | also recommends setting up another target for the 2008 toolchain and gcc4 |
| 16:42.58 | AStorm | mhm |
| 16:43.04 | AStorm | I'll use the script instead |
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| 16:43.14 | AStorm | how do I make the script download/use another download dir? |
| 16:43.36 | qwerty12 | Not sure, haven't touched it in a long time. |
| 16:43.43 | qwerty12 | Rootstrap is here btw: http://repository.maemo.org/stable/chinook/armel/ |
| 16:43.53 | qwerty12 | (for armel anyway) |
| 16:43.58 | GAN8001 | RST38h, I merged some of it in here. https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/100Days#Developer_documentation |
| 16:44.06 | GAN8001 | About to start a Software distribution section. |
| 16:44.42 | rm_you | well, i guess i'm gonna sleep, GAN |
| 16:44.48 | rm_you | ttyl (tonight) :) |
| 16:44.52 | GAN8001 | rm_you, gj! |
| 16:44.53 | GAN8001 | :P |
| 16:45.05 | qwerty12 | rm_you, all that and X-Fade never answered back :P |
| 16:45.11 | rm_you | heh yeah |
| 16:45.13 | rm_you | i'll try again |
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| 16:45.19 | GAN8001 | Script! |
| 16:45.20 | rm_you | GAN8001: poke him for me :P |
| 16:45.23 | GAN8001 | Set up a script. :p |
| 16:45.25 | qwerty12 | Set your IRC client to auto poke all night :p |
| 16:45.25 | rm_you | lol |
| 16:45.28 | rm_you | i was working on that :P |
| 16:45.29 | GAN8001 | Then I'll get a staffer to k-line you. |
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| 16:45.34 | rm_you | lol |
| 16:45.52 | rm_you | sleeps |
| 16:45.58 | GAN8001 | has the Exherbo guy to sick on you. |
| 16:46.37 | AStorm | grrrr |
| 16:46.41 | AStorm | kills sbox |
| 16:46.53 | AStorm | stupid thing had /dev bindmounted and I didn't notice |
| 16:46.56 | AStorm | argh |
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| 16:49.27 | qwerty12 | That is some hardcore netsplit. |
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| 16:49.44 | script | GAN8001: what? |
| 16:50.00 | GAN8001 | Ha, not you, real script. :P |
| 16:50.00 | GAN8001 | Sorry! |
| 16:50.00 | qwerty12 | lol |
| 16:50.01 | GAN8001 | Like, irssi script |
| 16:50.34 | script | kk ;) |
| 16:50.35 | summatusmentis | script: you could do it too though |
| 16:50.39 | AStorm | argh |
| 16:50.54 | AStorm | nobody ever should bind mount system critical dirs w/o my explicit permission |
| 16:51.07 | AStorm | now I get to restore /dev |
| 16:51.11 | qwerty12 | goes to search for "phoenix 2007.34 crack" |
| 16:51.35 | summatusmentis | what does phoenix do? |
| 16:52.00 | qwerty12 | Helps me in my quest for CAL and NOLO enlightenment. |
| 16:52.16 | summatusmentis | lol, oh |
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| 16:52.33 | summatusmentis | are there any 16/32GB mini/micro sd cards? |
| 16:52.57 | summatusmentis | I'm pondering seeling my iPod, and using my n810 w/ a big sd cardrd |
| 16:53.03 | summatusmentis | -rd |
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| 16:53.59 | AStorm | summatusmentis: well, I don't think there are any yet |
| 16:54.44 | summatusmentis | AStorm: bummer |
| 16:55.05 | qwerty12 | Looks like that iPod will stay with you for a while :p |
| 16:55.05 | AStorm | they should be out soon though |
| 16:55.15 | AStorm | later this year or early next year |
| 16:55.47 | AStorm | http://gizmodo.com/341463/sandisks-n...gb-this-summer |
| 16:55.49 | summatusmentis | I could go 2x8Gb or something |
| 16:56.01 | summatusmentis | I need at least 13GB |
| 16:56.50 | AStorm | N800 supports SDHC correctly, right? |
| 16:57.07 | qwerty12 | Yes |
| 16:57.18 | qwerty12 | It's 770 that needs patching iirc |
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| 16:57.58 | AStorm | mhm |
| 16:58.04 | AStorm | summatusmentis: so with N800 you should be fine |
| 16:58.09 | AStorm | it also uses full size SDHC, for which there are 16GB cards already |
| 16:58.17 | summatusmentis | I've got the n810 |
| 16:58.25 | AStorm | ah |
| 16:58.25 | summatusmentis | so yeah, :) |
| 16:58.29 | AStorm | so, you're out of luck |
| 16:58.39 | AStorm | it doesn't have the second slot, so no 2x 8GB |
| 16:58.41 | summatusmentis | right, at least until later this year |
| 16:58.50 | summatusmentis | well, I don't mind swapping cards |
| 16:59.30 | summatusmentis | and I could maybe use a 12GB one, and part of the internal card, w/ unionfs |
| 16:59.38 | AStorm | damn |
| 16:59.45 | AStorm | who can gimme MAKEDEV script? |
| 16:59.57 | AStorm | pastebin or such like |
| 16:59.58 | summatusmentis | I think I can, hold on |
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| 17:00.52 | AStorm | qwerty12: do you know where I can grab latest sbox2 w/o Ubuntu? |
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| 17:01.23 | summatusmentis | AStorm: do you want the file itself? |
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| 17:01.30 | AStorm | yes |
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| 17:01.34 | AStorm | the script |
| 17:01.36 | GAN8001 | OK, RST38h, most of the short-term stuff should be in 100Days (might move your website suggestion to 2010, though). |
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| 17:02.07 | summatusmentis | AStorm: where should I send it? or do you want a pastebin of it? |
| 17:02.31 | AStorm | pastebin will suffice |
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| 17:02.35 | qwerty12 | AStorm, no not sure. give me a sec |
| 17:02.37 | AStorm | hh? |
| 17:02.37 | qwerty12 | about sbox2 |
| 17:02.37 | AStorm | collision in ChanServ? WTH? |
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| 17:02.39 | AStorm | ah |
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| 17:03.48 | GAN8001 | lol |
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| 17:04.11 | qwerty12 | AStorm, I guess you have to compile the sbox2 yourself : http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/sbox2/Maemo |
| 17:04.11 | GAN8001 | Somebody once-over this? |
| 17:04.11 | GAN8001 | https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/100Days#The_repositories |
| 17:04.11 | GAN8001 | I just did a big reformatting. |
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| 17:04.24 | summatusmentis | AStorm: http://pastebin.ca/1035072 from debian testint |
| 17:04.27 | summatusmentis | testing* |
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| 17:04.32 | AStorm | qwerty12: mhm |
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| 17:04.48 | AStorm | that shouldn't be a problem now that my compiler works |
| 17:05.07 | qwerty12 | GAN8001, /me is in grammar nazi mode. look at ensue |
| 17:05.22 | GAN8001 | ensure? |
| 17:05.26 | qwerty12 | yeah |
| 17:05.28 | GAN8001 | What's wrong with ti? |
| 17:05.32 | GAN8001 | s/ti/it/ |
| 17:05.39 | qwerty12 | Nah, it says ensue |
| 17:05.52 | GAN8001 | Oh, repositories |
| 17:05.56 | GAN8001 | I was looking up top |
| 17:05.56 | GAN8001 | Thanks! |
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| 17:06.11 | qwerty12 | Nice work on the wiki btw |
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| 17:06.16 | GAN8001 | Garage logins work there if you want to edit, qwerty12. |
| 17:06.46 | qwerty12 | I'll just watch thanks :). My wiki knowledge is basically shit and I have nothing to add. |
| 17:06.54 | qwerty12 | Unless you want ensue fixed? :) |
| 17:07.01 | GAN8001 | I did it |
| 17:07.08 | GAN8001 | But there's no time like the present! |
| 17:07.33 | GAN8001 | still needs to recruit minions for his wikipedia takeover, too. :P |
| 17:07.58 | GAN8001 | I've got all that free stuff from Nokia, and all that business interest. Can't disappoint them now. |
| 17:08.02 | GAN8001 | :eyeroll: |
| 17:08.12 | qwerty12 | wishes that the 100Day and 2020 agenda wasn't posted on ITT. |
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| 17:08.19 | qwerty12 | it's like saying, n00bs,come in! |
| 17:08.42 | Proteous | n00bs!! |
| 17:09.21 | qwerty12 | Now I know why I stay away from the Newbie section on ITT. |
| 17:09.28 | qwerty12 | My posts should not be there :p |
| 17:09.38 | GAN8001 | Oh noes, Proteous knos noa!!!! |
| 17:09.54 | GAN8001 | qwerty12, my thoughts exactly |
| 17:10.10 | GAN8001 | Jaffa, sjgadsby and I were cleaning up the fallout from it. |
| 17:10.25 | GAN8001 | From which about the only useful things were from Bundyo |
| 17:10.26 | qwerty12 | :/ |
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| 17:11.48 | qwerty12 | Will the browser in the final diablo be updated to the SVN? |
| 17:11.57 | GAN8001 | No |
| 17:12.00 | AStorm | argh |
| 17:12.02 | qwerty12 | Damn |
| 17:12.02 | GAN8001 | Sadly |
| 17:12.15 | qwerty12 | I'm gonna start working on a merger between the svn and the diablo debs |
| 17:12.17 | GAN8001 | qwerty12, we should at least be able to upgrade the Diablo browser to svn at that point, though. |
| 17:12.29 | qwerty12 | Ah, cool |
| 17:12.39 | Stskeeps | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20573&page=1 <- could someone hint the poor fellow that if his AP doesn't enable WMI/WMM, it drains battery like insane |
| 17:12.55 | Stskeeps | (i'm too lazy to make an account) |
| 17:13.10 | GAN8001 | Stskeeps, I don't touch wifi questions with a 10 foot pole. |
| 17:13.19 | Stskeeps | got it enabled and my battery drain was gone |
| 17:13.19 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:13.30 | GAN8001 | You just get dragged into a whole unreal realm of insanity. |
| 17:13.59 | GAN8001 | I'm sure we can talk qwerty12 into it, though. |
| 17:14.09 | GAN8001 | He's already in the insane-dimension. |
| 17:14.13 | qwerty12 | No thanks, I plan on walking out with my sanity :p |
| 17:14.19 | AStorm | hmmm, how would I go about creating device-mapper nodes? |
| 17:14.21 | AStorm | need them |
| 17:14.22 | Stskeeps | ranging from n800 wifi gets me ill to "how do i do that on my sucky AP" |
| 17:14.22 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:14.23 | Stskeeps | ? |
| 17:14.40 | AStorm | answer is simple |
| 17:14.42 | AStorm | you don't |
| 17:14.44 | AStorm | ;P |
| 17:14.47 | AStorm | buy a good AP |
| 17:14.50 | GAN8001 | qwerty12, too late. |
| 17:15.23 | qwerty12 | GAN800, NEVER!!! I WILL KILL YOU IF YOU SAY THAT AGAIN!!! ARRGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:15.27 | qwerty12 | Man, I'm fucked. |
| 17:15.58 | GAN8001 | Ha |
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| 17:16.22 | GAN8001 | plays keep-away with qwerty12's sanity. |
| 17:16.50 | qwerty12 | NO MUST GET IT BACK |
| 17:16.57 | qwerty12 | WILL GET BACK WITH GLOCK 40 |
| 17:17.08 | qwerty12 | OR SMACKING FIRE EXTINGUISHER OVER GAN8001's head |
| 17:17.27 | GAN8001 | The 2010 agenda really needs a cleanup. |
| 17:17.32 | qwerty12 | It's what not sleeping does to me :p |
| 17:17.48 | AStorm | qwerty12: you mean with fire axe? |
| 17:18.06 | qwerty12 | Hmm, I guess that would do better job... |
| 17:18.24 | summatusmentis | GAN8001: how do you know those ideas won't happen by 2010? |
| 17:18.44 | GAN800 | Hm? |
| 17:18.45 | summatusmentis | don't clean it up until 2011 |
| 17:19.07 | GAN800 | it's disorganized and ugly. :P |
| 17:19.31 | summatusmentis | oh, so not actually removing anything |
| 17:19.43 | GAN800 | Maybe a little |
| 17:19.53 | GAN800 | The redundant meaningless stuff. |
| 17:20.04 | GAN800 | Like "Help pages" |
| 17:20.04 | summatusmentis | fair enough |
| 17:20.49 | qwerty12 | "The ability to build a complete, flashable image by maemo.org community for beta testing of open components in development. (May be less necessary in an SSU-based world: TBC) " - This one's never gonna be possible under windows :p |
| 17:20.52 | GAN800 | But mostly I want to put some sort of framework in place to direct the flow a bit like I just did with the 100 Days. |
| 17:21.15 | GAN800 | Who cares about Windows? Windows sucks. :P |
| 17:21.21 | qwerty12 | Agreed :) |
| 17:21.24 | qwerty12 | I use Linux |
| 17:21.32 | qwerty12 | /cue distro wars |
| 17:22.05 | qwerty12 | The only time I booted into windows was a few days ago to test out some samba apps I compiled for N800 |
| 17:22.22 | summatusmentis | I need polish on linux... thinking about trying the newest ubunutu... i <3 OS X |
| 17:22.29 | GAN800 | i think u shud use GENtwo |
| 17:22.39 | AStorm | I think you shouldn't use Ubuntu ;) |
| 17:22.50 | AStorm | it sucks out the brain, then you end up a zombie |
| 17:22.52 | AStorm | ;) |
| 17:22.57 | GAN800 | OS X is all the *nixy goodness with half the pain and suffering |
| 17:22.58 | qwerty12 | AStorm, You should know that installing SBOX is easier under Ubuntu ;) |
| 17:23.03 | summatusmentis | meh... it's pretty! |
| 17:23.10 | AStorm | qwerty12: yes, as it's designed by zombies, for zombies |
| 17:23.17 | qwerty12 | Fine |
| 17:23.20 | qwerty12 | chomps on AStorm |
| 17:23.29 | AStorm | takes the fire axe |
| 17:23.39 | AStorm | uses the fire axe on qwerty12, you know how |
| 17:23.39 | GAN800 | \o\ <- zombie saw AStorm |
| 17:23.43 | summatusmentis | GAN8001: sort of... I want linux-y goodness |
| 17:24.52 | AStorm | (anyone played Vampire Bloodlines?) |
| 17:26.11 | qwerty12 | Would I like to? |
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| 17:27.51 | AStorm | unfortunately, the idjits didn't make a Linux version |
| 17:28.00 | summatusmentis | you know what maemo browser needs? user defined CSS |
| 17:28.01 | AStorm | and the doze one is also buggy like hell |
| 17:28.12 | AStorm | summatusmentis: it has that, durr, GreaseMonkey? |
| 17:28.13 | summatusmentis | so we can make links finger compatible |
| 17:28.27 | GAN800 | summatusmentis, it's mozilla-based. |
| 17:28.44 | GAN800 | Stick whatever you want in chrome. |
| 17:28.45 | summatusmentis | AStorm: normal broswrs have it built in |
| 17:29.01 | GAN800 | It does, too. |
| 17:29.09 | AStorm | yep |
| 17:29.15 | AStorm | usersomthing.css |
| 17:29.16 | GAN800 | Just no GUI dialog for it. |
| 17:29.17 | summatusmentis | GAN800: oh right... I forgot about chrome |
| 17:29.36 | qwerty12_N800 | summatusmentis, look at brontide's posts on itt |
| 17:31.12 | summatusmentis | qwerty12_N800: i apparently need to spend more time there... |
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| 17:32.17 | GAN800 | Don't bother, summatusmentis. :P I speak from experience when I say you will never find a more vile den of scum and villany. |
| 17:32.42 | GAN800 | That's cool |
| 17:32.48 | qwerty12_N800 | Hehe |
| 17:32.51 | GAN800 | Just the taskbar crashed. |
| 17:33.07 | summatusmentis | and apparently a lot of things that aren't documented elsewhere |
| 17:33.07 | GAN800 | All my taskbar plugins are gone. . . |
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| 17:33.18 | AStorm | as usual |
| 17:33.24 | AStorm | it crashes here too every some time |
| 17:33.32 | AStorm | I wonder why. |
| 17:33.41 | qwerty12_N800 | technically, hildon-desktop crashed :p |
| 17:33.49 | GAN800 | hildon-desktop you mean, not just the taskbar. |
| 17:34.03 | qwerty12_N800 | i said that :/ |
| 17:34.03 | GAN800 | This was just the taskbar |
| 17:34.15 | GAN800 | I was finger keyboard |
| 17:34.20 | qwerty12_N800 | ah |
| 17:34.37 | GAN800 | Well, minimizing xchat fixed it. |
| 17:34.45 | summatusmentis | I can't search ITT on the maemo browser |
| 17:35.03 | GAN800 | Use the google search on the itT front page. |
| 17:35.19 | summatusmentis | oh |
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| 17:40.25 | unixSnob | GAN800 - are you using GPE? |
| 17:40.45 | GAN800 | No, I have no use for PIM. |
| 17:40.58 | AStorm | Well, I do |
| 17:41.12 | qwerty12_N800 | only uses todo to stick notes on the desktop |
| 17:41.16 | AStorm | and GPE UI isn't finger friendly |
| 17:41.32 | unixSnob | AStorm: is it practical to put it on an n800 at this point? |
| 17:41.43 | unixSnob | ah, i'll hold off then |
| 17:41.44 | AStorm | well, it works ok |
| 17:41.59 | AStorm | but UI isn't finger-friendly and it isn't integrated with usual alarm system |
| 17:42.04 | qwerty12_N800 | I really should get round to doing a proper compile of that post it notes applet for os2008 |
| 17:42.08 | AStorm | btw, any solution for matchbox crashes? |
| 17:42.24 | unixSnob | is looking to migrate PIM data from Palm TX to NIT |
| 17:42.31 | AStorm | (shown as panel and applets disappearing) |
| 17:42.42 | GAN800 | That's hildon-desktop |
| 17:42.52 | qwerty12_N800 | AStorm, Use modest or large statusbar clock? |
| 17:42.53 | GAN800 | Matchbox crash == reboot |
| 17:43.10 | AStorm | no |
| 17:43.14 | AStorm | it just restarts |
| 17:43.16 | GAN800 | There's a number of things that can cause hildon-desktop to crash. |
| 17:43.21 | AStorm | qwerty12_N800: I do use the statusbar clock |
| 17:43.28 | AStorm | but even w/o it, it crashes |
| 17:43.33 | AStorm | I do use modest |
| 17:43.39 | unixSnob | uses statusbar clock too - it works |
| 17:43.44 | qwerty12_N800 | Grab the version with alarms disable |
| 17:43.46 | qwerty12_N800 | d |
| 17:43.53 | GAN800 | Applets (all types), high cpu usage in some cases and reconnecting a BT keyboard |
| 17:44.16 | unixSnob | my only complaint about the statusbar clock is it's military time |
| 17:44.36 | qwerty12_N800 | eh? |
| 17:44.40 | GAN800 | use the large statusbar clock |
| 17:44.58 | AStorm | GAN800: hmm? |
| 17:45.06 | unixSnob | GAN800, is that a separate app? |
| 17:45.25 | GAN800 | Having everything as a child off hildon-desktop was stupid. |
| 17:45.31 | GAN800 | s/off/of/ |
| 17:45.49 | GAN800 | 'large statusbar clock' |
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| 17:46.12 | AStorm | when modest crashes, the hildon-desktop doesn't crash |
| 17:46.21 | AStorm | I get "application E-mail crashed" instead |
| 17:47.17 | GAN800 | Modest has some weirdness with notifications/auto-checking for some people. |
| 17:47.29 | AStorm | hehe |
| 17:47.37 | AStorm | but it does work here, esp. the new versions |
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| 17:47.54 | AStorm | ok, so how to make hildon-desktop not crash? :> |
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| 17:48.32 | qwerty12_N800 | upgrade large statusbar and disable alarms completely |
| 17:48.47 | qwerty12_N800 | (it's new option) |
| 17:48.53 | AStorm | hmm |
| 17:48.58 | AStorm | where do I get the update? |
| 17:49.10 | qwerty12_N800 | check itt |
| 17:49.16 | AStorm | mhm |
| 17:49.17 | GAN800 | it should be in Extras |
| 17:49.24 | AStorm | hmmhmm, let me check |
| 17:49.24 | GAN800 | if not, check garage |
| 17:49.25 | qwerty12_N800 | it is iirc |
| 17:49.41 | qwerty12_N800 | but there's like 3 of them now in extras :/ |
| 17:49.47 | GAN800 | or google 'large statusbar clock maemo' :p |
| 17:50.18 | qwerty12_N800 | large glock maemo... hmm... i like |
| 17:50.42 | GAN800 | I say again, Glocks suck ass |
| 17:51.00 | AStorm | ok, let me check which one I have |
| 17:51.13 | AStorm | still, do the alarms cause the crash? |
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| 17:52.25 | GAN800 | AStorm, the other option is to forward all of your hildon-desktop crash core-dumps (uncompressed, in the email) straight to Ari. :P |
| 17:52.36 | AStorm | lol |
| 17:52.42 | AStorm | I don't have enough bandwidth for that |
| 17:52.50 | GAN800 | hrm, better yet, line by line in the subject. |
| 17:52.50 | AStorm | but, what is the exact cause of the crash? |
| 17:52.53 | qwerty12_N800 | Or get nitro and let the nit take care of that :p |
| 17:54.20 | GAN800 | Some weirdness with alarmd and dbus or something. |
| 17:55.00 | GAN800 | 2 parts Nokia retardation and 1 part fiferboy fail |
| 17:56.17 | AStorm | and an additional part of Nokia retardity ;) for hildon-desktop doesn't reload its settings after a crash |
| 17:56.30 | GAN800 | 'feature' |
| 17:56.36 | qwerty12_N800 | it's a (good) safety feature |
| 17:56.39 | AStorm | yeah sure |
| 17:56.46 | qwerty12_N800 | better that than crash loop ;) |
| 17:56.48 | AStorm | they should do that after 10 crashes in 5s ;P |
| 17:56.57 | summatusmentis | I don't have a /home/user/.mozilla/microb/chrome dir |
| 17:57.02 | qwerty12_N800 | make it |
| 17:57.23 | summatusmentis | ok, didn't know if it was supposed to be there |
| 17:57.23 | GAN800 | AStorm, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2614 |
| 17:57.43 | GAN800 | Maybe suggest that there, AStorm. :P |
| 17:58.21 | qwerty12_N800 | meh, hildon desktop can be recompiled |
| 17:58.55 | GAN800 | should do that |
| 17:59.15 | qwerty12_N800 | nokia wont do shit. officialy. |
| 17:59.20 | GAN800 | I need to set up a dev environment on-device. |
| 17:59.32 | qwerty12_N800 | grab the vmware image |
| 17:59.50 | qwerty12_N800 | dev environments on device are slow :/ |
| 17:59.54 | GAN800 | No Intel machines. |
| 18:00.03 | qwerty12_N800 | ah :( |
| 18:00.12 | GAN800 | No, :) |
| 18:00.19 | qwerty12_N800 | ha |
| 18:00.39 | AStorm | GAN800: well, can't use scratchbox? |
| 18:00.51 | qwerty12_N800 | not in osx, i'd assume |
| 18:01.00 | AStorm | qemu-arm should work on some non-ix86 |
| 18:01.11 | GAN800 | Probably |
| 18:01.14 | AStorm | yes, on PowerPC |
| 18:01.24 | GAN800 | I haven't bothered to investigate |
| 18:01.25 | AStorm | qwerty12_N800: try that virtualization soft from Apple |
| 18:01.36 | AStorm | that should work |
| 18:01.41 | qwerty12_N800 | AStorm, don't have a mac |
| 18:01.50 | AStorm | huh? hackintosh? |
| 18:02.03 | qwerty12_N800 | can't be arsed |
| 18:02.13 | AStorm | so you have Intel. |
| 18:02.28 | qwerty12_N800 | linux+xp+vista works for me |
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| 18:05.03 | GAN800 | I don't get the 'cartoony' complaints about OS2008 I really like the look. |
| 18:05.33 | qwerty12_N800 | Agreed, os2006 looked cartoony |
| 18:05.38 | qwerty12_N800 | (and shit9 |
| 18:05.43 | qwerty12_N800 | *) |
| 18:05.55 | qwerty12_N800 | or was it 2005 :/ |
| 18:06.06 | GAN800 | 2005 |
| 18:06.12 | GAN800 | er 2006 |
| 18:06.20 | GAN800 | 2005 wasn't too bad |
| 18:06.43 | qwerty12_N800 | Although i would kill for the os2007 appleenvy theme to be ported to 2008 |
| 18:06.48 | GAN800 | Just bot very exciting. and they had some fucked up themes with crazy red highlights |
| 18:07.07 | GAN800 | 2006 was really fruity |
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| 18:07.29 | GAN800 | 2007 was all gothnshit |
| 18:07.45 | GAN800 | plankton or nuvopearl? |
| 18:11.40 | summatusmentis | if I clone my rootfs to sd, can I just install the debian chroot inside of the roofs? or will I need a separate partition? |
| 18:12.39 | AStorm | uhm? |
| 18:12.55 | AStorm | hmm, debian chroot could work |
| 18:13.00 | AStorm | if you change the initfs |
| 18:13.19 | summatusmentis | I don't want to boot to debain |
| 18:13.22 | summatusmentis | debian* |
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| 18:13.34 | AStorm | so why do you want it then? |
| 18:13.37 | summatusmentis | I just want access to debian apps, inside of maemo |
| 18:13.42 | qwerty12 | for a chroot, you don't need initfs |
| 18:13.47 | summatusmentis | right |
| 18:13.58 | AStorm | summatusmentis: which debian apps? |
| 18:14.21 | summatusmentis | I'm looking at the wiki page regarding the chroot, and it says I need a > 1GB partition |
| 18:14.36 | summatusmentis | AStorm: OO.o specifically, but potentially others |
| 18:14.44 | AStorm | OOo won't work, durr |
| 18:14.46 | AStorm | I guess |
| 18:14.51 | AStorm | not enough RAM |
| 18:14.59 | qwerty12 | it does |
| 18:15.01 | qwerty12 | there are pics |
| 18:15.06 | AStorm | heh |
| 18:15.10 | GAN800 | Seriously, AStorm. :p |
| 18:15.21 | AStorm | it really does? |
| 18:15.24 | GAN800 | Several people have done it, durr. . . |
| 18:15.25 | qwerty12 | What will elude me forever and ever is that why did nokia decide to put /tmp on the initfs? |
| 18:15.33 | AStorm | why then we don't have a build for Maemo yet? |
| 18:15.47 | AStorm | qwerty12: because it's tmpfs anyway |
| 18:15.49 | AStorm | ;> |
| 18:16.04 | qwerty12 | Yes, but size of it sucks |
| 18:16.18 | qwerty12 | My initfs has reached it's limit anyway# |
| 18:17.29 | summatusmentis | qwerty12: do I need to follow the instructions to the letter for debian chroot? |
| 18:17.45 | qwerty12 | I never thought I would say this but I need to compile an old compiler for scratchbox |
| 18:17.52 | qwerty12 | summatusmentis, I;ve never set up the chroot |
| 18:17.56 | AStorm | 3.4.4 is too new? |
| 18:18.00 | qwerty12 | I do boot into debian however |
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| 18:18.30 | qwerty12 | AStorm, gcc-2.95.2 from 1999 old enough? |
| 18:18.39 | AStorm | huh, old |
| 18:18.54 | qwerty12 | I'm trying to compile OpenUT |
| 18:18.56 | AStorm | can't build that with 3.x |
| 18:19.37 | summatusmentis | qwerty12: why boot into debian? |
| 18:19.42 | qwerty12 | Unreal Tournament would pwn on a internet tablet |
| 18:19.52 | qwerty12 | summatusmentis, because sometimes, I feel like a break from maemo ;) |
| 18:19.55 | AStorm | no, lose |
| 18:20.02 | summatusmentis | qwerty12: :) oh, ok |
| 18:20.03 | AStorm | no 3D accel, heh |
| 18:20.14 | qwerty12 | UT1 does software rendering :) |
| 18:22.35 | qwerty12 | GAN800, Mind checking what version number hildon-desktop is in your diablo? |
| 18:22.40 | AStorm | yes, but it's too slow |
| 18:22.55 | qwerty12 | I used to play soft rendering fine |
| 18:24.11 | AStorm | qwerty12: on armel @400MHz with 128M ram? |
| 18:24.48 | qwerty12 | 733 MHz comp with 128MB ram and 32mb vram. Ok, not same but near shitty enough |
| 18:25.01 | AStorm | no, much stronger CPU |
| 18:25.06 | AStorm | and probably at 400x300? ;P |
| 18:25.32 | qwerty12 | I dunno, I'm never gonna find out unless I get my ass round to compiling it. |
| 18:26.00 | AStorm | fixing it for 3.x should be easy |
| 18:26.04 | AStorm | I mean, GCC 3.x |
| 18:26.22 | qwerty12 | Not when you are as shit as me. So it's easier for me to compile an old gcc |
| 18:26.40 | AStorm | no, it's not |
| 18:26.48 | AStorm | to build gcc 2.95.x you need such gcc ;P |
| 18:26.52 | AStorm | which you don't have |
| 18:26.57 | AStorm | 3.x can't build 2.95 |
| 18:27.05 | GAN800 | hildon-desktop --version didn't work, now I've got two. :p |
| 18:27.24 | qwerty12 | GAN800, I meant from app manager but thanks for trying anyway :) |
| 18:27.34 | qwerty12 | Mine is 2.0.15-1. But I see 2.0.17 |
| 18:27.43 | qwerty12 | So I think we are getting skanked somewhere |
| 18:27.50 | GAN800 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:28.12 | qwerty12 | :) |
| 18:28.13 | qwerty12 | https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/tags/hildon-desktop/2.0.15-1/desktop-safe-mode.txt |
| 18:28.28 | qwerty12 | You may like that you hildon-desktop critiques :p |
| 18:29.42 | GAN800 | hehe |
| 18:30.41 | qwerty12 | This is too easy |
| 18:30.47 | qwerty12 | All I have to do is remove --enable-safe-mode |
| 18:31.11 | AStorm | smells evil |
| 18:31.25 | AStorm | they can't fix the problem, so they work around it like mad? ;p |
| 18:32.34 | summatusmentis | so, if i'm going to run a debian chroot, can I just format the internal sd card to ext2, and install to there? |
| 18:33.12 | AStorm | sure, why not? |
| 18:33.14 | qwerty12 | Bollox, I keep forgetting to switch target |
| 18:33.33 | summatusmentis | AStorm: I don't know... just thought I'd ask :) |
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| 18:38.05 | summatusmentis | AStorm: I guess what I'm asking is would it be better to clone my flash to sd, and install debian chroot as a sub dir to that, or just make debian chroot where it is |
| 18:38.22 | AStorm | who cares |
| 18:38.23 | qwerty12 | Eh. Why would you need to clone the flash for debian? |
| 18:38.35 | summatusmentis | I don't, just might give me more room |
| 18:38.54 | qwerty12 | No it wouldn't. Debian don't touch nothing on / |
| 18:39.18 | summatusmentis | well, cloning flash to internal sd will give / more room |
| 18:40.58 | unixSnob | there's a really good deal on SDHC cards right now, if anyone is interested => http://www.slickdeals.net/ |
| 18:43.13 | summatusmentis | oh, rebates? :-/ |
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| 18:44.24 | qwerty12_N800 | w00t, it works ;) |
| 18:44.45 | unixSnob | sure, y not? |
| 18:44.49 | qwerty12_N800 | i can killall -9 hildon-desktop and my applets keep bouncing back |
| 18:45.20 | AStorm | yay |
| 18:45.27 | AStorm | but then, we need to find out what causes the crash |
| 18:46.14 | qwerty12_N800 | it's very easy mod to do, i'd share debs but i've only compiled a diablo only version |
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| 18:52.49 | qwerty12_N800 | i'm gonna put the original hildon-desktop back though, I don't like the idea of crash loop though |
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| 18:57.43 | GAN800 | http://www.archive.org/details/QuimGil-MaemoLinuxtag2008Update |
| 18:58.55 | summatusmentis | ugh... I hate having uber slow internet |
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| 19:02.01 | qwerty12_N800 | milhouse will be happy to hear quim's voice |
| 19:02.19 | summatusmentis | also, I love being able to ssh inton810 is sitting in my pocket |
| 19:03.01 | GAN800 | Woo wikipedia! |
| 19:03.16 | summatusmentis | s/inton810/into my n810/ |
| 19:03.29 | Fatal | there's something disturbing about sshing into your pocket |
| 19:03.36 | summatusmentis | not at all :) |
| 19:03.54 | summatusmentis | GAN800: wikipedia what? |
| 19:04.33 | GAN800 | Listen to the link, summatusmentis |
| 19:05.17 | qwerty12_N800 | GAN800, cheers, i think we got implict mention :p |
| 19:05.37 | summatusmentis | downloading the debian chroot right now, i"ll listing ~1 hour |
| 19:06.04 | GAN800 | Good. :) |
| 19:06.10 | GAN800 | You'll like it. |
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| 19:10.35 | summatusmentis | oh, the stream will let me listen alongside download |
| 19:12.12 | summatusmentis | GAN800: where'd you guys get diablo? |
| 19:12.41 | qwerty12_N800 | the devil |
| 19:12.43 | qwerty12_N800 | from^ |
| 19:12.46 | GAN800 | SSU |
| 19:12.55 | GAN800 | Diablo tableteer repo |
| 19:13.06 | qwerty12_N800 | (passworded now) |
| 19:13.16 | GAN800 | I want lardman's talk! |
| 19:13.36 | summatusmentis | oh, and since i't passworded, noone can have it? :) |
| 19:13.55 | qwerty12_N800 | find out the password ;) |
| 19:14.00 | qwerty12_N800 | was 1st :p |
| 19:14.11 | GAN800 | ^ braggard |
| 19:14.16 | GAN800 | :P |
| 19:14.21 | summatusmentis | lol |
| 19:14.23 | qwerty12_N800 | and loving it :p |
| 19:14.28 | gnuSnob | someone said to disable alarms when using the large sb clock - there are two different "alarms" options |
| 19:14.53 | gnuSnob | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:15.19 | gnuSnob | I had to disable the alarms from the statusbar itself in order for the clock to work |
| 19:15.28 | summatusmentis | presumably we don't know the password huh? |
| 19:15.41 | gnuSnob | Does that mean I'll lose all alarms from all apps now? |
| 19:15.59 | GAN800 | summatusmentis, apt source. |
| 19:16.27 | summatusmentis | GAN800: does it work? |
| 19:16.32 | qwerty12_N800 | yes |
| 19:16.35 | summatusmentis | I don't want to break things |
| 19:16.55 | qwerty12_N800 | my advice would be to leave it for now |
| 19:17.11 | summatusmentis | alright |
| 19:17.21 | summatusmentis | I guess I'll just wait :) |
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| 19:35.36 | qwerty12_N800 | GAN800, Before I end up deleting them, do you want the hildon-desktop that wont disable the applets when hildon-desktop gets killed? |
| 19:35.51 | GAN800 | Nah, no real need. |
| 19:36.00 | GAN800 | But thanks. |
| 19:36.33 | qwerty12_N800 | np, i plan on restoring the originals too |
| 19:36.45 | GAN800 | Who's the HE guy talking? |
| 19:36.55 | GAN800 | About the wifi kernel stuff, too? |
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| 19:53.00 | gpd | so I'm using my HSDPA Nokia E51 via N800 on O2 unlimited web/walk - and all is excellent - but it seems to 'drop' the connection if 'too much' traffic goes through... not sure if it is O2 doing it actively - or just a failure of the system at my end - anyone with similar experiences? [unlikely...] |
| 19:54.23 | gpd | come to think of it - it also does it on XP via USB to the phone - so probably is O2... |
| 19:55.30 | GAN8001 | Sounds like it. |
| 19:55.44 | gpd | but for the logs -- I am on simplicity plan and have a free web bolt on with 'unlimited' accces within fair usage. It works perfectly via bluetooth to N800 and also to laptop via USB. Highly recommend. |
| 19:56.20 | RST38h | N8x0s should really sell bundled with E51 phones =) |
| 19:56.43 | RST38h | coupled with a faux curly wire =) |
| 19:57.15 | gpd | I love my E51 so far.. great little phone. |
| 19:58.33 | GAN8001 | RST38h, you look over the wiki recently? |
| 20:02.07 | *** topic/#maemo by GAN8001 -> Development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets | http://maemo.org | http://freedesktop.org/Software/sbox2/Maemo | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | http://www.gronmayer.com/it | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook | Quim Gil's talk at LinuxTag http://www.archive.org/details/QuimGil-MaemoLinuxtag2008Update |
| 20:02.23 | AStorm | E51 is too large for me :P |
| 20:02.48 | keesj | jott: are you there? |
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| 20:18.22 | keesj | pupnik: you made it! |
| 20:18.30 | GAN8001 | Hehe |
| 20:18.39 | GAN8001 | Welcome home LinuxTaggers. :P |
| 20:19.25 | keesj | I have some pictures , I will probably mail later to the list |
| 20:19.30 | keesj | http://picasaweb.google.com/kees.jongenburger/LinuxTag2008Maemo |
| 20:20.09 | GAN8001 | is waiting eagerly for the rest of the audio recordings. |
| 20:21.03 | qwerty12_N800 | keesj, nice shots |
| 20:21.18 | keesj | thanks |
| 20:21.35 | GAN8001 | http://lh6.ggpht.com/kees.jongenburger/SEGmqywBcPI/AAAAAAAABbw/QOt7RfXP67k/p5291797.jpg?imgmax=576 |
| 20:21.43 | GAN8001 | I guess hrw found a laptop |
| 20:21.50 | keesj | mine :p |
| 20:22.13 | qwerty12_N800 | heh, i recognised it was yours |
| 20:22.30 | keesj | It really is the way to go. |
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| 20:22.35 | qwerty12_N800 | i saw the serial cable flashing images |
| 20:23.10 | GAN8001 | keesj, great shots! |
| 20:23.37 | keesj | skip the sdk part give people a real rootfs with gcc and such |
| 20:26.55 | keesj | I get 500 INTERNAL_SERVER_ERROR's from picassa :( |
| 20:27.06 | qwerty12_N800 | same here |
| 20:27.25 | pupnik | yeey |
| 20:28.28 | GAN8001 | pupnik, how'd the cam work out for your demos? |
| 20:29.31 | pupnik | defective, returning it |
| 20:30.46 | GAN8001 | :P |
| 20:30.56 | GAN8001 | S'too bad |
| 20:31.04 | GAN8001 | How'd you present? |
| 20:31.34 | qwerty12_N800 | How's lcuk? Northerner power! :p |
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| 20:32.32 | keesj | lcuk was great! we where all impressed |
| 20:33.10 | rsalveti | keesj: http://picasaweb.google.com/kees.jongenburger/LinuxTag2008Maemo/ |
| 20:33.14 | rsalveti | was missing last '/' |
| 20:33.15 | keesj | He was very nervous for the talk but he made up for it afterwards |
| 20:33.21 | qwerty12_N800 | great :) |
| 20:33.36 | GAN8001 | Poor bastard was up first or second, wasn't he? |
| 20:33.38 | qwerty12_N800 | us northerners got da heat :p |
| 20:33.47 | keesj | hi rsalveti |
| 20:34.00 | rsalveti | hm, I guess that wasn't working at all and now it is :-) |
| 20:34.02 | rsalveti | hi |
| 20:34.46 | keesj | I think the mamona talk went ok. |
| 20:35.22 | GAN8001 | keesj, pupnik, anybody else who was there. Who was the Nokian-sounding gentlemen that chimed in about the Hacker Editions and wifi/kernel stuff during Quim's Q&A (from the audio file linked in the topic)? |
| 20:35.30 | rsalveti | keesj: nice, how was it? |
| 20:36.46 | keesj | rsalveti: it was a little to much I guess. but I think at least a few people are currently thinking :P |
| 20:37.01 | rsalveti | keesj: nice |
| 20:37.31 | keesj | most question where about power management and other missing things |
| 20:37.31 | rsalveti | keesj: was it recorded? |
| 20:37.31 | rsalveti | keesj: hm, got it |
| 20:37.31 | keesj | rsalveti: I guess |
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| 20:39.13 | EruditeHermit | hey, what is the default runlevel for maemo? |
| 20:39.25 | qwerty12_N800 | 2 |
| 20:39.38 | qwerty12_N800 | 5 if booted with charger in |
| 20:39.52 | keesj | http://mamona.mmapps.net/lt/mamona_linuxtag_2008.pdf |
| 20:40.18 | EruditeHermit | my tablet-browser-daemon isn't starting on boot |
| 20:40.27 | EruditeHermit | so my browser is useless |
| 20:41.11 | qwerty12_N800 | EruditeHermit, by any chance, you weren't messing with the services control panel under diablo? |
| 20:41.18 | EruditeHermit | yes I was |
| 20:41.39 | EruditeHermit | is that a known issue? |
| 20:42.01 | AStorm | hah |
| 20:42.04 | qwerty12_N800 | i fu*ked my daemon like that too |
| 20:42.05 | AStorm | diablo got you |
| 20:42.07 | summatusmentis | johnx: ping |
| 20:42.27 | qwerty12_N800 | but i have framebuffer so i saw problem ;) |
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| 20:43.27 | rsalveti | keesj: cool |
| 20:43.27 | qwerty12_N800 | EruditeHermit, change the number in /etc/rc2.d/ to make the browser daemon start after the xserver |
| 20:43.41 | EruditeHermit | ok |
| 20:43.50 | EruditeHermit | was that what it was initially? |
| 20:44.27 | qwerty12_N800 | no idea, but it works ;) |
| 20:45.18 | qwerty12_N800 | i could see fb output saying that the daemon couldn't open the display :/ |
| 20:46.25 | EruditeHermit | cool |
| 20:46.26 | EruditeHermit | it worked |
| 20:46.41 | EruditeHermit | darn services control panel |
| 20:46.57 | summatusmentis | when I'm extracting the debian chroot, i get : tar: cannot create directory './var/lib/bluetooth/00:19:4F:DA:FA:28': Invalid argument |
| 20:47.00 | summatusmentis | tar: can't open './var/lib/bluetooth/00:19:4F:DA:FA:28/names': No such file or directory |
| 20:47.03 | summatusmentis | suggestions? |
| 20:48.21 | qwerty12_N800 | you are extracting the debian beta 3 to a ext2 volume as root right? |
| 20:49.44 | summatusmentis | oh, not as root |
| 20:49.50 | summatusmentis | but should that matter? |
| 20:50.21 | qwerty12_N800 | yes, do it as root to ensure correct permissions and owners |
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| 21:27.05 | summatus|food | woot! sshfs ) |
| 21:27.10 | summatus|food | :) ** |
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| 21:33.12 | blitzen | is there a simple way to integrate mp3 playback capability in maemo. for streaming over the web |
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| 21:40.07 | AStorm | too fast |
| 21:40.09 | AStorm | ;P |
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| 21:49.22 | Tama^2 | Hi |
| 21:49.55 | GAN800 | Howdy |
| 21:50.32 | GAN800 | I'm having the time of my life trying to pull a maemo pronounciation clip out of Quim's LinuxTag talk. :D |
| 21:51.13 | Tama^2 | :) |
| 21:51.59 | GAN800 | I'd love to turn this into something but it's CCed noderivatives. |
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| 21:57.41 | summatus|food | GAN800: mai mo |
| 21:58.03 | summatus|food | oh, that's not what you meant |
| 21:58.04 | GAN800 | I've always said it may-mo |
| 21:58.24 | GAN800 | There's some discussion of it on the itos wikipedia article |
| 21:58.41 | GAN800 | Evidwntly there's no official pronounciation. |
| 21:58.47 | summatus|food | I have too, but he pronounces it mahy-mo |
| 21:58.58 | rcloud | its derived from latin yeah? |
| 21:59.04 | GAN800 | He's Finnish. :P |
| 21:59.28 | summatus|food | he seems to be pronouncing the ae as if it were a latin word |
| 21:59.34 | qwerty12_N800 | Quim's Spanish |
| 21:59.42 | rcloud | werd |
| 21:59.50 | GAN800 | You're right, qwerty12 |
| 21:59.51 | summatus|food | he's got a pretty bitchin' name though |
| 22:00.23 | GAN800 | 'Kim Jil' |
| 22:00.57 | qwerty12_N800 | that reminds me of that North Korean guy |
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| 22:01.06 | summatus|food | :-D debian chroot installed, apt-getting oo.o now :) |
| 22:01.15 | rcloud | lulz |
| 22:01.18 | summatus|food | Kim Jong-il ? |
| 22:01.27 | qwerty12_N800 | yeah, heh |
| 22:01.34 | GAN800 | Hehe, that's what I thought when I first found out the correct pronunciation. |
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| 22:19.53 | rcloud | can anyone give some advice on a python app i'm writing? |
| 22:22.36 | Tama^2 | shoot, maybe I can help |
| 22:23.43 | rcloud | is python fast enough to decode mp3s for playback? |
| 22:24.01 | rcloud | or do i need to integrate some c? also is there a python module for mp3 playback already? |
| 22:24.32 | Tama^2 | no, you do not want to do that in python |
| 22:24.56 | Tama^2 | especially on a mobile platform like maemo |
| 22:25.32 | rcloud | how should I do it in maemo? I want it integrated into my app |
| 22:25.40 | qwerty12_N800 | canola's in python but it cheats, it uses osso-media-server/gstreamer to playback mp3's |
| 22:25.56 | Tama^2 | If I recall correctly maemo supports mp3 playback for applications. |
| 22:26.06 | rcloud | ok |
| 22:26.07 | Tama^2 | exactly |
| 22:26.19 | rcloud | these will be mp3 files served on the internet |
| 22:26.21 | rcloud | not local |
| 22:26.34 | Tama^2 | you can do that too |
| 22:26.42 | Tama^2 | with gstreamer |
| 22:26.55 | rcloud | great thx |
| 22:26.58 | Tama^2 | you feed it with your stream as you download it |
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| 22:27.29 | dev | rcloud: https://coherence.beebits.net/browser/trunk/coherence/backends/gstreamer_audio_player.py |
| 22:28.12 | dev | rcloud: you can take the player part there |
| 22:28.12 | rcloud | sweet thanks |
| 22:30.00 | rcloud | this is really helpful |
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| 22:35.48 | Rhoruns | hey guys, i'm very confused.. am i supposed to install Scratchbox on the N810 ITSELF, or a host computer?? |
| 22:36.07 | Rhoruns | i've been trying to install it on OS2008 on my n810, and it's not just working. |
| 22:36.25 | Rhoruns | but then i noticed that no one actually says to install scratch ON the n810 tablet. |
| 22:37.21 | Rhoruns | just holler if anyone has the answer. :) thanks. |
| 22:37.59 | dev | it is meant for a host |
| 22:38.02 | rcloud | hey rhoruns, there is a good vm appliance for scratchbox |
| 22:38.09 | rcloud | very easy to use |
| 22:38.19 | Rhoruns | vm? i've never used VMware |
| 22:38.22 | Rhoruns | is it easy? |
| 22:38.49 | rcloud | yeah man |
| 22:39.02 | rcloud | just download vm player, download the appliance and your good to go |
| 22:39.13 | Rhoruns | ahh, awesome man, thanks. :) |
| 22:39.23 | Rhoruns | i'll look around and come back if i need more help. |
| 22:39.37 | Rhoruns | so i use the host to compile programs for ARM? |
| 22:39.44 | rcloud | its on the maemo site. dont have a link right now though |
| 22:39.46 | Rhoruns | and just transfer it over to the tablet? |
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| 22:40.03 | rcloud | yeah, crooss compile for the armel then build it as a deb or ssh the binary over to the tablet |
| 22:40.49 | rcloud | if u want to write python u can also use an eclipse plugin which doesnt need scratchbox |
| 22:41.10 | Rhoruns | awesome. well i just need to compile a few programs. but thanks so much |
| 22:41.28 | Rhoruns | i'm so retarded.. i spent like 8 hours doing the same damn command on the tablet.. LOL |
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| 22:45.17 | Oniano_ | has anybody used gstreamer to capture some video on their n810 and send over a network to another pc here? |
| 22:46.39 | GAN800 | is loving Gizmo even more since his phone died and he can't find a charger. |
| 22:46.56 | Rhoruns | hmm.. what do i search for to find that vm appliance on Maemo.org? |
| 22:47.28 | Rhoruns | ah nvm.. got it |
| 22:47.28 | Rhoruns | http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 22:49.04 | Stskeeps | Oniano_: i have tried some gstreamer -> videolan on pc atleast |
| 22:49.10 | Stskeeps | currently at a state where i transmit blue-ish pics |
| 22:49.11 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 22:49.31 | jga23 | anybody able to the armel scratchbox to install in hardy? |
| 22:50.43 | rcloud | whats the limit of bluetooth devices which can interact with nokia at once? |
| 22:51.31 | Oniano_ | Stskeeps, what's your setup? |
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| 22:52.04 | Oniano_ | udp? |
| 22:52.13 | Tama^2 | rcloud: if you programmatically connect to a bt device I do not think there is a limit in maemo |
| 22:52.36 | Tama^2 | rcloud: there is probably a limit in the BT stack somewhere |
| 22:52.55 | GAN800 | Bandwidth'd probably be an issue before anything. |
| 22:53.18 | Tama^2 | rcloud: If I recall correctly the BT1.1 spec says that a master node can be connected to a maximum of other 7 nodes |
| 22:53.32 | GAN800 | I personally have done GPS, keyboard, headset and cellphone at the samr tome without issue. |
| 22:53.57 | rcloud | ahh, well thats good to know |
| 22:54.10 | rcloud | 7 is more than I neeeeeed |
| 22:54.42 | rcloud | @GAN800 you were able to get a bluetooth headset to work? |
| 22:54.44 | Stskeeps | Oniano_: sec |
| 22:57.04 | GAN800 | Headsets work fine. |
| 22:57.32 | rcloud | hmm ok, i was having some difficulty |
| 22:59.12 | t_s_o | http://www.vat19.com/dvds/freehand-pocket-for-hand.cfm <- new way to carry ones N8x0? |
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| 23:05.02 | Tama^2 | mmmm looks so sweetly dorky, I WANT one! |
| 23:05.05 | Tama^2 | xD |
| 23:05.40 | Tama^2 | (I suspect it will be too small for the n800) |
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| 23:07.26 | rcloud | yeah i think that is the way to go |
| 23:07.36 | t_s_o | the video at the bottom show them cramming a samsung blackberry clone into one |
| 23:08.13 | rcloud | i want to carry my nokia in my backpack and forward the x server to a display in my sunglasses and input with my wristwatch |
| 23:08.26 | rcloud | now who can do this for me? |
| 23:09.22 | Rhoruns | lol |
| 23:09.37 | Rhoruns | $10k plz k thx.. then i'll do it. |
| 23:10.05 | t_s_o | hmm, hack a sonyerricson bluetooth watch, or maybe one of those phone watches to do serial over bluetooth? as for x server in sunglasses, not sure. but i have seen some video glasses. none of them look much like sunglasses tho... |
| 23:10.18 | rcloud | they already make displays in glasses. i dont know if they are bluetooth or if bluetooth would have enough bandwidth |
| 23:11.02 | rcloud | can we xforward over usb now? |
| 23:11.54 | Nermal | 8| |
| 23:12.05 | t_s_o | http://scienceblogs.com/cognitivedaily/2008/05/casual_fridays_mac_users_dont.php |
| 23:12.35 | t_s_o | the video glasses i have read about was all wired ones |
| 23:13.09 | t_s_o | but the celio redfly does scaled up phone display over bluetooth iirc. but that use custom compression... |
| 23:14.06 | rcloud | ack |
| 23:14.16 | rcloud | bluetooth bandwith is only a couple mb right? |
| 23:16.49 | rcloud | man it is hard to code while sloshed |
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| 23:17.48 | t_s_o | rcloud: i think its up to usb 1.0 rates if you have 2.0+edr hardware at both ends. on a interference free day that is ;) |
| 23:18.31 | rcloud | ok so 1.5 mb? |
| 23:18.59 | rcloud | well that is plenty for a solid display, especially the size of eyeglasses |
| 23:19.25 | GAN800 | Anybody want to comment on the 'Mystery Meat link' weirdness on the 100Days page? |
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| 23:21.44 | GAN800 | X-Fade_! |
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| 23:32.22 | jga23 | is anybody using the maemo sdk+? |
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| 23:40.29 | Tama^2 | jga23: you mean the oen based on scratchbox 2.0? I tried to install it but failed |
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| 23:43.15 | jga23 | Tama^2: yeah |
| 23:43.27 | Rhoruns | whoa, this VM already has scratchbox on it lol |
| 23:43.45 | Rhoruns | how do i compile something for the n810 ARM? |
| 23:44.18 | jga23 | you need to switch the scratchbox to armel |
| 23:44.29 | Rhoruns | ok, there's two i think.. |
| 23:44.32 | Rhoruns | Chinook and Bora |
| 23:44.38 | jga23 | which is my problem, nothing will install on armel |
| 23:44.42 | Rhoruns | oh |
| 23:44.43 | jga23 | you want chinook |
| 23:44.47 | Rhoruns | ok |
| 23:44.52 | Rhoruns | do you know how to switch to armel? |
| 23:44.57 | jga23 | at least in ubuntu 8.04, 7.10, everything worked fine |
| 23:45.00 | jga23 | sb-menu |
| 23:45.03 | Rhoruns | k |
| 23:45.06 | jga23 | type that in scratchbox |
| 23:45.10 | jga23 | then choose select |
| 23:45.20 | Rhoruns | ok |
| 23:45.26 | Rhoruns | chinook armel |
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| 23:45.46 | Tama^2 | Hi Navi |
| 23:45.57 | Rhoruns | ok, what's the command to compile a source? |
| 23:46.24 | Navi_ | Hai |
| 23:46.33 | rcloud | rhoruns what are you using? |
| 23:46.40 | Rhoruns | im using the VM you told me to get |
| 23:46.48 | jga23 | what is your source? |
| 23:46.50 | Rhoruns | im in scratchbox atm |
| 23:46.59 | Rhoruns | uhg.. lol... you don't want to know |
| 23:47.08 | rcloud | lol what is it? |
| 23:47.15 | Tama^2 | jga23: on the old ubuntu LTS I get to the point where it has to init the environment (after downloading meamo related scripts etc) and then it bails out with an error |
| 23:47.16 | Rhoruns | i'll probably get banned if i say it |
| 23:47.21 | rcloud | rhoruns is there a file called configure? |
| 23:47.28 | rcloud | nah dude, what is it? |
| 23:47.36 | Rhoruns | Bluesnarfer :P |
| 23:47.49 | rcloud | hold on ill google that :P |
| 23:47.53 | Rhoruns | kk >_< |
| 23:48.11 | rcloud | wtf u sick fuk |
| 23:48.11 | Rhoruns | the src is just two .c files. |
| 23:48.11 | jga23 | Tama^2: was that just for arm? |
| 23:48.21 | Rhoruns | wha? LOL!?! |
| 23:48.25 | jga23 | gcc should work |
| 23:48.30 | rcloud | lol i'm kiding |
| 23:48.47 | rcloud | yeah gcc *.c -o whateveruwanttocallit |
| 23:48.55 | Rhoruns | cool man :D |
| 23:48.58 | rcloud | make sure u are in armel mode |
| 23:49.02 | Rhoruns | ok, i am |
| 23:49.08 | Rhoruns | chinook armel, right? |
| 23:49.08 | Tama^2 | jga23: yes, I think so |
| 23:49.24 | Tama^2 | it was a while ago so I do not recall exactly. I gave up |
| 23:50.39 | rcloud | yeah |
| 23:50.41 | rcloud | sb-menu |
| 23:50.45 | rcloud | to select |
| 23:50.56 | Rhoruns | okie dokie.. here we gooo :D |
| 23:51.34 | rcloud | dood is this to hack bluetooth connections or what? |
| 23:51.41 | Rhoruns | maybe.. >_> |
| 23:51.54 | rcloud | lulz |
| 23:52.16 | rcloud | did the compile work? |
| 23:52.34 | Rhoruns | hold on, i'm a retard when it comes to navigating directories :D |
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| 23:56.40 | Rhoruns | wth..? i put the folder containing the srcs into the top maemo directory, and they don't show up in ls.. :( |
| 23:56.45 | Rhoruns | hmm |
| 23:57.39 | rcloud | what direc? /home/maemo? |
| 23:58.31 | Rhoruns | hold on, i opened a term on the dir. |
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| 23:58.58 | Rhoruns | oh, scratchbox has it's own directory structure..?? |
| 23:59.23 | rcloud | yeah, but u can access it from the main direct structure |
| 23:59.41 | rcloud | easiest way is to enter scratchbox and wget your sources |
| 23:59.44 | rcloud | or whatev |
| 23:59.49 | Rhoruns | ohh i see |
| 23:59.56 | Rhoruns | kk, ill do that then |
