| 00:00.00 | guenther | https://bugs.maemo.org/query.cgi |
| 00:00.01 | GAN8001 | But the stupid period in the parenthesis is ugly and should be deleted. ;) |
| 00:00.10 | guenther | Just go back there. :) |
| 00:00.12 | wazd | What rows should I look for? |
| 00:00.17 | wazd | there are tons of them( |
| 00:00.42 | guenther | heh |
| 00:00.49 | guenther | period in paranthesis? |
| 00:00.53 | GAN8001 | wazd, ssh in and pastebin it. |
| 00:01.08 | GAN8001 | Give me some help (reloads page.) |
| 00:01.10 | GAN8001 | The one there. |
| 00:01.11 | AStorm | wazd: something about menelaus setting MMC voltage |
| 00:01.24 | wazd | yep, there is |
| 00:01.27 | guenther | slaps forehead |
| 00:01.34 | AStorm | with high number on left (that is, very recent) |
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| 00:02.19 | wazd | 2800 mV |
| 00:02.21 | wazd | that? |
| 00:02.41 | AStorm | yeah, that |
| 00:02.45 | AStorm | so the kernel sees it |
| 00:02.47 | texel | wazd: there should be a line in there that says something to the effect of "waiting for devices to settle before scanning" as well. |
| 00:02.52 | summatusmentis | w00t KDE! |
| 00:02.54 | AStorm | texel: nope |
| 00:02.57 | summatusmentis | this thing amazes me |
| 00:02.58 | AStorm | that's only on startup |
| 00:03.11 | texel | AStorm: Uhh... okay. |
| 00:03.16 | AStorm | wazd: now check if there are /dev/mmcblk1* |
| 00:03.24 | texel | I get that every time I insert a card... O.o |
| 00:03.26 | texel | shrugs |
| 00:03.28 | AStorm | (afaicr it's the external card slot) |
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| 00:04.20 | wazd | wait please I'll reinsert without 2nd SD card |
| 00:04.24 | wazd | for clear results |
| 00:05.35 | texel | AStorm: okay, I'm a bonehead -- mmcblk drivers don't use the SCSI subsystem. =op |
| 00:05.42 | texel | So it'll never say that. =op |
| 00:05.43 | AStorm | yeah, they don't |
| 00:07.01 | wazd | okay, I have different values |
| 00:07.07 | wazd | 3300, 2800 |
| 00:07.19 | wazd | 3100, 3000 |
| 00:07.49 | AStorm | correct |
| 00:08.00 | AStorm | on the same card, or diff ones? |
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| 00:08.54 | wazd | menlaus 1-0072: Setting voltage 'VDCDC3' to 2800 mV |
| 00:09.10 | wazd | I think VDC... is the name?) |
| 00:09.20 | wazd | then on different |
| 00:09.31 | AStorm | yes, it is the name of the wire of mmc controller |
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| 00:12.45 | |penguinbait| | can anyone running firmware prior to 51-3 on 800 or 810 test a command for me? |
| 00:14.06 | GAN8001 | I can if time is cyclical. :D |
| 00:14.21 | AStorm | night |
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| 00:14.58 | guenther | Does that explain deja vues? |
| 00:15.45 | texel | guenther: Somehow, I don't think so... =op |
| 00:17.47 | GAN8001 | guenther, is there any way to set timezone in bugzilla? |
| 00:18.03 | GAN8001 | I'd like not to have to think about the times when using it. . . . |
| 00:18.44 | guenther | IIRC yes, let me check |
| 00:18.59 | GAN8001 | Who are the idiots that keep adding software requests to the 2010 agenda? <_< |
| 00:20.24 | guenther | ah, no -- sorry |
| 00:20.40 | guenther | I had itT in mind, where I recently set it. |
| 00:21.14 | GAN8001 | Should I open a enhancement request? :P |
| 00:21.15 | guenther | GAN8001: Where are you? |
| 00:21.20 | guenther | No. :-) |
| 00:21.21 | GAN8001 | EDT |
| 00:21.41 | guenther | err... -0500 r something? |
| 00:21.54 | GAN8001 | -0400 right now |
| 00:21.58 | GAN8001 | Daylight savings time |
| 00:22.02 | guenther | right |
| 00:23.22 | guenther | Wonder if this feature ever has been implemented upstream. |
| 00:23.43 | guenther | Can't recall seeing it in at least 6 different bugzilla servers... |
| 00:23.55 | GAN8001 | I was googling it a few days ago |
| 00:24.01 | GAN8001 | My guess is "no" |
| 00:24.09 | GAN8001 | Which seems odd. |
| 00:24.14 | guenther | nods |
| 00:24.58 | guenther | In that case, would be closed RESOLVED NOTMAEMO. ;) |
| 00:25.12 | guenther | Alas, that GNOME-ism doesn't exist. |
| 00:25.51 | GAN8001 | I still want it anyway. :P |
| 00:25.58 | guenther | Did you check bugzilla.org, if this ever has been filed upstream as feature request? |
| 00:26.26 | |penguinbait| | lshal -l --show /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_mmci_omap_1_mmc_host_0_mmc_card_rca4660_storage |
| 00:26.34 | GAN8001 | Not specifically. |
| 00:26.37 | GAN8001 | I read something somehwere |
| 00:26.43 | GAN8001 | Don't recall what where |
| 00:26.47 | |penguinbait| | I use this command to pull storage information |
| 00:26.59 | guenther | recalls that place |
| 00:27.06 | |penguinbait| | would it be different between firmware versions on the same hardware? |
| 00:27.14 | guenther | somewhere is nice to stay for a few days, isn't it? |
| 00:27.37 | GAN8001 | Fantasmagastic |
| 00:27.54 | GAN8001 | Maemo Bugzilla is +0200, right? |
| 00:28.36 | GAN8001 | Also, b.m.o. == ? |
| 00:28.36 | guenther | +0300 currently ;) |
| 00:28.56 | guenther | b.m.o == bugs.maemo.org |
| 00:29.23 | guenther | At least in this channel. Mozilla got their own IRC network to claim different usage. ;-) |
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| 00:31.33 | guenther | GAN8001: You're never come across that acronym before? |
| 00:31.45 | guenther | Sorry, probably a GNOME-ism. :) |
| 00:31.58 | GAN8001 | Probably have, but I've never previously cared what it meant |
| 00:32.03 | guenther | The bugsquad and infrastructure teams tend to use these. |
| 00:32.09 | GAN8001 | and it definitely doesn't get used in a maemo context. |
| 00:32.30 | GAN8001 | We usually just call it "bugzilla" here. |
| 00:32.36 | guenther | Andre and me sure adopted for internal use, and it turned out most folks just understood it. |
| 00:32.45 | guenther | So I assumed it's the same here. :) |
| 00:33.15 | GAN8001 | is stupid. ;_; ;) |
| 00:33.39 | GAN8001 | I mean, I got that it referred to bugzilla, just not what the acronym was for. ;) |
| 00:33.46 | guenther | yeah, using the host names only makes sense, in a closed env |
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| 00:34.49 | guenther | got a FF "bmo" keyword to jump to bugs numbers |
| 00:35.11 | GAN8001 | Hehe |
| 00:35.18 | GAN8001 | I set one up in OmniWeb a few weeks ago |
| 00:35.28 | guenther | Almost the first bookmark I saved, with bugs.maemo.org a close second. |
| 00:36.27 | guenther | Has been invaluable for GNOME, and I already used bmo a lot. |
| 00:37.49 | GAN8001 | Shortcuts are great |
| 00:37.54 | GAN8001 | Got one for everything. |
| 00:38.02 | guenther | Especially with %s |
| 00:38.15 | GAN8001 | wiki, imdb, itt, bugzilla |
| 00:38.37 | GAN8001 | wikim for wiki maemo, now, too |
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| 00:48.54 | rm_you | wait, someone actually uses OmniWeb!? |
| 00:49.34 | GAN8001 | Heck yes! |
| 00:49.49 | GAN8001 | I've been using OW for a long time |
| 00:50.02 | GAN8001 | Fantastic browser. ;) |
| 00:50.15 | rm_you | i was going around looking for commercial web browsers a while back and i stumbled across OmniWeb, and was having trouble imagining anyone paying for a web browser nowadays ^_^ |
| 00:50.27 | GAN8001 | I only paid $5 |
| 00:50.30 | GAN8001 | So, meh |
| 00:50.37 | GAN8001 | I love the "tab" bar |
| 00:50.41 | GAN8001 | and workspaces |
| 00:50.44 | GAN8001 | and shortcuts |
| 00:50.56 | GAN8001 | resizable text boxes |
| 00:50.58 | rm_you | doesn't firefox or opera have those? |
| 00:51.00 | GAN8001 | It's a fun browser |
| 00:51.02 | rm_you | ah, that would be nice |
| 00:51.10 | GAN8001 | Opera is more proprietary nonsense |
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| 00:51.14 | rm_you | though i have a firefox plugin that does the resizable textboxezs |
| 00:51.19 | GAN8001 | Firefox is slow as shit and ugly as hell on OS X. ;) |
| 00:51.23 | rm_you | yeah |
| 00:51.35 | GAN8001 | Even with FF3 and their "native" widgets it still looks like shit |
| 00:51.38 | rm_you | though 3 is nice, but it the plugins i use don't work with it yet |
| 00:51.52 | GAN8001 | rm_you, moved? |
| 00:51.54 | rm_you | hrm |
| 00:52.02 | rm_you | ? |
| 00:52.12 | rm_you | moved? |
| 00:52.18 | GAN8001 | Or is your shit still everywhere? |
| 00:52.23 | rm_you | ah |
| 00:52.30 | rm_you | I'm mostly home now |
| 00:52.33 | rm_you | not fully set up yet tho |
| 00:52.39 | GAN8001 | Get an Extras account yet? :P |
| 00:52.44 | rm_you | nope >_< |
| 00:52.58 | rm_you | I pretty much gave up until they roll out the improved interface for extras promotion |
| 00:52.59 | GAN8001 | I netted a few new users yesterday |
| 00:53.07 | GAN8001 | then we complained about you for a little while. |
| 00:53.10 | GAN8001 | It was fun. :P |
| 00:53.11 | rm_you | lol |
| 00:53.16 | GAN8001 | and johnx told me to blame you |
| 00:53.19 | GAN8001 | or blame him |
| 00:53.20 | GAN8001 | something |
| 00:53.21 | rm_you | haha |
| 00:53.26 | GAN8001 | I don't remember |
| 00:53.26 | rm_you | why the 8001? |
| 00:53.32 | GAN8001 | so I'm just going to blame you both |
| 00:53.41 | GAN8001 | Quicksilver G4 at my parent's house |
| 00:53.48 | rm_you | heh |
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| 00:53.54 | rm_you | so you moved back too? |
| 00:53.56 | GAN8001 | I don't feel like getting my proxy up and running again. . . . |
| 00:54.07 | GAN8001 | Just for the week |
| 00:54.10 | rm_you | ah |
| 00:54.16 | GAN8001 | Going back up for summer semester next week. |
| 00:54.18 | rm_you | I need to get my server set up |
| 00:54.26 | rm_you | and then i can start developing |
| 00:54.29 | Navi | blame everyone |
| 00:54.35 | GAN8001 | You would. |
| 00:54.42 | Navi | blames GAN8001 |
| 00:55.11 | GAN8001 | Think I should open a sister bug, rm_you? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3195 :D |
| 00:56.17 | GAN8001 | Navi, finish sorting wikipages so we can get this move started and stop hanging about in limbo. <_< |
| 00:56.31 | rm_you | yes |
| 00:56.34 | rm_you | i believe i should |
| 00:57.02 | rm_you | i'll do it... |
| 00:57.07 | rm_you | and i'll copy/paste their letter, lol |
| 00:57.17 | GAN8001 | Letter? |
| 00:58.08 | |penguinbait| | are the repos messed up again? |
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| 00:58.43 | rm_you | err, the stuff they typed |
| 00:58.49 | rm_you | make it look like a form letter :P |
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| 01:00.25 | GAN8001 | Seems like it, |penguinbait|. Reopening. . . . |
| 01:00.46 | |penguinbait| | its so disappointing |
| 01:01.24 | GAN8001 | Maybe spoke too soon |
| 01:01.29 | GAN8001 | tablets-dev responded |
| 01:04.29 | |penguinbait| | you must be lucky |
| 01:04.38 | |penguinbait| | mine is still hosed |
| 01:05.18 | GAN8001 | Repos responded, too |
| 01:08.49 | rm_you | GAN8001: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3199 |
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| 01:11.10 | GAN8001 | rm_you, supposedly there'll be a wikipage with packages, source status, and (maybe) justification at some point. |
| 01:11.17 | rm_you | cool. |
| 01:11.36 | rm_you | want to open another for the sound statusbar applet? :P |
| 01:12.07 | GAN8001 | It came up in the last #maemo-meeting |
| 01:12.17 | GAN8001 | and there's a QuestionsforNokia page up with some of it |
| 01:12.45 | GAN8001 | But somebody needs to dump a list, go through the source status of everything and then poke Nokia to start adding the justifications. |
| 01:13.07 | rm_you | heh |
| 01:13.17 | rm_you | it's depressingly slow going <_< |
| 01:13.24 | GAN8001 | Yeah. . . . |
| 01:16.00 | GAN8001 | A fairly large amount of community frustration can be attributed to Nokia's glacial movement compared to most open source stuff. |
| 01:16.34 | GAN8001 | Vote for the bugs, rm_you. |
| 01:17.08 | GAN8001 | Then we can both poke Navi to. |
| 01:17.56 | rm_you | hehe k voted |
| 01:18.01 | rm_you | what about johnx too? :P |
| 01:18.19 | GAN8001 | He's teh sleeps or something |
| 01:18.23 | GAN8001 | So, |
| 01:18.26 | GAN8001 | pokes Navi |
| 01:18.31 | GAN8001 | Vote on the bugs, Navi. |
| 01:18.35 | rm_you | he should wake up |
| 01:18.44 | GAN8001 | rm_you, you see the LinuxTag stuff? |
| 01:19.13 | GAN8001 | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/maemo-brainstorm.html |
| 01:19.52 | GAN8001 | https://maemo.org/forrest-images/pdf/maemo-policy.pdf |
| 01:19.56 | GAN8001 | http://www.slideshare.net/qgil/maemo-linuxtag-update |
| 01:20.34 | GAN8001 | http://blogs.gnome.org/bolsh/2008/05/29/maemoorg-track-in-linuxtag/ |
| 01:20.35 | rm_you | not yet |
| 01:20.38 | rm_you | will look now |
| 01:20.44 | GAN8001 | Well, there you go. ;) |
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| 01:27.47 | unixSnob | Suppose I want to power a 6 volt 2 inch television from the 1980s using a 5V psu.. will that risk damaging anything? |
| 01:27.55 | unixSnob | From what I understand, a power deficit isn't risky |
| 01:28.09 | unixSnob | I know the psu can support more than enough current |
| 01:28.31 | unixSnob | any EE majors? |
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| 01:43.15 | Proteous | CRT TVs can be pretty touchy |
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| 01:44.41 | oilinki | diablo is the wimax version of n810? |
| 01:44.47 | rm_you | i have a similar question if anyone answers that one :P I need to power a small LCD |
| 01:44.54 | rm_you | probably off of batteries |
| 01:45.03 | GAN8001 | No, oilinki |
| 01:45.20 | GAN8001 | The WiMAX version of the N810 is called "N810 WiMAX Edition" |
| 01:45.26 | GAN8001 | Diablo is the next OS2008 release |
| 01:45.32 | GAN8001 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:45.52 | oilinki | GAN8001: thanks for the info. I was just wondering about the a-gps. |
| 01:47.14 | oilinki | I suppose n810 need to be connected to a phone to be able to use a-gps? |
| 01:47.20 | Proteous | not even then |
| 01:47.44 | GAN8001 | oilinki, or wifi |
| 01:47.44 | Proteous | unless that phone can somehow give out the extra data that a-gps needs |
| 01:47.59 | GAN8001 | and I think it can be used offline by tapping your location on a map. |
| 01:48.00 | rm_you | what is AGPS? |
| 01:48.08 | Proteous | asisted GPS |
| 01:48.10 | Proteous | assisted |
| 01:48.30 | Proteous | using cell tower location to speed up position lockin |
| 01:48.40 | oilinki | phone can give the 2g/3g cell information and that info can be compared to the location table |
| 01:49.09 | GAN8001 | I believe it'll use IP location positioning from Nokia's server's |
| 01:49.17 | oilinki | but I guess it would work with wlan as well, if the wlan-ap locations are stored in the terminal |
| 01:49.32 | Proteous | oilinki: I'm not sure that there is a standard way to get the data from the phone over bluetooth, although you could probably write a java app that would run on the phone to do that |
| 01:49.56 | GAN8001 | I believe the system for the N810 uses the interwebs. ;) |
| 01:49.57 | Proteous | by data, I mean nearby cell tower data |
| 01:50.10 | Proteous | those amazing tubes |
| 01:54.38 | oilinki | Proteous: let's see what the technology is behind the diablo agps. |
| 01:55.17 | GAN8001 | It's IP-based. |
| 01:55.22 | GAN8001 | Or click-on-map based. |
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| 01:56.38 | hans-castorp | gruess dich |
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| 02:05.58 | GAN800 | Oh, rm_you, I added adv-backlight to Downloads. |
| 02:06.06 | rm_you | ? |
| 02:07.55 | GAN800 | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/advanced-backlight/ |
| 02:08.00 | unixSnob | Does that enable it to be installed using 'apt-get install adv-backlight'? |
| 02:08.25 | GAN800 | no. |
| 02:08.38 | GAN800 | Downloads != Extras |
| 02:08.48 | user__ | hallo |
| 02:09.17 | GAN800 | Hello. |
| 02:09.39 | GAN800 | user__, might want to /nick to something else. |
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| 02:14.46 | hans-castorp | ok |
| 02:15.06 | GAN8001 | Also, rm_you, did you see this? https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2406&group_id=564&atid=2116 |
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| 02:29.32 | angel | hey, i was trying to flash my nokia n810 wit os2008.. i am trying it on ubuntu hardy... i am trying to fix the flasher 3.0.. i dont know the exact thing to put in the path for the flasher 3.0 linux binary.. can someone help? |
| 02:30.39 | summatusmentis | can you be more specific? |
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| 02:31.37 | angel | well.. i need to do per -pi -e ' ' -i.backup right? |
| 02:31.45 | angel | i dont know wat goes in the ' ' |
| 02:32.31 | summatusmentis | umm... I have no idea... I think you mean the flash file, but I don't know |
| 02:32.59 | angel | yup, on the wiki it says location of the flasher2.0/ 3.0 linux binary |
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| 02:33.57 | angel | now i dont know which path it needs, wats given is 's-/proc/bus/usb-/dev/bus/usv\000-;' |
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| 02:45.47 | jaken | hey ppls. is there another gui besides GTK to use with python in maemo? |
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| 06:43.18 | herwood | good morning everyone |
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| 06:44.27 | herwood | I'm fighting with a drag and drop -issue here |
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| 06:45.31 | herwood | I always get a segmentation fault when I'm trying to fetch the selection data. Has someone faced this problem? |
| 06:46.44 | herwood | Before I try to fetch the selection data, I have put there something in the drag-data-get -handler. |
| 06:48.19 | herwood | the selection data != null but the segmentation fault comes every time when I try to check that is the selectiondata->data null or not. |
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| 06:59.21 | Jaffa | morning, all |
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| 07:27.09 | Dead_K_n810 | Morning ! |
| 07:30.22 | starkmjolk | mornin :) |
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| 07:48.03 | Dead_K_n810 | huhu ! D-feet ! it seems i ve found a great oss tool ! |
| 07:49.18 | Dead_K_n810 | https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/d-feet/ |
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| 07:49.56 | qwerty12 | heh nice :) |
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| 08:03.15 | Surfer9 | Visit http://www.FakeMagazineCover.com (upload pic make mag) - http://www.SillyWebcam.com (play with webcam online) - http://www.Is-A-Jerk.com (insulter/anon email) - http://www.ComedySearchEngine.com (fun) - http://www.BodySwitcher.com (put your face on funny body) - http://www.MedChecker.com (health) - http://www.Canuckster.com (Canada eh) - http://www.Nerdful.com (geeks) |
| 08:03.17 | *** topic/#maemo by Surfer9 -> -=[ www.WHAK.com ]=- Make Free/Fun Graphics Online At http://www.ImageGenerator.org =) |
| 08:03.32 | *** topic/#maemo by KotCzarny -> |
| 08:03.45 | *** topic/#maemo by qwerty12 -> development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets | http://maemo.org | http://freedesktop.org/Software/sbox2/Maemo | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | http://www.gronmayer.com/it | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook |
| 08:03.59 | Dead_K_n810 | qwerty12 > i ll port this once i get my tablette |
| 08:04.07 | qwerty12 | Great :) |
| 08:04.09 | Dead_K_n810 | s/tablette/nit |
| 08:04.17 | qwerty12 | I would like to learn a bit more about D-BUS :) |
| 08:04.26 | Dead_K_n810 | http://oss.codepoet.no/revelation/screenshots/ <- this one should be good too |
| 08:04.44 | Dead_K_n810 | i make a recolt on http://www.pygtk.org//applications.html :) |
| 08:05.09 | qwerty12 | Hehe, http://gdick.kldp.net/ |
| 08:06.43 | Dead_K_n810 | gdick ? |
| 08:06.45 | Dead_K_n810 | what is it ? |
| 08:06.59 | Dead_K_n810 | i ve found :) |
| 08:06.59 | Dead_K_n810 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:06.59 | Dead_K_n810 | Korean-English dictionary client for GNOME |
| 08:07.00 | qwerty12 | Some Korean dictionary. Dodgy name though... |
| 08:07.12 | Dead_K_n810 | useless for me :) |
| 08:07.23 | qwerty12 | For me too :) |
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| 08:07.38 | qwerty12 | I like the comedy value of the name :p |
| 08:08.00 | Dead_K_n810 | i always try to port app that i use ... so i use it and have a better view of the use to mod it correctly |
| 08:08.04 | Dead_K_n810 | salut tmonjalo |
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| 08:11.26 | tmonjalo | Dead_K_n810: salut |
| 08:11.46 | Dead_K_n810 | ouch vmware is really slow on windows ... |
| 08:11.47 | Dead_K_n810 | :( |
| 08:13.01 | Dead_K_n810 | and network don t work :( |
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| 08:51.02 | trickie | howdy |
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| 09:00.33 | user__ | Hello, I bought a N810 yesterday but I have connection problems. It's connected to my wifi network. I can't ping it from my desktop unless I am viewing a web page with the browser. Like if before accessing to a web page the network connection was activated and after disactivated |
| 09:00.44 | user__ | wlan idle time is set to unlimited |
| 09:01.37 | jjo | are you guys getting 401 replies from repository.maemo.org again? |
| 09:01.54 | jjo | or is it my problem at the moment |
| 09:02.55 | kulve | jjo: I seem to be able to download with browser from e.g.: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.0.1/free/w/wget/ |
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| 09:18.58 | Dead_K_n810 | arg ... scratchbox debhelper < 5 |
| 09:19.01 | Dead_K_n810 | grrr |
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| 09:22.55 | herwood | I'm still having huge problems with dnd. Can someone help me a bit? |
| 09:23.54 | herwood | or if someone knows a good tutorial, feel free to tell me :) |
| 09:25.28 | jumpula | Dead_K_n810: debhelper < 5? |
| 09:25.37 | jumpula | Dead_K_n810: which version are you using? |
| 09:26.03 | jumpula | debian-etch devkit should provide you with a recent enough debhelper |
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| 09:26.38 | jumpula | anyway. can't stay, hope you get your problem fixed :) |
| 09:26.51 | Dead_K_n810 | jumpula > as i'm at work |
| 09:27.05 | Dead_K_n810 | i use the vmware appliance sdk |
| 09:27.16 | Dead_K_n810 | and it s an old ubuntu |
| 09:32.50 | qwerty12 | gets the latest Garnet. I plan on keeping a copy on my HD and loading it into IDA sometime :/ |
| 09:36.32 | Dead_K_n810 | ida ? |
| 09:36.49 | qwerty12 | Disassembler |
| 09:37.00 | Dead_K_n810 | why ? |
| 09:37.12 | qwerty12 | has to admit at this point I don't know anything about disassembling but... |
| 09:37.21 | qwerty12 | hates expiry dates ;) |
| 09:37.37 | Dead_K_n810 | lol |
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| 09:42.51 | Robot101 | user__: the wlan antenna is only enabled when sending data |
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| 09:43.36 | Robot101 | user__: if you run ping or something from the device, it'll keep the wireless activated to receive traffic |
| 09:45.54 | user__ | ah, is there a way to prevent that? at least when it's plugged |
| 09:46.14 | qwerty12 | look into derf's acmonitor |
| 09:46.31 | user__ | qwerty12: me? |
| 09:46.50 | qwerty12 | Yeah, it has some "autoping" feature or somesuch |
| 09:46.58 | user__ | ok |
| 09:47.33 | qwerty12 | Yeah, "The daemon also pings a remote host once a minute while on AC power (N800 version only), which helps ensure the network interface will continue to accept remote connections (e.g., via sshd) after idle periods. If you'd like to change the host that's being pinged, use gconf-editor or gconftool-2 to set /apps/acmonitor/ping_host. Set this to a blank entry to disable this feature. " |
| 09:47.42 | qwerty12 | I've got a Os2008 version, 1 sec |
| 09:47.52 | qwerty12 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19258 |
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| 09:48.05 | user__ | trying |
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| 10:08.38 | rm_you | weird |
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| 10:09.36 | rm_you | i've never had that issue... in fact, i "found" my n800 when I was doing nmap sweeps for another machine... I sshed in thinking it was my server, and it was actually my n800 that I had forgotten about for like a week in a corner :P |
| 10:09.42 | qwerty12 | hates X-Server crashes |
| 10:10.15 | qwerty12 | And I was in the process of compiling a little fix to a maemo annoyance I hate ;) |
| 10:10.22 | rm_you | >_> |
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| 10:21.14 | qwerty12 | And I have to reflash. Serves me right for replacing diablo components with ones built from chinook source :/ |
| 10:21.58 | qwerty12 | Oh, wait, no I don't :) |
| 10:21.59 | qwerty12 | w00t :) |
| 10:22.03 | rm_you | lol |
| 10:24.02 | qwerty12 | Hehe, that didn't work well. I changed the value for when the arrow shows up so you can have more statusbar applets and now, it doesn't show, but so don't the rest of my applets :p |
| 10:24.16 | rm_you | lol |
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| 10:24.27 | rm_you | do you use adv-backlight? |
| 10:24.54 | qwerty12 | I usually do but because I've reflashed recently, I'm taking my time getting my old apps back :) |
| 10:25.10 | rm_you | well, that one helps slightly :P |
| 10:25.39 | qwerty12 | Hehe, yeah, I plan on reinstalling it soon |
| 10:25.54 | qwerty12 | I think I need to :P |
| 10:28.34 | rm_you | I plan on developing for it soon :P |
| 10:28.34 | rm_you | lol |
| 10:28.39 | rm_you | keeps putting it off |
| 10:29.09 | qwerty12 | heh :) |
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| 10:33.39 | admin_ | is there any way to enable javascript in the browser on n770? |
| 10:34.31 | admin_ | I coudln't change my routers settings, as button clicking was javascript |
| 10:35.47 | admin_ | oh, I got it in Tools |
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| 10:38.16 | Gatestone | This is on CHINOOK-x86: I apt-got hello-world-app. I cun run-standalone it, but how do I get the Application manager to see it. |
| 10:38.26 | Gatestone | ? |
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| 10:48.20 | eocanha | Gatestone: I don't know if this hint can be useful, but... |
| 10:48.46 | eocanha | not all the packages are shown in appmanager in "normal mode", only selected ones |
| 10:49.18 | eocanha | If you want to see them all, you have to put appmanager into "red pill mode" (just search in Google about that) |
| 10:50.10 | eocanha | Moreover, I think that not every deb package is installed from appmanager. It has to belong to a specific package group |
| 10:50.29 | Gatestone | Even dpkg calls hello-world-app an "example for the application installer". |
| 10:50.39 | eocanha | Section: user/games |
| 10:50.58 | eocanha | ah, ok, understood |
| 10:51.05 | Gatestone | What about the "section"? |
| 10:51.15 | eocanha | Then I don't know the cause of your problem |
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| 10:51.40 | eocanha | just check that example isn't from an old SDK |
| 10:52.46 | eocanha | I'd recommend you to download the sources of any other free project for Maemo and compare the two debian/control files |
| 10:53.00 | eocanha | Because the key is just that file, I think |
| 10:55.09 | Gatestone | ok. The red pill mode instruction talk about something, which clearly is not applicable to my sbox + MAEMO 4 SDK |
| 10:55.29 | qwerty12 | Why is it not applicable? |
| 10:55.36 | Gatestone | Like Tools/Application catalogue menu, which I don't have |
| 10:55.39 | eocanha | hmmm... you're talking about the SDK... |
| 10:55.55 | Gatestone | I have Settings / Application manager |
| 10:56.11 | Gatestone | And there is no New button that red pill mode talks about |
| 10:56.17 | qwerty12 | You can set red pill mode another way, wait a sec |
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| 10:56.37 | eocanha | I've experienced that, after installing a new app in the SDK, it doesn't shows in the menus. Just restart the scratchbox. |
| 10:56.54 | Gatestone | I did that |
| 10:56.58 | eocanha | It'll work fine in the real device. It has better setting change detection. |
| 10:57.04 | Gatestone | I see. |
| 10:57.29 | eocanha | Then I don't know. Maybe the hello-world-app is only meant to be run in red pill mode, I don't know |
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| 11:00.21 | Gatestone | Note that every time I start Application manager it says "operation failed" and show no apps installed, although the SDK as installed by the tutorial at maemo.org comes with a contact list as the (only) app. |
| 11:02.33 | Gatestone | (my third time I use MAEMO or scratchbox, and I don't have the device, so bear with a newbie...= |
| 11:03.07 | herwood | I'm sorry for repeating this, but I'm still looking for help in using drag and drop in maemo. If there's anyone who has used it successfully, please give me a hand. |
| 11:03.29 | mgedmin | Gatestone: does the log say anything? |
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| 11:14.08 | keesj | hi |
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| 11:16.44 | Dead_K_n810 | sb sucks too much !!!!!!! |
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| 11:21.58 | mgedmin | hey, what's the policy for updating https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/100Days ? |
| 11:22.07 | mgedmin | can I just stick my idea in the middle, or should I ask for some consensus? |
| 11:22.48 | keesj | :p. we need an action plan |
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| 11:23.29 | keesj | I would say a brainstorm |
| 11:24.59 | keesj | I guess that putting it on the wiki is not such a good idea. we want to disccuss stuff. why not mail it to the developers list and sumarize it later? |
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| 11:25.25 | mgedmin | why the heck do I need to *log in* to *read* the announcement at https://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/maemo-brainstorm.html ? |
| 11:25.31 | mgedmin | because it starts with https? |
| 11:27.17 | andre____ | yeah. |
| 11:27.22 | andre____ | http:// works |
| 11:27.57 | mgedmin | "Over the next 10 days, people are invited to add their ideas, suggestions and gripes to these two pages, to help set the agenda for maemo.org." |
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| 11:32.59 | towo | pla. |
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| 11:57.31 | Anunakin | Johnx or qwerty12_N800 ? you here? |
| 11:57.46 | Anunakin | ? |
| 11:58.31 | Anunakin | I have some new and easy ideas about right and middle click emulation for debian |
| 11:58.38 | Dead_K_n810 | does someone have a vmware with scratchbox and python2.5 set ? |
| 11:58.58 | Anunakin | no |
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| 12:59.50 | user__ | Hello, I conneted to SSH to my n810, exported DISPLAY to my workstation but graphics apps are still being launched in the n810 display |
| 13:00.00 | user__ | is it possible to export X with maemo? |
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| 13:47.14 | RST38h | *yawn* |
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| 13:54.36 | Anunakin | O:-) |
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| 14:15.15 | johnx | Anunakin, hey |
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| 14:22.16 | trbs | is there a use-guide for the mapdownloader applicaiton somewhere? it does not seem to do anything except display a black screen where the maps suppost to be :( |
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| 14:46.54 | rm_you | johnx: johnx |
| 14:47.01 | johnx | hey |
| 14:47.15 | rm_you | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3199 |
| 14:47.16 | rm_you | vote :P |
| 14:47.45 | johnx | votes |
| 14:47.53 | rm_you | oh, and https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3195 for GA |
| 14:47.58 | qwerty12 | Give me my money first :P |
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| 14:48.03 | rm_you | lol |
| 14:48.12 | rm_you | qwerty12: vote :P |
| 14:48.20 | qwerty12 | Hehe, will do :D |
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| 14:48.39 | WorkingOnWise | johnx: not naggin, just checkin, have you had any time to work on Evolution yet? |
| 14:48.47 | johnx | work on it? |
| 14:48.47 | rm_you | johnx: how goes debian? |
| 14:48.54 | rm_you | back at home now so I can finally check it out again :P |
| 14:48.56 | johnx | rm_you, haven't done anything with it since beta3 |
| 14:49.00 | rm_you | ah |
| 14:49.27 | johnx | WorkingOnWise, sorry, what did you want me to do again? |
| 14:49.43 | crashanddie | johnx, we'd love you to ... *lots* of things... |
| 14:49.55 | johnx | O_o |
| 14:49.56 | qwerty12 | is still waiting for weedfs |
| 14:50.45 | WorkingOnWise | We checked the resource use and saw that Evolution was reasonable for the N8x0. You said you might chip away at getting it on the IT's |
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| 14:51.09 | johnx | uhm...ah, I said I'd run it on Debian...which I did |
| 14:51.27 | WorkingOnWise | on the IT? |
| 14:51.37 | johnx | yup, runs ok |
| 14:51.58 | johnx | doesn't fit on the screen very well |
| 14:52.31 | WorkingOnWise | cool. any chance of seeing a howto on ITT, or is it just a matter of running a Debian chroot and grabbing the debs? |
| 14:53.11 | johnx | just apt-get install evolution |
| 14:53.16 | johnx | in debian chroot |
| 14:53.19 | WorkingOnWise | I'll get the source and massage the ui so it works better.... |
| 14:53.36 | WorkingOnWise | nice. hadnt run a chroot yet... |
| 14:53.59 | rm_you | johnx: you actually mean chroot, or your beta3? |
| 14:54.09 | rm_you | do you run a chroot as well? |
| 14:54.10 | johnx | rm_you, either one of course |
| 14:54.28 | johnx | I don't use chroot but there's no reason it wasn't worth |
| 14:54.29 | WorkingOnWise | isnt the beta3 you speak of xfce? |
| 14:54.38 | WorkingOnWise | as the DE |
| 14:54.42 | johnx | yeah |
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| 14:54.51 | Anunakin | Hi johnx |
| 14:54.53 | rm_you | which one did you test it on? |
| 14:54.54 | johnx | hi |
| 14:55.00 | johnx | rm_you, beta3 |
| 14:55.27 | Anunakin | I have little ... tip on emulate right click |
| 14:55.43 | johnx | ok, shoot :) |
| 14:56.02 | WorkingOnWise | johnx: any luck with a2dp on debian? would it be worse than in hildon, or the same? maybe better (please be better :) ) |
| 14:56.17 | johnx | a little better, with the latest bluez |
| 14:56.24 | rm_you | lol, now a2dp I would love to work on |
| 14:56.29 | rm_you | that's still my favorite project |
| 14:56.32 | johnx | it's all in the bluez version though, not something debian does different |
| 14:56.33 | Anunakin | I tring use accessx and xmodmap |
| 14:56.41 | rm_you | woo: *** This bug has been confirmed by popular vote. *** |
| 14:56.50 | rm_you | just in the last minute or so :P |
| 14:57.01 | WorkingOnWise | good. I kinda thought it would work itself out with bluez as it matured.... |
| 14:57.06 | rm_you | bows to johnz |
| 14:57.12 | rm_you | err... x |
| 14:57.42 | WorkingOnWise | johnx has graduated to johnz |
| 14:57.59 | johnx | totally skipping y |
| 14:58.12 | RST38h | but there are no letters left! |
| 14:58.20 | WorkingOnWise | yup. Evolution ya know :D |
| 14:58.21 | johnx | rm_you, yeah, linking bugs to vote on IRC works wonders :D |
| 14:58.25 | qwerty12 | who is this johnx anyway? |
| 14:58.26 | rm_you | he's reached his peak :/ |
| 14:58.42 | johnx | I'll just move on from z to aa |
| 14:58.46 | RST38h | 9 8 7 6 5 ... ? |
| 14:58.48 | texel | You could say he's reached an evolutionary dead-end. =op |
| 14:58.50 | rm_you | :P |
| 14:58.54 | WorkingOnWise | nah... johndd next! |
| 14:59.03 | GAN800 | andre____, get my memo? |
| 14:59.23 | andre____ | hmm? what, where? :) |
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| 14:59.36 | GAN800 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:59.50 | Anunakin | /msg memoserv list |
| 14:59.59 | lcuk | anyone at liinuxtag logged in |
| 15:00.43 | RST38h | all right, ttg home |
| 15:01.00 | qwerty12 | Looks like work on fremantle has already started... https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/tags/gtk+/2.10.12-1~fremantle2/ |
| 15:01.10 | qwerty12 | And it's said to be "GTK+ evolved" |
| 15:01.14 | qwerty12 | Fremantle that is |
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| 15:01.45 | GAN800 | one would hope it'd already started. :P |
| 15:01.59 | qwerty12 | Hehe, true. |
| 15:02.02 | texel | Hm. GTK+ evolved, eh? |
| 15:02.07 | RST38h | Poor Elephanta, we hardly knew you... |
| 15:02.16 | qwerty12 | Yep and thre is a tagged gtk with fremantle on it |
| 15:02.20 | texel | One can only wonder what that could mean. |
| 15:02.37 | qwerty12 | I may checkout the fremantle version later |
| 15:03.13 | qwerty12 | Will fremantle be for the current series of IT's or for the n900? |
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| 15:03.51 | GAN800 | No telling, qwerty12 |
| 15:04.04 | qwerty12 | Ah, thanks |
| 15:04.10 | texel | smiles |
| 15:05.25 | n800m | hey kind of a weird question |
| 15:05.41 | n800m | what eats up more power --- dark pixels or light ones |
| 15:05.56 | texel | Hm. Presumably dark, I would think. |
| 15:06.09 | texel | Because the relaxed state of the liquid crystal is clear. |
| 15:06.15 | Khertan | i think it ll be at least for n810 wimax, so n800 and n810 too |
| 15:06.33 | texel | That being said, the most power draw is caused when you use a crosshatch pattern on the LCD. |
| 15:06.45 | n800m | not to mention the backlight |
| 15:06.46 | rm_you | n800 is supposed to be officially supported for two more revisions, right? or just one? |
| 15:06.47 | texel | (it actually goes for most LCDs) |
| 15:06.51 | n800m | which doesn't care what color pixels are |
| 15:07.11 | forge_ | Has nokia said something about supporting n800 :o |
| 15:07.18 | forge | Like really really said |
| 15:07.51 | johnx | right now n810 and n800 have the same rootfs basically |
| 15:08.05 | rm_you | they had a thing like, "we will support each device for at least two product cycles" |
| 15:08.08 | rm_you | or something like that |
| 15:08.25 | rm_you | i think n800 will go to ITOS2009? |
| 15:08.25 | johnx | if they ship the n810 wimax in october 2008 and drop it with *no software updates* I would be surprised |
| 15:08.48 | rm_you | I might get a n810 wimax when it comes out |
| 15:08.53 | rm_you | as an upgrade to this |
| 15:08.58 | Khertan | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19 ... please some votes :) |
| 15:09.01 | rm_you | i wonder if they'll do a developer program again |
| 15:09.05 | rm_you | i might actually apply |
| 15:09.07 | texel | n800m: well, I was considering the cost of the backlight as a constant. |
| 15:09.26 | texel | n800m: in which case the part that matters is the state of each LCD pixel. |
| 15:09.47 | n800m | yeah somehow i was thinking the less backlight the better :// |
| 15:10.10 | n800m | which is true but not covered by pixels abviously |
| 15:10.12 | qwerty12 | So, before I waste me time, would anyone play Spear of destiny on their tablets? |
| 15:10.16 | texel | nods |
| 15:10.19 | n800m | feels dumb |
| 15:10.23 | texel | shrugs |
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| 15:10.49 | qwerty12 | leans back |
| 15:10.52 | texel | qwerty12: as in the second original DOS Wolfenstein? Is that even OSS? |
| 15:11.22 | qwerty12 | texel, yes, the wolf engine source was released years ago and can play SOD too |
| 15:11.30 | texel | Nicer. |
| 15:11.36 | texel | s/r\././ |
| 15:12.54 | AStorm | n800m: go play Doom instead |
| 15:13.05 | AStorm | oh, wait, that was qwerty12 |
| 15:13.16 | texel | Hm... How about a proper port of d2xl? |
| 15:13.19 | n800m | well i would to but i don't have the data files |
| 15:13.22 | n800m | too* |
| 15:13.31 | qwerty12 | doesn't like current doom port |
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| 15:13.45 | AStorm | qwerty12: why? it works very nicely |
| 15:13.51 | AStorm | but that touchscreen part is weak |
| 15:14.04 | qwerty12 | I find it odd to control :/ |
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| 15:14.19 | AStorm | on n810, it's pure gold when played on keyboard |
| 15:14.19 | qwerty12 | texel, No OpenGl. Descent 2 with soft rendering exists though |
| 15:14.38 | n800m | http://ads.penny-arcade.com/delivery/ai.php?filename=rpsd02_728avail.jpg&contenttype=jpeg |
| 15:14.42 | n800m | best ad ever |
| 15:14.45 | qwerty12 | I need to get usb keyboard :/ |
| 15:15.26 | texel | qwerty12: well, that's what I was meant really -- probably should have s/d2xl/descent/ instead. |
| 15:17.00 | texel | Okay, time to get some work done. Less talk, more hack. |
| 15:17.07 | texel | goes back to work |
| 15:18.00 | lopz | hi |
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| 15:19.09 | qwerty12 | Tablets are really dodgy :/. I compiled XaoS the other day for some fractal fun and when matchbox-window-manager is running, it goes really dodgy. I stop it and the fractals work fine :/ |
| 15:20.09 | johnx | your app is prolly trying to resize it's window while matchbox is saying "no" |
| 15:20.09 | texel | qwerty12: have you tried running XaoS inside a straight matchbox on Linux? |
| 15:20.24 | texel | matchbox is pretty draconian to most X apps. |
| 15:20.29 | qwerty12 | no :( |
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| 15:20.36 | qwerty12 | I'll try in kde sometime |
| 15:20.38 | texel | And sadly, most modern GTK/X apps are broken in terms of window placement and ICCCM. |
| 15:20.50 | qwerty12 | Or hopefully, the debian crew already have a XaoS port for ARMEL |
| 15:20.52 | AStorm | yeah, we need sawfish in there with correct plugins |
| 15:21.30 | texel | uses stumpwm and has to fight with stupid Java swing apps that do all kinds of weird junk |
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| 15:24.01 | AStorm | yeah, Swing is evil |
| 15:24.22 | texel | ran Antlrworks yesterday and it consistently crashed stumpwm due to it's X insanity |
| 15:24.24 | GAN800 | planet.maemo.org timing out for anybody else? |
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| 15:24.53 | qwerty12 | yeh |
| 15:25.08 | texel | p.m.o has had all kinds of weird issues lately. |
| 15:25.32 | texel | Timing out here as well. |
| 15:25.53 | johnx | maybe it's to make us appreciate that it *used to be* somewhat stable |
| 15:26.00 | GAN800 | #3203 |
| 15:26.05 | johnx | heh |
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| 15:27.40 | GAN800 | Ari's blog is so depressing. . . . |
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| 15:28.39 | GAN800 | Why are the idiots STILL adding their stupidity to the software wishlist on the brainstorm? |
| 15:29.04 | johnx | as long as it's a wishlist, who cares? |
| 15:29.21 | GAN800 | It's a waste of time. |
| 15:29.28 | johnx | anyways, it makes people feel better and that is at least *the right place* |
| 15:29.34 | GAN800 | The wishlist shouldn't even be there. |
| 15:29.41 | johnx | it's harmless |
| 15:29.48 | johnx | I didn't even *know it existed* |
| 15:30.06 | GAN800 | They really screwed the whole page up over night. . . . |
| 15:30.26 | johnx | did the page do anything useful to begin with? |
| 15:30.44 | GAN800 | read the maemo.org annoucement. |
| 15:32.25 | johnx | ah, I see |
| 15:33.34 | n800m | it says stupid allowed |
| 15:34.16 | texel | Hrm... Is SB2 even usable for development yet? |
| 15:34.28 | qwerty12 | Cue RST38h :p |
| 15:34.34 | texel | heh |
| 15:34.45 | mgedmin | texel: yes |
| 15:34.53 | mgedmin | sudo apt-get install maemo-sdk |
| 15:34.57 | mgedmin | it's sb2 based |
| 15:35.00 | texel | Well, I just noticed that entry under "Update developer libraries" and the last time I attempted to use it I'm afraid it blew up in my face. =op |
| 15:35.03 | mgedmin | and it works on my laptop |
| 15:35.05 | texel | Good to hear it's stable now. |
| 15:35.08 | GAN800 | n800m, but not IRRELEVANT. |
| 15:35.12 | mgedmin | I don't know about *stable* |
| 15:35.16 | mgedmin | the website claims it's alpha |
| 15:35.19 | texel | nods |
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| 15:35.20 | GAN800 | it's for maemo.org |
| 15:35.28 | mgedmin | and it needs two sysctl tweaks to work on my kernel (ubuntu hardy) |
| 15:35.38 | GAN800 | Which doesn't have anything to do with bundled software. |
| 15:35.41 | mgedmin | and the postinst script PUTS STUFF IN MY /etc/sudoers |
| 15:35.45 | mgedmin | WITHOUT ASKING FOR MY PERMISSION |
| 15:35.55 | mgedmin | that's a violation of the Debian Policy |
| 15:36.04 | mgedmin | I believe |
| 15:36.17 | n800m | is itt.com nokia owned? |
| 15:36.21 | mgedmin | still, it's very close to Just Works |
| 15:36.37 | texel | Whoa. |
| 15:36.46 | texel | Okay, yeah, that sucks horribly. |
| 15:36.56 | mgedmin | (the stuff is: everyone is allowed to run ifup usb0 and ifdown usb0 without a password) |
| 15:36.57 | texel | And is absolutely a violation of the Debian policy. |
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| 15:37.11 | GAN800 | No, n800m |
| 15:37.17 | mgedmin | (it also puts ten lines into /etc/network/interfaces with HARDCODED IP ADDRESSES from the 192.168.2.x net, for usb networking) |
| 15:37.29 | mgedmin | (that would break horribly if my LAN actually used that address range) |
| 15:37.41 | m-c | hello - wondering about the Command Central software that Maemo uses to tie all the VoIP, email, and IM accounts together |
| 15:37.42 | mgedmin | I can see how they're trying to make life easier for the average user |
| 15:37.49 | mgedmin | but there's a reason for the debian policy |
| 15:38.01 | mgedmin | not breaking horribly in unexpected corner cases is also a good idea |
| 15:38.02 | texel | Wow. So... you'd expect that a /developer package/ would have a README with it saying how to do that manually. =op |
| 15:38.12 | mgedmin | hence the alpha status, I guess |
| 15:38.15 | texel | Because, well, /developers/ generally know what they're doing. =op |
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| 15:38.44 | mgedmin | or they should |
| 15:38.52 | mgedmin | heh, qualification test |
| 15:38.58 | texel | Hehehe |
| 15:39.04 | texel | "This has been an IQ test -- you just failed" =op |
| 15:39.11 | mgedmin | "if you're not persistent enough to figure out scratchbox 1 and rootstraps, then we don't want your packages anyway" |
| 15:39.54 | n800m | man 50% of those things on that wiki is website style stuff |
| 15:40.10 | n800m | you can consolidate al that crap without nokia |
| 15:40.16 | n800m | +l |
| 15:40.51 | texel | nods |
| 15:41.04 | texel | Some of the layout things aren't so easily solved though. |
| 15:41.08 | texel | As in CSS and such. |
| 15:41.34 | m-c | anyone else annoyed with the instant messaging on the NIT ? I like getting all my VoIP calls in one central location, but I do not like how it alerts me when someone IM's me "hi there" |
| 15:41.37 | texel | Too bad we can't just say "ditch midgard's search engine and replace with google completely" =op |
| 15:41.39 | n800m | it's really not that importnat tho imho |
| 15:41.44 | texel | nods |
| 15:41.48 | texel | But then, it is a wishlist. =op |
| 15:41.52 | mgedmin | m-c: I'm not annoyed because I don't use it ;-) |
| 15:42.35 | m-c | I wish there was a way to keep my Google Talk account, but prevent people from contacting me with the Instant Messaging side. |
| 15:42.41 | texel | That being said, the non-underlining of links kinda ticks me a little -- but then, that's one of my pet peeves, anyway. |
| 15:43.03 | texel | m-c: that's a limitation of Google Talk, not the NIT. |
| 15:43.09 | GAN800 | n800m, how do you figure? |
| 15:43.24 | GAN800 | We don't have access tp the styles to fix them. |
| 15:43.40 | rm_you | mgedmin: adv-backlight adds a line to /etc/sudoers on the n8x0 >_> |
| 15:43.52 | GAN800 | it's a _maemo.org_ brainstorm, and style is most certainly that. |
| 15:43.55 | m-c | texel : but Command Center provides only one status for all enabled accounts. |
| 15:44.01 | mgedmin | a lot of maemo packages are made by people who are not familiar with debian |
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| 15:44.19 | rm_you | I made that one, am familiar with debian, and have never heard of that rule >_> |
| 15:44.23 | rm_you | though I see the point for it |
| 15:44.24 | texel | m-c: oh. I misunderstood -- thought you were using something else. |
| 15:44.41 | mgedmin | once read the debian policy manual from cover to cover, out of interest |
| 15:44.45 | mgedmin | once had oodles of free time |
| 15:44.56 | texel | mgedmin: were you chased by shoggoths for the rest of your days? |
| 15:45.02 | MangoFusion | good read? |
| 15:45.03 | rm_you | it just isn't possible to do it another way. should I, what, ask "are you sure?" in postinst and if they say no, remove the package you just installed? |
| 15:45.10 | mgedmin | MangoFusion: actually, yes |
| 15:45.17 | rm_you | that makes even less sense :/ |
| 15:45.53 | MangoFusion | im's on an IT are quite annoying i find |
| 15:46.00 | mgedmin | rm_you: I think The Debian Way would have you patch the base package (sudo in this case) to parse all text files under /etc/sudoers.d/, and then have your package just install a new conffile there |
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| 15:46.19 | mgedmin | scripts modifying configuration files are error-prone |
| 15:46.20 | MangoFusion | e.g. takes far too long to open the chat window |
| 15:46.21 | rm_you | <_< |
| 15:46.25 | mgedmin | and may conflict with the sysadmin's wishes |
| 15:46.40 | mgedmin | I don't know how much of that is applicable to the single-user tablets |
| 15:46.51 | texel | mgedmin: pretty applicable, actually. |
| 15:46.58 | rm_you | well, i tried to make my sudoers line VERY specific, and my script is pretty braindead, so i don't see it messing up |
| 15:47.02 | mgedmin | but having a broken /etc/sudoers would require a complete OS reflash to fix |
| 15:47.05 | Khertan | bye |
| 15:47.25 | texel | I recently did a dist-upgrade which broke root for me on my N810 because I had it set to give me root in /etc/sudoers and another package came along and clobbered it. |
| 15:47.26 | johnx | or some real creativity... |
| 15:47.38 | mgedmin | what would happen if I did 'echo BLABLABLA >> /etc/sudoers', and there wasn't enough disk space for the full line? |
| 15:47.39 | rm_you | you can just ssh, no? |
| 15:47.43 | rm_you | ssh root@localhost |
| 15:47.45 | rm_you | done |
| 15:47.49 | texel | rm_you: not on mine. I disabled root logins. |
| 15:47.55 | mgedmin | rm_you: not on mine either |
| 15:47.57 | Khertan | su |
| 15:47.57 | rm_you | texel: how do you ssh in? |
| 15:48.00 | mgedmin | I added a line to /etc/sudoers |
| 15:48.03 | texel | rm_you: I don't. |
| 15:48.06 | rm_you | >_> |
| 15:48.08 | mgedmin | I would be unhappy if a package went and removed it |
| 15:48.14 | rm_you | THAT is way more broken >_> |
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| 15:48.16 | texel | rm_you: Unless I need to, in which case I use ssh key authentication for user. |
| 15:48.24 | rm_you | ah. |
| 15:48.29 | texel | Which means I start ssh manually. |
| 15:48.35 | texel | Rather than having it start on bootup. |
| 15:48.35 | Khertan | have a good week end ... |
| 15:48.45 | texel | rm_you: not more broken -- more secure. |
| 15:48.52 | mgedmin | loves the ability to just ssh to his tablet at any time |
| 15:48.59 | mgedmin | that's the only reason I have it autoconnect to WLAN |
| 15:49.01 | texel | SSH is a little too insecure at the moment. O.o |
| 15:49.03 | rm_you | security at the cost of usability is lame :/ |
| 15:49.16 | texel | rm_you: I don't need ssh for anything unless something screwball is happing on the IT. |
| 15:49.18 | mgedmin | don't know about lame, but it usually loses |
| 15:49.27 | texel | In general usage, nothing requires it for me. |
| 15:49.37 | mgedmin | copying clipboard contents ;) |
| 15:49.43 | rm_you | i use my device from SSH more than I poke at it manually >_> |
| 15:49.47 | texel | Heh |
| 15:49.51 | mgedmin | xsel | ssh tablet 'xsel -b --display :0' |
| 15:50.02 | texel | But then, I need my device to be a bit more secure than usual. |
| 15:50.11 | texel | It contains data that shouldn't be accessable to anybody but me. |
| 15:50.22 | mgedmin | is it encrypted? |
| 15:50.25 | texel | Yep. |
| 15:50.28 | mgedmin | good |
| 15:50.34 | texel | But encryption doesn't preclude offline attach. |
| 15:50.37 | texel | s/attach/attack/ |
| 15:50.40 | rm_you | did OS2008 suffer from the debian ssh key fiasco? |
| 15:50.44 | mgedmin | no |
| 15:50.46 | texel | rm_you: thankfully no. |
| 15:50.47 | mgedmin | iirc |
| 15:50.50 | rm_you | lol |
| 15:50.55 | mgedmin | I want avahi on the tablet |
| 15:51.08 | mgedmin | when I'm in a foreign WLAN, there's no internal DNS server giving a name to my tablet |
| 15:51.09 | n800m | whoa i thought i was dyslexic for a second |
| 15:51.18 | n800m | nm |
| 15:51.24 | mgedmin | I want to just "ssh my-tablet.local" |
| 15:51.31 | mgedmin | without figuring out the IP every time |
| 15:51.47 | mgedmin | where's the wishlist for diablo/fremantle/harmattan? |
| 15:51.52 | rm_you | that would be nice, yes |
| 15:51.58 | johnx | I thought avahi was on there... |
| 15:52.14 | mgedmin | canola used to depend on it |
| 15:52.18 | johnx | it is, just not cofigured I guess |
| 15:52.25 | mgedmin | I should look at it perhaps |
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| 15:52.36 | johnx | that and dbus-scripts might do what you want |
| 15:55.41 | gpd | I'm trying to use my Nokia E51 as an HSPDA modem on my Mac via USB. Everything is fine - I have APN, username and Password for my O2 network and use *99# as telephone number - where do I put in the APN on OSX config box!? [this is a long shot!] |
| 15:55.59 | gpd | Of course it works perfectly to the N800! |
| 15:56.04 | GAN800 | Try #macosx? |
| 15:56.29 | gpd | yeah - i know - but wrth a shot on here - bright channel :) |
| 15:58.40 | qwerty12 | Who else except for GAN800 uses a mac? for that matter, who *wants* to use one if they can avoid it? :p |
| 15:59.19 | johnx | qwerty12, it's a perfectly nice *BSD machine :shrugs: |
| 15:59.26 | johnx | better than windows at any rate |
| 15:59.38 | qwerty12 | doesn't use windows |
| 15:59.46 | qwerty12 | I'm only joking anyway :) |
| 15:59.55 | qwerty12 | It's iPhones that I think are shit |
| 16:00.11 | johnx | doesn't mind those either |
| 16:00.18 | johnx | too closed for my tastes |
| 16:00.32 | johnx | I'd suggest one to non-geek, power users though |
| 16:01.34 | texel | johnx: I use a MacBook Pro... ...running Linux only. =op |
| 16:01.59 | johnx | see the funny thing is when I had a macbook for work I actually tried linux on it and kinda hated it |
| 16:02.26 | qwerty12 | :O |
| 16:02.28 | texel | Mm. Well, the Santa Rosa cores actually perform pretty well now under Ubuntu Hardy. |
| 16:02.30 | johnx | the lack of at least 2 mouse buttons is quite painful when using linux |
| 16:02.34 | qwerty12 | You can never hate linux on anything! |
| 16:02.54 | johnx | qwerty12, :P |
| 16:02.58 | texel | johnx: even with two- and three- finger tapping on the synaptics? |
| 16:03.07 | qwerty12 | really should learn to read better, i've repacked the same deb 5 times now :/ |
| 16:03.12 | johnx | I prefer hardware buttons |
| 16:03.15 | texel | Mm. |
| 16:03.18 | johnx | guess I'm weird like that |
| 16:03.21 | texel | I can understand that. =o) |
| 16:03.38 | johnx | either way, I actually like osx just fine for a laptop |
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| 16:04.05 | johnx | when I get a new notebook it's gonna be a thinkpad w/ linux or a macbook w/ osx |
| 16:04.18 | texel | Frankly, when using the MBP at my desk, I use a ThinkPad USB keyboard with a trackpoint. =op |
| 16:04.26 | johnx | but having an n800 makes that purchase a lot less urgent :) |
| 16:04.33 | texel | Mm. Actually, last I read, Linux works quite nicely on the X300. |
| 16:04.50 | texel | better than even the T43. |
| 16:05.05 | johnx | yeah, I'm looking hungrily at the plain old X lineup |
| 16:05.20 | texel | If I had the cash, I'd buy one in an instant. |
| 16:05.31 | texel | The $1k SSD is killing it for me, though. |
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| 16:06.01 | rm_you | Yeah, those Lenovo machines are tasty... |
| 16:06.13 | rm_you | Lenovo / IBM |
| 16:06.30 | n800m | i'm on macbook pro, it's pretty sweet hardware |
| 16:06.47 | n800m | haven't had a dvd/cd burned yet that didn't work in months |
| 16:07.07 | rm_you | that's called having a quality DVD burner :P |
| 16:07.25 | johnx | ah, optical disks! how quaint! |
| 16:07.30 | MangoFusion | mb pro here. osx. loving it |
| 16:07.33 | rm_you | I've noted the same in Windoze, using Nero and a highly rated burner :P |
| 16:07.40 | rm_you | not to push windoze >_> |
| 16:07.40 | n800m | i do video work so it's a must |
| 16:07.48 | n800m | i'm in windows right now, on it |
| 16:07.52 | n800m | works well that way too |
| 16:08.08 | n800m | i ran vmware fusion for awhile but it's to limiting |
| 16:08.12 | rm_you | yeah, the hardware in Macs is always fairly nice |
| 16:08.16 | rm_you | they don't go low-end >_> |
| 16:08.22 | texel | Yeah. |
| 16:08.27 | Navi | OPTICAL DISKS? |
| 16:08.29 | texel | Just wish they wouldn't use such closed hardware, though. |
| 16:08.36 | Navi | Those exist? I thought they were just a myth. |
| 16:08.43 | johnx | yeah, apple does a great job stamping that apple logo on those quanta laptops... |
| 16:08.46 | n800m | techno snobs |
| 16:09.15 | n800m | i'm still amazed by sd cards honestly |
| 16:09.20 | rm_you | If I bought a new laptop, I would have to go with the X series Tablets >_> |
| 16:09.31 | texel | usually always needs an optical disk for some reason. |
| 16:09.34 | johnx | n800m, I know what you mean. micro sd cards make my mind hurt O_o |
| 16:09.40 | n800m | 16 gb in the palm of my hand |
| 16:09.48 | rm_you | 32 now! |
| 16:09.54 | n800m | first time i got a 8 Gb one i reminisced about 1.44 floppies |
| 16:09.58 | texel | rm_you: Good luck paying for it! =op |
| 16:10.03 | rm_you | lol |
| 16:10.04 | MangoFusion | watch you don't loose it ;) |
| 16:10.10 | texel | That, too. |
| 16:10.13 | n800m | hehe yeah |
| 16:10.22 | rm_you | Southwest Airlines lost one of my bags... with about $3000 of clothes in it >_> |
| 16:10.31 | rm_you | anyway, gonna spend about $1500 replacing my clothes |
| 16:10.34 | n800m | where the hell do you shop for clothes |
| 16:10.34 | texel | Ow. |
| 16:10.42 | rm_you | and the rest on a hard drive upgrade for my server :P |
| 16:10.52 | johnx | rm_you, was that your space suit or your tux? |
| 16:10.56 | Navi | Expensive clothing there. |
| 16:10.59 | n800m | hehe |
| 16:10.59 | texel | rm_you: Do those clothes include a sewn-in wearable? |
| 16:11.02 | rm_you | It's called "almost every shirt and pair of pants I own" |
| 16:11.03 | n800m | space suit |
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| 16:11.15 | johnx | rm_you, ah, sadness :( |
| 16:11.19 | rm_you | and it wasn't a small bag |
| 16:11.20 | n800m | ouch |
| 16:11.24 | Navi | Every shirt and pair of pants I wear don't add up to 3k |
| 16:11.26 | rm_you | johnx, you've seen my duffels :P |
| 16:12.08 | johnx | rm_you, yup...I *&$%ing dragged one from the airport once |
| 16:12.25 | Navi | johnx, timey's traveling the world |
| 16:12.38 | Navi | I told him to break your door down and steal your cheerios |
| 16:12.51 | johnx | Navi, I heard, but I have no cheerios |
| 16:12.57 | Navi | snaps |
| 16:13.06 | rm_you | he has rice! lots of rice! :P |
| 16:13.09 | johnx | he'd have to bring them first then steal them |
| 16:13.17 | Navi | That works |
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| 16:13.29 | texel | johnx: but then, that wouldn't be stealing... =op |
| 16:13.39 | johnx | well he can say it's a gift |
| 16:13.42 | johnx | then take them back |
| 16:13.44 | texel | So maybe if he /gave them/ to you, and then took it... =op |
| 16:13.59 | texel | (not sure why I used italics there O.o) |
| 16:14.06 | johnx | I'll turn a blind eye as long as he leaves a box of frosted flakes |
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| 16:16.10 | Navi | texel, only italic to those that use your IRC client. |
| 16:16.18 | texel | heh |
| 16:16.21 | Navi | or that suppor the /italicness of your slashes/ |
| 16:16.30 | Navi | s/por/port/ |
| 16:16.34 | texel | Or use the same mental parser. =op |
| 16:17.09 | GAN800 | steals texel's giant nose. |
| 16:17.18 | texel | Oh noes! O.o |
| 16:17.35 | GAN800 | runs away |
| 16:17.43 | texel | giggles |
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| 16:21.21 | n800m | can you do wildcard search in OS X? |
| 16:21.25 | n800m | like *.avi |
| 16:21.36 | n800m | or is it diferent from win |
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| 16:21.41 | Navi | Try it out :P |
| 16:21.48 | n800m | i don't have os x up atm |
| 16:22.41 | rm_you | errr, does oSX include locate? |
| 16:22.45 | johnx | n800m, find /Volumes/your-drive -name "*foo*" |
| 16:22.55 | rm_you | locate -i .avi |
| 16:22.56 | rm_you | :P |
| 16:23.01 | Navi | :P |
| 16:23.49 | n800m | it's for somebody more noobish than me, the terminal wil confuse her |
| 16:24.00 | n800m | found a 3rd party thingy tho |
| 16:38.38 | GAN800 | Or just use Spotlight |
| 16:39.02 | GAN800 | No 3rd party needed. . . . |
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| 16:41.58 | n800mX | i think the wireless reception is better in OS x on the macbok pro than it is in windows |
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| 16:42.06 | n800mX | weird |
| 16:42.13 | n800mX | same hardware |
| 16:43.01 | qwerty12 | Can you search maemo-developers? Someone posted boost libs and I can't find the link :/ |
| 16:47.04 | qwerty12 | Never mind, figured how to do it |
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| 16:58.59 | Anunakin | Any have gcc-4.x armel packages for maemo OS2008 ? |
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| 17:05.25 | GAN800 | n800m, Spotlight. |
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| 17:28.12 | n800m | http://www.devon-technologies.com/products/freeware/ better than spotlight |
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| 17:29.23 | GAN8001 | Not |
| 17:29.45 | GAN8001 | Unless you're running on Tiger. |
| 17:29.57 | n800m | leopard |
| 17:30.10 | n800m | you're kinda of a nazi about your opinions aren't you :P |
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| 17:31.00 | GAN8001 | I've got a lot of experience to back most of them up. :) |
| 17:31.25 | n800m | well there are needs and needs |
| 17:31.37 | n800m | i doubt anypne's experience encompasses all of those |
| 17:31.46 | n800m | everyone's go some angle |
| 17:31.49 | n800m | +t |
| 17:32.52 | johnx | has no anglets |
| 17:32.52 | penguinbait | rather be smokin |
| 17:33.08 | penguinbait | he's 15, gees kids these days |
| 17:34.32 | GAN8001 | I love this: "Today we have too many channels (ITT, maemo.org...). Maybe have some more focus like: maemo.org for developers and ITT for end users" |
| 17:34.46 | GAN8001 | 2 channels is too many? |
| 17:34.50 | johnx | yeah |
| 17:34.54 | johnx | we need to slim it down to 2 |
| 17:36.17 | RST38h | GAN: Who is this bright mind? |
| 17:36.23 | RST38h | This visionary? |
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| 17:38.40 | GAN8001 | RST38h, I think it's an IP address. |
| 17:38.52 | GAN8001 | https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/100Days#Focus_developers_and_users_on_the_right_channels |
| 17:39.59 | GAN8001 | Nope, it's someone known as "morphbr". |
| 17:42.12 | GAN8001 | Ugh, theses people fail at mediawiki |
| 17:42.58 | penguinbait | wiki's are like chat rooms, any maroon can type their miguided opinion's |
| 17:43.09 | penguinbait | <------ like me |
| 17:43.58 | GAN8001 | penguinbait, I'd rather have your opinions than these jokers. :P |
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| 17:44.44 | GAN8001 | Who can I blame for adding the 100Days article without a space in it. . . . |
| 17:45.03 | GAN8001 | Quim1 |
| 17:46.15 | GAN8001 | s/1/!/ |
| 17:46.20 | RST38h | GAN: When I see this document I can't stop thinking of Sturgeon's law |
| 17:47.21 | penguinbait | Sturgeon's Law is the name given to two different adages derived from quotes by science fiction author Theodore Sturgeon. The first is "Nothing is always absolutely so", while the second, and more famous, of these adages is: "Ninety percent of everything is crap." |
| 17:47.33 | RST38h | 2nd one. |
| 17:47.43 | penguinbait | of cource I pulled this from wikipedia, so its probably 90% crap :) |
| 17:47.48 | GAN8001 | Ha |
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| 17:47.59 | GAN8001 | RST38h, make it not suck. :p |
| 17:48.02 | GAN8001 | Go on |
| 17:48.04 | GAN8001 | I dare yah |
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| 17:48.38 | RST38h | GAN: As soon as I oass the baby to my wife =) |
| 17:48.46 | RST38h | s/oass/pass |
| 17:49.01 | GAN8001 | s/oass/toss/ :P |
| 17:49.06 | GAN8001 | No tossing babies! |
| 17:50.15 | penguinbait | toss em if you like, just not to me :) |
| 17:51.40 | GAN8001 | I wish Reggie hadn't stuck it on the frontpage of itT. |
| 17:52.00 | GAN8001 | The result of that? A bunch of stupid hardware and software requests that have zero to do with _maemo.org_ |
| 17:52.52 | penguinbait | http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=4791847 |
| 17:52.57 | penguinbait | baby drop |
| 17:53.19 | penguinbait | its only 50 feet |
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| 17:59.54 | GAN8001 | If anybody is looking hard at a HAVA, let me know and I might be able to set up a demo for you. |
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| 18:12.13 | RST38h | Back |
| 18:12.28 | RST38h | GAN: Can I just give you a list of suggestions? |
| 18:12.57 | RST38h | does not really know where to insert stuff on that wiki page - its signa/noise ratio is a way too high |
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| 18:17.51 | WorkingOnWise | is it safe to say the compare Samsung S5L8900 in the iPhone would eat the N8x0's cpu for lunch? Just trying to get a feel for how well Android would do in the N8x0. I've only seen in on the iPhone, where it is super responsive. Of course, part of that is the full 3d functionality the iPhone has over the N8x0 |
| 18:18.21 | GAN8001 | RST38h, just hit the discussion page |
| 18:18.26 | GAN8001 | I'll parse it out from there. |
| 18:18.33 | RST38h | WOW: a) No. b) Android already works on N8x0 |
| 18:19.20 | summatusmentis | You've seen android on the iPhone? |
| 18:19.38 | GAN8001 | summatusmentis, you get NOLO and initfs flashed? |
| 18:19.40 | RST38h | GAN: ok |
| 18:20.02 | RST38h | Where do I leave comments in discussion? |
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| 18:20.27 | summatusmentis | GAN8001: I ended up not doing it, because I had already started copying root to sd |
| 18:20.55 | GAN8001 | RST38h, login, go to the appropriate page click discussion up top, then click the little + tab to add a new topic. |
| 18:21.13 | GAN8001 | summatusmentis, still need to flash initfs and NOLO. |
| 18:21.21 | summatusmentis | why? |
| 18:21.29 | summatusmentis | what benefit does it get me? |
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| 18:21.58 | GAN8001 | Your NOLO version is old, your initfs version is for an N800. :P |
| 18:22.49 | summatusmentis | but does it matter that much? like, does an old NOLO hurt anything? |
| 18:23.22 | GAN8001 | Not that I KNOW of |
| 18:23.26 | GAN8001 | but I can't guarantee it |
| 18:24.26 | RST38h | Oh you have to login |
| 18:25.04 | summatusmentis | GAN8001: hmm, I'll maybe do it this evening |
| 18:28.38 | summatusmentis | GAN8001: if I flash NOLO and a new initfs, I'm gonna have to find fanoush's initfs again, and re-flash that |
| 18:28.50 | penguinbait | yes summ |
| 18:29.26 | rafl | is there a summary page with all the useful information to upgrade to diablo? known issues, workarounds, etc. I'm kinda too lame to read >60 pages in the thread at http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17727 |
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| 18:30.33 | summatusmentis | penguinbait: thanks for all your help yesterday, btw |
| 18:31.00 | GAN800 | No, rafl |
| 18:31.02 | WorkingOnWise | RST38h: the iPhone and N8x0 cpu's are comparable even tho there is a 200Mhz diff between them? I know Mhz does not = performance, but 200 is a pretty big diff, which is why I was asking. As for working on the N8x0, well, I see that it runs, but that might be a long way from working in the wild :) |
| 18:31.19 | GAN800 | Read the thread. ;) You can skip most of the first 30 pages. |
| 18:31.43 | GAN800 | WorkingOnWise, iPhone runs at 402MHz |
| 18:32.40 | WorkingOnWise | GAN800 the specs I found said 620 |
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| 18:33.29 | GAN800 | The CPU is CAPABLE of that, but for battery life reasons it's underclocked (much like the N800 used to be). |
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| 18:34.23 | WorkingOnWise | sneaky ba#@$rds! I saw that 620 in 3 places! So much for truth in advertising huh? |
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| 18:34.49 | rafl | GAN800: have you done it? if so: do you happen to be able to tell me if there's anything else one would need to take care of other than changing the catalogues and upgrading? |
| 18:34.52 | WorkingOnWise | thanks. With that, the N8x0 is easy match for that silly brick |
| 18:34.54 | GAN800 | Apple doesn't advertise the CPU frequency. |
| 18:35.08 | GAN800 | They don't advertise the specs at all. |
| 18:35.12 | summatusmentis | WorkingOnWise: where'd you see those specs? On the apple website? |
| 18:35.14 | summatusmentis | oh, nvm |
| 18:35.30 | GAN800 | Gettinf the password, rafl |
| 18:35.38 | WorkingOnWise | nope, but several other sites do. They must be going on the cpu's capability and not the devices real configuration. |
| 18:35.42 | GAN800 | Yes, I'm running Diablo. |
| 18:35.53 | rafl | GAN800: well, that was the easy part, i guess. |
| 18:36.02 | WorkingOnWise | summatusmentis: http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdamaster&posted=1&cpu=a8900 |
| 18:37.01 | rafl | GAN800: so you didn't do anything except for changing the repos to diablo and upgrade? i've seen people in here talking about modified initfs', but unfortunately i didn't pay too much attention. something like that isn't necessary? |
| 18:37.13 | GAN800 | Not really |
| 18:37.21 | qwerty12_N800 | initfs modification isn't necessary |
| 18:37.23 | GAN800 | Just don't flash the Diablo initfs |
| 18:37.33 | qwerty12_N800 | you cant |
| 18:37.37 | GAN800 | I have kernel, but not initfs |
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| 18:37.51 | rafl | allright then. thanks. |
| 18:38.36 | qwerty12_N800 | Don't flash the kernel though if you are using n810 though. |
| 18:39.25 | rafl | that's not something that'll happen automatically when upgrading via apt, is it? |
| 18:39.55 | qwerty12_N800 | no because the initfs stops flash-and-rebooyt |
| 18:40.26 | rafl | ok! |
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| 18:40.30 | qwerty12_N800 | but subsequent upgrades using ssu do flash kernel |
| 18:40.56 | rafl | but they don't modify the initfs, do they? |
| 18:41.02 | qwerty12_N800 | no |
| 18:41.18 | rafl | so I guess it will be easy to unbrick if anything happens. |
| 18:41.36 | qwerty12_N800 | usually initfs would be flashed but it's too big atm |
| 18:42.23 | RST38h | GAN: Done |
| 18:42.29 | RST38h | GAN: https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/Talk:100Days#Mostly_Technical_Suggestions |
| 18:45.11 | n800m | nice |
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| 18:47.44 | GAN800 | RST38h, I'll go over it in a bit. Thanks! |
| 18:48.21 | gnuton | Hi there |
| 18:51.45 | summatusmentis | has anyone tried getting OpenMoko running on the N8x0 tablets? |
| 18:52.42 | x_madbot | anyone know how to install packages on sb2? |
| 18:53.49 | Navi | install packages? |
| 18:56.16 | x_madbot | Navi: install deb packages inside a maemo rootstrap |
| 18:59.30 | Navi | Never used sb2. apt-get? |
| 18:59.30 | x_madbot | Navi: if I can update the package list with "apt-get update", I should be able to install, don't you? :) |
| 18:59.40 | rafl | i wonder why apt-get update says 'UNAUTHORIZED' for the diablo updates repo after adjusting the uri in the sources list to contain the username and password that works well with my browser and wget⦠|
| 19:00.29 | n800m | i just learned an important lesson: hitting things CAN make them work |
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| 19:01.37 | summatusmentis | where do I find the echowb theme package? |
| 19:05.35 | penguinbait | n800m = The Fonz |
| 19:05.56 | penguinbait | guess I am slow |
| 19:06.24 | penguinbait | <--- = potsy |
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| 19:07.34 | summatusmentis | well, found echowb, does anyone have gnumeric running? |
| 19:08.18 | GAN8001 | rafl, apt does the password a certain way, I believe. |
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| 19:08.41 | n800m | jean peer reset me |
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| 19:09.54 | penguinbait | http://www.ericasp.com/UserFiles/Image/Fonz.jpg |
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| 19:10.41 | n800m | hehe |
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| 19:12.53 | rafl | GAN8001: typo, sorry. |
| 19:13.35 | n800m | http://helmer.sfe.se/ |
| 19:15.42 | rafl | wow⦠and i spend hundreds of euros on 19" racks :-) |
| 19:15.45 | GAN8001 | rafl, just make sure you have enough room if you're upgrading on the flash. |
| 19:18.12 | rafl | GAN8001: i guess i won't do that given how slow that storage is. |
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| 19:21.29 | GAN8001 | I symlinked the cache to mmc1 and just made sure I had about 100MB free. |
| 19:21.42 | GAN8001 | The documentation PDFs are what'll kill you. |
| 19:22.55 | n800m | <mute> my ds pwn'd your n800 again |
| 19:22.55 | n800m | :/ |
| 19:23.33 | GAN8001 | Get back to me when DS browses YouTube. :p |
| 19:23.33 | rafl | GAN8001: 100mb just for the cache and some temporary space for unpacking or 100mb additional to the downloaded packages? |
| 19:23.49 | GAN8001 | It was something like 70MB for the packages. |
| 19:24.04 | GAN8001 | Just symlink the cache on one of the cards |
| 19:24.25 | GAN8001 | Otherwise it'll just be "yeah, right, good luck with that." :P |
| 19:25.01 | GAN8001 | It'd be something like 140MB with cache and packages. |
| 19:26.17 | GAN800 | still hasn't gotten the guts to ty 21-4 |
| 19:26.25 | GAN800 | s/ty/try/ |
| 19:28.14 | rafl | now what's that? |
| 19:28.28 | GAN800 | Latest Diablo image. |
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| 19:28.39 | rafl | oh, there's an image available already? |
| 19:28.48 | GAN800 | I'm still on 20-4 |
| 19:28.57 | GAN800 | s/image/release/ |
| 19:29.13 | term-sig | it's for 800 or 810 ? |
| 19:29.18 | GAN800 | Both. |
| 19:29.23 | GAN800 | it's SSU |
| 19:29.38 | rafl | i'm instaling what cataloge.tableteer.nokia.com/diablo or whatever it's called has currently. |
| 19:29.43 | rafl | will that be 21-4? |
| 19:29.58 | GAN800 | Yes. |
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| 19:31.21 | n800m | penguinbait - on your KDE install, is there QT? does sound work? |
| 19:31.47 | rafl | GAN8001: i'll net you know how it works out. |
| 19:32.00 | summatusmentis | n800m: sound works |
| 19:32.08 | summatusmentis | I don't know about QT |
| 19:32.26 | n800m | are you running it? |
| 19:32.37 | summatusmentis | I installed it last night, yeah |
| 19:33.10 | n800m | i know it's slow, but other than that how do you feel about it? |
| 19:33.12 | n800m | keeping it? |
| 19:34.05 | summatusmentis | meh... it's kinda cool, but the slowness makes it sort of unusable for me |
| 19:34.20 | summatusmentis | I'll keep it for a while, keep playing with it |
| 19:35.02 | rafl | GAN8001: also apt is telling me that it wants to remove almost 900 packages to install 100 new ones and upgrade ~300. is that what's expected? |
| 19:35.11 | n800m | would you consider installing a sound app to see if it's capable? |
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| 19:38.04 | GAN800 | Yes, rafl |
| 19:38.19 | GAN800 | Mostly l10n stuff |
| 19:38.41 | GAN800 | They moved from one l10n per language per app to one per app. |
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| 19:39.05 | nn800n | :/ |
| 19:39.20 | nn800n | summatusmentis would you consider installing a sound app to see if it's capable? |
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| 19:39.35 | summatusmentis | nn800n: what do you mean? what sort of sound app? |
| 19:39.48 | summatusmentis | it makes the kde login noise |
| 19:40.14 | nn800n | not a player, something off kde-apps for music making |
| 19:40.55 | summatusmentis | erm... I'm not sure how much space I have, hold on |
| 19:41.11 | summatusmentis | is it bigger than 300M? |
| 19:41.31 | nn800n | looking for a small one |
| 19:42.00 | nn800n | hm i guess most are compiled for x86 tho |
| 19:45.25 | GAN8001 | RST38h, my initial reaction to your software aggregation website was negative (another problem-causing band-aid), but I like it as a sort of "test-bed" for ideas for the Application manager. |
| 19:45.39 | GAN8001 | Do you want to expound on that point a bit more for when I stick it on the main page? |
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| 19:49.29 | nn800n | summatusmentis thanks anyway, none of the apps i'm finding are compiled for ARM |
| 19:49.51 | summatusmentis | nn800n: sure. You could try compiling it for arm |
| 19:50.09 | nn800n | i'm not that good at that stuff |
| 19:50.41 | nn800n | i can't find my own ass once i start tinkering with xterm |
| 19:50.46 | nn800n | :/ |
| 19:50.50 | summatusmentis | learn it! |
| 19:50.54 | summatusmentis | it's good for you |
| 19:51.50 | summatusmentis | I'm loving the screen size on the n810, irssi works! |
| 19:53.34 | nn800n | it's good for you if you can afford the time :/ |
| 19:53.57 | summatusmentis | well, you just need to stop working :) |
| 19:55.12 | GAN8001 | is checking his IMs through VNC from the N800. |
| 19:55.15 | nn800n | hehe |
| 19:55.16 | GAN8001 | Fun stuff. |
| 19:55.35 | summatusmentis | GAN8001: why not just run IM on the n800? |
| 19:55.42 | GAN8001 | I do |
| 19:55.49 | GAN8001 | But it's a different account on the desktop |
| 19:55.58 | summatusmentis | ah. |
| 19:56.09 | GAN8001 | and I forgot to set an away message before I went out of town, so everybody's been messaging me up there. ;) |
| 19:56.18 | summatusmentis | lol |
| 19:56.28 | GAN8001 | I suppose I could probably set something Jabber-related up to automate it all, but. . . . |
| 19:57.11 | summatusmentis | GAN8001: because of you I ordered the boxwave screen protector... :) |
| 19:58.00 | GAN8001 | If only I got a commission. ;) |
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| 19:59.51 | summatusmentis | well, that, and I was tired of using the stylus |
| 20:00.45 | GAN8001 | Yeah, I pretty much never use the stylus anymore |
| 20:01.01 | GAN8001 | Maybe if I occasionally get pissed off trying to hit a link |
| 20:01.10 | GAN8001 | but 99% of the time it's thumbs/fingers |
| 20:01.18 | summatusmentis | yeah |
| 20:02.08 | summatusmentis | I need to clean my screen before I put the protector on though... it's got finger prints on it :) |
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| 20:03.44 | GAN8001 | Hehe |
| 20:03.48 | GAN8001 | Damp cloth |
| 20:03.51 | GAN8001 | It'll come out fine. |
| 20:03.59 | summatusmentis | :) good |
| 20:04.02 | penguinbait | I just use my shirt |
| 20:04.08 | penguinbait | but I'm a slob |
| 20:04.27 | summatusmentis | that's what I've been doing, but then it builds up against the bevelled edge |
| 20:04.39 | RST38h | Applying boxwave protector to N810 is difficult like hell |
| 20:04.54 | penguinbait | grown the pinky nail out a little, you can get in there :) |
| 20:05.00 | GAN8001 | Need to do it in a clean room. |
| 20:05.13 | RST38h | almost got it but a few corners and two side spots did not stick |
| 20:05.35 | RST38h | it is exactly the size of a window in the n810 front panel |
| 20:05.57 | summatusmentis | GAN8001: any idea how to take off the front panel on the N810? is it just the two screws on the back? |
| 20:05.59 | GAN8001 | Is the N810's panel removable at all? |
| 20:06.02 | GAN8001 | lol |
| 20:06.32 | summatusmentis | oh :) |
| 20:07.51 | penguinbait | Anyone tried playing with this? (Google Gadgets for Linux 0.9.1) |
| 20:08.37 | summatusmentis | not fo linx |
| 20:09.02 | summatusmentis | linux... I tried it a little bit on linux, but I like my Word 2008 better than Google Doc |
| 20:09.47 | penguinbait | Word 2008 |
| 20:09.49 | penguinbait | ? |
| 20:10.03 | summatusmentis | yeah... on OS X |
| 20:10.07 | penguinbait | ah |
| 20:10.17 | summatusmentis | sorry, tried it a little bit on OS X |
| 20:10.19 | summatusmentis | not linux |
| 20:10.28 | summatusmentis | I can't talk today |
| 20:10.30 | GAN8001 | Looks a lot better than Word on Vista. :p |
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| 20:10.41 | GAN8001 | just uses TextEdit or LaTeX |
| 20:10.49 | penguinbait | pb hates apples |
| 20:10.53 | summatusmentis | I don't know LaTeX |
| 20:11.00 | penguinbait | I like oranges better |
| 20:11.05 | summatusmentis | <3 my MacBook |
| 20:11.20 | GAN8001 | <3 citrus fruit |
| 20:11.25 | GAN8001 | Florida oranges are the best. |
| 20:11.59 | GAN8001 | I'd kill myself if I had to use a MacBook as a primary machine. |
| 20:12.14 | GAN8001 | The palm wrest kills my wrists. |
| 20:13.08 | sjgadsby | ??? Your wrists shouldn't be rested on anything while typing. |
| 20:13.28 | GAN8001 | Ugh |
| 20:13.32 | GAN8001 | Tire my arms out |
| 20:13.39 | GAN8001 | I have wrist rests on all of my keyboards. :P |
| 20:13.51 | sjgadsby | That's bad for your wrists. |
| 20:14.03 | GAN8001 | See: http://legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/setupfeb08.jpg |
| 20:14.09 | GAN8001 | Since when? |
| 20:14.16 | GAN8001 | I don't have any wrist troubles. |
| 20:15.17 | summatusmentis | I rest one wrist :) |
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| 20:15.42 | GAN8001 | My wrists aren't at an angle if that's what you're thinking, sjgadsby. |
| 20:15.57 | sjgadsby | No, that's not it. |
| 20:16.59 | crashanddie | hmm |
| 20:17.08 | sjgadsby | From what I understand, wrist rests hold in warmth under the wrists and can cause inflammation of the tendons, etc. |
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| 20:18.31 | GAN8001 | Interesting |
| 20:18.59 | sjgadsby | If I recall correctly, open foam rests are less problematic than closed foam or gel. |
| 20:19.40 | GAN8001 | I don't experience any wrist troubles, and not having it sounds more immediately painful than having it. :P |
| 20:19.44 | penguinbait | remember the first apple |
| 20:19.46 | GAN8001 | Hi, milhouse. |
| 20:19.47 | penguinbait | http://docweb.cns.ufl.edu/update/u030504a/u030504a1.gif |
| 20:20.05 | milhouse | hi gan8001 |
| 20:20.33 | sjgadsby | I used to have wrist troubles. |
| 20:20.47 | milhouse | or should is ay General Antilles :) |
| 20:20.50 | GAN8001 | So did I, then I switched to Dvorak and added a wrist rest. :P |
| 20:20.51 | milhouse | s/is/i/ |
| 20:20.59 | milhouse | oh arse |
| 20:21.00 | nn800n | anyone know if you can customize the keybindings in FBReader? |
| 20:21.02 | GAN8001 | is all incognito. :P |
| 20:21.05 | sjgadsby | I use ergonomic, Dvorak keyboards now. And I don't MUD> |
| 20:21.07 | GAN8001 | milhouse, you get your shirt? |
| 20:21.20 | milhouse | oh yes i did - i must thank timeless for that |
| 20:21.24 | GAN8001 | nn800n, it's in prefs |
| 20:21.31 | GAN8001 | Yeah, I was wearing mine the other day |
| 20:21.34 | GAN8001 | hot swag. :D |
| 20:21.40 | milhouse | haven't had an oppurtunity to wear it yet - summer lasted about 2 days in the UK! |
| 20:21.46 | GAN8001 | Hehe |
| 20:21.51 | nn800n | i don't think the prefs one do what i want |
| 20:22.01 | GAN8001 | Let's see . . . . it's 92°F out. |
| 20:22.02 | GAN8001 | urgh |
| 20:22.12 | nn800n | wanted to replace the keys for scrolling pages from the -/+ to something else |
| 20:22.12 | GAN8001 | nn800n, it does everything |
| 20:22.18 | GAN8001 | rebinds everything |
| 20:22.19 | milhouse | rain... rain... more rain |
| 20:22.30 | GAN8001 | orientation-specific bindings, too. |
| 20:22.32 | milhouse | had flooding last night in parts of the country |
| 20:22.38 | GAN8001 | Fun |
| 20:22.41 | milhouse | no doubt we've got water shortages as well |
| 20:22.49 | GAN8001 | We're droughting it up over here. |
| 20:23.00 | GAN8001 | Getting ready for the fires. :\ |
| 20:23.09 | milhouse | :( |
| 20:23.24 | nn800n | i don't think so GAN8001 |
| 20:23.41 | milhouse | two posts from ari in two days - i don't think i can cope... too much communication!! |
| 20:23.41 | GAN8001 | http://www.gsfc.nasa.gov/gsfc/earth/pictures/modis/floridafires052501.jpg http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories/images/florida-fires012501.jpg |
| 20:23.47 | GAN8001 | Fires are fun |
| 20:23.58 | GAN8001 | milhouse, he's depressingly disconnected, isn't he? |
| 20:24.04 | GAN8001 | nn800n, then look harder. ;) |
| 20:24.06 | GAN8001 | It's there, trust me. |
| 20:24.27 | GAN8001 | has a completely custom key setup from the prefs in FBReader. |
| 20:24.53 | Navi | mmm |
| 20:24.56 | GAN8001 | We had a fire last summer |
| 20:25.02 | GAN8001 | Was up in northern Florida |
| 20:25.11 | milhouse | i've just read the ubuntu post - he's possibly right about UI's and how open source struggle to produce anything amazing, but it's a bit rich coming from someone at Nokia |
| 20:25.16 | GAN8001 | flames came 350 miles south |
| 20:25.18 | Navi | ga is an fbfreak |
| 20:25.25 | GAN8001 | s/flames/smoke/ |
| 20:25.33 | GAN8001 | Zero visibility from the smoke |
| 20:25.36 | GAN8001 | crazy stuff. |
| 20:25.37 | milhouse | to clarify that last comment: "anything amazing in terms of UIs (compared with Apple etc.) on mobiles" |
| 20:25.53 | GAN8001 | Navi, I <3 FBReader. :P |
| 20:26.06 | GAN8001 | I remember installing it on the 770 way back when and having my moth drop open. |
| 20:26.28 | Navi | s/amazing/ridiculously flashy/ |
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| 20:26.42 | GAN8001 | s/moth/mouth/ |
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| 20:27.07 | GAN8001 | I almost killed myself trying to post from an iPhone yesterday |
| 20:27.17 | GAN8001 | People who say it's faster than MicroB don't have a clue. |
| 20:27.26 | Navi | entranced by the "oooohhhh shiny"? |
| 20:27.58 | GAN8001 | milhouse, did you see?: https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/100Days https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/2010_Agenda |
| 20:28.06 | nn800n | GAN8001 - i don't see it |
| 20:28.32 | milhouse | GAN - reading the latest post now... yeah, he does seem pretty disconnected... he's banging on about open source and how bad closed source development is... wtf, doesn't he realise his own devices contain too much closed source code and for no good reason? :( |
| 20:29.01 | milhouse | just catching up :) |
| 20:29.11 | GAN8001 | Be nice if we could swap him out with Quim. <_< |
| 20:29.29 | GAN8001 | nn800n, open up Preferences, go to the Keys tab. |
| 20:29.36 | nn800n | yeah i'm there |
| 20:29.43 | GAN8001 | Tap the "Action for key" field |
| 20:29.46 | GAN8001 | press the key you want |
| 20:29.49 | GAN8001 | change the action |
| 20:30.03 | milhouse | i think Ari is the detached big picture guy, whereas Quim is more in touch - I suppose you need both |
| 20:30.06 | nn800n | oh sweetness |
| 20:30.13 | nn800n | thanks |
| 20:30.25 | GAN8001 | I just wish Ari weren't so detached. :\ |
| 20:30.32 | GAN8001 | From reality, that is. |
| 20:30.39 | rafl | GAN8001: http://mariusv.wordpress.com/2008/05/07/a-pleasant-surprise/ says do flash-and-reboot afterwards. is that something i want to do? |
| 20:30.55 | milhouse | Gan: I wonder if he is as detached as he makes out... pretty remarkable if he is |
| 20:31.03 | GAN8001 | initfs will keep it from doing it, rafl. |
| 20:31.07 | GAN8001 | You on N800 or N810? |
| 20:31.17 | rafl | 810 |
| 20:31.26 | GAN8001 | rafl, then don't bother. |
| 20:31.37 | GAN8001 | Kernel is mostly just IPv6 and some WiMAX stuff |
| 20:32.12 | rafl | in fact ipv6 would be pretty cool |
| 20:32.19 | GAN8001 | milhouse, CLOSED is for Nokia QA to set after the product with the fix is shipped. |
| 20:32.43 | GAN8001 | rafl, did you substitute rx34 for rx44? |
| 20:32.56 | milhouse | GAN: reading the comments to the "ubuntu" post... is daniels no longer at nokia? |
| 20:33.07 | GAN8001 | Good question |
| 20:33.12 | GAN8001 | I was looking at his site |
| 20:33.16 | GAN8001 | Seems like it, but dunno. |
| 20:33.22 | GAN8001 | Gutsy comment. |
| 20:33.51 | milhouse | Can't imagine he'd be saying that if he were still there - he always struck me as someone who wouldn't publicly criticise the product or colleagues... |
| 20:33.53 | rafl | GAN8001: yo |
| 20:33.55 | crashanddie | w00t |
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| 20:34.11 | crashanddie | Managed to get my algorithm working for finding prime numbers between 2 and 100M |
| 20:34.17 | milhouse | GAN: re CLOSED, thanks. |
| 20:34.36 | milhouse | Hopefully they'll follow up and close the bugs rather than leave them open |
| 20:34.53 | GAN8001 | rafl, N810 owners have reported non-bootable tablets with the Diablo kernel (requiring reflashing the kernel) |
| 20:35.06 | GAN8001 | You could try it, not hard to recover from, but there's not much need |
| 20:35.40 | GAN8001 | Just delete the initfs image and it'll only flash the kernel. |
| 20:35.40 | GAN8001 | milhouse, they've been pretty good at closing the resolved bugs in the past |
| 20:35.54 | GAN8001 | But getting the UNCONFIRMED/NEW/ASSIGNED bugs RESOLVED is a little harder. |
| 20:36.10 | milhouse | Now that Andre seems to be on the case I hope the situation will improve |
| 20:36.23 | milhouse | He's doing a pretty good job so far |
| 20:36.28 | GAN8001 | I hit about 2-dozen that were floating around from all the way back to 2006 and andre's been hitting a lot more. |
| 20:36.37 | cpt_nemo | Hi. |
| 20:36.37 | cpt_nemo | I have a problem with my N810. When it is turned on it starts booting and shows the white screen with NOKIA. The blue progress bar grows from the left all the way to the right. Then nothing happens for a while, the display is garbled for a moment and the device reboots. |
| 20:36.44 | cpt_nemo | Does anyone know what is wrong here? The device worked fine this morning and I hadn't during the day. What can I do to get it working again? |
| 20:36.44 | GAN8001 | Yeah, andre___ and karsten are my new heros. :D |
| 20:37.00 | milhouse | I'll go through all my bugs (comment or reporter) and review them once Diablo drops and bump them if there's no change, or close 'em |
| 20:37.05 | GAN8001 | cpt_nemo, watchdog is killing it. |
| 20:37.09 | GAN8001 | Reflash will fix it. |
| 20:37.11 | milhouse | sorry, ask ask for them to be closed by Nokia QA :) |
| 20:37.13 | cpt_nemo | hadn't _used_ it I meant. |
| 20:37.23 | cpt_nemo | GAN8001: I suspected something like that. |
| 20:37.32 | Cptnodegard | ffs nickalert -___- |
| 20:37.54 | GAN8001 | Haha, Cptnodegard Cptnodegard Cptnodegard. :P |
| 20:37.58 | GAN8001 | You just can't win, can you? :D |
| 20:38.34 | GAN8001 | milhouse, I was chatting with Karsten/guenther about the finally getting the guided submission form in place. |
| 20:38.48 | cpt_nemo | How well does it charge the battery while it is stuck in this reboot loop? |
| 20:38.57 | GAN8001 | Maybe the stupid "REPRODUCIBILITY: (always/sometimes/once) always" will finally go away. |
| 20:39.13 | rafl | GAN8001: you're saying that n810 owners have had problems with the diablo kernel but you also say that i should delete the initfs. that'd mean that i'd be running the diablo kernel with the chinook initfs. |
| 20:39.29 | rafl | GAN8001: i can't make sense out of that. |
| 20:39.29 | jukey | cpt_nemo: is there enough energy left in the batteries? |
| 20:39.31 | milhouse | heh yeah... and does it still add the browser details? |
| 20:39.33 | GAN8001 | rafl, that's what I'm doing. |
| 20:39.43 | cpt_nemo | I'm asking because the battery is empty and the manuals say to only reflash once the battery is fully charged. |
| 20:39.46 | GAN8001 | Diablo really isn't a large change over Chinook. |
| 20:39.49 | milhouse | what's the point of adding my desktop browser details when i'm posting about a bug in my tablet?? |
| 20:39.51 | cpt_nemo | jukey: How much is "enough"? |
| 20:39.56 | rafl | GAN8001: so is rm /usr/share/osso/images/initfs.jffs2 what i should do before doing flash-and-reboot? |
| 20:39.58 | GAN8001 | milhouse, who knows. |
| 20:40.05 | GAN8001 | Right, rafl. |
| 20:40.22 | rafl | GAN8001: so the n810 users have had problems with the initfs, not the kernel? |
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| 20:40.57 | GAN8001 | Nobody can flash the initfs that I know of, rafl. |
| 20:41.03 | GAN8001 | It's too big. |
| 20:41.15 | GAN8001 | N810 users seem to have trouble with the kernel |
| 20:41.18 | rafl | ok then. i'll delete it and flash the kernel. right? |
| 20:41.19 | GAN8001 | N800 users don't. |
| 20:41.23 | GAN8001 | Right. |
| 20:41.30 | rafl | ok. thanks! |
| 20:41.31 | GAN8001 | It wont let you flash either with the initfs there. |
| 20:41.40 | jukey | cpt_nemo: not sure but yesterday i had the same problem and after using the power adapter there where no problems |
| 20:41.43 | GAN8001 | So you gotta delete it to get flash-and-reboot to do it's thing. |
| 20:42.11 | cpt_nemo | jukey: So you reflashed while the power adapter was connected? |
| 20:42.34 | milhouse | i must say the Android demos are looking pretty slick |
| 20:43.56 | jukey | cpt_nemo: no |
| 20:44.03 | rafl | GAN8001: ok, i think i fucked it up. |
| 20:44.19 | Navi | android demos look _okay_ |
| 20:44.26 | rafl | GAN8001: at least it seems to reboot in a loop |
| 20:44.50 | Navi | more flair than functionality |
| 20:44.53 | GAN8001 | Flash the kernel from the Chinook image. |
| 20:45.03 | jukey | cpt_nemo: i thougth the software is broken but it only was not enough power to boot the device, it sounds like your decription |
| 20:45.19 | milhouse | well, they're looking better in beta than maemo after 3 releases let's put it that way - touchscreen looks to be quite sensitive, web page scrolling looks responsive, generally quite well integrated... |
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| 20:45.29 | GAN8001 | rafl ./flasher-3.0 -F <51-3 FIASCO image> --flash-only=kernel -R |
| 20:45.53 | cpt_nemo | jukey: Ah, but the same happens on mine when it is connected to the power adapter. |
| 20:45.56 | GAN8001 | milhouse, you wouldn't happen to have a crazy-stupid memory for dates and or version numbers relating to old releases of ITOS, would you? |
| 20:45.59 | milhouse | GAN: though obviously I'd never dream of trying to compare Maemo with a phone... :) |
| 20:46.08 | rafl | GAN8001: FIASCO image? |
| 20:46.22 | milhouse | GAN: Probably - I have them all and typically downloaded on the day of release... which version? |
| 20:46.28 | GAN8001 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GeneralAntilles/Sandbox |
| 20:46.33 | GAN8001 | That needs filing out. |
| 20:46.39 | GAN8001 | Particularly OS2005 |
| 20:47.02 | GAN8001 | rafl, the .bin from tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php |
| 20:47.11 | rafl | GAN8001: Desktop/RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin? |
| 20:47.27 | GAN8001 | Yes, that, rafl. |
| 20:47.33 | Cymor | is back (gone 16:36:17) |
| 20:47.40 | jukey | cpt_nemo: okay, then i don't had an other idea than to reflash the tablet but sombody with more experience maybe would hav a better ides |
| 20:47.42 | jukey | idea |
| 20:47.55 | cpt_nemo | jukey: Thanks. |
| 20:48.11 | RST38h | Fear-mongering hacks at The Daily Mail have been caught mistaking footage from a popular video game series as proof of al-Qaeda's "terrifying vision" for a nuclear attack on Washington. |
| 20:48.19 | milhouse | 2.2005.45 is missing - I appear to have downloaded that on 21 Nov 2005 |
| 20:48.40 | GAN8001 | Build number? |
| 20:48.48 | milhouse | SU-18_2.2005.45_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 20:49.01 | GAN8001 | Call it -1. ;) |
| 20:49.42 | milhouse | 3.2005.51-13 I downloaded on 31 Dec 2005 at 20:44 (I obviously didn't celebrate New Years Eve that year...!) |
| 20:49.49 | sjgadsby | Is there a way of browsing profiles on maemo.org? |
| 20:49.58 | rafl | GAN8001: hrm. now it displays the nokia logo for a while and shuts down. |
| 20:50.21 | milhouse | rafl: if you have any memory cards installed, remove them before booting (sometimes helps) |
| 20:50.38 | rafl | i just have the internal card installed right now |
| 20:50.57 | milhouse | 5.2006.13-7 I have a download date of 23 Apr 2006 - is that right? |
| 20:51.19 | milhouse | the wiki says Feb 2006 |
| 20:51.31 | GAN8001 | sjgadsby, I always go http://maemo.org/profile/view/qgil.html and just change the url. |
| 20:51.41 | GAN8001 | milhouse, most of the dates are complete fabrications. ;) |
| 20:51.56 | sjgadsby | Yeah, that's what I've resorted to as well, GAN8001. |
| 20:51.59 | milhouse | :) |
| 20:52.21 | GAN8001 | sjgadsby, bug X-Fade about it when he gets back from LinuxTag |
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| 20:52.33 | GAN8001 | He'll either have a hot profile page for you to use or put it on his TODO |
| 20:52.44 | sjgadsby | Okay, thanks. |
| 20:52.53 | nikosapi | does it make sense that the latest OS 2008 doesn't come with python? |
| 20:53.00 | GAN8001 | nikosapi, yes. |
| 20:53.16 | nikosapi | oh |
| 20:53.50 | nikosapi | iirc the original firmware had python, could that be? |
| 20:54.37 | GAN8001 | No, nikosapi. |
| 20:54.47 | GAN8001 | Something you installed pulled it in. |
| 20:55.09 | Navi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:55.15 | nikosapi | ah cool |
| 20:55.30 | nikosapi | thanks |
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| 21:03.49 | GAN8001 | milhouse, I found this one particularly hilarious: http://tabletblog.com/2008/05/3rd-anniversary-inside-nokia-interview.html |
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| 21:04.00 | milhouse | GAN: http://pastebin.ca/1034410 |
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| 21:04.31 | GAN8001 | Oh, nice. |
| 21:04.33 | GAN8001 | Thanks! |
| 21:04.33 | milhouse | Can't say it's 100% accurate - one I know I downloaded about 2-3 weeks after release, think it was one of the N800/OS2008 releases |
| 21:04.48 | GAN8001 | Better than nothing. |
| 21:04.56 | GAN8001 | My citation will read: "milhouse sez" |
| 21:04.59 | milhouse | :) |
| 21:07.47 | milhouse | blimey, that bloke with thoughtfix doesn't look like the picture on Ari's blog!! |
| 21:07.51 | milhouse | it's an imposter! |
| 21:07.55 | GAN8001 | Hehe |
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| 21:09.19 | GAN8001 | Now I just need the notes filed in. |
| 21:09.27 | GAN8001 | I guess I'll just put it up for now, though |
| 21:09.31 | GAN8001 | Since those aren't critical. |
| 21:11.45 | milhouse | it's funny how Ari talks about things improving, I've actually stopped using my tablets due to problems with microb - i think the 770 was more reliable. i get too self concious using my N810 now on a crowded train, with people looking over my shoulder while I prod a link up to 10 times before the device responds... |
| 21:12.30 | milhouse | i really don't give a rats arse about new features and technology anymore - just fix the god damned basic functionality! :) |
| 21:12.45 | milhouse | (then you can add the new features) |
| 21:13.13 | GAN8001 | Yeah, I know what you mean (though I don't have too much trouble with MicroB), |
| 21:13.25 | milhouse | i browse on my shitty sony ericsson phone now - why? because the touchscreen and browser works when i click on a link... |
| 21:14.00 | GAN8001 | A large amount of the nonsense can be blamed on the touchscreen hardware. :\ |
| 21:14.06 | GAN8001 | I hope they use a real panel for the next tablet. |
| 21:14.18 | milhouse | GAN: the touchscreen on my device is really bad - the touchscreen has been a perenial problem on the N8x0 range |
| 21:14.37 | GAN8001 | My two N800s aren't bad. |
| 21:14.45 | GAN8001 | I've seen enough people with troubles, though. . . . |
| 21:14.59 | milhouse | GAN: Mine are OK, but when it comes to hitting a small link with my finger - no chance |
| 21:15.11 | milhouse | even using the stylus is tricky |
| 21:15.22 | MangoFusion_ | not as bad as, say, running scummvm on an iphone. now that was bad |
| 21:15.24 | milhouse | and I know I'm hitting it, the browser just doesn't respond... |
| 21:15.40 | GAN8001 | I hate fingering a link and having the pointer roll off as I lift my finger. |
| 21:15.49 | milhouse | "Mine are OK" - but could (should) be better |
| 21:16.14 | GAN8001 | It would do the platform a would of good to have a device with a decent touch panel |
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| 21:16.25 | milhouse | GAN: that's why i was impressed by the Android demo, the UI and page scrolling looks pretty good. I wish it were as good on the N8x0's |
| 21:16.25 | GAN8001 | s/would/world |
| 21:16.54 | milhouse | Nokia can't stuff up the hardware with the next device - the video hardware AND touchscreen is bolloxed on the N8x0 |
| 21:17.22 | milhouse | get both of those right and they're in with a chance of developing a nice UI |
| 21:17.37 | GAN8001 | OK, it's up, thanks milhouse. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Tablet_OS#Release_Table |
| 21:17.38 | MangoFusion_ | ...but it runs linux. that pretty much negates the dodgy hardware, right? ;) |
| 21:17.53 | GAN8001 | If only, MangoFusion_. |
| 21:18.08 | texel | MangoFusion_: So does Android... =o) |
| 21:18.14 | milhouse | GAN: Cool - OS 2007 looking much better :) |
| 21:18.22 | MangoFusion_ | now you've got me there. oh well |
| 21:18.25 | MangoFusion_ | we're all doomed |
| 21:18.28 | MangoFusion_ | :P |
| 21:18.52 | jeroin | i like fingering |
| 21:19.31 | qwerty12_N800 | ? |
| 21:19.44 | GAN8001 | Who doesn't, jeroin. :P |
| 21:20.48 | jeroin | you said you hated :p |
| 21:21.15 | RST38h | nothing negates dodgy hardware |
| 21:21.31 | texel | RST38h: hear, hear! |
| 21:21.31 | GAN8001 | never uses the stylus. |
| 21:21.50 | GAN8001 | jeroin, I hate the touchscreen moving the point as I lift my finger off it. ;) |
| 21:21.52 | RST38h | GAN <--- must have Dracula-sized nails |
| 21:22.02 | qwerty12_N800 | always uses the stylus |
| 21:22.09 | GAN8001 | RST38h, don't forget to sign your comments. (~~~~) |
| 21:22.10 | jeroin | a friend of me once said, spinning vinyl is like fingering pussy |
| 21:22.13 | texel | toggles |
| 21:22.18 | qwerty12_N800 | lol |
| 21:22.21 | RST38h | tried fingers, failed, uses stylus now |
| 21:22.37 | texel | Spinning vinyl? O.o |
| 21:22.44 | RST38h | GAN: 1:21am + friday + I am lazy. |
| 21:22.56 | GAN8001 | S'ok, I'll sign it manually. :P |
| 21:23.10 | RST38h | Actually, I started on that installer center UI |
| 21:23.18 | texel | On second thought, don't answer that question. |
| 21:23.19 | RST38h | Did not finish - too much other work unfortunately |
| 21:23.20 | texel | I don't want to know. |
| 21:23.23 | GAN8001 | should get a signbot together for maemowiki |
| 21:23.34 | RST38h | GAN: http://fms.komkon.org/Maemo/ |
| 21:23.35 | jeroin | i guess it depends on how big your fingers are :) |
| 21:23.37 | RST38h | Take a look |
| 21:23.41 | GAN8001 | texel, dj scratching. |
| 21:23.46 | texel | Ah. |
| 21:23.51 | jeroin | iirc the older you become the thicker they get |
| 21:24.13 | GAN8001 | Looking good, but rob some of the maemo icons. |
| 21:24.18 | jeroin | beatmatching, scratching.. |
| 21:24.27 | RST38h | GAN: Icons are not important |
| 21:24.40 | RST38h | The more important thing is that there is still no code behind this page |
| 21:24.48 | jeroin | the one thing i've been quite unsuccessful with, is microb scrolling using the scrollbars + finger (or even with stylus) |
| 21:25.05 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, Nice but it would be nice if riight os version was chosen on user agent :) |
| 21:25.27 | GAN8001 | jeroin, it's much better in the svn. |
| 21:25.27 | jeroin | whoever decided to make those scrollbars thin instead of as thick as the top statusbar and other normal icons deserves to be slapped :) |
| 21:26.10 | jeroin | great i can wait then=] |
| 21:26.22 | GAN8001 | jeroin, you don't have to. |
| 21:26.43 | GAN8001 | jeroin, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=178677 |
| 21:26.49 | RST38h | qwerty: the code is not there |
| 21:26.57 | RST38h | qwerty: But you are welcome to write it =) |
| 21:27.07 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe, not me :p :) |
| 21:27.45 | GAN8001 | planet still down |
| 21:27.54 | GAN8001 | Those bastards are probably all smashed. . . . |
| 21:28.13 | qwerty12_N800 | heh |
| 21:28.32 | qwerty12_N800 | GAN8001, Gonna smash them? |
| 21:28.51 | jeroin | hmm.. |
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| 21:29.12 | jeroin | This one's the tricky one. It conflicts with libgtkmozembed and to replace it, you'll have to remove components of the browser that you can't reinstall from repos (I couldn't find them, at least). |
| 21:29.17 | GAN8001 | Nah, plane tickets to Germany are expensive, and I'm not sure how they'd feel about me bringing my Louisville as carry-on. |
| 21:29.29 | milhouse | Planet ok here |
| 21:29.31 | GAN8001 | jeroin, it's not hard. |
| 21:29.44 | GAN8001 | This one here, milhouse? http://planet.maemo.org/ |
| 21:30.02 | qwerty12_N800 | Earth is working. atm... |
| 21:30.03 | jeroin | there is some way to make a .deb out of an installed deb package on system |
| 21:30.11 | milhouse | i stand corrected - yep that's down :) I was looking at this one http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/ |
| 21:30.25 | GAN8001 | So I figured. :P |
| 21:30.49 | milhouse | how many planets do we need??? |
| 21:30.54 | GAN8001 | itT is so ridiculously bloated. |
| 21:31.05 | GAN8001 | well, downloads.maemo.org and maemo.org/downloads |
| 21:31.11 | GAN8001 | so . . . as many as possible? |
| 21:31.29 | milhouse | maybe Henri can sort it out - or is it Niels? |
| 21:31.45 | milhouse | whoever is responsible for infra should do some pruning... :) |
| 21:31.53 | GAN8001 | Probably Niels these days. |
| 21:31.55 | RST38h | A Taiwan man grieving over the death of his girlfriend climbed inside a morgue freezer to be with her and was only pulled out alive half an hour later. |
| 21:32.08 | qwerty12_N800 | o.0 |
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| 21:32.47 | milhouse | This was rather special: "A woman has been arrested in Japan for sneaking into a man's house and living in his wardrobe without him knowing." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7426950.stm |
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| 21:33.29 | milhouse | She can live in my wardrobe as long as she does the ironing and hoovering |
| 21:33.40 | balrog-kun | hey, what's an easy way to take pictures with the N810 camera and save to files? (yes i know the quality will not be worth it) |
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| 21:34.12 | RST38h | milhouse: But it wasn't a freezer! |
| 21:34.23 | RST38h | And the old fart was alive! |
| 21:34.23 | GAN8001 | balrog-kun, with one of the camera applications? |
| 21:34.30 | GAN8001 | Camera, gps-camera, etc. |
| 21:34.45 | milhouse | Maybe he should have waited until they cremated her... |
| 21:34.56 | RST38h | umgh |
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| 21:35.14 | RST38h | at this optimistic suggestion, I am leaving you and going to bed. |
| 21:35.17 | balrog-kun | GAN8001: is there one that is supposed to be on my device already? |
| 21:35.26 | GAN8001 | No, balrog-kun. |
| 21:35.28 | milhouse | night night :) |
| 21:35.31 | qwerty12_N800 | camera-test... |
| 21:35.35 | GAN8001 | But there should be a bunch in Extras. |
| 21:35.38 | GAN8001 | Later, RST38h. |
| 21:35.40 | qwerty12_N800 | night RST38h |
| 21:35.45 | jeroin | anyone here using vpn on the n8x0? |
| 21:35.47 | balrog-kun | GAN8001: okays, i'll get one of these, thanks |
| 21:35.55 | balrog-kun | and check out camera-test too |
| 21:36.27 | qwerty12_N800 | recommends getting a camera app that uses dbus |
| 21:37.24 | qwerty12_N800 | actually for n810, it makes no difference about dbus |
| 21:37.44 | GAN8001 | I so need one of these: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jadon/2535894759/in/pool-beagleboard |
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| 21:38.50 | drwx | hi, I want to do a program that record the signal from the sound card |
| 21:39.33 | jeroin | if i understand correctly, vpnc won't work when the other side runs openvpn/freeswan/isakmpd? |
| 21:39.50 | drwx | on my computer I just did : |
| 21:39.52 | drwx | if ((fd_audio = open ("/dev/audio", O_WRONLY)) < 0) { |
| 21:40.08 | drwx | then read (fd_file, buf, sizeof(buf)) |
| 21:40.08 | qwerty12_N800 | jeroin, no afaik |
| 21:40.21 | qwerty12_N800 | vpnc's for cisco stuff |
| 21:40.22 | drwx | but it dont work on my N810 |
| 21:40.28 | drwx | can you helpme |
| 21:40.46 | balrog-kun | drwx: O_WRONLY? |
| 21:41.05 | balrog-kun | that isn't supposed to let you read() from it |
| 21:41.48 | jeroin | right so openvpn is probably necessary |
| 21:41.48 | drwx | the problem is that /dev/audio does not exist on maemo |
| 21:41.55 | GAN8001 | milhouse, you see the LinuxTag stuff? |
| 21:42.19 | drwx | sorry it's O_RDONLY |
| 21:42.33 | drwx | but it dont work on N810 |
| 21:42.51 | milhouse | GAN: Not yet.... still playing catchup |
| 21:43.10 | jeroin | or perhaps ssh -w that seems also interesting |
| 21:43.14 | drwx | there is no /de/audio or /dev/dsp on N810 how can I do? |
| 21:43.49 | GAN8001 | Aside from Quim's presentation, this was the other nice bit: https://maemo.org/forrest-images/pdf/maemo-policy.pdf |
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| 21:45.04 | qwerty12_N800 | ta for that, should be useful when packaging |
| 21:45.25 | qwerty12_N800 | should upload some of my stuff to extras |
| 21:47.41 | milhouse | i like section 2.2... maybe packages with non-standard sections should not be listed |
| 21:47.47 | milhouse | in application manager |
| 21:48.00 | milhouse | that would stop people bastardising the sections |
| 21:48.01 | jeroin | is there a way to let microb remember passwords? |
| 21:48.14 | GAN8001 | The thread on -developers about sections a month or two ago cracked me up. |
| 21:48.31 | GAN8001 | "U WILLLL NOT TOUCH MAH PACKAGES!!!!!" |
| 21:48.39 | milhouse | :) |
| 21:48.50 | GAN8001 | Then put them in the right goddam section. |
| 21:48.53 | milhouse | what's the latest on packages and peer reviews etc... any progress>? |
| 21:49.04 | GAN8001 | X-Fade is doing some amazing work |
| 21:49.09 | GAN8001 | You saw the auto-builder? |
| 21:49.15 | GAN8001 | I think we're getting closer |
| 21:49.17 | milhouse | I haven't seen it, no |
| 21:49.18 | GAN8001 | but not there yet. |
| 21:49.25 | GAN8001 | OK, there's an auto-builder. |
| 21:49.36 | GAN8001 | (also mentioned in -developers) |
| 21:49.38 | milhouse | that's good to hear that progress is being made |
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| 21:50.20 | GAN8001 | milhouse, my feeling is that things are finally starting to look up. :) |
| 21:50.29 | milhouse | i'm getting that impression too :) |
| 21:50.44 | milhouse | the increased bugzilla activity, auto-builders - maybe it's not too late :) |
| 21:50.55 | GAN8001 | With X-Fade on the website/Extras, dneary on docs and the wiki (mediawiki is a godsend) and andre and karsten on bugzilla. . . . |
| 21:51.17 | GAN8001 | Communication-wise things are looking up, too |
| 21:51.25 | GAN8001 | You heard about the #maemo-meeting? |
| 21:51.29 | milhouse | yeah - i see Quim has just filed another blog post |
| 21:51.39 | milhouse | meeting - nooo... do tell! :) |
| 21:51.45 | GAN8001 | We're scheduling monthly IRC discussions with Quim |
| 21:51.53 | Jaffa | ev'ning |
| 21:51.59 | GAN8001 | http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/maemo-meeting-2008-05-13.html |
| 21:52.01 | GAN8001 | Hey, Jaffa |
| 21:52.02 | milhouse | ah yes, I saw the last log (about 3 days after it happened) - very good |
| 21:52.09 | milhouse | is there a regular date? |
| 21:52.14 | GAN8001 | Not yet |
| 21:52.28 | GAN8001 | I imagine things will get pounded out after LinuxTag is entirely wrapped up. |
| 21:52.37 | Jaffa | is slightly concerned that the 2010 agenda's focus is too narrow from qgil's comment on the talk page |
| 21:52.42 | GAN8001 | I'm going to poke X-Fade about it when he gets back. |
| 21:53.11 | GAN8001 | Jaffa, I pulled the software requests off into a separate article. |
| 21:53.23 | GAN8001 | Dinner, bbiab |
| 21:53.27 | Jaffa | Oh, and from p.m.o, do we know what Simon (nomis? lardman?) said at LinuxTag about suggestions? |
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| 21:53.43 | Jaffa | GAN8001: yeah, I saw. Good job. |
| 21:54.29 | milhouse | Quim's going to upload his LinuxTag speech - I wonder what he sounds like? :-) |
| 21:55.09 | Jaffa | goes to get ready for bed. Mmmm, hotel bathrooms with missus & Jaffa Jr. asleep in the main room. |
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| 21:55.26 | qwerty12_N800 | Like any Spanish person does after living in Finland? :p |
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| 21:55.48 | milhouse | My imagination is not that vivid! |
| 21:56.07 | milhouse | I'm expecting "odd" :) |
| 21:58.10 | milhouse | Jaffa Jr? So you're not seedless then... ;) |
| 22:01.32 | GAN8001 | Haha |
| 22:01.38 | GAN8001 | Nothing yet, Jaffa. |
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| 22:01.55 | GAN8001 | I think they'll all getting smashed tonight. |
| 22:02.23 | GAN8001 | milhouse, http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2008-May/033286.html |
| 22:02.34 | qwerty12_N800 | Or following signpost to brothel... :p |
| 22:03.11 | milhouse | GAN: Thanks |
| 22:03.16 | Jaffa | milhouse: definitely not :) |
| 22:03.32 | GAN8001 | While I'm throwing things at you, this too: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3161 |
| 22:03.48 | Jaffa | anyway, g'night: cousin's wedding tomorrow; but should be around in the morning |
| 22:03.56 | GAN8001 | Have fun. :) |
| 22:03.57 | qwerty12_N800 | night |
| 22:04.07 | milhouse | night jaffa |
| 22:05.17 | GAN8001 | There've been some good discussions in the past month or two on maemo-developers, milhouse, so I'd be sure to poke through the archives. |
| 22:05.41 | milhouse | i've got lots of catching up to do on maemo-developers |
| 22:05.55 | GAN8001 | Not so much on -users, though. ;) |
| 22:06.06 | milhouse | checks thunderbird... 309 undread messages in dev, 237 in users :) |
| 22:06.14 | milhouse | s/undread/unread/ |
| 22:06.35 | GAN8001 | dreaded unread |
| 22:06.58 | milhouse | indeed "mark thread as read" will come in handy :) |
| 22:07.23 | GAN8001 | Ha . . . can't install Rhapsody on Diablo because no osso-ic. |
| 22:07.46 | GAN8001 | These 3rd-party non-free apps pick weird dependencies. |
| 22:08.35 | qwerty12_N800 | GAN8001, If you really want it, i'll mod it tomorrow |
| 22:08.46 | GAN8001 | Nah, not worried about it. |
| 22:09.12 | qwerty12_N800 | has never used rhapsody. uk... :/ |
| 22:09.14 | GAN8001 | I've just had a Jack Johnson song stuck in my head for the past 2 hours and was thinking how nice it'd be to pull it up on the tablet and flush it. :D |
| 22:10.00 | qwerty12_N800 | youtube it :) |
| 22:10.16 | qwerty12_N800 | flash performance is nice on diablo with youtube |
| 22:10.28 | GAN8001 | I'll just use the web client. |
| 22:11.16 | rafl | GAN8001: without flashing the kernel or the initfs it seems to work |
| 22:11.31 | GAN8001 | Yeah, like I said, there's not much new in either |
| 22:12.10 | qwerty12_N800 | most of the new stuff in diablo initfs is only applicable to 810w |
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| 22:13.01 | qwerty12_N800 | although it does seem to have a fix for that /dev/urandom bug posted on bugzilla (but 810w only) |
| 22:13.33 | qwerty12_N800 | although with some linuxrc changes, shouldn't be much work for to run it on n800 |
| 22:14.11 | GAN8001 | I should get avahi setup on mine. . . . |
| 22:14.48 | qwerty12_N800 | set it up only to realise i have no macs :/ |
| 22:15.11 | qwerty12_N800 | except for an old osx86 dvd i have... |
| 22:16.58 | GAN8001 | Hehe |
| 22:17.05 | GAN8001 | I have lots and lots and lots. :P |
| 22:17.24 | rafl | ok. now where to get agps-ui for armel? |
| 22:17.37 | GAN8001 | Should be in Extras. . . . |
| 22:17.38 | GAN8001 | Or somewhere |
| 22:17.43 | qwerty12_N800 | I should try one, using a macbook with only 1 mouse button put me off |
| 22:17.46 | GAN8001 | It's right in my application manager. |
| 22:17.55 | qwerty12_N800 | should be in certified |
| 22:18.02 | GAN8001 | qwerty12_N800, two fingers + click = right click |
| 22:18.14 | milhouse | so what's with wiki.maemo.org - has midgard been given the heave-ho? |
| 22:18.22 | qwerty12_N800 | GAN8001, ah |
| 22:18.36 | GAN8001 | milhouse, yes |
| 22:18.36 | qwerty12_N800 | milhouse, hopefully. midgard sucks |
| 22:18.46 | GAN8001 | dneary and Navi are working on the wikireorg |
| 22:18.48 | milhouse | HURRAH!!!! HOOO-FECKING-RAHHHH!!!! :) |
| 22:18.54 | GAN8001 | Going through all the old pages |
| 22:19.14 | GAN8001 | Once they get everything sorted, it'll get moved over |
| 22:19.22 | milhouse | oh joy - i may even try editing some pages in future... i couldn't face doing it in midgard |
| 22:19.25 | GAN8001 | I'm waiting on that to get down to the real work on mediawiki |
| 22:19.35 | GAN8001 | milhouse, mediawiki is a thing of beauty |
| 22:19.48 | GAN8001 | Look at how much better it is already: https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/100Days |
| 22:19.57 | milhouse | agreed... whereas midgard well, let's just say it wasn't |
| 22:19.57 | qwerty12_N800 | why was midgard chosen in the 1st place? |
| 22:20.00 | GAN8001 | https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/Main_Page |
| 22:20.26 | milhouse | qwerty: to be fair, i think we were to blame for midgard - quim asked for feedback, didn't get much |
| 22:20.36 | GAN8001 | Hehe |
| 22:20.37 | qwerty12_N800 | heh |
| 22:20.44 | milhouse | so they went with it |
| 22:20.54 | GAN8001 | No matter, the future's bright. :D |
| 22:21.16 | qwerty12_N800 | dneary & X-Fade are proving to be real assets |
| 22:21.24 | milhouse | yep, andre/guenther, auto-builder and now mediawiki |
| 22:21.43 | GAN8001 | All four of them are major badasses. |
| 22:22.29 | qwerty12_N800 | would be interested in editing software pages on the new wiki when it's created |
| 22:22.33 | GAN8001 | and as they and Quim are always at pains to point out, they're here for the community. |
| 22:22.44 | qwerty12_N800 | just got to polish up my grammar |
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| 22:23.30 | GAN8001 | dneary was saying something about software on the maemo wiki. . . . |
| 22:23.36 | GAN8001 | I meant to ask him for clarification about it. |
| 22:23.42 | GAN8001 | puts it on the list. |
| 22:26.59 | GAN8001 | "I wonder though if all we are happy and on the same page about a basic question: what is and what should be the target audience of maemo.org? Who makes this community?" |
| 22:27.05 | GAN8001 | No, we're probably not. |
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| 22:30.10 | jeroin | wow, hamachi seems to be quite an easy way to set up a vpn |
| 22:36.33 | jeroin | great to evade vodafone who block voip=] |
| 22:39.12 | gnuSnob | jeroin: what are you using for a vpn client? |
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| 22:51.12 | jeroin | nothing yet, i'm configuring hamachi tho |
| 23:01.05 | Cymor | is away: afk |
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